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#rockbox log for 2006-09-26

00:01:16vertic420hey.. does anybody know whether there a "calender"-function plugin or something close to that for my X5V?
00:01:57 Quit obo ("bye")
00:02:10*mirak tap on amiconn shoulder
00:02:12amiconnSlasheri: (re tagcache menu items) Is it really necessary to waste that much ram?
00:03:22amiconnmirak: Well the datasheet says it all. There's a stall when you do a store immediately followed by another store
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00:03:41amiconn...unless you use movem, which doesn't stall
00:03:53preglowooh
00:04:00preglow4.3 has coldfire improvements scheduled
00:04:02preglowgcc
00:04:24*amiconn wouldn't count on that
00:04:50amiconnIt took half a year to fix the m68k-elf gcc build bug on amd64
00:04:50preglowwhy not?
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00:05:16preglowa bug report and a schedules patch merge is hardly the same thing
00:05:20preglowscheduled
00:05:32amiconnSure
00:06:03preglowas a matter of fact, it would be fun to try out those patches right now
00:06:23amiconnemac support?
00:06:42*amiconn somehow doubts that
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00:07:00webguest30H140, mp3, with latest bleeding edge I have on two different tracks had playback interrupted by a screechng sound, much like electronic feedback, if I rewind and play that section again its not evident
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00:07:24preglowi seriously doubt we'll see emac support
00:07:32preglowi don't see how emac support could be implemented anyway
00:07:41mirakamiconn: do you bother pipeling most of the time ?
00:07:56mirakpreglow: that's like mmx
00:08:01mirakor altivec
00:08:07mirakit's done by hand most of the time
00:08:13webguest30now now
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00:08:57preglowmirak: well, exactly
00:09:06mirakor maybe there are some special macros
00:09:14preglowemac intrinsic function support would be cool
00:09:28amiconnmirak: Well, if it saves cpu cycles, it's worth it.
00:09:30preglowbut i can't see how anything else would work
00:09:33miraksomething that integrates to C syntax without using asm directly, but you need to do by hand
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00:09:50amiconnI admit that I didn't check my memcpy and memset for this kind of stall
00:10:04jhMikeSlet's have memswap function so we can free 512KB of memory :)
00:10:09amiconnPipelining is much more complex on SH than it is on coldfire
00:10:42mirakamiconn: I am in some situation where I have no other choices. I must set 8 words from a column vertically.
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00:11:23mirakthere are no other instructions to fill between the moves
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00:12:18mirakamiconn: also by reading it I am not sure if all the move function is stalled after a store or just other stores
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00:15:22amiconnThe datasheet clearly says it: "For all STORE operations (except MOVEM), certain hardware resources within the processor are marked as busy for two clock cycles after the final DSOC cycle of the store instruction. If a subsequent STORE instruction is encountered within this 2-cycle window, it will be stalled until the resource again becomes available."
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00:21:27preglowholy shit, the gcc svn tree is large
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00:24:50mirakamiconn: ok. I posted to the tracker an amelioration of idct. I am not sure though my shifting and byte reversion efforts to store a long word instead of 4 bytes are worth it.
00:25:28miraksince my goal is to have a *dest buffered in iram it might be useless if I manage to do that
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00:29:12preglowdid i mention how huge the gcc tree is?
00:32:22amiconnLinusN: Do you know where the UDA SYSCLK is connected in the iriver(s)?
00:32:30amiconnThe schematics don't show it...
00:32:38amiconnI guess it's either MCLK1 or MCLK2
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00:35:31LinusNamiconn: should be mclk1
00:35:52LinusNi can't double check right now, bagder has my multimeter
00:36:01preglowthe swine
00:36:08preglowdid anyone try out gcc 4.1 for coldfire, again?
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00:38:52jhMikeSI guess MLCK1 it is. Why does it say FXTAL/4 for cf should not be used normally?
00:39:56preglowAssembler messages:
00:39:56preglowError: unrecognized architecture specification `cpu=68020'
00:40:06preglowhow to fix that error when building coldfire gcc, again?
00:40:57LinusNapply the patch in the wiki
00:41:16jhMikeSMCLK2 is unused?
00:42:07preglowshouldn't as accept -mcpu options anyway?
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00:47:51preglowpatch doesn't seem to help
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00:52:03LinusNpreglow: which binutils version are you using?
00:52:30preglowLinusN: 2.16.1
00:52:37LinusNhmm
00:52:38preglowLinusN: upgrading to 2.17 now just in case
00:52:50preglowi'm trying out a very new gcc branch so it is somewhat possible
00:53:26LinusNi believe 2.16 works
00:53:29preglowit should
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00:54:37midkaySlasheri?
00:54:58preglowLinusN: ehh, that actually seemed to do the trick
00:55:15preglownow it's crashing another place
00:55:47preglowahahahahah, sweet lord
00:55:52preglowit's the good old 64 bit bug
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01:03:39preglowamiconn: smokes, actually seems that bug is fixed in mainline now
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01:04:55AngrymanSop it Barry stop it ... I dont want to update the patched builds every night ;-)
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01:07:40barrywardellwell, they're only small changes...
01:08:26Angrymanwell, they are welcomed always even if they're little ;-)
01:09:56Joelyhehe *poke barrywardell
01:10:14barrywardellhello
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01:11:16preglowfinally
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01:23:45Joelyheh, any way i can be useful? i want to do something! grrrr
01:27:29preglowdamn, i can't even get it to understand target optiosn
01:28:08SoapUpdate the Mac and Linux ipod install instructions for dealing with nano firmware 1.2, i haven't got to it yet, and I don't think anyone else has.
01:28:18Soap(in the wiki)
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01:30:50preglowbargh, both gcc and gas has obviously changed their parameter format
01:31:11Joelyso fat32 is going to be the only filesystem available? i can try to make an HFS module or something...
01:31:47Soapnot wanted.
01:31:56Joelyok
01:31:56SoapFAT32 does everything needed./
01:32:28preglowJoely: plus, i think you're underestimating the task
01:33:07Soapseriously, if you are a Mac man, look at the windows install instructions for the ipods, notice the steps required for the Nano 1st generation with AppleFW 1.2, and apply those same changes to the MacOSX install instructions, they are out of date.
01:33:30Joelyok
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01:49:25shriphaniwhere do i get add ons for the default rocbox theme ?
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01:56:29linoliumis it possible to get the backlight to stay off.. unless you press and hold a button after which point it will stay on until you press and hold that same button again?
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02:02:26Davide-NYCplease help with bash syntax
02:02:42Davide-NYCi want to run bmp2rb on all files in a folder.
02:03:35Joelyfor x in {*}; do bmp2rb $x ; done
02:03:39Joelyi would think
02:05:00Joelywhere * is all the files
02:05:09Joelyseperated by commas
02:05:22Davide-NYCI have to list them
02:05:24Davide-NYC?
02:06:14Davide-NYCI remember somethign similar to "for each blah in *.bmp do something"
02:06:51Joelyforeach is a perl command i think...
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02:09:19JoelyAH HA
02:09:33Davide-NYCyou got it?
02:09:39Joelyfor x in `ls` ; do bmp2rb $x ; done
02:09:53Joelyis that ok?
02:10:22Davide-NYCgo tit
02:10:26Davide-NYC*got it
02:10:28Davide-NYCthanks
02:10:31Joelynp
02:11:02Joelyare you a programmer for Rockbox?
02:11:15Joelyi'm just wondering what people are doing for this project! it's really cool to see alternate firmware
02:11:39Davide-NYCnah, I'm just the icon gimp today
02:11:48Davide-NYCgenerating icons for the statusbar
02:11:52Davide-NYCI suck at C
02:12:06Davide-NYCbut I will get better. Just must find more time
02:12:51Joelycool! yeah....i'm 16 so i have bunches of time to learn anything...only thing is i spread myself too thin sometimes over projects...
02:13:29linoliumI'm 17... and my name is Joel.. :P
02:13:42JoelyREALLY?!
02:13:43Joelyhaha
02:13:58Davide-NYCI'm old and have to work so focus now and become expert programmers.
02:14:08Davide-NYC(weez, cough, hack)
02:15:14linoliumit would be nice to be able to access tagcache and the file browser without having to change a setting to toggle between the two
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02:20:16Quazgaawhat happened to the controls for the radio on x5
02:21:06Quazgaait doesnt scan, and you can only go left
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02:25:06pixelmaQuazgaa: i think it has to do with the button action rework for the radio screen... you should report it here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.120
02:26:32Quazgaaok
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02:30:27Quazgaaalso "key on" and "key record" seem to be inverted in doom
02:30:33Quazgaashould i also report that
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02:32:14pixelmaI don't know - as far as I know it has nothing to do with this... but the radio screen was definately changed last friday
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02:35:02Quazgaaagh stupid verification crap
02:35:48Quazgaanukes your ability to register in elinks :/
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02:42:06Davide-NYCHow are people making out playing M4A files with the new optimization?
02:42:14Davide-NYC(on coldfire targets)
02:44:56Davide-NYCyo hello? )lol)
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03:31:01DrMoreaulo
03:31:38DrMoreauI made some changes to ata.c for the 5.5g pods.. tryiny to test, but........
03:33:09DrMoreaui get "make[1]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." trying to build the bootloader
03:37:30DrMoreauwe all sleepin?
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03:59:03Life^can anybody tell me why when using rockbox and setting up tagcache correctly, it tells me that tagcache isn't ready?
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04:10:46webguest30HI
04:11:11webguest30how's everybody
04:11:31webguest30I have a few quesions if anybody is willing to answer
04:11:37webguest30It'd be appreciated
04:12:23Drkepilogueuh...
04:12:27Drkepiloguewhats it related to
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04:12:30SoapGeneral good pratice is to ask your questions and wait for the answer.
04:12:41SoapIf wait to ask you might never get an answer.
04:13:13SoapOr leave. Just like everyone else in my life!
04:13:21Drkepiloguelol
04:13:27Drkepiloguedont worry
04:13:29Drkepiloguei wont leavwe
04:13:57Drkepilogueatleast until dinner arrives
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04:55:27midkaySoap!
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05:24:35pagefaultthats weird
05:24:42pagefaultchanged my irc client
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07:46:28Slasheriamiconn: hmm, nope. I will optimize that soon and change it to use dynamic allocation
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08:14:39Slasheriamiconn: in fact it's already dynamic.. do you mean 64 * 4 bytes is that much of ram? ;)
08:14:49amiconnmorning
08:15:28amiconnNo, I mean sturct root_menu menus[]
08:15:38Slasheriah, hmm
08:15:58amiconnWith TAGMENU_MAX_MENUS == 64, it means 23040 bytes
08:16:17Slasherihmm, true. that can be changed to dynamic also
08:16:37Slasheriwould dynamic allocation for that sound better? :)
08:16:43amiconnBtw, you once said there would be potential to optimise the tagcache code size-wise
08:17:01Slasheriamiconn: yep, there should be still space to do that
08:17:12amiconnI've only seen it grow since then :/
08:17:15Slasherii have already done some optimizations but not everything possible
08:17:28Slasheriyep, there has been much of new code..
08:18:47amiconnI know that tagcache offers much functionality, and I wanted tagcache myself (replacing the old tagdb), even though I almost never use it myself,
08:19:56amiconnbut at the same time I also want to keep rockbox from growing too much
08:20:10amiconn...size-wise, not feature-wise
08:20:47Slasheritrue.. maybe it would be a good time to optimize the code a bit
08:21:15amiconnThe archos targets might be old, and not many users are left, but there's still a number of them around
08:22:26scorchei lub my archos...
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08:24:11amiconnAnd the archoses have some advantages over any of the newer devices... rockbox stability, better snr(!), higher potential hd capacity (with upgrade) to name a few
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09:13:36pondlifeBagder: Is it only Zagor who can reset it? Or only when you're at work? I can never remember who to pester... ;-)
09:13:43*LinusN goes killing some processes
09:14:14pondlifeKill! Kill!
09:14:38theli_uawhy won't we include patch for absolute wheel positions for ipods?
09:14:49pondlifeHow about an auto-kill for builds that take >30 mins or something
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09:15:12LinusNpondlife: we are working on it
09:15:27pondlifeOK, I'm sure I wasn't the first to suggest it.
09:16:03LinusNnot really :-)
09:16:07pondlifeThe hangs seem to be happening more often recently though, and always when I am about to commit. Psychic servers anyone?
09:16:25LinusNah yes, we often stall silly commits
09:16:30pondlifeThey know I'm about to commit and hang in fear.
09:17:20pondlifeThanks, we're off again
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09:20:27pondlifep.s. Anything I should do regarding the message: "cvs commit: Using deprecated info format strings. Convert your scripts to use the new argument format and remove '1's from your info file format strings."?
09:20:36LinusNhmmm, the wiki faq's need updating
09:20:45LinusNpondlife: no, that's a server issue
09:20:53pondlifeGood
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09:23:56linuxstb_theli_ua: I would like to see that patch committed, it's simply that no-one with CVS commit access has looked at it.. Do you know if it still applies cleanly to CVS?
09:24:49theli_ualinuxstb_, haven't tried lately but it seemed to apply ... i'll try now
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09:29:28theli_ualinuxstb_, it does apply
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09:36:37peturLinusN: if you got time to look/try isp1362 code, I've put some files on petur">http://users.telenet.be/petur - I won't be having any time until tomorrow night
09:37:44LinusNi'll see if i can find the time
09:37:55peturno hurry ;)
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09:39:10pondlifeAnother hung build?
09:40:26LinusNweird
09:40:37pondlifeLooking at the table, what is missing?
09:40:39pondlifeNot a lot..
09:41:19pondlifei.e. the devices all seem to be there.
09:42:42*pondlife thinks the failure may be in some post-build update/finalisation, but knows nothing
09:45:07linuxstb_theli_ua: OK, I'll try and look at it this evening. There are some features missing - i.e. sending "touch events", but at least for Rockboy and Doom (where the wheel patch would be used first), those events aren't needed.
09:48:34theli_ualinuxstb_, i wanted to use this in zxbox as well :)
09:49:01theli_ualinuxstb_, as for rockboy i have working patch at flyspray
09:49:30theli_ualinuxstb_, at least it was working when i used it (before 'generic scaling' commit)
09:50:20theli_ualinuxstb_, btw yesterday i figured out that rockboys scaling is the same as in zxbox ... i;m thinking of lloking into supporting targets with smaller than gameboys screen
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10:07:25Mmmmamiconn: Here's an alternative for the Quality settings on hw targets, no more slipping below the statusbar : http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.scarratt/Rockbox/icons.png
10:07:39Mmmmwhat do you think? better?
10:08:08Ed__lol - there's also a UNIX port of Rockbox?
10:08:20pondlifeYes, the sims
10:08:39pondlifeAlso a Windows port...if you have SDL available..
10:08:48pondlifeMy media player of choice
10:09:06Ed__i always use Herrie (wrote it myself - http://g-rave.nl/projects/herrie/ )
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10:16:34linuxstb_Ed__: I've been looking for something like that. What audio formats does herrie support, and does it do gapless playback?
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10:18:15Ed__linuxstb_: it is gapless enough
10:18:18Ed__it leaves the audio device open
10:18:30Ed__it supports mp3 and ogg - the mp3 support is still a little bit funky - no seeking yet
10:18:34Ed__well - only seeking forward
10:18:36Ed__nog backward :D
10:18:57linuxstb_So no FLAC support?
10:19:01Ed__oh yeah
10:19:02Ed__flac as well
10:19:05Ed__through libsndfile
10:19:25linuxstb_Ah, OK. I'll give it a go then...
10:20:21Ed__still need some volunteers to throw it in a package manager
10:20:30Ed__it's only in FreeBSD Ports at this moment
10:20:39Ed__linuxstb_: if you're using linux - don't forget to apply the .diff
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10:25:45hcshmm, would converting the iTunesDB to a Tag Cache database be workable?
10:26:23pondlifeWhy not just let it rescan? Are the files not tagged themselves?
10:26:29hcsthey are not
10:26:32pondlife:(
10:26:44pondlifeSorry, never used iTunes
10:27:07hcsIt'd be nice, though, for people just switching over from apple's firmware, to have immediate access to all the music (except the drm'd stuff)
10:27:24hcsas immediate as the conversion can be, that is
10:27:40*LinusN sees a potential bug in the build script
10:27:55hcsI've never successfully done anything with the cache, though, so just wondering if it sounds possible
10:28:05pondlifeLinusN: hooray
10:28:11linuxstb_hcs: The files are normally tagged - if they've been ripped with itunes. At least, mine have always been.
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10:28:44linuxstb_hcs: I'm guessing you've imported files without tags, and then edited the metadata within itunes?
10:28:48hcsayep
10:29:04hcsand I know a few other people who are the same way
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10:29:11hcscleaning up the tags in iTunes
10:29:14LinusNpondlife: it looks like it fails to recover from a network error, so it waits forever for a build that has failed
10:29:34pondlifeAha
10:29:41LinusNeven though it has restarted the build on another server
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10:30:05pondlifeFixable easily?
10:30:27LinusNyes, i'll just have to make sure that this really is the case
10:30:40linuxstb_I'm against itunesdb support for two reasons - 1) It can only be used for file formats itunes supports, so tagcache still needs to search the hard disk for other files; 2) The itunesdb is a constantly moving target - Apple change the format with every new release of itunes, so it will constantly be broken by Apple upgrades...
10:31:09hcsI'm for it for ease of transition
10:31:28hcsmy proposal won't be integrated into rockbox, in any case
10:31:35linuxstb_Are you willing to implement it, and then maintain it, reverse-engineering all of Apple's future changes/
10:31:36hcsno more than the songdb.pl is now
10:31:51scorchewtf?
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10:32:02scorchemy ajbr is beeping at me again...
10:32:36hcsI'm willing to implement it now, yeah, and after I spend a bit of time studing the tag cache I'll do just that.
10:33:31*scorche still has yet to figure out where that beeping even comes from...
10:33:36hcsI'll check with my roommate's newer iPod/iTunes setup, I'd just be using libgpod for the DB access anyway
10:39:08LinusNcan we agree to rename "tag cache" to something that more describes what it really is, i.e a tag database?
10:39:26LinusNi have yet to see what makes it a cache
10:39:28*Bagder agrees
10:39:29hcsrocboxDB
10:39:42Bagderit isn't just a db
10:39:57Bagderit is for songs/tracks and for meta data about them
10:40:12hcsa database thereof, no?
10:40:23Bagderyes, but "rockboxdb" doesn't say so
10:40:37hcsok, that was a joke anyway
10:42:46LinusNi think "tag database" is a good candidate
10:42:49linuxstb_hcs: You may find it easier to just tag your files...
10:43:42hcslinuxstb_: I don't think so, with code for generating the tag cache (er, database) and libgpod my work will be little indeed
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10:43:53linuxstb_hcs: If there isn't such a tool for itunes already, maybe you could write one - i.e. update the tags in a music collection based on the data in the itunes DB. Nothing related to Rockbox.
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10:44:12LinusNhcs: why not use libgpod to tag your files instead?
10:44:34gromit`nin
10:44:39gromit`oops sorry :)
10:44:45linuxstb_hcs: The advantage is that you do it once, and then you're not reliant on the itunes db any more.
10:45:09hcswell, I'd like the db to still be there, so I can use the apple firmware
10:45:41LinusNhcs: nothing stops you from having both, if you tag your files
10:45:49hcsits a hangup I have with modifying the music files, probably some sort of disease
10:46:51linuxstb_I have the opposite hangup - I tag everything I get, and normally re-encode with my own FLAC settings if I get something in a lossless format.
10:47:31hcsthen we must do battle, you tagging and me doing nothing
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10:53:04oboLinusN: I've updated 4899 - if you get time, could you cast an eye over it please?
10:53:37LinusNi already have
10:54:12obois it as it should be now?
10:55:19LinusNyes, one question though:
10:56:04LinusNwhy do you have both #ifdef HAVE_HEADPHONE_DETECTION and #if (CONFIG_CPU==PP5020) && defined(IPOD_ARCH)
10:56:16LinusNin headphones_inserted()
10:56:48LinusN?
10:56:59obobelt and braces I think... but yes, the check in headphones_inserted isn't needed
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10:58:25JdGordonhey all
10:58:33JdGordonwhats the story with the wps's on FS?
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10:59:26bluebrotherwps on FS?
10:59:27JdGordoni mean, should thye be closed and told to submit to the wiki? or added to the source if they work on all targets?
10:59:37JdGordon.. or just left?
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11:00:03LinusNJdGordon: not sure
11:00:37theli_uabtw can anyone move me to developers on flyspray so i can change/assign tasks ?
11:00:37JdGordon:) ok
11:00:52VoltageXWhat should I do if I'm looking to buy a new MP3 player with Rockbox support?
11:01:09JdGordonlook @ the wiki and supported targets
11:01:29bluebrothermaybe the wiki shouldn't tell the users to submit them to the tracker for inclusion in rockbox?
11:02:05amiconntheli_ua: Why don't you just check for (LCD_HEIGHT > 192) || (LCD_WIDTH > 256) to decide whether to draw the border?
11:02:13VoltageXJdGordon: I really should try the obvious first, thanks ;)
11:02:27amiconnThis would be more compatible to possible future targets...
11:03:09theli_uaamiconn, cause for now supported bigger screens are 320x240 and 320x200 .... other >169 and >192 still lack some code :)
11:03:30theli_uaamiconn, for example .... well ... you can look at gigabeat sim :D
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11:07:04JdGordonshould #2754 be accepted? (assuming the patch still works), allows the iriver tagert to be build without remote support
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11:08:14LinusNJdGordon: what issue does it fix?
11:09:03JdGordoni guess some people want to build the iriver without remotes? it just adds some ifdefs.. no actual code
11:09:56LinusNodd
11:10:39JdGordonwhy odd? not everyone has the remotes and it possibly does improve the build slightly...
11:10:55JdGordonor ill just close the task with rejected?
11:11:09LinusNyou could ask what the patch is good for
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11:11:43LinusNbesides, the patch checks for HAVE_REMOTE_LCD for the archos targets
11:12:10LinusNi wonder why
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11:12:34JdGordonbecause its wrong... but that part of the patch isnt even needed anyway
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11:13:09amiconnWhy would you want to build without remote support?
11:13:38amiconnThe remote code isn't doing much when no remote is plugged
11:13:55*JdGordon doesnt know...
11:14:02JdGordonsome people are just odd
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11:14:11LinusNthe only reason i can think of is if the hardware is broken somehow
11:14:23LinusNso it thinks a remote is connected
11:14:53LinusNi think we should reject it
11:15:03LinusN"useless" :-)
11:15:07amiconnWell, it does draw to the remote framebuffer, but that part doesn't need much cpu time
11:15:38amiconnThe data transfer and button reading is what costs cpu power... but that's only done when a remote is plugged
11:15:49JdGordonok, closing
11:16:06Mmmmamiconn: do you aprove of the new q value icons? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.scarratt/Rockbox/icons.png
11:16:14VoltageXHeh, well I have a remote from a different iriver model (I think) and some times it's detected wrongly or acts up but I agree, there's not much reason to remove remote support
11:17:31amiconnVoltageX: What remote do you have, and what iriver?
11:17:37*bluebrother spots the word "useless" :D
11:17:41LinusN:-)
11:17:42amiconnMaybe the detection needs a little tuning...
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11:18:30LinusNobo: the patch looks ok
11:18:39amiconnMmmm: What about using the small Q icon only, and leaving the M/S as standard letter?
11:19:02JdGordonnext one... # 2662,
11:19:02JdGordonAdds the "Show ID3 Info" menu item to the file context
11:19:02JdGordonmenu
11:19:04JdGordon?
11:19:09JdGordonsorry.. that pasted wrong
11:19:17Mmmmamiconn: that makes the code a lot more complex
11:19:28oboLinusN: good :) Whats the next stage then?
11:19:46amiconnMmmm: How so?
11:19:46LinusNobo: have you compiled it for all targets?
11:20:22Mmmmamiconn: ifdefs here, ifdefs there... its so nice looking now that everyone is on icons! :)
11:20:25oboLinusN: no, not all - I did a test compile for a h120 last night, which was fine
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11:20:43VoltageXamiconn sorry, should have been more specific... H340, no idea which remote it is (2nd hand) and it only detects wrongly for a minute if you're looking at the debug stuff
11:20:58VoltageX*but* some of the buttons don't do what you'd expect
11:21:03LinusNobo: how about the sim?
11:21:03amiconnMmmm: Did I say the M/S should be an actual letter? A letter can still be an icon...
11:21:40oboLinusN: it isn't defined, but give me a few minutes...
11:21:51amiconnIt's just that the M/S has an actual meaning, while the Q is just a constant prefix
11:23:21amiconnHmm, and I would replace that odd "00" icon with a plain "k"
11:23:48Mmmm00 icon?
11:23:57Mmmmin the screenshot?
11:24:01Mmmmor the code?
11:24:11LinusNwhat is that icon anyway?
11:24:37Mmmmwhat icon?
11:24:48LinusNthe one to the right of "44k"
11:24:49*Mmmm is lost
11:25:04Mmmmstop?
11:25:10LinusNto the right
11:25:28Paul_The_NerdThe stereo icon?
11:25:32Mmmmahh..that left :D... that's a stereo icon
11:25:35bluebrotherstereo?
11:25:38Paul_The_NerdIt doesn't look like a stereo icon
11:25:47Paul_The_NerdI just guessed that's what it was after someone mentioned there was one.
11:25:54Mmmmgive me a good stereo icon and it's in!
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11:26:35VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, it's the two "O" circles overlapping? I think it's just because it's so small
11:26:49Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: I think it's because they're open circles
11:27:04Paul_The_NerdTry putting a much smaller half-circle (or just a few pixels) on the inside side of each one.
11:27:17VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: how else would you represent stereo?
11:27:38Paul_The_NerdLike, on the O on the left, touching the right 'wall' of the O put a few dots to make a dark lump clinging to it, so it looks a little more like a speaker pointing outward.
11:28:24Mmmmit can only be 5 pixels wide
11:28:30Paul_The_NerdAh
11:28:55VoltageXAren't small screens so much fun?
11:29:02Paul_The_NerdI thought it was 7 wide.
11:29:02LinusNlovely
11:29:06*Paul_The_Nerd hasn't looked at it in a while
11:29:14Paul_The_NerdWhat is the exact dimension then?
11:29:15amiconnIiuc this icon just stands for "000" to indicate the sampling frequency
11:29:43Mmmmno... there is a k after 44
11:29:53Paul_The_NerdMmmm: 5 wide by how many tall?
11:30:01Mmmm7 tall
11:30:13amiconnSo what does it mean, then?
11:30:20Mmmmstereo
11:30:31Mmmmas in recording in stereo
11:30:49Mmmmno. of channels
11:30:54Mmmm=2
11:30:55amiconnHuh? I thought the M to the left of the Q setting is the Mono/Stereo indicator...
11:31:02Mmmmmp3
11:31:34Mmmm(I was wonsering what the S was in M/S ! ha ha..
11:31:38amiconnHmm....
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11:31:54amiconnArchos can only record in MP3 atm
11:31:59Mmmmatm!
11:32:17amiconnThat's why I didn't expect an indicator for that anywhere
11:32:23Mmmmi see..
11:32:31VoltageXwhoa, I have been away from rockbox for a while. It's been changing. Whoever wrote the (threading?) cleanup code that means plugins don't make the audio skip is a legend!
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11:34:36oboLinusN: apart from the normal error about Flash being full, it builds cleanly on recv2, h120 and 5g, both sim and normal
11:34:48LinusNwonderful
11:34:55Paul_The_NerdHow 'bout just something like this for a stereo icon? http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2352/icon1hm2.png
11:35:11LinusNPaul_The_Nerd: i like it
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11:35:57Paul_The_NerdAnd thin I suppose http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5791/icon2pv2.png for the mono version
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11:36:08Paul_The_Nerdthen
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11:36:43LinusNPaul_The_Nerd: or rather just one centered "speaker"
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11:37:23Mmmmwhy cant i see your stereo icon? :(
11:37:34Paul_The_NerdLinusN: That works as well. I'm just a fan of symmetry. ;) But either works for me.
11:37:52Paul_The_NerdMmmm: What happens when you go there? It's a very small image.
11:38:17Mmmmit just keeps on loading and gets nowhere..the mono one works fine
11:39:09Paul_The_NerdMmmm: Reuploaded it, try this? http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1080/icon1pn0.png
11:39:29Mmmmooohh....That's good!
11:39:40LinusNPaul_The_Nerd: i think the difference between the mono/stereo icons works better if the speaker images look the same
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11:39:49Paul_The_NerdLinusN: We can do that then.
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11:43:36Mmmmdo you want the mono speaker facing right or left?
11:46:09LinusNright
11:46:11Paul_The_NerdI think Right would look a little better for most people, though I really can't justify it with any more than a feeling.
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11:47:06aliaskIt flows with the usual left to right text reading - so your eyes are going in that direction... at least that's the justification I'd give.
11:50:09LinusNaliask: so we should change the icon when you change to a language that reads from right to left? :-)
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11:50:25aliaskExactly :)
11:50:53LinusNi'd like to have all icons themable
11:51:03aliaskThere's a patch which does this
11:51:10aliaskIt reads them from a .bmp
11:51:20LinusNyes, but that patch is a total mess
11:51:44aliaskYeah, it took me about 3 hours to get it to work
11:52:08aliaskAs for coding style, I wasn't really paying attention.
11:53:02LinusNare we talking about the same patch?
11:53:27Mmmmhere are Pauls icon on the recorder...http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.scarratt/Rockbox/iconsst.png and http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.scarratt/Rockbox/iconsmon.png
11:55:51aliaskHrm, not sure - I'll find it.
11:56:07Paul_The_NerdAt the very least it's clear it's an icon and representative of something other than the number '00' :)
11:56:19LinusNaliask: i was talking about this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2981
11:56:37MmmmPaul_The_Nerd: I like it myself :)
11:56:45aliaskLinusN: Yes, that one.
11:58:22LinusNaliask: that patch wasn't too bad, i think i meant this one when i said it was a total mess: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2931
11:58:24pondlifeIs it good that Flyspray allows anonymous comments? I think not...
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11:58:42hcsI just went through about 50 WPS themes and wound up sticking with iCatcher anyway
11:58:48LinusNpondlife: to protect against spam?
11:58:48mrayhi, i'm looking for some applications for my iRivier 340 - where is a good resource to get games and stuff?
11:59:00LinusNmray: www.rockbox.org :-)
11:59:19pondlife"Comment by - Wednesday, 08 February 2006, 09:49PM" is a bit "useless"..
11:59:31LinusNpondlife: :-)
11:59:48pondlifeDon't worry - the useless amnesty starts here
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12:00:08mraywww.rockbox.org seems only to provide the os.
12:00:17markunmray: the OS comes with the games
12:00:17Paul_The_NerdWell anonymous allows people to add information to bugs even if they're one of those "I hate signing up for anything" folks.
12:00:36aliaskLinusN: I like the ideas of that patch, I was thinking about some kind of statusbar WPS, because of the varying level of complexity that is desired by different users.
12:00:50pondlifeTrue, but makes it harder to follow up and get response when a bug has been fixed, which can be frustrating
12:00:53aliaskAnon. comments make it hard to get in contact with the OP.
12:01:04aliaskEr - what pondlife said.
12:01:14markunmray: but you need to download some wad files to play doom and roms to play with the gameboy emu
12:01:18pondlifeYes, but with correct grammar ;-)
12:01:42aliaskPsht - this is the internet!
12:01:52Paul_The_NerdHere's an idea: Make the status bar for all practical purposes an extra WPS entirely. Giving the option to define its height (for example, two lines, the second being the currently playing song, like some people have requested the ability to always see).
12:01:54LinusNaliask: yes, a statusbar config would be nice some day, but i think we could start in a small scale by allowing custom icons and custom height
12:02:19Paul_The_Nerd:-P
12:02:25pondlifeMaybe this should wait until after viewports? Sounds like the statusbar will be a viewport...
12:02:38LinusNpondlife: maybe so
12:03:04pondlifeAlthough "after viewports" could prevent progress... is anyone actually working on that idea at all?
12:03:24markunpondlife: amiconn's working on it in his head
12:03:31pondlifeGood
12:03:58pondlifeHmm, in other news, doesn't Sudoku already have an option to solve the current puzzle?
12:04:11LinusNobo: committed
12:05:22oboLinusN: Yay! Thanks :)
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12:05:56Mmmmso amiconn, where were we? You reckon the MQ should be an icon but the number should be a sysfont char?
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12:06:31LinusNin fact, we should be able to implement the autopause function on the archos too
12:07:29markunLinusN: do we have other targets where we can do headphone detection besides ipods? It will be possible on the gigabeat
12:07:37oboLinusN: apps/codecs.c and codecs.h - some other changes have slipped through?
12:07:46LinusNmarkun: archos
12:07:57LinusNobo: damn
12:08:00markunyou answered before I could ask my question :)
12:08:34linuxstb_obo: Any reason for not implementing on all ipods? According to the IPL GPIO wiki page, the same GPIO pin is used on the mini as the later ipods. For the 3G, it's on bit 0 on GPIO_B
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12:13:39obolinuxstb_: I was enabling it as others reported it as working - I started working on it after seeing the rb IO Debug screen
12:14:34obolinuxstb_: I can create a patch to define it for the 3g and mini, and put in a different GPIO check for the 3gs
12:17:32linuxstb_That would be good.
12:17:55hcswhere should I put the .tcd files that songdb.pl produces?
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12:18:52O11hey
12:18:53JdGordonhcs: .rockbox
12:19:14O11I need to replace the battery in my H320.. and I'm not completely sure what battery I need to buy..
12:19:19hcsJdGordon: ok, that's what I thought, something else must be messed up
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12:19:26O11anyone know if this is the right sort?>> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=48051&criteria=ipod%20battery&doy=26m9
12:19:35JdGordonhcs: you have the .idx files also?
12:19:40JdGordoni tihnk thats the extension
12:19:45JdGordonthe index file
12:19:55hcsno, I think songdb might have bailed out early
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12:19:57BagderO11: ask in a suitable misticriver forum and you're likely to get a better response
12:20:19aliaskO11: I think those are the ones.
12:20:22Paul_The_Nerd O11: I'm about 90% sure that's a usable one, if you swap the red and black wires in the connector
12:20:23markunO11: It's the right battery
12:20:43aliaskOh yeah, don't forget to switch the polarity.
12:20:54JdGordonhcs: you need tagcache.idx.tcd have u got it?
12:20:58O11yay! they're so cheap! =D
12:21:12pondlifeWhat capacity mAh is the original H320 battery?
12:21:20markun1400?
12:21:21hcsJdGordon: ok, it exited cleanly this time, but I have no .idx, only tagcache_idx.tcd
12:21:37JdGordonyeah, thats the one... and it doesnt load?
12:21:40O11pondlife: i don't think it matters because in rockbox you can change what the capacity is..
12:21:43JdGordonhave you got tagcache enabled?
12:22:10O11but yeah.. are there any guides on replacing the battery without having to get to the plug..?
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12:22:22pondlifeNo, I just wondered what sort of improvement over std that battery might give.
12:22:24Paul_The_NerdO11: You can't change what the capacity is. You can tell Rockbox what the capacity is so that it can better estimate remaining time (on players where that's calibrated)
12:23:54pondlifeYes, on the H300 it's still too pessimistic. I'm configured for 2600mAh for a close estimate, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong!
12:24:04hcsJdGordon: I'm trying to enable tagcache, when I go to the browser it says tagcache not ready, do I have to initialize it even if the .tcds are already there?
12:24:15O11Paul_The_Nerd: that's what I meant =P
12:24:16JdGordonhcs: no idea..
12:24:30JdGordonhcs: Slasheri is your man on that one...
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12:25:37Paul_The_NerdO11: Just making sure. Some people have been known to trust the estimates, and thinking that increasing the capacity in Rockbox actually gives them longer runtime
12:25:51O11I can imagine =0
12:25:57pondlifeNice feature! :-)
12:26:06O11but yeah.. there's also an even higher capacity one.. http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=48052&criteria=ipod%20battery&doy=26m9
12:26:18O11how do I know that it's not fatter?
12:26:26O11i suppose it'd have to fit in the same ipod..
12:26:27pondlifeI'm making a custom build allowing up to 6000mAh, that should give me a day or 2 runtime...
12:26:38preglowargh, three more settings
12:26:39O11pondlife: how?
12:26:53O11pondlife: for the h300?
12:26:53pondlifeJoke!
12:26:55Paul_The_NerdYou can get a day with a 2200mah. 6000 would be several. ;)
12:27:13O11pondlife: oh.. hahaha! =|
12:27:16pondlifeIf I could increase the runtime some more, there would be a patch for it.
12:27:23O11a patch?
12:27:56pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WorkingWithPatches
12:28:29amiconnLinusN: How would that be possible?
12:28:34pondlifeIf you really want to know...! Then look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 for more.
12:28:39amiconn(the autopause on archos)
12:29:55obolinuxstb_: something like http://pastebin.ca/182768 ??
12:30:07O11pondlife: i mean.. what would the patch be for?
12:31:36obolinuxstb_: bah, would be even better if it used an #if instead of an #ifdef
12:32:29pondlifeO11 No idea, I meant that if I knew how, I'd do it.
12:34:00O11pondlife: oh.. to make rockbox use up less power?
12:34:06pondlifeYep
12:34:41O11hmm.. should I get the higher capicity battery for 20 or the lower capacity for 6
12:35:11O112200 or 1600?
12:35:19JdGordongo the 2200
12:35:21O11any idea what the run times would be like?
12:35:44O11..on rockbox..
12:35:48JdGordonmany hours, and not as many :p
12:35:52Paul_The_Nerd2200 is reported to get like, 28+ hours on H300?
12:35:57pondlifeWell, if I was replacing (which doesn't seem too easy on the H340) then I'd go for the highest capacity I could get.
12:36:08O11at the moment I'm only getting an hour and a half on rockbox =P I'm not that fussy..
12:36:39hcsdoh, iPod is little endian, isn't it
12:36:49pondlifeI'm on about 18 hours at the moment
12:37:03pondlifeWill be replacing battery in a year or so I guess.
12:37:09O11my h320 is practically unusable unless it's plugged in..
12:37:11pondlifeIf all else continues to work ok.
12:37:37O11i mean.. there's just such a big price gap between the 1600 and the 2200
12:37:49Mmmmamiconn: do I have your blessing on the icons for the archos or are you not convinced?
12:37:53O11any idea how long the 1600 has lasted for people?
12:38:00markunO11: on ebay you can get the 2200 for less
12:38:07*O11 has a look
12:38:11JdGordon1600 is the standrad one isnt it? about 16 hours or soething
12:38:13markunhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Apple-iPod-1-1st-Generat-Battery-2200-mAh-UP325385A4H_W0QQitemZ320031403118QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3728QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
12:38:51pondlifeGood Li-Ion quote from batteryuniversity.com - "Whereas a nail penetration test could be tolerated on the older 1.35Ah 18650 cell, a high-density 2.4Ah would become a bomb when performing the same test.."
12:39:01markunO11: here are some runtimes http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime
12:39:24hcsJdGordon: that was it, I had to generate the database in little endian
12:39:32amiconnJdGordon: Standard battery is 1400mAh on H300
12:39:46JdGordon:)
12:39:59hcsmight want to change the usage statement to say "Write out data as little endian (for iPod or simulator)"
12:40:47O11http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Apple-iPod-1-1st-Generat-Battery-2200-mAh-UP325385A4H_W0QQitemZ320031403118QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3728QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
12:40:47Bagdernot only ipod
12:40:51O11looks like the best one..
12:40:58O11markun: haha.. snap..
12:41:11hcsBagder: ok, but in any case, it only says "for simulator" now
12:41:26Bagderthat's not even true in all cases either
12:41:28amiconn...and you can get ~20 hours of playback (192kbps mp3)
12:41:37Bagderif you run the sim on a PPC Mac OS for example
12:41:43hcsyeah
12:41:57BagderI'll change that
12:42:00hcsthanks
12:42:29hcsworks great now that I can generate the cache...
12:43:28O11amiconn: with what battery?
12:43:31O111400?
12:43:35amiconnyes
12:43:38O11on rockbox?
12:43:41amiconnyes
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12:43:50amiconnof yields less runtime
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12:44:01O11that seems amazing to me.. i've been used to stupidly short runtimes..
12:44:07O11hey san
12:44:20O11san: just working out which replacement battery to buy..
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12:45:13markunO11: I have the ebay 2200mAh in my h120. Was a very tight fit because it's about 1 or 1.5 mm thicker.
12:45:45amiconnThe 20 hours are for continuous playback... real-life runtime will be less, but still good
12:46:06aliaskOh, *that's* why I had to remove the harddrive padding when I replaced my battery.
12:46:52Slasherihmm, just fixed 3 critical bugs in tagcache..
12:47:05Slasheribut need still to test more
12:47:35hcsSlasheria: ah, tagcache guy, what do you think of my proposal to write an iTunesDB to tagcache convertor?
12:47:39pondlifeSlasheri: Any opinion on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5934?
12:48:52Slasheripondlife: i got the idea from the patch, but needed to completely rewrite it
12:48:57Slasherishould be included in next commit
12:49:33Slasherihcs: hmm, sounds interesting. but is there any benefits of writing that?
12:50:14hcsSlasheri: its mostly for me because I'd rather spend the time writing the converter than tagging the thousands of songs on my ipod
12:50:44hcsand i think it would be helpful for people just switching over to have nearly the same interface to access all their old songs
12:51:02Slasheripondlife: now that bug + duplicate entries after commit + deleting entries corrupting db should be fixed
12:51:27Slasherihcs: ah, so the problem is that tags are in itunes db but not in real files?
12:51:35Slasherithen it sounds ok
12:51:36hcsSlasheri: precisely
12:51:47O11markun: okay.. buying the battery now.. are you in the uk? how long did it take to get to you?
12:52:11Paul_The_Nerdhcs: Creating it as a plugin, right?
12:52:25hcsPaul_The_Nerd: I'm going to do it up in linux with libgpod, might make it a plugin if it turns out to be reasonably useful
12:52:37Paul_The_NerdAh, so not even really a part of Rockbox. Gotcha
12:53:01hcsand how come I just now discovered nick tab completion?
12:53:15pondlifeA plugin would probably be best for migrating users..
12:53:16Paul_The_NerdIt was hiding
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12:54:05pondlifeOK
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12:54:26pondlifeIs there no software out there to apply the iTunesDB to the file tags?
12:54:30markunO11: I'm in the Netherlands. Took maybe a week.
12:54:39pondlifeThat would be more useful!
12:54:52hcspondlife: iTunes itself will do that, actually, but I have this mental block about modifying the files
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12:55:06pondlifeMake a backup first?
12:55:12obolinuxstb_, LinusN: does FS #6067 look okay?
12:55:24pondlifeQuicker than writing the code... ;-)
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12:55:54hcspondlife: yeah, but I prefer the quick running solution to the quick doing-it-once solution
12:56:51pondlifeOK. I just don't know enough about iTunes I guess and assumed it would keep the files in sync safely.
12:56:52hcsto be able to set it up for my iPod-wielding friends in the time it takes to parse the database without any irrevesible changes
12:57:56hcsand, as silly as it is, I have WAVs on here, how would I tag them? (and don't say encode to flac...)
12:58:52pondlifeWAVPACK?
12:59:01pondlife;-)
12:59:08hcsquiet, you
12:59:12O11I've bought teh battery!
12:59:32O11I'm going to need to check the polarity of the original battery right/
12:59:41O11and then put the new battery in accordingly..
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13:00:29linuxstb_obo: I wouldn't use CONFIG_CPU - logically, it's nothing to do with the CPU. I would use IPOD_4G_PAD and IPOD_3G_PAD - and explicitly check for the IPOD_4G_PAD, rather than assuming that's the case.
13:00:29O11right?
13:02:32wuffieIs there a list of current bugs that I can veiw/search before i submit a bug report?
13:02:56LinusNwuffie: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2
13:03:12wuffiecheers :o)
13:05:09amiconnLinusN: [12:28:29] <amiconn> LinusN: How would that be possible? (the autopause on archos)
13:05:56*Genre9mp3 listens to music with his "just arrived" Ondio_FM_ :)
13:06:17Genre9mp3Hopefully this one won't have the power draining issue...
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13:10:05obolinuxstb_: okay - it's updated.
13:11:35LinusNamiconn: using the serial port pin
13:12:51linuxstb_obo: Looks good to me. I'll commit it (unless LinusN wants to...)
13:14:52LinusNlinuxstb_: do it
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13:15:12amiconnLinusN: Okay, that means it will work on player and v1 only
13:15:23LinusNyes
13:15:24amiconn(and afaics only if the remote isn't used)
13:15:26obolinuxstb_: thanks
13:15:28markunO11: the polarity needs to be changed, yes
13:15:46linuxstb_LinusN, obo: Done.
13:15:55LinusNamiconn: yes
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13:20:36Slasherihmm, i wonder who is that Uchida in FS (#5934). If anybody knows, please add to CREDITS for the idea. I will commit a fix for tagcache now
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13:23:06Genre9mp3Woohoo! 20min of playback and no warming up of the device! :) Everything seems OK so far!
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14:00:02pondlifeAnyone object if I change the filetree spelling/number voicing to only trigger on hover? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6051 is the patch
14:00:38pondlifeMakes code smaller, more consistant, and should help scrollwheel users a bit.
14:02:01linuxstb_pondlife: I don't use the voice UI, so can't really comment. But I'm wondering if you've tested other values apart from 0.5s.
14:02:20pondlifeWell, I did consider making that configurable..
14:02:33pondlifeBut 1s was too long IMHO
14:02:42pondlifeAnd 0.5s seemed pretty good
14:02:56pondlifeSmaller would probably not be an option
14:03:02pondlifeWhat were you thinking?
14:03:35pondlifeWe really need a proper fix for the "already buffered voice problem" - lostlogic had an idea, but I can't work it out...
14:03:57hcsI must say I appreciate the simple structure of the tagcache, at least at the moment
14:04:20pondlifeKISS is a Rockbox principle.
14:04:39hcsand a good principle for this stupid
14:04:59linuxstb_pondlife: My first reaction was to think smaller than 0.5s, so was just curious if you had tested smaller values.
14:05:42pondlifeHmm, not really. But the idea was to use the same delay as for the thumbnail clips, which is there to prevent unwanted disk access, and is actually too short for me.
14:06:00pondlifeI would probably personally go for 0.75s.
14:06:08Mmmmamiconn: I have got rid of the M for now and used a nice Q icon I made and we are back to sysfont numbers.. hope you like it ;)
14:06:10pondlifeBut didn't want to slow it down for others.
14:06:15linuxstb_OK - as I said, I don't use voice ui...
14:06:41pondlifeI don't think many (non-blind) people do. I guess I'll commit it and see what the reaction is on the MLs.
14:06:53pondlifeIt's not a major bit of code change
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14:08:43amiconnVoice UI is really useful while driving, and still one reason to stick with archos
14:09:30pondlifeH340 does it well too (as long as your fingers aren't fat like mine)
14:09:43pondlifeamiconn: Would you object to this change?
14:10:48pondlifeI bet you use thumbnail clips don't you? In which case it makes no difference...
14:11:28amiconnI use thumbnails for dirs, and numbers for files
14:12:02pondlifeMe too
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14:14:19pondlifeamiconn: So would you object if the number was only read out after a short delay.
14:14:38amiconnI wonder what's wrong with saying it immediately?
14:14:53amiconnI don't like an additional delay there...
14:15:11pondlifeI find it makes selecting a file while driving a bit easier - you get confirmation you are on the right file, if that makes any sense.
14:15:16amiconnThe real problem with voice on swcodec is that preemption doesn't work
14:15:32pondlifeYes, agreed.
14:15:37pondlifeDoes it work ok on Archos then?
14:15:48amiconnOn archos, you will only hear the last number even without a delay if you're scrolling fast
14:16:22pondlifeOK. Well any idea on how to make mp3_play_stop work well on SWCODEC?? ;-)
14:16:59pondlifeIt's not a queuing delay (either in talk or playback). It seems to be that the voice already got passed into the PCM buffer.
14:17:11amiconnyes
14:17:25amiconnlostlogic wanted to look into it...
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14:17:55pondlifeI assume pcmbuf.c needs a new entry point to reset voice buffer or something. I shall await lostlogic's input...
14:17:57amiconnIirc the problem is that the pcm buffer length cannot go below a certain threshold without causing ski
14:18:00amiconnpping
14:18:28pondlifeYes, but doesn't the voice have a dedicated PCM buffer?
14:18:39amiconnAlso iirc, pcm_playback does the mixing between main audio and voice - directly into the pcm buffer
14:19:52pondlifeI don't think that will need to change, if we can find a nice way to clear the queued PCM data from the voice buffer first..
14:19:57amiconnMy idea was to use 2 pcm buffers, and do the mixing in the isr
14:19:57lostlogicpondlife: no, there's not a separate buffer
14:20:07pondlifeAh, I misunderstood that then.
14:20:12lostlogicit's mixed into the main pcmbuffer as it's decoded
14:20:24lostlogicto fix this problem, it would need a dedicated buffer and something very close to just-in-time mixing
14:20:32amiconnpondlife: My idea is that there should be a separate buffer...
14:20:33pondlifevoicebuf = &fadebuf[PCMBUF_MIX_CHUNK] ?
14:20:40pondlifeIs that not a seperate buffer?
14:20:59pondlifeAlongside the crossfade buffer...
14:22:48pondlifeI have almost got my head around playback.c, but barely around pcmbuf.c - obviously!
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14:23:31lostlogicit's only a uhh 1/4? 1/8? second buffer, and only used for one 'chunk' of voice at a time
14:23:38pondlifeAh, ok
14:23:57pondlifeSo the voce data has already gone through this too.
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14:24:40pondlifes/voce/voice
14:25:02lostlogicyeah −− basically the voice codec decodes into that fadebuf[pcmbuf_mix_chunk] spot, and when it's done, it gets mixed into the (hoepfully correct) position in the main pcmbuffer
14:25:49pondlifeSo it should really have a seperate buffer that can be overwritten, and then mixed just-in-time, along with audio fade.
14:25:57lostlogicright
14:26:14pondlifeMight be beyond me for now at least.
14:26:38lostlogicI was kinda afraid to try the JinT mixing, because it seems like it would be too much processing to do in the FIQ or interrupt and I'm not sure where else it could possibly be done
14:26:40Genre9mp3OndioFM _is_ able to record from FM Radio, right?
14:26:57*linuxstb_ worries about how voice can work when Rockbox supports playback at varying samplerates (e.g. on ipods)..
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14:28:07lostlogiclinuxstb_: we'd hafta resample the voice to the target sample rate before buffering it?
14:28:27pondlifeWe do that anyway, don't we?
14:28:48lostlogichmm, do we run it through the DSP? I forget.
14:28:50linuxstb_What if a voice clip spans two tracks with different samplerates?
14:29:06pondlifeWell a voice file (at 12kHz) is overlaid on the audio...
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14:29:40lostlogiclinuxstb_: well when we've added that support then we'll also have a way to know what the sample rate of where we're playing from in the pcmbuffer is, so we'll know what sample rate to mix the voice at?
14:30:01preglowvoice is resampled
14:30:02mraysomebody knows if there is the chance to get certain games that have been removed ?
14:30:21markunmray: which ones?
14:30:23pondlifemray: Do you mean Tetrox by any chance?
14:30:35mrayno
14:30:59mraywell, currently i would like to get "any" game to run...
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14:31:08pondlifeSudoku?
14:31:25mraybut i was searching for the "pearls" and found out that some guys forced to remove the plugin
14:31:35pondlifeJewels?
14:31:44mrayyep
14:31:45Genre9mp3...If yes... then I wonder: (1) Why you don't get that option from "Recording Settings > Source" like on other targets (eg. H300), (2) If you leave the Radio screen but let Radio play, when you go to the Recording screen (from the Main Menu) Radio stops, and (3) Choosing "Recording Screen" from the Radio Menu results to a "nice" freeze!
14:32:04pondlifeShould still be there..
14:32:25markunmray: only the name was changed
14:32:33hcsto protect the guilty
14:32:35mray?!
14:32:39pondlifeAnd some graphics...
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14:32:52markunmray: so you can't play any games from the 'plugins' menu?
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14:33:24Genre9mp3All these, makes it impossible to record FM Radio with OndioFM (except if I miss something)
14:33:28pondlifemray: Browse Plugins and you should see jewels listed
14:33:36mrayat least i didn't find out how it works
14:33:42mrayi
14:33:47mrayoops
14:34:04mrayi downloaded doom + wads and i have no clue how it should work
14:34:16mraythen i tried rockboy but had no luck either.
14:34:21mray:S
14:34:24markunmray: search the wiki
14:34:43mrayi was following the wiki - but i seems to me like it is not complete
14:34:50Paul_The_NerdIt is
14:35:01Paul_The_NerdThe instructions on the wiki work, for both PluginDoom and PluginRockboy
14:35:30markunmray: where did you get stuck?
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14:36:57mrayi downloaded rockdoom and put it in the right directory
14:37:15mraythen i added several other wads doom2 and doom
14:38:17markunand then?
14:38:27mrayright - and then?
14:38:36Paul_The_NerdThat's our question
14:38:39mrayi have no clue - i tried to "start" the rockdoom
14:38:40Paul_The_NerdWhat happened when you ran the Doom plugin?\
14:38:47markun"The Doom plugin is NOT a viewer. It is run from the plugins list, similar to Jewels and the others."
14:38:50Paul_The_NerdWhere does it say "Click on Rockdoom.wad"?
14:38:53mrayi see no plugin listed in the plugins list
14:39:12mrayi tried to do that as it was the only thing i was able to try :P
14:39:24Paul_The_NerdWell, it should be expected that when you try the wrong thing, it won't work
14:39:24mrayam i missing some files?
14:39:27Paul_The_NerdWhat player do you have?
14:39:34mrayiriver h320
14:39:40Paul_The_NerdAnd you're running an official build?
14:39:50mraythe latest, yes.
14:39:57markunmray: if the plugin list is empty maybe you didn't extract the complete zip file..
14:40:59amiconnGenre9mp3: The 'recording screen' item in the radio context menu on archos is a bug
14:41:02mraythere is only a *.wad linked in the wiki
14:41:16markunmray: I'm talking about the rockbox zip file
14:41:22amiconnYou don't need the recording screen at all, just start the recording from the radio screen, by double-clicking Mode
14:41:52mraydo i need all the PC files of doom on my iriver?
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14:42:05Paul_The_Nerdmray: You only need those described on the wiki page.
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14:42:27Paul_The_Nerdmray: What shows up when you choose to Browse Plugins in the main menu? Do you have all the plugins there?
14:42:37Genre9mp3amiconn: Thanx for the tip... Shouldn't be a "Record" option in Radio context Menu as well, though?
14:43:16mrayi see no plugins - and i don't understand what i have to do in order to see them.
14:43:25Paul_The_NerdYou haven't installed Rockbox properly then
14:43:28Paul_The_NerdAs Markun said.
14:43:29markunmray: unzip the rockbox zip file to your player
14:43:44Genre9mp3amiconn: Also, would (1) make sense on Archos?
14:43:49markunit contains all the plugins
14:43:49mrayi see nothing it says "no files"
14:44:04liniwow ipod autopause is in the CVS
14:44:04markunwhich file are you trying to unzip then?
14:44:09linithanks guys :)
14:44:35hcsooh, keen
14:45:06mrayok i download the latest build for the h300 series now.
14:46:02mrayi unzip and get one file and one folder. "rockbox.iriver" and "/.rockbox"
14:46:05PaulJamthe latedt dayly for the h300 doesn't contaun any plugins
14:46:34mrayi need to get the "old" builds?
14:46:44markunmray: no, everything is in the .rockbox folder
14:46:52linuxstb_mray: Download the latest "cvs build" for the h300.
14:48:11mrayok i have the latest CVS now
14:48:26mrayand i think i just need to copy it over to my root directory now - right?
14:48:39amiconnGenre9mp3: Radio stopping when you go to the recording screen is deliberate.
14:48:42linuxstb_PaulJam: I think that's because the daily builds are built on www.rockbox.org, and that server has an old version of m68-elf-gcc which needs upgrading (the aac commit broke the Coldfire builds on pre 3.4.5 versions of m68k-elf-gcc)
14:49:11amiconnOn archos there is no audio multiplexer to select between line in and radio, instead, the radio is just jooked up in parallel with the line in socket
14:49:26amiconns/jooked/hooked/
14:49:59Genre9mp3Oh.... so (1) doesn't make sense then, too
14:50:00markunmray: I think I have to appologise :) Just dowloaded the last daily build and can't see any plugins either.
14:50:08amiconnYou can verify that by enabling the radio, then connect the Ondio's 'line in' with a line in of your amplifier
14:50:33mrayi appreciate anny effort to help me - no need to appologize :)
14:50:48amiconnYou will hear the radio playing via the amplifier - meaning the Ondio's 'line in' works as a line out for radio...
14:50:52mrayso what do i do now?
14:51:10Genre9mp3amiconn: I see....
14:51:24markunmray: they are in the latest cvs build
14:51:43Genre9mp3amiconn: Everything's clear to me, now
14:51:45mraythe last entry on top you mean? : http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=h300
14:52:01markunmray: http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-h300/rockbox.zip
14:52:17Genre9mp3amiconn: But I still think that there should be a "Record" option on Radio context menu on Archos
14:52:42Genre9mp3...and of course remove the "Record Screen" option
14:53:49mrayok i upgraded now and restart
14:53:52Genre9mp3Currently, a user isn't aware of this ability (to Record from Radio)
14:54:35mraycan i delete the .HEX file btw?
14:54:47markunsure
14:55:32amiconnGenre9mp3: It should be in the manual...
14:55:45pixelmaamiconn: it's not (yet)
14:56:52Genre9mp3Besides the manual, an option in the context menu would be good to have IMO
14:57:51Genre9mp3So a user could record by double-pressing mode OR by selecting "Record" from the menu
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15:01:44markunmray: Can you see the games in the plugin list now?
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15:05:14mrayyes! ;D
15:05:17mrayamazing!
15:05:33mrayi'm actually playing doom on my iriver :D thanks!
15:06:24markun:)
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15:39:22mraysay, does that rockboy also play "gameboy advance" stuff?
15:40:36linuxstb_No, just Gameboy and Gameboy Color.
15:41:57mrayok thank you guys - you were really a great help!
15:42:03*mray bows
15:42:14*mray is afk ...
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15:52:24theli_uacan anyone look at this : http://rafb.net/paste/results/U4zc8P70.html
15:52:45theli_uaand help me :)
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15:54:23LinusNtheli_ua: so what is the problem?
15:55:26theli_uai have long (4 BYTES), i need int64 which contains _16bpp_colors [ each byte from that long ]
15:55:35theli_uaand i'm doing something wrong
15:55:40LinusNyes you are
15:55:49theli_ua:)
15:55:56theli_uawhat am i doing wrong?
15:56:20LinusNi assume that tmpcol is a 32-bit value?
15:56:56theli_uayes
15:57:29theli_uashort _16bpp_colors [16]
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16:00:19theli_uaLinusN, so what is wrong?
16:02:38amiconntheli_ua: As long as you don't tell the compiler otherwise, everything (including the constants) is of type 'int' in C
16:03:10amiconnSo (tmpcol & <constant>) >> n is still 32bit
16:03:18theli_uai see
16:03:23amiconnand if you shift it left by more than 31 bits, it will be zero
16:03:29theli_uathanx
16:03:44amiconnJust using 0xf000LL etc for the constants should be enough
16:03:49amiconnOr e.g.
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16:04:27amiconnexplicit cast: (unit64_t)((tmpcol & 0xf000) >> 24)
16:04:30LinusNstill, i assume you mean to use 0xff000000
16:04:40amiconnuint64_t of course
16:04:41LinusNand 0x00ff0000 etc
16:04:47amiconnYeah, and that
16:04:58*amiconn didn't see that one...
16:05:26amiconnThe explicit cast should be better, in that it doesn't waste precision
16:05:44amiconnYou need to cast _before_ the left shift
16:05:51LinusNyes
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16:06:11godzirraheya guys.
16:06:29LinusNhey
16:06:46godzirraI was looking for a good quality mp3 player that supports rockbox. Can you guys give any good suggestions? I love my H-120 but its getting old and worn down.
16:07:00LinusNiaudio x5 is a good chioce imho
16:07:05LinusNchoice even
16:07:09godzirrawhy?
16:07:25LinusNit is well supported by rockbox
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16:07:54LinusNhas a nice color lcd
16:08:03LinusNgood battery life
16:08:33godzirraAnd I'm guessing it acts as a normal usb hard drive to get music onto it?
16:08:43LinusNyes
16:08:47LinusNsame as h120
16:08:48markunLinusN: IS it a nice screen?
16:08:53LinusNi like it
16:08:58LinusNit'
16:09:08LinusNs not as good as h300 or ipod
16:09:09godzirraHmm... ok, maybe I'll take a look at that.
16:09:17LinusNthe lcd
16:09:19godzirraEh. Screen is something "neat".
16:09:22godzirranot something I require.
16:09:31LinusNthen i think you'll like the x5
16:09:32godzirraI mean, I require a screen... but I'm not giong to watch movies on a 1.5" lcd :)
16:09:44godzirrawhats the cradle for?
16:10:20godzirraIs it a proprietary usb cable? Or standard mini usb?
16:10:29godzirraand does it need the cradle to copy songs?
16:11:49LinusNit has a "subpack" which has the standard USB connector
16:12:08LinusNgtg
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16:12:40godzirradarnit.
16:13:24preglowit needs the subpack to copy songs, obviously
16:13:36preglowsince the unit itself only has a custom connector containting lots of stuff
16:13:51preglowso if you know you're gonna copy songs, you need to take that along with you or just keep it connected to the unit
16:13:57preglowi don't think it makes the player much bigger
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16:17:52godzirraHm.
16:18:30godzirraI hate proprietary connectors :/
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16:19:57vertic23hey.. can anybody help me with WPS?
16:20:06vertic23I don't find any instructions what to do
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16:20:30vertic23only copy the files into the .rockbox directory?
16:20:44vertic23the WPS thing into WPS and the .cfg into THEMES?
16:21:56bluebrotherusually, yes.
16:22:24bluebrotherthe bitmaps for the wps go into a subdir of wps/ with the same name as the wps itself (excluding extension)
16:23:15vertic23hmm where to "enable" it in the menu?
16:23:45bluebrotherif you have a cfg in themes/ then use "browse themes"
16:23:54bluebrotherotherwise "browse wps files"
16:24:02vertic23ok
16:24:17vertic23works
16:24:20vertic23thx
16:24:43vertic23but wont fit on the display lol :D
16:24:57vertic23I need a WideScreen I guess ;D
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16:26:19vertic23where to put "Fonts"?
16:26:24bluebrotherfonts/
16:26:39bluebrother(/.rockbox/fonts to be exact)
16:26:53vertic23...even if it's not there
16:26:55vertic23yet..
16:27:04bluebrotherit should be there.
16:27:05rasherHow come the "Split Filesize" is voiced in "kilobits per second" rather than "megabytes"?
16:27:19vertic23it's not
16:27:24bluebrotheras you most probably wanted to install the fonts package.
16:27:26vertic23now it is
16:27:38vertic23nope.. I wanted to install a theme
16:28:05vertic23...or I want to install a fonts package? =)
16:28:15bluebrotheryou usually should install the fonts package as it includes the commonly used fonts.
16:28:22vertic23is it good? :P)ok
16:28:57bluebrotherwithout the fonts most shipped themes will look broken.
16:29:20bluebrotheralso, it should have rockbox_default.fnt already installed
16:29:43vertic23...but not in "a" fonts dir (in .rockbox)
16:30:10bluebrotherthe fonts are in /.rockbox/fonts
16:30:18vertic23...NOW they are...
16:30:25bluebrotherif not, something is wrong ...
16:30:26vertic23just copied the package there
16:30:38vertic23before there was no directory ^^
16:31:08bluebrotheryou should be able browsing the fonts from the main menu (general settings / display / browse fonts)
16:31:44rasherYou can't if there's no font dir though, which there isn't unless you create it
16:31:57rasher(by installing the fonts pack, or manually creating the dir)
16:33:07vertic23yea, done that =)
16:33:19bluebrotherok, just looked it up. The rockbox_default.fnt is indeed not included in the binary distribution. Thought it is there.
16:33:21vertic23now got Silk running
16:33:36vertic23looks nicely =)
16:34:08amiconnbluebrother: It doesn't need to, as long as there are no other fonts installed. rockbox_default is built into the binary (as well)
16:35:06vertic23ok.. now doing Doom I+II - I can't believe someone made rockbox that easy..
16:35:14bluebrotherok, thanks for clarifying :)
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16:35:41vertic23I always though "linux"-like stuff is _always_ very ...ehm complicated =)
16:36:03rretzbachNot always, but most of the time.
16:36:40bluebrotherto put a quote in here ...
16:36:48bluebrother"Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with."
16:36:56vertic23hehehehe
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16:40:51*rasher gets lost in the menu code
16:41:15vertic23btw is everything casesensitive? e.g. when it says "make a folder called 'games'" - may I also name the folder GAMES?
16:42:16rashervertic23: FAT is case insensitive, so either should work
16:42:28rasheror GaMeS if you like
16:42:37vertic23y3a
16:42:50vertic23but G4M3S won't work, right ;P
16:43:07rasherI wonder how to make recsizesplit use output_dyn_value
16:43:15rasherThe answer seems to be "with great difficulty"
16:44:23rasherI'd settle for "TALK_ID(x, UNIT_MB)" voicing as "x megabytes" instead of "x kilobits per second"
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16:46:03rasherThis: #define TALK_ID(n,u) (((long)(u))<<UNIT_SHIFT | ((n) & ~(-1L<<UNIT_SHIFT))) is completely lost on me
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16:50:12theli_uaamiconn,LinusN maybe i need a rest but i can't get what is wrong with http://rafb.net/paste/results/XMGurv28.html ... what should i cast? (tmpcol now is uint64)
16:51:31amiconntmpcol shouldn't be uint64_t
16:51:47theli_uaanyway
16:52:07theli_uaok.. it is int32 again
16:52:08rasherWho's responsible for the new recording quality settings (on swcodec)?
16:52:25rasherBecause that screen is not voiced correctly either
16:52:33amiconnIt should work as you wrote it, just some more parentheses would be good in order to clarify what belongs together
16:52:46amiconnI gues you get warnings about suggested parentheses
16:52:54rasherIt seems to be caused by people adding to the unit enum in talk.h, and not getting what they want
16:53:01rasherBut how that happens, I have no idea
16:53:10theli_uaamiconn, not a single warning
16:55:12amiconnhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/wwArEp57.html
16:55:38theli_uaamiconn, i've just tried it such way :)
16:56:54rasherjhMikeS: The recording quality screen (swcodec) is not voiced correctly
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17:00:37amiconntheli_ua: And the result? It should work this way afaics
17:01:36theli_uaresult is bad :( ( bad that is not because of data cause i have nice result when treat thema as short[4] and byte[4])
17:02:01theli_uai mean all is fine when i treat that variables as arrays
17:02:17theli_uahm .... headphone unplug doesn't puse for me on mini :(
17:02:30linuxstbHave you enabled the option?
17:02:32rasherAnyone interested in looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5746 (voice building from tools/configure, and voice scripts for linux)?
17:02:34theli_uao
17:02:36theli_ua:)
17:02:47hcsmy converter is initially working
17:02:52theli_ualinuxstb, i thought it is not optional :)
17:03:05rasherHeavens no, everything is optional
17:03:05linuxstbtheli_ua: I would have complained loudly if it wasn't an option :)
17:03:31theli_ualinuxstb, can you say something on that issue i'm struggling with? (i need that for rendering directly into framebuffer in zxbox)
17:04:02amiconn'bad' isn't really descriptive...
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17:05:37theli_uaamiconn, well i mean that result is not what should be :) ...
17:07:05theli_uaheh.. time for home and beer ... bye everyone
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17:09:04rasheramiconn: do you have any ideas about the TALK_ID weirdness? (recent additions in talk.h aren't working correctly)
17:10:59rasherNot working correctly meaning the wrong unit is being spoken (kilobits per second instead of megabytes and some huge number instead of kilobits per second)
17:15:18linuxstbrasher: Just trying your voice scripts now - I just needed to do "apt-get install festival", then apply your patch, and it seems to be running nicely...
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17:18:30rasherlinuxstb: do you have lame installed from an unofficial source? If not, you'll end up with either a speex or vorbis voicefile, which is cool, but useless :)
17:18:50rasherOn the other hand, I think I added a check to force lame, but I'm not entirely sure
17:20:01rasherAh, sortof, it'll exit if lame isn't installed, but you can select the other options
17:23:28amiconnodd...
17:25:24vertic23dudes.. who do I need to "hug"?
17:25:55vertic23my X5V is rocking my ass off... it's so fucking cool
17:26:07excitatorycould someone give me a rough idea on how much more power is consumed when decoding ogg versus mp3? (i don't necessarily need technical details, just an idea)
17:26:24rasherexcitatory: which platform?
17:26:28excitatorynano
17:26:42rasherNo idea
17:27:06obovertic23: run the Credits plugin
17:27:20rasherIf people would use my battery stats page, you might be able to find something to compare between
17:27:20Life^what mods do i need to run iDoom on rockbox?
17:27:32excitatoryok, but from what i understand, ogg decoding is more processor intensive and thus consumes more power, correct?
17:27:37oboexcitatory: ogg uses less power on a nano, but I don't know how much
17:27:56Paul_The_Nerd Life^: iDoom is for iPod Linux. It's not exactly something you can run on Rockbox.
17:27:59excitatoryahh.. interesting..
17:28:10rasherexcitatory: that's true on Coldfire (Iriver, Iaudio) but apparently not on ipod
17:28:11Paul_The_Nerdobo: I think they're about the same these days.
17:28:24oboPaul_The_Nerd: ah, okay, I thought ogg still had the edge
17:28:27rasherPeople should upload their battery benchmarks to my battery stats page, dammit!
17:28:32Life^can rockbox play any 3d games like that?
17:28:50rasherLife^: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
17:28:54Paul_The_Nerdobo: I don't think anyone knows exactly at this point, but MP3 has received more speedups on ARM than Ogg has.
17:29:12excitatorydoes that have anything to do with the multiple cores..or is that not completely implemented yet? last i checked, dan_a was making some nice progress..
17:29:24rasherexcitatory: only one core is used atm
17:30:02excitatorywell, right on.. thank you all for your help :D
17:30:06amiconnrasher: Why yet another battery stats page?
17:30:31rasheramiconn: mine creates graphs!
17:31:10rasheralthough for what excitatory was asking, the current one is fine
17:31:18Paul_The_NerdI'm always amazed people run battery benchmarks with things like... 15 second caption backlights.
17:31:50Paul_The_NerdIt seems like that would make a marked difference.
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17:32:06rasherBattery benchmarks should be run with settings reset to be meaningful
17:32:58rasherUnless of course you're testing the effect of a particular setting
17:33:03Paul_The_NerdIndeed
17:33:34goffa_anyone know what mgetty does? (linux in general)...
17:33:47goffa_got a server that won't boot says /sbin/mgetty failed
17:33:54goffa_init timed out waiting 5 mins
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17:35:15bluebrothergoffa_, it's responsible to give you access to the text console
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17:36:17goffa_ugh
17:36:17bluebrotherhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty (not much info though)
17:36:33rasher The program 'mgetty' allows you to use a modem for handling external
17:36:33rasher logins, receiving faxes and using the modem as a answering machine without
17:36:33rasher interfering with outgoing calls.
17:36:37goffa_lol.. any idea how to repair it?
17:36:51bluebrotheriirc mgetty is a variant that also allows connecting from serial ports
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17:37:28goffa_we did manage to get into recovery console
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17:37:39bluebrotherboot from a rescue cd and replace the package that contains getty
17:37:49bluebrotherat least that is what I would try
17:37:51goffa_ok
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17:45:27godzirraIs the toshiba gigabeat anygood? rockbox compatible?
17:45:41nurunetHi there! I would like to contribute an FM preset file but do not want to sign up at the wiki for that. Is there another way?
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17:48:25linuxstbgodzirra: Some people are currently working on porting Rockbox to the gigabeat, but it's not running on it yet. markun is the person to ask about it.
17:49:50goffa_godzirra: there's a #gigabeat channel if you want to monitor progress godzirra
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17:52:09nurunetYet another question: Is there a download page for equalizer presets (Rock, Pop, Classic...)? I can't find one, but my internet is just too damn slow.
17:53:04bluebrothernurunet, no. Most people don't consider sharing eq presets useful as they heavily depend on your phones
17:53:59nurunetOk. Just thought I could save some time. Lazy me.
17:54:04bluebrotherand are intended to equalize deficits in your hardware. But there was a forum discussion about presets, I guess some people posted there presets there
17:55:45godzirrathakns guys.
17:56:35godzirraAnyone know anything about it as a player?
17:56:37godzirrain general?
17:57:27rashergodzirra: try asking markun, he's one of the few people here with a gigabeat
17:57:33rasheror ask in #gigabeat
17:59:02godzirraI'm just trying to find a good player and I'm nto sure exactly what to get.
17:59:10godzirraI love my H-120 but its getting old and outdated and warn out.
17:59:24rasherDepends on what you want, unsurprisingly
17:59:41linuxstbI'm not sure if markun has actually used the gigabeat as a player yet though - he runs BSD, and afaik, the Gigabeat requires MTP to transfer files...
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18:00:07rasheraren't there free implementations of mtp?
18:00:08linuxstbi.e. it's not "drag and drop" with the original firmware.
18:00:17linuxstbrasher: Maybe, I've no idea...
18:00:41markunlinuxstb: I submitted a patch to gphoto to include support for the gigabeat :)
18:01:03linuxstbSo you've managed to transfer music to it now then?
18:01:03markunwhich is in the latest version
18:01:05markunyes
18:01:21godzirrarasher: I really want drag and drop via USB and mp3 playing. Thats really it.
18:01:25markunBut right now I don't have the OF on it anymore, just the rockbox test apps
18:01:28godzirraAn LCD screen is nice, but not horribly important.
18:01:52markungodzirra: the gigabeat is drag and drop with rockbox
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18:01:56linuxstbHow much disk space do you want?
18:02:09godzirra20gigs at least.
18:02:19godzirraMine now is 20 gigs and while i'm out of space on it, I dont really need more.
18:02:42rasherHow about the Iaudio X5?
18:03:14godzirraThats one of the ones I was looking at. It seems like a nice player, I just hate cradles, and I can't find one locally :/
18:03:37godzirraI hate buying electronics online because I like being able to return them easily if there's something wrong.
18:04:00linuxstbWhich just leaves you with the ipods then...
18:04:09godzirraYeah.... no.
18:04:12linuxstbNothing else supported by Rockbox is easily available.
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18:04:58Xerionno wonder compiling in cygwin is so slow, it's only using like 5% of cpu :p
18:05:00godzirrai'm still looking at x5 so far.
18:05:45godzirraHuh. I wonder what the difference is between the i10 and i120
18:05:56rasherIriver?
18:06:02rasherThe H10 is portalplayer based
18:06:04linuxstbYou mean the h10 and h120?
18:06:14godzirraerr. yes.
18:06:23rasherWhich means it's more or less similar to ipods in terms of rockbox support
18:06:26godzirraYeah, I have an h120 now and it does everything I want.
18:06:33rasherso why switch?
18:06:46godzirraBecause its getting old and its starting to have problems sometimes.
18:06:52godzirraI think it may be the hard drive going bad. I'm really not sure.
18:07:03linuxstbIf I could only keep one of my DAPs, it would be the H140...
18:07:33godzirraSo H10 and H120 are based on different hardware? (i.e. portalplayer for H10 and something else for H120?)
18:07:40linuxstbYou could always buy a new 30GB hard drive for your h120.
18:07:42hcsI had a creative jukebox once, took the hard drive out to put in a laptop, something like 15% of the sectors were bad
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18:07:52jhMikeS<rasher> jhMikeS: The recording quality screen (swcodec) is not voiced correctly
18:07:58godzirralinuxstb: what kind of hard drive does it take?
18:08:04Xerionaren't even 40 GB single platters out now that might fit?
18:08:16jhMikeSI'm aware of this. It says a bunch of numbers instead of units.
18:08:26Xerionnot that you can get them anywhere ;)
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18:08:43linuxstbgodzirra: I'm not sure of the exact details - but they're made by Toshiba and are 1.8" single-platter drives.
18:09:04*jhMikeS has to call the MRI lab...brb
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18:09:26linuxstbgodzirra: I expect the forums at misticriver will have lots of threads about replacing the hard drive.
18:09:50godzirraok, i'll c heck it out.
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18:11:26rasherjhMikeS: the same thing was happening with the "split filesize" menu before your addition in talk.h, now it says "kilobits per second"
18:11:47rasherjhMikeS: see FS #5773
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18:12:54godzirraI wish I could find a case for my H120 without having to pay for it from the UK :/
18:13:10SvjatPrivet! I would like to have write permission for the wiki for user SvyatoslavMirkov.
18:14:51rasherSvjat: are you a spammer?
18:15:21SvjatI would not say so. How do I find out?
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18:15:29rasherSvjat: You're added :-)
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18:16:16SvjatThanx.
18:16:54jhMikeSrasher: split filesize says kb/s?!?! ok...better take a closer look
18:17:17rasherjhMikeS: Yeah, and before you added UNIT_KBIT, it said all the crazy numbers
18:17:43rasherSo I believe both you and Mmmm did something wrong (or missed doing something) when adding to the enum
18:18:05rasherWhat it was, I have no idea, talk.[ch] seems like black magic to my untrained brain
18:18:22jhMikeSrasher: could be bit allocation for the talk ids hmmm
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18:22:49jhMikeSwe have a new codec for adx?
18:22:53rasherThat was.. special.
18:22:58rasherjhMikeS: Yup
18:24:08rashercome to think of it, my AAC test file won't play.. Simply says "no file", are there still m4a/metadata problems?
18:24:15jhMikeShmmm...got a some conflicts merging my recording changes with CVS...no biggie
18:24:42rasherAnyway, I'm off. Good luck with the voice issue
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18:24:57SvjatSo. I uploaded an FM preset for Krasnoyarsk/Siberia to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FmPresetsEurope and added an entry to the list (Russia). Actually it is Asia, but I guess it is easier to have all of Russia at one place. My modem connection is very slow, so I can not update the Russia/Europe/All preset collections. I hope, that I did not make any grave mistakes. Cheers.
18:26:20jhMikeSI feel like I'm falling behind here and must hurry up. this stuff's taking forever! ahh
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18:36:09mirakhi
18:39:33markunhi there mirak
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18:43:12excitatorydoes rockbox support wavpack?
18:43:17markunyes
18:43:37excitatoryok, cool
18:43:55Slasherifor decoding and encoding
18:43:59markunexcitatory: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs
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18:51:42jhMikeSThat wavpack encoder will get a better going over so the ui is more responsive when using it.
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18:59:29miraklibmpeg2 code is really a bunch of uncommented crap
18:59:51mirakstockpile/bunch
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19:00:48markun;)
19:00:56markunffmmeg is better?
19:01:14markunffmpeg even
19:01:32*jhMikeS wonders if people think he's in essence promising pictures of bigfoot )
19:02:30mirakmarkun: at least there are some comments
19:02:33jhMikeSmirak: not talking about you! :) Just venting my frustration here concerning my own update.
19:02:50mirakjhMikeS: update of what ?
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19:02:54jhMikeSrecording
19:03:02mirakwhat feature ?
19:04:17jhMikeSlazy file writing (as I call it), full sample rate control, no more "quality" selection but rather "format" selection. Separate config screens for each format accessed through "encoder settings", etc. etc.
19:04:59jhMikeSYou can set it so new files are started but not on disk...splits will be instant with no spinup
19:05:32mirakcould be nice to record mono source in mono. or maybe wab specification doesn't allow that. jhMikes interesting
19:05:33jhMikeSWhich is really good for internal mic users where the drive noise gets in
19:06:02jhMikeSmirak: nothing prevents that...you have a choice really.
19:06:16mirakfrom line in ?
19:06:30jhMikeSyou can select mono for anything at all
19:07:11mirakfound it
19:07:24jhMikeSthe codec downmixes the samples to mono since the mcf always gives stereo anyway
19:08:53mirakis the recording optimal in level just at the limit of reaching clipping or is it better a bit above ?
19:09:25jhMikeSmirak: You should want it as loud as possible without clipping it or just let it clip if you don't care :)
19:09:47mirakclipping is horrible
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19:10:37jhMikeShard limiting and compression would be nice to have esp for mic.
19:11:12jhMikeSguess those are similar enough
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19:22:20Xerionwtf my radio is endlessly seeking :p
19:23:03Xerionhmm either it managed to actually find some signal here or i did the right keycombo to stop it :p
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19:36:06mirakhum, is there some special lib for assert in normal C code ?
19:36:13miraksome gcc option maybe ?
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19:36:28ttl-greetings
19:37:51ttl-i have a question, i have a Iriver H320 and want to install rockbox but how do i patch the 1.30EU firmware i have downloaded under linux ?
19:40:45bluebrotherttl-, you can run fwpatcher using wine
19:41:35ttl-i thought so but wanted to ask here first
19:41:42ttl-thanks
19:45:19vertic23what's the best "time" to charge the battery?
19:46:02vertic23is it best to wait until the player won't start anymore? or is it ok if the battery is low.. but not really empty
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19:50:13tucozvertic23: without me being a battery expert, but i think li-pol batteries does not like being drained completly
19:50:26vertic23ok
19:51:14tucozI think that if you charge it in general when it's 50% or so will keep it good
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19:56:06mirak# include <assert.h> is declared in common.h and #include "common.h" is in the c file where there is errors
19:56:12mirakbut I still have errors on asserts
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20:24:51KlrSpzDo you guys have any good threads/wikis to read? I'll be more than happy to read up and work on it, but right now it's been so long since i have messed with X i don't even know where to start −− i want to eventually mess with the compiz/aiglx stuff
20:26:24KohlrabiRibsy?
20:27:53KlrSpzshit
20:27:55KlrSpzwrong room
20:33:45nlsYay, ubuntu cds :) so does sim and target compiles work on 64 bit now?
20:40:27*amiconn even runs a build server on amd64 :)
20:40:44amiconnI had no luck at all with ubuntu back then
20:40:51amiconn...so I am running debian
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20:43:53nlsI'll go 64 then :)
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20:46:23amiconnThere are 2 problems on amd64. (1) m68k-elf-gcc either requires patching (for the recommended gcc 3.4.6 anyway), or the latest cvs gcc
20:47:07amiconn(2) libmad compiles fine for the sims, but crashes. So you cannot play mp1/mp2/mp3 in the sim. All other codecs work
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20:53:36nlsshould be fine then. Are there any major issues with latest cvs gcc
20:54:08mirakamiconn: using amd64 is really searching problems
20:54:22mirakat least have some happens :p
20:54:25amiganI was just going to ask about m68k-elf gcc on amd64.
20:55:00amiganI just build svn last night and it indeed works on amd64, but rockbox doesn't compile without hacking the makefile, inducing changes that I think won't work anyway (right now my binutils 2.17 is having trouble assembling the rockbox crt0.S)
20:55:18mirakI am not even able to use ffmpeg apiexemple
20:55:23amiconnmirak: Apart from the mentioned ones (and the lack of an official openoffice package) I don't have any problems...
20:55:27amiganSo I'm building a 32bit version of gcc 3.4.6 and friends on an i386 machine I have and copying it over (running FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE)
20:55:51mirakamiconn: are there 32 bits libs on 64 bits ?
20:55:58amiconnamigan: You can build m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.6 on amd64, with a patch
20:56:06mirakthat was the main issue backthen
20:56:11amiganamiconn, ah. I searched a bit and didn't find such a patch, besides what's in svn
20:56:39amiconnmirak: You can install some 32bit libs (or even a 32bit chroot environment), but I don't see the necessity
20:56:55amiconnI have a 64bit CPU, so I want to run a pure 64bit distro
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20:57:05amiganFor the record, does anyone else have problems building rockbox with HEAD gcc?
20:57:09amigan(I'm curious)
20:57:23amiconnamigan: Perhaps ask preglow when he's around
20:57:28amiconnAfaik he tried
20:57:30amiganAh
20:58:12amiganSee, if I remove the -Wa,-m5249 it builds but I think this is bad.
20:58:24amigan(plus it barfs on aforementioned crt assembler source anyway)
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21:02:47amiganamiconn, would you happen to know where that patch is to allow m68k to build on amd64?
21:03:22excitatoryheh, both apple products :D :: http://unchristened.frogorbits.com/1-and-4096-MB.jpeg
21:04:46mirak#ifdef HAVE_AV_CONFIG_H there is this define. what must I do to have configuration elements ?
21:05:02mirakshould I run a configure and set manually the settings ?
21:06:28amiconnamigan: Umm, I thought it would be attached to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler ... but it isn't
21:06:41amiganYeah
21:06:42amiconnI should still have it laying around...
21:07:31amiconnAh, yes
21:07:37amiconnI'll attach it...
21:07:42amiganOk, thanks
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21:13:55linuxstbAnyone know Mikachu's real name?
21:14:29amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks
21:14:50linuxstb:)
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21:26:58*linuxstb curses CVS and apologies for the upcoming red builds - the fix has already been committed...
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21:33:44webguest02Hello!
21:33:58webguest02Anyone knows Rockbox on an Apple iPod mini 1G?
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21:50:14woodensoulHey guys, I'm modifying a WPS to my liking and wanted to know of there is a tag for album or track ReplayGain info.
21:53:42*linuxstb_ investigates the red builds...
21:56:26woodensoulIf there is, there doesn't appear to be anything in the documentation about it.
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21:58:33nlswoodensoul, You are right it seems to be missing from documentation but is indeed there the tag is called rg and it seems to return a number based on the replaygain setting and not if the file has the tag...
21:59:36woodensoulI wanted the album gain specifically.
21:59:51nlsor if that's what you wanted great! :) looking at the code I *think* itt will be 1 for disabled and 2 and 3 for track and album (not sure of the order)
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21:59:55woodensoulI saw on the mistic river site that on a non-official build &ra is for album gain.
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22:00:36woodensoulI meant %ra
22:01:22nlsI'm now pretty sure it's 1=off 2=track 3=album 4=track shuffle
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22:02:19woodensoulSo there is no way to display track gain and album gain simultaneously on a WPS?
22:02:27nlsReplay gain %?rg<off|track|album|shuffle>
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22:03:06nlswoodensoul, it displays the *setting* not the value.
22:03:07woodensoulI'm not interested is displaying the setting. I wanted to display the actual value of the album or track gain in dB.
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22:03:41woodensoulSo displaying the value is impossible?
22:03:45nlsthere's no such tag in cvs afaik
22:03:47miraklinuxstb: hum i managed to build the mpeg2 decodeur exemple in apiexemple.c, so know the hardest will be to integrate to rockbox
22:03:51woodensoul*in the official build*
22:04:20mirakso I think it's in fact not that hard at least to extract a codec. for now ...
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22:09:42linuxstb_mirak: How much of ffmpeg did you need to keep?
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22:12:26mirakyou can choose which codec to keep in config.h, so I kept most of libavutil and some other direct dependencies relative to includes in libavcodec.
22:12:37mirakdoes gcc build the unused fonctions ?
22:13:23linuxstb_Yes - if they are in the same .c file.
22:13:41linuxstb_The linker won't include any completely unused .o files.
22:13:57Moosis there any X5 user here ?
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22:15:02woodensoulWould anyone else be interested to have replaygain track and album values be available for WPS display?
22:15:04linuxstb_woodensoul: You should submit a feature request for it (unless there is already one, or a patch to implement it...)
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22:16:47Moosthere was patch for it IIRC
22:18:43woodensoulwhy wouldn't it be in CVS then?
22:18:48miraklinuxstb: hum I don't have an executable file at the end
22:19:14linuxstb_Moos: Can you find the patch?
22:19:54Moosyou didn't find it?
22:20:46mirakI have a .o file for the file I want as binary
22:20:47linuxstb_woodensoul: There are many reasons patches are not in CVS - e.g. they are out of date, or written in the wrong way, or don't compile on all targets, or simply that no-one with CVS access has looked at it.
22:20:49woodensoulI submitted a feature request.
22:21:21linuxstb_Moos: A search for replaygain on flyspray didn't find it.
22:21:30Moosmaybe it was commited?
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22:21:40MoosI'm searching
22:22:04MoosI'm 100% sure there was one patch for it
22:22:40oboA commit on the 2nd of August added the Replaygain settings...
22:23:14obo"Bits and bobs from patches 2740, 2684 and 2680"
22:23:16Mooswe are speaking just about his WPS representation
22:23:30oboyes
22:23:53miraklinuxstb_: I think it's not finished
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22:24:04Moosobo: have you got CVS log ?
22:24:10woodensoulI tried the %ra for album gain, and it didn't work so we know it's not that.
22:24:31oboMoos: "WPS tags: Crossfade %?xf<off|shuffle|skip|always>, Replay gain %?rg<off|track|album|shuffle>, Crossfeed %xd<off|on>. Bits and bobs from patches 2740, 2684 and 2680 by Myself, Stephan Wezel and Robert Kukla."
22:24:39linuxstb_Seems there is a patch for the replaygain track/album gain values here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2740 - that task also had another patch, which was committed and the task incorrectly closed...
22:25:10mirakI don't know how to make the linking happen
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22:25:16woodensoulCould someone commit the rest of the task?
22:26:04Moosoh ok :/
22:26:14linuxstb_mirak: You need a main() function in one of your object files.
22:26:30mirakthere is one
22:26:48bluebrotherlinuxstb_, you noticed there are still red builds?
22:27:47mirakit's ok, I just put the name without .o
22:28:17woodensoulThanks for the help linuxstb_. I'll be back in a few...
22:29:38linuxstb_bluebrother: Thanks for the heads-up. Strangely it compiles for me locally...
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22:34:38linuxstb_Can someone convince me I'm not mad and try to compile the ipod color sim from current CVS?
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22:35:20linuxstb_It compiles fine for me, but the build table gave red...
22:36:09*bluebrother starts building
22:37:57oboas long as I've built the right target (20), it builds fine
22:39:25linuxstbThanks. Looks like a quirk in the build system then...
22:39:59Moosthat was the same for the X5 build yesterday night
22:40:02mirakapiexample.c:(.text+0xef): undefined reference to `avcodec_find_decoder' I don't get why the api can't be reached by the main file
22:40:09bluebrotherstrange. Builds fine for me too.
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22:40:39bluebrothermaybe it's related to the compiler version? I'm on 4.1.1
22:40:49linuxstbOdd that it was two different build servers that gave red.
22:41:29linuxstbMy native gcc is 4.0.4 - the build servers were using 4.1.2 and 3.4.4
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22:41:55obolinuxstb: I've just checked on my build server - the app/plugins/rockboy/sys_rockbox.c file DOESN'T have the latest update
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22:43:47linuxstbobo: I've just checked mine - I don't either.
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22:46:43vertic23does anybody know how to cheat in DOOM I+II?
22:48:30Xerionuse google ffs :p
22:49:18amiconnmirak: The X5 problem last night was a different thing.
22:49:35miraklinuxstb: if this works it might be easy to implement other video codecs.
22:49:36amiconnm68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 has a bug that's fixed in 3.4.5 and higher
22:49:49mirakamiconn: what problem ?
22:50:08*jhMikeS wishes people wouldn't invest time tweaking the recording statusbar icons atm...the way it's done is gonna change. :)
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22:50:54linuxstbmirak: I'm not convinced ffmpeg will work well in Rockbox - too big and too reliant on malloc.
22:52:35amiconnmirak: The build error you were referring to
22:52:51miraklinuxstb: should I abandon ?
22:52:52Moosthat was me ami
22:52:53mirak:D
22:52:56Moossorry
22:53:00amiconnOh, sorry
22:53:39Mooswhat was the problem yesterday?
22:53:52amiconn[22:49:36] <amiconn> m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 has a bug that's fixed in 3.4.5 and higher
22:54:02Moosoh ok
22:54:06amiconnOne build server still had m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 installed
22:54:14linuxstbmirak: No :) I'm not saying don't try, just that I don't think you should expect miracles.
22:54:34Moosamiconn: do you know the server of who?
22:55:01amiconnThe machine which also runs the website. It's fixed now
22:55:09Moosok
22:55:45Mooslot of builds server problems those days or what?
22:55:48mirakhum ok, I must remove the defines for the codecs and not just set them to 0
22:55:48vertic23Xerion: yea - I know all those old cheatcodes - like IDDQD ...and so on - but.. hmm I don't have a keyboard :D
22:56:09obolinuxstb: looks like my build server has that commit now
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22:58:31jhMikeSWhat's these funny errors in tns.c for the x5? More probs from old compilers?
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22:59:22woodensoulHave you guys noticed the bug that only plays the first track from a playlist, then playback stops after the first track is finished?
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23:00:10Mooswhich build do you using?
23:00:35woodensoulCVS from yesterday I think
23:01:13Moosupgrade and retry then
23:01:15linuxstb_jhMikeS: Yes - you need 3.4.5 or later.
23:01:19amiconnjhMikeS: Were you sleeping? ;)
23:01:26amiconn[22:53:52] <amiconn> [22:49:36] <amiconn> m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 has a bug that's fixed in 3.4.5 and higher
23:01:32amiconn[22:54:06] <amiconn> One build server still had m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 installed
23:01:42jhMikeSlinuxstb_: it's on the build server not for me. I have 3.4.6
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23:02:07jhMikeSamiconn: sometimes...I sleep whilst awake...it happens! :)
23:02:21obo127.0.0.1 is now saying it's using 3.4.1?
23:03:33Bagderit has done that for a long time iirc
23:04:57jhMikeSmake them upgrade or cut them out of the loop!
23:05:19amiconnAm I the only one for whom www.rockbox.org is dead slow?
23:06:02jhMikeSIt's ok here
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23:06:36amiconnBagder: Uh? Linus said he upgraded m68k-elf-gcc...
23:07:00Bagderon that server?
23:07:02*jhMikeS notices that the build server is a far faster way to test if something compiles for every build than doing it yourself :P
23:07:22miraklinuxstb: a part of the interface can be removed
23:07:34mirakif not all. there a weird depencies to PCM codecs
23:09:41amiconnHmm, seems I remembered _slighly_ wrong
23:09:55amiconnBagder: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060925.txt starting 15:04
23:10:37Bagderaha
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23:12:06jhMikeSis that build server abuse? ^^
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23:12:37LinusNBagder: your rockboxdev.sh script has a slight flaw
23:12:43Bagdernoooo
23:12:45Bagder:-)
23:13:06LinusNit uses binutils 2.16.1 with gcc 3.4.6
23:13:31LinusNand that combination fails when building gcc
23:13:38amiconnWhat's the problem with that?
23:13:38LinusNfor m68k
23:13:46Bagderit didn't fail for me afaicr
23:13:47amiconnI am using the exact same combination...
23:13:50oboworked for me last night
23:13:56LinusNhow strange
23:14:04amiconn(but manually, without rockboxdev.sh)
23:14:18LinusNhmm, i must have done something really silly then
23:14:20obothe end path was different from the last time I had run it
23:14:41amiconnjhMikeS: H300 Sim still red...
23:14:53jhMikeSamiconn: fixing now :)
23:15:30oboBagder: could you make the rockboxdev.sh script die if it can't create the install folder, rather than printing a warning?
23:16:04Bagderyeah, I'll do that
23:16:23obothanks
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23:17:28Bagderdone
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23:19:08amiconnDo we have a vanishing build server problem?
23:20:07LinusNamiconn: huh?
23:21:27amiconnOnly 9 active build servers in the last round...
23:21:35LinusNah
23:21:48LinusNwell, my server is running windows at the moment
23:22:53LinusNgtg
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23:39:32stanelieHello. I would like to have wiki write access to make a small update to the cygwin page...
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23:41:58scorchestanelie: what is your wiki name?
23:42:03obostanelie: done
23:42:15scorchenvm..
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23:44:45stanelieThanks!
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23:49:49XavierGrstrnage topic!
23:49:56XavierGrstrange too
23:50:28Genre9mp3XavierGr: Almost half a month old though.. :P
23:50:31XavierGrthe sad part is that I realize it now
23:50:35XavierGrexactly
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