| 00:00:03 | Mikachu | yw |
| 00:00:10 | sawo | maybe this guy is updating the site or something.. |
| 00:01:03 | Kitt0s | 4g is ipod color\photo right? |
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| 00:05:26 | sawo | Kitt0s ya |
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| 00:08:32 | Kitt0s | so is this |
| 00:08:33 | Kitt0s | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 |
| 00:08:36 | Kitt0s | only for 5g?:'\ |
| 00:09:58 | lini | Output is 1764 bytes larger than max (233456) |
| 00:10:22 | lini | heh, so i guess this means no more trying to optimize the build to fit the limit |
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| 00:16:05 | Kitt0s | $ ../tools/configure |
| 00:16:05 | Kitt0s | bash: ../tools/configure: No such file or directory |
| 00:16:08 | Kitt0s | what is that?! |
| 00:16:32 | lini | make sure that you are in the correct folder |
| 00:16:50 | Kitt0s | i am |
| 00:16:56 | Kitt0s | made rockbox dir |
| 00:17:00 | Kitt0s | then put the source there |
| 00:17:02 | Kitt0s | then cd rockbox |
| 00:17:10 | Kitt0s | then ../tools/configure |
| 00:17:18 | stripwax_ | no - make a build dir first |
| 00:17:19 | lini | you need to make a build folder first |
| 00:17:22 | stripwax_ | then cd to the build dir |
| 00:17:31 | lini | inside the rockbox folder |
| 00:17:52 | Kitt0s | ho lol |
| 00:17:52 | Kitt0s | :D |
| 00:18:29 | Kitt0s | when do i add the patches? |
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| 00:19:00 | stripwax_ | when? before you build |
| 00:20:02 | Kitt0s | after ../to...configure? |
| 00:20:38 | scorche | before |
| 00:20:43 | Kitt0s | crap :\ |
| 00:20:50 | scorche | it doesnt matter really |
| 00:20:53 | Kitt0s | ho ok |
| 00:21:14 | stripwax_ | after, before, doesn't matter. before you run "make" |
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| 00:22:48 | yipe | hi rockboxers ت |
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| 00:23:45 | stripwax_ | lo |
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| 00:24:22 | yipe | I have been having SUCH a tough time with my ipod lately |
| 00:24:30 | yipe | now the battery doesn't seem to be charging right |
| 00:24:37 | yipe | I've had it like a month |
| 00:24:50 | stripwax_ | what does "charging right" mean to you? |
| 00:25:31 | yipe | when I plug the ipod in, the battery should charge, if I leave it plugged in all night, it should be fully charged the next morning, giving it the power to play music for at least a couple hours |
| 00:26:52 | yipe | my expectations of the battery and charging are not being met |
| 00:27:01 | stripwax_ | Rockbox doesn't implement the USB charging parameters fully meaning it will charge only very slowly when charging over USB when running rockbox. So for now you can either charge from a 12v wall adapter, or boot to the apple firmware or disk mode and charge over usb. |
| 00:27:14 | yipe | ahhhhhhhh |
| 00:27:28 | yipe | that makes a big difference |
| 00:27:41 | stripwax_ | At least until someone figures out how to reverse engineer the usb charge current for the (undocumented) chipset |
| 00:27:53 | yipe | okay |
| 00:28:14 | stripwax_ | out of interest, what are your "expectations" for rockbox? ;-) |
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| 00:28:57 | yipe | I realise rockbox isn't perfect, but I wanted to bypass the annoying apple DRM, I didn't want to use ID3 tags, I wanted to play .ogg and .flac |
| 00:29:30 | yipe | I can handle occasional freeze-ups, or crashes, that doesn't bother me |
| 00:29:58 | yipe | but when my battery dies at night, and I plug it in, and the next morning the battery is STILL so dead it can't even boot the ipod, that's a problem |
| 00:30:04 | yipe | but now I know about the USB thing |
| 00:30:16 | stripwax_ | ok. cos battery life (in particular on ipod) is currently not very long under rockbox (at least compared to apple os) |
| 00:30:29 | yipe | I've noticed |
| 00:30:37 | stripwax_ | (but this can only get better as more work is carried out) |
| 00:30:46 | yipe | and read about it in the FAQ |
| 00:31:22 | yipe | is the rockbox.ipod the only file I need to change to update to the newest daily build? |
| 00:31:52 | stripwax_ | no....... |
| 00:32:03 | stripwax_ | you download the .zip file, and you unzip it (all of it) |
| 00:32:08 | yipe | okay |
| 00:32:19 | stripwax_ | the zip file contains probably a couple hundred files.. |
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| 00:32:30 | yipe | will the themes and wps's I put on there stay, or will I have to reload them? |
| 00:32:38 | stripwax_ | they'll stay, don't worry |
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| 00:33:25 | stripwax_ | the daily builds include rockbox.ipod (the main operating system) and the .rockbox folder which contains all the plugins (which must match the version of rockbox.ipod). |
| 00:33:36 | yipe | okay |
| 00:33:43 | petur | and the codecs of course |
| 00:34:16 | stripwax_ | right. in my mind codecs are still plugins ;-) |
| 00:34:30 | petur | in a way yes ;) |
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| 00:36:15 | stripwax_ | anyone else think the key bindings for minesweeper on ipod are basically awful? wheel for up/down, select+down to select, up to quit ... ?? |
| 00:37:06 | courtc | What would you suggest? |
| 00:38:35 | stripwax_ | left/right for left/right for starters. select to flag, long select to clear/mine, hold to quit |
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| 00:39:25 | courtc | See, that sounds worse to me. |
| 00:39:26 | stripwax_ | or maybe just select to clear/mine, long select to flag, but clear/mine old happens when you release the button. |
| 00:39:34 | stripwax_ | Hm, why is that worse? |
| 00:39:53 | courtc | Why not use the wheel? |
| 00:40:02 | stripwax_ | wheel for up/down seems completely unnatural to me (but then I play Jewels a lot, and wheel is left/right) |
| 00:40:25 | stripwax_ | when I said left/right for left/right I meant up/down for up/down of course .. left/right work fine currently |
| 00:40:27 | courtc | Yea, wheel => left/right seems more appropriate. |
| 00:41:22 | stripwax_ | which leaves up/down for up/down. and left and right are then unused? also left and right work fine in jewels as left and right .. |
| 00:41:40 | courtc | wheel for left/right with wrap seems easiest. also with some heuristics to make sure that you can only select active mine spots. |
| 00:42:12 | courtc | left/right/down are for music playing ;) |
| 00:42:19 | courtc | menu is quit. |
| 00:42:50 | stripwax_ | Not while playing any games I know of .. select+menu is often quit but menu on its own is pretty uncommon. |
| 00:43:08 | stripwax_ | especially for any games where up/down/left/right directional controls are natural! |
| 00:43:24 | stripwax_ | maybe it's just me. |
| 00:43:40 | courtc | Well, I come from ipodlinux, and personally have never used rockbox. |
| 00:43:53 | stripwax_ | Really? You should try it sometime! |
| 00:44:19 | courtc | Not very interested in the actual os, however the code interests me :) |
| 00:44:27 | stripwax_ | :-) |
| 00:44:56 | stripwax_ | I'd love to have spare time to get some secrets out of the apple os.. |
| 00:46:26 | courtc | Yes, it does take a lot of spare time.. and patience... |
| 00:47:02 | stripwax_ | Ooh.. anyone happen to know if the fact that the ipod (5g) display looks kinda "interlacy" is just a feature of the ipod or if there is some hardware setting that we aren't using properly yet? |
| 00:47:08 | stripwax_ | (i've not used retailos) |
| 00:47:18 | stripwax_ | looking 'interlacy' in rockbox that is... |
| 00:50:19 | stripwax_ | courtc - actually does ipodlinux look that way? |
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| 00:50:56 | courtc | It's probably the fact that you aren't using the BCM. |
| 00:51:22 | courtc | It's probably the same for ipodlinux, but I don't own an ipod video. |
| 00:51:43 | courtc | We use the same lcd functions though. |
| 00:53:23 | jhMikeS | petur: I think I'm going to do what you suggested and release changes using master mode for recording as before. The issues are proving thorny and can be worked out separately. |
| 00:53:24 | stripwax_ | courtc - I don't really know - I sortof thought we were using the BCM but only in the sense that we're shipping the entire framebuffer to the BCM which is just driving the lcd. Maybe i'll try retailos and see how that happens to look. |
| 00:57:17 | petur | jhMikeS: I think it's the best way to go. Don't try to change too much in one go |
| 00:57:38 | petur | I'll try to test as much as I can |
| 00:58:11 | jhMikeS | petur: LinusN called me "chicken" for it! :p |
| 00:58:36 | petur | hmmmm... he rarely does that ;) |
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| 00:59:10 | jhMikeS | It's proving quite elusive...such a little bit of code too. No maybe I'm not really. |
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| 01:00:09 | jhMikeS | petur: He did some work on it today and no definitive answers. |
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| 01:01:22 | * | jhMikeS will see reason and chicken out temporarily. :) |
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| 01:13:28 | l0de | Hello sirs, I am looking to find out if any progress has been made on 5.5g 80gb ipods. |
| 01:13:53 | scorche | then go check the thread ;) |
| 01:14:45 | l0de | Which thread? |
| 01:15:23 | scorche | the 5.5g thread in the forums |
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| 01:16:24 | l0de | now searching through the site to try and find that thread |
| 01:17:03 | scorche | if you have read the posting guidelines and the stickies at the beginning of each thread. you wouldnt have to search |
| 01:17:12 | yipe | when I plug in the ipod, what does this weird battery with a lightning bolt symbol mean? That it's charging the battery? That the battery is dead (it is)? What? |
| 01:17:27 | scorche | charging |
| 01:18:22 | l0de | scorche- my purpose for entering this channel was to rapidly communicate with another person and obtain information quickly, not to run some kind of forum-browsing gauntlet, totally defeating the usefulness of irc as a means of person-to-person chat. |
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| 01:19:01 | scorche | gauntlet? |
| 01:19:16 | l0de | For instance on this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7027.0 you post that there is a thread with the information the user needs, but you do not link to it. |
| 01:19:22 | scorche | like i said...if you had read the guidelines and stickies, it would take you 2 seconds to find the thread... |
| 01:20:35 | scorche | i didnt because it was obvious that they had not read the guidelines/stickies and they should learn to find out for themselves so they wouldnt have to rely on me every time they needed something |
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| 01:21:29 | yipe | why won't my ipod stay connected for more than a couple seconds? |
| 01:21:37 | yipe | it's driving me up the wall and I might stab someone... |
| 01:22:07 | * | jhMikeS will shoot anyone that tries to stab him |
| 01:22:09 | linuxstb | yipe: Have you enabled disk mode in itunes? |
| 01:22:10 | scorche | yipe: what is your problem? |
| 01:22:34 | * | petur wonders about the violence in the channel |
| 01:22:47 | yipe | in disk mode, when I plug in my ipod, it mounts for..... 5, maybe 10 seconds, then disconnects, then re-connects.... then disconnects... |
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| 01:22:53 | * | scorche pushes petur to the ground and runs off |
| 01:23:14 | * | jhMikeS squeezes one off into the air |
| 01:23:28 | * | petur still sits on his chair and wonders what scorche is writing about |
| 01:23:39 | * | preglow starts busting caps |
| 01:23:56 | yipe | or, alternatively, it disconnects, and then goes to that battery with a lightning bolt mode |
| 01:24:07 | l0de | Is anyone besides scorche familiar with the 5.5g thread and able to give me a link to it? I'm having difficulty locating it. |
| 01:24:12 | * | petur wonders about the smell the channel *looks at jhMikeS* |
| 01:24:20 | * | scorche wonders what there is to wonder about what i am writing about |
| 01:24:23 | midkay | l0de: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.0 |
| 01:24:29 | yipe | the thing has been plugged in all day, something is wrong, terribly, terribly, wrong |
| 01:24:29 | midkay | at least that should be it.. |
| 01:24:35 | l0de | Thank you midkay. |
| 01:24:41 | * | jhMikeS *ahhhh* nothin' like that smell |
| 01:24:45 | l0de | That's the one. |
| 01:24:50 | midkay | latest progress seems to be pretty much no progress. |
| 01:24:52 | yipe | I've only had this ipod for like a month |
| 01:25:01 | linuxstb | yipe: Have you enabled disk mode in itunes? |
| 01:25:11 | yipe | I use linux, there is no itunes |
| 01:25:20 | jhMikeS | ok bunches of things compiled good :) |
| 01:25:54 | linuxstb | yipe: I've never had problems like that. Which ipod do you have? |
| 01:25:55 | l0de | midkay- yeah, scanning over it now. |
| 01:26:00 | yipe | 5G |
| 01:26:04 | yipe | video, 30gb |
| 01:26:38 | l0de | midkay- which one do you have, the 30 or the 80? |
| 01:26:56 | linuxstb | yipe: Is your battery charged? Maybe your USB port isn't supplying power? |
| 01:27:02 | midkay | i have a 5G 60gb. |
| 01:27:09 | yipe | no, it's not charged |
| 01:27:22 | linuxstb | That would explain the disconnects I guess. |
| 01:27:23 | yipe | that's my main problem, WHY isn't it charging |
| 01:27:54 | linuxstb | Are you connecting directly to your PC, or via a hub? |
| 01:28:00 | yipe | directly |
| 01:28:24 | linuxstb | You could try a different port, maybe they don't all provide power. |
| 01:28:25 | l0de | Is it a laptop or a standard pc? |
| 01:28:34 | yipe | desktop, x86 |
| 01:28:39 | yipe | running Ubuntu Linux |
| 01:28:42 | l0de | How old is it? |
| 01:28:50 | yipe | ehh, 3 years? |
| 01:28:52 | yipe | maybe 4 |
| 01:29:14 | l0de | Hmm |
| 01:29:16 | l0de | Thinking. |
| 01:30:08 | l0de | I'm assuming you don't have another machine to test on? |
| 01:31:45 | linuxstb | yipe: How have you been charging it in the past? |
| 01:32:01 | yipe | the only way available to me, with the USB cable |
| 01:32:22 | l0de | I hate that the new ipods just come with that cable. |
| 01:32:36 | l0de | How much does the wall adaptor thing cost? |
| 01:33:34 | yipe | no clue, but I know I can't afford it, I'm a TA |
| 01:35:02 | l0de | Here's a tip on getting one for free, call around to hotels and ask if they have one in their lost and found |
| 01:35:15 | l0de | I used to work at a hotel and we had about three dozen that no one ever came and got. |
| 01:35:17 | yipe | lol |
| 01:35:18 | scorche | that is stealing |
| 01:35:22 | l0de | Same with phone chargers. |
| 01:35:23 | yipe | I should try that |
| 01:35:31 | * | yipe is a religion student |
| 01:35:40 | yipe | and I'm totally willing to try that :P |
| 01:35:48 | l0de | Scorche- the items are never reclaimed. They are eventually hucked out. |
| 01:35:59 | scorche | that doesnt matter |
| 01:36:05 | scorche | it is claiming something that isnt yours to claim |
| 01:36:07 | l0de | Because most people just buy a new one rather than going to the cost of having one shipped to them. |
| 01:36:28 | yipe | hey, I'm a religion student, and I say it's okay |
| 01:36:40 | l0de | Scorche, if we follow your logic, the item is never used, and eventually discarded. By my logic, someone uses the item, and is happier. |
| 01:36:44 | l0de | Which one is morally right? |
| 01:36:46 | yipe | taking what would be thrown out has a long and noble tradition behind it |
| 01:36:56 | * | petur wonders what religion that could be :p |
| 01:37:01 | yipe | just ask the two-by-twos |
| 01:37:03 | l0de | Judaism :D |
| 01:37:16 | scorche | the point is, you dont know if it will be thrown out or not |
| 01:37:19 | yipe | shalom l0de |
| 01:37:24 | l0de | shalom indeed friend |
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| 01:37:34 | scorche | if they are going to throw it out for sure, i dont have an issue with it |
| 01:37:54 | l0de | if the hotel I worked at is any indicator, most hotels will have 5-10 of these things on hand at any given time |
| 01:38:01 | l0de | Same for most brands of phone chargers |
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| 01:38:13 | l0de | that assumes the hotel doesn't throw them away immediately though. |
| 01:38:21 | scorche | and it is a possibility that all of them will be claimed |
| 01:39:18 | l0de | If an item is not claimed within 2 days, 95% of the time or more, it will not be reclaimed |
| 01:39:32 | scorche | but there is stil a possiblility |
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| 01:39:50 | l0de | Which makes the likelyhood he is taking someone else's item very miniscule. |
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| 01:39:59 | scorche | i dont have an issue if you ask for one, but claiming it would be wrong ethically |
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| 01:40:28 | scorche | regardless, i am busy atm, and this isnt #ethics...do what you will ;) |
| 01:41:29 | pagefault | hmm |
| 01:41:36 | pagefault | my SPC plugin is almost done |
| 01:41:55 | pagefault | I don't think it will work on slower than 70mhz ARM players |
| 01:42:11 | preglow | spc???? |
| 01:42:13 | preglow | snes? |
| 01:42:16 | pagefault | yes |
| 01:42:17 | * | preglow hugs pagefault |
| 01:42:25 | preglow | mmmmmmm |
| 01:42:34 | pagefault | it is very resource intensive |
| 01:42:42 | preglow | no surprise there |
| 01:42:51 | pagefault | i've done my best to optimise it |
| 01:43:07 | preglow | i'll help out :P |
| 01:43:09 | pagefault | you will probably have to turn off all EQ and effects |
| 01:43:11 | preglow | btw, what core do you use? |
| 01:43:16 | pagefault | just to play without skipping |
| 01:43:29 | preglow | openspc? |
| 01:43:56 | pagefault | PP5020 |
| 01:44:03 | preglow | i mean what lib |
| 01:44:05 | pagefault | oh |
| 01:44:07 | pagefault | libopenspc |
| 01:44:14 | pagefault | but updated to the latest sources |
| 01:44:21 | preglow | well, we'll get it running |
| 01:44:21 | pagefault | so it is almost bit accurate |
| 01:44:24 | pagefault | to the real thing |
| 01:44:29 | preglow | i've got a bunch of snes music i want to listen to |
| 01:44:48 | pagefault | I could have use another lib but it would not sound as good |
| 01:44:55 | pagefault | but it would have been faster |
| 01:44:58 | pagefault | I figured people wanted quality |
| 01:45:03 | preglow | indeed they do |
| 01:45:29 | pagefault | some music will skip |
| 01:45:37 | pagefault | mainly FF6 music |
| 01:45:43 | pagefault | that I have tested so far |
| 01:45:47 | pagefault | it should be fine on a faster ipod though |
| 01:45:50 | pagefault | I only have an H10 |
| 01:45:55 | pagefault | and only one core is active |
| 01:45:58 | godzirra | FF6 music? |
| 01:45:59 | preglow | as long as ff6 music plays well, i'll be perfectly content |
| 01:46:00 | godzirra | why would that skip? |
| 01:46:00 | preglow | heh |
| 01:46:09 | godzirra | (Granted I've just came into this conversation and missed the rest of it :) |
| 01:46:09 | preglow | that and chrono trigger |
| 01:46:11 | pagefault | FF6 uses a lot of SPC crazyness |
| 01:46:18 | godzirra | Ah. My FF6 music works fine. |
| 01:46:20 | godzirra | but its ripped from a cd. |
| 01:46:31 | pagefault | it just takes more cpu to make it play |
| 01:46:37 | godzirra | what is SPC? |
| 01:46:38 | pagefault | it uses echo and gain effects |
| 01:46:55 | pagefault | SPC is the CPU on the chip |
| 01:46:58 | preglow | pagefault: long until you'll post a patch? |
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| 01:47:09 | pagefault | the SNES has a SPC/DSP unit for sound |
| 01:47:11 | godzirra | ahh |
| 01:47:20 | pagefault | preglow, maybe a week or so |
| 01:47:24 | pagefault | I want to add tag support |
| 01:47:36 | preglow | cool, cool |
| 01:47:46 | preglow | consider posting a preliminary patch for testing :> |
| 01:47:49 | yipe | I love video game music |
| 01:47:51 | pagefault | I am not happy with what I have right now |
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| 01:48:14 | pagefault | I really hacked it into the source |
| 01:48:27 | yipe | nobuo uematsu and yoshinori mitsuda |
| 01:48:30 | pagefault | it has to be cleaned up a lot |
| 01:48:46 | preglow | yipe: damn straight |
| 01:48:58 | preglow | yasunori, btw :> |
| 01:49:03 | pagefault | I think I may steal some code from zsnes |
| 01:49:11 | pagefault | we have a sample caching code |
| 01:49:22 | pagefault | so once a sample is decoded it is saved and cached |
| 01:49:25 | pagefault | it speeds things up a lot |
| 01:50:16 | pagefault | right now every sample has to be processed when it plays |
| 01:50:26 | yipe | I think my cable is broken or something :( |
| 01:50:37 | yipe | my ipod just won't stay connected |
| 01:50:56 | pagefault | my brother has 5th gen ipod |
| 01:51:00 | pagefault | but he won't let me touch it |
| 01:51:06 | pagefault | he is afraid I will ruin it |
| 01:51:24 | yipe | well.... mine worked perfectly until I installed rockbox on it.... |
| 01:51:34 | yipe | and then everything went straight to hell |
| 01:51:34 | preglow | pagefault: sounds like caching might eat a lot of ram |
| 01:51:47 | Mikachu | preglow: but you don't need to buffer 30MB of mp3s when playing spc |
| 01:51:54 | pagefault | I am told there is IRAM on the ARM chip |
| 01:52:01 | pagefault | so I can put it there |
| 01:52:18 | Mikachu | iram is the smallest of all the memory available |
| 01:52:26 | pagefault | it doesn't need much |
| 01:52:27 | yipe | and I really really really wanted rockbox |
| 01:52:32 | yipe | but it's just not working for me |
| 01:52:35 | pagefault | 20k max |
| 01:52:36 | preglow | Mikachu: i don't think you can use mp3 buffer ram |
| 01:52:37 | linuxstb | You have 48KB of IRAM on the ipods (and other swcodec targets). |
| 01:52:47 | preglow | Mikachu: that would mean preprocessing an entire spc at load time |
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| 01:52:58 | Mikachu | preglow: what if you made it a plugin instead? |
| 01:53:00 | yipe | unless everything can be blamed on this cable |
| 01:53:07 | Mikachu | although i suppose that would be less useful |
| 01:53:08 | preglow | Mikachu: why would we want to make a codec a plugin? |
| 01:53:11 | pagefault | SPC's are 64kb but 32kb is only actual samples |
| 01:53:16 | pagefault | the rest is program code and rom |
| 01:53:17 | Mikachu | preglow: to use the mp3 buffer ram :) |
| 01:53:37 | linuxstb | yipe: Rockbox uses the USB mode in the Apple firmware, so it's very unlikely your problem is related to Rockbox. |
| 01:53:54 | pagefault | it just has to be very fast memory wherever I put it |
| 01:54:02 | preglow | pagefault: sounds like iram would be nice sample storage space, then |
| 01:54:21 | Mikachu | aren't you already using the iram for the codec program code? |
| 01:54:26 | Mikachu | or was that just a part? |
| 01:54:35 | Mikachu | never mind me, i've been away for too long |
| 01:54:36 | yipe | tomorrow I'm going to buy a new ipod USB cable.... |
| 01:54:41 | pagefault | no I am not using iram for program code |
| 01:54:42 | preglow | my guess is using it for samples will be wiser |
| 01:54:44 | Mikachu | yipe: don't you have a friend with one? |
| 01:54:45 | yipe | I hope that solves my problems |
| 01:54:48 | yipe | nope |
| 01:54:57 | pagefault | so |
| 01:55:01 | yipe | at least none that live out here in Estelline |
| 01:55:03 | pagefault | like |
| 01:55:13 | pagefault | it's a challange but I think I can do it |
| 01:55:32 | pagefault | if I can get it running well on my poor H10 |
| 01:55:37 | pagefault | then it should run fine on anything else |
| 01:56:32 | linuxstb | If it's almost realtime without IRAM, then it should be fine once you start using it. |
| 01:56:36 | yipe | I wish I had bought another brand mp3 player :( |
| 01:56:46 | preglow | linuxstb: even on ipod? |
| 01:56:52 | pagefault | linuxstb, it is almost realtime right now |
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| 01:56:57 | pagefault | I am just looking for further optimization |
| 01:56:58 | yipe | but ipods are just so sexy, and they're expensive and everyone knows it.... |
| 01:57:14 | yipe | it's like flashy jewelry but it plays music too |
| 01:57:53 | pagefault | hmm |
| 01:58:04 | pagefault | so my SPC plugin is almost done |
| 01:58:10 | pagefault | I will post something next week hopefully |
| 01:58:19 | pagefault | so I can get some feedback |
| 01:59:09 | pagefault | then I want to try to get the tuner working on my player |
| 01:59:09 | pagefault | heh |
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| 02:00:02 | linuxstb | preglow: Ah yes, maybe not that much on the ipod/h10, but a little. |
| 02:02:45 | * | yipe wants to listen to bbc radio 1's podcast and cannot :( |
| 02:02:57 | yipe | curse you ipod! CURSE YOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!! |
| 02:03:07 | Mikachu | yipe.verbosity−−; |
| 02:03:16 | pagefault | I wish rockbox could play audible |
| 02:03:25 | pagefault | even though that has legal implications |
| 02:03:29 | yipe | what about my verbosity? |
| 02:03:44 | Mikachu | i decremented it by 1 |
| 02:03:50 | linuxstb | pagefault: Is any source available to play audible? |
| 02:04:07 | pagefault | linuxstb, not that I am aware of, but I think the format is documented |
| 02:04:19 | * | yipe /exec yipe -v |
| 02:04:22 | preglow | then there's the drm |
| 02:04:41 | pagefault | yeah |
| 02:04:51 | pagefault | it sucks to not be able to listen to a book you legally purchased |
| 02:04:56 | linuxstb | So does audible have a monopoly on audio books? |
| 02:05:17 | Mikachu | that's some great incentive, if you steal it you can use it anywhere, if you buy it you can't |
| 02:05:51 | pagefault | pretty much they do if you want them at an affordable price |
| 02:05:58 | pagefault | cd's are expensive at amazon |
| 02:06:06 | pagefault | and lots of things you can only find there |
| 02:06:21 | Mikachu | so can't you just recompress it? |
| 02:06:38 | pagefault | thats the current method |
| 02:06:44 | pagefault | you use the directshow filter to transcode |
| 02:06:53 | pagefault | but you lose the chapter markers |
| 02:07:29 | pagefault | or you burn to cdrw and rip it |
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| 02:08:27 | linuxstb | So as usual, DRM just makes things inconvenient for legitimate purchasers, rather than preventing people copying it... |
| 02:08:39 | pagefault | pretty much |
| 02:08:56 | pagefault | I had to take back a cd and I bitched at the people at the store because it wouldn't play in my pc |
| 02:09:18 | pagefault | it didn't say anywhere it can't be played in a pc |
| 02:09:53 | pagefault | they wouldn't give me a refund at first because they claimed I could have copied it |
| 02:10:03 | pagefault | and I was like "if I can't even read it in m pc how do I copy it?" |
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| 02:24:04 | Daemonic | Hi, just installed rockbox on my 30gb ipod video |
| 02:24:12 | Daemonic | i cant figure out a few things... |
| 02:24:16 | Daemonic | anyone help? |
| 02:24:28 | aliask | Ask away |
| 02:24:49 | Daemonic | okay i installed rockbox using an installer i found on ipodwizard forums |
| 02:24:55 | Daemonic | it also installed iplinux |
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| 02:26:30 | aliask | Daemonic: So what's the question? |
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| 02:30:56 | Daemonic | sorry im at work and needed to help someone. |
| 02:31:21 | Daemonic | question is, i cant change rockbox theme, or find ipl on the hard drive while in disc mode to transfer stuff into my home dir |
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| 02:33:06 | TrueJournals | Hate to say this, but since you used an unofficial installer... you probably won't get any help here |
| 02:33:18 | TrueJournals | Unless someone here happens to have used the same one as you... |
| 02:33:21 | Daemonic | well its easier then doing it via all the bin files... |
| 02:33:49 | TrueJournals | lol... true... but you'll probably have to ask over at ipodwizard |
| 02:33:54 | Soap | that's like saying driving to your mailbox at the end of the drive is easier than walking. |
| 02:33:58 | Soap | it's true, but missing the point. |
| 02:34:48 | aliask | For ipl problems, you'll have to ask them, but for the themes issue, what is actually happening? |
| 02:34:51 | Soap | the instructions, esp. for windows, are step-by-step. All you need to do is cut and paste, replacing N with the number you found out in the first step. |
| 02:34:53 | Daemonic | ok well no one else here used the unofficial installer? |
| 02:35:11 | aliask | I don't think the themes issue has anything to do with the installer. |
| 02:35:23 | Daemonic | well in windows my ipod kept messing up cuz of some sysinfo file...so i tried here at work with un official isntaller and it worked. |
| 02:35:48 | TrueJournals | Can you link to the installer you used? I don't have an iPod, but maybe I could look at it a bit and help you out... |
| 02:36:21 | linuxstb | Daemonic: AFAIK, the ipodwizard installer just installs the ipodlinux bootloader, not ipodlinux itself. It's just used to give you a boot menu to choose between Rockbox and the Apple firmware. |
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| 02:36:38 | aliask | Ok, I don't need to know about the installer to help you with the themes problem. What happens when you select a new theme? |
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| 02:38:43 | Daemonic | it keeps using its little grey theme ...the default |
| 02:39:02 | Daemonic | also the installed is the first link on google if u search rockbox installer |
| 02:39:09 | Daemonic | on ipodwizard forums |
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| 02:40:10 | Daemonic | and it did install ipod linux cuz i booted into it and ran demos and stuff |
| 02:41:02 | aliask | Try just changing the WPS. Go into general settings -> display -> browse wps files |
| 02:41:26 | Daemonic | okay |
| 02:42:28 | Daemonic | i clicked a new theme but after it "loads" it gores back to what it was |
| 02:43:06 | TrueJournals | I have a quick question... if I change the splashscreen that shows up to be full screen (the screen that shows up after debug info when booting), do I need to rebuild just the actual firmware, or also the bootloader? |
| 02:44:06 | aliask | TrueJournals: Just the firmware |
| 02:44:19 | TrueJournals | ok, thanks |
| 02:44:21 | aliask | Daemonic: Just change the WPS, not the theme. |
| 02:46:12 | Daemonic | i did |
| 02:46:28 | aliask | And the WPS stays the same? |
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| 02:47:32 | Daemonic | yes |
| 02:47:53 | aliask | Which WPS are you changing to? |
| 02:48:58 | Daemonic | well there are 3...i think the one i changed to was like....began with a B |
| 02:50:21 | aliask | Ok, for simplicity, try changing to iCatcher |
| 02:52:35 | Daemonic | i tried and that stays the samre |
| 02:52:39 | aliask | If that doesn't work, check that the files are all on the player. You should have both a file called iCatcher.wps, and a folder called iCatcher in /.rockbox/wps |
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| 03:17:42 | godzirra | I'm convinced that apple lawyers kidnapped Kalthare. He disappeared. :) |
| 03:18:13 | JdGordon | maybe so... |
| 03:18:19 | JdGordon | more likly aliens tho! |
| 03:18:33 | godzirra | I dunno... he -was- close to getting the 5.5's to work with rockbox ;) |
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| 03:50:34 | Deef | Hello |
| 03:52:16 | Deef | I have a question about the iRiver h340 |
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| 03:52:37 | Deef | Thought some people here would have it |
| 03:53:33 | godzirra | just ask |
| 03:53:36 | Deef | Well my question is, does the USBOTG only let you plug a camera in it and transfer? |
| 03:53:52 | Deef | Or does it actually work as a file manager to any USB stick? |
| 03:53:54 | godzirra | thats pretty much teh definition of USB OTG I thought. |
| 03:54:00 | godzirra | hmm, not sure of that. |
| 03:54:21 | Deef | Trying to decide between a h340 and an iPod |
| 03:54:29 | godzirra | j340 |
| 03:54:31 | godzirra | no contest |
| 03:54:33 | godzirra | *h |
| 03:54:39 | PaulJam | rockbox doen't support usb on the go. for that you have to boot the iriver firmware |
| 03:54:41 | godzirra | I wish I could find a place to buy an h340 that isnt ebay. |
| 03:54:54 | Deef | Yeah, I'm okay with that Pauljam |
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| 03:55:07 | Deef | Yeah... I missed the last h340 a store had last Friday! >_< |
| 03:55:12 | godzirra | Damn, that sucks |
| 03:55:17 | godzirra | I didnt know -any- stores had them anymore |
| 03:55:27 | Deef | That was about the 7th I tried |
| 03:55:35 | PaulJam | and you should check the misticriver forum to see if your camera/usb-stick is supported |
| 03:55:41 | Deef | I tried everything on the list for iRiver Australia |
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| 03:56:09 | Deef | I'm pretty sure the camera is, its Fujifilm, seen it listed I think |
| 03:56:29 | Deef | I more want to know if it can handle data on it, or just pull images out |
| 03:58:03 | PaulJam | you can't directly play or view files from an external device. you need to copy them to the player first |
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| 04:00:13 | PaulJam | but the iriver firmware is a little restricted concerning copying via usbotg, for example you can't select multiple files to copy at once. |
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| 04:03:46 | Deef | ouch |
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| 04:04:37 | Deef | If there's 100 images on the camera, I don't have to tell it to copy each one do I? |
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| 04:04:57 | PaulJam | you can copy directorys |
| 04:05:05 | Deef | ah |
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| 04:05:41 | PaulJam | but it afaik it doesn't copy sudirectorys |
| 04:06:06 | Deef | hmm |
| 04:06:34 | Deef | What do you think, h340 or iPod 5G? |
| 04:08:10 | PaulJam | i'm not sure, but propably i would choose the h340 |
| 04:08:27 | Deef | *nods* |
| 04:09:20 | Deef | Also been wondering about that camera to iPod device they've got |
| 04:09:27 | aliask | It depends on what you want. The H340 is a much better player, but it's plain fat. |
| 04:09:39 | Deef | Yeah, looks aren't a concern |
| 04:09:59 | aliask | Mine wore a hole in my pants because the corner kept rubbing it. |
| 04:10:07 | Deef | lol |
| 04:10:08 | Soap | better in what way? |
| 04:10:09 | aliask | So it isn't purely aesthetic. |
| 04:10:27 | aliask | Line in, line out, usbotg |
| 04:10:35 | Deef | records and has radio |
| 04:10:39 | aliask | The double headphone thing is seriously cool. |
| 04:10:40 | Soap | ipod has line in and line out |
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| 04:10:48 | aliask | Not readily accessible |
| 04:10:55 | Deef | Double headphone thingy really exists? |
| 04:11:00 | Deef | You can plug two sets in? |
| 04:11:04 | aliask | Yes |
| 04:11:06 | Deef | sweet |
| 04:11:17 | aliask | On the H340, one from Line Out, and the other in the regular headphones slot. |
| 04:11:24 | Deef | oh |
| 04:11:30 | Deef | There's a regular slot as well |
| 04:11:35 | Deef | Never knew that lol |
| 04:11:56 | aliask | And I also hate the scrollwheel. |
| 04:12:10 | aliask | (of iPods) |
| 04:12:10 | Deef | I like that thing |
| 04:12:20 | Deef | The copying device for the iPod dumps the raw image on the iPod, no optimizing |
| 04:12:36 | aliask | And that's the way it should do it. |
| 04:12:38 | Deef | So I'm wondering how that makes it perform when viewing |
| 04:12:40 | Deef | yeah |
| 04:13:04 | aliask | Exif thumbnails could be read. |
| 04:13:04 | Deef | But since the iPod is speedy because it mutilates your images, I wonder how it handles full sized stuff |
| 04:14:02 | Soap | why do you say that? |
| 04:14:44 | Deef | The iPod views images without delay, but that's because iTunes transcodes for its small screen |
| 04:14:47 | Deef | .. from what I've read |
| 04:15:11 | Deef | You put photos on it via iTunes, which actually puts a dumbed down copy, not the original data |
| 04:15:32 | Deef | Allowing it to view them fast like it does |
| 04:15:36 | PaulJam | i don't think the ipod can show photos that weren't transferred via itunes (with apple fimware) |
| 04:15:36 | aliask | It could just encode a thumnail into the EXIF data |
| 04:16:16 | Deef | Apparently the camera to iPod device lets you view them |
| 04:16:32 | Deef | (from Cnet or IGN) |
| 04:17:08 | Deef | It said you need iTunes to take them OFF the iPod, at which point it copies new, dumbed down versions back to the iPod |
| 04:17:32 | Deef | So I wonder how it copes viewing 2M images in the meantime |
| 04:18:59 | Deef | If the h340's USBOTG isn't hugely more functional than the camera-to-pod device, I might swing towards the iPod |
| 04:19:36 | Deef | Can you have both firmware's on the iRiver at once? ie, can you select which you want to boot into? |
| 04:19:46 | Deef | Or does switching require a PC |
| 04:20:05 | PaulJam | rockbox is dualboot on h300 |
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| 04:20:16 | Deef | cool |
| 04:20:19 | PaulJam | (on ipod too) |
| 04:20:23 | Deef | Goodo |
| 04:21:24 | Deef | Is there such thing as a 60G iPod 5G? Or only 30G? |
| 04:23:21 | PaulJam | 5gen ipos exist as 30 and 60 GB and the 5.5gen ipods have 80 and 30 GB afaik (but 5.5 gen ipods currently don't work with rockbox) |
| 04:24:20 | Deef | yeah |
| 04:24:25 | Deef | ok thanks |
| 04:24:35 | Deef | Only 30G 5G on the site I think |
| 04:24:47 | Deef | But a 60G would probably be easier to find than a h340 |
| 04:35:25 | didj | deef: just tried my h340 then, worked with mem stick, but didnt work with Sony DSC-P32 cam |
| 04:35:38 | Deef | Hmm |
| 04:35:44 | Deef | Thanks for checking that |
| 04:36:20 | didj | i think it needs to support mass storage device thingo |
| 04:36:26 | Deef | Does the Sony cam have a generic "I'm-a-USB-storage-device" mode? |
| 04:36:34 | didj | from memory i think i needed drivers to use on PC |
| 04:36:44 | Deef | Ok |
| 04:36:50 | didj | plugged in a usb<->SD adapter card, that worked fine |
| 04:37:17 | Deef | as in, you read from SD via the adapter? |
| 04:38:10 | Deef | and one more question, does the h340 let you write to the USB device also, or just read? |
| 04:38:49 | didj | ya, its got a pretty basic browser |
| 04:38:54 | Deef | ah |
| 04:38:54 | didj | like a two tabbed window |
| 04:38:58 | didj | you can copy/paste between em |
| 04:39:02 | Deef | Ah |
| 04:39:21 | Deef | So it IS a basic file manager for USB storage devices |
| 04:39:36 | didj | ya, pretty basic tho |
| 04:39:50 | Deef | Good enough heh |
| 04:39:54 | didj | "copy", "Paste", "del", "info" |
| 04:39:58 | didj | is the only options |
| 04:40:12 | Deef | I was just worried that it was more like "Take images from camera" and "Exit" |
| 04:40:14 | didj | info basically shows the name + "Write Date" (last modified i guess) |
| 04:40:20 | didj | ahh |
| 04:40:48 | Deef | The camera I use works as a USB storage device |
| 04:41:09 | Deef | I can put pics from windows on it as data and view them on the camera (which I think is nifty) |
| 04:41:14 | didj | id think it *should* work |
| 04:41:30 | Deef | I'm happy with that shaky confidence |
| 04:42:00 | didj | heh |
| 04:42:13 | didj | but dunno what your chances of finding one would be |
| 04:42:19 | Deef | Yeah >_< |
| 04:42:33 | Deef | [09:55] <Deef> Yeah... I missed the last h340 a store had last Friday! >_< |
| 04:42:40 | didj | ah snap |
| 04:43:15 | Deef | ... If you're not in Australia you wouldn't know the old Goggo mobile TV ad |
| 04:43:21 | Deef | But it was like that |
| 04:57:02 | didj | haha, Perth ;) |
| 04:57:13 | Deef | lol |
| 04:57:20 | Deef | Can I have your h340 |
| 04:57:30 | Deef | plz!11 |
| 04:57:42 | didj | haha, dont think so, tis pretty leet ;) |
| 04:57:56 | Deef | =[ |
| 04:58:01 | Deef | Where did you get yours? |
| 04:58:02 | didj | only thing is that like aliask said, its fat ;P |
| 04:58:07 | didj | mm, JB's @ ozzi park |
| 04:58:12 | Deef | How long ago? |
| 04:58:22 | didj | mmm, ~10 weeks i guess |
| 04:58:26 | Deef | hmm |
| 04:58:35 | Deef | I don't think I rang that particular store |
| 04:58:52 | didj | think theyve stopped stocking too |
| 04:59:02 | Deef | yeah, everywhere has |
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| 04:59:40 | didj | ah well, can always hope for ebay |
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| 05:00:22 | Deef | yeah... but I want a new one |
| 05:00:27 | Deef | Didn't see any yesterday |
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| 05:00:32 | didj | ah, good luck ;P |
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| 05:01:50 | Deef | You get much use out of that battery pack thing? |
| 05:01:59 | didj | haha, nah |
| 05:02:08 | didj | battery lasts agggeess |
| 05:02:09 | aliask | Makes it unusably fat imo |
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| 05:02:12 | Deef | I plan to be travelling, and have charger and bunch of chargeables for my camera |
| 05:02:18 | didj | yee, pretty chunky |
| 05:02:27 | Deef | ah |
| 05:02:36 | Deef | Well that thing sounded cool to me |
| 05:02:41 | aliask | But it'd be useful when travelling, you could recharge from batteries |
| 05:03:06 | Deef | I'm like.. "I could go for days without food or showering and still have music and a file manager!" |
| 05:03:11 | didj | lool |
| 05:03:34 | Deef | I might have a Nano as well |
| 05:03:47 | Deef | So I have seriously wondered if I could charge the Nano off the h340 heh |
| 05:04:10 | Deef | ..I could run the whole show from a car's cigarette lighter |
| 05:04:14 | didj | eheh |
| 05:04:17 | aliask | You can, via the USBOTG I think. |
| 05:04:21 | Deef | yeah |
| 05:04:27 | Deef | That's pretty funny |
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| 05:04:45 | Deef | cig lighter to batt charger, batteries to h340, h340 to nano |
| 05:05:15 | Deef | I want the Nano so I can use iLingo |
| 05:05:30 | Deef | Bit of an expense but that software sounds a tad useful =| |
| 05:05:46 | Deef | Know of any other options I could try? |
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| 05:07:19 | didj | lol @ lingo |
| 05:07:20 | didj | cool |
| 05:10:55 | Deef | How much did you pay when you bought yours btw? |
| 05:14:00 | didj | arrg, think around 500 w/ extended warranty |
| 05:14:12 | Deef | Not bad |
| 05:14:27 | Deef | Considering I haven't seen anything that low yet -_- |
| 05:14:58 | didj | heh |
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| 05:25:25 | godzirra | 5.5g iLingo? |
| 05:25:28 | godzirra | err |
| 05:25:29 | godzirra | iLingo? |
| 05:25:36 | Deef | Yeah |
| 05:25:50 | Deef | The software with all the languages to talk to people |
| 05:26:01 | godzirra | weird |
| 05:26:03 | godzirra | what was $500? |
| 05:26:09 | Deef | iRiver h340 |
| 05:26:14 | godzirra | wow. |
| 05:26:16 | godzirra | USD? |
| 05:26:21 | Deef | AU |
| 05:26:26 | godzirra | ahh ok |
| 05:29:25 | Deef | didj.. still around? |
| 05:29:55 | didj | ya |
| 05:30:38 | SmilinBob | fuck |
| 05:30:48 | Deef | Looking at this picture, the h340 seems to be packed with an: AC adapter, USB cable, case, battery pack, earphones, a dock... and like 4 other cables |
| 05:30:48 | godzirra | I barely even know you... |
| 05:30:52 | godzirra | At least buy me dinner first. |
| 05:30:59 | Deef | http://public.nplummer.fastmail.fm/iriver1.JPG |
| 05:31:09 | Deef | Did it really come with a dock? |
| 05:31:12 | didj | yee :) |
| 05:31:13 | Deef | And all that other junk? |
| 05:31:17 | godzirra | I miss my iriver :( |
| 05:31:18 | Deef | man |
| 05:31:26 | didj | that bottom left thingy is inline remote |
| 05:31:33 | Deef | Ah yeah |
| 05:31:34 | didj | top ish cable is 3.5<->3.5 for line-in |
| 05:31:36 | didj | + external mic |
| 05:31:40 | Deef | ah |
| 05:31:41 | Deef | oh |
| 05:31:45 | didj | the top left == usb host adapter thingo |
| 05:31:50 | Deef | They supply a mic o_O |
| 05:31:57 | didj | and its got internal mic |
| 05:31:57 | didj | ;p |
| 05:32:06 | Deef | usb host adapter thingo?? |
| 05:32:32 | didj | like, at the bottom for "usb host" its got a mini socket, that just allows you to plug normal usb shit into it (ie, usb mem sticks) |
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| 05:38:54 | DanJC | What's that grey USB thingo cable again? |
| 05:38:59 | DanJC | What's it actually do.. |
| 05:39:10 | DanJC | *waits for Deef to time out* |
| 05:39:16 | didj | heh |
| 05:39:26 | didj | like, on the bottom of the iriver, its got 2 mini usb connectors |
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| 05:39:32 | didj | 1 for device (ie, plugging into pc) |
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| 05:39:39 | didj | the other is for host (memory sticks etc) |
| 05:39:49 | DanJC | ohh |
| 05:39:54 | didj | but its mini, so its just an adapter, mini to normal socket |
| 05:40:01 | DanJC | right right |
| 05:40:13 | DanJC | Forgot about mini usb |
| 05:40:21 | DanJC | ok |
| 05:40:36 | DanJC | Now, what is the actual point of having a dock? |
| 05:40:40 | DanJC | Wtf does a dock do |
| 05:40:41 | didj | n the dock just had mini usb + power socket at the back/bottom |
| 05:40:52 | didj | (you use the same cable + AC adapter) |
| 05:41:17 | DanJC | Can you not charge with the AC adapter without the dock? |
| 05:41:21 | didj | yea |
| 05:41:27 | didj | its just a convenience thing |
| 05:41:31 | DanJC | heh |
| 05:41:50 | DanJC | .. |
| 05:41:58 | DanJC | What's the convenient bit... |
| 05:42:12 | DanJC | If you can still just charge it and connect it without the dock |
| 05:42:15 | didj | you can just throw it into the dock and it charges + connects to usb |
| 05:42:24 | godzirra | some people leave the dock all plugged up |
| 05:42:28 | didj | yea, that ;P |
| 05:42:29 | godzirra | and just toss in their iriver when they get home |
| 05:42:30 | DanJC | ohh |
| 05:42:42 | DanJC | Right, ok, fair enough I guess |
| 05:42:59 | DanJC | No use for me travelling though |
| 05:44:13 | didj | ya |
| 05:44:19 | didj | it *can* charge from usb |
| 05:44:23 | didj | but its *much* quicker from AC |
| 05:44:35 | DanJC | Confused with your answer before... |
| 05:44:47 | DanJC | Can it charge via AC without the dock |
| 05:44:48 | DanJC | ? |
| 05:44:51 | godzirra | yes |
| 05:44:58 | DanJC | ok |
| 05:45:11 | DanJC | I'll be backpacking |
| 05:45:31 | DanJC | So the dock will take up unnecessary space |
| 05:45:37 | didj | pretty much |
| 05:45:50 | DanJC | Man so much stuff they pack in |
| 05:46:55 | didj | yee, deluxed ;P |
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| 06:29:21 | tidav | hi everyone |
| 06:29:34 | Deef | hello |
| 06:29:45 | tidav | i'm new to linux, can anyone tell me how to "add path to the cross-compiler"? |
| 06:30:11 | tidav | i've just used /tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 06:30:24 | Deef | I can't |
| 06:30:37 | tidav | but when i try to compile, it says that it can't find "arm-elf-gcc" |
| 06:30:39 | tidav | mmmm |
| 06:30:47 | didj | tidav: if you know where it is you append to $PATH |
| 06:31:25 | tidav | could you tell me what is the command line |
| 06:31:31 | didj | for cygwin atleast, its /opt/m68k/bin n /opt/arm/bin |
| 06:31:38 | tidav | to append it to $PATH? |
| 06:32:03 | didj | if your using bash, "export PATH=/path/to/ccs:$PATH" |
| 06:32:05 | didj | should do it |
| 06:32:58 | * | Quazgaa exposes his genitals to didj |
| 06:33:31 | tidav | i'll try to find where it is then |
| 06:33:33 | didj | be trueful, am i your first? |
| 06:33:46 | tidav | thanks didj |
| 06:34:29 | didj | tidav: you could try 'find / -name arm-elf-gcc' |
| 06:34:35 | didj | assuming it is installed :p |
| 06:36:14 | tidav | i guess i've just found it :D |
| 06:36:18 | tidav | /usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-gcc |
| 06:36:21 | tidav | hehe |
| 06:37:03 | didj | cool |
| 06:37:09 | * | Quazgaa exposes didj's genitals to tidav |
| 06:37:13 | didj | so just add '/usr/local/arm-elf/bin' to PATH |
| 06:37:25 | * | didj turkey slaps Quazgaa |
| 06:37:41 | Quazgaa | whoa dude, you go there, i dont |
| 06:37:58 | Quazgaa | keep your turkin slappin for your friend here |
| 06:38:13 | didj | haha |
| 06:39:10 | tidav | oh, still got that error message! "arm-elf-gcc:Command not found" |
| 06:39:18 | tidav | but i've typed both |
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| 06:39:38 | tidav | export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/:$PATH |
| 06:39:40 | tidav | and |
| 06:39:47 | tidav | export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-gcc:$PATH |
| 06:39:54 | tidav | did i do something wrong? |
| 06:40:00 | didj | mm you dont need the 2nd one |
| 06:40:12 | didj | but the first one should of worked, what does 'echo $PATH' give you |
| 06:40:36 | tidav | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 06:40:47 | didj | im guessing your not using bash |
| 06:40:47 | didj | ;p |
| 06:40:54 | tidav | ah! |
| 06:41:04 | tidav | ooops... |
| 06:41:45 | tidav | actually i typed all these commands in "gnome terminal" |
| 06:42:20 | didj | as long as its all in the same (instance) terminal it should be fine |
| 06:42:38 | didj | does the 'setenv' command spew crap at you ? |
| 06:43:02 | tidav | bash: setenv: command not found |
| 06:43:12 | tidav | i get this when i try 'setenv' |
| 06:43:14 | didj | mm, not sure export PATH wouldnt work then |
| 06:43:47 | Quazgaa | noobs |
| 06:44:01 | Quazgaa | neither one of you could find your ass from your face if you had to |
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| 06:44:20 | didj | Quazgaa: feel free to help us out :p |
| 06:44:26 | Quazgaa | heh |
| 06:45:04 | tidav | do you know how to fix it Quazgaa? |
| 06:46:14 | Quazgaa | so you set PATH and you say it doesnt take/ |
| 06:47:12 | tidav | i typed didj command 'find / -name arm-elf-gcc' |
| 06:47:25 | tidav | it returns me '/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-gcc' |
| 06:47:29 | tidav | then i typed |
| 06:47:41 | tidav | export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/:$PATH |
| 06:47:46 | didj | this is all in the same window yea? |
| 06:47:53 | tidav | yes |
| 06:48:04 | didj | mm |
| 06:48:23 | tidav | i type one then immediately the second command |
| 06:48:49 | didj | n 'echo $PATH' doesnt show the arm-elf dir in it ? |
| 06:49:39 | tidav | oh i tried again |
| 06:49:45 | tidav | it's fine |
| 06:49:47 | tidav | :D |
| 06:50:04 | didj | *shrug* |
| 06:50:04 | didj | weird |
| 06:50:15 | didj | i guess Quazgaa is still googling :p |
| 06:50:18 | tidav | yeah... |
| 06:50:26 | tidav | but at least it works |
| 06:50:27 | tidav | hehe |
| 06:50:50 | tidav | thanks! |
| 06:51:00 | sawo | ;] |
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| 06:55:01 | tidav | gtg |
| 06:55:11 | tidav | see ya didj and Quazgaa |
| 06:55:18 | tidav | and thanks a lot for your help |
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| 07:16:26 | SmilinBob | is there a better way to transfer songs to my ipod? |
| 07:16:35 | SmilinBob | other than copy/paste |
| 07:17:18 | SmilinBob | and not using itunes... |
| 07:18:00 | lex | rsync :D |
| 07:18:05 | lex | if you're on linux |
| 07:19:21 | SmilinBob | windowz |
| 07:19:27 | SmilinBob | =( |
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| 07:20:35 | lex | hmm :G |
| 07:21:16 | midkay | what is this elusive "windowz" i keep hearing about. it almost reminds me of windowS.. but i know that couldn't be the case - after all, we're all such great spellers in here! :DDDD |
| 07:22:00 | lex | :d |
| 07:22:24 | SmilinBob | heh |
| 07:22:30 | SmilinBob | i donno why i added the z |
| 07:22:38 | SmilinBob | :shrug: |
| 07:23:34 | midkay | oh, so it's just "window"? that's new to me. :E |
| 07:23:43 | SmilinBob | =P |
| 07:23:50 | * | SmilinBob shakes fist |
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| 07:24:39 | midkay | don't you dare or i'll hacksor you! |
| 07:24:53 | lex | midkay: yah! his ip is 127.0.0.1! |
| 07:25:38 | midkay | zomg i hack0r u. |
| 07:26:48 | SmilinBob | no... |
| 07:27:02 | SmilinBob | it's 192.168.1.4 |
| 07:27:04 | SmilinBob | =P |
| 07:27:22 | midkay | gimmeh |
| 07:27:27 | lex | :p |
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| 07:40:41 | amiconn | lame... |
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| 08:26:44 | SmilinBob | so... |
| 08:26:46 | SmilinBob | what's up |
| 08:26:47 | SmilinBob | ? |
| 08:26:56 | Zagor | the sky, mostly |
| 08:27:00 | SmilinBob | =P |
| 08:27:04 | Deef | Do you have a h340 that you're looking to sell or give away? |
| 08:27:12 | SmilinBob | h340? |
| 08:27:19 | Deef | yeah |
| 08:27:24 | Deef | iRiver h340 |
| 08:27:29 | SmilinBob | oh nope |
| 08:27:34 | SmilinBob | i have an ipod video |
| 08:27:40 | Deef | a pox |
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| 08:47:38 | SmilinBob | hmm |
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| 08:57:51 | SmilinBob | is there a way to connect my ipod to my computer without using itunes? |
| 08:58:11 | Deef | Rockbox lets you do that doesn't it? |
| 08:58:25 | SmilinBob | couldn't get it |
| 08:58:28 | SmilinBob | to work |
| 08:58:42 | SmilinBob | everytime i plug in my ipod itunes popsup |
| 08:59:00 | scorche | you connect your ipod to your computer with a cable...not itunes ;) |
| 08:59:19 | scorche | there should be an option in itunes that should take care of that |
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| 09:04:19 | SmilinBob | hmm |
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| 09:04:37 | SmilinBob | there we go |
| 09:08:03 | SmilinBob | now if only there was an easier way to transfer my songs |
| 09:08:48 | scorche | what could be easier than drag and drop? |
| 09:09:33 | scorche | or any of the ways to sync |
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| 09:17:39 | SmilinBob | well drag and drop is good |
| 09:17:58 | SmilinBob | but i wish it was a little less manual |
| 09:18:17 | Bagder | there's a million programs to chose from that can do it in other ways |
| 09:18:27 | SmilinBob | i can't find any |
| 09:18:34 | Bagder | wow |
| 09:18:36 | SmilinBob | well none that work too well |
| 09:18:41 | scorche | as i said..."or any of the ways to sync" |
| 09:18:51 | SmilinBob | they all want to transfer to the ipod standard folders |
| 09:18:51 | pondlife | MediaMonkey |
| 09:19:00 | scorche | rsync |
| 09:19:33 | scorche | i believe windows even has one built in with briefcase (not sure...never used it) |
| 09:19:41 | SmilinBob | that, and i can't figure out where winamp stores the ML playlists |
| 09:19:49 | SmilinBob | hmm... |
| 09:19:59 | scorche | ML? |
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| 09:20:37 | SmilinBob | media library |
| 09:21:31 | scorche | well, there is an export playlist option |
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| 09:27:36 | SmilinBob | yeah |
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| 09:39:13 | Bagder | http://www.podscope.com/search.php?&s=d&q=linux&assetID=208771 |
| 09:39:19 | Bagder | 25:40 |
| 09:39:22 | Bagder | about Rockbox |
| 09:39:39 | Bagder | (podcast) |
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| 09:42:53 | markun | Bagder: a very linux-centered site; you can choose between WMP and Quicktime to play the podcast :) |
| 09:43:11 | Bagder | I downloaded the mp3 ;-) |
| 09:43:15 | markun | Me too |
| 09:43:23 | Bagder | they claim it is available in vorbis |
| 09:43:23 | markun | Well, I'm streaming it |
| 09:43:41 | Bagder | probably from there main site, which that URL isn't |
| 09:43:45 | Bagder | their |
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| 09:44:46 | markun | Bagder: Ah, I missed the 'link' button to get to the file directly :) |
| 09:45:32 | markun | Bagder: http://media.libsyn.com/media/dsyates/lottalinuxlinks_22.ogg |
| 09:48:16 | daurn | amarocK? |
| 09:48:18 | daurn | its amarok |
| 09:48:25 | daurn | isn't it? |
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| 09:55:23 | JdGordon | fark that guy has an annoying voice |
| 09:55:47 | JdGordon | rocksbox! wtf? |
| 09:58:45 | JdGordon | tag cash! |
| 09:58:56 | * | JdGordon shoots Bagder for linking that :D |
| 09:58:58 | * | JdGordon gone |
| 09:59:00 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:59:16 | Bagder | he did mention Rockbox, I didn't say it was particularly good |
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| 10:01:30 | Bagder | http://home.jspenguin.org:81/rocken/ |
| 10:01:36 | Bagder | looks nice |
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| 10:04:12 | _singer | how do i switch back to the apple interface from rockbox |
| 10:04:21 | _singer | i read the manual but i think i mightve missed it |
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| 10:12:13 | myzar | :o |
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| 10:19:17 | pondlife | Quick question about the RB source structure... |
| 10:19:54 | pondlife | To fix a minor bug in the sim, I need access to iso_decode from the sim's io.c. |
| 10:20:08 | pondlife | But this currently needs a horrible include: #include "../include/rbunicode.h" |
| 10:20:45 | pondlife | Should I be updating something else to include that include directory? Or should I not be attempting to do this at all? |
| 10:22:24 | LinusN | well, i think dirty hacks are more or less allowed in the sims |
| 10:22:53 | daurn | thats racist |
| 10:22:59 | daurn | i mean, dirty ;) |
| 10:23:06 | pondlife | Would you mind if I commit that then? |
| 10:23:38 | pondlife | Basically, the utf8 conversion is assumed to have happened in the io layer. It doesn't with the sim though. |
| 10:26:08 | LinusN | as long as it works in both win32 and linux |
| 10:26:29 | pondlife | Hmm, can you (or anyone) test a linux build for me? |
| 10:26:59 | pondlife | If not, I'll put an #ifdef in ;-p |
| 10:27:19 | pondlife | Patch is at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=12600 |
| 10:27:36 | pondlife | (yes, I know it's on a bug report, but it won't be there for long) |
| 10:28:11 | myzar | what is this for? |
| 10:28:12 | myzar | unicode? |
| 10:28:42 | pondlife | readdir (under Cygwin at least) doesn't encode non-ASCII chars as UTF-8 |
| 10:28:50 | myzar | oh\ |
| 10:28:52 | myzar | nah, cant help ya |
| 10:28:57 | myzar | but if you fix the 5.5gs |
| 10:29:04 | myzar | ill compensate you with a night of rough sex and booze |
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| 10:29:49 | Nimdae | pondlife: my laptop runs linux, but i know nothing about the sims |
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| 10:30:45 | pondlife | Or does anyone have documentation stating whether linux readdir should return UTF-8 or not? |
| 10:31:28 | Nimdae | i would think it to at least have the capability |
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| 10:33:48 | Bagder | funnily docs doesn't seem to mention that |
| 10:33:53 | pondlife | Nope. |
| 10:34:10 | pondlife | Googel can't be certain either - might it depend on kernel version? |
| 10:34:26 | Bagder | and very likely depending on file system I'd guess |
| 10:34:49 | myzar | bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder |
| 10:34:52 | myzar | mushroom mushroom |
| 10:34:55 | myzar | HAY BAGDER~ |
| 10:34:56 | Kick | (#Rockbox myzar :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
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| 10:35:03 | myzar | =[ |
| 10:35:07 | Bagder | stop that crap |
| 10:35:13 | myzar | yessir. |
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| 10:35:28 | Ed___ | snake? |
| 10:36:36 | Bagder | no thanks, I already ate |
| 10:36:41 | Ed___ | :) |
| 10:37:06 | Nimdae | looks like readdir returns and encoding of some kind which must be processed, and depending on the filesystem and kernel (most likely the locale in general) may be unicode data, so it looks like it will work with utf-8 |
| 10:37:09 | Ed___ | oh my god |
| 10:37:22 | Nimdae | i could be wrong though, my C knowledge is minimal |
| 10:37:27 | Ed___ | i'm at this friend of my mom's place, fixing their lousy computer |
| 10:37:37 | Ed___ | running a backup - their mailbox alone is already 3.5 GB |
| 10:37:43 | LinusN | damn, my proxy won't let me load http://home.jspenguin.org:81/rocken/ :-( |
| 10:37:44 | daurn | ah, a snake |
| 10:37:48 | daurn | ohhhhhhhh, its a snake |
| 10:37:55 | Ed___ | full of stupid .wmv-mass-mails |
| 10:38:01 | * | pondlife parties like it's 2003 |
| 10:38:19 | Nimdae | that's nothing, i'm listening to styx ;) |
| 10:39:00 | pondlife | The joke would have been funnier if it had been muhsroom muhsroom etc. |
| 10:39:29 | * | petur likes the FAQ section of rocken |
| 10:39:45 | petur | Q: Why? A: Because I can. |
| 10:40:14 | Mikachu | LinusN: http://rocken.mikachu.ath.cx/ |
| 10:40:16 | petur | but no license info |
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| 10:45:27 | Nimdae | what are the chances of getting some kind of JME or JRE VM into rockbox? >.> |
| 10:46:49 | daurn | 0 |
| 10:46:57 | Nimdae | D: |
| 10:47:01 | daurn | +1/inf |
| 10:47:55 | markun | daurn: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4030458859.html |
| 10:48:57 | Bagder | Nimdae: it'd take a whole lot of dedication |
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| 10:50:12 | Nimdae | JME is actually suppose to be opened, not sure how that will affect /k/ |
| 10:50:16 | Nimdae | or mika |
| 10:50:19 | Nimdae | or whatever it's called |
| 10:50:49 | Bagder | well, I think none of us core Rockboxers are java people so we don't know that stuff |
| 10:50:50 | baobab68 | hi all |
| 10:51:02 | pondlife | Hmm, are the #ifndef _MSC_VER bits now obselete since we don't support the Win32 sim any more? |
| 10:51:06 | markun | hi baobab68 |
| 10:51:12 | Bagder | pondlife: yes |
| 10:51:16 | pondlife | Good! |
| 10:51:36 | Nimdae | i'm a java person, but lack the proper knowledge to do an implementation :( |
| 10:52:28 | baobab68 | question re: the battery indicator on H300 series, if anyone has a second..? |
| 10:52:40 | Nimdae | i'll look into it though, it'd be fun to make java apps for rockbox |
| 10:54:13 | * | amiconn would rather like to stay away from java as far as possible |
| 10:54:14 | baobab68 | i've been reading irc logs to see if this has been under discussion - currently the battery indicator seems to only get updated on each reboot, rather than being live? |
| 10:54:21 | amiconn | Even farther than MSVC++ or .net |
| 10:54:35 | petur | baobab68: no it's live |
| 10:54:57 | petur | it just decreases very slowly ;) |
| 10:55:00 | Nimdae | amiconn: why? java5 is rather nice ;) |
| 10:55:37 | Bagder | well, we don't even have malloc |
| 10:55:46 | Bagder | imagine what java would require |
| 10:56:13 | baobab68 | i'll admit i'm using a non-standard build (norbu's) but out of interest i ran a battery benchmark and the log file just kept recording 85% for six hours until the battery died... |
| 10:56:23 | * | petur wonders what's wrong with MSVC - starting with version 7 the compiler is actually quite good |
| 10:58:46 | amiconn | java is slow, resource hungry, and it's oo |
| 10:59:18 | Nimdae | i find it to be quite fast, actually |
| 10:59:37 | baobab68 | @ petur: so the CVS battery indicator is ok then? i might go back to CVS and save the headache |
| 10:59:48 | Bagder | Nimdae: I doubt you ever use it on this slow processors |
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| 11:00:00 | Nimdae | true |
| 11:00:05 | amiconn | So far I've seen no graphical java app that comes even near the speed of a native app |
| 11:00:11 | Nimdae | i dunno how fast the processor is on my phone |
| 11:00:15 | didj | another thing is the lax memory management, garbage collection isnt good on memory constrained devices ;p |
| 11:00:18 | amiconn | That's on recent PC hardware |
| 11:00:24 | Bagder | phones are usually several hundred mhz ARMs |
| 11:00:50 | amiconn | My mobile phone runs java midp 1.0 |
| 11:01:04 | amiconn | Starting opera mini takes half a minute or so |
| 11:01:14 | Bagder | haha |
| 11:01:44 | Nimdae | amiconn: actually, i won't argue about the graphical processing since java implements it's own graphical system on top of the existing graphical system of the os, and java2 is extremely slow at that |
| 11:02:07 | Nimdae | but eh, i just thought it was a decent idea ;) |
| 11:02:48 | amiconn | petur: Nothing is wrong with MSVC, it's the '++' that makes me stay away |
| 11:04:02 | Nimdae | doesn't look like it would be possible anyway because no one has jme or embedded java sources available |
| 11:07:12 | markun | Nimdae: you can email the /k/ guys about it http://www.k-embedded-java.com/news.html |
| 11:10:09 | Nimdae | eh, i don't think i could make very good use of it though |
| 11:10:37 | Nimdae | anyway, after 4 am, sleep time |
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| 11:59:43 | deesh | Could anyone help me with some rockbox questions? |
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| 12:00:51 | preglow | just ask |
| 12:00:53 | Teknomancer | deesh ask and we can try |
| 12:01:38 | preglow | amiconn: i don't see why the fact that something is oo makes it bad |
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| 12:01:49 | preglow | even c programmers use oo extensively for programming these days |
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| 12:01:52 | preglow | and with good reason |
| 12:02:23 | deesh | I have Loader2 installed, and when I select "Rockbox" from the list of Apple OS or Rockbox, it takes me to the Main Menu instead of File Browsing.. How do I get to the File Browsing menu from there? :O |
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| 12:08:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: Rockbox always boots into the filetree unless you've changed settings to have it resume music playback on boot. What do you see that makes you think it's the main menu? |
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| 12:09:53 | deesh | I have "Recent Bookmarks, General Settings, Manage Settings" etc, in a list |
| 12:10:34 | nls | deesh, are you using an official build of rockbox? |
| 12:11:01 | deesh | The latest daily build |
| 12:12:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | Try just tapping the Menu button, I suppose. Or left. But that really shouldn't be happening. |
| 12:14:57 | deesh | When I tap the Menu button, I get a Unknown Artist, Unknown Album, 1 - No File! screen.. it looks kind of like the apple Now Playing screen |
| 12:15:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | You're sure you're running a daily build downloaded from the rockbox.org daily builds page? |
| 12:16:17 | deesh | It is the latest daily build, but it was installed with the rockbox installer from ipodwizard.net |
| 12:16:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm going to recommend clearing your settings during boot, and if this doesn't resolve the problem, trying Rockbox with the official bootloader and seeing if they stick around. |
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| 12:18:20 | deesh | What's the easiest way to uninstall Loader2? |
| 12:18:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | The easiest way is probably not what you want. That's just using the Apple/iTunes restore function. |
| 12:19:32 | deesh | Which will wipe the HD, right? |
| 12:19:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes |
| 12:19:50 | deesh | Ew. |
| 12:20:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | I would say "use ipodpatcher to write back bootpartition.bin" but since I have no idea what the install tool you used backs up or anything, I would recommend searching its instructions for how to have it safely remove it. |
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| 12:23:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | But as I said you should try clearing your settings first. |
| 12:25:48 | deesh | Could I use TagCache to show files loaded via iTunes to get a filetree menu? As of now, the only music on my iPod has been imported with iTunes. |
| 12:28:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | Firstly, that wouldn't be a filetree at all. |
| 12:28:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | Secondly, TagCache exists as a replacement view for the filetree view, so you still have to be able to get to it. |
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| 12:29:44 | deesh | Could I copy the rockbox default bootloader over Loader2, or would that cause conflict? |
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| 12:30:00 | ton | hi is anyone making a port for creative zen vision m |
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| 12:31:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: You need to uninstall loader2 first. |
| 12:32:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | ton: Haven't you been in here asking that several times lately? |
| 12:33:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: Have you tried clearing your settings yet though? You can try that before you try the more difficult process... |
| 12:33:35 | deesh | How do I go about clearing these settings? |
| 12:34:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: Make sure the hold switch is on while Rockbox is booting. So, select it from the list, and immediately after choosing it, turn on the hold switch until Rockbox boots and says "Cleared" |
| 12:36:05 | deesh | Done. Reboot? |
| 12:36:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | It said cleared? |
| 12:36:22 | deesh | Yes |
| 12:36:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | And it still booted into the menu? |
| 12:37:06 | deesh | It booted into, " Calenders -Contacts - Notes - Photos - rockbox" |
| 12:37:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's the filetree. |
| 12:37:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | Calenders, Contacts, etc, are all folders on a default iPod |
| 12:37:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | rockbox is the rockbox.ipod file you copied over. |
| 12:37:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | The .rockbox folder is hidden because you're not in "view all" mode by default. |
| 12:38:02 | deesh | Ah :o |
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| 12:38:49 | deesh | So now that I have the filetree, what's the easiest way to get iTunes-imported songs into the rockbox menu? |
| 12:39:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | TagCache. |
| 12:42:15 | deesh | But I could also create a Music folder in the same directory as Calenders, Contacts, etc, drag-and-drop folders and such into it.. and it would be displayed in the filetree as different folders. |
| 12:42:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes. |
| 12:42:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | But you asked about iTunes-imported songs. |
| 12:43:12 | ton | paul |
| 12:43:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | iTunes hides the music on your iPod, and names the files strange things, so by far the easiest way to use those songs is by way of TagCache. |
| 12:43:26 | ton | can i pay u to put zvm rockbox |
| 12:43:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | ton: No, you cannot. |
| 12:43:45 | deesh | Could I SharePod MP3's from my iPod to PC, then put them in that directory? |
| 12:43:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | ton: Why not spend some time learning and do it yourself. |
| 12:44:02 | ton | where would i start |
| 12:44:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: Sure, but why do that? If you want them in filetree mode, don't use iTunes to sync, and just copy the music files over wherever you want. |
| 12:44:26 | Bagder | ton: zen vision M? |
| 12:44:39 | ton | yeh |
| 12:45:07 | Bagder | then you'd benefit from investigating archopen and the current neuros development |
| 12:45:12 | Bagder | for dm320 stuff |
| 12:45:24 | ton | ok... |
| 12:46:21 | Bagder | there was also once someone who wanted to port rockbox to the mrobe player |
| 12:46:25 | Bagder | dm320 based too |
| 12:46:43 | Bagder | but for some reason, there's still no one really determined to port to a dm320 device |
| 12:47:27 | ton | k |
| 12:47:37 | deesh | Well.. TagCache looks.. interesting. |
| 12:47:51 | ton | si do u recon rockbox will be make this year? |
| 12:48:11 | deesh | Is everything I need to do this included in the rockbox install? |
| 12:48:16 | Bagder | ton: uh? |
| 12:48:21 | Bagder | "no one" means 0 persons |
| 12:48:25 | Bagder | 0 persons make little code |
| 12:48:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: Yes. |
| 12:48:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: I suggest reading the manual. |
| 12:48:51 | deesh | That's what I'm going over. |
| 12:49:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: Ah, and it doesn't tell you that you need any other tools, does it? ;) |
| 12:49:15 | ton | would you recon creative zen vision m rockbox be made this year? |
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| 12:49:33 | Bagder | ton: I'm 100% sure it won't |
| 12:49:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | ton: He said that nobody is working on it. If nobody is working on it, how can it be made? |
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| 12:49:43 | deesh | Apparently not, but it also doesn't specify where the "TagCahce |
| 12:49:46 | Bagder | and this year is soon ending |
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| 12:49:59 | deesh | er, "TagCache menu" is |
| 12:50:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: Try searching for "Tag Cache" instead of "TagCache". |
| 12:50:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: But I'm quite certain there's a full listing of the menus in there, which would reveal where it is. It may just be a layout issue. |
| 12:52:04 | ton | k thanks for ur help |
| 12:52:05 | ton | cua |
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| 12:52:20 | deesh | Yeah, the menu layout and such is a little difficult to get used to.. I guess I'm just going to have to jump in. Not really much I could break, I guess. :) |
| 12:52:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: Well, now that you know how to clear settings, it doesn't really matter if you do manage to come up with some clever way to screw up your settings, it's always clearable. :) |
| 12:53:11 | deesh | Hehe, good to know. Thanks a lot for your help. |
| 12:53:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | That was really strange behaviour. |
| 12:56:07 | deesh | Score! Music via Rockbox.. Step 1 successful. |
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| 12:56:44 | SmilinBob | sup? |
| 12:57:10 | deesh | Also, lack of an EQ of some sort was one of the reasons I wasn't sure whether to get an iPod or a similiar device. It's nice to know I have the option now. |
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| 12:58:51 | SmilinBob | anyone know if there is a way to add a shout cut on my desktop that will "safely remove" my ipod? |
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| 13:01:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | That sounds like something that's more windows related than Rockbox related. A lot of people here don't even run windows. |
| 13:01:55 | SmilinBob | yeah good point |
| 13:02:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | But, why not just use the safely remove hardware button in the taskbar? |
| 13:02:24 | SmilinBob | cause it always winds up getting hidden |
| 13:02:35 | SmilinBob | and more or less i am lazy |
| 13:02:36 | SmilinBob | ^_^ |
| 13:02:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ah, you have one of those overloaded taskbars with all kinds of crud? |
| 13:02:45 | petur | hahaha using XP are you? poor soul |
| 13:02:53 | SmilinBob | yeah |
| 13:03:10 | petur | W2K doesn't do that :) |
| 13:03:23 | * | Paul_the_Nerd is using XP: MCE 2003. |
| 13:03:27 | SmilinBob | i was gonna build a linux box |
| 13:03:37 | SmilinBob | but the harddrive in this computer crashed |
| 13:03:41 | * | Paul_the_Nerd is still not wholly sure why a laptop would come preinstalled with MCE. |
| 13:03:49 | SmilinBob | so i had to use the one i was gonna put in the linuxbox |
| 13:04:09 | SmilinBob | that is odd |
| 13:04:18 | petur | Paul_the_Nerd: because they have 16:9 displays? |
| 13:04:20 | SmilinBob | i've never used MCE |
| 13:04:40 | SmilinBob | just doesn't appeal to me at all |
| 13:05:02 | Genre9mp3 | There's an option to disable this hiding of the icons in the taskbar if you want |
| 13:05:10 | deesh | Okay, I give. Where is the Tag Cache menu? O.O |
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| 13:05:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | petur: Possibly. But as far as I'm aware, MCE doesn't actually offer anything special to the host computer, does it? It's more useful for making that computer a media-bitch to various networked devices? |
| 13:05:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: I honestly can't remember, not a feature I use. :( |
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| 13:07:20 | deesh | Does it basically find all the protected/hidden/whatever files and make them visible in the filetree? I don't understand why Rockbox can't just see them already. |
| 13:08:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: Rockbox can see them, but iTunes gives them gibberish filenames. |
| 13:08:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: What it does is finds all the files on your system, and organizes them in a menu like the iPod software does, showing them sorted by Artist, Album, etc. |
| 13:08:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Reading all their tags and creating a database of them takes a little time, so Rockbox doesn't do this by default |
| 13:09:17 | deesh | I see. |
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| 13:09:50 | petur | hleh! |
| 13:09:52 | * | Bagder leans back |
| 13:09:55 | petur | bleh! even |
| 13:09:57 | deesh | So using Tag Cache would allow Rockbox to list all of the files I can see with my Apple OS menu's and stuff, right? |
| 13:10:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | Not necessarily |
| 13:10:09 | petur | aaaahhhhh don't cut me o*&$%&#$%@& |
| 13:10:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Rockbox cannot play protected files |
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| 13:10:35 | deesh | Such as those downloaded from iTunes, leaving imported CD's and MP3's fair-game? |
| 13:10:41 | SmilinBob | oh, i also check on the site and couldn't find an answer... |
| 13:10:50 | SmilinBob | does rockbox play videos? |
| 13:10:52 | deesh | or does iTunes protect those when they're imported? |
| 13:11:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | deesh: No, imported ones should be unprotected still |
| 13:11:11 | SmilinBob | just purchased ones |
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| 13:11:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | SmilinBob: There is limited video playback functionality, no audio yet. |
| 13:11:21 | SmilinBob | oh ok |
| 13:11:38 | SmilinBob | no biggie, i never watch videos anyway |
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| 13:21:20 | luckz | I remember how my X5's shuffle always managed to *shuffle* to some video :D |
| 13:21:45 | luckz | so I was listening to music and suddenly got some advertisement/animation they put on there |
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| 13:31:41 | * | Genre9mp3 listens to the lottal linux radio show |
| 13:32:00 | Kitt0s | hm |
| 13:32:03 | Kitt0s | rockbox.org dead? |
| 13:32:06 | Genre9mp3 | I wonder why he calls it "roxbox"... |
| 13:32:27 | Genre9mp3 | Kitt0s: [14:09] <Zagor> NOTICE: Big server upgrade now. apache will be down a few minutes, cgiirc clients will get disconnected. |
| 13:32:38 | Kitt0s | nice :] |
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| 13:40:37 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm... the batery life etimation hasn't yet updated for the H300? |
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| 13:46:16 | Zagor | web site back up |
| 13:46:36 | Zagor | new apache version required some config changes |
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| 13:58:02 | markun | Zagor: do you plan to add the side menu to the tracker page? |
| 13:58:31 | Zagor | I don't know. should we? |
| 13:58:42 | markun | I think so |
| 13:59:06 | Zagor | I'll try it and see. but first I have to fix the wiki. |
| 13:59:12 | markun | ok |
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| 14:02:12 | Genre9mp3 | markun: Why limit the space of the tracker? |
| 14:02:46 | markun | why limit it to the wiki and forum? |
| 14:03:07 | Genre9mp3 | I wonder the same thing for the forum |
| 14:03:17 | Genre9mp3 | I liked it better without the side menu |
| 14:03:46 | markun | I like it better with menu |
| 14:03:47 | aliask | I think it's important to have it throughout the site. |
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| 14:06:22 | Genre9mp3 | I like it more without the menu than you like it with the menu (run out of arguments) :P |
| 14:06:31 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 14:09:23 | markun | Genre9mp3: would a horizontal menu on the top of the page be better? |
| 14:09:52 | Genre9mp3 | hmm... I don't think so... as I imagine it, it would be ugly |
| 14:11:32 | Genre9mp3 | except maybe if it was only for the tracker, but this would ruin the consistency of the site |
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| 14:17:33 | * | amiconn wonders why the side menu doesn't use frames |
| 14:18:13 | preglow | frames are bad! |
| 14:18:25 | * | Paul_the_Nerd gathers the torches and pitchforks. |
| 14:18:36 | amiconn | I prefer frames over having the same code load over and over |
| 14:18:49 | aliask | They are certainly more efficient than other methods. |
| 14:18:56 | amiconn | They also have the advantage that the menu stays visible when scrolling down a long page |
| 14:18:59 | aliask | Both for coding time and loading. |
| 14:19:09 | Zagor | aliask: yes, very efficient at eliminating bookmarks, urls etc |
| 14:19:17 | amiconn | Zagor: huh? |
| 14:19:33 | Zagor | amiconn: you can only link to the top frame |
| 14:20:19 | * | aliask forgot about that |
| 14:21:10 | amiconn | Zagor: You can always link to a sub-page, with some support on either side |
| 14:21:36 | Bagder | you can have the menu "follow" along without frames |
| 14:22:17 | amiconn | Bagder: Yes, but then the menu code is included with every page -> longer loading time |
| 14:22:34 | Bagder | yes, but working web pages |
| 14:22:41 | Bagder | frames are broken by design |
| 14:22:41 | amiconn | And without special css measures, the menu becomes inaccessible when scrolling down |
| 14:23:17 | * | amiconn disagress |
| 14:23:47 | Bagder | well, luckily most people agree with me these days ;-) |
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| 14:23:52 | Bagder | on that point |
| 14:23:59 | preglow | oh yes |
| 14:24:17 | * | linuxstb is firmly anti-frames as well. |
| 14:25:03 | Zagor | amiconn: the menu is 2700 bytes, and is the gzipped before transfer. exactly how many milliseconds do you think you gain by not transfering it? |
| 14:25:52 | Zagor | actually it's 2472 bytes |
| 14:26:12 | amiconn | It's only gzipped if the client supports it. Then there are still modem & isdn users |
| 14:26:31 | Zagor | amiconn: name a popular browser that doesn't support compression? |
| 14:27:46 | LinusN | http://www.karlcore.com/articles/article.php?id=2 |
| 14:27:46 | amiconn | And the other point still holds (menu vanishing when scrolling down |
| 14:28:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | We could always just make the menu a floater. |
| 14:28:17 | Zagor | amiconn: you are living in 1995 :-) |
| 14:28:23 | amiconn | No I don't |
| 14:28:41 | Galois | definitely, floater menus are the way to go |
| 14:29:09 | LinusN | and frames were bad even in 1995 |
| 14:30:02 | Zagor | btw, I was surprised to set that even though over 80% of rockbox.org visitors use windows, Mozilla is the most popular browser. |
| 14:30:54 | aliask | I would be supprised if Mozilla wasn't the most popular browser. |
| 14:30:55 | Zagor | s/set/see |
| 14:31:18 | * | amiconn still doesn't agree that frames are inherently bad |
| 14:31:52 | amiconn | Frames have their pitfalls, sure, but all of them can be solved with a little thinking |
| 14:31:58 | Bagder | no |
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| 14:32:11 | Bagder | they mess up printing |
| 14:32:15 | Bagder | they mess up bookmarking |
| 14:32:16 | Zagor | amiconn: well, you also think the PLAY button should not start playing the song you're pointing at. let's just agree to disagree. |
| 14:32:57 | Slasheri | i check rockbox sites often using a text mode browser, like links or lynx |
| 14:33:10 | Slasheri | and i think frames are always a very bad solution |
| 14:33:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: Can you give an example of a frames-based site that solves all the problems? |
| 14:33:58 | pondlife | I use a PC with no mouse or touch screen occasionally; frames can make navigation harder there too. |
| 14:34:20 | pondlife | (not that most sites are much good in that mode) |
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| 14:36:04 | Slasheri | menu can be made not vanishing using proper CSS codes |
| 14:36:13 | Slasheri | but i think it's better to let it just vanish |
| 14:37:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | It'd be easier to make the menu not vanish if browsers actually consistently supported CSS2, but that's another argument |
| 14:37:45 | aliask | Does IE7 have CCS2 support? |
| 14:37:56 | Zagor | I don't think there's much value in having the menu obnoxiously following the scrolling page. you know where the menu is, it doesn't have to be "in your face" all the time. |
| 14:38:06 | Slasheri | i don't like about the idea menu taking extra space on the site (always visible) |
| 14:38:28 | amiconn | Slasheri: The menu space is taken anyway (the left column) |
| 14:38:44 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, but the menu can be floating on the left also |
| 14:38:49 | amiconn | I simply hate it to have to scroll up again before I can access the menu |
| 14:38:50 | Slasheri | so text could go below it |
| 14:38:58 | preglow | the home key is nice |
| 14:39:09 | Slasheri | i just have to press one key (home) go get to the menu again |
| 14:39:12 | * | Paul_the_Nerd doesn't use the menu because he prefers to type URLs. |
| 14:39:29 | Slasheri | i never use mouse unless it's the only way to go |
| 14:40:00 | amiconn | Home key is still slower than not having to scroll, e.g. when working via rdp / nx |
| 14:40:19 | amiconn | (and switching from mouse to keyboad also takes time) |
| 14:41:39 | preglow | i only use the keyboard unless i have to anyway |
| 14:41:41 | preglow | mice are badness |
| 14:42:15 | amiconn | huh? |
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| 14:42:25 | aliask | i like to rely on one or the other - i hate switching between the two. |
| 14:42:27 | amiconn | Who's living in 1995 (or earlier)? ;) |
| 14:42:36 | Slasheri | same here.. and when coding / ircing / doing some work, mouse is totally unnecessary |
| 14:42:48 | Slasheri | i barely ever touch it unless browsing web |
| 14:43:10 | * | amiconn likes working with a mouse for 15+ years |
| 14:43:36 | nano- | Hi, we of the xmms2 project are about to arrange a logo contest, and thinking about having a DAP as price. I'm just wondering what DAP to go with. It would be very nice to have one that works perfectly with RockBox. |
| 14:43:45 | preglow | i just tend to avoid it to avoid messing up my arms |
| 14:43:47 | nano- | We've been thinking about a sansa. |
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| 14:44:09 | dan_a | nano-: Sansa is a long way off working with RB yet |
| 14:44:10 | markun | nano-: well, the sansa doesn't work perfectly with rockbox |
| 14:44:37 | preglow | amiconn: i use a mouse with no troubles, but i try to avoid it if necessary. using the keyboard is always more efficient |
| 14:44:48 | nano- | dan_a, markun: So what DAP is the shit then? |
| 14:45:25 | nano- | Also, our competition is not due for another 1-2 months. Might this change anything? |
| 14:45:30 | aliask | nano-: I would probably suggest the iAudio X5, but that may be a bit more expensive than you're looking for. |
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| 14:46:13 | dan_a | I think the older iRivers (H1X0, H3X0) are well regarded, but are not so easily available any more |
| 14:46:58 | dan_a | I'd be surprised if the Sansa works this year |
| 14:46:59 | nano- | Is the Sansa in active development? I read something that sandisk set you hardware? |
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| 14:47:16 | TeaSea | Yeah iRiver really did a stupid move making the H10 the flagship model. |
| 14:47:39 | linuxstb | Is the H10 still manufactured? |
| 14:47:47 | TeaSea | Fuck knows. |
| 14:47:47 | nano- | dan_a: ah ok :( |
| 14:47:51 | TeaSea | I'm talking about the 20G model btw. |
| 14:47:53 | TeaSea | It's awful :D |
| 14:48:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | nano-: Sandisk has sent us hardware, but unfortunately most of the hurdles lie in the area of "Chips they bought but are unable to tell us useful information about" ;) |
| 14:48:09 | amiconn | nano-: If you want a dap that's still in production and fairly well supported by rockbox, I'd say go for the Iaudio X5 |
| 14:48:12 | dan_a | We're working on the Sansa, but the LCD has only been working a week |
| 14:48:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | nano-: Honestly, most people feel that the iRiver H100 or H300 series are some of the best Rockbox players if you want software codec support. The iAudio X5 is a newer one with very similar capabilities (thought I don't think we're beating stock battery life yet). |
| 14:48:58 | nano- | amiconn: yeah.. x5's are really nice, but a bit more expensive. |
| 14:49:10 | linuxstb | nano-: The only options for easily available DAPs are the ipods, and the iriver H10, but their support isn't as good as the X5. |
| 14:49:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | nano-: And of course the Archoses are wonderful if you don't mind that they only play MP3s, and are a bit clunky. |
| 14:49:34 | amiconn | Paul_the_Nerd: No, we don't, but I already know one cause an am planning to fix it |
| 14:49:41 | amiconn | (the pcf i2c driver) |
| 14:49:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: Good to hear. :) |
| 14:50:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | nano-: Anything outside the ones I've listed pretty much falls in the "In development, and with some noticeable constraints on real-world use" category (mostly battery life for the iPods and H10 series, really) |
| 14:50:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Unless I forgot something |
| 14:51:05 | aliask | DRM support ;) |
| 14:51:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's finally getting cool here! It was 8C outside about an hour ago. |
| 14:51:09 | nano- | Thank you very much for the information. We'll have to think about it. Would give a warm fuzzy feeling to put "Works with Rockbox" next to the price ;) |
| 14:51:09 | amiconn | Hmm, and we don't support usbotg on any model with usbotg hardware yet |
| 14:51:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | nano-: Honestly, overall I personally would suggest the H100 series if you can find one on sale somewhere, but that could be because it was my first Rockbox'ed DAP. ;) |
| 14:52:52 | amiconn | Imho all the rockbox supported daps have their pros and cons, there's no one beat-all-others model |
| 14:52:56 | Slasheri | i would suggest H100 also. It should be the most stable and best working of software codec targets |
| 14:53:26 | aliask | And the least affected by the ugly parts of the UI. |
| 14:53:38 | nano- | I was pretty satisfied with rockbox on my iPod G4 before the hdd gave up :/ |
| 14:53:51 | Slasheri | and with fastest boot time also if you put rockbox flash ;) |
| 14:54:36 | nano- | Btw.. what's the status of glib on uclinux? |
| 14:55:20 | Slasheri | we don't use linux kernel |
| 14:55:43 | Bagder | nor glib ;-) |
| 14:55:50 | nano- | Aha.. was thinking about getting xmms2 to run on rockbox, but that's pretty much ruled out then. |
| 14:56:07 | Ed___ | so what's the buzz with xmms2 anyway? |
| 14:56:32 | Bagder | nano-: I doubt xmms2 is designed to work good on devices like these |
| 14:56:32 | nano- | http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page |
| 14:56:39 | nano- | Bagder: Yeah.. that too. |
| 14:56:45 | * | linuxstb asks the old "is it gapless?" question. |
| 14:56:50 | nano- | linuxstb: yes |
| 14:57:02 | Ed___ | won't xmms2 be too fat to run on those type of devices? |
| 14:57:04 | linuxstb | Then I'm happy... |
| 14:57:15 | nano- | Ed___: Probably, don't know as I haven't tried it. |
| 14:58:00 | Bagder | Rockbox is handicrafted to be xmms on DAP, xmms is not ;-) |
| 14:58:11 | Ed___ | well, i shouldn't bitch at xmms2, as i'm a developer of a music application myself :D |
| 14:58:17 | nano- | xmms != xmms2, but it's not handcrafted for dap no. |
| 14:59:18 | Bagder | for example, rockbox is fixed-point only |
| 14:59:25 | markun | nano-: maybe you can port it to ipodlinux |
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| 15:00:04 | Bagder | "It imports 1200 songs in 6 minutes on a P3 1.5GHz system." |
| 15:00:18 | linuxstb | And Rockbox is optimised for low memory usage and minimal disk spin-ups. |
| 15:00:32 | amiconn | linuxstb: I have a few questions and suggestions regarding (1) the bitmap build system, (2) libmad |
| 15:00:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | Bagder: I think our TagCache can beat that. :-P |
| 15:00:35 | nano- | markun: yeah.. that's what I wanted to before I realised that glib didn't compile on ulibc (except for a really old version) and I didn't put any time investigating the problem. rockbox is nicer ;) |
| 15:00:47 | Bagder | Paul_the_Nerd: I would certainly hope so... |
| 15:00:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: Ask away, but I'm not sure I'll be able to help with libmad. |
| 15:01:12 | linuxstb | (it's been a long time since I did anything with it). |
| 15:02:26 | Bagder | the fun part is that the xmms2 page says 1200 songs in 6 minutes is "*very* fast" |
| 15:02:48 | Bagder | Slasheri should like that ;-) |
| 15:02:58 | Zagor | well what does "import" mean? |
| 15:03:31 | Bagder | I assume that means populating the db with meta data from the songs |
| 15:03:37 | linuxstb | It must mean physically copying the files to be that slow? |
| 15:03:40 | nano- | fetching all metadata from the files (including coverart) and loading the text to the medialib (sqlite) and storing the coverart to disk. |
| 15:03:40 | Zagor | but yes, sounds a bit strange spending on average 3.3 seconds per song |
| 15:04:07 | Bagder | but yeah, tagcache doesn't store cover art |
| 15:04:50 | nano- | but the "benchmark" is pretty inconclusive as the "songs" doesn't say format and doesn't say how much metadat in each file. |
| 15:05:01 | Bagder | Paul_the_Nerd: check the history for 5521 for the reason for the re-open |
| 15:05:10 | nano- | So imho pretty silly to have on the front page without real information ;) |
| 15:05:18 | Bagder | nano-: indeed ;-) |
| 15:05:38 | linuxstb | nano-: Does it require setting up a database, or can I just do "xmms2 *.flac" in a directory? |
| 15:06:09 | * | amiconn thinks tagcache beats the 1200 songs in 6 minutes even on archos |
| 15:06:45 | nano- | linuxstb: Maybe this is a bit OT here. xmms2 add is the command though. (for adding to playlist, and xmms2 addpath to recursively add a path to the medialib, files added to playlist will be added to mlib) |
| 15:07:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Bagder: It says it may be reopened, I've assumed that the problem has returned, but nobody's said anything to that end? |
| 15:08:04 | Bagder | Paul_the_Nerd: the history includes "This bug is back with a vengeance. I can't even switch to ID3database view without a crash. I" |
| 15:08:17 | Bagder | that is, the history tab |
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| 15:08:24 | nano- | linuxstb: for more info ask on #xmms2 here at freenode. |
| 15:08:25 | linuxstb | nano-: You're right, it's off-topic, but I think there a lot of Linux users here who want a media player on the desktop that has all the features of Rockbox. But I'll just try it and stop asking you :) |
| 15:08:37 | amiconn | linuxstb: I was trying to fix the multiple calls into the bitmap directory makefile problem. Do you know why the apps/plugins/Makefile specifies both the makefile in apps/plugins/bitmaps (with in turn calls the 4 sub-directory makefile) _and_ the 4 individual makefiles in apps/plugins/bitmaps/<sub-dir> ? |
| 15:08:37 | preglow | good luck |
| 15:08:41 | preglow | media players on linux suck |
| 15:08:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Bagder: Ah, yeah, I forgot about the History tab again. I'm not so great with flyspray. :) |
| 15:09:16 | Zagor | preglow: nah, mpg321 is all you need :) |
| 15:09:23 | Bagder | Paul_the_Nerd: I just didn't felt like entering the same info since it _is_ there, just not that easily accessible |
| 15:09:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: Another problem is that if you replace some gfx for a plugin with new ones of different resoltion, and don't 'make clean' (or at least delete the appropriate libpluginbitmaps*.a and object files, the gfx are all messed up |
| 15:10:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Bagder: Well, sorted now. Hopefully next time I'll remember to check the history first. |
| 15:10:43 | amiconn | I have an idea how this could be solved. The generated .c file must have the jabber after the first dot stripped the same way as the .h file |
| 15:11:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: That doesn't sound right. IMO, the main Makefile should just call the four sub-directory Makefiles. cvs annotate tells me that Bagder added those lines... |
| 15:11:58 | nano- | Anyway, thanks for the info about DAP's. Bye. |
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| 15:12:09 | amiconn | Oh? I thought it should be the other way round, i.e. the Makefile should only call the one in bitmaps |
| 15:12:55 | amiconn | linuxstb: Regarding libmad I have 2 simple questions, as you imported it to rockbox. First, libmad is made by Underbit technologies, but README.rockbox says Unibit technologies? I guess that's just a typo... |
| 15:13:19 | amiconn | Second, do you know if there's an official cvs or svn for libmad? |
| 15:13:29 | linuxstb | I would prefer to have all the dependencies in the main Makefile, rather than recursively calling other Makefiles. |
| 15:13:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, that would just be a typo in README.rockbox. |
| 15:15:31 | linuxstb | I don't know about CVS/SVN. There's a "mad" project but it doesn't look like it uses the Sourceforge CVS/SVN. |
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| 15:16:19 | amiconn | I was looking to find a fix for the 64 bit issues... |
| 15:19:15 | linuxstb | But you're probably right about the .c files needing the names stripping. I'll try and look at that, unless you are. |
| 15:20:42 | linuxstb | bbl |
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| 16:01:43 | markun | preglow: are you working on a embedded linux device? |
| 16:03:00 | preglow | nopes |
| 16:03:26 | preglow | i'm just trying to install with a hanging linux installer here, which gave me more than enough time to inspect the file system |
| 16:04:15 | markun | Toshiba left busybox with many nice tools on the gigabeat for us to play with :) |
| 16:04:50 | Arathis | is there any internetbrowser installed in the debian-rockbox vmware image? |
| 16:06:54 | godzirra | Any word on the 5.5g ipod? |
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| 16:16:38 | funky | hi |
| 16:16:45 | markun | hi funky |
| 16:16:59 | PaulJam | Smakk question: is it normal, that a custom keyboard layout (.kbd file) doesn't survive a reboot? Or does it have to be saved in a special place? |
| 16:19:34 | PaulJam | sorry. found the answer in the wiki. |
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| 16:26:11 | lowlight | pondlife: looking at the output in stderr.txt I see a problem. |
| 16:28:51 | pondlife | ? |
| 16:29:49 | pondlife | What do you see? |
| 16:30:23 | lowlight | let me put it on pastebin |
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| 16:31:33 | lowlight | pondlife: http://pastebin.ca/211817 |
| 16:32:04 | lowlight | I was wondering why the metadata was being read twice so I put in some debugs. |
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| 16:32:58 | lowlight | I don't understand why each track goes through audio_load_track twice and the metadata is read twice. |
| 16:33:15 | pondlife | I don't think I've seen that here... |
| 16:33:21 | pondlife | Is this on the sim or target? |
| 16:33:46 | lowlight | Also, when playing the second directory you see that the codec is opened everytime even though its the same |
| 16:34:23 | pondlife | I've seen that happen on the sim before. |
| 16:34:48 | pondlife | But assumed that was down to Windows and the DLL stuff, which is a bit hacky. |
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| 16:35:51 | lowlight | yes, this is from the sim (cygwin) |
| 16:36:25 | pondlife | I see a bug I think |
| 16:36:40 | pondlife | Ah, no. |
| 16:37:25 | pondlife | Thought there was a way to get to peek_again (yuck) with current_fd set to a valid open file... but no. |
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| 16:38:41 | lowlight | why is there a call to audio_invalidate_tracks? |
| 16:38:57 | lowlight | that's when the metadata is re-read. |
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| 16:39:23 | lowlight | err...after that the tracks are re-loaded |
| 16:39:27 | pondlife | No idea. I'm not familiar with the buffering code detail... yet,. |
| 16:39:50 | pondlife | lostlogic: around? |
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| 16:42:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | Why do we have battery benchmarks dated 2005 in our iPodRuntime page? |
| 16:42:21 | pondlife | lowlight: I'll see if I get a chance to look at it later, but expect I'll be Monday before I get time. |
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| 16:43:58 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: Probably a typo? |
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| 16:46:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: I would assume so. The months are a little suspect as well, depending on who did those tests. |
| 16:46:46 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: Well, on thing is for sure.. Rockbox didn't run on iPods back then... |
| 16:46:50 | Genre9mp3 | one thing |
| 16:47:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Yeah, well I also know when the first iPod benchmarks happened, because I ran the first one on Nano, hand timed. ;) |
| 16:47:58 | Genre9mp3 | hand timed? :) |
| 16:48:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Okay, it's just the year that's off, the rest of the dates line up with the page updates just fine. |
| 16:48:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: The battery bench plugin didn't work on Nano. I listened to music for just under 8 hours, having noted the start time on a sheet of paper |
| 16:49:08 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_the_Nerd: I guess then that battery bench is not a necessary thing to have... :) </teasing> ;) |
| 16:51:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | Genre9mp3: The battery bench is a plugin, and thus does not affect core binary size at all. :-P |
| 16:51:31 | Genre9mp3 | haha |
| 16:52:18 | Arathis | how can I access the vmware image via samba from linux? |
| 16:52:42 | Arathis | in the wiki only the path from windows is discreibed: "Share name: \\debian\user" |
| 16:53:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | Arathis: It's generally assumed that if you're on linux you'll just compile in your own linux rather than running a virtual machine. |
| 16:53:41 | Arathis | Paul_the_Nerd: I know, but it doesn't work for me. I have problems compiling the arm-elf-gcc |
| 16:54:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Arathis: Anyway, this is a more general linux question, so you may have more luck searching the 'net for how to use Linux to access samba shares. |
| 16:55:05 | Arathis | probalby |
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| 17:02:37 | Mikachu | Arathis: just use mount smb://blah/user mountdir/ i think |
| 17:03:19 | Mikachu | Arathis: actually i think it's -t smbfs //blah/user |
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| 17:05:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | Where blah is Debian? |
| 17:05:22 | Mikachu | heh, yes |
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| 17:08:04 | eight3446 | can anyone help me installing the firmware on a 3G ipod? |
| 17:08:06 | Arathis | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on smb://debian/user/, |
| 17:08:16 | Mikachu | the second one then |
| 17:08:37 | dan_a | eight3446: What's the problem? |
| 17:08:54 | eight3446 | ahh, just stuck on this step, not sure what it means "Merge the Rockbox boot loader you downloaded previously with the Apple firmware." |
| 17:09:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | Doesn't it proceed to tell you how to do that? |
| 17:09:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Using the ipod_fw tool. |
| 17:09:44 | eight3446 | it proceeds in telling you how to install the rockbox-enabled firmware. |
| 17:10:07 | Arathis | Mikachu: that was for the second. for the first it says: mount: can't get address for smb |
| 17:10:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, there are no steps telling you to issue various commands that start with ipod_fw or ./ipod_fw ? |
| 17:10:35 | eight3446 | the previous one, yes, but that is just to extract the apple firmware |
| 17:10:40 | Mikachu | Arathis: well, that's all i know |
| 17:10:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | eight3446: What instructions are you reading? |
| 17:11:04 | eight3446 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod3g/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 17:11:31 | Arathis | Mikachu: oh, I searched the local net with nautilus going to "network" and debian is listet. lets see if I can get in |
| 17:11:38 | Arathis | it's quite lame.. |
| 17:11:49 | dan_a | eight3446: Try using these: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#c_1_all_users_except_i_PodLinux |
| 17:11:49 | Arathis | :D it works |
| 17:11:55 | Mikachu | i have had little luck with gnome-vfs' smb compatibility |
| 17:11:58 | Arathis | thanks anyway |
| 17:11:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | eight3446: ipod_fw -g 3g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-3g.bin |
| 17:12:27 | eight3446 | i am on step 5. |
| 17:12:44 | * | Paul_the_Nerd just told you the line that is missing. |
| 17:12:55 | eight3446 | gotcha. |
| 17:13:07 | eight3446 | i thought you had found it in that manual and i had just missed it. |
| 17:13:08 | eight3446 | thanks. |
| 17:13:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's in other manuals for other iPods. |
| 17:13:26 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm curious why it's missing from the 3G one. |
| 17:13:40 | eight3446 | kind of an important step. |
| 17:14:16 | dan_a | IIRC, the 3g bootloader image wasn't available for a long time after the other iPods |
| 17:14:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, 3G Rockbox is still somewhat unreliable for playback, so it's possible that not much focus has been given to the manual yet. |
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| 17:14:44 | eight3446 | unreliable how? |
| 17:14:54 | dan_a | It skips |
| 17:15:11 | eight3446 | yikes. it happens often? |
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| 17:15:46 | dan_a | Not very often if you are in the menu. Several times per track if you are in the While Playing Screen |
| 17:16:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | dan_a: Even a static WPS? No scrolling or peakmeters? |
| 17:16:06 | eight3446 | alright, i am gonna go ahead and not install rockbox, hah. |
| 17:16:15 | Mikachu | i think the wps still redraws every second or so |
| 17:16:22 | dan_a | Paul_the_Nerd: Even in a static WPS |
| 17:16:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ouch |
| 17:17:02 | dan_a | I made one which *just* told me the track name, and that didn't help |
| 17:17:14 | eight3446 | thanks anyway guys, appreciate it. |
| 17:17:27 | dan_a | You're welcome! |
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| 17:21:36 | Arathis | sooo. how can I edit tagcache.c that way, that it gices me the names (and locations) of the files that produce errors via logf? |
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| 17:24:09 | amiconn | Paul_the_Nerd: The battery_bench not working on nano is because of the disk standby hack. The flash in the nano doesn't like the standby command, so the standby logic in ata.c is disabled for nano. |
| 17:24:23 | amiconn | Hence the battery_bench plugin can't trigger on spinup |
| 17:24:57 | amiconn | The solution would be to fake the standby logic instead of disabling it completely |
| 17:25:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | amiconn: I remembered it was something like that, I couldn't remember whether it was ever fixed or not. |
| 17:28:07 | preglow | amiconn: it might be something else than the standby command itself |
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| 17:28:35 | preglow | i tried to fix it a couple of months ago but failed again |
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| 17:34:41 | Arathis | or is "logf" discribed anywhere? |
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| 17:50:09 | Arathis | Mikachu: btw: the path is smb://debian/filesystem/home/user or just smb://debian . it's enough to enter it in nautilus' adress line |
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| 18:28:34 | pondlife | lowlight: I have (locally) added an interface to allow the existing file handle to be used to read mp3 metadata - curing the double-open. |
| 18:29:02 | pondlife | Does anyone feel this is worth committing, given that one day we'll have metadata-on-buffer? |
| 18:30:13 | pondlife | I also had a thought.. could the white noise be caused by the file seek pointer being moved for some reason during buffering? |
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| 18:35:22 | torpor | yo |
| 18:35:31 | torpor | can i run rockbox on an ipod video (5g) with 80gb disk? |
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| 18:35:50 | lowlight | pondlife: my issue wasn't that the file was being re-opened, but that for some reason the metadata was being re-read. |
| 18:36:27 | pondlife | Two calls to get_metadata? |
| 18:36:35 | lowlight | looked like the metadata was read during the initial buffering, and it was all being re-read again later. |
| 18:36:53 | pondlife | I didn't get that here |
| 18:36:59 | preglow | are open calls expensive? |
| 18:37:16 | pondlife | More expensive than nothing |
| 18:37:38 | preglow | yeah, but i think they might actually be somewhat expensive |
| 18:37:50 | Mikachu | torpor: not yet |
| 18:38:27 | pondlife | Well as long as the file pointer (i.e seek position) is ok - and it seems to be here - then it's easily fixed. |
| 18:38:39 | pondlife | I was wondering how expensive an lseek was |
| 18:38:41 | lowlight | pondlife: http://pastebin.ca/211817 you'll see all the metadata is read, then starting at line 129 it starts re-reading the metadata |
| 18:39:20 | lowlight | I had added some debug statements to see which function is requesting the metadata |
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| 18:39:37 | torpor | Mikachu: any idea whats involved? should i wait a week or a month? |
| 18:39:52 | Mikachu | torpor: not exactly, but i know someone is working on it |
| 18:39:54 | pondlife | audio_invalidate_tracks is the cause |
| 18:40:42 | lowlight | right...I'm not sure what triggers that when I'm just letting it play. |
| 18:40:46 | pondlife | Indicates that Q_AUDIO_FLUSH has been received |
| 18:41:22 | pondlife | Hmm, audio_invalidate_tracks should be static... |
| 18:41:54 | torpor | Mikachu: okay thanks for the info.. i'll check on rockbox a bit later when i've got something it will run on .. |
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| 18:42:30 | pondlife | OK, so something called audio_flush_and_reload_tracks() |
| 18:43:03 | lowlight | pondlife: You'll see the same thing when I played the second directory (re-read at line 344)...but no audio_invalidate_tracks. |
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| 18:44:27 | pondlife | If you can add logf output to your stderr that makes it easier to follow... |
| 18:45:00 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5883 |
| 18:45:54 | pondlife | This will then log all of the message queues too |
| 18:46:07 | pondlife | I've got to go now |
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| 18:53:30 | funky | which order I have to follow to install ipodlinux + rockbox + apple firmware on the same ipod? |
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| 18:53:58 | funky | I already have apple + rockbox installed, along with the rockbox bootloader |
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| 18:55:35 | funky | I think I had to start again, making a new partition for ipodlinux and installing loader2 |
| 18:59:41 | jhMikeS | petur: did you do any basic testing on that patch? |
| 18:59:52 | petur | not yet... |
| 18:59:53 | markun | funky: I think so too |
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| 19:00:02 | preglow | petur: also, where are the sliding animations? :PPppPpP |
| 19:00:07 | preglow | have we learned nothing from apple??? |
| 19:00:14 | petur | gonna load it now and test this weekend |
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| 19:00:30 | Mikachu | preglow: the sliding animations that lag when playing music |
| 19:00:56 | jhMikeS | most important thing atm is the source switching |
| 19:01:17 | petur | wanted to show pics to somebody and got terribly annoyed by the implementation ;) |
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| 19:01:55 | petur | preglow: had two Leffe's already and gonna have some more good stuff later on :p |
| 19:03:22 | preglow | i've got a rochefort 8 awaiting consumption |
| 19:03:28 | petur | wow |
| 19:03:30 | preglow | this day's definite highlght |
| 19:04:20 | * | petur wonders how much a rochefort costs in Norway |
| 19:04:25 | preglow | too much... |
| 19:04:32 | petur | I feared so |
| 19:04:41 | preglow | hmm, i think this one cost around 6-7 euro |
| 19:04:53 | preglow | which is horrendous |
| 19:04:58 | preglow | but rochefort is expensive here |
| 19:05:00 | * | markun is about to do a wmcodec rework commit.. |
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| 19:06:17 | * | amiconn tried Leffe once |
| 19:06:28 | preglow | petur: i just think we're lucky to have it at all with the overall shitty selection available here |
| 19:06:36 | petur | Leffe is not the top - way too commercial |
| 19:06:47 | preglow | petur: yeah, but damned tasty for a commercial beer |
| 19:06:59 | petur | but the company bar 'only' has Leffe |
| 19:06:59 | preglow | especially the brown one |
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| 19:07:04 | * | amiconn didn't like the Leffe |
| 19:07:14 | * | petur doesn't wonder |
| 19:07:21 | random81 | Hi |
| 19:07:35 | random81 | I figured out how to add a really simple plugin and compile it. |
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| 19:07:44 | petur | congrats |
| 19:07:46 | random81 | But the edit-compile-run loop takes too long using "make && make clean && make install" |
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| 19:07:54 | random81 | Any hints to speed it up , so I can just compile the plugin ? |
| 19:07:57 | preglow | random81: why do you make clean? |
| 19:08:01 | preglow | random81: just do make |
| 19:08:08 | preglow | random81: and only what you've changed will be recompiled |
| 19:08:10 | Mikachu | and why do you run make clean _after_ make??? |
| 19:08:21 | petur | lol |
| 19:08:26 | random81 | well, i havent coded c in ages |
| 19:08:47 | Mikachu | doing make clean before make will give you a 100% speed increase, not running it at all probably 5000% |
| 19:09:22 | petur | running make clean after make gives you no binaries :) |
| 19:09:34 | Mikachu | make install will probably trigger a recompile |
| 19:09:54 | random81 | thanks, i'll try |
| 19:10:22 | * | petur doesn't want to try on cygwin |
| 19:10:38 | Mikachu | heh |
| 19:10:40 | amiconn | surely not |
| 19:10:56 | amiconn | A full swcodec simulator build takes >30 minutes here :( |
| 19:11:06 | random81 | i'm using the vmware environment, and it works now |
| 19:11:38 | amiconn | ...partially because of the multiple attempts to make bitmaps |
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| 19:14:40 | Arathis | thanks to barrywardell, Mikachu, Slasheri! I found the files which caused my tag-cache not to be build :D now it works fine again |
| 19:14:48 | godzirra | anyone heard from Kalthare in the past few days? |
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| 19:18:20 | preglow | why oh why do you still torment yourself with cygwin? |
| 19:18:47 | petur | windows? |
| 19:18:52 | preglow | vmware? |
| 19:19:04 | petur | I want to edit under windows |
| 19:19:21 | petur | and the vmware services stay in memory all the time |
| 19:19:52 | petur | which is Bad Design (tm) in my opinion |
| 19:20:03 | amiconn | petur: ?? |
| 19:20:34 | petur | I tried vmware at work and it loads 2 or 3 services that hjust stay there and consume memory |
| 19:20:49 | amiconn | VMware can be configured to swap the same way as any other application. At least vmware workstation >= 5.0 and the vmware player do |
| 19:21:06 | petur | so maybe I should try again? |
| 19:21:12 | amiconn | The services are neglectible imho, the VM(s) consume more |
| 19:21:43 | markun | could anyone with a DAP with a Wolfson codec please try the latest build? |
| 19:21:45 | amiconn | I would use vmware - if there would be a convenient way to edit under windows. I could share the home directory and map a network drive - but then many windows apps would become slow when the VM isn't running |
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| 19:22:19 | amiconn | Perhaps I should set up a VM exclusively for cvs and compilation, without any gui |
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| 19:22:29 | amiconn | ...and leave that running all the time |
| 19:22:53 | amiconn | That would require to cross-compile the sims for windows though |
| 19:22:53 | Slasheri | Arathis: could you send the file(s) to me? |
| 19:23:03 | Slasheri | so the problem can be permanently fixed |
| 19:23:03 | amiconn | Not sure whether that'd be possible |
| 19:23:59 | amiconn | My preferred editor works on wine, but wine apps don't get a button in the taskbar, at least not with gnome |
| 19:24:17 | amiconn | And no, I won't switch to KDE, that's for sure |
| 19:24:55 | petur | I don't know linux so the step is bigger for me... |
| 19:25:16 | Arathis | Slasheri: which file? I just added two 'logf' lines to tagcache.c so it reportes me the position of the error in tagcache_tmp.tcd. I than used hexedit to see which musicfile this was and deleted it. could have renamed it to a shorter name as well I think. |
| 19:25:20 | amiconn | The vmware services add up to ~4.5MB of memory here. Nothing to worry about... |
| 19:25:28 | godzirra | Can anyone help me out? I apparently completely ran down my ipod's battery. |
| 19:25:37 | godzirra | now when I plug it into the usb port, nothing happens. |
| 19:26:29 | amiconn | Just leave it plugged for a while |
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| 19:26:33 | godzirra | But its not charging. |
| 19:26:42 | godzirra | It shows up something when it charge. |
| 19:26:43 | godzirra | charges. |
| 19:26:46 | Slasheri | Arathis: do you think the problem was because of a too long filename?= |
| 19:26:50 | godzirra | and its been plugged in for... I dunno.. 20-30 minutes? |
| 19:26:55 | amiconn | hmm |
| 19:26:59 | amiconn | That's bad, then |
| 19:27:00 | Slasheri | it would be nice to have the file you deleted for closer inspection |
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| 19:27:37 | godzirra | no suggestions? |
| 19:27:41 | amiconn | Of course it can only display something if there's enough juice for the system to start, but it should charge even without display (I guess) |
| 19:28:05 | amiconn | Maybe it hung, but now charged enough to display something when you reset it? |
| 19:29:01 | godzirra | how do I reset it? |
| 19:29:09 | amiconn | Select+Menu, as usual |
| 19:29:21 | godzirra | but I thought you had to have it turned on to reset it like that? |
| 19:29:25 | amiconn | ...for 5 seconds or so |
| 19:29:39 | godzirra | ah ha! |
| 19:29:41 | godzirra | you're my hero. |
| 19:29:55 | godzirra | its charging now. |
| 19:30:07 | amiconn | [19:28:05] <amiconn> Maybe it hung, .. <= that means it could be on, but fail to display anything |
| 19:30:20 | godzirra | resetting it worked. |
| 19:30:31 | amiconn | It was charging before as well, just you couldn't see that it did |
| 19:30:36 | * | godzirra nods |
| 19:30:38 | godzirra | makes sense. |
| 19:30:51 | godzirra | thingsl ike that cause me to worry though. I wish I could find a h340 =p |
| 19:31:49 | PaulJam_ | i think the same situation can happen with a h300 if rockbox hangs while the display is off. |
| 19:32:22 | godzirra | Probably. I just really liked my H120 compared to the ipod ;p |
| 19:33:35 | Arathis | Slasheri: I think so. I deleted the directory at once, don't know why.. but the file had a really long name. I don't know if it was the only one causing this error or just the first. I could test it if it's helpfull |
| 19:34:00 | Slasheri | Arathis: that would be very helpful |
| 19:34:08 | Arathis | Slasheri: the file's path was: "music/Soundtracks/Filme/Star Wars/Starwars Episode 6 - Return of the Jedi/Starwars - Episode 6 OST CD2/07 - The Battle Of Endor II (Leia Is Wounded &The Duel Begins & Overtaking the Bunker & The Dark Side Beckons & The Emperor's Death).mp3" |
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| 19:34:18 | Arathis | so it was *really* long |
| 19:34:29 | Slasheri | oh, that's long |
| 19:34:53 | Slasheri | but it still shouldn't crash.. |
| 19:35:28 | Arathis | I could send you the one file while testing if tagcache works without it, but with the rest of the directory |
| 19:35:59 | Arathis | Slasheri: do you have an H10? |
| 19:37:12 | Slasheri | Arathis: nope, only h140. But i can test with simulator |
| 19:37:12 | amiconn | petur: Did you test your jpeg.c change (and also let it test on greyscale targets)? |
| 19:37:39 | amiconn | I suspect this will hard-clash with the grayscale library. |
| 19:38:21 | Arathis | Slasheri: I'll upload the file for you in a minute. |
| 19:38:53 | markun | Well, if audio output on the ipods is broken just let me know.. |
| 19:39:10 | Genre9mp3 | eeer... wht's that wolfdon codec? |
| 19:39:14 | Genre9mp3 | *wolfson |
| 19:39:32 | markun | the sounds chip |
| 19:39:44 | Genre9mp3 | ah.. |
| 19:39:48 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
| 19:39:57 | Genre9mp3 | I though it was something like an audio codec |
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| 19:40:02 | markun | no |
| 19:40:14 | Genre9mp3 | forgive my ignorance |
| 19:40:18 | Genre9mp3 | anyway gtg |
| 19:40:27 | amiconn | It is called audiocodec |
| 19:40:37 | amiconn | That's obviously to confuse people... |
| 19:41:23 | Slasheri | Arathis: thanks |
| 19:42:30 | petur | amiconn: sorry, I figured it was a quite harmless change |
| 19:42:32 | amiconn | Hmm. Building that nano sim took "only" 29 minutes :( |
| 19:43:01 | petur | but I gtg now |
| 19:43:11 | amiconn | petur: The problem is that the main thread *must not* call any functions accessing the LCD directly while the grayscale isr is running |
| 19:43:32 | petur | I only removed some, not add any |
| 19:43:32 | amiconn | This will confuse the lcd controller for sure |
| 19:43:41 | amiconn | You added some |
| 19:43:56 | Arathis | Slasheri: shall I send you the modified tagcache.c too? just so you know where in there the problem is |
| 19:44:00 | amiconn | ...in th efirst block of changes, around line 2340 |
| 19:44:15 | Slasheri | Arathis: please :) |
| 19:44:41 | petur | amiconn: I really gtg, will check later if you haven't already |
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| 19:45:09 | * | amiconn would really prefer if such things are checked _before_ commit :( |
| 19:46:57 | Slasheri | Arathis: hmm.. do you have a firewall? |
| 19:47:07 | amiconn | *hrmpf* |
| 19:47:14 | Slasheri | it seems my client can't connect to you |
| 19:47:24 | Arathis | Slasheri: I don't know. :/ |
| 19:48:01 | Arathis | It's my PC, but I live in a hostel |
| 19:48:22 | Slasheri | ah, probably there are some restrictions then.. hmm |
| 19:48:26 | Slasheri | do you have linux? :) |
| 19:48:49 | Arathis | Slasheri: www.sinlos.net/dirk/tagcache.c |
| 19:48:54 | Arathis | yes, ubuntu dapper |
| 19:49:00 | amiconn | Arathis: If you're behind a nat router, dcc send won't work without proper router configuration |
| 19:49:13 | Slasheri | ok, then you could use netcat to stream the raw data to a given port ;) |
| 19:49:19 | Arathis | www.sinlos.net/dirk/05 - The Battle Of Endor I (Into The Trap & Forest Ambush & Scout Walker Scramble & Prime Weapon Fires) .mp3 |
| 19:49:29 | Slasheri | ok, great :) |
| 19:49:38 | amiconn | dcc send works in reverse direction, i.e. the sending client advertises an IP and port where the receiving client can connect to |
| 19:51:03 | Slasheri | Arathis: got it, thanks |
| 19:51:14 | Arathis | hope it helps |
| 19:51:35 | Slasheri | i will try it with simulator soon and hope it crashes |
| 19:51:58 | Arathis | :D |
| 19:52:38 | Arathis | btw: I inserted too lines at ll. 2106 and 2107 in tagcache.c |
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| 19:57:27 | My_Sic | i have some problem to compil my own rockbox |
| 19:58:07 | My_Sic | on my computer under Windows, or in a shell under linux, or another under Sun i have always the same error : arm-elf-gcc: Command not found |
| 19:58:54 | My_Sic | but under windows with cygwin, arm-elf-gcc is installed |
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| 20:00:25 | obo | Anyone here who can commit a one-line patch for me please? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6218 |
| 20:03:20 | Arathis | Slasheri: that's weird. I recopied the whole folder I deleted earlier and now tagcache builds as normal oO |
| 20:04:56 | Slasheri | hmm.. folder contents were exactly same? |
| 20:05:04 | Arathis | yes |
| 20:05:07 | Slasheri | maybe there was a disk problem then |
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| 20:05:26 | Arathis | at least I don't know what I should have changed |
| 20:11:47 | Arathis | btw: how can it be that my playlists won't show up if I go from "tag-cache menu >> context menu >> playlist catalog", but if I go through the options menu they do? |
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| 20:25:29 | My_Sic | please where i can find arm-elf-gcc for windows ? |
| 20:29:32 | Arathis | Slasheri: okay, I hadn't put the dir to the right location. that's why it worked |
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| 20:37:26 | Arathis | Slasheri: but now I renamed the file and it worked. So it was really just a too long filename |
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| 20:42:39 | XavierGr | petur: about the vmware resident processes, I made a little batch program that will run each needed service for vmware to run and then when I finish with the sim and close vmware the batch will autoclose those services (processes) |
| 20:43:43 | amiconn | That only works if you're admin |
| 20:43:55 | amiconn | (or otherwise have the necessary rights to start/stop services) |
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| 20:51:26 | barrywardell | My_Sic: search the rockbox wiki for either vmware or cygwin |
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| 21:08:32 | My_Sic | thanks i will try vmare |
| 21:14:00 | markun | wibbix just loaded and ran rockbox on his Gigabeat! not much is working, but again some progress. |
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| 21:15:11 | pagefault | barrywardell, thank you for all your work on the h10 port |
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| 21:23:31 | barrywardell | pagefault: np. i don't really consider it work |
| 21:23:56 | pagefault | well hobby/project whatever you call it |
| 21:24:06 | pagefault | i've been following it since sept and ti's come a long way |
| 21:28:56 | godzirra | Is Kalthare the only one working on the 5.5 as far as you guysk now? |
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| 21:46:48 | deesh | Does Rockbox support video file formats? |
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| 21:48:52 | barrywardell | deesh: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 21:54:32 | lowlight | pondlife: if you read the logs...I wanted to post this before I go for the weekend (and forget what I was doing)... |
| 21:54:56 | lowlight | there's something odd about codec_load_next_track() in playback.c |
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| 21:55:45 | TerrorByte | hi |
| 21:56:14 | TerrorByte | anyone here? |
| 21:56:14 | nls | beautiful now I cant reach my vmware share for some reason arg! |
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| 21:56:21 | nls | maybe... |
| 21:56:43 | TerrorByte | lol |
| 21:57:00 | TerrorByte | damn, i cant wait for sound to appear on MPEG player.... |
| 21:57:06 | TerrorByte | is there any word on when that'll get done? |
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| 21:57:30 | TerrorByte | TerrorByte: lol |
| 21:57:35 | lowlight | first, it waits for Q_CODEC_REQUEST_PENDING, but that is never set in the code (it's commented out) so that loop is skipped and it's possible to return false which indicates that the next track can't be loaded |
| 21:57:42 | nls | TerrorByte, No, afaik no-one is working on it atm. |
| 21:57:48 | TerrorByte | aw... |
| 21:57:52 | TerrorByte | no one's working on it? |
| 21:58:05 | TerrorByte | it should be top priority! :P |
| 21:58:57 | TerrorByte | nls: no one's even working on it?? |
| 21:59:13 | nls | You can make it YOUR top priority :-P |
| 21:59:43 | lowlight | pondlife: what I see in some of the logging is that the codec requests a track, Q_AUDIO_CHECK_NEW_TRACK is sent, but somehow Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED is received before audio_check_new_track() is called. |
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| 22:00:48 | lowlight | the codec quits, and and then I see audio_check_new_track() being called which indeed finds the next track. |
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| 22:02:25 | TerrorByte | i have NO idea how to go about this stuff... |
| 22:02:29 | TerrorByte | I just want it done! |
| 22:02:40 | TerrorByte | I can't believe there's no work being done on it. |
| 22:02:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: For an music player, why should video be a top priority over things like getting bugs fixed, and battery life? |
| 22:02:58 | amiconn | (1) we don't estimate dates (2) rockbox is a dap firmware, so video certainly isn't top priority |
| 22:03:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: There's no work being done on it because all the people who really want it all have no idea how to do it. :-P |
| 22:03:18 | amiconn | Devs are free to choose what they're working on |
| 22:03:25 | lowlight | pondlife: it seems like adding too many debugf/logfs changes the timing of events to the benefit of the check new track queue event so the failure doesn't happen. |
| 22:03:25 | TerrorByte | Of course bugs/battery is important, but nevertheless.... |
| 22:03:28 | TerrorByte | Yesh I do know that. |
| 22:03:30 | TerrorByte | I can wait. |
| 22:03:48 | TerrorByte | I'm just saying that it should be done eventually. |
| 22:04:10 | TerrorByte | Jeez ;P |
| 22:04:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | What does "eventually" have to do with whether anyone's working on it now, though? |
| 22:05:02 | lowlight | pondlife: it's possible that the white noise may be caused by pcmbuf_play_stop() statement that isn't reached because Q_CODEC_REQUEST_PENDING isn't set. So maybe the pcmbuf plays stuff when it should have been stopped. |
| 22:05:25 | TerrorByte | It still matters. |
| 22:05:34 | TerrorByte | There could be some work being done on it... |
| 22:05:37 | TerrorByte | But not such a big focus. |
| 22:05:40 | nls | Yay reebooting the vm helped, isn't linux supposed to never have to reboot :-P |
| 22:05:58 | amiconn | haha |
| 22:06:06 | TerrorByte | I'm very new to Rockbox. |
| 22:06:12 | TerrorByte | And I know that the devs know best. |
| 22:06:17 | TerrorByte | I'm just SAYING.............. |
| 22:06:18 | TerrorByte | -_-; |
| 22:06:46 | amiconn | TerrorByte: Not much point in adding sound support as long as the video isn't even up to speed |
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| 22:07:16 | TerrorByte | amiconn: What's wrong with the video? |
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| 22:07:27 | TerrorByte | amiconn: I converted a few things. They did seem alright. |
| 22:08:16 | jhMikeS | devs may be free to choose what they're working on but may they beware! :D |
| 22:09:22 | TerrorByte | LOL. |
| 22:09:24 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 22:09:45 | TerrorByte | Because it would be pretty sick to have video on it :) |
| 22:10:16 | amiconn | Video decoding isn't realtime on all targets yet |
| 22:10:50 | * | jhMikeS wants to take on USBOTG with the ALi chip... (masochisic he is) |
| 22:11:21 | TerrorByte | Hey, I have a question. |
| 22:11:28 | TerrorByte | When I convert using the batch file... |
| 22:11:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That'll be HARD.... |
| 22:11:34 | TerrorByte | The video gets cut off in the middle. |
| 22:11:43 | TerrorByte | Sometimes.. |
| 22:11:47 | TerrorByte | For some videos. |
| 22:11:49 | TerrorByte | Why is that? |
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| 22:12:15 | amiconn | I think our best option is to wait for usbotg support happening on H300 (this chip is documented, fortunately), and the figure out the necessary bits & pieces for the ali chip |
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| 22:13:26 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I shudder to think ... but I'd like a way to watch the OF communicate with it. Wonder if an accurate enough emulator could be assembled to make the OF thinks it's running on a real device. I don't have any logic analyzers or any such eq. |
| 22:13:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Ali chip? |
| 22:14:22 | amiconn | Imho LA won't help much |
| 22:14:42 | amiconn | Either we manage to figure it out from a disassembly, or we need to hook up a bdm wiggler |
| 22:14:57 | jhMikeS | bdm wiggler? |
| 22:15:03 | preglow | hardware debugger |
| 22:15:06 | amiconn | How would you emulate an undocumented chip? |
| 22:15:10 | jhMikeS | hmmm... |
| 22:15:33 | amiconn | bdm == background debug module; see coldfire manual |
| 22:15:55 | jhMikeS | don't emulate the chip at once...just watch the first thing it does to communicate with it. And immitate the responses working forward from that. |
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| 22:16:12 | amiconn | How would you know the correct response? |
| 22:16:27 | jhMikeS | But a hw debugger might be better. |
| 22:16:45 | RogerBacon | anyone here working on code usb stack ? |
| 22:17:03 | TerrorByte | question... |
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| 22:17:10 | TerrorByte | how come the batch file doesn't work right? |
| 22:17:19 | TerrorByte | it doesn't convert the whole video... |
| 22:17:23 | jhMikeS | Isolate the code that sends the data. I'm just looking for suggestions since I've never attempted it. I'd learn a lot from it. |
| 22:17:25 | TerrorByte | converts like 3 or 5 secs. |
| 22:17:28 | TerrorByte | anyone |
| 22:17:32 | TerrorByte | ? |
| 22:18:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: The batch file just runs VLC with a certain command line. If VLC isn't working right for you, you should contact its support channels. |
| 22:18:05 | jhMikeS | I don't have a unit that I'd want to rip into either. |
| 22:18:46 | TerrorByte | Paul_the_Nerd: Bah, thanks..... |
| 22:19:01 | jhMikeS | Well...if we get the data sent out...we can watch the responses on real hw |
| 22:19:58 | amiconn | Imho we should first try to understand it from the disassembly, after we have working usbotg on H300. If that doesn't help, bdm might be the only other option |
| 22:20:14 | amiconn | This is the method with the least 'unknowns' in it |
| 22:23:32 | jhMikeS | What good dissasm tools are available? Where? |
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| 22:24:50 | jhMikeS | Isolating all that in their megabytes of goop seems a bit intimidating but a lot seems to be graphics under a casual look. |
| 22:25:11 | preglow | a lot, but far from all |
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| 22:25:53 | amiconn | People seem to use ida pro a lot, but imho the tool doesn't matter much; as long as it gives correct results, it should be good enough |
| 22:26:05 | preglow | the tool really does matter |
| 22:26:07 | jhMikeS | And language stuff, character tables for all that unicode...wonder how much is actually live code. |
| 22:26:11 | preglow | ida pro is a dream to work with compared with other tool |
| 22:26:12 | preglow | s |
| 22:26:35 | amiconn | preglow: What feature of ida pro is so superior to other disassemblers? |
| 22:26:54 | amiconn | I've had a look, it seemed rather slow to me |
| 22:27:26 | preglow | amiconn: the fact that it really organizes the disassembly so well |
| 22:27:28 | amiconn | With archos, I just used sh2d to disassemble, then studied the code in an editor |
| 22:27:30 | preglow | and helps you do it too |
| 22:27:33 | jhMikeS | Is it a killer on the wallet? |
| 22:27:41 | preglow | also, it does a lot of educated guessing |
| 22:27:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: oh yes |
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| 22:29:05 | preglow | so it's not a real option, of course |
| 22:29:16 | jhMikeS | hmmm appears to be similar to getting into some Adobe apps |
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| 22:30:33 | preglow | amiconn: but anyway, what choices have we really got? i don't know of much besides objdump, and that sucks |
| 22:30:48 | amiconn | objdump is buggy for coldfire |
| 22:31:01 | preglow | buggy and highly insufficient |
| 22:31:18 | preglow | imagine mixed thumb and 32 bit code on arm |
| 22:31:34 | preglow | a scenario you'll see a lot |
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| 22:34:45 | barrywardell | h3mod can be useful for finding images in the firmware. That way you can ignore those blocks of the file |
| 22:35:29 | jhMikeS | The USBOTG thing is the only reason I ever touch the OF, otherwise it's useless. |
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| 22:37:51 | amiconn | How do you do that on X5? |
| 22:38:49 | jhMikeS | I just plug in my camera. There's a menu item along with the radio stuff. I forget the name of it. |
| 22:39:21 | amiconn | No, I mean how you use the OF? |
| 22:39:32 | amiconn | We don't have (official, reliable) dual boot |
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| 22:39:48 | amiconn | ...unlike on H300 |
| 22:39:57 | jhMikeS | heh...I did have the dual boot but I'll just reflash to that if needed which is rare |
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| 22:40:32 | jhMikeS | Shouldn't the dual booting be just part of the bootloader and detect whether or not it's been joined? |
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| 22:40:58 | jhMikeS | It worked rather well actually. |
| 22:41:20 | amiconn | The existing dual boot patch relies on certain addresses in the OF |
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| 22:41:35 | amiconn | If those change (e.g. different version) -> poof |
| 22:42:14 | jhMikeS | To my knowledge no OF released used anything different. If it's something they can't change then you're safe I suppose. |
| 22:43:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | But we don't know that they can't, just that they haven't yet, right? |
| 22:43:14 | jhMikeS | Can the boot ROM code be changed? |
| 22:43:20 | jhMikeS | Is it really ROM? |
| 22:43:35 | amiconn | Afaik the addresses used are some routines which might change address with any new of version |
| 22:43:49 | nls | Is it just me or does "Press STOP to continue." sound umm... a bit weird? |
| 22:43:56 | amiconn | I don't care enough about the of to dig into it |
| 22:43:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | I can't imagine that there's anything there that we can't just do ourselves, is there? |
| 22:44:36 | amiconn | ...mainly because the X5 is so cumbersome for travelling because of the subpack |
| 22:45:23 | jhMikeS | no subpack for USBOTG though |
| 22:45:37 | amiconn | Yes, sure |
| 22:45:45 | preglow | i need to get another h1x0 for when this one breaks |
| 22:45:48 | jhMikeS | But the preloader (0x0000-0xFFFF) is permanent or can be reflashed? |
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| 22:48:32 | amiconn | I didn't dig into X5 flashing yet. I guess the preloader is protected by the built-in flasher, but there surely is no hardware protection |
| 22:48:54 | jhMikeS | I also wonder if the LCD driver is really still only 90% finished as in the wiki :) |
| 22:50:16 | amiconn | Your 18->16 bit change is looking good. I can't see why it shouldn't work on all X5s |
| 22:50:44 | * | amiconn is still puzzled about the slowness of his emacified lcd_yuv_blit() :( |
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| 22:50:52 | preglow | rockbox uses the display in 16 bit mode now? |
| 22:51:32 | jhMikeS | The data format changed from say |rrrrr0ggg|gggbbbbb0| to |rrrrrggg0|gggbbbbb0| and this use on a 9-bit bus isn't documented |
| 22:51:49 | jhMikeS | It becomes 8-bit |
| 22:51:59 | amiconn | Not truly |
| 22:52:18 | jhMikeS | not truely except it ignores bit 0 in each transmission |
| 22:52:46 | sk | hello, im looking for help. |
| 22:52:46 | amiconn | The transfer format is still rgb666, but the lowest bit of R and B is ignored because dithering is disabled and the internal framebuffer is 16 bit only |
| 22:53:14 | jhMikeS | look closer....it takes 5 bits for red now |
| 22:53:52 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 22:54:03 | jhMikeS | it's more like RGB 576 |
| 22:55:03 | sk | im installing rockbox onto 3rd gen ipod. i believe it needs to be formatted with fat32, but i get stuck in the process of installing with terminal (im on a G5 PPC) when it says there is no partition to be found. does the windows version firmware need to be on the ipod to install? |
| 22:55:23 | sk | at the moment the ipod is wiped and formatted with fat32. but i have no way of installing the firmware for that format |
| 22:56:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | sk: Did you follow the Installation from OSX instructions, or did you just reformat your iPod? |
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| 22:56:23 | jhMikeS | the switch keeps the video to RGB666 and only changes the DIT bit when it needs to. :P |
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| 22:58:04 | amiconn | Yes, saw that |
| 22:58:41 | amiconn | It's basically rgb565 like on 8 bit bus but 1 bit shifted up |
| 22:58:49 | amiconn | (like the commands) |
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| 23:01:48 | jhMikeS | yup...should just shadow the registers instead of or-ing things though. |
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| 23:04:14 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The rest of R_ENTRY_MODE stays the same, right? |
| 23:04:25 | nls | Would anybody cry if I commit this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6027 |
| 23:04:29 | amiconn | If so, you don't need to shadow the register. Just use 2 constants |
| 23:05:43 | jhMikeS | That's the kind of "shadowing" I was speaking of really. For the contrast more of the usual sense. |
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| 23:11:31 | TerrorByte | hey guys |
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| 23:11:41 | TerrorByte | are there only DOOM wad files? |
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| 23:15:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Several games used the .wad format for their resource files |
| 23:15:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | But it's not RockWadReader, it's RockDoom. |
| 23:16:28 | TerrorByte | True. |
| 23:16:29 | TerrorByte | -_-; |
| 23:16:35 | TerrorByte | Shouldn't have asked. |
| 23:17:42 | TerrorByte | So, what's required in getting sound in the videos? |
| 23:17:56 | TerrorByte | What has to be done? |
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| 23:18:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well right now it'll slow down video playback ALOT. |
| 23:19:05 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 23:19:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | So really things need to be optimized to the point where enabling it won't slow everything down to molasses-like speeds |
| 23:19:11 | TerrorByte | And how can video playback itself be improved? |
| 23:19:16 | TerrorByte | Ah. |
| 23:19:28 | TerrorByte | About the encoding of the videos. |
| 23:19:40 | TerrorByte | Right now, it only plays non-encoded forms right? |
| 23:19:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | What do you mean? |
| 23:19:58 | Bagder | MpegPlayer plays... mpeg! |
| 23:20:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | Right now it plays MPEG2 and MPEG1 compressed videos... |
| 23:20:11 | TerrorByte | But nothing else.. |
| 23:20:25 | TerrorByte | Will it be able to play other compression videos? |
| 23:20:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | I don't understand the question. |
| 23:20:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | You're going to have to reencode videos no matter what to get them to a size to playback decently fast. |
| 23:21:05 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 23:21:10 | nls | Bagder, does this lok ok from a langv2 perspective ? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6027 |
| 23:21:13 | TerrorByte | Wow, you guys got sound done for the iPOD :) |
| 23:21:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | I mean, do you have a reason to prefer a different compressed format? |
| 23:21:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | Sound for the iPod? |
| 23:21:29 | TerrorByte | No, I don't care what the compression method. |
| 23:21:33 | TerrorByte | Aas long as it works. |
| 23:21:41 | TerrorByte | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-01/0543.shtml |
| 23:22:13 | Bagder | nls: yes I believe so |
| 23:22:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: So why were you asking about other compression methods when we already support two? |
| 23:22:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: Also, yes, that's the announcement from January that we had music playing on iPods |
| 23:22:45 | nls | I will commit it then. |
| 23:23:08 | TerrorByte | Paul_the_Nerd: Will sound ever get done for the H10? |
| 23:23:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: The H10 has sound too. |
| 23:23:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: That announcement has *nothing* to do with Video |
| 23:23:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's just "sound" |
| 23:23:52 | Bagder | videoless sound ;-) |
| 23:23:57 | TerrorByte | Paul_the_Nerd: Oh. -___-; |
| 23:23:59 | TerrorByte | LOL. |
| 23:24:02 | TerrorByte | Whoops. |
| 23:24:02 | TerrorByte | Heh. |
| 23:24:21 | TerrorByte | Paul_the_Nerd: Also, dunno how to really say this, but which of the Rockbox supported MP3 players is most capable? |
| 23:24:48 | TerrorByte | Paul_the_Nerd: Power wise... Or something... Are they about the same? Or do really sine? |
| 23:24:51 | TerrorByte | shine* |
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| 23:25:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: It really depends. Each has its own strengths depending on what you're doing, I guess. |
| 23:26:30 | TerrorByte | Paul_the_Nerd: How about in terms of video and sound playback? Because video playback is slow on the H10... |
| 23:27:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: Video playback is slow on all of them right now, except maybe the Nano. |
| 23:27:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Though actually the H10 should be reasonable. |
| 23:27:58 | TerrorByte | Paul_the_Nerd: And what do you guys need to do exactly to get video up to speed? |
| 23:28:13 | amiconn | Optimise, optimise and optimise |
| 23:28:17 | TerrorByte | Paul_the_Nerd: Yes video on the H10 is reasonable. But it still is a tad bit slow... |
| 23:28:19 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 23:28:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: How many FPS do you get on the sample file? |
| 23:28:35 | TerrorByte | I have not tried the sample file. |
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| 23:28:41 | TerrorByte | Should I right now? |
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| 23:28:54 | TerrorByte | Can it ever get to such a level of optimization so that it runs video/audio smoothly? |
| 23:29:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | There's not an easy way to predict that |
| 23:30:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | Especially since you aren't defining "smoothly" |
| 23:30:20 | TerrorByte | Well you said audio and video slows to a crawl. |
| 23:30:25 | TerrorByte | Want me to test the sample file? |
| 23:30:49 | TerrorByte | So I guess smoothly = video runs a bit faster with audio. |
| 23:30:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: I said it would slow to a crawl. Not that it does. |
| 23:30:53 | barrywardell | the sample file runs near 25 fps on the H10 20GB |
| 23:31:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: "Bit faster" doesn't mean anything either. |
| 23:31:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: You're talking in relative terms to a subjective point that I don't know where is. |
| 23:31:20 | TerrorByte | Okay, where is the testfile? |
| 23:31:27 | TerrorByte | I want to see how well it runs. |
| 23:32:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | TerrorByte: What type of player do you have? |
| 23:32:25 | TerrorByte | I'll be back in a few mins. |
| 23:32:30 | TerrorByte | Later. |
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| 23:34:11 | amiconn | Do we have a suitable testfile for the H10 5GB ? |
| 23:34:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Doesn't look like it |
| 23:34:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | The H10 20 should perform faster than the Nano, right? |
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| 23:37:43 | barrywardell | i'll test now |
| 23:38:53 | jhMikeS | Did mirak give up on video? |
| 23:39:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Wasn't Mirak working on MPEG4? |
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| 23:39:40 | mirak | jhMikeS: no time actually |
| 23:39:46 | jhMikeS | Paul_the_Nerd: last I knew he was working on libmpeg2 |
| 23:40:06 | mirak | jhMikeS: last job was trying to reduce ffmpeg mpeg2 |
| 23:40:07 | jhMikeS | mirak: hello...I see |
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| 23:40:30 | mirak | I don't think I will have time next week too |
| 23:40:33 | amiconn | mirak: Did put up a patch of your asm optimised idct stuff somewhere? |
| 23:40:46 | mirak | amiconn: yes on patch tracker |
| 23:40:55 | amiconn | d'oh |
| 23:41:09 | barrywardell | looks like the test video is at about 22-24fps on my h10 |
| 23:41:43 | mirak | without asm that's great |
| 23:41:44 | barrywardell | 33fps for the 160x96 test video |
| 23:41:57 | mirak | I think it shouldn't be hard to port the idct I did to asm arm |
| 23:42:06 | mirak | if you know arm asm at least ... |
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| 23:42:44 | jhMikeS | Yeah those x5-designers really had to sacrifice bus with just to say they had 262,144 shades or whatever. What a terrible choice. |
| 23:43:30 | barrywardell | the h10 lcd is identical to the x5 |
| 23:43:40 | jhMikeS | It's 9-bit? |
| 23:44:26 | jhMikeS | They could have used the whole 16-bit width and send one pixel with one write instead of two. |
| 23:44:29 | amiconn | Gah |
| 23:44:41 | amiconn | This subpack thingy always hides somewhere :/ |
| 23:44:50 | barrywardell | no, sorry it's 8-bit |
| 23:44:59 | barrywardell | we use the interface on the pp chip i think |
| 23:45:10 | barrywardell | but it's the same actual lcd hardware |
| 23:45:25 | jhMikeS | heh...my subpack is in my bag...my x5 sits in its cradle with a blanky |
| 23:46:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | barrywardell: I think I get slightly better than that for fullscreen on Nano, and slightly worse for letterbox, oddly. |
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| 23:46:39 | jhMikeS | pp must do better with actual decoding then |
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| 23:49:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: The Nano and the H10 are both Portalplayer based. |
| 23:49:35 | dmat | hi. Anyone here have a 1st gen Nano with Rockbox on? |
| 23:49:54 | barrywardell | Paul_the_Nerd: yes, that is odd |
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| 23:50:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | barrywardell: but in all honesty it's been a while since I tried, my memory could be serving me poorly, or the performance could have changed slightly since then. :) |
| 23:50:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | barrywardell: Ooooor, I could've had framerate limiting on during widescreen playback. |
| 23:50:51 | * | Paul_the_Nerd cannot remember. |
| 23:51:27 | PaulJam | Is it possible to load a keyboard layout via a .cfg file? The manual doesn't mention the custom keyboard layouts at all. |
| 23:51:39 | barrywardell | it makes sense that they're fairly similar anyway |
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| 23:52:09 | dmat | I'm using today's daily build and I can't get rockdoom to work... |
| 23:52:39 | dmat | The mp3 playback is fine though... ;-) |
| 23:53:09 | nls | dmat, did ti use to work for you? |
| 23:53:23 | nls | it even |
| 23:53:58 | dmat | No, first time install, but the wiki lists it as supported on 1st gen Nano |
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| 23:54:33 | nls | I think that's correct, so did you follow the instructions? |
| 23:54:46 | dmat | I patched my v1.2 Apple FW with the bootloader using -g video rather than -g nano |
| 23:55:01 | dmat | The bootloader appears fine and chains the apple fw |
| 23:55:21 | nls | did you install rockbox? |
| 23:55:25 | dmat | I added the 20061020 daily build and font package to the disk and rebooted |
| 23:55:41 | nls | and rockbox started? |
| 23:55:41 | dmat | Rockboxs runs fine and plays mp3s OK |
| 23:55:50 | dmat | cube plugin runs |
| 23:55:57 | dmat | other plugins run |
| 23:56:06 | nls | And did you follow the doom instructions? |
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| 23:56:36 | dmat | I added the rockdoom.wad and correctly named doom wads to /games/doom |
| 23:56:47 | dmat | then started rockdoom plugin |
| 23:56:53 | dmat | the menu comes up |
| 23:57:08 | dmat | selected a wad and went to play game |
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| 23:57:09 | jhMikeS | Rolo will reset static variables to defaults correct since it reloads the image? |
| 23:58:01 | dmat | But after a number of messages which are too long for the screen width, I get a segfault messagee |
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| 23:58:08 | dmat | Well not segfault |
| 23:58:29 | dmat | What's the rockbox segfault equivalent? |
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