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#rockbox log for 2006-10-06

00:00:52 Join unstable [0] (n=unstable@65.110.59.200)
00:00:58unstableWhere can I get screenshots?
00:01:26Dma-Scbah i'm setting up an environnement following the latest cygwin instruction, so that it'll be fine
00:02:47Paul_The_Nerdunstable: Have you looked in the manual?
00:07:03unstableahh, I see
00:07:05unstablethanks Paul_The_Nerd
00:09:03unstableDoes Rockbox support ogg(theora+vorbis) and/or ogm(theora+vorbis)?
00:09:31Paul_The_NerdRockbox doesn't support Theora at all
00:09:39Paul_The_NerdWhich is why it's not listed as doing so anywhere...
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00:10:31Jungti1234hi there
00:11:03preglowunstable: only video rockbox somewhat supports is mpeg1/2
00:11:14preglowunstable: theora is probably way to cpu intensive for rockbox to be able to use it very well
00:12:01scorchePaul_The_Nerd: can you add an option from within the mobile version of the forums to return to the regular version?...recently, i have been accessing the phone version when the regular version is better for my phone
00:13:29unstableWhat is a good portable music playing device to buy? archos/ipod/creative/iriver?
00:13:47unstableIs there a site anywhere comparing average lifetime until death?
00:14:07Paul_The_Nerdscorche: In all honesty, I haven't yet looked at the mobile version's source at all so I don't know what I can/cannot do. Have you tried going to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?; instead of http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?;wap2 ?
00:14:42scorchePaul_The_Nerd: i havent messed with it yet...but i will try
00:15:06Paul_The_Nerdscorche: I remember finding some way to change what parameter I passed index.php to get the normal version, but I honestly can't remember what right now. I just know I've gotten to it on my phone
00:15:26scorcheyeah...i used to go to the reg version
00:15:37scorchebut something was changed in the past few weeks i guess
00:16:09Paul_The_NerdThat's strange. I haven't changed anything in the last few weeks, other than putting up the new menu bar.
00:16:22scorchemonth or 2?
00:16:55Paul_The_NerdMaybe when I updated the software version the forum was running n?
00:17:00scorchepossibly
00:17:30scorcheugh...blazer is getting on my nerves...i wonder if i should just get opera (but it takes up so much space!)
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00:23:51scorchePaul_The_Nerd: i will get back to you...need to fix this browser...
00:25:02Paul_The_NerdOk
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01:30:12Dma-Scok so i compiled rockbox for h10 5gb with sources changes : apps/keymaps/keymap-h10.c 1.9, firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10/button-h10.c 1.9 & firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10/button-target.h 1.1
01:30:25Dma-Scand now the controls works fine
01:30:47Dma-Scso that remote support really introduced bugs on this
01:34:06Dma-Scbye all
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02:56:39d1ry4nCan someone tell me what my cheapest target HW platform would be? I don't wan't to use my main player for development.
02:58:08Paul_The_NerdWhat exactly are you asking?
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02:58:32Paul_The_NerdWhat kind of development were you planning to do, and why can't you use your main player?
02:58:40NsNI don't really know about the archos and iriver players, but you could try to get a refurbished ipod nano for about 90$
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02:59:20NsNJust don't get one of the new ones with the full metal casing
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03:00:23d1ry4nI'm looking at doing application feature development, possibly porting as well. I have a Sansa e250 and I don't want to take the chance of destroying it.
03:00:28NsNBut i guess you could get one of the iriver or archos player for less, if you look around on ebay
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03:01:22Paul_The_Nerdd1ry4n: I believe the only people who've destroyed theirs overwrote the bootloader, right?
03:01:33Paul_The_Nerdd1ry4n: But for something similar, an iPod Nano would be ideal.
03:01:53Paul_The_NerdNsN: Actually, you're going to be hard pressed to find a Rockbox supported iRiver for less than a Nano.
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03:02:26d1ry4nEventually I'll be taking it apart to mess around inside, and I'm gonna break it. It's gonna happen, I'm sure of it.
03:03:19Paul_The_NerdWell, taking it apart is different from application development by a long shot.
03:03:50d1ry4nyes. but, i can't resist hardware.
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03:04:35d1ry4nthanks for the tips everyone!
03:05:01NsNYou're welcome
03:05:35pagefaultiriver is selling refurb h320 for $160
03:06:00pagefaultI think
03:06:03pagefaultsomething around that range
03:07:08NsNIf i understand the homepage correctly there is no difference between the ipod and other players, in regard to the rockbox features, right?
03:07:31NsNNegative differences for the ipod i mean.
03:07:41Paul_The_NerdThe iPod's a bit earlier in development so the battery life isn't great yet.
03:07:59Paul_The_NerdAnd the equalizer can cause the music to skip because things aren't as optimized as they could be.
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03:08:47NsNI remember that some time ago a few features weren't available for the ipod, but now it seems, that the ipod actually has more than some of the other players.
03:08:57Paul_The_NerdFeatures like what?
03:09:21Paul_The_NerdOther than things like FM radio, which only works on players that actually have a radio chip, Rockbox features are nearly identical on all targets since it's actually the same software being run on all of them
03:10:04pagefaulth10 is wonderful too if you can find a 5/6gb model
03:10:16pagefault20gb can be annoyance due to MTP
03:10:32NsNWell, on the page it says e.g. that doom is not possible on Archos models. I think i saw something like that for ipods as well (that was about 6 months ago)
03:11:02Paul_The_NerdDoom isn't really a feature.
03:11:09Paul_The_NerdBut the Archoses are just far too slow (hardware restricts it)
03:11:11pagefaultdoom is just a "wow it runs it"
03:11:14Paul_The_NerdAnd it plays fine on the iPods nowadays
03:11:37JdGordonno, doom isnt really usable on the ipod
03:11:44Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: The controls suck.
03:11:45JdGordonthe kjeys ont work too well
03:11:47Paul_The_NerdBut it's perfectly playable
03:11:51Paul_The_NerdI've beaten several levels
03:11:55pagefaultipod what
03:11:59Paul_The_NerdNano
03:12:08pagefaultah
03:12:15Paul_The_NerdWhy?
03:12:15pagefaultyeah I can't play it on my h10
03:12:27Paul_The_Nerd5/6gb?
03:12:28JdGordondoom on the h300 is a fair bit better :p cept those keys break your fingers after a while :p
03:12:29pagefaultthe keys are too awkwrd
03:12:30pagefault5gb
03:12:41pagefaultbut it runs full speed
03:12:47pagefaultor at least fast enough to play
03:13:26pagefaultI wish I could hook a keyboard up to it
03:13:34pagefaultor a gamepad
03:13:52pagefaultmaybe something rigged through the remote port
03:14:23NsNWhich of the supported players would be the most powerful in terms of mhz / mips / flops or something like that?
03:14:36Paul_The_NerdNsN: Depends on how you're judging
03:15:09Paul_The_NerdThe iRiver H100/H300 and iAudio X5 are all clocked up to 124mhz, but the iPod has two 75mhz cores.
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03:15:41NsNYeah, but the second core on the ipod is only used in maybe 3 programs so far
03:16:06JdGordonim not actually sure if anything uses the 2nd core yet
03:16:11NsNAll of those are ARM cores?
03:16:39JdGordonno, iriver hxxx and x5 are coldire
03:16:42pagefaultI think everything is done on the same core right now
03:17:12NsNI know that the ipodlinux gameboy emulator uses the second core, and i think idoom does as well, so the rockdoom might also use it.
03:17:20Paul_The_NerdNsN: iRiver H100/H300 and iAudio X5 are m68k, the Archos models are SH1, and the iPods and H10 are ARM7
03:17:32Paul_The_NerdNsN: Rockdoom is not based off of iDoom.
03:17:38JdGordonNsN: iPL and rockbox share no code
03:17:41NsNSo they are even less comparable...
03:17:43pagefaultI got another hour out of that recent patch for the H10 though
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03:17:51pagefaultso the battery life is getting better on that
03:18:19NsNAh, sorry, i thought that was some kind of joint project
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03:19:38Paul_The_NerdNope, we've used some of their code for the hardware bits, but almost anything application-level is completely unrelated.
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03:20:56NsNHmm, that seems like a bit of a waste, But then again most users seem to think that there is a direct competition between rockbox and ipodlinux...
03:21:31Paul_The_NerdHow is it a waste?
03:21:49Paul_The_NerdiPodLinux is linux based, with very different goals than the Rockbox project, so there's not terribly much to be reused.
03:22:06Paul_The_NerdAs well, Rockbox's goals include being cross-platform.
03:22:24NsNThe code could not be reused directly hardware wise, but maybe on algorithm level.
03:22:36Paul_The_NerdFor what?
03:22:46bawb2can anybody point me to some web resources on c programming and audio?
03:23:10pagefaultconsidering ipodlinux doesn't run on anything not an ipod
03:23:13*scorche points bawb2 to www.google.com
03:23:14pagefaultI don't see how it's a competition
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03:23:24NsNFor example the mpeg-plugin, i guess there is quite a lot of optimisation in there
03:23:26pagefaultor some kind of code competition
03:23:33pagefaultrockbox is like a firmware replacement
03:23:38bawb2scorche: i've tried many queries, i'm not exactly sure how to find these things
03:23:39scorchenot like..is
03:23:41Paul_The_NerdNsN: Well, iPodLinux is free to use our MPEG code if they want. It is GPLed.
03:23:44NsNbawb2: for windows, linux, rockbox, mac os?
03:23:46pagefaultyeah
03:23:51pagefaultis what I mean
03:24:00pagefaultrather than trying to be an OS and more
03:24:08scorchebawb2: if you want to find out about something, wikipedia is good as well
03:24:24bawb2NsN: well, im developing on linux, but my goal is for rockbox
03:24:53NsNbawb2: For linux you might want to search for oss or Open Sound System
03:25:08pagefaultif you are one of the people like me then rockbox is the only way you will get vorbis or aac or things like that
03:25:15pagefaultwho have a H10
03:25:16NsNbawb2: http://www.4front-tech.com/pguide/audio.html
03:25:22pagefaultbecause iriver will never do it
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03:26:44NsNpagefault: I've got a nano, right now i'm using the default firmware and rockbox for audio, rockbox for some games (bubbles) and ipodlinux for a few useful programs and videos
03:26:44pagefaultstill waiting on that audible support that was on the box
03:26:51pagefaultbut was never in the player
03:28:00pagefaultNsN, I do that also for my H10 but because rockbox doesn't support the FM tuner in it yet
03:28:00NsNYes, rockbox is definately the best way to get support for additional codecs, or just to use the player as a "drag and drop player"
03:28:05pagefaultor the recorder
03:28:07Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: Ever considered contacting some sort of consumer protection agency regarding the false packaging?
03:28:50pagefaultPaul_The_Nerd, sometimes but it probably won't get me anywhere
03:28:58pagefaultthey are based in korea, what is going to happen
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03:29:34Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: True, and it's not even an actively sold product these days, I suppose.
03:30:00pagefaultPaul_The_Nerd, it wasn't the reason I bought the player but for someone who might have it would not be nice for them
03:30:27Paul_The_NerdEspecially since iRiver was advertising Audible support.
03:30:51pagefaultso I am resulting to grey area methods of playing my books which I purchashed
03:30:59pagefaultexcuse me, purchased
03:31:30pagefaultI am just happy rockbox does bookmarks
03:31:34pagefaultit makes it a huge help
03:32:08Paul_The_NerdI've resorted to a few of those gray area methods myself, before I got a nano.
03:32:54pagefaultyeah probably my next player will be a nano
03:33:06pagefaultbut we'll see what iriver comes out with, so far they are only dealing with low end stuff
03:33:54pagefaultsomething with a removable battery is nice though
03:34:04pagefaultI have two of them so I just swap when I need to
03:34:08Paul_The_NerdThat's part of why I like the Sansa.
03:34:26Paul_The_NerdI'd love it if it either supported Audible content, or we got Rockbox working on it. Either one would be good.
03:35:22pagefaultwell I work on zsnes which was all reverse engineering the snes, you just need to know whats in it
03:35:33pagefaultand find some docs if you are lucky
03:35:40pagefaultand mostly run your own tests
03:35:41Paul_The_NerdNot gonna happen with the PortalPlayer chipset.
03:35:46NsNI was just wondering how much interest is there for video support on rockbox and how fast the development of mpegplayer is going.
03:35:56Paul_The_NerdAnd the frustrating part is that it has a *lot* of hardware on the chip. Like, I believe, the USB controller.
03:36:30pagefaulta lot of co-processors like on-cart stuff like DSP-1 used on mario kart was all done by just feeding it values and recording the data
03:36:42pagefaultand figuring out what each register did
03:36:44Paul_The_NerdNsN: Frankly, many of us just don't care, since we bought our devices to be music players. But what's holding it back is that the person who did most of the up front work is waiting for Dual Core support to be working on the iPod targets. And nobody with an iRiver wants it enough to work on the audio support for the iRivers, or optimizations.
03:36:46pagefaultnot a fun process
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03:37:52pagefaultwell I would love to help
03:37:58pagefaultbut I don't know enough about my player
03:38:10Paul_The_NerdWhich player do you have?
03:38:12NsNPaul_The_Nerd: Yepp, i'm pretty sure that the audio part won't work without the coprocessor. I'm quite impressed that the whole video part works
03:38:18pagefaultH10 5gb
03:38:42Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: Have you been here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10Port
03:39:07pagefaultI have but the problem is I am totally lost in the code
03:39:19Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: Ah, just making sure you knew where we kept our datasheets, scans, etc.
03:39:25pagefaultyeah I have all those
03:39:49pagefaultI made an attempt at getting the tuner working
03:40:00pagefaultbut there were so many ifdefs for the other players I couldn't find them all
03:40:03Paul_The_NerdNsN: It'll certainly help a lot. In theory, if audio were handled by the COP, we could get the same framerates we already do after adding audio.
03:40:07pagefaultand it was such a pain I gave up
03:40:13Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: We're working on the IFDEF hell.
03:40:36Paul_The_NerdThe main problem is that Rockbox wasn't originally expected to spread out like this, so it's having to be reorganized and cleaned up.
03:40:46pagefaultI work for a CCTV company so I am very familiar with how encoders/tuners embedded processors work
03:40:53pagefaultit's just the rockbox code that makes me lost
03:40:58NsNI was thinking about adding support for the mvpd format used by the experimental ipodlinux player, but it really depends how close the audio support is and if anybody would be interested
03:41:46pagefaultso right now I am just trying random stuff to see where it gets me and find out if I can do something useful
03:41:53pagefaultand reading other people's commits to learn
03:41:55Paul_The_NerdNsN: Why does it matter if anyone here would be interested. If you'd like the feature, create a plugin for it, and post your code to the tracker. I'm sure plenty of users would like *any* video with sound.
03:42:41pagefaultlike I can get SPC support working but if you ask me to put it in the menu don't ask me how to do that hehe
03:43:01NsNPaul_The_Nerd: I myself use ipodlinux to play the videos, but in theory it should work a bit smoother on rockbox, since there is less system overhead.
03:43:02Paul_The_NerdWell, SPC should be a codec anyway, right?
03:43:07pagefaultyeah
03:43:12Paul_The_NerdNsN: In theory, yes.
03:43:14pagefaultI just don't know how to display the file info
03:43:19Paul_The_NerdAaah
03:43:20pagefaultor any of that jazz
03:43:38Paul_The_NerdFile Info, as in?
03:43:59pagefaultwell the SPC's have a tag that say what game they are from, composer, year and etc
03:44:05pagefaultwould be nice to display that
03:44:09pagefaultsort of similar to ID3
03:44:24Paul_The_NerdAaah.
03:44:48Paul_The_NerdAnd you've looked at the various other metadata parsers to see how they load up the ID3 structure?
03:44:57pagefaultsort of
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03:45:03*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
03:45:09pagefaulti'll find my way eventually
03:45:11Paul_The_NerdI'm not really familiar with that area, so, yeah. :)
03:45:11pagefaultit is open source
03:45:33Paul_The_NerdYup
03:45:35pagefaulttaking a look at stuff like the module patch is a good place to start to add things
03:47:15pagefaultright now i'm more interested in optimizing the h10 port a bit mores
03:47:22pagefaults/mores/more
03:47:29pagefaultso I can use the EQ without it crapping out on me
03:47:54pagefaultbut I guess that would be a big job since I think that would require offloading a lot of work onto the other core
03:49:32Paul_The_NerdActually other things you can do that'll help would be figuring out how to speed up screen drawing, and /or text writing (which i guess it part of it.
03:49:45pagefaultah
03:49:49pagefaultis that an issue
03:49:50pagefaulthmm
03:50:15pagefaultI guess I should go look at that code then
03:50:35pagefaultwould explain why certain themes make it skip
03:51:15Paul_The_NerdScreen updates are, so I've heard, one of the more cpu eating parts of normal operation
03:51:23pagefaultsometimes I need to go into browser mode to just play something without skipping ;)
03:51:52Paul_The_NerdWhich WPS are you using?
03:52:00pagefaulticatcher
03:52:05pagefaultit seems fine with most stuff
03:52:10Paul_The_NerdWeird
03:52:23pagefaultit's mainly when I touch the EQ it becomes a problem
03:52:42Paul_The_NerdAh
03:52:44Paul_The_NerdYeah.
03:53:04pagefaulthowever it's still better than the stock firmware
03:53:45pagefaulthaving to use that stupid thing to build a db of my files
03:53:59Paul_The_NerdHehehe
03:54:15pagefaultI just want to copy it over and play it
03:54:19pagefaultand rockbox does that
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03:54:40Paul_The_NerdIt's quite good at that, yeah. :)
03:55:10pagefaultI usually have it on long enough it makes up it's own id3 db as well
03:55:15pagefaultheh
03:55:17pagefaultso it's get a lot of use
03:56:03pagefaultprobably also killing performance
03:56:05pagefaultI should turn it off
03:56:13pagefaultuse the perl script instead
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03:57:15pagefaultI use amarok to sync so at least they have an option now so I can run that to generate my db when I sync
03:58:42NsNI've got to get some sleep now. Thanks for all the Info. Good Night!
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04:03:29pagefaultI wonder if I can get rockbox ported to my iriver slimx
04:03:30pagefaultheh
04:03:36pagefaultI doubt it has enough firmware room
04:04:43Paul_The_NerdWell, Rockbox doesn't really require much space in flash.
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04:04:54Paul_The_NerdUsually we put a very small bootloader in flash, and then Rockbox itself is loaded from disk
04:05:08pagefaultit would just be interested to see a cd player play a SID file
04:05:09pagefaultheh
04:05:27Paul_The_NerdHehehe
04:05:42Paul_The_NerdYou'd probably need to have Rockbox be present on each CD then. =/
04:05:47pagefaultproblem is that you can brick those easily if you do something wrong
04:05:55Paul_The_NerdIt'd be an interesting challenge. :-P
04:06:06pagefaultyou burn the firmware to a cd
04:06:12pagefaultthen it flashes itself
04:06:19pagefaultnot sure how foolproof it is
04:07:31pagefaultalthough I did almost brick my brother's slimx
04:07:35pagefaultgot all crap on the LCD
04:07:45pagefaultbut all I did was power down and it reflashed again somehow
04:07:48pagefaultand it was all good
04:07:52pagefaultso who knows
04:08:16hcscrazy people love to flash
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04:08:31pagefaultfor vorbis support I will risk it
04:08:32pagefaulthehe
04:08:55pagefaultthe instructions were burn at 4x or lower
04:09:03pagefaultand plug into AC
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04:11:04pagefaulthmm the 550 has 16Mb of flashrom
04:11:10pagefaultthat is large enough for rockbox
04:11:30hcsthat's large enough to hold a state fair in
04:11:41pagefaultMb = Mbits
04:11:42pagefault:P
04:11:56pagefaultso 2 MB
04:12:16Paul_The_NerdWhich, without all the fonts or the AAC codec is still enough I think.
04:12:27pagefaulttoo bad I know nothing about how it works
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04:12:38Soap_OutOfTownI was a happy camper when I got my 80col +64kB card for my Apple.
04:13:08Paul_The_NerdIt'd probably be an unnecessarily frustrating effort to get it working on a Slimx
04:13:21pagefaultI remmber they give you a choice of mp3+ogg or mp3+wma
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04:13:29pagefaultbecause there was not enough room for both
04:13:33hcsheh
04:13:34pagefaultaccording to them
04:13:38pagefaultso it's not a hard choice
04:13:57hcsyeah, who wants wma
04:14:18pagefaultthen it's like 256kbps max vorbis or something
04:14:25scorchea number of people on the forums...
04:14:27pagefaultwhich is more than enough for most files
04:14:57hcsmeh, give me a synthesized format any day and I'll be happy
04:15:04pagefaultto be honest all my vorbis are 128kbps
04:15:08pagefaultand they sound fine
04:15:19hcsI'm tweaking the NES APU for speed/quality tradeoff at the moment
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04:16:35pagefaultyeah thats always fun
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04:16:43pagefaultyou are going to run into some problem games
04:17:09hcsthere are some that run full speed with full synthesis
04:17:24hcsMetal Gear, some of Castlevania
04:17:34pagefaultI just mean some are extremely sensitive
04:17:44Paul_The_NerdMmm.... Castlevania
04:18:05pagefaulti've had to throw some of the SPC accurcy out the window as well
04:18:15pagefaultopcode counter rather than cycle counter
04:18:22pagefaultmuch faster but far less accurate
04:18:32hcsmy test nsf at the moment is Zelda, it has high pitches on both triangle and square, and I haven't started on figuring out noise just yet
04:19:11pagefaultif I could figure out how to use the second core on my player I could do full accuracy
04:19:14hcsI threw out the cycle counter altogether and it didn't help much, the CPU emulator is only about 5-10%
04:19:16pagefaultand just do the DSP work on one
04:19:21pagefaultand the SPC work on the other
04:19:23pagefaultand be fine
04:19:49hcsthe problem here is that I don't know too much about signal theory
04:20:13Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: Yeah, but what about single-core targets.
04:20:24pagefaultPaul_The_Nerd, hopefully they are fast enough to handle both
04:20:31pagefaultwhat is the slowest one going
04:20:40Paul_The_NerdThe SH1 targets don't count. :-P
04:20:43Paul_The_NerdSo, 124mhz
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04:21:05Paul_The_NerdBut really, if you had a whole 75mhz ARM7 core without the overhead of the rest of Rockbox, I bet it'd be fast enough too
04:21:30pagefaulti'm getting lots of funny results using different versions of gcc
04:21:36pagefaultsome give me great fast code
04:21:38pagefaultsome give me awful code
04:22:14pagefaultbut I see the recommended compiler is still gcc 3.6
04:22:21Paul_The_NerdNo...
04:22:24Paul_The_NerdFor ARM it's not.
04:22:27pagefaultoh really?
04:22:35Paul_The_NerdIt's either 4.0 or 4.1
04:22:48pagefaulti'm using CVS right now :X
04:23:13pagefaulti'm going to install 4.1 and see what happens
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04:24:17pagefaultI will have some kind of patch in 2-3 weeks I think
04:24:23pagefault2-3 weeks estimate
04:24:34hcsI, on the other hand, have no pride, so my crap is up now.
04:24:44pagefaultjust going to hell trying to get this happy on all your targets
04:25:00pagefaultI have a H10 and an ipod mini to test with
04:25:11pagefaultboth pretty much the same I think
04:25:50pagefaulti'll have to steal my friend's x-audio
04:25:56pagefaultiaudio rather
04:26:27bawb2they are quite fun
04:26:32scorchepagefault: we dont estimate dates here ;)
04:26:43pagefaultwell I am just giving a rough idea
04:26:48scorcheeven that!
04:26:54pagefaultit's done when it's done I guess
04:26:59scorchebingo!
04:27:13Paul_The_NerdWell I mean, as long as you aren't doing code that's relying on endianness (or wrap in the appropriate macros so you know that it's changed to what you expect it to be) and for any ASM bits you have appropriate C alternates, it should work on any target, right?
04:27:29pagefaultno my code is endian happy
04:27:31pagefaultit doesn't care
04:27:56pagefaultit should compile on any CPU
04:28:40Paul_The_NerdAlso, you really only need to get it working on the CPUs you can test with, so long as it compiles and "theoretically should run" on the other CPUs, people will often pick it up and try to get it working for the other ones.
04:28:54Paul_The_NerdOf course, if you do it, that increases the odds greatly that it'll get done ;)
04:29:01pagefaultwell I will try for ARM first obviously
04:29:06pagefaultsince that is what I have easy access to
04:29:43pagefaultit's just 70mhz barrier that is the problem
04:29:46pagefaulthehe
04:30:20Paul_The_NerdIs your code telling the CPU to boost properly?
04:30:32Paul_The_NerdOr wait, that's handled by the buffering.
04:30:48pagefaultwell as far as I understood from the code and the forums the H10 does no CPU scaling
04:30:48pagefaultso it is always max
04:30:49Paul_The_NerdAh
04:31:04pagefaultit's just unlocking that second core
04:31:09pagefaultyou say doom uses it?
04:31:16Paul_The_NerdNo.
04:31:29pagefaultanything does?
04:31:32Paul_The_NerdNo.
04:31:39pagefaultoh nice
04:31:39pagefaulthmm
04:31:45Paul_The_NerdThe plan is to have the second core be used in a very specific way
04:31:51Paul_The_NerdIt would probably be a bad idea to try to implement using it within the codec.
04:32:03pagefaulthow about can it be used in a desperate I need more power way too?
04:32:18Paul_The_NerdIt would probably be a bad idea to try to implement using it within the codec.
04:32:31pagefaultI get you
04:32:43pagefaultI will do my best, like I said I can have realtime right now
04:32:49Paul_The_NerdIf you did that, odds are your codec would start conflicting with the dual-core architecture once it's done and working
04:32:51pagefaultbut I have to shut off al ot of stuff
04:33:12Paul_The_NerdWell, pretend like you have about 30% more processor power available to you than you do right now
04:33:22pagefaulti'm prepared to rewrite some stuff in assembly if I have to
04:34:19pagefaultit's mainly the S-DSP's gaussian interpolation that really sucks the power out of it
04:34:20Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: If you're interested in Coprocessor work being done so far, it's here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5755
04:34:33pagefaultwithout it, realtime is not an issue
04:34:37pagefaultbut your SPC's will sound like a tin can
04:34:41pagefaultand some will not sound right at all
04:35:24pagefaultin zsnes we used this wonderful thing called MMX to speed it up
04:35:24Paul_The_NerdDo you make use of IRAM at all?
04:35:26hcsman, I wish I had a tin can that sounds like an SPC
04:35:28pagefaultbut I don't have that :?
04:35:30pagefault:/
04:36:07pagefaultIRAM?
04:37:14pagefaultyou mean internal to the CPU
04:37:24pagefaultI am familiar with it, SA-1 on the SNES has it
04:37:35pagefaultI did not know coldfire contained any
04:37:44Paul_The_NerdWe make use of it in some of the codecs, and it's resulted in fairly dramatic speedups
04:37:54Paul_The_NerdThough I don't really know how they make use of it. :)
04:40:16pagefaultinteresting
04:40:27pagefaultso you are planning to at least move things like the EQ to the second core
04:40:43hcshmm, I have two loops which could use a fairly dramatic speedup...
04:41:15pagefaultI mean the more you can offload on the one core
04:41:20pagefaultthe more speed I will have for codecs
04:41:24pagefaultI get what you are coming from now
04:41:47Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: The plan is to have the audio thread be moved to the second core, and possibly DSP effects, with the UI and everything else on the first. Of course, with balancing if that doesn't fit well.
04:42:10pagefaultit would be ideal if possible to have an entire core just for codecs
04:42:15pagefaultbut I doubt that would be realistic
04:42:19Paul_The_NerdWhy not?
04:42:47pagefaultwell... ok nevermind
04:42:53pagefaultlike I said I don't know the code that well
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04:43:06Paul_The_NerdThat isn't *exactly* the plan, but it's something close to that
04:43:16pagefaultsomething that would free up more anyway
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04:44:08pagefaultI see
04:44:23pagefaultso I am just to continue doing what I am doing
04:44:30pagefaultand expect 30% or something like that later on
04:44:34pagefaultpretty much
04:44:57pagefaultif thats the case that could work
04:45:29Paul_The_NerdWell as I said, good IRAM usage can also dramatically speed things up, but I'm really not sure how that applies
04:45:48pagefaultwell it depends, I need to look into how much IRAM there is
04:45:59pagefaultif there is 64kb at least I can do dramatic speedups
04:46:06Paul_The_NerdI think that's exactly how much there is.
04:46:18Paul_The_NerdWell, 64 on coldfire, 96 on ARM, if my memory serves (which it may not)
04:46:27Paul_The_NerdAgain, not really my area, and my memory is far from perfect.
04:46:32pagefaultunder 64 but around that
04:46:47pagefaultI am always reading from SPC memory which is slow as hell
04:46:51pagefaultso if I can put that in IRAM
04:46:52pagefaulthmm
04:46:55pagefaultideas.....
04:47:22pagefaultor if I can fit the guassian table in there
04:47:22pagefaultoh wow
04:47:27pagefaultthat would speed it up like a lot
04:47:47pagefaultif it works the same way I think it works
04:48:19pagefaultit's addressable like any other memory?
04:49:01hcsyay, there we go, made it through the Zelda ending theme without skipping and not sounding too terrible
04:49:03Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: I really don't know. Search the changelog for "IRAM" and you can see how it's used in the diffs.
04:49:08pagefaultok
04:49:17pagefaultwell if I can put the lookup table in there
04:49:22pagefaultI have solved my speed problem
04:49:27Paul_The_NerdHehehe
04:50:12Paul_The_NerdGood luck
04:50:23Paul_The_NerdIf I ever have SPC and NSF support, my earphones will probably never leave my ears.
04:50:41pagefaultwell the SPC lib I am using is the closest thing we have to the real thing right now
04:50:42hcswhew, and Ys *barely* makes it
04:50:47pagefaultyou would be hard pressed to find a difference
04:51:26pagefaultit's going to be included with gstreamer eventually
04:51:31pagefaultbut the author gave me the code ahead of time
04:51:35pagefaultso I could do this rockbox thing
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04:53:10pagefaultdon't even ask how he got the info for it
04:53:15pagefaultheh
04:53:23pagefaultit just sounds very nice
04:53:37Paul_The_NerdHehehe
04:53:43pagefaultjust don't piss off your employee's at sony
04:53:50pagefaultor they might walk off with technical documents
04:55:33pagefaultthen uh somehow it got "leaked" to the net
04:55:39pagefaultif you know what I mean
04:55:52Paul_The_NerdI honestly kinda wish Sony would just hurry up with the whole "dying" thing
04:55:55pagefaultfull schematics for the original SPC700 sound processor
04:56:44pagefaultpeople send me lots of interesting things
04:57:01pagefaulta guy who used to work at argonaut the guys who made the superfx chip
04:57:12pagefaulthe sent me a ton of stuff that was going to be thrown out
04:57:59pagefaultthen a guy at nintendo of europe was asked to destroy all SNES stuff one day and came across the starfox 2 beta
04:58:09pagefaultand sent it to us
04:58:26*scorche perks up
04:58:56pagefaultso I have the full source for that game now with comments
04:59:07pagefaultit's already compiled and stuff and you can get it from various sites on the net
04:59:24hcsah, cool, didn't know it came from leaked source
04:59:36pagefaultyep
04:59:42pagefaultI have nintendo's boot code
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04:59:45pagefaultthey used in every rom
04:59:48pagefaultit's fun stuff
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05:00:22pagefaultit just sucks I need an amiga emulator to compile it
05:00:33pagefaultall the tools are amiga based
05:01:11pagefaultbut I am off topic
05:01:22scorchestill...out of all my consoles, i love my snes the best
05:01:42pagefaultit is a nice console
05:01:50pagefaultI will be glad when we finally get our new release out
05:02:04pagefaultit will answer to all the criticism we have been getting lately
05:02:20scorcheindeed...i remember going to toys r us and getting another cartridge all the time
05:02:43pagefault"your not accurate enough, your sound isn't right, etc"
05:02:47pagefaultwe basically rewrote most of it
05:02:55pagefaultand did it right this time
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05:03:59pagefaultthe library I am using for SPC in rockbox is bit perfect
05:04:04pagefaultso it should be flawless
05:04:12pagefaultthats why I am trying so hard to get it to work
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05:28:59scorchePaul_The_Nerd: was i too harsh on him?
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05:29:58Paul_The_NerdNot really, no.
05:30:03scorchealright
05:30:31scorchethis habit of posting information in the forum instead of the wiki is starting to get to me...
05:30:50pagefaultyeah I should like read the forum
05:30:53pagefaultit probably has useful info
05:31:18Paul_The_NerdI wouldn't necessarily bet on that
05:31:29pagefaultis it more whining than infos
05:31:34scorcheforums are good for asking questions
05:31:46scorchenot a repository of information
05:31:51pagefaultah
05:32:00Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: Actually, our forums are pretty organized, overall (compared to many others) but it's mostly a support venue.
05:32:06scorcheunless it is a "i have this problem:" information
05:32:22Paul_The_NerdWe try to strongly encourage that information be gathered in the Wiki, rather than the forums.
05:32:23pagefaultoh hey I finally figured out how to display spc files as a supported file type
05:32:36hcsheh
05:32:37pagefaultno more renaming to sid
05:32:39Paul_The_NerdThough for the "New Ports" there is a lot of information, but that's sorta a side topic.
05:33:01hcsdid you ever look at the codec adding thing? was it not helpful?
05:33:07pagefaultyeah
05:33:09pagefaultsort of
05:33:13pagefaultit needs more work :P
05:33:30hcsmm
05:33:39pagefaultunless you have since updated it
05:33:41hcsnope
05:34:12hcsput that up immediately after 1 spent the first hour finding what files needed changing for the ADX decoder, haven't touched it since
05:34:23scorchePaul_The_Nerd: can you make experts able to post in locked topics?
05:34:25hcsinteresting, 1 instead of I
05:34:45scorchei am not a fan of unlocking, posting, and locking =)
05:35:25scorchethen again, it isnt like that needs to happen often..
05:36:42Paul_The_Nerdscorche: That's not actually a power I can grant.
05:36:56scorcheoh?...thought it would be...
05:37:00Paul_The_NerdI thought so too
05:37:18scorchejust an innate ability of admins?
05:37:31Paul_The_NerdOh, wait, found it.
05:37:46Paul_The_NerdThere's a power called "Moderate Board" which is actually a compilation of small powers, including "Reply to Locked Topics"
05:37:54scorcheah
05:38:16hcsnew NSF patch up, and I'm off to sleep, good night
05:38:33pagefaultcool
05:38:36pagefaulti'll patch up and tr it
05:38:39pagefaulttry
05:38:50Paul_The_Nerdscorche: They were sneaky about that one.
05:38:55scorchehehe
05:38:59Paul_The_NerdI was just looking for the words "lock" and/or "locked"
05:39:13pagefaultmario bros will put me to sleep
05:39:28scorcheand as a side note, it looks like you should be getting a moderate sum of money back
05:39:59Paul_The_NerdWhat, the precut thing?
05:40:03scorchehehe...yeah
05:40:10pagefaultsum of money is good
05:40:20Paul_The_NerdI was pretty sure about it not being the frequency range.
05:40:24pagefaultany sum of money is good
05:40:26scorchepagefault: such a shame he only placed e-money donw on it
05:40:39scorcheand not the good paypal type
05:40:40pagefaulte-money can I use that at e-bay
05:40:56scorchethat would be the good paypal type =(
05:40:56pagefaultoh
05:40:59pagefaultdoh
05:41:23pagefaultI know paypal sucks for comission
05:41:25pagefaultbut it is still better
05:41:53Paul_The_NerdPaypal gave ScummVM the shaft.
05:41:57pagefaultcommission
05:42:00pagefaultyeah
05:42:08pagefaultthey have like a hmm let see
05:42:12pagefault2.25% commission rate
05:42:14pagefaultor something
05:42:17scorchehurrah!...i have a reply button in locked threads now =)
05:42:18scorchethanks
05:42:24pagefaultwhat did they do to scummvm
05:42:24Paul_The_NerdNo problem
05:42:44Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: They arbitrarily declared that it it wasn't allowed by their terms of Acceptable Use
05:42:51pagefaultuh wtf?
05:42:55Paul_The_NerdBecause it allows the running of software on hardware it was not written/intended for.
05:43:06Paul_The_NerdWhich actually isn't true.
05:43:09pagefaultI wonder why we haven't been shut down then
05:43:13pagefaultzsnes uses paypal too
05:43:14pagefaulthaha
05:43:17Paul_The_NerdSince ScummVM isn't an emulator in any way, it's a scripting language interpreter.
05:43:20scorcheheh...i think that that is the first time i can recall someone saying "youre welcome" or something like that in this forum besides "np"
05:43:38pagefaultbut we do it through sourceforge
05:43:43pagefaultso maybe thats how we get away with it
05:43:53Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: ScummVM had a small issue recently where someone was illegally selling their software on a DVD full of SCUMM games they were pirating
05:44:06Paul_The_NerdWhen the illegal seller got taken down, his domain was rerouted to point to scummvm.org
05:44:17Paul_The_NerdVery shortly after that, paypal cut off service to ScummVM
05:44:21pagefaultstupid
05:44:24pagefaultthat happens like daily to us
05:44:33pagefaultzsnes + all roms for $5 on ebay
05:45:02Paul_The_NerdThe suspicion is that PayPal got word of "illegal activities" followed the link to the site, ended up at the scummvm homepage, didn't investigate further after seeing the paypal link, and withdrew service.
05:45:09pagefault:(
05:45:12Paul_The_NerdThey're calling ScummVM a... what was it... "software modulator"
05:45:18pagefaultI bet lucasarts had something to do with it
05:45:31Paul_The_NerdActually, supposedly ScummVM is in the middle of working out a license with Lucasarts
05:45:40pagefaultnintendo leaves us alone
05:45:40Paul_The_NerdSo, they're kinda on favorable terms with 'em at the moment.
05:45:44pagefaultor they don't care
05:45:47pagefaultor they don't speak english
05:45:50Paul_The_NerdHahaha
05:45:52pagefaultor because we don't post any e-mails
05:45:57scorchewell, they did retire the snes a bit ago..
05:46:01pagefaultwe never have had any letter in the 6 years we have been doing this
05:46:03Paul_The_NerdMan, techincally Rockbox falls outside the terms of acceptable use.
05:46:06pagefaultbut snes9x gets shit daily
05:46:25Paul_The_NerdSince Doom wasn't intended for use on the iPod (though it is GPLed) and we have a gameboy emulator.
05:46:44pagefaultsince all of our devs are canadian what we are doing isn't against the law here
05:46:52pagefaultso they couldn't do anything if they wanted to
05:46:55pagefaultwe don't distribute roms
05:47:33pagefaultwe did get some DMCA notice once
05:47:37pagefaultI just replied "I live in canada"
05:47:42pagefaultand never heard from them again
05:48:34pagefaultI love that all lawfirms assume everyone is based in the US
05:49:43pagefaulthave you guys ever got any nasty e-mails from apple about what you do to their pretty ipods
05:49:43pagefault?
05:50:00scorchenot apple, but other people
05:50:06scorchetetris, etc
05:50:11pagefaulthaha
05:50:16pagefaultthat guy....
05:50:29pagefaultthe patent expired if there ever was one
05:50:54Paul_The_NerdCopyright though
05:51:03Paul_The_NerdApparently the name "Tetrox" was too similar
05:51:12Paul_The_NerdSo we changed it to... was it Rockblox?
05:51:17Paul_The_NerdSame thing happened with Bejeweled
05:51:23pagefaultBegemed
05:51:28Paul_The_NerdJewels
05:51:30scorcheand rockbox-lounge (a german support forum) got a letter from some other people with the name rockbox, but we havent gotten anything about that
05:51:34scorcheyes
05:52:13pagefaultcopyrights are so silly sometimes
05:52:21scorcheindeed
05:52:34scorchecopyright law even more so
05:54:50pagefaultyay $5 headphones
05:54:56pagefaultmy nice bose triport are busted
05:55:00pagefault:/
05:55:28*scorche needs to get some decent 'phones
05:55:37pagefaultgo with cans
05:55:38*Paul_The_Nerd wouldn't suggest Bose Triports
05:55:48scorcheoverpriced imo
05:55:59scorchei have seen some nice cheap senns
05:56:01Paul_The_NerdQuite bass-heavy too, every time I've tried 'em
05:56:05scorchesehn...whatever
05:56:09pagefaultI got them for $100 on open box deal
05:56:12pagefaultI like them
05:56:17pagefaultbut everyone has their own tastes
05:57:01scorchei use some cheap 30$ sony ones that clip on to your ear
05:57:12pagefaultbut thats what I say an EQ is for
05:57:17pagefaultso you can adjust for your phones
05:57:32scorchethey say something about trance on them...they are decent though
05:57:44pagefaultyeah those are decent
05:57:45*scorche wished he knew how to properly use an EQ
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05:57:53pagefaultI hate earbuds though
05:57:55pagefaultthey always fall out
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05:58:05scorchethey arent buds
05:58:10pagefaultI know...
05:58:12scorchebut most buds are uncomfortable anyway
05:58:14pagefaultbut I am just saying
05:58:19pagefaultI have had the clip ones
05:58:27scorchemine?
05:58:31pagefaultthey are like buds but clip on and don't kill your eardrums
05:58:32pagefaultyeah yours
05:58:37scorcheyup...devent
05:58:39scorchec
05:59:00pagefaulttook me a while to figure out how to put them on first time
05:59:02pagefaulthehe
05:59:05scorchecept the shiny plastic braided or whatever cord bugs me
05:59:24pagefaultyeah
05:59:26scorcheand that they are *just* short enough to have to use the extension
05:59:39pagefaultyou loose volume when you use extensions
05:59:41pagefaultwhich sucks
05:59:47pagefaultbut with those it shouldn't matter much
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06:00:01scorcheanother 8 inches or so, and i would love it
06:00:11scorchebut instead i ahve to use that 3 foot extension
06:00:15scorchepfft!
06:00:22pagefaultif I was rich I would get those custom ones they fit to your ear
06:00:42scorchebut we arent =(
06:00:47pagefaultyeah
06:01:06pagefaultmy new pc burned down
06:01:12scorcheoof
06:01:16scorchewarranty?
06:01:17pagefaultbut the insurance picked it up
06:01:20pagefaultso I am safe
06:01:24scorcheah
06:01:30pagefaultbut it still sucked
06:01:35pagefaultit was a nice intel core 2
06:01:37pagefaultbrand new
06:02:04pagefaultso now I am on this wonderful celeron for the time being
06:02:11scorchei upgraded just before the intel core 2s....opteron 175, so i am not that pissed...but i am still pissed =)
06:02:24scorcheand especially now that those chips have halfed in price
06:02:33pagefaultwell after I saw the conroe benches
06:02:40pagefaultI was like.. ok I am going to wait a few months
06:03:15pagefaultit's fast and all but AMD still makes better servers
06:03:24scorcheof course
06:03:49pagefaultwhat I don't understand is my cpu is unlocked
06:03:51pagefaultno multiplier lock
06:03:57pagefaultso I can do like anything
06:04:06scorchenext upgrade i will probably get a dual socket board and chips to go with it
06:04:33pagefaultI had it running at 2.9ghz until the powersupply screwed up
06:04:42pagefaultit wasn't the o/c that did it
06:04:51pagefaultsome storm and it shorted out
06:05:12scorchereminds me of iriver saying rockbox is at fault..heh
06:05:24*scorche looks up
06:05:27pagefaultat fault for what
06:05:28pagefaulthaha
06:05:34Paul_The_Nerd Rockbox is at fault for everything, if it's installed
06:05:35scorcheholy spam...lets take this to pm =)
06:05:39pagefaulthaha
06:05:41pagefaultjust format
06:05:50pagefaultand run their stupid util
06:05:53pagefaultand it's back to stock
06:05:57Paul_The_NerdNot on iRiver
06:06:01scorcheirivers die
06:06:02Paul_The_NerdWe have to install the bootloader in flash
06:06:16Paul_The_NerdIf the HD fails, you can't get it to boot to put a clean Flash image in
06:06:29pagefaultoh
06:06:37pagefaultwell if my HD was going to fail
06:06:40pagefaultit would have already
06:06:45pagefaultyou know how many times i've dropped this thing
06:07:19pagefaultI am amazed it still works
06:07:28pagefaultit fell down a flight of stairs
06:07:31pagefaultI was sure it was toast
06:07:34pagefaultbut no, it boots and it's good
06:08:29pagefaulthow would rockbox kill it anywya
06:08:44Paul_The_NerdIt really wouldn't.
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06:08:56scorchebut it is a good scapegoat
06:09:00pagefaultiriver kills it by crippling it with such bad firmware
06:09:01pagefaultimo
06:09:04Paul_The_NerdIt gets iRiver out of their warranty obligations
06:09:25pagefaultno vorbis on h10 like what?
06:09:30pagefaultno reason for that
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06:10:04nepomukHey! I just installed rockbox on my 20 gig H10. Love it, love it, love it.
06:10:14pagefaultyeah it makes it useful doesn't it
06:10:31Paul_The_Nerdpagefault: Well, maybe they couldn't get it realtime. At the time the H10 came out, Vorbis wasn't doing so great on embedded platforms
06:10:55pagefaultPaul_The_Nerd, I don't think their firmware guys are the greatest anyway
06:11:00pagefaultthey have short attention span
06:11:04pagefaultthey forget about products
06:11:37nepomuktwo quick questions, though: 1) the brief hiccups in the music I get when playing the games−− are those normal? will they be eventually ironed out? are they related to the similar-sounding hiccups I get when I try to use any of the preinstalled WPSs? I was warned that those would cause the H10 to blarf, so I installed Green BoeselGlass.
06:11:59nepomukwhich leads me to 2): is there any way I can change the font from white to black? I love everything else about the theme.
06:12:04pagefaultnepomuk, it's a common issue
06:12:13Paul_The_Nerdnepomuk: Those are basically caused by the processor not being fast enough to do everything at once.
06:12:14nepomukyeah, I figured.
06:12:22pagefaultit is being worked on
06:12:24nepomukmakes sense. not a problem; just curious.
06:12:29Paul_The_Nerdnepomuk: Once dual core support is in, games + music should be fine
06:12:34nepomukslick.
06:12:39Paul_The_Nerdnepomuk: There is a way to change font color, can't remember where it is though
06:12:41pagefaultand keep the peak meter off
06:12:43pagefaultand you will be ok
06:12:50nepomukyeah, I remember reading about that. will do, thanks.
06:14:03pagefaultit's under display settings I believe
06:14:13pagefaultpush power
06:14:38pagefaultor not
06:14:43nepomukah-ha
06:14:49pagefaultit's somewhere in there I thinkl
06:14:55pagefaultgeneral settings
06:14:56pagefaultdisplay
06:15:00pagefaultand then you can choose your font
06:15:25nepomukafk brb
06:15:49pagefaultholding power will shut it off
06:15:52pagefaultas it always has
06:17:18pagefaultI always wonder
06:17:23pagefaultif I buy a bigger microdrive
06:17:29pagefaultwill the h10 pick it up
06:17:38pagefaultor will I have to do some firmware hackery
06:18:57Paul_The_NerdIt should work just fine, I'd imagine
06:19:15pagefaulthmm
06:19:30pagefaultjust wondering if I could get a h10 20gb with UMS :P
06:19:30Paul_The_NerdAt least, that's the case on the other iRivers.
06:19:37Paul_The_NerdIt's possible they've engineered something to prevent that.
06:19:43pagefaultyeah
06:20:06pagefaultoh well
06:20:43pagefaultI miss having the optical out on this thing
06:20:45pagefaultit's there
06:20:48pagefaultbut I have to get the dock
06:20:53pagefaultor do some soldering
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06:25:48pagefaultfunny I am going to have to boot back into XP to burn RC2 to DVD
06:25:53pagefaultsince burning is broken in RC1
06:26:38nepomukb
06:27:49nepomukwill any rockbox font work on my H10?
06:27:57nepomuk(e.g. from rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ )
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08:27:01amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: There is at least some code reuse between ipl and rockbox on the app level
08:27:24amiconncoob ported the cube plugin :)
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08:32:05Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Right, well I was hugely generalizing while being inaccurate. ;)
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08:35:12YouCeyEhi.. what is the current status on h10 20gb model? if i may ask..
08:35:48YouCeyElast time i heard some battery issues abt the rockbox build
08:39:36Paul_The_NerdThe battery life is shorter than the retail firmware, yes.
08:39:49Paul_The_NerdIt's likely to be this way for quite a while, until better knowledge of the portalplayer chipset is achieved.
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09:28:59linuxstb_Morning all. I'm moving the usb logo to an external .bmp file, and was wondering if I should keep it as a mono bitmap (i.e. displayed with lcd_mono_bitmap using current fg/bg colours), or change it to being a native bitmap...
09:29:19*Paul_The_Nerd votes native.
09:29:44*scorche seconds
09:29:57Paul_The_NerdFor one thing, you'll never lose it in the backdrop.
09:30:10Paul_The_NerdAssuming you don't insert transparent pink into it
09:30:39linuxstb_A full-screen native bitmap takes up about 150KB on a 5g...
09:30:41LinusNi'd love a nicer usb icon on the more capable targets
09:31:06Coldtoasthey. so does rb run on the 2g Nano?
09:31:13LinusNno
09:31:21linuxstb_Coldtoast: No - the 2g Nano is a completely different player in terms of hardware.
09:31:21Coldtoastcool
09:31:27Coldtoastok. good
09:31:33linuxstb_Good?
09:31:42Coldtoastgiveds me another reason to be happy I have a 1g
09:31:51Coldtoastcos I only bough tit 2 weeks befor ethe new ones came out
09:31:57Paul_The_NerdHehehe
09:32:13Coldtoastmy 4GB was only bloody $20 cheaper than the new 8GB
09:32:21Coldtoast8GB would have been PERFECT for me
09:33:33Coldtoasttho I much prefer the look of the 1g
09:33:49Paul_The_NerdI think the 2G looks pretty sleek
09:34:00ColdtoastI like the 1g more tho
09:34:03Paul_The_NerdBut then I have this thing for gadgets that actually have real, exposed metal.
09:34:21Coldtoastdid you see the results of the torture test?
09:34:22Quazgaaanyone ever try putting a bigger drive in a x5
09:34:29ColdtoastI think it was engadget who did it
09:34:52Coldtoastthe 1g Nano took 6 drops to damage adn the one that did it was from 9ft
09:35:08Coldtoastthey did the same test with the new 2g. First drop, from 1.5ft, killed teh screen
09:35:21Coldtoasthope they're not ALL that fragile
09:36:04Coldtoastthe guy ran with it and it dropped, hit the end of the earphones and disconnected. hence the 1.5ft
09:36:42Coldtoastalso, I hear file transfers are horribly slow on the new ones
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10:04:39theli_ualinuxstb_, why do we need another 150 kb in cvs for logo that is just seen for a second?
10:06:39LinusNtheli_ua: i don't know how fast your USB transfers are, but my player is often connected for several minutes.
10:07:26theli_uaLinusN, isn't screen output from ipods when connected in USB mode come from apple's firmware?
10:07:44LinusNrockbox runs on many other platforms
10:07:59LinusNthe usb mode in ipod is a workaround
10:08:11theli_uayeah .. i know that on some ( archoses for example ) this does make sense ... but for others ...
10:08:29LinusNipod is the only platform that doesn't show the logo
10:09:05theli_uahm ... i thought that ipods isn't the only target without rockbox's usb mode :/
10:09:09LinusNand it will also show a logo once we work out how to handle the usb mode properly
10:09:33theli_uawell, ok ... nevermind then :)
10:09:38LinusN:-)
10:09:55*theli_ua has a birthday today :D
10:10:01LinusNwell, this applies to all portalplayer platforms
10:10:08LinusNtheli_ua: congratulations!
10:10:22theli_uathanx
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10:13:02theli_uatoday is the day when i can count most of the forums i have registered on :)
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10:55:04Dma-Scsorry for the multiple hi before, webclient is not the proper way to irc ;)
10:55:52LinusN:-)
10:56:08Dma-Scabout the H10 5gb problem, should i register a bug for it?
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11:06:34linuxstb_Anyone (amiconn?) have any suggestions about how to deal with the H300 warnings? The main problem is that the bitmap types (fb_data and fb_remote_data) are different for the main screen and remote - so the prototypes for lcd_bitmap and lcd_remote_bitmap are different, which breaks the "screens" system, and also breaks the concept of having an array of logo bitmaps, one per screen...
11:06:58TyroneMaskellhello all
11:07:16TyroneMaskelli wanted to ask what formats does rock box support
11:07:35linuxstb_http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs (see the table at the bottom)
11:08:08TyroneMaskellcause mine does not support wma
11:08:29linuxstb_No, Rockbox doesn't have WMA support.
11:08:53amiconnLinusN (and others): One of the last changes (within a week or so) broke archos player :-(
11:09:14amiconnRockbox starts, but if I try to resume I get an immediate "stkov scroll"
11:10:04TyroneMaskellguess i must just convert all that wma shit to mp3
11:10:58LinusNamiconn: wonderful
11:11:12linuxstb_TyroneMaskell: Rockbox will probably support WMA in the future, so keep your original WMA files, but yes, your only option at the moment is to convert (or preferably re-rip from the source CDs).
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11:11:46TyroneMaskellwhat is the best format out there these days
11:11:47amiconnThe strange thing is - why "stkov scroll"?
11:12:23LinusNamiconn: buffer overflow?
11:12:31LinusNinto the scroll stack
11:12:36TyroneMaskellanother thing with my iriver firmware i could shuffle my whole data base can rockbox do that
11:12:51LinusNyes
11:13:00daurn|afkhey all
11:13:40amiconnlinuxstb_: That's not the only problem in the screen code. The fact that X5 doesn't throw a warning is pure luck (fb_remote_data being 16bit as well for the 4-grey remote lcd because of the interleaved format)
11:13:44TyroneMaskellhow ?
11:14:25TyroneMaskellbest audio format out there ??
11:14:51amiconnBut there's another problem on the X5: gui_syncsplash() uses a dark grey background on the remote where it should use a light grey one
11:15:45amiconnThis is because the gui code uses LCD_LIGHTGRAY for both screens while it should use LCD_REMOTE_LIGHTGRAY for the remote
11:15:59LinusNTyroneMaskell: create a playlist of the entire collection and play it shuffled
11:16:19amiconnTyroneMaskell: There is no 'best
11:16:20TyroneMaskelllol cool
11:16:30amiconn' format, it all depends on your requirements
11:16:40TyroneMaskelli sometimes dont use my head hehehe
11:16:40TyroneMaskellcool
11:16:45LinusNTyroneMaskell: you can create the playlist with rockbox
11:16:48amiconnpreglow: around?
11:17:19TyroneMaskellok but can you hear the diff between lossless and lossy
11:17:46linuxstb_TyroneMaskell: The important question is if _you_ can hear a difference. Do some tests...
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11:20:14TyroneMaskellcool
11:20:40TyroneMaskellbeing very stupid today but its gonna take a while for me to get use to rockbox but its cool
11:20:48*TyroneMaskell likes learning curves
11:20:49LinusNamiconn: does it crash on recv1?
11:20:53TyroneMaskellhaahahaha
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11:21:21TyroneMaskellok another dumb question how do i create a playlist
11:21:48*LinusN whispers....maaaaaanual......
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11:24:03*Rick whispers....LinusN is the FAQ >:D
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11:24:36LinusN:-)
11:25:27*petur read that as Maaanuel
11:25:28TyroneMaskellyou guys work better thana manual
11:25:30TyroneMaskellhehehe
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11:26:15petur:)
11:27:12*TyroneMaskell sends free cold beers round to all the helpers
11:27:19webguest20Hey, what would you think about a font view plugin (or font viewer)? With it you could view a font without switching RB to it. Or is switching to the font in question (to view it) and then back is simple enough?
11:27:27*petur wonders what kind of beer
11:28:15webguest20If you find it's a good idea I could try to implement such plugin/viewer.
11:28:18TyroneMaskellanything you like :)
11:28:37TyroneMaskellplaylist ?????? help pls
11:29:16peturTyroneMaskell: just access the context menu in the browser
11:29:18TyroneMaskellhow do i
11:29:26peturwhat player?
11:29:58Genre9mp3petur: You really want that beer... :P
11:30:24peturI'll get free beer this afternoon at the company anyway :)
11:32:46daurn|afkany1 here an aussie
11:32:59TyroneMaskelliriver h300
11:33:14peturTyroneMaskell: long-press NAVI
11:33:15TyroneMaskellme too hehehehe company pub gotta lovethem
11:33:34jhMikeSLinusN: Will WSI be getting a clock even if there's no transfer taking place?
11:34:11TyroneMaskelli love my iriver
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11:35:57webguest20Anyone? (font viewer) Or is nobody interested in it? Then I'll leave it alone.
11:36:17peturwebguest20: no, sounds like a nice thing to have
11:37:26Genre9mp3You can also use the sims for that
11:37:47*jhMikeS might be bumped up on the "asks stupid questions list"?
11:38:27webguest20petur: nice but not necessary, right ;-)
11:38:33TyroneMaskellit still says no playlist
11:38:56peturwebguest20: that's why it's a plugin :p
11:39:00barrywardellDma-Sc: yes, please file a bug report and I will take a look at it when I can find the time
11:40:58Genre9mp3webguest20: Oh...you mean a font-viewer on player... I see...
11:41:12jhMikeSI'm planting a little seed for full-duplex audio in the update to the last patch so an interesting new breed of plugin will be possible. I think preglow mostly cares about this but there was something in the FAQ about guitar tunes or something.
11:41:15webguest20petur: ok, that might be a programming exercise for me to learn RB a little bit. If a useful thing comes out as a result, even better
11:41:35jhMikeS*guitar tuners
11:41:51TyroneMaskellbrb going for lunch
11:41:58webguest20jhMikeS: train you ears!
11:42:12webguest20*your
11:42:16peturTyroneMaskell: read the manual during lunch
11:42:44TyroneMaskelllol
11:42:44jhMikeSI can tune it to standard pitch without one but we'll be able to have plugins for audio effect and more including that.
11:43:24peturjhMikeS: playback while recording (multi-track recording)
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11:44:23*petur would already be happy with basic stable recording
11:45:09TyroneMaskellbe back just now to bother your asses
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11:46:10peturTyronemaskell-aw: browse to a dir with music in (or a single file), long-press NAVI -> playlist -> insert
11:46:28peturto save it: settings -> playlist options
11:46:45peturyou reach settings via the A-B button
11:47:20peturTyronemaskell-aw: for the rest, please read the manual
11:48:42jhMikeSpetur: It's pretty rugged now...I want the blessing from higher up to commit it. 0:-)
11:49:17peturjhMikeS: found something re missing samples?
11:50:58jhMikeSpetur: were you recording to WAV? That glitch was an oddball size that doesn't match any chunk size. It could have been that something wasn't reset properly after use. I haven't had glitches even with 88.2 WavPack since bumping the pcmrec thread prio when it gets flooded.
11:51:18peturWAV, yes
11:51:55jhMikeSAnd now even if it things get flooded it won't become unstable...it'll just drop data since there's no other choice.
11:52:16peturI consider dropping data 'unstable'
11:53:19jhMikeSIf your shaking the device around and the disk can't spin up you will lose data if writing can't occurr. There's nothing that can be done about that at all.
11:53:19peturor rather, it pisses me off quite a bit if I find out a recording of a great show is screwed
11:53:58peturI've done many recordings in worse conditions... the device was just lying on the stage now, no shaking at all
11:55:30jhMikeSI doubt that should happen again. When boosting the thread prio it flushes very fast and each chunk is reset after use so there's no doubt about its validity.
11:56:33peturgreat. I may find some time to do testing this weekend - is the patch on the tracker or do you think it's good enough for commit?
11:57:02jhMikeSThere's a patch there but I've got an update coming maybe later today I think.
11:57:17peturk
11:58:13jhMikeSIdea: Use two players simultaneously :) You can splice out bad part with the same good part of the other.
11:59:04amiconnLinusN: No idea, and can't test right now
11:59:06*petur slaps jhMikeS a bit with a bad recording
11:59:20LinusNamiconn: i'll see if i can run it with gdb
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11:59:58jhMikeS*ouch* It wasn't much of my code in pcm record! It is now.
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12:00:52peturjhMikeS: don't worry, I'll get over it some day ;)
12:01:07jhMikeS*turning the other cheek*
12:02:47jhMikeSLinusN: If you didn't catch it before: does WSI get a clock even if there's no transfer of audio data from the CPU?
12:03:09Dma-Scbarrywardell : ok
12:03:53LinusNjhMikeS: it should
12:04:04LinusN...i think
12:04:23LinusNhmmmm
12:04:25jhMikeSLinusN: hmmm...
12:04:29LinusNmaybe not
12:05:15jhMikeSI wonder if it even matters
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12:07:52jhMikeSWell...even with no output on IIS1TX recording still procedes just fine with a tlv in slave mode...I don't know if that means "yes"
12:10:07jhMikeSLinusN: There tlv internal filters are wee glitchy for 88.2, not sure why. Is there other info you know of about the order of setting things or timing? I haven't seen anything in the datasheet re: it.
12:10:37LinusNjhMikeS: i have no clue
12:11:34*jhMikeS has to do virtual leg work! >:| Ansers on a silver platter are preffered :)
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12:13:16Kingstonehello all
12:13:34Kingstonei was wondering if there is any progress on the encryption of the nano soso image?
12:14:02Kingstonei'm not sure if it's an hardware encryption or software
12:14:17Kingstonebut if it's software, the key may lie in the firmware itself (aupd image)
12:16:55LinusNjhMikeS: the I2S specification says that SCLK is supposed to be "continuous"
12:19:06jhMikeSIs the spec on the rb site?
12:19:42jhMikeSbut that's very good though for using slave mode and WSPLL
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12:22:14jhMikeSok found it
12:22:28preglowamiconn: now
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12:25:28webguest20Is the AGC feature described in the manual? I've found nothing but maybe I looked at wrong place?
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12:26:38preglowit might not be, it's a fairly recent addition
12:27:48webguest20preglow: ah, ok, I didn't know that (that it's a recent addition)
12:29:21linuxstb_amiconn: The only solution I can think of is to change the lcd_bitmap and lcd_remote_bitmap functions to have the same prototypes - i.e. use void* for the bitmap parameter instead of fb_data* and fb_remote_data* in the lcd_*_bitmap family of functions.
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12:33:16linuxstb_Kingstone: How would the aupd image help? Both the aupd and main firmware images are encrypted. There will probably be an unencrypted version of the aupd image in flash, but the only way to access that would be with some extreme hardware hacking...
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12:33:38preglowextreme and extreme
12:33:44preglowit would require some gear, though
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12:58:22amiconnpreglow: I had a closer look at flac's lpc_decode(), and lpc_decode_emac() (guess why ;) )
12:59:26amiconnFrom what I understand it shoudl (1) be possible to handle up to 16bit samples with the sh1 mac, as coeff_prec <= 15
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13:00:16amiconn(2) Supporting 24bit flac with coldfire emac does _not_ require 2 streaks of mac.l. One streak is sufficient; all that's needed is fetching tthe accext as well
13:01:23amiconnReasoning: (a) coeff_prec <= 15, together with a sample precision of 24 bits this gives 39 bit products. The emac multiplier yields a 40 bit product
13:02:27amiconn(b) the accumulation can therefore yield a maximum of 43 bits (39 bit products, and av_log2(pred_order) <= 4). The emac accumulator is 48 bits
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13:03:34preglowsure enough
13:03:39Kingstonelinuxstb, have you find anything you we could do then?
13:03:44preglowshall we just forget supporting samples above 24 bits, then?
13:03:48preglowi think it's ok to do so...
13:03:50Kingstoneyou mean there is no hope for decryption?
13:04:00Kingstonewe need to find another way?
13:04:22Kingstonehave you got any ideas for how to decrypt it maybe?
13:04:44amiconnpreglow: Iirc the maximum supported sample depth of flac is 24 bits
13:04:59preglowamiconn: if so, everything is good
13:05:38preglowamiconn: i'm just wondering, with the current speed of the flac decoder, if i should just make the general flac asm also support 24 bits
13:06:43amiconnHmm, no
13:06:46amiconn"FLAC supports from 4 to 32 bits per sample. Currently the reference encoder and decoders only support up to 24 bits per sample"
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13:08:49amiconnOtoh, the samplerate field in the frame header only specifies values for 8, 12, 16, 20 and 24 bit samples
13:09:19amiconnhmm, "get from STREAMINFO metadata block"
13:10:47preglowyes, you can also read it straight from the stream
13:10:49preglowsame as with sample rate
13:11:47amiconnAt least, lpc_decode_emac() can be modified to support up to 24 bit samples
13:12:06amiconnIt will be a little bit slower than the 16 bit case
13:12:10preglowand i'll personally fistfight the idiot who uses more than 24 bits in a flac file
13:13:11preglowmyeah, i probably should make new asm routines for it. i'll have to free enough registers that i will probably have to drop unrolling two lpc orders
13:13:48*preglow hates having almost identical code several places :/
13:14:11amiconn(fetch accext0 before the movclr, and the right shift will probably need 5 insns instead of 1
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13:14:43preglowdepends if i should calculate the top shift each time or precalc it in a register
13:14:48preglowi bet the first will be fastest anyway
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13:15:10jhMikeSI still can't read those emac instructions well...probably because I've never tried using it :=\
13:15:21preglowthey're easy to use
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13:16:46jhMikeSIt all looks cryptic at the start...then later it's like "how could it not have been obvious" :)
13:17:24*amiconn has a different problem with emac
13:17:34preglowone of the clevrer things with our coldfire in general
13:17:45preglowyou can't beat a single cycle 64 bit mul
13:18:48amiconnMy emacified lcd_write_yuv420_lines() should be about 22% faster than the version in cvs, but it's almost the same speed
13:18:59jhMikeSHow much speed up does it generally give?
13:19:06amiconn(even a tiny bit slower)
13:19:15jhMikeSamiconn: was just gonna mention that one :)
13:19:26preglowjhMikeS: depends on the code, but compared to the gnu library 32x32->64 mul, it's tons and tons faster
13:19:49amiconnYeah, but emac (alone) isn't 64 bit
13:20:01preglowno, but you very seldom need all bits
13:20:12preglowagain, depends on the code
13:21:20jhMikeSpreglow: I planted a tiny seed for full duplex in the next patch. When I get the commit blessing for I'll make it my next priority to fully implement a plugin interface...probably the complement to what happens in pcm_playback.c. If someone has a better suggestion feel free.
13:23:06*preglow hugs jhMikeS
13:23:22jhMikeSawww
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13:24:03preglowhows the record crashing coming along btw?
13:24:11jhMikeSwhat recording crashing? :)
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13:25:20jhMikeSThe 11kHz stuff on iRiver...I dunno...I hope to have an updated patch up today so someone can test all the sample rates.
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13:27:04jhMikeSNo more master mode and will try using the WSI clock instead of sysclock - might fix things. IIS slave mode on the x5 fixed 88.2.
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13:31:03preglowthinkinh about wavpack crashing
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13:33:50jhMikeSpreglow: added a panic high watermark that boosts the pcmrec thread when flooded and now no more problems with 88.2 stereo at all on my player.
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13:37:59jhMikeSpreglow: You just closed the other FS re: it I see...
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13:38:42preglow?
13:38:48preglowahh, the one the reporter asked me to close
13:39:29jhMikeSI think that problem disappeared after making sure the CPU was boosted.
13:41:15jhMikeSThe codec now also does the chunk in four steps yielding after each so it doesn't hog all the resources doing 5000 samples at a time.
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13:42:46Tyronemaskellim back lalalalalala
13:42:59Tyronemaskellwhat questions can i ask you guys now
13:44:31Tyronemaskellhow do i charge my player with the rockbox on it ?
13:44:37Tyronemaskellheheheh just kidding
13:44:47Tyronemaskelli seee you guys are not in the mood
13:45:01peturTyronemaskell: sorry, your support ticket expired
13:46:08Tyronemaskelllol
13:46:13Tyronemaskelli was out on lunch
13:46:25Tyronemaskellgive me a break
13:46:53peturyou can order a new support ticket through our paypal link :p
13:47:27Tyronemaskellhehhe
13:47:29Tyronemaskellnice
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13:52:37Tyronemaskellsheesh what happened
13:52:43LinusNnet split
13:53:18linuxstb_amiconn: (or anyone...) Any thoughts about my suggestion (see 12:29:21 in current.txt) to change the bitmap parameter to void* in the lcd_*_bitmap functions in order to solve the screens API problem?
13:53:55Tyronemaskellok who split the net ? let me at em
13:55:05LinusNsounds like a solution to me
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13:55:05PaulJambtw. when you are using a backdrop, the usb logo isn't transparent anymore.
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13:55:47theli_uawhat is "screens API problem" ?
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13:56:27Tyronemaskelli think i still got lots to learn about rockbox
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13:57:18linuxstb_The cause of the current warnings - the screens API should let you do things like screen->bitmap(), for either the main screen or remote, but it doesn't work (see the current H300 warnings) if fb_data is a different type to fb_remote_data.
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14:00:04amiconnlinuxstb_: Screen->bittmap is a problem in general
14:00:16jhMikeSAll targets support setting the HW at 44100 I assume...would seem odd if something didn't
14:00:46amiconnThe purpose of the multi-screen api is to make the code independent from the actual screens - but for native bitmaps this isn't possible because of the different formats
14:01:19linuxstb_It can work if called with the appropriate bitmap from an array of bitmaps - that's how the usblogo is implemented.
14:01:22daurnwow
14:01:24jhMikeSlets add dynamic color conversion and headers! :-P
14:01:25daurnbig netsplit
14:01:55amiconndaurn: Big? Nah...
14:02:09daurnfrom my end it is/was ;)
14:02:12amiconnjust about 25 users - I've seen bigger ones
14:02:42amiconnAh, you were on that server...
14:03:13daurnyep
14:03:36Genre9mp3It was about 90 users here...
14:03:55daurnabout 100
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14:04:39amiconnlinuxstb_: Yeah, but how does that solve mentioned problem?
14:05:06Tyronemaskellanyone know of any lan parties
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14:08:51Bleistifthelp!!
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14:09:28Bleistiftmy ajr doesn't start up anymore
14:09:35Kitt0sajr?
14:09:55Bleistiftyep my good old ajr!
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14:10:35LinusNBleistift: totally dead, or almost dead?
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14:11:00Bleistiftwhen i press "on" i can hear the drive spin up
14:11:02LinusNBleistift: v1 or v2?
14:11:13Bleistiftafter a while it spins down
14:11:16Bleistiftv1
14:11:24Kitt0si don't get those patches, every patch i try to apply i get those HUNK errors.. :\
14:11:34Bleistift...and the display says panic ata -1
14:11:38LinusNKitt0s: then the patch is out of date
14:11:47LinusNBleistift: try this:
14:12:00BleistiftI've disassembled the device now
14:12:09LinusNsqueeze the batteries together
14:12:21Kitt0sno1 updating them :\
14:12:37LinusNKitt0s: talk to the person who submitted the patch
14:13:15PaulJamKitt0s: you can also look at the .rej file and do the changes manually
14:13:22Bleistiftbut how can I squeeze the batteries together after I reassemble the device?
14:15:01Bleistifti think I have to wait for a while because I've put the batteries in my quickcharger
14:15:51Kitt0sPaulJam, if i do it manually, what should i change? the .patch it self and repatch? or the bad .c files itself?
14:15:55BleistiftI dont want to stop the charging process..
14:16:20LinusNBleistift: you squeeze the bumpers
14:16:30linuxstb_amiconn: If all the bitmap functions take void* for the bitmap parameters, then screen->bitmap() can be set to either lcd_bitmap() or lcd_remote_bitmap() without warnings due to different prototypes. The user of screen->bitmap() then needs to ensure the correct type of bitmap is being passed for that screen - which can be done by having an array of bitmaps, one per screen.
14:16:35Lynx_LinusN: that sounds naughty
14:16:40PaulJamthe .c (or .h) file where the failed hunks occured.
14:16:46LinusNif it starts to work when you squeeze them, it is a sign that you need to resolder the battery connectors
14:16:54LinusNLynx_: lol
14:16:59Tyronemaskellcheers guys
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14:17:44Bleistifthm, I've measured the whole battery part with a multimeter
14:18:15Bleistiftfrom the minus spring to the left bar 0 ohm
14:18:25LinusNBleistift: with the batteries in place?
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14:18:33Bleistiftno
14:18:52LinusNthen you don't know if there is a crack in the solder joints
14:19:02LinusNare you the guy who asked in the forum?
14:19:09Bleistiftand from the spring to the three left joints 0 ohm
14:19:19Bleistiftyes.
14:19:25LinusNi replied there too
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14:20:49Bleistifti didn't apply any force because i had to hold that measuring cables
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14:21:19Bleistiftand the solder jionts look good...
14:21:54LinusNthey often do
14:22:21Bleistiftand mine also measured good
14:22:28Bleistiftto you think
14:22:50Bleistifti should re-solder that critical joints
14:22:55LinusNyes i do
14:23:19LinusNtry to bend the pcb outwards
14:23:31LinusNthen you see if it lets go off the chassis
14:23:53Bleistiftno it doesn't
14:24:05Bleistiftbecause of the 6 joints
14:24:24Kitt0show come patches like scrollmargins and the album art thingi aren't implented into rockbox?
14:24:52LinusNBleistift: have you tried the hard drive in another device, like a usb enclosure?
14:25:04Bleistiftthat fix it on the bars
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14:25:19LinusNKitt0s: because they are buggy and incomplete
14:25:32Bleistifti've connected it to my computer via an 2,5->2,5" adapter
14:25:38Bleistiftright now
14:25:43Bleistiftworks fine
14:25:46LinusNok
14:25:53Bleistiftsmart data looks good
14:25:54Kitt0sso why aren't the coders taking them and making them a stable built-in option
14:25:58LinusNthen my bet is on the batteries or the ata connector
14:26:10Bleistifthitachi drive fitnss reports 0 errors
14:26:15LinusNKitt0s: lack of time and interest, i suppose
14:26:32Kitt0shmm, to bad then
14:26:43LinusNKitt0s: for example, the margins patch is not the preferred way of doing it
14:27:05Bleistifthm, thanks!
14:27:05LinusNbut the preferred way requires a lot of work
14:27:32LinusNKitt0s: so it's more or less a catch 22
14:28:28LinusNi once wanted to commit the margins patch, because it's better than nothing
14:28:30Kitt0syep
14:28:56linuxstb_I would quite like to see the album art patch committed, and started looking at it the other week. I need to find time to go back to it...
14:29:19LinusNthere we go again...time... ;-)
14:29:33LinusNspare time, where art thou?
14:29:54Kitt0swhen is 3.0 due? 2010?
14:30:24PaulJamin may
14:30:25LinusNKitt0s: that's as good as any guess
14:31:12aliaskApart from the playback glitches, what else needs going for 3.0?
14:31:17aliask*doing
14:31:24Kitt0srealy? may? thats like.. 7-8 months.. nice :]
14:31:38peturmay 2006 ;)
14:32:12Kitt0slol
14:32:19Kitt0sthat sounds better :]
14:34:14linuxstb_So is 3.1 in November 2006 still on schedule?
14:34:48preglowwhy, of course!
14:34:50Bg3rlinuxstb_: do you really think it is ?:D
14:35:45Bg3ryeah... 3.0 in 15 of Oct, 3.1 in the end of Nov
14:37:40Bleistiftbut linus how would you interpret that: http://home.arcor.de/tobal/ArchosJukeboxR/jbr_archos_boot.mp3
14:38:07Bleistiftits the sound of my ajr booting into archos firmware
14:39:00Bleistiftwhich of course isn't finished
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14:43:11Kitt0shttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6861.0
14:43:17Kitt0swhat do u think?
14:43:18aliaskiriver remote support is better than 50% isn't it?
14:47:56aliaskKitt0s: Having photos in the Tag DB might be besides the purpose of the database - Image files don't have much useful metadata for sorting.
14:48:27Kitt0snot sorting, just being there...
14:48:35Kitt0sun sorted
14:48:43aliaskAs for Extras and Settings, they're available in the main menu, so they don't really need to be there. Remember, we're not trying to emulate the iPod firmware.
14:49:29PaulJamwhat would be nice for the tagcache db would be the ability to specify a link to a hd folder
14:49:38Kitt0si know we are not, but it could be so much easy then all those extra buttons for the settings
14:50:01aliaskPaulJam: I agree.
14:51:43Kitt0sLinusN: why can't Settings Display be implented? is it that buggy?
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14:57:05obocan anyone test a patch on an Archos for me please?
14:57:28Bleistiftok, i'll re-assemble my ajr now...
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14:57:44Bleistiftthat means i have to log off
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14:58:00Bleistiftbecause the hdd is still connected to my pc
14:58:08Bleistiftbye
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14:58:16linuxstb_Kitt0s: By "Settings Display", do you mean this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5833
14:58:26Kitt0syes
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14:58:51Kitt0sits a realy nice feature
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15:00:05linuxstb_See the last comment - the patch doesn't apply to the current source any more - so it needs someone to update it.
15:00:26Kitt0si know
15:00:43Kitt0sbut if a coder will make it a built-in option.. it wouldn't need an update everytime
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15:01:47linuxstb_But that's at least one reason why it's not part of the official source - it hasn't been kept up to date so it can't be committed easily. Before then, it appeared to be buggy (from reading the comments)
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15:03:38lowlightHere was my take on "scroll margins" (left margin anyway): http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5907
15:03:56Kitt0swell everything would be 'buggy' if someone won't take it and make it right.. thats why the rockbox is in development.
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15:09:35linuxstb_lowlight: That looks nice. I can't think of a reason not to commit it...
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15:10:26pondlifeAre there any bundled WPSs that rely on the %s and don't have it at the start of the line?
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15:13:59LinusNpondlife: i assume you mean "start of the subline" as well?
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15:15:14pondlifeYes
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15:16:31lowlightlinuxstb_: time :) ... I'm firewalled at work & have kids at home.
15:17:26LinusNlowlight: there are ways to penetrate firewalls
15:17:48lowlightI also wanted more testing. I tested most cases I could think of. The bundled wps's were ok.
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15:18:48*LinusN wants viewports
15:19:25*amiconn doesn't like the setings display patch at all
15:19:31linuxstb_But something like lowlight's patch could also be used within a viewport?
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15:20:21lowlightLinusN: Hmmm... actually there's 1 pc that's not on the company network, but they recently wiped it clean because of viruses...so I need to reinstall the cygwin stuff.
15:20:39dan_aamiconn: Don't like the concept, or don't like the implementation?
15:20:43*LinusN uses a tunnel
15:21:07webguest20He-he. Everyone asked marsdaddy to post his work on WMA to FS. But since he'S done it not much has happened. Is this still a hot topic?
15:21:56LinusNwebguest20: well, i guess my statement about clueful people and wma still stands :-)
15:22:10pondlifeHot topic? Well, Marsdaddy's house burnt down... maybe it was MS trying to stop him...?
15:22:52*pondlife is only joking, Bill
15:22:55LinusNno, i had already sent my goons when he submitted the patch - i couldn't stop them
15:23:05pondlifeAh that's ok then
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15:26:08webguest20E... "hot topic" and "house burnt down" −− I didn't mean to make a sarcastic joke by that phrase
15:27:05webguest20So one shouldn't expect a working WMA playback anytime soon, right? Good that the OF can do it, I have some WMA files (not many though)
15:27:22preglowsoon and soon
15:27:32preglowthe code's there now, so some other guy could finish it
15:28:00webguest20preglow: "could", not "will"
15:28:46preglow"could" is the only thing you'll ever see around here
15:28:52preglowbut more than one has shown interest in doing it
15:30:17webguest20preglow: that's what I'm wondering about: so much interest before and then suddenly everything is still. Is it harder than everyone expected it to be?
15:30:47preglowassume it is, i haven't had a close look myself yet
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15:32:28webguest20Well, the OF is not bad for that purpose.
15:36:39preglowi think it's bad for every purpose, heh
15:36:46preglowespecially playing music
15:37:03preglowlinuxstb_: didn't you try to rerip the wma code out of ffmpeg?
15:37:41amiconndan_a: I don't like the concept. Presenting setting and value on the same screen looks just ugly
15:37:59amiconnThe recording trigger screen does that, and it's one of the ugliest screens in rockbox...
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15:39:30amiconnMaybe on a screen as big as the iPod videos' it looks okay, but on anything smaller - no
15:39:42My_Sichie everyone
15:40:04linuxstb_preglow: I made a start on it, but there is a lot more ripping needed to remove all the ffmpeg stuff...
15:41:07linuxstb_webguest20: I don't think anyone thought a WMA codec would be easy...
15:41:55webguest20linuxstb_: well, up to a certain degree yes. But that it's THAT hard... :-)
15:42:36webguest20Out of curiousity: what exactly is hard? Copmression/decompression algorithms? Or fixed point math?
15:44:26My_SicDoes someone is able to give me write permissions on TWiki in rockbox ? PV me please
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15:45:19preglowwebguest20: a good mixture of all, i'd say
15:45:31LinusNMy_Sic: which WikiName?
15:46:44LinusNMy_Sic: i think you should read the text on the registration page again
15:47:14webguest20preglow: and what is harder to implement (in your opinion): WMA or MP§ decoding (if done from scratch)?
15:47:20LinusNMy_Sic: especially the part that says "Your WikiName is your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JonhS, SteveA or NinjaBoy."
15:47:29preglowwebguest20: MP§ ?
15:47:30LinusNor MySic
15:48:31My_SicMy WikiName is MySic,yes you have true, it's not my first and last name
15:49:04LinusNMy_Sic: then i will delete it
15:49:14My_Sicok
15:49:39webguest20preglow: I mean MP3 (visually almost MP§ :-)))
15:49:46My_Sicsorry i re-register me with my first and last name
15:50:05godzirraSo anyone have any updates on the 2048 bit sector size?
15:50:09godzirrai.e. 5.5g?
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15:52:18preglowwebguest20: well, wma isn't documented so i wouldn't really know
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15:52:39Kitt0shmm, i have a question, the id3 database, y shouldn't it be generated by a program on the PC? it takes ages on the mp3 player..
15:52:50linuxstb_godzirra: We're still waiting for someone with such an ipod to fix Rockbox...
15:55:50webguest20preglow: and how does WinAmp play WMA? Isn't the plugin open source? Then the only problem would be fixed point math.
15:55:56LinusNwebguest20: "only"
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16:04:58webguest20preglow: how about http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/ee476/Math/index.html?
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16:06:28godzirralinuxstb_: what all needs to be done?
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16:09:30preglowtoo low precision to be useful
16:12:14godzirraHrm.
16:12:21godzirrawhat package do I need in debian to get arm-elf-gcc?
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16:14:42linuxstb_godzirra: The main thing to do is to find out what needs to be done...
16:15:39linuxstb_godzirra: You don't get it from a package, you compile it yourself from source. The rockboxdev.sh script in the tools/ directory of the Rockbox source can automate it for you.
16:15:41godzirralinuxstb_: See, thats the part i'd likely have the most trouble with :/ I'm still setting everything up and seeing if there's anything I ca ndo.
16:15:45godzirralinuxstb_: yeah, I fonud...
16:15:47godzirra*found
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16:19:48godzirralinuxstb_: so there's no hard fast easy way to change it? nothing as simple as changing 512 to 2048? ;)
16:20:06godzirraI guess I should let more skilled people handle it, since I really have no idea what I'm even looking for :/
16:25:20godzirralinuxstb_: Ok, i'm confused.
16:25:34godzirralinuxstb_: a -lot- of people say they have rockbox running on a 5g with 1.2 firmware...
16:25:41godzirraat least thats what it looks like reading the forums.
16:25:44godzirraam I msising something?
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16:31:29linuxstb_godzirra: Either a) The list of "Late 2006" 5g serial numbers on the Apple website is incorrect; or b) You did some combination of update/restore that caused itunes to change the sector size - something that most other 5g users haven't done.
16:34:20godzirraAnd there's no otherway to see if yo1~u have a 5g or a 5.5g?
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16:34:49godzirraand other people have done it :)
16:34:53godzirrahttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6818.0
16:35:01godzirrathis guy has the same problem as me, where it says parameter incorrect
16:35:05godzirrawhen he tries to use ipodpatcher
16:35:14godzirraI've noticed a few other people with the same problem in the forums
16:35:18godzirranot many, but a few.
16:36:31godzirralinuxstb_: Oh well, if there's anything I can do to help, please let me know. I'd like to contribute as much as I can.
16:37:23dan_aIt sounds to me like maybe Apple have started shipping disks that are formatted slightly differently
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16:38:22godzirradan_a: They did.
16:38:47godzirraFrom what I understand (and this very well may be wrong) they're formatted with 512bytes / sector, but do something weird to makei t look like 2048 bytes per sector?
16:38:57godzirraI didnt really understand the whole virtual sector size comments
16:42:12linuxstb_My understanding is this: the USB disk mode which is implemented in software (in the Apple firmware), presents the disk to the host computer as having 2048 byte sectors. But in reality (i.e. to Rockbox running on the ipod), the disk only has 512 byte sectors. So the partition table and (I assume) the FAT filesystem itself stores sector pointers in terms of 2048-byte sectors, but Rockbox is interpreting them to mean 512-byte sectors...
16:43:11dan_aWhy in $^@%'s name would they do that?
16:43:20godzirrato keep people from overwriting their firmware? :)
16:43:34hcssomeone suggested transfer efficiency
16:44:11godzirrasigh. itunes is transferring 2 of every song
16:44:13godzirraI hate itun~es
16:44:47godzirraI guess i'll try anapod until rockbox is working.
16:51:53dan_alinuxstb_: I'm going to have a go at the coprocessor code again soon. I don't suppose you've had any ideas of what could be wrong on PP502X machines?
16:52:16linuxstb_No - I need to try and investigate that again.
16:52:26dprogodzirra: or use gnupod/gtkpod doesn't mindlessly obfuscate the filenames aswell
16:53:04godzirradpro: its primarily on a windows box. :/
16:53:17godzirradont ask.. I have a windows box that I have to use for work (which I then ssh to a linux box to do real work on)...
16:53:34linuxstb_You need a different job :)
16:53:59godzirraYou have no idea.
16:54:17*dan_a uses a Windows laptop ssh'd into Linux boxen too
16:55:00godzirradan_a: Thats not the reason I need a different job ;)
16:55:06*hcs uses ssh to get some use out of the Windows computer labs...
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16:55:10dprogodzirra: sorry I tend to forget that people are using other oses ;)
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16:56:19dprogodzirra: whenever I was forced to work on a win32 box the steps where like 1) install a tool to make it autofocus windows, 2) install cygwin, 3) install emacs
16:58:13*amiconn doesn't like window autofocus at all
16:58:36godzirradpro: there's a tool to autofocus windows? Where?
16:58:38amiconnEven window auto-raising on focus is annoying
16:58:41godzirraamiconn: I love sloppy focus.
16:58:47godzirraI dont like autoraising
16:58:50godzirrabut I do like sloppy focus.
16:58:55*dan_a wants focus-follows-mind
16:59:44amiconngodzirra: There are several possibilities for auto-focus on winows. Note that I didn't try a single one
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17:01:50godzirraamiconn: hey, to each their own
17:02:21linuxstb_amiconn: If you have a minute, can you look at this patch which is my proposed solution for the screen->bitmap warnings. The only thing I don't like is how I've had to change the bitmap functions themselves to introduce a new variable - can you think of a better way? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/voidbitmaps.diff
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17:04:10godzirradpro: so what tools did you use to autofocus?
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17:05:52*dpro googles
17:06:54godzirraI can google... was just curious if you had one you preferred.
17:07:42dproIIRC it was http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/nt/TXMouse/
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17:08:17dproit's years that I seriously touched a windos box ...
17:08:40hcs...in passion
17:09:48_davehi! i have loaded rockbox, however when i boot the interface is upside down! i have a 20gb h10 btw... any ideas? i have used an older release which displays the interface correcrtly, but the latest or the daily builds display everything upside down!
17:09:48godzirraI have a windows box at home I use a lot.
17:09:50godzirraFor games.
17:10:49dprogodzirra: hehe ... I like to play gcc or fluxus or ghosctscript or pure data or .... there is a gameboy with tetris in my bathroom though ;)
17:10:50linuxstb__dave: There is a setting to make the display upside down - try resetting your settings...
17:11:56_daveyes i will, but i thought if i loaded it from scratch it would be default anyways
17:12:00_davethx :)
17:12:10preglowone of these days we should have a big, big forum poll to find out which features people actually use...
17:12:23linuxstb__dave: So is this the first time you've installed Rockbox?
17:12:37dprohcs: no ... what's love got to do with IT ;) I just feel so crippled without all my shortcuts and a roottailed log window, middle click paste, filename/arg completion etcetcetc
17:12:58_daveno, done a few times.. but each time i have removed the .rockbox dir, and the other file completely.. does it store settings elsewhere then?
17:13:13linuxstb__dave: Yes - in an otherwise unused disk sector.
17:13:32_daveah i see, ok i will reset, thanks for your help :)
17:13:45linuxstb_preglow: I would like someone to set up a website for people to upload their config files to - and then produce lots of nice statistics...
17:15:29preglowlinuxstb_: would rockb
17:15:37preglowi'd really love to start cutting out some features, heh
17:16:52linuxstb_But how many people using a feature is enough to warrant inclusion in CVS?
17:16:52godzirradpro: I'm a gamer at heart. I play WoW and Oblivion and Fear, and other random weird crap.
17:17:01godzirraNew Super Mario Brothers is one of my favorits lately :0
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17:17:11linuxstb_Or do we just strip out the 10 least used features every year...
17:17:20preglowlinuxstb_: say welcome to controversy
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17:17:36linuxstb_I see the Player code is still in CVS...
17:17:55*dpro is going to the pool
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17:18:00preglowlinuxstb_: so it seems!
17:18:20hcsfixed libNotSo up
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17:32:13amiconnlinuxstb_: 2 remarks: (1) You don't need to touch the mono_bitmap functions. Mono bitmap format is identical on all targets
17:32:45amiconn(2) Did you tyr to change just the function declarations to use void*, and leave the actual definitions as fbdata* ?
17:32:51amiconns/tyr/try/
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18:15:31godzirradamnit. gnupod doesnt appear to be possible to get working under win32 :/
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18:18:13godzirraSo can anyone recommend something other than iTunes to use with my faux 5.5g until rockbox works?
18:19:33amiconnWhy don't you use linux, then?
18:19:51amiconn(maybe I remember wrong, but aren't you a linux user?)
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18:20:11godzirraI am, but I use my ipod mostly at work where I have a windows box.
18:21:07amiconnWell, if you can install things, you could use VMware player together with a suitable linux image
18:21:51godzirraHmmm.. thats true.
18:22:10godzirraI have a linux partition on this pc... just dont want to reboot everytime to copy music.
18:22:55godzirraI'm downloading vmware player now
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18:38:55Kitt0show can i copy ipod songs into the pc?
18:40:39nlsKitt0s, drag and drop doesn't work?
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18:41:20Kitt0sdrag from where?
18:41:32nlsipod?
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18:41:54Kitt0sas in G:\iPod_Control\Music\..?
18:42:02nlsyes
18:42:09nlsfilenames are scrambled
18:42:11Kitt0sbut its wich shitty file names
18:42:14Kitt0si know
18:42:21Kitt0shmm
18:42:27Kitt0sif id3 tag is ok
18:42:30petursay 'thank you apple'
18:42:33Kitt0si can use tag&rename
18:42:46nlssure
18:43:38nlsbut itunes doesn't change tags so if you edit metadata in itunes it is only stored in itunesdb
18:44:09Kitt0sdude my ipod was fucked up
18:44:18Kitt0sthe db is gone or something
18:44:23Kitt0sbecause all the files are there
18:44:29Kitt0sbut nothing is showen on itunes \ ipod
18:44:43Kitt0sso i copy the iTunesDB.backup
18:44:48Kitt0sand it shows the file on itunes
18:44:52Kitt0sbut not on the ipod
18:44:55Kitt0s:\
18:45:00peturcomplain to apple
18:45:07Kitt0slol
18:45:07Kitt0syea
18:45:07Kitt0s:D
18:45:09peturor buy a proper player
18:45:13peturor use rockbox
18:45:24Kitt0sjust gonna get the mp3s out and move to rockbox
18:45:25Kitt0s:D
18:45:40nlsgood choice :)
18:45:42godzirraI've been trying to use rockbox on my ipod. :(
18:46:11godzirrawish I could downgrade my damned firmware :/
18:46:35godzirraso is there no way to etll if its a 5.5g or a 5g other than serial number?
18:48:29RibsI think the 5.5 is slimmer
18:49:20godzirrabut no way to tell without opening the box?
18:49:26godzirrai.e. I can't tell at the store?
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18:50:17Kitt0show can i convert .m4a to mp3?
18:50:26godzirragoogle m4a mp3 converter ;)
18:50:51peturisn't m4a = aac ?
18:51:01linuxstb_amiconn: Regarding 1) It just seemed more consistent to change them all - especially as the mono targets do "#define lcd_mono_bitmap lcd_bitmap". But I could probably keep the mono functions the same. Regarding 2) - yes, I tried, but gcc just gives me errors or warnings if I don't make all the prototypes and definitions the same.
18:51:48linuxstb_petur: m4a is most commonly aac, but it's just a generic container - Apple also use it for Apple Lossless. You can even store MP3 streams in .m4a (in theory).
18:52:01peturah
18:52:04preglowyes, yes, let's not do that
18:52:16linuxstb_I think it would be a good idea...
18:52:27peturI have a bunch of m4a's and they all turned out to be aac
18:52:32linuxstb_Get rid of all those nasty MP3 tagging hacks
18:52:34preglowpetur: they almost always are
18:52:40preglowlinuxstb_: true enough, but they're working ...
18:52:45preglowpeople should stop using mp3 anyway
18:53:01petur?
18:53:13linuxstb_VBR seeking doesn't work well...
18:53:46peturall my mp3's are VBR, but I never use seeking
18:53:47preglowBagder: would you happen to know how to make autoconf not spout a ton of -DHAVE_LOL on my command line? i know they don't appear if you create a config.h, but i don't want a config.h ...
18:53:49Kingstonelinuxstb, has anyone started working on decrypting the nano?
18:54:17preglowlinuxstb_: it won't work well in m4a either unless you use a huge seektable
18:54:22nlsis the nano encrypted?
18:54:27preglownls: indeed
18:54:38*nls wonders how to encrypt a dap
18:55:14linuxstb_preglow: .m4a also adds timestamps to packets, so you know where you are in the stream... (iiuc)
18:55:37preglowlinuxstb_: does it now
18:55:46preglownls: use a sledgehammer
18:55:58Kingstonelinuxstb, just wanna see if there is hope somewhere, i know little about encryption
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18:56:38preglowKingstone: someone is working on it, but not any rockbox people that i know of
18:57:05Kingstoneipodlinux guys?
18:57:14preglowyeah
18:57:18Kingstoneslowcoder?
18:57:23preglowdon't know whom
18:57:27preglowcan't remember
18:58:05Kingstoneif you know a guy who works on it and needs help, tell me, i'm willing to help
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19:20:13webguest20Hello. I just noticed that during the credits plugin is working the backlight always stays ON (on my H120). Is this a bug or a feature?
19:22:05obowebguest20: looking at the code, it seems to be a feature
19:22:20preglowfeature, so it's readable without having to push a button (which exits the plugins)=
19:22:23preglowplugin
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19:24:21webguest20Aha! Thanks! I just thought it might be a bug since RB is so paranoic about battery :-)
19:24:25Dma-Scis it the same on doom now?
19:25:37nlswhen would you play doom withot touching the buttons
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19:26:55Dma-Scwhen you're waiting for a monster coming at the corner? :) but i could just check doom code to see if it had been done or not
19:27:36Dma-Scor showing the demo replay to friends (main purpose of this plugin isn't it ;)
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19:32:07Dma-Scbtw someone was talking about a .spc replay codec, but i can't see it as patch, would that be available anywhere else to try?
19:32:47preglowgood god, i don't think soi
19:32:49preglowbut if there is...
19:34:46Dma-Scthat would be neat indeed :)
19:35:23*preglow downloads the ff6 soundtrack in anticipation
19:35:30preglowbut like i said, i think i'd notice such a patch, heh
19:35:59Dma-Scok
19:36:21preglowseems there is a .nsf player, though
19:37:36Dma-Scbut of a shame that the .sid plugin deosn't handle digi stuff btw, but i guess it's based on early emulation of that soundchip so it probably doesn't handle correct filtering as well. still better than nothing of course :)
19:38:23Dma-Scit would have been nice to get the nezplug library working as this one handle many chip/systems emulation
19:40:23preglowdigi stuff?
19:40:31preglowno emulators i know of handles the filter well
19:40:49preglowthe rockbox sid codec actually handles tunes that use the 8580 sid chip very well
19:41:02preglowbut like all other emulators, it does a poor job on tracks made with a 6581 chip
19:41:04Dma-Scwell sidplay doesn't nice filtering emulation
19:41:24Dma-Scargh
19:41:29Dma-Scdoesn't > does
19:41:49preglowin that case something has to have happened recently
19:41:54preglowit sucked a couple of years ago
19:42:07Dma-Scalso it handle 6581/8580 differencies
19:42:21preglowi don't think've seen any emulator that tries to model the 6581 filter properly
19:42:27preglowmainly because it's one hell of a job, heh
19:42:31preglowthat filter is fucked up
19:42:35Dma-Scit hasn't been updated super lately but big changes in sound occured at once yes
19:42:55Dma-Scyeah crazy analog stuff anyway :)
19:43:15Dma-Scalso yes there are digi instruments in some sid
19:44:12preglowah, you mean samples?
19:44:22preglowhmm, i thought the rockbox codec did handle samples
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19:45:06preglowi've got a sidstation myself, and i'll shout in glee the day i find that someone has emulated the filter in the 6581 successfully, but i'm not exactly optimisitic
19:45:30preglowpeople have spent hundreds of hours trying to simulate filters faaar simpler than the one in this thing
19:45:34Dma-Scoh a sidstation, slick stuff :)
19:45:59preglow'tis indeed
19:46:02*preglow strokes sidstation
19:46:48Dma-Scbut yeah, when i want to hear proper sid, i rely in recording rather than emulation
19:46:54Dma-Scin > on
19:48:14Dma-Scif all soundchips were as simple as the ym2149 there wouldn't be all those emulation problems (but pretty basic sound all over yeah ;D)
19:48:14preglowyeah, ditto
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19:52:19kierskoehello all, can anyone help me on an issue with rockbox and the ipod nano
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20:01:32linuxstbkierskoe: What's the problem?
20:01:45kierskoehi
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20:02:47kierskoewell i booted up rockbox on a nano and all was going well, but now when i turn it on all it brings up is a "restore with ipod updater" screen
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20:04:36linuxstbI think one or two people have reported that problem as well in the past - but I don't know if anyone found the cause.
20:05:03kierskoedamn
20:05:31linuxstbDo you still have the "rockboot.bin" file you created during the initial installation?
20:05:39kierskoeyup
20:06:18linuxstbTry writing that to your ipod again. You'll need to force your ipod into disk mode.
20:08:31kierskoeif i format the ipod will rockbox be able to install the bootloader again?
20:09:23linuxstbYes, but that's a last resort. I would just try restoring the rockboot.bin first.
20:10:29kierskoehow do i force the ipod into disk mode?
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20:10:52linuxstbReboot by holding MENU+SELECT, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY.
20:12:04kierskoek says "ok to disconnect"
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20:17:30kierskoei get
20:17:59kierskoeread in disk_readData error (cyclic redundancy check)
20:18:45linuxstbI guess that means either a) Your USB connection is dodgy; or b) the flash on your ipod is broken.
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20:19:04linuxstbb) would explain why your ipod suddenly stopped working.
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20:19:57kierskoeUSB port is ok
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20:20:50kierskoeipod could be foobared though, as it failed to communicate with itunes before i loaded rockbox
20:23:38kierskoereckon i should take it back and get it replaced?
20:25:01linuxstbWell, if it's not working...
20:25:12kierskoei hear ye
20:25:20kierskoethanks for the help anyway mate
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20:37:56mattzzany archos recorder hackers online?
20:39:32mattzzuhm, I guess this unit is far too old :-)
20:39:37Learlinuxstb: recognizing the error "Gain control not yet implemented" from libfaad?
20:39:57amiconnmattzz: me, at least
20:40:20mattzzHey, long time no see!
20:40:46amiconnAnd the unit is old, yes, but it's not outdated
20:41:03mattzzAbsolutely!
20:41:33mattzzI am struggling with screen.c - the software-shutdown is broken since the button code has been updated
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20:42:08amiconnI know
20:42:34amiconnI wanted to try some things myself, but the I have many half-ready changes here :/
20:42:55mattzzI see
20:43:32mattzzShould the simulator support the off-button in the way the hardware does?
20:43:38amiconnFor the player, cvs is severely broken atm
20:44:02amiconnIt boots, but if you want to resume -> "Stkov scroll"
20:44:06amiconn-
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20:44:55*amiconn is going to do a binary search for the commit that caused it
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20:45:14mattzzguess the keymap is broken. So it was for the recorder in some way
20:45:15amiconnSoft shutdown should work in the sim
20:45:36mattzzPressing "enter" on the num-pad should work?
20:45:45mattzzThat is interesting...
20:46:28amiconnHmm, if you're on cygwin, Num-Enter probably won't work
20:46:36mattzznah, on debian
20:46:40amiconnThat's a problem of the Win32 SDL port
20:47:02linuxstbLear: No, never seen that.
20:47:27LearI get it after 45k decoded samples on a file...
20:48:01linuxstbMy AAC test suite only has one file in it though.
20:48:18Dma-Scis it possible to use 4 gray levels bitmap for wps elements on h120? if yes, would that use more battery than monochrome bitmap?
20:49:07Leardma-sc: I use gray bitmaps. Any difference would be very small, I think...
20:49:33Dma-Scdifference on battery load you mean?
20:50:01Learyes
20:50:01preglowLear: looks like an aac ssr error
20:50:15Dma-Sclear : ok thanks :)
20:50:21Learssr?
20:50:25preglowscalable sample rate
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20:50:31preglowlets you peel off the upper bands of a file
20:50:34preglownot something we want to support
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20:50:41preglowaac lc is what almost everyone uses anyway
20:50:59Learbut this is a LC AAC file, afaik.
20:51:06preglowthen i have no idea what's wrong, heh
20:52:35amiconnhummmm!
20:53:44Dma-Scdoes someone knows how to build rockbox without plugins?
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20:54:07peturmake bin
20:54:30hcswill that make codecs, too?
20:54:44peturerr.. no
20:54:54peturonly the rockbox file
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20:56:25MoosHi there !
20:57:13peturhcs: no, "make bin" doesn't build the codecs, just the rockbox.[target] file
20:58:46peturmake help
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20:59:08peturwill show the possible make options
20:59:29peturha! it misses the bin one :)
20:59:34hcspetur: thanks, but I doesn't show make bin, so I wondered
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21:00:11amiconnHrrm, the 'stkov scroll' only happens when running rombox. More testing...
21:00:30peturhcs: make help is just a bunch of echo's - somebody didn't update it when make bin was added
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21:01:33mattzzamiconn, did you file your button-probs in the forum? There is a gigantic thread about button probs
21:17:25Dma-Sclear : 2bits bitmap makes it 4 colors isn't it? black, white and 2 level of gray?
21:17:39mattzzgotta go - c u
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21:18:49Leardma-sc: yep.
21:18:58Dma-Sclear : thanks
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21:27:26Dma-Sclear : btw, what is your wps like?
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21:28:48LearFairly simple, using the bitmaps mainly to make a fancier status and progress bar.
21:29:31Dma-Scok, is available somewhere? :)
21:29:36Dma-Sc+it
21:30:05LearNo. I've thought about adding it to the wiki, but never got around to it...
21:30:22Dma-Scah ok
21:32:56markunhi there Moos!
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22:04:21Paul_The_NerdThe big red circle?
22:06:13linuxstbYep.
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22:13:00amiconnIt's lamed's splash() change that causes the crash on player...
22:13:30amiconnHa, and I even know why...
22:14:29amiconnIt only happens when running rombox... meaning that the text passed to splash() can be in ROM... so direct modification of the input parameter (as the new splash() code does) cannot work
22:14:31amiconnUrgh!
22:14:47*amiconn wonders why gcc doesn't complain...
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22:16:20amiconnIt also means that it will crash on other romboxable targets too... all archoses ('cept fmr and recv2 atm), plus H1x0
22:17:41amiconnMno, that can't be the problem...
22:19:05amiconnBuffer overflow it seems...
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22:19:35preglowh1x0 flash is copied to ram, so it won't happen there
22:19:49amiconnIt is?
22:19:54*amiconn wonders why
22:19:55preglowyes, afaik
22:20:02preglowrockbox hung if the image was kept in flash
22:20:12preglowthis is the last i heard, at least, and i don't think it's changes since
22:20:13amiconnThen there's a bug
22:20:19preglowSlasheri: though you're free to elaborate
22:20:25preglowamiconn: it can hardly be anything else
22:20:26amiconnBut anyway, the prob is different
22:23:17amiconnDoing vsnprintf() to a buffer with a string possibly longer than the destination buffer, and then using strtok_r() on that is certainly not good
22:23:39amiconnIf the string is larger than the destination, the trailing \0 won't be there
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23:19:02mumble123i have a question regarding a possibly busted h320...
23:19:14peturouch
23:19:50pabsi have a question about my h120 that i lost and had to buy an x5 60G instead
23:19:51mumble123i may have fried something when i connected a battery pack with the polarity reversed
23:20:02pabsnamely, what kind of dumbass loses an h120?
23:20:25mumble123now it only boots into the bootloader usb mode...does this in both the iriver and rockbox firmwares..
23:21:09mumble123is there some proggie i could use to relfash the firmware via usb to see if its maybe only a scrambled firmware? the iriver fw does seem to read the drive contents just before it goes into bootloader mode
23:22:20peturmumble123: if you reversed the polarity, you probably fried one or more chips
23:22:41*mumble123 sighs
23:22:59peturseems the cypress chip got hit?
23:23:04mumble123what i figured..but i wanted to hope just a bit more...damn radio shack...
23:23:22mumble123cypress chip?
23:23:33peturusb-ata bridge
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23:24:38peturmind you, this is all just guessing, it may be something else
23:24:50mumble123oh...well..it could be, i have no way of knowing...all i know is that the data still seems to be on the hd and its readable...somewhat..
23:25:12peturyou mean it's accessible over usb?
23:25:20mumble123gonna try that next..
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23:26:07peturhmmm even the webclient is against him...
23:27:26*petur wonders what could be wrong with his isp1362 irq handler
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23:35:37GoombahSo how hard is it?
23:36:00nlsI don't think anyone tried
23:36:12GoombahWhat is it?
23:36:26GoombahOh, rockbox
23:36:33GoombahUnderstand it's not too hard
23:36:51GoombahDespite the name . . . *rock* box. Ha
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23:37:34scorche|,,|
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23:45:20Davide-NYCJust purchased an H320 for the wife
23:46:20vertic420how much?
23:49:45Davide-NYC125
23:49:58Davide-NYCanyone familiar?
23:50:10Davide-NYCIt has US firmware 1.02
23:50:21Davide-NYCI'm going to flash with KR 1.29
23:50:34Davide-NYCthen RB (of course)
23:51:58Davide-NYCanything I need to know?>
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23:53:15nlsyour DRM "features" will be irreversibly gone (oh noes!)
23:53:24craigshihhow do you ask for write permissions
23:53:45nlscraigshih, basically you come here and ask for it
23:53:58craigshihoh
23:54:00nlsso will you spam the wiki?
23:54:18craigshihno...
23:54:23craigshihof course not
23:54:31nlswhat's your wiki name?
23:54:46craigshihcraigshih
23:55:04scorchecraigshih: what is your last name?
23:55:12craigshihshih
23:55:25scorchealright...just making sure =)
23:55:27craigshihthe wiki name is CraigShih
23:55:28craigshihea
23:55:49craigshih*yea
23:56:00nlsshould be added now
23:56:21craigshihthanks
23:56:26craigshihlet me check
23:57:02craigshihI know this is a dumb question, but how do you log in?
23:57:13craigshih>_<
23:57:17scorcheyou log in when you attempt to edit a page
23:57:31craigshihoh
23:57:34nlsclick edit on apage
23:58:02craigshihis there already a doom plugin topic?
23:58:15nlsyes PluginDoom
23:58:45craigshihcant find it...
23:58:58nlshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginDoom

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