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#rockbox log for 2006-08-21

00:00:07 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com)
00:00:59barrywardellObviously, I'll do it in a way that won't affect other builds
00:01:18BagderI think you can
00:01:27Bagderthen others can help out moving it
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00:03:05*Bagder prepares a suggestion for the dev list to spur up some debate:
00:03:19Bagderremoval of support for Archos Player
00:03:37*Paul_The_Nerd gasps
00:03:38[HO]vo|t*gasp*
00:03:56[HO]vo|tyou win with the /emote
00:04:34Paul_The_NerdYou could fork it, and if something especially relevant comes along for it, toss it over, but otherwise just support in regarding bugfixes.
00:04:49Bagderyes, we'd do a branch for those who cares
00:04:57Bagderand cut it out from the head branch
00:05:08[HO]vo|twell how you said it, Paul, sounds like what it's kinda like now
00:05:49Paul_The_NerdWell, the way it is now, it gets all new features, and some have to be weighed for binary size increase.
00:06:10Bagderthe player doesn't get many new features
00:06:14linuxstbI thought the FM recorder was the main problem target wrt size?
00:06:17[HO]vo|tso if you come out with something for the x5 you have to backward compatiblilize it to the player
00:06:22[HO]vo|t?
00:06:37Bagderlike what?
00:06:48[HO]vo|ti don't know, i was asking
00:06:58Bagderyou need to understand what the Archos Player is first
00:07:10Bagderwe're talking charcell LCD
00:07:15Bagderand awkward buttons
00:07:22Bagderwith hwcodec
00:07:44BagderI can't remember when we added any new feature for it
00:08:02linuxstbtagcache?
00:08:47Bagderbut tagcache is one of those features arguably not even sensible for those devices
00:08:59[HO]vo|thow do you think that?
00:09:10[HO]vo|twell, why, rather than how
00:09:14linuxstbIf it's stored on disk?
00:09:29Bagderdue to the slooooooooowness
00:10:14[HO]vo|tTest on my iAudio x5, from full charge playing 66 songs of 192kbps mp3 with 10 second caption backlight (so that's total 20 seconds of backlight for every songchange, 5.5 min song length avg). First day, no headphones plugged on volume -24, 13h 6m; Second day, stock headphones plugged on volume -6, 13h 26m.
00:10:59SoapI'd call that a wash.
00:11:08SoapThanks for testing, though!
00:11:17[HO]vo|tWash?
00:11:35Soapno winner - even - equal.
00:11:56piif this patch were to be commited i think it would work fot the player:
00:11:58pihttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5294
00:12:24amiconnBagder: Why do you wasnt to remove support for the player????
00:12:27[HO]vo|taha understood. the "first day" was only the second full power cycle it was through, so i bet i'm still breaking in the battery... if that's possible?
00:12:57amiconnI don't see any reason to remove it.
00:12:59Bagderamiconn: to simplify code for the rest, to give player owners better rockbox
00:13:07Soapsome people say so, but there are lots of "voodoo" beliefs about batteries, and I haven't seen any hard numbers.
00:13:20BagderI don't see any reason to keep it actually
00:13:35amiconnRemoving it from head means it won't get any new features
00:13:42Bagderof course
00:13:48[HO]vo|tSoap: well i'll do another one tonight as soon as it charges and maybe i'll show you some numbers.
00:13:48Paul_The_NerdSoap: There are hard numbers, but I don't believe for Lithiom Ion batteries like these.
00:13:56amiconnRockbox works on player, and it works well, and stable.
00:14:02Bagderbut can anyone name three people that use bleeding edge on Archos Player?
00:14:09amiconnThat can't be said about any of the new targets...
00:14:17Bagderyes
00:14:22Bagderbut it will continue working
00:14:28Bagdereven when we move it out
00:14:38amiconnIt also has no problems accomodating (not too demanding) new features
00:14:54amiconnThe binary is around 160KB right now
00:15:03Bagderit is a cumbersome target that alone adds lots of complexity
00:15:07amiconn??
00:15:10amiconnwhere?
00:15:24amiconnThe buttons are easier to work with than, say, ipod, or Ondio
00:15:51[HO]vo|tMmmm gave me a link earlier today to a patch he wanted me to try - but the page is down (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.scarratt/Rockbox/recordingscreenbuttacc.patch)
00:15:55*preglow thinks he supports this notion
00:15:56amiconnAnd there's always room for improvement
00:15:56Bagderplayer owners just don't want or need what we do these days
00:16:11Bagderheck, nobody knows if we break the player builds
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00:16:20amiconnI will always know
00:16:25amiconnI have a player, and use it
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00:16:48Bagderyou miss my point
00:16:50amiconnIt's actually a very convenient device for in-car use
00:16:50BagderYOU do yes
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00:16:55BagderYOU do a lot of stuff
00:17:18amiconnThere's still that request to support cyrillic
00:17:18BagderI don't think that is a reason enough
00:17:46amiconnI have ideas how that can be done, and even have the beginnings of replacement tables
00:18:16amiconnVery possible since the introduction of unicode
00:18:28Mikachucan't you just check the server logs how many people download the archos builds?
00:18:36preglowhave we got any idea how many users there are?
00:18:46preglowor any statistics on downloads for player, for example
00:19:03Bgerhey, speaking of cyrillic, what about adding cyr and greek to the default font ?
00:19:23Mikachuand japanese and chinese and arabic and...
00:19:27amiconnBg3r: I'd rather remove any support of non-ascii from the default
00:19:37Bgerheh
00:19:52BgerMikachu: 26 letters, not ~ 10^3 and up ..
00:19:59amiconnAll user screens should be adapted to work with the user font
00:20:34amiconnThe default should only be used for debug stuff and panic messages
00:20:57Bgerhm, u're right
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00:23:12Bgerbut then again ... we need a way to prevent switching to some language if the user font doesn't have glyphs for it ..
00:24:04amiconnpreglow, Bagder: The download stats for archos builds are probably not very representative. People tend to go for 'stable' builds, and since we didn't do a release for quite some time, there's little reason to download a new one
00:24:26Bagderand since we don't add anything new for the Player, there's no other reason either...
00:24:27amiconn...unless they're aware of the new features and want to try these
00:24:31preglowit would still be an interesting figure
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00:24:49[HO]vo|ti agree, back when i had a recorder v2 i would download a daily build maybe once a month
00:24:49amiconnBagder: Huh? There's loads of new stuff for all targets since 2.5...
00:24:56Paul_The_NerdWhy not include the Player up to the next release, and see how many downloads it gets there, before considering removing it from the head?
00:25:13Bagderamiconn: there's _some_ new stuff for the Player, yes, but ask any random player owner on the lists what they use...
00:25:56preglowstill, i'd love to see people's thoughts on the matter
00:26:08preglowso an ml message would be interesting
00:26:32Bagderyes, gonna post it tomorrow
00:26:41amiconnFurthermore, I don't see where the 'lots' of added complexity are
00:27:00amiconnThere's some more complexity because of the charcell lcd, but that's it
00:27:10Bagderits different enough to cause problems, more so than the average new target
00:27:33preglowand it's almost certainly alone among all our current and future targets in having a charcell dislpay
00:27:52Bgerwhat's the chance of getting a new target with charcell lcd ?
00:27:57BagderI think the reasons all taken together is what counts, not each individual one
00:28:01preglowpretty much zero
00:28:06amiconnI think the ipod lcd remotes are charcell
00:28:26amiconn...or at least are controlled like charcell, via the accessory protocol
00:28:30Bgeryeah, i'm mainly thinking about remotes ..
00:29:11preglowcharcell displays on daps should be outlawed
00:29:16amiconnwhy?
00:29:24Bagderbesides, amiconn is the only dev on this unit so removing support for it will let amiconn work on other targets more ;-)
00:29:33amiconnhaha
00:29:52amiconnRemoving one of my targets will most likely make me disappointed, and work less on everything rockbox
00:30:12Bagderit'll only be branched off
00:30:24Bagderor rather "it would"
00:30:27amiconnpreglow: Charcell displays are efficient information display devices imho
00:30:41preglowamiconn: how so any more than a bitmap one?
00:30:49pregloweverything a charcell does, bitmap displays can too
00:30:52amiconnYou need to move less data
00:31:00preglowyes, sure, but that's not really a major concern for me
00:31:16preglowthey're efficient in that way, but it's by no means the biggest resource hog for ordinary use
00:31:51amiconnThen why does scrolling through lists cause skipping on ipod, esp. video? ;)
00:32:10preglowdoes it still?
00:32:14amiconnyes, sure
00:32:15preglowi've only got a nano
00:32:26Soapskips bigtime when scolling.
00:32:27amiconnI've read multiple reports about that
00:32:35preglowa bit of a moot point anyway, if we were to update only as much information as a charcell contains, we wouldn't be skipping
00:32:43amiconnYes
00:32:47preglowbiggest charcell i 've got here is four lines
00:33:08preglowbut sure, they are efficient
00:33:22Soapand (not tested) larger fonts seem to make the skipping worse, which seems counterintuitive.
00:33:23amiconnBut if we would update just as much information as on a charcell display, you wouldn't be able to read anything
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00:34:22amiconnBig charcell (16charsx4 lines) is 64bytes. Now how many pixels are that on a 16bit colour bitmap display?
00:35:21preglowtons
00:35:22preglowbut anyway
00:35:25amiconn(that's another reason why I don't like colour lcds that much. The primary one is non-readability w/o backlight)
00:35:33preglowthe reason i don't like charcells is just good old lack of flexibility
00:35:41preglownot any resource issues
00:35:59preglowi like being able to code eq graph plots
00:36:08amiconnIt's debatable whether this kind of flexibility is good or bad
00:36:11linuxstbI have to say I can't see any problem with keeping support for the player - as people have said, almost no new developments work on it anyway, so it's no work to support...
00:36:17preglowamiconn: how can it be bad?
00:36:28preglowi mean, possibly, at all
00:36:51pregloware you saying swcodec is bad as well?
00:36:53Mikachuwhat is wrong with that patch on the tracker that makes the scrolling code update less lines?
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00:37:22Mikachuit has bitrotted so i couldn't try it
00:37:28linuxstbMikachu: Probably nothing - I think it's just been forgotten...
00:37:32amiconnThe flexibility of bitmap displays causes developers (including myself) to work on graphical gimmicks instead of core functionality
00:37:34mirakhem what kind of operation mmx and such bring ? Is emac comparable to that or really not ?
00:37:39BagderMikachu: diffenbach's ?
00:37:44Mikachui'm not sure whose
00:37:52linuxstbBagder: Yes, I think so.
00:38:11Mikachuyeah, it is
00:38:12Bagderwe gave him CVS access to let him work on his things
00:38:14Mikachu5591
00:38:30linuxstbIs he earHertz?
00:38:32Bagderso I would guess he ran out of time
00:38:49Mikachuit sounds like something worth picking up
00:39:57Bgernite all
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00:40:16amiconnThere's another idea how to improve update speed - let the drawing code track which parts of the screen changed (a 'dirty rectangle') and have an update function that updates only this part
00:40:18preglowamiconn: so you're just plain opposed to everything that doesn't involve good old-fashioned music playback?
00:40:56Febsamiconn, you're assuming that those developers who work on graphics would work on core functionality if they couldn't work on graphics.
00:41:06FebsMaybe they simply wouldn't work on Rockbox at all.
00:41:07preglowand i wouldn't, that's for sure
00:41:07amiconnNot at all. But working, reliable playback should still be the primary goal
00:41:27preglowi'm still in this for the fun
00:41:33preglowand coding playback isn't my idea of fun
00:42:30BagderI'm in it purely for all the profit
00:42:36amiconnOne of my ideas of fun is pushing limits - and this way coding for archos is more fun than for any of the new targets
00:42:37preglowand the chicks
00:43:29linuxstbYou can push the limits of the new players quite easily - video for example.
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00:43:39preglowand codecs
00:43:40pregloweasily
00:43:45preglowhave a look at he-aac
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00:45:51preglowit's just different
00:46:09preglowbut hell no, i love the flexibility that comes with software decoding and bitmap displays
00:46:34amiconnTry coding for the MAS DSP core...
00:46:36pregloweq plots and spectrographs don't really enhance music playback, but for some people, they're nice to have
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00:47:16preglowthe mas dsp core is designed by people with a penchant for whisky
00:47:16amiconnBtw, there's a NODO in the manual for archos which is no longer true
00:47:50preglowit's hard to program even by dsp chip standards
00:50:06linuxstbSpeaking of the NODO, I'm not sure why support for alternative filesystems is there - IMO, NODO should be for things which are technically impossible, not things we don't want to do.
00:50:10preglowsweet lord! hallelujah!
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00:50:15preglowasusfan started working again!
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00:51:19amiconn?
00:52:41preglowlinuxstb: definitely agreed
00:53:10amiconnalternative filesystems in NODO is correct for archos
00:53:37amiconnThe archos loader cannot boot from anything else than FAT32 (FAT16 for Ondio)
00:53:54Mikachuyou can't partition it?
00:53:58amiconnYou can
00:53:59linuxstbBut can't we replace the Archos loader?
00:54:11amiconnlinuxstb: Only if the unit is flashable
00:54:53linuxstbBut as Mikachu said, even for non-flashable devices, you could have a small FAT32 "boot partition", and the rest of the disk in any format.
00:55:25amiconn*some* players, *most* recorders, probably all fm/v2 recorders, and surely all Ondios are flashable
00:55:55amiconnYou can make a non-flashable unit flashable if you are able to change a TSOP32 chip
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00:58:17amiconnHmm, in fact such things are a very good reason to keep the older targets in head.
00:58:57amiconnEven if we do not want features like alternative filesystems in cvs for them, they are useful for testing code
00:59:39preglowwe're not talking about older targets, just player :>
00:59:44*amiconn remembers debugging FAT16 and multivolume support (introduced for Ondio) on his player
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01:00:21webguest00hi! can someone tell me more about the release of rockbox 3.0? is it ever exist a beta?
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01:00:22amiconnThat was in fact very useful - MMCs of the size where some problems occured weren't available back then
01:00:41preglowwebguest00: there's the daily and bleeding edge builds
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01:01:22amiconnThere are some debug facilities on archos which aren't available on the newer targets
01:02:29webguest00thank, but i haven't found on the wiki why there isn't any "stable" release.
01:02:38linuxstbAs I said, I'm in favour of keeping support for the Player in CVS - its existence never inconvenienced me.
01:02:53Paul_The_Nerdwebguest00: Because the code has never reached a point deemed release-ready?
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01:05:21preglowchatty fellow
01:05:46linuxstbOr maybe just cgi-irc problems...
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01:06:44BHSPitMonkeyhey
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01:07:09BHSPitMonkeycan I ask a vague PC-related Q in here, since there's not much else going on
01:07:25[HO]vo|tYes.
01:07:41BHSPitMonkeyis it okay to dd a small drive onto a new larger drive?
01:07:50BHSPitMonkeywill the remainder just be usable unpartitioned space?
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01:13:14linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: Sounds feasible to me.
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01:17:10*linuxstb wonders why his mpegplayer commits didn't start a new build
01:18:03linuxstbIt's just started...
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01:18:17amiconnI had that effect yesterday too
01:18:37amiconnMy commit first showed up on the frontpage, then started a builkd a few minutes later
01:18:42linuxstbSeemed to take 5 minutes to start.
01:18:46amiconnIt used to work the other way round...
01:19:01linuxstbAh yes, my commit is on the frontpage.
01:19:03amiconn...and only take one minute from commit to start-of-build
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01:24:20*linuxstb sees a green build table and heads for bed
01:24:30amiconn272fps on the iriver remote @124MHz :-)
01:24:38amiconn(w/o ticking reduction)
01:25:12linuxstbNice. rvf playback next?
01:25:14amiconn170fps @45MHz
01:25:40amiconnNo, next thing is porting my techniques to the X5 remote
01:25:51BHSPitMonkeywas that guy saying the other day that mpegplayer was (sort of) playing an mp4?
01:25:56preglowme bed
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01:25:57preglownight
01:26:01BHSPitMonkeyor was he just mistaken/bs'ing
01:26:03BHSPitMonkeynight preglow
01:26:47mirakBHSPitMonkey: I ported the xvid codec some month ago, but the codec is big, and it wasn't comited in cvs
01:26:54mirakxvid plugin I mean
01:27:01linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: It's only an MPEG1/MPEG2 decoder, but maybe it can display something from an MPEG-4 file, I've no idea.
01:27:28BHSPitMonkeyhmm, k
01:27:30mirakthere is no backward compatiblity between mpeg4 and mpeg2
01:27:43mirakunlike mpeg1 and mpeg2
01:28:02mirakthat would be forward compat in fact ...
01:28:04mirakgood night
01:29:22linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: Have you tried mv_player in IPL?
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01:32:54BHSPitMonkeylinuxstb, no, my iPod's out of commision for the time being too
01:33:50Paul_The_NerdApparently Simple Machines Forums supports birthdates prior Dec 31, 1969, and I've been told it's most likely the PHP version. =/
01:34:38linuxstbIs the source code to our forum software available?
01:35:28MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: 1 jan 1970 is the start of unix time :)
01:36:02Paul_The_NerdMikachu: I'm aware of that. :)
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01:36:28Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: It is as far as I know.
01:37:00linuxstbAnd Jan 19th 2038 is the end of unix time...
01:39:17Mikachuwith 32 bits
01:40:38Mikachussh account@64bitmachine
01:40:43Mikachu% strftime %x 4294967296
01:40:44Mikachu2106-02-07
01:41:34Paul_The_NerdWell, later I'll find out what PHP version we're running. It seems unlikely to me we'd be using one old enough to not have such a bug fixed.
01:42:10linuxstbIf you wait 100 years, the bug will fix itself...
01:42:54Mikachuthat wasn't a limit or anything
01:43:03Mikachuwith 32 bits you can only go to half of that, ie 2038, since it's signed
01:43:11Mikachui just had 2^32 in my clipboard :)
01:43:17zewith signed 32bits and jan 1 1970 epoch, it can go 1902 - 2038
01:43:46zei never heard anybody complain about the year 1902 problem
01:44:01Mikachu% strftime %x 8796093022208
01:44:02Mikachu280707-02-04
01:44:07Mikachuthat's just 2^43
01:44:10Mikachu:)
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01:49:48*amiconn always wondered why the unix time is signed
01:50:07*Paul_The_Nerd wonders why we have this bug if Unix time is signed.
01:50:44amiconnMaybe it's unsigned-signed, i.e. the variable is signed, but no software expects it to actually become negative
01:50:49Mikachuamiconn: so you can have dates before ?
01:50:55Mikachu1970? even
01:51:10Mikachumaybe the php code uses it like it's unsigned
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02:39:24samnmaxhello. i just installed RockBox on my iPod Mini (with a broken screen) and the Voice functions have saved me from buying a whole new iPod....I was wondering if somebody could tell me before I go looking everywhere for it if an iTrip mini would still work after RockBox is installed? thanks
02:42:36coobas long as rockbox kicks out power
02:42:38scorcheit would not
02:42:54coobit should, but i don't knwo if it does
02:43:00samnmaxthen i will test it
02:43:09scorchethe only fm transmitters that will work with rockbox atm, are ones that plug into just the headphone port
02:43:10Paul_The_NerdIt probably doesn't at this time
02:43:18coobmight need ot tweak rockbox to turn ppower on on the pins
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02:43:56samnmaxcan anyone reccomend me to an FM transmitter that plugs only into the phones port?
02:44:12Paul_The_NerdAny FM transmitter that says it works with non-iPod players.
02:44:18samnmaxoh ok
02:44:21Bloody_Sorcererbelkin tunecast FM?
02:44:23Paul_The_NerdUnless it's made for some other specific player only.
02:44:33Bloody_Sorcererand argh my cygwin pooped the bed.
02:45:40scorcheBloody_Sorcerer: from the looks of it, it should work with rockbox
02:47:06Bloody_Sorcererargh
02:47:09Bloody_Sorcererwhy did it break
02:47:10Bloody_Sorcerer*grumbles*
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03:24:00[HO]vo|t192kbps mp3 vs. standard flac... i can't hear a difference :/
03:26:23Paul_The_NerdThe average person can't.
03:26:42[HO]vo|ti don't feel so bad, then. 192kbps ftw :)
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03:33:24Soapuse a LAME preset with an average of ~192 and it will be better still, and can be smaller. 192kbps is a waste of bits for many samples.
03:33:49Bloody_SorcererVBR FTW!
03:34:02Bloody_Sorcereror just use ogg at a lower setting ;)
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03:44:10[HO]vo|tI have heard that converting files between or even at the same bitrates damages the quality of the song - i remember a test sample of some Metallica song that was run through the same conversion 666 times and it came out sounding like it was like 16kbps
03:44:56[HO]vo|tso i'm a bit skeptical of converting files to save a little bit of space, even my 320kbps songs i don't really want to touch
03:45:29Bloody_Sorcereryeah
03:45:40Bloody_Sorcerergeneration loss occurs in lossy formats even if the quality levels stay the same
03:45:42Bloody_Sorcererunfortunately
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03:47:55[HO]vo|ti have a few albums on my computer as flac, i think i am going to convert to 192kbps vbr mp3 - would save me mp3 player battery life as well as storage
03:51:14Paul_The_NerdConverting from FLAC to anything is the same as converting from a CD to it.
03:51:55Bloody_Sorcerer^^true dat^^
03:52:14Paul_The_NerdOr at least, the same as converting from what it was before FLAC. So MP3->FLAC->MP3 is the same as MP3->MP3. CD->FLAC->WAV->ALAC->APE->SHN->MP3 is the same as CD->MP3 as they're all lossless (assuming you're doing uncompressed WAV)
03:52:47Bloody_Sorcererwhat he said ;)
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03:53:45[HO]vo|tIs uncompressed WAV called "PCM 44.100kHz, 16 Bit, Stereo" by Winamp ? It says 172 kb/sec
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03:54:07[HO]vo|tbut i think it means KB because the files i get from that are way huge
03:54:29scorchehmmm....looks like a bank nearby is offering a free ipod nano if you sign up for an account...i can get a nano to test things on too now!
03:54:32*scorche dances
03:54:48Paul_The_NerdHahaha
03:55:03Paul_The_Nerd[HO]vo|t: Yeah, that should be uncompressed.
03:55:14[HO]vo|tPaul_The_Nerd: Thx
03:55:20scorcheand only a $25 cancellation fee, so a nano for basically $25
03:55:35[HO]vo|tlol way to go man
03:55:37*scorche can see no other catch other than he may have to wait up to 60 days to recieve it
03:55:52Bloody_Sorcererlmao
03:56:29scorchei think that this is the first time that RL spam has ever had something actually good
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03:59:26XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: are you online?
03:59:39[HO]vo|tPaul_The_Nerd: So far, my first power cycle had 13h 6m uptime, second was 13h 26m, and i just put it down for the third
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04:00:28XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: Do you know at what time exactly you will lock the forums?
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04:01:13SoapI've seen banks offering ipod shufles before, but never a nano. 25 bucks is a steal, even for the 1 gig model. Where do you live scorche?
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04:01:59scorcheSoap: slc, ut area...it is keybank offering it...i believe they are a national branch, so you might be in luck
04:02:11scorches/bank/branch
04:02:19Soapyea, we have Key Bank here.
04:02:45scorchemight be worth checking out, could just be this local branch offering it though
04:03:17Soapyou have a key.com link for the offer?
04:03:55scorcheactually...on the flyer, it says "To open a free checking account and get a free nano, stop by any KeyCenter, call 1-888-539-1234 or visit key.com"
04:03:55Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: A little bit over 5 hours from now. Also, unlocked that post. It was actually about Rockbox.
04:04:04SoapI see the link now
04:04:07SoapBusiness checking.
04:04:07scorcheSoap: it was RL spam ;)
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04:04:36scorcheoffer ends september 9, 2006
04:04:57scorche(so if you live in the US, it *should* be available to you as well)
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04:05:53XavierGrPaul: I am amazed with your repsonse time. Eye of the beholder.... :P
04:05:58SoapI think I am going to have to do it.
04:06:11XavierGrSorry for that though I thought they were discussing something about iPod linux
04:06:21[HO]vo|tis there anything on the key.com web page that references the ipod?
04:06:35Soapyea
04:06:37Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: It is confusing because they keep referring to it as "iBoy" controls, which isn't what the patch is named or anything. But I happened to know of the patch, which is in fact based off the iBoy control scheme.
04:06:46Soaphttps://www.key.com/html/LP-natnanobiz.html
04:06:47[HO]vo|thttps://www.key.com/html/LP-natnano.html < webpage for keybank
04:06:50Paul_The_NerdWithout it applied, Rockboy is nearly unusable on the iPod.
04:07:33XavierGrOk thanks for clearing that up
04:08:09XavierGrSo in 5 hours you are going to move the new posts (3 pages) to the new forums?
04:08:25Paul_The_NerdYes
04:08:32XavierGrI want to help but it is 5 am here, I don't know if I will be awake until then
04:08:33[HO]vo|tSoap: ew on the requirements: *You must open a Key Express Free Checking (this is the basic banking account in NY), Key Advantage Checking or a Key Privilege Checking account (offer excludes Student Checking) between July 23, 2006, and September 9, 2006, and have a direct deposit transaction or obtain a KeyBank credit card (excludes Student credit card) by October 31, 2006
04:08:37XavierGrI will try though
04:08:39scorchePaul_The_Nerd: when you do lock it, can you notify us in irc so we can help?
04:08:51Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: Don't worry about it. If you're asleep that's fine.
04:08:56scorche[HO]vo|t: what is so bad about that?
04:08:58Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Yes, I'll notify everyone here.
04:09:55[HO]vo|tscorche: idk, how easy do you suppose it will be to get a keybank credit card?
04:10:03XavierGrthat accel guy in the forums is really annoying
04:10:14scorche[HO]vo|t: or a direct deposit
04:10:24Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: I expected many people to be asleep while I was doing it. The idea was that the majority of users are asleep, so that it'll inconvenience the fewest number of people.
04:10:31XavierGrhis last post was quite rude
04:10:53XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: yeah you choosed the right time
04:10:54[HO]vo|tscorche: in my experience direct deposit takes like 3 or 4 weeks to set up, but maybe i just have had slow companies
04:11:22scorcheit just says a direct deposit transaction
04:11:39SoapI'm assuming you could directly deposit from another bank account.
04:11:48scorcheas am i
04:12:16[HO]vo|tscorche: i think it's referring to direct deposit as in, you give your employer your bank account number and your paycheck is direct deposited
04:12:48scorcheeven if that is the case, if you have friends, that is hardly difficult to do
04:12:57[HO]vo|thow so?
04:13:57scorchewe can call key bank to find out also...
04:14:10scorche(thanks skype for free calls!)
04:14:29scorchein fact, i will do that now...
04:14:45[HO]vo|twell in any case, thanks a lot for the heads up, i will definitely stop in at keybank and inquire about opening an account and getting a credit card
04:15:44Soapthis is a business checking account - I see nothing about requiring direct deposit or a CC. I see a requirement to sign up for online bill-pay and pay at least one bill with the service.
04:15:56[HO]vo|tplus, you don't even have to pay the $25 early termination fee if you get the "free checking" account, just keep a positive balance for 6 months
04:16:06[HO]vo|tmaybe we're looking at different offers?
04:16:15scorcheSoap: i think this is different
04:16:34[HO]vo|tyes! there are two different offers, one for buisness and one for personal
04:16:46scorchehrm...outside of hours of operation...i will call tomorrow and let you guys know
04:17:14[HO]vo|tabout 10 minutes ago I posted the one I'm looking at, https://www.key.com/html/LP-natnano.html
04:17:31scorche[HO]vo|t: it looks liek they do not support linking in that manner
04:18:46[HO]vo|thmm, then try going to www.key.com then clicking "Free Ipod Nano" on the bottom right (second link under "Special Offers")
04:19:07scorchei did
04:19:12scorchejust telling you =)
04:19:39[HO]vo|tthanks =) then i'm telling everyone that is silently following our conversation
04:19:42SoapI didn't realize our links were different until just now, (three letters you know) but this is way OT...
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04:20:01[HO]vo|trockbox runs on nanos!
04:20:14[HO]vo|tor, could? i haven't followed ipod+rockbox
04:20:25[HO]vo|tand free ones means more potential devs
04:21:12scorcheit does run on nanos
04:21:22[HO]vo|tswweeeeet
04:22:01scorcheindeed...i was excited when i found that on my door =)
04:22:31[HO]vo|theck yeah, and i'm just as excited right now - i mean, you don't even have to pay the $25 cancel fee if you don't mind putting a few bucks in a farse account
04:23:12scorchewell, like i said, i will call them tomorow and find out the specifics on "direct deposit"
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04:24:27SoapPM me when you do find out scorche.
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04:24:37[HO]vo|tsame :)
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05:37:52recorderv1userhello fellas
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05:39:21Recorder20v1UserNE1 have a fix for phantom stops?
05:39:37*Paul_The_Nerd doesn't even know what those are.
05:39:56Recorder20v1Useron the Archos Recorder 20 v1...
05:39:56fatherforkhaha
05:40:00Paul_The_NerdWell yeah.
05:40:05Paul_The_NerdI have a Recorder 20 v1
05:40:11Paul_The_NerdBut that doesn't mean I know what they are.
05:40:23Paul_The_NerdI'd guessed from your name that was what you used.
05:40:27sharpeI'm back, and I bear gifts of laughter and entertainment from afar.
05:40:35Paul_The_NerdIs it a problem only some people experience, or something relatively uncommon?
05:40:40Recorder20v1UserWhen the batts get lower than 40% playback stops when the harddrive is hit
05:40:53Recorder20v1UserHappens to some people
05:41:28Recorder20v1UserAll my mp3s are at 192, so my harddrive gets hit more often to fill the buffer
05:41:34sharpeWell, what did those people do to fix it?
05:41:55Recorder20v1UserSomeone had a patch, but the link on the forum is outdated
05:42:04sharpeI would suggest the term 'accessed' rather than 'hit.'
05:42:25Paul_The_NerdRecorder20v1User: Out of curiosity, are you using a newer build, or still running 2.5?
05:42:53Recorder20v1Userloaded 2.5.1 for the batt charge fix
05:42:59Recorder20v1Usermight go back to 2.4
05:43:13sharpe...
05:43:24Paul_The_NerdYou might try a somewhat newer build instead..
05:43:49Recorder20v1Userwasn't really looking towards daily builds, but might be worth a try
05:44:24sharpeI would probably suck as a comedian...
05:44:29scorcheyou do
05:44:29Recorder20v1Userthese phantom stops drive me nuts...
05:44:52sharpescorche: :(
05:44:59fatherforksharpe: hahaha
05:45:18fatherforkthis buds for you
05:45:56scorchefatherfork: that is illegal
05:46:03fatherforkwhoa there
05:46:07sharpeIn most countries anyway.
05:46:21Paul_The_NerdWasn't that like... a slogan for Budweiser beer though?
05:46:27scorcheit was
05:46:30scorchein the 80s
05:46:31fatherforkyes, it was
05:46:32*Paul_The_Nerd seems to recall it from some sort of commercial.
05:47:19scorchei only know it was because i am a fan of a band that did a commercial saying that
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05:48:13sharpescorche: I think it was used after the 80's...
05:48:31scorcheas i said...i only know...
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05:50:15sharpeI'm bored.
05:50:28fatherforkis "phantom stop" a technical term?
05:50:40sharpeNot that I know of...
05:51:11fatherforkdidn't think so
05:52:17sharpeBuffer underrun would fit it better.
05:52:30fatherforkyeah, I know that one
05:53:52Paul_The_NerdBut that shouldn't cause a stop
05:53:55Paul_The_NerdJust a skip.
05:56:53sharpeMaybe he meant it like, undetectable stop/pause in audio playback. Haha...
05:57:41scorcheyes...you would starve to death as a comedian...
05:57:59sharpeSure, a typing comedian, no doubt.
05:58:20scorchethere is nothing but pity for your voice as well
05:58:38sharpeI hate you too scorche.
05:58:49scorche=)
05:58:57[HO]vo|tthis channel is funny.
05:59:31fatherforksharpe is funny
05:59:40scorche[HO]vo|t: for a channel that doesnt aim to be...
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05:59:52scorchefatherfork: dont give him false hope...
05:59:57[HO]vo|twell i am still really excited to get a free 1gb ipod nano :)
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06:00:07fatherforkwhy not? makes the fall so much more hilarious
06:00:21scorchetrue...go ahead
06:00:33sharpeYep. Thanks. Great self-esteem booster you have there...
06:00:34fatherforksharpe, you rock, keep on keepin on
06:00:43fatherforkhaha
06:01:05scorche[HO]vo|t: just keep in mind that if you go the credit card option, and cancel it, it wont be free...in fact it could be bad
06:01:19fatherfork[HO]vo|t: how are you getting said nano? New apple computer purchase?
06:01:28scorchefatherfork: look in the logs
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06:01:36fatherforkgood idea
06:01:38AggortAnyone wanna help me tonight?
06:01:45sharpeThat depends.
06:01:50Aggortlol
06:02:08scorchefatherfork: specifically 03.54.29 in today's
06:02:08AggortOK, what is the easies tmethod to get Rockbox on my Nano?
06:02:29scorcheAggort: the way it says in the wiki under installation =)
06:02:29Aggorteasiest method*
06:02:31sharpeFollow the installation instructions.
06:02:40AggortTHAT'S THE EASIEST?
06:02:42AggortWTF?!
06:02:51scorcheuh..no need to go ballistic here...
06:02:52sharpeDude, it's like, six steps. Get over it.
06:03:02Aggortsix steps and I don;t udnerstand any of it
06:03:13[HO]vo|tscorche: tell me how that could be bad? sorry minimized.
06:03:41scorcheAggort: it tells you exactly what to do...and in most cases, it even tells you the exact command to type
06:04:02fatherforkscorche: ah
06:04:03scorche[HO]vo|t: getting a credit card, and cancelling it is very bad for the credit report
06:04:09AggortWhy hasn't anyone come up with an installer?
06:04:16fatherforkthey have
06:04:26sharpeWe just can't help you if you have any problems.
06:04:30AggortWouldn't that be easier?
06:04:31sharpeWith said installer.
06:04:37[HO]vo|tscorche: i thought so...
06:04:38Aggort*sigh*
06:04:42scorcheAggort: a few people have come up with one, but they are unsupported because they are not official
06:04:51Aggortok
06:05:00AggortSo how long will the wiki method take me then?
06:05:10Paul_The_NerdAggort: If you do it right, less than three minutes.
06:05:18fatherforkit's really easy to do manually
06:05:31Paul_The_NerdAggort: The same method is also explained in the manual, and may be a little more readable.
06:05:32Aggortok
06:05:44fatherforkand if you do it wrong, another 3 minutes to correct
06:05:45Aggortso can you guys possibly send me a link
06:05:51fatherforkoh man
06:05:53AggortI am tihnking I was reading the wrong thing
06:06:32Paul_The_NerdTry reading the manual then
06:06:37Paul_The_NerdThat'll definitely be the right thing
06:06:45fatherforkhere's a new idea, post the link in here to where you are, and we'll tell you if you're hot or cold...
06:06:52Aggortgot ya
06:07:12sharpefatherfork: Hide and seek, only... in a true or false way.
06:07:16Aggorthttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
06:07:18fatherforkindeed
06:07:27fatherfork...hot
06:07:35Aggortok
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06:07:47sharpeI hope you're on windows, also?
06:10:13Aggortyes
06:10:14Aggortlol
06:10:21AggortI am not an idiot
06:10:28Aggorthow will I know if it fginds my ipod?
06:10:31fatherforkman I just read where he freaked out... haha
06:10:36Aggortn/m
06:10:53sharpeAggort: I guess you kept reading?
06:10:58fatherforkthat's a quote worth repeating
06:11:01Aggortno no
06:11:05sharpeThat rhymed.
06:11:11fatherforkhaha
06:11:30scorchefatherfork: ?
06:11:30sharpeIt found your iPod?
06:13:51Aggortok wait
06:13:58AggortI can't tell iff it found it or not
06:13:59Aggortlol
06:14:04fatherfork[pause]
06:14:10sharpe... What does it say?
06:15:53Aggortstart and end secotrs
06:15:58Aggortsectors*
06:16:04Aggortsizes
06:16:17Aggorttypes and such
06:16:52sharpeSo... Does it show two partitions?
06:17:14AggortYes
06:17:17Aggortone emtpy
06:17:35sharpeThat's your iPod.
06:17:40Aggortthe other W95 FAT 32
06:17:54Aggort? iPods have FAT32
06:17:57Aggortwow
06:18:02AggortI learned somethingf
06:18:21sharpeWindows formatted iPods do. Mac formatted iPods has HFS+.
06:18:29fatherforkit depends, if you connect it to a mac first, it'll be HFS
06:18:37fatherforkah, beat me
06:18:44fatherfork+
06:19:11sharpeYep. I'm a quick one.
06:19:18AggortI figured it wouldnt got with FAT32 though
06:19:40Aggortinteresting
06:19:41scorcheAggort: well, it certainly wouldnt go NTFS...
06:19:46fatherforkjust out of curiosity, what did you think it would be?
06:19:47AggortI thought it did
06:19:50Aggortbeleive it or not
06:19:57Aggort?
06:20:07Aggortjk
06:20:10Aggortbtw
06:20:27sharpeHaha, you got us. We thought you meant it.
06:20:39scorcheAggort: you know, you can put an entire sentence in one line ;)
06:22:22Aggortlol
06:22:24Aggortsorry
06:22:32sharpeYou did it again... :)
06:22:35fatherforkyep
06:22:52Aggortipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
06:23:04fatherforkyour point is?
06:23:06Aggortok and it could not open loader image
06:23:13Aggortbootloader-nano
06:23:15Aggortso?
06:23:34Aggortwhat does that mean
06:23:35sharpeIs there a bootloader-nano.bin in the current directory?
06:24:18Aggortno
06:24:30sharpeWell. That sounds like the problem.
06:24:42Aggortlol
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06:24:45AggortI got it now thanks
06:24:55sharpeHey, I'm here to help.
06:25:22fatherfork"lol, I got it now thanks" would have been more up to speed. without the "lol", of course.
06:25:36Bloody_Sorcererwell shit, i have some encoding to do.
06:25:41Bloody_Sorcerer137 gigs of unencoded vids is toooooo much
06:26:00fatherforkvob files?
06:26:08Bloody_Sorcereryeppers
06:26:12fatherforkbummer
06:26:16Aggortk got it
06:26:26AggortHey, curiopiusty
06:26:32Aggortcan I play vids with RockBox?
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06:26:38Bloody_Sorcererits in devel
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06:26:45Bloody_Sorcereronly mpeg2 video streams right now iirc
06:26:50sharpeYup.
06:26:51Bloody_Sorcerer(or is it mpeg1?)
06:27:15fatherforkmpeg1 right? and no audio.
06:27:25Paul_The_NerdMpeg1 or 2. No Audio.
06:27:49AggortI already got a god dman arror
06:27:53Aggortwhat is arror -1?
06:28:03fatherforkwhat's an arror?
06:28:09sharpeIt means you didn't follow all of the instructions.
06:28:11Aggorterror ass
06:28:12Aggortlol
06:28:15AggortWTF
06:28:19AggortYes I did
06:28:34sharpeStep 2.
06:28:42Aggortuhh
06:28:43Aggortbtwe
06:28:49sharpehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#Step_2_Install_Rockbox
06:28:49Aggortit is su;pposed to say that
06:28:50fatherforkwow, I just can't tear myself away from this conversation.
06:28:51AggortI sjut read it
06:29:08AggortI am glad I am being the butt of your jokes
06:29:08Aggortlol
06:29:21Paul_The_NerdAggort: Well, if you'd actually take the time to read things fully, it wouldn't be a problem.
06:29:34Aggortlmao
06:30:58fatherforkoh well, later guys.
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06:32:01AggortGot it to work
06:32:06AggortI am so sorry that I was such a alme ass
06:32:15sharpe:)
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06:32:40COmputomanWhats up
06:32:50sharpeMatter.
06:33:01AggortOK
06:33:06Aggortso how do I play vids?
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06:33:14COmputomanI should have expected that huh?
06:33:17Aggortand what about Ogg files?
06:33:25sharpeYes. You should've... :D
06:33:30Aggortand what about other themes
06:33:31Aggort?
06:33:38scorcheAggort: read the manual/wiki
06:33:45scorcheeverything you have asked is in there
06:34:24sharpeStrange. A centralized location for Rockbox information.
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06:35:53Bloody_Sorcererwell crap
06:35:53Aggortok
06:35:54Aggortthanks
06:35:59Bloody_Sorcererthis is an absurd volume of encoding jobs
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06:36:03Bloody_Sorcereri won't have my computer back for a week
06:36:19scorche<3 dual-core
06:36:22sharpeIt's days like these I enjoy helping others.
06:36:39Bloody_Sorcererscorche, my dual core build is taunting me about a foot away
06:36:40Bloody_Sorcererwith no RAM.
06:36:49COmputomanHey sharpe, im having a bit of trouble finding the wiki for the doom plug in
06:36:59COmputomanI was trying to figure out where to drop the wad files
06:37:13Paul_The_NerdCOmputoman: Have you looked at PluginIndex?
06:37:18scorcheCOmputoman: have you tried searching the wiki for "doom?
06:37:22Paul_The_NerdOr gee, typed "Doom" into the search box on the front page of the site?
06:37:24COmputomanyeh
06:37:26sharpePluginDoom.
06:37:30Paul_The_NerdBecause all of those get you to it.
06:37:47Bloody_Sorcererin short, RTFM
06:37:59Bloody_Sorcererwait a minute
06:38:07Bloody_Sorcererwe don't have an M for finding stuff in said M do we...
06:38:07sharpeThat's vulgar.
06:38:11Bloody_Sorcererthats a conundrum
06:38:20sharpeWe have a manual...
06:38:26Bloody_Sorcererfor using the wiki?
06:38:40sharpeNo... we actually have a manual for each player...
06:38:45Bloody_Sorcereryeah
06:38:53COmputomanfound it
06:38:56Bloody_Sorcererbut the manual i was referring to would be one that would help him find said wiki page
06:39:01COmputomansorry for wasting everyones proccessor
06:39:08Bloody_Sorcererand as there is no such manual that i know of, my statement was out of line :)
06:39:18sharpeArrg. Twenty thousand clock cycles...
06:39:39Bloody_Sorcerernone wasted here, encoding like mad now ;)
06:39:56Bloody_Sorcererand trying to free up every last meg i can...
06:41:56sharpeI freed up around seventy or so gigs across all of my HDDs a day or two ago...
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06:51:13AggortK I'm back
06:51:20Aggortfor one thing I could not find
06:51:26AggortHow to get videos to work on Nano
06:51:55Paul_The_NerdVideos is not officially supported yet. You can play raw mpeg2 or mpeg1 streams in m1v and m2v format though
06:52:09AggortThat'd be nifty, sound?
06:52:12COmputomanThe wad pack i have has a thousand wad files, it seems like they make the levels to the game. Where are these initial wad files they speak of in the wiki manual "doom.wad"
06:52:24scorcheAggort: not yet...as we said, it is in development
06:52:31AggortIt's ok
06:52:33Aggortcool
06:52:39AggortWell that'd be nice
06:52:46AggortI had iPodlinux
06:52:46COmputomansorry to be off topic
06:52:53Aggorthave*
06:53:06Aggortbut for some reason on this nano it wouldnb;t work for my brother
06:53:15Aggortso I got him rockbox
06:53:26scorcheCOmputoman: it is on topic
06:53:30Paul_The_NerdCOmputoman: "initial"?
06:53:44COmputomanThe main wad files, whatever you want to call it
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06:53:54Paul_The_NerdAh, the base wads
06:54:06COmputomanIn the wiki it says Copy the Doom wad(s) you wish to play into that directory and start Doom. The wads doom looks for are:
06:54:06COmputoman * doom1.wad: Doom (Shareware)
06:54:06COmputoman * doom.wad: Doom
06:54:14Paul_The_NerdCOmputoman: You can only use additional levels with commercial copies of Doom. The shareware doom1.wad that's linked will not work with addons. Freedoom will though. Also, rockdoom.wad is required for anything to run.
06:55:12COmputomanI downloaded rockdoom and i have a commercial version of doom im pretty sure
06:55:37COmputomanBut there are countless folders full of wad files
06:56:49Paul_The_NerdYou cannot legally download a commercial version of doom
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06:58:46COmputomanIs talking about how to install a copy of doom illegal?
07:00
07:00:07Paul_The_NerdThere's no installation.
07:00:18Paul_The_NerdThe wiki page tells you exactly what folder all wads you want to use need to be in.
07:02:11COmputomanok sorry for wasting everyones time
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07:10:14gotribegoanyone up?
07:10:20gotribegoi have a question
07:10:36gotribegomy ipod (5G, 60 gig with rockbox) was plugged into my computer
07:11:15gotribegomy computer froze up so I had to turn the power off and turn the computer on again... did that have any negative effects on the ipod?
07:11:50COmputomanIf you were transfering stuff, yes
07:12:00COmputomanIf not, maybe, but probbably not
07:12:01gotribegofuck
07:12:19sharpeProbably just the file it was copying at the time either doesn't exist, or is corrupted.
07:12:26gotribegocause the computer froze like a min or two after i connected the ipod to the computer
07:12:27COmputomanyeah
07:12:31gotribegoit was running "autoplay"
07:12:48scorchethen likely, no damage was caused
07:13:13gotribegoeven though it froze up while autoplay was running?
07:13:23scorcheautoplay is just something windows does
07:13:40gotribegois there any way to check the ipod to see if it has any errors ?
07:14:11scorchewell, there is fsck for filesystem errors
07:14:21sharpeEh, maybe scandisk?
07:14:36scorcheoh..windows...yes, scandisk
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07:14:50gotribegobut do those two utilities actually indicate or detect any errors ?
07:15:05sharpeWell, they're not just for show...
07:15:05scorchefilesystem errors, yes
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07:15:14Paul_The_NerdThey'd be kinda pointless to recommend if they didn't do something useful.
07:15:32gotribegopaul, what is ur take ?
07:15:56gotribegomy computer froze up just as the ipod/windows was running AutoPlay
07:16:15gotribegois this something i should be worrying about?
07:16:22sharpegotribego: I wouldn't.
07:16:22Paul_The_NerdThe same as their: If it was in the process of writing to the iPod, there is a chance of having a corrupt file.
07:16:51scorchehowever, autoplay does not write to the ipod
07:17:05Paul_The_NerdYeah, autoplay usually means it's being read from
07:17:19gotribegocause the ipod was showing "do not disconnect" message
07:17:24sharpeHaha, so that's what the 'play' part means. :)
07:17:26gotribegowhen I had to force the computer off
07:17:27scorcheit always shows that
07:17:50scorche...when in disk mode
07:17:56gotribegou guys are familiar with sfv files right?
07:18:13gotribegoif all the sfv files "check out" fine, that means im good to go correct?
07:18:56sharpeThat'd be my guess.
07:20:04gotribegoif there WAS a problem, would it be apparent?
07:20:30sharpeYes, probably failing to match the CRC given, and the calculated one.
07:20:41gotribegooh i mean, the ipod
07:20:47gotribegowould the ipod work correct
07:21:10sharpeWhat do SFV files have to do with your iPod?
07:21:24scorchesfv only verifies the actual files...not the state of your ipod
07:21:36scorchesharpe: compare checksums of the files
07:22:07sharpescorche: eh?
07:22:13gotribegoim asking, if my ipod got fucked up by the computer freezing while autoplay was going, would it be easy to know that it is f'ed up?
07:22:44scorchesharpe: to make sure that the files are not corrupted/changed
07:22:49Paul_The_NerdLook, we've told you what the problems that can reasonably occur are.
07:23:00sharpescorche: i know what SFV files do?
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07:25:38sharpescorche: so hah! ?
07:25:51scorche?
07:26:09sharpedid you miss "<sharpe> Yes, probably failing to match the CRC given, and the calculated one." ?
07:26:29scorchewhat are we arguing about?
07:26:41sharpeme knowing what SFV files are for?
07:26:53*scorche shrugs
07:26:56scorchenot worth it..
07:27:05sharpeoh c'mon.
07:27:10sharpeit's totally worth it.
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07:31:12lexdoes mpeg playing work in real time now+
07:31:14lex*?
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07:31:42sharpeThat's a very broad question.
07:32:24Paul_The_Nerdgotribego just posted the exact same questions in the forums.
07:32:33Paul_The_NerdWell, not the exact, as he asked if he "bricked" his iPod.
07:32:41Paul_The_Nerdlex: MPEGs don't even play with audio yet.
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07:32:51sharpeLets copy and paste the logs in the reply.
07:32:53Paul_The_NerdAs for realtime, that rather depends on how many FPS they're encoded at anyway.
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07:33:11sharpeOooh. Can I?
07:33:41sharpeAww.
07:35:03sharpePaul_The_Nerd: He replies!
07:35:12Paul_The_NerdHe's an idiot.
07:35:22sharpeCan i take care of this one?
07:35:34Paul_The_NerdThe forums need to stay polite.
07:35:58lexPaul_The_Nerd: i know that
07:36:05lexPaul_The_Nerd: but frame skip... ;o
07:36:19sharpePaul_The_Nerd: Pasting the same conversation, in case he has amnesia? :)
07:36:21Paul_The_Nerdlex: Frameskip isn't realtime then.
07:36:33Paul_The_Nerdlex: Frameskip is simulated realtime. But as the commit says, frameskip is now supported.
07:36:58Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Maybe just paste a link to the IRC log for the day.
07:38:19sharpeWell, he is polite though.
07:39:36Paul_The_NerdiPod users seem to have a unique definition of "bricked"
07:39:45sharpeYes.
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07:40:08Paul_The_NerdMany of them still have access to their iPod, but it's not working wholly, or they can't get it to play music but can still access the files, and call it "bricked"
07:40:37Paul_The_NerdI'd always considered "bricked" means "Has become as useful as a brick"
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07:40:52sharpeOr that they see the Apple error message with the Warning sign.
07:42:09sharpeHmm. A relatively light-weight, thin brick in many cases.
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07:55:22Bagderwe need a standards committee to properly define what 'bricking' really means
07:57:09Bg3rmorning
07:57:14Bg3r:)
07:57:34daurn|laptophi all
07:57:49Paul_The_NerdWhere do you find a standards committee at short notice?
07:58:00sharpeBagder: No feaseable way to repair said bricked player?
07:58:27daurn|laptopBagder: usually would mean flashing incorrect code to flash and subsecuently no longer being able to boot
07:58:45sharpeA google for "standards committee r us" turns up nothing.
07:59:46Bagderdaurn|laptop: I wouldn't say it necessarily involves flashing...
07:59:59sharpeIt could suffer physical damage.
08:00
08:00:21sharpeWhich, ironically enough, might be caused by a brick.
08:00:22daurn|laptopthat would just be "breaking" it
08:00:22daurn|laptop:P
08:00:35daurn|laptopi did once "brick" my psp
08:00:39JdGordonISO 12345 - what exactly constitues a briking...
08:00:41Paul_The_NerdMy definition of bricking is "Unfixable with only software solutions"
08:00:47daurn|laptopbut thats the physical meaning
08:01:04daurn|laptop - it got slammed into a brick wal
08:01:05daurn|laptop:P
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08:01:22Bg3ryeah, get a hammer
08:01:24daurn|laptopbut, i'd say that the key thing is that its software, and causes no booting
08:01:25sharpedaurn|laptop: Like, it was in a fight?
08:01:35*Bagder remember the old mail with the guy who forgot his Archos on the roof of his car
08:01:48daurn|laptopsharpe: was in my bag, ripeed my jumper out, and it flew
08:01:50daurn|laptop:P
08:01:51Bagderthose rubber feet makes it sit there nicely at a quite high speed
08:01:56Bagder... until you break
08:02:03Bg3rahhh
08:02:03Bagderwoooooosh
08:02:06Bg3rthat hurts
08:02:07sharpeOr if it's raining.
08:02:26Bagderthat bricked it ;-)
08:02:59sharpeShould have a picture for comparison, "If your player looks like this, chances are it is bricked."
08:03:34sharpeThat'd only work for heavy physical damage though. :\
08:04:53Paul_The_Nerd1 hour.
08:05:02sharpe60 minutes.
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08:07:27amiconn[08:00:20] <Paul_The_Nerd> My definition of bricking is "Unfixable with only software solutions" <== where would you draw the line?
08:08:27amiconnE.g. a mis-flashed archos is fixable with software and a small hardware mod (the serial port + uart boot mod)
08:08:39Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: If it can be fixed without opening the player physically, then it's not bricked.
08:08:48Paul_The_NerdI consider something like that small hardware mod, a part of the process of un-bricking.
08:08:56amiconnok
08:09:02Paul_The_NerdBut that's my personal definition.
08:09:15BagderI'd say that's a pretty good definition
08:09:24Paul_The_NerdOne thing I definitely don't consider bricking is the "Sad Folder" on iPods. ;)
08:09:30sharpehttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5593.0
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08:09:48sharpeI know it's been replied to, but...
08:09:57amiconnYes it is. But that means some cases of bricking can be fixed without sending the device to the manufacturer
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08:10:15midkaysharpe: but? why did you just randomly link a topic?
08:10:35Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The people are saying Menu+Select doesn't always work
08:10:38Bagderamiconn: sure, it just depends on the skills and tools of the person with the unit
08:11:03midkay.. and? there's also a post in the forums about playing doom on your iPod. i could randomly link that just the same.
08:11:17midkaywhat's the point of linking it? "here's a random topic, enjoy"?
08:11:19sharpemidkay: Because, I want to inconvenience your day by taking your valuable time to actually point that out to me.
08:11:39midkaysharpe: comma overuse, once again.. and thanks a lot, that's so amusing.
08:12:13sharpeGod forbid I use one comma.
08:12:15sharpe:D
08:12:25midkayin the wrong place, yeah.
08:14:16sharpeIt wasn't really a random link either, it had to do with bricked players. Or in this case, 'dead.'
08:14:55JdGordonamiconn: hey, im fixing the settings on all targets now.. on the recorder time screen up/down is inc/dec and left/right is move between settgins right?
08:15:12amiconnyes
08:15:45JdGordonrighto
08:16:28midkaysharpe: thanks for not pointing that out. you know, because random links are always automatically associated in everyone's head with whatever *you* intend them to be associated with.
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08:20:10JdGordondoes the ondio and player have the eq/time screens?
08:20:35Bg3rJdGordon: i don't think so
08:20:37amiconnNone of the hwcodec devices has eq
08:20:55amiconnThe player and Ondios have no rtc, so no time setting either
08:21:12JdGordonawesome, 2 less keymap files to fix then :)
08:21:38amiconnHmm, h1x0 and h300 keymap should be split
08:21:42amiconn(or ifdefed)
08:21:54JdGordonfor the tiny diferences?
08:21:54amiconnh1x0 has no time setting, h300 has
08:22:19JdGordonand colour... but it doesnt tadd much to the size does it? (but yes, it should be ifdefed)
08:22:25JdGordondfinalty not split.. way too much shared
08:22:26amiconnPlus the physical button configuration is different, so we might want some assignments to be different
08:23:09amiconnThere is one such different assignment I know of, not in the core though
08:23:38sharpeHaha. I'm close to having this pair of earbuds runied now.
08:23:47sharperuined.
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08:27:52daurn|laptoparg
08:28:08daurn|laptopwhats TV out adaptor in chinese
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08:31:48Paul_The_NerdOur forums have 1638 members who've never posted...
08:31:53daurn|laptopwhats TV out adaptor in chinese
08:32:13midkaydaurn|laptop: we heard you the first time.
08:32:33sharpedaurn|laptop: Google translator? :)
08:32:34daurn|laptopi d/c'd when i said it
08:32:35daurn|laptop:S
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08:32:43daurn|laptopi need pronounctiation
08:32:54midkayhow can we pronounce it to you?
08:33:10midkayso why would you even ASK? we can't give you a better text answer than google.
08:33:22sharpeTel-e-viz-on?
08:33:33midkaythat's not how you pronounce television.
08:34:03sharpeIt's not how you spell it either.
08:34:32daurn|laptoparg
08:34:38daurn|laptoptrying to get phone support from china
08:34:38midkaysharpe: so why did you say it?
08:34:42qwmrichard sharpe.
08:34:42Paul_The_NerdOkay, I'm trying something new as well as our New Boards. There's a forum entitled Spam. It's *only* visible to registered members with 0 posts. It seems the first post of spambots often goes in the first forum in the list, so I'm hoping they'll in most cases end up there and not even bother members who've posted.
08:34:56sharpeqwm: Those books. :)
08:34:59midkayhaha.
08:35:02qwm:)
08:35:03BagderPaul_The_Nerd: nice
08:35:10qwmfinally remembering then, sharpe ;)
08:35:22sharpeYep...
08:35:27qwmsharpe: before i'm done with you, you'll have read them all.
08:36:02daurn|laptopPaul_The_Nerd: but then the spambot makes 1 post, then spams the other forums
08:36:06sharpeWow, you have me reembering what they vaguely are after a month or two, just imagine another month.
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08:36:14Paul_The_Nerddaurn|laptop: In most cases we only get one spam message per fake account.
08:36:17Bagderdaurn|laptop: they still need to get banned on sight
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08:36:50amiconnHmm. The X5 remote can't cope with my high-speed transfer at 124MHz :-(
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08:37:09Bagder:-/
08:37:16amiconnThe controller should handle it, so I think it's the cable that prevents it from working
08:37:19sharpeamiconn: What about 123.9MHz ?
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08:37:58midkaysharpe: what about shutting the hell up for *once*? please? gosh..
08:38:40amiconnThe fast transfer means ~3.5MHz across the wire
08:38:44sharpemidkay: There's a simple reason why I don't. To piss you off.
08:38:44daurn|laptopwhats my quit msg?
08:38:45amiconn(at 124MHz)
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08:39:14midkaysharpe: why? it's not funny at all to anybody, nor useful.. it's absolutely 100% worthless and it's truly annoying.
08:39:36JdGordonyay! just gotta fix the h10 an ifp keymaps and all settings screens on all trgets should be good again...
08:39:44amiconnSame problem exists with the iriver remote. Slightly less than 4MHz would still be within specs even for its (slower) lcd controller, but it doesn't work either
08:41:25amiconnI an testing the maximum cpu clocks which allow the fast transfer, and settle at half of that.
08:41:58*amiconn has calculated the PLLCR values for all 11 possible clock frequencies
08:42:28midkayPaul_The_Nerd: around?
08:42:42sharpemidkay: I would assume so.
08:42:50Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yes
08:43:27midkaysharpe: there's no possible way to NEARLY convey my entire aggravation and feelings about your worthlessness here...
08:43:45midkayPaul_The_Nerd: have you considered a patch discussion kind of forum?
08:44:02midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i was just looking for the thread on the new menu design and when I couldn't find it right away I thought something like that might be nice..
08:44:27midkaya foru, for WIP patches, designs, etc.. that the menu changes would be a good example of..
08:45:21scorcheand make it clear that "this is not a place to get a patch committed", as i am sure people would love to go on with their usual "i like this patch, can we get it committed?"
08:46:00midkayscorche: so "don't express your feelings about patches here"?
08:46:11scorchesomething like that
08:46:28sharpemidkay: So pretty much an extended flyspray comments section for the patch?
08:46:46Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I think Flyspray is suitable for discussion of patches as is.
08:46:48midkaysharpe: flyspray isn't for discussion..
08:46:56Paul_The_Nerd:-P
08:47:03midkay.. in my eyes. :) it's annoying.. i mean..
08:47:06Paul_The_NerdHehehe
08:47:09midkayyou can't "browse" it like the forums..
08:47:12Paul_The_NerdTrue
08:47:12Bagderand people already discuss patches fine in the forum
08:47:15midkaynot really. you can't see the latest updates, etc..
08:47:22midkayBagder: in miscellaneous forums, right.
08:47:30midkayi think it would be nice to converge all patch discussion into one place.
08:47:32Bagderyes, in the one related to what kind of patch it is
08:47:35Paul_The_NerdI'll create a Flyspray board.
08:47:41midkayso you can go to one place to read about potential changes, et cetera..
08:47:47Bagderwhy?
08:47:55Paul_The_NerdMaybe.
08:47:56Bagderwhy not go to the plugin one and read about plugins?
08:47:59midkaywhy not? maybe you want to see what people are working on?
08:48:11Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: It's true, plugin-style patches would be best suited in the plugins board
08:48:11Bagderand the associated plugin patches people talk about
08:48:18midkayBagder: because then you get a mix of "doom isn't working" and "how do i use metronome" and OCCASIONALLY a "i'm working on this".
08:48:25Bagderyes
08:48:31Bagdersince those are all about plugins
08:48:38midkayso you can't simply go to once place to read about deviations from the plain jane builds.
08:48:42JdGordondos anyone ant to doubl check my settings context rework before i commit it?
08:49:03Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: And "Doom is not working" and "how do I use metronome" could both be the results of a bug in the plugin, rather than just user stupidity.
08:49:08Paul_The_NerdEither way, it consolidates them in one place.
08:49:19amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Shouldn't the 'Spam' board be invisible to me?
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08:49:26midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i don't care about what they are. they clutter up the readability of development.
08:49:45Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Development essential stuff should go on Flyspray anyway
08:50:00midkay.. because it's so easy to get around in Flyspray, right....
08:50:01BagderI strongly agree with that
08:50:10Bagderthe forum is mainly a user-support thing
08:50:11Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: With the exception of like, JdGordon's post about the button changes, which belongs in "Announcements" by the new standard.
08:50:35Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: You're a developer. You get to see all boards. I can hide it from developers. I'll go ahead ' n do that before I reopen the forums.
08:50:42midkayBagder: hm, i like the idea of being able to just discuss things...
08:50:50Bagdersure
08:51:06Bagderbut devs can't be forced to use the forums while we think devs more or less must use flyspray
08:51:13Paul_The_NerdI will admit that the ability to see new posts on the forum is easier if you don't want to get emails from flyspray
08:51:16Bagderso if you truly want to reach the dev, you use flyspray
08:51:29Bagderif you want to discuss among users, go forum
08:51:38*JdGordon prefers forums to FS
08:51:42JdGordonfor discussion...
08:51:44midkayBagder: that's rather off-putting, since there are plenty of patches with no comments or anything at all..
08:51:54BagderI'm stating the reality
08:51:59Bagderyou can like it or not
08:52:03midkayBagder: and i'm stating the possibilities. :)
08:52:06Bagderthe fourms are qute daunting
08:52:14Bagderwe can expect devs to even try to keep up with them
08:52:19Bagdercan not
08:52:19Paul_The_NerdWe could have a "Flyspray" forum in the development category, and require that topic titles be FS#XXXX and the title of the flyspray entry?
08:52:19midkayit's considered lucky to have a dev even look at your patch..
08:52:24midkayBagder: sure, devs use flyspray.
08:52:31midkaybut for discussion or end user suggestions/review, why not Forums?
08:52:45Bagdernow read what I said again
08:52:58midkayif you just want to say "hey i'm working on this game here's a screenshot what do you think" you can get lots of good replies from end users who don't get emails on flyspray, etc...
08:52:58BagderI did not dismiss that
08:53:20Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: But why can't someone just say that in the plugins category?
08:53:30midkayBagder: you said "if you want to discuss among users, go forums" -> that's exactly what i'm suggesting. create a FORUM for discussion.
08:53:47BagderI just don't see the need for a separate forum for it
08:53:55Bagderpeople talk patches a lot already
08:54:11midkayPaul_The_Nerd: they can. i just feel it might be nicer to have a dedicated patches forum for people who think "hm, what's going on in the general world of development and what are people working on" rather than saying "what new plugins are being written?" and have to go through pages of questions to reach one WIP plugin thread.
08:54:35Bagdermidkay: but the differences between those are very fuzzy
08:54:45midkayBagder: fuzzy?
08:54:54Bagdera "doom doesn't work" could very well lead to a bug report that leads to a patch that ...
08:55:06Bagdereverything plugin-related
08:55:09midkaywho cares about doom bugfix patches?
08:55:12Paul_The_NerdHow 'bout a "Work in Progress" forum in the "Development" section?
08:55:16midkayif you're starting a new plugin or new major change.
08:55:19Bagdermidkay: you
08:55:26midkayPaul_The_Nerd: that sounds like what i'm getting at.
08:55:29Paul_The_NerdThat would cover both plugins, things like the WMA codec, any ongoing work that users want to discuss?
08:55:33midkayBagder: no, that's exactly what i'm against.
08:55:45midkayi don't want a forum for "hey i fixed a tiny bug in doom".
08:55:48Bagdermidkay: ok, so what tracker entries would be discussed?
08:55:52Bagderwould you filter them?
08:56:02Bagderwhen is it deemed ok?
08:56:03midkayi want a forum for "i'm undertaking a massive project to revamp the UI" or "write a new plugin".
08:56:08midkaythe new menu system is a prime example.
08:56:24midkayBagder: how about if it's not a small trivial bugfix and it's worth actually discussing/improving?
08:56:32JdGordonyes, a WIP subforum with 1 thread per topic would be great..
08:56:32BagderI just don't see any proper distinction between when and when not
08:56:38midkayBagder: no posts about "i just made a bugfix here's a link commit pls kthx"..
08:56:50midkayBagder: that seems very specific to me. if it's worth *discussing* then you'd post.
08:57:00Bagderuh?
08:57:07Bagderpeople want to discuss even tiny doom fixes
08:57:21midkayBagder: how so?
08:57:22Bagderand besides
08:57:24midkaywhat is there to discuss?
08:57:31Bagderfor some people, a tiny doom fix is a major undertaking
08:57:45midkayBagder: "tiny" cancels out "major".
08:57:49Paul_The_NerdOne possibility is this:
08:57:54Bagdertiny for you, major for others
08:58:20daurn|laptopa doom fix is an undertaking
08:58:20daurn|laptop:P
08:58:30Paul_The_NerdHrm. Nevermind
08:58:36BagderI'm just saying that without a proper and clear distinction and separation, people will post all over anyway and we'd gain nothing with separating forums
08:58:47Paul_The_NerdI like the idea of being able to request user feedback
08:58:49Bagderjust lose since we'll have users scattered
08:58:54Paul_The_NerdBut I think "Announcements" covers most of that.
08:59:10amiconnI must say that I usually don't look at the forums at all these days. It's simply too much to read
08:59:27midkayis Bagder just against it or am I not clear or crazy or what? if it's something *big* - new PLUGIN, new MENU, new FEATURE, new MODIFICATION - that is up for discussion like "how does this look?" or "what do you think if the menus did this instead of this?" - it warrants a post. if it's a BUGFIX that's a commit-and-go deal (or comments like "what's the best way to increase the doom_x variable over time, or is this the cleanest way to fix this),
08:59:27midkayNO post.
08:59:30amiconnI only check a thread in case someone is pointing me to it
08:59:35midkayBagder: ^^ is that not 100% clear?
08:59:40JdGordonannouncments shold be just for RB notices and all topics closed no?
08:59:43Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: How do you enforce that easily?
08:59:51midkayPaul_The_Nerd: "doom bugfix" gets deleted.
08:59:53Bagdermidkay: no
09:00
09:00:00BagderI find it clear as mud
09:00:06midkayif the user has something worthwhile and requests discussion, then it's worthwhile..
09:00:15Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: "Major" is very subjective. "Worthwhile" is too.
09:00:19Bagdersince then half of all the posts wouldn't fit there and would need to be in the plugin section
09:00:19midkayBagder: alright, so i guess we remain flyspray-forumless.
09:00:23midkayalright alright.
09:00:37Bagderso there would be plugin discussions about patches in several forums anyway
09:00:37Paul_The_NerdI think that "Announcements" covers the need to receive user feedback on major things.
09:00:51midkayannouncements? aren't those "official" announcements?
09:00:57Paul_The_NerdNot just official
09:01:02Paul_The_NerdFor example, I could've moved A_M's post there.
09:01:12Paul_The_NerdAnyone can reply to them, but only Developer+ can start a topic there
09:01:24midkayhow do users get the ability to post announcements? "Announcement: I just got my iPod!" -> "Now what are some good hacks to install?"
09:01:34midkayso users can't post announcements... hm..
09:01:37Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Any one of us will be able to move posts there.
09:01:59midkayseems rather limiting on the user, but never mind..
09:02:14Paul_The_NerdWell, you either filter out too many, or too few.
09:02:30BagderI don't see that being any particularly useful idea either
09:02:42midkayforget i said anything.. whatever happens will happen.
09:02:46Bagdersince the announce-threads will be ordinary threads in two hours
09:02:48Paul_The_NerdBe right back. While y'all discuss, I'm shutting down the forums now.
09:02:58Bagderand then they'll be identical to the ones in the plugin forum
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09:03:22sharpeAh. I didn't even realize it was close to closing the forums time...
09:03:35*Bagder runs off to do real work
09:04:01midkayPaul_The_Nerd: what's with the To Be Deleted forum?
09:04:07Paul_The_NerdThat was the "One hour" announcement an hour ago
09:04:22midkayhuh?
09:04:29sharpeOh, right the two am time...
09:04:30Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Most of you don't have the power to delete posts. That's where you can "move" them if you feel that they're horribly outdated and can be removed. Like "OMG THE WIKI IS GONE"
09:05:08midkayalright, because the first one i see in here makes me want to gouge out someone's eyes.. "Rockword for ipod" whose content is "@".
09:05:23sharpemidkay: I moved that one there.
09:05:38midkaysharpe: that's really not interesting.
09:05:58sharpemidkay: I really don't care.
09:06:16scorchePaul_The_Nerd: time for moving first 3 pages yet?
09:06:19midkaysharpe: so why did you say anything? idiot..
09:06:40sharpemidkay: Out of spite.
09:06:58Paul_The_Nerdscorche: It is time, yes.
09:07:29scorchealright...i will take the archos ports =)
09:07:29midkaysharpe: stop directing messages at me..
09:07:44sharpeI'll do some of the iPod posts...
09:08:07Paul_The_NerdI'll tackle general discussion then.
09:08:31midkayi'll go for the x5 boards, then..
09:08:34JdGordonwhich forum is not being tackled? ill get to work
09:08:51midkaywhichever we didn't just list?
09:09:18sharpemidkay: That is completely redundant.
09:09:18Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: H300?
09:09:52midkayPaul_The_Nerd: no redirection topics, i guess?
09:09:58Paul_The_NerdNope
09:10:12*Paul_The_Nerd doesn't want to have to go through and delete 4000 redirection topics later.
09:10:34JdGordondone
09:10:49JdGordonill do ifp also :p
09:10:56sharpeThis is kind of funny for a title... "iPod Nano, Video: Jon_'s "JonBuild" Build"
09:12:08Paul_The_NerdHehehe
09:12:46midkayPaul_The_Nerd: so what about model-specific questions? this one is about USB charging on the X5 and whether it's supported at all or even by rockbox..
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09:13:11Paul_The_NerdHardware.
09:13:15sharpewould it be safe to say, senab's build, has no name?
09:13:23Paul_The_NerdYeah, it's just "Senab's Build"
09:14:07JdGordonyay.. green cvs table. can get back to forum moving stuff
09:14:21sharpeJust making sure, since the only other thing it's called in his post is 'iPod Experimental' and that was discussed about calling everything experimental before...
09:14:48Paul_The_NerdWell, it could be "Senab's Experimental Build" but I think he dropped the experimental
09:16:28scorche<scorche``> Quote from: 1adam12 on February 24, 2006, 09:52:45 AM
09:16:28scorche<scorche``> Thank You for your pleasant response.......This must be the communist forum......................
09:16:28scorche<scorche``> Yes it is. Most communists rename their MP3 tracks with the track number in front. In fact, Lenin often spoke about it in his glory days.
09:16:53Paul_The_NerdI'm putting stuff like discussion of an external TagCache updating program in "General Rockbox Discussion" as it seems to me external software doesn't belong in anything else
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09:19:39midkayi think we need to start going through and adjusting the titles of some of the posts in Hardware to clarify the model..
09:20:06midkaysince they were originally posted in X5/H100/whatever forums the title didn't need to be clear, but now it's a jumble of different models asking inspecific questions.
09:21:07Paul_The_NerdIf you feel like editing topics, it's possible to do while moving them rather easily.
09:21:21Paul_The_NerdI think just adding in the model name, like X5: Original Topic should cover most of it.
09:21:37midkayyes, exactly.
09:22:04JdGordonis anyone watching the new subforums as they get populated?
09:22:14midkaywatching?
09:24:36sharpePaul_The_Nerd: Would you say discussing an idea for a plugin is good enough for the Plugin forum?
09:24:46Paul_The_NerdYes
09:24:46midkay.. why not? where else?
09:24:56midkayPaul_The_Nerd: did you just rename User interface to add "and Voice"?
09:25:04*Paul_The_Nerd renames "Getting Started" to "Getting Started and Compiling"
09:25:05Paul_The_NerdYes
09:25:18midkaycan i ask why?
09:25:22Paul_The_NerdIt is technically the Voice UI.
09:25:28scorcheYeah...i had moved many voice topics there before
09:25:31midkayuser interface kind of .. encompasses voice UI..
09:25:42Paul_The_NerdYeah, but that's not so clear to Joe Average
09:25:50Paul_The_NerdThey might consider it "Audio Playback" for example.
09:26:04midkayhm. alright. :)
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09:27:50Paul_The_NerdLEDs?
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09:27:56JdGordonq's like does rb have mp4... general discussion or playback?
09:27:59Bagderyah, work stuff
09:28:12midkayJdGordon: is that the trash post i moved to "to be deleted"?
09:28:26JdGordonare u in h300 also?
09:28:30scorcheplayback imo...if anything
09:28:38*Bagder writes driver code for a pci controler in linux 2.6 on a mips core
09:28:45midkayJdGordon: no, nm..
09:28:55Paul_The_Nerd"Does Rockbox support <format>?" goes in general discussion.
09:29:05JdGordonk
09:29:10Paul_The_NerdI don't really consider that a question about playback, but rather a question about Rockbox itself.
09:29:18scorcheah...true
09:29:36midkayPaul_The_Nerd: why not audio playback?
09:29:40JdGordonthats what i thought.. jst checking
09:29:43midkayit pertains to what formats of *audio* you can play..
09:29:46Paul_The_NerdHrm.
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09:30:12Paul_The_NerdI think in my head there's a difference between "Can Rockbox do X" and "How do I do X in Rockbox?" one being answered with "You should read the manual" and the second being a valid question.
09:30:24Paul_The_NerdBut... I dunno
09:30:29Paul_The_NerdI guess it is also a question about playback.
09:30:40amiconnHmm. The X5 remote transfer is showing the same frequency limit as the iriver one. Working at 112MHz, not working at 124MHz
09:31:00amiconn(the high-speed routine)
09:31:11JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: i guess you would have done this already if it was... but.. is it possible to turn of auomatically checking the "post a redirctor" checkmark?
09:31:27midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i think rockbox general covers a lot, but i also think "does rockbox support this" is a tad more audio-related than general..
09:31:29Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: I'd have to tweak the PHP code, I think. I'd rather not do that for a minor thing.
09:31:38Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Actually, I think midkay's right. Go with "Playback"
09:31:40JdGordonok
09:31:46amiconnHave to use non-highspeed when boosted then
09:31:46Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yeah, I think you're right actually
09:31:52*scorche coughs
09:31:55midkayPaul_The_Nerd: gotcha..
09:31:57JdGordon... too late.. it will be about 3 pages deep b the im we r done
09:32:02amiconn(roughly half the speed of highspeed, but still faster than cvs)
09:32:05Paul_The_NerdAh well.
09:32:11Paul_The_NerdA few miscategorized old posts is not a big problem
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09:33:07BagderJdGordon: a single space after comma please (in C code)
09:33:32amiconnThe X5 has the remote hooked so that DATA and CLK is on the same GPIO port, which is both good and bad
09:33:58JdGordonBagder: ok
09:34:54Paul_The_Nerd"General Discussion" (the old one) is officially done for the time being.
09:35:00Paul_The_Nerd3 pages of posts moved.
09:35:12Paul_The_NerdI'm moving on to Archos Jukebox Players
09:35:23scorchei am almost doen with that
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09:35:31scorchemove to ondios =)
09:35:35Paul_The_NerdOkay, Ondios
09:36:00JdGordonI have no idea how many i hav moved.. can we have a cut off date to stop with the subforum?
09:36:14JdGordonI'm up to july 27 in h300
09:36:47Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: I was just looking at the last post on the third page before I started.
09:36:47scorcheJdGordon: if your browser supports tabs, it is handy to have the three pages in separate tabs, and then make separate tabs for each topic
09:37:17midkaysomeone else can do the rest of X5. :)
09:37:27midkay*officially gives up*
09:37:27midkaybrb.
09:37:28Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: For H300, July 27 will work. That's when the oldest one to be moves is in H100
09:37:34Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: How far did you have left?
09:37:45midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i moved like.. 20 maybe.. i don't know. :)
09:37:53Paul_The_NerdIt's hard for someone to take over for you...
09:37:58midkayPaul_The_Nerd: why?
09:38:10midkayah..
09:38:16JdGordonI think ive mooved about 35 threads from h300.. and im cold so brb
09:38:28midkayi probably did around one page.
09:39:05Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: It's 20 per page, unless you've changed the default
09:39:12Paul_The_NerdOur goal is 60 per forum, I suppose.
09:39:48JdGordon:'( 3 pages doe sound excessi tho... having a cut off date is nicer
09:40:20sharpePaul_The_Nerd: Hmm. What about a post about a new build, that I've already moved to the unsupported builds forum? maybe merge the two?
09:40:48Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Merging is good.
09:41:13Paul_The_NerdA cutoff date makes a little more sense, I suppose.
09:41:29Cho03Hi guys. I'm trying to restore my apple firmware on my ipod. but to do that, i need to format the ipod.
09:41:32Cho03right clicking the disk in my computer wont work, and using the command prompt doesnt either.
09:41:35Paul_The_NerdOkay, for now, nothing newer than July 01 '06 in any "Old" forums
09:41:36scorchewe will be moving those pages anyway
09:42:06JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: ok
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09:45:00scorchePaul_The_Nerd: are you also doing recorders?...i noticed your name as viewing
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09:46:31scorcheok..moving to ipod mini
09:46:47Paul_The_NerdWell, now that we have a date, it doesn't matter *too* much
09:46:52Paul_The_NerdWhere people are, that is.
09:47:09sharpehmm. should audio skipping while scrolling, go in audio, or user interface...?
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09:47:22scorchewell, when you are in the process of moving a topic, and another is as well, we can better make use of the efort somewhere else
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09:47:46scorchesharpe: playback
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09:47:55Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Definitely playback
09:48:12sharpesounds good to me.
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09:52:42JdGordonwhere are we putting feature requests again? geenrl discussion?
09:52:57JdGordon(this keyboard is terrible.. hence my horrible spelling today)
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09:53:35sharpewell. i believe i'm going to be going.
09:54:01JdGordonsure... bail on us....
09:54:02Bg3rJdGordon: haha
09:54:19Bg3rhorrible than usual ? :D
09:54:21Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Feature requests are categorized depending on what they are.
09:54:23Bg3rmore ...
09:54:28Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: If it's a request for a plugin, "Plugins", etc.
09:54:29Bagderhttp://download.rockbox.org/useful/
09:54:30sharpeJdGordon: :) I did move posts before the forums were locked... a lot, actually...
09:54:35Bagderthe midi patch set
09:54:39Paul_The_NerdBagder: Thankee
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09:54:56linuxstbBagder: So everything else on download.rockbox.org is useless?
09:54:59midkayPaul_The_Nerd: battery life concerns?
09:55:06Bagderlinuxstb: yeps, just rubbish
09:55:07scorchePaul_The_Nerd: curious, do you already have the stickys prepared?
09:55:22sharpewell, i'm off. goodnight everyone.
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09:55:27JdGordonits called arcasm sharpe :p
09:56:01Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: "hardware"
09:56:29daurn|laptopmidkay: do you have medios?
09:56:40Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Stickies prepared?
09:56:43Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Oh, no.
09:56:51midkaydaurn|laptop: do i "have" it? like it's hard to get, or like i even have something to run it on?
09:56:55scorcheick...
09:57:03daurn|laptoplike you have something to run it on
09:57:12daurn|laptop - and use it (at least once a onth)
09:57:12daurn|laptop:P
09:57:21midkayneither.
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09:57:34daurn|laptopso.... why the archopen idling
09:58:01midkaydo you have rockbox?
09:58:06daurn|laptopno
09:58:12midkayso why the rockbox idling?
09:58:16daurn|laptopcause i'm in the progress of porting it
09:58:21midkaybecause i can, is my answer. and because i used to be a member of the team..
09:58:40daurn|laptopdon't get so touchy :S
09:58:42midkaybefore it was called medios or archopen and before you came along..
09:58:48daurn|laptoplinav?
09:58:59midkayi don't even see why you'd ask.. what's it matter where I idle? *shrugs*
09:59:02midkayyes.
09:59:25JdGordonyay! h300 is done.. latest post is june 30
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10:03:06Cho03hey guys, can i get some help reformatting my ipod?
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10:03:38Paul_The_NerdCho03: You never explained your problem. "It doesn't work when I do X" doesn't tell us what it's doing, at all.
10:03:54linuxstbWhat's the button called on the H300 that brings up the menu? The button define is called BUTTON_MODE, but on my H140 it's labeled A-B...
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10:04:30midkayPaul_The_Nerd: a post about the alarm on X5?
10:04:44JdGordonlinuxstb
10:04:55JdGordonits mode in the cod but labeld a-b on both
10:05:11JdGordoncode*
10:05:18midkaymode in the code?
10:05:22midkaycode in the cod? what?
10:05:22midkay:)
10:05:23Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Isn't the alarm a feature of the RTC? If so, I'd say hardware.
10:05:40Paul_The_NerdIf it's alarm in the sense of waking up the unit from powerdown, like I hear some players can.
10:05:43midkayPaul_The_Nerd: it is, but it's just a matter of porting the Rockbox alarm functionality..
10:06:31Paul_The_NerdI think it's still hardware since it relates to a particular chip.
10:06:37midkayalright.
10:06:54Cho03paul: im sorry. i was resetting the ipod to refresh the tag cache in rockbox. i did that a couple times. it then showed the apple symbol, and instead of booting, it showed a sreen "use itunes to restore"
10:07:34Cho03nothing on the computer recognizes the ipod
10:07:47Paul_The_NerdDoes it show up as a disk?
10:07:53Cho03yes
10:07:59Paul_The_NerdWhat happens when you double click on it?
10:08:05JdGordonhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5938.0 ??
10:08:25Cho03it asks me to insert the disk
10:08:55Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: General for now. Anything that could be interpreted as questions about the website, which that one MIGHT be, go in General
10:09:08Paul_The_NerdCho03: But it only shows up in My Computer when it's plugged in?
10:09:25Cho03yes, you cannot access the drive
10:09:52Paul_The_NerdI didn't ask about "accessing the drive"
10:10:08Cho03i meant yes it shows up in my computer.
10:10:27Paul_The_NerdYes when it's plugged in, or yes to always?
10:10:46Cho03yes when it is plugged in
10:11:10Paul_The_NerdAnd if you right click on it, there's no format option?
10:11:14LinusNCho03: how about using the Disk Management section in the Computer Management app in the control panel??
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10:11:49Cho03paul: there is no format option
10:12:03Cho03linusn: ill take a look
10:12:13JdGordonok, i gotta go fo a while.. ttyl
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10:12:56linuxstbCho03: How did you reboot your ipod when trying to setup tagcache? Did you shutdown cleanly (long press on PLAY), or did you reset (holding MENU+SELECT).
10:13:19Cho03omg. i did MENU+SELECT
10:13:52*Paul_The_Nerd notes that yet another person apparently didn't read the manual.
10:14:01Cho03lol
10:14:07Cho03i have read parts of the manual
10:14:17Cho03proabably not that one though
10:14:24Paul_The_Nerd"The Controls"?
10:14:33Paul_The_NerdOr whatever the basic control section may be called.
10:14:38midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i'm giving up on the X5 forums at July 24, at least for a bit - i want to do some topic title clarification on some of the boards.. since we've lumped everything together for Hardware things need a lot of clarification.
10:14:48Cho03yeah i have read that one
10:14:48linuxstbMaybe we should do the same as the Archos devices - detect when a user is holding MENU+SELECT and initiate a shutdown.
10:14:58Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: That's fine.
10:15:10midkayk, thx.
10:15:23Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I'm not *too* concerned about old topics, since really even with the one month cutoff a lot of these won't ever get read again, but clarification is nice.
10:15:29*Paul_The_Nerd will be enforcing it on new posts though.
10:15:37midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i mean for ones that are already moved..
10:15:54Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yeah, but I consider those "old" just in the sense of, prior to today.
10:16:01midkayah, alright.
10:16:06scorchePaul_The_Nerd: speaking of enforcing it, do you want to start on the stickies, while i finish moving?
10:16:20Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Yeah, I'll start on the stickies, and if there's still moving to be done, come back for it
10:16:32*Paul_The_Nerd has actually erased TWO old boards.
10:16:45Cho03hmm, disk management doesnt detect the ipod
10:16:47midkayPaul_The_Nerd: can you tell where a topic was moved from?
10:16:52firenxis there a good help file or anything out there on setting up rockbox and idoom / other .wad games?
10:17:11midkaythis one has no indication in the title or posts where it came from or what model it's for. the only hint i have is that it pertains to FM radio, so it's like h100/h300/X5/fmr..
10:17:21scorchemidkay: link?
10:17:48midkayhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5852.0
10:18:23scorche"I use iriver H1xx."
10:18:38midkayof course.
10:18:42midkayi was just testing you..
10:18:49midkaywell done.
10:19:15midkaygah: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5718.0
10:19:25midkay(1) the colors in the first post. haha. (2) bigmac's reply.
10:20:05linuxstbJust modify it and remove the colours...
10:20:20scorchei have seen some much more creative use of both fonts AND colors
10:20:23midkayi don't mind them, just laughing..
10:20:30scorcheforgot where i moved that one though
10:20:34midkayscorche: sure, but i thought it was rather pathetic in its own way.
10:20:45scorchewell, as with anything Bigmac posted...
10:20:57midkay"Im new to this" - what a nice topic title..
10:21:44crwlum, are forums now (mostly) unreadable for users not logged in?
10:22:02preglowlinuxstb: any luck on your two core shenanigans?
10:22:05Paul_The_Nerdcrwl: They're mostly unreadable for logged in users as well.
10:22:16Paul_The_Nerdcrwl: If you actually read the most recent Announcement, you'd know why.
10:22:19crwlPaul_The_Nerd, oh, great, no problem then ;)
10:23:12linuxstbpreglow: No, I haven't looked at that yet.. I'm hoping dan_a will be able to clean up and commit some of his code first.
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10:25:38dan_alinuxstb, preglow: I should have some time tonight to do some work on it (for the first time in a couple of weeks)
10:27:41linuxstbdan_a: That's good... Can the thread running on the COP use the normal kernel functions like sleep() and yield()? Does your code support multiple threads on the COP?
10:28:53dan_alinuxstb: Yes to both.
10:29:57mirak2hi
10:30:25preglowdepends how many of them are threadsafe, though
10:30:35dan_aThere is a complete kernel running on the second core, and switch_thread() runs on each core.
10:30:57dan_apreglow: what threads might not be threadsafe?
10:37:05dan_aThere may be special requirements to run threads that communicate between the cores (because of cache concurrency) but once I've got the work I've done so far committed, I'll have a think about ways to work around that.
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10:39:02scorchePaul_The_Nerd: can you also say that audio playback is the place for playlist related items?
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10:41:08webguest28Hi, what happened to lostlogic? He used to be one of the most active developers.
10:41:36LinusNhe was a rogue agent, so we shut him down
10:41:47LinusN:-)
10:42:00scorchePaul_The_Nerd: also, with archos installation, it applies for flashing of the device as well
10:42:07LinusNi guess Real Life(tm) caught up with him
10:42:14webguest28LinusN: and seriously? Is he doing well?
10:43:09webguest28LinusN: I think we should write an abstraction layer so that the real life can't do anything :-)
10:43:10scorchePaul_The_Nerd: also, about how the formats are in specific forums
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10:45:15Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Formats?
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10:46:28scorchePaul_The_Nerd: as in <name of target>: <name of person>'s "<name of build>"
10:47:06scorcheor <target>: <hardware problem/rest of topic>
10:47:16Paul_The_NerdOk
10:47:24Paul_The_NerdMy brain's a wee bit frazzled. I'll go do that.
10:47:29bluebrotherPaul_The_Nerd: is it indented when not logged in that I can only see the "Announcements" in the forums?
10:47:44scorchebluebrother: yes
10:47:56bluebrotheroh. Why that?
10:48:00scorchebluebrother: moving of the forums to the new format
10:48:17Paul_The_Nerdbluebrother: Read the top announcement. :-P
10:48:30bluebrotherah, ok. Missed exactly _that_ announcement. Sorry.
10:49:42scorchePaul_The_Nerd: does tagcache belong in ui?
10:49:49scorches/doesnt/does
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10:50:27Paul_The_Nerdscorche: TagCache seems iffy to me.
10:50:38Paul_The_NerdI think it goes in Playback, since many "playback" bugs will actually be metadata
10:50:47scorchewell, it IS a "view mode"
10:50:51Paul_The_NerdAnd TagCache is essentially now very tied to metadata handling.
10:51:07scorcheand, i have been putting tagcache questions in ui so far...
10:51:14Paul_The_NerdMmm..
10:51:15Paul_The_NerdOkay.
10:51:17Paul_The_NerdUI iti s.
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10:51:25LinusNwe should really consider calling it something else that "tag cache"
10:51:32Bagderamen
10:52:01Bagderit isn't a cache
10:52:15LinusNi fail to see what makes it a cache in the first place
10:53:01Paul_The_NerdWe should just call it "Song Database"
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10:53:41LinusNro simply "Database", since it could very well be audiobooks etc
10:53:51LinusNand not songs
10:54:03Bagderright, but 'database' is a bit too generic
10:54:08Bagderin case we add more databases
10:54:16LinusN"Tag database"?
10:54:23Bagderlike dircache being a database too...
10:54:33LinusNhehe
10:54:51Paul_The_NerdWe should decide a few more things about what it's going to do before we rename it.
10:55:41Paul_The_NerdSince it could be used rather handily for managing podcasts on a player, and other such duties.
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10:57:17LinusN"Metadata database" is probably good, but it sounds a little too technical
10:57:32scorchebut, fun to say =)
10:57:48Bagdermetabase!
10:57:50*Bagder runs
10:58:09Paul_The_NerdAnd that assumes it'll only ever handle metadata. It currently handles untagged songs, as well as now tracking unplayed songs and such, right?
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11:04:30Bagder"track database" then
11:05:15Paul_The_NerdI'm actually okay with Metadata database. It's just, with the organization features it offers, it feels like more than that.
11:05:52*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
11:06:17scorcheit is a tounge twister too
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11:10:27scorchePaul_The_Nerd: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5370.0 <~~~hardware?
11:10:51tucozI think track database sounds good
11:11:25Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Hardware
11:11:38tucozdidn't anyone suggest rockbase, datarock or something like that? In that case, marvelous ;(
11:11:42tucoz;) I mean
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11:12:40Paul_The_NerdI was tempted to suggest Metabox.
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11:15:13Cometehi all
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11:16:33tucozhello
11:16:47Cometei wonder if the iriver IFP support was still active ?
11:17:25Cometei'm fed up with my IFP 799 original firmware
11:17:36markunComete: someone's working on it
11:18:11preglowit's being worked slowly on
11:18:19Cometethis player could be very good with Rockbox
11:18:21preglowhe could definitely use more help
11:18:29preglowit's not the easiest port either
11:18:46Cometepreglow: what kind of help does he need ?
11:19:00Cometei'm not developper but if i can help
11:19:18preglowComete: developer help being what he needs, yes, hehe
11:19:28preglowbut yes, i'm strongly in favour of renaming tagcache
11:19:35preglowwhat does other firmwares call it?
11:20:30Paul_The_Nerd"Database View"?
11:21:01scorche"The Only View We Have"?
11:22:12Cometepreglow: he could write a little article on a popular opensource webzine to talk about this port and ask some help ?
11:25:51tucozComete, you can read this mail for info. http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-08/0079.shtml
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11:28:13tucozthe iriver fw calls the feature that enables the db 'db-scan'
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11:32:35Cometetucoz: ok thanks
11:35:47scorchewow....this guy makes two posts in this thread with "lol" being the only text in them...
11:37:38Paul_The_NerdWhich guy is this?
11:38:17scorcheapparently, someone moved it before i did... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5951.0
11:39:07amiconnBagder: Btw, what's the supposed sort order of the cvs build table? It's neither alphabetical, nor by cpu arch, nor in rockbox support order...
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11:39:19Bagderit is alpha
11:39:25Bagderbut I hide parts of the name ;-)
11:39:42Bagderso the archos ones come first but I don't display "archos"
11:40:01Bagderfor space reasons
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11:45:37midkaythe archoses are listed alphabetically, the iaudio is simply.. the iaudio.. the ipods are by generation (oldest->newest) and the irivers are alphabetically as well. :)
11:46:04Bagderthey're all alpha
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11:47:12Bagderits just that their names aren't always very good
11:47:56midkayalpha?
11:48:33Bagderalphabetically
11:48:45midkayah, i see...
11:48:55scorchemidkay: the mini 1g came out before the photo as well
11:49:08midkayi thought you meant the sorting system was in alpha stages.. which wouldn't make much sense. :)
11:49:13midkayscorche: whatever..
11:50:14amiconnBagder: Alphabetically with the manuf. in front woul dplace Apple before Archos...
11:51:27amiconn...but I understand how the sorting works now
11:51:50BagderI don't care much for which order it ends up with
11:52:55Paul_The_NerdThe forums are DOWN and I still get random PMs asking me things.
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11:56:09Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Could I ask a favor?
11:56:14scorchePaul_The_Nerd: two more pages of "iPod Video / 5th Generation", and we should be done
11:56:15scorchesure
11:56:27Paul_The_NerdI was gonna say, focus on 5G
11:56:53scorchewell, all others have been till either 3 pages back or july 1st
11:56:58scorcheso, that is the last one
11:56:59Paul_The_NerdYeah
11:57:20Paul_The_NerdI'm going to reopen the forums now, because I have to go for a little while. It's 5AM and I need to be somewhere soon.
11:57:35Paul_The_NerdIf you don't finish 5G, I don't think the world will end, but it'd be nice if you could manage. And thanks for the help.
11:57:41Paul_The_NerdI'll move more posts arbitrarily once I get back.
11:57:53scorchealright...i will likely get those 2 pages done and end it there (i am burnt out for the night)
11:58:38Paul_The_NerdThanks again for all the help
11:59:00preglowgagag
11:59:22Paul_The_NerdGagag?
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11:59:57Jungti1234hi
11:59:59Paul_The_NerdHehehe
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12:02:50Paul_The_NerdOkay, the forums are officially reopened, if not completely done.
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12:17:19qwm:)
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12:18:53JdGordondoes anyone know how to make vim convert tabs to 4 spaces?
12:19:02Bg3ryep
12:19:17Bg3rset expandtab
12:19:17Bg3rset tabstop=4
12:19:17Bg3rset encoding=latin1
12:19:17DBUGEnqueued KICK Bg3r
12:19:17Bg3rset fileencoding=latin1
12:19:21Bg3rthis is my .vimrc
12:19:34JdGordonlatin1 is utf8?
12:19:46Bg3riso-8859-1
12:20:25JdGordoncheers
12:21:02markunI wouldn't mind using UTF-8 in the source code too
12:23:19Bg3rJdGordon:
12:23:24Bg3ruse retab
12:23:25Bg3r:retab
12:23:40Bg3rto change the existing tabs to <"tabstop" value> spaces
12:23:55Bg3r(i just saw it in the vim's help :P)
12:23:57JdGordonta
12:24:05JdGordonwhich is the command so it uses lighter colours?
12:24:17JdGordoni know there is one but i cant rmemeberr what it is :'(
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12:24:43Bg3rcolorscheme ...
12:24:43Bg3r?
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12:25:20JdGordonbackground=dark :)
12:25:28kloshi, does rockbox support .cue files in Mixes ?
12:25:44JdGordonno
12:26:02kloshm is it planned to be supported in future
12:26:35klosi think this is an essential in mp3, but no mp3 player or firmware builder does support it yet
12:26:36klos:(
12:26:38scorcheklos: there has been discussion about it, but no verdict has been reached yet
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12:27:03klosok thx
12:27:03scorcheklos: once i find and move the thread, i will link you
12:27:11klos:P
12:27:21midkayscorche: no verdict?..
12:27:26midkayyou mean nobody's coded it.
12:27:32linuxstb_klos: Why is cue support "essential" ? Rockbox can play back mp3 files gaplessly, so you can just encode your mix to separate files.
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12:28:03*JdGordon reckons que is "more important" than mpegplayer... seen as rockbox is a audio player first....
12:28:04klosyea but i do encode my mix cd with eac which does creat one mp3 file and a cue file
12:28:12*JdGordon also knows why que isnt done so shuts up
12:28:13scorchemidkay: that too...but, well, see linuxstb_'s response
12:28:20preglowklos: tell it not to, then
12:28:28klosalso its the better soltuion to record it to cd again because you can easily burn an image and wont have any gaps etc
12:28:39preglowif it's done properly, you won't have any gaps anyway
12:28:59nudelynif you want to write back to audio cd you're better off with a lossless format
12:29:04midkayscorche: so linuxstb happens to say that we can sort of work around it and you use that as a reason for your message?.. why would we discuss it and say "we don't know if we want it or not"? if somebody codes it, so be it..
12:29:05linuxstb_You'll have bigger problems than gaps if you like to go from CD -> MP3 -> CD
12:29:09klosimho i think thats the better soltuin
12:29:18preglowyes, but still
12:29:22preglowthere will be problems with cue support
12:29:25preglowlike exact mp3 seeking
12:29:35scorcheklos: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2817.0
12:29:36preglowit's not trivial
12:29:40preglowso it hasn't happened yet
12:29:43klosok preglow
12:29:45klosthx
12:30:02nudelynnot trivial and has zero advantages, except for fewer files, over 1 file per track
12:30:11scorchemidkay: stop picking every little thing...i am not in the mood for it
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12:30:49linuxstb_midkay: I would say cue files are generally used to workaround the fact that very few players do gapless - not that gapless is a workaround for not supporting cues.
12:30:51midkayscorche: alright.
12:31:26nudelynheh, even fewer players support .cue files than gapless :)
12:31:57klosyea because it snot that popular
12:31:58midkaylinuxstb_: i wouldn't say "cue support is a workaround for gapless" or vice-versa, they're both different. having both would be optimal. we were talking about cue support though, and you happen to mention that gapless works similarly, i was just pointing out that you said that after scorche's messages..
12:32:11linuxstb_nudelyn: I also mean that people encode to a single long file to get around gappy players.
12:32:23nudelynagreed
12:32:44linuxstb_midkay: You said "so linuxstb happens to say that we can sort of work around it" - I'm just saying that I don't think of what I said as a workaround, but the better solution.
12:33:01klosthe facts is that old mp3 sites suggest to rip using eac and also suggest to encode live mixes and mix cd using the cue file
12:33:14midkaylinuxstb_: i don't really care for either, i'd say gapless is a workaround for cue support *when the user wants cue support specifically*.
12:33:23klosdue to these gaps. at all i aggee to it because it doent make any sense on a mix cd to have a single file
12:33:24midkayjust like cue support would be a workaround for gapless if that's what the user wanted.
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12:33:38linuxstb_midkay: Whatever... But don't misquote me.
12:33:41midkayregardless, i was pressed for time and wrote something quickly to convey the idea. i don't think it's a workaround in general.
12:33:50midkaylinuxstb_: misquote? i didn't quote you at all.
12:33:54SoapMany current sites still suggest EAC, it still works perfectly, and still produces proper logs.
12:34:19qwmlinuxstb_: how's the video player progressing?
12:34:34preglowi'd like cue supprt, but not much enough to code it
12:34:45markunqwm: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/PluginMpegplayer?rev1=11;rev2=10
12:34:48nudelynEAC is great. But EAC can produce separate tracks as well (and does by default).
12:34:57qwmthanks markun
12:35:09klosanyone knows if ipodlinux does support cue files ?
12:35:48Soap#ipodlinux would know
12:36:23klos:)
12:36:38midkaylinuxstb_: were you going to back up the "don't misquote me" claim or have we got an agreement that you weren't?
12:36:57klosok thx guys, friendly nice support here
12:37:00klosbye
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12:38:12markunmidkay: perhaps "linuxstb happens to say that we can sort of work around it"
12:38:37midkaymarkun: how is that a quote? there are no quotation marks and quite clearly no direct quoting...
12:39:36markunIs it called a paraphrase?
12:39:50midkaysomething like that, right.
12:40:10midkaylinuxstb you stated something that all in all meant we could give the net result of cue support without it actually being cue support, thus a workaround, no?
12:40:13midkay-you
12:41:13BagderI'd say cue support is the workaround for not having gapless
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12:41:42midkayBagder: but if a users wants - this one is a quote - CUE support. wouldn't gapless be a workaround for that? even if it is the better method.
12:41:46linuxstb_midkay: I've got better things to do than argue semantics... All I'm saying is that I didn't call anything a workaround. Please lets move on.
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12:42:01Bagdermidkay: perhaps
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12:42:11freqmodHello, does anybody know where the contacts and the hold button is for ipod mini ( freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ipmini.ink.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ipmini.ink.svg )
12:42:17midkaylinuxstb_: sure - i just hope it's clear that i didn't intend to say you called it a workaround. i called it a workaround for a feature we don't have, even if it isn't really a workaround at all.
12:42:31linuxstb_OK.. :)
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12:43:07midkaylinuxstb_: hooray, a mutual agreement :)
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12:46:18JdGordongrr.... how do u do global replace in vim?? i cant remmebr :'(
12:46:29JdGordonisnt it g/old/new?
12:46:30preglowfreqmod: didn't valin say something about the current arm assembler routines in speex not being usable?
12:46:56freqmodno, it was only the cookbook (for encoding) for armv4
12:47:06Bg3rJdGordon: %s/
12:47:16Bg3r%s/old/new/gc
12:47:25Bg3rg - global, more than 1 occurance on a line
12:47:28Bg3rc - confirm each
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12:48:30preglowi actually think the MULT_16_32 macros can be made faster on arm by a single parameter switch
12:48:48freqmodI am using the rest of the arm assembly (which works)
12:49:08JdGordonah, thanks bg3r
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12:49:27Bg3rfor nothing;)
12:49:54freqmodMULT_16_32 has assembly instructions available for arm5>=
12:50:22preglowMULT16_32 has asm even for arm4
12:51:23freqmodok, i tried to find it, but was lost
12:51:28preglowthat's where we can gain a few cycles simply by switching %2 and %3
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12:52:09preglowi think arm7tdmi does early termination on the last argument, and since one of the arguments will always be 16 bits, we can take advantage of that
12:53:25amiconnfreqmod: The hold switch is where you placed it. The headphone jack is at the top right, with the remote contacts next to it
12:53:40freqmodamiconn: ok
12:53:49amiconnThe proprietary connector is centered at the bottom
12:55:49freqmodlike this? (updated the svg image)
12:56:23preglowfreqmod: btw, i think it's probably better to define ARM4_ASM somewhere instead of checking for CPU_ARM in the speex code
12:56:27preglowthe less we need to modify the code, the better
12:56:50amiconnfreqmod: The bottom plug should be centered. Headphone is ok now
12:57:04freqmodok, define it in arch.h (it is where it should be defined), and check if it is enabled all places
12:57:04amiconnI'm not sure about the hold switch orientation, can check tonight
12:57:08*freqmod has centered it
12:57:35amiconnHmm, somehow I got an intermediate version first
12:58:56preglowhmm, is long-term prediction always used in speex?
12:59:31freqmodpreglow: don't know
12:59:44preglowinner_prod can probably be made Very efficient with the emac
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13:00:46preglowand lucky me, looks like it's used all over the place
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13:00:56freqmodI was looking for asm instructions in http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DUI0068B_ADS1_2_Assembler.pdf
13:01:32qwmoh man, my penis is numb. :o
13:02:00preglowpost pictures
13:02:08amiconnJdGordon: I didn't check out your latest commit, but in the build I am running on recorder the Off-Off shutdown in the tre is broken
13:02:30qwmpreglow: if only i had a camera in my possession.
13:02:35amiconns/tre/tree/
13:02:37qwmdon't think it shows anyway.
13:02:56qwmlooks a little "whiter" than usual though.
13:03:48preglowfreqmod: there's a doc floating around that's better than that
13:03:56qwmone thing that has always annoyed me is the fact that the penis has more skin pigmentation than the rest of the skin.
13:05:02Mikachuwtf
13:05:36preglowqwm: you need to find new stuff to be annoyed about
13:06:27qwmgive me suggestions. i'm open-minded.
13:06:32preglowqwm: the rectum
13:06:45preglowfreqmod: i've got a hunch speex will really benefit from the emac
13:06:48qwmum, let's not go *there*.
13:06:56preglowqwm: you said open-minded
13:07:00scorcheqwm: i thought you like going *there*
13:07:01freqmodgood to hear :)
13:07:17preglowstuff like inner_prod
13:07:22qwmbut the rectum is close-minded, it just wants to be shut.. unless the muscle's damaged.
13:07:27preglowit'll bloody blaze along
13:07:39JdGordonamiconn: ok, ill check it out
13:07:49Bagderqwm: please drop this crap talk
13:07:59preglowqwm: sorry, but the only off-topic banter i'm willing to engage in here is beer-related
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13:08:42JdGordoniv got a patch to stop action lists automatically chaing to context_std done, except it just changes all the current maps to chain to it anyway, do i bother commiting it?
13:08:53tucozfreqmod, I take it for granted that the images you made are ok to use in the manual.
13:09:10tucozbut I want to make sure in any case
13:09:23amiconnJdGordon: I'd say commit it, then we can work from there
13:09:39JdGordonk
13:09:40amiconnThe good thing is that it saves code while keeping the list lengths the same
13:10:17freqmodyes, use it in the manual, and on the dowload page (and everywhere else you want) (but I won't help you if Apple sues you over the design ;) )
13:10:19amiconnAnd it's more straightforward for the coder as it does less things behind the scene
13:11:20tucozfreqmod, argh. No apple protection included.
13:11:23qwmanyone wanna join my cross-dressing anonymous rockbox user group?
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13:12:07scorcheerrrr..
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13:12:14scorchebah..nvm...i screwed it up
13:13:09qwmwind can be rather powerful you know.
13:13:17qwmjust look at tornados and hurricanes.
13:13:23*preglow flips switches
13:13:34*scorche turns knobs
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13:14:24scorcheso i hear..
13:14:31midkayfor all we know the cross-dressing group is legit.
13:14:32Bagderyou hear the leds?
13:14:36scorchebut, we were discussing methods of input...
13:14:39aliaskpreglow: I want to thank you for that comment about being in rockbox for the chicks - I actually cracked up laughing when reading the logs. Made my IT class.
13:14:41midkayyet dongs is sitting here happily. something's wrong with this world.
13:14:48*amiconn flips datalines
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13:15:40preglowaliask: hahaha
13:16:44JdGordonamiconn: double-click off anywhere is supposed to turn the reocrder off?
13:16:47*firenx is bored, does drugs.
13:17:10amiconnJdGordon: No, only in the tree
13:17:38JdGordonoh ok.. that simplifies things a bit then :D
13:17:40amiconnThe first press used to pop up the splash, the second press triggered shutdown
13:17:52*qwm had too strong coffee and feels awful
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13:18:16amiconn..unless the charger was connected. Then the first press popped up the charging splash,
13:18:35qwmand i wish i could find chantarelles.. chantarelles should be genetically modified to include a GPS for each fruiting body.
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13:19:04amiconnand holding Off also shows either splash
13:19:07freqmodWhat is wrong / is there anything wrong with this 3g ipod freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ip3g.ink.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ip3g.ink.svg ?
13:19:29amiconnThe recorder can't be shut down as long as the charger is connected, hence the 2 splashes
13:19:29midkayfreqmod: Menu is offcenter.
13:19:29midkay:p
13:19:47qwmwhat the hell.
13:19:47preglowoooh, fancy-ass
13:19:52midkayamiconn: IMO it should go to the charging screen when off is held. when it's connected..
13:19:58freqmodis it offcenter in the drawing or in the ipod?
13:20:02*JdGordon wonders why cvs is telling him he doesnt have permission to commit.. even tho i definatly did log in!
13:20:05midkayin the drawing, the text.
13:20:20*midkay is going to bed.
13:20:22midkaynight all.
13:20:24amiconnmidkay: Imho the charging screen could be removed.
13:20:34midkayamiconn: hm, maybe..
13:20:37midkay*shrugs*
13:20:45midkaygot to sleep anyways.. laters.
13:21:01amiconnThen we could remove the car adapter mode setting
13:21:03JdGordondo i need to do co as my user to be able to commit? even if i did the login cmd as me?
13:21:11qwmnatti midkay
13:21:30dan_afreqmod: I think the headphone socket should be in the centre, and the hold switch on the other side. I'll check when I get home.
13:21:31amiconnJdGordon: You can't commit from an anonymous checkout
13:21:35freqmodis it offcenter on this rendering too, if so in which direction? freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/tmpshot7.png">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/tmpshot7.png
13:21:41JdGordonah ok
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13:22:39*freqmod has reupploaded a fix where the cable is in the center and the hold swich on the right side
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13:23:55*freqmod will release all rights on the drawings (except that you can't pretend it is your own work)
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13:26:12tucozfreqmod, wouldn't images used in the manual also be under the GFDL?
13:26:58freqmodwell yea, ok no problem, my "license" compiles with gfdl i think, and if not you may release it under gfdl.
13:27:20scorchei am off also...g'night channel
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13:28:01tucozok, cool.
13:28:40tucozbbl
13:28:44JdGordonyay! 3rd time lucky :p
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13:39:18freqmodWhat is written at the left side of the screen on the iaudio x5?
13:39:50daurn|laptopwhen/
13:39:58freqmodand what are the controls in the "wheel" at the front, and the controls on the right side?
13:41:08freqmod(current) freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/iax5.ink.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/iax5.ink.svg
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13:53:04preglowfreqmod: i think the headphone plugs in on the side on the x5
13:53:42freqmodfound http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/archive/00619/2iaudiox5_30gb_619653f.jpg
13:54:09preglowyeah, you can see the socket on the side there
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13:58:26amiconnfreqmod: The text at the left is "COLOR SOUND"
13:58:44freqmodcould somebody (with an iaudio x5) take a picture of the right side (where the buttons are)
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14:00:17freqmodiax5 updated
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14:04:50*amiconn forgot to bring his X5 for scanning :/
14:05:39freqmodwell, ok the x5 is as finished as i can make it without knowing the right side buttons.
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14:06:19amiconnThe size relation between lcd and the whole front is off...
14:06:43amiconnfreqmod: You don't need to do the archoses; pixelma is working on these
14:07:10freqmodok, doing the iriver h340
14:07:38freqmodchanged the x5 font
14:07:40freqmodsize
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14:13:35firenxman i love rockbox.. where did it all start out from
14:14:27preglowswedish madmen coding wanting a better firmware for archos mp3 players
14:14:32preglows/coding//
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14:22:22linuxstb_firenx: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html
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14:26:27*freqmod thinks iriver should have emploied apple designers, they are much more minimalistic, which results in much less work ;)
14:26:44mirak2happy evening
14:27:52*pixelma is with freqmod ;)
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14:30:51freqmodi won't create all the gradients required for the buttons (i think), anybody is free to do it (when I am finished)
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14:35:32linuxstb_freqmod: Don't complain about the iriver designers - at least they know the value of having a reasonable number of buttons... :)
14:37:01freqmodmany buttons are good for rockbox, it confuses the users however... (and makes more work for vector design rippers)
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14:37:35Mikachustrange button combos are also confusing
14:37:47nudelynit's nice to be able to adjust volume while in a menu, though... sigh
14:38:00nudelynapple took it too far imo
14:38:24Mikachuif you could call the quickscreen from the menus, that would be solved
14:38:25linuxstb_freqmod: But surely a "stop" button wouldn't be too much to ask...
14:38:37Mikachuis Play used in the menu for ipods?
14:38:39*Mikachu tries
14:38:46nudelynplay goes to the WPS menu
14:38:54nudelyner, non-menu :)
14:38:58nudelynscreen, that's the word
14:39:00Mikachunot when you're in the menu
14:39:08Mikachui can already reach the quickscreen from the filebrowser
14:39:42nudelynnot after startup when no track is playing... which is often when i want to adjust the volume (e.g. i'm now in the office, and don't want the track to play at the loud volume that i was listening to on the train)
14:39:59freqmodthat is the difference between specially made firmwares and all around firmwares like rockbox, speclially created firmwares has more modes and uses all buttons everywhere
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14:40:19Mikachui am of course assuming you apply my change that lets you use the wheel to adjust volume in the quickscreen at all times
14:41:38nudelyni haven't seen that. interesting. i'm still using an ancient verison of RB TBH because I dont' want to be without album art and the ancient version kinda works, and I can't be bothered keeping up with the album art patch until it's more stable or in CVS
14:42:07Mikachui don't think i've submitted it, or it got voted down
14:42:19linuxstb_Mikachu: I've never heard of it...
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14:43:30JdGordonhas the builds stopped again or is tupid IE being stupoid?
14:43:45Mikachuthis is possibly a stupid question
14:43:54Mikachuwhy do the actions have the context they're in in their define?
14:44:04linuxstb_JdGordon: Yes, it looks that way...
14:44:15linuxstb_Bagder: Build problems...
14:44:20Mikachuwhy not just ACTION_PLAY?
14:44:25JdGordonhmm... i thought Bagder fixed it so they arent supposed to crash anymore?
14:44:31JdGordonMikachu: where?
14:44:36Mikachuanywhere
14:44:40BagderJdGordon: its in progress
14:44:41linuxstb_everywhere...
14:45:27BagderI'm currently just verifying that my script has everything it needs to do starting automatically
14:45:27JdGordonbecause not everything really is "global".. i.e some stuff is just for one screen
14:45:31Mikachuif i want to make an action to change volume in the quickscreen, do i need to make a new ACTION_QS_VOLUP or can i just use ACTION_WPS_VOLUP?
14:45:32Bagderand that the build is restarted
14:45:47Bagderand it seems it works
14:45:56JdGordon:)
14:46:19Bagderso I'll just have to add the "check for hanging build" logic to a script and kill the build if it seems to hang
14:46:23JdGordonMikachu: making a new one would probably work best.. up to you... if it works on all targets then use WPS
14:46:39Mikachuokay
14:47:05*JdGordon appologises for adding some colour to the table... compile log must have gone too fast on my comp :p
14:47:36*Bagder hands JdGordon his 32 points on a plate
14:47:37MikachuJdGordon: which context is used for menus, std?
14:48:29jhMikeSpcm_record.c is only used on coldfire? Are all the other non-coldfire targets hardware codec?
14:48:43JdGordonmidkay: not 100% sure... should be menu but you'd have to check the code
14:48:44BagderjhMikeS: only archos is hwcodec
14:48:52linuxstb_jhMikeS: I've been working on ipod recording, and that's in pcm_record.c at the moment...
14:48:59linuxstb_(just locally, not in CVS yet)
14:49:04jhMikeS#if defined(CPU_COLDFIRE) && !defined(SIMULATOR)
14:49:04jhMikeSpcm_record.c
14:49:04jhMikeS#endif
14:49:10jhMikeSfrom sources
14:49:12JdGordonwho is Marcoen Hirschberg ?
14:49:14LinusNpcm_record.c is only used on coldfire, because the coldfire platform is the only swcodec so far that can record
14:49:29jhMikeSok
14:49:33freqmodfreqmod.dyndns.org/upload/irh340.ink.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/irh340.ink.svg (it looks a little flat and childish)
14:49:36MikachuJdGordon: i just realized the code has to check for the action too :)
14:49:42*linuxstb_ suspects his ipod recording tree is badly broken by recent CVS changes...
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14:50:42freqmodand what is writtten at the left of the screen "Multi codec ???" - is it "Multi codec digital audio player"?
14:51:08tucozfreqmod, on my h120 it says MULTI-CODEC JUKEBOX
14:51:14freqmodok
14:51:30freqmodin capital letters?
14:51:33tucozyes
14:52:05Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DeviceChart/h140.jpg
14:52:07tucozMay I ask why the h340 svg is 767K large?
14:52:12JdGordonmarkun is the gigabeat guy ye?
14:52:15Bagdershows the text clearly
14:52:33markunJdGordon: yes
14:52:41tucozwhile the others are around ~20K
14:52:57JdGordonyour keymap file may not work as expected.... i changed the way LAST_ACTION_LIST works...
14:52:59freqmodbecause neither opera nor ksvg supported patterns so i created duplicate squares to make the background pattern
14:53:14jhMikeSLinusN: That recording patch works after modifying it but with a couple hitches: Going fast to the rec screen with voice menus on will hang it (voice hangs alot anway), sometimes you get a dupe filename (dupe seemed to disappear after reboot so maybe dircache?), when playing back the recorded files the prog. bar and playtime stop about 2s from the end.
14:54:45markunJdGordon: chris was working on the gigabeat keymap file. But because it was broken again I used the iriver file as a template.
14:54:53markunDid I use an older version?
14:55:10markunJdGordon: s/chris/hotwire/
14:55:17pixelmabtw.. tucoz: http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/Player_colours.svg and updated http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/Recorder_colours.svg
14:55:20JdGordonye, i did a commit about 90min ago which invalidated it
14:55:30JdGordonits a very easy change tho..
14:55:57JdGordonalso the (c) notice in keymap-gigapeat is to me.. not you :p
14:55:58markunJdGordon: can you fix it?
14:56:03JdGordonye, ok
14:57:24Mikachuhm, now i can go to the quickscreen from the menu, but when i return, the menu uses the button click from exiting the quickscreen
14:57:44JdGordonaction_signalscreenchange()
14:57:49Mikachui tried that
14:57:54LinusNjhMikeS: care to update the patch in the tracker?
14:58:00*JdGordon has to do a wiki page asap :p
14:58:08JdGordonMikachu: and it didnt work?
14:58:19JdGordons/?/!
14:58:20Mikachunope
14:58:31Mikachui may have done something wrong though
14:58:39Mikachuand the menu code has some funky button callbacks too
14:58:56*freqmod does iHP-140
14:59:15Mikachuhttp://pastebot.openbox.org/2
14:59:19JdGordonmarkun: fixed
14:59:23markunthanks
14:59:46MikachuJdGordon: does that look right?
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15:00:49JdGordonit looks right..
15:01:21theli_uaanyone has idea why i can get error: ‘struct plugin_api’ has no member named ‘pcm_play_stop’ ?
15:01:37MikachuJdGordon: the quickscreen exits on _release_ of the select button so i don't see how that action can make it back to the menu
15:01:39JdGordoncoz it has no member pcm_play_stop ? :P
15:02:01MikachuJdGordon: but it's possible it's related to any of the other 100 changes i've made :)
15:02:16theli_uaJdGordon, well it definitly has
15:02:25JdGordoncan you show me the quick_Screen_quick function unless you havnt changed it?
15:02:39JdGordontheli_ua: its not #ifdef'ed out?
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15:03:04theli_uaJdGordon, idefd in SWCODEC ... i'm trying to build in iPod mini sim
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15:03:12MikachuJdGordon: haven't changed that one
15:03:27jhMikeSLinusN: I'm not quite ready for that...want to add fmrecord and do some recording related housekeeping first. I hope you don't mind.
15:03:43JdGordontheli_ua: i dunno.. i was actually just being a msart ass.. sorry..
15:03:48JdGordonMikachu: which file is it in?
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15:04:18linuxstb_theli_ua: It's also surrounded by #ifndef SIMULATOR...
15:04:27theli_uao.. :(
15:04:40linuxstb_But I'm not sure why - we should try and make it work in the sim.
15:04:54theli_uathnx linustb, btw have you seen latest patch i've uploaded? (seemed to clean out all warnings)
15:05:25JdGordonMikachu: side note... will quick_screen_quick be happy with BUTTON_NONE as button_enter?
15:05:36linuxstb_You could just try enabling it for the sim, and see what happens... pcm_play_data is implemented for the sim in uisimulator/sdl/sound.c
15:05:38Mikachui don't know exactly
15:05:51MikachuJdGordon: but i can't say what button was used for it since i only know what action got triggered in the end?
15:05:53linuxstb_theli_ua: No, I haven't had chance yet.
15:06:01MikachuJdGordon: or should i give the action?
15:06:18*Mikachu tries
15:06:21JdGordonMikachu: iirc quickscreen do_button should be working with actions now.. not buttons..
15:06:46JdGordonye, it works on actions now
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15:07:06Mikachuputting key instead of BUTTON_NONE there only made it so i have to press select twice to exit, and then it fires the menu entry anyway
15:07:20Mikachubutton_none and action_none are the same anyway right?
15:07:25JdGordonyes
15:08:00JdGordonchange it to ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN.. the qs code doesnt look like it will be happy with button_none
15:08:26JdGordoni doubt that will solve your problem tho
15:08:31Mikachui just said it didn't :)
15:08:50*JdGordon had the window half covered :p
15:09:02mirak2in idct there is a shift donne to adjust the precision of the number calculated since that's fixed point computing. Does anyone knows what is the rule used to preserve the precision ?
15:09:04Mikachucould the problem be the qs exits on button release instead of button press?
15:09:15tucozpixelma, thanks
15:09:17Mikachuthe screenchange only seems to stop repeats, not releases
15:09:39JdGordonit shuoldnt be, because the screenchange function should still work
15:10:18Mikachuit sets last_button to BUTTON_NONE unconditionally and the keymap has STD_OK with a prereq of BUTTON_SELECT so i don't see how it is even triggered
15:10:25lorijhohey guys
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15:10:46lorijhohow comes that I cannot checkout rockbox-all or rockbox-devel ??
15:10:53JdGordonMikachu: silly q.. but have you tried doing a full make bin again?
15:11:06jhMikeSI'm also wondering if FM radio recording ought to be done just through the recording screen and not the FM radio screen at all at least on targets where that makes some sense.
15:11:08Mikachuyeah but what i haven't tried is cvs update
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15:11:23JdGordonthat shuoldnt matter i would think
15:15:00*JdGordon is stumped...
15:15:03lorijhoThe wiki says that there are aliases like rockbox-all and rockbox-devel, what's the command to co them ?
15:15:30lorijhoI especially need to get the bootloader tree to for H10 developpment
15:15:37MikachuJdGordon: have you tried it?
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15:16:00JdGordonMikachu: no, my computer isnt really compilable atm...
15:16:08Mikachuah
15:16:43jhMikeSNo opinions about that?
15:17:29JdGordon2 more emerges and i should be able to move upstaris to my comp where i can sdl and compile for the target...
15:17:55dan_alorijho: What have you done so far? Have you been following any specific instructions?
15:18:28lorijhohi dan_a
15:18:30JdGordonMikachu: what target?
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15:18:42JdGordonit might be a probme of the keymap file.. not the code
15:18:54lorijhodan_a: I followed UsingCVS on the wiki
15:19:19lorijhodan_a: The following works: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox
15:19:55lorijhoI thought rockbox-all would co everything with bootloader and simulator code but it doesn't check it out
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15:20:16JdGordonMikachu: ok, found the problem.... it is the keymap file... (unless youve canged it) std_cancel from qs is _MENU not _MENU|REL
15:20:19crashd hmm, is there any reported problems with charging an ipod 5g from a socket from within rockbox?
15:20:26lorijhodan_a: I invoke this ?? -> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox-all co rockbox-everything
15:20:46JdGordonalso screenchange() should be catching the _REL event..
15:21:04Mikachuwell, i have changed it, but to _SELECT, not |REL
15:21:11Mikachuso i'll try adding that
15:21:22barrywardelllorijho: no doa cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel
15:21:40lorijhobarrywardell: thx
15:21:51lorijhoI know svn better
15:22:30barrywardelllorijho: are you interested in working on the H10?
15:22:33linuxstb_crashd: The main problem is that Rockbox can't detect the difference between a USB connection to a computer and a USB connection to a wall socket, so it reboots to disk mode in both cases (unless you explicitly tell Rockbox not to reboot when you insert a USB cable).
15:23:18MikachuJdGordon: in context_standard, ACTION_STD_OK is BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REL, BUT, the prereq isn't BUTTON_SELECT
15:23:23MikachuJdGordon: is that on purpose or mistake?
15:23:27crashdlinuxstb_: yeah, i was in china and thought i wouldnt be able to charge it, but i figured if you boot to original firmware you can charge it from there
15:24:06lorijhobarrywardell: Yeah, I own a H10 6GB and I'm a CS student so I thought I might give it a try. H10 needs Rockbox badly I think. The Iriver firmware is weak
15:24:06Mikachuchanging that didn't help of course...
15:24:28Bagderlorijho: and the H10 Rockbox project needs you! ;-)
15:25:03barrywardelllorijho: great. we welcome all the help we can get
15:25:18JdGordonMikachu: its OK either way.. it just means without the SELECT prereq it will trigger after a repeat action
15:25:23lorijhoBagder: I have some experience in NASM and C++ I hope to be able to understand the developpment of rockbox
15:25:28JdGordonand damn:p
15:25:29MikachuJdGordon: i see
15:25:51Bagderlorijho: there's a learning curve, but there's lots of people around to ask and code to read
15:26:07jhMikeSok then, since i can't get any valuable input, i'll just do what _I_ want then−− take it or leave it. sorry for the attitude.
15:26:08barrywardelllorijho: the lcd stuff for the H10 in the CVS at the moment probably won't work on the 6GB
15:26:46lorijhoYeah I read that the lcd code is for the 20GB for now
15:27:16barrywardellit should be easily adapted to the 6GB's screen though
15:27:26lorijhobarrywardell: so the only difference is that the LCD is turned 90 degrees
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15:27:39barrywardellno, more than that
15:27:48barrywardellit's a different size and different controller
15:28:04barrywardell20GB is 160x128, 6GB is 128x128
15:28:05lorijhobarrywardell: ok
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15:28:52lorijhobarrywardell: Is there a dev manual for the 5/6GB LCD ?
15:28:53barrywardellaccessing the lcd can probably be done the same way, but the commands might be different
15:29:36barrywardellI think it's it's a TL1771
15:29:47lorijhobarrywardell: I have successfully set up the cross compiling env for arm
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15:30:31barrywardellI found this: http://www.zettlerelectronics.nl/pdf/tftmodules/ampire/AM128128R.pdf#search=%22am128128r.pdf%22
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15:31:30freqmodfreqmod.dyndns.org/upload/iph-140.ink.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/iph-140.ink.svg
15:31:39barrywardelllorijho: It's a different LCD but it has the instructions there on page 15
15:32:27lorijhobarrywardell: I'm reading it now...
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15:34:19barrywardelllorijho: actually, looking at it now, it seems to be the same as the ipod nano
15:35:30linuxstb_jhMikeS: Regarding your FM recording question - the recording people (Mmmm, Petur) are obviously not around at the moment. There was also a brief discussion about FM and recording a couple of days ago - check the IRC logs. You need to catch the right people...
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15:37:46lorijhobarrywardell: where is the lcd code fir ipod nano in the source tree ?
15:38:04lorijhobarrywardell: for comparision to the pdf manual
15:38:17barrywardelllorijho: looking closer again, it's the same as the H10 too. you may be able to just edit firmware/export/config-h10_5gb.h and change LCD_WIDTH to 128
15:38:20markunfreqmod: nice
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15:38:53Bg3ris this license compatible with GPL ? http://www.opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license.php
15:39:18delmonicohi :) I just fscked my rockbox - I tried some X5 themes and after switching from HiPodDark to HiPod, I can't use the menu any more - while the WPS works (using HiPod light theme), the menu only shows the HiPod-Black background with no text...
15:39:28barrywardelllorijho: the nano lcd code is in firmware/drivers/lcd-ipod.c (second half of the file); h10 lcd code is in firmware/export/arm/iriver/h10/lcd-h10.c
15:39:45delmonicoBg3r: go to the license list at gnu.org - you should find the info there
15:39:51freqmoddelmonico: try to reset your settings (anyone: how to do that on x5?)
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15:40:42lorijhobarrywardell: LCD_WITH 128 is already in firmware/export/config-h10_5gb.h
15:40:56delmonicoyep, I can't find a settings file... greped for HiPod and WPS in the .rockbox dir, but that doesn't find me a useful file
15:41:20jhMikeSlinuxstb_: Thanks. I'm don't yet know who all the people are for what thing so It's not really obvious to me. I myself seem to be working and kindly requested to work on just about everything under the sun. I know Mmmm and Petur do the recording stuff but I thought surely others could have some ideas or involvement too.
15:42:05BrianHVon the "Background noise" line of http://www.roox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison, the colors don't match up with the Yes/No
15:42:22freqmoddelmonico: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5-20060821.pdf p 44
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15:43:10delmonicofreqmod: thanks, but it describes the codepage setting?
15:43:16barrywardelllorijho: ha ha. true. then maybe the lcd driver will just work as it is now
15:43:17BrianHVoh, I think I get it now. never mind.
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15:43:30freqmodi know, the reference (from an other page in the manual) was wrong
15:45:39delmonicookay, i deleted the backdrop image from dark theme, this works
15:45:40*barrywardell is not thinking straight today
15:45:44delmonicothanks anyway :)
15:47:00freqmodThey who have written the iaudiox5 manual: where is the resetting of settings described in chapter 6.4, referenced from page 12 (section 2.5)?
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15:49:18linuxstb_Bg3r: I'm pretty sure that license is incompatible - there seem to be too many extra restrictions on what you can do with the code. But as delmonico said, best to try and find an official GNU statement if you can.
15:49:27lorijhobarrywardell: How to build the bootloader for 5/6GB ?
15:50:00linuxstb_jhMikeS: Did you find the discussion in the irc logs?
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15:50:33jhMikeSFor one thing I'm trying to simplify the use of recording APIs for SWCODEC so that the details can be hidden from the UI code. It's terrible to see all that #if ...SWCODEC lying around in UI code. Both radio.c and recording.c share pretty much the same code.
15:50:38barrywardelllorijho: make a new directory inside rockbox-devel. cd into it. run ../tools/configure. Select 24, then b for bootloader. then make
15:50:51jhMikeSlinuxstb_: Was busy I'll look now.
15:50:59linuxstb_jhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060818.txt starting at around 13:06
15:51:14barrywardelllorijho: it creates a H10.mi4 file which you can copy to your player's System directory
15:51:45lorijhobarrywardell: thx
15:51:52barrywardelllorijho: but make a backup the the mi4 file that's there already
15:52:11lorijhobarrywardell: sure :)
15:54:00linuxstb_jhMikeS: Sorry, that discussion was much briefer than I remembered... But I think the idea was to make the FM screen handle recording from FM - which is how it works on hwcodec.
15:54:39tucozamiconn, around?
15:54:39Bg3rlinuxstb: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#ArtisticLicense
15:55:26tucozamiconn, I wonder what we should call the on button on the recorders. In the image in the current manual, we call it menu. But we call it On in the text
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15:57:18tucozSame thing with the one marked as Off. It's called Stop now, but shouldn't we call it Off instead (as that is what is printed on the button)
15:57:46jhMikeSlinuxstb_: Well...I see...I'm not sure I agree with that. Added another recording source: "fm radio". The apis in pcm_record.c should handle setting the muxes correctly. You just tell it what source to use: mic, line-in, [spdif], [fmradio]...
15:58:21linuxstb_Yes, but then how do you adjust the radio parameters? e.g. switch the tuner from mono to stereo, or adjust the tuning/
15:58:22lorijhobarrywardell: make produces error for main.c FLASH_ENTRYPOINT, GPIO1_*, BUTTON_REC etc.. undeclared
15:58:22linuxstb_?
15:58:23Bagdertucoz: I think they should be called On and Off as much as possible as that's what marks on the buttons say
15:58:43jhMikeSYou can't use the more advanced buttons available on the record screen on the radio screen unless the buttons are modal for recording.
15:58:55tucozYes. I think we can agree on that. I guess there is a reason to why they were renamed to menu and stop in the past
15:59:07LinusNjhMikeS: i think we should support noth
15:59:08LinusNboth
15:59:24freqmodmaybe we should design the manual pictures with the button names used in the manual
15:59:26jhMikeSLinusN: both what? recording in either manner?
15:59:40LinusNa simple recording mode in the fm screen, and an advanced one in the recording screen
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16:00:20tucozfreqmod, yes. That is a simple change. However, the old 2.4 manual had the buttons marked as Menu and Stop (while the print on the buttons is On and Off)
16:00:48LinusNwell, on the FM recorder the ON button is marked as both
16:01:12barrywardelllorijho: i'll look into that now
16:01:19jhMikeSLinusN: That where I took it in my head as well...but I think things should be consistent regarding starting a new file...short presses on record for both screens.
16:01:20LinusNthe button has "ON" engraved on the button, with the test "Menu" beside it
16:01:37LinusNiirc
16:01:45Bagderno
16:01:49lorijhobarrywardell: I invoke PATH=~/build/rockbox/cross-compiler/arm-elf/bin:$PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/build/rockbox/cross-compiler/arm-elf/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ../tools/configure and the same for make
16:01:49Bagdernot my recorder at least
16:02:01theli_uawhat type of buffer wants rb->pcm_play_data? 16 bit stereo?
16:02:04LinusNBagder: i didn't know you had an FM recorder
16:02:10Bagderoops
16:02:29*Bagder shuts up and goes to the corner. "must learn to read"
16:02:42tucozLinusN, ah. That is the case for the FM recorders
16:02:50LinusNand V2
16:03:25tucozok. So, what do you think? Call the buttons On and Off on the old recorder, and Menu Stop on the v2/fm?
16:03:47tucozor even On/Menu, Off/Stop
16:05:11preglowBagder: so, how's that "let's kill player" mail coming along? :>
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16:05:31Bagderah forgot that
16:06:10barrywardelllorijho: look in bootloader/SOURCES
16:06:22*preglow directs his anti cod shield against amiconn
16:06:46LinusN"Player must die"
16:06:49barrywardelllorijho: add || defined(IRIVER_H10_20GC) to the #elif defined(IRIVER_H10) line
16:06:57lorijhobarrywardell: I see there's no h10_5gb target specfied right ?
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16:07:20lorijhobarrywardell: I see there's no h10_5gb target specfied right ?
16:07:31lorijhobarrywardell: oh ok I'll add it
16:07:45MmmmjhMikeS: I reckon you should be able to flip between the radio and recording screen at the press of a button
16:08:00LinusNthat would be nice
16:08:00barrywardelllorijho: that should have been || defined(IRIVER_H10_5GB)
16:08:06jhMikeSThat's stronger motivation to have audio_init_recording subsume the details instead of carry out the same lengthy procedure used in both screens to set it up. I've also condensed the audio format details (labels, codecs [now relative path], rec extension) into a single array and saved at least 100 bytes.
16:08:11*barrywardell is really not thinking straight today
16:08:30lorijhobarrywardell: nevermind I knew what you meant to write :)
16:08:36LinusNgtg
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16:08:43freqmodbutton annotations on ipod nano: freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ipnoanno.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/ipnoanno.svg
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16:08:50linuxstb_theli_ua: Yes, I think pcm_play_data() requires 16-bit, signed, host-endian, interleaved stereo samples. Also, ipods only accept 44.1KHz at the moment (but should accept more), Coldfire targets can only handle 44.1KHz, 22.05KHz and 11.025KHz.
16:08:59preglowurg
16:09:13preglowi'm not looking forward to that :>
16:09:24lorijhobarrywardell: you commit that change later ?
16:09:27linuxstb_preglow: To what?
16:09:36preglowlinuxstb_: supporting several sample rates internally
16:09:52linuxstb_I guess no-one is, which is why it isn't done.
16:10:00barrywardelllorijho: if you check it and it works, I will
16:10:05preglowi'll need to dig up another spare register in the crossfeed routine for that
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16:10:12preglowsince the delay no longer is fixed size
16:10:13theli_ualinuxstb_, how can i convert byte[size] array of 8b mono sound buff to what pcm_play_data can accept?
16:10:27preglowtheli_ua: signed or unsigned?
16:10:37theli_uasigned i guess
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16:10:49linuxstb_theli_ua: Can you change the code so it generates 16-bit signed stereo data instead?
16:10:49preglowtheli_ua: if signed, you just set the upper byte of the 16 bit value to the 8 bit value, and the lower one to 0
16:10:50tucozfreqmod, you do not have to make the button assignments. I am on that task
16:11:18preglowif unsigned, you need to bias the value by -128 first
16:11:21theli_uapreglow, whats about mono/stereo stuff?
16:11:34preglowtheli_ua: just duplicate the data for both channels if you need to pass stereo
16:11:57tucozhowever, another thing that needs to be fixed is the Rockbox-logo svg found in the frontpage directory. The box part is gray, but should be slightly blue
16:11:58freqmodok, that was only an example
16:12:21lorijhobarrywardell: Couldn't find mi4code. So I'll have to build mi4code seperately. It's not in rockbox cvs ?
16:12:37barrywardelllorijho: yes, you need mi4code in your $PATH
16:12:38freqmodfrontpage directory in cvs?
16:12:46tucozyes. in the manual directory
16:12:54Mmmm[HO]vo|t: I committed the patch I asked you to test. I decided it would be easier if I just forced everybody to test it! :D
16:12:55jhMikeSMmmm: That occured to me too. Need your valuable input to decide what approach to set up and do it correctly now! :) Saves much work later.
16:13:05barrywardelllorijho: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4code.html
16:13:19freqmodahh, and maybe we should put the rockbox logo's on the lcd screens of the targets
16:13:21lorijhobarrywardell: thx
16:13:45MmmmjhMikeS: I think this would be best, then the radio screen can just be for the radio (no recording functionality)
16:14:00jhMikeSMmmm: What players were using recording on the fmradio screen anyway?
16:14:17Mmmmall hardware..Ondio, Recorder
16:15:29freqmodwas it the yellow colour that was wrong?
16:17:27jhMikeSMmmm: I suppose adding the screen flip for recording to swcodec would be the easiest approch now. I can't test the hw ones anyway.
16:17:29lorijhobarrywardell: H10.mi4 built successfully. Giving it a try now, let's just hope it won't kill the player :)
16:18:30tucozfreqmod, no. The gray 'box' is supposed to be blueish
16:18:33MmmmjhMikeS: I agree...
16:18:37barrywardelllorijho: good luck. it shouldn't damage the player. it only accesses the lcd
16:18:55tucozfreqmod, may I ask how you made the arrows?
16:18:57jhMikeSMmmm: I suppose the screens should be able to flip to each other? if you select source: fm radio, should the radio start? Now that its started should you be able to flip to it?
16:19:05linuxstb_barrywardell: Where's your H10 at the moment? :)
16:19:10lorijhobarrywardell: yeah that shouldn't do harm
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16:20:59freqmodin inkscape the fill and borders dialog 3 page (borderstyle) (don't really know the english original names, uses no transl)
16:22:07tucozthanks. That is fill and stroke in english
16:22:36MmmmjhMikeS: Yes, definitely flip between both or it solves none of the problems. Source: fmradio-> start radio is good and if you go into the radio screen and then flip to recording set source to FMradio
16:23:16freqmodtucoz: some renderers KSVG & opera has some problems with arrows
16:23:39tucozoh. wierd. Well, as long as latex can handle it, I am happy
16:23:40tucoz:)
16:23:45freqmodRockbox correct yellow (from the image on the front page) and a bluer blue, based on the image from the frontpage freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rockboxlogo3.svg">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rockboxlogo3.svg
16:24:16MmmmjhMikeS: also changing source to anything other than fmradio must switch off the radio.
16:24:16tucozcool. thanks
16:24:36lorijhobarrywardell: after unmounting the device the h10 says "System File Missing"
16:24:50freqmodis the blue blue enough?
16:25:08barrywardelllorijho: ah. that means it doesn't recognise the mi4 file
16:27:19barrywardelllorijho: can you get the original H10.mi4 file from your player and decrypt it? when you do, tell me what decryption key mi4code uses
16:27:42lorijhobarrywardell: k just a sec
16:28:11tucozI would say so
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16:30:10lorijhobarrywardell: Decrypted ok with key 'default' (20d36cc0 10e8c07d c0e7dcaa 107eb080)
16:30:13linuxstb_amiconn: (or anyone else) does the MAS PCM playback code work on the Player?
16:31:32Bg3rlinuxstb: according to this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginWavplay - no
16:32:08barrywardelllorijho: try making the H10.mi4 manually: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10Port#Running_Custom_Code
16:32:33jhMikeSMmmm: yes, of course. But how should the screen flip be done? By menu or button assignment?
16:32:40barrywardellbut use H10.mi4 for the final filename, and default instead of 20gc_eng
16:32:54lorijhobarrywardell: ok
16:32:54MmmmjhMikeS: definitely button
16:33:39MmmmjhMikeS: god knows which ones on the x5 but we'll figure something out
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16:34:54jhMikeSMmmm: Any ideas? Buttons run scarce! Only thing left on fmradio was long record for x5 I think and you've got everything used up for the record screen.
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16:37:06MmmmjhMikeS: how about a combi? Power and record?
16:37:11jhMikeSMmmm: I need enough there to at least get the radio to record to make sure the framework functions.
16:37:34barrywardelllorijho: I think I just found the problem
16:37:46jhMikeSMmmm: Power+record would be a strain on x5 since the power switch is a slide switch. *ouch*
16:38:00barrywardelllorijho: when doing the build part, use -2 instead of -3
16:38:34barrywardelllorijho: you probably also don't need to do the sign part
16:38:40amiconnlinuxstb: No, the pcm codec requires a MASF core. The player has a MASD core only (MAS3507D)
16:39:18MmmmjhMikeS: oh yeah...hmmm you cant combi any others, so maybe a menu option would be the only way...or both if there are enough buttons
16:39:27jhMikeSMmmm: easy ones for x5: rec+play, rec+select <== I like that one
16:39:28lorijhobarrywardell: I'll try that
16:39:58MmmmjhM you can only combi with the on button unfortunately! :(
16:40:33jhMikeSMmmm: You'll pull tendons with that on x5 :)
16:40:33amiconntucoz: The ON button has always been called ON, in the code as well as in the manual
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16:42:19tucozamiconn, not here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-recorder/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-160003.1
16:42:42tucoznote that that image is from the 2.4 manual
16:43:20amiconntucoz: Hmm, note that this is an fm/v2.
16:43:27tucozyes. I know
16:43:35*amiconn presumes v1 when someone just says 'Recorder'
16:43:51tucozBut I do not think there were a screenshot of the v1 in that manual
16:43:55amiconnThe fm/v2 has alternate texts written next to the ON and OFF buttons
16:44:14amiconnI'd say these buttons should only be called ON and OFF
16:44:22tucozAnyway. We can call the buttons On and Off for the v1, and On/Menu Off/Stop for the v2/fm?
16:44:23jhMikeSMmmm: I can do a menu item to get it going.
16:44:48tucozor what do you think?
16:44:56amiconntucoz: That would be possible, but somewhat misleading. Rockbox never uses ON for menus. F1 is our menu button
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16:45:19MmmmjhMikeS: yeah, do that for starters
16:45:21tucozaha
16:45:29tucozgood point
16:46:05lorijhobarrywardell: The same "system file missing" error appears
16:46:23lorijhobarrywardell: mi4code sign says "Nothing to do" btw
16:46:57jhMikeSMmmm: If you entered recording from FM, then it should exit to FM, no?
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16:47:43amiconnjhMikeS: Imho it's more convenient to record directly from the radio screen instead of switching to the recording screen first
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16:48:19MmmmjhMikeS: I thought that it woukd be best if you only entered the FM screen if you selected the menu item
16:48:40jhMikeSamiconn: But you don't get all the control you get with the recording screen. We want a way to be able use all recording features for FM.
16:48:56MmmmjhMikeS: so exiting rec screen should be same as it is now
16:49:02amiconnHow would you handle prerecording then?
16:50:08amiconnswcodec targets don't support it yet, but on the archoses with radio the recording hardware is initialised, and if prerecording is enabled you can record your favourite song even if it already started
16:50:18amiconn(up to 30 seconds backbuffer)
16:50:39barrywardelllorijho: hmmm. what's the md5sum of you're built H10.mi4?
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16:50:46jhMikeSMmmm: Otherwise, selecting FM from just the rec screen should start the radio but not leave it going when you leave it.
16:51:34Mmmmamiconn: so you'd have to initialise the recording in radio for software too, just all the recording controls are in the recording screen
16:51:50amiconnWhy would you need the recording controls?
16:52:02Mmmmto change gain etc
16:52:11amiconnThe input is fixed (line) and the level is also (nearly) fixed
16:52:31Mmmmnot on sw targets!
16:52:41amiconnI mean for radio
16:53:08amiconnThe radio is hooked up to the line input of the adc (with a mux), and the level can be fixed for radio
16:53:09lorijhobarrywardell: 2627235954e9e87b6309166e0a428ba3 H10.unsigned.mi4
16:53:10jhMikeSI'm just saying, lets get it started off well. We'd have to be buffering radio all the time just in case someone wants to prerecord, right?
16:53:25amiconnjhMikeS: That's why prerecording is an option
16:53:44amiconnThe recording settings can be reached from the radio screen menu
16:53:56barrywardelllorijho: that's strange. It's different than one I built here
16:54:02amiconn(w/o showing the input setting)
16:54:32lorijhobarrywardell: do you mean the one built by make or the manually built one ?
16:54:45barrywardelllorijho: manually built
16:54:59jhMikeSamiconn: Ok...I hadn't yet gone into detail yet. Yes...i know they can, but it's not yet available on the x5. I think we're not going to do recording directly from the FM radio screen for SWCODEC though.
16:55:39lorijhobarrywardell: mi4code build -2 bootloader.bin bootloader.mi4
16:55:48jhMikeSamiconn: If you want to record...just flip it over (easy access menu item for now) to recording screen and record.
16:55:57amiconnjhMikeS: How do you plan to handle prerecording then?
16:56:07lorijhobarrywardell: mi4code encrypt bootloader.mi4 H10.unsigned.mi4 default
16:56:14amiconnImho prerecording is more useful for fm than for anything else
16:56:30lorijhobarrywardell: 2627235954e9e87b6309166e0a428ba3 H10.unsigned.mi4
16:56:56jhMikeSamiconn: I suppose if that's enabled, we'll just have recording initialized in the bg but not visibly.
16:57:10amiconnhmm...
16:57:12barrywardelllorijho: yes, I did exactly the same but get a different md5sum. strange
16:57:38barrywardelllorijho: when you copy H10.unsigned.mi4 to your player, did you make sure to name it H10.mi4?
16:57:40lorijhobarrywardell: d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e H10.signed.mi4
16:58:06jhMikeSI just want to see it record a frickin' bit of radio first! =:)
16:58:37barrywardelllorijho: yes, I get that for the signed one
16:59:21barrywardelllorijho: as a quick test, can you decrypt the original H10.mi4, then encrypt it again and see if it works on your player?
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17:01:06lorijhobarrywardell: H10.signed.mi4 is 0 bytes !!
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17:01:33Mikachuit's useful to know the md5sum for \0 :)
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17:02:06barrywardelllorijho: ah
17:02:16lorijhobarrywardell: scambled screen with "Hello World" on the first line :)))
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17:02:20lorijhobarrywardell: it worked
17:02:20MmmmjhMikeS: if you want to leave the radio on couldnt you first flick to the radio screen and then exit that?
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17:03:20barrywardelllorijho: great. what did you do differently?
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17:04:11lorijhoI used the unsigned mi4 this time, it's rather obvious that a 0 byte firmware isn't really a firmware :)
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17:04:36lorijhobarrywardell: I used the unsigned mi4 this time, it's rather obvious that a 0 byte firmware isn't really a firmware :)
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17:05:41lorijhobarrywardell: I used the unsigned mi4 this time, it's rather obvious that a 0 byte firmware isn't really a firmware :)
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17:05:44jhMikeSMmmm: That's one way I though about...just leave the radio on and go to the rec. But that makes it complicated to get the rec from the radio.
17:06:19barrywardelllorijho: ah, ok that makes sense. I'll fix up the code in cvs now
17:06:21MmmmjhMikeS: that's how it works on the iriver at the moment
17:06:26lorijhobarrywardell: great
17:06:39barrywardellit's great that the lcd code works just as well on the 5gb
17:07:04lorijhobarrywardell: it sure is !
17:07:49barrywardelland to have another person working on H10 and Rockbox!
17:07:56Bagdernice work guys
17:09:21lorijhobarrywardell: you're the man! I just hope I can contribute as much as my knowledge allows me to
17:11:59lorijhobarrywardell: I gotta run. I'll be back later
17:12:06lorijhoBagder: cu
17:12:18barrywardellBagder: I'm not very good with shell scripts. Can you update mkmi4.sh to use -2 in the build phase and not do signing when building for
17:12:23barrywardell5GB H10?
17:12:37barrywardellbye lorijho. see you later
17:12:46Bagderbarrywardell: sure
17:13:39barrywardellBagder: and add || defined(IRIVER_H10_5GB) to bootloader/SOURCES line 7 for the same CVS commit?
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17:14:19jhMikeSMmmm: ok...so, what, you set line in as the source for fm recording while radio is on? Probably works on x5 too already then. It needs an "FM Radio" source to be right which I've added. I think I can create a sensible scheme now.
17:14:52MmmmjhMikeS: that's right...
17:15:24Mmmmbut make sure that 'line in' doesnt work anymore too!
17:15:30Bagderbarrywardell: done
17:16:01jhMikeSMmmm: Selecting the source will set the right muxes for that source now.
17:18:19barrywardellthanks Bagder
17:18:42Bagderbarrywardell: I'll let you do the testing of that ;-)
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17:20:06XavierGrThe new forum layout is sweet!
17:23:23dan_aThe next stage towards dual-core working is just about ready for committing - I just need to check that it actually works.
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17:24:43jhMikeSI've got it basically worked out in my head now. Thanks.
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17:28:02jhMikeSIn fact a quick access to the record screen should work the same as the long way.
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17:30:51markundaurn|laptop: how's it going with your port?
17:30:51dan_aDoes anybody know which ports don't have HAVE_LCD_BITMAP defined?
17:31:13linuxstb_dan_a: Maybe none soon... Just the Archos Player at the moment.
17:32:15linuxstb_dan_a: Will your next commit make it possible for me to start a video decoding thread on the COP?
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17:32:38*jhMikeS has to resync the record stuff to CVS almost everyday B-/, replay gain, spdif, etc.
17:33:18*jhMikeS meant AGC not replay gain
17:35:33dan_alinuxstb_: No, not yet. It will make it possible for you to use the API for dual-core threads though, so you can do the coding for dual-core and as soon as it is properly supported your code will magically start working
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17:36:47dan_aThough I'm hoping to get more useful work done this evening as well
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18:45:25tucozfreqmod, do you want your nick or your real name along with the commits?
18:47:10tucozah. you are already in the credits list :) then I guess it doesn't matter
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19:12:46AggortHELP lol
19:13:04AggortI am using Rockbox on nano and keep receiving a DIRBuffer full error
19:13:15Aggortonly 400 files will show up
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19:14:57linuxstb_Aggort: Increase the "Max files in Dir Browser" setting...
19:15:18AggortI jsut read that ina froums post
19:15:28Aggortbut it said something about less room
19:15:32Aggortand less battery life?
19:15:59AggortAnyway, I think it's ok because I am going to divide my music up by artist
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19:29:32scottderWow $250 for the 8GB Sandisk player...nice...
19:29:41scottderso, how far along is rockbox for that thing :)
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19:36:05*dan_a does a commit and watches the build table like a hawk
19:36:39lorijhobarrywardell: I checked the building of the bootloader here, make now builds a correct firmware for 5gb
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19:38:12barrywardelllorijho: great, is that with the changes in cvs Bagder did?
19:38:22lorijhoyep
19:41:58barrywardellhmm. I wonder what the next step should be...
19:42:12lorijhobarrywardell: figuring out the slider button?
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19:43:21barrywardellyes, that would be good to work on
19:43:35barrywardellthere's a chance it could work similarly to the ipod's
19:43:51barrywardelleverything else in the H10 seems similar to the ipod
19:44:24barrywardellthe ipod code is in firmware/drivers/button.c
19:44:40lorijhobarrywardell: are you on jabber/icq or similar ??
19:45:19barrywardelllorijho: msn and google talk
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19:45:52lorijhobarrywardell: pm me your google talk
19:46:30barrywardellhow do I do a pm?
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19:47:48mirakI am looking for a IRC client who doesn't crash
19:47:58Arathismidkay: which OS?
19:48:00mirakoups sorry
19:48:07mirakwrong channel
19:48:20lorijhobarrywardell: with "/msg lorijho message"
19:48:20Arathiswrong user xD
19:48:53mirakArathis: for linux
19:49:01mirakxchat crashes a lot
19:49:11Arathisnot for me
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19:53:12markunmirak: yes, command line
19:53:52mirakI use it when I in SOS mode without X who can't run :D
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19:54:42mirakI never used it in xterm I think
19:54:55lorijhobarrywardell: pm doesn't seem to work. My jabber account is lorijho@jabber.org . You can talk to jabber with google talk.
19:55:17mirakmarkun: I prefer use gui most of the time
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19:55:40Davide-NYCA general THANKS to eveytone in here, I just compiled my first build sans games by editing the apps/plugins/SOURCES and apps/plugins/SUBDIRS files. Thanks :-)
19:56:02Davide-NYCWhat is the best way to be rid of unnecessary WPSes?
19:57:00Davide-NYC(what I deem to be unnecessary)
19:57:07Davide-NYC;-)
19:57:21bluebrothertucoz, I had the idea of replacing the player images with drawn ones. What do you think about that?
19:57:30dpassen2Wouldn't it suffice to delete them from the /wps and /themes folders after its built?
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20:00:50bluebrotherI was thinking of something a bit like in the iriver manual. We could draw it with inkscape or similar and convert it to png for the manual, like the logo
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20:02:48Davide-NYCdpassen: I guess, but why build them?
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20:09:12preglowdoesn't seem like the player removal message sparked the biggest outrage thus far seen
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20:09:41pixelmabluebrother: some people are already working on it ;)
20:09:45dan_aIs there anyone around who knows their way around the button handling code? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5985.0
20:09:50linuxstbDavide-NYC: (if you read the logs) - just edit wps/WPSLIST and delete the WPSes you don't want.
20:10:35bluebrotherpixelma, nice to hear ;-)
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20:34:21miraklinuxstb: at page 36 of the mpeg2 paper about optimising, the coef A and E are the same, cos(pi/4)
20:34:53mirakmy guess would be it's a sinus instead of a cosinus
20:36:30linuxstbYou mean it's a mistake in the paper?
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20:40:19dan_aHas anyone tried latest CVS yet? I'd just like to be reassured that it's working on platforms other than 3G iPod before I go out for a little bit
20:41:00miraklinuxstb: yes
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20:41:15miraklinuxstb: there would be no reason to coefs are the same
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20:46:17mirakand you would not to a cycle
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20:46:34mirakand you would not do a cycle on the circle
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20:48:30pisee you tomorow
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21:00:04miraklinuxstb: hum sinus or cosinus of pi/4 gives the same result anyway ...
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21:04:01linuxstbmirak: I'm not an idct person...
21:04:06jhMikeSpcm_rec_screen in pcm_recording.c is obsolete isn't it?
21:04:31mirakthat's just highschol math
21:04:58mirakI mean the matrix stuff and trigometry
21:05:04miraktrigonometry
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21:06:38linuxstbjhMikeS: grep is telling me that...
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21:08:32linuxstbjhMikeS: pcm_recording.c isn't in apps/SOURCES, so it's not even being compiled any more.
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21:15:16jhMikeSlinuxstb: why's is still there then? :-P
21:17:50linuxstbNo-one did "cvs remove". Feel free :)
21:18:18linuxstb(it's always accessible in CVS anyway - it's never actually removed)
21:19:39jhMikeSlinuxstb: you're just removing from the Entries file then?
21:21:24Mikachuit will be removed from clients on cvs update
21:21:26linuxstbI'm not sure how it works internally, but I know it's still in the repository somewhere, just excluded from local checkouts.
21:21:35Mikachuso you could end up saving hundreds of megabytes overall
21:22:42linuxstbjhMikeS: It's gone - I've just removed it.
21:23:49jhMikeSlinuxstb: ok, thanks then...I would've had to do another checkout to do that.
21:24:11*Mikachu likes that you can tabcomplete cvs remove in zsh
21:24:14jhMikeSI think...still green with CVS
21:24:49miraklinuxstb: http://www.egr.msu.edu/waves/people/Ali_files/DCT_TR802.pdf that one is nice, there is no code but that explains well
21:24:55jhMikeSMikachu: That gets the files in the repository too?
21:24:56mirakjhMikeS: I think you would like it
21:25:12MikachujhMikeS: yeah, you can't do that in most shells since cvs requires you to remove the files locally first
21:25:13jhMikeSmirak: I'm gonna have a peek now.
21:25:33Mikachuwhen you cvs commit <tab> it only lists changed files etc
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21:35:56COmputomando you guys ever think rockbox flac playback will improve?
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21:39:17preglowimprove?
21:39:19preglowwhat's wrong with it?
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21:40:28sharpeI love it how in the Apple Installation forum, right after the "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" thread there are four threads follow by the same person completely that completely aren't related to installation... :)
21:41:42sharpewow. that could've sounded better.
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21:42:47dan_asharpe: Where do tagcache related posts go? Is it UI?
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21:43:44sharpedan_a: Ah... Maybe...
21:43:54*freqmod does not like big tagcaches in ram, my 36000 songs tagcache wouldn't work, worked when i deleted all my sid files
21:44:39preglowhaha
21:44:40preglowgo figure
21:45:41sharpedan_a: Either that, or General Discussion I would say.
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21:46:30dan_asharpe: I moved it to UI
21:47:14sharpeNow just to decide where to move the album art one...
21:50:00mirakmy calculator is missing me
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21:50:37sharpemirak: Well, you can discuss porting rockbox to calculators, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5900.0 :D
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21:51:06mirakI just want to verify some matrix computation
21:51:15mirakdo you know some programm on linux to do that ?
21:51:24sharpeI don't use linux...
21:51:33Mikachumirak: ocatve
21:51:35Mikachuoctave
21:52:13COmputomanhow often do you guys update your rockbox?
21:52:16COmputomanevery day ?
21:52:29sharpewhenever i get around to running cygwin.
21:52:53dan_aSometimes every 10 minutes
21:53:20mirakMikachu: I forgot matlab, but I remove it last year ...
21:53:22sharpehaha, "every sixty seconds, why?"
21:53:55Mikachumirak: octave is sort of an open source clone of matlab
21:54:02Mikachusome m files even run unmodified
21:54:29mirakcool
21:55:37bluebrotherthere is a "brain-dead" or so option in octave
21:55:55bluebrotherwhich tells octave to mimic the behaviour of matlab as close as possible
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22:02:03LHello everyone
22:02:13sharpeHi.
22:05:14mirakMikachu: no gui :-/
22:05:29Mikachui always use matlab -nojava :)
22:06:42mirakmaybe I still have the cd ...
22:06:52mirakI have a bigger hard drive now :D
22:08:15mirakhu I found my calculator in some box
22:08:19mirak:D
22:08:43mirakdamn, no battery
22:08:51Mikachui wonder if mine can do matrices
22:09:10mirakthat's a TI-82
22:09:19mirakthat's ten years old
22:09:25Mikachui have a casio
22:09:27mirakat least mine
22:09:27*Mikachu checks
22:09:53linuxstbdan_a: I would say tagcache discussion belongs in "Audio Playback and Playlists"
22:10:04Mikachucool, it can
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22:11:24linuxstbsharpe: I think the Apple forum will just be full of topics called "MOVED: ..."
22:11:43sharpelinuxstb: From the looks of it, yeah...
22:12:56mirakfound matlab somewhere, that's for the good cause ...
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22:14:04pixelmatucoz, bluebrother: http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/FmRecorder_colours.svg
22:15:03bluebrotherpixelma, really nice!
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22:15:39Mikachupixelma: you're amiconn's sister?
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22:16:31pixelmayes
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22:17:01Mikachuheh, you get the same color in my irc client
22:19:48lowlightOooooh...scaled icons: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/dump_0006.bmp
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22:20:20sharpelowlight: :D
22:20:36linuxstblowlight: Nice... How?
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22:21:12lowlightit's in the font (a unicode character)
22:21:25sharpeAww...
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22:21:59LAh so the Apple forums is just going to stay like there without any distinction to players?
22:22:18sharpeL: Yep.
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22:23:03Mikachuyou can use these for chess :) ♔♕♖♗♘♙♚›♜♝♞♟
22:23:22sharpeRectangles! Yay!
22:23:29Mikachuhooray
22:23:44linuxstbNot just rectangles, rectangles with numbers in...
22:23:54LAh tad confusing and I bet the moderators will cry having to move the many topics
22:24:00Mikachui have them in dejavu sans
22:24:21sharpe:)
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22:24:39sharpeL: Well, it's not just the moderators moving posts.
22:24:47linuxstbL: Why confusing? Rockbox aims to be the same everywhere, which is why there are no more player-specific forums.
22:25:22preglowCOmputoman: what's wrong with flac?
22:25:24LOh yeah I get that. I'm just too used to the previous arrangement heh
22:25:44linuxstbpreglow: Seeking...
22:25:50preglowriiiight
22:26:02mirakMikachu: thanks, I start to remember how to use matlab on command line
22:26:09mirakoctave is fine
22:26:16preglowoctave works for most stuff
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22:33:18mirakdamn the array indexes start at 1
22:33:19miraklol
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22:34:44mirakpreglow: do you know if there is a way to load in the environment things created in a file
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22:35:13mirak create a function in a file, and create some matrix. I am wondering if I can toy with them on the command line
22:36:29preglowwell, there's the load() function...
22:36:57mirakhum I think that's for raw data
22:37:04mirakfrom file, I will dig that
22:40:02mirakhum in fact I just have to do a copy paste to octave command line
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22:43:34mirakMikachu: hum do you remember how to transpose a matrix ?
22:43:43Mikachumirak: how?
22:43:48nuxatorhi, i've got a big problem with last cvs build. On my h140 whenever i use the remote, rockbox hangs.
22:44:02nuxatorAnyone have the same prob or it's only me?
22:44:05Mikachumirak: a hermitian transpose is ', a normal transpose is .'
22:44:07Mikachumirak: iirc
22:44:10mirakMikachu: transform a row matrix to a line matrix
22:44:16Mikachumirak: if you don't have imaginary numbers it doesn't matter
22:44:19mirakcolumn
22:44:33Mikachumirak: yeah well that applies to all the sorts of transposes i had in mind :)
22:44:39mirakyes that's it
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22:46:37preglowif you're using just real numbers, ' will transpose
22:46:45Mikachuyeah that is what i said
22:46:49pregloweasier to write than .' if you never use complex numbers
22:46:50Mikachubut in more words
22:47:24preglowoctave is surprisingly nice
22:47:36preglowespecially with octave-forge
22:47:47Mikachui didn't get gnuplot to produce nice graphs but i didn't really try
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22:47:55Mikachuie they looked like something qwm might say
22:47:57preglowahh, yes, there's that
22:48:12preglowgnuplot isn't very integrated with octave
22:48:16preglowlike the plotter in matlab is
22:48:17dan_anuxator: Does this only happen with the very latest build? If not, what is the first build it happens with?
22:49:03nuxatoranyone have an h1x0 here?
22:49:25A_Mh100 here
22:49:48mirakMikachu: how do you invert a matrix ? I mean change the order, not compute
22:50:03Mikachuthat made me confused
22:50:10Mikachunot A^-1 ?
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22:50:28mirakI mean just reverse
22:50:29nuxatori didn't try all builds
22:50:41mirak[1 2 3 4 ] in [4 3 2 1]
22:50:46Mikachuoh hm
22:50:51Mikachui did that some time
22:50:57Mikachuthere is one for up/down and one for left/right
22:51:01Mikachumirrorud perhaps
22:51:14Mikachuah no
22:51:17Mikachuflipud and fliplr
22:51:17nuxatorI just updated tonight because i hoped the remote can't browse upfolder was fixed and now remote just crash my player
22:52:05A_Mnuxator: same thing happened for me, I thought maybe my remote was broken again (has happened before) but I guess that may not be it
22:52:05nuxatorwhen i update i allways use bleeding edge build
22:52:14Mikachumirak: you saw?
22:52:31mirakok
22:54:58nuxatorso i'm not alone... Maybe i'll make a bug reporte if i have tomarow
22:55:23nuxatorif i have time
22:55:34miraklinuxstb: damn the papere is erroneous
22:55:52miraklinuxstb: the chen decomposition do the same on both lines
22:56:02nuxatorthanks all and goo night (it neas 23h00 in france)
22:56:27miraklinuxstb: ah no I didn't saw there was a difference ... (ashamed)
22:56:50linuxstbmirak: Happy I could help...
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22:57:19tucozbluebrother, around?
22:57:22miraklinuxstb: that's your aura
22:57:25A_MIs there any particular reason some files are kept in CVS even though they're no longer used?
22:57:27bluebrothertucoz, yes.
22:57:33dan_aA_M: Could you check the daily build and see if that has the same problem?
22:57:52tucozbluebrother, you said you had an idea to remove the player images with the draw ones?
22:58:16bluebrotheryes, like the one pixelma posted some time later.
22:58:38tucozbluebrother, yes. That was exactly my idea as well. I have started to make them fit in the manual
22:58:45A_Mdan_a: sure I'll give it a try
22:59:08linuxstbA_M: For example? Some unused files are there for a reason, some are probably just forgotten.
22:59:47A_Mgui/list.c and gui/list.h are afaik no longer used since aug 15
22:59:48bluebrothertucoz, fit what to the manual? The scans?
22:59:55tucozno, the .svg ones
22:59:59A_Merr, make that select.ch
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23:00:11tucozbluebrother, with key assignments in a consistent way aso
23:00:26bluebrotherah, ok. Are there a lot already drawn?
23:00:31tucozyes, lots
23:00:51bluebrothercool. Wasn't aware this idea was already floating around.
23:00:53tucozfreqmod have made images of the ipods and the irivers
23:01:45bluebrothergood I didn't start playing around with the h100 today ;-)
23:02:06tucozbluebrother, I made a rough scetch earlier this weekend, but after that some artists (freqmod, pixelma) showed up with their skills.
23:02:19A_Mdan_a: daily build seems to work
23:03:55linuxstbA_M: I guess they're in the forgotten category. Although maybe it's too soon to remove them.
23:03:58tucozbluebrother, I used a palatino font for the key assignments. I can show you one if you like
23:04:17bluebrothersure :)
23:04:33Bagderand now the cvs table grows even more...
23:04:42bluebrotherare you converting them to png for the inclusion?
23:04:49tucozhmm. How do I dcc a file?
23:04:57Bagderthere
23:05:07Bagdermarkun: a few yellows to work on we see
23:05:09tucozbluebrother, that is one of the things I haven't done yet
23:05:49markunBagder: yes, I noticed
23:05:53markunthanks again
23:06:01Bagdermy pleasure!
23:06:09bluebrotherI was looking around a bit on how to convert them best ... found hints that inkscape could be used for command line conversion.
23:06:10Bagder49 frigging builds
23:06:29tucozbluebrother, look at this. http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/player-front.pdf
23:06:39*linuxstb only has space for about 7 more builds on his monitor...
23:06:45Paul_The_NerdBagder: You played the Gigabeat 'tween the Recorder and V2 Recorder.
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23:06:53Bagderhehe
23:07:01tucozAnd I want to commit the original .svg along with the .pdf and a .png
23:07:04Paul_The_NerdV2 looks lonely over there, stuck with all the strange new players.
23:07:10Bagderyeah, the sort order is a big messy
23:07:15Bagdera bit
23:07:58linuxstbStill, a very impressive list of targets...
23:07:59Rudy4PezHrmmm... Did Senab fall off of the planet?
23:08:11bluebrothertucoz, sounds nice. But IMO the text is a bit far away from the device ...
23:08:25tucozbluebrother, it looks nice in the manual (imo)
23:08:49Bagderthing is, I don't want to fix the sort order since that would mean changing build names and changing build names will appear as new builds
23:08:57bluebrotherhaven't seen it in the manual, but if it looks fine I don't see any problems.
23:08:59tucozbluebrother, and I think it looks best if we do not overlay the text on top of the player images themselves
23:09:11bluebrotheryeah.
23:09:43tucozThat is why I used that approach
23:09:56bluebrotherthe plain image is a bit ... ripped off to get the whole picture ;-)
23:10:17bluebrotherI'm really looking forward to get new nice player pictures
23:10:45mirakMikachu: how do you do the scalar product of two vectors ??
23:10:51Mikachumirak: .*
23:10:53Mode"#rockbox -b *!*@h229n1fls34o1010.telia.com " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
23:11:18Mikachuif you have a=[1 2]; b=[2 3]; you do c=a.*b'
23:11:23tucozhmm. I can commit the player and the recorder. Should I just keep the old png for now for the html version?
23:11:33mirakMikachu: thanks
23:11:43tucozand the ipodvideo as well.
23:11:46bluebrotherif we have a png of the new version we can use that for the html manual.
23:12:05tucozyes. do you have an idea how to? imagemagick somehow?
23:12:16bluebrotherfrom the pdf?
23:12:26tucozyes, or the .svg
23:12:41*tucoz starts inkscape
23:13:35bluebrotherinkscape -e <filename> exports to png
23:13:45tucozoh
23:14:26bluebrothertried on the svg pixelma posted earlier. Looks good.
23:14:33tucozsize as well?
23:14:49Mikachuwhy not use svg in html? :)
23:15:00Mikachuyou can write some javascript to animate it too
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23:15:47A_Mbluebrother: you've got a h120 right? have you experienced crashes with the latest CVS source when using the remote same as me and nuxator?
23:15:49bluebrotherMikachu, sure. But first we need to figure out how we can get this work with htlatex
23:16:08bluebrotherA_M, I rarely use the remote. But I can try.
23:16:12Mikachuah right
23:16:40OnkelJonashi... I just had my iriver h120 stolen :-( when I go shopping for a new player, which rockbox compatible player would you people recommend?
23:17:45A_Mbluebrother: particularly the top left nav/menu scroller (don't use remote much either so not sure what its function is in rockbox) caused it to freeze both times I tried it
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23:18:25pixelmatucoz: I'd like to do the Ondio now and improve freqmod's iriver drawings... just need some decent scans as basis
23:18:37tucozpixelma, I have decent scans
23:18:54tucozbut not of the ondios
23:19:19pixelma:( I have an Ondio but no scanner
23:19:52pixelmatucoz: can you send me the iriver ones somehow?
23:19:53bluebrotherA_M, what function did you try? File browser? Menu?
23:19:57tucozpixelma, hold on
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23:21:29tucozpixelma, http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/h140front_fixed.png
23:22:18tucozpixelma, and I think you can use this one for the h340 http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DeviceChart/H340.jpg
23:22:33A_Mbluebrother: I think I was in filebrowser both times, essentially the moment I did anything with the top left scroll wheel it froze
23:22:48preglowBagder: keep'em coming! i've still got a quarter of my screen unoccupied by builds
23:22:59bluebrotherA_M, I just played a bit with the remote in the file browser and the menu. Still playing.
23:23:03Bagder:-)
23:23:04pixelmatucoz: thanks :)
23:23:27tucozBagder, do you think the rockbox site can host scans of the various players?
23:23:28A_MI'll give it another try, just gotta rebuild latest source, tried it with daily build to see if that worked (which it did)
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23:23:49Bagdertucoz: sure
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23:24:27tucozamiconn, is it ok with you if we put the scans up at the rockbox site?
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23:27:56*bluebrother found a nice magazine to latex. Unfortunately it's german only.
23:28:22tucozbluebrother, I found the texbook at the ctan site
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23:28:30tucoz(in .tex format)
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23:28:35bluebrotherreally? cool.
23:28:41tucozbut it's possible to compile it with tex
23:28:52tucozif you remove some stuff in the beginning, hehe.
23:29:29tucozhttp://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/knuth/tex/texbook.tex
23:29:42tucozhttp://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/texbook.html
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23:31:52avfHi, anybody running rockbox on the ipod nano?
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23:34:11bluebrotherhehe ... \loop\iftrue :)
23:34:28A_Mbluebrother: yep, there it goes again. I try to scroll up in the file tree and it freezes
23:35:30bluebrotherhmm. Which build did it first occur? Only today?
23:35:47*bluebrother runs cvs up
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23:37:23A_Mhappens only with latest updated CVS, daily build from ok seems to work
23:39:18A_M*ok=today *slaps forehead*
23:39:47mirakis there a way to know who did some coldfire asm imdct optimisations ?
23:40:34Bagdermidkay: you mean in Rockbox source code?
23:40:46Bagdermirak even
23:40:46bluebrotherdamn, playback is still broken after usb disconnect on my device :(
23:40:49markunmirak: check the cvs logs
23:40:50preglowi did one
23:40:52Bagderdarned tab completion
23:40:56preglowprobably the only one
23:40:56midkayBagder: how dare you. :)
23:41:00linuxstbmirak: Try "cvs annotate file.c"
23:41:07mirakok
23:41:11Bagderuh-oh I woke midkay!
23:41:15bluebrotherA_M, freeze.
23:41:26bluebrotherlike on the 2nd keypress on the remote.
23:41:39*bluebrother gets his paperclip
23:41:39midkayBagder: grrrrrrrrr.... :)
23:41:41preglowdoesn't help you much, though, all i did was write imdct36() out in stupid straight forward assembler
23:42:08preglowwhich i am to this date extremely annoyed at not being able to write a better version of
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23:42:27mirakeclipse with CDT allow to do it from gui, that's great. this plugin improved a lot, it was almost unusable some months ago
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23:48:19Paul_The_NerdHow do people (that are present, at least) feel about the concept of removing posts-based membergroups?
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23:48:59BagderPaul_The_Nerd: I've never seen any particular good coming out from that so sure, I'm fine with that
23:49:11Paul_The_NerdThat's kinda how I feel about it.
23:49:15linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I never even noticed there were any...
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23:49:45Paul_The_NerdI've noticed at least one person in the past who seemed to post semi-randomly just trying to get his count up to 500 and the name "Hero Member" so I almost feel they're harmful.
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23:49:57Paul_The_NerdMost of our most useful members have in the 100-200 range of posts.
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23:50:05midkayhaha. hero member.
23:50:21Mikachuwhat happens to them when they hit 300?
23:50:40Mikachu+ smiley
23:50:43Paul_The_NerdHehehe
23:51:14Paul_The_NerdSomewhere about 120, they realize that helping everyone is impossible, and start only answering questions that actually require thought to resolve.
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23:51:23midkayi say toss them.. the badges are a similar concept, but a much better one since people are hand-picked and they can't be abused..
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23:51:26Paul_The_NerdMeanwhile, others post "LOL" every other topic, and inflate their number.
23:51:32midkayhaha.
23:51:41midkay*cough* BigMac *cough*
23:51:51scorcheactually, he is referring to brandun_6 =)
23:51:54Mikachucan't you limit how few characters a post can contain or something?
23:52:00midkay"I personally like .ape. Keep ROCKing on!!!!!!"
23:52:01Paul_The_NerdActually I'm referring several people. ;)
23:52:05linuxstbOr just delete pointless posts...
23:52:18Mikachuthat requires you to read everything
23:52:22*Paul_The_Nerd does read everything
23:52:35scorcheas do i...now
23:52:41midkaybrandun_6.. haha.
23:52:56midkayscorche: now that you think you're all cool with your Expert status.. pfff..
23:52:56midkay:)
23:53:08Paul_The_NerdAnyway, I'm gonna give the idea a couple days, to see if anyone comes up with some objections, and then I'm going to convert everyone to one group, "Member" and give them a very simple icon.
23:53:17Paul_The_NerdI'm thinking the R from the "Rockbox Logo" including clef.
23:53:25scorchemidkay: that has nothign to do with that...now the forums are arranged in a way that makes it much easier...
23:53:35midkayscorche: suure...
23:53:41scorchekind of amusing how it is mainly the ipod owners that are the ones that post in the wrong topic..
23:54:09Paul_The_NerdI think it's more simply because there are more of them.
23:54:17scorchemidkay: why should "expert status" have anything to do with the amount of topics i read?
23:54:27markunand maybe they are younger on average
23:54:36midkayscorche: because now you can respond all cool and stuff.
23:54:36Mikachuand maybe stupider too :P
23:54:50Bagderand maybe iriver newbies post those weird posts on misticriver instead ;-)
23:55:04linuxstbYou haven't read www.ilounge.com....
23:55:12Bagdercorrect, I have not ;-)
23:55:17fatherforkI agree that the younger crowd (more ignorant, as well) choose the iPod more.
23:55:18scorchemidkay: i think you have me confused with someone else =)
23:55:30linuxstbBagder: Don't be tempted.
23:55:31midkayscorche: haha.
23:55:45Bagder:-)
23:55:49BagderI promise!
23:55:59*Paul_The_Nerd still thinks there are too many people who think you're *supposed* to report bugs at MisticRiver
23:56:37tucozgoodnight
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23:57:47bluebrotherreporting bugs at misticriver?
23:58:32linuxstbI've even read Rockbox bug reports on the ipodlinux forums...
23:59:00rageaholbadger, thanks for all your great work on the h10 so far

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