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#rockbox log for 2006-10-20

00:00:03Mikachuyw
00:00:10sawomaybe this guy is updating the site or something..
00:01:03Kitt0s4g is ipod color\photo right?
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00:05:26sawoKitt0s ya
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00:08:32Kitt0sso is this
00:08:33Kitt0shttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594
00:08:36Kitt0sonly for 5g?:'\
00:09:58liniOutput is 1764 bytes larger than max (233456)
00:10:22liniheh, so i guess this means no more trying to optimize the build to fit the limit
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00:16:05Kitt0s$ ../tools/configure
00:16:05Kitt0sbash: ../tools/configure: No such file or directory
00:16:08Kitt0swhat is that?!
00:16:32linimake sure that you are in the correct folder
00:16:50Kitt0si am
00:16:56Kitt0smade rockbox dir
00:17:00Kitt0sthen put the source there
00:17:02Kitt0sthen cd rockbox
00:17:10Kitt0sthen ../tools/configure
00:17:18stripwax_no - make a build dir first
00:17:19liniyou need to make a build folder first
00:17:22stripwax_then cd to the build dir
00:17:31liniinside the rockbox folder
00:17:52Kitt0sho lol
00:17:52Kitt0s:D
00:18:29Kitt0swhen do i add the patches?
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00:19:00stripwax_when? before you build
00:20:02Kitt0safter ../to...configure?
00:20:38scorchebefore
00:20:43Kitt0scrap :\
00:20:50scorcheit doesnt matter really
00:20:53Kitt0sho ok
00:21:14stripwax_after, before, doesn't matter. before you run "make"
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00:22:43 Join yipe [0] (n=yipely@12-218-163-227.client.mchsi.com)
00:22:48yipehi rockboxers ت
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00:23:45stripwax_lo
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00:24:22yipeI have been having SUCH a tough time with my ipod lately
00:24:30yipenow the battery doesn't seem to be charging right
00:24:37yipeI've had it like a month
00:24:50stripwax_what does "charging right" mean to you?
00:25:31yipewhen I plug the ipod in, the battery should charge, if I leave it plugged in all night, it should be fully charged the next morning, giving it the power to play music for at least a couple hours
00:26:52yipemy expectations of the battery and charging are not being met
00:27:01stripwax_Rockbox doesn't implement the USB charging parameters fully meaning it will charge only very slowly when charging over USB when running rockbox. So for now you can either charge from a 12v wall adapter, or boot to the apple firmware or disk mode and charge over usb.
00:27:14yipeahhhhhhhh
00:27:28yipethat makes a big difference
00:27:41stripwax_At least until someone figures out how to reverse engineer the usb charge current for the (undocumented) chipset
00:27:53yipeokay
00:28:14stripwax_out of interest, what are your "expectations" for rockbox? ;-)
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00:28:57yipeI realise rockbox isn't perfect, but I wanted to bypass the annoying apple DRM, I didn't want to use ID3 tags, I wanted to play .ogg and .flac
00:29:30yipeI can handle occasional freeze-ups, or crashes, that doesn't bother me
00:29:58yipebut when my battery dies at night, and I plug it in, and the next morning the battery is STILL so dead it can't even boot the ipod, that's a problem
00:30:04yipebut now I know about the USB thing
00:30:16stripwax_ok. cos battery life (in particular on ipod) is currently not very long under rockbox (at least compared to apple os)
00:30:29yipeI've noticed
00:30:37stripwax_(but this can only get better as more work is carried out)
00:30:46yipeand read about it in the FAQ
00:31:22yipeis the rockbox.ipod the only file I need to change to update to the newest daily build?
00:31:52stripwax_no.......
00:32:03stripwax_you download the .zip file, and you unzip it (all of it)
00:32:08yipeokay
00:32:19stripwax_the zip file contains probably a couple hundred files..
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00:32:30yipewill the themes and wps's I put on there stay, or will I have to reload them?
00:32:38stripwax_they'll stay, don't worry
00:33:11 Quit ender` (" Lisp hackers have to be bound (to-do 'it) ...")
00:33:25stripwax_the daily builds include rockbox.ipod (the main operating system) and the .rockbox folder which contains all the plugins (which must match the version of rockbox.ipod).
00:33:36yipeokay
00:33:43peturand the codecs of course
00:34:16stripwax_right. in my mind codecs are still plugins ;-)
00:34:30peturin a way yes ;)
00:36:02 Part Paul_the_Nerd
00:36:15stripwax_anyone else think the key bindings for minesweeper on ipod are basically awful? wheel for up/down, select+down to select, up to quit ... ??
00:37:06courtcWhat would you suggest?
00:38:35stripwax_left/right for left/right for starters. select to flag, long select to clear/mine, hold to quit
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00:39:25courtcSee, that sounds worse to me.
00:39:26stripwax_or maybe just select to clear/mine, long select to flag, but clear/mine old happens when you release the button.
00:39:34stripwax_Hm, why is that worse?
00:39:53courtcWhy not use the wheel?
00:40:02stripwax_wheel for up/down seems completely unnatural to me (but then I play Jewels a lot, and wheel is left/right)
00:40:25stripwax_when I said left/right for left/right I meant up/down for up/down of course .. left/right work fine currently
00:40:27courtcYea, wheel => left/right seems more appropriate.
00:41:22stripwax_which leaves up/down for up/down. and left and right are then unused? also left and right work fine in jewels as left and right ..
00:41:40courtcwheel for left/right with wrap seems easiest. also with some heuristics to make sure that you can only select active mine spots.
00:42:12courtcleft/right/down are for music playing ;)
00:42:19courtcmenu is quit.
00:42:50stripwax_Not while playing any games I know of .. select+menu is often quit but menu on its own is pretty uncommon.
00:43:08stripwax_especially for any games where up/down/left/right directional controls are natural!
00:43:24stripwax_maybe it's just me.
00:43:40courtcWell, I come from ipodlinux, and personally have never used rockbox.
00:43:53stripwax_Really? You should try it sometime!
00:44:19courtcNot very interested in the actual os, however the code interests me :)
00:44:27stripwax_:-)
00:44:56stripwax_I'd love to have spare time to get some secrets out of the apple os..
00:46:26courtcYes, it does take a lot of spare time.. and patience...
00:47:02stripwax_Ooh.. anyone happen to know if the fact that the ipod (5g) display looks kinda "interlacy" is just a feature of the ipod or if there is some hardware setting that we aren't using properly yet?
00:47:08stripwax_(i've not used retailos)
00:47:18stripwax_looking 'interlacy' in rockbox that is...
00:50:19stripwax_courtc - actually does ipodlinux look that way?
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00:50:56courtcIt's probably the fact that you aren't using the BCM.
00:51:22courtcIt's probably the same for ipodlinux, but I don't own an ipod video.
00:51:43courtcWe use the same lcd functions though.
00:53:23jhMikeSpetur: I think I'm going to do what you suggested and release changes using master mode for recording as before. The issues are proving thorny and can be worked out separately.
00:53:24stripwax_courtc - I don't really know - I sortof thought we were using the BCM but only in the sense that we're shipping the entire framebuffer to the BCM which is just driving the lcd. Maybe i'll try retailos and see how that happens to look.
00:57:17peturjhMikeS: I think it's the best way to go. Don't try to change too much in one go
00:57:38peturI'll try to test as much as I can
00:58:11jhMikeSpetur: LinusN called me "chicken" for it! :p
00:58:36peturhmmmm... he rarely does that ;)
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00:59:10jhMikeSIt's proving quite elusive...such a little bit of code too. No maybe I'm not really.
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01:00:09jhMikeSpetur: He did some work on it today and no definitive answers.
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01:01:22*jhMikeS will see reason and chicken out temporarily. :)
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01:13:28l0deHello sirs, I am looking to find out if any progress has been made on 5.5g 80gb ipods.
01:13:53scorchethen go check the thread ;)
01:14:45l0deWhich thread?
01:15:23scorchethe 5.5g thread in the forums
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01:16:24l0denow searching through the site to try and find that thread
01:17:03scorcheif you have read the posting guidelines and the stickies at the beginning of each thread. you wouldnt have to search
01:17:12yipewhen I plug in the ipod, what does this weird battery with a lightning bolt symbol mean? That it's charging the battery? That the battery is dead (it is)? What?
01:17:27scorchecharging
01:18:22l0descorche- my purpose for entering this channel was to rapidly communicate with another person and obtain information quickly, not to run some kind of forum-browsing gauntlet, totally defeating the usefulness of irc as a means of person-to-person chat.
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01:19:01scorchegauntlet?
01:19:16l0deFor instance on this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7027.0 you post that there is a thread with the information the user needs, but you do not link to it.
01:19:22scorchelike i said...if you had read the guidelines and stickies, it would take you 2 seconds to find the thread...
01:20:35scorchei didnt because it was obvious that they had not read the guidelines/stickies and they should learn to find out for themselves so they wouldnt have to rely on me every time they needed something
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01:21:29yipewhy won't my ipod stay connected for more than a couple seconds?
01:21:37yipeit's driving me up the wall and I might stab someone...
01:22:07*jhMikeS will shoot anyone that tries to stab him
01:22:09linuxstbyipe: Have you enabled disk mode in itunes?
01:22:10scorcheyipe: what is your problem?
01:22:34*petur wonders about the violence in the channel
01:22:47yipein disk mode, when I plug in my ipod, it mounts for..... 5, maybe 10 seconds, then disconnects, then re-connects.... then disconnects...
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01:22:53*scorche pushes petur to the ground and runs off
01:23:14*jhMikeS squeezes one off into the air
01:23:28*petur still sits on his chair and wonders what scorche is writing about
01:23:39*preglow starts busting caps
01:23:56yipeor, alternatively, it disconnects, and then goes to that battery with a lightning bolt mode
01:24:07l0deIs anyone besides scorche familiar with the 5.5g thread and able to give me a link to it? I'm having difficulty locating it.
01:24:12*petur wonders about the smell the channel *looks at jhMikeS*
01:24:20*scorche wonders what there is to wonder about what i am writing about
01:24:23midkayl0de: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6475.0
01:24:29yipethe thing has been plugged in all day, something is wrong, terribly, terribly, wrong
01:24:29midkayat least that should be it..
01:24:35l0deThank you midkay.
01:24:41*jhMikeS *ahhhh* nothin' like that smell
01:24:45l0deThat's the one.
01:24:50midkaylatest progress seems to be pretty much no progress.
01:24:52yipeI've only had this ipod for like a month
01:25:01linuxstbyipe: Have you enabled disk mode in itunes?
01:25:11yipeI use linux, there is no itunes
01:25:20jhMikeSok bunches of things compiled good :)
01:25:54linuxstbyipe: I've never had problems like that. Which ipod do you have?
01:25:55l0demidkay- yeah, scanning over it now.
01:26:00yipe5G
01:26:04yipevideo, 30gb
01:26:38l0demidkay- which one do you have, the 30 or the 80?
01:26:56linuxstbyipe: Is your battery charged? Maybe your USB port isn't supplying power?
01:27:02midkayi have a 5G 60gb.
01:27:09yipeno, it's not charged
01:27:22linuxstbThat would explain the disconnects I guess.
01:27:23yipethat's my main problem, WHY isn't it charging
01:27:54linuxstbAre you connecting directly to your PC, or via a hub?
01:28:00yipedirectly
01:28:24linuxstbYou could try a different port, maybe they don't all provide power.
01:28:25l0deIs it a laptop or a standard pc?
01:28:34yipedesktop, x86
01:28:39yiperunning Ubuntu Linux
01:28:42l0deHow old is it?
01:28:50yipeehh, 3 years?
01:28:52yipemaybe 4
01:29:14l0deHmm
01:29:16l0deThinking.
01:30:08l0deI'm assuming you don't have another machine to test on?
01:31:45linuxstbyipe: How have you been charging it in the past?
01:32:01yipethe only way available to me, with the USB cable
01:32:22l0deI hate that the new ipods just come with that cable.
01:32:36l0deHow much does the wall adaptor thing cost?
01:33:34yipeno clue, but I know I can't afford it, I'm a TA
01:35:02l0deHere's a tip on getting one for free, call around to hotels and ask if they have one in their lost and found
01:35:15l0deI used to work at a hotel and we had about three dozen that no one ever came and got.
01:35:17yipelol
01:35:18scorchethat is stealing
01:35:22l0deSame with phone chargers.
01:35:23yipeI should try that
01:35:31*yipe is a religion student
01:35:40yipeand I'm totally willing to try that :P
01:35:48l0deScorche- the items are never reclaimed. They are eventually hucked out.
01:35:59scorchethat doesnt matter
01:36:05scorcheit is claiming something that isnt yours to claim
01:36:07l0deBecause most people just buy a new one rather than going to the cost of having one shipped to them.
01:36:28yipehey, I'm a religion student, and I say it's okay
01:36:40l0deScorche, if we follow your logic, the item is never used, and eventually discarded. By my logic, someone uses the item, and is happier.
01:36:44l0deWhich one is morally right?
01:36:46yipetaking what would be thrown out has a long and noble tradition behind it
01:36:56*petur wonders what religion that could be :p
01:37:01yipejust ask the two-by-twos
01:37:03l0deJudaism :D
01:37:16scorchethe point is, you dont know if it will be thrown out or not
01:37:19yipeshalom l0de
01:37:24l0deshalom indeed friend
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01:37:34scorcheif they are going to throw it out for sure, i dont have an issue with it
01:37:54l0deif the hotel I worked at is any indicator, most hotels will have 5-10 of these things on hand at any given time
01:38:01l0deSame for most brands of phone chargers
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01:38:13l0dethat assumes the hotel doesn't throw them away immediately though.
01:38:21scorcheand it is a possibility that all of them will be claimed
01:39:18l0deIf an item is not claimed within 2 days, 95% of the time or more, it will not be reclaimed
01:39:32scorchebut there is stil a possiblility
01:39:33***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:39:50l0deWhich makes the likelyhood he is taking someone else's item very miniscule.
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01:39:59scorchei dont have an issue if you ask for one, but claiming it would be wrong ethically
01:40:16 Quit petur ("Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de")
01:40:28scorcheregardless, i am busy atm, and this isnt #ethics...do what you will ;)
01:41:29pagefaulthmm
01:41:36pagefaultmy SPC plugin is almost done
01:41:55pagefaultI don't think it will work on slower than 70mhz ARM players
01:42:11preglowspc????
01:42:13preglowsnes?
01:42:16pagefaultyes
01:42:17*preglow hugs pagefault
01:42:25preglowmmmmmmm
01:42:34pagefaultit is very resource intensive
01:42:42preglowno surprise there
01:42:51pagefaulti've done my best to optimise it
01:43:07preglowi'll help out :P
01:43:09pagefaultyou will probably have to turn off all EQ and effects
01:43:11preglowbtw, what core do you use?
01:43:16pagefaultjust to play without skipping
01:43:29preglowopenspc?
01:43:56pagefaultPP5020
01:44:03preglowi mean what lib
01:44:05pagefaultoh
01:44:07pagefaultlibopenspc
01:44:14pagefaultbut updated to the latest sources
01:44:21preglowwell, we'll get it running
01:44:21pagefaultso it is almost bit accurate
01:44:24pagefaultto the real thing
01:44:29preglowi've got a bunch of snes music i want to listen to
01:44:48pagefaultI could have use another lib but it would not sound as good
01:44:55pagefaultbut it would have been faster
01:44:58pagefaultI figured people wanted quality
01:45:03preglowindeed they do
01:45:29pagefaultsome music will skip
01:45:37pagefaultmainly FF6 music
01:45:43pagefaultthat I have tested so far
01:45:47pagefaultit should be fine on a faster ipod though
01:45:50pagefaultI only have an H10
01:45:55pagefaultand only one core is active
01:45:58godzirraFF6 music?
01:45:59preglowas long as ff6 music plays well, i'll be perfectly content
01:46:00godzirrawhy would that skip?
01:46:00preglowheh
01:46:09godzirra(Granted I've just came into this conversation and missed the rest of it :)
01:46:09preglowthat and chrono trigger
01:46:11pagefaultFF6 uses a lot of SPC crazyness
01:46:18godzirraAh. My FF6 music works fine.
01:46:20godzirrabut its ripped from a cd.
01:46:31pagefaultit just takes more cpu to make it play
01:46:37godzirrawhat is SPC?
01:46:38pagefaultit uses echo and gain effects
01:46:55pagefaultSPC is the CPU on the chip
01:46:58preglowpagefault: long until you'll post a patch?
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01:47:09pagefaultthe SNES has a SPC/DSP unit for sound
01:47:11godzirraahh
01:47:20pagefaultpreglow, maybe a week or so
01:47:24pagefaultI want to add tag support
01:47:36preglowcool, cool
01:47:46preglowconsider posting a preliminary patch for testing :>
01:47:49yipeI love video game music
01:47:51pagefaultI am not happy with what I have right now
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01:48:14pagefaultI really hacked it into the source
01:48:27yipenobuo uematsu and yoshinori mitsuda
01:48:30pagefaultit has to be cleaned up a lot
01:48:46preglowyipe: damn straight
01:48:58preglowyasunori, btw :>
01:49:03pagefaultI think I may steal some code from zsnes
01:49:11pagefaultwe have a sample caching code
01:49:22pagefaultso once a sample is decoded it is saved and cached
01:49:25pagefaultit speeds things up a lot
01:50:16pagefaultright now every sample has to be processed when it plays
01:50:26yipeI think my cable is broken or something :(
01:50:37yipemy ipod just won't stay connected
01:50:56pagefaultmy brother has 5th gen ipod
01:51:00pagefaultbut he won't let me touch it
01:51:06pagefaulthe is afraid I will ruin it
01:51:24yipewell.... mine worked perfectly until I installed rockbox on it....
01:51:34yipeand then everything went straight to hell
01:51:34preglowpagefault: sounds like caching might eat a lot of ram
01:51:47Mikachupreglow: but you don't need to buffer 30MB of mp3s when playing spc
01:51:54pagefaultI am told there is IRAM on the ARM chip
01:52:01pagefaultso I can put it there
01:52:18Mikachuiram is the smallest of all the memory available
01:52:26pagefaultit doesn't need much
01:52:27yipeand I really really really wanted rockbox
01:52:32yipebut it's just not working for me
01:52:35pagefault20k max
01:52:36preglowMikachu: i don't think you can use mp3 buffer ram
01:52:37linuxstbYou have 48KB of IRAM on the ipods (and other swcodec targets).
01:52:47preglowMikachu: that would mean preprocessing an entire spc at load time
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01:52:58Mikachupreglow: what if you made it a plugin instead?
01:53:00yipeunless everything can be blamed on this cable
01:53:07Mikachualthough i suppose that would be less useful
01:53:08preglowMikachu: why would we want to make a codec a plugin?
01:53:11pagefaultSPC's are 64kb but 32kb is only actual samples
01:53:16pagefaultthe rest is program code and rom
01:53:17Mikachupreglow: to use the mp3 buffer ram :)
01:53:37linuxstbyipe: Rockbox uses the USB mode in the Apple firmware, so it's very unlikely your problem is related to Rockbox.
01:53:54pagefaultit just has to be very fast memory wherever I put it
01:54:02preglowpagefault: sounds like iram would be nice sample storage space, then
01:54:21Mikachuaren't you already using the iram for the codec program code?
01:54:26Mikachuor was that just a part?
01:54:35Mikachunever mind me, i've been away for too long
01:54:36yipetomorrow I'm going to buy a new ipod USB cable....
01:54:41pagefaultno I am not using iram for program code
01:54:42preglowmy guess is using it for samples will be wiser
01:54:44Mikachuyipe: don't you have a friend with one?
01:54:45yipeI hope that solves my problems
01:54:48yipenope
01:54:57pagefaultso
01:55:01yipeat least none that live out here in Estelline
01:55:03pagefaultlike
01:55:13pagefaultit's a challange but I think I can do it
01:55:32pagefaultif I can get it running well on my poor H10
01:55:37pagefaultthen it should run fine on anything else
01:56:32linuxstbIf it's almost realtime without IRAM, then it should be fine once you start using it.
01:56:36yipeI wish I had bought another brand mp3 player :(
01:56:46preglowlinuxstb: even on ipod?
01:56:52pagefaultlinuxstb, it is almost realtime right now
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01:56:57pagefaultI am just looking for further optimization
01:56:58yipebut ipods are just so sexy, and they're expensive and everyone knows it....
01:57:14yipeit's like flashy jewelry but it plays music too
01:57:53pagefaulthmm
01:58:04pagefaultso my SPC plugin is almost done
01:58:10pagefaultI will post something next week hopefully
01:58:19pagefaultso I can get some feedback
01:59:09pagefaultthen I want to try to get the tuner working on my player
01:59:09pagefaultheh
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02:00:02linuxstbpreglow: Ah yes, maybe not that much on the ipod/h10, but a little.
02:02:45*yipe wants to listen to bbc radio 1's podcast and cannot :(
02:02:57yipecurse you ipod! CURSE YOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!
02:03:07Mikachuyipe.verbosity−−;
02:03:16pagefaultI wish rockbox could play audible
02:03:25pagefaulteven though that has legal implications
02:03:29yipewhat about my verbosity?
02:03:44Mikachui decremented it by 1
02:03:50linuxstbpagefault: Is any source available to play audible?
02:04:07pagefaultlinuxstb, not that I am aware of, but I think the format is documented
02:04:19*yipe /exec yipe -v
02:04:22preglowthen there's the drm
02:04:41pagefaultyeah
02:04:51pagefaultit sucks to not be able to listen to a book you legally purchased
02:04:56linuxstbSo does audible have a monopoly on audio books?
02:05:17Mikachuthat's some great incentive, if you steal it you can use it anywhere, if you buy it you can't
02:05:51pagefaultpretty much they do if you want them at an affordable price
02:05:58pagefaultcd's are expensive at amazon
02:06:06pagefaultand lots of things you can only find there
02:06:21Mikachuso can't you just recompress it?
02:06:38pagefaultthats the current method
02:06:44pagefaultyou use the directshow filter to transcode
02:06:53pagefaultbut you lose the chapter markers
02:07:29pagefaultor you burn to cdrw and rip it
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02:08:27linuxstbSo as usual, DRM just makes things inconvenient for legitimate purchasers, rather than preventing people copying it...
02:08:39pagefaultpretty much
02:08:56pagefaultI had to take back a cd and I bitched at the people at the store because it wouldn't play in my pc
02:09:18pagefaultit didn't say anywhere it can't be played in a pc
02:09:53pagefaultthey wouldn't give me a refund at first because they claimed I could have copied it
02:10:03pagefaultand I was like "if I can't even read it in m pc how do I copy it?"
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02:24:04DaemonicHi, just installed rockbox on my 30gb ipod video
02:24:12Daemonici cant figure out a few things...
02:24:16Daemonicanyone help?
02:24:28aliaskAsk away
02:24:49Daemonicokay i installed rockbox using an installer i found on ipodwizard forums
02:24:55Daemonicit also installed iplinux
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02:26:30aliaskDaemonic: So what's the question?
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02:30:56Daemonicsorry im at work and needed to help someone.
02:31:21Daemonicquestion is, i cant change rockbox theme, or find ipl on the hard drive while in disc mode to transfer stuff into my home dir
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02:33:06TrueJournalsHate to say this, but since you used an unofficial installer... you probably won't get any help here
02:33:18TrueJournalsUnless someone here happens to have used the same one as you...
02:33:21Daemonicwell its easier then doing it via all the bin files...
02:33:49TrueJournalslol... true... but you'll probably have to ask over at ipodwizard
02:33:54Soapthat's like saying driving to your mailbox at the end of the drive is easier than walking.
02:33:58Soapit's true, but missing the point.
02:34:48aliaskFor ipl problems, you'll have to ask them, but for the themes issue, what is actually happening?
02:34:51Soapthe instructions, esp. for windows, are step-by-step. All you need to do is cut and paste, replacing N with the number you found out in the first step.
02:34:53Daemonicok well no one else here used the unofficial installer?
02:35:11aliaskI don't think the themes issue has anything to do with the installer.
02:35:23Daemonicwell in windows my ipod kept messing up cuz of some sysinfo file...so i tried here at work with un official isntaller and it worked.
02:35:48TrueJournalsCan you link to the installer you used? I don't have an iPod, but maybe I could look at it a bit and help you out...
02:36:21linuxstbDaemonic: AFAIK, the ipodwizard installer just installs the ipodlinux bootloader, not ipodlinux itself. It's just used to give you a boot menu to choose between Rockbox and the Apple firmware.
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02:36:38aliaskOk, I don't need to know about the installer to help you with the themes problem. What happens when you select a new theme?
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02:38:43Daemonicit keeps using its little grey theme ...the default
02:39:02Daemonicalso the installed is the first link on google if u search rockbox installer
02:39:09Daemonicon ipodwizard forums
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02:40:10Daemonicand it did install ipod linux cuz i booted into it and ran demos and stuff
02:41:02aliaskTry just changing the WPS. Go into general settings -> display -> browse wps files
02:41:26Daemonicokay
02:42:28Daemonici clicked a new theme but after it "loads" it gores back to what it was
02:43:06TrueJournalsI have a quick question... if I change the splashscreen that shows up to be full screen (the screen that shows up after debug info when booting), do I need to rebuild just the actual firmware, or also the bootloader?
02:44:06aliaskTrueJournals: Just the firmware
02:44:19TrueJournalsok, thanks
02:44:21aliaskDaemonic: Just change the WPS, not the theme.
02:46:12Daemonici did
02:46:28aliaskAnd the WPS stays the same?
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02:47:53aliaskWhich WPS are you changing to?
02:48:58Daemonicwell there are 3...i think the one i changed to was like....began with a B
02:50:21aliaskOk, for simplicity, try changing to iCatcher
02:52:35Daemonici tried and that stays the samre
02:52:39aliaskIf that doesn't work, check that the files are all on the player. You should have both a file called iCatcher.wps, and a folder called iCatcher in /.rockbox/wps
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03:17:42godzirraI'm convinced that apple lawyers kidnapped Kalthare. He disappeared. :)
03:18:13JdGordonmaybe so...
03:18:19JdGordonmore likly aliens tho!
03:18:33godzirraI dunno... he -was- close to getting the 5.5's to work with rockbox ;)
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03:50:34DeefHello
03:52:16DeefI have a question about the iRiver h340
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03:52:37DeefThought some people here would have it
03:53:33godzirrajust ask
03:53:36DeefWell my question is, does the USBOTG only let you plug a camera in it and transfer?
03:53:52DeefOr does it actually work as a file manager to any USB stick?
03:53:54godzirrathats pretty much teh definition of USB OTG I thought.
03:54:00godzirrahmm, not sure of that.
03:54:21DeefTrying to decide between a h340 and an iPod
03:54:29godzirraj340
03:54:31godzirrano contest
03:54:33godzirra*h
03:54:39PaulJamrockbox doen't support usb on the go. for that you have to boot the iriver firmware
03:54:41godzirraI wish I could find a place to buy an h340 that isnt ebay.
03:54:54DeefYeah, I'm okay with that Pauljam
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03:55:07DeefYeah... I missed the last h340 a store had last Friday! >_<
03:55:12godzirraDamn, that sucks
03:55:17godzirraI didnt know -any- stores had them anymore
03:55:27DeefThat was about the 7th I tried
03:55:35PaulJamand you should check the misticriver forum to see if your camera/usb-stick is supported
03:55:41DeefI tried everything on the list for iRiver Australia
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03:56:09DeefI'm pretty sure the camera is, its Fujifilm, seen it listed I think
03:56:29DeefI more want to know if it can handle data on it, or just pull images out
03:58:03PaulJamyou can't directly play or view files from an external device. you need to copy them to the player first
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04:00:13PaulJambut the iriver firmware is a little restricted concerning copying via usbotg, for example you can't select multiple files to copy at once.
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04:03:46Deefouch
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04:04:37DeefIf there's 100 images on the camera, I don't have to tell it to copy each one do I?
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04:04:57PaulJamyou can copy directorys
04:05:05Deefah
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04:05:41PaulJambut it afaik it doesn't copy sudirectorys
04:06:06Deefhmm
04:06:34DeefWhat do you think, h340 or iPod 5G?
04:08:10PaulJami'm not sure, but propably i would choose the h340
04:08:27Deef*nods*
04:09:20DeefAlso been wondering about that camera to iPod device they've got
04:09:27aliaskIt depends on what you want. The H340 is a much better player, but it's plain fat.
04:09:39DeefYeah, looks aren't a concern
04:09:59aliaskMine wore a hole in my pants because the corner kept rubbing it.
04:10:07Deeflol
04:10:08Soapbetter in what way?
04:10:09aliaskSo it isn't purely aesthetic.
04:10:27aliaskLine in, line out, usbotg
04:10:35Deefrecords and has radio
04:10:39aliaskThe double headphone thing is seriously cool.
04:10:40Soapipod has line in and line out
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04:10:48aliaskNot readily accessible
04:10:55DeefDouble headphone thingy really exists?
04:11:00DeefYou can plug two sets in?
04:11:04aliaskYes
04:11:06Deefsweet
04:11:17aliaskOn the H340, one from Line Out, and the other in the regular headphones slot.
04:11:24Deefoh
04:11:30DeefThere's a regular slot as well
04:11:35DeefNever knew that lol
04:11:56aliaskAnd I also hate the scrollwheel.
04:12:10aliask(of iPods)
04:12:10DeefI like that thing
04:12:20DeefThe copying device for the iPod dumps the raw image on the iPod, no optimizing
04:12:36aliaskAnd that's the way it should do it.
04:12:38DeefSo I'm wondering how that makes it perform when viewing
04:12:40Deefyeah
04:13:04aliaskExif thumbnails could be read.
04:13:04DeefBut since the iPod is speedy because it mutilates your images, I wonder how it handles full sized stuff
04:14:02Soapwhy do you say that?
04:14:44DeefThe iPod views images without delay, but that's because iTunes transcodes for its small screen
04:14:47Deef.. from what I've read
04:15:11DeefYou put photos on it via iTunes, which actually puts a dumbed down copy, not the original data
04:15:32DeefAllowing it to view them fast like it does
04:15:36PaulJami don't think the ipod can show photos that weren't transferred via itunes (with apple fimware)
04:15:36aliaskIt could just encode a thumnail into the EXIF data
04:16:16DeefApparently the camera to iPod device lets you view them
04:16:32Deef(from Cnet or IGN)
04:17:08DeefIt said you need iTunes to take them OFF the iPod, at which point it copies new, dumbed down versions back to the iPod
04:17:32DeefSo I wonder how it copes viewing 2M images in the meantime
04:18:59DeefIf the h340's USBOTG isn't hugely more functional than the camera-to-pod device, I might swing towards the iPod
04:19:36DeefCan you have both firmware's on the iRiver at once? ie, can you select which you want to boot into?
04:19:46DeefOr does switching require a PC
04:20:05PaulJamrockbox is dualboot on h300
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04:20:16Deefcool
04:20:19PaulJam(on ipod too)
04:20:23DeefGoodo
04:21:24DeefIs there such thing as a 60G iPod 5G? Or only 30G?
04:23:21PaulJam5gen ipos exist as 30 and 60 GB and the 5.5gen ipods have 80 and 30 GB afaik (but 5.5 gen ipods currently don't work with rockbox)
04:24:20Deefyeah
04:24:25Deefok thanks
04:24:35DeefOnly 30G 5G on the site I think
04:24:47DeefBut a 60G would probably be easier to find than a h340
04:35:25didjdeef: just tried my h340 then, worked with mem stick, but didnt work with Sony DSC-P32 cam
04:35:38DeefHmm
04:35:44DeefThanks for checking that
04:36:20didji think it needs to support mass storage device thingo
04:36:26DeefDoes the Sony cam have a generic "I'm-a-USB-storage-device" mode?
04:36:34didjfrom memory i think i needed drivers to use on PC
04:36:44DeefOk
04:36:50didjplugged in a usb<->SD adapter card, that worked fine
04:37:17Deefas in, you read from SD via the adapter?
04:38:10Deefand one more question, does the h340 let you write to the USB device also, or just read?
04:38:49didjya, its got a pretty basic browser
04:38:54Deefah
04:38:54didjlike a two tabbed window
04:38:58didjyou can copy/paste between em
04:39:02DeefAh
04:39:21DeefSo it IS a basic file manager for USB storage devices
04:39:36didjya, pretty basic tho
04:39:50DeefGood enough heh
04:39:54didj"copy", "Paste", "del", "info"
04:39:58didjis the only options
04:40:12DeefI was just worried that it was more like "Take images from camera" and "Exit"
04:40:14didjinfo basically shows the name + "Write Date" (last modified i guess)
04:40:20didjahh
04:40:48DeefThe camera I use works as a USB storage device
04:41:09DeefI can put pics from windows on it as data and view them on the camera (which I think is nifty)
04:41:14didjid think it *should* work
04:41:30DeefI'm happy with that shaky confidence
04:42:00didjheh
04:42:13didjbut dunno what your chances of finding one would be
04:42:19DeefYeah >_<
04:42:33Deef[09:55] <Deef> Yeah... I missed the last h340 a store had last Friday! >_<
04:42:40didjah snap
04:43:15Deef... If you're not in Australia you wouldn't know the old Goggo mobile TV ad
04:43:21DeefBut it was like that
04:57:02didjhaha, Perth ;)
04:57:13Deeflol
04:57:20DeefCan I have your h340
04:57:30Deefplz!11
04:57:42didjhaha, dont think so, tis pretty leet ;)
04:57:56Deef=[
04:58:01DeefWhere did you get yours?
04:58:02didjonly thing is that like aliask said, its fat ;P
04:58:07didjmm, JB's @ ozzi park
04:58:12DeefHow long ago?
04:58:22didjmmm, ~10 weeks i guess
04:58:26Deefhmm
04:58:35DeefI don't think I rang that particular store
04:58:52didjthink theyve stopped stocking too
04:59:02Deefyeah, everywhere has
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04:59:40didjah well, can always hope for ebay
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05:00:22Deefyeah... but I want a new one
05:00:27DeefDidn't see any yesterday
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05:00:32didjah, good luck ;P
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05:01:50DeefYou get much use out of that battery pack thing?
05:01:59didjhaha, nah
05:02:08didjbattery lasts agggeess
05:02:09aliaskMakes it unusably fat imo
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05:02:12DeefI plan to be travelling, and have charger and bunch of chargeables for my camera
05:02:18didjyee, pretty chunky
05:02:27Deefah
05:02:36DeefWell that thing sounded cool to me
05:02:41aliaskBut it'd be useful when travelling, you could recharge from batteries
05:03:06DeefI'm like.. "I could go for days without food or showering and still have music and a file manager!"
05:03:11didjlool
05:03:34DeefI might have a Nano as well
05:03:47DeefSo I have seriously wondered if I could charge the Nano off the h340 heh
05:04:10Deef..I could run the whole show from a car's cigarette lighter
05:04:14didjeheh
05:04:17aliaskYou can, via the USBOTG I think.
05:04:21Deefyeah
05:04:27DeefThat's pretty funny
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05:04:45Deefcig lighter to batt charger, batteries to h340, h340 to nano
05:05:15DeefI want the Nano so I can use iLingo
05:05:30DeefBit of an expense but that software sounds a tad useful =|
05:05:46DeefKnow of any other options I could try?
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05:07:19didjlol @ lingo
05:07:20didjcool
05:10:55DeefHow much did you pay when you bought yours btw?
05:14:00didjarrg, think around 500 w/ extended warranty
05:14:12DeefNot bad
05:14:27DeefConsidering I haven't seen anything that low yet -_-
05:14:58didjheh
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05:25:25godzirra5.5g iLingo?
05:25:28godzirraerr
05:25:29godzirraiLingo?
05:25:36DeefYeah
05:25:50DeefThe software with all the languages to talk to people
05:26:01godzirraweird
05:26:03godzirrawhat was $500?
05:26:09DeefiRiver h340
05:26:14godzirrawow.
05:26:16godzirraUSD?
05:26:21DeefAU
05:26:26godzirraahh ok
05:29:25Deefdidj.. still around?
05:29:55didjya
05:30:38SmilinBobfuck
05:30:48DeefLooking at this picture, the h340 seems to be packed with an: AC adapter, USB cable, case, battery pack, earphones, a dock... and like 4 other cables
05:30:48godzirraI barely even know you...
05:30:52godzirraAt least buy me dinner first.
05:30:59Deefhttp://public.nplummer.fastmail.fm/iriver1.JPG
05:31:09DeefDid it really come with a dock?
05:31:12didjyee :)
05:31:13DeefAnd all that other junk?
05:31:17godzirraI miss my iriver :(
05:31:18Deefman
05:31:26didjthat bottom left thingy is inline remote
05:31:33DeefAh yeah
05:31:34didjtop ish cable is 3.5<->3.5 for line-in
05:31:36didj+ external mic
05:31:40Deefah
05:31:41Deefoh
05:31:45didjthe top left == usb host adapter thingo
05:31:50DeefThey supply a mic o_O
05:31:57didjand its got internal mic
05:31:57didj;p
05:32:06Deefusb host adapter thingo??
05:32:32didjlike, at the bottom for "usb host" its got a mini socket, that just allows you to plug normal usb shit into it (ie, usb mem sticks)
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05:38:54DanJCWhat's that grey USB thingo cable again?
05:38:59DanJCWhat's it actually do..
05:39:10DanJC*waits for Deef to time out*
05:39:16didjheh
05:39:26didjlike, on the bottom of the iriver, its got 2 mini usb connectors
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05:39:32didj1 for device (ie, plugging into pc)
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05:39:39didjthe other is for host (memory sticks etc)
05:39:49DanJCohh
05:39:54didjbut its mini, so its just an adapter, mini to normal socket
05:40:01DanJCright right
05:40:13DanJCForgot about mini usb
05:40:21DanJCok
05:40:36DanJCNow, what is the actual point of having a dock?
05:40:40DanJCWtf does a dock do
05:40:41didjn the dock just had mini usb + power socket at the back/bottom
05:40:52didj(you use the same cable + AC adapter)
05:41:17DanJCCan you not charge with the AC adapter without the dock?
05:41:21didjyea
05:41:27didjits just a convenience thing
05:41:31DanJCheh
05:41:50DanJC..
05:41:58DanJCWhat's the convenient bit...
05:42:12DanJCIf you can still just charge it and connect it without the dock
05:42:15didjyou can just throw it into the dock and it charges + connects to usb
05:42:24godzirrasome people leave the dock all plugged up
05:42:28didjyea, that ;P
05:42:29godzirraand just toss in their iriver when they get home
05:42:30DanJCohh
05:42:42DanJCRight, ok, fair enough I guess
05:42:59DanJCNo use for me travelling though
05:44:13didjya
05:44:19didjit *can* charge from usb
05:44:23didjbut its *much* quicker from AC
05:44:35DanJCConfused with your answer before...
05:44:47DanJCCan it charge via AC without the dock
05:44:48DanJC?
05:44:51godzirrayes
05:44:58DanJCok
05:45:11DanJCI'll be backpacking
05:45:31DanJCSo the dock will take up unnecessary space
05:45:37didjpretty much
05:45:50DanJCMan so much stuff they pack in
05:46:55didjyee, deluxed ;P
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06:29:21tidavhi everyone
06:29:34Deefhello
06:29:45tidavi'm new to linux, can anyone tell me how to "add path to the cross-compiler"?
06:30:11tidavi've just used /tools/rockboxdev.sh
06:30:24DeefI can't
06:30:37tidavbut when i try to compile, it says that it can't find "arm-elf-gcc"
06:30:39tidavmmmm
06:30:47didjtidav: if you know where it is you append to $PATH
06:31:25tidavcould you tell me what is the command line
06:31:31didjfor cygwin atleast, its /opt/m68k/bin n /opt/arm/bin
06:31:38tidavto append it to $PATH?
06:32:03didjif your using bash, "export PATH=/path/to/ccs:$PATH"
06:32:05didjshould do it
06:32:58*Quazgaa exposes his genitals to didj
06:33:31tidavi'll try to find where it is then
06:33:33didjbe trueful, am i your first?
06:33:46tidavthanks didj
06:34:29didjtidav: you could try 'find / -name arm-elf-gcc'
06:34:35didjassuming it is installed :p
06:36:14tidavi guess i've just found it :D
06:36:18tidav/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-gcc
06:36:21tidavhehe
06:37:03didjcool
06:37:09*Quazgaa exposes didj's genitals to tidav
06:37:13didjso just add '/usr/local/arm-elf/bin' to PATH
06:37:25*didj turkey slaps Quazgaa
06:37:41Quazgaawhoa dude, you go there, i dont
06:37:58Quazgaakeep your turkin slappin for your friend here
06:38:13didjhaha
06:39:10tidavoh, still got that error message! "arm-elf-gcc:Command not found"
06:39:18tidavbut i've typed both
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06:39:38tidavexport PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/:$PATH
06:39:40tidavand
06:39:47tidavexport PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-gcc:$PATH
06:39:54tidavdid i do something wrong?
06:40:00didjmm you dont need the 2nd one
06:40:12didjbut the first one should of worked, what does 'echo $PATH' give you
06:40:36tidav/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
06:40:47didjim guessing your not using bash
06:40:47didj;p
06:40:54tidavah!
06:41:04tidavooops...
06:41:45tidavactually i typed all these commands in "gnome terminal"
06:42:20didjas long as its all in the same (instance) terminal it should be fine
06:42:38didjdoes the 'setenv' command spew crap at you ?
06:43:02tidavbash: setenv: command not found
06:43:12tidavi get this when i try 'setenv'
06:43:14didjmm, not sure export PATH wouldnt work then
06:43:47Quazgaanoobs
06:44:01Quazgaaneither one of you could find your ass from your face if you had to
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06:44:20didjQuazgaa: feel free to help us out :p
06:44:26Quazgaaheh
06:45:04tidavdo you know how to fix it Quazgaa?
06:46:14Quazgaaso you set PATH and you say it doesnt take/
06:47:12tidavi typed didj command 'find / -name arm-elf-gcc'
06:47:25tidavit returns me '/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-gcc'
06:47:29tidavthen i typed
06:47:41tidavexport PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/:$PATH
06:47:46didjthis is all in the same window yea?
06:47:53tidavyes
06:48:04didjmm
06:48:23tidavi type one then immediately the second command
06:48:49didjn 'echo $PATH' doesnt show the arm-elf dir in it ?
06:49:39tidavoh i tried again
06:49:45tidavit's fine
06:49:47tidav:D
06:50:04didj*shrug*
06:50:04didjweird
06:50:15didji guess Quazgaa is still googling :p
06:50:18tidavyeah...
06:50:26tidavbut at least it works
06:50:27tidavhehe
06:50:50tidavthanks!
06:51:00sawo;]
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06:55:01tidavgtg
06:55:11tidavsee ya didj and Quazgaa
06:55:18tidavand thanks a lot for your help
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07:16:26SmilinBobis there a better way to transfer songs to my ipod?
07:16:35SmilinBobother than copy/paste
07:17:18SmilinBoband not using itunes...
07:18:00lexrsync :D
07:18:05lexif you're on linux
07:19:21SmilinBobwindowz
07:19:27SmilinBob=(
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07:20:35lexhmm :G
07:21:16midkaywhat is this elusive "windowz" i keep hearing about. it almost reminds me of windowS.. but i know that couldn't be the case - after all, we're all such great spellers in here! :DDDD
07:22:00lex:d
07:22:24SmilinBobheh
07:22:30SmilinBobi donno why i added the z
07:22:38SmilinBob:shrug:
07:23:34midkayoh, so it's just "window"? that's new to me. :E
07:23:43SmilinBob=P
07:23:50*SmilinBob shakes fist
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07:24:39midkaydon't you dare or i'll hacksor you!
07:24:53lexmidkay: yah! his ip is 127.0.0.1!
07:25:38midkayzomg i hack0r u.
07:26:48SmilinBobno...
07:27:02SmilinBobit's 192.168.1.4
07:27:04SmilinBob=P
07:27:22midkaygimmeh
07:27:27lex:p
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08:26:44SmilinBobso...
08:26:46SmilinBobwhat's up
08:26:47SmilinBob?
08:26:56Zagorthe sky, mostly
08:27:00SmilinBob=P
08:27:04DeefDo you have a h340 that you're looking to sell or give away?
08:27:12SmilinBobh340?
08:27:19Deefyeah
08:27:24DeefiRiver h340
08:27:29SmilinBoboh nope
08:27:34SmilinBobi have an ipod video
08:27:40Deefa pox
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08:47:38SmilinBobhmm
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08:57:51SmilinBobis there a way to connect my ipod to my computer without using itunes?
08:58:11DeefRockbox lets you do that doesn't it?
08:58:25SmilinBobcouldn't get it
08:58:28SmilinBobto work
08:58:42SmilinBobeverytime i plug in my ipod itunes popsup
08:59:00scorcheyou connect your ipod to your computer with a cable...not itunes ;)
08:59:19scorchethere should be an option in itunes that should take care of that
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09:04:19SmilinBobhmm
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09:04:37SmilinBobthere we go
09:08:03SmilinBobnow if only there was an easier way to transfer my songs
09:08:48scorchewhat could be easier than drag and drop?
09:09:33scorcheor any of the ways to sync
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09:17:39SmilinBobwell drag and drop is good
09:17:58SmilinBobbut i wish it was a little less manual
09:18:17Bagderthere's a million programs to chose from that can do it in other ways
09:18:27SmilinBobi can't find any
09:18:34Bagderwow
09:18:36SmilinBobwell none that work too well
09:18:41scorcheas i said..."or any of the ways to sync"
09:18:51SmilinBobthey all want to transfer to the ipod standard folders
09:18:51pondlifeMediaMonkey
09:19:00scorchersync
09:19:33scorchei believe windows even has one built in with briefcase (not sure...never used it)
09:19:41SmilinBobthat, and i can't figure out where winamp stores the ML playlists
09:19:49SmilinBobhmm...
09:19:59scorcheML?
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09:20:37SmilinBobmedia library
09:21:31scorchewell, there is an export playlist option
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09:27:36SmilinBobyeah
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09:39:13Bagderhttp://www.podscope.com/search.php?&s=d&q=linux&assetID=208771
09:39:19Bagder25:40
09:39:22Bagderabout Rockbox
09:39:39Bagder(podcast)
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09:42:53markunBagder: a very linux-centered site; you can choose between WMP and Quicktime to play the podcast :)
09:43:11BagderI downloaded the mp3 ;-)
09:43:15markunMe too
09:43:23Bagderthey claim it is available in vorbis
09:43:23markunWell, I'm streaming it
09:43:41Bagderprobably from there main site, which that URL isn't
09:43:45Bagdertheir
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09:44:46markunBagder: Ah, I missed the 'link' button to get to the file directly :)
09:45:32markunBagder: http://media.libsyn.com/media/dsyates/lottalinuxlinks_22.ogg
09:48:16daurnamarocK?
09:48:18daurnits amarok
09:48:25daurnisn't it?
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09:55:23JdGordonfark that guy has an annoying voice
09:55:47JdGordonrocksbox! wtf?
09:58:45JdGordontag cash!
09:58:56*JdGordon shoots Bagder for linking that :D
09:58:58*JdGordon gone
09:59:00Bagderhehe
09:59:16Bagderhe did mention Rockbox, I didn't say it was particularly good
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10:01:30Bagderhttp://home.jspenguin.org:81/rocken/
10:01:36Bagderlooks nice
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10:04:12_singerhow do i switch back to the apple interface from rockbox
10:04:21_singeri read the manual but i think i mightve missed it
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10:19:17pondlifeQuick question about the RB source structure...
10:19:54pondlifeTo fix a minor bug in the sim, I need access to iso_decode from the sim's io.c.
10:20:08pondlifeBut this currently needs a horrible include: #include "../include/rbunicode.h"
10:20:45pondlifeShould I be updating something else to include that include directory? Or should I not be attempting to do this at all?
10:22:24LinusNwell, i think dirty hacks are more or less allowed in the sims
10:22:53daurnthats racist
10:22:59daurni mean, dirty ;)
10:23:06pondlifeWould you mind if I commit that then?
10:23:38pondlifeBasically, the utf8 conversion is assumed to have happened in the io layer. It doesn't with the sim though.
10:26:08LinusNas long as it works in both win32 and linux
10:26:29pondlifeHmm, can you (or anyone) test a linux build for me?
10:26:59pondlifeIf not, I'll put an #ifdef in ;-p
10:27:19pondlifePatch is at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=12600
10:27:36pondlife(yes, I know it's on a bug report, but it won't be there for long)
10:28:11myzarwhat is this for?
10:28:12myzarunicode?
10:28:42pondlifereaddir (under Cygwin at least) doesn't encode non-ASCII chars as UTF-8
10:28:50myzaroh\
10:28:52myzarnah, cant help ya
10:28:57myzarbut if you fix the 5.5gs
10:29:04myzarill compensate you with a night of rough sex and booze
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10:29:49Nimdaepondlife: my laptop runs linux, but i know nothing about the sims
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10:30:45pondlifeOr does anyone have documentation stating whether linux readdir should return UTF-8 or not?
10:31:28Nimdaei would think it to at least have the capability
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10:33:48Bagderfunnily docs doesn't seem to mention that
10:33:53pondlifeNope.
10:34:10pondlifeGoogel can't be certain either - might it depend on kernel version?
10:34:26Bagderand very likely depending on file system I'd guess
10:34:49myzarbagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder bagder
10:34:52myzarmushroom mushroom
10:34:55myzarHAY BAGDER~
10:34:56Kick(#Rockbox myzar :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
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10:35:07Bagderstop that crap
10:35:13myzaryessir.
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10:35:28Ed___snake?
10:36:36Bagderno thanks, I already ate
10:36:41Ed___:)
10:37:06Nimdaelooks like readdir returns and encoding of some kind which must be processed, and depending on the filesystem and kernel (most likely the locale in general) may be unicode data, so it looks like it will work with utf-8
10:37:09Ed___oh my god
10:37:22Nimdaei could be wrong though, my C knowledge is minimal
10:37:27Ed___i'm at this friend of my mom's place, fixing their lousy computer
10:37:37Ed___running a backup - their mailbox alone is already 3.5 GB
10:37:43LinusNdamn, my proxy won't let me load http://home.jspenguin.org:81/rocken/ :-(
10:37:44daurnah, a snake
10:37:48daurnohhhhhhhh, its a snake
10:37:55Ed___full of stupid .wmv-mass-mails
10:38:01*pondlife parties like it's 2003
10:38:19Nimdaethat's nothing, i'm listening to styx ;)
10:39:00pondlifeThe joke would have been funnier if it had been muhsroom muhsroom etc.
10:39:29*petur likes the FAQ section of rocken
10:39:45peturQ: Why? A: Because I can.
10:40:14MikachuLinusN: http://rocken.mikachu.ath.cx/
10:40:16peturbut no license info
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10:45:27Nimdaewhat are the chances of getting some kind of JME or JRE VM into rockbox? >.>
10:46:49daurn0
10:46:57NimdaeD:
10:47:01daurn+1/inf
10:47:55markundaurn: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4030458859.html
10:48:57BagderNimdae: it'd take a whole lot of dedication
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10:50:12NimdaeJME is actually suppose to be opened, not sure how that will affect /k/
10:50:16Nimdaeor mika
10:50:19Nimdaeor whatever it's called
10:50:49Bagderwell, I think none of us core Rockboxers are java people so we don't know that stuff
10:50:50baobab68hi all
10:51:02pondlifeHmm, are the #ifndef _MSC_VER bits now obselete since we don't support the Win32 sim any more?
10:51:06markunhi baobab68
10:51:12Bagderpondlife: yes
10:51:16pondlifeGood!
10:51:36Nimdaei'm a java person, but lack the proper knowledge to do an implementation :(
10:52:28baobab68question re: the battery indicator on H300 series, if anyone has a second..?
10:52:40Nimdaei'll look into it though, it'd be fun to make java apps for rockbox
10:54:13*amiconn would rather like to stay away from java as far as possible
10:54:14baobab68i've been reading irc logs to see if this has been under discussion - currently the battery indicator seems to only get updated on each reboot, rather than being live?
10:54:21amiconnEven farther than MSVC++ or .net
10:54:35peturbaobab68: no it's live
10:54:57peturit just decreases very slowly ;)
10:55:00Nimdaeamiconn: why? java5 is rather nice ;)
10:55:37Bagderwell, we don't even have malloc
10:55:46Bagderimagine what java would require
10:56:13baobab68i'll admit i'm using a non-standard build (norbu's) but out of interest i ran a battery benchmark and the log file just kept recording 85% for six hours until the battery died...
10:56:23*petur wonders what's wrong with MSVC - starting with version 7 the compiler is actually quite good
10:58:46amiconnjava is slow, resource hungry, and it's oo
10:59:18Nimdaei find it to be quite fast, actually
10:59:37baobab68@ petur: so the CVS battery indicator is ok then? i might go back to CVS and save the headache
10:59:48BagderNimdae: I doubt you ever use it on this slow processors
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11:00:00Nimdaetrue
11:00:05amiconnSo far I've seen no graphical java app that comes even near the speed of a native app
11:00:11Nimdaei dunno how fast the processor is on my phone
11:00:15didjanother thing is the lax memory management, garbage collection isnt good on memory constrained devices ;p
11:00:18amiconnThat's on recent PC hardware
11:00:24Bagderphones are usually several hundred mhz ARMs
11:00:50amiconnMy mobile phone runs java midp 1.0
11:01:04amiconnStarting opera mini takes half a minute or so
11:01:14Bagderhaha
11:01:44Nimdaeamiconn: actually, i won't argue about the graphical processing since java implements it's own graphical system on top of the existing graphical system of the os, and java2 is extremely slow at that
11:02:07Nimdaebut eh, i just thought it was a decent idea ;)
11:02:48amiconnpetur: Nothing is wrong with MSVC, it's the '++' that makes me stay away
11:04:02Nimdaedoesn't look like it would be possible anyway because no one has jme or embedded java sources available
11:07:12markunNimdae: you can email the /k/ guys about it http://www.k-embedded-java.com/news.html
11:10:09Nimdaeeh, i don't think i could make very good use of it though
11:10:37Nimdaeanyway, after 4 am, sleep time
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11:59:43deeshCould anyone help me with some rockbox questions?
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12:00:51preglowjust ask
12:00:53Teknomancerdeesh ask and we can try
12:01:38preglowamiconn: i don't see why the fact that something is oo makes it bad
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12:01:49pregloweven c programmers use oo extensively for programming these days
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12:01:52preglowand with good reason
12:02:23deeshI have Loader2 installed, and when I select "Rockbox" from the list of Apple OS or Rockbox, it takes me to the Main Menu instead of File Browsing.. How do I get to the File Browsing menu from there? :O
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12:08:34Paul_the_Nerddeesh: Rockbox always boots into the filetree unless you've changed settings to have it resume music playback on boot. What do you see that makes you think it's the main menu?
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12:09:53deeshI have "Recent Bookmarks, General Settings, Manage Settings" etc, in a list
12:10:34nlsdeesh, are you using an official build of rockbox?
12:11:01deeshThe latest daily build
12:12:54Paul_the_NerdTry just tapping the Menu button, I suppose. Or left. But that really shouldn't be happening.
12:14:57deeshWhen I tap the Menu button, I get a Unknown Artist, Unknown Album, 1 - No File! screen.. it looks kind of like the apple Now Playing screen
12:15:31Paul_the_NerdYou're sure you're running a daily build downloaded from the rockbox.org daily builds page?
12:16:17deeshIt is the latest daily build, but it was installed with the rockbox installer from ipodwizard.net
12:16:42Paul_the_NerdI'm going to recommend clearing your settings during boot, and if this doesn't resolve the problem, trying Rockbox with the official bootloader and seeing if they stick around.
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12:18:20deeshWhat's the easiest way to uninstall Loader2?
12:18:52Paul_the_NerdThe easiest way is probably not what you want. That's just using the Apple/iTunes restore function.
12:19:32deeshWhich will wipe the HD, right?
12:19:36Paul_the_NerdYes
12:19:50deeshEw.
12:20:10Paul_the_NerdI would say "use ipodpatcher to write back bootpartition.bin" but since I have no idea what the install tool you used backs up or anything, I would recommend searching its instructions for how to have it safely remove it.
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12:23:00Paul_the_NerdBut as I said you should try clearing your settings first.
12:25:48deeshCould I use TagCache to show files loaded via iTunes to get a filetree menu? As of now, the only music on my iPod has been imported with iTunes.
12:28:01Paul_the_NerdFirstly, that wouldn't be a filetree at all.
12:28:15Paul_the_NerdSecondly, TagCache exists as a replacement view for the filetree view, so you still have to be able to get to it.
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12:29:44deeshCould I copy the rockbox default bootloader over Loader2, or would that cause conflict?
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12:30:00tonhi is anyone making a port for creative zen vision m
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12:31:55Paul_the_Nerddeesh: You need to uninstall loader2 first.
12:32:10Paul_the_Nerdton: Haven't you been in here asking that several times lately?
12:33:20Paul_the_Nerddeesh: Have you tried clearing your settings yet though? You can try that before you try the more difficult process...
12:33:35deeshHow do I go about clearing these settings?
12:34:27Paul_the_Nerddeesh: Make sure the hold switch is on while Rockbox is booting. So, select it from the list, and immediately after choosing it, turn on the hold switch until Rockbox boots and says "Cleared"
12:36:05deeshDone. Reboot?
12:36:17Paul_the_NerdIt said cleared?
12:36:22deeshYes
12:36:28Paul_the_NerdAnd it still booted into the menu?
12:37:06deeshIt booted into, " Calenders -Contacts - Notes - Photos - rockbox"
12:37:12Paul_the_NerdThat's the filetree.
12:37:21Paul_the_NerdCalenders, Contacts, etc, are all folders on a default iPod
12:37:33Paul_the_Nerdrockbox is the rockbox.ipod file you copied over.
12:37:45Paul_the_NerdThe .rockbox folder is hidden because you're not in "view all" mode by default.
12:38:02deeshAh :o
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12:38:49deeshSo now that I have the filetree, what's the easiest way to get iTunes-imported songs into the rockbox menu?
12:39:49Paul_the_NerdTagCache.
12:42:15deeshBut I could also create a Music folder in the same directory as Calenders, Contacts, etc, drag-and-drop folders and such into it.. and it would be displayed in the filetree as different folders.
12:42:34Paul_the_Nerd Yes.
12:42:39Paul_the_NerdBut you asked about iTunes-imported songs.
12:43:12tonpaul
12:43:20Paul_the_NerdiTunes hides the music on your iPod, and names the files strange things, so by far the easiest way to use those songs is by way of TagCache.
12:43:26toncan i pay u to put zvm rockbox
12:43:39Paul_the_Nerdton: No, you cannot.
12:43:45deeshCould I SharePod MP3's from my iPod to PC, then put them in that directory?
12:43:49Paul_the_Nerdton: Why not spend some time learning and do it yourself.
12:44:02tonwhere would i start
12:44:22Paul_the_Nerddeesh: Sure, but why do that? If you want them in filetree mode, don't use iTunes to sync, and just copy the music files over wherever you want.
12:44:26Bagderton: zen vision M?
12:44:39tonyeh
12:45:07Bagderthen you'd benefit from investigating archopen and the current neuros development
12:45:12Bagderfor dm320 stuff
12:45:24tonok...
12:46:21Bagderthere was also once someone who wanted to port rockbox to the mrobe player
12:46:25Bagderdm320 based too
12:46:43Bagderbut for some reason, there's still no one really determined to port to a dm320 device
12:47:27tonk
12:47:37deeshWell.. TagCache looks.. interesting.
12:47:51tonsi do u recon rockbox will be make this year?
12:48:11deeshIs everything I need to do this included in the rockbox install?
12:48:16Bagderton: uh?
12:48:21Bagder"no one" means 0 persons
12:48:25Bagder0 persons make little code
12:48:31Paul_the_Nerddeesh: Yes.
12:48:39Paul_the_Nerddeesh: I suggest reading the manual.
12:48:51deeshThat's what I'm going over.
12:49:05Paul_the_Nerddeesh: Ah, and it doesn't tell you that you need any other tools, does it? ;)
12:49:15tonwould you recon creative zen vision m rockbox be made this year?
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12:49:33Bagderton: I'm 100% sure it won't
12:49:34Paul_the_Nerdton: He said that nobody is working on it. If nobody is working on it, how can it be made?
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12:49:43deeshApparently not, but it also doesn't specify where the "TagCahce
12:49:46Bagderand this year is soon ending
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12:49:59deesher, "TagCache menu" is
12:50:18Paul_the_Nerddeesh: Try searching for "Tag Cache" instead of "TagCache".
12:50:43Paul_the_Nerddeesh: But I'm quite certain there's a full listing of the menus in there, which would reveal where it is. It may just be a layout issue.
12:52:04tonk thanks for ur help
12:52:05toncua
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12:52:20deeshYeah, the menu layout and such is a little difficult to get used to.. I guess I'm just going to have to jump in. Not really much I could break, I guess. :)
12:52:49Paul_the_Nerddeesh: Well, now that you know how to clear settings, it doesn't really matter if you do manage to come up with some clever way to screw up your settings, it's always clearable. :)
12:53:11deeshHehe, good to know. Thanks a lot for your help.
12:53:30Paul_the_NerdThat was really strange behaviour.
12:56:07deeshScore! Music via Rockbox.. Step 1 successful.
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12:56:44SmilinBobsup?
12:57:10deeshAlso, lack of an EQ of some sort was one of the reasons I wasn't sure whether to get an iPod or a similiar device. It's nice to know I have the option now.
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12:58:51SmilinBobanyone know if there is a way to add a shout cut on my desktop that will "safely remove" my ipod?
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13:01:20Paul_the_NerdThat sounds like something that's more windows related than Rockbox related. A lot of people here don't even run windows.
13:01:55SmilinBobyeah good point
13:02:09Paul_the_NerdBut, why not just use the safely remove hardware button in the taskbar?
13:02:24SmilinBobcause it always winds up getting hidden
13:02:35SmilinBoband more or less i am lazy
13:02:36SmilinBob^_^
13:02:43Paul_the_NerdAh, you have one of those overloaded taskbars with all kinds of crud?
13:02:45peturhahaha using XP are you? poor soul
13:02:53SmilinBobyeah
13:03:10peturW2K doesn't do that :)
13:03:23*Paul_the_Nerd is using XP: MCE 2003.
13:03:27SmilinBobi was gonna build a linux box
13:03:37SmilinBobbut the harddrive in this computer crashed
13:03:41*Paul_the_Nerd is still not wholly sure why a laptop would come preinstalled with MCE.
13:03:49SmilinBobso i had to use the one i was gonna put in the linuxbox
13:04:09SmilinBobthat is odd
13:04:18peturPaul_the_Nerd: because they have 16:9 displays?
13:04:20SmilinBobi've never used MCE
13:04:40SmilinBobjust doesn't appeal to me at all
13:05:02Genre9mp3There's an option to disable this hiding of the icons in the taskbar if you want
13:05:10deeshOkay, I give. Where is the Tag Cache menu? O.O
13:05:14*petur absorbs his weekly BOFH dosis
13:05:18Paul_the_Nerdpetur: Possibly. But as far as I'm aware, MCE doesn't actually offer anything special to the host computer, does it? It's more useful for making that computer a media-bitch to various networked devices?
13:05:29Paul_the_Nerddeesh: I honestly can't remember, not a feature I use. :(
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13:07:20deeshDoes it basically find all the protected/hidden/whatever files and make them visible in the filetree? I don't understand why Rockbox can't just see them already.
13:08:09Paul_the_Nerddeesh: Rockbox can see them, but iTunes gives them gibberish filenames.
13:08:30Paul_the_Nerddeesh: What it does is finds all the files on your system, and organizes them in a menu like the iPod software does, showing them sorted by Artist, Album, etc.
13:08:53Paul_the_NerdReading all their tags and creating a database of them takes a little time, so Rockbox doesn't do this by default
13:09:17deeshI see.
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13:09:50peturhleh!
13:09:52*Bagder leans back
13:09:55peturbleh! even
13:09:57deeshSo using Tag Cache would allow Rockbox to list all of the files I can see with my Apple OS menu's and stuff, right?
13:10:05Paul_the_NerdNot necessarily
13:10:09peturaaaahhhhh don't cut me o*&$%&#$%@&
13:10:09Paul_the_NerdRockbox cannot play protected files
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13:10:35deeshSuch as those downloaded from iTunes, leaving imported CD's and MP3's fair-game?
13:10:41SmilinBoboh, i also check on the site and couldn't find an answer...
13:10:50SmilinBobdoes rockbox play videos?
13:10:52deeshor does iTunes protect those when they're imported?
13:11:02Paul_the_Nerddeesh: No, imported ones should be unprotected still
13:11:11SmilinBobjust purchased ones
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13:11:14Paul_the_NerdSmilinBob: There is limited video playback functionality, no audio yet.
13:11:21SmilinBoboh ok
13:11:38SmilinBobno biggie, i never watch videos anyway
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13:21:20luckzI remember how my X5's shuffle always managed to *shuffle* to some video :D
13:21:45luckzso I was listening to music and suddenly got some advertisement/animation they put on there
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13:32:00Kitt0shm
13:32:03Kitt0srockbox.org dead?
13:32:06Genre9mp3I wonder why he calls it "roxbox"...
13:32:27Genre9mp3Kitt0s: [14:09] <Zagor> NOTICE: Big server upgrade now. apache will be down a few minutes, cgiirc clients will get disconnected.
13:32:38Kitt0snice :]
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13:58:02markunZagor: do you plan to add the side menu to the tracker page?
13:58:31ZagorI don't know. should we?
13:58:42markunI think so
13:59:06ZagorI'll try it and see. but first I have to fix the wiki.
13:59:12markunok
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14:02:12Genre9mp3markun: Why limit the space of the tracker?
14:02:46markunwhy limit it to the wiki and forum?
14:03:07Genre9mp3I wonder the same thing for the forum
14:03:17Genre9mp3I liked it better without the side menu
14:03:46markunI like it better with menu
14:03:47aliaskI think it's important to have it throughout the site.
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14:06:22Genre9mp3I like it more without the menu than you like it with the menu (run out of arguments) :P
14:06:31Genre9mp3:)
14:09:23markunGenre9mp3: would a horizontal menu on the top of the page be better?
14:09:52Genre9mp3hmm... I don't think so... as I imagine it, it would be ugly
14:11:32Genre9mp3except maybe if it was only for the tracker, but this would ruin the consistency of the site
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14:17:33*amiconn wonders why the side menu doesn't use frames
14:18:13preglowframes are bad!
14:18:25*Paul_the_Nerd gathers the torches and pitchforks.
14:18:36amiconnI prefer frames over having the same code load over and over
14:18:49aliaskThey are certainly more efficient than other methods.
14:18:56amiconnThey also have the advantage that the menu stays visible when scrolling down a long page
14:18:59aliaskBoth for coding time and loading.
14:19:09Zagoraliask: yes, very efficient at eliminating bookmarks, urls etc
14:19:17amiconnZagor: huh?
14:19:33Zagoramiconn: you can only link to the top frame
14:20:19*aliask forgot about that
14:21:10amiconnZagor: You can always link to a sub-page, with some support on either side
14:21:36Bagderyou can have the menu "follow" along without frames
14:22:17amiconnBagder: Yes, but then the menu code is included with every page -> longer loading time
14:22:34Bagderyes, but working web pages
14:22:41Bagderframes are broken by design
14:22:41amiconnAnd without special css measures, the menu becomes inaccessible when scrolling down
14:23:17*amiconn disagress
14:23:47Bagderwell, luckily most people agree with me these days ;-)
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14:23:52Bagderon that point
14:23:59preglowoh yes
14:24:17*linuxstb is firmly anti-frames as well.
14:25:03Zagoramiconn: the menu is 2700 bytes, and is the gzipped before transfer. exactly how many milliseconds do you think you gain by not transfering it?
14:25:52Zagoractually it's 2472 bytes
14:26:12amiconnIt's only gzipped if the client supports it. Then there are still modem & isdn users
14:26:31Zagoramiconn: name a popular browser that doesn't support compression?
14:27:46LinusNhttp://www.karlcore.com/articles/article.php?id=2
14:27:46amiconnAnd the other point still holds (menu vanishing when scrolling down
14:28:14Paul_the_NerdWe could always just make the menu a floater.
14:28:17Zagoramiconn: you are living in 1995 :-)
14:28:23amiconnNo I don't
14:28:41Galoisdefinitely, floater menus are the way to go
14:29:09LinusNand frames were bad even in 1995
14:30:02Zagorbtw, I was surprised to set that even though over 80% of rockbox.org visitors use windows, Mozilla is the most popular browser.
14:30:54aliaskI would be supprised if Mozilla wasn't the most popular browser.
14:30:55Zagors/set/see
14:31:18*amiconn still doesn't agree that frames are inherently bad
14:31:52amiconnFrames have their pitfalls, sure, but all of them can be solved with a little thinking
14:31:58Bagderno
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14:32:11Bagderthey mess up printing
14:32:15Bagderthey mess up bookmarking
14:32:16Zagoramiconn: well, you also think the PLAY button should not start playing the song you're pointing at. let's just agree to disagree.
14:32:57Slasherii check rockbox sites often using a text mode browser, like links or lynx
14:33:10Slasheriand i think frames are always a very bad solution
14:33:32linuxstbamiconn: Can you give an example of a frames-based site that solves all the problems?
14:33:58pondlifeI use a PC with no mouse or touch screen occasionally; frames can make navigation harder there too.
14:34:20pondlife(not that most sites are much good in that mode)
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14:36:04Slasherimenu can be made not vanishing using proper CSS codes
14:36:13Slasheribut i think it's better to let it just vanish
14:37:03Paul_the_NerdIt'd be easier to make the menu not vanish if browsers actually consistently supported CSS2, but that's another argument
14:37:45aliaskDoes IE7 have CCS2 support?
14:37:56ZagorI don't think there's much value in having the menu obnoxiously following the scrolling page. you know where the menu is, it doesn't have to be "in your face" all the time.
14:38:06Slasherii don't like about the idea menu taking extra space on the site (always visible)
14:38:28amiconnSlasheri: The menu space is taken anyway (the left column)
14:38:44Slasheriamiconn: yep, but the menu can be floating on the left also
14:38:49amiconnI simply hate it to have to scroll up again before I can access the menu
14:38:50Slasheriso text could go below it
14:38:58preglowthe home key is nice
14:39:09Slasherii just have to press one key (home) go get to the menu again
14:39:12*Paul_the_Nerd doesn't use the menu because he prefers to type URLs.
14:39:29Slasherii never use mouse unless it's the only way to go
14:40:00amiconnHome key is still slower than not having to scroll, e.g. when working via rdp / nx
14:40:19amiconn(and switching from mouse to keyboad also takes time)
14:41:39preglowi only use the keyboard unless i have to anyway
14:41:41preglowmice are badness
14:42:15amiconnhuh?
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14:42:25aliaski like to rely on one or the other - i hate switching between the two.
14:42:27amiconnWho's living in 1995 (or earlier)? ;)
14:42:36Slasherisame here.. and when coding / ircing / doing some work, mouse is totally unnecessary
14:42:48Slasherii barely ever touch it unless browsing web
14:43:10*amiconn likes working with a mouse for 15+ years
14:43:36nano-Hi, we of the xmms2 project are about to arrange a logo contest, and thinking about having a DAP as price. I'm just wondering what DAP to go with. It would be very nice to have one that works perfectly with RockBox.
14:43:45preglowi just tend to avoid it to avoid messing up my arms
14:43:47nano-We've been thinking about a sansa.
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14:44:09dan_anano-: Sansa is a long way off working with RB yet
14:44:10markunnano-: well, the sansa doesn't work perfectly with rockbox
14:44:37preglowamiconn: i use a mouse with no troubles, but i try to avoid it if necessary. using the keyboard is always more efficient
14:44:48nano-dan_a, markun: So what DAP is the shit then?
14:45:25nano-Also, our competition is not due for another 1-2 months. Might this change anything?
14:45:30aliasknano-: I would probably suggest the iAudio X5, but that may be a bit more expensive than you're looking for.
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14:46:13dan_aI think the older iRivers (H1X0, H3X0) are well regarded, but are not so easily available any more
14:46:58dan_aI'd be surprised if the Sansa works this year
14:46:59nano-Is the Sansa in active development? I read something that sandisk set you hardware?
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14:47:16TeaSeaYeah iRiver really did a stupid move making the H10 the flagship model.
14:47:39linuxstbIs the H10 still manufactured?
14:47:47TeaSeaFuck knows.
14:47:47nano-dan_a: ah ok :(
14:47:51TeaSeaI'm talking about the 20G model btw.
14:47:53TeaSeaIt's awful :D
14:48:06Paul_the_Nerdnano-: Sandisk has sent us hardware, but unfortunately most of the hurdles lie in the area of "Chips they bought but are unable to tell us useful information about" ;)
14:48:09amiconnnano-: If you want a dap that's still in production and fairly well supported by rockbox, I'd say go for the Iaudio X5
14:48:12dan_aWe're working on the Sansa, but the LCD has only been working a week
14:48:54Paul_the_Nerdnano-: Honestly, most people feel that the iRiver H100 or H300 series are some of the best Rockbox players if you want software codec support. The iAudio X5 is a newer one with very similar capabilities (thought I don't think we're beating stock battery life yet).
14:48:58nano-amiconn: yeah.. x5's are really nice, but a bit more expensive.
14:49:10linuxstbnano-: The only options for easily available DAPs are the ipods, and the iriver H10, but their support isn't as good as the X5.
14:49:19Paul_the_Nerdnano-: And of course the Archoses are wonderful if you don't mind that they only play MP3s, and are a bit clunky.
14:49:34amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: No, we don't, but I already know one cause an am planning to fix it
14:49:41amiconn(the pcf i2c driver)
14:49:45Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: Good to hear. :)
14:50:19Paul_the_Nerdnano-: Anything outside the ones I've listed pretty much falls in the "In development, and with some noticeable constraints on real-world use" category (mostly battery life for the iPods and H10 series, really)
14:50:30Paul_the_NerdUnless I forgot something
14:51:05aliaskDRM support ;)
14:51:08Paul_the_NerdIt's finally getting cool here! It was 8C outside about an hour ago.
14:51:09nano-Thank you very much for the information. We'll have to think about it. Would give a warm fuzzy feeling to put "Works with Rockbox" next to the price ;)
14:51:09amiconnHmm, and we don't support usbotg on any model with usbotg hardware yet
14:51:45Paul_the_Nerdnano-: Honestly, overall I personally would suggest the H100 series if you can find one on sale somewhere, but that could be because it was my first Rockbox'ed DAP. ;)
14:52:52amiconnImho all the rockbox supported daps have their pros and cons, there's no one beat-all-others model
14:52:56Slasherii would suggest H100 also. It should be the most stable and best working of software codec targets
14:53:26aliaskAnd the least affected by the ugly parts of the UI.
14:53:38nano-I was pretty satisfied with rockbox on my iPod G4 before the hdd gave up :/
14:53:51Slasheriand with fastest boot time also if you put rockbox flash ;)
14:54:36nano-Btw.. what's the status of glib on uclinux?
14:55:20Slasheriwe don't use linux kernel
14:55:43Bagdernor glib ;-)
14:55:50nano-Aha.. was thinking about getting xmms2 to run on rockbox, but that's pretty much ruled out then.
14:56:07Ed___so what's the buzz with xmms2 anyway?
14:56:32Bagdernano-: I doubt xmms2 is designed to work good on devices like these
14:56:32nano-http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page
14:56:39nano-Bagder: Yeah.. that too.
14:56:45*linuxstb asks the old "is it gapless?" question.
14:56:50nano-linuxstb: yes
14:57:02Ed___won't xmms2 be too fat to run on those type of devices?
14:57:04linuxstbThen I'm happy...
14:57:15nano-Ed___: Probably, don't know as I haven't tried it.
14:58:00BagderRockbox is handicrafted to be xmms on DAP, xmms is not ;-)
14:58:11Ed___well, i shouldn't bitch at xmms2, as i'm a developer of a music application myself :D
14:58:17nano-xmms != xmms2, but it's not handcrafted for dap no.
14:59:18Bagderfor example, rockbox is fixed-point only
14:59:25markunnano-: maybe you can port it to ipodlinux
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15:00:04Bagder"It imports 1200 songs in 6 minutes on a P3 1.5GHz system."
15:00:18linuxstbAnd Rockbox is optimised for low memory usage and minimal disk spin-ups.
15:00:32amiconnlinuxstb: I have a few questions and suggestions regarding (1) the bitmap build system, (2) libmad
15:00:35Paul_the_NerdBagder: I think our TagCache can beat that. :-P
15:00:35nano-markun: yeah.. that's what I wanted to before I realised that glib didn't compile on ulibc (except for a really old version) and I didn't put any time investigating the problem. rockbox is nicer ;)
15:00:47BagderPaul_the_Nerd: I would certainly hope so...
15:00:58linuxstbamiconn: Ask away, but I'm not sure I'll be able to help with libmad.
15:01:12linuxstb(it's been a long time since I did anything with it).
15:02:26Bagderthe fun part is that the xmms2 page says 1200 songs in 6 minutes is "*very* fast"
15:02:48BagderSlasheri should like that ;-)
15:02:58Zagorwell what does "import" mean?
15:03:31BagderI assume that means populating the db with meta data from the songs
15:03:37linuxstbIt must mean physically copying the files to be that slow?
15:03:40nano-fetching all metadata from the files (including coverart) and loading the text to the medialib (sqlite) and storing the coverart to disk.
15:03:40Zagorbut yes, sounds a bit strange spending on average 3.3 seconds per song
15:04:07Bagderbut yeah, tagcache doesn't store cover art
15:04:50nano-but the "benchmark" is pretty inconclusive as the "songs" doesn't say format and doesn't say how much metadat in each file.
15:05:01BagderPaul_the_Nerd: check the history for 5521 for the reason for the re-open
15:05:10nano-So imho pretty silly to have on the front page without real information ;)
15:05:18Bagdernano-: indeed ;-)
15:05:38linuxstbnano-: Does it require setting up a database, or can I just do "xmms2 *.flac" in a directory?
15:06:09*amiconn thinks tagcache beats the 1200 songs in 6 minutes even on archos
15:06:45nano-linuxstb: Maybe this is a bit OT here. xmms2 add is the command though. (for adding to playlist, and xmms2 addpath to recursively add a path to the medialib, files added to playlist will be added to mlib)
15:07:33Paul_the_NerdBagder: It says it may be reopened, I've assumed that the problem has returned, but nobody's said anything to that end?
15:08:04BagderPaul_the_Nerd: the history includes "This bug is back with a vengeance. I can't even switch to ID3database view without a crash. I"
15:08:17Bagderthat is, the history tab
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15:08:24nano-linuxstb: for more info ask on #xmms2 here at freenode.
15:08:25linuxstbnano-: You're right, it's off-topic, but I think there a lot of Linux users here who want a media player on the desktop that has all the features of Rockbox. But I'll just try it and stop asking you :)
15:08:37amiconnlinuxstb: I was trying to fix the multiple calls into the bitmap directory makefile problem. Do you know why the apps/plugins/Makefile specifies both the makefile in apps/plugins/bitmaps (with in turn calls the 4 sub-directory makefile) _and_ the 4 individual makefiles in apps/plugins/bitmaps/<sub-dir> ?
15:08:37preglowgood luck
15:08:41preglowmedia players on linux suck
15:08:46Paul_the_NerdBagder: Ah, yeah, I forgot about the History tab again. I'm not so great with flyspray. :)
15:09:16Zagorpreglow: nah, mpg321 is all you need :)
15:09:23BagderPaul_the_Nerd: I just didn't felt like entering the same info since it _is_ there, just not that easily accessible
15:09:57amiconnlinuxstb: Another problem is that if you replace some gfx for a plugin with new ones of different resoltion, and don't 'make clean' (or at least delete the appropriate libpluginbitmaps*.a and object files, the gfx are all messed up
15:10:31Paul_the_NerdBagder: Well, sorted now. Hopefully next time I'll remember to check the history first.
15:10:43amiconnI have an idea how this could be solved. The generated .c file must have the jabber after the first dot stripped the same way as the .h file
15:11:29linuxstbamiconn: That doesn't sound right. IMO, the main Makefile should just call the four sub-directory Makefiles. cvs annotate tells me that Bagder added those lines...
15:11:58nano-Anyway, thanks for the info about DAP's. Bye.
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15:12:09amiconnOh? I thought it should be the other way round, i.e. the Makefile should only call the one in bitmaps
15:12:55amiconnlinuxstb: Regarding libmad I have 2 simple questions, as you imported it to rockbox. First, libmad is made by Underbit technologies, but README.rockbox says Unibit technologies? I guess that's just a typo...
15:13:19amiconnSecond, do you know if there's an official cvs or svn for libmad?
15:13:29linuxstbI would prefer to have all the dependencies in the main Makefile, rather than recursively calling other Makefiles.
15:13:58linuxstbamiconn: Yes, that would just be a typo in README.rockbox.
15:15:31linuxstbI don't know about CVS/SVN. There's a "mad" project but it doesn't look like it uses the Sourceforge CVS/SVN.
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15:16:19amiconnI was looking to find a fix for the 64 bit issues...
15:19:15linuxstbBut you're probably right about the .c files needing the names stripping. I'll try and look at that, unless you are.
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16:03:00preglownopes
16:03:26preglowi'm just trying to install with a hanging linux installer here, which gave me more than enough time to inspect the file system
16:04:15markunToshiba left busybox with many nice tools on the gigabeat for us to play with :)
16:04:50Arathisis there any internetbrowser installed in the debian-rockbox vmware image?
16:06:54godzirraAny word on the 5.5g ipod?
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16:16:59PaulJamSmakk question: is it normal, that a custom keyboard layout (.kbd file) doesn't survive a reboot? Or does it have to be saved in a special place?
16:19:34PaulJamsorry. found the answer in the wiki.
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16:26:11lowlightpondlife: looking at the output in stderr.txt I see a problem.
16:28:51pondlife?
16:29:49pondlifeWhat do you see?
16:30:23lowlightlet me put it on pastebin
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16:31:33lowlightpondlife: http://pastebin.ca/211817
16:32:04lowlightI was wondering why the metadata was being read twice so I put in some debugs.
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16:32:58lowlightI don't understand why each track goes through audio_load_track twice and the metadata is read twice.
16:33:15pondlifeI don't think I've seen that here...
16:33:21pondlifeIs this on the sim or target?
16:33:46lowlightAlso, when playing the second directory you see that the codec is opened everytime even though its the same
16:34:23pondlifeI've seen that happen on the sim before.
16:34:48pondlifeBut assumed that was down to Windows and the DLL stuff, which is a bit hacky.
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16:35:51lowlightyes, this is from the sim (cygwin)
16:36:25pondlifeI see a bug I think
16:36:40pondlifeAh, no.
16:37:25pondlifeThought there was a way to get to peek_again (yuck) with current_fd set to a valid open file... but no.
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16:38:41lowlightwhy is there a call to audio_invalidate_tracks?
16:38:57lowlightthat's when the metadata is re-read.
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16:39:23lowlighterr...after that the tracks are re-loaded
16:39:27pondlifeNo idea. I'm not familiar with the buffering code detail... yet,.
16:39:50pondlifelostlogic: around?
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16:42:07Paul_the_NerdWhy do we have battery benchmarks dated 2005 in our iPodRuntime page?
16:42:21pondlifelowlight: I'll see if I get a chance to look at it later, but expect I'll be Monday before I get time.
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16:43:58Genre9mp3Paul_the_Nerd: Probably a typo?
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16:46:00Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: I would assume so. The months are a little suspect as well, depending on who did those tests.
16:46:46Genre9mp3Paul_the_Nerd: Well, on thing is for sure.. Rockbox didn't run on iPods back then...
16:46:50Genre9mp3one thing
16:47:38Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: Yeah, well I also know when the first iPod benchmarks happened, because I ran the first one on Nano, hand timed. ;)
16:47:58Genre9mp3hand timed? :)
16:48:00Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: Okay, it's just the year that's off, the rest of the dates line up with the page updates just fine.
16:48:18Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: The battery bench plugin didn't work on Nano. I listened to music for just under 8 hours, having noted the start time on a sheet of paper
16:49:08Genre9mp3Paul_the_Nerd: I guess then that battery bench is not a necessary thing to have... :) </teasing> ;)
16:51:08Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: The battery bench is a plugin, and thus does not affect core binary size at all. :-P
16:51:31Genre9mp3haha
16:52:18Arathishow can I access the vmware image via samba from linux?
16:52:42Arathisin the wiki only the path from windows is discreibed: "Share name: \\debian\user"
16:53:03Paul_the_NerdArathis: It's generally assumed that if you're on linux you'll just compile in your own linux rather than running a virtual machine.
16:53:41ArathisPaul_the_Nerd: I know, but it doesn't work for me. I have problems compiling the arm-elf-gcc
16:54:47Paul_the_NerdArathis: Anyway, this is a more general linux question, so you may have more luck searching the 'net for how to use Linux to access samba shares.
16:55:05Arathisprobalby
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17:02:37MikachuArathis: just use mount smb://blah/user mountdir/ i think
17:03:19MikachuArathis: actually i think it's -t smbfs //blah/user
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17:05:09Paul_the_NerdWhere blah is Debian?
17:05:22Mikachuheh, yes
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17:08:04eight3446can anyone help me installing the firmware on a 3G ipod?
17:08:06Arathismount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on smb://debian/user/,
17:08:16Mikachuthe second one then
17:08:37dan_aeight3446: What's the problem?
17:08:54eight3446ahh, just stuck on this step, not sure what it means "Merge the Rockbox boot loader you downloaded previously with the Apple firmware."
17:09:11Paul_the_NerdDoesn't it proceed to tell you how to do that?
17:09:34Paul_the_NerdUsing the ipod_fw tool.
17:09:44eight3446it proceeds in telling you how to install the rockbox-enabled firmware.
17:10:07ArathisMikachu: that was for the second. for the first it says: mount: can't get address for smb
17:10:09Paul_the_NerdSo, there are no steps telling you to issue various commands that start with ipod_fw or ./ipod_fw ?
17:10:35eight3446the previous one, yes, but that is just to extract the apple firmware
17:10:40MikachuArathis: well, that's all i know
17:10:56Paul_the_Nerdeight3446: What instructions are you reading?
17:11:04eight3446http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod3g/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
17:11:31ArathisMikachu: oh, I searched the local net with nautilus going to "network" and debian is listet. lets see if I can get in
17:11:38Arathisit's quite lame..
17:11:49dan_aeight3446: Try using these: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#c_1_all_users_except_i_PodLinux
17:11:49Arathis:D it works
17:11:55Mikachui have had little luck with gnome-vfs' smb compatibility
17:11:58Arathisthanks anyway
17:11:59Paul_the_Nerdeight3446: ipod_fw -g 3g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-3g.bin
17:12:27eight3446i am on step 5.
17:12:44*Paul_the_Nerd just told you the line that is missing.
17:12:55eight3446gotcha.
17:13:07eight3446i thought you had found it in that manual and i had just missed it.
17:13:08eight3446thanks.
17:13:21Paul_the_NerdIt's in other manuals for other iPods.
17:13:26Paul_the_NerdI'm curious why it's missing from the 3G one.
17:13:40eight3446kind of an important step.
17:14:16dan_aIIRC, the 3g bootloader image wasn't available for a long time after the other iPods
17:14:18Paul_the_NerdWell, 3G Rockbox is still somewhat unreliable for playback, so it's possible that not much focus has been given to the manual yet.
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17:14:44eight3446unreliable how?
17:14:54dan_aIt skips
17:15:11eight3446yikes. it happens often?
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17:15:46dan_aNot very often if you are in the menu. Several times per track if you are in the While Playing Screen
17:16:00Paul_the_Nerddan_a: Even a static WPS? No scrolling or peakmeters?
17:16:06eight3446alright, i am gonna go ahead and not install rockbox, hah.
17:16:15Mikachui think the wps still redraws every second or so
17:16:22dan_aPaul_the_Nerd: Even in a static WPS
17:16:29Paul_the_NerdOuch
17:17:02dan_aI made one which *just* told me the track name, and that didn't help
17:17:14eight3446thanks anyway guys, appreciate it.
17:17:27dan_aYou're welcome!
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17:21:36Arathissooo. how can I edit tagcache.c that way, that it gices me the names (and locations) of the files that produce errors via logf?
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17:24:09amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: The battery_bench not working on nano is because of the disk standby hack. The flash in the nano doesn't like the standby command, so the standby logic in ata.c is disabled for nano.
17:24:23amiconnHence the battery_bench plugin can't trigger on spinup
17:24:57amiconnThe solution would be to fake the standby logic instead of disabling it completely
17:25:07Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: I remembered it was something like that, I couldn't remember whether it was ever fixed or not.
17:28:07preglowamiconn: it might be something else than the standby command itself
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17:28:35preglowi tried to fix it a couple of months ago but failed again
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17:34:41Arathisor is "logf" discribed anywhere?
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18:28:34pondlifelowlight: I have (locally) added an interface to allow the existing file handle to be used to read mp3 metadata - curing the double-open.
18:29:02pondlifeDoes anyone feel this is worth committing, given that one day we'll have metadata-on-buffer?
18:30:13pondlifeI also had a thought.. could the white noise be caused by the file seek pointer being moved for some reason during buffering?
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18:35:31torporcan i run rockbox on an ipod video (5g) with 80gb disk?
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18:35:50lowlightpondlife: my issue wasn't that the file was being re-opened, but that for some reason the metadata was being re-read.
18:36:27pondlifeTwo calls to get_metadata?
18:36:35lowlightlooked like the metadata was read during the initial buffering, and it was all being re-read again later.
18:36:53pondlifeI didn't get that here
18:36:59pregloware open calls expensive?
18:37:16pondlifeMore expensive than nothing
18:37:38preglowyeah, but i think they might actually be somewhat expensive
18:37:50Mikachutorpor: not yet
18:38:27pondlifeWell as long as the file pointer (i.e seek position) is ok - and it seems to be here - then it's easily fixed.
18:38:39pondlifeI was wondering how expensive an lseek was
18:38:41lowlightpondlife: http://pastebin.ca/211817 you'll see all the metadata is read, then starting at line 129 it starts re-reading the metadata
18:39:20lowlightI had added some debug statements to see which function is requesting the metadata
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18:39:37torporMikachu: any idea whats involved? should i wait a week or a month?
18:39:52Mikachutorpor: not exactly, but i know someone is working on it
18:39:54pondlifeaudio_invalidate_tracks is the cause
18:40:42lowlightright...I'm not sure what triggers that when I'm just letting it play.
18:40:46pondlifeIndicates that Q_AUDIO_FLUSH has been received
18:41:22pondlifeHmm, audio_invalidate_tracks should be static...
18:41:54torporMikachu: okay thanks for the info.. i'll check on rockbox a bit later when i've got something it will run on ..
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18:42:30pondlifeOK, so something called audio_flush_and_reload_tracks()
18:43:03lowlightpondlife: You'll see the same thing when I played the second directory (re-read at line 344)...but no audio_invalidate_tracks.
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18:44:27pondlifeIf you can add logf output to your stderr that makes it easier to follow...
18:45:00pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5883
18:45:54pondlifeThis will then log all of the message queues too
18:46:07pondlifeI've got to go now
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18:53:30funkywhich order I have to follow to install ipodlinux + rockbox + apple firmware on the same ipod?
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18:53:58funkyI already have apple + rockbox installed, along with the rockbox bootloader
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18:55:35funkyI think I had to start again, making a new partition for ipodlinux and installing loader2
18:59:41jhMikeSpetur: did you do any basic testing on that patch?
18:59:52peturnot yet...
18:59:53markunfunky: I think so too
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19:00:02preglowpetur: also, where are the sliding animations? :PPppPpP
19:00:07preglowhave we learned nothing from apple???
19:00:14peturgonna load it now and test this weekend
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19:00:30Mikachupreglow: the sliding animations that lag when playing music
19:00:56jhMikeSmost important thing atm is the source switching
19:01:17peturwanted to show pics to somebody and got terribly annoyed by the implementation ;)
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19:01:55peturpreglow: had two Leffe's already and gonna have some more good stuff later on :p
19:03:22preglowi've got a rochefort 8 awaiting consumption
19:03:28peturwow
19:03:30preglowthis day's definite highlght
19:04:20*petur wonders how much a rochefort costs in Norway
19:04:25preglowtoo much...
19:04:32peturI feared so
19:04:41preglowhmm, i think this one cost around 6-7 euro
19:04:53preglowwhich is horrendous
19:04:58preglowbut rochefort is expensive here
19:05:00*markun is about to do a wmcodec rework commit..
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19:06:17*amiconn tried Leffe once
19:06:28preglowpetur: i just think we're lucky to have it at all with the overall shitty selection available here
19:06:36peturLeffe is not the top - way too commercial
19:06:47preglowpetur: yeah, but damned tasty for a commercial beer
19:06:59peturbut the company bar 'only' has Leffe
19:06:59preglowespecially the brown one
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19:07:14*petur doesn't wonder
19:07:21random81Hi
19:07:35random81I figured out how to add a really simple plugin and compile it.
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19:07:44peturcongrats
19:07:46random81But the edit-compile-run loop takes too long using "make && make clean && make install"
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19:07:54random81Any hints to speed it up , so I can just compile the plugin ?
19:07:57preglowrandom81: why do you make clean?
19:08:01preglowrandom81: just do make
19:08:08preglowrandom81: and only what you've changed will be recompiled
19:08:10Mikachuand why do you run make clean _after_ make???
19:08:21peturlol
19:08:26random81well, i havent coded c in ages
19:08:47Mikachudoing make clean before make will give you a 100% speed increase, not running it at all probably 5000%
19:09:22peturrunning make clean after make gives you no binaries :)
19:09:34Mikachumake install will probably trigger a recompile
19:09:54random81thanks, i'll try
19:10:22*petur doesn't want to try on cygwin
19:10:38Mikachuheh
19:10:40amiconnsurely not
19:10:56amiconnA full swcodec simulator build takes >30 minutes here :(
19:11:06random81i'm using the vmware environment, and it works now
19:11:38amiconn...partially because of the multiple attempts to make bitmaps
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19:14:40Arathisthanks to barrywardell, Mikachu, Slasheri! I found the files which caused my tag-cache not to be build :D now it works fine again
19:14:48godzirraanyone heard from Kalthare in the past few days?
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19:18:20preglowwhy oh why do you still torment yourself with cygwin?
19:18:47peturwindows?
19:18:52preglowvmware?
19:19:04peturI want to edit under windows
19:19:21peturand the vmware services stay in memory all the time
19:19:52peturwhich is Bad Design (tm) in my opinion
19:20:03amiconnpetur: ??
19:20:34peturI tried vmware at work and it loads 2 or 3 services that hjust stay there and consume memory
19:20:49amiconnVMware can be configured to swap the same way as any other application. At least vmware workstation >= 5.0 and the vmware player do
19:21:06peturso maybe I should try again?
19:21:12amiconnThe services are neglectible imho, the VM(s) consume more
19:21:43markuncould anyone with a DAP with a Wolfson codec please try the latest build?
19:21:45amiconnI would use vmware - if there would be a convenient way to edit under windows. I could share the home directory and map a network drive - but then many windows apps would become slow when the VM isn't running
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19:22:19amiconnPerhaps I should set up a VM exclusively for cvs and compilation, without any gui
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19:22:29amiconn...and leave that running all the time
19:22:53amiconnThat would require to cross-compile the sims for windows though
19:22:53SlasheriArathis: could you send the file(s) to me?
19:23:03Slasheriso the problem can be permanently fixed
19:23:03amiconnNot sure whether that'd be possible
19:23:59amiconnMy preferred editor works on wine, but wine apps don't get a button in the taskbar, at least not with gnome
19:24:17amiconnAnd no, I won't switch to KDE, that's for sure
19:24:55peturI don't know linux so the step is bigger for me...
19:25:16ArathisSlasheri: which file? I just added two 'logf' lines to tagcache.c so it reportes me the position of the error in tagcache_tmp.tcd. I than used hexedit to see which musicfile this was and deleted it. could have renamed it to a shorter name as well I think.
19:25:20amiconnThe vmware services add up to ~4.5MB of memory here. Nothing to worry about...
19:25:28godzirraCan anyone help me out? I apparently completely ran down my ipod's battery.
19:25:37godzirranow when I plug it into the usb port, nothing happens.
19:26:29amiconnJust leave it plugged for a while
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19:26:33godzirraBut its not charging.
19:26:42godzirraIt shows up something when it charge.
19:26:43godzirracharges.
19:26:46SlasheriArathis: do you think the problem was because of a too long filename?=
19:26:50godzirraand its been plugged in for... I dunno.. 20-30 minutes?
19:26:55amiconnhmm
19:26:59amiconnThat's bad, then
19:27:00Slasheriit would be nice to have the file you deleted for closer inspection
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19:27:37godzirrano suggestions?
19:27:41amiconnOf course it can only display something if there's enough juice for the system to start, but it should charge even without display (I guess)
19:28:05amiconnMaybe it hung, but now charged enough to display something when you reset it?
19:29:01godzirrahow do I reset it?
19:29:09amiconnSelect+Menu, as usual
19:29:21godzirrabut I thought you had to have it turned on to reset it like that?
19:29:25amiconn...for 5 seconds or so
19:29:39godzirraah ha!
19:29:41godzirrayou're my hero.
19:29:55godzirraits charging now.
19:30:07amiconn[19:28:05] <amiconn> Maybe it hung, .. <= that means it could be on, but fail to display anything
19:30:20godzirraresetting it worked.
19:30:31amiconnIt was charging before as well, just you couldn't see that it did
19:30:36*godzirra nods
19:30:38godzirramakes sense.
19:30:51godzirrathingsl ike that cause me to worry though. I wish I could find a h340 =p
19:31:49PaulJam_i think the same situation can happen with a h300 if rockbox hangs while the display is off.
19:32:22godzirraProbably. I just really liked my H120 compared to the ipod ;p
19:33:35ArathisSlasheri: I think so. I deleted the directory at once, don't know why.. but the file had a really long name. I don't know if it was the only one causing this error or just the first. I could test it if it's helpfull
19:34:00SlasheriArathis: that would be very helpful
19:34:08ArathisSlasheri: the file's path was: "music/Soundtracks/Filme/Star Wars/Starwars Episode 6 - Return of the Jedi/Starwars - Episode 6 OST CD2/07 - The Battle Of Endor II (Leia Is Wounded &The Duel Begins & Overtaking the Bunker & The Dark Side Beckons & The Emperor's Death).mp3"
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19:34:18Arathisso it was *really* long
19:34:29Slasherioh, that's long
19:34:53Slasheribut it still shouldn't crash..
19:35:28ArathisI could send you the one file while testing if tagcache works without it, but with the rest of the directory
19:35:59ArathisSlasheri: do you have an H10?
19:37:12SlasheriArathis: nope, only h140. But i can test with simulator
19:37:12amiconnpetur: Did you test your jpeg.c change (and also let it test on greyscale targets)?
19:37:39amiconnI suspect this will hard-clash with the grayscale library.
19:38:21ArathisSlasheri: I'll upload the file for you in a minute.
19:38:53markunWell, if audio output on the ipods is broken just let me know..
19:39:10Genre9mp3eeer... wht's that wolfdon codec?
19:39:14Genre9mp3*wolfson
19:39:32markunthe sounds chip
19:39:44Genre9mp3ah..
19:39:48Genre9mp3ok
19:39:57Genre9mp3I though it was something like an audio codec
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19:40:02markunno
19:40:14Genre9mp3forgive my ignorance
19:40:18Genre9mp3anyway gtg
19:40:27amiconnIt is called audiocodec
19:40:37amiconnThat's obviously to confuse people...
19:41:23SlasheriArathis: thanks
19:42:30peturamiconn: sorry, I figured it was a quite harmless change
19:42:32amiconnHmm. Building that nano sim took "only" 29 minutes :(
19:43:01peturbut I gtg now
19:43:11amiconnpetur: The problem is that the main thread *must not* call any functions accessing the LCD directly while the grayscale isr is running
19:43:32peturI only removed some, not add any
19:43:32amiconnThis will confuse the lcd controller for sure
19:43:41amiconnYou added some
19:43:56ArathisSlasheri: shall I send you the modified tagcache.c too? just so you know where in there the problem is
19:44:00amiconn...in th efirst block of changes, around line 2340
19:44:15SlasheriArathis: please :)
19:44:41peturamiconn: I really gtg, will check later if you haven't already
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19:45:09*amiconn would really prefer if such things are checked _before_ commit :(
19:46:57SlasheriArathis: hmm.. do you have a firewall?
19:47:07amiconn*hrmpf*
19:47:14Slasheriit seems my client can't connect to you
19:47:24ArathisSlasheri: I don't know. :/
19:48:01ArathisIt's my PC, but I live in a hostel
19:48:22Slasheriah, probably there are some restrictions then.. hmm
19:48:26Slasherido you have linux? :)
19:48:49ArathisSlasheri: www.sinlos.net/dirk/tagcache.c
19:48:54Arathisyes, ubuntu dapper
19:49:00amiconnArathis: If you're behind a nat router, dcc send won't work without proper router configuration
19:49:13Slasheriok, then you could use netcat to stream the raw data to a given port ;)
19:49:19Arathiswww.sinlos.net/dirk/05 - The Battle Of Endor I (Into The Trap & Forest Ambush & Scout Walker Scramble & Prime Weapon Fires) .mp3
19:49:29Slasheriok, great :)
19:49:38amiconndcc send works in reverse direction, i.e. the sending client advertises an IP and port where the receiving client can connect to
19:51:03SlasheriArathis: got it, thanks
19:51:14Arathishope it helps
19:51:35Slasherii will try it with simulator soon and hope it crashes
19:51:58Arathis:D
19:52:38Arathisbtw: I inserted too lines at ll. 2106 and 2107 in tagcache.c
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19:57:06My_Sichie all
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19:57:27My_Sici have some problem to compil my own rockbox
19:58:07My_Sicon my computer under Windows, or in a shell under linux, or another under Sun i have always the same error : arm-elf-gcc: Command not found
19:58:54My_Sicbut under windows with cygwin, arm-elf-gcc is installed
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20:00:25oboAnyone here who can commit a one-line patch for me please? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6218
20:03:20ArathisSlasheri: that's weird. I recopied the whole folder I deleted earlier and now tagcache builds as normal oO
20:04:56Slasherihmm.. folder contents were exactly same?
20:05:04Arathisyes
20:05:07Slasherimaybe there was a disk problem then
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20:05:26Arathisat least I don't know what I should have changed
20:11:47Arathisbtw: how can it be that my playlists won't show up if I go from "tag-cache menu >> context menu >> playlist catalog", but if I go through the options menu they do?
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20:25:29My_Sicplease where i can find arm-elf-gcc for windows ?
20:29:32ArathisSlasheri: okay, I hadn't put the dir to the right location. that's why it worked
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20:37:26ArathisSlasheri: but now I renamed the file and it worked. So it was really just a too long filename
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20:42:39XavierGrpetur: about the vmware resident processes, I made a little batch program that will run each needed service for vmware to run and then when I finish with the sim and close vmware the batch will autoclose those services (processes)
20:43:43amiconnThat only works if you're admin
20:43:55amiconn(or otherwise have the necessary rights to start/stop services)
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20:51:26barrywardellMy_Sic: search the rockbox wiki for either vmware or cygwin
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21:08:32My_Sicthanks i will try vmare
21:14:00markunwibbix just loaded and ran rockbox on his Gigabeat! not much is working, but again some progress.
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21:15:11pagefaultbarrywardell, thank you for all your work on the h10 port
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21:23:31barrywardellpagefault: np. i don't really consider it work
21:23:56pagefaultwell hobby/project whatever you call it
21:24:06pagefaulti've been following it since sept and ti's come a long way
21:28:56godzirraIs Kalthare the only one working on the 5.5 as far as you guysk now?
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21:46:48deeshDoes Rockbox support video file formats?
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21:48:52barrywardelldeesh: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
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21:54:32lowlightpondlife: if you read the logs...I wanted to post this before I go for the weekend (and forget what I was doing)...
21:54:56lowlightthere's something odd about codec_load_next_track() in playback.c
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21:55:45TerrorBytehi
21:56:14TerrorByteanyone here?
21:56:14nlsbeautiful now I cant reach my vmware share for some reason arg!
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21:56:21nlsmaybe...
21:56:43TerrorBytelol
21:57:00TerrorBytedamn, i cant wait for sound to appear on MPEG player....
21:57:06TerrorByteis there any word on when that'll get done?
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21:57:30TerrorByteTerrorByte: lol
21:57:35lowlightfirst, it waits for Q_CODEC_REQUEST_PENDING, but that is never set in the code (it's commented out) so that loop is skipped and it's possible to return false which indicates that the next track can't be loaded
21:57:42nlsTerrorByte, No, afaik no-one is working on it atm.
21:57:48TerrorByteaw...
21:57:52TerrorByteno one's working on it?
21:58:05TerrorByteit should be top priority! :P
21:58:57TerrorBytenls: no one's even working on it??
21:59:13nlsYou can make it YOUR top priority :-P
21:59:43lowlightpondlife: what I see in some of the logging is that the codec requests a track, Q_AUDIO_CHECK_NEW_TRACK is sent, but somehow Q_CODEC_REQUEST_FAILED is received before audio_check_new_track() is called.
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22:00:48lowlightthe codec quits, and and then I see audio_check_new_track() being called which indeed finds the next track.
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22:02:25TerrorBytei have NO idea how to go about this stuff...
22:02:29TerrorByteI just want it done!
22:02:40TerrorByteI can't believe there's no work being done on it.
22:02:43Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: For an music player, why should video be a top priority over things like getting bugs fixed, and battery life?
22:02:58amiconn(1) we don't estimate dates (2) rockbox is a dap firmware, so video certainly isn't top priority
22:03:11Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: There's no work being done on it because all the people who really want it all have no idea how to do it. :-P
22:03:18amiconnDevs are free to choose what they're working on
22:03:25lowlightpondlife: it seems like adding too many debugf/logfs changes the timing of events to the benefit of the check new track queue event so the failure doesn't happen.
22:03:25TerrorByteOf course bugs/battery is important, but nevertheless....
22:03:28TerrorByteYesh I do know that.
22:03:30TerrorByteI can wait.
22:03:48TerrorByteI'm just saying that it should be done eventually.
22:04:10TerrorByteJeez ;P
22:04:55Paul_the_NerdWhat does "eventually" have to do with whether anyone's working on it now, though?
22:05:02lowlightpondlife: it's possible that the white noise may be caused by pcmbuf_play_stop() statement that isn't reached because Q_CODEC_REQUEST_PENDING isn't set. So maybe the pcmbuf plays stuff when it should have been stopped.
22:05:25TerrorByteIt still matters.
22:05:34TerrorByteThere could be some work being done on it...
22:05:37TerrorByteBut not such a big focus.
22:05:40nlsYay reebooting the vm helped, isn't linux supposed to never have to reboot :-P
22:05:58amiconnhaha
22:06:06TerrorByteI'm very new to Rockbox.
22:06:12TerrorByteAnd I know that the devs know best.
22:06:17TerrorByteI'm just SAYING..............
22:06:18TerrorByte-_-;
22:06:46amiconnTerrorByte: Not much point in adding sound support as long as the video isn't even up to speed
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22:07:16TerrorByteamiconn: What's wrong with the video?
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22:07:27TerrorByteamiconn: I converted a few things. They did seem alright.
22:08:16jhMikeSdevs may be free to choose what they're working on but may they beware! :D
22:09:22TerrorByteLOL.
22:09:24TerrorByte:)
22:09:45TerrorByteBecause it would be pretty sick to have video on it :)
22:10:16amiconnVideo decoding isn't realtime on all targets yet
22:10:50*jhMikeS wants to take on USBOTG with the ALi chip... (masochisic he is)
22:11:21TerrorByteHey, I have a question.
22:11:28TerrorByteWhen I convert using the batch file...
22:11:33amiconnjhMikeS: That'll be HARD....
22:11:34TerrorByteThe video gets cut off in the middle.
22:11:43TerrorByteSometimes..
22:11:47TerrorByteFor some videos.
22:11:49TerrorByteWhy is that?
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22:12:15amiconnI think our best option is to wait for usbotg support happening on H300 (this chip is documented, fortunately), and the figure out the necessary bits & pieces for the ali chip
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22:13:26jhMikeSamiconn: I shudder to think ... but I'd like a way to watch the OF communicate with it. Wonder if an accurate enough emulator could be assembled to make the OF thinks it's running on a real device. I don't have any logic analyzers or any such eq.
22:13:30Paul_the_NerdAli chip?
22:14:22amiconnImho LA won't help much
22:14:42amiconnEither we manage to figure it out from a disassembly, or we need to hook up a bdm wiggler
22:14:57jhMikeSbdm wiggler?
22:15:03preglowhardware debugger
22:15:06amiconnHow would you emulate an undocumented chip?
22:15:10jhMikeShmmm...
22:15:33amiconnbdm == background debug module; see coldfire manual
22:15:55jhMikeSdon't emulate the chip at once...just watch the first thing it does to communicate with it. And immitate the responses working forward from that.
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22:16:12amiconnHow would you know the correct response?
22:16:27jhMikeSBut a hw debugger might be better.
22:16:45RogerBaconanyone here working on code usb stack ?
22:17:03TerrorBytequestion...
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22:17:10TerrorBytehow come the batch file doesn't work right?
22:17:19TerrorByteit doesn't convert the whole video...
22:17:23jhMikeSIsolate the code that sends the data. I'm just looking for suggestions since I've never attempted it. I'd learn a lot from it.
22:17:25TerrorByteconverts like 3 or 5 secs.
22:17:28TerrorByteanyone
22:17:32TerrorByte?
22:18:03Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: The batch file just runs VLC with a certain command line. If VLC isn't working right for you, you should contact its support channels.
22:18:05jhMikeSI don't have a unit that I'd want to rip into either.
22:18:46TerrorBytePaul_the_Nerd: Bah, thanks.....
22:19:01jhMikeSWell...if we get the data sent out...we can watch the responses on real hw
22:19:58amiconnImho we should first try to understand it from the disassembly, after we have working usbotg on H300. If that doesn't help, bdm might be the only other option
22:20:14amiconnThis is the method with the least 'unknowns' in it
22:23:32jhMikeSWhat good dissasm tools are available? Where?
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22:24:50jhMikeSIsolating all that in their megabytes of goop seems a bit intimidating but a lot seems to be graphics under a casual look.
22:25:11preglowa lot, but far from all
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22:25:53amiconnPeople seem to use ida pro a lot, but imho the tool doesn't matter much; as long as it gives correct results, it should be good enough
22:26:05preglowthe tool really does matter
22:26:07jhMikeSAnd language stuff, character tables for all that unicode...wonder how much is actually live code.
22:26:11preglowida pro is a dream to work with compared with other tool
22:26:12preglows
22:26:35amiconnpreglow: What feature of ida pro is so superior to other disassemblers?
22:26:54amiconnI've had a look, it seemed rather slow to me
22:27:26preglowamiconn: the fact that it really organizes the disassembly so well
22:27:28amiconnWith archos, I just used sh2d to disassemble, then studied the code in an editor
22:27:30preglowand helps you do it too
22:27:33jhMikeSIs it a killer on the wallet?
22:27:41preglowalso, it does a lot of educated guessing
22:27:43preglowjhMikeS: oh yes
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22:29:05preglowso it's not a real option, of course
22:29:16jhMikeShmmm appears to be similar to getting into some Adobe apps
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22:30:33preglowamiconn: but anyway, what choices have we really got? i don't know of much besides objdump, and that sucks
22:30:48amiconnobjdump is buggy for coldfire
22:31:01preglowbuggy and highly insufficient
22:31:18preglowimagine mixed thumb and 32 bit code on arm
22:31:34preglowa scenario you'll see a lot
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22:34:45barrywardellh3mod can be useful for finding images in the firmware. That way you can ignore those blocks of the file
22:35:29jhMikeSThe USBOTG thing is the only reason I ever touch the OF, otherwise it's useless.
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22:37:51amiconnHow do you do that on X5?
22:38:49jhMikeSI just plug in my camera. There's a menu item along with the radio stuff. I forget the name of it.
22:39:21amiconnNo, I mean how you use the OF?
22:39:32amiconnWe don't have (official, reliable) dual boot
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22:39:48amiconn...unlike on H300
22:39:57jhMikeSheh...I did have the dual boot but I'll just reflash to that if needed which is rare
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22:40:32jhMikeSShouldn't the dual booting be just part of the bootloader and detect whether or not it's been joined?
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22:40:58jhMikeSIt worked rather well actually.
22:41:20amiconnThe existing dual boot patch relies on certain addresses in the OF
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22:41:35amiconnIf those change (e.g. different version) -> poof
22:42:14jhMikeSTo my knowledge no OF released used anything different. If it's something they can't change then you're safe I suppose.
22:43:05Paul_the_NerdBut we don't know that they can't, just that they haven't yet, right?
22:43:14jhMikeSCan the boot ROM code be changed?
22:43:20jhMikeSIs it really ROM?
22:43:35amiconnAfaik the addresses used are some routines which might change address with any new of version
22:43:49nlsIs it just me or does "Press STOP to continue." sound umm... a bit weird?
22:43:56amiconnI don't care enough about the of to dig into it
22:43:57Paul_the_NerdI can't imagine that there's anything there that we can't just do ourselves, is there?
22:44:36amiconn...mainly because the X5 is so cumbersome for travelling because of the subpack
22:45:23jhMikeSno subpack for USBOTG though
22:45:37amiconnYes, sure
22:45:45preglowi need to get another h1x0 for when this one breaks
22:45:48jhMikeSBut the preloader (0x0000-0xFFFF) is permanent or can be reflashed?
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22:48:32amiconnI didn't dig into X5 flashing yet. I guess the preloader is protected by the built-in flasher, but there surely is no hardware protection
22:48:54jhMikeSI also wonder if the LCD driver is really still only 90% finished as in the wiki :)
22:50:16amiconnYour 18->16 bit change is looking good. I can't see why it shouldn't work on all X5s
22:50:44*amiconn is still puzzled about the slowness of his emacified lcd_yuv_blit() :(
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22:50:52preglowrockbox uses the display in 16 bit mode now?
22:51:32jhMikeSThe data format changed from say |rrrrr0ggg|gggbbbbb0| to |rrrrrggg0|gggbbbbb0| and this use on a 9-bit bus isn't documented
22:51:49jhMikeSIt becomes 8-bit
22:51:59amiconnNot truly
22:52:18jhMikeSnot truely except it ignores bit 0 in each transmission
22:52:46skhello, im looking for help.
22:52:46amiconnThe transfer format is still rgb666, but the lowest bit of R and B is ignored because dithering is disabled and the internal framebuffer is 16 bit only
22:53:14jhMikeSlook closer....it takes 5 bits for red now
22:53:52amiconnAh, yes
22:54:03jhMikeSit's more like RGB 576
22:55:03skim installing rockbox onto 3rd gen ipod. i believe it needs to be formatted with fat32, but i get stuck in the process of installing with terminal (im on a G5 PPC) when it says there is no partition to be found. does the windows version firmware need to be on the ipod to install?
22:55:23skat the moment the ipod is wiped and formatted with fat32. but i have no way of installing the firmware for that format
22:56:09Paul_the_Nerdsk: Did you follow the Installation from OSX instructions, or did you just reformat your iPod?
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22:56:23jhMikeSthe switch keeps the video to RGB666 and only changes the DIT bit when it needs to. :P
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22:58:04amiconnYes, saw that
22:58:41amiconnIt's basically rgb565 like on 8 bit bus but 1 bit shifted up
22:58:49amiconn(like the commands)
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23:01:48jhMikeSyup...should just shadow the registers instead of or-ing things though.
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23:04:14amiconnjhMikeS: The rest of R_ENTRY_MODE stays the same, right?
23:04:25nlsWould anybody cry if I commit this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6027
23:04:29amiconnIf so, you don't need to shadow the register. Just use 2 constants
23:05:43jhMikeSThat's the kind of "shadowing" I was speaking of really. For the contrast more of the usual sense.
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23:11:31TerrorBytehey guys
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23:11:41TerrorByteare there only DOOM wad files?
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23:15:38Paul_the_NerdSeveral games used the .wad format for their resource files
23:15:48Paul_the_NerdBut it's not RockWadReader, it's RockDoom.
23:16:28TerrorByteTrue.
23:16:29TerrorByte-_-;
23:16:35TerrorByteShouldn't have asked.
23:17:42TerrorByteSo, what's required in getting sound in the videos?
23:17:56TerrorByteWhat has to be done?
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23:18:56Paul_the_NerdWell right now it'll slow down video playback ALOT.
23:19:05TerrorByteI see.
23:19:10Paul_the_NerdSo really things need to be optimized to the point where enabling it won't slow everything down to molasses-like speeds
23:19:11TerrorByteAnd how can video playback itself be improved?
23:19:16TerrorByteAh.
23:19:28TerrorByteAbout the encoding of the videos.
23:19:40TerrorByteRight now, it only plays non-encoded forms right?
23:19:56Paul_the_NerdWhat do you mean?
23:19:58BagderMpegPlayer plays... mpeg!
23:20:04Paul_the_NerdRight now it plays MPEG2 and MPEG1 compressed videos...
23:20:11TerrorByteBut nothing else..
23:20:25TerrorByteWill it be able to play other compression videos?
23:20:25Paul_the_NerdI don't understand the question.
23:20:52Paul_the_NerdYou're going to have to reencode videos no matter what to get them to a size to playback decently fast.
23:21:05TerrorByteI see.
23:21:10nlsBagder, does this lok ok from a langv2 perspective ? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6027
23:21:13TerrorByteWow, you guys got sound done for the iPOD :)
23:21:17Paul_the_NerdI mean, do you have a reason to prefer a different compressed format?
23:21:28Paul_the_NerdSound for the iPod?
23:21:29TerrorByteNo, I don't care what the compression method.
23:21:33TerrorByteAas long as it works.
23:21:41TerrorBytehttp://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-01/0543.shtml
23:22:13Bagdernls: yes I believe so
23:22:32Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: So why were you asking about other compression methods when we already support two?
23:22:42Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: Also, yes, that's the announcement from January that we had music playing on iPods
23:22:45nlsI will commit it then.
23:23:08TerrorBytePaul_the_Nerd: Will sound ever get done for the H10?
23:23:28Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: The H10 has sound too.
23:23:38Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: That announcement has *nothing* to do with Video
23:23:42Paul_the_NerdThat's just "sound"
23:23:52Bagdervideoless sound ;-)
23:23:57TerrorBytePaul_the_Nerd: Oh. -___-;
23:23:59TerrorByteLOL.
23:24:02TerrorByteWhoops.
23:24:02TerrorByteHeh.
23:24:21TerrorBytePaul_the_Nerd: Also, dunno how to really say this, but which of the Rockbox supported MP3 players is most capable?
23:24:48TerrorBytePaul_the_Nerd: Power wise... Or something... Are they about the same? Or do really sine?
23:24:51TerrorByteshine*
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23:25:57Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: It really depends. Each has its own strengths depending on what you're doing, I guess.
23:26:30TerrorBytePaul_the_Nerd: How about in terms of video and sound playback? Because video playback is slow on the H10...
23:27:00Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: Video playback is slow on all of them right now, except maybe the Nano.
23:27:20Paul_the_NerdThough actually the H10 should be reasonable.
23:27:58TerrorBytePaul_the_Nerd: And what do you guys need to do exactly to get video up to speed?
23:28:13amiconnOptimise, optimise and optimise
23:28:17TerrorBytePaul_the_Nerd: Yes video on the H10 is reasonable. But it still is a tad bit slow...
23:28:19TerrorByteI see.
23:28:27Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: How many FPS do you get on the sample file?
23:28:35TerrorByteI have not tried the sample file.
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23:28:41TerrorByteShould I right now?
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23:28:54TerrorByteCan it ever get to such a level of optimization so that it runs video/audio smoothly?
23:29:51Paul_the_NerdThere's not an easy way to predict that
23:30:02Paul_the_NerdEspecially since you aren't defining "smoothly"
23:30:20TerrorByteWell you said audio and video slows to a crawl.
23:30:25TerrorByteWant me to test the sample file?
23:30:49TerrorByteSo I guess smoothly = video runs a bit faster with audio.
23:30:51Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: I said it would slow to a crawl. Not that it does.
23:30:53barrywardellthe sample file runs near 25 fps on the H10 20GB
23:31:00Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: "Bit faster" doesn't mean anything either.
23:31:10Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: You're talking in relative terms to a subjective point that I don't know where is.
23:31:20TerrorByteOkay, where is the testfile?
23:31:27TerrorByteI want to see how well it runs.
23:32:08Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: What type of player do you have?
23:32:25TerrorByteI'll be back in a few mins.
23:32:30TerrorByteLater.
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23:34:11amiconnDo we have a suitable testfile for the H10 5GB ?
23:34:20Paul_the_NerdDoesn't look like it
23:34:38Paul_the_NerdThe H10 20 should perform faster than the Nano, right?
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23:37:43barrywardelli'll test now
23:38:53jhMikeSDid mirak give up on video?
23:39:18Paul_the_NerdWasn't Mirak working on MPEG4?
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23:39:40mirakjhMikeS: no time actually
23:39:46jhMikeSPaul_the_Nerd: last I knew he was working on libmpeg2
23:40:06mirakjhMikeS: last job was trying to reduce ffmpeg mpeg2
23:40:07jhMikeSmirak: hello...I see
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23:40:30mirakI don't think I will have time next week too
23:40:33amiconnmirak: Did put up a patch of your asm optimised idct stuff somewhere?
23:40:46mirakamiconn: yes on patch tracker
23:40:55amiconnd'oh
23:41:09barrywardelllooks like the test video is at about 22-24fps on my h10
23:41:43mirakwithout asm that's great
23:41:44barrywardell33fps for the 160x96 test video
23:41:57mirakI think it shouldn't be hard to port the idct I did to asm arm
23:42:06mirakif you know arm asm at least ...
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23:42:44jhMikeSYeah those x5-designers really had to sacrifice bus with just to say they had 262,144 shades or whatever. What a terrible choice.
23:43:30barrywardellthe h10 lcd is identical to the x5
23:43:40jhMikeSIt's 9-bit?
23:44:26jhMikeSThey could have used the whole 16-bit width and send one pixel with one write instead of two.
23:44:29amiconnGah
23:44:41amiconnThis subpack thingy always hides somewhere :/
23:44:50barrywardellno, sorry it's 8-bit
23:44:59barrywardellwe use the interface on the pp chip i think
23:45:10barrywardellbut it's the same actual lcd hardware
23:45:25jhMikeSheh...my subpack is in my bag...my x5 sits in its cradle with a blanky
23:46:00Paul_the_Nerdbarrywardell: I think I get slightly better than that for fullscreen on Nano, and slightly worse for letterbox, oddly.
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23:46:39jhMikeSpp must do better with actual decoding then
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23:49:13Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: The Nano and the H10 are both Portalplayer based.
23:49:35dmathi. Anyone here have a 1st gen Nano with Rockbox on?
23:49:54barrywardellPaul_the_Nerd: yes, that is odd
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23:50:29Paul_the_Nerdbarrywardell: but in all honesty it's been a while since I tried, my memory could be serving me poorly, or the performance could have changed slightly since then. :)
23:50:48Paul_the_Nerdbarrywardell: Ooooor, I could've had framerate limiting on during widescreen playback.
23:50:51*Paul_the_Nerd cannot remember.
23:51:27PaulJamIs it possible to load a keyboard layout via a .cfg file? The manual doesn't mention the custom keyboard layouts at all.
23:51:39barrywardellit makes sense that they're fairly similar anyway
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23:52:09dmatI'm using today's daily build and I can't get rockdoom to work...
23:52:39dmatThe mp3 playback is fine though... ;-)
23:53:09nlsdmat, did ti use to work for you?
23:53:23nlsit even
23:53:58dmatNo, first time install, but the wiki lists it as supported on 1st gen Nano
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23:54:33nlsI think that's correct, so did you follow the instructions?
23:54:46dmatI patched my v1.2 Apple FW with the bootloader using -g video rather than -g nano
23:55:01dmatThe bootloader appears fine and chains the apple fw
23:55:21nlsdid you install rockbox?
23:55:25dmatI added the 20061020 daily build and font package to the disk and rebooted
23:55:41nlsand rockbox started?
23:55:41dmatRockboxs runs fine and plays mp3s OK
23:55:50dmatcube plugin runs
23:55:57dmatother plugins run
23:56:06nlsAnd did you follow the doom instructions?
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23:56:36dmatI added the rockdoom.wad and correctly named doom wads to /games/doom
23:56:47dmatthen started rockdoom plugin
23:56:53dmatthe menu comes up
23:57:08dmatselected a wad and went to play game
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23:57:09jhMikeSRolo will reset static variables to defaults correct since it reloads the image?
23:58:01dmatBut after a number of messages which are too long for the screen width, I get a segfault messagee
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23:58:08dmatWell not segfault
23:58:29dmatWhat's the rockbox segfault equivalent?

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