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#rockbox log for 2006-08-26

00:00:04belzelinuxstb: oh, my fault, i forgot to turn down the 60hz band on the equalizer as well ;)
00:00:28 Join OolonColuphid [0] (n=3fa98405@labb.contactor.se)
00:00:31belzebut what is really weird is, that you can hear some beeps at certain levels with an enabled equalizer on a completly silent file
00:00:48belzeencoded at ogg qualy 4,5
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00:01:57jhMikeSthat wasn't a comment against linuxstd I mean stB
00:03:43jhMikeSlinuxstb: why isn't it warning about .wps files with the same problem then? why should I care?
00:04:05Mikachu.wps files are also excluded if they don't fit, maybe you have a very large lcd
00:04:16jhMikeS160x128 x5: that's all
00:04:25Mikachuthat is a very small lcd :)
00:04:37jhMikeSit has big pixels though
00:05:31jhMikeSThen I guess I don't know why I should care about the .rwps and not the .wps
00:05:54Mikachumaybe the filter doesn't know about x5 yet
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00:09:45*barrywardell has rockbox running on his H10 :)
00:10:06barrywardellbuttons don't work though
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00:12:23linuxstb_barrywardell: congratulations. What was the problem stopping it before?
00:12:39barrywardellI don't know really
00:12:49barrywardellI was trying to run a normal build directly
00:13:01OolonColuphidbarrywardell: Wooooo Hooooo!!!
00:13:15barrywardellInstead, this time I made a bootloader which loaded rockbox like the ipod does
00:13:19barrywardelland it just worked
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00:14:21barrywardellCan I set it to play a mp3 automatically on startup? I don't have working buttons yet
00:14:48Mikachuthere is autoresume on startup, but you have to have a playlist then
00:14:53linuxstb_You should be able to. Look at the code in tree.c that starts playback of a file.
00:14:54Mikachumaybe if you copy some statefiles over from the sim?
00:14:57Mikachuor that
00:15:41linuxstb_barrywardell: So you're just praying that the ipod playback code will work?
00:16:02barrywardellI suppose so
00:16:11barrywardellMrH seems to think that it would
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00:17:12jhMikeStools/configure is what writes the makefile with commands so shouln't that need a little update too?
00:18:55BockBilbohello
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00:20:30ranunculoidCan rockbox play ogg files gaplessly as well as MP3s and FLACs?
00:20:41linuxstb_Yes
00:20:42Mikachuyes
00:21:24linuxstb_barrywardell: Looking at the filetree.c and tree.c code, I think it would be easier to implement a simple button driver - with up/down and enter.
00:21:53ranunculoidWhich is easier on battery life on a 30gig 5g ipod with rockbox, -q4.5 oggs or V0 MP3?
00:22:01BockBilboanyone here knows what ubuntu package is needed to compile iPlay? while building from the source i get arm-elf-gcc:program not found ...
00:22:23Mikachuwrong channel
00:22:42Mikachuyou want #ipodlinux
00:22:56barrywardelllinuxstb: I'm starting to come to the same conclusion
00:23:01BockBilbosorry
00:23:17BockBilbomy bad
00:23:30BockBilboi tough i was on the #ipodlinux tab on xchat
00:23:31BockBilbo:S
00:23:37ranunculoidSo which is better for battery in rockbox, OGG or MP3?
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00:24:50*jhMikeS has to crash learn some perl now
00:26:11linuxstb_ranunculoid: They are more or less the same. You can test yourself by playing the file, then going into the Audio Thread debug menu and looking at the CPU boost ratio. The higher that number, the more CPU the decoding is taking.
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00:26:52*preglow has no beer :/
00:29:18preglowwoe is me
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00:31:09jhMikeSpreglow: my sympathies
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01:30:05sm007hlinuxstb, are you still around?
01:31:22linuxstbYes.
01:31:30sm007hI can't get that bootloader you gave me to work
01:31:45linuxstbWhat does "fdisk -l /dev/sda" display?
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01:32:41ootputhowdy
01:32:56ootputi finally got around to getting rockbox on my 1st gen mini
01:33:02ootputgotta say i love it
01:33:53ootputI was wondering if there was documention on how to 'clean up' the ipod, and remove unnecessary objects
01:34:26ootputas I'll be using rockbox, and only rockbox, i'd like to do away with whatever I don't need
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01:34:56Mikachuthe only needed dir is .rockbox
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01:35:36ootputwhere is the apple firmware located?
01:35:54Mikachuin the vast expanses of space outside the fat partition
01:36:07ootputheh
01:36:23ootputso i can safely remove non-.rockbox and non-Music dirs?
01:36:28Mikachuyeah
01:36:38Mikachuitunes music will be in ipod_control though, if you want to keep that
01:36:48Mikachubut probably not since it mangles the filenames
01:37:10ootputnah, i want to get rid of that heirarchy
01:37:21ootputin windows, i had to go into each music folder, and delete the contents
01:37:29ootputfor some reason, i couldn't just delete the root music folder
01:37:38ootputit was pretty gay, tbh
01:37:48ootputand I don't know much scripting on the windows platform
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01:39:39*scorche wonders how deleting something could have a sexual preference.....or be happy for that matter
01:40:07ootputMikachu, it looks like i have a whole bunch of dotfile dirs, too: .DS_Store ._iPod_Control ._.Trashes .Spotlight-V100 .Trashes ._.VolumeIcon.icns .VolumeIcon.icns
01:40:20Mikachuthose look like crazy macosx files
01:40:31Mikachuisn't there a plugin that removes them?
01:40:39Mikachurocktidy or something like that
01:41:03*ootput checks
01:41:11linuxstbdisktidy IIRC
01:41:17Mikachuthat's the guy
01:41:27belzewhy did you get an apple product in the first place when you dont like their style? ;)
01:41:37ootputbut ._iPod_Control should be removable atm?
01:41:42belzethere are players with much better sound-quality out there
01:41:46Mikachui won mine
01:41:51belzeah, ok
01:41:54ootputbelze, hand-me-down
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01:42:22ootputI was considering an h120 for my flac files, but then i found about this project
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01:42:39belzewell, the h120 has much better sound quality :)
01:42:48ootputyeah :(
01:43:01ootputi'd saved up for a micro-stack, too
01:43:24ootputwell, at least i put that cash to better use :)
01:43:40belzebtw: i also archive my music in flac
01:43:50belzebut for my player i convert it to ogg mostly
01:44:30ootputi only have a few favorite albums, so i can keep them as flac on my pod
01:44:58belzewould be interesting to know if the very low cpu usage of flac saves more battery even though the harddisk has to spin up more often
01:45:03***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:45:13Mikachumaybe on flash based players
01:45:18ootputi haven't been able to encode any new music lately, as I'm not too familiar with Accurate ripping tools on the Linux platform
01:45:29belzeyeah, flash players should benefit from it
01:45:32Mikachuootput: cdparanoia
01:45:39ootputthat's what you use?
01:45:45Mikachuotoh, flash players don't fit many flac albums
01:45:51belzei guess its as good as eac for win32?
01:45:54Mikachui think so
01:45:57ootputMikachu, is that primarily used as a backend?
01:46:02Mikachui use a frontend called abcde
01:46:07ootputah, ok
01:46:11Mikachui have only ever ripped like 3 audio cds though :)
01:46:32Mikachubut i'm pretty sure cdparanoia is the best you can get
01:46:38ootputbelze, yeah, i was looking for an eac-substitute
01:46:48Mikachuit also has the coolest way of telling status
01:47:04ootputMikachu, is it possible to set encoder flags with abcde, say, for example, -8 for flac?
01:47:10Mikachusure
01:47:17Mikachuhttp://pastebot.openbox.org/12 :)
01:47:36Galoisuh, dude
01:47:41Galoiscdex is the best ripping tool for win32
01:47:43Galoishands down
01:47:52belzenope, eac is ;)
01:48:03Galoisfor linux, just use sound-juicer or cdparanoia
01:48:20scorcheyou are all wrong!...musicmatch is the best!
01:48:28ootputshudders
01:48:31scorcheok...so i couldnt say that with a straight face...so what>/
01:48:35ootputit's been a while
01:48:49ootputis the jukebox still in production?
01:48:53Mikachuootput: abcde can use cdparanoia or cdda2wav, and lame, oggenc, flac afaict
01:49:11Galoisdongs notwithstanding, you're talking to open source advocates here, and eac loses major points for not being open source
01:49:29ootputcdex is?
01:49:30belzethats true, but it still gives perfect cdrip
01:49:32belzes
01:49:36Galoiscdex is GPL
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01:49:47Mikachuabcde is a bash script :)
01:49:48ootputwhich lib does cdex use?
01:50:12ootputMikachu, i've used bashburn in the past, but I couldn't figure out how to pass encoder flags
01:50:37jhMikeSNow you can have make create a rockbox folder, a rockbox-full folder, or a rockbox-fonts folder...if noone wants it I'll dispose of it but I learned a little perl all of a sudden.
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01:52:14Mikachuootput: there is a .abcde.conf in your ~ that you can fiddle with
01:52:32Galoiscdex uses paranoia
01:54:21ootputthanks
01:54:39ootputare any of you familiar with .Spotlight-V100 directory?
01:54:49ootputie, can i safely remove it?
01:54:52Mikachuit is not relevant to the operation of rockbox
01:55:47Mikachui _think_ spotlight is a searching program for osx
01:56:06linuxstbIt is. An annoying sucker...
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01:56:18ootputone last one: bootex.log, and volumeicon.icns?
01:56:27Mikachualso sounds like osx
01:56:48Mikachulike i said you only need .rockbox and rockbox.ipod for rockbox
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01:57:05jhMikeSwould anyone find it useful to just create the .rockbox folder instead of a zip file?
01:57:18ootputMikachu, ok
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01:58:54linuxstbjhMikeS: I think I would use it, yes.
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01:59:17Nova-A001there's this chipset that's used in a lot of generic mp3 players, with a homebrew scene around it
01:59:22Mikachuyou'd have to use something like tar cp .rockbox|(cd /mnt/ipod;tar xp) to copy it there
01:59:22Nova-A001can anybody remember what it is?
01:59:28Mikachui don't think cp lets you merge dirs anyway
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02:00:15ootputwhy on earth can't i remove this ipod Music dir? The fat32 partition is mounted rw as a user, and for a user, me
02:00:27ootputi couldn't get rid of it in Windows either
02:00:27jhMikeSlinuxstb: would you rather it just be the .rockbox folder in the build directory or make a subdirectory with the .rockbox folder and the target?
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02:01:00linuxstbI would like the .rockbox to be created directly in /mnt/ipod/
02:01:02Mikachuootput: what does it say?
02:01:19jhMikeSlinuxstb: you mean straight to the player?
02:01:34linuxstbYes - to anywhere the user specifies.
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02:02:00ootputMikachu, rm: cannot remove `....': Read-only file system
02:02:06Galoisfedora has this newfangled /media/IPOD mount point instead of the old /mnt/ipod
02:02:06Mikachuis there a single place in the code that defines "/.rockbox" ?
02:02:18jhMikeShmmm...yes
02:02:26Mikachuif you want to have different versions installed
02:02:26ootputMikachu, apparetnly i can shuffle files around, but not delete them
02:02:34jhMikeSMikachu: In what code?
02:02:40Mikachui just mean when you are in there digging, you could let the user change the .rockbox name too
02:02:54Mikachuootput: that's funky, no idea
02:03:03MikachujhMikeS: rockbox/*
02:03:17Mikachucan i change it in one place, recompile and put it in /.rockbox.hello and it would work?
02:03:20jhMikeSMikachu: there's a hard define that sets the rockbox directory when built
02:04:09jhMikeS#define ROCKBOX_DIR "/.rockbox" in setings.h
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02:06:55ootputhm, i may wipe the partition clean, and rsync
02:07:06ootputor at least re-mount it
02:07:12jhMikeSThen how would the booloader know which one to go to? I think having directories other than ".rockbox/" is a lot of reworking just to get started/
02:07:15Mikachui would fsck.vfat it first
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02:07:28Mikachui was maybe thinking rolo
02:07:32Mikachubut i haven't actually tried using that
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02:08:12Mikachui guess if you change the define, it's easy enough to change the makefile tooo
02:08:32ootputis the 320 an affordable solution yet?
02:08:35Mikachuor you could put the define in the makefile instead of settings.h, only one place to change
02:08:57ootputi mean, has all the glitz/glamor-price-affecting factors gone yet?
02:09:10jhMikeSMikachu: I think I spied some other explicit instances of "/.rockbox" in the code.
02:09:43Mikachumaybe i'll make a patch for that that can rot in the tracker along with the rest
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02:14:59ootputan ipod's setup requires 2 partitions, right? one for the device, and the other for the user?
02:15:01jhMikeSMikachu: I'll commit it...you mean just get rid of the explicite "/.rockbox"s?
02:15:19Mikachuyeah
02:15:33Mikachubut school starts on monday and mom has birthday party tomorrow, so possibly i will not follow up on this :)
02:15:47jhMikeSMaybe that was done alreay...I'm gonna look
02:16:01jhMikeSskuel...yech
02:16:13Mikachuschool = university
02:16:17Mikachubut that's so much to type
02:19:23jhMikeSThe recording patch in the tracker puts an end to that with codec paths anyway.
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02:24:05sm007huh oh, I think I finally bricked my nano
02:24:19Mikachuit is very hard to do such a thing
02:24:25Mikachuin fact you would be the first
02:24:26sm007hthat's good to here
02:24:29sm007hhear
02:24:50sm007hwell, it's on constantly. I can't get it to go into transfer mode
02:25:19sm007hit's on, syas no partition found, and loading rockbox....
02:25:32sm007hand neither winxp or linux can "see" it when I connect via usb
02:25:33Mikachui think it's menu+select, before apple shows -> menu+left
02:25:42Mikachuer
02:25:44Mikachuselect+left
02:25:48Mikachuor possibly select+play
02:25:55Mikachuone of those after resetting
02:26:02Mikachuthat will take you to emergency disk mode
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02:26:07sm007hok, it checking right now
02:26:08KlrSpzyo
02:26:11sm007hcool
02:26:37sm007h?I'm in diagnostic screen
02:26:44Mikachuokay then it wasn't select+left :)
02:26:44KlrSpzon what?
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02:26:50Mikachutry select+play
02:26:57KlrSpzwhat are you tryin to do?
02:27:14sm007hlet me start with what I did
02:27:15Mikachui think we are trying to fix his nano
02:27:35sm007hI deleted all the partitions. created a tiny partition for the bootloader
02:27:47sm007hand then put it on and then I was giong to put the rockbox files on
02:27:56sm007hI don't have any apple stuff on there at all
02:28:04Mikachudoes the rockbox bootloader load?
02:28:10Mikachuwith the blue background and the cryptic text
02:28:23sm007hnothing
02:28:27sm007hjust sits there
02:28:40sm007hbut I think I may have gotten in with select+play
02:28:45Mikachui mean just after you reboot
02:28:48sm007hyes indeedy doo
02:29:04sm007hjust a blue background, says rockbox loading....
02:29:13sm007hand sits there, wont turn off or anything
02:29:15KlrSpzyou have the firmware on there?
02:29:21Mikachuwell, that at least means the bootloader is installed right
02:29:24sm007hI have the bootloader
02:29:25KlrSpzthe rockbox.ipod file?
02:29:28sm007hnt yet
02:29:36KlrSpzyou need to go into diskmode and put that bad boy on there
02:29:36Mikachuit is a bad idea to reboot before doing that :)
02:29:41sm007hcouldn't put it on. going to try now that I was able to get it into disk mode
02:30:09sm007hhahaha, I see that now ;)
02:30:51sm007happle did a good job with this thing ;)
02:31:19*sm007h likes unbrickable toys :D
02:32:42ryanpg_hrm... seem to be having trouble navigating my nano
02:33:02sm007hhmm, this wasn't much better
02:33:14KlrSpzbtw devs, changing the bass/treble is fine realtime, but it appears changing the channels real time adds qquite a delay
02:34:54jhMikeSdo most experience the blank/black screen after the bootloader? On x5 the bl was turned off first but a total reset of the lcd and backlight can be avoided...at least I know how on x5
02:34:59KlrSpzi'm gunna go out to eat, i'll hit you up when i get back smooth
02:35:27sm007hk, I'm all fixed up now
02:35:43sm007hsweet, no more apple_os and an extra 80gbs of space
02:35:52Mikachumaybe not gb
02:36:03sm007hyeah, maybe not ;0
02:36:08sm007hkb
02:36:11sm007h:D
02:36:23KlrSpzmb?
02:36:31KlrSpz80k isn't worth messing with
02:36:34sm007hkb, all that for an 80kb baby
02:36:40KlrSpzghey
02:36:48KlrSpzso the apple os is only 80k?
02:36:51sm007hsure why not, I know you went through and erased all your plugins you weren't using?
02:36:58KlrSpzyeah
02:37:00sm007hno, the image is only like 5mb
02:37:03KlrSpzbut 80k isn't like much
02:37:06sm007hthe part is 80mb for some reason
02:37:09KlrSpzoh
02:37:10KlrSpzhmm
02:37:12KlrSpzdolts
02:37:25KlrSpzok, i'm really gone this time, bbl
02:37:26sm007hwell then, why did you bother to clear out those plugins ;) most of them are under 80k
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02:45:14preglowmmm... laphroaigh
02:46:13preglowme night
02:46:41jhMikeSnighty nighty
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02:48:04*jhMikeS thinks single match scotch whiskey tastes like pencils
02:50:03ryanpg_single malt?
02:51:13jhMikeSyes...laphroaigh
02:51:52jhMikeSor glenlivet
02:55:14*jhMikeS just gonna commit a quick x5 patch that keeps the BL from winking out during boot. It works perfectly.
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02:56:18ryanpg_jhMikeS, do you know if anyone has tried loading the x5 firmware on an m5?
02:57:10jhMikeSryanpg_: I haven't a clue
02:57:27ryanpg_hrm... guess it couldn't hurt to try
02:57:30jhMikeSfeel free :)
02:57:35ryanpg_hehe
02:57:54ryanpg_I'd need directions for installing the bootloader though... missing in the manual
02:58:10jhMikeSSame way you flash original firmware updates
02:58:16jhMikeSat least on x5
02:58:20ryanpg_ok cool
02:58:55ryanpg_on the x5 if it "goes wrong" can you just reflash the official firmware? I mean it will still show up as a usb drive yes?
02:59:08jhMikeSyes
02:59:17ryanpg_k, what the heck, I'll give it a shot
02:59:29jhMikeSgood luck
02:59:32ryanpg_thanks
02:59:57ryanpg_different display so I'm certain it won't work though :(
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03:05:36ryanpg_nope
03:05:53ryanpg_firmware didn't update
03:06:14jhMikeSwon't have the right header
03:06:40ryanpg_eh
03:07:02ryanpg_quite a bummer
03:07:14ryanpg_m5 has lotsa potential... just like the x5
03:07:27jhMikeSyou're free to start a new port :) anytime
03:08:02ryanpg_jhMikeS, if I had the slightest clue regarding any aspect of porting rockbox... I certainly would :)
03:08:46ryanpg_I'm rather sure someone will port it eventually... the m5 is just an x5 without usb host and color display (hence no video)
03:09:06jhMikeSwell if you have the time and inclination I suppose it's possible to get one.
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03:09:37ryanpg_yeah the inclination somewhat, the time less so
03:10:01ryanpg_but the skill/knowledge would be quite difficult
03:11:26jhMikeSIt's coldfire I take it?
03:11:42ryanpg_yes
03:11:44ryanpg_afaik
03:12:48jhMikeSflash or HD?
03:13:40ryanpg_hd
03:13:57ryanpg_20gb
03:14:11ryanpg_1.8 grayscale lcd
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03:16:41jhMikeShmmm...looks like a skinny gray x5
03:17:19ryanpg_yep
03:18:25ryanpg_simplified version of the x5
03:19:27ryanpg_oh... no FM
03:20:01jhMikeSTime to take it apart and compare the bits to the x5. Make PCB scans and so forth and post it. Take the chip numbers down too and find whatever datasheets you can.
03:21:24ryanpg_hrm...
03:21:40ryanpg_good thing I just bought a set of jewelers screwdrivers :)
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03:22:17ryanpg_jhMikeS, it's rumored someone has already done pcb scans and posted on the forum... I can't find them though
03:22:22jhMikeSI've never started a port on anything yet. It would be interesting and challenging to do it for a device you don't even own.
03:24:09ryanpg_heh
03:24:15ryanpg_almost impossible I think
03:24:25jhMikeSThe message on the iAudio page is that no has started an m3 or m5 port yet but that was like march
03:24:36ryanpg_though this would be the easiest port I'm guessing
03:24:48ryanpg_in april there was a tiny discussion
03:25:02ryanpg_http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-04/0185.shtml
03:25:07ryanpg_though I can't follow the thread
03:25:16ryanpg_the mail archive seems a bit messy
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03:26:11ryanpg_seems like Wilmer van der Gaast was going to start it... but got busy or something
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03:29:27jhMikeSway back in april...about the time I first became aware of RB
03:30:20ryanpg_yeah, april, him and RaeNye were getting started... this was before the x5 port though iiuc
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03:31:42jhMikeSThere aren't many x5 owners around it seems much less m5 owners
03:31:53Mikachuisn't he bitlbee?
03:31:59ryanpg_yep
03:32:08Mikachufunny how people i have heard about all over the oss community have some hand in rockbox :)
03:32:19ryanpg_it's a fun project
03:32:40Mikachuit is
03:32:47jhMikeSIt's software written for something you're not supposed to write software for...has a nice rebellious streak if you ask me.
03:33:27ryanpg_yeah... the m5 is pretty great as it is... but I can't resist installing something "else" on it :P
03:33:49jhMikeSCowon fw is pretty nasty and slow
03:34:31jhMikeSDon't know about m5 though
03:34:39ryanpg_hmm... I don't think it's too bad but playing with rb on the nano definitely make me want it on the m5
03:36:06jhMikeSWanting gapless playback was what led me here...kept searching the iAudio forums for any mention that they would do it but then someone said to check out rockbox and now I'm in deep :)
03:37:02ryanpg_gapless would be nice, id3 browsing would be nice, better playlists would be nice
03:37:42ryanpg_oh well... in due time it will happen I'm sure
03:37:54Mikachui came for the ogg, i stayed for the hooray it doesn't suck
03:38:14jhMikeSIf there's a developer with an M5. Noone else said they had one.
03:38:17ryanpg_iaudio has good file format support
03:39:09jhMikeSNot much compared to rockbox though. RB supports stuff I've never even seen.
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03:41:14ryanpg_no doubt rb would be better
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03:42:06ryanpg_hrm... it'd be cheaper for me to buy a dev an m5 than it would to buy an x5 ;)
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04:02:12*jhMikeS is happy that it worked
04:07:36aliaskThe recording patch?
04:08:55*aliask sees the CVS log and realises what's going on...
04:09:50jhMikeSaliask: no just a little thing for the lcd
04:10:07aliaskYa
04:11:14jhMikeSI want to get rid of that "pop" at the same point too.
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04:20:58dadahttp://www.djdada.dl.am RnB/HipHop Songs to Download & Musicclips! check it out ;)
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04:22:44Mikachuhooray spamming
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04:26:44saratogai get this error when I try and build for the 3G w/ profiling
04:26:46jhMikeSaliask: got the message on your attempt with the recording patch...I replied to the email so I don't know where it ended up
04:27:11saratogaplugins/doom/doom.elf section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM
04:27:14jhMikeSaliask: The progess bar thing is the only thing that suprises me
04:27:19aliaskaliask: I think the mailing list for the Tracker eats the replies
04:27:29aliask*jhMikeS:
04:27:33jhMikeS:D
04:27:37aliask:P
04:27:48jhMikeSI'll put it up on FS then
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04:28:36jhMikeSI don't think I should have to have all features in place to commit it...just no major bugs
04:28:55aliaskI'm looking into the progressbar thing in pcm_record.c
04:29:01aliaskBut no luck so far...
04:29:03jhMikeSI'll add the features (like frequency)...
04:29:18jhMikeSThere shouldn't be one...just peakmeters
04:29:30aliaskCan you see what I'm talking about?
04:29:39aliaskie. Are they on the x5 too?
04:29:52jhMikeSno...on x5 this was working quite beautifullly
04:30:02aliaskI'll see if I can grab a screenshot
04:30:08jhMikeSYou did a full fw update right?
04:30:31jhMikeSThe WV codec is slow and yes the codecs boost the CPU as soon as they start.
04:30:41aliaskI replaced the .codecs and the rockbox.iriver file, is that enough?
04:31:35jhMikeSI think so...just make a zip and do it again...reset your settings too
04:31:56jhMikeSYou patched the latest CVS, no?
04:32:24jhMikeSI did increment the configuration version for that
04:32:37aliaskYes, I grabbed a clean cvs.
04:34:23jhMikeSIt turns out it went to 50 between my changing it and someone's update. Now it should be 51
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04:35:13saratogais there someway i can disable trying to build doom? i'm not seeing it in the SOURCE files
04:35:24Mikachuit's in SUBDIRS
04:36:01aliaskjhMikeS: Clearing the settings and replacing the entire build worked, I just don't know which did it.
04:36:14jhMikeSno more progress bar?
04:36:25jhMikeSprobably the settings
04:37:21aliaskAye, well that's the biggest issue with it out of the way.
04:37:44jhMikeSMake sure you test all the inputs mic,line,FM Radio
04:38:05jhMikeSI don't know if you have SPDIF or not
04:38:14aliaskH300 doesn't have it, so I can't check.
04:38:22aliaskBut I've checked FM and Mic
04:38:25aliaskBoth work fine.
04:38:31jhMikeScool...
04:38:38jhMikeSNo line?
04:38:46saratogathanks
04:38:53saratogaodd that there was a problem with doom
04:38:58saratogait shouldn't even be built on the 3G
04:39:31aliaskJust went and fetched my line in cable, I'll check it now.
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04:42:30aliaskLine in works fine.
04:43:12aliaskThis patch is excellent though, now I can leave my mp3 player on overnight recording radio shows and not worry about disk space.
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04:44:49jhMikeSgo ahead and give it workout
04:45:15ryanpg_lostlogic, hey right-on with your thoughts on "control" :)
04:48:14*jhMikeS is very controlling
04:49:18*aliask lunches
04:49:35jhMikeSaliask: be sure to leave a good comment there after lunch :)
04:51:10*jhMikeS goes to shower and rejoin the "ranks" of human-like scent. *not THAT bad really*
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04:58:40Drkepiloguehey ppls
04:59:05Drkepiloguejust wonder, what kind of work and info will it need to make rockbox compatable with the ipod remore(4g ones)
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05:01:15saratogawhat does this line actually do in codec.c:
05:01:17saratoga#define sim_codec_close(x)
05:03:55saratoganevermind, i guess it would just remove that function call from the code
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05:21:18michaelconnerhi
05:21:33michaelconnergot a question re: the button remapping thing that's been going on in cvs... is this something that an end user would notice or is it just re-written code?
05:21:59FebsBoth, but mostly re-written code.
05:23:09michaelconneri've been playing around with my first new cvs build in a couple of months (5g ipod) −− didn't notice anything immediately different. maybe it'll surprise me.
05:24:35daurnimatorMUST.... TERMINATE..... Sarah, no, michaelconner
05:24:45michaelconnerheheh
05:25:44michaelconnercool... keep up the good work, folks...
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05:29:06Drkepilogueon the main page, it said something about the first attempt on quickstart
05:29:19Drkepiloguedoes that mean booting up RB quickier??
05:29:46Soap'cause it is SO slow now.
05:29:59Drkepilogue...
05:30:05Drkepilogueim nto saying it is slow...
05:31:21Drkepilogueim just not sure about its funtion
05:31:23scorcheDrkepilogue: not quite sure myself, but if you notice, the change was made to the manual
05:32:07Drkepiloguehmm
05:32:12Drkepiloguedidnt notice that
05:32:23scorcheDrkepilogue: check the diff
05:35:47Drkepilogueok
05:35:47Drkepiloguei see
05:35:51Drkepiloguenot sure what changed...
05:35:53Drkepiloguebut eh...
05:36:13Drkepiloguecan u help em on this tho, saw i want to get a code started for ipod remote support
05:36:18Drkepiloguehow would i go attempt this
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05:37:47Drkepiloguehey paul, u there?
05:38:26sharpeNo, he has his IRC client automated to log in at this time.
05:38:31Drkepilogueo
05:38:33Drkepiloguexd
05:38:36Paul_The_Nerd:-P
05:38:36DrkepiloguexD
05:38:40Drkepiloguerawr
05:38:56Drkepiloguethis some sorta suto respond thing now?
05:39:20Paul_The_NerdOf course.
05:39:29Drkepilogueah ic ic
05:39:36Drkepilogueowells
05:39:40Drkepilogueill ask quetion at a later time
05:39:52Paul_The_NerdI have created a complex series of scripts to pick up key words such as "auto" and combinations such as "ipod" and "not" and "work" and respond with generic replies that sound somewhat like me.
05:40:08Drkepilogueu sure have alot of time on yur hands...
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05:40:13sharpeAnd that reference the general urls to the manual and wiki.
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05:41:24sharpeThat would be really strange if he believed that...
05:42:50Paul_The_NerdHehehe
05:43:26jhMikeS:D
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05:54:23FebsPaul_The_Nerd, here's one that your script could have taken care of: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6128.0
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05:57:40Paul_The_NerdHehehe
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05:58:55scorcheFebs / Paul_The_Nerd: did one of you move a post into the old general forums?
05:59:48Paul_The_NerdIt may have been me
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06:00:26Paul_The_Nerdscorche: It should be fixed
06:00:34scorcheit is
06:01:39Paul_The_NerdIt was me.
06:01:58FebsSo I just got a PM from the author of the thread I linked to above asking "in what way does my subject have nothing to do with Rockbox?"
06:02:36scorcheheh...in what way *does* it?
06:03:07Paul_The_NerdWell, he's added that he has Rockbox installed now.
06:04:02*Paul_The_Nerd has now answered his question successfully.
06:05:15FebsSomething tells me he won't like the answer.
06:07:37Paul_The_NerdWell, that's what he gets for saying he knew how to fix it in Apple OS. :)
06:08:13Febs:)
06:08:36scorchelol...nice answer
06:08:42Paul_The_NerdIt's truthful.
06:08:46scorchei know
06:08:50scorchewhich makes it all the better
06:09:53scorchePaul_The_Nerd: curious, what kind of phone *do* you have?
06:10:46Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Cingular 2125, also known as the HTC Faraday
06:10:59FebsI think I'm going to change my signature to say something like, "Please explain your problem clearly. My crystal ball is broken."
06:11:06*Paul_The_Nerd grins
06:11:42Paul_The_Nerdscorche: It was kinda a desperation purchase. It cost a bit more than I wanted to pay for just a phone, but I needed one that day, I needed one that isn't a clamshell design, and my choices were that, or pay a little MORE for a phone without the PDA functions, but with iTunes instead.
06:12:07scorcheick...rckr?
06:12:13scorcheor v3?
06:12:35scorchePDA functions on a phone are quite nice though
06:12:52scorchei used to hate carrying a phone around and my T3
06:13:14FebsThe combination of PDA and phone is essential for me.
06:13:25scorchesame
06:13:35scorchei ended up sitting on my T3
06:13:54scorcheand the same time, i believe my wallet emitted some sound
06:14:05Paul_The_NerdWell, I used to use an old HP Jornada 568.
06:14:41Paul_The_NerdBack before the HP/Compaq stuff.
06:14:46scorchebut, recently, someone i know was getting a new phone, so i was able to get a new phone (his was broken, so i warranty-ed it), and so i now have a treo 650\
06:15:02scorchei would much rather have a different pda/phone, but you cant argue with free
06:15:14FebsMy wallet screamed in pain the day I dropped my Treo on the pavement and cracked the LCD.
06:15:14Paul_The_NerdFree is certainly an acceptable price.
06:15:40Paul_The_NerdOuch
06:15:50scorcheyeah..i got my T3 when it was $400
06:15:57scorcheand the top model
06:16:28scorcheshould have gotten it at CompUSA...their extra warranty covers the screen and accidental damage
06:17:26FebsI found a service plan at Franklin Covey that covers screen damage.
06:17:41scorchehandy thing to have..
06:18:45scorchei am loving the treo though....sooooo much better than a cheap audiovox phone that verizon had for free when signing up for a new plan
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07:51:42CrackerizerHell, I've checked the source. there is nothing wrong. but i still get the lcd-bitmap.c:29: error: `UI_LCD_BGCOLORLIGHT' undeclared error.
07:51:53CrackerizerHello,
07:51:58Crackerizernot hell :)
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08:00:02amiconnCrackerizer: YOu're trying to build the sim? For what target?
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08:06:28*amiconn experienced a really strange playback quirk on his H140 :(
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08:07:07ootputdoes rockbox (in the default setup) consume more battery power than apple's firmware on an ipod mini?
08:07:15amiconnyes
08:07:28ootputamiconn: significantly more?
08:07:43amiconnDepends a bit though - on the mini g2 it's not that bad
08:08:03ootputwhat's the best way to go about reducing this power consumption?
08:08:10amiconnRockbox still needs a lot of codec optimisation for ipod
08:08:19ootputoh
08:08:56ootputrockbox ipod power
08:09:06amiconnYou can save some power by using other codecs than mp3
08:09:10ootputerr, ^ @ google window
08:09:20ootputyeah, i'm using flac
08:09:35amiconnflac is one of our most efficient codecs
08:10:16amiconnBut since it has to load from disk more often, battery runtime will never be as good as with a more compressed formats - provided the codec for the latter is also well optimised
08:10:40amiconnCurrently, ogg vorbis is more efficient on ipod than mp3
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08:10:52Galoisor you could just use a flash based disk
08:11:05ootputthe iriver products?
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08:11:54[HO]vo|thello is there a known problemon the iAudio x5 where a "joystick right" press is registered as a "joystick center" press, or may it be my hardware?
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08:14:36killa909hey gus
08:14:39killa909guys
08:14:50ootputnot particularly
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08:15:30killa909yo any TERMINAL nerds around to help me out? I really need some help in OS X
08:17:03killa909really?
08:17:15killa909 i got so much help here the other day
08:17:24killa909thats really disappointing
08:17:42Paul_The_NerdWell, among other things, this isn't an OS X support channel.
08:17:55killa909right
08:17:59scorcheyour patience is something to be looked up to as well
08:18:05killa909lol
08:18:10killa909by my clock i waited 2 minutes
08:18:21scorchewow...a whole 2 min...impressive
08:18:25killa909good points by both
08:18:42killa909you know the feeling when something is wrong with your cpu and its just unbearable
08:19:19killa909well...
08:19:26killa909that would be an understatement of how i feel
08:19:27Paul_The_NerdYeah. It's when I seek support in the proper places, so I can get help quickly that is actually effective.
08:20:00Paul_The_NerdAsking for help with OS X in a channel that's dedicated to an MP3 player operating system is like signing onto XBox live and asking random people for tips in the new Zelda game.
08:20:05killa909listen Paul, the only thing thats changed on my machine in the last couple days is this
08:20:28ootputhm, is it worth saving up for an iriver 320? or should i go with a similar ipod offering?
08:20:42ootputor even get a hold of a 120 instead
08:21:00Paul_The_Nerdootput: Depends on how much you want the hardware differences.
08:21:15Paul_The_Nerdkilla909: "this" contains no information that tells me what actually changed.
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08:21:28killa909it implies, Rockbox
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08:22:26Paul_The_Nerdkilla909: Since Rockbox isn't a change you apple to a computer in ANY way, it doesn't imply Rockbox in the slightest.
08:22:36Paul_The_Nerdapply, rather than apple
08:22:52amiconnapple isn't completely wrong in this case ;)
08:23:04Paul_The_NerdHeh
08:23:23killa909alright, vagaries aside, after the installation process I noticed this problem
08:24:04killa909regarding volumes on my computer, and some odd invisible representation of them on my hard disk
08:24:16killa909not an alias, but a representation
08:25:17Paul_The_NerdAgain, Rockbox doesn't make any changes to your host system.
08:25:36killa909Paul, I realize that
08:25:41sharpeUnless you, mistakingly made those changes yourself.
08:26:01killa909which, I am admitting may very well have possibly happened
08:26:10killa909although I find it relatively doubtful
08:26:16killa909its still possible
08:26:23Paul_The_NerdIt's the only thing that could've happened.
08:26:34killa909okay
08:26:39killa909so, I made a mistake
08:26:55killa909cause I cant tell the difference between cd and ls
08:26:57killa909sue me
08:27:17killa909now I have a problem, and I was hoping that some kind soul MIGHT take a few minutes to go over it with me
08:27:31Paul_The_NerdA) You haven't actually explained very clearly at all what the problem is.
08:27:54killa909paul, are you offering your services?
08:28:01Paul_The_NerdB) Because the problem actually has to do with your operating system, and not Rockbox, even if you caused the problem by making a mistake in the Rockbox install, you're most likely to get good help by going somewhere dedicated to OSX support
08:28:18Paul_The_NerdThere are *very* few OSX users in here.
08:28:19killa909point taken
08:28:26killa909and this i know
08:28:29sharpeStrange, eh?
08:28:36killa909but, Im not sure where else to go, honestly
08:28:42Paul_The_NerdMy whole point all along has been that you're quite unlikely to get good help here, because this isn't where the experts you need are.
08:29:00Paul_The_NerdI would suggest trying to come up with an effective way to describe your problem, the googling for appropriate keywords.
08:29:24killa909the problem is relatively simple...
08:31:00killa909somehow, a ghost folder representing my volumes was created or activated in the cpu's consciousness... so lets say when a program creates a file, like my web browser saving a file, azureus downloading a torrent, etc the files are saved in an invisible folder...
08:31:33Paul_The_Nerdkilla909: http://macosx.com/tech-support/ask/ <−− Maybe here? Claims to be free Mac OS-X tech support.
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08:31:50Doomedhey
08:32:09sharpekilla909: For all intensive purposes, I'd suggest you use OS instead of CPU...
08:32:48killa909its, "intents and purposes" point taken... true it is the OS
08:34:10Paul_The_NerdAs I've said, it's highly unlikely you'll even find an OS X user here at any given point in time. Asking the questions here is just delaying your actually getting an answer from an effective source.
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08:34:12killa909I really think the nature of the problem is more well suited to a chat type forum, rather than a BBS
08:34:42sharpekilla909: Well, that's not really up to us, now is it...?
08:34:49killa909nope...
08:34:57killa909stab in the dark
08:34:58Doomedi use osx
08:35:01Doomedosx86
08:35:05Paul_The_NerdAgain, even if it's more suited to chat, asking in the wrong place isn't going to make the wrong place more suited to answer your question.
08:35:30Doomedanyway im having trouble updating this source to the latest cbs
08:35:32[HO]vo|tPaul_The_Nerd you are active in this channel like 24/7 go to bed man :)
08:35:54Paul_The_NerdHahaha
08:35:56killa909I was, in fact, given good support in the installation process in this channel
08:36:14[HO]vo|tkilla909 that's because you were installing rockbox, not troubleshooting osx :/
08:36:18Doomedosx user trying to put rockbox on ipod ?
08:36:30killa909Doomed, no
08:36:31Paul_The_NerdDoomed: OSX user who has non-Rockbox problems seeking help.
08:36:38Doomedlol
08:36:42killa909AKA, dont help <
08:36:44Doomedwhy come in here?
08:36:49killa909okay okay
08:37:13killa909Ill say this, last night while frustrated with my computer, playing Chess on the ipod was quite consoling
08:37:24Paul_The_NerdI mean, I'm not trying to be mean.
08:37:35Doomedk so i have this source dl, now im in cgywin but i cant get it to be updated
08:37:41Paul_The_NerdBut I honestly can't help, and I know many of the other people in here probably can't either, so I'm just trying to direct you to some better ideas.
08:37:50Paul_The_NerdDoomed: "can't get it to be updated"?
08:38:08Doomedto the latest cvs
08:38:24killa909alright guys
08:38:26killa909goodnight
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08:38:48Paul_The_NerdDoomed: If you're downloading the source archive, don't you just download the newest one and extract it, and compile there?'
08:38:52Doomedhttp://homepage.sunrise.ch/mysunrise/remartinelli/html/rockbox.html
08:39:32Paul_The_NerdWe can't support his source. Any reason it may not compile could be something he's changed.
08:39:48Doomedok
08:39:56Paul_The_NerdAs well it would actually be illegal to download from him in the USA
08:40:12Doomedbut i dont need to compile before i update the source right
08:40:14Doomedwhy is that?
08:40:27Paul_The_NerdBecause he's distributing copyrighted arcade ROMs with it.
08:40:44Doomedlol which?
08:40:47Paul_The_NerdPacman.
08:41:07Doomedo
08:41:14Doomedits not listed
08:41:21Paul_The_NerdIt is included, though.
08:41:27Doomedin the source too>?
08:41:31Paul_The_NerdI don't know.
08:41:35sharpeI doubt it.
08:41:44Paul_The_NerdDoesn't seem like something you'd include with a source-only build.
08:41:47Paul_The_NerdOr rather non-build
08:41:55Doomedyeah
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08:42:04Paul_The_NerdEither way, for problems with his source, contact him.
08:42:13Doomedbut i dont need to compile to update with the cvs correct?
08:42:43Paul_The_NerdIf you're downloading source, the whole purpose of source is to be compiled.
08:42:49Doomedyes
08:43:05Doomedbut i want to update it to the latest cvs, since his is a month old
08:43:14sharpeOh well. Pretty sure I should have gone to sleep a few hours ago.
08:43:19Paul_The_NerdThen apply the same patches he does.
08:43:22sharpeGoodnight.
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08:43:30ghode|afkdoes anyone know how i can find out what files are causing my tagcache building to fail?
08:43:40Doomedso i guess i cant just combine?
08:44:01Slasherighode|afk: how does it fail?
08:44:17Slasheriany particular file shouldn't cause tagcache build to fail
08:44:36Paul_The_NerdDoomed: There's not really an easy way, no.
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08:44:46Doomeddamn ok
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08:45:27*Doomed wishes that guy made one giant patch
08:46:00Galoisit wouldn't help
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08:46:10Doomedwhy
08:46:31Galoisif you can't patch his rockboxsource.zip up to cvs, then neither would you be able to patch cvs up to his giant patch
08:46:48Doomedi get to cvs up -dP
08:46:49Doomedthen nothing
08:47:05Doomeddunno if im logging in wrong or i have to make that rockbox-devel folder
08:47:10ghode|afkSlasheri: looking at the debug menu it gets to file 377 then my player freezes
08:47:14Galoisthat's not normal. normally cvs will give you a failure message when it fails.
08:47:25ghode|afkI have to then reboot it (ipod 5g)
08:47:32GaloisI suggest trying cvs _without_ funky patches and make sure it works normally first
08:47:41Slasherighode|afk: ah, so it completely freezes. then the metadata reader has a bug
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08:47:59Slasherighode|afk: do you have an iriver player with the remote?
08:48:20ghode|afkyes h140 somewhere, dont know where the remote is though :/
08:48:46Slasheribecause with a logf build you could be able to find that file.. or using the simulator
08:48:47Doomedhm im thinkin im just fking up somewhere
08:48:48Doomedlater
08:49:26ghode|afkanyway i can get one for my ipod?
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09:08:23CrackerizerSorry, i'm back.
09:08:23Crackerizeramiconn: 3g ipod.
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09:10:32Crackerizertest message.
09:12:30amiconnSlasheri: Do you have an idea what might cause the following bug? I resumed a playlist, which worked correctly. But a few minutes later playback just stopped, and then resume told me "Nothing to resume" although the playlist did definitely not end for real.
09:12:36amiconnH140
09:12:50Crackerizeramiconn: sorry, i'm back.
09:13:05Crackerizeramiconn: i built it for 3g ipod.
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09:13:45amiconnHmm, no 3G sim in the cvs builds. Maybe the UI defines are missing for 3G
09:14:09amiconnI'll check as soon as my targets builds will finish
09:14:51amiconnWhat's the backlight colour of a 3G? White?
09:15:15CrackerizerAh, There is no UI definitions for 3g.
09:15:22Crackerizerwhite, yes.
09:15:52amiconnOk, so I'll just copy the colour from the mini build.
09:16:20Crackerizeramiconn: when will you commit to the cvs?
09:16:20*amiconn ponders replacing the UI bitmaps which are currently made from scans by versions made from the SVGs
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09:27:55Crackerizerwhere is the rockbox API page?
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09:35:50Slasheriamiconn: hmm, that sounds weird
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09:49:38amiconnSlasheri: Hmm, looks like it was my fault. Didn't notice shuffle was enabled (!)
09:52:28amiconnWeird eh!
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10:22:03amiconnHmm, there is a somewhat serious problem in the action stuff :/
10:22:56amiconnget_action() returns the same value (ACTION_NONE), regardless whether an unassociated button was pressed or it returns from a timeout
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10:24:08amiconnSo it's impossible to make requests with automatic timeout work properly, at least without tracking time separately.
10:24:25amiconnI guess the latter is not the intention of the action stuff...
10:26:36amiconnThere's another problem - I can't see an easy way to have plugins add their own contexts.
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10:41:11MassaHi everybody!
10:41:44MassaAnybody here who wants to discuss token based WPS parsing?
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10:47:44Crackerizerwhere is the rockbox api page?
10:47:57Crackerizerany reference?
10:48:15daurn|laptoprockbox.org/api
10:48:18daurn|laptopj\k
10:48:19midkaycan't you search the wiki? what exactly are you looking for?
10:49:13linuxstb_Crackerizer: There's no single "API page". There's some documentation for developers in the wiki, but otherwise you can either read the source or ask specific questions here.
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10:50:41dan_alinuxstb_: Any luck with the COP yet?
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10:58:49JdGordonevening all
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10:59:03daurn|laptopJdGordon: australian?
10:59:08JdGordonyup
10:59:14daurn|laptopyay!
10:59:19MassaSomebody here who wants to discuss some problems I have with token based WPS parsing? I need some ideas ;)
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11:00:02MassaHi JdGordon - BTW, here it is nearly noon :-p
11:00:27JdGordonye.. well.. dont look forward to the rest of the day.. nothing special :
11:01:22MassaI'm currently working on a whole new WPS parsing concept - actually I made good progress, but now I've some problems with conditionals and tags inside conditionals.
11:01:51JdGordonthere is a token based wps patch on FS.. have u seen it?
11:02:25MassaThere are two, and I looked at both - I used safetydans version as base - but now it changed a lot :)
11:02:47JdGordon:)
11:03:04dan_aamiconn: I can't get test_gray2 to work. If I run the plugin then press "select" without adjusting the wheel, nothing happens, and I can't exit with menu. If I restart and adjust the wheel a small amount, wait 30 seconds and then press select, nothing happens.
11:03:22MassaI need an idea how to store tags inside other tags (conditionals effectively - normally I would use a tree but I don't have the memory for that!?
11:03:43JdGordonwhy not?
11:04:18JdGordonyou cant just point to a spot in an array?
11:04:43MassaCurrently I just have an array of tokens which are just straight forward. The array has a fixed maximum size. I could change it to be a pointer list - but how do create and delete nodes without memory management?
11:05:37MassaSo you mean each array element could have a pointer to the next tag?
11:06:01JdGordonye, either that, or just build a tree of pointers into your array
11:06:16JdGordonwhich is bassically the same as malloc() anyway, but with a static buffer
11:06:44linuxstb_dan_a: No, not yet.
11:07:42MassaOr maybe have two arrays - one with the tokens and their data and one which contains just pointers to the first array and represents the logical structure.
11:08:00JdGordonyeah
11:08:24MassaWouldn't it make it again to complicated to understand? One of my goals was to make the WPS parsing more understandable for other developers...
11:08:55JdGordondepends how you did it.. but yes... but no worse than it is now tho?
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11:09:40MassaI hope not :) - at least it will be much much easier to implement new tags.
11:11:02JdGordonwell then thats good isnt it?
11:11:05MassaI currently use an array of a fixed structure with all available tags. It contains the tagname, the number of parameters as "normal" tag, the number of parameters as "conditional" and some function pointers for parsing, preload action and loading action.
11:11:41MassaMost of the tags use a default parsing function - only a few (e.g. the RTC tag) need their own parsing function.
11:14:39MassaEvery tag has it's necessary action functions (either only preloading, like "%xl" or only loading, like "%xd" - or maybe both, if needed). The action functions are used to do the "work" of the tag and will be called automatically by the parsing code.
11:15:16MassaSo I hope adding a new tag means to add a new entry to the "all_tags" array and implement the action functions - that's it!
11:16:04JdGordonsounds good
11:16:36JdGordonrememebr.. if it ends up increasing the binary size.. fudge the results, or dont mention it untill its commited :D
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11:18:01MassaOf course I will not say anything about the binary size - until I'm sure it's smaller than now (which I doubt) ;)
11:18:12JdGordon:D
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11:23:37JdGordonBagder: you know how you didnt like that dummy item i had in the menu struct? I figured out a way so its usable.. so no more naughty buggers :D
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11:30:12JdGordonsweet! this works
11:30:22JdGordonwe can now exit from any submenu straight back to the wps
11:32:30MassaCool :D
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11:43:32amiconndan_a: odd...
11:43:37*amiconn rechecks the code
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11:44:47JdGordondoes anyone know if it is possible to use __VA_ARGS__ but put something between each arg?
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11:45:58amiconnJdGordon: I don't think that's possible
11:46:18JdGordoni doubt i t alsoo, but better ask and make sure :p
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11:46:34amiconnJdGordon: There's a problem that prevents making the shutdown screen on recorder v1 work properly with actions...
11:46:47JdGordonoh?
11:46:49amiconnCheck the log startin 10:22
11:46:54amiconn*starting
11:47:09JdGordonk
11:47:34amiconnWe need to be able to distinguish between ACTION_NONE and a timeout
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11:48:09JdGordonoh, yes, Ive been meaning to fix that.. I wanted to change it to ACTION_TIMEOUT and keep ACTION_NONE sepearete.. but keep forgetting
11:48:26amiconnAddding e.g. ACTION_TIMEOUT should be simple, but it might influence other places.
11:48:32amiconnThat needs checking
11:48:39JdGordoni dont think it will be too difficult..
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11:49:00amiconnThe other problem is that I can't see how it would be possible to use special contexts in plugins
11:49:01JdGordonI tinhk its just a matter of replacing _NONE with _TIMEOUT on most screens
11:49:32amiconnNot replacing... both actions can be returned, and need either the same or different handling
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11:50:17amiconnIf I add the changes you suggested, the shutdown screen works for shutdown, but it doesn't disappear automatically if I don't want to shutdown
11:50:35JdGordonthe way I statred doing that for plugins was put a whole list of standard lists (one for directions, one for actions), then the plugin would pass an array of these lists in the order it wants them checked and the plugin lib would take care of that.. it worked, but I accidently deleted the fles
11:50:36amiconnThat's where the timeout action is needed
11:51:18amiconndan_a: Does scrolling back & forth work in test_gray2?
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12:09:49Crackerizeramiconn: hello, is codes for 3g ipod updated?
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12:12:23dan_aamiconn: I'm not quite sure. It seems to, but that might be my imagination
12:12:48amiconnScrolling back & forth should change the moving black "block" on the display
12:13:07amiconnChange the way it moves, that is
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12:35:49Slasherilinuxstb_: would you like to have a look at m4a that generates an endless loop inside the metadata parser?
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12:41:10Crackerizer_bI did copy the UI profile of 4g for 3g ipod, they have the same lcd size. but i dont know about the others.
12:42:49Crackerizer_band i use the same ui image as 4g. (dumb?, but i dont have a 3g picture.)
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12:49:35linuxstb_Slasheri: Sure. There's a patch on the patch tracker which should improve the m4a parsing - it's about time I had a look and committed it.
12:49:39Slasherilinuxstb_: in fact the file works with xine but not with mplayer.. mplayer generates same problem as rockbox: "FATAL: EOF while searching for sequence header."
12:49:47Slasheriah, that sounds good
12:49:54Slasherilinuxstb_: do you have dcc?
12:50:10linuxstb_It's worked in the past... Give it a shot.
12:50:57Slasheriworks well :)
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12:51:25linuxstb_I'm jealous of your 210KB/s upload...
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12:51:49daurn|laptop210kb/s
12:51:54daurn|laptopthats 21* time
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12:52:15linuxstb_Slasheri: Works fine in my version of mplayer - which is a very recent SVN version (a week or two old).
12:52:37linuxstb_But it does say "MOV: missing data (mdat) chunk! Maybe broken file..."
12:52:43Slasheriinteresting.. then i have older version of it
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12:57:20dan_aamiconn: The block is scrolling very quickly, so I can't tell if it is working or not
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13:14:19amiconndan_a: Hmm, odd. The block scrolling very quickly does mean my frequency estimation is quite a bit off. So the grayscale lib's display quality would profit from correcting it.
13:15:07amiconnI wonder what could be wrong with the buttons - the plugin is even hard-codec for ipods. No CONFIG_KEYPAD checks at all
13:15:58dan_aYou said it might lock up if I scrolled too far - could it be locking up because of the frequency estimation being too far out?
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13:19:18amiconnI doubt it. In that case, the grayscale plugins should also lock up. They use half the frequency - but update the whole screen, while test_gray2 only updates 1/4 of the screen
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13:31:54preglowyoyoyoyo wassupwassupwassup
13:32:08XavierGrhahaha
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13:37:38amiconnHmm, does doom work in the sim for anyone?
13:37:48amiconnIt doesn't want to start here at all
13:37:59amiconnTried both X5 and H120
13:38:01amiconnsims
13:39:48linuxstb_I'm sure it worked in the past for me.. Try a colour ipod or H300 sim.
13:40:31linuxstb_In fact, it must have worked - I'm sure I implemented the sim version of the "doom tick".
13:42:10amiconnYes, I know that it has worked in the past.
13:42:28amiconnIt also worked in cygwin, which does now fail
13:42:56amiconnRunning in gdb displays:
13:42:57amiconnwarning: LDR: LdrRelocateImageWithBias() failed 0xc000007b
13:43:03preglowamiconn: sims don't work at all for me
13:43:16amiconn...and some other addresses when I try to run doom
13:43:29amiconnpreglow: oh?
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13:45:33amiconndoom is the largest simulator plugin by far. >1MB
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13:47:42rretzbachHi.
13:49:27markunhi rretzbach
13:49:58rretzbachCan you please tell me how do I check, whether my rb version is up-to-date?
13:50:32daurn|laptopcvs update
13:50:54markunrretzbach: rockbox is updated all the time
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13:51:52rretzbachIs it easy to compile rb in win32?
13:52:15preglowamiconn: sdl sound problems
13:52:26preglowwhich i'm unable to understand
13:52:35preglowsdl sound works just fine here, but not in the rockbox sim
13:52:44amiconnThen it should still work w/o sound
13:53:05preglownope
13:53:12preglowit hangs whenever something sound happens
13:53:18amiconnsdl and the various linux sound implementations are a mess
13:53:25preglowit's got nothing to do with that
13:53:32preglowsdl sound works, as i said
13:53:34amiconnI had to experiment for quite a while until I got it working
13:53:34preglowjust not with the sim
13:54:04amiconn(and I have no gnome system sounds now - not that important though)
13:55:03preglowfirst thing i do is switch those off anyway
13:55:04preglowi hate system sounds
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14:00:09XavierGrI agree with preglow on that
14:00:20XavierGrsystem sounds are very annoying at times
14:00:55amiconnAnnoying or not - it should be possible to make them work together with other sound output
14:01:35amiconn...but the Linux way of having a dozen different, incompatible techniques to do the same things seems to get in the way
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14:04:53XavierGrI agree with amiconn on that. Linux on sound just suck a little bit
14:06:12preglowit does indeed
14:06:24pregloweverything but alsa and jack should just be thrown away
14:06:43preglowand that's pretty much what's happening, so lucky us
14:07:12preglowbut it's not really a problem, if you've got a well set up distro, things should just work
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14:07:26amiconnWell, if alsa were capable of serving more than one sound source at once, it would be okay
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14:07:59Mikachuamiconn: it can
14:08:15amiconnMikachu: It definitely can't do that here
14:08:28amiconn...on 2 different systems
14:08:36Mikachubut you either need a) a soundcard capable of hardware mixing and alsa driver support or b) not use the oss interface (ie /dev/dsp)
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14:09:25preglowamiconn: it can here
14:09:26pregloweasily
14:09:28preglowit's driver dependant
14:09:33amiconnI have set up sdl to use alsa. That works - until I enable gnome's esd (which afaik also uses alsa)
14:09:39preglowamiconn: and if you use the plughw outputs, it does mixing in software as well
14:09:45Crackerizerhow to build .rockbox directory? or i need to create it manually?
14:10:04preglowamiconn: that's not really any different from what windows does
14:10:10preglowit's also driver dependent
14:10:14amiconnIt is different from windows
14:10:23preglowno, it's not
14:10:33amiconnI never encountered problems with playing several sounds at once on windows
14:10:36preglowusing some sound cards, i can't use the same interface in windows
14:10:39preglowno, YOU didn't
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14:10:52preglowi also have no problems with multiple apps using alsa
14:11:03amiconnHow do you set that up??
14:11:09preglowuse a soundblaster live
14:11:13preglowand it works out of the box
14:11:25amiconnI've seen dozens of windows systems with all kinds of sound hardware
14:11:27Mikachui think dmix should also work out of the box, but since i have an sblive i haven't checked
14:11:28preglowalso, like i said, if you use the plughw: outputs of alsa, it'll mix in software
14:12:04amiconnWhy isn't it set up that way out of the box?
14:12:16preglowit's up to the applications what they use
14:12:20preglowand the app codecs are torn, it seems
14:12:26preglowsome software uses plughw by default, some hw
14:12:53preglowit's very nice, if you ask me. this way the user himself gets to choose whether to use the quick or the slow sound card interface
14:12:57Mikachucan't you specify the default in .asoundrc?
14:13:02preglowMikachu: maybe
14:13:15preglows/app codecs/app coders/, btw
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14:16:48Crackerizercan uisimulator run on linux? does it need fat file system?
14:18:03Crackerizeri just built it successful. i put the .rockbox folder to where rockboxui is. but rockboxui shows there is no .rockbox folder..
14:18:23amiconnThe simulated root is the archos/ directory
14:18:26BgerCrackerizer: put it in the archos subfolde
14:18:27preglowCrackerizer: unzip rockbox.zip into archos(
14:18:30preglowarchos/
14:18:35preglowok, you probably got the point now
14:18:37amiconnAnd you don't need to create .rockbox manually, just 'make install'
14:18:53*preglow didn't know about make install
14:18:59Crackerizerthank you.
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14:23:45amiconnpreglow: 'make install' is just 'make fullzip' followed by unzipping to archos/
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14:24:36JdGordon:'( bloody 1100 bytes
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14:25:55amiconnThe H300 sim crashes on linux when it wants to output voice
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14:29:55pixelmatucoz: around?
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14:30:37amiconnIt's mpa.codec that segfaults.... also when trying to play mp3 tracks
14:31:27amiconnStrangely it works on cygwin
14:31:40preglowthere's a bug in mpa.codec still for 64 bit systems
14:31:46preglowat least i haven't fixed it
14:32:06amiconnThat's probably the cause then
14:32:50preglowi haven't even found it, actually
14:32:56preglowit was a bit elusive
14:33:13amiconnIt segfaults in synth_full, synth.c line 998
14:37:29preglowit does? i didn't get that clear a message
14:40:12amiconnProgram received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
14:40:12amiconn[Switching to Thread 1166059872 (LWP 2700)]
14:40:12amiconn0x00002aaaaac18ea0 in synth_full (synth=0x2aaaaad2e880, frame=0x2aaaaad32740,
14:40:12DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn
14:40:12amiconn nch=1, ns=36) at synth.c:998
14:40:12amiconn998 pcm[-sb] = SHIFT(MLZ(hi, lo));
14:44:30preglowi hope that's a gcc bug
14:44:34preglowwhat type is sb?
14:44:42CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
14:44:42*preglow remebers he can check himself :>
14:45:01preglowas i thought
14:45:04preglowit's an unsigned int
14:45:11preglowthat'll break on 64 bit systems
14:45:24Mikachucan you have negative stuff in []?
14:45:27preglowsure
14:45:36preglowproblem is, that's not negative on 64 bit systems
14:45:40preglowit's very positive
14:45:44Mikachui see
14:46:05amiconnThat's no gcc bug then
14:46:25preglownope
14:46:30amiconndoom seems to have a similar problem
14:46:42amiconnIt freezes on 64bit linux, but works on 32bit linux
14:48:27amiconnpreglow: Shouldn't it work if it's first cast to int (or long) and then negated?
14:48:50preglowprobably
14:48:54preglowbetter would be to alter the type
14:49:02preglowmake it signed, if possible, or an unsigned long if not
14:49:08amiconnHmm, maybe not if the number is supposed to be negative before negating
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14:52:04amiconnIt seems to only ever run from 15 to 0, so int should be ok
14:54:07amiconnNow it crashes at a different point...
14:54:20preglowthat kind of 64 bit bug is my favourite
14:54:23preglowi see it all the time
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14:55:26amiconnProgram received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
14:55:27amiconn[Switching to Thread 1166059872 (LWP 4334)]
14:55:27amiconn0x00002aaaaac12336 in mad_frame_decode (frame=0x2aaaaad32740,
14:55:27amiconn stream=0x2aaaaad326c0) at frame.c:451
14:55:27amiconn451 if (decoder_table[frame->header.layer - 1](stream, frame) == -1) {
14:56:19preglowthese bugs should probably be reported to the libmad author as well
14:56:24preglowif no one has already
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15:03:50amiconnpreglow: Same kind of mistake, only less obvious....
15:04:40amiconnHmm, not really
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15:05:24amiconnprint frame.header->layer
15:05:35amiconn$1 = 3319614278
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15:46:13ranunculoidWhat exactly is the "boost ratio" in the audio thread? Do lower values here mean less cpu usage?
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15:47:31Paul_The_NerdBasically the processor alternates between boosted and unboosted, and the ratio represents what percentage of the time it's having to stay boosted.
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15:51:54preglow_ARRRRRGGHGHGG_
15:52:20amiconnHmm. It's the sound what makes doom hang on X5. With sound disabled it works
15:52:46preglowlinux just _HUNG_
15:52:47preglowvery pretty
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15:53:20Mikachuoh no, doomsday is here
15:53:50ranunculoidThanks Paul_The_Nerd. Is there an audioscrobbler plugin for rockbox by any chance? (That'd be so cool)
15:54:02preglowand worse yet, my complete browser tab history of about twenty tabs _vanished_
15:54:03preglowbagh
15:54:33preglowi'm willing to bet it's fucking csound being the idiot
15:54:41Mikachuno nvidia or such?
15:54:59Mikachuhm, does csound run with realtime privs?
15:55:38belzeranunculoid: that would only be possible on a few platforms, as you need a rtc for that
15:56:44Mikachudoes it _have_ to know when you played it?
15:56:58ranunculoidbelze: Which platforms is it possible on and how do I know if I have an rtc :D
15:57:03Bgerpreglow: sysrq ?
15:57:14linuxstb_ranunculoid: Does Rockbox display the time in the top-right corner?
15:57:25ranunculoidYup
15:57:26belzeMikachu: yes
15:57:30linuxstb_Then you have an RTC.
15:57:43ranunculoidreal-time clock
15:57:45ranunculoidcool
15:57:50linuxstb_I think it's just the iriver h1x0 that doesn't.
15:58:09Mikachuspeaking of rtc, whatever happened to the calendar plugin?
15:58:23pixelmalinuxstb_: and the Ondio ;)
15:58:35amiconnAnd the player
15:58:36ranunculoidSo does one actually exist or was that just a hypothetical prerequisit?
15:58:49belzeranunculoid: none exists so far
15:58:54ranunculoid:(
15:59:05Mikachuthat isn't exactly true
15:59:11Mikachuhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166
15:59:57belzeoh, sorry then
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16:51:03amiconnAhahaha, seems I've found the cause for doom hanging with sound on X5
16:51:17amiconnIt is pure luck that it works on iriver.
16:51:20PaulJam" for the battery level, the first enum is used when the level is unknown" - i'm not sure if i understand that correctly. under what circumstances would the batterylevel be unknown?
16:51:43amiconnThe coldfire has two SRAM blocks, only one of which is DMA capable.
16:52:24amiconnThe MCF5249 (irivers) has 64KB (DMA) + 32KB (non-DMA), split into 48KB for core and 48KB for plugin usage.
16:52:40amiconnResult: The first 16KB of plugin IRAM is DMA capable, the rest is not
16:53:14amiconnBut the SCF5250 has 64KB (DMA) + 64KB (non-DMA), split into 80KB for core and 48KB for plugin usage
16:53:28amiconnResult: all plugin IRAM is incapable of DMA
16:53:48amiconnNow doom places the sound 'mixbuffer' in IRAM - and sound playback uses DMA...
16:53:48Learpauljam: don't ask me, battery_level can apparantly return -1 sometimes... :p
16:53:58Mikachumaybe for the sim?
16:54:11Mikachuor new ports where battery reading isn't implemented, like ipods 3 months ago
16:55:55*amiconn prepares to prove his theory
16:58:13Genre9mp3I can't understand that either (about the first enum of battery level)
16:58:19PaulJamso then i guess i can savely ignore the first enum and leave it blank. thanks.
16:58:29LearIt appears it can actually only be -1 very early on (or not yet implemented). The -1 check was present before in the WPS code, so I just moved it to a better place.
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16:59:04amiconnIt used to be -1 for the first minute after boot, in order to let the battery level readout stabilise before displaying it
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17:00:08*amiconn would like to split IRAM differently on X5 than it is now
17:00:31Genre9mp3But now, after that commit, battery indicatiors in WPS have changed behavior
17:01:06LearA little, yes. They show a bit too high, but it's not that bad, is it?
17:01:11LearAnd it is easy to fix.
17:02:11amiconnYay! My theory was correct! :-)
17:03:45Genre9mp3Well, I don't think it's good idea to the let the user know that he has "enough" battery while this is not the case...
17:03:50markunamiconn: good catch
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17:05:45Genre9mp3Lear: Can this be fixed to the old behavior easily?
17:06:52LearWell, yes, but the old wasn't really correct either. If the level was -1, the wps would show full battery...
17:07:22markunkarim: hi
17:07:35markunare you mirak?
17:08:39karimyes
17:08:45LearOops, just realized it will handle the -1 case incorrectly... :)
17:08:57PaulJamGenre9mp3: i guess you only have to replace every occurance of "%?bl<" with "%?bl<|" in every wps.
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17:09:56LearOr add a proper image...
17:10:13Genre9mp3PaulJam: Do you think that altering all these wps is a good idea for the users?
17:10:20Lear(No, it will be handled correctly, but in the "wrong" way... :) )
17:11:34PaulJamGenre9mp3: i think at least the wps that are in cvs should be adapted to the new syntax.
17:12:43Genre9mp3Most of the wps represent the battery with 4 steps. Now you get 1 out of 4 even at 1% while before you would get none out of 4
17:12:54Genre9mp3PaulJam: And what about other wps?
17:13:39Genre9mp3I mean it would be better if we could avoid this...
17:14:09Genre9mp3If there's a way to implement this -1 correctly without "break" all the wps
17:14:42LearNot with dynamic enums, no...
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17:15:36LearBtw, before the change, there were actually 6 battery levels...
17:15:58Genre9mp3Lear: How many battery levels are now?
17:16:24pixelmaas I understand you can have as many as you like
17:16:30LearAs many as there are images, minus one.
17:16:54Genre9mp3ok
17:17:32Genre9mp3http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS should be updated for people to know
17:19:19Genre9mp3So it's actually %?bl<-1|0|1|2|...|N> now, right?
17:20:51LearYes.
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17:22:40Genre9mp3And the volume? %?pv<0|1|2|...|N> (there isn't -1 there, right) ?
17:23:33LearCorrect. (I'm editing the Wiki right now, btw)
17:24:15Genre9mp3Lear: Oh... I was asking to change it myself... but yes. It's better you do it. :)
17:25:14PaulJamLear: while you are editing, you could remove the "A-B (Archos only so far)" from the description of the %mm tag.
17:25:32LearYou mean the "archos only" part?
17:25:42PaulJamyes
17:26:00amiconnMost targets have A-B repeat nowadays, but not all
17:27:16PaulJamoh, i thought all softwarecodec targets have a-b repeat.
17:27:28pixelmabut the wps tags don't distinguish between targets who have that or not
17:28:21amiconnPaulJam: It depends on the number ov available buttons, not on codec
17:28:31amiconnArchos recorder was the first to have A-B repeat
17:28:38amiconns/ov/of/
17:29:29pixelmaoh ok it's the last entry... so you could leave it out (for the Ondio)
17:29:57pixelmain the enum part I mean
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17:32:27LearOk, wiki updated, with the "mm" fix.
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18:58:37Rob2222Is there a reason, why there is no /font dir in the daily builds anymore?
18:58:46Ribsyes
18:58:51Ribsit's a seperate download these days
18:58:56Soapfonts=big
18:59:12Soapand not updated enough to justify a new download every day.
18:59:32Rob2222ah ok. roger
18:59:59Rob2222so fnt files are not out of date ;)
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19:05:26BockBilbohello
19:06:41markunhi
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19:09:08BockBilbois there any app for win or linux to build the tag cache from a pc instead of making it with rockbox?
19:09:22BockBilboaqui hay un ejemplo de uso
19:09:22BockBilbohttp://www.litoweb.net/pfn2/
19:09:35BockBilboyo lo q he hecho ha sido cambiarle el css
19:09:38BockBilboxa q se adapte a mi web
19:09:52BockBilbola instalacion es sencilla
19:09:54SoapBockBilbo - there is no such app, and this is an English only channel
19:10:02BockBilboo my bad.. wrong channel
19:10:03BockBilbo:S
19:10:08BockBilboSoap, isnt there?
19:10:53BockBilbommm Soap and do you think that its possible to do it?
19:11:12BockBilboi think it will be very usefull
19:11:15SoapIt is possible
19:11:38*Genre9mp3 wonders if the simulator can do such a thing
19:11:57PaulJamdidn't someone adjust the script for the old TagDb to work with tagcache?
19:12:03markunGenre9mp3: probably
19:12:11Soapit is more properly refered to as a UI simulator, is it not Genre9mp3?
19:12:56Soapmarkun - I didn't realize the simulator ran such code, I thought it stoped at interface level stuff.
19:13:13markunSoap: I used it to test some tagcache stuff
19:13:20BockBilbommm
19:13:21BockBilbook
19:13:21Genre9mp3Soap: You can run plugins in the sim as well
19:13:26SoapI was wrong!
19:13:27BockBilboso i might do a little script on python
19:13:49BockBilbois tagcache fully documented on the wiki?
19:15:59Genre9mp3BockBilbo: Are the info here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache enough for you?
19:16:57BockBilbommm i guess
19:17:03BockBilboi will have to take a look
19:17:22BockBilboive already made an script to access to the mp3 id3 tags
19:17:29BockBilboso this shouldnt be hard
19:17:29Genre9mp3That's why I gave you the link ;)
19:18:09Genre9mp3BockBilbo: So you plan to make that app you asked for?
19:18:39BockBilboi guess
19:18:44BockBilbobut like in a month or so
19:18:50BockBilboi have to do some exams before
19:18:51BockBilbo;)
19:19:12BockBilbothough, im only going to make it for mp3 files
19:19:25Genre9mp3Well, best of luck on that then... I guess :P
19:19:28Genre9mp3:)
19:19:41BockBilboif someone then wants to add some ofther feature, he'll have the code available
19:19:47BockBilbo:)
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19:19:56BockBilbothanks!
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19:21:27rotatorbah, the seeking algorithm in libflac is braindead, time to come up with a better one...
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19:26:44linuxstb_rotator: Seeking in FLAC is much easier with seektables...
19:27:07rotatori'm have sample-accurate seeking almost done ;)
19:27:19rotators/i'm/i
19:27:28PaulJamBockBilbo: in case you read the log, on june 28. hardeep committed a change to the songdb.pl to support tagcache: " Re-adding songdb.pl with support for tagcache. Works with mp3 and has partial support for ogg."
19:27:55rotatori'm adapting the libflac routines to work with out ffmpeg implementation
19:28:43rotatorthe main problem is with files without seektables, the libflac algorithm works, but it's sloooooow
19:30:22linuxstb_I wish Josh had just made seektables compulsory in FLAC files...
19:30:42linuxstb_Compared to the size of a FLAC file, a 1-second seektable is insignificant.
19:30:47rotatorit would make things much easier
19:32:35rotatorright now libflac makes a best guess jump into the file, then traverses frame by frame until it hit the target
19:32:52rotatorand sometimes the guess is off by hundred of frames
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19:33:19rotatorfor long files without a seektable, that is
19:33:24linuxstb_And doesn't it walk through all the frames individually in order to find the right one?
19:33:48rotatoryes, which is very slow if it's off by a lot
19:34:01linuxstb_IIRC, the sync-bytes that mark a frame header can also appear in the middle of a frame...
19:34:13rotatorand worse if it's guess overshoots and need to walk backwards
19:34:29linuxstb_All these things made be not even attempt to implement seeking outside the seekpoints.
19:34:42rotatoryep, i already have the frame sync algorithm implemented
19:35:07rotatornow you can jump to any offset and sync to the next frame
19:35:52rotatorjust a few bugs left then i think i'll have something ready to commit
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19:37:14Genre9mp3Wow...730 rockbox users already
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19:38:23rotatoron rasher's map, i take it?
19:38:36rretzbachIs there a way to sort a playlist by filepaths?
19:38:46Genre9mp3rotator: yes
19:38:47rotatorhaha, the map takes a while to load now
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19:40:35preglowi wish there was some way to mask out selected groups
19:40:45preglowlike only seeing devs, etc
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19:42:24rotatorhooray, there are finally users on the map within 100 miles of me!
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19:46:00Angyrmanh10Hi everybody... Anyone in here who could answer a short WPS related question ??
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20:07:22Sanhey
20:07:29Sanwhats an ATA -71 error?
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20:11:10ootputhi guys, how do i navigate the 'save .cfg' screen? I can input/delete chars fine, but how do i save the file itself (ipod mini)
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20:14:06markunSan: when do you get that error?
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20:17:04rretzbachI love rockbox, tho I just have an ihp 120 it's awesomely great and totally incomparable to the default firmware's features.
20:17:26rretzbachI just wanted to say that :) Thank you.
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20:21:32belzerretzbach: yes, i also use it on an iriver
20:21:46rretzbachThis sounds like you got one of the h300 series.
20:22:35belzeno, i have the h110
20:22:47belzeor as it was called earlier iHP-100
20:23:10lexheh
20:23:11rretzbachAhh. So it's the same as mine.
20:23:16lexi just bought a 300GB hd for 45 euros :)
20:23:19belzealmost
20:23:24belzenice deal
20:23:36rretzbachlex small enough for the mp3 player? ;)
20:23:39lexrretzbach: yeah :p
20:23:50lexit was so cheap so i had to buy it
20:24:00lexit will replace my 60GB IDE maxtor :p
20:24:10rretzbachSo your "yeah" was a lie?
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20:24:24lexmaybe it was
20:24:33lexbut s-ata is not connectable to my ipod
20:24:33rretzbachYou intentionally manipulated me?
20:24:37lexbut my IDE maxtors would be
20:24:42lexsomething like that
20:24:48rretzbachTho nice deal.
20:25:09rretzbachBut an mp3 player with >=100GB would be nice too
20:25:23lexand it has a guarantee to the year 2010
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20:25:45lexyep
20:25:54lexbut 20GBs is enough for my musics
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20:26:10rretzbachI think there will be some development in the next 4 years in the storage device branch.
20:26:18rretzbachlex, same here
20:26:31lex:)
20:26:47lexrretzbach: http://www.engadget.com/2005/03/14/the-300gb-ipod-and-you/ take a look at that ;)
20:26:54rretzbachThere is a limit to how many tracks you like simultaneous.
20:27:00lexbut you might need a good power source for the hd
20:27:07rretzbachtrve
20:27:24lexthe hd could suck the ipod so dry in a few minutes
20:28:20rretzbachhrhr
20:29:03rretzbachSo beside buying the external iHDD you need an iCrank?
20:30:40lex:P
20:30:45lexyea
20:30:52rretzbach;)
20:31:09lexand iCable, iBattery, iCase, iTape...
20:31:19rretzbachI just found out, after using rockbox for ~5months how to change themes :\
20:31:25lex:D
20:31:29rretzbachI just changed the on playing wps :\\\\
20:31:37rretzbachBut there are WHOLE themes.
20:32:08rretzbachNow I have a reason to setup the development env.
20:32:17rretzbachI'll make my own wps.
20:32:34FebsYou don't need a development environment to make a WPS.
20:32:38lexso do you have an ipod? photo or 4g?
20:32:42rretzbachFebs: Yes.
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20:32:58rretzbachlex, ihp 120
20:33:04Soapsetting up the dev enviroment simply for making WPSs is kind of overkill.
20:33:08lex;o
20:33:18rretzbachSoap: I thought about writing a plugin too.
20:33:46rretzbachBut "overkill" hmmm. I think I might learn something by doing so.
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20:35:32rretzbachAnd I have colinux already installed.
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20:37:10ootputhi guys, how do i navigate the 'save .cfg' screen? I can input/delete chars fine, but how do i save the file itself (ipod mini)
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20:38:36ootputah, nvm, hold center button
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21:12:41old45trying to understand rockbox on my H120, to empty the recycled folder; do I do it on my CP through the USB and windows exploer or can I do it from the player.
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21:15:26old45I have installed one daily build and I see one hex file in the recycled folder, can I delete the hex file and will the next daily build also move a hex folder to the recycled folder?
21:15:32evoGagehi people I need help with TagCache
21:16:38old45I think they are all taking a nap
21:17:15evoGagelooks like it or that they are lazy lol
21:17:16Bgerold45: that hex file (i bet it's the patched iriver fw with the rockbox bootloader) is probably moved to the recycled folder when u've deleted it
21:17:28BgerevoGage: ask
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21:18:41evoGagei'll explain anyway, I'm having problem with TagCache completing building the libery. It'll like do its job for about 1min and then the iPod'll freeze requireing a reboot
21:19:12Sanhey
21:19:16San(11:07:27) (San) whats an ATA -71 error?
21:19:16San(11:07:37) (San) i
21:19:17San(11:07:27) (San) whats an ATA -71 error?
21:19:17DBUGEnqueued KICK San
21:19:17San(11:07:37) (San) i
21:19:21Sanwhats an ATA -71 error?
21:19:27Sani got it while it was connected to USB on the H300
21:19:36Sanits about the 3rd time I got it in 2 months I got it
21:21:08old45Bger> do I delete the rechcled files with the CP or with the palyer? I assume anything in there is safe to delete.
21:21:24Bgeryes
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21:21:33rotatorSan: <markun> San||Away: "set_multiple_mode() - not RDY"
21:21:37rotatorfrom earlier
21:21:50Bgerthis "Recycled" folder is the recycle bin for this drive
21:22:00old45OK
21:22:38old45I have not figured out how to delete with the player H120
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21:22:57old45I can delete with cofidance in windows
21:23:06Santy rotator
21:23:45BgerSan: u're Sanitarium @ MR, yep ?
21:23:55Sanyes
21:23:56old45strange that it does not show in windows exploer when I has show all hidden files selected
21:24:33BgerSan: hm, can u recommend some eye-candy WPS-es for standard (CVS) builds (H3xxx)
21:24:39old45I can see it in windows xp recycle folder alsong with all files I have deleted from my pc
21:24:54Sanyeah, sure
21:24:56Bgerold45: yep, that's normal
21:25:41old45thanks
21:25:41Sanyou want them now or whenever?
21:25:48Bgernow :)
21:25:52Sanok
21:26:02SanArtic_Desert is nice
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21:26:40Sanany of the Ajants are good
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21:27:45SanGreen Player
21:28:09San*GreenNew v1.2
21:28:14Santhats the actual name ^^
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21:28:35Sanwant more?
21:28:43Bgersearching for these atm :)
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21:29:33San||Awayi am pinging alot today
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21:29:34San||Away:(
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21:29:49Sandid you get any of thoes i posted?
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21:31:03Bgerstill searching for the first one
21:31:23Sani'll have a look aswell
21:31:36XavierGrwow Bager is in MisticRiver! :D
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21:32:03Bger:P
21:32:12Sanhttp://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=452411&postcount=187
21:32:34Sanor this is the newer version: http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=462254&postcount=192
21:33:05BgerSan: ty, but it seems this requires the album art patch..
21:33:28Sanoh, ok
21:33:36Santhis one doesn't: http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=393467&postcount=85
21:34:25Bgerty :)
21:34:37Santhis one looks good aswell: http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=390708&postcount=79
21:35:00Genre9mp3Bger: http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=396431&postcount=93 (Arctic Desert)
21:35:17Sanah, you found it
21:35:18San:)
21:35:29Bger:))
21:35:39Bgerthis one is beautiful :)
21:36:00Sanyeah, I love it
21:36:28BgerGenre9mp3: ty too
21:36:44SanI just need to find somewhere which sells 2200mAh batterys and doesn't cost a fortune to ship to Ireland and then I can use it
21:36:47San:)
21:37:09Bgerah, u have problems with your battery too ?
21:37:23Sanyeah, only getting 4 hours now
21:37:39Sanand to make it worse the charging plug is broken aswell
21:37:40Bgermine is slowly dying ...
21:37:42Santhe pin in it broke
21:37:46Bgerah
21:37:51Sanbut I have a new one coming
21:38:05SanI have to charge via usb and thats a pain
21:38:15Bgeri can imagine ...
21:38:45Bgeri'm waiting for my visa card to buy a battery ..
21:39:25Sanyou gonna get the 2200mAh?
21:40:22Bgeryep, but i'll probably go for the NuPower one ...
21:40:35Bgeror was it newertech
21:40:44Santhe iPod one?
21:40:50Sanfor 29.99?
21:40:50Bgeryeah
21:40:53Sanah
21:40:59Sani was looking at that too
21:41:14Sanbut it is30$ to ship it to me
21:41:45Bgerhm? iirc it's ~ $24 to Bulgaria
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21:42:28Sanyeah?
21:42:33Sanstill, I think it is too much
21:42:47Bgeryep...
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21:43:00Santhere is anoter company
21:43:05San*another
21:43:29Bgerhmmm? what company ?
21:43:33SanCameron Sino i think
21:43:48Sanbut they dont have prices on their website, IIRC
21:43:59Bgerhttp://www.cameronsino.net/ ?
21:44:20Sanyes
21:44:53Bgerhttp://www.cameronsino.net/mp3-iriver.htm
21:45:10Sanyup
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21:46:31Bgerhm, do you happen to remember whether the 2200 ipod battery fits into the player without removing the blue HDD "protectors" ?
21:46:58Sani think it does
21:47:08Sanhave a look at Denny's tutorial on MisticRiver
21:47:17Sani'm not sure though
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21:48:11belzeBger: i replaced mine on the h110 and it fits perfectly, so it should also work on the h3xx
21:48:43Sanhttp://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=48052&doy=26m8
21:48:45Bgerbelze: good to hear, 10x
21:48:46Santhat looks good
21:49:59XavierGrSan: the error you reffered to is at firmware/drivers/ata.c
21:50:53XavierGrlines 1981, 396, 1769
21:51:03XavierGrthough I don't understand what it means
21:51:09Sani didn't mess with the code though
21:51:26Sanit is an old-ish~ daily build
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22:57:26blxcan't wait to try this project out!
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23:12:18markunblx: which player do you have?
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23:21:00blxmarkun, an iAudio X5L is on it's way
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23:32:41karimBger no it doesn't fit
23:33:49karimsan I bout it on http://www.batteryupgrade.com/product_detail.php?productId=18292211
23:34:06karimthe shiping cost is included in the price
23:34:31karimhum maybe if you are not in europe or US it's different ?
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