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#rockbox log for 2006-10-31

00:00:03Davide-NYClol
00:00:04Paul_the_NerdBut are you sure you extracted and overwrote the whole .rockbox folder?
00:00:08TempisI guess just the binary
00:00:10peturjhMikeS: nice!
00:00:11TempisI thought I did
00:00:36scorchePaul_the_Nerd: yeah, but that should be there already from fully installing whatever build
00:00:52Paul_the_Nerdscorche: But notice that his plugins, none of them, are working?
00:01:03Paul_the_Nerdscorche: Which is why the firwmare_flash.rock isn't either. :)
00:01:13jhMikeSthanks. everthing seems on the up with it. can't test optical 'till be cables come
00:01:28scorcheyeah, but that isnt anything that should be an issue if he fully installed
00:02:17Paul_the_Nerdscorche: I was trying to determine if the full installation had happened properly though, it sounds like it didn't.
00:02:26scorcheah..gotcha
00:02:37Tempishold on I think I may have found something
00:02:53scorcheTempis: i am assuming you do not have the ability to compile builds?
00:03:22scorchebah...vmware isnt letting me go in through samba..
00:03:40Tempisdamnit, it won't let me delete the current .rockbox folder
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00:09:02jhMikeSDavide-NYC: Are there docking cradles available for it?
00:09:13Davide-NYCnope :-(
00:09:28jhMikeSrrrr...have to make one then
00:09:50Davide-NYCbut this cable is worth buying: http://www.boxwave.com/products/easyfinder/buy-best-iriver-h120-accessories_354.htm
00:10:16jhMikeSI like how the case comes with the metal snap sitting there just waiting to scratch the lcd window
00:10:16Davide-NYCthe mini-sync with the 5v supply cable.
00:10:46Davide-NYCMine goes to the back of the player
00:11:12Tempissomething has happened and the .rockbox folder is corrupt
00:11:22Davide-NYCBelieve me, if you're an "audio only" kind of guy this is THE PLAYER to beat.
00:12:11Davide-NYCIf you like colors and such then the X5 is much cooler. But I only care about connectivity and audio quality and those sort of 'dry' endeavours
00:12:15scorcheTempis: scandisk?
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00:12:20jhMikeSit goes to the back of the player but it's right at the front till you snap it back so it gets it when you're inserting it
00:12:40Davide-NYCtrue that be a risk I guess.
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00:13:29jhMikeSIt won't fit my music collection but no matter
00:13:57jhMikeSHas better retailos than the x5 did though by far
00:14:17jhMikeSI'll upgrade to rockbox when it's charged fully
00:14:26Tempisok, something is definatley wrong
00:14:35Davide-NYC:-)
00:14:45TempisI knew I shouldn't have tried flashing
00:14:53scorcheTempis: ?
00:14:59Tempisnow I can't get rockbox installed on it
00:15:08scorchewhy?
00:15:14TempisI don't know
00:15:30scorchehave you run scandisk?
00:15:35Tempiswhen I plug in the usb, the files are there, but when I start up the unit it doesn't show up
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00:18:31Tempisstupid windows xp
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00:30:50scorcheTempis: any luck?
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00:33:12jhMikeShas anyone has any trouble with building rb at home on coldfire targets since I moved the system.c/.h stuff?
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00:34:42jhMikeSheh...went back and checked and I see it's been addressed :P
00:34:47Tempisthe drive is definately having problems
00:35:11scorcheTempis: did scandisk report any?
00:35:23Tempisyes
00:35:32scorcheand what did it report?
00:35:37scorche /fix
00:35:55TempisI'm runing a surface scan
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00:53:17Tempisok, I'm just going to replace the drive
00:54:00TempisI have a 60GB drive here, but I think it's formatted ntfs... can I put it in the archos first and them format it fat32
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01:03:07amiconnDavide-NYC: Sure the H1x0 has s/pdif, but when it comes to analog audio quality, the X5 is clearly better than the h1x0
01:03:36amiconnX5 doesn't have tone controls, but the dac in the h1x0 (or probably the circuitry around it) is rather noisy
01:04:40scorcheTempis: if you want
01:04:48amiconnMaybe it differs between units, but that's what I observed with my units
01:04:58scorchebut if you have a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter, it will be quicker
01:05:05TempisI don't
01:05:22scorcheare you sure there is a problem with the drive?
01:05:24amiconnQuick format won't take long even through usb1.1
01:05:25Tempisis there a decent guide to switching out the HD
01:05:32TempisI'm pretty sure
01:05:43JdGordonamiconn: should I not touch the archos taregts today when im bored?
01:05:45Genre9mp3amiconn: have you noticed any other differencies in the sound besides the SNR?
01:05:47TempisI've run scan disk twice and it keeps finding errors
01:06:07Tempisplus there have been a few times when I was starting up the Archos when it would give me a HD error
01:06:36Genre9mp3amiconn: Or maybe between H100 and H300 (they use the same chip though)
01:06:48amiconnGenre9mp3: Nope, at least not with rockbox (and I would be surprised if there were one)
01:06:53Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: I've found the H120 to be quite noisy as well, in that context. The iFP-700 is actually nearly equally so.
01:07:29amiconnDunno about the OFs; I just played a few tracks with of long ago on my 140, and actually not a single track with the x5 of
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01:08:07Genre9mp3I must admit that when I first listened to my H300 I got more hiss than I'd expect to
01:09:05Genre9mp3amiconn: Do you think the problem is with the dac or with the amplification of the unit?
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01:09:45amiconnI'm not sure. According to the datasheet the dac should have good enough snr to not cause audible hiss
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01:10:14amiconnBut then both my h140 and my h340 have that hiss - and both use the same dac...
01:10:44Genre9mp3Maybe I should do some tests with the line out... this by-passes any amplification, am I right?
01:10:55amiconnTicking remotes seem to be common among coldfire based daps
01:11:12Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: It's readily apparent on line-out too, or was in my brief test.
01:11:35amiconnIn that respect, the H300 is the best shielded one (at least mine is). Just silencing the /CS got completely rid of the ticking
01:11:50scorche`Tempis: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6268.msg51577#msg51577
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01:12:54Genre9mp3amiconn: same here.. ticking completely gone on my H300
01:24:54Genre9mp3hmm... according to the uda datasheet the typical SNR for the headphone driver is 93dB with a minimum of 87dB
01:25:37Genre9mp3sounds good... on paper :/
01:25:49preglowand that's a-weighted
01:26:31Genre9mp3yes a-wieghted it says
01:26:40Genre9mp3what exactly that means?
01:27:26Genre9mp3would be bigger or smaller if it was c-weighted?
01:27:58preglowhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_weighting
01:28:11preglowbigger
01:28:12preglowafaik
01:28:44Genre9mp3well... that's good I suppose
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01:29:40Genre9mp3A-weighting gives emphasis on human listening capabilities, right?
01:29:55preglowyes
01:30:07preglowat low levels
01:30:26Genre9mp3I've heard though that some claim that C-weighting is more accurate
01:31:14Genre9mp3low levels, you mean volume or frequency?
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01:37:04preglowGenre9mp3: volume
01:37:21preglowwhat weighting to chose depends on the amplitude level
01:37:34preglowa weighting is for low amplitude signals, so in this case it's correct usage
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01:38:00Genre9mp3 isee..
01:39:00preglowanyone with gtkmm 2.10 installed here? :/
01:39:01gwxnei001hey guys my ipod mini 1 keeps restarting with rockbox installed. is it worth having it? or should i use the ipod software until there is a stable release for ipod mini???
01:39:09Genre9mp3I wonder what are the specs for the X5
01:40:59Awakenno news on 5.5 80gb ipod yet i spose? beyond whats on the forums?
01:41:11scorcheno
01:41:16Genre9mp3Aha... the TLV datasheets gives 97dB typical SNR and 90dB minimum
01:41:41Genre9mp3So according to specs, less hiss for the X5
01:42:21gwxnei001or should it run smoothly?
01:43:45Genre9mp3Interesting fact though is that the UDA gives better SNR than the TLV on Analog-to-Digital
01:43:51preglowgwxnei001: bugs will be had, a "stable" release might be long in the coming
01:44:33jhMikeSmaybe they overdo the noise shaping on H120 ;P
01:44:59Genre9mp3TLV: 90 (with min 85) and UDA: 97 (with min 92)
01:45:00preglowjhMikeS: got your h120?
01:45:27jhMikeSpreglow: yup. charging it (was tottaly drained) then upgrade
01:45:32preglowgoodzor
01:46:50gwxnei001yeah i understand that, think it might be my battery though. i'm gonna try with apples software and see how that goes. good work guys!
01:49:04gwxnei001is there an easy way to format my mini? without waiting for a 37 meg download
01:49:17jhMikeSdoes it say when charging's done or do you have to guess? :)
01:49:36amiconnThe green LED will switch off
01:49:40jhMikeSah
01:49:54amiconnThis is hardware controlled
01:50:11jhMikeSLong time from almost empty? It's been on a couple hours.
01:50:27amiconnFull charge should take max. 2 hours
01:50:50amiconnMaybe the very first is longer... don't remember
01:51:38jhMikeSIt had a little and I ran it for about 10min and it then gave battery low on boot the next time
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01:56:57DerPhilhi
01:57:58DerPhili want to install rockbox on my ipod video (5g). when i run the "ipodpatcher 2" (i know it is 2) it says "Error reading from disk: Wrong parameter." - what should i do?
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02:00:01DerPhildoes someone know? i wnat to go to bed, but i cant sleep until i know my ipod works with rockbox
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02:04:47DerPhilno?
02:04:48DerPhil:(
02:05:38DerPhilk thx anyway. bye
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02:12:46Davide-NYCamiconn: I was sleeping, sorry. I have read and understood your comments about the superiority of the X5 in terms of analog output
02:12:57*Davide-NYC sometime I just sleep
02:13:22Davide-NYCjhMikeS: you having battery probs?
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02:14:30Genre9mp3Davide-NYC: From what I read from the specs the irivers do better on recording though
02:14:44Davide-NYCthat clinches it fo rme.
02:14:49Davide-NYC*for me
02:15:50jhMikeSDavide-NYC: I'm just waiting for it to charge up. It was LOW. Hasn't really been on that long.
02:16:16Davide-NYCk
02:16:59jhMikeSStarted a charge then started playing around with it for a bit and put it back on.
02:18:01jhMikeSI notice the retailos has the source-specific recording settings there :)
02:19:21Davide-NYCyeah.
02:19:37Davide-NYCHey I'd like to include a tiny little feature request if at all possible.
02:19:48Davide-NYCThe WRS should siplay what input source is selected.
02:20:12jhMikeSyep
02:20:13Davide-NYCYes you can infer this most of the time by the available options but that requires too much brainpower in certain instances
02:20:34Davide-NYCalso FM (while actually recording) and line in look identical
02:20:38jhMikeSShowed full. Looks like it's topping off now
02:21:10Davide-NYCs/siply/display
02:22:30jhMikeSAll this stuff is new that came with it and the player like new. Think it was a good buy?
02:24:08preglowevery h1x0 bought is a good buy
02:25:25jhMikeS*L* true (unless nonfunctional) but this thing's shiny with the new DAP smell and an iRiver warranty.
02:27:39*Paul_the_Nerd agrees with preglow
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02:28:51*Davide-NYC agrees with preglow
02:32:14preglowi'm seriously thinking about getting another one if i can, they just don't make them like this anymore
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02:35:41jhMikeSmanual says approx. 3hrs from full discharge so I guess I shouldn't worry yet
02:37:39mechanoriwhy can't i find the last.fm log
02:37:41preglowbedtime
02:37:43preglowlat0rz
02:38:08mechanoridoes anyone know what directory it saves to?
02:39:48JdGordonanyone know how to get to the back of a car radio? i unscrewed the 4 screws which look like they hold the front face on.. but i couldnt pull anything apart :'(
02:40:24scorchemake/model
02:40:27scorche?
02:40:31JdGordonholden barina
02:40:59mechanorii'm assuming you're not asking me :(
02:41:04JdGordonnot sure what they are called overseas :p
02:41:12scorche...must be an aussie thing..
02:41:31JdGordonthe car is actually built in germany i tinhk :p
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02:41:42scorcheeither way, i have never heard of them =P
02:43:02JdGordonis daurn|afk a "car" person?
02:43:37scorchea lot of the radios seem to require some sort of wedging to pop open
02:43:40*scorche shrugs
02:44:15jhMikeSsometimes they have holes in the face that you have to insert a tool into :-\
02:44:32scorchenails work in those
02:44:52JdGordonu mean behind the screws?
02:44:55jhMikeSsometime requires a hammer but it works
02:45:01scorcheJdGordon: doubt it
02:45:20scorcheif you could find a picture online or something maybe..
02:45:47jhMikeSholden is a GM division in Australia
02:46:08jhMikeSif that was the Q about "overseas"
02:46:25scorchei figured as much
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02:47:18JdGordonah, its the opal corsa in europe... dunno what it is in usa
02:47:27jhMikeSThe sold the Monaro here as the GTO
02:47:29JdGordonno its not...
02:47:43JdGordonyeah, nice aussie car that one :)
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02:48:42*jhMikeS wishes Ford brought the Falcon here
02:50:53jhMikeSThe American can companies seems to sell all their nice V8 RWD/Manual cars overseas :(
02:52:13jhMikeScar companies even :P
02:53:00JdGordonthe internet sux... you can find heaps or guides how to open a damn ipod.. but not 1 showing how to get a car radio out :'(
02:53:06mechanorican anyone help me out with rockscrobbler?
02:53:15JdGordonwe can try
02:53:26jhMikeSprimacord
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02:53:46mechanorii turned it on in the settings menu, yet i can't find the file it's supposed to output
02:53:57JdGordondid u restart rockbox?>
02:54:01JdGordonfor some reason you have to
02:54:04mechanoriyes
02:54:24JdGordonit should be /scrobbler.log or something
02:54:31mechanoriin .rockbox?
02:54:35JdGordonhave u got the filetree only showing supported?
02:54:42JdGordonno in / i tinhk
02:54:42mechanorii'm browsing from a pc
02:55:05JdGordonumm... did u actually listen to any music?
02:55:10mechanoriyup!
02:55:12Soapscrobbler.log w/unix line endings
02:55:15mechanoriand i've restarted a couple of times too
02:55:26JdGordon.scrobbler.log
02:55:39jhMikeSrb has all thing things I've never tried. What is scrobbler?
02:55:43Soapuse something like notepad2 for windows to deal with them properly.
02:55:57mechanorii'm sorry, i don't understand
02:56:27SoapAudioscrobbler / last.fm is a web community which tracks all you listen to and makes recomendations, and provides custom radio channels based on your listening habits.
02:56:30Soapvery cool
02:56:45JdGordonpretty lame actully... but a nice addition :p
02:57:01mechanorii've never used it before
02:57:19mechanorii'm interested, but my player never seems to output anything i can put in this logscrobbler program
02:57:45mechanorido i have to change anything h300-side other than the yes or no to last.fm?
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02:59:43Soapthe more obscure your tastes, the better it seems to work, though
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03:00:01mechanorihave you had any luck with the plugin soap?
03:00:15SoapI use it every day.
03:00:53mechanoriwhere do you find the directory or the file it's supposed to output?
03:02:01Soapdid you turn it on in the menu? Hate to ask a stupid question.
03:02:09mechanorii think so!
03:02:21mechanorilast.fm in the playback menu, set it to yes, restart
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03:07:33mechanoriso am i missing anything soap?
03:07:50SoapI'm having connection issues
03:07:57Soapand haven't seen anything since my last question
03:08:03mechanori<mechanori> i think so!
03:08:03mechanori<mechanori> last.fm in the playback menu, set it to yes, restart
03:09:04Soapand you have played more than one song?
03:09:11mechanoriyes
03:09:33Soapand shutdown safely?
03:09:40mechanoriwhat do you mean by safely?
03:09:45Soapand the file is empty or is it not there at all?
03:10:08mechanorii don't see it, and i'm not sure where it should be
03:10:28Soapon windows, right?
03:10:36mechanoriright
03:11:23Soaphmm, I don't know.
03:11:53mechanoriwhere should i be looking, though
03:11:55mechanoriin the root?
03:12:34SoapIIRC
03:12:53Soapmy ipod is in my truck
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03:26:13jhMikeSooh done charging! :) *less anxiety now*
03:26:29Paul_the_NerdHehehe
03:30:32Davide-NYChow do I upgrade to make v3.81?
03:30:39Davide-NYCsome sort of apt-get command?
03:30:41lostlogic4/win6
03:30:46lostlogicmmm, yeah.
03:30:57Davide-NYCI'm using the VMWare debian image
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03:53:19jhMikeSthe firmware patcher is very particular about checking the correctness of things I expect?
03:53:39Paul_the_NerdIt compares the output with an md5 checksum, I believe
03:55:25jhMikeSguess that's pretty particular
03:55:57Paul_the_NerdWell statistically speaking it should be impossible for the patching to fail and the file still verify.
03:57:17jhMikeShow many bits? Impossible given the short life of the universe compared to the probability of a random match
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03:58:15Paul_the_NerdHeh
03:59:18Soapis there a rockbox group cloak?
03:59:38jhMikeSheh, brickless today
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04:00:00funky[03:59] <-> #rockbox linuxstb H 0 n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb [Dave Chapman]
04:00:07funkySoap: like this ?
04:00:41Soapahh, there is.
04:00:54Soapcan I beg and plead for one?
04:02:50*Paul_the_Nerd has no idea who gives 'em out.
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04:43:53Davide-NYCI hate to badger you guys but what is the procedure to update MAKE in a VMWare image?
04:44:16scorchebadger...hehe
04:44:52scorcheyou spelt it wrong
04:45:19scorchebtw, just an apt-get should be fine
04:48:11Paul_the_Nerdapt-get install what?
04:49:17JdGordonapt-get install make most probably
04:49:23JdGordonno scrtahc that...
04:49:27JdGordonto apt-get update
04:49:31JdGordonand apt-get upgrade
04:49:33Paul_the_NerdAh
04:49:38*Paul_the_Nerd is not familiar with apt-get at all
04:50:21scorcheif not apt-get, the sources are available at gnu.org
04:51:03JdGordonoh no! another talkative (byt hte looks of it) ipod user on the ml :'(
04:51:34Coldtoastsorry, why do you need to update MAKE?
04:51:51scorcheJdGordon: yeah...
04:52:24ColdtoastI thought the vmware image had evreything?
04:52:50Paul_the_NerdColdtoast: Because the vmware image does age with time. :-P
04:53:16Coldtoastthat may be the case... but it still has everything you need I thought
04:53:51scorchemake 3.80 still works
04:53:56Paul_the_NerdYeah, but that doesn't mean there aren't newer versions of the same things if you want them
04:54:12ColdtoastI think it's pointless worrying about it dude
04:54:19Coldtoastthere'a a LOT of stuff you could update
04:54:22Coldtoastnot just make
04:54:36Coldtoastif it ain't broke, don't fix it
04:54:58*Paul_the_Nerd goes back to using an abacus, and leaves the channel.
04:55:05Coldtoastoh well
04:55:18Coldtoastwhy not just install Edgy and get that set up then?
04:55:25Paul_the_NerdNo, but there are updates that I believe result in some sort of warning if you're using an old enough make, or something?
04:56:20scorchePaul_the_Nerd: yeah...one of amiconn's changes to the makefiles
04:56:33Paul_the_NerdSo, in some sense, it is slightly broke.
04:56:40Paul_the_NerdLike a wobby wheel that'll still get you there.
04:56:43Paul_the_Nerdwobbly
04:57:39Coldtoastso you worked out how to compile then?
04:58:05Coldtoastgot the album art patch working?
04:58:16Paul_the_NerdWho's that directed at?
04:58:21Coldtoastyou
04:58:37Coldtoastwasn';t that you yesterday?
04:58:37Paul_the_NerdOdd. I've been compiling a personal build of Rockbox for over a year now.
04:58:49Coldtoastah. ok. must have been somebody else obviously
04:58:51Paul_the_NerdYup
04:58:55Paul_the_NerdI don't even like album art. :)
04:59:21ColdtoastI like having the album art displayed a lot more than 50 useless (to me) stats
05:00
05:00:29Coldtoasthow utterly WEIRD tho that you've been compiling for over a year yet you have no idea how to use apt-get....
05:00:50Paul_the_NerdColdtoast: I started on Cygwin before the VMWare image existed.
05:00:50scorcheyou dont need apt-get to compile
05:01:02Davide-NYCapt-get is telling me that I already have the most updated veriosn
05:01:05Davide-NYC*version
05:01:06scorcheand there are a lot of other distros than debian
05:01:10Paul_the_NerdI downloaded the sources of GCC, binutils, etc, and configured them myself to build crosscompilers.
05:01:19Davide-NYCyet when I run make it tells me to upgrade
05:01:20Coldtoastyou don't... but I'd have thought you'd at least have run across it
05:01:37scorcheDavide-NYC: what tree are you searching on?
05:01:40Paul_the_NerdColdtoast: I've run across it, but I didn't know the package name for make, nor have I ever used it to update/upgrade.
05:01:42Coldtoastwhy not just run rockboxdev.sh in vmware?
05:01:45JdGordonDavide-NYC: its probably because the vmware image is useing stable debian which is almost never updated
05:01:47Davide-NYCscorche: no idea
05:01:52Coldtoastwon't that work?
05:02:08Davide-NYCok, so I should just ignore the update prompts
05:02:14*jhMikeS is suprised noone mentioned the spectral variation when moving in/out of the recording menu
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05:02:28JdGordonthe what?
05:02:31jhMikeSsimilar weirdness on x5 at 88.2
05:02:32Davide-NYCjhMikeS: huh?
05:03:02jhMikeSWhen jumping in and out of the recording menu with FMRadio, the frequency response will vary
05:03:12JdGordonif you say so :p
05:03:32Davide-NYCNo that you mention it I have noticed that
05:03:39Davide-NYCI thought it was just a level jump
05:03:46jhMikeSMost obvious at 44.1kHz. x5 does it at 88.2.
05:03:52Davide-NYCyou sure it's not just gain settings changing?
05:03:58scorcheDavide-NYC: either change to unstable (should be in there), or just get the sources and compile
05:04:24Davide-NYCscorche: I think you in advance: could you point me in the right direction?
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05:04:37jhMikeSIt's not. I'm not sure what to do about it for the players either or what causes it.
05:04:41Davide-NYCI've compiled RB but never something for linux
05:05:19JdGordon:'( looks like a biggish virus is going round atm... 6 virus emails in 10min to gmail
05:05:28jhMikeSOF might do it too but you'd never be able to move around fast enough to hear it so distinctly.
05:05:43ColdtoastDavide-NYC: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
05:05:55JdGordonplus the hundreds that go straight into my spam folder!
05:06:05Coldtoastthere's instructions from the wiki on building the cross compiler
05:06:46scorcheColdtoast: he isnt building the cross compiler
05:06:53scorchehe is trying to update make
05:07:12ColdtoastI thought that page had instructions on that too
05:07:20scorchenot make
05:07:23scorchegcc and such
05:07:34Davide-NYCotp
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05:09:34scorcheDavide-NYC: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/make/
05:11:21scorcheor, it appears that it is in the testing repository
05:11:28Davide-NYCOK I'm back
05:12:35Paul_the_NerdIf it's only in testing, that explains why it's not in the upgrade, I suppose
05:12:44Davide-NYCah,
05:12:58Davide-NYCwhy am I getting these prompts for me to upgrade then?
05:12:59scorchewell, you just change from stable to testing
05:13:16Davide-NYCdo I really want to do that being that I don;t really know what I am doing?
05:13:20Davide-NYC:-)
05:13:23Paul_the_NerdYou don't need to
05:13:33Davide-NYCyeah, I'm gonna chicken out of that one
05:13:41*scorche shrugs
05:14:54Davide-NYCscorche: you willing to help me through this if I have a prb? :-)
05:16:54scorchewell, i am off-and-on atm
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05:17:21Davide-NYCok, I've untarred/unzipped all of the files.
05:17:32Davide-NYCinto a folder in the root
05:17:34scorchebut edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add an entry for a testing repository
05:17:52scorche...or if you want to install from source...
05:17:53jhMikeSwhy do you need to untar anything?
05:18:08scorchejhMikeS: source
05:18:13Davide-NYCI DLed the make-3.81 source from FTP
05:18:15Paul_the_NerdWhere does this warning occur at, anywa?
05:18:17Paul_the_Nerdanyway
05:18:21Davide-NYCon make
05:18:28jhMikeSwmware?
05:18:34jhMikeSvmware
05:18:35Davide-NYCafter a make, a make install a make fullzip
05:18:41Davide-NYC(maybe not fullzip)
05:18:47Davide-NYCyes VMWare
05:18:56Paul_the_NerdAh, yes, make zip shows me
05:19:07Davide-NYCNot really a warning, more like a friendly suggestion
05:19:11Davide-NYC:-)
05:19:22Davide-NYCOK, so I su rott
05:19:25Davide-NYC*root
05:19:29Paul_the_NerdWhat is the command for configuring to use ccache?
05:19:32Davide-NYCI unzip everything
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05:19:47Davide-NYChow do I compile this grizzly beast?
05:19:49jhMikeSI didn't have to make anything
05:22:10jhMikeSI'm trying to remember/find the simple command to just make debian update itself
05:22:24Paul_the_Nerdapt-get update, apt-get upgrade worked for me.
05:22:38scorcheapt-get -u dist-upgrade
05:22:38jhMikeSyes
05:22:59Paul_the_NerdHm, what's the slowest build, anyone know?
05:23:02jhMikeSI had a sticky point where it wanted to replace the running kernel I said no
05:24:48Davide-NYCscorche: I ran that command it completed without upgrading anything
05:25:14scorcheDavide-NYC: because you are still in stable
05:25:19Davide-NYCI'm now perusing the debian documentation and I see something called netselect
05:26:22scorcheif you want the debian docs, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
05:26:27scorchego to 3.8
05:26:32Davide-NYCOK editing sources.list
05:26:38Davide-NYCwhat must I nsert?
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05:27:01Paul_the_Nerd"This Apt has Super Cow Powers"?
05:27:08Davide-NYCLOL
05:27:14Paul_the_NerdWhat the heck does THAT mean?
05:27:46Myipodsorry,is anyone doing the serial/usb port driver?
05:27:58Davide-NYCPaul_the_Nerd: where do you see that?
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05:28:13Paul_the_NerdDavide-NYC: Type apt-get -h
05:28:15Paul_the_NerdIt's the last line
05:28:46scorcheDavide-NYC: deb Http://debian.internet.gr/debian testing main
05:28:52Davide-NYCthanks
05:29:11Davide-NYCanywhere in the file, or does it need to go someplace specific?
05:29:47scorchejust put it at the end
05:31:05Davide-NYCwow this is some super cow fanciness!
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05:31:44Davide-NYCI am running apt-get update
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05:32:39Davide-NYCMy nephew is going to give me his 3G ipod. Is it true that currently most files do not run in realtime?
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05:35:09pagefaulthcs, spc plugin is almost done
05:35:14pagefaultpatch tomorrow I think
05:35:30hcspagefault: awesome!
05:35:54Davide-NYCspc?
05:36:10Paul_the_Nerdpagefault: About damn time. ;)
05:36:20pagefaultI think my implementation sucks
05:36:29pagefaultbut you guys can be the judge
05:36:32hcswe can then simply end the world, as there can be no greater human accomplishment
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05:36:55Davide-NYC"South Park, Colorado"
05:37:02gilkeshey
05:37:03*JdGordon wonders why a canned fruit company needs a plugin
05:37:05pagefaultI made it a plugin rather than a codec
05:37:07Paul_the_Nerdpagefault: Implementation how?
05:37:09Paul_the_NerdOh
05:37:09pagefaultit was easier
05:37:14Paul_the_NerdWell, someone can adapt it, at least.
05:37:18pagefaultyeah
05:37:22Paul_the_NerdMidi is still a plugin at the moment too
05:37:23pagefaultthe codec thing just confused me too much
05:37:25gilkescould someone give me a hand real quick
05:37:30gilkesit's simple as
05:37:35pagefaultyou just select a spc file and open with the plugin
05:37:36pagefaultand it plays
05:37:46gilkesi'm trying to access the cvs
05:37:48gilkeswhich is fine
05:37:53hcsI'll take a crack at the conversion, as I've done two codecs at this point and should be moderately competent.
05:37:57gilkesand i want to check out just the tools directory
05:38:13gilkesi keep getting cvs [checkout aborted]: unrecognized auth response from www.rockbox.org: cvs [pserver aborted]: /cvsroot/rockbox/tools: no such repository
05:38:31gilkesi'm sure thats the correct directroy becuase i viewed the cvs already
05:38:34Davide-NYCspc = SpchComp Encoded Speech/Audio?
05:38:57pagefaultsnes music
05:38:59hcsDavide-NYC: JdGordon: spc is a save state of the SNES audio hardware, essentially emulated audio (like sid, nsf)
05:39:11Davide-NYCthanks
05:39:20JdGordonah
05:39:24Davide-NYC"Super NES Music/Audio Data"
05:39:29gilkesfine, just ignore me
05:39:43Davide-NYCgilkes: I do not know the answer.
05:39:49gilkesok
05:39:54gilkesthanks anyway
05:39:59pagefaultit's very basic
05:40:00Paul_the_Nerdgilkes: I'm not sure if you can just check out tools as it is.
05:40:07pagefaultbut it works
05:40:09gilkesoh dang
05:40:22hcswhat does SPC stand for, anyway? Sony-Something-Something?
05:40:40pagefaultsound processor cpu
05:40:47gilkesall i wanted was to run the rdf2binary
05:40:52pagefaultI think
05:40:54pagefaultwho knows
05:40:56gilkesbut i think i need to compile tools to get it to work
05:41:00pagefaultit could also be sony processor core
05:41:10hcsI know it's just labeled "SMP" on the chip
05:41:12pagefaultsince it was sony who made it
05:41:18Paul_the_Nerdgilkes: You can download just the .c file for it directly by the viewcvs script.
05:41:24gilkesi know
05:41:30gilkesi just don;t know how to run it
05:41:36Paul_the_NerdYou have to compile it.
05:41:45gilkesso i figured it would be easier to get the whole directory and run make
05:41:47pagefaultthe SPC is just the CPU part of it
05:41:51pagefaultthere is the S-DSP as well
05:41:54pagefaultwhich the CPU feeds
05:41:58pagefaultthats what makes the noise
05:42:02scorchecvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel/tools should work
05:42:02gilkesi opened it in Xcode but i was a bit out of my league
05:42:17Paul_the_Nerdgilkes: I think doing that will actually result in you getting a message telling you to run Make from your build directory
05:42:26gilkesi see
05:42:32*Paul_the_Nerd can't remember for sure
05:42:37gilkesso is it esy too compile a single c file
05:42:46gilkesi have basic terminal knowledge
05:42:47gilkeskinda
05:43:05hcspagefault: yeah, I can see the S-SMP on the board, the S-DSP, and the actual D/A converter, just wondering why it's known as the SPC700 when it isn't labeled anything like that...
05:43:30pagefaultwell SPC700 is what it was called in the dev docs
05:43:33hcsah
05:43:33Paul_the_NerdJust feed it to gcc and provide it an appropriate name for the output file, I believe.
05:43:34pagefaultthats why it was always called that
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05:43:48pagefaultthere is a SPC7110 on a cart as well
05:43:53pagefaultbut it's not related to sound at all
05:44:09hcsmade by Sony?
05:44:12scorchegilkes: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxDictionary
05:44:14pagefaultmade by ricoh
05:44:18pagefaultit does decompression of graphics
05:44:20hcsbah, there goes that theory
05:44:46pagefaultalthough it has the epson logo on the chip
05:44:58pagefaultso I think it's epson myself because it has a RTC chip on the game as well
05:45:00gilkes"4. Execute the rdf2binary tool, it will output dict.desc and dict.index"
05:45:02pagefaultand epson is owned by seiko
05:45:09gilkesit's not included
05:45:20Davide-NYCOh boy. This is probably becoming very debian specific. But after running "apt-get update" and "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" I now have to chose "locales"
05:45:32scorchegilkes: look up a step...
05:45:42pagefaultricoh pretty much made the entire NES
05:45:54pagefaultnintendo just put their name on it :P
05:45:59gilkesi have completed that step
05:46:03scorcheDavide-NYC: sounds like it is going to change the kernel...
05:46:11Davide-NYCis that scary?
05:46:13Davide-NYClol
05:46:17gilkesit gave me dict.preparsed
05:46:19scorchewait till the message =)
05:46:21gilkes18.3MB
05:47:00Davide-NYCscorche: it's asking me to choose an interface
05:47:10Paul_the_NerdJust go with the defaults.
05:47:19*Paul_the_Nerd just went through trying that
05:47:19Davide-NYCDialog, Readline, Gnome, KDE
05:47:25Davide-NYCOK
05:47:44scorcheeek....gnome and kde?....we are still in vmware right? =P
05:47:47Paul_the_NerdWhat's really funny is after all that you're still running Make 3.80 :)
05:47:59Davide-NYCYes yes
05:48:00Paul_the_Nerdscorche: It's asking what format the upgrade should present queries to the user in.
05:48:09Davide-NYCmy windows machine is still a windows machine
05:48:11scorcheah
05:48:23Davide-NYCI'm actually laughing right now
05:48:53pagefaultanyway my H10 totally dies on the SPC when I turn on the EQ
05:49:12Davide-NYCupgrading glibc
05:49:16pagefaultipod users will probably have better luck
05:49:27gilkesdude
05:49:33gilkesi think i did it on my ouwn
05:49:35gilkesi rule
05:49:49Davide-NYCgilkes: cool
05:50:06hcspagefault: are you resampling to 44100hz in the program or letting the playback code do it?
05:50:14pagefaultI am letting the playback code do it
05:50:19gilkesno i didn't
05:50:32gilkesi chucked the file in a new C++ xcode project
05:50:35pagefaultno point resampling twice
05:50:36gilkesran build
05:50:42gilkesand tried to run the resulting binary
05:50:46gilkesbut it didn;lt work
05:51:02hcspagefault: yeah, does it sound alright? I was hearing lousy results with 32khz mp3s
05:51:08Davide-NYCscorche: this is really scary! I've never seen so much scolling text in my life!
05:51:10pagefaultit sounds ok
05:51:16pagefaultit's certainly not the fault of the lib
05:51:22pagefaultbut hopefully someone will find out whats up with it
05:51:41scorcheDavide-NYC: actually, do this...they can probably explain it a lot better than i could...ask #debian how to upgrade to make 3.81 =P
05:51:57Davide-NYCthanks
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05:52:58Paul_the_Nerdpagefault: The EQ tends to hinder playback on ARM targets anyway
05:53:05pagefaultwhen that new nano is cracked maybe someone can start UAE support rofl
05:53:17pagefaultyou're going to need a lot of power to play those
05:54:51pagefaultit sucks app the good psf libs are closed source
05:55:45hcspagefault: btw, so that I can get a better idea of "tomorrow", what time zone are you in?
05:56:01pagefaultEST
05:56:09hcsah, ok, me too
05:56:15gilkesok so i have the rdf2binary.c file, do i just put it in xcode and press compile?
05:56:19Paul_the_NerdSo, 4 minuts.
05:56:21Paul_the_Nerdminutes.
05:56:34pagefaultshould be done by tomorrow
05:56:39pagefaultif not then the next day
05:56:47pagefaultI got lots of crap from work to do
05:58:07Davide-NYCscorche: everything broken now. LOL
05:58:16Davide-NYCROTFLMAO
05:58:41scorchewhat do you mean?
05:59:28pagefaultas the DNF people like to say "it will be done when it's done"
05:59:35gilkesplease
05:59:43gilkesthats all i need to know
05:59:49gilkesi'm sure it's pretty simple
05:59:49hcsindeed, a rockbox motto, as well
05:59:51pagefaultbut I hope to actually release sometime
06:00
06:00:07Davide-NYCmake is dead due to some perl error and after restart I only get the command prompt
06:00:14jhMikeSDavide-NYC: wtf? how?
06:00:15Davide-NYChhe
06:00:26Davide-NYCI dunno anything about linux, that's how
06:00:27scorchewhat is your runlevel?
06:00:29pagefaultright now I am trying to track down a nasty memory leak
06:00:34Davide-NYCIt's like giving a chimp an AK-47
06:00:41Davide-NYCloaded
06:00:43jhMikeSmake sure your an admin
06:00:45pagefaultplaying spc's for more than 10 minutes will crash the player
06:00:47hcsugh, I think that resampling has actually become worse lately...
06:00:58Davide-NYCI su'ed an all
06:01:02Davide-NYCsu root
06:01:06Davide-NYCrockbox
06:01:16Davide-NYCno worries
06:01:18jhMikeSI'm always just running root on that
06:01:26Davide-NYCI just would like my samba drive back
06:01:54Davide-NYCI guess I could FTP my two files somewhere
06:01:57Davide-NYC:-P
06:02:12scorcheDavide-NYC: you might want to re-download the rockbo image and start over
06:02:22scorcheespeically since i have no idead what you did =P
06:02:25jhMikeShrrmph
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06:03:03Davide-NYCyeah
06:03:09myzarrawr
06:03:12Davide-NYCI can;t stop laughing!
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06:03:40SpeedforneedIs the Wiki down, or is it just me?
06:03:52scorchei have an old computer that i use to kill linux on =)
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06:04:07scorcheSpeedforneed: just you
06:04:42SpeedforneedI'm getting a blank page on 2 different PCs.
06:04:47*jhMikeS seconds that
06:04:51scorcheon the same network?
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06:04:55SpeedforneedWell..
06:04:56SpeedforneedI was.
06:04:59SpeedforneedIt's fixed now.
06:05:03scorcheof course...
06:05:16hcssunspots
06:05:37jhMikeShehe...It's just past devil's night here
06:05:41gilkesscorche Speedforneed Davide-NYC hcs jhMikes | Can you please ust give me a clue as to how o compile and run a single .c file!
06:06:01jhMikeSgcc <file> -o <output file>
06:06:08Davide-NYC^^
06:06:11gilkesthanks
06:07:15gilkesyeya
06:07:17gilkesit worked
06:07:20gilkescheers brother
06:07:21gilkess
06:07:27gilkessee you on the ictionary side
06:09:19Davide-NYCI have a command line here and I'm trying to zip my patches into a single file to upload to my ftp
06:09:25jhMikeSseems to take the H120 a while to decide it's charged. Battery voltage seemed quite alright.
06:09:42Davide-NYCthe green light eventually turns off
06:09:47Davide-NYCeventually
06:09:51jhMikeS..................................eventually.....................................
06:10:17jhMikeSIt did, then I used it and it's charging again
06:10:18Davide-NYCwhat is the archive utility of choice
06:10:24Davide-NYCgzip?
06:11:41jhMikeSuse tar and you can filter through gzip
06:12:19jhMikeSI guess...says so with tar −−help
06:15:47Davide-NYCyay! PATCHES SENT
06:15:50Davide-NYCoops
06:15:53Davide-NYCsorry for caps
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06:16:51scorcheyou will be...
06:18:39Davide-NYCgood night all
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06:42:03MyipodHi,everyone,the serial/usb port driver doesn't work on ipod5g,right?
06:42:48hcsit just reboots into disk mode when connected
06:44:24Myipoddo you mean usb port? how about the serial port now?
06:45:00hcsyes, I mean usb, I don't think anything is done with the serial port
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06:45:55DeefHmm
06:46:01DeefJust got a h340
06:46:05DeefRockpaint crashed it
06:46:06BHSPitLappycongrats
06:46:10DeefCan't turn it off
06:46:20BHSPitLappybattery -> remove ?
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06:46:39DeefThat would involve opening it up right
06:47:01Paul_the_NerdReset pinhole?
06:47:15DeefAH yeah
06:47:33DeefWill that mean I have to reinstall the bootloader or firmware?
06:48:04scorchenope
06:48:12Deefgoodo
06:48:15DeefJust got to find a pin now
06:48:33scorchepreferably something less sharp =)
06:48:53Myipodoh,thanks hcs,do you know,whether the address of serial port on ipod5g is as same as ipod3g's, or not?
06:49:22hcsMyipod: no idea
06:50:01DeefThanks, that worked
06:51:06Myipodoh
06:51:40*Paul_the_Nerd usually blunts a wooden toothpick on something, for use.
06:52:27DeefNow
06:52:51DeefThis h340 pdf for rockbox, in the plugins section..
06:53:15DeefSays "Most of them can be started from BROWSE PLUGINS in the MAIN MENU"
06:53:32DeefI can't find anything that says browse plugins
06:54:01Paul_the_NerdThen you're not in the main menu.
06:54:07Paul_the_NerdFrom the filetree *tap* A-B
06:54:17newbyx86Is '$' a valid character in a file name on an NTFS filesystem?
06:54:18Paul_the_NerdAssuming the mappings for buttons match on the H300 series
06:54:22newbyx86I know it's valid on ext3. But I don't think it is in Windows.
06:54:24Deefahhh
06:54:24Deeflol
06:54:32DeefI'd discovered what holding A-B did
06:54:35DeefDidn't try tapping hehe
06:54:43Myipoddoes anyone get the PP50xx' detailed datasheet?
06:55:09scorchePP doesnt release datasheets
06:57:28Myipodscorche: do yo know which PP processor is used on ipod3g?
06:58:06scorche5002
06:58:26Paul_the_NerdMyipod: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Generations
06:59:15Myipodso,do you know who has the details of 5002?
06:59:29BagderMyipod: PortalPlayer does
06:59:40Bagdernot many others
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07:00:16Bagdereverything in ipl and Rockbox have been done without such info
07:00:43BHSPitLappyanyone who knows specifically also likely signed a NDA along with it...
07:02:34Myipodoh,how do the ipodlinux/rockbox's devps get 3g works,including serial port,...but not for 5g?
07:03:08Bagderthey've left that work for you
07:03:36Myipod^-^
07:08:53Myipoddoes anyone know,whether the JTAG pins has connected out from the chip? where?
07:08:58BHSPitLappybecause 1-3G's are crude, primitive pieces of electronic circuitry
07:13:22Myipodyou mean,it could be easy to test and debug on 1-3G,but difficult on 5G?
07:14:10BHSPitLappyyes.
07:15:27BHSPitLappyif somebody could have figured out the 4G+ dock ports by now, it would be done. questioning the fact that it isn't complete doesn't really help anyone, so get over it or solve it yourself
07:15:51BHSPitLappy</snippy>
07:15:53Paul_the_NerdBHSPitLappy: Your statement implies that it's impossible.
07:16:03BHSPitLappyPaul_the_Nerd, doesn't it ever :)
07:16:19Paul_the_NerdIt could just be that other things are still more important for most people?
07:16:46BHSPitLappythe statement was really meant to imply that skilled people have indeed tried, and that it's not a matter of needing someone to stimulate progress by complaining
07:17:22BHSPitLappylike "Oh, we never realized this could be USEFUL! Why, here you go! *commit*"
07:17:29Paul_the_NerdHahaha
07:17:33BHSPitLappy"Thanks for bringing it to our attention!"
07:17:42Paul_the_NerdWell it's not like the serial port is particularly core to what Rockbox cares about either.
07:18:09BHSPitLappydoes rockbox not care about making a replacement firmware? odd, I've been misled...
07:18:16Paul_the_NerdI said *core*
07:18:24Paul_the_NerdRockbox focuses on music related things first.
07:18:33Paul_the_NerdAnd then things 'in the box' as it were.
07:19:11hcs1) Rock 2) Box
07:19:32BHSPitLappyI think having the firmware able to do the most basic and necessary functions on its own (like that whole, PC connectivity thing?) without depending on eeprom Diskmode, is sort of core in the philosophy
07:19:53Paul_the_NerdBHSPitLappy: That's USB functionality though, different from what is commonly referred to as the serial port.
07:19:53BHSPitLappyright now, it's not justifiably "self-sufficient" on an iPod
07:19:57BHSPitLappyah
07:20:04BHSPitLappywell, I've been lumping the terminology
07:20:07BHSPitLappyapologies
07:20:15Paul_the_NerdAh, I'd been mentally considering them separate.
07:20:23BHSPitLappyunderstood
07:20:26Paul_the_NerdSerial being that which is used for remotes and other crap. :)
07:20:31BHSPitLappyright
07:20:47BHSPitLappywell, I would think that mastery of one would be associated with the other
07:21:12BHSPitLappyas far as some breakthrough/revelation coming along and helping both functions become realized
07:21:23BHSPitLappythough that might not be the case at all :)
07:21:33Paul_the_NerdWho really knows, 'eh? :)
07:21:49Paul_the_NerdWell, don't say "Some Apple Engineers"
07:25:33BHSPitLappyheh
07:25:54BHSPitLappynah, some portalplayer coders
07:27:02Paul_the_NerdI bet there are some familiar people at Apple
07:31:33Myipodnow,i want to know,whether i am able to connect a JTAG to the pcb of 5G,if i open the shell?
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07:31:56TyronemaskellBig question
07:32:09JdGordonthats a staement actually...
07:32:18Tyronemaskelllol
07:32:26Paul_the_NerdMyipod: Your best bet is to try to find scans of it and see if you can identify. Honestly a lot of the hardware-related work was done over at iPL
07:32:59Tyronemaskellwhy cant rockbox use .WMA
07:33:33Tyronemaskelldoes anyone know a good free converter
07:34:21Paul_the_NerdTyronemaskell: Nobody has finished converting a usable WMA codec
07:34:42Deefcrashed again
07:34:45Deefrecording radio
07:34:55Tyronemaskello ok
07:35:06Tyronemaskelldoes anyone know a good free converter
07:36:26DeefThe upside-down feature is the best thing heh
07:36:47DeefSo many handheld devices make my hands sore from being too small
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07:39:44MyipodPaul_the_Nerd: how do you debug the code,if without JTAG and serial and usb firewire...and so on,...?
07:45:08Tyronemaskellanyone ?
07:45:12Tyronemaskelldoes anyone know a good free converter
07:45:25Tyronemaskellthat being wma - mp3 ?
07:46:00JdGordonMyipod: depending on the bug, but output to the screen and using the simulator are the usual ways
07:46:01Paul_the_NerdTyronemaskell: Foobar2000, dBPowerAmp.
07:46:08Tyronemaskellmost that i have used do 3 files then my pc shutsdown lol
07:46:09Paul_the_NerdMyipod: As well as log files.
07:48:29Myipodok,thanks Paul_the_NerD,which simulator do you usually use? do you have a link for download?
07:48:56Paul_the_NerdMyipod: The Simulator. As in, simulator buids.
07:48:58Paul_the_Nerdbuilds
07:50:18Myipodoh,...thanks
07:52:28DeefTwo questions: 1. How can I run shinier GUIs for rockbox? 2. Where should I store GB roms to play them with Rockboy?
07:52:48JdGordonget a theme from the wiki
07:52:50JdGordonand anywhere
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07:53:09Deefrockboy has a browser of some sort?
07:53:15JdGordonno
07:53:25JdGordonyou dont load the roms through rockboy
07:53:35Deefoh
07:53:39JdGordonhave u read or even skimme the manual?
07:53:45Deefyes
07:53:55Deefah yeah heh
07:53:59Deef2nd line on the wiki
07:54:09Deefskimming is skimming
07:54:30DeefThanks
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09:34:31DerPhilhi, i haven't found it in the faq. when i run ipodpatcher 2 (which is my ipod) it says "Error reading from disk: Wrong parameter" What am I doing wrong?
09:35:08DerPhilsomeone here to help me?
09:35:27*LinusN doesn't know much about ipod
09:35:37DerPhil:(
09:35:43DerPhili think it
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09:35:50DerPhilis something with my windows
09:36:14LinusNdoes it show up as a drive letter?
09:36:20DerPhilyes
09:36:31DerPhileverything like it should be
09:36:47jhMikeSoy...there's some lockup business with prerecording only (as far as I can tell) on the iRiver. rrrr...can't figure why.
09:37:11LinusNjhMikeS: :-(
09:37:24LinusNjhMikeS: got your h120?
09:37:31DerPhilso you dont know what to do with my ipod?
09:37:32jhMikeSYup...very nice
09:37:43LinusNDerPhil: no, sorry
09:38:00DerPhilsomeone here who can help me
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09:40:39LinusNDerPhil: do you have admin right on your computer?
09:40:52DerPhilof xourse, its my computer :D
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09:42:29LinusNDerPhil: which ipod model?
09:42:36DerPhil5g
09:42:41DerPhilvideo
09:42:47DerPhilbaught in america
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09:44:49LinusNDerPhil: is it brand new?
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09:45:06DerPhilin which way?
09:45:14LinusNis it the 80gb model?
09:45:31DerPhil30
09:46:00DerPhiloh damn irt
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09:46:14DerPhilbye and thx anyway
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09:55:02JdGordonwho is the ifp7xx guy?
09:55:23Bagderhe's... tomal, the ifp7xx guy!
09:55:35Bagder:-)
09:55:45JdGordonand not in here..
09:55:47JdGordon?
09:55:54Bagderno, he's not here very often
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09:56:28Teknomancerhmm
09:56:41Teknomanceri have an iMp400 .. been a while since i used it :)
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09:58:29Kasperleipodloader2 gets a "hardware revision" number from somwhere and outputs it before entering its OS selection menu. I want to make a list of iPod generation vs. hw revision number. If anyone uses ipodloader2 with their ipods, please /msg me the hw rev number and what generation their ipod is, i want to make a list and can't seem to find any info like that on the net
09:59:04BagderI don't think it gets that from the hw
09:59:12Kasperlehrm. well starting a long sentence and then editing it again without apparantly failed me, but you get the idea ;)
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09:59:54jhMikeSmmmm...latte
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10:01:23KasperleBagder: it seems to read that info from some fixed point in the iPods memory
10:02:34Bagderbut is that really HW revision and not just PP revision?
10:03:14Kasperlei have no idea, really. information is scarce and the code is not too documented.
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10:04:33Kasperleif anyone would like to compare, on my 5.5g it outputs a hardware revsion number of 0x000b0011
10:05:53*JdGordon is bored....
10:06:25JdGordoncan i cut up some of the files in firmware and move them into TT? i.e kernel.c?
10:06:39Kasperle(i'm wondering whether that hw rev would be a valid way to distinguish 5g from 5.5g iPods)
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10:09:48jhMikeSI'm not bored, is ticked...need to figure why the H120 is locking within 15s sometimes during prerecord and prerecord does nothing special. >:[
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10:11:05pondlifejhMikeS: Try this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6259
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10:13:16JdGordonis there a problem with the cvs server?
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10:13:29JdGordonhmm.. aparently not..
10:13:45JdGordon_something_ odd is happening on my comp :'(
10:14:08jhMikeSNot enough time for overflows and prerecord is allowed to "overflow". That takes almost 3 minutes with 44.1kHz Stereo WAV.
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10:18:29peturjhMikeS: I thought the pcm buffer was much smaller and in the range of the time you're experiencing
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10:18:58peturand if the dma handler detects an overflow it should stop, not crash
10:20:05JdGordonis battery_bench the only plugin which uses plugin_tsr?
10:20:34jhMikeSThat shouldn't lock only on pre then because I made 6 minute recordings with np. The encoders are doing exactly the same thing during pre as during record.
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10:21:54jhMikeSOnly time dma is "parked" in one spot is if there's no prerecord ticks. Keeps the encoders empty and idle.
10:22:26LinusNJdGordon: no, i believe the alpine_cdc plugin uses it too
10:22:43JdGordonLinusN: yeah, just did a search, they are the only two
10:23:13jhMikeSAnd why only on the H120 and not x5? I can let it pre all day on the x5 :-\
10:23:22JdGordoncan a plugin be re-entered if its called plugin_tsr and exited?
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10:23:58JdGordonlooking at the plugin_load code, it looks like it cant be?
10:24:51*jhMikeS wonders why plugin.c should contain all those header includes when plugin.h has most of them. Or was I imagining?
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10:27:25LinusNjhMikeS: x5 has 16mbytes and h120 has 32, maybe that has something to do with it?
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10:31:49jhMikeSCould be but things _should_ be independent of that. The lockup is WAY sooner than having any overflow or anything. Why only prerecord. Nothing special about that state at all. Probably some little dumb mistake or something subtle somewhere but my head is spinning. :)
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10:34:16LinusNcould it be about boosting? or not protecting i2c access?
10:36:43jhMikeSwas thinking about that but can't find it. maybe boosting. maybe the problem is the recording screen itself.
10:37:10LinusNagc?
10:37:22jhMikeSI tried it turned off it still happened
10:37:53jhMikeSMore tests...need to get myself a remote to watch the logf live
10:39:20JdGordondoes changing a functions return type and parameter list in the plugin api mean the version needs to be bumped?
10:39:48LinusNJdGordon: yes
10:39:55JdGordondamn, ok
10:40:24jhMikeSheh...why would someone do this?: strcpy(filename, "");
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10:41:15LinusNinstead of filename[0] = '\0' ? :-)
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10:41:36jhMikeSyeah
10:41:38LinusNodd
10:42:47jhMikeSThey do this in the other branch: filename[12]='\0';
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10:44:08JdGordonthere is no way a loaded plugin can know its filename is there?
10:44:19jhMikeSI'm thinking instead of just saying "Prerecording..." it should display how much prerecord is available.
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10:45:59linuxstb_Kasperle: I collected that info here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodHardwareInfo
10:46:12linuxstb_(under model comparison)
10:47:01linuxstb_It's read from flash - memory address 0x00002084.
10:47:49jhMikeSThe H120 doesn't have a nice panic shutdown like the x5? Always reset button?
10:49:22JdGordondoes anyone not like the idea of allowing a tsr plugin to not allow another plugin to be loaded and continue running, or drop the user back to the file tre?
10:50:41linuxstb_Is the current behaviour to kill the TSR plugin?
10:51:00JdGordonwell, to go into the exit callback, wait for it to exit and then load the new plugin
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10:51:39jhMikeShmmm...It might be agc...it's prerecording and lock so far. Maybe it wasn't off before.
10:51:48jhMikeSno lock even
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10:59:47JdGordonit works :)
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11:01:01jhMikeSThat's so weird. It's not doing it now. I did it many times. wtf? The transistors must be breakin time.
11:01:25jhMikeSneed breakin time rather :P
11:07:00jhMikeSooh...it did it again...but during a stop. the bl is not turning off now so things must be pretty locked.
11:08:52amiconnJdGordon: If you change a function call in the plugin api in an incompatible way, you not only need to bump PLUGIN_API_VERSION but also PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION, rendering the api incompatible with older plugins
11:09:17amiconnAnd if you do this you're also in charge of sorting the api, as the comment states
11:09:21JdGordonamiconn: yeah, i wasnt sure if just doing that change made it incompatible
11:10:38JdGordonsweet, this works :)
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11:14:04JdGordon... well almost
11:14:30daurn|laptopJdGordon: you doing anything for NY?
11:14:53JdGordon2 months away... i dunno
11:15:08JdGordonhopefully ill be overseas, but i dubt it
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11:19:05LinusNjhMikeS: iirc, Play should restart in panic mode
11:19:20peturyes it does
11:20:13amiconnJdGordon: I don't especially like the idea that a tsr plugin may refuse to terminate, but_if_ we allow this, it would be probably easiest to give the exit_tsr function a boolean return value
11:20:43amiconnThe function is called in main thread context, so it could display a request or whatever, and return true if it's okay to unload
11:20:57*petur wonders why the harddisk always spins up on shutdown, even when you didn't really do or change anything
11:21:56JdGordonamiconn: ive got it returning PLUGIN_OK if it allows another plugin to load, and anything else to not
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11:22:26JdGordonit also changes it to have a bool parameter so the plugin knows if it is being re-entered, or another plugin is going to load
11:23:19jhMikeSLinusN: re: the reset?
11:23:46LinusNyes
11:25:36Slasheripetur: if you run rockbox from flash then dircache and tagcache states are hibernated to disk on shutdown. Otherwise probably just settings are saved
11:25:56amiconnJdGordon: Why re-entered? If exit_tsr returns false, the plugin doesn't exit at all
11:26:07amiconn(as I think it should work)
11:26:36peturSlasheri: running from disk, and if nothing is changed, nothing should be written *calls for dirty flag*
11:26:58JdGordonamiconn: no, i mean, if the user tryed to load the runnig plugin again, or another one
11:27:32jhMikeScould the combo of DMA and IRAM be a problem? DMA is accessing a variable with IDATA_ATTR.
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11:30:43LinusNjhMikeS: iram and dma is a no-no, since not all iram is dma-capable
11:32:26amiconnLinusN: core iram is dma capable (on X5 after iram size balancing between core & codecs)
11:33:20LinusNamiconn: yes, but that is more of a coincidence, isn't it?
11:33:47amiconnJdGordon: That's exactly what I mean
11:34:12amiconnIn case a user tries to load another plugin while a tsr plugin is running, the plugin loader first calls exit_tsr
11:34:13jhMikeShmmm...wouldn't that just lock it the first time if in the wrong bank?
11:34:29LinusNi dunno
11:34:43amiconn_if_ we want a tsr plugin to stop unloading itself, exit_tsr should return a bool
11:35:03amiconnIf that bool is false, exit_tsr would _not_ unload the tsr plugin, and the loader would stop there
11:35:36JdGordonamiconn: yeah i think we are agreeing with eachother.. and im not being clear
11:35:49JdGordonthats exactly whats happening..
11:36:13amiconnSo what does the _plugin_ need to know?
11:36:24jhMikeSamiconn: well, the lock doesn't happen on x5 but on the H120
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11:36:43uskihi :)
11:36:57JdGordonwheather or not it is being reloaded or not, it may want to do 2 different things depending on if it is being reloaded or if its being kicked out
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11:40:24jhMikeSand the lock keeps the backlight from shutting off so it's not a simple failure to yield thing
11:42:14*jhMikeS will stop bugging everyone about and keep headbanging ;)
11:43:38Bagderbtw, I guess you noticed I fixed the cvs build error parsing script to also detect make errors
11:44:04JdGordonso now there is 2 errors because of rombox
11:44:07LinusNkewl
11:44:36Bagderyeps, the rombox failures now count as two
11:45:02jhMikeSI got tripped-up on that on my last commit if that's what was going on
11:45:10Bagderperhaps not entirelly correct, but I don't think the exact count is the important issue here
11:50:09JdGordonyay, patch ready, anyone wanna look at it?
11:50:48Teknomancerrockbox hung 3 times today :(
11:50:56Teknomancerneed to upgrade i think
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11:54:49pondlifeThe playback code to update the progress bar at the end of a track is using a valid prev_ti, but it's pointing to data that has already been cleared.
11:55:07pondlifeDon't suppose that could be causing any hangs?
11:57:14jhMikeSthings are looking promising for removing the IDATA_ATTR from the callback pointer...*anxous waiting*
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12:04:56jhMikeSstill running fine for 6min
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12:07:25Phil`awayhey is now someone here who can help me with my ipod?
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12:09:13JdGordonalrighty then... unless there ae objections, im commiting...
12:09:38LinusNJdGordon: what are you working on?
12:09:57jhMikeSJdGordon: what?
12:10:11JdGordonmaking tsr plugins choose weather or not they can be unloaded
12:10:20LinusNah, i see
12:10:22JdGordonmy english tonight sucks :p
12:10:22Phil`awayhelp: when i run ipodpatcher 2 (which is my ipod) it says "Error reading from disk: Wrong parameter" What am I doing wrong?
12:10:29Teknomancerrockbox uses SVN or CVS ?
12:10:31LinusNi have no objections
12:10:31jhMikeScan we coose to unloadthem manually?
12:10:35LinusNTeknomancer: cvs
12:10:38Teknomancerok
12:11:18jhMikeS13min and still no lock
12:11:25LinusNnice
12:11:31JdGordonjhMikeS: its up to the plugin, I've changed battery bench to ask the user f he wants to cancel the test if he tries loading another plugin
12:12:21jhMikeSI guess the var ended up in the wrong IRAM
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12:13:02DerPhilhelp please
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12:16:44jhMikeShmm...still going
12:18:22jhMikeShow are the IRAM banks chosen? where should I look for that info?
12:19:29LinusNthe iram banks aren't chosen
12:19:54LinusNthe iram consists of two parts, and only one of them is dma capable
12:20:07LinusNit's in the data sheet
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12:20:42LinusNsection 6 - static ram in MCF5249UM
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12:22:31jhMikeSLinusN: yes. I read that in the datasheet. But i'm wondering how it's all alotted during comiling/linking.
12:22:50LinusNjhMikeS: it isn't - we treat the iram as one single chunk
12:23:29LinusNJdGordon: why didn't you include the parameter name in the prototype?
12:23:52JdGordoni didnt? oops, ill fix that
12:24:15jhMikeShmmm...isn't there some way of putting certain things in a certain bank or _could_ there be?
12:24:22JdGordonLinusN: where?
12:25:06LinusNplugin.c: +static bool (*pfn_tsr_exit)(bool) = NULL; /* TSR exit callback */
12:25:27JdGordonoh, ok
12:25:34JdGordonis that really important?
12:25:41LinusNbattery_bench.c: +bool exit_tsr(bool);
12:25:52LinusNno, it's not important, but it is good practice
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12:26:55DerPhilis there normally a autorun.ini or whatever it is called on an ipod?
12:27:00DerPhilwinpod
12:28:01LinusNno
12:28:06jhMikeShad to be it...it's been prerecording for a 1/2hr
12:28:14LinusNjhMikeS: good
12:30:11DerPhilisnt there someone who may help me?
12:32:06jhMikeSif someone knows the answer they most likely will, just wait it out :)
12:34:05pondlifeJdGordon: Did you see red..?
12:34:10JdGordoni did
12:34:11JdGordonfixing
12:34:15JdGordonbloody player!
12:34:54JdGordonall green again
12:35:29JdGordonwell... in 2 runs time
12:36:01pondlife2?
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12:36:13JdGordonin the middle of a build now
12:36:20JdGordonso at the end of the next one..
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12:44:02jhMikeSDerPhil: Best I can give you ATM is that it can't read a file from your drive (looking at source code)
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12:47:41jhMikeSpre for almost 50min and no lock...think it's safe to call it solved since before it took about 15sec :)
12:51:39DerPhilwhat?
12:52:18jhMikeSDerPhil: I guess it's not able to read the physical drive of your player.
12:52:29DerPhilyes but why?
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12:52:58DerPhilmy player is in disk mode and i can browse it with the Windows Browser
12:54:01jhMikeSHmmm...make sure nothing else is reading it. What Windows?
12:54:09DerPhilxp pro
12:54:20DerPhili shut down itunes and the ipodservice.exe
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12:54:28jhMikeSTry closing Explorer. It's a long shot.
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12:55:42DerPhil[INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive2
12:55:43DerPhilError reading from disk: Falscher Parameter.
12:58:29LinusNJdGordon: rb->lcd_puts_scroll(0, 2, "Anything else will resume");
12:58:45LinusNthis will not be visible on the player, but i guess you knew that?
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12:59:43JdGordonLinusN: yeah, but the rest of the text is clear enough, so its ok...
12:59:48jhMikeShmmm...I don't have an iPod but I'm guessing something's not right with the drive or something. Maybe formatted with the wrong sector size.
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13:00:08LinusNJdGordon: you could move that line inside the #ifdef
13:00:51DerPhili think i cant change sector size on fat32, can i?
13:01:18jhMikeSIt says it should be 512 in the source
13:01:56DerPhildo you know truecrypt?
13:02:53preglowoooh, snow
13:03:19DerPhili can see my harddisks there and it says: Harddisk 2: \Device\Harddisk2\Partition1 27,9 GB Empty/unused
13:04:38DerPhilor is that normal and it is just because there's an own system running on it?
13:06:28jhMikeSnot sure what you mean. Harddisk 2 is the player, correct?
13:10:44*Genre9mp3 is jealous of preglow
13:10:56*petur wants snow too
13:12:30jhMikeSDerPhil: you're using truecrypt on the iPod?!?
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13:16:24DerPhiljhMikeS lol no but when i select the device which is encrypted i see all my harddisks and the ipod is listed there tpp
13:16:25DerPhiltoo
13:16:45DerPhilbut i know the prob now: i think i have a 5.5g ipod which isnt supported yet
13:17:20DerPhilis there any other os for the ipod except ipodlinux? because ipl also doesnt support 5.5g
13:18:48jhMikeSretailos of course
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13:19:22swissDiurnambuleHi everybod. I got the "freezing" bug with ipod photo. After random time, the ipod blocks itself. Sometimes I have "data abort" message... I saw some information about a cpufreq patch but dou you know something about that ?
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13:26:18jhMikeS...ok...then there's still the frequency response glitch the tlv and uda get when switching about...ahh I'll shut up and just work
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13:27:42Genre9mp3petur: I don't quite understand your post in the forums :P
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13:39:42jhMikeSWait, DMA compatible IRAM means DMA tranfers can write/read it but what's that got to do with accessing an IRAM variable from the DMA interrupt routine?
13:40:38DerPhilwhere can i get retailos and is it good?
13:41:30jhMikeS*lol* Retail OS :) Original firmware.
13:41:48DerPhilomg
13:41:49DerPhil:D
13:41:56DerPhilyou are very funny^^
13:42:31jhMikeSretailos is commonly used here for OF
13:42:50JdGordonaccording to google, only us and ipl use tha t term :p
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13:45:30DerPhilanyway ipod wizard doesnt find my ipod like all the other programs
13:45:41DerPhilitunes is the only program finding my ipod
13:46:13DerPhildamn 5.5g
13:46:47*JdGordon wonders if DerPhil knows rockbox doesnt support the 5.5g
13:47:51peturGenre9mp3: I wanted to say that it really doesn't matter alot which OF you patch if you're going to use rockbox. And the korean isn't easy to understand if you load OF the first time ;)
13:48:56DerPhilyeah after a few hours of trying i read it
13:49:03DerPhilbut ipodwizard should support 5.5g
13:50:31jhMikeSIsn't 5.5g the one with the sectore size issue?
13:50:42JdGordonamong other thingd
13:50:58Genre9mp3petur: Sure... I was just quoting Davide-NYC about DRM (which btw it's bless to get rid) and that if the op has the US fw he has to upgrade to another fw before patching Rockbox... to quote myself "I think Korean is the best choice but who cares?" ;)
13:52:19LinusNjhMikeS: you wrote "could the combo of DMA and IRAM be a problem? DMA is accessing a variable with IDATA_ATTR."
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13:52:51jhMikeSLinusN: I yes, I wrote something else. What's that gotta do with accessing it in the ISR?
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13:53:40jhMikeSwondering if MCLK could be glitching too even if set to its current value
13:53:42peturGenre9mp3: I still wonder where he said he has a US version.
13:56:18LinusNjhMikeS: possibly
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13:56:48Genre9mp3petur: he didn't
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13:57:04Genre9mp3Davide-NYC just pointed out that if he has, he'll lose DRM, and I just said that either way he has to lose DRM
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13:57:52jhMikeSsomething's giving the codecs a headache sometimes
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14:01:00Genre9mp3petur: Maybe I didn't clarify well the hypothetic part on my post but anyways..
14:01:17Genre9mp3..who cares about RetailOS? ;)
14:01:28peturindeed :)
14:02:01Genre9mp3hehe... and the statement will be 100% true when you implement that USBOTG driver! :P
14:02:26Genre9mp3after that we will ready to flash' em!
14:02:30Genre9mp3:)
14:02:48peturyeah... progress is being made: a whole week with more rockbox time :)
14:03:00Genre9mp3nice to hear :)
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14:04:37Genre9mp3petur: btw, you still have plans for streaming audio via USB? (in the future of course)
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14:05:19peturdon't know. I didn't port the printer and audio class drivers yet, only hid and storage
14:05:51peturstill need to get the stack running first
14:06:02Genre9mp3sure...
14:06:13Genre9mp3just want to point you this: http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/index.php?redir=http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_info.php?input[product_code]=MU-EDIUA1D&input[category_id]=1387
14:06:38peturit's no longer crashing at startup, but the otg driver says he's not getting his interrupts...
14:07:37peturI bet you'll still need to write a separate driver for gear like that
14:07:59Genre9mp3seperate driver? why?
14:08:28Genre9mp3It's supposed to recieve/send digital audio
14:09:18peturmaybe it's more complicated if it contains extra features? I haven't looked into usb audio so I'm just guessing
14:09:48Genre9mp3no... it has no extra features
14:10:18Genre9mp3just converts a usb port (commonly used in dacs) to s/pdif
14:10:54peturyou want spdif on h3x0 :)
14:10:55Genre9mp3It's not supposed to work with PC either... so no special drivers and stuff
14:11:06Genre9mp3yup! :)
14:11:44peturwell excuse me if I first try to get it working with devices I have here (being mass-storage)
14:12:23Genre9mp3well... of course... I want to mount my external 250GB hard disk first, too
14:12:57Genre9mp3the crappy retailOS doesn't recognise it
14:13:12Genre9mp3and even if it did... I would be able to just copy files
14:14:05Genre9mp3and even if it could actually mount.. I don't use retailOS heh
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14:17:38peturI just want to access the other memorycards in my multicard-reader
14:17:58Genre9mp3hub class?
14:18:23peturthere's a hub class driver too, yes
14:19:03Genre9mp3I suppose this is what multicard readers use, no?
14:19:14peturI have no idea
14:19:30peturI get the feeling I will learn it
14:20:05*Genre9mp3 crosses fingers
14:20:27Genre9mp3the last major thing that the H300 ports needs... :)
14:21:13Genre9mp3port
14:22:47Genre9mp3oh... and a new bootloader that charges too :)
14:23:23Genre9mp3and hopefully will work here on Bootloader USB mode :/
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14:35:24peturbah... the scrobbler plugin of foobar sucks. if you seek back to the start of a song and let it play completely, it refuses to submit: 'seeking detected'
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14:42:34preglowyeah, it's always been rather sucky
14:42:40preglowweird they haven't fixed it
14:43:26Genre9mp3how rockbox's scrobbler work on that?
14:43:49Genre9mp3I'll check the wiki
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14:46:26Genre9mp3"track must have been listened to for more than 50% of its length."
14:46:36Genre9mp3this explains it I guess
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14:51:43peturnot quite: I listened to the song 120% (I seeked back to the beginning after half a minute). Just seeking is enough to disqualify
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14:56:24Genre9mp3petur: with rockbox's scrobbler too?
14:56:48peturno idea - don't have my iriver with me today
14:59:15Genre9mp3according to the wiki an entry to be scrobbled (sic) just needs 50% of the length, valid album/track tags and bigger than 30 sec
14:59:21Genre9mp3^with Rockbox that is
14:59:33peturseems about right
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15:00:05Genre9mp3foobar uploads the log directly on last.fm?
15:00:29peturyes
15:00:53Genre9mp3eeeewww... lack of privacy
15:01:01peturvia foo_audioscrobbler
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15:01:31Genre9mp3I don't use it to tell you the truth
15:01:46peturyou still need to configure it to make it do that
15:02:14Genre9mp3I use 0.8.x I guess it's not supported on that
15:02:22amiconnHmm, JdGordon isn't around....
15:02:45*petur scrobbles from 3 places: SlimDevices (home), foobar (work), rockbox (anywhere else) :)
15:02:59Genre9mp3petur: Hmmm... Red Hot Chili Peppers! :P
15:03:01amiconnLinusN, JdGordon: Not only will a line with lcd_puts_scroll(0, 2, ....) be invisible, it would even crash the player
15:03:08Genre9mp3^lack of privacy I was refering
15:03:33peturGenre9mp3: guess what my fav band is :D
15:03:40LinusNamiconn: oh, i didn't know
15:03:56peturGenre9mp3: 0.8.3 here
15:04:03Genre9mp3petur: De Mens? :P
15:04:14petur:D :D :D
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15:04:31Genre9mp3never listened to them
15:04:32amiconnLinusN: I had crashes because of this with lamed's version of splash() ...
15:04:43LinusNouch
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15:05:30Genre9mp3the stats are nice though (in last.fm)
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15:05:43amiconnOuch indeed
15:06:00amiconnThe player code doesn't clip, unlike the bitmap code
15:06:10*amiconn thinks it should
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15:13:14peturoh
15:13:20linuxstb??
15:13:47barrywardellsansa
15:13:47preglowis it lego?
15:13:53barrywardelle280 :)
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15:14:38peturpreglow: legoblox?
15:14:45linuxstbThose Sansas are getting popular...
15:14:52preglowpetur: would rock..
15:15:20Genre9mp3I think this is the first 8GB one, right?
15:15:41barrywardellyes
15:15:45barrywardell8GB
15:15:50barrywardellit's nice
15:16:11*Genre9mp3 waits for the 8GB MMCs to be available :P
15:16:54preglowwill our ongoing port work on it?
15:17:47amiconnGenre9mp3: At least 2 manufacturers have annouced them, or may even have it available
15:18:03barrywardelli'm gonna test the rockbox bootloader on it
15:18:08amiconnIt's only a matter of time that they become available at stores
15:18:21Genre9mp3amiconn: I know about Samsung only, who else?
15:18:39amiconnSamsung and Microdia
15:18:46Genre9mp3nice...
15:19:07*amiconn is itching to implement MMC4.2 support
15:19:15Genre9mp3:D
15:19:23Genre9mp3I wonder about their price...
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15:21:10barrywardellcan i update the firmware on linux?
15:23:36preglowtime to go hunting for christmas beers
15:24:56Genre9mp3omg.. Christmas... isn't a bit early for that?
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15:28:48amiconnGenre9mp3: http://www.microdia.com/ebiz/jsp/site/product_details.jsp?ccode=000003100011100&pcode=216
15:30:35Genre9mp3amiconn: I was there just a min ago! :)
15:31:09preglowGenre9mp3: all christmas stuff comes out around now here, yay consumers
15:32:17Genre9mp3the Christmas habits here in Greece starts from december
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15:32:30Genre9mp3I guess this is too late for the rest Europe standards
15:32:54amiconnImho it _should_ start in december, or end ov november
15:33:18amiconnBut shops here sometimes start offering christmas stuff mid-september (!)
15:33:51Genre9mp3heh.. I was in Berlin in early November and it was a bit weird for me (the Christmas atmosphere)
15:36:09preglowshould definitely start december
15:36:28preglowbut when it comes to beer, i'm not strong enough to withstand it, so need to buy some
15:36:31preglowheh
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15:37:03Genre9mp3Beer is for all the year! not just Christmas :P
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15:37:20Genre9mp3and for me... especially summer time
15:37:32*petur can't stand all the triggering :p
15:38:09Genre9mp3petur: you don't miss any opportunity to get triggered! :P
15:38:36*petur will get seriously triggered tonight
15:39:08preglowthe christmas beers are the only really decent beers the big brewers in norway make too
15:39:10peturalways go for some beers after badminton on tuesdays :)
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15:40:10Genre9mp3badminton?
15:40:17Genre9mp3you play or watch?
15:40:21peturplay
15:40:33Genre9mp3very weird sport...
15:40:41peturit's an excuse to have some beers afterwards
15:40:49Genre9mp3haha
15:41:03preglowweird?
15:41:07preglowi like it, it's fun
15:41:07Genre9mp3I was working on the badminton venue on 2004 olympics btw
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15:42:38Genre9mp3I was directly triggered to beers! No need to watch first! :P
15:42:49preglowshuttlecock, now there's a word for you
15:43:31Genre9mp3preglow: I have one here! souvenir :)
15:43:48preglowi don't even know what they're called in norwegian, heh
15:44:45Genre9mp3ball with feathers?
15:44:48Genre9mp3heh
15:44:49preglowhmm, yeah
15:44:52preglowactually it is
15:44:55preglowfjærball
15:44:56preglowhaha
15:44:57Genre9mp3I know
15:45:12Genre9mp3weird chars on my screen
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15:46:38pondlifejhMikeS: Are you planning a commit to resolve the IRAM/DMA lockup?
15:49:00pondlifeOr is it just part of your monster patch?
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16:21:11jhMikeSpondlife: I think I got the lockup for record but there's another where entering recording when radio is already playing on H120 (H300?)
16:21:46jhMikeSpondlife: are you saying there's already a problem in the current CVS with that?
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16:22:09pondlifeI've had an intermittent lockup when leaving recording
16:22:25pondlifeProbably unrelated.
16:23:03jhMikeSThis was happening in just 15sec sometimes but I changed things and ran it for an hour
16:25:32jhMikeSI'm gonna give a big rethink on how things are handled with setting up interrupts for DMA. Masking doesn't follow the datasheet's explicit instructions for instance.
16:27:50pondlifeAny idea roughly how long before you'll be committing this stuff? I won't bother investigating it, am sticking to playback.
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16:30:32jhMikeSI don't know. Was hoping real soon. I need to get some zzzz's first. :P
16:34:01jhMikeSIf you're working playback.c, See FS #5747 re: the PCM playback though iPods didn't seem to suffer it.
16:35:39pondlife5747 is as intended really, it could be better, but it's not really a bug.
16:36:04pondlifeThe whole audio pause is at the wrong place, the PCM buffer should still be usable in paused state
16:36:28pondlifeI can do an easy "fix", but it adds quite a lot of latency to pause, so is not good.
16:36:30jhMikeSIf you skip to a new song while, the one you left should continue to play remaining data?
16:36:49pondlifeYes, with the current structure.
16:36:52jhMikeSwhile paused
16:37:06pondlifeA flush could be added, but that'd just be a bodge
16:37:17pondlifeBetter to make the pause work properly
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16:37:38jhMikeSnah, just use pcm_play_stop first and the remaining DMA tranfer will be cancelled
16:37:52pondlifeI'm more interested in the bugs where memory gets screwed and things crash.
16:38:19jhMikeSLike when codecs fail? That never recovers quite right.
16:38:23pondlifeYep
16:38:51pondlifeOr changing some settings (e.g. crossfade) during playback...
16:39:07pondlifeSeems to work at the time, but odd things happen later, until you reset.
16:39:22jhMikeSI don't even know where in playback.c you explicily know that the user changed tracks.
16:39:55pondlifeAnywhere that track_changed is set. There are too many of those in there too!
16:40:17jhMikeSThat doesn't apply to say shuffled playback?
16:42:20jhMikeSok, dumb question )
16:44:45pondlifeI still think playback.c is over-complicated. ;)
16:44:51jhMikeSyes the PCM buffer should be simply resumed if no skip was done during pause
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16:45:30jhMikeSme too. needs a really big straightening out IMHO
16:45:46pondlifeThe bigger problem is to make voice work while music is paused.
16:46:04pondlifei.e. let PCM carry on while the audio codec is paused
16:46:51amiconnThe pcm buffer is split into blocks, correct?
16:46:56pondlifeYes
16:46:58jhMikeSThat's kind of a low level problem. Would actually require saving the state at pause time and restoring it.
16:47:07amiconnWhat about always pausing on a block boundary?
16:47:50pondlifeI'm not very knowledgeable on the PCM stuff yet... can you explain how that helps?
16:47:51jhMikeSNeed smaller blocks and more callbacks then or it's too coarse.
16:47:59amiconnThis way the problem how to deal with voice during pause would become a lot easier to solve
16:48:31pondlife?
16:49:11pondlifePause = stop at the end of the current block. But we still need to insert "voice blocks"...
16:49:18jhMikeSYes, a DMA tranfer would always be completed when pause is complete and not left in the middle.
16:49:24amiconnWell, if pcm playback always plays complete blocks, pausing main playback would just stop feeding blocks
16:49:52amiconnpcm playback would go on until all blocks are consumed. New blocks arriving (e.g. voice) would make it start again
16:50:02pondlifeIt should do, but the user gets increased latency - pressing pause would not stop music immediately.
16:50:17pondlifeCurrently it's pretty quick.
16:50:27amiconnWell, if a block is around 0.1 ... 0.2seconds, I doubt it would be noticeable
16:50:41jhMikeSI'm also wondering about some things re: the fact that everythings a line transfer. Are all block a multiple of 16 bytes?
16:50:56amiconn?
16:51:37pondlifeCurrently we have already buffered quite a few blocks from playback -> PCM. Voice can't be inserted, only appended.
16:52:30pondlifeCurrently, that is!
16:52:39amiconnOf course we need 2 queues
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16:53:26amiconnOr rather, one main queue that can be stopped immediately before the blocks are fed to the dma.
16:53:27jhMikeS DCR0 = DMA_INT | DMA_EEXT | DMA_CS | DMA_AA | DMA_SINC | (3 << 20) | DMA_START; <- 16 bytes transfers, no?
16:53:58amiconnAt that point, the voice blocks would either be mixed in, or transferred straight if main pcm is paused/stopped
16:55:25pondlifeWe do need 2 queues. That also helps with voice responsiveness.
16:56:25amiconnjhMikeS: Nope. Only SSIZE is line, and DSIZE is longword
16:56:42jhMikeSvoice blocks should go through the dsp so the sample rate doesn't have to be switched just to play a voice clip during pause.
16:56:55amiconnCheck how the DMA Auto-Align feature works
16:58:49jhMikeSThe value 3 << 20 is line for both fields
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16:59:20amiconnjhMikeS: no it isn't
16:59:35jhMikeSor rather 3 << 17 for DSIZE
16:59:49pondlifeHmm, all this talk of DMA is not the level I think at. Mind you, I'd rather use C++ for playback.
16:59:53amiconnYe, but there is no (3<<17)
16:59:53*pondlife is a heretic
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17:00:06amiconnurgh
17:00:14*amiconn tries to stay away from oo
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17:00:25peturooooooooo
17:00:38webguest09hi everybody
17:00:53amiconnSomehow oo coding contradicts my way of thinking
17:01:00jhMikeSok...then I don't understand it correctly. It can transfer it different sizes for source and dest then
17:01:15pondlifeI normally avoid oo too, but some places - buffers and queues - can do with their interfaces tightening
17:01:19amiconnjhMikeS: I repeat: Check out how DMA auto-align works...
17:01:28jhMikeSlooking...
17:02:23webguest09can someone help please? the hebrew lang is not working on my X5...
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17:11:01bluebrotherOT: does somebody know of a way reading the SPD-EEPROM contents using linux?
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17:13:17webguest65hey guys, can someone help please? the hebrew on my X5 is jibrish. what do i do?
17:13:41bluebrotherwebguest65, are you using a suitable font?
17:16:17webguest65i don't know, i installed yesterday's build and didn't change fonts at all
17:16:32jhMikeSthink I need to pause, stop my voice and tranfer a complete block in to my head to get things done =)
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17:19:06jhMikeStime for some zzzz
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17:22:39linuxstbwebguest70: You probably also need to download the fonts zip file and extract the contents to your player - it's on the daily builds page. Then select a new font via the Browse Fonts menu option.
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17:23:47webguest70thanks man,
17:24:00bluebrotherI don't think the default font has hebrew glyphs. Try unifont
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17:43:55pondlifelostlogic: around? I have another queue overflow that's not dependent on button maps :)
17:44:13pondlifeJust enable or disable crossfade during playback.
17:44:35pondlifeThere's a flood of unprocessed Q_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFERs
17:44:45preglowhow'd that queue debugging turn out? as bad as it first seemed?
17:44:57pondlifeNo, it's not too bad
17:45:03pondlifeBut it has revealed some fun
17:45:10preglowbut you got a queue overflow from sneezing when you first tried it...
17:45:58pondlifeYes, I think that was my config. Not sure what was up, but since I reloaded a config it has generally been fine. Would like to know why it was so touchy before still...
17:46:15pondlifeThis one panics the sim too, easy to repro
17:46:29pondlifeOr maybe it only panics the sim...?
17:47:21preglowif it does, it should be fixed anyway
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17:50:34lostlogicpondlife: hmmmm
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17:50:50lostlogicpondlife: so this is if you try to change crossfade setting during buffer fill?
17:51:10lostlogicpondlife: otherwise, what would crossfade have to do with it?
17:51:18pondlifeYes, just enabling or disabling. Probably the same issue as the shutdown, as a buffer size change stops and re-inits playback
17:51:30lostlogicoh, that.
17:51:43lostlogicwell clearly our shutdown sequence is effed
17:52:03pondlifeYup.
17:52:15pondlifeWe shouldn't be asking for more data at that point.
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17:53:19lostlogicthe problem is that codec shutdown is triggered after the buffer is empty or somesuch
17:56:10pondlifeA similar case to the one lowlight fixed at the natural end of playback?
17:56:16lostlogicyar
17:56:32pondlifei.e. Could a revised fix cover all three situations?
17:56:38lostlogicI would spect so
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17:57:14pondlifeI've got a weird bug here. Pause during the last track in an album and then skip to the track start - it starts playing...
17:57:44pondlifeBut remains in pause mode
17:57:53pondlifeI can't believe this has been in there long..!
17:58:53pondlifeAh, any track at all - just pause then skip to the track start.
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18:08:29lowlightpondlife: I think maybe having a "filling_queued" variable might be necessary so that only one fill buffer request gets queued.
18:09:15pondlifeShouldn't be necessary if we get the rest right.
18:09:35pondlifeI'd rather only add more globals if we can't fix it any other way.
18:09:43lowlighteven if the queue didn't overflow it's silly to waste the time processing a dozen unnecessary requests
18:09:48pondlife(Says he who just put another global in.)
18:10:08pondlifeTrue, but we should see if we can fix it nicely first. Then add that as an optimisation.
18:13:11lowlightSeems like you can either check if the queue is full in queue_post or check if you really need to queue in the first place.
18:13:42lowlightDoes anything else cause queue overflows?
18:13:58*amiconn spots lowlight :)
18:14:26*lowlight waves
18:14:59lowlightThanks for committing the gwps stuff :)
18:15:07amiconnlowlight: It would be really nice if you would come up with a few more code-saving ideas like the one I committed...
18:15:39pondlifeHmm, the SDL stuff doesn't behave like the target....
18:15:46*lowlight looks in his bag of tricks
18:15:55pondlifepcm_play_stop always cancels PCM pause mode
18:16:22pondlifeThat's not good, and not true on the target.
18:16:39lostlogicpondlife: someone broke something witht he seek_complete callback
18:16:52lostlogicit should never unpause if a manual pause was in place when the seek started, only if it was an automatic pause
18:17:30pondlifeThat's not the problem here
18:17:48pondlifeThis is a sim-only issue. It works fine on H340 target.
18:17:56lostlogicoh, sorry, didn't see those last two lines
18:17:57lostlogic:)
18:18:08pondlifeLook at sdl_dma_stop() for a laugh.
18:18:21pondlife SDL_PauseAudio(1);
18:18:21pondlife pcm_paused = false;
18:18:42pondlifeElsewhere we assume that stop doesn't cancel pause.
18:18:58lostlogicas for the queueing stuff −− there's no real cost to processing the extra fill buffers if they are _legit_ fill requests −− ie the buffer really is low and the buffer really should be filling and isn't, the overhead is basically 2-3 levels of return and 2-3 levels of calls to get right back to where it was
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18:21:29pondlifeOnly the audio thread can decide whether we're already filling, otherwise race conditions may be introduced.
18:22:28lostlogicpondlife: nobody else can set it
18:22:31lostlogicbut anyone else can read it
18:23:43pondlifeYes, but they may read it at the wrong point in time, i.e. it's just been cleared.
18:24:03pondlifeAnd decide not to fill, although filling is no longer in progress but new filling is needed.
18:24:16pondlifeIt would probably recover soon enough, but it's not right.
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18:24:48lowlightamiconn: I have a note-to-self to figure out why wps_state.current_track_path[] is necessary when it's just copied from wps_state.id3.path.
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18:40:56DeefI find I'm undecided about whether I prefer Rockbox, or the iRiver 1.30 firmware
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18:43:19Genre9mp3Deef: Well, why worry? you have both
18:43:29Deefyeah
18:43:35DeefStill getting used to either
18:43:41DeefOnly had it a day
18:44:08DeefI'm still in the "Do I tap A-B then press Navi and hold record?"
18:44:22Genre9mp3this is natural
18:44:28Deef"Or is that hold Navi, press AB and select record mode"
18:44:32Deefhehe
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18:44:46Genre9mp3I use Rockbox since January... and never go back ;)
18:44:49DeefHere's one that's bugging me actually
18:45:02DeefIf I'm playing a song in Rockbox, and I press Navi
18:45:04Davide-NYCAnyone care to remove a bug report from flyspry?
18:45:15Davide-NYChttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5869
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18:45:21Davide-NYCno longer relevant
18:46:05Genre9mp3Deef: you get to the file browser... what bothers you with that?
18:46:20Deefsorry
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18:46:27DeefHow do I get back to the playing screen
18:46:30Deefwithout restarting the song
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18:47:13Genre9mp3press play
18:47:22lowlightDeef: play returns to the wps.
18:47:22Deef...
18:47:26Deef>_<
18:47:39DeefI must have assumed I'd tried it and it paused it
18:49:04nlsDavide-NYC, done
18:49:26DeefI feel like it would be more intuitive if Navi toggled the playing screen/browser
18:49:31Davide-NYCthanks
18:49:45DeefI dunno
18:49:57DeefNot in a place to haggle about the interface yet
18:50:13Genre9mp3Deef: NAVI goes a level down in file browser or selects a file
18:50:27Deefyeah
18:51:08DeefI know it all makes sense when you see it the right way
18:51:13nlsDeef, don't worry basically everyone that tries rockbox has "it's ugly" or some request for the ui, you'll get used to it
18:51:21Deefyeah heh
18:51:42DeefI guess everyone says they want to write their own WPS too
18:52:01Genre9mp3Actually this happens with any firmware/program/ui/enviroment etc.
18:52:26nlsMany people do make their own WPS I made mine, it's not difficult. :)
18:52:45Deefcool
18:53:20Davide-NYCanyone feeling bold enough to make a long overdue font deletion?
18:53:22DeefStrange that the stop button is more often pause than stop
18:53:28nlsyay only 940 open tasks in flyspray, we'll easily hit 1k before 2k7 :-P
18:53:45Deeflol
18:53:47Davide-NYCnls, you have CVS priveledges?
18:53:54nlsDeef, I do...
18:53:55Davide-NYCwnat to commit a deletion?
18:54:02Davide-NYC:-) !!!
18:54:12Davide-NYChttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6031
18:54:13nlswhat?
18:54:33Davide-NYCit's horrible. It's broken. It's not worth fixing.
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18:54:46nlswhy not?
18:54:47Davide-NYCI don;t think it works on any target.
18:55:00Davide-NYCbecause we have other large fonts.
18:55:18DeefDoes Rockbox have crossfading?
18:55:23nlsyep
18:55:42nlsDavide-NYC, I'm not sure, don't want to mess with that stuff...
18:55:59Davide-NYCWho has the guts?
18:56:01DeefI can find crossfeeding
18:56:05DeefBut not crossfading
18:56:08Davide-NYCI have been trying to clean this up for months
18:56:14Davide-NYCit makes RB look bad
18:56:28nlsIf you fix it I'll commit ;-)
18:56:37Genre9mp3Deef, A very helpful link for you to start with: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-build.html
18:56:40Davide-NYCWhat if I just DELETE
18:56:45Davide-NYClol
18:56:51Deefoh
18:56:56Deeffound the fading
18:57:07Deefty Genre
18:57:32Deefah I have the pdf
18:57:36DeefJust not open atm
18:57:40Deefbut point taken
18:57:47Genre9mp3;)
18:58:12Davide-NYCUrghh, I guess we have to live with a little garbage in the house. Stinking away in the corner. Rotting and smelling up the place. ;-)
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19:03:39Deefgweh
19:03:42Deefcrashed
19:03:47Deef4th time today
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19:04:11nlsDeef, what did you do? ,h300?
19:04:23Deef340
19:04:39Deef*nods*
19:04:48Deef*and awaits comforting advice*
19:05:03nlsbut what did you do?
19:05:22Deefoh, the h300 was a typo?
19:05:46nlsno, but I wonder what you did to crash it.
19:06:09DeefJust then I was skipping back through tracks
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19:06:47Deef*shrugs*
19:06:54DeefI've been messing with it alot
19:07:02Deefone crash in Rockpaint, one with recording I think
19:07:18Deefcan't remember the third
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19:07:56*Deef wonders why there is a repeat shuffle option
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19:08:13nlsyeah, playback/recording is in a *being under heavy maintenance* state right now and is a little unstable :-)
19:08:20nlsto repeat shuffle?
19:08:39Deefbut there's shuffle
19:09:02nlsshuffle != random (each file is played once)
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19:09:09DeefYou can turn shuffle off, but repeat shuffle on
19:12:30nlsIt's all in the manual
19:12:35Genre9mp3Deef: Again... the manual has all the answers for you
19:12:43Deef...
19:12:43Genre9mp3for instance: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-920007.1
19:12:48DeefIt only says shuffle shuffles
19:13:03Deefand repeat shuffle shuffles, then repeats
19:13:13nlsrepeat shuffle Shuffle.
19:13:13nls When the current directory or playlist has finished playing, it will be shuffled and then repeated.
19:13:27DeefI understand what they do
19:13:40DeefI'm questioning the logic in having two shuffles
19:14:01Kasperlelinuxstb_: awesome, thanks
19:14:18Deefshuffle on + repeat on = repeat shuffle, like any other audio player
19:14:39DeefHow is the actual "repeat shuffle" not redundant
19:15:58Genre9mp3Deef: the repeat shuffle's logic is that the first time you have no shuffle but the tracks are re-organised in the list every time you play them again
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19:15:59nlsHmm. idk either someone had a good reason to do this or it was overlooked... (maybe a code save opportunity for amiconn :-P)
19:16:15nlsor that
19:16:54Genre9mp3Repeat shuffle actually does what it says... it shuffles after a repeat
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19:17:21Deefoh I see
19:17:25DeefOk
19:17:47DeefOne of the smaller features
19:17:49Deeflol
19:18:52Pajama-BI need to get the correct power supply for the h100, i don't want to fry it like I did last time, but the ebay description says..
19:19:04linuxstb_Kasperle: That must be the longest ever gap between answer and response... :)
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19:19:25Pajama-BInput: 110v~240v for USA Europe Asia 110v or 220v
19:19:34Pajama-Bso how does that work?
19:21:56Kasperlelinuxstb: hehe. not quite ;) my irc client is running all the time on some remote box, i often use it for asynchronous communication ;)
19:22:14Genre9mp3Pajama-B: This is the input specs.. .you get one depending where you live
19:22:56Pajama-Bthe one we got is from Korea so it has a 220 v charger
19:23:16Genre9mp3Pajama-B: You want the exact specs for the H100 charger?
19:23:23Pajama-Byeah
19:23:28Genre9mp3wait a min
19:24:07Genre9mp3http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=345941&postcount=1
19:24:15linuxstbKasperle: It's just that you answered as if I had responded a few minutes ago, not 9 hours ago... Does your interest mean you're hacking away at the 5.5g?
19:25:28Kasperlelinuxstb: only very little. i should be studying for an important exam atm, so I'm just prodding around, not doing any serious work. :/
19:25:58linuxstbDo you have the 30GB or 80GB?
19:26:04Kasperle30 GB
19:26:15Pajama-Bcould i use some kind of adapter?
19:26:29linuxstbKasperle: You'll have an easier time of it then...
19:26:35Genre9mp3Pajama-B: yes
19:26:43Kasperlelinuxstb: so i've heard
19:27:22Genre9mp3Pajama-B: As long as the charger has that specs in the link I gave you you won't have any problems
19:28:01Genre9mp3Pajama-B: I bought my H300 from a store in UK, they have completely different plugs than here so I used an adapter
19:28:18Pajama-Bwhat about in Korea?
19:28:20Pajama-Blol
19:28:51Kasperlelinuxstb: unfortunately kalthare's patch for the bootloader doesn't work for me. that's why i'm hacking away at ipod loader2 in the first place
19:28:56Genre9mp3the fact taht matters is what the charger outputs to your player
19:29:50Pajama-Byeah
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19:33:00Pajama-Bradio shack should have these?
19:33:24Genre9mp3Pajama-B: Btw, keep your H100 away from Nokia chargers... they fit and they are notorious for burning poor little irivers
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19:34:20Pajama-Bi got some cable on ebay that had usb on it, and you put the regular usb into this wall thing
19:34:29Pajama-Bbut i think that's what broke it
19:34:53Pajama-Band it would get really hot
19:34:54Genre9mp3Don't know about Radio-shack.. but you can go even to a local store and ask for a charger with the specs I gave you
19:35:18Pajama-Ball we have here is radio shack. radio shack didn't have it
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19:35:35Pajama-Bthey had something similar, i think that could have messed it up too
19:35:45Genre9mp3DC power plug: 3mm x 1.35mm / polarity: -(+ / voltage: 5v max / amps: 2 amp max
19:35:48Genre9mp3^that's what you need
19:35:50Pajama-Bit gets really really hot
19:36:16Deefcrashed again
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19:36:36Pajama-BIt comes with the korean charger
19:36:50Pajama-Bso i should just get an adapter
19:36:53Genre9mp3Deef: I see you 're having fun! :P
19:37:08Deefyeah heh
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19:37:28Genre9mp3Pajama-B: The one you have is the official one but Korean?
19:37:29DeefTrying to see if repeat shuffle even does actually shuffle
19:37:34Pajama-Byeah
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19:38:00Genre9mp3Pajama-B: Then all you need is an adapter
19:38:10Pajama-Bokay
19:38:39Deefstrange
19:39:04DeefI was fast forwarding through tracks, but it was getting quite slow to restart playing
19:39:14Deefhaving reset, I see that that isn't normal
19:39:43Genre9mp3Pajama-B: You should advice a local store for what adapter you'll need
19:39:55Genre9mp3I'm not familiar with the Korean standards
19:39:56Pajama-Bcool
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19:44:25DeefOk I would like to say that repeat shuffle == repeat
19:45:03nlsthen tha's a bug :-)
19:45:15nlsthat's a bug, even
19:45:52Deef*nods*
19:46:20DeefTurning on shuffle and repeat shuffle causes it to shuffle from the word go
19:46:52DeefDoes anyone else use the upside down plugin?
19:47:01DeefI think I'm going to live off it
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19:57:15nlsThat feature is pretty new and nobody that adds features to rockbox ever care to update the manual.
19:57:36*nls points at JDgordon
19:57:50Deefnods
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20:06:57DeefThe iRiver firmware has intro mode
20:07:21DeefIntro mode that can start from a minute into each track... which is pretty cool.. never seen that on a player before
20:07:28DeefKnow if Rockbox has that?
20:08:36Genre9mp3I think no
20:08:52Deefah well
20:13:19nlsAnyone knows if AGC works for archos jukeboxes?
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20:16:40_eckobar_hi everybody
20:17:02Deefhullo
20:17:16_eckobar_need help: my ipod 5G with rockbox has hang up. is there any key combination to make restart?
20:17:46_eckobar_nothing helped: press long play or press menu+play
20:18:01DeefNo experience with ipods myself
20:18:16_eckobar_f***
20:18:19nlstry holding select+play or select+menu
20:18:21DeefBut when my iRiver crashes there's reset button I can press with a toothpick or pin etc
20:18:37DeefDoesn't hurt rockbox, or even any settings
20:18:58Pajama-Bwhen you're wearing headphones it farts
20:19:02_eckobar_Deef: nothing to press with toothpick.
20:19:04Pajama-Blol
20:19:24nls_eckobar_, did you try the button combos I suggested
20:19:26amiconnSelect+Menu is the hardware reset combo on ipod
20:19:50_eckobar_nls: nothing helped, pressed very long. but no action ... only light was going on.
20:20:14nlsamiconn, does AGC work for recording on archos
20:20:16nls?
20:21:48amiconnProbably not; never tried or checked
20:22:42nlsAnd I was hoping to close a three year old feature request ;-)
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20:23:02pixelmaI couldn't find such an option in the recording settings menu on my Ondio
20:23:30nlsWe have nearly 500 open requests now and I think someone needs to decide what should be rejected etc...
20:23:36nlspixelma, thanks
20:26:15Nimdaemahna mahna
20:27:45DeefWhat is car adaptor mode
20:27:48DeefManual doesn't say
20:28:05Nimdaei'm working on my own theme :)
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20:43:41birdfishHeya guys, I know it's still /really/ early, but I was just wondering if anyone had heard any talk about an eventual port for the upcoming Zune player? (I'd definitely regret buying a proprietary player again)
20:45:17_eckobar_nls: ipod decided to restart by himself after 10 minutes. but no damage could be verified, everything looks ok. *gg*
20:46:08preglowis the zune hardware even known?
20:47:04lowlightbirdfish: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0
20:47:38Paul_the_Nerdpreglow: It's essentially the Gigabeat S, according to talk I've heard.
20:48:27DeefWorth asking again
20:48:37DeefAnyone know what car adapter mode is?
20:49:11Paul_the_NerdDeef: Do you have an Archos?
20:49:22birdfishlowlight: woot, thanks for the link dude :) (but yeah, I realize that it hasn't been released and that there really isn't any way to know if a port will be developed. that's why I was just asking if there had been any discussion revolving about the topic, or whether everyone was just shunning it because of the microsoft branding)
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20:55:46preglowwhen do you need to flip the display?
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20:59:05Nimdaezune is basically gigabeat s...in fact, it's looking to be a repackaged gigabeat, heh
20:59:29Nimdaemade by the same company
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21:00:14amiconnpreglow: Depending on how you (have to) place your player, it can be useful
21:00:31amiconnSomeone actually asked for display flip on X5 recently
21:00:44amiconnIt was all prepared, just not hooked to the settings menu
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21:05:40DeefI have a fun question
21:05:58DeefThe h340 I just bought.. all the songs on it were wiped by the looks of it
21:06:12DeefExcept suddenly I've found a playlist sitting in root
21:06:35DeefAnd that points to and plays (in Winamp) all these songs I don't have
21:07:33Deef600 songs
21:07:39birdfishamiconn: hold on. are you saying that there is currently a way to flip the display on the x5? i'd love to try this out! :)
21:08:13DeefExcept I don't know how to actually retrieve these music files. Winamp says they're in recycled, windows says Recycled is empty
21:08:29birdfishDeef: even when you connect the h340?
21:08:45DeefYeah, I've only seen them while its been connected
21:08:47Paul_the_NerdDeef: Retrieving them would most likely be illegal anyway, seeing as you don't own them.
21:08:53birdfishThe recycle bin won't show the files that the dap trashed until it's connected
21:09:32*birdfish wonders how paul knows deef doesn't own the songs?
21:09:39*birdfish supposes he missed something
21:09:44DeefIs the recycle bin even visible running the player on its own?
21:09:54Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: Read his whole statement. He bought the H340, supposed to be wiped, but there was that playlist still on it.
21:10:50birdfishPaul_the_Nerd: oh, gotcha. I thought he was saying that he bought it > transfered music > installed rockbox > accidentally deleted his library (sometimes I read too much into things)
21:10:55Paul_the_NerdHe's trying to recover the music of the previous owner.
21:11:16*birdfish shames Deef
21:11:29Nimdaedeef: it's possible to recover, but doing so may violate the dmca so i'll just leave it at that
21:11:34Paul_the_NerdIf you delete the music in Rockbox, it doesn't go to the recycle bin. If you delete it on your computer, it actually does show up in the recycle bin.
21:11:38Deefdmca?
21:11:54Nimdaedigital media copyright act
21:12:01Nimdaei think
21:12:31Paul_the_Nerdmillennium I believe.
21:12:39Nimdaesomething like that
21:12:39Genre9mp3Digital Millennium Copyright Act and this is for the US
21:12:47Nimdaei live in the US ;)
21:12:52Nimdaeso i'm buond by that law
21:13:28amiconnbirdfish: Fetch the latest bleeding edge build
21:13:31Nimdaeit's pretty easy to recover though
21:13:35DeefUh huh
21:13:50DeefI bet
21:14:06Genre9mp3Nimdae: Why you teasing the guy? :P
21:14:21Nimdaejust pointing it out
21:14:34Nimdaethe answer has really been pointed out already, just not directly ;)
21:14:53birdfishPaul_the_Nerd: through my experience deleting files from dap's, the files usually display in the recycle bin until the dap is disconnected from the computer (in which case, the recycled files remain on the dap (in a recycle bin of it's own and will only be visible in the computer's recycle bin once the dap is connected again). However, yes, you can delete directly from the dap as well.
21:14:59Genre9mp3you continue with the teasing
21:15:24Nimdaeok fine
21:15:29Nimdaeenable viewing system/hidden files
21:15:36Nimdaego into the device, look for the "hidden" recycle bin
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21:15:38Nimdaeshould be there
21:16:03Nimdaeit may be bound to the original computer that created it though
21:16:11*birdfish wonders if his latest compiled with patches version has the functionality of screen flipping or if he might have to give up the processor boosting functionality in return for the screen flipping functionality
21:16:35Nimdaei want screen flipping D:
21:16:43Nimdae/emo
21:17:03*Genre9mp3 now realised that Nimdae was itching to tell and not really try to tease Deef! :P
21:17:28Nimdaeheh
21:17:46Nimdaesee, this is why i use shift+delete ;)
21:18:05Genre9mp3Shift+delete all the way! :)
21:18:20birdfishshift+delete is great until you accidentally select an important file
21:18:23birdfish;)
21:18:26amiconnNimdae: Even then it's fairly easy to undelete the files, unless something new was written to the disk
21:18:40Nimdaeamiconn: i know, but that requires more advanced knowledge
21:18:50Nimdaebut i've done data recovery like that
21:18:53Genre9mp3amiconn: this requires an extra utility though
21:19:16Nimdaebirdfish: i'm a fan of backups of important data
21:19:28DeefWell I have all system/hidden files visible by default
21:19:43DeefAnd still finding nothing, so you haven't helped anyone brea any law
21:19:52NimdaeDeef: you should see a "hidden" recycle bin at the root of your drives if you do
21:20:00Deefyeah
21:20:03Deefits empty
21:20:15Nimdaeit's probably bound to the computer that created it then
21:20:24Deefthe playlist entries actually list them as in that directory
21:20:30*amiconn wonders what processor boosting functionality birdfish is talking about
21:20:42Nimdaeyou could probably connect it to linux and find the files
21:20:47Paul_the_NerdNimdae: Or in Rockbox
21:20:56Nimdaethat too
21:20:58amiconnCPU boost is part of mainline rockbox on all swcodec targets
21:21:25Deef<Nimdae> it's pretty easy to recover though
21:21:31DeefD=
21:21:42DeefBut yeah
21:21:47Nimdaewell, i dunno what microsoft has changed to the recycle bin these days :P
21:21:52Genre9mp3Deef, you said that you can play them in Winamp through a list?
21:21:53DeefBy the looks of it Windows isn't going to help here
21:21:54Nimdaei'm more of a linux guy
21:21:57DeefYeah
21:22:00DeefWinamp is playing them now
21:22:18NimdaeDeef: i know another way
21:22:19DeefFrom the recycle bin of the h340
21:22:21Paul_the_NerdDeef: Deal with the fact that it's more difficult to steal the music than you though and either google up some help, or accept it.
21:22:22Deefthe empty recycle bin
21:23:33*Deef nods
21:23:35Nimdaeyeah, at least just dump them to be safe
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21:23:46DeefHeh
21:23:51birdfishamiconn: there is a new cpu boost patch out for rockbox right now. Not sure what it's exactly called though. But it speeds up the os on the x5 a bit
21:24:04DeefThis channel tears itself between being legal or illegal
21:24:25Nimdaebecause the RIAA likes to toss around lawsuits
21:24:35DeefUh huh
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21:24:39Paul_the_NerdNimdae: Actually, we at Rockbox do respect copyright very solidly
21:24:42Nimdaewhether you're american or not
21:24:43Paul_the_NerdIt's not about lawsuits.
21:24:45Genre9mp3btw.. everything is logged! :P
21:25:01NimdaePaul_the_Nerd: true, i stopped pirating like 3 years ago
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21:25:22Nimdaeall the music on my ipod is legal, heh
21:25:27Nimdaewell
21:25:30Nimdaeother than the drm being stripped
21:25:41Paul_the_NerdI'll admit I've pirated from time to time, but it's usually a case of "I have to pay $90 to import a rare CD? Why can't they just press more of the thing, it's *plastic*"
21:25:42Nimdaebut i paid for it
21:25:55birdfishAll of my music is /questionably/ legal by russians
21:26:01*birdfish looks about
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21:26:09Nimdaei've dealt with the pain of importing in the past
21:26:10birdfish=)
21:26:14Nimdaei can understand why it's expensive
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21:26:27Nimdaei've had a cd blocked by customs in fact
21:26:33Genre9mp3Paul_the_Nerd: Importing CDs overseas sucks big time
21:26:45Nimdaesuspicion of pirated material
21:27:06Paul_the_NerdHehehe
21:27:10Nimdaenow that's irony there
21:27:11birdfishI can't. The media industry boosts the prices of media contents to a ridiculous amount. I don't mind paying for my stuff, but I'll only allow myself to pay a reasonable amount of money
21:27:17*birdfish likes the magnatune approach
21:27:34Nimdaewell, a lot of people don't understand that you're not just paying for a piece of plastic
21:27:51*birdfish doesn
21:27:57*birdfish doesn't pay for plastic anymore
21:28:13Paul_the_NerdI kinda wish that when music went from CD to Online they'd *increased* the quality instead of decreased it.
21:28:19Nimdaeyou're paying an artist for his work, you're paying for the equipment used to make the music/media, you're paying for the advertising, so on and so forth
21:28:25birdfishThus, music over the net should't be as expensive as in store (sometimes even more expensive)
21:28:40birdfishBecause the downloader is not only paying for the music, but the internet connection with which to download
21:28:42Nimdaei've found music i buy online is cheaper
21:28:51birdfishNow maybe the high prices if the internet connection was payed for by the music industry
21:28:56Paul_the_NerdNimdae: I personally would rather not pay for the advertising. Can I opt out from receiving it and pay a discount?
21:28:59Genre9mp3Paul_the_Nerd: And with all these DRM stuff you may one day loose what you "bought"
21:29:13PaulJamSlasheri: are you here? i was wondering if it would be possible to keep the runtime informations for files that were removed from the device and use them again if the files are again copied to the player.
21:29:13NimdaePaul_the_Nerd: nope, the expenditure is passed down to the consumer
21:29:18birdfishnimdae: depends on your source of purchase
21:29:31birdfishnimdae: napster and like services are a rip
21:29:38Nimdaei don't use napster
21:29:45Nimdaebelieve it or not, i kinda like msn music
21:29:52birdfishnimdae: especially as they serve only 128 kbps quality
21:29:58Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: Oh, I only buy from DRM-free sources anyway..
21:30:13Nimdaemsn music uses 256k wma
21:30:20birdfishnimdae: never check out msn. But I have a problem with certain music services and not being able to find the music I want
21:30:23Genre9mp3Paul_the_Nerd: I'm talking about the majority of on-line stores
21:30:34Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: for example Mindawn is nice if you're willing to explore some artists you may not have heard before. Ogg/Vorbis and Ogg/Flac music.
21:30:41*birdfish wonders where Paul_the_Nerd purchases from
21:30:58birdfishflac is leet but big
21:31:07Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: Five seconds late with your query. :-P
21:31:13birdfishYeah ;) =P
21:31:42Nimdaei just use wmp to burn the msn music to cd audio, then rip it, heh
21:31:42Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: Yes, but for 8.99 US you can buy an album in FLAC, and safely transcode it to any bitrate/format you want for any player without worrying about extra artifacts.
21:31:45birdfishI wonder if the RIAA will actually stop allofmp3 this time
21:32:02birdfishPaul_the_Nerd: very true
21:32:07Nimdaeanyway, work beckons me
21:32:16birdfishlates dude. nice chatting with you :)
21:32:19Paul_the_NerdI like FLAC more as an archiving format than a playback format.
21:32:31birdfishno doubt
21:32:45Genre9mp3In some years from now lossy formats will be pointless
21:32:50birdfishI used to play flac through my x5, but along with the space aspect, it took too much processing power to decode
21:32:53*Deef coughs innocently
21:33:28Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: FLAC takes less power in Rockbox, but still more battery life just because the disk has to spin up more often
21:34:07Genre9mp3How much RAM does the X5 has?
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21:34:43birdfishPaul_the_Nerd: are you sure about that? I thought it required more battery life mainly because it took so much power to decode higher levels of compression?
21:34:55birdfishGenre9mp3: not sure. Never looked into it
21:35:04SlasheriPaulJam: currently that's not possibe but i have plans to add more advanced changelog support to keep all old data and also detect if files has been moved/renamed
21:35:07Paul_the_NerdGenre9mp3: 16mb,
21:35:10Genre9mp3I think (not sure) it has 16MB
21:35:14Genre9mp3ah..
21:35:18*birdfish would love a dap with a gig of mem. That would be nice
21:35:26Genre9mp3that's explains it... it will keep the hd very busy
21:35:32Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: On Rockbox, on the coldfire targets FLAC can be decoded without even boosting the CPU up from the slower speed it's at when not during playback.
21:35:39birdfishPerhaps once I graduate with my engineering degree I'll hack up a dap with more mem
21:35:43amiconn16MB is okay even with lossless format
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21:36:00amiconnGenre9mp3: On archos the hd spins up often when playing wav...
21:36:00Paul_the_NerdCompared to the about 1.5mb of Buffer you end up with on Archoses. ;)
21:36:17birdfishPaul_the_Nerd: wow :) I'll have to keep that in mind next time i'm torn between spending the extra for flac then :D
21:36:47Genre9mp3the more RAM the better though
21:36:54amiconnNot necessarily
21:37:02amiconnMore ram also consumes more power
21:37:03PaulJamSlasheri: good.
21:37:11Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: I use FLAC for some of my albums on my H120, without any real problem.
21:37:16amiconnSo the manufacturers need to balance
21:37:17Genre9mp3as much as double hdd spins?
21:37:49amiconnPerhaps not, but from a certain amount of ram, more ram doesn't lead to fewer spinups
21:38:00amiconn...due to user behaviour
21:38:10Genre9mp3sure...
21:38:18birdfishPaul_the_Nerd: really, flac should only be required for classical and may electronica (I think). Pop/Rap/Rock have so much static and beats in them that the extra quality wouldn't be very discernible
21:38:20*amiconn wonders why the Nano G2 has 256MB RAM
21:38:25Genre9mp3but it's good to have more when using lossless
21:38:28preglowamiconn: depends on the codec, really
21:38:31amiconnOn the Nano there are no spinups, so it's a waste
21:38:37Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: WHAT?!
21:38:37preglowamiconn: 256 mb ram???????
21:38:50*Paul_the_Nerd was wondering why the G1 had the whole 32.
21:38:52preglowamiconn: sure you're not confusing that with the 256kb sram?
21:38:52birdfishamiconn: that's because the nano is flash...
21:38:54amiconnWas mentioned here a while ago...
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21:39:08birdfishamiconn: it's basically just a bit bit of memory
21:39:12amiconn(while == weeks)
21:39:15birdfishbit = big
21:39:15Genre9mp3birdfish: the opposite actually
21:39:22Learor 256 mbit...
21:39:31birdfishGenre9mp3: how so?
21:39:56Genre9mp3birdfish: since it's flash it doesn't need much RAM
21:39:57birdfishGenre9mp3: it's not access in the same way. But there are no moving parts.
21:40:05amiconnOther swcodec (!) flash players have even less memory than the old archoses - thinking of the iFP7xx ...
21:40:07birdfishGenre9mp3: that's what I just said
21:40:17Genre9mp3ah... sorry misunderstood then
21:41:04*linuxstb_ thought the 2nd gen Nano had 256 Mbit of RAM...
21:41:18Paul_the_NerdMBit would make more sence
21:41:19Paul_the_Nerdsense
21:41:27*Lear too
21:41:28Genre9mp3I believe that 32MB are reasonable for mp3 and generally lossy formats while 64MB would be neat for lossless playback
21:41:48Genre9mp3I think that X5's 16MB is a bit small
21:42:07*linuxstb_ blames the IPL wiki for the misinformation...
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21:42:53birdfishGenre9mp3: I would agree. The X5 even feels sluggish sometimes. ESPECIALLY when higher quality formats are being accessed
21:43:17amiconnThat has nothing to do with the amount of ram
21:44:27Genre9mp3A typical 4min flac file is about 25MB
21:45:11birdfishamiconn: everything has to be loaded into ram. Therefore, is the track is currently being accessed, one will certain see a delay as the information from the track database is loaded into the ram
21:45:22linuxstb_This is the (32MB, 256Mbit) SDRAM inside the 2nd gen nano: http://www.samsung.com/products/semiconductor/MobileSDRAM/MobileSDRSDRAM/256Mbit/K4M56163PG/K4M56163PG.htm
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21:46:32amiconnbirdfish: Yes, but that doesn't have to do with the amount of ram available
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21:46:52amiconnFewer ram just means more frequent (but shorter) rebuffering during playback
21:47:02amiconns/Fewer/Less/
21:47:30birdfishamiconn: how so. If more ram is available, more information can be accessed at once (correct?)
21:49:03Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: RAM is used almost entirely as audio buffer in Rockbox. What information are you referring to?
21:49:35amiconnlinuxstb: Ah, yes, so the ipodlinux wiki is misleading...
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21:51:38birdfishPaul_the_Nerd: perhaps I'm not thinking about the issue correctly. I was just considering that if information from the music database needed to be accessed, it would be loaded into ram. And if there was more ram, the information from the database could possible stay loaded into ram and be accessed much faster than needed to be wait until it finds a chance to enter the memory buffer before being accessed.
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21:52:05salivalHi, where can I find the LCD wait states? (they used to be in system.c)
21:52:34Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: You mean the TagCache Load to RAM option? That just lumps the whole thing in RAM, it's not *that* big.
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21:53:22salivalI need these to resolve the glitchy screen error on my h300
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21:54:09Genre9mp3Anyway.. as amiconn stated it really depends on the user habits... if someones skips tracks frequently it's better to have small RAM while if someone prefers to listen to whole albums, a bigger RAM would be better for battery life
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21:55:07birdfishHm... So now I'm wondering why (even with tag caching enabled) browsing the music database is sluggish while playing high quality files?
21:55:25linuxstb_amiconn: The misinformation probably came from this arstechnica article: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/ipod-2g.ars/4 - it actually discusses the 8-fold memory increase, whilst linking to that Samsung webpage...
21:55:40Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: Because the CPU is busy, and only has so much time to share between Decoding and Drawing the menus?
21:55:42Genre9mp3birdfish: maybe you mean dircache?
21:56:09Paul_the_NerdIf decoding wants 80% of the pie, and the menuing system wants 30%, you're gonna hafta compromise. :-P
21:56:20birdfishPaul_the_Nerd: good point
21:56:24amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, found that as well.
21:56:26Paul_the_NerdNot that those numbers are in any way accurate
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21:57:59amiconnThere are multiple mistakes in that ars technica article....
21:58:11amiconn...and the Nano 1st gen and 2nd gen use the exact same RAM chip
21:59:19birdfishBeing a playlist oriented firmware, does rockbox perform better when playing tracks through a playlist rather than the menuing system?
21:59:24amiconnFlash eprom size is stated wrong too (also in ipl wiki)
21:59:29*birdfish notes the cutdown on needed to search through the menu
21:59:34amiconnIt's 8Mbit, not 8MB
21:59:45birdfishBut I'm wondering if it accesses the music any faster through a playlist?
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22:01:39birdfishHold those thoughts while I reboot really quick
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22:05:23birdfishOkay, back to the question if you guys don't mind :)
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22:05:44Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: I don't even know what you think you're asking... access the music any faster?
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22:09:30birdfishBasically, are there any benefits to using playlists (for example a certain authors cd) rather than browsing through the database an selecting play on that cd and just letting it cycle down the list contained inside the folder?
22:09:36*birdfish hopes that made sense
22:09:48Paul_the_Nerdbirdfish: No.
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22:10:27birdfishI wasn't sure if having playlist loaded allows rockbox to know the location of the file ahead of time so it was ready to begin playing upon completion of the previous song (faster than persay without the playlist). That was all I was really asking.
22:10:33birdfishThanks though :)
22:10:50Paul_the_NerdRockbox buffers several songs at once.
22:11:22Paul_the_NerdRemember it's gapless... there is no space between the end of one set of audio data and the beginning of the next (from a 'what you hear' perspective) other than artificial spaces insert by encoders or format restrictions
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22:17:52markunNimdae: well, the Zune can't be exactly like the Gigabeat S because that one has no wifi for example.
22:19:08birdfishnimdae went off to work
22:19:22birdfishif rockbox chooses to go that direction, wifi will be awesome
22:19:34birdfishIt could be used for so many useful tasks
22:19:51petursure, as if writing a wifi driver is *that* easy...
22:20:04markunlet's get a usb stack first..
22:20:14peturtouch
22:20:17markun:)
22:20:37birdfishpetur: I never said it would be "that" easy. no need to get jerky ;) I just said it would be really cool.
22:20:49markunany more luck with the philips code?
22:20:58Bagderhttp://www.sics.se/~adam/uip/ :-)
22:21:11peturoh
22:21:16markunyes, nice ip stack
22:21:20birdfishAnyhow, by the time anyone gets around to porting rockbox to the zune, I will probably be in my graduate courses (so I might be the one developing the driver) ;)
22:21:36Paul_the_NerdMy requirements of any DAP silly enough to have Wifi: Support for web radio. That's it.
22:22:09birdfishIt'd be nice to be able to download some tracks on the go from various web services
22:22:19birdfishbrowsing the web would be a waste of time on a dap
22:22:20markunif it has a microphone as well I think voip would be nice
22:23:12peturmarkun: usb initializes almost completely, just the otg driver complaining interrupts are not coming through - must check why it's not getting them. Must wait an hour before looking at it, too many grimbergen blond for now :)
22:23:14birdfishHowever, I wouldn't expect the interfaces for the music services to be of great quality. more of a searchbox for basic querying if you happen to know the name of a track
22:23:22*birdfish will be back later. time to work
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22:48:52SwillerHelp
22:49:19Swiller!Help
22:49:29Swiller!files
22:49:33preglowout
22:49:46preglowunless you actually happen to be looking for rockbox help, that is
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22:50:01Swillercan someone tell me how to use a patch?
22:50:07SwillerI am
22:50:08preglowby using the patch command
22:50:16Swillerlol
22:50:17BagderSwiller: which wiki page isn't good enough?
22:50:18preglowwriting "!files" seems to be a weird way to look for help
22:50:37SwillerI thought maybe the latest builds were on here
22:50:54SwillerI just conveted my ipod color over to Rockbox last night
22:51:11Swillerand it locks up about every 5-10 min
22:51:31SwillerI looked thru the wiki and didnt see anything about patches
22:51:42pagefaultthats not good
22:51:54pagefaultare you using the SVN snapshot or the release
22:52:14peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
22:52:14pagefaultwell actually I mean hmm
22:52:15SwillerI downloaded it from the release page
22:52:38Swillerbut it was in the daily build box
22:52:48Swilleroh sorry
22:53:03hcsSwiller: I have a patch which might be helpful, mikeage is building it regularly, check out http://mikeage.net/content/rockbox/index.php , the http://mikeage.net/content/rockbox/rockbox-20061031-color-cpufreq3.zip might be helpful
22:53:10lowlightamiconn: as I mentioned earlier...on first glance I see no reason why wps_state.current_track_path[] is needed
22:53:16lowlightamiconn: because you can get the current path from wps_state.id3->path
22:53:32lowlightamiconn: save another 256 bytes :)
22:53:33Swillerthat is the one I downloaded but I wasnt sure how to apply it
22:53:54hcsSwiller: that link is already built
22:54:11hcsjust unzip it onto your ipod
22:54:14Swiller<−−- Not a programmer
22:54:23SwillerI just want FLAC on my IPOD
22:54:25Swiller:)
22:54:43Swillerwhen you say built what do you mean
22:54:52preglowcpufreq scaling on ipod color isn't stable?
22:54:56Swillerok
22:55:03Swillerin the root
22:55:06Swiller?
22:55:16hcspreglow: hasn't been as long as I've been using rockbox
22:55:33hcsSwiller: yes, just as when you first installed the daily build
22:55:55SwillerOK thanks
22:57:44preglowhcs: what's the problem with it then?
22:58:21hcspreglow: I don't know, but when frequency scaling is enabled it tends to freeze, see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5264
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23:00:08preglowhrm
23:00:20preglowi should see if it has some impact on my nano as well, som eday
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