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#rockbox log for 2006-12-06

00:00:16 Quit TeaSea (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
00:00:20habanaMy_Sic: un sansa pas encore supporté complètement (work in progress)
00:00:28 Quit bluebrother ("sleep")
00:00:30dan_ahabana: No. You can only put MI4 files on in recovery mode.
00:00:53My_Sicsansa ? je connai pas
00:00:54habanadan_a:k .so wait a bit
00:01:19Paul_the_NerdMy_Sic: 3.0 is a long way off, just use a daily build or cvs build.
00:01:38My_Sic... or my own build ... :-)
00:02:21habanaMy_Sic: très joli , bon hardware, assez de place pour moi (6go) et surtout pas un ipod
00:02:34Paul_the_NerdI mean, when 3.0 does happen, it's pretty much going to be identical to the daily build of the day before it, anyway
00:02:43habanaMy_Sic: http://dormrf.free.fr/blog/index.php/2006/11/06/172-firmware-libre-rockbox-pour-mon-sansa-e270-mp3-player-6gb#co
00:03:20My_Sicit's just because, each time i update rockbox from cvs, and compile my own rockbox, i have to fix some bugs with my patch, and it's borring. Many of this patch will be in the next release so i'm waiting for it's
00:03:32My_Siclol
00:03:36My_Sicmoi aussi je dteste l'ipod
00:03:39My_Sicmais bon j'avai un bon plan
00:03:44My_Sicalors j'ai aps trop eu le choix
00:04:38habanadan_a: too dumb, i had forgoten to put the decrypted OF ...
00:04:48My_Sic6go moi je pourrai pas, dj que 60go je peu pas y contenir toute ma musique ...
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00:05:36dan_ahabana: As long as it's working :D
00:05:54habanadan_a: dunno yet.indexing
00:05:55 Quit midkay ("*poff*")
00:06:21habanaMy_Sic: moi non plus mais j'écoute par tranches de 6 go ;)
00:06:35preglowand suddenly they switched to speaking english
00:06:39preglowremarkable, they said
00:06:39My_Sicmoi je suis souvent en dplacement alors j'aime bien avoir tout sur moi.
00:06:50My_Sicalors a en ai o pour le rockbox sur sansa?
00:06:54preglowthat was a hint
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00:08:01habanaMy_Sic: ca boot sur l'un ou l'autre , il parait que ca buggue encore bien et la puce DSP n'est pas utilisable en l'état.
00:08:06Mode"#rockbox +o preglow " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
00:08:12*Bagder offers another "hint"
00:08:23My_Sictu t'en occupe ou tu suis juste l'avancement ?
00:08:27Bagderguys
00:08:29preglowboys, english
00:08:30Bagderenglish in here
00:09:04habanaMy_Sic: ce qui m'avait plu, c'est que SanDisk avait contacté les dev pour un portage. ais ils n'ont pas aidé du tout :(
00:09:16preglowyou're free to speak french, piglatin and catonese in private
00:09:16habanapreglow:sorry
00:09:19preglowthis is a logged channel
00:09:33My_Sicok
00:09:34My_Sicsorry
00:10:42PaulPositionHey.. Hello there Barrywardell. I could report that my H10 has happily dualbooted a few times. −− I've been having some problems with 'crossfeed' that freeze my player dead with an data abort but that might have to do with the many patches I put in..
00:10:54preglowbarrywardell: i can also report my total lack of progress
00:10:57PaulPositionBarrywardell - Oh, and thanks.
00:11:03Mode"#rockbox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no)
00:11:09barrywardell:) and :(
00:11:31preglowat this point i think i've uncommented every part of the code
00:11:37preglowso i must be doing something really, really stupid
00:11:41preglowwouldn't be the first time
00:11:47barrywardellpreglow: i have a lend of an ipod color now, so i'm gonna test on that
00:11:52preglowbarrywardell: cool
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00:12:30habanabarrywardell:
00:12:37ender`anybody interested in an .ogg file that seems to lock up rockbox?
00:12:45habanaboots on sansa
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00:13:09habanafor the moment, got a -4 error (missed a file)
00:13:39habanadan_a: free mem 3656
00:13:48habanaMB
00:14:35barrywardellerror -4 is a weird one.
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00:14:51dan_aDoes Rockbox boot correctly?
00:15:47habanannnnnnnn yes
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00:18:28habanabut top and down button dont work correctly with Rockbox.they only can go on first and last file/dir in a directory or a menu.Unless only wheel will do that ?
00:18:57barrywardellthe current keymap has only the wheel doing that
00:19:18habanaso logicla
00:19:24habanalogical
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00:29:06habanaSo i suppose i'll only need to update .rockbox to have latest build ? it would be much faster to test
00:29:33dan_a.rockbox and rockbox.e200
00:29:33barrywardell.rockbox and rockbox.e200
00:29:40barrywardellbeat me to it :)
00:30:23habanaGREAT !
00:30:53 Quit ender` (" I think that's how Chicago got started. A bunch of people in New York said, 'Gee, I'm enjoying the crime and the poverty, bu)
00:31:38habanabecause i must admit that i had to reformat Bagder a few times . the file system didnt enjoy that much forced reboots
00:31:51habanaerrr lol
00:33:02habananot Bagder, Sansa
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00:35:59dan_aWhat do I need to do to enable the settings to be cleared when the hold switch is on?
00:38:51habanapress rec ?
00:39:27dan_aNo, it will be something in the code, but I can't find it
00:39:41habanasry
00:42:18linuxstb_dan_a: It's in apps/main.c.
00:42:36dan_alinuxstb_: Thanks
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00:47:07habanaI dont find the gui boot from Gnelik. Any pastebin or code to offer ?
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00:54:25preglowany swedes around that can tell me what "luddig" means? :>
00:55:27pixelmano swede here, but: http://lexikon.nada.kth.se/cgi-bin/swe-eng
00:55:28dan_aOK, so the button for resetting settings at bootup is SETTINGS_RESET, but there doesn't seem to be any consistency as to where this is set. Does anybody have any objections if I clean this up a bit?
00:56:03preglowpixelma: hah, thanks
00:56:36preglowswedish is the funniest sounding language in existence
00:56:59dan_ahabana: There is a pastebin - have a look at the logs from around 24th November
00:57:52barrywardelldan_a: i think it would be good to clean it up a bit.
00:59:07habanadan_a:thanks
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01:00:47dan_abarrywardell: Yes. I think I'll look at that tomorrow. Now I'm off to bed, though.
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01:14:13habanapartial http://pastebin.ca/258405
01:16:57barrywardellthe new crt0-pp.S doesn't work on the color ipod either :(
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01:32:10JdGordonbarrywardell: if i remember, ill test the crt0 on my sisters nano tonight if no one else has tested the nano yet
01:32:50barrywardelli think preglow tested on his nano with the same result - no success
01:33:07JdGordonok
01:34:06barrywardellfeel free to try figure out why it's not working though ;)
01:37:23zylcheIt may have something to do with the flux capacitor being misaligned.
01:38:09JdGordonif I had any knowledge of arm assembly I would help out..
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01:46:10fasmaieHello
01:46:38fasmaieHas anyone got track rating to work on 4g iPod?
01:46:38danthemanhi
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09:56:29Slasheriamiconn: probably found the problem now..
09:56:46SlasheriLinusN: i will create a new patch for you, the previous was buggy
09:58:58Slasheriamiconn: yep.. coldfire_set_pllcr_audio_bits needs to be called before setting the cpu frequency
09:59:31Slasherithat sets the CRSEL register correctly
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10:00:26Slasheriand probably without setting those bits, the input frequency divider is not set
10:01:26Slasheriamiconn: same problem also happens when loading from disk and setting cpu frequency to FREQ_MAX, it crashes immediately
10:01:39Slasheriunless audiobits are set first
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10:04:59Slasheriamiconn: and crt0 always clears the PLLCR
10:05:04Slasherithat would certainly explain it
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10:06:10Slasherihi pondlife :) hopefully you don't mind i removed the boost tracking code
10:06:18pondlifeQuite the opposite!
10:06:23pondlifeYou saved me doing it
10:06:29Slasherihehe :D
10:06:37Slasherii will implement soon a more robust version of it
10:06:42Slasheriand a lot simpler :)
10:06:44pondlifeThere's a much better one in Flyspray
10:06:50Slasherioh
10:06:58Slasherigive me a link :)
10:07:02pondlifeNot simpler... but better
10:07:10pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6200
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10:07:16pondlifeProbably doesn't apply cleanly
10:07:44pondlifeEven more overkill too!!
10:07:58Slasheri:D lets see ;)
10:08:16pondlifeUses __FILE__ and __FUNCTION__ instead of IDs
10:08:18Slasheriwhat about just a simple feature that uses logf?
10:08:25Slasheriwould not need to maintain buffers
10:08:26pondlifeNo
10:08:38pondlifeI want to watch it in real time, on target
10:09:15Slasheriah, but that's better still.. at least cpu_boost syntax is not changed
10:09:36pondlifeI don't know if it will help much now that most boosting is automatic.
10:10:33pondlifeFor me the main use of any boost tracking would be for any user who spots an unexpected boost to be able to say "ah, that'll be dircache", or whatever.
10:10:45pondlifei.e. To distinguish bugs from non-bugs
10:10:57pondlifeIf it doesn't do that, there's little point.
10:11:04Slasherihmm, true
10:11:13pondlifeIdeally it should be tiny and included in all builds, not just logf
10:11:19Slasheribtw, with scheduler maintained boosts that would be even simpler!
10:11:35Slasheriyou just go through all task states and find out which tasks are boosted
10:11:48pondlifeI really need to get up to speed with Rockbox again. We may already store this info....
10:11:54Slasheriand you even get the tasks name from the thread name..
10:12:01Slasheriyou add boost status to the os stack view
10:12:07Slasheri*could add
10:12:13pondlifeThat's a better idea
10:12:49pondlifeII'm about 2 months out of date on everything but basic testing at the moment :(
10:13:14markunSlasheri: are there any drawbacks with boosting in the scheduler?
10:14:04pondlifeWe still need manual boosting (for buffering, I would think, at least).
10:14:09Slasherimarkun: current implementation has just one possible drawback, boost state is also maintained over blocked calls, such as queue_wait or semaphore locks
10:14:38Slasheriyou need to put the thread to sleep to do the unboosting on the thread level
10:14:40jhMikeSSlasheri: I got the audio bits setting in the wrong order I see. What changed that caused problems or was it always a problem for anything but x5?
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10:15:25SlasherijhMikeS: there was always that issue but it was not visible until now
10:15:45SlasherijhMikeS: flash was slower and 1 wait state with wrong cpu speed was not enough
10:16:03SlasherijhMikeS: so that issue needs to be fixed on iaudio too
10:16:09jhMikeSI guess for x5 the bootloader isn't the first code to set up the chip and I never put in a different bootloader on the H120
10:16:37Slasherior modify the set_audiobits code so that it won't touch the CRSEL register
10:16:52Slasheriand set CRSEL in set_cpu_frequency
10:18:00Slasherihmm.. maybe i will change that, because CRSEL shouldn't be audio related or is it?
10:18:41jhMikeShold on...it might be needed for samplerate switching. can't remember
10:18:59jhMikeSwhich bits are CRSEL?
10:19:03Slasheriah, well changing the function call order is just enough
10:19:04Slasheribit 23
10:21:48jhMikeShmmm... I'm always setting bits 22 and 23 to the same value. samplerate don't depend on it it turns out
10:22:55jhMikeSOnly need to change CLSEL (28-30)
10:24:07jhMikeSjust mask out the ability to change of bits 22 and 23 in that function
10:25:14amiconnSlasheri: That's not entirely true. set_cpu_frequency() used to set the whole PLLCR register until jhMikeS changed that
10:26:58jhMikeSamiconn: Setting samplrates evolved to not require any change to CRSEL and AUDIOSEL. They're always set the same no matter what.
10:27:56*jhMikeS will take all the blame :)
10:28:30Slasheriamiconn: ah
10:28:46jhMikeSanyway, those can just be set in set_cpu_frequency and all will be fine
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10:30:11SlasherijhMikeS: i will just mask out bit 23 then
10:30:13habanahi
10:31:14habanai wondered if its possible to change keymaps on the fly and reboot on rockbox with changes applied
10:31:44jhMikeSslasheri: go ahead and do both. samplerates don't require it, only CLSEL bits need to be preserved/changed
10:32:07SlasherijhMikeS: but bit 22 is audio bit..
10:32:19Slasherithat might be better to set that other place
10:32:20markunamiconn, linuxstb_: is it ok if I commit my audio driver unification changes in a few steps while I am working on it?
10:32:37jhMikeSas long as it doesn't cause problems for set_cpu_frequency, then I guess it doesn't matter
10:35:05jhMikeSThe diagram of CRSEL on page 4-1 isn't entirely clear what it does if it's supposed to be the input to the PLL. :\
10:38:18SlasherijhMikeS: note 3. Fin is input frequency to PLL.
10:40:49linuxstb_markun: Sounds sensible to me.
10:41:57markunlinuxstb_: the first commit will only be function renaming
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10:44:50jhMikeSSlasheri: guess I got my head goofed after all the contradictions in that section :P
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10:45:17Slasherihehe :) but that is almost fixed now
10:45:28JdGordonis there somethin ron with the wiki?
10:45:39JdGordons/ron/wrong
10:45:50JdGordonthe wiki link just stays on the rb frontpage
10:45:52amiconnmarkun: Doing it in steps is perfectly ok, as long as that doesn't break something
10:46:01jhMikeSSlasheri: LinusN even sent in a support request for what the correct CLSEL chart was :)
10:46:16LinusNand i got an answer too
10:46:33Slasheri:)
10:46:48jhMikeSLinusN: yeah, ColdFire Init
10:46:50amiconnBtw, my first boot of an ata-dma-enabled rockbox didn't work too well :/
10:47:02amiconn"No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it."
10:49:39LinusNjhMikeS: well, they said "The table shown in page 4-3 is the correct one, I suggest you to use the ColdFire init configuration tool for creating the system set-up and initialization."
10:51:07linuxstbamiconn: Which platform?
10:51:29jhMikeSlol...I'll never forget. That all reads to me like "Hey dumbass, just use _our_ program and leave the hard stuff to us." :)
10:53:35amiconnlinuxstb: H1x0
10:55:05amiconnjhMikeS: 16 samples latency with dma??
10:56:34jhMikeSyes
10:56:52jhMikeS6+6+4
10:57:03amiconnI'd expect a latency of dma_block_size plus something
10:57:29Slasherinow those bits should be fixed.. testing and committing
10:57:37jhMikeStwo 6-sample fifos plus tranferring one sample per interrupt with some slack
10:57:57jhMikeSit played just fine
10:59:14jhMikeSnot really something I'd do in practice though :)
10:59:48amiconnThe interrupt is just fired at the end of a dma blkc, not every sample afaik
10:59:55SlasheriLinusN: now rombox works great :)
10:59:56amiconn*dma block
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11:00:34jhMikeSI set the transfer size to 4
11:01:02amiconnugh
11:01:06jhMikeSIt's auto aligned and it took it quite well
11:01:18amiconnThen you're flooded with interrupts...
11:01:37jhMikeSJust for testing. It still uses line transfers with AA enabled
11:03:25amiconnA transfer size of 4 won't use line transfer
11:03:39jhMikeSI made the routine only process one sample per interrupt (no looping in it) but the tranfer size was still 16 with AA
11:03:51amiconnDMA AA handles this, and uses one long transfer if it's aligned properly
11:04:14jhMikeSOf course not, in practice I would never do that but you can cut it that close.
11:05:09jhMikeSWhen testing the plugin in a real context I used 16 sample blocks line aligned
11:05:15jhMikeSor 4 rather
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11:06:13jhMikeSrecording still uses line-aligned 8192 byte chunks
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11:11:59jhMikeShaving recording at level 6 will allow playback at level 7 to interrupt and grab data right?
11:13:32SlasheriLinusN: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/rombox_iriver_4.patch and http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/bootloader7-pre2.iriver
11:13:40Slasheriplease try with those, should work better now :)
11:13:59Slasherifirst flash bootloader using the iriver_flash-plugin and after that rombox.iriver and/or rockbox.iriver
11:14:52Slasheriand using the latest cvs
11:14:53LinusNno time right now...
11:15:05Slasheriok, but later when you have :)
11:15:44Slasherihere it's independece day so no work today ;)
11:19:46Slasheriamiconn: if you would like to try rombox too, you may try :)
11:20:17Slasherijust tested that reset cookie works correctly for original fw and rombox
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11:23:03jhMikeSSlasheri: is it tradition to make bricks on independence day? :D *joking*
11:23:12Slasheri:D
11:23:28Slasherithat should not brick on h120/h140, seems quite stable now :)
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11:24:25*jhMikeS will just let the one with the BDM determine that ;)
11:24:25Slasheriah, and that bootloader needs to be renamed to bootloader.iriver
11:24:34Slasherior flash plugin wont recognize it
11:24:37Slasheri=)
11:25:37webguest25unlucky, i cant compile dev toolkit from fedora-fc6 vmware ...
11:25:55webguest25Someone know a vmware image a could use ?
11:26:08scorchewhy dont you check the wiki?
11:26:16scorchespecifically the page about setting up VMware
11:26:19Slasherijust use debian :) but i don't know about vmware images
11:26:27bluebrotherSlasheri: what's the difference between rombox and a flashed iriver?
11:26:42scorcheSlasheri: there is a debian rockbox dev image
11:26:43webguest25Slasheri: got ubuntu at home
11:26:46Slasheribluebrother: current flashing allows you only to put ram image in flash
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11:26:54Slasherinow that patch allows both ram and rom images
11:27:00webguest25scorche: great !
11:27:10bluebrotherah. nice.
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11:32:02webguest25found http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform
11:33:22markundamn, a new personal highscore..
11:33:39*jhMikeS realizes he doesn't get the "jhMikeS!!" from amiconn that indicates one is doing the real cutting edge daredevil stuff :)
11:33:55webguest25markun: for what ?
11:34:07markunfor breaking rockbox
11:34:21markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
11:34:23webguest25im a good challenger ;)
11:34:35webguest25locally
11:34:47scorchemarkun: weak...
11:36:12hcsI think that's his way of saying "you will have to train harder to defeat me!"
11:37:40scorchenot really...my high score is 0...
11:38:12hcsand I haven't even had my chance at the big time
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11:47:32jhMikeSThere's a bunch of #define ac_* that should go in that case from pcm-coldfire.c
11:48:08markunjhMikeS: didn't I already remove them?
11:48:19jhMikeSI don't knwo fir sure
11:48:31markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/target/coldfire/pcm-coldfire.c.diff?r1=1.7&r2=1.8
11:48:37jhMikeSahh guess you did, sorry
11:48:50LinusNmarkun: "and this one" is not a very good checkin comment
11:48:59markunLinusN: yes, sorry
11:49:13markungot a bit frustrated
11:49:35markunI'll change the comments
11:49:48jhMikeSmarkun: I think pcm_mute could possible be moved back into the non-targeted pcm functions then
11:51:28amiconnmarkun: A more descriptive commit message would have been better..
11:51:49markunamiconn: for the 2nd two? I'll change them
11:51:59amiconnThis way it's hard to relate the files to the "first step in audio driver unification"
11:52:00markunlast two..
11:52:12JdGordonamiconn: i have a sneeking feeling the locking mechanism on ata_idle_nofity is stuffed
11:52:22jhMikeSmarkun: the one in pcm-coldfire should be identical to the one in pcm_playback.c now so it can join ranks with pcm_play_data and the like
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11:55:36CassandraWhew! Holy checkins, batman.
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11:56:17bl00dlustHello, can somebody help me with a little problem?
11:57:06CassandraI believe there are millions of spammers who would be happy to ... oh, you mean something else.
11:57:10CassandraWhat's the problem?
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11:57:31bl00dlustDoes anyone know where the settings are in rockbox to alter the sensitivity of the clickwheel? Mine is far too low....
11:57:55CassandraI don't believe it's currently settable.
11:58:16bl00dlustawww :( Thanks anyways Cassandra, I appreciate your help
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11:58:31CassandraThere's a patch in the tracker to do accelleration like the Apple firmware, but I don't think it's ready for inclusion in the main source yet.
11:59:20bl00dlustahhh, okay :)
11:59:26jhMikeSSlasheri: Shouln't the lines like "PLLCR = 0x00000200 | (PLLCR & 0x70c00000);" be more like "PLLCR = 0x00800200 | (PLLCR & 0x70400000);" ?
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12:00:40markunamiconn: should be better now
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12:09:47CassandraAnyone remember the address of the Rockbox cvs committers mailing list?
12:09:54*JdGordon wants conditionally logf-ing, PITA trying to debug one funciton with a million useless logf calls flooding the remote
12:10:05SlasherijhMikeS: that should be correct, pll is bypassed at this point
12:10:38SlasherijhMikeS: and CRSEL is later written back correctly when enabling PLL again
12:10:59safetydanCassandra, isn't it rockbox-committers at cool.haxx.se?
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12:11:32Cassandrasafetydan, sounds about right. I lost my entire addressbook in a freak Thunderbird accident. :(
12:11:48*JdGordon thought that 1 was secret?
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12:12:17safetydanI imagine that non subscribers can't send emails to it
12:13:00JdGordonpixelma: hey, thanks for the testing, I've been doing almost no coding the whole week, but I will ge to it all soonish.. hopefully
12:13:10Cassandradamn, now I've let the cat out of the bag, where will we badmouth our users?
12:13:18safetydanIRC, same place as usual
12:13:22JdGordon:)
12:13:24CassandraI don't think it's secret, exactly.
12:13:31pixelmaJdGordon: nice.. hope you don't give up :)
12:14:36JdGordonpixelma: i go on and off that patch, so sometimes it sure feels like i have
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12:22:50safetydanWee... first commit in months.
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12:22:55safetydanHopefully nothing breaks.
12:25:06JdGordondoes the link to the changlogs on the cvs page work for anyone?
12:25:22JdGordonand the wiki link
12:28:35safetydanJdGordon, both work for me
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12:29:00JdGordondamn, ok, somethin on my end must be stuffed
12:32:08jhMikeSSlasheri: Right, I see you set bit 23 unconditionally for the non-default frequencies. blah :P It is already what I was getting at. *tired*
12:33:26CassandraRight - that's my good deed for the day done. Let's see if anything comes of it.
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12:35:33safetydanyeesh... my C skills have eroded mightily
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12:41:53*JdGordon is getting frustrated with the dirchache prev size variabl!
12:43:09safetydanAnyone see any problems with implementing the cut/copy and paste operations as plugins? Similar to the properties plugin.
12:43:47safetydanThe only hitch at the moment is where to store the selected file.
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12:47:23jhMikeSsafetydan: yes, if you're running a TSR plugin like battery_bench for instance
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12:48:31linuxstbI could live with not having cut/copy and paste available when a TSR plugin is running though.
12:48:48safetydanCan't other plugins be loaded when a TSR plugin is resident?
12:49:27jhMikeSno
12:49:37*bluebrother would prefer a "copy / move to" instead of cut / copy & paste"
12:50:33safetydanbluebrother, what would "move to" do different from cut then paste in the destination?
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12:50:35jhMikeSthose features can't possibly have much overhead. I'd like multiple file selection personally. Maybe I'll add it :)
12:50:48JdGordonwhy the heck is the audio thread requesting a buffer refill if audio is stopped?
12:51:46jhMikeSJdGordon: getting the playback.c blues are ya?
12:51:52bluebrothersafetydan: you wouldn't "cut" something and not knowing what you have cut but instead instantly point to the target location
12:52:11JdGordonjhMikeS: no, unrealted, but this could b causinmg major problems with saving settings
12:52:24JdGordoncan I add the playing check before the register?
12:52:47jhMikeSwonder if the problem shouldn't be dealt with more severerly
12:53:14jhMikeSstopping playback clears the queue so something else must cause it right?
12:53:55JdGordonline 3564 in playback.c
12:54:11JdGordonits in a while(1) and an empty que
12:54:14safetydanbluebrother, hrm... that does sound better
12:54:18JdGordonso it makes sense its doing what its doing
12:54:44pixelmabluebrother: maybe I don't understand correctly - but what would happen if the new location is on a different volume (external MMC on Ondio - MiniSD on Sansa, USBotg once those are supported)?
12:54:44*jhMikeS wonders when see line 13564 in playback.c will be commonly seen
12:55:12JdGordoni hope no file ever gets that long!
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12:56:27jhMikeSQ_AUDIO_FILL_BUFFER?
12:56:29JdGordonwooot! that was the blody problem
12:56:55bluebrothersame as now −− copy copies the file, move moves
12:57:42bluebrotherthe only difference is that you currently need to cut / copy something, browse to the new location (and remember what you have in the clipboard) and paste it
12:58:07pixelmaah.. then I didn't understand correctly... :/
12:58:13bluebrotherwith a dedicated move to / copy to you don't need a clipboard as you point to the target directly after using that option
12:59:07bluebrotheron Windows you can enable such a function using tweakui for file and folder context menu
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13:00:53JdGordonIve been thinking about how to split the button code off from the tree browser, so that it could be used as a save as/ open file dialog
13:01:10bluebrotherit seems more logical to me −− I never understood those clipboard thing on files
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13:06:39JdGordonwooo hoooo, i finnaly figured it out :D
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13:07:16JdGordonafter my commit we will be able t shutdown from insde the menus and have it save settings :D
13:10:22safetydanbluebrother, do you have a flyspray raised for that idea?
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13:11:51JdGordonhey petur, i just commited a fix for 6408
13:12:47safetydanah well
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13:12:52roolkuSlasheri: when I try to flash the new bootloader.iriver I get a message "Incompatible/untested bootloader" and the flash plugin aborts? Any what am I doing wrong?
13:13:12roolku*idea*
13:14:37JdGordonbloody hell, can someone please check the changleog from the lates commit and make sure it ddnt stuff up the (c) notice in main_menu.c or main.c? firefox is being very odd
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13:15:57JdGordondw, it didnt and firefox is really fucked!
13:16:35linuxstbPress CTRL+I in firefox to view the page info - what encoding does firefox think the page has?
13:17:49JdGordonodd... restarted FF and its all working aain
13:18:05JdGordonencoding is iso-8859-1 tho
13:18:49Slasheriroolku: did you apply that patch first?
13:19:10Slasheriroolku: iriver flash plugin needs the new crc checksum of that bootloader
13:19:12roolkuSlasheri: no I didnt't
13:19:23Slasheriok, that's why it didn't let you do it
13:19:27Slasherijust a safety measure
13:19:32roolkuSlasheri: okay patching now... :)
13:19:38JdGordonis there a reason the sim doesnt do a "real" shutdown on exit?
13:19:43Slasheriroolku: btw, your tagcache patch on the tracker looks interesting
13:19:50Slasherisorry that i haven't had much time to look on it :/
13:20:19roolkuSlasheri: thanks - I have an updated version and some more ideas
13:21:15bluebrotherhow about having a "filetype" view entry in tagcache that browses the folder structure and shows only some given extensions?
13:22:01Slasheriroolku: great :)
13:22:04bluebrothermaybe including a start path...
13:22:05roolkubluebrother: you can use a filter on path with "ends with" <extension>
13:22:14preglowso it was the pll
13:22:27bluebrotheryou can do this already? With cvs?
13:22:42bluebrotheror is this a patch in the tracker?
13:22:53roolkubb: cvs
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13:23:09bluebrothercool. Seems I missed that feature
13:23:32preglowSlasheri: exactly what settings were wrong?
13:24:30Slasheripreglow: just one bit in the PLLCR was incorrectly set
13:24:40Slasherithus cpu frequency was higher than it was mean to be
13:24:53preglowwow
13:24:54preglowby how much?
13:25:08bluebrotherroolku: can I also use the path with that filter?
13:25:08Slasherii am not sure, but in worst case twice
13:25:12preglowdamn
13:25:14preglowthat's bad
13:25:21JdGordonCassandra: rbutil no worky under wine :(
13:25:24Slasheriyeah, no wonder it crashed
13:25:41preglowso now rombox for iriver works fine?
13:25:41Slasheripreglow: btw, if you like to try the new bootloader also, you can do so :)
13:25:42bluebrotheri.e. does it show the paths as folders?
13:25:53Slasheriyes, it should
13:25:55preglowSlasheri: maybe later
13:26:59preglowbtw, how will we utilise the rom? just putting rockbox.iriver there sounds like a bit of a waste
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13:27:14preglowrom/flash/beh
13:27:42Slasheripreglow: now the rom is splitted so that we can put both rockbox.iriver and rombox.iriver there
13:28:03Slasheriand the new bootloader has a failsafe menu (automatically activated on crash or by hold switch) to select the default boot action
13:28:16Slasheridefault boot can be either from disk, ram or rom
13:29:24preglowSlasheri: what's the point in keeping a rockbox.iriver there?
13:29:37preglowi mean, if you've already got a rombox flashed
13:29:42Slasheriwell, it's easier to update than rom image
13:30:21Slasherito update the rom image, you need first reboot either from disk or ram
13:30:30Slasheriand then have the rombox.iriver on the disk
13:30:42preglowrebooting from disk isn't exactly hell
13:30:49preglowwould be cool if we could flash the codecs :>
13:30:55Slasherihmm, indeed :)
13:31:14JdGordonis that out of the realm of possibility?
13:31:21preglowdepends how you want to do it
13:31:27preglowjust load codecs from flash->ram when needed, very possible
13:31:39preglowrun codecs from flash? very much harder, but possible
13:35:38habanabarrywardell: yesterday's error (-4) was caused by OF.bin missing into .rockbox . Now dual boot works perfectly
13:36:06jhMikeSpreglow: don't know if you're interested anymore but the dsp plugins can now be run with very low latency (a couple ms). I can pastebin the old (using thread) and new style (no thread) flanger and ringmod that use the new system if you like.
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13:38:13preglowjhMikeS: sure, i'm still planning on elaborating the flanger plugin a bit more, then starting on new stuff
13:38:34jhMikeSaright, pretty easy switch. gimme a minute
13:39:49preglowi got to the point where i had to make simple ui code and then just stopped coding
13:39:53preglowheh
13:42:59markunjhMikeS: care to look at my patch before I commit? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/tenthdb.diff
13:43:31barrywardellhabana: great!
13:44:11jhMikeSpreglow: http://pastebin.ca/269262
13:45:42jhMikeSmarkun: you're moving the sound.c stuff to the hw driver files I take it
13:45:48markunyes
13:48:09markunbetter to have hw specific code in the corresponding files than to use #ifdef I think
13:49:02jhMikeSjust wondering why sound.h can't still have the prototypes to make including simple instead of putting them in the codec chip headers.
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13:49:20markungood point
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13:50:13jhMikeSOr sound.h could include the appropriate codec header the way system.h does
13:50:25preglowany idea about recording glitches?
13:50:27jhMikeSotherwise looks good
13:51:28jhMikeSpreglow: yes, a drive in a noisy condition might be vibrating too much. I tested long recording myself (long than peturs) and has no difficulty at all. Could also be an H300 only problem for some reason.
13:52:19preglowjhMikeS: nothing that can be compensated for?
13:53:03jhMikeSnot really, how can you compensate if you can't write the data out? it already compensates for the spinup times up to 10s
13:53:10*petur wonders why this never was an issue with the old code
13:53:18preglowyour unit got older in the meantime? :>
13:53:47peturI consider going back to mid august code for production use
13:53:55preglowit's worth a try anyway
13:53:57jhMikeSI'm not dead set on the idea that's the problem but why did I not encounter even one error in 2h 14m?
13:54:26preglowi could do a long recording test too
13:54:31preglowi know my disk is starting to get a bit tired
13:55:00preglowwas it wav recording? usual settings?
13:55:23jhMikeSI did WAV, 44.1kHz, voice enabled, AGC safety clip.
13:55:26markunjhMikeS: updated the patch, is that what you were thinking of?
13:56:43jhMikeSmarkun: yes
13:56:45peturcan't we lower the buffer full watermark?
13:57:45peturalso, when it takes too long to write, wouldn't the PCM buffer end up getting full too because the encoder isn't emtying it?
13:57:47jhMikeSBuffer full watermark is 100% :). Buffer panic watermark is 1s. Normal buffer watermark is 5s + disk_spinup_time which is from 7-15s
13:58:22peturiirc, buffer full used to be 10 seconds or more from buffer full
13:59:01jhMikeSThe encoder never has a problem keeping up. All the codecs are fast and WAV never boosts at any samplerate.
13:59:17preglowwhich reminds me we have aiff now! hooray!
13:59:43jhMikeSFlushing is where I would be concerned and it could be lowered yes, at the cost of more spinups.
13:59:50peturso is it writing to disk in yet another thread?
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14:00:27peturbecause if the encoder is flushing to disk,. PCM buffer will fill up and I'd expect that obne to get full too
14:00:31jhMikeSpetur: the pcmrec thread writes. If is hits 1s left it is not only already cpu boosted (for all writing) but bumps it's priority and flushing the buffer is almost instant.
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14:01:16jhMikeSThe encoder still encodes during flushes. PCM buffer pretty much is always empty
14:02:33jhMikeSThe only encoder I've ever seem boost thread priority is WavPack at 88.2 kHz cause flushing loses ground there. When the extra boost hits the flushing of the entire contents of memory takes place in about 1s.
14:04:31preglowwhatever danger there is of glitching would be higher when encoding too, yes?
14:04:39preglowthink i'll do a couple of hours recording with wavpack
14:05:17jhMikeSpreglow: I've done about an hour. WavPack isn't that hard on boost-> 12-13%
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14:05:29peturstill, understand my lost trust: next concert is mid january and is *very* special, so I want 0% risk. So I'd rather dump all functionality and go back to mid august, that code never gave any lost sample
14:05:47preglowand you're free to do so
14:05:56*jhMikeS really want to get to the bottom of this
14:05:58preglowall code will have bugs, i'm pretty surprised you even used the new code in the first place
14:06:15peturI did test it a bit
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14:06:54jhMikeSpetur: wish you could try two different players at once and see if only one gives a problem
14:07:47preglowat which point stealth taping becomes a pretty bulky affair
14:07:48preglowheh
14:08:19peturit already is, with the external amp
14:09:03jhMikeSI really don't get why this problem should show up. WAV is _very_ light on the cpu, AIFF even lighter (no endian swap)
14:10:50peturmaybe light on cpu and hard on disk
14:10:51preglowanywho, some further testing sounds like a very good idea
14:11:05jhMikeSThat stack corruption that happened bugs me though. That could come from anywhere
14:11:15preglowi love the new recording stuff a lot, and i'd hate it if all people started reverting
14:11:26peturI did find my disk fragmented
14:12:02peturperglow: all the guys at taperssection are passing mid-august versions around to each-other
14:12:10peturpreglow even
14:12:19preglowi thought they were using that anyway
14:12:55jhMikeSThere's an answer somewhere, either a big DOH! or it's revealing a deeper problem.
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14:13:54peturI can only say I'm not making things up, you've heard my recording. Maybe it's only h3x0 related or only my player.
14:14:05jhMikeSthere's no more data to write to disk now that there was before. flushing hasn't really changed. was there a change in the yielding that the file api's do?
14:14:07preglowslim chance it's h3x0 only
14:14:12peturindeed
14:16:00jhMikeSadding 3s to the base watermark would give a min 10s like before...hmmm
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14:17:32jhMikeSI'm wondering if I shouldn't put together a build with logging of output buffer full evens even on a non-logf build. Should only show critical events.
14:18:10jhMikeSIf the log doesn't show it and you get skips, then that isn't the problem. :\
14:19:20jhMikeSpreglow: I should say there was a mystery hang on the H120 that moving a callback pointer out of IRAM fixed. That shouldn't happen. Something was corrupting it from elsewhere.
14:21:23jhMikeSshould also mention the memsets in dither_init had the wrong sizes which caused bizarre behavior during playback. That can make all crazy things happen. (Just throwing ideas around)
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14:23:06preglowjhMikeS: yeah, i saw that
14:23:11preglownot my first bug of that kind, i'm afraid :>
14:23:33preglowjhMikeS: the logging build sounds like a good idea
14:23:35jhMikeSI'm afraid more like that may lie elsewhere. It's easy to do.
14:24:37jhMikeSThe tapers I'm sure would feel comfortable with the new system if the bug where positively identified instead of a vague notion
14:26:00preglowhaha
14:26:15preglowi don't think they'll be using a build that they think have bugs
14:26:21preglowbug for other people it'll do fine
14:29:44jhMikeSwhen are they gonna think it doesn't have bug anymore or will they always distrust new stuff?
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14:29:53roolkuSlasheri: could it be that the rombox patch is missing a file? the compiler (and I) can't find the three detect_* functions
14:30:24jhMikeSI've gotta be sure memcpy handles a size of zero correctly cause it will get call with that _alot_
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14:33:13roolkuSlasheri: a warning in eeprom_settings_init (implicit declaration) and 3 errors in plugin.c (error: `detect_original_firmware' undeclared here)
14:33:17amiconnjhMikeS: It definitely does
14:34:31jhMikeSamiconn: rules that out then
14:35:34amiconnI have a test plugin that tests all lengths (up to 64) and alignments which I run on every memcpy/memset implementation before even thinking about a commit
14:35:40markunamiconn: do you have a suggestion where the Travis*
14:35:52markunlet's try that again..
14:36:14markundo you have a suggestion where the bass_table and treble_table could be moved to?
14:36:18Slasheriroolku: hmm, just a moment
14:36:22jhMikeStwo problem: one loses data, the other just crashes at stop sometimes but all data is in tact...if I get those two recording should be solid as a rock
14:36:32markunfrom firmware/sound.c
14:37:44Slasheriroolku: yes, i had forgot to add system.h diff to the patch
14:37:45amiconnWhy move them?
14:37:47Slasheriplease download it again
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14:38:42jhMikeSI'm basically the only one with eyes on that code. Someone else inspecting might catch something dumb I did.
14:39:43*amiconn wants a spare time generator :/
14:43:02daurnimatori'll have one too
14:43:43preglowjhMikeS: well, i sure would distrust new code a lot if i were to record things i found important, which is why i'm surprised the tapers were even using the new code by now
14:44:54preglowi just want tons of money and no job
14:45:14daurnimatori want everything to cost less
14:45:48preglowi don't so much want the money to buy stuff as i just want it to survive while i do the stuff i really want to
14:45:52preglowheh
14:45:56jhMikeSIt's sort of a blow to the self-esteem having no frickin' idea what's up. Other stuff petur reported I spotted pretty quickly (prerecord time bug comes to mind)
14:46:17preglowjhMikeS: well, not all bugs are obvious, that shouldn't be news, heh
14:46:35preglowyou should find comfort in the fact that recording is one of the nastiest spots in which to find a bug
14:46:35jhMikeSpreglow: me too, but a few extra million here and there won't hurt, just for the cushy effect
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14:47:29jhMikeSpreglow: any history lesson I should be aware of?
14:47:44preglowno, just general observation
14:47:48preglowi might be on crack too
14:48:02preglownever take what i say seriously if you don't feel like it :>
14:48:06jhMikeSif crack helps find bugs i'm in
14:48:15preglowhaha
14:48:19preglowi've got a slight feeling it doesn't
14:48:43jhMikeSyou find 'em crawling on you skin probably
14:49:17preglowhaha
14:50:12*jhMikeS likes to have the conceit and inflated ego that all bugs are obvious to him :)
14:50:35amiconnDebugging recording can take huge amounts of time
14:50:46*amiconn knows what he's speaking about :/
14:51:06preglowwhen amiconn backs up what i say, you can start taking me seriously again
14:51:17jhMikeSWould like to know what sort of things were found cause maybe they've been introduced again
14:51:34amiconnI did test recordings amounting to weeks of recording time back when hunting the recording corruption on MAS
14:51:49amiconnTurned out there was nothing wrong in rockbox - it's a MAS bug
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14:53:06amiconnAll we can do is adding some monitoring (not yet done)
14:54:19preglowframewalker?
14:54:26amiconnyep
14:54:31jhMikeSThe logf will tell about things like overflow on the output but it's never come close to hitting that in any test and having a perfect concert length recording doesn't help when someone else had five "hits" in the same time frame
14:54:58preglowjhMikeS: i still say put the logging in
14:56:08jhMikeSwhat sort of logging though? it would have to be custom and can't rely on disk access to heavily and must trace a lot of events.
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14:56:38preglowwell, i expect you'd know best
14:56:44preglowit shouldn't rely on disk accesses at all until something bad happens
14:56:46jhMikeSI really don't atm
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14:58:05jhMikeSIt wouldn't log anything but bad things I think but still must remember it if the drive won't spin. It can write when things are in a good state.
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15:00:02preglowcorrect
15:00:40jhMikeSpetur: all those skips are time-forward, right? that "repeat" obviously wasn't the same samples twice given the different instrumentals in each.
15:05:21jhMikeSamiconn: did the file apis change at any point since august to yield more often?
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15:06:16grondHi, everybody! Sorry to drop in and start asking questions... ;)
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15:06:32grondI noticed that there is an mp3-encoder in recent versions of rockbox
15:06:45grondI'm working on an alternative firmware for the Archos PMA
15:07:08grondthere is a mp3-encoder in the firmware which is binary-only and hard-wired to the PMA's internal microphone
15:07:47grondsince the PMA has a USB-host port, we are looking into making it rip audio CDs from external CD-drives and encoding the ripped data to mp3 on the fly
15:08:10grondI have compiled the ARM-optimised shine encoder for the PMA which features a linux system running on a 150 MHz ARM
15:08:27grondHowever, encoding a 3 minute song takes 37 minutes
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15:08:58grondI understand that the encoder used in the rockbox-project has the same roots as the shine encodier
15:09:14grondis the speed I get realistic or can you do real-time encoding of mp3s?
15:09:41Bg3rgrond: realtime andd that is on Coldfire 120MHz
15:09:52grondColdfire is 680x0 with MAC, right?
15:10:01Bg3rwith EMAC
15:10:04grondso its speed should compare more or less to a 150 MHz ARM?
15:10:19grondEMAC = ?
15:10:25Bg3rEnhanced MAC
15:10:32grondlonger accumulator?
15:10:42Bg3rpreglow is into these things
15:11:15gronddo you know whether the encoder really is the same as the shine encoder? somebody told me so...
15:11:32Bg3rafaik it's based on the shine
15:11:49*jhMikeS is going to sleep and dream recording code - and lurk
15:11:57grondok, cool. So there is hope to get this thing working faster...
15:12:23Bg3rgrond: why just don't get it from the rockbox cvs and see the changes ?
15:13:10grondwell, yes, I should do that... ;) actually, I have the source code flying around here, so I should compare it. I had a look at it and saw the inline assembly bits which is why I know that the coldfire has a MAC... :)
15:13:20Bg3rhttp://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/mp3_enc.c?rev=1.7&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
15:13:27grondI used to do a lot of 680x0 coding in asm back in the amiga days...
15:14:07grondI tried shine first because it was easy to compile and ready for use
15:14:29grondwith the mp3-encoder from rockbox I would have to build some linux wrapper program around the encoder, I guess.
15:15:19amiconngrond: Coldfire is RISCified m68k, in our case with EMAC with is enhanced MAC
15:15:39amiconn(4 accumulators instead of one, and wider accumulators)
15:16:10grondyes, I know that the Coldfire isn't 100% 680x0 compatible. It does use 2-operand code, though (except for MAC which is 3-operands), right?
15:16:49preglowmac can be more than three
15:17:03preglowit can be up to five, if i remember correctly
15:17:21preglowmac.l %d1, %d2, (%a0)+, %d1, %acc0
15:17:22preglowfor example
15:17:58preglowcoldfire code is mostly (at least for our coldfire) a subset of m68k code, where not all addressing modes or instructions are included
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15:18:07preglowand sometimes not all forms of one instruction
15:18:32grondokay. there were a lot of address modes in the 68020+ that nobody ever really used so I guess they got rid of them
15:18:39grond(memory indexed stuff)
15:18:48preglowwe've got most of those
15:18:48amiconnAfaik, the rockbox mp3 encoder is the shine encoder with coldfire optimisations for time critical stuff
15:18:58preglowamiconn: plus some changes for quality, afaik
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15:19:33preglowi don't really know 68k too well, the only addressing modes i know 68k has that coldfire hasn't, is movem.l with writeback
15:19:39grondhow many clock cycles is an EMAC on the Coldfire and how many can be executed at a time? I noticed that always two MACs are executed with independent data
15:19:58preglowgrond: no one really knows since docs are contradictory, but it has a 1 cycle throughput, i think
15:20:01amiconnemac without parallel load is single cycle
15:20:14amiconn..but with a 3-cycle latency
15:20:18preglowgrond: that is, if you string lots of them together each of them will seem to take one cycle
15:20:30grondyes, I see
15:20:44preglowbut you can't use the result immediately
15:20:53preglowbut then again, some coldfire docs say mac.l uses 1 cycle no matter what
15:20:55preglowso who knows
15:20:56grondif they have a 3-cycle latency, optimal would be to have three MACs in a row before using the output of the first MAC
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15:21:17preglowgrond: optimal is having lots of mac.l instructions after each other, and then some extra work to do before fetching the result
15:21:25grondon the ARM there is only a relatively slow multiply and no MAC... :(
15:21:31preglowgrond: sure there is mac
15:21:35grondis there?
15:21:42preglowgrond: smlal
15:21:47preglowsmull, mla
15:21:52preglowall of those
15:22:14preglowmla does 32 bit mac, smlal does 64 bit signed macs
15:22:22preglowit is slow, however
15:22:23amiconngrond: That would be optimal _in theory_ but the coldfire v2 emac has a bug
15:22:45amiconn..which causes the latency to apply even if different accumulators are involved
15:22:53grondin my manual it says: "all M variants". Not sure if the ARM9tdmi has them...
15:23:01preglowgrond: arm9tdmi sure has them
15:23:05preglowgrond: all arms have mla anyway
15:23:07grondcool... :)
15:23:08amiconnSo you can stick together as many mac instructions as you want (same or different accumulators)
15:23:17preglowgrond: but even the arm7tdmi in ipods have smlal
15:23:31grondokay, I feel relieved...
15:23:39preglowdon't feel too relievede, it's slow :>
15:23:39amiconn...but you should stick 2 unrelated single-cycle instructions between the mac chain and fetching the accumulator(s)
15:23:44preglowbut i've used it a lot anyway, no choice
15:24:40grondfor ARM you can save a little if you always pair two data-independent OPs, this will save one cycle per instruction but that's pretty much what you can do to speed up the code
15:25:21preglowsounds like arm9 things
15:25:24preglowthat won't work on arm7
15:25:52markungrond: I can do a test on my 300MHz ARM9
15:26:02grondyes, ARM9. on ARM7 there is at most one instruction every two cycles. what would I have to do to use the mp3-encoder from rockbox? I would start with the C-version (undef CPU_COLDFIRE)
15:26:02preglowthat has it, i think
15:26:07grondmarkun: that would be nice... :)
15:26:22preglowgrond: arm7 can do one instruciton every cycle, afaik, at least as long as all code memory is cached
15:27:03preglowas long as none of those instructions are ldr, b, etc
15:27:18grondpreglow: pretty sure it's one instruction every two cycles. with ARM9 you can have one instruction per cycle but drop down to two cycles per instruction if the subsequent instruction depends on the result of the preceding instruction
15:27:23preglowah, or use a shift operand with a register shift amount
15:27:54markungrond: 5.7x realtime
15:28:01markun128 kbit/s
15:28:06grondbut doesn't really matter, once I start to write optimised code I will dig out my cycle lists... ;)
15:28:13grondmarkun: duh!
15:28:14preglowoh, i know the cycle lists
15:28:17preglowthat's what i'm quoting :)
15:28:24grondokay, even better
15:28:35amiconnpreglow: Btw, I'm not sure whether your coldfire code takes this latency bug into account...
15:28:36preglowbut there might be other stuff than just pure cycle counts to it
15:28:42grondbut sure you don't mistake ARM7 with v7 of the ARM implementation? :o)
15:28:47preglowamiconn: it does wherever i could make it do so
15:28:52preglowamiconn: it's not always possible
15:28:57amiconnyes I know
15:29:03daurnimatorHAHAHA power rangers is on - i couldn't remember how crap it was :S
15:29:08preglowbut i've always been fully aware of the bug, at least
15:29:24markungrond: perhaps you could send us a patch if you make some ARM optimisations
15:29:36grondmarkun: how do you test this? is there command line code to encode a file?
15:30:09grondcurrently I am very short of time because I'm studying for my exam in february. this is a thing that should keep my studying ten hours a day every day... :p
15:30:11markunyes, there is a mp3_encoder plugin for rockbox
15:30:18grondso don't expect anything soon...
15:31:11grondI have only used rockbox on my old Archos Jukebox so I'm not really familiar with its modern incarnations. is that some kind of standard C code which will work in pretty much any environment if compiled for it?
15:31:32preglowno, it is adapted
15:31:41grondthat means?
15:32:49preglowwell, code needs to be adapted to rockbox
15:32:59preglowyou can't just take any piece of code containing main() and expect it to work
15:33:00roolkuSlasheri: rombox works fine on my h140 :)
15:33:14grondpreglow: and the other way around? :o)
15:33:19preglowgrond: heh, guess
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15:33:28roolkuSlasheri: is it possible for a user to determine which version (rom/ram/disk) is currently running?
15:33:45grondfrom a quick gaze at the mp3_enc.c I deduct that one has to call enc_init() first and then codec_main()?
15:33:57grondor is there anything else to call from outside first?
15:34:01roolkuSlasheri: maybe it could be displayed in the version screen?
15:34:13Slasheriroolku: not directly, but by starting up player with hold switch on it will show the default choice
15:34:19Slasherinice it works :)
15:34:22roolkuSlasheri: I guess I could make a WPS tag. :)
15:34:27Slasherihehe, true :D
15:34:51roolkuSlasheri: double-tap on play for resume works if I am not to quick
15:35:07Slasheriyep, that is quite useful indeed :)
15:35:29Slasherihmm, maybe it could be even faster if we initialize button driver earlier..
15:35:37Slasheribut it's even quite fast already
15:35:41roolkuSlasheri: and around 300000 bytes bigger audio buffer if I am not mistaken
15:36:36Slasheritrue :)
15:37:05roolkuwhat is a good way to measure execution time in rockbox? Is there a free running timer that can be read before and after?
15:38:04Slasherihmm, you can use the kernel tick timer, current_tick
15:38:20Slasheriand divide it by HZ to get the time in seconds
15:38:50roolkuTrue, but I was hoping for a higher resolution.
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15:39:36Slasheriwhat kind of measurements would you like to do?
15:41:01roolkuApart from finding out if there is any slowdown when running from rom, it reminded me that I also wanted to time the I2C communication (time it takes to send an array)
15:41:24roolkuI am trying to add an RTC to the h120
15:41:47Slasheriah, for slowdown you could watch the boost ratio in audio debug menu
15:42:10Slasherijust play the same file long enough and measure the difference
15:42:58markunSlasheri: didn't you also add a RTC to your iriver at one time?
15:43:05Slasherihmm, you are trying to add a real rtc chip?
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15:43:19Slasherimarkun: no, but i have planned adding a bluetooth link
15:43:26roolkuSlasheri: yes, a ds13339c
15:43:32Slasherithere would be just enough space inside the player to do that
15:44:10roolkuBTW: I have found a bug in the i2c driver when it comes to multi-byte read
15:44:40roolku(which you are not using in the eeprom driver)
15:45:42roolkuI am currently using the eeprom to simulate the RTC - I have to summon all curage to solder the rtc chip in - hehe
15:46:05Slasheri=)
15:46:34Slasheridid you plan soldering it besides the eeprom chip?
15:47:15roolkuyes, I think this is the easiest to just use piggyback it onto the eeprom
15:47:44Slasheriyep, and then just set a different address for the rtc
15:48:09roolkuyes, it is hard-coded for the rtc (0xe0)
15:48:42Slasherihmm.. maybe we should create some "official" easy-to-do mods for iriver units and support the code in rockbox :)
15:49:07roolkuIf it work out I'll do a wiki page
15:49:08Slasherii really would like to add that bluetooth feature, would be nice to control player using a mobile phone
15:49:12Slasherigreat
15:49:34roolkuthat sounds interesting.
15:49:52Slasheriand i have all necessary code ready to do that :)
15:50:09roolkuI have seen modules that do serial to wireless - but too big to put into the case :(
15:50:48Slasheritrue, but simple H4 HCI-interface modules are really small
15:51:15roolkuI'll keep my eyes peeled
15:51:47Slasheri:)
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17:01:21PaulPositionHmm... Barrywardell's modified bootloader for PP daps certainly allows me to dualboot but it also most definately crash my H10 with a 'data abort at 00035408' soon as I turn 'crossfeed' on. I made sure it was the patch by comparing a patched and unpatched bootloader/cvs combos on my player.
17:03:22PaulPositionAny idea what sort of things I could/should look for to help him in search of the problem?
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17:26:19amiconnmarkun: Wow, more than 3000 points with just warnings...
17:26:28markunyes :)
17:26:54markunAnd I was talking about a personal record with just 226 points..
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18:06:47GnelikHi1
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18:08:19PaulPositionHey Gnelik.. Am I mistaken in thinking you own a sansa e200?
18:09:01*pondlife thanks Bluebrother for his tireless Flyspray policing
18:09:13GnelikNope
18:09:13GnelikI am a happy owner of e200 :))
18:09:48PaulPositionGnelik - Are you using Barry/Dan_a's bootloader/patch from yesterday?
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18:11:56PaulPositionGnelik - Am asking because on my iRiver H10, with the bootloader, I would get an 'data abort' error anytime I would try to turn "crossfeed" on. I wonder if it happens on all PortalPlayer daps or just the H10s..
18:13:04GnelikPaulPosition: I use my own bootloader and crt...S changed
18:14:30GnelikPaulPosition: Give me a link to a new one please.
18:14:45PaulPositionGnelik - on second..
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18:15:17PaulPositionhttp://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-12/0002.shtml
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18:23:16GnelikPaulPosition:
18:23:29GnelikPaulPosition:: on my curent firmware with dual boot it works ok
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18:23:40PaulPositionGnelik - Well, that's good.
18:23:59PaulPositionGnelik - Rather it works well everywhere but home than work bad everywhere. :p
18:24:05PaulPosition;)
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18:24:34Gnelik:)
18:28:04PaulPositionI'm happy anyway. I get dualboot which is quite a boon while waiting for recording and fm tuner. Too bad for crossfeed but I'm sure it could be figured out some day soon.
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18:28:59shirourhi all! i have a questions - if i have a machine running linux, is it possible somehow to compile rockbox to run on it?
18:29:51PaulPositionI don't think so, no. Why would you want to do that?
18:30:09PaulPositionshirour - Unless you want a 'simulator' to test things...
18:30:25PaulPositionshirour - But there's no sound, I think.
18:31:43Gnelikthere is sound in simulator
18:31:53PaulPositionMy bad. :p
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18:33:36PaulPositionshirour - But if it's a port of rockbox, a rockbox4linux, you want then it'd be quite unpractical. Rather go with a dedicated linux player like the (amazing) Amarok.
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18:33:49pixelmaPaulPosition: I've heard people using rockbox similators as audio players under linux...
18:34:22shirourPaulPosition: thanks for your replies! my current problem is as follows:
18:34:33shirouri have a play machine running arm, and i've managed to get linux running on it
18:34:53shirouri've managed to get various mini distribution to work (familiar with OPIE and GPE (x based))
18:35:01shirourbut now i want the functionality of a player
18:35:30shirourso i thought rockbox's gui would be the best for such a thing
18:35:39shirourthe question is how can i do it...
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18:36:12PaulPositionohhhh.. That's way over my head, sorry, but there sure are folks who could help. Maybe set up some sort of dualboot or whatnot..
18:36:48shirourmm.. so there is no way of running rockbox on a linux machine..?
18:37:20Gnelikthere is
18:37:33GnelikBy building a simulator for linux
18:37:48shiroursounds good..! how can i do that?
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18:39:11*amiconn just had a crazy idea
18:39:32Gnelikhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator
18:39:42shirourgreat, thanks!
18:40:04amiconnThe rockbox sim can run on linux, but the rockbox gui is no real gui, just a graphical display controlled via the keyboard
18:40:24amiconnThe graphical display draws quite some cpu power
18:40:40GnelikPaulPosition: Do you have USB bug in then off firmware
18:40:42Gnelik??
18:40:48amiconnThen I know there are console freaks who could make use of a powerful audio player
18:41:25amiconnSo my idea was to add a rockbox target that uses the *nix console as a charcell display
18:42:04PaulPositionGnelik - Hmm.. Never used USB with off firmware as my device is MTP but I can have a look. What kind of bug?
18:42:54GnelikPut usb in and turn the player on, than loade oofitial firmware
18:43:12shirourbtw - does rockbox seperate gui from engine? can i configure it to use encoder/decoder other than yours?
18:43:49Gnelikhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxArchitecture
18:44:00Gnelikand http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex
18:45:12Slasherihmm, shouldn't 320x240 backdrops work for ipod video?
18:45:27PaulPositionGnelik - You want me to load the official firmware using Rolo and not a button combination, is that it?
18:45:46amiconnSlasheri: sure (and only those)
18:46:14Slasheriah, weird.. now it worked
18:46:18Slasherineeded to try twice
18:49:53shiroursay - can i still use the X version of the simulator instead of SDL?
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18:51:03shiroursince on my machine i already have X libs... getting sdl might be a little bit of a problem
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18:52:21bluebrothershirour, no. X support has been dropped a while ago in favor of SDL
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19:03:28PaulPositionGnelik - I have no other way but pressing buttons at boot to get into original firmware. No rolo plugin on my target, browse firmware returns nothing and I browsing to the .mi4 files and clicking is useless.
19:03:58amiconnrolo isn't a plugin
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19:04:07GnelikPaulPosition: Load it using bottons
19:04:15PaulPositionamiconn - duh... ok. :blush:
19:04:28amiconnrolo is core functionality
19:04:42*amiconn spotted a bug in ata-as-coldfire.S
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19:05:00amiconnOne of the performance hit type though, nothing to worry about as a user
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19:05:28PaulPositionGnelik - Won't load OF if USB is plugged in on my H10, it seems pressing left (boot OF) when plugged in is same as if I press right (UMS mode).
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19:07:21PaulPositionIf I plug it in while in OF, however, it goes into usb=>MTP mode (yuk!) But then iRiver isn't Sansa..
19:07:38PaulPositionGnelik - What exactly were you trying to find out?
19:07:57GnelikMy Sansa hang's up when i plug in usb
19:08:44PaulPositionGnelik - Ahhh.
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19:09:49PaulPositionGnelik - As far as I know, the H10 port isn't USB-aware.. Plugged in or not, it does the same things, 'unless' I specifically tell it (by way of buttons) to go into usb disk mode.
19:10:16GnelikHm.. Cool
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19:27:07markunsardiskan: the case of the gen2 nano is all metal: http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/
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19:29:56Gnelikdan_a Hi Dan!
19:30:08dan_aEvening Gnelik
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19:30:40sardiskanthanks markun
19:30:50Gnelikdan_a: I have same USB problem with new crt...
19:30:58amiconnSlasheri: Hehe, please tell me the purpose of this:
19:30:59amiconn#ifdef IAUDIO_X5
19:30:59amiconn#define DEFAULT_PLLCR_AUDIO_BITS 0x10400000
19:30:59DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn
19:30:59amiconn#else
19:30:59amiconn#define DEFAULT_PLLCR_AUDIO_BITS 0x10400000
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19:30:59amiconn#endif
19:31:15amiconnLooks like the whole #ifdef is superfluous...
19:32:21dan_aGnelik: RockBox doesn't come back from the USB screen when you unplug the USB cable?
19:32:41GnelikNope hang's up with Or firmware
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19:33:43dan_aIf you move the scroll wheel while it's hung, do the LEDs come on?
19:33:49Slasheriamiconn: oh, hehe :D i even didn't notice that..
19:33:59Slasheriseems there is no need to have them both :)
19:34:05amiconnCommitted.
19:34:09Slasherithanks
19:35:38dan_aamiconn: What do you think to renaming ata-e200.c to disk-e200.c? And possibly ata_*_sectors to disk_*_sectors?
19:35:53Slasheriamiconn: hmm, but no wondering if my commit broke iaudio..
19:36:06amiconnHuh? Why should it?
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19:36:33amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/target/coldfire/system-target.h.diff?r1=1.4&r2=1.5
19:36:51Reio2How can I force rockbox to shut down on my 4g ipod? Holding Play doesn't do anything
19:36:57amiconnDEFAULT_PLLCR_AUDIO_BITS was different per target before, but now it's not
19:37:26Gnelikdan_a: it lights on
19:37:31Slasheriyep, but the CRSEL bit is now changed
19:37:51amiconnWhere?
19:37:55Gneliki use rockbox patch that was sended to mail list
19:38:06Slasheriit's now always set to one in system-iriver.c
19:38:17Slasherisomebody with iaudio should test if it still works..
19:38:24amiconnGuess why that's called system-iriver.c?
19:38:37Slasheriargh :D
19:38:40Slasherinever mind ;)
19:38:45amiconnhehe
19:39:25dan_aGnelik: That means that you're having the exact problem that the patch is meant to fix. Can you make 100% sure that you have patched the source, nothing got rejected, and that you've copied across the correct bootloader?
19:39:53GnelikI used my old bootloader
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19:42:25webguest54would a rockbox port to run on a zune require hardware modification ?
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19:45:19dan_awebguest54: I don't see why it should. The people writing the port might need to take a Zune apart, but I don't think any ports so far need hardware modification to run.
19:46:07dan_aGnelik: That will be the problem then!
19:46:22Gnelikdan_a: what did you changed in BL?
19:46:53PaulPositiondan_a: D'you have any idea why that dualbooting patch would break crossfeed (and pretty much only that) on an other portalplayer dap? (ie, my H10)
19:47:33dan_aGnelik: crt0-pp.S
19:47:53Gnelikdan_a: i've pached crt
19:49:13dan_aPaulPosition: Not yet. If Rockbox loads, it ought to work. Have you looked in rockbox.map to see what is at the address that's giving you the error? That might help us figure it out.
19:49:28dan_aGnelik: But you said you used your old bootloader
19:49:52Gnelikbut applyed patch
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19:50:29PaulPositiondan_a - Right, rockbox.map sounds like just what the doctor ordered..
19:51:41dan_aGnelik: Start with a clean CVS. Apply the patch. Make a bootloader build. Copy this bootloader build onto your Sansa. Do you still have the problem?
19:52:19Gnelikhow can i update cvs with deleting modifye files even patched?
19:52:51dan_aGnelik: Do a fresh checkout in a different directory
19:53:12amiconncvs up -C
19:53:17Gnelikdan_a: i have very slow i-net
19:53:30amiconn" -C Overwrite locally modified files with clean repository copies."
19:53:44amiconncvs −−help update told me
19:53:57Gnelikamiconn: but not pathched
19:54:17amiconn??
19:54:59Gnelikpatched
19:55:13amiconncvs up -C should overwrite those
19:55:21amiconnThat's what this optioon is for
19:55:24amiconn*option
19:55:39PaulPositiondan_a: 0x000353a4 apply_crossfeed
19:55:52Gneliki update with #/bin/sh
19:55:52Gnelikcvs up -dPC apps bootloader firmware tools uisimulator docs
19:55:54dan_aGnelik: You need to test this on a clean version of CVS - i.e. with no patches. If you don't want to lose work you've done, back up the folder before doing "cvs up -C"
19:55:54PaulPositiondan_a : I get the data abort at 00035408
19:56:27dan_aPaulPosition: I'll have a look at that in 5 minutes
19:56:45CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
19:56:45*amiconn always updates with just 'cvs up' in the source root
19:57:03amiconnI've set -dP in .cvsrc
19:57:20PaulPositiondan_a: Please take your time
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20:05:11Gnelikdan_a: i'd like to create bootloader.cfg
20:05:28Gnelikcan i read files from BL?
20:06:31dan_aGnelik: Yes, normal file operations (eg open() and read()) are available
20:06:33GnelikAnd do we need such kind of bootloader
20:06:38Gnelik?
20:07:54dan_aI like having a configurable BL with a menu - others want the fastest boot possible. Reading a config file would slow down the bootup time
20:08:27GnelikWe can do def?
20:09:19dan_aI don't understand
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20:10:32Gnelik#define GRAPHIC_AND_CONF
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20:11:27[j]hi folks .. any news this week on progress with the 5.5g ipods (80gigs)? i've got one, and am eager to put ipodlinux on it .. if there's anything i can do to help, please give the word ..
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20:14:51*Gnelik is dancing No bugs! No bugs!
20:14:59dan_aGnelik: I don't know. If you could please everybody, then that would be even better. Maybe only have it bring up the menu if a certain button is pressed, otherwise it works as it does at the moment. And see what effects your graphical work have on the code size of the bootloader too - the bigger it is, the slower it will load especially if the cache is disabled.
20:16:19Gnelikdan_a: i have the problem with strange sybols on screen after loading OF
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20:17:37dan_aGnelik: Is that on the second time you run it? That (as far as I can tell) is because the timer interrupt does not get enabled in the bootloader. The first time it runs, it has been enabled but the Sansa firmware.
20:19:48Gnelikdan_a:yep
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20:25:39torpor_linuxstb: 11.41.06 # <linuxstb> Good. All I need now is a 5.5G owner...
20:25:45torpor_<−− ipod 5.5G owner
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20:26:09torpor_willing to test/help/do anything that might get us futher on the 5.5g ipods. i have one.
20:29:49Slasheriideally bootloader should not display anything and just load rockbox as soon as possible
20:30:10Slasherithat's how it works on iriver with ram/rom image in flash
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20:31:55GnelikSlasheri: but dualboot?
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20:33:32linuxstbReio2: What happens when you hold the PLAY button?
20:33:36Slasherihmm.. maybe you could have some graphics on it if you keep it just enough simple
20:35:50dan_aSlasheri: Gnelik is trying to make a bootloader with a menu, similar to loader2
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20:43:06CassandraHey amicon - your coldfire bug fix - does it have any implications for battery life?
20:43:34amiconnDepends on whether audio files might be loaded unaligned
20:44:09CassandraAh, a definite maybe then.
20:44:11amiconnI wonder what I did at devcon. This bug dates back to march...
20:44:41CassandraDrank beer and ate pizza, I believe.
20:44:54CassandraIt was nice pizza though.
20:45:08linuxstbAnd plot release dates...
20:45:20amiconnhmpf
20:47:22CassandraIt was a fine plan. Shame it didn't turn out to be practical.
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20:48:05amiconnSurely because our release manager vanished for a number of months ;)
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20:49:33Cassandraamiconn: Yeah. She sucks.
20:49:52CassandraAs does the PR girl.
20:51:22CassandraFrankly we should stop paying them both.
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21:00:37*Lars_G waves
21:01:42dan_aPaulPosition: Are you still around?
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21:06:18webguest17hi
21:06:38***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:06:41webguest17im trying to connect via IRC but the link isnt working correctly
21:06:52webguest17can someone tell me the server name and port?
21:06:53Lars_G... what?
21:07:05Lars_Gconnect via irc.... you ARE connected via irc!
21:07:08webguest17lol
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21:07:13webguest17im using the web gui
21:07:21Cassandrairc.freenode.net
21:07:28Cassandra6667, I believe
21:07:29Lars_Gwebguest17: irc.us.freenode.net or irc.eu.freenode.net
21:07:53linuxstbwebguest17: Go here for help. http://freenode.net/
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21:08:01Atomicsunsetok thanks
21:08:01PaulPositiondan_a: yup..
21:08:09Atomicsunsetdunno why it wouldnt work a min ago
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21:08:17Lars_GBtw since you're using the "web gui" and you're in IRC you can suspect the web gui conencts to IRC, usually when this is done via a Java Applet the server and port are specified as parameters to the applet's <Object> in the source....
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21:08:39Lars_GAnd of course he disconnects before I hit enter. i swear when I die I'll look for the spirit of Murphy and beat the crap out of it
21:08:48Atomicsunsetlol im here
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21:09:26PaulPositionDan_a: The 'data abort' happens at 0x00035408, just after .text 0x000353a4 0xb0 /home/user/rockbox-devel/build/apps/dsp_arm.o
21:09:36Atomicsunseti have 2 questions regarding this bad ass program
21:09:57Atomicsunsetwhere can i find the album art patch for Ipod video
21:10:11dan_aPaulPosition: I'm just having a look at the crossfade problem - can you just confirm that using the original bootloader with a new firmware and the new bootloader with the new firmware you get the same problem
21:10:34Atomicsunsetand im trying to get a theme to work correctly but im not sure if my ipod supports the bottom play menu
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21:11:28PaulPositionDan_a - Okay, going to test with original Boot + patched f/w as it's the only combination I haven't tried. :)
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21:12:12dan_aThanks - I just want to make sure I'm looking at the right problem :D
21:15:20PaulPositiondan_a : clean h10.mi4 + patched f/w just hangs on bootloader after it calculated Sum: (sum of what, I dunno, but there...)
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21:15:39CassandraHmm - anyone get any idea why my audioscrobbler log never seems to record the first track of an album?
21:15:54linuxstbAtomicsunset: Album art patch is on the patch tracker - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 (latest versions of the patch are at the very bottom). You could also look here for an unofficial build which includes album art: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0
21:16:20LearOuch, SBR_LOW_POWER is pretty b0rked...
21:16:22PaulPositionCassandra - Nope but it seems its a common problem, a guy has been bitching on misticriver (go figure!) about that and I think someone raised a bug in flyspray (not sure)
21:16:40Atomicsunseti think i found a patch. but its in html. not too sure where to save the text to or as
21:17:39PaulPositionDan_a : Also just so you not look in the wrong place, it's crossFEED and not crossFADE. ;)
21:18:09CassandraPaulPosition, I've noticed a couple of oddities like tracks I skipped appearing in the logs too.
21:18:21CassandraNot sure I can be arsed to do anything about it though.
21:18:54dan_aPaulPosition: Sometimes my fingers don't type what my brain is thinking!
21:19:18PaulPositiondan_a : No trouble man, just didn't want to send you on a red herring.
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21:31:04dan_aPaulPosition: Can you send me your rockbox.elf file, for the firmware which crashes? If I'm right about where the problem is then I'll need to get help with it, because it's beyond me.
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21:33:36PaulPositiondan_a : I sure can, will send to the address I got from the dev mailing list, right?
21:34:10dan_aPaulPosition: That's fine
21:35:59PaulPositiondan_a : Is that one of the files that is created during 'make'? (I last built an unpatched version, so I would need to patch and rebuild right?)
21:37:08dan_aPaulPosition: It is. It will be in <build_dir>/apps/ - and you will need to patch and rebuild - sorry!
21:37:25dan_aAnd thank you for your help in debugging this, by the way
21:37:44PaulPositionno problem, started compiling already.
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21:41:12*Bagder got a sortof "Gentlemen ..." mail
21:42:43dan_aBagder: is it going to get forwarded?
21:42:48Bagdercheck your mailbox
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21:43:21Bagder"I have sound (well, sort of, kind of)" / MrH
21:43:57dan_aCool!
21:44:24Bagderbloody cool
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21:44:43PaulPositiondan_a : Sent the rockbox.elf file just now. And thanks YOU, btw.
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21:46:43richardablittHi
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21:46:49PaulPositionAnyone ever created a 'how to put graphics into bootloader' tutorial of any kind? There are a few things in P.I.Julius patch I can't understand (like he drawing over 320*256 and not 320*240)
21:47:08PaulPosition(I do understand this in no 'official'... just looking for a hint.)
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21:52:30Bagder256 is just plain wrong
21:52:34richardablittDoes anyone know whether it's likely that Rockbox (or anything similar) will run on a Sigmatel 3500 based mp3 player in the foreseeable future?
21:52:55PaulPositionbadger - Maybe I just plain read it bad... :p
21:53:02Bagder:-)
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21:53:16CassandraBagder: Two things - (1) can I have a little bit of the main Rockbox website for my installer. (2) do you think there's some way we can sort out voice files so that I can automate downloads?
21:54:09Bagder1) sure tell me what I can do 2) we've been discussing autobuilding voices that should simplify this
21:54:20Cassandrarichardablitt, only if someone decides to port it. Please see the FAQ for more details on new ports.
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21:56:06Cassandra1) Erm, make http://www.rockbox.org/installer/ and give me write access somehow and 2) that'd be great - is it worth standardising something in the meantime, or is that likely to be imminent?
21:57:16dan_aBagder: Who is going to approach Austriamicrosystems?
21:57:34BagderI'll be back later to respond, have to take care of a tiny son now for a while
21:57:41Cassandradan_a, who they?
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21:58:48dan_aCassandra: They make an analogue interface which appears to be integrated into the PP5024, as used in the Sansa
21:59:19dan_aBut their datasheets aren't available for download
21:59:32CassandraAh, right.
21:59:41Atomicsunsetwhere do you put patches?
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22:00:08CassandraThat depends what you want to do with them. In the patch tracker?
22:00:27Atomicsunseti want to find the album art patch...
22:00:32Atomicsunseti can prolly find it
22:00:40Atomicsunsetbut when i do i dunno where to put it
22:01:07PaulPositionatomicsunset - Do you have a compiling environment set up?
22:01:16Atomicsunsetnope
22:01:23Atomicsunsetim very very new to the rockbox
22:01:36Atomicsunseti just installed yesterday
22:02:01PaulPositionAtomicsunset - Yeeow. You'd best look for an already compiled Build with albumart then, because else you're in for a lot of learning. :p
22:02:03Atomicsunsetbut ive seen some impressive screenshots of album art and a play/pause menu at the bottom of the screen
22:02:04pixelmaAtomicsunset: did you follow the links linuxstb gave you?
22:02:14CassandraErm - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
22:03:40CassandraWhile most of us just put stuff on the wiki to amuse ourselves, it can occasionally accidentally contain information that's useful to other people too.
22:03:55CassandraWe try to avoid it wherever possible, however.
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22:04:28PaulPositionAtomicsunset: What player do you possess? Many people have done, and updated, builds that integrate the most common patches used together with albumart (ie, multiple fonts, bmp_resize, etc..)
22:04:42Atomicsunsetim using a 30g video ipod
22:04:57Atomicsunsetid like a simple unzip here and reboot :P
22:05:13Atomicsunsetbut theres a serious lack of readmes in the files :P
22:05:40PaulPositionYeah, well a .patch is just source code that needs to be inserted or replacing other source code..
22:05:43PaulPositionwait a second.
22:06:15Atomicsunsetk
22:06:19Atomicsunsetthanks paul
22:08:24PaulPositionAtomicsunset - Read that page about one such theme, the jBlackGlass. Of PARTICULAR INTEREST to you is the part, a bit lower down the screen, where he talks about the precompiled builts. PiJulius is *the* iPod theme man. ;) ===> http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/jblackglass-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html
22:08:47PaulPosition(That's from his blog, but the WPS gallery has many other of his themes)
22:09:09Atomicsunsetim using that theme..
22:09:23Atomicsunsetbut i cant seem to get the menu at the bottom of my ipod
22:09:34Atomicsunsetjust the background and the header bar
22:09:55PaulPositionWell the theme is the theme and that's all. Do you also have the prebuilt binaries? Did you overwrite the files like he explains?
22:10:03Atomicsunsetand my list starts at the top of my screen instead of right below the header
22:10:43amiconnCrap, why would dma miss ata data while reading??
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22:11:36Atomicsunseti havent over written anything
22:12:15PaulPositionOkay. Have you just looked at the image at the top of the page and thought "well this is not for me"?? Because if so, well *this* is not for *me*.
22:12:53Atomicsunsetlol
22:13:06Atomicsunseti saw the image and thought "wow i want my ipod to do that"
22:13:18Atomicsunsetand now im in the process of figuring out how
22:13:44PaulPositionI understand. So you downloaded themes, with fonts and such and installed that. It loads but it's not all right. No album art. Text in wrong place.
22:13:46Atomicsunseti found the patches but dont understand how to implement them
22:13:53Atomicsunsetright
22:14:04Atomicsunsetalso i dont have the bottom play/pause menu
22:14:30Atomicsunsetmine looks like the image on the right side of his page
22:14:38Atomicsunsetid like it to look like the image on the left
22:14:44PaulPositionatomicsunset - Did you miss that part where I told you to look for 'precompiled binaries' ?
22:14:52Atomicsunsetyes i did
22:14:56Atomicsunsetill look now
22:15:14PaulPositionatomicsunset - good thing... Do you know if your video is 4th or 5th gen?
22:15:21Atomicsunset5th
22:15:40PaulPositionatomicsunset - So in the choices he'll provide, you'll need the file for 5G.
22:15:48Atomicsunsetdownloading now
22:16:14Atomicsunsetso i just replace everything with his?
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22:18:25Atomicsunsetand then upload his themes?
22:18:30tucozbluebrother, around?
22:18:37PaulPositionatomicsunset - Everything that in his, yes. If you want you can make a backup of your current .rockbox folder so that if it doesn't work well (it's about a month old) you don't need to redownload.
22:19:04Atomicsunsetok stoopid question...
22:19:09PaulPositionatomicsunset - Yeah, maybe turn the hold switch on while rebooting so as to clear the settings too.
22:19:26Atomicsunseti have I:\.rockbox
22:19:33Atomicsunseti have I:\.rockbox\.Rockbox
22:19:56Atomicsunsetwhich do i replace? and do i need the 2nd level .rockbox
22:20:04PaulPositionokay, you unloaded it one folder too far. I usually unzip on my desktop and the copy over by drag and drop..
22:20:08tucozAny objections to adding the GPL to the appendix of the manual?
22:20:53tucozI have downloaded the FSF's .tex version, and only commented out enough to make it includable in our manual.
22:21:27*Atomicsunset crossing fingers
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22:22:39tucozhmm. i think i'll have to fix some more in that document
22:22:44Atomicsunsetit looks the same only this time i have a codec failure
22:22:50Atomicsunsetand music wont play
22:22:56Cassandratucoz: I don't see much point in adding it, to be honest.
22:23:10PaulPositiondid you clear settings?
22:23:18Atomicsunsetno
22:23:19Atomicsunsetsorry
22:23:27PaulPositionatomicsunset - menu->system->clear settings
22:23:50tucozCassandra, why? Look at other software distributors. They include all the licences they come up with in their user docs
22:24:23PaulPositionatomicsunset - Don't be sorry. It might well not work as it's a bit old, albeit I'd be surprised no one whined too much about it. If it doesn't we'll search a bit more. :)
22:24:33tucozAfter all. The GPL is quite important for rockbox. And by including it in the manual, we ensure that there is no doubt what license Rockbox is under.
22:24:45Atomicsunseti dont have a system-clear settings
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22:26:17PaulPositionatomicsunset - Sorry.. menu->manage settings->reset settings
22:26:21Learamiconn: I do believe that fix of yours noticably speeded up bookmark creation...
22:26:27Atomicsunsetdid that
22:26:32Atomicsunsetcodec error
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22:26:35roolkuwooooot!
22:26:40Atomicsunsetno fancy background :P
22:26:46*roolku has a h120 with RTC !
22:27:03Learatomicsunset: and you included all files in .rockbox when installing?
22:27:06tucozroolku, wow
22:27:10Atomicsunsetyes
22:27:14PaulPositionatomicsunset - Well that codec error is preocuppying. No point having a nice theme if no sound anyway.
22:27:20Atomicsunsetright
22:27:28Atomicsunseti overwrote everything
22:27:40PaulPositionLear - We tried applying Pi.Julius's binaries to it. Maybe I'll find some other build for him to try...
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22:27:53Atomicsunsetonly thing is i didnt "see" the rockbox.ipod file
22:28:08amiconnLear: Really? I wouldn't have expected that, as I would expect all internal buffers (e.g. for the bookmark file) to be at least word aligned
22:28:15LearThat can be in .rockbox, but doublecheck to be sure.
22:28:16amiconnAlso, bookmarks are tiny...
22:28:40Atomicsunseti saw it in the rar file
22:28:44Atomicsunsetbut not in the windows file
22:29:28Atomicsunseti didnt extract it
22:29:30Learamiconn: Not sure, true, as disk spinup time makes it a bit hard to judge.
22:29:33Atomicsunsetwould that cause the issue
22:29:45Atomicsunseti only extracted the .rockbox
22:29:50Atomicsunsetnot the rockbox.ipod
22:30:01PaulPositionYou'd need the rockbox.ipod
22:30:03LearYou need to take the .ipod file too. They are closely related.
22:30:15amiconnjhMikeS: Meh, want another example of the coldfire manuals being clear as mud? :\
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22:30:21roolkuroolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/h120_rtc.jpg">http://roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/h120_rtc.jpg
22:30:35PaulPositionShould go straight into the root of the player, if it's like my rockbox.h10 file..
22:31:01peturroolku: impressive wires sticking out ;)
22:31:07Atomicsunsetmy computer isnt recognizing the player now...
22:31:45roolkuyes, one is the alarm interrupt, one the backup voltage and the grey stuff the rs-232 interface :)
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22:32:26roolkunow where can I connect the alarm line...
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22:33:01Atomicsunsetummm
22:33:12Atomicsunsetmy computer doesnt recognize my ipod now
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22:33:42PaulPositionatomicsunset - Does your ipod recognise your computer though?
22:33:47Atomicsunsetyes
22:33:54Atomicsunsetit knows its plugged in
22:33:58Atomicsunsetbut thats about it
22:34:08Atomicsunsetthe computer doesnt give my access to it
22:34:21PaulPositionatomicsunset - Hmm, maybe some enumeration problem which happens when you plug unplug plug ... too often (I think). I would try rebooting the computer but I can't say for sure.
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22:35:57Cassandraroolku, what the hell did you do to that H120?
22:36:30tucozCassandra, even if you see little point in adding the GPL. Do you have anything against it, apart from that?
22:36:33roolkuclock plugin works as well: roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/clock_plugin.jpg">http://roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/clock_plugin.jpg
22:36:45roolkucassandra: I have enhanced it. :)
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22:37:16Atomicsunsetno go paul
22:37:21Atomicsunsetcomputer doesnt know its there
22:37:43Cassandrathat'd be 'enhanced' Borg stylee, yes?
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22:37:46PaulPositionAtomicsunset - What OS?
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22:37:55Atomicsunsetwin xp mce 05
22:38:07roolkucassandra: hehe - I am going to tidy it up
22:38:20CassandraHmm. My mother is buying me a DS Lite for Christmas. Wonder if I could run Rockbox on it.
22:38:24roolkuit is just 'proof of concept' so far
22:38:31Learatomicsunset: You may need to boot the iPod in that special disk mode (don't know how though)...
22:38:51Atomicsunsetlol i got it
22:38:54Atomicsunsetdunno how
22:39:03Atomicsunseti just shut it down and plugged it in
22:39:20Atomicsunsetok so im gonna copy over the .ipod file
22:39:31Cassandraroolku - Was something I really missed on my H140.
22:39:32Bagdermarkun: congrats on your highscore today! ;-)
22:39:35Atomicsunsetman i just about pissed myself when i couldnt connect
22:39:43PaulPositionAtomic - well, well. yes. Actually there should be one already in the root folder which you'll overwrite.
22:40:15roolkuCassandra: yes, I missed it so much I decided to add it
22:40:39Atomicsunsetim just hoping that it controls the codecs
22:40:47PaulPositionAtomic - So, before you reboot
22:41:13PaulPositionatomicsunset - To confirm that you copied everything in the right place...
22:41:33roolkuunfortunately I killed my second chip in the process (the pin for Vbackup came off) so I'll have to wait to get another before I can add it to my h140 (the h120 is just for experimentation)
22:41:58PaulPositionatomicsunset - In .rockbox you should have a viewers.config file that's date 30 sept... right?
22:42:06roolkuenough gloating - back to work...
22:42:28Cassandraroolku - kudos to you. I'm surprised it's even possible.
22:42:32Atomicsunsetyes
22:43:08Atomicsunsetso now i should try to play music again
22:43:09Atomicsunset?
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22:43:29PaulPositionAtomicsunset: You should.
22:43:34Atomicsunsetok sweet
22:43:40Atomicsunseti have the new splash screen
22:43:43Atomicsunsetmusic works..
22:43:55Bagderdan_a: I'll request a datasheet for the AS31515 => http://www.austriamicrosystems.com/03products/products_detail/AS3515/request_product_AS3515_datasheet.htm
22:44:11Atomicsunseteverything is better placement
22:44:15PaulPositionatomicunset - up till now, that sounds good. :)
22:44:28Atomicsunseti still dont have the bottom play/pause menu
22:45:01Atomicsunsetlol the track info while playing is up way high
22:45:06dan_aBagder: Thanks. Hopefully they will be helpful. I'm just searching to see if anything similar is available for public download anywhere, but I've not found anything yet
22:45:12PaulPositionatomicsunset - Of course you'll need to create all those pesky cover.bmp files now.
22:45:18Atomicsunsetthats fine
22:45:23PaulPositionHmm.
22:45:24Atomicsunsetwhere do i put them?
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22:45:49Atomicsunsetand is there a way to get the bottom play/pause menu to work ?
22:46:43LearBeats me if anything actually went wrong with that build... :) CVS page does look a bit odd though.
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22:47:40Atomicsunsetmy track info is way up in the top left corner
22:47:49PaulPositionAtomicsunset - I can't say for sure. I usually clear settings everytime I change theme. Also some themes could get broken from small changes in the current cvs, etc. Best bet would be to write to the guy's blog, at the address I gave you earlier.
22:48:02ArathisPaulPosition: could you give me the link to barrys bootloader patch? couldn't find it in the irc-log
22:48:06PaulPosition(clearing settings sometimes help, sometimes not)
22:48:13PaulPositionArathis - Yep, one second please :)
22:48:18Atomicsunseti cleared 2x now
22:48:20Atomicsunsetthats cool
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22:48:28Atomicsunsetthanks for all your patience and help paul
22:48:33tucozBagder, new target on the cvs page?
22:48:36PaulPositionyou're welcome.
22:48:43ArathisPaulPosition: or do you have a working bootloader for the h20? :D
22:49:18*amiconn is puzzled
22:49:19Bagdertucoz: yeah, I'm adding sansa normal and boot builds
22:49:25tucozcool
22:49:33amiconnATA dma works as long as I don't use auto-align
22:49:34Bagderalthough I think I've made some minor mistakes
22:49:39PaulPositionArathis - http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-12/0002.shtml
22:49:51Bagderwhich is why it turned red
22:49:55PaulPositionArathis - Sorry, never compiled for other target than mine.
22:49:57amiconn(but then it's slower than the asm optimised transfer)
22:50:11ArathisPaulPosition: which is yours?
22:50:22PaulPosition5gb
22:50:25amiconnAs soon as I enable auto-align, reading obviously misses data words.... that doesn't make sense
22:50:29Arathisk. thx for the link
22:50:41amiconnI almost suspect a bug in the mcf5249 dma controller...
22:51:54PaulPositionArathis - If you build and test, please do tell if the crossfeed freeze the player. :)
22:52:17ArathisI'll try.
22:53:35ArathisPaulPosition: i only need to build the bootloader and use normal cvs or daily build, right?
22:54:18PaulPositionNope, alas. Mixes up will hang during boot. You need both.
22:55:34PaulPositionArathis - Don't forget to ../tools/scramble the bootloader and if you want to test dualboot, to unencrypt the original.mi4 file. :)
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22:56:35BagderI got an all italian email today with an mi4 attachment... :-)
22:57:28PaulPositionBadger: Nice.. Alas Babbelfish doesn't decrypt as well as mi4code tool...
22:57:42Bagder:-)
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23:03:27netmasta10btso it seems the as3515 is integrated in the pp5022
23:04:22ArathisPaulPosition: could you give me a litte summary on how to make that? in the wiki I can look up how to apply the patch, but I really don't know what to do than and how to do it :/
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23:04:33Bagdernetmasta10bt: I've requested a data sheet now... we'll see what happens
23:04:34dan_anetmasta10bt: It would seem so
23:04:44netmasta10btvery cool
23:04:59PaulPositionArathis - Hmm.. I'm not so sure about the scramble tool useage. Lemme have a look I'll get back to you.
23:05:03dan_aMaybe - if we can get a data sheet
23:05:48ArathisPaulPosition: perhaps a pm at misticriver or rockbox forum? haven't got the time for it now. if you can't make it I'll ask barry
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23:06:48PaulPositionArathis - Well, I can start building a 20g for you if you're not in toooooo much of a hurry.
23:07:02PaulPositionarathis - can't guarantee it will work good though. :)
23:07:27ArathisI like doing it myself ^^
23:08:03PaulPositionArathis - Then wait a second, I'm trying to find out what code to scramble the H20 with.
23:08:04ArathisI'm not in a hurry, but for testing reasons it would be better if I'd know how to build it myself
23:08:12PaulPositionsure. :)
23:08:54PaulPositionArathis - Well, if you have checked-out the whole rockbox-devel cvs (so you have the 'bootloader' folder) we could try and walk you through.
23:11:29PaulPositionArathis - Where you at? Patched?
23:11:31Arathischecked it out some hours ago via vmware debian (though I haven't managed to compile on my linux machine till now: arm-elf-gcc problems :/)
23:11:50PaulPositionArathis - Yeah, I use the cmware image meself.
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23:12:03PaulPositionvmware.
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23:12:49Natalic1I got a question...Anyone use the iPOD photo?
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23:13:35PaulPositionMany people do, although maybe not online at the moment. Do ask, however :)
23:14:25Natalic1i was going to make a program to auto-install rockbox
23:14:30Natalic1for the photo.
23:14:34PaulPositionArathis - You still alive?
23:15:05ArathisPaulPosition: a bit of ^^ (11am here)
23:15:08PaulPositionMatalic - You should have a talk with Cassandra, I think she's working on a superinstaller at the moment...
23:15:47Natalic1they are not around are they?
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23:16:56PaulPositionArathis - lol.. Okay, when you have a question on building just ask me.
23:17:38PaulPositionMatalix1 - Cassandra was around not long ago, but she might be knee-deep in code (or in real-life) right now..
23:18:01Natalic1Oh another question, my iPod totally froze when I was using Rockbox after listening to a song for 5 minutes
23:18:01PaulPositionsry, Mattalic1.
23:18:06Natalic1Its ok:-p
23:18:10Natalic1spelling doesn't matter to me
23:18:29PaulPositionmatalic - When is your build from?
23:18:33peturrofl
23:18:37pixelmaPaulPosition: read again ;)
23:18:46Natalic1well it was off the "daily:
23:18:47Natalic1so
23:18:56Natalic1i wasn't too surprised
23:19:04Natalic1i wanted to see the code to ipodpatcher
23:19:12*Cassandra uses a iPod Video, anyway. Or was there a different question?
23:19:12PaulPositionpixelma - yeah, I'm a lean mean typo-making machine..
23:19:28*Cassandra is planning to be deep in her duvet before too long, actually.
23:19:47Natalic1Cassandra, I'm going to code an installer for iPod photo
23:19:53PaulPositionCassamdra - it was more along the line of " <Natalic1> i was going to make a program to auto-install rockbox"
23:20:03PaulPositionAren't you like working on one?
23:20:09Cassandrarbutil already works for the iPod photo.
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23:20:20Natalic1o, where can i get it?
23:20:29kubiixNatalic1: freezing of daily build for iPod Photo can be caused by some bug in CPU boosting
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23:21:00Cassandrahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
23:21:16Natalic1I do PHP coding if anyone needs it
23:21:21CassandraNo bootloader installation yet, but soon, maybe.
23:21:47Natalic1I was going to do that
23:21:54Natalic1Mine would patch everything
23:21:57Natalic1and check for the ipod
23:22:00Natalic1and do the processing
23:22:14Natalic1because it looks like this uses a lot of clumpy code
23:22:25CassandraWell, if you GPL it, I'll probably stick the relevent code in rockbox utility too.
23:22:35Natalic1widgets and that are crazy
23:22:48CassandraWell, each to her own.
23:22:58Natalic1thing is i need ipodpatcher's source, otherwise i actually have to pipe the data
23:23:08n1sther's already a "rockbox x installer" for the ipods
23:23:16Natalic1x/
23:23:17Natalic1?
23:23:26Bagderand the ipodpatcher's code is there for download
23:23:44Natalic1i couldn't find it
23:23:49Bagderhttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/
23:23:58Natalic1:-s need any php coding done?
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23:24:50Bagderyou'd write an installer using php?
23:25:04Natalic1:)) C++
23:25:09Natalic1i just want to do some PHP coding
23:25:35Bagderpersonally, I'm not very fond of C++ nor PHP ;-)
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23:25:46Natalic1well delphi is nice
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23:26:05CassandraC++ is fine for GUI development.
23:26:13Natalic1no, its terrible=))
23:26:27ani-adomhi
23:26:30Natalic1it takes a lot of subclassing
23:26:35Cassandra*shrug*
23:26:36kubiixI use C#
23:26:39Natalic1eww
23:26:44Natalic1.net sucks
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23:27:44CassandraNatalic1, you seem to be awfully judgemental.
23:28:10Bagderlots of strong words
23:28:19Natalic1i use microsoft's stuff
23:28:32Natalic1i use VS 2003 for god's sakes:|
23:28:34ani-adomis it possible to set in a themes file lang and codec lang?
23:28:38CassandraIf there's one thing I've learnt in the fifteen years since I started in the IT industry is that pretty much everything has its own strengths and weaknesses.
23:28:48Natalic1:|
23:28:58Natalic1You have been doing that as long as I've been alive almost.
23:29:21Bagderhey, then you should be in bed by now! ;-)
23:29:26Natalic1I'm 17
23:29:40Natalic1And it's only 5:29 PM here.
23:29:45Bagderhaha
23:29:55Natalic1And don't let my age fool you...
23:29:57BagderI'm 36 and its 23:28 here
23:30:06Natalic1So its 11pm?
23:30:09Natalic1thats nice.
23:30:10CassandraOh, I don't think it did.
23:30:11*petur copies Bagder
23:30:25peturexcept it's 23:30
23:30:36Bagderhm yes it is
23:30:42ani-adomis it possible to set in a themes file lang and codec lang?
23:30:45Bagderwhy's my clock off...
23:30:46Natalic1I use C++,PHP,Assembler,VB,and OSs I have a lot under my belt.
23:31:08Bagderyeah sure, for two weeks each
23:31:15Bagder:-P
23:31:16Natalic1...two weeks?
23:31:17Natalic1:))
23:31:28Natalic1Me and Mac Os and Linux go WAY back
23:31:45Natalic1I was incharge of fixing my school's computers for an old teacher
23:31:54Natalic1I was sent around the school to repair them
23:32:20*Bagder learned assembler around 1986
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23:32:32Natalic1Well, ASM I just toy with
23:32:41Natalic1It's too much mov'ing for me.
23:32:58Bagderluxury! in my days we had lda sta! ;-O
23:33:02CassandraBagder is even older than me. Sucks to be him.
23:33:13Natalic1Hahaha, poor people.
23:33:17Natalic1Should I even make the installer?
23:33:44CassandraIf you want to, sure.
23:33:49BagderI would think that the people mostly needing an installer isn't around here to reply!
23:34:07Natalic1I don't have anything but ipod
23:34:09Natalic1I got a palm
23:34:10Natalic1:(
23:34:14Natalic1i want a hack for that
23:34:15Natalic1so bad
23:34:32XavierGrroolku: Grats on your terrific mod
23:34:59XavierGrroolku: Please make a nice wiki page with pics and detailed instructions, I am very interested in this
23:35:28ani-adomis it possible to set in a themes file lang and codec lang?
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23:35:58Bagderani-adom: I don't understand the question? You mean if you can set the language in a theme file?
23:36:00Natalic1I have been trying to find something to program.
23:36:02Cassandra"Rockbox Installer X is the latest development from the team of developers that brought you the original Rockbox Installer for Windows iPods."
23:36:09ani-adomBagder: yes
23:36:14Bagderani-adom: then yes
23:36:16CassandraYou know, I'm pretty sure I wrote the original installer.
23:36:19ani-adomammm
23:36:31Natalic1I haven't been able to make anything lately.
23:36:32ani-adomBagder: what sould i write?
23:36:39Natalic1Because I can not think of anything
23:36:48ani-adomi want to see n example
23:37:15BagderI don't remember off the top of my head, you can most certainly figure it out if you try
23:39:46CassandraTry the wiki. It's full of instructiony type things.
23:40:05Natalic1Can one of you maybe give me an idea of a program to make?
23:40:28BagderNatalic1: we have 300+ open feature requests!
23:40:33ani-adomCassandra: in rockbox org?
23:40:56Natalic1But I don't know how to make anything like that, never had to:|
23:41:46Bagder"<Natalic1> I use C++,PHP,Assembler,VB,and OSs I have a lot under my belt."
23:41:55Cassandraani-adom, yes.
23:42:01Natalic1yes, but RockBox isn't a windows app:((
23:42:27CassandraRockbox is a C program. Just like any other.
23:42:45Natalic1but, i don't have the environment to test either
23:42:45CassandraIf you can write C, you can develop Rockbox.
23:43:14CassandraThere's a VMware image of the environment on the wiki also.
23:43:15ArathisPaulPosition: tried to apply the patch but it gives an error
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23:43:22CassandraIt's amazing how useful that wiki is.
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23:43:45Natalic1but isn't ipod and whats its really made for different
23:43:46CassandraAnd after we try so hard to make sure it contains no information of any practical purpose too.
23:43:51Natalic1and i dont run vmware, i am not paying for it
23:44:04CassandraThe player is free.
23:44:05Bagderthe vmware player is zero price
23:44:22Natalic1i would have pirated it anyway
23:44:22Natalic1os
23:44:24Natalic1so&
23:44:43ArathisPaulPosition: "can't find the file to patch at input line 8" | "Index: bootloader/e200.c" | "RCS file: /cvsroot/rockbox/bootloader/e200.c,v"
23:44:55*dan_a feels his troll sense tingling
23:44:57webguest50I just learned about rockbox today, and have a few quick questions. I wonder if someone would be kind enough to help me out?
23:45:36PaulPositionArathis - Sure you do have the whole rockbox-devel sources? Wait a second, I restart vmware..:)
23:45:41dan_aArathis: Have you tried using patch -p0 and patch -p1?
23:45:55dan_awebguest50: Ask, and if anyone knows they will help
23:45:57Arathisdan_a: nope
23:46:05*Arathis has no patch experience
23:46:05Bagderlooks like a -p0 on that index hint
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23:46:10ArathisPaulPosition: yes :)
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23:46:24PaulPositionlol... They have the answer.
23:46:55Arathisso "patch -p0 < *.patch" ?
23:47:03*amiconn will drop the ide dma idea now
23:47:04Natalic1ok, where can i get the environment?
23:47:08amiconnOn coldfire that is
23:47:32PaulPositionYeah, if you do this from /rockbox-devel
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23:48:14Arathisbtw: what does '-p0' ?
23:48:40ArathisPaulPosition: worked. what next? :)
23:48:41PaulPositionArathis: removes one folder from path.
23:48:45Kasperlevmware server is now free as well
23:48:57roolkuXavierGr: thanks, and I will - it is not very difficult if you got good eyes and a calm hand. :)
23:48:58PaulPositionArathis: make a folder, like bootbuild or something..
23:49:01amiconnKasperle: For quite some time, yes
23:49:03Kasperleit's a bit more powerful than vmware player
23:49:30Kasperleamiconn: yeah. but it seems a lot of people have not yet noticed
23:49:35Natalic1how do i get the development environment?
23:49:44amiconnFor some reason I thought it can only be installed on a server os
23:49:49PaulPositionArathis - Get in there and ../tools/configure - Choose your target and then <B>ootloader.
23:50:00Kasperleamiconn: i installed it on Windows XP, and on CentOS Linux
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23:50:20ArathisPaulPosition: what about scrambling or whatever?
23:50:22*amiconn has VMware Workstation 5.5
23:50:33Kasperlethat's even nicer :) multiple snapshots
23:50:36PaulPositionYeah, first those steps.
23:50:45Kasperlevmware server can only do one at a atime
23:50:51PaulPositionArathis - you ran the configure tool allright?
23:51:34Arathisnope. just asked 'cause I thought it could be that it had to be done before
23:51:48Natalic1Cassandra, are you there?
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23:51:55*Arathis is running configure tool know
23:51:56PaulPositionArathis - correct.
23:52:03CassandraAs much as I ever was.
23:52:15Natalic1K, can we talk in PM or you a chat-only person?
23:52:34AmyI just heard about Rockbox today, and was wondering if someone could answer a few questions?
23:52:43BagderAmy: shoot
23:52:49CassandraIf you like, although I'm heading off soon.
23:52:55PaulPositionArathis - When that's done, just type 'make' (without quotes) and wait for it to finish in a few seconds.
23:53:08Natalic1I just need to know, what is currently not developed for the iPod Photo?
23:53:26ArathisPaulPosition: so what. "correct" means "scrambling has to be done before" or not?
23:53:31CassandraErm, in what sense not developed.
23:53:41Natalic1not implemented
23:53:46PaulPositionArathis - Nah, sorry for confusion. I meant 'ok!'.
23:54:03Cassandrato be honest, I'm not entirely sure. I have a 5g myself.
23:54:13AmyI have a 60 gig ipod photo formatted for Windows. It already has my music collection and playlists on it. I'm visually impaired but I use itunes to transfer my music to my ipod with no problems. Will rockbox work with itunes? If not, how do I get my music on to my ipod?
23:54:33Natalic1dual boot?
23:54:38Natalic1I would say
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23:54:50Natalic1So should I just develop an installer and give it to u?
23:54:50SoapAmy, Rockbox will work with iTunes, but not nessacarely in the way you are used to.
23:54:53PaulPositionSo you create the makefile by hitting ../tools/configure, choosing (14)H10 20gb and (B)ootloader and after that's done you type 'make'.
23:55:08linuxstbNatalic1: See the IpodStatus wiki page (another useful wiki page...)
23:55:11PaulPositionArathis - Then we'll be scrambling it.
23:55:11ani-adomammmmm
23:55:21ArathisPaulPosition: okay :)
23:55:33SoapAmy, Rockbox has its own database of track info, similar in many respects to the iTunes datanbase, but not compatible.
23:55:36ani-adomwho can i set a codecpage to hebrew 8859 8 in themes?
23:55:50Natalic1Got a link?...
23:56:14linuxstbwww.rockbox.org, then click on the wiki link, then type "IpodStatus" in the "go to" box
23:56:15SoapAmy, There is a tool I have never used in the wiki to convert the iTunes database to the Rockbox database, this is something you would need to run every time you added tracks through iTunes.
23:56:29ArathisPaulPosition: "File encoded successfully"
23:56:51SoapAmy, Rockbox itself can also build the database based upon the tracks it finds on your ipod.
23:57:10AmyDo I still get features such as organization by album/artist/genre and playlists?
23:57:11PaulPositionArathis - It gave you a few pages of codes, right? If you browse back quickly do you see any 'warning' ?
23:57:14CassandraNatalic1, I'd be interested to see anything you develop, but you shouldn't do it on my account. I'm still planning how to implement installing the bootloader on rbutil, and I want to do it in a way that means I can do it on any platform supported by Rockbox.
23:57:18 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat")
23:57:36SoapAmy: yes, the rockbox database can be used to display your tracks in a similar manner to the Apple Stock Firmware.
23:57:52 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara")
23:57:55ani-adomwho can i set a codecpage to hebrew 8859 8 in themes?
23:58:20SoapAmy: I am unaware, however, on the status of being able to use the playlists created by iTunes. I strongly assume you can not.
23:58:22Natalic1im on a photo, rockbox is known to freeze so...i really don't want to install it again
23:58:28 Quit cubic_cube ("Royal Ra<in:b;ow!")
23:58:55SoapNatalic1: there is an unsupported build which stops most of the freezes on the ipod 4G.

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