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#rockbox log for 2006-12-08

00:01:47 Join zylche [0] (n=wheee@82-41-83-91.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk)
00:02:41 Join habana [0] (i=58a10615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-111737a903498c72)
00:03:34dan_aHmmm, this Sanyo radio chip in the Sansa is weird. As far as I can tell, to tune it you write some random value to the frequency register, measure the frequency it's tuned to, and based on that write a higher or lower number to the frequency register. Is that normal?
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00:05:44habanaare there devs awake ? i'd like to submit a tool that could perharps help
00:05:45 Quit [Gino] ("Leaving")
00:06:19dan_ahabana: What tool?
00:06:37PaulPositionhabana - Most of them will read the log and won't miss much if they're not present :)
00:07:05habanaif course, they read "offline" too.
00:07:13habanaOk, let me find my link
00:08:29habanahttp://wiki.s1mp3.org/index.php/S1giveio
00:08:49habanareal time access to the players hardware (ROMs, displays, flash chips, radio controller, ...)
00:09:21habanabut it may only work for s1mp3 clones (?)
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00:11:09habanai made a prayer so Mr H would save my soul (soul or sansa, don't remember ;) )
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00:17:54PaulPositionOkay guys, have a great evening/morning/whatever the sun says.
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00:21:31habanadan_a: concerning the radio chip, my french player dont have one. how lucky you are
00:22:39dan_ahabana: My English player doesn't have one either, but I've got the datasheet for it and MrH's work to say how to talk to it
00:23:13habanaso we could add one ???
00:24:04dan_aThat might work. I was just trying to write the driver for our friends who aren't in Europe, though!
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00:37:08pixelmadan_a: did you open your player and look inside if there really is no radio chip present?
00:37:57dan_apixelma: Not yet. I believe that others have.
00:38:05*dan_a goes to find a screwdriver
00:39:24pixelmawas just reminded of the early Archos Recorder V2 (shipped with no radio functionality) but still had the hardware
00:39:57Terinjokeslol
00:40:14pixelmawith rockbox it's usable
00:40:30 Join SimonSelki [0] (n=SimonSel@ppp-70-243-67-117.dsl.snantx.swbell.net)
00:40:44SimonSelkihey
00:40:52SimonSelkiwhos not a bot on this channel?
00:41:12SimonSelkino one?
00:41:15Genre9mp3I'm a bot
00:41:23preglowi am
00:41:36preglowas a matter of fact, this is an automated response
00:41:41SimonSelkicool stuff man
00:41:41SimonSelkimaybe you can help me
00:41:42SimonSelkihah
00:41:49SimonSelkiWhat isn't these days?
00:41:54preglownot me, surely
00:42:02SimonSelkiIt's all humanity is....
00:42:04SimonSelkianyways
00:42:08preglowanywho, if you've got a question, just ask
00:42:10preglowbrb
00:42:15SimonSelkiOkay
00:42:29SimonSelkiI'm installing Rockbox on my iPod Nano
00:42:32Terinjokesyes
00:42:45*Terinjokes uses rockbox on his nano
00:43:03 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@143.238.95.7)
00:43:05SimonSelkiI'm up to the point where I've opend MS-DOS and running the ipodpatcher
00:43:14Terinjokesok
00:43:24SimonSelkiit won't recognize any of the numbers I put in
00:43:34SimonSelkiI mean, like
00:43:38SimonSelkiipodpatcher 0
00:43:43SimonSelkiipodpatcher 1
00:43:46SimonSelkiand so on
00:43:54SimonSelkinothing comes up on any of em
00:44:00SimonSelkiwell, you know what I mean
00:44:08Terinjokesyour following http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation ?
00:44:18SimonSelkiyes
00:44:31pixelmawhat Nano do you have?
00:44:44SimonSelkiThe one that's compatible
00:44:50preglow100% sure about that?
00:44:52SimonSelkiFirst Gen I think
00:44:54SimonSelkiyeah
00:44:56preglowplastic front?
00:44:59preglowokies
00:44:59SimonSelkisteel backing and all
00:45:09preglowcan't help much, since i don't have windows
00:45:19SimonSelkihmm
00:45:56TerinjokesSimon...you set the ipod to disk mode, right?
00:46:03SimonSelkiyes
00:46:18MembrilloHmmm anyone, whats the difference between the gigabeat X's and F's?
00:46:54Terinjokesok...and do you get a 'ipodwizard.exe command not found'?
00:47:09Membrilloconsidering replacing my very worn H320 with a gigabeat... gigabeats a good pick?
00:47:12SimonSelkino, it opens the ipodpatcher
00:47:27Terinjokesok...and so nonw of the numbers 1 through 26 work>
00:47:42SimonSelkibut, like the patcher is supposed to say... exactly
00:47:48SimonSelki0-26
00:48:19Terinjokesyes...yes, so it spits out information about space on your ipod?
00:48:27Terinjokes"NOTE For beginners. You know that it is found when a table shows up in comand prompt displaying things such as how much space is used on your iPod."
00:48:55SimonSelkino, no info about my ipod
00:49:00oboDoes your nano show up as a drive letter within windows?
00:49:09SimonSelkiyeah
00:49:13SimonSelkiG:\
00:49:20preglowdan_a: did you find out anything about the crossfeed, btw?
00:50:12Terinjokesare you logged into XP as an administrator?
00:50:24SimonSelkiI'm using '98
00:50:27dan_apreglow: Not really. The value it had as R0 was way outside the memory space, but I could not work out why
00:50:28SimonSelkioh.... shit
00:50:41preglowthat might be a problem, i think
00:50:48preglowthe windows 98 thing :>
00:50:49Terinjokeserr...does ipodoatcher work for 98?
00:50:51preglowdan_a: weird
00:50:53SimonSelkihow big a problem you think?
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00:51:02preglowSimonSelki: depends on the code, and i really don't know it at all
00:51:13preglowSimonSelki: but it's very possible it is a problem
00:51:23SimonSelkiI'm seriously going to shoot my right testie if 98 causes me more trouble
00:51:23Terinjokeshrm... Simon stay put
00:51:30SimonSelkithanks
00:51:34preglowSimonSelki: you mean it doesn't already cause you problems? :)
00:51:40SimonSelkihah
00:51:49Terinjokeshey, at least he's not on ME :D
00:51:52SimonSelkiit causes too many, one more would be too much
00:52:13preglowbut yeah, at least 98 shouldn't give you any problems about being the admin
00:52:28SimonSelkihold on, I'm going to see if I can access a comp with XP
00:53:01SimonSelkiif I install Rockbox with a different computer, I should still be able to access it with this 98 one, right?
00:53:08preglowsure
00:53:15amiconnI guess ipodpatcher won't work on 9x
00:53:48MembrilloDoes anyone know if the Gigabeat X series is UMS?
00:53:48amiconnI presume it does its direct disk access using nt-style calls
00:53:57Terinjokesprobably
00:54:14SimonSelki...i will.... radiohead
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00:55:03Membrilloanyone know RE: gigabeatX-UMS?
00:55:13Terinjokesi LOVE radiohead :D
00:55:32Terinjokesno, it doesn't seem like ipodpatcher, or the iPL tool will work under XP
00:55:42SimonSelkithats the reason I got this ipod
00:55:44SimonSelkidamn damn
00:55:58Terinjokes98*
00:56:06SimonSelkiwait...
00:56:11SimonSelkiso it should work on 98?
00:56:34Terinjokesno, doesn't look like it works under 98, works under XP
00:56:51oboipodpatcher won't, but after that you'll be fine to copy music / new builds to it under 98
00:57:01SimonSelkigreat
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00:57:11SimonSelkiI can get access I guess to a comp with XP
00:57:14Terinjokesyeah...after you have the bootloader install, everything else you can do from 98
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00:57:16SimonSelkiI's so poor
00:57:31SimonSelkiokay, so I've only heard about Rockbox
00:57:32TerinjokesSimon, you can try to install in Linux...i think knoppix would work
00:57:50webguest41interesting problem for anybody that can shed some light: i installed the latest daily build on my 4th gen grayscale ipod but decided that it was a little too 'developmental' for my unrefined tastes. so i'd like to get the original firmware back on my ipod. the uninstall part of the manual refers to using ipodpatcher to accomplish this. unfortunately, i'm running linux and it looks like this is a windows prog
00:58:32SimonSelkihmm
00:58:39obodd bootpartition.bin back to your ipod
00:58:42Terinjokeswebguest, you made a backup of bootpartition.bin, right?
00:58:46webguest41yep
00:59:10Terinjokesthen just dd it back to your ipod
00:59:11SimonSelkiwhich reminds me, how do I do that too?
00:59:34SimonSelkiI've never used linux or MS-DOS for much
00:59:44SimonSelkiTelnet occasionally
00:59:47webguest41good ?, simonselki. i'm also in the dark here.
00:59:48TerinjokesSimon...part of installing (personally i don't keep backups on my bootpartition.bin...just use itunes to reset it...)
00:59:57TerinjokesSimon, BBSer?
01:00
01:00:07SimonSelkiBBSer?
01:00:13Terinjokesnvm
01:00:16SimonSelkiheh
01:00:18SimonSelkisorry man
01:00:59SimonSelkiSo Rockbox is fully functional on a nano?
01:01:10Terinjokesyeah...use it on mine
01:01:21SimonSelkiAll the graphics and fonts?
01:01:21SimonSelki,am
01:01:25SimonSelki...
01:01:25SimonSelkiman
01:01:56Terinjokesits not like your playing videos on your nano :P, but plays music...thats what I use it for...every now and then play a game of doom
01:02:05SimonSelkiI'm mostly eager to get it working on my nano because the apple software sucks so damn much
01:02:27Terinjokeshe, i'm a mac user...i don't see why everyone hates iTunes....
01:02:37SimonSelkiIt's not iTunes
01:02:43SimonSelkiI love iTunes
01:02:54SimonSelkiIt's the running firmware on the actual iPod
01:03:02Terinjokeshere, here... what don't you like about it?
01:03:45SimonSelkiI've had the iPod for 2 days and had 2 serious conflicts with it
01:04:00SimonSelkiat present, it won't even load
01:04:11SimonSelkiit only works in Diskmode
01:04:15SimonSelkiMyxamatosis
01:04:32Terinjokesinteresting...probably want to use iTunes to reset it, tried that?
01:04:44SimonSelkiheh, 98, remember?
01:04:50SimonSelkiI guess it's my fault
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01:05:02SimonSelkiI have no legitimate reason to not like the software
01:05:13Terinjokeshey GMouse...nice for you to join us :P
01:05:17SimonSelkiall this anger derives from my crappy comp
01:05:35GMouseHey! Wasn't expecting to see you in here as well.
01:05:37Terinjokeshehe...you might want to upgrade to XP :P
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01:05:57Terinjokesi help out users in both places :D
01:06:30Terinjokesparticularly because installation is SO similar
01:07:05SimonSelkiokay man, I'm going for that transfer
01:07:11SimonSelkiI'll brb
01:07:13SimonSelkiand let you know
01:07:22SimonSelkithanks so much for your help
01:07:22***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:07:33Terinjokesno problem
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01:09:26GMouseOk, so second gen nano support is sketchy. How does one distinguish between first and second?
01:09:28 Quit ender` (" In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penisses)
01:10:05JdGordonGMouse: 2nd gen anno is not supported at all
01:10:51GMouseSo it isn't.
01:10:52zylcheYeah, if it farks up, it's 2nd generation :P
01:11:02TerinjokesGMouse, second gen is all one color (ie, all red), but the first has plastic on the front, metal on the back
01:11:17GMouseAh.
01:11:22GMouseThanks Terinjokes
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01:14:24SimonSelkiokay, so how would I make a backup of the .bin file I'm extracting?
01:15:11Terinjokescopy it somewhere...like to a USB drive, or CD
01:15:26SimonSelkihard drive?
01:16:09Terinjokesyeah, someplace safe there :D
01:16:17SimonSelkiHey, did you say you played doom on your nano?
01:16:22SimonSelkiThat's insane
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01:16:39TerinjokesDoom and Doom 2, sorry no Doom3 :D
01:17:04SimonSelkiWell jesus man!
01:17:18SimonSelkiI 've only heard of rockbox
01:17:25SimonSelkiI had no idea it could do that!
01:17:31SimonSelkiokay, another question
01:17:52SimonSelkiWill I be able to edit things like font files and backdrops on this 98 computer
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01:18:05SimonSelkiis it like iTunes? an active program?
01:18:16SimonSelkior is it simply dropping files into the proper folders?
01:18:19Terinjokesi've never edited the fonts...
01:18:33SimonSelkiman, I'm all about cusomization
01:18:34Terinjokesyou can add themes by simply draging them to the proper folders
01:18:45Terinjokesi'm sure its somewhere on the wiki
01:18:59preglowugh, i just took a crawl through codecs/ and found libFLAC again :///
01:19:03preglowwhy the hell is it still there?
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01:19:06SimonSelkiactually, I was hoping to put the album art for Amnesiac or Hail to the Thief
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01:19:48Terinjokesyou'll have to apply a patch to rockbox in order to show ablum art, but that's not supported
01:20:58amiconnpreglow: It's still there to annoy you? ;)
01:21:18preglowamiconn: only reason i could think of too
01:21:39amiconnSome kind of 'reference', maybe
01:21:47SimonSelkiI mean, as the backdrop
01:21:49amiconnAt least it's not built anymore, unlike dumb
01:21:50preglowi don't think we need our references commited
01:22:03preglowyeah, the dumb code too should just be deleted
01:22:05SimonSelkiThe album art would be the backdrop....
01:22:07Terinjokesyes, you can edit a theme to add a different backdrop
01:22:16SimonSelkitee hee
01:22:22SimonSelkiThat's all I need in life
01:22:30SimonSelkithe illusion that I'm in controle
01:22:34amiconn*Someone* wanted to make a codec of it...
01:22:36preglowdumb support never materialised, so we should just delete it and wait for a patch
01:22:37*amiconn looks at HCl
01:22:38Terinjokesbut it would be only the picture you make it, ie... it won't change for each song
01:22:53SimonSelkiyeah
01:22:55SimonSelkiI know
01:23:01SimonSelkiI just really like the album art
01:23:07SimonSelkihave you seen it?
01:23:19SimonSelkiI can't pin it, but it's so damn convicting
01:23:24SimonSelkiHail to the Thief I mean
01:23:31preglowthink i'll ask again when there's more people awake
01:23:35SimonSelkiAmnesiac's pretty good too I guess
01:23:38preglowi don't see a point in keeping dead code
01:23:54preglowand especially not libFLAC, ghah
01:23:55Terinjokesinteresting ablum art
01:24:31SimonSelkiAnyone hear Light Grenades?
01:24:37SimonSelkiNew album from Incubus
01:24:44SimonSelkiI don't know if anyone here is a fan
01:25:12Terinjokesmeh, a little bit
01:25:56SimonSelkiyeah, well
01:26:00SimonSelkiI'm listening to it now
01:26:05SimonSelkiit's so mediocre
01:26:43SimonSelkithere's a few tracks definitely worth listening to
01:26:52SimonSelkibut mostly is just mediocre
01:26:53Terinjokespersonally i like more Aussie/British rock... i listen to a little hard/metal every once in a while...
01:27:11TerinjokesSimon, you might be interested in rockbox's Last.fm feature
01:27:22SimonSelkiWhat is it?
01:27:45SimonSelkiand I don't know that I've heard to much aussie or brittish rock.... ever
01:27:48SimonSelkiKeen?
01:27:57SimonSelkiis Coldplay brittish?
01:28:20SimonSelkimostly, what Last.fm feature?
01:28:28Terinjokesvisit last.fm
01:28:47SimonSelki...on the page obviously.... got it
01:29:06TerinjokesEvermore, The Futureheads, stuff like that
01:29:21SimonSelkinope, never heard em
01:29:25MembrilloCream? Ramones? arent they british?
01:29:38SimonSelkiCream is way too mellow for my tastes
01:29:42Terinjokesi listen to both, don't know if ther're british
01:29:42SimonSelkiI like chill tracks
01:29:47Membrilloa lot of that old pre-punk stuff
01:29:51SimonSelkibut it's way way to.... creamy
01:29:54SimonSelkisay
01:30:06SimonSelkiRadiohead brittish? I Thom York is
01:30:13Membrilloradiohead is
01:30:20Membrilloi dont listen to any of that stuff either
01:30:24Membrilloaussie music for me
01:30:25Terinjokesi Love radiohead
01:30:34TerinjokesMembrillo, like?
01:30:52SimonSelkiRadiohead is my favorite band.... ever
01:30:59SimonSelkidid you listen to The Eraser?
01:31:05Terinjokesno
01:31:08SimonSelkiOh man
01:31:11MembrilloCat Empire, Blue King Brown etc etc.... blues\jazz\reggae sorta stuff
01:31:22SimonSelkiJesus, I don't know what to think about it
01:31:30SimonSelkiThom York is so different solo man
01:31:35Terinjokesi'm looking up The Eraser now
01:31:58SimonSelkiI expected it to be a lot more acoustic, but it was the opposite
01:32:13SimonSelkiYeah, Thom Yorks solo album
01:32:22Terinjokesoh, The Eraser is from Radiohead...sucks not on last.fm yet
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01:32:52SimonSelkiwait wait wait
01:33:02SimonSelkiis The Eraser a solo album or not?
01:33:11SimonSelkiI've heard and read lots of stuff
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01:33:55SimonSelkiWow, Last.FM looks impressive
01:34:14SimonSelkihehe, where can I find it's relation to Rockbox?
01:35:05Terinjokesyou have rockbox installed
01:35:16SimonSelkihah
01:35:19SimonSelkinot quite yet
01:35:23SimonSelkiI'm still working on that
01:35:29SimonSelkiman!
01:35:32SimonSelkithat's insane!
01:35:53SimonSelkiI just typed radiohead into the "Find similar artists" search
01:36:14SimonSelkiand 6 or 7 other bands that I listen to came up
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01:36:21SimonSelkisome I don't like....
01:36:27SimonSelkistill impressive
01:36:57SimonSelkimake that 20 or so
01:37:31SimonSelkiokay, going to try now
01:42:04SimonSelkisuccess! I got it to identify in MS-DOS
01:42:10SimonSelkinow for the rest of the process
01:43:32Terinjokeshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog <−−-Last.fm
01:44:49JestreThat looks cool
01:49:55SimonSelkihey man, I hit a tiny snag
01:50:38SimonSelkiat the part where it says to Merge the Rockbox Loader with the apple Firmware
01:50:48Terinjokesok
01:50:56SimonSelkiI get an error message when I input the code
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01:51:17SimonSelkisays "Cannot open apple_os.bin"
01:51:19Terinjokesok...copy and paste want you typed and the output
01:51:56SimonSelkiipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
01:52:24SimonSelkiCannot open firmware image file apple_os.bin
01:52:42SimonSelkiI tried the alternate line of code
01:53:00Terinjokesyou did "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin" right?
01:53:21SimonSelkio not 0
01:53:28SimonSelkiwait
01:53:32SimonSelkithat doesn't look right
01:54:00SimonSelkihere, I tried both these linds
01:54:01Terinjokesi copied and pasted... "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin" is the line
01:54:03SimonSelkilines
01:54:11SimonSelkiokay, thanks
01:54:18Terinjokesand "ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin"
01:54:22SimonSelkiit's different I guess where I'm looking...
01:54:37Terinjokesthen "ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin"
01:55:10SimonSelkidoh, that's what I meant
01:55:13SimonSelkithat one
01:55:26SimonSelkiipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
01:55:31SimonSelkiand it's alternate
01:55:42SimonSelkiipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
01:55:43Terinjokesyou ran the other 2
01:55:48Terinjokeslines first?
01:55:55SimonSelkiyes
01:56:00SimonSelkiI've done it in order
01:56:02Terinjokeshrm...
01:56:09SimonSelkiI mean, if that's what you are asking
01:56:28Terinjokesrun "dir" do you see a apple_os.bin?
01:56:45SimonSelkione sec
01:56:58Terinjokesor any .bin's
01:57:24SimonSelkiyeah
01:57:58Terinjokeslist them
01:58:00SimonSelkiapple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin
01:58:28SimonSelkibootloader-nano.bin
01:58:38SimonSelkirockpartitian.bin
01:58:58SimonSelkiscratch that one
01:59:12SimonSelkibootpartition.bin*
01:59:27Terinjokesok
01:59:32SimonSelkirockboot.bin
01:59:33SimonSelkidas all
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02:00:35SimonSelkithat's all the .bins listed
02:00:40Terinjokesok run ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin
02:03:20SimonSelkiokay, one sec
02:05:10SimonSelki...
02:05:11SimonSelkinothing
02:05:18Terinjokesany output?
02:05:19SimonSelkiit didn't give an error message
02:05:22SimonSelkior any message
02:05:26SimonSelkinone
02:05:33Terinjokesok, and a "dir" doesn't show apple_os.bin?
02:05:57SimonSelkiyes, it does now
02:06:08SimonSelkiam I set?
02:06:12SimonSelkiwas that it?
02:06:54Terinjokesok, now
02:07:05Terinjokesrun "ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin"
02:07:36SimonSelkiokay, one sec
02:10:45SimonSelkiokay
02:10:49SimonSelkiagain, no output
02:11:19Terinjokesok...
02:11:31Terinjokesnow run "ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin"
02:13:01SimonSelkiokay one sec
02:14:55SimonSelkiit said Generating firmware image compatible with iPod video
02:14:59SimonSelkiand that's it
02:15:13Terinjokesok...cool :D
02:15:24SimonSelkiI'm good?
02:15:28SimonSelkiThat was it?
02:15:46Terinjokesrun "ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin" replacing "N" which whatever number you've been using there :D
02:15:59SimonSelkioh man
02:16:01SimonSelkiso good
02:16:33Terinjokesif you need to use a different computer, copy rockboot.bin to the other computer as well
02:17:17SimonSelkialright!
02:17:20SimonSelkiis that it?
02:17:46Terinjokesno
02:17:52SimonSelkiI can install the firmware I mean
02:17:59SimonSelkithat's it for Ms-DOS
02:18:02Terinjokesyes
02:18:07SimonSelkiYES
02:18:09SimonSelkithank you
02:18:11JestreTerinjokes: What does that mean "use a different computer"?
02:18:15SimonSelkithat was like holding my breath
02:19:02TerinjokesSimon is on 98 and ipodpatcher doesn't always work on 98
02:19:31JestreOh, okay
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02:42:01SimonSelkiSUCCESS!!!
02:42:03SimonSelkiYES
02:42:07SimonSelkiYEHEHEHEHEHEHES!
02:42:11SimonSelkiBY GOD YES!
02:42:59SimonSelkiTerinjokes: you there?
02:44:37SimonSelkino?
02:50:53pixelmahe left 20 minutes ago
02:57:06SimonSelkison of a bitch
02:57:23SimonSelkiwell this is the craziest damn thing I've ever experienced
02:57:33SimonSelkiI'll be donating much money to this cause
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09:22:32JdGordonmorning Slasheri, is it posible to interate through the list of albums if tagcache is iitialed? (and if so, is it possible even if database view isnt active?)
09:23:02*petur hands JdGordon more batteries
09:23:22JdGordonhey... only 1 typo
09:23:30petursure?
09:23:46JdGordonyes...
09:24:02*petur looks up some unfamiliar words
09:24:28JdGordons/ iitialed/initialised
09:24:51peturs/interate/iterate
09:25:01JdGordonhaha, ddnt even see that one
09:25:04JdGordongrrr
09:25:23peturs/ddnt/didn't
09:25:29JdGordonthat doesnt count
09:25:36JdGordonthe apostrophe is the devil
09:25:38peturlol
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09:26:00daurnevenin JdGordon
09:26:07JdGordonhowdy
09:27:47JdGordonSlasheri: guess your not around yet, well if im not still here, ill read the log when I get back tomorow night if you can reply
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09:54:21Slasheriyes, it's possible.. but he is gone now
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10:22:56Genre9mp3...these had to be the shortest logs I have ever read when I woke up
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10:28:37n1sold logs? ;-)
10:29:34n1sDoes anyone object to setting disk power off to always on on the supported targets and removing the option?
10:31:32*Genre9mp3 thanks n1s for giving him something Rockbox related to read! :)
10:31:56LinusNi think it might be a good idea
10:32:20n1sI'll cook up a patch and then :-)
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10:33:09Genre9mp3Is there any benefit to have it disabled?
10:33:35tonhi is anyone working on porting creative zen vision m?
10:33:35n1sslightly faster disk spinup
10:33:37markunGenre9mp3: spinup is a bit faster I believe
10:34:00n1ston: not that I've heard
10:34:11tondang
10:34:19toni want to make it but dont no how
10:35:01markunton: someone wanted to start a port, but I don't remember who it was
10:35:41tonso is he saying will he be working on this
10:35:52Genre9mp3I guess not fast enough to keep it as an option then
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11:16:54sebseb01hello !
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11:17:30BenXPI'm monitoring the progress on RockBox for Sansa e200R series
11:18:55sebseb01I want know if is possible to read a recurcively a directory (i have a H10/5GB player)
11:18:56sebseb01?
11:19:54n1swhat do you mean "read" a directory?
11:20:00linuxstb_What do you mean? There's an option to recursively insert files into a playlist.
11:20:35Genre9mp3sebseb01: Menu > Playlist Options > Recursively Insert Directories > On (if that's what you want)
11:21:02sebseb01thanks Genre9mp3, it's exactly that
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11:23:45n1sIs there any way to tell if the disk is actually powered off (H300)?
11:25:14amiconnA multimeter...
11:26:11n1si don't have one where I am... anyone wants to take a look at the patch?
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11:31:10webguest20I've seen the page about the RTC mod for H140. One feature was that the RTC still works while the player is switched off. How's that made? Is there another battery? Or is the RTC fed with the current from the 'main' battery?
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11:32:37ashesit would have to be
11:32:57ashesbut
11:33:00n1swebguest20: yes as he said in the wiki page it is connected to the power from the batery
11:33:54ashesit'd be interesting to know how long the battery will last just powering the rtc
11:34:09webguest20n1s: then it would shorten the battery life (if if not significantly). Hence I wouldn't wand that feature! But as as technical stuff it's great!
11:35:33Genre9mp3eer... this is how RTCs in other targets work, too AFAIK
11:35:43ashesits quite convinient for me. my watch recently died
11:36:10n1sGenre9mp3: yes, and the H300 has one built in and it's battery life is quite nice.
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11:36:58ashesi just got a h320 today. an upgrade from a 64mb rca lyra :-)
11:38:18ashesthe springs in the buttons are totally worn out. the vibration from walking makes the lyra skip tracks, and pause
11:38:33n1swebguest20: in the data sheet the quoted typical current used by the chip in standby mode is 80 _micro_ aperes.
11:40:13n1smeaning it would take approx. 10000 hours for it to drain a 800mAh battery (in standby)
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11:43:13n1sif anyone wants to take a look at the ata power off patch, here it is http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/ata_poweroff_always_enable.diff. It removes the disk poweroff option and always enables powering off the disk, also the settings block changed so save your settings. Tested and seems to be working on H320. I'll be back in a bit but will read any comments here.
11:43:18Slasheriyeah, RTCs do not shorten battery life
11:44:01ashesi tried to find gcc mtune values for m68k 5249 processors, and couldn't
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11:47:05webguest20Slasheri: then I wand it! :-)
11:47:13webguest20*want
11:47:37amiconnwebguest20: The rtc power requirements are neglectible. It's even less than typical self-discharge
11:48:36Slasherii am wondering whether we should include the kind of mods to the cvs. It could be some define that needs to be enabled for the code to work, or it could be hardware auto-detection
11:48:50Slasheriat least binary size shouldn't be a problem on the newer players
11:49:20amiconnSlasheri: There are some mods for archos which can be enabled with a #define
11:49:28Slasheriprobably a define would be a good enough
11:49:39Slasheriok, so then it sounds like a good idea to commit that
11:49:44amiconn(8MB mod, RTC alarm mod for recorder v1, backlight mod for Ondios)
11:49:59Slasherithat patch also separates i2c and eeprom drivers nicely
11:50:05amiconn8MB can be select with configure
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11:50:27amiconnRTC alarm is an extra define either to be set in the Makefile or in config-recorder.h
11:50:48amiconnOndio backlight is a #define in config-ondio*.h that needs to be uncommented
11:51:26amiconnI guess that since there is an rtc type #define, this method would also be best for the H1x0 rtc mod
11:52:04amiconnOh, and enabling disk poweroff for the Player works the same way (it's not strictly a hardware mod though)
11:54:46Slasherihehe, nice
11:56:04webguest20But the standard build should not contain unnecessary things i.e. those needed only for modded devices
11:56:27amiconnyes
11:57:03amiconnThose who have that mod would need to build rockbox themselves, uncommenting the appropriate #define in the platform config file
11:57:58*amiconn just noticed that the (commented out) #define for Player disk poweroff isn't in cvs
11:58:04*amiconn should commit that
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12:09:40ashesthe irivers screen is pretty bright
12:09:45ashesi can use it for a flashlight
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12:10:51ThePeachhi all
12:11:12ThePeachI've got a problem with a ipodmini1G
12:11:39ThePeachlike: cannot force reboot nor, once shut down, start up again
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12:12:58ThePeachit power on just if I plug into the power adapter or the usb cable to the pc
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12:13:37roolkuwebguest20: Hi, I see that you are interested in my mod
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12:14:59roolkuwebguest20: currently the driver is only built when RTC_CONFIG is set to the right chip
12:15:39fragglesI know this isn't a rockbox question, but I thought you guys would know. I need to pull all the songs (MP3, AAC) and videos (MP4) off my father's video iPod, keeping all the names intact. Is there any app I can use to do this?
12:15:42Slasheriroolku: hi :) probably i will be trying that mod soon too
12:15:46fragglesI tried ephpod but it wouldn't sync correctly
12:16:05roolkuSlasheri: cool :)
12:16:33roolkuSlasheri: I am planning to add the alarm as well - looking at http://www.uwe-freese.de/hardware-projekte/rockbox/rtc_alarm_en.html
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12:18:04roolkuSlasheri: but I need to confirm some things..
12:18:35ThePeachhello: I just installed rockbox, but once shut down, it cannot power on, what should I do?
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12:22:06ThePeachI can force poweron plugging the ipod to a power cable
12:22:35ThePeachand secondly once onto original firmware I cannot "force" reboot like holding MENU+SELECT as suggested in the guide
12:22:42ThePeachwhat's wrong?
12:25:58linuxstb_Sounds like a hardware problem, one that you wouldn't have noticed when using the Apple firmware. MENU+SELECT is a hard-wired reset in the ipod - it has nothing to do with Rockbox. Similarly, the power-on key is a hardware feature.
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12:26:35linuxstb_The Apple firmware doesn't normally fully power-off the ipod - which is why you may not have noticed before.
12:26:58ThePeachthat's bad
12:28:02ThePeachlinuxstb_, any suggestions?
12:28:11ThePeachtake it to the apple care?
12:29:12linuxstb_If you remove Rockbox, and MENU+SELECT still isn't working in the Apple firmware, then yes.
12:29:42ThePeachthank you a lot
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12:40:01ThePeachlinuxstb_, just removed rockbox and the problem seems to be hw :(
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13:03:22amiconnroolku: This method (setting CONFIG_RTC) is the preferred way for this mod. For cvs inclusion, the #define should be in config-h120.h and commented out
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13:12:25roolkuamiconn: it is in config-h120.h (but not commented out) in the patch
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13:29:01webguest20roolku: yes, I'm interested but will probably not touch the DAP since I'll likely brick it. I don't have much experience in such things.
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13:35:52LinusNi'll probably attempt the rtc hack
13:36:10Slasheriand i will make the bluetooth hack soon ;)
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13:36:17roolkuLinus: great :)
13:36:26roolkuLinusL
13:36:33LinusNroolku: but the INT pin must be connected to the poweron
13:36:41LinusNfor the alarm
13:36:50LinusNso it can turn on
13:37:06roolkuLinus: yes, but the buttons on the h120 are low active, aren't they?
13:37:15LinusNyes
13:37:35LinusNthe int signal as well, i believe
13:37:35roolkuLinus: so the alarm mod with the transistor for the archos needs to be inverted?
13:37:54LinusNyes, we need to do it a little differently
13:38:00roolkuteh chip can drive 3 mA only will this do?
13:38:19LinusNbut it sure can source a lot more, can't it?
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13:39:26roolkuLogic 0 Out is 3mA according to the datasheet
13:39:31LinusNshouldn't be a problem
13:39:43LinusNwe will still need a transistor
13:39:44Slasheritransistor will do it
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13:40:28Slasheria transistor can amplify the current by about 100x
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13:42:17roolkuit's been ages I fiddled with transistors - trying to come up with the wiring diagramm
13:46:03roolkuI still need pnp, right? C to GND, E to GPIO1, B to RTC (via 10k) and pull up (10k) for RTC ?
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16:08:40daurnany1 here?
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16:13:45daurnAH!
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16:41:16Genre9mp3LOL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyNbWMkjP0Y
16:43:23peturthis one isn't much better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRn5zv0ZwTM&NR
16:44:26Genre9mp3yes... I have seen the legendary iPod Flea :)
16:44:53Genre9mp3only Rockbox is missing from this fine piece of equipment haha
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16:51:49peturbeer time!
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16:54:55PaulPositionNot as funny as that classic from 7 years ago... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN1_1v7K25Q
16:55:36habanaelectro toys smashers make me sick ... if only i could afford what they destruct :(
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17:52:32PaulPositionAnyone familiar with disks? One of the folder on my DAP makes the whole disk freeze when accessed, under rockbox and even under windows/UMS mode... If it's a bad sector I know I can format and have them flagged but as soon as I'll use the original firmware restore tool on it, it will 'quickformat' the drive. Will it unflag the bad sectors too? Is my problem something else?
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18:26:52pixelmathe colouring script seems to not pick up tiny changes...
18:27:38oboThe CVS Builds page?
18:28:30pixelmano I mean the coloured diffs that you can watch for changes in a file
18:28:49pixelma(sorry that was a bit unclear)
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18:29:30oboare they just whitespace changes?
18:30:38pixelmayes but they are intended there
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18:31:08tucozcvs diff will not show whitespace changes, like tab to space etc
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18:31:39GnelikHi!
18:32:06pixelmatucoz: I just noticed :)
18:32:11tucoz:)
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18:42:59hcshm, this is interesting, when I reboot into rockbox from the apple firmware it seems to be stuck at a lower clockrate, I have to power off to get things to behave as expected
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18:59:55pixelma:/ I forgot to mention who made those updates
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19:00:29markunWho did? Genre9mp3?
19:00:48pixelmayes the Sansa versions too
19:02:53markunpixelma: the graphics for the audio format in the Gigabeat (and ipod video?) don't look very good. Did they get changed?
19:03:33pixelmaI they weren't part of the update
19:03:58pixelmas/I/
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19:04:55markunpixelma: do you have an opinion on the logo by 'alfred'?
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19:06:53pixelmamarkun: not really - and I got to go in a few minutes...
19:07:16tucozpixelma: do you have an opinion on the current logo? ;)
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19:08:15tucozAlthough it is not as slick as logos usually are, i am actually quite fond of the logo
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19:09:06markunI don't like the old logo that much, although I'm very proud of the shirt with the logo on it :)
19:09:30XavierGrlogo by alfred?
19:09:33tucozBut it would be interesting to see 'alfred's logo, and a new graphical profile for the site along with it
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19:10:33peturrepeating start/stop recording several times results in recording not starting anymore
19:10:40clownishheyhow, i buyed an iriver h10 yesterday, installed rockbox, and just want to say thank you. i was realy suprised i had never seen such a good firmeware replacement befor.
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19:13:14PaulPositionHmm, seems my H10 hd is going south, guess I'm better get back (argh) to original firmware before it gives 'clicks' the bucket, so maybe I could RMA it. Or anyone knows a good surfacescan util that works on usb-drive (ie, not a bootdisc) ?
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19:15:06clownishPaulPosition, under windows?
19:15:28PaulPositionclownish - Or debian..
19:16:53clownishPaulPosition, fsck and so on will work on usb devices under debian afaik
19:17:28clownishbtw... i god an used iriver h10... how can i know that something with the disk is wrong?
19:17:41clownishsorry for my english
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19:18:48tucozclownish, isn
19:18:51tucozisn
19:18:53tucozsorry
19:19:15PaulPositionclownish - I'll have a look, thanks. As for 'how to know' I wouldn't know if it didn't simply freeze on me, then freeze again when I tried to move the same file. And again.. - And then windows event viewer reported lots of errors, so... :p
19:19:37PaulPositionHaving bought refurbished however, I don't really see what hope I have of an RMA.
19:19:37tucozisn't it just to run a scandisk to look for errors?
19:20:12tucozor some other disk analyzing tool
19:20:55PaulPositiontucoz- windows scandisc, filesystem fix auto and surfacescan didn't correct it. So am looking at finding another, more extensive program. But those usually start from cdrom-bootable.
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19:21:33clownishPaulPosition, i use debian by my self... fsck should habe enough options... for me too much;)
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19:22:33tucozand then you can not check a usb device, right?
19:23:00Grimpyi have a stupid question, when u install rockbox on a ipod is it possible to put music on it via the mass storage function?
19:23:17tucozyes, that is the way you do it
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19:23:33Grimpygreat
19:24:18clownishtucoz, shure you can
19:24:18PaulPositiontucoz - right. Not with those on my 'ultimate boot cd' anyway (and that's most of the manufacturer's + like three others)
19:25:45PaulPositiontucoz - I'll boot knoppix and have a look with fsck anyway.
19:25:57tucozGrimpy, check out the manual to see what you can do with rockbox. http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
19:26:05tucozPaulPosition, good luck.
19:27:04Grimpytucoz: i have rockbox on my H300 but the H300 supports that natively
19:30:12clownishallright im out. good luck PaulPosition
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19:40:37tucozGrimpy, ah. cool. Then you know.
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19:41:19Grimpyyes bud didnt know how it would work with a ipod because normally u need te use itunes
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21:24:59habanadan_a:did you try S1giveio ?
21:25:28dan_ahabana: I didn't, but I'm fairly sure it will only work for S1MP3 players
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21:46:21netmasta10btdan_a: anyone get the 3515 ds yet?
21:47:13dan_anetmasta10bt: Bagder requested them, but AFAIK hasn't heard anything back yet. I've been searching high and low on the net and found nothing.
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21:53:40netmasta10btdan_a: yeah i've been looking −− and have requested as well −− do we know where its addressed at?
21:54:06netmasta10bti found a ds for another chip they make that has a lot of the same features
21:54:17dan_ai2c address 70
21:54:25dan_awhich DS did you find?
21:54:58netmasta10btthe 3603
21:55:11dan_alink?
21:55:51dan_aOh, it's on the page. I'll do some testing :D
21:56:12netmasta10btu found ? ok
21:58:17dan_aI guess I can try reading bit 0 of register 53, and see if anything happens when I plug the USB in
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22:01:26netmasta10btsounds lik a good plan
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22:04:37netmasta10btthe batt fuel guage reg looks interesting too
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23:04:42PaulPositionhi there.
23:05:40peturhi where
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23:06:09PaulPositionI here, I guess.
23:06:22peturprobably
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23:09:49PaulPositionargh. I wonder if I'm going to reinstall rockbox now that my h10's hd gone shakey. Any idea whether manufacturers like iRiver accept RMAs on a drive that gives plenty bad blocks or do I need to wait for (or get it to) crash? It frickin hung on my in UMS mode.
23:13:41grondanyone could tell me where in the rockbox source tree the definition of struct mp3entry is? can't find it...
23:14:12peturevery OS has a decent search build-in...
23:14:24grondhere this is grep and find
23:14:44grondbut there are many occurences
23:15:00petur*searching*
23:15:44petur\firmware\export\id3.h
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23:16:57peturPaulPosition: I'd certainly remove all traces of RockBox now you still can, and try to RMA it. Bad blocks = bad drive...
23:17:46grondpetur: thanks a lot!
23:18:18peturgrond: M$ Devstudio did it for you ;)
23:18:34gronddon't tell anybody... ;)
23:18:34PaulPositionpetur - What I thought... I'll see if iriver america accepts that refurbished unit (they should, their webpage states 90 days).. "thanks" for comfirming my thoughts.
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23:40:02peturn1s: agree with my take on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6397 ?
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