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#rockbox log for 2006-12-29

00:00:03`Nox`thx , do u know whare can i find windows executable binary ?
00:00:43PaulPosition'Nox' - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=H10InstallationBeta There's a link to the mi4code page where you'll find it.
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00:01:16`Nox`thx!!! just want to use dual-boot :)
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00:01:32PaulPosition'Nox' : But when it talks about .zip, think it's a .rar (and thus you need to unrar it, not unzip it)... It's an error I haven't corrected yet. :blushes:
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00:05:45hcsthe current cvs is entirely useless for me (on ipod 4g) unless I use my cpufreq3 patch, it freezes very quickly
00:07:01linuxstbhcs: Have you tried any of the recent COP patches? I think they are almost ready for committing, so any CPU frequency fixes need to work with the COP patch.
00:07:31hcslinuxstb: no, I haven't, I'll give it a try
00:07:38linuxstbBut yes, that bug has been around for far too long now...
00:07:42PaulPositionhcs - Why aren't the H10s suffering from those freezes?
00:07:53`Nox`WE ARE :(
00:07:53linuxstbBecause CPU scaling is disabled.
00:08:04PaulPosition'Nox' Well I'm not.
00:08:25`Nox`but with eq ?
00:08:34PaulPosition'Nox': That's not freeze. :o
00:08:58`Nox`i like rockbox , but no eq sux :/
00:09:06PaulPosition'Nox': That's more like slowdowns (causing skips and such). When they say freeze they MEAN freeze.
00:09:18`Nox`ooooh
00:10:02hcslinuxstb: which of the patches (5 or 6) should I try?
00:10:16tehsmoso, what's known about the frequency scaling bug, anyway?
00:10:20linuxstbhcs: I've been told 6.
00:10:38tehsmolike, where it tends to freeze and such
00:11:02hcsfairly random...
00:11:09linuxstbtehsmo: It's only affecting the PP5020 targets (some ipods, H10), and not the PP5021/5022 targets (the rest of the ipods).
00:11:22Lloreantehsmo: I *think* that it freezes when unboosting the CPU on the 5020s
00:11:33tehsmoah
00:11:57tehsmoI thought it affected the ipod video as well
00:12:15tehsmoor dose the video use the pp5020
00:12:20tehsmos/dose/does
00:12:28linuxstbThe video is pp5021.
00:12:36tehsmoah
00:12:49linuxstbSame as the Nano. The 2nd gen Mini is the only PP5022.
00:14:19tehsmothat explains why rockbox has been rather stable for me, then
00:15:31tehsmoI was thinking of writing a plugin (or something similar) to try and reproduce the scaling bug reliably
00:15:44hcsthe new ipodpatcher is really nice
00:15:53hcs(though not sure how new it is)
00:15:59tehsmolike, perform lots of repeated computations and such, with a lot of sanity checks, while scaling up and down
00:16:12tehsmohcs: yes, it is. :)
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00:18:05linuxstbFor people with PortalPlayer targets, here's my current mpegplayer patch - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpegplayer-audio-pp-v1.diff
00:18:18linuxstbThis includes the kernel-on-cop-v6 patch.
00:19:29linuxstbI've encoding the elephants dream audio to a 44.1KHz mp3 file here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantaudio.zip which you'll need to place in the same directory as the .m2v file, and rename to have the same name as the .m2v, but with a .mp3 extension.
00:20:08hcslinuxstb: as I've noticed with previous cop patches, kernel-on-cop-v6 runs fine without the scaling patch
00:20:15linuxstbThe menu doesn't work any more in mpegplayer (but it gets displayed once at the start, so you can adjust settings). Pause doesn't work, and the plugin never exits (you need to reset).
00:20:36linuxstbhcs: Running it with CPU scaling enabled caused instant freezes on my Photo...
00:20:51linuxstbAs soon as I disabled frequency scaling, it worked flawlessly.
00:21:00hcslinuxstb: hmm, all seems well here, freq scaling enabled
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00:21:17hcsrebuilt the bootloader?
00:21:51sidWhat is windows software you can use to put music on an iPod?(the apple_os stuff)
00:21:55sidBesides iTunes
00:22:12linuxstbNo, but I wouldn't expect that to affect it. I'll try that, as well as a deleting my build directory and starting again, just to be sure.
00:28:24PaulPositionsid - In general, Rockboxer use to drag&drop folders to their device and then either browse with file tree view OR initialize database and then browse with id3 tags..
00:29:08linuxstbSoap: 320x240 is around 11fps
00:29:17PaulPositionOh, you mean for using ipod in original firmware (apple) mode? Wrong channel, then.
00:29:34amiconnlinuxstb: I had a look at mirak's coldfire speedup patches for mpegplayer a while back, because I wanted to integrate them
00:30:08amiconnUnfortunately the whole thing is rather hackish and I wasn't even able to figure out what's needed and what is not :/
00:30:47linuxstbHe's been around recently, so maybe he could be persuaded to go back and clean them up.
00:31:23linuxstbHe's sometimes here as karim (mirak reversed...)
00:31:43amiconnI know...
00:32:17linuxstbAm I right in thinking a lot of the improvements were just by using IRAM? Or is it hard to separate out the patches?
00:32:53amiconnIRAM usage and idct in assembler
00:33:53amiconnkarim is his real name. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5995
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00:36:01linuxstbAt the moment I'm linking libmad directly into mpegplayer.rock, but I'm thinking of trying to use mpa.codec instead. I'm thinking this would make IRAM swapping straightfoward (switch threads, swap IRAM), and also open mpegplayer up to using any of the available audio codecs.
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00:59:41linuxstbhcs: I just tried a clean compile (of both Rockbox and the bootloader) with the kernel-on-cop-v6 patch and get an instant freeze with CPU scaling enabled...
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00:59:57hcslinuxstb: weird.
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01:00:22linuxstbAfter a reset, it boots, but then freezes when I start mpegplayer (probably when it boosts the CPU at the start).
01:00:39hcsI've never tried it with mpegplayer
01:00:40linuxstbWhat gcc version are you using?
01:00:51hcsI'm just playing mp3s and it works ok
01:00:59linuxstbarm-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3
01:01:03hcsme too
01:01:15linuxstbAnd you have a Photo as well?
01:01:19hcsyes
01:01:25hcs60 GB
01:01:55linuxstbSame here...
01:02:21linuxstbAlthough I think mine is a "Color" - I bought it shortly before the Video was released.
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01:03:43hcscould you upload the exact build somewhere so I can compare?
01:04:20linuxstbSure. Do you want the bootloader as well?
01:04:38hcsyes
01:05:34hcsuh, how do you reset settings now? hold boots up into the original firmware now...
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01:06:15linuxstbOne moment...
01:06:15linuxstbTurn hold on after the bootloader starts but before Rockbox starts.
01:06:25KingLevellinuxstb: one last question..
01:06:37linuxstbHello.
01:06:59KingLevellinuxstb: are they any eq plugin for RB?
01:07:13KingLevelthat you know
01:07:29linuxstbhcs: This contains both the rockbox.zip and the bootloader that don't work for me: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-color.zip
01:07:43JdGordonthere is a hardware (ipod only) and software eq in the rockbox core
01:07:47linuxstbKingLevel: Yes, Rockbox has a full 5-band parametric software EQ.
01:08:24linuxstbThe hardware EQ is only for the 5g (and only the 1st and 5th bands appear to work (bass and treble)).
01:09:53KingLevelok.. thanks. now i can sleep.. 1:09
01:09:54KingLevelZZzzz
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01:24:16hcslinuxstb: I'm getting the same freezes you report with the version you sent me.
01:26:12linuxstbDo the rockbox.ipod files differ?
01:26:50linuxstbWhich binutils do you have (2.16.1 here)
01:28:03linuxstbAnd the rockbox.ipod files will differ because my version includes my mpegplayer changes (which include a new function in the plugin API).
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01:29:41hcsI have 2.16 binutils
01:31:27hcsI'm going to make sure I have the latest CVS and build it cleanly with only the cop6 patch
01:32:03hcsthough the two patches that went in since I downloaded the bleeding edge archive don't seem important
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01:33:38hcsdo you do anything other than configure, make?
01:35:04linuxstbNo.
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01:35:41linuxstbYou could also try with my combined kernel-on-cop-v6 and mpegplayer patch - that should be a copy of my current source.
01:36:21tical2kthis plays mpeg2 ?
01:36:35tical2kwith a separate mp3 file right?
01:37:15linuxstbYes. For the PortalPlayer targets only at the moment (plus Gigabeat).
01:37:57tical2kwhat is the standard for VCD audio?
01:38:21linuxstb44.1KHz 224kbit/s CBR MP2.
01:38:40tical2koh.. hurmmm....
01:38:56tical2kthat presents a problem doesnt it....
01:39:07tical2ki mean..
01:39:07linuxstbThat will work as well, but mpegplayer only looks for a .mp3 file, so you'll need to rename. It will play any audio format supported by libmad (but it doesn't resample, so it must be 44.1KHz).
01:39:15tical2kah
01:39:37tical2khave you tested it with that yet? im interested as to whether it is faster or slower
01:40:46tical2kif not... i can do that... your patch still v6
01:41:45linuxstbNo, I haven't tested mp2 audio.
01:42:19linuxstbAt the moment, mpegplayer should play any MPEG audio file, at any bitrate - the main CPU isn't doing anything else.
01:42:27tical2kok
01:43:08tical2kalright.... next question... i got all the cross-compilers running and whatnot... what do you think needs improving in mpegplayer?
01:43:22linuxstbEverything...
01:43:27tical2kheh
01:43:44tical2ki saw that you said the controls no longer work
01:44:10tical2kis that more due to threading?
01:44:17linuxstbThe audio playback at the moment is just a proof-of-concept, to see if the PP chips are capable of video decoding on one core and audio decoding on the other core simultaneously, without any slowdown in video speed. And it seems that they are.
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01:45:22tical2kthats a big breakthrough though
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01:46:23linuxstbThe next step is to choose a container format - MPEG program streams (i.e. .mpg) or AVI seem the obvious candidates - and implement it.
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01:59:53amiconneuhm
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02:00:11DerPapst_GodEater: it might be that the MK8010GAH uses ATA-6. according to http://www.welovemacs.com/mk8010gah.html the MK8009GAH is the exact same drive without the Apple Logo.
02:00:27amiconnlinuxstb, dan_a, lostlogic: I just had an idea what might be wrong with dualcore and playback performance
02:01:05linuxstb?
02:01:11DerPapst_The toshiba site says that the MK8009GAH supportes ATA-3,4,5 and 6 but not 7.
02:01:11amiconnIt might be that it's neither memory bandwidth nor the scheduler acting up, but the voice codec <=> audio codec interlocking necessary because of the IRAM sharing
02:01:40*JdGordon just realsied how shit celerons are
02:01:46linuxstbamiconn: Would that affect things when voice isn't enabled?
02:01:50amiconnSo if audio runs on the cop but voice runs on the cpu, both cores may interlock even if the scheduler is working as it should
02:02:12topblokecan u guys use the Broadcom chip on video ipods?
02:02:17linuxstbtopbloke: No.
02:02:21JdGordonmy celeron 2.4g did a compile in 3min and my laptops pentium M 1.3ghz did it in 1.42min!
02:02:48amiconnlinuxstb: Maybe not, but I am not sure at all. Unfortunately I don't understand how playback.c works
02:03:01topblokeits not documented?
02:03:30linuxstbtopbloke: Correct.
02:04:09tical2khaha yeah but there are comments sporadically placed :-)
02:04:11linuxstbamiconn: Something seems odd, when mpegplayer can use the COP with no apparent bottlenecks, but playback isn't benefitting.
02:04:25amiconnYes, that's what led me to this theory
02:04:38LloreanDisabling the scheduler doesn't help, by the way
02:04:39DerPapst_GodEater: toshibas info page: ttp://www.toshiba-europe.com/storage/pci.asp?model=MK8009GAH
02:04:41amiconnmpegplayer doesn't use the playback engine but its own mechanisms
02:04:49LloreanThe menus become fast, but playback can still be made to skip with fast scrolling in lists.
02:04:54linuxstbBut then I can also play audio and decode 10fps video on a single core, but the rockbox UI lags when music is playing...
02:05:39*amiconn thinks the best way to go with playback would be to start a new engine
02:05:53amiconnmight be, at least
02:05:54linuxstbI wouldn't argue against that.
02:06:21LloreanA new engine for mpegplayer, or rebuild the playback engine?
02:06:27amiconnPlayback engine
02:06:39*Llorean agrees.
02:06:48LloreanI'd have agreed with both, but I wanted it to be clear which one I was nodding at.
02:06:52*amiconn wonders whether he would be up to the task
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02:07:21tical2khow does mpegplayer use IRAM?
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02:07:41amiconnAt least I would have a good reason to try it... hwcodec/swcodec integration, for integrating hwcodec pcm playback and potentially more
02:07:42markunamiconn: if you can't then who can..
02:08:01amiconnmarkun: I'm more of a low-level guy...
02:08:10linuxstbtical2k: It doesn't really. ipods don't seem to benefit much from it, and it hasn't been done yet (in CVS) for Coldfire.
02:08:22tical2kah ok...
02:08:54linuxstbAnd it also doesn't make sense to optimise IRAM usage until we get audio working properly.
02:08:55tical2ki was just looking at the playback.c and saw it allocated IRAM buffers for voice
02:09:19*amiconn likes reading datasheets, writing drivers, and optimised assembler routines
02:09:24amiconnThat kind of stuff...
02:10:29linuxstbThere's still a lot of missing ARM assembler functions... memcpy, ATA read/write,...
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02:12:40amiconnYeah, but no pp datasheet to play with :(
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02:15:56*amiconn wonders whether someone will bring an 80GB G5.5 and/or a pp5020 ipod (not 5021/5022) for devcon
02:16:16amiconnIf those problems aren't solved before devcon, that is
02:16:31jeffbwhere id devcon
02:16:33jeffb*is
02:17:01amiconnSweden, most probably
02:17:04jeffbah
02:17:28jeffbsounds fun... I'd have to travel from the US
02:17:59amiconnlostlogic attended the last devcon... he's from the US too
02:18:07scorchewe could have 2 devcons...one in the US and one in sweden...have plenty of webcams ;)
02:18:20jeffbI wouldn't mind seeing sweden
02:18:23scorchebut we couldnt go get the same beer afterwards =(
02:18:28LloreanActually, at a point, Lostlogic and I were talking about the idea of a US devcon if we ever ended up with enough US devs.
02:18:30jeffbI dated a Swedish girl in college...
02:19:06LloreanOf course, I wouldn't be terribly much use at a devcon anyway, other than a "Can someone test this code on target while I go on to more important things?" and "Anyone want to make a food run for us?" ;)
02:19:31scorcheand then you woulg tell me to go do that
02:19:40scorchedelegation ;)
02:20:01tehsmowhat time of year is devcon?
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02:21:19scorchewhenever it happens
02:21:39tehsmoah
02:22:25scorchelast year it was march 18-19
02:22:42linuxstbThis year?
02:23:11DerPapst_he already lives in 2007 ;)
02:23:42linuxstbStrange, GMT+72 timezone...
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02:33:06marrieHello. I have an ipod vidio and i tried to nstall rockbox on it and I think i was successful but when I tried to arrow up and down it woldn't speak. I'mnew t working this ipod so not sure what i'm doing yet. I hope I didn't break anything. Thanks.
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02:39:54webguest45hello people anyone here who can help me?
02:40:31JdGordononly in the metophorical sense....
02:40:34webguest45my question i play go and need a byo yomi clock plugin for rockbox
02:40:46webguest45not just a chess clock
02:41:04webguest45any idea where to get it?
02:41:24LloreanSomeone would have to write one, or modify the chess clock.
02:41:28JdGordonunless its in the standard .zip there isnt one
02:41:56webguest45maybe one of the developers also plays go
02:42:14webguest45im not a programmer
02:43:17webguest45 im sure there are a lot of people with use of such a clock
02:43:41LloreanWell, you could always write a feature request.
02:44:05webguest45on rockbox main page?
02:44:16LloreanOn the feature request tracker, linked to from the main page, yes.
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02:44:51webguest45thanks i just hoped for some go player here suprised by this great idea
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02:52:13Soaplinuxstb: thank you for the 320x240 number, it is about what I had figured.
02:54:54linuxstbEnabling frame-skip (which bascically means frames are decoded, but not converted from yuv to rgb and displayed) gave a decode speed of about 21fps. So I'm thinking about moving the yuv2rgb conversion back to the main CPU, and just using the COP for the actual decoding. But I haven't worked out how yet...
02:55:27marries is there a way for me to get rockbox working on an ipod vidio when I'm visually impaired?
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02:57:31linuxstbmarrie: I haven't used Rockbox's voice features, so can't really help. But I know there are quite a lot of visually impaired users on the Rockbox mailing list - they may be able to offer specific advice/help.
02:57:51marrieI'll take a look. is that on the rockbox homepage?
02:58:46thegeekyou might want to check out the manual too
02:59:05Soaphttp://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rockbox
02:59:06thegeekI think I remember someone on the forum having voice on an ipod video
02:59:25marrieI did but it's not an easy read. I followed the steps it gave me and i copyed the voice file tothe right place but no go.
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02:59:41Soapsorry, marrie, the link I just posted is the link to subscribe to the Rockbox mailing list.
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03:00:53thegeekmarrie: sorry, I can't offer any specific advice as I really dont have any experience with voice on any recent version of rockbox
03:01:08marrieno worries. I'm learning to.
03:01:17marriethanks for the link. I uust subscribed
03:02:05tehsmoisn't there a wiki section for visually impaired topics?
03:02:24marriethat wiki is a bit confusing
03:02:28tehsmoah, just a faq
03:02:53tehsmohttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BlindFAQ not sure how useful that'll be, but it might help
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03:04:58Soapmarrie: What do you find confusing about the wiki? A fellow was in the other night (he was not visually impared) and he made many harsh comments about the wiki.
03:05:57SoapNot being visually impared, and being a bit of an oaf, his comments were (rightfully) set aside. I am curious, though, what your thoughts would be.
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03:08:08marrieI found the autio file and I'm hopiong it will help a little bit.
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03:08:57marrieFirst thee are 2 search fileds one leding to flyspray and the other one beeing a regular search field it is a bit confusing to a first time user of the wiki.
03:11:42Soapand those two search fields are always there.
03:12:09Soapand neither one is actually a wiki search.
03:12:34marrieI was just glansing it I do like the this page target links. it makes things easier to navigate
03:12:59SoapTo do a wiki search you need to click on the wiki link, then click on the search link in the wiki frame, then fill in the search box.
03:13:17marrieah. I'll have a look at that.
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03:36:34hcslinuxstb: I don't know what to tell you, I've got a clean build here, made from your mpegplayer-cop6 patch, running fine
03:36:46hcsI can send you my build if you want to make a comparison
03:40:33hcsit should also be noted that the peak meter and MP3 decoding can actually both run together now
03:47:53Soapstop teasing the unwashed masses and commit!
03:48:00Soap;)
03:48:25hcswell, it freezes for him
03:48:58hcshttp://hcs64.com/rockbox/rockbox-col.zip
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03:50:25markungiant gigabeat commit in cvs
03:50:44markunLets hope I didn't break too much
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03:55:51Soap'tis funny that the ipods may very well go dual core while the server is single core.
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04:19:03*Nimdae hugs markun and sends him a cookie
04:19:40Nimdaebah, the gigabeat s isn't listed on the builds yet
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04:19:45Nimdaeis it being built with cvs commits?
04:21:46scorchebagder has to add it
04:24:52Nimdaeah
04:24:58Nimdaeit'll be nice to see it on there :)
04:25:51Nimdaethat may be enough for me to get a gigabeat :P
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04:27:33Drumrthis is a crazy question BUT... any possibility of running rockbox on the thanko mp4 watch?
04:28:18Drumrthe same firmware is used in multiple units with different types of form factors... so it would work for multiple platforms...
04:28:38Nimdaeyeah, it is crazy to ask
04:28:45Drumrlol, i agree
04:28:55Nimdaeand it's been answered
04:29:07Nimdaei guess that's the reason it's crazy to ask
04:29:16Drumroh really?
04:29:22Nimdaeyeah
04:29:34Drumri searched with multiple keywords, guess i missed it
04:30:53Drumranyways... just updated my 5g ipod to latest firmware so im going to be installing RB again... might as well stick around for support if i need it
04:33:46Nimdaebasically the question is "Will Rockbox ever be ported to <insert my player here>?" and the answer is "When you port it, or provide hardware and documentation to someone who is willing to port it."
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04:34:29Nimdaei think the current devs are spread pretty thin as it is with supporting the hardware they are already working on
04:36:19Drumri understand
04:36:50Drumri could provide information regarding it but i am nowhere near porting rockbox to another platform
04:37:30Drumri was around for the whole h320 port and was reqlly involved with the various version before color and mp3 support, so i do undersnatd what it takes :-D
04:37:42Drumralthough... i cannot type
04:38:01Drumryou have a 30gb 5gen?
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04:38:14Nimdaeyeah
04:38:18Drumrcool
04:38:19Nimdaei use rockbox on it, heh
04:38:22Drumr:-D
04:38:31Nimdaesupposedly we got some battery improvements coming
04:38:36Nimdaeand possibly usb
04:38:36Drumri have the 60gb black
04:38:42Drumrthat would be nice
04:38:52Drumranything better than ID3 for people using itunes?
04:39:02Drumrand what aout scroll support
04:39:10Drumror... a specialized build?
04:39:18Drumrive been out of rockbox for a few months
04:39:22tehsmolike, accelerated scrolling?
04:39:33tychver*tychver hides
04:39:36Drumrlol
04:39:45Drumri hate accelerated scrolling :-D
04:39:50Nimdaewell, considering how itunes stores the media, it's difficult to use anything other than the tag database
04:39:52tychverI was supposed to be resyncing the scroll acceleration patch this week
04:40:00Drumryea trus
04:40:00tehsmoah
04:40:08Drumrtrue*
04:40:13Nimdaewell, what i've noticed with the scrolling is it's heavily tied to the cpu speed
04:40:20Nimdaeif you scroll while idle, it's slow
04:40:25Drumryea, excuse me guys if i appear as a n00b... :)
04:40:26Drumrlol
04:40:32tehsmowell, it's only failing at 2 hunks, not *too* bad. ;)
04:40:36Nimdaeif you scroll while playing music, particularly when it's boosting, it's faster
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04:40:54Soapthe 5G has a large screen to update.
04:41:03Drumrusually when i scrolled my music skips
04:41:13SoapDrumr: even on a current build?
04:41:16tychveryeah, are the list scrolling optimisations working?
04:41:18Drumrnah
04:41:26Drumrthats probably a month ago
04:41:39tychverso if you scroll only one line it doesn't redraw the entire screen?
04:41:40Drumrim now gonna install RB again after updating apple f/w
04:41:42tychversomeone should really fix that
04:42:08Soapwith the new(er) scheduler, Drumr, audio playback take a front seat and you shouldn't be able to cause playback glitches anymore while scrolling.
04:42:12SoapThough
04:42:22SoapScrolling is even slower than it was (while playing music)
04:42:41Nimdaei've really only been disatisfied with the scrolling while idle
04:42:46Nimdaebut i don't want it to boost just to scroll
04:42:53DrumrSoap: great
04:43:21Drumrit limits cpu clock while idle?
04:43:28Soapwhen the coprocessor support gets up to speed, though, that should give you the best of both worlds, though I don't think scrolling will be as fast as in Apple Firmware until something like the Scroll Acceleration patch gets committed.
04:44:04Nimdaeit seems like the scroll wheel input could be implemented better
04:44:18Nimdaebut what do i know?
04:44:25Nimdaei'm not a programmer :P
04:44:29Drumr:)
04:44:48Drumrhmm, how do i use the IPL bootloader w/ rockbox?
04:45:06Drumri saw a guide to that on the RB site a while ago... is that option still around?
04:45:08tychvernot long ago there was a patch to change how the scroll values were captured
04:45:16tychverI don't know if it was ever committed
04:45:23Soapthe IPL bootloader should detect your rockbox.ipod file and give you an option in the boot menu?
04:45:26Soaploader2?
04:45:30tychverI'm mostly learning on the job so a few of these things are beyond me
04:45:41Drumryea... how do you install the IPL bootloader? ;)
04:45:59Soap#ipodlinux
04:46:56Drumrhttp://ipodlinux.org/IPod_Application_Manager
04:46:56Drumrhmm
04:47:05Drumrthanks soap :)
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05:48:53gantrixxI know this isn't the place to ask it, but I was wondering if someone who is familiar with the iAudio X5 could help me
05:49:07gantrixxmy X5 seems to have become a read-only file system
05:49:20gantrixxI can't delete or add files to it
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05:54:22gantrixx120 people in this chat room......anyone at the keyboard?
05:54:48zenot anyone who knows anything about that i guess
05:55:13Drumripl automated bootloader > rockbox bootloader
05:55:29gantrixxbecause if I can't write to it, I can't even install the bootloader
05:55:32Drumrwhy isnt the ipl automated loader in the rockbox documentation?
05:55:41Drumrwait
05:55:47Drumrworry
05:55:55Drumri wasnt speaking to you :) no offense
05:56:07Drumri dont know about the x5... sorry
05:56:21Drumrpossibly a HDD error?
05:56:28Drumrany chance you dropped it?
05:57:03tehsmogantrixx: running linux or windows?
05:57:10gantrixxlinux
05:57:14tehsmoah
05:57:16tehsmocheck dmesg
05:57:16gantrixxfc6
05:57:42tehsmolinux will mount a drive read-only if errors occur in the filesystem driver
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05:57:54tehsmoso, for example, when I unplugged my ipod without unmounting a couple days ago
05:57:55Coldtoasthey all
05:58:03tehsmoI got FAT filesystem panic in my dmesg
05:58:04tehsmoand it mounted read-only
05:58:08gantrixxok, it looks like I get a bunch of filesystem panic (dev sda1) error
05:58:15Coldtoastdoes rockbox work on the latest 30GB ipod?
05:58:18tehsmoahha
05:58:29scorcheColdtoast: yes
05:58:33ColdtoastI'm about to go buy a new ipod and the 8GB nano is the same price as the 30GB ipod
05:58:35gantrixxhow do I fix this
05:58:38Coldtoastexcellent
05:58:42tehsmogantrixx: well, depends on the cause
05:58:49tehsmoyou can try fscking the filesystem
05:59:00gantrixxFAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1)
05:59:00gantrixx invalid access to FAT (entry 0x92fb50a3)
05:59:03gantrixxthis is all it says
05:59:04tehsmoif you just forgot to unmount before unplugging it's probably fixable
05:59:04tehsmohmm
05:59:06tehsmointeresting
05:59:09gantrixxwell there are a bunch of these
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06:00:01tehsmoyou could try fscking it and see what it comes up with
06:00:10Drumr#itunes
06:00:11tehsmomake sure to enable interactive fixing so you can see what went wrong
06:00:16Drumrahh sorry
06:00:36gantrixxso just fsck /media/IAUDIO
06:01:15tehsmowell, you need the correct fsck, that's probably ext2 iirc
06:01:33tehsmotry either dosfsck, fsck.fat, or something like that
06:01:52tehsmoand use the -r switch
06:02:10tehsmoalso, unmount it before doing this
06:03:23gantrixxok I'm doing an dosfsck /dev/sda1
06:03:53gantrixxit asks: 1) use first FAT, 2) Use second FAT
06:04:11gantrixxwhat does that mean?
06:04:17tehsmohmm. I've never seen that before
06:04:31tehsmoprobably means the filesystem has two file allocation tables on it
06:04:42tehsmoso one may give different results than the other, perhaps try both
06:05:27tychvertesmo: the scroll accel patch doesn't compile even if it is resynced, it needs to be changed to use bitmaps
06:05:43gantrixxwow, I'm just guessing at stuff
06:05:55tehsmotychver: ah. no fun
06:06:29gantrixxI'd be happy if I could just erase everything and start from scratch
06:06:48tehsmothat you could probably do as well, although I don't know much about that
06:06:54tehsmoexcept that itunes+emergency disk mode could do it
06:09:05gantrixxI wonder if I plugged it into a windows box, if it would work
06:09:44gantrixxI guess I'll fire up the windows box
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06:12:43tehsmogantrixx: also, if you want ot determine if HD failure is the cause of the errors, you could try testing for bad blocks
06:12:51tehsmoalthough that would probably take quite a while
06:14:40tychvertehsmo: I was considering reimplementing it better way anyway, having acceleration as a product of time spent scrolling above the threshhold and the speed of scrolling
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06:15:40tehsmotychver: ah. yeah, that does sound better
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06:18:46tychvertehsmo: well I find that scrolling is very jerky with the current way of just using it as a product of the number of continuous scrolls
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06:19:10tehsmoyeah
06:19:37tehsmomakes sense that speed of scrolling would affect it as well, although I'd have to try it out in practice to be sure
06:19:48gantrixxtehsmo: could it have anything to do with this selinux stuff?
06:19:53tychverI think that's the way that apple do it
06:20:04tychvergantrixx: definately
06:20:27tychverare you accessing the drive as root?
06:20:39gantrixxno
06:20:47tychverthen you should try that
06:20:47gantrixxbut I have tried chmod as root
06:20:57tychvertry accessing the drive as root
06:20:57gantrixxand it won't do it
06:21:18tychverthere may be other reasons as to why it won't do it
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06:21:38tychverand you often can't chmod a folder even as root if it's currently in use by a daemon
06:21:44tychverie an automounter
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06:25:18gantrixxstrange, I just plugged a jump drive into it and I was able to create and erase a file
06:25:29gantrixxlet me ask the fedora guys if they know anything about this
06:27:44tehsmowell, I think the filesystem panic is pretty indicative of it being a screwed up fs
06:28:08tehsmothat or your kernel incorrectly thinks it's messed up
06:29:48goffayippie... gigabeat merge
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06:33:59jeffbata is an interesting protocol
06:34:08jeffbbeen writing a lot of new routines to test on the 5.5g ipod
06:34:17World_Entitysup sup
06:34:53World_Entityjeff...you workin' with the 80gb or 30
06:37:27jeffb80gb
06:38:18World_Entitygood on ya man... honestly I don't know what the hell i'm doing half the time. but it hasn't stopped me from screwing around on my new christmas present.
06:38:32World_Entitycan't wait the get that ish working man
06:39:48World_Entitymade any exciting discoveries yet?
06:46:38jeffbhaven't really discovered anything yet...
06:46:52jeffbI'm issuing simple commands to the disk controller and looking at the output
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06:53:24World_Entityso what's the main difference between the 80gb 5.5 and the rest of the apple lineups...the ata controller? also read something about it being 2048 instead of 512 or something like this? do you think these things will stump the Rockbox developers for life or are you guys confident you can figure this one out? it's just a matter of time right?
06:53:52jeffbnah I don't think it will stump us for life
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06:53:59jeffbdevelopers for rockbox are very smart
06:54:10World_Entityoh..i have no doubt
06:54:17World_Entityi love you guys...
06:54:24jeffbthe 5.5g ipods have a sector size of 2048 bytes.
06:54:49World_Entityare you one of the many predominent developers...ahhh yes...sector size..that's right
06:54:59jeffbI am not an official developer
06:55:06jeffbthough perhaps one day I will attain that status
06:55:12World_Entityjust a hobbiest
06:55:28World_Entityfun shit though...i love problem solving
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06:57:35World_Entityam i correct in assuming the main problem lies around the loader not the rockbox os...
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07:00:16tehsmohmm, anyone here use bookmarks much?
07:01:16*tehsmo is wondering if anyone has thoughts on how bookmarks should work with the tag database
07:02:22JdGordontehsmo: sort of... the current bookmark implementatino sux (imho). I rekon it shhuold be replaced by savgin a copy of the .playlist_control file with some resume information
07:02:34JdGordonthen it would work with very minimal effort
07:02:50JdGordonbut I dont understand how that file gets updated/saved...
07:02:58jeffbhrm I think READ_SECTOR_EXT might be needed on this larger drive
07:02:58tehsmosavgin?
07:02:58jeffbrather than READ_SECTOR_EXT
07:03:00JdGordonsaving
07:03:04tehsmoah
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07:03:31tehsmoyeah, I've been digging through the current implementation ..it's a mess as far as trying to adapt to the database goes
07:04:20tehsmoI'll look at that playlist_control file
07:06:54jeffbWorld_Entity, the main problem with the 5.5g 80gb isn't known, but several here think the disk controller could be modified or the drive may not responsd to PIO
07:07:41tehsmohmm, I think the playlist_control file is just a file version of the regular playlist control structures ..shouldn't be too hard to mess with
07:07:54tehsmoI need to figure out more about how playlist.c and the tagcache work together, though
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07:10:04tehsmoI'm tempted to for now, just make a patch that'll allow resuming from individual files
07:10:20tehsmoso you would navigate to the playlist you want like normal, then start the file you want, then go into the context menu and load the bookmark
07:10:55tehsmothat much functionality could be implemented without *too* much effort, albeit rather hackishly
07:14:37World_Entityjeff: hmmm... well, I wish the best to all the rockbox developers then... apple is probably gonna stick with this new sector size and ata controllers because I'm sure they are developing something a lot more juicy on the same hardware...we're all just test dummies right now...things are not gonna change anytime too soon...keep up the good work guys..
07:15:01World_Entitygotta run
07:15:08JdGordontehsmo: if you can figure out how to save the playlist_control file seperatly then all that needs to be done is change the .bmark hanndler to the playlist loader and it wll work with everything, so noting special for tagcache
07:16:58tehsmohmm. so far I can't seem to find that file being saved at all
07:17:18tehsmo(using the simulator with find -name )
07:17:56JdGordonthats where i got stuck.... the fd is kept open the whole time and stored in playlist->current_fd (i think). so I think replacing that and calling whatever does a full recreate would work.. but i dunno
07:18:25tehsmoah
07:19:41tehsmohmm, tagtree.c isn't too big. I might print it out tomorrow and read through it
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07:20:19tehsmomaybe I'll print out playlist.c as well
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07:21:25*JdGordon thinks tehsmo has shares in his local paper/ink maker :D
07:21:42tehsmoheh
07:21:54tehsmoit's only 22 duplexed pages for the both of them. :)
07:22:15tehsmoit's too bad I'm not at school at the moment, they have laser printers with auto-duplex
07:22:20tehsmono flipping sheets or anything
07:28:23tehsmoI think I'll make some use cases for bookmarks to clear my head on how to go about this. the wiki sounds like a good place for that. :)
07:29:33tehsmoalthough I'm not registered on it atm
07:30:46JdGordontehsmo: register and tell me your nick and il give you write access
07:30:54tehsmook
07:32:37tehsmogo, email server go
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07:38:39tehsmohmm, seems the activation email is lost in the internet somewhere. I may just go to bed and finish signing up in the morning
07:40:13PaulPositionHahaha... Youtube videos of rockDoom on Sansa E200.. *That* will be the death of you!! (err, shouldn't I rather be crying..?)
07:40:23PaulPositionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV70iyTy-MU
07:42:04mightybrickIs the forum server down? I can't seem to connect.
07:42:19PaulPositionright.
07:42:39JdGordonPaulPosition: he looks like he has more control than on the h300!
07:42:41mightybrickOK. Thanks.
07:44:25PaulPositionJdGordon: He does indeed.. Sansa looks just like a gamepad. I think I'd want the screen tilted 90 deg. for games and movies. Not that I own such a device.
07:45:03PaulPositionmightybrick - It wasn't down a few minutes ago when I stumbled upond a link to that video in the Sansa thread...
07:45:39tehsmoyeah, I'll just go to bed for now. thanks for the help, JdGordon. later all
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07:45:44JdGordonok
07:46:34mightybrickPaulPosition - Hmmm. I can't get it to come up. I was checking a page on the wiki, and clicked the forum link, and it won't load. It's been about 15 min now trying to load.
07:47:43mightybrickPaulPosition - nevermind. It works now. Weird...
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07:54:18jpmaximilianwhy would i get the output [ERR] No ipods found. when I run ./ipodpatcher −−scan, even though there is an ipod moutned on my desktop?
07:54:47bagawkjpmaximilian: linux?
07:54:54jpmaximilianubuntu 6.10
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07:55:40bagawkjpmaximilian: escalate the privledges with 'sudo ./ipodpatcher −−scan'
07:56:09jpmaximilianbagawk: same result
07:57:26bagawk:/ I am not really familiar with the iPod tools (I have the 80gb, not supported yet) so I am not really sure what to tell you
07:57:57bagawkjpmaximilian: might be able to just tell it to use a spefic device (/dev/sda most likely)
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08:01:54jpmaximilianbagawk: i ran mount, the interesting part is, /dev/sda2 on /media/ipod type vfat
08:02:17jpmaximilianbagawk: so i run sudo ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda2 -a bootloader-\ ipod3g.ipod
08:02:38jpmaximilianbagawk: and i get [ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting
08:03:15PaulPositionWhat would be a rockbox error -6 ?
08:03:24PaulPositionOr where would I look for insight?
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08:07:10bagawkjpmaximilian: what about /dev/sda1? it seems that is the boot partition
08:08:37jpmaximilianbagawk: [ERR] Bad boot sector signature
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08:12:24bagawkjpmaximilian: honestly not sure
08:12:39jpmaximilianbagawk: alright, thanks for the help anyways
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08:22:40amiconnjpmaximilian: Ipodpatcher needs access to the whole device, not a partition. So use /dev/sda
08:23:18amiconnPaulPosition: In the bootloader?
08:24:51amiconnmarkun: The gigabeat sim is RED.
08:25:02jpmaximilianamiconn: do i need to be working from an ipod with apple's firmware on it, or can i have reformatted it to ext3?
08:30:14PaulPositionamiconn - Yup.
08:30:34PaulPositionNot for me, a dude's install probably went wrong.
08:32:02PaulPositionamiconn - Happens when he tries to dualboot into OF on an iRiver H10. But I'm willing to go and fetch the information myself if I know where to look. (there ain't nothing like 'error codes' in the wiki for 'nstance)
08:33:25PaulPositionI suggested he may not have properly decrypted it, but I figured it wouldn't hurt learning where to fish for that info given the lot of messages I answer over at misticriver.. :p
08:34:43PaulPositionOh, it just dawned on me that your "In the bootloader?" may have been more of a zen/yoda instruction than an actual question...
08:35:14PaulPositionheh
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08:47:17jpmaximiliani get an error "[ERR] Unknown version number in firmware (00000000)" when trying to run ipodpatcher
08:50:23jpmaximiliani seem to have found an answer, the ipodpatcher doesn't work for 3g ipods
08:50:23jpmaximilianhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7851.0
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09:32:50GodEaterAnyone around who'd care to give me write access to the Wiki ?
09:33:37Coldtoasthey again
09:33:52Coldtoastwhat's the state of vid playback on the ipod using rb?
09:34:40amiconnGodEater: wikiname?
09:35:44*GodEater resets his password too. Forgotten it completely.
09:36:43GodEaterI'm a complete plank this morning
09:36:54GodEaterResetting your password isn't a bright idea when you've not entered your email address
09:38:30GodEaterColdtoast: have you read today's / yesterday's IRC log ?
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09:43:17Coldtoastnope
09:43:36GodEaterwell if you do - you'll know what the status is
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09:47:38goppI got one question
09:47:38Coldtoastwhere's the log?
09:47:42Coldtoastrb.org?
09:47:44goppzune and rockbox any work
09:47:54goppwill thier be a port
09:47:59goppis it worth for me to save up and get a zune
09:48:11scorchesounds like 3
09:48:51ColdtoastGodEater: the log's quite big. care to just give me a brief summary?
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09:48:59scorchethere wont be a port unless someone comes forward with the time, motivation, capability, and the device
09:49:17scorcheColdtoast: search
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09:49:55GodEaterColdtoast: all I'd be doing is reading it and summarising it. Why should I do that for you? You have eyes don't you ?
09:50:49Coldtoastwhat I'm after is an overview of what codecs are supported
09:50:58Coldtoastand how well they play
09:51:05GodEaterwell have a read and find out then
09:51:06scorchempeg2 elemental video stream
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09:57:42jeffbyes
09:57:48jeffbI'm on vacation
09:57:52jeffbso my schedule is all screwed pu
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10:01:57GodEaterI'm on a real downer today - I got all excited when I worked out the drive in the 80G is ATA-7, and figured we MUST have missed a setting for it. And then we hadn't - and the stuff in the ATA-7 registers makes no sense :(
10:03:01jeffbyup I've been looking at the code too
10:03:43jeffbI wonder if the ata interface should be using READ_SECTORS_EXT rather than just READ_SECTORS. 80gb is rather large for such an old read command
10:04:40GodEaterit doesn't need 48 bit addressing though
10:04:46GodEateryou only need that above 137Gb IIRC
10:04:57jeffbah
10:05:27GodEaterbesides - someone already commited LBA48 code :)
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10:06:48GodEateralso - I don't think we're using READ SECTORS by default on those drives anyway - we're using READ MULTIPLE since the drive reports it supports it
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10:39:34jeffbGodEater, any ideas?
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10:39:49GodEateron?
10:40:13jeffbata issue
10:41:13GodEaterdisassembly of the flash image again
10:41:24GodEaterwhich means we're back to trying to get it off the iPod somehow
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10:41:52GodEaterall the PIO stuff we've tried screws up
10:41:59jeffbyup same here
10:42:06GodEaterso all I have left is that we get DMA working
10:42:15GodEaterand we need a lot of info to make that happen
10:42:19jeffbyeah
10:43:05GodEaterotherwise I'm fresh out of ideas
10:43:09GodEater:(
10:43:44GodEaterunless the mysterious MrH walks in from stage left with a miracle :)
10:43:50jeffbheh
10:45:54jeffbI'm out of idea myself
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10:47:26linuxstbIt could simply be some unknown initialisation in the portalplayer ATA hardware that we don't do. But I'm 99% sure the 80GB's flash is the same as the 30GB's (if you compare the same version...).
10:47:34linuxstbWe could ask Slasheri to upgrade his firmware (downloading the .ipsw file, unzipping it, then dd'ing it to his ipod).
10:48:15linuxstbBut yes, disassembling the flash seems the way to go.
10:48:17GodEaterin which case we can just disassemble the 30G's flash image
10:48:29linuxstbGodEater: Exactly...
10:48:43GodEaterwhich is the easy bit - it's groking it afterwards that I'll pass on :)
10:49:18linuxstbYes, it's not easy, but it will guarantee results eventually. The bootloader accesses the disk, so the answer must be there.
10:49:24jeffbI was able to load the 30 gig flash image on to the drive as a payload and jump to it's entry point... I was able to get disk mode working...
10:49:55linuxstbjeffb: Interesting...
10:50:24linuxstbHow did you map RAM?
10:51:06jeffbI loaded the image at nearly the end of the ram (32 mb payload)
10:51:12jeffband so I guess it used the same ram areas
10:51:19jeffbI didn't map the ram differently
10:51:34linuxstbSo the flash itself wasn't running from address 0x0?
10:51:35jeffbnope
10:51:48linuxstbThen maybe it just jumped to the "real" flash.
10:51:55jeffbpossible
10:52:14jeffbactually it probably did
10:52:15jeffbdamn
10:52:33jeffb:/
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10:52:53linuxstbYou would need to remap at least part of RAM to address 0x0, to hide the existing flash, and put the 30GB's flash there.
10:53:08linuxstbBut then we don't know what RAM the flash code uses.
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10:55:09jeffbyeah :/
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10:56:21linuxstbamiconn: (as you've done a lot of gcc bug-hunting) - I don't know if you read in the logs, but hcs is using gcc-4.0.3 and binutils 2.16 and his builds don't freeze on the PP5020. I'm using gcc-4.0.3 and binutils 2.16.1 and my builds do. So I was wondering if you had any thoughts... Also, I'm on Mac OS X, but I don't know about hcs.
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11:05:14pixelmalinuxstb: I don't know if this info helps but an older version of binutils caused some corrupted files in sim builds for me (codecs and plugins)
11:06:14jeffbwelp I give up for awhile GodEater
11:06:21jeffbneed to come back to it a bit later :/
11:07:12linuxstbpixelma; Thanks. In this case, it seems a newer version breaks things...
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11:16:08pixelmaat least it shows that there must be a difference that affects rockbox builds
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11:18:36linuxstbI'm currently installing binutils 2.16 myself, just to make sure that the other differences (host OS, host gcc version) don't affect things.
11:18:38mattchew13hey
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11:19:40mattchew13does any body know how to install linux on 30 5.5 genration ipod using windows
11:20:01mattchew13does any body know how to install linux on 30gb 5.5 genration ipod using windows
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11:20:23GodEaterwrong channel
11:20:33mattchew13what channel
11:20:40GodEater#ipodlinux
11:20:46linuxstbmattchew13: 1) Wrong channel; 2) I don't think IPL works on the 5.5g ipod yet.
11:21:18ferrarienzo125yeah it does
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11:21:32linuxstbferrarienzo125: On FAT32 ipods?
11:21:38ferrarienzo125ppl on here are theonly ppl that noe how to do it
11:21:39ferrarienzo125yeah
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11:23:27linuxstbferrarienzo125: Are there install instructions we can point people to who ask?
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11:24:11pixelmalinuxstb: if someone gets all bored he could analyse working/non-working daily builds with regards to the server they've been build and the specific build environments
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11:24:37mattchew13how do i change channels
11:24:46linuxstbpixelma: I'm not that bored... But I'm starting with comparing my builds with hcs's.
11:24:48GodEaterget a real irc client
11:24:59ydomattchew13: /join #channel
11:25:08linuxstbThe rockbox client is only for accessing #rockbox.
11:26:39markunDid Bagder say when he would be back?
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11:27:00linuxstbmarkun: I didn't know he left...
11:27:47markunamiconn: Yes, I noticed I broke the gigabeat sim. Will fix it after the rest of the code has been merged.
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11:28:34Montana89if apple release the newest firmware (1.2.1) its stupid cause it dosent stop anything
11:29:13GodEatermore nonsensical rambling to endure. Marvellous.
11:30:10linuxstbMontana89: What are you talking about?
11:31:39Montana89y did apple make 1.2.1 theres no point...are they trying to stop addinf firmwares like rockbox and ipl cuz they did fuck all
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11:35:21Montana89how do i use gamboy emulators on rockbox??? some guy said it works is this true?
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11:39:58Montana89and how do i install ipl ON MY 5.5G ipod
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11:40:28tychverMontana89: Checked the forums?
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11:46:13linuxstbMontana89: To install Rockbox on your 5.5g (and to see what else it can do), read the manual - http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html
11:46:22linuxstbTo install IPL, visit www.ipodlinux.org
11:46:30Montana89tychver: yep ive checked everywhere
11:46:47Montana89i have rockbox on my pod its awesome by the way
11:47:01Montana89but im not sure about ipl
11:47:45linuxstbThis isn't the place to ask about ipl.
11:48:08Montana89what is the place ipl.org sucks it has no forumsor nothing!
11:48:31linuxstbThe forums are at http://ipodlinux.org/forums/
11:49:00Montana89ok thanks linuxstb
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11:54:46Montana89nope nothing on the 5.5g for now so i can giv it a rest
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12:06:27ydohmm.. isn't there a newer plugin-api somewhere? do I have to read the source?
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12:20:49ydois it possible to write a plugin i C++ instead?
12:21:41linuxstbI guess you could in theory, but you would have to work out how yourself - no-one has done it before.
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12:46:39asheshello
12:48:16ashesthe Makefile has '-m5206e -Wa,-m5249'. this doesn't work with the latest binutils. im wondering if i should use '-march=5206e -mtune=5249', or '-march=5249'
12:49:11ashesthat doesn't work
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12:51:40ashes'-m5206e -Wa,-m5206e' ?
12:51:54ashesthat doesn't work either
12:58:16ydowhen compiling minimal plugin code with g++: cc1plus: warning: command line option "-Wno-pointer-sign" is valid for C/ObjC but not for C++
12:58:20ydofailed to load /.rockbox/rocks/yedit.rock
12:58:22ydodlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks/yedit.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks/yedit.rock: undefined symbol: __gxx_personality_v0
12:58:25ydowhen trying to open it
12:58:45ydoso I guess I'm stuck with C
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13:06:13nls_webashes: amiconn was talking about that when he tried to build coldfire with gcc>4.0 there is some problem with passing the target architecture to the assembler because gcc doesnt know m5249 and assembling with m5206 doesn't work.
13:06:52nls_webdoes anyone have an opinion on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5049 I quite like it.
13:09:04nls_webshould fs#6170 be closed? this was implemented in another way, no?
13:11:07linuxstbnls_web: FS #5049 was discussed in IRC a while ago. I think the concensus was that the idea was liked, but it should be extended to give Rockbox a "root menu" that is displayed, and the startup screen is then a default selection in that root menu.
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13:12:31webguest02Hi. I wanted to try the actual Senab built but it seems to be down. Could anyone send it to me?
13:14:06nls_weblinuxstb: like a menu with file browser, menu, recording, radio, etc?
13:14:47*nls_web guesse that will face some resitance by some of the old-timers here ;-)
13:15:15linuxstbThe old-timers were part of the discussion...
13:15:30linuxstbIf you check IRC from around the time of that patch, you may find the discussion.
13:15:58nls_webok, thanks
13:16:20nls_webwebguest02, from the senab thread "I'm going to perfect the build today then release it tonight."
13:17:07*linuxstb looks forward to a "perfect" build...
13:18:06nls_web:-D
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13:20:46dproanyone of you guys here @23c3 in berlin ?
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13:30:23markundpro: I would have liked to be at the 23c3
13:30:34markunbut now I will just listen to the lectures online
13:31:05dpromarkun: yeah I'm too busy to watch most things for all the social things going on here ;)
13:38:05KingLeveldoes iPod games works on RockBox?
13:38:11markunno
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13:38:20linuxstbRockbox games work on the ipod...
13:38:58KingLevelaa! for real!? :-D hah
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13:41:59markunanyone here who can add a gigabeat installation section to the forums?
13:45:22linuxstbProbably just Llorean when he wakes up...
13:46:05linuxstbBut maybe it's worth waiting until the daily/cvs builds are added?
13:46:19markunyes, that too
13:46:20linuxstbAlso, is everything else in place? i.e. bootloader binaries and install instructions?
13:46:59markunno
13:47:02linuxstbBagder (or LinusN/Zagor) will need to put the bootloaders on download.rockbox.org, but I guess you could host them elsewhere temporarily...
13:47:32markunI will have to wait for Bagder anyway to add rockbox do the dailies
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13:50:55dproa little off topic - but a friend gave me her bricked ipod last night and it does only occasionally show up as a disk and when linux tries to access it it goes into the apple maintainance screen ... any ideas what to try ? (or how to open the damn thing non-destructively) ?
13:52:26linuxstbNo, I've never managed to open an ipod...
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13:53:18linuxstbAll the guides I've seen refer to a special plastic tool. But others have suggested a guitar-pick will do just as well. But I have neither.
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13:54:09dproplay & select should make emergency disk mode right ?
13:56:22dprohmmm it works till : localhost kernel: sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb
13:56:33dproand dies after: localhost kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete
13:56:50dproseems like a broken disk
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14:25:23dprowhat would the emergency disk mode _look_ like on the screen ?
14:26:03linuxstbA grey screen with "Do not disconnect" at the bottom.
14:26:37linuxstbWhat kind of ipod is it?
14:27:10dprostill greyscale but clickwheel
14:27:34linuxstbThat sounds like a 4G then.
14:27:57linuxstbAssuming it's not a mini.
14:27:58dproah so it's the only mode I now as a linux & rockbox user (never booted apple's fw again ;)
14:28:01dpronono
14:28:11dproit'S a 20gb
14:29:59dproah damnit ... I'll put it in the freezer overnight and just recompiled usb-storage.ko with CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG=y ... let's see if that will tell me more ...
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14:47:04ydoI get a segmentation fault using strtok_r:
14:47:05ydo50 **end = '\0'; /* zero terminate it! */
14:47:15ydo(gdb) p *end
14:47:15ydo$20 = 0xb2bb3bcf " annan annorlunda banan"
14:47:18ydowhy is that?
14:51:04ydoif I strdup the string before using strtok_r its alright.. why can't I write to the memory?
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15:01:27Slasheriyou should also see the mention in the manual: "Never use these functions."
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15:01:50daurnimatorhey linuxstb
15:01:55daurnimatorjust playing with my new camera
15:02:03daurnimatorand made a vid of my gmini
15:02:37daurnimatorshite
15:02:42daurnimatorjust went to upload
15:02:47daurnimatorand its 65mb :S
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15:03:06thegeeksome cameras encode in a very space-inefficient codec
15:03:31thegeekencode with*
15:04:13ydoSlasheri: where can I read that?
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15:04:58Slasheriydo: are you coding with linux? Just man strtok_r
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15:06:17ydoSlasheri: ah.. yes
15:07:06bianconeriHello everybody. This is my first crack on rockbox and been trying to install it on my 4th gen grayscale ipod....when trying to backup firmware, I get this "ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting"
15:07:37bianconeriYet I am sure its an ipod...btw I am on Ubuntu :)
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15:08:56thegeekthe 80gb thread on the forum needs some wrath
15:09:00daurnimatorheh
15:09:17daurnimatorthe only piece of video encoding software i have that i can get to work is premiere
15:09:19daurnimator:S
15:09:32GodEaterwrath ?
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15:14:47thegeekGodEater: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.msg61647#msg61647
15:15:27GodEaterah yes - Llorean needs his big boots on for that one
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15:29:13markunlinuxstb: is it ok if we assume the yuv code always rotate on portaid screen?
15:33:39ydois FONT_UI set at compiletime?!
15:35:12daurnimatorlinuxstb: you still there?
15:36:29daurnimatormarkun: pic of official gmini WPS screen: daurnimator/RZUgzO8gSYI/AAAAAAAAABM/iB1PA_gK96Y/RIMG0022.JPG?imgmax=144">http://lh6.google.com.au/image/daurnimator/RZUgzO8gSYI/AAAAAAAAABM/iB1PA_gK96Y/RIMG0022.JPG?imgmax=144
15:37:33markundaurnimator: what about it?
15:37:54daurnimatorjust playing with my camera
15:37:55daurnimator:P
15:38:00daurnimatori like it
15:38:11daurnimatorthe gmini interface is really good
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16:10:33markunLear: noticed that as well
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16:27:06daurnimatorlinuxstb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS6tE1eAVnI
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16:35:37daurnimatoranyone got some St. Germain? i can't find it on CD anywhere
16:35:46daurnimatoror apollo 440
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16:52:20g0nhi there
16:52:27Tam_hi
16:53:16g0ncan someone tell me the major changes in the latest RockBox versions ? do rockbox compatible to video files ?
16:53:38dionoeanot really
16:53:53dionoeait can do mpeg2 raw video (without audio) playback on some players
16:53:58Tam_anyone got some info on the "rockbox on ipod nano 2nd gen" problem?
16:54:11dionoeabut that's more a proof of concept than a real videoplayer
16:54:28Tam_I wonder if it's still being worked on the firmware decryption or if it has been dropped
16:54:49SoapTam_: it is being worked on by some.
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16:55:50Nico_PTam_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
16:55:53Tam_Soap: how far is development yet, whom can I talk to or where can I get more information? (searched the web for hours already)
16:55:56Tam_ah
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16:56:13Tam_thx *looking up*
16:57:46Tam_Nico_P: no info there
16:58:29Nico_PTam_: oh, sory, I thought you wre the person asking for the major changes
16:59:02Tam_%) np
16:59:06Nico_Pg0n: the link above was for you
16:59:25SoapI don't know what to say, Tam_, work on derypting the firmware is in very very early stages.
16:59:58Nico_PTam_: have you looked at the forum thread on the nano 2G ? (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0)
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17:00:02Tam_yeah
17:02:34g0n thank u guys ;9 happy new years eve ;D bya
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17:03:09Tam_I really wonder why this encrypting is neccessary at all...
17:04:52Tam_well then in case it takes some time I'd like to know if the default firmware allow to simple use the ipod as usb mass-storage device, or if it depends on itunes/amarok/gtkpod
17:05:01Tam_+s
17:06:15Tam_and if decoding of "normal" mp3s works, cos I read something about special encoding - since I'm not an ipod user already, I wonder if this is internet trash or the truth.
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17:10:14Galoisthe original firmware allows usb mass storage, but it can't play music files that you upload via usb mass storage
17:10:21Galoisyou can only use usb mass storage for data
17:10:43Galoisnormal mp3s do work, as long as you upload via itunes/gtkpod/whatever
17:11:25Tam_thanks
17:11:35Tam_sounds messy
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17:12:26Tam_fetch mp3s from a friend, copy them back to my desktop pc and then use gtkpod to copy them back
17:12:38Tam_... my brain hurts
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17:14:28Galoisyou can upload mp3s to the ipod with usb mass storage, just like any other data
17:14:41Galoisthen take it home and re-up the mp3s via itunes
17:15:01Tam_that's what I meant
17:15:09Tam_I just don't get the reason for this
17:15:19Tam_same device after all
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17:16:41Galoisapple wants you to access music via the database of artists and albums, and unlike rockbox, they're too lazy to write code to have the ipod itself maintain the database, so it has to go through the itunes database on the host PC
17:18:23Tam_aah
17:18:43Tam_now it makes sense
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17:20:23Tam_have you from rockbox heard of the "meizu m6" player or layed hands on one yet? I wonder if it could be a nano replacement.
17:20:52markunTam_: I've heard of it. It uses the same CPU as the iriver Clix
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17:28:49Mouser_XJust wondering, but has anyone looked into getting Rockbox running on the Zune?
17:29:03Mouser_XI figure it'll be a ways off, sure, but I was wondering.
17:29:25maquispeople actually bought the zune?
17:29:25*maquis hides
17:29:38TheCollectoryeah, I think like 5 did
17:29:44markunMouser_X: the Gigabeat S is very similar to the Zune
17:29:45Mouser_XI know someone who got it for Christmas.
17:29:55markunand people in #gigabeat have been looking into hacking it
17:30:01Mouser_XAh. I wouldn't know.
17:31:11puetzkactually, the webpage actually show a commit for gigabeat "including working bootloader and rockbox with audio" today
17:31:26puetzkI don't have one but that sounds like more than looking into it :-)
17:31:26markunpuetzk: that's for the gigabeat F and X
17:31:30puetzkah
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17:34:40*puetzk goes back to figuring out why some of tracks show accents fine and some not
17:34:53puetzkI must have mixed charsets, but it's weird that they all work in amarok
17:37:31Soap-/clear
17:37:31Soapoop
17:41:25*Genre9mp3 wonders why someone wants to clear backlogs on an IRC client ;)
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17:42:45Soapbecause I have read them, can get them from my .log file if I need to reference them again, and it makes it easier to scroll back to where I last was upon my return in a few hours.
17:43:14Soapnow I need to do it again ;)
17:43:56bianconeriHello everybody. This is my first crack on rockbox and been trying to install it on my 4th gen grayscale ipod....when trying to backup firmware, I get this "ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting"
17:43:59bianconeriYet I am sure its an ipod...btw I am on Ubuntu :)
17:44:25puetzkwhat device node are you using?
17:44:46bianconeri/dev/sdf2
17:44:58puetzkdrop the partition - just use sdf
17:45:17puetzkIt actually wants the boot block and first (firmware) partition
17:45:53bianconeriOk ill try that...I don't have my pod now...its in the car:S....see what will happen....thanx puetzk
17:46:11puetzkmade the same mistake on my dad's last night anyway
17:46:22puetzkor you could use −−scan like the instructions say :-)
17:46:41bianconerisure! thanx a mil
17:47:21puetzkdoes rockbox support any way to group compilation albums under a "Various Artists" category so they don't end up scattered across a ton of entries when using the database?
17:47:52Soappuetzk: I assume you mean in the "Database" view.
17:47:55puetzkyes
17:48:11Soappuetzk: and no, currently The "Album Artist" tag is not currently supported.
17:48:15puetzkIdeally automagically like amarok does (noticing multiple artists on the album), but I can add tags if I knew what to add
17:48:16Soapsomeone in the forums had a workaround.
17:48:42SeedyA friend of mine reports their H320 gets stuck with MP3/MPC playback with the CVS build from December 26.. should I switch to the latest official release or won't it matter and it's a hardware problem?
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17:49:44Soappuetzk: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7367.0
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17:52:03puetzkSoap, ooh, and a patch to fix disknumber too. Nice.
17:52:16puetzkyeah, I guess I can live with abusing the composer field on these
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18:01:31PaulPositionAnyone has any ida what sort of server Daniel/Badger is running? Apache/php, I know, but stuff like PEAR or gdlib or some such..? I might take a few days and (try, I'm a noob) build a 'submit your .cfg file' kind of stats/poll like someone suggested a week ago, but I wouldn't have any space to host.
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18:04:14Mouser_XHowdy BHSPitMonkey.
18:04:39Genre9mp3PaulPosition: To see the most widely used settings?
18:05:07PaulPositionGenremp3 - Yeah, something like a possible basis for good defaults.. Anyone started up something already?
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18:05:33Genre9mp3PaulPosition: AFAIK no, but it sounds interesting idea
18:05:55Genre9mp3PaulPosition: Sorry but I can't answer to your previous question though
18:06:24PaulPositionShould be plenty easy and doesn't need to be beautfiul so I guess I'll start coding without fancy things like PEAR and graphics and see later to add whatever's necessary. Thanks anyway :)
18:07:08Genre9mp3It would be interesting to know how many users actually use features such us, crossfeed, crossfade etc.
18:07:25PaulPositionExactly.
18:07:35Mouser_XI never use crossfade.
18:07:52Mouser_XAnd, I don't know what crossfeed is, even.
18:07:59markunI use it all the time
18:08:38Genre9mp3Mouser_X: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch6.html#x9-890006.7
18:08:39PaulPositionI do wonder if I'll store the unofficial, patched builds, settings too.. Like the crossfade on Shuffle+skip..
18:09:19Genre9mp3markun: Congrarts about the Gigabeat sync to CVS :)
18:09:22PaulPositionCrossfeed plus a slightly tighter stereo width is great.. :D
18:09:30markunGenre9mp3: thanks :)
18:09:46markunIt's a bit late for a "Gentlemen.." mail now
18:10:13Genre9mp3I suppose... but at least we have to add something in the frontpage in the news section
18:11:03puetzkMouser_X, crossfeed blends an attenuated, slightly delayed version of each stereo channel into the other. It's meant to reduce the exaggerated stereo one gets playing loudspeaker recordings (nearly all recordings) via headphones
18:11:09markunyes, but mister frontpage isn't here..
18:11:15Genre9mp3hehe
18:11:17puetzkit's probably the main reason I rockboxed this player :-)
18:11:33puetzkwell, that and everything else rockbox does that's awesome :-)
18:12:05Mouser_XThat sounds pretty neat, actually.
18:12:16Mouser_XI'd probably use that.
18:12:22tehsmohmm ../me tries it
18:12:37puetzkit's subtle, but at least for me it makes headphones a lot less fatiguing
18:12:59puetzkwhen you're listening to loudspeakers it happens naturally, because your left ear does hear some of the right channel (and vice versa)
18:13:21PaulPositionI sometimes disable crossfeed, when I want my trippy music to be that little bit more 'out of this world'.. Else it's on all the time.
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18:19:53markunPaulPosition: sometimes I try without crossfeed but I really don't like it anymore
18:20:35puetzkI pretty much only turn it off if using line out to drive loudspeakers. In which case it isn't appropriate, because it's a headphone thing
18:20:46bluebrotherwho did the shutdown on low battery thing? pondlife?
18:21:41tehsmohmm. .nice effect
18:21:55tehsmoI like that rockbox lets you turn it off and on while music is playing; makes it really easy to tell the difference
18:24:21BHSPitMonkeyhey Mouser_X
18:27:31SoapMouser_X: crossfeed is the bee's knees.
18:27:48puetzkit truly is one of rockboxes killer features
18:28:19puetzkhigh-end headphone amps all do it, and I've never understood why it isn't universal on DAPs
18:28:24Mouser_XI'll take your word on it. When I have a portable player that runs Rockbox, I'll try it out, that's for sure.
18:28:35puetzkit's not exactly a hard DSP effect :-)
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18:28:54tehsmohmm..perhaps crossfeed should be advertised more heavily
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18:29:12tehsmolike, make an mp3 file of something crossfed, then not crossfed, etc. switch back and forth
18:29:36topblokewhat is crossfeed?
18:29:36tehsmothen people could try it out easily
18:29:54puetzkit would be an easy "ad" since you could indeed make a file that had it pre-done, and cutting in and out
18:30:01tehsmotopbloke: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch6.html#x9-890006.7
18:30:12tehsmoyeah. and then link to it from the feature comparison
18:30:14puetzkand people could hear it with whatever player they already have
18:31:17puetzktopbloke, it's an effect reproducing the way your left ear hears the right channel(and vice versa) to compensate for the exagerated stereo that headphones otherwise produce
18:31:35topblokei see
18:31:41puetzksince with loudspeakers they blend in the room (and through the bones of your head) and with headphones they don't
18:32:10puetzkand almost all recordings are mastered for loundspeakers; binaural recordings are very rare
18:32:12PaulPositionBut it's subtle, I myself have a hard time hearing it on some discs.. It's only I feel it's much less tiring, like music *stays* good for along listen...
18:32:31topblokei thought it was like one song fades out and the other fades in and they both play at the same time for a bit
18:32:35topblokedoes rockbox have that?
18:32:46Mouser_XThat's crossfade, and yes.
18:32:46puetzktopbloke, that's crossfade (unfortunately similar names)
18:32:48PaulPositiontopbloke - You're thinking crossfAde
18:32:49topblokeoh thats crossFADE
18:32:54topblokeoops
18:33:24tehsmoPaulPosition: it is subtle. fairly noticeable if you switch back and forth, though, when listening to this live flogging molly recording
18:33:48*tehsmo hasn't tried it on other stuff yet
18:33:55PaulPositionEheh.. True enough, it depends a lot on what particular piece of music you're listening to :o
18:34:00topblokeso rockbox can do what i wanted? where do you enable it?
18:34:00puetzkyes, much more noticable with very bright instruments and heavy stero placement
18:34:31puetzkGeneral Settings>Playback>Crossfade
18:34:32PaulPositionDark Side of the Moon is much more immersive.
18:34:42PaulPosition(with xfeed)
18:34:58puetzkwell, that is sort of the standard album for testing sound setup :-)
18:35:27puetzkit's perfect, so all flaws are your own :-P
18:35:41topblokethat is so sweet
18:36:15PaulPositionhehehe
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18:37:07tehsmolol
18:37:15tehsmohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headphones - I love the first picture
18:37:30Juice^hehe
18:37:36PaulPosition?!?
18:37:40topblokelol
18:37:43puetzkhttp://www.ohl.to/audio-tools-and-thoughts/audio-softwares-and-vst-plugins/crossfeed-and-eq-for-headphones/
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18:38:54puetzknever used this one, but it describes the idea pretty well
18:40:44PaulPositionpuetz - Woah, nice link you've got there.. I have very shitty headphones but I might as well try to fine tune whatever I could get out of 'em anyway.. :D
18:41:19puetzkheh
18:42:04puetzkI'm pretty happy with my Grado SR60's, though I need to find something decent&smaller for when I'm actually using it as a portable
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18:44:46maxkelleyPepperoooni.
18:45:51jaczehackhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP0bP3jFAY&mode=related&search=
18:46:03puetzkFWIW, rockbox's crossfeed is hardcoded to 13 samples if you're trying to use that to calibrate the other settings
18:46:28jaczehacklotsa cheeezey
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19:08:35*GodEater wonders if any of the talented people that do WPS screens for Rockbox could be put to work redesigning the Wiki's layout
19:09:21GodEatermaybe we could have a design competition like they did over at slashdot
19:09:45GodEaterwithin a similar set of constraints - like, stick to the current logo and colour scheme
19:10:08GodEaterbut see if the information can be presented better / tidier / more intuitively
19:10:51GodEaterI guess that depends on other peoples opinions of the wiki though - I personally don't rate it =/
19:15:26LloreanWell, the main problem with the wiki's presentation is that it's entirely user created
19:15:35LloreanIf you look, many pages lay out their contained information in very different ways.
19:18:04thegeekto be honest
19:18:08thegeekthe wiki is not that great
19:18:11thegeeklots of good info
19:18:14thegeekbut can be hard to access
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19:19:34LloreanWhy not try to improve it then?
19:19:38LloreanA more readable index or something?
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19:21:39Mouser_XHowdy.
19:22:04Davide-NYCI have a question about the statte fo the H3x0 bootloader
19:22:27Mouser_XWhich I don't have a matching answer for, sorry.
19:22:46Davide-NYCIt seemes to be very stable yet missing a couple of key features and with all of this iPod development I'm worried it will get "swept under the rug" so to speak.
19:23:14Davide-NYCSo here goes the neg: When will the charging circuit be handled by the RB BL on the H3x0?
19:23:34Davide-NYCWho is the primary developer (to email and offer testing) responsible for it?
19:23:35Genre9mp3Davide-NYC: When LinusN finds some time most probably
19:24:02Davide-NYCI have had good luck trading man hours testing for developer priority
19:24:14LloreanDavide-NYC: The people working on all the iPod stuff aren't the people who'd do that job anyway, so it's kinda impossible for it to be swept under the rug because of iPod development. They're non-overlapping.
19:24:30gopphey some one got linux
19:24:31goppthe operating system up and running on Microsoft's Zune, especially given the fact that the player's Freescale iMX31L processor can already handle the OS. Well, according to one fearless warranty-voiding individual, that prospect is now at least one step closer to reality. In a post on ZuneBoards, "Mys Videl" claims that he's managed to get Linux on Zune "partway working," currently only able to be booted while synced and with limited capabili
19:24:33Davide-NYCAh, mutually exclusive
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19:24:47goppso they got linux on a zune
19:24:51gopphow about rockbox
19:25:05Davide-NYCflash forward 12 months
19:25:10LloreanDavide-NYC: And bootloader testing really isn't something someone can volunteer to do. A failed bootloader is a dead player unless you have special hardware for recovering it on the Hxxx series, which is why very very few people work on it, and the releases are few and carefully developed
19:25:19Genre9mp3I don't think that it is wise to have testers for the bootloader... one skilled developer with a BDM wiggler (aka. LinusN) is more than enough ;)
19:25:50Davide-NYCOK. Where do I send flower (or beer) and an urging letter to?
19:25:53Lloreangopp: Rockobx on Zune depends primarily on people who own Zunes doing it. If you have a Zune, feel free to start working.
19:26:20LloreanDavide-NYC: Just have patience. A new version is planned, but it's entirely dependent upon when time is available for it to be worked on. An urging letter doesn't make real life go away.
19:26:31Genre9mp3Davide-NYC: guess.... LinusN :P
19:27:02Davide-NYCGenre9mp3: It was a rhetorical statement
19:27:10goppLlorean will it be easy to boot
19:27:28Lloreangopp: How can I answer that? It doesn't exist yet.
19:27:36Davide-NYCI will be aptient. Actually I am sort of just littering the channel "for the record" ;_0
19:27:43Davide-NYC*patient
19:27:48Genre9mp3gopp: Where did you learn that they have linux on Zune?
19:28:35Mouser_XSounds like the Zune forums.
19:28:48Davide-NYCI am reading on the recent CVS activity that the Toshiba has audio. Is this correct?
19:28:52Mouser_X"In a post on ZuneBoards"
19:29:02Genre9mp3Well, it sounds to me like a hoax to tell you the truth
19:29:06goppGenre9mp3 http://www.zuneboards.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,28/topic,1438.0
19:29:31goppbut thier no pictures
19:29:48goppone question does zune wifi support internet radio
19:30:07goppit lame to have wifi which uses up battery if not internet radio
19:30:23Genre9mp3"I've been working on it for quite awhile and has a lot of bugs to work out and a lot of features to work out"... I can be wrong but it _sounds_ like a hoax indeed!
19:31:03goppcould be
19:31:03GodEaterLlorean, I think the main gripe I have about the wiki isn't really the deep content - I'm more than happy to accept that people have their own writing styles - but I'm not a fan of the page you get to from the "Wiki" link in the left hand navigation bar - nor the Index
19:31:07goppunless I se some picture
19:31:15Genre9mp3gopp: It can support everything a wi-fi can support... if you ask in the retailOS, the the answer is... 3days/3times track sharing
19:31:15GodEaterand I'm not sure what there is that *can* be done about it
19:31:28GodEaterTWiki seems to lend itself to very linear pages that read like lists
19:31:49goppGenre9mp3 I know it can support whawt ever wifi, I mean in retail form
19:31:50GodEaterand I think it would look nicer if the information was laid out _across_ the pages, as well as down them
19:32:17Genre9mp3gopp: 3days/3times track sharing
19:32:23GodEaterhowever - I'm honest enough to admit - I'm not web designer / UI specialist - so while I can point at it and go - I don't like it much - I'm not sure I could do much better
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19:33:46gopphttp://www.zune-online.com/news/zune/take-the-first-step-linux-on-zune.html
19:34:05Genre9mp3gopp: If this is true (about linux on zune) then the guy must have cracked the encryption of the firmware, the hash and verification of the firmware mechanisms and all other security features that the i.MX31 has... I cannot see anywhere any details
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19:34:12GodEaterhowever - I have these observations to make :)
19:34:25GodEaterthe very front page on www.rockbox.org is very developer centric
19:34:27Genre9mp3gopp: I have already that article
19:34:34Genre9mp3+read
19:34:51GodEatera lot of our users (bless them) are lazy morons who can't be bothered to dig deeply into the site to find their installation instructions
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19:35:47GodEaterso *I'd* start by creating a front page with big icons leading to the install info for each target on it - perhaps initially just by vendor, then by model to make it not too cluttered
19:36:19GodEaterso have a big "iPod" image that leads to a wiki page with links to the install guide, the manual, and the files for the target
19:36:32GodEaterwhat do you think ?
19:36:40spugwell, there's no stable release for ipod yet
19:36:42LloreanGodEater: Considering that the project only really moves forward by having more active developers, wouldn't it be better to just leave it developer centric, as opposed to adding clutter for developers so that it's easier for 'users'?
19:37:09GodEaterLlorean, depends how quickly you're going to go mad with users showing up here asking for install guides, or doing the same in the forums ?
19:37:31LloreanI mean, I know it sounds callous, and I doubt many people agree with me, but 'users' as it were, the type who don't even post bug reports, aren't really contributive. What's the benefit of making things easier for them at the cost of those who get stuff done?
19:37:44GodEaterI think the developers who are interested enough in the project are generally going to be bright enough to follow another link from the page to find out what's going on with the project
19:37:50GodEateror to *gasp* have a bookmark to the right bit of the site ?
19:37:57LloreanI think, maybe making a larger, clearer link called "GETTING STARTED" or something perhaps
19:38:05spugonly the archos has a stable release, the other releases should probably mostly have developer-centric info so they can get stable quicker
19:38:11LloreanBut big, graphical, gooey stuff with pictures of various targets on the front page is way too much.
19:38:38maquisi'm going to side with Llorean... when a project is still at this page, you want to attract mainly devs and people who are at least able to find some of the information on their own
19:38:44LloreanAs it is, spug has a point, there's no official release for anything but the Archos targets.
19:38:59GodEaterLlorean, fair enough - you've way more history with the project than me - but I think it would increase the signal to noise ratio in the forums AND this channel
19:39:14*maquis says this as a person who keeps trying to find time to start looking into some bug-catching
19:39:24GodEatermaquis, the way I see it we don't do that - we atract a lot of clueless newbies
19:39:29GodEaterand we waste a lot of time on them
19:39:39LloreanGodEater: The problem is that when you make the site more user-centric, you give people the expectation that they're using finished (or user-ready) software, when we haven't released on anything but Archos. At the point that even the iRiver ports are released, there ought to be a graphical installer for them anyway.
19:39:59maquisGodEater: what's attracting the clueless newbs?
19:40:09GodEatergoogle ?
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19:40:18GodEaterI've no idea where they come from to be honest
19:40:27LloreanWhile time is wasted on them now, if we make it seem like the software is ready for mainstream, I think more time will be wasted because people will have an expectation of a polished experience for install and use, and be around more asking why there isn't one.
19:40:39LloreanMy fear is that a more userly site might actually result in *less* documentation reading.
19:41:06maquisGodEater: maybe we need to have a bigger thing on the front page that says "if you are looking for something that is click-and-go, don't come here"
19:41:11GodEaterI guess that's a possibilty
19:41:11maquis(a bit better-worded
19:41:14maquis)
19:41:14tehsmothat could hurt rockbox's reputation as well, if people's expectations aren't lived up to
19:41:34tehsmo(responding to llorean there)
19:41:48GodEaterI'm not sure having anything like that would help - we get enough people who click through the forums agreements and then completely ignore it
19:41:54maquisif you want it to be point-and-click, drag-and-drop, etc., come back later because we're not to that point yet
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19:42:25maquisGodEater: sure... but then we can point all those people who come here back to that statement...
19:42:58*GodEater lacks patience and gets fed up with that approach :)
19:43:20maquis(i've asked my share of stupid questions, i'm sure... but i do check the documentation first, and if it's something i missed in the documentation, i end up feeling really stupid and leave with my tail between my legs...
19:46:09spugif i find a small error in the manual, should i open an FS bug report?
19:46:17LloreanGodEater: I just suspect that if the page moves from looking like a Development Project to a Software Product, people will change their expectations.
19:46:30Lloreanspug: Yes, unless one of the manual writers responds to you here.
19:46:40spugokay, thanks
19:47:15PaulPosition(spug: That may have been an invitation to share the error...)
19:47:16LloreanNah
19:47:28PaulPositionoh.
19:47:37LloreanWhile I could probably update the manual, the most I'd be able to do would be to post a patch to the tracker for someone else to commit, anyway.
19:47:43LloreanI don't actually have commit access.
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19:48:02PaulPositionah, I see. I'm surprised you don't actually. :)
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19:48:32spugLlorean: who are you, anyway? :) i think of you as a person with a lot of influence, but i have no idea what you really are. forum admin?
19:48:58Lloreanspug: #1 fan. :-P
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19:49:44spugawww :D
19:49:52LloreanI just kinda started answering questions in the forums, and trying to get things a little more organized, and eventually ended up a Mod, and then suddenly Admin because it was necessary (I had a few good ideas, and they said "Why don't you go ahead 'n do 'em)
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19:50:14LloreanI am a programmer, but only have maybe ~10 lines of code in Rockbox, all incredibly minor things (keymap tweaks to make a plugin work on a new target, stuff like that)
19:50:28PaulPositionheh.. Cool.
19:50:28PaulPositionbbl
19:50:28spugyeah
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19:50:37spugthat's awesome
19:50:56LloreanI also do a lot of random bug-testing for different people, depending on who's around and what needs to be tested because I've sorta collected several Rockboxable players in each of the major categories.
19:52:28spugi see
19:52:47LloreanAnd I wrote the original IpodFAQ, or half of it.
19:52:56LloreanI just kinda do what I do. A drifter.
19:53:49spugthat's good enough!
19:53:56spugi'd love to be more helpful myself, but i don't know C. i've translated a little, though, and i suppose i could do some documentation stuff (beyond finding a broken link in the manual)
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19:56:22spugi should probably ask someone to give me write access at the wiki, too, so i can fix a couple of small errors i've spotted
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19:57:01Lloreanspug: Wiki policing is always welcome
19:57:16Seedwhich HD models (>40 GB) can an iRiver H3x0 accept?
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20:00:01spugLlorean: ok, great
20:00:29spugi registered as TobiasLanghoff now, so i guess i need to get someone to grant me write access
20:00:50LloreanGimme a moment
20:01:23spugyeah, i haven't activated the account yet
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20:02:57Lloreanspug: Well, you should be able to edit once you activate, as I've added you to the users group (assuming I did it properly, as usually someone else beats me to it)
20:03:28spugheh, okay, thanks
20:04:51spugthere
20:05:07Genre9mp3"The loader to boot a new OS on to your Zune however will not go open source"... quote from the (claimed-to-be) developer who made linux run on Zune
20:06:06Genre9mp3in other "very specific" statements he says: "The way to boot it to the zune right now is very complicated, takes some time, and is risky if you don't know how to do it. I won't be releasing this until there is no risk to Zune users when they use Zune Linux. We are looking for graphics people who are willing to make logos and stuff for Zune Linux"
20:06:19spugsounds hoaxy. and if it's true, the fact that he got it to run probably won't help rockbox in any way unless he releases the source.
20:06:48spugso is it just him, or a team? sometimes he says "I", other times "we"
20:06:48Genre9mp3sounds like a hoax to me, too
20:06:53LloreanThere's a decent chance it's similar to Gigabeat Rockbox anyway
20:07:13LloreanWith probably some exploit in the Zune's OS, like a buffer overflow, allowing the first code to be run.
20:08:17Genre9mp3Llorean: Zune is similar to Gigabeat S
20:09:37Genre9mp3There are some security features of Zune's CPU (and Gigabeat S) that are the main obstacles to run custom code
20:09:57Genre9mp3He doesn't mention anything specific about these things so I bet it's a hoax
20:10:03LloreanI'll be curious to hear what claims they make.
20:10:13LloreanOn an unrelated note, I'm curious how secure this XNA thing is.
20:10:26LloreanI mean, Microsoft basically sold free reign to run your own code on the XBox 360 for $100/year
20:13:13thegeekit's all .net based
20:13:15thegeekno native code
20:13:19LloreanYeah.
20:13:33LloreanBut that doesn't mean too much.
20:13:46SoapI don't see why the wiki debate (as voiced by Llorean and Godeater) has to be an either/or issue. There is no reason GodEater could not create a "NOOBS HERE!" page which would serve as a maintained index for all things noob.
20:14:07spugLlorean: the wiki says you're still editing my user page, so i can't edit it myself
20:14:14spugSoap: wasn't he talking about the main page?
20:14:17thegeekLlorean: actually it does, should be a lot more secure then;P
20:14:27LloreanSoap: Note my suggestion for the front page just having an evident "Getting Started" link, as opposed to letting it undergo major changes.
20:15:05Lloreanthegeek: Yes, but when you're free to do whatever you want anyway, you don't *really* need to crack the host system.
20:15:17Lloreanspug: Lemme just go fix that. Sorry, forgot to hit cancel
20:15:23spugno prob, thanks
20:15:41thegeekLlorean: if you can't run native code you are hardly free
20:15:44thegeek;P
20:15:46thegeekbut oh well
20:15:47Lloreanspug: Try again.
20:16:12Lloreanthegeek: Well, I don't mean true freedom, but to the extent that you can create the kinds of applications most people hacked the XBox classic to run, such as media centers and emulators.
20:16:43spugLlorean: works now, thanks
20:17:23tehsmospeaking of the wiki, can i get write access? I was going to make a page for bookmark use cases, to try to figure out what functionality is needed
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20:26:26bluebrotherany server admin around? I just got this message when trying to commit a fix to the manual:
20:26:29bluebrotherhttp://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/17
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20:51:08bluebrothertehsmo, still need wiki write access?
20:55:10spugdo you need a copy of the cvs tree to be able to use the langstatus script at the bottom of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles ?
20:56:36tehsmobluebrother: yeah. I'm NickSmolinske on the wiki
20:57:04bluebrotherspug, yes (at least parts of the source tree)
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20:58:11spughmm, okay
20:58:31bluebrothertehsmo, done
20:58:37tehsmoawesome, thanks
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21:00:12bluebrotherspug, I think it's sufficient to have an extracted source tarball
21:00:24spugoh, ok
21:00:34bluebrotherin other words, you need the tree but not the "link" to the cvs repository
21:01:20spugall right
21:01:23bluebrotherI just looked in the script itself, so if I got something wrong expect this information to be wrong also ;-)
21:01:27spughehe, okay
21:01:28spugi'll try that
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21:06:14tehsmook, here's the page for bookmark use cases. I'm trying to gather how people want to use bookmarks, so feel free to add to it: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BookmarkUseCases
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21:06:45bluebrothermaybe you want attract some people in the forums also ... it's pretty quiet here tonight
21:07:05tehsmohmm ..might be a good idea
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21:08:54tehsmoany idea which subforum it belongs in? I haven't used the forums much yet
21:10:01bluebrotherhmm. Not exactly sure. Audio Playback or User Interface.
21:10:29bluebrotherto me it's a bit of Playlist but also a bit of UI ...
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21:11:06scorcheplayback
21:12:28tehsmoplayback it is. :)
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21:20:19spugsomeone here who knows a bit about TWiki?
21:20:44spughttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall#iriver_jukeboxes links to the second section named "iriver jukeboxes", not the first - should one of the sections be renamed so the anchor link works?
21:21:30spugi guess this is HTML related, i don't know if two anchors really can have the same name/id
21:28:34bluebrotherI guess this is related to twiki using the same anchor name as the title of that sections are identical
21:28:55bluebrotherone could try simply adding a whitespace at the end of one of those ;-)
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21:55:06ydoanyone know how to use the utf8-functions?
21:56:04goppk if I wanted to port rockbox to zune what do I need to know
21:56:27thegeekyou need information about all the hardware in the zune
21:56:34goppis it easy
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21:57:17bagawkgopp: to be honest, if you do not know where to begin, do not bother
21:57:20thegeekinformation that is very hard to get unless you sign an nda
21:57:27thegeekindeed
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21:57:47thegeekif you dont know what you need you have absolutely no chance at all
21:57:50goppnda ????
21:57:54scorchegopp: see the wiki page NewPort
21:58:17thegeekit would take you several months of concentrated full-time effort just to learn the basics you would need to _understand_ what is needed
21:58:27thegeekgopp: nondisclosure agreement
21:58:44thegeekbasically you sign away the right to talk about it ( so you cant use it for rockbox )
21:58:44goppoh darn
21:59:23thegeekpeople that dont understand what is needed have no idea just how hard/advanced this stuff this
21:59:32thegeekthe rockbox devs are very very very good
21:59:43goppoh I never put much tought
21:59:43thegeeks/this/is
21:59:48goppon how smart the rocbox devs are
21:59:58thegeek;P
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22:00:21goppis thier any other wifi mp3 player
22:00:26goppthat rocbox suppport
22:00:28goppiriver
22:00:54thegeekno
22:01:01thegeekafaik zune is the only player with wifi
22:01:07thegeekand (imho) with good reason
22:01:11thegeekwifi is pretty stupid
22:01:23goppyou mean in terms of battery power
22:01:31thegeekthat is a significan factor yes
22:01:32thegeekbut
22:01:40thegeekI dont want to spend money on wifi
22:02:00thegeekI want money spent on a better amp circuit, better battery
22:02:15thegeekbasically improve what an mp3-player does, not add useless features
22:02:28thegeekexactly why would anyone need wifi ?
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22:04:50goppwell for me get internet radio
22:05:02goppI know the sirius mp3 player has internet
22:06:52*Soap uses streamripper to rip internet radio streams and then syncs them to his player.
22:07:07thegeekah yeah
22:07:09thegeekthat's true gopp
22:07:12thegeekactually
22:07:15Soapunless you need "live" internet radio, that solution works perfectly.
22:07:28thegeeka dedicated player for use in the home
22:07:30thegeekwith wifi
22:07:32thegeekwould work
22:07:40thegeekI want it
22:07:55thegeek;P
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22:10:16topblokeu need wifi to browse the web
22:10:58topblokeduh
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22:12:39webguest20A few days ago I promised to look into reversi. I did it. IMHO it doesn't worth effort to port it to RB. Its artificial intelligence is not very strong so it probably won't make fun playing it. But as an exercise in programming of RB plugins it could be done. I don't know if I'll do it so if anyone is interested...
22:12:59goppwell I had my friends over expensive lifedrive palm pilte
22:13:07gopphe wanted me update it os
22:13:19goppand I took in my car and travled around had live internet radio
22:13:28goppbut while the car was moving it was bad
22:13:47goppsirius has internet radio
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22:15:45goppin thier player but it only sirius
22:15:56goppcontent, so I see no reaso your right
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22:51:36Shadowpillar_who here is involved in the SANSA port?
22:52:06DanManners2*Raises hand* I'm gonna be involved in a bit. My sister just got one, so I'll be willing to help.
22:52:51Shadowpillar_I have a 250r and I'm wondering where the firmware is, and before you bite at me, I'm not planning on putting rockbox on my sansa until I know it works at least 99%
22:52:57dan_a*raises hand* I've written the LCD and disk drivers
22:53:05DanManners2Same
22:53:05DanManners2oh
22:53:05DanManners2same as shadow
22:53:07LloreanShadowpillar_: There is no version for R,
22:53:07DanManners2not dan_a lol
22:53:17BagderShadowpillar_: the R model is not really worked out yet
22:53:31Shadowpillar_and IIRC, I heard that the audiochip that's used on the sansa is a sigmatel clone
22:53:59Shadowpillar_could it be PP5000.dat ?
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22:54:04BagderShadowpillar_: not really
22:54:26Bagderthe "audiochip" is the PP5024
22:54:29dan_aShadowpillar_: IIRC, that's used for the database of ID3 tags
22:54:35Shadowpillar_dan_a: ah
22:54:57Shadowpillar_wonder why the rhapsody is so different from the rest
22:55:03Shadowpillar_prolly purposely locked
22:55:36Bagderwell, we can *probably* still make Rockbox for the R models
22:55:48Bagderjust not run the original firmware in a while
22:56:09Shadowpillar_be cool to play ogg files on the sansa
22:56:28Shadowpillar_and is there a way to make it use SDHC MicroSD?
22:56:46Shadowpillar_because isnt SDHC simply a firmware upgrade to read fat32 instead of fat16?
22:57:21Bagdermicrosd does not imply the file system at all afaik
22:57:25dan_aShadowpillar_: We can't use the MicroSD slot yet. I've got a MicroSD card in the post, though, to do some testing.
22:57:59Shadowpillar_Bagder: didnt say that
22:58:09Bagderwhat did you say?
22:58:40Shadowpillar_I was implying using the newer SDHC microsd cards instead of plain old microsd so stoarge can be upped more than 4gb
22:58:47Shadowpillar_storage*
22:59:21Shadowpillar_and was wondering if a firmware tweak would allow those to be read, unless the sansa already supports them
22:59:22DanManners2Actually coding ROCKbox to mount the MicroSD cards wouldn't be THAT hard, would it? i mean, if I can have someone point me in the right direction once we're at a point where we would be able to actually incorperate it, I'd be willing to take a shot at coding a rockbox on-the-go mount tool or something like that
22:59:40LloreanShadowpillar_: SDHC requires that the host device is capable, and uses sector addressing as opposed to by addressing. Whether the MicroSD slot will be able to read SDHC media pretty much depends on how the slot itself works in the device, I'd imagine.
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23:00:01Shadowpillar_ah k
23:00:11LloreanIt kinda depends on how much is under the control of the Sansa's firmware, and how much is a part of the slot's hardware.
23:00:23Shadowpillar_I thought the only major difference was one used fat32 and one used fat16
23:00:41Bagder"microsd does not imply the file system at all afaik"
23:00:42dan_aDanManners2: Most of the work has been done already (by amiconn, I believe) to support the MMC slot in the Ondio
23:00:54LloreanShadowpillar_: Fat16 and Fat32 are filesystems
23:00:54Shadowpillar_Bagder: again, I wasnt implying that
23:01:03Shadowpillar_yeah I know thid
23:01:06DanManners2Ohhhh, right...Haaa, forgot about the Ondio completely
23:01:07Shadowpillar_thid*
23:01:08Shadowpillar_...
23:01:09Shadowpillar_this
23:01:15Shadowpillar_getting used to a new kb
23:01:20Bagderyou said "I thought the only major difference was one used fat32 and one used fat16"
23:01:37Bagderand I say that's not so
23:01:37DanManners2and I'm guessing that rockbox is never going to support
23:01:37DanManners2say
23:01:39Shadowpillar_the difference between the SD and SDHC standards
23:01:40DanManners2an ext2 formatted sd card for example, correct?
23:01:45Shadowpillar_not SD and microsd
23:01:47DanManners2sorry to inturrupt
23:02:02LloreanDanManners2: Not unless someone creates an ext2 driver for Rockbox.
23:02:02linuxstbBagder: Could you move this file onto download.rockbox.org (there may be more coming, but probably not today...) - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-176x128-310kbps.mpg
23:02:06BagderDanManners2: not likely no, but you can write your own version that does :-)
23:02:27Shadowpillar_I know they're merely different form factors for the cards
23:02:27LloreanShadowpillar_: And what Bagder was saying is that SD cards, or MicroSD, or any of the formats, don't actually require a specific filesystem as far as he's aware.
23:02:28DanManners2Bagder: I might take a swing at that
23:02:44DanManners2I'll look it up
23:02:49Lloreanlinuxstb: Is that playable on some new plugin iteration floating around?
23:02:57linuxstbIt will be soon...
23:03:02LloreanNifty
23:03:12Bagderit is even so that FAT is rather bad choice for flash devices
23:03:22Shadowpillar_and if reading SD or SDHC cards is a firmware deal, hey, rockbox might breathe new life into "old" sansas
23:03:26linuxstbLlorean: I did the Nano file first, as i know you're always keen to test...
23:03:49BagderShadowpillar_: and the sansas have microsd and there are no bigger than 2gb ones available atm ;-)
23:03:59Lloreanlinuxstb: Hehehe. I'm keen to test anything. I like to feel that I'm useful. Heh.
23:05:58DanManners2Oh, Llorean, I've been meaning to ask you for you approval on the thread I made, and again, sorry to inturrupt the conversation
23:06:15Bagdersdhc seems to be for SD, and not microsd
23:06:17LloreanDanManners2: If I hadn't approved it, it would've been locked two days ago, I think. :-P
23:06:23Shadowpillar_Bagder: talking about the future
23:06:29DanManners2Alright :-) thanks
23:06:55Bagderlinuxstb: done!
23:07:13linuxstbThanks.
23:08:13linuxstbHas anyone implemented the lcd_yuv_blit() function for the Sansa yet?
23:08:27Shadowpillar_I thought all microsd was, was a different form factor for the SD standard
23:10:43Bagdernot exactly, as they don't have the same amount of pins
23:10:43Bagderbut I'm not an expert on this
23:11:51dan_alinuxstb: Not yet
23:12:27linuxstbdan_a: You may want to look at the gigabeat version. They've implemented a version that rotates the video.
23:12:54Bagderoh, nice
23:13:04linuxstbmarkun has suggested that mpegplayer always rotates video on portrait screens.
23:13:04LloreanThat'll be useful for the Sansa
23:13:11*Llorean agrees with that suggestion.
23:13:13dan_alinuxstb: Will do. Perhaps I can steal some other functions too
23:13:33markunhi Bagder!
23:13:39Bagderhey ho
23:13:49Bagdernice to see all that gigabeat entering cvs
23:13:49linuxstbAnd not surprisingly, the gigabeat can play 24fps video with sound...
23:13:51markuncan you add the gigabeat to the builds?
23:14:02Bagderwill do!
23:14:11Bagderdid you fix the sim build?
23:14:19markunno, not yet
23:14:55markunShall I give you a bootloader to put on download.rockbox.org?
23:14:58Shadowpillar_Bagder: but hey, like I said, if with the sansa, if it's firmware controlled (just like with almost EVERYTHING on it) it could be possible to support microSD cards that exceed 4GB in the future
23:15:04Bagdermarkun: sure!
23:15:29*dan_a applauds the Gigabeat team
23:15:49LloreanShadowpillar_: If the only differences between standard and high density lie in things that Rockbox can change, then yet it is possible. If not, then it isn't. There's no way to predict until more is known.
23:16:42scorcheBagder: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/7784/gigabeatkf2.png
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23:17:26tychverwhat's the hardware in the gigabeat?
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23:18:00linuxstbA 300MHz ARM.
23:18:12tychverah right
23:18:27linuxstbARM9something IIRC.
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23:19:08fasmaiehello
23:19:24Shadowpillar_reading something that says microSD is compatible with anything that can read SD
23:19:26fasmaieAnyone here who has used Rockbox on the gigabeat?
23:20:14LloreanShadowpillar_: Look, it's irrelevant. Nothing further can be said until a lot more is known, and until MicroSDHC even exists.
23:20:39Shadowpillar_I just think it'd be something interesting to keep in mind for the future
23:20:57Bagdermarkun: its now added and is supposed to become available for download after builds too
23:21:07LloreanShadowpillar_: And it definitely is, but there's not much to discuss about it.
23:21:21LloreanNow we need a Gigabeat manual
23:21:28Bagderits there already
23:22:20Bagderbtw, we're planning a server upgrade, due to happen within a few weeks or so
23:22:31Bagderthe server is running on one CPU only atm
23:22:35LloreanI noticed.
23:22:52LloreanWell, I saw mention of it, and noticed performance issues wandering the site
23:23:04fasmaieI guess the gigabeat port must be close to being available, then
23:23:07Bagderyes, it has an average load at over 8 or so
23:23:31linuxstbLatest mpegplayer patch if anyone is interested is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpegplayer-audio-pp-v2.diff
23:23:44Bagderfasmaie: it'll be provided in daily and cvs builds very soon
23:24:02linuxstbThis is just for the PortalPlayer targets (and Gigabeat), and adds support for .mpg files with sound.
23:24:12fasmaieBagder: Yay, thanks for the info
23:24:32Bagdernow I just need a commit to see that the gigabeat build runs fine
23:24:56linuxstbBagder: One more video... http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-224x128-354kbps.mpg
23:24:59fasmaielinuxstb: Was the issue with older iPods and the new bootloader ever resolved?
23:25:15Lloreanlinuxstb: Should I strip me kernel_on_cop_6.diff off first?
23:25:28linuxstbfasmaie: No. I'm waiting for someone to answer my requests in the forums to provide more info.
23:25:47linuxstbLlorean: Yes - my patch includes the kernel_on_cop_6 patch.
23:25:57linuxstbSo it should be applied against clean CVS.
23:26:15fasmaielinuxstb: Ok, I'll do a clean install of OF and tell you the output
23:26:29fasmaielinuxstb: on the forum, of course
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23:26:50linuxstbmpegplayer's menu and controls don't work, so when it shows the menu at the start, set Limit FPS to ON and Skip Frames to ON. (and show FPS if you want)
23:26:56Lloreanlinuxstb: Okay, CVS upping to verify all my files are clean, then applying, compiling, and I'll let you know how it goes
23:27:36linuxstbIt also never exits, so you'll need to reset with MENU+SELECT. Finally, it also never rebuffers, it just fills the buffer once, plays it, and then probably crashes.
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23:27:58LloreanHehehe
23:28:00LloreanI'll bear all that in mind
23:28:03Bagderlinuxstb: put in position
23:28:06linuxstbfasmaie: Thanks. It's puzzling me, so I hope that info gives a clue...
23:28:45linuxstbBagder: Thanks again.
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23:29:26BagderI'm on holiday actually, online from my parents', but I'll check in again tomorrow to verify that the gigabeat builds are doing good
23:29:33Bagdernight!
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23:32:22midkayquick Q about language files.. if you want to modify the string displayed/voiced (english.lang) would you update all three lines? source, dest and voice? or only two of them, or will this affect the updating of other languages?
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23:36:12spugmidkay: source and dest should be identical in english.lang, if that's what you mean?
23:36:34spugand voice too most of the time
23:36:47midkayso changing an existing string's source and dest text will work out fine when someone tries to uplang or genlang or whatever?
23:37:22linuxstbI think one of them needs to stay the same. But I'm not an authority on the language files.
23:37:37spugneither am i
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23:37:50midkayyeah, that's what i'm not sure about..
23:37:53spugbut if you do what you say, genlang will give a notice that the source has changed in english.lang and that they probably would want to translate
23:38:01linuxstbIf I was you, I would check the recent cvs changes to that file, and see if someone made a similar change to the one you want to make.
23:38:28midkaythat's what i'm looking for right now :)
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23:38:53midkayaha...
23:39:08midkayyes, all lines can be changed, cool.. thanks :)
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23:39:45Lloreanlinuxstb: Without limitfps the video decodes at about 29 or 30. I'm watching now at the normal framerate to see how sync stays.
23:40:16linuxstbCan you remember if that's the same speed as the old mpegplayer?
23:40:26LloreanAbout the same
23:40:31LloreanMaybe a bit faster
23:40:35LloreanI think the old one was about 27 at that point
23:40:39LloreanBut this was a while ago.
23:41:42Lloreanlinuxstb: I am curious though, why there are two rows of pixels visible above the top of the video.
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23:42:27linuxstbLlorean: Do you have Show FPS on? Those lines will just be left from there.
23:42:43linuxstbThe video itself is 4 pixels shorter than the LCD.
23:42:47Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah, okay
23:43:00Lloreanlinuxstb: I thought the video was LCD resolution, I wasn't paying attention to the numbers is all
23:43:15linuxstbThe video is a multiple of 16x16.
23:43:18LloreanRight
23:43:28LloreanAnd audio stayed in sync until the freeze at the rebuffer
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23:44:13LloreanSo, it seems to work as intended, and fast enough too
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23:45:52linuxstbI guess the most useful testing now would be to encode your own .mpg files and see if the parser can handle them. The audio can be mp2 or mp3, mono or stereo, but must be 44.1KHz.
23:45:59Terinjokesis the wiki down?
23:46:31linuxstbThat test file is lame-encoded MP3, averaging around 170kbps.
23:46:40LloreanTerinjokes: Works for me.
23:47:08TerinjokesLlorean, a few seconds later it popped up... figures :D
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23:50:27Lloreanlinuxstb: Okay, I'll poke at it a bit then and see if I come across anything it doesn't like
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23:53:24Lloreanlinuxstb: What encapsulation do I want?
23:53:32PaulPositionlinuxstb: You don't happen to have a 128x128 version of that mpg of your, do you? Or what are the specs for the file if I resize it on my end?
23:53:35dionoeampeg ps
23:53:47*dionoea just read his IRC logs :)
23:55:02LloreanGotcha
23:57:14dionoealinuxstb: do you get real time audio+video decoding ? (on which devices?)
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