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#rockbox log for 2006-12-03

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00:10:43TPJdo anybody know something about the rockbox port to the elio tpj-1022
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00:22:22linuxstb_TPJ: Yes...
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01:35:47webguest66were there 'plans' (i mean as close as you can get to plans on a volunteer project) to have HFS support for macpods?
01:36:01JdGordonnoo
01:37:28webguest66that cos ppl in the kno hav linux and want fat anyway or cos its a silly idea?
01:38:01JdGordonbecause fat32 is supportted by eerythign and there is more imporant stuff to play with
01:39:08webguest66are there open source type applications to 'restore'/reformat an ipod the way itunes does or can anyold disk manager di it?
01:39:14webguest66do*
01:39:27JdGordonrestore to hfs or fat32?
01:39:47webguest66either
01:40:03JdGordonlinuux can probably do both fairly easily
01:40:12JdGordonim sure apple have a tool also
01:40:37webguest66thanks
01:41:37linuxstb_You can just restore using "dd" (assuming you make a backup...).
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01:56:23JdGordonanyonoe with an x5 here?
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02:01:31Moosjdgordon: yeah?
02:01:55JdGordoncan yyou confirm is fs 6365 fixes the problem?
02:02:01JdGordonor if it even is a problem
02:02:06Mooslink?
02:02:18JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6365
02:02:22Moosthx
02:03:05MoosI'm not a bookmarks user
02:03:20JdGordon:(
02:03:23Mooshave you got a "how to reproduce bug" procedure?
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02:03:39JdGordoni dont have an x5 so i cant test it at all
02:03:40Moosif so I can test quickly
02:03:59JdGordonjust enable bookmatks, add a fewe then hold rec and see if mrme than 1 bookmark is remmoved
02:04:11Mooslet's test
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02:05:56JdGordonsim definatly seems t be effected
02:06:28Mooswhat's suposed to do "hold rec"?
02:06:52JdGordonsim definatly seems t be effectedthe current bookmark in the bookmark viewer
02:07:43Moosoops, I did just hold "navi" and that's stoped the playback
02:07:58MoosI really don't know how works this feature
02:08:12JdGordonhehe ok, dw, the patch seems to work in the sim corectlyt
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02:08:40JdGordonto make a bookmar you need to enable it on stop, then hold play at the spot yyou want it
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02:09:05Moosk
02:11:28MoosI said: commit and see ;P
02:11:42JdGordon?
02:12:07Moosthe patch that seems to fix the bug you said
02:12:13JdGordongreat
02:12:14JdGordoncommited
02:12:21Moosmy brain is out :)
02:12:26JdGordon:)
02:13:02Moostoo more joints ;P
02:14:29JdGordontwo more, or too many ?
02:18:38Moostoo many, sorry
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02:23:09TerrorByteHey!
02:23:18TerrorByteIt's been too long.
02:23:26JdGordonit has?
02:23:50TerrorByteSo....
02:24:05TerrorByteHas there been any big advancement?
02:24:39TerrorByteLOL, where is Paul?
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02:28:56Moosgood day/night all
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03:51:13zzapWhen I 'ipodpatcher -r * bootpartition.bin' it comes up with an error "Bad boot sector signature" - what could this mean?
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03:54:35zzapAnyone? Please?
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04:17:21suteny0rcan anyone point me to unbricking guide for nano (had apple 1.1.1 fw)?
04:17:47suteny0rseemed to be working, then showed battery icon, powered off, now dead
04:18:07suteny0rno usb enumeration, no charge indication - tried menu+select for 10 sec no response
04:18:17mick_homesuteny0r: i was about to install on my nano
04:18:26mick_home:-/
04:18:42suteny0rprobly had low battery when i was upgrading.
04:18:50suteny0rbut never failed or complained
04:19:04mick_homeyou just might scare me out of it
04:19:08suteny0rleft it plugged in (charge?) for half hour, but no improvement
04:19:19mick_homeok, so i'll make sure to have a full battery
04:19:39suteny0ri'm sure i used latest daily for ipod nano original version
04:19:51suteny0rreplacing bootloader worked without error
04:20:02mick_homei thought that apple had some builtin stuff for unbricking
04:20:03suteny0rwas working for about 5 min
04:20:16mick_homeBagder was telling me about that before
04:21:06suteny0rdoesnt even enumerate on the usb bus now when i plug it in (no happy sound)
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04:23:06suteny0rany other secret powerup key presses, hidden reset buttons?
04:23:55mick_homei hope that won't happen to me :-(
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04:26:52suteny0ryay!
04:26:55suteny0ri'ts alive!
04:27:22suteny0rhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7184.0
04:27:23suteny0rhelpful
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04:34:09mick_homeok, then i'll try it now :)
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06:12:03JdGordondoes anyone know how to get the hard disk ribbon cable out of the ipod 4g? i dont tink its in properly
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07:15:43CerebroJDwow... zzap, you're right at the bottom of the list lol
07:16:03zzapI wonder why :|
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07:23:07JdGordonanyone know if win95 hhad pcmcia support?
07:23:45rasherNot 100%, but 99% sure it did. Pcmcia is rather old afaik
07:24:11JdGordonnnot much chancce ill find win95 drivers for my wlan card tho
07:25:22JdGordonwoohoo.. netgear has win95 drivers!
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08:05:26mick_homerasher: can you email Christi for me?
08:05:48mick_homerasher: my email bounced since her spam blocking software sucks
08:06:26zzaplol
08:07:10mick_homeif she is ever in irc she can find me in #clamwin if i'm not here
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09:17:37Bagdermick_home: she hasn't been around much lately
09:17:53mick_homeBagder: mind emailing her?
09:18:04Bagderalthough she has appeared in the forums I've notice
09:18:05mick_homei'll /msg my email
09:18:05Bagderd
09:18:18BagderPM her there
09:18:23Bagder"Cassandra"
09:18:38mick_homei *hate* forums
09:19:19mick_homesigh
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09:45:08BagderI can't say I like forums very much either
09:45:25Bagderbut many users seem to
09:45:42scorcheI like them
09:45:52scorchebut only when rules are strictly adhered to
09:45:54*JdGordon prefers forums over mailign liists
09:46:03scorcheJdGordon: oh yes
09:46:12Bagderwhen I get mail, I tend to mark and get back to those to take care of
09:46:24Bagderand that is impossible with forums
09:46:51JdGordonah, butt with mailing lists (or emaiils) once yuo say something stupid,. its there forever, you cant edit messages
09:47:10scorcheim sure that there is an addition somewhere that would allow you to do something like that
09:47:19BHSPitMonkeyI've honestly never been comfortable with the concept of mailing lists
09:47:21BagderJdGordon: yes, but I just hate how people can change forum posts :)
09:47:35*amiconn prefers mls over forums
09:47:41scorcheJdGordon: and forums are much more structured
09:47:46BHSPitMonkeyI think forum post edits should be confined to appendages
09:47:57BHSPitMonkeyin other words, "EDIT:" at the end
09:47:59CerebroJDbadger, bookmark threads you need to watch?
09:48:11mick_homeBagder: if you wouldn't mind, maybe you can email her and ask her to fix the email thing? i just don't do forums at all
09:48:26BagderI don't want to watch particular threads, I want to mark posts I want to reply to at a later time
09:48:28BHSPitMonkeyBagder, just subscribe to forums?
09:48:42BHSPitMonkeymeh
09:48:48CerebroJDBagder, individual posts?
09:48:51Bagderyes
09:48:55CerebroJDhmm
09:48:58CerebroJDwhich forums?
09:49:10Bagderforums.rockbox.org
09:49:17scorchewhen i read all posts, i prefer to write a response then and there
09:49:33BagderI used to do that
09:49:39Bagderbut these days I get more than I can reply to
09:49:49CerebroJDhmm
09:49:51Bagderso I have to scan through them all first, then select what to act on
09:49:52scorchedo you still read every post?
09:49:56Bagderno
09:49:59scorcheah
09:50:06scorcheyeah...it makes a difference if you do
09:50:07*CerebroJD wonders if thats an invision board
09:50:10*JdGordon would go crazy reading every poost on the forums
09:50:19scorcheCerebroJD: SMF
09:50:20*amiconn stopped reading the forums quite a while ago
09:50:29BagderI just read the threads that sound interesting
09:50:35Bagderwhich is just a small fraction
09:50:41scorcheJdGordon: it isnt that bad unless you skip 2 days or more
09:50:53amiconnSimply too much jabber to follow. I only read posts I get pointed to
09:52:00scorcheyeah, but then again, i am more support than you are, and you are more dev than i am ;)
09:53:58amiconntrue :)
09:54:07CerebroJDholy crap... slooooow forums
09:54:29*Bagder is poster #4 on the forums
09:55:04BagderCerebroJD: they tend to vary speedwise, no idea why
09:55:13mick_homei'm sure there are no blind people using the forum :-P
09:55:27Bagderthe blinds are on the users mailing list
09:55:43mick_homesaw that image to verify?
09:55:43Bagderclearly ;-)
09:56:04mick_homeit has BLUE TEXt on a BLUE BACKGROUND (for me)
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09:56:19Bagderyeah, we try to keep you out of there ;-P
09:56:20mick_homeand no voice button
09:56:31JdGordonside topic... damn debian is bloated
09:56:44mick_homei'm not blind but i may become blind from using the forum :-P
09:56:45Bagderif you get it all, sure
09:56:55Bagdermy debian is not bloated
09:57:23mick_homeJdGordon: wtf? mine isn't. you just don't know how to install a base system and work up from there
09:57:27JdGordonjust doing a basic install with noothing but base, heaps of crap that ill uninstall aas soon as its finished
09:57:29mick_home;)
09:57:39scorcheJdGordon: try slackware ;)
09:57:42BagderJdGordon: yeah, you get some crap you can delete
09:57:47mick_homeor LFS :-P
09:57:53scorcheno...just slackware
09:58:03CerebroJDhmm
09:58:05n1sBagder: Did you make the party mode?
09:58:12CerebroJDis the UI customizable in Rockbox?
09:58:16Bagdernls: no, Zagor did
09:58:22mick_homethe base does have some stuff that can get deleted but it isn't as bad as Fedora/Redhat
09:58:28JdGordonCerebroJD: only the WPS and general backgruond
09:58:29Bagderamen
09:58:43CerebroJDhmm
09:58:47n1soh, just wondering if music is supposed to stop when entering recording or radio screens?
09:59:27mick_homeis the voice UI enabled by default? or do i need to do some spiffyness?
09:59:29Bagdern1s: I guess for party mode, those should perhaps not even be possible to enter... but I'm not sure
09:59:31mick_home:)
09:59:58n1sBagder: yes I thought so, because it wont let you kaunch a plugin...
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10:00:24CerebroJDhaha
10:00:29CerebroJD"Itsa Niiiice!"
10:02:09amiconnmick_home: Voice menus are enabled by default (of course you need to install a voice file as well)
10:02:25mick_homecool
10:02:41mick_homei want mine to fully charge before trying it out
10:02:50mick_homei need to get rid of the HFS stuff too
10:08:13scorchewell, the guy still hasnt given me his email address yet, so i guess i will just have to send the next (and most likely last) mail through ebay
10:08:25scorchealso, if you notice, http://www.spidersoftware.de/pimpMyIPod/ is gone
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10:27:47CerebroJDwhoah wtf
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11:02:27mick_homebtw, can someone put in an extra <div> where the forum image comes in? something w/ a bg of white
11:02:45mick_homeblue text on blue background wasn't the brightest idea
11:03:08mick_homealso a sound version would be good for the visually impared
11:04:01pixelmamick_home: there is a button that lets you hear the characters (at least there was 2..3 months ago
11:04:13mick_homenope
11:04:45mick_homeoh shit - in size 1em there it is!
11:04:45pixelma(I used it when I registered because I wasn't sure about one of them)
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11:05:55mick_homei'm surprised that whoever set it up didn't once walk through it themselves :-P
11:06:06scorchemick_home: on screen readers which the blind use, the font size does not matter
11:06:39mick_homefor non-visually impared people like myself - it does :-P
11:08:01scorcheyou started this topic of discussion for the visually impaired....people who can see alright have nothing to do with it
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11:10:07pixelmaJdGordon: interested in my findings about your settings patch?
11:10:10mick_homescorche: what you just said makes no sense what so ever
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11:10:31mick_homebtw - ssl support would be nice for a login
11:10:35mick_homei get an error
11:11:13scorchemick_home: and you mentioning that it isnt proper design for people with decent vision made more sense?
11:11:18scorchethat was my whole point
11:11:32mick_home"forums.rockbox.org has sent an incorrect or unexpected message. Error Code: -12263"
11:11:56mick_homegreek to me :-/ (don't you love errors that make no sense?)
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11:12:39mick_homescorche: accessability and usability are two very important things, that benefit all users
11:12:57mick_homei may not be visually impared but i'm getting there :-P
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11:13:53scorchethen i suggest that when you are trying to make a case for visually impaired people, you do not throw one who does not apply into the mix
11:15:13mick_homescorche: wth are you talking about
11:15:27mick_homeblue text on a blue background isn't the best idea for anyone to read
11:15:35scorchenever you mind...it isnt worth it...carry on
11:15:43scorchewe werent talking about that
11:15:51scorchebut alright...
11:16:30mick_homethe 1em font thing? (the "workaround" for the unreadable random image)... this gets into usability −− and you are right, it makes little sense to discuss it
11:16:49mick_homebetter to fix than to bicker :)
11:17:05scorcheyou really are not getting the point at all
11:17:19scorchebut i do not have the time to properly explain it i guess
11:17:20mick_homei think you are missing the point
11:17:23*scorche moves on
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11:18:58mick_homeif a person (like me) has problems with a user interface - other people will have it. the fact that i bring up accessability is merely because i work on accessable software, and know peopl who are visually impared. Also, near/far sighted and colorblind people make up the mix of "visually impared" not just blind people
11:19:43mick_homebut you are right, better to move on...
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11:24:17niendoI have some question about rockbox on iriver h300
11:24:28n1sshoot
11:25:19niendowhen I conncect my h340 to the power source it will boot with the iriver firmware
11:25:28niendoand not with rockbox
11:25:55n1sthat is intended behaviour, but will probably be changed when (if) a new bootloader is released
11:26:37niendois there a workaround for this behavior?
11:26:56peturjhMikeS: ping?
11:27:05n1sniendo: you can start rockbox and then connect the charger
11:27:55niendomh,, this doesnt work, because I have some trouble with the Batteries
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11:28:24peturinstall new ones?
11:28:24niendotheir are alwasy empty
11:29:15*n1s already put a new battery on the christmas wishlist :-)
11:29:22niendoOk, so I'm waiting for the next bootloader release...
11:29:41n1sdon't hold your breath...
11:30:58*petur thinks of new battery and 80GB disk if he can find one
11:31:35niendoI had the device already send to iriver but they were not able to fix it.
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11:38:48n1sguess you learn something every day :-)
11:39:06peturgood for me learning to play bass...
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12:08:28mick_homethe manual mentions the "fonts package" being located here: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
12:08:38mick_homeno such package as far as i can see
12:08:41peturjhMikeS: if you read the log: I had a crash at the end of a recording yesterday. After recording almost 100 minutes I pressed stop and after a short pauze it gave me (if I remember correctly) I04 at 00000002. It turned out it had saved the file ok, including the header. Could be I pressed stop more than once but I'm unable to reproduce.
12:08:49mick_homeoutdated perhaps?
12:09:11peturbottom right
12:09:25petursomehow the title went missing
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12:09:57peturah no, it's still there
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12:57:40zylcheI just noticed..
12:57:45zylcheevery page has "Page was last modified "Jun 17 2004" The Rockbox Crew" on it..
12:57:54zylcheeven the daily builds and newly added pages...
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13:00:40amiconnHmm.
13:00:44amiconnBagder: Around?
13:01:04zylcheBagder: Asquare?
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13:28:10pixelmaJdGordon: ?
13:29:42JdGordonhey
13:29:56JdGordonyou had findigs before?
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13:32:32pixelmayes... most important to me (though I don't know if it's fixed in your very last version) - it seems that setting changes weren't saved when i set those during playback...
13:32:48JdGordonwhich settings?
13:32:53pixelma...even though the "disk" spun for audio rebufferin
13:32:56pixelmag
13:33:51pixelmaI tried playback settings (like repeat, shuffle) also a different languag
13:34:25JdGordonwasnt even saved ono shuhtdown?
13:36:17pixelmaI noticed that it didn't remember the changes as the unit switched off when the battery went flat
13:37:02JdGordonthat makes sense... bbut usually it shold right the settigs to disk on a successful shutdown
13:37:22amiconnIt also should write settings on next disk access after leaving the menu
13:37:36JdGordonyes, it does
13:37:50JdGordonwell, it shuld
13:37:59pixelmaI thought it was supposed to take opportunity of "disk" spinning during rebuffer
13:38:16JdGordononly if it knows the settings were changed (setting_save() was called)
13:38:35pixelmawell it didn't
13:39:18pixelmaalso two settings didn't work properly themselves...
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13:40:56JdGordon.. which?
13:41:02pixelma1) while I wanted to set "LCD mode" to inverse - I didn't get an inversed screen but the selector was changed from line selector to pointer type (probably a copy-paste mishap)
13:42:40pixelma2) I wanted to call the fonts browser but it stayed on the menu entry "Browse fonts" - the statusbar showed MMC activity but nothing happened (hope you can understand)
13:43:36JdGordon1) odd, checking. (2) probablly a path problem, shhuold be easy to fix
13:46:09JdGordon2 is fixed
13:46:12JdGordonanythign else?
13:46:26JdGordonill save this log and fix it tomrow hopefuly
13:47:54pixelmathat's what I found so far... will test further
13:48:06JdGordonta
13:51:37mick_homepixelma: you are working on the docs?
13:51:51pixelmaa bit
13:52:03mick_homemind if i write some patches?
13:52:24pixelmahelp is welcome :)
13:52:24mick_homeor are particular people working on certain parts?
13:52:46mick_homei am still getting the LaTeX from cvs
13:52:54bluebrothermick_home, you can have a look at the ManualTodo page
13:53:07mick_homewill do
13:53:12bluebrotherit lists some people who wanted to work on certain parts
13:53:28bluebrother... which doesn't mean not to work on those ;-)
13:54:33mick_homelol, i know how that is ;)
13:54:43mick_homei've seen some obvious things
13:54:55mick_homelike the HFS+ to FAT32 part in the front
13:55:07n1sthe red fixmes are pretty obvious
13:55:09n1s:-)
13:55:20mick_homeand the missing link to the fonts package
13:55:31mick_homei'm going through it page for page
13:55:33bluebrothercorrect, rasher generated an overview over the fixme parts some time ago
13:55:48mick_homeas a user first (still haven't installed it on my nano) ;)
13:55:53rasherI should update that.. I believe I even made a script to generate it
13:56:40mick_homepretty much, i was thinking i'd add parts that i thought were missing or parts that confused me i'd clarify and send patches out to one of you to review
13:56:43bluebrothermissing link to the fonts? There is one in advanced topics ...
13:57:01mick_homeit was one of the first pages
13:57:12bluebrotherand on the installation section as well
13:57:16n1smick_home: Post the patches on the tracker.
13:57:25mick_homeya, the bts
13:57:35bluebrotherbut if you found it missing somewhere please post patches ;)
13:57:52mick_hometht is the plan
13:57:59bluebrothergreat
13:58:20mick_homenow to find docs on HFS to FAT32 conversion :-P
13:58:58rasherWhich reminds me.. I believe there are quite a few updated languages waiting in the tracker..
13:59:10bluebrotherLatexGuidelines may be also interesting to you (if you haven't found it already)
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14:01:07mick_homebluebrother: you also realize that 130+ pages is a bit hard to swallow for the "average user" ;)
14:01:38mick_homea "getting started in 10 minutes" guide would be nice :)
14:01:44rasherIt's not really meant to be read front to back
14:01:54rasherI believe a "getting started" section is being worked on?
14:01:59mick_homewell, so it seems anyway
14:02:03bluebrothersure. That's why I started with the "quick start" some time ago
14:02:17n1sthe "browsing and playing" chapter covers the basics pretty well
14:02:45bluebrotherthere are about 40 pages on plugins. The average user most likely can simply skip them
14:02:52bluebrotheras the "advanced topics"
14:03:01mick_homewell ya, i found that the install section was small and same w/ the section on how to use it
14:03:25mick_homewhen i saw the manual, i stopped what i was doing
14:03:33*bluebrother runs off −− back in a couple of minutes
14:03:43mick_homei was just thinking "oh damnit, i will be working on this all night"
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14:04:02mick_homethen i realized that it wasn't *that* big
14:04:08mick_homeit was just too much fluff
14:04:46mick_homea "getting started sheet" r something would be nice for the user not to think it will take all night to setup
14:04:55mick_homei guess taht is what the wiki is for thoug
14:05:26rasherActually, I think the wiki should in many areas be replaced by the manual
14:05:54linuxstbThe nice thing about having the manual in LaTeX is that we could build different types of manuals from the same source tree - e.g. something like a "quick start" manual and a "Rockbox reference".
14:05:55rasheras nice as the wiki is, the manual is easier to track and manage
14:07:47mick_homei will do what i can
14:07:53mick_homethe sun is up, i must go to bed ;)
14:20:09bluebrotherhmm. We could add a quickstart sheet that is limited to one page and somewhere in the appendix.
14:20:37bluebrotherso users who only want to have this could rip it off the manual. OTOH I'm not sure if it's worth the work needed
14:20:37n1sshouldn't the quickstart be at the beginning?
14:20:54bluebrotheras the quickstart that is already present isn't too long either
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18:00:33t0dk0nD= My ipod keeps going into read only mode >_<
18:00:48t0dk0nso I can't copy or delete anything
18:01:00t0dk0ndoes anyone know how to fix this problemo?
18:01:09t0dk0nrunning linux, and 5g ipod
18:01:39amiconnYour ipod doesn't go into read-only mode, it's linux doing this
18:01:51t0dk0nah, thought so hehe
18:01:56amiconnThis points towards a filesystem error on your ipod'd hd
18:02:48t0dk0nis there anyway to fix this? like see the log output of filesystem errors?
18:03:25Slasherifsck.vfat /dev/sda2 or something like that on root
18:03:34zewithout it being mounted
18:03:34ze:p
18:03:44t0dk0nhaha alright
18:05:38t0dk0n... it refuses to find it
18:06:57t0dk0ngrrrgle
18:07:11t0dk0noh well, I'll deal with it later
18:07:12zewell it finds it to mount it doesn't it?
18:07:16t0dk0nyeah
18:07:23zethen it should find it to fsck it
18:07:29zeif you have the fsck program for it of course
18:07:34t0dk0nhahaha I love that command
18:07:35zeand you're telling it the same device that you'd mount
18:07:45zeheh :p
18:08:18t0dk0nahh, hmm... maybe I'll try unplugging it, restarting it into original firmware, then plugging it back in
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18:11:09t0dk0nlammmme... "superblock isn't able to be read or describe a correct ext2 filesystem"
18:11:13t0dk0nshould i repair it?
18:11:37zeis it supposed to be ext2?
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18:11:47t0dk0noh yeah, good point
18:11:55zewrong fsck :p
18:11:58t0dk0ntoo tired, I'm used to ext2 over vfat :P
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18:12:08webguest31hi
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18:12:34webguest31does any one know when the 3.0 or 3.1 of rockbox will be out?
18:13:06t0dk0nze: peculiar, my distro didn't ship with fsck.vfat :(
18:13:17zei don't think many do
18:13:27webguest31hello?
18:13:29zemost people fsck their vfats from win typically i think
18:13:33webguest31anyone know?
18:13:35t0dk0nwebguest31: it wont be determined... don't bother asking...
18:13:41webguest31omg
18:13:49t0dk0nits open source software, noob!
18:13:56zet0dk0n: check for a dosfstools package or ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/Linux/LOCAL/dosfstools/
18:13:58webguest31your a noob
18:14:06t0dk0nze: thanks :)
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18:14:15t0dk0nwebguest: very mature
18:14:17zet0dk0n: i *think* its got one, anyway :p
18:14:21t0dk0nhaha
18:14:32webguest31nubish!!!! ds-x rules!!!!! wii rocks the socks!!!!!!!!
18:14:32webguest31bye!!!!
18:14:40zeheh
18:14:41t0dk0n0_o...
18:14:43t0dk0ntroll
18:14:56zeif there's no 3.0 why would there be a 3.1?
18:15:02zetell ya what, 4.2 will be out tomorrow!
18:15:03ze:p
18:15:26zeand they'll release 5.7 the next day
18:15:46zebut then they'll take 3 years before they make another release, and that'll be 5.71
18:16:24t0dk0nlol
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18:20:17*t0dk0n blinks...
18:20:28t0dk0nI think my whole Linux system is fscked up
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18:20:36t0dk0nI can't even untar
18:20:47t0dk0ngrrr... I gotta run, thank you for the help ze ^_^
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18:35:36GnelikCan anyone give me a link to simple math expression parser in C???
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18:36:22merbananGnelik: ffmpeg has one
18:37:21Gnelik???
18:37:35linuxstbIs there anything that isn't in ffmpeg?
18:38:26merbananlinuxstb: :)
18:39:00linuxstb:) But seriously, why is that in ffmpeg?
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18:39:43GnelikCan't see it there..
18:39:45merbananlinuxstb: it is for the ratecontroller, you can put in your own equation
18:40:50merbananGnelik: http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC15 <−− is this what you need ?
18:41:32GnelikYEP
18:41:46Gnelikbut now i need to find it in source
18:44:16mirakhi
18:50:09preglowhah, cool
18:50:59*preglow decides to do the monthly whatever-happened-to-aac check
18:53:18preglowno more clues, as usual
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18:59:18LearYou mean the ffmpeg AAC implementation?
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18:59:34preglowaye
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19:01:55LearThere was some work done, but I guess it wasn't finished enough to be included in the main ffmpeg cvs/svn.
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19:02:43merbananthat is correct, the student working on it got drafted to the army
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19:03:46preglowhaha
19:03:53preglowwhich country is he living in?
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19:05:34merbananor so he said
19:05:46merbananRussia
19:06:04preglowright
19:06:13preglowknow what shape the code is in?
19:06:36merbananI didn't mentor it, but I think it's quite good
19:06:44*amiconn is still waiting for the promised speex codec ;)
19:07:19merbananshould work with most lc samples
19:08:33LearNot fixed-point, I *think*, from some of the commits I saw...
19:10:45preglowamiconn: oh, it's in the tracker, and i think it even compiles nicely now
19:10:51merbanancorrect, not fixedpoint
19:11:16preglowi've got this weird feeling that it won't be too hard to fixedpointify it
19:11:23preglowbut might very easily be wrong
19:15:27SlasheriFS patch committed for 5.5G :)
19:16:36GnelikCan i use mallloc in plugins?
19:16:53Slasheriif you can use static allocation, no
19:17:11Slasheribut if you really need to allocate a big buffer, you can steal the playback buffer
19:17:18Slasherior use smaller plugin malloc buf
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19:17:59merbananpreglow: prove it :)
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19:20:32GnelikDoes *my_malloc from searchengine is usefull?
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19:25:03GnelikIt tells than it couldn't find `audio_buffer_free'
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19:32:20idoomedhey i have a nano how do i play videos on it using rock box
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19:37:57GnelikCan anyone help me to port eval from ffmpeg to rockbox
19:38:24Gnelikmemory managment is difficult for me
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19:40:25webguest95Slasheri: what does the new 5.5g FS code actually mean for people wanting to use rockbox on a new ipod?
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19:42:23amiconnSlasheri: Funny typo: "Some never players..."
19:43:58linuxstbwebguest95: I think it means it works... (on the 30GB)
19:44:26amiconnSlasheri: Yellow builds!
19:44:30idoomedcan a ipod nano with rockbox play videos
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19:45:41linuxstbidoomed: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
19:45:52amiconnSlasheri: ...and the code is not only enabled for ipod video. :-( Why else would it break rombox for recorder?
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19:46:12Gnelikidoomed: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginVideo
19:48:21linuxstbSlasheri: Also, shouldn't MAX_SECTOR_SIZE be in the config*.h files, rather than fat.h ? Or maybe enabled by something like HAVE_LARGE_SECTORS?
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19:50:29linuxstbGnelik: PluginVideo is the video player for the Archos Recorders and Ondio.
19:50:59idoomedya not nano so i guess the nano cant play video with rockbox
19:50:59GnelikGnelik: ups. sory.
19:51:43Gneliklinuxstb: can you help me with porting memory managmeent to rockbox???
19:51:55linuxstbWhat's the problem you're having?
19:52:04Gnelikhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7561.0
19:52:31Gneliklinuxstb: I want to write plot builder plugin.
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19:54:10idoomedwhen i downloaded a nano .rockbox file it cam with a mpeg player but i cant figure out how to use it
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19:54:54linuxstbYou don't say what the problem is. Rockbox doesn't have the standard malloc/free functions, so you'll either have to implement them yourself, or rewrite that eval library so it doesn't need malloc/free.
19:55:03linuxstbidoomed: See the link I posted about 6 lines ago...
19:55:17linuxstb(sorry, 13 lines ago...)
19:55:26idoomedthe fourms one
19:55:41Slasherilinuxstb: hmm, yes. in fact config.h sounds better place for that
19:56:04idoomedok
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19:56:29PaulPositionIf I get a compile-time error in 'common/file.c' .. That would have nothing to do with rockbox and all to do with my vmware image getting corrupted or something, right?
19:57:24idoomeddo i need to convert the avi to the nano hight and with right
19:57:25linuxstbPaulPosition: It could be the external (to the Rockbox source) include files being corrupted.
19:57:28linuxstbidoomed: Yes.
19:58:08PaulPositionlinuxtb - uhuh... thanks, that's about what I thought.
19:58:15idoomedok converting now to avi season 3 of rvb
19:59:12linuxstbidoomed: You need to convert to either MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 video with the correct size, and it also needs to be an "MPEG video elementary stream" - i.e. not multiplexed as .avi or .mpg.
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19:59:44Gneliklinuxstb: any thougths?
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19:59:52idoomedhm this may take a while hay im using a trial verson of a program and only converst 50% of the file do u know where to download one that converts the whole thing
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20:01:40idoomedoh im new to irc how can i make myown channel
20:02:25linuxstbidoomed: Did you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? That has some instructions for using free software to convert videos.
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20:02:36idoomedoh
20:02:38idoomed ok
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20:02:49Gnelik:)
20:02:56zylcheBagder!
20:03:03*zylche throws water on the Bagder..
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20:05:46jhMikeSfor anyone that knows: is iAudio fast in doing a repair? my x5's joystick right button just busted (mush with no click and stuck going right)...argh.
20:05:49phlasphyhey all
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20:06:17phlasphythere were a few guys in here that had that thing where there ears alwas ringing
20:06:35phlasphyare any of them here now?
20:06:46zylchemy ears ring at times..
20:06:51phlasphyat times
20:06:54zylcheFor some odd reason so does my phone though..
20:07:10idoomedim not to goog with dos what dose this mean
20:07:14idoomedPress START on your taskbar, choose RUN and type in the box (minus quotes): "command" You should now be looking at a command prompt. If you don't know basic DOS commands, here is what you need to know: Use 'cd' to change dir (format: cd [dir]) IE: "cd .." to go UP one, "cd ROCKBOX" to enter a path "ROCKBOX"
20:07:28idoomedi got the command prompt up
20:07:43phlasphyzylche, do they ring when you are not on the phone?
20:07:55zylcheno, my ears only ring when my phone starts rining
20:07:58zylche*ringing
20:08:03zylcheit's really annoying and weird..
20:08:08phlasphyis this a joke
20:08:14zylcheWell, technicaly no..
20:08:20zylcheIt's the truth..
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20:08:33Gnelik:)))
20:08:34phlasphywell is it the phone going RING RING RING
20:08:38idoomedhey can some one help me plz
20:08:43zylche..I never thought of that!
20:08:48phlasphyFFS
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20:12:07Gneliklinuxstb: Tell me please what i must do or give some example
20:12:59idoomedUse 'cd' to change dir (format: cd [dir]) IE: "cd .." to go UP one, "cd ROCKBOX" to enter a path "ROCKBOX"
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20:13:33idoomedi dont get this the dir is on mydesktop in a folder called video what do i type
20:14:03idoomedhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VideoTutorial#How_To_Convert_AVI_to_RVF_Window
20:14:46idoomednvm NOW it wants to work
20:14:47phlasphyzylche, i am sorry all i am hearing is ringing in my ears
20:15:09zylchewhat?
20:15:26idoomedum evry now and then it happens to me on a scale of 1-10 how loud is it
20:15:43phlasphyumm 10 being what
20:16:19webguest95Gnelik: are you trying to write a gnuplot type app on rockbox?
20:16:55phlasphyidoomed, i cant really tell the volume it is just there?
20:17:43Gnelikwebguest95: not so powerfull
20:17:58preglownot the worst idea ever
20:18:09preglowat least it'll be faster than my ti-89 :)
20:18:30webguest95i'm certainly interested. Any way i can help?
20:18:57Gnelikwebguest95: Wee need to begin at first :)
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20:19:30webguest95right
20:19:42idoomedum try not to thik about it ya know do somting else that SOMETIMES helps me
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20:20:18phlasphyidoomed, :( hope it goes away
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20:21:15idoomeduh? my ears arnt riging right now
20:21:31Gnelikwebguest95: The firs thing is to implent 2d plots.
20:21:34phlasphyi heard some peoples do it constantly
20:21:45GnelikFor this we need expression parser i think
20:23:09preglowmy ears always ring
20:23:12preglowthe little buggers
20:23:44phlasphywell it is not really my ears if i block my ears i still hear it at the same volume
20:23:46phlasphy:(
20:24:04preglowi think everyone has some degree of tinnitus
20:24:29preglowsure, you won't get rid of it
20:24:33preglowbetter just get used to it
20:24:42rmrmghello, i have iriver H340 and rockbox 03.12.2006 and i found bug, after the last song in dir the player switch off instead of go to next dir
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20:24:53phlasphyi just noticed it :(
20:25:07jhMikeSpreglow: you were gonna make pitch and time stretching independently controllable? I read it and wanted to ask but I've been busy busy.
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20:25:38preglowjhMikeS: well, there's no point in disallowing it. i don't think it'll be any harder than just allowing both at once
20:26:03*petur points jhMikeS to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6409 :)
20:26:03rmrmgthis problem was also in rockbox 29.11.2006 but about 1 mounts ago everything was ok
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20:28:14jhMikeSpetur: thanks :)
20:28:34peturyou're welcome ;)
20:29:01peturgot me scared for a moment but the file was ok (phew)
20:29:08jhMikeSpetur: absolutely sure it's I04 (if you remember correctly :)?
20:29:20peturI think it was, yes
20:29:31phlasphybrb
20:29:33peturbut not absolutely...
20:30:42jhMikeSobviously the problems very very late in the process :\
20:31:13peturor related with me trying to stop/shutdown asap
20:31:58peturuh.. real life interrupt, back in 30mins (I hope)
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20:32:12jhMikeSit should be able to have the button pressed rapidly with no problem. were you using voice? I04 is IllInstr.
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20:34:13jhMikeSpreglow: what sort of algorithm? I remeber something about it being time domain, not frequency.
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20:37:01preglowjhMikeS: it basically just slices audio into frames of n samples, then overlaps them at positions deemed the most suitable by an autocorrelation analysis
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20:37:23preglowthe resamples to achieve the desired effect
20:37:27preglows/the/then/
20:38:18preglowgoogle soundstretch
20:38:23preglowgpl lib we can base our code on
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20:40:52idoomedhey how do i make myown channel on irc
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20:42:16preglowidoomed: you join it
20:43:12idoomedthats it but dont i need to put a bot there so its always there
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20:44:35preglowdunno how it works on freenode, see what services chanserv has
20:44:47preglow/msg chanserv help
20:44:48preglowor something
20:45:05preglowfreenode probably has some other help channel for this anyway, i suggest you find it
20:45:43idoomedis there a website i can go to that gives me all of this kind of info
20:46:02preglowgoogle freenode
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20:46:48idoomedok
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20:48:37jhMikeSThe clips basically sound pretty good. The bad ones are tempo slowdowns (closet echo sound).
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20:49:32preglowcan't be avoided with time-domain techniques
20:49:38preglowand even barely by freqdomain ones
20:53:05peturjhMikeS: voice not enabled but I do have a voice file present in the lang dir (so the buffer is reserved iirc)
20:54:19jhMikeSpetur: that's enough to cause the codec to load and swap
20:54:34peturis it?
20:54:58peturAll voice is disabled in settings
20:55:22jhMikeSyes...if the file's present then it makes provisions for the possibility of voice being turned on later
20:55:39peturright
20:55:49*petur moves voice file away
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20:59:17*jhMikeS wishes petur wrote down the exception details
20:59:46peturheh... in the middle of a concert doing stealth taping... sure
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21:00:04preglowwe really should bundle the .map file with rockbox.zip
21:01:10*petur moves voice file back and tries to reproduce some more
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21:05:04jhMikeSsomeone else metioned a problem after very long recordings. the recording just does the same stuff over and over. I wonder if something's timing out and causing code to run that shouldn't be running at the time.
21:06:17pondlifeEthical question; if selling an AJBR on eBay, would it be reasonable to sell it with "runs Rockbox" a selling feature and supply it with Rockbox still installed?
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21:06:43preglowcan't see why not
21:06:58pondlifeI will, of course link to rockbox.org on the listing...
21:06:58peturinteresting development here, jhMikeS... it froze now
21:07:27jhMikeSpetur: with the voice file?
21:07:35idoomedwhat kind of file dose the mpeg player play on the nano cause i cant get it to work
21:08:05peturyes... have it record quite a bit (2 mins or 21MB here), then long press stop (shutdown), release and press stop (once or more, must still check)
21:09:10peturand settings not getting saved is a pita
21:09:19idoomedhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VideoTutorial#How_To_Convert_AVI_to_RVF_Window
21:09:39idoomedi tried this but it didne work ^^^^^^^^^^
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21:11:08jhMikeSpetur: was the file ok after that?
21:11:16peturmust check
21:11:28peturlong stop + short stop worked ok
21:11:56peturyup, file was OK
21:13:34petursettings aren't saved when shutting down from inside the menu. has this really always been like that (like amiconn said). it's crap
21:14:11n1sidoomed, that page clearly states that it is only for the old archos players, look at the page here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer and there's no sound for video.
21:14:43peturjhMikeS: BINGO
21:14:50jhMikeSI just did long stop and it shut down while recording. I guess there's no query if it's ok to shut down :\
21:15:01peturI0E:FormErr at 10001A4A
21:15:14jhMikeSthat's the same as the last?
21:15:26peturjust holding stop during recording
21:15:41peturit's not what I had last night
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21:23:07heyJuliusis there a way to see if a daily build has certain patches applied, whitout reading every changelog?
21:23:22petursure
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21:23:31peturcheck the patch
21:23:38peturif it's closed and what date
21:23:42heyJuliusok
21:23:52jhMikeShmmm... what's in the 1000000 addresses again?
21:24:12peturlooky look at mappy map?
21:24:38jhMikeStrying to find it...can look in the lds file
21:25:04petur./build/apps/rockbox.map
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21:25:41peturiram/icode
21:26:04peturand the lot
21:26:38peturthe address I gave seems to relate to DMA1
21:26:39jhMikeSthought so, wanted to be sure
21:26:54petur 0x100019c4 DMA1
21:26:58jhMikeSThat exception has to do with the rte instruction
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21:31:13jhMikeSyeah, it's the last instruction in DMA1, the rte it appears
21:31:51peturshould be the last, because 10001A4C is another block ;)
21:31:53jhMikeSDMA1 is 136 bytes and it's at offset 134
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21:32:30idoomedyawn hello again i had to reboot my pc
21:32:54jhMikeSmy map is different, it's not the last in the last h300 build I made
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21:33:48jhMikeSsomething I still don't know but should: what stack is used for an IRQ handler and where is it?
21:34:07idoomedok how do i make a movie 4 my nano i alredy have seen this site i just need to convert some rvb to what ever format i need
21:34:43idoomedhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
21:36:32linuxstbjhMikeS: I don't know about Coldfire, but on ARM, interrupt context has its own stack - initialised in crt0.S.
21:40:37jhMikeShmmm...I had a problem with freezing on the H120 that moving the DMA1 callback pointer out of IRAM fixed (never found out why) but it seems something else is being trashed now that it's not there.
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21:43:09*jhMikeS hopes iAudio is speedy with the repairs. Have to get the unit out Monday. It's just under the warranty of 1yr (purchased Dec. 21, 2005 !!)
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21:53:18jhMikeSpetur: can you send me the map of your build? might tell me something maybe.
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21:59:58peturpetur/rockbox.map">http://users.telenet.be/petur/rockbox.map I'm not 100% sure it's the same but it should ;)
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22:02:11preglowwhich is why rockbox.zip should be made to include the .map file!
22:03:09jhMikeSpreglow: good idea
22:04:40preglowwould pretty much help a ton for all bug reports which includes a crash address
22:04:46peturyes... good idea... it could be zipped inside the rockbox dir to reduce size...
22:04:56preglowprobably
22:05:02preglowperhaps we should zip all map files, also the plugin ones :>
22:05:07petur162 -> 25 KB
22:05:07preglowand codec ones
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22:09:09jhMikeSit would seem that the only thing that should get in and trash a level7 interrupt handler's stack should be the handler itself
22:11:14jhMikeSif something used by it isn't being corrupted elsewhere... :\
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22:15:19webguest67hey do any of yall know what i need to do to install international firmware on my american H340
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22:16:19preglowwebguest67: a set of hands and some will to do so
22:16:38preglowafaik, there's no checks for firmware region
22:16:42webguest67it doesnt seem to recognize it in the root directory when i tell it to upgrade firmware
22:16:59peturit could be case sensitive
22:17:02preglowi've had that problem on my h120, and i don't know what causes it
22:17:19linuxstbFAT short/long names?
22:18:45webguest67i put the int'l firmware in the root directory, go to "firmware upgrade", but when i click yes nothing happens, it just returns to the menu
22:19:15webguest67hmm..interesting idea, i'll try changing that
22:19:55idoomedhey can i just use the rockbox.ipod file in the daily builds or do i need to re download the .rockbox file to
22:21:22linuxstbidoomed: You need both.
22:21:33idoomedoh ok thanx
22:21:39idoomedehy
22:21:44idoomedi mean why
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22:22:12linuxstb.rockbox contains all the plugins and codecs, which can change as well.
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22:22:42idoomedoh and where are the doom saves kept so i can keep them to
22:23:36idoomedoh and is this illegal because i use this site a bunch http://www.dll-files.com/
22:23:37linuxstbYou don't need to delete your old .rockbox folder - just unzip the new version over the top.
22:23:48idoomedo kool
22:26:25idoomedand when i install a new daily build i still keep my themes and settings right
22:27:14scorchethemes, yes...settings may have to be reset from time to time with certain changes
22:27:58idoomedo thats fine
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22:29:30webguest67hey, figured it out...i needed to format with the player interface, i had formatted it from windows (oops) and apparently it wasn't reading the root directory right
22:29:36idoomedvlc <input> −−sout=#transcode (this is on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer) where it says input what dose that mean (windows verson) and dose the file im converting have to be in that directory
22:30:26preglowlinuxstb: any reason why the mpegplayer patch that allows multiplexed streams to be played isn't commited?
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22:33:40atmos1hi allç
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22:35:01idoomedback in a min
22:35:17jhMikeSpetur: one thing I want to know is, you've haven't encountered any data loss like before since the BRP? I'm guessing you'd report that promptly :)
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22:35:48peturI'll know it when I listen to it tomorrow ;)
22:35:56peturbbl
22:36:14linuxstbpreglow: Have we even decided that MPEG program streams will be the best choice of container format?
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22:38:12idoomedkool i now have the latest build on my nano
22:38:27preglowlinuxstb: right, i didn't know we'd always go for transcoding
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22:39:57preglowdoes the matter of container format even matter that much? do we want anything else than video and audio? if not, then using whatever is standard sounds wise
22:42:01idoomedhey i need help encoding a movie (mpeg or mpg)
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22:42:13jhMikeSWe're starting an official add of video now?
22:42:20idoomedUsing VLC to encode on Windows
22:42:20idoomedOpen a command line prompt and go to the VLC installation directory (default is C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC\ ). Run the following command line:
22:42:20idoomedvlc <input> −−sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=600,width=<the width>,height=<the height>}:es{access-video=file,mux-video=es,dst-video=<filename>.m2v}
22:42:34idoomedok i need help with this
22:43:03idoomedits for a nano w 176 h 132
22:43:09preglowjhMikeS: not exactly, just me throwing questions around
22:43:22idoomeddo i put the file in that dir first
22:43:41linuxstbpreglow: There's issues such as ease of seeking and how the frames are packed. e.g. it would be desirable if the container format provided whole video/audio frames which could possibly mean we can avoid using memcpy.
22:44:18preglowlinuxstb: you know of any containers that do that?
22:44:19idoomeddo i put the video in C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC first
22:44:20jhMikeSI had some thoughts that the audio playback engine could do video codecs without much trouble
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22:44:57linuxstbpreglow: No, but I would like to investigate the options.
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22:45:24linuxstbjhMikeS: I agree - eventually we should integrate video playback into the main playback engine.
22:46:01idoomedhellllllllo
22:46:08amiconnjhMikeS: ISRs use whatever stack was active at the time
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22:47:06jhMikeSlinuxstb: they really don't have to do anything different exept have a place to render the video part :\
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22:47:32amiconnpreglow: Including the .map in the distribution isn probably not a good idea
22:47:36linuxstbThey probably won't fit in the existing 512KB of codec buffer though - especially with the temporary buffers they need for decoding.
22:47:36preglowamiconn: how come?
22:47:58amiconnIf we do, we would in fact have to include all .map files (core, codecs, and plugins)
22:48:17amiconnBut Bagder added code to the build scripts for collecting the .map files
22:48:20peturamiconn: maybe in another type of build for testers/devs?
22:48:21idoomedhellllllllllllo any can you help me
22:48:23preglowamiconn: i don't see anything wrong with that, but why would we have to do that?
22:48:37amiconnThere should be a place where we devs can pick up the matching .map files
22:48:45preglowidoomed: don't you think someone would have helped you if they felt like it?
22:48:53amiconnpreglow: .zip size....
22:49:05preglowamiconn: the main map itself would add around 30kb
22:49:08preglowamiconn: not a big deal
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22:49:53preglowamiconn: the most important map files to include would be main rockbox and codecs
22:51:05amiconnNot a big deal for people with broadband connections, but quite a deal if you're limited to modem / isdn / gprs
22:51:11preglowamiconn: i don't care if the map files are bundled or whatever, as long as we can get them from some place
22:51:24amiconnAnd the user doesn't need the .map files anyway, the developers do
22:51:47preglowthey don't need them no, but i'm sure they'll appreciate having the info available to help fix a bug
22:52:03preglowbut like i said, i don't care if they're bundled, as long as i can get my hands on a correct map
22:52:04amiconnAs long as the version string within rockbox is correct, it should be simple to pick up the correct .map files from elsewhere
22:52:07jhMikeSlinuxstb: still seems a pretty straightforward path for the most part. audio can still go through the way it does now.
22:53:13*amiconn is about to commit the target tree completion for the ata driver
22:53:17linuxstbjhMikeS: I'm pretty sure I agree with you. But developing mpegplayer to a working state seems to be the first step towards that.
22:53:29amiconnMore than 700 lines extracted from ata.c and put in separate files :)
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22:54:06jhMikeSlinuxstb: that's definitely a good starting point :)
22:54:07amiconnMaybe I have to replace one of the new asm sources again in a few days
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22:56:13amiconnSlasheri: You introduced a pretty obvious overflow bug in fat_size()
22:56:24jhMikeSamiconn: I'm wondering how anything could trash the DMA1 stack except the handler itself...either directly or by it using data corrupted at another time and place.
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22:56:45amiconnjhMikeS: COuld be almost anything...
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22:58:33jhMikeSis there anything else that can execute when in the handler besides the handler (since it's level 7).
22:59:06amiconnNo, but what if memory is already trashed before?
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23:01:26jhMikeSthat's the other possibility I meant and that means DMA1 would have to have trashed data that causes it's execution to be faulty?
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23:05:05Soapso what was your question, idoomed?
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23:05:44Soapreplace <input> with the name (or full path) of the input file.
23:06:11Soapreplace <the width> with the width of your screen
23:06:23Soapreplace <the height> with the height of your screen
23:06:43idoomedfilename?
23:06:48Soapreplace <filename> with the name you wish to call your output file
23:07:01markunamiconn, preglow, petur: do we have a wiki page describing the coding style for rockbox? I'm searching but can't find it.
23:07:25idoomedok thanks dose this work with a mpg file
23:07:27peturthe contributing page
23:07:41preglowmarkun: what there is is in docs/CONTRIBUTING too
23:08:06preglowvery little (too little for my taste) is specified
23:08:17Soapidoomed: I assume VLC can take MPEG1 or 2 video as input.
23:08:28preglowi can take almost everything
23:08:30preglowit too
23:08:50peturis rockbox.org slow or should I give my ISP a bad look?
23:09:00Soapthe forums are very slow right now.
23:09:16markunpreglow: ok, gotthardt in #gigabeat was asking about doxygen comments
23:09:17peturmarkun: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/contributing.html
23:09:41preglowmarkun: nothing says you can't use those, and i myself would like to see people use them more
23:10:03preglowif only because i really miss that kind of documentation in rockbox
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23:13:51idoomedhey i noticed in the rock doom plugin theres an addon folder whats that for
23:14:14idoomedi mean what can i put there cheats,mods,etc
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23:17:07preglowhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
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23:18:56idoomedoh ya i forgot to check there thanks
23:20:36idoomedok the wad i got in here goes in addons right http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=11
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23:35:23amiconnSlasheri!!
23:35:32preglowis not here
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23:36:33*jhMikeS notices amiconn says that alot :)
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23:36:56amiconnhrmh
23:37:13*linuxstb notices amiconn says that a lot as well
23:37:20zylchehrmh
23:37:26zylcheis not here
23:37:33*Bagder notices people saying hrmh
23:37:37zylchehrmh
23:37:39zylcheyou do?
23:37:40zylchehrmh
23:37:57*petur thinks amiconn found a bug
23:38:16amiconnEven in spite of the danger of someone pointing out that I say another thing often: I wonder whether people _test_ their changes before commit
23:38:53amiconnI usually do. The fat.c changes don't look like they're thoroughly tested
23:39:14n1sIsn't that what "users" are for? :-D
23:39:31amiconnHrrm :(
23:39:43*petur slaps n1s around with a fat bug
23:40:16*n1s hides
23:41:09*zylche gives nls a blanket of hiding
23:42:03amiconnFAT bugs can be nasty.
23:42:17*amiconn wonders whether n1s would like a silently corrupted filesystem
23:42:38n1sof course!
23:42:40preglowat least he pointed out they're possible in his commit message
23:42:40preglowheh
23:42:54linuxstbpreglow: That's not his best defence...
23:43:11n1sanyway, gnight.
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23:43:17amiconnpreglow: The bad thing is that there are suspicious things in it which are built for _all_ ata targets
23:43:19peturcritical code should be tested and reviewed before commit
23:43:21amiconnNot just G5.5
23:43:23preglowamiconn: how likely is a corrupted filesystem hapenning?
23:43:25*zylche fails to mention the blanket also fails to hide people, more knock them out...
23:43:37petursame goes for the settings rework
23:44:15amiconnpreglow: The 2 things I fixed locally are not of the corruption type, but the simple fact of pretty obvious bugs being present makes the changes suspect
23:44:48amiconnHah, and Slasheri broke rombox for the Ondio
23:45:14*amiconn thinks of fulfilling his promise :grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:
23:45:26preglowif you feel this strongly about, then revert it
23:45:33preglowsitting here yelling for slasheri will do no good
23:46:02zylcheDAMN YOU SLASHERI! YOU STOLE MY PICNIC BASKET!
23:46:34preglowit is nearly twelve and at least some chance he'll be sleeping, so you might be sitting here yelling for a long time
23:46:39*petur is happy he didn't break rombox :)
23:46:55peturbeware of the wrath of amiconn
23:47:29zylcheDAMN YOU SLASERI! YOU MADE ME YELL ALL NIGHT!
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23:47:44peturplease stop the yelling
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23:48:10amiconnI also wonder why file.c needs to be changed at all. It should be able to work on 512 byte sectors the same way as before
23:48:52amiconnIt worked on sectors before, and the unit of calculation on a fat file system has always been clusters, which are most of the time larger than one sector
23:49:20jhMikeScan rombox take an enhancement of the philips tuner tuning/searching? it's very solid in that regard but adds a little size.
23:49:40*preglow thinks we should stop worrying about rombox when coding rockbox...
23:50:28preglowthe poor little thing needs a fork
23:50:34*pixelma thinks that rombox could be a good reminder to keep code efficiant and clean....
23:50:39*jhMikeS feels obligated to ask since some really like it
23:50:40amiconnThe code, as-is, looks like it might break very easily on G5.5. Putting multiple 2K sector buffers on the stack cannot be good
23:51:03preglowpixelma: a reminde which obviously doesn't work
23:51:06amiconnpreglow: That sounds like a very bad suggestion
23:51:17preglowamiconn: depends on your viewpoint ;)
23:51:32amiconnThe archos isn't even the target with the tightest memory requirements
23:51:42amiconnThink about the iFP
23:51:48amiconn1MB, and SWCODEC
23:52:35preglowhaha
23:52:39preglowlike i said, depends on your viewpoint
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23:52:56amiconnI can't see the funniness in that, sorry
23:53:52preglowthen you take this way too seriously
23:54:02preglowanywho, this is about my bedtime
23:54:03*petur agrees with the clean/efficient viewpoint
23:54:05amiconnRockbox is multi-platform
23:54:07preglowsee you all later
23:54:19amiconn..and one of the main principles is KISS
23:54:23*petur also agrees with it being bedtime
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23:54:41amiconnIt seems to me that this principle is more and more neglected
23:58:14jhMikeSondio fm doesn't have rombox, right? e200? h10? <= the only TEA5767 ports I'm not sure of where size is concerned (~200).
23:58:38amiconnOndio FM did have rombox until today :(
23:58:39pixelmajhMikeS: it had till today...
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