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#rockbox log for 2006-11-24

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00:20:32pixelman1s: still awake?
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00:24:07n1spixelma yep just got back :-) slightly drunk too
00:24:47pixelmaoh... skl :)
00:25:27n1ssk?
00:25:59pixelmacheers...
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00:26:56pixelmado you know why there are sometimes more spaces than I want in the pdf-manual
00:27:23pixelmadoes it have to do with indentation or something?
00:28:05n1slatex thinks that it is fun to isert spaces sometimes, try using % at the end of lines before the unwanted space
00:28:47pixelmaah thanks... I'll try that
00:29:54n1sfor example see the beginning of system_options.tex (the battery cap. opts)
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00:31:24n1sbut it can be really tricky combining \opt, \nopt and god knows what into something that always produce the right whitespace...
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00:34:24pixelmasounds motivating... ;)
00:35:18preglowwould be cool if someone coded up something a bit... newer... than latex
00:35:32preglowalso something not quite so annoying to set up new fonts in
00:39:08pixelmammm.. now I have no space but now that I have a hint - I look at the existing code a bit more and try to find a way
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00:47:00TerinjokesSoap?
00:47:13n1sgnight all, gotta get up in 6 hours :-)
00:47:13Soapyes
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00:48:32*dan_a tries Doom on the Sansa
00:48:40TerinjokesSoap, those errors from yesterday, I can't get a good picture of them (my camera won't focus correctly on them, the camera are more for wider shots...) you want to try to snap them yourself?
00:49:37SoapI was just curious if the error screens changed enough that we would need to take into account the new messages for the manual/wiki.
00:50:29preglowdan_a: hah
00:50:39preglowdan_a: how's the nand driver shaping up?
00:52:00dan_apreglow: It seems to work. It reads and writes on my 2Gb model, I've had one reported problem from someone who had a FAT16 formatted device but he cleared that by reformatting
00:52:18TerinjokesSoap, the old 'sad ipod' is now an Xbox360-ish error. where it used to say 'http;//apple.com/support' it now says 'Use iTunes to restore' in 4 languages
00:52:35Terinjokesand they removed the 'sad ipod'
00:53:12Terinjokesthis seems to be new as of nano firmware 1.3 (though firmwares for other ipods probably got updated as well...)
00:57:36obolike this? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303915
00:57:56Terinjokesyes, yese
00:58:44Terinjokesthat page says 'iPod nano with iPod Software 1.2 or later' but i got the old 'sad ipod' with 1.2
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01:01:30amiconndan_a: You could enable FAT16 support for the sansa
01:02:26amiconnIt's as simple as adding #define HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT to config-e200.h
01:02:53amiconnShould probably also be enabled for the bootloader then
01:04:01dan_aAh. Then I shall do that - probably at the weekend, though, since I'd want to test that it works before committing, and I don't want to reformat my sansa right now.
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01:12:56preglowfat16 formatted device? why did he have that? :>
01:15:09amiconnfat16 is more efficient for the kind of data usually stored on a dap
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01:16:20dan_aI don't know if he'd formatted it himself or if it came like that from the factory
01:24:47Terinjokesi'm editing Macosx instructions
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01:34:01 Join blind [0] (n=blind@71.234.180.125)
01:34:27blindI'm checking the site, but I'm not seeing anything... can rockbox play movies on an iPod?
01:34:57Terinjokesyes, and no
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01:35:26blindheh.
01:35:27Terinjokesyou can play mpeg1 and mpeg2 elemtary streams, but no audio
01:36:03blindis that going to be added, or is it not a priority/
01:36:31Terinjokesdepends on the development of that plugin
01:36:40blindAlright.
01:36:43blindThanks for the information :]
01:36:58Terinjokesi'm sure many people want audio, but i personally want the code optimised first :)
01:37:14Terinjokesthat way i have the battery life to watch the videos :)
01:37:18blindhah
01:37:49Terinjokessoap, or someone else here. ipod_fw is the same program as make_fw (that ipl uses)?
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01:40:01shrimantsi have a portable charger for my ipod. when i plug it in using rockbox, it keeps rebooting, going to disk mode, then rebooting again. is there any way to fix this
01:40:20blindhold menu when it's rebooting.
01:40:28shrimantsso boot into appleOS/
01:40:29blindfrom what i've read..
01:40:29Terinjokesshrumants, hold 'menu' as you plug in the cable
01:40:33blindsomeone correct me if im wrong.
01:40:42shrimantsoh hold menu while plugging in cable
01:40:44shrimantsok
01:40:46Terinjokesblind, thats to reboot into OF
01:40:48shrimantswould that work with the computer?
01:40:51Terinjokesyes
01:40:55shrimantsneato
01:40:57shrimantsthanks
01:41:18shrimantsoh sweet
01:41:20shrimantsit wurks
01:41:22shrimantsthanks
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01:41:25Terinjokesexcept it will only charge, to copy music, you have to be in disk mode or OF
01:42:16blindRockbox has come a long way.
01:42:48blindi just got my friend to install it on his and took a look at it, i had it on the first iPod i had. it's nice.
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01:43:25shrimantssrry one more question
01:43:40shrimantsis it possible to turn it off after i put in the charging cable and put it into charging mode?
01:44:14shrimantswhoop guess not
01:44:30Terinjokesyeah, hold play and it reboots into disk mode
01:44:53Terinjokeson a charging cable, this probably wont work
01:45:47shrimantspoo
01:46:10Terinjokesjust leave it on the rockbox menu with the hold switch on
01:46:29shrimantsdoesnt it hurt the LCD to be stuck on a display for so long?
01:46:36shrimantslike stuck pixels and w/e
01:46:55Terinjokesno
01:46:58shrimantsyay
01:47:01shrimantsthnkx
01:47:05Terinjokesit's on anyways on OF during charging
01:47:13shrimantsoh right
01:47:16shrimantscool
01:47:19shrimantsthxn
01:47:20shrimantslater
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01:50:55Terinjokesi've updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX
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01:52:21Terinjokeshrm, i might make an installer for the ipod on MacOSX
01:52:34Terinjokesa simple shell script should be good enough?
01:53:09Terinjokesor are we talking about a full-flegde GUI here?
01:53:33TerinjokesSoap?
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01:56:10jbahey does TagCache have some mechanism for rating music?
01:56:30jbaI have heaps of music that i rate and playlists that are dunamically built off genre/ratings
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01:58:33Terinjokeshrm...IDK about that one
01:59:05jbanm found it in the wiki
01:59:22jbahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache: Ability to browse by track rating and access to ratings via the WPS (in fashion similar to the old tag database). It would also be great if Tag Cache could automatically add externally created ratings stored in the RATING and TRACK_RATING tag/comment fields. (Will be supported after 3.0 release when runtime db feature is integrated in Tag Cache
01:59:51Terinjokesi c
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02:00:06jbais version 3, refering to versoin of rockbox?
02:00:14Terinjokesprobably
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02:03:12Terinjokesrockbox is at version 2 (and on some ports 2.5)
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02:05:28*jba dreams of a j2me bootstrapped os for rockbox 4.0
02:06:36Terinjokeshuh?
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02:07:51jbaworking in c again, with pointers and mem management is painful
02:08:35JdGordonhmm.. java is pretty unrealistic...
02:08:40Genre9mp3rockbox 4.0 is going to be realeased in 2011 after a feature freeze that goinfg to last about 2 years! :P
02:08:51JdGordonhaha
02:09:26pixelmano... you can't estimate release dates...
02:10:12*JdGordon doesnt understand the point of releases when there is a new build every day
02:10:41Genre9mp3nobody will stick to a release anyway...
02:10:41JdGordonwith a month of dailies waiting incase the latest is broken
02:11:07TerinjokesjdGordon, SHHH!
02:11:32Genre9mp3but in the end... you have to... release something, don't you?
02:12:13JdGordonwhy?
02:12:29Genre9mp3and releases make sense for new ports (gettinf officially supported)
02:12:32amiconnThere are people who prefer to stick to releases
02:12:48Genre9mp3argh... my f is meesses with my g! :)
02:13:09amiconnEven if the release is outdated, and contains bugs which are fixed in the dailies
02:13:14jbawith a build tree 100 + MB who would keep a month of daily snaphsots of the source tree, and why?
02:13:19JdGordonGenre9mp3: thats just silly.. if its in cvs (doing daily builds) then its as officially supported as a release would b
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02:13:39Terinjokesnot really
02:13:40JdGordonjba: no, the binaries are kept.. the source snapshot can be got from cvs
02:13:50amiconnjba: 100+MB??
02:13:51Genre9mp3I remember someone in the forums that said he still uses 2.5... but he was the only one
02:14:06Terinjokeshrm, i got an error on building rockbox
02:14:22Terinjokesyou mean you use something newer then 2.5?
02:15:08jbaif you are like me, you want rockbox to make your mp3 player able to play music properly, then you don't want to be updating everyomnth
02:15:09*Terinjokes is using 0.001-alpha
02:15:39Terinjokesjba, i update once a week...in case someone ever fixes rockboy
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02:16:00Genre9mp3JdGordon: It's a work in progress... it's always a work in progress but at some point you have to release something "finished"
02:16:01jbaTerinjokes, why don't you have a crack at fixing rockboy?
02:16:11JdGordonI use whatever build was the last one i copied onto my h300 to test.. so usually im working witha broken one :p
02:16:18Terinjokesjba, i don't know what is wrong with it
02:16:19Genre9mp3JdGordon: Take it as checkpoints
02:16:22JdGordonGenre9mp3: why?
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02:17:00Genre9mp3JdGordon: Why not?
02:17:58amiconnjba: Even if you just want it to play music properly, updating regularly is often helpful in the current state of rockbox for swcodec targets
02:18:29JdGordonOSS is still capitalist in nature.. not communist... this mans that the work being done is for _me_ (not me me, but me the developer or any OSS project).. but the work is free for anyone if they want it.. but at the end of the day, _i'm_ makeing it for _me_ so there is n need for releases bcause _I_ always have the lates versio
02:18:30amiconnEven for the old targets there is the occasional bugfix, sometimes not only a small one.
02:18:40jbai know, actually for me, the gigabeat port isn't even done yet, so I'm tracking cvs. But I was just pointing out that not all rb users want to track a moving development target
02:19:06amiconn2.5 for the Ondio is buggy, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone any more
02:19:20Genre9mp3JdGordon: huh?
02:19:34JdGordonexactly!
02:19:38pixelmamaybe releases would motivate developers work more on fixing bugs to get rid of most of them (or the most important ones at least)...
02:20:12amiconnYeah, but the last feature freeze didn't work that well...
02:20:15Genre9mp3JdGordon: You can always use whatever you want, what's these capitalist in nature things you are talking about?
02:21:05JdGordoncapitalistic in that developers are selfish and doing it for themselves.. not communistic in that they are doig it for the greater good.. or for others...
02:21:05jbaGenre9mp3, he was saying that the main motivating factors behind working on rockbox (as a developer) are to get rockbox working for yourslef, not for everyone else
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02:21:29pixelmayes... I wanted to add something like this too
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02:21:46Terinjokeswhats wrong with rockboy on the nano?
02:22:05JdGordonnoone has fixed the drawing forthe lcd screen iirc
02:22:30TerinjokesJdGordon, hrm...i wish I new what that meant :)
02:23:12JdGordonTerinjokes: it means the code that draws the display needs to be fixed for the nanos screen size. and no one has doe that yet
02:23:28*Terinjokes looks
02:24:16*JdGordon wonders at what
02:24:22Terinjokeslcd.c
02:24:49Genre9mp3jba: I agree on that, but making a release doesn't mean that you do it for the users and only... you do it for the project in general
02:24:56JdGordonapps/plugins/rockboy/ somehwere there..
02:24:59JdGordon i dunno
02:25:19TerinjokesJdGordon, i got the code in front of me, trying to find what the problem is
02:25:47jbaGenre9mp3, i'm with you on that one, but i think JdGordon is intimating that most of the devs on rockobx don't do it for the "project in general" first. They do it for themselvs first, which ocasionaly just so happens to benefit the "project in genera;"
02:25:58Terinjokesi wish there were more comments...but w/e
02:26:13JdGordonTerinjokes: i dunnno, thast might no even be the problem anymore...
02:26:28Terinjokesanything on the wiki?
02:26:46JdGordonjba: im not saying anythin about anyone else.. not even me.. im just being an arse :D
02:27:04jbaJdGordon, well at least you spelt it arse and not ass
02:27:22jbaAus or UK>?
02:27:26JdGordonaus
02:27:42Terinjokesaus
02:28:12jbaaah, lost of aussies around these days
02:28:15*jba too
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02:30:02Terinjokeshehe, i'm editor over on en.wikinews, we've had a sudden inflood of aussies/kiwis lately, there's more news about aucklands' new rugby stadium then US policalics
02:31:03jbapolicalics?
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02:33:08Terinjokesyes politics+alcoholics
02:33:21*Terinjokes laughs at his spelling error
02:35:29Terinjokeshrm, can't find anything on rockboy in the wiki or forums about the error
02:35:44jbais there a rockbox bugzilla or trac or something?
02:35:56Terinjokeschecking trac
02:36:02Terinjokesflyspray*
02:36:14jbahuh?
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02:43:52Terinjokeshrm, flyspray isn't sending me my new user email
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03:01:07RoC_MM are you sure you received it?
03:01:26Terinjokesno, i haven't
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04:47:16PaulPositiondunno if anyone's awake, maybe someone could help.. " rb->set_option() ", what file should I read to find out what exactly it wants as arguments? I went through plugin.c & .h and menu.c & .h but saw nothing like it.. Admittedly I don't know much about C and pointers and am a bit puzzled as this all look like OOP in what I understand is a procedural lang..
04:47:43PaulPositionso maybe I 'saw' it but didn't know it.
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04:53:48jbano reason why you can't doo OOP in procedural languages
04:53:59jbarb is a struct with some void pointers in it most likely
04:54:07jbai believe rb is the rock box API pointer
04:54:14jbaread the plugin tutorial
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05:05:49PaulPositionOk... If that 'set_option()' expects an array of type variable as a second arguments (void* variable), it will always give me a warning at compile time (ex. ..passing argument 2 of 'rb->set_option makes pointer from integer without a cast') no matter what it's fed, right? Or does the error happens much deeper (in some included function or I dunno..)?
05:06:20PaulPositionFeel no obligation to answer, I'm just trying to install some stupid chopper game.
05:06:50PaulPosition(was gonna add 'for a friend'.. :p then honesty got the better of me.)
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05:16:29zedoesn't a void* make the variable type-agnostic?
05:19:38PaulPositionAs if I knew...
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05:22:04PaulPositionI thought 'variable' was type agnostic anyway and that uhh.. right, I understood (and still understand) nothing. :p Too bad. I won't die of choppergame withdrawal anyway.
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05:24:48zevoid is the type
05:24:50ze* implies a pointer
05:24:56ze'variable' is the name of the variable
05:25:13PaulPositionoh.
05:25:38zedr who time, bbl :p
05:26:04PaulPositionIs that rockbox standard to label a string 'string', an integer 'integer' etc.?
05:26:07PaulPositionthanks anyway :)
05:26:14zeno idea
05:26:14zeheh
05:26:29*PaulPosition needs to find a more recent book on 'C'
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05:30:13zehmm
05:30:21zei don't think C's really changed much in oh i dunno 20 or 30 years :p
05:30:52zei mean maybe in some aspects or something but ya know aside from C++, nothing major afaik
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05:31:41Soapthe language hasn't changed much, but standards and pratices have.
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07:48:53scorcheBagder: there?
07:49:06scorcheerm...nvm
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08:39:46JdGordonjhMikeS: does your firmware/SOURCES commit fix the length problem with the bootloader?
08:40:18jhMikeSJdGordon: I'm hoping it helps cause as I understand it unused symbols are still included if compiled.
08:40:29jhMikeSI don't want to add to the problem :)
08:40:33JdGordon:)
08:41:36jhMikeSevery time I'm trying to check out a new CVS tree I get an error on ter-u14n.bdf: No sure file or director and it aborts
08:41:51jhMikeSs/sure/such
08:43:23JdGordondamn... it didnt fix the problem
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08:43:54jhMikeSJdGordon: what's that? so it's not just me?
08:44:00JdGordonno
08:44:23JdGordonit wll all be sorted when a new bootloader needs doing, so no big dea really...
08:44:28JdGordongtg
08:45:19jhMikeSbye
08:58:14amiconnjhMikeS: If bootloader code uses no single function from a certain object, it doesn't matter for the final result whether this object gets compiled or not
08:58:27amiconnThe linker won't link the .o file in
08:59:01amiconnIt just wastes compile time to compile it
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09:02:01webguest20From CVS log: "UDA1380 records with WSPLL as a result." What does this mean for me as user? Is this a new feature?
09:02:36jhMikeSamiconn: I was wondering if it did that or not. makes sense.
09:03:11jhMikeSwebguest20: just me messing around with the setup of the chip. shouldn't make any different on the user end
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09:03:55*jhMikeS is just trying to trim things down a bit
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09:05:31jhMikeSamiconn: what about having unneeded headers included? I take it that wastes compile time too?
09:06:25*jhMikeS doesn't know if gcc has any intelligent behavior re: opening #included files
09:06:33amiconnyes
09:06:57amiconnIt's especially bad on cygwin, as it increases the number of file open operations
09:07:53petur14 minutes <−−> 15 minutes.... would it matter? ;)
09:08:11jhMikeSamiconn: there's lots of files with unneeded #include's
09:09:10jhMikeSit seems often the includes from another file just get copied to something new and never trimmed
09:09:31webguest20jhMikeS: so you've just split some code into platform specific files? So that there is less #ifdef-magic? That's good!
09:11:42jhMikeSwebguest20: yes, helped to remove an akward function call and helped me spot a mistake too
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09:16:46*jhMikeS is hoping to add AIFF recording today
09:20:11webguest20jhMikeS: waht is the difference between WAV and AIFF? AIFF is just a container IIRC.
09:21:39jhMikeSwebguest20: It's a better format match for big-endian machines whereas WAV is little-endian
09:23:16jhMikeSshould be very straight forward from what I see about it
09:24:16amiconnHehe, on archos there will be no difference in handling wav and aiff :)
09:24:46amiconnThe pcm codec for the mas can switch endianess
09:25:38jhMikeShow convenient :)
09:25:53webguest20jhMikeS: but the data volume is the same? (if the frequency etc are the same?)
09:26:46linuxstb_Yes.
09:26:47jhMikeSit's open to any PCM stuff as WAV which is basically any depth or frequency
09:28:43webguest20So is it possible to put a WAV file into AIFF container?
09:29:12jhMikeSwebguest20: no, I don't believe so
09:31:06webguest20jhMikeS: I asked just out of curiousity.
09:31:55jhMikeSit there already something in the libs for converting 80-bit IEEE floating points to longs? the sample rate is floating point
09:33:00LinusNi believe you can read it as a double and cast it
09:33:18LinusNi don't think you need a math lib for that
09:33:48jhMikeSsounds good. I guess that any handling would have to be in the decoder anyway =)
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09:51:42Slasherihmm, i don't recommend anyone compiling bootloader from cvs at the moment. it seems to have some serious issues with h1xx at least
09:52:43Slasherisomehow adc reading no longer works either in bootloader or rockbox.. lets hope remote still works when i get home :)
09:52:53LinusNi never recommend anyone to build the bootloader from cvs
09:53:30Slasheriyep, true. but developers may need sometimes to
09:55:34Slasherinow i can only access rockbox disk mode, load rockbox from flash and play songs with rockbox but can't navigate to flash a working bootloader.. argh. i should have added another safety feature to the bootloader before trying
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09:57:19peturouch
09:57:32jhMikeSwhen did that creep up? I haven't noticed any trouble using the device. is it only when starting with a CVS bootloader?
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09:58:01Slasheriyep, i don't know yet why
09:58:53Slasherii had a little modification in it, but included a way to override it by plugging in the usb cable.. that works fine but adc no longer works, weird
09:59:35Slasheribut i hope remote still works, it should :)
09:59:43LinusNwhy would it?
09:59:47LinusNit's also adc
09:59:55Slasherioh, it uses the same adc? :/
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10:00:18Slasherihmm, then that is more complicated issue :)
10:00:19LinusNyes
10:01:12LinusNif you are truly lost, i could reflash it with the bdm
10:01:50Slasherihehe, nice :) hmm, probably i could try to attach a logic analyzer to the adc first to see what is wrong with it
10:03:27Slasherii don't understand how bootloader could mess it up so badly it no longer works even in rockbox
10:03:45Slasherino backlight cames on or anything, however other buttons such as hold and play works normally
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10:07:03Slasheriah, there is still one thing to do! i can short the eeprom chip
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10:07:23Slasherithat should force bootloader to the disk mode and boot from disk
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10:08:50Slasherior argh, that would not help either.. default setting is to boot from flash and that gets set..
10:09:56SlasheriLinusN: could you verify if the cvs version of the bootloader is really broken?
10:10:27LinusNnot now
10:10:49Slasheriok, but if you have some time later it would be nice to know
10:10:59LinusNi'll try
10:11:02Slasherithanks :)
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10:15:32XelHahi all. I have an ipod (5.5g, 30G) with RB on it that dosn't respund to any commandy (key pressed) any longer. it keeps on playing the files in the current dir but that's all. how to restart it?
10:16:39peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot#Recovering_from_a_crash
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10:17:34jhMikeSIs it possible to reset the ADC without it rebooting or anything? (naive question)
10:18:50LinusNunfortunately not
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10:28:36blindI didn't think of this before installing rockbox and deleting my iPod_Control folder... I have an iJet - wireless remote controller for the iPod.. that's not going to work in rockbox, is it?
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10:31:49Soapno
10:31:57blindDamn!
10:32:53blindAnother question: I have my songs organized Artist/Album/tracks - is there a way to play the "Artist" folder, so i play everything by that artist, rather than just one album at a time?
10:32:58jhMikeSif desperate i'd probably remap the needed button codes to buttons that dont require the ADC so I could flash it
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10:34:48markunblind: yes, you need to enable the 'recursive' option in the playlist options
10:34:54blindthanks :D
10:35:23markunAnd then insert the artist folder
10:35:52jhMikeSor better yet, just automate it so it reflashes as the next boot at a single keypress when ready
10:35:59blindinsert it where? :\
10:37:36markunblind: hold you 'select' button while the cursor is on the artist folder
10:37:46markuns/you/your/
10:38:07blindah, thank you
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10:41:39blindhow do you get out of picture view?
10:42:50markunblind: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
10:48:04blindI had an issue with rockbox the first time i used it, a while ago. it would power off according to the idle settings, even if it was playing a song. it doesn't do that now, does it?
10:49:12amiconnSlasheri: Doesn't the crash cookie help you in this case?
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10:49:55LinusNi guess he hasn't adapted the crash cookie handling
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11:01:40Slasheriamiconn: nope, because i don't have the original fw in flash so bootloader is needed.. next time i will at least flash original fw back before trying new bootloaders so the crash cookie would help
11:02:53amiconnHmm, but the crash cookie should try to load the alternative firmware if the primary doesn't load, shouldn't it?
11:05:01Slasheriwhen it's enabled, yes. But currently it's not smart enough to load rockbox from flash
11:05:09Slasherii should really fix that..
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11:05:28Slasherijust little assembly needed to the crt0
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11:07:26amiconnThe official bootloader defaults to disk firmware, and falls back to flash if it crashes
11:07:26Slasherianother way than bdm to unbrick player would be to unsolder the tiny eeprom chip and change its settings to boot from disk
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11:07:37Slasherior can rockbox automatically execute plugins at startup?
11:07:41amiconnThe rb-in-flash bootloader should do the opposite
11:07:56amiconnSlasheri: It can, if it's enabled at build time
11:08:05*jhMikeS know he had some dumb suggestions. just tell him when he does :P
11:08:07Slasheriso it's not enabled by default.. :/
11:08:50Slasheriwell, i will still check the adc datasheet if there is a way to reset it somehow
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11:08:57amiconnYou need to define AUTOROCK at build time
11:09:18amiconnThen rockbox tries to load and run /.rockbox/rocks/autostart.rock
11:09:35jhMikeSSlasheri: also setting it up to flash automatically at boot, don't know if that would work or not. it's done with a plugin right?
11:09:40rasheramiconn: Any reason why that wouldn't be enabled by default?
11:09:52amiconnYes. Boot time and code size
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11:10:20jhMikeSflash a known good copy of course
11:11:13SlasherijhMikeS: yes, but now the problem is that i can't execute anything from disk.. rockbox usb mode still works great
11:11:21Slasheriand i can play and pause audio :D
11:11:25Slasherinothing less or more ;)
11:11:43Slasherii think now i have a really easy-to-use interface =)
11:12:07jhMikeSah, guess that wont go over then
11:12:40amiconnSlasheri: Hmm, you could try a special trick:
11:13:01jhMikeSwait, how can you play/pause audio if the disk is inaccessible?
11:13:19amiconnThe disk is accessible. Buttons are not, except Play and Stop
11:13:52amiconnAs it seems you have an active playlist, Play will resume. If you know what format the resumed track is, you can replace the .codec with a stub that tries to RoLo the disk firmware
11:14:01jhMikeSthen you just have it run the plugin when it starts and flash it when you push play :\ the mod should be easy
11:14:19amiconnjhMikeS: The question is what to do *now*
11:14:40Slasheriamiconn: ah! interesting!
11:14:51Slasheriamiconn: that would work indeed, a great idea :)
11:14:53jhMikeSah, was thinking he just wanted his player back running for starters
11:15:13Slasherithen i could reflash from codec
11:15:18amiconnHmm, RoLo isn't exported through the api.... guess you will have to implement a "RoLo codec"
11:15:19Slasherior rewrite the eeprom
11:15:45amiconnYes, rewriting the eeprom should also be possible
11:15:54amiconnJust bang the hardware for this rescue case
11:16:12Slasherinice :)
11:16:45Slasherii will try to reprogram the eeprom and then find out what is wrong with the adc
11:17:33jhMikeSdoing it from codec sounds like a hard way to do basically the same thing
11:18:26Slasheriit should be fairly easy to do.. just copying the code from the eeprom driver there and using it
11:18:49LinusNjhMikeS: how is he supposed to be able to run a plugin?
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11:20:46jhMikeShave it just run the plugin automatically without keypresses
11:21:09LinusNand how would you accomplish that?
11:21:28LinusNremember, rockbox is in flash memory
11:21:38jhMikeSright after boot, call plugin_load instead of entering the tree or something
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11:21:54amiconnjhMikeS: He cannot replace rockbox atm
11:21:55LinusNbut he can't update rockbox, that's the problem
11:22:26rasherI vote that Slasheri should run AUTOROCK builds from now on (oh and fix the bootloader)
11:22:35jhMikeSLinusN: See, that's what I'm not in on here. :P This is an iRiver right? And he can get a disk copy to load?
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11:23:08jhMikeSs/can/can't
11:23:12Slasherirasher: hehe, yes. I will add more safety check to the bootloader as soon as i get this fixed.. fortunately there are the codec plugins :)
11:23:21*Bagder quietly smacks Qt for being annoying
11:23:45Slasheriand codecs are loaded from disk
11:24:41jhMikeSI thought you could force rb to load from disk and not run from flash, that's all.
11:24:50Slasheriit's interesting that adc seems to give constant "one" values.. for example battery shows 100% charged but it's not
11:25:04SlasherijhMikeS: yes, i can after i reprogram the eeprom
11:25:15Slasherithen it's easy to reflash the bootloader
11:25:26amiconnjhMikeS: Yes, you can, but not when the bootloader can't read the Rec button because ADC isn't working
11:26:28jhMikeSamiconn: that's true. if it didn't use an ADC button to do that then it would still work I guess.
11:32:19LinusNso, we should perhaps extend the crash cookie handling for the flash loader
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11:33:31SlasheriLinusN: true, absolutely.. probably i will try to do that next
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11:33:50LinusNamiconn: i like your codec idea - really clever
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11:41:57jhMikeSgiven all the variables it's the only code path that can be loaded from hd
11:46:20Slasherioh, my recovery codec worked and now i can boot from disk! thanks amiconn :)
11:46:27Slasheri| eeprom_settings_init();
11:46:27Slasheri| firmware_settings.boot_disk = true;
11:46:27Slasheri| eeprom_settings_store();
11:46:35Slasherithat did it in mpa.c =)
11:46:42Slasheriwith all code copied from eeprom driver
11:47:54Slasheriadc still doesn't work (that was expected), but now i can easily reflash and debug
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11:58:27LinusNSlasheri: i suspect a port pin issue
11:59:21SlasheriLinusN: hmm, something like the adc gpio incorrectly initialized?
11:59:29LinusNyup
11:59:34LinusNjust a guess
11:59:45LinusNor not initialized at all
11:59:55Slasheritrue, i will check that too
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12:01:52LinusNlooks like the adc port pins aren't intialized at all...
12:02:27LinusNfirmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h100/adc-h100.c
12:03:04Slasherioh
12:03:19Slasherithat would explain it
12:03:45Slasherido you remember how to initialize them correctly so i could try right away?
12:04:31LinusNmr jonathan gordon didn't see the difference between #ifdef and #ifndef when he moved the code to the target tree :-)
12:04:51Slasherihehe :D
12:04:58LinusNhang on, will commit in a sec
12:05:01Slasherithanks
12:06:58LinusNcommitted
12:07:40Slasheriok, trying now
12:09:42Slasheriah, now my iriver works again, great!
12:09:53LinusNphew, that was a close call :-)
12:10:05Slasheri:)
12:10:12LinusNa near-bricking experience ;-)
12:10:24Slasherihehe =)
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12:14:27markunLinusN: I thought he would have had to send his iriver to you a long time ago..
12:14:44preglowhaha
12:15:04markunSlasheri: you are crazy :)
12:15:05preglowit's miracle it hasn't been bricked yet, indeed
12:15:25XavierGrThe right nickname for him is "Flasheri"
12:15:38XavierGrand indeed it is a miracle
12:15:52XavierGrI admire your courage Slasheri :P
12:16:49markunI would like to have a rockbox bootloader in the flash of my Gigabeat, but I don't think I will go near it without a JTAG cable.
12:17:51vxI still dont manage to configure a dev toolkit to make latest sansa firmware.
12:18:06vxWich linux would be the best to do so ?
12:21:08markunvx: it doesn't really matter. Did you run tools/rockboxdev.sh?
12:22:34Bagderany linux will do
12:37:00daurnimatorhi all
12:37:04markunhi daurnimator
12:37:10daurnimatorsup
12:37:57markunword?
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12:39:37*amiconn thinks that JdGordon basically does nice work, but doesn't test enough
12:39:46amiconnOr let test, in that case
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12:47:42amiconnSlasheri: You were lucky that there was an active playlist...
12:47:50*jhMikeS is going to just not test things any more...too time consuming
12:48:16vxmarkun: yes, i did it. I tried to add the path even if im not sure for the way to do so
12:48:57markunvx: so only the PATH variable is the problem? The cross compiler is installed?
12:49:35vxmarkun : it still say error while i "make" in ")"
12:49:48vxmarkun: cross compiler installed
12:50:14markunAh, I had the same problem yesterday :)
12:50:20markunTry "make clean" in tools
12:50:24vxim gonna suicide my sansa
12:51:08vxmarkun: ok but will be able to test tonight thanks for your help
12:52:13markunok
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12:54:31leftrightSlasheri: Hi, I'm thinking of flashing my h140, should I wait ?
12:54:38vxis there an other way to make clean (as superclean)
12:54:49vxmake ultraclean ?
12:55:06vxmake supraclean ?
12:55:30Bagdermake veryclean
12:55:45jhMikeSin lang files, if there is no match for the build in the : "string" part, will the string not be included in the target?
12:55:46Bagderor just
12:55:53Bagdermake toolsclean to clean the tools
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12:57:57vxthanks mr B
12:58:31tychverwhat does make mrproper do in that context?
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13:02:24tychverdumb question, erases .config files when compiling a kernel, damn that's dredging up some memories before I started using genkernel
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13:14:52LinusNamiconn: the adc issue was hard to test
13:15:37LinusNamiconn: not without installing a new bootloader
13:17:27LinusNthe missing port pin initialization wasn't a problem until you updated the bootloader
13:17:51webguest20LinusN: how was this error visible to an end user?
13:18:01LinusNit wasn't
13:18:16LinusNsince the bootloader does the adc init too
13:19:19webguest20LinusN: then it wasn't an error. Or it was a phantom error. Like sqrt(2). Is it a number if you can't write it down (as a number)? :-)
13:20:15LinusNwell it was an error, since the bootloader uses the same adc code as the application
13:20:51webguest20It wasn't an error but it became one after it became visible :-)
13:21:21webguest20And I don't even know what ADC is!
13:21:37webguest20I discuss at the meta level
13:28:12amiconnLinusN: I wonder what the h1x0 adc init did on the h300
13:28:17LinusNme too
13:28:33amiconnI didn't observe strange behaviour
13:30:37Slasherileftright: it should be safe as long as you use the "old" version of the flash bootloader provided in the wiki
13:30:53leftrightah, thanks
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13:38:55LinusNamiconn: the adc pins were all connected to the ISP1362 on the h300 :-)
13:42:36SlasheriLinusN: i was thinking to simplify the bootloader a bit: before even kernel is initialized and usb cable is not plugged and hold button is not used and previous shutdown was clean: load rockbox from flash if preferred. otherwise, always load from disk and use rec button only to load the original fw if present
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13:42:59Slasheriwhat would you think about that?
13:43:29LinusNto speed up the loadin?
13:43:54Slasheriyes, and make the core more fault tolerant
13:44:04Slasherifor example plugging in usb cable, would always override booting from flash
13:44:10Slasheri*code
13:44:50Slasheriand if rockbox previously has crashed (firmware_settings.disk_clean flag not set), we would load from disk also
13:46:00Slasheriand i also planned writing the reset cookie loader to the crt0 too, but that will take more time to do
13:48:29Slasherior what about this: if loading previously from disk has failed, load from flash and vice versa? i am not really sure which would be the best way to do :)
13:48:37LinusNyou mean that plugging the usb cable makes it boot from disk?
13:49:01Slasheriit would activate first the bootloader usb mode, and then always boot from disk
13:49:09LinusNok, i get it
13:49:13Slasheri:)
13:49:17LinusNsounds reasonable
13:49:24LinusNnah, maybe not
13:49:29Slasherihehe
13:49:44LinusNwould be a pita for those who only run from flash
13:49:57Slasheriyep, that's true
13:50:21Slasheriand if disk driver would be buggy for any reason, then booting would always fail..
13:50:42Slasherimaybe there should be a way to force booting (either automatically or manually) from both flash and disk?
13:52:01leftrightthe new usb icon is very nice
13:52:08Slasheriindeed :)
13:53:11Slasherihmm, and maybe bootloader should support booting true rom images from flash also.. currently we use only ram images
13:55:33Slasheriwith rom images reset cookie would work nice
13:56:53Slasherimaybe it would be best to allow putting both rom and ram images to the flash in different sections
13:57:15Slasheriand bootloader could have some menu activated using some button to select the boot type
13:57:35Slasherithen rom image would be always used if bootloader completely fails
13:59:22Slasherirom images are harder to update because a separately linked binary is required, but boot time should be even a bit faster
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14:00:24amiconnWe already have the dual-link capability in the Makefile
14:00:41amiconnrockbox.bin and rombox.bin, for archos
14:01:21Slasheritrue, should we enable it for iriver also?
14:05:38amiconnGuess so. We'll need to extend rom.lds for coldfire then
14:06:47Slasheriyep, i already had it working long time ago..
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14:14:56rasher2243 rockbox users on the map!
14:17:48amiconnSlasheri: If rockbox doesn't work correctly from ROM, the memory guard debug feature should help in debugging it
14:18:55Slasheriamiconn: nice, it has been a long time since the last try.. we will see :)
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14:32:25LinusNwon't it run slower from rom?
14:33:20daurnimatorwhat do you guys use for ripping cds?
14:34:52rasherabcde
14:35:12rasher(a wrapper around cdparanoia and oggenc)
14:35:35Bagdergrip!
14:35:52Bagder(also a wrapper for cdparanoia and whatever encoder you like)
14:36:08daurnimatoractually looking for something windows today
14:36:18Bagderwhat's that?
14:36:21*Bagder runs
14:36:32dwihno_daurnimator: I'd recommend EAC (exact audio copy)
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14:37:05daurnimatordwihno: its fast?
14:37:07rasherI'd recommend CDex
14:37:51dwihnodaurnimator: well, depends on how you extract... I sacrifice speed for more secure ripping.
14:37:53daurnimatorCDex is slow as hell
14:38:44dwihnoI already ripped all my discs, so I only have to rip new ones, so 15-20 minutes per disc is acceptable by my means.
14:39:43daurnimator20mins!!!
14:39:52daurnimatori used to use dmc
14:39:57daurnimatortakes max 3 mins a disk
14:40:41crwll...and you're screwed if there's a single scratch in a disc
14:40:47crwlland occasionally even if there isn't
14:40:50dwihnoyeah
14:41:50*dwihno recalls a discussion on the Xing encoder back in the 90's on how fast my friend thought it was... Only speed mattered to him.
14:45:31jbawhat's the ready_state call for in init_talk?
14:45:40jbasorry reset_state()
14:49:05daurnimatordwihno: but accurip makes sure you have no errors
14:49:17daurnimator - if accurip complains, you use a more secure setting
14:51:23dwihnodaurnimator: personally, I don't like to depend on an external source...
14:51:37dwihnowhat if a disc ain't stored in the accurip database?
14:52:00daurnimatorthen you make a decision
14:52:13daurnimatorbut - thats rare to happen anyway
14:55:40pixelmaif your drive can detect c2 errors you can rip a cd pretty fast even in EAC's secure mode (if the disc doesn't have many scratches)
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15:05:02Soaphow are submissions to the accurip database vetted?
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15:27:04[g2]daurnimator I've used Sound Juicer to extract to FLAC
15:27:57[g2]I've got nearly all my CDs extracted to FLAC and I've got the gigE network setup with a NFS ro mount for streaming
15:31:58patrickvoxsounds good, can i download too ?:-)
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15:46:27[g2]patrickvox sorry, it's personal use only.
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15:48:08dwihno[g2]: flac is gooood... wavpack saves avg. 400KB compared to max flac, but then again, it needs more cpu power to decode on rockbox, for instance
15:48:57[g2]dwihno I'd like to try the FLACs on my sansa or ipod via Rockbox
15:51:23*[g2] wonders if it would be possible to reconstruct an iso from the FLAC plus a little extra data like track numbers, spacing, serial numbers..
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15:55:37dwihno[g2]: I tried it on rockbox, worked like a charm. wavpack also worked flawlessly, but had a ~60-70% CPU boost rate
15:55:59dwihno[g2]: on a ipod g5
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15:59:32[g2]dwihno no I've got nano v1
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16:00:26[g2]dwihno clearly cpu utilization (which effects battery life) is important
16:00:45dwihno[g2]: apparently
16:00:46dwihno:)
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16:04:30[g2]dwihno "Trust, but verify" :)
16:05:16ricky715hi does anyone know where i can get the source code for the rvf player for archnos so i can try to see if it is possible to port it to rcokbox for the ipod nano
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16:07:06dwihnoricky715: the thing about the rfv format is, that it sends raw lcd data for the recorder display
16:07:16amiconnricky715: It's part of cvs... but for the nano, rvf doesn't make much sense imho
16:07:33amiconnIt does make sense for the greyscale ipods, h1x0 and iFP
16:08:02ricky715? dwihno please explain
16:08:41dwihnoricky715: it's not a video codec per se...
16:08:51ricky715oh...
16:09:19ricky715still i would like to see where the code is located i couln't find it in the cvs
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16:10:20ricky715thanks
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16:14:16amiconnrvf is either just raw monochrome lcd bitmap data, or the former blockwise interleaved with bitswapped mpeg audio data (mp2 or mp3)
16:14:35amiconnFor swcodec targets, the latter should be non-interleaved of course
16:14:48amiconnErm, non-bitswapped
16:26:19GnelikDid someone make dualboot on sassa exept of dan_a
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16:55:03Joelyhey everyone, my soldering kinda got messed up when trying to connect the jtag ports on my Sansa to the cable...so now my Sansa still works, it's just the jtag connector probably wouldn't work if i tried again ><. i was wondering if anyone here had by chance an extra sansa e200 with the jtag headers already soldered, so i could send them my sansa and money and get a jtag connected one back....
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17:24:15Joelyaww just like me.....hands shake?
17:24:28Bagder;-)
17:24:35*Bagder shakes hands
17:24:40Joelyhaha
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17:34:05[j]hi everyone
17:34:29[j]i got a new ipod video lately (80gigs) .. is there an easy way to tell what generation level it is? or is 80gig = 5.5, and i can't use rockbox on it yet?
17:34:39Bagder80gb is 5.5
17:34:44[j]ok
17:34:47[j]so no rockbox for me.
17:34:54Bagdercorrect, not yet at least
17:34:59[j]darn.
17:35:09[j]ipodlinux, tho?
17:35:15BagderI doubt that
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17:37:22[j]so the 80gig ipods are a tough nut to crack eh? i thought they'd be done by now ..
17:38:57Genre9mp3Does anyone know the power consumption of an iriver LCD remote? (I guess both H100/H300 LCD should have the same) Has anyone already measured that? (mostly curious)
17:40:41amiconnThe only significant power consumer in the iriver remotes is the backlight
17:41:00amiconnI don't know whether anyone measured that yet. The LCD and buttons are neglectible
17:41:34Genre9mp3amiconn: It needs 3V to operate, right?
17:42:44Genre9mp3If so, do you believe a CR button cell could provide sufficient power to it?
17:48:10Genre9mp3like this I mean: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Battery-lithium-cr2032.jpg
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18:01:14Sequellhey
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18:02:00Sequelli just installed rockbox on my 4g greyscale ipod, it worked fine for a while, then halfway through a song it says "Data abort at 00041D08" and I can't even get it to reboot
18:02:54n1shold down menu+select
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18:03:18Sequelltried it, nothing happens
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18:04:15Sequellit happened earlier and I could reboot out of it, but this time it's stuck
18:05:38n1shold isn't on is it?
18:05:47Sequell...
18:05:57Sequellhow embarassing
18:06:00Sequellthanks -_-'
18:06:34Sequellany idea what this particular error has appeared twice, though? it was two seperate songs, both pretty standard VBR MP3s that have played on my iPod before.
18:07:48Soap4G ipods are more crash prone than other targets. There is a patch to prevent (most) of the crashes by disabling the frequency scaling (dynaminc changing of CPU frequency) this does solve most the problems, but eats more battery.
18:07:54PaulPositionWhen is your build from?
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18:08:57PaulPositionLike, a week ago, there was a problem that's been corrected with songs that had APE tags in them.. (mp3gain for windoze could put ape tags, for example..)
18:09:11SequellI'm uncertain, is there a version number somewhere?
18:09:17Soapor Foobar 0.8.3 in default config.
18:09:37SequellIt's CVS 061124.
18:09:42telliott_I have a V1 recorder. How can I tell if it's actually getting power when the charger is plugged in?
18:09:50SequellI just downloaded it 3 hours ago, and I selected the Latest zip/rar
18:09:56PaulPositionShould be allright with apes then.. hmm.
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18:13:56Sequellhm, my song just stopped and rockbox froze without giving an error, certainly seems crash prone
18:14:06Ribswhat hardware?
18:14:15Sequellipod 4g
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18:16:11Soapare you up to compiling in a patch, a really small patch, Sequell?
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18:17:14Sequellerm, i don't really know what that is
18:18:32SoapSequell: read this whole thread
18:18:33Soaphttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0
18:18:46Soaprealize that there is no support for these builds outside said thread.
18:19:02Soapand give it a shot - see if it stops your crashes.
18:19:50Sequellhm, thanks. how much more battery does it eat?
18:22:53SoapI have seen no numbers.
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19:00:37HCl /msg nickserv identify blabla
19:00:40HCldoh
19:00:41HClXD
19:00:45*HCl changes password>>
19:01:00spugsmart
19:01:02spug;D
19:01:05HCl ;p
19:01:16bluebrothernice password ;-)
19:01:21HCl :)
19:01:28HClit's exactly because of that, really.
19:01:41HClI have secure random 8-13 character passwords for important stuff.
19:01:50HClI use a simple password for unimportant stuff.
19:02:38HClI should update rockbox
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19:07:06GnelikHi Dan
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19:17:51Gnelikdan_a hi do you need any help
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19:36:21Slasheriamiconn: hehe, promising. Now make automatically builds rombox.iriver also :)
19:38:53*amiconn tries Microsoft SFU (aka Interix) one more time as a build environment
19:39:24rasherI keep inserting a T into that acronym.
19:39:28rasherWishful thinking, I guess.
19:39:37amiconn?
19:39:39n1s:-)
19:39:42rasherSTFU
19:39:56*amiconn googles
19:40:00Slasherihehe
19:40:07amiconnaha
19:40:15amiconnStrange association...
19:42:01PaulPositionYou're wrong anyway, Microsoft's STFU interface is used mostly in technical support.
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19:43:54*Genre9mp3 just raised his first feature request! :)
19:44:08*Genre9mp3 points to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6381
19:47:41blue_lizardsorry but the idea of typing anything into rockbox makes me shiver
19:48:15blue_lizardprobably thats why i allways have 2 or three folders called aaa aa or such
19:48:46blue_lizardbut why not, maybe some people will use it
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19:49:12Genre9mp3blue_lizard: did you saw the attached gif?
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19:49:54blue_lizardyes
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19:51:17Genre9mp3it's more of "arcade" style of typing, but anyway
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19:51:36amiconnIn the same time could type those seach letters, I would have scrolled through the whole list by traditional means...
19:51:50oboeven on a 5g? ;)
19:52:03amiconnProbably, with paged scrolling
19:52:08amiconnDon't have a 5g
19:52:43Genre9mp3amiconn: I think it would help a lot if used for only the first letter
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19:53:42amiconnEven scrolling through the all-tracks list in tagcache doesn't take overly long...
19:54:00pixelmaI guess it depends on how long your list is and how one organises his files
19:54:08pixelma(or her)
19:54:33amiconnall-tracks contains all tracks
19:54:40blue_lizardand how big the harddrive is
19:54:44amiconnSo there are several thousand lines
19:55:16Genre9mp3amiconn: So why wouldn't this help on a list of 3000 songs?
19:57:59blue_lizardGenre9mp3: feel free to implement it
19:58:17Genre9mp3blue_lizard: sure!
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20:00:03blue_lizardof course it is a log more work than simply filing an request
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20:01:35Genre9mp3I'm aware of that
20:02:24Genre9mp3I just gave an idea I had that someone may find interesting
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20:08:24pixelmabluebrother: I have two questions about the radio chapter in the manual...
20:09:37pixelma...first: are you going to write something about the region settings?
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20:11:44pixelmabluebrother: second: currently there is only one manual for the Archos FM- and V2-Recorder but there are only some V2-Recorders that actually have a radio - so would it be enough to leave a note?
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20:17:40dan_aGnelik: Hi - sorry, I was on the phone. There are two things that are on my list of things to look at - you could try either, if you want
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20:27:37bluebrotherpixelma, just returned
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20:29:10bluebrotherI intended to write something about the region setting but I haven't found the time yet. Got pretty busy lately :(
20:29:32Terinjokesanyone here know an easier way to search the mailing lists?
20:29:53bluebrothergoogle?
20:31:05bluebrotherfor the Archos issue I think it's sufficient to simply add a note. The chance of causing confusion is pretty low
20:32:10rasherTerinjokes: google with site:rockbox.org inurl:mail
20:32:23Terinjokesthanks
20:32:59bluebrotherthe search field on the left side does this afaik
20:33:36rasheronly the site part
20:34:36bluebrothercorrect. Overread the inurl part
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20:35:19Terinjokesha! found it!
20:35:53pixelmabluebrother: thanks... I'm currently working on the fmradio.tex but I guess you could explain the region settings better. For now I would just take out the "0.1 MHz steps" part
20:36:03pixelma(in the button table)
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20:36:59pixelma(and only say "changes frequency")
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20:37:29bluebrotherif I find the time I'll add what's missing (unless someone else was faster ;-)
20:37:42habanahi all
20:38:52pixelmabluebrother: yes :)
20:39:33habanado you think i could re-use a "build-rbdev" compiled from another pc last night ?
20:39:45*bluebrother just read the feature request by Genre9mp3
20:39:53bluebrotherhabana, what exactly do you mean?
20:40:37habanayesterday i made "build-rbdev" on a ubuntu efty with the script provided
20:41:29habanatonight, i have another pc wuth ubuntu dapper and dont have time to restart the process.
20:42:20habanacan i take the first "build-rbdev" on the n°1 and use it on the pc n° 2 ?
20:43:03dan_aGnelik: I've just checked, and I'm 99% sure that the scroll wheel isn't attached to any of the GPIOs
20:46:06amiconnopto? ....
20:46:16Terinjokesdevelopers! you've heard of comments, right?
20:46:46rasherhabana: If it's the same system, it should work
20:48:13*dan_a checks how opto works
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20:49:01Gnelikdan_a but where then???
20:49:07*Genre9mp3 just noticed that the set date/time screen doesn't work on iriver remote
20:49:22dan_aGnelik: Some other I/O!
20:50:19Gnelikdan_a: cant we see it looking at board scan???
20:50:42Terinjokessorry nano users, i can't make heads or tails of the rockboy's scaling
20:51:53dan_aThe iPods have their keypad attached to the i2c bus
20:51:59Gnelikdan_a: Maybe i am stupid but i saw GPIO changing, or maybe it was a dream
20:52:11Gnelik:)
20:54:42dan_aI've just re-written dbg_ports so that it only shows the things that change - GPIOs A, J, E and L have pins changing without me doing anything, nothing changes when I move the scroll wheel
20:54:59Gneliki know
20:55:18Gnelikit was i think gpio I
20:55:28Gnelikit has three values
20:56:49GnelikI didnt remember why it worked
20:57:31Gnelikgrr
20:57:46dan_aGnelik: There are 2 things that we need to do at the moment that you might be able to help with
20:57:54amiconnhmpf :/
20:58:08amiconnThe ipod target tree files suffer from excessive including
20:58:14Gnelikdan_a:???
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20:58:48amiconn...and the backlight-*.c files there try something that cannot work
20:59:26dan_aWhen you go into a lot of the debug screens, it hangs the Sansa. I think this might be something to do with the timer interrupt - someone needs to investigate that and see what's going wrong.
20:59:58amiconnhmpf :\
21:00
21:00:08amiconnm68k-elf-gcc 3.4.6 doesn't build on interix
21:00:15*amiconn tries 4.0.3
21:00:27dan_aAlso, we need to change the LCD driver, so that it has 2 framebuffers (one which Rockbox talks to, and then we copy sections of that over to the one that the LCD controller talks to)
21:00:41amiconnDo we?
21:00:42dan_aThis will make the splash work properly
21:00:54dan_aamiconn: On the Sansa
21:01:00amiconnI know what you mean
21:01:05amiconnWhat's wrong with the splash?
21:01:20dionoeaahem ... http://aram.xkcd.com:8080/imgsample/warrantyvoid.png
21:01:24dionoeaand hi
21:01:24dan_aIt blanks the rest of the screen until it goes
21:01:33amiconnoh
21:01:36GnelikSome of them
21:01:37GnelikSome not
21:01:39*amiconn wonders why that happens
21:01:56amiconndan_a: Are you calling it with true or false as the first parameter?
21:02:05dan_aIt must call lcd_update_rect - which we can't implement properly
21:02:35amiconnThe splash doesn't clear the outer area of a 'true' (i.e. centered and framed) splash
21:02:39dan_aamiconn: I don't know! This is when things like the low battery warning come up
21:02:42Gnelikok, if it will be something another write to m on forum
21:02:44Gnelikbye
21:02:56Gneliki try to do something
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21:03:11amiconndan_a: 'true' makes the splash text centered in a box, with a solid background and the outer area unchanged
21:03:41amiconn'false' makes the splash appear as plain left aligned text on a cleared screen
21:04:17amiconnSorry, it's the 2nd parameter of course
21:04:39dan_aIt appears as text centered in a box, with a solid background, and the outer area cleared until the splash goes away
21:05:35amiconnodd...
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21:06:23amiconnSplash updates the whole lcd on all targets
21:06:44amiconnapps/gui/splash.c: line 194: screen->update();
21:07:30amiconnMaybe the low bat splash clears the screen before splashing? (which would be a bug)
21:08:38dan_aI think every splash screen I've seen does it... is there a simple way I can trigger one?
21:09:51amiconnThe shutdown splash caller also clears the screen beforehand
21:10:02amiconnHmm, you need to find a splash that doesn't do this
21:10:38amiconnThe 'Nothing to resume' splash doesn't do this
21:10:52dan_a"Cancelled" doesn't do it either
21:11:11amiconnYes, in the settings
21:11:12dan_aSo I was wrong - we might get away with one framebuffer :)
21:11:35amiconnAs long as you can tell the controller when to update, it should suffice,m yes
21:11:44amiconns/,m/,/
21:12:11dan_aWe seem to be able to. Although there is a bit of flickering on the cube plugin.
21:12:29dan_aDoom looked fine, though
21:17:11amiconnHmm, m68k-elf-gcc on interix suffers from the same build problem as on cygwin or macosx
21:17:18amiconn68040 fails
21:17:23*amiconn applies patch
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21:35:12leftrightpreglow: this article on dither accurate http://www.hifi-writer.com/he/dvdaudio/dither.htm
21:35:24mooshello there !
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21:38:18MoosBagder?
21:38:37dan_aIt's been fine for me all day
21:38:45n1sme too
21:39:03Moosoops, maybe firefoc cache thing, thx
21:39:04dan_aCache?
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21:46:58Moosdon't know why firefox doesn't want show me the today's irc logs :)
21:50:39habanaMoos: try reduce / enlarge the firefox's window
21:52:14Moosdidn't work
21:53:48peturctrl-f5?
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21:55:30Mooshabana; thx anyway too
21:55:39habanalol, made a mistake with bash PATH as root ... and dont find the file where i rould recover :\
21:58:13dan_ahabana: /etc/profile?
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21:59:14dan_aIf not, export "PATH=/bin:/usr/bin" and then "grep -r PATH /etc/*"
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22:24:28*amiconn wonders about the compilation results of m68k-elf-gcc 4.0.3 vs. the recommended 3.4.6
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22:25:00amiconnMost binaries are slightly larger with 4.0.3 than with 3.4.6, but there are 2 notable exceptions
22:25:46amiconnsid.codec is much larger, and aac.codec is quite a bit smaller
22:29:11peturhow 'bout performance? ;)
22:29:25amiconnNot tested yet
22:29:38amiconnI can't test many codecs anyway
22:32:05amiconnMeh, 'make zip' doesn't work
22:32:20amiconnNo codecs and no plugins are included in the zip
22:32:31amiconnSeems to be a 'find' compatibility problem
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22:41:03amiconnHmm, non-gnu find doesn't know -empty
22:41:08amiconnBagder?
22:41:27Bagderprolly noy
22:41:28Bagdernot
22:41:40amiconnbuildzip.pl does use -empty
22:42:03amiconnDidn't you say that you usually don't rely on gnu extensions? ;)
22:42:43BagderI don't
22:42:46Bagderusually
22:42:54Bagdersee curl
22:42:55Bagder;-)
22:43:02amiconnI'll try -size 0c instead
22:44:09Bagderyeah, should work
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22:49:36amiconnmuch better :)
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23:06:41xamoxif I install rockbox do i need iTunes to dump music to it?
23:06:54Bagdernope
23:07:43peturjust drag 'n drop from your filebrowser ;)
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23:10:31s3b3hi all, got a short question, do you guys still work on the implementation of
23:10:31s3b3rockbox for the new 5.5G 80gig, i need it badly ;>
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23:11:56blue_lizardanybody knows what .daa for a filetype is?
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23:11:59dan_aI don't think any of the devs have a 5.5G iPod
23:12:28scorcheblue_lizard: i think it is a proprietary disc image...let me double check
23:12:32peturhttp://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=DAA
23:12:45scorcheyup
23:12:59blue_lizardthx
23:13:18z0dehello
23:13:34s3b3hm, which means ?
23:13:45blue_lizardprobably unusable on linux
23:13:48z0dedoes anyone know how to prevent the music cutting out while scrolling through a long list (albums)
23:14:00rasherscroll slower
23:14:11z0de:(
23:14:25rasherdoes your wps have peakmeters?
23:14:26dan_as3b3: If nobody has that model, they can't work on it.
23:14:44z0derasher: where would they be?
23:14:47s3b3:(
23:14:58blue_lizardif anybody is interested in handling .daa files in linux
23:15:05blue_lizardhttp://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-open-daa-direct-access-archive-files-under-linux-or-unix-oses/
23:15:11Bagders3b3: it means there's room for you to shine
23:15:13rasherz0de: Well, small bars that move back and forth to the music
23:15:30s3b3lol
23:15:46z0deno
23:15:58z0dei dont have that
23:16:30z0dejust one bar showing time into song
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23:19:46xamoxThat is awesome. Good bye iTunes, that makes my day cause I fucking HATE iTunes
23:21:32thegeeks3b3: I'm hoping that the ipodlinux guys will figure it out
23:21:44rasherz0de: I don't know, the problem is that there's too much work for the CPU, so it can't keep up.
23:21:44thegeekmy new 80gb is crying for rockbox too
23:21:50thegeekor, it'
23:21:59thegeekit's really me crying;P
23:22:26thegeekh120 w/rockbox ==> ipod w/appleshit == horrible
23:23:37peturthat's why I want h340 ==> h480 :)
23:23:47petureuh h380
23:24:06Genre9mp3petur h480 is an h300 with 180GB disk? :P
23:24:32peturor a version with optical and large LCD ;)
23:24:51Genre9mp3yeah.. keep dreamin'! :)
23:25:18z0derasher: so theres not a cach or temp file i can make bigger?
23:25:42z0dehow come it can play music and games but not play music and scroll :(
23:26:03xamoxHow do I check my Applefirmware ver? Do I have to have iTunes installed?
23:26:17rasherz0de: I'm actually not really sure.. check the ipod faq
23:26:21rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/biew/Main/IpodFaq
23:26:25rasheroh damn
23:26:28*petur thought thread priority solved the skipping on ipod
23:26:29rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFaq
23:26:36z0derasher: its a iaudio x5l
23:26:51z0dei dont think the ipod faq will help/
23:26:54rasherOh, usually only the ipods have problems
23:26:58rasherWell, the problem is the same
23:27:10rasherSo it will in fact. It's just usually a problem on the ipods
23:27:29z0dek
23:27:37rasherWhat are you trying to play?
23:27:54z0deaudio files are mp3's
23:28:13rasherStrange.. the x5 really shouldn't skip when playing mp3s
23:28:44rasherAre you scrolling a large list, and do some of the entries have strange characters in them? (that is, anything outside standard ascii)
23:29:14rasherI still think there's something strange going on relating to unicode when scrolling large lists
23:29:27z0delist is big, no special chars
23:29:42rasherHm okay
23:29:52rasherAre you using a recent build?
23:30:42z0deand it doesn't skip it just stops and keeps scrolling, if i stop scrolling for any length of time (milliseconds) i can play and scroll again untill it stops the music again
23:31:03z0derecent build:yes and happend on older build too
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23:31:08rasherYeah, that's the "normal" behavior
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23:32:00z0dei can get about 3-5 seconds of scrolling before it cuts
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23:32:52z0decut of time=4 seconds same every time
23:33:26SoapIs anyone here familiar with ipod installs w/MacOSx? I can't follow the changes recently made to the wiki, they are not making sense to me and I'm curious.
23:33:40SoapCurious if the page was edited correctly.
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23:35:24rasherz0de: It's pretty much a well-known problem. Just consider yourself lucky that you're not using an ipod - it'd be worse there
23:36:35z0de:(
23:37:03z0decant the folder contents be stored in a txt and then scroll that
23:37:19z0deinteractive txt or something
23:37:30*z0de is not a programmer incase you were wondering
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23:38:32rasherThe problem is the process of displaying the text
23:38:36z0deah
23:38:56z0dedo the stock firmware on most players have this problem?
23:39:00rasherWhich is possibly taking longer than it ought to
23:39:10rasherDoubtful
23:39:22rasherThe stock firmware on most players are rather simple compared to Rockbox
23:39:53z0dei guess
23:40:06z0deits only a list :(
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23:40:51z0deis there an option to pause the scrolling instead of the music as i would prefer that
23:41:01xamoxok, so I just installed the bootloader for my nano 1st gen
23:41:23xamoxNow I just unzip the firmware and copy and paste it to the drive that is showing up on my USB?
23:41:56rasherz0de: The scrolling is already running at lower priority
23:41:59rasherOr should be, anyway
23:42:15rasherI'm a bit puzzled that this is still a problem, especially on x5
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23:42:31z0dei know
23:43:37z0dehow can i check priorty of scrolling?
23:43:50rasherNo idea to be honest
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23:44:04Bagderscrolling is done in the main thread
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23:44:26rasherList scrolling
23:44:43z0demain thread?
23:44:48Bagderthat's done synchronous in the ui/main thread
23:45:03Bagderz0de: correct
23:45:24z0deuh that was short for "whats a main thread?"
23:45:39Bagderso why ask for priority then?
23:45:48z0deso i could check
23:46:04z0dei want playback as top priorty
23:46:16BagderI doubt you can check if you can't even find the main thread
23:46:34peturI thought you said you weren't a programmer ;)
23:47:01z0de:( i though you might have made i nice interface or something
23:47:13*petur thought thread priority solved the skipping already...
23:47:13Bagderwe have
23:47:13z0dei=a*
23:47:14xamoxwhere do I copy my mp3's to once rockbox is installed?
23:47:16Bagderits called Rockbox
23:47:24z0dexamox:music folder.
23:47:32z0delol badger
23:47:35Bagderxamox: anywhere you like!
23:47:49xamoxdoes it have to be in the .rockbox folder?
23:47:54Bagdernono
23:47:58Bagderdon't put it there
23:48:00rasherThat'd be a bad idea
23:48:03xamoxalright
23:48:08xamoxjust in the root dir then?
23:48:10rasherYup
23:48:17*petur just read: <Bagder>xamox: anywhere you like!
23:48:24xamoxcan I delete ipod_control?
23:48:26Bagderanywhere really means anywhere
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23:48:43z0derude interupting my help :(
23:48:44scorchexamox: yes
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23:49:33xamoxwhat themes does everyone recomend?
23:49:46z0dejust find one you like.
23:49:46scorchewhatever appeals to your eye
23:50:00peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
23:50:02scorchetry for one that doesnt require any patches
23:50:11xamoxalright
23:50:18xamoxThx all, holy shit this is so awesome
23:50:32z0dejust dont try to scroll ;)
23:50:41xamoxI have wanted to do away with iTunes for so logn
23:51:51xamoxI actually think it sounds better than the normal firmware too and I haven't even messed with the equalizer!
23:51:58rasherz0de: It's not as bad as it used to be, and it gets worse in some situations. You happen to be one.. Probably the loooong list
23:52:16z0dehow long would you say is long?
23:52:24*z0de doesnt want a penis joke right now
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23:52:57amiconnpetur: The gcc 4.0.3 build works. About to do some simple performance comparisons. Playing an .ogg album atm (the only one I have), measuring boost ratio
23:53:13rasherz0de: A couple hundred items
23:53:22peturamiconn: nice
23:53:33amiconnH300 btw
23:53:46amiconnI'll do a quick test on H1x0 and X5 as well
23:54:17Abidibshey i think i got a 4th gen ipod grayscale?
23:54:23z0dei have 295 folders
23:54:29Abidibswhould it mess it up if i download rockbox
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23:54:45rasherz0de: Well, it's not entirely certain what makes it worse
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23:55:06z0dealso some of the albums are flacs if that matters,
23:55:23rasherIt won't
23:55:33z0dedidnt think so
23:55:43z0deunless i was playing one prehaps
23:56:23Abidibss'excuse me?
23:56:38Bagder"<z0de> audio files are mp3's"
23:56:38z0denot to you Abidibs
23:56:45z0demost are
23:56:58z0deand the problem happens regards of what i play
23:57:38z0deso i chose the lowest quality ones to not waste time blaiming flac
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