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#rockbox log for 2006-09-17

00:01:35*jhMikeS takes the silence as an "affirmative" :P C'mon...lay it on!
00:02:51*petur is all for it
00:02:58 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com)
00:03:12*jhMikeS thinks it's time for premptive threads :D
00:03:23peturyuck
00:03:33*Bagder smacks jhMikeS
00:03:35jhMikeSnah! much easier to dealwith
00:05:56*petur hums 'saturday night's alright for fighting'
00:06:31*petur tries to remember what band made it
00:07:00*petur hugs google
00:11:07*jhMikeS says 'beer' and 'fighting' in the same sentence
00:12:40peturjust beer will do...
00:13:01 Join perpleXa [0] (n=perplexa@unaffiliated/perplexa)
00:13:11XavierGrmy mood just fell down after joining #freenode-announce... :(
00:14:06 Quit jhMikeS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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00:21:37jhMikeSI must be missing the depressing aspect of the announcements...went to #freenode-announce and saw something about Rob's mission
00:21:47Mikachuhe's dead
00:22:34jhMikeSthat's awful. how?
00:22:46petursee 23:18 in this channel
00:22:50Mikachuhit by car when riding bike
00:23:35Genre9mp3jhMikes: Rob was riding his bike on tuesday when he was hit by a car, he has spent the last few days at the neuro trauma ICU at a local hospital... news reached us this morning that Rob passed away early today
00:24:34 Quit chelli (Client Quit)
00:25:56idnarpetur: timestamps are useless without timezones :P
00:26:13*petur slaps forehead
00:26:26jhMikeSI know...I'm looking for it in the logs
00:26:38peturan hour ago
00:27:07Bagderbut Genre9mp3 pretty much repeated it
00:27:43Mikachuis it too early to complain about the scheduler?
00:27:51Bagderno
00:28:00dionoeait's past midnight :) can't be too early :p
00:28:07Mikachunavigating menus feels sluggish even when no music is playing
00:28:44BagderI wonder how that can happen
00:29:13XavierGrwow the new scheduler is finally commited?
00:29:17XavierGrgood news then
00:29:28Bagderyes, if you like sluggish UI ;-)
00:29:48XavierGrwell there is no way to make audio skip now :p
00:29:54Mikachui remember when i asked if something like that would ever be added, you said no, that would add years of problems to debug
00:30:05Bagder"no way" is probably an overstatement
00:30:23Mikachuif you enable the eq and crossfeed on an ipod, it will surely skip
00:30:29XavierGrI must update and see the new changes myself
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00:51:58markunCaptain_A: still here?
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01:00:32fannayHi can someone tell me how to play iDoom on rockbox please?
01:00:42zeyou don't
01:00:44zeyou play rockdoom
01:01:02fannayOhh
01:01:07fannaywhere can i get that?
01:01:52fannaydw
01:01:53fannayI have it
01:01:57fannaythanks :]
01:02:19zeheh np :p
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01:05:38fannayHey with rockdoom, do I unzip the wads or just leave them compressed?
01:06:19zeno idea, i dunno anything about it :p
01:06:41zebest advice i can give for general things where there's not really any risk of damage
01:06:44zetry it and see
01:06:44ze:p
01:06:47zeis
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01:07:37mihalishey folks... i just got an ipod and i have a question ;)
01:07:49dionoeafannay: check the wiki page for instructions
01:08:27fannayI checked and it says copy but im not sure if they want me to unzip them or not :/
01:08:50fannayIl just test and see
01:09:00fannaywill let you know ha :]
01:09:00mihalisi dont like the layout of it when i turn it on... it lists folders like"movies" "music" "settings" etc... instead of just a directory tree (which is what i would prefer)... i installed rockbox for it, but it doesnt seem to fix anything
01:09:04mihalisany ideas?
01:09:36dionoeafannay: you need to unzip them
01:09:51mihalisi dont want to categorize all my music by "genre" and all that crap... i just like to keep it simple... alphabetical order (kind of like archos)
01:09:56 Quit ender` (" Japan actually has a fair amount of land, it's just that about 1/3 of the population seems to want to live in the same 13,000")
01:10:05dionoeamihalis: if you installed rockbox it should look completely differnet
01:10:11dionoeamake sure that you reboot the ipod
01:10:18mihalismmmm... it doesnt, and i did
01:10:28dionoeawell then you got something wrong :)
01:10:35mihalisi had rockbox on my old mp3 player...
01:10:38mihalisand it worked fine
01:10:50dionoearebooted like: "keep play and select pressed for 10 seconds" ?
01:10:55mihalismy ipod though... it keeps installing the default configuration
01:11:00mihalisyes
01:11:11mihalisis there another way?
01:11:33mihalishmmm... lemme try again real quick
01:11:42fannayRight can rockbox open wad files?
01:11:55dionoeafannay: no, you launch the doom plugin
01:12:00dionoeaand it looks for the wads
01:12:05dionoeaand lets you select the one you want
01:12:30fannayWhat doom plugin :S I have the doom was
01:12:34fannay*wad
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01:13:10mihalisnope nothing
01:13:21dionoeafannay: check in the plugins list.
01:13:38dionoeamihalis: well you must have got something wrong in the install instructions then i guess
01:13:38mihalisit still says "ipod" at the top of the screen and gives me that lameass menu
01:13:41XavierGrmihalis: are you from Greece?
01:14:03mihalisxavier: no, but i get that all the time... its not my real name, its the name of my favorite song
01:14:06 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
01:14:21XavierGryour favorite song is called mihalis?
01:14:28dionoeamihalis: did you read the instructions from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort ?
01:14:29linuxstb_mihalis: What install instructions did you follow?
01:14:39mihalishrmmm.... i was supposed to just unzip rockbox (including the directory structure) to my ipod root directory, right?
01:14:47XavierGrmihalis is a greek name that's why I ask
01:14:48dionoeaand install the bootloader
01:14:55mihalisbootloader?
01:14:57dionoeayou must've missed that part :)
01:15:04dionoeacheck the link i pasted
01:15:10mihalismust have... my last mp3 player didnt need that
01:15:17mihalisthx
01:15:35dionoeathe archoses were indeed easier :)
01:16:08mihalisyah... leave it to apple to screw things up
01:16:20mihalisall in the name of trying to be "user friendly"...
01:16:31mihalisthey wind up making things more complicated than they need to be
01:17:03dionoeawell they're not supposed to make it easy for you to install rockbox :)
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01:18:19mihalisare there any other easy ways of removing that horrible default interface that an ipod comes with?
01:18:41mihalisyou know what im talking about... that stupid menu that categorizes by "songs", "genres" etc...
01:18:49*jhMikeS is suprised the thread update didn't cause merging conflict with his recording work :)
01:19:13dionoeamihalis: installing rockbox it the only good way to do so :)
01:19:19linuxstb_mihalis: Only not buying an ipod...
01:19:21jhMikeSmihalis: sledgehammer ;)
01:19:27mihalissigh* then i'll do it ;)
01:19:43mihalisi got it 'cause it was 60 gigs... not 'cause it was apple
01:20:45fannayOk help me with rockdoom? I can get to the folder but when i click on the wad it doesnt do anything... please help.
01:20:59dionoeafannay: i already told you not to click on the wad
01:21:04dionoeaopen the doom plugin
01:21:08LandusI've got a bit of a problem with the tagcache.
01:21:34LandusEverytime I add some new songs, and reboot the player, the tagcache will tell me its not ready after a few minutes of it being on.
01:21:46fannaywhere is the doom plugin though?
01:21:49LandusThen, if I reboot it again, only the songs that are new will show up in the tag cache.
01:22:04LandusAnd only them.
01:23:32dionoeafannay: open the menu. choose "Browse plugins" and it'll be somewhere there
01:23:45fannayok thanks will try now
01:26:17*jhMikeS just likes breaking stuff
01:27:23jhMikeSIs that ticking when using the remote likely the same nature of ticking that happens on other platforms?
01:27:29jhMikeSon the x5 that is
01:27:45LandusMost platforms don't tick.
01:27:55fannaythankyou!!
01:28:03jhMikeSwell there's that HAVE_REMOTE_TICKING thing for what H300?
01:28:30Landus-shrug-
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01:29:09jhMikeSIt sounds like it's playing vinyl
01:33:25fannaywow i heart doom
01:34:03LandusYou won't heart it for long.
01:34:09fannaywhyy?
01:34:23LandusFurther into the game, the control become rather slow.
01:34:31LandusYou can't turn fast enough.
01:34:40LandusThus, resulting in your virtual death.
01:34:46fannaymeh doesnt bother mee
01:34:50LandusIt will.
01:34:59fannayhmm ok
01:35:07LandusThe only real use of the game is to show off to friends.
01:35:11LandusPlaying it isn't at all worth it.
01:35:18LandusIt drains the battery too fast.
01:35:23fannaynow what about gba emulators, do they work on rockbox?
01:36:25LandusThere's already one that comes with Rockbox.
01:36:26dionoeanot that i know
01:36:37LandusRockboy is a gba/gbc emulator.
01:36:37dionoeait's only gb or gbc i think
01:36:50LandusAs for how much it wears on the battery, I dunno.
01:36:51fannayohh but they do work on rockbox?
01:37:01LandusYes. It's already installed.
01:37:11fannayohh thats gudd
01:37:17LandusPut on a .gbc or .gba filie, switch the file view to all.
01:37:24dionoeaLandus: wiki doesn't mention gb advanced
01:37:35LandusRockboy is used.
01:37:37dionoeaonly old gameboy or gameboycolor roms
01:37:44LandusAnd I know for a fact that Rockboy supports GBA.
01:37:53LandusAnyway, as I was saying.
01:38:13fannayIl check that out now but this is a really sad question.. how do you exit snake 2?
01:38:22LandusThen select said ROM, hold select, and choose open with.
01:38:32LandusUse the navigation keys to select rockboy.
01:39:09fannayOk Il download some roms
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01:41:36fannayI cant find rockboy on my plugins list ..
01:42:08linuxstb_Landus: dionoea is right - Rockboy doesn't support GBA.
01:42:46fannayYeah ok. But is it supposed to be on my plugins list?
01:43:04linuxstb_No, it's a viewer. Just click on a .gb or .gbc file.
01:43:21fannayOk cheers
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01:46:03mihalishmm... okay i got rockbox installed on my ipod now, but the font is too small... when i select "fonts" nothing happens
01:46:23mihalisyah... "browse fonts" does nothing
01:46:35mihalisthe text is so tiny i can barely read it
01:46:54dionoeamihalis: did you install the fonts package from the downloads page ?
01:47:09dionoeaand you can also get themes from the wiki or rockbox-themes.org which make it look way better
01:47:26mihalishmm... nope i thought it included some...what do you recommend i use?
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01:47:42mihalisooooh themes ;)
01:47:55*mihalis is liking is his new ipod more already
01:47:56dionoeathe blackglass (noAA) theme is nice
01:48:36scottderFlying Spaghetti Monster theme rocks!
01:49:06dionoeawhat target is that for ?
01:49:37dionoealol ... great theme :)
01:50:02scottderTouch his Noodly Appendage
01:50:09kpfleming|laptopdionoea: yes, blackglass is nice
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01:56:30fannayHello me againn. If I use the ipodlinux installer will it delete my rockbox or something like that?
01:57:50Captain_Ayes
01:58:17mihalisok... i know i sound helpless here, but i have yet another question (god i hate being a n00b)
01:58:30Captain_A?
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01:58:58mihalishow do i install these fonts on my ipod? i downloaded them, and searched all over the rockbox site, but i cant seem to find font installation instructions
01:59:31Captain_Aextract them to Drive:/.rockbox/fonts
01:59:37mihalisdanke ;)
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02:00:31fannayIs there anyway I can put ipodlinux on with my rockbox without deleting it then?
02:00:59dionoeaask the ipodlinux people :)
02:01:11Captain_Ano
02:01:25Captain_Ait deletes the partition
02:01:32Captain_Aback up your music
02:01:35Captain_Athen reinstall
02:01:39fannayI dont mind my music going
02:01:46fannayI just want ipodlinux and rockbox :]
02:01:57Captain_Awell your out of luck
02:02:05dionoeayou can install rockbox afterwards
02:02:11fannayOhh ok
02:02:14Mikachuit's certainly not impossible, but it's easier to just install rockbox after ipl
02:02:15Captain_Ait removes the partition so then bye bye rockbox. you have to reinstall
02:02:27fannayOk thank you
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02:11:56fannayHII :D Where can I get pacman roms?
02:12:51Mikachuthe internet
02:17:02mihalisok! i got the fonts installed... now for themes ;) what's a good place to get alot of themes
02:17:10mihalisthanks by the way ;)
02:20:37mihalisanyone know a good theme database?
02:26:52kpfleming|laptopgoogle search for 'rockbox themes'
02:26:59kpfleming|laptopor use the FAQ
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02:34:54JdGordonba-nbumm.... another target no longer fits in rombox!
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02:47:51kernel_i386wow.. please port this to rockbox: http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=26402
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02:50:48JdGordonwhat is it?
02:51:04kernel_i386it's by far the coolest winamp visualization I have ever seen
02:51:26kernel_i386I guess it's impossible..
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02:58:36Servo888So to get ogg support do I need a player with ogg decoding hardware? Or one with the required cpu power?
02:59:04kpfleming|laptopthe latter
02:59:14kpfleming|laptopi played ogg/vorbis files on my iPod 4G just fine
02:59:45Servo888So 4G ipods and later should be able to support ogg?
02:59:56kpfleming|laptopfor sure, probably most other devices too
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03:00:03dongsnow the question is, did he have insurance, and if not, who's going to foot the bill for 4 days of brain surgery?
03:00:10dongsi would imagine it would be quite large
03:00:42dongsalso what about the money he begged out on spinhome? will this be returned to original donators since it is no longer needed?
03:00:55BHSPitMonkeyhe probably won't be insured, not wearing a helmet and all.
03:01:24BHSPitMonkeydongs, I have a feeling the donaters wouldn't mind it going to the family.
03:01:30BHSPitMonkeyfor the most part.
03:01:46Servo888kpfleming|laptop, hmm. Ok well that's good. So I just need to find a player I like.
03:03:17dongsBHSPitMonkey: allright
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03:24:08Xadowguys, mind talking to me about the portable media players you know and what would you recomend me?
03:26:26Servo888Is there video support for the video ipods?
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03:26:54dongsno
03:27:02Servo888Will there be?
03:27:12linuxstbUnlikely.
03:27:55Xadowther eis support as far as i know
03:28:08Xadow*is
03:28:46kernel_i386I heard that it's possible (with the iAudio X5) but without any sound..
03:29:03Xadowhave you seen the main page?
03:29:06linuxstbmpegplayer (the new, in-progress Rockbox video player) works on the video ipod, but it doesn't use the video decoding chip, so it doesn't really count.
03:29:14kernel_i386ok
03:29:21Xadow~60 gig video ipod
03:29:49Xadow30~
03:30:23Xadow(30~60)
03:30:34Xadowi see
03:30:56kernel_i386erm.. yeah.. I guess I'm blind ;)
03:31:07Xadow:P
03:31:24preglowscreen -r
03:31:27preglowscren .r
03:31:40preglowok
03:31:49Xadowmeh...
03:33:48preglowsssshr
03:34:00preglowok, i'll justh shut up
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03:39:08BHSPitMonkeyso has anyone here gotten their hands on a 5.5G (ownership-wise)
03:40:06Xadownot me =P
03:40:18preglow7sdf
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03:41:26DarthShrineMorning.
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03:49:38BHSPitMonkeymornin
03:53:37BHSPitMonkeygapless in the 5G with updated firmware seems to work fine... wonder why they left it out before.
03:53:50BHSPitMonkeyso people could get worked up and excited over it now?
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04:02:08KaiNhello all
04:03:00KaiNI just installed rockbox today, and now that I have it the way I want it, I am getting a "Codec Error" This is my last stop, I have been searching for 2 hours for an answer
04:03:19KaiNactually "codec failure"
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04:16:00Soap[2006-09-16 15:35:06] <KOAP> Is there a trivia bot in here?
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04:20:23scottderBHSPitMonkey: Is that in the 1.2 update for the ipods?
04:21:01BHSPitMonkeyyes
04:21:44DarthShrineRockbox is awesome but way to battery heavy on iPods :(
04:25:26SoapIt is getting better DarthShrine.
04:26:06DarthShrineWhat's making it so bad though?
04:27:58SoapRunning the CPU harder than Apple is a theory. Leaving part of the hardware unintentionally turned on is another. They don't have docs on the hardware, they might have left the oven on.
04:28:11DarthShrineAh.
04:28:44scottderdepends on the codec you're using and what features you are using as well
04:29:02scottderQ3 Ogg Vorbis with minimal LCD usage and I get great time
04:29:10scottderon my Nano
04:29:24DarthShrineI've got mostly AAC.
04:29:34BHSPitMonkeyit'd be nice if you could put the lcd to sleep during playback
04:29:41BHSPitMonkeyif it saved power
04:30:23scottderI have my backlight shut off after 2 seconds...works for me
04:30:43DarthShrineThat's only the backlight though.
04:31:36Soapscottder - my last test gave MP3 bit-per-bit a longer runtime than ogg.
04:32:52scottderAt what bitrate?
04:32:58Soap191
04:33:05Soapfor both.
04:33:24scottderI use Q3 to good effect mostly which is closer to 112
04:33:25Soapthere is no reason to believe ogg @ 96 will perform better than mp3@96.
04:33:35Soapor any other value of N
04:34:03scottderJust a preference of mine....
04:34:25Soapno, it's fine. Just saying mp3 appears to give slightly better battery life.
04:34:40scottderI rarely run out of juice myself....
04:34:55scottderusually not that far from juice, so :)
04:34:58Mikachuogg gives more quality per bit though
04:35:11Soapyou have your ABX logs?
04:35:20scottderthe recent updates have been geared towards lowe bitrates
04:36:09scottderand I am philosphically behind ogg vorbis too
04:37:00DarthShrineWhoa...Eating with CX300s = Weird.
04:37:05DarthShrine</RandomFact>
04:37:17scottderhehehe
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04:37:36scottderI wished the cord on my Koss KSC-35's hadn't broken :(
04:37:45Mikachubtw, turning off the lcd on ipod nano should just be a matter of copying from the h300 lcd code
04:37:47DarthShrineYou can't fix the cord?
04:37:48Soapwire up a new one
04:38:13Mikachui failed when i tried though
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04:39:02scottderI could....just haven't been motivated....may just pick up the KSC-75's instead
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05:19:43TheMcPoonHey guys, can somebody help me with something?
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05:19:53DarthShrineWhat's the something?
05:20:04TheMcPoonHow do you play videos on rockbox with a 60gb video ipod?
05:20:38DarthShrineWell I know there's a viewer for raw MPEG-1 and 2 without sound
05:20:39JdGordonwith mpegplayer
05:20:58TheMcPoonHow do I..install that onto the ipod?
05:21:02TheMcPoonany guides?
05:21:10DarthShrineIt should be there.
05:21:20TheMcPoonWell, I want sound..
05:21:37aliaskThen you're going to have to be patient, or boot into Apple firmware.
05:21:53TheMcPoonOh, okay then
05:22:11aliaskVideo in rockbox is at really early stages at the moment.
05:22:25TheMcPoonokay, thank you
05:24:19TheMcPoonSo, I'll just use rockbox firmware for the games/music, and videos with apple firmware, that'll work?
05:25:08DarthShrineShould.
05:25:36TheMcPoonThanks, I love how with rockbox the volume is much louder
05:25:52DarthShrineHeh, I have about -50dB set.
05:26:08TheMcPoonIsn't that low?
05:26:48DarthShrineNot really, with IEMs.
05:27:35TheMcPoonAre IEMs headphones? lol, sorry
05:29:12DarthShrineIn Ear Monitors. Poky things that go in your ears.
05:29:21TheMcPoonOh, okay
05:29:29DarthShrine:)
05:30:49TheMcPoonI'm using some Bose headphones, they sound pretty amazing
05:32:39DarthShrineMmm, but they're big
05:34:00TheMcPoonlol, yeah
05:34:09TheMcPoonBut I love bass, so they're great for me :P
05:35:18DarthShrineMine are surprisingly rich
05:35:25DarthShrineAnyway, I'm off.
05:35:45TheMcPoonAlright, take care. Thanks for the chat.
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05:59:41mihaliseek... mucho problemo
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06:00:07mihalisis it true that now that i have installed rockbox on my ipod video, that i can't use it to watch videos anymore?
06:00:32mihalisdefinitely a side effect im not fond of
06:00:35scorcheyou can still watch the videos on the apple side
06:00:43mihalishow do i get to the apple side?
06:00:55scorchewhole booting, hold the menu button
06:01:00mihalisit boots w/ rockbox now
06:01:03scorches/whole/while
06:01:06mihalisoh ;)
06:01:11mihalisill try that... thx
06:01:29scorcheit may take some practice to get it right, but it works ;)
06:02:38mihalishmmm must not be doing it right
06:02:48scorchehold your finger very still
06:03:46mihalisnope... "rockbox loaded"
06:03:52scorchekeep trying
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06:04:42*mihalis smiles :)
06:04:53mihalis"Loading original firmware..." thanks
06:05:00mihalishmmmm but nothing is happening
06:05:27mihalisyikes... good thing i backed it up
06:05:44mihalisseems to have frozen
06:06:11mihaliseven when i hooked it up to usb, nothing happened
06:06:37mihalisi may have to remove the batteries now
06:09:05mihalisk... i reset it.. ill just have to copy the backup files to it... as i removed them when i installed rockbox
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06:15:27mihalisdoes anyone know how i can put videos on my ipod and be able to access them without having to install itunes? (i really, really don't want to go through that)
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06:31:36mihalisthanx!
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06:42:44Paul_The_Nerd"How hard can it be?"
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06:44:05scorchevery?
06:44:18Paul_The_NerdOh, clearly if it sounds simple it must *be* simple. :-P
06:44:23scorchei havent been able to access the forums, but i can ping them =(
06:44:30Paul_The_NerdI assume something specific prompted the topic change?
06:44:36Paul_The_NerdYeah, the forums aren't letting me in either.
06:44:42Paul_The_NerdNeither is Misticriver though
06:45:16sharpei haven't been around much lately...
06:45:33Paul_The_NerdAh
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06:45:56scorchesharpei!
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06:50:28Paul_The_NerdHow long have the forums been hard to access?
06:51:39scorchenot sure
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06:51:50scorchei got home about 2-3 hours ago
06:51:53scorchesince then
06:51:53Paul_The_NerdAh.
06:52:10Paul_The_NerdLast time I used it was 4am CST or so, woke up in the middle of the night, couldn't sleep, answered some questions.
06:52:21scorcheyeah...i saw that
06:52:22Paul_The_NerdBeen out of townish though, so minimal access.
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06:53:17scorchei was surprised to hear that you actually do sleep
06:53:19scorchebah
06:53:45sharpehaha.
06:53:57scorchehush dog
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06:58:47sharpewell, i'm off. g'day everyone.
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07:10:17TheMcPoonCan somebody help me please? I can't get pacman to work, or gb/gbc games to work on an ipod video
07:10:26DarthShrineDetails?
07:11:22TheMcPoonI've tried pasting them as they say, but it does not show any roms for the gb/gbc games, and it says there is no rom for the pacman
07:12:48TheMcPoonAm I doing something wrong, or do I have the wrong roms/pacman rom?
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07:13:19Paul_The_Ner1Pacman has six rom files.
07:13:39DarthShrineWhat the...I can't even get to the site
07:13:44Paul_The_Ner1GB/GBC games should have the extension .gb or .gbc, and you just click on the files, wherever you've put them.
07:13:57Paul_The_Ner1DarthShrine: The forums are currently down.
07:14:21TheMcPoonWell, they don't show up on the ipod (gb/gbc) and I had thought I got all 6 pacman files from a pacmanplus zip I had
07:15:18Paul_The_Ner1Did they have the same checksums as those mentioned on the PluginPacbox page?
07:15:26Paul_The_Ner1And, what file view mode are you in on the iPod?
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07:16:11TheMcPoonohhhhhhhh... >_<.. the viewmode.. forgot about that... lmao!, thanks for reminding me. And, I'm not sure if they had the same checksum, can you tell me where to get the right pacman?
07:16:18DarthShrinePaul_The_Nerd: I can't even get to the wiki.
07:16:38Paul_The_NerdTheMcPoon: No.
07:16:55Paul_The_NerdTheMcPoon: You cannot legally download pacman Roms. In fact the only way to legally acquire them is to dump them from your own pacman system board.
07:17:03Paul_The_NerdSo, do not ask where to get them.
07:17:10TheMcPoonAlright
07:17:22Paul_The_NerdDarthShrine: Wiki works fine for me.
07:17:42Paul_The_Nerdhttp://www.rockbox.org/ is up. It's on a different server than http://forums.rockbox.org/
07:21:17DarthShrineAh, there it goes.
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07:37:55solidunitanyone try rockbox on the 2nd gen nano ? does it work?
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07:38:12Paul_The_NerdNo.
07:38:15DarthShrineNo.
07:38:21solidunitbummer
07:38:21Paul_The_NerdThe 2nd gen nano is *very* different internally
07:38:26Paul_The_NerdIt'll likely be a while before it can work.
07:38:27DarthShrineAnd externally...
07:38:56Paul_The_NerdExternal doesn't matter much for software porting
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07:39:16DarthShrineNo, but it's still different :P
07:39:22TheMcPoonWell, I got the gb/gbc to work. The sound is not that great, and the controls are difficult, but it's awesome that is works. Does anyone know if they're going to work on it more?
07:39:51Paul_The_NerdYeah, patches show up for it from time to time
07:40:01Paul_The_NerdIt's hardly a focus on the iPod since there's all the other playback and battery issues to deal with still
07:40:12TheMcPoonBy downloading daily builds, are the patches inside?
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07:40:38Paul_The_NerdThe whole definition of "patch" is "something not yet included." Patches eventually get included if they're considered good enough
07:40:59Paul_The_NerdUsually this requires that they follow the coding guidelines, don't break anything, and don't increase the size of the main binary more than they're worth.
07:41:11TheMcPoonI see
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07:43:00TheMcPoonAre there any other visualizations besides the oscilloscope?
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07:43:16Paul_The_NerdNot really, no.
07:43:32TheMcPoonI hope they add some, would be cool.
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07:43:58Paul_The_NerdAgain, the focus is on much more important things
07:44:03TheMcPoonOh, I know
07:44:04Paul_The_NerdBut it's open source, anyone could come along and make some.
07:44:14Paul_The_NerdPatches often show up out of the blue adding something cool
07:44:22Paul_The_NerdLike the SID music format, or the ZXSpectrum emulator.
07:44:27TheMcPoonHow do you add patches to your current build?
07:44:59Paul_The_NerdSee the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
07:46:48TheMcPoonI wonder if they'll ever make a program that will autoupdate
07:49:19Paul_The_NerdAutoupdate what?
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07:49:34DarthShrineRockbox I guess.
07:49:55TheMcPoonFirmware, meaning that when you plug your ipod (etc) and use the 'autoupdate' program, it will just download all updates and install them
07:50:00TheMcPoonthat'd be pretty cool
07:50:01Paul_The_NerdThat doesn't make too much sense. I mean, a new build is made available the instant any patch or other change is added into the official version. All you have to do is download that and unzip
07:50:20TheMcPoonI suppose
07:50:35Paul_The_NerdA few people have made tools that will grab the latest Rockbox and unzip it for you though
07:52:18TheMcPoonSo, to update to the newest daily build, all you do is unzip and extract onto the player right?
07:52:20safetydanTheMcPoon, more visualisations are unlikely to ever be added as they'd chew battery life pretty fast
07:52:52Paul_The_NerdWell, added as plugins though. If people want the option to drain their battery four times as fast, let 'em. :-P
07:53:12TheMcPoonExactly ^ lol
07:53:14Paul_The_NerdTheMcPoon: Yup. This is covered in various parts of the instructions, though I can't say for certain if it's in the manual
07:53:32TheMcPoonAnd okay, thanks
07:53:39safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, yeah plugins I guess. Though most people who ask for them want them on the WPS.
07:55:02Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: Well, once you've got viewports, you could theoretically modify plasma, fire, oscilloscope etc to render to a viewport in the WPS, I imagine. Y'know, if you really felt like you needed to either eat up battery life, or just have bragging rights of some sort.
07:55:37safetydantrue, true
07:55:46Paul_The_NerdHonestly, I use a very simple grayscale WPS anyway. No real graphics to speak of. So, I don't really care if this never happens. :)
07:56:00safetydanthough I really wonder about visualisations sometimes... who's looking at their music player while it's playing music?
07:56:12JdGordoni doubt plugins and wps would be able to draw to the same screen, even if viewports are used...
07:56:13TheMcPoonlol, I do when I'm laying down :P
07:58:21Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Some changes would have to go into the whole WPS rendering system, but I'm sure a way could be done in the end.
07:58:48TheMcPoonI'm really amazed at the volume of the rockbox firmware compared to that of apple.
07:58:53*JdGordon rekons the wps rendering shuold be rock-ified with only a very dumb renderer in the core
07:58:56TheMcPoonBig difference.
07:59:13JdGordon... but thats an argument for anoother day
07:59:53TheMcPoonAnd, rockbox sounds much better to me.
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08:00:22TheMcPoonIs it just me?
08:00:45JdGordonits jst you... everyone lese thinks it sounds like a bag of shit :D
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08:00:52TheMcPoonWow, really?
08:00:55safetydanshould sound no worse than the original firmware at least
08:00:55Paul_The_NerdPeople often argue that it sounds better, or worse.
08:01:18Paul_The_NerdMost even remotely empirical tests (ABX using the same files, or analyzed output) show that it's pretty much indistinguishable at identical settings.
08:01:21JdGordonTheMcPoon: well, there was one guy that said that.. and its funny :D
08:01:58Paul_The_NerdOf course, with Rockbox you have crossfeed and a parametric equalizer, so you don't have to settle for "identical" settings for your own listening
08:02:29TheMcPoonI think it sounds amazing.. I've been switching over and testing both, the volume goes much louder (does not hurt my ears @ max with apple, hurts to go anywhere near max on rockbox = w00t) and the quality seems much clearer. The bass made glitchy sounds, like the bass was too high or something on the apple, and the bass is strong on the rockbox, but clear!
08:03:16*TheMcPoon shrugs
08:05:35safetydanTheMcPoon, are you using an iPod?
08:05:41TheMcPoonoh and my headphones shake on my head.. now that's some bass.. probably not good for my ears... <.<
08:05:53TheMcPoonYeah
08:06:03TheMcPooniPod Video (60GB)
08:06:44safetydanTheMcPoon, I believe Apple included a volume limiter in their firmware to stop people suing them for damaging their hearing
08:07:10Paul_The_NerdWell there's an extra volume limiter in the newer versions (maybe only for EU iPods)
08:07:10TheMcPoonYeah, I'm sure they did. I was talking about that before to my friend.
08:07:20TheMcPoonwith*
08:07:23Paul_The_NerdBut theirs only goes up to ~0dB if I had to hazard a guess, while ours goes up to +6
08:07:34Paul_The_NerdEven without the limiter
08:07:44TheMcPoonIt's weird though, it sounds quite louder even before I get to 0dB
08:07:55Paul_The_NerdOf course at +6 earbuds can pretty much be used as (really bad sounding) speakers.
08:08:28TheMcPoonlol
08:09:12TheMcPoonI'm at -15dB, and it still sounds louder than the max of apples..
08:09:17*TheMcPoon shrugs again
08:09:18TheMcPoonlol
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08:16:20safetydanhrrm... it'd be really nice to have the data sheet for the wm8758 so we can solve this hardware eq thing
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08:16:36mihalis...got ANOTHER problem.. heh
08:17:10mihalisi finally got around to actually listening to my ipod, only to discover that it sounds hollow and tinny.. crappy sound quality
08:17:26mihalisis that something associated with rockbox or is it the ipod?
08:17:42mihalisanybody know?
08:17:57safetydanmihalis, have you tried playing audio in the original firmware?
08:18:06mihalisi have not...
08:18:27mihalisi suppose thats one way to find out
08:18:42mihalisi'd have to install itunes to move the mp3s over then...
08:18:58safetydanRockbox is unlikely to be producing crappy sound
08:19:04mihalisi have half amind to just take this back to the store where i bought it and demand a refund
08:19:19mihalisipod sucks compared to archos, hands down
08:19:20safetydanthough check that you have all the sound settings normal
08:19:39safetydanso disable the hardware eq (if you have it), the software eq, and ensure anything else is at 0 or reasonable defaults
08:19:52mihalisyah... i disabled the equalizers... that was my first thought
08:19:58mihaliseverything is set to 0
08:20:25safetydanIt might be you just don't like the iPod sound
08:20:31Paul_The_NerdAlso: What are the various stats of the files? (Format, bitrate, sample rate)
08:20:35mihalishmmm... yah i think thats it
08:20:39safetydanbut try the original firmware first
08:20:43mihalisi will
08:21:02mihalisoh... i was listening to a 256 kbps 44.1 mp3
08:21:18mihalisit sounds great burned to a cd
08:21:39mihalison my ipod it sounds like its being played on a laptop
08:21:59mihalisno matter what speakers i use
08:22:06mihalisits like its filtering out good sound
08:23:12safetydanAnother thing try is a settings reset and play the audio with the default settings of Rockbox. Just in case you've accidentally over-tweaked something.
08:23:53mihalisyah... ill try that too... i mean, i listened to this in my car, and normally music sounds great in my car.... not this
08:24:01mihalisthis was horrible
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08:24:57Paul_The_NerdAn iPod should have considerably higher audio quality than say, FM Radio, at least.
08:25:21Paul_The_NerdIf your say yours is distorting, definitely try a settings reset, try the original firmware.
08:25:27mihalisyah... well, this certainly didnt, and for what i paid for it, i expect it to be at least as good as my last mp3 player
08:26:01mihalis...if i dont get it sorted out tonight, ill just haul it back up to circuit city... i just hope they'll give me a refund on the warranty package i bought with it
08:26:43Paul_The_NerdYou're not going to bother trying another one, just in case yours is shot?
08:28:58mihalisno, if this one doesnt work, ill probably go with an archos or a creative
08:29:14*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
08:29:16Paul_The_NerdSeems somewhat silly
08:29:20mihalisi mean, ipod's look cooler, but if they dont perform as well, i dont want one
08:29:21Paul_The_NerdIf you'd prefer one of those, why not buy it first?
08:29:49Paul_The_NerdHow do you know they don't perform as well, if there's a chance yours is just flawed?
08:29:49safetydanIf you want Rockbox, I don't believe any of the Creative models are supported
08:29:53mihaliswell, i thought it might be better than what i had before... but if its not, ill go with what i had b4
08:29:58Paul_The_NerdAnd no currently sold Archoses are either.
08:30:05mihalisyah... i like rockbox *sigh*
08:30:18Paul_The_Nerdmihalis: Again, how is a single, potentially broken unit anything resembling a sampling that tells you how well they work?
08:30:28safetydaniRiver H10 or Apple iPod or iAudio X5 I believe are your options for available new mplayers
08:30:32mihalisu got a point... lemme check something real quick
08:30:33Paul_The_NerdAs well, when you used it in your car, what did you have the volume on the iPod set at?
08:30:33safetydanplayers even
08:30:55safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, that's a good point. Should have been set to 0dB if it's a line-in on the car
08:31:02mihalispaul: i had it set at 0. anything more would blow my speakers, and less sounded worse
08:31:30Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: If it's line in, 0dB, if it's a tape deck or FM transmitter, -25ish often seems good, and turning up the regular head unit's volume more to compensate.
08:31:43Paul_The_Nerdmihalis: Was it a line in, or some other method of getting the sound there?
08:31:44mihalisim going to try listening to a track with old firmware, and then listen to the same track with rockbox
08:31:53safetydannot having used my iRiver in the car yet I'll take your word for it :)
08:32:13Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: I've found you get distortion *really* easily with tape adapters, at least.
08:32:15mihalisit was a tape adapter, BUT i used the same tape adapter with a cd player and a burned cd of the same mp3, and it sounded better
08:32:43Paul_The_Nerdmihalis: Try the iPod with headphones at least. Put it on a comparision where you can more directly control the environment.
08:33:07mihalisyah thats what im doing... one sec
08:34:41mihalisbrb
08:41:28mihalis... okay ;) im satisfied. i think it mustve been something with the settings
08:41:29mihalishaha
08:41:56mihalisit was like a nasty setting somewhere that made it sound like ass in a glass
08:42:42Paul_The_NerdRockbox has very powerful sound altering settings, and almost no "protection." This means that while you can tweak your sound a lot to get something you like better, it's also very easy to make it sound quite horrible.
08:43:31mihalishaha yah.. i mustve scerwed with it accidentally earlier when i was learnnig the controls
08:45:02mihalisthanks for your help! without it, i might have made a mistake tomorrow
08:45:43mihalisi just hope i figure out how to convert movies faster than by using itunes... 'cause man its slow
08:45:51mihalisbut thats antoher problem
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08:46:13Paul_The_NerdI use Videora. Well, I convert for my PSP, but it uses the same file formats as the iPod Video's retail firmware.
08:46:15TheMcPoontry Videroa iPod Converter.. it's slow too.. lol, but that depends on the file size.
08:46:45mihalishaha... the file size, well try a 2 1/2 hour concert... over a gig
08:46:47TheMcPoonVideora*
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08:47:29mihalisi mean, i wouldnt expect it in 20 minutes, but at the end of 3 or 4 hours, id expect something
08:47:37TheMcPoonlol, well, at least with this program you can queue up files to convert. (haven't tried the itunes converter) so I usually go to bed and convert all I want and wake up with them all done
08:47:45mihalisitunes looked like it might take a month
08:48:20mihalisi tested it on a 6 minute video, and after about 5 minutes, i could barely see the competion bar
08:48:25mihaliscompletion
08:48:26mihalis=P
08:48:48TheMcPoonIt was that slow? lol
08:49:11mihalisyes. i mean, i understand it being that way for the 2 hour concert, but not for a 6 minute clip... thats crazy
08:49:12TheMcPoonTry Videora, see what you think.. if it takes that long with the iTunes one, this will be faster
08:49:23mihalisthanks!
08:49:28TheMcPoonYou're welcome
08:50:28mihalishmmm.. what about xilisoft? ever used it?
08:51:00TheMcPoonFor example, I'm converting a 721mb file, and it's going to take about 55mim. 51 minutes left with 8% (it shows the percent and time left)
08:51:09TheMcPoonHaven't tried
08:51:35mihalisoh cool
08:51:41mihalisyeah thats awesome
08:51:54TheMcPoonYeah, it's a nice little program.
08:52:16TheMcPoonPretty easy too. All you have to do is open it, press one-click transcode, and that's it.
08:52:22mihalisi just downloaded xilisoft ipod video converter from emule... ill try it first before i try videora (because i have it) and if it doesnt work, ill try videora
08:52:40TheMcPoonAlright, tell me how xilisoft works, and if it's quick ;)
08:52:44mihalissure
08:52:53mihalisthe zip file is only 6 mb
08:52:58TheMcPoonlol
08:53:09mihalisit must be pretty simple
08:53:28TheMcPoonI'll be back in a few minutes. Going to go take a shower quick.
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09:01:35mihaliswell, xilisoft is surprisingly fast... i converted the 6 minute test video in about 6 minutes
09:02:43vertic23and quality?
09:03:27vertic23I mean.. it's like the "one-click" DVD Rip tools which only change one factor but do not really reencode the video (which will reduce the quality much more)
09:04:02mihaliswell, i havent tried it yet... im in the process of doing it... we'll see how it works
09:04:10mihalisi still need to copy it over
09:04:38vertic23how many MB?
09:06:49mihalisewww... you're right, it reduces the quality... the file size was cut in half... but, it does have a field where you can change the quality... bitrate, etc
09:07:00mihalisit looks like a pretty nice prog actually
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09:07:20mihalisit's called Xilisoft iPod Video Converter
09:07:36mihalisi got it off emule with a keygen included in the zip :)
09:08:15nlsplease don't talk warez here
09:08:25mihalisgot it... kewl ;)
09:08:50mihalisneedless to say, i think its decent
09:08:58vertic23then buy it
09:09:48mihaliswell, ya know, most video mp3 players of other brands dont require you to convert to their format in the first place... they pley stuff like mpgs
09:10:04mihalisbut apple.... apple has to be difficult... ive never liked apple because of that
09:10:18vertic23I'd never buy an apple product ^^
09:10:29mihalisyah... i feel like i made a mistake
09:10:37mihalisthey are just screwy
09:10:53vertic23apple is maybe good for video-editing ..with those high-end PCs without any trojans (which are running under windows... :P)
09:10:58mihalisi mean, the hardware really is quality, but the software and the firmware suck ass
09:11:05JdGordon:'( why the hell is this line segfaulting? rb->strcpy(prefs.bookmarks[0].filename, this_file); this_file == "/bllaaa" and prefs is all writable!
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09:15:39TheMcPoonI'm back
09:16:09TheMcPoonou, from 8% to 48% in how many minutes?.. like 15, not bad
09:16:12aliaskJdGordon: Have you tried snprintf?
09:16:27JdGordonaliask: no, i guess ill try that next
09:16:49aliaskBut I can't see why that wouldn't work...
09:17:18aliaskPerhaps it doesn't like writing into arrays of structs
09:17:44JdGordoni tried with the dest a local array, same thing
09:17:50JdGordon(gdb) p rb->strcpy
09:17:50JdGordonCannot access memory at address 0x198
09:17:55JdGordonthats odd...
09:18:12JdGordon(gdb) p rb
09:18:12JdGordon$1 = (struct plugin_api *) 0x0
09:18:31JdGordonsomething is wacked.... i dont thing gdb and the rocks work very well together
09:19:07JdGordonrb is inited well before this is called.... and rb->memcpy is called before hand and works fine!
09:19:31TheMcPoonWhat are we talking about here now?
09:19:53JdGordonme trying to get bookmarking back into the text viewer plugin
09:19:58TheMcPoonI see
09:20:22mihaliswhoa the quality actually rocks
09:20:31TheMcPoonQuality of the ipod?
09:20:51JdGordonaliask: snprintf segfaults also!
09:20:55mihalisthe video i just converted
09:21:00TheMcPoonah, okay
09:21:05TheMcPoonHow long did it take?
09:21:06mihalisyah im watching it on my ipod... and yah
09:21:08mihalisits nice
09:21:18mihalismmm... 6 minutes, approximately
09:21:24TheMcPoonfor how many mb?
09:21:29aliaskJdGordon: Sounds like there could be some memory corruption or something, but this is really over my head.
09:21:46mihalis65 mb... the finished file was about half that, but the quality was still excellent
09:21:56mihalisi think it's because it resized it
09:22:02TheMcPoonYeah
09:22:33mihalisanyohw... im hitting the hay for the night... i appreciate all your help
09:22:55TheMcPoonAlright, take care
09:23:01mihalis'nite
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09:28:22TheMcPoonAnyone know how to get pacman working? It's still not working for me..
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09:28:33Paul_The_NerdDid you check to make sure the checksums match, like I suggested?
09:28:35JdGordonread the wiki?
09:29:09TheMcPoonWell, I don't remember exactly how to do that
09:29:46Paul_The_NerdGoogle "MD5 checksum" and find a program that lets you check them on files
09:29:54Paul_The_NerdThe right ones are listed on the wiki page for the plugin
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09:35:28TheMcPoonHmm, I can't find the page now
09:35:29TheMcPoon=\
09:36:14JdGordonaliask: woopsies... it looks like i was overrunning the text buffer :p thats for the memory corruption suggestion :)
09:36:39aliaskSuper
09:36:40Paul_The_NerdTheMcPoon: PluginPacbox in the wiki
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09:40:51TheMcPoonI need 5e and 5f..
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09:44:24vikcan one run an alarm clock on the iriver h300?
09:44:30TheMcPoonou, got them.
09:44:56Paul_The_Nerdvik: Is the alarm clock plugin listed in the manual for the H300?
09:46:39TheMcPoonIt would be cool if them implemented snes or something too
09:47:11vikPaul_The_Nerd: Nope.
09:47:15Paul_The_NerdMP3s aren't exactly "powerful" devices.
09:47:18Paul_The_Nerdvik: Then you have your answer.
09:47:46TheMcPoonWell, gameboy and snes are alike.. and it can run gameboy.. they're both not 3D lol
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09:48:23Paul_The_NerdThe gameboy was like, a fraction of the speed of the SNES.
09:48:23vikPaul_The_Nerd: more the point is, is it possible? I know the hardware can't wake it up at a set time, but if it's switched on...
09:48:35scorchei would say more like SNES and gameboy advance are alike...
09:48:43Paul_The_Nerdvik: In the future it might be possible for the hardware to do something at a given time if it's already powered up.
09:48:53Paul_The_Nerdscorche: SNES is 16-bit, GBA is 32 I believe.
09:48:55TheMcPoonI mean't graphics wise.. they're both not 3D, not power wise :P
09:49:12Paul_The_NerdGB<NES<GBC<SNES<GBA roughly.
09:49:36Paul_The_NerdActually NES may be above GBC
09:49:42Paul_The_NerdI think it could handle more simultaneous sprites.
09:49:47Paul_The_NerdThought it did that silly flicker thing
09:49:50scorchePaul_The_Nerd: meh...it is a lot closer than gameboy and snes
09:50:29Paul_The_NerdHeh
09:51:33Paul_The_NerdThough technically in terms of sheer CPU speed, all the way up to the DS they're still less than an iPod.
09:51:58Paul_The_NerdBut then, with emulation you need a significant multiple of the target's CPU power usually, anyway.
09:51:59TheMcPoonwow
09:52:27Paul_The_NerdThe Nintendo DS has a 33mhz and 66mhz ARM core if my memory serves. The 33mhz is the graphics processor, if I recall.
09:53:18TheMcPoonWhat does the iPod have?
09:53:38Paul_The_NerdIt has two 75mhz ones, though we only really make use of one for the time being.
09:53:57TheMcPoonWow, that's impressive. I didn't know that.
09:54:05vikPaul_The_Nerd: I'm trying to work out why the alarm plugin doesn't go on the rockbox; AFAICT it just polls the clock, then starts playing music when the time is up.
09:54:53Paul_The_NerdTheMcPoon: Well the difference is that the DS has a variety of other bits of hardware that helps. Like probably a hardware 3D chip somewhere
09:55:07Paul_The_Nerdvik: Because it's not adapted to work with the H300 yet?
09:55:35vikOr it hasn't been tried?
09:55:57Paul_The_NerdWell try it if you really feel you must
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09:58:45TheMcPoonIs there any sites that you can download more plugins?
09:59:09TheMcPoonAre*
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10:00:10Paul_The_NerdNot really
10:00:20Paul_The_NerdThere is a site that calls itself PluginBox, or was (I don't know if it's still around)
10:00:30Paul_The_NerdMost people who make plugins submit them as patches.
10:00:53TheMcPoonHow long do patches take to install?
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10:01:08Paul_The_NerdDepends.
10:01:08*scorche wonders about the purpose of any site that holds plugins/themes
10:01:12Paul_The_NerdI can patch and rebuild in about 3 minutes
10:01:24Paul_The_NerdBut you have to learn to compile and set up a dev environment first.
10:02:06Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Well, a site to actually organize themes better is a nice idea. If it had a proper database and let you filter by patches required since nobody seems to like making "pure" themes
10:03:44scorchewell, if it is done right, of course...but the rockbox site always has more themes/plugins than the other sites and never lacks any that this other site might have
10:03:53JdGordonrockbox-themes.org
10:03:56scorchejust talking about the current state of such sites
10:04:31scorcheJdGordon: i have seen it, but it still has the issue above
10:04:54scorcheonly place i have seen themes that are not on the site was on misticriver forums
10:05:32Paul_The_NerdWell that's because there's still a decent percentage of people there who don't know there *is* an official Rockbox site.
10:05:32scorche("the site" being rockbox.org)
10:06:04scorcheuhhh....wow...really?
10:06:18*scorche googles rockbox....
10:06:25*scorche looks at the first result
10:06:29Paul_The_NerdThey get introduce to Rockbox by being pointed to one of the Experimental Builds there.
10:06:35Paul_The_NerdSomeone links them directly to fwpatcher.exe
10:06:39Paul_The_NerdThey get their themes from a thread.
10:06:51Paul_The_NerdThey ask questions there, get them answered, then start reporting bugs there.
10:07:08scorcheick..doesnt sound too efficient
10:07:36Paul_The_NerdOn the plus side, they're experimental build bugs.
10:07:58Paul_The_NerdIt's gotten a lot better.
10:08:41Paul_The_NerdI spent about two months irritating a lot of people by responding to almost every bug / help request in MR with an answer + "in the future you'll be more likely to receive quality help at the official forums"
10:08:45scorchei think i will still stick with rockbox.org tyvm
10:08:51Paul_The_NerdWhich is how I learned there were people who would respond "You mean these aren't?"
10:10:28Paul_The_NerdI don't go there any more
10:10:57safetydanmistic can be scary
10:11:00scorcheheh....i can see why not
10:11:04safetydannot as bad as head-fi though
10:11:10JdGordonholy cow! i just got an email and gmail says it arrived 10 hours ago! (from hotmail) do you rekon gmail purposly held it back soo long to kill hotmail ? :D
10:11:11*safetydan is still snickering about the hw eq thread
10:11:15Paul_The_NerdBut for a little while, I posted a lot, to try to emphasize the unofficial nature of the "Optimized" or "Experimental" build, as well as point out that there is an official version.
10:11:39Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: I never read the whole thing. Is there a particularly funny bit?
10:11:53Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: Or is it all the "It's like night and day" people?
10:12:17safetydanPaul_The_Nerd, the fact that people were saying that the sound was so much better when in fact I'd stuff up and accidentally set all the hw eq bands to +12 dB gain
10:12:38safetydanthat, and we're also not sure the peak filters actually work
10:12:43Paul_The_Nerdsafetydan: Hahaha. So, "better" == "louder"
10:12:52safetydanso basically people are saying the sound is so much better with +12 dB bass and +12 dB treble
10:12:59scorche...
10:13:06scorchewow
10:13:37scorchethere are times when i forget the idiocy of some people =)
10:14:01safetydanCuriously there's been no response to Febs post pointing this out
10:14:27BagderI hope they're busy hiding, hoping we will forget they ever said what they did ;-)
10:14:33scorchePaul_The_Nerd: are you still having issues connecting to the forums?
10:14:43Bagderaudiophiles? naah
10:14:43Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Yes.
10:14:54scorcheas am i
10:14:57scorchejust curious
10:14:58Bagderme too
10:15:09Paul_The_NerdMR has been down too though
10:15:26Paul_The_NerdAnd this time it's not just a DNS server, since I can't even get to it by direct use of the IP
10:15:39scorchei dont know whether to say it is "down" or not...i can still ping it
10:24:18TheMcPoonhow long can the ipod video play video for?
10:25:06Paul_The_NerdIsn't that something you'd check at the Apple website?
10:25:16TheMcPoonI suppose.. lol
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10:28:43TheMcPoonare bleeding edge builds good?
10:29:58Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean?
10:30:22TheMcPoonAre they better than daily builds
10:30:39Paul_The_NerdBetter in what way?
10:30:51*TheMcPoon shrugs, that's what I'm asking
10:30:53TheMcPoonlol
10:30:54Paul_The_NerdDaily builds are just the bleeding edge build made most recently before a specific time each day.
10:31:21Paul_The_Nerd"Better than the bleeding edge" doesn't mean anything, since you're not giving me what on Earth you would consider the axis they're to be compared upon
10:31:46aliaskPlus, they're basically the same - only one is slightly older than the other.
10:31:49TheMcPoonfeatures/bug fixes etc
10:32:10Paul_The_NerdThe bleeding edge build will have the newest features, bug fixes, AND bugs.
10:32:14Bagderthe bleeding builds becomes the daily every (euro) morning
10:32:17Paul_The_NerdThe daily build will have the same bugs for 24 hours at a time
10:32:28TheMcPoonI see
10:32:41TheMcPoonThanks for the explaination
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10:46:21zehmm
10:46:26zeTheMcPoon: do you come with a little packet of hair?
10:46:36TheMcPoonUmm..what
10:46:42zeheh, nevermind
10:46:51TheMcPoonGross
10:46:52TheMcPoonlo
10:46:54TheMcPoonlol*
10:47:41zeyour nick just reminds me of some old stuff from an channel on an old network :p
10:47:50zeer an old channel
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10:48:17TheMcPoonI see
10:49:34peturmust have been an old nick?
10:49:55zeno, an old quote
10:49:58peturused on an old pc?
10:50:31TheMcPoonwith an old keyboard
10:50:58zeit is in an old quote db
10:51:02zeimported from an even older db
10:51:17zeso that some metadata (that didn't exist in the old db) is set as oldformat
10:51:20ze;p
10:51:28peturhey, grow up! ;)
10:51:39*Bagder thinks ze is old
10:51:41Bagder;-)
10:51:49BHSPitLappyso has anyone taken a magnifying glass to any of the new iTunes games
10:52:11TheMcPoonnope
10:52:18zeactually its not very old, only like 98 or 99 or something :p
10:52:19TheMcPoonwouldn't pay for small games like that
10:52:19TheMcPoonlol
10:52:32BHSPitLappyheh, rockbox needs an equivalent of "wine" now, to play those games
10:53:34Paul_The_NerdWhy?
10:58:54JdGordonwhats up with forums.rockbox?
10:59:58Paul_The_NerdThey seem to be quite inaccessible.
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11:00:02Paul_The_NerdThey have been for many hours
11:00:12JdGordonis MR down also?
11:00:20Paul_The_NerdYes
11:00:24JdGordonok
11:00:29SlasheriBagder: hi, btw do you know what is wrong with my build server (ihme.org) as it no longer seems to receive rockbox builds?
11:01:05JdGordonSlasheri: did u cop amiconn;s wrath for breaking rombox on the v2 rec ? :D
11:01:16BagderSlasheri: I'll see if I can figure it out...
11:01:39SlasheriBagder: sounds good :) because in build logs i can only see that connection was failed which is weird
11:02:10SlasheriJdGordon: hmm, i see that has happened then..
11:02:23BagderSlasheri: "WARNING: Your password has expired."
11:02:29JdGordon:'( im getting server error 500 on the wiki..
11:02:29SlasheriJdGordon: it would have happened a sooner or later
11:02:30Bagderit says when I try to ssh to it
11:02:39SlasheriBagder: oh.. so it doesn't use ssh public key?
11:02:54BagderSlasheri: my end does, your end seems to refuse it
11:02:56JdGordonSlasheri: ye i know..im just gald it wasnt me who did it :) ami wasnt happy with acitons bloating it abit
11:03:13SlasheriBagder: ah, hmm.. then i will disable that password expiration for that account
11:03:25SlasheriBagder: could you change the password so that it will work again?
11:03:48Bagderhow can I? I don't have a password for your machine
11:04:09Bagderthis is somehow after the publickey has been okayed
11:04:12Slasheriah, so you don't know the password at all
11:04:18Bagdernope
11:04:19Slasherihmm, then i will just reset it
11:04:36Slasherinow it should work, please try again :)
11:04:54Bagdernope
11:05:05Slasheriit still says it's expired?
11:05:22Bagderyeps
11:05:24Slasheriargh, need to modify ldap then.. just a moment
11:07:23perplexity"52 builds in 475 seconds (7mins 55secs) makes 9.1 seconds/build" <−− those are nice numbers :)
11:07:48Bagder7min 55 secs are pretty long by our standards
11:08:07perplexityyeah I know.. one of my servers was bandwidth clogged and took ages to upload a build..
11:08:22Bagderand 4 servers didn't participate at all
11:08:42JdGordonwe should BT the finished .zips instead of sending them back to the build server
11:08:57BagderBT?
11:09:04perplexityBitTorrent.. nice idea..
11:09:29SlasheriBagder: please try now again, shadowMax should be now 0
11:09:34perplexitybuilder.fnarfbargle.com already has a bittorrent system setup on it ;)
11:09:42Bagderbut then all build servers would need to allow bittorrents, which I think is a bad idea
11:09:53JdGordon... or at least say the builds are done before having to send all the zips back.. that would speed it up slightly wouldnt it?
11:10:01BagderI'm quite sure the amount of servers I herd do not have that setup
11:10:26perplexityyeah, one of mine does.. the other does not and really should not.. anyway
11:10:28BagderSlasheri: working now, great!
11:10:35SlasheriBagder: great :)
11:10:41Bagder"-!- You have 8 messages in your INBOX, 8 NEW messages!"
11:10:45Bagder:-)
11:10:48Slasherihehe :D
11:11:31BagderJdGordon: yes, but getting the zip at once will allow us to clean the build dirs afterwards
11:11:39Bagderwhich I hope to add one day
11:12:07perplexityssh brad@bklaptop2:~$ ssh rbclient@fnarfbargle.com du -hc | tail -n1
11:12:08perplexity1.4G total
11:12:11perplexitywould be nice.. :)
11:12:30Bagderthere's talk about upgrading the bandwidth for our main server too within the near future
11:12:40JdGordonwhy would it affect it? copy the .zip to a temp dir, send back the build log, then when all builds are done send back the zips and show the results on the cvs page with a message "zips being uploaded.. be patient"
11:12:47perplexityalthough I suspect leaving the build dirs as is probably helps with the build times anyway mostly
11:13:08Bagderperplexity: no, we do clean builds anyway
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11:13:20Bagderso ccache is what helps us, not the leftovers
11:13:28perplexityAhh.. I'd not really looked at how it was done..
11:13:42BagderJdGordon: I don't think the effort of doing that is worth much
11:13:45perplexityyes, ccache works nicely.. I've been monitoring the cache usage
11:13:46JdGordon... which doesnt help when the servers arnt given the same builds each time... but thats something else :p
11:14:00Bagderas long as we are < 5 mins, I don't give much effort into optimizing the build script
11:14:11perplexityMy biggest problem is one of my servers is severely bandwidth choked..
11:14:47BagderI should possibly enhance the script to only hand out "zip builds" to servers with good bandwidth
11:15:03perplexitynot a bad idea actually.. it's a fast build but a slow upload..
11:15:11JdGordon:) same problem here
11:15:12Bagdera common problem
11:15:26Bagderin JdGordon's case, we have that "solved" by only sending it sim builds
11:15:50Bagderbut it is a bit limited
11:16:23perplexityyou could do that with builder.fnarfbargle.com if you liked.. it's in a similar boat.. fast machine with all the fruit, but just choked..
11:17:01JdGordonye, it would work better if i got the boot builds which are small and fast while the better servers got the other stuff which does take a while..
11:17:16dionoeahello
11:17:21JdGordonperplexity: take the compilers out of rbclient's PATH
11:17:36perplexityJdGordon ?
11:17:42BagderJdGordon: that's not the way, it'll only break the builds
11:17:59perplexityTook me long enough to figure out how to get them *in* there..
11:18:12JdGordonBagder: ah ok...
11:18:16JdGordonperplexity: ignore me :D
11:18:22perplexityI'd just say leave it as is unless the slow link starts to prove a problem..
11:18:24Bagderthe main server decides what servers that can do what builds
11:18:38Bagderperplexity: yeah, that's my thinking too
11:18:48*Bagder leaves
11:19:00perplexityIt's a shame actually, as I have 4 more super beefy servers behind that slow pipe.. :(
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11:21:22perplexityAhh, the build times are in GMT ?
11:21:30lexinstalling mac osx atm
11:21:40lexon a pc :o
11:22:18perplexityDid that a couple of weeks ago lex, but had a problem with internal/external monitors on a laptop and had to give up.. runs nicely when you get it going though :)
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11:23:00lex:p
11:23:08lexit's checking my dvd atm, it's so slow
11:23:27perplexitythe install takes ages...
11:23:38lexyeah, 35 to 45 minutes i read
11:24:00perplexitysomething like that.. it's even a bit slower than windows..
11:24:06lex:)
11:24:27lexlet's see how my 3com ethernet card works and my radeon and my cmedia sound card
11:24:42lexthere's a driver for my sound card if the wiki is right
11:25:09perplexityJesus.. lilo is dead.. :(
11:25:24lexyep :(
11:25:49lexi spoke with him only once, at #xorg
11:26:12scorchehe came in here once
11:27:23lexdid he use a helmet? :o
11:27:33lexi guess not, if he died for head injuries
11:27:39lexso what did we learn from this
11:28:19perplexityDunno, had a mate killed from head injuries and he had a lid on.. sometimes you just get the worst luck..
11:28:44lexyep...
11:29:19Ribslex, he was not wearing a helmet
11:29:21perplexityOh well.. life goes on.. deaths always come in threes.. thats my three.. hope people stop dying now
11:29:28Ribsfrom what's understood atm, it was a hit and run as well
11:29:33Ribsso I guess the driver was at fault
11:29:41lexhmm
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11:41:50Slasherihmm, just trying to implemented a feature that will show wps immediately when selecting a file to play even without disk spinning up
11:41:57Slasheri-ed
11:45:12Slasheriah, but it seems that is not so trivial to implement as i think because playlist creation and showing of the wps happens in the same thread
11:47:46nlsWhy do you want to show the wps before anything is playing?
11:48:25Slasherii just thought ui response would feel better (it would show up the actual filename (and tags if tagcache is loaded in ram) immediately in wps when selecting a file
11:48:51Slasheribut now the problem is that it's not trivial to update the wps.. so maybe i don't try this more at the moment
11:49:29nlsBut then it would sit there doing nothing untill the disk has spun up... Maybe some sort of loading.. indication would be nice?
11:49:52Slasheriyep.. a loading splash could then display above the wps
11:50:23nlsYes that would be nice.
11:51:38dionoeaYet another rockpaint demo: dionoea.chewa.net/happytreefriends.png">http://dionoea.chewa.net/happytreefriends.png
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11:53:38vikhow does a file go from being foo.c to foo.rock ? A file I'm compiling compiles OK, the object file is there, but the .rock file has a size of 0.
11:54:29Slasherivik: add the file to plugins/SOURCES and compile whole rockbox
11:56:51vikSlasheri: hmmm... I did put it in there; before hand it wouldn't compile the plugin at all. Now it compiles... but the rock is empty
11:57:35Slasherivik: and you just type "make" and rockbox compiles fine without any errors?
11:57:42vikis there a guide how to create a 'hello world' plugin?
11:57:49vikSlasheri: yep
11:57:55Slasherishould be somewhere in the wiki..
11:58:23Slasheritry also make clean
11:58:45vikjust found a warning on that module... will check it out
11:59:12Slasherigood.. maybe your plugin doesnt have the plugin entry point at all or something like that and compiler thinks it's empty
11:59:41vikwas about an undeclared function.
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12:06:03vikwas missing PLUGIN_HEADER. What exactly does that do? seems like strange C code
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12:07:18safetydanvik, it's a macro that includes various bits needed by the plugin
12:07:49safetydanvik, check apps/plugin.h for the details
12:09:10JdGordonwho knows the viewer.c code?
12:09:43vikWhy does it have to be included in each plugin? Shouldn't #include plugin.h take care of it?
12:10:11Slasherivik: it's a code that goes into the plugin header section of the binary file
12:10:28Slasheriit can't be automatically created in plugin.h
12:10:59Slasheriit contains for example the plugin start address that varies
12:11:19vikright...
12:11:51vikWouldn't it be more conventional to put it in another #include?
12:12:04Slasheriit can't be put in include
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12:12:34Slasheribecause it needs to now the plugin_start address for example that is plugin specific
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12:12:55vikdoes it need to know it before the preprocessor is run?
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12:21:06lexperplexity: didn't get it to work :(
12:21:21JdGordonwoot!!! bookmakrs are back in viewer.c
12:21:31lexperplexity: it gives me a circle on the apple logo
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12:22:18lexnow i need to get to windows again, because the bootloader was in the partition where i installed osx
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12:33:06JdGordonall glory to the hypno-toad!!!
12:33:31nls;-)
12:35:01JdGordonhow can the cvs commit message be changed?
12:35:07vikCool - got alarm functionality for devices without a real alarm clock
12:35:18JdGordonvik: ?
12:35:31vikdevice has to be on.
12:35:45JdGordonclose enough untill real alarms are done...
12:35:59vikJdGordon: huh?
12:36:03JdGordondw
12:36:47vikJdGordon: How will real alarms be done?
12:36:58peturusing the rtc chip in some players
12:37:13peturit can wake up the player
12:37:37vikbut for the players where the rtc cannot wake up the players, this will work
12:37:59JdGordong0t a patch?
12:38:04peturyou'll need to disable idle-shutdown for that ;)
12:38:14vikyep.
12:38:43JdGordonwhy? have you done it as a plugin? or part of the core?
12:39:00vikI hacked an existing plugin (not part of the distribution); will have a go at cleaning it up first
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12:39:29JdGordonidle-poweroff shouldnt turn it off it a plugin is running...
12:39:57JdGordonshouldnt as in logically shouldnt.. not code-wisely..
12:39:58vikmodified http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2021/edit to work on iriver; will have a go at making it work for any device with an RTC
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12:42:51vikWhen does idle poweroff occur normally? when stopped, paused?
12:43:10JdGordonwhen stopped or paused i tinhk
12:43:37oboSlasheri: could you add in include for config.h to thread.h?
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12:44:27vikwhen I get it done, what is the submission process?
12:45:31JdGordonvik: submit the patch.. wait.. nag people here.. rinse, repeat...
12:46:51Bagdera good idea is also to mention it in the forum or something to get people to test it
12:47:19safetydanAnyone know what's going on with the forums?
12:47:43vikwhat would you want out of an alarm? main feature I can think of is ability to ramp up the volume, and snooze
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12:48:22JdGordonstart playing the playlist, set volume to the requested volume then quit...
12:48:34JdGordonor ye, snooze would be better than quit...
12:49:16*JdGordon will gladly help test this plugin... im fed up with using my stereo as a alarm
12:49:29webguest37is it possible open a txt file using the viewer without going to viewer plugin ?
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12:49:46JdGordonno?
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12:50:28safetydanwebguest37, not quite sure what you're on about. Do you mean selecting a text file in the file browser?
12:50:50vikthe way it works atm is you start playing a song/playlist/whatever, then go into the plugin, which pauses playback until the alarm ticks over; then resumes.
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12:51:38vikOnly thing is it doesn't go back to the wps during playback. Though that's probably no major issue
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12:52:17JdGordonvik, can i request you do it as a "viewer" plugin, which means you assosiate it with a file extension, so you can have a file monday..alm which, when opened will start the alarm plugin automatically and the settings can all be loaded?
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12:52:39vikthat sounds nice
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12:53:20JdGordonthe only thing that needs to be changed is the void* parameter in plugin_entry will be the opened filename, and it needs to be added to viewers.config
12:53:22vikoriginal plugin for archos gave you three different presets for three different Function keys.
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12:54:19JdGordonthat sux :D
12:56:16vikparticularly if your player lacks function keys
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13:00:31webguest37safetydan: if I open a txt file in the browser, will i still be able to use bookmarks ?
13:00:57safetydanwebguest37, I'd say so
13:01:06safetydanthought JdGordon should be able to answer that better
13:01:10safetydanthough even
13:01:31JdGordonwebguest37: what browser?
13:01:51JdGordonand which bookmarks?
13:02:04JdGordonbookamrks in viewer.rock are not the same as the mp3 bookmarks..
13:02:06safetydanJdGordon, file browser and text viewer bookmarks
13:02:36JdGordonoh, same set of bookmarks... last 10 files are remebered, for the moment
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13:02:51ZarakiHey there
13:03:03webguest37ah great thanks, so i can open atxt file in root and use bookmarks
13:03:09JdGordonyes
13:03:20webguest37thank you
13:03:55ZarakiI'm wondering: Would there be interest in making Rockbox compatible with the newer Archos models? e.g., the AV500, 604, 404, and my own Gmini 500?
13:04:48BagderZaraki: clearly very little interest so far
13:05:04Bagdersince it hasn't been done
13:05:44ZarakiYeah, I realize there isn't that much yet. They are becoming more popular though, even if I'm not too sure about the differences between the new 404 and 604 and the AV/Gmini 500.
13:06:11ZarakiThe new models they have are getting some acknowledgement.
13:06:26Bagderwell, there have been many Archos models released since the ones we support
13:06:38Bagderjust no people who want to work on them
13:06:54ZarakiNo kidding, heh. :P Maybe the newest ones will strike?
13:07:08Bagderwe'll see
13:07:14Bagderbut I don't hold my breath
13:07:25ZarakiI just spotted a really nice pic of a Rockboxed iPod today, using a WMP11 interface-lookalike. That's what made me wonder.
13:07:43Bagderports are made by people who own such devices
13:08:14ZarakiThe new models are great - Huge screens, nice batteries, USB Host, TV out, and default with msc AND MTP mode. - I wish I had experience in it all.
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13:11:34ZarakiI'd probably have to check out all the parts inside to even see what there is to worry about, no? I doubt it's just a matter of 'chipset x + chipset y' either.
13:11:58Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
13:12:18Bagderit is not an easy task
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13:16:20ZarakiYeah, especialy on your own, it seems. Besides, I don't have experience in either soldering or asm, and my C experience is limited to Hello World.
13:17:38JdGordondont feel like that... there are other equally important jobs.... someone _has_ to be the one to kleeep nagging about activity and such :D
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13:40:36JdGordonBagder: have you had a look @ my settings and menu patch on the wiki?
13:41:25markunZaraki: do you know archopen.org?
13:42:01webguest26Hi all, since mistic river is offline and the rockbox forum also isn't working here i will ask it here. I have a IRiver H10 and followed the instructions on the site but now it says system file missing. Do they mean the BLH10.rom? that wasn't in the instructions
13:42:30JdGordondid you extract the rockbox.iriver onto the h10?
13:43:04webguest26jup in the root, the root is the firts ''amp'' to come in to when you open the h10 wright?
13:43:12webguest26amp=map
13:43:28Bagderrockbox.h10 iirc
13:43:43JdGordonand i meant to say rockbox.zip not rockbox.iriver
13:44:16webguest26yes it is extracted in the root
13:44:43Zarakimarkun, no, I don't know it.
13:44:58markunZaraki: which player do you have?
13:45:34webguest26must the .rockbox map be in the root or in the system map?
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13:46:28markunwebguest26: just extract the whole zip file to you h10
13:46:34markunyour
13:47:18webguest26just did that, i think i will try it again, first erase verything and then do it again maybe something went worng
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13:48:24ZarakiThe Gmini 500.
13:48:32Zarakimarkun*
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13:49:47webguest26hmmm i think the problem is the bootloader (BL_H10.rom) i can't see to find it anywhere
13:50:50markunZaraki: you can ask in the #archopen channel if anyone is working on support for the 5xx
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14:07:40PaulJamdoes anyone else have the problem, that since the new scheduler was committed, it takes up to 3 seconds until the screen comes up after it was swiched off? this is really annoying.
14:08:48peturnot on my h340
14:09:44*JdGordon hasnt tried it yet
14:10:39*JdGordon lies... i do have cvs on the h300
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14:15:38perplexityOOoo did not notice that commit.. <runs off to update/compile/install>
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14:17:24PaulJamok, the slowness of the screen coming up seems to be caused by the album art.
14:20:41peturamiconn?
14:21:07peturbah, not even in the channel :(
14:21:25eunushi, first i would like to sorry for my english ;p i have a question. Do u know sth about rockbox for h10 jr ? will work start in future?
14:21:49JdGordonh10 jr is the 5/6 gb version yeah?
14:21:55eunusnope
14:22:00eunusjr i 1gb flash
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14:23:33*petur wonders why amiconn configured the isp1362 reset pin as input
14:25:13*petur has a chat with his 1362 chip. It says it's revision 0x30 ;)
14:31:10peturanybody know what irq handlers are installed for iriver h3x0 and where they are?
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14:40:29markunJdGordon: and H10jr has a samsung ARM cpu
14:40:41JdGordonah
14:41:15JdGordonand the other h10's use the pp?
14:41:23markunyes
14:41:43JdGordondont these companies have any buisness seichel? isnt it cheaper for them to just use 1 chipset like ipod? (untill they changed...)
14:42:08perplexitywell, given they are profit driven companies, I'd say not..
14:42:18perplexityotherwise they would stick with the one chipset
14:43:01perplexityRemember, they usually have full documentation, so porting to a new architecture likely does not take that long..
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14:43:27JdGordonbut still.. you'd expect their development tools to cost a fair bit
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14:43:37markunJdGordon: iriver switched to Samsung ARM CPUs for all their new players
14:44:05perplexityDunno.. I think if I went to Samsung and said "I'm gonna buy a million processors, what sort of deal will you do on the dev kit" they'd be pretty willing to listen
14:44:08JdGordonbit odd they went pp first tho...
14:44:19*JdGordon is talking out of his ass atm due to history assignemnt due toroow
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14:45:07JdGordonperplexity: but can regular users buy the chips? I doubt they would get much of a deal, seen as the amount apple would have ordered...
14:45:23JdGordonassuming apple are moving the whole ipoo line to samsung
14:45:38*JdGordon gets back to his assignemnt
14:45:41dongswho what
14:45:42perplexityI suspect you are right, but then most companies don't like to do small sales anyway
14:45:50dongswhy would 'regular users' need to buy the chips
14:46:21JdGordonsmall sales are less than millions of units for these sorts of things...
14:46:25perplexitystudents, hackers, prototypers, small companies doing botique stuff.. loads of reasons
14:47:00dongsgetting small quantity of shit unless its under a sample and/or sample+return program is nearly impossible
14:47:19dongsive been trying to get a ofdm dtv tuner for almost half a year
14:47:24dongsthey dont even care if you pay for it
14:47:35dongsif your order isnt guarnateeing them thousands of sales a month they wont bother talking to you :|
14:47:56perplexitythus my point..
14:48:11JdGordonin that case...
14:48:20*JdGordon conceds victory to perplexity
14:48:38dongsdevkits are fine, but most of the time you have to give them back
14:48:40dongshuhu
14:48:56perplexityit was not a war :) simply a pointer on commercial reality.. :)
14:49:09JdGordoni know..
14:49:39dongsanyone here know anything about i2c
14:50:17peturwhen a company like Samsung wants to take marketshare away from pp, you can be sure it has given them devkits and sample source code, maybe even a reference design for an entire player. I'm sure pp has done the same...
14:50:32peturdongs: a little...
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14:50:45dongspetur: http://timecop.mine.nu/what.jpg is that standard 'read' process for i2c device?
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14:51:10dongsthe 2nd section
14:51:33dongsS|slaveW|regaddr|S|slaveR|data1|data2|etc
14:52:13dongscuz some code i ripped from linux kernel doesnt seem to set R/W bit properly
14:52:14peturlooks standard, yes
14:52:19dongshrm
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14:52:47peturR/W is the lsb of the slave address
14:52:50dongsright
14:52:57dongsthe code i have ripped for read though
14:53:07dongsdoesnt re-send teh address after 1st write, it just 'reads'
14:53:57dongsany i2c shit in rockbox to rip? or do you know of anything less obfuscated than linux kernel's implementation of it?
14:54:18peturhave a look at sw_i2c_read() in firmware/drivers/eeprom_24xx.c
14:54:37peturquite typical transaction
14:54:43dongsok.
14:55:41dongslol.
14:55:47dongsthats like a low level implementation of it.
14:56:12dongsmy microcontroller at least handles timing+etc.
14:56:20peturah..
14:56:22dongsbut yeah i see
14:56:33dongsit does same thing that spec says. in sw_i2c_read
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14:57:13dongsstart, addr + write, regaddr, start, addr + read, and hten keeps reading data
14:57:15dongscool.
14:57:22*dongs rips
14:58:47peturi2c-coldfire.c uses the on-chip i2c controller but that won't be of much use as it's probably done differently on other microcontrollers anyway
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14:59:20dongsya thats ugly
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15:00:03dongsthe other one is fine. i can just substitute some functions with my controller-specific stuff from eeprom_24
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15:30:51dionoeahum, any idea why the H10 column doesn't work as expected on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/fresh/Main/PluginIndex ? (i just added it)
15:32:12Mikachumaybe you need to add it to each individual plugin page too
15:32:40Mikachuthe list at the end of for example http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginVUMeter looks like it has something to do with it
15:32:40dionoeawell i only added it to those which i know to work (basically Rockpaint)
15:32:59Mikachuah well i don't really know how it works, just looked at it now
15:33:00dionoeaif it doesn't find the name it should leave the column empty, no add "0 check"
15:33:11dionoeakind of weird
15:33:25peturthere may also be some caching involved - give it some time...
15:33:44dionoeai get it
15:33:49dionoeaH100 matches on H10
15:34:03dionoeai'll change the regex
15:34:05Mikachuah, so just add a \>
15:34:36dionoeanow it looks better :)
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15:43:19dongsok hrm time to see if it works
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16:02:37dongswow i think it worked.
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16:14:15JdGordonhey PaulJam
16:14:23JdGordoni just fixed one of your viewer bugs
16:15:05PaulJamnice. thanks
16:16:34dongsor not.
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16:19:12PaulJamJdGordon: the pausing of the music still happens on a h300, but this is with a patched build. But now that bookmarks are implemented it isn't that important.
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16:19:24JdGordon:)
16:19:41JdGordondoes the patched build have the new schedular in it?
16:20:49PaulJamyes
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16:21:17webguest49test
16:21:20JdGordonok, ill add a yeild in then. wont solve the problem but should make it a bit better
16:22:24webguest49is misticriver down for anyone else?!
16:22:33JdGordonno, only you
16:22:40PaulJami can't acess it either
16:22:49Rondomyep
16:22:53JdGordon... or spoil my fun...
16:24:21webguest49aww. Ok thanks
16:24:25SoapDoes the new schedular prevent swcodec skipping at the expense of UI responsiveness? As in...when scrolling (ipod 5g) through a long list I used to get playback skips. Now I won't get playback skips, but I assume the UI will lag?
16:24:38webguest49Oh ok guys, thanks alot
16:25:02JdGordonSoap: i believe thats how its supposed to work
16:25:02webguest49Yea some fun? Not really that funny
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16:25:15JdGordonPaulJam: can u test a quick patch to see if the skipping stops?
16:25:53PaulJamyes
16:26:09JdGordonpatch or compiled rock?
16:26:33PaulJampatch would be better
16:26:54JdGordonhttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qNTKi732.html
16:27:10JdGordonvery simple band-aid fix
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16:34:31PaulJamJdGordon: that fixes it.
16:34:53JdGordonPaulJam: it doesnt make the list feel sluggish or anything?
16:37:18JdGordon5....
16:37:22JdGordon4.....
16:37:26JdGordon3.......
16:37:30JdGordon2.........
16:37:35JdGordon1...........
16:37:42JdGordoncommitintg.........
16:39:25PaulJamthe scrolling hangs sometimes for a very short amount of time, but it is imo better than stopping audio.
16:39:34JdGordon:)
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16:42:12jhMikeSJdGordon: When are those changes to the settings going to be permanent?
16:42:36JdGordonwhich settings are you talking about?
16:42:42JdGordonthe big patch on the wiki?
16:42:48jhMikeSJdGordon: yes
16:42:58JdGordonah, not for quite some time i would guess..
16:43:07JdGordonim probably not even half way finished yet :'(
16:43:51jhMikeShmmm...so I should just continue along the old way? was wondering cause I'm adding stuff and the old way will conflict on spots
16:44:23JdGordoni guess so... I havnt had much feedback, so i dont even know if it will get commited when its done
16:44:49JdGordonif your keen you could do both and send me a diff for the new stuff :)
16:45:34*jhMikeS is wonder if he should commit a change to add .5fps (1/1) and 2fps (1/4) for the x5 lcd on slow CPU speed.
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16:46:48jhMikeSI can give you the diff with the old methods used and you can resync it. :)
16:46:59JdGordonthat would work also
16:47:14jhMikeS..not yet though...still some time before "the whopper" is done.
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16:48:21JdGordonbed time for me.. cyaz
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16:52:40Febs<Soap> Does the new schedular prevent swcodec skipping at the expense of UI responsiveness?
16:53:04FebsSoap, yes. The UI lags quite a bit while music is playing.
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16:54:53leftrightSlasheri: There's an interesting bug report #5966, tagcache issue which the users resolved, but perhaps the scan should ignore mp3 files of 00:00 length
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17:00:31Slasherileftright: hmm, in fact that is caused by the metadata parser and not tagcache itself
17:01:08Slasheriand since metadata is needed to know song length, we can't really skip those files.. a test file would be needed to make it crash on simulator and then fix the metadata parser
17:01:16leftrightoh i see, but it does impact tagcahes scan negatively, just thought I'd mention it
17:01:38pagefaulthah thats the last time I use winrar to extract rockbox directly to my device
17:01:52pagefaultwouldn't boot my device
17:01:56Slasheriwith that kind of bug, it would be very useful to provide a test file which crashes the unit
17:02:13Slasherithat way the problem could be solved fast and permanently
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17:02:33Ed__aloha :)
17:03:02leftrightwell according to the bug report its a mp3 file which has the file length time stored as zero due to xing heaers, but I'm no expert at this
17:03:34Slasheritrue.. maybe i will try to generate such a file myself :)
17:04:00Slasheribut it would be always easier with a test file from user
17:04:44leftrightno doubt, but how to get hold of those guys, smoke signals :)
17:07:46oboSlasheri: any chance you could add an include for config.h to thread.h?
17:08:08Slasheriobo: ah, yes. i will check that soon
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17:10:25Slasheriobo: done
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17:10:30obothanks :)
17:10:33Slasheri:)
17:11:04Ed__i've just installed rockbox on my h340
17:11:38Ed__i started sudoku, but it somehow failed and now my h340 won't respond to button input
17:11:49Ed__the screen does light up when i press a button
17:12:12SlasheriEd__: there is a reset button
17:12:33Slasheriyou need a paper clip to push it
17:12:47Ed__where? :D
17:12:52nlsheh, I used mine today :-)
17:13:03nlsEd__, small hole below mic
17:13:08Slasherii don't know about h3xx but there should be a tiny hole somewhere
17:13:20Ed__oh yeah :D
17:13:21Ed__thanks
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17:13:41nlsthe audi thread screen didn't like usb
17:14:51nlsSlasheri, I don't know if this has anything to do with the new scheduler but when I updated today I tried to make a little boost percentage test before and after.
17:15:22nlsAnd to mee it seems like the pcm buffer is filled more often.
17:15:49nlsIt never drops below ~400000
17:16:02Slasherinls: yes, i have changed that on purpose
17:16:18Slasheribecause with ipods too low pcm buffer causes buttons unresponsive
17:16:41nlsbut istn't it more efficient to switch cpu frequency less often and do more each time?
17:17:14Slasheriyes, but i think we really need to call it very often to make any measurable difference
17:18:25nlsAnyway, it seems to have dropped bosst by 1% on my q6 ogg/vorbis files :-)
17:18:33nlsboost even
17:18:50Slasherisounds good, i have also measured a 2-3% boost drop with q8 vorbis :)
17:19:49Slasherithe more often task switch happens, the more efficient the new scheduler is
17:21:38Soapso is this going to affect battery life at all?
17:22:40dionoeait's going to affect it since the CPU requires more power when boosted (at least, that's how i understand it)
17:23:37SoapIs boost going to be reduced across the board, or only when performing two tasks (ie playback and WPS / playback and scrolling)?
17:24:26Soap The reason I ask is my recent runtime tests were performed while in the menu, not the WPS, and I'm curious if I need to run them again.
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17:25:11SoapOr will this simply improve real-life battery runtime, and not the theoretical-max runtime numbers my methodology produced.
17:28:55Ed__is it possible to turn off the peak meter
17:28:55Ed__?
17:29:20oboEd__: use a different WPS/theme
17:29:28Ed__thanks :)
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17:33:29quiksilverhello there i am trying to encode a video with subtitles using vlc and it does not seem to work for me could someone take a look at my "messages" (error report)?
17:33:45SlasheriSoap: being in the root menu should in theory improve battery runtime
17:33:57Soapright
17:34:02Slasheriit would be interesting to see if it has any measurable difference
17:34:41*linuxstb examines his new 2nd gen Nano
17:35:39Soapand if I am understanding the scheduler changes correctly being in the root menu under the old scheduler should have rarely switched, thus the new scheduler should show little/no boost decreases in _that_ scenario?
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17:39:22quiksilverhello there i am trying to encode a video with subtitles using vlc and it does not seem to work for me could someone take a look at my "messages" (error report)?
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17:46:09dionoeaquiksilver: sure
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17:46:31ender`quiksilver: VLC is known to have problems with subtitles
17:46:31RaeNyeAloha
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17:47:08quiksilverdionoea: where should i paste my error
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17:47:41dionoeaquiksilver: http://paste.videolan.org for example
17:48:03quiksilverthnaks i just forgot the site
17:48:09quiksilver:D
17:49:02RaeNyejhmikes: are you alive?
17:49:04quiksilverdionoea: done
17:49:57dionoeaare you changing the fps in transcode ?
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17:51:44dionoeaquiksilver: btw, which VLC version are you using ?
17:52:01quiksilver0.85
17:53:42dionoeado the subs work if you just playback the movie?
17:54:04quiksilvernope
17:54:09dionoeasame errors ?
17:54:23quiksilveri played it with wmp and the movie worked but teh subs didnt show up
17:55:32dionoeawell maybe these subs are just broken then
17:55:34amiconndionoea: I have some nice (I hope) changes for solitaire :)
17:55:40dionoeaamiconn: :)
17:55:44dionoeawhat do they do ?
17:56:19amiconnOptimised button assignments for better playability (one-handed etc) for ipod, and some subtle changes for others.
17:57:00amiconnHelp text lisitng all button assignments, with font sensitive layout
17:57:06dionoeadrawing new cards was hard one handed :)
17:57:44amiconnI wonder whether I should also tackle the other "todo" - use the standard rockbox menu
17:58:03dionoeayou could ... shouldn't be too hard
17:58:29amiconnYeah, there's one special case - the "draw one" / "draw three" item
17:58:42dionoeathat's why i didn't do it myself in fact :)
17:59:16amiconnBut there's another place in rockbox that already uses a dynamic menu item - the fm radio menu
17:59:53dionoeai tried using the addmenu item / delete menu item stuff ... i think that it kind of worked. But i still had odd bugs lying arround
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18:00:00amiconnMy help text layout function also reuses ideas from the core (from slpasl())
18:00:12amiconn*splash()
18:00:22jhMikeSRaeNye: *checking pulse*
18:00:51*jhMikeS is fairly sure now
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18:01:40dionoeaamiconn: dionoea/solitaire.c.old">http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/solitaire.c.old if you want something that almost works for the menus (i'm not sure if it compiled anymore)
18:03:02RaeNyejhmikes: I saw your remote-lcd commit earlier, and wondered why you didn't use lcd_remote_powersave() that was defined earlier in the file
18:03:08amiconnI am also thinking about using one single native bitmap (part of a single "master" cards bitmap) for each card
18:03:13dionoeaamiconn: hum ... in fact maybe it didn't work at all
18:03:39dionoeaamiconn: to use nice looking cards on big screens ?
18:03:51amiconnThat would enable really nice colour card bitmaps, especially for large screens
18:04:23amiconn..and it would simplify drawing.
18:05:30amiconnIt would also simplify adding more different card sizes for various LCDs
18:05:52linuxstbSeems that Apple have encrypted the firmware in the new Nano... :(
18:06:08amiconnAn example is the H10 5GB LCD (128x128). Solitaire works, but looks really squeezed
18:06:31RaeNyelinuxstb: maybe it's the same as mi4 encryption?
18:06:43linuxstbAll the key combinations (reset, disk mode, diagnostics mode) work, with the interesting addition of a "record via line-in" and "play recorded wav" options...
18:06:49dionoeaamiconn: that'd be nice. I downloaded some small cards this summer: dionoea/cards/">http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/cards/
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18:07:17dionoeaamiconn: i'm not sure if they'll display fine on small screens ... might work for stuff like ipod video
18:07:18jhMikeSRaeNye: Separate purpose I guess. Thought about it but thought powersave should be used just for that
18:08:03Gatechy26any info available on why the forums are down?
18:08:09jhMikeSamiconn: we got remote ticking on the x5 with boost big time
18:08:24amiconnOh?
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18:08:35*amiconn didn't notice any ticking on X5 so far
18:08:41jhMikeSListen to quiet classical music it's obvious
18:09:09amiconndionoea: 43x64 is too big even for ipod video
18:09:37amiconnHmm, perhaps not... needs testing
18:10:10jhMikeSWhile listening, do some scrolling. Set the boost counter up to be sure.
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18:10:39linuxstbThe format of the boot partition seems to be very similar to the earlier ipods, but the images are labeled "ososNAND" instead of "ososATA!". One of the images in the boot partition is labeled "rsrcNAND" and is an image of a FAT16 filesystem containing XML files and WAV voice clips which seem to the be the Nike feature. I'm guessing the 1st generation Nano 1.2 firmware also has that, which is why installing the Rockbox bootloader breaks
18:10:40linuxstbthat version of the Apple firmware.
18:11:04dionoeaamiconn: yeah, it's a bit too big ... but it could maybe work using a little scalling
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18:12:27RaeNyejhmikes: ticks also w/o boost when doing FM radio
18:13:22dionoealinuxstb: did you buy a new nano ?
18:13:59linuxstbdionoea: I'm afraid I did... Saw one in my local electronics shop and couldn't resist.
18:14:09dionoea:)
18:14:25dionoeadid you already take it appart ?
18:14:40linuxstbNo, there's no point...
18:14:44jhMikeSRaeNye: I haven't tried that yet. Wierd.
18:14:46linuxstbAt this stage, anyway.
18:14:55*RaeNye likes the idea of buying new HW just to disassemble it
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18:16:02RaeNyejhmikes: there's a message I wrote on the forums with more info, see that when they're up again
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18:16:30RaeNyeBTW, I tried the new coldfire IDCT patch and it's quite impressive - it does almost 23 fps
18:16:41jhMikeSRaeNye: I think I responded. I mentioned that the radio is still passthrough too for listening.
18:17:21RaeNyewas it related to the ticking issue?
18:17:24*jhMikeS isn't hearning the ticks on FM and is listening now.
18:17:51RaeNyestay in the FM screen, not in some context menu
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18:18:10RaeNyeI can hear it clearly in a classical music station
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18:18:44jhMikeSRaeNye: You mention the radio used to be pass-through and it could have to do with the FM Radio recording. But nothing's changed when listening only.
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18:20:28Evaso2hi guys there ara some presets for eq for default ipod nano headphones
18:20:40jhMikeSNow I hear it...it's bad especially for weaker stations.
18:22:46amiconnMany targets have that problem... the radio screen used to have screen freeze; I wonder where that's gone
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18:23:17RaeNyegrr arg
18:24:20Evaso2any starting point for eq preset?
18:24:54jhMikeSRaeNye: Yeah, I hear the ticks on FM esp. on weaker stations
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18:26:10amiconnI wonder whether silencing /CS will be enough - that alone solved ticking on the H300
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18:28:42jhMikeSamiconn: no delays everywhere...that would be nice...
18:28:50amiconnUnfortunately there's not much room for doing what we do to reduce ticking on the H1x0. If silencing /CS doesn't help, we have to live with the ticking, or freeze the screen
18:29:34jhMikeSwhich file handles H300 remote?
18:29:40amiconnOn H1x0 we delay the transfers when "ticking reduction" is enabled
18:29:43amiconnlcd-h100-remote.c
18:29:52jhMikeSfor H300?
18:29:52amiconnIt's the same LCD
18:29:56jhMikeSok
18:30:43amiconnYou can ignore the HAVE_REMOTE_LCD_TICKING parts - they deal with the delay thing
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18:31:00amiconnThe /CS silencing is independent from that
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18:32:24jhMikeSguess I can just copy that stuff over and see if it helps
18:33:04tongashi all, what has become of the rockbox forum ?!
18:33:35jhMikeSIt makes a definite pitch with a framerate test.
18:33:43jhMikeSSame pitch as fr
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18:35:12RaeNyejhmikes: while we're at it, when you switch between fm presets via remote, does it skip 2 presets for you as well?
18:35:24amiconnUgh...
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18:35:37jhMikeSRayNye: hmmm...never tried it
18:35:46amiconnCalling the recording screen from the fm radio context menu caused a hard freeze...
18:35:47*jhMikeS is not a big remote user
18:35:59jhMikeSamiconn: I know...it used to work ok
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18:36:24webguest76hi every one
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18:37:06RaeNyesee ya all
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18:39:55jhMikeSamiconn: where is remote_tick implemented for the x5?
18:40:27jhMikeSeh....searching....
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18:47:22Soaptongas - it is hosted by misticriver, which is also down.
18:47:59jhMikeSthink I got it put in there...
18:48:16tongasSoap: thank you !
18:48:26tongaswhat' sthe pb?
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19:04:18webguest96hey anyone here?
19:04:25jhMikeSyep
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19:04:45webguest96is it a coincidence that I can't reach misticriver or the rockbox forums at all?
19:04:55preglowthe rockbox forums are hosted by misticriver
19:05:06webguest96thats what i meant if misticriver is down
19:05:12preglowyup
19:05:16preglowso no coincidence
19:05:16jhMikeStick...tick...tickety tick
19:05:29webguest96jeff said what it is yet?
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19:08:41vertic23hehe nice try :P
19:08:50vertic2317-0907:17:53 -Maoma:#rockbox- Somebody has sent you a message, to read it type: /server read 1
19:08:55crwleh, right
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19:09:23vertic23h4x0r, right?
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19:11:22Ricksomeone ban him
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19:11:49PaulJamwhat would happen if someone would type this?
19:11:59crwlcould depend on the client
19:11:59Rick/server is the command to connect to a server
19:12:02Rickmost of the time
19:12:09Rickso basically, it's tricking people into quitting
19:12:29Rickwhich leads to: Maoma needs to be banned + removed from the channel :P
19:12:31crwli don't think anything would happen in weechat (which i use) because i don't have server named "read" configured
19:12:51Soapnot much point banning him, as he's on Tor.
19:12:57Mode"#rockbox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
19:13:09Kick(#rockbox Maoma :preglow) by preglow!n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow
19:13:10Rickban tor then
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19:14:02Rickyeah
19:14:03Rickban tor
19:14:06Rickhe's the only tor user here
19:14:11Rickor mute him
19:14:22Mode"#rockbox +b %*!*@gateway/tor/* " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow)
19:14:33preglowif i remember the syntax correctly, that's what i just did
19:14:37Rick:)
19:14:47Soaphe's still here, and still on Tor.
19:14:54Rickonly now he can't talk
19:14:55Rick:D
19:15:22Soapahh
19:17:26RickSo uh... what's the topic talking about?
19:17:26Rickhehe
19:18:19preglowgod knows
19:18:25preglowwouldn't hosting our own forums be a nice idea?
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19:18:33preglowmistic seems to be more often down than our site is
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19:19:11RickI thought we did have our own forums
19:19:13Rickin the past anyway
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19:19:40newbyx86That was cool.
19:20:06newbyx86Stupid Maoma.
19:20:32*Rick nods
19:20:35Rickhe has been muted :)
19:20:36newbyx86I fell for it too.
19:20:36newbyx86:/
19:20:40newbyx86(That's the worst part I think.)
19:20:41preglowhahahah
19:20:48Rickyeah, most people won't realize what it'll do
19:20:48preglownever execute commands strangers give you
19:20:50newbyx86I've ran IRC leafs and networks before.
19:20:54Rickhehe
19:20:55newbyx86And I fell for that.
19:20:56newbyx86:|
19:20:59preglownewbyx86: haha, that should hurt
19:21:02newbyx86Yeah.
19:21:03*Rick gives newbyx86 a cookie
19:21:04newbyx86I forgot what /server did.
19:21:05newbyx86lol
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19:21:54preglowthere you go
19:21:56jhMikeSsomeone botched playback.c and now recording hangs from the recording menu on the FM menu
19:22:01newbyx86Hehe.
19:22:02newbyx86Hooray.
19:22:19preglowjhMikeS: probably slasheri/pondlife
19:23:04jhMikeS>:-{
19:23:47preglowtry reverting it and see if it's fixed
19:23:51jhMikeSwonder if recording works at all now
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19:25:26jhMikeSrecording is f**cked totally
19:25:40preglowthen revert the pach
19:25:41preglowpatch
19:25:50preglowif that is the cause
19:25:54jhMikeSbetter make sure I do a full updates first
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19:29:46vertic23...why banning tor - ban the ident...
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19:31:15jhMikeSnope...still screwed
19:31:26Soaphow reliable is the ident?
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19:32:55Soapfwiw
19:32:56Soap[2006-09-15 09:53:33] * Bagder changes topic to 'How hard can it be?'
19:33:06Soap(GMT-5 timestamp)
19:33:07SamAdamsOh someone pls help this noob...I've been at it for HOURS trying to get the bootloader working on my iRiver h10 5GB without sucess (I don't think the instructions were correct :( )
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19:33:38donutare the forums down for anyone else?
19:33:40jhMikeSpreglow: dumb question ... how do you revert a patch anyway?
19:33:52jhMikeSor a commit rather
19:33:52Rickdepends on how it was applied
19:34:12SamAdamsFYI: 1) I just starting using my iRiver since it finally started working with WMP v11 after a clean install since the product first came out :P 2) I started with original firmware v1.0, then I did the following...
19:35:08SamAdamsFirst 1) downloaded the firmware v1.66 from rockbox.org, 2) dloaded patcher from rockbox.org and patched it
19:35:35SamAdams3) finally figured out how to load up in UMS mode (which was frustrating and needs to be added to the instructions :) )
19:35:36jhMikeSthe fix to voice bugs was simple...don't send voice messages if it's not the current codec...no hangs them
19:36:11SamAdams4) copied the patched hex file to main root
19:36:34SamAdams5) safely disconnected from USB and then rebooted iRiver
19:37:07SamAdams6) found the "setting" menu with my "joystick", which I assume means the dial pad...
19:37:38SamAdams7) there was NO "general" tab to upgrade my firmware...couldn't find this option in ANY submenu.....so I'm stuck....help pretty pls?
19:37:41linuxstbSamAdams: I think you're following the instructions for the H1x0 or H3x0, not the H10...
19:37:53SamAdamsoh no
19:38:01SamAdamsI thought the H100 was the name for the H10
19:38:15nlsSamAdams, look here http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/
19:38:20SamAdamsI have the 5-6GB h10 model
19:38:48linuxstbSamAdams: Here are the H10 instructions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10Port#Installation_Instructions
19:38:57SamAdamscool :) ty so much rofl...I'll get back to you if I need more help :) ty ty ty :) I was thinking H100 stood for all H10 products (like the H110 and H120)
19:39:16SamAdamsty again :)
19:39:31linuxstbThe H110/H120/H140 are completely different players to the H10 series.
19:40:09SamAdamsouch...wish I understood that lol...as you can see...this is my first time with this player :) ty!
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19:40:52donutCan anyone else not get onto the forums?
19:41:09nlsther'e down
19:41:20donutoh good, its not my ISP screwing up again
19:41:21donutlol
19:42:41*linuxstb looks around for someone with decryption skills...
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19:49:33SamAdamsuh-oh
19:49:40SamAdamsI must have done something
19:50:28SamAdamsI followed the H10 directions (which were really easy lol :) ) and then after safely disconnecting, it says "System Files Missing" To restore the system files, connect H10 to recovery tool. www.iriver.com
19:51:17SamAdamsbtw, since I couldn't find the general tab in settings, I updated to the latest firmware before I followed the H10 directions :( is that what did it? or...maybe copying the .hex file to the main root per the 110 directions?
19:51:47linuxstbCopying the .hex file shouldn't have harmed anything - your h10 firmware would just ignore it.
19:52:17SamAdamsdoes the rockbox procedure still work with the latest firmware from iRiver?
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19:52:26linuxstbCan you copy back the original .mi4 file from the System directory?
19:52:33SamAdamslet me check
19:54:23SamAdamsyes, and strangly, the original is like 4.5 megs and the one I created and copied over was 56k
19:55:22linuxstbThat's fine - the 58k file is just the Rockbox bootloader. You will also need to download Rockbox itself from http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml and unzip that zip file to the root of your H10.
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19:55:49linuxstbBut at the moment your problem is that your iriver isn't accepting the Rockbox bootloader.
19:55:54SamAdamsI did that
19:56:13SamAdamsand the restored file now boots the system with v2.51 PFD firmware
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19:57:46linuxstbWhat's the name of the original .mi4 file?
19:57:53SamAdamsmaye I forgot to delete the original rockbox folder? I will delete it and try again
19:57:57SamAdamslet me check
19:58:15SamAdamsH10.mi4
19:58:49linuxstbAnd you downloaded this H10.mi4? http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10_5GB-MTP/H10.mi4
19:59:17SamAdamsactually, I used the one in the main root since it was named the same with the same size...mistake?
19:59:28SamAdamsthought they were the same
19:59:37linuxstbI've no idea...
19:59:40SamAdamsI'
19:59:45SamAdamsl'll try that one :)
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20:00:47SamAdamsand I'm supposed to replace the 4.5 mb one in the system directory with the 56k one?
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20:01:36nlsyes, but sav a backup
20:01:41SamAdamsk
20:01:41nlssave even
20:01:50mr_fiskhas anyone had the chance to try rockbox with the new version of the nano?
20:02:13linuxstbmr_fisk: Yes, it won't work.
20:02:25linuxstbIt's basically a brand new player.
20:02:30mr_fiskdamn
20:02:59SamAdamsawesome :) it works but
20:03:21SamAdamsmy battery has a full charge (according to the original software) and this thing is saying my battery is dead and shutting down lol
20:03:38SamAdamswait a sec
20:03:53SamAdamsnvm
20:03:57linuxstbDid you download and unzip the main rockbox.zip file?
20:04:07SamAdamsit is working :) battery icon is charging up
20:04:18SamAdamsand I just wasn't used to the screen going off that fast
20:05:44linuxstbYes, the 4-second default backlight timeout...
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20:08:54webguest81hey there
20:08:59SamAdamswill it still sync with WMP using RockBox?
20:09:19webguest81how come the forum is down?
20:09:48linuxstbSamAdams: I've no idea... The H10 owners don't seem to be around at the moment.
20:09:49PaulJamSamAdams: no, you can just drag and drop the files on the player.
20:10:03SamAdamscool
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20:10:26PaulJamcan the h10 dual boot?
20:10:36linuxstbNot yet.
20:11:02SamAdamsbtw, the old way...it wouldn't maintain the original file order of the CD which I hated...even though they were properly ripped with the number off the CD...but it would skip the 1. , 2., 3., etc and read the first letter of the song...will this new version of RockBox fix that for me?
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20:12:06linuxstbSamAdams: Yes, if you name your tracks "NN-Trackname.mp3", then Rockbox's file browser will work as you expect.
20:12:12vertic23is it still possible to store data from my Canon 800 IS onto the iAUDiO X5V with rockbox?
20:12:21vertic23or.. is it possible at all?
20:12:22SamAdamssweet ty
20:12:29Bagdervertic23: no, boot the OF to do that
20:12:49vertic23...what do I have to do to boot the OF?
20:13:05vertic23hopefully not by using a pc
20:13:27Bagderuse the dual-boot bootloader that allows you to boot OF or Rockbox
20:13:39vertic23wow, that's nice..
20:13:42webguest81is it normal behaviour that an iPod Nano with latest rockbox installed switches back the apple os when recharging? when unplugging the nano, the player says it's low on battery and a reboot is required to get rockbox back on. is this corret?
20:13:43Bagderunfortunately still not in CVS
20:13:53SamAdamsAlso, the only reason I did this was so I could use Lossless FLAC files :) am I all setup to go there? do I need to dload additional codecs? Lastly, what is the best/most popular/easiest ripping tool for FLAC for my CDs?
20:14:01vertic23hmm... ok, then you might have to help me
20:14:25linuxstbSamAdams: What do you want, the best, the most popular, or the easiest?
20:14:25Bagderno can do that now, I'm off. bbl
20:14:47SamAdamsouch...was hoping was the same... 1) easiest 2) best
20:15:08Captain_Abadger are you still there?
20:15:16linuxstbSamAdams: Are you running Windows?
20:15:18vertic23hehe, first I need to have that player :P
20:15:20Ed__webguest81: same with iriver h340
20:15:40SamAdamsyes, XP
20:15:43vertic23how much does a cable cost which I need for "USB on the go"?
20:15:44Doomedcongrats on the H10 build, i put it on the other night
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20:16:20vertic23or don't I need mini usb to mini usb plug for that
20:16:24linuxstbSamAdams: EAC is generally considered the best CD ripper for Windows. There are plenty of tutorials around - just google for EAC and FLAC.
20:16:44SamAdamssweet :) ty!
20:16:54webguest81Ed__: so that's normal behaviour, nothing to worry about?
20:17:06Doomedi was suprised how flac sounds, but too bad theres not enough space for it all
20:17:13Ed__webguest81: i guess so - it's only my first day as a rockbox user ;0
20:17:14Ed__;)
20:17:15linuxstbSamAdams: When it comes to configuring the FLAC encoder, add the option "−−seekpoint=1s" - that will add seekpoints with 1-second accuracy to the files. These are very useful with Rockbox.
20:17:47SamAdamsyou mean with EAC right? not in rockbox?
20:18:13webguest81Ed__: same here, and I'm totally amazed, explorer drag and drop and ogg playback just made my day. finishing up a paypal as soon as possible. these guys deserve it :)
20:18:21SamAdamsyeah, of course..lol encoder not decoder :)
20:18:28SamAdamsty linuxstb
20:18:58Ed__webguest81: they sure do
20:19:15Ed__iriver already supports ogg, but it's the only reason i once bought the iriver
20:20:01Ed__i would like to donate as well, but it's paypal
20:20:13webguest81Ed__: yep, it was a close race, iriver or ipod, finally I liked that design a little better and now it even works so great
20:20:28Ed__i like the sudoku :D
20:20:34webguest81Ed__: so where's the problem? I'm using it for ebay already.
20:20:44Doomedugh now iriver is going to shit and gonna make me buy an ipod for rockbox
20:20:57webguest81Ed__: try "starfield" brings back win 3.11 memories :)
20:21:06Ed__webguest81: indeed :D
20:21:22Ed__well, you need a credit card
20:21:40Ed__and credit cards aren't really used a lot over here (here == netherlands)
20:21:51Ed__everybody just makes bank account transactions
20:22:05webguest81over here ( = germany) it's possible with exactly that, weird
20:22:12vertic23has anyone more detailed info about the dual-boot loader which can boot the original firmware on my X5V? quote: "The current bootloader is not prepared to coexist with the original firmware. It replaces the original firmware." ( http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot#Status )
20:23:42Doomedthat uses mi4 or w/e?
20:24:09linuxstbvertic23: I think the Information you need is in the (currently unavailable) Rockbox forums...
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20:24:53vertic23I see..
20:26:48webguest81alright, I'm gone, have a nice evening and keep on rockin' my iPod :)
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20:31:20SamAdamscan the FreeDB option "spy" on my habits?
20:34:34doomed_if i patch the cvs, i can update it with update cvs -dP
20:34:36doomed_right>
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20:37:01linuxstbdoomed_: Yes - with "cvs update -dP"
20:37:17doomed_kk
20:37:19doomed_thnx
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20:44:12SoapSamAdams - no
20:44:19Soapthere is no tracking.
20:44:58dionoeathat's what they tell you :)
20:45:06dionoeaConspirarcy theory everywhere!
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20:46:34Soapwell, obviously they _could_ spy on your habits, as you are sending their database a query, and they have to send the result back to your IP address, but...
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20:47:25michaelconnerhi −− am I going mad or is there an ABX test plugin for rockbox? (yes, I know I can do it in foobar)
20:47:48Captain_Ahey soap
20:47:51Captain_Ahow are you
20:47:54Captain_Awoh
20:48:03Captain_Aforum switched ?
20:48:05linuxstbmichaelconner: I don't know if you're going mad, but there's no ABX test plugin in Rockbox.
20:48:24michaelconnerlinuxstb: heheh, thanks
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20:48:50SoapI wish my ipod battery would die. The original firmware just won't die.
20:49:04linuxstbIs that your latest runtime test?
20:49:39Soapyeah
20:49:51doomed_u cant get into rockbox
20:50:00linuxstbSoap: What's it up to now?
20:50:01doomed_or do u want to delete the original firmware
20:50:17SamAdamsThank you Soap...nothing to hide..but its the principle lol
20:50:28Soaporiginal firmware is @ 16 hours and counting. LAME -aps
20:50:38doomed_o ur doing tests
20:50:38doomed_nvm
20:51:26Captain_Aanyone know whats up with the forums?
20:52:03SamAdamsLinuxstb: I've been searching EAC for where to enter that option... −−seekpoint=1s ... could you help me out a little? I've been staring at this screen so long I have a heaache and would like to skip reading anymore tutorials today :)
20:52:40SoapSamAdams - you would enter it in the flac command line options
20:52:53linuxstbSorry, I don't use EAC (or Windows). You need someone like Soap to help.... :)
20:53:35SoapWhat version of EAC did you install?
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20:54:05SamAdamsv0.95
20:54:06Soap0.9b4 is (arguably) the peak.
20:54:08SamAdamsbeta 4
20:56:00*jhMikeS fixed the SWCODEC recording :-))
20:56:17SoapEAC (menu)−−>Drive Options−−>Extraction Method−−>Check "Secure Mode" "Drive has accurate Stream" and "drive caches audio data"
20:56:51Captain_Aso it is just my computer that is messing up the forums?
20:57:34SoapEAC (menu)−−>Compression options−−>External Compression−−>check "Use External Program For Compression"
20:57:41SamAdamsSoap: Okay...that is selected but not the C2 option...is that what "−−seekpoint=1s would have done?
20:58:37SamAdamsk, that is selected too, but it points to Lame for mp3s
20:58:58SamAdamswhich I installed at the same time
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21:00:11SoapParameter Passing scheme −−>Select your FLAC encoder, or "User Defined Encoder"
21:00:12SamAdamsCaptain_A I think the forums are down for everyone :(
21:00:21Captain_Aalright thanks
21:00:52Soap"Additional command line options" is where you put your FLAC command line arguments.
21:01:36Soap(the whole drive options bit was off topic, but you should rip in secure mode, not burst.)
21:03:37SamAdamscool...
21:03:50SamAdamsmy command lines already read %l−−alt-preset 128%l%h−−alt-preset standard%h %s %d
21:03:58SamAdamswhere should I insert the other?
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21:04:13Soapyou /should/ also EAC(menu)−−>EAC Options−−>Interface−−>check "install external ASPI interface", and place a copy (google) of Nero ASPI layer DLL in you EAC program folder.
21:04:17Soapmuch more reliable.
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21:04:42Soap−−alt-preset standard is not a FLAC option, it is a LAME option.
21:05:19SamAdamsthen I can't find the line command option for the FLAC encoder itself :(
21:05:19Soapread your FLAC encoder docs, and determine what compression level you want.
21:06:02SamAdamsis that what that line command is for? compression level?
21:06:12Soaphttp://www.saunalahti.fi/cse/EAC/index.html
21:06:18linuxstbI just use "flac -8 −−seekpoint=1s file.wav" - but you may need extra options to write the tag info in the file.
21:06:23Learsoap: I've never used ASPI layer with EAC... In what way is it better?
21:06:42SoapLear - more reliable, fails much less often on problem discs.
21:06:56Soaps/reliable/robust
21:07:02LearFails as in rip errors?
21:07:02SamAdamsi see :)
21:07:12SoapSamAdams - in that link, photo 2, item 5
21:07:20LearMostly have good discs, but there was one I had to use PlexTools on...
21:07:27SamAdamsthank you SO much linuxstb and Soap...you saved my eyes and headache today ;)
21:08:36linuxstbSamAdams: Add "-8 −−seekpoint=1s" (the -8 gives you maximum compression - the default is -5) to the options in that link Soap gave you.
21:08:56linuxstb(add them to the start of the line)
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21:16:47SamAdamssweet...you guys rock :) ty ty ty
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21:17:26SamAdamsbtw, last question lol..is there a way to add a FLAC icon to the left on EAC Soap? So I can just hit that instead of going through the menus?
21:17:37SamAdamsthere is an mp3 icon so I was hoping so
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21:19:41Learsamadams: the mp3 icon is for compressed rips, regardless of compressor used.
21:19:54linuxstbSoap: Which version of the Apple firmware are you testing? Have you upgraded your 5g to the latest?
21:21:01SamAdamsi see
21:21:23SamAdamsI just realized it is ripping in mp3...how do I setup the default for the FLAC codec rip?
21:24:29SamAdamsI think I understand...I need to dload the Flac codec still...was thinking EAC was specifically for FLAC with MP3 secondary option...I misunderstood
21:25:54nudelynhttp://www.saunalahti.fi/cse/EAC/index.html
21:26:25nudelyn(has FLAC too)
21:27:30SamAdamsI see...ty so much...ty you all VERY much :) I have to reboot for the flac codec now so I just wanted to say ty again :) You guys take care!
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21:29:52FebsHe has to "reboot for the flac codec"?
21:29:59dionoeayeah, windows :)
21:30:05*linuxstb was wondering why as well...
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21:30:50linuxstbAny Nano owners around willing to help me test a theory about why version 1.2 of the Apple firmware doesn't work with Rockbox?
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21:31:29linuxstbI basically just need a copy of the v1.2 Nano firmware partition image...
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21:32:57preglowlinuxstb: not having touched retailos since i bought mine, i guess i'm not of much help here
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21:34:42nooobhey. installed rockbox on an ipod nano. works great. i'm interested in video functionality. I see that there is an mpegplayer. It works but there is no sound. What other are available?
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21:35:23nooobDo I have other options?
21:35:34dionoeano
21:35:39dionoeayou will in the future :)
21:35:53linuxstbipodlinux have two different video players for the Nano.
21:36:00dionoeanooob: do you know what version of the apple firmware you had on your nano ? 1.2 ?
21:36:14nooob1.2 yes.
21:36:34dionoeanooob: linuxstb was just looking for a 1.2 image :)
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21:37:11linuxstbnooob: Have you tested the Apple firmware since you installed Rockbox?
21:37:12nooobwell. with or without rockbox?
21:37:47noooblinuxstb: yes. i can boot into both.
21:38:10linuxstbI mean have you tried playing music in the Apple firmware?
21:38:59nooobafter installing rockbox? no... gotta try... why is there a problem?
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21:40:33linuxstbnooob: Yes, everyone reports that v1.2 firmware doesn't find any music after Rockbox is installed. Restoring your original bootpartition.bin will fix everything (but lose Rockbox).
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21:42:12webguest25forums offline?
21:42:16preglowyes
21:42:27peturMR too
21:44:22nooobi got the same problem.
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21:45:33linuxstbnooob: Do you still have a copy of your original bootpartition.bin file you created during the installation?
21:46:49nooobno. but that shouldn't be a problem. there is nothing important on my ipod
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21:48:00BigMacalright I have to get this off my chest. I have been lieing for the past few weeks and can't take it anymore. As you all probably knew I am Captain_A. The reason i went through all this is because i love this chat, and wanted to stay here. I was very tired and very aggitated and feel horrible about my actions that night. I have to fess up now so I can feel better. I really hope you can forgive me and accept me not. If so just say so,
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21:48:59BigMacif you can fogive me say so
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21:49:41nooobBigMac: haha very funny... what?
21:49:56preglowi don't even know what you're talking about, but sure, it's all good
21:50:05BigMaca while back
21:50:09BigMacCaptain_A
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21:50:18BigMaci got mad and cussed everyone out
21:50:24linuxstbI haven't a clue what you're talking about either...
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21:51:05BigMacreally?
21:51:18BigMacyou'd have to ask midkay
21:51:22BigMacor febs
21:51:26BigMacor soap maybe
21:51:28nooobback to my question. what videoplayer options have i got on rockbox?
21:51:35preglowmpeg1/2
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21:51:52preglowlinuxstb: how's proper container parsin coming along?
21:51:57nooobwith or without sound?
21:52:11preglownooob: without, right now
21:52:15preglowbut it's all pretty new
21:52:47linuxstbpreglow: I still haven't decided what to use... Next step will just be decoding a separate .mp3 file at the same time as a .m2v, then I'll think about a container.
21:52:58dionoeaand the clock issues :)
21:53:15nooobok. thx. so there is hope. or i gotta try ipodlinux.
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21:53:35BigMacis there anyway to search the logs?
21:53:45dionoeagoogle :)
21:53:46linuxstbnooob: Yes, there's hope, but development is going slowly at the moment...
21:54:02linuxstbDownload a local copy of them to your PC, and search them there.
21:54:32linuxstbamiconn keeps mentioning a firefox extension he uses to save a copy of the logs, but I forget the name. Search the logs for it :)
21:54:57BigMacwere are they kept?
21:55:07preglowwww.rockbox.org/irc/
21:55:11BigMacwill do
21:55:16dionoeaBigMac: Captain_A+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockbox.org%2Firc%2F">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Captain_A+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockbox.org%2Firc%2F
21:55:49BigMacis there one that has it all in one doc?
21:55:53BigMacthat'd be nice
21:55:53preglowhaha
21:55:56preglowthat would be one big doc
21:56:00BigMacor in moth increments
21:56:04BigMacor even weeks
21:56:09dionoeagoogle has it all :)
21:56:16*dionoea stops
21:56:19BigMacbecause searching day by day blows
21:56:59preglowlinuxstb: i guess .ogg would be really easy to implement :PP
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21:57:18preglowBigMac: that's why you should let google do the searching
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21:57:49Allywhats up with the forums?
21:57:56linuxstbthey're down...
21:58:10linuxstbWe don't run them, so we don't know what's going on.
21:58:19Allyoh i see. who does? :s
21:58:22preglowwe should run them
21:58:28linuxstbMr Jeff from misticriver
21:58:33Allyoh i see.
21:58:46preglowjust dump the whole db over and install a board on rockbox.org
21:58:49*obo wonders if he could get a dev to look at the headphone unplug patch (4899)
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21:59:17Allyits weird though, a CPanel error comes up, not a 404
21:59:47Allyoh no wait.
21:59:52Allyit is now
21:59:53Allyhah
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22:00:28Allythanks for the wiki permission btw
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22:01:12BigMacuh
22:01:22BigMaci must have been deleted from the logs
22:01:28BigMacbut anyway i'm sorry
22:03:00nooobwho cares...?
22:03:58BigMacyou weren't there man
22:04:05BigMacand I had to clear my chest
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22:04:35preglowBigMac: nothing ever gets deleted from the logs
22:04:51BigMacwell i searched the logs for my nick
22:05:00BigMacand on days I know I was there
22:05:04preglowif you're not there, then logbot must have been away or something
22:05:08BigMacit didn't show up
22:05:16BigMacquite possible
22:06:06markunBigMac: did you see the people talking to you in the logs?
22:07:59pixelmaI remember the nick being Captain_America...
22:08:06BigMacyah
22:08:15BigMacbut it should show captain_a right
22:08:24BigMacbecause it is a segment of the word
22:08:36BigMacmarkun:didn't check
22:10:41BigMaci feel so stupid
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22:10:58BigMacdon't even want to say why i couldn't find my nick
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22:13:39webguest06has anyone modded a Recorder with more than 8megs of ram ?
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22:15:20amiconnpreglow: [21:55:56] <preglow> that would be one big doc <== not as big as you might think
22:15:44amiconn1552 files amounting to 116MB up to yesterday
22:16:13Soapcompressed?
22:16:20amiconnNo, raw .txt
22:16:37Soapsure?
22:16:45amiconnyes
22:16:50BigMacamiconn:do you have that doc in your possesion?
22:16:51amiconnI have a complete local copy
22:17:04BigMaclocal?
22:17:04SoapMy raw txt log is 11 megs since my last split two months ago.
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22:17:46amiconnJust use DownThemAll to fetch all *.txt links from http://www.rockbox.org/irc/
22:17:57BigMacnice idea
22:18:24BigMacSoap:get any parts in yet
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22:20:20SoapI got tons of parts, I'll work on a walk-through when I: A-finalize the amp design. B-clean off my solder station enough to be presentable.
22:21:14amiconnSoap: 10.1MB for the last 2 months... roughly matches your log then
22:21:57Soapdo the logs log joins/parts?>
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22:23:02BigMacnice
22:23:07BigMacsoap:got aim?
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22:27:11*nooob is leaving and wants to say thx for the good advice.
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22:29:36nlsBigMac, http://www.google.se/search?hs=0r2&hl=sv&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Asv-SE%3Aofficial&q=site%3Awww.rockbox.org%2Firc+Captain_America&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
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22:42:53BigMacah
22:43:05BigMacit was under korn i flipped out
22:46:11BigMachttp://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=68757
22:46:37BigMacwell anyway i'll brb
22:49:06elinenbelinuxstb: are you here?
22:49:06dionoeathat didn't sound so bad :)
22:50:53BigMacyah right...
22:50:59BigMacgot impatient
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22:51:47linuxstb_elinenbe: Yes.
22:55:56peturamiconn?
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22:57:19sharperguyyo guys
22:57:27sharperguy(and/or gals)
22:57:38BigMacyes?
22:58:00sharperguyI've been checking out stuff about rockbox
22:58:05peturamiconn (or anybody): for GPIO interrupts, the manual says set GPIO_FUNCTION register bit to 1 or 0 for interrupts, as applicable <−− do you need to set it to function to use it as int source?
22:58:14peturthis is on coldfire
22:58:26sharperguywhat type of channel is this btw?
22:58:52peturtype 4
22:58:56sharperguy?
22:59:03petur:p
22:59:23peturit's a channel about rockbox
22:59:28sharperguyi mean like. development only, support, rock-based banter etc
22:59:41peturdev and support I guess
22:59:41linuxstb_All of the above.
22:59:50sharperguyok
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23:00:36sharperguyI'm just wondering if anyone has any good ideas about what player I should buy to use with rockbox
23:01:02elinenbelinuxstb: so, how's it coming with the wma codec? are you getting realtime output?
23:01:02peturdepends on what you want to do with it
23:01:07sharperguythe main things i need are voice recording
23:01:19sharperguyand hard drive capacity
23:01:22peturbuild-in mic or line-in
23:01:26BigMaciriver h100 seems to be the concensus(if you can get your hands on one)
23:01:39sharperguybuilt in preferably
23:01:52peturbuild-in mic + harddrive = spin-up/down noise
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23:02:33sharperguyI really like the crative zen sleek, but no rockbox for that, so no linux support or free codecs either
23:02:37amiconnpetur: I don't know. Never dealt with gpio interrupts so far
23:02:58amiconnBut I guess the of does the correct setup
23:03:08amiconn...so we can look it up
23:03:10BigMacirivers are all very nice
23:03:10peturamiconn: can you use splashes in irq handlers ?
23:03:22amiconneurgh... better not
23:03:30sharperguywhat irivers contain mikes?
23:03:37BigMacor check out the iaudio x5
23:03:44BigMach300 h100
23:04:13peturamiconn: you configured the isp1362 reset gpio as input, was that intentional?
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23:05:28sharperguywhy must they advertise "OGG" when they mean vorbis?
23:06:51BigMacuhh
23:07:02BigMacthey are 2 seperate codecs i believe
23:07:05BigMacmay be wrong
23:07:11BigMacogg and vorbis
23:07:16amiconnpetur: Iirc I just copied of behaviour. isp1362 /reset has an internal pullup.
23:07:25BigMac.ogg and .vbr i believe?
23:08:00peturamiconn: np, just wondered... am playing with the chip a bit ;)
23:08:33sharperguyogg is a collection of codecs
23:08:52BigMacbut I think they are different
23:08:56markunsharperguy: It's a container
23:09:00BigMaci'm probably wrong
23:09:06sharperguyincluding vorbis (like mp3), theora (live mp4) and FLAC (like something)
23:09:16sharperguy*like mp4
23:09:22sharperguywikipedia it
23:09:24markunsharperguy: is avi also a collection of codecs then?
23:09:35BigMacbrb
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23:09:50sharperguyi dont know about avi
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23:11:31sharperguyhmm
23:12:11amiconnThere's also ogg speex
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23:14:28vbsoccerdude94hey everyone
23:14:40sharperguy"The units have an internal mic and an external mic is included as well."
23:14:43sharperguyyo
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23:14:50vbsoccerdude94Can anyone send me the helf-life wad?
23:14:56vbsoccerdude94half-life**
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23:15:51vbsoccerdude94does anybody have have the half-life wad that i can use on my nano?
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23:16:27preglowpeople would tell you if they did
23:16:44nooobfrombeforedoes someone know where to get the 1.1 fw for ipod nano?
23:16:55Paul_The_Nerdvbsoccerdude94: Really, the half-life mod for doom has nothing to do with Rockbox other than Rockbox having a doom player, you might want to look someplace more likely to have it.
23:18:05sharperguythats that video of someone playing "half life" on their nano using ipodlinux
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23:19:11vbsoccerdude94i thought if you downloaded the wad and renamed it doom2.wad and opened it with rockbox it would play?
23:19:40BigMacno
23:19:47BigMacyou download freedoom
23:19:52BigMacrename it doom 2
23:19:58BigMacthen you can load the wad
23:19:58vbsoccerdude94oh, ok
23:20:02vbsoccerdude94thanks
23:20:34BigMacnp
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23:21:48vbsoccerdude94on the freedom download page i chose the complete Iwad right?
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23:23:26Jozheya
23:23:30vbsoccerdude94hi
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23:23:52vbsoccerdude94 Welcome
23:24:04BigMacthanks
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23:24:35Jozwhats the deal?
23:24:52vbsoccerdude94 Color ful!
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23:27:09sharperguylol, cant find anywhere selling the h340
23:27:20nooobfrombefore<nooobfrombefore> does someone know where to get the 1.1 fw for ipod nano?
23:28:00BigMacsharperguy:try pricegrabber.com
23:29:15sharperguynope
23:30:03BigMacebay?
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23:30:31sharperguynope
23:30:41sharperguyebay only had covers and batteries
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23:37:26vbsoccerdude94wtf? my ipod just showed this battery icon and turned off!
23:37:32vbsoccerdude94now it won't turn on :(
23:37:38vbsoccerdude94what's wrong with it?
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23:38:13Paul_The_NerdWell, what exactly did you *do* right before that happened?
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23:41:14Soapvbsoccerdude94 - a nano I presume?
23:41:21nooobfrombeforeno one?
23:41:50Soapipodwizard forums, look there.
23:42:01Soapfor a link
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23:42:50Soapyou will need to fake-out the AppleFW installer to make it install an older version than what you have currently running.
23:43:09Soappeople at ipodwizard do that kind of thing eight times before breakfast.
23:43:41Soapvbsocverdude94 - a nano I presume?
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23:44:37zeSoap: do they know how to get to Milliways?
23:44:38Captain_Asigh
23:44:46Captain_Aguess it will never work
23:44:51Soap:)
23:45:34Captain_Atrying to get it to autoconnect to freenode then join rockbox with then nick of bigmac
23:45:43Captain_Aall of it works accept the nick
23:45:58 Nick elinenbe_run is now known as elinenbe (n=elinenbe@207-237-225-94.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com)
23:47:06Soapwhich IRC client?
23:47:13Captain_AmIRC
23:47:27Captain_Ai wish i had linux
23:47:45Captain_Akonversation looks sweet
23:48:11nooobfrombeforeok thx
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23:48:24Captain_Ai'm thinking of switching to linux
23:48:28Captain_Abut am afraid
23:49:25SoapView−−>Options−−>Connect
23:49:28Soapset your name there
23:49:51Captain_Ayah but its different on a seperate server
23:50:32Captain_Aso under tools options connect options perform
23:50:39Captain_Ai have this under efnet
23:50:40Soapview−−>options−−>connect−−>servers−−>(select freenode)−−>edit
23:50:42Captain_A"/server -m irc.freenode.net -j #rockbox -i BigMac
23:50:58vbsocverdude94ok, i've got one more question about rockdoom, i installed freedom and renamed it doom2.wad, then I tried to...
23:51:11vbsocverdude94run halflife and got an error
23:51:11Soapdid you read the manual?
23:51:17vbsocverdude94there's a manual?
23:51:23vbsocverdude94can i have a link?
23:51:32Captain_Ayes h/o
23:51:50Captain_A5g i presume?
23:51:59vbsocverdude94nano
23:52:09Captain_Ahttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano-20060917.pdf
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23:54:30vbsocverdude94it just says there are only 10 compatible addons for rockdoom
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23:55:03Captain_Anope
23:55:07Paul_The_Nerdvbsocverdude94: Does it actually say that. "There are only 10 compatible addons for rockdoom" or something almost exactly like that? Or does it only list a few example ones?
23:55:35Paul_The_Nerdvbsocverdude94: Because Rockdoom will work with any properly formed addon. But I'm assuming the error message you get with Half Life means it's not properly formed. Care to tell us what the error message is?
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