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#rockbox log for 2006-10-17

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00:11:37Kaltharegodzirra, you there?
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00:12:18webguest37with ajr, unit on, charger plugged in and charging batteries, why won't it allow turning off, it says "unit charging" when off is selected
00:13:54peturmaybe because the hardware would boot it again immediately because of the external power? At least that's why it's like that on iriver, don't know about archos
00:14:58webguest37strange that, a bit counter intuitive,
00:15:36peturI'm just guessing
00:15:53*petur looks at amiconn/Bagder/...
00:15:54webguest37uhuh, your guess is better than mine
00:18:42webguest37how good is the built in charger in the Recorder, will i need to cycle the batteries every now and then in an external charger ?
00:19:08peturI have no idea - don't have an archos
00:19:19webguest37amiconn, Bagder, Linus ^^
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00:39:43pillis audio supposed to skip sometimes on ipod mini 1G?
00:39:52pilli'm talking APS mp3
00:42:12preglowdo you use any eq?
00:42:15preglowcrossfeed?
00:42:32pillno
00:43:10preglowipods are a bit pressed for cpu anyway, so it's not inconceivable that mp3s might skip at high bitrates
00:43:17preglowbut it hasn't happened to me for a long time
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00:45:04pillhm
00:45:06PaulJampill: it often helps to use a wps without peakmeters
00:45:14pilli think enabling tag cache + directory cache
00:45:24pillmade it overload
00:45:33pillyeah that too
00:45:42pilli switched to informal_ter
00:45:46pillso far no skip
00:45:52pillon the same track
00:45:55Mikachupeakmeters are no-no on ipods
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00:47:28lostlogicMikachu: you still into testing random playback related patches?
00:47:52Mikachuwell, i still have my weird buffer sizes
00:47:58lostlogicsweet
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00:48:07Mikachuwhat problem are we fixing?
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00:49:13lostlogicwell it relates to 5906 −− getting partial wrong-track output after resuming a song and then seeking backwards within it... but it may or may not fix that issue
00:49:25Mikachuah, that happens to me
00:49:26lostlogicit should also more fully utilize the compressed audio buffer
00:49:50lostlogiclostlogic.com/transfer/rockbox/remove_fill_bytesleft.diff">http://lostlogic.com/transfer/rockbox/remove_fill_bytesleft.diff
00:49:58Mikachu404
00:50:08lostlogicpondlife said he got it to lostlogicx
00:50:08lostlogicsorry
00:50:10lostlogicgah
00:50:18lostlogicchange it to lostlogicx.com
00:50:19Mikachuah, missing x
00:50:28Mikachuthat's a nice macro
00:50:34lostlogicand pondlife said that he was able to get it to go into a "filling forever state"
00:50:38lostlogicI haven't found that state yet
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00:50:54lostlogicso if you get there and tell me how that is one of the useful things I'm interested in.
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00:51:20Mikachuwhat would be characteristic of this state?
00:51:43Mikachusuccess, patch applies
00:53:49lostlogichmm, the disk never goes to rest as the audio is playing and or audio starts to get effed up as the buffer overwrites itself
00:53:56Mikachubleh, wtf isn't it boosting when buffer is low?
00:54:03Mikachuprobably not related to the patch
00:54:17lostlogicyeah, I didn't touch boost behavior today
00:55:26Mikachusigh, i really don't like this prio scheduler
00:56:38lostlogicmy jury is still out on it
00:57:12Mikachui didn't get skipping before, the only gain for me is the ui is useless
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00:58:14Mikachuin the meantime i boosted manually
00:58:19lostlogicnod
00:59:49Mikachuno luck, it seemed to crash when i tried to skip
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01:00:15Mikachubut that was without your patch
01:00:21Mikachui think something else is amiss
01:02:13lostlogicuh oh
01:02:32lostlogicwell, I might have found the bug in my patch that pondlife was seeing, so I'll be posting an updated version soon
01:02:47Mikachui knew i shouldn't have cvs updated without backing up my tree first
01:03:02Mikachuafter a whole month or so
01:04:32lostlogicouch
01:04:33lostlogicyeah
01:06:13jhMikeS petur likes to look at people
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01:08:33Mikachuit seems i found the correct lines to comment out to disable the scheduler...
01:08:43Mikachu(just undefining it makes rockbox crash on startup)
01:09:24Mikachups it is insane to make an os prioritize decoding over ui
01:09:57JdGordonnot for rb
01:10:10lostlogicdepends... this is a audio jukebox firmware...
01:10:20Mikachusure, i don't need to be able to actually use the interface while listening to music
01:10:25lostlogicdamn. it like doesn't return right or something.
01:10:53KalthareI've been wondering why the UI is sluggish even when nothing's playing..
01:11:32lostlogicKalthare: that's just because ipod is still slow
01:11:35lostlogicand we don't boost for UI
01:11:39Mikachucommenting out that section magically makes skipping work better too
01:12:26lostlogiclol
01:12:37*Mikachu is less grumpy again
01:13:34Mikachuof course, it's easy for me to complain, the nano has the fastest ui :)
01:14:34lostlogicMikachu: you don't want to use my patch... seeking that should cause a rebuffer seems to cause a stoppage of playing instead.
01:14:48Mikachui sort of noticed that yeah
01:14:57Mikachupause and play seemed to restart it sometimes
01:15:03*lostlogic smacks it
01:15:11lostlogic(actually logfs it to see wtf
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01:15:26Mikachui love how grep . without -r happily returns without actually grepping anything
01:15:33lostlogichehe :)
01:15:41*RedKennedy is wishing that BBE was an open source library.
01:15:54Mikachuokay, HAVE_SCHEDULER_BOOSTCTRL looks like a prime suspect
01:15:56RedKennedythough i read on the iaudiophile forums that rockbox can make everything sound just as sexy
01:15:59RedKennedyany tips?
01:16:02lostlogicMikachu: for?
01:16:14Mikachufor my not boosting
01:16:22Mikachui probably accidentally disabled it when merging new changes
01:16:23lostlogicMikachu: that's actually a change I kinda like... the boosting is still done manually
01:16:30lostlogicah yeah
01:16:50lostlogicthe only problem with the impl is that he made it a config.h variable but disabling it breaks the feature instead of switching back to normal
01:17:13Mikachumaybe that explains my crashes though..., we'll see
01:17:31preglowRedKennedy: rockbox doesn't do anything fancy to the sound
01:17:47preglowRedKennedy: unless you count basic stereo stuff, eq and crossfeed
01:18:12Mikachuah yes, enabling that crashes on startup
01:18:21RedKennedypreglow: well, i gathered that, but is there any way to manipulate said eq effects to get a bbe-ish sound?
01:18:45Mikachuthat means i can disable prio sched completely...
01:19:57preglowRedKennedy: what does bbe do, then?
01:20:07preglowi've never bumped into it
01:20:39Mikachubleh, they removed the boost code from the playback code completely
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01:20:55Mikachuway to add an ifdef :)
01:21:08Mikachunot much point if you remove the #else case
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01:23:09preglowhow does the scheduler unboosting work?
01:23:13preglowthat is, when does it unboost?
01:23:25RedKennedypreglow: it sort of spreads the sound out, and makes everything more full, highlighting various things...doesn't do much bass-wise...but it can make recordings from the 60's sound like modern day studio sessions
01:23:26Mikachuthe cpu?
01:23:33Mikachuoops, i read "what"
01:23:39lostlogicpreglow: it unboosts when the cpu gets 'slept'
01:23:51RedKennedypreglow: there's also mach3bass, which is part of bbe, and enhances the low end without causing any distortion
01:24:32lostlogicwhich means that it doesn't immediately unboost all the time when the buffer gets full, because just because the codec thread sleeps for 1s/hz doesn't mean that all threads are asleep for that length
01:24:46preglowRedKennedy: crossfeed does something like that, but i bet it's not as fancy
01:24:55jhMikeSIsn't mach3bass what iAudio uses...been so long since OF that I can't recall but it sounds familiar.
01:25:13Mikachuhooray, the changes revert without conflicts = fixed
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01:25:20Mikachunow i am never going to cvs update again :P
01:25:56RedKennedyjhMikeS: yes. i'm a proud iAudio user. :^)
01:26:04Mikachui could also try to find out why it reboots to the sad ipod when i enable boostctrl... but not today
01:26:07preglowlostlogic: sounds like it just ate whatever battery savings we got from the scheduler in the first place, then
01:27:02Mikachujust make the decoded audio buffer larger = fixed skips
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01:28:21lostlogicpreglow: wouldn't surprise me... I kinda think that what we need to do instead is to have per-thread boost states in a bitmap so that when a thread boosts, it sets the bit and when that same thread sleeps it unsets the bit and if the bitmap is now zero, the cpu unboosts (if we're going to do offer 'automatic' unboosting, which seems a good idea)
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01:29:56lostlogicyeah, the more I think about it, per-thread auto-unboost sounds kinda slick
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01:30:23ByronI have an ondio, and I'm having some problems with it, the thing doesn't seem to turn on unless I blow into the card slot... any ideas?
01:30:57*Byron gives his ondio mouth the slot recesitation
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01:31:46Mikachui have one question, how did you come up with that solution?
01:31:58lostlogicwhat, me?
01:32:03Mikachuno byron
01:32:08lostlogiclaugh
01:32:19preglowlostlogic: definitely sounds more foolproof
01:33:18lostlogicI wonder how big of a task it would be to replace all boosting in the system with that style.
01:33:23ByronI don't know, I just decided to take the card out when I couldn't get it to turn on and it came up when I took the card out, then that trick stopped working so I blew into the slot and that worked
01:33:42*lostlogic hates two ways to do things
01:34:07Mikachulostlogic: #define boost()
01:34:23Byroncould there be a bad solder connection that isen't being made that is ingnited when I blow into the slot
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01:38:55Byronis there any where I can send broken Archos' too and have them repaired
01:39:19ByronI've also got a Jukebox Recorder 20 that makes loud screachy noises
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02:19:18webguest11i have a studio that wont turn on, the HD goes clack-clack-clack repeatedly, but I can plug it into my pc and read the HD, any ideas on how to get it past the clack-clack phase
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02:22:37JdGordonmy damn h300 wont die!
02:22:46JdGordonits been gong for 12 hours now
02:22:54JdGordonand its been @ 10% for the last hour
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03:07:36lostlogicnice
03:14:23Brockanyone creative here?
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03:15:51JdGordonhmm... where the heck is paul_the_nerd?!
03:16:21Byronis there any where I can send broken Archos' too and have them repaired
03:16:25ByronI've also got a Jukebox Recorder 20 that makes loud screachy noises
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05:40:17lostlogicgah, stupid rebuffer_and_seek bug.
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05:47:12lostlogicpatch needs testing: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6199
05:47:47Mikachuthis is an updated one?
05:47:52lostlogicMikachu: yes
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05:48:21lostlogicMikachu: this needs some more significant abuse, because some other refactoring snuck in accidentally... but it actually does fix the issue in 5906 afaics now.
05:48:28lostlogic(I _found_ the cause, so...)
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05:51:27Mikachujust need to modify it a bit since it managed to found a cpu boost line :)
05:51:55lostlogiclaugh *nod*
05:52:27Mikachuthere
05:52:29lostlogicmy next patch will be to work on that improved auto-un-boost feature I talked about which should work w/o priority scheduler
05:52:42lostlogicbut that won't be until ... ... probably a week or two :( stupid busy.
05:52:49Mikachuas long as it doesn't crash on startup i'll be happy
05:52:59lostlogicheh
05:56:17Mikachui was almost going to say it doesn't work, then i realized pressing prev just jumps to the beginning of the current track
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06:01:19Mikachuinitial seeking and skipping like crazing didn't turn anything up
06:03:26Bossieri have a stupid question, I'm wanting to download an older build of rockbox. just installed cvs and am able to get the current source, i just need to know how to get older sources
06:03:52Mikachuyou can use the -D switch to get sources from a specific date
06:04:02Mikachucvs update -D "2006-05-30"
06:04:03Mikachuor
06:04:07Mikachucvs update -D "3 months ago"
06:04:16Mikachuthen cvs update -A to go back to now
06:05:06Bossierthanks, i saw there was a rockboy patch for ipod grayscales, couldn't get it to take on the current build so i thought i'd download a build from around when that patch was made
06:06:40Mikachulostlogic: when you say long tracks, in what sense do you mean, filling the codec buffer or filling the pcm buffer?
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06:10:21lostlogicMikachu: long = larger than the compressed audio buffer in this case
06:10:35Mikachuokay, that would be any track for me then
06:12:00lostlogicmm
06:12:05lostlogicgood
06:12:16lostlogicPaul_the_Nerd: I ... wrote code
06:12:20lostlogichow's it goin'?
06:12:38Paul_the_NerdWhoaaa
06:12:46Mikachui am glad you are back btw
06:12:49Mikachu:)
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06:13:32lostlogicMikachu: thanks
06:14:20KaltharePaul_the_Nerd: I took out all the code that writes to .playlist_control and now it doesn't crash at all. Even if I rebuild the tag cache while music is playing.
06:15:05Paul_the_NerdKalthare: So it's some evil combination, rather than just writing during playback?
06:15:11Paul_the_Nerdlostlogic: It is great to see you around here again
06:16:00KaltharePaul_the_Nerd: Seems so. Incidentally, I was surprised to discover that one of the functions uses the MP3 buffer for its own nefarious purposes..
06:16:30Paul_the_NerdKalthare: Oh?
06:17:04Mikachuwhat do the * and B (and possibly other things) in the thread debug screen mean?
06:17:09KalthareI haven't really investigated how or why, or if it's even related. But it kinda stood out.
06:17:52Paul_the_NerdIt's at least a place to start looking
06:18:26KalthareCertainly.
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06:20:16lostlogichmm... I wonder if it would be a bad thing to use up another bit of the thread state.
06:20:30Mikachulostlogic: i tried the case in 5906 (once), seeking to the very beginning, to the very end, near the ends etc, even tried seeking while paused and it works fine so far
06:20:42lostlogicMikachu: great thanks!
06:20:57lostlogicI'll see if Slasheri or pondlife have anything against it tomorrow before committing (and causing you conflicts ;))
06:21:05Mikachuheh
06:21:10Mikachui will manage
06:21:50Mikachuset a-b points 3 seconds apart
06:21:53Mikachuseems to work
06:21:54Mikachuincredible
06:22:08Mikachuoops
06:22:30Mikachuwell, it sounds the same, but i'm not sure if the progress bar knows wth it's doing
06:24:54Mikachugood night
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06:59:29JdGordondid some1 buzz me before?
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07:06:29godzirraKalthare: Sorry, whats up?
07:07:06JdGordonhey Paul_the_Nerd, i got 13hours before i gave u because i needed to charge it for the day
07:07:50Paul_the_NerdSo definitely at least reasonable
07:08:02JdGordonye
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08:08:21mihalishelp! i have a major problem with rockbox on my ipod (which is practically brand new)
08:08:44daurnimatoryay!'
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08:09:11mihalisi don't know what happened, but it seems as though a bunch of my files (mp3s and such) are suddenly gone, and a bunch of files that are named with gibberish appeared in their place
08:09:28mihalisin addition, when i try to delete them, it says "cannot read from source disk"
08:10:07mihalisi figured i would just delete everything and copy it back over, as (of course) i have been backing up my mp3s)
08:10:21mihalisbut it wont let me delete...
08:10:38mihalisi have no clue how this happened.
08:10:51mihalisany ideas?
08:11:29mihalisthere are files with names like =X+/.So
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08:15:02*mihalis has about given up on both rockbox and ipod..
08:15:09Rob2222_hmm
08:15:17Rob2222_what have you done?
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08:15:48mihalisdont know... just turned it on, all of my settings seemed to be cleared, and my fonts folder was one of the ones renamed to gibberish
08:15:56mihalisamong several mp3 folders
08:16:25Rob2222you connected the player to a pc and scanned the disc?
08:16:33mihalisi kind of wonder if its the drive really, but as for how ive cared for it, ive babied it... its in a case within a case..
08:16:40mihalisscanned the disk w/ what?
08:16:57Rob2222you use windows?
08:17:03mihalisyes
08:17:21Rob2222chkdsk h: /f
08:17:27mihalisoh you mean like chkdisk or something
08:17:31Rob2222where h: is the letter of you ipod
08:17:35Rob2222yes
08:17:38liniOutput is 260 bytes larger than max (233456)
08:17:38liniremoving UCL file again, making it a fake one
08:17:39mihalisk... ill try that
08:17:50pondlifelostlogic: patch #6199 seems good here
08:17:56linii guess Archos recorder cannot have a rombox build now?
08:18:04amiconnyes :(
08:18:16pondlifeFor now :(
08:18:19liniok
08:18:42mihalisLOTS of invalid time stamps, and "entries that will be truncated"...
08:19:30Rob2222mihalis: You have a backup of the files?
08:20:04amiconnlini: You could use a build from 2006-10-15 or earlier, which has rombox, but then you won't have the pitch screen (which was missing for recorder v1 and v2 for a few weeks)
08:21:16liniyes i saw the CVS log
08:21:27mihalisi always backup my stuff
08:21:43linii am using an older build right now (10-09 i think) since it leaves more free RAM
08:21:47Rob2222mihalis: OK, fine :)
08:21:52mihalisits just that it sucks having to copy everything over again... it was well over 30 gigs
08:22:10mihalistakes a couple hours to do...
08:22:22Rob2222mihalis: Well, rockbox is still in development for ipod
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08:23:12mihalisyah... i guess i learned about the bugs the hard way, but then again... i think it might be because its an apple product, which, of course, sucks.
08:23:23Rob2222lol
08:23:37mihalishell, in the 80s even commodore was better than apple
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08:23:47Rob2222well, normally there doesnt occure bug that cause data loss
08:23:59mihalisyah thats why i think its the drive
08:24:27Rob2222what was your last steps with the unit before the bug occured?
08:24:35Rob2222-bug+problem
08:24:38Rob2222:)
08:24:39Teknomancerrockbox on my iRiver has been quite good though, though i have a really old version
08:24:40mihalisand im certainly not going to rush out and exchange it for another ipod... ill be getting a different product entirely... thank goodnes i got the warranty protection
08:24:54mihalisis iriver better than ipod?
08:25:06Rob2222jejeje :) (at least imho)
08:25:13Rob2222but ipods are smaller
08:25:28mihalisive heard alot about it... small isnt my concern... quality built is more important
08:25:42mitt3ranyone know much about the sandisk series?
08:25:52Teknomancermihalis http://misticriver.net for all your iRiver queries :) since there are a lot of different models
08:25:55mihalisi dont want something that will crash and have regular data loss
08:26:12Rob2222I love the iRiver H300. I pimped my HD and my battery yet and everything is running fine
08:26:15Teknomanceri've been having iRiver H340 for a few months and so far no problems
08:26:44Rob2222mihalis: Well, just give your unit a 2nd chance
08:26:49Teknomancerand what i LOVE about my H300 the most is that it's just a simple FAT32 that works out-of-the-box for almost all OSs including BeOS, Linux, Windows
08:26:59Teknomancerno special software needed to transfer stuff etc
08:27:13Rob2222hehe yes, its recognized as USB mass storage
08:27:21TeknomancerRob2222 its critical for me
08:27:25Teknomanceras i'm not a windows user
08:27:30Teknomancernor a Mac user
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08:28:03Rob2222yes
08:28:27Teknomanceri'm listening to my iRiver right now :) but not on Rockbox :D
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08:28:50mitt3ranyone know if rockbox is planning something for the sandisk series?
08:29:15Rob2222Well, once I damaged my file structure while trying to move files with the rockbox rename function. Copy and past wasnt implemented that time.
08:29:33Rob2222but that was the only data-loss related problem i had
08:30:05mihalisok chkdsk managed to delete all the gibberish files, but the old folders didnt come back... in addition, the space they occupied still seems to be occupied, and no recycle bin was made
08:30:33Rob2222hmm
08:30:53Rob2222if nothing helps, reformat it
08:31:06mihalisive had that problem with other drives in the past... usually right before they bit the dust... and this one is only about a month old
08:31:43Rob2222maybe you dl "hdtune" and scan the disc
08:31:57Rob2222a surface scan
08:32:11Rob2222or chkdsk h: /f/r
08:32:21Rob2222but this takes a while
08:32:35Rob2222and maybe it reports a disc problem then
08:32:52mihalisi think im just going to return it...
08:33:04mihalisif i have to do all this, i might as well do it with a new device.
08:33:12mihalisthanks, though
08:33:48LinusNmitt3r: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html
08:33:58mitt3rthx
08:34:33amiconnHrrm! Why does the debug menu no longer allow to set the CPU frequency to idle?
08:36:10amiconnSlasheri?
08:36:38Slasherihmm, i haven't touched that
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08:38:15LinusNit's pondlife
08:39:15LinusNhe changed the functionality to "unboost all"
08:39:26LinusNjust looked at the code
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08:43:47pondlifeOops, sorry
08:44:07pondlifeI thought idle was automatic once you were back at boost level 0
08:44:32amiconnnope
08:44:40pondlifeOK, me learny
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08:44:45amiconnWe have 3 frequencies, idle, normal and boosted
08:45:07amiconncpu_boost() usually switches between normal and boosted
08:45:36LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DynamicCPUFrequency
08:45:47LinusNpondlife: maybe you can update that page with the new API
08:45:52amiconnThe idle frequency is selected (with a separate function) only if there's really very little to do, e.g. during radio or USB mode
08:46:15pondlifeLinusN: The API hasn't changed, has it?
08:46:26amiconnBut for some tests its very convenient to be able to select idle freqency manually
08:46:43Teknomancerwhat is boost? i'm hearing it all the time ..
08:46:43LinusNpondlife: i see lots of calls to a function called cpu_boost_id()
08:46:49pondlifeAh
08:46:49Teknomancersome c++ library for ?
08:47:01pondlifeThat will be going shortly.
08:47:06amiconnBtw, now USB in rockbox never works for me in rockbox. Have to use cowon bootloader USB everytime
08:47:10LinusNTeknomancer: it's when we change the CPU frequency to the maximum
08:47:20pondlifeI needed the IDs while playback.c had 3 different boost causes. They have now gone
08:47:31pondlifeSo __FILE__ will do that automatically instead
08:47:41pondlifeAssuming GCC always supports that.
08:47:46Bagderit does
08:47:47amiconnOn X5, that is
08:47:52Bagderpondlife: even __FUNCTION__
08:48:06LinusNpondlife: then maybe we could remove the cpu_boost_id() function?
08:48:06pondlifeThanks, I didn't know about that one
08:48:09pondlifeYes
08:48:16LinusNamiconn: interesting
08:48:18pondlifeIt will be #defined out
08:48:35amiconnUSB logo appears, but I don't get a connection
08:48:35pondlifeSo I'll keep my tracking and it'll be automatic
08:48:40TeknomancerLinusN ah okay
08:48:50LinusNamiconn: so it's probably a missing ack somewhere
08:49:07pondlifeSo what did I change in the boost screen? Did I remove a cpu_idle_mode call? If so that was unintentional.
08:49:24pondlifeNM, I'll check
08:49:30LinusNpondlife: well, you removed an explicit set_cpu_frequency() call
08:49:35pondlifeAh
08:49:51pondlifeI would think it better if those aren't used by the UI, if possible.
08:49:58pondlifeThe API should just be as per the wiki
08:50:12amiconnWell, the debug menu is the debug menu
08:50:16LinusNexactly
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08:50:52amiconnLinusN: Strangely, USB mode works on iriver
08:51:00LinusNhmmm
08:51:10amiconnCan't test on H300 because battery is flat, but on H140 it works
08:51:27pondlifeUSB works 100% for me on H300 (apart from bootloader which is 0%)
08:52:28amiconn...even with menu & folder voicing enabled (so it's not what I suspected first)
08:53:14pondlifeOK, so why should a call to set_cpu_frequency(CPUFREQ_DEFAULT) allow idle, but boosting down to level 0 not? Or am I still misunderstanding (it's early here)
08:53:33amiconnThe latter...
08:53:47amiconnBoosting down to 0 goes to CPUFRE_NORMAL
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08:53:56pondlifeAh, DEFAULT <> NORMAL!!
08:53:59pondlifeGotcha
08:54:06pondlifeDEFAULT = NORMAL or IDLE?
08:54:13amiconnDEFAULT == idle
08:54:30pondlifeRight. Why not CPUFREQ_IDLE then?
08:54:45pondlifeI think I'd have read that correctly.
08:55:09amiconnIt's the default frequency of the CPU when the PLL isn't enabled (yet)
08:56:01pondlifeOK, I've restored that in my upcoming patch.
08:59:26LinusNpondlife: don't you have cvs commit access?
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09:00:02pondlifeYes, but I also have a modified debug_menu.c here. I could just fix it, but am almost ready to scrap cpu_boost_id anyways
09:00:30*pondlife wonders how big an atom is
09:00:33LinusNok
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09:00:59pondlifeNah, you convinced me.. Quick fix coming sooner
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09:04:39anrdewmelHi
09:04:57Teknomancerhey anrdewmel
09:05:20anrdewmeli am trying to download the vmware file from here
09:05:30anrdewmelhttp://download.rockbox.org/vmware/Debian-2.7z
09:05:46anrdewmelbut it isnt coming down, and I am wondering if it is me, or the server?
09:06:00anrdewmelall else on the internet seems fine.....
09:06:14LinusNanrdewmel: works for me
09:07:00anrdewmeljust tried it again, no response
09:07:04LinusNodd
09:07:25Teknomancerworking here
09:07:38LinusNmust be the l0ser filter
09:07:44anrdewmel:)
09:08:00pondlifeNope, I can get it
09:08:03pondlifeSo not that
09:08:04LinusNlol
09:08:08peturhahaha
09:08:08*Bagder giggles
09:08:26anrdewmeljust tried pinging rockbox.org and i did miss a couple of packets
09:08:52Bagderrockbox.org is a different server on a different network
09:09:05anrdewmelbut working again now, as is download.rockbox.org
09:09:29amiconnBagder: Did you see my question from last night?
09:09:37Bagderno
09:11:59anrdewmelhmmm, I can get a directory listing of download.rockbox.org/vmware/
09:12:16anrdewmelbut when I click on Debian-2.7z it hangs
09:15:40vrhttp://mikachu.ath.cx/Debian-2.7z
09:15:45vrit's a mirror
09:15:55vr10mbit
09:16:08anrdewmelthanks vr, coming down now.
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09:20:15vranrdewmel: thx Mikachu for the mirror ;)
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09:23:19amiconnBagder: What does the build master do within the ~4 minutes after the distributed build itself ended?
09:23:41amiconnWithin that time, a new build doesn't start when there was a commit, it's delayed
09:24:33Bagdernothing
09:24:44Bagderit waits for the threads and then finishes
09:25:16Bagderthen wait for 60 seconds and checks for cvs changes
09:25:25Bagderover and over
09:25:30amiconnFrom http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/dbg-2006-10-16%2018:27:16.log :
09:25:31amiconn292 buildtime = 292 292292
09:25:31amiconn292 mv dbglog "output/dbg-2006-10-16 18:27:16.log"
09:25:31DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn
09:25:31amiconn488 all done.
09:25:55amiconnI wonder about the difference between 292 and 488
09:26:25Bagderit shows the host being pretty loaded at the time
09:26:38amiconn3 minutes?
09:26:39Bagderit builds the table, it builds a source archive
09:26:53Bagderobviously, yes
09:27:15amiconnThe table is already built at that time, at least that's what I observed
09:27:29Bagdernot really
09:27:37Bagderit is the first thing built after the 292 time stamp
09:27:53Bagderthen it runs the tools/release script
09:27:58amiconnah
09:28:18amiconnCouldn't the source archive packaging run in parallel with the distributed builds?
09:28:19Bagderand that seems to have run very slow at this time
09:28:26Bagderyes it could
09:29:22Bagderbut in normal circumstances it shouldn't be this noticable
09:30:02amiconnIt's often very noticeable
09:30:17amiconnLook at the 2 latest rows on http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
09:30:31JdGordonBagder: just letting you know ive reformatted my computer again, and havnt set up the rbclient account yet, hopefully this doesnt afect the builds at all
09:30:35vranrdewmel: Just for information, the VMware dev platform woks well on qemu ;)
09:30:49BagderJdGordon: it'll just keep trying your host...
09:31:06amiconnTime difference between the 2 builds was 15 minutes although the build itself only takes ~7 minutes and I committed my change while the first buid still ran
09:31:49CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
09:31:49*amiconn wonders why JdGordon reformats that often
09:32:08JdGordoncoz im a format-aphiliac.. duh!
09:34:56Topic"uncle Rockbox have use for YOUR superfast build server!" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
09:35:14peturhave use?
09:35:29Bagderme and my crappy language
09:35:35peturoh ok
09:35:48Bagder:-)
09:36:18Bagderbut I do think you can say so
09:36:36Bagderor maybe I'm just too low on coffee
09:36:54*Bagder heads for a refill
09:37:08*pondlife wants tea ,white, no sugar
09:37:24pondlifeActually make that needs tea
09:37:45*petur suddenly remembers he left his tea at home :(
09:37:57*pondlife e-mails petur some tea
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09:38:13pondlifeCan't let a chap die of thirst now.
09:38:18*petur prints email, shreds paper and tries to make tea of it
09:38:29pondlifeMmm, infusion of inkjet
09:39:07*pondlife is glad his e-mail included a large magenta square
09:39:31*petur notes the printer was a b&w laser
09:39:41pondlifeurgh, toner :(
09:39:51pondlifeCough splutter hack
09:40:09LinusNbetter order some lapsang toner
09:40:25pondlifeAnyway, maybe one for Bagder: what type would __FUNCTION__ be best represented as. It doesn't seem to like char *
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09:40:59pondlife"discards qualifiers from pointer target type"
09:41:02pondlifeconst!
09:43:14Bagdercorrect
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09:43:58pondlifeHmm, do we not have strstr?
09:44:01pondlifestrcasestr?
09:46:23Bagderwould anyone mind if we stopped shipping the .tar.gz version of the source and only did the tar.bz2 ?
09:46:38Bagderhow do the windows tool deal with that?
09:46:44TeknomancerBagder not me
09:46:44Bagdertools
09:47:04*petur checks
09:47:07Paul_the_Nerd7-zip handles it just fine, as far as I'm aware, and that's rather widely available for windows
09:47:10Teknomanceru mean windows apps that handle bz2 ? WinRAR is capable of opening bz2 i think ..
09:47:18TeknomancerPaul_the_Nerd its free too right ??
09:47:23Paul_the_NerdIndeed
09:47:33Paul_the_NerdMore free than WinRAR
09:47:36Teknomancerthen shouldn't be a problem if we release just bz2
09:47:43Teknomancerwe can also point them to 7-zip site ;)
09:47:49Slasherii think anybody wanting sources probably just uses anonymous cvs instead
09:47:55Paul_the_NerdSince 7-zip is LGPL if I recall
09:48:08Paul_the_NerdSlasheri: It's surprising how many people download the source archive, actually.
09:48:13Paul_the_NerdAnd then reapply all their patches.
09:48:19Slasherihmm, interesting..
09:49:24Bagderok, so no more .tar.gz of the sources
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09:55:14Bagderthe size difference is qute significant:
09:55:22Bagder6936571 vs 8865853
09:55:39Bagderthis morning's package
09:56:54Bagderhahaha
09:57:04BagderI love the stupid wiki spammers
09:57:14Paul_the_NerdHmm?
09:57:24Bagderfiling spam in the comment, already before having been granted writer permission
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09:58:38BagderI wonder if that file attachment in WebHome is a twiki bug
09:59:01Bagderit appears a new attachment there every now and then
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10:12:31markunBagder: with 7zip 6204974 vs 6936571 from tar.bz2
10:12:44Bagderyeah, but 7zip is not very widely used
10:12:57Bagderso I hesitate to go there
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10:19:38KalthareI have to admit, I haven't yet quite become comfortable with extracting 7zips at the command line.
10:20:15Bagderme neither
10:20:26Bagderbut I blame their choice of command line options partly
10:20:36markunnot much different from extracting a rar file at the command line
10:21:05Bagder... and I certainly don't like rar ;-)
10:21:14markun;)
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11:23:56amiconnBagder: Filzip (another freeware zip tool for windows) doesn't handle bzip2. But since you need a unix-like dev environment anyway (cygwin, vmware etc) I don't think that's a problem
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11:26:52Paul_the_NerdWell, with Replaygain, Crossfeed and 5 bands of equalizer while viewing the audio thread on a 128kbps MP3 it seems to just *barely* break even. 100% boost, but the PCM buffer seems to be averaging out at not moving up or down.
11:27:23Paul_the_NerdThis is with the dual core patch, btw.
11:27:25Paul_the_NerdOn a Nano
11:27:45dan_aPaul_the_Nerd: How does it cope without the patch?
11:30:09Paul_the_Nerddan_a: Can I safely use a normal build without the patch, or do I need to use a normal bootloader too?
11:31:32Paul_the_NerdThough I did just get the "whitenoise bug" I think.
11:31:40Paul_the_NerdBut that's unrelated to the patch.
11:32:29dan_aYou can use a normal build as long as it's later than CVS 2006-08-04, IIRC (whenever I commited the bootloader change to CVS)
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11:34:03Paul_the_Nerddan_a: Okay, I'll test momentarily then
11:37:35Paul_the_Nerddan_a: Seems to be almost exactly the same.
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11:39:14dan_aSo the dual core patch seems to be doing something, but not working properly. My current theory (based on what I've seen and what people have said) is that all threads are being run on both cores
11:39:28dan_aI'll try something to test that later.
11:40:02Paul_the_NerdAt least playback works.
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11:43:57Paul_the_Nerddan_a: Interestingly, my boost counter is ridiculously high.
11:44:11Paul_the_Nerddan_a: While running your patched build, it's hit 1500 and counting...
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11:47:44dan_aPaul_the_Nerd: Which CVS have you patched against? There were changes to how unboosting is done in the last couple of days
11:48:13webguest25i have a Studio 10 which wont boot, gives me "hard Disk error" then shuts down, but works fine when connected to my pc via usb
11:48:29Paul_the_Nerddan_a: Patched against a CVS checkout from like, 20 minutes ago
11:49:15webguest25anyone have any suggestions on how I could get it to boot ?
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11:57:13pondlifeIn case anyone's interested, I've updated the CPU boost tracker to scrap the CPUBOOSTID stuff. It's at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6200 - I hope the use of #defines is ok - it doesn't seem to break any builds here.
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12:10:49tucozAnyone with a ipod around?
12:11:01Paul_the_NerdYessir
12:11:18tucozIs this description correct? http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-370004.1.4
12:11:35tucozof the virtual keyboard. That there is a picker area and a line edit mode
12:12:10Paul_the_NerdTucoz
12:12:13tucozyes
12:12:58Paul_the_Nerdtucoz: Scrolling moves the cursor Up/Down, Prev/Next moves it left/right. Moving it off the bottom or top moves it into the line edit area.
12:13:22Paul_the_NerdPrev/Next cannot get you into the line edit area, only scrolling can.
12:13:27tucozI am changing that table to use the Action codes.
12:13:59Paul_the_NerdOther than that, I believe the description is correct.
12:14:08tucozdo we need two tables for that? Or is it fine to fit it in one table?
12:14:28Paul_the_NerdI think it's okay
12:14:36tucozWith one table?
12:15:13tucozI'll make it one table
12:15:29Paul_the_NerdWell, all you need to do is say "Scroll Fwd/Back: Moves the cursor up/down" "Prev/Next: Moves the cursor left/right" "Select: While in keyboard, inserts highlighted letter. While line is selected, deletes previous letter."
12:15:44tucozyes. thanks for the help :)
12:16:06Paul_the_NerdThough that does make the assumption they'll see that it's logical to move "down" or "up" into the line-select field, but that can be noted.
12:16:18Paul_the_NerdAlso, that screenshot isn't from a nano, if that matters.
12:16:38Paul_the_NerdOh wait, it is
12:16:51Paul_the_NerdMy font's just bigger because I'm using iCatcher at the moment for some reason
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12:17:56tucozPaul_the_Nerd, I'll try to write something understandable in the table.
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12:19:53tucozhi
12:21:36anrdewmelwas having a problem getting the cvs in vmware, but I think I have that bit licked now....
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12:46:12Teknomanceri am CURSED
12:46:24Teknomancerevery rockbox build i try hangs :(
12:46:25Teknomancerman
12:46:33Teknomancerand i try once every few months or so
12:47:45D_Ci should probably update mine
12:48:06Paul_the_NerdTeknomancer: What player do you have?
12:48:14TeknomanceriRiver H340
12:48:24Paul_the_NerdYup, you're cursed.
12:48:36Teknomancerfirst i NEED to get a new theme or something the default one SUCKS so bad :(
12:48:46Teknomanceri can hardly see what i'm pressing ...
12:49:00Paul_the_NerdAs far as I'm aware, there aren't known freeze bugs in the official CVS build on H3xx right now.
12:49:44D_Cdefault theme for iriver version isnt that bad
12:50:07Paul_the_NerdTeknomancer: It includes iCatcher, you could always try switching to that for now.
12:50:16TeknomancerPaul_the_Nerd k
12:50:29TeknomancerD_C yeah i'm just angry at my luck
12:50:38D_Cwhats the chance of getting a pdf viewer in rockbox
12:50:58Paul_the_NerdD_C: About the same as the odds of one of the people who actually *wants* one standing up and coding it.
12:51:02D_Cor are most of them not powerful enough
12:51:33Soap_OutOfTownD_C - PDF supposedly looks horrible on the new sony ebook with 10x the screen realestate
12:51:37Paul_the_NerdI imagine if it ever were done, it'd take a bit to render the page, yes.
12:51:49Soap_OutOfTownPDF looks bad on my 320x320 palm, pilot.
12:52:10Soap_OutOfTownwhat you want is a simple HTML ebook reader, imho.
12:53:30D_Cmaybe
12:53:34Soap_OutOfTownI even have adobe's official reader for the palm, and have yet to find a non-100%-text document which is useful on it.
12:54:44D_Ci have some ebooks in pdf id like to read them on my iriver but i guess thats not gonna happen
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12:55:23Soap_OutOfTownI read books exclusively on my palm, HTML is the way to go.
12:56:20Soap_OutOfTownthe advantages of PDF (1:1 screen to page display) are wasted and a hinderance on a portable device.
12:58:20Bagderps2ascii! ;-)
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13:10:14Teknomancerk seems to be working fine now...
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13:33:29JdGordonwow! alot less FAILED's then i thought :p
13:33:51tucozwhat is preferred. Disk spin up, or Disk spin-up?
13:34:25amiconnJdGordon: More button action woes :(
13:34:29JdGordonoh?
13:34:43tucozI am running aspell with British English, to make the language more uniform.
13:34:47amiconnBooting into rockbox from the charging screen doesn't work on player (and presumably also on recorder)
13:35:40JdGordonyour going to need to be a lot less vaig (spelling?) than that... i dont have any archos players remember?
13:35:49tucozboot loader/bootloader/boot-loader?
13:36:05MbS(vague =0p)
13:36:19Teknomanceroh man :( my default firmware is now become SUPER bright :(
13:36:21Teknomancerman
13:36:26tucozI think boot loader is the correct word
13:36:42amiconnThe charging screen used to allow booting into the standard rockbox ui with ON
13:36:53peturTeknomancer: iriver h3x0?
13:36:58Teknomancerpetur yeah :(
13:36:58Bagdera boot loader sounds like something that fills your shoes
13:36:59amiconnNow it doesn't react on any button
13:37:17Teknomancerafter i installed rockbox, i have NO idea how the default firmware's LCD became so bright even at the lowest setting
13:37:18tucozBagder, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_loader#Boot_loader
13:37:19Teknomancerthis is bad :(
13:37:32peturTeknomancer: reset settings in the original firmware
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13:37:46Teknomancerpetur hmm, k
13:37:51tucozshould we have abbreviations such as CVS in lower or upper case?
13:37:56Bagdertucoz: I'd guess on that too, english likes to write words apart
13:37:58Teknomancerpetur it went back to korean
13:38:03Teknomancerpetur then i switched back to english
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13:38:27Teknomancerpetur AH Yes,
13:38:29TeknomancerCOOL,
13:38:32JdGordonamiconn: where is the code for the charging screen? screens.c?
13:38:33Paul_the_Nerdtucoz: You can get away with calling it bootloader though because any new thing you create can be called whatever you want. We could just as easily call it the glovedumper if we really wanted to, I should think.
13:38:37anrdewmel../tools/configure
13:38:38MbSthe default fw's settings gets corrupted every now and again by rb
13:38:40Teknomancerusing "Load Default" worked!!
13:38:46Teknomancerpetur thanks so much man :)
13:38:47anrdewmelbugger wrong window :)
13:38:51peturTeknomancer: you can save your iriver settings to file and reload in case it happens again
13:38:52preglowit is boot loader, afaik
13:38:58MbSthe values go out of the fw's usual range
13:39:00amiconnHmm, I was slightly wrong. Now it reacts on ACTION_STD_OK (which is a short press on Play)
13:39:12amiconnJdGordon: Yes, screens.c charging_screen()
13:39:13Teknomancerpetur ? u mean rockbox settings?
13:39:22preglowyou should seldomly concatenate words in english, contrary to what we (or those who know the rules anyway) do in scandinavia
13:39:28MbSTek: iRiver too
13:39:30JdGordonbutton = get_action(CONTEXT_STD,HZ/3);
13:39:30JdGordon if (button == ACTION_STD_OK)
13:39:31JdGordon rc = 2;
13:39:34tucozPaul_the_Nerd, hmm. I understand what you mean. But, to keep it simple and consistent, I want to use the same spelling everywhere and then maybe the english word is the best to use.
13:39:39TeknomancerMbS how can i save it to a file in iRiver?
13:39:53peturTeknomancer: iriver saves the settings in eeprom. in rockbox you can read/write this eeprom
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13:40:08tucozpreglow, I think I'll go for boot loader. But, what do you say about CVS vs. cvs?
13:40:13amiconnJdGordon: Yes, but ACTION_STD_OK is the wrong button
13:40:18Teknomancerpetur oh, understood, so where in Rockbox do i do that?
13:40:27JdGordonamiconn: so change the button?
13:40:31preglowtucoz: can't see any reason not to use CVS
13:40:39preglowtucoz: it isn't a word, after all
13:40:39tucozthanks. I'll do that
13:40:42tucoznah
13:40:44tucozhehe
13:40:51MbSTek: Dump rom contents in Info>debug
13:41:17peturTeknomancer: menu -> info -> debug -> dump rom (or something like that) , it creates two files, you can delete the biggest one.
13:41:22peturdamn lag
13:41:31MbSTek: and Write back EEPROM to reload them
13:41:32tucozbut in general. What should I use. Spin-up/spin up, re-program/re program?
13:41:37Teknomancerpetur okay thanks, next time i boot RB i will do that,
13:41:42TeknomancerMbS oh .. that's a risk
13:41:50Teknomanceri don't like to meddle with the ROM :(
13:41:54JdGordonamiconn: which action do you wwant to use there? or do you want to put it back to regular button checking because of the few targets which use it?
13:41:54tucozhmm. there is a word called reprogramme
13:41:59peturEEPROM, not rom
13:42:11Teknomancerpetur yes i know
13:42:23Teknomancerso each time i must rewrite the eeprom?
13:42:24peturit just writes to the chip that stores the settings - no harm
13:42:32amiconnJdGordon: That's probably the main question. I think inventing an extra context just for the charging screen would be overkill
13:42:37MbSTek: no, just if there's a big problem
13:42:42peturno, just an option when they get bad again
13:42:48*petur shi=uts up
13:42:54TeknomancerMbS ok but "Load Default" is working
13:42:55peturshuts even
13:43:00Teknomancerso i think using that would be enough
13:43:05peturyes
13:43:07amiconnI didn't check yet whether we have a context with a suitable action assigned to ON
13:43:21Teknomancerbut if things get reaaally bad i'll can reinstall the firmware
13:43:25Teknomancer1.29k
13:43:37peturTeknomancer: that won't help
13:43:56preglowtucoz: if we go with american english, it's reprogram
13:44:00Teknomancerpetur i meant reinstall the firmware, not rockbox
13:44:04tucozwe go with british
13:44:09Teknomancerfirmware installation rewrites EEPROM
13:44:15peturTeknomancer: indeed. that won't help
13:44:24Teknomancerpetur why not?
13:44:30preglowtucoz: no, it's reprogram anyway, afaik
13:44:38peturTeknomancer: no it doesn't write to eeprom, it writes to flash
13:44:39Teknomancerpetur that also does load defautls as well
13:44:43JdGordonamiconn: the ipod uses that screen also... so maybe it does need a new context
13:44:43tucozok. thanks. inoperational ?
13:44:51MbSTek: I have a clean and patched fw, a clean cvs build and a proper ROM dump saved in a folder for emergencies. Just move whatever you need to the root and you're set again
13:44:55Teknomancerpetur ah but i think it rewrites the settings also
13:45:20peturTeknomancer: if things really go wrong, just use the write eeprom feature of rockbox
13:45:22TeknomancerMbS k,
13:45:30Teknomancerpetur ok
13:45:43Teknomancerthx MbS petur ..
13:45:49Teknomancerletting it charge now, be back later
13:45:59peturand if you don't have a copy, somebody can always give you their dump
13:46:02amiconnJdGordon: iPod uses the charging screen? That's odd...
13:46:18JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/screens.c.diff?r1=1.160&r2=1.161
13:46:28MbSjust think of it as another wonderful safety feature. If the stock gets corrupted beyond use the eeprom can save it
13:46:33amiconnThe charging screen is meant for targets which can't be shut down completely _when rockbox is flashed_
13:46:58peturMbS: it's just that rockbox is the source of the corruption :(
13:47:08JdGordoni dunno... the CONFIG_KEYPAD is cchecked for ipod in that diff... so it looks like its used...
13:47:08amiconnSo it should only really be included on archos player and recorders atm
13:47:15*petur never uses original firmware anymore
13:47:36*MbS doesn't either and thinks it's still in korean
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13:48:23MbSI've been meaning to ask this here: Why can't rb shutdown while charging anymore?
13:48:48MbSis it for the iPods
13:48:49MbS?
13:48:57peturMbS: because it would just boot again because of the external power
13:49:19peturrockbox doesn't have a charge screen/mode
13:50:00MbSso it would go to the stock charging. which is fine with me.
13:50:02JdGordonspeaking of which.. is there any work on changing the h3000 bootloader to not use the OF for ac charging? or do we still want that as a safty thing?
13:50:56MbSi'd have thought that charging with the player on would be worse for the batt
13:50:59JdGordonhehe h3000!
13:51:00peturthe new bootloader will no longer boot into original firmware... just waiting on Linus...
13:51:32peturI meant on AC insertion of course
13:51:35amiconnImho we should fix the charging control on h300 first
13:53:55MbSWhat's wrong with it? Didn't iRiver just use the hardware too?
13:54:48amiconnThe charging circuit can be programmed to either low or high current
13:55:05JdGordonwhat is it currently?
13:55:14amiconnRockbox doesn't handle that yet, so we're always charging with low current
13:55:23amiconn-> takes ages compared to retailos
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13:55:42PaulJamamiconn: do you mean usb charging or with the charger?
13:55:54MbSIsn't that another reason to let it power down and have the stock charge?
13:57:23Genre9mp3amiconn: I get the same charging time (about 3 hours - full charge) with both rockbox and retailOS
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13:59:09amiconnPaulJam: I thought it applies to both. For USB charging it definitely applies
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14:00:09Rob2222amiconn: This onlz affects USB charging i think. i charge since 10 month onlz over rockbox AC
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14:00:15PaulJami haven't noticed longer charging times in rockbox with the charger
14:00:25petursame here
14:00:48peturI think it's only usb charging
14:01:07Rob2222but an "unit off while charging in rockbox" mode would be nice
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14:01:43Rob2222at least like a standby in the iriver fw
14:02:40Genre9mp3Speaking of USB charging... what about #4770 ?
14:02:50*Teknomancer starts up rockbox again
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14:07:47webguest30hi, I'm trying to learn c, and I can't figure something out (very nooby, I fear). can anyone hear help me?
14:08:10Bagderthere's no question so we can't answer
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14:09:05Teknomancerwebguest30 ask, and we'll see if we can help
14:09:28webguest30ok. in the book I'm lerning from, it shows me how to make a program that terminates when getchar() returns EOF
14:10:04webguest30but I don't know how to input this, so it doesn't terminate
14:10:26Bagderrockbox has no getchar()
14:10:58TeknomancerBagder i dont think webguest30 is even doing RB related development ....
14:11:11Bagderperhaps, but then this is not the right channel
14:11:11webguest30yea, well I'm learning from a book right now
14:11:37webguest30where can I look for an answer?
14:11:50Bagderin a "learn C" forum somewhere
14:11:52Teknomancer in #cnewbie or ##c++ or #c++newbie
14:12:21webguest30I'll try those. thanks anyway
14:12:28Teknomanceryw
14:12:59peturRob2222: there's no such thing as 'standby': it either runs or it doesn't. And you can't charge while not running.
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14:13:56peturyou could switch cpu to idle speed and show a fancy picture, but that won't help much
14:14:07Rob2222petur: yes, but iriver had somthing like standby, when you press OFF while charging. at least this mode consumed less power then "on withou play"
14:14:41peturnot much probably
14:15:21peturand what's the use anyway. You can't switch off when full
14:15:59Rob2222petur 56mA instead of 113mA
14:16:24Rob2222well ok, good question.
14:16:35Rob2222:)
14:16:37peturok, so switch to idle cpu freq
14:17:26*petur wonders if we don't do that when not playing and just sitting in the browser/menu
14:17:50*MbS goes to check
14:18:05peturprobably not. radio does it
14:18:42*JdGordon kisses (in the most hetero-suxually way possible) whoever fixed the scedular... my menu patch isnt holding the cpu boosted anymore :D
14:18:50*MbS forgets where his H300 is......
14:19:12petursuxually? :)
14:19:18Rob2222lol
14:19:21JdGordonactually.. im not sure if what its doing now is any better tho... seems to keep booting and unboosting straight away
14:19:24Rob2222ok, im afk
14:19:27JdGordonbah typos
14:19:36Paul_the_NerdMy iPod currently gets a boostcount somewhere in the 800-1500 range. =/
14:19:49Paul_the_NerdIt appears the COP patch doesn't like something.
14:19:54JdGordonhaha
14:20:27*petur hums along the tune of copkiller
14:20:29Paul_the_NerdI was actually most surprised when it suddenly *stopped* increasing the boost count.
14:21:01JdGordonbeer time.. then drunken debugging :D
14:21:36*petur will join JdGordon in about 6 hours :D
14:22:39amiconnRob2222: As long as we don't put rockbox in flash on H300, there is no point in having a charging screen
14:22:54amiconnThe reason is that we need to load from disk anyway
14:23:26amiconnAll we could do is to put some kind of charging screen in the bootloader, but I don't think that'd be a good idea
14:24:32LinusNi believe we should have a charging screen in the bootloader
14:24:34peturthe only advantage would be that you can attach/detatch AC and not have to press OFF afterwards to stop the player
14:25:07LinusNwe need to handle the charger anyway, to implement car adapter mode properly
14:25:08peturdetach even
14:27:42amiconnLinusN: Car adapter mode doesn't need special handling as long as we don't flash
14:27:59peturjust boot rockbox on AC
14:28:07amiconnAll it needs is to start / stop playback when charger is present/absent
14:28:09peturhint hint hint :)
14:28:09LinusNit does, since inserting the charger starts the OF
14:28:41amiconnYes, but that only needs adjustment in the bootloader
14:28:54amiconn...independently of car adapter mode
14:29:01*petur still wonders why double-clicking on starts OF as well
14:29:17LinusNyes, and then we need to handle charging as well, since the battery may be too low to boot rockbox
14:29:36LinusNpetur: it's an effect of the anti-bricking protection
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14:30:36LinusNit powers off if the ON button isn't held when the boot loader starts
14:31:15LinusNbut then it has already set the cookie in IRAM
14:31:20LinusNit is actually a bug
14:31:30peturfor me it's a feature ;)
14:31:43peturnot that I boot OF a lot
14:32:35peturbrb
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14:52:05w1ll14mHi i am william, and i would like to have write permissions on the wiki
14:54:12tucozw1ll14m, hold on
14:54:59tucozw1ll14m, try now
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15:02:07tucozwtf. what happened to the wiki?
15:02:43tucozI get a error 500 now
15:02:51MbSit was grand 10 mins ago
15:03:00tucozyes
15:03:06peturhave seen it before, just try again
15:03:10MbSwas it that guy who just asked for access??
15:03:18tucozhehe
15:03:42tucozi get nervous when i add a guy for write access, and 5 minutes later the wiki goes down.
15:03:54tucozah, back
15:03:55w1ll14mthanx
15:04:10tucozw1ll14m, no problem
15:04:13w1ll14m:)
15:04:19MbS*whew* i thought all you needed was to sign up for access
15:04:56tucozyou have to get write permission as well. We have had lot's of spam earlier on
15:05:03peturhehehe nice bug in this heading: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/17/nvidia_linux_graphics_bug/
15:05:16petur"Nvidia rooted by Linux graphics bug"
15:05:46tucozi don't get it
15:06:04tucozshould it be the other way around?
15:06:13peturI think so
15:06:19tucozhehe
15:06:27peturbut they'must have written it like that on purpose
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15:10:03lostlogicit'd been so long since I made a functional commit, I'd forgotten to check the build table :-P
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15:17:49w1ll14mrockbox is finaly a real reason to buy a ipod 5g hehehe :)
15:18:45*JdGordon back
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15:38:59JdGordonamiconn: have u decided how you want to fix the charging screen?
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15:49:18anrdewmelis there some kind of file that describes how the metronome.c file is put together, or am I going to have to work harder to understand C?
15:49:49peturI fear the latter
15:50:06peturif there's nothing in the wiki about it
15:50:19dan_aThe plugin API page in the Wiki will probably help a little
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15:51:36anrdewmeldan_a, can you link to that page for me please?
15:52:09peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
15:52:20Teknomancerk bye guys
15:52:30Teknomancercu later anrdewmel (maybe at MR ;) )
15:52:30PaulJampondlife: damn, it seems as if i was wrong and your patch didn't cause the whitenoise problem. i have just had the problem with a sim from 1. aug.
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15:53:10anrdewmelthanks petur, that is the sort of thing that will let me get started, some kind of roadmap
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15:54:08pixelmabarrywardell: around?
15:54:21PaulJampondlife: it seems as if i was wrong and your patch didn't cause the whitenoise problem. i have just had the problem with a sim from 1. aug.
15:56:15pondlifeWell, that's a bit of a relief. I couldn't see how that particular commit could cause chaos.
15:56:38pondlifeHave you tried CVS with lostlogic's latest, by the way? He may have fixed whitenoise too.
15:57:48PaulJami have tried with the patch on the tracker before he comitted, and got whitenoise.
15:58:13pondlifeOK, I think it;s the same as the CVS commit.
15:58:24pondlifeSo can you go back further than 1 Aug?
15:58:30pondlifeI assume so...!
15:59:16PaulJamyes, but i have to do the tests on the target, because audio in the sdl sim was broken before 1. august
15:59:20pondlifeI tried to repro again, with no voice file, but could not.make it fail.
15:59:37pondlife:( And you will start to hit other playback bugs too I expect
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16:01:21pondlifeBetter do a large binary search then - maybe start in early March..
16:01:43PaulJamon the two test (1, with voicefile and 2. with the changes to playback.c) i did yesterday i got whwitenoise too, but only at second try
16:02:12pondlifeIt definitely seems to be intermittent at best here.
16:07:06PaulJami wonder why i didn't notice the problem before. i have often used the random folder at end of dir function (patch).
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16:17:41pondlifePaulJam: I thought it only occurred if you let playback stop naturally - i.e. end of playlist or album?
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16:17:45anrdewmelthanks all, managed to get my first compile done tonight, and am starting to understand one of the plugin files :)
16:19:33PaulJampondlife: with the random folder function it happens too, at least in newer builds.
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16:20:46pondlifeWhat about the CVS with "auto change dir" enabled?
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16:23:31PaulJami don't know what happens if it is set to on. i have always set it to random in normal use.
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16:28:12webguest59Archos Studio10: There is a long delay between actual shutdown and button press, is this supposed to be like this ?
16:29:14webguest59it takes about 5- 10 seconds to shutdown once 'shut down' has been selected in the menu
16:30:52webguest59infact after timing it, it takes 25 seconds to shutdown once 'shutdown' has been selected
16:31:22webguest59Bagder, Linus, amiconn, Dragon ^^
16:31:38godzirrawow.
16:31:43godzirrathats a long time.
16:32:13webguest59yep sure is, at first I thought I was doing somethign wrong
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16:48:52Bagderyou're probably user #2 of a recent rockbox on the player
16:49:00Bagder:-)
16:49:16Bagder#1 being amiconn
16:49:20Bagderand #3 doesn't exist
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16:49:49preglowhaha
16:51:00amiconn[16:48:28] <@Bagder> and #3 doesn't exist <−− I doubt that...
16:51:17Bagderwell, my scientific research isn't completed just yet
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16:52:42barrywardellpixelma: here now
16:53:47preglowwho would want to use such a thing?
16:53:56preglowthat display would freak me out
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16:55:20tucozbarrywardell, did you keep the fixme because you didn't know what to do with it, or because the section needs to be fixed?
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16:57:47amiconnpreglow: I have 8 rockboxes to choose from. I often choose the player for in-car use
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16:58:25barrywardelltucoz: because i thought maybe it needed to be fleshed out a bit
16:58:49tucozok. that's fine
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17:02:52PaulJampondlife: do you think the whitenoise and stopping could be related to the commits on 15 May 02:37 and 3 Jun 17:23? i just tried with auto change dir set to yes with a cvs build on target and the first track of the second album is now at 7:22/5:52 .
17:03:18pondlifeHang on, I'll take a look
17:04:56pixelmabarrywardell: got my PM?
17:05:47barrywardelljust noticed now
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17:07:48pondlifePaulJam: I wouldn't think it was those. Did you find that a version from before May worked ok? Or did you mean the current CVS is working ok now?
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17:10:34PaulJami haven't yet tested a build from before august. i'll do that later. this was just a guess.
17:11:46pondlifeOK
17:11:47PaulJamwith a current cvs version and autochange dir to yes i had the whitenoiseproblem already at the first track of the second album
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17:12:02pondlifeThought so.
17:12:43pondlifeThe track end detection has been reported before, seems to be another symptom of the same problem (alongside white noise)
17:13:08pondlifeI've just got to reboot again. Be right back.
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17:22:52webguest22Hello !
17:23:08webguest59ello
17:24:04*webguest59 wonders where the drinks for the guests are
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17:24:22webguest22If I want to buy a new device exclusively for Rockbox, what is the 'best' device to buy in terms of rockbox support, hd size and power ?
17:24:25webguest79hi
17:25:02Genre9mp3webguests: How hard is to type a nick? :P
17:25:07peturwebguest22: I think iaudio x5
17:25:34*petur doesn't know about x5 battery life
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17:27:07Genre9mp3petur: I would say H300
17:27:36peturonly if you replace the HDD and maybe battery
17:27:44webguest59X5 is still in production and available in shops
17:27:51peturindeed
17:28:01Genre9mp3petur: Why replace the battery?
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17:28:52Genre9mp3I get 20 hours with stock battery on my H340
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17:29:05Genre9mp3with rockbox of course
17:29:17Genre9mp3cause with retailOS I get about 16
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17:33:53*Genre9mp3 hates X5's sub-pack... USBOTG is much more difficult for X5 to ever work in Rockbox, LCD is smaller compared to H300
17:34:04Genre9mp3that's why I would say H300 over an X5
17:36:35petursure, but the OP talked about HDD size and battery, not screen size or subpack
17:37:05peturI looked at x5 and h300 and took the iriver
17:37:14peturtoo bad iriver stopped it
17:37:28peturand didn't create the h360 and h380
17:37:49Genre9mp3I missed the "hd size" part... but then again, what's wrong with H300s battery?
17:38:17Genre9mp3I think battery life is longer on H300 than on X5
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17:38:23peturif you're opening it for a hdd, you can do the battery upgrade too
17:39:12Genre9mp3yes ok.. but still the stock battery can give you 20 hours with Rockbox (except if its old)
17:39:18Genre9mp3I think that's more than enough
17:39:48peturgtg
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17:40:45amiconnBattery runtime in rockbox on X5 is not yet what it should be
17:40:53Genre9mp3indeed
17:41:05Genre9mp3AFAIK, it's slightly less than retailOS
17:41:41luckzI haven't had any complaints about the battery in the last few months
17:41:53luckzvery early X5 versions were extremely bad there, yes
17:42:21luckz17:38:17 < Genre9mp3> I think battery life is longer on H300 than on X5 <- there's the X5L for battery life.
17:42:56Genre9mp3X5L has a 2250mAh battery, though
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17:45:59amiconnluckz: Yes, but rockbox still consumes more cpu power than it should, leading to higher boost ratio -> shorter battery runtime
17:46:09amiconnon X5, that it
17:46:16amiconns/it/is/
17:46:18luckzsure it does.
17:46:23luckzbut I'm not majorly bothered by it right now.
17:46:44luckzwhat does bother me is that either my playlist or the shuffling of said playlist is broken
17:46:55luckzbecause all my X5 lately does is play iron maiden songs.
17:47:01*Genre9mp3 would like to see an X6 or something from Cowon in the future, though (since iriver changed their strategies)
17:47:13luckzwith?
17:47:23luckzjust more HD? any fancy new features?
17:48:19luckzoh, does anybody have a good suggestion regarding a theme I could use for in the car? factors are occasional extreme sunlight & that it should be possible to control the thing as quickly as possible to minimize traffic risks
17:49:34pondlifeTurn on voice?
17:49:51Genre9mp3luckz: A theme with big font maybe?
17:49:55pondlifeNo need to look at the screen then
17:50:08luckzI usually only change tracks at traffic lights
17:50:26pondlifeWhat if you *really* hate a track...;-)
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17:50:37luckzbut I'd just like to see as much info as possible quickly. differently-coloured backgrounds tend to get really uncool with sunlight.
17:50:52luckzthen I use one hand to switch tracks while keeping my eyes on the road, usually? :p
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17:53:14luckzbut yes, are there any themes popular here with track number, album name, possibly genre, volume as number instead of graphical display?
17:53:22luckzbig fonts sadly are a real pain when browsing menus
17:53:50Genre9mp3have you checked the wps gallery to find out if there is one you like?
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17:56:00luckzI browsed the x5-specific gallery long long ago and changed a few things about S3T_003, but the background there (girl at beach) is really bad when combined with direct sunlight
17:56:23*Genre9mp3 would like to have an option to select different font for the remote btw
17:59:10pixelmaluckz: I think you could also search the H100 wps gallery... the files there should work (and a background picture isn't so common with these) ...or make your own wps
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18:05:48barrywardellwhat does \optv{} do in a manual build?
18:06:50bluebrotherbarrywardell, it's the same as \opt but it's needed if you use \verb (or anything that uses \verb).
18:07:06bluebrotheropt breaks with verb.
18:07:30barrywardellah, ok. thanks
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18:37:08psiborghrm, i have serious problems with exiting some applications
18:37:17psiborgright now i'm stuck in some image viewer :)
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18:44:49bluebrothertucoz, the player manual is broken :(
18:45:05bluebrotherhas the player the pitch screen?
18:46:24bluebrothercan someone tell me the keys for the pitch screen on the player?
18:47:54barrywardellpsiborg: what device do you have
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19:00:29tucozbluebrother, right. I haven't tried to compile that
19:00:49tucozbluebrother, I couldn't find pitch screen action codes for the player
19:01:09tucozso I assumed that that feature was not included in the player builds
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19:02:28tucozamiconn, ping
19:04:01LearHm.. Is there really any point in building doom for the h1x0?
19:06:07Soap_OutOfTownIt has been ported to the TI-83 line of calculators, so why not ;)
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19:06:51tucozi think the point of building doom for the h1x0 is more valid, than the point of building rockboy for the recorder.
19:07:18psiborgbarrywardell: it's an ipod nano
19:07:37LearJust thought that playing doom with 4 shades of gray would be a tad ... boring... :)
19:07:50psiborgi did get to the menu somehow and i've exited, but i don't think i could reproduce this reliably :)
19:08:12tucozI tend to agree. And probably quite impossible as well.
19:08:39*Soap_OutOfTown is paranoid about trashing DAP buttons playing games.
19:08:49barrywardellpsiborg: SELECT+MENU brings up the menu
19:08:49pixelmaLear: I think it uses the greyscale library so a bit more than 4 shades of grey...
19:09:00LearAh...
19:09:02psiborgbarrywardell: why isn't that just menu?
19:09:14LearHaven't actually tried it myself...
19:09:19tucozpixelma, do you know if the player has the pitch screen?
19:09:55pixelmatucoz: sorry, no I don't
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19:10:58barrywardellpsiborg: because when scrolling around the jpeg, menu moves up
19:11:51psiborgi think exiting an application is more important than scrolling done the right way :)
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19:14:03tucozOk. current fix to the player manual is to not include the pitch screen in that.
19:14:41tucozbbl
19:15:16barrywardellpsiborg: possibly. i don't own an ipod so can't really comment
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19:25:50amiconntucoz: Pitch isn't possible on the player, so you're right
19:26:51amiconnLear: Doom on H1x0 and the greyscale ipods uses the grayscale library, so it uses 33 shades of grey
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19:28:36amiconnrockboy on recorder was mainly an experiment. It's currently way too slow to be playable, and the major downscaling doesn't make things better
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19:29:06amiconnIt might be possible to gain some speed by optimising the cpu emulation core
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19:32:30amiconntucoz, bluebrother: In fact pitch would technically be possible on the player, but the allowed range would be so small that it wouldn't be worth it (iirc around 3% _in total_ - and the range is asymmetric, and depends on the sample frequency).
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20:24:32tucozamiconn, thanks for the information.
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20:54:19dan_a(or more accurately, the protocol)
20:54:42preglowyou're on the flash already?
20:55:40dan_aMrH has reverse engineered 3 things so far - the buttons, the LCD, and the flash. We've not got a driver for the flash yet...
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20:56:29preglowdidn't he do a writeup on that as well?
20:56:59dan_aHe did; that's what I'm working from.
20:57:25dan_aAnd taking a crash course in the SD protocol in order to understand it!
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21:03:54netmasta10btdan_a: i ran your e200 stuff on my sansa last nite, works great
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21:04:18dan_anetmasta10bt: Excellent news :D
21:04:28netmasta10btyes thanks very much
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21:06:25netmasta10btwhat is the adc stuff used for?
21:08:03dan_aI hoped that the Sansa would use the same adc as the H10 - it might be used for things like monitoring the battery level. It seems it's different, though
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21:40:19bluebrotherdoes someone know how to search for all tasks in FS where I'm on the notification list?
21:40:51dan_aIsn't that something like search for "tasks I'm watching"?
21:41:51dan_a"Tasks I watch" from the dropdown list in the top left of the tracker index page.
21:43:13Genre9mp3^ of course you have to login first for that option to show up
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21:49:19BossierI have a quick question, would the boosting changes in the 20061016 build address the frequency scaling issue with 4g ipods?
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21:51:55bluebrotherdan_a, something like this −− but I haven't found anything in FS.
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21:53:13lostlogicBossier: which issue was that?
21:53:54Genre9mp3bluebrother: have you login to flyspray and still you can't find that option?
21:54:08bluebrotheryes.
21:55:12Genre9mp3Weird...I get these options: All tasks/Tasks assigned to me/Tasks reported by me/Tasks I watch
21:55:23Bossieron my ipod mini1g it would freeze up during playback at at times, there is a patch that corrects this but my ipod has playback issues with that patch applied on the 1016 build. I looked at the changes and saw alot about cpu boosting so I thought maybe my problem was that I applied a patch for a problem that build just addressed.
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21:59:07Bossierbtw, you guys are great! I tried rockbox after finally giving up on seeing mpd work on ipodlinux. everything else on linux worked, but if mpd doesn't work.....well, that's why I bought an ipod to begin with
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22:00:24Bossierhi
22:00:26bluebrotherGenre9mp3, found it. I didn't look _there_
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22:09:03lostlogicBossier: I don't think that the boosting stuff on 10/16 would have fixed or changed any kind of freezeups on the ipod4tg
22:09:53anrdewmelHi, I am wondering what you guys are using to edit .c files? When I open them up in notepad the lack of linebreaks makes it very difficult to navigate
22:10:12PaulJamuse notepad2
22:10:58Bossierif you're a student you can get visual studio and all sorts of neat things for this.
22:10:59PaulJamor any other editor that can handle unix lineendings
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22:11:23lostlogic... vi... is there another editor that I should be aware of?
22:11:25lostlogic(vim to be precise)
22:11:51bluewormemacs ;)
22:12:34Bossieris there a good place to get equalizer preset files?
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22:13:08dan_aanrdewmel: I use TextPad Pro on Windows. vi in Linux.
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22:15:52anrdewmelrighto, I have installed Notepad2, and it looks like I can read it. :) Now for my first changes.
22:17:02bluebrotheranrdewmel, I prefer gvim. But it might be a bit unintuitive. Rockbox files use unix line endings and mostly everything except notpad can read that.
22:17:29*bluebrother uses gvim even on windows
22:17:42pixelmabluebrother: regarding keytables in the manual... shouldn't the key for "show menu" (if there's a plugin specific menu) be listed, too? (I'm looking at solitaire.tex right now)
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22:19:45bluebrotherpixelma, indeed, it should. It's also present at least for the sudoku plugin
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22:22:58pixelmaah alright - I will add it then :)
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22:36:58stripwaxello
22:37:12anrdewmelhey stripwax
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22:39:02stripwaxsaw a couple of unusual problems with a cvs build from today - permanent cpu boosting on ipod 5g, and keypresses in the "audio thread' debug info page doing weird things (skipping tracks etc but unable to exit the info page). Are those known problems?
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22:47:38amiconndan_a: The flash in the Sansa uses the SD protocol?
22:47:56dan_aamiconn: According to MrH, yes
22:48:22amiconnMaybe you can reuse some bits of the Ondio MMC driver
22:48:37amiconnMMC and SD are similar
22:48:43Bagder"the mystery SanDisk chip located near the NAND chips is actually a custom SD <-> NAND bridge/device controller"
22:48:50dan_aI'm planning to use what I can
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22:49:18amiconnThe MMC in the Ondio uses the SPI interface though, but I think you can reuse some command stuff
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22:50:02amiconnThe bad thing about SD is that it is rather closed. MMC is more open, although the full official specs cost money
22:50:30dan_aFortunately there is some open documentation on SD.
22:50:40Bagderthere's also SD/MMC support in linux
22:50:53dan_aI've never done anything remotely like this before, though.
22:50:57BagderI don't know if it helps though
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23:03:09anrdewmelwoot, made my first variable, and put some text, including that variable, on the screen in the metronome plugin
23:03:24anrdewmelnow to make it do something useful :)
23:03:41dan_aWell done!
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23:30:57astronutanyone running on an iRiver H10?
23:31:14BHSPitLappyanrdewmel, did rockbox already have a metronome plugin? I can't remember
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23:32:02Arathisastronut: rockbox on h10? yes for me
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23:32:21astronutArathis: how well is it working? wiki says lots still not supported yet
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23:34:07Genre9mp3BHSPitLappy: yes, it has
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23:34:30BHSPitLappyit's been too long since I've had/used rockbox
23:34:45Genre9mp3why's that?
23:34:56Arathisastronut: it works fine. recording and fm radio isn't supported yet and you might get problems when using a WPS with peakmeter or playing a game while playing music because the second cpu isn't in use yet (as far as I know)
23:35:09astronutWPS?
23:35:19PaulJamwhile playing screen
23:35:21Arathisyou could have a look at the rockbox section for the h10 on misticriver.com
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23:36:38astronutsomething seemed to indicate it can dualboot?
23:36:50astronutArathis: the only thing is i maintain easyh10 for debian
23:36:50astronutheh
23:37:04astronutdo i get ogg support w/ rockbox?
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23:37:13Arathisyou do
23:37:21astronutnice
23:37:23astronuti'll have to try it out someday
23:37:34astronuti just hope i don't totally fuck up my player
23:37:45Arathisdualbot isn't supported yet if not commited today
23:38:02astronutoh, ok, just on other players?
23:38:11astronutyou on 20 or 5/6?
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23:38:49Arathisyou can't brake your player at all though you just put the .rockbox folder, the rockbox.h10 file and the modified bootloader (.mi4) on it
23:38:59ArathisI'm on 20g
23:39:04Arathis+b
23:39:27Arathisbut as long as you don' use a pure model you won't get any problems
23:39:30astronutand if rockbox fails, the next time i turn it on, it won't load, and i can't revert it
23:39:41astronutpure?
23:39:44astronutand i'm also on 20gb
23:40:18astronuttrying to decide how much i want recorder/radio
23:40:21astronutit's worth a try at least
23:41:28astronutthe screenshots in the manual look ugly as sin
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23:44:49astronutah, sweet, the boatloader stays
23:44:51astronutnice
23:47:17anrdewmelBHSPitLappy, there is a metronome, I want to beef it up a bit. I would like to add a beats per bar chime, and the ability to swing the beat, if I have the skill
23:49:26Arathisastronut: "pure" means without radio. a special version of the 5/6gb. radio *could* be implemented quite fast if someone would do it, 'cause the code is mostly written for the H3x0 and just needs to be modified
23:50:36myzarwhere are all the programmers?
23:50:45myzarwhere are all the rockboxers!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:50:48myzarWRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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23:52:20*petur hands myzar the troll of the day badge
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23:54:14myzari'm not trolling
23:54:23myzari'm just letting out my depression in the irc channel
23:54:27myzar:'(
23:55:25dan_amyzar: What do you need programmers for?
23:56:06myzaroh, i don't personally
23:56:13myzarjust asking ;p

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