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#rockbox log for 2006-10-05

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00:28:01hcsI'm trying to build a new decoder, getting the error "section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM", does this mean I'm using too much memory?
00:28:34amiconnYes, and it seems to be far too much
00:28:39amiconncheck the .map file
00:29:31hcsyeah, I'll have to take out some buffers, thanks
00:31:44hcsmono it is
00:32:01amiconn"is not within" probably means the preceding sections are already so big that .bss ends up completely outside the plugin ram
00:32:10hcsit builds now
00:32:14amiconnOtherwise you would see a different message
00:32:24hcsI had a buffer that took up fully half of PLUGIN_RAM
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00:45:31XavierGrhcs: new decoder?
00:45:46hcsnsf, currently nonworking
00:47:13XavierGrnice
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00:47:37XavierGrand pagefault is working on spc
00:47:41hcsnicer if it worked...
00:48:43AngryCan anyone explain why even if change only one line of a file a diff produces a whole new file (- all ou + all in again)
00:49:00Angryhelp appreciated
00:49:09Angry^^
00:49:11hcschanged newlines, tabs to spaces?
00:49:17Angryno
00:49:22hcsdid you editor?
00:49:28hcs*your
00:49:43Angrywhich one would you recommend...
00:49:56Angryeclipse
00:50:05Angry<−− right now
00:50:09hcsI don't know what eclipse might do
00:50:13hcsI just use vim
00:50:23Angryfreeware??
00:50:29hcsyeah
00:50:57hcsI use gedit when I need something what I can mouse around in
00:52:05Angryi gedit available for windows
00:52:06Angry?
00:52:10hcsdunno
00:52:43hcsI am not actually giving helpful suggestions...
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00:53:07AngryNo Gedit looks fine ^^ Will give that a try^^ THX
00:53:21AngryYou did^^
00:54:06vrgvim ?
00:54:08vr:)
00:54:18hcsif I want something mousable I don't want vim
00:54:55vri use scite when i want something mousable
00:56:01Angryscite looks nice also
00:56:56Angrythe code structuring functions look good... Thats my new try ^^
00:58:41hcsif my codec is running too slow, should I still be hearing sound every once in a while?
01:00
01:07:41hcsI'd expect a little blip followed by several seconds of silence followed by another blip... the audio thread debug screen indicates it is generating something, but I don't hear it
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01:26:51PierreTramohi
01:29:41markunFrom dapreview.net: "What's the big deal with X-Fi anyway? Creative claims it will restore the quality of your lossy MP3 files back to or better than the original lossless files."
01:29:49markunriiiight ;)
01:30:00scorchehaha...what?
01:30:42hcsit's super-lossy compression, it loses the bad parts of the audio
01:31:34*scorche boggles at hcs
01:31:43hcs:)
01:33:01*scorche wonders why hcs felt the need to say that
01:33:32*hcs is frustrated and blithering at random on IRC
01:33:51Soap_OutOfTownhcs - so that's what happened to my Backstreet Boys collection?
01:34:04hcssounds better now, doesn't it?
01:34:31scorchehcs: well, rockbox is an open-source replacement firmware for DAPs
01:34:37scorchejust so you know ;)
01:34:46Genre9mp3markun: I already reported that! :P
01:34:55hcsscorche: I'm missing something here
01:34:55markunGenre9mp3: ah sorry :)
01:35:14JdGordonhey scorche, can u test out a new recorder build?
01:35:20scorchei can
01:35:24markunThe actual claim from creative.com is in fact: "Creative's Sound Blaster® X-Fi XtremeMusic™ brings the revolutionary new Xtreme Fidelity audio standard to the PC. With 24-bit Crystalizer it restores the sparkle lost during MP3/WMA compression..."
01:35:39JdGordonscorche: which target?
01:35:39*scorche boggles again
01:35:45scorchev1
01:36:46markundoesn't sound to me like they claim it will be better than the original
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01:37:21Genre9mp3markun: Here's another actual quote from Creative's press release: "...Xmod, a device based upon its X-Fi Xtreme Fidelity audio platform that improves music playback quality for MP3, WMA, iTunes or AAC songs to beyond the original CD quality"
01:37:38Genre9mp3http://www.creative.com/press/releases/welcome.asp?pid=12620
01:37:44Genre9mp3first paragraph
01:37:48scorchei would love to see how exactly they manage to do that
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01:38:15O11|bedyo
01:38:23Genre9mp3I think it sucks that they actually claim such things...
01:38:27 Nick O11|bed is now known as O11 (n=irc@82-35-97-118.cable.ubr05.dals.blueyonder.co.uk)
01:38:37O11just finished a benchtest..
01:38:45markunscorche: the Gigabeat S has a feature which also 'restores' the high frequencies lost by MP3 compression.
01:38:49O11can anyone help me understand it?
01:38:54markunIt also cuts the battery time in half
01:38:58O11why does the time start at just over 1 hour?
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01:39:03scorchemarkun: but how?
01:39:14markunscorche: by making them up?
01:39:22scorchehehe
01:39:44markunThey call it 'harmonics'. Maybe that gives a clue of what they are doing
01:39:49Genre9mp3They just enhance the sound...this has nothing to do with quality at all!
01:40:08scorcheanything you cant do with an eq?
01:40:16O11beep
01:40:37Genre9mp3The trick word is " Psychoacoustics"
01:40:57scorcherelated to "Psychodevelopers"?
01:41:25Genre9mp3You think that the music is more "lively" and "shiny"... but again nothing to do with the _quality_
01:41:54pixelma011: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1530008.4.1 (information explained - time) ;)
01:43:13O11pixelma: thankyou!
01:43:57pixelmasorry about your nick... O11 :)
01:49:14Sinbiosmarkun: they're probably just tricking your mind into thinking there's more detail by using an equalizer or something
01:50:26preglowno
01:50:29preglowthey're creating harmonics
01:50:40preglowthis is exactly what sbr does in mp3pro and aacplus
01:50:44preglow(he-aac)
01:51:22Genre9mp3Btw.... does Rockbox support aacplus?
01:51:35PierreTramoit would be great to have an option that could be applied to a folder
01:51:46PierreTramoand which would enable counters of plays of each file
01:52:03PierreTramoand it could suggest a list of files never played
01:52:09PierreTramo(useful for my podcasts, in fact)
01:52:19PierreTramo(i'm using ipodder and rsync with my iriver)
01:52:36preglowGenre9mp3: no
01:52:42O11pixelma: sorry about my nick?
01:52:44preglowGenre9mp3: i don't know if we have enough horsepower for it anyway
01:52:56PierreTramodo you think this could be possible/hard to code/interesting?
01:52:57preglowO11: she wrote it with a zero instead of an o
01:53:25O11oh.. it's supposed to be with a zero.. irc just doesn't allow nicks beginning with numbers ;_;
01:53:28Genre9mp3preglow: Same for Mp3pro? (about horse power) - though mp3pro sucks IMO
01:53:30preglowheh
01:54:09preglowGenre9mp3: dunno, really, i think aac is slightly more cpu hungry in its basic configuration than mp3 is, plus, aacplus also includes parametric stereo which gives even more complexity
01:54:10O11where's the runtime benchtest area on the rockbox website?
01:54:19preglowmp3pro is only mp3 + sbr
01:54:43*Genre9mp3 googles parametric stereo
01:54:56O11is it in the wiki?
01:55:00preglowO11: yup
01:55:40preglowO11: depends on your player?
01:55:42preglowhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime
01:55:43preglowthat's for ipod
01:55:52preglowhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime'
01:55:54preglowthat's for iriver
01:56:18preglowwe could probably use a bigger main page including stuff like this
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01:58:56O11preglow: thanks
01:59:04O11should I switch disk poweroff on?
01:59:34preglowO11: still don't know what player you have
02:00
02:00:02Genre9mp3According to the wikipedia article, just the parametric stereo technique makes 24kbps equal to 44kbps
02:00:12Genre9mp3Sounds really promising....
02:00:23O11preglow: sorry.. iriver h320
02:00:30preglowO11: then yes, definitely
02:00:40Genre9mp3(but I don't know if actually _sounds_ that, too)
02:00:43preglowGenre9mp3: don't believe every figure you read like that
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02:00:55Genre9mp3preglow: yes
02:01:13O11do i have to get write persmission to be able to submit my benchtest results?
02:01:20preglowi don't really know how ps works either
02:01:33preglowO11: probably, i don't really know how the wiki works these days
02:01:41scorcheO11: yes
02:01:43Genre9mp3preglow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parametric_Stereo
02:01:53preglowGenre9mp3: yeah, but that doesn't really tell me how it works
02:01:54O11it says I should introduce myself on irc =D
02:01:57Genre9mp3At least it says the concept there
02:02:12*scorche tips his hat to O11
02:02:12O11can someone give me write permission? or do I need to make an account first..
02:02:17*O11 makes an account
02:02:22scorcheyou need to regiuster of course
02:02:25preglowO11: heh, then you need to find someone that can give you write permission
02:02:28preglowi don't think i can
02:02:43preglowGenre9mp3: yeah, sure, but i want to know more :>
02:02:45scorchepreglow: anyone with write permissions already can do it
02:03:20scorchepreglow: just requires adding them to TWikiUsersGroup
02:03:24Genre9mp3preglow: I'm sure you do! :)
02:03:57preglowscorche: oh
02:04:08preglowthen i can do it :>
02:04:17Genre9mp3really...what's the licensing on these techniques?
02:04:43preglowGenre9mp3: they're probably patented all of them
02:04:44preglowm
02:05:08O11I'm JohannesCharman
02:05:38Genre9mp3But are they open to public? (sorry for not knowin a lot about that)
02:05:52preglowlooks like someone's already on it
02:06:00scorcheO11: done
02:06:08O11thanks! =)
02:06:12preglowGenre9mp3: depends what you mean, faad already can decode sbr, as far as i know, and we've got that in cvs
02:06:29preglowscorche: looks like a ton of the names in that page aren't registered anymore?
02:07:01preglowor do they just not have pages?
02:07:04Genre9mp3preglow: So only the parametric stereo stuff is Rockbox missing from aac atm?
02:07:08scorcheeither way
02:07:24scorchebut that is more of a Bagder/Zagor thing
02:07:42preglowGenre9mp3: looks like ps is there as well
02:07:44markunpreglow: what's the difference between "Parametric Stereo" and joint-stereo?
02:07:54preglowmarkun: joint stereo still encodes two channels
02:08:26O11err.. how do you edit?
02:08:36scorcheO11: the "edit" link
02:08:47Genre9mp3preglow: Then why can't play aacplus? It just isn't realtime?
02:09:02preglowGenre9mp3: way, way too heavy
02:09:09preglowGenre9mp3: right now we can barely decode aac-lc realtime
02:09:34*O11 sees it hiding away at the bottom..
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02:11:19preglowmarkun: well, looks like one form of joint stereo is a bit like ps
02:12:03markunyes, I'm reading the wikipedia page a bit
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02:12:07markunbut time for bed now
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02:13:31Genre9mp3preglow: According to this: http://senab.iddx.net/rockbox/results.html it's a bit worse than vorbis (well at least on high bitrate vorbis)
02:13:37Genre9mp3Anyway...interesting things to know.. :)
02:14:31preglowsbr really is quite a bit of code
02:15:26O11In the wiki what does it mean by repeats?
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02:15:56scorcheO11: link?
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02:16:26O11http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime
02:17:04O11oh.. sorry.. i'm tired.. I get it..
02:17:09O11don't worry
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02:17:12scorcheheh..
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02:18:26preglowbed
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02:19:26O11bed's good
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02:28:28O11anyone know a good tag editor?
02:30:04Genre9mp3O11: Mp3Tag and Godfather
02:30:57Genre9mp3http://www.mp3tag.de/en/
02:31:01Genre9mp3http://users.otenet.gr/~jtcliper/tgf/
02:32:12O11mp3tag.. that's the one I had before.. it's nice..
02:34:25O11argh.. is there an easy way of making all the tracks be 01, 02, 03.. rather than being odd things like 1/13 or 1, 2, 3 ?
02:38:12O11goodnight
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02:39:28zeO11: in the filenames or in the tags? in the tags, i don't think they can be preceded by 0 and there's no need as stuff should sort by-track-num numerically... for filenames i dunno, if i get files named like 1 2 3 or such,
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02:39:45zei'll do something like for f in ?-*;do mv "$f" "0$f";done
02:39:45zeheh
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02:39:59zeassuming that its 1-blah 2-blah etc style
02:40:42O11argh.. i just realised..
02:40:54O11you don't want zeros do you..
02:41:12O11i knew it was either you want them or you don't want them =)
02:41:23*O11 takes them off again
02:41:26zeit doesn't matter for tags
02:41:31O11anyway.. night all
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02:41:36zefor filenames its desirable so 1 doesn't get sorted next to 10
02:41:36*scorche adds the zeros, but it doesnt really matter
02:42:13zescorche: in tags?
02:42:23zei've never seen preceding 0s actually show up in tags
02:42:56zeif i'll auto-tag with a script from filenames that contain them, meaning the commandline inadvertantly explicitly specifies 01 etc, the tags'll still always be without them
02:43:22scorchelike i said...it doesnt really matter, but i do it anyway
02:43:41zesince afaict track number tags are treated as a number, not a character sequence
02:44:28zescorche: and do you have it show up when you look at the tags later?
02:45:19scorchedepends how i look at the tag
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02:45:28zei suppose its a matter of how a program displays it
02:45:31scorchein windows, no...in winamp, yes
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02:45:50zewinamp probably does 0-padding
02:45:58zein the display
02:46:07scorchenope...some have it and some dont
02:46:19zereally?
02:46:21zestrange
02:46:22scorchedepending on how i tagged it
02:46:32zehow do you tell an int to have a prepended 0 :p
02:47:05zeor a char or short or whatever it is
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02:48:46zehcs: exactly, zero-padding in the display, but hows that care how it was tagged?
02:49:07hcsI don't know, just being useless
02:49:15zeheh
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02:59:29hcsok, nsf player working at half speed, or so
02:59:40hcsthe problem before involved careless use of "char"
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03:22:49Soap_OutOfTownO11 needs to fix his wiki entry
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03:25:08Soap_OutOfTownok, that's better
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04:07:22jhMikeSIs anything defined anywhere saying how long it takes a player's drive to spin up for writing?
04:21:30pagefaultwhat player
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04:27:05jhMikeSa defined for all players that can be used to spin the drive in advance of writing
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04:40:56Burnhey does anyone know how to play music on my ipod 5g?
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04:42:10Soap_OutOfTownI'm guessing many/most here do, what is your question in more detail?
04:42:39dimatrodhow can i set my friends' H10 to usb mode?
04:42:45dimatrodlike to be able to transfer stuff
04:43:22dimatrodas simple as it seems i simply don't know how to do it
04:44:08dimatrodhello anyone?
04:45:11Soap_OutOfTowndimatrod: I don't have a h10, but is this question about rockbox or the H10 hardware?
04:45:19dimatrodrockbox
04:45:31dimatrodjust got it on and don't know how to set it on usb mode hehehe
04:46:02Burnhey i add my music using itunes and when i go into rockbox and play it all the music are in albums and all in code
04:46:20Soap_OutOfTownBurn: read the manual about TagCache
04:46:40Soap_OutOfTownitunes scrambles file names and uses its own database to display files by their tags.
04:47:35dimatrodso nobody here knows my issue?
04:47:37Soap_OutOfTownrockbox can not read this database directly, but has its own tag database, called tagcache. You need to enable it, build the database, reboot, and change your file view from filetree to tagcache, then you can use the same files itunes does.
04:47:48dimatrodwell not quite issue but way of going to usb mode?
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04:49:16Soap_OutOfTowndimatrod: I don't have an h10
04:49:23dimatrodoh
04:49:40dimatrodi can't seem to find a way to do this in the manuals also..
04:49:47BurnSoap_OutOfTown: ok thanks but how do i add tagcache?
04:50:33dimatrodoh i got it going
04:50:46Soap_OutOfTownBurn: there is an excellent manual for rockbox.
04:50:53dimatrodhad to press the circle button as i turn the player on to get to usb mode
04:50:59Soap_OutOfTownI don't have time to walk you through all the steps.
04:51:20Burncould you tell me the site of the manual?
04:51:37dimatrodon the daily builds site
04:51:47dimatrodunder your player, there's a Manual link
04:51:50dimatrodit's in PDF
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04:51:58dimatrodalternatively, i do have time to tell you
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04:52:40Burnlolz ok thans :D
04:53:52Burnalso i got another question: what are the differences between daily builds, cvs builds and releases? i dont get what they all are for
04:54:28Soap_OutOfTownthere are no releases for the ipod
04:54:40dimatrodcvs is the latest build
04:54:43Soap_OutOfTowndaily builds qet built automaticly every day.
04:54:51dimatrodlike it has the latest comisions to the build
04:54:55dimatrodit may contain more bugs
04:55:09Soap_OutOfTowncvs builds get built multiple times a day - everytime someone commits a change - no matter how little or big.
04:55:10dimatroddailies are just more stable, though don't have the day's newest features
04:55:24dimatrodhehe you're reading it twice here
04:55:28dimatrodbut he got it more right
04:55:30Soap_OutOfTownthere is no reason a daily would be more stable.
04:55:52Soap_OutOfTownthey are nothing more than a CVS build at the end of the day.
04:58:23Burnok so they're both quite the same right?
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05:00:43Burnso... wheres the tag cache menu?
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05:02:56dimatrodok
05:03:01dimatrodgo to general settings
05:03:13dimatrodfile view
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05:03:19dimatrodTag Cache
05:03:24dimatrodInitialize Now
05:03:27dimatrodthen go back one menu
05:03:36dimatrodgo to Show Files
05:03:37hcsand wait...
05:03:39dimatrodTagCache
05:03:54dimatrodyeah the tag database won't show inmediately
05:04:09dimatrodon the top right corner of the display a little disc will appear
05:04:15dimatrodthis is the TagCache database being made
05:04:47dimatrodwait until it has finished updating, turn the player off, then back on, it'll commit the TagCache database, and you've got beautiful ipod-like interface for music!!!
05:05:07Burnman.. thanks!
05:05:50dimatrodno prob
05:06:42dimatrodyou might also want to set Directory Cache on
05:06:51dimatrodso loading folders won't take ages
05:07:26dimatrodfor this go to the "main menu", then to General Settings->System->Disk->Directory Cache->On
05:07:31dimatrodyou'll also have to reboot for that
05:08:19Burnman your a champion! you make my life alot easier :D
05:08:53dimatrodhaha
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05:09:58Burnhey do i view music by going iPod_control->Music?
05:10:48dimatrodif you've got tag cache on, that shouldn't be that way
05:10:57dimatrodbut i guess
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05:11:05dimatrodok, go to the playback screen
05:11:26dimatrod(i don't have an iPod so i'm basically going to say this by what I assume should be)
05:11:38dimatrodhold the Menu botton
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05:11:56dimatroderr some way change Show Files to tag cache
05:12:02hcshold the play button
05:12:07hcsto bring up the quick menu
05:12:17hcser, shit, no, you're right
05:12:19hcsplay
05:12:46dimatrodbetter listen to him, i'm just talking out of my ass in what controls is based on
05:13:14dimatrodi've grown used to my X5's controls and getting to use my friend's H10 was a hassle alone
05:13:47hcscrap, I meant 'you're right, menu'
05:13:59hcsholding down play is stop on ipods
05:14:13dimatrodoh ok
05:14:15Burnlol
05:14:25Burnthis is pretty confusing
05:14:31dimatrodit must be
05:14:38hcstoo much code... can't think in english anymore
05:14:47dimatrodhaha
05:15:18Burntheres no show files->tagcache
05:15:30dimatrodhmm
05:15:45hcsit says "ID3 database"
05:15:56dimatrodit must be on the bottom
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05:16:13Burnoh that one
05:16:30Burnnow where do i go to play my music?
05:16:31dimatrodthe screen where there's something on the right, left, and bottom
05:16:59dimatrodman, i'm sorry, but everything related to controls on the ipod for rockbox, i know nothing about
05:16:59Burnyep in there
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05:17:05dimatrodoh ok
05:17:07Burnnah i understand u
05:17:26dimatrodyeah, try viewing the manual
05:17:33dimatrodat least the controls part
05:18:38Burnyep working thanks!
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05:18:53dimatrodawesome, you're welcomed
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05:26:19dimatrodanybody knows of any plans of the rockbox team to include picture view in the id3 database?
05:26:37dimatrodlike have a folder that allows you to see the pictures the player has?
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06:36:05hcsdoes profiling work on ipods?
06:37:07webguest29Does anyone know where the FAQ went on the rockbox website?
06:37:49JdGordonthe wiki
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07:27:37godzirraSo out of curiousity, can you use rockbox -and- itunes with an ipod?
07:27:49godzirrathere's a couple features I like in itunes (Mostly all about playlist support)
07:28:36JdGordonyou know orkcbox's playlist features are much better than itunes right?
07:28:39JdGordonbut, yes, you cn
07:29:28scorchewhat features exactly?
07:29:30godzirraorkcbox?
07:29:35scorcherockbox
07:29:40godzirraoh heh
07:29:46godzirrascorche: Mostly the dynamic playlists.
07:29:53godzirra"Generate a playlist with 500 songs that I've never rated" etc.
07:30:08godzirraand it automagically updates that playlist next time you sync if you rate your songs on the ipod.
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07:34:53Burnhey can somebody tell me how do i get my CVS build onto my ipod? jus copy and paste?
07:35:19JdGordonyes
07:35:53godzirraJdGordon: So can rockbox do that? And how? And why is rockbox's playlist features much better?
07:36:00godzirraNot arguing that it isn't, I'm just not clueful.
07:36:10godzirraI've always used rockbox on my H-120 but never r eally played around with the playlist functions.
07:36:39JdGordonwell.. no, i dont tihnk rockbox can do that... but thats not something i would rate very highly as a good playlist function :p
07:36:44Burnits got more functions for searching your songs if you have a big archive
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07:37:31godzirraJdGordon: It was a function I enjoyed. *shrugs*
07:37:56godzirraI've wanted to play with tag cache but for some reason it didnt work well on my iriver.
07:38:37JdGordonanyway, to actually answer your first q. if u put your music on using itunes, and use tagcache then yes u can use both
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07:39:35godzirraSo I flash my ipod. Then put on all the music using itunes... then use tagcache....
07:39:49godzirraBut then I can't drag and drop my music, right? Because it will be in the weird itunes naming convention?
07:40:07JdGordonyes
07:40:32godzirraHrm.
07:40:47godzirraNo way to get the music over there via drag and drop and then do something that itunes will recognize?
07:40:55JdGordonno
07:41:05godzirraI know foopod in foobar 2000 had something, but apparently it stopped working with a newer version of... something. Rockbox, itunes, not sure which
07:41:08JdGordonmaybe another program can be used to make the db
07:41:35hcsI have a little program that generates a tagcache db from iTunesDB, sort of the opposite of what you want...
07:42:13godzirraheh.. story of my life.
07:42:29JdGordonFARK!!!!!!
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07:43:53burndoes anyone know where i can find pacman games for my rockbox?
07:43:55JdGordoni think i might actually kill my computer or my h300... i cant figure out this stupid bug :'(
07:44:07JdGordonburn: you have 3 chioces :p
07:44:14JdGordonthe actual pacman emulator (wiki)
07:44:16burnok
07:44:25JdGordonget a rockboy pacman rom
07:44:32JdGordonor get a zx spectrum rom
07:44:45burnrockboy doesnt work for me
07:44:50burnthe controls are stuffed
07:45:38burnwhere is the pacman emulator?
07:45:45JdGordonwiki
07:45:51burnyea?
07:45:57JdGordonyeah!
07:46:07burncan u be mroe exact?
07:46:14burnlol i cant find it
07:46:24dj-fu-_-
07:46:27JdGordonum.. the plugin list page should point to it
07:46:31JdGordonname pacbox
07:46:48burnya im on that page
07:46:53burnno downloads for emu
07:47:19JdGordonthe emu is part of rockbox.zip... u need to download the roms from google
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07:47:44burnok could you gimme a site?
07:47:53JdGordongoogle.com
07:48:33burnlol
07:49:20godzirraroms are technically illegal. Go search if you wanmt them.
07:49:32dj-fuonly if you don't own the game
07:49:59hcsdj-fu: not necessarily, in the US at least
07:50:00burnlol
07:50:08godzirratouche
07:50:12dj-fumeh
07:50:20dj-fueverything is illegal in the us
07:50:26burncourse they're illegal, but everyone does illegal stuff
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07:50:36dj-futhat doesn't mean we promote it here, burn
07:50:49burni download roms all the time,and music
07:50:54dj-futhat's nice
07:50:58dj-fuI hope you burn in hell for piracy
07:51:01scorcheenough of the illegal talk please
07:51:12burnya
07:51:19burncase closed
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08:10:47amiconnjhMikeS: Spinup time can't be a fixed definition. It depends on a lot of factors
08:12:26mordovooo I saw the new iRiver s10 tody. looks realy neat and sexy :) will you guys port rockbox to it ? I might have to buy one
08:12:36amiconnYou can just use an average value estimated from previous spinups and add some safety margin, and use a worst-case time if there are no previous spinups available for estimation
08:13:17amiconnThe hwcodec playback code does that (unlike the swcodec playback code btw, which still uses a silly logic!)
08:13:31Bagdermordov: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
08:14:27amiconnjhMikeS: There can _never_ be a guarantee that you can write in time (on HDD based targets), even if you would keep the drive spinning
08:16:51amiconnhcs: Profiling should work on ipods, but the script for processing the log data doesn't work for arm afaik. Probably because of the sectioned compilation we're doing for arm targets.
08:16:54mordovdentify the components
08:16:55mordovUsing your scans, contact your electronic savvy friends and use search engines to track down what every chip on the PCB is. I might be one of the savvages ;) so I don't thinl the rest aply to me :)
08:17:13hcsamiconn: couldn't fit it in ram with profiling data anyway
08:17:15jhMikeSamiconn: approximate is good though...I figure 2-3 seconds is safe?
08:17:36amiconnNot on iriver and x5.
08:17:55jhMikeSIt takes a couple to wind up on x5
08:17:55amiconnThese 1.8" disks have really long spinup times for some reason
08:18:00JdGordonhey guys, i've got a problem.... for some reason the menu recodig patch keeps the cpu boosted and the codec buffer doesnt get anywhere near full... I have commented out all my cpu intensive code (which doesnt touch the boost) and i doesnt fix anything. can anyone suggest how to try figuring out whats causing it?
08:18:18amiconnThe spinup times measurements are shown in the debug menu
08:18:19jhMikeSI need to compensate for it somewhat esp. at high datarates
08:18:54amiconnSlightly more than 3s afair
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08:20:16jhMikeSSo for any particular player/HD you can't know it in advance?
08:20:30amiconnno
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08:21:15jhMikeSSo you're saying that a particular player...even x5 to x5 is going to vary so much I can't even have a good rule of thumb for it?
08:21:37amiconnThe device can be shaking, effectively preventing the harddisk from doing any access - for minutes...
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08:22:07Bagderand the same device can have different hd models that vary
08:22:38jhMikeSamiconn: we'll I'm not talking about that sort of thing but if you're just leaving in on the table and recording something, not jogging.
08:22:57amiconnYou can use a rule of thumb if you add enough safety margin - but you can never be 100% sure the disk will be ready in time
08:23:22amiconnFor recording I would probably use 10 seconds or more on swcodec targets with enough ram
08:23:39jhMikeSIt will be closer to ready...if you're beating on it that much then flush will fail anyway.
08:24:08jhMikeSYou're saying 10 seconds for it sitting on the table? I know my x5 is about 3 just sitting there (60gb)
08:24:16amiconnyes
08:24:46amiconnThe measured spinup time is a bit above 3 seconds, that's correct
08:25:15jhMikeSTo just power up the drive use ide_power_enable and that will start it?
08:25:31amiconnThat's the value I observbed on all my 1.8" targets (H140, H340 and X5 20GB)
08:25:44amiconnnope
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08:26:02amiconnThe disk will spin up if it's accessed
08:26:03jhMikeSWhat do you have to do just to have it spinning then?
08:26:56jhMikeSWhat sort of access won't change the file pointer, won't be delayed through the cache etc?
08:27:03amiconnwhy?
08:27:20jhMikeSTo spin it in advance of writing.
08:27:40amiconnJust start you flush operation the appropriate number of seconds before you actually run out of buffer
08:28:21amiconnYou cannot just tell the ata code to spin up the disk without accessing it, and it wouldn't make sense to implement that
08:28:22jhMikeSI though about that but don't know really if I want to
08:29:34amiconnIt's how all other buffering systems do it (hwcodec playback in the core, swcodec playback, hwcodec wavplay plugin, and hwcodec recording)
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08:30:39amiconnhwcodec playback uses the measured values for dynamic adjustment of the low watermark, all others use fixed (or user-adjustable) watermarks
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08:32:23jhMikeSamiconn: that's always measure for us?
08:33:22jhMikeSWell, that would be a sensible way to adjust anyway.
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08:38:17jhMikeSok which hwcodec file does what you're talking about?
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08:38:38amiconnmpeg.c (the hwcodec playback engine)
08:39:07amiconnmpeg.c contains both the playback and recording engine
08:39:23amiconnOnly playback uses measured value + safety margin
08:41:02VyleIs the iPod Nano install manual on rockbox.org the most up-to-date install instructions? It mentions it might be out of date and to check the wiki, but i couldn't find anything on the wiki about it
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08:44:39jhMikeSok it's ata_spinup_time
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08:49:52jhMikeSI see it's updated whenever spinup is needed during a transfer
08:50:46amiconnyes
08:51:33amiconnIt can be zero if no spinup happened before (seen by the driver code)
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08:59:21jhMikeSsuppose I should limit if it's ridiculously long (1 min) since you say that can occur
08:59:34jhMikeS*for example 1min rather
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09:05:07arnoldanyone can answer a question about ipod and itrip ?
09:05:38hcsI own both, what's the question?
09:06:00arnoldi have a 4 gen ipod and the itrip
09:06:04arnoldis it working with rockbox ?
09:06:32scorchethere is no current support for itrips
09:06:51hcsthe old style itrips worked fine with rockbox...
09:07:11hcswhere you have to program them with beeps from the ipod
09:07:21scorchewhich old ones?
09:07:33arnoldok i think i have such an itrip
09:07:41hcsI don't know model numbers or anything, I just know I have one, and it works fine
09:07:42arnoldits a white one where i have to play an mp3 file
09:07:48arnoldfor the frequency
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09:07:49hcsthe cylindrical thing with a single red led
09:07:50hcsyeah
09:07:56scorcheafaik, they only worded if they got a power supply from the ipod
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09:08:04arnoldok
09:08:04scorchethey had to be modified with a battery or something
09:08:07arnoldthx for the help
09:08:13arnoldwill try to setup rockbox now
09:08:21hcsscorche: I've used mine without any modification
09:09:04scorchehrm...i have heard the opposite..
09:09:05jhMikeSman, high samplrate recording on WavPack will need an emergency priority boost as well.
09:09:06*scorche shrugs
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09:18:35hcsNSF player patch now up.
09:18:50hcsneeds a lot of work, so get to it
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09:22:51LinusNhcs: cool
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09:46:21markunLinusN: I'm adding support for playlist recoding. Should I add support for UTF-16 encoded playlists as well?
09:47:14LinusNmarkun: what exactly is the problem with the playlist encoding?
09:47:36LinusNshouldn't it work if i set the correct code page?
09:47:43markunLinusN: m3u files are normally saved in the windows codepage
09:47:52markunYes, then it will work
09:48:24markunI will change rockbox to save to m3u8, so some people might have to rename their playlists if this ever gets committed.
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09:59:19bluebrothermarkun, how to detect utf-16?
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10:00:37markunbluebrother: I don't. I now use the iso_recode function, which has no support for UTF-16
10:01:14markuniso_decode..
10:01:54bluebrothermarkun, I was thinking about a different way to open text files that may contain a utf8 bom.
10:02:42bluebrotherinstead of checking for the bom in every place (fm presets, cfg files, etc) use a open_utf8 function that works like open but points the fd to the first text byte
10:03:09bluebrotheris this a useful way?
10:04:23markunYes, I would think so.
10:04:44bluebrothernice. Then I'll look into making a patch for this the next days.
10:05:06bluebrotheras I finally have time again :)
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10:28:48bluebrotherLinusN, I just resynced the fm region patch (FS #5929) and would like to get it into cvs (if there are no objections)
10:29:02LinusNlemme check
10:29:09bluebrothershould I ask someone for commiting or is it ok if I work on that myself?
10:29:16bluebrotherhaven't uploaded to FS yet, second.
10:30:27bluebrotherdamn, browser crashed.
10:31:55bluebrotherLinusN, posted. I tried building for h120, x5 and ondio fm
10:32:23LinusNsim too?
10:33:08bluebrotherno, only target
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10:33:24bluebrotherbut there weren't much changes −− just the configuration values weren't at the end anymore
10:33:49*bluebrother builds sim h120
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10:36:32LinusNbluebrother: i like it
10:36:42bluebrother:)
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10:37:01LinusNcommnit it when you feel ready
10:37:06LinusNcommit even
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10:37:13bluebrothergreat, will do.
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10:49:16amiconnLinusN: Does FM regions work on the archos fmr? I have no idea whether the samsung tuner (driver?) will handle it...
10:49:44LinusNthe samsung tuner can't set the deemphasis
10:49:58LinusNbut it should silently ignore it
10:50:27amiconnDoes it handle the different frequency range?
10:51:25LinusNit should, but i guess i'll have to test it
10:51:36LinusNi wonder how...
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10:55:09barrywardellthanks for fixing that up Bagder
10:55:15Bagdernp
10:55:55barrywardelldoes the directory structure for the ipod target look ok for committing? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890
10:55:58LinusNbtw, have we seen any cvs build hangs since i fixed the build script?
10:56:07BagderLinusN: nopes
10:56:09*barrywardell is afraid of cvs and directories
10:56:16LinusNBagder: kewl
10:56:28Bagderyeps, cool indeed
10:56:53LinusNthis bug fascinates me: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6068
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11:07:18JdGordonwhere is the code for the main thread loop?
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11:08:16LinusNJdGordon: everywhere
11:08:47LinusNeach screen and menu contains a loop
11:08:51JdGordon_something_ is causing the main thread to stay active and starve the codec thread, and i have no idea what, or even wehere to start looking :'(
11:09:10LinusNJdGordon: are you sure it's the main thread?
11:09:31JdGordonno, but thats the thread that stays with the * in the stacks debug screen
11:09:58LinusNmaybe a button_get_w_tmo() that has a too short timeout?
11:10:37LinusNdoes the ui hang?
11:11:02LinusNJdGordon: what does the * mean?
11:11:26JdGordonI havnt added any button loops, and no, the ui feels fine, but the codec buffers stay very low
11:11:36JdGordondoesnt the * mean that thread is running?
11:11:54LinusNwell, when the stacks are displayed, the main thread is always running
11:12:25LinusNsince it is the main thread that does the drawing
11:12:27JdGordonyes, I know, but the * does move between threads on that screen
11:12:48JdGordonwell.. it usually does, but with the oatched build it doesnt, unless playback has stopped
11:13:21LinusNcoule it be the scroll thread?
11:13:26LinusNcould even
11:14:42JdGordoni dont think so, there is no scrolling on the screen and the debug screen says scroll is sleeping
11:16:55amiconnThe * means ready or running iirc
11:17:13amiconnmain is always running when displaying the list, of course
11:18:01LinusNJdGordon: iirc, there is a short-latency mode in the dsp code, so the user can hear the eq changes in the eq screen
11:18:10LinusNmaybe that is still active?
11:18:57LinusNi don't even know if that makes a difference...
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11:19:26JdGordon:'( i have no idea... all i know is that pcmbuf and playback are not unboosting, and its not even buffereing very much of the track.. and my ~200kb patch is causing it but i have no idea why
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11:20:37JdGordonpondlife: i used your boost tracing patch, and ive found the 2 calls that dont get unboosted, but that doesnt help me unfortunalty :'(
11:21:10amiconnJdGordon: What did you patch? If it's your track-the-dirs-for-dir-shuffle thing, I'd suspect that...
11:21:21JdGordonnope, the menu/settings recode
11:21:24pondlifeJdGordon: which calls?
11:21:36pondlifeNew ones or old ones
11:21:43JdGordonold
11:21:50JdGordonpcmbuf.c and playback.c
11:22:02pondlifeBoth?!
11:22:28pondlifepcmbuf should be pretty good at unboosting now, it auto unboosts when there's nothing left to play
11:22:33JdGordon90% of the time... sometimes only pcmbuf.c stays boosted
11:22:49pondlifeHmm, I assume you're on the latest version
11:22:51JdGordonwhen playback stops it goes back to normal..
11:22:54JdGordonyes
11:23:01JdGordonand my patch doesnt go near there
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11:23:18LinusNJdGordon: but your patch does mess with the limits settings?
11:23:38LinusNmaybe the mp3 buffer is ridiculously small?
11:23:56JdGordonhmm.... could be
11:23:58JdGordonchecking
11:24:00pondlifePut some logfs in on the boosts and see why it's doing it?
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11:24:41pondlifeDid you like the boost tracker by the way? I find it fun to watch... but then I have no hobbies
11:25:02JdGordonLinusN: the audio thread debug screen shows the buffer is about 27mb tho, or does it always show that much even with a small limit?
11:25:13JdGordonpondlife: haha, ye, its useful
11:25:28LinusNJdGordon: it shows the actual size of the audio buffer
11:25:35pondlifeI may commit it. It doesn't get enabled on Archos anyway, so hopefully no memory worries
11:25:48LinusNpondlife: do so
11:26:17pondlifeI would have already but for the fear of amiconn and his anti-bloat stick
11:27:03pondlifelostlogic: around?
11:27:10JdGordonLinusN: the only limits settings are max files in dir and max playlist size. or is there other non-user ones?
11:27:14pondlifeOr any playback-types...?
11:27:31LinusNJdGordon: well, the dir cache and the tag cache
11:27:51LinusNbut they are included in the buffer size calculation
11:28:15pondlifeI have reproduced a case where unneeded rebuffering occurs and believe I have a fix.
11:28:15amiconnpondlife: What boost tracker? You can track the # of cpu_boost calls in the debug menu anyway...
11:28:31pondlifeYes, but my patch shows where the boosts are coming from too.
11:28:38LinusNamiconn: yes, but not who boosted it
11:29:22pondlifeI'll commit it, once I've disentangled it from my current playback work
11:29:25JdGordonLinusN: you think dircache_size is being set too big?
11:29:33LinusNJdGordon: no
11:29:55pondlifeJdGordon: best just to put some logfs in and work out why pcmbuf is unhappy enough to boost.
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11:30:13LinusNthe audio debug thread shows the actual size of the audio buffer
11:30:51LinusNJdGordon: is the audio buffer near empry too?
11:30:56LinusNempty even
11:31:41LinusNcould it be that your ata callback messes up the loading of the tracks?
11:31:48JdGordonpcm buffer stays between 60k-100k, codedc stays very low, it fills up to about 300kb
11:31:54JdGordoni didsblaed that
11:32:07LinusNok, what is the ata idle timeout?
11:32:07JdGordondisabled even
11:32:38JdGordon5s
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11:33:09LinusNlogf should tell you why it stops loading the track
11:34:19JdGordongrrr.... i tihnk you just hinted to it...
11:34:33JdGordonbloody anti-skip buffer setting
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11:35:31JdGordonit was set to 5s... maybe thats the problem
11:35:45JdGordonwhat is the point of that setting anyway? shouldnt it always buffer untill its full?
11:36:18Bagderthe question is when it should start filling the buffer again
11:37:38LinusNanti-skip=5s shouldn't be a problem
11:39:21JdGordonchanging it to 60s doesnt seem to have done anything
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11:41:31JdGordonno, i lie, (i was at the end of the folder)... it buffers up to about 400k now, but still stays boosted and pcm buffer stays really low
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11:44:43LinusN400k? it should be 27 megs
11:45:07JdGordonit goes up to 400k, the total is about 27mb tho
11:45:25LinusNno i am confused
11:45:27LinusNnow
11:45:34LinusNdoes it buffer 400k or not?
11:45:36JdGordonlogf currently says "pcm_starting, buffer margin: 60s, buf len:3" if that means anything
11:45:53JdGordonit goes to ~ 400000 / 27000000
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11:47:33JdGordonscratch that.. its hovering around 140000 / 26100000
11:48:30JdGordonlogf syas "partiallybuf: 1131072B" "buf: 104B"...?
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11:49:36JdGordonnew aproach time.... how do i checkout cvs from a certain date? i want to try patching the old source with the early versions of the patch and see if the problem is there also
11:49:47safetydancvs update -D 2006-12-06 I think
11:50:01safetydanchange the date obviously
11:50:21JdGordondo i need to do a regular checkout first?
11:50:35safetydanthat probably works for checkout as well
11:51:00LinusNJdGordon: how are your crossfade settings?
11:51:31JdGordonLinusN: crossfade is off
11:52:02pondlifeJdGordon: What audio format?
11:52:02LinusNthe value after "buf:" is the pcm buffer size
11:52:27JdGordonpondlife: mp3, but was happening with ogg also
11:53:23LinusNhow big is the file?
11:54:08JdGordon7mb
11:54:26JdGordonbut this isnt a track problem... aliask pointed out the bug and im fairly sure we dont have the same songs
11:54:45LinusNis the patch in the wiki up-to-date?
11:55:00pondlifeDoes it happen with a CVS build?
11:55:15JdGordonLinusN: i tinhk so, its missing 1 file which is attacked
11:55:20JdGordonpondlife: yes, cvs works fine
11:55:26*amiconn tried crossfeed today
11:55:40*JdGordon likes crossfeed
11:55:46amiconnI must say I can't hear a difference between enabled and disabled
11:55:52JdGordontoo bad the name is similar to crosfade :p
11:56:02LinusNamiconn: that depends a little on the track you're playing
11:56:11pondlifeTry some Beatles
11:56:24LinusNor early bowie
11:56:28amiconnI don't have that
11:57:06pondlifeAny 60s "stereo" recordings?
11:58:27pondlifeWhich targets don't support frequency scaling at all?
11:58:43pondlife...but do build ok
11:59:14safetydanAny equalizer using people around? Should the precut always be set to the same value as the largest gain, e.g. +6 dB max gain therefore -6 dB precut?
11:59:44LinusNsafetydan: in my world, that should guarantee a safe precut
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12:00:23LinusNbut i guess preglow is the man to ask
12:00:36safetydanLinusN, same as in mine. Just thinking about setting the precut in these EQ presets that I might commit
12:01:11LinusNi think an automatic precut should make the eq setting a lot easier for inexperienced users
12:01:32preglownoes!
12:01:40LinusN:-)
12:01:47safetydanthat got his attention
12:01:53preglowthis is exactly what we did with the internal prescale for the treble/boost
12:02:12preglowand you might remember me protesting that somewhat vehemently, heh
12:02:56LinusNi don't remember having a precut setting in the cowon firmware, but i might be wrong
12:03:21preglowi don't like behaviour like this for a couple of reasons. a) there's nothing that says clipping will occur. if the user knows it won't happen, then rockbox shouldn't force a precut. b) nothing else that i know of does stuff like thsi
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12:04:04preglowpeople are (or really, really should) be acccustomed to stuff distorting if tweaked too far anyway
12:04:10LinusNotoh, i don't remember if the cowon fw allowed positive gain
12:04:15preglowthe lord of parantheses
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12:04:38preglowprecut is a pretty normal thing to have on eqs
12:04:43preglowbut having it autoadjusted isn't
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12:06:35Genre9mp3amiconn: Old recordings usually have completely different stereo channels (half instruments on the left channel, other half on the right - and usually vocals on both) You can hear difference with crossfeed on such recordings
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12:08:01*JdGordon oesnt think cvs update -D 2006-11-09 worked
12:08:28preglowLinusN: does the cowon fw have a proper eq anyway?
12:10:28barrywardellis the ipod target tree patch is OK for committing now? are the directory names OK with everyone?
12:11:38barrywardellhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5890
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12:14:00pondlifeOops, more red
12:15:02JdGordontisk tisk !!!
12:15:29*scorche rushes to go check the score
12:15:32*JdGordon gives up
12:15:45scorcheJdGordon: you have other bugs to fix too! =P
12:16:13JdGordonhehe ye, wanna try the fixed keymap again?
12:16:23scorcheif another build is ready
12:16:30pondlifeAlmost
12:16:43pondlifeAnother mysterious failure caused by my ability to type in the wrong window
12:17:22JdGordonscorche: i still have no idea why the cancel dialogs dont work..
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12:17:38JdGordonamiconn: does the recorder do some wierd voodoo so the stop button doesnt always trigger?
12:17:48scorchei will have a look at the code when i get a chance if you want
12:18:54JdGordonsent to your gmail
12:19:37pondlifeOK, fix in CVS now... wait for the build
12:20:15pondlifeIt would be funnier if it wasn't always the H300 build that I broke - given that's my test device
12:20:58scorchewell, if it makes you feel any better, i find it amusing
12:21:25Genre9mp3Bagder, LinusN: Shouldn't be "iPod 3rd gen" in the front page, too?
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12:22:18JdGordondoes the nano have boost?
12:24:01JdGordonBagder: i know its no big deal, but is it possible to change the cvs build table script to use a different colour for the flash full errrors instead of red?
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12:28:34BagderJdGordon: why?
12:28:42JdGordoncoz the red is annoying :D
12:28:47Bagderisn't rombox too big a serious enough error?
12:29:07JdGordonhonestly.. no... seen as nothing seems to be done about it
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12:29:25Bagderthat's just because there's no developers for those devices
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12:29:51JdGordonscorche: is it good to go?
12:30:40scorcheJdGordon: heh...for some odd reason you landed in my junk folder the second time around
12:31:00JdGordonhehe probably because the entire message text was .
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12:33:05JdGordonscorche: does the yesno screen work at all? maybe the off dialogs dont work because the recorder doesnt like non-blocking button calls?
12:33:21scorcheJdGordon: pages are fixed
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12:33:35JdGordonok, ta
12:33:40scorcheJdGordon: example of a yes/no screen
12:33:42scorche?
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12:33:52JdGordondelete a file?
12:34:38scorcheyes/no works fine
12:36:05JdGordonhmm... do you think we could use that fr the shutdown screen instead then? you'd have topress off then play tho instead of double off
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12:36:44scorchei would much prefer the double off....but that is avoiding the issue....the other OFFs like press OFF to cancel still dont work
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12:37:00scorcheavoiding != fixing ;)
12:37:06JdGordonhmm... true
12:37:31JdGordoncan you exit the debug screens with off?
12:37:44scorcheif it helps at all, when you press OFF at a dialog screen, it clears that pop-up instead of doing nothing until it goes away at 2 seconds or so
12:38:00scorcheyes
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12:38:29JdGordonit clears the screen but continues whatever it was doing?
12:38:48scorchewell, in the case of the press OFF to shutdown
12:38:57scorchein the press OFF to cancel, no effect
12:39:28scorcheand in the OFF to shutdown, it just goes back to the dir browser which is where it was
12:39:45scorchewell, i should say goes back...clears the dialog
12:39:50scorches/should/shouldnt
12:40:10preglowsafetydan: i'm not convinced we should set the precut. how do the apple presets work, for example? do they ever distort?
12:40:47JdGordonscorche: ok, i got a possible fix for the shutdown screen... is a patch easier for you? or rather me to keep building it?
12:41:33JdGordonsent
12:41:38scorcheyou building is easier of course...but i can make do with a patch ;)
12:41:38safetydanpreglow, I didn't notice any distortion but I haven't listened in detail.
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12:42:46preglowanywho, not too important, if people complain, we fix
12:43:56safetydanpretty much
12:46:04scorcheBAH!
12:46:18scorchethis is why i stopped plugging my ajbr in regularly...
12:46:54scorcheeverytime i plug it in, i am scared of if it will trigger the computer into an instant reboot
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12:47:34JdGordonscorche: my sisters nano does that to my comp
12:47:58scorcheJdGordon: midk said his ajbr did it also
12:48:04*scorche shrugs
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12:49:40safetydanTry a different USB port. I vaguely recall some systems have underpowered USB ports and will reboot or do other odd things when something asks for full power from the bus.
12:50:10scorchesafetydan: ajbrs dont ask for full power
12:50:20scorchethey charge from an external charger
12:50:31safetydanah... well ignore me then :)
12:51:18scorchei feel bad for my ajbr though...i havent been giving it attention since i got my nano...
12:51:25scorchemaybe it is just lashing out
12:52:11Slasheripondlife: btw, you could have just implemented cpu_boost as a macro and use for example __FILE__ statement that would automatically tell the filename
12:52:50pondlifeI could have, but wanted to keep the storage size as low as possible.
12:52:56Slasherii don't think that CPUBOOSTID is really necessary
12:53:00pondlifeIs there __LINE__ too under gcc?
12:53:04Slasheriyes
12:53:19pondlifeOK, that would be useful
12:53:22PaulJampondlife: it seems as if your patch fixes the issue with the noise. at least on my first test the playback didn't stop after the first track of the second album and the song that was playing while rebuffering didn't play longer than it should. but i will try to reproduce a few times more.
12:53:43Slasheripondlife: i have used that before
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12:53:49pondlifePaulJam: I've got another rebuffering fix here too
12:53:56Slasherijust re-defined the cpu_boost as a macro to include filename and linenumber
12:54:00JdGordonscorche: shutdown works?
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12:54:09Slasherithat is has been easy to track all boosts without touching other files at all
12:54:10scorcheJdGordon: havent tested yet...was rebooting
12:54:16JdGordonok
12:54:17Slasheri*then
12:54:26pondlifeSlasheri: OK, do you want to do it? ;-p
12:54:26Slasheriand that is easy to turn on/off
12:54:35Slasherihmm :D
12:54:48pondlifeSorry, deep in playback.c at the mo. Just put it in there so JDGordon could play.
12:54:57Slasherinp :)
12:55:13scorcheJdGordon: eek...now the box comes up when OFF is held
12:55:25scorcheand goes away as soon as you release it
12:56:02JdGordonhmm... ok
12:56:57scorcheand OFF to abort still has no effect
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13:06:56lostlogicpondlife: morning
13:07:02pondlifeMorning
13:07:15pondlifeQuick question in playback.c (where else?)
13:07:24lostlogicnod
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13:08:02pondlifeI'm working from a diff here, so bear with me...
13:08:07pondlifeSearch for "Start with the remainder of the previously playing track "
13:08:29pondlifeI think the following line "amount = tracks[old_track_ridx].filesize - ci.curpos" ...
13:08:46pondlife... should actually be "amount = tracks[old_track_ridx].filerem"
13:09:15pondlifeThat certainly fixes http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5906
13:09:30pondlifeThis being the audio thread...
13:10:08pondlifeAny opinion?
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13:11:06lostlogicfilerem is how much of the file is left to read from disk
13:11:20pondlifeAh, not how much is left in the buffer
13:11:36lostlogicright
13:11:48pondlifeSo filesize-filerem?
13:12:25lostlogichmm... might require 3 variables
13:12:33pondlifecodecsize?
13:12:44lostlogicor not allow that function to be called when the current track is not fully buffered.
13:12:56lostlogicwhich is probably more correct
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13:13:18*barrywardell gets a new high score :)
13:13:52bluebrotherhehe :)
13:13:53pondlifelostlogic: It's pretty essential to call.. it 's used to detect if the current track is fully buffered.
13:14:09pondlife(or rather the next track)
13:14:32webguest666bluebrother has put in a lot of work with his FM patch, FS 5929, could a dev please commit it, dying to try the FM radio with improvements
13:14:33lostlogicright, but then if the current track is was not fully buffered and we're winding forward to the next track, it's _clear_ that we need to dump out immediately
13:14:43lostlogicso if cur_ti->filerem != 0 return false
13:15:00bluebrotherwebguest666, I'm about doing this myself in the next time.
13:15:02scorchebarrywardell: nice score!
13:15:06pondlifeI'm trying not to use cur_ti..
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13:15:18bluebrotherbut I don't want to mess with barrywardell's score ;-)
13:15:31bluebrotheroh ... gone. That was quick.
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13:16:02lostlogicpondlife tracks[old_track_ridx].filerem != 0
13:16:11pondlifeOK
13:16:45lostlogic"if the current track isn't fully buffered, clearly the next track isn't on the buffer"
13:16:58webguest666finger trouble... bluebrother, any chance that your patch will get committed
13:17:23bluebrotherwebguest666, as I said I'll do it in the near future.
13:17:35webguest666k, thanks
13:17:41bluebrothergot green light from LinusN this morning :)
13:18:00webguest666great
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13:18:45lostlogicand thanks for not using cur_ti and reminding me that it's _WRONG_ to use it in those buffer winding functions ;)
13:19:02barrywardelli'll be a little while fixing all those build errors. have to compile sims for all ipod targets to test fixes!
13:19:26pondlifeI'd like to scrap cur_ti and prev_ti someday
13:19:58lostlogicpondlife: yeah −− I'd actually tried to drop them once or twice and failed
13:20:13pondlifeI remember... :)
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13:20:17lostlogicpondlife: metadata on buffer changes the whole thing so it's not really worth going into the analysis until after that
13:20:33pondlifeThat's why I called you in
13:20:48linuxstbbarrywardell: At least one problem is removing #define IPOD_ARCH from the config files - you should restore that.
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13:25:18barrywardellyup, that should fix the bootloader builds
13:26:31bluebrotherbarrywardell, you introduced firmware/target/arm/ipod/3g/backlight-3g.c but also firmware/target/arm/ipod/backlight-4g_color.c. Shouldn't be those in the same folder? Looks weird to me
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13:26:53barrywardell3g is specific to the 3g ipod
13:27:09linuxstbbacklight-3g is for one target, backlight-4g-color is for both the 4g (greyscale) and the Color/Photo
13:27:11barrywardellbacklight-4g_color.c applies to two ipod models - 4g and color
13:27:19bluebrotherah. ok.
13:28:00linuxstbThere will hopefully be more 3g-specific code in the future as well, which should go in a 3g/ directory.
13:28:24barrywardellthere is a lot of common code between other ipods, but the 3g is quite different
13:29:17bluebrotherI was a bit puzzled as the type is also in the filename
13:30:09markunbarrywardell: the move to target_tree will also help my wmcodec generalisation, so thanks
13:30:20barrywardellgreat :)
13:30:37linuxstbbluebrother: All the target-tree code does that - e.g. iaudio/x5/power-x5.c
13:32:42linuxstbbarrywardell: firmware/SOURCES still has drivers/pcf50605.c surrounded by #ifdef IPOD_ARCH...
13:32:57*bluebrother hopes to get to know the code better in the next weeks (more free time!)
13:33:12barrywardelli just added IPOD_ARCH back in to all the ipod config files
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13:33:50linuxstbYou need to delete the #ifdef IPOD_ARCH from SOURCES - the same file is already included in each of the individual ipod sections.
13:34:08barrywardellah yes, thanks for the tip
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13:38:23barrywardellgetting there...
13:38:36barrywardelli'll fix the two sim builds in a little while
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13:46:43*linuxstb wonders what happened to freedb.org...
13:47:00JdGordonis was closed a while ago wasnt it?
13:47:26linuxstbIt's been up and running recently, but now the website has changed, and the online search has disappeared...
13:47:54scorcheheh...i noticed that as well
13:48:09scorchehad to use CDDB's online search
13:51:03scorchelinuxstb: http://www.freedb.org/en/forum/read.php?1,8
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15:19:48theli_uarather quiet today....
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15:22:19webguest666how do i select region with new fm commit
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15:23:08bluebrotherwebguest666, go to the context menu of the fm screen.
15:23:27bluebrotherhold navi on h100 series
15:23:58webguest666ah, there it is, thanks
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15:25:59bluebrotherIMO this should get moved the the general settings −− when the menu rework is done.
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15:48:34preglowit is, heh
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16:02:22amiconnbarrywardell: There's still something to fix...
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16:03:06amiconnLinusN: While your build script fix seems to fix the hanging builds, it seems like another problem slipped in.
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16:03:39amiconnIt looks like sometimes the build round doesn't catch all changes which triggered the build
16:05:54barrywardellyes, i'm working on it
16:05:58barrywardellthink I found the problem
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16:07:04LinusNamiconn: i doubt that the problems are related in any way
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16:07:50linuxstbLinusN: When did you fix the hanging builds? I had that problem (build system building old files) a week or two ago.
16:08:27LinusNlinuxstb: sep-26
16:10:02linuxstbAh, my first meeting with the build system building old files was at about 10pm GMT on the 26 September...
16:10:07LinusNamiconn: "catch all changes"?
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16:13:36linuxstbIn my case, I committed a change to a file, and then the build servers didn't include that change in their builds. Checking the files in ~rbclient/ on my build server, the file I changed was still at the previous revision.
16:14:03linuxstbBut the changelog on the website included the change I had committed.
16:14:13preglowwhat, you're trying to say the build system has bugs? :]
16:14:25linuxstbIt's as if the wrong timestamp was passed to the build servers.
16:14:31LinusNlinuxstb: i changed the script 10:26 that day
16:14:38LinusNthen i restarted the build by hand
16:15:25LinusNso it is likely that your commit wasn't handled correctly
16:15:52linuxstbIn fact, my commit was earlier than that - 20:26 according to since25.shtml. I just discussed it in IRC at around 22:00.
16:16:35LinusNalso, it is possible that a multi-file commit may be built halfway, if the build is started after the first file has been committed
16:17:15LinusNlinuxstb: in my world 10:26 is a lot earlier than 20:26
16:18:11linuxstbI'm not arguing with that.
16:18:16Bagderthe "not catch all changes" problem is rather a cvs-related one
16:18:31linuxstbIn my case it was a single file.
16:19:37LinusNlinuxstb: if the file was unchanged on your build server, how could the master build script be at fault?
16:20:03linuxstbBecause my build server wasn't told to update it - it wasn't the revision it was meant to be building.
16:20:20linuxstbOther people with build servers checked and they had the same problem.
16:20:22Bagderit was told to update
16:20:27Bagderit just failed to do it
16:20:29Bagderfor some reason
16:20:36linuxstbIt's not given a time?
16:20:41Bagderit is
16:20:44Bagderall servers get the same
16:22:29LinusNthat's another reason to go svn - atomic commits
16:22:40barrywardelli'm having trouble tracking down that last problem. could it be a problem with the build system?
16:22:46preglowsvn!
16:23:21preglowBagder: are there any scripts that will be somewhat hard fix when making a transition to svn?
16:23:34LinusNbarrywardell: what problem?
16:23:39barrywardellit's saying *_CONTRAST_SETTING isn't defined
16:23:41Bagderpreglow: nah not hard, just work
16:23:56barrywardellbut looking in config-ipod4g.h for example it's right there
16:24:01preglowBagder: scripts are mostly perl, yes?
16:24:06Bagderpreglow: yeps
16:24:21barrywardelli don't see why it's building for some targets but not the two ipod sims
16:25:28barrywardellactually, they're defined inside a ifndef SIMULATOR, so maybe that's the problem. but then why is there no complaints with the other sims?
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16:26:05LinusNbarrywardell: because they are not defined in an #ifndef SIMULATOR?
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16:26:54barrywardellthat's the thing. look at config-ipod3g.h for example. they are defined in an #ifndef SIMULATOR too
16:27:05*barrywardell is very confused
16:27:34LinusNbut does 3g have adjustable contrast?
16:27:40linuxstbbarrywardell: The other sims aren't built as part of the automated builds... So all greyscale ipod sims have failed.
16:27:56LinusNah
16:28:24LinusNgtg
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16:28:50barrywardellah ,ok
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16:36:11godzirraOk, I have an ipod video and I'm trying to get rockbox installed on it
16:36:27godzirrabut when I go through the manual and type 'ipodpatcher 0' etc - 5, nothing shows up as an ipod
16:36:30godzirraam I diong something wrong?
16:41:05liniis the ipod connected to an USB port on the machine?
16:41:17godzirraYup
16:41:23linirunning in disk mode?
16:41:25godzirraIt shows up as the E drive
16:41:28godzirralini: how do I make sure?
16:41:43linisince it shows as a drive
16:41:47linithen it's in disk mode
16:42:17markungodzirra: newest ipod video is not yet supported
16:42:33markunDo you have one of those?
16:42:33godzirraI just manually put it into disk mode.
16:42:38godzirramarkun: nope. Its one of the old 30 gigs.
16:42:39godzirrathey were on sale.
16:42:42godzirra:)
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16:44:26godzirrait is in disk mode now, still shows up as E: drive, but ipodpatcher still isnt seeing it.
16:44:38godzirramarkun: how do I make 100% sure its not a new new ipod?
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16:45:28markunwith fdisk, but I forgot what has changed, ask linuxstb_
16:45:48godzirralinuxstb_: How do I verify that my 5g is not a 5.5g ipod?
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16:46:12godzirraIts not being detected by ipodpatcher while in disk mode, but its a 30 gig and I thought it was one of the old 5g's, not the new one
16:47:38linuxstb_godzirra: If your serial number ends in WU9, WUA, WUB, or WUC then it's a new one.
16:47:52linuxstb_As described here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688
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16:49:01godzirraso i should be ok...
16:49:08godzirraso back to why doesn't my ipod show p under ipodpatcher? :)
16:49:17godzirraI have it connected, it says its in disk mode...
16:49:33godzirrait shows up as drive e:, but running 'ipodpatcher 0' - 'ipodpatcher 10' hasnt shown anything
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16:51:43godzirraAnyone know? I dont want to be stuck with the ipod firmware :)
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16:53:37linuxstbDo you have cygwin installed?
16:53:54godzirranot yet, but if you tell me what packages i should install it with I'll install it.
16:54:35linuxstbI just wanted to look at a copy of your MBR - maybe that's causing the problem. But I'll give you a custom build of ipodpatcher - give me a few minutes...
16:55:43godzirraSure.
16:56:01linuxstbhttp://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-nocheck.zip
16:56:18linuxstbThat doesn't have the check which tries to detect if a disk is an ipod or not - so be careful with it!
16:56:56godzirrahow do I know which directory I need to use then?
16:56:58godzirraerr
16:56:58godzirrawhich #?
16:57:32linuxstbYou'll need to rely on the partition layout to identify which drive is your ipod. It will have two partitions - the first partition is of type 0 (Empty), and the second is of type 0xb (W95 FAT32).
16:57:37godzirraahh, ok.
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16:57:59linuxstbThe first partition will be around 80MB or 112MB depending if you have the 30GB or 60GB 5g.
16:58:14godzirraok.. this is really odd.
16:58:18godzirraI went from 0 - 20
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16:58:21godzirraonly 0 showed up
16:58:28godzirraas a 49 gig drive (which is what is in my laptop)
16:58:41godzirraoh wait.
16:58:53barrywardellahh. all green again:)
16:59:03godzirraon 1, I got error reading from disk: The parameter is incorrect
16:59:07godzirrais that my CD rom drive?
16:59:23linuxstbThat's probably your ipod.
16:59:55linuxstbOthers have reported similar error messages, but I've no idea what it could be. Maybe your right and it's your CDROM though...
16:59:55godzirrawhy would it not read the partition?
16:59:58godzirraHow odd.
17:00
17:00:11linuxstbNo idea, I'm not a Windows person...
17:00:17godzirrawell if I try and use ipodpatcher on it and its my cdrom drive, that won't hurt it
17:00:40linuxstbThe -r command shouldn't hurt anything.
17:00:46linuxstb(I would hope)
17:01:02godzirrait also won't read from that partition with -r
17:01:03godzirrahrm
17:01:10linuxstbDo you have admin rights?
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17:01:36godzirraYup.
17:01:46godzirraI can install cygwin if it will help figure it uot
17:01:49godzirrawhat do I need to installl?
17:01:55godzirraI've already got it downloaded.
17:03:05godzirraor I can try booting into knoppix with a live cd and try it there if you think that would help
17:03:16linuxstbNo, I don't think cygwin will help. For some reason your ipod just isn't appearing as a disk device in Windows.
17:03:22linuxstbYes, knoppix would probably work.
17:03:26godzirrawhich is weird, because I see it as E:
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17:03:44linuxstbDoes it work? i.e. can you drag and drop files to/from E: ?
17:04:30godzirraseems to.
17:04:44linuxstbI'm not sure exactly how, but you should be able to see what disk device drive E: is attached to.
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17:05:38godzirraeven in properties I dont seem to be able to..
17:06:29linuxstbIt's there somewhere... amiconn may know?
17:06:58godzirraLet me just try rebooting and seeing if I can do it in linux.
17:07:49linuxstbOK.
17:09:10amiconnYou need to go into disk management
17:09:33linihm
17:09:47linia stupid question about my cygwin environment
17:09:54linipatch just stopped working :(
17:10:12liniwhenever i type "patch args" it just hangs
17:10:41liniis this known to happen?
17:10:49amiconnIt doesn't hang.
17:10:57amiconnIt just waits for input
17:11:25amiconnYou have to use input file redirection to make it read a patch file automatically
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17:11:55amiconn...i.e. patch (parameters) <input_file
17:12:33linipatch -p0 −−binary −−dry-run -i patchfile.patch
17:12:44linithis is the command line
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17:13:51amiconnHmm, -i should also work according to patch −−help
17:13:55linuxstbThat should work - at least with the GNU version of patch.
17:13:58linihm, restarted cygwin and it's all fine now
17:14:00liniweird
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17:14:27linuxstbMaybe you have two different patch programs installed, and your PATH got changed somehow to include the "bad" one.
17:14:48linuxstbi.e. one that doesn't support -i
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17:19:19GotenXiaoDoes Rockbox understand any other filesystems than FAT32 and HFS?
17:19:33GotenXiaoi.e. ext2 and the like
17:19:42linuxstbIt only understands FAT32.
17:19:51markunGotenXiao: not even HFS
17:19:52GotenXiaoFigures. :P
17:22:09godzirralinuxstb: ok, had to install linux really quick. i'm downloading the patcher now.
17:22:22godzirralinuxstb: oddly enough, it detected my ipod as /dev/sdb when installing linux
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17:23:12GotenXiaogodzirra, the iPod is a USB Mass Storage device
17:23:23GotenXiaoand those sit on the SCSI emulation layer
17:23:33GotenXiaoas well as SATA drives
17:24:04godzirraGotenXiao: I know, I just found it funny that I couldnt get the ipodpatcher to find it in windows, and then it popped up as a device I could potentially install linux to
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17:24:38GotenXiao:P
17:24:50GotenXiaogodzirra, that's Linux for you
17:25:26GotenXiao"Yes, but does it run Linux?" is often a Slashdot comment (mainly because Linux runs on just about everything)
17:25:32*godzirra nods
17:25:39GotenXiaothere's even a HOWTO on how to install Linux on a dead badger
17:25:45godzirraok, now thats sad.
17:25:48GotenXiao:P
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17:25:54godzirrahmmm
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17:26:02godzirraI can't see the page very well in lynx... its not very lynx friendly :)
17:26:08GotenXiaotry links
17:26:13GotenXiaoit does layout better
17:26:18GotenXiaohttp://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
17:26:19godzirrais rockbox-h100-20061005.zip the one I need for a 5g?
17:26:21godzirralet me try it
17:26:31linuxstbNo, it's for the h100 (an iriver player)...
17:26:49markungodzirra: and you need to download the fonts as well
17:26:52godzirraYeah, I thought so.. hrm.
17:27:03godzirraone sec.. installing links
17:27:14linuxstbYou only need to install the bootloader from Linux - then you can go back to Windows and just access the filesystem via E:
17:27:37godzirraright.
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17:30:58godzirraHrm. I get a billion errors trying to compile ipod_fw.c
17:33:24godzirramostly things like this: error: image undeclared (first use in this function)
17:33:31godzirrabut the word image has little solid squares around it.
17:35:14hcsyou aren't trying to compile the binary by any chance, are you...?
17:35:37hcsnah, it'd fail sooner than that
17:35:45godzirrai'm trying to compile ipod_fw.c as listed in the linux ipod installation wiki?
17:35:48godzirraam I doing something wrong?
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17:37:32hcswhat line is the "image undeclared" error on?
17:38:21godzirrathere's about 100 lines of errors
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17:38:40godzirracrap
17:38:44godzirraI dont think I have the stdio.h header
17:38:47godzirraor any of the others for that matter
17:38:51lowlightAnyone in Boston? hcs.harvard.edu/~freeculture/blog/">http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~freeculture/blog/
17:39:10hcsno, but that's cool
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17:46:18godzirrawow. look at that. When you have header files everything works.
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17:50:12godzirraok, what is "rockboot.bin" supposed to be in the howto?
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17:51:36godzirraIt says to do ./ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader_nano.bin
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17:51:51godzirrabootloader_nano is the bootloader I downloaded (bootloader_video.bin)
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17:52:02godzirraapple_os.bin is the one I extracted from the original bootloader...
17:52:05godzirrawhat is rockboot.bin?
17:53:04linuxstbThat's the output file - i.e. the file created by ipod_fw
17:53:22godzirraOhhh.. ok.
17:53:25linuxstbThat's the new firmware partition image you will then need to write to your ipod.
17:53:31godzirraYeah, got it.
17:53:41godzirraI want to use the word 'video' instead of 'nano' right?
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17:56:10godzirraAnd is the next command: if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdb1 supposed to return almost instantly with no output?
17:56:18godzirraoh, nevermind
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17:57:34godzirraSigh. not a good sign. after intsalling the bootloader I made with dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdb1 and disconnecting the usb cable, it told me to connect to itunes and use the restore feature
17:59:04godzirrawhat should I do now?
17:59:39PaulJamcan someone with flyspray access close this task: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5404
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18:02:29godzirraanyone?
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18:06:33godzirraSurely someone can help me figure out what I did wrong? I think I followed the tutorial to the letter, but its still not woring.
18:06:37godzirraworking.
18:07:46godzirraIs it suppoosed to be /dev/sdb1 I write the bootloader to?
18:07:54godzirraanyone even awake anymore? :/
18:08:26nlsPaulJam, done
18:08:51lowlightno ipod here
18:09:00hcsgodzirra: did you eject the ipod or just unplug it?
18:09:17godzirrahcs: I'm doing it through linux. I didnt even realize there was a way to eject it.
18:09:22godzirrasince its not mounted
18:09:30hcseject /dev/sdb
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18:10:03LifeHello
18:10:11godzirrahcs: do I need to rerun the dd first?
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18:10:30hcsgodzirra: yes, I'd suggest trying that
18:10:44hcson the chance that it wasn't completely written to disk
18:10:47Lifeis there some way to create playlists in rockbox?
18:11:07nlsthere surely is
18:11:07godzirrahcs: same problem.
18:11:38hcsgodzirra: dang... I'm going to look over the tutorial to see if there's any other possible gotchas
18:11:38Lifenls: do you know of it? i couldn't find it.
18:11:44godzirraok, thanks.
18:11:54nlsLife, what do you want to do?
18:11:56godzirrahcs: At this point I can't start from the beginning without restoring my ipod, can I?
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18:12:19Lifecreate a playlist in rockbox, because i can't boot up apple's firmware.
18:12:21godzirrabecuase I can't get the original ipod firmware from sdb1?
18:12:29linuxstbgodzirra: How big is your rockboot.bin?
18:12:38hcsgodzirra: you dumped the original ipod firmware in the first step
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18:12:43godzirra12806144
18:13:07lowlightLife: check the manual "Browsing and Playing"
18:13:12linuxstbThat looks about right - how big are apple_os.bin and apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin?
18:13:29godzirraapple_os.bin is 7490048
18:13:31nlsLife, in the file browser or tacgcache browser long press select on a file or folder and select "playlist" and you get a list of available options
18:13:46godzirraapple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin is 5245440
18:14:34linuxstbTry writing rockboot.bin again, but look at the hard disk indicator on your 5g's LCD, and make sure it turns off before you disconnect.
18:14:42godzirraok.
18:15:15godzirraok, its definitely of. i'm ejecting it now.
18:15:31godzirrasame problem.
18:15:34godzirrasays to restore
18:15:59preglowwould anyone happen to know how i make ldd only show libraries linked directly to an executable?
18:16:19bluebrotherLife, there is also a section in the manual that isn't included (because it needs quite some work) yet. If you don't fear looking into the source code you can read it here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/working_with_playlists/main.tex?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
18:16:57linuxstbpreglow: Do you mean static libraries linked to the executable?
18:17:13godzirralinuxstb: should i just try restoring and starting over?
18:17:41linuxstbgodzirra: Did you accidentally write rockboot.bin to /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1?
18:18:32godzirrascrolling through my history, I'm pretty sure I didnt.
18:18:35preglowlinuxstb: no, dynamic ones
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18:18:49preglowlinuxstb: when i use ldd on an executable, i seem to get all dependencies, even indirect ones, listed
18:19:30linuxstbbluebrother: Did you see my bug report regarding the Nano 1.2 install instructions in the manual? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6038
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18:20:24godzirraSo what now? Restore? Or try something else?
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18:21:58linuxstbgodzirra: Can you pastebin your history?
18:22:09godzirrahmmm.. not sure. one second.
18:22:13Lifebluebrother: there is also a section in the manual that isn't included? included in what?
18:22:34godzirradepends on whether pastebin and lynx work well together
18:22:38bluebrotherincluded in the generated manual −− that's the source for the manual
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18:23:00bluebrotherit simply isn't finished enough to include it in the build version
18:23:10bluebrotherbut that will hopefully change soon.
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18:25:19Lifeno need really, maybe i made it sounds more complicated than it is. all i needed was to create a playlist so i can create more in iTunes with the ipod in diskmode.
18:25:59linuxstbLife; Rockbox and itunes don't talk to each other...
18:26:10bluebrotherlinuxstb, how does the reboot work? Press the buttons and hold them until the unit reboots?
18:26:10Lifethey don't use the same playlists?
18:26:39linuxstbLife: No, Rockbox uses standard .m3u playlists, itunes puts playlists in its proprietory database.
18:26:53Lifesh*t
18:27:24linuxstbbluebrother: Yes, just hold MENU+SELECT together for about 4-5 seconds.
18:27:45Lifeit's gonna take ages then >.<
18:27:59linuxstbIt's a hardware reset, so works in both Rockbox and the Apple firmware - it's important for ipod users to know that key combination.
18:28:10godzirralinuxstb: ok, its at http://sial.org/pbot/20198
18:29:35linuxstbgodzirra: That looks fine. So all I can suggest is restoring and trying again.
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18:30:02godzirraok.
18:30:04godzirrai'll try that.
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18:32:33Lifedoes RockBox use the illustrations added via iTunes?
18:32:46nlsno
18:33:14nlsLife, if you tell us what you're trying to do we might be able to help you.
18:33:35bluebrotherLife, Rockbox doesn't use the itunes db at all. It's completely different
18:36:34bluebrotherlinuxstb, how do ipod users know which firmware they are using?
18:37:17linuxstbI think there is an extra Nike menu in the 1.2 firmware, but I'm not sure.
18:37:26theeferHello! I use Rockbox on my iAudio X5 and I love it. However, the battery management is not very efficient and I get only 1/2 or 1/3 of the lifetime of the original firmware. Is this issue being worked on or solveable at all?
18:37:43bluebrotherNike menu?
18:37:44linuxstbbluebrother: Paul_The_Nerd should know.
18:38:17bluebrotherok, I'll ask him when he's around.
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18:41:24pondlifelostlogic: around (again)?
18:41:47jhMikeSHow can it be that if I don't do yielding at all when flushing data, and the codec is flooding it with data that codec can still be running and encoding more? Do the file APIs yeild. I can't seems to find where they would.
18:41:59pondlifeI believe they do
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18:43:03jhMikeSI was looking and didn't can't see it. I must be missing something somewhere.
18:43:19linuxstbThe ata driver yields (in ata.c)
18:43:44jhMikeSduring writes?
18:43:59pondlifejhMikeS: You may know... are all of the file buffer values and indices measured in bytes? I'm getting apparantly incomparable values for buf_ridx, ci.curpos, filebuflen etc..
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18:46:22jhMikeSI don't know offhand but they should be. If not then wtf?
18:46:28pondlifesamples?
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18:46:38pondlifeI'm sure it's just me.. don't worry!
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18:47:45jhMikeSare you talking about the file api's or the codec buffer? I'm tired and it's almost sleepy time.
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18:49:27pondlifeThe codec buffer...with an emphasis on playback,c - audio_buffer_wind_forward().
18:50:01pondlifeI'm only just restarted on it, but having dumped a load of values I was hoping to draw a diagram that made sense
18:50:14godzirraok.. rebooting into linux again to try again
18:50:27lowlightpondlife: they should represent # of bytes
18:50:53jhMikeSlooking at a codec it seems ci.curpos is in bytes
18:50:58pondlifeThat's what I thought. Will study a bit longer.
18:51:19jhMikeSwavpack.c is pretty basic to check it out
18:51:45pondlifeSomehow I'm ending up with a small negative seek (-32606 bytes) for no good reason.
18:51:58pondlifeI suspect that the use of ci.curpos in there may not be valid
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18:52:11lowlightpondlife: AUDIO_REBUFFER_GUESS_SIZE
18:52:35lowlight?
18:52:38pondlifeNearly!
18:53:02pondlifeBut for a normal track-to-track transition, it shouldn't seek. There's no codec in the buffer.
18:53:15jhMikeSpondlife: with what?
18:53:37jhMikeSwhat "normal track-to-track"?
18:53:47jhMikeSno codec change?
18:54:17pondlifeIn this case I have tracks 7-10 all buffered. Playback is from 20 secs before the end of track 7 into track 8. Unexpected glitch and repeat occurs. All tracks are MP3 128kbps
18:54:49pondlifeSo either one of the running totals has got messed up, or this routine is wrong.
18:56:23lowlightIs this the resume bug thing?
18:56:26pondlifeDetails of the problem are http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5906
18:56:46pondlifeNo, but might shed some light perhaps
18:56:49jhMikeSLooking at it I'm not sure the trimming is correct eigther
18:57:04pondlifeTrimming?
18:57:16jhMikeSOf encoder delay and padding
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18:57:54jhMikeSWhy can't one of the trims be zero and the other not?
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18:58:20jhMikeSnever mind it's >= 0...heh bedtime
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18:59:04pondlifeNight night
18:59:12jhMikeSI should be looking at mpa.c?
18:59:18lowlightpondlife: only mp3s?
18:59:35pondlifeI've only tried with MP3s
18:59:39jhMikeSpondlife: couple minutes yet
18:59:49pondlifeNot sure what the original reporter uses
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19:00:19jhMikeSwavpack.codec bites it hard with 88.2kHz wvs.
19:00:28pondlifeAlso noticed that filebufused ends up being set to (the equivalent) of -418 when playback ends...
19:00:33pondlife0 would be nice
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19:00:59pondlifeAh, I'll stop rambling and get hacking.
19:01:23jhMikeSI'll get sleeping and hack later...nighty night
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19:01:45Lifeso how can i browse through music files properly without using tag cache browser?
19:02:01Lifeseeing how i can't create playlists using tag cache browser from what i read in the manual
19:02:46nlssure you can (can't you?)
19:03:00nlsdid you try it?
19:03:18Lifeif i browse through my music files using the file browser all i see are the tags generated by iTunes
19:03:23Lifethe scrambled names and such
19:03:49Lifetag cache browser decyphers those, but i can't edit my playlists with tag cache reader
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19:04:08Lifethere's nothing about it in the "Browsing an playing" part of the manual anyway
19:04:25Lifeand i can't find any way to myself either.
19:04:41nlswhat do you want to do with your playlist
19:04:57Lifei want to add songs to it basicly.
19:05:07Lifeand then i want to be able to view what files i've added to it
19:05:34bluebrotherLife, what do you mean with "your" playlists? Do you mean itunes playlists?
19:05:35nlswhell the viewer will display scrambled file names for now
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19:06:15Lifeno, i mean the file i hope i'm making by selecting "insert" on multiple songs.
19:06:37Lifewhich is supposed to be .m3u, seeing how somebody claimed rockbox uses those
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19:06:50bluebrotherbut you _can_ create playlists from tagcache.
19:06:53nlsit will be if you save it
19:06:58Lifewhich is supposed to be in the root>playlists>playlistname dir
19:07:08bluebrothernot necessarily.
19:07:12Lifenls, where's the save button? T_T
19:07:17nlsno it's supposed to be where you save it
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19:07:34bluebrotherplaylists can be anywhere on disk, but the playlist catalog needs its playlists in the playlists folder
19:07:47nlsin the menu select playlist options and then save playlist
19:07:53Lifelet's make things more complicated please bluebrother.
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19:08:04nls"save current playlist" even
19:08:04bluebrotherLife, if you want to ...
19:08:05Lifethere is no playlist options in the menu.
19:08:18Lifebluebrother: that was a rethorical comment.
19:08:21Lifehope i spelled that right
19:08:23bluebrotherI know.
19:08:28nlsthen you're in the wrong menu
19:08:56Lifei'm in the top most menu, the one i see when i boot up rockbox.
19:09:14bluebrotherthat's not a menu, that's the browser
19:09:20nlsthat would be the file browser, press menu button
19:09:33bluebrotheryou can save a playlist from the main menu or from the context menu of the wps
19:09:42Lifem*th*rf*ck*r!
19:09:51nlsok by then
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19:10:01Lifenot you o.O
19:10:12bluebrotherwho then?
19:10:20bluebrother(rhetorical question)
19:10:28Lifek.
19:10:36Lifehmm, did spell it wrong i see
19:15:59Lifeeverything's so hard to figure out, but it's soo bloody obvious once you do T_T
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19:28:28lowlightpondlife: what's audio_buffer_wind_forward() doing?
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19:36:55bluebrotherhi tucoz
19:37:03tucozhi
19:37:30bluebrotheryou should now be able adding \printindex somewhere and get an index
19:37:44tucozsaw you radio commit, nice. That i have been waiting for :)
19:37:51tucozoh, cool
19:37:52bluebrotherof course the index points need to get done
19:38:08bluebrotherI commited some with the installation.tex change
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19:38:34bluebrothersounds like quite some people were waiting for the radio change.
19:38:41*bluebrother is a bit surprised by that
19:39:01tucozyes, but i thought we have to run the manual through aspell to get the words proper British English, and that one could do some search & replace then
19:39:14tucozat the same time
19:39:24tucozas that will make for a possibly huge commit
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19:40:25bluebrotherI thought about adding the \index entries bit-by-bit
19:41:57bluebrotherdo you know how to distinguish between the different nano firmware? To get FS #6038 fixed.
19:42:17tucozyes, that is of course an option. Should we set up a wiki on words that should be indexed?
19:42:30tucozwords or group of words?
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19:43:46bluebrotherhmm. I thought simply about when going through parts of the manual to add indexes for the things that sound like indexing
19:44:16bluebrothermaybe a wiki page with topics that should actually included in the index would be helpful
19:44:16tucozI haven't though this through to be honest.
19:44:55tucozBut, i figured, that if you go through the manual to find a word that should be indexed, then shouldn't all places in the manual where that word is also be indexed?
19:45:02bluebrotherI also want to do some adjustments to the index layout before it gets added, but this shouldn't keep us away from adding index entries.
19:45:12tucoze.g. playlist is mentioned several times throughout the manual
19:45:18obobluebrother: in the ipod OF, the Settings->About screen shows the firmware version and if it's windows formatted
19:45:31bluebrotherno. Only the part that's relevant.
19:45:36oboobo: well, it does on a 5g
19:45:41tucozgot to get some food. bbl
19:46:09bluebrotheras it's like "oh, I want to know about playlists. Look in the index as it is supposed to list all pages that actually say something useful for playlists"
19:46:33bluebrotherobo, thanks. I assume it's the same on nano, and if not someone will complain ;-)
19:46:45obotrue :)
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19:58:11tucozbluebrother, i agree. Makes the indexing less automated though ;)
19:59:37bluebrotheripod 5g == video?
19:59:48TeaSeay
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20:06:25bluebrotherhmm. I don't like the ipod installation repeating mostly equal stuff three times
20:06:46godzirraSorry, was at lunch
20:06:49godzirralinuxstb_: still ther?
20:06:51godzirrathere
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20:09:53dproall ipod minis are 3rd gen or would a 2gen mini be 4th gen ipod ... this is so confusing ;)
20:10:50dproI just found this ipod recording patch in flyspray and was wondering if that could be done on a mini (my video was stolen :((( )
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20:17:06godzirralinuxstb_: you here now?
20:17:13bluebrotherdamn. Nested opt's don't seem to work :(
20:17:28linuxstb_dpro: The 3g, 4g, and 5g are the full-size ipods. The mini (and Nano) are outside that series, and both have 1st and 2nd generation versions themselves.
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20:18:11godzirralinuxstb_: I did a complete restore then followed the step, step by step. I'm trying to paste the results, but it still didnt work.
20:18:15linuxstb_dpro: But afaik, the minis can't record.
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20:19:52bluebrotherargh. This installation source makes me dumb
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20:24:20godzirralinuxstb_: ok, I'm lost... what the heck am i doing wrong.
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20:24:22godzirrawant me to repaste?
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20:25:15godzirrahttp://sial.org/pbot/20204 is my paste of what i've done
20:26:16obogodzirra: "Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512)" You've got one of the new 5.5g ipods?
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20:28:21bluebrothercan someone proof-read the adjusted nano install instructions? Those repeating text makes me dumb ... http://pastebin.ca/192135
20:28:31dprolinuxstb_: ah ok thx
20:29:24godzirraobo: It doesnt appear so. I was told that the new ipods all end in a specific set of letters for the serial number
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20:30:49linuxstb_Maybe the latest Apple firmware changes the sector size on all 5gs...
20:30:49obogodzirra: strange... the 2048 vs 512 sector issue is what's stopping the 5.5s from working with rockbox
20:31:10linuxstb_It wouldn't surprise me - the hardware seems almost identical.
20:31:24obolinuxstb_: update to the flash as well then?
20:31:37linuxstb_Yes, all Apple firmware upgrades upgrade the flash.
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20:31:44godzirracrap
20:31:50godzirrahow do I downgrade my firmware?
20:32:07godzirraand what version do I want/need?
20:32:44obo1.1 or 1.0 should be okay
20:32:50godzirrahmm
20:32:53godzirraany idea where I can get one of those?
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20:35:44obohttp://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Updaters maybe?
20:36:05godzirraThanks... i've been googling for it and failing
20:36:38obono idea if those work, or how those work... I must have used different google keywords :)
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20:37:50desowinhow can I reset my iPod when it freezed ?
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20:38:22oboHold select and menu - tis in the FAQ/manual
20:38:47godzirraobo: apparently ;) ipod 1.1 firmware upgrade didnt work form e.
20:38:50desowinholding, but no effect :(
20:39:01godzirraI'm familiar with how the updaters work though. just hoping it doesnt try and be smart and not update cause its an older firmware.
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20:39:47obodesowin: hold is off?
20:39:48desowinoh, it worked
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20:40:55linuxstb_godzirra: It wouldn't surprise me if your attempts to update fail. In which case, you'll have to wait until someone fixes Rockbox to work with disks with that sector size.
20:41:55obowould a raw apple firmware work? If it was extracted from an updater?
20:43:16linuxstb_The problem could be that the firmware in flash is expecting a disk formatted with 2048-byte sectors - so it would read a firmware partition image based on 512-byte sectors.
20:43:33linuxstb_^wouldn't read a firmware...
20:44:05linuxstb_But it's worth trying.
20:45:25*linuxstb_ considers upgrading his 5g with itunes7 to see what happens...
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20:48:02tucozit might explode
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20:48:52godzirraobo: how could I extra the raw apple firmware from the updater?
20:48:57godzirramy attempts to downgrade did fail.
20:49:12linuxstb_godzirra: ipodwizard
20:49:41godzirraI did find a howto to downgrade th3~ough.
20:49:52godzirrawhich says to download ipodwizard :)
20:50:23linuxstb_When did you buy your 5g?
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20:53:36godzirrayesterday
20:53:46godzirraIt was one of hte "old ipods" so was on sale for $229
20:53:58godzirrahrm
20:54:04godzirraipodwizard keeps telling me there's no ipod attached
20:54:35bluey-bah i can't mount my ipod over nfs as i want :(
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20:57:34godzirrayeah, freaking ipod wizard won't detect my ipod.
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21:00:39IncerUhm... Hi....
21:00:52IncerI needed an answer.... :)
21:01:45godzirraobo: ok, I've extracted the raw firmware... what do I -do- with it?
21:02:05IncerI do have a video iPod, and I use it with my Kenwood car stereo, through an adapter. Does rockbox have support for it?
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21:11:33obogodzirra: dd it to the firmware partition
21:13:13godzirraobo: ok, the file I extracted was IDR_FIRMWARE-13.6.1.1
21:13:16godzirrais that the file I dd?
21:14:10oboit should be about 12mb?
21:14:13godzirraok
21:14:16godzirrathats it then
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21:18:18godzirraobo: ok, I did dd if=IDR_FIRMWARE-13.6.1.1 of=/dev/sdb1
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21:18:31godzirrait didnt work. same "connect your computer so ituns can restore it"
21:18:44oboyeah, looks like the right dd command
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21:20:51oboI don't think there is any other way round it, apart from waiting for 2048 sector support
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21:23:52godzirrais that even in the works?
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21:24:50obotheres a posting on the forum where a couple of people were looking into it, but I don't know what the progress is.
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21:27:15godzirradarnit. :/
21:27:35godzirraall the awys to downgrade apparently dont work anymore.
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21:30:23oboIncer: does the adapter plug in through the dock or headphone socket?
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21:39:36godzirrasigh.
21:39:44godzirraoh well. I guess its itunes for me then :/
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21:44:43godzirraok, it looks like dr. moreau said he got the ipodpatcher working
21:44:57godzirraand that the hardware is the asme for the 5.5g as the 5g (at least for the 30 gig version)
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21:48:45godzirrarockbox has an 'official installer' for ipod?
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21:52:17godzirraanyone have any comments on that?
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21:54:14linuxstb_godzirra: No, there's no official ipod installer for Rockbox.
21:54:43godzirraok... the info on the rockbox forums is somewhat confusing
21:54:51godzirrait claims there is an easy way to install on the 5g's with 1.2
21:54:54godzirrabut I dont see how that can possibly work.
21:55:49Paul_The_NerdIt can work pretty easily
21:56:03godzirraplease do share paul.. i've been trying to get it to work all morning
21:56:28linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: godzirra appears to have an old 5g with 2048-byte sectors...
21:56:32Paul_The_NerdThe 5Gs with 1.2 have the same installation process as always, don't they? The only difference is the missing sysinfo, which is unnecessary to the installation process.
21:56:41godzirraipodpatcher doesnt detect my ipod.
21:56:52Paul_The_NerdIf they're 2048 byte sectors, it's a 5.5G then, isn't it?
21:56:56godzirraand I've tried multiple times in linux with ipod_fw
21:57:06godzirraPaul_The_Nerd: no. 5.5G also has 2048 byte sectors
21:57:11godzirrabut so does 5g with the 1.2 firmware
21:57:30linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: Apple have a list of serial numbers which they say are "Late 2006" 5gs. gidzirra's ipod doesn't match.
21:57:32Paul_The_NerdSo when you upgrade to 1.2, it changes the sector size?
21:57:42godzirraapparently.
21:57:46godzirramine came with 1.2
21:57:48godzirraI think...
21:57:54godzirraitunes may have upgraded it.
21:57:59linuxstb_godzirra: The odd thing is no-one else has reported such a problem.
21:58:00godzirraor I may have upgraded it the first time I did a restore
21:58:01godzirrai'm not sure.
21:58:11godzirralinuxstb_: with ipodpatcher not showign it?
21:58:14godzirrayes they have... :)
21:58:41Paul_The_NerdPeople have installed Rockbox on 1.2 5Gs successfully.
21:58:49Paul_The_NerdOn an old 5G, the sector size stays the same.
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21:58:55godzirrathen wtf.
21:59:03linuxstb_Maybe it's OK if you upgrade to 1.2, but a restore could change the format.
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21:59:04Paul_The_NerdApparently the new 5Gs are formatted like the 5.5Gs
21:59:05godzirraI got a 5.5g and apple just screwed up?
21:59:23godzirrai dunno, I just want to get rockbox installed :/
21:59:25Paul_The_NerdYeah, restore likely does it too
21:59:28godzirraand i'm at a loss as to what to do now
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21:59:47Paul_The_NerdConsidering that the 5Gs and the 5.5Gs are pretty much identical, I'd imagine they'd "restore" to the same sector size, probably
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21:59:51IncerDoh, I went away and I didn't see your reply, obo. I hope you're still here... Anyway it plugs in the connector port, on the bottom.
21:59:52linuxstb_godzirra: You have to wait for someone to fix Rockbox.
21:59:59godzirrasigh.
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22:00:07godzirralinuxstb_: I saw that DrMoreau had fixed the patcher apparently.
22:00:12godzirraif I use his fixed patcher, shuold rockbox work?
22:00:18Paul_The_NerdFor all practical purposes, yours is a 5.5G now.
22:00:19godzirra*should
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22:00:26Paul_The_NerdWithout the brighter screen
22:00:26godzirraPaul_The_Nerd: bah.
22:00:28oboIncer: can you control the ipod via the kenwood unit?
22:00:32IncerYes
22:00:58linuxstb_godzirra: No, it's more than ipodpatcher that needs fixing - Rockbox's ATA/FAT drivers need adapting.
22:01:06godzirraok. :(
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22:01:13obothen I doubt it will work with rockbox - sounds like it uses the accessory protocol
22:01:17*godzirra goes to read and see if ipodlinux can do it for now then.
22:01:23Incerit's a KCA-iP500
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22:01:34IncerThe adapter, I mean
22:01:52godzirraI hate people that force upgrades.
22:02:08Paul_The_NerdShouldn't have bought an iPod then
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22:03:06godzirraipodlinux doesnt detect it as an ipod either
22:03:08godzirranor does ipodwizard
22:03:24godzirraPaul_The_Nerd: If I cuold find an iriver that wasnt $250 bucks for a 6 gig drive, I would have bought another iriver :/
22:03:27IncerCan I dual boot in the apple firmware and use that when I connect the iPod to the stereo, or is there any problem?
22:03:45godzirrathe i10 is 250 for 6 gigs though.
22:04:21Soap_OutOfTownIncer: there should be no reason you can't
22:05:00Paul_The_NerdIncer: So long as you use iTunes to transfer the music
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22:05:43IncerI thought that maybe the bootloader changed something, but I guess it doesn't...
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22:06:49IncerGod, I hate that apple firmware... If it wasn't for the car stereo... :'(
22:07:35peturmy last link for this night ;) http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/05/hw_ipod_nano_discolour/
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22:49:28hcsshould I be able to throw together my own profiling by polling ci->current_tick?
22:51:54preglowdepends, the tick timer isn't very high accuracy
22:51:59preglowwhy not use a profiling build?
22:52:22hcsdoesn't fit in memory, and someone suggested that it wouldn't work with arm
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22:52:37preglowright, arm needs a parser
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22:52:40preglowthat's on my todo list, actually
22:53:02hcsis there a register on arm that keeps an accurate count? anything else I could use?
22:53:04preglowbut yeah, for your own profiling builds, it might be wiser to use the user timer
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22:53:29preglowi think it's exported to plugins
22:54:43hcsmaybe I'm missing something, can I use this for elapsed time?
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22:56:32linuxstbOn the ipod/H10 you can use USEC_TIMER to for a microsecond timer.
22:56:50hcslinuxstb: thank you, I'll see if that is useful
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22:57:08hcsI don't know what kind of times I'm dealing with here...
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23:03:19Dma-Scit seems rb builds released after 20060928 won't work on my brother's H10 5gb. it boots, reaches the directory listing, switching from numeric volume display to graphical, but it's not responding to any control, have you heard of this problem?
23:04:06barrywardellthat's the first I've heard of it
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23:04:40barrywardellhave you made sure to delete your rockbox.h10 and .rockbox before unzipping the new rockbox.zip?
23:04:46Dma-Scyes
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23:06:32Dma-Sci tried several daily builds after discovering the problem and only the one from 20060928 will work ok (which is a shame because the bettery life seems to have been increased in the recent ones ;)
23:06:58Dma-Scbettery > battery
23:07:12Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean by "switching from numeric volume display to graphical"
23:07:16barrywardellsupport for the remote was added on the 29th. maybe that introduced a problem
23:07:22Paul_The_NerdDo you mean that you can do that, or that that happens when you install the build?
23:08:07Soap_OutOfTownI don't know what the H10 command is, but did you reset settings upon booting the new build for the first time?
23:08:10Dma-Sci just mean when it first displays numerical value then graphical after having booted
23:08:42Paul_The_NerdDma-Sc: Could you clarify further, I still have no idea what you mean. "At first"?
23:08:51barrywardellreset settings is to have hold on while rockbox is starting up
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23:09:27Dma-Scbarrywardell : ah i'll try that right now then
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23:10:28barrywardellyou have to switch hold on after turning the power on (but before the rockbox logo) since the iriver bootloader won't let the system start up if hold is on when it starts
23:10:56Dma-ScPaul_The_Nerd : well when rockbox reachs the directory listening it first displays volume in the status bar as numeric, then as grahic
23:11:03MadHatter`is there anybody here taht can help me with prc files
23:11:48bluebrotherprc? Sounds like Palm program files
23:11:52MadHatter`ya
23:11:57Paul_The_NerdWhat does that have to do with Rockbox?
23:12:53MadHatter`absolutly nothing
23:13:00MadHatter`im coming here for desperate help
23:13:07MadHatter`i know u guys r great at pc's
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23:14:51Dma-Scsetting have been reseted (displayed "cleared" under rockbox), but it's still having a problem, i guess it's the same problem has before only i didn't played with hold button, i'll explain...
23:16:38Dma-Scwhen hold is on, some buttons are responding but all they do is scrolling down, it's the case for touch pad up, touch pad down and the 'o' key
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23:17:56Dma-Scbut when hold is off nothing is responding
23:17:59barrywardelldoes it recognise when hold is switched on and off. ie does the hold icon show up?
23:18:14Dma-Scyep
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23:21:45Dma-Scwow, now as hold is off, if i press 'o' it scrolls down and loops for a long time, hanging sometimes and stopping after something like 1 min
23:21:54barrywardelldo you know how to compile your own build? if so, you could try undoing the changes here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10/button-h10.c.diff?r1=1.9&r2=1.10
23:22:05barrywardelland see if it works then
23:22:19barrywardellthey're the changes made to the button code on the 29th
23:22:36Dma-Sci guess the controls are pretty messed up yeah
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23:23:37Dma-Sci once compiled a simulator build, i just have to find the explanations on the wiki for a proper "real" build?
23:24:17scorcheDma-Sc: it is quite simple
23:24:30scorchen instead of s and make zip instead of make install
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23:26:09Dma-Scah i still have the windows tools for compiling rockbox depacked here
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23:28:17Dma-Scbarrywardell : i should just grab the latest source and replace button-h10.c with v1.9?
23:28:32barrywardellexactly, should work I think
23:29:07barrywardellalso grab button-target.h v1.1
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23:29:58Dma-Scok
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23:39:16Dma-Scthe latest source dir was from 20051206, no change in the windows compilation pack since then? it should compile latest source allright?
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23:45:57Dma-Scah it misses arm-elf-gcc compiler
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23:52:49Soap_OutOfTownhmm

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