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#rockbox log for 2006-11-10

00:00:06 Join voyeur [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-07895d2b84f17b15)
00:03:01Soapdang Paul_the_Nerd, I'm sad I missed the exchange between you and "alex".
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00:06:43voyeurSoap : http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ ?
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00:07:22Soapnah, voyer - in the forums.
00:07:40voyeuroups, sorry
00:09:04Soapno need to be sorry.
00:09:08grrrahamcheers petur for nudge in the right direction. Thanks for tips with ihp too.
00:09:17scorcheSoap: still no tab-completion i see ;)
00:09:24petureh?
00:09:28grrrahambest get to bed before girlfriend leaves me!
00:09:40grrrahamyou advised i got a nick
00:09:47peturah, got a nick ;)
00:10:00grrraham;)
00:10:06peturgoodnight then
00:10:11grrrahamnight
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00:10:24SoapI blame Chatzilla, scorche .
00:10:50 Join midgey34 [0] (n=tjross@markely-164-75.reshall.umich.edu)
00:10:50scorchethen get another client, Soap .
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00:11:38SoapI just installed. You should feel honoured, all I have installed so far is Firefox and Chatzilla.
00:11:57Paul_the_NerdI thought Chatzilla had tab completion...
00:12:41Soapoh, it does, but I still blame it.
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00:40:20*JdGordon finished!!! wooooooy
00:40:45scorchegrats!
00:41:24dan_aJdGordon: What are you doing on IRC then? You should be getting some beers in you!
00:41:31scorcheno kidding
00:41:36JdGordonits 10.40am.. id rather go back to bed
00:42:01JdGordoni know for sure all my firends who are finished are still in bed :p
00:42:52JdGordonamiconn: you still up?
00:43:08dan_aPffft - Students these days! When I finished my last exams it was straight out to the pub and no getting back until the next morning
00:43:35peturgot an alcohol problem then?
00:44:41JdGordongrr.. the 1 day this week he leaves before 2am...
00:45:18peturits 0:45 am in most of Europe
00:45:20dan_aThe island I live on has been described as 80,000 drunks clinging to a rock...
00:45:31peturlol
00:45:34JdGordonhaha
00:49:23*barrywardell did the same as dan_a when he finished his exams
00:49:50barrywardellbut then I'm Irish, so no surprise there!
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00:51:48Genre9mp3we do this almost every day here! :P
00:52:02voyeurGenre9mp3:where ?
00:52:10Genre9mp3Greece
00:52:31voyeurmmm, ouzo leaves me good remembers
00:52:56Genre9mp3ouzo usually leaves me bad ones! :)
00:53:21pixelmaif it leaves some at all :P
00:53:32voyeurlol
00:53:37Genre9mp3hehe...yeah, that, too!
00:54:05voyeurfrance is not bad with alcool too
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00:56:02*Genre9mp3 says "beer" to trigger petur
00:56:39*scorche says "mahna mahna" to trigger petur
00:56:51*petur is sipping some baileys and doesn't care
00:56:58JdGordonpetur: check this vid out.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLy8sk0MAeY&mode=related&search=
00:57:07JdGordonbah, bailies sux
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00:57:36scottderEvenin all
00:57:53JdGordonhowdy
00:58:28Genre9mp3JdGordon: lol (about the vid)
00:59:00scottderAnyone ever have aac files that lock up Rockbox, no error....just locks and need to do a reset?
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01:00:38scottderthey were created in itunes...
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01:11:27yipeI fixed it!
01:11:46*yipe does the happy rockox dance
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01:18:39Nimdaemahna mahna
01:19:02dan_ado dooo do do do
01:19:23scorchedo do do do!
01:19:41scorchecrap...add an extra do there
01:20:17Nimdaeyou totally ruined it
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01:20:31scorchei know!
01:21:25JdGordonyour all nuts
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02:02:25rigelhey, have the volume/poweroff issues been solved on the h10? when it gets really low on battery power it always increases the volume to +6 dB and i cant turn it off.
02:02:36rigelim using a firmware from like 4 or 5 days ago though
02:03:27Paul_the_NerdIt's a hardware thing, so the only real solution would be for it to automatically shut down earlier, I think.
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02:13:06barrywardellrigel: not solved yet.
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02:16:55rigelanything i can do to help?
02:25:40barrywardellyou could test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3001
02:25:56barrywardelli haven't tested it myself but it sounds like it might fix it
02:32:02barrywardellactually, any reason why that patch hasn't been committed yet?
02:37:13JdGordonlooks like tomsz stuffed up the ifp target tree commit..
02:38:45barrywardellhe probably forgot to cvs add the new files
02:38:55JdGordonyeah, should i do it for him?
02:39:05JdGordonor leave it?
02:40:48jhMikeSJdGordon: Do it for him. I did a commit but it's so tiny I hate to see a build just for it.
02:40:59jhMikeS:)
02:41:16JdGordonna, in the fs page he said he cleaned it up a bit, so iv just reopened it and left the rest for him
02:41:26JdGordonalso its too late anyway if you just commited
02:41:39jhMikeSIt's taking it's time to start a new build on it.
02:41:55jhMikeSstil hasn't started it's been awhile
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02:42:33JdGordondepending on which folder you commited to it might not even rebuild
02:42:42jhMikeSbacklight.h
02:42:47JdGordonwell then it should
02:42:57jhMikeSbeen about maybe 8 min
02:43:11JdGordonhaha, it doesnt like you then
02:43:33jhMikeS:P ... it's mad at me too
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02:45:34jhMikeSmust be offended by my humor too ... but that's hardwired
02:45:53JdGordondid you do a witty commit message?
02:46:18jhMikeSno...things I say here probably piss some people off or make them scared
02:46:54JdGordonbut the build server? i doubt it reads the logs :p even during the boring times.. im sure its got more fun things to do
02:47:12jhMikeSI think the great and powerful build master forgave me
02:47:15JdGordonunless of course, logbot is on that box
02:48:00JdGordoni tihnk i actually disagree with putting those settings in the config
02:48:34JdGordonbut meh, too late to worry
02:48:37jhMikeSthey're player specific in a big way
02:48:53jhMikeSthe contrast stuff was moved before I ever did it
02:50:54jhMikeScould have a settings-target.h that defines such things
02:51:55JdGordonyes, that would be good. although i guess thats what config-target is for anyway
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02:56:46jhMikeSmaybe I'll put my pic up on the my personal page and scare everyone else away >:)
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02:57:34Nimdaewon't work
02:57:38Nimdaeno one is more hideous than me
02:57:43jhMikeSlol
02:57:55jhMikeSI'll get the psychotic look just so...
02:58:09Nimdaehttp://www.nimdae.com/pics/mahnaspray2.jpg
02:58:42JdGordonholy crap!
02:59:39Nimdaeexactly
02:59:41jhMikeSdon't know if you know the show "American Chopper" but you look like Mikey...or are you the pink thing put in twice?
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03:00:02Nimdaeactually, mikey has lighter color hair
03:01:08JdGordonhe doent look like mikey
03:01:17Nimdaehttp://www.nimdae.com/pics/me-12-29-03.jpg
03:01:19Nimdaethere
03:01:23Nimdaeold pic but meh
03:01:30JdGordonok, that 1 maybe
03:02:00jhMikeSok, won't say it...ok will say it: serial killer photo
03:02:07jhMikeS:P
03:02:16jhMikeSthere I go again
03:02:20Nimdaehttp://www.nimdae.com/pics/img_0076.jpg and that is my teddy bear
03:03:12jhMikeSwith a nice axe
03:04:03Nimdaenot really
03:04:33jhMikeSno? what's wrong with a strat?
03:04:40Nimdaelook at what series it is
03:04:41Nimdae:P
03:05:02Nimdaethat's like a $50 guitar
03:05:10Nimdaewith one of the pickups not working
03:07:02Nimdaewhy is it that the 30gb 5g ipod has a 400 mAh battery, but the lowest value that can be chosen is 1300 mAh? does this affect anything?
03:08:24jhMikeSI think it affect the batter time left calculation
03:08:38Nimdaehmmm...
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03:09:05Nimdaewell if memory serves me right, the 60gb ipod has a 500something mAh battery and the 30gb a 400 mAh battery
03:09:18jhMikeSRB should run till the player dies afaik
03:09:31Nimdaeit does
03:09:32scorchethe calculation is not accurate anyway, so pay it no mind....it is there mainly for other devices which have a much easier to guess playtime
03:09:47Nimdaeheh
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03:10:24Nimdaewell, the calculation shouldn't be based on the capacity of the battery
03:10:27Terinjokeshey! how is rockbox's audiobook support?
03:10:35Nimdaei like making guesstimates based on usage ;)
03:10:49scorchecapacity is just one factor
03:11:10scorcheTerinjokes: what exactly do you mean?
03:12:05Terinjokeswell, audiobooks are sometimes very long audio files, and starting at 00:00 everytime would kinda suck
03:12:26Nimdaepause :)
03:12:27scorcherockbox supports bookmarking
03:12:35Nimdaeand bookmarking
03:13:25Terinjokesok, and how may i "bookmark" (sorry, haven't seen it in any of the builds i've used)
03:13:35jhMikeSDon't know why millseconds are used for position. Should use sample position in the output.
03:13:38scorcheread the manual =)
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03:15:55Terinjokesok...manual it is ;-)
03:17:49Terinjokesi'm sad apple fired "the apple guy"
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03:20:58pagefaultthat was fun
03:21:00pagefaultreinstalling network drivers on the fly
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03:21:50jhMikeSagain? probably caught using rockbox
03:25:38jhMikeSit's probably not who I was thinking
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03:44:24Terinjokesany progress on nano 2?
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03:47:30Terinjokesyes, no?
03:47:39scorcheno
03:48:39Terinjokeshrm, may i ask why?
03:48:56scorcheyou may not =)
03:49:18Terinjokesok, then can you tell me ;-)
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03:49:47kkurbjunhow do the bitmaps for each target in the plugins work?
03:50:30kkurbjunare the bitmap .c files automatically all built or do they need to be linked in a SOURCES like file?
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03:51:34scorcheTerinjokes: it is the same reason any other port would not get attention....it doesnt have one or multiple of the following: a person with the capability to port, a person with the device itself, a person with the motivation to port, a person with the time to port
03:51:54scorches/multiple/more
03:52:44Terinjokesscorche, i understand, perhap's i'll invest some free time on porting it, just as it turns out, i have no free time
03:57:24yipeI'd just like to interrupt for one moment that rockbox is awesome, and thank you for making it
03:57:47yipes/moment/moment to say
03:57:55*Terinjokes seconds that motion
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03:58:17Soapcrack the encryption so the Apple firmware can be decrypted.
03:58:39TerinjokesSoap, what?
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04:00:09SoapConsidering the Nano 2nd Gen's hardware is unknown, reverse engineering the firmware would be the logical first step to creating drivers.
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04:00:41yipebut can rockbox use information obtained that way legally?
04:00:48SoapConsidering the Nano 2nd gen's stock firmware is encrypted, cracking open the encryption would be the logical first step to reverse engineering it.
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04:01:25rasheryipe: sure
04:02:12rasherReverse engineering is not illegal. Not even in USA
04:02:41rasherunless you're using it to circumvent copy control designed to prevent copying of a copyrighted work
04:02:49yipeare you sure? Using code we found by decrypting some patented software?
04:02:58Soapnot using the code
04:03:06Soapstudying the code to see how the hardware works.
04:03:10yipeahhh
04:03:11rasher(in which case it is not legal in USA, but everywhere else)
04:03:14TerinjokesDCMA i believe states that reverse-engineering is allowed to provide better support (or something like that)
04:03:16yipelol
04:03:54Soapcompatibility, which means 100 years from now you will be allowed to crack CSS so you can make a DVD player.
04:04:01jhMikeSDoes it really refer to circumvention only for copying? That's a good loophole if so.
04:04:11Soapbut not to copy the movie if it is still protected.
04:04:38Soapprotected by copyright that is.
04:05:42Terinjokeshrm, anyone know how to combine mp3s into one file?
04:05:58rasherAssuming the DMCA hasn't been tossed on the Great Chemical Fire (along with every politician responsible) by then
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04:11:06jhMikeSTerinjokes: there's a good free program for that and now can't recall the name, I'll try to find it.
04:11:25Terinjokesaudicity doesn't work...so don't say that
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04:15:21jhMikeSTerinjokes: not sure that's it...petur told me and I'm blanking. but then again
04:16:02Terinjokesi know you can do it via the terminal, but was hoping for a better solution
04:17:12jhMikeSmp3DirectCut
04:17:17jhMikeSthat's the one
04:17:41Soapif you just smush two together as I assume you mean in terminal and have ID3v1 and v2 you will have <tag>MPEGAUDIO<tag><tag>MPEGAUDIO<tag>
04:18:26Terinjokesmp3DirectCut is windows only, sorry
04:19:38Soapwine it, dine it.
04:19:56TerinjokesSoap, wine is x86 only, sorry
04:25:39Terinjokesthere, just used the terminal to 'cat orignal_01.mp3 >> new.mp3' for every file
04:30:08JdGordonwhat the hell is the point of that? cp does the exact same thing
04:30:29JdGordonoh, 2 >'s woops
04:30:33JdGordonignore me
04:30:40JdGordon... that wouldnt make a legal mp3 tho would it?
04:30:49JdGordonthe metadata would be screwed
04:30:56scorche...as Soap said
04:31:18*JdGordon hasn been reading the log.. just the last 3 lines
04:31:38scorchego up 3 more
04:32:12Soapnot only would the metadata be screwed, but there will be a gap at the seam, even if you remove the tags.
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04:48:51elljaydumb quesiton.. after i change all my settings and i shutdown.. at next boot i have nothing
04:48:54elljayhow do i write my changes?
04:49:03elljay(ipod 5g)
04:51:19JdGordonmenu > manage settings > write config file
04:51:47elljayk
04:51:53elljayit brings up a keyboard like thing
04:51:54elljaysays
04:52:04elljay /.rockbox/config01.cfg at the bottom
04:52:14JdGordonyes, u need to choose the location.. i dont know how to use it for the ipod
04:56:05elljayah
04:56:09elljayit autosaves on shutdown
04:56:19elljayBUT if you start the ipod with the hold enabled it reverts to defaults
04:56:27elljayhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7212.msg56432;topicseen
04:56:29elljayvery good
04:56:32elljaythanks jd
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06:55:37unable2raphello all
06:56:00unable2rapanyone?
06:56:59unable2rapi need some help if anyone is there
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07:42:50rigelhow do i add a patch to my firmware
07:43:04rigelim really clueless. all i do is replace the filetree on my h10.
07:43:08rigeli dont ever compile
07:44:05JdGordondo you know howto compile?
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07:46:37amiconnmorning
07:46:49JdGordonmorning
07:46:55scorchemorning
07:46:58amiconnkkurbjun: Any reason why the new clock logo is mono instead of native?
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07:47:44kkurbjunI wanted it to match the foreground background settings for the color firmware
07:48:27kkurbjunI guess it could be changed, but it looked funny with an all white background when the main backgorund was set to a different color
07:49:02kkurbjunand I was worried that a transparent background wouldn't show if the colors were set particularly
07:49:17amiconnYou could use a colour logo and the use lcd_bitmap_transparent() in the plugin
07:49:38kkurbjunyep, that's where I was worried about the logo not showing
07:49:49scorchefinally got my dad to put rockbox on his ajbr...he wants it taken off now =(
07:50:02kkurbjunif I used black text for the logo, and the background color was set black
07:50:09kkurbjunthen the logo wouldn't show, correct?
07:50:22amiconnOnly if the logo is single colour
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07:50:37amiconn...but then you wouldn't need a native bitmap
07:50:56amiconnThe other option would be to fix the background in the plugin
07:51:07kkurbjunyep, that's what I was using for now. I was jsut scaling the original logo up by converting it to an svg and then rendering for each depth
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07:51:35amiconnOf course, if you don't want the logo to be more than single colour, using a mono bitmap saves memory
07:51:47kkurbjuntrue
07:51:48amiconn...but drawing a mono bitmap is slower
07:52:22amiconnscorche: Huh? On recorder v1??
07:52:31scorcheyeah...
07:52:40scorcheapparently he claims it takes forever to change tracks...which stems from him putting all of his files in one folder im sure
07:53:00kkurbjunI was thinking it might be nice is the clock still used the same colors as the rest of the interface too..
07:53:26amiconnThe recv1 archos firmware's UI is really awkward, but probably the strongest argument is the ticking noise...
07:53:42kkurbjunOr if the backdrop carried over into the plugin
07:54:12kkurbjun(for the clock that is)
07:54:40scorcheyes...i know...i have one too of course....maybe i should just spend the time to properly organize his music for him...just thought it was odd that archos firmware doesnt take near as much time to find the track as rockbox does
07:55:27amiconnHow many tracks are we talking about? I haven't observed any slow track changing on my recorder
07:56:26scorchea few thousand...i can check the exact amount when he gets home
07:56:58scorchebut i made a folder on mine with about 300 in it and noticed it does indeed take slightly longer to load tracks in that folder
07:57:09amiconnHmm, my largest folder contains 229 tracks
07:57:44amiconnIs that with rombox?
07:57:54scorchemake a playlist with a couple folders with 5 in them and then have your large folder...there is a difference
07:57:59scorcheit isnt
07:59:54JdGordonuse tagcache?
08:00
08:00:43amiconnOne thing I observed with rombox is that handling large lists is noticeably slower
08:00:47scorchei didnt try...i never use the feature
08:00:53amiconnEspecially visible with tagcache
08:00:58scorche(@ JdGordon)
08:01:34amiconnscorche: The reason is probably the way .playlist_control is handled on hwcodec
08:01:56amiconnMaybe we can back-port the thread method to hwcodec
08:02:12*amiconn would like to ask hardeep about that
08:05:42amiconnjhMikeS: Regarding the lcd-h100.c split: For greyscale ipods (ipods are already split but the device specific parts are still in firmware/drivers) I was lazy and just used 2 dibits arrays...
08:05:49*myzar licks scorche
08:05:52amiconnMaybe I should fix that
08:06:35*scorche is surprised myzar is speaking in here again =P
08:07:10kkurbjunamiconn: how do you feel about exposing lcd_set_backdrop to the plugins? My thought was for plugins that are not really graphical they could set the backdrop back to the core backdrop for a more consistent feel.
08:08:22amiconnProbably
08:09:07amiconnIn fact we should rethink the plugin start. Maybe it's better to keep the colours (and backdrop) and let the plugin handle desired changes
08:09:30amiconn(that would still require to expose lcd_backdrop)
08:10:14amiconnThe graphical plugins mostly set their own values anyway
08:10:30kkurbjunI kind of like that idea - I think overall it would give a more polished look when using the plugins
08:10:43kkurbjunkind of = do
08:11:58scorcheamiconn: yeah...it is beyond me atm...are you going to speak to him about it, or should i?
08:12:30kkurbjunI could look into doing that eventually. My time has been limited as of late, but it shouldn't be too time consuming.
08:17:33kkurbjunamiconn, Another quesion about funcitons in the core: there's been a sscanf file in the core common directory for a while, but it was never compiled in. I would like to use it for a doom addon, and I know the original version was broken- I've fixed it enough to work for doom, and I know on some of the targets space is tight, but would it be acceptable to build it into the core or should I just build the funciton into doom?
08:19:05kkurbjunfunciton = function
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08:27:30amiconnI'd say build it into doom for now
08:28:04swissDiurnambuleHi there.. Nothing new about cpufreq problem with ipod 4g photo ?
08:28:17amiconnBtw, nice to see that at least some other devs are also looking into fixing plugins for our variety of targets :)
08:30:06kkurbjunok, that works. : ), glad to help. I just updated the plugin loader and the clock looks pretty nice with the existing core backdrop. I'll test out the rest of the plugins and do a commit on that later. It was faster and easier then I was expecting : ).
08:30:45midkayhooray.
08:31:13amiconnlcd_set_backdrop() still needs to be exported and thegraphical plugins need to remove backdrop while they're running
08:32:01kkurbjunyep, I exported it, and I'll update the plugins that need to set the backdrop to null later.. I'm exposing lcd_set and lcd_get backdrop
08:32:35scorchehrm...maybe i should start fixing plugins...i have been bored lately
08:32:35kkurbjunso if a plugin wants to set a fullscreen backdrop it can
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08:33:19myzarnothing can stop me, scorche
08:33:26myzarno amount of criticism, hating, or RACIAL SLURS
08:33:33scorchemyzar: i can =)
08:33:49myzarthe only way to stop me is to sedate me with a night of rough sex
08:33:54myzarLETS SEE YOU DO IT, TOUGH GUY
08:34:01myzar;p
08:34:01*scorche sets mode +m
08:34:13*myzar humps scorche
08:34:14pondlifeamiconn: Your X5 IRAM change probably needs echoing in playback.c.
08:34:23amiconnoh?
08:34:27scorcheick...we need to have you neutered
08:34:36pondlifeif defined(IAUDIO_X5) #define CODEC_IRAM_ORIGIN 0x10014000
08:34:43amiconnI thought that was centralised some time ago...
08:34:48pondlifeIt really needs moving to the config...
08:34:49amiconnoops
08:34:56amiconndefinitely
08:35:17pondlifeI would, but (a) I don't really understand it and (b) still immersed in Real Life.
08:36:42myzarpondlife, you can TOTALLY program and have a real life
08:36:48myzar...oh, you mean the MMO Real Life
08:36:56pondlifeNo, I mean Real Life (TM)
08:37:01myzarI stand corrected
08:37:35amiconnpondlife: Not only the origin, but also the size
08:37:41pondlifeFor me, Real Life involves plenty of programming, but none of it Rockbox related
08:37:44pondlifeYes
08:38:05pondlifeThe whole IRAM/DRAM stuff that varies by target should be shuffled off somewhere central
08:39:40amiconnI'll commit a quick fix for now
08:41:49midkaykkurbjun: ooh, a clock update.
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08:43:44kkurbjunmidkay, yep, still needs some updated images for the binary and plain clock though
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08:45:23kkurbjunthe logo changed a little bit - I tired to keep it as original as possible - i used inkscape to convert the original image to an svg and then scaled it for each target
08:45:56kkurbjunif you're interested in changing the logo I have the svg file if it would help at all
08:47:41midkaykkurbjun: thanks for the effort, it looks quite similar but i don't particularly care for the logo itself. i'd like to create up some new bitmaps and a new logo maybe.. time permitting.
08:48:19midkayone thing you should do is remove the #ifdef LCD_WIDTH > 112 & LCD_HEIGHT > 64 lcd_drawlines.. somewhere in the plugin entry point.
08:48:51kkurbjunyeah, I'm not offended at all if you want to change it, it was just a quick way for me to scale it up
08:49:52kkurbjunwhere is that?
08:49:56midkaythat's cool, i appreciate it, i'm happy that you kept the original design intact as much as possible. :) it still might need changing but the effort is definitely appreciated.
08:50:31midkayit should be near the bottom, somewhere around where i call if(clock.mode == ANALOG) analog_mode(); else if(... and before the button code.
08:51:14midkaymy bad, it's..
08:51:16midkay#if (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_4G_PAD)
08:51:41midkaylook for that.. it should have been based on LCD width/height but it was kinda placeholder, forgot to update it for lcd size instead of just ipod pad.
08:53:03kkurbjunwhat does that do?
08:53:18kkurbjundo you want the lines on the screen?
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08:54:04kkurbjunI'll look into it later.. I need to sleep - gotta work early
08:54:18midkaytoss the ifdef and its code, it was just to draw a small border around the smaller-than-LCD clock..
08:54:28midkayjust to define the 112x64 area where the archos LCD would be..
08:54:42midkaywhenever, that's fine.. it's ugly on my 5G though. :)
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08:56:32ravonAnyone else who has problems building on Coldfire targets?
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09:02:39Bagderravon: still?
09:02:42daurnyo
09:02:52daurnsup all
09:02:52Bagdercvs builds seem fine now
09:03:45*pondlife had a thought
09:04:01ravonJust updated from cvs and made sure I haven't got any modifications of my own
09:04:09ravon/home/marco/dev/rockbox/vanilla/build/librockbox.a(system-coldfire.o): In function `CDROMNEWBLK':
09:04:11ravonsystem-coldfire.c:(.text+0x4): undefined reference to `system_display_exception_info'
09:04:23ravondamn, meeting.. brb
09:04:47pondlifeWhen someone attempts to use the Database/ID3 view and TagCache hasn't been initialised, should we just ask them if they want to initialise now?
09:05:13Slasheripondlife: please free to implement that :)
09:05:15pondlifeA numbe of new users seem to stumble at this point.
09:05:23Bagdersounds like a sound approach
09:05:26JdGordonand then what? wait 5 min before its useable?
09:05:31pondlifeYes
09:05:44Slasheribtw, now a host support of the tagcache has been committed
09:05:53pondlifeWell, no. Back to the previous view for a bit I guess.
09:05:54Nimdaegod, i got this jbl on stage ii thing for my ipod and i've been freakign out because i can't control anything but volume, and i just realized it's because of rockbox :(
09:06:04Slasheriwith a new tool database.c (that is a bare skeleton without any options)
09:06:16BagderSlasheri: nice!
09:06:40Bagderbut we need to work on the endian issue
09:06:41Slasheriand i forgot to mention in the commit message that also a problem has been fixed when initializing db with too long filenames
09:06:45Slasheriyep
09:08:34swissDiurnambuleSorry to disturb your technical discussions but do you know if something has been planned about the freezes of the ipod 4g color dued to cpufreq... ? (other than disabling cpu scaling which empties the battery after 2 hours...)
09:08:37pondlifeWas a decision made regarding endian-ness? i.e. whether file format should be target-independent?
09:09:01pondlifeswissDiurnambule: Have you tried the patches on Flyspray?
09:09:05Bagderlet's add command line options for what target it should be generated for
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09:09:17locutoxHELLO
09:09:21pondlifeSearch for experimental scaling or similar
09:09:32locutoxwhy isn't rockbox on nano 2g
09:09:38swissDiurnambuleno I tried cpufreq3 patch.. which works but makes problems with scrolling and sometimes playback
09:09:46Nimdaelocutox: because it's new hardware
09:09:58locutoxlol you said hard
09:10:15locutoxis there any news on progress or anything?
09:10:26Nimdaehave you checked the forum?
09:10:30locutoxi kinda bought it so i could use rockbox with the flac and stuff
09:10:39locutoxbut it didn't occur to me that it wouldn't be supported
09:10:56*pondlife bought a new toaster yesterday :)
09:11:01Nimdaeyeah...i've been thinking about getting a nano..been looking at the refurbs that apple offers of the 1g
09:11:05locutoxthe rockbox site is a penis to navigate
09:11:22Nimdaeis it really?
09:11:24pondlifeSuggestions for improvement?
09:11:34Nimdaei mean, i see a menu on the left, and there is a link called "forums"
09:11:35swissDiurnambuleok thanks... In fact I was wondering if anybody was aware of that problem...
09:11:36locutoxi dislike apple but the nano rules :D
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09:12:01Nimdaepetur: mahna mahna
09:12:07pondlifeNa na na na na
09:12:12pondlife:(
09:12:18peturwow
09:12:20Nimdaegod, why does everyone have to ruin it?
09:12:22Bagderlocutox: it'll be quite some time before we can support Nano 2gen, if ever
09:12:29pondlifeNimdae: You ruined it already
09:12:34locutoxBagder :(
09:12:38NimdaeD:
09:13:04Nimdaei'm gonna go see if there's any work on getting remotes to work on ipods
09:13:18locutoxim working on a little project and i need a programmable mp3 player damnit
09:13:35locutoxand i bought the wrong damn one
09:13:36JdGordonBagder: is the script behind the cvs build table avaiable anywhere?
09:13:37pondlifeI've got an Archos Recorder going on eBay soon.
09:13:42BagderJdGordon: nope
09:13:44peturso many nice players and you had to pick an ipod
09:13:50pondlifeWith remote and full car kit.
09:14:01JdGordonBagder: can you make it available please?
09:14:03pondlifeWonder if anyone will want it though...
09:14:11Nimdaelocutox: return it and go here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=32DAAC51&nclm=Certified
09:14:14locutoxpetur: i wanted one that was small
09:15:11BagderJdGordon: sure, I'll just have to remove the sensitive stuff from it
09:16:41locutoxis rockbox hard to develop for
09:17:17Bagderno
09:17:26locutoxcool :D
09:17:26markunlocutox: not very hard, but it takes some time to find out where everything is
09:18:07markunlocutox: what is bothering you about the website?
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09:18:14locutoxwould it be possible to change sample rates on the fly?
09:18:26locutoxor speed up/slow down playback of songs
09:18:47Nimdaedepends on the hardware
09:18:51markunmorning LinusN
09:18:58LinusNmarkun: moo
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09:19:17Nimdaei dunno what's in the new nano, but the 5g hardware wouldn't be able to, i would think
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09:20:23Nimdaeman, i kinda like this speaker dock thing i got
09:20:28Nimdaesounds pretty good
09:20:33Nimdaetoo bad remote doesn't work :(
09:21:34LinusNkkurbjun: there?
09:21:56locutoxmarkun: i wanted to find out if rockbox could play mods properly and where to get mod playing builds
09:24:27markunlocutox: there is at least one mod codec for rockbox, but I've never tried it
09:24:51BagderLinusN: he said he was going to bed about 30mins ago
09:25:02LinusNoh
09:26:08JdGordonBagder: ah ok, dw bout it then
09:26:41BagderJdGordon: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/buildmaster.txt
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09:27:04Bagderit is not complete, it relies on other scripts
09:27:29JdGordonthanks
09:28:12JdGordonand im off... cyaz
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09:30:34locutoxbah reading up on the 2g it looks like its encrypted tofuck:/
09:30:48locutoxbut atleast when i say i have a NEW NANO it really is new
09:31:38Bagderand that is important?
09:31:58locutoxwell there'd be no point showing it off if it was just the old bits in a new case
09:33:15BagderI've never "showed off" any player so I can't tell
09:33:27locutoxthats cause your player is shit
09:33:57Bagdernow, you behave or you better leave
09:34:02*petur did show off rockbox :)
09:34:09locutoxok :D
09:34:12locutoxi wish i had rockbox:/
09:34:18petur:p
09:34:38locutoxthen maybe i wouldnt have to encode 10kb mod files to 5mb mp3s
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09:42:12Nimdaeawww, no one has the accessory thing figured out on the ipod yet :(
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09:46:44peturNimdae: there's a wiki page over at ipodlinux iirc
09:48:01*petur is gathering some testers for the recording update at taperssection.com
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09:48:28Nimdaeyeah, i found some info on it
09:48:39Nimdaeapparently it's been figured out, but i haven't found anything that says it actually works
09:50:10LinusNafaik, many parts of the accessory protocol are known, but we still don't know how to access the serial port
09:52:22Nimdaesometimes i wish i wasn't an idiot :P
09:52:46LinusNhmmm, looks like they have figured that out too...
09:53:04Nimdaeyeah, i'm seeing hints they figured out the serial port, but not the usb port
09:53:18Nimdaesomeone claims to have figured out the usb, but there's no hard evidence
09:54:46LinusNhard evidence, like a shaky video with weird al music? :-)
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09:57:03Nimdaeor an ascii drawing perhaps
09:57:35peturLinusN: do you have an opened h3x0? I was wondering if pin4 of the uspotg port is connected somewhere. Also would like to know how the charge pump is connected. Because the isp1362 has an output to control an external chargepump but there was this code in the disassembly that makes us think otherwise
09:58:36peturI'm stuck with the driver waiting for VBus rise, so it could be I'm not getting the chargepump on
09:58:37LinusNi haven't examined those parts
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09:59:04peturstill must measure on the connector
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10:00:02peturthe weird thing is the ID pin is connected to the coldfire as it's suppposed to be connected to pin4 on the usbotg connector (with a pull-up)
10:00:35peturmaybe iriver wanted to make sure it would only operate in the mode they want
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10:07:33Nimdaegod i love living so close to woot.com
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10:11:41Nimdaeok, so, there is no net gain while ipod is connected to computer, but there is while plugged just into power?
10:13:03Nimdaei figured it'd be the same both ways, but my ipod went from 70something% to now 97% while playing from jbl dock, heh
10:14:08markunSome more Gigabeat progress: http://picasaweb.google.com/kot.begemot/Gigabeat/photo#4995681346297397266
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10:15:54Nimdaesweet
10:16:10Nimdaei take it this is a new port?
10:17:52peturmarkun: nice
10:17:54linuxstb_markun: Nice. What is left to do before the file browser is working?
10:19:06markunlinuxstb_: This is vadim's build. I'm trying to get it up-to-date and then check what's left to be done.
10:19:47linuxstb_Any idea if the button driver is working?
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10:20:43markunhe told me it's not working. But I've wrote a little test which prints the button presses to the screen and it worked fine.
10:22:06markunNimdae: yes, a new port
10:22:06thegeekI love the _awsome_ progress Rockbox have had these last few years
10:23:02thegeekgoing from a good firmware for archos players only to what is really becoming a LOT of different devices
10:23:08Nimdaei wish i could get a friend of mine to work on rockbox
10:23:12Nimdaehe writes asm while drunk
10:23:21peturrofl
10:23:31peturdoes it also work?
10:23:37Nimdaeallegedly
10:23:38thegeekcoding while drunk is a dangerous thing;P
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10:23:56Nimdaehe's told me about some of his C comments from when he coded drunk
10:23:56Nimdaeheh
10:24:31*petur doesn't need alcohol to write weird comments in his code :)
10:24:35Nimdaehe'd be coding, it'd look wrong, so he // note to self, fix this while sober
10:25:01Nimdaethen he'd look at it while sober and be like "wtf was i trying to do?"
10:25:34peturI bet he writes for microsoft?
10:25:39Nimdaenaa
10:25:42*petur ducks
10:25:47Nimdaehe doesn't code professionally
10:25:58Nimdaeexcept for some php at work
10:26:08Nimdae(we work at the same place)
10:27:09Nimdaei don't code drunk and i still question my own code
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10:27:36Nimdaetook me a week to get a crc32 algorithm working in tcl :(
10:28:01markunNimdae: does he have a DAP?
10:28:10Nimdaehe has a 1g nano
10:28:12Nimdaerunning rockbox
10:30:12Nimdaeoh yeah, i just updated rockbox, i should play with it a bit
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10:31:35Nimdaei'm off
10:31:36Nimdaenite
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11:57:26andrewmelHi all, looking for a little general help
11:58:52markunandrewmel: what's the problem
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12:00:13andrewmelI am trying to get my head around the chessbox code to make what I hope are a few small simple changes. I now realise that it is, of course, a much more complex set up :)
12:00:17andrewmelWhat are .h files?
12:01:15dionoeado you know how to code C ?
12:02:50andrewmelI have done some small changes in the metronome.c program, adding a menu system and some code so you can set every x beat to be a different sound. so you can get ding, tick, tick, tick for a 4 beats per bar.
12:03:19andrewmelhowever I was much better at Pascal than I am at C
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12:03:58markunandrewmel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Header_file
12:11:17andrewmelmarkun: thanks, that makes it more clear.
12:12:48andrewmelI want to add a small change to chessbox, so that it makes two squares appear a little different, the ones the piece moved to and from. this way when it is your move you will be able to see the computers last move.
12:14:36andrewmelI am hoping I only need fill two variables, one to store those positions, and then use them in the cb_drawboard procedure to somehow overdraw the borders of those two squares. If I am lucky it will only require a couple of line of declarations, a couple of lines of code to get the squares, and another couple to draw them.
12:15:22linuxstb_Slasheri: I'm trying your database tool - it seemed to work (after I changed the hard-coded path...) but according to the DEBUG messages, it only found mp2/mp3 files.
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12:31:45linuxstb_Slasheri: Looking at the code, CONFIG_CODEC != SWCODEC in your standalone database build - so only the mp2/mp3 metadata parsers are working. Adding -DCONFIG_CODEC=1 (SWCODEC is 1) gives warnings and then an error when compiling metedata.c
12:32:30Slasherilinuxstb_: ah, i didn't notice that.. fixing :)
12:33:13Slasherior did you already fixed it? :)
12:33:34linuxstb_No, it's giving errors about missing replaygain functions.. I'm happy to leave it to you...
12:33:47Slasheriok, i will have a look
12:34:04pondlifeI've had 2 mystery hard crashes this morning. Just playing normally and my H300 locks.
12:34:08andrewmelcan somebody please remind me, and this time I will save it in a file, how to direct compiler errors to a file?
12:34:27linuxstb_make &> logfile
12:34:30pondlifeBoth times, it was displaying a scrolling filename and the scrolling line was half-displayed.
12:35:03pondlifeThat is there was a discontinuity where part of the line was scrolled to a different place to the rest.
12:36:15andrewmelThanks Linuxstb
12:37:06pondlifeAny reason that the scrolling code should be having trouble? Memory mash? amiconn's DMA LCD update?
12:37:24Slasherilinuxstb_: adding ../firmware/replaygain.c as source seems to work.. now i got only warnings about differ in signedness issues
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12:39:40linuxstb_Slasheri: OK, trying now.
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12:42:49linuxstb_Now my PC is refusing to see my ipod...
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12:48:31Slasherilinuxstb_: a fix committed now
12:49:58voyeurJewels ! Jewels !
12:51:17voyeurDo you think a SansaLinux could exist ? (as the ipodlinux project)
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12:52:33linuxstb_voyeur: Technically, yes, but I don't know who would do it. Rockbox developers aren't interested in porting Linux, and the IPL developers don't seem to be interested in porting IPL to non-ipod platforms.
12:56:36voyeurlinuxstb: Thanks.
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13:09:58Bagderstrcpy(p, (char *)&buf[0x16]);
13:10:04Bagderthat kind of code makes me scared
13:10:23Bagderin apps/metadata.c
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13:17:11amiconnBagder: The cast is because of the gcc 4.x signedness warnings afaics
13:17:22BagderI know, I was more talking about the strcpy()
13:17:28Bagderblindly assuming fine input
13:17:37amiconnBut I prefer pointer arithmetic instead of &array[index]
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13:22:26*Genre9mp3 wonders what's wrong with the name "tagcache"
13:22:37BagderGenre9mp3: it isn't a cache
13:22:56Bagderthat's my main issue with it
13:22:57Genre9mp3but it's a nice and unique name
13:23:33BagderI disagree
13:24:00Genre9mp3ok... it's a database... so let's name it "database" </boring>
13:24:28Bagderit is less confusing
13:24:41linuxstb_Genre9mp3: It's more to do with what the menu options are called - "initialise database" and "File View: database" make sense.
13:26:08Genre9mp3well.. I understand that it makes more sense... but I'll miss tagcache :(
13:26:54andrewmeltagbase?
13:27:04andrewmelrocktagbase?
13:27:05Genre9mp3I would also like the runtime db to be named "statcache"
13:27:07*Genre9mp3 hides
13:28:08linuxstb_It's not even a tag database - it uses filenames if no tags are present...
13:28:17amiconnBagder: Imho strcpy() is okay when it is certain that the input string cannot be longer than the buffer
13:28:36Bagderhe can't in that case
13:29:22BagderI committed a fix for it now
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13:46:06roolkubagder: I saw your commit re:SID - have you considered patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5720 by any chance?
13:47:00Bagder"These are 32 byte long zero terminated ASCII character strings"
13:47:16BagderI don't see anything mentioning urtf8
13:47:37Bagderehm
13:47:42Bagder*to* utf8
13:47:46roolkubagder: yes, but rockbox displays utf-8
13:47:51Bagderyes, it should probably be made something like that
13:48:33roolkubagder: chris huelsbeck doesn't look right without the umlaut
13:48:55Bagderbut don't mistake me for someone who does anything SID-related
13:49:07BagderI just fixed a in my view very bad code
13:49:10roolkubagder: hehe
13:49:29Bagderbut I did write a SID routing
13:49:32Bagderroutine
13:49:45Bagderif you find music by Skyline, chances are its with my code
13:49:57roolkucool
13:50:02Bagderboth LinusN and Zagor did music with it
13:50:11preglowwe should check out if those play nice in rockbox...
13:50:31*roolku goes away and searches for skyline...
13:50:34LinusNthey play allright
13:50:48LinusNthe filter sucks, though
13:50:54preglowdepends
13:51:00preglowit works fine for 8580 tunes
13:51:07preglowbut for 6581 tunes, it sucks ass, like all other emulations
13:51:18*LinusN had 6581
13:51:22*preglow still has one
13:51:46LinusNi have 3 c64's, haven't used any of them for many many years
13:51:57preglowno c64s, unfortunately
13:52:13preglowi have one, but it's broken and lacking its sid chip, heh
13:52:20LinusN:-)
13:54:20preglowanyway, the 6581 filter is so grandly messed up i seriously doubt we'll see a good emulation for a good while, if ever
13:54:34preglowdistorts like mad in all the good ways
13:56:10Bagderhttp://noname.c64.org/csdb/scener/?id=8084
13:56:17Bagderman I did a lot of junk already then!
13:56:39Bagderon the internet, no one forgets
13:58:08markunBagder: yes, you are famous :)
13:58:37Bagderthat explains all the money and glory I get
13:58:49Bagder:-)
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13:59:36markunBagder: a friend was amazed when he discovered I've chatted with the creator of curl :)
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14:00:09Bagderhaha
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14:06:19pondlifeBit late, but I've got a C128 if anyone wants it!!!
14:06:34pondlifeHorrible machine, a C64 with a Z80 glued on.
14:06:48pondlifeNice keyboard though.
14:07:09*LinusN has a 128 as well
14:07:40preglowahh
14:07:44*preglow wants to to demos
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14:08:13LinusNhttp://noname.c64.org/csdb/scener/?id=362
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14:08:40Bagderoh, with a picture! ;-)
14:08:48LinusN"ex member of horizon" :-)
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14:09:01pondlifelol
14:09:18pondlife"That's *Mr* Boogloo to you"
14:09:24pondlifedamn spelling
14:09:50preglowdamn, more music than code
14:10:53LinusNyes
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14:21:18Bagderfriday afternoon reading: http://www.futuremark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23914
14:21:24Bagderphishing as its best
14:24:28LinusNlol and lol again
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14:30:00preglowahahahaha
14:31:05aliaskHAHAHAHA
14:31:10aliaskahhhh, good stuff
14:32:56voyeurlol :o
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15:36:32*jhMikeS can't believe he left the H120 on all night on the USB with no charger :P
15:42:14Paul_the_NerdThat is a dangerous thing to do
15:42:55Paul_the_NerdI've heard a few stories of hardware failure that seems to relate to the H120 completely discharging while on USB that were strangely consistent in their symptoms, way back when I read them on MR.
15:44:18jhMikeSit seems alright thankfully. was so tired I was out instantly.
15:44:38Paul_the_NerdHeh
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15:46:50jhMikeSreally should shut down in time instead of running till whimpering out
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16:08:52jhMikeShow many different batteries are in the various x5s? just two?
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16:09:10LinusNjhMikeS: as far as i know, yes
16:09:24jhMikeSThe 950mAh and the 2250?
16:09:39LinusNyes
16:10:56MySicplese
16:11:29MySicfor an ipod 5G (60go)anybody knows how many mAh for the batteries ?
16:12:13LinusNMySic: i think 450 mAh
16:12:25LinusNMySic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
16:12:31MySicok thanks
16:13:23MySiclol
16:13:33MySici can't select it in the config menu
16:13:40MySicthe min value is 1300mAh
16:14:18MySicdo they hava any consequence about charging or discharging batterie ?
16:15:04LinusNMySic: no
16:15:12MySicok
16:15:19MySicwhat's for this config ?
16:15:19LinusNit's only for calculating the % left
16:15:25MySicok
16:15:49MySicso the % on the ipod is wrong
16:16:55LinusNyes
16:18:01amiconnThe mAh are not even important for calculating the percentage
16:18:14amiconnOnly for calculating the remaining runtime
16:18:29MySicok
16:18:40MySici will try to modifing the sources to see the change
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16:31:55SutefupunoHy
16:32:09SutefupunoSomebody there
16:32:28SutefupunoHi
16:32:46n1swould any one object to closeing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5184 as afaic that would'nt be very good for a li-pol battery and the x5 charging is hw-controlled anyway, right?
16:33:42rasherSounds about right
16:35:57Sutefupunoright
16:36:42SutefupunoCam me somebody explan how i give note to my tracks
16:37:03rasher"Give note"?
16:38:28SutefupunoƤhmmm i'm a german
16:38:41Sutefupunoi dont find the word.........
16:38:53Sutefupunogive a song a.......
16:38:55rasherWhat's it in german?
16:39:14Sutefupunoin German "Bewertung
16:39:32rasherrating
16:39:46Sutefupunoi think so
16:39:52Sutefupunoyes
16:40:07rasherHm, I think you have to be using tag cache first, and turn on "gather runtime data (experimental)"
16:40:22rasherAnd then open the context menu on the WPS, and there should be a "rate song" item
16:40:39SutefupunoOk one moment
16:40:42Sutefupunoi Try
16:41:21rasherBut honestly, I'm not quite sure - I don't use it myselff
16:41:33Slasherirating songs manually is not yet possible
16:41:45Sutefupunooh...... sure?
16:41:53Sutefupunoshure
16:41:57Slashericurrently only an autoscore is calculated when any file has been played
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16:42:22Sutefupunowhat is the context menu?
16:42:40SlasheriSutefupuno: try holding down menu/navi button in wps
16:42:47Slasherithat should bring up the context menu
16:43:15Slasheriyou can hold it in other places (such as playlist viewer, file/database browser etc.) also
16:43:51jhMikeSn1s: x5 charging is handled by the pmu
16:44:01Sutefupunowhich one menu/navi button
16:44:18n1sjhMikeS: so it would be possible, but stupid?
16:44:39Sutefupunowhich one is menu/navi button
16:44:49rasherSutefupuno: which player do you have?
16:45:36SutefupunoI have an Iriver H10
16:46:22SutefupunoWhy
16:46:33rasherNext
16:46:35rasherIs the button
16:46:36jhMikeSn1s: on x5 there's no point in having anything else manage charging but the unit itself
16:46:48amiconnn1s: Trying to "conition" a LiIon / LiPo battery would be a bad idea..
16:47:47n1samiconn, yeah that's what I thought, seems people really got the message with the NiCd etc. and think everything is the same :-/
16:48:22barrywardellwhat do people thing about having this committed: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3001 ?
16:48:55SutefupunoMy iriver h10 say "tag cache not ready"
16:49:00*jhMikeS accidentally "reconditioned" his H120 but it's ok
16:49:07Sutefupunoi come not in wps
16:49:29rasherSutefupuno: You need to be using tag cache first
16:49:37barrywardellit would also fix 4783 and 5788
16:49:53jhMikeShaving a dangerous level shutdown is what I needed last night while sleeping
16:49:53rasherSutefupuno: See the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-410004.2.3
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16:50:54Sutefupunosorry...what is the tagcache?
16:51:15rasherSutefupuno: It's all explained in the manual where I linked you - better than I could
16:51:29rasherSutefupuno: But again, you cannot rate songs right now
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16:51:48jhMikeSbarrywardell: does nothing for the bootloader does it?
16:52:06barrywardelljhMikeS: I'm not sure. should it?
16:52:40barrywardelli guess there shold be something extra in the bootloader to check battery level and not allow turning on if it's too low?
16:52:49jhMikeSlast night I left by H120 on usb with no charger connected. it was dead when I woke. I think it should.
16:53:53jhMikeSIt should shut off when too low for sure and do a check at startup, pop a message "low battery" and shut down. OF does that.
16:54:23amiconnjhMikeS: There is a dangerous level check implemented in hardware
16:54:29barrywardelli'll have a look and see if it does give a "low battery" message on startup
16:55:10amiconnNot having that would be really dangerous with LiIon / LiPo
16:55:28barrywardellamiconn: is that just a fail-safe? ie. is there checking in the firmware too?
16:55:38barrywardellthat seems to be what the h10 has
16:55:59jhMikeSI don't think the battery should run down to the point where hw can't function properly. Should shut off before an emergency forced shutdown IMO.
16:56:14*barrywardell agrees
16:56:39jhMikeSbarrywardell: Seems that there is since I saw it when I first got the unit and it wasn't charged yet
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16:58:06barrywardellsomeone just posted on the tracker task about it being a problem on the X5 too
16:59:26jhMikeSIt seems about 3.55V is the dangerous level on x5. It will keep running beyond that but it's well over the knee of the discharge curve. Did some plots of a battery bench for an X5L.
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17:00:16jhMikeSBattery voltage is already dropping fast at that point
17:00:54amiconnjhMikeS: Perhaps... for LiPo / LiIon
17:01:55amiconnFor NiMH it's a bad idea to artificially limit the discharge. It would cost a significant amount of runtime
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17:06:54Slasheriand for NiMH it's best to always fully discharge the battery
17:07:53barrywardellwhich targets use NiMH?
17:07:56rasherArchos
17:08:01jhMikeSthey iRiver and iAudio have lithium type though and should be treated accordingly
17:08:04rasherMost at least, if not all
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17:08:26barrywardellwe could just set the poweroff level to be 0 in that case?
17:08:35rasherAh, not the new recorders
17:08:56jhMikeSThere's a battery level dangerous that can be defined, things should happen there
17:09:10amiconnArchos player and recorder v1 use NiMH
17:09:24amiconnThe Ondios can be run from NiMH or Alkalines
17:09:33amiconnRecorder FM and V2 use LiIon
17:10:33amiconnBATTERY_LEVEL_DANGEROUS defines when the battery icon will start blinking
17:10:47jhMikeSof course the pcf can use interrupts to inform, just have to set the levels and perhaps broadcast a message about it
17:10:56amiconn...and on archos, the flash plugin refuses to flash at dangerous levels in order to avoid problems
17:11:24barrywardellso LiIon targets should have the shut off an an appropriate level for the battery. NiMH and alkaline should not have shutoff at all, by setting battery level dangerous to 0?
17:11:47amiconnbarrywardell: Nope, they still need a dangerous level defined
17:12:15amiconn..but they shouldn't shutdown, just keep running
17:12:24barrywardellah yes, ok
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17:12:51barrywardellI'll have another look at the patch with all that in mind
17:12:53amiconnjhMikeS: The interrupt method would be pcf specific, and we measure battery voltage anyway
17:15:18amiconnI think 3.5V would be a suitable level for all LiPo targets (irivers, ipods, X5, H10)
17:15:33jhMikeSOh, but my plan wouldn't be pcf specific. It would just hide how things are done better. Use the HW when you can imo.
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17:16:11amiconnFor LiIon (recorder FM/V2) it would be lower, though I don't know the exact discharge curve
17:16:23amiconn(that's a type of archos not yet in my collection) ;)
17:16:25jhMikeSonce your over the point where the voltage drop accelerates, that should be it.
17:17:21PaulPositionAbsolute newb here... Did some small console applets before, that's all.. so I'm wondering what differents output functions advantages are.. I can learn by example, though, so any pointer to examples using 1) puts, 2)lists and 3)menus api calls would serve me well... anyone? (or any other hint..?)
17:17:22jhMikeSthe curve straightens out right at about 3.55V and is steep
17:18:25rasherWhat on earth is happening with the Graphviz plugin on twiki.
17:18:44rasherNow the graph I made yesterday is attached to WebHome
17:18:53jhMikeSthere's a bit of jitter in the time measurements. might de-jitter it to look at the curve more accurately but that won't really affect the apearance too much.
17:22:12*ender` yawns
17:23:07jhMikeSof coure right at the beginning V goes up to 4.2V since the history is initialized with the disk spinning.
17:23:29*n1s wonders if the friday-night party vapourized...
17:23:54jhMikeSender`: is battery talk too dry?
17:24:19ender`perhaps :)
17:24:38PaulPositionYeah too dry... needs some ice so it'd be a Battery talk 'on the rock'(box)
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17:33:25ender`now see, what your battery talk has lead to?
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17:39:41amiconn"spealing"
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18:13:04jhMikeSamiconn: "spealing"? ok I won't "speal" any more :P (not likely)
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18:49:00amiconnjhMikeS: I was referring to the type in the global notice (server window)
18:49:06amiconn*typo
18:49:38jhMikeSoh hehe
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19:18:25BesnikHi, could anybody tell my if Rockbox goes well with iPod Shuffles?
19:18:35rasherIt doesn't at all.
19:18:48rasherAnd no one has tried or done any work to make it happen.
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19:20:27BesnikSad...
19:23:21dionoeamust be a bit hard to begin such a port since you don't have an lcd ... and rockbox pretty much assumes that you have an display on the device
19:24:29rasherDoes it have a led?
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19:29:09Besnikrasher, you mean the shuffle?
19:29:13rasherYeah
19:29:20Besnikno it does not
19:29:22*n1s hums the flyspray-task-closing-song
19:29:46rasherThat just makes it even harder..
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19:30:18n1sdon't think there's a gcc for the old shuffle either (don't know about the new)
19:30:53rasherGood point
19:30:57dionoearasher: you could write a file to the flash ... but that'd be hard if you don't know how that works
19:31:27rasherIt'd beasically be absolute hell to work with
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19:32:23Slasheribut it has display backlight
19:32:28Slasherimaybe that is easier to control
19:32:46rasherdionoea: ftp://nic.funet.fi/pub/ham/dsp/dsp56k-tools/ (found in ipodlinux wiki)
19:33:11rasherDisplay backlight?
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19:33:39rasherOf course, that's no gcc, but a compiler of sorts
19:33:42dionoeait doesn't have a display, why would it have a backlight ?
19:34:16rasherI have to say, Rockbox on a shuffle would be absolutely the coolest thing ever
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19:34:51crwlimagine all the interesting shuffle WPS's and stuff
19:35:15dionoea:)
19:35:21rasherWell, I meant the voiceui
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19:36:09rasherLooks like no one took apart a new shuffle
19:36:13rasherWhat's that all about
19:37:20crwlhey, a speaking WPS
19:37:25Slasherioh, i thought you were talking about the sansa =)
19:37:37Slasheribecause i saw that "flash memory" thing
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19:44:16lowlightrasher: the new shuffle was disassembled...let me find the link...
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19:44:43rasherhttp://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2202
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19:44:55lowlightrasher: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Shuffle-2nd-Generation/Disassembly-Page-3-Disassembly
19:45:31rasherOr that
19:45:58jjazz_I'm thinking of purchasing the 60GB IAudio X5, and I have some questions about how it works with Rockbox. First, are there any features the stock X5 has that will be lost when I switch over to Rockbox?
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19:46:22rasherVideo playback
19:46:34rasherNot sure how great it is with OF though
19:46:39jjazz_What's OF?
19:46:43rasheroriginal firmware
19:46:48jjazz_Ah, ok.
19:46:48n1sand USBOTG
19:46:55jjazz_What's USBOTG?
19:47:02rasherusb on the go
19:47:07n1sguess you won't miss it then ;-)
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19:47:29jjazz_What does USB on the go do?
19:47:40jjazz_Ah, google has the answer
19:47:52n1sand WMA (if that's supported in x5 of)
19:47:54rasherIt enables you to connect stuff like cameras, usually, and copy images off them
19:47:58jjazz_Yeah, I don't see a big need for that.
19:48:10jjazz_Will my linux box see the device as a usb drive?
19:48:10vrit is originaly supported
19:48:29vrjjazz_: yes
19:48:48jjazz_So the big loss is video playback. Does Rockbox plan to support video in the future?
19:49:32rasherIt already supports video at some level, but without sound at the moment
19:49:45rasherAnd not quite fast enough for realtime video I think
19:50:13jjazz_That's not too bad. I don't actually care much about video.
19:50:39jjazz_Of the large-capacity MP3 players that can do Rockbox, is the X5 generally considered the one to get?
19:50:51rasherI'd say so
19:51:02rasherThe support for Ipod isn't terribly good
19:51:26rasherwell, it's good enough for many people to use it exclusively, but there are problems. Mainly battery usage
19:51:37jjazz_What are the problems with the battery?
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19:51:46rasherIt gets drained pretty fast
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19:52:16jjazz_What's the battery life with normal use on a full charge?
19:52:31rasherOn which player?
19:52:53jjazz_The X5
19:53:06rashersee the BatteryUsage wikipage, actually
19:53:25rashereh
19:53:29jjazz_ok
19:53:30rasherthat's not right
19:53:32Besnikrasher, in your opinion, what would be the best bet on buying another player, in terms of compatibility with Linux? (And that“s my last question for tonight :) )
19:53:51rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime
19:54:17rasherBesnik: All Rockbox players function equally well with Linux
19:54:37rasher(ie. they're just USB mass storage devices and mount just like any other disk)
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19:54:47jjazz_rasher: That page only seems to show iRiver ahd ipood times.
19:54:49rasherUnless you buy an Ipod and want to use the Apple firmware
19:55:10BesnikThaaaaaaaanx!
19:55:13rasherjjazz_: Strange, try rasher.dk/rockbox/battery/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/battery/
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19:55:24rasherNot sure if there are any iaudio tests there
19:55:43rasherOh there are. Pay no mind to the "runtime" collumn - it's wrong
19:55:47rasherlook at the graphs instead
19:56:56jjazz_Those times aren't too bad
19:57:37rasherAgreed
19:57:59rasherThis is what happens when companies use documented hardware
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19:59:31jjazz_Final question: the manual says I can browse by folder. How deep can I nest folders?
19:59:42jhMikeSodd that the h300 sim didn't show an error on that
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20:00:02jjazz_(my music is currently stored as genre/subgenre/artist/album/songs)
20:00:23n1sthat might cause a problem if you have very long filenames
20:00:52rasherjjazz_: As deep as the filesystem allows (unless you use a lot of non-ascii characters)
20:00:57n1sthe whole path shouldn't be longer than 256 chars (iirc)
20:01:16jjazz_rasher: I only use lower ascii, although a couple songs might have an accent here and there.
20:01:28jjazz_n1s: What happens if a song is over that?
20:01:33rasherIt won't play
20:01:39rasherand Rockbox might crash
20:01:43rasherit's a bit of a problem, really
20:01:44jjazz_ouch
20:01:59jjazz_That's such a windows-centric limitation
20:02:30rasherWell, it's a limitation of the filesystem (FAT), partly, and partly a problem with Rockbox
20:02:42rasherSo some of it is not fixable, some of it is
20:02:44amiconnjhMikeS: RED...
20:02:56jjazz_Ah, ok. No wonder that FAT would result in a windows-centric limit
20:03:20jjazz_I'll make sure my filenames stay under the limit. Shouldn't be too hard.
20:03:23jhMikeSamiconn: but what's stange is only one red...H300 sim should have it too
20:03:30jhMikeSalready fixed though
20:04:10*amiconn expects a cvs update conflict now :(
20:04:19amiconnI am working on removing gmini
20:05:39Nimdaeanyone here with haxx.se? like staffed behind it mean?
20:06:00jjazz_Thanks for the help, all.
20:06:03rasherNimdae: LinusN, Bagder and Zagor
20:06:13Nimdaeorly
20:06:25Nimdaeum...is haxx.us in relation at all with haxx.se?
20:06:33rasherDoubt it.
20:06:35jhMikeSahh, hope this builds ok, I have to leave for the doc in 10min
20:07:10Nimdaeok, just curious, heh
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20:09:52lowlightIs "libdumb" used for anything? Why is it built?
20:10:28rasherIt's not. It was planned to use it for tracker playing, but no one actually did it
20:10:55rasherWhile on the subject, why is databox still built?
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20:15:15odb|fidel_heya, is there a manual howto create themes for rockbox ? havent found something in the project wiki
20:15:51lowlightshould remove libdumb from the makefile then
20:15:56n1sa theme is just a .cfg file, there's a reference (a bit outdated) for that
20:16:46lowlightlookup CustomWPS in the wiki
20:17:10rasherlowlight: and databox?
20:17:31odb|fidel_lowlight: n1s thx
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20:20:00lowlightrasher: I don't even know what databox is
20:20:48PaulPositionSomeone mentioned 'tracker playing'... as in old school demo songs ?? lol, that would have been neat. :o
20:20:53PaulPositionbut not to be..
20:21:31rasherlowlight: It's a search-file creator for the old tagdb
20:21:56rasherit created files that could be run with "searchengine" (removed plugin) and produce playlists
20:22:11rasherSince searchengine is no longer included, I don't see what good databox does
20:22:29rasher(although it was pretty darn neat - I'd love to see something similar for tagcache)
20:24:18amiconnAfaik you can do all that with tagcache ^h^h^h^h^h database
20:25:02rasherI just like the interface of databox
20:25:10rasherAnd the fact that you could do it on the target
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20:25:33amiconnNothing stops you from editing tagnavi.config with texteditor.rock
20:26:10rasherThis is true
20:26:55rasherMy first point still stands though, but of course that's subjective
20:27:31*amiconn didn't like the databox interface
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20:29:33Paul_the_NerdA simple solution would be to have the final entry in TagCache be "Custom" and allow for manual typing of any custom search in the TagCache format, without running the text editor, for a simple one-off search/sort
20:30:33rasherOr it could be a field you could put in tagnavi.config
20:30:55rasherIs the format of tagnavi.confgi documented anywhere?
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20:33:34lowlightit's described in the TagCache entry on the wiki
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20:40:32rasher"Current code tries to figure out the tracknumber by finding the first two digits from the end of the filename"
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20:40:35rasherWhat the..
20:40:42rasherI have never ever seen files named like that
20:40:45tobmasterrockbox
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20:41:00Kasperledamn right :D
20:41:42n1sis the h300 sim supposed to segfault when loading icatcher wps on a 64bit linux?
20:41:57rasherI don't think anything is guaranteed on 64bit
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20:42:05rasherBut you're welcome to fix
20:42:23n1s: -)
20:42:39linuxstb_rasher: Bootlegs are commonly named like that - e.g. bandname20060910d1t01.flac
20:43:06rasherI see.
20:43:25amiconnI'd say that darn guessing code should be removed
20:43:28rasherOh well, I don't think tagcache should be guessing at al
20:43:37rasherHah
20:43:43linuxstb_We've had that discussion before... I agree as well.
20:43:56*amiconn gets a whole bunch of tracks listed as having track number 66, which is wrong
20:44:20amiconnThey have no track number, on purpose
20:44:41rasherI can imagine I'll have a whole bunch of 03 04 05 06 (for 200?)
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20:45:18rasherAlthough I don't really use tagcache right now
20:45:23amiconnn1s: I kno wthat libmad (i.e. mpa.codec) crashes on 64bit. libmad isn't 64bit clean
20:45:40amiganWhat's the main obstacle to rockboy running on x5?
20:45:46amiconnI tried to fix that, but didn't succeed so far
20:45:58n1samiconn: it was working fine playing vorbis but when loading icatcher theme bang
20:46:01rasheramigan: Display issues
20:46:06amiganrasher, ah
20:46:11linuxstb_amigan: Two things probably need to be done - button mappings (relatively easy) and scaling the display for the X5's LCD....
20:46:19amiconnSomeone needs to write a downscaling routine for colour lcds
20:46:51rasherIsn't the problem that rockboy writes directly to the framebuffer?
20:47:01rasherSo needs to be adjusted for every colourdisplay
20:47:07rashers/colour//
20:47:33PaulPositionIs there (or rather : what is) the limit on a string's lenght under rockbox? Say for reading from file and tokenizing using strtok_r..?
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20:47:56PaulPositionOr better, where/what would I search not to bother you guys anymore with silly, stupid, way-too-newb questions like that?
20:47:58amiganPaulPosition, until you run out of memory? =]
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20:48:40rasherPaulPosition: you could look up strtok_r in the sources and see what kind of buffers it uses and how
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20:49:38PaulPositionheh.. makes sense.. Any tip on full-text searching through those sources?
20:51:45PaulPositionthanks anyway. It must be an eye sore to see such clueless posts, but one day, one day, I'll be a master.. ..or maybe I'll be dead before, oh well.
20:51:50PaulPositionok.. off with the spam. sry.
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20:54:17n1samiconn http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5771 fixed my problem, do you think it could be committed
20:57:07Kitt0swhat is Base WAD?
20:57:27n1sa whole game wad like doom.wad
20:57:34rasherKitt0s: It should be explained on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
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20:58:26rasheror http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1120008.1.4
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21:01:51Darkangel14615hey I was just wondering if anyone knows where I can get a look at some Rockbox themes for a 3rd Gen iPod
21:02:06scorchethe same place you look at all the other themes
21:02:19Darkangel14615where's that? I can't find it -_-
21:02:27Darkangel14615I'm a dumbass, I know
21:02:30rasherWpsGallery
21:02:41rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
21:02:55Darkangel14615ok thank you very much ^^
21:03:31rasherSame as 4G gray and Iriver H120
21:05:40amiganWhat does the pre_button do in a button_mapping struct?
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21:10:04lowlightDarkangel14615: themes also at www.rockbox-themes.org
21:11:31rasherHm. That really should more or less replace the wpsgalleries
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21:14:13preglowindeed
21:14:18preglowbut is it flexible enough yet?
21:14:48n1spreglow, you are on 64 bit right?
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21:15:30rasherpreglow: No idea. I really don't touch the wps
21:15:40preglown1s: sure am
21:16:15n1sdo you think http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5771 could be committed as it fixes the sim crash on bitmap load on 64 bit linux?
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21:17:00preglown1s: how do i test it? what uses bmp.c? heh
21:17:14n1stry loading icatcher without it
21:17:18Darkangel14615Oh, I was also wondering how far along you guys are to a working release of RockBox on the Sansa e200 series, I can't stand the standard firmware
21:17:55preglown1s: ok, i'll test and adapt the patch as soon as i've stuffed some stuff in the oven
21:18:03n1sthx
21:18:47n1sappears to build fine for h300 but I can't test it on target 'cause I left it at a friends place :-(
21:19:17preglowi'm pretty sure it won't break anything, it just changes a lot that doesn't need changing
21:19:20preglowlike short -> int16_t
21:20:30amiconnI think it should be committed as-is, with the int16_t
21:20:34rasherMaybe in some bizarro world short != int16_t
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21:20:51amiconnOnly question is whether freqmod is already in the credits (no full name given in flyspray)
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21:23:43rasherI'm pretty sure he's Frederik Vestre
21:24:19rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5214 and http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/docs/CREDITS v1.146
21:27:19preglowamiconn: he is
21:27:43preglowin that case, just commit it
21:27:47preglowi can't imagine how that patch could fail
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21:32:39rasherThe PPs can run as low as 32KHz?
21:33:45amiconnehum....
21:33:55*amiconn caused a row worth of red builds :(
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21:35:23steve132Out of curiosity, is there any documentation on the mp3 data playback functions in the plugin api? How do they work? can they be optimized?
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21:37:48amiconnI don't understand what's up with the "Please select a supported target platform!" error :(
21:37:58amiconnBagder ??
21:38:27preglowlousy score considering the amount of red :P
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21:40:31amiconnaaaaarrrrrrghhhh!!!!!
21:40:41zedoes anybody know enough about the ipod videos to tell if the lack of UI on the tv-out is a hard limitation or just apple not having programmed it in their fw?
21:40:46amiconnconfigure checks where the firmware directory is by checking for crt0.S !!!!
21:40:59n1snice
21:41:37rasherWow
21:41:46rasherThat's.. strange
21:42:06Nimdaeat least it's not my fault this time
21:43:15amiganHow come configure doesn't use sdl-config on FreeBSD to find the SDL stuff?
21:43:28amiganIt does it on linux.
21:45:38rasherLack of testing probably
21:45:43Kasperleze: there are docks with their own ui on the tv screen, afaik
21:45:58rasheramigan: That is, whoever wrote it didn't have a FreeBSD box to test it on
21:46:13zeKasperle: yeah, we got one, we're gonna take it back.. its sad and limited and implimented in the dock apparently
21:46:14amiganI see
21:46:49zeKasperle: it'll browse music, but can't make playlists, and can't browse photos or video (you have to get up and browse on the ipod, and actually switch the dock into video mode first)
21:47:02Kasperle:/
21:47:21rasherSame deal with the crosscompiling as well (I happen to know because that was me)
21:47:29amiganWell I have a patch to configure here to make it work (plus it enables -fPIC on FreeBSD/amd64)
21:48:06amiganShould I just put it up on flyspray or is someone here able to take care of it?
21:48:33rasherSomeone really should rip out all the bits and pieces of old sim (w32/linux) related code
21:49:00rasheramigan: I think markun builds on freebsd, maybe he could have a look
21:49:16amiganYeah. I also had to fuck around with the #include lines in the sdl sim code (doing #include "SDL.h" instead of #include <SDL.h>...I discussed this here a week or so ago)
21:49:18rasherOtherwise, toss it in the tracker
21:49:34amigan(as in, I had to change it to use <> instead of "")
21:49:41rasherInteresting
21:49:57amiganYeah, I thought the same thing...but it works this way, so I dunno
21:50:10amiganIn my own code I always do <> for system includes anyway
21:50:58Kasperleamigan: #include <SDL/SDL.h> doesn't work?
21:51:16amiganKasperle, #include <SDL.h> works, I haven't tried SDL/SDL.h
21:51:25amigansdl-config does -I/usr/local/include/SDL anyway
21:51:29Kasperleoi. i see
21:51:55Kasperleoh. i misread your first sentence that mentioned the include lines
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21:52:11amiganKasperle, that sentence was a bit f'd up anyway when I wrote it =]
21:52:11Kasperlethought you switched it around the other way, which sounded odd
21:53:17preglowamiconn: why not just check for the target dir?
21:53:21preglowamiconn: that'll always be there now
21:54:13rasherYou could also use the dirname trick I use in the voice scripts
21:54:22rasher`dirname $0`
21:54:44rasherthat should be tools/ always, no?
21:54:55rasheror am I misunderstanding
21:55:25amiconnOK, table back to normal. Sorry for the rough ride.
21:56:36preglowi demand monetary compensation for this!
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21:56:46preglowjhMikeS: did you cook up a patch for me?
21:56:49rasherA full refund will be issued.
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21:58:18salivalHi, Amicon. If you have some time would you take a look at this thread? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7257.0
21:59:34amiconnThat one is hard to answer non-interactively
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22:00:08amiconnYou basically have 2 options.
22:00:11amiconn(1) roll back the driver change and go with your old waitstate values.
22:00:44amiconn(2) Find necessary waitstate values for the new driver by experimentation
22:01:24amiconnEither way, lcd updates will be incredibly slow (same as before) on your unit
22:01:31amiconnI wonder what's wrong with it...
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22:01:36salivalso basically it's still possible to solve by adjusting the waidstates?
22:01:47salival*waitstates
22:02:01preglowno one else has this problem?
22:02:02amiconnIt might be
22:02:26amiconnI really don't know as obviously your ldc controller doesn't behave as specified
22:02:49salivalthere are others with this problem
22:03:17salivalas the original thread on misticriveron this was started by someone else
22:03:22amiconnThe transfer timings in rockbox are a little above specs, but with your values, you are way slower than required by the specs
22:03:40salivalI figured that out
22:03:41*amiconn doesn't follow the forums
22:04:00amiconnIt's too much jabber to wade through imho
22:04:04salivallol
22:04:19salivalthat's why I was adviced to find you on irc
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22:05:16preglowhaha
22:05:18salivalI'll try and adjust the waitstates. doesn't work I'll have to find out how to roll back these changes
22:05:22preglownot much different from the mailing list
22:05:31amiconnFor being in specs, it is sufficient to use 0, 1 and 7 waitstates (idle/normal/max)
22:05:38amiconnCVS uses 0, 0 and 5
22:05:38preglowi go through the forums that interest me, mainly
22:06:52salivalWhen the player does nothing the screen is 'clean', so one might think that 0 for idle should be sufficient.
22:06:56amiconnHowever, your values already equal 1, 2 and 12 (!) waitstates...
22:07:06salivalit's mainly when the player has to do something
22:07:07amiconnIdle is only used in radio mode
22:07:13PaulPositionwhat kind of chunk of a diskdrive would vmware +image +whatever's needed use up? 3gb? more? (I'm going low on drive space, don't want to download for 2 days and then get a 'transfer aborted'.. −− .. Was toying with the idea of using knoppix live-cd but i'd be too much config twiddling at each reboot)..?
22:07:13salivalok
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22:07:42amiconnOtherwise normal is used, unless this isn't sufficient to keep up with audio decoding, then it temporarily switches to max
22:07:53salivalI'll try and figure out the new values then, thanks for your time
22:08:12amiconnYou can try the following without playback:
22:08:41amiconnSwitch off voice. Reboot, don't play music
22:09:01amiconnNow the h300 runs at CPUFREQ_NORMAL
22:09:34amiconnEnter and exit dir, scroll lists etc. If this already causes glitches, you need to increase waitstates for CPUFREQ_NORMAL
22:09:48salivalthat's the case
22:10:18amiganIs it at all possible to get the last button press from within code? I'm trying to implement a power button backlight toggle in the WPS like the x5 OF has.
22:10:24amiconnNow go to info->debug, press Navi once (that switches to idle, i.e. 11MHz) and leave with Left
22:10:59amiconnErm, Info->Debug->CPU frequency of course
22:11:13amiganI know in drivers/button.c you have last_button but this apparently isn't exported.
22:11:39amiconnDo the same actions as before. If there are glitches now, change the waitstates for default:
22:12:15amiconnEnter Info->Debug->CPU frequency again, and switch to 124MHz by pressing Up once. Leave, and do the tests a third time
22:12:18salivalI currently have an older version on my player, so i will have to put a newer build on it, which I am about to do now :)
22:12:28amiconnChange waitstates for CPUFREQ_MAX if it glitches
22:12:54amiconnThe possible maximum is 15 waitstates
22:13:37amiconnYOu could either start from cvs, or from your old values. Lemme calculate some estimations
22:13:38salivalwhith this info it's at least easier to find the best waitstates for my player. I will try this
22:13:42salivalok
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22:20:52amiconnsalival: I'd try it with 0, 4 and 15 waitstates. This sets the cycle time to nearly twice the necessary (according to the datasheet) value
22:22:00amiconnCSCR1 values would be 0x00000180 (default), 0x00001180 (normal) and 0x00003d80 (max)
22:23:21salival.
22:23:49amiconnI wonder what's up with your lcd though
22:24:37salivalI'll try those suggestions
22:24:50amiconn...and whether others do need the same extreme measures. It should be enough for most people to rise the waitstates to match the specs
22:25:07salivalI wouldn't know either and I know that mine is a severe case
22:25:56salivalIf those work I'll try if I can lower them
22:26:34amiconnI guess the 'normal' value is actually your problem now. The cycle time is lower than for 'max'
22:27:15amiconn(but still longer than the specs say)
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22:30:16salivalin the normal state the problem is almost gone, only some glitches here ant there
22:30:22salival*and
22:31:48salivaland at 124Mhz some minor glitches
22:32:22amiconnAt 124MHz the # of waitstates is already the maximum (15) with the suggested values
22:32:47amiconnAt 45MHz you could try 5
22:33:07amiconn11MHz shouldn't have any problems even with 0 waitstates
22:33:25salivalindeed
22:33:55amiconn5 waitstates would be 0x00001580
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22:34:32amiconnThe waitstates are bit 10..13 of that value. Any other bits must stay as they're set
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22:35:19amiconnI.e. CSCR1 = 0x00000180 + 0x00000400 * no_of_waitstates
22:35:30amiconnwith 0 <= no_of_waitstates <= 15
22:36:52salivalah, ok
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22:37:48amiconnBtw, I would like to know what panel type your H300 has. Is it the old type where colours change significantly when looking from left or right, but remain relatively stable when looking from above or below the centre,
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22:38:15amiconnor is it the newer type where the axis of rapid colur change is vertical?
22:38:26salivalIt's probably an older type
22:39:20amiconnIt might be possible that iriver used a slightly different lcd controller in older (first series?) H300s
22:39:50salivalthat was what I thought
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22:40:42salivalduring normal playback I have a'clean' screen now, only when the song loads it has some (minor) glitches
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22:55:25amiconnHmm. The HD66789 (not HD66789R) datasheet states 250ns cycle time instead of 150ns for the 'R'
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23:00:59salivalso it's a slower controller...
23:01:49salival...possibly
23:04:45salivalwell, atleast I can use newer builds now without to many glitches. Until a better solution arises I'll live with it. Amiconn, thanks for your time and effort.
23:04:59salivalI'm off now, bye
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23:27:50jhMikeSamiconn: I found at least one plugin that inits iram without stopping audio (mp3_encoder). Could be more.
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23:30:09jhMikeSWe should just export the addresses in the header and have a single call that takes care of it when the plugin is ready to do so if it wants to delay init.
23:30:18webguest49real quick question about WPS
23:30:46webguest49when you are writing a WPS and you give the coordinates for a text or an image, is the coordinates for the center of the image or is it the bottom left corner
23:31:16*jhMikeS thought it was the top left
23:31:39jhMikeSguess just try 0,0 and see when the image ends up
23:31:58webguest49ok thanks
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23:33:54jhMikeSbuild table looks awful red of late
23:34:38rashersome red here and there isn't a terrible problem as long as it's fixed again
23:35:10jhMikeStrue
23:37:14jhMikeSI remember seeing solid green for awhile though...I think even after the feature freeze lift but now there's those red stripes from the flash region.
23:37:40hcsred stripe! hooray builds!
23:37:56*jhMikeS thinks it's more of a salmon color though :P
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23:43:24midgey34barrywardell: ping
23:44:13barrywardellhi midgey34
23:44:19midgey34hello
23:44:40midgey34have you been able to build the ondio or player sim on mac os x?
23:45:08barrywardelli have never tried
23:45:17barrywardelli'll try it now if you want?
23:45:25midgey34good luck, it fails for me
23:46:06barrywardellwhat's the error?
23:46:24barrywardelli think i remember being able to build the player sim long ago
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23:46:44midgey34after building rockboxui, you get a bunch of warnings about mulitple definitions and then it crashes on libcodec.a
23:47:16midgey34AR+RANLIB libcodec.a
23:47:16midgey34make[2]: *** [/users/tjross/code/rockbox-local/builds/ondio-sim/libcodec.a] Error 1
23:47:21barrywardelli've often got warnings about multiple definitions with all sims
23:47:47goffaanyone know of a good guide on patching?
23:47:47midgey34as have I, but normally you can still build
23:47:55barrywardellit seems to be that rockbox's function definitions clash with some from os x
23:47:56goffai attempted to do this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2653
23:48:03goffai used insert.patch
23:48:04rashergoffa: WorkingWithPatches wikipage might do it
23:48:12goffaok
23:48:35midgey34barrywardell: exiting rockboxui doesnt seem to work all that smoothly either
23:50:56barrywardellyes, i experience that too
23:50:56barrywardellit's very difficult
23:50:56barrywardelli'd love to find a solution but don't know all that much about the simulator
23:51:19midgey34nor do i
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23:57:32goffaok.. running into a snag (probably because i'm doing something wrong).. when i apply the patch file .. its asking me which file to patch... i've been pasting in the location of the files that need to be patched
23:57:41goffabut now i'm at wps/FILES
23:58:03goffais there a way to get it to apply the patch to all files in a dir? or am i doing something wrong?
23:58:13rasheryou probably have either no or the wrong -p argument
23:58:13n1sFILES is a file
23:58:17 Part Paul_the_Nerd
23:58:31rasher-p0 is a good guess

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