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#rockbox log for 2006-11-23

00:00:29PaulPositionI was gonna say something but I fear I may be affected by the 'foot in mouth disease' so I'll refrain from spouting nonsense. And I gotta go anyway, so...
00:00:41PaulPositionhave a nice evening/morning/drinking everyone.
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00:31:58Terinjokesapple has changed the error messages on the ipod
00:40:13Soapdo go on
00:41:10Terinjokesthere is no more sad ipod
00:41:42Terinjokesi'll snap a picture in a second
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00:47:32Terinjokesit's sad when i can't get the image with any of my cameras, it just comes out blurrly
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00:54:48Terinjokeshttp://aboveultimate.com/spader/nanoerror.jpg
00:55:35z0dethats out of focus. if they cant read it how can they help?
00:55:47z0deoh i read above.
00:57:10Terinjokesyeah, it says "Please use iTunes to restore"
00:57:21Terinjokesno it doesn't
00:57:32Terinjokessays "Use iTunes to restore"
00:57:50Terinjokesthey don't say please...
00:58:18Terinjokesi'll have access to a better camera tonight, so if you guess want to wait a bit
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01:01:18Terinjokescan someone resend my wiki password to me? i forgot it
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01:10:06Terinjokeshrm...need to backup the firmware
01:20:02zeTerinjokes: no macro mode? try backing away
01:20:24zewithout macro mode you can't get close shots in-focus
01:21:47zeso you back away from the subject and it has a better time focusing on it... you take advantage of the megapixels to still get a usable resolution and crop to the effectively small image area of interest
01:22:53Terinjokesi got 2 freaking megapixels with this camera, my good one is on my desk....just i'm not near my desk
01:23:07zeshould be enough
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01:23:27zeyou don't need it to be desktop size
01:24:00zeif its in focus, stuff can be readable even without quite enough resolution to make it truely legible
01:24:47Terinjokesyeah, but it's a nano, screen's a bit scratched, i tried getting a clear shot, close up, and from farther away....but this is a really cheap camera
01:25:16Terinjokesi don't even think the things got focus...
01:25:17zeactually if you take the screen resolution of the device
01:25:43zeyou can get away with the screen area in the image having (somewhat/slightly) less resolution in the photo and still be able to read it
01:26:08zeTerinjokes: usually focus is a range... it has a near value and then the far value is infinity
01:26:20zeTerinjokes: typically
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01:26:35zeTerinjokes: so even if the camera can't focus, you just need to get things far enough to be past the near value
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01:26:58Terinjokesi'll try again in a bit
01:27:20TerinjokesBTW, i heard that rockbox was going to try the zune, did i hear bad news?
01:28:18zei've no idea if its even important to have an image of the screen, i'm just conveying my understanding out of an academic interest and general helpfulness, along with the curiosity to see if it pans out :p
01:28:30zeand i've no idea about the zune, maybe search the irc logs?
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01:29:05Terinjokeshrm...w/e
01:29:22Terinjokeswho cares about error messages anyways
01:29:23zei never even heard of the zune untill i saw it in a bestbuy ad
01:29:43zewhich was just like last week or so
01:30:18zeand i thought "wow, somebody's trying to do an ipod-killer"
01:30:28zewith a rip-off of ipod's styling :p
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01:30:45TerinjokesYES!!!!!!!
01:30:52TerinjokesI've finally got it!
01:31:09TerinjokesRockbox works with Nano firmware 1.3!!!!!
01:31:28zecongrats
01:31:42zei'm still waiting till i can get rockbox on my mom's 80G 5.5g ipod
01:31:58Terinjokesit dual-boots properly now (ie, songs appear in both OF and in Rockbox)
01:32:46Terinjokesnow i can choose weather i want to use OF or Rockbox
01:33:35*Terinjokes chooses Rockbox, but other people use the ipod, so they my wish to use OF
01:33:56SoapI care about changed error messages if the wiki/manual needs to be updated to reflect what users will actually be asking about.
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01:34:33SoapI assume your install with apple firmware 1.3 was identical to the nano 1.2/video install?
01:34:35TerinjokesSoap, true, true...mind reseting my password on the wiki so i may update the directions for installing rockbox on nano
01:34:43Terinjokes
01:34:51SoapI do not have that power.
01:34:59Terinjokesresend the password?
01:37:04SoapI assume the change you are refering to is:
01:37:06Soap
01:37:06SoapTWiki > Main > IpodPort > IpodInstallation
01:37:06SoapMain . { Users | Groups | Changes | Index | Search | Go }
01:37:06DBUGEnqueued KICK Soap
01:37:06SoapHow to install Rockbox on your iPod
01:37:06Soap * First, a thank you
01:37:07***Alert Mode level 1
01:37:07Soap * Introduction
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01:37:09Soap * Notes before installing
01:37:11Soap o Rockbox works only on FAT32 formatted iPods
01:37:13Soap o Music browsing
01:37:15Soap o Installers
01:37:17Soap * Warning For iPod Nano 1st gen Users
01:37:19Soap * Uninstallation and Upgrade instructions
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01:37:21Soap * Installation instructions
01:37:23Soap o Step 1 - Install Rockbox
01:37:25Soap + a) Download rockbox.zip for your iPod
01:37:27Soap + b) Unzip rockbox.zip to your iPod
01:37:29Soap o Step 2: Install the bootloader
01:37:31Soap + a) Download the required files
01:37:35Soap + b) Find your iPod
01:37:37Soap + c.1) (all users except iPodLinux users) Read the existing firmware partition from your iPod
01:37:39Terinjokesno Soap, it's the whole guide, just updates here and there
01:37:39Soap + c.2) (iPodLinux users only) Extract an unmodified firmware image
01:37:41Soap + d.1) (All users INCLUDING Video/5G) Extract the Apple firmware from your firmware partition image.
01:37:45Soap + d.2) (iPod Video/5G and Nano 1st gen with Apple firmware v1.2 users only) Extract the resource image from your firmware partition image.
01:37:47Soap + e) Create the new Rockbox-enabled image file containing the Rockbox Bootloader
01:37:49Soap + f) Install the bootloader!
01:37:51Soap + g) Testing
01:37:53Soap o Step 3 - Download and read the manual
01:37:55Soap o Step 4 - Enjoy Rockbox
01:37:59Soap * Further information about using Rockbox
01:38:00Soap * Recovering from a crash
01:38:02Soap * Installing Rockbox along with iPL Loader2 Boot Menu (UNOFFICIAL AND UNSUPPORTED!)
01:38:04SoapThis page contains instructions for Windows users. Mac OS users should use IpodInstallationFromMacOSX. Linux users should use IpodInstallationFromLinux.
01:38:09SoapFirst, a thank you
01:38:11SoapThe Rockbox port to the iPod has only been made possible by the hard work of the members of the ipodlinux project who have performed the difficult and time-consuming task of understanding a hardware platform with almost no available documentation. If it wasn't for th
01:38:15Soapwhoa
01:38:16SoapI didn't think I selected all that.
01:38:19Soapsorry all
01:38:20Soapmissing my point in the mass paste
01:38:22Soap d.2) (iPod Video/5G and Nano 1st gen with Apple firmware v1.2 users only) Extract the resource image from your firmware partition image.
01:38:26Soapto
01:38:29Soap d.2) (iPod Video/5G and Nano 1st gen with Apple firmware v1.2 or greater users only) Extract the resource image from your firmware partition image.
01:38:47webguest13why cant rockbox be run on newer video ipods? will it ever be able to run on them?
01:39:02TerinjokesSoap, i'm going to update the whole guide, there updates i've noticed all over the place
01:39:37Terinjokesjust, it's rejecting my user/pass as i remember it
01:39:40Soapwebguest13: it can on the 30gig 5.5G, the problem with the 80gig is unknown, thus a timeline is unknowable, but it is highly believed it will be resolved.
01:39:46Psiuyowebguest13> It works on the new 30GB, just not the 80GB
01:40:32webguest13Soap: Psiuyo : ok thanks
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01:41:08webguest13is there going to be a vlc port for rockbox? that would truly rock
01:41:23TerinjokesLOL, probablt not
01:41:54zei thought the problem with the 80G was that its formatted with at (unsupported) larger block size?
01:42:04zeor something like that
01:42:04SoapThough overestimates the power of a 80mhz dual core ARM processor.
01:42:20Soapwhoa spelling.
01:42:37webguest13what about a pdf viewer?
01:42:54SoapHave you seen the PDF viewers for PalmPilots?
01:42:58Terinjokesyes
01:43:00SoapThe official one?
01:43:05Terinjokesno, that one sucks
01:43:09webguest13soap: nope
01:43:13Terinjokesi have a palm TX
01:43:28Soapon a 320x320 screen PDFs formated for a printed (8.5x11) page stink.
01:43:44SoapPlucker would be a better viewer IMHO.
01:44:06Terinjokesthere, remember my user/pass combo
01:44:06webguest13i would like to see an open source operating system for the sony reader
01:45:25webguest13the sony reader looks pretty worthless as is...but would have such great open source potential
01:45:58Terinjokesthe zune looks pretty worthless as is...but would have such great open source potential
01:46:26Soaphonking processor on the zune.
01:47:08***Alert Mode OFF
01:47:28webguest13a next generation nokia internet tablet might be worthwhile
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01:47:40webguest13if they make the right decisions
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01:48:37Terinjokescan someone please remove that annoying message from chanserv on joining the channel?
01:50:34webguest13i dont understand why some company just doesnt create a kickass portable hardware device and then have a team like rockbox design the os and drop off the specs
01:52:22webguest13or like imagine micro sized pcs where you could just exchange parts
01:52:47Terinjokesbecause it's not good business since for big companies
01:53:08webguest13the pc did a lot of good for business
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01:56:21webguest13there would just have to be like an ibm to set a standard...or i dont see why an opensource community could draw up specs for something, give it to a coroporation with a promise that the code remains open and then just go from there
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02:40:15Terinjokeswhat's dithering?
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02:42:39ztormAny expert here atm?
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03:04:09scorche`ztorm: just ask your question instead of asking permission ;)
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03:06:23ztormWell just followed the manual installing rockbox on my 2:nd generation Ipod mini. It ended up with an error "rockbox error -1" and some more. (dont know which of it is relevant). Anyways now my computer dosnt detect the harddrive on the ipod and its rebooting constantly:)
03:07:37scorchewell, first off enable disk mode by pressing select+play when it reboots
03:08:52ztormOkay, worked :)
03:09:52ztormIm guessing im missing some files in my ipod, since im not seeing any boot files
03:11:22scorchedid you copy the rockbox.ipod file and the .rockbox folder tot he root of the device?
03:11:35ztormrockbox-ipodmini2g-20061122
03:11:50ztormthe entire thing?
03:11:50scorchethat is the bootloader
03:12:07scorcheyou have to go get a daily or CVS build from the site and unzip it to the root
03:12:18ztormah okay
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03:13:49ztormEverything is to be extrated to the root of the ipod?
03:13:50Terinjokesin a WPS, can i force rockbox back to the default font?
03:14:04Terinjokesrockbox.ipod should be in root
03:14:15Terinjokesthe folder .rockbox should also be in root
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03:14:44shrimantshey there
03:15:10scorcheTerinjokes: you can make it whatever font you specify...
03:15:21Terinjokeswhat's the default font called?
03:15:44Terinjokesand how would i call it?
03:16:05shrimantsdownload the build and ceck whats in the fonts folder to begin with
03:16:21shrimantsand that would be the default font
03:16:23shrimantsi think
03:16:51scorchewrong ;)
03:16:52Terinjokesthere is no font on a straight build
03:17:02scorchethe default is hardcoded in
03:17:07scorcheas with the default wps
03:17:41Terinjokeshow can i call on that font then? if a user uses another font, then nothing appears correctly
03:17:55shrimantsdamn
03:18:01CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
03:18:01*shrimants kills himself in shame
03:18:02scorchefont: /.rockbox/fonts/rockbox_default.fnt
03:19:09scorcheput that in the mytheme.cfg under /.rockbox/themes
03:19:38Terinjokesit's actually /.rockbox/fonts/rockbox_default.fnt
03:19:47Terinjokesnvm
03:19:51scorcheerr...heh
03:20:32ztormscorche many thanks for you help :)
03:21:12shrimantshey is it possible to delete the plugins that come with rockbox
03:21:17shrimantsall the ipl stuff?
03:21:20SoapTerinjokes: dittering is the process of using randomness to create order.
03:21:22shrimantsand would that make it run faster?
03:21:25shrimantsi mean boot
03:21:54*scorche quizzically glances at Soap
03:22:22scorcheshrimants: what do the plugins have to do with ipl?
03:22:30TerinjokesSoap, i already looked it up in WP, so slow :)
03:22:32SoapIn the context of rockbox it is the process of adding a random element to the rounding of maths in the audio decoding so that a predictable set of rounding errors does not lead to audible harmonics.
03:22:51shrimantsoh no, i meant they are found on ipl also
03:22:53scorcheTerinjokes: yes he is =)
03:23:19Terinjokesshrimants, the plugins are different
03:23:31shrimantsbut can they be removed?
03:23:40scorcheyes
03:23:46shrimantswould it boot faster?
03:23:50Terinjokesno?
03:23:54scorcheno
03:23:56shrimantsthen screw it
03:23:58shrimantslol
03:24:08shrimantsi might as well have something to fiddle with in class
03:24:12Terinjokesthe rocks are cool!
03:24:14shrimantsif it makes no difference
03:24:22shrimantsoh yeah, is there a sleep mode?
03:24:33shrimantscuz i have to keep shutting it down
03:24:49Soapthere is no sleep mode at this time.
03:24:55shrimantsk thnx
03:25:07scorchesorry, but you have to wat those couple of seconds
03:25:12scorchewait
03:25:13scorche;)
03:25:17shrimantslol
03:25:32shrimantsi was about to switch back to normal fw
03:25:41shrimantscuz i didnt see the tag cache view
03:25:54shrimantsand then i realized what it does when you hold the menu button
03:26:02shrimantsand now, screw apple default fw
03:26:08shrimantsi dont watch movies and pics anyways
03:26:13ztormAh so nice with rockbox ^^
03:26:20ztormOff to bed now, thanks again scorche
03:26:22scorchepics work fine with rockbox...
03:26:25shrimantsi n
03:26:27shrimantso
03:26:31shrimantsbut i dont use them
03:26:31Terinjokesscorche, not GIFs
03:26:40shrimantsoh that reminds me
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03:26:51shrimantsgotta offload pics from camera to comp
03:26:53shrimantsbrb
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03:29:54shrimants_picturstupid batteries
03:30:08shrimants_picturi cant wait till MIT perfects their wireless energy technology
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03:30:37Terinjokesgrr...my theme file stopped working
03:30:47shrimantsoh noes
03:30:55shrimantsim using RaiderX's themeXglow
03:31:28Terinjokesany ideas on why the folder '.rockbox'had to start with a period
03:31:40shrimantsi was wondering that
03:31:49Terinjokes soooo annoying on my mac
03:31:55shrimantslol macs
03:31:59shrimantsi hate windows tho :(
03:32:11shrimantsmac seems so shitty cuz it used to be so shitty
03:32:18shrimantsbut then you walk into the apple store
03:32:19*scorche ahems
03:32:20shrimantsand you use one
03:32:39shrimantsand then you realize that bill gates should take his dell and shove it up his a**
03:32:50Terinjokesyou realise "wow, these things are really white"
03:32:54shrimantslol
03:32:58shrimantsand then you look some more
03:33:06scorcheand see that there are black ones...
03:33:12scorcheand silver...\
03:33:15Terinjokesthere black imacs?
03:33:16scorche;)
03:33:19shrimantsand you realize "wow if i donate both kidneys and my lower half, i might be able to afford the 17 inch"
03:33:39*scorche notices that his ahem went unnoticed
03:33:40*shrimants donates both kidneys and his lower half
03:33:45Terinjokeswhat scorche?
03:33:51*shrimants notices scorche's ahem
03:34:05Terinjokesi noticed the ahem, but was wanting for some words
03:34:07*shrimants ignores the alleged 'ahem's connotation
03:34:19*scorche growls
03:34:24*shrimants purrs
03:34:26shrimants?
03:34:28shrimantslol
03:34:39*shrimants throws meat at scorche
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03:34:50shrimantsstop growling
03:34:52*scorche types /msg
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03:34:58shrimantsoh noes
03:35:05shrimantssecrets arent fun!!!
03:35:07*scorche adds chanserv
03:35:09Terinjokesscorche! continue
03:35:20shrimants(wow we got really side tracked)
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03:35:51Terinjokesyeah! why does rockbox need the folder to be '.rockbox' and not 'rockbox' ?
03:35:51scorcheshrimants: thanks for noticing!...and now back to our regularly scheduled rockbox talk and silence
03:36:05scorcheTerinjokes: it is a system thing
03:36:13Terinjokeswho system?
03:38:21shrimantsgod what a boring chat room
03:38:32shrimantso well, at least its really helpful
03:38:55Terinjokesis there anyway of changing it?
03:39:05shrimantsthe boringness?
03:39:07scorcheshrimants: well, this sint a social channel
03:39:11shrimantsoh ok
03:39:15shrimantsyeah that woyuld explain it
03:39:48shrimantsok then, i got all my current questions answered
03:39:52shrimantsthanx, all
03:39:54shrimantslater
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03:39:57*Terinjokes invites shrimants to other non-social channels like #wikinews
03:40:34Terinjokesdoes doom work with freedom?
03:40:39Terinjokesand where's iBoy?
03:40:52scorchethis isnt ipl
03:40:57scorchewe have rockboy
03:41:10scorcheboth questions can be answered in the wiki
03:41:27scorcheunder PluginDoom and PluginRockboy respectively
03:41:48Terinjokesstill no nano...
03:42:19scorchenano doesnt support rockboy as you would see in the wiki page
03:42:45Terinjokesi know...i've seen that page many times
03:44:31scorchethen why ask? ;)
03:44:49Terinjokesmaybe a top secert beta?
03:45:16scorchethis is open source though...
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04:20:09dubstyleanyone awake?
04:20:58goffa_me
04:21:42webguest13rockboy doesnt work very well for me on ipod video
04:22:17dubstylesup guys, i got a quick question about compiling if anyone has a min
04:22:34dubstyleim trying to "make zip" and im getting find: apps: no such file or directory
04:23:01goffa_odd.. were there errors on compile?
04:23:46dubstylenope, i had one but managed to fix it
04:23:54goffa_what was the prob?
04:24:06dubstyle"the compiler you must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in your path"
04:24:13goffa_ah
04:24:41dubstylei managed to edit the bash.bashrc file to add that line about the path
04:24:49dubstylethat seems to let it complile without errors
04:25:28goffa_yeah
04:25:35goffa_it just didn't know where to find the compiler
04:26:23dubstyleany clue about that other error "apps: no such file or dir"
04:26:41dubstyleim bummed, there was a post on misticriver.net with the exact problem im having, the guy fixed it himself tho and never said how
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04:27:57goffa_hmm ... stupid question.. but are you doing that in your build directory?
04:28:05dubstylei am
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04:28:07dubstyleahhh
04:28:08dubstyleis that it?
04:28:30goffa_well probably not... because you should have apps in the same dir that you type that command
04:29:12dubstylei see
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04:29:45goffa_you did make first right?
04:29:50dubstyleyes
04:30:05goffa_ok.. i'm just eliminating the obvious
04:30:17goffa_because i don't know much about the non obvious :)
04:30:23dubstylei did my make in /rockbox daily/build
04:30:39goffa_ok.. that should be correct
04:31:03dubstylethe only thing in that dir is makefile and autoconf.h
04:31:20goffa_hmm...
04:32:29goffa_i think i usually make a dir in tools
04:32:41goffa_like /rockbox daily/tools/build
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04:32:49goffa_then run ../configure from the build dir
04:33:10goffa_but i donk't know if that makes a difference
04:33:44dubstylewhen you run configure from within the tools dir, do u run ../tools/configure or just ../configure
04:33:58goffa_and um... in the dir where you have autoconf.h and the makefile
04:33:59goffa_run make
04:34:04goffa_not make zip
04:34:42dubstyleit just told me all my files are up to date
04:35:04dubstylehmm
04:35:07goffa_that's odd.. because it should put a ton of files in that dir
04:35:12dubstylenevermind, now its doing a lot more
04:35:20goffa_ok
04:35:41goffa_after the make do an ls
04:35:45goffa_and see if you have a bunch of files
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04:36:35dubstylewhat player do you use?
04:36:39danthemanhi
04:36:46goffa_i have an x5l and an h140
04:36:55goffa_and a gigabeat.. but that's not developed yet
04:36:58dubstyleah tru, im using a h340
04:37:48goffa_yeah... those look nice.. people seem to like them
04:37:48dubstyleok, it made "apps" "bitmaps" "firmware" dir, and then several files
04:37:56goffa_ok.. now try the make zip
04:37:58goffa_or make fullzip
04:38:01goffa_depending
04:39:31dubstyleyeah, im trying to compile simple build thats updated with the CVS and is patched to use all the new .wps's
04:39:46goffa_nice
04:39:58goffa_yeah.. i patch mine to do the click insert and left to wps
04:40:02goffa_i like both of those
04:40:13dubstyleok it made an rockbox.zip but it gave me this message
04:40:31dubstylezip warning:name not matched: rockbox.iriver
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04:40:41dubstylezip error:nothing to do! (rockbox.xip)
04:40:44goffa_do you have a rockbox.iriver in the same folder?
04:40:49dubstyleno
04:40:56goffa_wierd
04:41:09dubstyledamn, so close
04:41:09goffa_did id prompt you for which platform you wanted to build the device on?
04:41:13dubstyleyes
04:41:25goffa_hmm... unzip the file
04:41:26dubstylewhen i ran ../rools/configure
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04:41:39goffa_see if it makes rockbox.iriver
04:42:09dubstylenah, its just the rockbox dir that seems to be compiled
04:42:26goffa_hmm... do you have rockbox.iriver on your player?
04:42:30dubstyleyes
04:42:35dubstylethink that would work?
04:42:39goffa_i think it would
04:42:45goffa_what i would do is this
04:43:03goffa_put all the rockbox files from your player in a folder on the player for backup
04:43:07goffa_then put your new build on there
04:43:12goffa_see what happens
04:43:23dubstyleok
04:43:28goffa_if it doesn't work just move stuff back
04:43:42goffa_check the build date on the splash screen
04:43:48jbathere used to be a faq about dymaic playlists and the fact rockbox is a filesystem player
04:43:52goffa_just to make sure that you updated
04:43:53jbacann't seem to find it anywhere
04:44:05dubstylehas the CVS made much improvements since auguest 1st?
04:44:21goffa_dubstyle: i'd say yes
04:44:41goffa_esp for my target... dunno what's been done for the 340.. that's been pretty stable for a while
04:45:00dubstylethe whole reason im doing this is cus the build thats already up on misticriver that i use hasnt been updated in 2 months
04:45:03dubstylelol
04:45:10goffa_ah
04:45:34goffa_yeah.. i've gone like a whole 2 weeks without updating.. lol
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04:46:02goffa_click insert was huge for me
04:47:23dubstylewhat is that?
04:47:39dubstylei havent been checking up on the updates much the last few months
04:48:07goffa_well.. you can set insert as the default action in the file browser
04:48:18goffa_so it will add selected track next in the playlist
04:48:31goffa_without erasing your playlist and queuing current dir
04:48:43goffa_its not in by default.. you have to patch
04:48:57dubstylelol
04:49:03goffa_the devs like the default action.. so i doubt it will be included
04:49:07dubstylerockbox booted up but is givign me a million erros
04:49:11goffa_lol
04:49:19dubstylecodecs are all off
04:49:42goffa_did you do make zip or make fullzip?
04:49:48dubstylemake zip
04:49:50dubstyleill try the other
04:49:56goffa_yeah..
04:50:03goffa_dunno if it'll help.. but worth a shot
04:50:23dubstyledo u run linux or windows?
04:50:41goffa_yep :)
04:50:47goffa_linux at home
04:50:48dubstylehaha
04:50:50goffa_windows when forced
04:50:58goffa_like at work
04:51:19dubstylei installed cygwin and all that shit, then i rememberd i have a suse build on this comp
04:51:20dubstylehaha
04:51:28goffa_ha ha ha
04:51:33dubstylethe thought of installing all those dependancies gives me a headache tho
04:51:35goffa_much nicer
04:51:38goffa_yeah
04:52:16dubstyledamn, same studd, name not matched
04:52:24goffa_hmm
04:52:37goffa_nuke that dir.. and try doing it again
04:52:48goffa_if that doesn't do it.. i'm not sure what's up
04:53:21goffa_damn.. knock at the door.. bbl
04:53:32dubstylethanks man
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05:00:18dubstyledo you think any patches that im using could be causing these errors?
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05:02:07dubstyledamn, im almost postive thats teh problem now
05:02:28dubstylethere was an error in the make, looks like its from the album art patch
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05:49:28shrimantshey guys
05:49:37shrimantsim back with another question
05:49:53shrimants(instead of idle conversation)
05:50:43shrimantsis there an autosync utility or file for rockbox? i know that i used to have one that was based off of an autorun.inf file or something
05:50:59shrimantsbut i have no idea what i did with it or what it was called
05:52:06shrimantsnvm found it
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07:21:11webguest23can someone help me with rockdoom ?
07:21:30webguest23im trying to get it to work
07:22:02webguest23it runs but i cant seem to get any buttons configured
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07:32:06dubstyle311whats the point of games?
07:32:08dubstyle311i dont get it
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07:36:02webguest23dubstyle311: me neither...bubbles is the only one that works ok
07:36:42webguest23cant even really strafe
07:37:53webguest23ipods dont have enough buttons for rockboy and doom
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07:50:59RoC_MMI use m ipod for music
07:51:06RoC_MMI have a playstation 9 for games.
07:51:17RoC_MMit only costs 9,000 dollars
07:54:40Nibbiersnt it just cool, oh yes it is
07:55:07Nibbieri remember doom port was a april fools joke once on rockbox list :)
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08:56:42JdGordonjhMikeS: nice work on the recorder setings :)
08:57:11JdGordonI havnt noticed any slowness in the menus... but ill keep an eye on it
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09:03:50jhMikeSJdGordon: thanks
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09:04:56jhMikeSnow I have to make the sound_ functions work for settings with any number of parameters but for now just 1 and 2
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09:09:52jhMikeSJdGordon: still need the right events sent :) I have some thoughts on what's needed there. Maybe a couple name changes and option lists should be able to hide items as well (recording source, FM Radio) while returning the index in the full list.
09:11:07JdGordon:)
09:11:19JdGordonyou didnt add any more files did you?
09:11:31jhMikeSIt could save a lot of menu code in those functions.
09:11:42jhMikeSJdGordon: None of my own
09:11:57jhMikeSDid I miss another?
09:12:21JdGordonno, just making sure my script to make the patch will work corectly still
09:12:53jhMikeSWhat I put up there is just a diff from CVS at the time
09:13:03JdGordonk
09:13:39jhMikeSIt applied and compiled I hope (it should)
09:13:52JdGordonyup, all god
09:13:54JdGordongood
09:14:52JdGordonshold i bother redoing the menu code so a proper actio is sent the firs time an item is enetered and also when exited?
09:16:06jhMikeSI think entry and exit should be for both entry/exit of a submenu and entry/exit of setting itself
09:21:19JdGordonok, all items will get REQUEST_MENUITEM before bein displayed, then ENTER_MENUITEM the first time it is enetred, and EXIT_MENUITEM on exit
09:21:30JdGordonbit more logical now
09:21:32jhMikeSShouln't entry really be any different behavior if the menu item is another menu or a setting. And a query about each item should be sent the same way if it's an items in an option list or the items in the menuitem (ok each item in the parent).
09:21:43jhMikeSShould rather
09:22:00JdGordoneverything is handled the same way
09:22:05jhMikeSah
09:22:21JdGordonthe difference is the REQUEST_ is only sent to subitems of the menu about t be enered
09:22:29JdGordonentered*
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09:23:45jhMikeSwhat about querying items in a list of options like whether FM Radio should be in the list of sources? That must be dynamic.
09:25:22JdGordonyeah, there shhuoldnt be a problem with that...
09:26:42jhMikeSBut option list items don't have pointers. How do I know the option value being queried about like AUDIO_SRC_FMRAIO?
09:28:21JdGordonoh, ok, i was confused.. you need dymanic setting lists... thats can be done in a similar way, because there is a helper funcito to put together a optoin list for the settings, so it can be extended to have a calback to figure out which need to be shown and which to skip
09:28:37jhMikeSCB might need two parameters, if the item is a menu item, 2nd param ignored otherwise the numeric id
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09:29:17JdGordonmaybe, lemme fix the menu stuff first, then we cn figure this out
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09:31:01jhMikeSAll menus are submenus. A submenu consists of submenus and settings. :P
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09:31:20jhMikeSthat's just the way I think about it
09:31:39JdGordonthats how its supposed to work
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09:32:40JdGordongrrr.. back in a bit
09:33:30webguest37is there something wrong with my browser that i dont see several targets in the CVS downloads page
09:33:43kwincheeHello
09:34:03kwincheecan someone help me out
09:34:12kwincheewith an Iriver H340
09:34:17webguest37just pose the question
09:35:45webguest37Bagder morning
09:36:00JdGordonwebguest37: a few are missing here also
09:36:05Bagderobviously something failed
09:36:10JdGordonnope
09:36:12JdGordonclean table
09:36:24Bagderwell, I bet something failed
09:36:27webguest37ah then its not my browser, thanks
09:37:19kwincheeI have a h340 that has corrupt firmware and i need to reflash it execpt the player its self dose not pick up the harddrive
09:37:32kwincheebut i can acsess the hdd in usb
09:37:49kwincheecan i reflash the firmware from a serial cable
09:38:02webguest37replace the firmware files on your player and try to reflash
09:38:46webguest37are you running rockbox or original firmware
09:39:15dubstyle311yo guys, has the cvs been improved a lot since the beginning of augest?
09:39:27rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/biew/Main/MajorChanges
09:39:35rashereh
09:39:37dubstyle311404
09:39:38kwincheewhen im in the players OS it will not find thee hard drive and just tells me i have oooo files so i cant reflash the player that way
09:39:52rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
09:40:12dubstyle311thanks
09:41:01webguest37kwinchee, if you can make a backup of your files do so, then try and load ALL firmware files to your player, then try to reflash your player
09:42:30webguest37kwinchee, if it still cant read the files, the reformat the hard drive, use the original OS's format option if you can, if not then try swissknife, ensure that you format to FAT32
09:43:02peturwebguest37: he just said he can't access the disk from OF
09:43:20webguest37just covering all the bases
09:44:02peturwebguest37: is the disk ok? when accessed over USB, can you chkdsk it?
09:44:05jhMikeSNot sure if I should revert the grayscale intensity change I did and do a more thorough treatment to make it user adjustable. It works well for some and not others and too dark is worse than too light.
09:44:40kwincheethe disk over usb is 100% i have been using it as a portable hdd
09:44:54kwincheewhat is the best chkdsk to use
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09:45:37peturno idea, I usualy stick with what M$ offers
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09:46:07kwincheeis ther a way to directley flash it witha serial cabl
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09:46:13peturno
09:47:29peturYou could by using a BDM wiggler as LinusN used that to develop/test the bootloader (iirc)
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09:48:08kwinchee??? how so
09:49:25peturyou'd need to solder a connector to the board and also need extra hardware - don't know the details there
09:49:52kwincheedose ne 1
09:50:24peturLinusN knows
09:53:33kwincheehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments#iRiver
09:54:04kwincheetheses r the pinnous but wat to do with them
09:54:28peturmore like this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBDM
09:55:51rasherkwinchee: You can't flash with a serial cable, it needs much more "advanced" hardware
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09:57:00peturkwinchee: it would cost you $199 so I'd forget about that route...
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10:00:29kwinchee2so what can i do
10:00:45kwinchee2could i buy a new mother board
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10:01:31peturdid you check misticriver? There are lots of reports about 0000 files, maybe some have a clue?
10:01:41peturalso, does rockbox work?
10:01:50kwinchee2no
10:02:05peturget an error?
10:02:19kwinchee2i took it off rite befour it happened to play with the new firmware
10:02:52kwinchee2but the new firmware worked for a few days
10:02:58peturtake it off?
10:03:12rasherDo you still have the Rockbox bootloader installed?
10:03:28kwinchee2yer
10:04:05kwinchee2sry i put it back on like 4 days ago the new firm ware go boring so i went back th 1.29k
10:04:24kwinchee2but it eorked up untill yester day
10:04:48peturflash doesn't normally corrupt itself just like that
10:05:00peturtry resetting settings in iriver
10:05:52peturor reset iriver settings from within rockbox, I can give you an EEPROM settings file
10:06:29kwinchee2HOW ??? i wont rede the hdd so it cant bootinto rockbox
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10:07:00peturso you say you can access the disk over USB but rockbox won't load?
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10:09:29kwinchee2ok if it is pluged into usb and i lode up the player into iriver firm it dosenot see the hdd and i get 0000 files but if i view the hdd in my computer in can see the files
10:10:05kwinchee2so its just a portable hdd now
10:12:21rasherSo it's simply a problem with the iriver firmware?
10:12:55rasherCan you use Rockbox instead?
10:13:15kwinchee2no
10:13:20rasherWhy not?
10:13:34kwinchee2it gives me an error
10:13:51rasherWhen, and which error?
10:16:06kwinchee2it wont rede the files on thee hdd and dose nothing
10:16:20rasherDoes nothing?
10:16:28peturkwinchee2: from searching the misticriver forum, I think you should really check the disk. attach it to usb, in windows right-click the drive -> properties -> tools -> Check Now
10:18:24kwinchee2it completes with no errors
10:20:00peturthis somehow doesn't make sense at all. Did you reformat it? It should be FAT32
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10:21:26kwinchee2i no it is fat32
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10:22:42peturkwinchee2: when diskchecking, did you let it check for bad clusters?
10:22:55kwinchee2yes
10:26:45peturcan you remember what error rockbox gave?
10:30:03kwinchee2no
10:30:05kwinchee2sry
10:30:41rasherCan you try putting Rockbox back on?
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10:30:58rasherIf you still have the bootloader installed, it should just be a matter of unzipping the latest build
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10:37:19kwinchee2im not sure i have thee bootloder on it i may have flaashed to clean 1.29k
10:38:53peturif you connect usb while it is powered off, what screen do you get?
10:39:23peturif it says 'bootloader usb mode' you got the rockbox bootloader on
10:40:13rasherAnyway, can't you flash again?
10:40:49peturrasher: he just said he can't access the disk from OF
10:41:04rasherIt might still be able to read the firmware file
10:41:07*petur hears strange echoes :p
10:41:07rasherPossibly
10:41:08kwinchee2nothing
10:41:21peturnothing what?
10:41:31kwinchee2it stays back then after a few min will start charging in iriver firm
10:41:48peturso no rockbox bootloader
10:41:55peturstill in warranty?
10:42:51kwinchee2no its 2years old
10:43:28amiconnLinusN: ping...
10:45:52JdGordondoes anyone think the settings patch is ready for serious final testing before commit? the only thing off the top off my head which doesnt work as cvs is no-volatile settings and the h300 doesnt use them so i cant tes the code I've done for it...
10:46:33kwinchee2what can i do i love my h340 so much
10:46:47rasherkwinchee2: Have you tried flashing a firmware?
10:47:13kwinchee2yes nothing happens
10:47:23*petur is convinced the flash has nothing to do with the issue
10:47:40kwinchee2i go to up firm and selectit and it just goes back to the menue
10:48:09peturreset settings to default?
10:48:24kwinchee2it has to because i can acsee all the files over my computer just not through the player
10:48:30jhMikeSamiconn: Were you suggesting I revert those changes for the gray levels yesterday? I have no problem doing that and can come up with a better solution.
10:48:44kwinchee2done it like 50 times nothing happens
10:49:23peturkwinchee2: I'd try to get it repaired somewhere...
10:49:46kwinchee2i dont have ne money
10:50:13kwinchee2im thinking of selling the hdd from it and buying a h10
10:51:20kwinchee2i love the 340 such beautiful sound thay actualy can offer a match to my senhiser audiophiles
10:55:16kwinchee2??
10:56:38*scorche wonders how a DAP can pose a decent "match" to headphones...
10:56:44petursorry, not much we can do I'm affraid
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11:08:22markunscorche: I read somewhere that one of the sony DAPs has a very good DAC+amp. Also the Kendwoods supposedly sound very good.
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11:27:44LinusNamiconn: pong
11:28:10peturpang....
11:29:32LinusNkaching!
11:29:38LinusNpoff!
11:30:16rasherSee, this is why the "ping" method is a bad idea. Now if amiconn had said something, LinusN could have answered already
11:30:17amiconnPacket loss: 67%, average round trip: 2650 seconds
11:30:37peturhahaha
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11:33:43peturmore like 2656 to be exact
11:34:03*petur stops wasting time and gets back to work
11:35:48jhMikeSamiconn: ok, I'll ask yet again :) do you think it wise for me to revert the gray level change?
11:36:09amiconnI'm undecided
11:36:21jhMikeSok, just give word
11:36:51amiconnThe old greyscale mapping was a little too bright. The new one is clearly too dark,on my H140
11:37:29jhMikeSI figure until something better is done, too light is better than too dark when you have black text
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11:42:52LinusNit was about time that the percent vs dB discussion came to life again, i've missed it :-)
11:43:19petur:)
11:45:05rasherLinusN, Bagder: What needs to be done to enable automatic voice building? Anything I can help with?
11:45:27LinusNrasher: how ready are the scripts?
11:46:08rasherLinusN: They're included in the build system right now. Just run configure, select voice, make and you should have a voice file
11:46:31rasher(assuming nothing went wrong)
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11:46:57LinusNany issues with installing the tts system, for example festival?
11:47:06jhMikeS% vs. semitones: semitones
11:47:30LinusNjhMikeS: :-)
11:47:41frogfootany news on when the H140 builds will be available ?
11:48:07markunrasher: about the languages.. If you build a esperanto voice with "speak -v eo" and some strings are missing it will fall back to english and they will sound wrong of course.
11:48:11rasherLinusN: Installing festival or flite should Just Work in Debian. The only problem is that you need lame as well
11:48:38LinusNok
11:48:40rashermarkun: Yeah, I'm a bit unsure about what to do with languages..
11:48:54rasherEnglish is the only language that works out of the box right now
11:49:18*frogfoot looks at the webmasters
11:49:56*LinusN looks away
11:50:09frogfoothehe
11:50:19LinusNfrogfoot: what are you talking about?
11:50:33rashermarkun: Do you think that the configure script should autodetect which options are needed for the TTS or something?
11:50:51peturLinusN: lookie here: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
11:50:55frogfootthe h140 targets are missing from the cvs download page
11:51:12markunrasher: I don't know how it should be done
11:51:21LinusNfrogfoot: h120 and h140 are identical
11:51:35rasherh120 is missing as well
11:51:47frogfoottrue, but archos, and some apple targets are missing a swell
11:51:54peturand several archosses
11:52:10LinusNin the daily build?
11:52:22frogfootno cvs
11:52:30rashermarkun: Yeah, me neither, really. The only automatic way would be to have a list of which options are needed for the various TTS supported I guess
11:52:41rasher(for each language supported)
11:53:08oboLinusN: Slasheris new server wasn't allowing the master build server to scp the results back - he's changed the firewall since
11:53:22markunrasher: and is it possible to have a different TTS for the selected language and english fallback strings?
11:53:32LinusNobo: oh
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11:54:08rashermarkun: I think that'll be problematic. I'm not sure genlang tells us that it's falling back on defaults. But it'd be nice if that was possible for sure. I'll put it on my todo list
11:54:15rasherdefaults=english
11:55:27*jhMikeS would find it helpful to target/ a few of the audio_* functions...just a few
11:55:46LinusNobo: so they should be back as soon as someone commits something?
11:55:52oboAFAIK
11:55:56LinusNallright
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11:56:40frogfootah the big fix cometh
11:57:10LinusNthe daily build is still there is you can settle for that
11:57:17LinusNs/is/if/
11:57:43frogfoot*nods*
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11:57:50rasherOr someone could just commit something
11:58:30*frogfoot like his dailies, helps him stay regular
11:59:10rasherHrm, turns out there is a bug with voice building
11:59:14frogfootthanks
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12:01:59rasherFixed..
12:03:10rasherLet's see if the builds work now
12:04:05jhMikeSit's thanksgiving here in the states today so I guess it's the rare occasion where I get really trashed :)
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12:10:33pondlifelinuxstb: Don't suppose you had your FAT disk label disappear a second time, or any other clues on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5217 ?
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12:46:07obosame problem with the builds again :(
12:47:05Slasherihmm, builds still missing?
12:47:25oboyup - from xen
12:47:44Slasherihow did you check that?
12:48:21obogoing through the cvs builds page - checking the build log for the targets against the missing builds at the bottom of the page
12:49:25oboalso, the buildmaster log has entries like: "Warning: couldn't get zip from rbclient@xen.ihme.org/build-fmrecorder"
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12:49:43Slasherioh!
12:49:48Slasherinow i know
12:50:01Slasherizip package was not installed, argh.. fixed now =)
12:51:25obohehe
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12:59:13luckzobo!
12:59:16luckzI desire to flame you :D
12:59:33*obo is now worried
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13:00:09luckzrockscrobbler always causes me slight issues in submittance. either it submits things I did not listen to, or it does not submit things I did listen to,.. and what it always does is somehow breaking submittal of tracks then actually played on my pc, for like 20 minutes
13:00:31luckzwhich gets me the good old
13:00:31luckzSome tracks you submitted have not been added to your profile for the following reason:
13:00:35luckzSpam protection triggered: You submitted a track dated earlier than your last submission.
13:00:42luckzwell
13:00:45luckzthe last.fm patch, I guess
13:01:00luckzrockscrobbler the perl cutie isn't really doing much
13:01:07luckzit just.. submits what the log tells it to
13:01:22luckzbut I, lazy bum, like to refer to the whole process as rockscrobbling.
13:02:28obookay... where to begin... I guess checking the .scrobbler.log file
13:03:08luckzI think the scrobbler.log nowadays actually contains files I just started to play in the moment I shut down the X5 or so
13:03:43oboIs that missing tracks? Is the S/L status being set correctly?
13:03:58luckzthe S/L status is, I assume, being set wrongly for some tracks
13:04:09obookay... the second version of the patch here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6213
13:04:24obowill help with the S/L status for the last track
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13:04:57luckzso that was a known issue?
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13:05:09oboonly for the last track...
13:05:20obothere shouldn't be any problems with S/L status for other tracks.
13:05:43luckzis that in any binary builds?
13:05:52oboThe other known issue is missing first tracks when resuming, or from new playlists
13:05:58obonope, just as a patch
13:06:23oboI'm going to need the help of a playback guru to fix the first track problem.
13:11:40peturpondlife: No idea how to repro the missing disklabel. Knowing that would give the solution too I think. I've once checked the fat code but only found another unrelated bug. I actually started looking at that code again yesterday but real life aborted it as usual.
13:11:57luckzmh, single-click enqueue sounds nice.
13:15:42pondlifepetur: Those mystery 3.0-bugs bug me.
13:16:05pondlifeWe know about the rewind at track end and bootloader bugs, but not the other 2.
13:17:09peturI've got a commecial fat implementation at home to verify our code against, but the past two weeks have been very busy :/
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13:18:16pondlifeIt could be that it has been fixed, or it's actually a bug in something else - Windows/iTunes...?
13:18:38obopondlife: any hints on where to look for this problem? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5495#comment11698
13:19:43pondlifeobo: Not really, I'd see if I could repro it in the simulator I think, then put extra logfs in the track buffer/unbuffer code.
13:19:56pondlifeThis is the unbuffer callback, right?
13:20:18LinusNone question: is the audio code supposed to send a trackchange event when starting a track?
13:20:29obono, it's the track_changed callback
13:20:48luckzheh
13:20:57luckzobo: I just noticed I did not set my X5 to wintar time :D
13:21:01pondlifeI'm amazed how resume on startup is so problematic - it should just be the same as a simulated press of the play button once we've booted, but it seems to be more complicated.
13:21:17pondlifei.e. it's a UI thing, not a playback thing
13:21:18luckzmaybe I should just keep it constant and force time offset in perl
13:22:19oboLinusN: I have no idea - could I get away with changing the way that callback works, since the scrobbler code is currently the only thing that uses it?
13:22:43pondlifeThe buffering code in playback is busted at the moment if the track buffer wraps. Either play an album with lots of short/mono/low bitrate tracks, or make a build with MAX_TRACK set to 3 or 4. Things start to go very screwy.
13:23:07LinusNwe should first define what the track_changed event is supposed to mean
13:23:09pondlifee.g. wrong ID3 info displayed, buffering runs forever (playback continues, hard disk never stops)
13:23:21LinusNpondlife: wonderful
13:24:09pondlifeLike I said, all developers should run with #define MAX_TRACK 4 and use the device :(
13:24:31pondlifeIt's probably unrelated to the callback bugs, but maybe ....
13:24:54pondlifeOne day I'll have time to get back in there, but that day is not today.
13:25:41LinusNagain: is the playback code supposed to call the calback when starting the first track, or only when changing track?
13:27:36Slasherithat callback was originally meant to be called when track is changed, but i am not sure how it works now
13:28:49Slasheribut track_buffer callback should be called always when new tracks are loaded to the buffer
13:30:26LinusNso i guess the code works as intended, but we might have to change it to accomodate the scrobbler functionality
13:31:06oboor add a new callback/function just for first tracks?
13:32:23LinusNwell, it should be quite simple to redefine the meaning of the callback
13:32:30*obo could do with a archos so he can see if those act in the same way
13:32:54LinusNtrack_start or something
13:33:30LinusNthe transition from no track to first track could be considered a track change as well
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13:34:01obowhat else is the track_changed bool in playback.c tied into?
13:34:01robfitz case 12: s = "Additional Driver, Charge"; break;
13:35:28Slasheriobo: it's used only for updating the wps
13:36:05obocompletely separate from the callback?
13:36:29Slasheriwell, callback should set the flag to true
13:36:29LinusNyes
13:37:38LinusNthe callback is used by the runtime database
13:37:58obowhich isn't compiled anymore? (the one from database.c)
13:38:05LinusNhmm, does that mean that you can't use the runtime db and scrobble at the same time?
13:38:09Slasheriruntime db uses only buffer and unbuffer event callbacks
13:38:49LinusN audio_set_track_changed_event(&rundb_track_change);
13:39:04Slasherihmm, that is obsolote then
13:39:06obodatabase.c isn't in apps/SOURCES
13:39:15LinusNtrue
13:39:31jhMikeSalways that durn playback.c
13:39:40Slasherinew runtime db is in tagtree.c
13:39:53LinusNi won't mind adding a callback call when starting playback too
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13:53:52LinusNis he for real? :-)
13:53:58LinusNprice less
13:54:20LinusNGenre9mp3: time for you to update GoldenQuotes
13:54:32LinusN"I got rockbox because i expect more out of them, and i have a right to expect more"
13:54:36obo"i have a right to expect more"
13:54:41LinusN:-)
13:54:41Genre9mp3"Now make me proud and make these updates i ask for done ASAP" << how about this?
13:54:51oboboth, I should think :)
13:54:58Genre9mp3There are tons of golden quotes in there!
13:55:13Bagder"i have a right to expect more"
13:55:29*Bagder sends out his team of hit-men
13:55:36Genre9mp3haha
13:55:49bluebrother"include pacman rom with release"
13:55:54bluebrotherLOL
13:56:35markunLinusN: he refuses to use rockbox if we don't add radio support!! http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=48632
13:56:42Genre9mp3ohoh... our master is dissapointed... "...by tommorow or even this weekend would be great, but im sick of lollydolling around on this site, waiting for a good release."
13:56:49petur"Now make me proud and make these updates i ask for done ASAP, by tommorow or even this weekend would be great,..."
13:57:01bluebrotherhe _refuses_ to use Rockbox? Great :)
13:57:16rashermarkun: I think we must please this man at once. We can't risk losing him!
13:57:30Genre9mp3he is a Quote Goldmine! ;)
13:57:48bluebrotherGenre9mp3: someone should tell him that ;-)
13:57:54markun"Are you guys just haters against Iriver software that you sacrifice features just to have something that looks a little different and in my opinion worse on your machine."
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13:58:12rashermarkun: No way he said that.
13:58:18rasherI refuse to believe it.
13:58:26markun:)
13:58:34*bluebrother goes looking if there is something like the "Merkbefreiung" in english
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14:00:00rasherSo anything happening on the wma front?
14:00:27markunIt keeps getting better "...why release something so garbadge."
14:00:33jhMikeS"...and i have a right to expect more..." ?!?!?!?!
14:00:54jhMikeSlike it's an entitlement :\
14:01:02rasher"Get a brain and stop saying people are whining when they are simply asking where certain features are from the real product."
14:01:11bluebrothermaybe we should put a "these are no releases!" on the daily page. Big red blinking letters ...
14:01:22rasherNah, don't bother
14:01:22bluebrotherjust for guys like him
14:01:25rasherMost people get it.
14:01:30bluebrotherhehe, indeed.
14:01:59rasherNo reason to ugly up the pages and add a disconcerting disclaimer just for the occasional dork.
14:02:04markunbluebrother: he has an answer for that too.. "Wait for the real release, this release or "Up dating product" as the makers like to say cause their too good for it to be called just a release like other real makers make of it."
14:02:05jhMikeSshops at Kroger too, maybe I'll see 'im :)
14:02:10Genre9mp3GoldenQuotes updated...
14:02:20bluebrotherI wasn't too serious about that red letters ;-)
14:03:42bluebrothertoo bad, there doesn't seem to be an english equivalent to a Merkbefreiung
14:03:49markunGenre9mp3: what, you quoted him only 2 times? :)
14:04:10Genre9mp3markun: feel free to add more! :)
14:04:38LinusNnah, he doesn't deserve it
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14:05:11rasherbluebrother: What does it mean? I see Merk, and befreiung, but I cannot make any sense of it.
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14:06:55bluebrotherit's a thing from the german usenet. You get a release ("Befreiung") from noticing ("merken") anything for a specified time
14:07:53bluebrotherit's designed like those official authorithy letters
14:08:02markunrasher: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkbefreiung
14:08:19rasherAh, I was reading Merk as in mark
14:09:58bluebrother"A Merkbefreiung is a fictive document that releases the recepient from the usually assumed duty to notice something or remember earlier parts of the discussion
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14:14:10webguest47hello
14:14:29webguest47dont manage to build for sansa
14:15:02webguest47could someone provide me the zip build ?
14:22:06markunwebguest47: I could try to buils it, but is rockbox even working on the sansa yet?
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14:24:08Genre9mp3just to quote dan_a about the Sansa port status
14:24:12webguest47markun: yes, it works partially
14:24:16Genre9mp3"you can build Rockbox and boot it, and there is a read/write driver for the disk. At the moment, there are many things missing so it is suitable for people able to help with development, but not for people just wanting to try it out."
14:24:39webguest47i dont want to try it by participate
14:24:51webguest47dan_a gave me a previaous build
14:25:09webguest47"but participate"
14:25:20markunwebguest47: where do you get stuck when building rockbox?
14:26:13webguest47it gives errors about ")" with gnu-elf-arm
14:27:00webguest47with ubuntu, i added binary from gnuarm.org
14:27:46markunwebguest47: try tools/rockboxdev.sh to compile your own compiler
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14:28:13markunIf you want to participate you need a working compiler anyway
14:34:34webguest47markun: Thanks, didnt test that
14:37:28webguest47markun: wow, too easy !
14:38:28webguest47excuse me but : how to make PATH include ?
14:40:18JdGordon40mi late.. rofl at the MR post
14:44:32markunwebguest47: it might be in ~/.bashrc
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14:45:52webguest47markun: big thanks
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14:52:38amiconnThere's still a ton of cvs builds missing, even after the rebuild due to rasher's commit
14:52:42amiconnSlasheri !!
14:53:10oboamiconn: he was missing zip - there hasn't been a commit since that was installed
14:53:30JdGordonhaha.. was it Slasheri's new comp stuffing everything up?
14:55:01LinusNyup
14:55:16*amiconn wonders why people don't test...
14:55:30amiconn'make zip' should have thrown an error on this box
14:55:50Genre9mp3on a side notice... could we make the daily/cvs build pages a bit prettier by using the svgs that we use in the manuals?
14:57:18Genre9mp3well... maybe jpgs made out of the svgs
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15:03:44rasherThat'd probably look nicer
15:04:08rasherShame you can't reliably use transparent pngs
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15:11:47Genre9mp3rasher: You mean because of different browsers?
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15:11:56Genre9mp3(about the transparent pngs)
15:12:08rasherGenre9mp3: More specifically, because of IE
15:12:23Genre9mp3yes
15:12:56Genre9mp3shame indeed
15:13:28Genre9mp3a blue-ish background would do the trick
15:14:21bluebrotheractual IE can handle 1bit transparency in pngs in most cases
15:14:51bluebrotherI just would ignore it looking crap for users with broken browsers
15:14:52rasherYeah, but it's not easy to create 1-bit transparent pngs from vector sources
15:15:40rasherI suppose the best option is to create an image with a rockbox-blue background
15:15:41bluebrotherhmm. Isn't it possible converting the vector graphic to png, and then convert that to 1bit alpha using ImageMagick?
15:16:32Bagdersounds likely
15:16:53rasherProbably, but it's likely to look awful
15:17:08Bagderyeah
15:17:32rasherEither go for alpha-transparent pngs and ignore IE, or render against a blue background
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15:21:51jhMikeSyou have to do transparent png differently on IE but it can work
15:22:30*bluebrother hates IE
15:22:59rasherjhMikeS: That's a horrible hack at best
15:23:00bluebrotherespecially because it is broken in that many ways
15:23:27bluebrotheryou could use gif ;-)
15:23:41rasherWell, everything gif can do, png can do (in IE as well)
15:23:59rasherNot animation, obviuosly
15:24:27bluebrotherdoes transparency work that flawlessly with IE than with gif?
15:24:45bluebrotherhaven't used gif for ages, but I mostly don't care about IE
15:25:04rasherI don't think there are any important hiccups with 1-bit transparency
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15:26:31rasherGuess I was wrong.
15:27:31bluebrotherbbl
15:27:57jhMikeSrasher: did they improve the situation in ie7? i haven't checked.
15:28:32rasherNo idea
15:29:15rasherAnd it looks like 1-bit is broken as well in many situations. Not quite sure what it means, but I've managed to create working 1-bit transparent pngs
15:29:30jhMikeSrasher: yup, just checked it
15:29:53jhMikeShttp://entropymine.com/jason/testbed/pngtrans/
15:31:20rasherAnd here http://www.schaik.com/pngsuite/pngsuite_trn_png.html
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15:32:25jhMikeSthey look ok here
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15:32:55rasherNot in ie6
15:33:14peturnope, it sucks in IE6
15:33:16rasherAnd that's simple 1-bit transparency
15:33:44rasherI wonder how it looks if you force the IE trick
15:33:54jhMikeSie7 is fixed apparently
15:34:57n1sanyone with a h300 here?
15:35:05peturyes
15:35:40n1spetur what does your battery percentage show after a full charge?
15:36:05n1smine shows 91% after the semi-recent changes to power management.
15:36:06jhMikeSrasher: ie trick. the image filter works. i have a start page on my computer that uses it.
15:36:06petursometimes 100%, sometimes a little less
15:36:36n1spetur, what is the max voltage you get?
15:37:15peturn1s: haven't actually monitorred that and it's not full now (and no charger with me here)
15:37:57n1spetur, ok just trying to figure out if my battery has aged that much or if the calibration is off.
15:38:30petursorry, I don't look at it so closely...
15:38:57rasherjhMikeS: Yeah, I was wondering how it'd look if applied to all of the pngs on the test-page. To see how complete *that* implementation is
15:40:11peturn1s: currently at 4.05V - 87%
15:40:52jhMikeSi could try it out but it does work with just a normal 24+8 bit image
15:44:24jhMikeSwere you planning on using 64 bit RGBA? ;)
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15:54:43rasherIE still fails a bunch of tests, even when using the AlphaImageLoader hack.
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16:02:11jhMikeSAs long as it doesn't fail in the needed ways
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17:32:42chaebihi, I've got a problem. I' m trying to access the microphone of my x5 with rockbox. Recently, there was some recording functionality added to the plugin api. I tried to use it, but I hardly had any success. I just don't get any data. I wonder if there is anything special I should know? I wonder if you could help me?
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17:49:35jhMikeSchaebi: mine works fine but the plugin api doesn't have any working audio gain control yet. should change real soon.
17:51:06jhMikeSchaebi: can pastbin an example of using the functions real quick. I just got to changing some things cause I wasn't quite happy with it and it was missing the gain control.
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18:22:30Nimdaehappy thanksgiving, if you're american :P
18:23:04Nimdaeand i am thankful for rockbox :)
18:26:34jhMikeSNimdae: thanks. and same about rb
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18:41:01GnelikHI!
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18:55:45GnelikHi Dan!
18:55:55dan_aHello
18:55:59GnelikHow are you??
18:56:22dan_aI'm well. Frustrated that I can't make the bootloader work properly!
18:56:47GnelikWhat is the problem?
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18:57:56dan_aUsing the H10 bootloader as a start, I can boot the original firmware, but it doesn't work properly. Some bits hang if you plug the USB in, and it doesn't play music
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19:03:09dan_aGnelik: Have you seen the end of the CREDITS file?
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19:05:02GnelikYep
19:05:10GnelikThanks %)
19:05:29GnelikBut i difnt do to much
19:05:34Gnelik*didnt
19:06:55Gnelikdan_a: Any progress with other parts like buttons and so on?
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19:07:58dan_aGnelik: No. I figured out how to see if the scrollwheel is attached to the GPIO, though, so I might try that when I have some spare time
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19:09:21Gnelikdan_a: I cant understand why i saw GPIO changing one time but can't reproduce it
19:10:19GnelikWhen scrooling the whell
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19:18:02Gnelikdan_a:When you will finish the bootloader could we use dualboot?
19:19:20dan_aThat's the whole point. I didn't want to have to change the firmware to copy a new .rockbox folder across, and then change again to test it
19:19:49GnelikYep it's a problem
19:19:53Gnelik:)
19:21:50amiconnShouldn't that be possible without dual-boot, i.e. with a rockbox bootloader that just boots rockbox?
19:22:36dan_aamiconn: Not until we know how to use the USB. Recovery mode only writes .mi4 files to the special recovery partition
19:23:00amiconneurgh
19:23:15dan_aI know
19:23:16amiconnDo the .mi4 files get flashed?
19:23:33dan_aThey do.
19:23:44amiconnThe ipod does at least have a full featured disk mode
19:23:55amiconn(apart from the slowness on nano and 5g)
19:24:44dan_aI think the H10 is similar to the iPod - you can boot into a UMS mode independent of the firmware
19:25:10amiconnPerhaps. I dunno whether the H10 has 2 modes
19:25:46amiconnThe ipod has 2 disk modes, emergency disk mode in the apple bootloader and another one in the main firmware
19:26:14amiconnOn the older ipods both modes seem to be identical in speed; on nano and 5g they are not
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19:29:33dan_aAnyway, unless someone works out how to drive the USB, or I get a copy of "Understanding Disassembled Firmware For Dummies" for Christmas, I need to work out what's going wrong in the bootloader.
19:30:44amiconnI'm almost sure USB is implemented in software on the PP5024 the same way as on the other PP targets
19:31:00amiconnSo in order to do our own USB, we actually need 2 things.
19:31:16amiconn(1) we need to know how the USB port hardware can be accessed
19:31:41amiconn(2) we need an USB stack (device side), implementing the mass storage class
19:33:11*amiconn prefers the archos and the coldfire-based targets with their dedicated usb-ata bridge
19:33:36preglowgod, yes
19:35:21rasherNow if those two are achieved, and someone implements usb-sound, that'd be the moment where the ipod way gets interesting
19:35:33rasherPP way, I guess.
19:35:57amiconn2 of the coldfire targets also have usb host capability
19:36:22rasherCan they act as slave as well?
19:36:52amiconnThe H300 usbotg controller can act both as host and slave
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19:37:27amiconnBut there would be no point in acting as a slave, as it only achieves full speed, not high speed
19:37:27Gnelik41 dan_a: I figured out how to see if USB is connected
19:37:42rasheramiconn: You could act as a usb sound card
19:37:53amiconnThe X5 usbotg controller docs aren't publicly available
19:37:57rasher(I've seen requests for that on the tracker, if I'm reading things right)
19:38:12rasherIn conclusion: Many hardware manufacturers suck
19:38:37amiconnH300: Philips ISP1362 - docs available
19:38:47dan_aGnelik41: It's one of the GPIO pins, isn't it?
19:39:02Gnelik41GPIO_B
19:39:08Gnelik41FF inserted
19:39:12Gnelik41EF out
19:39:20amiconnX5: ALi M5636 - secret docs
19:39:44rasherI really wonder what on earth the point of keeping docs secret is.
19:40:08rasherIt seems childish.
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19:41:01dan_arasher: It gives people hacking the device a bigger sense of acheivement when something - anything - works
19:41:19amiconnahaha
19:41:30dan_aPP keep their docs secret to make me happier
19:41:59Gnelik41:)))
19:42:02preglowhahah
19:42:47Gnelik41Do they give Docs t ochip byers? Maybe we will buy one?
19:43:13Gnelik41:)
19:43:34amiconnI guess you'd have to buy 1000+ in order to get the docs
19:43:47amiconnEven then you'll have to sign an NDA
19:44:45Genre9mp3dan_a: nice excuse for hiding your masochism :P
19:45:16Gnelik41hahhah
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19:45:17dan_aThe impression I get is that they give out a software development kit to the device makers, so the docs would just say "To use the USB port, call the function use_usb()"... which is no good to us.
19:45:39dan_aGenre9mp3: hehehe
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19:46:09Gnelik41dan_a: but reversment of one libluary is esier that the whole firmware
19:46:13Gnelik41???
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19:51:01dan_aGnelik41: To people who can do reverse engineering, probably!
19:51:22Gnelik41dan_a but not for us
19:51:24Gnelik41%)
19:52:13dan_aTo me, translating a book in a foreign language and translating a chapter of a book in a foreign language are equally as difficult!
19:52:28amiconnIf that is indeed the case, it should be possible to spot common parts between ipod, h10 and sansa firmware
19:52:37amiconnThese would be the parts that come with the sdk
19:52:43Gnelik41dan_a:Is there more than 16 GPIOS?
19:52:56Gnelik41In sansa
19:53:52Gnelik41dan_a: I think backlight is some of GPIOS too
19:53:55dan_aGnelik41: Look in firmware/export/pp5020.h - those are the ones we know about so far.
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19:59:40Gnelik41dan_a: if i'l send different signals to GPIOS could it kill something?
19:59:50*dan_a does the happy dance of the right setting tweaked
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20:00:30Gnelik41dan_a THUMB_UP
20:00:32habanahi all !
20:00:32Gnelik41!
20:01:07dan_aGnelik41: Possibly... but I've not killed anything yet. If you send signals towards the GPIOs used in the LCD controller, using the pins that are enabled for output, you should be safe (I think!)
20:01:20habanai dont know yet why but CONGRAT dan_a !
20:01:23dan_aI've got dual boot!
20:01:38Gnelik41dan_a:Give me the source %)
20:01:42Gnelik41To try
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20:02:40habanaFor those who believe in oe God, please pray for a sucessful make compiler under linux, i NEED to see evolutions on my sansa.
20:02:44Gnelik41paste at pastebin
20:02:57habanaI've got dual boot! clap clap :)
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20:04:43habanatools/rockboxdev.sh is the best way to obtain gnu-arm on linux ?
20:04:55Gnelik41The best
20:05:02Gnelik41And the esyest
20:05:06dan_aGnelik41: There's some unrelated changes in here too. http://pastebin.ca/256086
20:05:16habanal'etsa go !
20:06:25habanathanks
20:06:36dan_aYou need to make /.rockbox/OF.bin, using "mi4code decrypt -s <original firmware.mi4> OF.bin" and you need to make a normal build and put rockbox.e200 in / on the Sansa
20:07:02dan_aThen you hold left to boot to OF.
20:08:13dan_aI've not worked out why I'm getting the checksum on rockbox.e200 wrong, and I need to play around with the line that disables the cache to make it boot Rockbox quicker before I commit it.
20:09:19amiconnYou're flushing the cache after loading rockbox.e200?
20:11:12dan_aamiconn: No... disabling it before loading either firmware. Rockbox boots (quicker) with it enabled, OF half works. Well, I *think* I'm disabling it
20:11:54Gnelik41patch isnt working
20:12:28Gnelik41Waiting for CVS
20:12:32LearNow what? I have a 32 kHz file and a 48 kHz file and both play too slow. Wonder what's wrong with my new code... :)
20:12:57preglowhmm
20:12:59preglowmetadata weirdness
20:13:00preglow?
20:13:16LearYes, but the ID3 viewer shows the right value...
20:13:22preglowwell, nice
20:13:28dan_aI need to do some Real Life-ing this evening, but I'll get the bootloader in tonight.
20:13:41dan_aStep 2 will be to make it boot .mi4 files.
20:14:10amiconnRoLo for OF?
20:14:29LearAnd the same files work just fine in the simulator.
20:14:32Genre9mp3OFLo
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20:14:43dan_aamiconn: If possible
20:15:09amiconnThat's what RoLo can do on archos - load both rockbox and OF, the same way as the ROM OF can load another one from disk
20:15:47rasherIt'd be nice if I could do that on h120
20:15:59dan_aI'll make it happen on Sansa then. And then see if I can make it work on iPod.
20:16:12amiconnWhat would you need the OF on H1x0 for?
20:16:36rasheramiconn: For the occasional time when I mess up Rockbox (such as forget to update codecs)
20:16:39amiconnI can understand that one wants OF on H300 or X5 (for usbotg)
20:16:41dan_aIf any of the H10 guys are interested, lines 699-704 on that pastebin were the key to making the OF boot
20:17:17rasherOr I load a broken build just before leaving home
20:17:42rasherBut yeah, it's not as good reasons as on h300 and x5
20:17:43amiconnThen don't do that...
20:17:46rasherI try!
20:18:05amiconnIf the build is broken, it will likely not have a working RoLo either...
20:18:19amiconn...and then there already is dual boot in the bootloader
20:18:37rasherYeah, but then I would have flashed Rockbox
20:18:59rasherOh well
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20:20:07habanaif i dont want to double boot for the moment, i just have to not add latest dan_a's patch ?
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20:36:58webguest01hi, what are those red builds for X5, Mike Sevakis?
20:37:40jhMikeSdon't think it's me. the files were included in the update and SOURCES and it builds fine here
20:37:57webguest01then is it a build server thingy?
20:38:03jhMikeSmost likely
20:38:33webguest01then I can dowload the cvs build w/o problems?
20:38:54jhMikeSnot a build with errors, no
20:39:06webguest01oh :(
20:39:21jhMikeSthe source should be fine if that's what you mean
20:39:33amiconnThe errors occured on 2 different build servers
20:39:47oboweird - now linuxstbs server has the same "Warning: couldn't get zip" message, and missing iriver builds
20:39:51webguest01not the source (don't have dev env here), just the build
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20:40:19amiconnMost were on linuxstb.rockbox.org, but one on xen.ihme.org
20:40:41amiconnobo: Those warnings are due to the failed build
20:40:42jhMikeShas to be a server, the files were added and are in SOURCES. I can compile all that
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20:41:03amiconnBagder: around?
20:41:04oboamiconn: yup - me being stupid - sorry
20:41:32jhMikeSI can do a small update to a comment and initiate another build
20:41:43webguest01please do
20:41:51LearI'm about to commit something though.
20:42:05jhMikeSk
20:42:05LearGive me ten minutes or so.
20:42:58webguest01Lear: what will your commit for?
20:43:30jhMikeStell me, cause I still wanna correct the tiny oversight :)
20:43:40LearWhy not wait and see? :p
20:44:04jhMikeSaright, just thinking I could combine it with yours
20:44:28LearIf you really want to commit, just do it...
20:45:15jhMikeSmostly to just see if it goes differently :\
20:47:18LearOk, checked in.
20:48:34amiconnjhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-11-23%2019:47:25.html Seems like th ebuild system ssplit your commit in 2
20:48:53amiconnHappens from time to time, and it's annyoing...
20:48:54jhMikeSagain? happening alot lately
20:50:10jhMikeSuse to hang on me now it split my stuff...hrm
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20:51:56jhMikeSnow I can't recall if the last split I got involved new files or not
20:53:46webguest01red builds fixed
20:54:10petur\o/
20:54:15jhMikeS:)
20:55:11jhMikeSwhat changed lately that would make splitting more likely?
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20:57:39jhMikeSprobably nothing much, I'm just rolling snakeyes more :P
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21:04:41jhMikeSpreglow: there's no double setting of the source now
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21:06:33patrickvoxhi guys
21:06:52patrickvoxanyone able to view .lit or .pdf files on IPOD-5G ?
21:07:51amiconnIceweasel and Icedove, what a naming crap
21:08:50rasherI don't see it.
21:08:58rasherFirefox and Thunderbird are better?
21:10:24amiconnThey are well known
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21:13:48lostlogicmy firefox calls itself Bon Echo, not sure where that came from
21:14:15LearI think you're using an old alpha, or possibly beta...
21:14:27LearIt was a code name during development.
21:14:29rasheramiconn: But debian is not allowed to use them under acceptablle terms.
21:14:40rasherI think Iceweasel and Icedove are better names
21:14:44lostlogicah, then Gentoo's just chosen to dodge the patent thing by using the development names
21:14:46rasherIt makes it more clear that they are related
21:15:11preglowjhMikeS: cool
21:15:22LearPatent? Trademark, you mean (or possibly copyright)...
21:15:54amiconnOther linux distros don't seem to have problems with the firefox name
21:16:11rasherThis is because MoCo is a bunch of whiny bitches
21:16:57jhMikeSpreglow: and you can set the input gain too. doesn't work through sound_set it turns out
21:16:58rasherAnd Debian is not willing to compromise their principles to meet the demands from them
21:17:10rasherBut this is severely OT, and Ill shut up now.
21:17:51preglowamiconn: other distros don't take their main principles so seriously as debian
21:17:59markunpatrickvox: no
21:18:26preglowfirefox/tbird really can't be handled as free software as long as those logos/names are in use, so debian fixed it
21:18:37preglowpretty much agree completely with it as well, mozilla are acting up
21:19:38amiconnAhahahaha
21:20:19amiconnAfter upgrading from firefox 1.5 to iceweasel 2.0, the first start shows the page "You've updated to the latest version of Firefox"
21:20:21amiconnrofl
21:20:32preglowobviously a thorough patch, haha
21:21:44rasherYeah, someone went grepping and failed to pick up on the fact that it'll visit that url
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21:23:23patrickvoxmarkun: do you think that will be in future features ?
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21:25:05markunpatrickvox: they are not planned, but who knows, maybe some day someone will write a viewer for them.
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21:25:18patrickvoxahh, like a 'plugin' ?
21:25:21markunyes
21:26:05patrickvoxahh ok
21:26:21patrickvoxi was so h appy to switch over from the itune to rockbox
21:26:27patrickvoxi hated the database on itune
21:26:33patrickvoxtakes forever to copy files
21:26:43patrickvoxwhereas on rockbox, i can just copy my folders of mp3 over and voila, it's done
21:26:54markunpatrickvox: can you program a little bit?
21:27:03patrickvoxyes, i'm learning php :-)
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21:27:36markunif you want to contribute to rockbox you can learn C after that
21:27:44patrickvoxahh, like gnu-c ?
21:27:58patrickvoxi would love to contribute to rockbox
21:28:02markunwell, ehh.. just C
21:28:04patrickvoxi can learn c in 24 hours
21:28:55patrickvoxhow good i will be, god knows
21:29:08markunthe GNU C compiler doesn't only compile "GNU C" :)
21:29:48patrickvoxare you a contributor/developer for rockbox ?
21:30:09markunyes
21:30:35patrickvoxthat's cool
21:30:38patrickvoxyou sounds pretty cool
21:30:44patrickvoxwhere are u from
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21:59:03kwinchee2coz i wanna bum fuk u
21:59:33Flaviushi all
21:59:49FlaviusI just intalled rockbox on a 5.5g ipod
21:59:53markunkwinchee2: wrong window?
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22:00:10patrickvoxFlavius: did it work ok? i thought 5.5G wont work on rockbox ?
22:00:17Flaviusnow when I try to play doom it freses at the begining
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22:00:39Flaviusyes, it worked, but the apple os is gone now and can't be booted
22:00:53Flaviusand it only works for the 30G one
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22:01:13Flaviusnow, how could I unblock it?
22:01:14patrickvox30gig is 5G
22:01:20patrickvox5.5G is the 80gig
22:01:31Flaviusnope, mine is 5.5g
22:01:44patrickvoxhow do you determine if 30gig is 5.5G ?
22:01:57patrickvoxthe only 5.5G i know is the 80gig version...the 30/60GIG are 5G
22:02:10Flaviusaccording to the Apple site the last 3 letter from the serial nr indicate if you have a 5.5. and I have one
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22:02:25patrickvoxahhh
22:02:27Flaviusas far as I know, 5.5 come in 30 and 80g
22:02:39patrickvoxok, that's cool to know, my bad
22:02:58Flaviusyeah, I was pretty impressed that it worked.
22:03:09Flaviusbut now i have a frozen doom :(
22:03:15patrickvoxyou can adjust it
22:03:18patrickvoxlet me give u a link
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22:12:14Flaviusanyone can help me with a frozen domm on ipod 5.5g? how to "reset" it?
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22:13:47oboFlavius: flicking hold on and off again will bring up the menu in doom - if it's really frozen, you'll need to hold select+menu to reboot
22:15:23Flaviusthe controls don't respond. but ofter plugging in and out the ipod it started again. thanks!
22:15:36Flaviusany ideeas as to why doom freezes?
22:17:22preglowsweet, sweet lord
22:19:13Flaviusdamned, it's broken again!
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22:20:18t0dk01scheisse, I need help installing the bootloader on my brothers ipoD
22:21:03t0dk01./ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin
22:21:03t0dk01Generating firmware image compatible with iPod video
22:21:03t0dk01Cannot open loader image file bootloader-video.bin
22:21:42linuxstb_Download it.
22:22:01t0dk01download what, exactly?
22:22:20linuxstb_The loader image file bootloader-video.bin
22:22:31linuxstb_The link should be at the start of the install instructions.
22:22:36t0dk01ah alright
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22:23:43t0dk01ahh, thanks, thats what I had forgot
22:23:44t0dk01lol
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22:34:12t0dk01cool, got it to work
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22:42:35d0gmazi have an ipod nano v2 there is no rockbox port but is there an good opensource alternative wich does support the v2 nano?
22:42:49preglowno
22:43:00preglowif there were, you would have rockbox for nano v2 by now
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22:43:28d0gmazdamn
22:43:42d0gmazis it going to be ported?
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22:43:49rasherProbably
22:44:21rasherBut it might take a long time
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23:29:01*petur waves a magic wand and hopes the dB versus % mails go away
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23:30:19preglowgod, yes
23:30:25preglowhow is it possible to generate such an amount of mails over it
23:30:27jbaso i didn't know you could concatenate strings in c like this somefunction("string first part" "string second part")
23:30:54jbais that ansi, the specific version that the rockbox dev platform uses?
23:31:01Bagderansi it is
23:31:08Bagdereven pre-ansi iirc
23:31:17jbawow, you lorn something new every day. It was trhowing me off
23:31:27jbait's used mainly with macro's in rockbox, but still
23:32:09jbaBagder, (g before the d?) does it ony work with string literals?
23:32:23Bagderyeps, only strings
23:32:51jbaso not char arrays and such, thought so. would have to be a compile time thing
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23:35:27preglowanyone know what kind of aac files rockbox can currently play?
23:35:33preglowobviously, it can't play the ones i've got
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