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#rockbox log for 2006-09-28

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00:00:33mirakyes, but I don't see how sorting libavcodec wich contains around 200 files can do some bad
00:00:35tucozimagine ripping out something from rockbox for use elsewhere. all the #ifdefs etc
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00:01:27miraktucoz: that's a bit different
00:01:53tucozit is
00:01:56mirakin rockbox there is a hierarchy. inside libavocec folder it's anarcy
00:02:02tucozhaha
00:02:03tucozok
00:02:25*petur hums the sex pistols tune
00:02:26mirakanyway it's different just by the fact the codecs are sorted in folders
00:02:42markunmirak: did you tell them you could do it for them and send them a patch?
00:03:08mirakmarkun: actually I wich I could ...
00:04:16tucozwonder if rockbox could apply for SoC next year
00:04:18soultwisterthanks guys got it to work
00:04:41soultwisterbut doesnt fill the whole screen its small
00:04:49mirakmarkun: anyway it was on the irc channel. maybe on the mailing list the question would have better answers.
00:05:10tucozgood night
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00:05:18markunsoultwister: do you know how to program in C?
00:05:30soultwistersorry i dont
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00:05:38mirakmarkun: do you think you could ask them ? :)
00:06:29markunmirak: maybe some other time
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00:07:43darkskiez_argh, anyone have an 80Gb windows partion map
00:07:52miraklol
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00:08:19mirakdarkskiez_: with same partitionning ?
00:08:41darkskiez_it arrived today...NEEED rockbox!
00:08:57darkskiez_only have an maccle apintosh and a linux box tho
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00:09:29markundarkskiez_: 80gb 1.8" drive??
00:09:46linuxstb_darkskiez_: Rockbox doesn't work on the 80gb 5g.
00:09:57darkskiez_well, 76Gb after bit tax
00:10:02darkskiez_NOOOooooooooooooooooo
00:10:10*darkskiez_ posts it back to apple
00:10:23markunlinuxstb_: 'not yet' I guess?
00:10:52linuxstb_Yes, not yet. It doesn't seem to be significantly different to the earlier 5gs.
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00:12:17linuxstb_The first problem to fix (and hopefully the only one) is that the new ipods use a 2048 byte logical sector size. ipod_fw.c needs adapting, as well as Rockbox's FAT driver.
00:13:32darkskiez_is there any plan to add an HFS driver ?
00:13:59linuxstb_No. Lots of people have requested it, but no-one has volunteered to work on it.
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00:14:20linuxstb_The general view is that FAT32 is good enough - and works everywhere.
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00:15:05*darkskiez_ is without a net connection and things to do next week..
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00:18:14amiconnpixelma: ping...
00:18:19engboxhey im new to rockbox (1 week) and want to develop a plugin - got the cygwin environment set up. How to compile a plugin -> ***.rock??
00:19:20engboxanyone?
00:19:34linuxstb_Put the .c file in apps/plugins/, add the filename to apps/plugins/SOURCES and then build Rockbox.
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00:21:29engboxthanks linuxstb - will try
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03:45:50DrMoreaugrrrr
03:46:14DrMoreauIf i see "Connect to your computer. Use iTunes to restore." one more time..........
03:47:19DrMoreauanyone have a rb modded boot bin for a g5 pod they can DCC me?
03:49:18DrMoreauI want to see if I insert A00 extra bytes between the stop msg and the !ATAsoso if it will try to boot.
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03:49:41DrMoreaufor the 5.5g port
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03:52:55lamedhey guys, i'm out of players for now, can't seem to get my hands on a cheap h320-h340, so I'm thinking about an ipod :/ , I can get those pretty cheaply. anyone has any info about whether RB will support line in / mic recording on ipods?
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04:41:22DrMoreauDave, you awake?
04:41:42webguest13Hi, this isn't rockbox related, but does anyone know if there is a forum on sourceforge.net where you can ask if there is a program for such and such a task, or request a program to be made?
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04:41:52webguest13or aforum anywhere.
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08:02:00soultwisterwhat program can i use to make playlist for rockbox
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08:04:12soultwisterwhat program can i use to make playlist for rockbox
08:04:36soultwisterany know of anything
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08:07:46soultwister>what program can i use to make playlist for rockbox
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08:21:40theli_uamorning everyone :)
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08:37:12Rudy4PezSo is the iPod scrollwheel acceleration patch still not compatible with CVS?
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08:40:54Rudy4PezYo linuxstb, you have an iPod, right?
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08:41:46linuxstb_Possibly...
08:42:36Rudy4Pezlol
08:42:58Rudy4PezDo you know if the scrollwheel accel. patch is still incompatible with CVS?
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08:43:25linuxstb_I haven't looked at it. Do you use it?
08:44:54Rudy4PezThe patch or CVS builds?
08:45:02linuxstb_The patch.
08:45:24Rudy4PezYeah, until recently it's been in the senab builds, but currently, no I don't.
08:46:00Rudy4PezBut I use one gigantic playlist of a ton of my music, so I'm thinking of reverting back to a build when the patch worked, because it made my life a LOT easier... Hehe.
08:46:33linuxstb_The author of the patch has disappeared, so someone needs to update the patch...
08:46:43Rudy4PezAh, lamesauce.
08:47:18linuxstb_But did it work well (when it worked)?
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08:49:49Rudy4PezIt was a bit jumpy, but totally worth it when one needs to get from the beginning to the middle of a playlist containing 1500 songs.
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09:04:37MrShleeHey, running the H3xx builds. trying to play a unknown codec file... will obviously not play
09:04:49MrShleebut it seems to stop valid files from playing after that..
09:04:56MrShleelike get stuck changing codec
09:04:59MrShleeaware of this issue?
09:07:47linuxstb_What do you mean by "a unknown codec file" ?
09:08:13MrShleeI'll find out what the exact file is.
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09:09:37MrShleewb..
09:10:33MrShleeload rocbox.. plays mp3 perfectly/play the black keys.wma (obviously not supported)/no audio.. no ID3 info
09:10:36MrShleeas expected..
09:10:57MrShleebut after attempting to play the wma, Im unable to play any standard mp3/oggs
09:11:00MrShleeuntil reboot
09:11:12linuxstb_Ah, OK.
09:13:04MrShleeIs this an expected issue.. or just don't play wma files :)
09:13:20linuxstb_wma is a special case - it's included in the list of valid audio types so people can use Rockbox to create playlists for use with the iriver firmware.
09:13:46pondlifeStill a bug though
09:13:55linuxstb_Yes.
09:14:03pondlifeI can look into it if someone can provide me a .wma file
09:14:21linuxstb_I don't think you need a wma file - just rename any file to have a .wma extension.
09:14:25pondlifeOK
09:14:55MrShleeQuick question for a newbie: any way to get Ipod style song/artist/album/year layout?
09:15:07MrShleeI like the general filesystem nav most the time.
09:15:10linuxstb_One word - tagcache
09:15:22MrShleeThanks
09:15:27*MrShlee reads manual
09:15:37linuxstb_There's also a wiki page about it.
09:16:00*pondlife makes the daily call....
09:16:04pondlifelostlogic: around?
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09:16:25linuxstb_Wrong time of day I think - it's about 2am for him I think.
09:16:36pondlifeAh, that'll be why I always fail.
09:16:50pondlifeI wish people would close their IRC clients when not around...
09:17:27linuxstb_Or just type /away
09:17:35pondlifeYep
09:17:51scorcheit is nice to know when people talk about you when you are away though =)
09:18:00pondlifeHa ha, maybe....
09:18:05linuxstb_The logs are for that...
09:18:07pondlifeDepends on the adjectives
09:18:22scorcheor expletives ;)
09:18:34pondlifeThose are adjectives
09:19:04pondlifeWell, in the way I would use them
09:19:06scorchecan be nouns or verbs too
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09:19:35*scorche boggles at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.msg52290#msg52290
09:19:40pondlifeYes, but normally suffixed with -ing in this case, and used to qualify a (proper) noun
09:19:58pondlifeas in that f...-ing pondlife has committed another playback mod
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09:26:59pondlifeDoes anyone know anything about this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5332 ?
09:27:23pondlifeThere have been several claims that iPods (mainly 4G) don't boot properly now, but used to.
09:28:01pondlifeI see it's marked as due in 3.1, but is that just because iPod isn't yet supported officially, or because someone (petur?) knows what the problem is?
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09:28:55linuxstb_Back around the time of the 3.0 feature freeze, all ipod-specific bugs were marked as being due in 3.1 - the first official release for ipods.
09:29:54linuxstb_But I'm sure that problem has disappeared by now. The big issue with all PP5020 ipods (mini 1st gen, 4g greyscale and Color/Photo) is apparently random freezes and data aborts.
09:30:41linuxstb_I mean it definitely freezes and gives data aborts, but apparently randomly. At least, I haven't worked out what's causing it.
09:31:38pondlifeJust wondered if this report should be closed. The Critical status annoys me ;-)
09:31:51MrShleepondlife, Need a "real" wma file?
09:31:58pondlifeNope, I don't think so.
09:32:02linuxstb_pondlife: Yes, I would close it as out of date.
09:32:29pondlifeWon't be looking for a while, am busy trying to work out why my settings get lost every time I start up the sim.
09:34:06MrShleeIs there a windows side playlist/tagcache editor? or just use standard winamp pls
09:34:39pondlifeUse Rockbox? The sim for your device works under Windows...
09:35:02MrShleeice?
09:35:15linuxstb_You can use any app with creates standard .m3u playlists.
09:35:24MrShleeI'm just getting my head around it.. excellento
09:35:24MrShleethanks
09:35:57linuxstb_Even a text editor will work - .m3u files are simply a text file containing a list of filenames.
09:40:16markunlinuxstb_: what do you think about generating m3u8 files in rockbox and using the default codepage for m3u files?
09:42:52linuxstb_You mean that all playlists would be saved as .m3u8 instead of .m3u?
09:42:59markunyes
09:43:53markunbecause other programs don't expect m3u files to be UTF-8 encoded and we nog support the m3u8 extension for UTF-8 encoded playlists anyway.
09:44:20markunOf course people will need to rename their existing playlists
09:44:51*MrShlee starts double checking all the ID3 tags on his collection
09:45:11linuxstb_I rarely save my own playlists, and have purely ASCII filenames, so I'm probably not the best person to ask..
09:45:45linuxstb_Are .m3u8 playlists widely supported?
09:48:13markunWinamp 5.3 * New: M3U8 (Unicode) playlist support
09:48:29markunit's also supported by foobar2000
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09:49:06markunlinuxstb_: those are the major players, don't you think? (on the windows platform at least)
09:49:17markunQuintessential Player also has support for it
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09:53:19linuxstbMaybe the playlist format should be an option.... For someone like me (with ASCII-only filenames), .m3u8 is just introducing extra incompatibility for no gain.
09:54:16markunhmm..
09:54:33linuxstbBut I don't feel strongly about it.
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10:02:34*petur has lots of files with funny names (icelandic bands)
10:02:56peturaudioscrobbler can't handle them :)
10:05:15MrShleeStupid question.. How do I access the tag cache.. NAV seems to take me to the filesystem..
10:09:17markunMrShlee: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache#Initialize_Now
10:10:00MrShleeDone and done..
10:10:07MrShleeload to ram/auto update
10:10:29markundid you read 'Once the database has been built and committed, you can browse your music using this database by changing the General Settings -> File view -> Show files option to "ID3 database".'
10:11:03MrShleeSorry
10:11:07MrShleeExcellento :D
10:11:17MrShleeThat really should be abled TagCache
10:11:58markunYes. Fix the wiki if you want
10:12:44peturwasn't Slasheri (or somebody else) going to make a menu entry or virtual directory to be able to browse tagcache when view is set to files?
10:12:45MrShleeThanks anyway markun :)
10:13:39MrShleeHaving a "ID3 Database" symlink on the root of the filesystem maybe
10:13:46markunpetur: I'm all for a bootmenu.
10:14:17markunbut I don't like virtual dirs much
10:14:39peturlike: browse files, browse tags, wps, record, FM, settings ?
10:15:51linuxstbYes, with a configurable startup screen.
10:16:40markunexactly
10:17:03linuxstbI don't think I like the idea of a virtual directory either - in my mind, the file browser and database browser are two separate things.
10:18:53linuxstbBut I don't think anyone is actually working on implementing the root menu idea though.
10:19:33MrShleeif you don't consider it a "virtual directory".. double tapping NAV for TagCache/single for file system/standard playlist
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10:48:55aliaskHrm, I'm having some trouble with this iPod. The LCD is cracked, so I have no visual feedback, except the backlight. At the moment I *think* I'm in rockbox, and the backlight isn't turning off. Would that be right?
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10:53:21amiconnaliask: I guess not. The default backlight timeout in rockbox is 4 seconds
10:54:09aliaskThat, and it wasn't voicing anything. The menu button accesses the main menu right? (And Voice menu's is on by default?)
10:55:10aliaskMaybe this thing just won't boot because the battery is so close to dead. I'll leave it charging for an hour or something.
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12:05:34webguest69is it possiblt to get a build older than the oldest "OLD" build in dailies
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12:06:36webguest69anyone/
12:06:54markunwebguest69: you can build one yourself
12:07:33markunfor which date do you need a build?
12:07:57webguest69after the feature freeze
12:08:18markunWhat are you trying to do?
12:08:42webguest69getting rid of bugs, :-)
12:08:59markunok :)
12:09:03webguest69H140 battery usage is stuffed, there is an issue there
12:09:10webguest69recently
12:09:23markunDid you even build rockbox from cvs?
12:09:27markunever
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12:09:56webguest69no i haven't done that
12:10:32markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile
12:10:53markunwith cvs you can also download the source of a specific date with -D
12:11:11webguest69thanks markun, ireally appreciate your help, but me and compile whatever stuff just dont mix
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12:11:40webguest69to many variables, and inside knowledge is required
12:12:08markunWhat is the bug btw?
12:13:02webguest69I get one hours playback off the first battery status bar, where I used to get 4-5, I thought the batt was faulty, replaced, same thing, H140
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12:14:09markunwebguest69: I have a H120 and get maybe 16-20 hours with a recent build (and 2200mAh battery)
12:14:39webguest69well, I dont know, what I see is that my first bar drops very quickly
12:15:07markunso the bug is only the first bar?
12:15:41markunbut your player does run for many hours more?
12:16:04webguest69nope it uses power quickly, according to the battery indicator anyway, the bars drop very quickly
12:17:00markunno idea what it could be, but I don't think it's a 'feature' which was introduces after the feature freeze because you are the first to have this problem
12:17:04webguest69I need to do more accurate trouble shooting, but it was never like this, maybe its a hardware failure, dont know, just that its strange behaviour
12:17:14markunyes, very strange
12:17:21markunEven with a new battery..
12:17:23MrShleeTried the batt test plugin?
12:17:24amiconn"first bar"?
12:17:34amiconnThe battery symbol works pixel-wise
12:18:24webguest69uhuh, I have five icons for the wps battery display, full four bars
12:19:46webguest69ah well, I'll do more trouble shooting, thanks
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13:09:24odb|fidel_hello
13:09:38odb|fidel_i have a strange problem with my rockbox @ ipod g5 video
13:09:55odb|fidel_since today i can see @ my ipod all folder structures, but no files
13:10:10Paul_The_NerdWhat file view mode are you in?
13:10:21odb|fidel_if i connect the ipod via usb to a pc or mac i can use all files like supposed
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13:10:38odb|fidel_gimme a sec, ill check that again
13:11:47odb|fidel_its inside File view, right ?
13:12:09odb|fidel_Paul_The_Nerd:
13:12:35Paul_The_Nerdodb|fidel_: That's one way.
13:12:59odb|fidel_ok, solved hehe
13:13:06odb|fidel_somehow it has changed to playlists
13:13:21odb|fidel_as i dont work with lists, there was simply nothing :P
13:13:24odb|fidel_thx Paul_The_Nerd
13:13:26Paul_The_NerdIf you hold Menu instead of tapping it, you get the Quick Menu instead of the main menu. From there it's very easy to accidentally change it.
13:13:40odb|fidel_k
13:13:47odb|fidel_another question, as im already inhere
13:14:04odb|fidel_how to boot default "mac os" insteed of rockbox ?
13:14:10odb|fidel_i forgot that combo
13:14:47Paul_The_NerdI suggest making use of the manual a little more then. It would have solved your earlier problem as well as this one, and it's become slightly apparent you don't make use of it.
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13:15:32odb|fidel_thx again.
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13:26:31hcsThank you for your prompt payment of my security bill. During your vacation, I took the liberty of redesigning your house by adding turrets in the corners, a moat and a drawbridge. I also painted it striped pink and orange. Your garden now sports a beautiful 35m marble fountain representing 'Mammals Overtaking Dinosaurs' (an allegory). I left your mail on the little table by the door. Please find my bill for $7 897 463 attached.
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13:28:23hcshello
13:28:39hcsI am sorry, I wrote that into the wrong channel
13:29:16peturlol
13:29:36hcsmaybe someone here will find it funny anyway...
13:30:05markun:)
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13:58:59hcs#usf, where people link I am funny
13:59:05hcs*think, grumble
13:59:12linuxstb_:)
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14:10:13hcsthe person next to me is using an iPod with the clickwheel clicking enabled and it sounded like a Geiger counter...
14:11:04scorchehcs: goldmine!...start the production of this new accessory immmediately!
14:11:45hcsit'd be funny to have random clicking coming from your pocket and see how people would react
14:12:02hcsmaybe increasing in frequency as you approach
14:12:49*scorche pulls out his imaginary ipod and starts to scan hcs
14:13:00bipaklol
14:13:14*hcs is somewhat radioactive...
14:13:46scorchehcs: im sorry sir, but you have been infected...please follow me to the Umbrella Corp labs to be treated
14:14:17hcsscorche: oh boy, I would've volunteered
14:14:43*scorche exits stage-left which just so happens to be the way to the shower
14:15:19*petur notices the smell in the channel is going away
14:16:07scorchepetur: lies!...i recently woke up from my 2-hour sleep and am getting ready for a contract job i am headed to
14:19:52preglowand that means you cannot possibly be smelly?
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14:31:54obopetur: you have utf issues with scrobbler? Is that on a pc or rb?
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14:36:24peturobo: on pc
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14:40:04scorchepreglow: exactly
14:40:23peturobo: It's probably the slimscrobbler plugin that causes it as the bands it sends through incorrectly do exist with the correct name
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14:47:41obopetur: ah, okay. It's meant to send it as UTF-8.. was just checking it wasn't a fault in my patch :)
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14:49:11peturobo: did you have any reactions from devs on your patch? Is it working ok?
14:50:27obopetur: It's been working okay for a few months without any changes - Linus looked at it awhile ago, but I think there was some question about something specific to last.fm vs a generic log.
14:52:17peturobo: why is it coupled to SWCODEC?
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14:56:20linuxstb_obo: Does it log the tags or the filename?
14:56:29peturobo: why not looking at CONFIG_RTC?
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14:57:36obopetur: it should be generic to both SW and HWCODEC - but AFAIK it's untested on HW
14:57:59obolinuxstb: it logs tag, and uses mktime()
14:58:08peturbut it needs RTC, right?
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14:59:15obopetur: officially, yes. If there isn't a RTC, it writes in zero for the timestamp. Someone else wrote a perl script for submissions - that will generate timestamps by counting backwards, using the track length
14:59:43peturso it could be applied for all targets
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15:00:18obopetur: yes
15:00:40peturand how's the submitting on PC side handled?
15:01:05*petur admits using windows ;)
15:03:54obopetur: either by using a perl script, or someone wrote a web service to do the same (on a .ru domain)
15:04:47peturaha
15:05:23oboI think the perl script could be included as well - I'd just need to get the author to GPL it
15:11:12theli_uasomeone experienced crash of function when it returns? i mean all is fine only before "return" is called
15:11:48linuxstb_theli_ua: That may mean the stack is corrupted.
15:11:57theli_uawhy can it?
15:12:02oboneed to run to see a man about a router :-/
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15:12:33linuxstb_theli_ua: Your function is doing things it shouldn't...
15:12:45theli_ualike what?
15:12:51linuxstb_corrupting the stack :)
15:13:04linuxstb_i.e. writing to memory it shouldn't be writing to.
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15:13:07theli_uawriting something where it shouldn't write?
15:13:12theli_ua:)
15:13:25linuxstb_Is this on the sim or target?
15:13:48theli_uasim
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15:25:33webguest30hi
15:25:54tucozhello
15:26:11webguest30I'm trying to figure out whether I have a 3g of 4g ipod
15:26:50webguest30on the device chart it says that only the 3g have 20 gigabyte disks, is this true?
15:26:58tucozyou can take a look at the images on this page http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
15:27:17webguest30the images look pretty much the same to me
15:27:18tucozthe 3g has a row of buttons right underneath the lcd
15:27:28tucozwhich the 4g doesn't have
15:27:39tucozthe 4g only has a wheel
15:28:41webguest30it says on the chart that they both have 5+wheel buttons, how does that work if the 3g has 3 buttons more?
15:29:24tucozI don't know. but this is a 3g http://ipodlinux.org/Image:Ipod3g-front.jpg
15:29:32webguest30also, as I said, it says that only the 3g has 20g disk, but mine has no buttans and a 20 disk
15:30:11webguest30well, I guess that page should be updated some...
15:30:41tucozI think you have a 4g. it is available in 20g versions as well
15:30:44tucozhttp://ipodlinux.org/Generations#Fourth_Generation
15:31:04tucozipodlinux has a good overview of the different ipods
15:31:17webguest30thanks alot!
15:31:40tucozyou're welcome
15:31:45webguest30I'll try to get rockbox on it now :)
15:31:54webguest30see you
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15:32:44Paul_The_NerdI wonder which page said only the 3g has 20gigs?
15:33:23tucozmaybe it says that the 3g only comes in 20gb?
15:33:33KohlrabiHow advanced is rockbox for H10?
15:33:38Paul_The_NerdWhich would be a different meaning entirely
15:33:40tucoznot excluding other ipods
15:33:42tucozyes
15:34:16Paul_The_NerdKohlrabi: Umm... I'm not sure what you mean by that question. It's slightly less far along than the iPod port
15:34:31tucozbut quite usable, as far as i know
15:34:32KohlrabiThat's what I meant
15:34:40KohlrabiIt's playing music? :)
15:34:43tucozyes
15:34:52Kohlrabimkay
15:35:10tucozAnd it must be one of the easiest targets to install rockbox to
15:35:31tucozas you only backup a file, copy a new file, and unzip the rockbox.zip to the root
15:36:01Kohlrabino bootloader-flashing?
15:36:05tucozno
15:36:06Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: On the archoses you *just* extract Rockbox.zip to the root. :-P
15:36:10tucozhehe
15:36:13tucozok
15:36:25KohlrabiThe wiki-page doesn't have this nicer table I got used to from H120 ;)
15:36:29darkskiez where does ipod_fw come from ?
15:36:48*darkskiez types it correctly and finds it
15:36:59Kohlrabibtw
15:37:22KohlrabiSo you put the H10 FW in the appropriate dir on the player
15:37:35KohlrabiAnd if it won't work, is there a way to fall back to original FW?
15:38:02linuxstb_tucoz: There's no dual-booting on the H10, which makes the install easier.
15:38:17linuxstb_Kohlrabi: Yes, you just copy the original FW back to the disk.
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15:38:38Kohlrabiso booting to USB happens before FW is read?
15:38:57tucozlinuxstb_, i see
15:38:58Kohlrabi+mode*
15:39:04tucozso that is similar to the archoses
15:39:29tucozbut i guess when you use an archos there is _no_ benefit of using the OF
15:39:51tucozlike wma, video etc support
15:40:10linuxstb_No, I don't think there's any advantage of the OF.
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15:41:14tucozKohlrabi, you can still access the UMS mode if that is what you mean
15:41:23Kohlrabiah
15:41:24KohlrabiUMS
15:41:26Kohlrabiok
15:41:42Kohlrabi.oO(What's UMS?)
15:42:19tucozUniversal Mass Storage (i think)
15:42:42Kohlrabik
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15:48:24Paul_The_NerdIt may be "USB" instead of "Universal" as I seem to have seen it written both ways.
15:53:10BHSPitLappy_abbreviating an abbrev., how amusing
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16:03:43rasherWho could have guessed that the processor was stressed on track-change
16:03:58rasherMy DJ plan is foiled
16:04:19rasher(speaking .talk clips on track change)
16:04:39soultwisteryour telling that daily builds dont support album art
16:04:46rasherThey don't.
16:04:55rasherRockbox doesn't support album art.
16:05:04rasherThere are unofficial builds that do, however
16:05:24soultwisterDam such a wonderfull peice of software wow unbelievable
16:05:42soultwisterbleeding edge
16:06:01rasherIt's "unbelievable" that Rockbox doesn't support album art?
16:06:07rasherFeel free to improve on that situation
16:07:02soultwisterlo loud im not saying rockbox sucks im just saying it has everything else but album art support
16:07:24soultwisterthats weird
16:07:36rasherNot really
16:08:01rasherRockbox is a music player, and until quite recently, the mere thought of adding album art was stupid (no devices with colour screens)
16:08:30soultwisterahh i understand
16:08:58Paul_The_NerdNow it's waiting for Metadata to be stored properly in the buffer, and until that's implemented Album Art really won't work the way it should (internally)
16:09:05Paul_The_NerdIf I understand correctly
16:09:30soultwisterhow long have they been making making buiulds for color
16:09:36linuxstb_I think the problem was that the current patch was implemented around the time of the last feature freeze (or just before) - so the core developers didn't want to pay any attention to it, and now the feature freeze is over, the developers of the patch aren't talking to the core devs...
16:09:55Paul_The_Nerdsoultwister: Maybe a year now, or a bit less?
16:10:48soultwisterthat would make be cool cause i like the speed and options rockbox offer compaired to ipod
16:11:12tucozlinuxstb, isn't viewports also a consideration that should be taken when adding albumart support?
16:11:35linuxstb_Not really. If anything is preventing it, it's the ability to store metadata in the audio buffer.
16:11:37rasherI'm a bit miffed over this. I was hoping that adding track-announcing would be nice and quick, but now it's entirely beyond my understanding
16:12:08soultwisterim sorry
16:12:11soultwisterme too
16:12:24soultwisterim just a user
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16:12:44linuxstb_But assuming the current album art patch doesn't adversely affect battery life for people who don't use album art, I wouldn't be against committing it.
16:12:46soultwisteri got no skills
16:13:00soultwisterexcept in using
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16:14:10soultwisteri get much better sound quality from rockbox
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16:14:24Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: As long as it doesn't hit the disk unless %c is present, and it doesn't allocate additional WPS buffer just for the cover art, I can't imagine it decreasing battery life (unless some craziness occurred in the writing), and I'm *guessing* that if it did either of those it would be fixable with moderate ease, right?
16:16:24rasherMan, speaking the .talk file for a song on track change works *beautifully* with an album "encoded" in wav..
16:16:29Paul_The_NerdBut considering people using the Kosh's build and others still seem to get greater than retail firmware battery life, I have to assume it's not a big hit on it even when being used.
16:16:40Paul_The_Nerdrasher: What about FLAC?
16:16:54rasherPaul_The_Nerd: Probably the same. With mp3 however, I get skipping of doom
16:17:12Paul_The_Nerdrasher: Odd, MP3 on iRiver at least plays mostly or entirely unboosted nowadays, doesn't it?
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16:17:37rasherNo idea.
16:18:14rasherhm, okay, maybe not so beautifully. I guess my plan is doomed
16:18:31rasherOn automatic track change it works nicely, but when skipping, it breaks
16:18:34rasherA shame
16:19:01rasherI'd probably need to pause audio, talk, then unpause for it to work properly
16:19:13rasherAnd playback.c is scaring me
16:19:17Paul_The_NerdWhy not do that?
16:19:27rasherBecause it's hard, presumably
16:19:53rasherI'd have to find out how to detect that the clip has been spoken, and I'm not sure how to do that
16:20:24rasheror even where to look
16:20:26Paul_The_NerdAaah
16:20:37Paul_The_NerdIt's probalby not even possible yet
16:20:44rasherThis'd probably be far easier on hwcodec
16:20:52Paul_The_NerdI have an idea
16:20:55rasherThe mixing thing makes it problematic
16:20:58Paul_The_NerdIn DJ mode, buffer the .talk clips inbetween songs
16:21:02Paul_The_NerdAs just regular MP3 music
16:21:25Paul_The_NerdIt'd probably be a lot simpler, since then you don't have to do crazy pausing stuff or anything
16:21:31rasherTrue
16:21:34rasherHrm
16:21:46Paul_The_Nerd"Insert DJ" on a folder, and before each music file it puts the .talk with the same name
16:22:16Paul_The_NerdOr however you want the announce interface to work
16:22:30rasherI don't know if the playback code would like the buffered size to be larger than size-on-disk
16:22:42rasherAs well, the clip might not be the same codec
16:22:50rasherSo it'd have to be inserted as an individual song
16:22:55rasherWhich would mostly ruin it
16:22:59Paul_The_NerdHow would it ruin it?
16:23:11rasherShuffling would
16:23:17rasherFor one thing
16:23:22Paul_The_NerdOh, that is true
16:23:41rasherAnd I have a feeling skipping would become awkward
16:23:52rasherMaybe
16:24:14*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
16:24:15rasherBut rah, why oh why could the processor not just be a small pentium
16:24:17Paul_The_NerdAh well
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16:25:17rasherMaybe I should post what little I have now to the tracker, so someone might one day have a look at it
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16:30:39Paul_The_NerdI never quite got why there are so few 'incomplete' ideas on the tracker. At the very least it'd give a lot of people things to tinker with or ideas.
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16:31:24senabi think i've found a bug
16:32:04senabwhen you stop playback on a song, then shut down rockbox, then reboot it and press play it used to carry on from where you stopped it
16:32:27senabnow it starts playing again, but the playback time is set to 0:00
16:32:48rasherWhich file format?
16:32:52senabmp3
16:33:22senabit doesn't playback from where you left it, the time display is set to 0:00
16:33:23rasher"stop playback" as in pause or actual stop?
16:33:47senabas in shutdown, i'm guessing it stops
16:34:12rasherAh, so you don't stop, you simply shutdown directly?
16:34:20senabyes
16:34:34senabit used to carry on from where i left it
16:34:43senaband the time would be correct
16:34:55senabnow it carrys on from where i left it, but the time isn't correct
16:34:59senabit's only a small bug
16:35:17linuxstb_Maybe it's the button mappings... i.e. playback isn't actually being stopped?
16:35:23*linuxstb_ is guessing wildly
16:36:09rasherIt's working here, even though stop only seems to trigger on release
16:36:12rasher(h120)
16:36:24senablet me try again
16:36:31rasherTime display is correct, and resume position is correct
16:36:37rasherI suspect something a bit more involved
16:36:59rasherNow that was strange... I managed to press stop for half a second, release it... and... nothing
16:37:05rasherdidn't shut down, didn't stop the music
16:37:16senabit's working again now.... strange
16:37:27rasherGuess I managed to do a long press without shutting down
16:37:33rashersenab: same file?
16:37:40senabnow mp3 though
16:37:43senab*no
16:37:58senabi'm trying that file now
16:38:30senabfor the ipod to shutdown, you have to stop though
16:39:01senabsame file, reoccurs
16:39:05rasherI blame the file
16:39:06rashersomehow
16:39:15senabit must be the file
16:39:18rasherProbably vbr fun
16:39:23rasherof some kind
16:39:26senabnah its CBR
16:39:41senabi'll rewrite the lame header and see what happens
16:39:59senabit's a long file though, 2 hours
16:40:47rasherThat could be why (longer than buffer-size) maybe
16:40:52barrywardellcould be related to this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6068
16:41:13rasherIn fact, it's probably exactly that
16:41:29senabyes thats it
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16:42:03senabinfact thats also the exact timing i've tried
16:43:26senabyep it looks like its the audio buffer
16:43:58senab14 mintues at 192 cbr is ~21MB which is roughly the size of the audio buffer on my 5g ipod
16:45:22rasherPaging lostlogic, Slasheri, pondlife to FS #6068 i guess, then
16:45:39darkskiezeep, is there anyone looking at the new 80gb 5g ipods ? It seems a bit different
16:46:09darkskiezi seem to get 3 partitions detected, but fdisk returns nothing..
16:46:13rasherI think someone was looking into a problem with the harddisk using 2048 byte clustersize or something like that
16:46:45darkskiezis there a pastebin
16:47:24rashernot a rockbox specific one, any one will do, I think
16:47:50rasherlooks like pastebin.ca is used a lot
16:48:23darkskiezdiskdump gives me this: http://pastebin.ca/184986
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16:49:29barrywardellkalthare made some progress. have a read of his irc messages around here: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060923.txt
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16:50:49darkskiezthanks
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16:52:14rasherI'm off again. If anyone feels like looking at the DJ feature, I put it at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6083
16:53:36darkskiezbarrywardell: 00.20.21 # <Kalthare> Well, that's it. I'm stumped. Anyone here familiar with the ATA code?
16:53:37darkskiez:(
16:53:53daurn|afkdarkskiez: on tuesdays
16:54:51barrywardellyes, i think he got stuck
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16:55:21barrywardellyou need to find someone who understands ata.c enough to adapt it to 2048 byte sizes
16:56:25darkskiez#define SECTOR_SIZE (512) :) hmm.. deceptively simple
16:56:54*daurn|afk guesses ipod 5.5g stuff?
16:57:35darkskiezaye
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16:57:52linuxstb_darkskiez: Sure you don't have an HFS+ ipod?
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16:58:15barrywardellalso this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.30
16:58:18darkskiezlinuxstb_: I do, i was trying to extract the firmware images first as per instructions.
16:58:53linuxstb_The instructions tell you to convert to FAT32 first (or at least, they should do). diskdump only works with a FAT partition table.
16:59:07darkskiezhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX#Convert_an_iPod_from_HFS_to_FAT32
16:59:22darkskiezthey do not.
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17:00:00rasherThe manual does, I know this
17:00:19linuxstb_What does the "IMPORTANT NOTE" say at the top, under Introduction?
17:00:47darkskiezlinuxstb_: rockbox only works on fat32
17:00:59darkskiezlinuxstb_: follow the converting steps
17:01:24rasherSo which instructions do not tell you to convert
17:01:39*darkskiez 's brain clicks into place and realises the 'download required files' does not mean from the ipod.
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17:02:06darkskiezit was the a) Download the required files, find your iPod and unmount it
17:02:54linuxstb_But anyway, those manual conversion steps won't work - there's no ready-to-use MBR for an 80GB 5g, and the Apple Updater no longer exists.
17:03:15linuxstb_ - so you can't get the firmware from it...
17:03:51darkskiezso, get a windows machine to wipe it?
17:03:53linuxstb_Apple now do everything within itunes 7.
17:04:41linuxstb_Yes, I think that's the only way with the currently available tools.
17:04:53*darkskiez isnt sure how to get a windows thing to wipe it but get it to sync to his mac
17:05:37*darkskiez decides to port the HFS driver from linuxipod project (or at least at it to my todo list until someone else does it)
17:05:38linuxstb_You'll have to install itunes 7 on a windows machine, and then it should offer to restore your ipod when you first attach it - itunes in Windows can't read an HFS+ ipod.
17:06:05linuxstb_If you then plug a FAT32-formatted ipod into a Mac, the Mac itunes will be happy to use it.
17:06:07darkskiezlinuxstb_: yeh, but then the mac itunes asks "Erase and sync?" when you try and syncup.
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18:14:44lostlogicpondlife: still around?
18:15:14pondlifeYess
18:15:18pondlifeYes, even
18:15:27lostlogicit's no longer 2am here.
18:15:30pondlifelol
18:15:38pondlifeSorry about that, didn't wake you did I?
18:15:48lostlogichaha, 'course not
18:16:02lostlogicI leave it open cuz I know I'll see any messages that people want me to when I get back
18:16:04pondlifeDid you see my voice buffering patch
18:16:12lostlogicnope, showme :)
18:16:32pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6072
18:17:00pondlifeSeems to do the job - just kills PCM before starting a voice clip if not playing
18:17:13pondlifeBit of a hack, but I think it's safe
18:17:22pondlifeWorks well for me anyway.
18:18:24lostlogicyeah, there's definitely nothing wrong with that approach though.
18:18:43lostlogicwas it more of a problem in that case than in the case where the music is playing too any wya.
18:18:49lostlogic?
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18:19:07pondlifeProbably, but this is the best I can do in the short term
18:19:20pondlifeUnlikely to have much time in the next 2 weeks
18:19:58lostlogicthis is fine for the music is stopped case.
18:20:04pondlifeYou wouldn't object if this were committed then
18:20:08lostlogicthe music is playing case... *shudder just in time mix*
18:20:10lostlogicnot at all
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18:20:16lostlogicdon't you have CVS ci access yet?
18:20:29pondlifeErm, look at the frontpage...
18:20:32pondlife;-)
18:20:47lostlogicah, good.
18:20:54pondlifeOne more coming up.
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18:22:17lostlogickeep up the good work, I might actually have time in the next few weeks to work on rewriting metadataonbuffer
18:22:23lostlogicjust to keep things properly shaken up
18:22:54preglow!
18:23:01preglowdidn't lowlight have a new metadata on buffer patch?
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18:55:40lostlogicoh, I hadn't seen it, I'll make sure to ask him before I do anything stupid.
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18:59:52preglowstupid and stupid
18:59:59preglowhe just didn't understand yours so made his own, afaik
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19:00:11preglowi don't think it does anything more
19:00:16preglowon the contrary, i think it does less
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19:07:12hcsit is truly a beautify thing to see a huge project compile cleanly
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19:11:49roolkuslasheri: if you are around - there is a bug with tagcache: it doesn't collect runtime information for the last track in a playlist
19:12:47roolkuslasheri: i checked it is not just a case of delayed update, I can play other tracks, shut down etc, the lastplayed and playcount status are not updated
19:13:44*linuxstb tests out the album-art patch
19:13:52Slasheriroolku: ah, true. that is a bug indeed
19:14:20roolkuslasheri: so I would guess the special case when playback stops at the end of a playlist doesn't update the db?
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19:14:29Slasheriwe just need to determine if the playback has stopped because of stop button is pressed or playlist ends
19:14:50Slasheriif stop button is pressed, we don't want to save the runtime data for currently playing track
19:15:21Slasherihmm, do you mean it doesn't update any tracks in the buffer or just the last one?
19:18:36roolkuas far as i can see only the last one
19:19:19roolkuI have a virtual directory for all tracks by an artist that I haven't heard yet
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19:19:40roolkuand when I play this as a playlist there is alway the last one left over
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19:21:13roolkueven if I try playing it as a single track it won't update playcount (seen on wps) or lastplayed status (used in the conditional)
19:21:29Slasheriyep, i will try to fix that soon
19:22:27roolkuexcellent! thanks a lot. :)
19:22:59Slasheri:)
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20:18:44pixierockbox as in the software for mp3players, right?
20:18:59linuxstb_right
20:19:29pixieIf you want to update a version, do you need to do anything special?
20:19:46pixieAlso, will you get data loss?
20:19:56peturwhat player?
20:20:01pixieipod video
20:20:24peturdrm music?
20:20:37peturwant to keep using itunes?
20:20:43pixieI don't use itunes
20:20:45linuxstb_You just unzip the latest rockbox.zip to your ipod over the top of the previous .rockbox and rockbox.ipod
20:21:03pixielinuxstb_: Ah, allright, cool. Would you get any data loss, or what?
20:21:21petura backup is always a wise thing...
20:21:27pixieCan't be arsed
20:21:46linuxstb_Are you talking about installing Rockbox for the first time, or upgrading an existing install?
20:22:01pixieUpgrading
20:22:20pixieI assumed there wouldn't be any data loss, but asking to be sure
20:22:36tucozpixie, let's put it this way. I have run rockbox for a year and a half and never experienced data loss
20:22:39linuxstb_There shouldn't be - you're just unzipping some files to your ipod.
20:22:47pixieThought so
20:22:53pixietucoz: Just asking to be sure, that's great
20:23:15tucozyes. i find the way you update rockbox quite safe
20:23:29tucozas it only involves the hard disk
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20:27:16pixie.rockbox is supposed to be the root dir?
20:27:46godzirraYes.
20:27:52pixieAight.
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20:28:32pixieHm, it looks different from the root dir I already have
20:31:33godzirraI usually make a backup of mywps directory and then delete the old .rockbox directory
20:31:41godzirrabefore nstalling a new one, but thats just me
20:32:07pixieMy root dir isn't called .rockbox
20:33:02peturthe root dir isn't called anything, it's just the root of the drive
20:33:31linuxstb_e.g. f:\ is the root, and .rockbox is f:\.rockbox (if you're in Windows)
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20:34:44pixieOkay, well, do I take everything from .rockbox and put it into the root ?
20:35:05petureh?
20:35:17peturjust unzip the file onto the drive
20:35:31peturit will just overwrite the files
20:36:15peturwhat's in .rockbox should stay there
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20:39:31pixieVersion doesen't seem to change
20:40:25linuxstb_Do you have a rockbox.ipod inside the .rockbox folder?
20:40:30pixieNope
20:40:38pixieIt was extracted into the /
20:40:44peturis there only one rockbox.ipod file on the player or is there one in the root and one in the .rockbox directory?
20:40:54pixieOnly one.
20:44:00amiconnBagder: Around?
20:45:03pixieAny idea why it wn't upgrade?
20:45:33peturdid it overwrite the rockbox.ipod file?
20:45:37pixieYes
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20:45:52peturrestarted the ipod?
20:46:06pixieYup
20:46:39peturthen you have the new version
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20:46:49pixieNot according to the version thingie
20:47:04tucozwhat does that say?
20:47:32pixie060529
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20:47:55tucozthat is a version from May
20:48:00pixieI know
20:48:19pixieThat's why I said version says it's still old
20:48:26tucozare you using windows?
20:48:30pixieNope
20:48:35tucozlinux?
20:48:37pixieYes
20:48:55tucozdownload a rockbox.zip to your home dir
20:49:13tucozthen do: unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/ipod
20:49:40tucozor wherever your ipod gets mounted
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20:52:03pixieHaha, howcome that worked rather than just having a copy of the .zip in the / and then unzipping it there?
20:52:09pixieStrange
20:53:46tucozso you are up-to-date now?
20:54:02pixieYep
20:54:10tucozgreat :)
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20:54:34pixieStrange, when I just copied the .zip into the root, extracted and replaced everything, it wouldn't work
20:54:43pixieBut then a command that does esencially the same thing does
20:54:55tucozsounds strange
20:54:59pixieIndeed
20:55:08pixieGuess it's not the first time I've had a random error
20:55:09rrcHi! What does (void)variablename actually do?
20:55:39pixieHave the newer versions done anything about the battery hogging?
20:55:45pixieOr is it still as bad? :P
20:56:16tucozit's still quite bad for ipods. but i think there might be a little improvement.
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20:56:25tucozthe real reason for that is yet to be found
20:56:33pixieAtleast it doesen't lag when you scroll through the playlis tanymore
20:56:38pixieMusic used to lag when you did that
20:57:04tucoznow music playback is prioritized over the user interface
20:57:25pixieUh, also, if I want to make a playlist manually, I tried to do ls > blah.m3u, is there a way to make the ls output the full directory line instead of just the filename?
20:57:53markunpixie: you can use the 'find' command
20:57:58peturrrc: avoid a compiler warning on an unused variable
20:58:11Quazgaaman ls
20:58:48Quazgaanerds
20:58:58tucozpixie, yes. like markun says. find -name "*.mp3" > file.m3u
20:59:27rrcpetur: Thanks! And I was expecting some C style voodoo magic there that magically does with the variable what the functionname implies ;-)
20:59:39pixieThanks
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21:01:26godzirraI just want to say, wow.
21:01:32godzirraI just upgraded from a 2 month old version of rockbox.
21:01:37godzirraon an H-120
21:01:47godzirrathe almost instant directory changing compared to the old version is awesome.
21:01:54bipakgodzirra: yeah, made this experience yesterday :)
21:02:12markungodzirra: without dircache?
21:02:26godzirramarkun: no idea... I just loaded the new version and tried to change directories
21:02:29godzirraand it was fast.
21:03:01markunif you enable dircache it will be even faster
21:03:14godzirratrying to find out where that is :)
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21:06:04godzirracare to give me a hint? :)
21:07:28bipaksystem->disk->directory cache
21:08:11*bipak activates it too
21:08:12bipak:>
21:08:35markunyou need to reboot your player for it to work
21:08:37godzirrahrm
21:08:41godzirranot sure how to get to the system menu
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21:09:17bipakits under the general settings
21:09:23markungodzirra: a-b button..
21:09:41pixieIs there no way to just browse directories on the iPod like with the normal OS, instead of making playlists?
21:10:06godzirraI don't have a disk under there
21:10:12bipakis there a reboot function in the menu?
21:10:18markunbipak: no
21:10:19bipak:>
21:10:30bipakok *g*
21:10:44godzirrarecent bookmarks, sound, general, manage, browse themes,fm ,recording,playlist, browse plugins, info
21:10:47godzirrano disk
21:11:02godzirraahh
21:11:03godzirrafoudn it
21:11:09bipak:))
21:11:10godzirraunder general, system,
21:11:11markunpixie: with rockbox you can browse your files, what are you trying to do?
21:11:16bipak[21:09:17] <bipak> its under the general settings
21:11:19bipak:p
21:11:31godzirraCan anyone take a look at my wps file and etll me whats wrong? Its cutting off the song name :/
21:11:40pixiemarkun: I cna't find where you browse files
21:11:44pixiemarkun: I can only browse through playlists
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21:12:03godzirraholy crap.
21:12:07godzirradirectory cache is neat!
21:12:09bipaknice :D
21:12:11bipakyes
21:12:27bipakand it scans very fast
21:12:34godzirraNow if I could just get my wps file workign :/
21:12:50markunpixie: the playlists are in the same dirs as the files you are trying to play?
21:13:12pixiemarkun: The playlist is in the first dir that comes up when I boot
21:13:23markunand where are the songs?
21:13:30markunIn a subdir?
21:13:31pixieIn iPod_Control/Music
21:13:38pixieBut I can't view directories in rockbox
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21:13:41pixieI can't find out where
21:14:00markun20:20 < pixie> I don't use itunes
21:14:10pixieArgh, not on the computer, when you boot the iPod
21:14:19pixieOfcourse I can browse the files when I plug it in the computer
21:14:32pixieI want to browse them *on* the iPod, like you can with the original OS
21:14:34markunpixie: I'm not talking about browsing on the computer..
21:14:53markunpixie: go read the TagCache wiki page
21:15:48dionoeahello
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21:16:23pixiemarkun: It's not music I already had on my iPod
21:16:27pixiemarkun: It's music I added afterwards
21:16:34godzirraso i'm guessing thats a no to help with my wps? :0
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21:16:35pixiemarkun: I don't have an iTunes DB
21:16:35godzirra:)
21:17:10markunpixie: really, I don't know what your problem is. On all players with rockbox the file browser is the first thing you see when you turn the player on.
21:17:14pixiemarkun: I just want to know how I can browse the music dirs in rockbox like you could with the original OS. In the original one you could browse directories, and you could scroll through the playlist
21:17:22markunThen you can just browse to the dir with your songs and play them
21:17:24pixiemarkun: Yeh, but I cannot see the music dir there..
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21:17:46pixieiPod_Control/
21:17:54pixieI can see it when it's plugged in, but not on its own
21:18:05markunwhy did you put them in iPod_Control anyway?
21:18:12pixieThought I was supposed to :P
21:18:18pixieCould I move them to the / ?
21:18:34markunYou can put your music anywhere you want. Don't know why the iPod_Control dir is not visible
21:19:12pixie'tis strange
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21:19:41RibsI think it might be intentionally hidden
21:19:47markunpixie: try this in the menu: General settings -> File view -> Show files -> All
21:19:48Ribsfor people that use rockbox and apple firmware
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21:21:30godzirrahow do I know when "Initialize Now" is finished?
21:21:45linuxstb_iPod_Control normally has the hidden attribute set - which is why the default Rockbox view doesn't show it.
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21:22:37pixieUgh, moving all the music to / sounds like a pain in the arse :P
21:22:59linuxstb_cd iPod_Control ; mv * ..
21:23:12pixieWell duh, but it'll take forever
21:23:14pixieIt's a lot of music
21:23:22markunmoving doesn't take forever
21:23:24linuxstb_Or create a new folder called "Music" and put it in there.
21:24:02markunpixie: think of mv as a rename command, not cp + rm
21:25:00pixieI for some reason break my brain thinking 'rm' is 'rename'
21:25:09pixieI have accidently removed so much shit
21:25:10pixie:P
21:25:21pixierm *.mp3 /blah/music
21:25:23pixie*shit*
21:25:28markunyou truely are and idiot :)
21:25:31godzirralmao
21:25:34pixieHahah aren't we all
21:25:42markunsometimes..
21:25:46pixieIt's just when I'm really tired and not really paying attention
21:25:55pixieAnd *really*, everyone slips in and out of idiocy during the day
21:26:02pixieWe spend most of our day being an idiot.
21:26:33pixieAccidently killing innocent bystanders in the process
21:27:53markunwell, look on the bright side. Now mv * .. will not take so long anymore :)
21:28:08pixieI should add a thingie to make it ask if I'm sure when I do rm
21:29:01pixieOkay what the hell, now it can't find the music dir there
21:29:20markunpixie: alias rm="rm -I"
21:29:23linuxstb_rm /bin/rm ?
21:30:21Slasheriin fact it's -i, not -I
21:30:56markunSlasheri: in freebsd -i asks you for every file. Don't know if you want that.
21:31:13Slasheriah.. but that's not posix then :)
21:32:07markunyou are right.. sorry
21:34:16pixieMeh, why does it randomly go read only?
21:34:21pixieIt hates me
21:34:28godzirraHrm.
21:34:36godzirrahow do I -use- tagcache after initializing it
21:34:41godzirrait didnt seem readily apparent in the docs...
21:34:44Bagderpixie: usually a sign of a fs error (in Linux fat driver)
21:35:06pixieShould I fsck it?
21:35:14Bagderyes
21:35:26Bagderbut the bad news is that there's no good fsck tool for fat
21:35:35Slasherigodzirra: than the view mode to id3
21:36:00pixieBagder: Nothing useable?
21:36:08Bagderusable sure
21:36:16Bagderjust not very good
21:36:26pixieAight :p
21:36:27godzirraSlasheri: trying to figure out where to change that :)
21:36:27Bagderso there can be errors etc it can't fix
21:36:36*amiconn notices Bagder around
21:36:46godzirraahh got it
21:36:51godzirrait still tells me tag cache isnt ready.
21:36:51godzirra:/
21:37:08amiconnBagder: Do you think offering an RVF version of your test video for download would be good?
21:37:17amiconnI'm asking because I now have one
21:37:32Bagderwell, exactly zero persons have asked for one ;-)
21:37:52linuxstb_Can I have one?
21:37:56Bagderbut we could put it there for completeness
21:37:57pixieBagder: Would dosfsck work?
21:38:01amiconnHow many people have asked for the various .m2v versions?
21:38:06Bagderpixie: that's the one
21:38:14pixieThought so
21:38:36pixieBagder: Oioi, it says "There are differences between boot sector and its backup.
21:38:55pixieCopy original to backup, or backup to original?
21:39:57godzirrahow long should it take for tagcache to be finishde
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21:49:37markungodzirra: no idea. Is it still reading from the hdd?
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21:56:58godzirramarkun: doesnt seem to be.
21:57:43godzirraI tried Initialize now again
21:57:50godzirrait blinked red for a second then stopped
21:57:54godzirrathen blinked red for a second and stopped again
21:58:00godzirrado I need to reboot after it does tagcache?
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21:58:08markungodzirra: yes, try rebooting
21:58:16godzirrak
21:58:44godzirrait went through saying it was commiting tag cache when it rebooted
21:58:47godzirraand that it was scanning directories
21:58:52godzirrathen booted to the menu where it says artist/etc.
21:59:00godzirrabut still says tagcache not ready when I select artist
21:59:27markunSlasheri is mister tagcache, maybe he knows
21:59:29godzirratry initialize now again?
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23:09:48amiconn7me points linuxstb to http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/elephantsdream-112x64.rvf
23:11:38*petur thinks qwertzu keyboards have a strange place to put the /
23:12:16Bagderdepends on your kb layout
23:12:23*ender` usually uses the one on numeric keypad
23:12:43ender`less chance of hitting the wrong one (or not pressing Shift enough)
23:13:16Bagderender`: but you need to move the hand away to reach that part of the keyboard
23:13:59ender`it's not that far (and i'm used to press it with my little finger
23:14:07Bagderhehe
23:14:37ender`speaking of weird keyboard layouts, why do laptop vendors insist on totally useless key shuffling?
23:14:37*Bagder never uses the num keypad - the *only* exception is when running Rockbox sims
23:14:59ender`if i have a long number to enter, i'll always use the numpad
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23:53:47sneakumsrandom possibly stupid thought: anyone tried disabling multisector on the 5.5G ipods to see if that helps?
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23:55:44sneakums(if only as a test)

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