| 00:05:36 | jhMikeS | petur: should I keep that option to create files immediately or dump it? I just need some ops on that. |
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| 00:08:24 | petur | dunno |
| 00:09:12 | petur | that option causes no spinup when starting recording, right? |
| 00:09:18 | jhMikeS | It's more of a paranoia thing really. Each file will be started immediatly on disk and the last flushed and closed instead of delaying everything till flush |
| 00:09:24 | petur | or the inverse of that rather |
| 00:09:28 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 00:10:11 | jhMikeS | The disk will always spin on the first file if you don't have a RTC though since it must seach for the number |
| 00:10:29 | petur | If you stop recording it flushes anyway, right? |
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| 00:10:45 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 00:11:18 | jhMikeS | but it will split gaplessly and save each stream at the split |
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| 00:11:45 | petur | I'd put it in comment |
| 00:12:04 | jhMikeS | it's already there to do it or not. not much of a deal to add or remove or add in again |
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| 00:13:02 | petur | I don't think it's a feature somebody will miss if it's not there, and I'm a bit against adding yet another setting ;) |
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| 00:14:13 | rasher | How about simply being paranoid always? |
| 00:14:20 | jhMikeS | I concur. Internal mic users hated having the disk spin all the time but wasn't sure about others. |
| 00:14:25 | rasher | Few things worse than a taper who just lost his work |
| 00:14:50 | petur | you only miss 3 minutes max |
| 00:14:58 | jhMikeS | That's why I put it there... |
| 00:15:26 | rasher | Just seems to me that paranoia is the best way to go, if you're not adding an option |
| 00:15:26 | petur | it's not that you'd miss much audio, but you'd need to fix the header |
| 00:15:29 | jhMikeS | petur: but if it doesn't finish the file the header won't be valid. I guess youd need a program that would read it anyway. |
| 00:15:58 | petur | I would rather not spin the disk ;) |
| 00:16:04 | rasher | But I haven't been paying much attention to recording at all, so feel free to ignore me completely. |
| 00:16:21 | * | petur ignores rasher :p |
| 00:18:02 | * | jhMikeS says nothing |
| 00:18:54 | rasher | Hrm. ~/.ccache is safe to delete at any time, right? |
| 00:28:51 | * | amiconn just noticed that xine uses libmpeg2 when playing DVDs |
| 00:29:32 | jhMikeS | xine? or xing or wine? |
| 00:30:12 | amiconn | gxine |
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| 00:50:28 | petur | goodmorning ;) |
| 00:50:49 | * | petur is off to bed.... |
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| 00:59:46 | Davide-NYC | hello all. THe silence is creey |
| 00:59:54 | Davide-NYC | *creepy |
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| 01:05:08 | JdGordon | what -q settting for ogg is equiv to about 256kb/s mp3? |
| 01:08:35 | obo | between 8 and 9? http://senab.iddx.net/rockbox/results.html |
| 01:09:21 | obo | but I think most say that > 6 it's impossible to abx any difference |
| 01:09:47 | Davide-NYC | JdGordon: -q 8 is just over 256 in general |
| 01:09:51 | JdGordon | ok ta |
| 01:10:07 | jhMikeS | creeeepeeee |
| 01:10:09 | JdGordon | i tihnk q6 would be fine for my non-audiofle ears :p |
| 01:10:32 | Davide-NYC | I say go 8 |
| 01:10:50 | Davide-NYC | but htat's me with the $125 pair of sony over-ears |
| 01:10:57 | Davide-NYC | looking like a total dork |
| 01:11:09 | JdGordon | q 6 is already 6.8mb for 5min track.... i prefer more songs, not higher qual |
| 01:11:18 | Davide-NYC | there ya go! |
| 01:11:20 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 01:11:34 | jhMikeS | then just use the lowest setting |
| 01:11:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: Updating source: in english.lang actually makes sense most of the time |
| 01:11:55 | JdGordon | i checked q4 nd i think thats even too low for me :p |
| 01:11:58 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: how's 'it' going? |
| 01:12:04 | jhMikeS | lol it's always english.lang |
| 01:12:20 | amiconn | A source: change is what will cause the entry to be marked in the other .lang files as needing attention |
| 01:12:21 | jhMikeS | 'it"s' going pretty well |
| 01:12:38 | Davide-NYC | will we be seeing 'it' soon? |
| 01:12:42 | Davide-NYC | ;-) |
| 01:12:47 | jhMikeS | I think so. |
| 01:13:23 | Davide-NYC | like this weekend? cause after that I won;t be able to do anyhting in the way of testing |
| 01:13:24 | jhMikeS | has a quirk on the SPDIF output, but I mentioned that it's probably there already. |
| 01:13:36 | amiconn | The only thing that should never be changed without special precautions is the id: field |
| 01:13:37 | jhMikeS | Like tonight or tomorrow. |
| 01:13:39 | Davide-NYC | describe the quirk |
| 01:13:44 | Davide-NYC | (please) |
| 01:14:17 | jhMikeS | It doesn't always turn on when it should but I don't want to make this update any larger than it is. I'll address those things in bits and pieces. |
| 01:14:17 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What quirk? s/pdif out is working flawless here, and that's the only s/pdif feature I actually use |
| 01:15:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: then maybe it's new. it's tied to recording. but if you put in on in the menu and play then it will be on all the time as it should. |
| 01:15:59 | amiconn | Hmm, s/pdif and recording is a bit weird on h1x0 |
| 01:16:22 | Davide-NYC | there is no menu item for it is there? |
| 01:16:31 | amiconn | You need to enable s/pdif power for s/pdif recording to work, something I wouldn't expect to be necessary |
| 01:16:32 | jhMikeS | Found it testing feed-through. |
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| 01:16:54 | jhMikeS | There is in the playback settings |
| 01:17:10 | amiconn | But if the user has disabled s/pdif out, the transceiver should be set to disabled, leaving the LED in a very dim state |
| 01:17:19 | amiconn | That's how it works in cvs |
| 01:17:56 | jhMikeS | it's supposed to follow the setting but doesn't quite and throws it off |
| 01:18:39 | jhMikeS | Wierd, mine is either on or off, not dim. |
| 01:18:51 | amiconn | I mean for recording |
| 01:18:54 | Davide-NYC | if there is anything specific you want me to test let me know and I'll try to get some time at the studio to do this. |
| 01:19:04 | amiconn | If you set s/pdif to enabled, it has to be bright |
| 01:19:06 | jhMikeS | Even then. |
| 01:19:09 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 01:19:17 | amiconn | If you set it to off it has to be completely off |
| 01:19:50 | amiconn | But if you select s/pdif as recording source _and_ have disabled s/pdif out, it has to be dim |
| 01:20:17 | jhMikeS | but after recording something isn't quite right and it stays off when playing |
| 01:20:37 | jhMikeS | I'll give a look |
| 01:21:13 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: I don't know. I think I have to put it out there and let the hate messages come :P |
| 01:21:40 | Davide-NYC | that sounds like a good idea *if* you will have a little free time post commit |
| 01:22:38 | Davide-NYC | Dim here |
| 01:22:46 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: that's what I plan on. I just don't want to keep updating the bulk part. I'd like to just have small enhancement and fixes to deal with. |
| 01:22:47 | Davide-NYC | very very dim ;-) |
| 01:22:55 | jhMikeS | dim here too |
| 01:23:01 | Davide-NYC | lol |
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| 01:25:02 | Davide-NYC | right now, is there a way to config source dependant settings using a custom config file? |
| 01:25:14 | Davide-NYC | are there conditional switches in the config file? |
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| 01:27:41 | [g2] | is today's daily a bad thing to build ? Re: errors on ‘USBPOWER_BTN_IGNORE’ and ‘USBPOWER_BUTTON’ |
| 01:28:32 | Davide-NYC | alright fellas. I'm out. |
| 01:28:46 | Davide-NYC | I'll check back periodically for the BRP! |
| 01:28:52 | _jhMikeS_ | dang ISP |
| 01:29:00 | [g2] | looks like that's specific to the e200 build |
| 01:29:01 | Davide-NYC | nice feet |
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| 01:35:10 | jhMikeS | what does playlist_viewer need with a call to talk_buffer_steal on SWCODEC just before playing something? |
| 01:35:14 | jhMikeS | :\ |
| 01:36:52 | [g2] | I'm curious what you guys do for regression testing the nightly builds ? |
| 01:38:06 | jhMikeS | [g2]: I cry like a baby when it doesn't work if that's the kind of regression you mean :D |
| 01:38:23 | [g2] | lol |
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| 01:39:08 | [g2] | jhMikeS I'm getting very interested in rockbox |
| 01:39:26 | [g2] | I've spent the last few years on other open source projects |
| 01:40:10 | jhMikeS | You test test test before committing and hopefully noone will bring up further problems. If they do, you try to fix it and fast if it's serious. If it's bad enought things might get reverted. |
| 01:40:29 | [g2] | I've got some ideas for building rockbox hardware |
| 01:40:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | My friend's H120 is ailing. :( |
| 01:40:45 | jhMikeS | [g2]: That's been on my mind as well |
| 01:41:08 | [g2] | jhMikeS are you one of the devs ? |
| 01:41:14 | jhMikeS | Take a carcass of some other player and have the boards made somewhere |
| 01:41:25 | jhMikeS | [g2]: I suppose I am :) |
| 01:41:54 | [g2] | how long have you been with the project ? |
| 01:42:35 | [g2] | btw I think there's a much better strategy than a hw re-hash |
| 01:42:37 | jhMikeS | Ummm...July this year. That's the first time I even looked at the source in any detail and I presented a patch for the x5 |
| 01:43:40 | [g2] | well I"m settting some automated regression testing for some other stuf (XScale based) hw |
| 01:44:06 | jhMikeS | hw re-hash? Was thinking about new hardware hidden in an old player case. |
| 01:44:22 | jhMikeS | just so it looks commercial :) |
| 01:45:12 | [g2] | jhMikeS you're thinking about 1-offs right ? |
| 01:45:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | [g2]: Were you thinking something in the flash-type line, using say CF for storage as is often popular, or going the HD based route? |
| 01:45:56 | jhMikeS | [g2]: a) sounds interesting b) yes, one-offs |
| 01:46:00 | [g2] | Paul_the_Nerd I've got 2 phased strategy in mind |
| 01:46:14 | jhMikeS | were you thinking about production players with rb as the native os? |
| 01:46:24 | [g2] | 1) do an accessory product that generates enough revenue to build a full out player |
| 01:46:31 | [g2] | 2) build the full out player |
| 01:46:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | What kind of accessory product would be suitable here though? |
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| 01:46:59 | scorche | 3) load rockbox as the os =) |
| 01:47:13 | [g2] | scorche that comes in 2 |
| 01:47:27 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 01:47:39 | [g2] | I'm looking to develop sustainable open source models |
| 01:48:05 | scorche | there has been a couple people recently that have wanted to create open hardware devices and load rockbox on it as the firmware |
| 01:48:18 | [g2] | it'd be an open hw project and I'd be looking to funnel funds back to the devs |
| 01:48:49 | [g2] | long-term I've got my eye on kicking apple/cisco a** |
| 01:49:20 | jhMikeS | yes...could use some extra cash :) |
| 01:50:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | To really kick Apple's ass, you still have to come up with some way to break/fight the iTunes/iPod bond. |
| 01:50:22 | jhMikeS | weird, that ideas been bumping around in my head too. |
| 01:50:44 | jhMikeS | you can't fight iPod/iTunes! |
| 01:50:52 | jhMikeS | It's the default choice |
| 01:50:57 | [g2] | <fantasy on> |
| 01:51:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | Though, an MP3 player with hardware designed around Rockbox could *very* definitely win in the "High End" for sound quality and functionality if you aimed for there. |
| 01:51:19 | scorche | also, a big reason that people buy ipods is because of the image and the fact that there are so many accessories for them |
| 01:51:30 | [g2] | IP TV content is gonna end run the cable companies/ satellite companies |
| 01:51:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Which is why you see the Sansa/Rhapsody with an already growing accessory lineup. |
| 01:52:07 | jhMikeS | Unless they buy everything out (sorry if I sound jaded) |
| 01:52:09 | scorche | but amongst the tech community, what Paul_the_Nerd said would be very useful and appreciated |
| 01:52:14 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: of course |
| 01:52:19 | [g2] | the music industry will fragment in 5 years after the video content delivery having fully paved the way |
| 01:52:26 | [g2] | </fantasy on> |
| 01:52:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | As it is, Rockbox is most popular among two crowds, I think: Tapers, and the blind. |
| 01:53:18 | jhMikeS | Tapers are gonna have my nuts tonight or tommorrow *LOL* |
| 01:53:22 | scorche | and those who are tech-aware and cannot stand the ipods |
| 01:53:40 | scorche | also, those with older devices |
| 01:54:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | But those aren't people *seeking* Rockbox, really |
| 01:54:17 | [g2] | so re-accessories.... The accessory I'm thinking about would start off being a universal accessory with plug-ins for different hw |
| 01:54:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | Often those are just people who find it. |
| 01:54:50 | [g2] | one universal rockbox dock to rule-them-all |
| 01:54:58 | jhMikeS | I just found rb by accident and was taken in immediately... |
| 01:55:02 | jhMikeS | RockDock? |
| 01:55:07 | [g2] | with plug-in modules for each major player |
| 01:55:18 | [g2] | snap one in, snap one out |
| 01:55:38 | [g2] | player upgrade, just get an additional plug in module |
| 01:55:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | Like the Apple dock, but more versatile. |
| 01:55:58 | [g2] | Paul_the_Nerd yeah exactly |
| 01:56:16 | * | obo would love a dock that wired up everything possible in an ipod connector... |
| 01:56:17 | [g2] | Paul_the_Nerd no vendor specific lock-in |
| 01:56:29 | [g2] | obo we can do it |
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| 01:57:16 | [g2] | sparkfun sells the ipod connectors for like $2 |
| 01:57:20 | scorche | [g2]: an issue with that is that you would have to figure out all of the transfer protocols and applicable hardware |
| 01:57:38 | scorche | oh...as just a cable? |
| 01:57:38 | jhMikeS | Can we play audio out a USB port on a player that normally lacks a digital output? |
| 01:58:04 | [g2] | scorche like rockbox doesn't already know the insides of most of the players ? |
| 01:58:20 | [g2] | and maybe it only works with rockbox sw |
| 01:58:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, USB connectivity isn't a problem. |
| 01:58:29 | scorche | [g2]: most, yes...but ipods and other newer devices, no |
| 01:58:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | But the iPods have the serial interface which isn't known yet. |
| 01:58:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Not that it's terribly useful for a dock anyway |
| 01:58:49 | [g2] | scorche in-field upgrade |
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| 01:58:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | From the dock all you *really* need is the line in/out pins and the USB, right? |
| 01:59:07 | Hostile | hey guys, Im using rockbox on my 5g iPod, is there anyway to make the font bigger? |
| 01:59:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hostile: Yes, browse fonts and pick a larger one |
| 01:59:18 | [g2] | Paul_the_Nerd depends on what you are trying to accomplish |
| 01:59:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | [g2]: This is true. |
| 01:59:39 | * | jhMikeS notices noone answered that one |
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| 02:00:19 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: I click the browse fonts, it does nothing |
| 02:00:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | [g2]: Another thing is that for say... the h100 series, the USB connection is on the bottom (standard USB) but the 'accessory' part is on the top (remote port + headphone jack) |
| 02:00:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hostile: Did you download the font archive? |
| 02:00:37 | scorche | Hostile: do you have the font pack installed? |
| 02:00:42 | [g2] | jhMikeS I'm not sure I get the question |
| 02:00:53 | Hostile | apparently, not, sorry for my stupid questions |
| 02:01:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: It depends on the player |
| 02:01:16 | jhMikeS | was thinking for something like x5 |
| 02:01:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: In theory, any of the players that have USB hosting have a chance of being able to do it depending on what the controller itself is capable of. |
| 02:01:27 | Hostile | where on the website do I download the font pack? |
| 02:01:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hostile: Daily builds page |
| 02:02:00 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: thanks |
| 02:03:20 | amiconn | jhMikeS: With usb host capabilities it should be possible to connect an usb sound card or something that contains one |
| 02:03:42 | amiconn | Then it's a question of implementing the appropriate usb class |
| 02:03:45 | jhMikeS | yeah, if we get the host thing going |
| 02:04:03 | [g2] | jhMikeS what you trying to do ? |
| 02:04:04 | amiconn | Of course |
| 02:04:47 | [g2] | jhMikeS you want to run a USB host for any device with an OTG controller ? |
| 02:04:49 | jhMikeS | digital output on a device that doesn't officially have one |
| 02:05:36 | jhMikeS | x5 has a USBOTG chip but it's not figure out yet. the docs are only available under non-disclosure |
| 02:05:36 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: I presume there is more themes I can get too? |
| 02:05:55 | [g2] | jhMikeS "digital output" like audio over usb ? |
| 02:06:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hostile: Check the WpsGallery page in the wiki |
| 02:06:14 | jhMikeS | [g2]: Yes |
| 02:06:30 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: thanks again :) |
| 02:06:40 | [g2] | jhMikeS what do you want on the host side ? |
| 02:06:48 | [g2] | usb host side |
| 02:07:02 | jhMikeS | But that could be converted to an SPDIF output or somesuch |
| 02:07:20 | jhMikeS | To be able to just read a camera would be a good start |
| 02:07:28 | [g2] | jhMikeS yeah sure, I'm asking what kind of device you are imagining |
| 02:08:08 | jhMikeS | staying simple ATM...simple audio out over a USB port. |
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| 02:08:54 | yipe | hi rockboxers |
| 02:09:13 | yipe | should I stop calling my ipod an ipod, since I use rockbox all the time? |
| 02:09:17 | yipe | maybe rockPod? |
| 02:09:26 | yipe | or just call it a rockbox |
| 02:09:38 | jhMikeS | The H120 has SPDIF connectors but the x5 does not and perhaps the usb could be the way to have it there too. |
| 02:09:49 | yipe | oh, you're doing serious talking |
| 02:10:06 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Forget it. No chance other than usb otg |
| 02:10:20 | amiconn | The usb pins aren't directly connected to the cpu |
| 02:10:21 | jhMikeS | thought not |
| 02:10:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Don't all the portalplayers theoretically have USBOTG too? |
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| 02:10:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or the capability at least |
| 02:11:08 | * | jhMikeS gets pissed that hardware is so underutilized |
| 02:11:33 | jhMikeS | by the OEMs |
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| 02:15:27 | JdGordon | does anyone know where in the code the SWCODEC buffer is monitored? (assuming it is) |
| 02:17:25 | jhMikeS | Monitored? |
| 02:17:43 | JdGordon | its level... weather its getting low and need sto be rebuffered |
| 02:19:56 | jhMikeS | hmmm...can find it |
| 02:20:07 | scorche | audio i think... |
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| 02:20:25 | scorche | firmware/export |
| 02:20:42 | jhMikeS | audio_get_debug_data |
| 02:20:43 | scorche | errr...nvm...that is juts a .h |
| 02:21:13 | JdGordon | hmm... ok, this might not be as easy as i thought |
| 02:21:57 | jhMikeS | that's HWCODEC |
| 02:22:40 | jhMikeS | debug_menu.c ... dbg_audio_thread |
| 02:24:09 | scorche | that is where it gets displayed, but is that where it is monitored and gets refilled from? |
| 02:24:19 | JdGordon | it cant be.... |
| 02:24:21 | scorche | doesnt look like it... |
| 02:24:30 | jhMikeS | oh... |
| 02:24:37 | jhMikeS | pcmbuf.c and playback.c |
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| 02:26:25 | scorche | ah yeah... |
| 02:26:43 | [g2] | jhMikeS you're a hw guy right ? |
| 02:26:51 | jhMikeS | I had to change the whole layout of it |
| 02:27:12 | [g2] | or just device level sw guy ? |
| 02:27:14 | jhMikeS | [g2]: I don't know. I'll become whatever the task requires |
| 02:27:38 | [g2] | heh.. you sound like a conslultant :) |
| 02:28:22 | jhMikeS | yeah maybe, but I'll do the work too :) |
| 02:29:14 | [g2] | jhMikeS so why do you want the digital out ? |
| 02:31:17 | jhMikeS | [g2]: strictly a can it be done thing. I don't really need a digital out for x5. I have an H120 afterall. |
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| 02:34:13 | [g2] | jhMikeS I think there's tons of flexibility there |
| 02:34:19 | jhMikeS | the USBOTG chip has to be RE'd yet on the software level anyway. The lack USBOTG for x5 is the only reason I've ever used the OF since putting rockbox on it. |
| 02:34:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | That and Video are the most cited reasons for OF use on the H300 as well |
| 02:35:25 | aliask | I can't believe people seriously watch video on the H300 |
| 02:35:45 | jhMikeS | OF video on the x5 blows...12fps MPEG4 avi only. |
| 02:35:45 | [g2] | ~OF |
| 02:35:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | 10fps video on the H300 isn't it? |
| 02:35:56 | aliask | Yep |
| 02:35:56 | Soap | never underestimate what young men will put up with for porn. |
| 02:35:59 | [g2] | open firmware ? |
| 02:36:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | [g2]: Original Firmware |
| 02:36:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Rockbox is Rockbox, whatever was there before is "OF" |
| 02:36:30 | [g2] | OF and RF :) |
| 02:36:37 | aliask | *RB |
| 02:36:42 | [g2] | OF is dead, long live RF |
| 02:36:56 | [g2] | Rockbox Firmware |
| 02:37:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | Though AppleOS sometimes gets a unique identifier since it somehow gets brought up a lot |
| 02:37:36 | jhMikeS | It feels more soft and cuddly than firmware |
| 02:38:08 | shattered | fluffy-ware? |
| 02:38:41 | jhMikeS | poofy-ware even...like the clouds and butter :P |
| 02:39:01 | [g2] | my understanding is OF is rarely replaced |
| 02:39:12 | [g2] | is just not the default load from the bootloader |
| 02:39:44 | jhMikeS | It's often combined for dual boot |
| 02:40:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | Sometimes it's replaced, especially if that can offer advantages, but in general it's an optional step. |
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| 02:46:40 | aliask | How were the hardware addresses for the H100/H300 found? Was is pure RE'ing? |
| 02:48:55 | [g2] | any codec wizards around ? |
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| 03:01:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | [g2]: What kinda codec wizardry are you looking for, anyway? |
| 03:02:07 | [g2] | Paul_the_Nerd I'm just looking to understand the rockbox implementation better |
| 03:02:15 | [g2] | I'm reading the docs now |
| 03:02:43 | [g2] | I've built the nano firmware and saw different codec files |
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| 03:03:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | [g2]: There's a very *very* brief summary at the end of this page, not really technical: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback |
| 03:03:48 | [g2] | Paul_the_Nerd thx |
| 03:07:29 | Hostile | I downloaded the Green iPod 5g theme, in the screenshot it has the nowplaying screen themed and the menu themed, but on mine the theme is only applied to the Now playing, how can I theme my menus? |
| 03:08:09 | pfault | I think my h10 is screwed |
| 03:08:13 | pfault | time for an upgrade |
| 03:09:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hostile: The "iPod Green5g" theme requires an unofficial build, which we don't provide support for. That being said, you are selecting it from "Browse Themes" and the backdrop for the menu is in the proper backdrops folder? |
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| 03:10:16 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: correct, and I do have the unofficial build, so thats not the issue |
| 03:10:44 | pfault | how well does the rockbox run on the nano |
| 03:11:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hostile: Well, the unofficial build may have problems. As i said, we don't support them, they aren't ours. Have you tried setting the backdrop manually? |
| 03:11:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | pfault: Similarly to the H10 |
| 03:11:26 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: nope, How would I set it manually? |
| 03:11:28 | pfault | ok dokie |
| 03:11:39 | pfault | same hardware? almost |
| 03:11:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hostile: Browse to the file, open the context menu, and choose to set it as backdrop |
| 03:11:44 | pfault | I assume it's ARM based as well |
| 03:11:52 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: k |
| 03:11:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | pfault: Similar hardware. Same series of processors even. |
| 03:11:58 | pfault | oh nice |
| 03:12:04 | pfault | well I have extended warranty on my h10 |
| 03:12:08 | pfault | and they no longer carry them |
| 03:12:14 | pfault | so I am probably going to go with a nano |
| 03:12:36 | scorche | well, doubt they still have the 1st gens |
| 03:12:42 | scorche | but you can see |
| 03:12:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | And the 2nd Gen Nano doesn't have *any* Rockbox yet. |
| 03:12:53 | pfault | how many generations did they make |
| 03:13:11 | pfault | would I be better off with an ipod mini if I can find one |
| 03:13:35 | scorche | I would much rather have a 1st gen nano than a mini |
| 03:13:36 | pfault | or are there many generations of those as well |
| 03:13:40 | scorche | but that is just me |
| 03:13:49 | scorche | if you get a mini, try to get a 2nd gen |
| 03:13:50 | pfault | is there any way of telling what generation it is from the box |
| 03:14:02 | pfault | I really would like some rockbox compatible hardware |
| 03:14:03 | scorche | nanos: yes |
| 03:14:09 | scorche | minis: dont think so |
| 03:14:45 | scorche | you can see if it is a second gen or a first gen if you look at the back of the actual device |
| 03:15:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | For minis |
| 03:15:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | Actually you can tell on the face either. |
| 03:15:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | If the labels on the scrollwheel match the color of the aluminum, or not. |
| 03:16:05 | scorche | also, second gen minis have a label on the back of them that says the space of the micro drive |
| 03:16:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yup |
| 03:16:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Nanos look distinctly different between the two generations |
| 03:16:38 | scorche | and come in different packaging |
| 03:17:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | Not to mention, they only come in black and white, and don't go over 4gb, so that alone covers it. :) The only black 2G Nanos are the highest capacity ones, and I don't believe there are white ones. |
| 03:17:23 | pfault | if worst comes to worst i'll just get the ipod photo |
| 03:18:20 | scorche | i would try to find a plain old 5g before going to a photo |
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| 03:18:51 | scorche | there are still issues with the 4g grayscale and photo |
| 03:18:54 | pfault | isn't there a 5.5g now or something that doesn't work |
| 03:19:05 | scorche | yeah |
| 03:19:09 | pfault | oh wonderful |
| 03:19:12 | pfault | so it's like roulette |
| 03:19:19 | scorche | as i said...try to get a 5.0g if it comes down to that |
| 03:19:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well the 5.5G isn't a photo, it's a video. |
| 03:19:33 | pfault | so the 5g is just a normal ipod with colour |
| 03:19:36 | pfault | no video |
| 03:19:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Don't for get the "5G"s that are actually "5.5G" |
| 03:19:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | The 5G and 5.5G are both Video |
| 03:20:04 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: yeah...i was getting to that =) |
| 03:21:04 | pfault | I wish it was like linksys routers |
| 03:21:08 | pfault | where they put the revision on the box |
| 03:21:41 | scorche | well, if the serial is on the box, you7 can check by that |
| 03:21:42 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: when I click a theme, is it loading the .cfg file for it? |
| 03:21:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | WRT-54G Revision 2. :) |
| 03:21:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hostile: Yes. |
| 03:21:50 | pfault | I have the 1.1 |
| 03:22:13 | scorche | but as Paul_the_Nerd said, the regular 5Gs have a firmware revision that makes them act as 5.5s |
| 03:22:15 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: im looking at the cfg for this theme, it has the backdrop, font, and all that set, yet the only thing it loads is the wps |
| 03:22:23 | scorche | or at least as he referred to |
| 03:22:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: Some of the ones with 5G serial numbers even have the 2048-sized sector issue |
| 03:22:51 | pfault | so is there any progress to getting the 5.5's working |
| 03:23:05 | scorche | Paul_the_Nerd: i grouped it into one line to make things simpler to understand |
| 03:23:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hostile: Did you try manually changing the backdrop as I suggested? |
| 03:23:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | scorche: The firmware revision isn't the problem though. A 5G upgraded to the firmware doesn't develop the problem, even when restored, only a new-from-store 5G running that firmware *might* have the problem |
| 03:23:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | pfault: There is progress, but it's not done yet. There are things that don't seem to work for no apparent reason yet |
| 03:24:09 | scorche | yeah...i grouped it into a semi-accurate blanket term i guess then |
| 03:24:09 | pfault | well if I am lucky they have a h10 already |
| 03:24:15 | pfault | and I can just swap it |
| 03:24:24 | pfault | I think I saw 1 in the case when I was there last week |
| 03:24:39 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: yeah, it works, I would think it would do more than just set a backdrop, because if you look at the theme here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g notice in the menu that the menu is spaced under the titlebar, with just the backdrop set the menu is all the way against the top |
| 03:25:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hostile: That is a function of the unofficial build, and I could care less about it. If you need help with features that aren't part of the official Rockbox, you should communicate with the author of the unofficial build. |
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| 03:25:54 | pfault | or I wonder if I can go to futureshop with my bestbuy warranty |
| 03:25:57 | pfault | they still carry the h10 |
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| 03:26:02 | pfault | it's the same company |
| 03:26:20 | Hostile | oh, sorry, I wasn't aware that rockbox didn't do that itself |
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| 03:32:43 | Hostile | can rockbox do any kind of video playing? |
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| 03:34:04 | Soap | m2v - elemental MPEG2 video. |
| 03:34:07 | Soap | no audio. |
| 03:34:40 | Hostile | is it a work in progress? |
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| 03:36:14 | the_lord | Hi! |
| 03:36:34 | the_lord | where can I find themes for rockbox in an iPod Video? |
| 03:37:11 | Soap | the WPS gallery |
| 03:37:25 | Soap | wiki / ipod port / links there. |
| 03:37:37 | the_lord | Soap: thx |
| 03:37:46 | the_lord | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php |
| 03:37:49 | the_lord | lol |
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| 03:38:59 | the_lord | there's no themes for the menues? only for WPS??? |
| 03:41:29 | wehn | You can change font, colour, back round as well as turn on off scroll back, status bar etc. |
| 03:41:29 | scorche | for menus, you can change the backdrop and font |
| 03:41:35 | scorche | some themes change it, some dont |
| 03:41:43 | scorche | actually, most do |
| 03:41:54 | wehn | scroll bar i meant |
| 03:42:07 | the_lord | ummm |
| 03:42:17 | the_lord | I love the way it pauses |
| 03:42:25 | the_lord | I've just installed it |
| 03:42:39 | Hostile | Paul_the_Nerd: it magically started working, thanks for your help |
| 03:42:57 | the_lord | and there's anyway else to create tag cache in my computer? |
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| 03:43:11 | the_lord | instead doing it in the iPod? |
| 03:43:30 | the_lord | and is video playback supported yet? |
| 03:43:38 | scorche | there is a way, but it is a perl script |
| 03:44:10 | scorche | <Hostile> can rockbox do any kind of video playing? #rockbox |
| 03:44:10 | scorche | <Soap> m2v - elemental MPEG2 video. |
| 03:44:10 | scorche | <Soap> no audio. |
| 03:44:24 | scorche | just because it was right before you joined =) |
| 03:44:38 | scorche | and it is a work in progress still of course |
| 03:44:38 | the_lord | hmm |
| 03:44:43 | the_lord | scorche: thx |
| 03:44:47 | the_lord | yes, I know |
| 03:45:14 | the_lord | I hope I'll join the developer team in vacations |
| 03:45:22 | Hostile | the_lord: Im using the Green_5g theme, its pretty |
| 03:46:00 | the_lord | Hostile: I'm looking for a way to have both rockbox and iPos OS at the same time |
| 03:46:10 | the_lord | just like ipodlinux |
| 03:46:17 | scorche | it is dual boot by default |
| 03:46:34 | the_lord | scorche: and how do I boot to the iPod OS? |
| 03:46:35 | scorche | hold menu while booting to go into the apple firmware |
| 03:46:42 | the_lord | hmmm |
| 03:46:51 | the_lord | let me see |
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| 03:51:11 | the_lord | how do I reboot? |
| 03:51:18 | the_lord | I know how to poweroff |
| 03:51:58 | scorche | same way you do it int he apple firmware |
| 03:52:03 | scorche | or any other |
| 03:52:08 | scorche | menu + select |
| 03:52:21 | scorche | but keep in mind that it isnt a "clean reboot" |
| 03:52:49 | the_lord | scorche: it loads rockbox |
| 03:52:58 | scorche | yes |
| 03:52:59 | the_lord | and I keep pressen menu |
| 03:53:04 | the_lord | *pressed |
| 03:53:06 | scorche | keep trying |
| 03:53:14 | scorche | it may take a few times to get used to it |
| 03:53:24 | scorche | make sure and hold your thumb still |
| 03:53:45 | the_lord | scorche: now it worked :D |
| 03:53:46 | the_lord | thx |
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| 04:04:09 | Hostile | is there anyway I can make my rockbox scroll by letters or something because I have a lot of artists, and scrolling takes foreverr |
| 04:05:06 | scorche | there is an ipod scroll wheel acceleration patch in the tracker |
| 04:05:38 | Hostile | hmm, I'm lazy though |
| 04:05:51 | scorche | then learn to live with it |
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| 04:06:54 | scorche | you can also organize your music better so you do not have to deal with large directories |
| 04:07:43 | Hostile | Im using tagcache, it sorts by artist. |
| 04:08:15 | scorche | you can create your own, customized tagnavi.config |
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| 04:09:18 | Hostile | would that allow me to do like, Artists A-K, Artists L-S and such? |
| 04:09:28 | scorche | yes |
| 04:10:42 | Hostile | hmm, is there an example file I could get somewhere? |
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| 04:11:58 | scorche | this thread has some examples |
| 04:12:01 | scorche | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6661.0 |
| 04:12:27 | scorche | keep in mind that the beginning was that something was wrong about it, so read through till the end where solutions were given |
| 04:12:41 | Hostile | any idea what, Data abort at E800008A would mean? |
| 04:12:50 | scorche | for what device? |
| 04:13:18 | Hostile | 5g iPod |
| 04:13:37 | scorche | just a sec |
| 04:16:13 | scorche | btw, there is also this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache#tagnavi_config_v2_0_Syntax |
| 04:16:57 | Hostile | scorche: do I name the file tagnavi.config and put it in the .rockbox dir? |
| 04:17:30 | scorche | ...you rename it "tagnavi.config" and move it into the directory |
| 04:17:53 | JdGordon | rename it to tagnavi_custom.config so you dont have to worry about it being overwriten when u update rockbox |
| 04:18:08 | scorche | ah...that is what he meant |
| 04:18:31 | Hostile | okay, do I have to do anything special for it to recognize it? |
| 04:18:49 | JdGordon | enable the tag browser |
| 04:18:52 | Hostile | k |
| 04:18:52 | JdGordon | and initialize it |
| 04:19:59 | Hostile | works good, thanks guys :) |
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| 04:41:58 | Hostile | scorche: ever find out what Data abort at E800007A means? |
| 04:43:14 | scorche | ah yeah...sorry...forgot |
| 04:44:31 | Hostile | scorche: it did it again |
| 04:44:37 | scorche | how? |
| 04:44:52 | Hostile | it seems to happen when going to play AAC files, not everytime |
| 04:44:54 | Hostile | but often |
| 04:45:30 | scorche | is it reproducible ? |
| 04:46:10 | Hostile | let me see |
| 04:47:40 | Hostile | I just did it again |
| 04:49:06 | Hostile | yep, I have this AAC file that does it everytime |
| 04:49:52 | Hostile | all these AAC files are like doing it lol. |
| 04:50:02 | scorche | how were they encoded? |
| 04:50:22 | Hostile | iTunes |
| 04:51:07 | Hostile | they are 192kbs VBR I think. |
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| 04:56:28 | the_lord | where can I find the iTunesDB to tag cache db? |
| 04:56:58 | the_lord | *script |
| 04:58:28 | Hostile | iTunes_Control/iTunes/ |
| 04:58:36 | Hostile | iPod_Control* |
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| 05:06:09 | the_lord | where do all the .tcb files go? |
| 05:06:43 | the_lord | I've put them in .rockbox, and rockbox tells me that tagcache hasn't finished |
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| 05:07:23 | Hostile | shut down and restart |
| 05:08:56 | the_lord | Hostile: no, your windows-like method didn't work |
| 05:11:25 | Hostile | the_lord: it didnt initialize them when you restarted? |
| 05:11:31 | the_lord | nope |
| 05:11:35 | Hostile | hmm |
| 05:11:42 | Hostile | file view is set to ID3 database? |
| 05:12:25 | the_lord | yes |
| 05:12:38 | Hostile | and all those tagcache files are in .rockbox? |
| 05:15:51 | the_lord | yes |
| 05:16:24 | JdGordon | anyone awake know if it is bad to call the audio_fill_file_buffer() function from any other thread other than the audio thread? |
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| 05:22:59 | hcs | I'm working on compiling the itunesdb to tagcache converter for windows, we'll see how far I get... should shut a few people up. |
| 05:24:28 | Hostile | good luck |
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| 05:31:46 | the_lord | that converter works just fine in linux |
| 05:33:19 | hcs | yep, I use it myself |
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| 05:44:18 | heath | I'm running the latest firmware on my 3g ipod and I can't connect with my system through USB nor Firewire - any ideas? |
| 05:44:47 | heath | I have the errors from dmesg if that helps |
| 05:45:56 | heath | anyone alive? |
| 05:54:29 | the_lord | heath: here |
| 05:54:39 | the_lord | paste dmesg output |
| 05:55:28 | heath | usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 13 |
| 05:55:28 | heath | usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 39 |
| 05:55:28 | heath | usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 05:55:28 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK heath |
| 05:55:28 | heath | usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 05:55:28 | heath | usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 40 |
| 05:55:29 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 05:55:29 | heath | usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 05:55:31 | heath | usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 05:55:33 | heath | usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 41 |
| 05:55:35 | heath | usb 2-2: device not accepting address 41, error -110 |
| 05:55:37 | heath | usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 42 |
| 05:55:39 | heath | usb 2-2: device not accepting address 42, error -110 |
| 05:57:12 | JdGordon | reload the ohci_hcd module, and maybe the entire usb modle |
| 05:57:16 | JdGordon | or just reboot... |
| 05:57:20 | heath | ok |
| 05:58:09 | heath | I'll be back in a minute |
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| 06:04:28 | the_lord | heath: it worked? |
| 06:04:35 | heath | no same errors |
| 06:04:57 | heath | do I need to put the ipod in disk mode or something? |
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| 06:06:45 | heath | If I boot the apple firmware it works fine |
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| 06:13:42 | dseeba | Can rockbox resume playing the same song after restarting? |
| 06:14:05 | scorche | at the same place too = |
| 06:14:09 | scorche | ) |
| 06:14:52 | JerryLange | anybody know where i can get a used working 4g 20gb hard drive? anybody have a broken ipod around the house? |
| 06:15:14 | scorche | heath: that is very odd considering that anytime you connect it to the computer, it will use apple os |
| 06:15:18 | scorche | JerryLange: ebay |
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| 06:15:35 | heath | scorche, I reformatted it with fat32 |
| 06:15:56 | dseeba | scorche, right. It doesn't seem to work at the moment, but I wonder if I am missing something |
| 06:15:59 | heath | firewire has the same problem |
| 06:16:10 | scorche | dseeba: what device? |
| 06:16:17 | dseeba | ipod nano |
| 06:16:40 | scorche | heath: firewire isnt supported...you need to put the ipod in disk mode manually with firewire |
| 06:16:56 | heath | scorche, well that seems to working now |
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| 06:17:14 | heath | I have a feeling it might be because I'm using the USB cord from my Nano |
| 06:17:23 | heath | not the usb cord for the 3g |
| 06:17:23 | JerryLange | yeah i checked ebay but there pretty spendy on there. i think i want to find a cheap one for this ipod 4g till i get money for a 5.5g |
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| 06:17:45 | scorche | dseeba: well, assuming that you shut down cleanly (hold play), you should be able to resume by just by pressing play at startup |
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| 06:18:07 | scorche | heath: doubt it, but i do not know |
| 06:18:23 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 06:18:23 | * | heath shrugs |
| 06:18:28 | heath | I don't know either |
| 06:18:33 | scorche | the fact that it works "while using apple firmware" is very odd considering that we use apple's diskmode...like i said |
| 06:18:44 | heath | yup |
| 06:19:01 | scorche | JerryLange: well, i have no clue beyond that...we really dont deal with the spare ipod parts here =) |
| 06:19:02 | heath | so what program on Linux should I use to build play lists? |
| 06:19:13 | scorche | anything you like |
| 06:19:17 | scorche | mplayer? |
| 06:19:18 | dseeba | scorche: you're right that does work. Thanks alot. |
| 06:19:24 | scorche | not sure, bnut it shoudl create m3u |
| 06:19:28 | heath | does it just read m3u files |
| 06:19:32 | heath | ok |
| 06:19:38 | scorche | try it |
| 06:19:43 | scorche | if not, vim works =) |
| 06:19:51 | heath | vim always works |
| 06:19:54 | scorche | but i am sure there are plenty others |
| 06:21:19 | JerryLange | yeah i figured i checked spareparrts wiki on rockbox but nothing really just stuff wanted. |
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| 06:22:57 | Arc | howdy |
| 06:23:13 | Arc | anyone know if there's been any progress on supporting V5-late2006 (aka 5.5)? |
| 06:23:21 | Arc | ipod, i mean |
| 06:24:30 | scorche | Arc: any progress is being reported in the thread about it on the forums |
| 06:25:42 | Arc | which forum? |
| 06:26:05 | scorche | the rockbox forum |
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| 06:27:35 | telliott_ | Is A-B repeat working on the V1 recorder yet? I can't get on+RW or on+ff to do anything in A-B Repeat mode. |
| 06:28:02 | scorche | as to the yet part, it has been working there for a very long time |
| 06:28:24 | scorche | i havent checked whether it is in a working state atm (could be a bug) |
| 06:28:25 | telliott_ | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 06:29:45 | scorche | looks like play and left/right from the manual |
| 06:29:55 | scorche | let me check |
| 06:30:41 | scorche | errr...nvm...i have a build on my device that doesnt work =) |
| 06:30:48 | scorche | no time to build a new one atm |
| 06:30:58 | telliott_ | It works in 2.5 |
| 06:31:13 | heath | ok new problem, when playing it stops momentarily every 10 sec or so |
| 06:31:31 | JdGordon | have u got the peakbar showing on the wps? |
| 06:31:47 | scorche | heath: do you have eq on? crossfade on? peakmeters ont he wps? |
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| 06:33:40 | heath | scorche, all those are off |
| 06:34:27 | scorche | what wps are you using? |
| 06:37:41 | heath | just the default one |
| 06:37:45 | heath | I turned off scrolling |
| 06:38:01 | scorche | the default wps uses peakmeters |
| 06:39:04 | scorche | i would suggest you use a different custom one or icatcher |
| 06:39:44 | Arc | it sounds like 5.5 support is close but not here yet |
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| 06:51:15 | heath | ok, so reading the wiki it seems as though the ipod 3g has some issues, I should have read that a little more closer |
| 06:53:04 | andrewmel | I have had a good look but am having probelems finding sounds as signed shorts. I have seen some on the space invaders rock in the patches, but none of them are the "ding" sound I am looking for, any ideas? |
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| 07:03:58 | newbyx86 | hmm... |
| 07:04:01 | newbyx86 | dcron, fcron, or vixie-cron. |
| 07:04:04 | newbyx86 | thoughts? any gentoo users here? :p |
| 07:06:58 | heath | whenever I've installed gentoo I've always gone with vixie-cron |
| 07:07:06 | heath | cause that's what the docs suggested |
| 07:07:20 | newbyx86 | yea |
| 07:07:23 | newbyx86 | I am gonna go with dcron |
| 07:07:25 | newbyx86 | since that's what slackware uses |
| 07:07:30 | newbyx86 | i may try vixie cron in the future though :p |
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| 07:07:58 | heath | linux, its all about choice |
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| 07:08:37 | newbyx86 | yep |
| 07:08:42 | newbyx86 | lilo or grub.... I love both. I think I'll do grub. |
| 07:08:45 | newbyx86 | Now I'll have all 3 in the house. |
| 07:08:51 | newbyx86 | lilo on this, grub on that, and teh freebsd one on my laptop :D |
| 07:11:15 | JdGordon | midkay: i got your rebuffering idea working, and its great, except the disk doesnt spin very often in regular usage.. so there isnt heaps of benifit, but if you dont use dircache i think it would add heaps |
| 07:11:43 | midkay | JdGordon: that's cool - actually i just checked your last comment half an hour ago or so. |
| 07:12:09 | midkay | JdGordon: yeah, i don't expect huge improvements, but it's useful for whenever you might happen to (browsing around, launching plugins, etc). |
| 07:13:07 | JdGordon | yeah, ive got it queing up a rebuffer if it gets under 75% full... but the rebuffer isnt garenteed to happen, because it does depend on disk usage |
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| 07:13:37 | JdGordon | its on fs if u wanna check it out |
| 07:13:42 | midkay | right - not a major battery-life improvement, but just a kind of supplement for frequent browsers. |
| 07:13:50 | JdGordon | yeah, exactly |
| 07:13:52 | midkay | i don't have a compiler even right now, sorry.. |
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| 07:17:10 | midkay | one thing you might wanna do is add some option for it, btw.. choices like "Rebuffer on Disk Spinup" -> "Off", "Only Played Tracks", "All Played Buffer" (need to come up with a better name) and like.. "All Played Buffer When Buffer Below [x]%" where x = like 50, 25, .. |
| 07:17:46 | JdGordon | meh, that just complicates it... |
| 07:19:15 | midkay | well, all have their own benefits and disadvantages for people who play in different ways. off if you like to skip back a lot, only played tracks if you never go back a track but maybe skip around in the current one, all played buffer if you never rewind or skip back, and all played buffer on x% if you go by the idea of "it's really low, it'll be rebuffered anyways in just a moment". |
| 07:20:34 | midkay | maybe all aren't crucial, but it'd be very useful. Off/Only Tracks Played/All When Below 25%/All When Below 50%/All sound like good option names |
| 07:20:54 | midkay | i can code that up in the not-TOO-distant future if that's unappealing to you. |
| 07:21:06 | JdGordon | if the buffer has the next 5 tracks in the buffer, can you skip forward 3 and then back 2 and the buffer will still be usable? |
| 07:21:20 | midkay | yes, as it currently is. |
| 07:21:26 | midkay | you can skip around anywhere in the buffer. |
| 07:21:28 | JdGordon | oh, ok |
| 07:22:10 | JdGordon | anyway, this is completly useless unless something gets the disk spinning, which is why i say the options are really needed |
| 07:22:22 | midkay | so each option is useful for people who like to either backtrack, rewind, have the option to, or just listen straightforward - each seperately. |
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| 07:22:31 | JdGordon | the only time the buffer actually forces a rebuffer if it gets down to really low |
| 07:22:46 | midkay | you said 75% right? that sounds pretty high to me. |
| 07:23:55 | JdGordon | yeah, 75%.. i dunno, i was using this build for about 15min before and i doubt it rebuffered once because of this |
| 07:24:07 | JdGordon | because i didnt browse or skip at all |
| 07:24:40 | midkay | yeah, it's just a side-effect. people who don't browse or use plugins won't see any benefit whatsoever. |
| 07:25:34 | midkay | this is merely a bonus for anybody who is a browser or a plugin-er (?.. :) - and for the people who are, being able to tell Rockbox their listening habits out of five choices would be nice to have it work the way they want it to. |
| 07:26:04 | JdGordon | yeah, i guess we'll have to see what the swedes think : |
| 07:26:04 | JdGordon | D |
| 07:26:12 | midkay | e.g. we shouldn't assume that they never wanna skip back a track or even rewind, but if they never do skip back or rewind frequently enough to warrant keeping it in buffer, might as well fill it off completely whenever possible. |
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| 07:26:45 | midkay | yeah :) if they're cool with it, coding up an option for it won't be hard and it'd be very cool to see in cvs. i've never seen the feature elsewhere and i'm betting some people would like it. |
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| 08:05:02 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 08:14:26 | markun | hi Jungti1234 |
| 08:15:02 | Jungti1234 | oh, hi markun |
| 08:15:10 | Jungti1234 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6290 |
| 08:15:50 | markun | ok, thank Jungti, I will commit it. |
| 08:16:05 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 08:16:40 | Jungti1234 | I want now :) |
| 08:17:11 | markun | I'll do it now :) |
| 08:17:25 | Jungti1234 | OK! |
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| 08:18:14 | vertic23 | korean? |
| 08:18:21 | Jungti1234 | yes, korean. |
| 08:20:17 | markun | Jungti1234: done! |
| 08:21:00 | Jungti1234 | good, thanks |
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| 08:24:51 | Jungti1234 | hi aliask |
| 08:25:00 | aliask | Hi Jungti1234! |
| 08:25:05 | aliask | Long time no see |
| 08:25:07 | Jungti1234 | long time no see |
| 08:25:09 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 08:26:52 | aliask | :) |
| 08:27:47 | Jungti1234 | how are you? |
| 08:30:45 | aliask | Busy, I have my last exams for school this week, so I have to study lots |
| 08:31:14 | JdGordon | u dont have to study... yr12 doesnt mean anything.. |
| 08:31:39 | aliask | Except I need a decent ENTER to get into uni. |
| 08:31:50 | JdGordon | yeah.. apart from that.. |
| 08:31:53 | JdGordon | what dp u want to get into? |
| 08:32:02 | aliask | engineering prolly |
| 08:32:11 | JdGordon | boring :D |
| 08:32:34 | aliask | I know... but I just don't know what else I should do |
| 08:32:38 | aliask | What are you in? |
| 08:32:51 | JdGordon | you taking a year off? or going straight into uni? |
| 08:32:54 | JdGordon | software eng |
| 08:33:09 | aliask | Like it? |
| 08:33:13 | JdGordon | nope |
| 08:33:22 | JdGordon | i like programming tho, so im stuck here :p |
| 08:33:52 | aliask | Heh. |
| 08:41:59 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
| 08:42:05 | Jungti1234 | seeya |
| 08:42:17 | aliask | Seeya jungti |
| 08:42:23 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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| 09:02:20 | Gnelik | Hi! |
| 09:02:45 | aliask | Hiya Gnelik |
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| 09:15:15 | Gnelik | Bagder: may we use record button in e200 for other function not "Begin recording" |
| 09:15:18 | Gnelik | ?? |
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| 10:21:50 | Joely | hehe hi everyone!! i kinda took a soldering iron to my sansa...and i'm too afraid to try again....(i've been trying for like 3 weeks!) to get the jtag connected. sooo that means no jtag fun for me :( now i have this extra jtag wiggler if anybody needs one (it's for arm7 of course) |
| 10:22:52 | scorche | heh..why are you too afraid? |
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| 10:24:26 | Joely | because.... my hands shake from my medicine...and then i've tried like 7 times already...so the jtag part looks pretty well beaten up! |
| 10:24:48 | scorche | ah |
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| 10:31:39 | hcs | well, that took about 5 hours too long... |
| 10:31:53 | hcs | but I now have a windows binary of itdb2tc |
| 10:32:17 | Skyly | My h340 died plugged into a PC -_- |
| 10:32:53 | Skyly | as in the battery |
| 10:33:25 | dan_a | Woo! I've got a seems-to-be working Sansa NAND driver :D |
| 10:33:58 | JdGordon | wd dan_a |
| 10:34:03 | JdGordon | and hcs |
| 10:34:07 | JdGordon | and Skyly :D |
| 10:34:43 | Joely | that's awesome dan_a! |
| 10:35:07 | scorche | indeed |
| 10:35:14 | * | scorche claps |
| 10:35:21 | Skyly | what's a Sansa NAND driver do |
| 10:35:31 | Joely | that's the flash.... |
| 10:35:32 | dan_a | It's read only at the moment, and very ugly, so it'll be a little while before it's committed. And, of course, MrH did the hard work! |
| 10:36:02 | * | JdGordon wonders why MrH's help is acceptable, but gl.tters isnt |
| 10:36:11 | dan_a | Skyly: It means we can read what the disk. Very useful |
| 10:36:48 | dan_a | JdGordon: Who is gl.tter? |
| 10:37:20 | JdGordon | some guy who had some nice patches, but was never accepted because he wanted to stay anonymous |
| 10:38:09 | dan_a | MrH isn't contributing code, so I guess that is the difference. |
| 10:38:14 | hcs | clearly his full name is Mr H, like Mister T |
| 10:38:21 | JdGordon | hah |
| 10:38:31 | scorche | i dont know why...it could be because dan_a is making the actual patches and MrH is only guiding and helping (from what i hear) |
| 10:38:31 | JdGordon | dan_a: could be |
| 10:38:49 | * | scorche notices dan_a's previous message |
| 10:38:57 | * | scorche snaps his fingers |
| 10:39:36 | Joely | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_wall#Computer_science |
| 10:39:49 | Joely | most likely |
| 10:40:43 | Joely | ohh i'm so happy there will be NAND support! |
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| 10:41:42 | amiconn | dan_a: Iirc the Sansa flash uses SD protocol, but a proprietary extension for supporting >4GB (instead of the newer standard)? |
| 10:42:48 | dan_a | amiconn: That is correct. If you need to access above 4Gb, you need to do some kind of bank switch. |
| 10:43:04 | * | amiconn wonders how much of the functionality is shared between Sansa flash and Ondio MMC |
| 10:43:13 | amiconn | Yes, that's what I mean |
| 10:43:28 | amiconn | Maybe it's because there are 2 flash chips in the >4GB models? |
| 10:44:40 | dan_a | Possibly, or possibly the SD-flash bridge was designed before the standard was finished. I don't know yet. |
| 10:45:24 | dan_a | There isn't much shared between the Sansa and the Ondio, but now I've got it working I'm going to re-write the Sansa driver to be as similar as possible to the Ondio one. |
| 10:47:25 | JdGordon | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6117750.stm <- the last sentance there is funny :D |
| 10:48:05 | dan_a | LOL |
| 10:48:16 | scorche | hehe |
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| 11:03:53 | amiconn | dan_a: I don't think it's necessary, I just wondered because SD and MMC are very similar |
| 11:03:54 | markun | Skyly: so you can still boot it with the charget connected? |
| 11:04:21 | amiconn | The ata_mmc code is rather sh1-centric |
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| 12:07:47 | webguest59 | hello, i am facing a problem with my H10 20GB but i couldn't find it in the bug list |
| 12:08:23 | JdGordon | ... well... enlighten us.... whats the bug |
| 12:08:52 | webguest59 | when i enable the equalizer, playback starts having gaps |
| 12:09:22 | JdGordon | probably a known issue... the code isnt optimized enough |
| 12:09:29 | JdGordon | does the wps have the peakmeters? |
| 12:09:55 | webguest59 | no! oddly enough i turned them off because they caused the same problem! |
| 12:10:18 | JdGordon | yeah, it just means the code needs more optimization |
| 12:10:34 | webguest59 | so, what do I do? wait? |
| 12:10:52 | JdGordon | pretty much |
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| 12:11:22 | webguest59 | older daily builds didn't do that. sould I drop back to one of these? would you advise that? |
| 12:12:21 | JdGordon | how long ago did this start to happen? |
| 12:12:33 | webguest59 | um.. mustbe 3 days |
| 12:12:42 | JdGordon | what audio format is it? all ? mp3? |
| 12:13:02 | webguest59 | i tried it with mp3, ogg and flac |
| 12:13:18 | webguest59 | flac though didn't have aproblem |
| 12:14:10 | JdGordon | does the nov 2nd build work? |
| 12:14:45 | JdGordon | there doesnt look like much has changed in the last 3 days for the h10 and playback |
| 12:14:46 | webguest59 | i think not |
| 12:15:43 | JdGordon | if they are available, you should try the builds from nov 1 and 2 |
| 12:16:29 | webguest59 | well i'm pretty sure the oct 28,29 worked fine because they were the first ones i used. but is it a good idea to go sooo back? |
| 12:16:55 | JdGordon | the reason i suggest those two builds is so we can figue out what change broke it.... |
| 12:17:11 | webguest59 | oh ok |
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| 12:18:13 | JdGordon | there has only been about 5 changes to possibly related code since the 28th... so if you can try each build and let us know when it starts workgin again, we might be able to fix it |
| 12:18:45 | webguest59 | ok i'm on it |
| 12:18:51 | JdGordon | :) |
| 12:20:27 | nls | Trying to set up my ubuntu installation and have a linux-noob question, the rockboxdev script wants write access to /usr/something.. how do I give it that? |
| 12:21:10 | JdGordon | nls: try running it as root or with sudo |
| 12:21:23 | JdGordon | so $ sudo rockboxdev.sh |
| 12:21:28 | nls | smacks forehead... |
| 12:21:46 | nls | thx |
| 12:21:50 | JdGordon | np |
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| 12:23:26 | markun | over 2000 rockbox users on rasher's page! |
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| 12:28:03 | Soap | I need a core duo and broadband connection to see that page. |
| 12:28:27 | Soap | my 2ghz athalon chokes on it. |
| 12:28:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | Which page? |
| 12:29:41 | aliask | Rasher's rockbox people locator |
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| 12:30:08 | n1s | yay it works! |
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| 12:30:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | aliask: Ah, yeah on my prior laptop I'd get the "A script in this page is taking too long" 2 or 3 times |
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| 12:30:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Though oddly enough, I had no problem on this one, despite watching a video at the same time. |
| 12:31:03 | aliask | Yep... I guess the google maps API starts choking with so many entries |
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| 12:31:50 | ghost | hello, i have a strange problem on my ipod mini: i run the setup with RIX, and it says "ipod not found, sysinfo file does not exist". But it does exist, it's even freshly formatted!? |
| 12:32:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | ghost: Talk to the writers of RIX. That's not our software |
| 12:32:39 | webguest59 | well oddly enough i went back to oct 25 build and it still doesn't work. I'm starting to suspect that the wps is indeed the problem... although it has no peakmeters |
| 12:33:00 | ghost | is it complicated to install rockbox with boot loader without rix? just so i could try that |
| 12:33:02 | JdGordon | webguest59: or it could be the file... |
| 12:33:20 | n1s | webguest59: tried resetting settings? |
| 12:33:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | ghost: I don't consider it complicated, you might. I suggest reading the instructions and deciding for yourself. |
| 12:33:32 | Kasperle | JdGordon, n1s: the cleaner solution would've been to point the rockboxdev.sh script to some other location, IMO |
| 12:33:40 | webguest59 | yes I did |
| 12:34:12 | n1s | Kasperle: well it works now so I'm happy. |
| 12:34:21 | JdGordon | Kasperle: well.. depends if you want the toolchain to be installed for the system or just the user... i like system.. |
| 12:34:35 | webguest59 | still the gaps only happen when i enable the equalizer! |
| 12:34:38 | n1s | darn didn't have make installed.... |
| 12:35:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest59: The equalizer is very cpu intensive... |
| 12:35:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's why we actually recommend disabling it in several of the FAQs if you're getting gaps/skipping. |
| 12:36:20 | webguest59 | well, I stuck my ear to the player and noticed this: the sound plays and the disk spins. then the disk stops for a while and the sound plays normally. then a gap occurs and the disk starts spinning again.. |
| 12:36:34 | webguest59 | so i guess it has to do with the cpu |
| 12:36:53 | n1s | yes disk reading is pretty heavy for the cpu |
| 12:37:04 | webguest59 | pitty... |
| 12:37:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | The disk should only spin once every several minutes, at the most... |
| 12:37:42 | webguest59 | really? well in this case it spins once every few seconds! |
| 12:37:49 | Kasperle | JdGordon: true, it's not too bad with the toolchain, because it puts everything into a single arm-elf directory, so it's easy to "deinstall" it |
| 12:37:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | Are you sure the disk is spinning. |
| 12:37:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | Is the drive access indicator showing? |
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| 12:38:40 | webguest59 | no but i can hear it |
| 12:38:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | You can hear a noise. |
| 12:39:03 | webguest59 | yes, the typical noise a hard drive makes |
| 12:39:21 | webguest59 | like the noise it does when i browse through my files |
| 12:39:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Does the disk access indicator show then? |
| 12:39:34 | n1s | amiconn around? |
| 12:39:37 | webguest59 | nope |
| 12:39:43 | JdGordon | webguest59: go into menu > info > ebug > audio thread and watch the bottom bar when the audio pauses... does it ever get full? |
| 12:39:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Do you know where it shows and what it looks like? |
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| 12:40:05 | webguest59 | top right? |
| 12:40:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Does it ever show for you? |
| 12:40:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | Also, JdGordon's suggestion is a good next step. |
| 12:41:26 | webguest59 | no the bottom bar does never get full during a pause |
| 12:41:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then it's not buffering. |
| 12:42:11 | JdGordon | webguest59: does the bottom bar fll up at all? |
| 12:42:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well, wait, do you mean "it never fills up most of the way" or "it never reaches the top?" |
| 12:42:27 | webguest59 | it never reaches the top |
| 12:42:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | So it does try to fill up? |
| 12:42:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | How often does the bottom bar start increasing? |
| 12:43:21 | JdGordon | webguest59: about what percentage is the highest it goes? i may have a patch that you can try to fix this |
| 12:43:31 | webguest59 | seldom. it goes up to a limit and then stays there |
| 12:44:00 | JdGordon | webguest59: can u test a build ill do for u? |
| 12:44:00 | webguest59 | well i notice that the limit depends on the song i play |
| 12:44:55 | webguest59 | how do i exit audio thread?? |
| 12:45:01 | JdGordon | off? |
| 12:45:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | How often does the bottom bar start increasing? |
| 12:45:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or was that the "seldom"? |
| 12:45:25 | webguest59 | it was the seldom |
| 12:45:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | It should slowly go down over time, then increase to nearly full, then decrease over a period... etc. |
| 12:45:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's 'normal' behaviour |
| 12:45:55 | webguest59 | wow! nooo way! |
| 12:46:13 | JdGordon | webguest59: careful... sarcasm gets you ignored... |
| 12:46:26 | JdGordon | got an email addy? if u can test a build? |
| 12:46:36 | webguest59 | no, i mean that it never does that |
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| 12:46:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | It sounds like the watermark's way too high for some reason. |
| 12:47:11 | Bagder | dan_a: amazing work on the nand driver! |
| 12:47:11 | webguest59 | when the eq is off it works just as you describe! |
| 12:47:32 | JdGordon | webguest59: gimme your email... :'( |
| 12:47:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | JdGordon: Do you know why enabling the EQ causes this? |
| 12:48:06 | webguest59 | well it's a hotmail address, hope you can send: trayvyz@hotmail.com |
| 12:48:20 | webguest59 | no, frankly i have no idea. |
| 12:48:22 | JdGordon | Paul_the_Nerd: i assume the cpu cant keep up with both tasks... but if the disk tries spinning down while the buffer is between low and 70% then my patch could solve it |
| 12:48:46 | webguest59 | is your build recent? |
| 12:48:53 | JdGordon | brand new |
| 12:49:16 | webguest59 | well, really thanks for your effort! |
| 12:49:31 | JdGordon | ha, if this works i should be thanking you.... ok its sent |
| 12:49:43 | JdGordon | means ill commit the damn patch if ti solves this |
| 12:50:49 | webguest59 | um.. where exactly do i place this/ |
| 12:51:04 | webguest59 | in the root dir? |
| 12:51:07 | JdGordon | yes |
| 12:51:12 | webguest59 | and replace the old one? |
| 12:51:14 | JdGordon | overright the current rockbox.h10 |
| 12:53:34 | webguest59 | um.. well.. |
| 12:53:55 | webguest59 | sorry to disappoint you but it doesn't work.. |
| 12:53:56 | JdGordon | make sure u reboot if u went into usb while it was on |
| 12:54:04 | webguest59 | oh |
| 12:54:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 12:55:36 | webguest59 | still doesn't work.. guess i'll have to forget about eq on my model! |
| 12:55:50 | JdGordon | can u go back intot he aduio thread screen |
| 12:55:56 | JdGordon | does the bottom bar fill up more often? |
| 12:56:03 | webguest59 | eq on or off? |
| 12:56:08 | JdGordon | on |
| 12:56:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | webguest59: If you do, it's just a "for now" thing. The H10 has the same problems as the iPod in regard to EQ, and the problem can still be solved eventually either way. |
| 12:57:15 | webguest59 | i;m on the screen. now? |
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| 12:57:42 | JdGordon | watch the bottom bar, does it fill up before getting really low? or has nothing changed? |
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| 12:58:16 | webguest59 | nothing has changed. though, the gaps occur when the top bar empties |
| 12:58:25 | JdGordon | ok, damn |
| 12:58:45 | webguest59 | emptying is faster when there is light on my LCD |
| 12:58:46 | JdGordon | that would have been nice if it fixed it :p |
| 12:59:40 | webguest59 | thanks though for your effort |
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| 12:59:56 | webguest59 | have you located what the problem might be? |
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| 13:00:13 | JdGordon | us wantingg too much from the cpu |
| 13:00:22 | webguest59 | oh! |
| 13:00:42 | webguest59 | well it's strange because the original firmware had eq and srs too |
| 13:00:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | The original firmware could use the coprocessor |
| 13:00:59 | Bagder | and everything else |
| 13:01:07 | webguest59 | rockbox can't? |
| 13:01:07 | Bagder | since they have the docs |
| 13:01:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yep |
| 13:01:19 | webguest59 | oh.. that's bad |
| 13:01:21 | JdGordon | rockbox cant.. yet... |
| 13:01:31 | Bagder | webguest59: the PP chips are complicated beasts and totally undocumented for us |
| 13:01:45 | webguest59 | wow, guess what will happen when it will |
| 13:02:52 | webguest59 | how come are the pp chips undocumented? i thought that each chip has it's documentations, given by the company that makes it |
| 13:03:01 | Bagder | they don't reveal the docs |
| 13:03:08 | SoulDeaD | webguest59 i didnt read the conversation, whats the problem, pauses when playing? |
| 13:03:33 | webguest59 | pauses when playing and the equalizer is on |
| 13:03:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | PortalPlayer never even responded when I attempted to contact them regarding documentation. Not even a polite refusal. |
| 13:03:41 | Bagder | webguest59: the soc companies these days seem to be less and less likely to show docs to people without NDAs being signed first |
| 13:03:54 | merbanan | Bagder: is the bootloader in the PP based players still mapped in memory after boot ? ( with TEA keys and all) |
| 13:03:59 | SoulDeaD | and when the eq is off everything is allrighjt? |
| 13:04:01 | Bagder | merbanan: yes |
| 13:04:05 | webguest59 | yea |
| 13:04:07 | webguest59 | yes |
| 13:04:08 | SoulDeaD | aham |
| 13:04:17 | SoulDeaD | whats the player |
| 13:04:24 | Bagder | merbanan: at 0x10600000 according to MrH |
| 13:04:29 | webguest59 | an H10 20GB iriver |
| 13:04:33 | SoulDeaD | ahym |
| 13:04:46 | Bagder | on the sansa, that is |
| 13:04:53 | SoulDeaD | does the iriver have cpu frequency control and does rockbox control it? |
| 13:05:07 | Bagder | SoulDeaD: yes and yes |
| 13:05:39 | SoulDeaD | Bagder could the problem be incorrect behavior of the freq kontrol? |
| 13:05:44 | SoulDeaD | control |
| 13:05:46 | merbanan | Bagder: handy :) so then it should be quite possible to actually boot the original MI4 image from within rockbox |
| 13:05:49 | SoulDeaD | sorry for my bad english |
| 13:05:53 | Bagder | SoulDeaD: what problem? |
| 13:05:59 | JdGordon | webguest59: if you dont care about battery life there is another possible fix |
| 13:06:07 | SoulDeaD | webguest59s problem |
| 13:06:14 | SoulDeaD | pauses when playing and eq is on |
| 13:06:40 | Bagder | merbanan: yes, but I doubt we'll do it like that since it seems awkward to spare the ram area like that |
| 13:06:40 | webguest59 | well, i do care about battery life. i just want to have a normal mp3 player like everyone else |
| 13:07:04 | Bagder | SoulDeaD: no, the reason is not likely to be cpu freq related I'd say |
| 13:07:11 | SoulDeaD | ok |
| 13:07:32 | SoulDeaD | i just tried to suggest something :) |
| 13:07:36 | merbanan | Bagder: well you only need to save away the keys before using the ram |
| 13:07:44 | Bagder | merbanan: ah, right |
| 13:08:13 | Bagder | merbanan: but I think just doing a prescan once for the key is fine enough |
| 13:08:47 | webguest59 | hm, so i guess i'll wait for later builds till i can use the eq, right? |
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| 13:10:04 | SoulDeaD | i think so |
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| 13:13:39 | webguest59 | thanks a lot for your time everybody! you've been so helpful. i hope every chat-help room was like this! if i have anymore questions i'll come back |
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| 13:21:54 | Kasperle | alright. rockbox sorta running on my 30GB 5.5g iPod. |
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| 13:28:14 | * | amiconn wonders whether it'd be possible to have some kind of visual 'cvs diff' |
| 13:28:44 | amiconn | I would like something that displays the diff like viewcvs does, before committing stuff |
| 13:28:51 | Kasperle | amiconn: on what OS? |
| 13:28:56 | amiconn | winxp |
| 13:29:42 | JdGordon | there is a nice kde app which does that... go code one for xp if you really want one :D |
| 13:29:45 | Kasperle | hmmm. tried tortoisecvs and/or tkcvs? I'm not sure, they might provide such a feature |
| 13:30:10 | amiconn | That tortoise stuff is too much integrated with explorer for my taste |
| 13:30:42 | SoulDeaD | i think wincvs provides this option, but i am currently running linux and cannot check it |
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| 13:33:06 | Kasperle | is rockbox supposed to switch the ipod to disk mode instantly, when you connect the iPod to the PC? |
| 13:33:17 | JdGordon | amiconn: http://www.prestosoft.com/ps.asp?page=edp_examdiff maybe? |
| 13:33:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | Kasperle: Nearly instantly, yes. |
| 13:34:12 | Kasperle | can that behaviour be changed through the settings menu? i just want to charge it |
| 13:34:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Just hold Menu while inserting the cable |
| 13:34:53 | SoulDeaD | but you should know it charges slowly then |
| 13:34:59 | Kasperle | cool, thanks |
| 13:35:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | It may not even charge, depending on how much power you're using. |
| 13:35:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | It may just drain more slowly. |
| 13:36:36 | amiconn | JdGordon: That works locally... I guess the only ways are either using one of the graphical cvs clients, or using file comparison in conjunction with 2 working copies |
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| 13:43:56 | n1s | ARG! rockboxdev.sh keeps telling me to sett CC to point to a working compiler, but I did :-( |
| 13:45:05 | Kasperle | can you paste the exact error message to http://pastebin.ca? |
| 13:45:54 | n1s | http://pastebin.ca/239653 |
| 13:48:18 | Kasperle | what does echo $CC output? |
| 13:48:56 | n1s | /usr/lib/gcc-snapshot/bin |
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| 13:49:23 | n1s | I set it to that because gcc lives there |
| 13:49:31 | Kasperle | well, it should point to a gcc binary |
| 13:49:35 | Kasperle | not a path |
| 13:49:49 | Kasperle | why does it live in such an odd path btw? |
| 13:50:59 | n1s | Dunno I just installed it, and chose the snapshot because the older gcc versions had a bug that prevented building m68k-elf cross compiler on amd64 bit systems (wich I have) |
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| 13:51:41 | Kasperle | well, unset your CC variable and add /usr/lib/gcc-snapshot/bin to your $PATH, then try again |
| 13:53:14 | blue_lizard | hello all |
| 13:53:20 | n1s | still no go :( |
| 13:53:59 | blue_lizard | my code probably updates the code to often |
| 13:54:06 | Kasperle | is there even a "cc" in /usr/lib/gcc-snapshot/bin ? |
| 13:54:15 | blue_lizard | to avoid that i need a counter or an timer i can read |
| 13:54:30 | n1s | no... there is a ggc tohough... that's bad ? |
| 13:54:37 | blue_lizard | to be shure that i update the screen only every 1/3 second |
| 13:54:42 | Kasperle | maybe the rockboxdev.sh sets CC? try editing it, and setting CC to gcc |
| 13:55:21 | blue_lizard | is such an timer or counter easily accesible in rockbox? |
| 13:57:48 | Bagder | rockboxdev.sh doesn't complain about CC, that would be one of the configure scripts or something |
| 13:58:00 | Bagder | blue_lizard: there's a tick counter you can use |
| 13:58:09 | Bagder | HZ ticks per second |
| 13:59:23 | blue_lizard | Bagder: sounds good |
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| 14:03:09 | n1s | amiconn: is the gcc patch for the natice gcc or the cross gcc (on amd64)? |
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| 14:11:40 | amiconn | n1s: YOu mean gcc-3.4.6-amd64-subst.patch ? |
| 14:11:58 | n1s | yeah, it's for the cross compiler right? |
| 14:12:07 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:12:12 | n1s | thanks |
| 14:12:42 | amiconn | I don't know how rockboxdev.sh handles that; I didn't use it yet |
| 14:12:50 | amiconn | Always built my crosscompilers manually |
| 14:13:02 | n1s | I think it auto patches. |
| 14:13:46 | amiconn | The amd64 bug might be fixed in the gcc cvs trunk |
| 14:13:51 | n1s | YES! it works! |
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| 14:15:17 | webguest53 | hello\ |
| 14:15:23 | n1s | hello |
| 14:15:32 | webguest53 | can i get help with my ipod here? |
| 14:15:39 | n1s | maybe... |
| 14:15:49 | Soap | not if you don't ask the question ;) |
| 14:15:50 | webguest53 | ok |
| 14:15:53 | webguest53 | lol |
| 14:15:58 | webguest53 | well i juts installed rockbox |
| 14:16:05 | webguest53 | and it dosn't load past the opening screen |
| 14:16:08 | webguest53 | it just says rockbox |
| 14:16:13 | webguest53 | and never goes any further |
| 14:16:19 | n1s | what kind of ipod? |
| 14:16:25 | webguest53 | ipod photo |
| 14:16:29 | SoulDeaD | what version did you install |
| 14:16:38 | webguest53 | i installed the latest build |
| 14:16:50 | SoulDeaD | yesterday i synced to cvs version and build it, there was the same issue |
| 14:16:52 | Soap | A- did you install it from the command line following the manual/wiki or use one of the unofficial installers? |
| 14:17:03 | webguest53 | i did it from command line |
| 14:17:11 | blue_lizard | Bagder: did you mean the global variable current_tick? |
| 14:17:39 | Soap | B-not to as an insulting question, but did you unzip your chosen build to the root of your player, or only intstall the bootloader? |
| 14:17:44 | Soap | *not to ask |
| 14:17:49 | webguest53 | yes i did that |
| 14:18:05 | webguest53 | both |
| 14:18:08 | webguest53 | i did both lol |
| 14:18:21 | n1s | did you safely remove it before disconnecting usb? |
| 14:18:26 | | Part Paul_the_Nerd |
| 14:18:26 | webguest53 | yes i did |
| 14:19:08 | webguest53 | do u know if anything that i can do? |
| 14:19:08 | n1s | Can you get it into diskmode and re copy rockbox to it |
| 14:19:28 | webguest53 | how do i load into disk mode not in apples firmware? |
| 14:19:39 | amiconn | In what way does it say "rockbox"? |
| 14:19:43 | * | amiconn has a suspicion |
| 14:19:50 | webguest53 | on a yellow banner across the top |
| 14:20:10 | amiconn | And what happens afterwards? |
| 14:20:17 | webguest53 | nothing it jsut sits there |
| 14:20:20 | amiconn | (my suspicion was incorrect) |
| 14:20:24 | amiconn | For how long? |
| 14:20:25 | webguest53 | lol |
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| 14:20:35 | webguest53 | forever so far lol it hasn't changed to anything |
| 14:20:36 | SoulDeaD | have somebody crashed the original firmware of ipod nano? |
| 14:20:51 | amiconn | Hmm, that's odd... |
| 14:21:25 | webguest53 | on the bottom it says cvs-06115 if that means anything |
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| 14:22:26 | webguest53 | is there a way for me to boot into applesfirmware? |
| 14:23:53 | webguest53 | ? |
| 14:24:00 | webguest53 | or is there anything i can do? |
| 14:24:22 | SoulDeaD | you should reboot your ipod and hold menu while booting |
| 14:24:29 | Soap | webguest53 - A-Read the manual. B-reboot and hold menu while booting. |
| 14:24:33 | Soap | jynx |
| 14:25:46 | webguest53 | what do u think went wrong then because i am really interested in using this i have been using ipodlinux but am interested in using this because it seems more stable andusable to me |
| 14:26:47 | Soap | I honestly don't know what went wrong. |
| 14:27:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: are you around? |
| 14:27:17 | amiconn | Maybe there's a problem with the daily for the photo |
| 14:27:32 | webguest53 | ok ill try to uninstall and reinstall rockbox intirely and see if it happens again |
| 14:27:39 | webguest53 | do u have a recommended build i should use? |
| 14:27:40 | Soap | yea, try an older daily build. |
| 14:27:59 | webguest53 | just any older build? |
| 14:28:16 | Soap | no need to do more than delete the rockbox.ipod file and the .rockbox folder and extract a different build. |
| 14:28:31 | Soap | yea go back a day or two and see what happens. |
| 14:29:02 | webguest53 | ok |
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| 14:43:07 | ghost | hello, does rockbox for ipod 5g support album art in JPG? or better album art in the mp3 tag itself? |
| 14:43:15 | n1s | no |
| 14:43:28 | ghost | no- not now or maybe soon? |
| 14:44:22 | ghost | i have a lot of music with the cover IN the mp3 itself... |
| 14:44:22 | n1s | there's a patch that supports bmp coverart. And that might get commited someday but afaik no jpeg or embedded. |
| 14:44:53 | ghost | i hope that jpg will be implemented soon then - thanks |
| 14:48:31 | n1s | Argh! now it complains about m68k-elf-ar not being found but it's in the frigging path. |
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| 15:04:34 | webguest53 | ok i installed another build |
| 15:04:46 | webguest53 | and there is no way to play music and themes wont change |
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| 15:06:07 | webguest53 | can u help me with that? |
| 15:07:43 | webguest53 | s no? |
| 15:07:53 | webguest53 | yes no?* |
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| 15:08:13 | blue_lizard | i really dont know how thing run on ipod |
| 15:08:47 | blue_lizard | but for iriver h300 series there is an forum that provides rockbox builds that are absolutely known to work |
| 15:09:02 | webguest53 | well i don't have an iriver |
| 15:09:04 | webguest53 | lol |
| 15:09:08 | blue_lizard | maybe such thing is existing for ipods too |
| 15:09:33 | blue_lizard | well i have seen that you dont have an h300 |
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| 15:11:34 | Soap | webguest53 - What do you mean there is no way to play music? |
| 15:11:47 | Soap | forward and back go up and down the directory tree. |
| 15:12:00 | Soap | center button (select) selects/plays a track |
| 15:12:07 | Soap | menu takes you in and out of the menu |
| 15:12:25 | Soap | play takes you to the WPS from the file tree, and plays/pauses when in the WPS. |
| 15:12:45 | Soap | I suspect you are trying to use play as select instead of the center button. |
| 15:13:20 | Soap | you /really/ need to read the manual, or at least provide more details with the issues you are having. |
| 15:13:56 | blue_lizard | manual reading? pah, who needs such silly things |
| 15:14:35 | SoulDeaD | :P |
| 15:15:25 | SoulDeaD | explaining to everybody? pah, who do such silly things? |
| 15:15:32 | SoulDeaD | :) |
| 15:16:09 | * | amiconn agrees with Soap and disagrees with blue_lizard |
| 15:17:09 | blue_lizard | i see, beeing sarcastic is not understood in this channel |
| 15:17:31 | amiconn | Not always ;) |
| 15:17:37 | SoulDeaD | blue_lizard i understood you, i just was sarcastic too |
| 15:17:40 | SoulDeaD | :P |
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| 15:18:26 | Soap | dang it |
| 15:18:35 | Soap | I'd really like to know if he got it working. |
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| 15:18:47 | webguest52 | how do i uninstall rockbox |
| 15:19:20 | SoulDeaD | dint it work for you? |
| 15:19:29 | webguest52 | ? |
| 15:19:41 | Soap | did you see my lines on playing music webguest52 (ex webguest53 I assume?) |
| 15:19:51 | Lear | No BIGSTEP actions actually used in any keymaps... |
| 15:20:02 | SoulDeaD | you want to uninstall it because it didnt work for you i guess |
| 15:20:15 | webguest52 | no i didn't but i think im gunna go back to linux |
| 15:20:47 | SoulDeaD | aham |
| 15:21:06 | webguest52 | ? |
| 15:21:44 | SoulDeaD | did you keep a copy of bootpatition.bin? |
| 15:21:58 | SoulDeaD | offf |
| 15:22:10 | SoulDeaD | its for the nano, sorry |
| 15:22:18 | SoulDeaD | i am not familiar with any other player |
| 15:22:23 | SoulDeaD | what was yours? |
| 15:22:32 | webguest52 | ipod photo |
| 15:22:45 | webguest52 | i have a copy of bootpartition.bin |
| 15:22:57 | SoulDeaD | oki, let mi check what was the command |
| 15:23:32 | SoulDeaD | the last step of the manual - ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin |
| 15:23:44 | SoulDeaD | replace rockboot.bin with bootpartition.bin |
| 15:23:53 | webguest52 | just type that but replace n with the ipod number right? |
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| 15:23:56 | SoulDeaD | but let somebody confirm it |
| 15:24:02 | webguest52 | ok |
| 15:24:03 | SoulDeaD | because i havent done it before |
| 15:24:11 | Soap | yes |
| 15:24:14 | blue_lizard | anybody can hint me how to use the rockbox tick counter? |
| 15:24:35 | Soap | -w for write, -r for read. |
| 15:25:06 | SoulDeaD | and rockboot.bin for rockbox, bootpartition.bin for original firmware |
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| 15:26:55 | webguest52 | if i type that in command it will uninstall rockbox? |
| 15:27:40 | obo | blue_lizard: depends what you want to do - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxKernel#Tick_helper_functions may give you some hints |
| 15:27:46 | SoulDeaD | it will restore the original bootloader |
| 15:28:08 | webguest52 | does that mean it uninstalls rockbox? |
| 15:28:09 | SoulDeaD | then you may remove rockbox.ipod file and .rockbox directory |
| 15:28:28 | blue_lizard | obo: i want to write to the screen but not too often |
| 15:28:31 | webguest52 | ooooooo ok ty very much |
| 15:28:34 | SoulDeaD | this means you go back to the point before installing rockbox |
| 15:28:34 | blue_lizard | only 3 times a second |
| 15:28:43 | Soap | it uninstalls the bootloader, you need to manually remove the other files as said by SoulDeaD as my slow typing was tring to finish this. |
| 15:29:00 | SoulDeaD | webguest52 np |
| 15:29:03 | webguest52 | srry for bothering you it's just not for me i guess |
| 15:29:13 | SoulDeaD | wellcome back when you deside to install rockbox again :P |
| 15:29:24 | webguest52 | ok lol thx |
| 15:29:26 | webguest52 | bye |
| 15:29:30 | SoulDeaD | bye |
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| 15:34:47 | San | In the daily builds section you can download a build for "iPod Video", Does support all the iPod Videos? Or just 30gb - 60gb? |
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| 15:35:17 | lex_ | San: just 5Gs, 30 and 60 |
| 15:35:22 | lex_ | not the new 30 yet |
| 15:35:26 | Soap | it states many places, including the front page, that the so-called 5.5g is not supported. |
| 15:35:38 | San | ok, thanks |
| 15:35:46 | Soap | the late 2006 models, or whatever you want to call them. |
| 15:36:05 | San | how is progress making on the 5.5? |
| 15:37:46 | lex_ | it works on 30gig versions |
| 15:38:03 | lex_ | like on mine |
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| 15:39:23 | San | ok, thanks |
| 15:39:38 | lex_ | it works with a patched build |
| 15:40:16 | San | so 80gb support in the near future hopefully |
| 15:40:35 | lex_ | yep |
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| 15:41:26 | San | its just that I am stuck between buying an 80gb and a 60gb iPod... And i live by rockbox almost. I loved it on my H300 |
| 15:41:56 | San | I think I should just wait for the 5.5 support and get the extra 20GB space |
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| 15:42:51 | lex_ | yep |
| 15:42:58 | Deef | I'm kind of having trouble seeing how Rockbox greatly outweighs the iriver system |
| 15:43:36 | Deef | Today the battery went flat while it was hooked up to a PC.. things like that |
| 15:43:38 | San | Well, I can tell you why I prefared it. |
| 15:43:38 | blue_lizard | isnt it possible to clipple the 80GB down to 45GB for some time or such? |
| 15:43:47 | Deef | Tell me why heh |
| 15:43:56 | * | Deef sings Supermode - Tell Me Why |
| 15:44:27 | San | I used to use the record feature on the iRiver alot, and the rockbox recording is perfect, with wav recording and the clipping meter |
| 15:44:29 | Deef | Perhaps I expected too much from Rockbox |
| 15:44:33 | Deef | ah |
| 15:44:35 | San | and the codec support |
| 15:44:41 | Deef | well |
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| 15:45:00 | San | also, if you dont like something with it, you can just change it |
| 15:45:03 | San | :) |
| 15:45:12 | San | Very customisable |
| 15:45:15 | Deef | Well, yeah, but I'm quite fussy |
| 15:45:19 | Deef | I like things perfect |
| 15:45:30 | San | Read Misticriver and you will get lots of reasons |
| 15:45:35 | Deef | But I'm also afraid of spending too much time coding |
| 15:45:52 | San | thats a good thing.. for the rest of us. ;-) |
| 15:46:12 | Deef | I'm avoiding the urge to pick up programming again just to do every single thing I want to Rockbox |
| 15:46:24 | Deef | And I'd never finish |
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| 15:46:47 | Deef | Speaking of customisable... what about the interface |
| 15:47:00 | San | the most customisable |
| 15:47:03 | San | and very easy |
| 15:47:04 | Deef | That's probably the biggest cloud in my mind |
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| 15:47:21 | Deef | Like.. backdrops. Things that make it alot more intuitive about where you are and how to move around |
| 15:47:30 | lex_ | rockbox just needs a disk mode and a sleep mode to ipods and it's good |
| 15:47:41 | * | Paul_the_Nerd wonders what backdrops have to do with intuitive controls. |
| 15:47:41 | Deef | Isn't it just stuck with 1 backdrop and 1 WPS wallpaper? |
| 15:47:43 | lex_ | and probably the broadcom initialized |
| 15:47:50 | Deef | Alot Paul |
| 15:47:57 | amiconn | Haha, "just" a disk mode |
| 15:47:57 | San | http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35852&page=8 |
| 15:48:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: Care to actually explain? |
| 15:48:38 | Deef | Depends on how you are preparing yourself to receive it |
| 15:48:39 | lex_ | amiconn: just just |
| 15:48:42 | Deef | You seem pretty cynical |
| 15:49:04 | Soap | lex_ - and battery life. and second core working. and the serial interface would be a bonus. |
| 15:49:07 | Deef | If you only feel cynical I will only get a bad response |
| 15:49:07 | blue_lizard | now thats a reason to not explain something |
| 15:49:29 | Deef | If you are interested though, its cool |
| 15:49:29 | lex_ | Soap: yep yep |
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| 15:49:37 | blue_lizard | Deef: and you are afraid of bad responses? |
| 15:49:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: I just don't see how backdrops and controls are related. Which is why I've asked you to explain. |
| 15:49:53 | Deef | Not afraid, just not interested |
| 15:49:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm assuming you're suggesting they be used to provide some sort of visual feedback as to where the user is. |
| 15:50:08 | Deef | yeah |
| 15:50:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | But that doesn't actually tell a user how to control anything. |
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| 15:50:56 | Deef | That's like saying a street sign doesn't tell you how to get to the city |
| 15:51:18 | Deef | The easier it is to understand where you are, the easier it is to visualise the rest of the journey |
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| 15:52:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | Most users tend to already know where they are, and just don't know how to get anywhere else. |
| 15:52:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | Knowing where you are doesn't tell you what buttons to press, or what menu you can find an object in. |
| 15:52:35 | Deef | That's very generalised |
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| 15:52:52 | Deef | Nor does a street sign give you directions |
| 15:53:05 | amiconn | lex_: Things needed for disk mode (1) find out how the PP usb interface is accessed and work (very difficult since there are no docs available) (2) write a complete usb stack (device side), implementing the mass storage class |
| 15:53:10 | Deef | Intuition isn't about explicit |
| 15:53:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | If I tell you "You are in the city of Fredericksville. Get to the Longtown Cafe" can you, without further information? |
| 15:53:25 | Deef | nope |
| 15:53:33 | lex_ | amiconn: i know |
| 15:53:36 | Paul_the_Nerd | If a user sees they're in the main menu, what more information will a backdrop give them? |
| 15:53:39 | lex_ | amiconn: but it still just needs the disk mode ;) |
| 15:54:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm curious specifically how you see backdrops being integrated into the navigation. |
| 15:54:40 | Deef | I think you're still more cynical than curious |
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| 15:54:53 | Deef | Imagine different branches of navigation simply looking distinguishable |
| 15:55:04 | Deef | Just at a glance |
| 15:55:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | What branches do you divide the navigation into? |
| 15:55:15 | lex_ | hey, a bit offtopic, but i have got a noob mp3-player, which is like the random mp3-players, like s1, but i can't figure out where the firmware lies in there |
| 15:55:23 | lex_ | so does anyone know how to get it out or so? :o |
| 15:55:23 | Deef | For example, if I'm looking at my list of playlists.. |
| 15:55:32 | lex_ | there is only 1 partition, and it's the fat-partitio |
| 15:55:32 | lex_ | n |
| 15:55:38 | Deef | Am I in the playlist catalogue or the file browser? |
| 15:55:50 | Soap | same thing |
| 15:55:57 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: I don't know, what button did you press to get there? |
| 15:56:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: It sounds like you're assuming the user won't pay attention to what they're doing. |
| 15:56:17 | Deef | Exactly |
| 15:56:26 | Deef | Intuition isn't about explicit |
| 15:56:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, how will the user know it's the playlist catalogue from a background? |
| 15:56:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Are you planning on writing the words on it? |
| 15:57:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | Why not make use of the existing system for displaying the filetree path to show the menu path as well? |
| 15:57:15 | Deef | Simply different backgrounds will be easy to remember next time |
| 15:57:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | That gives the user a much clearer idea of where they are. |
| 15:58:10 | Deef | If the entire file browser has shades of blue in the background, while the playlist catalogue doesn't, it will be beyond obvious |
| 15:58:21 | Deef | They will just feel when they are in the place they think they are |
| 15:58:39 | Deef | Menu path is not intuitive enough |
| 15:58:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes, because it actually *says* where they are. |
| 15:58:49 | Deef | Words are too messy |
| 15:59:04 | Paul_the_Nerd | If the header on the screen says "Playlist Catalogue" they'll know even if they don't know what the backdrops mean |
| 15:59:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | What happens when they load a theme that doesn't make use of it? |
| 15:59:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | Why not keep it simple? |
| 15:59:44 | Deef | You're still being cynical. I'm not arguing that I have the best idea possible, nor trying to support everything anyone can do to break my idea |
| 15:59:56 | Deef | I'm saying it would be a good thing |
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| 16:00:23 | Paul_the_Nerd | It doesn't actually tell the user anything other than "you're in a different screen" though. |
| 16:00:27 | Deef | A header with the title would be good, but not more intuitive than graphics |
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| 16:01:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | You're misusing intuitive. |
| 16:01:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | Intuitive means that it can be known without observation or reasoning |
| 16:01:15 | Deef | No, I think you're confusing it |
| 16:01:17 | Deef | with "clear" |
| 16:01:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | Intuitive means that it can be known without observation or reasoning. |
| 16:01:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | By your own definition the user must observe that the backdrop is different in that screen, and reason that said difference is to distinguish it. |
| 16:01:58 | Deef | now you're misusing observation |
| 16:02:14 | Deef | That's the whole point, different backgrounds wouldn't have to be ... |
| 16:02:14 | Paul_the_Nerd | Oh? |
| 16:02:16 | Deef | Look |
| 16:02:19 | Deef | This is pointless |
| 16:02:27 | Paul_the_Nerd | How did I misuse observation? |
| 16:02:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | I agree that backdrops for different screens would be fun. |
| 16:02:47 | Soap | lets not argue semantics. |
| 16:02:56 | Deef | Yup |
| 16:03:26 | Deef | Basically, having different backgrounds that gave an easy feel as to where the user was is not a stroke of genius |
| 16:03:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | My point is simply that claiming it's intuitive is not an argument for this feature, since it very clearly isn't, as it's still something a user has to learn exists. |
| 16:03:30 | Soap | What are the arguments against different backdrops for the file tree and the menu? The extra lines of code? The fact no one has steped up to do it yet? Something else? |
| 16:04:02 | Deef | I think Paul just said it |
| 16:04:06 | Deef | In his cynical way |
| 16:04:15 | Deef | Graphics are more intuitive than text... |
| 16:04:16 | Soap | no need to call names either. |
| 16:04:32 | Deef | His way is cynical |
| 16:04:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: The fact that each extra backdrop image is a significantly sized chunk of audio buffer, possibly as much as 153k/per, that users don't get if the feature is included |
| 16:04:38 | Deef | He is not showing me respect either you know |
| 16:04:41 | Soap | Let us stop using the word intuitive until we look it up, and stop using cynical as an insult. |
| 16:04:43 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because Rockbox does not have dynamic allocation. |
| 16:05:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | Soap: I did look it up. I don't support my semantic arguments without a direct quote from a dictionary. |
| 16:05:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: How is my being critical of your idea in any way disrespectful of you? |
| 16:06:01 | Deef | Your tone |
| 16:06:14 | Deef | Before we conversed at all, your first address to me |
| 16:06:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: You and your idea are separate things, and just because I think your idea is not right for Rockbox (and actually the technical reasons are the main thing against it, as I said, I think it would be fun, so I was kinda hoping for a sound argument in favour) does not mean I dislike you. |
| 16:06:27 | Soap | I see no disrespect from Paul_the_Nerd, Deef, only a high threshold you must cross, as this has been discussed many times, and you're kinda playing catch-up with the ideas previously discussed. |
| 16:06:27 | Deef | Your tone suggested otherwise |
| 16:06:47 | Soap | There is no tone in text! |
| 16:06:51 | Deef | I disagree |
| 16:06:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: If you can hear me, I'm mightily impressed, because there was nothing but text coming from my end. |
| 16:06:57 | Deef | and disagree again |
| 16:07:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | And my first statement was of wondering what images have to do with controls. |
| 16:07:26 | Deef | And I'm not hugely excited about a conversation that requires me to argue every single thing I say |
| 16:07:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | I can't help how you choose to interpret my statements. |
| 16:07:44 | Deef | If you're only going to let me stand on the back foot, I won't get anywhere |
| 16:07:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: If you want to suggest a feature that will hurt the battery life of users in a significant way, you will have to defend it mightily |
| 16:08:06 | Paul_the_Nerd | At 153k *per* screen that gets a unique backdrop, your request is in no way small. |
| 16:08:29 | Deef | But this is not the points you first addressed me with |
| 16:08:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | True |
| 16:08:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | And if you read my above statement you'll see why. |
| 16:08:48 | Deef | There are many above statements |
| 16:08:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | I addressed with questions intended to get you to explain the parts of your suggestion I did not see. |
| 16:09:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | I was honestly curious what merits your idea had. |
| 16:09:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because to me, I could see it as fun, and something I find might be nice to have, but not useful enough by any stretch to warrant what is in fact a *very* large cost. |
| 16:09:24 | Deef | Backdrops add to intuitive feel |
| 16:09:30 | Deef | Very obvious merit |
| 16:09:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | A very small merit, even assuming proper use of the word. |
| 16:09:56 | Deef | I think a huge merit |
| 16:10:03 | Paul_the_Nerd | You're wrong though. |
| 16:10:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | I know this sound callous |
| 16:10:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | Allow me to explain before shouting at me. |
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| 16:10:31 | Paul_the_Nerd | Assume for a moment that we add unique backdrops to say, 8 screens total. |
| 16:10:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | This is a little over 1mb of RAM taken for backdrops |
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| 16:10:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | This is a very significant chunk of buffer space for audio |
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| 16:11:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Which means that this feature, whether used or not, will decrease the battery life of every single Rockbox user on a color screen target by a measurable amount. |
| 16:12:15 | Paul_the_Nerd | For the benefit of changing the "feel" of the software, but not adding actual functionality beyond a simple niceness of distinct screens, screens that can be distinguished in much cheaper ways. |
| 16:12:21 | Paul_the_Nerd | End explanation. |
| 16:12:31 | Deef | You haven't said why you think backdrops to not create a more intuitive feel |
| 16:12:46 | Deef | I never mentioned technical limitations |
| 16:12:52 | Deef | You asked why it would be more intuitive |
| 16:13:04 | Deef | *to=do |
| 16:13:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | Actually, I never received an explanation as to how it *is* intuitive. |
| 16:13:31 | Deef | Fair enough |
| 16:13:51 | Deef | But that doesn't mean tech specs are on topic |
| 16:13:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | Let alone your definition of the word, since it seems to disagree with that in the dictionary, and I can't be expected to know how you personally define it. |
| 16:14:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | So you're saying that the technical argument is irrelevant? |
| 16:14:27 | Deef | To the question you intially asked, yes. The question I am saying you were being cynical about, yes |
| 16:14:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | The discussion is "Is the idea of enough value to be included" which means a cost vs value analysis of said idea. |
| 16:14:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | I knew the cost. |
| 16:14:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | You did not |
| 16:14:56 | Deef | No, the discussion is not that |
| 16:15:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | I was curious as to your personal perceived value of the idea, since initially for me it was very low, so I inquired as to what gave you basis to value it. |
| 16:15:05 | Deef | It wasn't that until you took it there |
| 16:15:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | What you're missing is *why* I asked the questions I did, and are judging the discussion based solely on which questions I asked. |
| 16:15:57 | Deef | But I'm not responding to your reasons for asking questions |
| 16:16:02 | Deef | I'm responding to your questions |
| 16:16:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yes |
| 16:16:19 | Deef | I'm discussing why I think it would make a more intuitive feel |
| 16:16:24 | Paul_the_Nerd | So tell me that. |
| 16:16:29 | Deef | I'm not discussing its worth or viability |
| 16:16:39 | Deef | Do you agree? |
| 16:16:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Are you suggesting this idea for inclusion in any way? |
| 16:17:15 | Deef | Similar to the way I'd consider marrying a girl I'd just met |
| 16:17:26 | Deef | I'm not thinking about that yet |
| 16:17:40 | Deef | I am simply saying "This would be more intuitive, I wish it were so" |
| 16:17:56 | Paul_the_Nerd | Alright, explain how it is more intuitive. |
| 16:17:58 | Deef | And then responding to your debateable way of asking "Why do you think that" |
| 16:18:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | And if you aren't using the definition I pasted her, explain what meaning you use for it. |
| 16:18:07 | Deef | Alright |
| 16:18:12 | Paul_the_Nerd | here |
| 16:18:43 | Deef | pink background for menu branches, blue for browser branches |
| 16:18:59 | Deef | Looking at a screen full of playlist names, I know where I am |
| 16:19:05 | Deef | without thinking about it |
| 16:19:10 | Deef | That's all it is |
| 16:19:23 | Deef | Titles and branch paths for menus would all be excellent too |
| 16:19:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | Any list of files, even when spawned from the menu, is actually a sub-browser. |
| 16:19:44 | Paul_the_Nerd | Much like the plugin list. |
| 16:20:16 | Paul_the_Nerd | So, it wouldn't help much with your playlist plight, unfortunately. |
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| 16:21:11 | Deef | It would help |
| 16:21:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | Any list of playlists would be blue still. |
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| 16:21:51 | Deef | That is a technical limitation then |
| 16:22:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | It's probably able to be worked around, though. |
| 16:22:26 | Deef | Assuming it was, do you see or not see the improvement it would make to ease of use |
| 16:22:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | I never said it wouldn't improve ease of use. |
| 16:23:02 | Paul_the_Nerd | I said that it does not make navigation more intuitive. |
| 16:23:50 | Deef | There aren't many other ways in which colours can aid navigation... |
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| 16:25:06 | SoulDeaD | colors cannot aid navigation |
| 16:25:12 | SoulDeaD | i dont see green |
| 16:25:29 | SoulDeaD | have you hear about color deficient vision? |
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| 16:25:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Navigation involves moving, your colour system is beneficial to a user knowing where they are, but does not improve their faculty to navigate, just the possibility that they know their starting point (not always even essential since in Rockbox it's easy to get to a common starting point) |
| 16:25:47 | Deef | ? |
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| 16:26:30 | Deef | This is a very little concept |
| 16:26:41 | Deef | Which is taking pages for you to either see, or admit you see |
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| 16:26:55 | Deef | Apologies if its the former |
| 16:27:20 | Paul_the_Nerd | The problem is that you seem determined to use words for meanings other than their dictionary meaning, and since I cannot read minds, I can't know your intent with them. |
| 16:27:39 | Deef | That is not the problem |
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| 16:28:29 | markun | SoulDeaD: I also have a problem seeing colours, still they can help |
| 16:28:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | Seeing as my whole argument as *not* been against your idea, but that it does what you say it does, yes it is the problem. |
| 16:29:10 | Deef | No its not |
| 16:29:19 | SoulDeaD | there are other ways... |
| 16:29:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | Then what, pray tell, is the problem? |
| 16:29:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Please, I've yet to hear *your* definition of intuitive. |
| 16:29:37 | SoulDeaD | icons, blinking rectangles, circles or whatever |
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| 16:29:45 | Deef | And I'm not jumping onto the back foot again to argue a point that isn't going to move the subject along |
| 16:29:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | SoulDeaD: A header at the top of the screen that simply tells you where you are. |
| 16:30:02 | Deef | You would have to read the header |
| 16:30:18 | Deef | In the iriver system, the playlist and file browser both have titles |
| 16:30:18 | SoulDeaD | Paul_the_Nerd i dont argue, i have no problem navigating |
| 16:30:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: The point is you don't seem to know the proper meaning of the word intuitive. Even with your system, a user has to notice that the screens change, and as well notice that the changes actually align to specific screans, an act that takes reasoning, breaking the definition of "Intuitive" |
| 16:30:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | SoulDeaD: Well, only the filetree has headers at the moment. |
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| 16:31:22 | markun | Deef: do you know how to program? |
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| 16:31:36 | Deef | Yeah |
| 16:31:45 | mrsnazz | Is there a pre-built Julius (jbuild) w/ frequency scaling disabled (for ipod photo...) |
| 16:31:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: I've admitted that I like your idea, I've admitted that I think it would be beneficial to users. My *only* argument against it has been that it is not what you say it is, an increase in intuitive navigability. |
| 16:31:54 | Paul_the_Nerd | What exactly do you want from me? |
| 16:31:56 | markun | perhaps you should just give your idea a try. |
| 16:32:16 | Deef | I would like you to understand that knowing where you are makes it easier to know how to get to the next place |
| 16:32:17 | SoulDeaD | markun good point :P |
| 16:32:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | mrsnazz: Any unsupported builds should be found in the forum. |
| 16:32:38 | mrsnazz | Paul_the_Nerd: thanks... |
| 16:32:56 | Deef | We are not discussing viability markun |
| 16:33:13 | markun | ok |
| 16:33:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: I never actually said that knowing where you are does not make it easier to know how to get anywhere else. My counterexample only showed that further knowledge is still necessary. |
| 16:33:36 | Deef | Furthermore, different colours in different places make it more intuitive to know where you are |
| 16:33:40 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: Knowing that you're in the menu system still tells you very little, and whether it makes it easier or not, does not make it more *intuitive* |
| 16:33:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: Please, stop and define intuitive if you insist upon using the word here. |
| 16:34:07 | Deef | You don't think about it |
| 16:34:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | I've given you a definition out of a dictionary, and every time you use the word it's clear that your use is contrary to the definition. |
| 16:34:26 | Deef | your mind only goes "I am in pink" without you consciously noticing |
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| 16:34:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | That's not intuitive. |
| 16:34:47 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because you have to learn what pink means *first*, and then you don't need to think about it after you learn. |
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| 16:36:15 | Deef | How is that not more intuitive? |
| 16:36:41 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because the very definition of intuitive means that the behaviour does not have to be learned in any way. |
| 16:36:41 | Deef | Yes you do have to learn first |
| 16:37:03 | Deef | Then it is you who is misusing the word |
| 16:37:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | intuitive: adj, obtained through intuition rather than from reasoning or observation |
| 16:37:39 | Deef | This is also a good reason for why I won't get into the semantics debate |
| 16:37:57 | Deef | When we discuss things, I need us to not be robots |
| 16:38:13 | Paul_the_Nerd | intuition: n, The act or faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes; |
| 16:38:18 | Paul_the_Nerd | Therefor, NOT LEARNED. |
| 16:38:21 | Deef | If we converse by interpreting via dictionaries, we can not discuss well |
| 16:38:33 | Paul_the_Nerd | Actually, if we discuss by speaking the same language, we can |
| 16:38:43 | Deef | But we can't if you live off a dictionary |
| 16:38:45 | Paul_the_Nerd | But clearly you seem to want to use non-English definitions of words which makes it quite difficult. |
| 16:38:55 | markun | Paul_the_Nerd, Deef: Can't you discuss this in private? |
| 16:39:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | What am I supposed to do? Guess what words mean, rather than using what the English language tells me the words mean? |
| 16:39:08 | * | Paul_the_Nerd drops it. |
| 16:39:10 | Paul_the_Nerd | I'm done. :) |
| 16:39:26 | * | jhMikeS thought he was the king of semantics according to preglow :) |
| 16:39:38 | Paul_the_Nerd | markun: I apologize for wasting the space. |
| 16:39:40 | Deef | You're supposed to consider the meanings it might have, open your mind to what idea I might be trying to transmit |
| 16:39:45 | Deef | Not look up a dictionary |
| 16:39:58 | Paul_the_Nerd | jhMikeS: I just find it very frustrating when people seem to think I ought to *guess* what words mean, and somehow I'm wrong for expecting words to mean what they *actually* do. :) |
| 16:39:59 | jhMikeS | transmitting ideas? a new rb function? |
| 16:40:19 | Deef | If we use the dictionary definition, intuitive can not be done |
| 16:40:34 | markun | Deef: just PM Paul_the_Nerd |
| 16:40:47 | Deef | Well, it was his question |
| 16:40:58 | Deef | I imagine he's not so interested anymore heh |
| 16:41:03 | markun | no :) |
| 16:41:20 | jhMikeS | that's right, you don't want me interjecting senseless crud :) |
| 16:45:50 | Deef | Well, I will go back to my initial problem then |
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| 16:46:30 | Deef | Ignoring different backgrounds, what customisation options are there that can make navigation easier? |
| 16:47:09 | Paul_the_Nerd | At the moment, the only two are enabling the scrollbar (which is on by default) and icons for files (differentiates them clearly from menus) again on by default. |
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| 16:48:46 | Deef | Is there likely to be more options? |
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| 16:48:56 | Deef | Anything coming up you might know about? |
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| 16:49:50 | Paul_the_Nerd | Deef: Most of the development focus is on functionality, nobody who's expressed interest in improving the interface has actually done anything about it. |
| 16:50:03 | Deef | gweh |
| 16:50:05 | markun | Deef: they might be in the patch tracker (under "User Interface" I guess) |
| 16:50:32 | Paul_the_Nerd | Most time gets spent on getting hardware working, fixing playback bugs, etc. |
| 16:50:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | The menus are clearly navigable. They aren't as easy or quick as they could be, but they're quite far from unusable, so there are a lot of things that are higher priority. |
| 16:51:00 | Deef | Fair enough |
| 16:52:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | Especially since Rockbox hasn't been "released" on anything with even a 2-bit screen yet so the current system is pretty much the old system for the Archos releases, just sorta stretched out across newer features and such. |
| 16:52:16 | Deef | heh |
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| 16:52:41 | Deef | I've only had my H340 for a week but the navigation hurts I find |
| 16:53:48 | Paul_the_Nerd | I personally have never had a problem with it, honestly. |
| 16:53:49 | Deef | I think out of all the bugs, this is what makes me most undecided about using it |
| 16:54:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | What about the navigation actually causes you problems? |
| 16:54:46 | Soap | I don't think you will find yourself using the main menu much after a couple of weeks. |
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| 16:54:52 | Soap | FWIW |
| 16:54:59 | * | amiconn thinks that rockbox navigation is quite intuitive, _especially_ compared to stock iriver firmware |
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| 16:55:33 | amiconn | Not styled to death, but functional |
| 16:57:11 | Paul_the_Nerd | The problem with "intuitive" is that it differs from person to person. Everything did what I expected it to do, pretty much, so it was mostly intuitive for me. |
| 16:58:00 | Paul_the_Nerd | But if Deef's having actual problems with the navigation, I'm curious exactly where they're happening. |
| 16:58:24 | Deef | Mainly with playlists I think |
| 16:58:32 | Deef | I've been messing with them all week |
| 16:58:32 | amiconn | jhMikeS: When we can get away with the same transfer timing as on H300, lcd updates with dma would be 6% slower on X5 than the corresponding values on H300 |
| 16:58:56 | Deef | I can never tell what I have to press to get back to the WPS |
| 16:59:11 | Deef | or to view the playlist, or something around that area |
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| 17:00:03 | Deef | Like... |
| 17:00:27 | Deef | Hold Navi, playlist, view current playlist = tap <−− to reach WPS |
| 17:01:25 | Deef | Press A-B, playlist options, view current player != tap <- to reach WPS |
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| 17:01:48 | Deef | I look at that screen and not know to do |
| 17:02:05 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well that would actually qualify as a bug, I think. |
| 17:02:43 | SoulDeaD | i press play to return to wps... |
| 17:02:47 | Deef | Well, the latter cycles you back through the menu |
| 17:03:16 | Deef | SoulDead.. in both examples above, Play does not return to WPS |
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| 17:03:36 | SoulDeaD | sorry, i didnt read them, just a sec |
| 17:04:10 | Deef | In the second example, tapping left simply cycles you back through the menu |
| 17:04:22 | Paul_the_Nerd | It should in the first as well |
| 17:04:36 | Deef | ah |
| 17:04:52 | Paul_the_Nerd | Left should always back you down the menu tree. |
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| 17:05:52 | Deef | If you hold NAVI, it seems left always goes instantly to the WPS |
| 17:06:07 | Paul_the_Nerd | Definite bug in the context menu then. |
| 17:06:11 | Deef | Righto, cool |
| 17:06:34 | Deef | Yeah, can't find a place where left doesn't do that |
| 17:06:37 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yup, if called from the filetree, left returns you to the tree. |
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| 17:08:14 | Deef | Another example is |
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| 17:10:42 | Deef | I see that a list of files has icons, and a filepath up the top, while a playlist of those same files has numbers and no file path |
| 17:11:18 | Deef | That causes me grief, I guess I feel the difference is too small |
| 17:11:30 | Paul_the_Nerd | Because a playlist is a list of files... the numbers show you where in the playlist they are. You aren't in a filetree any more, you're viewing the playlist... |
| 17:11:54 | amiconn | You can enable the playlist option to display full paths |
| 17:11:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | Yup |
| 17:12:12 | Deef | I'm saying that I realise they are different |
| 17:12:20 | Deef | But that I never notice the difference |
| 17:12:35 | Paul_the_Nerd | Well it sounded like the complaint was that they aren't the same... |
| 17:12:49 | Deef | Sorry heh |
| 17:12:51 | Paul_the_Nerd | Or is it that there's not enough difference visible? |
| 17:12:54 | Deef | That they're too the same |
| 17:12:57 | Deef | yes |
| 17:13:17 | Paul_the_Nerd | What should probably be up top is the filename of the playlist. "Blah.m3u" or something. |
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| 17:13:36 | amiconn | A playlist doesn't always have a filename |
| 17:13:42 | Paul_the_Nerd | "Dynamic" |
| 17:13:44 | amiconn | Dynamic playlists don't |
| 17:13:54 | amiconn | ...and that's what I am using, exclusively |
| 17:13:55 | Deef | Just a fat icon somewhere or something would be nice |
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| 17:14:08 | amiconn | A fat icon takes away display space |
| 17:14:17 | Deef | yeah |
| 17:14:19 | Paul_the_Nerd | I think the fact that numbered lists are never used in filetree is a strong clue. But that's a matter of preference. |
| 17:14:46 | Paul_the_Nerd | Though I guess you could end up with one if you disabled icons and had numbered filenames... |
| 17:14:55 | Deef | Its more that I don't read the text at all |
| 17:14:57 | Deef | I glance |
| 17:15:16 | Deef | and discover I have to think |
| 17:15:22 | Deef | but try to avoid it anyway heh |
| 17:15:33 | Deef | then press play and accidentally fire off a new playlist |
| 17:15:58 | jhMikeS | amiconn: nice ;) |
| 17:16:20 | amiconn | ? |
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| 17:16:54 | jhMikeS | "a fat icon takes away display space" - just me noticing a pun |
| 17:18:33 | * | amiconn doesn't understand |
| 17:18:51 | jhMikeS | If the icon is "fat" is should be rather large, no? |
| 17:19:08 | amiconn | Yes, and that takes away display space... |
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| 17:19:36 | jhMikeS | or you mean FAT? |
| 17:19:37 | * | Deef completely fails to remember how to get to the playlist on the iriver firmware |
| 17:20:31 | * | jhMikeS is talking in his sleep again |
| 17:20:43 | San | press the ab button on the main playing screen |
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| 17:21:55 | Deef | A-B loop mode |
| 17:22:23 | Deef | holding it is making the "set" text appear next to "User EQ" |
| 17:22:41 | San | you want to access playlists right? |
| 17:22:48 | Deef | yeah |
| 17:22:50 | San | try the record button |
| 17:23:02 | San | one of thoes buttons does it |
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| 17:23:06 | Deef | yeah |
| 17:23:10 | Deef | ... something's changed |
| 17:23:12 | Deef | Had it before |
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| 17:23:19 | San | hhhhhm |
| 17:23:28 | Deef | Tap record is repeat modes, hold is feature menu |
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| 17:23:56 | San | tap the a-b button |
| 17:24:00 | San | when no song is playing |
| 17:24:27 | Deef | ahhh |
| 17:24:35 | * | jhMikeS wonders why so much in the global_settings structure isn't carefully conditionally compiled like the bit table entries. many members are not needed by everything. |
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| 17:26:32 | amiconn | jhMikeS: global_settings exists for I don't know how long, and back in the archos-only days, Linus said that having less conditionals is better that saving a few bytes |
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| 17:27:21 | amiconn | But I think global_settings should be ifdefed properly, although it matters less than you might think |
| 17:27:31 | amiconn | global_settings is bss data |
| 17:28:09 | Deef | San, still around? |
| 17:28:37 | Deef | Or anyone know what else I can customise besides fonts, WPS and backdrops? |
| 17:28:39 | jhMikeS | I didn't think it was a critical space issue just like you said, ifdefed properly. Saves something |
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| 17:29:29 | jhMikeS | should probably be in the same order in both imho |
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| 17:35:31 | amiconn | jhMikeS: There's a pitfall with shuffling global_settings around, btw. |
| 17:35:51 | amiconn | global_settings is exported to plugins, so reordering it means an incompatible api change |
| 17:36:16 | amiconn | -> both api version and min api version need to be bumped |
| 17:40:47 | SoulDeaD | i just installed skyeye emulator |
| 17:40:58 | SoulDeaD | i still have not read the documentation |
| 17:41:12 | jhMikeS | hmmm, forgot about that. my changes may already make them incompatible then. I didn't add anything to the plugin api but did add add stuff to global_settings that should be sorted. |
| 17:41:12 | SoulDeaD | but can somebody tell mi could it be useful? |
| 17:43:40 | jhMikeS | rec_format directly replaces rec_quality for SWCODEC but perhaps the encoder settings should just go at the bottom :\ |
| 17:44:53 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It's probably not that important (yet). Afaik the only global setting referenced in plugins is the backlight timeout, so as long as that one keeps its position, there shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:45:17 | amiconn | Hmm, for hwcodec a couple of sound settings are also referenced, in the wavplay plugin |
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| 17:49:02 | jhMikeS | I'll search it to find out |
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| 17:55:37 | jhMikeS | it's more complicated than that, batter_bench, alpine_cdc and probably many others |
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| 17:57:57 | cas | i just installed rockbox on my grayscale ipod 4g, however it just boots the apple firmware directly |
| 17:58:06 | cas | any idea what i have done wrong? |
| 17:58:08 | jhMikeS | I'll either bump the version or put it at the end instead of stick it somewhere in the middle, I'll put a note in to avoid the pitfall too |
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| 17:59:28 | Soap | cas - sounds like you didn't install the bootloader. |
| 17:59:33 | Moos | Hi there ! |
| 17:59:36 | Soap | Do you see the rockbox logo when you boot? |
| 17:59:55 | cas | nope |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:07 | Soap | then your bootloader isn't installed. |
| 18:00:10 | Soap | though |
| 18:00:14 | cas | ah, stupid me |
| 18:00:17 | cas | found it |
| 18:00:18 | Soap | have you rebooted you ipod since installing? |
| 18:00:32 | cas | i didnt change sdb to sda on the last command |
| 18:00:47 | cas | installed the bootloader on the wrong device :/ |
| 18:01:04 | Deef | lol |
| 18:01:08 | Moos | jhMikeS: hi, is your big patche coming up? :P |
| 18:01:24 | SoulDeaD | cas which is this wrong device? :) |
| 18:01:34 | * | Deef waits to see cas' mobile boots into Rockbox |
| 18:01:41 | SoulDeaD | a harddrive? |
| 18:03:01 | cas | heh, no |
| 18:03:10 | cas | nothing there |
| 18:03:12 | cas | lucky me |
| 18:03:13 | cas | :> |
| 18:03:21 | SoulDeaD | lucky you :) |
| 18:03:41 | jhMikeS | Moos: yeah, just trimming now irrelevant stuff out |
| 18:04:25 | amiconn | Anyone here who tried doom on (any) ipod, or h10? |
| 18:04:35 | markun | jhMikeS: which patch? |
| 18:04:39 | markun | hi Moos |
| 18:04:41 | SoulDeaD | i played it on ipod nano |
| 18:04:52 | Moos | hello markun |
| 18:05:02 | Moos | markun: recording rework |
| 18:05:11 | amiconn | There is a bug I am observing on ipod mini, but not on iriver or X5: The tranmap is built every time, when it should use a cached version |
| 18:05:37 | amiconn | I would like to know whether this also happens on other little endian targets |
| 18:06:21 | SoulDeaD | how can i help you? |
| 18:06:58 | * | Moos is wondering if it will see one day how rockboy looks on his X5 :) |
| 18:07:04 | amiconn | Just start doom, and start playing. |
| 18:07:29 | amiconn | While it initialises the first time, there is a part in the startup message junk that takes quite a while |
| 18:07:55 | SoulDeaD | sec |
| 18:07:58 | amiconn | It says: "Please wait: tranmap bulding", then counts down: "Computing: 8", "Computing: 7" etc |
| 18:08:09 | Deef | Doom makes my hands hurt on the h300 |
| 18:08:19 | Deef | Who designed such cramped buttons |
| 18:08:29 | amiconn | It should only do this the first time you start doom, or after removing /games/doom/tranmap.dat |
| 18:08:51 | amiconn | On my mini it appears everytime |
| 18:08:51 | SoulDeaD | it will take some time becaus i have to copy the files first |
| 18:12:09 | jhMikeS | markun: the recording changes |
| 18:12:44 | SoulDeaD | ok |
| 18:14:21 | SoulDeaD | uff i messed something |
| 18:14:27 | cas | woo, now it worls fine :) |
| 18:17:30 | SoulDeaD | amiconn ok, now when i select play game the first time tranmap.dat is created |
| 18:17:49 | SoulDeaD | the goal is to see if the next time its recreated? |
| 18:17:52 | amiconn | Yes, that's normal |
| 18:18:21 | amiconn | But for subsequent starts it shouldn't appear again |
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| 18:18:58 | SoulDeaD | nope, theres no promlem on the nano |
| 18:19:21 | amiconn | SO it doesn't appear a second time? |
| 18:19:43 | SoulDeaD | i think the previous version of rockbox lets say some time around 20th october there was no such problem |
| 18:19:49 | SoulDeaD | it does not |
| 18:20:05 | amiconn | odd |
| 18:20:06 | SoulDeaD | it takes too long time for me to be unnoticed |
| 18:20:42 | SoulDeaD | i use freedoom if its is important |
| 18:20:42 | amiconn | Yes it takes quite a while |
| 18:21:18 | amiconn | The problem isn't new, it has always been like that on my mini since I made doom work on it (by porting the grayscale lib) |
| 18:22:46 | SoulDeaD | the first time i have started doom i havent noticed this delay but i have started it several times and i would have been noticed it, so i think the problem is somewhere in you port |
| 18:25:08 | amiconn | Huh? Now the problem is gone, after deleting tranmap.dat to force a clean rebuild... |
| 18:25:55 | amiconn | Haha, I know why... |
| 18:26:03 | SoulDeaD | :) |
| 18:26:11 | amiconn | There _is_ a bug in the tranmap cache code |
| 18:26:44 | amiconn | If there is no tranmap it gets rebuilt cleanly, but if there is one that's faulty, it gets recalculated but saving doesn't work, |
| 18:26:59 | amiconn | because it's opened with O_RDONLY ! |
| 18:27:13 | amiconn | sic! |
| 18:28:57 | * | amiconn goes to verify his theory |
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| 18:29:40 | Lear | Anyone tried a Cygwin simulator lately? Mine freezes during startup... |
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| 18:33:51 | Lear | Ah, just a crappy settings sector, it seems. |
| 18:36:16 | AdamKili | i put rockbox on a friends iPod (with permission) and now everyone who sees it wants it! but I have to tell them it's a bit of a technical installation, so keep up the good work on rockbox, and when u make an installer for it I'll tell everyone that it's easy to install now! |
| 18:36:26 | Lear | He, graphical eq doesn't seem to work in the sim... |
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| 18:43:22 | Gnelik | hi all! |
| 18:49:13 | n1s | hi |
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| 18:51:00 | cas | a recommended theme for a b&w 4g? |
| 18:51:01 | amiconn | Lear: Something is clearly wrong with the settings. If I start my mini2g sim with sector3D.bin removed, it works, but if I then just set the language to german, quit the sim and restart, it hangs... |
| 18:51:24 | * | n1s hits gcc with a sledgehammer |
| 18:51:48 | Gnelik | amiconn |
| 18:51:57 | Gnelik | I have this |
| 18:52:05 | n1s | Any linux/gcc wizards around with time for helping a linux noobie? :-) |
| 18:52:15 | Gnelik | problem too after changing language tu russian |
| 18:52:30 | Gnelik | n1s: aks |
| 18:53:00 | Gnelik | ask |
| 18:53:20 | n1s | Gnelik: well it tells me that m68k-elf-ar is not found when making gcc but it is in the PATH |
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| 18:54:33 | Gnelik | try to run it without arguments |
| 18:54:38 | Gnelik | m68k-elf-ar |
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| 18:55:14 | n1s | Gnelik: that gives me a long list of available switches etc. |
| 18:55:29 | Gnelik | hm |
| 18:56:23 | Gnelik | I don''t know |
| 18:56:25 | Gnelik | sorry |
| 18:56:34 | n1s | np |
| 18:56:44 | n1s | I'll try to reboot |
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| 18:57:08 | cas | :o |
| 18:57:13 | cas | data abort at ... |
| 18:57:17 | cas | :'( |
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| 19:01:41 | n1s | meh no go |
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| 19:02:32 | cas | how do i go back/reboot when it says: data abort at 00... ? |
| 19:02:47 | n1s | menu+select |
| 19:02:48 | amiconn | n1s: I guess somehow m68k-elf-ar isn't in the path for the script, but only for your command line |
| 19:03:04 | amiconn | How did you add it to the path? |
| 19:03:08 | n1s | amiconn, any idea how to fix that |
| 19:03:23 | cas | ah, it did work, i tried that, but i guess i didnt hold it enough time |
| 19:05:48 | Joely | hmm has that NAND driver for the sansa been added to cvs yet? hehe i'm impatient :-P |
| 19:06:22 | n1s | PATH=/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:$PATH |
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| 19:07:11 | amiconn | n1s: Where? In .bashrc ? |
| 19:07:33 | n1s | no in the terminal |
| 19:07:41 | Gnelik | Joely: no |
| 19:07:44 | amiconn | Ah, same thing |
| 19:07:53 | Gnelik | But it will be there soon |
| 19:08:03 | Joely | stupid question n1s....did you export it? |
| 19:08:06 | amiconn | If you just set the variable like this, it will only be valid in the current shell, not in subshells |
| 19:08:27 | amiconn | You need 'export PATH......' |
| 19:08:42 | n1s | tried that, didn't help |
| 19:08:46 | Joely | ah ok |
| 19:09:02 | n1s | but I have to run make with sudo so maybe that's the thing |
| 19:09:05 | Gnelik | Joely: look at sansa forum |
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| 19:09:30 | amiconn | n1s: You don't need sudo for 'make', only for 'make install' |
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| 19:10:12 | n1s | amiconn if I don't sudo I get permission denied :-( |
| 19:10:29 | Joely | change the permissions of the files |
| 19:10:45 | Joely | chmod or chown |
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| 19:37:43 | Gnelik | dan_a: sorry for my stupid question but when are you going to add NAND driver to cvs |
| 19:37:54 | Lear | amiconn: that could be it, I had a different language set. |
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| 19:40:57 | dan_a | Gnelik: When it is written a bit better. I can't say exactly when - I'm very busy this week. |
| 19:44:29 | Gnelik | dan_a: cant you just put curent version to cvs, only to have a look on it??? |
| 19:44:42 | Lear | Ah, the EQ problem was likely because I had a logf-enabled build. |
| 19:45:22 | SoulDeaD | what is different when the build is logf enabled? |
| 19:46:35 | Lear | Remote is used to display log messages. Screen structure isn't set up properly then (IIRC), so attempts to draw on the remote can cause problems. |
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| 19:47:13 | amiconn | Then something's wrong with the way the eq screen uses the multi-screen api |
| 19:47:32 | amiconn | With logf, the multi screen api only indicates one screen for irivers |
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| 19:48:14 | Lear | Could be. I'm not that familiar with it... But it does need to handle things a bit differently. |
| 19:48:41 | Lear | Yes, but remote is still available. Gotta check how the widget code handles it... |
| 19:48:41 | amiconn | Not different from targets without a remote |
| 19:49:06 | amiconn | The remote is only available via the firmware-level lcd api |
| 19:50:28 | dan_a | Gnelik: I'd prefer not to, because there is a lot wrong with it, and a lot of my own questions in the comments. I'll PM you with a link, though. |
| 19:51:04 | Lear | Hm.. Seems like it should check for NB_SCREENS > 1, rather than HAVE_REMOTE_LCD. |
| 19:51:12 | Gnelik | Ok |
| 19:51:17 | Gnelik | Thanks. |
| 19:51:22 | dan_a | No problem |
| 19:51:44 | amiconn | Lear: The graphical eq screen checks for HAVE_REMOTE_LCD? |
| 19:51:50 | amiconn | That's clearly wrong then |
| 19:52:03 | Lear | Yes. It draws things differently then. |
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| 19:54:36 | n1s | it finally works! :-) (the stupid sudo thing used another PATH blargh!) |
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| 20:00:10 | Gnelik | dan_a: Great work!!! |
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| 20:03:49 | dan_a | Gnelik: Thanks! Like I say, there's still a lot to do, and MrH did the hard part. |
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| 20:09:02 | Pajama-B | Which firmware should I put on a Korean 100 series for rockbox? |
| 20:09:35 | n1s | a what? |
| 20:09:36 | Pajama-B | is there a difference between those and the US ones or does it matter? |
| 20:09:47 | n1s | iriver h100? |
| 20:09:50 | Pajama-B | yeah |
| 20:10:28 | n1s | shouldn't be any different just make sure to use the right version h100 vs h120/140 |
| 20:10:56 | Pajama-B | Someone told me you couldn't use European firmware on the Korean ones, so I didn't know what that meant because I didn't think there was a difference |
| 20:12:00 | n1s | ahh you mean iriver firmware, but that _shouldn't_ matter but don't trust me on that. Howerver if you are going to use rockbox why not stick with korean? |
| 20:12:08 | Pajama-B | okay |
| 20:12:31 | Pajama-B | Just wasn't sure which one to patch |
| 20:13:07 | Pajama-B | Someone said there were more features in the Korean one? |
| 20:13:59 | n1s | I don't know about the h100 but that's the deal with the h300 at least, but as i said if you're using rockbox... |
| 20:14:58 | Gnelik | bye |
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| 20:24:22 | Davide-NYC | Pajama-B: |
| 20:24:28 | Pajama-B | yep |
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| 20:24:42 | Davide-NYC | Pajama-B: the extra features only apply to the us vs. korean firmware for the H3x0 series |
| 20:25:01 | Davide-NYC | I would just use US1.66 for the H120/H140 |
| 20:25:22 | Pajama-B | But i got the 140 from Korea so I wasn't sure if there was a difference |
| 20:25:39 | Davide-NYC | I doubt it. |
| 20:25:41 | Pajama-B | cuz someone told me that you couldn't use the european firmware on korean irivers |
| 20:25:45 | n1s | Davide-NYC: Not entirely true the h300 eu firmware has a volume cap and limited fm frequency range :-P |
| 20:25:48 | Pajama-B | and I was like huh? |
| 20:26:01 | Davide-NYC | That sounds very very suspect. |
| 20:26:06 | Davide-NYC | who told youthat? |
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| 20:26:20 | Pajama-B | My friend Steve |
| 20:26:21 | Pajama-B | lol |
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| 20:26:39 | Pajama-B | I thought they were made in Korea anyway so... |
| 20:26:47 | Davide-NYC | I have never heard anything of the sort for H120s. |
| 20:27:03 | Pajama-B | Not sure what he meant by that then |
| 20:27:16 | Davide-NYC | If your preferred language is English and your sighted help does not speak korean, then I would use the US1.66 firmware. |
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| 20:27:40 | Pajama-B | okay |
| 20:28:01 | Davide-NYC | It really doesn't matter though, since you're gonna be doing the RockBox thing anyways |
| 20:28:23 | Pajama-B | Yeah. the only thing I don't know is if it shows up in korean by default, and how I can upgrade |
| 20:28:53 | Davide-NYC | That's the problem I thought of as awell, should you require assistance they would not be able to read the screen |
| 20:29:09 | Pajama-B | yeah. |
| 20:30:16 | Pajama-B | i'm not sure if that's how it's showing up. haven't found out yet |
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| 20:37:39 | * | |AhIoRoS| dam i have 2 days drunk :-/ i need stop this now :-) |
| 20:38:05 | SoulDeaD | why now? |
| 20:38:41 | SoulDeaD | because tomorrow is mondey |
| 20:38:45 | SoulDeaD | ? |
| 20:39:00 | blue_lizard | if you stop now you will geht headaches |
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| 20:39:25 | SoulDeaD | carry on! |
| 20:39:26 | SoulDeaD | :P |
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| 20:43:19 | blue_lizard | it seem we have convinced him |
| 20:43:45 | n1s | bluebrother: around? |
| 20:48:09 | n1s | Febs: any thoughts on why I get a Missing: \begin{document} when building any manual? |
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| 21:01:58 | tucoz | n1s: do you run ubuntu edgy by any chance? |
| 21:02:07 | n1s | yep |
| 21:02:12 | tucoz | that is the problem |
| 21:02:32 | n1s | oh, any way to fix it? |
| 21:02:35 | tucoz | yes |
| 21:02:41 | n1s | good :-) |
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| 21:02:58 | tucoz | now, /bin/sh is linked to /bin/dash |
| 21:03:13 | tucoz | but you want it to be /bin/bash instead |
| 21:03:45 | tucoz | so, simply make /bin/sh be a symlink to /bin/bash |
| 21:04:06 | n1s | ok, how do I do that, (linux noob) :-) |
| 21:04:42 | tucoz | i am not sure of the syntax. on windows at the moment. but someone else here will probably know. |
| 21:05:11 | tucoz | i think it is sudo ln -s /bin/sh /bin/bash |
| 21:05:29 | tucoz | but use google |
| 21:05:33 | tucoz | that will help you |
| 21:06:03 | n1s | probably, thanks |
| 21:06:23 | bluebrother | rm /bin/sh; ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh |
| 21:06:32 | bluebrother | as root. |
| 21:06:54 | tucoz | i mixed up the order |
| 21:08:09 | tucoz | hmm. looks like having /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash makes scripts run a lot faster |
| 21:08:21 | blue_lizard | shure it does |
| 21:08:28 | blue_lizard | but does that really count? |
| 21:08:43 | tucoz | no, not as long as it breaks scripts |
| 21:08:53 | bluebrother | you could also try to adjust the shebang to point to /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh |
| 21:09:26 | tucoz | yes, that is of course a solution |
| 21:09:41 | SoulDeaD | or you could just edit the script.... |
| 21:09:52 | n1s | it works, now :-) |
| 21:09:58 | tucoz | nice |
| 21:10:06 | bluebrother | so the first line of configure reads #!/bin/bash |
| 21:10:41 | n1s | yay it only took half a day to get normal build/sim/manual to work :-) |
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| 21:11:05 | bluebrother | maybe this is something that should be in cvs ... assuming /bin/sh is bash isn't always true as we see :) |
| 21:11:13 | blue_lizard | isnt there a vmware image out? |
| 21:11:29 | blue_lizard | that should make the things work within 20 minutes |
| 21:11:53 | n1s | yeah but now it works native |
| 21:11:57 | Kasperle | yeah, it would rock if people would stop assuming /bin/sh to be bash everywhere |
| 21:12:11 | tucoz | bluebrother: i agree. if we expect it to be bash, then we might as well force it to be bash. |
| 21:12:20 | blue_lizard | n1s: noit does not |
| 21:12:30 | n1s | ? |
| 21:12:31 | blue_lizard | it is a crosscompiler |
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| 21:13:05 | blue_lizard | god less gcc |
| 21:13:07 | n1s | yeah but the cross compiler is native to the os and not to an os on an emulator |
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| 21:14:26 | n1s | and generating manuals is a _lot_ faster in native linux than the vmware image on windows (3.2GHz Pentium D) |
| 21:14:45 | Kasperle | tucoz: just keep in might that if you "force" it to be bash, bash does not reside in /bin on all systems either, e.g. on BSD |
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| 21:16:44 | tucoz | Kasperle: right. |
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| 21:34:37 | SoulDeaD | ok, there? a command `which`, which will give you the path to bash |
| 21:35:18 | SoulDeaD | and it may be added a condition to switch to sh if bash is not available |
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| 21:36:24 | bluebrother | SoulDeaD, that won't work in the shebang line afaik. |
| 21:36:51 | SoulDeaD | sorry for my lack of knowledge but what is shebang? |
| 21:37:10 | bluebrother | but how likely is the case bash isn't in /bin? |
| 21:37:40 | bluebrother | scripts start with a line like "#!/bin/bash". That "#!" is the so-called shebang (sheepgard-bang) |
| 21:37:44 | SoulDeaD | maybe on non gnu systems? |
| 21:37:50 | SoulDeaD | aha |
| 21:37:54 | SoulDeaD | i understand |
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| 21:38:39 | bluebrother | hmm. I'm pretty sure in 99.9% of all cases we can assume bash to be in /bin, while with that dash stuff of ubuntu I think we have quite some cases where /bin/sh isn't bash |
| 21:39:27 | bluebrother | so if the shebang points to /bin/bash and bash is installed somewhere else the script will fail with an error (and people running systems that have bash somewhere else should be able understanding that error) |
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| 21:40:03 | SoulDeaD | i think on bsd its not in bin, and there is no bash in comersial systems |
| 21:40:20 | Kasperle | i'd not agree with the 99.9%, but BSD people are normally happy if bash-dependent scripts do not start with #!/bin/sh ;) |
| 21:40:21 | bluebrother | hmm. How will the script run correctly then? |
| 21:40:24 | SoulDeaD | for example solaris does not have bash by default |
| 21:40:41 | Kasperle | (on FreeBSD it's in /usr/local/bin/bash, if bash is even installed) |
| 21:41:26 | SoulDeaD | and i think theres a way to override the shebang line |
| 21:41:37 | SoulDeaD | but not sure... |
| 21:41:41 | bluebrother | hmm. Would be best if someone with knowledge of dash could have a look at the script and fix it. |
| 21:41:54 | bluebrother | SoulDeaD, sure, if you prepend the script with the interpreter. |
| 21:42:17 | bluebrother | like "/usr/local/bin/bash ./configure" |
| 21:42:41 | blue_lizard | shure but that does not override the subshells |
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| 21:42:56 | bluebrother | hmm, that's a point. |
| 21:42:59 | SoulDeaD | no, i mean a system wide configuration that will override blablabla/bash with the correct location of the interpreter |
| 21:43:00 | blue_lizard | and most of the time people use a lot of subshells |
| 21:43:35 | bluebrother | you could set an alias probably. |
| 21:43:48 | SoulDeaD | i have read something about it somewhere... only if i remember.... |
| 21:43:52 | bluebrother | but I'm not sure how this is supposed to work with paths. |
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| 21:44:24 | Kasperle | "just" make all scripts bourne shell compatible ;) |
| 21:45:00 | bluebrother | but what's the difference between bash and dash? I only know dash breaks it. |
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| 21:46:27 | SoulDeaD | were poor developers... ill ask the admin :P |
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| 21:47:53 | SoulDeaD | but i guess hell tell mi that scripts must be compatible with a more common interpreter |
| 21:48:05 | bluebrother | hehe ... maybe |
| 21:48:20 | esy | I got a patched ipod_fw on mac os x, I have been trying to compile it with gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c but it won't let me, it says comand not found |
| 21:48:28 | bluebrother | I don't see a reason why ubuntu switched to dash as default shell. |
| 21:48:42 | esy | i just installed gcc4 |
| 21:48:43 | bluebrother | esy, what command not found? gcc? |
| 21:48:46 | esy | ;yea |
| 21:48:52 | SoulDeaD | ill ask him tomorrow, ill also ask another friend |
| 21:48:55 | bluebrother | maybe it's not in your path? |
| 21:49:23 | esy | os x automatically intalls the gcc, do I have to go to the directory to run it? |
| 21:49:53 | SoulDeaD | ahm, its my default shell, i dont know whos problem was this |
| 21:49:54 | bluebrother | try "which gcc" |
| 21:50:03 | SoulDeaD | ops |
| 21:50:06 | SoulDeaD | my mistake |
| 21:50:20 | esy | gave me this |
| 21:50:22 | esy | no gcc in /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin |
| 21:50:33 | blue_lizard | maybe its not called gcc |
| 21:50:36 | bluebrother | hmm. Do you know where gcc got installed? |
| 21:50:40 | blue_lizard | it maybe gcc-4.1 or such |
| 21:50:46 | SoulDeaD | esy do you know where you installed gcc? |
| 21:50:47 | bluebrother | also, maybe it's called gcc-4 or something |
| 21:50:51 | esy | not really |
| 21:50:58 | esy | it was an automatic install but I can find the directory |
| 21:51:13 | esy | its gcc 4.0 |
| 21:51:49 | esy | do I have to activiate it somehow in terminal or no? |
| 21:51:55 | bluebrother | you could try "which" with gcc-4.0 or gcc-4 as argument |
| 21:52:02 | esy | let me try |
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| 21:52:08 | blue_lizard | or try gcc<tab> |
| 21:52:24 | * | bluebrother slaps his forehead. |
| 21:52:30 | SoulDeaD | i dont know is there an alternative for mac os x, but in linux there is locate and find |
| 21:52:33 | bluebrother | tab completion can be really helpful :) |
| 21:52:45 | SoulDeaD | if you search for gcc* |
| 21:52:47 | bluebrother | I'm pretty sure os x has find. |
| 21:52:51 | SoulDeaD | you may find it |
| 21:53:01 | esy | yea its in applicationsupport/xcode/gcc...etc |
| 21:53:19 | bluebrother | huh? Sounds strange. |
| 21:53:21 | SoulDeaD | oh god |
| 21:53:31 | SoulDeaD | fucking comersiol systems :) |
| 21:53:40 | esy | yea its really werid |
| 21:53:41 | blue_lizard | its not strange ist osx |
| 21:53:45 | esy | and its called gcc 4.0 |
| 21:53:58 | SoulDeaD | osx i strange for me :P |
| 21:54:02 | blue_lizard | with " " in the filename? |
| 21:54:07 | bluebrother | if you found the gcc executable just try to run it with "−−version". It sould print some version information. |
| 21:54:42 | SoulDeaD | i have never used anything different than windows and linux |
| 21:54:52 | SoulDeaD | windows at work and linux at homew |
| 21:54:52 | bluebrother | with spaces in the filename? Enclose the complete path with ", or escape every space with a prefixed \ |
| 21:55:18 | esy | which gcc-4.0 -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c didn't' work |
| 21:55:35 | esy | gave me this: /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 csh: if: Missing file name |
| 21:55:37 | bluebrother | hehe ... surely that won't work |
| 21:55:37 | blue_lizard | if it has really the empty space in the filename make yourself a link |
| 21:55:57 | bluebrother | try /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c |
| 21:56:27 | bluebrother | or, to do it the "which" way, `which gcc-4.0` -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c |
| 21:56:40 | SoulDeaD | witch way :P |
| 21:57:26 | esy | powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1: ipod_fw.c: No such file or directory |
| 21:57:28 | esy | gave me that |
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| 21:57:37 | esy | for the /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 command |
| 21:57:51 | esy | mabye 4.0.1 |
| 21:57:59 | bluebrother | hmm. You are in the folder that contains ipod_fw.c when running that command? |
| 21:58:07 | esy | yesh :) |
| 21:58:26 | blue_lizard | i see there : twice |
| 21:58:36 | blue_lizard | and both are wrong probably |
| 21:59:06 | esy | what do you mean |
| 21:59:25 | blue_lizard | paste here the exact command you typed in |
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| 21:59:43 | SoulDeaD | there is a : twice |
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| 22:00:04 | SoulDeaD | its normal, my gcc displays it the same way |
| 22:00:16 | esy | werid |
| 22:00:26 | esy | i'm having trouble pasting here because i'm using the web client |
| 22:00:30 | SoulDeaD | try to make a link to gcc in /bin |
| 22:00:37 | esy | how do i do that |
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| 22:00:45 | bluebrother | you can use pastebin. |
| 22:00:49 | SoulDeaD | ln -s target link_name |
| 22:01:00 | blue_lizard | if you paste to irc avoid using / as the first character |
| 22:01:11 | SoulDeaD | ln -s <location to gcc> <location to link> |
| 22:01:11 | esy | i typed this /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c |
| 22:01:13 | blue_lizard | simply make an empty char infront |
| 22:01:20 | esy | thx it worked |
| 22:01:40 | esy | and it gave me this result: powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1: ipod_fw.c: No such file or directory |
| 22:01:47 | esy | powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1: no input files |
| 22:02:04 | esy | but still no go |
| 22:02:24 | blue_lizard | then it does not find ipod_fw.c |
| 22:02:28 | SoulDeaD | as i see the compiler cannot find the source file |
| 22:02:36 | blue_lizard | are you shure you are in the folder where it is |
| 22:02:36 | bluebrother | what does "/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 −−version" print? |
| 22:03:11 | esy | powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5367) |
| 22:03:19 | esy | Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc |
| 22:03:30 | esy | yea i'm in the desktop |
| 22:03:35 | esy | i have ipod_w in the desktop |
| 22:03:44 | esy | fw* |
| 22:03:59 | SoulDeaD | ok, you have a working compiler, look at the path where you are and if the ipod_fw.c is there |
| 22:04:09 | bluebrother | does ipod_fw.c show up when you run "ls"? |
| 22:04:26 | esy | no just ipod_fw |
| 22:04:33 | bluebrother | without .c? |
| 22:04:53 | esy | yea |
| 22:05:00 | esy | when I downloaded it it came as a txt file |
| 22:05:04 | bluebrother | hmm. What does "file ipod_fw" tell? |
| 22:05:18 | bluebrother | looks like you simply need to rename that file. |
| 22:05:39 | esy | to .c? |
| 22:05:46 | bluebrother | yeah |
| 22:06:04 | bluebrother | "file ipod_fw" should tell you something like "c source file". Maybe "text file" |
| 22:06:26 | esy | okay i just ran it |
| 22:06:27 | bluebrother | if that's the case then only the file extension is missing. |
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| 22:06:39 | esy | ai gave me like 50 or so lines |
| 22:06:53 | esy | each saying ipod_fw.c:1: error: stray '\127' in program |
| 22:06:57 | bluebrother | file gave you about 50 lines? |
| 22:07:03 | esy | ipod_fw.c:1: error: stray '\1' in program |
| 22:07:13 | esy | more like 200 |
| 22:07:25 | esy | endned with ipod_fw.c:125:1551: warning: null character(s) ignored |
| 22:07:33 | esy | does that mean its compiled? |
| 22:07:46 | bluebrother | this doesn't sound like source code. |
| 22:08:01 | bluebrother | what does "file ipod_fw" say? |
| 22:08:07 | blue_lizard | maybe it has been htmllized |
| 22:08:31 | esy | when I do ls it shows it as ipod_fw.c |
| 22:08:50 | blue_lizard | paste it into an nopaste service |
| 22:08:56 | bluebrother | huh? |
| 22:09:14 | esy | yea it doesn't working when I run :./ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 Firmware-13.6.1.2 |
| 22:09:31 | blue_lizard | i would avoid playing such games |
| 22:09:54 | esy | you want me to give you what it said after I typed /usr/bin/gcc4.0 ipod_fw etc? |
| 22:10:02 | blue_lizard | if things are not going as they should dont play games with the firmware |
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| 22:10:15 | esy | ok |
| 22:10:29 | linuxstb | esy: The Mac OS X binary for ipod_fw is here: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipod_fw |
| 22:10:30 | blue_lizard | paste the ipod_fw.c into an nopaste service |
| 22:10:33 | esy | it just says ./ipod_fw no such file or directory |
| 22:10:39 | bluebrother | at least make sure you have a working backup and know how to resotre it :) |
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| 22:10:52 | esy | but is that patched for 5.5g?. |
| 22:11:09 | esy | http://www.sefia.ca/rockbox/index.php |
| 22:11:15 | blue_lizard | file ipod_fw |
| 22:11:17 | blue_lizard | ipod_fw: Mach-O executable ppc |
| 22:11:19 | esy | i went here to get the ipod_fw that would work with 5.5g |
| 22:11:24 | blue_lizard | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipod_fw |
| 22:11:31 | SoulDeaD | i think somebody asked is 5.5g supported today and i think the answer was no |
| 22:12:07 | esy | i know its not |
| 22:12:16 | bluebrother | esy, that page seems to have a compiled version. |
| 22:12:25 | esy | it is? |
| 22:12:31 | blue_lizard | thats a binary |
| 22:12:33 | esy | it won't run then when I try to |
| 22:12:33 | bluebrother | $ file ipod_fw |
| 22:12:34 | bluebrother | ipod_fw: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not stripped |
| 22:12:42 | bluebrother | but that won't run on os x |
| 22:12:56 | esy | is there any way I can make it run on os x? |
| 22:12:56 | linuxstb | esy: No, that ipod_fw I linked you to is the official version. If you're wanting to run Rockbox on your 5.5g, you are going to need to get your hands dirty and patch ipod_fw.c yourself and compile it. |
| 22:13:05 | bluebrother | that was why I asked you to run file on it :) |
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| 22:14:04 | esy | i'm just not a programmer, I'm not familiar with patching and compiling |
| 22:14:31 | bluebrother | then I suggest you to wait until the 5.5G is officially supported. |
| 22:15:04 | esy | is it getting more possible to do it, or is it months away |
| 22:15:22 | esy | i've checked the forums like its my email |
| 22:15:54 | bluebrother | I only know what I read in the forums and heared here. No idea when it will happen. |
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| 22:16:17 | esy | hopefully soon, i appreciate the effort from you guys |
| 22:16:23 | esy | thx |
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| 22:17:03 | Nimdae | yay i just finished another theme |
| 22:17:17 | Nimdae | and it only has 2 images in total :P |
| 22:17:19 | bluebrother | afaik Rockbox is still not running on the 5.5G even with that patch. But I'm not aware of the latest changes. |
| 22:17:55 | bluebrother | keep an eye on the forums, I'm pretty sure someone will anounce it when it's running :) |
| 22:18:20 | Nimdae | http://www.nimdae.com/pics/rockbox/dark5g.jpg |
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| 22:20:40 | * | petur wonders if Nimdae already made a Muppets theme |
| 22:20:50 | petur | :p |
| 22:21:45 | Nimdae | good idea! |
| 22:21:55 | Nimdae | mahna mahna! |
| 22:22:01 | * | petur suggests two pink cows ;) |
| 22:22:26 | Nimdae | petur: i'll think about it ;) |
| 22:22:50 | Nimdae | heh dark5g is now my current them on my ipod |
| 22:23:09 | petur | don't do it for me if you seriously consider it - I'm not that big fan |
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| 22:23:31 | Nimdae | perhaps, but i know you would use it just for the comedy factor ;) |
| 22:24:02 | Nimdae | i wish i could use variable sizes on the text, or multiple fonts |
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| 22:26:13 | blue_lizard | i have written some code and am on my way of cleaning it before submitting an patch |
| 22:26:32 | blue_lizard | pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'snprintf' differ in signedness <- whats that? |
| 22:27:21 | petur | using an unsigned where a signed was expected or vice versa |
| 22:27:27 | blue_lizard | argument 1 is called "string" ans is declared as |
| 22:27:39 | blue_lizard | unsigned char string[30]; |
| 22:27:50 | petur | drop the unsigned |
| 22:28:40 | blue_lizard | lol, now it complains in other lines aboud signedness |
| 22:28:59 | petur | congrats on messing that up ;) |
| 22:29:14 | blue_lizard | 'lcd_getstringsize' differ in signedness |
| 22:29:26 | blue_lizard | same "string" as para 1 |
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| 22:55:54 | Lear | amiconn: an early call to talk_init caused the simulator hang on startup. |
| 22:56:19 | amiconn | Hmm, why only for non-english languages? |
| 22:56:41 | amiconn | In my test I even didn't have any voice file installed... |
| 22:56:52 | * | petur remembers once fixing a crash by moving talk_init |
| 22:57:08 | viny1 | any chance of finding nethack for play on rockbox/iriver/H320 ? |
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| 22:57:57 | viny1 | heh |
| 22:58:13 | scorche | viny1: there has been talk about it on the forums, but no one has programmed one yet so far |
| 22:58:22 | viny1 | had 2 ask |
| 22:58:26 | viny1 | tnx |
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| 22:58:56 | scorche | for the record, you didnt have to |
| 22:59:10 | scorche | you could have did a search on the forums for "nethack" and be given the same answer |
| 22:59:35 | Lear | amiconn: not "non-english", but rather, any language selected. If global_settings.lang_file contains anything, talk_init is called. |
| 22:59:47 | viny1 | true, but on this dialup, it was MUCH faster to simply ask. tnx again |
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| 23:00:17 | scorche | yeah, but i suggest you try that next time first |
| 23:00:35 | Lear | That, in turn, calls audio_stop. On the simulator, the audio thread isn't yet running, so a queue is never emptied, causing audio_stop to hang. |
| 23:00:49 | scorche | people appreciate you more when you show a willingness to search and attempt to find an answer yourself first =) |
| 23:00:51 | Lear | Suggest something fishy in the SDL thread handling, I think... |
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| 23:07:57 | Lear | Nope, audio_preinit is run much earlier on non-sim... |
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| 23:15:49 | webguest05 | hey |
| 23:16:09 | webguest05 | I'd like to help with the Gigabeat port, who can I talk to? |
| 23:16:16 | petur | markun |
| 23:16:16 | markun | me! |
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| 23:16:19 | markun | :) |
| 23:16:26 | webguest05 | yes.. awesome |
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| 23:16:30 | webguest05 | my name's Joan |
| 23:16:58 | markun | it would be best to visit us in #gigabeat, but that's not possible with the webclient |
| 23:17:17 | webguest05 | ok. do you have a suggestion for a good IRC client? I |
| 23:17:18 | markun | webguest05: which gigabeat do you have? |
| 23:17:36 | webguest05 | f40 |
| 23:17:36 | markun | webguest05: depends on the OS you are using |
| 23:17:51 | webguest05 | i have a windows laptop and a linux desktop |
| 23:17:57 | webguest05 | (running ubuntu) |
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| 23:18:22 | markun | I use irssi under linux, but I don't know if you like it, it's text based. |
| 23:18:34 | webguest05 | that's fine.. for windows? |
| 23:19:07 | scorche | windows users typically use xchat, mirc, or chatzilla |
| 23:19:11 | markun | some people use xchat. For windows clients maybe some other people in this channel can recomend you something |
| 23:19:38 | webguest05 | ok.. in any case.. what can I do to help? |
| 23:19:42 | webguest05 | hanks |
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| 23:20:04 | markun | depends on what you can do |
| 23:20:12 | markun | Do you know how to program in C? |
| 23:20:22 | scorche | webguest05: http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 23:21:06 | webguest05 | yeah, i do know C |
| 23:21:39 | markun | Can you read and/or write ARM assembly code? |
| 23:21:52 | webguest05 | ot so much, but i have some time on my hands ;-) |
| 23:22:13 | markun | well, in that case you can do a lot to help |
| 23:22:18 | webguest05 | awesome |
| 23:22:37 | markun | did you ever read our IRC logs? |
| 23:23:05 | webguest05 | a little bit, but not all the way through |
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| 23:24:43 | * | amiconn prefers HydraIRC on windows |
| 23:25:22 | markun | webguest05: you should start by downloading the rockbox source. Then you can build the ARM cross compiler with tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 23:25:38 | * | petur stuck with ntalk |
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| 23:26:10 | markun | webguest05: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
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| 23:27:23 | webguest05 | I think i made it into #gigabeat |
| 23:27:53 | markun | yes, and left again :) |
| 23:28:08 | webguest05 | yeah.. it crashed on me.. i'm on my way back :-D |
| 23:28:19 | * | petur wonders if it was also with the same nick ;) |
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| 23:28:59 | webguest05 | it doesn't like me.. |
| 23:29:09 | webguest05 | as soon as I start typing it crashes |
| 23:29:09 | markun | not really no |
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| 23:29:15 | webguest05 | :-/ |
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| 23:30:57 | SoulDeaD | webguest05 what os are you currently using? |
| 23:31:09 | webguest05 | windows xp |
| 23:31:20 | SoulDeaD | download mIRC |
| 23:31:22 | webguest05 | ok |
| 23:31:42 | scorche | ew |
| 23:31:43 | markun | webguest05: development will be easier using linux I think |
| 23:32:05 | webguest05 | yeah, i have linux, just have to plug it in and add the monitor :-D |
| 23:32:05 | SoulDeaD | he can use xchat or BX etc. on linux |
| 23:32:16 | webguest05 | she :-) |
| 23:32:29 | SoulDeaD | excuse me |
| 23:32:32 | SoulDeaD | :) |
| 23:32:39 | webguest05 | no prob |
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| 23:34:40 | italy | how do i get rid of the apple bootloader completely? |
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| 23:35:24 | SoulDeaD | why, does it bother you? |
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| 23:35:41 | italy | yes i'm a faggot |
| 23:35:48 | SoulDeaD | i really do not notice its presence |
| 23:36:30 | italy | i want it to boot faster |
| 23:37:14 | SoulDeaD | surprise |
| 23:37:17 | SoulDeaD | you cannot |
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| 23:39:27 | webguest05 | I can't quite figure out how to get onto the freenode server with mIRC |
| 23:39:53 | SoulDeaD | type /server irc.freenode.org |
| 23:40:01 | SoulDeaD | type /server irc.freenode.net |
| 23:40:05 | SoulDeaD | my mistake |
| 23:40:16 | linuxstb | italy: If you get rid of the apple bootloader, the Rockbox bootloader will never be run... |
| 23:40:23 | webguest05 | ah, thanks |
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| 23:41:17 | SoulDeaD | webguest05 you can add it to the list and mark it auto connect |
| 23:41:27 | webguest05 | k.. thanks |
| 23:41:33 | SoulDeaD | no problem |
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| 23:44:05 | * | SoulDeaD is going to bed |
| 23:44:16 | SoulDeaD | goodnight |
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