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#rockbox log for 2006-11-09

00:00:17Davide-NYCdoes anyone know what this person is talking about?
00:00:18Davide-NYChttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7229.0
00:01:54jhMikeSno...haven't read it :D
00:03:54Davide-NYCsomething about the pitch not being correct on normal playback and the user playing back everything at 105% pitch
00:04:05Davide-NYCafter a while his H1x0 crashes
00:04:10Davide-NYCWTF?
00:05:49*Davide-NYC accepts the silence to mean user error or unique hardware fault
00:05:53Davide-NYC:-)
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00:06:29jhMikeShuh
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00:08:08jhMikeShmm...I'm not sure what he's talking about. Mine's not broken. Might not have reset his settings if he used the latest update.
00:08:35*Davide-NYC presumes user error
00:08:42Davide-NYCwe should ignore unless other complain
00:09:08Davide-NYCjhMikeS: do you understand my "hide behind" idea?
00:09:13jhMikeSyes
00:09:26jhMikeSDavide-NYC: Might want to look at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7284.0 as well.
00:09:43Davide-NYCI htink it's great since I don;t see the great benefit of knowing the filename and the filesize.
00:09:56 Part tucoz
00:09:59jhMikeSThere's lots of space left on the H120 screen though...lots
00:10:42Davide-NYCyeah, but folks like ot stay consistent across targets as much as possible
00:11:16SoapThat forum post complaining about pitch being off is from 2006-11-03. I swear I read the same exact question a week or two ago.
00:11:22SoapMaybe it was in here.
00:12:01*jhMikeS wonders why someone would want to listen to music almost 1/2 step higher than normal :-\
00:12:11Davide-NYCcrystal meth
00:12:54SoapMakes me wonder if they had the EQ cranked up in OF, and now when they hear something in RockBox it sounds too low pitch.
00:13:05jhMikeSThe hiding could really more of a pages thing that could be scrolled through with lots of details
00:13:11SoapIt wouldn't be hard to measure a 5% difference in playback times.
00:13:44Davide-NYClet's tackle one thing at a time (i only have 5 min left)
00:13:53jhMikeSmy ears do the measuring, I don't wanna hear the key of F if the song is in E +P
00:14:11Davide-NYCditto
00:14:39Davide-NYCfor optical power, why not just use the playback setting for output?
00:14:54Davide-NYCwhat's the gripe? (bit confused)
00:15:13jhMikeSWas thinking you might not want it on all the time but like to use feedthrough
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00:15:33Davide-NYCso it's gonna be another setting in the menu?
00:15:47jhMikeSNot if noone wants it
00:15:58jhMikeSOr not enough
00:16:10Davide-NYCI don't think it's expicitely necessary
00:16:20Davide-NYCwhat about a redundant menu entry?
00:16:40jhMikeSredundant?
00:16:41Davide-NYCoptical out (same as in the general menu) repeated in the rec menu?
00:17:08Davide-NYCaccess to the same setting from two diff places so that you don;t have to exit out of "recording mode"
00:17:09jhMikeSThat's still another menu item even if it's the same string
00:17:17jhMikeSah
00:17:26Davide-NYCI know, but there's less logic to thik about
00:17:30Davide-NYC*think
00:17:39Davide-NYCjust turn it on or turn it off
00:17:42*jhMikeS asks if less logic is more logical
00:17:47Davide-NYChaha
00:18:13Davide-NYCI'm old school so I still think if big ass switches, channel strips and potentiometers
00:18:21Davide-NYCI gotta run
00:18:24jhMikeSlater
00:18:27Davide-NYCbe back in 2 hours or so
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00:24:33lostlogic:( ipod still doesn't charge from USB at 500mA in rockbox.
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00:27:36*linuxstb__ passes lostlogic a copy of ida-pro
00:30:24lostlogicida-pro?
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00:33:44TrueJournalslostlogic: It's a disassembler
00:36:20jhMikeSlinuxstb__: could use one myself
00:38:17linuxstb__lostlogic: How do you tell how much current is being drawn?
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01:07:47XavierGrjhMikeS: I like your idea of saving on the last .cfg file too! :)
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01:11:03amiconnjhMikeS: You moved too much to target tree...
01:11:11jhMikeSXavierGr: That's a good idea too. I was thinking just a default one but that might be better actually.
01:11:12amiconnlcd-h100.c needs splitting
01:12:42lostlogiclinuxstb__: I don't actually, but backlight + audio -> discharge, not charge tells me it's only doing 100mA
01:14:49[g2]lostlogic same cable ?
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01:15:22amiconnjhMikeS: Regarding your .cfg file - that option hopefully won't be needed anymore soon
01:15:31amiconnNo more config block resetting
01:16:16*amiconn also wonders why one would save the same config over and over
01:16:21*JdGordon hopes soon is 2 weeks or so.. but not likely :'(
01:16:24[g2]lostlogic on the Motorola A780 cell phone there's an EMU (Enhanced M... USB port) it's senses 12V to charge faster, otherwise uses 5V
01:17:35[g2]Enhanced Mini USB port
01:18:16[g2]there's a PCAP chip that controls some of the routing
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01:25:31amiconnJdGordon: Calling the callbacks at shutdown doesn't work...
01:25:44JdGordonwhy not?
01:25:48amiconnI think the event arrives too late in the ata thread queue
01:26:29JdGordonso the rest of the system thinks its shutdown already?
01:26:37amiconnyes
01:26:51amiconnLooks like this one needs to be called from clean_shutdown() (possibly system_flush() ?) in apps/misc.c
01:26:52jhMikeSamiconn: what'd I do now?
01:26:53[g2]Ok it's not 12V it's 1.25A
01:27:17JdGordonok
01:27:23[g2]which exceeds the 500ma USB limit
01:28:01amiconnsystem_flush() is also called before usb (from default_event_handler_ex() ), so that would automatically be handled as well
01:28:14jhMikeSamiconn: I usually just want to save settings real quick. I don't use a bunch of config different configuration.
01:28:27amiconnWhy?
01:28:35amiconnSettings are saved automatically anyway
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01:29:06jhMikeSI think it's tedious to have to do all that to backup settings and I have to do it a lot at times.
01:29:19amiconnI don't understand....
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01:29:32amiconnI have one standard config file, which I saved months ago
01:29:52amiconnI just load that when the settings block gets bumped, and that's it
01:30:25amiconnI have some dedicated .cfg files for different environments, but those only contain the settings I really need to change
01:30:29jhMikeSok...but sometimes I want to back up with new settings and use them later and keep using the same file. If it crashes, they won't be saved.
01:30:57amiconnThey will be saved at the next spinup after leaving the menu
01:31:27jhMikeSNot to my .cfg file
01:31:52amiconnNot yet to a config file... but that'll change.
01:31:53jhMikeSI've lost them many times after crashing
01:32:20amiconnI never lost settings except on a new target when I forgot to create my backup .cfg
01:32:21jhMikeSStill would like a config for different enviroments if I do choose
01:33:47jhMikeSBut for minor changes I want backed up right away I'd just like a single step without creating more files. That's my personal preference anyway
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01:34:51jhMikeSamiconn: JdGordon's patch is what you're talking about right?
01:35:02JdGordonyes
01:35:52jhMikeSHandling encoder setting will dispense with global format/encoder format conversion too I take it.
01:36:05amiconnjhMikeS: Did you get my remark regarding lcd-h100.c ?
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01:36:27jhMikeSyes, don't know what you're referring to specifically. what else uses that code?
01:36:57amiconnNothing _atm_
01:37:16amiconnBut lcd-h100.c contains both target specific and pixel format specific code
01:37:36amiconnThe latter should go in firmware/drivers/lcd-2bit-vert.c
01:38:05jhMikeSwas thinking same thing really in that case. that's np. What about for the remote?
01:38:26amiconnSame thing
01:38:51amiconnlcd-recorder.c too (not yet moved)
01:42:27jhMikeSshouldn't lcd.S be moved to sh too while we're at it?
01:42:37jhMikeSlooks like it should be split at that
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01:43:28amiconnlcd.S needs a somewhat ugly split
01:43:59amiconnOne part of the code is for the player, the other part is for all 5 bitmap archos targets
01:44:45amiconnThe latter should probably go into firmware/target/sh/archos directly
01:45:20amiconn...but what filename?
01:45:22jhMikeSall of it since there's only one selection?
01:45:45JdGordonlcd-archos.S ?
01:45:49amiconnlcd-archos-bitmap.S ?
01:46:08amiconnAnd lcd-player.S for the other part, in the player sub-dir ?
01:46:10jhMikeSand lcd-archos-charcell.S
01:46:25jhMikeS'least it clear what it does :)
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01:46:38kumpelblasehi
01:46:57amiconnThe differnce does in fact have nothing to do with charcell vs. bitmap, but which port pins the lcd is hooked up to
01:47:08amiconn(the interface itself is the same)
01:47:11jhMikeSor just plunk it all the way down in player for charcell
01:47:58jhMikeSFrom your statement, being 6 archos targets, 5 of which are bitmap, the remaing is one target with charcells
01:48:07amiconnThe bitmap lcd's data line is hooked to bit 0 of port B, which allows a special trick for speedup
01:48:19amiconn[01:46:09] <amiconn> And lcd-player.S for the other part, in the player sub-dir ?
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01:49:02amiconnYes there are 6 archos targets, but only 4 target sub-dirs (2 dirs are shared by 2 actual targets each, because those are really similar)
01:49:21jhMikeSbut one is charcell and the other not?
01:49:25amiconncorrect
01:49:35jhMikeSoy, que feo
01:50:39amiconnThe charcell and bitmap code in lcd.S share small parts
01:50:46jhMikeSI guess then one uses the specific lcd-player.S, the rest use the common part in the archos dir.
01:50:56amiconnI would like to see it completely separated
01:51:07jhMikeSyes, but they're not going to change much so just duplicate it, no?
01:51:18jhMikeSIt's very minor
01:51:42amiconnSome instructions are unnecessary in the player version when they are separated
01:52:05jhMikeSmmm...even better, smaller fw
01:53:58*amiconn spots i2c-pp5002.c and i2c-pp5020.c in firmware/drivers...
01:54:26jhMikeSwhich explains why I'd rather move stuff for a player I have
01:54:39jhMikeSas much as possible anyway
01:55:04amiconnyes
01:55:27amiconnI think I will move the archos lcd stuff
01:55:52jhMikeSIf everyone chips in this can be done fairly painlessly that way
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02:02:39Nico_Phi, anyone here ?
02:03:37aliaskPlenty.
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02:04:10Nico_Pi've just noticed a think with the wps %fc tag (for file codec)
02:04:19Nico_Pthink -> thning
02:04:33jhMikeSThere's never anyone home in jhMikeS
02:04:50Nico_Pthe order of the different codecs has changed
02:05:34Nico_Pbecause of that, iCatcher doesn't display the right codec icon anymore
02:05:50jhMikeSwhowa, it's not supposed to depend on that anymore
02:06:26Nico_Papparently it does, and i think your commit about recording is the cause
02:06:29jhMikeSanything indexed to audio formats (or many other things) should use spefied initializers
02:06:51jhMikeSNico_P: No doubt about it...will have a look
02:07:04Nico_Pi think i found exactly what causes it
02:07:09Nico_Phttp://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/id3.c.diff?r1=1.135&r2=1.136
02:07:47Nico_PAIFF moved from being after SHN to being after MP3
02:08:05jhMikeSall audio info is in one array now
02:08:19jhMikeSshould fix I catcher, not move the order of the formats
02:08:24jhMikeSicatcher
02:08:36Nico_Pyes maybe that's best
02:08:50linuxstbDoesn't it mean that all WPSs using %fc as a conditional are broken?
02:08:51Nico_Pi can edit the wiki page for wps tags
02:09:07jhMikeSchanging the order the array is defined won't change the order. you'd have to just change the AMFT enum
02:09:35Nico_PjhMikeS: where is it ?
02:09:50jhMikeShmmm...gotta find which files assume afmt indexes
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02:10:42jhMikeSIts in id3.h but I'd rather do the right thing and fix the arrays that assume a certain format is at a certain index
02:11:42jhMikeSwhich file would that be in, I'm forgetting
02:12:01amiconnThe enum is changed... and you can't "fix the array"
02:12:14jhMikeSoh
02:12:19amiconnIt's not C code that's affected
02:12:57jhMikeSit's actually the .wps file?
02:13:29amiconnThe wps file defines a multi-level conditional (think of it as a kind of switch() )
02:13:37jhMikeSyes
02:13:43amiconn...and that just uses the index into the afmt array
02:13:49Nico_Pwell all i know is that now it's no longer "%?fc<mp1|mp2|mp3|wav|vorbis|flac|mpc|a52|wavpack|alac|aac|shorten|aiff|unknown>"
02:14:10jhMikeSno
02:14:13amiconnSo if the array is shuffled around, all wps'es using %fc need fixing
02:14:15jhMikeSdefinitely not
02:14:38Nico_Pbut rather "%?fc<mp1|mp2|mp3|__ (AIFF?)|wav|vorbis|flac|mpc|a52|wavpack|alac|aac|shorten|aiff|unknown>"
02:14:58jhMikeSit just uses the string at that index then
02:16:32jhMikeSNico_P: yeah, that or the enum can be changed to the old order
02:17:05Nico_Pit's probably better to go back to the old order so that WPSs don't get broken
02:17:05amiconnHmmmmm
02:17:24*amiconn isn't sure where to insert the lcd-*.S files in firmware/SOURCES :/
02:18:03amiconnIt's clearly SH, but then it's also archos specific... but the bitmap code not only for a single target....
02:18:08jhMikeSNico_P: You're probably right. Frankly I'd like a better solution without the dependency but that's more complicated
02:18:10JdGordonin the #ifdef TARGET part downt he ottom
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02:18:54xmixahlxhi, is there a page on rockbox.org that shows audio format decoding benchmarks?
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02:19:00amiconnUrgh, repeat it 5 times??
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02:19:15JdGordonprobably
02:19:27xmixahlxi've been looking and can't find one
02:19:31jhMikeShrmph
02:19:38xmixahlxi remember seeing something like that
02:19:47JdGordonamiconn: unless make can look for files like the include dirs
02:20:03amiconn?
02:20:39Paul_the_Nerdxmixahlx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison
02:20:44JdGordonget it to look for lcd-target.S in <cpu>/<make>/<model> then <cpu>/<make> then <cpu>
02:20:56JdGordoni dont know if that is possible at al tho
02:21:15amiconnMy problem is a different one
02:21:26amiconnI don't have a problem with using SOUCRES
02:21:27jhMikeSaiff after shorted...should be done now and will inspect carefully
02:21:40amiconn...but lcd-as-archos-bitmap will be used by 5 targets
02:21:53amiconnjhMikeS: Nooooo!
02:22:03jhMikeSno
02:22:07jhMikeSno?
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02:22:19amiconnPlease keep aiff where it is now...
02:22:41jhMikeSamiconn: ok. update the wps's?
02:22:55*amiconn doesn't want an array with a big hole when adding pcm playback for archos
02:22:59xmixahlxPaul_the_Nerd> thanks, i was looking for http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime and that page helped
02:23:29Paul_the_NerdIriverRuntime isn't really related to decoding benchmarks, but rather battery performance which is many factors.
02:23:30jhMikeSok, so you have a good practical reason
02:24:14jhMikeSthen I'll leave that :)
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02:25:46jhMikeShow many of those wps's actually use it? should I only concen myself with the included ones?
02:28:55xmixahlxPaul_the_Nerd> essentially i want to figure out what the decoding speed is for the different codecs
02:29:21xmixahlxPaul_the_Nerd> i.e., mp3=11x, mpc=12x, vorbis=10x, etc
02:29:34jhMikeSamiconn: what's your take? just fix the included .wps files that use %fc
02:29:49xmixahlxPaul_the_Nerd> and how that relates to battery usage per format
02:30:00jhMikeSor the entire gallery? :O
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02:30:23amiconnjhMikeS: Just those in cvs I'd say
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02:30:36homielowehelp
02:31:05linuxstbxmixahlx: There's currently no way to accurately measure codec speed in Rockbox. All we can do is measure what percentage of time the CPU spends boosted to the highest speed (which is 0% for some codecs).
02:31:56JdGordonamiconn: isnt putting the ata callbacks in system_flush worse than the ata thread? because it will be called from whatever the first thread to get the SYS event, which could very easily stkOv that thread.. and async callbacks are still useless because the owner thread would get the SYS event before the callback event
02:32:08jhMikeSwith encoders it's rather trivial in a programming sense to benchmark them. just don't tell them to write files
02:32:56xmixahlxlinuxstb> does information exist at all about codec performance? (battery life, decoding efficiency, etc)
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02:33:04Paul_the_Nerdxmixahlx: Then the boost ratio is better, though a pure decode plugin would be ideal.
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02:33:43linuxstbxmixahlx: Just the pages you've found - the IriverRuntime (and IpodRuntime etc) pages, plus the CodecPerformanceComparison.
02:34:52Soapxmixahlx: what codecs would you even consider using in an attempt to save battery life?
02:35:30homieloweis there a specific directory I have to put a formatted text file in for dictionary to execute it, or do I just enter the file name ie"en-ge.txt" and execute?
02:35:42xmixahlxwell, i know that vorbis is cpu intensive to decode, and i thought that there might be benchmarks already
02:36:01xmixahlxi have probably 95% musepack (for lossy)
02:36:47Soapmy ipod runtime tests showed very little battery life difference between OGG and MP3, I know the arch. is completely different on the Irivers, but...
02:38:41Soapxmixahlx: - but looking at the codec performance comparison wiki it appears very safe to say that the only difference between mp3 and mpc on the iriver will be how often the drive is hit (bitrate)
02:39:39Soapso if your personal ABX tests show musepac requires less bits than mp3 for you to find it acceptable/transparent, then you should go with that (in the name of battery life)
02:39:49linuxstbxmixahlx: A quick test is to start a file playing, wait for the buffering to finish, then go into the main menu, Info -> Debug -> View Audio Thread and look at the CPU boost %. The lower that number, the faster the decoder.
02:40:13xmixahlxah, ok - that makes sense
02:40:35Soapif I'm reading the wiki right there is no boost on iriver when playing mp3 or musepack.
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02:41:33rotatorThat's right, even playing my Musepack q10 files do not boost on my iriver
02:41:58xmixahlxsweet
02:42:07xmixahlxthat's sounding great for me :)
02:42:24rotatorMy collection is almost entirely Musepack as well ;)
02:42:39xmixahlxi just purchased an h320 last week, rockbox'ed it (the norbu compile) and am just doing some research
02:43:04Soapnot, as a qualifier, what those tests do not show is that musepack 192+fancy WPS might equal boost whereas mp3 192+fancy WPS might not. (or vise versa)
02:43:15Soaps/not/now
02:43:46Paul_the_NerdWhich is why we need a decoding benchmark plugin. :-P
02:44:02Soapspeaking of which.
02:44:05xmixahlxthat's just odd that there isn't one
02:44:17xmixahlxor even that the devs don't know how efficient the decoders are
02:44:20SoapIt is not nice for people to tease others with mention of Rockbox tshirts.
02:44:52Paul_the_Nerdxmixahlx: They vary greatly from target to target though. I mean, different people optimize them, so it's not like any one person knows how much work has been done on any given one for any given architecture.
02:45:29Paul_the_NerdSoap: I look good in it too. I get better service at restaurants even, as if the shirt somehow gives me an air of having a "respectable" job.
02:45:38xmixahlxbut aren't the h1x0 and h3x0 targets the same (for audio decoding purposes)?
02:45:43Paul_the_NerdWithout it I look too much like "Hippy liberal college student with no cash"
02:45:55jhMikeSoh boy, can't even get a theme to load right on x5, it causes codec failures. probably something not obtaining memory the correct way
02:46:07Paul_the_Nerdxmixahlx: The h300 takes more effort to update the screen.
02:46:15xmixahlxah, sad times
02:47:35jhMikeSno, I got something else messed up, it's doing it after a clear
02:48:13xmixahlxwhat's the best rockbox build to use? is there a community consensus?
02:48:26Paul_the_NerdMost people in here just use the official
02:48:28linuxstbThe official builds...
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02:50:06linuxstbxmixahlx: But if I was you, I would use the build with the smallest number of unofficial patches that meets your needs.
02:50:38xmixahlxah, k
02:50:47xmixahlxis recording working in the current builds
02:50:57xmixahlxi read there was a recording error earlier
02:51:51*amiconn had an idea how to speed up text drawing on the colour targets
02:52:01*Paul_the_Nerd likes it when amiconn has ideas.
02:52:13JdGordonamiconn: did you see my message about 15min ago?
02:53:04jhMikeSamiconn: what'd you come up with?
02:55:21amiconnjhMikeS: Well, mono bitmap drawing can be optimized best when the mono bitmap is large.
02:55:46amiconnHowever, text consists of a whole bunch of really small bitmp
02:55:51amiconn*bitmaps
02:56:20jhMikeSyes
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02:56:45amiconnSo it will probably be faster to first assemble the individual mono bitmaps into one large mono bitmap, and then convert-and-draw
02:57:07amiconnOne could call it mono bitmap cache
02:57:36amiconnAseemble a whole line of text there, then convert at once
02:57:43jhMikeScould be. had given that some thought myself. wasn't in the mood to try it out. guess you only need a bitmap as wide as the screen.
02:58:04amiconnYes, a mono bitmap the size of the screen
02:58:32amiconn2.5KB on X5, and ~4.8KB on H300
02:58:33jhMikeSIn this case the vertical format is an advantage
02:58:42amiconnyes
02:58:51amiconnNo shifting while assembling th eline
02:59:02jhMikeSwoot!
02:59:29amiconnJdGordon: Yes, that might be a problem, but the current solution doesn't work properly...
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03:00:08*amiconn wonders what takes so much stack that it overflows a standard sized stack...
03:00:08JdGordonso, do we just srcap it and make sure owner threads look after them properly?
03:00:20amiconnThat would be the other option
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03:00:51JdGordonwell.. if the codec threads gets it whlie running then it should be fairly easy to overflow.. it sits at 97% on my h300
03:01:05amiconnIt doesn't _sit_ at 97%
03:01:22JdGordonwoops, yeah, max is 97%
03:01:27amiconnThe thread debug screen shows the maximum a thread ever used since boot
03:01:44JdGordonok
03:01:50amiconnI can tell you which codec eats most
03:01:55amiconnIt's mpa.codec
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03:02:31amiconnBut now, sleep
03:03:13JdGordonenjoy
03:06:46Nimdaemahna mahna
03:07:17scorchedo dooooo do do do
03:09:58jhMikeSwhew, don't know what went wrong but it's operating again with a fresh build
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03:30:15midgey34for anyone interested, i posted a new version of blackjack on the tracker
03:30:49SoapDoes your new blackjack involve the removal of clothing?
03:31:23midgey34well, i guess you could remove your clothing while playing ;)
03:31:36*Paul_the_Nerd doesn't need to hear about it if you do.
03:32:07SoapIf I had a rockbox tshirt I would never remove it.
03:32:22midgey34not even for blackjack?
03:32:24aliaskI'd feel sorry for the t-shirt.
03:33:30scorchei got the last one a while back =)
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04:05:38webguest22Hello? Can Someone help me out with the Rockbox install!!??
04:06:08webguest22Anyone...
04:07:21aliaskSure, what's up?
04:07:45webguest22Finally..
04:08:06scorchefinally?...it was 2 min...
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04:08:24aliaskFine then I won't help you :P
04:08:28webguest22Well I cant seem to find my Ipod on the "ipodpatcher.exe
04:08:41webguest222 long minutes
04:08:53scorchehave more patience =)
04:08:57scorchewhat device is it?
04:09:16webguest22The ipod IS on "disk mode" adn I can see it on my hard drive tree thing
04:09:34aliaskWhat iPod?
04:09:46webguest224G gray scale
04:10:01webguest22I've gone up to numbers 77 and nothing
04:10:08aliaskStart with 0?
04:10:17webguest22Yes
04:10:20webguest22I did
04:10:36scorcheyou must have missed something...
04:10:43aliaskWell, it's probably gonna be under 25
04:11:11webguest22It has to be right. Atleast thats what the website said but I can't seem to find it
04:11:18webguest22I'll retry
04:11:26scorcheplease do
04:12:11scorcheif you still cant find it, copy the ehole process to pastebin.ca
04:14:29webguest22Curses!! I didn't find a damn thing
04:16:27Paul_the_NerdDo any numbers give any sort of different message?
04:16:34Paul_the_NerdAnd, are you on windows 2000 or XP?
04:17:51webguest22No same messege and I'm on ME
04:18:12*scorche shudders
04:18:19webguest22I'm looking thru the forums right now
04:18:26Paul_the_NerdI'm not sure the tools work properly on ME, that might be your problem right there.
04:18:36webguest22damn
04:18:39scorchedoes anything? =P
04:18:53Paul_the_NerdHahaha
04:19:02Paul_the_NerdI think it's the pre-NT Windows that don't work, in general
04:19:16webguest22I have a copy of XP but If I install that crap I might aswell use Itunes!
04:19:26Paul_the_NerdYou're running ME
04:19:31Paul_the_NerdXP is a *good* thing in comparison
04:19:44Paul_the_NerdIf you were on 2K, I could handle you not wanting to upgrade.
04:19:53Paul_the_NerdEven 98SE if you justified it with the right reasons.
04:19:57scorchemistake edition
04:19:59Paul_the_NerdBut ME... no.
04:20:24webguest22Me rules!!! okay
04:20:28webguest22haha
04:20:31SoapOn top of everything else ME just shouldn't be on the net.
04:20:42webguest22Yeah, I loved 98SE
04:20:50Paul_the_NerdYes, ME needs to be banned from the interweb.
04:20:52Soapthere are less and less ways to secure it everyday.
04:21:02webguest22But anyways, back to helping me out with this
04:21:28Soapdo you have access to a NT box you could repeat the process on?
04:21:38Paul_the_NerdBoot a Linux LiveCD, and just use that
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04:21:54webguest22I dont have either of those
04:22:02scorcheand dont stop after rockbox is installed...
04:22:26kkurbjunwow, there's been alot of patches committed since I last updated..
04:22:27webguest22what?
04:22:31Paul_the_Nerdwebguest22: Linux LiveCDs are freely available, just download an image and burn it.
04:22:52Soapscorce ment don't stop using linux after you get rockbox installed.
04:23:29scorcheis tab-completion that hard? =P
04:23:31Soaps/scorce/scorche
04:23:36webguest22Linux huh, I've been meaning to dable in its evils but have not done it yet
04:23:43webguest22I'm a linux virgin
04:28:30Paul_the_NerdWell, a liveCD is an easy way to try it.
04:28:37Paul_the_NerdDoesn't put any files on your computer, or anything
04:29:43webguest22okay, so I just use ut to boot off of it?
04:29:52webguest22it*
04:36:53webguest22So anyways, when I fanilly get this thing going, will I be able to drag and drop the mp3 on the ipod and have them play? is that how it wirks?
04:39:55Soapcan be
04:40:04Soapthat is the default way to browse music.
04:43:08webguest22Well, thanks for trying to help guys. Its dinner time.
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06:35:02noname28hey I just got my first iPod ever today and my friend has been telling me if I ever get one I need to use rockbox, and I had a few questions
06:35:27noname28first being can I use iTunes Music Store songs and videos and games with it?
06:36:43noname28crap are all you ppl idel?
06:40:41noname28nvm got my answer
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06:41:29bagawkdid not even wait more than a minute :P
06:41:50bagawkbut I guess he is right
06:42:02*bagawk is probably the biggest idler in here
06:48:39BHSPitMonkeyI like how he accused the channel of idling, after being here a whopping 2 minutes
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07:52:24drehow cool is this....friend wants me to fix crappy ipod and i go looking for a new os and i find a link to irc!!!
07:52:46dreso yea guess yall are pretyt used to it seeing as how your all here
07:53:27dreso i dont even own one, its my friends, where do i start to learn about the specs on it, so im not quite so noob....or is there a quick way to tell the diff between a 5th gen video ipod and a 5.5?
07:57:13scorchewhen did he get it?
07:57:33drenvm i just found a link to apple site explaining about how to check the serial number
07:57:52scorchethat too
07:57:56dreand yea i think its too old to be the new ones
07:58:02dreor they hump it daily
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08:01:06dreNo. It is highly unlikely that Rockbox will ever support playback of DRM encrypted audio files <−−-fight the man!
08:03:51amiconnmorning
08:03:56JdGordonscorche: wanna help me completly rewrite the tree browser?
08:04:06JdGordonmorning amiconn
08:04:19scorchedo i?
08:04:32JdGordondo you?
08:04:38scorchedo i?
08:04:42JdGordonguess not
08:04:47scorche;)
08:04:55amiconnJdGordon: Btw, the problem regarding calling the ata callbacks from system_flush doesn't exist
08:04:56*JdGordon thinks lots of waste could be got rid of from tree.c
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08:05:11JdGordonok nice
08:05:16amiconndefault_event_handler (and hence system_flush) always run in the main thread
08:05:30amiconn...so there should be enough stack
08:05:31JdGordoni just commited the fix to remove the calls from ata*.c
08:05:49JdGordonoh, i thought default_event_handler was run in whatever thread it was called in?
08:06:00JdGordonbrb
08:06:06*amiconn just test-builds the archos lcd asm move to target tree
08:07:37*amiconn thniks we need a decision what to do with gmini code
08:07:50amiconnI vote for removing it completely
08:08:18scorcheat what stage was it before it was stalled?
08:08:42amiconnIt gets in the way of the target tree move and the port is dead for more than a year
08:09:27amiconnIirc the core booted. No audio, and I don't know which other features didn't work yet
08:10:06amiconnThe code probably won't even compile anymore
08:10:20scorcheyeah...i doubt that as well
08:11:07amiconn...and it's hard to even test that because you need a very special gcc
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08:11:36scorchei would vote for removal as well, but i hate throwing out code
08:12:23scorchepossibly a hosted zip with the files and load onto the wiki?
08:12:57amiconnWe already removed code for a target in the past (the Neo)
08:13:30amiconnAlthough less code was removed because the Neo is also SH based
08:14:23amiconn...and OpenNeo is a fork of rockbox, so the code isn't really lost
08:14:26*JdGordon has no problems with dumping the gmini code
08:14:55amiconnBesides, the code isn't lost if we remove it. It will stay forever in the cvs history
08:15:36scorchewhat about when we eventually swith over to svn? =P
08:15:55JdGordondoesnt the history go across also?
08:16:22scorchethat is why i was asking...i dont know
08:18:09amiconnIf we do it, the gmini code removal should be a separate commit, clearly marked as that
08:18:44JdGordonwe could move it to TT in its current state and not worry about weather it compiles or not.. its fairly trivial, unless its mixed in with alot of other code?
08:19:58amiconnGmini code is mixed into a lot of files. ata.c, system.c and lcd-recorder.c are the ones that come to mind first
08:20:46amiconnjhMikeS: Will you do the lcd-h100.c split?
08:21:44JdGordonnot a single gmini 120 on ebay
08:22:28amiconngmini 120 and gmini sp where the 2 targets
08:23:00JdGordonno sp's either
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08:47:32JdGordondoes anyone want to give tomas a nudge to hurry up and commit the ifp7xx move to TT pathc?
08:48:00BlackHoleOfCodeGrrr... I'm trying to compile the latest CVS build with the WMA patches from marsdady and linuxstb, and I keep getting "No rule to make target `system-target.h'"
08:48:28BlackHoleOfCodemarcoen said the fix was to add $(TARGET_INC) to CFLAGS in the Makefile, but he didn't say which makefile.
08:48:50JdGordonapps/codec/wma folder
08:48:52JdGordonproably
08:48:59BlackHoleOfCodeTried that one, but same problem
08:49:07BlackHoleOfCodeI also tried adding it to the apps/codecs/Makefile
08:49:56BlackHoleOfCodeI turned off SILENT mode so I can see the parameters passed to each command. Make doesn't get anything outside of the -C, OBJDIR=, and OUTPUT= commands.
08:51:44amiconnTurning off SILENT is very simple. Just use 'make V=1'
08:52:37amiconnDid you reconfigure recently? If not, that might be the problem
08:53:16BlackHoleOfCodeYeah, I did that
08:53:20JdGordonalso make clean
08:53:25JdGordonfor some reason makes a difference
08:53:40BlackHoleOfCodeWell, every time I make clean, when I try to configure again, it says it can't locate the source root
08:53:54BlackHoleOfCodeWhen I tell it where it is, it jumps to my home folder instead.
08:55:22BlackHoleOfCodeI'm not entirely sure what make clean is bashing, but it seems like it causes some important files to go missing.
08:55:32amiconnAnother reason might be that you have missing source files
08:55:37JdGordonwhich folder are u running configure from?
08:55:47BlackHoleOfCodesource root, not tools
08:56:01JdGordondid u make a new folder for the build?
08:56:07BlackHoleOfCodeso... ~/rockbox-daily-20061109
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08:57:49BlackHoleOfCodehrm... making...
08:58:01amiconnBlackHoleOfCode: Configuring from the source root and then making clean *will* trash the source tree for sure
08:58:14amiconnThe docs say that you need a separate build dir
08:58:57BlackHoleOfCodeah, ok. I looked through them, but I must've missed that part
08:59:51BlackHoleOfCodeok, thx. I got past that error. Now I just need to fix the undefined refs to sin and cos
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09:03:06BlackHoleOfCodethanks again
09:03:08BlackHoleOfCodeg'nite
09:03:17BlackHoleOfCodeor g'day for those not in EST
09:03:25Bagdermorning!
09:03:27Bagder;-)
09:03:39JdGordonwhat about those not in USA at all?
09:03:45BlackHoleOfCodeThat too. :)
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09:07:30oxygen77hello all, there use to be a link to the descrambler tool on rockbox website ? has it moved ? or is it the file that has been removed ?
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09:08:02oxygen77it used to be in rockbox.haxx.se/tools/descrambler.exe
09:08:30Slasherithat file is available in the rockbox cvs, you need to download and compile it
09:08:30JdGordonmaybe on download.rockbox.org?
09:10:20BagderI don't think we host binaries of that tool
09:10:48oxygen77k
09:10:53oxygen77thx
09:13:35oxygen77I'll see how to provide the bin on my website, isthere was some legal issue with it ?
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09:34:33parcelbrat_has anyone looked into porting to a Dell DJ G1? I would like to know if it has been deemed infeasible before i start researching the idea
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09:36:31scorcheparcelbrat_: look at the wiki page NewPort
09:37:27parcelbrat_i did, and I am willing to consider trying, I just want to make sure that the idea isn't hopeless before I start
09:37:42scorcheit gives idead to help you figure that out
09:37:47scorcheideas
09:37:53scorcheafaik, no one has loked into it
09:38:16parcelbrat_k, i'll start looking into it more.
09:39:59parcelbrat_i'm outta here for now, but i'll probably return if the research returns fruitful. Thanks for the help
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10:59:39amiconnLinusN, Bagder: Any opinions on the gmini code?
10:59:54LinusNkill it
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11:00:52diluted^sup
11:01:02diluted^where can i get themes and stuff for rockbox
11:03:49JdGordondeath to the gmini!!!
11:04:32*scorche gets out the guillotine and hands out tomatoes to the crowd
11:04:45diluted^why u guy s gotta be gay
11:05:00diluted^im new to this, explain please
11:05:09JdGordonhave you looked at the website?
11:05:09scorchediluted^: i assure you...i am very heterosexual
11:05:17diluted^yea
11:05:31diluted^and why won't it display the songs in order
11:05:33JdGordonscorche: /me begs to differ.. you did want me to hold your hand.... :D
11:05:37diluted^its alphabetical
11:05:39diluted^;(
11:05:48scorcheJdGordon: only in a platonical sense
11:05:49JdGordondiluted^: read the manual and come back
11:05:56diluted^lol
11:06:09diluted^okay then anwser me this where can i find themes
11:06:16diluted^cause these little ass letters hurts my head.
11:06:18JdGordonthe manual
11:07:21diluted^i dunno, this shit kind of sucks
11:07:25diluted^did i void out my warrantY?
11:07:37JdGordonim assuming your using an ipod.. so no
11:07:53*JdGordon loves making assumptions about ipod owners :D
11:08:12scorchewell it is true =)
11:08:24diluted^like
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11:08:28diluted^you guys arent helpful
11:08:34JdGordonthank you :)
11:08:37diluted^i dont see shit about themes
11:08:44scorcheonly because you dont seem to be able to help yourself
11:08:57JdGordoni dont tend to look for shit.. and when i do i usually find it in the toilet
11:09:04*JdGordon wonders why he is looking for shit here?
11:09:09diluted^and when i select one of the theme's it comes with
11:09:15diluted^it doesnt do anything or change anything
11:09:51scorchehave you tried playing a song?
11:10:11diluted^yes
11:10:19diluted^and its fucking slow for being saved in ram
11:10:22scorcheand it looks the same?
11:10:31diluted^i could think faster than it finds the songs
11:10:34scorchecut out the swearing please...this is a technical place
11:10:41diluted^lolz ok
11:10:53scorcheand never say lolz again..
11:11:26JdGordonhaha
11:11:34diluted^did your dumb ass make this shit
11:11:46*scorche sighs
11:11:53diluted^:]
11:12:01diluted^well stop making fun of me homos
11:12:46scorchei am advising you of our guidelines here...and stop making fun of homosexuals by using those terms in that context
11:12:56diluted^lol dude chill out
11:13:00diluted^its words on a computer screen
11:13:10diluted^but man i just want to know how to get a different theme going on
11:13:23diluted^something more user friendly, my friends arent going to know how to use this crap
11:13:27JdGordonlook at the damn manual
11:13:29scorcheand those words are logged and are read by many people looking for information...they dont want to hear that
11:14:09nudelynI thought the kid in Prison Break got shot a couple of episodes ago but here he is on IRC!
11:14:23LinusN:-)
11:14:33diluted^yeah and i thought the 40 year old virgin was a fictional movie character
11:14:33scorcheheh
11:14:50nudelyni'm only 30!
11:15:16LinusN:-) again
11:15:19aliaskHAHAHAHA
11:15:21aliaskI just sat down
11:15:25aliaskThis was a great read
11:15:27aliaskThank you all :)
11:15:29scorchewell enjoy the show!
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11:16:28scorcheoh...btw, i didnt have time today..i will send it tomorrow
11:16:59diluted^all you had to do was tell me http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/
11:17:00diluted^jeeze
11:17:16scorcheglad to see you bothered to start looking =)
11:17:45markundiluted^: or here http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
11:17:51scorchehaha
11:17:54diluted^i already have the pdf
11:17:58JdGordonhttp://www.google.com.au/search?q=rockbox+themes&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial <- really we didnt have t tell you anything if you used your brain
11:18:21markundiluted^: WPS (while playing screen) is the 'theme'
11:18:22scorcheJdGordon: stop assuming things about people
11:18:25diluted^a guy named julius told me to get this stuff
11:18:26scorche;)
11:18:31diluted^and he told me that he makes themes, anyone use them
11:18:33diluted^;|
11:18:44JdGordonso why didnt you just ask juliuis?
11:18:50JdGordonand his themes are pretty nice
11:18:52diluted^hes not on his computer
11:19:07markundiluted^: some more themes: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/
11:19:46diluted^cool, thank you
11:20:43diluted^once i activate the id3 cache view
11:20:49diluted^do i have to reset it every time or no
11:20:52LinusNi wonder if any of the 3rd party themes work after mike changed the order of the codecs in the wps
11:21:22diluted^I dont have to worry about audio codec problems since I use only mp3's
11:21:25diluted^correct
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11:25:54LinusNdiluted^: mp3 works just fine
11:27:53diluted^one more
11:28:13diluted^whats the difference between 5g and 5g64mb ipods
11:28:24LinusNthe RAM memory size
11:28:48scorchethe 60 gig versions are 64 mb
11:29:03diluted^ok
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11:29:06diluted^gotcha thanks
11:36:24diluted^a new theme requires player restart or what
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11:37:24diluted^data abort at e8000007a lolz
11:38:17diluted^lol wtf now its back to apple's display
11:38:20diluted^what did i do o_O
11:38:40JdGordonyou broke it
11:38:54diluted^i guess holding menu makes it load apple's software
11:39:12scorcheyes
11:39:35diluted^whats these errors lol!
11:39:44diluted^undefined instruction at ee7a1204
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11:42:29diluted^ok ok i love rock box
11:42:31diluted^thanks guys
11:42:33diluted^;D
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11:42:48scorchefrom your "lolz" i would assume you can read 13375p34k....rockbox doesnt currently like you, so it is giving you the e8000007a or E-BOOOOOT class A...and you use it more and more, it will learn to like you more and more and eventually you will get the E-LOOOOVE class A which will turn your ipod into an egg and you get to start over with a new device with better stats and it will look slightly different
11:42:49diluted^er
11:43:02diluted^as soon as i typed that it made a static noise and crashed again
11:43:04diluted^lol
11:43:47diluted^11375p34k?
11:44:15*amiconn thinks he shouldn't commit stuff when he's not quite awake
11:44:19diluted^this shit keeps on crashin :(
11:44:20amiconn"aseembler"
11:44:42JdGordonamiconn: meh, its not like anyone actually reads the commit message
11:45:21diluted^1 4/\/\ T3|-| 31337
11:45:39scorcheJdGordon: you were right...look what i started
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11:47:15JdGordondiluted^: ok, i appologise for before.. we lack certain people skills.. which is why we are classes as geeks and code all day... but if you seriously want help, and great themes.. /msg dongs
11:47:30JdGordonhe is online, but not in the channel, give him a buzz.. he is very helpful
11:48:04diluted^right
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11:50:23diluted^should i message manmeat if dongs isnt available
11:50:57JdGordonwho the hell is manmeat?
11:51:12scorchedongs is real...you can do a /who or /whois to check
11:51:28diluted^okay, thought you were being sarcastic
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12:02:00diluted^and themes that show album artwork need specific builds to work
12:02:09diluted^i tried one, and it crashes every time :(
12:02:16diluted^i think when trying to load the artwork
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12:08:47diluted^well thanks guys
12:08:53diluted^using bloodstain for 5g ipod
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12:34:29]RowaN[guys im getting "codec failure" with the latest cvs build (iriver h120) when trying to play mp3s, just wondering if im alone
12:35:06JdGordondid u update all the rockbox files or just rockbox.iriver?
12:36:22]RowaN[all
12:36:25]RowaN[also i get "filetype string buffer empty" on boot
12:36:38]RowaN[but ive been getting that for a few builds now
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12:37:15markun]RowaN[: do you have a rockbox.iriver in your .rockbox/ ?
12:37:36voyeurhi
12:37:38]RowaN[yes
12:37:38obo]RowaN[: "filetype string buffer empty" can be caused by too many entries in the tagnavi.config file
12:38:09]RowaN[tag cache? i dont use that feature as far as im aware.. can i just delete the file?
12:38:22markun]RowaN[: then I think it's running this older .rockbox/rockbox.iriver
12:38:57voyeurcan you tell me if barrywardell managed to read/write on sansa's player NAND flash ?
12:39:18obothe stock file included in the zip shouldn't cause that problem - must be something else...
12:39:22barrywardellvoyeur: yes I have had some success
12:39:34]RowaN[what do you mean? i dont have rockbox.iriver on the root, only in the /.rockbox/ folder, where i manually moved it to, as i always do when installing new builds
12:39:39barrywardellvoyeur: there is still a problem with switching banks though
12:39:49]RowaN[<−− proud owner of 8gb sansa =]
12:39:50voyeurbarrywardell: thanks for the comment
12:39:52markun]RowaN[: aha, then that's not the problem
12:40:39barrywardellvoyeur: i'm working with dan_a on getting it fixed, so hopefully it won't be long
12:41:03voyeurbarrywardell:maybe but if it works on the first or second one, it's almost done :)
12:42:47voyeurbarrywardell : maybe a little word on the forum about these sucess would be good for the ones as me visiting each day/minute/second the dedicated topic ?
12:43:21obo]RowaN[: have you reset the settings?
12:43:58barrywardellvoyeur: yes, maybe soon. there are still a few bugs to be ironed out yet though
12:44:38voyeurtrue :)
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12:47:46]RowaN[settings reset...
12:47:48]RowaN[errors persist
12:48:43JdGordondelete your whole .rockbox folder and start again?
12:48:58obohave you flashed your iriver?
12:49:04]RowaN[not flashed
12:50:29]RowaN[hmm cant seen to rename the .rockbox folder
12:50:42JdGordonyou in windows?
12:51:02]RowaN[yep
12:51:23JdGordonexplorer wont let you rename it? try it at the command prompt
12:51:32]RowaN[ah works in cmd
12:51:33]RowaN[yes
12:52:45]RowaN[hmm fails to boot into rockbox now, goes to iriver firmware every time
12:53:12obochkdsk it?
12:54:30]RowaN["windows was unable to complete the disk check"
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12:55:29KohlrabiIs any process locking reading/writing? (highly ulikely though)
12:56:52]RowaN[ah seems fine now
12:56:59]RowaN[with a clean .rockbox folder
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13:02:33JdGordonamiconn: you said putting the ata_idle call in system_flush works?
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13:21:00amiconnobo: "filetype string buffer empty" doesn't have anything to do with tagcache
13:21:13amiconnIt's caused by too many entries in viewers.config
13:21:32amiconnJdGordon: It should. but I didn't test it yet
13:21:39JdGordonthat buffer should be increaed.. its excaclty correct now
13:21:40oboamiconn: I thought I saw something in the forums about the tagnavi... bad string2icon entries?
13:22:39amiconnI don't get that message on any of my targets
13:22:51amiconnobo: No, just too many entries for the buffer to hold
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13:26:23JdGordondoes the logf outpu get saved to disk on shutdown?
13:26:45*JdGordon doesnt know how to test this...
13:26:56JdGordonlogf goes too quickly to see if the callback was called or not
13:27:35jack2hi, got a question about ipod hardware. Does any generation of ipod include a hardware decoder, e.g. for AAC and MP3 data, or is all decoding done in software?
13:29:14obonot sure about the shuffle, but the rest are software
13:30:12jack2obo: interesting, thanks.
13:30:58jack2how about video decoding? is that software also?
13:31:19obothere is broadcom decoder chip in the ipod videos
13:32:29jack2thanks
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13:33:50Slasherihmm, now rockbox tagcache almost compiles on pc :)
13:34:06Slasherisoon it should be possible to build tagcache natively on pc
13:37:11JdGordonawesome
13:37:21JdGordon.. aparently...
13:38:41JdGordonSlasheri: do you have any idea how file browsing could be implemented int he TC view?
13:39:56amiconnJdGordon: Very simple. Change a setting, and without browsing anywhere do a shutdown
13:40:12amiconnAfter reboot, check whether the setting retained its new value
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13:41:23JdGordonok, i did the morre difficult way :p change volume in the wps while the disk was off and do a shutdown, adding a 1sec sleep in the callback slowed it down so i assume it worked
13:41:54JdGordonanyway, commited, its only a tiny change so if it needs to come out its easy to
13:42:40JdGordongrr... the commit is on the frontapge, but the build hasnt started yet
13:45:16amiconnYeah, the wonders of the build system
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13:47:47JdGordonwhat are .t files?
13:48:00JdGordonin www/
13:48:24aliaskMaybe http://www.filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=t ?
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13:50:24rasherJdGordon: .t files are used to compile the html files. They're run through some makefile anc cpp magic
13:51:15JdGordonoh, ok... is the "compiled" version of the cvs.shtml file or the script it reads the latest build available somewhere?
13:51:21SlasheriJdGordon: maybe the easiest way would be add add some special entries to the tagnavi.config like "Browse files" and that would change the fileview
13:51:42JdGordonSlasheri: you cant change back then?
13:51:56Slasheriand file browser would then automatically switch back to tagcache browser
13:52:03rasherJdGordon: Unfortunately, much of the www dir is outdated, because "someone" forgets to commit their changes to cvs
13:52:06Slasheriit should be possible to change back
13:52:15JdGordonok
13:52:27Slasheriif file browser detects dirlevel is not 0 and we are still in the root directory, then change back to the tagcache view
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13:53:04JdGordonBagder: is the cvs.shtml script available?
13:53:37Slasheribut argh, now Makefile is a real mess with all kind of includes in it when trying to build tagcache on pc
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13:54:16Slasherimost troubles is caused by id3 metadata parser located inside firmware-directory..
13:54:27Slasherithat seems to be too rockbox firmware dependent
13:54:32rasherSlasheri: By the way, tagcache is (possibly) getting renamed to "Database"
13:54:41Slasherirasher: yes, i noticed that
13:54:55Slasherisounds ok to me
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13:55:26Slasheribut i would like to keep all source files names intact
13:55:42rasherSure, renaming is a no-go with cvs anyway
13:55:46Slasherinice
13:56:17rasherThe patch I made renames the tagcache_* files - they're simply set in the #defines and not anywhere else, right?
13:56:39Slashericorrect
13:56:54rasherShould be no problem then. Other than people having to rebuild
13:57:04rasher(I did this because they're mentioned in the manual)
13:57:10JdGordonsounds like to a good time to break the format then :D
13:57:21rasherGood point
13:57:36SlasheriJdGordon: hmm, do you have any additions to the format in mind?
13:57:47JdGordonno, i was being silly
13:57:50Slasheriat least rtc and manual score tags could be added
13:57:53Slasheri:)
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14:01:33JdGordonSlasheri: anyway, the reason i asked before was because i was thiking about how the tree code should be redone to allow TC and file browsing to be usable together if wanted
14:02:22JdGordonI want to completly change the tree so it can be used for stuff like a save-as or open file screen
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14:03:28JdGordonI think it might even drop the binary size down to let rombox compile again
14:05:47JdGordonanywho.. im going to bed.. 12 hours and ill have started my 3 month holiday :D
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14:32:16roolkurasher/slasheri: when renaming the database/tagcache files - would it be possible o put them in a subdirectory of .rockbox
14:33:02Slasheriroolku: hmm, maybe. but i don't have any idea of that :)
14:33:23Slasherishould got tagcache compiling natively on pc without warnings or errors :)
14:33:27Slasheri*just
14:33:40Slasherinext thing would be actually try to use it ;)
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14:37:10rasherThat sounds nice - using the same source files as rockbox?
14:37:47amiconnSlasheri: How do you specify the target endianness, and the necessity of strict alignment?
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14:44:35Slasheriamiconn: that is still undecided.. currently it works only on host endian
14:44:50Slasherirasher: yep
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14:45:21Slasherirasher: then tools directory contains a new program "database" that can be used to create and commit tagcache
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14:45:52DeefUsing cygwin, I'm trying to edit my PATH variable in .bash_profile
14:45:54Slasheriand with all logf debug messages too :)
14:46:09Deefbut windows is saving in a different format I can't seem to get around
14:46:41Deefanyone else using cygwin?
14:48:30rasherDeef: Try using a cygwin editor
14:48:39rasherDon't know what's included.. nano perhaps
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15:38:52Deef2 questiosn.. When using make to compile a daily build, I'm getting a 'File format not recognised' when it reaches apps/lang.o
15:39:19DeefSecond question is, should I be seeing a rockbox.iriver file created at all (as I'm not)
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15:47:41rasherI don't know what's going on with apps/lang.o, but you definitely should get a rockbox.iriver file
15:47:53rasherI guess the solution to problem 1 would solve problem 2 as well
15:48:09Deefwell, changed to a dev build and prob 1 is gone
15:48:20DeefStill not rockbox.iriver file though
15:48:26DeefBut the simulation runs
15:48:38DeefThanks for the suggestion before btw..
15:48:57rasherWait, you were building a simulator?
15:49:03DeefCouldn't find an/the editor, but found a command to fix it up
15:49:05rasherThe simulator doesn't build a rockbox.iriver file
15:49:38DeefSo should I only get that file if I make a Normal build?
15:49:43rasherYeah
15:49:49Deefwhich gives problem 1
15:49:52Deefrighto
15:49:54rasherthe rockbox.iriver is replaced by rockboxui
15:50:05Deefah ok
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15:52:43markunDeef: What's "a dev build" in this context?
15:53:35Deefin the makefile configuration I selected the (D)evel build
15:54:14markunAh yes, of course
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16:21:03webguest19Hello
16:22:11webguest19I just discovered that there is one blackjack plugin in the patch tracker, is there any reason why isn't commited to cvs yet?
16:22:35webguest19and it seems to be compatible for all rb devices
16:22:44rasherProbably not, I'm on the case (I made the last comment)
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16:25:41webguest19rasher: you are working for make it commited?
16:26:45rasherwebguest19: Yeah, I'll proably commit after he responds to my questions
16:26:59webguest19I noticed your comment about the manual
16:27:49webguest19if he don't do it, we probably can, since screenshots and keymapping are accessible via thee sim
16:28:01webguest19*the
16:28:41webguest19then if you want commit it, don't refrain you ;)
16:28:46rasherYes, it's not absolutely necessary that he does it. I'd have done it too, if he won't or can't, I just figured it'd probably be easier for the author to do it
16:29:08rasherPlus, it's a good example to set. If every patch came with a manual patch as well, it'd be nice
16:29:21webguest19yeah indeed, and imho he will do it, but in case we are a lot of rockbox folks :)
16:29:40webguest19indeed too, new way to post a patch
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16:30:03My_Sichi all
16:30:45webguest19hi and bye
16:31:09My_Sicbye webguest19
16:31:18webguest19thx rasher, and hopefully you will commit the blackjack plugin
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16:31:31My_SicSlasheri: have you take a look on my file ?
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17:50:10My_Sicplease i need some help
17:50:52My_Sici'm trying to understand rockbox code
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17:51:13rasherJust ask your question
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17:51:48My_Sicin seeting.h they have an int unplug_mode; to detect if the user have set yes or no to pause when headphone unplug
17:51:54My_Sicwhy don't use a bool ?
17:53:14rasherDon't know, maybe more settings than yes/no were considered
17:53:20goffawell went back to default fw on the h140...
17:53:28goffagotta send it in :)
17:55:31My_Sicrasher: no it's using like a bool
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17:55:42My_Sic if (global_settings.unplug_mode)
17:56:13rasherI meant it was considered, but taken out or never used in the end
17:56:17rasherBut I'm just guessing
17:56:27My_Sicok
17:56:37rasherYou can finde the patch in the tracker (closed), maybe that'll help
17:59:13markungoffa: for repair?
17:59:31rasherMy_Sic: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899
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18:00:40oboMy_Sic: for unplug_mode, 0 is do nothing, 1 pause, 2 pause and resume
18:00:50My_Sicok
18:00:54My_Sicwhy not a char ?
18:00:55oboso if (global_settings.unplug_mode) is just checking that the value is > 0
18:01:05My_Sici just want to understand the logic
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18:06:47My_Sicousp
18:06:51My_Sici have a probelm
18:07:18My_Sici have just compiled a rockbox and it don't want to work
18:07:42yperIs it a common problem that a iPod nano freezes when charged with a wall charger and not via USB ?
18:07:50My_Sici have "Aucun fichier" ("no file" or womethings like that in english) message at startup
18:08:20My_Sicwhat they mean ?
18:08:28My_Sici have files on my ipod
18:08:58rasherDo you have the .rockbox directory?
18:09:04My_Sicyes
18:12:22My_Sicyper: mine ipod (5G) don't freeze
18:13:50My_Sicrasher: have you an idea where does this fail come from ?
18:13:59Paul_the_Nerdyper: I have a Nano, and have no problems charging it from wall chargers, or any source.
18:14:16rasherMy_Sic: No, I don't know. It'd be nice if you could give the error in English
18:15:22yperHmm okok. Paul_the_Nerd what version do you have ?
18:16:14My_Sicrasher: "No files"
18:16:21Paul_the_Nerdyper: Version of what? Ipod Nano, Apple software, Rockbox, Wall Charger, or what?
18:16:42Paul_the_NerdMy_Sic: Is that a translation of the error message, or is that the error message when you set Rockbox to English?
18:16:46ypernano and sofware
18:17:01yperapple software
18:17:03rasherMy_Sic: that simply means that there are no visible files in the current directory
18:17:12Paul_the_Nerdyper: Well, since Rockbox only runs on the 1st gen Nano, I'm sure that should be obvious. And I'm running Apple Firmware 1.2 right now.
18:18:05My_Sici can see tha in my ipod because i can"t change the lang (rockbox don't works). "no files" messages is taken from english.lng if i can change the language it will be the error message
18:18:10rasherTry entering the menu and setting "General > File Browser > View files" to all
18:18:19yperPaul_the_Nerd: ahh sorry for my poor knowledge.. ok the nano i got does have the version 1.1 Frimware and latest Rockbox on it.
18:18:23My_Sici can't entering to the menu
18:18:27My_Sici can't do anything
18:18:28rasherWhy not?
18:18:31yperI am very puzzeled over this
18:18:34Paul_the_Nerdyper: So, what kind of "freeze" do you get? What screen does it freeze on?
18:18:34My_Sicthe ipod is freezing
18:18:46My_Sicand the harddisk is running
18:18:46Paul_the_NerdMy_Sic: Have you tried clearing the settings while booting?
18:18:50My_Sicyes
18:19:10Paul_the_NerdAnd that apparently didn't work, since you got non-English error messages, right?
18:19:12Paul_the_NerdSo try again?
18:19:18My_Sici have just dell all my .rockbox dir and restore it
18:19:25Paul_the_NerdThat doesn't clear setings
18:19:26Paul_the_Nerdsettings
18:19:27My_Sic(so no config, no wps etc...)
18:19:38Paul_the_NerdThe settings are stored in a special sector on the disk.
18:20:10My_Sicok
18:20:21rasherMy_Sic: Try turning on the ipod, and immediately turn on hold
18:20:26rasherthat should reset your settings
18:20:43rasherYou should also reinstall Rockbox if you've deleted the Rockbox files
18:20:43My_Sici try
18:21:01My_Sic(it's allready done)
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18:22:08My_Sicthanls
18:22:11My_Sicit's working
18:22:16My_Sicconfig cleared
18:22:34yperPaul_the_Nerd: when I plug the wall charger in I get first the USB logo, then Rockbox logo, then charger logo and then it switches to a freezed mode where the screen is filled with the boot up text
18:22:46odb|fidel_hello. i just updated my ipod (video) but if i select a sound file to play, i got the response: codec failure
18:22:49odb|fidel_any idea ?
18:23:04My_Sicyes
18:23:10rasherodb|fidel_: You neglected to update both the .rockbox dir and rockbox.ipod
18:23:12odb|fidel_todays build
18:23:13My_Sicmaybe you trying to read .wma
18:23:20odb|fidel_k
18:23:22odb|fidel_thx
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18:23:45odb|fidel_no tried several files
18:23:57odb|fidel_gonna re-install all rockbix files
18:24:07odb|fidel_thx for the hint
18:24:10Paul_the_Nerdyper: That's because the iPod is trying to enter USB mode. Either be IN Rockbox and hold Menu down while you insert the charger, or be in the retail firmware.
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18:24:33yperPaul_the_Nerd: okok thanks alot
18:25:27My_SicPaul_the_Nerd: i want to know more about the storage of setting in a special sector on the disk
18:25:57Paul_the_NerdMy_Sic: Honestly, I don't know that much about it myself.
18:25:59My_Siccan you explain me a little ?
18:26:01My_Sicok
18:26:02My_Sicthanks
18:26:09My_Sicanybody knows anithing ?
18:26:28Paul_the_NerdThe data is stored in a sector that is outside the partition (sector 61 I think?) so that it is preserved and cannot easily be accidentally overwritten.
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18:26:41rasherYeah, there's not much else to say
18:26:50My_Sicok
18:26:55rasherI think it's 63 on most harddisks
18:26:58My_Sicso i think i find why don't works
18:27:04rasherBut that hardly matters.
18:27:14Paul_the_Nerdrasher: It's like... beginning of partition - 2, or something
18:27:17My_Sicdidn't work* (because is working now)
18:28:35My_Sicso we can change "struct user_settings" without deletting config
18:29:40WalterEgoIs programming a very simple (text only) plugin for RB very difficult? ie, is it a bit like writing console app. or is it much more low level where you need to control every single thing like pixels or cpu boosting..?
18:29:46rasherRather the opposite. Changing user_settings means that the current config on people's harddisks are no longer compatible
18:29:59rasherWalterEgo: it can be fairly simple
18:30:09My_Sicyes it's what i want to say
18:30:17My_Sic(sorry my english is not good)
18:31:21Paul_the_NerdWalterEgo: It's mostly just learning the API offered to you, you can get away without really knowing any low-level stuff at all
18:31:55rasherThe graphviz plugin for twiki is pretty fun
18:32:30WalterEgorasher - I tried having a look at the plugin.h file, there's are a great many functions there... Say I want to make myself (not that I'm an egoist, but it'd be pretty poorly programmed anyway) a flatfile db for bus schedule from many parts around town, you see any api functions I *really* should know about before I go and build something up from the helloworld applet..? :p
18:32:37Paul_the_Nerdrasher: Actually, that could be kinda handy for finding lost or duplicate functioning pages easily, no?
18:33:18rasherPaul_the_Nerd: It's for creating in-page graphs, I don't know if you can graph pages, but that'd be pretty neat
18:33:51rasherPaul_the_Nerd: example: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DesktopTools#Dream_Tool
18:33:55odb|fidel_rasher: thx again i forgot the .rockbox folder hehe
18:33:59yperPaul_the_Nerd: hmm it does not seem to be working :(
18:34:35Paul_the_Nerdyper: Which method are you trying, and what is happening?
18:34:51rasherodb|fidel_: no probem
18:35:20Paul_the_Nerdrasher: Yeah, I got that too, my brain just immediately skipped to "you could spider through the links and output something in a compatible format" though it'd probably be horribly complex looking.
18:37:01Paul_the_Nerdrasher: So, that graph was generated with it?
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18:37:26rasherPaul_the_Nerd: Yes, look at the source
18:38:43Paul_the_Nerdrasher: Ah, I just noticed that it was showing as an unhidden attachment to the page.
18:39:04yperPaul_the_Nerd: I'm in Rockbox pressing the menu button and putting in the charger, same result as before
18:39:04rasherYeah, it does that, I'm not sure how to hide it
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18:40:19Paul_the_Nerdyper: You are holding down the menu button (seeing the quick menu) until the charger is fully inserted?
18:41:38yperPaul_the_Nerd: or wait a minute. It seems nothing at all is happening
18:41:56Paul_the_Nerd"Nothing at all"?
18:42:09Paul_the_NerdAs in, you plug it in, but didn't notice any change?
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18:46:32yperPaul_the_Nerd: exaclty it does not seem to be charging
18:47:16Paul_the_NerdIs there now a new symbol in the left part of the status bar, near the battery icon?
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18:52:45rasherPaul_the_Nerd: The attached graph is less insane-sized
18:52:54rasherAnd outdated, it seems
18:52:55rasherstrange
18:54:05Paul_the_NerdOdd
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18:54:19rasherA bunch of other versions are attached, but hidden
18:54:52yipehi rockboxers, any tips on fixing an ipod that has been totally screwed up by my own stupidity, from within linux (meaning no itunes or other apple fixers)
18:54:54yipe?
18:55:31Paul_the_NerdDepends on how screwed up "totally" is, as well as whether you have access to another identical iPod, or are willing to use Wine.
18:56:17Paul_the_NerdOh, and possibly what sort of iPod it is.
18:56:52yipewine is okay if I have to
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18:57:19Paul_the_NerdWhat about the first question, what's actually wrong with it?
18:58:26yipeit's an ipod video, and the problem is that the second partition (the FAT one) is totally borked, fsck.vfat -a won't fix it, and I also seem to have at some point erased the original firmware, as the bootloader can't load either rockbox nor the apple os
18:59:48Paul_the_NerdDid you keep your Rockboot.bin, or at the *very* least your bootpartition.bin as instructed?
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19:00:40yipeI think so
19:01:26yipein trying to reinstall rockbox, as per the instructions for linux, I might have..... extracted and then remixed rockbox with whatever junk is on that first partition :(
19:02:02*Paul_the_Nerd sighs.
19:02:07yipe:(
19:02:16Paul_the_NerdJust try to run the restore tool in Wine.
19:02:52Paul_the_NerdAs long as you had a clean bootpartition.bin, there were other ways, but that's really the easiest, and I've heard it works.
19:02:57Paul_the_NerdI personally don't know if it does.
19:03:10yipeit doesn't work with wine, it opens and immediately crashes
19:03:27*Paul_the_Nerd shrugs.
19:03:42yipeand I'm really unfamiliar with wine, so I don't know if there's a way to make it work or not
19:04:00yipeugh, I'll just wait and fix it at school on a win-box...
19:04:17Paul_the_NerdThis is why we tell you to keep the bootpartition.bin.
19:04:22Paul_the_NerdI'm somewhat surprised you chose to overwrite it.
19:04:47yipeI wasn't thinking, I was just following the instructions on the linux install page
19:05:02yipeas soon as I did it I realised I had screwed up
19:05:49Paul_the_NerdWell your best bet is honestly the windows machine.
19:05:58yipethat's what I thought
19:06:18Paul_the_NerdThe other solution is reformatting your iPod, getting a bootpartition.bin from someone who owns another video, getting an MBR from our wiki, and putting everything back together manually.
19:09:25yipethat would be nice if only I knew someone else with an ipod-video
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19:10:17My_Sici have an ipod video 5G 60Go
19:10:26My_Sici haven't read what's before
19:10:30My_Sicwhat do you need ?
19:12:21yipedoes that use the same firmware as the 30G?
19:12:33My_Sicapple firmware ?
19:12:37yipeyeah
19:12:39My_Sicor rockbox firmware ?
19:12:43yipeapple
19:12:44My_Sici think
19:12:51My_Sici wille make some search
19:13:01yipethank you ت
19:13:10My_Sicwhat's wrong
19:13:11My_Sic?
19:13:14My_Sicwith your ipod ?
19:13:24yipeI messed it up :P
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19:13:42yipeand overwrote my copy of the original firmware
19:14:54My_Sici don't understand "i messed it up"
19:15:39yipeI've already talked about it with Paul_the_Nerd, all I need is a copy of the firmwareeee
19:15:45yipefirmware*
19:16:08My_Sici don't find if it's the same firmware or not
19:16:43yipethat's okay, I'm just gonna go find a winbox and use apple's tools to fix it
19:16:43SlasheriMy_Sic: i am working on it, but i can't test the file directly because it has different endianess
19:16:57SlasheriMy_Sic: and i am too busy with work also..
19:17:50My_Sicyipe: ok
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19:18:57My_SicSlasheri: it's not urly. i have send you just to help you to make tagcache with no fail
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19:21:17Slasheri:)
19:22:12SlasheriMy_Sic: i will try to commit it on PC as soon as i get pc version of tagcache working
19:33:20godzirraso anyone have any idea how hard it will be to port rockbox to the zune? :)
19:33:30godzirraand don't tell me to write it... I dont know C, else I would :)
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19:39:38markungodzirra: no idea how hard it will be
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19:40:38markungodzirra: If it uses the same CPU as the Gigabeat S then there is a lot of info and a linux port for it
19:41:21markunbut it also depends on the other componets and how easy it will be to run your own code
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19:44:51*godzirra nods.
19:44:57godzirraThere's a linux port for the S series?
19:45:10markunFor the CPU in the S series
19:45:37markunthe Freescale i.MX31
19:45:46godzirraHuh.
19:46:59godzirraI love that microsoft is doing what they bitched at apple for doing.
19:47:53markunWhich is?
19:49:53markunSelling DAPs?
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19:51:49godzirraNo, supporting a proprietary format that excludes the DAP from being used with other online music stores.
19:52:05markun:)
19:52:18rasherCan't you license their DRM though?
19:52:37markunSo strange that they don't support Play For Sure..
19:52:54rasherIs it certain that they don't? Last I heard the wording was a bit strange
19:53:35Paul_the_NerdThey don't
19:53:39amiconnmarkun: The gigabeat CPU has 4K iram only?
19:53:39Paul_the_NerdMicrosoft has even declared this
19:54:16Paul_the_NerdIn a statement they said very clearly that Zune is separate and unrelated to the Plays For Sure initiative and does not support it
19:54:48rasherIs this the story that was linked on slashdot a couple of days ago? Because that seemed very strange and cloudy to me
19:54:49markunamiconn: yes, but 2x 16K of cache
19:55:18amiconnInstruction/data/combined?
19:56:21markunamiconn: 16K instruction, 16K data
19:56:33amiconnah
19:57:03amiconnI wonder what the iram will be good for, as the cache is larger than that
19:57:17amiconnThe SH1 also has 4K iram, but no cache at all
19:57:23Paul_the_Nerdrasher: Actually, I can't remember where I found it, but it was an interview with a Microsoft representative. I'm doubtful it was Slashdot though that I found it through.
19:58:01rasherPaul_the_Nerd: I think the issue (with that story at least) was it was not sure whether they meant Zune-the-player or Zune-the-musicstore
19:58:14rashers/sure/clear/
19:58:15markunamiconn: the manual suggests to use the iram during booting
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20:00:32markunamiconn: "STEPPINGSTONE (4K-BYTE SRAM)" "The NAND Flash controller uses Steppingstone as the buffer on booting and also you can use this area for another purpose."
20:00:41rasherPaul_the_Nerd: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6120272.stm This?
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20:02:49Paul_the_Nerdrasher: That's *may* be it. That though is very clear that it means Zune content won't work on PFS devices and what I read seemed to read the other way (PFS content won't work on Zune devices) but it was also at a period of needing sleep, so my memory isn't trustworthy. :)
20:03:12*Paul_the_Nerd wonders how forum members can think calling me "childish" is a good idea.
20:03:28rasherLink? I want to see!
20:03:36Paul_the_NerdIt was a PM
20:03:44rasherHowever, I don't see how even Microsoft would be that stupid
20:03:46Paul_the_NerdRegarding the discussion of how Rockbox supposedly causes CRC errors.
20:04:10Paul_the_Nerdrasher: The Zune is pretty much an accessory for the XBox 360. Microsoft just hasn't really been clear on that.
20:04:42Paul_the_NerdThey're rolling out the ability to purchase/rent Movies and TV shows via their XBox Live service, and they're already saying things like "Well, if people really want to watch them on their Zune, we are consumer driven"
20:04:49rasherBut still, I really don't see a reason why they'd let it NOT play PFS songs
20:04:58Paul_the_NerdLock people into their services.
20:05:32rasherBut it'd just make the Zune less appealing
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20:06:06rasherUnless they make a "we'll re-buy your songs in Zune format" deal
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20:06:17Paul_the_Nerdrasher: I've always felt one should never underestimate the arrogance of Microsoft (or sony for that matter)
20:06:34Paul_the_NerdI'd bet the majority of PFS customers are using rental plans, like the Napster all-you-can-listen for whatever/month plan
20:07:20markunrasher: I'm looking for the blog of one of the zune devs, but can't find it. He explained that it's because of DRM problems with the wifi sharing.
20:07:50Paul_the_NerdThey could just make the PFS songs unshareable.
20:08:51Paul_the_NerdI think WiFi syncing, and Web Radio support at hotspots are both more in-demand features than "Share a song someone can listen to 3 times" anyway.
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20:08:56Paul_the_NerdI wonder how often that'll actually get used.
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20:10:03amiconnreboot, brb
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20:13:22rasherhttp://www.zuneinsider.com/2006/07/on_zune_partner.html#comment-20369704
20:14:42Paul_the_NerdSo, Microsoft says "PlaysForSure is great, but not for *our* device"
20:15:20rasherhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/the-engadget-interview-j-allard-microsoft-corporate-vice-presi/
20:15:34rasherThat's just.. bizarre
20:16:08rasherOh well, it was not like I was going to buy a zune anyway
20:16:12rashernor any p4s tracks
20:16:40rasher"Zune says there is no choice; you get a Zune device, you hook it up to the Zune service, and it just works."
20:16:44rasherBlimey
20:16:48*linuxstb_ prefers RocksForSure
20:18:40Paul_the_NerdHehehe
20:18:43merbananrasher: instead of PFS that don't work :)
20:18:46rasherThat interview comes across as "We tried playsforsure, but it seems people want to be locked in to itunes. Let's give them something exactly like it"
20:20:59Paul_the_NerdWell, one player and one service is less confusing for the technologically illiterate, who are often the target audience. Once you throw out the word "compatibility" at all, even if it's just a simple logo, people start getting a little nervous.
20:21:24rasherI know. It's depressing.
20:21:49Paul_the_NerdPlaysForSure was probably just a way to make some money back on the development costs of their final-version Zune DRM.
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20:24:21Paul_the_NerdI will say, if they integrate it with XBox Live, they'll probably get a lot of sales.
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20:47:59amiconnjhMikeS: Btw, the mono bitmap buffer for text drawing optimisation doesn't need to be full screen
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20:48:23amiconnThe optimisation works because text is usually a buch of tiny bitmaps which will be combined.
20:49:24amiconnI thought it should be full screen because fonts can be really large - but for large fonts, the optimisation wouldn't improve things much
20:49:49amiconnSo it should be the width of the screen, and maybe 24 pixels high
20:50:38amiconnLarger fonts would be drawn glyph by glpyh as they are now
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20:51:23jhMikeSamiconn: was pondering the size thing but how high can a font be?
20:51:43jhMikeSI guess there's no limit?
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20:52:43SoulDeaDsorry
20:52:44jhMikeSI suppose I'd find the critical point where the advantage vanishes
20:55:07amiconnYes, that's just a matter of experiment
20:55:20amiconnThere is no set limit for the size of a font
20:55:25*jhMikeS has been trying to get the h100 display driver split but the phone keeps interrupting the more important work :)
20:56:13amiconnIt will probably start to cause problems when the individual glyphs need so much ram that only a few of them fit into the font buffer
20:56:13rigelhey, anyone know where i go on the FCC website to get photos of device innards?
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20:57:45jhMikeSI thought the Renesas datasheet was horrible grammar but Epson took the cake
20:58:06amiconnhehe
20:59:03amiconnTomato isn't any better imho
20:59:40rasherrigel: http://www.fcc.gov/e-file ?
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21:02:07WalterEgoIsn't there any sort of way to search for API functions that do something than to guesstimate function names and do full text search on the whole source directory? (sorry, english isn't my native language anymore than C is, so maybe I just don't find the right keywords to search for such a list..?)
21:02:44jhMikeSTomato and Epson datasheet look awfully similar in style
21:02:56rasherWalterEgo: the only thing that's documented is the GraphicsAPI (wikipage of same name)
21:03:11rasherWalterEgo: The rest is either in plugin.h if you're writing a plugin, or the source in general
21:03:15rasherWalterEgo: Or ask here
21:03:50rasheroh and there's docs/PLUGIN_API, but it's quite outdated
21:03:57jhMikeSshould the H100 and H120 use the same contrast range or are the LCDs different?
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21:04:08jhMikeSI know it's the same chip but what about the panel?
21:04:31rasherI haven't heard of any differences
21:04:38rasherBut I'm not certain
21:05:06Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: As far as I know, it should be the same. My understanding is that the only difference is the RAM.
21:05:11Paul_the_NerdWell, and HD size.
21:05:32jhMikeSAnything <= 14 is just a white screen on the 120
21:05:56Paul_the_NerdDoes it default to that low on the 100 or something?
21:06:04jhMikeSIt defaults to 28
21:06:08Paul_the_NerdAh
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21:06:33jhMikeSThe range was 5 to 63 but 14 to 63 produced the full white to black transition
21:06:41rasherBlimey, my h120 froze
21:06:54rasherprobably voice-related
21:07:13jhMikeShrm
21:07:26rasherCan't say much more. Simply turned it on and went into the menu
21:07:33rasherPossibly before the voice file was completely loaded
21:08:39rashernow it did it again!
21:08:49jhMikeShmm...haven't had that happen
21:08:52jhMikeSwhat settings?
21:09:09rasherPretty much default I think
21:09:13rasherDanish language
21:09:27WalterEgoThanks rasher, that's kind of what I thought, but that will do. :)
21:09:29rasherLet's see if I have voice on
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21:10:10rasherNow it won't happen, typical.
21:10:44rasherjhMikeS: I'd say anything above 50 is useless as well on h120
21:10:55rasheror 45, even
21:10:57jhMikeSShould put out a bulletin on how to properly use the audio buffer :P I guess I'm gonna have to put in the trap real soon to find any misuse.
21:11:53jhMikeSI was aiming to have the full white to black range available. could hold the upper end back a bit
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21:12:14amiconnI'd rather keep the full possible value range
21:13:05jhMikeSeven less than white for the setting? what good is it?
21:13:33amiconnYou never know what differences between individual units are there
21:13:43Paul_the_NerdCan't the temperature have an effect too?
21:13:49Paul_the_NerdOr is my brain crazy again?
21:14:05amiconnSo the fact that it's completely whit (black, whatever) on your unit doesn't necessarily mean that it's the same on another unit
21:14:14amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: You're right
21:14:14jhMikeSThe value 5 was _way_ below white
21:14:37amiconnThe ipod mini lcd is _very_ temperature dependent
21:14:43jhMikeSYes, I've observed that too when the unit was very cold
21:14:55jhMikeSThe pixels got quite sluggish
21:14:57amiconncold == bright, warm == dark
21:14:59Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: The real question is, what harm is there in assuming that there *might* be a case where it's useful?
21:15:09amiconnMight be the other way 'round for other lcds
21:15:14jhMikeSnone really
21:15:47amiconnjhMikeS: Try the H1x0 main lcd near 0 C ...
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21:16:17amiconnPixel switching time becomes longer than one second
21:16:50jhMikeShrm...contast won't correct that
21:16:58amiconnThat one is the slowest lcd of all targets
21:17:07amiconnOf course not
21:18:41jhMikeSisn't the real range 0-127?
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21:23:52amiconnIndeed it is
21:24:35amiconnWell, maybe we should limit the contrast settings to the usable range, but that requires a poll (per target)
21:24:58amiconnIt also requires checking the range at low and high environmental temperature
21:25:19SoulDeaDwow wow wow
21:25:38SoulDeaDis there a termometer in this device?
21:25:42SoulDeaD:)
21:25:58jhMikeSThe default contrast is exactly what it should be (28). It's the most neutral value on mine.
21:26:56jhMikeSSoulDead: Yes, time the switching and you'll know the temp. Don't know the conversion formula atm.
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21:27:29Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: Mine operates primarily in an environment about 72 F / 22 C, and the default is I think perfect on H120
21:27:48jhMikeSPaul_the_Nerd: perfect here too
21:28:20Slasherihmm, now the PC version of tagcache builder seems to work.. :)
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21:29:14SoulDeaDjhMikeS how would you measure the time of switching?
21:29:16jhMikeSthough I do think it needs gamma adjustment. will have to make bars on it
21:29:29SoulDeaDswitching the states of pixels you mean, right?
21:29:51jhMikeSSoulDead: A plugin that switches the screen white to black and back. Set the speed so it goes fully from one to the other.
21:30:22SoulDeaDok, but how do you get the time when the switch is done?
21:30:40jhMikeSIf you get that and measure and different temps plot it and then curve fit it
21:31:05jhMikeSSouldDead: The plugin should give you the rate being used
21:31:16Slasherihehe, and got a segmentation fault.. another new bug in metadata parser :)
21:31:58SoulDeaDi have hear that there are programs measuring the response time of LCD monitor?s, and i know that?s impossible
21:31:59jhMikeSI think the test_scanrate plugin could be used
21:32:11SoulDeaDi think it?s impossible for any kind of LCD display
21:33:43SoulDeaDtry it and compare if there is a difference at different temperatures
21:34:07amiconnjhMikeS: Btw, the internal scan rate is also temperature dependent
21:34:22amiconn...because the clock source is a simple RC oscillator
21:34:27amiconnNo xtal
21:34:50SoulDeaDhmmm
21:35:00amiconnOn archos the temperature dependency of the scan rate is quite big
21:35:25SoulDeaDif you rely on that it would be a challenge to find any good formula
21:35:42amiconnAround 10Hz difference between 0C and 30C
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21:36:19amiconnSoulDeaD: Just use a table together with linear interpolation
21:37:39SoulDeaDi think it?s a big effort to do that only to correct the contrast
21:37:55SoulDeaDis there another reason?
21:39:05jhMikeSamiconn: yes, I know the RC oscillator isn't extremely precise like that
21:39:51Slasheriamiconn: hmm, any idea why this will crash (according to gdb backtrace): if (strlen(*tag) >= MAX_PATH-32) { *tag[MAX_PATH-32] = '\0'; ... }
21:39:58jhMikeSBut would the oscillator really have any relevence to the speed that the panel actual goes to both extremes?
21:40:05SoulDeaDhow can you be sure it?s the same dependence of temperature on every device?
21:40:12Slasheri(tagcache.c:1428)
21:40:15SoulDeaDit the RC oscilator is not so precise?
21:40:42jhMikeSSoulDead: Wouldn't assume that. You'd need calibration runs perhaps knowing the temperature rather precisely
21:40:43amiconnThe table would be specific to the individual unit
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21:41:24SoulDeaDit makes nonsense for me
21:41:28amiconn...and it would even be necessary to recalibrate it from time to time, in order to compensate component aging
21:41:44jhMikeSI'll bet the material itself responds rather predictably
21:41:51TerrorByteHi guys!
21:41:56TerrorByteQuick question....
21:41:59SoulDeaDmost of the rockbox users are advanced, but there are people who do not know what interpolation or even calibration is
21:42:11amiconnSlasheri: Out-of-bounds pointer, I'd think
21:42:48TerrorByteBRB.
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21:43:08amiconnpreglow: around?
21:43:09Slasheriamiconn: ah, in fact that might be possible!
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21:43:21TerrorByteHey guys!
21:43:24TerrorByteQuick question...
21:43:27jhMikeSSoulDead: Guess the thermometer plugin would walk you through it. The curve shape is probably similar.
21:43:35Slasheribecause the remaining of path is not MAX_PATH in size..
21:43:54Slasheriso that causes the wierd problems on units with long filenames
21:44:10SoulDeaDTerrorByte ask you question
21:44:29TerrorByteOkay, when I'm listening to some music, and I start playing a game... Say that breakout clone, why does it lag?
21:44:38Paul_the_NerdBecause it uses more CPU power...
21:44:41TerrorByteThe game lags and the music pauses for a second or two, then continues.
21:44:42TerrorByteOn the H10
21:44:47TerrorByteHow can I reduce that in any way?
21:44:55SoulDeaDok, jhMikeS, you?d say to user, ok, warm your device to 30 degrees now
21:44:57jhMikeSwhat's *tag got do to do with a path? It appears to be the length of the metadata fields. Of course any path data stored should allow MAX_PATH and be graceful on anything longer.
21:45:03TerrorBytePaul?
21:45:04Paul_the_NerdNo EQ, no Replaygain, no Crossfeed, less complex audio formats...
21:45:14TerrorByteLess complex...
21:45:16TerrorByteMeaning what?
21:45:23TerrorByteOr rather, what types?
21:45:41SoulDeaDTerrorByte sorry, ipod user here
21:45:52TerrorByteI see.
21:45:59SoulDeaDwhat game do you play
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21:46:01Paul_the_NerdSoulDeaD: The H10 is basically an iPod Mini
21:46:07SoulDeaDmaybe it?s too cpu consuming?
21:46:13jhMikeSSoulDead: No, measure the current temperature. And set the rate to just where the full white to black range is reached
21:46:19amiconnPaul_the_Nerd: It's more like an ipod color
21:46:19Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: I don't think there's solid numbers on which format is least CPU intensive on ARM yet.
21:46:30Paul_the_Nerdamiconn: I thought it was the same as the 1G Mini...
21:46:32TerrorByteAny idea at all what format is best?
21:46:39amiconn1G mini is greyscale
21:46:52amiconnAll minis are greyscale
21:47:02barrywardellother than the lcd it's more like a mini
21:47:02Paul_the_NerdThis is true.
21:47:07jhMikeSSoulDead: The input that temp into the plugin.
21:47:10Duffman90How is the progress with the new Sansa E200 port?
21:47:12Paul_the_NerdI'd just heard from someone that most of the internals were more related to the Mini
21:47:15SoulDeaDTerrorByte i dont? think there is a big difference between supported formats
21:47:16amiconnH10 is colour (although with less resolution than ipod color)
21:47:30Paul_the_NerdSoulDeaD: Actually, there's a decent difference, but it varies based on platform.
21:47:31SoulDeaDjhMikeS i understand what you mean
21:47:32BagderDuffman90: works is being made on the NAND fs driver
21:47:35Duffman90I just tried using the simulator and really look forward to using it on the real sansa
21:47:42Paul_the_NerdThough FLAC is pretty CPU cheap, if you don't mind the battery life cost
21:47:47Duffman90nice
21:47:56TerrorByteI see.
21:48:07TerrorByteHmm...
21:48:12barrywardellamiconn, Paul_the_Nerd: most of the other internals are more like the mini than the color. it's the lcd that is the biggest difference
21:48:12TerrorByteOkay, what is replaygain?
21:48:16Duffman90and thats the last thing to fix to make it run?
21:48:28Duffman90i mean without looking at all the tools??
21:48:28Paul_the_NerdTerrorByte: See the manual...
21:48:35TerrorByteUgh.
21:48:36dan_aDuffman90: No, there's quite a bit more than that to do
21:48:38TerrorByteFine, fine.......
21:48:53Paul_the_NerdIs reading that terrible?
21:48:53TerrorByteI think you'd be well suited for customer service Paul.
21:49:18Paul_the_NerdWell, I don't see why any of us should have to type a description multiple times that we've already made available to you, freely.
21:49:22TerrorByteAren't I reading anyways if you tell me right now?
21:49:32Paul_the_NerdAre you paying me?
21:49:39TerrorByteAre you losing money?
21:49:39Duffman90i really would like to help, but i don't think some 11. grade school knowledge doesn't help much
21:49:51scorcheTerrorByte: time is money
21:49:54Paul_the_NerdI am burning calories doing something that I do not enjoy
21:49:57Paul_the_NerdThose calories come from food I eat.
21:50:00Paul_the_NerdThat food costs money.
21:50:05Paul_the_NerdSo yes, responding to you at all costs me money.
21:50:08Duffman90but if you have some simple work i'd like to do it
21:50:10amiconnjhMikeS: I've changed the iram distribution for x5 for my build (64K for core and 64K for codecs/plugins).
21:50:10barrywardelldan_a: i've hit a bit of a stumbling block
21:50:11TerrorBytescorche: Oh thanks a lot. Now I've really lost this debate.
21:50:13Paul_the_NerdTherefor I choose how *my* money is spent by responding how I like.
21:50:22dan_abarrywardell: What's that?
21:50:41barrywardelldan_a: numblocks can never be big enough
21:50:44SoulDeaDok TerrorByte, i really don?t think it?s very hard to find the playback menu in the manual and then find replaygain option
21:50:53TerrorByteSee, in all that time, you could've just told me what replaygain is... xD
21:50:57barrywardelldan_a: it can be only up to 4GB
21:51:01TerrorByteYeah yeah I know, I'm looking it uo.
21:51:03jhMikeSamiconn: to what end?
21:51:04amiconnI think this is better for several reasons. (1) Many codecs already use more iram than the core. (2) giving iram to codecs is more important imho (3) This way all core iram is dma capable, and all codec iram is not
21:51:04TerrorByteup*
21:51:04TerrorByte:)
21:51:05SoulDeaDi would do it for you, but right now i cannot
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21:52:11barrywardelldan_a: i've noticed bits 74:75 are reserved and supposed to be 0, but aren't on my sansa
21:52:18amiconnIn conjuction with the patch done by tomal, it would allow to give some extra iram to codecs on x5
21:52:28TerrorByteOkay, I understand it now.
21:52:39TerrorByte...
21:52:58amiconnjhMikeS: What do you think?
21:53:18TerrorByteWell I'm off.
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21:53:21dan_abarrywardell: If we count those bits as part of the block count, does the size work out at 8Gb?
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21:53:24jhMikeSamiconn: hmmm...I like it. could use it for wavpack_enc.
21:53:35TerrorByteAh, I get it now.
21:53:38barrywardelldan_a: no, i don't think so
21:53:42amiconnBtw, this doesn't even break older codecs & plugins, i.e. you could run old plugins with the new core
21:53:53barrywardelli think it works out at about 15GB
21:54:01amiconn...because the old codec iram and new core iram don't overlap
21:54:10TerrorByteWell, I'm off.
21:54:13TerrorByteLater.
21:54:16SoulDeaDThe purpose of replaygain is to adjust the volume of the music played so that all songs (or albums, depending on your settings) have the same apparent volume
21:54:18SoulDeaDok?
21:54:26jhMikeSWhat if they demand more memory than the port has? Some thing will need conditionals for IRAM.
21:54:37amiconn[21:52:21] <amiconn> In conjuction with the patch done by tomal, it would allow to give some extra iram to codecs on x5
21:55:06jhMikeSyes, got that.
21:55:06TerrorByteYeah yeah, thanks for the CTRL C/V.
21:55:10TerrorByteLater.
21:55:10TerrorByte:)
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21:55:33jhMikeSwho's tomal? ?? what's the patch?
21:55:36amiconnSee the ml
21:55:42amiconnTomasz Malesinski
21:55:49Paul_the_NerdTomal is the person who's done all the work on the iFP port.
21:55:58dan_abarrywardell: I'm just trying to make sure I've got the CSD parsing right.
21:56:08barrywardelldan_a: i think i have it right now
21:56:17barrywardelli can send you what I have to look over?
21:56:25dan_ayes please
21:56:29SlasheriMy_Sic: the problem has been identified and fix is on its way :) i will commit it tomorrow if i get enough time
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21:56:56amiconndan_a: Are there any docs? If the csd is similar to mmc, you can compare with ata_mmc.c
21:57:09My_Sicwhat's wrong ?
21:57:33jhMikeSI'm not looking forward to anything like #ifdef IAUDIO_X5 in there. Suppose CODEC_IRAM_SIZE should be in the configs.
21:57:37SlasheriMy_Sic: check_if_empty() corrupts memory
21:57:45My_Sicchar * too short to save all the path of the mp3 ?
21:57:49My_Sicok
21:57:51dan_aamiconn: There are docs, but we have to read too many bits - so need to know what to discard.
21:58:09Slasheribut i need to fix dircache also, because it might also suffer from too tiny buffers
21:58:21SlasheriMy_Sic: yep
21:58:23dan_aAlso, the 6Gb and 8Gb versions are non-standard.
21:58:37SlasheriMy_Sic: and over length path is not detected correctly
21:58:39amiconnYes, the bank switching stuff
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22:00:24My_SicSlasheri: a question
22:00:33jhMikeSRight now CODEC_IRAM_SIZE is 0xc000
22:00:59amiconnyes
22:01:01barrywardellamiconn: there is also the issue of detecting the size of the flash which should be in the csd, but the specs only support up to 4GB
22:01:11My_SicSlasheri: are "Gather runtime data" also work if playing file with an mp3 aren't play from the tagcache list ?
22:01:42SlasheriMy_Sic: yes
22:01:45My_Sicok
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22:01:52Slasheribut now need to go, cu tomorrow ->
22:02:00My_Sicbye
22:02:02jhMikeSamiconn: what would it be on x5 with your layout?
22:02:10amiconn0x10000
22:02:16amiconn64KB
22:02:55amiconnThe split (using ifdefs) already exists in app.lds and plugin.lds, I only changed the actual values
22:03:29jhMikeShow will playback with a plugin that requires IRAM work if they must share?
22:03:51amiconnPlugins requiring iram need to stop music
22:04:00amiconn...on all targets
22:04:16jhMikeSah, then sounds good to me
22:04:18amiconnIt's been like that since the introduction of swcodec
22:04:38amiconn(archos uses iram in the core only)
22:05:21jhMikeSSo we're actually using 0x20000 - 0xc000 for the code now?
22:05:24amiconnIt's basically a 3-line change (1 line in app.lds and 2 lines in plugin.lds)
22:05:29jhMikeScore
22:05:37amiconnYes, 0x14000
22:05:58jhMikeShow much actually gets used atm?
22:06:49amiconncore: 0xaea4
22:07:03jhMikeSlot of slop room there
22:08:33amiconnmpc.codec uses more: 0xb7a0 - very close to the current limit
22:09:29jhMikeSwavpack_enc.codec used a lot. most of it for the buffer to convert 16->32 bit sign extended
22:09:32amiconnEven more in aac.codec
22:09:58amiconnHehe, perhaps aac would become realtime with some extra iram on X5...
22:10:43rasherHow is the ffmpeg aac library coming along?
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22:11:23*amiconn thinks he should commit that little change
22:13:31jhMikeSIs CODEC_IRAM_SIZE going to be global #define now?
22:13:50Paul_the_NerdSomeone posts saying "Lick my balls", I delete it, and they post again saying "Llorean, why are you doing this?"...
22:13:51*Paul_the_Nerd sighs.
22:14:21rasherA witch!
22:14:59Paul_the_NerdClearly.
22:15:10Bagderburn her!!!
22:15:19FebsPaul_the_Nerd: This guy cracks me up. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7294.0
22:15:30jhMikeShmmm....back to Salem
22:15:37FebsMy last post may be a bit over the top.
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22:17:01scorcheFebs: well, it was true
22:17:20Febs:)
22:17:26Paul_the_NerdFebs: He sent me a quite rude PM after my very first post to him, telling me I sound like a child, so I have no sympathy.
22:17:39amiconnBagder: When I remove the gmini code - should I change the menu selection numbers for the Ondios to keep them continuous? What implication would that have for the build system?
22:17:46scorcheas far as one post and no replies go, i think the doom 3 one is my favorite
22:18:01Bagderamiconn: the visual numbers have no impact on the build system (any more)
22:18:18amiconnHow does the build system select builds?
22:18:23jhMikeS==> well, it's very possible that we aren't all using the same hardware hence, rockbox might perform differently depending on variations of component lots?
22:18:31jhMikeSThis guys in IT?
22:18:32Bagderamiconn: using the long name you can see as alternatives in the configure script
22:18:38amiconnah
22:18:42amiconnnice :)
22:19:01Bagder:-)
22:19:15Paul_the_NerdjhMikeS: IT includes telephone tech support.
22:19:27jhMikeSPaul_the_Nerd: good point
22:19:47Paul_the_NerdWhenever someone claims they're in it, my VERY first thought is the people I've met around here who have worked at the Apple call center.
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22:20:58jhMikeSActually I'm not thinking if he'd offer me fries with my sandwich
22:21:04jhMikeSI'm NOW thinking
22:24:50jhMikeSoooh, now it's so silent :P it's just that that guy's so "dee, dee, dee"
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22:25:41LearAnnoying: I have a playlist for which I can't create new bookmarks.
22:26:07LearReally bad thing is that it says "Bookmark created", but that is not the case.
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22:28:05barrywardelldan_a: what do you think of my version of sd_read_response?
22:28:58barrywardelldan_a: also, does your c_size work out to be exactly 2GB?
22:29:33dan_aI'm just working through it (while being distracted by Family Guy)... I get a capacity of 1.2GB
22:29:46preglowamiconn: am now
22:30:04blue_lizardhello all
22:30:17amiconnpreglow: Do you know which codec parts (e.g. of aac) would profit most from extra iram?
22:30:29blue_lizardi wrote a patch and i would like to know what you guys think about
22:30:32preglowamiconn: almost certainly vorbis
22:30:36blue_lizardanybody willing to try it?
22:30:39preglowamiconn: but i wouldn't know which parts
22:30:50amiconnhmm
22:30:52preglowamiconn: as for aac, i know almost nothing about it
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22:31:01preglowi don't think it's very memory intensive, though
22:31:07barrywardelldan_a: is that with my code or yours?
22:31:27amiconnpreglow: aac uses practically all available iram on irivers
22:31:28rasherDoesn't it (aac) have these giant structures.. that are already in iram?
22:31:30dan_aThat's with your code. Mine told me I had 15GB.
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22:32:23Learrasher: used to have. I removed that, since it didn't make much difference.
22:32:49jhMikeSpreglow: you never worked any more on the plugin?
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22:33:29LearAh, sorry about the bookmark confusion. I had the wrong setting apparantly.
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22:34:10preglowjhMikeS: no time
22:34:18LearBut the string (and the manual) isn't very clear... The option "Yes - Recent only" means, "Yes, but only save bookmarks in the 'Most recent bookmarks' file"...
22:34:33diluted^i installed rockbox last night on my ipod and let it charge all night
22:34:50diluted^now, when i try to start it, it shows the apple icon for a minute then it dims out
22:35:03preglowamiconn: i also think someone mentioned tremor already uses as much iram as it can, but i don't think that counted parts which are currently malloced...
22:35:13diluted^and when its plugged up to usb it only shows the charging icon
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22:35:26jhMikeSpreglow: man, I'm waiting to hear some really cool RT effects!
22:35:36diluted^whats the deal?
22:35:45preglowme too, will tell you when i've gotten around to it
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22:35:52Learpreglow: Tremor replaces some mallocs with static iram allocs.
22:36:00preglowLear: i bet a couple of more are possible
22:36:02LearAnd it uses most of the iram.
22:36:06*jhMikeS impatiently looks forward
22:36:16LearMaybe, but the most important ones are, afaik.
22:36:21preglowjhMikeS: you could stuff the recording stuff in the plugin api in the meantime :-)
22:36:23amiconnLear: Yes, on iriver, but it uses less than aac and mpc
22:36:44preglowjhMikeS: i'll probably have some time in the weekend
22:36:51LearCan't be much less, or?
22:37:36jhMikeSpreglow: sure, can do that np
22:38:00amiconnLear: vorbis: 0xb400, mpc: 0xb7a0, aac: 0xbee8
22:38:27blue_lizardwould anybody mind doing me a favour?
22:38:30amiconn(max. possible is 0xc000 on irivers, and now 0x10000 on X5)
22:38:41blue_lizardgo to https://sourceforge.net/ on the Log In button
22:38:58blue_lizardit sends me to https://localhost/account/login.php
22:38:59LearDidn't remember there was that much space left for Tremor. :)
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22:39:06blue_lizardwhich is wrong of course
22:39:37preglowblue_lizard: works nice here
22:39:37amiconnblue_lizard: Working fine here.
22:39:51diluted^hm
22:39:53blue_lizard?? damned what going wrong here
22:40:18jhMikeSpreglow: I didn't do it because 1) no plugins used it 2) wasn't sure if it was adequate without actually having a good plugin to test it
22:40:27diluted^the problem is that my ipod isnt charging now
22:40:51diluted^has there been battery failures due to installation of rockbox
22:41:42SoulDeaDas far as i know the battery charging is controlled by hardware
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22:42:01Paul_the_NerdYes.
22:42:24amiconnYes.
22:42:26jhMikeSPost hoc ergo propter hoc
22:42:43amiconnThe only thing the firmware can do is to set the charging current (slow vs. fast)
22:43:03diluted^well it charged for a good 12 hours
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22:43:23preglowjhMikeS: we'll find out about the last, at least
22:43:24SoulDeaDdiluted^ did you used the ipod while charging
22:43:30diluted^no, i slept
22:43:39preglowjhMikeS: you can just throw my a patch anyway, if you don't want to commit it
22:43:46preglowme/my/rofl
22:43:47diluted^i have it charging now, or so it says
22:43:57SoulDeaDit?s slower because orckbox is unable to request max usb power supply of 500 mA
22:44:15SoulDeaDit charges only on 100 mA
22:44:19diluted^well but 12 hours should still leave me with a full battery
22:44:29SoulDeaDif you want to charge fast reboot into original firmware
22:44:34preglowjhMikeS: having dealt as extensively with recording as you have, i suspect you have some understanding of what functions are needed ;)
22:45:01Paul_the_Nerddiluted^: What evidence do you have that 12 hours charging in Rockbox should? On some iPods Rockbox uses more power than the iPod is receiving from USB, if you're charging inside of Rockbox.
22:45:53SoulDeaDdiluted^ what?s you ipod
22:46:09diluted^60gb video
22:46:12SoulDeaDi have ipod nano and it charges to max for about 6 hours
22:46:24SoulDeaDahm, bigger battery i guess
22:46:54SoulDeaDapple specify for the nano 1 hour for 80% charge and 3 for 100% i think
22:47:07SoulDeaDwith rockbox it comes near to double time
22:47:26diluted^okay, the original firmware is loaded
22:47:36SoulDeaDyes, try it
22:48:15SoulDeaDthe usb hardware is not known, so when you charge in rockbox, it starts the original firmware rescue mode
22:48:53SoulDeaDand in the rescue mode the power is 1/5 of the normal charging mode so...
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22:49:47dan_abarrywardell: The first word of the CSD looks right, but after that it goes all wrong.
22:50:03diluted^so leaving it on all night was simply powering rockbox
22:50:18barrywardelldan_a: i agree. although i think the second word might be ok too
22:50:25barrywardellor at least some of it
22:50:53SoulDeaDdiluted^ it depends, did rockbox rebooted in disk mode or not
22:51:34SoulDeaDif you prevent if from booting in disk mode by pressing menu while plugging cable, it?s really possible to power rockbox instead of the battery
22:52:32diluted^hm i see
22:52:33barrywardelldan_a: i'm getting sensible values for 76:95
22:52:50diluted^but if i load the original firmware and then plug it in there should never be a problem like that right?
22:53:08SoulDeaDyes, right
22:53:19diluted^k ill just remember to do it like that
22:53:25SoulDeaDif you have problems with original firmware it maybe is a hardware problem
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22:53:32diluted^but for the battery being completely dead today, id say that I was powering rockbox instead of the battery
22:53:33tomalHi. I see you are talking about IRAM.
22:54:06jhMikeSpreglow: I wouldn't do that. I'm sure it'll kick a**.
22:54:13tomalI am going to commit an IRAM patch we talked about yesterday (controlling what goes to IRAM)
22:54:16SoulDeaDdiluted^ if you have problems with original firmware go to the store and replace the ipod
22:54:24SoulDeaDor ask the tech support
22:54:57diluted^hm, didnt i break my warranty when installing rockbox
22:55:29preglowtomal: sounds nice
22:55:37diluted^yeah thats pretty cool tomal
22:55:49SoulDeaDmaybe, i don?t think it?s mentioned in the warranty document
22:56:02preglowabout time anyway
22:56:08SoulDeaDand you can restore it completely
22:56:11preglowwe've already got targets with differing amounts of iram apart from ifp
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22:59:39tomalOK, commited.
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23:00:23JdGordonhey tomal, you gonna commit the patch to move ifp7xx to target tree?
23:01:35tomalYes, that's what I'll do next. In a moment.
23:01:39JdGordon:)
23:03:47*SoulDeaD says goodnight
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23:04:26*JdGordon heads off to final exam for the year
23:04:52jhMikeSSee you'll have time for important stuff now
23:05:14JdGordonyup :)
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23:05:42JdGordonbut its just about summer here... and surfing comes before coding :p
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23:11:34diluted^i guess the main thing about rockbox i'm wondering about, is how much more charge it takes from the battery
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23:11:44diluted^just listening to music as normally
23:12:46*jhMikeS has to look at the plugin code concerning IRAM-using plugins
23:13:02tomalOops, seems that I broke H10 build. I'll take a look at it.
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23:17:47diluted^the dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them.
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23:18:46*jhMikeS looks at his collection...
23:18:51barrywardelltomal: the H10 should have the same IRAM usage as the iPods if that's any help
23:19:36barrywardelltomal: adding #define ICODE_ATTR_TREMOR_NOT_MDCT to config-h10.h should probably fix it
23:19:43jhMikeSAm I stupid or does the plugin load not detect of iram is present in a plugin?
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23:20:49*jhMikeS sees plugin that don't stop the audio before initializing IRAM
23:23:08webguest84Hi. Am I in the right place for a technical qustion please?
23:23:15diluted^yes
23:23:39jhMikeSwould you like fries with that?
23:24:02dan_awebguest84: Ask, and if anyone can help they will
23:24:03tomalbarrywardell: Ok, seems to work.
23:24:40webguest84Hi diluted, I have a crash on my ihp120 only just loaded rockbox any advice or should I wait for battery to run dead?
23:25:49webguest84I was in jpeg config
23:25:54barrywardelltomal: great. feel free to commit it.
23:26:04dan_awebguest84: I don't have an ihp, but I believe they have a small reset button which you can press with a paperclip
23:26:21barrywardelldan_a: did you try Bagder's suggestion? what size gets reported if you use it?
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23:26:49peturwebguest84: there's a reset hole at the bottom
23:27:14webguest84yes thats right, was leaving as a last resort if possible, but hd is spinning and don't want to do permanent damage.
23:27:24dan_abarrywardell: Only just seen it - I'm testing now.
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23:27:29jhMikeSthat's why I can never remember going to the doctor. hmm :P
23:28:16peturwebguest84: it won't hurt :)
23:28:47diluted^says the guy on the other side of the world
23:29:14peturtrust me, I've done this a lot already ;)
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23:29:41webguest84can see veiwers config, loading 871 bytes, decoding markers, then unsuppoted 0 in box in centre. Light is on
23:29:49webguest84thanks petur
23:30:10webguest84am hoping not to have to reload all my tunes
23:30:37peturand this is a fresh install?
23:31:11webguest84I had tunes on already. Is that not a great idea?
23:31:40peturI mean a fresh rockbox install
23:31:45webguest84yes
23:32:09peturand it always crashes like that?
23:32:14webguest84actually no, 1 update
23:32:20 Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah")
23:32:25webguest841st crash
23:32:29webguest84full battery!
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23:33:05peturand when you upgraded, you unzipped the whole thing and not just rockbox.iriver
23:33:53webguest84yes unzipped directly to root hving patched iriver firmware
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23:34:56webguest84then again with cvs
23:35:15webguest84same process as instructed
23:35:16peturwebguest84: I see, this was while using the jpeg viewer
23:35:36peturdoes it always crash on the same file?
23:35:48webguest84trying to open it - it wasn't having it
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23:36:10webguest84I was trying to just browse and it was my first crash
23:36:17peturis the jpeg file ok?
23:36:38peturit seems the jpeg viewer didn't like the file you gave it
23:38:00webguest84was only trying to open viewer, had not selected any jpeg - wasn't sure which way round it worked. Can't access anything right now its frozen
23:38:19webguest84did't give it a file?
23:38:37peturwhat do you mean with 'open viewer'?
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23:38:59peturthe error you got comes from the jpeg viewer plugin
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23:39:33webguest84I was just browsing and thought the jpeg viewer was an application that would select a jpeg
23:40:04webguest84so went into it, it wouldn't open so I went into jpeg config
23:40:18webguest84thats when it froze
23:40:19dan_abarrywardell: 0x75f800 blocks now, of 1024 bytes each. That would make the capacity nearly 7.5 GB
23:40:41jhMikeSI see no qualm with the way jpeg uses the memory atm
23:41:09webguest84I was going at it a bit blindly I'm afraid
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23:42:19peturwebguest84: I still don't understand what you did. Did you try to start jpeg.rock?
23:42:28webguest84yes
23:43:05peturseems it doesn't like it when you do that - here it just shows an error and quits.
23:43:20peturthe viewers aren't made to be launched like that
23:43:41peturthey are run when you select a supported file
23:43:42jhMikeSyou can do an Open With... though
23:44:10webguest84i didn't realise that
23:44:32*petur just reproduced the crash
23:44:58webguest84i opened something like jpeg config or perhaps it was viewer config.. its all very new still
23:45:04*petur starts looking for paperclip ;)
23:45:15webguest84ha ha
23:45:50webguest84does it say unsupported 0 in the middle?
23:45:53peturyes
23:45:59webguest84ok
23:46:12peturlooking at the code now ;)
23:46:24webguest84guess i was somewhere i shouldn't have been
23:46:39peturindeed
23:46:54peturto run plugins, just use the menu
23:47:00webguest84hard to know first time around!
23:47:04peturno need to browse inside .rockbox
23:47:08webguest84will do
23:47:08jhMikeSIt doesn't check if parameter is NULL for one thing
23:47:20*petur points to the manual
23:47:47webguest84yes i was getting carried away browsing
23:47:48peturI bet change_filename() kills it if it's started like that
23:48:15webguest84?
23:48:38peturtalking about the jpeg viewer code
23:48:40jhMikeSIt really should just exit gracfully
23:48:58peturit shouldn't try to decode in the first place
23:50:10webguest84I've been keeping track of rockbox for over a year before taking the plunge - I have to say, what I saw pre-crash was extremely impressive.
23:50:12jhMikeSnope. if parameter is NULL just return PLUGIN_ERROR maybe display a nice splash screen
23:51:50*petur pokes cygwin a bit
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23:53:29webguest84Thanks for your help guys, will maybe catch you some other time.
23:54:05peturyes, do get yourself a nick ;)
23:54:34webguest84over my head i'm afraid
23:55:17peturyou've already shown you master the keys in the center of your keyboard :p
23:56:23webguest84;)
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