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#rockbox log for 2006-09-20

00:01:50bluebrothergtg now
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01:23:13dpassenAnyone know why flashing the latest rockbox.iriver on an H140 results in incompatible version?
01:27:30Paul_The_NerdYou mean the flash plugin tells you that?
01:27:46Paul_The_NerdI'm *guessing* because you're running an old version of Rockbox from flash, and your flashing plugin is newer than it.
01:27:55Paul_The_NerdHave you tried ROLOing into the new Rockbox.iriver first?
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01:33:51naltrushi
01:36:34markunhello naltrus
01:37:09naltrussomebody knows if rockbox will support to Philips HDD6320 ?
01:37:43markunmaybe, but we haven't found a key to decrypt the firmware
01:37:59markunhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
01:39:40markunwe need a .bl file for you player (I don't know much about this)
01:39:49markunIs there such a file on it?
01:39:49naltrusthanks markun. I have already seen before in this page.
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01:40:42markunare there pictures of the chips on the HDD6320 available?
01:41:08naltrusbut it is very difficult to find the key to decipt the firmware?
01:42:51markunnot if you have a .bl file
01:43:16markunotherwise I don't know how difficult it is
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01:44:16markunYou can ask Bagder if you come back a bit earlier (most people in europe are asleep)
01:44:24Rudy4PezHaha, nice topic.
01:44:31naltrusand where can be found the file bl? in the device?
01:44:47markunmaybe, I don't know
01:44:57naltrusthanks markun
01:46:53markunWithout a developer with such a device there will be no port. Is there a forum of HDD63xx users where you can ask for help?
01:47:40markunI'm off to sleep. Good luck
01:47:55amiconnTrademark issues? With tetrox?
01:47:59naltrusye markun
01:48:07amiconnSorry I don't get it...
01:48:13naltrusbye markun
01:48:21Rudy4PezHey can any other image format besides .jpg be viewed in Rockbox?
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02:19:30Soap_Lucretia_ my reflection
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02:57:42pagefaultthe latest firmware for the h10 is outstanding thanks guys
02:57:50pagefaultno more skipping with that latest wps
02:58:10rigelpagefault: can you get peak monitoring during playback?
02:58:18rigeli just updated
02:58:20pagefaultsadly no
02:58:22rigelbut havent tried it
02:58:23rigeldamn
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02:59:04pagefaultno skipping at all with icatcher wps though
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03:00:49pagefaultwould be nice to see the tuner supported sometime
03:00:53pagefaultbut it's not a priority
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03:03:42rigelhm. some of those wps files come up weird on mine
03:03:49rigelor did before i updated
03:04:05pagefaultwell the screen is 128x128
03:04:11pagefaultmany players are not that size
03:04:33rigeloh, the icatcher comes up nicely now
03:04:36rigelsweet
03:04:44Soapthat is a small screen.
03:04:44pagefaultthey need to be resized to work on the h10
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03:05:01pagefaulth20 is 160x128
03:05:05pagefaultor something like that
03:05:12pagefaultso those theme look off
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03:07:20pagefaultit's pretty much a beef up ipod nano
03:07:27pagefaultit shares a lot of the same hardware
03:09:16pagefaultiriver is hopeless with firmware though
03:10:29rigelwhy does rockbox not do usb
03:10:45rigeli have to put it into emergency mode when i want to transfer files
03:10:47Soapthe USB chip isn't documented
03:10:48pagefaultit does
03:10:53pagefaultturn it off
03:10:57pagefaultconnect the usb
03:11:00pagefaultthen turn it on
03:11:12rigelemergency connection does, or yeah, using the iriver firmware
03:11:19pagefaultor do you have a US model?
03:11:22rigelwhat usb chip is it, are there pics?
03:11:26rigeli have a us model, yes
03:11:36pagefaultyou should flash to euro model
03:11:38pagefaultUMS device
03:11:41amiconnUSB has to be done in software on the PP
03:11:43rigelits a 20g
03:11:45rigelnot a 5gb
03:12:06rigeli can get it as a UMS by using the emergency mode
03:12:12rigelwhich is how i transfer files all the time
03:12:22amiconn(1) we have no USB stack in rockbox. (2) there is no documentation about how the USB part of the PP works
03:12:36rigelmaybe an updated firmware that always uses the ums emergency shit? i never use the MTP or whatever it is
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03:13:09pagefaultI updated my 5gb model to UMS firmware from MTP
03:13:13pagefaultso it always boots to UMS
03:13:23amiconnMany other supported targets use a dedicated USB-ATA (or USB-MMC) bridge chip, which we just need to enable
03:13:37rigelpagefault: there is no corresponding firmware for the 20gb
03:13:40pagefaultahh
03:13:57rigelafaik
03:14:01pagefaultthat sucks
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03:14:54amiconnSo USB on PP targets (i.e. iPods and H10) is left to the OF or emergency disk mode for now
03:16:33pagefaultI feel your pain MTP is slow and annoying
03:16:55rigelpagefault: i see no point in it whatsoever
03:17:04rigeli dont use windows media player, on general principle
03:17:16pagefaultit was only put there so they can sell you DRM songs
03:17:20rigelplus, most of my mp3s are on a server i scp to
03:17:30rigelwith mtp, i cant change the iriver to the destination
03:17:37rigelright
03:17:42rigeli avoid drm
03:19:50pagefaultI try to
03:19:53pagefaultI do buy from audible
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03:20:04pagefaultbut I convert to vorbis
03:20:25Soapand you don't get artifacts?
03:20:33pagefaultnot really
03:20:34pagefaultit's voice
03:20:41pagefaultnot much quality to begin with
03:21:28pagefaultsounds pretty much like the original
03:21:39pagefaultwould be nice to have a native codec but that will probably never happen
03:22:02rigelanything i want i can find on giganews, pretty much
03:22:24SoapWe don't discuss copyright infringement here
03:24:12rigeldid i admit to infringing copyright? i wouldnt say so.
03:24:55rigelanyway.
03:26:45pagefaultwhat do you guys use normally to sync your players
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03:29:17SoapI forgot how USENET was a hotbed of legit-music distribution.
03:29:49pagefaulthah
03:29:58pagefaultmaybe alt-1920s
03:30:08pagefaultI think the copyright on that stuff is ok
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03:32:06Soapsad thing is some of that has had the copyright renewed.
03:32:49pagefaultsucks
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03:34:25pagefaulthmm
03:34:42pagefaultthere is some stuff on archive.org
03:34:47pagefaultcylinder transfer
03:36:40Soapyea, there are a lot of great concerts on archive.org also. Recent concerts by bands who allow taping.
03:38:08pagefaultI think it's great when bands post their songs on the net first because personally thats how I find them
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03:40:40SoapThis has wandered off topic, my bad. That's why I created #rockbox-social. Though that channel is about empty, I'd like to see it fill up and improve the signal-to-noise ratio here.
03:41:19pagefaultah ok sorry about that
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03:44:05Davide-NYCany news on WMA decoding?
03:45:01Adamalright i need some help and maybe some1 can help me. right now i have a video iPod with rockbox and no apple and im trying to restore apple for battery life reasons.... i have foobar and foo_pod and is there a way i can rebuild the database so when i boot into apple i will be able to navigate all my songs without making duplicates, right now ive got all my songs on my iPod in folders such as ARtist and so on
03:45:25Soaphow do you have rockbox and no apple firmware?
03:45:33Adami deleted apple firmware lol
03:45:41Soapok
03:45:43Adami can still boot into it, but the songs arent there because i deleted the db
03:45:55Adamknow what i mean now?
03:46:45Soapas I understand, the apple database /can/ work with songs you add manually to the HD of the ipod, but is _severely_ limited as to path/filename length, so the odds are you will not be able to build the itunes database from songs you added to your player's filetree.
03:47:15Soapahh, so you didn't delete the applefirmware, you just deleted all your songs from the ipod database and it's funky ipod_control folder.
03:48:50SoapSomeone else can probably answer what the maximum filename length is for songs to be added to the itunes database, but my suggestion would be to remove all your music added "filetree" style for rockbox, and readd through foo_pod. Then when you want to use RockBox you can access those songs through tagcache instead of filetree browsing.
03:48:51Adamive heard the limit is 127 characters
03:48:53Adamnot that limited
03:49:28Davide-NYC*cough* UMS
03:49:38Davide-NYC(sorry)
03:49:41Soapyou are right, 127 isn't /that/ limiting. I have a couple longer, but not my majority.
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03:51:44Soap \music\Lenny Bruce - 2004 - Let The Buyer Beware (Disc 1) (When The Good Road Is Closed, The Bad Road Will Never Be Open)\07 - Introduction To The Palladium Annie Ross What Was I Talking About.mp3
03:51:49Soapwouldn't make it.
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03:55:05Davide-NYCanyone know anything about WMA decoding? I'm willing to do testing.
03:55:17Davide-NYCWho's working on it (if anyone)
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04:09:03Adamalright.
04:09:10Adamwell its working halfway lol
04:09:42Adamwhen i open my iPod on iTunes all my songs are there and they play because i rebuilt the DB.... but when i try on my iPod all the songs are they but they just skip to the next one
04:09:46Adam they dont play
04:09:53Adamany ideas soap?
04:10:50Davide-NYCAnyone with CVS access willing to do a really simple fix?
04:11:17Davide-NYCthe font win_crox6hbo is totally broken and should be removed
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04:27:08buzzardhi
04:27:25buzzardis anyone there
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04:29:54Adamyeah im here
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04:31:22buzzardhi
04:31:25buzzardis anyone there
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04:31:40actionshrimp(03:30:12) (Adam) yeah im here
04:31:44buzzardhi
04:31:49buzzardi have a question
04:31:56Adamwhat
04:32:05buzzardhow do i put album art into my music
04:32:19Adamon rockbox?
04:32:22buzzardyea
04:32:36Adamare u using a theme that supports album art?
04:32:42buzzardyea
04:32:47Adamwhat theme
04:33:09buzzardjclix
04:33:35Adamwell u'll need to download an id3 editing program and add the pictures to the files
04:33:46buzzardhhm
04:33:53Adambut the theme will probably require u to have the pictures a certain size first
04:34:00Kaltharewhat? I'm pretty sure that's not how it works O.o
04:34:01buzzardohh
04:34:07Adamif they are to big or to small they might not display
04:34:08JdGordonalbum art cant be in the mp3
04:34:18JdGordonit has to be cover.bmp or something in the folder
04:34:26KalthareIt's supposed to be a 100x100 bmp in the folder, isn't it?
04:34:36buzzardit dosn't intergrate like in the itunes
04:34:41Adamlol gordan it can be in the mp3 actually, ive got close to 600 songs like that
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04:34:47Adamoh alright
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04:35:24KalthareDo you still need to use a patch to get album art to work?
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04:35:38Adami dont know i dont bother with it
04:35:40Adamlol
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04:39:21Davide-NYCQuestion about WPSes: is there a way to *force* a particular font for a .wps or .rwps?
04:39:40Davide-NYCI would love to force the rwps to use sysfont
04:40:08JdGordoni dont think so
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04:42:17Davide-NYCJdGordon: bummer
04:42:21Davide-NYClol
04:42:39JdGordonalthough... it could be possible by hacking he coe
04:42:42JdGordoncode*
04:43:32Davide-NYCplease tell me more, I am very curious and am *lightly* hacking code as we type
04:43:38Davide-NYC:-)
04:43:50Davide-NYCwhat files do I look at?
04:44:00JdGordongui/gwps*.c
04:44:41Davide-NYCthat includes gwps-common?
04:44:45JdGordonye
04:44:56JdGordoni tihnk the actual drawing code is in gwps-commin
04:45:22Davide-NYCI'll take a look
04:45:39Davide-NYCI don;t want too much, I just want sysfont forced on the remote
04:46:04Davide-NYCsay, would you do everyone a favor and remove the wincrox6hbo font from source?
04:46:16Davide-NYCit's totally "F"ed up
04:46:24Davide-NYCand make RB look unprofessional
04:46:29JdGordonha, no ill leave that to someone else
04:46:29Davide-NYC*makes
04:46:40Davide-NYCit's driving me nuts
04:46:44Davide-NYChaha
04:46:51JdGordonso dont use it?
04:47:07Davide-NYCthat's not the point, if someone looks at that they will get a bad impression
04:47:18Davide-NYCI generally use sysfont
04:47:30Davide-NYCthe font in question is actually broken
04:48:00Davide-NYCwho do I badger? (hint)
04:48:01JdGordonhow is it broken?
04:48:06Davide-NYCtake a look at it
04:48:28Davide-NYCI think it bump up against the maximum line size or something
04:48:46Davide-NYCbut I don;t think the lines should be allowed to become bigger, do you?
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04:49:06JdGordonah that 1!! haha, yeah, its fucked :D
04:49:07Davide-NYCfont in question = win_crox6hbo
04:49:18Davide-NYCplease please please DUMP IT.
04:49:43JdGordonnot up to me.. i might get in trouble for doing that...
04:49:44Davide-NYCblame on me
04:49:49JdGordonit should be fixed instead
04:50:01Davide-NYCurghh, who the hell needs a font that big
04:50:07CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
04:50:07*Davide-NYC shrugs him shoulders
04:50:21JdGordonyou just wait.. in 2 years we will have 14 inch screens on DAPs
04:50:25JdGordonthen you will!
04:50:25Davide-NYClol
04:50:34Davide-NYCwho do I bug about this?
04:50:51JdGordoni dunno... i guess put it in FS
04:50:57Davide-NYCOK
04:50:58KalthareHaha, wow, that one IS messed up.
04:51:09JdGordonare any others as bad?
04:51:12Davide-NYCno
04:51:25Davide-NYCit's a bug
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04:54:24Davide-NYChttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6031
04:54:27Davide-NYCdone
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05:32:29JdGordonw000t! i got dynamic menus working :D
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05:43:05jhMikeSJdGordon: lemme see before I go to bed :) The menus for recording are now excessively dynamic...so will it work for that?
05:43:21JdGordonit shuold
05:43:55JdGordoni have to test on the target tho.. because all menus are treated as dynamic.. which could slow stuff down
05:44:24jhMikeSAny arbitrary set of items can be hidden/removed without rewriting the entire array or something?
05:44:32JdGordonbingo
05:44:58JdGordonit checks each sub item and asks if it shuold be showed.. if there is no callback then it always is
05:45:22jhMikeSWill each item maintain an id too instead of just a position? That would really help a lot.
05:45:42JdGordonwhat do u mean?
05:46:34jhMikeSAssign an id to identify the particular menu item independent of its index in the array.
05:47:31JdGordonthe callback recieves the action and the menu's menu_item_ex struct pointer.. so it can identify itseld
05:47:33jhMikeSof course I can just use the string or function pointer as an id...
05:48:10JdGordonwhat im going to add is one really big callback that all dynamic items can ptut hemselves in, instead of having a new function for each
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05:48:28JdGordonthere is no speed difference on the h300 with this hadnling so its good to go :D
05:48:40jhMikeSall dynamic items in the entire build? :\
05:49:05JdGordonno, but ones which are just checking one vairbalae...
05:49:10JdGordonrecording can have its own :p
05:49:57jhMikeSI'd like to have the option for anything at all...per module/menu/item or whatever. I'll definitely need per menu.
05:51:04JdGordonok, no prob
05:52:15jhMikeSI'm not sure how you give a known constant to a function to id the item. I'd like to keep the initial list local...but I haven't seen anything yet I guess. :)
05:53:21JdGordonhmm.. just found a bad bug... :(
05:54:56JdGordonno, 2 big bugs
05:54:58jhMikeSat least you found it now instead of after numerous bug reports! :D Did a couple nasty ones in recording.
05:57:22JdGordon:) this is a big one.. it display the right list, but when u go into a menu item it wont acually enter the right one if the menu had any dynamic items
05:57:42JdGordonwhich was very easy to fix
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05:58:15JdGordonnow the only problem is it doesnt like dynamic items in the top level menu
05:58:56jhMikeShow does the compiled size compare to before?
05:59:25JdGordoni checked the recorder 2 days ago and it was 8.4kb smaller, which means rombox builds again
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06:04:00rigelso, to run pacbox, i need to find a .rom?
06:04:06rigelis that how it works?
06:04:22JdGordonno, pacbox needs 5 (6?) special files
06:04:26JdGordoncheck the wiki for their names
06:04:44JdGordonsweet, dynamic menus really work now!
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06:08:36KalthareIs anyone working on a 5.5G bootloader?
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06:12:48JdGordonKalthare: not to my knowledge....
06:15:13jhMikeSI guess, to be clearer, id like to know the actual item that was selected from a menu and not just the position- same thing for option lists. That will be possible?
06:15:42Kaltharelinuxstb, do you still want the 5.5G boot partition?
06:15:43JdGordonyes
06:15:59JdGordonhe is proably still asleep... :p
06:16:06jhMikeScool! :-)
06:16:12JdGordonlocal time there is like 4 am or something
06:16:18Kalthareoh. :p
06:16:46scorchemore like 6 ;)(
06:17:13JdGordonno, 4.. he is gmt..
06:17:22scorcheoh right...he isnt in sweden
06:17:25JdGordonor my maths is off
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06:18:04JdGordonKalthare: if you can zip up the boot partition and put it on the wiki it would be helpful
06:18:08JdGordonor link to it or something
06:18:27KalthareJdGordon: Sure. Where do I go for that?
06:18:48JdGordonhave u got your own webspace?
06:19:31Kaltharewell, yeah, but it's freeshell. I don't want to send a lot of traffic there.
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06:20:06KalthareIt's about fifteen megs, compressed.
06:21:22JdGordoni tinhk the wiki wont let u upload a file that big
06:22:00Davide-NYCI'll host it
06:22:09Davide-NYCwait, do I have 15 MB?
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06:23:59JdGordoni can host it on my uni webspace... if noone else can
06:24:09KalthareWhere on the wiki should it go?
06:24:22Davide-NYCI don;t know if I can push a file that big to my earthlink ftp server
06:24:40Davide-NYCis there a good way to check via ftp?
06:24:43JdGordonforget the wiki... send a messag e to the dev mailing list
06:26:07Davide-NYCgimme 4min to push a 16MB file
06:26:21Davide-NYCif that work I guess there'e enough space. :=P
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06:30:26Davide-NYCbad news
06:30:31KalthareHow much should I expect the file to be downloaded?
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06:31:13Davide-NYCI have no idea how many people receive the devlist emails
06:31:32Davide-NYCI would think not many, but I could be wrong
06:32:01KalthareAlright, well.. I guess I'll just put it up on my cable connection
06:41:21dilingeryuck
06:41:30dilingeri tried upgrading to a nightly build from last night
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06:41:57dilingeri couldn't even make it through an entire song on my ipod w/out it crashing :/
06:42:17dilingerso i reverted back to a nightly from june, which is reasonably stable
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06:42:39dilingerit crashes, but only every other album or so
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06:53:02hcsdilinger: what ipod do you have?
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06:54:47dilingerhcs: g4 greyscale
06:54:53dilingerer, 4g
06:54:54dilingerrather
06:55:31Davide-NYCcananyone tell me why I get a patch contains garbage error when trying to apply the wma.diff file?
06:55:37dilingeri'm tempted to rebuild the image w/ some debugging code to see if i can't get it to spit something out when it crashes
06:55:45dilingerbut i severely lack time atm
06:55:45hcsI have a 4g color and it crashes a lot, too
06:56:08Davide-NYCIf I look at it through a text editor I do not see clean ascii
06:56:30Davide-NYCdo I need to use a particular switch when gunziping?
06:57:00Davide-NYCthe file is at the bottom of this page
06:57:01Davide-NYChttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4984
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06:57:57scorchedilinger, hcs: it is a known issue and why those units are denoted as "Partial" in the DeviceChart wiki page
06:59:04hcsunderstood, just commiserating
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07:09:06hcsThe question is, is there anything we can do to help stabilize it?
07:10:44scorchei am not really the one to talk to about that...try linuxstb when he gets in (just a guess at a dev)
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07:19:40KalthareI hope the 5.5G is similar enough to the 5G that it'll be stable when we do get it on there. :/
07:20:22scorchei havent heard otherwise
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07:25:37Kaltharescorche: well, that's a relief. Thanks.
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07:32:10JdGordonany one know what the state of the h10 port is?
07:32:17JdGordonabout the same as any other?
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08:01:25Bg3rJdGordon: i'm not sure whether h10 has even sound ...
08:02:20scorchei got the impression that it worked with the exception of a few plugins
08:02:33scorchewith some bugs as well
08:06:32Bg3rah sorry then
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09:07:08theli_uaanyone knows what country had 44 area code?
09:07:13theli_uas/had/has
09:07:33Pajama-Bthe UK
09:07:58theli_uathanks
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09:11:41Pajama-BI got my Iriver and it was dead :(
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09:16:14amiconnjhMikeS: Does pcm_record still make sure the CPU is always boosted when recording from S/PDIF (h1x0)?
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09:20:03*petur has the feeling the recording rework was maybe not tested enough
09:20:04peturhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6589.0
09:20:29peturnow that we were finally getting some trust from tapers for using rockbox
09:20:33Pajama-BIt said in the description that it booted and played but had a problem crashing. so I figured jsut change the firmware
09:20:54Pajama-Bbut it's completely dead.
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09:22:05amiconnpetur: Might be a hardware glitch. Disk spinning up too slowly, or failing to seek in time. Perhaps caused by low battery
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09:22:33Pajama-BIt gets very warm when I plug it in.
09:22:46Pajama-BWon't turn on at all.
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09:23:12Pajama-BSo should I try leaving it plugged in for awhile...? I tried resetting it...
09:23:14peturimho, recording stability should be treated 100x more carefully than playback stability: one glitch ruins a recording and can never be corrected
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09:23:54peturI'm going to test this more before actually using it on saturday to tape a show
09:24:14amiconnYes, but if it's really the hd, there's not much we can do
09:24:39amiconnHe says it was a one-off phenomenon
09:24:46LinusNPajama-B: i think you have an expensive paper weight
09:24:53Pajama-Blol yes i agree
09:25:22peturamiconn: just because he replaced HDD and battery doesn't mean he says he has a crap HDD and low battery
09:26:10peturany glitch can be the sign of some race condition or timing issue
09:27:23Pajama-Bi paid $90
09:27:42Pajama-BI don't think there's any iriver places near me though
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09:28:35*JdGordon has a new 4gb 1g nano
09:28:41JdGordonabout to install rb
09:28:52*JdGordon == /me's sister
09:29:20*petur is also wondering about http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6577.0
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09:31:29*amiconn didn't try recording at all since the encoding patch went in
09:31:38*petur neither
09:32:03*petur still has a zip with the last known good recording version
09:32:59*amiconn usually doesn't record at all except for testing purposes
09:33:20*petur bought his h340 for taping
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09:33:38peturwhat a weird way of communicating ;)
09:33:43LinusNpetur: then you should have bought a tape recorder
09:33:50peturhar har har
09:34:39amiconnI will probably actually use rockbox recording (to wav) soon, just undecided about which unit I should use
09:35:06amiconnIf the snr of the iriver is as bad for recording as it is for playback, it probably won't be a wise choice
09:35:25*amiconn will need analog recording
09:35:28peturdepends on what you're recording
09:35:48hcssay you're recording waves crashing on a beach...
09:36:03peturI've done rock concerts and theatre, both were very fine
09:36:26*linuxstb downloads the 5.5g boot partition and confirms it's still a portalplayer firmware.
09:37:00Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Just needs different parsing or whatever when using ipod_fw?
09:37:21JdGordonis it just me, or is rockbox on the nano a bit blurry?
09:37:50Paul_The_NerdNever looked "blurry" to me, at least.
09:38:51Pajama-Bpetur what plaer do you have and what microphones you use?
09:38:58Pajama-Bplayer*
09:39:58peturh340 + st9100 mic-amp + cardoids, mic amp and cardoids are made by Chris Church
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09:40:18peturhttp://stores.ebay.ca/CHURCH-AUDIO
09:40:57Pajama-Bi have a church audio preamp, and a sony mzn-707 hoping to convert to the iriver
09:41:02peturI also have a pair of omni's from him but they pick up too much bass and distort during rock concerts
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09:42:10Pajama-Bdo you use a church preamp or the iriver
09:42:22peturI use the pre-amp
09:42:29Pajama-Bcool
09:42:39Pajama-Bdo you have any examples of loud music
09:43:08peturnot in WAV format...
09:43:18Pajama-Bthat's okay
09:43:20peturhere with me I mean
09:43:57Pajama-Boh
09:44:20hcsok, anyone want to tell me if I'm doing this right, I get a data abort at 4f394, I did an objdump on rockbox.elf, the address corresponded to "add r2, ip, 0x4000" in set_cpu_frequency
09:44:23peturI always record to WAV but convert to mp3 for listening
09:44:28Pajama-BI got some good concerts with the minidisc recorder
09:44:40hcsam I looking in the right place?
09:44:47Pajama-Bbut I just want another solution so I don't have to line anything in
09:44:48JdGordonhow important is it to keep the origianal bootloader partition? it can easily be restored with the ipod software right?
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09:45:14hcsJdGordon: yeah, or if you make a backup you can just put it back on
09:46:28Paul_The_NerdJust keep the bootpartition.bin file you get from the first step, for easiest restoration and/or installation of a new bootloader and/or retrying if something goes wrong
09:48:08hcsquicker question, is it even possible for an add to cause a data abort?
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09:50:32amiconnhcs: You probably are. (1) This addition should never cause a data abort. (2) Iirc the pc is 2 instructions (8 bytes) ahead of actual execution
09:50:35peturPajama-B: here's a 320kbps VBR mp3 of a recorded song, the mics we put on the stage in front of the band: http://users.telenet.be/mieke-en-peter/dampendelijven.mp3
09:50:52amiconnI mean, you're looking at _about_ the right place
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09:51:26Pajama-Bthanks
09:51:50peturPajama-B: don't worry if you don't understand the singer, they only sing in Dutch
09:52:38Pajama-Bheh that's okay
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09:52:56hcsamiconn: ah, well 2 instructions up is just an or, but the previous instruction is "str r3, [r1, #32]
09:53:21amiconnSounds more likely...
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09:59:53hcsbah, I don't know enough arm to do anything useful here
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10:02:31hcsmost of the time when it crashes it just freezes, but occasionally I'll get an error to look at...
10:06:52DarthShrineOMG
10:07:04menisk_what
10:07:08DarthShrineMy favourite podcast is being evil. *cries*
10:07:18menisk_what podcast
10:07:38DarthShrineSome Triple J one.
10:07:47menisk_whats it diong
10:08:20menisk_is it showing an exclamation when u try to dl?
10:08:28DarthShrineThe people on it didn't do one this week. Annoying.
10:08:48DarthShrine</Weirdness>
10:08:52menisk_oh
10:08:55menisk_meh
10:09:02menisk_pwnd.
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10:19:59mh546Hi! Trying to compile the Rockbox development environment with rockboxdev.sh, I get the following error message:
10:20:09mh546make[3]: Entering directory `/root/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc'
10:20:09mh546/root/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc/xgcc -B/root/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc/ -B/usr/local/sh-elf/sh-elf/bin/ -B/usr/local/sh-elf/sh-elf/lib/ -isystem /usr/local/sh-elf/sh-elf/include -isystem /usr/local/sh-elf/sh-elf/sys-include -c -o crt1.o -x assembler-with-cpp ../../gcc-4.0.3/gcc/config/sh/crt1.asm
10:20:09mh546as: Unbekannte Option »-big«
10:20:09DBUGEnqueued KICK mh546
10:20:09mh546make[3]: *** [crt1.o] Fehler 1
10:20:09mh546make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc'
10:20:11mh546make[2]: *** [extra] Fehler 2
10:20:13mh546make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc'
10:20:15mh546make[1]: *** [stmp-multilib] Fehler 2
10:20:17mh546make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/build-rbdev/build-gcc/gcc'
10:20:19mh546make: *** [install-gcc] Fehler 2
10:20:20DarthShrineErm, pastebin?
10:20:21mh546done
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10:22:08Ed__heh - compiler with german localisation
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10:22:29JdGordonhow long does the nano take to charge?
10:23:53mh546Yes, it's the compiler I get with the Debian package system. The first error message reads "as: Unknown option »-big«".
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10:29:21theli_uaanyone with h100 here who can test something for me?
10:30:32linuxstb_mh546: It sounds like rockboxdev.sh isn't using the correct (i.e. m68k) version of as. Did you get any other error messages before that one? It looks like either the compilation of binutils failed, or the location of the binutils binaries is not in your path.
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10:35:02JdGordonthe recent bookmarks menu item shouldnt be in the main menu if bookmarks are disabled right?
10:36:13mh546oh, yes, I get the same error messages somewhat earlier in the compile process. Unfortunately, my shell's text view isn't large enough to look for even earlier errors. I'll pipe the .sh output into a file and report in some minutes.
10:38:02theli_uamh546, you better export LC_ALL=C before running this cause i think not everyone understand Deutsch here
10:38:47Ed__theli_ua: 'unknown option: >>-big<<
10:38:53Ed__german isn't hard
10:39:00Ed__(well, not if dutch is your native language)
10:39:16theli_uaEd__, yeah i saw this i just not sure whether output will contain more errors
10:39:56theli_uaEd__, and i've studied deutsch about 10 years ago :)
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10:42:28mh546Thanks, theli_ua, I'll do so. I found an error just at the beginning of the process.:
10:42:44mh546ROCKBOXDEV: extracting binutils-2.16.1 in /root/build-rbdev
10:42:44mh546bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly;
10:42:44mh546 perhaps it is corrupted? *Possible* reason follows.
10:42:44mh546I'll try to re-download.
10:43:10theli_uathat must be it :)
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10:44:53theli_uai think i had the same error and had to download files by myself elsewhere
10:45:22JdGordonhell yeah :D dynamic menus kick ass
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10:46:31*bluebrother hates dynamic menus
10:47:05*theli_ua thinks of fast dynamic menus when you must move through them quickly ti catsh certain item
10:47:17theli_ua*to catch
10:48:04bluebrotherI like the "dynamic" target menu when you use move to from the context menu of a file as it remembers the last used targets.
10:48:33bluebrotherbut dynamic menus in applications? Or the dynamic start menu? Bleh.
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10:57:05pondlifeDynamic menus could make life harder for the blind. "Press DOWN-DOWN-RIGHT..." etc. instructions may not work any more...
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11:10:04bluebrothera user customizable menu (like "my favorites") might be nice but not auto-rearranging menus
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11:20:04pondlifeamiconn: I finally got round to that small playlist.c simplification you mentioned last week: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6032
11:20:39pondlifeBecause of the types involved I left the &audiobuf[talk_get_bufsize()] in
11:23:06pondlifeSlasheri: I have updated my voice fix at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6024 - this seems to work fine with recording (on H340 at least).
11:23:43pondlifeIt's still not commit material, until some more testing has taken place.
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11:26:57webguest74I have a question it does not say any install instructions but were and how do we install the fonts? I clicked on the zip file and un-zipped to desktop with no files
11:27:54bluebrotherwebguest74, put the contents of the contained folder into /.rockbox/fonts
11:28:02bluebrothermaybe that folder is marked hidden.
11:28:16scorcheactually, it is best to extract tot he root
11:28:33scorchethe archive has .rockbox as its top level
11:28:35LinusNwebguest44: the font zip contains the full path
11:28:46JdGordonpondlife: I would assume all blind users would use menu talking anyway, and my dynamic menus, im talking about how they are currently
11:28:49bluebrotherscorche, just looked after that ;-)
11:29:33pondlifeAre voice menus enabled by default?
11:29:39JdGordoni tinhk so
11:29:41bluebrotheryes.
11:29:46pondlifeOK, not a problem then
11:30:22webguest74ok with the one i did zip to my desktop why no files?
11:30:38bluebrotherwebguest74, I guess the folder is marked hidden
11:30:52webguest74oh ok i am on a mac just to let everyone know
11:31:01bluebrotheraaah.
11:31:24bluebrotherthe folder starts with a dot (.rockbox), and on unix systems files starting with a dot are hidden files.
11:31:35scorchewebguest74: just skip the desktop....extract directly to the root of your device
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11:32:15webguest74oh so I just download the zip file to ipod and extract
11:32:55scorchewebguest74: you can download the zip file anywhere you wish...just direct the extraction directory to the root of your device
11:33:50webguest74ok thanks vary helpfull
11:34:02LinusNi believe the mac way of doing things is to extract archives to the same directory as the archive
11:34:11LinusNextremely silly imho
11:34:31scorcheand there is no option to change the default?
11:34:33bluebrotherdoes "the mac way" include to have no other option?
11:34:36webguest74so i extract it and it is a folder and inside the folder is another folder called fonts?
11:34:50LinusNwebguest44: yes
11:35:01LinusNoops, tab completion :-)
11:35:15scorchefor the second time =)
11:35:19LinusNsaw that
11:35:52LinusNback when i had a mac, i had a really hard time trying to extract archives where i wanted them
11:35:53webguest74what should i do? just copy the folder inside the fonts folder to ipod?
11:36:18bluebrotherwebguest74, copy the archive to the root of the ipod. Extract all files there.
11:36:24scorcheLinusN: i am sure they have a shell command...
11:36:33LinusNwebguest74: i think the simplest way for you would be to download the archive to the ipod and then extract it there
11:36:38bluebrotherafterwards you can remove the archive
11:36:55webguest74ok done that thanks
11:37:23LinusNscorche: yes, but i'm not sure that the mac has a cmdline version of unzip
11:37:41scorchesilly macs...
11:37:46LinusNamen to that
11:38:27crwlit has
11:39:07webguest74when i click on browse fonts on rockbox nothing happens?
11:40:01bluebrotherwhat is "nothing"?
11:40:34webguest74I get no font chocies
11:41:05webguest74have to deal with this later
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11:42:19LinusNi think the default behaviour of the mac unzip tool is to ignore hidden folders
11:42:35scorcheugh....not another stupid behavior..
11:43:36LinusNah wait
11:44:13LinusNwhen he extracts fonts.zip, osx will create a folder with the same name as the zip, i.e "fonts"
11:44:33LinusNwhich contains .rockbox/fonts
11:44:54amiconnJdGordon: I don't think that the 'recent bookmarks' item should be hidden when the feature is switched off. Maybe there is still a list of bookmarks if the feature was enabled before...
11:44:54LinusNso he must still manually copy the contents to /.rockbox/fonts
11:45:28JdGordonamiconn: ah, thats true, ok
11:47:13pondlifeOops, broke the sim
11:47:15pondlifesims
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11:48:48amiconnpondlife: Yeah, archos can't talk while recording (and the hwcodec sims have no sound output at all)
11:49:06pondlifeCorrection on the way
11:49:36pondlifeThe test should have been for CONFIG_CODEC==SWCODEC
11:50:16pondlifeOr should an Archos device still allow for talk_get_bufsize?
11:50:55amiconnno
11:51:03amiconnOn archos there is no separate talk buffer
11:51:29amiconnThe voice file is loaded into the main buffer on request, and flushed when playback needs the buffer
11:51:35pondlifeOK, well this may actually fix a bug
11:52:06pondlifeAlthough I expect talk_get_bufsize returns 0 on Archos anyway
11:54:37mirak9amiconn I did some changings based on what we discussed http://pastebin.com/790451 , so now I try as much as possible to load with a movem. you might check my approach
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11:56:23pondlifeHmm, I get an eror building for the recorder: alpine_cdc.c:1131:15: invalid suffix "c" on integer constant
11:56:32mirak9I use the byte reversing routine to be able to write a long word in one shot, I am not sure if it's worse it for writting. But I am convinced now it's faster to burst read
11:56:35pondlifes/eror/error
11:59:25mirak9I gained some speed by doing that. Does gcc try to optimise memory reads ?
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12:01:16LinusNmirak: you mean combine byte reads into longs?
12:01:27LinusNi doubt it
12:01:37naltrussomebody is working in the file bl for PhilipsHDD6320? rockbox will support HDD6320?
12:02:14LinusNnaltrus: not that i know of
12:03:05markunnaltrus: did you check if it's on your player?
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12:07:18naltrusthe HDD6320 player it's very closed with MTP (not UMS) and only can acces to partition of data.
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12:07:57JdGordonthe nano charging is hardware controlled ye? its safe to hack a usb plug onto a 7.5v 1A wall charger and use that to charge it instead of a usb port?
12:08:27LinusNJdGordon: 7.5V sounds a little high
12:08:38LinusNsince usb is only 5v
12:08:48JdGordonit says 5v-30v on the back of it
12:08:56markunnaltrus: perhaps the hdd could be put in a USB enclosure to get to the data..
12:08:58JdGordonof the nano that is
12:09:36Hadakaoh yeah, does rockbox work with the new ipod nano btw?
12:09:47LinusNno
12:10:07Hadakaokay - is there probably going to be a lot of porting to do?
12:10:10LinusNHadaka: long time no see
12:10:32HadakaLinusN: yeah, same to you - my archos finally broke down permanently :/
12:10:37markunnaltrus: can you open up your player and take some pictures?
12:11:10Hadakaand I'm drooling for an 8 GB nano atm.
12:11:46LinusNHadaka: 8gb nano instead of a 20gb archos?
12:12:31HadakaLinusN: well, my archos was upgraded to a 40gb - but yeah, I've gone off the idea of keeping all my mp3's on a portable device as it is prone to breaking down and I can't get big enough hard drives anyway
12:12:54naltrusyes. I can access to all data (music, pictures, ....) with USB. bu the player use MTP to access USB and i can't not access to the real disc and this bootloader.
12:13:11spiorfLinusN, do you know what has changed in new ipods?
12:13:25LinusNspiorf: totally new platform
12:13:36LinusNa samsung chipset instead of portalplayer
12:14:30spiorfit's a problem of porting or it is not powerful enough to, for example, play videos?
12:14:36Hadakabut I hear those have 256Mb of SDRAM :)
12:15:31LinusNspiorf: it will be very hard to port, since we have nearly no information at all about the samsung chips
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12:15:42pondlifeHmm, can anyone please try building a DEBUG build for the H300?
12:16:00pondlifeIt fails here; I don't think it's my fault either (for a change)
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12:16:15spiorfso good that i bought the OLD ipod nano
12:16:22Hadakahmmh, I'll have to reconsider though... if it might be that there will be no rockbox for it for quite a while...
12:16:34jonnogrrr... bloody comp reset when i plugged it in!
12:16:42LinusNHadaka: you can make it happen :-)
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12:17:12HadakaLinusN: heh, not that good in embedded stuff
12:17:45LinusNpondlife: h300 debug build?
12:17:48pondlifeYes
12:18:01LinusNwho uses iriver debug builds?
12:18:14*JdGordon very occasioannly
12:18:17HadakaI wonder though what the processor is really like on the new nano
12:18:22pondlifeWell, I'd like to!
12:18:23LinusNi would be surprised if it worked
12:18:28pondlifeIt doesn't
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12:18:59LinusNmy guess is that it misses the debug() function
12:19:03pondlifeI have some very useful code for tracking wayward cpu_boosts
12:19:15LinusNam i correct?
12:19:24pondlifePlenty of errors
12:19:29pondlifedebug_init is the first!
12:19:35spiorfLinusN, do you have a link with new nano specification? like chipset, ram etc
12:19:43pondlifemain.c:298: undefined reference to `debug_init'
12:19:48pondlifefor example
12:19:52LinusNthe debug builds are only for serial port debugging with a cross gdb
12:20:05JdGordonso, if it says rated 5-30v trying a 12V powerpack shouldnt be a problem right?
12:20:14LinusNand i believe it only works on the archos, and maybe the ifp
12:20:28LinusNJdGordon: well, if it says so...
12:20:29pondlifeI don't want to lose this code, but don't want to upset amiconn by making the binary bigger for what is essentially a debugging feature
12:20:29tucozI wonder what chatzilla does each time i enter this channel. I get a "[ERROR]You need to be an operator in #rockbox to do that."
12:20:49daurnimatorheh
12:20:56daurnimatorchatzilla does that everywhere
12:21:03tucozaha. Ok
12:21:05pondlifeHaving said that, it might be useful for general users who notice they are boosted and wantr to know why
12:21:08daurnimator- but i don't use it
12:21:09daurnimator;)
12:21:14LinusNpondlife: nobody builds debug builds
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12:21:21tucozI only use it when I am using windows
12:21:31daurnimatori use mirc in windows or kvirc in linux
12:21:38daurnimator- in kvirc now
12:21:38LinusNexcept for me and t0mas, and occasionally amiconn
12:21:40pondlifeFair enough. So I'll make this a patch for all builds...
12:21:49LinusNand then it is only for archos and ifp
12:21:55tucozI like xchat in linux
12:22:02*LinusN too
12:22:08daurnimatorhave you tried kvirc?
12:22:08amiconnLinusN: The coldfire does have a serial port, correct?
12:22:13LinusNyes
12:22:15markunhi tucoz, you are one of the manual maintainers, right?
12:22:20tucozmarkun: right
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12:22:31LinusNand the h-series have nice pads on the pcb to connect it
12:22:32amiconntucoz: Did you try HydraIRC?
12:22:39*amiconn likes that irc client most
12:22:43tucozIs that for windows?
12:22:55amiconnyes
12:23:01*LinusN goes to lunch
12:23:33tucozhmm. Well, chatzilla works fine for my needs. Guess i could take a look at hydrairc
12:23:41JdGordonwill the nano even charge if only the power pins are connected?
12:23:54daurnimatortucoz: try kvirc
12:23:59daurnimatorwindows & linux (i think)
12:24:18tucozoh. But if it is similar to mirc, then I don't like it :)
12:24:30xorAxAxirssi rocks
12:24:33xorAxAxon every platform
12:24:37markuntucoz: the iriver H1x0 manual installation section assumes people are using windows
12:24:44daurnimatorits not really like mirc
12:25:02*markun likes irssi too
12:25:04tucozi am looking at the kvirc site now
12:26:33amiconnirssi is a text mode client?
12:26:54DarthShrineYes.
12:26:57tucozmarkun: ok. then we should add linux install instructions. I think we left those out at the time, because you'll have to download the source to be able to use them.
12:28:56tucozWe also have to add the flash section to h120/h140 manual sometime. But I think that will have to wait until the official bootloader is supporting flashing
12:31:12tucozwhich reminds me. That is one place where the h100 and h120 differs. The h120 supports flashing atm, but the h100 does not.
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12:31:15daurnimator_hmm
12:31:26daurnimator_xchat is too... lacking in options?
12:31:41tucozwell, i am not that much of an irc user
12:32:08tucozso it suits my needs
12:33:24daurnimator_na
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12:33:27daurnimator_i don't like it
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12:33:53tucozmarkun: but the fwpatcher can be run from linux as well, by using wine. Maybe we should mention that
12:36:10amiconnWhy does the h100 not support flashing?
12:38:50tucozI don't know. Just thought I read that in the flashing instructions
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12:39:15tucozAnd I do not think that Slasheri can verify that it works, without an actual h100
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12:53:46Arathisjust updated to the latest rockbox (H10), but tetrox is still there. oO
12:54:06ArathisI have tetrox and rockblox in my plugin list
12:55:16tucozArathis: if you delete .rockbox/rocks/tetrox.rock, it will be gone forever
12:56:19tucozSo, rockbox does not distribute tetrox anymore
12:56:28ArathisxD
12:57:02Arathisof course it's still there though only copied the new files on the player
12:57:44Arathisbtw: what is the best way to update to a new rockbox build without deleting the configs and highscores?
12:58:36tucozdoes the zip contain highscores? I thought those were created on target
12:59:31tucozI just unzip the rockbox.zip to the root of my player. But I keep a config that i run when the config block is changed.
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13:30:01PezcoreHi, i read somewhere that i could just remove all folders from my ipod, including the music folder, only leave rockbox on there, and then copy the music folder back onto my ipod, would that work?
13:31:15LinusNwhy would you do that?
13:31:32markunLinusN: to get rid of the itunes mess
13:31:46LinusNah
13:31:49markunI guess
13:31:59markunPezcore: yes, should work
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13:32:02Pezcorei read it on some forum, would it work though?
13:32:04Pezcorealright
13:32:11Pezcorecan i still add songs with my iTunes though?
13:32:30Pezcorewithout removing rockbox ect.
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13:34:21Pezcoreand do i just copyu the rockbox.ipod file onto the ipod as well as the .rockbox folder
13:34:31markunjust extract the whole zip
13:35:05Pezcoreand delete all other folders? apart from music, which i'll copy back onto it when rockbox is um..installed?
13:35:26markunWell, doesn't iTunes require this music folder?
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13:36:03Pezcorei think so, which is why i'm curious if i can still add songs and such with iTunes after i've installed it, or if itunes will delete it itself
13:36:21markunyou probably can't add new songs with iTunes
13:36:53Pezcoreoh well, how do i control rockbox though?
13:36:57Pezcoreon my ipod itself? or?
13:37:09markuncontrol?
13:37:23Pezcorewell, yeah, to add all those fancy themes and whatnot
13:40:44mirak9does gcc try to optimise loads from memory with movem ?
13:41:49mirak9for exemple if you have a[0] a[1] a[2] access close in the code
13:42:18Pezcorethe guy on the forum just said "i installed rockbox this morning in 7 minutes. i deleted all the directories that the apple firmware had put on there and just left the one rockbox dir and moved my music over. moving my music was the longest part."
13:43:03markunPezcore: you can also not delete your forlders and put rockbox on it
13:43:18Pezcoremarkun: i just did that, but um...how do i make it all fancy?
13:43:18markunthen use tagcache (chech the manual) to play your music
13:43:48DarthShrinePezcore: Download or make themes and use them.
13:44:18Pezcorei couldn't really find a manual on the site =/
13:44:31markunPezcore: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
13:44:38Pezcorethanks
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13:48:31JdGordonhow long does the nano need to charge before something shows on the screen after the battery is completly flat?
13:48:55Bg3r30 min ?
13:49:01Bg3r(just guessing)
13:49:09Bg3rshouldn't be more
13:49:30JdGordonhmm... it was plugged into usb for 4 hours and got nothing... i rigged up a AC charger for it and thats been going for 20min and still nothing :'(
13:49:50Bg3r:(
13:49:58Bg3ri don't know then ..
13:50:08JdGordonbrand new aswell... i had just enough batt to install rb and thats it :p
13:50:14*bluebrother wonders if it's really that hard to find the "documentation" link on the website
13:50:50JdGordonyes, actually it is...!
13:51:44bluebrother:(
13:52:13JdGordonwhich i had actually checked already.. and the only thing in the faq re batt is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#My_battery_doesn_t_last_as_long which is not what oim asking
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13:57:05Hadakasome new nano internal pictures: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/ipod-2g.ars/4
13:58:08HadakaI wonder how fast the samsung ARM chip is then
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14:00:22Hadakaand I wonder what on earth is the apple sound chip
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14:04:49markunHadaka: might be something like this: http://www.samsung.com/products/semiconductor/SystemLSI/DigitalMedia/OpticalASSP/OpticalPlayer/MP3/SA58700/SA58700.htm
14:05:00markunthe CPU, not the sound chip
14:06:49Hadakamarkun: hmh, could be
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14:12:06JdGordonmenus are 80% finished recoding :D
14:13:19PaulJamSlasheri: i have a question about the export/import function of TagCache: what happens if i change the genre of some files? will the playcount/autoscore be reset for those files when i update or reinitialize the Tagcache?
14:16:11Mordov|hardlywotodays question :) I am thinking abaout soldering two vires from the usb plug to my power inpott plugg on my h-120 to get USB charging without having to use a two plug cable... can anyone se a reason not to??
14:18:16LinusNMordov|hardlywo: 1) You might damage the USB circuits in the other end
14:18:42LinusN2) you might damage things if you connect both the charger and the usb connector
14:19:12Mordov|hardlywowouldn't it be just as dangerous with a "normal" usb charger? reason 1 this is
14:19:19LinusNMordov|hardlywo: yes
14:19:46pondlifeLinusN: could you try the updated patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6024 and see if recording monitoring works with it.. it seems ok on my H300 (lovely feedback!), but I don't use recording so am not certain what is normal.
14:19:57Mordov|hardlywoI recon that aslong as the bateries is in parralell the only thing increasing is the amp potensial..
14:20:03LinusNi don't use recording either :-)
14:20:17pondlifeFair 'nuff!
14:20:35pondlifeBut if you could compare against yesterday's test that would be good
14:21:10LinusNMordov|hardlywo: well, in case (2) you will power the USB bus with your charger, and i'm not sure you want that
14:22:18Mordov|hardlywotthat is a good point ;)
14:23:11Mordov|hardlywook thanks :) now I don't have to figure out a whay to safly att wires to the smal USB backside ;)
14:23:18Mordov|hardlywoadd
14:23:29LinusN:-)
14:24:45Mordov|hardlywoI am waiting for a new Hdd and I'm getting resless ;) already buildt a carholder :)
14:25:07Mordov|hardlywothink I have to make a usb charger aswell... nice for traveling
14:25:48Mordov|hardlywoand I have added silicon to the navi button.... yhink the only mod that is left (and sain) is the battry exchange
14:31:44bluebrotherhmm, isn't the favorites plugin somewhat outdated?
14:31:53LinusNit should probably be deleted
14:32:03bluebrotherafaics the same functionality can be obtained with the playlist catalog
14:32:09LinusNyup
14:32:28bluebrotherthen I won't bother with the missing screenshots for it :)
14:32:32LinusNdon't
14:35:01Bg3rwow ... the new nanos have 256MB RAM ??
14:35:01*amiconn still doesn't know how the playlist catalog works
14:35:38JdGordonhmm... with my menu rework, its not immediatly obvious if a menu item is a setting, or if it goes into another menu... does anyone think an icon for the current chosen option would work?
14:35:51JdGordonBg3r: 256mb chips are cheaper to make than 64mb?
14:36:31Bg3ri doubt it
14:37:07bluebrotherJdGordon, how about that multi-line settings approach? Had some positive feedback the time it worked
14:37:08JdGordonanywho.. apart from that minor problem.. my changes are finished.. anyone game to test a patch?
14:37:15JdGordon?
14:37:42JdGordonthe showing the value in the menu?
14:38:19bluebrotheryes.
14:38:33pondlifeJust put a > at the right-hand side if there's a sub-menu?
14:38:40JdGordoni dont think that would look good
14:38:45JdGordonpondlife: maybe that could work
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14:38:57bluebrotherhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5833
14:39:03pondlifeSo no > would indicate end of line = setting..
14:39:21bluebrotherI liked that pretty much. Maybe extend it to the complete menu?
14:39:28JdGordonpondlife: that doesnt work well when the item names are as long as the screen is wide
14:39:34pondlifeTrue
14:39:38pondlifeOr wider!
14:39:45pondlifeAssuming scrolling will happen
14:39:49JdGordonbluebrother: i thought there was a fair bit of objection to that
14:40:10pondlifeYou'd need to have a one char margin at the right in that case... not simple
14:40:12bluebrotheriirc the only objection was the fact that the settings now have a setting ;-)
14:40:35bluebrotherbut imo it makes the menus look much better, especially on targets with a big screen.
14:40:36JdGordonbah, my changes make adding more settings painfully simple.. so bring em on :D
14:40:45pondlifeI don't like 2 lines per setting
14:40:50JdGordonit should be v easy to adapt that to this tho
14:41:18JdGordonhow about a radio button sort of icon next to settings?
14:41:20bluebrotherat least he had a nice solution to the setting vs submenu
14:41:48JdGordoni mean, in the setting screen it shows radio buttons, in the menus it shows nothing
14:41:51pondlifeAre there any screenshots of patch 5833 around?
14:42:04bluebrotherand at least I liked it to see the value of a setting without going into the setting itself
14:42:06JdGordonthe forum thread has, probbly old ones tho
14:42:28pondlifeAh, the forum - that place I rarely visit....
14:42:38JdGordonwise man :D
14:42:52*JdGordon is slightly worried about this nano still not turning on...
14:43:44bluebrotherpondlife, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5881.msg45572#msg45572
14:43:50LinusNpondlife: seems to work
14:44:10pondlifebluebrother: Thanks
14:44:14pondlifeLinusN: Thanks
14:44:53pondlifeI quite like the output from 5833, although I prefer teh current, sparse look.
14:45:42pondlifeAh, I really don't like the 2 lines per option one
14:45:48bluebrotherthe nice thing was that you could turn it completely off
14:46:21LinusNi like the 2-line approach best
14:46:22*pondlife reads the forum thread
14:46:52LinusNmainly because it works on all screen sizes
14:47:31pondlifeNot too nice on the remotes though
14:47:58pondlifeAlso you effectively halve the vertical screen size when searching for an option
14:48:08pondlifeWhich is most of the use of menus.
14:48:51LinusNyes, but if you try to cram both the name and the value on one line, it will look terrible on small lcd's, or with a large font
14:49:08pondlifeWell, I prefer not to do that either
14:49:35pondlifeThe current menu is better IMHO
14:49:45JdGordonare the icons 6 verticle x 8 horizontal pixels or the other way around?
14:50:12pondlifeAn icon would be a good solution - although I would have icons turned off personally :-)
14:50:20*pondlife is Mr. Text Mode
14:50:41LinusNicons are badness imho
14:50:55JdGordonwhy? the space is there for them anyway
14:50:59pondlifeYes, but compatible with the tree view
14:51:01JdGordonit might look ok
14:51:22JdGordonit needs _something_ there is no way to tell which is a sub menu and which is a setting
14:51:39pondlifeI'd quite like to integrate the tree, tagtree and settings into one structure somehow, but that's another story.
14:51:40JdGordonthe difference from now is that the menus have a title also now
14:51:51pondlifeSo does the tree
14:51:57pondlifeOr rather it can
14:52:32JdGordonye, but what im saying is that currently the menus dont have a title, but settings do, so you know your in a setting if the title is there.. with my patch tjere is a title in both...
14:52:56LinusNJdGordon: where's the patch?
14:53:19JdGordonon the wiki in 2 min, let my just up the latest
14:53:34pondlifewiki? Surely you mean Flyspray ;-0
14:54:04JdGordonno, wiki while its a WIP
14:54:25pondlifeGood idea, or it may get committed too early :-[
14:54:36JdGordonLinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuSettingsRecoding
14:54:42*pondlife officially forgives Slasheri
14:55:08LinusNJdGordon: boooh:
14:55:11LinusN-settings_menu.c
14:55:11LinusN-sound_menu.c
14:55:11LinusN+//settings_menu.c
14:55:11DBUGEnqueued KICK LinusN
14:55:11LinusN+//sound_menu.c
14:55:39JdGordonye, its WIP.. ill obviously clean it up before i submit it as the finished product
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14:56:00amiconnImho 2 lines per setting are a big waste of screen estate, settings at the right are ugly on large screens and really ugly on small screens, and they won't work properly with long (==scrolling) menu items
14:56:02JdGordonicons are 8 hiegh by 6 wide btw :p
14:56:14amiconnThe > at the right will suffer from the same problem
14:56:33amiconn...but I would like it if it's possible
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14:56:55LinusNJdGordon: you're still using LANG strings?
14:56:56pondlifeI imagine a > on the right that just results in scrolling happening one char earlier
14:57:11pondlifeAnd only affects that one row
14:57:15amiconnThe > will scroll as well
14:57:28pondlifeI'd rather it was fixed at the right
14:57:37JdGordonLinusN: yes, like i said.. WIP.. i still think that should eb the way to go tho...
14:57:41pondlifei.e. the scroll-zone is just including the text
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14:57:46*JdGordon is being stubborn :p
14:57:56amiconnYeah, but the current scrolling implementation doesn't allow to specify a right margin
14:58:06pondlifeI never said it would be easy :-)
14:58:09amiconnThat will change with viewports...
14:58:22pondlifeOK, maybe allow > to scroll for now
14:59:04LinusNJdGordon: so you actually think it's a good idea with a settings format that gets incompatible when the language strings change?
14:59:05amiconnWe have no > right now, so I don't think it's necessary to introduce it
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14:59:26pondlifeI agree - wait until after viewports for that
14:59:34*bluebrother still likes the two-lines approach best
14:59:41JdGordonLinusN: yes, how often are the english versions changed? (dont want to argue this now..)
14:59:57LinusNok then
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15:00:17pondlifeamiconn: Please can you quickly check my pointer arithmatic at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6032...
15:00:29*LinusN stops reviewing the menu patch
15:00:56JdGordon:( can you try it out? let me know if the usage is ok?
15:01:01JdGordoneven if the code isnt perfect atm
15:01:03SlasheriPaulJam: nope, it will not reset. Currently only file path is used to connect the runtime data to correct file. But that will be improved in future to look into tags also
15:01:06pondlifeHmm, why is it "arithmEtic" but "mathemAtic" ....
15:01:16Slasheripondlife: hmm
15:02:28pondlifehmm?
15:02:39PaulJamSlasheri: ok, thanks for the info. (i wasn't sure, because the changelog contains the tags too.)
15:02:41pondlifeHmm, too many hmms..
15:02:43Slasheri15:54 * pondlife officially forgives Slasheri
15:02:45Slasherithat :D
15:02:48pondlifeJust joking
15:02:51Slasherihehe
15:03:02Slasherii have been busy at work if you mean that your voice patch
15:03:05pondlifeJust don't do it again
15:03:10Slasheri=)
15:03:39pondlifeYep. You can make up for it by testing the new one and not committing it.
15:03:56Slasherisure, i will try later today
15:04:09pondlifeAlthough I suspect jhMikeS has a larger rework up his sleeve
15:04:29pondlifeBut this one Works For Me
15:04:29Slasherihehe, in the last time you had the wish that i commit your playback patch soon ;)
15:04:30*_jhMikeS_ is checking the logs to see if there's any discussion about something he messed up
15:04:37pondlifeNope
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15:05:20pondlifeNothing messed up, but you may want to test out http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6024 - not much changed from yesterday
15:05:47pondlifeSince then I've also removed those USB swaps and all seems well too.
15:05:52jhMikeSpondlife: rework...rather big...sw recording.
15:05:59pondlifeGood luck
15:06:12jhMikeSthanks...is there something I should know?
15:06:31lowlightJdGordon: nobody liked the look of radio buttons for settings a few weeks ago when I talked about it...I've done checkmarks instead: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox/settings_selected_icon.bmp
15:06:39amiconnjhMikeS: [09:16:13] <amiconn> jhMikeS: Does pcm_record still make sure the CPU is always boosted when recording from S/PDIF (h1x0)?
15:06:42LinusNJdGordon: calling file functions in the ATA callback seems risky at best
15:06:55jhMikeSamiconn: yes
15:07:23JdGordonlowlight: have u done the patch or just the mockup?
15:07:24jhMikeSThe only change yesterday was pcmrec_callback
15:07:55pondlifejhMikeS: Only that I'd like you to confirm that the playback.c mods in 6024 don't break recording.
15:08:09JdGordonLinusN: yes, thats probably why it has crashed on me a fwe times, im hopegin another set of eyes can see a safer way to do this
15:08:38amiconnlowlight: Rockbox has a checkbox widget for a very long time... just no code seems to use it
15:08:44jhMikeSpondlife: np
15:08:48pondlifeCheers
15:08:53LinusNthe current approach works because it is a single raw sector write
15:08:58JdGordonthe ata_callback_count variable should stop it calling itself over and over again, as well as the array will eventually be all nULL...
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15:09:16jhMikeSCan I reproduce the voice bug with a one-song playlist?
15:09:36LinusNjhMikeS: set repeat=none and play the last song in a dir
15:09:53jhMikeSAuto change dir off too right?
15:09:57LinusNyup
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15:10:08JdGordonlowlight: nice naming scheme :D i found the patch.. im gonna try it
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15:11:09lowlightJdGordon: it may not apply cleanly now.
15:11:19JdGordon3/7 failed :'(
15:12:17pondlifejhMikeS: yes
15:12:47pondlifeJust let it play to the end - I have a 5 second recording to test with
15:13:22LinusNpondlife, jhMikeS: i can't reproduce the voice bug with the latest patch
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15:14:02pondlifeNope, I'm pretty sure it resolves the bug (by not swapping when audio_codec_loaded=false), but does it break recording at all?
15:14:16pondlifeI can make a recording and monitor ok, but am not sure of the subtleties
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15:14:40jhMikeSjust want to make a valid comparison...won't take long
15:14:49pondlifeAlso, only tried mic - not SPDIF for example
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15:16:41mirak9jhMikes, this benchmark http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:sfymR-7AAQwJ:lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-dev-eng/2004-August/028021.html+ffmpeg+libmpeg2&hl=fr&gl=fr&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a suggest that ffmpeg is faster than libmpeg2. Also maybe without using b frames for encoding we can decode faster
15:16:55preglowlike using mjpeg?
15:17:02preglowthat'll wreak havoc on the compression ratio
15:17:02JdGordonlowlight: cheers.. that looks much better :)
15:17:19preglowforget it, you said b frames, not p frames
15:17:43preglowwe can definitely decode faster without b frames, but they do some times help compression ratio a bit
15:19:42jhMikeSyep the voice bug is there...now for the patch.
15:22:07markunmirak9: why do you use google cache for that?
15:22:20lowlightJdGordon: glad you made it work :)
15:22:41JdGordononly needed tiny fixes to compile
15:24:05mirak9markun google is faster often
15:24:35mirak9preglow no, you would have to use only i frames to have something like mjpeg
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15:24:57preglowmirak9: know, know
15:25:03markunmirak9: interesting that libmpeg 0.3.1 is faster than 0.4.0b
15:25:03mirak9preglow p frames takes preceding image, and b frames before and after
15:25:33preglowmirak9: know, know, i just misread what you said
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15:28:24mirak9preglow well my goal is to reach 25fps plus sound. wav sound will do, so I don't bother about size that much as long as it's below 2G :D
15:28:30jhMikeSpondlife: ok...I see both bug are fixed (no freeze entering recording) but now Mic recording is not working at all. I don't think your change has anything to do with it. My cvs up showed a change to recording.c.
15:28:51preglowmirak9: with mpeg2 we'll reach that plus an ordinary codec
15:28:55preglowno problem
15:30:05jhMikeSpondlife: I remove your patch and confirm for Mic.
15:30:14jhMikeS*I'll
15:30:58pondlifeHmm, the recording change was me, but only affects the sim
15:31:35pondlifeI was attempting to simulate recording better, but no joy yet
15:33:26pondlifeNeither mod should affect Mic recording.. and it's working ok here (H340 inbuild mic)
15:33:28jhMikeSpatch removed and now I have mic back
15:33:32pondlife??
15:33:37jhMikeSI'll try one more time
15:34:59mirak9preglow no problem ?? well I lack of ideas right now to optimise
15:35:15preglowmirak9: use more iram
15:35:20preglowlook at the motion estimation
15:35:32mirak9I know some work can be done on motioncompensation, that's the next candidate from profling analysis, but I really understand nothing to the code in this file
15:36:01mirak9there are to much macros
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15:37:52jhMikeSThere is still a problem if voice menus are enabled
15:38:00jhMikeSOr actuall there is now
15:38:03pondlifeDo you find it works second time
15:38:13jhMikeSI have to let voice stop first
15:38:18pondlifemp3_play_stop should be waiting for voice to stop
15:38:23jhMikeSthen the mic starts up
15:39:44JdGordon*cough* http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6595.0
15:39:51jhMikeSIf I enter the screen in the middle of a clip recording doesn't work for mix
15:39:53jhMikeSmic
15:40:21mirak9preglow I am not sure if mpeg2 works on y u v planes speratly or at the same time. if it's separately maybe having one buffer plane could help, but it would be big 220*176, around 16k
15:41:12pondlifeDo you call anything that should stop voice?
15:41:43preglowhmmm, i wonder how much iram the core uses now
15:41:47pondlifeAh - voice_stop...
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15:45:36amiconnmirak: I would be interested in a couple of frame rate numbers, preferably with our "official" test video (elephant's dream)
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15:46:01RaeNyealoha
15:46:17jhMikeSpondlife: yead it's in recording.c
15:46:27amiconnIf you can, test with actual screen output (i.e. the call to lcd_yuv_blit()) disabled
15:46:28jhMikeSRaeNye: ahola
15:46:46pondlifevoice_stop doesn't actually wait for voice to stop
15:47:02amiconnFrame rate with cvs, with asm idct, with idct block in iram, and with both
15:47:11pondlifeIt probably should!
15:47:18jhMikeSI calls mp3_play_stop or whatever, right? and that wait...dang I wrote it
15:47:43pondlifeAnd I may have removed a wait loop a while back
15:47:52pondlifeNot in this patch though
15:48:16jhMikeSprobably but it used to hang if it did
15:48:56*jhMikeS is getting senile
15:50:42mirak9preglow I did some modifications on idct_add and idct_copy , they use burst mode reading as much as possible, the gain is substential.
15:50:59RaeNyecan you record and play simultaneously (on any target)?
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15:51:32jhMikeSpondlife: what does the yield during Q_AUDIO_PLAY do for anything?
15:51:33preglowRaeNye: on iriver, yes
15:51:44amiconnRaeNye: On coldfire: yes, theoretically
15:51:45preglowRaeNye: only target i know for sure can do that
15:51:51amiconnNobody tried so far afaik
15:52:02amiconnOn archos: no
15:52:08amiconnOn iPod: Don't know
15:52:29preglowamiconn: people have tried so far, yes
15:52:38RaeNyeThere's a numerous applications that need a PCM recording/playback interface that is not file based
15:52:45preglowat least hubbel told me it worked
15:53:13preglowRaeNye: hell yes, i'm planning to do that myself once the recording interface is exposed to plugins and i have time
15:53:20RaeNyeFS #2566 (use player as a DSP / amplifier)
15:53:38RaeNyesome old FS about implementing fax/modem
15:53:45preglowhahaha
15:53:56preglowthat would kinda rock
15:53:58RaeNyeanswering machine FS (not on tracker yet...)
15:54:32RaeNyeI found GPL sources for a software implementation, but it has floating point.
15:54:45RaeNyecould use EMAC ops though
15:54:56amiconnHahaaaa - implement a soft modem using the audio i/f, and the connect the iriver to the internet...
15:55:16preglowRaeNye: that would rock pretty badly, actually
15:55:16preglowhahaha
15:55:24RaeNyeguitar tuner
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15:55:59pondlifejhMikeS: Not certain, but it is needed or voice can take over completely.
15:56:10mirak9amiconn would be intersting to have profiling working.
15:56:19pondlifeMaybe the queue with timeout should be waiting longer than 0 ticks
15:56:24amiconnProfiling should work on coldfire...
15:56:28pondlifeThat would probably be neater
15:56:29*amiconn never used it though
15:56:37RaeNyeI think I'll open a generic FS on having portable PCM record/playback API and have it as a requirement for all these.
15:56:56pondlife queue_wait_w_tmo(&voice_queue, &ev, 0); -> queue_wait_w_tmo(&voice_queue, &ev, 5) or somesuch
15:57:27RaeNyeamiconn: no internet... would you like script kiddies to buffer-overflow your /DAP/
15:57:36mirak9amiconn well when I tried h300 was crashing when starting mpegplayer plugin.
15:57:45RaeNyealso I don't want to have tcp/ip stack code ;-)
15:59:03mirak9amiconn maybe linuxstb could implement a time based benchmark. something like playing 30 seconds then stopping, showing fps.
15:59:40pondlifejhMikeS: I think I've fixed the mic problem.
15:59:49pondlifeNothing was calling pcm_play_stop
15:59:58pondlifepcmbuf_play_stop() even
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16:01:07pondlifeIf you add 3 lines into voice_stop(), after the call to mp3_play_stop:
16:01:10pondlife while (voice_is_playing)
16:01:10pondlife yield();
16:01:10pondlife pcmbuf_play_stop();
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16:02:59jhMikeSwhy should mp3_play_stop now do that?
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16:03:22pondlifeNot mp3_play_stop
16:04:16jhMikeSI know...was wondering why mp3_play_stop doesn't wait
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16:04:51pabouktheli_ua: I have tried your new zxbox build with 4bpp driver for h100s but it is not much faster unfortunately. 72% with frameskip 5.
16:04:53jhMikeSgonna test that out now though
16:05:19theli_uapabouk, almost the same that with grayscale? strange :(
16:05:42LinusNmp3_play_stop must not wait
16:05:59pondlifeBut voice_stop must
16:06:55pabouktheli_ua: yes, not much faster :( In fast mode it is 79%
16:08:02theli_uapabouk, what target do you have? h100 or h120 ?
16:08:06LinusNpondlife: or rather, audio_resume() must not wait or yield
16:08:20jhMikeSyes, it fixes it
16:08:27LinusNpondlife: because it is called in interrupt context
16:08:36RaeNyespeaking of zxbox, does it emulate every opcode separately?
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16:09:26RaeNye(and is the main CPU emulation even a bottleneck?)
16:09:50pondlifeOK, I'll update the patch
16:10:04pabouktheli_ua: h120, I have also noticed that the speed value slowly changes. i.e. it grows from 55% to 66% during 30 seconds and then it goes down again.
16:11:06theli_uapabouk, i'm sorry, but are you sure you're using my build? where did you put zxbox.rock ?
16:11:55theli_uatheli_ua, sorry... i see you can use play button now .. so that states you're using mine
16:12:06jhMikeSLinusN: we need important notes about context in the comments IMO. :)
16:12:18pabouktheli_ua: Yes, I am sure. It has 4 shades of grey now :) and the play button works.
16:12:32jhMikeSpondlife: remove my comments from voice_stop too since it is being "globally addressed"
16:12:45pondlifeOK
16:12:59pondlifeI assume I need the test in still.
16:13:10pondlifei.e. the current_codec test
16:13:47jhMikeSWell...can't post a message to it unless it is. You'll just have a stale message later.
16:14:04pondlifeYes, and the yield loop may never end!
16:14:17pondlifeWhich would be more of a problem
16:14:39theli_uapabouk, please, try http://theli.ho.com.ua/zxbox.rock (it has alternative way of passing the z80 processor
16:14:39theli_ua data to the z80 instruction emulation functions)
16:15:19*jhMikeS senses a need for rethinking the whole process...so messy, it is.
16:15:35*LinusN agrees
16:15:42LinusNgtg
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16:16:07RaeNyeis the Z80 emulation the bottleneck?
16:16:11*pondlife agrees too
16:16:34theli_uaRaeNye, we are trying find this out ;)
16:17:23RaeNyewhat's the speed percentage w/o writing anything to screen?
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16:18:40RaeNyeI thought yesterday about one dynamic recompilation feature that could be implemented without much complication
16:18:59RaeNyemore for rockboy, but could work for any emulator
16:19:07theli_uaRaeNye, well ... i can have 100% with 25fps (frameskip 1) on mini *with* screen output
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16:20:05RaeNyewhat is the mini's cpu freq?
16:20:39RaeNyeare you 100% boosted?
16:20:42amiconnRaeNye: There are beginnigs of dynamic recompilation for rockboy in CVS
16:20:56amiconnHCl did it, for coldfire
16:20:58theli_uaRaeNye, yes full-time boost
16:21:11amiconnIt's not yet working - too few opcodes actually implemented
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16:21:37RaeNyeI'll have a look. real dynamic-comp, with a subset of C compiler backend !?
16:21:51pabouktheli_ua: The speed did not change...
16:22:13theli_uapabouk, :( , doesn't have any effect on arm target too :(
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16:22:42RaeNyeI just thought of performing some online liveness analysis to avoid updating unnecessary flags/registers
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16:24:10pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6024 updated
16:24:22pondlifeLate lunch time
16:25:20RaeNyepondlife: just when I was about to check the pervious version on my X6 ...
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16:27:55theli_uapabouk, redownload http://theli.ho.com.ua/zxbox.rock please.. it has now no screen output
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16:33:13pondlifeRaeNye: Can you check the new one then?
16:33:13jhMikeS*in the order*
16:33:29RaeNyepondlife: compiling.
16:34:30pondlifeI've found a bug already.
16:34:40pondlifeBut it's almost there
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16:34:56RaeNyewhat should I check exactly?
16:34:57pondlifeReport back on Flyspray, I've got to eat..
16:34:58pabouktheli_ua: The screen output seems to be disabled completely so I do not see the speed measurement :)
16:35:19RaeNyethat recording generally works? with/without voice?
16:35:28theli_uapabouk, oops
16:35:35pondlifeJust make sure it doesn't crash , mainly! Recording and voice are the likely problem areas
16:35:54RaeNyeOK, will report.
16:36:05pondlifeBut going into recording screen can crash if the voiced filename is still being read out, I know about that one - so have a pin handy
16:36:30RaeNyeX5 usually doesn't need a pin for reset
16:36:33theli_uapabouk, i've fixed this, redownload please
16:36:45RaeNyelong (7-sec) OFF tends to work
16:37:02pondlifeUseful!
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16:43:34pabouktheli_ua: The highest speed shown was 85% but the value settled at 80% - pretty close to 79 in fast mode
16:44:07theli_uapabouk, so is speed close to one with screen output?
16:44:51JdGordonhaha, doom on the nano is retarted :D
16:45:01pabouktheli_ua: yes
16:46:21JdGordonno rockboy ont he nano? :'(
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16:48:00JdGordonscreen too small is it?
16:49:06theli_uaJdGordon, just none adopted rockboy for it
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17:15:29megoHi all! Im thinking about buying the iriver U10. Has there been any discussion about porting rockbox to that thingy?
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17:17:00fatherforkcan someone give me a brief overview of viewports?
17:19:23ArathisBagder: why does the cvs building system lag sometimes?
17:19:53Arathisfor example the last build is 10:00 but the last change in cvs was 14:55
17:22:32amiconnCommits for the manual don't trigger a rebuild
17:22:49amiconnIt wouldn't make sense
17:25:01Arathisamiconn: oops. didn't see they were for the manual. thanks
17:27:53mirak9I am not sure to understand why compensation of the motion is needed
17:29:11mirak9ok that's the oposite term of estimation for compresson
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17:46:54mirak9The coder subtracts the motion-compensated prediction from the source picture to form a 'prediction error' picture. The prediction error is transformed with the DCT, the coefficients are quantised and these quantised values coded using a VLC.
17:47:37mirak9huhu, only the pixel errors are coded
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17:49:00mirak9then at decoding, you just add the differences to the previous frame
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17:52:15markunmirak9: don't you transform the previous frame before you add this difference?
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18:02:57RaeNyemirak9: could you arrange your FS #5995 such that if DEBUG is #defined then coldfire asm optimizations would be disabled?
18:04:00RaeNyeI tried to do that but am not sure when #ifdef CPU_COLDFIRE is used for asm optimizations and when not.
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18:47:40mirakmarkun: transform to what ?
18:48:14MuggUcam i use both firmwares with the iriver h10?
18:49:23mirakmarkun: I don't know. I guess the block is translated then the error correction is done
18:49:34mirakby adding the errors
18:49:34ArathisMuggU: you cannot switch them/dual boot if you mean that
18:50:15MuggUhm.. will this work in the near future?
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20:10:45moozoohhi guys. a quick question for those who do some analog recording with their H300s. what would be better to get, an AA-driven 600 Ohm mic, or a passive 600 Ohm mic? which of them will be driven better, or there's no difference?
20:12:38peturan active mic or mic+preamp will give a higher signal, which is better because too much gain on h3x0 will introduce noise
20:12:53peturall depends on what you record of course
20:13:11peturif it's loud sounds, a plain mic will do too
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20:14:49moozoohwell, i need an all-purpose stereo mic that would be more tolerant to loud sounds than H300's default one. when i tried recording some live show, it sounded like a sheet of paper tearing up on all the loud sounds (especially bass attacks)
20:16:42moozooheven with very low gain value set on the player, my mic clipped just by itself (nothing really surprising, though).
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20:23:24rretzbachuh oh
20:23:26rretzbach:(((
20:23:47rretzbachmy mp3 player's hdd is just making weird noises.
20:23:50rretzbachIs it dead?
20:24:52rretzbachIts three years old and was used every day.
20:24:58nlscould be, does it work?
20:25:17rretzbachrockbox just started, but I could do anything, now it doesnt boot :>
20:25:25rretzbachWell it boots
20:25:35rretzbachhmmm
20:25:38rretzbachwait
20:25:45rretzbachI had that some time ago
20:25:47rretzbachthe akku!!!
20:25:52rretzbachmaybe it's getting old
20:26:12rretzbachlol yes
20:26:17rretzbachSorry to trouble me and you.
20:26:25nlsbatteries?
20:26:34rretzbachWhoa I just feared I have to buy a new player.
20:26:43rretzbachThe batterie was empty.
20:26:55nlsgood :)
20:27:07rretzbachThe hdd just started to run and went offline right away.
20:27:10rretzbachSeveral times.
20:27:14rretzbachSo i was in ph33r
20:28:58Davide-NYCmoozooh: you need a powered mic.
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20:30:12moozoohDavide-NYC: you mean a battery-driven? yeah, that's what i was going to buy.
20:30:28Davide-NYCyes
20:31:47moozoohsadly, there's only one mic available here that is not that bad, has stereo output, AA battery power and still doesn't cost that much. it's settled, then, thanks.
20:32:31peturmoozooh: I had the same problem (clipping due too bass-heavy music) and got a pair of cardoids + micamp
20:33:45moozoohtoo little time for me to search for a micamp, and i don't have the knowledge to assemble one myself. :\
20:34:13peturtry to find out the SPL they can handle before you buy!
20:34:22hcsany idea how I can test resuming with the simulator?
20:35:25peturmoozooh: I've wasted money trying to go for cheaper mics, only to find out they couldn't handle the soundpressure
20:36:46moozoohpetur: hmm, good point. i'll search for the exact specs of that mic now.
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20:47:35moozoohi'm thoroughly amazed. not only doesn't Philips give the specs on their own microphones, i can't even find the microphones section other than in the russian section of the site. %)
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21:11:31mirakuint32_t tmp = (uint16_t) (block[0] >> 1);
21:11:31mirak tmp |= tmp << 16;
21:11:53mirakI am trying to traduce that in asm.
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21:20:02mirakok forget that. I am writting non consecutive words
21:20:55webguest40How come my battiery keeps going so fast any options in rockbox to save battiery. In appls os ipod my battiery last longer much better
21:22:50nlswell lots of options affect battery life but the ipods have significantly shorter batterylife in rockbox.
21:24:01nlsAnd the reason for that is not all clear but a theory is that some hardware is left on while it should be switched off if anyone knew how
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21:25:06nlswebguest40, have you changed any settings from default?
21:25:11nlsoh
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21:32:46dionoeahello world
21:33:01nlshello dionoea :)
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21:36:47peturgrrr... when recording, it takes almost 3 seconds between a keypress and the backlight going on
21:37:01petur(recording in wav)
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21:38:48moozoohpetur: the whole internet is silent on the SPL value for that mic, the only thing i've found is its sensitivity value (stated as "-45 dB"), but i suppose it's not the same thing.
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21:39:50peturmaybe you can try asking at http://www.taperssection.com but they're more into high-end gear
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21:46:35*petur is looking at some very weird waveforms
21:47:07mirakdamn I gained 1 fps
21:47:16mirakwith a tweak on idct
21:47:32nlsisn't that good?
21:47:34mirakI use the same shortcut they use in the C version
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21:48:13miraknls: yes
21:48:52nlsso how's the fps on 224x178 nowadays?
21:49:43nls*224x176
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22:01:56miraknls: it reachs 25.0 when the guy put is head out of the water reflection in the intro generic
22:02:10mirakand can go down to 22 or 23
22:02:38mirakhem that's on 224*128
22:02:46mirak224x176 is more around 18
22:02:50nlsThat's nice :)
22:03:36nlsand btw is the screen fast enough? eg. do you see the difference between say 15 and 20 and 25 fps?
22:03:56mirakit seems it doesn't go below 23.2 for 224x176
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22:04:17miraknls: yes on smaller videos it goes at 45 fps
22:04:43mirak160x96 runs at 46 fps
22:05:14mirakthe screen is really not the limit
22:06:14nlsthere was some speculation a while ago that the h300 screen was too slow to do faster video than the 10fps that the OF does.
22:06:53nlsdoes mpegplayer have frame limiting?
22:07:05nlsor rather framerate limiting?
22:08:44nlsseems it does, nice
22:09:06mirakin fact this speculations were blown after seeing doom
22:09:20mirakat least for me
22:09:31nlsright, never tried doom myself
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22:46:33moozoohpetur: i've made a post at the taperssection.com, waiting for replies (not that they would affect my decision under these circumstances, but it's nice to at least be infirmed). thanks for your help.
22:46:50moozoohinformed*
22:47:48peturgood
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22:49:16moozoohin any case, such a mic is much better than the default one.
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23:20:18bgmrkok i need help!
23:20:50bgmrkne1 home?
23:21:09peturdepends
23:21:22bgmrkon what?
23:21:31bgmrk:p
23:21:41peturif we can read your text
23:21:49petur:p
23:22:05bgmrkhaha
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23:22:09bgmrkwell i asumme u can
23:22:13bgmrkANYWAys
23:22:37bgmrksome basic questions...cause i've been trying to get this to work for the past few nights
23:22:44bgmrkdoes rockbox need linux on ipod?
23:22:55peturno
23:23:02peturjust the bootloader
23:23:08bgmrkok
23:23:25bgmrkand...is there a BASIC step by step guide to get this all to work..and what to download
23:23:29bgmrkand where to put what
23:23:35peturyes - see wiki
23:23:40peturipodport
23:23:40bgmrkok
23:24:27peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort
23:25:00bgmrkahhh ty
23:25:50bgmrki can switch between rockbox and apple firmware right?
23:26:47hcsyes
23:27:24mirakis moving a registry to another considered a store or is it only when you move to memory ?
23:27:39bgmrkkk....and....i assume it supports the newest update for 5g ipod?
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23:28:11hcsthat I don't know, I only have a 4g
23:28:38bgmrkoo ok
23:29:09bgmrkwell if ne1 in here has a 5g ipod....does rockbox work with newest update? or should i downgrade?
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23:31:29bgmrko well i'll just try it woithout downgrading :P
23:31:49linuxstb_bgmrk: Yes, afaik Rockbox works with the latest update.
23:32:28bgmrkok ty
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23:33:05bgmrkis it ok to put it into diskmode b4 i connect it...
23:34:06linuxstb_Yes, it makes no difference.
23:34:43bgmrkok
23:36:17hcsis there any point in all these i=CODEC_ERROR; goto exit; things, why not just return CODEC_ERROR?
23:37:14bluebrotherbgmrk, try http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
23:37:58miraklinuxstb: is moving a registry to another considered a store or is it only when you move to memory ? They say in the manual that a store stalls the store for 2 cycles.
23:38:13markunhcs: don't understand that as well
23:38:39markunhcs: in wav.c both methods are used even
23:38:39linuxstb_hcs: I'm guessing it's historical. I agree it makes no sense.
23:38:47miraklinuxstb: page 64 in MCF5249UM.pdf
23:38:52bgmrkgrrrrr
23:39:20bgmrkwhen i type in ipodpatcher 0 in cmd...it says drive is not an iPod aborting.....
23:39:33bgmrki have it set to C:\rockbox
23:39:41bgmrkand i have the ipodpatcher.exe in that folder
23:39:53bluebrotherthen I guess 0 is the wrong number.
23:40:06hcslinuxstb_: I was thinking maybe to consolidate the function exit stuff, but it doesn't really take up much space
23:40:18bgmrkgrrr ok 1 sec..think i got it
23:40:24linuxstb_mirak: I've never done Coldfire ASM, but I've always thought a store was by definition a copy from register to memory.
23:40:38bluebrotherthe procedure is described in the manual.
23:40:57bgmrkhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
23:41:01bluebrotheryou need to find out the correct number of your player. This is mostly try-and-error.
23:41:08bgmrkthats what i'm using to install
23:41:23linuxstb_bgmrk: What drive letter does your ipod appear as in Windows?
23:41:33bgmrkg
23:41:44bgmrkooo
23:41:46bgmrki get it...
23:41:52bgmrk7
23:42:05bgmrknope didn't work
23:42:19bluebrotherI'd also suggest you to read the pdf manual. At least when rockbox is running.
23:42:26bgmrkok
23:42:29linuxstb_Just follow the instructions - start with 0 and work up...
23:43:01bluebrotherlinuxstb_, what is that number reflecting? The hard drive number windows addigns in the disk manager?
23:43:42bluebrother*assigns
23:44:29linuxstb_Something like that.. I don't know how Windows does things.
23:45:19bluebrotherI thought you wrote ipodpatcher ...
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23:46:04linuxstb_I did...
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23:46:47bgmrk1grrr
23:46:53linuxstb_Copy-and-paste coding... I took the raw disk access routines from a different application, combined them with some of Rockbox's disk handling code and came up with ipodpatcher.
23:47:11bgmrk1ok soo i reacher ipodpatcher 26...and still nothing...and my ipod is set as a drive
23:47:24bluebrotherah, ok.
23:47:42bgmrk1ne suggestions
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23:47:50bluebrotherne?
23:47:57bluebrotherwhat does this mean?
23:48:03bgmrk1any
23:48:07bgmrk1sorry i use to much slang
23:48:20bgmrk1i'll try to use full words
23:48:33bluebrothermost users in this channel aren't native english speakers ... (like me)
23:48:53bluebrotherhmm. You could try looking for the ipod in the disk manager
23:48:58amiconnbgmrk: Yes, the number reflects the hard drive number in the disk manager. Not the drive letter
23:49:07bgmrk1ok
23:50:07bgmrk1got it!!
23:50:07bgmrk1haha
23:50:24amiconndrive letters are for partitions (and since Win2000, they are optional). Disk numbers are for physical disks
23:51:21bluebrotherdrive letters are optional? How can I access a drive without a drive letter?
23:51:50dionoeayou can mount drives like on linux with NTFS i think
23:52:19linuxstb_ipodpatcher uses the name "\\.\PhysicalDriveN" (where N is the drive number) to access the drive.
23:52:21bluebrotherI know of that mount possibility, but does this work for drives without a letter? I thought that drive still needed a letter.
23:52:25dionoea(i'm not sure if it's NTFS related ... or just windows XP)
23:52:32amiconnYou can mount a drive into an (NTFS) folder
23:52:42amiconnThe parent drive needs to be NTFS
23:52:43miraklinux in ubuntu is going to use the UUID of disk. this way you can change the channel or master/slave
23:53:00bluebrotherah, nice. I still thought this needed an additional drive letter.
23:53:02amiconnThe mounted drive can be NTFS or FAT, doesn't matter
23:53:33preglowdoes anyone know if gcc ever reduces a sin() call to a simple sin assembly instruction on targets that support it?
23:53:39preglowi just had a look at libm and nearly vomited
23:53:45linuxstb_bgmrk1: So is it working now?
23:53:48amiconnThe founding NTFS feature is called reparse points, and can be used for other neat stuff than just mounting disks
23:55:20bgmrk1ok so i did everything in step 1...
23:55:47bgmrk1last line i see is rockboot.bin: no such file or directory
23:55:50bgmrk1is that good?
23:56:00mirakamiconn: does the 2cycle stall after a store reminds you something ?
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23:56:07bgmrk1this is after typing in "ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin
23:56:08bgmrk1"
23:56:50bluebrotherthe ipodpatcher -w line?
23:57:05bgmrk1yea
23:57:17bgmrk1and i disconnected my ipod and it didn't restart :S
23:57:32linuxstb_No, that message isn't good...
23:57:45bgmrk1o dear...
23:57:53bgmrk1so should i start over?
23:57:58bgmrk1whiping my ipod yet again
23:58:03linuxstb_No.
23:58:05dionoeayour ipod is *dead*
23:58:05bgmrk1ok
23:58:07dionoeahahaha
23:58:08bluebrotherdid the ipod_fw step before produce any errors?
23:58:12*dionoea hides
23:58:17bgmrk1not that i saw

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