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#rockbox log for 2006-08-29

00:00:02Bagderwow, lots of them
00:00:04linuxstbIs that a record?
00:00:06amiconnI'd prefer a monochrome display though
00:00:15Bagderhaha
00:00:21amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, it is
00:00:34preglowi think you'd better get used to never seeing monochrome displays
00:00:37preglowagain
00:00:39amiconnBagder: Readability without draining the battery
00:00:45jhMikeSThe patch adds 57 bytes total for archos
00:00:50amiconn57??
00:00:53jhMikeSyes
00:00:59*amiconn wonders how that could be possible
00:01:03linuxstbpreglow: Small and cheap flash players still have mono displays...
00:01:10jhMikeSJust the basic player
00:01:48jhMikeSI'll check ondio
00:01:48amiconnThe binary size is always a multiple of 4...
00:02:00linuxstbbarrywardell, Bagder: Any other clever suggestions?
00:02:12amiconnThe worst case (code-size wise) is the fm recorder
00:02:15jhMikeSI included the contents of the zips
00:02:18jhMikeSall fils
00:02:27jhMikeSuncompressed
00:02:31amiconnThe main binary is what's most important
00:02:36jhMikeSwhich is what?
00:02:47*linuxstb can try using the reset to indicate if ata_init() returns 0 or not...
00:03:04amiconnIt's best to compare the size of rockbox.bin
00:03:15jhMikeSI see archos.mod
00:03:27barrywardelli remember having to use fsync and a delay to make sure the file actually got written to disk
00:03:27Bagderlinuxstb: yeah, using the reset to indicate success/failure for things perhaps
00:03:29amiconnNot in the zip
00:04:28linuxstbbarrywardell: fsync? I didn't realise Rockbox had it...
00:04:28amiconnajbrec.ajz (or archos.mod in case of the player) is the scrambled rockbox.bin with a small header, but for some targets (recorder v1 atm) it's unsuitable for code size comparisons
00:05:03jhMikeSfor archos.mod: 169,510 (no patch), 169,558 (patch)
00:05:18amiconnThere is a maximum firmware size the archos loader can load, and if we exceed that limit (which we do on recorder v1 :/) the build system makes a self-extracting version
00:05:35amiconnok
00:05:46jhMikeSThen what should I be comparing exactly
00:05:53barrywardelllinuxstb: well it does. the file sometimes didn't get written unless I used it and a 1 second delay
00:06:09amiconnjhMikeS: What works for all archos targets is the rockbox.bin size
00:06:22amiconnapps/rockbox.bin in the build dir
00:06:27barrywardelli'm not sure if they were both necessary
00:06:27linuxstbIt seems ata_init() doesn't return 0. Now to find out what it does return...
00:06:43amiconnBut for player, archos.mod works equally well
00:06:54amiconn(should be 6 bytes larger than the bin iirc)
00:07:31Bagderlinuxstb: just make sure you verify the opposite too so that you can see that the method works
00:07:36amiconnbarrywardell: Closing the file also syncs it
00:08:23amiconnHmm
00:08:57*amiconn thinks the assortment of firmware files for the various targets should be explained somewhere
00:09:22jhMikeSfor both: 169,552
00:10:12*jhMikeS has to go get some dinner
00:10:34*barrywardell learns something new every day
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00:11:55amiconnlinuxstb: 12 buttons is a record. 2nd place are the iriver lcd remotes (11 buttons), followed by the archos recorders (10 buttons)
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00:13:38amiconnpreglow: Well, if the manufacturers would use colour lcds like those in the blackberry 82xx devices, they would more acceptable to me
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00:14:14amiconnI simply want a display where I don't need to drain the battery in order to be able to read anything
00:14:14linuxstbBagder: Good point - it seems that ata_init() never returns...
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00:18:46markunBagder: when I try to browse to the fonts dir with the cvs browser I'm redirected to the fonts download page..
00:18:52markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/fonts/
00:19:04Bagderoh
00:19:42Bagderfixed
00:19:59dwihno_tarp: r du njd med buss.pl?
00:20:03markunthanks
00:20:04dwihno_wup, sorry
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00:21:00preglowlastebil.pl
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00:24:09jhMikeSShould I CVS this thing or what? :) *getting itchy*
00:25:43billytwowillyif you're getting itchy I recommend you go to a doctor before you do anything else...
00:26:00jhMikeSI'll go to Dr. Commit then
00:26:27billytwowillypraise jesus. jhMikeS is cured of his horrible lack of commitment...
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00:26:51*Bagder likes commits
00:27:14jhMikeSbillytwowilly: haha...but I still have a dedication problem
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00:28:37jhMikeSShould I start a forum thread for complaints (if any...I doubt it much now) or just wait for FS bug reports?
00:29:12billytwowillyyah, k, you know more about cvs than I do becuase I'm not sure what the dedication thing is...
00:29:19mirakwhat a moron !!!!
00:29:25*billytwowilly is ashamed that he has been out geeked
00:29:27BagderjhMikeS: if there are bugs they will be reported and creep up anyway
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00:29:40miraki didn't understood why my modifications weren't working
00:29:55mirakI was doing make and unziping to the H300
00:30:06jhMikeSBagder: I just don't wanna be banished for breaking stuff...it's a big change but seems to work very well
00:30:07*mirak wasn't doing make zip ...
00:30:12miraklol
00:32:03 Quit fraggsta ("Ex-Chat")
00:32:28jhMikeSwill new files be added to the tree automatically using cvs commit -m""
00:33:26mirakfps improved a lot lately on the h300
00:33:45BagderjhMikeS: you need to 'cvs add' new files
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00:34:02jhMikeSBagder: The new files are already added
00:34:11mirak+4 fps since I tried the cvs version
00:34:20BagderjhMikeS: ah, the plain commits will work fine yes
00:34:47jhMikeSok...up it goes...*putting on full body armor*
00:34:55*Bagder buckles up
00:35:26mirakI reassure you that it's the only day I wasn't doing make zip ...
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00:35:36Bagderlet's see if you can beat slasher's 1000 blame points
00:35:54preglowhave you forgotten my high score?!?!
00:36:02Bagderyes ;-)
00:36:16preglowunfortunately, so have i
00:36:21preglowi'll need to find it in the logs
00:36:51Bagderwe have more builds now so there's a bigger ability to score high
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00:39:17preglowyet i scored so high with fewer builds
00:39:35Bagderpure skill
00:39:53jhMikeSsays english.lang still seems to contain conflict indicators...I never got any that i recall
00:40:08Bagder+<<<<<<< english.lang
00:40:12Bagder+=======
00:40:16Bagder+>>>>>>> 1.267
00:40:35jhMikeSHmmm....I don't remember that ever coming up
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00:40:51Bagderthey're clearly visible in the commit mail ;-)
00:40:56jhMikeSIt also says *_enc.c was lost
00:41:07jhMikeSbut they were added
00:41:14Bagderyeah, cvs says that about newly added files at times
00:41:26Bagderignore it
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00:41:47jhMikeSI'll fix english.lang real quick
00:42:42 Quit ender` (" "Of course, this is not a very secure program... But, we weren't trying to write a security system, just an example for pag)
00:43:30mirakI am above 27 fps with elephant dream 176*96 on the H300 by using some iram
00:43:55jhMikeSok
00:44:12mirakI put the memory block where idct is performed in iram.
00:44:29jhMikeSsave your settings
00:44:31mirakin fact that big struct should be stripped down
00:45:42*jhMikeS runs for cover
00:47:23Nico_Pmirak: what fps did you get before your changes with that video ?
00:47:24*Bagder pats the cvs build system. nice work there
00:48:13mirakNibbier: 22 something
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00:48:30mirakit lacks an average with a number of frame to do the timing
00:49:01Nico_Pwhat bitrate is your file ?
00:49:09jhMikeSerror in powermgnt.c for FM boot. Should add an #ifndef BOOTLOADER eh?
00:49:10mirakdon't know
00:49:19jhMikeSFor fm radio that is
00:49:26Nico_Pbecause i get much higher fps than 22
00:49:28mirakNico_P: but it's smaler than the screen
00:49:49mirakNico_P: the problem is that the fps fluctuates to much
00:49:50BagderjhMikeS: yeah, the bootloader should hardly have radio stuff...
00:49:59Nico_Pyeah i used the same one, 176x96
00:50:59Nico_Pisn't it the average framerate that's displayed ?
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00:51:07jhMikeSWhy has the FM always been getting "Flash is full" all week?
00:51:20Sivart0hello people :)
00:51:25Bagderbecause nobody has fixed it
00:51:28jhMikeSBagder: What about audio_status() call for bootloader
00:51:39mirakNico_P: frame rate per second
00:51:47mirakNico_P: it fluctates a lot
00:52:02mirakmy asm thing doesn't work :-/ I don't know why
00:52:10Bagdertime for some good old-fashioned sleep
00:52:29jhMikeSamiconn: I tried the mpegplayer again and this time it was doing 15.6
00:52:39jhMikeSBagder: g'night
00:52:51Nico_P"This option displays the average number of frames decoded per second"
00:53:04preglowbhargh, i don't mention the actual score number in the logs!
00:53:21Nico_Pthat means it tends to fluctuate less and less
00:53:27mirakis there a way to replace something like "pointer->field" by just "field" using a #define ?
00:55:16pixelmajhMikeS: [00:05:21] <amiconn> There is a maximum firmware size the archos loader can load, and if we exceed that limit (which we do on recorder v1 :/) the build system makes a self-extracting version
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00:57:57mirakif you have a struct bla { int i; int16_t bla[64] ; int j} will there be 64 consecutive words between &i and &j ? is there a way to make ->bla a somewhere to iram ?
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00:58:44Sivart0im having problems installing rockbox =/
00:59:19Sivart0err
00:59:47jhMikeSpixelma: The error has been up for some time...it's not my cause...I'm aware of the constraints on certain devices.
01:00
01:00:11*linuxstb does the ATA driver dance
01:00:27dan_aWell done linuxstb!
01:00:28Sivart0i have it installed, but the appleOS cant find the songs
01:00:31barrywardelllinuxstb: what was the problem?
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01:00:44jhMikeSAnother build should start soon to fix the FM Boot problem
01:00:53linuxstbbarrywardell: I'm not quite sure...
01:00:59pixelmajhMikeS: I didn't say it was caused by you but should answer your question...
01:01:20*barrywardell has had that experience quite a few times
01:01:29dan_aSivart0: Do you mean that the songs which were there before have now disappeared in Apple OS?
01:01:40Sivart0yes
01:01:46Sivart0its never done that before
01:02:00dan_aCan you still see them in Rockbox?
01:02:03Sivart0yes
01:02:16jhMikeSpixelma: I understand it so I know know why you repeated that again...I asked -why- to mean, "what was added that caused it in particular" if anyone knew.
01:02:44jhMikeSpixelma: Just wanting to know the details...that's all.
01:03:50pixelmaok sorry then :)
01:03:56*jhMikeS is happy to see everything else green though :)
01:03:56dan_aSivart0: That sounds to me like maybe your iTunes database has got corrupted - it shouldn't be anything which Rockbox has done which has caused that
01:04:23Sivart0it only does it when i install the bootloader
01:05:03amiconnBagder: I wonder why it spits 'region flash is full' for the fm but not the v2
01:05:27amiconnThe binaries should be identical - and both builds were made on the same build server (!)
01:05:39*jhMikeS is waiting for the FM Boot update build to start...why so long?
01:06:10amiconnjhMikeS: Btw, th e'region flash is full' is a different thing than the archos loader limit.
01:06:34jhMikeSamiconn: too much data for the flash memory right?
01:06:41amiconnIt happens when building rombox, i.e. a binary variant that can be run directly from flash
01:06:48jhMikeSArchos loader limit is in it's boot ROM right?
01:07:02amiconnThe archos flash rom is 256KB
01:07:06preglowwoot
01:07:12*preglow encodes mp3s
01:07:19amiconnThat has nothing to do with the archos disk loader. It only applies to flashed boxes
01:07:39*preglow wants mono recording too
01:07:43linuxstbbarrywardell: There seems to be two problems: 1) calling yield() (which happens in ata.c) seems to cause a freeze; and 2) The auto-detection of partitions doesn't seem to work (the Elio doesn't have a partition table)
01:07:44jhMikeSok...unless I had an Archos I don't think I'll fully understand that
01:07:45preglowdoes the mp3 encoder support that?
01:08:08jhMikeSmp3 encoder itself supports VBR (i think), all bitrates, stereo/mono.
01:08:15jhMikeSMono is explicitly supported
01:08:26amiconn256KB minus the flash loader minus bootbox (our failsafe backup boot) leaves 232KB (player) resp. 228KB (all other archoses) for flashing rockbox itself
01:08:30jhMikeSSample rate not yet
01:08:55amiconnThe fmr version has grown beyond that...
01:09:26jhMikeSSo you load what you can in flash and get the rest from disk?
01:09:33amiconnnope
01:09:34preglowjhMikeS: sample rate will need more work for sure
01:09:42preglowbut this looks just great
01:10:01jhMikeSThank Toni too
01:10:16jhMikeSIt's 44100 for now.
01:10:22amiconnIf the unit is flashable _and_ the user decides to flash it, the whole core resides in flash
01:10:28jhMikeSok
01:10:30amiconnSuper-fast boot time
01:10:44jhMikeSHow much flash is on the x5?
01:10:52jhMikeS4MB?
01:11:06jhMikeSBut that boots so damn fast anyway
01:11:06amiconnThe only things loaded from disk are the music (of course, hehe), plugins, fonts etc
01:11:15amiconnDamn fast?
01:11:28amiconnX5 boot is a bit better than iriver, but for me it's slow...
01:11:30jhMikeSBooting rb on x5 is pretty quick
01:11:42barrywardelllinuxstb: a bit unusual not having a partition table. is there just one partition?
01:11:43jhMikeSCan't wait what 5sec if that?
01:11:46amiconnOn archos, boot time is 3.5 .. 5 seconds
01:12:06amiconnThat is, from pressing On to playing music
01:12:14amiconn...with resume on startup enabled
01:12:37preglowjhMikeS: totally sweet, this
01:13:04amiconnWhat annoys me most about the disk boot isn't the boot time itself (it's not _that_ long), but the fact that you can't pre-press buttons
01:13:30jhMikeSI'8s
01:13:34amiconnUsually I don't have resume on startup enabled because it might be that I have to switch settings before resuming
01:13:38jhMikeS8s if not scanning disk
01:13:45jhMikeSprewglow: thanks
01:14:09amiconnBut if I know that I want to resume I can tap On-On with rockbox in flash, and it will resume
01:14:11preglowanyway, isn't the wavpack average bitrate lower than 900k/s?
01:14:14jhMikeSamiconn: :D you need your music NOW I guess
01:14:23linuxstbbarrywardell: Yes - it's a so-called "superfloppy"
01:14:46amiconnjhMikeS: No, but in car it's annoying to wait for the pathetic bootloader
01:14:46jhMikeSpreglow: It's not quite accurate is it?
01:15:24jhMikeSamiconn needs his music NOW in the car NOW! :D
01:15:33linuxstbbarrywardell: The GPIO dumps are interesting - seems the button driver will be straightforward...
01:15:33amiconnEither I have to wait explicitly, or doing other things in between (like starting the engine) I have to deal with the jukebox twice
01:15:56jhMikeSamiconn: You drive with headphones on?
01:16:14amiconnNope, with the unit plugged to my car stereo's aux input
01:16:41Sivart0this is starting to bug me ><
01:16:41jhMikeSamiconn: mine doesn't have one :(
01:16:41barrywardelllinuxstb: luck you!
01:16:51barrywardellare all the buttons readable from GPIO?
01:17:39jhMikeSpreglow: It wasn't my size guess for the WavPack...that's on the list of tweaks though.
01:17:46amiconnI chose my car stereo with aux in being a must-have
01:18:05linuxstbbarrywardell: I don't know yet - the first two buttons I tried seem to be, 10 more to test.
01:18:08preglowjhMikeS: i think i'd drop the bitrate and just call it lossless, or something
01:18:09jhMikeSMine's still stock Inifiniti from 1999
01:19:06jhMikeSpreglow: I think the expected bit rate range should be there maybe 10th - 90th percentile to give a clue?
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01:19:24[PUUsH]hi guys :>
01:19:38[PUUsH]i have a problem :/
01:19:48jhMikeSpreglow: At least it's working and not bombing out your player. What are you using?
01:20:07[PUUsH]are there any german or only english? :(
01:20:24jhMikeSHay alemanes, si.
01:20:41jhMikeS:)
01:20:42[PUUsH]who can help me by updating my x5
01:21:08belzei am german
01:21:09belzewhy?
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01:21:16jhMikeS[PUUsH]: Did you read the wiki yet? It should be explained there.
01:21:45pixelmaSivart0: maybe it's the same problem... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5190.0
01:22:46[PUUsH]download the bootloader x5_fw.bin and upload on the x5 in firmware
01:23:14[PUUsH]then i upload the unzipped files in root
01:23:30Sivart0AHH!
01:23:33Sivart0sysinfo >_>
01:23:38Sivart0i bet
01:23:43[PUUsH]then i shut down
01:24:30[PUUsH]charging begins..i turn off the usb and x5 closed :(
01:25:08[PUUsH]what is wrong?
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01:27:38Sivart0or was the sysinfo thing for ipod linux? <_<
01:29:41preglowjhMikeS: h120
01:29:42[PUUsH]come on guys
01:30:35preglowtried mic and radio recording, mp3 and wv
01:30:35preglowworks just dandy
01:31:57preglowhmm
01:32:01preglowwhy does the codec decide when to boost?
01:32:07preglowencoder codec, that is
01:33:34barrywardellif I have a C function that takes 4 arguments (int) and call it from asm, do r0-r4 get passed as the arguments?
01:34:07barrywardelli mean r0-r3
01:37:23Sivart0anyway, thanks alot :)
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01:47:13preglowbarrywardell: yes
01:47:36barrywardelli thought so, thanks.
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01:48:26preglowthe first four params work like that, the rest are stacked
01:49:10barrywardelli think i've found the four params used by the mi4 then
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01:52:24barrywardellsetting them still doesn't let the OF start though. there must be more to it
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02:07:40lostlogicblargh, track skipping WPS display is broken again, I had it working fine and then people went and changed stuff.
02:07:56lostlogicI mean I'm sure he fixed the bug he was fixing, but he also made other things worse
02:07:59lostlogicregressions are bad
02:08:19scorchelostlogic: revived from the dead?
02:08:26scorche=)
02:10:02lostlogicnever dead, just... well I discovered this amazing thing called "the outdoors" ;)
02:10:34scorcheand how was this "outdoors" thing amazing?
02:10:54lostlogicit's pretty great −− otherwise how would it keep me from coding rockbox???
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02:23:07[HO]vo|tdoes anyone else have a problem with Rockbox/iAudio x5 where sometimes on the wps a "joystick right" will bring you to the file browser?
02:23:37*amiconn also observed occasional button glitches on X5
02:23:49amiconnSame thing as on H300, only less often
02:24:03[HO]vo|tit probably happens to me once every 10 or so song changes
02:24:57amiconnI observed it while zooming and panning around with mandelbrot. Occasionally it resets to default
02:25:12[HO]vo|tlostlogic: what problem is it that you fixed and got broken?
02:25:58amiconnH300 and X5 use the same hardware for buttonreading: the PCF50605 ADC
02:26:23[HO]vo|toooh coincidence? i think not
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02:35:47Sivart0hello people ^_^
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02:37:02Nico_Phas anyone had a look at FS #5856 — Demystify Color ? it's quite good...
02:38:18[HO]vo|thmmm what is that
02:39:27Nico_Phttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5856
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02:41:55Sivart0hey, will rockboy ever be available on the ipod nano version?
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02:48:02jhMikeSI them too...try exiting FM Radio screen but leave the radio running...the next keypress will be eaten
02:49:00[HO]vo|tjhMikeS: when i exit FM Radio the radio plays until i pick a song in the File Browser
02:49:56[HO]vo|ti assume "will be eaten" = "does nothing" ?
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02:59:48jhMikeSHO]vo|lt: To shut the radio down you need a power key press (for x5). What's the general name for that one?
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03:07:09[HO]vo|tjhMikeS lets call it a power slide :) i did that, and i think it still played radio as i was browsing for a song to play
03:08:18jhMikeSIs this new behaviour?
03:10:51jhMikeS[HO]vo|t: Since the commit I mean...my x5 works correctly.
03:11:20[HO]vo|twell i have the CVS from yesterday
03:11:32[HO]vo|tthats about it, and i dont even think i can repeat the behavior
03:12:13jhMikeShmmmm....try the latest
03:12:19jhMikeSWhat are you running?
03:14:16[HO]vo|tcvs-060827 (is that what you mean?)
03:14:50jhMikeSI just added my update today about a couple hours ago
03:15:15jhMikeSIt's the 28th here btw
03:15:52[HO]vo|ti see, i'll get it
03:16:01jhMikeS??
03:16:17[HO]vo|ti'm confused, lol. nevermind :)
03:16:30jhMikeSlatest one up ther
03:16:43jhMikeSI mean what device?
03:16:56[HO]vo|tiAudio x5
03:17:15jhMikeSThen this should run well
03:17:20jhMikeSme too
03:18:19[HO]vo|tif you have it handy, run a playlist and press joystick right about 20 times to skip forward 20 or more songs and tell me if rockbox brings up the file browser
03:18:26[HO]vo|tthis happens to me a lot
03:18:52jhMikeSI don't have one handle but I guess I'll make one real quick
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03:19:24[HO]vo|twell you could also play just about any song
03:19:48[HO]vo|tanything that would give away a "joystick right" being interpreted as a "joystick press" by rockbox and/or the hardware
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03:24:07jhMikeSIt just saves playlist to the dang root...what's with that?
03:25:27jhMikeSIt just happened to me. Went to file browser...
03:26:09jhMikeSSays (no file!) then goes to browse mode
03:27:25jhMikeSI've seen confusion when playing some of the plugin like bubbles. There's more strange mistaken keys elsewhere.
03:29:11ShadowdogMUAnyone got a good website idea?
03:32:49[HO]vo|tjhMikeS: What happened?
03:33:00[HO]vo|tjhMikeS: Coming out of radio?
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03:37:26jhMikeS[HO]vo|t: It exits the radio, that's all. Just like it should...I don't know what happened in your case but if you can't reproduce it at all I don't know other than to say it probably mistook the power switch for the rec button.
03:39:14jhMikeSThat's never happened to me.
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03:40:02jhMikeSI got the midi player to work...sort of...by removing the IRAM buffer just like Doom was fixed.
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04:32:40BigMacanyone here know what i need in the wps code to add album art
04:32:56BigMacand im guessing xy coordinates
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05:04:48[HO]vo|tBigMac: _probably_ not possible if you're saying you want an album art to show up on your WPS, all WPS images should be preloaded and have to be in your wps/<wpsname> folder and you can have max 64 of them if i remember correctly
05:12:57BigMachmm
05:13:08BigMacno
05:13:15BigMacthe album art patch
05:13:39BigMacit checks the album for cover.bmp
05:13:58BigMacand if it is 100x100 and a bmp then it shows it
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05:51:27BigMachow do i apply a patch to the sim?
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06:05:36rotatorBigMac: huh? patches are patches, apply them to the source then compile
06:07:19BigMacin the simulator?
06:07:27BigMacwere is the source in the sim
06:07:38rotatorno, you use the source to build the sim
06:07:44BigMacand were is everyone tonight btw
06:07:55rotatordunno *shrugs*
06:08:39BigMacsigh well if anyone finds out then tell me otherwise ill be working on the graphical aspect
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06:35:03rotatorjhMikeS: new flac seeking patch, if you wouldn't mind testing again :) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5892
06:35:53rotatoror anyone else is welcome to test, for that matter, the more the merrier
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06:47:53BigMacanyone here use the ipod sim?
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06:57:52BigMaci wish this wps would move along quicker
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07:26:19EbErTI tried uploading about 8 songs at once onto my ipod, then have them recognized by tagcache in rockbox
07:27:04EbErTi used "update", which instead of adding the songs, replaced everything that was on there with only those 8
07:27:33EbErTis this feature still not working correctly? should i just initiate tagcache every time?
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07:53:27EbErTwhere do you put the fonts folder? under .rockbox correct?
07:53:50Bagderif you get the fonts zip, unzip it root as it already contains the folders
07:54:00Bagderunzip it _in_ root even
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07:54:40BigMacbadger got a sec?
07:54:43EbErTdo you have an answer to this?
07:54:57EbErTI tried uploading about 8 songs at once onto my ipod, then have them recognized by tagcache in rockbox
07:54:57EbErT[01:27am] EbErT: i used "update", which instead of adding the songs, replaced everything that was on there with only those 8
07:54:57EbErT[01:27am] EbErT: is this feature still not working correctly? should i just initiate tagcache every time?
07:55:01BagderBigMac: perhaps, just ask
07:55:48BigMacok first off in the ipod sim shouldn't 8 or the up arrow be menu?
07:56:27EbErTup is menu yes
07:56:28BigMac2 how do i set a scroll margin
07:56:36BigMacnot working that way
07:57:23BigMacand 3 is their anyway to move pbar up and down> I've tried all the coordinates and one of them changes the horizontal
07:57:29BigMacbut nothing else changes
07:58:15Bagder1) no idea 2) call the proper function I guess 3) it is line-based afair
07:58:39BagderEbErT: afaik it works correctly and not you should not have to do it every time
07:58:50Bagderpersonally I've never even used tagcache though
07:58:56EbErTok
07:59:05EbErTwell, it wouldn't work for me for the longest time
07:59:20EbErTnow it works almost correctly
07:59:31EbErTcheers for that miika guy, he looks like he's done a lot
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08:00:03Bagderhe certainly has
08:00:31BigMachmm
08:00:41BigMacok so i can't use my sim anymore
08:01:00BigMacand i can't get my pbar to the right spot
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08:03:38daurnimatorhi all
08:03:56daurnimatorBagder: did you read those things?
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08:04:24BagderI've only had a very quick look
08:04:47Bagderthanks a lot for them btw
08:04:52daurnimatornp
08:05:13daurnimatori just want to see projects such as rockbox go as far as possible
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08:11:04daurnimatormake sure that people that can be aided by it get it
08:11:14BagderI certainly will
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08:15:41BigMacok anyone here that has expierience with wps
08:15:46BigMacmaking
08:15:58BigMacim gettin really perturbed
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08:27:33EbErTwhat bit size do the backdrop bmp's have to be?
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08:30:20BigMac24
08:30:47BigMacwell i'm going to post on the forum then off to bed
08:31:05EbErTsorry you're having trouble with wps's
08:31:18EbErTkeep at it tho, we need more clean ones
08:31:25BigMacyah its alright
08:31:52EbErTyou making them for ipodvideo?
08:32:13BigMacwell the odds are far against me since this is my first wps and i have 3 days left to finish it and from what it seems nobody has ever encountered my problems before yes
08:32:25BigMacbefore. yes
08:32:46EbErT3 days to finish eh
08:33:26BigMacyup
08:33:36BigMacthen back to the whole school jive
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08:49:13Davide-NYCDoes anyone know what this is all about? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6152.0
08:49:35Davide-NYCIs it true? Do we have real-time encoding?
08:49:44Bagderyes
08:49:52Davide-NYCI'm going to faint
08:50:40BagderMike's worked hard on getting Toni's patch in and adjusted
08:51:16Davide-NYCIf this commit passes muster I will *never* have to boot into iriver firmware ever again.
08:51:24Davide-NYChalleluyah (or whatever)
08:51:27LinusNmike is now officially the Rockbox employee of the week
08:51:33Davide-NYC:-)
08:51:45Bagderhehe
08:51:48daurnimatormike?
08:52:11LinusNhis picture hangs here in the entrance hall of the main office
08:52:21Davide-NYCemployee?
08:52:25Davide-NYC;-)
08:52:30daurnimatorLinusN: your hallway?
08:52:31daurnimator:P
08:52:50LinusN:-)
08:53:28BagderThe hallway of Rockbox Inc, the multi-million-dollar company secretly running all this
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09:11:25Davide-NYCI saw a mention of a Bootloader v7 on the forums. Does this have anything to do with the iriver H1xx?
09:12:40LinusNi have no idea what bootloader v7 is
09:13:39LinusNi release the iriver bootloaders, and i'm only at 6
09:14:15Davide-NYCthat is what I thought, thank you. FYI here is the mysterious post: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6164.0
09:14:27Davide-NYCNo idea what they're talking about
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09:17:16LinusNi saw that one too
09:17:25LinusNand i ignored it silently
09:17:29Davide-NYChehe
09:18:20Davide-NYChttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6164.0
09:18:26Davide-NYCI replied.
09:18:50*Davide-NYC I'm ridiculously happy about real-time encoding
09:18:58Davide-NYCgood night
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10:05:12preglowsafetydan: hi
10:05:35preglowdone any more fiddling around with eq plotting? :)
10:06:16safetydanpreglow, yo, and no not yet
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10:07:34preglowi did a bit more fiddling around with it
10:07:39preglowbut the lower eq band will cause us troubles
10:07:55preglowwe don't have enough precision to calculate the graph by far
10:07:59preglowthat's why it looks so weird
10:08:02safetydanI did read that in the logs
10:08:27preglowthe division is more or less x/x
10:08:37preglowbut thanks to roundoff, one of the numbers will be a few bits off
10:08:52safetydanah... kind of hard to get that right
10:09:11preglowi think the solution is for me to just calculate the graphing functions for the eq filters specifically
10:09:59preglow_might_ even end up a bit faster
10:10:43safetydanWhich basically sounds like something that's out of my area of expertise :)
10:11:23preglowa pity, the general plotter would work for almost all filters
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10:13:43preglowthe functions will probably depend on lots of nasty trig functions
10:13:45preglowfeh
10:14:48preglowOR we could use floating point :-))))))))
10:16:12safetydanfloating point... the solution to, and cause of, all lifes problems
10:17:12markun_preglow: Tremor emulates floating point
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10:21:10markunpreglow: in sharebook.c
10:21:28markunIs there a forum admin around?
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10:29:57preglowmarkun: gcc can do that for me
10:31:04markunthat's true
10:34:51preglowbut no, there's probably a better way
10:34:57preglowi'm just not used enough to fixed poitn
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10:45:01safetydanmaybe I should work some more on my fmath library patch
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11:15:25webguest91Hi. There's a Wiki page 'IriverFlashing' which says that the original firmware can be overwritten by RB (not officially released though). But then I lose the OF forever.
11:15:53webguest91What do you think about just swapping the OF and RB? I.e. RB is loaded from flash and OF from disk?
11:17:06webguest91Since I use RB all the time this would reduce startup time. But from time to time I still use the OF (WMA playback) so it would be nice if it would be retained.
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11:19:18markunwebguest91: Slasheri tried it but didn't get it to work so far
11:21:05webguest91markun: Ah, Ok. I suspected I wouldn't be the first to come up with the idea :-) But nice it would be!
11:22:52LinusNthe OF is not designed to be run from disk
11:23:26LinusNso it requires a lot of tricks and patching to make it so
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11:24:05webguest91LinusN: is it designed to run from RAM? The bootloader could load it to RAM then and execute from there.
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11:25:13LinusNit's designed to boot from flash
11:25:13amiconnpreglow: The fmrecorder build isn't completely broken, but rockbox grew too large (despite my rambling about the necessity to code efficiently) for rombox being possible on fm and v2. Now the linker complains
11:25:25LinusNwebguest91: it then copies itself from flash to ram
11:25:52amiconnThe fix would be to cut down code size (more efficient coding, cutting out dead code introduced by acions etc)
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11:29:42webguest91LinusN: mmm... So we have to come up with a trick to outrule that. But during loading, the OF surely checks some control sums etc. So no chance?
11:30:56webguest91LinusN: if the bootloader would recreate exactly the same situation (=state) that exists after the OF has copied itself to RAM...
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11:31:03preglowthe solution would be a separate archos fork! :V
11:31:18*preglow runs
11:32:14webguest91LinusN: ...or does the OF check the flash contents after it's loaded into RAM? Then chances are bad.
11:33:13Slasheriwebguest91: the problem is that we don't know how to load it to ram and how the hardware must be initialized
11:33:17Slasherithat is not a simple thing to do
11:34:03amiconnpreglow: That wouldn't be a solution, but a bad workaround
11:34:07Slasherii have tried to read the disassembled OF boot section but that doesn't look very good
11:34:33preglowamiconn: i wasn't exactly serious
11:35:27webguest91Slasheri: couldn't a memory/CPU snap shot be made? Just after the OF booted?
11:36:30webguest91Slasheri: that way you'll know what it should be (and only that matters) and not how it's reached.
11:38:33Slasheriwebguest91: hmm, in theory yes. but still that doesn't tell everything, for example how the periprehal hardware should be initialized
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11:39:19preglowamiconn: so there's redundant code around since introducing actions?
11:39:20Slasheriand i don't have the bdm interface to do that
11:40:18webguest91Slasheri: yes, a full snapshot should be made, including all the peripheral HW. But in theory, a state of a computer system is completely defined by its memory state (including CPU registers etc).
11:40:23amiconnpreglow: The way actions are implemented now, there are case ACTION_xxx: code paths with can't be triggered on some targets
11:40:36amiconn...because of lack of buttons or other reasons
11:40:42amiconnThis is dead code...
11:40:48webguest91Slasheri: but if it's too hard/expensive, I'm fine with the current situation.
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11:41:29preglowamiconn: how can that be solved?
11:41:32preglowmore ifdef hell?
11:42:50amiconnI think that actions can be made conditional. Some ifdefs are needed for that, I wouldn't call it hell.
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11:43:01amiconnJust #ifdef ACTION_xx
11:43:07amiconncase ACTION_xx:
11:43:11amiconn...
11:43:15amiconnbreak;
11:43:17amiconn#endif
11:43:38JdGordonnoo... its nicer if its linked to a HAVE_BLAA instead of the action code..
11:43:41preglowall ifdefs are hell, heh
11:43:50*amiconn disagrees
11:43:54JdGordonthat way it can be ifdefed out more easily throughout the code
11:44:02amiconnThis only applies to very few actions
11:44:30JdGordondid the actions put alot of unnecacey code into archos?
11:44:43tucozJust read that linuxstb made some progress on the elio. looks like the tatung elio is exactly the same thing as the asono elio.
11:44:50jhMikeSpreglow: any good resources you know of on a digital brick wall filter?
11:44:52*JdGordon brb
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11:44:59amiconnThe action stuff increased code size on archos by several KB
11:45:32amiconnI would have expected a shrink, because all the distributed button loop code is not simplified...
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11:45:55jhMikeSamiconn: how is it possible to get 11025Hz from the tlv320? I don't see it...you can divide the clock by 2 for 22050 and that's it.
11:46:06amiconnSo the only explanation I can think of is dead code
11:46:34amiconnjhMikeS: I don't know... didn't look at the tlv320 datasheet closely yet
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11:46:52amiconnIirc the only option for uda1380 is 44.1kHz
11:48:07jhMikeSWith a 11.2896 MHz clock you can choose 8.021,44.1,8.021,44.1,88.2 with CLKIN 0 or /2 with CLKIN 1
11:48:47preglowamiconn: then why didn't it shrink?
11:48:54preglowjhMikeS: depends how design you want to use
11:48:57preglowjhMikeS: iir? fir? fft?
11:49:35JdGordonamiconn: i tihnk its the actual keymap lists which killed the bin size
11:49:43preglowjhMikeS: only way to easily make a "brick wall" filter is by doing fft filtering or windowed sinc fir filter design
11:49:47jhMikeSIf I want 11025 I have to use something to remove all f above 5512.5
11:49:50amiconnI doubt it.... the keymaps are 12 bytes per entry
11:50:08amiconnEven 100 different actions would mean 1200byte
11:50:11jhMikeSBefore downsample from 22050
11:50:20amiconnThe increase is significantly more than that
11:50:50jhMikeSpreglow: I don't know what type...fast is good though...been looking around but with the simple /2 something should be easier
11:51:25preglowjhMikeS: you should look for halfband filters
11:52:01jhMikeSand then what? throw out every other sample or average them?
11:52:44preglowonce you have removed all high frequency content, you just decimate
11:52:49preglowthat is, throw away samples
11:53:06preglowaveraging is also a type of filter
11:53:21preglowa very poor one, which will destroy the nice frequency response you've made with a brickwall filter, heh
11:53:32JdGordonamiconn: by how much are we over?
11:53:57preglowjhMikeS: anyway, a brickwall filter isn't possible. what you need to do is sacrifice a couple of hundred hz around the new nyquist frequency so you can use a more realistic filter
11:54:16jhMikeSCould achieve other rated < 44.1 with decimation
11:54:59jhMikeSpreglow: I fairly understand it's an ideal...but the idea is sharp cutoff and not many samples needed to do it hopefully.
11:55:17preglowjhMikeS: for sharp cutoff, we've talking a several hundred samples long filter
11:55:26preglowby "brickwall"
11:55:42jhMikeSThat's not too bad really.
11:56:03jhMikeSToo much to put right in DMA1 I think
11:56:20preglowwhat's this for anyway?
11:56:42linuxstb_jhMikeS: The UDA1380 driver seems to support 11.025KHz - see pcm_set_frequency() in firmware/pcm_playback.c. It's used by both Doom and Rockboy.
11:57:24jhMikeSWell that's the UDA1380 but the TLV320 I don't think so
11:57:38preglowuda1380 almost certainly supports 11025
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11:58:13jhMikeSFor the UDA 1380 there's nothing to do then except set 'n' go
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11:58:59preglowjhMikeS: so you're talking realtime on target here
11:58:59preglow?
11:59:03jhMikeSBut it's different for slave/master mode
11:59:06jhMikeSpreglow: yes
11:59:08preglowthen i'd say forget brickwall, no way in hell you can do that
11:59:18jhMikeSpreglow: recommendation?
11:59:27preglowa several hundred samples long fir filter is _very_ long in this context
11:59:40preglowjhMikeS: iir filters or high order interpolators
11:59:46jhMikeSFor recording
11:59:57preglowcouldn't you use the ordinary rockbox resampler for this?
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12:00:29preglowit's very crappy now, of course, but it being used for recording as well should definitely spur some efforts to improve it, heh
12:00:33jhMikeSmaybe
12:00:59jhMikeSCould be able to synthesize a whole host of rates then no?
12:01:05preglowsure
12:01:28preglowit has to solve the very same problems you're facing now anyway
12:02:05jhMikeSIn master mode, the TLV is the clock source so I think you're stuck
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12:02:48fahanyone else have a problem with dual-booting rockbox/appleOS and songs not showing up in appleOS anymore?
12:03:11linuxstb_fah: Do you have a Nano?
12:03:49jhMikeSI'll check out pcm_set_frequency and see if I get any "aha"s. ;)
12:04:11fahlinuxstb; yes
12:04:27fahis there an issue with the nano?
12:04:43linuxstb_fah: Then yes - it's a known problem with the latest Apple firmware. I don't think anyone knows of a solution apart from to downgrade to an older version of the firmware.
12:04:55linuxstb_^older version of the Apple firmware
12:05:13fahahh.. right on. thank you very much linuxstb. you saved me much work. ;)
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12:14:43tucozpreglow, do you know how to set the A and B marks on the nano?
12:15:02preglownope
12:15:04preglownever done it on any platform
12:15:05tucoz:)
12:15:39jhMikeSI think you can use slave mode to record...that would make 11025 possible w/o processing. Could be wrong. :\
12:16:05tucozhmm. a guy yesterday tried all sorts of combinations to do this. And also tried with the context menu. wonder if it is possible at all.
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12:23:30LinusNjhMikeS: does the tlv320 have an internal oscillator?
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12:27:11jhMikeSLinusN: No...it uses that crystal
12:27:32jhMikeSdoesn't it?
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12:29:07jhMikeSno it's got XTI/MCLK, XTO, CLKOUT
12:29:48jhMikeSyou can divide it by 2 and that's all
12:30:03jhMikeS22050 is simple for master mode
12:30:09LinusNyup
12:30:38jhMikeSIf I can record in slave mode, I'll use the coldfire's audio clock
12:30:47jhMikeSor a combination
12:31:20jhMikeSWhat's the clock frequency (/1) for the CF audio clock?
12:32:25LinusN44100Hz I believe
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12:33:21jhMikeSOh wait it says Audio Clk is normally 16.93 Mhz...
12:33:30LinusNlemme check
12:34:00jhMikeSCAn use divided SYSCLOCK for SCLK output and LRCK output
12:35:37LinusNMCLK is either 11.2896MHz or 11.2896/2
12:38:14jhMikeSThe CPU uses that crystal?
12:39:54LinusNthe cpu uses the 11.2896MHz oscillator, yes
12:41:27jhMikeSOn the CPU I have more divide settings
12:44:57LinusNyou should be able to set 11025 using the IIS clock dividers
12:45:35jhMikeSThat's where my head is going...but you need slave mode for recording then
12:45:54LinusNyou need slave mode for both playback and recording
12:46:03jhMikeSThey use master mode right now
12:46:15LinusNreally?
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12:46:20jhMikeSSee tlv320.c if you don't believe
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12:46:43jhMikeSThat limits sample rates to 44.1 or 22.05 of course
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12:51:09LinusNjhMikeS: hmmm
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12:52:38jhMikeSI think something will get worked out here...maybe use the resampler for other rates.
12:53:21LinusNguess so
12:54:28fahcopying a backup of .rockbox over one on the ipod sure takes a long time
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13:01:13preglowif you do, just be aware it's horrible quality
13:01:26preglowsomeone should fix it
13:01:38preglowi don't feel very inclined towards the task right now
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13:04:10jhMikeSpreglow: as long as I can get the basic rates done I'll be happy to have it working for now and it won't be needed.
13:04:32jhMikeSpreglow: what is the quality problem btw?
13:05:41preglowjhMikeS: the fact that i use plain linear interpolation for resampling
13:06:07jhMikeSoy...
13:06:43jhMikeSno polyphase?
13:07:04preglowno, just linear interpolation
13:07:12preglowi just tossed it together to get resampling working at all
13:07:50preglowi don't really care about resampling myself, most my stuff is either 44.1 or 48khz
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15:08:04lorijhoHi
15:08:45lorijhowhich players support alarm as in apps/alarm_menu.c ?
15:11:30lorijhowhat purpose have the alarms that can be set in apps/alarm_menu.c Wake from RTC? or Play Sound on alarm ?
15:11:53JdGordoni tinhk only the archos recorder can do alaram
15:11:57JdGordonand i think its for wake up
15:12:11JdGordoni could be very wrong tho
15:12:41lorijhoJdGordon: Hi
15:12:58linuxstb_lorijho: I think it's the Recorder v2 and FM Recorder. It's not been ported to the newer players yet. The H300 and Ipods (at least) should be capable of it.
15:13:03linuxstb_(probably the X5 as well)
15:13:09lorijholinuxstb_: Ok I see
15:13:28lorijholinuxstb_: I am working on RTC of H10 and has alarm registers aswell
15:13:32linuxstb_And yes, it's for wakeup from RTC.
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15:13:47linuxstb_Does that have a pcf50...something?
15:14:00lorijholinuxstb_: nope an epson rtc
15:14:39lorijholinuxstb_: the H10 firmware doesn't support wake from rtc alarm, but it could probably be done
15:14:47linuxstb_I've no idea about that... I just know the pcf chips can do it.
15:15:12lorijholinuxstb_: oh yeah right the pcf deal with power aswell
15:15:26lorijhothe epson RTC_E8564 doesn't
15:18:40lorijhoso is also no code in rockbox for RTC alarm controlled fm recording or similar, as seen e.g. in the H10 firmware
15:21:57lorijhofor now reading and setting RTC date and time works for H10. I will send a patch to barrywardell so he can commit that to cvs
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15:27:41lorijhoI having trouble with make. If I don't include i2c-pp5020.h in rtc.c gcc says "warning: implicit declaration of function ..." for the functions from i2c-pp5020.h called from rtc.c
15:28:17lorijhowhen I include i2c-pp5020.h make says that there are no rules to make ic2-pp5020.h
15:28:48Bagder"ic2-pp5020.h" ?
15:28:58Bagderor "i2c-pp5020.h"
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15:29:56lorijhoBagder: ah thx you pointed me to the typo. It now works as expected :)
15:30:01Bagder:-)
15:32:13daurnimatorlol
15:32:25daurnimatortypos are the devils handmaidens
15:32:51lorijhoanother question, regarding that I never saw rockbox running on anything else than H10_5GB. When the statusbar is enabled the first line of every menu or file tree is hidden behind the statusbar
15:33:10lorijhonormal behaviour or a possible h10 lcd code problem ?
15:33:21Bagdersounds like a code problem
15:33:42lorijhoBagder: I'll mention it to barrywardell then
15:33:45lorijhothx
15:38:00amiconnlorijho: The alarm is for archos recorder fm and v2, and also for the recorder v1 with a hardware mod. It's only for wake-up (use in conjunction with resume on startup)
15:38:21daurnimatordoes anyone here know of any cool upcoming mp3 players
15:38:34daurnimatorthat have a high possibility of being rockbox'd
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15:39:38Bagderno particular upcoming models have higher possibilities than others afaics
15:39:55linuxstb_New models with documented CPUs seem rare though...
15:40:41tucozlinuxstb_, as you might know. the context menu didn't contain a set A,B item (on the ipods)
15:40:51daurnimatorwell... any cool players, that it isn't IMPOSSIBLE to get rockbox on
15:40:51daurnimator;)
15:41:20Bagderbasically none are impossible
15:41:37daurnimators/IMPOSSIBLE/hard
15:41:40Bagderhaha
15:41:45Bagderall targets are hard
15:41:52tucozbut a gcc cross compiler is probably something that is necessary?
15:41:56daurnimators/hard/extremly hard
15:42:07Bagdernon-gcc targets are hardest, yes
15:42:11tucozhehe
15:42:13Bagderbut they're very rare these days
15:42:21Bagderand I don't see any upcoming ones like that
15:42:43BagderI see ARM dominate
15:43:02tucozwhat was the issue with the gmini? was that compiled with arm?
15:43:17Bagderthe early gminis are calmrisc based
15:43:32Bagderwhich is a 16bit cpu-core that isn't supported by gcc
15:43:40Bagderat least not without jyp's hard work
15:44:03tucozaha. i thought i remembered that i had read something about that
15:44:25daurnimatorjyp worked hard to make it non gcc?
15:44:27daurnimator;)
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15:45:09tucozbtw, i got an answer from gcc.org yesterday (regarding the manuals licence)
15:45:25Bagderyou mean gnu.org?
15:45:34tucozah, hehe. yes
15:46:01tucozquote "At the very least, the LaTeX, along with any and all documents generated from it, should be licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License."
15:46:25tucoz"The screenshots that accompany it should ideally be licensed under the GNU FDL as well, to make your licensing simple."
15:46:49tucozdoes this mean we have to mention somewhere that the source itself is also GFDL?
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15:47:09tucozlike in the rockbox source code.
15:47:24daurnimatorFDL?
15:47:46tucozyes.
15:48:08tucozI meant the source to the manual
15:48:19lorijhoamiconn: yup got it
15:48:48tucozas far as i see it, the screenshots are gpl as they are made with rockbox.
15:48:56daurnimatorg'night all
15:49:10tucozgood night
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15:53:54Hansmaulwurfbtw
15:54:04Hansmaulwurfheute the wire season3 bekommen :)
15:54:14Hansmaulwurfwopps
15:54:17Hansmaulwurfwrong channel
15:57:58preglowword
15:58:19Bagderthat to me?
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16:03:27linuxstb_tucoz: I thought there were reasons we didn't want the GFDL?
16:04:54tucozyes, i know. but as it is gfdl, i wanted to know _what_ this covered
16:06:11tucozas i feel the source is in a gray area atm
16:07:25amiconnThe screenshots are not necessarily gpl. They are made with rockbox, but they aren't code
16:08:19tucozthis has to be mentioned somewhere, right?
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16:18:07tucozamiconn, ah. misunderstood you.
16:18:43tucozso the screenshots could be GFDL as well
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16:26:08maddog011oh nice
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17:24:57BigMacyou guys see julius' new wps?
17:27:40crashdurl?
17:27:53BigMachttp://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/08/jclix-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html
17:28:42crashddoes look pretty sweet eh
17:29:06BigMacthat it does
17:29:25BigMacits amazing how he completly made every pixel to look like the iclix
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17:46:16Coldtoasthi all. is the battery on the ipod nano really 1300mAh?
17:46:50ColdtoastI have it set to the lowest capacity but I never get a full batt indicator on the wps
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17:47:19Coldtoastassuming the nano is lower than 1300 so the batt display is never goign to show full. would that be right?
17:48:50LearNo, capacity is for run-time estimation. Battery level is taked from voltage.
17:49:58Coldtoasthmmm. ok
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17:50:19Coldtoastmust be something a bit wrong with this WPS I'm using then I'd say
17:50:55LearCould be...
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18:18:03BigMaccan you make the battery icon transparent?
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18:51:42BigMacanyone here
18:51:43mirakola
18:51:48BigMachi
18:52:06BigMacmirak you have any experience with wps making
18:52:27miraknone
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19:05:28BigMacmy m2v keep saying buffering and staying there
19:05:39BigMacno way to exit out accept a hard restart
19:06:16linuxstb_How did you create it? What size is it?
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19:08:08mirakas the forum been lost or something one day ?
19:08:09linuxstb_mirak: No, but not all the old posts have been moved into the new forums.
19:08:32BigMacvlc
19:08:37BigMacand not sure
19:08:40mirakah ok, I was looking for a post about profiling
19:08:46BigMacits like a 20 second vid
19:09:07linuxstb_I'll have a look for it...
19:11:01BigMacso any ideas what is wrong linuxstb_
19:11:48miraklinuxstb_: the old one is accessible ?
19:11:48linuxstb_mirak: Is this the post? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2039.0
19:11:48linuxstb_mirak: Only to forum moderators...
19:11:49mirakhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2052.0 it was that one
19:11:49linuxstb_mirak: I've just moved it.
19:11:49mirakthanks
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19:12:07DanMannersAnyone online?
19:12:40BigMacI am
19:13:33BigMacanyone here using jclix yet?
19:14:06linuxstb_BigMac: The only time I've had mpegplayer crash on me is when I've tried to play a large (e.g. 640x480) video
19:14:06mirakwhat was the fps ?
19:14:07linuxstb_None - it refused to play...
19:14:07linuxstb_It's probably just not correctly checking for when malloc fails.
19:14:07mirakmmm
19:14:07DanMannersCan I inturrupt quickly for a moment?
19:14:07DBUGEnqueued KICK linuxstb_
19:14:07linuxstb_You just have :)
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19:14:07linuxstb_What's the problem?
19:14:11DanMannersUmm, I can't seem to figure out how the new iPod 5G theme works
19:14:13DanMannerswith the patches and such
19:14:21DanMannerstha'ts what I"m asking about lol, jclix
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19:14:37DanMannersDo you have to patch that yourself? or do you just download it
19:14:52DanMannersBecause my patcher is all wonky
19:15:08DanManners*cygwin
19:15:10DanMannersis wacky
19:15:11DanMannersi mean
19:15:24miraklinuxstb_: in slice.c try this, define static int16_t DCTblock[64] IDATA_ATTR; then replace all decoder->DCTblock by just DCTblock
19:15:33BigMacDanManners he has a build out
19:15:42DanMannersAlright, do you know where?
19:15:43BigMacyou have a 60 gb or a 30
19:15:47DanManners30
19:15:57miraklinuxstb_: I got 3-5 fps in plus on the H300
19:16:00BigMachttp://pijulius.com/julius/rockbox/rockbox-jbuild-20060829-ipodvideo.zip
19:16:12DanMannersevery time I install it
19:16:20BigMaclinuxstb_: how long does it usually take to buffer
19:16:25DanMannersI have to reinstall Rockbox
19:16:27miraklinuxstb_: don't know if the ipod can benefit from this
19:16:30DanMannersso I don't know if that's just me
19:16:31DanMannersor not
19:16:32DanMannersI dunno
19:16:57DanMannersit doesn't work with the sim either
19:16:58DanMannersthat I have
19:17:06BigMaci have never had that problem
19:17:29DanMannersIt just gives me this error:
19:18:27DanMannersRockboxui.exe - Bad Image
19:18:27DanMannersThe application or DLL D:\Documents and Settings\Dan\Desktop\ipod-video-sim-w32\archos\_temp_codec1.dll is not a valid Windows image. Please check this against your installation diskette.
19:18:40DanMannersAbout 30 times
19:18:55DanMannersIn other words, the sim recognizes it as a Codec Failture
19:19:01DanMannersand then closes after 30 or so times
19:19:12BigMacive only used the sim for wps making
19:19:24DanMannerswell, this would count as a wps test
19:19:32DanMannersIn a sense
19:19:41DanMannersbut like
19:19:54DanMannersI overwrite everything
19:20:00DanMannersis that what I'm supposed to do?
19:20:09DanMannersor just drag the rockbox.ipod onto the Hard drive
19:20:25miraklinuxstb_: is there a way to have a fps average at the end of playtime ?
19:22:32DanMannersya, now the sim just plain isn't working
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19:28:56fatherforkhello
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19:29:13DanMannersi guess I just lagged
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19:32:10bluebrotherSlasheri, you're in?
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19:36:56linuxstb_mirak: I'll try it on the ipod, but I'm not sure if it will help much. If you want to display the FPS at the end, it should be straightforward to add it.
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19:37:43mirakat the end or a per minute fps to have something more stable to benchmark
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19:44:59miraklinuxstb_: the main loop is es_loop ?
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20:03:27amiconnlinuxstb_, mirak: Iirc the fps display is the average across all frames played so far - so it gets more precise with playback time
20:04:56BigMac-
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20:05:58lowlightIn lieu of viewports, I've made patch that allows you to scroll only portion of a WPS line based on where you put the %s.
20:06:08lowlightIf anyone want's to test: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox/
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20:10:51BigMacwwjpd?
20:11:32BigMacso anyone besides me have jclix running on their ipod?
20:12:19mirakhum I am trying to use profiling ...
20:15:28mirakI put the main entry point ( es_loop )in between rb->profile_thread(); and rb->profstop();
20:15:53markunBigMac: probably not
20:16:10mirakbut it stalls when running a video
20:16:44mirakI have read the TECH doc
20:18:35mirakif I remove them it still doesn't work
20:19:41miraklinuxstb_: you tried a profile build for mpegplayer ?
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20:21:15BigMacmarkun:why?
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20:21:57BigMachey while a good amount of people are here? how can i make some parts of the wps tranparent?
20:24:31markunBigMac: it just seams eye candy is not a very high priority for most devs
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20:25:31BigMacmarkun:its not i eyer candy its j candy :-)
20:26:46mirakmarkun: you know profiling ?
20:27:16BigMacwell its lunch time
20:27:27Slasheribluebrother: hi, now i am :)
20:28:50lowlightBigMac: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS and search for "transparent"
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20:31:01*Paul_The_Nerd wonders why Julius spends all his time working on things that are only applicable to his themes, instead of trying to push in a direction toward more universal solutions.
20:33:04BigMacmonopoly
20:33:15BigMache wants everyone to have to use his themes
20:33:55Paul_The_NerdI personally think they're silly.\
20:34:08Paul_The_NerdBut then I'm not a fan of trying to make my player look like another sort of player.
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20:35:49amiconnmirak: I've just committed a fix for profiling which affected both coldfire and pp
20:35:57BigMaci like it
20:36:03BigMacbut that is your opinion
20:36:07amiconn(shouldn't have caused a hang though, but the profiling tick frequency was wrong)
20:36:08mirakamiconn: pp ?
20:36:16amiconnportalplayer
20:36:16mirakok
20:36:22BigMacpaul have you ever codded a wps
20:36:26BigMacor anyone here
20:36:39mirakamiconn: are there any how to for profiling ?
20:36:43BigMacwhoever has speak up because i got a question
20:36:48BigMaccoded
20:37:14mirakfrom what I understood I need just to put the mainloop between rb->profile_thread(); and rb->profstop(); ?
20:37:17amiconnmirak: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SourceProfiling
20:37:39mirakamiconn: ok it's the same than TECH
20:37:50amiconnaha
20:37:55*amiconn never tried profiling
20:38:27mirakin fact I am not sure if gcc does everything or if I need to do some stuff for each function
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22:52:43billytwowillyhmm. so I mount my ipod mini, transfer songs over and the songs get deleted when I unmount... how do I fix this? I didn't see anything in the manual...
22:53:13BagderI've never heard that one before
22:54:12billytwowillywell, when I plug the usb cable in some funky apple stuff starts.
22:54:29billytwowillyI think it's the apple firmware deleting stuff that isn't in its database
22:55:24billytwowillywhere do you keep your music in your ipod?
22:55:35BagderI don't have one
22:56:17billytwowillyhmm.
22:56:20BigMaci just place it in the root
22:56:27billytwowillyit didn't delete a folder I put in there now.
22:56:35*billytwowilly goes to remount it and put music in the folder
22:57:37BigMacyah then just pop it all in there
22:57:56billytwowillyk, so it deleted the music I put in that folder... but the directory is still there.
22:57:58billytwowillyweird.
22:58:09billytwowillyhmm. maybe it doesn't like () in the dir name
22:59:39billytwowillyk, weird. doesn't like () in file names/dir names. strange
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23:10:25BigMacanyone here still?
23:12:42*Bagder is here, right here in my room
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23:13:44muesli|delhihavin a bud..watching the game...
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23:15:59BigMacin my wps i have no idea why but the prograss bar keeps getting smaller and smaller
23:18:20 Quit ender` (" And on the 8th day, God said: "Okay, Murphy, it's your turn now."")
23:18:23Siimorswell it can't get smaller than 1px
23:18:37BigMaci fugured it out
23:18:40BigMacyayness
23:18:43Siimorsso u should be fine
23:18:44Siimors:)
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23:19:02imoetthi guys
23:19:18imoettany1 know how to modify creative zen M?
23:19:37imoetti need to adjust the mic volume to make better quality for recording
23:19:44imoettany1 have any idea?
23:19:45Bagderwe know its a tms320-based one
23:20:05imoettim sorry
23:20:09imoettcan u explain more?
23:20:23Bagderbut hey for weird stuff that is not rockbox I advice you to find a zen m forum instead
23:20:35Bagderthis is a channel for Rockbox-related stuff
23:20:37imoettoh^^
23:20:40imoetti c
23:20:48imoettsorry for that
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23:22:05muesli|delhiBagder play nicely to our guests ;)
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