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#rockbox log for 2006-10-02

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01:23:45Davide-NYCI want ot post an anti-gaming on DAPs rant on the forums, but there is no "Flame On!" section. Where can I find a soapbox to shout from?
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01:25:42*box points to Soap
01:25:54blahhhplaying games on daps is just a gimmick really
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01:29:42Davide-NYCWhere would it go?
01:29:50Davide-NYCGeneral Discussion?
01:29:53Davide-NYC(nah)
01:30:17Davide-NYCPlugins/Viewers?
01:30:29*box sighs and returns to his former self
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01:32:27lameddavide-nyc : what player?
01:32:50Davide-NYCare you asking me what target I own?
01:32:53Davide-NYCH1x0
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01:34:01lamedthen misticriver is the place. that's where normally stupid things go
01:34:43scorcheouch..
01:38:10Davide-NYCcome on you can't tell me doom is playable even on a 5G iPod
01:38:57markunDavide-NYC: I like sudoku on my h120
01:39:17linuxstbDavide-NYC: Doom is an exception, but all the other games are very playable.
01:39:59linuxstbGame developers are not suddenly going to stop developing games and work on the WMA decoder...
01:40:06Davide-NYCI understand that. It's a rant. It's an opinion rant. I've been feeling this way for months. I want to get it out and be done with it. If it must be on MR.com that's where it'll be.
01:40:22Davide-NYCrant mode off.
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01:40:40blahhhif people want to play games they should really go get a psp / ds
01:40:48blahhhthey're far better
01:41:02linuxstbWhy is Sudoku better on a PSP?
01:41:39blahhhi guess you could play that on a dap if you really wanted to
01:42:53linuxstbThankyou.
01:43:06blahhhi personally don't see the point though
01:43:16blahhhit'd interest me for maybe a couple of days, then it wouldn't get used again
01:43:40blahhhbut i don't have much of an interest in casual games i guess
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01:48:55TheDHhello
01:49:15TheDHwhat makes the ipod battery life not as good as the apple firmware, is it a processor issue/
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01:50:22hcslinuxstb: something worth noting, I think: without HAS_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ playback will stutter when scrolling continuously, with it playback is steady by scrolling gets all choppy
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01:50:42hcsby stutter I mean more like "stop"
01:51:02lamedwhen I didn't had then, i thought they'll be a great time killers, but then when I had them. they where not that great... anyhow, my real plan was making a special remote that will give you all the missing directions and actions while using rockboy, that's very possible and I have already modified the button driver to be fit for that, but now my h dies and I'm still trying to replace it with something... It might
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01:51:43lamednonetheless, eventually, it will kick ass.
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01:52:38lamedand then you wouldn't be complaining about badass games.
01:52:42lameduntill then
01:52:49lamedg'nite
01:52:55blahhhnn
01:53:20lamedhappy fast for all the jews
01:53:28TheDHlol
01:53:29TheDHi didn
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01:54:02Joelyoh my....this sansa is sooo beautiful naked ;)
01:54:09TheDHhaha
01:54:14TheDHwhat size did you get
01:54:29Joelyheh, 2 gig
01:54:29Joelyhaha
01:54:38TheDHo
01:54:39TheDHheh
01:54:42Joelymy mom wouldn't let me get any higher if i was taking it apart
01:54:48TheDHtaking it apart?
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01:54:59Joelyyeah yeah! for jtag connector
01:55:20TheDHlolo
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01:55:21TheDHlol
01:55:24TheDHnice
01:55:28TheDHdont break it
01:55:31TheDH:-D
01:55:31Joelyi now need to find a 7 pin header....because i don't want to mess up this little board
01:55:32linuxstbhcs: That doesn't make any sense... Sounds like something odd in the new scheduler.
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01:55:50JoelyTheDH, haha yeah...really eeeek
01:55:58TheDHjoeborn are you from chicago
01:56:28Joelyomg just like me!
01:56:32Joelysame dsl
01:56:32Joelyhaha
01:56:39TheDHyour from chicago too?
01:56:48Joelyyup
01:56:51TheDHhah
01:56:52TheDHsame
01:56:52hcslinuxstb: I know, it sounds backwards, but that's what I experience
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02:00:10hcslinuxstb: have we tried leaving the #define in but handicapping set_cpu_frequency, to see if some other effect of HAS_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ might be the problem?
02:02:19linuxstbNo, but that's worth trying.
02:02:27hcsI'm on it
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02:02:48hcsI'm forcing ipod_set_cpu_frequency at the beginning, though
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02:06:13Joely*poke* Mr Bagder ?? (or anyone else..) has anyone figured out the pinout of the 7 pin JTAG for the sansa e200? i'm ready to make a jtag wiggler! hehe, i've got my gschem and my catalog from newark in one!
02:06:56linuxstbIt's 2am in Sweden - I doubt Bagder is here...
02:07:01Joelyohhh
02:07:54hcslinuxstb: is there a particular codec/wps/etc. that you use to encourage fast crashing?
02:08:18linuxstbI always use FLAC, but that's just because all my music is in that format. It's probably not a good test, as it rarely boosts.
02:08:32hcsok, I'm using high bitrate mp3
02:08:36Paul_The_Nerdhcs: I believe most people complaining of problems are using MP3s.
02:08:56hcsjust wondered if there was anything faster
02:09:14linuxstbI wouldn't read anything into that though - I expect most people are using MP3s...
02:09:22Paul_The_NerdYeah
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02:09:48Paul_The_NerdI wonder if you could trigger it just by manually toggling boost on and off from the debug menu repeatedly
02:09:56Paul_The_NerdThen you'd actually know if it happens on boost or unboost even
02:10:17hcslinuxstb: with HAVE_ADJUSTIBLE_CPU_FREQ but a return at the beginning of set_cpu_frequency I get the nice scroll behavio
02:10:27hcs*behavior, that is no skipping
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02:21:15DrMoreaulinuxstb: do you know which routing reads the MBR?
02:21:20DrMoreauroutine that is
02:21:26DrMoreaudamn.. i hate this kybd
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02:26:36linuxstbDrMoreau: disk_init()
02:28:33DrMoreaulinuxstb: thats what i thought.. but i dont see a sector count in that routine
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02:29:58DrMoreaulinuxstb: nm i see it - pinfo[i].size = BYTES2INT32(ptr, 12)
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02:44:48hcslinuxstb: I stand by my observation, tried with and without HAVE_... with same track and no other change, without skips
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03:58:54hcslinuxstb: if I'm reading the guess comments in set_cpu_frequency correctly, we're switching to 24MHz, changing the speed of an oscillator, and then switching back to that; if so, why not just switch between the adjustable oscillator (which we'd leave fast) and the 24MHz one?
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04:20:23karimlinuxstb, I can't build ffmpeg with my hown makefile
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04:31:11hcslinuxstb: the modification I suggested is in use now, if nothing else it runs
04:38:36Joelyis this the jtag on the sansa? and when is it a normal time in sweden? http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/6871/sansatc1.png
04:39:02hcsit's never normal time in sweden, they're crazy
04:39:11scorcheJoely: it is 4:30 AM right now in sweden
04:39:13Joelyhaha awww
04:39:15scorcheerr..4
04:39:17scorche0
04:39:28hcs</ignorantAmerican>
04:39:30Joelyhmmm maybe if i stay up all night mr bagder will come around
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04:46:41ryanpgso my buddy is a rio karma owner, but it's going to die soon we're convinced... what current mp3 player do you guys suggest? I think one can find iriver h10s on the shelf still right?
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04:47:11hcslinuxstb: I stuck the version I'm currently running on flyspray
04:47:23zeryanpg: is it the HD going? if so why not just upgrade it? heh
04:47:33Paul_The_Nerdryanpg: I think the general consensus in here is that if you're going to pick a Rockboxable player, the X5 is a pretty solid choice among still on sale targets.
04:48:00ryanpgze, he already did once :P
04:48:04zeheh
04:48:56ryanpgPaul_The_Nerd, cool... btw I have an M5... I can't code at all, but darn it's gotta be trivial to port rockbox from the x5 to the m5
04:49:35ryanpgone guy was on the list saying he was going to attempt an m5 port but that was months ago and I haven't heard anything since :(
04:50:11ryanpgis there a "rio karma vs. rockbox" table around somewhere, I'd like to show my buddy :D
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05:18:44secleinteerdoes anyone know if it's possible to turn off peak meters in a wps w/o really knowing how to make/mod them?
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05:30:33Paul_The_Nerdsecleinteer: The mod to remove peakmeters is pretty simplistic. See the CustomWPS page in the wiki, the whole WPS code is mostly rather simple.
05:30:45secleinteerk
05:30:48secleinteerthx for the help
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06:11:14stevenmHello. Anyone mind a MIDI commit real fast? 1 file, hopefully no breakage
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06:56:02stevenmHello. Just commited something, had a warning, fixed warning (deleted that code), recommited
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06:56:14stevenmWeb CVS view shows the offending code removed.
06:56:24stevenmBut the build page still shows the same warning, on the same line.
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07:03:37midkay_is it unrelated?
07:03:47midkay_probably the result of different gcc versions on different servers.
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07:04:07stevenmmidkay, reports warning that a variable is used but not initialized
07:04:49midkaydoesn't seem like you removed the offending code, rather some other code perhaps?
07:05:06stevenmmidkay, that code was leftover, committed too soon. I deleted that whole segment, see?
07:05:08stevenmhttp://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/midi/synth.c.diff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13
07:05:25midkayi see that, you removed something. but is that something what's causing the error? it'd seem not.
07:06:18stevenmit is complaining about an uninitialized variable 's' on line 285
07:06:20stevenmin synth.c
07:06:52midkayviewcvs doesn't show line numbers unfortunately. why don't you check the latest synth.c and see what exactly is on line 285?
07:07:09stevenmlook at that link- there should no longer be any reference to 's' in that block..
07:07:26stevenmat this point, line 285 is a single }
07:07:38midkaythat is weird, i dunno.
07:08:17stevenmwell alright, maybe it'll resolve itself next time someone makes a change. cvs is acting very slowly for some reason. Oh well, i will just sent it up again tomorrow if it still is a problem
07:08:23stevenmthanks anyway
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07:24:49mattjunxI have a question regarding rockbox on the ipod
07:25:13mattjunxthe bootloader patch; how would you apply it using linux?
07:25:24mattjunxor even using wine
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07:26:48sneakumsmattjunx: there's a page that covers i nstallation from Linux
07:27:01sneakumsmattjunx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
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07:27:17mattjunxoh thanks
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08:16:01tecnicais there anybody who can help?
08:17:28Joelyi can try to help if you ask :-D
08:17:38SlasheriBagder: btw, regarding the thing that rockbox mailing list digest mode does not work, did you verify that qrunner is really running as daemon?
08:18:07Slasherimailman requires it to be running
08:18:50tecnicai read the manual abt flashing my h10 and did according to it but it just dun work out
08:21:39Joelywhich version of the h10 do you have?
08:21:50tecnica5gb
08:21:57tecnicathink is the UMS one?
08:22:30Joelywait, you don't know if it is?
08:22:44tecnicahow do i confirm?
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08:23:12tecnicacause i forgot which fw i actually dl long time ago
08:24:07Joelyi think the us version is MTP but you can make it UMS if you hold the O button as it boots up i think
08:24:17Joelyhaha i said `i think' twice
08:24:20Joelyit's late here
08:24:25Joely /early
08:24:29tecnicayap! i think it is UMS
08:25:12tecnicak, the problem is i uploaded the bootloader and the daily build(021006) but it still load the original fw
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08:51:39scorchebarrywardell: have your fixed your target tree patch yet?
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08:52:17amiconnmidkay: viewcvs does show line numbers if you select the correct option (annotate)
08:52:59midkayamiconn: i actually looked at the options and thought it might, just didn't feel like going through them all.
08:53:44amiconnHmm, stevenm left and didn't fix the yellow :/
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08:54:13midkayit almost seems wrong, as he said there isn't any reference to "s" on that line anymore.
08:54:31amiconnIt is common that compiler warnings about uninitialised variables trigger on the colsing brace
08:54:49amiconnThe warning doesn't mean 's' isn't used
08:54:52midkayhm, i've never seen it before..
08:55:10midkayno, but it still points to that line number and 's' isn't even mentioned on that line.
08:55:22amiconnYes of course
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08:55:41amiconnThe closing brace triggers a couple of warnings regarding the whole function
08:55:57midkayas i said, never seen it before...
08:56:27amiconnThis warning means that the value of 's' is used within the function before it has a clearly defined value
08:58:29amiconnHmm, it's not the closing brace of the function...
08:59:15midkayamiconn: i understand the warning and i've seen that before. i have not seen the compiler point to the closing brace of a *function* that had an uninitialized variable.
08:59:48midkayespecially when that happens to be the same exact line number that the warning was on before.. seems glitched or wrong to me. *shrugs*
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09:09:45PaulJamSlasheri: there seems to be still problems while importing the runtimedata into tagcache: 1. the tagcache_changelog.txt isn't imported automatically when (re-)building the db, but i'm not sure if it is supposed to do that when tagcache is kept on disk.
09:11:01SlasheriPaulJam: currently dircache and tagcache loading to ram and automatic updating is required for the automatic import to take action
09:13:07PaulJam2. when importing the changes manually with the menu item "import changes" it doesnt import the whole file. it stops importing at a random point in the file, i have tried it several times, and everytime it imported a diferen amount of tracks (the range was from 240 to ~1000 with ~1600 files in the tagcache changelog file).
09:13:49SlasheriPaulJam: hmm, that sounds weird
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09:14:46SlasheriPaulJam: are you sure that file path of some files has not changed?
09:14:46PaulJambefore you fixed the issue with the long lines it imported the whole file (after removing the too long lines).
09:14:59Slasheribecause currently files with changed path are not imported
09:15:15Slasheriah.. lets see if i can see a bug in the code
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09:17:11PaulJami have changed the path of some files (< 20) but that wouldnt explain why it always imports a different amount even if i haven't changed anything on the disk (except for removing the .tcd files to rebuild the db)
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09:19:06SlasheriPaulJam: ah.. there seems to be a bug in the fast readline code
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09:19:30Slasherior possible bug, but that shouldn't be triggered normally
09:19:45Slasheriit will only trigger is the changelog is modified with a windows text editor
09:19:54Slasheri*if
09:21:04Slasherihmm, in fact i was wrong.. no bug yet, still looking
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09:21:45PaulJamcould be that i did that, but the lineendings are still only LF (if that's what you meant)
09:23:06Slasheriyep, hmm interesting
09:23:16Slasheriare you sure they really are plain LF?
09:23:48Slasheriother possible thing could be automatic word wrap
09:27:49PaulJamaccording to notepad2 it has only LF endings, if you want i can send you the file.
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09:37:26PaulJamhmm, if i set tagcache to use ram and enable autoupdate and then rebuild the db, the whole changelog gets imported
09:38:08PaulJamso the automatic importing seems to work as it should.
09:38:10SlasheriPaulJam: hmm.. and if you try to manually import the same file, it doesn't import all data?
09:38:31PaulJamyes
09:39:18Slasheriweird.. maybe it has some bugs when tagcache is kept on disk
09:40:09SlasheriPaulJam: could you try the following: load tagcache to ram without automatic update and import changelog manually
09:40:24PaulJamok, i'll try that.
09:40:27Slasherigood
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09:47:03PaulJamwith tagcache in ram (and autoupdate disabled) the whole file gets imported
09:47:17PaulJam(on manual import)
09:47:30Slasheriok, so the problem happens only with the disk mode then
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10:09:07linuxstbLooks like the build system built the wrong files on the last commit - i.e. the files before the commit that triggered the build. Same thing happened to me about a week ago.
10:10:02linuxstbChecking ~rbclient/apps/plugins/midi/synth.c on my build server shows it is still at revision 1.12
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10:14:35jhMikeS*boing*
10:17:15jhMikeShope I got frequency setting for the uda1380 right the first time
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10:18:37barrywardellhi scorche: fixed that patch if you can try it
10:18:44scorchei can
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10:19:35*petur reminds himself not to update his iriver before the recording he's going to make tonight
10:20:55*jhMikeS says there's a whole new recording update ready for some serious s71t ... who wants to test?
10:21:33peturwhat's changed?
10:21:37jhMikeSeverything
10:21:43*linuxstb cries after resyncing his ipod recording code...
10:22:08jhMikeSI've been working hard in my lair
10:22:26jhMikeSlinuxstb: not really everything! It might not be too bad
10:23:07peturjhMikeS: please make sure it's stable before committing.... some people find recording more important than playback
10:23:33jhMikeSpetur: I need testing on iRiver for the sample rate stuff first
10:23:41peturspdif?
10:23:49jhMikeSThe software part is stable
10:24:07*barrywardell cries a little too
10:24:08jhMikeSpetur: spdif and normal recording and playback for cf
10:24:25barrywardelllinuxstb: i recorded on my H10 last night :)
10:24:30linuxstbbarrywardell: Maybe we should commit it quickly before jhMikeS...
10:24:50peturhahahaha
10:24:54peturgo go go
10:24:57pondlifeme fires a pistol
10:25:00pondlifeOops
10:25:11jhMikeSlinuxstb: go ahead...:) Just wondering what you added stuff to
10:25:19*pondlife never could tell a joke
10:25:26jhMikeS;)
10:25:34linuxstbpcm_record.c is the place where conflicts are likely
10:25:49theli_uahm ... anyone can help me with using gdb/ddd/kdbg with for debugging plugins on simulator builds?
10:25:52scorchebarrywardell: alright...it builds this time...which functions were i testing again?
10:25:52linuxstbThat file assumes Coldfire is the only recording target...
10:25:53jhMikeSlinuxstb: that changed entirely for the new ways the buffer works
10:25:59linuxstbExactly...
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10:26:23jhMikeSBut this reaches the menus and the codecs too...the codec model is changed
10:26:26barrywardellscorche: backlight, usb, button, adc
10:26:37jhMikeSand the statusbar icons of course
10:27:04linuxstbThe only changes to the codecs are to fix endian issues in the WAV codec. The other codecs don't work either, but I haven't investigated yet.
10:27:51linuxstbIronically, the only part of the recording code that does any endian-ness checks is about the only place they are not needed - the Coldfire DMA handler...
10:27:56jhMikeSlinuxstb: is the iPod big or little endian?
10:28:12linuxstbLittle.
10:28:59jhMikeSlinuxstb: are samples received little endian already?
10:29:28barrywardelljhMikeS: the ipod/h10 recording patch is here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6096
10:29:29linuxstbYes. IMO, the PCM buffer should store the samples in host-endian format.
10:29:48linuxstb(the same as the playback PCM buffer)
10:30:27pondlifepetur: by the way, please don't get upset that I reset the "Priority" of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6061 to Normal.... just tidying up the 3 or so that were not- Normal. Severity is of course still High.
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10:31:39pondlifeApart from JDGordon (who I never seem to share a time zone with), who else knows the menu code?
10:32:18pondlifeI wonder if stack overflows are causing some of the more intermittent crashes. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6010 definitely is one.
10:32:52pondlifeIt's quite easy to accidentally consume some stack on the UI's thread....
10:32:58aliaskJdGordon is in my time zone, I guess he's just busy with uni a bit lately.
10:33:35scorchepondlife: he should be around about this time...he is in australia
10:34:00pondlifeSo no-one else knows how onplay.c works..? ;-)
10:34:21*pondlife sees no volunteers
10:34:24scorchebarrywardell: looks good...no issues
10:34:53jhMikeSlinuxstb: that doesn't look so bad really in terms of conflict
10:35:11pondlifeIn other news, does anyone else have reproducible white noise problems on playback (maybe crossfade related)?
10:35:15barrywardellgreat thanks scorche. now i just need to find people with 3g, 4g, and mini to test it...anyone?
10:35:19aliaskpondlife: Isn't most of it just calls to menu code?
10:35:42pondlifeYes, but it shouldn't try to recurse like that.
10:35:53aliaskWhich target for the white noise btw?
10:36:17pondlifeDon't know, reported on forum as an iPod of some kind, and perhaps an H320. Not clear yet.
10:36:24jhMikeSlinuxstb: but it will conflict for sure
10:36:41pondlifeI'm a heavy crossfade user so am surprised I've not had it. Maybe it's a patched build too?
10:36:49aliaskpondlife: I've had white noise issues on a PP5020 (ipod mini 1g), but I suspect that to do with the CPU issues.
10:37:23pondlifeAh, maybe. Perhaps we are not spotting some kind of underrun properly.
10:37:43*aliask shrugs.
10:37:45jhMikeSI added a swap_odd_even32 inline function to system.h too
10:37:51linuxstbThe only time I've had white noise was when I was testing my recording patch, and I forgot to bump the config block version. I then got white noise whenever I tried to play any audio file. Resetting the settings fixed it.
10:37:59pondlifeI will hack my H340 to run in idle mode and see what happens.
10:38:46linuxstbBut that's probably unrelated to the occasional whitenoise problem mentioned in the forums.
10:39:09pondlifeAlso it appears that white noise may be co-incident with reports of metadata confusion where the WPS continues on the previous track with a playback position past the song length.
10:39:38pondlifeSmells like a bug to me, but I need clues to repro it.
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10:42:32aliaskpondlife: I don't think the sudoku one is a recursion bug, I've encountered it on my first or second generate.
10:42:37pondlifeAh, ok
10:44:33jhMikeSlinuxstb: go ahead and commit that, I think I can incorporate it with little difficulty
10:44:47PaulJampondlife: i have the problem that sometimes on a tracktransition the display remains on the old track and the new track is already playing (the time still counts up beyond the songlength) then after some time i hear a short loud screeching noise (i'm not sure if that is what you meant) and the second track continues from the beginning and the display changes to the correct track (but this was not with a cvs build)
10:45:13PaulJamplayer is a h300
10:45:17pondlifePaulJam: yes, that sound like the one
10:45:33pondlifeIs it rare?
10:46:13pondlifeAnd any idea which patches?
10:46:52PaulJamit doesn't happen if i listen to a playlist or a tagcache generated playlist, it only happened in combination with the random folder patch (so i thought this was related to this patch)
10:47:04pondlifeMost reports just say something like "play an album through, then after it completes navigate to a second album and play that".. I do that all the time with no trouble.
10:47:33pondlifeI rarely use playlists, apart from the internally generated one for a directory
10:48:02PaulJami currently have a cvs build installed, so i'll see if i can reproduce it here.
10:48:07pondlifeGreat
10:48:26pondlifeI don't think it's been put on Flyspray yet, but if we could get that ball rolling it would be good.
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10:49:13*pondlife likes fixing bugs (not adding new stuff)
10:50:27aliaskI have the WPS glitches occaisionally, but I've never had the screech (h300)
10:51:10jhMikeSplayback handles short files and skipping around on them very badly
10:51:19pondlifeIn what way?
10:51:24jhMikeSlockups
10:51:37pondlifeWhich device?
10:51:39jhMikeSI thinks I got a divx0 exception with wavpack
10:51:41jhMikeSx5
10:51:55linuxstbjhMikeS: I'm not quite ready to commit that patch yet - I only posted it to flyspray so others could help work on it. The earliest I could attempt to bring it up to scratch would be this evening (EU time).
10:51:55pondlifeAh, is it wavpack specific?
10:51:56jhMikeSI think #7 is divx0
10:52:26pondlifeI fixed a divx0 pcmbuf issue with crossfade not long ago.
10:52:30jhMikeSpondlife: I think it might be...others have mentioned a divx0 problem with wavpack
10:52:44pondlifeOK, I use only mp3 due to my Archos heritage
10:53:13jhMikeSlinuxstb: I can add endianness awareness to WAV with no problem
10:54:32linuxstbOK, thanks.
10:54:43peturI can add endianness problems to WAV with no awareness :)
10:54:44jhMikeSpeak calcs are no longer in the interrupt routine either
10:54:58peturno?
10:54:58pondlifeThe only playback problem I have seen recently is a failure to fill the codec buffer in a timely fashion when using a large shuffled playlist. This results in a long-ish pause (10 seconds)
10:55:02linuxstbFor the normal stereo case, you can just use ci->memcpy.
10:55:25peturjhMikeS: does this stop peakmeters during disk write again?
10:55:58linuxstbBTW, what happens if there are buffer overflows - i.e. the encoder can't keep up?
10:56:16jhMikeSpetur: never paid attention...but disk writes only occur during flushing unless you want every file flushed immediately
10:56:32jhMikeSthat wasn't quite accurate :)
10:58:23jhMikeS*checking that now *
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10:59:32jhMikeSnope...don't even notice the disk write without looking for the icon
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10:59:50peturnice!
10:59:55pondlifeAnyone else think a CPU boost icon would be useful...?
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11:00:14jhMikeSyou can start many files without hitting the disk too
11:00:30pondlife...or would it just be a flickering annoyance
11:00:45jhMikeSpondlife: not imho...and room is precious there no?
11:00:53peturpondlife: won't that increase cpu load to 100%? in that case it can be a static icon ;)
11:01:07linuxstbSpeaking of icons, squeezing the recording info into the status bar just looks silly on the large (220x176 and 320x240) LCDs...
11:01:42jhMikeSlinuxstb: an issue I had intended to cover...I think larger bitmaps would work there
11:02:06jhMikeSeven on x5 they're too small for the main lcd
11:02:09linuxstbWhy not just display it normally - i.e. as text.
11:02:26jhMikeSlinuxstb: could do that where room permits
11:03:26jhMikeSThe bitmaps are individial glyphs for numbers and 'k' now since there's so many different values to display
11:03:32aliaskMaybe on debug builds it may be useful.
11:03:58aliask^^ in regards to CPU boost icon
11:06:27jhMikeSI don't think I'll make major recording changes after this since the framework is pretty mature with my changes. It accomodates practically anything that an encoder might ever need to do in a stream.
11:08:02jhMikeSand for SWCODEC you select by format, not quality. Each encoder has it's own menu heirarchy that blends into the recording menu through "Encoder Settings"
11:08:06linuxstbDoes it handle a change of samplerate mid-stream?
11:08:44linuxstbI'm thinking of spdif.
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11:08:52jhMikeSlinuxstb: only when using spdif
11:09:01jhMikeSactually when you start recording only
11:10:04pondlifeI was only being half-serious about the boost icon by the way...
11:10:34jhMikeSa midstrem change would require checking the spdif sample rate every chunk too
11:11:34jhMikeSif you don't, you'll get off-rate samples in the old stream...but it could actually be done
11:12:00linuxstbIt's probably not important, it's just that I read a recent discussion of archiving the contents of DAT tapes, and one of the requirements for that task is to handle samplerate changes in the middle of a tape.
11:12:57linuxstbI don't know if other formats like MiniDisc have the same issue.
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11:13:07jhMikeSYou just need to mark the stream with a rate change flag and the encoder would have to be written to adapt to it.
11:13:39jhMikeSEvery chunk has a header with various flags for marking changes in the stream
11:17:39PaulJampondlife: have you read this tread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6739.0
11:19:00jhMikeSThe encoder can modify things during encode or when writin...the encoders do the file writing now too and have full control over what's written
11:19:49pondlifePaulJam: yes
11:20:17pondlifeUnable to reproduce any of it, despite trying for quite a while
11:20:17linuxstbjhMikeS: What about file splitting - could a codec start a new file?
11:20:41jhMikeSlinuxstb: yes but that's usually done by flushing
11:21:21linuxstbI'm just thinking that if the samplerate (or something else, like mono/stereo) changed mid-stream, the codec might want to start a new file.
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11:21:42pondlifeIs there anyway on Flyspray to list the tasks I'm watching?
11:21:48jhMikeSlinuxstb: technically WAV files can have multiple RIFF headers
11:21:54linuxstbpondlife: I don't think so.
11:21:58pondlifepity.
11:22:39jhMikeSlinuxstb: but yeah...that wouldn't be hard at all. the codec should probably start and close the files too but that's an easy change
11:23:06*amiconn is slightly puzzled :/
11:23:27jhMikeSamiconn: why so?
11:23:50Slasherilinuxstb: btw, do you happen to know where is the code to fill missing tags for the wps display?
11:24:10Slasherinow having searched for more than half an hour and didn't found it yet
11:24:12amiconnI have an emacified lcd_yuv_blit() for H300. According to the cycle count it _should_ be around 22% faster than the cvs version, however, I can't measure a difference (with mpegplayer)...
11:24:29Slasherifor example genre is changed to the base directory filename if genre tag is missing
11:24:57linuxstbamiconn: You haven't enabled any frame-skip/frame-limiting options by mistake?
11:25:03amiconnnope
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11:25:47linuxstbSlasheri: The WPS code itself doesn't do that - it's done using conditional markup in the .wps file itself.
11:26:02linuxstbi.e. "if the tag is blank show filename"
11:26:40Slasherilinuxstb: oh, that explains it then
11:27:00Slasherii just thought if there would be a function, tagcache could have used that also
11:27:32linuxstbI assume it's done in the .wps itself so users can adapt it to their directory structure.
11:27:34jhMikeSamiconn: I'm also puzzled by the remote lcd write code and the seemingly small cycle difference between the two write functions
11:27:46amiconnSlasheri: Imho the tag reading shouldn't do such things at all; even the current track number guessing is too much
11:28:15linuxstbI agree - it's just asking for problems.
11:28:16Slasheriamiconn: hmm, maybe true. i just leave it unchanged then
11:29:42Slasherii just thought it could be nice to display instead of "<Untagged>" something like "{Generated tag}"
11:29:45amiconnI have several tracks which deliberately have no track number. For tracks by "666" the track number guessing wrongly sets a track number of 66
11:29:51jhMikeSI should post that recording stuff up as a patch? I'll have some instructions about testing there too...I need that uda samplerate switching checked big time
11:30:34Slasheriamiconn: do you think the track number guessing should be removed too or maybe changed to an option?
11:30:45amiconnImho it should be removed
11:30:49jhMikeSThe rest is pretty much software-only and I know it runs
11:31:18Slasheriwondering what others might think about that
11:31:46Slasherifor some people removing it could mess up the track order
11:31:47jhMikeSAm I gonna need to make binaries again? *ech*
11:31:53markunpondlife: I was looking for that as well
11:32:26pondlifeNo luck, I take it...?
11:33:37markunno
11:33:49jhMikeSguess I'm gonna post it...
11:35:05Genre9mp3Slasheri: How track number guessing works? Tries to guess from the filename?
11:35:38pondlifeYes.. it often guesses 3 (from .mp3) too!
11:35:57pondlifeI also vote for its removal
11:36:21Genre9mp3pondlife: Thanx
11:36:26SlasheriGenre9mp3: currently it tries to guess last two digits from the filename (before the last period)
11:36:33Slasheripondlife: really? that shouldn't be possible
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11:38:01Genre9mp3Slasheri: Usually this kind of guesses are useful on mass tagging tools
11:38:17pondlifeHmm, this was with an old build - it may have been fixed
11:38:33pondlifeI don't like the idea of my player guessing particularly though
11:38:37Genre9mp3Maybe it's not wise to build a database based on guesses
11:38:56Slasheriwell, maybe i will just remove it then
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11:39:04amiconnGuessbase ;)
11:39:09linuxstbIs track number the only tag you try to guess?
11:39:10Slasheriand force some users to retag files
11:39:13pondlifeNo track number is a valid condition anyway - needs to be filed as <None>
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11:39:26Slasherilinuxstb: currently yes, unless real tag information is found
11:39:43ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:39:48Slasherior! maybe we can still gues the track number but we set a flag indicating we have guessed it
11:39:54linuxstbThen I would say remove it - I don't think a track number is useful by itself.
11:40:02ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:40:02DBUGEnqueued KICK Pro
11:40:02ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:40:02ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:40:04ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:10Slasherithen user could configure to use or not to use guessed values
11:40:14ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:18***Alert Mode level 1
11:40:18ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:23***Alert Mode level 2
11:40:23ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:23peturPro: stop it NOW
11:40:28ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:32ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:40:33ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:38***Alert Mode level 3
11:40:38ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:39ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:40:41StrevvSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:40:43ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:44DBUGEnqueued KICK nineko
11:40:44ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:40:46ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:40:46StrevvSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:48***Alert Mode level 5
11:40:48ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
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11:40:48ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:52ender`+m
11:40:52DBUGEnqueued KICK Strevv
11:40:52StrevvSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:53ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:54ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:40:58ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:40:58ender`now
11:40:58StrevvSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:00ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:41:03***Alert Mode level 7
11:41:03ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:04StrevvSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:41:08***Alert Mode level 8
11:41:08ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:10StrevvSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
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11:41:13***Alert Mode level 9
11:41:13ProSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:14ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:41:14ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:41:15***Alert Mode level 10
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11:41:15ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:15ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:15ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:16StrevvSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:17***Alert Mode level 17
11:41:17ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:41:19***Alert Mode level 18
11:41:19ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:22StrevvSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:25***Alert Mode level 20
11:41:25ProHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:28StrevvSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:33StrevvHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:41:34StrevvHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:41:34StrevvSURE ARE A LOT OF IRREVOCABLE, TALENTLESS, OBLIVIOUS, CAMPY, TRITE, DELUSIONAL, UTTER FAGGOTS IN HERE. I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS.
11:41:34***Alert Mode level 21
11:41:34StrevvHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:41:35***Alert Mode level 22
11:41:35StrevvHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:41:35StrevvHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
11:41:37***Alert Mode level 25
11:41:37StrevvHelp, you fuckers and your shitty software broke my ipod. HELP
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11:42:05CtcpIgnored 3 channel CTCP requests in 50 seconds at the last flood
11:42:05*linuxstb loves the internet...
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11:42:30peturI think he had a problem, but not with his ipod
11:42:38jhMikeSok...I wish I broke his iPod
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11:42:49ender`physically
11:42:53ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:42:59ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:43:06***Alert Mode level 28
11:43:06DBUGEnqueued KICK nineko
11:43:06ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:43:14ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:43:16ender`LinusN: jsut set +m on the channel, and temporarily voice everybody
11:43:20ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:43:27***Alert Mode level 29
11:43:27ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:43:32***Alert Mode level 30
11:43:32ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:43:36ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:43:41ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:43:55pondlifeHe thinks we're a god.
11:43:58ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
11:44:20ninekoGOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGGOTS DON'T KNOW SHIT GOD YOU FAGG
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11:44:32***Alert Mode level 31
11:45:23pondlifeWho invented CTRL-V anyway?
11:45:52jhMikeSMicrosoft?
11:46:01linuxstbIf you check the US patent office, I'm sure you'll find out...
11:46:01Genre9mp3pondlife: I think the heart of the problem is CTRL-C! :P
11:46:13CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
11:46:13*ender` 's still used to Shift+Ins instead of Ctrl+V
11:46:20amiconnpondlife: DON'T take my Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V away!
11:46:30jhMikeSlinuxstb: no shi - ite
11:46:53pondlifeamiconn: Not if you've passed the relevant exams.
11:47:15linuxstbAnyway, track number guessing?
11:47:23safetydanpondlife, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V is the only way I can write code :)
11:47:34pondlifeWhat, no google?
11:47:50peturlol
11:48:12jhMikeSalt-backspace is the only way I can unwrite code
11:49:01peturctrl-y does the trick here
11:49:32*pondlife would love to know his backspace-to-other-char ratio
11:49:46pondlifeProbably >1
11:50:05jhMikeSonly authorities of the state shall posses ctrl-C and ctrl-V and those with particular needs to possess them granted by the state on a per-case basis.
11:50:30pondlifeRemoving code often fixes more bugs than writing more code.
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11:52:17pondlifelinuxstb: Do you object to removing of track number guessing?
11:52:40linuxstbNo.
11:52:54linuxstbBut then I'm happy with filetree view...
11:54:33***Alert Mode OFF
11:56:02jhMikeSpondlife: remove all the code and you shall have no bugs :)
11:56:18pondlifejhMikeS: you got it!
11:56:20linuxstbApart from the "my DAP won't boot" bug...
11:56:29pondlifeHmm, well it's not a DAP any more....
11:56:38pondlifeSo rewrite the spec too
11:56:38peturbrick?
11:56:51*linuxstb prepares such a build for nineko
11:57:23jhMikeSok...patch going up...big write up to go along with it! :(
11:58:08jhMikeS343kB heh
11:58:23*linuxstb cries again
11:58:52jhMikeSlinuxstb: it's ok, it's ok, it's not so bad
11:58:54*tucoz notices two ops in the channel and some trolls in the logs
11:59:01tucozlong time since i saw that
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12:00:17tucozI also wonder if someone would like to poke a stick on the webpage menu.
12:00:31tucozmainly adding the new menu that pixelma proposed
12:00:54jhMikeSlinuxstb: what's the task # again?
12:00:57jhMikeSfor yours
12:02:38linuxstb6096
12:03:52jhMikeSstrange that I'm #2 in the Assigned To list
12:04:12*obo wonders if he can speak to anyone about the audioscrobbler patch...
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12:04:30markunobo: what about it?
12:04:51obomarkun: about the chances of it being comitted
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12:08:48*linuxstb thinks the last patch by hcs might have fixed the PP5020 crashing bug...
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12:25:08jhMikeS*kaboom!* there it is: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6106
12:26:05jhMikeSiRiver owners: I'd appreciate some help testing, thanks. There's instructions there on what to do.
12:28:10pondlifejhMikeS: I'll give it a go shortly. No SPDIF here though.
12:28:43jhMikeSpondlife: thanks. it's basically the samplerate stuff that is a mystery
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12:29:57*jhMikeS really hopes that works for uda though it shouldn't change anything if samplerates aren't actually changed by something
12:45:38aliaskjhMikeS: Erm, that plugin crashed my H300
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12:47:52aliaskjhMikeS: Changing to 11.025khz busts it, but apart from that it works.
12:52:19jhMikeSyou get the 88.2?
12:52:57jhMikeSwierd that 11.025 would bust it I had all bets on 88.2 :)
12:54:12jhMikeSIs MCLK1 used on all iRivers for the uda SYSCLK?
12:54:42jhMikeSaliask: what recording rates work/don't work?
12:55:42aliaskIn tha actual recording screen?
12:56:05jhMikeSyeah
12:56:21jhMikeSyou should have 44.1, 22.05, and 11.025
12:58:43aliaskI only have 44 and 22
12:58:52jhMikeSuse WAV
12:58:57aliaskAh ok.
12:58:59aliaskHang on.
12:59:27aliaskCould some serious lag have been introduced with the patch?
12:59:46jhMikeSshouldn't be, why?
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13:00:03aliaskWell, it's lagging at every screen change.
13:00:16aliaskBut I'm not sure if it's the patch, or just some update to CVS
13:00:26aliaskBecause I've been running a slightly dated version for a while on this DAP
13:00:41jhMikeSYou'll get disk activity when changing formats
13:00:52jhMikeSDid you do a full update not just the bin?
13:00:59aliaskYeah, full update
13:01:27aliaskAnd I think I've frozen it again by selecting 11.025 on the recording options
13:01:34aliaskFM Radio still works though :)
13:01:41aliaskDisk is constantly spinning.
13:02:01jhMikeShmmm...but you could record a real file at other rates?
13:02:21aliaskHavn't checked yet, but I predict that I will be
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13:02:37jhMikeSI don't know why the disk is spinning...did you reset settings? The config block version might be behind
13:02:43linuxstbjhMikeS: I'm looking at your patch, and am not sure about your independent (to core Rockbox settings) implementation of encoder .cfg files. It means that a user can't click on a .cfg file in the file browser to set all the recording options at once.
13:03:09aliaskjhMikeS: Disk is spinning because it locked up, and can't send the command to spin down.
13:03:31jhMikeSlinuxstb: yes they can
13:04:01aliaskAlso, why is there disk spinup when changing frequency? (Pre-rec related?)
13:04:17linuxstbjhMikeS: How? I must be misunderstanding your code then...
13:04:34jhMikeSIf you reenter the recording screen it will reload the encoder as it always did
13:04:45jhMikeSlook at enc_config.c
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13:05:28linuxstbSo can I for example, have one .cfg file which specifies "mic recording, mp3 format, 64kbps mono", and other which says "line-in recording, mp3 format, 192kbps stereo"
13:06:55jhMikeSlinuxstb: no it doesn't do that but it keeps the config file saving working as it is. when you save a config file, it saves encoder settings there. when you load the saved config file, it reads all encoder settings from it and copies them to the private ones
13:07:26aliaskjhMikeS: Yes, both 44.1 and 22.05 work for recording files as expected, but 11.025 will consistently lock up the player.
13:07:52jhMikeSlinuxstb: but if you were talking about saving separate settings config files though Manage Settings then yes, you can do that.
13:08:28jhMikeSaliask: I think I know why...
13:09:55jhMikeSaliask: and they play back showing 1411kpbs for 44100 and 705kbps for 22050?
13:10:05jhMikeSstereo WAV that is
13:10:20aliaskWell, I played them on my computer, because of the crash.
13:10:25linuxstbSo you're saying that when I export the core Rockbox settings to a .cfg file, the appropriate encoder.cfg file is copied into that core .cfg file?
13:10:33aliaskBut they played correctly, and displayed the correct frequency in the info.
13:10:35jhMikeSlinuxstb: yes
13:10:46linuxstbSo what happens when that core .cfg file is loaded?
13:10:49jhMikeSyou couldn't play them back on the player after a restart?
13:10:58aliaskI didn't try.
13:11:31jhMikeSlinuxstb: current settings are updated, and all settings in the core are copied into the *_enc.cfg files.
13:12:03jhMikeSlinuxstb: I made sure to make it so you wouldn't even be aware of them.
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13:12:51jhMikeSI did it because future changes could add a lot of weight to the bit table if you have to store settings for every encoder.
13:13:44aliaskjhMikeS: Yes, those are the bitrates when played back through rockbox.
13:14:38*aliask is afk
13:15:20jhMikeSaliask: cool...I'm suprised it went that well first try. Tell me...88.2 jumped up an octave right from 44.1?
13:16:21*jhMikeS doesn't have an iRiver and low level coding without a player can be frustrating. :)
13:18:04jhMikeSThere might be another route to 11.025...
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13:26:05linuxstbjhMikeS: OK, I understand how it works now...
13:28:47linuxstbhcs: Are you around?
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13:33:10preglowjhMikeS: some patch
13:33:15*jhMikeS needs help from someone that knows the iRiver hardware...:) why would it lock at 11.025? what uses the MCLKs and are they the same?
13:33:48jhMikeSpreglow: It's a whopper though smaller than the original update
13:36:04preglowreally? what's left otu?
13:36:05preglowout too
13:37:32jhMikeSpreglow: Nothing left out per se really. It only adds about 6.5k to the x5 binary for all that.
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13:40:03linuxstbpreglow: Your definition of CPU_INT_STAT in pp5020.h is puzzling me - it looks like a typo (0x64004000 instead of 0x60004000), but the definition is being used successfully in irq()
13:41:05preglowlinuxstb: i think a ton of reg addresses are aliased
13:41:28linuxstbI would guess so.
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13:42:00preglowyeah, god knows why i chose that address for those two, but i'm pretty sure they're aliases
13:43:08preglowlinuxstb: ipl people lists it as 60004000 in their wiki
13:43:31linuxstbYes, and leachbj was around the other day, and confirmed 0x60004000 was right.
13:43:43linuxstbHe said he's working on the new Nano.
13:43:50preglowoohh, extremely cool
13:44:19preglowit obviously takes some piece of new undocumented hardware for them to get their big guns out :)
13:44:46linuxstbIt's good to see.
13:45:18preglowanyway, i haven't got time to test build with fixed addresses, but i might later
13:46:46linuxstbIt's been there for 10 months, so I don't think there's a rush...
13:47:52preglowheh
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13:51:04amiconnjhMikeS: I don't like the encoder settings to be separate. It adds unnecessary spinups
13:51:28amiconn(and the bit table should be no problem when JdGordon finishes the new settings code
13:52:30JdGordon... which apart from lots of testing is done
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13:55:45jhMikeSamiconn: spinups only happen during the one settings change and you still have the encoder loading spinup to follow in most cases. things can be altered so it doesn't have to live that way forever.
13:58:12jhMikeSamiconn: any idea about the 11.025 lockup? think it has to do with the MCLKs? I'm a little stumped about it. I'm trying to see if I blundered on that but can't find it yet if so.
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14:00:17preglowJdGordon: so how much smaller did rockbox finally become?
14:01:05JdGordonpreglow: last check was about 2800bytes smaller
14:01:37JdGordonit could have been more.. but not going to bother with that atgument again :D
14:02:22preglowno argument necessary as long as i get to gloat i was right :>
14:02:32preglowanywho
14:02:39preglowif it's nicer then it's all good anyway
14:04:09hcslinuxstb: I'm around now
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14:04:43hcsI have a happy feeling about the patch, too, and will be running extended tests today
14:05:16linuxstbI've been running for almost 4 hours now...
14:05:42linuxstbDid you test that the CPU is definitely being boosted still?
14:06:01hcsif it wasn't it wouldn't be able to play back mp3s, would it?
14:06:28linuxstbNo - so it's definitely not staying on 100% boost?
14:06:34linuxstb(i.e. 75MHz)
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14:06:43hcsyeah, around 50% in the audio thread debug
14:07:26linuxstbSo it's looking good. I should test it on my 5g, and then if it's working there OK, then commit so we can get more testers.
14:07:28hcsas I said, I'll be testing today to see if the battery life is actually any better, got a 12 disk Bach Organ Works set to run through
14:07:53hcsdid you write the comments, by the way?
14:07:56linuxstbOr another option would be to post some builds to the forums and get users to test those.
14:08:03linuxstbYes.
14:12:36hcsdoesn't the 5g use a different set_cpu_frequency anyway?
14:13:01linuxstbNo.
14:13:13linuxstbIt's the same for all PP502x CPUs.
14:13:34amiconnYeah, but the interrupt thing is #ifdef'ed for PP5020 specifically iirc
14:13:35linuxstbThey are supposed to be register-compatible...
14:13:45linuxstbYes, it is.
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14:13:51hcsah, whoops
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14:17:51linuxstbhcs: I'm just looking at your patch now (I just applied it quickly this morning without paying attention), and I'm not sure what you're doing... You don't seem to actually change the clock frequency any more, just enable/disable the PLL?
14:18:41hcser, yeah
14:18:53*linuxstb reads the patch comments :)
14:19:18hcsif I read it correctly, we switch to a stable, nonadjustable 24MHz clock before we change the PLL
14:19:29amiconnYes
14:19:48hcsso what I do is leave the PLL at 75MHz and switch between the 24MHz and the PLL, without switching the PLL all the time
14:20:30amiconnThe reason is that (1) e.g. the coldfire requires to switch the cpu clock away from the pll before reprogramming the pll, then switch back. This is probably to avoid clock glitches
14:20:46hcswhich makes sense
14:20:50amiconn(2) We don't know exactly whether the pp chips also require this measure because of no docs
14:21:11hcsit is possible that we are running into such glitches even here, perhaps 200usec isn't long enough to wait
14:21:13amiconnBut we still need to reprogram the pll on pp. How else would you generate the 30MHz?
14:21:38linuxstbOr we decide not to, and just switch between 24MHz and 75MHz...
14:21:47amiconnThe coldfire manual states "up to 10ms" for pll relock. The typical relock time is 2..3ms
14:22:03*hcs dropped out of electrical engineering
14:22:11hcslinuxstb: exactly
14:22:12*linuxstb never started ee
14:22:47jhMikeSamiconn: that doesn't apply to the CRSEL, CLSEL does it? They're clear about AUDIOCLK but seem ambiguous about the other two (they don't use the PLL).
14:23:01amiconnThe nice thing on coldire is that the switch back to pll is delayed by the pll logic until the pll actually relocked, and this fact is also signalled by a status bit
14:23:05linuxstbA nice thing about your patch is that it removes the udelay()
14:23:31aliask:q
14:23:37aliaskErm, not vim... sorry
14:24:41linuxstbhcs: Did you try removing the CPU_INT_EN |= line from set_cpu_frequency with your current patch?
14:25:05hcslinuxstb: no, I've been running it in its present form since last night
14:25:25linuxstbHow long have you run it for continuously?
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14:25:47hcsonly 2 hours, I left it charging overnight so I can do a battery benchmark today
14:26:07linuxstbGood news for FLAC users though - FLAC doesn't boost at 24MHz :)
14:27:06preglowhah
14:27:09preglowreally?
14:27:37linuxstbYep.
14:30:05pondlifeJdGordon: Hi. Did you see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6010 ?
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14:31:05pondlifeAre you familiar with any of this code, or is it too far out of settings for you?
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14:31:46LinusNimho, the plugin/font browser shouldn't be able to take you to the menu
14:32:18pondlifeThat would be an easy fix...
14:32:28pondlifeSeems reasonable to me
14:33:10pondlifeAs long as it's obvious the user can back out (which I assume it is, but am not in a position to try right now)
14:33:40LinusNin fact, tree.c contains code that tries to prevent this
14:33:54LinusN case ACTION_STD_MENU:
14:33:54LinusN /* don't enter menu from plugin browser */
14:33:54LinusN if (*tc.dirfilter < NUM_FILTER_MODES)
14:33:54DBUGEnqueued KICK LinusN
14:33:54LinusN {
14:34:53LinusNi guess it's the context menu that is at fault in this particular case
14:36:08LinusN if (exit_to_main)
14:36:08LinusN result = main_menu();
14:36:41pondlifeYes, that's what I was thinking
14:37:04LinusNi wonder what that is for
14:37:40LinusNwhy would you want the menu key to work in the context menus?
14:37:58jhMikeSLinusN: It's all MCLK1 for all the iRivers' uda? MCLK2 has no function?
14:38:05pondlifeNo idea, that's why I wanted to ask other people. I would have just removed it otherwise!
14:38:16LinusNjhMikeS: i think so
14:40:14aliaskJdGordon: If you sync your Menu patch to CVS, I'll test it tomorrow, but for now I need sleep
14:40:28LinusNpondlife: it's an ondio thing
14:40:46pondlifeAh, lack of buttons or something else?
14:40:47LinusNpondlife: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/onplay.c.diff?r1=1.46&r2=1.47
14:40:59LinusN"When exiting the context menu with the menu button, call the main menu. Mainly useful on Ondio which can't have both main menu and context menu bound in wps. Holding MODE on Ondio will now bring up the wps context menu instead of the main menu."
14:41:28pondlifeOK. Well, can we just prevent the recursion somewhere?
14:41:28LinusNshould perhaps be tied to the ondio keymap
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14:41:59*pondlife would really like mordov to spell parallel correctly
14:42:23*pondlife only notices once mordov has left though ;-)
14:42:46aliaskAnd it should be proportional
14:42:52LinusN:-)
14:42:57pondlife;-p
14:43:16aliaskHeh. Seeya all.
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14:44:58amiconnhcs: The drawback of leaving the pll running at 75MHz might be that it draws more power
14:45:08amiconnLinusN: The exit_to_main is needed on Ondio
14:45:11hcsperhaps
14:45:25LinusNamiconn: yes, i know
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14:47:07amiconnOf course it shouldn't trigger from the context menu in a sub-browser
14:47:13amiconnNot sure how to prevent that...
14:48:12pondlifeAdd a sub-menu parameter? Or hack in a static somewhere. Both a bit nasty
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14:50:07linuxstbhcs: Have you tried experimenting with the info here? barrywardell.net/assets/files/H10_CPU_freq.txt">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/H10_CPU_freq.txt
14:50:39hcslinuxstb: no, I have not
14:51:33hcsseems consistent with your interpretation
14:51:54LinusNfirst of all, what good is the context menu in the plugin/font browser in the first place?
14:52:17amiconnIt's rather useful imho
14:52:43amiconn...for instance for deleting outdated plugins as you spot them
14:53:03linuxstbOpening .cfg files in the text viewer/editor?
14:53:33LinusNlinuxstb: you mean the theme browser?
14:54:07linuxstbIsn't there a "browse cfg" option? If not, then yes, I mean the theme browser.....
14:55:04linuxstbYes, there is a browse cfg option under manage settings. Also useful to rename/delete them.
14:56:06LinusNamiconn: i still don't completely understand the ondio issue
14:56:29LinusNcouldn't that be solved with better keymapping?
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14:59:06amiconnLinusN: If you find a free combination....
14:59:25amiconnWe (i.e. [IDC]Dragon and me) FOUND NONE
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14:59:31amiconnSorry for caps
14:59:31LinusNamiconn: what is mapped to MENU+RELEASE?
14:59:55amiconnMENU+REL (i.e. short Menu) is 'go to browser'
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15:00:20LinusNok, and menu+repeat -> menu
15:00:42amiconnYes, except in the wps, where it is 'context menu'
15:01:41LinusNok, so to enter the main menu in wps, you go via the context menu?
15:02:35amiconnyes
15:02:46amiconnThat's because all other possible combos are taken
15:03:13LinusNi see
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15:17:56tucozI think it's quite rare to link directly to the bug tracker from the main menu in open source projects. A lot link to a how to.
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15:22:47linuxstbDo we have a "how-to" yet/
15:22:48linuxstb?
15:23:10tucozno, don't think so. i haven't written one at least :)
15:23:23godzirraSlasheri: you about?
15:23:27tucozBut i get more and more convinced that we should have one
15:23:53linuxstbWe definitely should IMO.
15:24:10tucozyes. What should it be called? BugReportingHowto?
15:24:16tucozHowToReportBugs?
15:24:46linuxstbrasher posted a proposal for a "Rockbox Flyspray Policy" to rockbox-dev the other day - that would be a good start.
15:25:20tucozah. but isn't that a bit massive for users atm?
15:29:33bluebrothertucoz, I also wanted writing something (and comment on rasher's proposal)
15:29:41bluebrotherI'll look into this in a few days ...
15:30:03tucozok, that is fine.
15:30:31tucozbluebrother, now all my folders have a nice cover art .jpg. Amarok is really great these days.
15:30:45linuxstbAfter re-reading it, I agree rasher's text isn't quite what we want for a "how to report bugs" page.
15:30:59tucozhttp://www.gimp.net/bugs/
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15:31:04tucozi think that is quite nice
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15:34:15pondlifeIs an "iPod photo" a 4G Color?
15:34:29tucozyes
15:34:46pondlifeHence likely to suffer from the CPU boosting/freeze issue?
15:35:30linuxstbYes, but hopefully not for much longer...
15:35:35pondlifeIndeed
15:35:57pondlifeNot worth me looking at any playback-is-freezing bugs there then....
15:36:41linuxstbNo.
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15:46:59hcslinuxstb: maybe we should make mention of the patch to the guy with the No Frequency Scaling build, he has the attention of people who need it
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15:48:50linuxstbhcs: Yes, the more testing the better.
15:51:12linuxstbAlthough I'm wondering whether just switching between 24MHz and 75MHz would be good enough for all ipods... Maybe I should do some runtime tests with and without that patch on my 5g (with some mp3s)
15:51:55hcsyeah, I'm all for more testing
15:54:27tucozof topic: does anyone know a log in linux that has something to do with my system crashing when i switch to vt1?
15:54:48tucozs/of/off
15:56:59godzirraTag Cache hates me :/
15:57:33bluebrothertucoz, I guess you already looked into /var/log/messages and the dmesg log?
15:57:54tucozbluebrother, thanks. i haven't. I always forget where to look :)
15:58:01godzirraheh
15:58:13bluebrotherhehe. No idea if it helps, but anyway ...
15:59:43godzirraIs Slasheri really the only guy to talk to about TagCache?
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16:00:25linuxstbI thought you found the problem the other day?
16:01:28karimhi
16:01:56linuxstbih
16:02:58godzirralinuxstb: me?
16:03:18linuxstbgodzirra: Yes.
16:03:34karimlinuxstb: I just fail to build the simple apiexemple of ffmpeg with my own make file. What I did was examine the make file for libavutil and libavcodec. This allowed me to know wich object files needed to be built if I needed only mpeg2.
16:03:54godzirralinuxstb: I thought I ahd it narrowed down to one folder of mp3s
16:04:02godzirrabut I copied them all of and started copying them on 3 at a time
16:04:12godzirraa -different- folder that had never had problems before froze tagcache
16:04:15linuxstbkarim: The makefile you gave me the other day seemed to work. At least, it produced an apiexample executable about 1.4MB in size.
16:04:29karimbut apiexemple.c can't be linked right. it says it can't find some functions, though the headers and the object file are compiled
16:04:40karimlinuxstb: ????
16:04:43karimdamn
16:05:13linuxstbYou were missing some variables in one line of the makefile - $(LIBAVUTIL) and $(LIBAVCODEC) I think.
16:05:26karimlinuxstb: do you still have it ?
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16:06:33linuxstbhttp://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/Makefile
16:07:08Slasherigodzirra: ok, now here
16:07:25Slasherigodzirra: could you send the file you had problems with
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16:10:38karimlinuxstb: the .c files where separated in libacodec and libavutil or all in the same folder ?
16:13:03karimlinuxstb: the makefile is weird ...
16:14:23linuxstbkarim: You sent it to me... I just corrected that one line. Everything (.c and .h) is in one folder.
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16:15:04jhMikeSamiconn: you there? you don't like the configs thing for spinups but is there anything else? I still want some isolation and opaqueness to the codec configs since doing that in the first place makes it easier to switch it around.
16:16:05karimlinuxstb: I sent it but couldn't get something out of it, and didn't kept trace of versions :-/
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16:17:32karimlinuxstb: I was wondering because this imports are useless -I./ -Ilibavutil/ -Ilibavcodec/ and also the make command seems redundant
16:19:20karimapiexample.o: In function `pgm_save':apiexample.c:(.text+0x5c): undefined reference to `please_use_av_log'
16:19:50karimI got that error, I know internal.h makes redefines, and so does avlog.h . I am not sure what is the best way to not have this errors
16:20:32godzirraSlasheri: read my PM :)
16:20:50godzirraSlasheri: did you get it?
16:21:13linuxstbjhMikeS: My initial reaction to your patch was that storing the encoder settings separately just adds complication for little gain.
16:22:20linuxstbkarim: Here's the version of ffmpeg you sent me on 29 September - it compiles fine. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mixed.tar.bz2
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16:26:56karimlinuxstb: damn it works ...
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16:28:11karimthanks
16:28:22Slasherigodzirra: yep
16:30:23jhMikeSlinuxstb: I imagined that could be a bit controversial but decided to try it out :-\. Two "nays" on that point but you feel other stuff is pretty ok? For the 11khz thing that's easy to disable with one flag until it can be made to run. Probably something dumb I did.
16:32:46linuxstbI haven't really looked at the other stuff yet. I just browsed your patch quickly, and the config handling jumped out.
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16:52:40karimlinuxstb: ok, so I am going to separate mpeg2 from other mpeg formats. maybe we can think of another codec to keep
16:53:16karimanother mpeg4 codec. xvid for exemple.
16:53:45*jhMikeS feels a heaviness in the air around here and wonders if something else bad is going on...things seem rather subdued
16:54:17karimthere is really no way to tell gcc to not put in .o the unused methods ?
16:55:15jhMikeSunused methods? I thought the linker decided what was unused.
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17:00:25amiconnOnly if you do sectioned compilation
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17:14:11karimamiconn: I will ask you about that later
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17:49:42barrywardellXavierGr: I ran those battery tests - barrywardell.net/assets/files/benchmark.png">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/benchmark.png
17:50:09barrywardellnot as significant and improvement as I was hoping, but it's an improvement nonetheless
17:55:02XavierGroh let's see
17:56:00XavierGrdo you have the log files?
17:56:22barrywardellthe battery_bench.txt files?
17:56:26XavierGrit would be nice to submit them in the wiki with the final result
17:56:27XavierGryes
17:56:36barrywardellyeah, just a sec...
17:56:39XavierGrand give me a link of the best
17:56:53XavierGrwhat were the playing conditions?
17:57:01XavierGrcodec and staff like that
17:57:14barrywardellone album on repeat
17:57:50XavierGrok sounds nice
17:57:55XavierGrand backlight activity?
17:57:59XavierGrnone?
17:58:05barrywardellmp3
17:58:18barrywardellit says 96kbps
17:58:35barrywardellleft playing and backlight on occasionally to check the status
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17:59:39XavierGrok then that shouldn't change the results
17:59:52XavierGrbetter upload somewhere all the log files
17:59:58XavierGrI want to see something
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18:00:26XavierGrso the final rutnime was about 8 hours?
18:00:33barrywardellbarrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_have_ide_poweroff.txt">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_have_ide_poweroff.txt
18:00:54barrywardellbarrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_with_ide_poweroff.txt">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_with_ide_poweroff.txt
18:00:58fulhackHey.. I just bought an iriver e10, haven't received it yet. I saw that rockbox runs on some iriver devices, h10 for example. Any plans on porting to e10?
18:01:09barrywardellbarrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_without_ide_poweroff.txt">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_without_ide_poweroff.txt
18:01:23barrywardellbarrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_charging.txt">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/battery_bench_charging.txt
18:01:42barrywardellFinal runtime approximately 8 hours, yes
18:03:03barrywardellfulhack: nobody working on it yet anyway
18:04:16fulhackbarrywardell, Is there some document ppl read when porting rockbox? Maybe I'll get bored sometime and give it a try. :)
18:04:28XavierGrbarrywardell: so you gained 40 minutes with the change you made?
18:05:00linuxstbfulhack: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort and someone has started collecting E10 info here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info
18:05:02barrywardellXavierGr: yes, although you may notice that it started at a lower charge in the first place, so it could be even more
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18:05:18fulhacklinuxstb, wow, awsome!
18:05:58barrywardellit's hardware charging, and sometimes it charges to a higher charge than other times
18:05:59godzirraSlasheri: lemme know when you get back ;)
18:07:07XavierGryeah, but keep in mind that there might be a +/-30 (it depends on bitrate) minutes on each benchmark. Because sometimes the voltage is low that playback continues but the next time the log needs to update, the drive can't spin
18:08:32barrywardellthe slope of that graph is definitely smaller with ata poweroff enabled, so it must have done something!
18:09:43XavierGrindeed, I am just saying that battery_bench isn't acurate at time differences smaller than 30 minutes
18:10:04barrywardellah, ok
18:10:16barrywardellthanks for the tip by the way
18:10:55barrywardelli think I'll commit the fix
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18:46:06aCMe_^Hi all
18:46:17aCMe_^est ce qu'il y a des Franais ici ?
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18:47:15scorcheaCMe_^: un petit...but this is an english channel if you can
18:47:23aCMe_^ok
18:48:19aCMe_^is what rockbox functions on the ipod nano last generation
18:48:26aCMe_^sorry for my english :'D
18:48:48markunaCMe_^: it will not work for a long time probably
18:49:03scorcheaCMe_^: your english is enough ;)...go to the wiki page "WhyRockbox"....there should be a link to it on the front page
18:49:13scorcheoh...heh
18:49:20aCMe_^erf ok :(
18:49:24*scorche notices "last generation"
18:49:33aCMe_^^^
18:49:50aCMe_^thanks scorche
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18:51:10scorchemarkun: heh...i have a feeling he wanted to thank you too ;)
18:51:43markunHe's probably mad at me for brining him the bad new.. :)
18:51:51scorchehehe...i was wondering that too
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19:00:31O11hey
19:00:46O11I got my replacement h300 battery in the post today!!
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19:02:23scorcheinteresting people today...
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19:03:19*scorche is glad that we dont get messages like this in the mailing lists: http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=55795
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19:06:16O11anyone around..
19:06:52O11I'm just about to solder my replacement battery into my h300.. I've checked that the polarities of the old and the new battery is the same..
19:07:07O11any warnings before I commence?
19:07:16*petur just had one of his disks crashed - the one with his cygwin tree on it :(
19:07:40bluebrotherO11, there is a nice replacement guide on misticirver.
19:07:42scorchegood thing there are backups!......right?
19:07:53peturnot for that drive :(
19:07:56O11bluebrother: I'm doing it different =)
19:07:57markunscorche: nineko. It was today even.
19:07:58scorchefor shame!
19:08:10peturit was my backup drive...
19:08:13bluebrotherI swapped the battery on my h120 −− no need to solder, but need to check if the polarity of the new battery is right.
19:08:21*scorche snaps his fingers
19:08:23O11bluebrother: I'd rather solder the wires than get all the way inside my player and fiddle around with the plugs..
19:08:31scorchemarkun: missed it....logs, here io come!
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19:08:43markunhard to miss :)
19:08:54peturindeed hard to miss
19:09:09bluebrotherif you think this is a better solution ... I believe I can solder and I don't want to solder that short wires (assuming the h300 is similar to the h100 in that point)
19:09:11O11anyway.. here goes.. i'll tell you if it works when i'm done =)
19:09:49O11bluebrother: I'm will to give soldering a go.. why do you not want to do it?
19:09:55*O11 hasn't soldered before..
19:10:26bluebrotherbecause it is really tight and you need to make sure you isolate the soldered wires good.
19:10:39bluebrotherand there isn't really much room.
19:10:54bluebrotherwoo, looking at the h300 guide it's even easier as for the h100
19:11:48bluebrotherto have a good isolation I would use heat shrinking tube, but from my experience this would get really compicated.
19:12:51bluebrotherThe h100 has its battery connector placed in a pretty nasty place as its quite a lot of fiddling to get the connector in. From the pics of the h300 it seems to be a nice walk for the h300
19:13:11O11ok.. that's good to know..
19:13:28O11i'm just going to solder them that wrap a small bit of tape around..
19:13:33bluebrotherjust look the misticriver h100 guide up ... and where the connector is located ;-)
19:13:54*O11 goes of to get a pair of pliers to give the wires a bit of a twist
19:14:00bluebrotherI really don't like tape in such locations...
19:14:15O11why's that?
19:14:19O11too bulky
19:14:20nlsfalls off?
19:14:28O11falls off?
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19:14:33bluebrotherit may fall off with the time. Or move.
19:14:49nlsshort circut is a Bad Thing (tm)
19:14:49*godzirra pokes Slasheri with a dull stick.
19:14:59bluebrotherthen there's only a bit of glue left on the wires ... and such a thing cries for a short circuit.
19:15:18bluebrotherjust search for the li-poly battery on youtube. Nice explosion.
19:15:41nlsbaboom!
19:15:45bluebrotherhehe :)
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19:17:45O11wait.. is it bad to have the wires of the battery itself touch eachother?
19:17:56O11or is it only bad over a long period of time/
19:17:57O11?
19:18:04O11or only when it's charged up?
19:20:54bluebrotherman, do I hate duplicates :(
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19:21:42O11duplicates?
19:21:43bluebrothergenerally, you could say it's bad. It won't explode in every case but with li-ion batteries I'd be really careful
19:21:50bluebrotherduplicates in the tracker.
19:22:14O11so.. avoid any wires apart from the correct ones touching at any point during the process and after?
19:24:21bluebrotherI'd say so.
19:26:58Slasherigodzirra: sorry but still little busy
19:27:12Slasherigodzirra: did it crash?
19:27:31Slasheriif so, try to find what track causes it to crash/fail.. at the moment there isn't much more i could do
19:27:32scorchelogbot: wow...how many alert modes do you go to? ;)
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19:31:52godzirraSlasheri: All good. It did crash. There isnt a specific track that causes it to fail like I said before.
19:32:25godzirraSlasheri: when pulp fiction was on there, it crashed at one of pulp fiction's tracks. Afterwards, it crashed on one of the Nip/Tuck tracks. The Nip/Tuck tracks had -never- caused a problem before
19:32:34godzirraso it has to be something other than the actual tracks causing it to crash
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19:34:20markunwhois nineko
19:34:21Mode"#rockbox -o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
19:34:34markun:)
19:39:38XavierGrhehe
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19:41:46O11I might look into the heat shrink tubes..
19:42:06O11i can always seal them better at a later point and just put some electrical tape on for now.. right?
19:42:25O11first wire has been soldered by the way..
19:43:11linuxstbgodzirra: Have you run a scandisk or similar to check your disk is OK?
19:46:32bluebrotherO11, you need to put the heat shrink tubes over the cables before soldering.
19:46:54bluebrotherafterwards you won't be able adding them without unsoldering first
19:47:13bluebrotherstill, I don't think it's a good idea to solder ... the disassembly of the player isn't hard at all
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19:51:30lamedah, from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion: Crossfade (iriver H1xx and H3xx series only) so I'm figuring: isn't there are crossfade &replygain code for ipod?
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19:51:54nlsthere is
19:52:06Genre9mp3Reading the latest manual commit.... Out of curiosity, how automatic pause works? Is there something special with the headphone socket on iPods?
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19:52:30nlsit can detect presence of headphones
19:52:41nls(obviously)
19:52:58lamednls: something important that isn't working on the ipod that I should know about before I get one?
19:53:14lamed(that is implemented already on other targets
19:53:24nlsI don't have one but I think most general stuff works
19:53:31nlsrolo doesn't
19:53:32lamedtt
19:53:35Genre9mp3nls: Well, yes...obviously.... so it's a hardware thing...
19:54:00nlsGenre9mp3, yes and I don't think any other targets can do that.
19:54:21Genre9mp3I see...
19:56:13linuxstblamed: One missing feature on the ipods is support for the proprietory ipod accessories - so don't buy any...
19:56:35linuxstb(or buy lots and work out how to control them)
19:56:38Genre9mp3I am wondering though if this could be implemented on irivers, too (not with just plain earphones... but when the remote is connected)
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19:57:03Genre9mp3Isn't the unit capable of detecting if the remote is plugged in?
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19:57:21nlsGenre9mp3, yes it is
19:57:28godzirralinuxstb: I'm doing that now
19:57:50nlsbut what would happend if you don't use the remote?
19:58:06linuxstbnls: Then you don't enable the "pause on remote removal" option...
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19:58:29Genre9mp3linuxstb: exactly! :)
19:58:43lamedlinuxstb: hehe... one day
19:58:50nlsand how do you accidentially unplug the remote?
19:58:58*amiconn wonders who would unplug the remote just to pause playback
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19:59:10nlsor that :)
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19:59:42linuxstbamiconn: Yes, I guess pressing pause on the remote would work...
19:59:52Genre9mp3amiconn: The earphones are plugged into the remote
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20:00:31*amiconn wonders what this fact has to do with pause-on-remote-unplug
20:01:01Genre9mp3You can wonder the same for earphones... that's what I mean
20:01:16amiconnYes
20:01:59amiconnI also wonder about this; I never accidentally unplugged my earphones, and if I deliberately want to unpause, I have to get my hands on the unit anyway
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20:02:42amiconnIt's more convenient to press pause than to unplug, and unplugging by pulling on the cable isn't recommended even for straight plugs
20:03:09Genre9mp3amiconn: I agree on that
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20:03:38Genre9mp3I was just wondering if the feature would be technically possible for irivers, too
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20:04:10peturdon't think so, it only has short-circuit detection
20:04:38godzirralinuxstb: It didnt find any errors doing a diskcheck... or at least if it did it didnt tell me it did :p
20:05:09Genre9mp3And if the feature is more aimed for "accidental unplugging" then yes... it wouldn't make sense at all on irivers cause it's really difficult to unplug the remote accidentally
20:05:16amiconnGenre9mp3: The feature woul dbe possible for archos recorder v1 and player, as long as the archos remote isn't used
20:06:18*Genre9mp3 isn't familiar with recorder v1 and player
20:06:37Genre9mp3But I guess there is some trickery on that...
20:07:01amiconnNot much
20:07:28amiconnThese devices have a 4-ring 3.5mm jack. The 3rd ring is the remote control pin
20:08:06Genre9mp3I see...
20:08:08amiconnThe remote control pin has a pullup resistor. Plugging a standard 3-ring 3.5mm plug short-circuits the remote control pin, i.e. pulls it low
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20:08:29amiconnThis could be detected
20:08:44ForgottenMemoryAnyone know how to organize music on Rockbox
20:09:00nlsany way you like :)
20:09:21ForgottenMemoryyea but like more of the apple os organized
20:09:23Genre9mp3amiconn: Probably something similar is for iPods, too? (4-ring jack)
20:09:46Genre9mp3Of course not remote related...
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20:11:15oboForgottenMemory: see the TagCache wiki page
20:11:17Davide-NYCQuestion: in the View Audio Thread screen, what exactly does "track count" mean?
20:17:24nlstracks in the buffer?
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20:23:36Davide-NYCyou sure?
20:23:51Davide-NYCso the larger the file the fewer files will fit in the buffer?
20:25:10O11FINISHED!!
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20:25:30nlspretty sure, wasn't it possible to skip from the audio thread screen before?
20:25:30O11it's all closed up now.. the connections are just sealed with some electrical tape.. for now..
20:26:02nlsoh yeah up ;-)
20:26:02O11now to read the "how to prolong battery life" faq on misticriver =)
20:27:14nlsDavide-NYC, try pressing down (or whatever button skips to the next song) in the audio thread screen and see the track count decrease
20:28:00Davide-NYCinteresting
20:28:09Davide-NYCis this screen documented anywhere?
20:28:19O11should I do my first charge in rockbox or in the original firmware?
20:28:31nlsNo it's a debug screen ;-)
20:28:31O11and how do I know when it's finished charging?
20:28:38godzirraSlasheri: I'm copying -everything- off of my mp3 player, and installing just those 3 folders that had potential problems. (Rent, Pulp Fiction, Nip/Tuck)
20:28:41godzirraand trying tag cache again
20:29:23O11anyone know?
20:29:52Davide-NYCnls: I am of the opinion that displaying the name of the currently playing track, it's filetype and bitrate would be useful for Codec Performance testing accross multiple platforms
20:30:08Davide-NYCwould this be hard to do?
20:30:14Slasherigodzirra: sounds great. lets hope you can reproduce the issue
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20:33:10O11huh?
20:35:02Davide-NYC011: I'mlate to the party, what target are you using?
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20:35:40nlsDavide-NYC, I don't know but I think it shouldn't be difficult to show the filename.
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20:35:54Davide-NYCI'm going to poke around now see what I can do
20:36:03Davide-NYCO11: what target are you using?
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20:37:37O11Davide-NYC: target?
20:37:44godzirraSlasheri: Yeah, this weird randomness is driving me batty.
20:38:19Davide-NYCO11: what player
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20:39:11O11Davide-NYC: oh.. sorry.. it's a h300
20:39:23Davide-NYCthe charging light will turn off
20:39:33O11charging light?
20:40:01O11i didn't know there was a charging light.. where?
20:40:36Davide-NYCI have an H1x0, it has a chaging lihgt. I presumed it existed for the H3x0
20:40:42Davide-NYChmm
20:40:43O11nope =(
20:41:01Davide-NYCstupid answer = just leave it overnight
20:41:04O11i was just wondering if it said charging complete when it's full
20:41:05Davide-NYC:-)
20:41:19O11yeah.. i think i'll be doing that..
20:41:53O11IT WORKS!!
20:41:56O11thank god..
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20:43:27lamedhey
20:44:01O11lamed: hey
20:44:02lamedI think it's safe to say everything that isn't lcd_bitmap is lcd_charcells, isn't it?
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20:48:19Davide-NYCcan someone help me with a snprintf()?
20:48:51Davide-NYCI want to display the currently playing filename on screen. Easy right?
20:49:45Davide-NYCLine 345 in apps/debug_menu.c we have snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), "pcmbufdesc: %2d/%2d",pcmbuf_used_descs(), pcmbufdescs);
20:49:56Davide-NYCthen an lcd_puts()
20:50:18Davide-NYCI want to add something similar after that displays the playing filename.
20:51:38bluebrotherhmm. Is there a way to see all tasks I'm watching on FS?
20:52:27oboDavide-NYC: you can try using audio_current_track()->path - you'll need to make sure that audio.h is included
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20:53:19Davide-NYCwhat exactly does the %2d/%2d mean?
20:54:07peturwrites two ints using 2 characters each
20:54:13peturwith a slash inbetween
20:54:53peturto display a string wou would use %s
20:55:38Davide-NYCand those two int are what is in pcmbuf_used_descs() and pcmbufdescs respectively?
20:55:54peturyes
20:57:14Davide-NYChow's this look? snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), "filename: %s", audio_current_track());
20:57:42linuxstb_audio_current_track() doesn't return the filename
20:58:01Davide-NYCwhat does?
20:58:02peturyou need something that returns a char*
20:58:02linuxstb_It returns an mp3entry structure containing lots of info about the track (including the filename though)
20:58:13Davide-NYCthat's better!
20:58:29Davide-NYCeventually I'd like to display filetype and bitrate
20:58:33Davide-NYC:-)
20:59:00Davide-NYCis audio_current_track() documented somewhere?
20:59:10obofirmware/export/ide3.h
20:59:14linuxstb_So you need to declare "struct mp3entry* id3;" and then do "id3 = audio_current_track();"
20:59:19obo* id3.h even
20:59:50Davide-NYCover my head currently
21:00
21:00:20linuxstb_Davide-NYC: Whenever you want to know what a function in Rockbox does, just look at the source... audio_current_trackI() is defined in apps/playback.c and the mp3entry struct (as obo said) is in firmware/export/id3.h
21:01:04Davide-NYCI am still unfamiliar with the basic tools. I am reading the K&R standard C book but I'm still very new
21:01:21Davide-NYChow does one know where a particular funtion is defined?
21:02:14oboDavide-NYC: I find this (and variations on it) quite useful: find . -iname *.h | xargs grep -n function_name_here
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21:03:08Davide-NYCwoah, that *nix
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21:03:57Davide-NYCbe back in 5 min after I peruse all the rewuisite help files.
21:05:11Davide-NYCwhat does the period after the find command do>?
21:06:00lamedxargs or iname?
21:06:22lamednm
21:06:45lamedthat means the corrent directory
21:08:21Davide-NYCsame as ./ ?
21:09:00lamedafaik
21:11:01Genre9mp3bluebrother: Just a minor thing I just noticed in the manual... Since Tetrox is now renamed to Rockblox and since games are alphabetically sorted, Rockblox should be placed right after Pong and not where it is now
21:11:37bluebrotherindeed. Haven't noticed that yet as I'm pretty short on time the last days.
21:12:11linuxstbSounds like the kind of trivial fix I could do...
21:12:19Genre9mp3And...BTW...wow...Rockbox has 20 games? Just realised that! :)
21:12:32Davide-NYCdon;t get me started
21:12:42Davide-NYC;-)
21:13:00bluebrotherI'm really for divinging the plugins dir into categories ... too many plugins ;-)
21:13:33Genre9mp3Davide-NYC: I remember reading a post of you in the forums... I guess you weren't kiddin'... ;)
21:14:02*linuxstb commits the rockblox change to the manual
21:14:13Genre9mp3linuxstb: :)
21:14:48lameddavide-NYC - I hoped you complained over misticriver like I told you :P
21:15:10Davide-NYCnah, I'll just 'make it known' in a more subtle way around here.
21:15:23Davide-NYCranting like a drip over time rather than a flood.
21:15:46peturgot a problem then?
21:15:49Davide-NYCback to struct and what it really is etc.
21:16:51lamedwhat does va_end( ap ); does? it's gui related, and I just have to know where to put the command. I think it's right after the last time I use (ap) on the same function, right?
21:17:08pixelmabluebrother: speeking of it.. is there a reason why the mosaique plugin is named mosaic in the manual?
21:17:16Davide-NYCpetur: not really, I'm just a recording and playback guy without coding talent and wishes more devs were of similar attitide.
21:17:22peturlamed: no, it's variable argument related
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21:18:03lamed?
21:18:19bluebrothernone that I know of ... I guess it's simply a typo.
21:18:24peturDavide-NYC: well bad news: not only am I short of time, my dev disk crashed (not even 6 months old) so I'll need to replace that first :(
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21:18:42Davide-NYCwhat brand was it?
21:18:47peturSamsung
21:18:55peturSp2504C
21:18:58Davide-NYChmm, those are usually good.
21:19:02peturthey are
21:19:03pixelmabluebrother: it's also the name of the tex-file
21:19:16Davide-NYCpetur: word of caution: do not buy maxtor
21:19:26*petur sticks to samsung
21:19:40peturmy other drive is almost 3 years old, no problems
21:19:48Davide-NYCthey are generally quiet, more so than other brands
21:19:57Davide-NYCI swear by western digital
21:20:02peturthe disk spins up and self-tests, just no connection on the SAT -> failed electronics
21:20:07lamedpetur - care filling me up upon va_end or i should l00k it up?
21:20:17*Genre9mp3 agrees with Davide-NYC about maxtor
21:20:38peturlamed: no time, I leave in 15 minutes to tape a show ;)
21:20:52hcslinuxstb: finished the with patch test, ran 6 hours 47 minutes from 100% to 5%
21:21:43***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:21:55lamed:)
21:22:55hcsnow recharging for comparison, it wouldn't make sense to do it straight from CVS 'cause I know the thing won't run without freezing for that long...
21:23:26hcsso should I compare it with HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ removed?
21:23:32Learlamed: put it after last ap use.
21:23:41*nls 's WD crashed a year ago ;-)
21:24:17lamedhehe
21:24:59Davide-NYCqq: where do I find a good example of pulling strings from an mp3entry struct?
21:25:13Genre9mp3Please...I don't want to know about crashed WDs...
21:25:20hcsmaybe I'll throw the apple firmware back on, these batteries are getting pretty weak
21:25:46Davide-NYCfilename, bitrate and codec info especially.
21:26:19Learwps code?
21:26:44Leargwps-common.c to be specific
21:27:17Davide-NYCsweet
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21:29:23hcslinuxstb: finished the with patch test, ran 6 hours 47 minutes from 100% to 5%
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21:30:48*petur grabs his h340, mics, mic-amp and runs off
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21:32:24linuxstbhcs: Yes, saw that in the logs.
21:32:35hcsah, cool, sorry, didn't realize
21:33:13linuxstbThat seems a reasonable runtime for a 4g.
21:33:41hcsyep, so now I'm wondering what I should do for comparison
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21:34:18*linuxstb commits a game bugfix to annoy Davide-NYC :)
21:34:26Davide-NYCLOL!
21:34:56Learlinuxstb: annoying, some data the aac decoder requires up front can be found after actual audio data...
21:35:13Leardon't really want to put all that decoding in metadata.c...
21:35:18Bagder"Seems everyone is too busy implementing rubbish like the demo's and stupid games"
21:35:21Bagder;-P
21:35:36*Bagder reads GoldenQuotes
21:35:37linuxstbLear: Weird... I thought all the metadata was before the audio data in mp4...
21:36:53lamedI'm wondering on a line that says
21:37:05lamed# if defined(SIMULATOR)
21:37:13lamedsorry
21:37:20lamed#if || defined(SIMULATOR)
21:37:24lamed screen->update();
21:37:38LearNope, that's not a requirement... In this particular file, the stsd atom is after the mdat... same goes for stsz and stts.
21:37:38linuxstbBagder: Any thoughts on this? http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/HTML/new_rockbox.html
21:37:55Bagderlinuxstb: I like it a lot
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21:38:01lamedi guess that in older times the simulator couldnt update?
21:38:02linuxstbBagder: Will you do it?
21:38:15Bagderlinuxstb: yeps, I'll do it during this week
21:38:32linuxstbWill the wiki need updating separately?
21:38:37Bagderyes
21:38:48linuxstbAnd I see Paul_The_Nerd has arrived just in time....
21:39:30*lamed asks everyone to take a look at his question
21:39:46linuxstblamed: Which file is that in/
21:39:46Paul_The_NerdJust in time?
21:39:57lamedsplash
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21:40:16pepie34Hi
21:40:22lamedhi ho
21:40:24linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Bagder just said he'll update the rockbox.org menu this week.
21:40:45pepie34How can I exclude a directory from the tagbase build ?
21:41:15Paul_The_NerdAny objection to me doing it to the forums before it hits the main site, or should I wait?
21:41:39BagderI don't mind, go ahead
21:41:46Learlamed: in this case: the simulator always needs a screen update, even for the charcells version.
21:41:50linuxstblamed: The Player sim needs lcd_update(), but the target doesn;t.
21:41:55*bluebrother was just about committing the correctly sorted Rockblox but noticed being too late
21:42:26linuxstbbluebrother: Sorry :) I did say I had done it...
21:42:40bluebrothernever mind ;-)
21:43:32lamedthe whole line is #if defined(HAVE_LCD_BITMAP) || defined(SIMULATOR) \n screen->update();
21:44:07*bluebrother changed the name of mosai{c,que}
21:44:41lamedso i don't think it's about the player?
21:45:16linuxstblamed: The only case where that #if is false is a real Player build.
21:45:20lamednmnmnm
21:45:42lamedstupid me
21:45:50Davide-NYCin mp3entry->path[MAX_PATH] how does MAX_PATH work? I want to disply just the filename with extention
21:46:00*Paul_The_Nerd backs up the old theme, just in case he does something stupid.
21:46:03Paul_The_NerdAgain
21:46:25*bluebrother just closed FS #6090 which got fixed by linuxstb earlier :D
21:48:24Leardavide-nyc: locate last "/" and display from the next char, if found.
21:48:57Davide-NYCso I feed it an int?
21:49:02Davide-NYCpath[1]?
21:49:34*Davide-NYC wished the debug screen 'worked' in the sim
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21:50:33LearNo, you use strrchr(mp3entry->path, '/'). If result is NULL, just print path, otherwise result + 1.
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21:52:55Davide-NYCAh! MAX_PATH is a constant, defined elsewhere that is the maximum allowed path length. (prob target dependant) right?
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21:53:07Davide-NYCpath is an array of chars
21:53:16LearYes.
21:53:33Davide-NYCslowly but surely people. less and less stupid everyday
21:53:38Davide-NYC:-P
21:53:58linuxstbYou'll be able to write your own games soon...
21:54:31Davide-NYCnext question (last for the day) if mp3entry->codectype return an int, where do I find the table that tells me (a human) what int is what codec?
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21:57:06Davide-NYCLear: thanks, but not familiar with enum.
21:57:23Davide-NYCto pull a string to display in debug_menu.c what do I do?
21:57:29Learunknown starts at 0, then add one for each item.
21:57:32godzirraSlasheri: ok, this is driving me freaking insane.
21:57:33Davide-NYCI've got the filename displaying
21:57:43godzirraSlasheri: The -first- time I ran it it didnt work with all of Pulp Fiction on there.
21:57:50godzirraso I took them off and added them 5 at a time
21:57:54godzirraI got the whole CD on
21:57:56godzirraand tag cache works
21:58:04*godzirra sighs.
21:58:09Leartable, or if, or switch to decode number to string.
21:58:18Davide-NYCsnprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), "codectype: %s", id3->codectype); that's gonna display a number right?
21:58:31Lear"%d" will.
21:58:47Davide-NYCwhat will %s display?
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22:00:36Paul_The_NerdAlright guys, forum updated
22:00:38Learin this case, something completely different. :)
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22:01:36linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Looks wrong to me...
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22:03:27Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Try refreshing?
22:03:30nlsthe boxes are missing and the color of the links changed
22:03:46linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Better :)
22:04:01Paul_The_NerdSome browsers don't happily update the .css in use.
22:04:02nlsyeah nice :)
22:06:49Davide-NYCback in a few
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22:07:18preglowPaul_The_Nerd: are those "don't post here" forums a removal-in-progress, or?
22:07:59Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: They contain old posts that I've been a bit slow on moving over to the new forums. They're mostly there now for when someone goes "Didn't there used to be a thread on..." and I realize I missed one that was important to bring over.
22:08:03Paul_The_NerdMost members can't see them.
22:08:16preglowahhh
22:08:17preglowok
22:08:36preglowi thought they were visible for all
22:09:27Paul_The_NerdNah. Only certain groups see them. In case there's anything important there, but it's beginning to seem less and less like it's worth the time to sift through them all.
22:09:37preglowprobably not, no
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22:10:19*tucoz notices a new menu on rockbox.org :)
22:10:24linuxstbI only realised a few days ago that I could hide them by clicking on the arrow next to the forum group title...
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22:11:17tucozShould we add a link to the wiki if someone clicks bugreports now?
22:11:34Paul_The_NerdI'll probably hide them from everyone but administrators sometime soon. I mostly had them visible to devs / experts to ease the transition for overlooked things. Now I imagine there aren't too many "lost" threads in them any more that people will ask about
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22:11:38tucozOr wait until that page is written?
22:11:47Kitt0shey, here is a stupid question
22:11:55Kitt0sdo i add the patch after or before compling?
22:12:00Paul_The_NerdBefore.
22:12:53linuxstbAlthough it's a good idea to compile once - to make sure it all works, and then start applying the patches.
22:13:27Paul_The_NerdOkay, I've hidden the "old" boards, I believe from everyone but admins, since they're not really of use any more but may still hide a few important things that got missed.
22:13:53bluebrotherwe have a new website menu? Nice :)
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22:17:06tucozBagder, are you fixing the webpage atm? In that case, could you chang 'Rockbox Logo' to 'Rockbox.org home' or something like that for the alt text?
22:17:15Bagderah right
22:17:35tucozthat would be of interest to Paul_The_Nerd as well
22:18:13*Paul_The_Nerd wanders off to do that
22:18:20linuxstbBagder: You may know this, but /download/ still has the old menu
22:18:47*linuxstb takes that back...
22:18:51Bagderfixed now
22:19:52Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: Fixed on the forums
22:20:01tucozcool
22:20:06tucoz:)
22:20:26linuxstbBagder: Thanks, but also /download/old.html
22:20:43bluebrothershouldn't "Daily Built Manuals" read "Build"?
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22:20:56gaillardis a developer here?
22:21:13gaillardi have a big old fat bug for you guys and can't seem to figure out how to report it
22:21:28tucozPaul_The_Nerd, I have to ask you something (being from the US). I watched the first two rocky movies the other day, and rocky's coach talks with a funny accent. Similar to popeye. He says 'let's go to woik' and stuff like that
22:21:48tucozPaul_The_Nerd, do you know what that accent is?
22:21:49*bluebrother is away for a bit
22:22:10d0nutlol I want to know too, lol
22:22:28linuxstbgaillard: What's the problem/
22:22:30linuxstb?
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22:22:38d0nutwhat tucoz said
22:22:49gaillardok
22:22:51d0nut"I watched the first two rocky movies the other day, and rocky's coach talks with a funny accent. Similar to popeye. He says 'let's go to woik' and stuff like that"
22:22:58Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: I really couldn't say. I have never met a real human being that speaks like that. :)
22:22:59gaillardits with wavpack
22:23:15gaillardthere is a bug where wavpack codec on my ipod color doesn't fill the buffer all the way up
22:23:29Paul_The_Nerdgaillard: Have you signed up at the flyspray page yet? There really is a link in the upper left to add a new task.
22:23:30linuxstbgaillard: Did you post in the forum about it?
22:23:33preglowtucoz: i thought that was stereotypical new york gangstah talk
22:23:37gaillardthere for when it gets to zero the music cuts out and it fills a little ways (again not all the way up) and it does this over and over
22:23:47gaillardyes i did
22:23:51Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6796
22:23:52gaillardan administrator was helping me about it
22:24:10gaillardi registered but it won't send me the email for some reason
22:24:14Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: For some odd reason his is only buffering 2mb at a time.
22:24:18linuxstbgaillard: I tested wavpack today (on my 5g) ipod after reading your post, and couldn't recreate the problem - the codec buffer gets to almost empty, and then refills. No gaps.
22:24:40tucozpreglow, but it's not really like that. It's not that new jersey gangster accent. it sounds more like a speach impediment
22:25:09Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: I think it's just supposed to be some sort of bastardized dockworker/sailer accent.
22:25:09gaillardits a new default installation
22:25:49gaillardis mine 5g i have no idea
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22:25:58d0nutdoes anyone know if there is a standard iriver style WPS for rockbox?
22:26:11gaillardbut flac works fine and wavpack does this
22:26:12tucozPaul_The_Nerd, that is probably what it is. Words such as; word, work, hurt etc, is woid, woik, hoit.
22:26:27linuxstbgaillard: If your boost is 100%, then there is something odd with your wavpack file. With my file, it's only about 25% boost.
22:26:32Paul_The_Nerdd0nut: If there's not one in the gallery, you could always make one.
22:26:49tucozand popeye being a sailor, that is probably what it is. it was just funny to hear someone other that popeye talk like that :)
22:26:51gaillardso is the flac file i tested. they are good wavpack files... encoded like the docs say
22:27:08d0nutyeah I suppose, there is a really small selection of WPSs for the 5gb h10s anyway
22:27:21linuxstbgaillard: I don't use wavpack, so don't know the details, but I think there are some wavpack encoder settings which produce hard to decode files. Can you remember your encoder options?
22:27:29gaillardyes
22:27:35gaillardit is -h -m -x
22:27:45gaillardthe x makes it asymetrical but that only affects encoding
22:28:02gaillardi have some non supported tags but that shouldn't effect anything
22:28:14tucozsee you
22:28:15Paul_The_Nerd"shouldn't" doesn't mean "won't"
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22:28:30gaillardwell they aren't not allowed its just theres no display of them
22:28:38gaillardlike i have cover_artist instead of artist
22:28:38Paul_The_NerdDo you mean non-supported as in, not in the wavpack spec, or non-supported as in just ones we don't show in WPS?
22:28:47gaillardthe latter
22:28:50Paul_The_NerdAh
22:29:27gaillardmost of my wavpack files i encoded i think with like version 4.3 or so
22:29:36gaillardso not terribley out of date or anything wierd
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22:29:50markunBagder: the menu in the wiki has some extra <p>'s
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22:29:54webguest68helo
22:30:03gaillardany idea?
22:30:26preglowgaillard: sample rate?
22:30:29webguest68anyone know how to start up rockbox once its on the iPod 5G
22:30:31gaillard44.1
22:30:31preglownumber of channels?
22:30:33webguest68?
22:30:35gaillard2
22:30:36preglowordinary cd audio?
22:30:37preglowok
22:30:39gaillardyes
22:30:39linuxstbgaillard: I would try encoding without the -h and -x options and see if it makes any difference.
22:30:42preglowthen this iv ery weird
22:30:46gaillard-h is default
22:30:49preglow-x should make no difference on decoding speed
22:30:53preglow-h will make an impact
22:30:57gaillardand i tried one without -x same thing
22:31:13preglow-h is not default, afaik
22:31:23gaillardlet me check
22:31:38linuxstbWasn't there some kind of wavpack files that originally didn't play in realtime on the ipod, and David Bryant did some optimisations for them?
22:31:56preglow-h, i believe
22:32:09linuxstbwebguest68: What do you see when you turn your ipod on?
22:32:21webguest68the apple firmwire
22:32:32linuxstbTry holding MENU+SELECT to reboot.
22:32:39webguest68okay
22:32:43webguest68it rebooted
22:33:01linuxstbIs it loading Rockbox or the Apple firmware?
22:33:08webguest68apple firmwire
22:33:14gaillardi tried a wavpack file that just is -h and its the same thing
22:33:19webguest68is rockbox suppose to boot instead?
22:33:22gaillardeveryone uses -h if its lossless
22:33:29gaillardit slows by a factor of two the specs say
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22:33:54Paul_The_NerdAnd a factor of two is a lot on a tiny processor.
22:34:03gaillardbut enough to cause this
22:34:12gaillard?
22:34:15rconanprobably
22:34:22gaillardi mean flac works fine in the highest setting
22:34:29gaillardand thats slower than -h wavpack
22:34:33linuxstbwebguest68: Yes. Do you see a light-blue screen with black writing before the Apple firmware starts, or does it just start the Apple firmware immediately?
22:34:34Paul_The_NerdSays who?
22:34:53webguest68hold i think i know what i did wrong
22:34:53Paul_The_Nerdgaillard: What evidence do you have that -h wavpack is faster than flac at level 8 on Rockbox?
22:35:00webguest68lemme try and reinstall it
22:35:07gaillardhey i don't mean on rockbox... :P
22:35:14lamedit somehow seems weird that the light blue text are not linking to anything. they look more like "click me!" then seperators.
22:35:15Paul_The_NerdWell that's the only place it matters.
22:35:25gaillardand i have no control over that
22:35:36gaillardwavpack is faster than flac with the same compression
22:35:45Paul_The_NerdNot on Rockbox
22:35:54rconangaillard: why not just try without the -h to check that's not the problem
22:36:00gaillardcan that not be fixed
22:36:00Paul_The_NerdThe Rockbox flac codec is very significantly faster than the wavpack one.
22:36:26webguest68just making sure is all you have to do to install rockbox on 5G iPod is just copy and paste the ALL of the folders in the root of th iPod
22:36:33Paul_The_NerdAnd seeing as the original wavpack designer has done a lot of the work on the wavpack codec, I can only assume that it's not an easy thing to be fixed, and that maybe wavpack isn't faster in fixed point low-memory environments
22:36:33webguest68?
22:36:41rconanwebguest68: no
22:36:53gaillardhmm
22:36:53rconanyou need to install a bootloader
22:36:57webguest68how
22:37:02webguest68like loader 2
22:37:04Paul_The_NerdThe instructions in the manual, perhaps?
22:37:09linuxstbwebguest68: Read the install instructions in the manual. Or you may want to try the unofficial installer here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6757.0
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22:37:17gaillardill be back
22:37:21rconanwebguest68: yeah
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22:38:24Nico_Phi everyone
22:39:05Nico_Pis anyone who has a clue about the AAC/MP4 codec online ?
22:39:14webguest68sorry for acting like such a noob this is my 1st time using rockbox
22:39:21webguest68is am a previous linux user
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22:39:46Paul_The_NerdNico_P: The general consensus is that "it's worse than we'd like, and we're hoping ffmpeg has something nice for us soon" I think. :-P
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22:40:40Nico_Pwell with the latest optimisations i was hoping i could listen to podcasts on my H320
22:40:52Nico_Ponly they are in a weird format rockbox doesn't like
22:41:00Nico_Pso i started investigationg ways around this
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22:41:24webguest13hey
22:41:25Nico_Pbut now my files just make rockbox crash :p
22:42:28Nico_Pi've tried extracting the raw aac stream and then repacking it into MP4 but without any luck so far
22:42:41webguest13anyone here have any previous experience with iPod linux?????????
22:42:52Paul_The_NerdYou're in #rockbox, not #ipodlinux
22:43:03webguest13i know im just wondering
22:43:07Nico_Pso i was hoping someone could tell me what tool i can use to create an MP4 file that will work
22:43:34Paul_The_Nerdwebguest13: Why not just seek support in the proper place?
22:43:49Paul_The_NerdNico_P: I believe the only way known to consistently create playable files is using iTunes to encode them
22:43:56webguest13w/e
22:44:09linuxstbNico_P: I think Lear is investigating the mp4 parser, so he may know. But he's not here...
22:44:15webguest13sorry this is my first ever time using this
22:44:56webguest13im installing the unoffical installer of rockbox i was wondering do i need to end some applicatoions in order for this to work right
22:44:56Nico_PPaul_The_Nerd: that's a shame, i'd like to avoid encoding, since i already have an aac stream
22:45:04linuxstbNico_P: There's a patch on flyspray which may help.
22:45:13Nico_Pif i were to encode, i'd do it directly to MP3
22:45:27Nico_Plinuxstb: thanks, i'll try that
22:46:05linuxstbwebguest13: Rockbox is just a single download - all the applications are installed together.
22:46:07Nico_Pactually i thought it would've been committed by now
22:46:41linuxstbI think Lear is still working on it. Also, I don't think there's been much (if any) feedback to say if it helps or not.
22:47:02Genre9mp3webguest13: The only seperate download that you'll need is the fonts
22:47:15webguest13sweet thanks
22:47:46Nico_Plinuxstb: well he answered a post of mine in the forum this evening so i assume he hasn't completly disappeared
22:48:01Nico_Phttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6748.0
22:48:13linuxstbNo, he's still around, just not here at this moment.
22:48:17Nico_Pok
22:48:29webguest13so can rockbox run programs like i
22:48:33webguest13iDoom
22:48:35webguest13and iBoy
22:48:43Nico_Phe didn't even mention his patch in the post he made :(
22:48:50Nico_Pi'll try it
22:49:08linuxstbwebguest13: The manual has a list of "plugins" that run with Rockbox - http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
22:50:07webguest13so how do i install those
22:50:41hcslinuxstb: any suggestions for further tests I should run once I get my ipod recharged?
22:50:42Paul_The_Nerdwebguest13: Remember when linuxstb told you that everything is installed together?
22:50:45linuxstbwebguest13: Everything in the manual comes with the initial installation.
22:50:46Nico_Pwell i'm off to boot linux now then
22:50:53Nico_Pbye and thx
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22:54:42webguest13totally random question: whose gonna win the superbowl this year?
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22:55:20linuxstbWhat's the superbowl?
22:55:23rconanwebguest13: the patriots obvioiusly
22:55:30webguest13haha
22:56:05webguest13i say the bears
22:56:12rconanwe shall see
22:56:20Paul_The_NerdI say American Football can bite me.
22:56:25webguest13fuck you
22:56:31webguest13u canadian
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22:56:40webguest13are u canadian
22:56:52Paul_The_NerdNot even close
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22:56:58webguest13then?
22:57:02mhitehello
22:57:26rconanthe bears are 4-0-0 which is definitely a good start
22:57:43webguest13yea i know grossmans doin beastly
22:57:56*linuxstb threatens to start talking about cricket
22:58:04*Paul_The_Nerd points out again that this it #rockbox, and not #guyshittingeachother.
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22:58:47webguest13rockbox is taking forever to install
22:58:55*rconan notices that theres no rockbox discussion going on otherwise he wouldnt be talking about american football
22:59:01rconanscratch that there is now
22:59:03Genre9mp3linuxstb: LOL
22:59:20webguest13it pissin me off
22:59:37mhiteany 4g greyscale ipod rockbox users here?
23:00
23:00:14linuxstbmhite: No, but I have a Photo - it's very similar.
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23:00:34Paul_The_Nerdwebguest13: It took me less than a minute to install. Blame whoever wrote the unofficial installer, and go and complain to them.
23:00:36webguest13who do you thinks gonna win the BCS
23:01:17mhiteTried to install today's build and now I can't boot it or mount the drive
23:01:23mhiteAny ideas of what to do?
23:01:27linuxstbAnyone know if CPUFREQ_DEFAULT is used on the ipods?
23:01:38Paul_The_Nerdmhite: What sort of player?
23:01:44linuxstbmhite: What happens when you try to boot? Does it just freeze?
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23:02:51amiconnBagder: around?
23:03:02*amiconn has a license compatibility question...
23:03:03mhitePaul it's a 4g IPod greyscale
23:03:32Paul_The_Nerdmhite: And you can't get it to boot into emergency disk mode, or are you saying it won't mount *in* that mode?
23:03:35mhitelinxstb: right now the battery is dead
23:03:57mhitelinuxstb: but when it had some juice it actually froze at the rockbox boot screen, right after saying it had loaded the firmware
23:04:15linuxstbmhite: That would stop it working... You need to hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then SELECT+PLAY to force it into disk mode. From there, you can charge or try a different Rockbox build.
23:04:36linuxstbSomething else that's always worth trying is to force a settings reset - turn the hold switch on as your ipod is booting.
23:04:51mhiteOkay, I hold down play and middle button, right?
23:05:20mhiteAny suggestions on a build people have had luck with?
23:05:48mhiteseems the ipod is a tricky platform for the rockbox
23:06:52linuxstbmhite: Wait a few minutes, I would like to give you a test build which hopefully fixes the 4g stablity issue.
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23:08:45mhiteLinuxstb: will do
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23:12:40linuxstbOK, I'm just about to start compiling for you.
23:16:15mhiteI had a <somewhat> working version from about a month ago...
23:16:34linuxstbmhite: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-4gtest.zip
23:17:17webguest13in order to install rockbox manually: is all you have to do is install the loader 2 and copy and paste the rockbox files in the root of the iPod
23:17:22linuxstbThat's a current cvs build with the last patch from here applied: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095
23:18:47hcswebguest13: you could install rockbox manually by installing the rockbox bootloader, too...
23:19:08webguest13but could u also loader2 ?
23:19:16hcsyes
23:19:30webguest13excatly what files do u need
23:19:38hcsfor rockbox?
23:19:45webguest13could u give me a link for 5G iPod files please
23:19:45webguest13?
23:19:55webguest13yes
23:19:58mhitelinuxstb: copying to the ipod nwo
23:20:03mhitenwo=now
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23:20:28hcswebguest13: http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip
23:21:10mhitelinuxstb: well it booted this time
23:21:11mhite:)
23:21:18mhitetoday's build didn't even boot for me
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23:21:52linuxstbmhite: That's good. Please let us know how you get on - hopefully that build will prove to be stable.
23:23:21mhiteIf I hold "MENU" while plugging in the Ipod cable, aren't I supposed to be able to have the interface open and be in disk mode?
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23:24:18hcsmhite: holding menu prevents rockbox from rebooting into disk mode when you connect the cable
23:24:37hcsthere is no disk mode for ipods in rockbox yet
23:25:26lamedguys, do you think I should go "#if (LCD_WIDTH > 255) \n unsigned short widths[10]; \n #else \n unsigned char widths[10]; or is it better to save up on the ifdefs? (and use only the 'unsigned short')
23:25:43mhiteAh, so holding MENU allows charging while still be able to use the interface
23:25:55hcsmhite: correct
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23:27:34lamedanyone?
23:28:19mhitelinuxstb: will let you know how this one holds up? what symptoms should i be on the lookout for?
23:28:55mhiteyikes that just rebooted while i was initializing the tag cache
23:30:22mhitebattery was low, though (although i have it plugged into usb)
23:31:06hcsin heavy usage it can use more than it can get over usb
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23:31:38hcs500mA, I don't know if the power supply is also thus limited
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23:32:05webguest13anyone know how to get back to the apple firmwire from rockbox
23:32:56Soap_OutOfTownthere are instructions for removing the bootloader in the wiki
23:33:59Paul_The_Nerdhcs: In Rockbox, I believe it only gets 100 over USB, actually.
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23:34:43lamedshould I ask again? ah, nope, I'll just do whatever I think :)
23:35:58hcsPaul_The_Nerd: interesting, its listed as 500mA on lsusb
23:36:04Paul_The_Nerd"lsusb"?
23:36:18Paul_The_NerdAh, nevermind
23:36:49Paul_The_Nerdhcs: Are you actually in Rockbox (held Menu while plugging in) or are you in disk mode / apple?
23:37:02hcsPaul_The_Nerd: ah, I reread your message, it is quite possible that it only gets 100mA in rockbox, the number I recalled was from when in disk mode
23:37:20webguest13does putting rockbox on an iPod 5G COMPLETELY remove the apple firmware
23:37:21webguest13?
23:37:30hcsonly if you set it up that way
23:37:47Soap_OutOfTownCan I use the Rockboy pluggin from current CVS w/o upgrading my entire build? Or are they attached-at-the-hip?
23:37:47Paul_The_Nerdwebguest13: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
23:38:08Paul_The_NerdSoap_OutOfTown: They're attached at the hip, but *sometimes* you can get away with it.
23:39:45Soap_OutOfTownThen I bet it won't work. I'm using an old build w/the scroll acceleration patch, and mid-august was before quite a few button changes. I was hopeful the pluggin was more "independant"
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23:41:24linuxstb_Soap_OutOfTown: It depends how old your build is. The plugin API changed when I added the absolute wheel position patch about a week ago.
23:42:39Soap_OutOfTownyep, too old it sounds. I was hopeful for the "best of both worlds" = scroll acceleration patch + absolute wheel position
23:45:48mhitelinuxstb: when i rebuild my tagcache it reboots... however just listening to it w/o starting to tagcache seems to be ok so far
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23:48:24hcshmm, I haven't tried building the tagcache with the patch, in fact I've never generated the tagcache on rockbox, I always pregenerate it offline
23:48:29linuxstb_mhite: That's probably just your low battery - building tagcache will spin the disk for a long time.
23:49:16mhitelinuxstb: think so? this is with it plugged into the usb port
23:49:47hcsas noted, usb only provides about 100mA
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23:51:09hcsyou might to leave it charging in disk mode for a while
23:54:52mhiteOH
23:54:53mhiteI see.
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23:58:19mhiteIs the a win32 exe to generate the tagcache?
23:58:24mhiteIs the=is there
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23:58:38hcsjust perl

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