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#rockbox log for 2006-10-01

00:00:06Famicomooops
00:00:08Famicom:(
00:00:17Famicomok, thanks
00:00:29dainanakii don't think thats quite what you mean though
00:00:49dainanakido you mean the computer has ntfs filesystem or the media device?
00:01:23Famicomuhmm I understand, i was referring to the computer, but obviously what must be Fat32 is the iPOD
00:01:33FamicomI've just noticed
00:01:54dainanakiexactly
00:02:20Famicomthat's good news, thanks ;)
00:03:11hcslinuxstb: I've had good luck with this line in system_init(): outl(inl(0x70000024)|0xc0,0x70000024); but it might just be luck, I've only run it about an hour
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00:03:44hcsif you could get it to freeze with that it would help get my hopes down
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00:04:59linuxstbhcs: I'll try my best.
00:05:21hcsthat's also with those interrupt clearing bits changed
00:05:35hcs*lines
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00:06:26linuxstbCan you make a quick patch?
00:06:31hcssure
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00:08:06hcsshould I open a patch on flyspray?
00:08:15hcsor just tack it onto the other one?
00:08:30linuxstbJust add it as a comment to the existing task.
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00:10:15hcsok, now up
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00:12:35linuxstbThanks. Have you made any other changes to system.c?
00:13:11hcsno, this is against current cvs
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00:14:08linuxstbOK. Starting a test now...
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00:27:27Soaphcs, linuxstb, I'm trying to follow your conversation, but how did hcs pick that particular register as a potential cause of the 4g crashes?
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00:27:47hcsSoap: disassembly
00:28:24hcsI'm comparing what we do with what the official firmware does
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00:29:43hcsand this dang this is still running, but as I haven't done any runtime tests I don't know if that is because I've solved the problem or if I've just disabled scaling in the hardware
00:30:01SoapI follow that much. I just remember you listing a longish list of registers in the Apple FW not touched by rockbox, and was curious how you came to settle on that one.
00:30:55hcsoh, the first list I gave was what's used to clear the interrupts, it is the registers we use for interrupt management already, but for some reason in our startup code we write -1 to a different set of registersd
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00:32:09hcsso I switched that to what the firmware uses, what makes sense, but no difference in behavior
00:32:44Famicomnow I've got a problem...my iPOD is like frozen...I installed rockbox, started it, ok, but when I pressed "Info", to see the version of rockbox, a box appeared saying "Scanning disk..."
00:32:57Famicomand it won't respond
00:33:07Famicomi can't shut it down
00:33:12SoapMenu+select?
00:34:01linuxstbFamicom: Leave it for a few minutes...
00:34:12Famicomdoesn't seem to work...
00:34:14Famicomok
00:34:14hcsSoap: so then I looked at function before it, which is setting something I can't find any documentation on, but it is in the same range as the cpu frequency setting stuff, so I guess it'd be a good thing to try
00:34:15linuxstbIt's Rockbox fixing the free-space info for your disk.
00:35:16Soapthanks hcs
00:35:36Famicomok, it's done...
00:35:41hcsSoap: no problem, hopefully it actually works...
00:35:41hcsand now I'm off to the store for another week's supply of carbonated sugar water
00:36:03Famicomnow, can I erase all the files in my iPOD directory? excepting rockbox stuff and songs
00:36:11Famicomy mean all other directories
00:36:46scorcheFamicom: yes, but apple os will be unusable (if you care)
00:37:23Famicomand that will cause iTUNEs not to work, won't it?
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00:38:07Famicomwill it be possible to recover appleOS ?
00:39:34nlsyes
00:39:51Soapscorche - Apple OS will recreate the directories.
00:40:04Famicomok
00:40:22Famicomso if I format my iPOD, nothing really bad will happen...no?
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00:40:53*scorche shrugs at soap
00:41:59linuxstbhcs: Bad news, it's frozen...
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01:02:32hcslinuxstb: yeah, I got a freeze on my way to the store, too
01:05:28hcs"another one bites the dust"
01:06:45hcsbecause I'm obsessive about stuff like this I'm putting the OR'ing in set_cpu_frequency and waiting for disaster to strike
01:07:23hcsmaybe it gets the PLL in a good mood :)
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01:56:00hcs"I play my mp3s on a totally organic player made from twigs and mulched hippies."
01:58:19Soapoh, shit, where did I read that earlier today?
01:58:43SoapAhh, the /. discussion of Apple/greenpeace
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02:03:42hcsyep, seemed appropriate for this channel
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02:19:25Davide-NYCHello all, I need tiny bit of help with the VMPlayer and the Rockbox VMImage.
02:19:50Davide-NYCI wish to unzip directly to my player's root directory, connected via usb
02:20:03Davide-NYCwhere is it mounted to? (is it mounted at all?)
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02:47:20JdGordonDavide-NYC: im assuming this is windows? what you need to do is in windows open explorer, tpe \\debian then goto the home directory and copy the files from that onto your player in explorer
02:48:09Davide-NYCJdGordon: I did that, but I'd like to avoid it (nick picking again) is there a way to mount the iriver's drive?
02:48:19JdGordoni dont tinhk so
02:48:21Davide-NYCI find nothing in mnt/
02:48:33Davide-NYCI haven't looked in dev/ yet
02:48:37JdGordoni doubt vmware has access to the usb ports
02:49:25Davide-NYCthe reason i suspect it does is that the player auto-detects my USB devices, puts big buttons that are supposed to 'connect' or disconnect them.
02:49:37Davide-NYCwhen I connect to the iriver it unmounts from windows
02:49:42Davide-NYC(in the VMPlayedr
02:51:16JdGordoni dunno
02:51:25Davide-NYCis there some magic linux command for auto-mounting usb drives?
02:51:31Davide-NYC(there must be)
02:51:40JdGordondo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
02:51:43JdGordonthat might work
02:52:13hcsthe hotplug subsystem will do that, but if it isn't already set up for you its a huge pain to configure
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02:54:53Davide-NYCmount: mount point /mnt/usb does not exist
02:55:01Davide-NYC:-(
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02:55:11JdGordonmkdir /mnt/usb
02:55:24JdGordonu might need to swap to root to do all this
02:55:44Davide-NYCalready su'ed into root
02:55:58JdGordonok, mkdir /mnt/usb
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02:56:44Davide-NYCmaybe....
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02:57:09Davide-NYC\o/
02:57:13Davide-NYCyes!
02:57:21Davide-NYCthanks
02:57:22JdGordonit moiunted?
02:57:25Davide-NYCit did
02:57:29JdGordoncool
02:57:29Davide-NYChaha
02:57:38Davide-NYCyou're cool!
02:58:03Davide-NYCum how do I get out of root?
02:58:09JdGordonadd /dev/sda1 /media/usb vfat defaults,users,rw,noauto 0 0 to /etc/fstab so u dont have to be root to mount it
02:58:12JdGordontype exit
02:58:29Davide-NYCwhere do I add that?
02:58:36JdGordongo back to root
02:58:40Davide-NYCk
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02:58:47JdGordonthen type nano /etc/fstab
02:58:48Davide-NYCOh, "add" is a command
02:58:50JdGordonand add that line
02:59:00JdGordonno, add is not a line
02:59:02JdGordoncommand
02:59:13JdGordon /dev/sda1 /media/usb vfat defaults,users,rw,noauto 0 0
02:59:18Davide-NYCI've heard of fstab, it is basically a giant config file
02:59:23JdGordonchange /media/usb to /mnt/usb
02:59:41JdGordonit tells the OS where to mount different file systems
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03:00:26Davide-NYCshould I expect it to be blanck?
03:00:29Davide-NYC*blank
03:00:37JdGordonno..
03:00:43Davide-NYCI messed up
03:00:43JdGordonare u usre u typed it correct?
03:00:49Davide-NYChold a sec
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03:01:44Davide-NYCwhew! found it
03:02:53*JdGordon back later
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03:05:56Davide-NYCI made a usb dir in media so that it's all together in the same place and had /dev/sda mount to media/usb
03:06:01Davide-NYCtesting now
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03:11:36JdGordonDavide-NYC: make sure you do umount /media/usb before u unplug
03:11:49Davide-NYCdoh
03:11:51Davide-NYCtoo late
03:12:01Davide-NYCnothing bad seems to have happenend
03:12:03JdGordon... well for next time
03:12:16JdGordonit might not work when u try mounint git again
03:12:37Davide-NYCit did, it's mounted now. But it didn;t happen automagically the way I'd liked
03:12:47Davide-NYCprob not worth the trouble
03:12:55JdGordonnow, if your really lazy like me... type "nano ~/copy_to_usb.sh"
03:13:01JdGordonthen add the next 3 lines
03:13:10JdGordonmount /media/usb
03:13:19JdGordoncp rockbox.iriver /media/usb
03:13:25JdGordonumount /media/usb
03:13:42JdGordonthen save and exit then do "chmod +x ~/copy_to_usb.sh"
03:14:20JdGordonthen all you need to do to copy it across is run that file (~/cop<tab>)
03:14:38Davide-NYCI'm loving it
03:15:32JdGordonu need to run it from the folder with rockbox.iriver of course...
03:16:00JdGordonif your REALLY lazy, you can even copy the .sh to /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin and then you dont need the ~/ when u try running it
03:16:02Davide-NYCfor me it'll be an unzip
03:16:32JdGordonthen add the line... "unzip rockbox.zip -d /media/usb"
03:16:36JdGordonwithout "" of corse
03:16:48Davide-NYCmy build path never changes and the sim build don;t need it so it'll be fin in usr/local/bin
03:16:55Davide-NYC*fine
03:16:59Davide-NYCawesome \o/
03:19:27Davide-NYCI think it should be unzip ~/build.H120/rockbox-fullzip.zip -d /media/usb
03:19:35Davide-NYClook good?
03:19:53aliaskIf that's where the zip file is
03:19:57Davide-NYCyeah
03:20:31Davide-NYCoops: unzip ~/rockbox-devel/build.H120/rockbox-fullzip.zip -d /media/usb
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03:22:55JdGordonif your in ~/rockbox-devel/build.H120 when u want to runt he script then there is no need for the full path
03:23:02*JdGordon grabs some breakfast
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03:30:14Davide-NYCit's working but is very slow
03:31:03Davide-NYCprogress was initially slow but then ended abruptly. So far I'd say this is a success
03:31:08Davide-NYCthanks for you help!
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03:32:39Davide-NYCFYI: I have to disconnect the H120 twice since windows grabs it after I "unplug" it from VMWare.
03:32:45Davide-NYCNo bother
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03:49:14hcswell, back to the always-boosted rockbox for me
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04:06:56aliaskhcs: How do you run always boosted? Just remove the define for adjustable and define CPU_FREQ as 75000000?
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04:17:26hcsaliask: just remove the adjustable, the ipod_set_cpu_frequency sets it to 75MHz
04:18:11aliaskhcs: So you only need to remove the define for adjustable_cpu?
04:18:37hcsyeah, never had a freeze with that
04:18:48hcsbut it goes through batteries twice as fast...
04:20:05aliaskMine won't even boot like that.
04:20:15hcswhat's yours?
04:20:15aliaskFreezes the second rockbox.ipod is loaded.
04:20:20aliaskMini 1g
04:20:31hcsoh, mine's a 4g color
04:20:40aliaskBoth PP5020 though.
04:20:56hcsdid you rebuild the bootloader, too?
04:21:03aliaskNo.
04:21:48aliaskShould I have?
04:22:10hcslooking through the code it doesn't look like it'd make any difference
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04:22:38hcsdid you clear out everything and rebuild?
04:22:53aliaskNo, I just ran make bin again
04:23:22hcsso you have only rockbox.ipod?
04:23:49aliaskThat's the only thing I've been updating.
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04:24:11hcsit won't be compatible with anything else if you take out that #define
04:24:29hcsit changes the structure of the firmware a bit
04:24:46aliaskI don't run plugins or record anything.
04:24:59aliaskWhich (I think) is the only time other binaries are loaded.
04:25:01hcscodecs?
04:25:06aliaskAh right.
04:25:09hcsanyway, I ran into the same issue
04:25:09aliaskYes, a minor detail.
04:25:31aliaskSorry?
04:25:55hcsI wanted to have two .ipods, one with constant boosting and one adjustable, but I could only run the one that I built the rest of rockbox for
04:26:13hcsotherwise I'd get a prefetch abort at the title screen
04:26:30aliaskSo are you saying I should update the entire install to get it to work?
04:26:41hcsI think that should work, yeah
04:26:46aliaskSupercool
04:26:57aliaskMy ipod has no screen, so I have no idea what happens when it freezes.
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04:34:22aliaskhcs: That worked. Now I can actually use my ipod! :D
04:34:38hcscongrats, enjoy
04:41:46hcsman, even broken nanos go for $80
04:46:42aliaskYeah, I was pretty lucky to get mine. My friend sat on his, and got a new one for free from his sister, so he gave me his old cracked screen one.
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04:47:36hcsso can you use the blind features to navigate the menus?
04:47:48hcsor does that not work on ipods...
04:48:28aliaskNo it works pretty well, the only difficulty is the scroll wheel.
04:48:58aliaskYou really can't predict how many spaces it'll move at a time, so you have to rely on the voice.
04:49:03hcsah
04:49:46hcssounds like a job for a binary tree
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04:49:56hcsand with that, I'm off to sleep
04:51:18aliaskG'night
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04:54:52aliaskAnyone know if a 4.8V 1.2A power supply would be OK for a device expecting 5V 1.0A?
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05:21:09Davide-NYCI can't seem to get www.rockbox.org
05:21:31Davide-NYCHmm, it pings fine
05:22:01Davide-NYCnothing from the http
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06:30:04Tarantulafudgewhats up with the site being dead?
06:30:30Tarantulafudgeanyone?
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06:31:47TarantulafudgeJoely, whats up with the site?
06:31:56Joelywhat did i do!?!
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06:32:57Joelyyou mean my ip?
06:33:00TarantulafudgeJoely, I dunno, your the only one alive
06:33:06Joelyhaha oh
06:33:06TarantulafudgeJoely, this room is barren
06:33:10Joelyoh no!
06:33:14Joelyi'll definitely talk
06:33:15Joelyi'm lonely
06:33:17Tarantulafudgelol
06:33:21Joelyi'm in a hotel in ohio
06:33:23Joelyby myself
06:33:25Joelyit's crazy
06:33:25Tarantulafudgeanyway rockbox.org is dead for me
06:33:41Joelyargh! let me go see it
06:33:53TarantulafudgeI'm thinking about attempting to port rockbox to the m230
06:34:01Tarantulafudgesansa*
06:34:06Joelyreally?!?!?!
06:34:17Joelywait...which sansa?
06:34:54Tarantulafudgem230
06:35:05TarantulafudgeI'll probably fail
06:35:12Tarantulafudgeit'll be fun to try though
06:35:23Joelyoh, well TRY
06:35:30Joelyhehe
06:35:35Joelyok guess what
06:35:44Joelyso i got my sansa the other day...
06:35:52Joelythe e250
06:36:02Joelyand i'm hacking on it, quite fun
06:36:09Joelyhowever, my laptop just died on me
06:36:15Joelylike...the operating system died
06:36:18Joelyno more openbsd
06:36:36Joely(the file system got corrupted beyond belief in a freak accident)
06:37:01Joelysooo no more rockbox, and i'm left with openfirmware to play with on my little guy!
06:37:01Tarantulafudgelol
06:37:11Joelyand that leaves me to thinking....
06:37:33Joelyit's time to have openfirmware on my sansa
06:37:38Joelyyup
06:37:42Joelyi decided that today
06:37:45Tarantulafudgelol
06:37:50TarantulafudgeI want it bad
06:38:13Tarantulafudgealthough, the firmware on it is pretty good
06:38:52Joelyright now i'm trying to write a telnet client in forth...i really really need to get my laptop working! and my only resources (since i'm in a hotel) are my laptop and this ethernet bridge i found
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06:39:09Joelyso yeah, let's put openfirmware as the basis for rockbox
06:39:12Joely:)
06:39:41Joelyrockbox can do all the memory management and gui, and user junk...and we'll write the drivers in forth
06:40:15Joelybecause...i really really want usb and firewire drivers!!!!
06:40:24Tarantulafudgelol
06:40:27Tarantulafudgeforums still work
06:40:32Tarantulafudgehttp://forums.rockbox.org
06:40:55Joelyso we can celebrate october third with merryment and sharing of music through rockbox enabled jukeboxes
06:41:04Joelyhooray forums
06:42:59rotatorforums are hosted by misticriver, another server
06:43:10rotatordownload.rockbox.org is still up too
06:43:23Tarantulafudgerotator, you know whats up with the site?
06:43:37rotatorno idea, but it's been for a few hours now, i think
06:44:33rotatorwe'll just have to wait until the swedes wake up ;)
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06:44:48Tarantulafudgeso whats better, ipodlinux or ipod rockbox?
06:45:32*rotator looks at the channel name
06:45:37rotatorrockbox for sure :p
06:48:53*rotator sips his beer and fades into the background...
06:49:13Joelynooooooooooooo don't go away!
06:49:15Joely:(
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06:58:52Joelyhey...ummm stupid question...are most of the players' firmware stored on the harddrive or in actual flash chips specifically for the firmware?
06:59:18Joelyi know that most (if not all) read from some file put on the root folder of the device...
06:59:25Joelybut is there a lower firmware than that?
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07:07:06Joelywow, i guess everyone thinks that's a stupid question as well...sigh
07:15:29TarantulafudgeJoely, I'm here, sorry
07:16:00TarantulafudgeJoely, firmware is stored on a physical chip which must be 'flashed' with new firmwares
07:16:25TarantulafudgeJoely, sometimes it is stored on the flash/hd like the ipod
07:16:32TarantulafudgeJoely, sometimes it isn't
07:17:15TarantulafudgeJoely, more than not, newer players are switching to on-flash firmware
07:17:21Joelyoh
07:17:32TarantulafudgeJoely, just like your bios
07:17:52TarantulafudgeJoely, your computer's bios IS firmware
07:18:28Joelyah i see, i just didn't know if rockbox acted as an os or as actual firmware...on wikipedia it says os firmware which confused me
07:18:46TarantulafudgeJoely, its the same thing
07:20:14TarantulafudgeJoely, in computers, the bios hands upper functionality to the operating system, sometimes the firmware IS the operating system
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07:21:05Joelyohhh i get it....i thought maybe their was like cpu microcode hidden somewhere in a flash chip with secret drivers and other magic
07:21:14Joely:)
07:21:23Joelybut i guess i'm just being silly
07:22:42Joelybut are you sure? haha sorry...it's just one guy said his ipod showed a frowny face from apple even after he installed rockbox
07:22:47TarantulafudgeJoely, your referring to SOC, system on a chip, which does exist
07:23:39Joelyoh, well aren't most of the players supported by rockbox SoCs?
07:24:00Joelyso they have like their own mini os on it that you can't change or something?
07:24:14TarantulafudgeJoely, well, its always changeable, heheh
07:24:27Joelyoh! like through JTAG?
07:26:27TarantulafudgeJoely, whats that acronym stand for?
07:27:32Joelyohh that's a hard one for me to remember....i just know from fpga work that it's like a `backdoor protocol' to the cpu
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07:32:45Joelyaww he left...well i'm gonna print out some manuals so i can rtfm for making an outline of the code i want to make!
07:32:48Joelybye everyone!
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07:52:06RaiderXthe sites down.. >_>
07:52:12RaiderXhow longs this been?
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10:13:08bluebrotheris rockbox.org down or is it just my network connection doing strange things?
10:13:41Quazgaaits down
10:14:03bluebrothertoo bad. Any reasons known?
10:15:38peturat least cvs is still up ;)
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10:37:15LeedsHKis it just me who can't get to rockbox.org right now?
10:37:55peturserver is down
10:38:40LeedsHKis there an eta?
10:39:54Quazgaaestimated time of anal?
10:40:05LeedsHKyes...
10:40:14QuazgaaT minus 17 seconds
10:40:50*petur watches Quazgaa run over to LeedsHK and looks away
10:42:45LeedsHKso I'll take that as a no...
10:43:32petur;)
10:43:56peturforums are still up - they're on another server
10:45:29LeedsHKthanks
10:45:51petur(http://forums.rockbox.org/)
10:46:28LeedsHKyeah, guessed that :-)
10:50:26bluebrothermaybe someone should add this to the topic ...
10:50:36LeedsHKnot going to do me all that much good if I can't download the software though...
10:51:21peturBagder? Zagor?
10:53:31Quazgaathe download server is still there
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10:53:47Quazgaahttp://download.rockbox.org/
10:55:44LeedsHKah, including the manual - thanks again
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11:01:34aliaskWow, this is the first time I tried coding something and it Just Worked(tm)
11:02:08Quazgaado us a favor and dont code anymore
11:02:50zeQuazgaa: pff
11:02:56Quazgaa:p
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11:03:56zeQuazgaa: lets see you contribute some bug-free non-trivial code that worked the first time :p
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11:04:12rretzbachaliask: if you stop coding now you have a 100% success rate!!
11:04:48Quazgaawell if i was to contribute it wouldnt be some halfass shit
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11:05:29zeQuazgaa: i.e. it wouldn't work
11:05:43zeQuazgaa: :p until after fucking with it endlessly
11:05:43zeheh
11:07:14zeQuazgaa: you should contribute something
11:07:18Quazgaa:P
11:07:22zeQuazgaa: port your old demos to rockbox or something :p
11:07:44Quazgaayeah i should do all kinds of things im never actually going to do
11:07:51zepff
11:07:54aliaskHahaha... well, that's one way to look at it...
11:09:01zeQuazgaa: ya know i thrawted yer mom
11:09:05Quazgaai should make a rockse.cx demo
11:09:11zeheh
11:09:13LeedsHKit's alive!
11:10:46*linuxstb_ discovers .rvf video about 3 years too late...
11:11:05aliaskHeh. It was only for recorders right?
11:11:53linuxstb_All bitmapped Archoses afaik.
11:12:45aliaskOh... the tracker's down...
11:14:00*aliask sighs and goes back to idling
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11:23:17pondlifeI'm sure this has been asked many times already, but seeing as I can't see the logs..
11:23:32pondlifeRockbox.org is down, right? Any idea how long for?
11:23:49Quazgaauntil you stop touching yourself at night
11:23:50aliaskIt's down, and I don't think its a planned outage
11:24:07nlshaxxed againg?
11:24:15aliaskAlso, it looks like it's stopped the mailing list from working too
11:24:41zearen't the logs google cached?
11:25:21aliaskGreat, you could read logs from a week ago.
11:25:39zeoh
11:25:57Quazgaaze: dumb bastard, get with it
11:26:06zei didn't realize the only question was the one about the logs
11:26:12zeheh
11:26:37zeer
11:26:42zei mean the one about rockbox.org being down
11:26:43zeduh
11:26:44zeheh
11:27:03pondlifehaxx.se is up, so it looks to be localised?
11:27:28pondlifeAlso forums.rockbox.org is ok
11:27:33aliaskdownload and forums are up too
11:27:48Quazgaathe CIA broke in and are "upgrading" your server overnight
11:28:24pondlifeCVS is available.
11:28:40zehmm, a box must be up on rockbox.org because its refusing connections
11:28:43aliaskYeah, that's on download.rockbox.org
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11:29:26zedownload.rockbox.org is on the same ip as haxx.se, which is a different ip from rockbox.org, and also from forums.rockbox.org
11:29:46pondlifewww.rockbox.org is responding to pings
11:29:59pondlifeBut not web requests
11:30:04pondlifeAnyway, gotta go
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11:51:14RockerBoxedhello
11:52:06RockerBoxeddoes any1 know if wavpack with cuesheet is supported yet?
11:52:37Quazgaadoes anyone care? just use flac
11:53:24linuxstbRockerBoxed: No, Rockbox doesn't support cuesheets with any format.
11:53:27RockerBoxedi encoded my cd to single wavpack with cuesheet embedded but my x5 doesn't seem to display any tags at all
11:54:13RockerBoxedoh ok thanx
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12:06:21senabi was thinking of doing a codec efficiency test for rockbox, by using the boost ratio on the audio thread debug screen
12:07:11senabthe one thing that's stopping me is that on the audio thread screen theres a peak meter on the buffer levels, thus using more cpu cycles
12:07:51senabwould commenting "lcd_puts(0, line++, buf);ro" out removes the peakmeter type bar?
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12:10:52aliasksenab: They aren't peakmeters, they're progressbars, that might help you find what you're looking for.
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12:12:42senabgotcha, how could i miss that in debug_menu.c, i'm a retard
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12:13:52senabthanks anyway
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12:15:43aliaskNo worries
12:17:08senabis rockbox.org down for you lot?
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12:18:25obohttp appears to be down, CVS and email is still working
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12:19:05aliaskWhere email is only CVS notifications.
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12:19:59oboWell, the flyspray ones aren't going to be seeing a lot of action until it's back :)
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12:20:27aliaskTrue :)
12:22:31senabwhen playback is stopped, is the audio buffer cleared?
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12:40:20tucozanyone know what's up with rockbox.org?
12:41:16Quazgaathe mib
12:41:38tucozprobably
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12:42:52tucozhow nice :)
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12:43:08linuxstb_Bagder the magician, waving his magic wand...
12:43:09tucozit seems to have waken it up
12:43:27Bagdersticks are good tools for fixing computers
12:43:36aliaskEspecially long ones.
12:44:13aliaskOh, don't forget mysql.
12:45:18aliaskThere we go :)
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12:45:58dan_aHey Bagder - belated congratulations on your new arrival!
12:46:08Bagderthanks
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13:02:05peturBagder: I see that a commit I did this morning isn't in the cvs build table and homepage, can it be it wasn't build or just that the info isn't logged?
13:02:37Bagderhm, weird!
13:03:24Bagderit wasn't built
13:03:47Bagdersince the build "daemon" wasn't alive
13:03:53peturah, ok
13:04:13Bagderbut it builds now
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13:04:20BagderI started it again
13:04:25peturthnx
13:04:36Bagderwe have a monthly reboot and apparently stuff don't start properly afterwards
13:05:11peturdidn't know linux needed a monthly reboot :p
13:05:19Bagderit doesn't normally
13:05:30Bagderbut we do it to easier have the machine update to new kernels
13:06:41Bagderbtw, I think I fixed the digest mode yday
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13:07:17BagderI got a report from someone who got a digest with 560 mails in it ;-)
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13:35:32linuxstb_Can anyone access http://ipodlinux.org ?
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13:35:52ender`doesn't seem to work for me
13:36:05linuxstbThanks.
13:36:45*linuxstb hugs google's cache
13:37:08aliaskHeh, first us, now them.
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13:38:41linuxstbdan_a: I don't know if you saw it, but I posted a patch to flyspray yesterday for ipod recording - do you fancy adding 3g support to it?
13:41:05barrywardelli just added support for the wm8731
13:41:12barrywardellbut can't get it to work on my h10 yet
13:41:42barrywardelli can post a patch if dan_a wants to try it
13:41:46bluebrotherbarrywardell, generic question regarding the h10: how is usb handled? Will it work as UMS with rockbox installed?
13:42:18barrywardellyes, you hold the right button while powering on and the iriver bootloader goes into UMS mode
13:42:41bluebrothernice. I assume this is true also for the mtp models?
13:43:08barrywardellthat is only true for mtp models
13:43:10dan_alinuxstb, barrywardell: I'll give it a go
13:43:34barrywardellums models always start in ums mode when connected to usb ( i think)
13:44:03bluebrotherok. I recently saw some 20GB models on ebay. Do you think ~150 EUR is a good price?
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13:44:22bluebrotheras I considered maybe getting one
13:44:43barrywardellsounds about right
13:45:01bluebrothercool, thanks.
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13:47:49barrywardelldan_a: barrywardell.net/assets/files/ipodrecordv2.diff">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/ipodrecordv2.diff
13:48:07barrywardellyou will just need to add HAVE_RECORDING to config-ipod3g.h
13:48:36dan_abarrywardell: Thanks!
13:48:50barrywardelland maybe look at the ipl magic in pcm_record.c
13:48:53linuxstbPlus you might need some GPIO magic to enable recording via the headphone socket.
13:48:59linuxstb(mic-input)
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13:50:48linuxstbAlmost forgot, you'll need to adapt the FIQ for the PP5002...
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13:51:17linuxstbI included some PP5002 codepaths in my original patch, but maybe not everywhere.
13:52:15dan_aI'll have a play, and see what I can do.
13:53:24linuxstbLooking at audio.c in the IPL kernel, there seems to be no GPIO magic for mic-in on the 3g - just the 4g/Photo
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14:03:06Fixxxerhi guys.. anyone in here?
14:03:52Fixxxerhmm.. i need a little help with the iAudio X5 bootloader
14:04:04Fixxxerthis part does not appear in the menual
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14:15:08senabi've done a bit of a codec efficiency test if anyone wants a look
14:15:09senabhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6786.0
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14:18:27linuxstbsenab: Have you tested any AAC files > 192kbps?
14:18:48aliasksenab: Looks like a good test, but a few things: iTunes and Nero - those are AAC right? Might want to make it a bit more obvious what format they are. And what are LAME v2,5,7 in kbps?
14:19:35linuxstbThe third column in the data gives the bitrate.
14:19:49linuxstb^in the table
14:20:01aliaskHeh, I need to learn how to see.
14:20:08linuxstbBut yes, an it's a very interesting test.
14:20:15linuxstb^it's an
14:20:27linuxstbAnd I need to learn to write
14:20:32aliask:)
14:20:49*linuxstb makes mental note: Type, read then press enter
14:20:58senabthanks
14:21:18*aliask makes mental note: Read, type then press enter
14:22:28linuxstbsenab: Tests of higher bitrates would be interesting - 320kbps MP3, vorbis q10 etc
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14:27:53senabhmmm, i'll do that in a bit
14:28:10senaband add it to the table
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15:05:17naquadahow do i reset rockbox system in my player ?
15:05:32naquadareset setting to default ?
15:05:49linuxstbWhat player do you have?
15:06:55naquadax5l
15:06:58naquadaiaudio
15:07:15linuxstbI think you hold RECORD as Rockbox is booting.
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15:07:26linuxstbYou should see a "Cleared" message appear.
15:07:40naquadaone sec i will try
15:07:53naquadayep
15:07:54naquadathx
15:08:36naquadahow do i add language support ?
15:09:02linuxstbWhat do you mean? Rockbox comes with many languages already installed.
15:09:54naquadawhy can't i see hebrew in the file names ?
15:10:36linuxstbYou need to use a font that supports hebrew. I'm not sure how many do, but unifont should.
15:10:58naquadado i need to set somting in the player ?
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15:11:50linuxstbYou may need to set the codepage, I'm not sure.
15:12:25linuxstb(General Settings -> Display -> Default Codepage)
15:12:44naquadaand the right button
15:12:45naquada?
15:12:50naquadaone sec brb
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15:15:35naquadadidnt work :-(
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15:16:24naquadawhat can i do ?
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15:17:47naquadacan anyone help me make the hebrew lang work on my iaudio x5l ?
15:18:37hcsdid you change the font?
15:19:02naquadahow do i do it (sory im very new in this like 10 min)
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15:19:15NapuleMaxHi to everybody!
15:19:33naquadai only like it to show hebrew in the filename not the all player
15:19:52Genre9mp3naquada: At first, take a look at this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts
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15:20:49Genre9mp3There you can see which fonts actually support hebrew
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15:21:27NapuleMaxits possible make the "select bar" BLUE and the text BLACK (like the original ipod's menu)???
15:22:20naquadaGenre9mp3 : sould i look in the "BDF font information" ?
15:22:20Genre9mp3NapuleMax: The "select bar" just inverts fg/bg colours
15:22:30NapuleMaxmmmmmmmmm
15:22:39naquadaGenre9mp3 : sould i look in the "BDF font information" (Non-Rockbox fonts)?
15:22:55Genre9mp3NapuleMax: You can change foreground/ background colours though
15:23:32Genre9mp3naquada: This is the first time you installed rockbox to your player? Have you installed the fonts pack?
15:23:41NapuleMaxok tnks
15:24:33naquadaGenre9mp3 : nope , i have only copy the files in the daily build to the root dir
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15:25:04naquadaGenre9mp3 : what do i need to do now ?
15:25:27Genre9mp3NapuleMax: General Settings > Display > LCD Settings ... you can change the colours from there
15:25:45Genre9mp3naquada: Install the font package to your player
15:25:55naquadahow ?
15:25:58Genre9mp3naquada: from here: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
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15:27:10naquadaGenre9mp3 : do i need to selet the fonts zip ?
15:27:12Genre9mp3Download the latest fonts pack from that page and unzip it into your player
15:27:19Genre9mp3naquada: yes
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15:28:23DrMoreaumorning linuxstb
15:28:29*linuxstb wonders why no-one has written a patch to allow more parts of the Rockbox UI to have custom colours
15:28:34linuxstbAfternoon.
15:29:10Genre9mp3linuxstb: which parts are you refering to?
15:29:34DrMoreaumy play time is going to be a bit limited this week..
15:30:41naquadaGenre9mp3 : now what ?
15:30:55DrMoreaulinuxstb: do you know if anyone else is working on the 5.5 patches?
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15:31:20linuxstb_Genre9mp3: As much as possible - statusbar, highlight bar in list view, WPS...
15:31:38Genre9mp3naquada: General Settings > Display > Browse Fonts ... choose one that supports Hebrew
15:31:56Genre9mp3You can find which fonts support Hebrew in the first link I gave you
15:32:45Genre9mp3linuxstb: Status bar changes colours according to fg/bg... you mean having dependent colours for that?
15:33:27linuxstb_Yes.
15:33:41barrywardellit would be nice to be able to totally theme the statusbar, like with the WPS
15:33:45linuxstb_Maybe not accessible via the UI, but changable via a theme .cfg file.
15:33:47naquadaGenre9mp3 : thx man its working !!!
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15:34:44Genre9mp3Well, IMO what barrywardell said is better (to totally theme the status bar)
15:34:57barrywardellbetter, but more work :)
15:35:01linuxstb_Yes, but that's something else.
15:35:16Genre9mp3barrywardell: That's how it usually goes.. ;)
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15:35:58Genre9mp3linuxstb_: I just don't find it that important (to have depedent colours)
15:36:49_spanner_I known this is probably contentious, but what's which hardware platforms are good for rockbox? Is there a "best"?
15:37:49linuxstb_The best supported platforms are the older ones - so in that respect, Archos is the best, then iriver h1x0/h3x0, then iaudio X5, then ipods and iriver H10.
15:38:05_spanner_ipod seems like it has high capacity, nice screen & good CPU. But I've heard the components are a bit cheapy, and besides - it's an ipod, bleh
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15:38:36Genre9mp3_spanner_: First thing you have to find out first though is: Which player fits your needs
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15:39:36_spanner_Genre9mp3: my "needs": large disk & nice screen. And vorbis. nothing else is too important. any ideas?
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15:40:44_spanner_I would like to be able to play with rockbox too, so a free compiler would be nice too!
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15:41:05linuxstb_Rockbox can only be compiled with gcc
15:41:25_spanner_linuxstb_: on all platforms? impressive!
15:41:25Genre9mp3_spanner_: From what you pointed out, I would say iPod5G, but you have to know that you'll get limited battery life with Rockbox
15:41:49senabNew results in my codec comparison, see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6786.0
15:42:00senabVery high bitrates tested
15:42:06Genre9mp3_spanner_: Also Rockbox isn't so mature on iPods generally...you have to take into account that
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15:42:41linuxstb_Also, the new 5G ipods (80GB and updated 30GB) aren't supported by Rockbox yet - but hopefully they will be soon.
15:43:55linuxstb_senab: Wow, I'm impressed that 364kbps AAC is playing at only 84.6% boost...
15:44:21linuxstb_So it looks like everything is realtime (with peakmeters and DSP are disabled..)
15:45:14Genre9mp3senab: Is this on a iPod 5G?
15:45:52Genre9mp3senab: Nevermind just read the actual post
15:45:55_spanner_Genre9mp3: Ok, thanks for the info everyone. "not mature" is probably a good thing, it will encourage me to dig into the source. Hope to get involved before too long.
15:46:59Genre9mp3_spanner_: Actually, "not mature" is a bad thing! :)
15:47:25DrMoreaulinuxstb_: yeah hopefully... If I get some help :)))
15:47:28linuxstb__spanner_: The ipod ports are lacking developers, so you would be very welcome...
15:47:33Genre9mp3But it's good that you see it the other way! :)
15:47:51Genre9mp3Assistance is always welcome...
15:48:09linuxstb__spanner_: The "to-do" list: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus
15:48:36_spanner_Great stuff. I have just come into a bit of extra spare time (read: unemployment!). It would be nice to put some of it to good use.
15:49:54DrMoreauSo far, Ive been playing without the debugger. How can I enable it so it will help me?
15:50:35DrMoreaudisk.c is passing a -1 but I can't tell where it is coming form
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16:02:07naquadawhere can i find rockbox themes for iaudio x5l (and not from www.rockbox-themes.org)
16:02:10naquada?
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16:03:28bbrokenaquada: try http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8229
16:03:39Genre9mp3naquada: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIaudioX5
16:07:17naquadathx
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16:20:35dan_aDarn. Immediate lockup when I select the recording screen on the 3g after filling in all the todos
16:26:57naquadawhere can i find some rockbox games ?
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16:29:14Genre9mp3naquada: Games are bundled with the builds. You already have them. Just go to Browse Plugins to find some
16:29:37naquadaok thx
16:29:41Genre9mp3naquada: Also a good idea for you would be to spend some time and read the manual! ;)
16:30:02naquadalol i know but im tring to do it as fast as i can
16:30:40Genre9mp3Sometimes reading the manual helps more than you would expect... ;)
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17:01:42tilhi, in the forum i read that an rockbox port for elio is in development. just want to ask about the progress.
17:03:33tilor if it is still in development ?
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17:06:08*DrMoreau Thinks the 5.5 issue is with fat_mount
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17:14:55Davide-NYCWhat do people think of this test? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6786.msg52715#msg52715
17:15:32Davide-NYCSince profiling AAC is current impossible (for me at least) this may be a simple way to measure progress...
17:15:52Davide-NYC...of the AAC decoder optimization.
17:17:04Davide-NYCIf this is a good idea I will find a suitable (read non-copyright) track, and maybe we could host a ton of different formats of it and have people est the snot out of it on all different platforms.
17:17:14Davide-NYC*testr
17:18:31Genre9mp3Davide-NYC: Besides AAC I think it's generally good to know performance differencies between targets
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17:18:58Genre9mp3I would be interested for instance to compare this with the H300
17:19:04Davide-NYCme 2
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17:22:17Davide-NYCis the CPU hit considerable when using a WPS with peakleters?
17:22:25Davide-NYCWhat about the progressbar?
17:22:33Davide-NYC*peakmeters
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17:22:55hcsyes, peakmeters suck a lot of cpu, esp on stuff like ipod with slow lcds
17:23:05Genre9mp3AFAIK peak meters have a very negative effect on iPods
17:25:08Davide-NYCWht about the progressbar?
17:25:31Davide-NYCI'm an avid iRiver H1x0 user. :-)
17:26:23linuxstbYou can't tell the impact of different WPS elements on CPU usage apart from overall runtime - those test results posted to the forum were done by measuring the CPU boost ratio in the audio debug screen.
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17:30:02Davide-NYClinuxstb: do you find the test valid?
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17:30:28Davide-NYCif it were done across all platforms with the same WPS would it be telling?
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17:30:37Davide-NYCI don;t see why not.
17:30:54linuxstbIt's useful for measuring the relative speeds of the different codecs, so yes. But it doesn't measure other factors like the WPS display.
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17:32:04Davide-NYCI was thinking that a good idea would be to write up a wiki page with links to the standard test files (audio as well as WPS) and an easy place (in the forum?) for people to post their results.
17:32:33Davide-NYCI'm not hot on the forum, but I can;t think of an easier place to collect the data.
17:32:38linuxstbWhat are you trying to test?
17:32:55Davide-NYCI'm on the quest for M4A and WMA playback.
17:33:39Davide-NYCSenab (in the forums) just did this test and says AAC playback is fine. My H1x0 says different
17:33:55Davide-NYCI think it would make sense to know what plays real-time where.
17:34:23linuxstbWe just need a similar set of tests for a Coldfire target.
17:37:02Davide-NYCCan I use a different audio file?
17:38:14linuxstbIt would probably be nice to use the same file - assuming senab used the same test track for all formats.
17:38:58Davide-NYChe did, but I'm not so sure about how "distributable" the track is... ;-)
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17:44:35Dma-Scsorry if it's a dumb question, but the reset button on h120 is software handled right? and if rockbox hangs "badly" (because there might be some other cases) it doesn't do anything, isn't it?
17:44:46linuxstbNo, it's hardware.
17:45:01linuxstbBut it's easily damaged...
17:45:43Dma-Scoh, well mine probably is then
17:46:08linuxstbDoes it still click when you press it?
17:46:26Dma-Scyeah
17:49:33Dma-Scit worked once (way back as i was using iriver firmware)
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17:51:12MHenCould a developer pleeeeaaaase have a look at my essentially 4-line patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6052 and then commit it?
17:52:56linuxstbMHen: About the only people who can do that are LinusN and amiconn - not many developers are familiar with the hwcodec playback code...
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17:53:45linuxstbI for one don't like to commit patches for bits of Rockbox I don't know, no matter how trivial.
17:54:24senablooks quite a simple patch
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17:55:36Dma-Scah by the way (nothing related to the reset button), i changed the battery of my h120 for an ipod 2200 mah yesterday (model http://www.cameronsino.net/mp3/ipod/CS-IPOD1XL-big.JPG) and it seems to work perfectly, charged alright, battery load shows full 4.19v.
17:56:17senab@davide-nyc: do you want to the sample file i used for the codec test?
17:56:47Davide-NYCyes, and the modified debug.c file
17:56:51Davide-NYC(please)
17:56:57MHenlinuxstb: I understand. On the other hand, it's quite frustrating having such a simple patch not commited for such a long time. I stopped improving the responsiveness of the hw-codec in the meantime as I don't see any chance of a somewhat more complicated patch being ever committed.
17:57:18senabare you on windows?
17:57:20Davide-NYCI'll try torun the test as you have on my H1x0
17:57:22Davide-NYCyes
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17:57:48senabC> I'll try torun the test as you have on my H1x0
17:57:48senab[16:57] <Davide-NYC> yes
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17:58:13senabi'll make a batch file to encode the WAV with exactly the same settings
17:58:16senabgive me half hour
17:58:23Davide-NYCperfect! thanks!
17:58:41linuxstbMHen: A week is not a long time, especially when Rockbox developers just work on Rockbox occasionally in their spare time. You just happened to pick a week when certain people were not spending time on Rockbox.
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18:00:48Angryman_H10can anyone explain me how to get the bmp2rb running from the devtools via cygwin ?
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18:03:29MHenlinuxstb: Yes, of course it's not a long time. I found patches that were several years old. The author updated it regularly, to keep in sync with CVS and then gave up after a year or so. And when you say, it's essentially up to two developers, a week isn't too much. I thought all 56 developers "ignored" me.
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18:12:00linuxstb_MHen: I agree that patches a problem in Rockbox though - for whatever reason, not many developers are keen on reviewing and committing other people's work.
18:12:19linuxstb_Out of curiousity, what patch are you talking about that was updated for a year and ignored?
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18:14:37Davide-NYCI think the IriverStatus page on the wiki needs updating. If would kindly take a quick look at it and let know what they know to be oudated and/or incorrect I'll update the page.
18:15:46SoapLate to the party, but yeah, for benchmarking needs (runtime, boost percentage) a set of copyright unencumbered audio should probably be chosen. I had mentioned yesterday that archive.org has lots of live shows in FLAC which could by transcoded to the standard set.
18:16:22SoapI'm as guilty of it as anyone, I really should have done my runtime tests with a test album I could share to others.
18:16:51linuxstbYes, www.archive.org even has Vorbis and MP3 versions to download of some sets I think...
18:17:54Davide-NYCsenab is creating a batch file to do the conversion in a stardardized way.
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18:18:14Soapis the NERO AAC encoder free?
18:18:21Davide-NYCI'm gonna go pick something I like.
18:18:32Davide-NYCI don't know
18:18:51Davide-NYCI have Nero, but I'm not sure the encoder can be distributed.
18:18:57linuxstbI think so, or at least there's a free version.
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18:24:49senabnero is free as in beer
18:25:03senabbut has a restrictive license
18:25:06barrywardellcan anyone with an ipod try out my patch to move it into the target tree?
18:25:12barrywardellhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890
18:25:43senabi'm writing a batch file now so everyone uses the same settings
18:25:48barrywardelli've tested it on an ipod photo myself
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18:29:21valvolahi guys
18:30:29senabyou can get the nero encoder from here: http://www.nero.com/nerodigital/eng/Nero_Digital_Audio.html
18:30:36*Davide-NYC amazed at all of the good stuff on archive.org
18:31:05Soapit's where I get a sizeable part of my collection.
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18:31:33Soapsenab - is the nero encoder free enough that you could distribute it with your batch file?
18:31:56senabnope, you'd have to link to the website and get them to download it seperately
18:32:12oboIn file included from backlight.c:30:
18:32:12oboexport/button.h:71:27: error: button-target.h: No such file or directory
18:32:14Soapare you going to package up the other encoders?
18:32:20senabalready done
18:32:31obobarrywardell: that was on a 5g
18:32:38senabi've just testing out the batch file now
18:32:59SoapI wonder if I would be allowed to run a bot on the channel to distribute large files. I have plenty of bandwidth.
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18:33:10barrywardellthanks obo. must have missed a file in my patch!
18:35:35valvolais there any good news about rockbox on nano 2nd gen ?
18:35:51senabthe file i used is copyrighted, so what files can we use?
18:36:49Davide-NYCI'm having a good time checkin out the live stuff on archive.org.
18:37:04Davide-NYClive recording of SoulLive?
18:37:40senabwe need a file of around 3 minutes, otherwise it'll take ages to encode it all
18:38:00Davide-NYCuh, soullive is a bad choice then (jamband)
18:38:05Davide-NYCgimme a sec
18:38:35Soaphttp://www.archive.org/details/sme2005-10-17.aud.flac16
18:39:15Soapahh, three minutes you say.
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18:40:09senabcodec pack senab.iddx.net/rockbox/codec_pack.zip">http://senab.iddx.net/rockbox/codec_pack.zip
18:40:10tiflosHI
18:40:22tiflosi'm from spain... Anytiing about an accesible firmware for s1 mp3 player?
18:40:44tifloss1 mp3 player,sorry
18:41:04senabyou'll need to download ftp://ftp6.nero.com/tools/NeroDigitalAudio.zip, and unzip neroaacenc.exe into the "codecs"directory
18:41:17nlstiflos, rockbox doesn't support the "s1 mp3" players
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18:41:45barrywardellit looks like I actually missed loads of files with that ipod target tree patch
18:42:04tiflosI know, but not exist any alternative solution? I read for another project but ...
18:42:37tiflosnls you know?
18:42:43MHenlinuxstb: (Sorry for the delay) I sorted the patches by date. The sad, never-commited patch I found was http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1645 Opened in August 2003, it has been updated regulary till January 2005.
18:43:00barrywardellwould anyone mind if I did a cvs add for all the target/arm/apple/ipod* subdirs? it would make diffing much much easier
18:43:51barrywardelli won't do an actual commit until it has all been tested of course
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18:44:37tiflos...
18:45:16*Davide-NYC totally overwhelmed by all the good stuff on archive.org. failing to find something suitable.
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18:46:51Soaptrim a flac to three minutes.
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18:47:58SoapIt would be useful to have an "album" selected which, even when encoded to 128kbps mp3/ogg/aac/etc. would still be large enough to more than fill the buffer on an iPod with the 64 meg patch.
18:48:12Soapso as to do runtime tests with.
18:49:18SoapDoesn't have to be something you enjoy listening to, just something we can distribute w/o legal problems.
18:51:16MHenrehi linuxstb
18:51:28MHenlinuxstb: (Sorry for the delay) I sorted the patches by date. The sad, never-commited patch I found was http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1645 Opened in August 2003, it has been updated regulary till January 2005.
18:52:37senab@soap: with all the files in the same directory, the buffer will be filled anyway
18:53:39Soapsenab - I ment for the seperate runtime tests. Was just thinking we (as a community) should probably settle on a standard test group. Trying to kill two birds with one stone.
18:53:50senabtrue
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18:57:18barrywardellobo: just posted an updated patch
18:57:59senab@soap: the trouble with that, it would take ages to encode all the files are the various settings
18:58:42senabthe suppose flac & mpc could be taken out
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19:01:03obobarrywardell: built okay, about to test on target
19:01:09barrywardellgreat
19:01:37barrywardellit should run exactly as it did before the patch...hopefully
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19:03:07Soapsenab - that is why I was thinking once a "standar album" was decided upon, your encoder package, plus a link to the .flac files could be listed on the *Runtime wiki pages, no need to encode the whole thing for your tests, but encoding the whole thing in one encoder would be important for standardized runtime tests.
19:03:18Soap*standard
19:04:15senabi'd have to change the batch file to decode the flac to wav then
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19:04:49Davide-NYCI know it doesn't matter, but the audio (IMO) has to be recorded in a decent manner, from soundboard (no audience banter) and be lossless.
19:04:53Davide-NYCI think I found it
19:05:02Davide-NYChttp://www.archive.org/details/rad2006-09-16
19:05:14Davide-NYCThe Radiators in New Orleans this year.
19:05:16SoapDavide-NYC - I don't see how the source matters, as long as the tests are consistant.
19:05:31Davide-NYCIt's torture if the audio sucks
19:05:34Davide-NYCthere it is
19:05:39obobarrywardell: working fine so far
19:06:02Soaptorture for what? I don't supose someone is going to want to listen to the entire set 10-20 times while doing the test.
19:06:10barrywardellgreat. can you check the backlight, button, adc(battery), usb
19:06:10Davide-NYCI would.. LOL
19:06:42Davide-NYCanyways we want one track correct?
19:06:45obobarrywardell: all fine
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19:07:05senabdavide: no we're looking at an album
19:07:07barrywardellexcellend. now i just need to find people with other ipod models to test it
19:07:12barrywardellthanks obo
19:07:20Soap~ three minutes - can trim a track if need be for senab's boost tests.
19:07:24obono problem
19:07:55dan_abarrywardell: A 3G build gives me "settings.c:246: error: 'DEFAULT_CONTRAST_SETTING' undeclared here (not in a function)
19:08:20barrywardellah,ok. i have an easy fix for that
19:09:43Davide-NYCurghh, it's a double album. Plenty of three minute "tracks" though.
19:10:12barrywardelladd
19:10:13barrywardell#define DEFAULT_CONTRAST_SETTING 40 /* Match boot contrast */
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19:16:13Davide-NYCsenab: what is the next step?
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19:21:56senabwhats the link to the 3 minute track?
19:23:05Davide-NYChttp://www.archive.org/download/rad2006-09-16/rad2006-09-16.flac.d1t07.flac
19:23:14Davide-NYCI think that we're good to use this
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19:23:42Davide-NYC"Collection is from trade-friendly artists and is strictly noncommercial, both for access here and for any further distribution. "
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19:24:24Davide-NYCit's 2:17. Is that too short?
19:25:27senabshould be fine
19:25:40senabi'm just downloading it now
19:25:41linuxstbDavide-NYC: Why don't you choose a show where MP3 and Vorbis versions are already available for download?
19:26:07senabbecause its better if it's lossless
19:26:20barrywardelldan_a: can you try my suggested compile fix please?
19:26:22Davide-NYCI thought we wanted to do the encoding ourselves to insure a standardized set of files.
19:26:28linuxstbsenab: Lossless will be available as well.
19:26:34Soapthe reason linuxstb is asking that is to save the step for people doing runtime tests.
19:26:56dan_abarrywardell: It compiles, I'm just trying to figure out why Linux can't see my iPod
19:27:45senabruntime test?
19:28:04Davide-NYCcross-target [performance test
19:28:05Davide-NYC?
19:28:18barrywardellok
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19:29:59Soapsenab - I keep comming back to that - I think it would be a good step for a standard song to be used for your tests, and a standard album to be used for the seperate runtime tests.
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19:30:35Soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime
19:30:55Soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime
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19:31:18senabooooooooooh, you're on about battery runtime, i thought you were referring to something else
19:32:26Davide-NYCI get it now as well
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19:33:41linuxstbe.g. this show has FLAC, MP3 and Vorbis versions available for download: http://www.archive.org/details/michaelfranti2006-07-21.R-1SBD
19:33:46lamedhello. I'm reasking yesturday's unanswered question, does anyone knows why does the splash function uses fixed SPACE size?
19:35:24lamedmarkun: aruond?
19:35:54Davide-NYCI used to LOVE this band.http://www.archive.org/details/fishbone1985-12-27.flac16
19:36:00Davide-NYCFishbone in '85
19:36:10Davide-NYCLive in Cali... does that work?
19:36:27senabdavide: download again, senab.iddx.net/rockbox/codec_pack.zip">http://senab.iddx.net/rockbox/codec_pack.zip
19:36:47Davide-NYCk
19:37:16senabrename the flac to sample.flac, put it in the 'codec_pack' directory and start the batch file
19:37:23Soapohh fuck, I just added ID3 tags to a bunch of flac files, rockbox won't like that will it?
19:37:27senabthe patch for debug_menu.c is also in the zip
19:37:42Davide-NYCurghh, the notes say that it may have been FM or MP3 compressed before converstion to WAV (then flac) which sucks. Does it matter?
19:37:52Soapno
19:37:54linuxstbbarrywardell: I've just noticed you've created lots of ipod target-tree directories in CVS... Does that mean you're about to commit?
19:38:11barrywardellnot yet
19:38:22Davide-NYCSoap: I suspected.
19:38:51Davide-NYCIMO 1985 live fishbone is perfectly querky.
19:39:00senabdavide: maybe, if it has hiss/metallic artifacts in there then the bitrate will spike
19:39:00barrywardelli posted about it earlier. it made diffing much much easier and those directories are gonna be created soon anyway
19:39:08Davide-NYChmm
19:39:43senabif it sounds decent though, then it should be fine
19:39:53barrywardelllinuxstb: although once i get the patched on all ipods i think it is near ready to commit
19:40:41Dma-Sci really wonder what could be wrong with my reset button, it seems in place and soldered ok : http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h120reset1bj6.png http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h120reset2ll2.png
19:42:09Davide-NYCI got it. I really do.
19:42:19senabgot what?
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19:44:15Davide-NYCFishbone 1999.
19:44:40Davide-NYC(lol) I'm sorry I'm having such a good time with this... my first time with archive.org
19:44:42Davide-NYChttp://www.archive.org/details/fishbone1999-05-14.flac16
19:45:53*lamed keeps l00king where's the sprintf implementation for the second day
19:46:38Davide-NYCsenab: not only is it almost exactly 3min, it's a good song. http://www.archive.org/download/fishbone1999-05-14.flac16/fishbone1999-05-14d2t06.flac
19:49:01senabi think i'll create a twiki page for this
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19:53:38Davide-NYCsenab: can you make the batch file chack to see if the sample file is already a wav or not?
19:53:57Davide-NYCif flac convert, if wav set file=sample.wav
19:54:29Davide-NYCIn case people want to use their own files from other lossles format and know how to convert to wav already
19:54:42Davide-NYCactually I say just force wav input.
19:55:48senabtrue, hang on
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19:57:21corevettecan anyon here answer a question?
19:59:03bluebrothercorevette, depends on the question. Just ask.
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20:06:01senabDavide: i've updated the batch file
20:06:10senabnow checks for a flac file & wav
20:06:31Davide-NYCawesome
20:06:39Davide-NYCencoding now
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20:13:30corevetteis there a way to speed up the games in rockboy?
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20:23:08squallhi all
20:23:48squallcould someone help me??
20:24:14ender`maybe
20:24:15Davide-NYCmaybe.. .what the prob?
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20:24:44squalli want to run zx spectrum on rockbox
20:25:33squallbut i cant find how to run a patches on rocbox
20:25:54ender`do you know how to compile rockbox?
20:26:20squallhmmm no
20:26:38Davide-NYCsenab left?
20:26:59squallso this is my problem??
20:27:11squalli must compile it
20:27:14squall?
20:27:16ender`patches are for the rockbox source
20:27:45squalli see
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20:28:43squalli need some program to do it??
20:29:20bluebrothersquall, you need a complete build environment. See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
20:29:36squallok thanks wm
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20:42:41Davide-NYCwhat does it mean when I try to make in the VMWare player and it says that it cannot dothe "WPS magic"?
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20:43:20Davide-NYCExact error == "No wps module present, can't do the WPS magic!"
20:43:31nudelyn2http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-02/0012.shtml
20:43:43nudelyn2looks like you just need to checkout an extra thing from cvs
20:45:50Davide-NYCnudelyn2: thanks! I think that'll do it
20:46:05nudelyn2no problem
20:46:54lamedany ipod video holders around here? I see a big problem around the splash function. haven't anyone noticed?
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20:50:03lamedI'm trying to save up on memory and I need something that can go higher then 320. I see only unsigned int and unsigned short int answer that description. what's the diffrence between those? (I mean, they have the same exact boundery - 0 to 65535, and i would have expect short int to be smaller?)
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20:51:36niskellamed: byte <= short <= int <= long <= long long, other than that, nothing is guaranteed
20:51:50Davide-NYCI don't thing senab's patch changed what is displayed in my debug−−>view audio thread menu
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20:53:33lamedunsigned int 0 to 65535
20:53:40lamedunsigned short int 0 to 65535
20:53:48lamedhttp://tigcc.ticalc.org/doc/keywords.html
20:54:04peturlamed: all depends on the platform
20:54:12lameda mistake maybe?
20:54:20niskellamed: short <= int as I said
20:54:23peturon 32bit processors, int = 32bit, short = 16bit
20:54:42lamedhmm. what are the bounderies on RB platforms? as in 16bit?
20:54:50petur32bit afaik
20:55:22lamed65535 / 2?
20:55:35petur2^32
20:55:40lamedhmm
20:55:45peturunsigned int that is
20:55:50lamedand 2^16 for short
20:55:53peturyes
20:55:58lamedtt
20:56:39peturmake a splash that prints out sizeof(int) ;)
20:58:25Davide-NYCignore my previous comment ^^^
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21:03:53lamedchar = 1, short = 2, int = 4, long = 4, long long = 8
21:06:03peturwhat I expected
21:06:16lamedthat means I can use unsigned short to the same boundery as a signed int, right?
21:06:30petureh?
21:06:32lamedhigh boundery
21:06:38peturno way
21:07:03petur2^16 != 2^31
21:07:16lamedI mean unsigned short goes from 0 to whatever signed int is
21:07:37petursigned takes one bit away, not half of them
21:08:12peturmax unsigned short = 2^16, max signed int = 2^31
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21:08:36peturit's about the same, with a small error ;)
21:08:40lamedlisten, I mean the _value_ of the number. I don't care about negative numbers.
21:09:00peturI listen but you don't....
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21:10:43lamedyou are right. I got confused with signed and unsigned, switching with the ^power factor
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21:11:31peturgotta run, bbl
21:11:53lamedcya, 10x again
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21:34:06Davide-NYCSoap: senab left huh? I have a good simple WPS for users that want to do testing.
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22:02:14karimhi
22:05:27*linuxstb hopes squall realises zxbox is part of CVS Rockbox now
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22:09:55karimlinuxstb, what is it ?
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22:10:01karimoh xz spectrum
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22:10:31kariman amiga 500 or atari st emulator would be awesome
22:11:04karimI have seen a lib that emulate 68k on coldfire
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22:12:03Dma-Sc68000 + atari/amiga soundsystems emulation would be sweet to replay tunes ;)
22:12:32karimit catches the interupts on unavailble functions from 68k and replace them with equivalent coldfire code.
22:13:43karimDma-Sc, I don't know how the sound could be emulated.
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22:14:22karimmaybe with a lib that do the same thing. Maybe this could be stollen from some open source emulator
22:14:29Dma-Sckarim : for the st it's a ym2149 soundchip and for amiga it's the specific digital one paula
22:14:44karimyes I remember also the name.
22:14:55karimthough atari ste had another sound chip
22:15:01karimand a blitter
22:15:07karimlike the amiga
22:15:38karimanyway I got that ffmeg to make work
22:15:46karim+p
22:16:01karimI still don't know why compile fail
22:16:19Dma-Scyeah the ste got additional dma chip for digital sound but it's still less advanced than the paula, same for blitter afaik
22:17:15nudelyn2problem with emulating amiga music is a lot of the tracker formats are the same but the effects mean different things
22:17:36nudelyn2bunch of my amiga music won't all play correctly in anything (but some thing are correct in some players etc.0
22:18:12nudelyn2don't know what percentage of tracks it's likely to matter for
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22:19:15Dma-Scwell for tracker formats it shouldn't be a problem with good libraries which can reconize old tracker headers and replay the tune accordingly, but to port those on rockbox is another matter :)
22:19:39Dma-Scbut for those it's not really emulation anyway
22:20:06Dma-Scamiga emulation would be more for synth based tunes
22:20:44karimDma-Sc, the ste chip could play 6 12 24 44 mhz digital sounds in stereo directly, but that's all it could do. if you wanted 4 tracks trackers then you needed to mux two channels. Any way it was still way better than st situation, where digital sound was really a trick, and very cpu consuming.
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22:21:32Dma-Sckarim : yeah i know that, i'm in an atari-demogroup actualy ;)
22:21:53barrywardelldan_a: that last wm8731 recording patch was
22:21:57barrywardellhorribly wrong
22:22:21barrywardelli just copied it from ipl, but looking at the spec sheet, it won't work
22:22:30Dma-Sckarim : but as a musician only, not a coder, so i'm not a real expert
22:22:58*barrywardell realises dan_a isn't actually here
22:22:59karimDma-Sc, ??? they do demo for wich target ?
22:23:14Dma-Scfor st
22:24:22karimlol
22:24:38karimwhy ?
22:25:04Dma-Sccheck this one for example : http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=11223
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22:29:08karimDma-Sc, are you french ?
22:29:13Dma-Scyup
22:29:49karimmoi aussi
22:30:10karimc'est pouet qui m'a mis la puce a l'oreille
22:30:17amiconnmirror world?
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22:30:32karimdonc sur le st tu peux faire de la 3d texturée ?
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22:30:55karimyou can do textured 3D ?
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22:31:10Dma-Sckarim : better talk french in private i guess ;)
22:31:11karimmipmaped 3D I think it's called.
22:31:32karimDma-Sc, what's the last discovery technically on the st ?
22:31:43Dma-Scah no private chat on this server ok ;)
22:31:52karimDma-Sc, you need to be regsitered
22:32:21Dma-Scwell st can do 3d mapped stuff, but of course there's a trick most of the time
22:33:43Dma-Scbut the last advanced code is mostly about textured 3d yes, several coders did their routs, all with more or less precalculation and more or less obvious ones ;)
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22:47:22YonoI'd like to help out on the wiki
22:47:46Yonomy wikiname is JasonSchapiro if anyone is interested in granting me the rights
22:47:49Yonothank you.
22:49:29markunYono: done
22:49:36Yonomarkun: thank you
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22:52:08lamedah.. wikirights?! nice joke.. nm. markum: remember the hebrew backwards sentence bug on FS?
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22:52:41markunlamed: yes
22:53:14lamedwell, I'm working on it and I wanted to have someone to consult before submitting:
22:53:26markunok, do you have a patch?
22:53:36lamed1st, i've found some small bug for big screens but it's fixed.
22:54:23lamed2nd, what i did was I made a new line buffer. every splashed line is buffered and displayed as one line, hence hebrew sentences keep the correct order.
22:55:07lamedweirdly enough, the code had a constant SPACE define of 3 pixels. this had to be changed to a normal space.
22:55:29lamedI was wondering if this was because of small lcds such as the recorder. i can't think of any other reason.
22:56:05markunI have no idea why the space width was hardcoded
22:56:10markunmaybe it's in the cvs logs
22:56:15lamednope
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22:57:35FaugnI'm having problems compiling the lastest cvs Rockbox version for ihp120
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22:58:01FaugnI get an error in libfadd, for tns.c
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22:58:21Faugnan internal compiler error
22:58:25amiconnFaugn: What's your m68k-elf-gcc version?
22:58:53amiconnThere is a bug in m68k-elf-gcc up to 3.4.4, fixed in 3.4.5 and up
22:59:03FaugnGNU assembler 2.16/m68k-elf-gcc (GCC) 3.4.1
22:59:04amiconnThe recommended version is 3.4.6 ...
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22:59:27momusudreamhello
22:59:42Faugnmmm, ok, I tried the latest binutils/gcc version, but I get some command line errors
22:59:52karimif I want to use other wps do I have to just unzip them, or do I need special rockbox builds ?
22:59:55Faugnon the processor selection switches
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23:00:05Faugnwhich version of binutils do you use?
23:00:14amiconn2.16.1
23:00:17Faugnok
23:00:18Faugnthanks
23:00:30FaugnI recompile my build env and try again
23:00:50amiconngcc 4.0.x should work too, but produces (according to tests done some time ago) slower code than 3.4.x
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23:01:00amiconnI don't know about 4.1
23:01:00lamed(so I'll just go with it, it looks fine on the recorders so there's no real reason I guess.) 3rd, I have a few small problems that keeps me from diffing a patch that i'll describe in a moment, and 4th, the whole code under splash.c is delt in a pretty awkward manner, I think using strtok_r creates the most mess (but I don't have a better idea).
23:01:31Faugnamiconn: ok, thanks
23:01:41momusudreami suppose there's not a rockbox for the archos 402cc >_<
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23:02:27amiconnlamed: You don't necessarily need a separate line buffer. Check how I've done the help display in solitaire...
23:02:37amiconnIt also uses strtok_r
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23:03:26EV|ServerI got this stupid ipod photo, the 30gb. I keep getting the sad face icon, but if I hit it on something, then restart it comes back to life. Is this a hard drive problem I can fix by getting a new drive for it?
23:04:57lamedamiconn: without looking at your work (and so much work that is!!) the reason for a buffer is to keep hebrew sentences with the correct order. what corrently happends is hebrew sentence like "I ate a cat" would be displayed "cat a ate I". does help display screen solves this?
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23:05:13amiconnI know
23:05:24amiconnThe solitaire help display wouldn't have that problem
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23:07:49lamedamiconn: am looking, it's long. could you explain the idea behind the algorithm?
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23:08:39amiconnThe formatting to line width is done in init_help()
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23:10:00davenevening everyone
23:10:14amiconnIt's not very long. The basic idea is to use strtok_r like splash(), but put back the space (and hence re-concatenate the string) as long as the word fits in the current line
23:10:52amiconnThe paragraph part of the logic is of course not needed in splash()
23:10:57davensorry about the drive-by support question, but: can fdisk be used to re-format an iPod to use fat32?
23:11:22amiconnThere is a drawback in this simple implementation though - there must never be 2 consecutive spaces in the string
23:11:48amiconnI'm sure this can be solved with a little more thinking if it is a problem
23:13:54lamedwell you tell me, I don't think there are any strings that have more then one space throughout the language files. but it doesn't sound smart to me to be using a 'fragile' code
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23:14:14lamed(in splash() )
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23:17:33lamedto be honest I still don't undestand how your code deals with backwarding the hebrew sentences back to a logical condition, but if you say it does I might rewrite splash() using your function, only if we agree its good enough and won't cause any problems.
23:18:23Faugnok, binutils-2.16.1+gcc-3.4.6 worked fine, thanks for the help!
23:18:34lamed(amiconn)
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23:19:31amiconnlamed: It doesn't need to specially deal with hebrew; it's sufficient to output the whole line at once instead of word-by-word
23:20:21amiconnThe basic idea (both in splash() and the solitaire help) is to tokenise the string into words
23:21:07amiconnThe difference is that splash() displays these words individually, always putting them left-to-right, while lcd_putsxy() is rtl-aware
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23:21:39amiconnThat means that the direction of the words itself is correct for hebrew (and arabic etc), but the word order is wrong
23:22:04amiconnThe solitaire help also tokenises, but then concatenates the words again, and each line is displayed as a whole
23:23:53amiconnThere's another basic idea to deal with the break-into-lines problem, used in the text viewer
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23:26:38Proquestion: possible to change rockbox boot image on ipod?
23:26:44Prowithout recompiling etc
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23:27:40Prok
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23:28:11lamedhm...
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23:34:17lamedamiconn: maybe, should we have a widget for tokenising and concatenating strings? iirc every game has it's own way to go around this problem now.
23:34:39Proa boot image changer would be more useful
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23:48:16lamedall that hard work, and I didn't know I could next[-1] = ' '; .... tt amiconn, that's a great function. but I guess I'll have to take a look at the viewer as well to undestand how it's done with a few spaces.
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