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| 00:02:29 | DrMoreau | yo |
| 00:02:38 | sneakums | blort |
| 00:04:21 | DrMoreau | ne1 have a 5g pod? |
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| 00:05:56 | markun | some people do |
| 00:05:57 | sneakums | i'm currently trying to decide whether to just buy a 5.5 or scour the city for a 5.0 |
| 00:06:15 | DrMoreau | i'm working on the 5.5 port... |
| 00:06:24 | sneakums | oh yes, i thought your nick sounded familiar |
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| 00:06:31 | DrMoreau | I need a boot bin for a 5 so I can take a peek inside |
| 00:06:50 | | Nick DrMoreau is now known as baadb33f (i=mewho@24.151.104.191) |
| 00:07:15 | sneakums | is that the result of a sheep/c0w hybrid? |
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| 00:07:32 | baadb33f | a cheep |
| 00:08:08 | sneakums | speaking of, does linux have any problem with the 5.5 over usb? |
| 00:08:33 | baadb33f | dunno.. I use m$ |
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| 00:09:25 | baadb33f | it shouldn't |
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| 00:10:21 | sneakums | the block layer should handle it, and there's a bunch of stuff in the fat code about logical_sector_size |
| 00:10:26 | sneakums | so with any luck that end's covered |
| 00:12:11 | sneakums | one siggestion i had, which i don't know makes any sense or not, was to hardcode ata.c's multisector to a low value, just to see if it makes any difference, but i'm not sure i really understand the way it all works |
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| 00:14:01 | baadb33f | me either |
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| 00:40:54 | scorche | hurrah! |
| 00:41:04 | scorche | Soap: ipod nano came in the mail =D |
| 00:41:30 | * | scorche dances |
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| 01:02:37 | Soap | scorche - I got my application approval letter today :( |
| 01:02:57 | Soap | 1st generation 1 gig I assume? |
| 01:03:11 | scorche | yup |
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| 01:03:30 | * | scorche dances his way over to the bootloader download |
| 01:03:41 | Soap | white? |
| 01:03:49 | scorche | black |
| 01:03:53 | Soap | hmm |
| 01:04:13 | scorche | i didnt realize ho much this thing picks up finger prints |
| 01:04:29 | scorche | i feel like i have to constantly wipe it clean |
| 01:04:41 | scorche | and then i touch it and a huge print is back |
| 01:04:58 | midkay | keep touching it so that it gets so covered in prints that a "huge one" doesn't stand out. |
| 01:05:12 | scorche | is that realy the solution? |
| 01:05:15 | midkay | or just use it for a day so it ends up so scratched that you can't even see the prints.. either way. |
| 01:05:21 | midkay | either of those, right. |
| 01:05:22 | baadb33f | anyone have a 5g pod handy? |
| 01:05:31 | midkay | me.. |
| 01:05:34 | scorche | but it is so shiny! |
| 01:05:39 | midkay | Rockbox let me down again today. :( |
| 01:05:45 | Soap | ? |
| 01:05:48 | baadb33f | whyso? |
| 01:05:51 | midkay | had to listen with the apple os, it was horrible.. |
| 01:05:57 | scorche | meh? |
| 01:06:09 | baadb33f | you have a 5g or a 5.5? |
| 01:06:09 | midkay | the settings cleared when hold was on whilst it booted and it refuses to load configs. |
| 01:06:16 | midkay | a 5g like you asked for. |
| 01:06:27 | scorche | why does it not load configs? |
| 01:06:35 | baadb33f | can you send me your original apple boot bin? |
| 01:06:36 | midkay | bug or glitch? it's happened before. |
| 01:06:53 | midkay | iirc it's like 120mb, so.. |
| 01:07:04 | scorche | and why does one have to listen to apple os because of that? |
| 01:07:08 | baadb33f | its okay |
| 01:07:22 | baadb33f | dcc it if possible |
| 01:07:27 | midkay | scorche: i didn't want to spend 15 minutes in the menus trying to get everything back to where it was.. |
| 01:07:35 | midkay | baadb33f: why don't you just 'restore'? |
| 01:07:39 | baadb33f | perhaps the rb bin as well |
| 01:07:48 | baadb33f | i want to compare to the 5.5 bin |
| 01:07:53 | baadb33f | i dumped |
| 01:08:23 | midkay | um.. no thanks. |
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| 01:08:41 | Soap | baadb33f - I'm trying to DCC it to you, but you don't appear to have your client set up right. |
| 01:09:01 | baadb33f | k.. lemme check.. i dont use irc on this box much |
| 01:09:53 | baadb33f | try now |
| 01:10:08 | baadb33f | excellent :) |
| 01:10:14 | baadb33f | how about the rb bin |
| 01:10:22 | Soap | that's the big one, what else do you want? |
| 01:10:40 | baadb33f | the modded rockbox boot bin |
| 01:10:49 | scorche | hmmm...i am wondering if i should get an invisible shield for my new 'pod...but, i will only be using it for testing rockbox-related items =S |
| 01:10:55 | Soap | remind this old man of the filename? |
| 01:11:01 | baadb33f | not the whole redump, just the output from ipod_fw |
| 01:11:15 | baadb33f | rockboot.bin usually |
| 01:11:16 | Soap | scorch -I use screen protectors from my PalmPilot to wrap it up. |
| 01:11:32 | scorche | Soap: but invisible shields are niiiiice |
| 01:11:39 | baadb33f | sweet |
| 01:11:43 | scorche | if i wanted to go cheap, packing tape works well |
| 01:11:52 | baadb33f | this will help quite a bit with the 5.5 port |
| 01:12:00 | Soap | scorche - pretty soon that free nano is going to cost you a hundred dollars. |
| 01:12:02 | Soap | ;) |
| 01:12:07 | scorche | hehe...naw |
| 01:12:17 | baadb33f | i won my 5.5g at interop |
| 01:12:26 | scorche | my love is still my ajbr |
| 01:13:05 | Soap | baadb33f - any other files? |
| 01:13:12 | Soap | I need to walk the dog. |
| 01:13:19 | baadb33f | nope.. thanx tho! |
| 01:13:23 | Soap | np |
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| 01:45:00 | Joely | anyone have a sansa? |
| 01:45:14 | Joely | is it worth getting for development? |
| 01:45:24 | linuxstb | Developers are needed... |
| 01:45:44 | Joely | i mean....today is THE day that i have to buy a jukebox...one that is portalplayer based |
| 01:46:24 | linuxstb | A lot of work is needed to get the Sansa working. |
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| 01:52:40 | DrMoreau | weird |
| 01:54:09 | DrMoreau | in the 5.5 the portalplayer copyright junk starts at 5000 on the 5.0 fw it starts at 4600 |
| 01:55:29 | DrMoreau | unless i've had too much crack today.. thats 1024.. i expected 1536 |
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| 01:59:07 | linuxstb | Check also the devOffset values - 0x4400 in the 5g (with 0x200 padding giving 0x4600), and 0x4800 in the 5.5g (with 0x800 bytes padding giving 0x5000). |
| 01:59:45 | Soap | DrMoreau - FWIW, I AppleFirmware 1.2 was not installed on that player image I sent you. |
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| 02:00:04 | Soap | Give me a second to check the wiki, and I'll tell you what version I have installed. |
| 02:01:35 | Soap | Apple Firmware 1.1 |
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| 02:01:50 | linolium | hello fellow rockboxians |
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| 02:02:07 | * | Soap is a Rockboxtonian. |
| 02:02:34 | linolium | I am receiving an error when trying to compile/link rockbox in Cygwin.. it is saying these: /opt/cross/bin//../lib/gcc-lib/arm-elf/3.3/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: section .vectors [00000000 -> 0000003f] overlaps section .text [00000000 -> 00053bc7] |
| 02:03:19 | linuxstb | You're using gcc 3.3? |
| 02:03:51 | linolium | umm |
| 02:04:00 | linuxstb | arm-elf-gcc −−version |
| 02:04:09 | linolium | yes, it is 3.3 |
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| 02:04:19 | linuxstb | The recommended version is 4.0 |
| 02:04:22 | linuxstb | (or higher) |
| 02:04:36 | linuxstb | 3.4 should work, but 3.3 is getting old... |
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| 02:06:17 | * | linuxstb sleeps |
| 02:06:30 | linolium | I guess that means I won't be able to use these then http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=790 |
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| 02:13:06 | linolium | linuxstb: does gcc 4.1 work? |
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| 02:21:49 | godzirra | Slasheri: you about? |
| 02:22:10 | godzirra | I sstill need to figure out how to get tagcache to work |
| 02:22:16 | DrMoreau | wooohooooo!! thanx for the tip linuxstb.. i got the bootloader running on the 5.5 |
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| 02:27:18 | BigMac | hi all |
| 02:27:26 | BigMac | Soap here? |
| 02:28:09 | DrMoreau | it doesen't do anything.. but it says |
| 02:28:16 | DrMoreau | Rockbox boot loader |
| 02:28:33 | DrMoreau | Version: 20060925-2206 |
| 02:28:45 | DrMoreau | IPOD version: 0xFFFFFFFF |
| 02:28:52 | DrMoreau | Toshiba MK3008GAL |
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| 02:43:50 | sneakums | glad i checked back in first, i guess i'll buy the 80G then |
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| 02:47:48 | godzirra | the ipod? |
| 02:47:53 | godzirra | wait the 30 gig ipod? |
| 02:48:03 | godzirra | i've gotten rockbox running just fine on the 30gig ipod |
| 02:48:07 | DrMoreau | there ia a 30g 5.5 |
| 02:48:38 | godzirra | oh huh... |
| 02:48:54 | godzirra | I didnt know there was one that wasnt the normal 5g |
| 02:48:57 | godzirra | weird. |
| 02:49:00 | godzirra | oh. |
| 02:49:04 | godzirra | the 3008 is a zif connector |
| 02:49:06 | godzirra | not an ide connector. |
| 02:49:06 | godzirra | iirc. |
| 02:49:15 | godzirra | I read that today when looking at upgrading my h-120 |
| 02:49:20 | godzirra | and realized I can't afford it |
| 02:49:35 | godzirra | cause 120+ dollars to upgrade to 40 gigs frmo 20 gigs is too much for me :) |
| 02:49:46 | sneakums | any particular binutils recommended for arm? |
| 02:49:55 | sneakums | yeah, i have a h120 |
| 02:50:01 | sneakums | and 42G of music |
| 02:50:04 | sneakums | so it's a bit of a squeeze |
| 02:50:12 | sneakums | i'll keep the h120 for recording i think |
| 02:51:03 | godzirra | I wish I had a bigger drive too |
| 02:51:07 | godzirra | but I can't find an h340 |
| 02:51:13 | godzirra | or an h140 |
| 02:51:18 | godzirra | and so far I dont like any of the other players. |
| 02:51:27 | godzirra | I require drag and drop usb support. ;) |
| 02:53:29 | sneakums | yeah, if i can't rsync to the player i'm not interested |
| 02:53:29 | sneakums | thankfully an ipod with rockbox pretty much does what i want |
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| 02:54:29 | sneakums | oh, i guess IpodBoot needs to also state that gcc 4.0.3 is the latest recommended compiler for ARM |
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| 03:00:49 | godzirra | So anyone know about TagCache? |
| 03:00:51 | godzirra | I need help |
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| 03:12:45 | sneakums | godzirra: as far as i remember there's a menu option somewhere to build the cache, and then you can switch the file view to "id3 database" or whatever it's labelled |
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| 03:18:55 | godzirra | yeah, but its not working |
| 03:19:01 | godzirra | I did the "initialize now" |
| 03:19:07 | godzirra | but it didnt work |
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| 03:23:44 | DrMoreau | linuxstb: have any tips for ata.c :))) |
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| 03:32:52 | scorche | anyone for the manual around? |
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| 03:39:42 | godzirra | So anyone know about tagcache a lot? |
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| 04:12:11 | Joely | omg!!! this sansa is as cute as can be!!! |
| 04:13:15 | scorche | for your sake, i hope you are female |
| 04:14:03 | Joely | awwww |
| 04:14:04 | Joely | argh |
| 04:14:59 | Joely | ummm now it's time to be all manly and put rockbox on it!!? |
| 04:15:07 | Joely | yes! |
| 04:15:25 | sneakums | so that we can all listen to our manly music |
| 04:15:31 | * | sneakums hides his Low oggs |
| 04:20:17 | sneakums | o/~ breaking the law, breaking the law o/~ |
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| 05:05:32 | godzirra | so whats the benefit of ogg over mp3? |
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| 05:07:34 | midkay | better compression at a similar quality level, some like the sound better.. not that much.. |
| 05:07:47 | Joely | it's a free codec, don't forget! |
| 05:08:01 | godzirra | So really the noly thing I gain from changing my 20 gigs of mp3s is a free codec? :) |
| 05:08:19 | midkay | if you have mp3s already i strongly suggest against converting, you'll just lose more quality. |
| 05:08:28 | midkay | and pretty much for nothing, right.. |
| 05:08:29 | Joely | well `reencoding' is just stupid |
| 05:08:29 | scorche | midkay: get to work! |
| 05:10:55 | Joely | can anyone tell me what this manufacturing mode on the Sansa is about? it says daniel got a complete system lock trying to use it. does that mean you cannot access the player again PERMANENTLY? or is it just until you restart it? |
| 05:11:10 | Joely | it => http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html |
| 05:11:56 | midkay | in either case it sounds not-worth-doing.. |
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| 06:12:00 | ze | hey |
| 06:12:02 | ze | fuck you all |
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| 06:13:55 | chendo | lol? |
| 06:14:25 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:14:28 | midkay | ze? wtf. |
| 06:17:46 | aliask | hahahahaha |
| 06:17:49 | aliask | What a nice guy. |
| 06:19:05 | midkay | um, what the hell was that.. i've talked to ze a lot, he's been with the project from its first few months! |
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| 06:20:14 | aliask | Well, I don't think we can take it that seriuosly anyway :) |
| 06:21:17 | midkay | he's drunk or some impostor! :D |
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| 06:57:58 | lex_ | does rockbox work on the new 5g? |
| 06:59:35 | RoC_MM | fo sho |
| 06:59:41 | RoC_MM | btw |
| 06:59:42 | RoC_MM | it's not new |
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| 07:00:21 | EspeonEefi | Erm... |
| 07:00:50 | EspeonEefi | lex_: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.15 |
| 07:01:33 | lex_ | :p |
| 07:01:53 | lex_ | yeah, it has a new fw partition |
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| 07:04:04 | midkay | of course it's new. |
| 07:04:35 | midkay | it looks pretty similar, but it has a better battery and LCD, new search feature, new capacities.. it was announced by apple as a new ipod. |
| 07:04:49 | lex_ | i'm gonna buy one |
| 07:05:05 | lex_ | to replace my photo |
| 07:05:17 | midkay | nice. |
| 07:05:36 | lex_ | but i don't know should i choose the 80GB model or 30 |
| 07:05:44 | lex_ | 80GB is lightier than my photo anyway |
| 07:05:54 | midkay | do you have 80gb of crap or does 30gb suit better? simple question. |
| 07:06:10 | lex_ | i don't know, my 20GB is full of music now |
| 07:06:14 | midkay | both are certainly thinner.. |
| 07:06:18 | lex_ | yep |
| 07:06:25 | lex_ | now i need to go to school, so bye |
| 07:06:28 | midkay | do you have a lot more you could put on there? and if you'd use it for videos.... |
| 07:06:30 | midkay | laters. |
| 07:06:40 | lex_ | i thought i could put a lot of videos there |
| 07:06:46 | lex_ | -> |
| 07:06:47 | midkay | 80gb, most definitely. |
| 07:07:05 | midkay | but 30gb.. considering you've stuffed 20 full, you'd probably have more to put on a 30 and that'd basically fill it up. |
| 07:08:16 | daurn | i went to my local mp3 player etc shop |
| 07:08:24 | daurn | (think best buy) |
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| 07:08:35 | daurn | and the only player they had over 30gb was the ipod |
| 07:08:46 | daurn | (which they were out of stock of) |
| 07:08:51 | midkay | not much of a surprise.. what other players that are currently made are over 30gb? |
| 07:08:58 | midkay | i mean, there are pretty few.. |
| 07:09:09 | chendo | iriver's h340, but that's old and out of production |
| 07:09:10 | midkay | a few media archoses, those aren't so commonly sold here. |
| 07:09:13 | daurn | theres many 40gb |
| 07:09:20 | midkay | right, they wouldn't sell those. |
| 07:09:22 | daurn | chendo: they had 2 h320s left ;) |
| 07:09:23 | midkay | daurn: e.g.?? |
| 07:09:29 | daurn | creative |
| 07:09:35 | midkay | daurn: no way! where was that? |
| 07:09:48 | daurn | midkay: my local store |
| 07:09:54 | daurn | most have a couple left |
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| 07:10:25 | midkay | where are you? |
| 07:10:40 | daurn | ... you should remember |
| 07:10:45 | midkay | i've never seen an H320 in a store for.. like.. damn.. half a year probably. i don't visit very many stores very often though.. |
| 07:11:12 | daurn | you want one? |
| 07:11:53 | midkay | i was half-interested at one point, but not really.. just quite curious where that is, they're pretty far out of production by now and finding new ones seems to be a bit scarce.. especially in a retail store. |
| 07:15:51 | daurn | hmmm |
| 07:15:56 | daurn | h340 are still around |
| 07:16:01 | daurn | but they are clearance |
| 07:16:16 | daurn | h320 are still officially stocked! |
| 07:17:08 | midkay | weird... |
| 07:17:46 | daurn | http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/451cabf704bbe72c2740c0a87f9c0728/Product/View/A2301 |
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| 07:23:46 | daurn | i'm close enough to galleria |
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| 07:31:37 | midkay | ze. |
| 07:31:50 | ze | midkay, |
| 07:32:08 | midkay | what was that all about earlier. |
| 07:32:13 | midkay | join-fu all-leave?!?! |
| 07:32:14 | ze | what? |
| 07:32:23 | ze | huh? |
| 07:32:32 | midkay | −−> ze (n=ze@200.171.151.100) has joined #rockbox |
| 07:32:32 | midkay | <ze> hey |
| 07:32:32 | midkay | <ze> fuck you all |
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| 07:32:53 | ze | pff |
| 07:32:55 | ze | you making shit up? |
| 07:32:56 | ze | heh |
| 07:33:01 | midkay | haha, no actually. |
| 07:33:08 | midkay | just about an hour ago. |
| 07:33:16 | midkay | what were you, drunk or some crap?!! :) |
| 07:33:24 | ze | an hour ago? have i really been off that long? |
| 07:33:46 | ze | i've been fucking with my bios |
| 07:34:00 | midkay | thanks for letting us know you care. |
| 07:34:03 | ze | stupid POS has stuff to assign "PIRQ"s whatever that is |
| 07:34:13 | ze | stuff it decides to assign to it |
| 07:34:17 | ze | but then you can assign irq's to them |
| 07:34:30 | ze | but if stuff's sharing a PIRQ it has to share an irq and you can't make it not do it |
| 07:34:43 | midkay | erm. |
| 07:34:45 | midkay | yeah. |
| 07:34:47 | ze | then of course when you actually do assign an irq for something, it refuses to actually use it in most circumstances |
| 07:35:01 | ze | but no, that wasn't me |
| 07:35:13 | daurn | midkay: damn, just rang the store |
| 07:35:18 | daurn | sold their last one today :S |
| 07:35:22 | ze | see unidentified and different ip for that person |
| 07:35:28 | midkay | haha, daurn. |
| 07:35:32 | ze | it may be the person who had this nick before i took and registered it |
| 07:35:39 | daurn | some guy had it on layby |
| 07:35:41 | ze | expressing their frustrations over it |
| 07:35:47 | daurn | and never picked it up |
| 07:35:49 | ze | durring a rare moment of my absense :p |
| 07:35:56 | daurn | it went back on the market a week ago |
| 07:36:06 | midkay | haha. suuuure. |
| 07:36:07 | daurn | some guy bought it today :S |
| 07:36:11 | midkay | daurn: interesting. |
| 07:36:45 | daurn | (thats the h340) |
| 07:36:50 | daurn | i can still get h320s |
| 07:37:42 | daurn | else i can probably get one shipped from interstate :S |
| 07:39:26 | daurn | uh, is there any rockboxable player that is bigger than 30gb and NOT ipod? |
| 07:40:12 | midkay | hm.. iriver h140 and h340, that's it i think.. oh.. iaudio x5l. |
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| 07:44:48 | aliask | .m4a files are supposed to work nowdays aren't they? |
| 07:46:33 | midkay | barely i think. |
| 07:47:16 | aliask | Maybe I should try these files on my iriver where I actually have a screen to see what's happening. |
| 07:47:21 | daurn | midkay: just looked up X5 - don't like the look & control layout at all |
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| 07:53:28 | midkay | daurn: out of luck then. |
| 07:53:57 | daurn | fuck |
| 07:53:58 | daurn | :S |
| 07:54:24 | aliask | daurn: Gigabeat? |
| 07:54:27 | daurn | i need an mp3 player over 30gb i can live with, and supports ogg (either rockbox or nativly) |
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| 08:58:04 | theli_ua | what is faster - " if (x) y+=z" or (y += z*x ) ? assuming x is 1 or 0 |
| 08:58:05 | theli_ua | ? |
| 08:58:06 | markun | Does anyone have forum powers? |
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| 09:00:42 | theli_ua | markun, you're developer .. you have some :) |
| 09:04:42 | midkay | theli_ua: i'd guess the second one.. |
| 09:04:49 | midkay | well, hm.. |
| 09:05:11 | midkay | gah, that's a stumper :) the first one takes some time to check the status of the value but then it doesn't spend time calculating the value if it isn't necessary.. |
| 09:05:27 | midkay | so i'd say go with the first, they should be performance similar at least but it's more readable and makes more sense. |
| 09:05:59 | theli_ua | and if this is called about 600 times in a second? |
| 09:06:16 | midkay | well you could write a bit of code to measure the speed :) |
| 09:07:00 | theli_ua | i personally think just multiplication will be faster .... |
| 09:07:34 | midkay | you should comment it then.. it probably is slightly. |
| 09:10:22 | theli_ua | amiconn, here? what do you think? |
| 09:11:23 | pondlife | Who knows how the menu code works? Context menus (onplay.c) in particular... |
| 09:11:55 | pondlife | We need a wiki page with IRC "experts" for each area ;-) |
| 09:12:02 | amiconn | theli_ua: Depends on how often x == 1, and also heavily on the architecture |
| 09:12:56 | amiconn | (and what datatype x, y and z have) |
| 09:14:47 | theli_ua | amiconn, on our targets , y and z are int32's and x - bool |
| 09:15:24 | amiconn | And what targets this will run on? |
| 09:15:47 | amiconn | If y is 32bits wide, the first solution will be way faster than the second on SH1 |
| 09:16:24 | amiconn | ...because the SH1 only has a 16x16->32 hardware multiplier, so the 2nd solution requires a subroutine call |
| 09:17:01 | amiconn | I'd expect no big speed differences on coldfire and arm |
| 09:17:25 | amiconn | ..so I'd go for the first solution |
| 09:17:52 | markun | theli_ua: wow, you are right :) |
| 09:18:00 | markun | I just moved my first message :) |
| 09:18:45 | pondlife | Anyone who knows how context menus should work, should look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6010 |
| 09:19:04 | amiconn | In fact the first solution might also be faster on arm. It doesn't require a (somewhat time consuming) branch because arm has conditional execution |
| 09:19:29 | amiconn | ..and otoh the arm multiplier isn't exactly fast |
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| 09:20:32 | theli_ua | amiconn, and if y and z are 16 bit wide? |
| 09:21:14 | theli_ua | amiconn, btw x is often 1 |
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| 09:58:54 | Pestilent | doesnt look like pokemon wants to run on my 4th gen ipod :( |
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| 10:02:38 | aliask | May as well throw the ipod out then. |
| 10:02:46 | Ribs | pikachoo! :( |
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| 10:03:54 | aliask | After getting a mini, I have now realised how damn fat my H300 is/was. |
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| 10:04:21 | linuxstb | aliask: Is it working now? |
| 10:04:53 | aliask | Yeah, it is. I have no idea what was wrong, but to fix it I grabbed a clean CVS and built it locally. |
| 10:07:34 | aliask | I've got a few qualms with this iPod though. 1) No piezo (looks like the patch only works with 5g) and 2) I'd like to be able to tap the top or bottom of the wheel to navigate 1 item in a list, but I can't even implement it, because mini1g's don't have absolute positioning. |
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| 10:10:03 | linuxstb | Looking at IPL (the source to podzilla), it seems there are only two different piezo drivers - 1G-3G and everything else. Did you try enabling the piezo patch for your ipod? |
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| 10:11:30 | aliask | Yeah, I put in the #define HAVE_PIEZO in config-ipodmini.h, but it didn't seem to work. The patch didn't apply cleanly though, so maybe I have to do some cleaning up |
| 10:12:06 | linuxstb | So the 22 September patch is already out of date? |
| 10:12:16 | aliask | Mainly in button.c |
| 10:12:36 | linuxstb | The absolute wheel position patch? |
| 10:12:55 | aliask | Wasn't that merged with CVS? |
| 10:13:01 | linuxstb | Yes, that's what I mean. |
| 10:13:14 | aliask | Yes, but it doesn't affect mini1g's |
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| 10:14:33 | aliask | Not sure if you just missed config-ipodmini.h when merging. I tried just adding the define to the config, no errors, but then I realised I didn't really have any way to test it. |
| 10:17:23 | linuxstb | No, the mini1g button driver is differerent to all the other "post-3g" ipods. |
| 10:19:27 | aliask | Damn. Is there anything in ipodlinux I could look at to get it working? |
| 10:29:25 | darkskiez | whats the preferred debian way of getting a cross-compiler on the go? crosstool? |
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| 10:30:11 | mirak2 | hi |
| 10:30:46 | markun | hi mirak2 |
| 10:30:47 | aliask | darkskiez: I use debian, and I just compiled from source - I don't think there will be prebuilt binaries for gcc-arm or gcc-m68k |
| 10:31:28 | linuxstb | darkskiez: There are a few debian users here, and we all do the same as aliask - compile from source. |
| 10:31:33 | darkskiez | aliask: yeh, did u use dpkg to build it from source though, or just a /usr/local install |
| 10:31:55 | aliask | I don't even know what dpkg is :) |
| 10:32:02 | linuxstb | I have separate install dirs for each compiler - e.g. /usr/local/arm-elf/ |
| 10:32:16 | linuxstb | To uninstall you can then just delete that directory. |
| 10:32:28 | aliask | configure −−targe=arm-elf −−prefix=/home/aliask/arm −−enable-languages=c <−− for gcc |
| 10:32:58 | markun | you can also try bagder's rockboxdev.sh script |
| 10:33:13 | darkskiez | http://www.freaknet.org/martin/crosstool/ looks like it'll do the job |
| 10:33:16 | linuxstb | aliask: I expect the mini1g button driver in Rockbox is identical to the one in IPL, so looking at the IPL source probably won't help. |
| 10:33:43 | markun | mirak2: tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 10:33:45 | markun | eh.. |
| 10:33:46 | aliask | darkskiez: That uses gcc 4.1.0, which won't compile rockbox properly. |
| 10:33:54 | linuxstb | darkskiez: Maybe, but it's very simple to compile from source yourself, and it's guaranteed to work... |
| 10:33:59 | markun | darkskiez: tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 10:34:03 | linuxstb | (or use the rockboxdev.sh script...) |
| 10:34:59 | darkskiez | okeydoke, i should have no trouble with that, i do like to try and keep things packaged tho :) |
| 10:35:25 | darkskiez | what version of gcc does compile it properly? |
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| 10:37:16 | aliask | darkskiez: It depends what target you're building for. |
| 10:37:25 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
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| 10:37:25 | * | darkskiez just uses the rockboxdev script |
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| 10:48:54 | aliask | linuxstb: Do you have a mini1g? |
| 10:49:37 | linuxstb | No. |
| 10:49:46 | linuxstb | You're now the official mini1g developer |
| 10:50:36 | aliask | Yaaay :( |
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| 10:51:20 | aliask | I think what happened before (when the backlight stayed on) is some kind of crash. But having no screen makes it hard to tell what. |
| 10:52:01 | linuxstb | Yes, that's a known issue on the PP5020 ipods (mini1g, 4g greyscale and Photo) - crashes and data aborts with no obvious cause. But it seems to be related to the CPU scaling in some way. |
| 10:52:14 | linuxstb | (the other ipods have PP5021 or PP5022) |
| 10:52:19 | aliask | Aha |
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| 11:12:46 | barrywardell | aliask: the H10 has big problems with crashing when frequency scaling is turned on (it's a PP5020 too) |
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| 11:13:58 | aliask | Perhaps frequency scaling should be disabled in CVS for iPods too then. |
| 11:14:30 | aliask | PP5020 iPods at least ;) |
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| 11:15:13 | mirak | linuxstb, can I pm you ? |
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| 11:15:52 | barrywardell | possibly, although it would be nicer to find the cause of the problem |
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| 11:16:45 | aliask | That would be the best answer, but I don't think I'm going to be much help in that regard. |
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| 11:17:39 | barrywardell | on the H10, we get lockups within the first couple of minutes of use with scaling enabled |
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| 11:18:50 | barrywardell | i'm planning to try to figure it out |
| 11:18:57 | barrywardell | when I can find the time... |
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| 11:21:56 | linuxstb | I think we probably should disable it... Having it enabled hasn't helped debugging so far. |
| 11:24:21 | aliask | UGH |
| 11:24:30 | aliask | I thought I had somehow managed to brick my player |
| 11:24:38 | aliask | And all it was was the hold switch on. |
| 11:24:51 | aliask | Do I get a prize for doing something that dumb? |
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| 11:57:06 | daurn | uh |
| 11:57:09 | daurn | why am i lagging so much |
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| 12:38:19 | aliask | barrywardell: Is it the actual changing of the frequency, or is it running at a high frequency that gives the errors? |
| 12:38:40 | barrywardell | i'm not too sure |
| 12:38:58 | barrywardell | it locks up completely when frequency scaling is enabled |
| 12:39:19 | aliask | Heh, I just DISABLED frequency scaling and I got a nice lockup. |
| 12:40:37 | markun | aliask: in the forum people got rid of the crashes by always boosting, so high frequecies are probably not the problem. |
| 12:41:12 | barrywardell | you disabled it by commenting out the HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ? |
| 12:41:21 | aliask | barrywardell: Exactly. |
| 12:42:13 | barrywardell | apparently the PP5020 may have some automatic frequency switching based on current CPU state. |
| 12:43:00 | barrywardell | and you can configure the different states to use different clock sources |
| 12:44:16 | aliask | So do we need to reverse engineer the OF's to see what's going on? |
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| 12:45:24 | barrywardell | there is some reverse engineering done on the H10 bootloader |
| 12:45:34 | barrywardell | looking at cpu frequency stuff |
| 12:49:41 | barrywardell | barrywardell.net/assets/files/H10_CPU_freq.txt">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/H10_CPU_freq.txt |
| 12:49:55 | barrywardell | that's what was gleaned from the H10 firmware so far |
| 12:57:54 | Soap | f: |
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| 13:01:25 | barrywardell | what size is the fixed width sysfont? |
| 13:02:13 | hcs | does the discussion above indicate that we're getting closer to noncrashing frequency scaling on PP5020 ipods? |
| 13:02:37 | aliask | Not really. We're working on it though |
| 13:03:10 | hcs | can I disassemble the official firmware by just loading it up in IDA? |
| 13:03:35 | hcs | maybe I should find out instead of asking |
| 13:03:43 | aliask | Plus, I have no idea :) |
| 13:04:23 | linuxstb | hcs: Yes - you probably need to strip the first 512 bytes from apple_os.bin, but then you're good to go... |
| 13:04:41 | linuxstb | I've never used IDA, but I know people do use to look at the ipod firmware. |
| 13:05:07 | hcs | awesome, I'll see if I can find something helpful |
| 13:05:54 | barrywardell | you can also disassemble the H10 bootloader which apparently has frequency scaling routines in it |
| 13:06:00 | barrywardell | for the PP5020 |
| 13:06:39 | hcs | I don't have that on hand, though |
| 13:06:43 | barrywardell | but they're in ARM thumb mode |
| 13:07:02 | barrywardell | lunch |
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| 13:11:54 | hcs | very cool, there's the portal player copyright notice, but the first instruction is a jump past it, cool to be seeing this stuff |
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| 13:20:50 | daurn | what audio codecs do you guys use |
| 13:20:53 | daurn | and what do you want to use |
| 13:21:02 | daurn | and what would be the perfect codec? |
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| 13:21:26 | aliask | For me MP3 works nicely |
| 13:21:57 | daurn | why do you use it? |
| 13:22:10 | daurn | (besides hardware & software support) |
| 13:22:22 | aliask | Ha - that was going to be my first answer |
| 13:22:47 | aliask | I'm not an audiophile, I can get away with 128 or 192kbps MP3s and they sound fine to me |
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| 13:23:41 | daurn | basically, my questions are: 1) what do you use, 2) if support wasn't an issue, what would you use. 3) is there something else missing? |
| 13:23:45 | linuxstb | daurn: There is no such thing as a perfect codec - it's a compromise between size and quality. |
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| 13:24:20 | amiconn | markun: The generic i2c driver in its current implementation is crap |
| 13:24:21 | daurn | linuxstb: but codecs can have features - eg, i think wavpack is the perfect codec |
| 13:24:24 | amiconn | Way too much overhead |
| 13:24:30 | markun | amiconn: ah :) |
| 13:25:00 | daurn | - in hybrid mode, it spits out 2 files, one comparible to mp3, and a sort of diff file, to make it lossless |
| 13:25:04 | amiconn | It's the reason why the X5 runs with significantly more boost than H1x0/H300, playing the same tracks |
| 13:25:18 | amiconn | i2c is used for button reading, slowing things down |
| 13:26:51 | daurn | aliask: would you have any problem moving to aliask if software/hardware support wasn't a problem? |
| 13:26:58 | * | amiconn wonders what this strange DT_TEXTREL warning is in the latest build table line... |
| 13:27:15 | * | petur saw it too |
| 13:27:41 | amiconn | ooh |
| 13:27:47 | amiconn | It's even more strange... |
| 13:28:07 | aliask | daurn: I assume you meant wavpack? |
| 13:28:08 | amiconn | There is a bunch of those warnings in the build but only one is picked up by the colouring script |
| 13:28:14 | amiconn | Bagder? |
| 13:28:34 | daurn | aliask: lol, i meant to say ogg, but wavpack fits nicely as well |
| 13:28:41 | daurn | answer both! |
| 13:29:19 | aliask | It would mean converting a whole heap of my music from lossy to lossy, and it would also mean worse battery life. (Either one) |
| 13:29:28 | mirak | is it a bad idea to put dyndns adress on the irc because of logs ? |
| 13:29:53 | aliask | mirak: I've never had a problem. |
| 13:29:57 | mirak | by the way if anyone know a pastbin wich supports attachments |
| 13:30:22 | daurn | aliask: you don't have to convert old stuff :P - just for future ripping you do |
| 13:30:23 | mirak | aliask I am just afraid to receive lot of pings or beeing crawled |
| 13:30:45 | daurn | mirak: use tiny url? |
| 13:31:07 | mirak | ok I try that |
| 13:31:16 | aliask | daurn: I'd have to have some kind of advantage to it - at the moment I don't really see one for general use audio. |
| 13:34:17 | daurn | well |
| 13:34:19 | daurn | size |
| 13:34:35 | daurn | ogg of the same bitrate as mp3 is of better quality (supposedly) |
| 13:37:24 | mirak | http://tinyurl.com/etjmr so that's my attempt to use apiexemple.c from ffmpeg for mpeg2 . I have some problems to configure it |
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| 13:40:40 | mirak | one might give a look. the problem is with logging support |
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| 13:48:50 | Ribs | daurn, I'd say ogg is better |
| 13:49:01 | Ribs | I often listen to a radio station over ogg |
| 13:49:13 | Ribs | when I was forced to listen to it in mp3, it didn't sound as nice |
| 13:49:22 | Ribs | even tho the mp3 stream was of a higher bitrate |
| 13:49:32 | Ribs | kinda shocked me that I could hear the difference |
| 13:50:20 | aliask | Yeah, I can confirm this. I couldn't hear any difference between ogg and mp3 at 128kbps, so I went down to 64, and ogg sounds much better at 64kbps |
| 13:51:07 | amiconn | 64kbps for music is weird |
| 13:51:24 | aliask | I certainly wouldn't do it for actual listening :p |
| 13:52:30 | aliask | WMA is about halfway between MP3 and OGG at 64kbps I'd say. |
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| 13:52:56 | Ribs | For me, the ogg stream was 112kbps, and the mp3 128kbps |
| 13:53:00 | amiconn | Even 128kbps mp3 is clearly identifiable as being lossy with most music |
| 13:53:05 | Ribs | I guess once you hit 192kbps it doesn't matter as much |
| 13:53:26 | amiconn | There must be a reason why lame −−preset standard sometimes goes up to 240kbps |
| 13:53:48 | hcs | cymbals |
| 13:53:53 | hcs | etc |
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| 13:55:53 | Ribs | what's a cumbal? |
| 13:55:56 | Ribs | cymbal* |
| 13:56:06 | Ribs | (damn, what a typo!) |
| 13:56:20 | linuxstb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymbal :) |
| 13:56:44 | hcs | tends to be the first to sound like crap with lossy compression |
| 13:56:45 | Ribs | ah |
| 13:56:53 | Ribs | I always thought it was spelt 'symbol' |
| 13:56:58 | Ribs | oh well, live 'n learn |
| 13:58:33 | Kohlrabi | Actually vorbis is optimized for lower bitrates |
| 13:58:43 | Kohlrabi | more than the competitors (sp.?) |
| 13:58:53 | Ribs | competitors is correct :) |
| 13:58:54 | aliask | WMA is also optimised for lower bitrates |
| 13:59:07 | hcs | I've been looking over Blargg's Game_Music_Emu, I think it's a good candidate for a rockbox port. |
| 13:59:21 | Ribs | yeah, but wmv is more evil than mp3 |
| 13:59:29 | aliask | Aye, tis. |
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| 14:00:23 | aliask | Anyone feel like porting USF format over to rockbox ;) |
| 14:00:32 | hcs | heh, not damned likely |
| 14:00:40 | Kohlrabi | WMA is no competitor :p |
| 14:00:50 | hcs | aliask: not for a few generations, anyway |
| 14:01:03 | aliask | It lags on my computer o.o |
| 14:01:08 | Kohlrabi | being properitary |
| 14:01:23 | Kohlrabi | (sp.?) ;) |
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| 14:02:24 | Ribs | close, proprietary :) |
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| 14:25:57 | barrywardell | hcs, aliask: if you're interested in reverse engineering to figure out the cpu scaling stuff, there are loads more PP5020 firmwares to look at here: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
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| 14:26:31 | barrywardell | the BL files are much smaller so would probably be easier to figure out |
| 14:26:51 | aliask | barrywardell: I'm interested, but underskilled. I'll take a look at some of the small ones though, who knows what'll happen. |
| 14:27:04 | aliask | What disassembler do you use? |
| 14:27:16 | * | barrywardell is underskilled too |
| 14:27:56 | barrywardell | arm-elf-objdump. look at the Reminder on that page |
| 14:28:07 | barrywardell | IDA pro is much better but costs money |
| 14:28:07 | aliask | Just saw that :) |
| 14:28:22 | aliask | The demo can do ARM apparantly. |
| 14:29:12 | barrywardell | it says it can, but I don't think it actually does |
| 14:29:20 | aliask | Wonderful. |
| 14:29:43 | barrywardell | for thumb mode, use "arm-elf-objdump -D −−target binary -marm -Mforce-thumb BL.rom" |
| 14:31:16 | aliask | I've never reversed anything before, what's thumb mode? |
| 14:32:00 | barrywardell | arm supports two modes for instructions |
| 14:32:07 | barrywardell | 32-bit is the normal mode |
| 14:32:14 | barrywardell | 16-bit is called thumb mode |
| 14:33:09 | aliask | Ah ok. |
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| 14:39:20 | joeysoap | hey all |
| 14:39:42 | joeysoap | i wouldjust like to ask where do i find plugins |
| 14:40:38 | joeysoap | can anyone help |
| 14:41:19 | aliask | joeysoap: If you download a CVS build from the website, they should be in the rockbox.zip file |
| 14:45:15 | hcs | barrywardell: thanks, I'll give it a look, but I doubt I'll be much use, I'm just learning ARM |
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| 14:45:33 | joeysoap | im just tryingto seewhat i downloaded |
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| 14:48:18 | joeysoap | i downloaded the latest daily version |
| 14:50:31 | joeysoap | its pretty wierd from normal iriver firmware to rock box is different |
| 14:50:46 | joeysoap | is there a special way to install plugins |
| 14:50:49 | aliask | Yes, the dailies have a problem at the moment, and aren't including the plugins, so just grab a CVS one, and that should have them in there |
| 14:50:55 | joeysoap | how do you install plugins |
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| 14:51:05 | aliask | Copy them to the folder .rockbox/rocks |
| 14:51:38 | linuxstb | aliask: Isn't that fixed yet? I thought I read a forum message from LinusN saying he'd upgraded the gcc? |
| 14:51:55 | aliask | Oh, I just assumed that was the problem. I'm not sure... |
| 14:52:08 | linuxstb | I _think_ today's daily should be fine. |
| 14:52:12 | * | aliask should read the forum more |
| 14:52:12 | joeysoap | do i just extract it to the root file the new firmware that is |
| 14:52:33 | aliask | joeysoap: The rockbox.zip file? That should work. |
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| 14:54:38 | joeysoap | where do i download the new cvs ? file |
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| 14:54:56 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
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| 14:55:57 | joeysoap | sorry im being stupid hehehhe |
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| 15:20:08 | aliask | Uh, iPods can beep? |
| 15:20:33 | hcs | yeah |
| 15:20:39 | hcs | there' |
| 15:20:44 | hcs | s an alarm clock function |
| 15:20:52 | hcs | (at least on my photo) |
| 15:22:06 | aliask | Ok, I boot into retail OS, and connect to USB, and it beeps twice quickly, then pauses, twice quickly again, pauses, and then twice quickly again - and doesn't mount on my computer. |
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| 15:22:50 | hcs | never heard of that, what model? |
| 15:23:07 | aliask | Mini 1g |
| 15:23:15 | aliask | LCD is cracked, so that's no use. |
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| 15:23:42 | aliask | Ok, it just mounted, after being connected for about 2 minutes. Battery related? |
| 15:24:08 | hcs | sounds right, but I've never had a mini so its just a guess |
| 15:24:30 | aliask | Heh, this thing's been a real bastard to me, confused the crap out of me so many times. |
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| 15:38:53 | Rambo3 | is there any hope for zen V to get something on it to play other formats ? |
| 15:39:30 | aliask | It depends if someone who has enough time and knowledge decides to work on it |
| 15:41:36 | markun | Rambo3: better ask in a Zen V forum if anyone is interested to do it |
| 15:44:04 | godzirra | Soooo |
| 15:44:07 | godzirra | Slasheri: aer you there yet? :) |
| 15:44:10 | Rambo3 | "better ask in a Zen V forum if anyone is interested to do it" i aint going to ask nonone to do that, if there is something then ok |
| 15:44:11 | godzirra | I need some help with TagCache. |
| 15:45:53 | linuxstb | Rambo3: Rockbox gets ported to new players by users of those players... If no such users want to do it, then there is no hope of a port. |
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| 15:48:22 | tucoz | Anyone know of some tool that can (semi)-automatically download album art to the directories in my collection? |
| 15:49:36 | Kohlrabi | which OS? |
| 15:49:36 | mirak | I get this error. apiexample.c:(.text+0xdb): undefined reference to `_avcodec_find_decoder' . Why a underscore is happended at the begining of the function name ? |
| 15:50:06 | tucoz | Kohlrabi, linux |
| 15:50:11 | tucoz | (preferably) |
| 15:50:15 | Kohlrabi | hmm, OK, I don't know :) |
| 15:50:29 | tucoz | Do you know of something good for windows? |
| 15:50:34 | Kohlrabi | I have an app for windows |
| 15:50:35 | Kohlrabi | AlbumArtAggregator |
| 15:50:45 | Genre9mp3 | tucoz: http://team.thenexusnet.com/nexus/AAA/ (but it's for Windows) |
| 15:51:00 | Genre9mp3 | Kohlrabi was faster |
| 15:51:05 | Kohlrabi | *g* |
| 15:51:12 | Kohlrabi | Funny we've got the same one ;) |
| 15:51:19 | tucoz | aha. looks great. thanks to both of you |
| 15:51:50 | linuxstb | I've used this with some success (it's cross-platform): http://kempele.fi/~skyostil/projects/albumart/ |
| 15:52:31 | tucoz | linuxstb, yes. google found that for me as well. i can try that as a start |
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| 15:53:49 | webguest20 | Hello. Any font experts here? Why are nimbus-12 and nimbus-14 named like that? Nimbus has other shape IMHO. What nimbus are should be called chicago. And chicago is quite incomplete in RB. |
| 15:54:57 | webguest20 | And there is also xtal-14 which is identical with nimbus/chicago. But has less glyphs. Could it be cleaned (i.e. duplicated fonts deleted)? |
| 15:56:24 | tucoz | webguest20, you should ask markun when he is around. |
| 15:57:55 | tucoz | but you are right. the fonts should be cleaned up. Chicago should be removed/improved imo |
| 15:58:16 | webguest20 | markun: Hey! Are you around? And if not −− when? |
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| 16:00:31 | bluebrother | tucoz, after using albumart for a while I also started using the cover manager of amarok together with the covercopy script |
| 16:01:08 | tucoz | bluebrother, I used amarok some time ago. So there is a covercopy script for that? |
| 16:01:37 | Slasheri | godzirra: yes |
| 16:02:00 | tucoz | I liked the amarok way of finding albumart, so maybe i should give that a go as well. :) |
| 16:04:06 | bluebrother | tucoz, use the script manager. It's pretty easy to find. Then run the ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/scripts/copycover/copycover-offline.py -c folder.jpg to put a folder.jpg in each folder if you want to ... |
| 16:04:27 | bluebrother | that offline script is a bit clumsy to use, but maybe I just haven't found out how to do better ;-) |
| 16:04:33 | tucoz | thanks |
| 16:04:42 | tucoz | I'll try that |
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| 16:12:48 | godzirra | Slasheri: I was told you're the master of TagCache |
| 16:13:08 | godzirra | I ran "initialize now" on an H-120 with the newest build (latest, yesterday) and the HD led flashed red ofr about 3 seconds then stopped |
| 16:13:16 | godzirra | now when I try and view by id3 info, it says tag cache isnt ready. |
| 16:13:26 | godzirra | I tride rebooting, and I tried re-running initialize now, but got the same results. |
| 16:13:57 | Slasheri | godzirra: check if there are any .tcd files in /.rockbox/ |
| 16:14:07 | Slasheri | and if there are, delete all of them |
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| 16:14:30 | godzirra | k. |
| 16:14:40 | godzirra | then what? |
| 16:14:49 | Slasheri | reboot and try to initialize again |
| 16:14:51 | godzirra | k |
| 16:14:57 | godzirra | do I need to turn off the autoupdate? |
| 16:15:08 | Slasheri | you may try that also |
| 16:15:11 | tucoz | bluebrother, wow. amarok sure feels better than the last time i used it |
| 16:15:37 | godzirra | tagcache_tmp.tcd is all |
| 16:15:39 | godzirra | i'm deleting it now. |
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| 16:15:46 | Slasheri | good |
| 16:16:08 | Slasheri | in fact that will prevent tag cache from initializing if that file is present |
| 16:16:40 | godzirra | Ok.. rebooting now. |
| 16:17:17 | godzirra | ok, running initialize now. |
| 16:17:24 | godzirra | and yay.. the hard drive led is still red. |
| 16:17:47 | Slasheri | sounds better :) |
| 16:17:54 | godzirra | Thanks :) |
| 16:17:57 | godzirra | we'll see if this works |
| 16:17:58 | Slasheri | now wait until it turns off and then reboot |
| 16:18:00 | godzirra | about how long should it take to run? |
| 16:18:03 | godzirra | ok. |
| 16:18:09 | Slasheri | you can check the debug menu |
| 16:18:19 | Slasheri | about 5 minutes or something like that (if dircache is enabled) |
| 16:18:28 | godzirra | there's a debug menu? |
| 16:18:33 | godzirra | ok |
| 16:18:33 | Slasheri | sure :) |
| 16:18:34 | godzirra | It is. |
| 16:18:47 | Slasheri | Info - Debug - View tagcache info or something like that |
| 16:19:23 | godzirra | yay. |
| 16:19:24 | godzirra | done. |
| 16:19:52 | tucoz | Slasheri, what do you think about renaming TagCache to Tag Database or something like that? |
| 16:20:20 | Slasheri | tucoz: probably _something_ like that.. :) |
| 16:20:34 | godzirra | damnit |
| 16:20:37 | godzirra | after finishing |
| 16:20:38 | tucoz | and the File view entry to "Tag Database" instead of Id3 tags |
| 16:20:41 | godzirra | it still says tagcache not ready. :/ |
| 16:20:48 | Slasheri | i just don't like the tag database name because it would refer to the old tagdb |
| 16:21:06 | Slasheri | godzirra: did it say anything after you rebooted? |
| 16:21:14 | godzirra | scanning directories or someting like that |
| 16:21:25 | Slasheri | ok, so nothing about tagcache |
| 16:21:34 | Slasheri | then i will send you a logf enabled build |
| 16:21:56 | godzirra | let me double check |
| 16:22:19 | godzirra | Commiting Tagcache [1/13] |
| 16:22:30 | Slasheri | just put the build on your player, remove .tcd files and try initialization. After initialization is done, do not reboot but go straight to the debug menu and use the function "logfdump" |
| 16:22:36 | godzirra | ok |
| 16:22:43 | Slasheri | then you can investigate the /.rockbox/logf.txt file |
| 16:22:48 | godzirra | can you email it? would probably work better than dcc. |
| 16:23:02 | Slasheri | lets try dcc first if it works |
| 16:23:12 | godzirra | sure. |
| 16:23:30 | Slasheri | ok, works fine |
| 16:23:32 | godzirra | hey its actually working |
| 16:23:35 | Slasheri | :) |
| 16:23:41 | godzirra | dcc and I usually dont get along ;) |
| 16:24:11 | Slasheri | but if it says "committing tagcache" then you need to use the logfdump also after reboot and investigate the results |
| 16:24:18 | Slasheri | back soon, now going to eat something -> |
| 16:24:26 | godzirra | k |
| 16:24:40 | godzirra | so install new version, reboot |
| 16:24:45 | godzirra | remove tcd files, try initialization |
| 16:24:50 | godzirra | then go to debug menu and logfdump |
| 16:27:30 | amiconn | theli_ua: (re this morning) (1) 16 bit ints will make the multiplication solution even worse for arm, and slightly better for SH |
| 16:27:47 | theli_ua | amiconn, thanks |
| 16:27:53 | amiconn | (2) If x is a bool variable, 'true' isn't 1 |
| 16:28:02 | amiconn | Instead, it's implementation dependent |
| 16:29:04 | amiconn | I would just go for if (x) y += z; |
| 16:30:15 | theli_ua | thanks |
| 16:34:36 | tucoz | bluebrother, thanks for the tip. amarok works great |
| 16:34:52 | bluebrother | :) |
| 16:35:05 | linuxstb | tucoz: Are you trying the album-art patch? |
| 16:35:20 | tucoz | no. I have only got a h120 |
| 16:35:32 | tucoz | just prettyfying my collection |
| 16:35:34 | bluebrother | maybe someone will write a script that generates the tagcache files. |
| 16:35:48 | linuxstb | There already is one - tools/songdb.pl |
| 16:36:23 | bluebrother | linuxstb, I thought of a script for amarok doing this on every database update for some folder. |
| 16:37:01 | bluebrother | so you could have a complete copy of your music locally including the tagcache database files and simply sync that to the dap ... |
| 16:37:31 | tucoz | what language are the amarok scripts in? python? |
| 16:37:55 | bluebrother | afaik most, but not necessarily. Haven't checked though. |
| 16:40:35 | bluebrother | hmm. They suggest ruby for scripting but state "almost any" language is possible due to the use of dcop |
| 16:40:56 | tucoz | oh. but isn't ruby a quite nice language? |
| 16:41:18 | tucoz | i have never used it though |
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| 16:50:57 | godzirra | Slasheri: ok, if I go to tagcache info, it says Initialized: Yes, DB Ready: No, RAM Cache: No, RAM: 0/0 B, Progress: -1% (5649 entries), Commit step: 0, COmmit delayed: No. |
| 16:51:00 | godzirra | I'm trying to log it now. |
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| 16:53:39 | godzirra | Slasheri: http://sial.org/pbot/20055 |
| 16:53:52 | godzirra | after the paste there's just a long list of files with part of their path/name cut off at the end |
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| 16:59:42 | theli_ua | good weekend for everyone ... byt |
| 16:59:45 | theli_ua | *bye |
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| 17:02:06 | Slasheri | godzirra: ah |
| 17:02:16 | Slasheri | godzirra: it seems like there is a _very_ long tag in some filename |
| 17:02:30 | Slasheri | over 256 characters and that is causing tagcache to fail |
| 17:02:37 | linuxstb | Couldn't you just truncate it? |
| 17:03:10 | Slasheri | yep, it should be possible |
| 17:03:31 | Slasheri | i will try to create a fix for that soon |
| 17:03:41 | linuxstb | Maybe get_metadata() should deal with it? |
| 17:03:55 | godzirra | Slasheri: awesome. in the meantime tag cache just istn going to wrok for me? :) |
| 17:03:58 | Slasheri | that would be the ideal solution |
| 17:04:09 | godzirra | boy, thats some good typing. |
| 17:04:12 | Slasheri | but i could fix it on tagcache level also.. just truncating the result |
| 17:04:34 | Slasheri | godzirra: yep, but probably i will fix that today |
| 17:06:00 | linuxstb | godzirra: Out of curiousity, what kinds of files do you have, and do you know what kind(s) of tags? |
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| 17:09:32 | godzirra | Slasheri: all mp3s. |
| 17:09:42 | godzirra | and just normal id3 tags afaik. |
| 17:09:57 | godzirra | adn there's no way to figure out -which- file is doing it? |
| 17:11:50 | Slasheri | well, i can compile you a new build if you would like |
| 17:11:59 | Slasheri | then you need to repeat the steps to find the file |
| 17:14:04 | godzirra | Slasheri: Sure! |
| 17:14:14 | godzirra | Slasheri: thanks tons for all the help |
| 17:14:21 | godzirra | Actually if you're busy I can wait until you fix it later today |
| 17:14:23 | godzirra | its no big deaql :) |
| 17:14:24 | godzirra | deal |
| 17:15:19 | Slasheri | or in fact that detection would be easier to do at metadata.c level.. |
| 17:15:22 | Slasheri | linuxstb: interested? ;) |
| 17:16:41 | godzirra | just let me know what I can do to help :) |
| 17:17:36 | linuxstb | I'll be interested to see a copy of the troublesome file. |
| 17:17:52 | godzirra | If I can figure out which file it is I'd be happy to :) |
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| 17:19:11 | darksk1ez | anyone have an 80gb ipod ? I just want to make it fat32 formatted |
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| 17:20:46 | darksk1ez | so i just need the boot block |
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| 17:25:57 | Slasheri | godzirra: a fix is ready soon |
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| 17:30:59 | godzirra | Slasheri: awesome. |
| 17:31:07 | godzirra | I -love- the new directory cache. I cant wait to use tag cache. |
| 17:32:24 | Slasheri | ok, a new build is ready for you :) |
| 17:32:36 | MHen | Hi! Is there a developer around, who could take a look at my patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6052 and possibly commit it? |
| 17:32:44 | Slasheri | i will dcc again, please try if it works. (might not work at all). You should only find the wrong file with the build |
| 17:33:05 | godzirra | Slasheri: woohoo. :) |
| 17:33:13 | godzirra | go throgu the same process? |
| 17:33:19 | godzirra | logfdump etc? |
| 17:33:28 | Slasheri | yep, but now run the logfdump before rebooting |
| 17:33:33 | Slasheri | and analyze it immediately |
| 17:33:36 | godzirra | Right. |
| 17:33:47 | godzirra | uh thats what I did last time |
| 17:35:17 | Slasheri | then just do it again :) |
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| 17:39:12 | godzirra | ok, initializing now. |
| 17:39:23 | webguest08 | hi |
| 17:40:04 | webguest08 | what cani do to help for a sansa port of rockbox ? |
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| 17:44:05 | godzirra | Slasheri: yeah, initialize now made my HD led flash a bit, but then froze :) |
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| 17:46:21 | Slasheri | godzirra: oh, it froze completely? |
| 17:46:29 | Slasheri | did you have remote lcd attached |
| 17:47:10 | godzirra | nope |
| 17:47:17 | godzirra | Actually I'm not sure where my remote lcd is to be honest :) |
| 17:47:23 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 17:47:23 | godzirra | I just reset it |
| 17:47:28 | godzirra | there's no .tcd file in .rockbox |
| 17:48:50 | Slasheri | how long did you wait when it froze? |
| 17:48:58 | godzirra | try again? Wait for a new fix? Whats the plan ;) |
| 17:49:12 | Slasheri | try again with remote if you could find that :D |
| 17:50:29 | godzirra | i'm not at home, and I seriously dont know if I even have it anymore to be honest. |
| 17:50:43 | godzirra | i've moved like 4 times since I got my ihp-120 ;) |
| 17:50:52 | Slasheri | :D |
| 17:50:54 | lamed | hello guys |
| 17:52:12 | godzirra | Slasheri: any other ideas? =) |
| 17:52:53 | Slasheri | not at the moment.. unless you could find the file |
| 17:53:05 | Slasheri | start again and go immediately to the debug menu logf section |
| 17:53:09 | Slasheri | then wait until it crashes |
| 17:53:21 | Slasheri | it might help to find what file causes it, just remember the output is not realtime |
| 17:53:30 | lamed | is there some ipod expert around? I've been wondering if someone thinks we ever going to break into the recording mechanizem of the player, iiuc, the recording pins just like the line out pins are on the dock connector. I'd love information about it as a reference if should I buy an ipod. |
| 17:53:45 | lamed | (I can find them amazingly cheap on ebay btw) |
| 17:54:22 | godzirra | ok |
| 17:54:53 | linuxstb | lamed: I've recorded on my ipods - yes, the line-in are just a couple of pins on the dock connector, similar to the lineout. |
| 17:55:04 | godzirra | i'm watching it scroll now. |
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| 17:57:25 | godzirra | frezes on one of my Crow sound track songs :/ |
| 17:57:52 | godzirra | nor poairicw qhixh onw... vur irQa onw od rhw 0 aonfa. |
| 17:58:15 | godzirra | The longest of which is named 02 - Golgotha Tenement Blues.mp3 |
| 17:58:19 | godzirra | err |
| 17:58:29 | godzirra | sorry, the non sensical line was as follows: |
| 17:58:38 | lamed | linuxstb: those are great news! when did it happend? have you recorded from the apple's fw or from the RB firmware? (cause I don't believe there's any recording code on RB for them right now.) what quality? is 96kbps is the maximum? |
| 17:58:51 | godzirra | not sure which one... but looks like its one of the 0* songs. i.e. 01-09 |
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| 18:00:47 | * | lamed is in an adrenalin rush, linuxstb, please answer quick :) |
| 18:01:45 | linuxstb | lamed: I implemented recording in Rockbox, but my patch soon became out of date with all the changes to the recording code recently. |
| 18:02:06 | linuxstb | I just recorded 16-bit/44.1KHz stereo WAV files, but from what I can see, the hardware should support up to 24-bit/96KHz. |
| 18:02:45 | linuxstb | This was on both a 4g (Photo) and a 5g. |
| 18:03:01 | linuxstb | afaik, the mini and Nano can't record. |
| 18:03:11 | linuxstb | (but the new 2nd gen Nano can) |
| 18:03:33 | lamed | 5g=video? |
| 18:03:38 | linuxstb | yes. |
| 18:05:30 | godzirra | Slasheri: so wait for you to write something else later today? :) |
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| 18:05:50 | lamed | ahh! I just don't know what to say... I think this would be a _huge_ boost for ipoders to switch to RB, not that this is a goal, but I found some 60gigs ipod video brand new players for 69+21 GBP on ebay and that is no competition for other company's prices, and i'm totally loosing it ever since my h120 h.d dies |
| 18:06:21 | linuxstb | That's extremely cheap. |
| 18:06:23 | webGary | oo |
| 18:06:28 | webGary | yea that cheap |
| 18:06:39 | webGary | i have a question |
| 18:06:53 | webGary | for the ipod video rock box |
| 18:07:00 | lamed | yeah!! and I sure as hell can give up on FM radio of that price ... |
| 18:07:35 | webGary | can any one help |
| 18:08:14 | lamed | linuxstb: is there any wikidocs about pin layouts of the ipod? the sale says |
| 18:08:18 | lamed | "Dock adapter for use with Universal Dock" |
| 18:08:32 | hcs | is it possible that the cpu frequency scaling issue is caused by something interrupting set_cpu_frequency? |
| 18:08:43 | webGary | hello |
| 18:08:48 | linuxstb | lamed: http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector |
| 18:08:53 | lamed | what part is that? can I open it up and add line in/out cables for recording? |
| 18:08:59 | linuxstb | lamed: You may also be interested in http://ipodlinux.org/Recording |
| 18:09:18 | Slasheri | godzirra: if you can, try to find excactly the track it freezes on and try removing it from player. And finally send it to me |
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| 18:09:45 | lamed | iirc, ipodlinux claims 5g(videos) recording is impossible as they changed something in the hardware. |
| 18:09:52 | linuxstb | I think they probably just mean the piece of plastic that allows a 5g to fit in a normal dock - they are physically different sizes. You get a similar piece of plastic with the Nano. |
| 18:10:20 | godzirra | Slasheri: I'll move them into the root directory |
| 18:10:23 | godzirra | so it doesnt get cut off. |
| 18:10:37 | lamed | ho, yeah. "Recording on the Nano and the Fifth Generation iPods is also not currently supported." |
| 18:10:40 | linuxstb | lamed: I'm sure they just mean that recording is currently impossible because it's not implemented. |
| 18:10:48 | lamed | hehe |
| 18:11:07 | webGary | hey lamed can u halp me |
| 18:11:24 | lamed | webgary just ask! |
| 18:11:49 | godzirra | Slasheri: uhh, it didnt freeze on the crow this time. |
| 18:11:56 | webGary | i wanna knoe how do get vidoe playing on my ipod video rock box |
| 18:12:09 | webGary | is there a plug in |
| 18:12:17 | lamed | linuxstb: what's "Dock adapter for use with Universal Dock" and can I open it up for all of those nececcery connections to the ipod, or should I buy a new dock connection part, which I have already found somewhere |
| 18:12:18 | webGary | or codec |
| 18:12:56 | linuxstb | webGary: Yes, there's a work-in-progress video player for Rockbox, but it's not designed for the 5g - it doesn't use the video decoder chip. It works on the 5g, but only decodes using the main CPU, so will never be as good as the Apple firmware. |
| 18:13:17 | webGary | oooo |
| 18:13:45 | webGary | when do u think there be a rockbov ver that supports video play back useing the gcpu |
| 18:13:59 | linuxstb | lamed: Read my earlier reply - I think it's just a plastic holder. |
| 18:14:31 | linuxstb | webGary: Impossible to say - no-one is working on it. It's also very hard - there is no documentation for the video processor. |
| 18:14:35 | lamed | whoops, thanks. |
| 18:14:44 | webGary | ooo |
| 18:15:14 | lamed | webgary: I would go with "probably, a long time" |
| 18:15:47 | webGary | thanx and is there a plugin that lets me us the belkin fm dock i have |
| 18:15:53 | linuxstb | The video processor (a Broadcom chip) runs its own firmware, and the main Apple firmware just passes the data to it for it to decode and display. The best you can hope for in Rockbox is for someone to work out how that communication works and to play videos using the original Broadcom firmware. But that would just give you video playback with identical functionality to the Apple firmware. |
| 18:16:33 | linuxstb | lamed: Yes, you'll need to buy a dock connector and make your own line-in cable. |
| 18:16:59 | webGary | so if some one geting it working ill still let me us the vidoe out |
| 18:18:20 | linuxstb | We'll know when/if someone does it. |
| 18:18:32 | darksk1ez | sigh, usb under parallels or qemu doesnt work well enough to fat32 format my ipod :( |
| 18:18:55 | linuxstb | darksk1ez: You don't know anyone with a Windows PC? |
| 18:19:02 | darksk1ez | nup |
| 18:19:37 | lamed | linuxstb: is video out pins are video processor dependent, in another words, do you get video signal all the time, or just when showing clips using ipod's fw? |
| 18:19:53 | webGary | linuxstb is this a patch or plugin that lets me us the belikin fm dock i have on the rock box |
| 18:20:00 | linuxstb | webGary: No |
| 18:20:07 | webGary | or its inpsable |
| 18:20:29 | barrywardell | hcs: I was wondering the same thing. Is it possible for two threads to call set_cpu_frequency at the same time and they interfere with each other? |
| 18:20:31 | linuxstb | lamed: The video-out is independent of the LCD - the Apple firmware doesn't display the UI via the video-out, just videos and photos. |
| 18:21:05 | linuxstb | barrywardell: We don't have pre-emptive multitasking, so that shouldn't happen. |
| 18:21:27 | hcs | linuxstb: but might some other interrupt handler get involved? |
| 18:21:44 | webGary | linuxstb is there a way to make a plug in that could communicat with the belkin fm dock |
| 18:22:05 | lamed | linuxstb: does that means it is video processor dependent, that is, not working at all corrently with RB? |
| 18:22:30 | lamed | (we all love linuxstb this day) |
| 18:22:37 | webGary | yea |
| 18:23:13 | hcs | linuxstb: the code indicates that the timer must be reenabled on PP5020s, if we hit an interrupt inside the frequency setting function before we get there might it take too long and something be missed? |
| 18:23:23 | lamed | webgary: do you own the belkin fm dock? |
| 18:23:28 | webGary | yea |
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| 18:23:50 | webGary | its the one that gos in the car |
| 18:24:00 | webGary | to play over the car stero |
| 18:25:03 | webGary | lamed currently i using it in my house to charge my ipod |
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| 18:27:50 | webGary | hey is anyone there or my connection froze |
| 18:27:52 | lamed | ah. I see there's some info about the apple accessory protocol on http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol , but that really doesn't mean it will be working any time soon on RB, i'd get myself a nice non-ipod-dependent fm transmitter. |
| 18:28:11 | lamed | (if I were you) |
| 18:28:18 | webGary | yea |
| 18:28:42 | webGary | i installed line in on my car stero |
| 18:28:52 | webGary | so i just using it to charge |
| 18:29:27 | webGary | but it would be nice to constrol the fm part of the dock |
| 18:31:05 | linuxstb | hcs: I wrote those comments about the timer needing to be reenabled. If I'm remembering correctly, I did try disabling interrupts before changing the cpu frequency, but that didn't help. But feel free to experiment - that's the only way we're going to understand it. |
| 18:31:19 | lamed | is it still operatable without controliing it? |
| 18:31:42 | hcs | linuxstb: indeed, I shall, just got to get physically back to this computer to plug the ol' iPod in |
| 18:31:43 | linuxstb | lamed: Yes, the video-out doesn't work at all with Rockbox - on either the Photo/Color ipod or the 5g (video). |
| 18:32:39 | linuxstb | hcs: It could be related to the FIQ (fast interrupt) in some way. On the ipods (and H10) we use that to feed the audio DAC. |
| 18:33:22 | webGary | guys i gtg my boss is coming around |
| 18:33:30 | webGary | i be on lata |
| 18:33:33 | * | linuxstb phones webGary's boss |
| 18:33:40 | webGary | yea im at work |
| 18:33:47 | linuxstb | Aren't we all? |
| 18:34:13 | webGary | my boss says im doing a great job |
| 18:34:19 | webGary | hahhahahhahah |
| 18:34:27 | barrywardell | linuxstb, hcs: the freezes do seem to happen when i start playing audio so the FIQ is a promising possibility |
| 18:34:28 | linuxstb | If he thinks you are, then you are. |
| 18:34:36 | webGary | ahhahahhahahaha |
| 18:34:38 | godzirra | Slasheri: It seems to die at a random point everytime. |
| 18:34:45 | webGary | he thinks im working |
| 18:35:19 | lamed | linuxstb: you're such a huge help today! thank you! is your recording patch on FS? I wouldn't expect it to be a huge work to be made to fit with the new recording code (and the recording codecs, sweet), and can I start spreading the word that hi fi recordings would be possible soon with the ipod and a simple dock hack? |
| 18:35:56 | webGary | thanx lamed and linuxstb for the help |
| 18:36:05 | lamed | :) |
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| 18:38:13 | linuxstb | lamed: No, it's not on flyspray yet - I didn't want to post a non-working patch. But if anyone wants the code, I'll be happy to make a patch against the CVS at the time I was implementing it. |
| 18:38:56 | lamed | are you on it? |
| 18:39:28 | linuxstb | How do you mean/ |
| 18:39:29 | linuxstb | ? |
| 18:41:21 | lamed | sorry, are you working on it? obviously I can't do anything with the code as I don't have a player, but I'm sure there will be lots of interest and someone will want to implement it,. |
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| 18:42:10 | lamed | did you got yourself a dock connector and fit a line in/out on it for testing as well? |
| 18:42:14 | linuxstb | Well, I want to finish it, but am very busy with real-work at the moment. |
| 18:42:27 | linuxstb | Someone made an adapter for me. |
| 18:43:14 | lamed | so do I :( my player dies ~two weeks ago and I still haven't bought something else (or a h.d. to fixit) |
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| 18:45:25 | lamed | linuxstb: I still think someone would want to work on it. do you mind if I post on some places (such as http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4773) that you have been successfull with recording? |
| 18:46:42 | linuxstb | Sure, I've mentioned it here in IRC a few times when people have asked. |
| 18:47:09 | lamed | do you always get lineout signal on the dock, or you have to somehow switch it on? (i believe the first part is true) |
| 18:48:15 | barrywardell | linuxstb: why not post a patch and say what date cvs it is against? if someone wants to work on it, then can check out the cvs from that date and maybe update the patch |
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| 18:54:13 | linuxstb_ | lamed: It's always enabled. |
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| 18:54:52 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: I've now become interested in getting it working again, so may try and do it tonight or over the weekend. But if not, I'll post my old patch with a note saying what CVS it applies to. |
| 18:55:07 | barrywardell | great |
| 18:55:12 | barrywardell | i'll look out for it |
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| 18:56:04 | lamed | linuxstb: I can't thank you enough, just about the last couple of questions, is the ipod bootloader a dual-boot? (for the video capabilities) umm. I guess I had a few other questions like 'I don't suppose there's an FM chip inside (because there's an FM gadget that let's you listen to radio)' and 'do you know where should I be getting the dock connector for the 5g' but you said someone made a plug for you. so |
| 18:57:09 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the bootloader is dual-boot. Or you can use the IPL bootloader which has a GUI boot-menu. No, there's no FM chip inside. |
| 18:57:21 | linuxstb_ | (the FM gadgets just have an external FM tuner) |
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| 18:57:43 | lamed | (obvious) |
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| 18:58:08 | lamed | do you think the line-in can amlify? |
| 18:59:45 | lamed | linuxstb_ |
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| 19:00:21 | linuxstb_ | You can adjust the gain, but it's a line-in, not a mic-in... |
| 19:01:04 | lamed | yeap, anyways it's time to get myself a good microphone anyways 8) |
| 19:01:38 | lamed | woha! that's just about it, I think I should be getting myself an Ipod! |
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| 19:09:32 | hcs | linuxstb_: I've seen actual crash messages with the freeze, and the address was in set_cpu_frequency, but more often it just freezes |
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| 19:12:18 | hcs | linuxstb: I took out the CPU_INT_EN |= TIMER1_MASK line and it seems to be running OK |
| 19:13:02 | hcs | should I expect it to fail immediately or was that to stave off the same sort of crashes we see normally? |
| 19:16:22 | godzirra | Damn slasheri takes long lunches ;) |
| 19:16:45 | Slasheri | godzirra: hehe, i am back now :) |
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| 19:17:11 | Slasheri | godzirra: if possible, try to remove all music from the player |
| 19:17:20 | Slasheri | and then put it back in steps until it crashes |
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| 19:18:25 | hcs | linuxstb: oh, here it goes, had to do a complete rebuild |
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| 19:21:46 | godzirra | Slasheri: all good :) |
| 19:21:48 | godzirra | bleh... |
| 19:21:51 | godzirra | I was afraid you were going to say that. |
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| 19:22:50 | godzirra | i'm trying it now. |
| 19:22:57 | Slasheri | nice |
| 19:23:32 | godzirra | I need a bigger hard drive. :/ |
| 19:23:38 | godzirra | anyone have an old 30g or 40g for sale? |
| 19:23:49 | godzirra | $120 bucks is too much for me to upgrade to a 40gig. :/ |
| 19:23:55 | linuxstb_ | hcs: Without re-enabling the interrupt, Rockbox would freeze at the next sleep() commend. |
| 19:24:04 | linuxstb_ | (no ticker interrupt means nothing wakes up) |
| 19:24:34 | hcs | linuxstb_: I'm thinking that it didn't get rebuilt properly |
| 19:24:44 | hcs | also, why is the OR used? |
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| 19:25:34 | linuxstb_ | IIRC, it wouldn't work without it. It's also the logical thing to do - setting the single TIMER1_MASK bit. |
| 19:25:50 | Davide-NYC | question: I am not a dev (yet) but I want to help in the WMA and/or AAC decoder optimization effort any way that I can. It was suggested to me in the forums that I generate a build with "profiling" enabled. |
| 19:26:02 | hcs | isn't there a register for setting the mask and another register for clearing it? |
| 19:26:27 | Davide-NYC | I have poked around with /tools/configure but I can't get it to compile. |
| 19:26:55 | Davide-NYC | is this a gcc problem with cygwin or am I missing something (I know I'm missing a lot, but...) |
| 19:27:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well seeing as you haven't told us any errors you're getting it's quite hard to say |
| 19:27:39 | Davide-NYC | right. That was last night., |
| 19:27:49 | Davide-NYC | let me run a build and tell ya! (gimme a sec) |
| 19:29:19 | Davide-NYC | can I select (p)rofiling and (s)imulator at the same time? |
| 19:31:15 | Davide-NYC | if you guys type me through this step by step I will "flesh out" this wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SourceProfiling |
| 19:31:32 | Davide-NYC | as it is now I can;t make heads or tails of it |
| 19:32:06 | Davide-NYC | OK here's the error: AR /home/Administrator/rockbox-devel/build.profiling/libfaad.a |
| 19:32:08 | Davide-NYC | LD aac.elf |
| 19:32:09 | Davide-NYC | /opt/m68k/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/3.4.5/../../../../m68k-elf/bin/ld: region PLUGIN_IRAM |
| 19:32:11 | Davide-NYC | is full (/home/Administrator/rockbox-devel/build.profiling/apps/codecs/aac.elf |
| 19:32:12 | Davide-NYC | section .ibss) |
| 19:32:14 | Davide-NYC | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 19:32:15 | Davide-NYC | make[2]: *** [/home/Administrator/rockbox-devel/build.profiling/apps/codecs/aac. |
| 19:32:17 | Davide-NYC | elf] Error 1 |
| 19:32:18 | Davide-NYC | make[1]: *** [build-codecs] Error 2 |
| 19:32:20 | Davide-NYC | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 19:33:22 | hcs | linuxstb_: are all addresses 0x24 greater than what' |
| 19:33:26 | hcs | s listed here: http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 |
| 19:34:38 | hcs | er, never mind, reado |
| 19:37:33 | godzirra | Slasheri: working on narrowing it down still. |
| 19:37:47 | Slasheri | godzirra: great :) |
| 19:37:47 | godzirra | Slasheri: I'll post a note when I get it working |
| 19:37:53 | godzirra | i'm configuring a server too so I'm afk off and on |
| 19:38:08 | godzirra | ok tagcache worked. |
| 19:38:20 | godzirra | when I took out S-Z |
| 19:38:23 | godzirra | hmmmm |
| 19:38:30 | godzirra | Slasheri: does tagcache handle m3u's? |
| 19:38:43 | Slasheri | it should ignore them |
| 19:39:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Davide-NYC: Apparently the profiling code is making the AAC codec larger than the amount of memory allocated for it. |
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| 19:41:54 | Davide-NYC | Paul_The_Nerd: can I enable profiling and sim at the same time? |
| 19:42:04 | Davide-NYC | does that make any sense? |
| 19:42:16 | Davide-NYC | an X86 is not a coldfire right? |
| 19:42:34 | Davide-NYC | or is it CPU type independant? |
| 19:43:14 | linuxstb_ | There's little point profiling a sim build |
| 19:44:05 | Davide-NYC | that's what I suspected. |
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| 19:45:48 | Davide-NYC | linuxstb_: would upgrading gcc possibly help me? |
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| 19:50:01 | linuxstb_ | Maybe, but you've almost got the recommended version (3.4.6). |
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| 19:50:21 | linuxstb_ | I know lear was looking at profiling AAC, but I don't know if he succeeded. |
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| 19:58:44 | Davide-NYC | urghh, which one do I need? ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcc/gcc-3.4.6 |
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| 20:05:56 | godzirra | down to 6 folders. |
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| 20:16:19 | Strogg | Hey folks.. how goes? |
| 20:16:53 | Strogg | I was wondering.. is there a central location to find rockbox plugins? |
| 20:17:06 | Davide-NYC | are they optional? |
| 20:17:18 | Davide-NYC | I thought they were part of the standard install |
| 20:17:44 | Strogg | I don't know.. are they? |
| 20:18:01 | Davide-NYC | compiling gcc 2.4.6 |
| 20:18:06 | Davide-NYC | taking forever |
| 20:18:09 | Strogg | it'd be cool if you could "plug in" more "plugins". hehe |
| 20:18:23 | obo | Wiki spam :( |
| 20:18:31 | Davide-NYC | where? |
| 20:19:02 | obo | Users called DavidRoche and PrilosecBuy |
| 20:19:04 | * | Strogg craves a Go plugin |
| 20:19:17 | Davide-NYC | lol |
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| 20:21:47 | obo | but they don't seem to be listed in TWikiUsersGroup |
| 20:22:08 | linuxstb_ | Strogg: The central location for plugins is the official Rockbox downloads. There are virtually no third-party plugins. |
| 20:23:03 | * | Strogg wonders if it's worth the trouble to port a Go gui+engine... |
| 20:24:13 | toad__ | that would be pretty cool |
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| 20:25:33 | Strogg | Anyone know what the doom plugin expects the wad file to be named? |
| 20:28:19 | linuxstb | It's in the manual and the PluginDoom wiki page |
| 20:28:30 | Rahab | i cant figure out how to install rockbox. |
| 20:28:31 | Strogg | Cool.. I'll dig it up |
| 20:28:32 | Rahab | damnit. lol |
| 20:29:50 | linuxstb | Rahab: What are you trying to install it on? |
| 20:30:00 | Rahab | ipod 5g |
| 20:30:05 | Rahab | w/ mac os |
| 20:30:24 | linuxstb | Is it a new 5g? |
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| 20:30:46 | Rahab | nah |
| 20:30:48 | Rahab | 60g |
| 20:31:11 | linuxstb | What part are you stuck on? The conversion to FAT32? |
| 20:31:46 | Rahab | pretty much. |
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| 20:31:50 | Rahab | im going to partition the thing |
| 20:31:52 | Rahab | if i can |
| 20:31:57 | Rahab | i dont want to lose my music |
| 20:32:36 | Strogg | the ipod mangles all your filenames though.. it's already "lost". hehe |
| 20:33:04 | Strogg | Rahab: what I did was "exported" my music to my computer to fix the names.. then uploaded it back to the ipod after I installed.. |
| 20:33:11 | Strogg | I think the tool was called Podutil |
| 20:33:31 | Strogg | it'll copy the files from the ipod, and rename them based on the id3 info |
| 20:33:50 | Rahab | really now? |
| 20:34:25 | linuxstb | If your ipod is HFS+ formatted, you'll have to copy the files off your ipod anyway to convert to FAT32. |
| 20:34:54 | Strogg | it pops up a "buy me" nag every 50 files, which is really really annoying.. but since you only have to do it once.. oh well. |
| 20:34:56 | Rahab | do they plan on making one that can use HFS? |
| 20:35:14 | Strogg | I have a ipod 30gig, by the way. |
| 20:35:26 | linuxstb | Who? |
| 20:35:26 | Rahab | i have IPL |
| 20:35:33 | Rahab | the rockbox programmers |
| 20:35:38 | linuxstb | No |
| 20:36:04 | Rahab | aww why not? |
| 20:36:17 | linuxstb | Because FAT32 works |
| 20:36:50 | linuxstb | And implementing HFS+ support will be a lot of work. |
| 20:37:26 | godzirra | Slasheri: down to two folders. |
| 20:37:33 | godzirra | its like the thunderdome of mp3 albums. |
| 20:38:07 | amiconn | Strogg: There are other tools for mass renaming + sorting which don't nag |
| 20:38:07 | godzirra | "If its not broke...." |
| 20:38:09 | Rahab | are there any other alt. firmwares for the iPod besides Rockbox and IPL |
| 20:38:16 | godzirra | Whats IPL? |
| 20:38:25 | linuxstb | Rahab: No. |
| 20:38:30 | linuxstb | godzirra: ipodlinux |
| 20:38:45 | godzirra | ahh. |
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| 20:40:51 | * | linuxstb wonders why the Coldfire recording DMA handler has a little-endian codepath... |
| 20:42:45 | godzirra | linuxstb: I offer wonder that. |
| 20:42:49 | godzirra | It sometimes keeps me up at night. |
| 20:43:05 | * | linuxstb suspects sarcasm |
| 20:43:10 | godzirra | =) |
| 20:43:13 | godzirra | linuxstb: smart man |
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| 20:43:35 | * | Strogg has played doom. It was good. |
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| 20:44:21 | _FireFly_ | it is currently normal that e crashes if i try to configure a module like battery |
| 20:44:47 | _FireFly_ | ups wrong channel |
| 20:44:53 | godzirra | lol |
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| 20:54:38 | karim | linuxstb hfs+ support is not terribly supported on linux. in fact there is no support for the journal |
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| 21:01:06 | hcs | linuxstb: I've got something that hasn't crashed yet, and I've been through Ummagumma twice |
| 21:01:28 | hcs | but I don't know if it even makes sense, I'm trying to force interrupts off and back on |
| 21:01:58 | linuxstb | Sounds promising though... |
| 21:02:25 | linuxstb | So how long has it been running? |
| 21:02:58 | hcs | intslo = inl(CPU_INT_STAT); |
| 21:02:58 | hcs | intshi = inl(CPU_HI_INT_STAT); |
| 21:02:58 | hcs | outl(-1,CPU_INT_CLR); |
| 21:02:58 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK hcs |
| 21:02:58 | hcs | outl(-1,CPU_HI_INT_CLR); |
| 21:02:58 | hcs | etc |
| 21:02:59 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 21:02:59 | hcs | outl(intslo,CPU_INT_EN); |
| 21:03:01 | hcs | outl(intshi,CPU_HI_INT_EN); |
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| 21:03:32 | karim | hum, I discovered what is party mode. Is it possible to have party mode queuing system without beeing restrained to pause stop skip ? |
| 21:03:43 | hcs | been running a bit over an hour now |
| 21:04:02 | Davide-NYC | anyone want to see if they can't help me get gcc 3.4.6 working in cygwin |
| 21:04:04 | Davide-NYC | ? |
| 21:04:34 | Davide-NYC | I just DLed the entire tar.gz, extracted, followed instruction for building it (using make) |
| 21:05:03 | linuxstb | hcs: Why are you using inl and outl? You can just do "CPU_INT_STAT = intslo;" |
| 21:05:21 | Davide-NYC | I now have a folder called objdir and gcc-3.4.6 in my home (cygwin) folder and a bunch of library dirs with files in them |
| 21:05:39 | MHen | d-nyc: did you have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
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| 21:06:25 | Davide-NYC | MHen: yes, but it says nothing of upgrading gcc |
| 21:06:36 | Davide-NYC | I have gcc 3.4.4 working |
| 21:06:50 | Davide-NYC | and (presumably) the lib files from gcc 3.4.6 |
| 21:07:00 | MHen | There are even precompiled libraries for Cygwin: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots |
| 21:07:11 | Davide-NYC | doh! |
| 21:07:56 | Davide-NYC | MHen: that'll give me 3.4.4 |
| 21:08:05 | Davide-NYC | (I think) |
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| 21:09:36 | Davide-NYC | yeah http://cygwin.com/packages/gcc/ |
| 21:09:41 | Davide-NYC | 3.4.4 |
| 21:09:56 | Buckethead | hi |
| 21:10:04 | MHen | That's all I can do for you. I never installed in on Cygwin and don't know anything about the toolchain and the install script expect from having it used once successfully (2 tries) on Linux. |
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| 21:11:46 | hcs | linuxstb: yeah, I realized that too late, fit in with the other stuff in the vicinity |
| 21:12:02 | hcs | anyway, still running |
| 21:12:09 | MHen | d-nyc: doesn't the install script download the appropriate gcc version? |
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| 21:13:34 | linuxstb | hcs: The outl/inl usage is just left from code copied from IPL - ideally we want to get rid of all usage of outl/inl. |
| 21:15:50 | godzirra | Slasheri: Ok, apparently two of my directories are having trouble. Trying to figure out specifically what songs aernt. |
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| 21:24:31 | godzirra | and apparently its not a specific song in those directories. |
| 21:24:33 | godzirra | or its more than one. |
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| 21:35:26 | * | MHen wishes his patch 6052 was committed, so he could continue programming |
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| 21:35:34 | Davide-NYC | haha I totally botced up my cygwin environment! |
| 21:35:46 | * | Davide-NYC stop futzing with stuff |
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| 21:39:08 | hcs | linuxstb: it's just a macro to get things cast right, anyway |
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| 21:39:42 | petur | MHen: nice FlySpray name you have ;) |
| 21:39:52 | linuxstb | hcs: Yes, but it just casts things to what they already are in your case. |
| 21:40:27 | hcs | linuxstb: true, want me to put the #ifdef around the interrupt en/disabling stuff and throw a patch up, since things seem to be working? at least so someone can shoot it down? |
| 21:40:48 | linuxstb | What #ifdef ? |
| 21:41:23 | * | petur walks off again to eat a bit |
| 21:41:45 | hcs | #if defined(IPOD_COLOR) || defined(IPOD_4G) || defined(IPOD_MINI) || defined(IRIVER_H10) || defined(IRIVER_H10_5GB) |
| 21:42:18 | hcs | though that section is already #if CONFIG_CPU==PP5020, isn't it |
| 21:43:35 | * | barrywardell would like to try the patch |
| 21:44:00 | linuxstb | I would say keep that #if line, but we need to think of a better way to distinguish between the PP5020/PP5021/PP5022 |
| 21:44:14 | hcs | hmm, when not playing the menus seem too slow... |
| 21:45:22 | * | linuxstb moans about the endian bugs in the recording codecs... |
| 21:46:13 | * | petur looks at linuxstb |
| 21:47:09 | linuxstb | All the codecs (at least wav and wavpack) are assuming big-endian targets. The only endian-checks I've found are in the Coldfire DMA handler :) |
| 21:47:31 | petur | in the peakmeter... |
| 21:47:43 | linuxstb | Yes - so I can understand it's just a copy and paste |
| 21:47:47 | petur | haven't looked at the codecs yet |
| 21:48:00 | petur | no, the peakmeter was rewritten too |
| 21:48:11 | linuxstb | So why the endian check? |
| 21:48:16 | petur | nice thing it keeps working during diskwriting |
| 21:48:50 | petur | because it was there in the original code ;) |
| 21:49:53 | petur | anyway, I don't like the recording code changes too much... prerecording should have stayed in the uncompressed buffer |
| 21:50:11 | linuxstb | Please don't make any changes, I'm just getting ipod recording synced again :) |
| 21:50:32 | petur | no worries... no time atm |
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| 21:52:58 | amiconn | dionoea: around? |
| 21:54:51 | linuxstb | petur: Are the encoders efficient enough for uncompressed prerecording? |
| 21:55:16 | petur | you mean that they can catch up? |
| 21:55:29 | petur | I have no idea |
| 21:55:31 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 21:55:55 | petur | I don't even know how boosting is done in the current code |
| 21:55:56 | amiconn | Hmm, I didn't check, but I guess the recording pcm buffer is quite small, and the majority of buffer ram is used for the compressed data? |
| 21:56:07 | petur | I think they boost during encoding |
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| 21:57:16 | linuxstb | yes, there's a ci->enc_wavbuf_near_empty() function which is used to boost/unboost from within the encoder codec. |
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| 21:59:57 | Bagder | barrywardell: your patch looks fine to me |
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| 22:00:10 | Bagder | the SHARED_FLAG one that is |
| 22:00:10 | barrywardell | great, i'll submit it now |
| 22:01:41 | obo | Bagder: seen the wiki spam? |
| 22:01:51 | Bagder | no... |
| 22:02:15 | obo | users DavidRoches and PrilosecBuy |
| 22:02:38 | obo | someone posted about it in the forums |
| 22:04:04 | dionoea | amiconn: ? |
| 22:04:12 | Davide-NYC | force them to give all the devs free hydrocodone! |
| 22:04:20 | * | Davide-NYC did I just type that? |
| 22:04:27 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
| 22:04:45 | amiconn | dionoea: Any objections against committing substancial graphical enhancements to solitaire? |
| 22:05:20 | amiconn | They also simplify the code, the only drawback is that the plugin binary becomes rather large for colour targets |
| 22:05:27 | dionoea | amiconn: why would i object to enhancements ? :) (i only object to scrollpad use on the ipod) |
| 22:05:37 | dionoea | scrollwheel |
| 22:07:41 | petur | linuxstb: if I calc correctly, the uncompressed buffer is 256 chunks or around 11 seconds at 44kHz, so indeed rather small |
| 22:08:07 | dionoea | amiconn: do you have screenshots available ? |
| 22:08:26 | amiconn | Here is a preview: http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/Solitaire_Preview.png |
| 22:09:10 | ender` | nooooo, do you really want me to waste time playing solitare even on my mp3 player?! |
| 22:09:14 | dionoea | hum ... cards look a bit ... crowded :) |
| 22:09:28 | dionoea | but it's nice :) |
| 22:09:55 | petur | it could use custom backgrounds ;) |
| 22:10:07 | amiconn | The inner part of the cards are now bitmaps (part of a large "deck" bitmap) |
| 22:10:33 | dionoea | amiconn: did you try using fullcard graphics for J/Q/K ? |
| 22:10:45 | dionoea | instead of a central image |
| 22:10:55 | amiconn | The tedious graphical work was done by pixelma :) |
| 22:11:01 | dionoea | :) |
| 22:11:16 | dionoea | neat thing would be to allow loading bitmaps at run time |
| 22:11:23 | dionoea | so that users could have custom decks |
| 22:11:36 | dionoea | or at least custom card backs :) |
| 22:11:58 | amiconn | I just did the code changes (and fixed some problems related to row spacing, card staggering etc) |
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| 22:13:55 | amiconn | That's going to be a large commit... many .bmp files |
| 22:15:29 | linuxstb_ | Have you thought about making a library to help implement other card games? |
| 22:16:59 | petur | rockbox game api ;) |
| 22:17:13 | hcs | DirectBox |
| 22:17:34 | hcs | *DirectboX |
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| 22:22:56 | hcs | whoops, just realized that the modification I made makes almost no sense... |
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| 22:46:27 | amiconn | Bagder: Would it be possible to make the top row of the build table update "live" while a build is running? I guess it should, since the download table below does update live... |
| 22:46:54 | Bagder | yes it would be possible |
| 22:47:06 | Bagder | but would take some effort to rearrange how the scripts work |
| 22:47:20 | dionoea | or use buildbot :) |
| 22:47:27 | amiconn | Thios way one could see earlier whether something goes wrong |
| 22:47:29 | Bagder | that would be even more work |
| 22:47:50 | Bagder | amiconn: yeps, it would be nice |
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| 22:48:24 | hcs | linuxstb: the code I was testing earlier wasn't very useful in actually doing anything reasonable with the interrupts, yet it did prevent crashes, maybe it is just a delicate timing issue |
| 22:48:42 | Bagder | it seems Linus found the hanging-build problem in the build script |
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| 23:34:19 | Davide-NYC | petur: is all of the recording screen display logic done in apps/recorder/recording.c? |
| 23:35:55 | petur | yes |
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| 23:41:27 | barrywardell | if i do a cvs add without doing cvs commit, do emails still get sent to rockbox-cvs@cool.haxx.se? |
| 23:41:58 | petur | doesn't add do a commit? |
| 23:42:06 | hcs | I don't think so |
| 23:42:24 | linuxstb_ | adding a directory commits immediately, but not files. |
| 23:42:42 | barrywardell | in that case, oops |
| 23:44:30 | barrywardell | i was working on moving the ipod into the target tree and did cvs add firmware/target/apple |
| 23:45:59 | barrywardell | should i revert it somehow? |
| 23:46:56 | linuxstb_ | You can't revert... |
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| 23:47:32 | barrywardell | can i just leave it then? it will be coming eventually anyway... |
| 23:47:55 | linuxstb_ | You've no choice. It does no harm though. |
| 23:48:38 | barrywardell | i could delete it again. but there's not much point |
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| 23:54:50 | MagusG | approximately how much space does the rockbox software take up on an ipod nano? |
| 23:57:00 | dionoea | several MB. most likely less than 10 |
| 23:57:48 | scorche | i am sitting at 10 with about 7 themes |
| 23:58:07 | MagusG | and how is the battery life realistically? playing oggs? |
| 23:58:10 | MagusG | on a nano |
| 23:58:23 | MagusG | i read in the wiki that no battery optimization has been done.. |
| 23:58:26 | dionoea | you have the first gen nano right ? |
| 23:58:29 | MagusG | .yes |
| 23:58:30 | MagusG | 4gb |
| 23:58:32 | dionoea | k |
| 23:58:45 | dionoea | (i don't have a clue about battery life) |
| 23:58:50 | MagusG | k |
| 23:58:59 | scorche | MagusG: go to the wiki page "IpodRuntime" |
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