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#rockbox log for 2006-12-09

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00:03:50 Part grond ("Verlassend")
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00:19:48dakyany german here?
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00:32:17roolkuAlarm Mod is working as well now on my h120 :)
00:32:56daky:D
00:33:22dakyi hope the dev people add MAX-IVY :D
00:33:24 Nick DreamThief is now known as DreamThief|off (n=mathias@p54A84EB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
00:33:28dakymy new player =)
00:35:25dakyhttp://www.maxfield.de/index.php?id=16&tx_maxproductslist_pi1[pro_uid]=126&L=1&no_cache=1
00:35:26daky:D
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01:00:52PaulPositionDaky - You'd probably need to devlop it yourself |OR| to find a Maxfield owner who can devlop |OR| to give a current developer an Maxfield device so he can develop with it... Or be patient ;) The 'Other Ports' section of the forums at rockbox.org might be a good place to inquire on any of those suggestions.
01:01:55dakyokay PaulPosition thanks =)
01:01:56 Quit ender` (" But there, everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the fu)
01:02:15oboIt's a sigmatel based device (see the readme.txt in the latest firmware zip) - don't hold your breath...
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01:03:21[Gino]Does line-in recording work with the iAudio X5 w/ Rockbox firmware?
01:03:27dakyhttp://pastebin.us/9688
01:03:32daky@ obo =)
01:04:25 Nick hcs is now known as MetalGearHCS (n=agashlin@rockbox/contributor/hcs)
01:06:54dakyobo sorry i am a noob can you tell me what you mean ?
01:07:53oboas far as I know sigmatel don't release any publically available tech documents - so it would need to be reverse engineered...
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01:08:31dakyokay
01:08:47dakythink you i should try a post in the forum?
01:09:17oboyou'll be pointed straight to: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NewPort
01:09:31dakyyes of course
01:10:33obofrom a really quick look at the firmware files in that zip, they seem to be encrypted, so that would need to be worked out as well
01:11:48dakyrock have a german community too or?
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01:13:20donfedehello, is there a debian package (unstable) for m68k-elf-gcc ? we can't seem to find it (prc-tool-m68k does not seem to be the same thing)
01:13:23 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=ScorchE@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
01:13:49obodonfede: there isn't - easiest way is to build it yourself using the tools/rockboxdev.sh script
01:16:27linuxstb|Gino|: I'm almost certain it does. jhMikeS has done a lot of work on the recording code in Rockbox, and he has an X5.
01:18:00[Gino]Thanks linuxstb!
01:19:44[Gino]Yeah, I think you are right... I just looked at the manual and it says you ca choose from mic or line-in. Thanks again
01:19:50[Gino]can*
01:19:55*jhMikeS ear is rining
01:20:24jhMikeS[Gino]: Yes, it supports all of them
01:20:34[Gino]:)
01:21:00[Gino]And FM radio recording too right
01:21:00[Gino]?
01:21:03jhMikeSyes
01:21:08donfedeobo: thanks :) we just found that and are downloading now. we hope to hack the splitedit plugin to give basic cut, copy, paste editing capabilities (at least on iriverh340)
01:21:08[Gino]Thanks jhMikeS
01:21:31jhMikeS88.2 kHz is a bit glitchy though, the audio chip seems to be a bit touchy there
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01:22:06jhMikeSif it doesn't sound right, just leave the screen and come back till it does
01:22:30[Gino]K, thanks
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01:23:26linuxstbdonfede: Which formats are you planning to support in splitedit?
01:24:04roolkuSlasheri: are you around? Is there a way to get bootloader 7pre to boot from disk if the play button is constantly pressed? Even though I set it as default it always boots the R(AO)M image
01:24:23donfedehopefully all, but probably starting with wave (maybe next ogg and mp3) ... we'll see how much the split edit plugin can start us with
01:24:30roolkuSlasheri: I don't want to open the case again :)
01:28:43n1spetur, I haven't tested, but it looks fine to me, and if it works, then I'm happy ;-)
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01:31:05PaulPositionDamn that original firmware sucks on the H10. And I can't install rockbox 'cuse my HD seems like it's on the verge of giving it's last squeal. - Just when I was having fun testing Barry and Dan's latest patches. Oh well.
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01:38:39michaelconnerhi all
01:38:49michaelconneram having a weird problem with rockbox on a nano
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01:39:47michaelconneri try to delete a file or directory from the file menu −− i press the select button, and nothing happens. it just exits back to the file browser without deleting the file or directory in question.
01:40:08michaelconneram using daily build from 8 december
01:40:35obotry pressing play/pause instead?
01:41:26michaelconnerah... are key mappings different from the ipod video?
01:41:31michaelconner(it worked)
01:42:13obono - but not all the lang strings have been corrected for the ipods
01:42:38michaelconnerah, ok
01:43:06michaelconnercool, thanks. glad to know it's not the player's fault. :)
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01:57:06amiconnjhMikeS: Your comment on CRSEL might result from reading the manual, but it isn't correct. I already fixed that bug once way back...
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02:01:22amiconnFri Oct 14 04:52:24 2005 UTC to be precise...
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02:05:36kripsomidkay
02:05:38kripsofucking dick
02:05:43kripsogo away
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02:11:15PaulPositionwtf was that?
02:13:21dan_aI think it was a valuable technical contribution to Rockbox.
02:13:58dan_a</sarcasm> just in case anyone was wondering
02:14:38PaulPositionhehe... Well I'm sorry to say I won't be able to make even half such a contribution now that I have to stay rockbox-free.
02:15:03*dan_a points to the simulator
02:16:49PaulPositionTheeehee.. But the sim doesn't do much for testing bootloaders. But yeah, I guess I could start learning to design WPS while waiting for an answer to my RMA request. If they say no I reinstall RB anyway, my H10 gonna blow up in style. :p
02:17:25PaulPosition(since I don't design bootloaders anyway and only test for others, it's no big deal.. 'less you guys can't find any other tester ;) )
02:18:08dan_aDoes it look like a disk problem? If so, it's probably worth keeping an eye on eBay for other broken h10s if iriver won't RMA it
02:19:42PaulPositiondan_a: It does and yeah, I'll keep an eye on broken players and/or 1" CF drives. Or I'll convert to solid-state :o (Hmm, maybe I can put rockbox + 3 or 4 songs (!!) on that 64mb CF I have lying somewhere :p )
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02:21:56dan_aOoh, I like the work that has been done to get iCatcher and UniCatcher on the Sansa - I'm just playing with them in the sim. Thanks, Genre9mp3 and pixelma
02:22:32dan_aWhat size (physically) is the drive in the h10?
02:22:42PaulPosition1 inch.
02:22:48PaulPositionI'd rather it was an 1.8
02:24:23dan_a1" is an odd size for a drive. I'll keep my eyes open, though.
02:24:59amiconn1"?
02:25:26amiconnI thought CF-sized harddrives are microdrives, i.e. 0.85"
02:25:28PaulPositiondan_a: Yeah, they were made to fit inside an CF mem card cartridge.. See http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/marketing/Seagate_ST1.pdf for an example.
02:25:57PaulPositionYeah, I guess the drive itself is .85.. With the enclosure it's made to 1 inch. Or so they describe it everywhere anyway. :p
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02:35:38midkaywhat about me? :E
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02:37:18dan_aApparently, somebody called krispo feels you shouldn't be here. He reminded me of Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged.
02:38:02midkayhaha.
02:38:07PaulPositioninfinitely prolonged = (one big) fu... dick?
02:38:20midkaynever heard of this guy.. he must have chosen a random nick. i feel special!
02:43:16jhMikeSamiconn: rrgg...then you're saying the CPU is idling at 22Mhz now?
02:43:25amiconnnope
02:43:40jhMikeSThen what's going on? In the comment?
02:44:58amiconnI mean that your comment might result from reading the manual, but the code is now correct
02:45:06amiconnThis was my fix back then: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/system.c.diff?r1=1.64&r2=1.65
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02:48:10amiconnCRSEL is unrelated to the CPU clock, but it influences MCLK
02:48:13ekai have come to ask the most stupid question in the world!
02:48:19ekaanyone up to answer it?
02:48:33ekai guarentee complete stupidity
02:48:36PaulPositionshoot, we'll see if you score
02:48:39PaulPosition;)
02:48:51ekahow do i add music and photos to my ipod through rockbox?
02:49:02ekaand that's worded terribly
02:49:05jhMikeSSame thing but leaving CLSEL and AUDIO SEL setting as done with coldfire_pllcr_set_audio_bits
02:49:48ekai looked around, was unable to find an answer, perhaps i'm blind!
02:49:56PaulPositionHmm, it's clearly defined in the manual. Not using an iPod I can't tell for sure what the buttons are, but you'll need to hold a button while booting so that it loads in 'USB Mass Storage' mode, just like any usb pen drive.
02:49:57ekapaul - hopefully you have an answer?
02:50:01PaulPosition...then you copy/paste.
02:50:14ekainto where?
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02:50:43ekathere is a specific foler for photos
02:50:45ekamusic, no
02:51:11dan_aeka: Rockbox lets you put things where *you* think they should go :D
02:51:17PaulPositioneka - Into wherever you want. Create a folder 'music' or 'mymp3' or 'thisiswheremypiratestuffgoes', put your songs in there with the hierarchy you want.
02:51:21jhMikeSamiconn: It appeared to me that MCLK comes from CRSEL divider as I expected. Are you saying PSTCLK and SCLK are influence in bypass mode as well? If not I don't see my error.
02:51:29ekahaha you're kidding?
02:51:31ekathat's tight
02:51:33PaulPositionThe folder for photo was created by the iTunes software.
02:51:43ekablar i hate itunes
02:51:57PaulPositioneka - iTunes cram the songs it put on your pod all into one hidden folder, and with cryptic names.
02:52:17amiconnjhMikeS: YOu made no error. I referred to your comment stating that you wondered why this is necessary (at least that's how I read it)
02:52:28ekayeah i noticed that when i was on linux and i had it hooked up
02:52:32ekait's ridiculous :-|
02:52:32PaulPositioneka - When you're done loading up your iPod, have a look at the 'browsing and playing' section of the manual, specifically the 'database' to see how to initialize it and start browsing using id3 tags.
02:53:29jhMikeSI was wondered why? My ears told me why. ;)
02:53:32ekabut another question - should i put my "music" folder whatever - into just my ipod drive or the rockbox folder?
02:54:04PaulPositioneka - Anywhere would do, but straight in the root would be easier don't you think? ;)
02:54:13ekaindeed
02:55:17PaulPositioneka - And then you can either browse with tags (if you initialized database) or do like I and browse on a folder basis, depending if you have a good folder hierarchy. :)
02:55:21jhMikeSI asked Slasheri about it the day he committed the change and he insisted that it shouldn't be changed
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03:03:51ekawow
03:03:55ekarockbox is sexy ^_^'
03:06:45ekahow am i going to go about putting videos on my ipod though
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03:08:45ekaHOLY CRAPESSSSSSS
03:08:50ekaROCKBOX IS THE BESTTTTTTTTT
03:08:55ekaBUT I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW THATTTTTTTTTTT
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03:17:51 Nick myzar|away is now known as myzar (n=myzar@66.199.227.210)
03:18:39ekaare there any good games for Rockbox?
03:18:41ekai need some
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03:20:19 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC")
03:20:25dan_aThere's some if you look in "browse plugins". Doom is fairly well regarded, but you need to do a bit to set it up (this is in the wiki)
03:21:00SimonSelkispeaking of plugins, I've got a question about patches
03:21:06ekathanks Dan!
03:21:30SimonSelkierm.... How do I patch?
03:21:36dan_aeka: You're welcome
03:21:51SimonSelkiI read the file, and it wasn't too discript
03:22:23dan_aSimonSelki: You need to be able to compile Rockbox. You apply the patch to the source code, and then compile that.
03:22:43SimonSelkioh man....
03:22:52SimonSelkiI have to reload rockbox all together?
03:23:02dan_aYes, I'm afraid so.
03:23:07SimonSelkireinstall the compiled version?
03:23:16SimonSelkiokay okay....
03:23:26SimonSelki....damn
03:23:27SimonSelkiokay
03:23:39SimonSelkiI'm running an iPod Nano
03:24:10SimonSelkiand there's a patch to fix the battery guage
03:24:31SimonSelkihow do I know if the patch is in the newest Daily?
03:24:45SimonSelkior not... I mean, how will I know if it is or not
03:24:50[Gino]Does anyone know if there are size (dimension) limitations in the albumart patch? Like 75x75 or 100x100?
03:25:34dan_aSimonSelki: If it's in Flyspray, the task should have been closed if it's in CVS. Where can I find the patch?
03:25:43netmasta10bt<grond> petur: thanks a lot!
03:25:54netmasta10btops ;)
03:26:02SimonSelkihttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4998
03:26:12SimonSelkiright there
03:26:27SimonSelkialright, recompile rockbox
03:27:12dan_aThe comment on there says that it doesn't apply cleanly - that means that it is a bit of work to get it to compile.
03:28:26SimonSelkiokay, I guess I should have looked at the comments
03:28:28SimonSelkiI'm really new
03:28:38SimonSelkiI just got Rockbox installed and it's blowing my mind
03:28:49SimonSelkiso, I find the .rockbox file on my iPod while it's connected to USB, and recompile it there?
03:29:02SimonSelkior do I have to start from scratch all over again?
03:29:39PaulPositionSimonSelki - There are good chances that there's already a build somewhere that someone did and that does include the patch/patches you want...
03:30:07SimonSelkiThat's one thing I noticed about this site though.... I'm really sure there is
03:30:07dan_aSimonSelki: It's best to recompile Rockbox on your PC and then copy it over the old .rockbox on your Nano
03:30:19PaulPositionSimonSelki - Nope. You download the full source for rockbox, you set up a development environment through cygwin or vmware (or linux if you have it installed) and then you apply patch to source and compile the whole thing. Lotsa fun.
03:31:05SimonSelkiman
03:31:12SimonSelkiI'm really not programmer material
03:31:24SimonSelkinot so, I program flash I guess
03:31:25dan_aSimonSelki: Give me 20 minutes and I'll do it for you - though learning how to do it yourself is better ;)
03:31:41SimonSelkido that instead
03:31:42PaulPositionSimonSelki - OR, you download a precompiled build that suits most of your wants. Have a look at the 'unsupported builds' section of the forum, you might find a few interresting builds.
03:31:43SimonSelkilearn me
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03:33:10dan_aDo you use Windows, Linux, MacOS or something else?
03:33:17SimonSelkiWindows 98
03:33:55SimonSelkiyeah, you would not imagine the complications I have with my running system
03:34:11SimonSelkiI mean, you could I guess imagine it
03:35:44dan_aOK, that might give some problems, but we'll try to deal with them. You need to follow http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide#Setup_Your_Environment to be able to compile your own Rockbox.
03:35:49ekawould anyone mind being extremely awesome and sending me a load of plugins and games?
03:36:13eka(for ipod video 5th gen)
03:36:50netmasta10btdan_a: any luck with r53? ;)
03:37:28dan_anetmasta10bt: I went to the pub instead... it is a Friday night after all ;)
03:37:57netmasta10btHey I hear ja! ;) Gettin packed now for a week off myself
03:38:05Rondomdan_a: very gogod idea
03:38:17RondomI did nearlicy the same
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03:38:49*jhMikeS would like to fuse audio_record and audio_new_file into one function for a couple reason
03:40:55ekaATTENTION EVERYONE.
03:41:06ekai am experiencing a very terrible problem
03:41:13ekamy ipod is stuck in doom
03:41:14netmasta10btoh noes!
03:41:18eka-.-
03:41:22ekai can't shut it down, even
03:41:28ekaand when i plug it in to usb
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03:41:31eka.. nothing!
03:42:00dan_aeka: I think you use the hold switch to get a menu on the iPod
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03:42:18ekai love you
03:42:48*linuxstb_ points eka towards the Rockbox manual
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03:45:17*eka throws liquid nitrogen all over linuxstb_'s hand so he can no longer point
03:47:18Nackonanyone compared iRiver sound quality?
03:47:53Nackonto... anything :)
03:48:52dan_aNackon: Yes. See the first entry here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes
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03:49:04Nackonah, thank u
03:49:23SimonSelkiMan, I'm so sorry
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03:50:29Nackonfor what?
03:50:37SimonSelkiMy comp crashed
03:50:42SimonSelkiI was getting help from someone
03:50:50Nackonwasn't me for sure
03:51:01NackonI don't know shit
03:51:02Nackon:)
03:52:09Nackondan: that link didn't really have any comparisons
03:53:00dan_aNackon: It compared iRiver sound quality under Rockbox to a bag of something...
03:53:04NackonI tried one of the recent firmwares on iPod.. it sounded the same, slightly better because u could boost the bass more I think
03:53:08ekadaaaaaaaaaaaamnit
03:53:11Nackonhehe
03:53:12linuxstb_Nackon: http://www.google.com/search?q=rockbox+rmaa
03:53:22ekamandelbrot fractal zooms are f'ing my ipod up D:
03:53:28SimonSelkinow the phone
03:53:30SimonSelkiokay
03:53:32ekai think it's frozen
03:53:41SimonSelkiI believe it was Dan_a and PaulSomething
03:53:45SimonSelkiSorry
03:53:48SimonSelkiMy comp crashed
03:53:57*linuxstb_ uses his surviving hand to point eka towards the Rockbox manual
03:53:58SimonSelkiMy biggest question of all regarded tags
03:54:10ekaNO - i got both of your hands
03:54:13ekathe text lies
03:54:27NackonI think iPods and (I mean the 30 and 60gb that I tried) have lesser ability to reproduce base when compared with iRiver (IHP that I've tried)
03:54:40*ze psychically controls a robotic arm to point to the rockbox manual and locks it into pointing-position
03:54:43SimonSelkiOkay, so no matter how I try and load the songs onto the iPod, they don't have the right tags
03:54:57SimonSelkiI tried using programs, and drag-and-dropping the mp3s
03:55:23zeSimonSelki: maybe your mp3s just don't have the right tags?
03:55:28dan_aThey will have whatever tags you put on the MP3s. What are you seeing on the iPod, and what do you think you should be seeing?
03:55:30SimonSelkiwhen I drag and drop, the song names are wrong, but the albums....
03:55:50SimonSelkiwill the iPod Nano rockbox read tags correctly if I get a tag editor?
03:56:00SimonSelkiAlbum, Artist, Name and all?
03:56:08zei would imagine
03:56:08ze:p
03:56:10ekahooray for rockbox manual x.x
03:56:11SimonSelkiI tried setting the tag in the programs before I uploaded them
03:56:18SimonSelkiI read it buddy
03:56:35Nackonlinuxstb: wow, there're ppl analyzing it with scientific software (RMAA)! :)
03:56:44dan_aSimonSelki: What did you set the tag to? What does it say in Rockbox?
03:56:44linuxstb_Nackon: Yep :)
03:56:46SimonSelkihmm
03:57:17linuxstb_SimonSelki: Maybe you have both id3v1 and id3v2 tags in your files - you can change the priority in Rockbox.
03:57:28SimonSelkiWhen I uploaded them, the album titles and artists were right, but the naes in the actual browser were way off
03:57:42SimonSelkiin the wps they were normal though
03:57:52SimonSelkiI tried that too
03:57:54SimonSelkiwait
03:57:56SimonSelkilemme try again
03:58:05SimonSelkiwhere was that now?
03:58:09linuxstb_Are you using the file browser or the database browser?
03:58:10dan_aSimonSelki: I'm guessing that in the browser you're seeing the file name, not the tag.
03:58:19SimonSelkiboth, I tried all
03:58:24SimonSelkiexactly
03:58:26Nackon"Iriver decreases the bass setting as you increase volume"
03:58:34NackonI thought that was all "in my head"!
03:58:35Nackonhah
03:58:46linuxstb_Nackon: Yes, it does that to prevent clipping IIRC.
03:58:55SimonSelkiWhen I load with a program they encrypt the actual file names or something, so they come up all wierd
03:59:05NackonI had to maintain this specific tonal quality, usually slightly lower volume than what I'd like!
03:59:15Nackonbut then it sounded awesome
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03:59:48NackonI thought this was due to my ears, because, I thought, my ears can't take more base when volume is higher
03:59:53Nackonheh, that's f'd up
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04:00:20SimonSelkiIs there a way that when I'm viewing the file, it shows their tags instead of the filename?
04:00:33Nackontoo bad I've got no iRiver atm, sold it some time ago..
04:00:43dan_aSimonSelki: Yes, that's the Database browser.
04:00:46Nackongot a new one on the way though
04:01:09SimonSelkiSo do I just update the database when I drag and drop?
04:01:56dan_aYou need to initialise the database once and reboot Rockbox, and then (IIRC) it updates automatically.
04:02:16SimonSelkiokay
04:02:21SimonSelkilet me do that now and see
04:02:23Nackonhas anyone compared sound of iHP300 series with H100 series?
04:02:38XavierGrexaclty the same I guess
04:02:43XavierGrthey have the same chip
04:03:06XavierGrand there is no iHP300 series
04:03:09XavierGronly H300
04:03:15Nackonah really? I was so worried cuz I got the iHP300 now, but the one I had b4 (and really liked) was H140
04:03:20XavierGrit was iHP100 and then changed it to H100
04:03:26XavierGrH300 wasn never iHP
04:04:22SimonSelkiokay, I just did what you said
04:04:32SimonSelkiI guess my tags are just messed up
04:04:46SimonSelkiIt's showing alot of wierd crap where the albums were
04:04:53dan_aSimonSelki: If you give us an example of (1) What the tag is on your computer, and (2) What the tag is on Rockbox, then we might be able to work out if you've found a bug or if you are doing something wrong.
04:05:20Nackonwell, H320 Vs. iHP-140 then :)
04:05:28Nackonthose are the specific model names
04:05:45NackonH320 is the one I'm getting
04:05:56SimonSelkiI think I might be getting my definition of tags confused, but I really appreciate your alacrity to help
04:06:30SimonSelkiwhat is the difference between the two types of tags?
04:06:38NackonXavierGr: so these two have same chip?
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04:07:01SimonSelkiid3v1 and id3v2
04:07:14Nackonbecause after I ordered it, I've discovered that there's no optical output on H320
04:07:17SimonSelkiand where is the menue item that allows me to choos priority?
04:07:39Nackonso I thought it must have a different audio chip
04:07:46SimonSelkifound it, nm
04:08:41SimonSelkiI'm going to look for a proggie on snapfiles that will mass edit tags
04:09:04NackonI don't need optical out, never used it on my old ihp-140, but I do wonder if they had a separate chip to process optical data...
04:09:34Nackonin other words if H320 is the same, but without that extra chip
04:21:10Genre9mp3Nackon: H100 and H300 have exactly the same ADC/DAC chip
04:22:42Nackonah, so the sound they produce must be the same right? (sorry I'm not sure what ADC/DAC chips do)
04:23:10Genre9mp3yes
04:23:39Nackoncool, thanks... I was gonna buy the iHP to do side-by-side testing :)
04:23:58Nackonand those things are a pain to find now it turns out
04:24:07Genre9mp3DAC: Digital to Analog (playback) ADC: Analog to Digital (recording)
04:24:33Nackonoh I see
04:25:29Nackongonna put a 80gig HD into my H320 :)
04:25:57Genre9mp3there will be also an 100GB one out in January ;)
04:26:29Nackon100GB.. WOW! can u say losLESS :)
04:26:52Genre9mp3heh
04:27:10Genre9mp3can u say tons of mp3? :P
04:27:13Nackonalthough I must say, even on 80gig I could have most of the music (the ones that matter in quality anyway) uncompressed
04:28:26Nackonwish they had those in 5mm though, so I wouldn't have to chop it up
04:28:58NackonI bought the H320 instead of H340 because I wanted the thinnest possible
04:30:16Nackonalthough it's probably fat enough where it doesn't matter a few extra mm's
04:31:16Genre9mp3well, I'm not sure if the 80GB one will fit in the H320
04:32:14Nackonit won't, not as it is
04:32:28NackonI've read somewhere u have to remove the "padding"
04:32:42Nackonnot sure if it's a smart thing to do though
04:33:16Nackonbut then I don't exactly intend to throw it around
04:33:20Genre9mp3yes... I wouldn't feel very comfortable to remove this, too
04:33:54Nackondo they have 60gb in single platter?
04:33:59Genre9mp3no
04:34:13Genre9mp3up to 40GB atm in single platter
04:34:17Nackonyeah, 60 is the minimum for me
04:34:37Nackonso I'd just get 80 gig instead, if I'm gonna rip it apart anyway
04:34:42Genre9mp3but maybe there will be a 50GB single platter soon (when 100GB is out)
04:34:56Nackonhmm
04:35:19Genre9mp3but only 100GB is announced
04:35:40Nackonwhen it's out, it's sure to drop the price on the smaller ones... at least every one in this chan will probably sell theirs on eBay :)
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04:36:59Genre9mp3goodnight all
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04:37:30Nackoncya
04:37:37Nackonoh woops :)
04:38:04Nackondamn its freezin today
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04:50:33Nackonanyone tried HeadBanger EarSubs?
04:50:46Nackon"you'll ALWAYS get the best sound possible with the Universal Ear Sub solution!"
04:50:54Nackonfor $20
04:52:06Nackonmaybe they should refrase it as ..best sound possible *with these earbuds*
04:57:55Nackonpile of crap I bet
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08:42:59illogic-alhey guys.
08:43:17illogic-alquick question: does rockbox work with the new generation of ipods?
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08:43:33scorchenot officially
08:43:44illogic-alunofficially?
08:43:46scorcheand un-officially, only the 30 gig versions
08:44:02illogic-alsweet
08:44:11illogic-althat's what I was going to get :-)
08:44:44scorchei would suggest that you read the thread about it in the new ports section of our forums
08:45:38illogic-alyou have forums ? o_0
08:45:56scorcheforums.rockbox.org
08:46:18illogic-aloh cool!
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09:02:09Rooyhi, i have some m4a files that play and pause in rockbox
09:02:36Rooyusing rockbox 20061208 on ipod nano
09:03:50Rooyfoobar2k says the file is AAC SBR ~64KBps
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09:04:13Rooybut my wps (cleardark) show the file as 128kbps shorten
09:05:35Rooyanyone hears me?
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09:06:16BobJonkmanRooy: I hear you, but don't know the answer.
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09:46:00t0dk0nthe Database/tagchache is all messed up on my ipod
09:46:19t0dk0nwhen I goto an artist > album/all tracks
09:46:25t0dk0nthere's two or three repeated tracks
09:46:28t0dk0nis that just a bug?
09:46:50t0dk0nor should I delete something from the ipod root dir?
09:46:57t0dk0nor .rockbox?
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10:11:26markunt0dk0n: you could try to delete the tagcache files in .rockbox and rebuild the DB
10:13:08Slasherit0dk0n: you might also have real copies of those tracks on your hd
10:13:48Slasherit0dk0n: you should create a playlist file containing those duplicate tracks and check with computer if the tracks point to the same file
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10:37:24t0dk0nHmmm, I think Markuns idea would work
10:37:53t0dk0nslasheri: but I don't see how the hdd copies (which I barely have anyway) would have anything to do with it
10:37:53markunand if it doesn't try Slasheri's suggestion
10:38:01t0dk0nhehe alright
10:38:10markunt0dk0n: so you do have HDD copies?
10:38:24t0dk0nnope, not really, just some
10:38:35t0dk0nwait, of the songs? or tagcache?
10:38:41markunof songs
10:38:45t0dk0nyeah, just some
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10:38:54t0dk0nin totally different remote locations
10:38:56markunwell, they will show up 2 times then
10:38:56Slasherit0dk0n: you might have more you could think
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10:39:06Slasheriyou should try that playlist thing also
10:39:15t0dk0nhehe alright
10:39:16Slasherithose songs could be deleted songs and so on
10:39:16t0dk0nI will
10:39:29t0dk0nthank you, both of you ^_^
10:41:26amiconnSlasheri: It's not necessary to check with a computer. The playlist viewer can be switched to full path view iirc
10:43:14markunor use the textviewer
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10:45:58Slasheriah, true
10:47:53t0dk0nahhh hmm, I have database_0.tcd to database_5.tcd and tagcache_1.tcd to tagcache_5.tcd including _idx.tcd for both
10:48:06t0dk0nMaybe I should delete the tagchache only?
10:48:39Slasheriyou can delete those tagcache* files, as tagcache got renamed to database
10:48:47t0dk0nhehe yeah
10:49:00t0dk0nbut I'm thinking, perhaps thats the reason it was shown double?
10:49:08Slasherino, it's not
10:49:12t0dk0nah, alright
10:49:18t0dk0nso just delete all the tcd?
10:49:19Slasheritagcache* are not used at all
10:49:28t0dk0noooo
10:49:37Slasheriwell, you can try that and then re-initialize. Or just try the playlist thing first
10:49:39markununless he didn't upgrade
10:50:09t0dk0nnaw, I've upgraded to the latest CVS around 3pm PST yesterday I guess
10:52:56t0dk0nalright ima goto sleep
10:53:16t0dk0nthanks for all the help slasheri and markun
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10:59:20linuxstb_Slasheri: Have you looked at starting the Apple OS on your 5.5g, or done any work to ipod_fw.c? The ipod_fw.c in CVS still doesn't support the 5.5g...
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11:01:09Slasherilinuxstb_: i have started on adding an option for the 5.5g, but that does not allow loading the apple os yet.. not sure how it should be done
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11:02:34linuxstb_I'm thinking it should be possible to auto-detect the firmware type - so we can just keep a single 5g option.
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11:05:10amiconnHmm, there seems to be a small bug in the FAT driver regarding file dates when the RTC is not set
11:05:37amiconnI have some files which are listed as having no date & time at all when shown in windows explorer
11:06:24amiconn..and on the H300 a couple of files show as being from 2092, which I think has to do with the date offset we need to apply in order to make the of happy
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11:12:50peturamiconn: I fear I just broke rombox on the recorder?
11:15:42amiconnIt already was broken, but due to a linker bug this doesn't show up when it's only a bit over the limit
11:16:07amiconnBut you pushed code size, otherwise it wouldn't be red now
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11:16:23linuxstb_Slasheri: Can you send me a patch for ipod_fw.c? (preferably against current CVS - I just synced ipod_fw.c with the IPL CVS).
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11:16:56peturamiconn: I even changed the patch from using a define to a function to avoid wasted bytes :/
11:17:38peturdoes gcc try to optimize by inlining functions?
11:17:48amiconn+160 byte on recorder
11:18:14amiconngcc does optimize by inlining, but for archos we do use -Os
11:19:24peturgot no time now, I'll look into reducing code size a bit later today
11:19:41amiconn...so gcc will only inline functions which are (1) only used once, (2) so tiny that the call overhead would be larger than the inlined code or (3) have the always_inline attribute
11:19:51amiconnset
11:20:17peturhmmm my function _is_ small
11:20:22Slasherilinuxstb: just a moment, i will try to finish my patch :) or then you can search flyspray for the closed 5.5G patch and apply only the ipod_fw.c part of it
11:20:58Slasherilinuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6169 that one
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11:23:58linuxstbSlasheri: Ah, so that includes the ipod_fw.c patch. Maybe I shouldn't have closed it....
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11:30:06JdGordonrombox is too big on another 2 targets? :'(
11:30:25amiconnIt was before...
11:30:40JdGordonbefore?
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11:30:44amiconnye
11:30:45JdGordon4 builds are too big now
11:30:45amiconns
11:30:52BagderI'm still in favour of doing rombox ifdefs to remove stuff for them
11:31:13amiconnI'm not
11:31:19scorchewell, there is one existing already
11:32:09amiconnI really like having rombox, but imho it's better to not have it than to cripple it
11:32:29scorchei havent tested recently, but i think it is still under the barrier and will be for a while
11:32:52scorcheamiconn: of course it is, but until then, we have the ifdef
11:33:02scorchealso, it depends on your definition of cripple
11:33:17amiconnCripple == not having all standard rockbox features
11:33:39amiconnBut there are other options to decrease size
11:34:02amiconnLang cleanup utilising langv2 is one
11:34:08amiconnIt's a lot of work
11:34:10amiconnthough
11:34:15JdGordonand the settings rework will help a bit
11:34:21Bagderand it'll only be a matter of time when we hit the roof again
11:34:27JdGordonbut this convo happens every few weeks anyway
11:34:42Bagderyes, we need a fix that can last
11:34:55Bagderand I don't see how any optimize trick is that fix
11:35:22scorchei think the only permanent fix is to upgrade the ROM chip
11:36:02JdGordonor dump rombox completly
11:36:19*JdGordon is not suggestin ha of course
11:36:19dwihnoMore efficient (=slower decomp.) compression of the image?
11:36:28scorchenot an option...branch it if you were to go that far ;)
11:36:30JdGordondoesnt that defeat he purpose of rombox tho?
11:36:54dwihnotrue
11:37:08amiconndwihno: Rombox isn't compressed
11:37:14JdGordonanyone know the boot speed difference?
11:37:26dwihnoamiconn: ah, sorry..
11:37:46dwihnoamiconn: thought of the ucl thing... didn't know it didn't apply to rombox as well
11:37:47scorcheJdGordon: for rombox, it isnt mostly about the boot speed
11:38:03JdGordonoh? I thought it was
11:38:18amiconndwihno: Rombox uses the same extension, but it's uncompressed, otherwise it wouldn't work
11:38:31amiconnHow would you tell the cpu to execute compressed code? ;)
11:38:49dwihnoUsing the secret instruction set, of course :)
11:39:14amiconnJdGordon: Boot speed is a tiny bit higher (about half a second) because no decompression is necessary
11:39:18scorcheJdGordon: it is partly that, but it is also about having more RAM available
11:39:29amiconnBut the main advantage of rombox is to have more free ram
11:39:35JdGordonah, ok, forgot abou the lack of RAM
11:40:35dwihnothe size of rombox hasn't changed too much through the years, right?
11:40:58pixelmaBagder: even taking out some functions won't be a lasting fix - you will "hit the roof again" unless you'd leave it this way forever... and that would be :/
11:41:13amiconnBagder: As you are a perl expert obviously: Could you make buildzip.pl exclude the eq presets for non-swcodec?
11:41:42scorchedwihno: quite the opposite actually...that is why we are having this discussion...because Rombox is too big at present
11:42:12amiconn(and even better, make it exclude the empty backdrop folder for monochrome targets as well)
11:42:33dwihnoscorche: hm, I thought the size of rombox has been consequently stable... Well, in that case, I see two alternatives. Disable some space consuming features or drop it.
11:42:49amiconnHmm, seems it is excluded now?
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11:42:53*amiconn needs to check
11:43:38JdGordonWhat about a online system which allows the user to choose what to ommit in the code, and which target to compile and it will build rombox from cvs using the choices? then dumop the rombox checking from the cvs table?
11:43:56JdGordonso, those that want rombox can customize it how they want, and its a more "lasting" option
11:44:06scorchedwihno: well, a while back, i put in an ifdef for tagcache...that was a pretty big chunk of something that i and others do not use on those targets that (afaik) still holds and will hold for a while
11:44:32dwihnoah, tagcache. never used it, probably never will :)
11:44:41*JdGordon just started using it
11:44:43scorchedwihno: same
11:45:17scorcheJdGordon: how yould you set aside the oiption of what to include?...a whole lot of different ifdefs?
11:45:33*amiconn does use tagcache occasionally
11:45:37pixelmatagcache? What are you guys talking about? ;)
11:45:39JdGordonwell, the biggets parts are dircache and tagcahce, and both can already be ifdeffed out
11:45:40dwihnoscorche: So rombox does include tagcache?
11:45:45amiconnMostly for checking for dupes and wrong tags
11:46:05amiconnJdGordon: Dircache isn't built for archos anyway
11:46:11JdGordonoh, ok
11:46:12amiconn(wouldn't make sense at all)
11:46:33scorchedwihno: well, it is too big for the target...but if you comment out the define, it is able to be built
11:46:55dwihnoscorche: how much space does that temporary fix buy?
11:46:57JdGordonmove the wps code to a tsr-able plugin
11:47:04JdGordonthat will help a fair bit
11:47:15scorcheJdGordon: that is why the dircache code is ifdefed for >8MB of RAM
11:47:16JdGordonand allow for different wps systems
11:47:38scorchedwihno: i forgot the exact amount...i will have to check when i get the time in a few days
11:48:21dwihnoscorche: It's not that important to me, but if it buys 1k, 5k or 20k would be nice to know.
11:48:55scorcheit was a large amount
11:49:25dwihnoah, okay.
11:50:27scorchei really should go to sleep though...i have a 10 hour drive ahead of me tomorrow...
11:50:28JdGordonis anyone dead set against rock-ifiing the wps code?
11:50:35dwihnorombox is about having the maximum amount of memory available... dircache is a feature I'd be willing to drop to run rombox
11:50:47JdGordonscorche: ha, drive safely... 10hr drive is a bithc :D
11:50:53amiconnJdGordon: Playback is core functionality and shouldn't be moved to a plugin imho
11:51:06scorchedwihno: as we said before, dircache isnt built for those devices anyway
11:51:26dwihnoscorche: sorry, I ment tagcache
11:52:10scorcheJdGordon: i do it every couple of months so i am used to it...i have all of the HHG2G radio shows to last me through the ride though ;)
11:53:17scorchedwihno: i feel the same way...which is why i added that ifdef ;)
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11:53:38dwihno:)
11:53:38JdGordonamiconn: (I think we've done this before :D ), the wps code is horrible right? well what if we put a really simple display in the core, and use it if the wps-rock cant be loaded (something else is in the plugin ram) or not wanted. It would allow for much more cde in rombox, and diferent wps systems (xml? simpler? test code, etc)
11:54:10dwihnoaaah
11:54:13dwihnome likey!
11:54:48JdGordon... and bcause of the recent tsr plugin change, it would only have 1 hard disk read unless another rock is loaded
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11:55:06pixelmaJdGordon: no... I would never want that
11:55:10JdGordonplaylist viewer would need t be changed tho
11:55:51pixelmaeverything related to playback has highest priority
11:56:20*JdGordon is just suggesting stuff to make rombox workable again
11:56:34JdGordonand moving it to a rock wouldnt make it any less a priority (imo)
11:56:40*dwihno votes for disabling tagcache on rombox targets
11:57:21dwihnothe only bad thing would be having to reload the tsr plugin when exiting plugins
11:58:18dwihnoand loading the plugin at bootup wound wield no notable performance hit due to the disk already spinning
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11:59:21pixelmaand if the wps code is a mess - maybe there's a way for a coder to make it significantly better - I remember a simple patch of lowlight (iirc) that helped dropping a noticable amount of bytes (ask amiconn for the number)
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12:00:02*JdGordon tihnks the tree is a good candidate for reworking
12:00:21dwihnohas the settings code been revamped?
12:00:30JdGordon... but its horible and I get nightmares when I try to figure it out :p
12:00:36dwihnoI think it used to be a candidate for cleanup as well
12:00:43JdGordondwihno: it has, but the patch isnt quite ready yet
12:02:14*amiconn really likes having rombox, but with all the planned additions it might break beyond repair :/
12:02:15JdGordonSlasheri: are you arounud?
12:02:37dwihnopixelma: almost no matter what I prefer keeping code as plugins... and having a very basic WPS and one (or more) loadable different loadable wps engines sounds like a good idea to me
12:03:00amiconnAt least on all MASF targets, as they are the ones which will see the new features
12:03:12dwihnoMASF?
12:03:17JdGordonwhich new features?
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12:03:29amiconnPCM playback and recording
12:03:34dwihnoAin't rockbox complete already? :)
12:03:36amiconn(WAV, AIFF)
12:03:42JdGordonah cool
12:03:50JdGordondwihno: RTM next week
12:04:06dwihnok
12:04:11amiconnRecording only for MAS3587F, not for MAS3539, obviously
12:04:59dwihnoAwesome feature!
12:05:35JdGordonWhat if just the wps parsign code was moved to a plugin?
12:05:39amiconnThe only MASD target can't have those features added, and ironically is the one where rombox has most room to grow :/
12:05:41JdGordonwould that help at all?
12:05:53amiconn(that is the Player)
12:06:48*n1s nags devs to take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6421
12:10:39dwihnoJdGordon: I think turning the wps into a tsr plugins sounds like a good idea anyhow, so I'm on your side :)
12:11:01JdGordonyippe :) wanna do the work to make it happen ? :D
12:12:14dwihnoHm. It sure has been a while since I last made myself useful on the project. I can't promise any results, but I will take a look on tuesday.
12:12:45JdGordonits goign to be painful because every function call is going to need a rb-> before it
12:12:50JdGordon+ other stuff
12:12:57dwihnoyeah
12:13:12dwihnoand the wps has gotten all bitmappy since I last checked that code (it's been a while)
12:14:32amiconnThe wps plugin idea is bad
12:15:28amiconnIt would rule out running tsr plugins while playing music, questioning the purpose of tsr plugins
12:15:59dwihnoah, didn't think of that
12:16:02linuxstbSo bye-bye to battery benchmarks...
12:16:57amiconn...and alpine_cdc
12:17:13pixelmaJdGordon: also.. you have better things to do, don't you? :P
12:17:16*bluebrother dislikes the idea of having wps stuff outside of the core
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12:17:56bluebrotherbut how about simplifying the wps core and allow it to get extended by special wps plugins?
12:18:08amiconnThe wps code is a good candidate for cleanup. Iirc there was someone who wanted to rewrite the parser...
12:18:30JdGordonpixelma: sure do.... but its sat night and about 35C in here, so.. meh :p
12:19:10*dwihno suggests a binary wps format and a plugin to parse the .wps files
12:19:33*dwihno watches the tomatoes ;)
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12:20:09JdGordonthere are a few wps code aptches on FS
12:20:57*bluebrother remembers simplifying the utf8 thingy ... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6203
12:21:53*JdGordon thinks the playlist code is also fairly heavy
12:22:26aliaskHows that menu stuff coming along Jd?
12:22:54JdGordonmostly done... the settings need doule checking aparently
12:23:22aliaskWow great. So you got that CPU issue all sorted out?
12:23:49amiconnThe playlist code is *very* complex. I wouldn't dare to touch it in fear of breaking it
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12:24:05amiconnBut I think the bookmark code is another candidate for cleanup
12:24:14JdGordonaliask: yeah, that was an idiotic bug, the callbcks fro the menu were wrong
12:24:31JdGordonamiconn: I want to dump the bookmark code and just use the .playlist_control file for bookmarks
12:24:40aliaskCool, I'd offer to help but at the moment I'm without a rockbox target, and it's killing me
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12:24:52JdGordonhaha
12:25:01JdGordonhows the gigabeat going?
12:25:02amiconnJdGordon: It won't work that simple
12:25:19JdGordonwith a bit of adjusting of course.. but why not?
12:25:23amiconn.playlist_control doesn't include the resume information
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12:25:31JdGordonyeah, it needs t be added
12:25:36JdGordonwhich should be easy
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12:25:43aliaskGigabeat is being troublesome, but I did a bit of work on it today at a friend's house. Still need to get direct access to the HDD
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12:26:38JdGordonpixelma: I had a look at the "lcd inverse" setting in the code and im baffled as to why its not working
12:26:38pixelmaah... where's the resume information stored then?
12:26:47JdGordonin the config block
12:27:01JdGordonthere are 2 settings with resume info
12:27:03pixelmathat's why it isn
12:27:15pixelma't working in the menu rework?
12:27:29JdGordonmayube
12:27:31linuxstbdan_a: Are you around?
12:27:44dan_alinuxstb: yes
12:27:54JdGordonbut they could be appended easily for the bookmark file
12:28:04safetydanhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4826 was the WPS reworking patch
12:28:09safetydannot that I got all that far with it
12:28:31linuxstbdan_a: Could I trouble you for a copy of your 3g's bootpartition.bin (the original unmodified version) ? I'm working on ipod_fw.c and don't want to break it for the 3gs.
12:29:45dan_alinuxstb: No problem - it's heading your way now
12:30:51dan_aErm... it's 40M, so I'll email you a link to it!
12:31:12JdGordonpixelma: oh, you mentioned it not saving the settings/resume info properly, I tihnk that was a problem with the cvs code which I fixed late last week, so it should work fine now, (hopeflly)
12:31:18linuxstbOK, thanks. You should be able to zip (or bzip2/7zip) it and reduce the size a lot.
12:32:19pixelmaJdGordon: I tested it patched vs. unpatched of the same source - unpatched was working ok - only the patched version not
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12:32:34JdGordonok, maybe not then... but hopefully it is :D
12:32:49JdGordonim updating now, so i will do some work before i head out tonight
12:33:20markunaliask: if only there was a firmware update..
12:33:29pixelmaJdGordon: ok... I'll be testing after your update
12:33:40aliaskmarkun: Exactly...
12:33:53JdGordonwho is the naughty bugger who editted settins.c in the last while!! ?
12:34:08aliaskI'm beginning to work on understanding the bin file format
12:34:50JdGordondoh! i was the last one to commit to settings.c :p
12:34:54linuxstbaliask: Are you working on the Gigabeat S?
12:35:23aliasklinuxstb: Yeah, but I'm not making much progress personally.
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12:35:40aliaskMTP is getting in the way a bit - and theres a possibility that the firmware is digitally signed.
12:37:45JdGordonpixelma: the setting name in the menu is "LCD Mode" ?
12:37:50JdGordon(the one being naughty)
12:38:38pixelmayes
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12:41:18linuxstbaliask: Do you just have one version of the firmware to look at?
12:41:42aliasklinuxstb: Yep. I also have a copy of the zune firmware which should be very similar
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12:47:30mueslir u guys preparing for zune port?
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13:05:08pixelmaJdGordon: hope you don't have any settings nightmares - I'll test over the weekend :)
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13:22:06roolkuSlasheri: are you here?
13:22:20Slasheriroolku: hi :)
13:22:23Slasherinow i am
13:22:27roolkuHi :)
13:22:49roolkuI had a little problem with the 7 pre2 bootloader last night
13:23:01roolkuit doesn't seem to like to boot from disk by default
13:23:12Slasheriyep, i saw that. did you try booting up with the hold button activated?
13:23:24Slasheriyou can try booting with usb cable connected also
13:23:53roolkuyes, but the trouble was the RTC chip was holding the play button down. :)
13:24:12roolkuI didn't know about the usb boot - how does that work?
13:24:14Slasherioh, hmm :)
13:24:29Slasheriwell, you could reset while hold is switched on. Or reset with usb cable plugged in
13:24:38Slasheriafter disconnecting usb cable, rockbox loads from disk
13:25:01roolkuah, that USB trick is useful to know
13:25:06Slasheri:)
13:25:13Slasherilets hope that helps
13:25:35roolkuI double-tapped and got into the ROM image. then I put hold on the main unit and roloed with the remote
13:25:52roolkudouble-tapped reset
13:25:59Slasheriah, you should reset or shutdown. Not rolo
13:26:15Slasherirolo does not invoke the bootloader at all
13:26:34roolkuthat was the only way I could boot the disk image - but once was enough to reset the RTC
13:26:52Slasherihmm, weird
13:27:23roolkuwith the bootloader I either got a menu at was stuck there or with a little luck and resetting it would boot into either RAM or ROM (not sure which)
13:27:36roolku*and was stuck*
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13:28:22Slasheriah, so the menu was stuck because rtc was constantly pressing the play button?
13:28:23roolkuAnyway - amiconn broke your rombox patch now :(
13:28:43Slasherihmm, i will fix it soon and start committing some portions of it
13:28:56roolkuyes, that was the problem with the menu - but i don't know why I got the menu when i told it to boot from disk by default
13:29:26Slasheriah, you get always the menu if previous shutdown was not clean (rockbox crashed)
13:30:11Slasherihmm, maybe usb mode button driver should ignore the on key..
13:30:20Slasheriusb=bootloader
13:31:05roolku:)
13:31:47roolkuAnyway it is all working now - thanks for rombox, I like it a lot.
13:32:03Slasherihehe, nice :)
13:32:13linuxstbSlasheri: Just to let you know that I'm making progress with ipod_fw.c (auto-detecting 5.5g images). I'm about to go out for a few hours, but hopefully I'll have something for you to test this evening if you're around.
13:33:37Slasherilinuxstb: ok, that sounds great - much better than my approach just to add a command line switch
13:34:13linuxstbIt's not obvious to a user if they have 2048-byte sectors or not, so hopefully we can fix it so they don't need to know.
13:34:48linuxstbIs Rockbox running well on your 5.5g now?
13:35:04linuxstbi.e. can we call 5.5g support as good as 5g support? (on the 30GB)
13:35:56Slasheriwell, comparing to h140 i wouldn't say well at all.. but for ipods, it might be well
13:36:21linuxstbWhat kinds of problems? Do any seem filesystem related?
13:36:25Slasheriit has some freezing and white noise with crossfade enabled at least
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13:36:36Slasherinot anything related to the filesyste afaik
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13:37:13linuxstbI don't use crossfade, so I don't know.
13:37:38peturjhMikeS: saw my last comment on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6409 ?
13:39:01Slasherilinuxstb: but without rockbox, ipod seems to be completely useless for me at least. When i tried, i couldn't get it working with linux at all
13:41:46Kasperlelistening to music works quite well with the 30gb 5.5g (booted through ipod loader 2) ... haven't used other features of rockbox yet
13:43:10Slasheritrue.. at least enabling the second core should help with ui performance a lot
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13:44:29Slasheriand it would be also great to get the specs of the lcd.. then it could be possible to switch it off for saving battery
13:45:06linuxstbI don't think we can even access the LCD controller. IIUC, the lcd is physically connected to the Broadcom chip, and all communication goes via that.
13:45:21Slasherioh
13:45:56Slasheriis there any documentation even for that broadcom video chip then?
13:46:57linuxstbNope.
13:47:02Slasherior in worst case apple has a proprietary implementation of that as well
13:47:04Slasheri:/
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13:47:36amiconnBroadcom is another of those companies who keep theit docs secret :(
13:47:46amiconn*their
13:49:04linuxstbKasperle: Can you start the Apple firmware on your 5.5g?
13:49:10linuxstb(with ipodloader2)
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13:49:21mueslir u guys preparing for zune port?
13:49:48Kasperlelinuxstb: no
13:50:01aliaskmuesli: Not really. If the gigabeat S port goes anywhere, the zune will be likely to follow soon after
13:50:37muesliwud be great to kick m$ ass
13:51:01Kasperlelinuxstb: i don't think it'd be that hard to fix though. just seems that tempel doesn't have a lot of time to work on it these days. and i'm rather busy myself, otherwise i'd have spent some time to work on it
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13:51:43linuxstbI may get kicked off this channel for saying so, but I think a Linux port to the Zune would be more interesting than Rockbox, given the Zune's monster of a CPU and wi-fi capability.
13:52:16Kasperleor netbsd :D
13:52:36Kasperlewhat kind of cpu does it have? does it come with an mmu?
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13:52:51linuxstbKasperle: I think it's a 500MHz ARM, with mmu and fpu.
13:52:53aliaskFreescale i.MX31L
13:53:16aliaskYep, what linuxstb said.
13:53:44Slasherihuh, what overkill :)
13:53:55linuxstbSlasheri: Yes, no fun at all...
13:54:20aliaskWell, it's the L version, which doesn't have the graphics engine built in :p
13:54:38Kasperlestill nice specs
13:55:22aliaskYeah, getting video with sound will be pretty effortless. But this is all speculation, because it also has security features to the teeth, which if the manufacturers decided to enable would make hacking it VERY difficult
13:56:32Slasherihmm, what kind of security features?
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13:57:26aliaskThe main one is a system which verifys the bootloader somehow to prevent 3rd party code.
13:58:11dan_apetur: Did you try using "__attribute__((noinline))" on show_list_title()?
13:58:39Slasherithat sounds weird and bad..
13:59:59peturdan_a: amiconn told me the archos should normally get build without inlining but gcc may do so differently if calling the function causes more overhead
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14:00:16Kasperlereminds me of the xbox ... now someone'll have to come up with a malformed media file that can cause code execution ;)
14:00:36dan_aAh.
14:00:37aliaskYeah, if that's the case I think the only entry might be a buffer overflow.
14:01:57linuxstbIs the firmware itself unencrypted? i.e. can we disassemble it?
14:02:48aliaskYes, I think so. It's a windows CE image (if you like I can provide), but I don't know how to disassemble it.
14:13:01peturmarkun: gigabeats have no FM tuner, right?
14:14:50markunonly the S
14:14:59peturbah
14:16:07markunwe would like to make a custom dock connector. Maybe it could also have FM radio.
14:18:24peturI'm still looking for a device for my father: large display, 40GB+ storage, cradle, FM radio, rockboxable
14:24:31mueslih340
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14:25:27markunyes, probably the only option right now
14:26:06peturdisplay too small and it would be nice to have line-out/ac/usb on the craddle
14:29:25markunthe only thing lacking from the Gigabeat is FM radio then
14:30:16peturyes.. maybe he can live without it... will ask him this afternoon and then go looking for one
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14:47:23GnelikHi!
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14:47:30Gnelikdan_a; no progress?
14:53:53Gnelikis there any of rockbox plugins that are not in lit in the site?
14:56:45Gnelikall a dead :(
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15:11:23amiconnpetur: gcc -Os causes gcc to only inline functions if that doesn't increase code size, or if you force it to
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15:15:02amiconnpetur: I'm almost sure that the little keyword 'static' would have had the same effect as reverting to a #define
15:15:18peturshall I try?
15:15:44amiconnThing is, if a function isn't declared static, gcc needs to keep a non-inlined copy even if it inlines the function within that source file
15:16:10peturah yes, quite possible
15:16:14amiconn...because non-static functions might be used from outside the current source file
15:16:41peturusing static had crossed my mind after the initial commit
15:17:07amiconnI guess that's even a possibility for some size savings: going through all the source files and making all functions static which aren't called from the outside
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15:25:36peturanybody know of a windows tool that joins a whole bunch of wav files without altering the audio itself (resampling) ?
15:27:59funkyaudacity?
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15:44:36JdGordonSlasheri: still around?
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15:49:03SlasheriJdGordon: hi
15:49:08JdGordonhey
15:49:09dan_aGnelik: No progress. You will see in the logs, on the forums and in the changelog if there is any progress.
15:49:15JdGordondid you see my q yesterday?
15:49:51Slasherihmm, probably didn't notice that
15:50:02Slasheriat least it's not in my hilights
15:50:34JdGordonis is possible/easy to iterate through the list of albums if tc is enabled? and if it is, can it be done even if its not in the id3 browser?
15:50:47Slasheriah, that question :)
15:50:51Slasheriyes, it's possible
15:51:08Slasheriyou can directly use the tagcache api that is provided by tagcache.h
15:52:54JdGordonI have to do a search for it?
15:53:02JdGordoni mean, a search in tagcache
15:53:51Slasheriif you want a list of albums, yes
15:54:07Slasheriyou can check tagtree.c for examples how to use the api
15:54:23JdGordonok thanks
15:54:35Slasheribasically you need to call: tagcache_search, tagcache_get_next and tagcache_finish functions
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15:59:45JdGordonSlasheri: ok ta, i'll probably bug you tommorow when i get stuck
15:59:54Slasherihehe :)
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17:47:56PaulPositionHi there..
17:49:17peturHi where
17:50:01PaulPositionlol
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17:50:39*PaulPosition takes some of the same
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18:06:57obocould someone commit http://pastebin.ca/273145 ?
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18:16:46Everybody|awayhai
18:17:19Everybody|awayonce I've finished backing up my music etc I'll be able to install Rockbox! woo!
18:17:25Everybody|awayhappy happy happy
18:17:47Genre9mp3where did everybody go?
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18:18:55bluebrotherpreparing for christmas?
18:19:48Everybody|awayI didn't go anywhere :p
18:19:50Everybody|awayheh
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18:20:07Everybodydunno why I'm |away I didn't set away
18:20:13Everybodywut?
18:20:26Everybody:o NickServ tells me that this nick is already owned...
18:20:48Everybodybastads
18:21:11EverybodyI'm currently "Everybody" on 5 servers
18:21:43dan_aIf everybody installs Rockbox... that means we've acheived world domination! Yay us!
18:21:49Everybodyyay you :p
18:22:15Everybodythough the screens in the manual don't look nearly as good as the default firmware on my H10
18:22:20PaulPositionwoo
18:22:28Everybodyjust black text on blue background or something
18:22:50Everybodyis there any way to make it look sexay? :p
18:23:04PaulPositioneverybody - That's the default because there are many players with only b/w lcds...
18:23:13Everybodyoh
18:23:21PaulPositioneverybody - But if you look at WPS gallery you'll see plenty of SUPER themes.
18:23:24Everybodybut is there a way to make it look nicer?
18:23:25Everybodyoooooh
18:23:36PaulPositionOr you can make your own. Last part of the manual describe the process.
18:23:40Everybodywhat about the browser, are there themes for that?
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18:23:58Genre9mp3Open bugs in tracker: April: 80 May: 78 June: 96 July: 106 August: 130 September: 151 October: 148 November: 146 December: 151
18:23:58Everybodydo the themes change the whole theme or just the playing screen
18:24:15PaulPositionMost WPS also theme the browser itself.. backdrop, text color, selectline type (either inverted or a bullet on the left) etc..
18:27:00PaulPositionEverybody - Be advised that some of those WPS/themes use different builds with patches applied to them, like the ones with album art. Those builds can be found sometimes in the 'other builds' section of the rockbox forum or often on player-specific forums (like misticriver.net for iRiver fanatics, etc..)
18:27:35PaulPosition(I of course not speaking to everybody, I'm just telling everybody.. Uh... Argh. Gosh i hate that nick ;) )
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18:28:57Everybodyyaaaaay it worked
18:29:05Everybodyok
18:29:15Everybodyactually I sorta like this black/white theme :D
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18:29:48PaulPositionEverybody - at least try the iCatcher theme that's been installed with the build, you might like it. ;)
18:29:54Everybodyok
18:30:01PaulPositioneverybody - it's been redone just yesterday. :p
18:30:08Everybodyok :p
18:30:30Soapuh, the problem with having your life on a USB key is when you lose your USB key :(
18:30:41Ribslike your mobile phone...
18:30:43Genre9mp3PaulPosition: redone for the grayscale screens + the new versions for Sansa
18:31:10Everybodyit's rather confusing to start off with, the scrollpad is now 2 seperate buttons :p
18:31:50PaulPositiongenremp3 - Doh.. I thought he/she(?) would also have finetuned the small errors like lines overlapping icons.. Oh well, nothing one can't change all by himself. :)
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18:32:05PaulPositionEverybody - Yeah, H10 right?
18:32:13Everybodyyah
18:32:23Everybodyis there a main menu anwhere :s haha
18:32:34Genre9mp3PaulPosition: lines overlapping icons???
18:32:37PaulPositioneverybody - We do have some trouble reading from the Analog-Digital Converter so the trackpad is a bit jumpy.
18:32:39n1sRTFM!! ;-)
18:32:42Everybodyok
18:32:46Everybodyhaha ok
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18:33:24PaulPositionThe Fine one or the Fu..en one?
18:33:33Genre9mp3huh?
18:33:34n1sFine of course
18:33:37PaulPosition;)
18:33:39Genre9mp3ah
18:34:59barrywardelldan_a: do you still need to have that i2s patch tested?
18:36:28dan_abarrywardell: I do - I don't know if I've got the logic right
18:36:40PaulPositionBarry: you lost a tester for h10's as I had to put OF back on for RMA (disc is soon to be dead me think). Still wishing you good luck with porting to all those devices 'cause, well, I'll be back.
18:37:08barrywardelldan_a: i'll test on my h10 and an ipod color now
18:37:38dan_aThanks
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18:38:43barrywardellPaulPosition: that's a pity. what happened your h10?
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18:40:34PaulPositionbarrywardell - Nothing extraordinary. Started freezing when accessing some files, even in UMS mode, which sent me into panic mode. Surface scan revealed lots of bad sectors so it being a refurb and only having 90days of warranty, I thought it better put the OF on and start read-writing till it dies an ignomnious (sp?) death. :p
18:41:10hcsignominious, but I still don't know what it means
18:42:45PaulPositionhcs - lol.. something like patheticly bad... Like that roman emperor who died when some other roman dude said "you like gold? Well drink some" before filling him up with the melted stuff. That would be an ignominious death. :p
18:47:16PaulPositionDamn that stupid thing. After windoze scandisk, linux badsectors and fsck, after seagate's Seatools told me it was going to crash in a matter of minutes, now that I filled it up to the brink, it doesn't find anymore bad sector. Okay, so maybe the fourth reformat moved the badblocks out and pulled some free ones from the reserve? (microdrives work like that too, no?)
18:48:29barrywardelli think scandisk can mark sectors of a disk as bad and not for use.
18:49:35PaulPositionIndeed but when I tested under all those yesterday it was no use (ie, after scandisc surfacescan, badblocks and seagate would still find plenty bad blocks and advise me to backup and pray..) lol
18:50:37barrywardellweird
18:51:00PaulPositionGuess I'll test some more waiting for that RM Authorization.. Can't send 'em a functionning unit, I'd be joked about for years when they go for the friday 5:00-7:00 beerbashes.
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19:03:02barrywardell_dan_a: white noise on my H10 :(
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19:04:13dan_abarrywardell_: I'll sort that out
19:04:28barrywardell_do you know what the problem is?
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19:05:02barrywardellbitwise logic?
19:06:08dan_aI'm pretty sure that's it - I've not thought things through properly - it'll be the code in i2s-pp.c
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19:07:14barrywardelli'll see if i can spot anything
19:07:36dan_aYep - I could see it straight away - there's a load of |= that should be =
19:08:32barrywardellah, ok
19:09:03PaulPositionPetur - Was it you who, few weeks ago, removed all APE tags from your files? If so, how did you proceed. If not, well, nevermind.. :o
19:10:48peturnot me...
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19:11:12PaulPositionpetur - thanks anyway :)|
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19:14:05dan_abarrywardell: Try this: http://pastebin.ca/273188
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19:14:59barrywardellcool, i'll test now
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19:23:57barrywardelldan_a: still white noise
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19:32:34dan_abarrywardell: Found it! See if you can spot where I've used binary instead of hex...
19:32:44barrywardelli just spotted it too
19:32:53barrywardellFIFO_FORMAT_32LSB
19:33:01barrywardellchange that to 0x3?
19:33:08dan_aThat's the one. Yes.
19:37:01dan_aWe should be able to set BIT.FORMAT, BIT.SIZE and FIFO.FORMAT in one line of C
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19:38:55barrywardellthat was the problem. it works fine now on my h10
19:39:14PaulPositionbarrywardell - recording?
19:39:34barrywardellnope, changes to make way for the sansa
19:39:51barrywardellalthough i have had working recording at one stage
19:40:25PaulPositionbarrywardell - Ah right, it's true they share so many files..
19:41:58dan_aPaulPosition: What we're doing here is separating a function that they do share (initialising the I2S bus) from a file that they don't share (the Wolfson codec driver)
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19:43:25PaulPositiondan_a: Uh uh, makes sense.
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19:46:16amiconnjhMikeS: Swcodec recording is seriously broken in cvs :(
19:47:05amiconnIf you enter the recording screen, it appears to be working okay, but after some time (seconds to minutes) the peakmeter stops displaying anything
19:47:24dan_abarrywardell: I'll go ahead and commit that then. I guess the next step is to add API functions to change bit size, bit format, FIFO size, FIFO format, master/slave status, etc.
19:47:38amiconnIf a recording is running at this time, it stops
19:48:11amiconnIf you try to start a recording, rockbox pretends to record, but the file size and recording time stay at 0
19:48:21amiconnAll this observed on X5...
19:48:53peturI only have that wheb (quickly) stopping and starting recording
19:49:03barrywardelldan_a: yes, looks good to commit. i'm just about to test on an ipod color to be totally sure, but it looks fine to me
19:49:05petur*when
19:49:19peturgtg now
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19:50:22PaulPositionDan_a/Barrywardell: Have you guys found out what was killing crossfeed and pitch with that bootloader of yours?
19:51:02dan_aPaulPosition: No. It's very confusing!
19:51:16barrywardellPaulPosition: no. but I didn't really look into it either
19:51:53PaulPositionAh okay. :)
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20:01:52barrywardellwhere is the crossfeed code?
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20:02:44SimonSelkiMan, so I got this tag editor so I could mass edit my tags
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20:02:47SimonSelkiand it worked great
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20:03:03SimonSelkino more wierd titles
20:03:31SimonSelkibut for some reason, one of the albums I upload comes up as <untitled> for the first twelve songs
20:03:35SimonSelkiI can't figure it out
20:04:05SimonSelkiI've tried tagging them like 4 times
20:04:16SimonSelkiand re initializing and rebooting too
20:04:19SimonSelkiany ideas?
20:04:50dan_abarrywardell: apps/dsp.c and apps/dsp_arm.S
20:04:57Soapwhat tags is your tagger writing?
20:05:00SimonSelkiIn the WPS screen even, it shows the tittle and album and artist
20:05:10SimonSelkiid3v1.1
20:05:27SimonSelkibut in the browser, it just says <untitled>
20:05:53Soapare you using the Database view or FileTree view?
20:06:25SimonSelkiand when I brows the files with the Show Files >> Show All on they come up as 01. <Untitled> and 02. <Untitled>
20:06:36SimonSelkilike, they still have their track numbers in front
20:06:41Soapsee prior question.
20:07:06Soapso, it sounds to me like the actual file names are "01. <untitled>.mp3" etc.
20:07:11SimonSelkiwhat I described first was the Database, and what I just... yeah
20:07:23SimonSelkibut I've looked at em.... their not
20:07:31SimonSelkiit shows up like that
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20:07:35SimonSelkionly on my iPod
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20:08:30Soapso you are using the Database (formerly TagCache) to browse your music, and the tags show up on the WPS but not when browsing the files? Do I have the situation right?
20:09:07SimonSelkiyeah, that's right
20:09:46SimonSelkiI'm really new to Rockbox though, I didn't know it was formerly TagCache. Makes sense though.
20:10:25SimonSelkiHold on, I got that wrong, in the file browser, it shows the real name of the files
20:10:26SoapI do not use the Database myself - what tags do you have it set up to view your music by?
20:10:37SimonSelkiid3v1.1
20:10:52SimonSelkibecause id3v2 takes a long time to tag
20:11:02barrywardelldan_a: thanks. that patch works fine on ipod color too btw.
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20:12:20SimonSelkiI'm guessing now that it's just not databasing right when I initialize...
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20:14:22SoapSimonSelki: I mean which tag are you browing by in the database?
20:14:59SimonSelkioh, album
20:15:03SimonSelkiI'm sorry
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20:16:43Soapcan you DCC me a file that is not showing up properly?
20:17:08SimonSelkihmmm...... now it jjust has all the tracks on my iPod in one huge directory when I go to database
20:17:10SimonSelkiDCC?
20:17:32Soapan IRC file transfer protocol.
20:17:53SimonSelkisure
20:18:03SimonSelkiSorry, I'm new to IRC as well
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20:35:16EnsgabeHey there- I'm having some trouble building the Gigabeat build, and I'm clueless at this point; anyone willing to give a hapless newbie some help?
20:35:57SimonSelkiHey, what's a gigabeat build?
20:36:31EnsgabeJust building Rockbox for a Toshiba gigabeat player
20:36:47EnsgabeI'm 90% sure that the problem is target agnostic, though
20:37:12SimonSelkioh, I see
20:37:15SimonSelkiOkay
20:37:18dan_aEnsgabe: Describe the problem.
20:40:29EnsgabeI've got gcc installed for the target platform (arm) and I have arm-elf-gcc in my path. Individual modules build, but they don't link together
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20:41:22dan_aCan you post the error messages you get on http://pastebin.ca
20:42:11SoapSimonSelki: ?
20:42:19SoapYour tracks have no track # tag.
20:42:33SoapSimonSelki: you tracks have no track name tag.
20:42:38Soaponly artist and album
20:42:41Soapthus your problem
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20:43:20Ensgabehttp://pastebin.ca/273268
20:43:21markunEnsgabe: rockbox cvs doesn't contain all the changes to build it for the gigabeat
20:43:26markunbetter come to #gigabeat
20:43:28SimonSelkiThat can't be right
20:43:37SimonSelkiI've redone the tags like 4 times now
20:43:38SoapI'm looking at the tags right now.
20:43:44SimonSelki..
20:43:46EnsgabeOk
20:44:12SimonSelkiWait... then how does it show in the WPS?
20:44:28SoapI can't speak to that.
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20:44:41SimonSelkiNo, they must have tags
20:44:44Soapunless the WPS has a conditional to display file name when track tag is missing?
20:44:58SoapI'm looking at the tags - they don't. Period.
20:44:59SimonSelki?
20:48:32SimonSelkiMan, what the hel
20:48:39SimonSelkiI really did tag them
20:48:44SimonSelkiIt doesn't make sense
20:48:59SimonSelkieven in the Tag Viewer in Rockbox it shows tags man
20:49:32SoapI don't know how it could - the file you sent me does not have a track #, a track title, a year, or any tag outside Artist and Album.
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20:50:46SimonSelki....man one sec
20:50:54SimonSelkiI'm going to double tripple check everything
20:52:08asheswith iriver firmware my h320 skips sometimes
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20:52:26ashesits 3 days old, refurbished. i never dropped it
20:53:22SimonSelkihmm
20:53:46SimonSelkiI'm goin to restart my comp and see what I can do here, it's not even reading my ipod as connected
20:53:53SimonSelkithanks for telling me though
20:54:13SimonSelkiI'll be back here or email you with updates
20:54:19SimonSelkiI have to go to work....
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21:00:57ashesi was thinking. it'd be nice to have voice recognision login for portable audio players (ones which have microphones)
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21:02:01ashesto secure our music
21:02:09PaulPositionashes - I'd rather someone worked on a voice-generator.. I mean, there was one coming with my AdLib card, years before the first SoundBlaster. Those things were 8bits or something, ran on 25mhz 80386's...
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21:03:08ashesi saw a rockbox plugin for voice driven menus (it talks to you, not vise versa)
21:03:56PaulPositionashes - It's no plugin, it's cvs.. But you have to either record or pregenerate the menu items and folder names voice files.. (or am I totally mistaken?)
21:04:55ashesi think it has voice files
21:05:18ashesi used to have a program that would read a text file
21:05:45ashesyears ago
21:05:46PaulPositionashes - As I said, one was coming bundled with the very first sound card for pc.
21:06:27*Soap 's TI99/4A had a voice synthesis unit.
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21:07:43ashesim not sure how much storage the artificial voice needs for all the basic sounds, but i suspect its much less than the storage to specially record the names of each directory/filename
21:07:58ashesthe program i used sounded like crap though
21:08:15ashesyou needed to concentrate to figure out what it was saying
21:08:31ashesthey might be better now
21:08:59ashesthe telephone directory uses an artificial voice, i think
21:09:22ashesand pretty decent voice recognision
21:09:25PaulPositionashes - Sure but it beats having to braille-read and record mp3s for every album folder you add to your rockboxed DAP.. Or so I guess anyway, I'm not blind.
21:09:54PaulPositionashes - Of course you can't have AT&T's Natural Language working from a DAP's small cpu. :o
21:11:58ashesone day we will just be able to tell the player what song we want, or even the genre or mood
21:12:21ashes1ghz would be plenty
21:13:12PaulPositionashes - sure. Maybe even get it to compose songs for us. "I'll take some drum with that synth, please"
21:13:16ashesand the way they're being integrated with cellular phones, we should get a subscriber service that gives you an itunes-like database that lets you have access to every song ever made
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21:14:24ashesit would be good for everyone
21:15:24ashesfido makes a deal with itunes to sell mp3's at 5-10 cents each for a 30 day usage license
21:15:55ashesthe mp3/vorbis is encoded at fido with an expiry date
21:16:10ashesso they get lots of repeat business
21:16:26asheswith an option to buy the song perminently
21:17:19ashesthe phone would cost $2000 with the current market though
21:17:57ashesa 140mhz phone with a 60gb storage flash
21:18:34ashes800mhz would play video better though
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21:19:41ashesand would have enough power to play video and encrypt incoming files at the same time, to squash any priating
21:20:25ashesbut for now i just want voice login
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21:23:47PaulPositionI wish my H10 would tell me in a robotized voice "all your mp3 are belong to us" or some such. :p
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21:25:25ashesi can't find voice login software for linux
21:25:33ashesonly fingerprint
21:25:46ashesand its java
21:25:57lexomg
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21:26:02lexyou know what makes me hard
21:26:08lexhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=asY_I8y6C0M
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21:26:22lexi have to buy a wiimote
21:26:36lexbut good night now
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21:39:02webguest20I have a problem under cygwin. When I execute ../tools/configure I get the following error message: './tools/configure: line 22: syntax error near unexpected token `{
21:39:14webguest20Any ideas?
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21:40:18webguest20The line 22 in configure contains "input() {". Nothing special...
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21:50:46Everybody<3 rockbox
21:50:51Everybodyand I nearly typed cockbox there :s
21:50:55Everybodyso be happy :p
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22:06:31habanawebguest20: use vmware image of debian system configured to build rockbox
22:08:00roolkuwebguest20: this is usually a sign that the configure file contains dos cr/lf
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22:08:35roolkuwebguest20: if you convert them to unix lf it should work
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23:47:24towelie4365my ipod isn't stable with rockbox on it :-o
23:47:33towelie4365crashes frequently
23:47:43towelie4365"Data abort at 00041R18"
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23:48:21towelie4365I have the latest verion for iPod 4g greyscale
23:48:43towelie4365anyone have any idea for the cause of this instability?
23:48:48Soapall sorts of ideas.
23:48:51towelie4365nice
23:49:02Soapyou up for building a custom build?
23:49:07towelie4365Er
23:49:08towelie4365depends
23:49:14Soapcompile it yourself?
23:49:27towelie4365I don't feel like spending that much time on this
23:49:38towelie4365I just want a stable environment
23:49:58towelie4365so I don't have to use iTunes and I can add/remove files like a real drive
23:50:25SoapRockbox isn't the only way to avoid itunes.
23:50:30towelie4365I know
23:50:38SoapYou can use anapod, yamipod, ephpod, sharepod, etc.
23:50:51towelie4365I wan't to use an opensource program
23:50:57SoapOk, so you don't want to compile, I grok that.
23:51:24towelie4365well, it depends on what the compilation requires
23:51:47SoapAre you willing to give up all official support in exchange for stability? For at this time there is an Unsupported Buld for the 4th generation iPods in the forums.
23:51:47towelie4365I have almost no knowledge in programing languages
23:52:17towelie4365Really now
23:52:22towelie4365I might ahve to try it out
23:52:42towelie4365so is the supported build just unstable right now?
23:52:49Soapnot being an official product, you would need to test any problems you have on a regular build (to verify they are not a result of the unsupported build) before seeking help.
23:53:01 Quit petur ("sssssssssss---------PLOP!")
23:53:36SoapThere is an issue with the processor in the 4g / mini 1st gen not reacting as expected to attempts to change CPU frequency.
23:53:47towelie4365ah
23:53:58towelie4365so that is what causes its lack of stability?
23:53:59SoapThe unsupported build locks the processor at 75Mhz, preventing crashes, but consuming more power.
23:54:27towelie4365I assume they are working on a fix for that in the supported build
23:55:39towelie4365is there any other downfall to locking the processor at 75Mhz?
23:55:45 Quit lee-qid ("aufwiederbyebientotsayonara")
23:56:47towelie4365I will stick to this build and just update :)
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23:56:58towelie4365I don't use my ipod that often

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