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#rockbox log for 2006-12-30

00:00:07linuxstbLlorean: MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 program stream.
00:00:52Lloreanlinuxstb: Got it.
00:00:58linuxstbPaulPosition: No, I don't. I'll be encoding test files for all LCD sizes (we now have too many...), so I'll try and remember 128x128. I assume your LCD has square pixels?
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00:02:26linuxstbdionoea: The Nano can do about 29fps full-screen with audio. My ipod Photo can just about manage 24fps at 16:9 "full-screen" (i.e. letterboxed 224x128). The gigabeat can handle fullscreen 320x240 with audio...
00:02:37linuxstbColdfire targets will struggle...
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00:02:58linuxstb(and the patch won't work on Coldfire at the moment).
00:03:08PaulPositionlinuxstb - Indeed, the H10 has square screen of 128x128 so I assume square pixels :p
00:03:10dionoeanice :)
00:03:36linuxstbThis is with video decoding on the COP for the PortalPlayer targets.
00:03:41linuxstbThe main CPU is doing the audio.
00:04:28PaulPositionlinuxstb - I'm well aware that it is about utterly pointless to look at video on a device such as mine. Yet I'd like to see it work. :p
00:04:38dionoeavideo decoding includes conversion from YUV to RGB and display ?
00:04:58linuxstbYes. That's something I'm considering splitting between the two cores.
00:06:15linuxstbPaulPosition: You could try the 176x128 video. I _think_ mpegplayer will just crop it for you.
00:07:12PaulPositionlet's see :)
00:08:16midkaylinuxstb: what do you think about video+audio on the 5G?
00:08:22LloreanCan I ask for command line help with the VLC transcode?
00:08:25linuxstbhahaha
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00:08:55linuxstbIt seems embarrassing to try and compete with the Broadcom chip...
00:08:57LloreanI'm not all too familiar with VLC, but I figured a quick hack of the .bat would be fine, but "−−sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,acodec=mp3,vb=256,ab=128,width=%WIDTH%,height=%HE
00:08:57LloreanIGHT%}:es{access=file,mux=ps,dst=%1.mpg}" doesn't seem to work
00:09:21linuxstbI've never used VLC...
00:09:21midkaywell, i doubt we'll be able to use it in the near future, right? :)
00:09:27Llorean=/
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00:09:45dionoearemove the es thing
00:10:04dionoeaand put :std{mux=ps,access=file,dst=file.ts}
00:10:07PaulPositionlinuxstb - Nope.. With larger file, Plugin returned error. No problem, though, I'll fiddle around with playing some music and see if I can trigger a freeze or two .. :p
00:10:07linuxstbLlorean: You may need to resample the audio as well, depending on the input.
00:10:32dionoeaerrr ... file.mpg
00:11:14Lloreandionoea: Thanks, I'll see if that works
00:11:21tychverdo we really need to decode video at such high fps? I think the ipov videos use 15 fps
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00:11:50linuxstbmidkay: Currently, mpegplayer can decode 320x240 video at around 21fps on a single PP core. That's without the conversion from YUV to RGB and blitting to the LCD. So if the second core could handle the yuv2rgb and blit _and_ audio, then we could get around that speed.
00:11:58Lloreandionoea: The problem is, video isn't showing along with the audio in media player classic like that
00:12:20dionoealike what ?
00:12:30Lloreandionoea: The file output by that command line
00:12:35linuxstbmidkay: So with optimisations, and using every cycle of both cores, it _may_ be possible to get 25fps or more out of it.
00:12:36LloreanI think it's audio only, the filesize is tiny
00:13:04midkaylinuxstb: cool :) though second-core access is also probably rather far in the distance too, i guess?
00:13:13linuxstbLlorean: What about viewing the file in VLC itself?
00:13:23linuxstbmidkay: No, mpegplayer (the patch I posted) is using the second core...
00:13:25dionoeavlc.exe source.avi −−sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=700,acodec=mpga,ab=128}:std{access=file,mux=ps,dst=file.mpg}
00:13:36dionoea+ height and width parameters
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00:13:44midkaylinuxstb: ?! wow! that's a breakthrough :) figured it out?
00:13:45dionoeais that what you're using ?
00:13:49Lloreanlinuxstb: Audio only as well
00:14:04Lloreandionoea: acodec=mp3, and samplerate=44100
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00:14:28linuxstbmidkay: It's never been _that_ unknown. dan_a has done the work to implement a kernel on the COP, and there's a patch in the patch tracker from lostlogic which builds on that and runs the codec thread on the COP.
00:14:34Lloreandionoea: Also, a different VB
00:14:36TerinjokesLlorean, I assume your computer is set up so it compiles rockbox correctly (unlike mine...)
00:14:39LloreanSince the screen is much smaller
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00:15:47webguest00hey. sorry to inturupt the vlc conversation but i'm having a problem with rockbox on my ipod. Well its a problem with the boot loader. I've just installed it and it works fine but i cannot load the original apple OS - it just keep cycling. Any ideas?
00:15:52midkaylinuxstb: that's very cool.. i've been out of the loop for too long :)
00:15:53dionoeaLlorean: append -vvv −−extraintf=logger to your command line and see what error messages VLC outputs
00:16:11dionoeaLlorean: or just try adding fps=25 in transcode
00:16:25dionoeampeg2 doesn't accept all framerates ... maybe your source frame rate is incompatible
00:16:58linuxstbwebguest00: Which ipod do you have?
00:16:58Lloreandionoea: Actually, that's the change I just made myself. :)
00:17:08webguest004th gen 20gb
00:17:14dionoeahehe :)
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00:17:17Lloreandionoea: And that was the problem
00:17:24webguest00black and white
00:17:48Terinjokessounds to me like your apple os is corrupted...
00:18:05Terinjokesi remember talk of this before... just don't remember how we resolved it
00:18:11linuxstbwebguest00: Yes, there's been a few reports of that problem with the new version of ipodpatcher - but oddly only on the 4G.
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00:18:14tychverhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2#Profiles_and_Levels
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00:18:31linuxstbTerinjokes: I never knew it was resolved...
00:18:36webguest00i did see it on the forums but didn't see much else
00:18:42Terinjokesmy guess would be to restore the apple os, and manually install the bootloader/rockbox
00:18:47webguest00just checking if there was any more indo
00:19:03Lloreanlinuxstb: It seems to play a 700kbps video with 128kbps audio at 25fps just fine
00:19:11LloreanAt nano resolution
00:19:13linuxstbNice.
00:19:18midkaylinuxstb: i don't see lostlogic's second-core patch.
00:19:27webguest00manually? i thought thats how we did it anyway?
00:19:41Lloreanmidkay: It's at the end of the comments on the coprocessor patch
00:20:13Lloreanlinuxstb: Scratch that, it is doing some framedropping, but the audio was fine the whole time
00:20:14Terinjokesdid you try installing using this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
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00:20:34midkayargh.. wish flyspray didn't suck so much :) so hard to find stuff sometimes..
00:20:52linuxstbLlorean: The bitrate is quite high for video your size. You should try and see how much you can reduce it.
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00:21:17linuxstbBut is it skipping a lot of frames, or just occasionally?
00:21:20Lloreanlinuxstb: Yeah, I was just trying 700 because that was in the sample that dionoea used and I wanted to remove any stupidity I might have caused. I'm trying 256 now
00:21:41linuxstbThat may be too low... But probably a good place to work up from.
00:21:45LloreanThat's what I figure
00:21:59LloreanLots of frames at the end of the video, but it was a very very very active scene
00:22:05linuxstbWhat kind of video is it?
00:22:15LloreanVideogame speedrun
00:22:21LloreanIt was what I had around
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00:22:57webguest00Terinjokes: i used the beta installation - i'll try it without and see if it works
00:22:58SoapI'm kind of curious if MPEG1 w/o the B frames of MPEG2 would show significant speed inprovements.
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00:23:24linuxstbSoap: We need someone to do all that kind of testing and come up with good encoder settings for Rockbox use...
00:23:25Lloreanlinuxstb: Actually, 256kbps video still looks pretty good.
00:24:26LloreanFor the Nano's screen, I'd say it's actually good enough
00:24:26Soapkind of funny when your audio is almost the same bitrate as your video.
00:24:52linuxstbI was just thinking that... These .mpg files are smaller than my FLACs...
00:25:16dionoeaLlorean: i guess that you could improve quality and keep the bitrate low by tweaking some ffmpeg options (like I frame ratio and stuff ...). But i don't have a clue about how that works
00:25:58linuxstbIs it skipping any frames at 256kbps?
00:26:05Lloreanlinuxstb: Not noticeably
00:26:09LloreanIf it was, I couldn't tell
00:26:26LloreanI'll run it again with frameskip off and without the limited framerate, shall I?
00:27:06tychver320x240 @ 15 FPS is 384kbps :S
00:27:06linuxstbThat could be interesting. In the past, ffmpeg-encoded files have been slower to decode than my mpeg2enc-encoded elephants dream clips.
00:27:25linuxstbtychver: How do you work that out?
00:27:35linuxstbAh, based on the Nano at 256kbps?
00:27:49tychverthe mpeg 2 profiles page on wikipedia
00:28:32SoapTMPGEnc is free for MPEG1 encoding, and it allows you to play around with the quantization matrix, which might explain the performance difference between same-bitrate encodes between two different encoders.
00:29:09Lloreanlinuxstb: 30fps, give or take 1 in variance.
00:29:24linuxstbSo about the same as the ED video.
00:29:29SoapI'm not familiar enough with the command-line encoders to know what assumptions they make when encoding.
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00:29:39LloreanYup
00:29:47Lloreanvideo bitrate of 256, audio bitrate of 128, and fullscreen
00:31:14*Llorean goes to encode a television show
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00:32:30linuxstbLlorean: What was the vlc command-line you came up with in the end/
00:32:32linuxstb?
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00:33:14LloreanI edited the .bat so that it now reads this: http://pastebin.ca/296117
00:34:02tychveranyone tried encoding the video with lower framerates? 24 or 15
00:34:13Lloreantychver: I'm encoding at 24
00:34:30LloreanSorry, 25
00:34:33Terinjokescan anyone make a QEMU image for rockbox compiling
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00:34:37tychverhow bad does it look at 15?
00:34:44LloreanI haven't tried
00:34:47LloreanI have no need to try
00:34:54LloreanI can do fullscreen video at 30 already
00:35:00Llorean:-P
00:35:01tychverincluding audio?
00:35:04LloreanYes
00:35:08tychverah
00:35:12tychverhang on
00:35:14LloreanSomeone with a 5G can try out 15fps
00:35:18tychverI'm about to fall off my chair
00:35:31tychverthat would probably be me then
00:36:11midkaylinuxstb: hm, so what have you got for 5G so far on mpegplayer? is it using both cores? decoding audio?
00:36:21tychverit might be worth the motion trade off if you could go to a higher bitrate
00:36:42Lloreantychver: I'd rather have smoothness with artifacts than frameskipping with clarity in most cases.
00:37:47linuxstbmidkay: mpegplayer is the same on all portalplayer targets (the patch I posted earlier, not CVS) - video on the COP, audio on the main CPU, playing .mpg files.
00:38:34midkaylinuxstb: that's great.. any thoughts on it getting CVS'd soon? gotta run in a few minutes, but it sounds really cool, i'll have to try it when i get back.
00:38:45Lloreanlinuxstb: I think there's something wrong with frameskipping
00:39:19linuxstbmidkay: It relies on the kernel-on-cop patch being submitted first. It's also needs a lot of cleaning up.
00:39:20webguest00Terinjokes: thanks for the advice - installing everything the old fasioned way workes like a charm. Guess the beta version isn't good for the 4th gen ipod yet
00:39:35tychverI take it that were talking 30fps at nano res?
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00:39:54midkaylinuxstb: ah, guess i'll compile myself later then. :)
00:39:55linuxstbtychver: Yes. Probably on the 5g as well though...
00:39:58midkaygotta run now.. laters all.
00:40:01Lloreanlinuxstb: Nevermind, ignore me.
00:40:13sdf3r234hey guys, i have some questions about the sansa e200... is there anyone in here who is working on that project?
00:40:13linuxstbLlorean: Happy to. :)
00:40:17Terinjokeswebguest00, glad it worked
00:40:25tychverok
00:40:42tychverwell I shall run a clean CVS, patch and try 24fps
00:40:47Lloreantychver: Even 25fps is not *wholly* consistent on the Nano, depending on the file, for example it dipped to about 23 in this one
00:41:12tychverah right, maybe I shall stick with 15 then..
00:41:23Lloreanlinuxstb: Should video be able to catch up with audio if it falls behind?
00:41:32LloreanBecause mine fell out of sync and has caught up.
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00:42:57linuxstbLlorean: mpegplayer doesn't attempt a/v sync yet. It just plays audio at full-speed and attempts to play video at the correct speed if you enable the limit fps option.
00:43:31Lloreanlinuxstb: There's definitely *something* funny going on then
00:44:07Lloreanlinuxstb: This scene plays at 27 fps with speed limit on. The video falls behind the audio, and then catches up a bit later if the limit is on, and if frame skip is enabled, there's some heavy frame skipping in the scene.
00:44:15Lloreanspeed limit *off* for the 27 fps
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00:51:20linuxstbThat sounds normal to me...
00:51:55linuxstbmpegplayer is always trying to display frames at the correct time. If it falls behind, it will catch up (if the CPU can).
00:52:01Lloreanlinuxstb: The file is 25 fps. It runs faster than its native framerate throughout the entire scene, but if I have the limit on, it runs slower than its native framerate at a certain portion.
00:52:29LloreanThat's more the interesting thing, it's frameskipping on a file that can be decoded faster than realtime
00:52:40amiconnThe build table is looking really odd...
00:53:13linuxstbThe displayed framerate is the average since the start of the file. So if it decodes a second of audio too slowly, that may not affect the average.
00:53:17LloreanAaah
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00:53:29LloreanI didn't realize it was since the start of the file
00:53:33LloreanIgnore me, yet again.
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00:55:54amiconnAm I the only one (or rather, pixelma) who observes problems with switching an ipod to usb mode from within rockbox?
00:56:06LloreanWhat problems exactly?
00:56:11amiconnUSB logo appears, but stays there instead of rebooting into disk mode
00:56:34LloreanI think I've seen reports of that in the forums
00:56:36LloreanDoesn't happen to me, though
00:56:45linuxstbWorks fine for me (on both a Photo and Video).
00:56:49Soapnor I
00:56:57amiconnIt worked with a build from the 18th
00:57:17amiconnBut not with one of today's cvs builds
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00:59:07pixelmaversion 061229 -1051
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01:00:20amiconnBah, time zone offset
01:00:22LloreanWell, I have to be off for a bit. As far as I can tell then, mpegplayer is working as intended, and 256kbps video seems about right. The quality looks fine to me at least (in fact it may even be able to go a bit lower) but there was that little bit of frameskipping when the whole scene panned, so it's still maybe much to decode.
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01:01:16bluebrotherwho did the save shutdown on low power thing?
01:01:33bluebrotherI have some strange behaviour that may be related to that
01:01:50pixelmaI think barrywardell commited it
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01:02:09bluebrothergood, then I try asking him about it
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01:03:23amiconnI guess it might have to do with the unified usb code, committed on the 20th
01:03:59bluebrotherhmm. It's mostly the backlight dimming. Seems the settings get overwritten when the battery is low
01:04:24bluebrothersimply reloading the settings fixes that. I thought maybe it's intended to not dim the backlight when the battery is low
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01:05:05bluebrothernoticed on my h120
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01:06:23amiconnI doubt that this is the problem here. The build was updated today, resetting the settings, and it worked before
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01:08:07bluebrotherhmm. I'll try updating and let the battery run out tomorrow. See if I can still reproduce it then.
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01:38:04AnthonyFitchHello, My name is Anthony Fitch, and I would like write permissions to the Rockbox Wiki
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01:44:36pixelmastrange... I just have tested a little bit (re. USB detection...) I found the dailies up to the 27th working - 28th is not - 29th is missing. Then I build on my own with currently updated CVS and it's working...
01:44:53pixelma(on Ipod mini 2nd gen)
01:46:43pixelmathis afternoon's CVS build wasn't working either
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02:07:21firenxdoes anyone know what would cause rockbox to run slow on my ipod 5.0 video? it seems to do this every so often.. reinstalling rockbox would resolve it sometimes but now im just not sure whats going on
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02:12:14Soapfirenx: with the current scheduler, the UI is foced to play second fiddle to audio playback.
02:12:49SoapThis is not how things used to be, so if you are upgrading from an older build, this might be the first time you have experienced it.
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02:39:43firenxno i've been playing around with a few versions, using jbuild so i can use the jclix theme ..
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02:42:49SoapI think all the Jbuilds are prior to the changes.
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02:45:45*mickael__ congratulates rockbox developpers
02:46:31SoapLlorean: did you just kill a fun thread?
02:47:01Soapnevermind
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02:49:21LloreanSoap: Which thread?
02:49:24LloreanGr
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02:52:11Craig_hi people. anyone know if there's a way of putting rockbox onto 80gb ipod? i can't wait for it!
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02:52:41linuxstbCraig_: Not yet.
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02:53:26Craig_that's a shame
02:54:13Craig_i hate itunes and it's random folder structure. i just got bought an ipod for xmas but i really don't want to transfer all my music using itunes
02:54:50LloreanWell, until someone figures out why we can't talk to the drive, we can't run on it
02:55:48Craig_what seems to be the problem then? just something apple did to the latest drive?
02:56:08LloreanWe don't know yet.
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02:57:18Craig_has there been much progress on it?
02:57:39LloreanYou can't really have progress in a situation like this.
02:57:48LloreanWe know a wide range of things that don't work. Does that qualify as progress?
02:57:59LloreanWe're still in the same place though.
02:57:59Craig_i'd say so
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02:59:18LloreanThere are a couple people hacking away at it though, so I imagine in time one of them will solve it
02:59:26Craig_i'm sure :-)
02:59:53Craig_i really hope it's soon. just wish i had a bit more knowledge and could help!
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03:00:44krazyndn411quick question - on an autoupdating ipod, is all the music from before installing rockbox accessible with rockbox?
03:00:54LloreanWell, once the disk problem is solved Rockbox ought to work as well on the 80gb as it does on any other iPod.
03:01:09Craig_i look forward to that!
03:01:40Lloreankrazyndn411: Rockbox does not cause the contents of your music partition to be modified other than the files that you copy onto it.
03:02:27Craig_from what i have read you can use database for rockbox to read the contents of your "itunes" music files
03:03:04krazyndn411cool
03:03:25Craig_what ipod have you got?
03:03:43krazyndn411video - 30gb
03:03:58krazyndn411i wanted to play flac content :-\
03:04:26Craig_i almost wish i had one of those - i got the 80gb unexpectedly for xmas and can't install rockbox :-(
03:04:29LloreanIs there some reason you can't?
03:04:31krazyndn411plus - rocbox sound customization is so much nicer
03:04:46krazyndn411i can't browse any music right now
03:05:01Craig_:-/
03:05:24Craig_was it all transferred with itunes?
03:05:33krazyndn411yeah
03:05:35krazyndn411before i installed rockbox
03:05:35LloreanYou shouldn't be able to transfer flacs with iTunes though
03:05:51krazyndn411i haven't transferred any yet
03:05:51krazyndn411i just wanted to
03:06:33LloreanIf you're planning to use Rockbox for music, iTunes really isn't the way to go anyway.
03:06:43LloreanBut database can find and index all your non-protected iTunes songs
03:07:21Craig_i wish companies would just see how much they're shooting themselves in the back with all this DRM crap
03:08:02Craig_all i want is to use my ipod as a harddrive with a regular folder structure that can access all my music
03:08:05krazyndn411all of it is non protected...i think i will reformat anyways...i tunes 7 really pisses me off because
03:08:18SoapApple's choice to use a database system has nothing to do with DRM
03:08:44LloreanSoap: But their choice to obfuscate filenames was likely to make it difficult for users to copy files off it
03:08:46Craig_it has to do with stopping you from copying as easily back to computer
03:09:01LloreanSoap: What thread did you think I'd killed, by the way?
03:09:08SoapLlorean: the argument has been made that the database is faster because of the consistant and small file names and sizes.
03:09:33SoapLlorean: and that if they /really/ didn't want you moving files off they would remove the (unneeded) metadata/tags.
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03:10:12SoapCraig_: copy them back, any decent tagger will rename and organize them for you.
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03:11:09LloreanSoap: I don't imagine the consistency of the filenames was necessary to make the database faster, especially since until recently it was possible to allow the database to use longer names which means it wasn't hardcoded to depend on or expect short ones, or optimized to use them in some special way.
03:11:09Craig_i know there are ways and i know exactly how to do them. it's just a pain that i can't drag my music folder straight onto my ipod and browse it
03:11:26krazyndn411hmm
03:11:33krazyndn411i like this new way of browsing
03:11:39krazyndn411i think i'll reformat
03:11:48LloreanSoap: I'm not saying that there wasn't a performance advantage, just that it seems unlikely to be a primary reason (to me, but I'm not invested in this, I honestly don't care why they did it, it's silly either way)
03:12:20Craig_if the filename argument is true, how come other manufacturers don't do it?
03:12:35Soapit is silly, and I still believe the existance of tags proves they didn't do it to screw anyone.
03:12:56SoapCraig_: name another system with as fast of a database when dealing with 60GB of music?
03:13:06Soapsorry
03:13:09Soapenough OT.
03:13:29LloreanSoap: I think the existence of tags is laziness. I don't think it was a *deep* effort to screw anyone, just a token effort to keep the most casual users (which honestly, is what iPod sells to primarily) confused.
03:13:50LloreanBut, on the plus side, the remaining tags makes our Database able to incorporate iTunes infected iPods with ease.
03:14:09Craig_and also to try and make sure they use itunes to transfer music, which would probably encourage them to buy from the iTunes store
03:14:26Craig_i'm just a bit cynical
03:14:34*Llorean wonders if anyone has written a Rockbox-sync for a popular music manager yet.
03:15:10Soapwhen Foobar2000 gets opened and ported there will be only one popular music manager! ;)
03:15:19Llorean"When" or "If"?
03:15:31Soapnot if
03:15:32SoapIF
03:15:35Soapit's a big one.
03:15:38LloreanHehehe
03:15:47Craig_gotta love foobar
03:16:06linuxstbI've never understood developers who release "free" software, but keep the source to themselves.
03:16:06LloreanApparently you don't have to, I do see diehard winamp fanatics.
03:16:34Craig_but foobar is just so economical on cpu/memory usage
03:16:53Craig_winamp is nowhere near as good from that point of view
03:17:16Lloreanlinuxstb: I think there's a fear of someone forking and showing you up.
03:17:48LloreanI mean, there's always the option of a license that doesn't allow redistribution.
03:18:15tehsmoperhaps they also don't want to deal with a development community, and working with patches and such
03:18:44tehsmoit's easy to merge changes when you're the only developer. ;)
03:19:04Soapjust because you release the source doesn't mean you need to offer public CVS, or even more support than "Here. Are you happy now?"
03:19:10tehsmotrue
03:19:20tehsmobut then people will fork, and you get to llorean's argument
03:19:33Craig_nice speaking guys, i'm off
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03:19:35Lloreantehsmo: If you have a no-redistribution license, people can't fork.
03:19:40tehsmohmm. .true
03:19:44LloreanWell, not legally
03:19:56linuxstbThat's hardly Free software then..
03:19:57Soapyea, which is a new one to me. The two theories i had always heard were 1-contains code it shouldn't and 2-It is a royal mess.
03:20:10Lloreanlinuxstb: Aye, 'tis true.
03:20:45LloreanBut I mean, closing the source only seems to imply that there's something in the source that the user doesn't want other people to see.
03:21:04Soapor that you're a sucker and a free beta tester.
03:21:09LloreanHehehe
03:21:29LloreanHey, as long as it doesn't have some self destruct code in it that eats it when the retail product goes live, I'll be happy with the final beta.
03:21:42linuxstbBut I agree it's hard to open-source an existing closed-source application. It's completely different if it's been open source from the very early stages.
03:22:37*linuxstb is frustrated that mpegplayer is _just_ too slow for fullscreen video at 25fps on his photo... Too much framedropping.
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03:23:58LloreanWhat bitrate are you encoding at for Photo?
03:24:40linuxstbI've been trying mencoder. First at 500kbps, then at 400kbps. The quality is still OK, so I'll try dropping it further.
03:25:19LloreanI imagine there's still room for optimizing too, anyway, right?
03:26:03linuxstbYes, I'm sure there is.
03:27:32SoapI'm making room for some benchmarking videos. I assume for benchmarking purposes it would be beter to encode to a small size, so that the FPS average has a higher degree of "resolution" (45 compared to 41 being more meaningful than 10 to 11?)
03:28:04SoapOR - should I benchmark at higher resolutions because low resolution tests aren't indicitive of high res performance?
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03:28:40linuxstbI don't know... Do some benchmarks to decide how to benchmark...
03:28:47*Llorean saw that one coming. :)
03:28:58LloreanOr at least, something like it
03:29:05jeffbhehe
03:29:43LloreanI have to say, until today I've felt fairly indifferent about Video support, and suddenly, after watching 10 minutes of a TV show on my Nano I find myself thinking "I wish rebuffering worked..."
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03:30:58tychverI keep cartoon episodes on mine, they get down to about 20mins without the adverts, perferct viewing while on hold
03:31:23linuxstbBut I think I would just go with "real" video files - i.e. encode at full-screen.
03:31:27jeffbwatching video on a nano seems painful
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03:32:05Lloreanjeffb: Not so much, honestly.
03:32:14LloreanThough I'd probably mainly be listening to it anyway
03:32:30jeffbhaven't had a chance to try it out yet
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04:12:01snickerhi folks
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04:15:25snickerdoes rockbox support a type of "suspend" mode on ipod nano 1stgen?
04:16:37BHSPitLappyit supports a type of "off" mode
04:17:01snickerwell, by suspend i mean, the screen goes off
04:17:08snickerrather than shutting down completely
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04:19:22snickerscreen comes back on on first button press
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04:25:13scorchethat is called sleep mode...and no it doesnt
04:25:57snickerwell are there implementations in the code to turn off the screen?
04:26:14snickerI guess there's probably more to it than that
04:26:21scorchemuch more
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04:54:45tical2kwhat is the main processor on the ipod photo/5g etc?
04:55:15tical2kim drawing a blank.... PP.... power______ ?
04:56:43scorcheportal player
04:56:51tical2kwhoops
04:56:51tical2khaha
04:58:41Fred_From_Toastenoob question here
04:59:46Fred_From_Toasteim using wmp 11 with an ipod nano, never used itunes, do i have to convert the database so i can see my songs or am i just missing somthing obvious here?
04:59:58scorcheno
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05:00:18scorcheat least i dont think so...dont know how WMP does things
05:03:21Fred_From_Toasteim using a plugin, dopisp, its called... I think i can figure this out, but i think that plugin makes it act like itunes, but i checked it out and the filenames look normal on the ipod....
05:03:21tical2klinuxstb: hows the cpu scaling turning out for you?
05:08:50Fred_From_Toastecan anyone recomed a better media player then?
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05:21:43mdkeThe manual for the ipod gen 2 doesn't contain any info about upgrading... what's the procedure?
05:23:16scorchewe dont support the 2nd gen...and we have no manual for it
05:24:47mdkescorche: sorry, mini 2nd gen
05:25:30bagawkmdke: unzip the file onto the ipod, particularly the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder should be new
05:25:59mdkeok. I've done that. i don't need to do anything with the firmware?
05:26:20bagawknope, the bootloader just reads the rockbox.ipod file and runs it
05:26:27mdkeoh right
05:26:37mdkecool, hopefully it will crash less :D
05:26:58*mdke gives it a try
05:27:57bagawkmdke: what do you do with the ubuntu project btw (noticing your hostmask)
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05:29:26mdkebagawk: documentation, various general community things
05:29:58mdkerockbox doesn't want to boot now :(
05:30:02bagawkohh cool
05:30:07mdkeerror -5
05:31:38mdkeit's showing the old version, and there is a slightly discrepancy between Checksum and Sum
05:31:43mdkeany ideas what might be up?
05:32:02scorcheyou likely put the wrong build on the device
05:32:22mdkethat sounds possible
05:32:28scorchesure you put the 2nd gen build on your 2nd gen device?
05:32:39mdkemaybe it isn't a mini 2nd gen after all...
05:32:53scorchedoes it say the capacity on the back?
05:33:11mdkeno
05:33:21bagawkIf i remember the difference is the color on the clickwheel match the color of the ipod for gen 2
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05:33:33scorcheand where it says menu, fast forward, etc colot match the whole colo....yeah
05:33:46scorchebagawk: both are differences
05:34:20mdkeunder settings/about I see version 1.1
05:34:39mdkethat's 1 gen then, I guess?
05:34:39scorchemdke: so it doesnt say something like 5GB on the back?
05:34:47mdkeno, it's 4gb
05:34:50mdkebut nothing on the back
05:34:54scorchebut does it say that?
05:34:59scorchealright...you ahve a first gen
05:35:19mdkedamn, my bad. Have I ruined everything, or can I unpack the correct build on top?
05:35:21scorcheand for the crashes, get mikeage's build with the frequency scaling patch
05:35:30mdkeooh!
05:35:38mdkethat sounds promising
05:35:51scorchereset (menu+select), then enter disk mode (select+play)
05:36:10mdkeok
05:36:55mdkedone
05:37:03Soapforum quote of the day:
05:37:04Soap"Thanks. After a lot more digging around (this site really could do with a prominent site map link on the home page!) I've figured out that the iRiver H10 port is a work-in-progress"
05:37:27scorchemust have been a slow day if you chose that one..
05:37:56mdkescorche: what do I do now?
05:38:09scorchecopy a new build over
05:38:23*mdke plugs it in
05:38:43Soapyou don't like the second half of that one?
05:39:10scorcheit was "meh"
05:39:36mdkescorche: boots now (loads faster too :)
05:39:41mdkescorche: about this patch...
05:39:51mdkegimme!
05:40:15scorcheSoap: heh..."can i get the link through a private message?"
05:40:22mdkeit crashes a lot especially when a bit low on battery, I think
05:40:27scorchemdke: look on the forums
05:40:35mdkeok
05:40:36Soapscorche: yea, I thought that one needed moved now.
05:40:45Soapwith LL and Febs gone.
05:41:29mdkewhile I'm here, I've also noticed that I seem to get random loss of my settings (such as font size and file view), is this a known bug, a fixed bug, or am I doing something wrong?
05:41:46scorchehow are you shutting off the device?
05:41:58scorcheor rebooting
05:42:18scorcheif you hard reset it (menu+select), it will not save them
05:42:35mdkeoh, probably I do some of those. Generally I do play+select
05:43:16scorchewhy?...it should go into disk mode automatically whenyou plug in the cable
05:43:40mdkeplay+select seems to make it shut down
05:43:59scorcheonly because holding play makes it shutdown
05:44:12mdkeah.
05:45:01mdkeis there a way to make it save my settings no matter what?
05:45:31bagawkhumm make sure the disk spins up before you shut it off
05:46:11bagawkplaying a song from another album or runing a plugin should do it
05:46:35scorchemdke: you can also save your settings to a file you can load yourself
05:46:51mdkeI tried that, but found that I couldn't figure out how to save the filename
05:47:03mdkewhich was so frustrating, I gave up
05:47:13scorchereading the manual helps
05:48:28mdkeI didn't think of that... I thought of it for a serious task like upgrading, but not something trivial like operating the thing
05:49:12scorchethe manual is...well, a manual...it has a variety of topics from simple, to advanced
05:49:30mdkeyes, I see that.
05:49:54mdkeBut I didn't have to read the Apple manual to operate it, so I guess it just didn't occur to me
05:50:04mdkeI'll read it
05:50:16mdkeand maybe file some usability bugs if I am not satisfied after that :)
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05:53:43mdkescorche: I've found the custom build you referred to. What's the affect on battery life, do you know?
05:54:22scorchenot anything to worry about
05:54:30mdkeI'll give it a try then
05:56:57mdkescorche: sorry to keep bugging you, on http://mikeage.net/content/rockbox/index.php, is the correct one "noscaling" or "cpufreq3"?
05:57:11Soapgo with noscaling
05:57:20mdkeok, that's what I figured. Just to be sure :)
05:57:20Soapit locks the CPU at 75, and prevents the crashes.
05:57:21scorchewrong
05:57:32SoapI though cpufreq3 was still unstable?
05:57:35mdkeno?
05:57:39SoapI was getting to that though.
05:57:58scorchecpufreq3
05:58:13mdkeok. it's the good stuff?
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06:00:03scorcheyou can use the noscaling build as well...it will drastically reduce battery though, but it is the only "for sure" way of getting rid of the issue
06:00:15scorcheuse that if cpufreq doesnt work for you
06:00:24mdkei'll try this cpufreq3 for now
06:00:25mdkethanks guys
06:02:09mdkekeep up the good work
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06:18:18JackalSMPhey have they fix the video for rockbox for ipod video
06:21:03scorchewhat is wrong with it?
06:22:14tehsmoJackalSMP: if you mean, have they implemented support, sort of. there's an mpeg player that uses the cpu and gets 15-ish fps. but there's no support for the broadcom chip as of yet IIRC
06:23:41JackalSMPdoes the audi work /?
06:24:37tehsmowith the mpeg player? yeah, IIRC. although the whole thing is experimental and not in CVS or anything
06:24:39scorcheno, but it is a work in progress
06:25:05scorcheas i said...work in progress ;)
06:25:11JackalSMPanything I can do to help the process
06:25:19scorchedo you know C?
06:25:28JackalSMPno but i have a friend who is a wiz
06:25:33JackalSMPreally good
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06:31:25topblokeit would rock if rockbox could play xvids
06:31:50scorchethen make them play
06:32:01topblokeand also TV out
06:32:09scorchethen code a patch for it
06:32:14topblokeright o
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07:14:20Coldtoastjust found out I actually have a 5.5G ipod. That's the same as the 5G as far as rb support goes?
07:16:24tehsmothe 30GB is supported, the 80 is not
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08:17:26Coldtoasttehsmo: : the 5.5G 30Gb tho?
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08:18:14Mouser_XColdtoast: Pretty sure that the 30 GB 5.5 is supported.
08:18:24Mouser_XHCS has a 5.5, as I recall.
08:18:41Mouser_XHe's developed a couple of plugins for Rockbox.
08:20:05scorcheColdtoast: yes
08:21:42Coldtoastok
08:21:42Coldtoastcool
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08:31:32tehsmoyeah, the 30GB 5.5G is supported
08:32:00tehsmoactually I just noticed it says that on the home page; must have been recently added
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08:45:44Coldtoastah. diodn't see it there when I looked a couple of days ago
08:47:58tehsmoyeah, I think that changed yesterday, maybe
08:48:09RedZZR11Hi all, trying to register on the twiki - not receiving the emails - does it take a while?
08:48:20tehsmoRedZZR11: sometimes. took more than an hour for me
08:48:48RedZZR11Ok, thanks - I'll wait for a while then..
08:48:51tehsmoI think there's server issues at the moment, something about it running on only one CPU
08:49:36Coldtoastso I use iPod Video/5G bootloader?
08:49:41Coldtoastguess so
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08:51:31Mouser_XHowdy bun-bun.
08:51:55Mouser_XJust wondering, but does your username have anything to do with a Megaman composer?
08:52:10bun-bun_hi, no it doesn't
08:52:10Mouser_XOr is it related to an online comic?
08:52:19bun-bun_yes, sluggy freelance
08:52:20Mouser_XSluggy.com?
08:52:24bun-bun_:D
08:52:28Mouser_XGood stuff.
08:52:46Mouser_X(Bunbun composed music for Megaman 3, and I think 2.)
08:52:55bun-bun_yeah i was a big fan of sluggy
08:53:02Mouser_X(Obviously, different bunbuns.)
08:53:09bun-bun_yeah
08:53:16Mouser_XI used to read it almost daily.
08:53:20Mouser_XThat changed when I got a job.
08:53:26bun-bun_lol, same here
08:53:31Mouser_XI now read it almost monthy.
08:54:03bun-bun_from about '98 to 2000 or so i read it regularly, but i admit i haven't looked at it in a long time now
08:54:12Mouser_XOh, that's too bad.
08:54:21Mouser_XA LOT has happened since then...
08:54:32bun-bun_yeah i noticed when i checked about a month ago D:
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08:54:38Mouser_XBunbun was actually out of the comic for about a year.
08:54:44tehsmoby the time I heard of sluggy, the archive was too intimidating
08:54:47bun-bunO.O
08:54:57Mouser_XYes, he got banished.
08:55:02bun-bunis aylee still around?
08:55:07Mouser_XIt took about a year for him to get back.
08:55:18Mouser_XFrom what I recall, she's in a cacoon.
08:55:24Mouser_XHas been for some time.
08:55:29bun-buni really need to go back and read it all from the beginning
08:55:40Mouser_XI'm thinking of doing the same thing.
08:55:49bun-buni really really meant to order the books when pete abrams published them
08:55:59Mouser_XYou still can.
08:56:09Mouser_XI think the first ones are now in a compilation.
08:56:10bun-bunare they still first editions?
08:56:13bun-bunahh
08:56:14Mouser_XNo.
08:56:43Mouser_XThough, at least they're available.
08:58:02Mouser_XI strongly recommend that you attempt to catch up.
08:58:13Mouser_XThere's some really good content that you're missing out on.
08:58:22bun-buni can imagine
08:58:27bun-bunzoe still around?
08:58:32Mouser_XYes.
08:58:37bun-bunhot :D
08:58:44Mouser_XI think she's moved out though.
08:59:05bun-bunmoved out? she was already living on her own i thought
08:59:11Mouser_XShe was going to school, but ran out of money (I think Riff or Torg stole here credit card number...)
08:59:18bun-bunlol
08:59:31Mouser_XWell, at one point, they were all living in the same house.
08:59:37Mouser_XShe moved out of that.
08:59:41bun-bunoh man i'm really out of it
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09:00:00Mouser_XThe house had a really interesting ending...
09:00:14Mouser_XThey now own it, free of charge, rent, payment, everything.
09:00:22bun-bunok i'm going to start tomorrow. i would start tonight but i need to sleep and if i start reading there goes the sleep idea
09:00:38Mouser_Xlol
09:00:43Mouser_XSo very true.
09:00:53Mouser_XI've had that happen on numerous occasions.
09:01:21bun-bunyeah, and what time i have left i need to get this stupid voip crap working
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09:02:52Mouser_XBah...
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09:18:28GaryAllen_RedZZRHi, got my confirmation email from twiki - now how to I get write access?
09:20:43bagawkGaryAllen_RedZZR: someone adds you to the list, now you _really_ plan to edit the wiki correct?
09:22:00GaryAllen_RedZZRYep, I want to add some stuff to the Gigabeat port, I've modded some code and done a WPS for it.
09:23:47bagawkGaryAllen_RedZZR: I added you to the group
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09:25:33bagawkyep Have fun :)
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09:27:07bianconeriHello all, I installed rockbox successfully, and been fiddling with it for quite some time. What I can't figure out, is that when I change it to database mode, for each artist I get multiple (2 or even more) songs for the same song...which wasn't the case earlier on the original Mac software...thanx in advance :)
09:27:11goffatheoretical question.. is it possible to have a wps display landscape?
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09:31:50bagawkgoffa: what do you mean by landscape?
09:32:25goffalike if you were to rotate the player 90 degrees
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09:33:07bagawkahh
09:33:22goffagigabeat has a tall screen
09:33:26goffaso it'd be useful
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09:33:38goffaesp for long filenames
09:34:39bagawkwell, you certainly could change the code to reverse the screen width and height and then swap the cords on every pixel
09:35:37goffahmm.. that sounds like it could get messy
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09:37:42goffai know they have the rotate 180.. but that seems much easier to implement
09:37:44Coldtoastjust installed rb on my ipod 5.5g and whe it boots it's saying No Partition
09:38:04Coldtoastassuming this is cos the ipod has an unallocated section of 94MB then the main partition formatted as FAT32
09:39:40Mouser_XRead the documentation/FAQ.
09:39:56Mouser_XI recall reading about that somewhere, but I don't know what was said.
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09:40:15bagawkgoffa: another way, make a sideways font and write up lcd_puts to swap the cords
09:40:17Mouser_XSince I haven't read the documentation, I'm going to guess I read it in the FAQ.
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10:22:56amiconngoffa: Rotating by 90° at runtime would be really hard, as it would mean that lcd width and height are no longer constant (as seen by all drawing functions etc)
10:23:25amiconnWhat would be much easier would be making a special build that _always_ uses the display in landscape mode
10:30:05amiconnI don't see the point though. The gigabeat display is huge...
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10:58:51nudelyn\o/ Earlier today Apple said the company is facing several federal lawsuits for allegedly creating an illegal monopoly by tying iTunes to iPods.
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11:00:34Coldtoastinteresting
11:00:54Coldtoasttheir hardware, their software
11:01:05Coldtoastwhat's being monopolised?
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11:01:31nudelynhaving a monopoly isn't what's illegal
11:01:31nudelynhaving a monopoly and using it to force people to use other products of yours is illegal
11:01:49Coldtoastforcing?
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11:02:12Coldtoasthow? it's not like there aren't craploads of other options
11:02:17nudelynif you have an ipod you can only buy from itunes. if you buy from itunes you can only play what you bought on an ipod (or computer with itunes)
11:02:52nudelynapple have 80% of the market. when MS got sued there were other options but they were still found guitly because they abused the monopoly they had with windows for force other things on people
11:03:24nudelynthough TBH i don't agree with much of the MS case. shipping IE for free didn't stop anyone using firefox.
11:03:29nudelynor netscape at the itme
11:03:44nudelynnetscape not being updated for a couple of years stopped people from using netscape :)
11:03:48linuxstbIf you have an ipod, you can buy non-DRM-protected music and play that. You don't have to buy music from ITMS.
11:03:54Coldtoastit's not Apple's fault they have an 80% marketshare
11:04:01Coldtoastunlike Windows, where if you want certain things you HAVE to use Windows
11:04:03nudelynhaving a monopoly isn't what's illegal <<<
11:04:19nudelynif you want to buy music online much of it is only available on itunes
11:04:26cynicalliberallinuxstb: you're overestimating the average tech-user
11:04:29nudelynand apple refuse to licence their DRM system to anyone else
11:04:52nudelynso they lock people in to using one of their products because they're already using another one
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11:05:41nudelynSony and Microsoft are just as bad, but they don't have enough market share to be considered a monopoly, I guess. Or they'll be sued next once Apple is out of the way, if the case succeeds, perhaps.
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11:06:45Coldtoastthe ol' PS3 doesn't seem to be doing so well at the moment
11:07:22nudelynnot surprising. it costs a crazy amount and has only one good game at the moment, and is no more powerful (in real terms) than the year-old 360.
11:07:52nudelynnice to see the arrogant bastards at SCE fail at least a little, though i'm sure the PS3 will still be a success due to brand loyalty. (and i'm sure i'll buy one eventually for some exclusive title)
11:08:15Coldtoastfail a little? they've failed spectacularly in recent years
11:08:30nudelynnot the SCE part (the console division)
11:08:34Coldtoastoh. yeah
11:08:50Coldtoastpersonally, I never did like the Playstation
11:08:56Coldtoastno version
11:09:06Coldtoastloved the xbox tho. amazing things when modded
11:09:29nudelynI don't like the PS2 hardware but there were some good games for it. THey could've been done on another platform though.
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11:10:04nudelynmostly i don't like companies who openly say "we could ship a bucket full of shit for $1000 with the playstation logo on it and people would still want to work overtime to buy it"
11:10:09Coldtoastmaybe if I were a bit younger I'd be more into consoles
11:10:11nudelynor lie about why they had to remove rumble from their controllers
11:10:49Coldtoastheh
11:11:10nudelyni like consoles. much less hassle than pc gaming in terms of drivers and keeping hardware up to date, and you can play them on the sofa. :)
11:11:20Coldtoastweird how everybody (who I've ever talked to) never used rumble but when they dumped it, everybody was up in arms
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11:11:42nudelynrumble is used in just about every game these days
11:11:52Coldtoastyou don't have to enable it tho
11:12:08Coldtoasteverybody I know never has it enabled
11:12:10nudelynit's enabled by default. you'd have to go out of your way to disable it. (or use a Wavebird)
11:12:22nudelynyou know strange people :)
11:12:31Coldtoastwell.. on the PSX controllers it's a one button operation if I recall
11:12:55nudelynthat's the Analog toggle not rumble, if it's what i'm thinking of
11:13:05Coldtoastoh. probably
11:13:28Coldtoastanyway. on teh xbox, I only ev er enabled rumble to show my friend how I'd connected LEDs to the rumble. heh
11:13:49nudelynhehe
11:14:29Coldtoastthe most gaming I've ver done on a console is on my DS tho
11:14:49Coldtoastas in I've picked that up more than I've used any home console I've ever owned
11:15:14Coldtoastfor gaming, at least. Used to use my xbox CONSTANTLY for media
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11:15:33Coldtoastoh! and emulators. Metal Slug X is awesome with friends on a TV
11:16:50Juice^snes on xbox is cool too :)
11:16:59norlatchdoes anyone else have problems with new builds of rockbox for iriver h340?
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11:17:07ColdtoastYoshi's Island FTW :)
11:17:16norlatchmy player is shutting don suddely after upgrading to anewer build
11:17:44norlatchi have the battery fully charged but it says its empty and shuts down
11:19:15linuxstbHave you tried the original firmware?
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11:19:47norlatchi did
11:19:48linuxstb(and does reverting back to an older build fix it?)
11:20:02norlatchand strangly it also says the battery is empty
11:20:14norlatchi dont have an older build
11:20:29norlatchat least i cant find one on the website
11:20:29linuxstbYou can download them from the "older" link on the daily builds page - going back 30 days.
11:20:49norlatchi doubt that will be enough
11:21:04linuxstbBut if the OF is also showing an empty battery, it doesn't look like a Rockbox issue.
11:21:07norlatchmy last working one was from october
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11:21:43norlatchother people have the same problems
11:22:04norlatchacourding to the forum at misticriver.net
11:22:26norlatchi recharged the battery
11:22:52norlatchthe voltage was at about 4.12V
11:22:59norlatchthen updated the software
11:23:06Juice^does themes work on the sansa e2xx yet?
11:23:20norlatchand when i started the player it showed 2.97Volts and shut down
11:24:28linuxstbIt's the bootloader that displays the voltage at boot-time - and that hasn't changed for months afaik.
11:24:38norlatchi just tried to download an older bild the website seems to havesome problems
11:24:48linuxstbBut you should wait until a hardware guru is around who might have more ideas...
11:25:53norlatchok i wont be here for a couple of days (new year and all) now but thanks anyway
11:26:33norlatchmaybe on last question: is there a mirror for older rockbox builds?
11:28:31linuxstbNo.
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11:44:20daurnimatorJdGordon!
11:44:24JdGordonhey
11:45:10daurnimatorwhat you doing for NY?
11:45:22JdGordondunno yet
11:45:32JdGordonprob skip the city, but too early t know yet
11:45:58JdGordonu?
11:47:50*JdGordon wonders why my idiot router wont give my laptop an ip.. even thot he link is up :'(
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11:48:09linuxstbBecause its an idiot...
11:48:24JdGordonstupid cheap netgear
11:49:17daurnimatori dunno
11:49:27daurnimatorall my friends bailed @ xmas
11:49:42daurnimatorand mates have got tickets to concerts etc
11:49:58JdGordonwhat concerts r on nye?
11:50:00daurnimatorgot absolutely NO ONE to go around with :*(
11:50:22JdGordonaaww... there there...
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11:52:21daurnimatoruh
11:52:23daurnimatorlots
11:52:38daurnimatormost popular: falls, summadayze, pyramid rock
11:52:53JdGordonah ok
11:53:05daurnimatori didn't have a credit card in time to get a ticket
11:53:05daurnimatorand i don't have enough cash for scalpers
11:53:05daurnimator:(
11:55:28daurnimatorat least i get a new id tomorrow
11:55:42linuxstbYou're changing identity?
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11:55:57daurnimatorjust my birthdate
11:56:38linuxstbBTW, is the Archos 404 anything like the 402, or are they completely different hardware?
11:56:59JdGordongrr... whats the command t copy/paste text in vim?
11:57:03daurnimatorcompletely different
11:57:12JdGordondaurnimator: your bday tomorow?
11:57:12daurnimatorlinuxstb: did you watch my vid?
11:57:22daurnimatorno
11:58:00linuxstbdaurnimator: I watched the start, but my laptop's wireless connection was weak, and it kept pausing, so I gave up.
11:58:48linuxstbAlthough I'm not really interested in what it can do with the Archos firmware or archopen - I'm a slave to Rockbox.
11:58:52daurnimatorwell
11:59:01daurnimatoryou can see what it can already do
11:59:12daurnimatorbut. mainly was to show you how the exploit looks
11:59:17daurnimatoryou run an avi
11:59:37linuxstbDo you have to do that every time you want to run an alternative firmware?
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12:00:02linuxstbOr just the initial install of the bootloader?
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12:13:10daurnimatoruh
12:13:21daurnimatorat the moment, yes
12:13:31daurnimatortheres only a couple of devs
12:13:41daurnimatorand no one wants to risk anything
12:13:48daurnimator - firmware is stored on flash
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12:18:49linuxstbdaurnimator: OK, that's understandable.
12:18:57linuxstbBut defintiely needs fixing...
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12:21:47webguest38hi a question - where are all the daily builds? http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml is virtually blank! please help...
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12:23:12linuxstbhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/ - scroll down to the bottom and choose the folder for your player.
12:23:37webguest38ah great, thanks linuxstb
12:23:51linuxstbOr just download a bleeding-edge/CVS build - there is no real difference.
12:24:22linuxstb(the daily build is just the CVS build from a certain time each day).
12:24:22pixelmathat doesn't help.... there are no dailies of the 30th (for example Ipod mini...)
12:25:02linuxstbLooks like the server needs some loving care and attention...
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12:31:02daurnimatorJdGordon: so, you going to fed square or what?
12:31:14JdGordonhope not
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12:45:15doktoreashi to all!
12:46:24Everybodywait
12:46:28Everybodydamn why did that happen
12:46:40Everybody|sorry
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12:49:40doktoreasare daily build offline?
12:50:45Genre9mp3doktoreas: Something seems to be wrong atm, try a CVS build instead
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12:53:38doktoreasi discovered rockbox this morning
12:55:07bluebrotherdoktoreas, use a cvs build or go to http://download.rockbox.org/daily
12:56:50doktoreasbluebrother, thank you very much
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13:00:10muckerHi I was thinking of buying a sansa c200 player. I was wondering if it is possible to port rockbox to it?
13:01:04bluebrothermucker, you're aware of the fact that porting Rockbox is a major task?
13:01:24bluebrotherread the NewPorts wiki page for some information about porting
13:01:32linuxstbi.e. months of hard work...
13:01:41Genre9mp3mucker: why not going for an e200 instead?
13:02:19muckerI'm interested in starting it as a hobby
13:02:46muckeri've got a working knowledge of C but don't have any knowledge of embededded programming
13:02:55bluebrotherwhy not start working on Rockbox with an already working device?
13:03:18bluebrotherthe e200 series needs still work ... and the other ports also have room for improvements
13:03:47doktoreassorry is this line ok for backup firmware? ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda2 -r bootpartition.bin
13:03:56muckeri already a h120 running on rockbox
13:03:57doktoreasor /media/IPOD ?
13:04:02linuxstbmucker: You should find out some things before trying a port - mainly what CPU is in the device, and how easy it will be to safely run your own code (i.e. is the firmware encrypted, is there a safe recovery method when your code crashes).
13:04:22linuxstbThat will make the difference between a (relatively) easy and hard port.
13:04:43doktoreasdf -h says that my ipod is here /dev/sda2 3.8G 2.1G 1.8G 54% /media/IPOD
13:05:13linuxstbThe CPU needs to be supported by GCC, and it will be a great help if a datasheet is publically available. If there's no datasheet, you'll need to reverse-engineer the existing firmware.
13:05:20muckerI had did a search on it and found some system schematics which I'd assume come in handy with embedded programming?
13:05:36bluebrotherdoktoreas, while I don't know exactly as I don't own an ipod I guess you'll need to use the disk instead of the partition, i.e. /dev/sda
13:05:37linuxstbmucker: Yes. Does that list the major chips?
13:05:48doktoreasnow fine sorry
13:05:57doktoreasi need to run by root
13:06:07doktoreasand so −−scan found the ipod
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13:07:45muckeri had did the search last night but unfortunately it was just the device dissasembbled
13:07:49muckerhears the link http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/11/sandisk-sansa-c200-disassembled.php
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13:11:18doktoreaslol it's blocked with an usb icon
13:11:31doktoreasis there any way to rset it?
13:12:15linuxstbmucker: I don't recognise any of those chips as being the CPU...
13:13:23mickael___any way to make the ipod asking me what OS to run?
13:13:56doktoreasis there a way to reset it?
13:13:58pixelmadoktoreas: using one of the latest daily builds?
13:14:01mickael___doktoreas: try menu+select during some seconds, when it's blocked
13:14:01doktoreasyes
13:14:29doktoreasselect?
13:14:39linuxstbmickael___: You could use the "loader2" bootloader written for the ipodlinux project. That gives you a boot menu.
13:14:52linuxstb(and also loads Rockbox).
13:15:18doktoreasok rebooted
13:15:37pixelmahold menu+select (center button) to reboot (unplugged usb) - then when you see the apple while it's rebooting press select+play - then you'd have to install an older daily (27th worked here)
13:15:44doktoreasi see a menu with clanedar Contacts Notes and rockbox
13:15:46mickael___linuxstb: i install the linuxipod boot loader, and put the rockbock files into the root directory of the ipod?
13:15:50daurnimatorlinuxstb: what are you thinking about the 402?
13:15:56linuxstbdoktoreas: That's the file browser, not a menu.
13:16:02doktoreasif i select rockbox it bring me back to this
13:16:06doktoreasahhhhhh
13:16:11doktoreasso i can put file in there?
13:16:28daurnimatori just haven't gone further for: 1, lack of time; 2, i can't brick it - i have no money, it has NO recovery things, one bad flash and its gone.
13:17:07linuxstbmickael___: Yes.
13:17:30linuxstbdaurnimator: I haven't decided. I'm busy with mpegplayer at the moment.
13:17:32muckerlinuxstb: thanks I've tried doing a web search for the device CPU but nothing has come up, I'll try a more thorough look later on or find a forum where I will get info
13:18:10mickael___ok linuxstb, but i saw that the ipod nano is not officially supported by ipodlinux
13:18:11daurnimatormucker: why have you picker the c200?
13:18:30linuxstbMaybe start a thread in the Rockbox "New Ports" forum (if there isn't one already). If you post the link to that dissection article, maybe someone can help identify the components.
13:18:59linuxstbmickael___: IPL doesn't officially support anything newer than the third generation. But it works.
13:19:12mickael___ok linuxstb thanks
13:19:42muckermickael___ : nobody's done it which makes it a challenge and it's relitvely cheap
13:20:23linuxstbmucker: One thing you could do is to try and find a firmware upgrade file (if any exist), and examine it.
13:20:39daurnimatori don't know why anyone would buy a player with a hard limit of less than 4gb
13:20:40linuxstbThat should give you a hint about how easy it will be to add your own code.
13:23:37mickael___just another question : installing other os can damage my ipod, reduce its lifespan?
13:24:24mickael___(without changing anything in the debug menu ;)
13:24:37linuxstbAny H300 users around who want to test mpegplayer with audio?
13:24:51linuxstb(or X5)
13:24:59*Genre9mp3 raises hand! :)
13:25:09linuxstbWhich do you have?
13:25:12Genre9mp3H300
13:26:26linuxstbFirstly download one of the .mpg files in http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ - it's probably only worth trying the smaller one.
13:27:23linuxstbDo you want a rockbox.zip or a patch?
13:27:38Genre9mp3patch please :)
13:27:54linuxstbOK, just don't look at the code... It's not yet presentable. :)
13:28:13Genre9mp3hehe
13:31:01linuxstbhttp://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpegplayer-v3.diff
13:31:01*Genre9mp3 has fired-up VMware and (can't) wait
13:31:08Genre9mp3thanx!
13:32:11linuxstbThat includes a lot of PortalPlayer-specific changes to Rockbox as well (the kernel-on-cop patch), but that shouldn't affect the h300 builds.
13:33:50*Genre9mp3 is compiling now
13:34:42muckerlinuxstb: cheers, I'll have a look and try to find answers to your questions
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13:41:19linuxstbGenre9mp3; Still compiling?
13:41:52Genre9mp3nope
13:42:01Genre9mp3I'm listening to the videos... ;)
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13:42:13linuxstbI hate to ask, but at what FPS?
13:42:47Angryman_H10If someone of the devs here has a little time and could register me to the wiki it wold be very appreciated ;-)
13:42:47Genre9mp3176x128 @ 14-15fps
13:42:57linuxstbI think I forgot to mention that it will probably crash, so you'll need to reset...
13:43:13linuxstbThat's not too shabby. Have you downloaded the 224x176 mpg?
13:43:19Genre9mp3though it already crashed twice with PANIC stkov main
13:43:37webguest26hi can someone please say me how to delete my wiki/flyspray account? i don't feel comfortable anymore with my realname and emailadress there
13:43:45Genre9mp3don't worry, I have pins around
13:44:02linuxstbGenre9mp3: OK... Try increasing the stack size in line 180 of firmware/app.lds
13:44:16linuxstbOr maybe it's another problem...
13:44:23Genre9mp3ok... let me test the 224x176 first
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13:44:49linuxstbIs the stkov error random, or appearing in the same place?
13:45:01Genre9mp3224x128 that is
13:45:23Genre9mp3first time was earlier but I was pushing some buttons
13:45:51linuxstbIs the sound working perfectly, or are there any skips?
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13:46:06Genre9mp3no skips
13:46:39Genre9mp3sound... sounds perfect! :)
13:47:22linuxstbIf you have chance, it would be interesting if you could test the .m2v versions of those .mpg files with the old mpegplayer and post the framerates you get for comparison.
13:47:48Genre9mp3sure
13:48:00Genre9mp3224x128 @ around 11fps! :)
13:48:21Genre9mp3and didn't crash till now
13:48:54linuxstbCan you try changing line 180 of firmare/app.lds to 0x2200 instead of 0x2400?
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13:49:07linuxstbThat will reduce the stack size (it's 0x2000 in CVS).
13:49:10Genre9mp3of course everything is out of sync, should I try with skip frames, too?
13:49:38linuxstbI think your random stackov crashes are caused by something else overwriting the stack - i.e. not a "real" stack overflow.
13:50:08linuxstbskip frames probably won't help. You'll need to encode a file with a lower framerate.
13:50:24linuxstbIf you enable skip frames, it probably won't display any frames at all...
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13:50:41JdGordondid I read audio+vid in mpegplayer?
13:50:48linuxstbJdGordon: Indeed :)
13:50:57Genre9mp3ok the second one (224x128) didn't crash... It played (the sound till the end)/ the video was still back) and then exited
13:51:00JdGordonawesome, wel done
13:51:04linuxstbScroll back for the patch I gave Genre9mp3
13:51:16JdGordonGenre9mp3: what target are you testing on?
13:51:22Genre9mp3H340
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13:51:45JdGordonok, ill grab my sisters nano and see wha happens
13:51:45linuxstbIt can do almost 30fps full-screen with audio on the Nano...
13:51:52JdGordonnice
13:52:08linuxstb(making use of the COP for the video decoding)
13:52:58JdGordonactually, I cant get it
13:53:03linuxstbGenre9mp3; If you encode your own videos, make sure to resample the audio to 44.1KHz. It can be either mp2 or mp3, and multiplexed into an MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 program stream.
13:53:14JdGordon11fps is only slightly leess than the OF on h300 so well done
13:53:42*Genre9mp3 recompiles with 0x2200
13:53:43linuxstbThere are still mirak's optimisation patches in flyspray which haven't been applied yet, so it should do more.
13:54:08Genre9mp3linuxstb: Wouldn't these patches need updating?
13:54:11linuxstbAlso, that test video has relatively high bitrate audio (170kbps lame-encoded VBR).
13:54:33linuxstbGenre9mp3: What do you mean?
13:54:38linuxstbOh, mirak's patches?
13:54:41Genre9mp3yes
13:55:08linuxstbI've no idea... The ASM optimisations should still apply cleanly, but the IRAM patches may now conflict with libmad's use of IRAM.
13:55:37Genre9mp3ok... I'll retry now with the change you've point to me
13:56:34linuxstbI'm not sure what to do about the stack size - whether it would be acceptable to increase Rockbox's main stack by 10%, or if I should dig into libmad to reduce its stack usage...
13:58:43Genre9mp3hmmm... I got a PANIC stkov dircache :/
13:58:52Genre9mp3while booting
13:59:04linuxstbThat's odd...
13:59:12linuxstbYou changed it to 0x2000 ?
13:59:18Genre9mp3yes
13:59:25linuxstbI mean 0x2200?
13:59:36Genre9mp3eer... yes... 0x2200
13:59:44Genre9mp3again... I can't boot
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14:00:12Genre9mp3btw I've seen such reports in MisticRiver lately
14:00:24Genre9mp3(Panic with dircache)
14:00:40linuxstbSo maybe it's unrelated.
14:00:58Genre9mp3never had it before... I managed to boot now with cleared settings
14:01:01*linuxstb wonders why there are so many reports on misticriver and not here...
14:02:13Genre9mp3nope... again PANIC stkov while playing the 176x128 mpg
14:02:44linuxstbCan you try again and see if it happens in the same place. A "real" stkov should be repeatable.
14:03:36Genre9mp3hmmm... seems like it was in the same place
14:03:44Genre9mp3I'll retry
14:04:05linuxstbOK, then you'll probably need to increase the stack size again.
14:04:33Genre9mp33rd time in the same place
14:04:49Genre9mp3so what I should test now?
14:05:15linuxstbTry 0x2300...
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14:05:26Genre9mp3ok
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14:06:33Genre9mp3btw... the original patch was at 2400
14:07:11Genre9mp3s/patch/value
14:08:24Genre9mp3http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50350
14:08:35Genre9mp3^about the PANIC with dircache
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14:11:56Genre9mp3with 0x2300: PANIC just right after finished buffering (the file didn't start)
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14:12:06Genre9mp3I think it needs 0x2400+
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14:13:56linuxstbOK. 0x2100 seems to be enough on my ipod...
14:13:56Genre9mp3should I try with 0x2500?
14:14:20linuxstbWhy not.
14:14:28Genre9mp3ok
14:16:42Genre9mp3linuxstb: also, can you point me to mirak's patch. I want to try if it patches cleanly
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14:17:47linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5995
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14:19:42linuxstbWhat does the original firmware on the H300 support for video? Is it 10fps?
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14:20:41Genre9mp310fps MPEG4 (XVID)
14:20:50Genre9mp3full screen
14:21:33JdGordonisnt it 15fps?
14:21:42Genre9mp3nope.. 10fps
14:24:06Genre9mp3no PANIC at 0x2500 so far :)
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14:26:20JdGordonif its just dircache stkovin can you just increase its stack size instead of the default_size define?
14:26:32Genre9mp3176x128 is stabilized at 14fps now :)
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14:30:47Genre9mp3and 224x128 at 11.7fps
14:30:56linuxstbGenre9mp3: I'm impressed at the speed. I was expecting more of a slow-down, but I guess libmad is very well optimised for Coldfire, so it's not affecting video speed that significantly.
14:31:15linuxstbBut I can't remember the old fps figures...
14:31:46Genre9mp3Well I can try with a clean CVS build... just a moment
14:32:00linuxstbI'll try to encode some more versions of elephants dream at 12fps - that should work OK with frameskip enabled.
14:32:53linuxstbBut my preferred mpeg encoded (mpeg2enc) refuses to encode at unofficial framerates, so I'll have to use mencoder/ffmpeg.
14:32:59linuxstbs/encoded/encoder/
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14:38:12Genre9mp3with CVS build and 224x128 (no sound) I get: 18.8fps instead of 11.7fps (with sound)
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14:39:22fleytin Since new folks arrived here I will repeat my question. (sorry for bothering others). Has anyone succesfully compiled rockbox with the patch 6331 applied?
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14:42:33Genre9mp3linuxstb: mirak's patch has also an idct.c file, do you know where I have to place it?
14:43:06linuxstbIn apps/plugins/mpegplayer/ I would guess.
14:44:16linuxstbAnd thanks for the "old" fps value. So it looks like audio decoding is about 35% of CPU.
14:44:22Genre9mp3hmm.. it already exists
14:45:26linuxstbOdd.. Try just replacing it then.
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14:49:41Genre9mp3I'll first try without replacing it... (he doesn't mentions anything about it though in the tracker)
14:50:06linuxstbDoes the diff itself include changes to idct.c?
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14:50:19Genre9mp3yes... that's why I found it a bit odd
14:50:34linuxstbHave you done a diff between the patched idct.c and the one on the tracker?
14:50:55Genre9mp3nope, not yet
14:51:16Genre9mp3All I know is that the one in the tracker is slightly smaller
14:51:41linuxstbHopefully mirak will see the progress with mpegplayer and come back to work...
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14:59:44Genre9mp3ok with mirak's patch I get, 176x128 with sound: 18.4fps instead of 14fps and 224x128 with sound: 15.1fps instead of 11.7fps
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15:00:24linuxstbNice...
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15:02:17linuxstbSo it should be beating iriver's player with full-screen video.
15:03:22muesli-18fps on iriver with sound? thats neat!
15:03:36linuxstbNot full-screen though...
15:03:36Genre9mp3yes... I think we are already ahead on this :)
15:03:45muesli-wohoo :)
15:03:51daurnimatoroh
15:03:56daurnimatorlinuxstb
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15:04:00muesli-at what audio bitrate btw?
15:04:19linuxstbThat's a 170kbps Stereo 44.1kbps lame-encoded VBR MP3.
15:04:22daurnimatorDYN, 402 can play back 30fps divx/xvid at up to 720x576 nativly
15:04:24daurnimatorwith no lag
15:04:30daurnimatorlooks awesome - scaling is great
15:04:47linuxstbdaurnimator: That's too easy... :)
15:04:52muesli-mmh..wud decreasing to ie 128k fix increase fps?
15:04:56linuxstbit's more fun doing video on players with no power...
15:05:02muesli-lol
15:05:05Genre9mp3linuxstb: btw, when I do "open with..." mpegplayer, it takes me to mpegplayers menu and doesn't try to directly play the movie
15:05:31daurnimatorlinuxstb: oh, you will
15:05:32daurnimatorit uses the dsp
15:05:34Genre9mp3while If I select an .m2v file it plays it immediately
15:05:34linuxstbGenre9mp3: Yes, that's a temporary fix because the menu no longer works in the video player itself. So it shows the menu at the start to allow you to change settings.
15:05:42daurnimatorwhich - unless we steal closed code from neuros
15:05:47daurnimatorwe can't use for video decoding
15:06:00Genre9mp3linuxstb: Ah ok.... good to know that
15:06:22Genre9mp3and I noticed that I couldn't go to the menu when playing so this explains it
15:06:22muesli-Genre9mp3 wud decreasing audio bitrate to ie 128k fix increase fps?
15:06:41Genre9mp3muesli-: haven't tried... probably a little
15:06:54linuxstbdaurnimator: Sounds similar to the ipod 5g's Broadcom chip. We could run the Apple firmware on the broadcom chip and try to communicate with that, but that kind of thing isn't really satisfactory.
15:07:02daurnimatoryou will most likely end up just having an arm9 @ between 81 & 180mhz
15:07:13muesli-i mean sound quality isnt that important in movies (if you ask me)
15:07:29daurnimatorbut, we still can do scaling ;)
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15:07:50daurnimatortheres a chip on dm320 just for scaling
15:07:58linuxstbmuesli: mpegplayer uses libmad, so it will play any audio libmad accepts. Main limitation is that (at the moment) it needs to be 44.1Khz. But it should be relatively easy to support 22.050KHz if there's a demand.
15:08:04muesli-goin down to lower bitrate and earning higher fps its a neat compromise imho
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15:08:32linuxstbmuesli: The choice is yours - get encoding...
15:08:37muesli-;)
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15:28:07Craig_i'm having some trouble installing rockbox on 30gb ipod video - i get the "model name in input file <ctyp> doesn't match ipod model <ipvd> error
15:28:12Craig_can anyone help?
15:28:56linuxstbWhat is the command-line you typed?
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15:29:57Craig_ipodpatcher 3 (my device name) -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod
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15:30:28Craig_basically exactly what is detailed in the manual
15:30:50linuxstbWhere did you get the bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod file from, and how big (in bytes) is it?
15:31:18Craig_its a kilobyte and i got it off the downloads section from the link in the manual
15:31:43linuxstbTry downloading it again. It looks like a bad download.
15:31:54Craig_http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipod%20video.ipod
15:32:03linuxstbThere's no %20 in the URL...
15:32:16Craig_i have already downloaded again, and no i realise that it's just the way i copied the link
15:32:51Craig_well actually, when i click through from this page in the manual it says not found http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html
15:32:53linuxstbJust delete the %20, and that should work.
15:33:00Craig_so i right clicked and save target
15:33:05Craig_well, save link
15:33:12linuxstbThat would just save the "not found" message...
15:33:56Craig_do you know what the problem is then? i thought it was a server problem at first but it's been that way for ages
15:33:59linuxstbBut yes, there's a bug in the manual inserting that extra space.
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15:34:15linuxstbCraig_: I've told you twice :) Remove the %20 from the URL.
15:34:34Craig_got it - sorru
15:34:41Craig_sorry*
15:34:42Craig_thanks :_)
15:34:44linuxstbno problem.
15:35:07Craig_thats more like it - 59kb!
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15:35:55Craig_done! thanks again
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15:45:22linuxstbHere's a 12fps version of ED for the H300: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-ffmpeg-224x176-12fps-170kbps.mpg
15:45:37linuxstb(full-screen 4:3 version).
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15:52:02Genre9mp3linuxstb I got 9.6fps with that file
15:53:59Juice^will be so nice when there is sound on the sansa e200 =D im running the different plugins to test it out now
15:54:49Genre9mp3linuxstb: And If I don't messed up with the builds this is with the mirak's optimisations, too
15:54:59Juice^starfield is quite nice. lol
15:56:43linuxstbGenre9mp3: I probably need to try and fine-tune ffmpeg's encoding settings - it seems to generate harder-to-decode files than mpeg2enc.
15:56:59linuxstbMaybe it's B-frames, I don't think mpeg2enc uses them by default.
15:57:44Genre9mp3linuxstb: It's with the mirak's optimisation patch. Just confirmed it
15:57:54linuxstbHmm... Then time to read the mencoder manpage.
15:58:02Genre9mp3but the video is full screen anyway
15:58:08linuxstbHave you tried encoding anything yourself?
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15:58:24Genre9mp3224x176 and not 224x128
15:58:38Genre9mp3linuxstb: No I didn't
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16:00:33Juice^hehe... i found a bug in the pong game on sansa, not sure if its on every player, but i got the ball captured all down on the right corner just staying there going up and down for ever
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16:01:48linuxstbSeems mencoder doesn't use b-frames by default either...
16:02:29linuxstbI'll try reducing the number of I-frames...
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16:07:30SoapI start creating a whole mess of mpeg files with varied settings in a bit. It appears RMAA has fugged up my sound card drivers, I need to get that sorted out.
16:07:41SoapI'll
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16:08:37linuxstbDo you have a freely-distributable video to encode? It would be nice to make more files available on download.rockbox.org to measure optimisation improvements.
16:10:14SoapI'll use something open.
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16:14:48Soapis there a link to the subset of elephants dream used
16:14:50Soap?
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16:20:25Soapor am I mistaken and you all have been encoding the full film?
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16:33:47yossawhat is the difference of adding an EXAMPLE_ACTION_PRE BUTTON1 before actual EXAMPLE_ACTION ( BUTTON1 | BUTTON2 ) sequence in button configuration versus not adding that line?
16:34:59daurnimatorwhat are the cmd line progs for musepack?
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16:53:09pixelmayossa: I _think_ with the "pre" it will be possible to hold the button1 first and then press button2 additionally - without it the user has to press the two buttons at the same time (I'm not completely sure)
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16:54:22bluetwhere can i get the fonts?
16:54:58yossapixelma: I thought so too - thing is, it appears to be working like you described it would be with "pre" even if the line's not there. Oh well... testing, testing, testing
16:55:59bluethttp://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=fonts am i supposed to get the fonts from this page?
16:57:22Kingsqueakbluet: the install instructions in the manual section for your player should have a link to the fonts
16:57:42bluetthey all link to that page
16:57:44Kingsqueakbluet: you just unzip them in the root of the player's drive most likely, but that may change player to player
16:57:47Kingsqueakah
16:57:58pixelmathe dailies (also fonts) are broken at the moment, try http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/
16:58:22bluetthanks
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17:01:16bluetand is the h10_5gb for the 5 GB version only or also the 6 GB version?
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17:07:52Juice^im amazed.... rockbox and viewing images :D it wops the originals firmware's ass so much. you couldnt zoom or view large images on the sansa
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17:10:34linuxstbSoap: I've been encoding the full film. It's not that long...
17:10:46Soapcan do
17:11:00linuxstbI've been using the high-definition version (i.e. the highest quality available).
17:11:16ElPenguinrockbox seems from the site to be so much better than ipodlinux. that thing was a sham really, considering the linux based installer didn't work. the irony...
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17:11:18SoapI'll start encoding w/various variables and make a .torrent if I can figure out how.
17:11:26Soapahh, I downloaded the 1024 version.
17:11:30Soapcan change.
17:11:50linuxstbI doubt the difference would be noticable when resizing down to our targets...
17:12:11Soapthat's what I was thinking, since we are well over the 2:1 ratio
17:12:25Soapand this computer is slow enough as it is.
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17:16:33linuxstbElPenguin: You're preaching to the converted :) But don't forget that without ipodlinux, Rockbox wouldn't be running on the ipods (we used their knowledge to port Rockbox).
17:17:16ElPenguinlinuxstb: yeah. i found rockbox purely by accident. never got ipodlinux running because their documentation for manual install was so sparse and their linux installer sucked.
17:17:20linuxstbSoap: What encoder(s) are you trying?
17:17:58ElPenguinlinuxstb: is iRony worth an attempt or should i just go for a manual install?
17:18:02SoapI'm going to use TMPGEnc because I'm familiar enough with it to take full control over ever aspect of the mpg stream.
17:18:33linuxstbOK. I'll be interested to compare the output with mpeg2enc.
17:18:46Soapif I find a great balance of quality/size/speed it shouldn't be hard to dupluicate the settings with another program.
17:19:08Soapbut it will be easier (for me) to find said settings with a program I am very comfortable with.
17:19:14linuxstbDoes TMPGEnc transcode from all the common formats?
17:19:35linuxstbElPenguin: I don't even know what iRony is.
17:19:36SoapWindows has the advantage of being able to take anything as input you have a directshow filter for.
17:19:53ElPenguinlinuxstb: some rockbox installer by mako.cc
17:20:13linuxstbThen no. I wouldn't trust any unofficial Rockbox installers - do the manual way.
17:20:18Soapso, TMPGEnc (in theory) can transcode anything you can play.
17:20:21ElPenguinokay
17:20:22ElPenguinta
17:20:31linuxstbThe new instructions are just a couple of commands, so if you're happy in the terminal, it's a breeze.
17:20:40Soapand anything it has problems with can be frame-served by a better front end.
17:20:59ElPenguini'm happy in the terminal :) i'll do that
17:21:37ElPenguinlinuxstb: how bleeding is the bleeding edge? i'm unfamiliar with the state rockbox devs commit code in
17:22:11thegeeknot a bloody stump, but it can be raw;P
17:22:17linuxstbThe bleeding edge build is what is generally recommended to use. So developers shouldn't break it...
17:22:28ElPenguinit's generally recommended? hrm...
17:22:30Juice^I wish i could help to get themes up running for the sansa
17:22:57linuxstbElPenguin: For the ipods, I would say IT IS RECOMMENDED.
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17:23:15ElPenguinlinuxstb: surely not that much code gets committed in a day over the christmas season?
17:23:17linuxstbFor the older Archos targets, there is the stable v2.5 release, which people may prefer.
17:23:32ElPenguinoh, there are no dailies...
17:23:50linuxstbThe dailies have no special status, it's just the bleeding edge build at a certain time of day.
17:24:09linuxstbThe difference is that they are archived for 30 days.
17:24:48linuxstbAnd yes, for some reason the dailies didn't appear to work last night...
17:25:25ElPenguinif i wanted to compile from source would i have to set up a new arm toolchain?
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17:25:57linuxstbYes. There's a script in the tools/ directory in the source to do that for you (rockboxdev.sh). It downloads the gcc and binutils source and compiles it.
17:26:18ElPenguinhrm, tempting
17:27:10linuxstbAre you planning on coding?
17:27:19ElPenguinit depends on how much i like rb ;)
17:27:45linuxstbIf you don't like it, there's more coding to do...
17:27:48nls_webheh
17:27:48pixelmalinuxstb: and the last one's seem to have problems (at least ipod mini 2nd gen of 28th/29th - it didn't automatically reboot into disk mode - though everything works as expected when I compiled my own from an updated source...)
17:28:18linuxstbpixelma: I hate bugs like that...
17:29:38ElPenguinlinuxstb: where can i grab the fonts from if there are no dailies?
17:30:36linuxstbhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/
17:30:36pixelmaElPenguin: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/
17:30:45pixelmahaha
17:30:49linuxstbEither of those places...
17:31:55Coldtoastthe gapless on teh 5.5G ipod is neat
17:32:05Coldtoastthe Apple firmware gapless
17:33:53Soappseudo gapless on apple.
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17:35:19Coldtoastif the switch from one track to another is seamless, how is that pseudo?
17:35:33Coldtoastthere are no gaps=gapless
17:35:50linuxstbWhy only on the 5.5G though, and not every ipod?
17:36:03linuxstbThey all have the same CPU...
17:36:03mdkehi there. the helpful people in here yesterday pointed me towards a cpufreq3 patch to try and see if it stops my ipod 1st gen mini from crashing. It has worked ok, but now the ipod is getting low on battery I'm seeing regular crashes. Is there some way I can help by giving a bug report/trace or something?
17:36:03Coldtoastdon't care how it's done. if I hear no gap, it's gapless. heh
17:36:17Soapbecause a-"gapless playback" has a specific definition which apples implementation does not do. B-Apple's guesstimation fails on some albums.
17:36:17ElPenguinpixelma: ta
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17:38:41thunderwolf318at the dailybuilds page i dont see anything besites a header and after it says "Daily Builds" in big black letters the page is blank
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17:39:09linuxstbthunderwolf318: Just use a bleeding edge build, or see if it's fixed tomorrow.
17:39:21Soapya, thunderwolf318, it seems to be borked at this time, and linuxstb beat me,
17:39:26thunderwolf318i need the font package first
17:39:31*linuxstb looks around for an op to change the topic.
17:39:34linuxstbhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/
17:39:40thunderwolf318thanks
17:40:09Coldtoastwith vid playback, there's about as much chance of rb supporting h.264 as there is of it supporting wma right?
17:40:17Coldtoasti.e. not going to happen?
17:40:29linuxstbColdtoast: Whatever people choose to work on will happen...
17:40:30mdkeanyone
17:40:33mdke?
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17:41:31linuxstbmdke: You could post your findings as a comment to that patch on the patch tracker. I can't offer anything in the way of a solution though....
17:42:00mdkelinuxstb: ok. My findings so far as limited to "it crashes" though... I'd like to be of a bit more use
17:42:04mdkes/as/are
17:43:07linuxstbDescribe what happens in detail. What do you mean by "crash"? i.e. does Rockbox freeze and become unresponsive, or is an error displayed? What are you doing when it crashes?
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17:43:28linuxstbCan you provide a reliable recipe to recreate it?
17:43:54linuxstbThe most important thing is for a developer to be able to recreate the bug, otherwise he/she can't attempt to fix it.
17:44:31mdkelinuxstb: it makes a pop sound and turns off. It happens every time I try to play a song and am low on battery, I think
17:45:10linuxstbThat's sounds like normal low-battery behaviour.
17:45:10Soapthat sounds like a battery which drops voltage under load.
17:45:27mdkeoh.
17:45:36mdkeI would have expected some kind of message when the thing is out of battery
17:45:56mdkeglad it's not a crash then, anyway :)
17:45:56linuxstbNo, Rockbox doesn't shutdown on low battery, but your ipod does.
17:46:00Soapas in the hard drive spins to load up the song, and a battery which measures 3.3 volts with no load all of a sudden measures 3.0 volts when load is applied.
17:46:22maxkelleysay, how do I setup a rockbox dev environment on linux?
17:46:44mdkelinuxstb: with the Apple firmware, I get a little picture that tells me the battery is out, so I expected something similar with Rockbox. There is nothing like that?
17:46:46linuxstb1) Download the Rockbox source; 2) cd tools ; 3) ./rockboxdev.sh; 4) wait...
17:47:11maxkelleyah, ok :) thank you, linuxstb
17:48:12linuxstbmdke: Not as far as I know.
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17:48:43mdkeoh right. There seems to be enough battery for me to play songs with the Apple firmware, maybe it cuts out slightly later than rockbox
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17:49:13mdkeoh, it's pretty low. Fine!
17:49:20linuxstbRockbox is known to use more power than the Apple firmware, but I'm surprised the Apple firmware can play music when Rockbox can't.
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17:50:47maxkelleyhehe
17:51:11ElPenguinyay, music moving back over to pc so i can install rb
17:51:19mdkelinuxstb: thanks for your help
17:51:30linuxstbYou're welcom.
17:51:32linuxstb^e
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18:04:03miso91On the last step of the new bootloader's setup, I get the error that says "−−add-bootloader failed."
18:04:11miso91Any explanation to that?
18:05:31miso91I'm using Windows on an iPod Nano 1st gen
18:05:40miso91with*
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18:11:29miso91fixed
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18:15:04Juice^any sansa people here?
18:15:17Soaplinuxstb: which ipod target do you have?
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18:37:13PaulPositionOoohhh, I said it yesterday but I love crossfeed! Thanks to whomever is responsible for its inclusion in Rockbox. I'm just, like, re-visiting my "woohoo stereo!" 70s' records.. Vangelis' Spiral sounds unreal.
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18:43:06Vyrus001does rockbox support video in the x5's ?
18:43:41Genre9mp3Vyrus001: Yes and soon with sound
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18:44:51bro2baseballi have a question for a dev
18:44:57bro2baseballi'm using cygwin for the first time
18:45:12bro2baseballand i downloaded the cvs, how do i get into the cvs folder
18:45:20bro2baseballto add patches
18:45:39Vyrus001Genre9mp3, oh ? i didnt see anything poste din the docs
18:45:50Vyrus001what formats does it wok with...?
18:46:06nls_webmpeg 1 and 2
18:46:19Vyrus001hm... i tried copin a vob and it didnt work ?
18:46:42bro2baseballdid you use the converter on the wiki page??
18:47:05nls_webVyrus001: it's not in an official build yet, the included plugin mpegplayer can only play video streams without sound
18:47:59PaulPositionbro2baseball: In shell, you just type 'cd foldername' ... 'cd ..' to go back up one level. That's pretty basic stuff.. 'mkdir foldername' to create a new dir..
18:48:41Vyrus001hm
18:49:02Vyrus001musta missed where thats coverd
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18:57:51Juice^http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy : the link at the bottom thats supposed to link for free legal gb roms is dead. what about linking to this one? http://www.zophar.net/roms.phtml?op=show&type=gb
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18:59:25Soapdang, Yar's Revenge!
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19:00:00SoapI don't see how all of those are "clean" in a copyright sense.
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19:00:32SoapUltima III is the one which catches my eye. Maybe they don't mean "port" but "clone"?
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19:01:25Juice^probably clone
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19:04:43maxkelleyJuice^: sansa.. what model?
19:07:38Juice^e200
19:07:48Juice^e270 to be exact
19:08:05Juice^was just playing chess on it
19:08:08Juice^:)
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19:10:05Juice^looks like doom needs some keys remapped
19:11:06nls_webther's a patch for that in the tracker
19:12:08Juice^ok
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19:12:21Juice^i need to recompile it then right
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19:24:42linuxstbSoap: I have both a Photo and Video.
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19:25:17Soapwhen playing photo-sized videos on my 5thGen, the FPS display is cut in half.
19:25:26SoapI'm trying to get a picture uploaded so I can show you.
19:26:21linuxstbGenre9mp3: A version of ED encoded at 12fps with I-Frames every 100 frames is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-ffmpeg-224x176-12fps-170kbps-v2.mpg
19:26:28linuxstbSoap: I guess you're not using the system font?
19:26:52linuxstbThe lcd_update_rect() is hardcoded to assume the system font...
19:27:25Soapok
19:27:28Soapduh
19:28:18nls_webmaybe put rb->lcd_setfont(FONT_SYSFIXED); somewhere?
19:28:43linuxstbDo I need to restore the user's font?
19:29:00nls_webdon't think so
19:29:17linuxstbI'll check plugin.c to see what it does when the plugin returns.
19:30:17linuxstbIt seems plugin.c does nothing with the fonts, so I should restore.
19:30:19SoapI should have a stack of 4thGen sized movies ready by tomorrow, but at 100mins each, it will take me a while. Thank god for batch encoding.
19:31:01linuxstbIt takes 100 minutes to encode, or that's how long the movie is?
19:31:15Soapit takes 100 mins to encode on this machine.
19:32:13linuxstbIs the version of TMPGEnc that you're using free?
19:32:26Soapfree for MPEG1
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19:32:59Soapnot for MPEG2
19:33:06linuxstbWhat are you using?
19:33:09Soapwhich is why I'm running it on this old machine.
19:33:28SoapI'm running the paid version.
19:33:38Genre9mp3linuxstb: ok, I'll test it know
19:33:49linuxstbAre you encoding both MPEG1 and MPEG2 samples?
19:33:52Soapyes
19:34:29Genre9mp3linuxstb: I suppose that I should get around 11fps since I get 15fps with 224x128
19:34:46Soapmy suspicion is that at such small sizes mpeg2 won't offer much.
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19:35:26linuxstbI don't know what the differences are...
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19:38:14Genre9mp39.6fps exactly the same as previous IIRC
19:39:08linuxstbOK, I'll convert the old 224x176 (24fps) mpeg2enc version to .mpg - it would be interesting to see what that gets.
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19:46:44Genre9mp3linuxstb: I use the batch file for VLC to create videos, how do I alter it to multiplex sound?
19:47:50dionoea#transcode{vcodec=......,acodec=mp3,ab=128}:std{access=file,mux=ps,dst=thefilename.mpg}
19:48:14Genre9mp3dionoea: thanks
19:48:25jeffbtranscode is awesome
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19:54:27linuxstbYou also need to ensure the audio is 44.1KHz.
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19:58:20linuxstbGenre9mp3: The 24fps (mpeg2enc-encoded) 224x176 version: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-224x176-469kbps.mpg
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19:59:20bluetdoes rockbox support ums?
19:59:29Genre9mp3doh! VLC doesn't recognize paths with greek chars (like "Desktop in Greek" on Greek Windows XP) - that's it didn't work
19:59:33Genre9mp3that's why
19:59:41Genre9mp3linuxstb: ok
19:59:47markunbluet: nothing else
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20:00:14linuxstbbluet: All the targets Rockbox works on have hardware ums.
20:00:36bluetdmesg doesn't show anything when i plug in my h10
20:00:46bluetwhile it runs rockbox, that is
20:01:05linuxstbAh, the H10s may be different... But it's a feature of the H10, not Rockbox as such.
20:01:30bluetokay
20:01:37*linuxstb looks around for someone that knows about the H10
20:01:41bluetat least it reboots pretty fast :)
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20:01:59markunbluet: you probably have to wait till rockbox has a USB stack
20:02:49bluetwill it have one?
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20:07:23mechanorishould i be using the daily build for a fourth generation ipod?
20:08:16mechanorialso, can i revert to the original firmware after the installation?
20:08:32Genre9mp3linuxstb: 10.9fps
20:08:37nls_webthat or cvs, or an official with a patch that may fix the freezing issues
20:09:12Genre9mp3linuxstb: btw, all these results are with mirak's patch, too
20:09:12nls_webmechanori: and yes, toggle hold on startup to get to the original firmware
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20:11:06poddyanyone know if it's possible to change the font size for the rockbox file browser? i've just installed it and can't work out how
20:11:32Genre9mp3poddy: Have you installed the fonts pack as well?
20:11:52poddyno - will that allow me to change size of main menu?
20:12:30Genre9mp3change th font, yes
20:12:48Genre9mp3http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20061129.zip
20:13:34poddy:-)
20:13:55nls_webpoddy: the manual is recomended
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20:14:43poddyi've never been one for manuals :-P think i might take note though and go and read it. thanks
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20:24:35DunkelschubExcuse me, could anyone tell me where I could download the bootloader for the Gigabeat?
20:24:52markunDunkelschub: come to #gigabeat
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20:26:25linuxstbGenre9mp3: 10.9fps is a little more respectable... We definitely need mirak's patches though...
20:26:31linuxstb(and more)
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20:27:56markun(aka karim)
20:28:02mechanoriis the video patch going to appear soon?
20:28:04mechanorii'm excited
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20:29:00linuxstbThe patch is already available. It's not ready for CVS yet though.
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20:31:02bro2baseballI have a question about patching: I downloaded the cvs and modified it, how can i create a patch from that? (I'm in cygwin)
20:31:25nls_webbro2baseball: did you check out cvs?
20:31:37bro2baseballi believe so...
20:31:41bro2baseballhow would i know
20:31:42bro2baseball?
20:31:53linuxstbDid you type "cvs co ....." or download the .tar.bz2 file?
20:32:09nls_webanyway, look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WorkingWithPatches
20:32:24bro2baseballyes i've been looking at that for the last hour
20:32:24bro2baseball:)
20:32:53bro2baseballi'm pretty sure i've checked it out
20:33:06linuxstbUsing the "cvs" command?
20:33:33bro2baseballwell i did" cvs -z3 -d:pserve"r ect
20:33:33bro2baseballis that it?
20:33:39linuxstbEasy way to check is if you have lots of folders called "CVS" in all the source folders.
20:33:46bro2baseballyep i do
20:34:03bro2baseballi'm sure of that
20:34:16bro2baseballon the wiki it says
20:34:17bro2baseballdiff -u oldfile newfile > patch
20:34:23linuxstbFrom the rockbox-devel directory, just type "cvs diff -u > mypatch.diff"
20:34:23bro2baseballto create a diff file
20:34:27bro2baseballalright
20:34:39bro2baseballi'l try that
20:34:59linuxstbYou can then look at that file in a text editor, and see if it reflects the changes you made.
20:35:41bro2baseballyes! it worked
20:35:44bro2baseballthanks a lot
20:36:28Genre9mp3linuxstb: Is mirak's patch for any reason not acceptable in CVS or something?
20:36:36Genre9mp3or it just needs some more work?
20:37:03LloreanGenre9mp3: My understanding is that it's messy.
20:37:43linuxstbI haven't looked at it, but yes, "messy" is I think how amiconn described it when he did.
20:38:37linuxstbI think it was hard to separate the important and non-important changes.
20:40:39Genre9mp3I see...
20:41:08bro2baseballwhen i make the build in cygwin i get "arm-elf-gcc: no such file or directory"
20:41:18bro2baseballdid i install cygwin incorrectly
20:41:18bro2baseball?
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20:43:31bro2baseballi followed the directions here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment
20:44:24bluebrotherbro2baseball, your cygwin installation is either missing the compiler or it's not in the path
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20:44:29SoapLlorean: semantincs. He never did answer if he could boot apple firmware. Your suspicion he hosed his first partition is most likely correct. The Rockbox bootloader is just fine though, is it not?
20:44:57karimGenre9mp3, you implemented sound ?
20:45:16LloreanSoap: Yes, as I said in the thread, it should still function fine for loading Rockbox. I did say that? Or did I forget to type it?
20:45:54*Genre9mp3 points to linuxstb
20:46:05SoapYou said that, but you also said that "it's not afterall installed correctly"
20:46:43Genre9mp3Also barrywardell dan_a, lostlogic for PP targets
20:49:32LloreanSoap: Well, it's not a correct installation if it doesn't work wholly my my standard, but I guess my phrasing could've been a bit less literal. :-p
20:49:55Soapand mine could have been a bit more verbose.
20:50:25LloreanSoap: I was worried that they'd expect to be able to boot Apple_OS the manual way after getting Rockbox running.
20:51:06Soapyea, your preemptive strike was probably the better way to go.
20:51:10karimlinuxstb, there are not much changes, only the idct block is extended to 128 byte instead of 64, the struct is put into iram. also, and hem just idct.c have some function in assembly.
20:51:39karimbut you can ask me later
20:53:54linuxstbkarim: I can't really comment on your patch, but amiconn mentioned he had looked had it.
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20:54:42linuxstbBut yes, check today's IRC logs - I've posted a patch with a first implementation of sound. It also incorporates Wett's .mpg parser patch which is on flyspray.
20:55:29karimcool
20:55:32linuxstbSo it would be great if we could commit your optimisations.
20:56:00karimsomeone tried to create .S files but it crashes I think
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21:12:19haiyaiHi all
21:12:39haiyaiI need a little help
21:13:23Soapask away
21:14:02haiyaiI stupidly changed my font and backround color to same
21:14:09haiyainow i cant see
21:14:16haiyaito change
21:14:30Soapdo you have the new bootloader or the older bootloader?
21:14:34bluebrotherreset your settings while booting. The key combo depends on the player ...
21:14:54*Soap stupidly assumes iPod again.
21:15:25haiyaiI have a gigabeat
21:16:04haiyaiI think new bootloader
21:16:31bluebrotherno idea which the key for resetting the settings is. You could of course simply reboot and try pressing a key until the settings get resetted :)
21:16:53Dunkelschubyou could try asking in the #gigabeat channel
21:17:19bluebrotherthe new vs. old bootloader is only for ipods as there were some changes recently
21:17:28haiyaiok
21:17:36bluebrothermarkun should also know
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21:17:53haiyaijoin /#gigabeat
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21:18:22bluebrotherslash goes first ;-)
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21:22:43Soapwow, encoder makes a sizable difference in mpeg playback.
21:23:23LloreanComparison?
21:23:34Soapmy first encode runs only 90% of the speed of the one from download.rockbox.org
21:23:55LloreanWhat'd you use?
21:23:59SoapTMPEGenc
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21:24:33LloreanI know linuxstb said ffmpeg encodes seemed to be slower, at least.
21:25:12SoapI have lots of options to play with tonight, but I honestly expected this one to be faster, I didn't encode it the way I had intended, and expected a speedup.
21:25:57SoapI encoded to a 4:3 resolution, but forgot to crop, so I ended up encoding black bars top and bottom.
21:26:29LloreanAh
21:26:37Soapwhich, I ASSumed would take little power to decode, thus faster than the equivelent res. movie from the wiki.
21:26:44tical2ki got a friend who wants to put rockbox on their ipod nano... they got it this christmas, are they supported?
21:26:57Soapthe metal bodied one tical2k
21:27:05tical2khumm
21:27:06Soapas in second generation?
21:27:11tical2kits "green" so i guess not
21:27:11tical2kyeah
21:27:41tical2kthey just called me so i dont know much about it
21:27:43Soapthe green one is all metal body, and it is not supported by rockbox
21:27:53tical2kalright
21:28:21Soapit is a second generation one. It will be a pain to get working. Expect no good news soon unless a miracle happens.
21:29:02tical2kalright
21:29:16tical2kwhat is the difference in hardware, do you know?
21:29:26LloreanA lot
21:29:32LloreanIn fact, as far as anyone's away "all of it"
21:29:40tical2khaha
21:29:43tical2kgottcha
21:29:50LloreanIt's an entirely new port, from scratch, if it happens.
21:30:09tical2kdamn apple! haha
21:30:21tical2kalright well thanks
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21:34:35ElPenguinwoo! and rockbox lives on my ipod
21:34:40ElPenguinthat was simple enough
21:35:05LloreanI don't think it'll ever be simple enough to make everyone happy.
21:35:46ElPenguinwell i tried ipodlinux, this couldn't be easier as far as i'm concerned
21:35:53LloreanHehehe
21:36:09LloreanJust the fact that we still use the command line is too much for some people
21:36:10ElPenguinbut noone will ever be happy until you've got an all-singing all dancing GUI with a disgusting picture of someone smiling all over it
21:36:11amiconnkarim: I tried to create an .S file from your patch but failed before even starting the file
21:36:33karimit was you ?
21:36:39amiconnI couldn't figure out which parts of the messy stuff is needed and which is not
21:36:40karimon the tracker
21:36:48amiconnNo, not on the tracker
21:37:07karimthere are just two functions
21:37:18karimmaybe you have an old one
21:37:37karimI remember having let some functiuns not enabled
21:37:37amiconnThere is so much commented out stuff and multiple alternative implementations that I gave up
21:37:59karimhave you a link to the tracker ?
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21:38:25karimamiconn, if it's not clear then this mans there is not latest version
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21:39:09firenxok, something wierd is going on, my rockbox is running laggy i've tried a bunch of different versions.. one way i know its laggy is because the bubble game is slow.. it used to be fast
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21:40:32firenxok wtf its fast now
21:40:41firenxfirst time in quite a while.. and it sounds better now too
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21:49:50karimamiconn, check mpeg2_idct_add_c . the only usefull functions are idct, clip_block_to_dest_add, clip_block_to_dest_add_DC this 2 last methods have alternative versions, but that's just the way they are wrotte in asm. There also C version of previous ASM versions of idct_col and idct_row. I merged the two asm versions into idct. the C versions are just here to help understand what was done with no mathematics opitmisations in t
21:49:50karimhe original versions.
21:50:43karimnow for sure this can be cleaned a bit
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21:51:06karima lot
21:52:27karimamiconn, just take what the preprocessor. you can drop what the preprocessor doesn't use when COLDFIRE flag is set
21:53:31karimcan't do that now ...
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22:12:00firenxanyone know why browsing my music would make the music lag?
22:13:23Soapwhat hardware are you using?
22:14:01firenxipod 5g 30gb
22:14:28firenxi've tried enabling tag cache and disk buffer.. hasn't helped
22:16:12Soaptag cache?
22:16:22SoapHow old is the build you are running?
22:17:37firenxi think its the cvs.. been trying a few builds
22:18:24firenxoh i'm using the ace version right now..
22:18:31firenxace build even
22:19:02firenxi will try cvs
22:19:22Soapyea, that ace build is pretty old
22:19:46SoapYou will find that audio doesn't skip due to scrolling anymore.
22:19:53Soapthough scrolling is slower
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22:20:08Soapbecause priority was given to the audio thread over the UI thread.
22:20:12firenxoh ok
22:21:03Kingsqueakhow is the iRiver so much better optimized than the iPod 5g ? Did someone who worked for iRiver help out with the codecs?
22:21:09thegeekno
22:21:17thegeekiriver port is much older though
22:21:26thegeekand the hardware is much better known
22:21:28Soapyea, firenx, that ace build is at least two months old.
22:22:04Genre9mp3Kingsqueak: LOL
22:22:09firenxok, lots of builds to keep track of heh
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22:22:14Kingsqueakthegeek: ah k
22:22:35KingsqueakI wasn't sure if the iRiver had some built-in decoder function or if it was just reverse engineered or what
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22:24:40firenxhm ok that build is better but now my themes dont work heh
22:24:43firenxmust be missing some fonts
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22:31:27Phulhello
22:35:38Phulanyone here
22:37:40Genre9mp3Phul, if you have a question go ahead
22:38:39amiconn\o/
22:38:39Phulwhen will e200 rockbox
22:38:43Phulbe released
22:38:52Genre9mp3amiconn: ?
22:38:57*amiconn just completed the backlight mod on pixelma's Ondio :D
22:39:05Genre9mp3:)
22:39:55LloreanPhul: We don't estimate release dates.
22:40:21LloreanPhul: Besides, it's somewhat impossible to predict. It's not a case of "we have it done, and will release it on a certain day" like commercial software. It's a case of "We're working on it, and will publish it once it's done"
22:40:40PhulBut is it matter of years?
22:41:10Phul(Tryin to decide if to buy e200)
22:41:25LloreanIt's impossible to predict.
22:41:29LloreanIt's not likely to be years.
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22:43:00Genre9mp3amiconn: What parts did you use for that?
22:43:26Phulwhere can i read what it planned to include?
22:43:26amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndioBacklight
22:43:51amiconn[IDC]Dragon sent me a "kit" that contained all necessary parts
22:43:56HawkSlayerhello.. just wondering, whats the link to the plugin index page?
22:44:22Genre9mp3Does it require a good level of soldering skills?
22:44:31LloreanPhul: It's just Rockbox. Rockbox is software that runs on MP3 players, so it'll have all the features of Rockbox.
22:44:41LloreanHawkSlayer: It's PluginIndex in the wiki
22:44:47HawkSlayerwww.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex?
22:44:58Phulwill it have alarm clock?
22:45:37HawkSlayeryeah i looked on the wiki and i couldn't find it for some reason
22:45:46yossaI want to try and make some plugins work on the sansa, I need to know though how to make those plugins compile for this target.
22:45:59HawkSlayerits probably right in front of me too
22:46:15amiconnGenre9mp3: You need SMD soldering skills & equipment (that's why it took me a while until I finally did it - first had to get a soldering iron with a fine enough tip)
22:46:26amiconnThe pin spacing of the SM8141B is 0.8mm
22:46:27LloreanHawkSlayer: Typle PluginIndex in the go box in the wiki... or the search box on the site...
22:46:36KingsqueakGenre9mp3: that looks like SMD work, easy to burn something up if you aren't used to it or have a solid soldering station
22:46:45Lloreanyossa: Change where they are in the SOURCES file.
22:46:55DanielFaulknorhmm.. if i have the money (just) is it worth getting a 80gb ipod instead of a 30gb one? (5.5gen, video)
22:47:04HawkSlayeryeah thanks guys.. i should have looked on the site more to find it lol... i am dumb :)
22:47:08Kingsqueakamiconn: what size tip did you wind up using?
22:47:13amiconn0.4mm
22:47:22HawkSlayerso how's the video with audio coming along? :)
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22:47:34Kingsqueakah k, just getting back into electronic fiddling here, putting together a tool list
22:47:35LloreanPhul: If the RTC chip can wake the device at a certain time, then yes, if it can't, then no.
22:48:01LloreanHawkSlayer: "eh, it's just a toy. I think we're gonna scrap it.
22:48:18HawkSlayeromg please don't!
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22:48:38*Llorean didn't get the chance to reveal he was joking.
22:48:49HawkSlayernow you did
22:48:50HawkSlayer:)
22:49:03HawkSlayeri accidently pressed alt+backspace
22:49:36yossallorean: thank you
22:49:44Kingsqueakamiconn: http://apuresound.com/ATAT/PPAS/PPAS.htm that's what I want to make eventually but I need to get my chops back on easier stuff first, give that a go if you're up to it, it's supposed to sound amazing.
22:50:26Lloreanyossa: They should just be in blocks where they're not supposed to load because of the target, and you just need to move them to the ones that do compile
22:51:09yossagot it
22:51:43PhulLlorean: can the RTC chip do it?
22:52:43LloreanPhul: If I knew, don't you think I'd have said so, instead of saying that?
22:54:07HawkSlayeris markun present?
22:54:10markunyes
22:54:16firenxwhat does car adaptor mode do? i cant find anything about it in the manual
22:54:18markunhi HawkSlayer
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22:55:15Lloreanfirenx: That means it probably doesn't work properly on your target yet
22:55:18HawkSlayermy bad guys my internet keeps going down.. i don't mean to do the enter-exit spam.
22:57:18firenxok
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23:05:12markunBagder: the daily build page doesn't look right
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23:06:26Bagderhm
23:07:13amiconnBagder: Several things aren't looking right on the server
23:07:29Bagderits mainly due to its being overloaded
23:07:36amiconnFor the 29th, some dailies are missing, and no dailies at all for the 30th
23:07:50Bagderyes, because it doesn't get them built in time
23:07:59amiconnThe server-side commit script fails while trying to send the commit mails
23:08:07Bagderwhich is due to too high load
23:08:25Bagdersince they do work occationally
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23:11:37amiconnodd
23:11:58Bagdernot really. sendmail stops accepting mail when the load is too high
23:12:02*amiconn didn't encounter a server with such a heavy load that it refuses to do its jobs
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23:12:21amiconnAll I've seen is that things get sluggish under heavy load
23:12:25BagderI believe 15 is the default limit or so
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23:13:49Bagderits not anything special with our server, it is how it usually works
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23:14:29cheesechokercan anyone tell me how to get to the daily builds
23:15:20cheesechokeri am at rockbox.org/daily.shtml but there is nothing listed there
23:16:18Lloreancheesechoker: Just use the CVS builds
23:16:28]MrFWorK[has there been any progress with the 80gb video ipod disk controller?
23:16:29Bagderehm...
23:16:37*Bagder messed up the daily builds
23:17:07Llorean]MrFWorK[: Just have patience. It'll be done when it's done.
23:17:10*cheesechoker forgives Bagder
23:17:24cheesechokerwait, is this where they are? http://download.rockbox.org/daily/
23:17:42Bagderyes
23:17:45*Llorean wonders why cheesechoker doesn't just use the CVS builds
23:17:48LloreanThey're better.
23:18:32*cheesechoker doesn't have a compiler on this computer
23:18:37linuxstbMaybe we should rename "daily builds" to something else - e.g. "archived builds".
23:18:50Lloreancheesechoker: The CVS Builds page has BUILDS, not source code
23:19:04Lloreanlinuxstb: I think we should
23:19:13cheesechokeroh snap
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23:19:44Lloreancheesechoker: They contain the latest changes, even newer than the Daily page, and unlike the daily page don't risk leaving you stuck with a bug for 24 hours that someone introduced right before the daily started building, and fixed right after
23:21:27*Llorean wishes there were some way to clear up the misconception that dailies are "safer" or that the CVS builds page requires compiling.
23:21:42GodEaterdon't call them CVS builds?
23:21:49GodEatercall them "latest"
23:22:05GodEaterand rename the dailies to archived as linuxstb sats
23:22:07GodEater*says
23:22:29]MrFWorK[i'm patient, i just didn't know if there was any progress with it in the past week or so
23:22:42GodEater]MrFWorK[, if there were - we'd have said so
23:23:31amiconnlinuxstb: The daily builds do have 2 advantages over the cvs builds:
23:24:02amiconn(1) all of them are made consistently with the recommended gcc versions for each architecture
23:24:04linuxstbBagder: Another video for the collection... http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-224x176-469kbps.mpg
23:24:40amiconn(2) Their timestamps match the actual build time, expressed in CET (or CEST part time of the year)
23:25:11GodEateramiconn, does (1) mean they're built on a different box than the CVS builds ?
23:25:16linuxstbBoth are fixable... The build scripts that run on the remote servers should set the TZ variable to something consistent.
23:25:31linuxstbAnd all build servers should install the recommended versions...
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23:26:47amiconnGodEater: The cvs builds are distributed, the dailies are not
23:27:09GodEaterah
23:27:11amiconnThat's the cause of (1) (not all build servers necessarily use the same gcc versions) and (2) (the build servers are located in different time zones)
23:27:48GodEaterinteresting - who owns all the build servers then ?
23:28:28amiconnDifferent people
23:28:44amiconnOne of them is mine
23:29:25GodEatercolocated, or just say in your house ? :)
23:29:34GodEater*sat
23:29:40GodEaterlord my typing blows tonight
23:29:40linuxstbMy main PC at home is a build server...
23:29:59amiconnThe number to the far right of each line in the build table shows how many servers participated in th elast round, and links to a list which server built how many of the builds
23:30:30GodEatersounds like it would definitely be a plan to standardize all the servers on the right gcc / bin-utils versions
23:30:35amiconnGodEater: In my flat. It's in fact a plain HP dx5150
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23:31:05amiconn(micro tower pc)
23:31:15GodEaterI'd volunteer mine for build duty, but I'm not sure on the reliability of my connection
23:31:21GodEaterwhat's involved ?
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23:31:56GodEaterif it's not too tough I'll set it up - it doesn't do much during the day :)
23:32:02Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer
23:32:04linuxstbA fast upload (from you to www.rockbox.org) is the main requirement, as well as being able to build a full swcodec build in under a minute (I think...)
23:32:25GodEateris there a nice script I can grab to test it ?
23:32:26amiconnGah, the wiki lags like hell :/
23:32:49*linuxstb just made those requirements up and should keep quiet...
23:32:51SoapGodEater> and rename the dailies to archived as linuxstb sats
23:32:54GodEaterhahahaha
23:33:01Soapor rename them to "Daily Snapshots"
23:33:24GodEaterwell I've got a half-meg upstream
23:33:30amiconnShould be enough
23:33:34GodEaterI think - might be 768 actually
23:33:39amiconnMy upstream is just 384kbps
23:34:04GodEaterand it's an AMD 3000XP with a gig of ram
23:34:17GodEaterseems to build a "normal" build pretty sharpish
23:34:55amiconnMine is an amd64 3800+
23:34:56GodEater576 upstream - just confirmed it
23:35:03amiconn(single core)
23:35:03Bagdersounds like a fine box to add to the collection
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23:35:25GodEaterI'll probably upgrade it this year sometime
23:35:28GodEaterit's three years old now
23:35:40Bagderlinuxstb: mpeg uploaded
23:35:41jeffbhow goes it GodEater
23:36:02GodEaterjeffb, same as ever - I've given up with the ATA stuff for a while
23:36:06GodEaterit's driving me insane
23:36:07jeffbsame
23:36:32GodEaterstill waiting for some masochist with a knowledge of ARM to look at that flash disassembly and work a miracle :)
23:36:46jeffbheh
23:37:09jeffbno doubt
23:37:12amiconnGodEater: A dump from the real thing might be helpful for that...
23:37:28Soaphmm, 88% percent framerate compared to the VLC encodes of Elephant's Dream. I'm moving backwards.
23:37:32GodEaterI thought we'd all reached the conclusion the dumps were the same ?
23:38:24GodEateralthough I may have missed further discussion - my Wii has had all my attention today and I've not read up on the IRC logs
23:38:49Soapthe picture is sharper, for the same bitrate, though.
23:40:16linuxstbGodEater: My guess is that they are the same, but it would be useful if someone could confirm.
23:40:50GodEaterlinuxstb, well that still means someone with a knowledge of biphase code modulation encoding and decoding needs to get their hands dirty
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23:41:31linuxstbGodEater: Only if they are different. No-one has yet compared the same version of the 30GB and 80GB flash.
23:41:50GodEaterthat's very trye
23:41:52GodEater*true
23:41:53linuxstbjeffb compared Slasheri's old version with his current version.
23:41:59GodEateryep yep - I remember
23:42:21GodEateras predicted - all the 30G owners disappeared once we'd done the port for them :)
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23:44:12Soaplinuxstb: do you know of a program to report on the frame structure of mpeg files?
23:45:26linuxstbGodEater: We should remove 2048-byte sector support from CVS - they'll be back...
23:45:50linuxstbSoap: Sorry, no.
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23:48:08SoapI'm just guessing that the speed differences I'm seeing are a result of the frame structure, but I don't know what was used in the wiki encodes. I'm creating a set with a different quantization matrix now, but I can't believe that will affect decoding speed, only picture quality.
23:48:56GodEaterlinuxstb, you're mean - but you're right :)
23:49:28Soapand this is a different ballgame than making XSVCDs, where the primary concern is quality per bit. Here I think the goal is speed per quality.
23:50:34amiconnlinuxstb: With large virtual sector support, you can make fat32 partitions that linux and rockbox can handle, but windows can't....
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23:50:47LloreanSoap: Aye, I think most players have enough capacity that more concern will be on total quality of the video (constant framerate + appearance)
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23:51:28amiconnLarge virtual sector support itself is enabled for all targets (since it turned out to be soooo simple after all). :)
23:52:34amiconnOnly the variable partition position support due to large physical sector presentation via usb is enabled for the ipod video only
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23:54:07GodEateramiconn, did you ever work out what those new ATA-7 words were trying to tell us on the 80G ?
23:54:20amiconnYes. They're telling not much
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23:54:43GodEaterso are there more logical sectors than physical ?
23:54:57GodEateror vice versa
23:55:14BigMacHey just a quick question, Will a .fnt file used for the gigabeat work on the ipod
23:55:24amiconnMore logical sectors than physical, but it doesn't matter
23:55:24BigMacI don't know if fnt is a container
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23:55:48GodEaterbecause all the ATA commands talk in terms of logical sectors
23:56:03LloreanBigMac: You may note we only offer one Font package on the builds page, not ones for specific players
23:56:06amiconnAt least the backwards compatible commands do
23:56:15GodEaterwhich is all we've been using
23:56:16amiconnMaybe it's important for the streaming stuff
23:56:31GodEateryeah - I wasn't quite sure I understoof the point of that
23:57:30amiconnHere's my latest commented version: amiconn.dyndns.org/ata_identify_5.5G.txt">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/ata_identify_5.5G.txt
23:58:26amiconnThe multisector setting still puzzles me

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