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#rockbox log for 2006-09-23

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00:24:34SkramXSounds cool.. rockbox, that is. Going to install it on my nano soon :)
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00:32:44Davide-NYCQuestion: how can I change the default directory for storing recorded files? (H1x0)
00:33:07Davide-NYCI've tried every ley press and there isnothing in the manual about it.
00:33:11Davide-NYC*key
00:34:01SkramXquestion: how do i unmount it and then format it to FAT32?
00:34:28SkramXif i unmount it i cant do "dd"
00:36:17SkramXill try again
00:36:18SkramXone sec
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00:37:38SkramXmark-s-computer:/Users/mark root# dd if=/Users/mark/Desktop/mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/disk1
00:37:41SkramXdd: /dev/disk1: Resource busy
00:38:18zeis disk1 the right device?
00:38:22hcsI think you're backwards there, you shouldn't be able to dd to it unless it *isn't* mounted
00:38:41SkramXone sec
00:38:52SkramX/dev/disk1s3 on /Volumes/Mark S’s iPod (local, nodev, nosuid, journaled)
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00:39:16SkramXnow i can just tell it to eject (but not disconnect the cord), right hcs / ze ?
00:39:46hcsI suppose so, if that's what you want to do, what do you want to do?
00:39:53SkramX?
00:39:57linuxstb_unmount and eject are different things. You need to unmount it.
00:40:16SkramXOh Okay
00:40:34linuxstb_But you don't use dd on Mac OS X anyway...
00:40:42linuxstb_What instructions are you following?
00:40:42zeoh
00:40:46zeosx... no wonder i was confused :p
00:40:51zei was like wtf is eject :p
00:41:04SkramXhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX#Convert_an_iPod_from_HFS_to_FAT3
00:41:24SkramXI only have a linux laptop and OS X mac mini
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00:42:42SkramXlinuxstb_: ?
00:42:48linuxstb_You need to do "diskutil umount /dev/disk1s3" to unmount it.
00:42:53SkramXoh
00:42:57hcslinuxstb_: I found a codec-side fix that I'm going to use rather than try to fix the playback code
00:43:28SkramXlinuxstb_: just FYI, s/umount/unmount
00:43:29KalthareHm, I put in a debugf() routine, and I'm seeing errors from the FAT code about the disk not having 512-byte sectors.
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00:45:58linuxstb_SkramX: OK, thanks. There's a mistake in that wiki page then...
00:46:02SkramX:)
00:46:04SkramXuhmm
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00:48:55SkramXat http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX#e_Copy_out_the_firmware_partitio , I am stuck as the one for the ipod nano that i have is 14.5.2 and it says i need 14.5.1... big deal
00:49:00SkramX*?
00:50:43linuxstb_That should be fine.
00:51:44Kaltharelinuxstb_: Any idea what can be done about this? Is this gonna take a huge amount of work?
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00:51:55linuxstb_But if that's the 1.2 version of the Nano firmware, you'll need to do the actual installation slightly differently to how it's described in that wiki page - Apple changed things, and that wiki page hasn't been updated.
00:52:15SkramXhow do i know?
00:52:39linuxstb_Kalthare: No, I'm not sure what needs to be done.
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00:53:04Kaltharelinuxstb_: Okay, well, thanks. I'll keep plugging away at it and see what I can come up with.
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00:54:12SkramXill have to do this later
00:54:13SkramXpeace all
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00:55:18SoapSkramX - read the Windows instructions for the nano v1.2 firmware, and I think you'll figure out what to do on Mac.
00:56:38*amiconn wonders whether the disk really has 2048-byte sectors, or whether this is faked by the UMS driver part in the ipod.
00:57:05amiconnKalthare: Is this the original partioning the ipod came with?
00:57:08SoapKalthare said the partition table looks consistant with 2048-byte secots.
00:57:34amiconnSoap: Yes, but that partition was probably made via USB
00:57:37Soap(if someone is willing to PM me the issue this creates, I'm curious)
00:58:01KalthareI didn't partition it manually. I formatted it with iTunes.
00:58:18amiconnhmm
00:59:48*amiconn is curious what would happen if you try to reformat the data partiton manually
00:59:56KalthareI'm trying to get the debug messages from the bootloader. I hit a snag, because putting in an infinite loop seems to make GCC optimize out something important.
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01:00:57SkramXso i just found out i have access to a Windows laptop
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01:01:15SkramXall i need to do is install itunes and plug in my ipod and it will detect and format it for windows itunes?
01:01:43Soap?
01:01:56SoapI thought you were trying to install Rockbox?
01:01:58linuxstb_SkramX: Yes, Windows itunes will format it as FAT.
01:02:03SoapYou don't need itunes in your life.
01:02:03SkramXokay
01:02:19Soapoh, sorry, I missed the part where it was an HFS ipod.
01:02:25SkramXSoap: first i need itunes or to myself format FAT32
01:02:26SkramXright :)
01:02:44SkramXso I can go format it on windows then plug it into mac osx and even if itunes starts up it will stay fat32?
01:02:50Soapyes
01:02:54SkramXawesome
01:02:55SkramXbrb :()
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01:15:12XavierGrhmm I think that it is about time to flash my H140 with rockbox
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01:18:13dpassenXavierGr: join the club
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01:18:32SkramXokay
01:18:34SkramXdone
01:18:43SkramXnow how do i confirm it is really FAT32
01:19:16linuxstb_Can you use it in Windows?
01:19:22XavierGrdpassen: I am reading the instructions right now
01:19:34SkramXi didnt try really
01:19:40SkramXbut it ereased it so it should
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01:23:29SkramXnow it wont stay on disk use mod
01:23:30SkramXe
01:24:07SkramXok think it worked this time
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01:25:42SoapMany people have asked for a basic ebook/HTML/pdf viewer on Rockbox. I was thinking maybe porting a Plucker reader would be more reasonable. Not only is it opensource, it is designed from the ground up to display texts (marked up and not) on a variety of small screens colour and B/W.
01:26:38FebsSeems to me that would be a useful feature.
01:27:16SoapIt was designed with the PalmPilot in mind, which I believe means it must be fixed point???
01:28:10zei'm not sure why such a thing would use floating point anyway
01:29:00zeor anything but intigers
01:29:08SoapIt (plucker reader) requires conversion on the PC side of things, but I think that is very reasonable to expect, and there are plenty of official and third party conversion programs out there to sync webpages, RSS feeds, etc.
01:31:21SkramX./diskdump -w /dev/disk1 rockboot.bin
01:31:21SkramXThis command will complete quite quickly, but if you look at your iPod, you will see that the disk icon is still spinning in the corner. DO NOT disconnect your ipod yet.
01:31:30SkramXit has been going for at least 60 seconds for me
01:31:40SkramXthe command that is
01:31:46SkramX:\
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01:36:28RaeNyeI'm trying to compile a .wma enabled build (x5, normal or sim) and get a "make couldn't make 'button-target.h' needed by 'libwma/wmadeci.o' "
01:36:34RaeNyeany idea why?
01:36:45RaeNye(wma - FS #4984)
01:37:49XavierGrwell I am now officially "flashed"!
01:38:07XavierGrit is rather easy to flash the unit
01:38:12XavierGrwell done to Slasheri
01:40:10SkramXdamn it something happened and i have to restore the ipid
01:40:15SkramXwill it reformat it again?
01:40:38dpassenXavierGr: Love the quick boot
01:41:06SkramXdamn it.. it is.
01:41:08SkramXokay
01:41:14SkramXi have to go reformat and do this all over again.
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01:41:51XavierGrdpassen: previously I had a boot up time around 5 seconds
01:42:02XavierGrdpassen: now it is around 4 seconds
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01:44:53dpassenThat's it?
01:46:42SkramXmark-s-computer:~ mark$ diskutil unmount /dev/disk1
01:46:42SkramXmark-s-computer:~ mark$ dd if=/Users/mark/Desktop/mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/disk1
01:46:42SkramXdd: /dev/disk1: Resource busy
01:46:42DBUGEnqueued KICK SkramX
01:46:42SkramXmark-s-computer:~ mark$
01:46:44SkramX?
01:46:59dpassenI haven't done any measurements, but I thought it felt like a larger improvemtn
01:47:33SkramXfinally got it right
01:50:37XavierGrdpassen: well rockbox is quite fast even from disc
01:50:46dpassenIndeed
01:51:00XavierGrdpassen but I guess that there are some more advantages with dircache while from flash
01:51:20dpassenI hadn't even tried tagcache until I flashed, it's nice sometimes.
01:52:55Soapwhen is dircache not nice?
01:53:12dpassenI was talking about tagcache, I always use dircache
01:53:13Soapnever fricking mind, you said tagcache dpassen.
01:53:25CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:53:25*Soap goes to get his eyes checked.
01:55:33SkramXI installed the boot loader, ejected my ipod, and it goes to an Apple screen then says that it needs to be restored
01:55:37SkramXL:
01:55:40SkramX* :\
01:55:57SkramX"Use iTunes to restore"
01:56:46SkramXand it doesnt mount normally either :I(
01:59:35linuxstb_Did you do the extra step needed for the 1.2 Nano?
01:59:42SkramXOh
01:59:44SkramXNope
01:59:50SkramXI dont know what version I have, sorry
01:59:52SkramXI totally forgot
01:59:55SkramXwhat do I need ot od?
01:59:57SkramX*to do
02:00
02:02:41SkramXi'd appreciate the help when you get a chance
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02:02:54SkramXthanks, linuxstb_
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02:04:12linuxstb_SkramX: As Soap said earlier, read the installation from Windows instructions - those will tell you what you need to do on your Mac.
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02:16:21KalthareI just reformatted the partition with a 512-byte logical sector size, and now Linux won't even mount it. FAT: logical sector size too small for device (logical sector size = 512)
02:18:12KalthareIs there a chance this quadruple-sector problem is what's giving ipodpatcher so much trouble?
02:19:13linuxstb_Probably. ipodpatcher uses the Rockbox code to parse the partition table.
02:21:41KalthareI'm gonna go get some food. I'll keep trying at this problem, but I really think it's bigger than me. :(
02:25:45rigelwho even listens to the radio anyway?
02:25:55rigeli have an h10. it does in fact have a radio
02:26:54rigellooks like noones said anything about the h10 since i was jibbering about the last 3 days' builds screwing up the screen?
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02:47:45barrywardellrigel: try resetting your settings
02:48:49bgmrkhe left
02:48:54bgmrkapparently he can't wait for help
02:49:58rigeli didnt leave
02:50:09bgmrkoo opps
02:50:16bgmrkmy bad
02:51:02SkramXCannot open firmware image file apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin
02:51:04SkramX?
02:51:36rigelwhere do i reset them?
02:51:42SkramXoh
02:51:44SkramXmu nad!
02:52:03rigeland did the buttons change again?
02:52:10rigelthe buttons are swapped it seems
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02:53:26barrywardellrigel: in Manage Settings in the menu
02:54:19rigelyou need to step me through it, because i cant navigate this for shit
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02:55:18rigelnm, i got it
02:55:29rigelbut "upside down" is both upside down AND mirrored
02:55:34rigelinstead of simply upside down
02:56:42barrywardellyes, i know. that will be fixed
02:56:47rigelok
02:57:25rigelany progress on the scrollpad?
02:57:37barrywardellno
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02:57:50rigelheh
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03:38:51Captain_Ahow can i run my c files
03:38:56Captain_Alike to see if it works
03:39:06Captain_Aor what it actually doezx
03:40:33scorcheyou would have to compile them...
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03:49:11Captain_Aits been compiled
03:49:15Captain_Ait is a .c file
03:49:48scorchethat doesnt mean it is compiled...
03:50:15Captain_Athats what the tut said
03:50:23Captain_Ai typed it into the compiled
03:50:26Captain_Athen hit compile
03:50:42scorchewhat compiler?
03:50:56Captain_ADev C++
03:51:04Captain_Awww.bloodshed.net
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03:52:11Captain_Aso it isn't compiled?
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04:05:41Greekohello
04:06:03Captain_Ahello
04:06:06Greekodoes anyone have RockBox installed on a Video iPod that has/had the newest firmware on it (Version 1.2)
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04:23:52Greekoalright
04:23:54Greekothanks anyways
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05:11:27zardoz1138can someone tell me how to get the Irocker wps to work
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05:12:26zardoz1138hello
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05:19:24zardozcan someone tell me how to get the irocker theme to work correctly
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05:20:40zardozis anyone out here
05:23:14aliaskWhat's the problem
05:23:37Davide-NYCI found a bug (I think)
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05:26:15zardozcan someone tell me how to get he irocker wps theme to work
05:26:33Soapwhat is wrong?
05:27:04Soapfrom what you've told me, for all I know you are trying to get it to work on an Archos.
05:28:47zardozsoap are u responding to my question?
05:29:16zardozi have an Ipod 5g
05:31:58Soapok, so in what way isn't it working?
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05:35:36hav0khey, how do i know where my eyepod is located? like, /dev/sda or what not
05:36:11pagefaultwhat desktop environment are you using
05:36:22pagefaultusually it's in /meda/sd<something>
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05:36:27pagefaultand it will show up on your desktop
05:36:57hav0kim using gnome (ubuntu) and under /media it's ipod
05:37:09hav0kit's on my desktop, its mounted
05:37:26pagefaultif you go to the desktop and type df
05:37:29pagefaultit will tell you the mounts
05:37:32pagefaultand where they are located
05:37:36hav0kokay, cooool
05:37:58hav0kdoes /dev/sdb2 sound right?
05:38:07pagefaultthat sounds right
05:38:19hav0kalright, cool
05:38:25pagefaultit's completely random
05:38:33hav0kand is there anything else i should know outside of the instructions on the site
05:38:59pagefaultcouldn't tell you with an ipod
05:39:02pagefaultI have an iriver
05:39:07hav0kand will i still be able to put stuff on it
05:39:22hav0kdo i need any special programs or anything, or can i just move the files right to the eyepod
05:39:24pagefaultI assume you just copy the music over
05:39:40hav0kokay, is that how the iriver works
05:39:48pagefaultyes
05:39:48hav0kthat's what i was guessing too
05:39:59pagefaultmake a folder in the root called music
05:40:04pagefaultand put your things there
05:40:11hav0kdo you like rockbox more than the iriver firmware?
05:40:16pagefaultyes much more
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05:40:35hav0kcool, yeah, i want to change it up, and it sounded like there was alot more too it, audio wise
05:40:46hav0kdoes it have to be in my root?
05:40:48pagefaultI finally get ogg support on my h10
05:40:51hav0kcause i have it in my home directory
05:41:01hav0kyeah, ogg support is the main reason im doing it
05:41:35pagefaultusually root but I would read the manual to be honest
05:41:43hav0kokay
05:41:47pagefaultI have heard ipods are slightly different
05:41:57pagefaultI don't want to brick your shiny ipod
05:42:02hotsodaanyone interested in the zune?
05:42:24hav0kim a little interested, they look pretty neat
05:42:35hav0kmy eyepod isnt shiny
05:42:41hav0kand it's working kinda crappy lately
05:42:54hav0kit freezes like onces a day
05:42:56pagefaulti've honestly never used one
05:43:12hotsodaan ipod?
05:43:18pagefaultthe UI reminds me of an old mac
05:43:23hav0kyeah, its a pain, so im hoping this will be better
05:43:34hav0kand plus, i like messing with different stuff
05:43:38hav0khence, why i have linux
05:43:43volti forget if it was Scorche or Shapre (I think Scorche) but whichever did the ipod thing with keybank, anything happen from that yet?
05:44:01hav0khuh?
05:44:08hav0ki need more context volt
05:44:10pagefaultsome other fellow here had ipl on it here
05:44:31hav0kipodlinux
05:44:49hav0kyeah, i was reading somewhere that they put ipodlinux on it and then put rockbox on it, and it was supposed to be easier
05:44:57hav0kbut i like the idea of doing it straight up
05:45:04pagefaultwith my iriver it was easy
05:45:06hotsodaive used ipod linux on my 4g
05:45:07volthav0k there was some offer key had in late august to early september where if you open a keybank acct you get a free ipod, just throwing that question out there to see if he's at his computer or something :)
05:45:17pagefaultI just deleted some files and replaced the bootloader and rebooted
05:45:46hav0koh
05:45:51hotsodahonestly the interface is a lot better than rockbox's, but it had trouble playing my mp3 files at high bitrates
05:46:18pagefaultbut I did flash it to a USB mass storage device from MTP device
05:46:23pagefaultI hate that media player crap
05:46:30hav0kah
05:46:54pagefaultso it's like a korean h10 now
05:46:56pagefaultbut in english
05:47:07hav0khaha
05:47:25pagefaultthe EU has a volume limit on it
05:47:29pagefaultthanks to some stupid french law
05:47:43hav0kso is it best to just follow the instructions on the site? am i supposed to format it?
05:48:03Soaponly need to format it if it is not FAT32
05:48:08Soapie, HFS+
05:48:15Soapthey came in no other FS
05:48:52hav0kim pretty sure its already fat32
05:49:50hav0kjust kidding, its in vfat
05:49:59pagefaultsame thing?
05:50:05hav0ki dont know
05:50:34hav0k"windows virtual fat"
05:50:39Soapvfat isn't a filesystem, it is
05:50:41Soapyeah
05:50:54Soapthat's cool
05:50:58hav0kso i should format it?
05:50:59hav0kno?
05:51:04Soapno need
05:51:08hav0kalright, cool
05:51:12Soapyou can put your music wherever you want.
05:51:33SoapThe only reason it would be more complicated than that is if you are using tagcache.
05:51:43hav0ktagcache?
05:52:08pagefaultlets you browse by id3 tags
05:52:13hav0koh
05:52:14Soapa tag-based database of tracks, much like (but not the same as) the ipod's native database view.
05:52:15pagefaultbut you need to build the db
05:52:25hav0kokay
05:52:33pagefaultor wait for the player to do it
05:52:39hav0kso do i need to do anything before i install the bootloader?
05:53:00hav0kextract the apple firmware
05:53:10Soapfollow the instructions to the letter
05:53:12Soapread the manual
05:53:16hav0kokay
05:53:31hav0kwhat do you mean by manual? the instructions
05:53:32Soapsearch the forums for any questions, that kind of thing.
05:53:37SoapThe manual
05:53:47Soapnot the wiki instructions, though you should start ther.
05:53:49Soap*there
05:53:57SoapThere is a proper manual also.
05:54:50hav0koh, okay, ill look for it... im using the instructions off the home page
05:55:02pagefaultwell good luck with it
05:55:12SoapClick "daily builds" link on the left side of the www.rockbox.org website, and there is a pdf manual link under each targert, and also a manual link at the bottom of the page for html formatted, etc.
05:55:21pagefaultif you follow them you should have no problem
05:55:35hav0kokay
05:55:36pagefaultjust read them very carefully
05:55:57hav0kokay
05:56:05hav0kyeah dont want to mess up my ipod
05:56:31pagefaultI wonder if it's possible actually
05:56:44hav0khaha, to mess up my ipod?
05:56:53pagefaultdo you do any flashing?
05:57:09hotsodaas long as you can mount it, you can't really brick it
05:57:23hav0ki dont do any flashing
05:57:45pagefaultah
05:57:50pagefaultthats pretty cool then
05:58:06*Soap got arrested in 1985 for doing some flashing to Jodi Foster.
05:58:12hav0khahaha
05:58:31pagefaultI think i've used iriver system software restore like 3498349 times now
05:58:47hav0kcause of rockbox?
05:58:57pagefaultfrom formatting the device
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05:59:08pagefaultclean format
05:59:18pagefaultinstall base system firmware
05:59:24pagefaultoverwrite it with rockbox
05:59:29pagefaulthave fun
05:59:40hav0kill try
05:59:41hav0khaha
05:59:48hav0ki might be back on here if i get confused
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06:00:02pagefaultthe USA firmware util doesn't recognize my player anymore
06:00:05pagefaultI have to use the asian one now
06:00:08pagefaultI love it
06:00:13hav0khaha
06:00:39pagefaultwas all done on purpose though
06:00:44pagefaultMTP is an evil protocol
06:01:43pagefaultthe MTP guys are pretty screwed when they use rockbox they have to take out the battery to sync their much with rockbox
06:01:50pagefaultand boot in emergency mode
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06:08:25pagefaultthis is so awful converting C++ to C
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06:21:38hav0khey, i was following the instructins in the manual
06:21:45hav0kand i got to this part about doing:
06:22:01hav0kdd if-/dev/sdb of-mbr.bin count-1
06:22:27hav0kbut it says dd: unrecongnised operand 'if-/dev/sdb/
06:22:58hav0kany ideas?
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06:27:08hav0kanyone still here?
06:27:51hav0koh, nm
06:28:25hav0kha, i got a segmentation fault
06:30:07hav0kwhen im backing this stuff up, where is it puting it?
06:30:25pagefaultuh
06:30:27pagefaultno idea
06:30:32pagefaultbecause I am ipodless
06:30:38hav0koh, okay
06:30:46pagefaultusually when I have firmware problems
06:30:51hav0kdid you not have to extract anything?
06:30:53pagefaultit was because the file didn't transfer properly
06:30:57pagefaultI copied it again
06:30:58hav0koh
06:30:58pagefaultand it workd
06:31:01pagefaultit worked
06:31:16pagefaultso
06:31:18pagefaultit worked
06:31:22pagefaulttry that
06:31:28pagefaultmaybe it was just a usb foobar
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06:31:43hav0kyeah, i dont know
06:32:00hav0kim just trying to figure out where this stuff got backuped to
06:33:16hav0khaha, oh, to my home directory, cause that's where im working from
06:36:06pagefaultah
06:36:09pagefaultit worked
06:36:09pagefault?
06:36:10pagefaulthaha
06:36:16pagefaultdo you have a .rockbox
06:36:22pagefaultI have no knowledge of ipod rockbox
06:37:39hav0kno, i just saved the bootpartition.bin
06:38:02hav0kim trying to do this next step, but im getting a "Cannot open output file apple_os.bin"
06:38:05hav0kerror
06:38:47hav0khmm, i wish there was someone with ipod that could kinda point me in the right direction
06:43:09pagefaultwell someone will show up
06:43:13pagefaultor post on the forums
06:43:29pagefaultright now I am trying to get this SPC codec working
06:43:43pagefaultand how to get the second ARM working on my H10
06:43:48pagefaultso I can play at full speed
06:44:15pagefaultmaybe it is working I am not sure
06:44:23pagefaultit's skipping for some songs
06:45:14hav0kthat sucks
06:45:17pagefaultI like want to just start writing ARM assembly
06:45:28hav0kmore power to you
06:45:29pagefaultbut that will piss off the guys with the non ARM players
06:45:39hav0kim not very knowledgable in code and stuff
06:45:49pagefaultwell I work on zsnes
06:45:52hav0ki know a little c and that's it
06:45:54hav0kyou do?
06:45:55pagefaultso SPC is a walk in the park
06:45:58pagefaultyeah
06:46:01hav0kthats cool... i use it some
06:46:16pagefaultnot using our SPC core though since it's all x86 asm
06:46:19pagefaultusing a friend's
06:46:20hav0ki have zsnes and the port of snes9x
06:46:39Quazgaazsnes is sweet
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06:46:53pagefaultif I get this working right NSF is next
06:46:53hav0ki think it works better on linux, for me atleast
06:47:15hav0koh hey Quazgaa, do you know anything about ipods?
06:47:20hav0kand this rockbox installation thing?
06:47:33pagefaultI really suck at this rockbox coding thing though
06:47:41pagefaultI am not familiar with the code
06:47:43Quazgaai dont know anything about ipods
06:47:47hav0kah
06:47:50hav0kthat's cool
06:47:51pagefaultI am just putting my code everywhere
06:47:55pagefaultit's a mess
06:49:06pagefaultI have no idea why no one finished the module player
06:49:15pagefaultthe library compiles perfectly once you make the folders for it
06:51:08hav0kswitching to root did it
06:51:25Quazgaaheh
06:51:30Quazgaanow that i could have told you ;p
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07:26:13KalthareDammit, I'm losing my stack pointer somewhere in fat_mount() :(
07:32:54QuazgaaKalthare: sounds like a bad date
07:36:53KalthareQuazgaa: yes, thank you, that's very damn helpful
07:38:24zeKalthare: it would've been if you relaxed and laughed and let it give you pause for a moment
07:38:27ze:p
07:43:59KalthareThat's not exactly my style of comedy.
07:45:38midkayit amused me!
07:46:01zeheh
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07:57:55RaiderXcan someone add me to the wikiuser group so i can add my theme to the theme page?
07:58:22midkaysurely!
07:58:26midkayyour username?
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07:58:32RaiderXAnthonyRussell
07:58:40RaiderXthanks
07:59:09scorcheRaiderX: i added you, and said so in the forums...
07:59:15RaiderXi saw
07:59:19RaiderXbut u didnt add me
07:59:20RaiderX:/
07:59:35RaiderXi get that error and it doesnt show me in the list
07:59:35scorchedid too >_>
07:59:36midkaytwo Ls, scorche. you put "russel".
07:59:41RaiderXlol
07:59:44scorchebah!
07:59:56midkayi fixed it for you.
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08:00:01RaiderXk thanks
08:00:04scorcheT_T
08:00:09RaiderXdont worry, even i typo my own name
08:00:10scorchesee what i mean?
08:00:20scorcheuseless and a burden on society =(
08:00:26midkaywhat, you?
08:00:37scorcheof course!
08:00:38RaiderXon the other theme page it says "Athoyn Russell"
08:00:43RaiderXlol
08:00:48midkayhaha.
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08:24:11RaiderXhey i attached my file to the wiki and it shows a box that says the attachment in it at the bottom of the page now.. how do i upload w/o getting that there?
08:25:07RaiderXor is is supposed ot be there?
08:25:17RaiderXoh wait
08:25:19RaiderXnvm
08:25:22RaiderXim stupid
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08:25:42RaiderXk cya all
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10:22:53Dj_Killa_KillHello all
10:23:23KalthareHi
10:23:30Dj_Killa_Kill;) Hi
10:23:41Dj_Killa_KillSo is any1 here good with patching RockBox?
10:23:46Dj_Killa_KillI feel in the dark
10:24:05hcswhaddya need?
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10:24:30Dj_Killa_Killsorry
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10:24:44Dj_Killa_KillI need help with the DevKit, I cant find a copy
10:24:55hcswhat os are you running?
10:25:04Dj_Killa_KillWinXP Pro
10:25:12Dj_Killa_KillIm new at this open code stuff
10:25:19scorcheDj_Killa_Kill: what "devkit" are you talking about?
10:25:24hcsI point you here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment
10:25:36Dj_Killa_KillI got that
10:25:40scorchehcs: point him to VMware instead ;)
10:25:53Dj_Killa_Killbut the ../tools/configure comand dont work :(
10:26:08hcsdid you check out the source from CVS?
10:26:08scorche...as i said...
10:26:26Dj_Killa_KillI downloaded it from the page
10:26:55hcsand you extracted it, and you're in something like rockbox/build?
10:27:02Dj_Killa_Killrockbox-daily-20060923.tar.tar?
10:27:11Dj_Killa_Killyup
10:27:26hcswhat do you get when you run ../tools/configure?
10:27:43Dj_Killa_KillBash doesnt exist error
10:28:08hcsthat indicates to me that you didn't set up cygwin right
10:28:19Dj_Killa_KillThats what Im thinkin
10:28:34Dj_Killa_KillDo I install it in to C:/RockBox?
10:28:43hcsshouldn't matter
10:29:09hcsmine's in c:\cygwin
10:29:13Dj_Killa_Killsame
10:29:37Dj_Killa_KillIll try to reinstall it to see if I can recreate the error
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11:05:11KalthareOkay, I think I've finally identified what's goign on with the 5.5G iPod.
11:06:05SlasheriPaulJam: do you have any test files to reproduce the issue with tags being incorrectly written to the changelog?
11:07:43PaulJamwait a moment, i can send you a file.
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11:10:03linuxstb_Kalthare: So what's going on?
11:10:46Kaltharelinuxstb_: It's like amiconn said, actually. The hard drive's actually got 512-byte sectors, but it's presented as 2048-byte sectors over the USB connection, presumably for faster transfers.
11:11:25Kaltharelinuxstb_: So the FAT code needs to be modified to be able to handle a logical sector size of 2048 on a physical one of 512.
11:12:17linuxstb_Have you looked at the FAT code?
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11:12:50Kaltharelinuxstb_: To say the least. ;) I've been trawling through it all day.
11:13:26linuxstb_Open up firmware/common/disk.c and go to line 79.
11:13:32amiconnSounds like quite some work. The FAT driver currently assumes sector_size == 512, and refuses to work with any other size
11:14:01linuxstb_Isn't it just a case of multiplying size and start by 4 in disk_init() ?
11:14:07amiconnAnd here it's even a mix...
11:14:13amiconnNope
11:14:24amiconnThe disk still has 512-byte sectors
11:14:35Kaltharelinuxstb_: Actually, the partition map gets translated automatically by the iPod.
11:14:42amiconnJust the filesystem is laid out as if it were 2048-byte sectors
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11:15:32amiconnfat.c is where most (all?) of the work has to be done
11:16:03KalthareI think I can handle it almost completely in fat_readwrite().
11:16:16amiconnWhat about the FAT cache?
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11:17:05KalthareEr, does that go around it?
11:17:11SlasheriPaulJam: hmm, the dcc failed:
11:17:17Slasheri|12:16 [freenode] DCC SEND from PaulJam [84.188.210.128 port 61166]: 01_Black_Winter_Day.mp3 [5MB]
11:17:20Slasheri|12:16 [freenode] DCC can't connect to 84.188.210.128 port 61166
11:17:50PaulJamok then i will upload it somewhere
11:17:51Slasherido you have a firewall or wrong ip address?
11:17:53Slasheriok :)
11:18:10crwlBROAAARR
11:18:15PaulJami use a router, propably it is that
11:18:17Slasherimorning crwl ;)
11:18:21KalthareWell, I've got to get to bed soon. Unless you'd rather take care of it, I'll look into it in the morning.
11:18:33SlasheriPaulJam: ah, yes. that prevents dcc from working unless ports are routed properly
11:18:39amiconnPaulJam: You need to configure the router correctly for dcc send to work
11:19:21crwlSlasheri, good morning :)
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11:32:40Rock140Hello? :)
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11:36:17Slasherihmm, what do you think if all threads would receive SYS_POWEROFF during shutdown and after all threads have removed themselves by remove_thread(NULL), removing the last thread would poweroff the device?
11:36:38Slasherithat would make sure that all threads gets time to save their data
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11:37:39markunSlasheri: sounds great to me
11:38:05Slasheriat least it would be logical to poweroff when there are no more running processes left :)
11:38:16Rock140Are there any users here who would listen to 20 hours non stop music on rockbox on an almost dauly basis?
11:38:44Rock140because I do and it seems I have a problem nobody else has
11:39:27amiconnSlasheri: That would force all threads to process SYS_POWEROFF.
11:39:27hcsI would listen to 20 hours nonstop if rockbox would run 20 hours nonstop
11:39:39amiconnNot all threads have an event queue...
11:40:08amiconn...and a number of threads simply doesn't care about poweroff
11:40:13Rock140what do you mean if Rockbox would run 20 hours non stop?
11:40:14amiconn...e.g. the USB thread
11:40:26Slasherihmm..
11:40:37hcsI have a 4g ipod, crashes are not unusual
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11:41:24Slasheriamiconn: do you think it is just better to call all shutdown functions to other threads from the main thread?
11:41:26Rock140ok, that's the thing, I have a H140, which is to my knowledge, quite stable, but I still have the problem that every so often, it will crash for no reason. It's only started happening recently though
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11:42:05Rock140I might start a thread about it on the forums though, not sure if this is the right place to talk about it
11:42:19amiconnSlasheri: What is wrong with the current poweroff handling?
11:43:12Slasheriamiconn: i am just trying to fix some issues it.. almost done with that (for example, tagcache sometimes hanging, audio playback doesn't stop early etc.)
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11:47:59hcscould someone join me in looking at the playback code for a moment?
11:48:24hcsmeh, I'll just put the patch up and let the world decide
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12:13:51amiconnSlasheri: I think any module (not necessarily thread) that needs some action done on shutdown should define a corresponding *_shutdown() function
12:14:54amiconnAll these functions would be called by the main shutdown() function. *_shutdown() functions not present on a certain target should be replaced by an empty macro.
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12:17:43amiconnIn case there is one thread that needs to handle shutdown asynchronously (but only then!) there could be 2 shutdown functions.
12:17:58amiconnOne would send the appropriate shutdown message and return
12:18:16amiconnThe second one would block until the shutdown is complete.
12:18:28amiconnBetween these 2, other shutdown functions could be called
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12:31:44Slasheriamiconn: hmm, that sounds good
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13:00:45Bagdernow we're 62 committers
13:01:36scorchethe family grows and grows....in more ways than one
13:01:39linuxstbBagder: Let me be the last to congratulate you and Mrs Bagder :)
13:01:43scorchehow is the newborn?
13:01:50Bagderthanks
13:01:53scorchebah!
13:01:54Bagderhe's eating and sleeping
13:01:58scorchelinuxstb: second to last =(
13:02:27*petur looks for some help in enabling GPIO interrupts on iriver h3x0
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13:04:18Bagderbut I'll tell you, it is amazing how you forget how small newborns are :-)
13:04:33scorchehehe...i havent heard a name yet
13:04:49BagderRex it is
13:05:55scorchehe sounds like he will be a tough nerd =P
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13:07:20BagderI'll make sure he finds the true way of living! ;-P
13:07:47scorcheand what would that be?
13:08:30Bagderin his father's footsteps of course
13:08:36Bagder"look son, this is a flashing led"
13:08:55Bagder"and when you press this button, the CPU resets"
13:09:05scorchei didnt know that they had leds and CPUs back then ;)
13:09:15Bagderhehe
13:09:28BagderI had to wait until I was a teenager
13:10:27Hikerhey
13:10:39scorchei miss the days of playing games on my apple II
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13:11:30HikerDunno if anybody remembers the other day, but I mentioend how Fade On Pause/Top doesn't fade smoothly, it fades a bit, stays at that level, fades a bit, stays at that level then finishes fading
13:11:55Hikerwell, it isn't just fading it seems. If I adjust the volume, it does the same thing
13:12:08HikerI enabled the status bar and can actually see it pausing
13:12:37LearI've seen "uneven" response sometimes since the new scheduler was added. Maybe the same problem here...
13:12:45HikerI'll mov emy finger at an even pace aroudn the wheel and can see the volume % change, pause, change, pause
13:12:51Hikerok
13:13:07HikerI acutally had something interesting happen today actually
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13:13:56HikerI went into the debug menu and somehow, CPU boot ration was "stufk" at 100%. I left the debug menu and he volume fading was perfect
13:13:56stripwax(how hard can what be?)
13:14:44Hikerlear: I know the wheel is being responsive cos it works perfectly in the file menu. It's the actual volume part that does the pausing
13:15:07scorcheBagder: well good luck with the little one...we are awaiting his first port =)
13:15:22Bagder:-)
13:15:46*linuxstb wonders if 3.0 will be released before Rex's first port...
13:15:57Learhiker: I'd guess it is the ui thread that doesn't get enough cpu time in some situations. More likely to happen during playback.
13:16:21Hikeryeah. It really looks that way
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13:16:43stripwaxLear/Hiker - the new scheduler should fix that, when it's finished.
13:16:43Hikerit happens 100% of th etime, btw. the volume pausing and fading
13:16:52Hikercrossfade is unaffected tho
13:17:00Hikerok. cool
13:17:06HikerI'll let you know if it does
13:17:15Learstripwax: just a question of tweaking the prioritization, I guess.
13:17:26HikerI have an iriver but I;ve not updated rockbox on that for a few weeks. I don't really use it much any more
13:17:27stripwaxLear - sort of
13:17:42Hikerso I dunno if it happens on that as well
13:17:56linuxstbI thought the new scheduler was finished, but the problem is the slow codecs on the ipod... i.e. with the old scheduler, music would have paused instead of the UI?
13:17:58Hikerhas anybody else using different targets to the ipod nano mentioned it?
13:19:06peturcan somebody tell me why this code to enable isp1362 irq causes I40:PDIR1FULL http://pastebin.com/792480
13:19:08stripwaxlinuxstb - hm, that would make sense. didn't realise the new scheduler was in cvs yet. I'll try writing a memcpy and memmove for arm..
13:19:36linuxstbearHertz already did a lot of work on memcpy for ARM - but he's disappeared now...
13:19:57stripwaxlinuxstb - when you say 'a lot of work' - what does that mean exactly? (is there one, or isn't there? :-)
13:20:28linuxstbYes, there's on on earHertz's hard drive... I don't think he ever posted his code. He posted a few forum messages with benchmarks.
13:21:02BagderI recall him basing it on the linux code, but with some tweaks of his own
13:21:03stripwaxi'll go check the fora
13:21:19Bagderas linux has asm versions for arm
13:21:45stripwaxyep
13:22:08linuxstbstripwax: Do you have an ipod now then?
13:22:15stripwaxhrm, can't find any posts about it.
13:22:27stripwaxlinuxstb - yep, v5g
13:22:35linuxstbIt's probably in the old forums and hasn't been moved. Are in the developers group on the forums?
13:22:45linuxstb^Are you in...
13:23:12stripwax'Developers group'? - not sure what that means, so probably not :-(
13:23:15scorchelinuxstb: he is not on the staff page
13:23:58scorchelinuxstb: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5223.0
13:24:20linuxstbscorche: Yes, plus a few others. I'll move them...
13:24:31scorchealright
13:24:35linuxstbNot sure where though....
13:24:36stripwaxthx
13:24:49LearAnyone who knows if "$(PROFILE_OPTS)" was deliberately left out of the libfaad makefile, or if just never got added?
13:24:52scorchehehe...that is why i gave you a link
13:25:12scorchei would suggest either compiling or general
13:25:26linuxstbI'll just stick them in the "Getting Started and Compiling" forum - I think of that as the forum for development...
13:25:27scorchei would go with general myself
13:25:30linuxstbAh :)
13:25:34scorchehehe
13:25:45scorcheor compiling forum works =P
13:26:40linuxstbAh, just found a patch :)
13:26:48stripwaxgreat!
13:28:00linuxstbIf you search for memcpy, you should now find all his threads...
13:28:26linuxstbThe third hit (code review requested) contains some code.
13:28:45stripwaxgot it. thanks!
13:29:03linuxstbBut it looks like he did a lot more work after posting that patch...
13:30:01stripwaxyeah .. :-(
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13:33:08stripwaxwow, the C implementation shows up very badly in the graphs.
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13:41:21peturcan somebody tell me why this code to enable isp1362 irq causes I40:PDIR1FULL http://pastebin.com/792480
13:43:25PaulJam_I was just wondering, wouldn't it be a good idea to make the size of the font cache target specific? since the updates to the nimbus 12 font i had the problem, that the disk was often spinning up while browsing menus or the filetree (with dircache enabled)
13:44:03linuxstbLear: I've got a feeling profiling didn't work in libfaad. m68k-elf-gcc struggled to compile it normally (various internal compiler errors).
13:44:07LearNeat. Seems to have fixed an ICE on a profiling build of libfaad by re-introducing a slightly modified inline asm function that was said to provoke an ICE... :)
13:44:46Learlinuxstb: i.e., with profiling enabled on libfaad. So yes, there was a reason it was disabled...
13:44:46markunPaulJam_: it would be even nicer if it could be configured from the menu
13:44:54PaulJam_for me increasing the font cahche fixed it (or at least i think that it was that that i did) and i don't think a few KB less audiobuffer don't hurt that much.
13:45:08linuxstbPaulJam_: Why target-specific? It just sounds to me like the font cache is too small in general.
13:48:24Learon 2 MB targets one might want to avoid any increase...
13:48:27PaulJam_linuxstb: i thought target specific, because of targets that dont have much memory
13:48:53Learand there seems to be a need to check memory usage on those targets.
13:49:48PaulJam_but i prefer it to be user configurable in the menu, like markun suggested
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13:51:06markunamiconn: there he is! :)
13:51:18Mmmmuh oh...
13:51:23peturhahaha
13:51:34MmmmIt's fixed now so hopefully he's feeling better
13:51:49markundon't count on it :)
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13:53:29MmmmI got it working nicely for the irivers but when I was doing the keymaps for the other targets, I forgot to put the new context in them!
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13:53:38Mmmmstupid eh?
13:54:31linuxstbLear: Does your question about libfaad mean you're thinking about doing some work on it?
13:56:03Learlinuxstb: maybe. want to get a profile run on it at least, to see if I could find some nice spot to look closer at...
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14:02:42peturcan somebody explain to me why PDIR1FULL happens when something goes wrong somewhere else?
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14:15:21peturwhy would or_l(0x10000000, &INTPRI5) generate a PDIR1FULL and or_l(0x00100000, &INTPRI5) not? Both are interrupts attached to GPIO pins...
14:16:37peturunless PortPinAssignments is wrong and something else is attached to GPIO 7
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14:23:29peturnobody?
14:26:57linuxstbAnyone know what SBR is in the AAC decoder? Do we need it?
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14:27:58LearSBR is used in HE-AAC.
14:28:17LearSo you need it, to (fully) decode some low-bitrate files.
14:28:38linuxstbWhat about PS ?
14:29:01LearAlso part of HE-AAC, I believe (it's parametric stereo).
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14:30:10LearHE-AACv1 adds SBR, HE-AACv2 also adds PS.
14:31:32linuxstbRemoving the SBR and PS code reduces aac.codec to about 95KB on Coldfire (from over 200KB).
14:32:13LearQuite a difference...
14:34:10linuxstbHave you tried any HE-AAC files in Rockbox?
14:36:19LearNope.
14:36:57linuxstbI'm guessing they are more CPU intensive than LC-AAC?
14:37:01LearNot many files will play anyway, so I haven't looked much for tht kind of files.
14:37:20linuxstbSo what do you think about ripping out that code?
14:38:19linuxstbBTW, what file did you get the ICE in when enabling profiling?
14:38:43LearSome low-bitrate files will sound worse (or not play at all), so I'm not so sure about it. For flash devices, support could be nice.
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14:39:07Learsbr_hfgen.c
14:39:27linuxstbYou could try disabling SBR in common.h
14:39:53LearBut using a slightly modified version of the asm MUL_C fixed that.
14:41:20linuxstbSo you've got MUL_C working?
14:44:20LearBtw, you don't happen to know which fft tables are the most commonly used in cfft.c?
14:44:23LearYep.
14:45:10linuxstbNo, I don't know.
14:45:20linuxstbWhich version of gcc?
14:45:24Lear3.4.6.
14:46:47amiconnThe aac size reduction would probably help to reduce the codec buffer size - if vorbis wasn't as large as it is...
14:47:00amiconnIt's the second-largest codec after aac
14:47:05LearBut vorbis isn't that large, is it?
14:47:12amiconnIt's almost the same
14:47:19linuxstbAbout 100KB
14:47:30amiconnYou have to compare the whole memory size it occupies, not only the loadable part
14:47:53linuxstbTrue. Plus I think vorbis is one of the heavy malloc users as well.
14:48:33LearIndeed. Some files currently require some 600 KB...
14:48:33amiconnOn coldfire, aac occupies 387332 bytes. vorbis occupies 331820 bytes
14:48:46amiconnThat's binary + bss
14:49:22amiconnThe malloc buffer is separate, and a thing I would really like to get rid of
14:51:52LearWould be nice, but quite a bit of codec work required for that...
14:52:08linuxstbIf you remove SBR and PS, the AAC codec occupies 126760 bytes (plugin_end_addr = 0x32f1ef28
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14:58:29amiconnIf vorbis.codec can be made smaller as well, we might be able to reduce the codec buffer to 256KB
14:58:44amiconnNo. 3 size-wise is mpc.codec
14:58:58amiconn162512bytes
14:59:32LearVorbis uses a fair amount of bss data to reduce the need for malloc (and avoid stack overflows)...
14:59:35pondlifeAny mileage in allowing the user to configure codec buffer sizes? For people who only use MP3 for example... Obviously this would result in codec failure if they tried to use a larger one....
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15:01:25amiconnThe codecs are statically linked, so configurable buffer won't work
15:01:38pondlifeOf course...
15:02:39amiconnThose who are able to compile could do it themselves, by reducing the codec buffer size and not building those codec which don't fit
15:02:48pondlifeThat's what I do
15:03:02pondlifeWell, the former at least
15:03:34amiconnIt's not that important for me to do that, even though I never use anything else than mp3 during normal use
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15:04:33linuxstbWhat about combining the codec and codec-malloc buffers, and then reducing the combined size?
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15:05:38amiconnBut there is an different optimisation that could be done without changing the codec loader itself - the swap buffers for voice<->main codec could be allocated with buffer_alloc, only occupying the size for swapping mpa.codec
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15:06:43amiconnThe necessary values are stored in the codec header
15:08:27amiconnThe other option would be a statically linked voice codec, only leaving the iram swap
15:09:10pondlifeBut would that waste a little space on non-voiced configurations?
15:09:44linuxstbYes, but I wouldn't object to it if it helped make the voice code simpler and more reliable.
15:10:06pondlifeMe too, but the swapping would still be needed
15:10:16pondlifeThat's the main problem
15:10:27amiconnYes, but iram only
15:10:50pondlifeYes, but still need the corresponding locking etc.
15:10:51amiconn...and with a dedicated memswap() routine, only one buffer would be needed instead of two
15:11:23pondlifeWe should do that anyway
15:11:31amiconnThe swapping could go away if we had a codec that's efficient without using iram
15:11:37amiconn...or only very little iram
15:11:40pondlifeSpeex?
15:11:59amiconnThe very little iram would be what the core currently leaves unused
15:13:09pondlifeHow well does MP3 decoding work without IRAM. Mono and low bitrate of course.
15:13:24pondlifeAnything like realtime?
15:13:40*amiconn doesn't know
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15:13:53amiconnFor voice, 12 or 16kHz mono are sufficient
15:13:54linuxstbWhat samplerate are the voice files? i.e. do they need to go via the DSP layer?
15:14:03amiconnThey do
15:14:10amiconnCurrent voice files are 12kHz
15:14:10pondlifeWhich SWCODEC target is slowest?
15:14:18linuxstbWhich I guess benefits from having the output samples in IRAM.
15:14:52amiconnOn h1x0, the core currently leaves ~600 bytes of iram unused
15:15:01linuxstbpondlife: ipods are probably the slowest, but removing IRAM usage won't make a big difference. Coldfire is the one that needs testing without iram.
15:15:07amiconnh300 has >6300 bytes, x5 even more
15:15:14pondlifeAha, I have one of those!!
15:15:53amiconnBut I guess that if we need some more iram for the voice codec, overall iram usage could be reviewed and some iram reclaimed
15:16:00pondlifeWhy do we not use all of the IRAM?
15:16:26pondlifeIt still needs adding to the config.h files I guess
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15:20:52amiconnMmmm: FM seems to work now on Ondio. Thanks.
15:21:09amiconnBut the trigger screen still doesn't work 100% on Recorder
15:21:38Mmmmamiconn: no? what doesn't work?
15:22:06Mmmmyou cant test the trigger on the sim so i'm working blind there!
15:22:15amiconnYou can select settings and change values, but you can't leave it properly without cancelling
15:22:24amiconnOff leaves & cancels, that's correct
15:22:37amiconnPlay accepts and leaves - and immediately re-enters
15:23:36amiconnThere is also a bug in the archos recording screen observed by pixelma, which I wasn't able to reproduce though
15:24:07amiconnThe trigger should show on the recording screen when it's enabled - it did for her but not for me
15:24:12Mmmmok.. I'll have a look at the trigger...What's the recording screen bug?
15:24:43amiconnBut when it shows up, it shows on the same line the volume setting is placed on, i.e. overlays it.
15:25:09Learlinuxstb: removing ALLOW_SMALL_FRAMELENGTH and perhaps LD_DEC would make AAC a bit smaller... Not sure what they mean though.
15:25:09MmmmSo it does show up, but in the wrong place?
15:25:19linuxstbI'm not sure if this is a good idea, but how about moving the IRAM swapping into the kernel? i.e. the codec thread and voice codec thread would both share the same area of IRAM, and the kernel would take care of the swapping.
15:25:30amiconnLooks rather strange, see here: http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/Screendump.bmp
15:25:47amiconnYes, but somehow it didn't show up for me...
15:26:02amiconnMaybe it has to do with some trigger setting, will investigate
15:26:19Mmmmamiconn: sounds like the trigger doesn't take into account the line variable
15:26:35Mmmmwhich came about when the AGC was implemented
15:27:11amiconnHmm, sounds likely
15:27:14amiconnGtg now
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15:27:38Mmmmshould the trigger just be displayed directly below the gain settings? damn...
15:28:02linuxstbLear: I'm just attracted by the idea of ripping out as much of libfaad as possible - to make it easier to understand and hence optimise.
15:30:05LearHm.. LD ought to be low-delay AAC, which I doubt is used in the iTunes or Nero encoders. :)
15:33:32LearRemoving SSR_DEC should be pretty safe too.
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15:45:37ScHlAuChihello
15:46:14ScHlAuChijust a short question - since i updated the rockbox version on my iriver - rockbox doesnt seem to work anymore.
15:46:22markunwhich player?
15:46:28ScHlAuChiiHP 140
15:46:38ScHlAuChiwhen the firmware starts it says "-5" at the end
15:46:46ScHlAuChiand then jumps to tthe original firmware
15:47:21markun-5 is checksum erro
15:47:23markunr
15:47:43ScHlAuChii already did windows checkdisk on the drive to make sure its ok - no errors found
15:47:47markunsounds like a corrupt rockbox.iriver
15:48:23markuncan you download rockbox again? (or from another day)
15:48:29ScHlAuChisure
15:48:33markunOr do you install from source?
15:49:15ScHlAuChii always use daily builds
15:49:19LearCould be you installed the wrong version too.
15:49:21ScHlAuChii dont compile them myself
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15:51:24ScHlAuChihmm would could be is that when i directly move the contents from the zip file tot he iriver
15:51:34ScHlAuChiwindows copys them to the TEMP fodler first
15:51:43ScHlAuChimaybe it copys the wrong files from there
15:51:50ScHlAuChii will directly copy the latest
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15:52:40ScHlAuChithere we go
15:52:50ScHlAuChiit was Windows fault :P
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15:53:06ScHlAuChiwhen i directly copied the files it worked
15:55:40ScHlAuChiguess for MOD support i need to use the flyspry version
15:56:03aliaskmarkun: What program do you use to add glyphs to BDF fonts?
15:57:31ScHlAuChithanks for the help - bye
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16:02:41markunaliask: fontforge
16:03:13aliaskI tried using fontforge, but after I saved, convbdf wouldn't touch it, saying it was corrupt. Do you have to save with particular settings?
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16:04:37aliaskSpecifically "Error: EOF on file" and then "Error reading font header".
16:04:57markunaliask: you must save with File -> Generate Fonts
16:05:15aliaskAh, that may be it, I was just hitting control+s
16:09:21aliaskDamn, it looks like I just lost all my changes to this font.
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16:21:14pondlifeAny voice users out there fancy another patch to test? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6024 is updated to fix a CPU boosting issue.
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17:40:46peturwhat's required to install an isr?
17:42:31peturis this enough to direct GPI5 to my isr? void GPI5(void) __attribute__ ((interrupt_handler, section(".text")));
17:43:49peturbagder? amiconn?
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18:02:46gigadelichey I have a quick question. I misselected something on one of the menus, and my ipod is frozen on a screen, and I cant get rid of it. What do I do?
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18:03:43gigadelicnvm
18:03:53gigadelici misunderstood the faq
18:04:01gigadelicthanks alot, and keep up the good work :D
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18:12:21peturaaargh
18:12:30markunwhat's wrong?
18:12:46peturI don't get my interrupt routine working
18:13:21peturas soon as I enable the interrupts of the isp1362 chip, I get I00:
18:14:12peturso I'm configuring something wrong :(
18:19:04peturwow, looks like these guys have a problem... http://pastebin.ca
18:19:16peturand pastebin.com is dead slow
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18:21:34peturif any knowledgable person is reading: http://rockbox.pastebin.co.uk/1814
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18:38:48Mmmmare you giving up already?? tut tut.. ;)
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18:41:46peturfeeling better already
18:42:15Mmmmlol
18:42:16*pondlife gave up earlier - I think I need lostlogic to help with his idea for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5082
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18:44:26*petur hopes recording code is stable - got a gig to tape tonight
18:44:59pondlifeMy advice is to make sure you don't have voicing enabled.
18:45:22peturwill do
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18:45:55pondlifeWho's the tagcache expert? Slasheri?
18:46:03peturyeah
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18:53:21peturyoda!
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19:41:28MoosHello here
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19:48:24voltI have a question. Is there a way to use an iPod with Rockbox without using iTunes and assorted Mac software?
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19:51:07Soapyes
19:51:30SoapThe default behavior of Rockbox is to simply manage your music through "file tree" browsing.
19:52:14SoapSimply put your music in a directory (or more) of your choice and browse to it as in any other file manager and play it from there.
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19:56:59voltThanks Soap
19:59:56Arathisbarrywardell: any further success while testing/adjusting the battery ?
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20:00:13barrywardellArathis: see my cvs commit a few minutes ago!
20:00:27barrywardellit could probably do with being calibrated for 5/6GB models though
20:00:47mh546Hi! Can anyone explain to me the difference between bool playing and bool is_playing in mpeg.c?
20:02:11Arathisbarrywardell: whoops! I checked the page like one minute before your commit ^^
20:02:29Arathissry for asking than
20:02:35ArathisI'll try it out
20:03:10barrywardellwhat model do you have?
20:03:18Arathis20gb
20:04:36barrywardellah, ok. we need to find someone with a 5gb to check if the battery levels are read ok
20:05:21ArathisPerhaps when it's posted at misticriver there'll show up some
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20:09:47Arathisbarrywardell: battery status check seems to work fine. but is it possible to directly show the current level instead of counting up? or is that related to the battery scan results?
20:10:28barrywardellwhat do you mean by counting up?
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20:12:07Arathisit doesn't directly shw the current status, but the battery icon fills up by time up to the actual battery level
20:12:43Arathisas before your commit. just a bit faster
20:13:20barrywardellit should start at the correct level now
20:13:36Arathisit doesn't for me
20:13:38barrywardellwhat happens if you try starting up again?
20:13:46barrywardellie turn off, then back on
20:16:55Arathisbarrywardell: same thing. it starts at 7% and goes up to 20% (my battery level though I didn't charge it)
20:17:27ArathisI reset and load my previously saved config after updating rockbox
20:19:25barrywardellthat's weird. it works fine for me
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20:20:11barrywardellbut my battery level is almost full
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20:20:48Arathisusing the cvs build from 17:50 GMT btw
20:20:54Arathisnot selfcompilied
20:21:04ArathisI'll try charging it to full
20:21:55barrywardellplease do and see if works better then
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20:51:16barrywardellhmm. Arathis: i'm experiencing the same problem, but only when i have power connected
20:51:36Arathishad it unplugged
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21:01:11t0mas|laptophm... is rockbox for the ipod multi-boot with the original firmware?
21:01:34t0mas|laptoplike the iriver is...
21:01:34Bagderyes
21:01:40t0mas|laptopwhat buttons to use? :)
21:01:51Bagderno idea
21:02:12t0mas|laptophihi, same problem as I have... not looked at the ipod builds for a long time? :)
21:02:47BagderI don't have an ipod and thus I never really catch the little details in the ipod builds
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21:03:34barrywardellArathis: can you try this and see if it works for you: barrywardell.net/assets/files/rockbox.h10">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/rockbox.h10
21:16:27Arathisbarrywardell: I charged it a bit. now it seems to work. (bat at ~35%)
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21:17:37Arathisor not. battery is at 43%. So it started at the last known level before shutdown and reached up to current one
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21:20:04barrywardellis that with the rockbox.h10 i linked above?
21:20:15Arathisno. with the old one
21:20:26ArathisI'll try the new one now
21:20:32barrywardelldo, please
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21:25:49Arathisbarrywardell: still the same
21:26:25barrywardellI'll have to look at it some more then
21:27:35barrywardellwe're probably still not reading the ADC properly
21:30:36Arathisbarrywardell: btw: with your rockbox.h10 I0 have an option for color inversion, but not with the one from the beeding edge build
21:31:21barrywardelloh, yes. I added it in my local version. I'll probably add it to cvs soon
21:31:39Arathisthanks!
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22:15:27oboLandus: ping?
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22:17:16Dj_Killa_KillGood Afternoon All
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22:17:42Dj_Killa_KillI got cyg going, and I was able to complie myifirst file ever
22:17:45Dj_Killa_Killlol
22:18:13Dj_Killa_Killbut now when I run the patch command, it asks me what file to patch :( It doesnt say
22:20:01obowhat patch command are you using? do you have a -p option in there?
22:20:17Dj_Killa_Kill-p0
22:20:55ivan`are there any implementations of track ratings in rockbox?
22:21:05ivan`or at least some way to display an integer to the right of the filename?
22:21:32obotry other values - 1 upwards - it depends on how the patch was created - how many levels need to be stripped off
22:21:57Dj_Killa_Killcant find file to patch at input levlv 165
22:22:17Dj_Killa_KillIll try that though, hopefuly it will gain me some sucsess
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22:29:47Dj_Killa_KillSorry about bein a n00b and thanxs for you patience. But when I put the command * patch −−binary -p1 customline.patch * in and it goes right to the next line with no error, but then not confirming anything, is it safe to say it worked?
22:30:43oboI thought it listed the number of hunks... but I could be wrong
22:30:52oboyou shouldn't need the binary option
22:31:14oboyou can try it again with the −−dry-run option - it should complain if the files have already been patched
22:31:16KalthareI think it only lists hunks if some of them didn't work.
22:31:30KalthareIt ought to list the files, tho.
22:32:01oboit does if you turn on verbose mode...
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22:33:12Dj_Killa_Killkk, I patched another file and I see the hunk sucsess list
22:33:23Dj_Killa_Killi think that might of been file spisific
22:47:21pondlifeHmm, is there an archive of older daily builds anywhere
22:47:35pondlifeI'm thinking from the start of August onwards
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22:50:49linuxstb_pondlife: You'll need to compile yourself from cvs.
22:51:54pondlifeOK, just hoping to look into the reports on the ML that there was a fast-responding voice build or 2 in the middle of August.
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23:08:15Trunks[x]Hi.
23:08:18Trunks[x]Is anyone here who can help me? :P
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23:08:39LandusI know this isn't the best channel for this question, but someone here should know the answer.
23:09:33LandusIf a motherboard only supports 266/333/400MHz DIMM sticks, I can't put in a DIMM stick that runs at anything above 400MHz, right?
23:11:00oboDDR1?? You should be able to - you might need to manually clock the speed in the BIOS
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23:11:20LandusNo. It's DDR2.
23:11:50LandusI'm still looking at hardware, but I faintly recall something about not being able to excede clock speeds with DDR2 RAM.
23:12:06LandusLeast I think I do, hence the asking.
23:12:38obonot sure - I haven't had a huge amount to do with DDR2
23:12:43linuxstb_Reverie: What's the problem?
23:13:35oboLandus: the issue you were having with the scrobbler patch - were the timestamps in the .scrobbler.log file correct?
23:13:49LandusUh.
23:14:00LandusI didn't check. The've been correct every other time.
23:14:27oboare you setting a manual offset with the perl script?
23:14:46LandusNo. The logfile.
23:15:19obohuh? you're changing the values in the log?
23:15:39LandusIf you change the #TZ/UNKNOWN to #TZ/GMT-5, it'll send the offset as -5 GMT.
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23:16:57obosame as if you set -t 5 on the command line
23:17:06LandusYeah.
23:19:08obohow far out are they?
23:19:27LandusThe times?
23:19:33oboyup
23:19:45LandusIf I send them as soon as I get home from school, my profile on Last.fm says I listened to them 3 hours ago.
23:19:57ReverieOh well, there's no problem.
23:19:59ReverieI installed rockbox.
23:20:01LandusBut if I keep it running during the night, then send them when I wake up, the times are correct to the dot.
23:20:04ReverieI'm just wondering- is there anyway to dual?
23:20:13LandusReverie: What DAP do you own?
23:20:17ReverieLike use the original firmware (apple?) and rockbox?
23:20:19ReverieIpod Nano 4gigs
23:20:27LandusHrm. There might.
23:20:27ReverieSo I could easily switch between two.
23:20:27oboit's dual boot by default
23:20:30ReverieOh.
23:20:32LandusI know I can on my Iriver.
23:20:33ReverieHow do I switch back?
23:20:35obohold menu as it boots
23:20:40Landus^
23:20:42LandusThere you go.
23:20:53ReverieDidn't work >_>
23:20:54oboyou need to start holding it down right from the point it boots - even before the apple logo
23:21:00obo:)
23:21:27ReverieOh, I see.
23:21:27ReverieThanks.
23:21:34ReverieBut, is there a way to make the original default?
23:21:39ReverieAnd rockbox you have to hold menu?
23:22:13oboyes - you can either change the bootloader code yourself, or use loader2 from the ipodlinux project (to get a gui boot menu)
23:22:33ReverieEhh... I've tried ipodlinux like 20 times and all times I've screwed up haha.
23:22:38ReverieThat's why I went to rockbox.
23:22:46ReverieAnd it worked on my 1st try, so I'm happy
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23:23:34tucozLandus: Crucial has a great memory finder tool, that will help you see what types of ram your mobo supports
23:23:45LandusIt isn't mine.
23:23:48LandusIt's one I'm building.
23:23:53LandusFor someone.
23:23:56Landus$1,500 cap.
23:24:02LandusI'm going to make this think a tank.
23:24:07LandusUsing nVidia SLI technology.
23:24:20tucozLandus: they even have a support service, where you get to chat with one of their support guys
23:24:25tucozLandus: ok
23:24:44LandusIrritatingly, the motherboard I planned on using supports only 266/333/400MHz DIMM sticks.
23:25:00LandusDDR2 RAM.
23:25:17tucozOk, just thought that they might be able to answer you directly. They helped me a week or so back
23:25:29LandusThe DDR2 sticks that's SLI certified don't run below 650Mhz.
23:25:38LandusMinimum.
23:25:42tucozi see
23:25:50LandusUsually, they're running at 800 or 900Mhz.
23:26:13obo266/333/400 are DDR1 speeds
23:26:40tucozddr2 come in 333 and 400 iirc
23:26:53Landusobo: That's what I thought.
23:27:06LandusI think there's something wrong with the page for the mobo.
23:27:15obowhat chipset/processor is it?
23:27:26LandusUnless it's not meant to support SLI certified RAM.
23:27:41LandusI can do even better and give a link.
23:27:49tucozsee you
23:27:50Landushttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2191582&Sku=E145-2005
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23:28:25obosocket 939 is DDR1 - the memory controller is on the CPU
23:28:43Landus939 is DDR1?
23:28:47oboyes
23:28:55LandusOh.
23:28:56oboAM2 is DDR2
23:29:01LandusAh well.
23:29:05LandusNot a big deal.
23:29:17LandusJust'll use regular DDR1 sticks.
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23:31:08Trunkseh, stupid internet.
23:31:16TrunksAnyways, I'm really confused on this whole rockbox thing, haha.
23:31:27TrunksAny guides, I couldn't find em on .. : How to use Rockbox + skinning it?
23:31:33TrunksPlus the advantages to rockbox.
23:32:08zedid you try rockbox.org?
23:32:11oboCheck the WPS pages on the wiki, and the WhyRockbox link off the main page
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23:32:59TrunksYeah, I have >_>.
23:33:07TrunksKay, and um, anyone have the cleardabst2 skin?
23:33:10TrunksIt's not on the website.
23:33:12Trunkshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpodNano/cleardabst2.zip
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23:41:23TrunksSo what CAN the rockbox do >_> <_<
23:41:28TrunksI just installed a skin :D
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23:46:25Trunksoic, plugins. I will continue to ask questinos then figure them out myself!
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23:46:43linoliumhey... I feel really stupid, but I opened up the snake2 plugin and now I can't figure out how to close it
23:48:04Trunksbetter then me, I don't even know WHERE to download the plugins
23:48:05Trunks>.>
23:48:16obolinolium: which platform?
23:48:26oboTrunks: you've already got them
23:48:32TrunksReally?
23:48:34linoliumobo: 4th gen grayscale ipod
23:49:03obolinolium: try holding select and menu (quickly, if you hold it for > 4 seconds it'll reset)
23:49:37TrunksYep it works @ obo.
23:49:41linoliumah, thanks
23:49:47TrunksAnd, I just realized I did have the plugins, haha
23:49:47oboTrunks: press menu, then goto browse plugins
23:49:52TrunksYep, I got it, thanks obo! :D
23:49:56oboTrunks: you might want to check the manual out :)
23:50:02TrunksYeah, I am reading it, haha
23:50:05TrunksThanks :P
23:50:11linoliumok, and another thing.. I tried just connecting it up through firewire and it isn't showing up as a mass storage device in windows... do I have to do something to get it to work?
23:50:16TrunksBut, if I wanted to play doom or um pacman, I need to download things, rightie?
23:50:49oborockbox doesn't detect firewire (it's a bug) - you'll need to reboot and entire the apple firmware, or disk mode
23:51:10oboTrunks: yes - check the wiki pages for each plugin - they'll tell you what you need
23:51:15Trunksokie.
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23:51:30linoliumobo, what is disk mode?
23:51:35TrunksThanks again
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23:51:54obohold select and play as it boots - you'll need to hard reboot it (by holding select and menu) to exit
23:52:16TrunksIt's black and white.
23:52:19oboyes
23:52:22TrunksShould say Disc mode IIRC.
23:52:50linoliumI wasn't evenr aware you could get back into the apple firmware with it installed
23:53:13oboyou can remove the apple firmware if you really feel like it, but the default is to dual boot
23:53:56linoliumone more thing.. in the apple firmware when you turn it off it just goes into sleep mode.. can I get rockbox to do the same thing or does it have to boot down/up every time?
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23:54:27oboit has to boot each time - the apple firmware puts it into a hibernation mode, without really powering it off
23:54:31pepie34is the latest ipod-video daily build broken?
23:54:37TrunksOh, and I still can't seem to find this, is there any EASY way to make it so the apple firmware is the normal booting?
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23:55:13oboTrunks: the only methods I'm aware of is to change the source code of the bootloader, or use IPLs loader2
23:55:25TrunksDo you know how to change the source code? :o
23:55:26pepie34can have nothing but a black screen when booting seems to be font probleme
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23:55:30TrunksOr do I have to figure that out myself?
23:55:45obopepie34: tried clearing the settings? boot with the hold switch on
23:56:00pepie34(I have remove .rockbox and rockbox.ipod again and again)
23:56:13oboTrunks: check the SimpleGuideToCompiling (I think..) on the wiki
23:56:15pepie34where is the settings file?
23:56:17linoliumwhen you turn it off is it normal for one line on the LCD to stay and slowly fade away?
23:56:24Trunkskk, obo
23:56:29pepie34i supossed it was in .rockbox
23:56:32obopepie34: you don't need to remove them - just overwrite with the newer version
23:56:51pepie34yes but where is the settings file
23:56:55pepie34?
23:57:00obothere is no config file - the settings are held on an otherwise unused sector of the hard drive
23:57:12pepie34:(
23:57:24obojust boot with the hold switch on - that will clear the settings
23:57:30pepie34ok
23:57:56pepie34i don't think it is a good idea to keep settings like this
23:58:11obolinolium: I think that's normal on the 4Gs - it won't do any harm, but it's something that needs fixing
23:58:14pepie34It is one hour i look trought the file tree for this file
23:58:19pepie34:(
23:58:27obopepie34: there is a work in progress to move to config files
23:58:50pepie34ok
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