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#rockbox log for 2006-12-31

00:00:11amiconnThat's out of spec for ATA-5, ATA-6 and ATA-7
00:00:41Soapwell, Llorean, that explains the speed difference
00:00:42GodEateryeah, but isn't that dump you have from before the multi-sectors stuff is set in the RB code ?
00:00:49linuxstbSoap: If it helps, the typical mpeg2enc command-line I used was "mpeg2enc -b 100 -a 3 -f 8 -D 10 -E -10 -K tmpgenc -4 1 -2 1 -o elephantsdream-$SIZE.m2v"
00:00:55Soapthe wiki encodes aren't up to full MPEG2 usage.
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00:01:37linuxstbSoap: And here is the mpeg2enc man page: http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=runman&location=mpeg2enc/1
00:01:44Soapthey are in PPPPPPPPPPPPPPI format and mine are in IBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBB format
00:02:02Soapthey aren't using bidirectional frames.
00:02:11linuxstbYes, I the mpeg2enc people don't like B-frames...
00:02:17LloreanSoap: I noticed the 300kbpsish one for Nano looked lower quality than the 256kbps encodes that VLC had been outputting for me, but assumed that was just because of the source material since I wasn't encoding the same video. or anything.
00:02:22linuxstbs/I//
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00:03:22amiconnGodEater: Correct, but word 47 bits 7..0 defines the _maximum_ sectors for read multiple / write multiple, and all specs say the value 0x00 is _reserved_
00:03:51GodEaterand it should contain a valid value even if we've not turned that feature on ?
00:04:03amiconnyes
00:04:05GodEaterhmmm
00:04:33amiconnThe actual value will end up in word 59
00:05:41 Nick BHSPitMonkey_ is now known as BHSPitMonkey (n=stephen@adsl-65-67-114-199.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
00:05:44Soapunfortunately I fear that means we won't be able to create an easier to decode file.
00:06:15Genre9mp3linuxstb, Soap: The only acceptable framerates for MPEG2 are 25 and 29.97?
00:06:23GodEateris it worth getting the output from a DEVICE CONFIGURATION IDENTIFY command as well ?
00:06:45GodEaterto see if anything odd has been set ?
00:06:45amiconnSoap: Why? I would expect that files using B frames are both lower bitrate per quality _and_ easier to decode...
00:08:05Soapamiconn: really? I assumed that the bidirectional frames took more work to decode.
00:08:23Soapthey definately do improve quality per bitrate.
00:08:52amiconnWorth a test
00:09:07linuxstbGenre9mp3: No, 30fps, 24fps (film) and 23.976fps (NTSC 3:2 pulldown) are also valid.
00:09:31SoapGenre9mp3: you can do NTSCfilm @ 23.976. But those are the TV standards, you can create MPEG2 streams for computer playback at any framerate - though you need to respect the framerate of your source.
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00:09:47amiconnIirc, all mpeg video players on amiga show increased fps when P frames are added (starting from an I-frames only video), and more increased fps when adding B frames as well
00:09:55phrozen77_hi guys
00:10:16phrozen77_i just wonder - are there any estimations when rockbox will be working on the 80gb 5.5th gen ipods?
00:10:33Lloreanphrozen77_: It's impossible to estimate
00:10:45Soapwell, my current encode will be to test the matrix's effect on FPS, next I'll hold everything else constant and change the GOB structure.
00:11:13phrozen77_Llorean: well, is there anything one could help without being a programmer?
00:11:49Genre9mp3hmmm... I tried to create a video at 10fps using VLC but it didn't work. It made the conversion but the file doesn't play (both PC and Rockbox)
00:11:55BHSPitMonkeyphrozen77_, donate your 5.5G to devs? :)
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00:12:06phrozen77_BHSPitMonkey: heh, well i planned to keep it :P
00:12:10Lloreanphrozen77_: Really, nothing right now
00:12:22Genre9mp3Rockbox returns error and on my PC it plays only the audio stream
00:12:29phrozen77_too sad :|
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00:13:34linuxstbGenre9mp3: Maybe something else went wrong... Have you tried other fps values?
00:13:39LloreanGenre9mp3: Bcause 10fps isn't a valid framerate for it...
00:14:32Genre9mp3linuxstb: The source file is encoded at 25fps
00:14:57linuxstbThe framerate is just specified in terms of the number of 27MHz ticks per frame. So it can be more or less anything (but the MPEG specs limit it).
00:15:49phrozen77_Llorean: any ideas what the actual issues with the 80gb models are?
00:16:14linuxstbphrozen77_: Simple - Rockbox can't access the disk and no-one knows why.
00:16:25phrozen77_ftw
00:16:36phrozen77_everybody and their dog can access the disk
00:16:38phrozen77_;)
00:17:50Genre9mp3linuxstb: I have tried 12 and 8 fps.. none of them worked, I'll try with a different video
00:18:08linuxstbDid the 12fps video I created work?
00:18:14LloreanGenre9mp3: You need to OUTPUT at a framerete MPEG like, or you'll get audio only files.
00:18:24LloreanGenre9mp3: I had the same problem with VLC yesterday.
00:18:24Genre9mp3linuxstb: yes
00:18:33LloreanOther encoders might work, but VLC will reject it
00:18:38linuxstbDoes vlc just use ffmpeg?
00:18:44Genre9mp3Llorean: I see, thanks
00:18:52Lloreanlinuxstb: I think so
00:19:17phrozen77_linuxstb: would there be a way to test it why it fails?
00:19:36amiconnphrozen77_: You could lend the thing to an experienced rockbox hacker with enough interest in low-level things
00:19:45LloreanGenre9mp3: I'm not sure if there are other framerates VLC likes besides the ones linuxstb mentioned, but if you give it an invalid one, you get what you described (audio, no video)
00:20:37Genre9mp3Llorean: I see, I'll try with a different encoder then
00:20:38linuxstbHere's the mencoder command-line I used for my 12fps encode - mencoder -v -of mpeg -srate 44100 -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2 -af resample=44100:0:0 -vf pp=lb,spp,crop=1440:1080:240:0,scale=224:176:0 -ofps 12 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=$BITRATE ../elephantsdream-1920-hd-mpeg4-su-ac3.avi -o tmp.mpg
00:20:57phrozen77_amiconn: and who would that be?
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00:21:36Genre9mp3linuxstb: very useful, thanks
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00:27:04amiconnphrozen77_: Depends on where you're from
00:27:09phrozen77_.de
00:27:17amiconnOh, me too
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00:32:34Genre9mp3Sometimes I can't understand people's reactions... You tell them that we have video with sound and they immediately complain about the lack of playback controls... Argh
00:33:05phrozen77_small finger -> whole arm
00:33:46phrozen77_amiconn: so - you are a "experienced rockbox hacker with enough interest in low-level things"?
00:34:25amiconnI think one could say so...
00:34:34 Nick Genre9mp3 is now known as one (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3)
00:34:43oneHe is
00:34:44LloreanHe's definitely got the experience and the skill
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00:40:06*linuxstb vouches for amiconn as well
00:40:39linuxstbGenre9mp3: He was either trolling or simply doesn't understand how Rockbox is developed.
00:40:42*Mouser_X missed something. Probably not important.
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00:44:03LloreanI think part of it is, to most people it's "There's no video with sound, there's no video with sound... There's video with sound"
00:44:07LloreanIt's like flipping a light switch.
00:44:30LloreanAnd so on some level, since they don't really understand what all goes on, the thought pattern is that one day someone finally sat down and did it.
00:45:11LloreanI mean, video players with sound are everywhere, they must know HOW, and they must have a lot of information to work from, so surely it didn't actually take a lot of work if it just happened that suddenly, without alphas and betas and half-working versions of sound where there was skipping or it sounded bad...
00:47:22*Soap needs a faster computer.
00:47:47Nimdaethere's video with sound on rockbox?
00:48:02LloreanNimdae: Not in CVS yet
00:48:10LloreanIt still lacks a lot, such as "the ability to play files larger than RAM"
00:48:21Nimdaeoh
00:48:27Nimdaei thought i missed something, heh
00:48:35dionoeadidn't the original mpegplayer read larger than ram files ?
00:48:40dionoea(the soundless one)
00:49:14Lloreandionoea: Yup, doesn't mean that this one does though. :-P
00:49:16Nimdaeso it's only capable of playing like 10 second videos with sound atm?
00:49:25dionoeaLlorean: i was just checking :p
00:49:39Nimdaenot that video is important to me
00:49:45LloreanNimdae: At least 3 or 4 minutes on my Nano.
00:49:52Nimdaei don't care to watch videos on my ipod :P
00:50:05Genre9mp3Llorean: It does play files larger than RAM
00:50:22LloreanGenre9mp3: It just doesn't rebuffer so it hangs once RAM is reached.
00:50:24Soapshush! now they'll all want one!
00:50:26LloreanOr has that been fixed?
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00:51:56Genre9mp3Llorean: Not sure to tell you the truth... I mean I played an mpg today that was 51MB, I think it stopped playing when the audio stream has finished (the video was out of sync back) but maybe it stopped because it didn't rebuffer then?
00:52:04dionoeaSoap: you can try using projectX to analyse your mpeg files
00:52:18Soapdionoea: no I didn't try that.
00:52:44SoapVDubMod shows what each individual frame type is, you just need to key through them in order. Not the easiest way.
00:52:49LloreanGenre9mp3: I know the version I was testing yesterday was not supposed to rebuffer yet, if it's still the same patch, then it shouldn't be rebuffering.
00:52:56dionoeaoh ok :)
00:53:02LloreanGenre9mp3: It'll load up fine, but after a certain point, just hang.
00:53:05SoapI'll try that though.
00:53:19Genre9mp3Llorean: hang or just exit?
00:53:46LloreanGenre9mp3: For me, it just hung. Froze up.
00:54:29Genre9mp3It just exited to me today... linuxstb should know
00:55:01LloreanGenre9mp3: Well, the whole program seems shaky. On shorter files, sometimes it freezes, sometimes it scrambles stuff all over the screen, and sometimes it exits gracefully for me. :)
00:56:10Nimdaeis it using the ipod decoder or is it still just using the cpu?
00:56:26dionoeacpu
00:56:32LloreanNimdae: I played it on my Nano. Guess. :-P
00:56:42Genre9mp3Llorean: Never crashed/frozed on me with H300 with stack size set up to0x2500
00:56:42Nimdaeso it's a battery killer
00:57:29Genre9mp3Llorean: today's testing that is
00:57:49LloreanGenre9mp3: Maybe be a difference between dual core use and single core use.
00:57:56LloreanNimdae: No moreso than playing Doom is. :-P
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00:58:07Nimdaei don't play doom on my ipod :P
00:58:21Nimdaethe second core is working now?
00:58:21LloreanBut nobody's even really investigating the broadcom chip
00:58:27Genre9mp3perhaps... I believe there are things very well hidden on this PP beast
00:58:49LloreanI mean, it only benefits one target, so it's kinda a lot of effort for a very small gain over other investments of dev time anyway
00:59:00Llorean'specially since Video isn't a primary focus, either
00:59:25Nimdaewell, like people keep saying, if someone has an interest in it, they'll work on it
00:59:39Genre9mp3Doom wasn't primary focus either ;)
00:59:51LloreanGenre9mp3: Doom was done by someine with the interest
00:59:56Genre9mp3indeed
01:00
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01:00:31Nimdaei could honestly live without the video playback, i just think it's neat :P
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01:00:56LloreanNimdae: I could live without it, but now that it's almost there, I find myself wishing rebuffering worked.
01:01:07Nimdaelol
01:01:23Nimdaei'm more interested in the second core and usb
01:01:46LloreanWell, the second core is being used for video playback
01:01:48Genre9mp3for me it's really impressive the first time... almost as impressive as .rvf on those Archoses screen ;)
01:01:55LloreanWhich is why we get 25-30fps with audio on the Nano
01:02:33Genre9mp3When I first watched an .rvf on my Ondio I was left with my mouth open
01:02:33Nimdaewhat about just plain audio playback though?
01:02:46LloreanNimdae: There's a patch in the tracker for that
01:03:04Nimdaei haven't kept up with it, last i checked it worked, but was unstable
01:03:19LloreanNimdae: Doesn't offer the performance increases expected, but there's something getting in the way (theories relate to memory bandwidth, lockstepping between threads, and other things)
01:03:29LloreanBut it did give me about a 5% battery life increase
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01:03:47Nimdaesee, i'm not looking for better performance, i'm looking for improvement in battery life
01:04:11LloreanWell, the second core isn't the primary cause of the battery life issues, most likely
01:04:28Nimdaei would think it to be the boosting of the first core almost constantly
01:05:15LloreanNimdae: Ever tried leaving an iPod on without playback and seeing how the battery life compares unboosted?
01:05:38Nimdaeactually, no
01:05:45LloreanThat would answer that question right there
01:06:08Nimdaehow does it compare?
01:06:10LloreanBut the problem's also probably related to various other parts of the hardware on the PP chip we don't know about. Perhaps the USB controller, like on the H300.
01:06:36LloreanNimdae: I haven't either. :) I just thought of it a few seconds ago.
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01:07:14Nimdaewell, i would hope that you would mean while working unboosted and not idle
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01:07:54Nimdaelooks like there's been updates to the coprocessor patch since i last looked, heh
01:07:57*Nimdae reads
01:08:12linuxstbLlorean: Yes, nothing's changed - still no rebuffering...
01:08:59LloreanNimdae: The CPU doesn't go to the idle speed unless nothing's happening. I suppose the best test would be to take a plugin like Fire, make it not boost so it runs at unboosted but is constantly doing something, and see how battery life is.
01:09:12LloreanNimdae: One thing we learned though: It's likely the COP was draining power even when we weren't using it.
01:09:51Nimdaei think that was a suspicion for quite a while though
01:09:59LloreanYup
01:10:15Nimdaei remember reading somewhere that there's various hardware components not yet in use that may be draining power
01:10:32LloreanIt's just more or less confirmed now. My runtime test came out about the same with the COP enabled and running a kernel, and came out a bit longer once we moved the codec thread to it so that both cores spent less total time boosted
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01:10:52LloreanNimdae: That'd be the USB controller, among others.
01:11:02Nimdaeyeah
01:11:07amiconnThat means we didn't properly sleep the cop before
01:11:16LloreanNimdae: The H300 had a USB host controller that was draining power resulting in nearly half of what battery life should be. The PortalPlayer chipset has a USB controller we don't do too much with yet.
01:11:28amiconnWe need to figure out that clock skipping thing...
01:12:19linuxstbHopefully the Sansa people will knock the USB part of the PP chip into shape.
01:12:21*Llorean is hoping so too
01:12:34LloreanWith the additions from the mysterious Mr. H, we may have some real hope there.
01:12:46amiconnI don't think this will happen too soon
01:12:59amiconnApart from figuring out the chip, we need to implement the device part of an usb stack
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01:13:19Genre9mp3JdGordon: goodmorning
01:13:25JdGordonmorning
01:13:43Genre9mp3well, for me it's 2AM now
01:13:55Mouser_XSounds like morning to me.
01:14:43Genre9mp3JdGordon: I just want to point you this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg61792#msg61792
01:14:48Nimdaeso yeah, from what i gather, progress on making the coprocessor work is progressing a bit
01:15:16JdGordonGenre9mp3: yeah, I saw it, ill try get to it today, otherwise it will have to wait till next weekend.. (going on holiday soon)
01:15:49Genre9mp3ok... just want to make sure you know
01:17:07NimdaeLlorean: i will see if i can get some boosted/nonboosted tests done ;)
01:17:18Nimdaenow to find my ipod
01:17:35LloreanNimdae: I'm curious too. Try to make sure the processor's doing something while unboosted though, to make sure it never drops to idle, as you noted.
01:17:50Nimdaei'm gonna use that flame plugin you mentioned
01:18:04Nimdaei need to check the source to see if it boosts
01:18:16Nimdaeif it does i may be able to fork the plugin to a unboosted version
01:18:23Nimdaesave on recompiling repeatedly, etc
01:19:06LloreanNimdae: I'm almost certain it does, my suggestion was to remove the boosting from it anyway. :)
01:19:24Nimdaei know, i'm stealing the idea and claiming it as my own :P
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01:20:10LloreanOh, well that's fine then.
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01:22:48Nimdaei'm gonna do this on the latest cvs source tarball (newer than what's on my ipod now)
01:22:57Nimdaeany patches you recommend?
01:23:17Nimdaels
01:23:20Nimdaeoops wrong window
01:32:48NimdaeLlorean: i should just comment out the 2 boost calls in fire.c?
01:33:52phrozen77_gnite guys
01:33:56Nimdaenite
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01:35:07Nimdaedoh forgot what to do after "make"
01:35:37LloreanNimdae: Commenting those out should work, I believe. "make zip"
01:35:53Nimdaethat's what i thought, i just wanted to check the wiki before i did it, heh
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01:40:10LloreanGenre9mp3: There's a small problem with the code you pasted on misticriver for encoding, you need a samplerate=44100 to force 44.1 for the audio
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01:40:24Lloreanlinuxstb told me it wouldn't accept anything else in its current state
01:40:52linuxstbThat's correct.
01:41:13LloreanAlso, vb=600 might be a bit high. 256 looked fine on a 176x128 video, so you might try lowering it and seeing how it looks.
01:41:24linuxstbLower bitrates should also decode faster...
01:43:14*linuxstb wants to steal the codec thread's stack for mpegplayer - 9KB of unused IRAM....
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01:45:20Genre9mp3Llorean: thanks for pointing out, it's "samplerate=44100", right?
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01:48:14Genre9mp3Llorean: fixed
01:48:36Lloreanlinuxstb: Can't you?
01:49:00Lloreanlinuxstb: I thought that Doom did something like that, which caused problems with voice in its menus?
01:49:26LloreanGenre9mp3: Looks good.
01:49:41linuxstbI think any plugin that uses IRAM at all caused problems with voice. But I think that's been fixed.
01:50:40LloreanAh
01:50:43Nimdaeok, the slower draw rate indicates it's not boosting
01:50:53LloreanNimdae: Good. :)
01:50:53Nimdaenow to run the battery into the ground
01:51:08***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:51:10LloreanSadly you can't use battery_bench during it, so just watching it out of the corner of your eye will have to do.
01:51:32linuxstbBut it looks like the codec thread is constantly running, so if I stole its stack, I would need to save and restore the contents. I need a playback guru... lostlogic?
01:51:37DerPapst_just read the logs... GodEater where did you found the information that the 80GB HDD from the 5.5G iPod understands ATA-7?
01:51:38Nimdaeyeah
01:51:40Nimdaejust learned that
01:51:54LloreanNimdae: They're both plugins, so can't exist at the same time
01:52:01Nimdaebattery bench says press off to stop it
01:52:04Nimdaeipod has no "off"
01:52:06Nimdaeheh
01:52:42Nimdaebattery is currently 95%
01:52:46Nimdaei'll start it and put a timer on
01:52:49amiconnNimdae: (1) What are you trying to do?
01:53:25Nimdaewhat's (2)?
01:53:27Nimdae:P
01:53:40Nimdaeseeing what unboosted battery life is like with cpu activity
01:53:54amiconn(2) If you need a battery log while running another plugin, unify both into one
01:53:56Nimdaethis will take hours
01:54:04Nimdaehmmm
01:54:09*Nimdae goes back to hacking
01:54:12Nimdaethanks amiconn!
01:54:15linuxstbCTRL+C, CTRL+V....
01:54:43Nimdaelinuxstb: ctrl+c has a completely different meaning in linux console >.>
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01:55:15jbactrl+shift+c works in some consoles on linux
01:55:29linuxstbOK, OK,... You all knew what I meant. :)
01:55:33Nimdaectrl+ins almost always works
01:55:43Nimdaein windows and linux
01:55:57Nimdaectrl+ins shift+ins
01:57:09Nimdaebah, C intimidates me :( i don't think i could hack together this
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01:58:08Nimdaeafter about 4 hours, i will check the battery level
01:58:21Nimdaeit will be a very rough test, but at least something
01:58:29jeffbC is awesome
01:58:49Nimdaei don't disagree
01:58:53Nimdaei juts don't know it well
01:59:21*markun notices that he should have tested his latest commit..
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01:59:45Nimdaelol
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02:00:23Nimdaebad markun
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02:00:42Nimdaeyou shouldn't code like me
02:00:45linuxstbmarkun: Yes, the Edit, Save, Compile, Test, Commit cycle is too easily shorten to "Edit, Save, Commit"...
02:01:22amiconnmarkun: #ifdef ....
02:01:28markunamiconn: yes..
02:01:36amiconnApart from that .section .text can be shortened to just .text
02:01:42markunbut compiling now for gigabeat and ipod just in case
02:01:49markunamiconn: ok, will do that
02:02:44amiconnWill we see a fixed gigabeat sim these days?
02:02:51linuxstbWhat does the "ax",%progbits mean?
02:03:19amiconnThese are section flags
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02:04:28GhoulunaticI need a hand with rockbox
02:05:08amiconnThese don't need to be specified for predefined sections (.text / .data / .rodata / .bss), but for special sections they should be set properly
02:05:23Nimdaebah, my ipod shut down after 11 and a half minutes
02:05:39linuxstbamiconn: Ah, OK. Thanks.
02:05:42Nimdae82% battery
02:05:55linuxstbidle timeout?
02:06:05Nimdaemost likely
02:06:30Nimdaeyeah
02:06:32*Nimdae turns that off
02:06:34linuxstbGhoulunatic: What's the problem?
02:06:42amiconn"ax" means Allocatable and eXecutable, %progbits means the section contains data
02:06:47GhoulunaticI need the fonts thing, I have a Gigabeat F Series
02:07:04Ghoulunaticand the site is just a page that talks about the fonts, but has no links
02:07:18linuxstbhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip
02:07:27Ghoulunaticthanks
02:07:29Nimdaei'll put it back on the charger...maybe while it's charging i'll find some way to hack battbench into fire
02:07:31linuxstbThere's currently a bug with the daily builds page.
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02:08:11Ghoulunaticah, so there is a daily build of the Gigabeat F?
02:08:51LloreanGhoulunatic: The fonts package for Rockbox is kept on the daily builds page
02:10:14GhoulunaticI tried to get the daily Gigabeat build but i clicked it and got this
02:10:15Ghoulunaticgigatbeatf is not a fine binary name, try one of these:
02:11:11linuxstbAny ops around who can change the topic to mention the daily builds and give a link to the fonts zip file?
02:12:44GhoulunaticI'll back shortly
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02:21:01Soader03Someone know why the #gigabeat channel (from the GigabeatFXPort) page doesn't work?
02:21:24linuxstbYou can only access #rockbox from the rockbox.org web client. You need to use a real IRC client.
02:21:26JdGordonbcause our webclient is only for this channel
02:22:12Soader03oh, ok, then...
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02:23:29Nimdaemirc, pirch, xchat, irssi, bitchx, etc
02:23:32Nimdaeoh
02:23:33Nimdaehe left
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02:30:04Soapwoo hoo 8/10th of a percent speedup from changing the matrix!
02:30:08Soap;)
02:31:16linuxstbYou mean 0.8% ?
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02:32:29Soapyes
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02:33:17Soapno discernable difference between video quality, though, when comparing frames.
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02:35:09Soapnext I'll try 1/2 the number of B frames. My prediction is frame rates half way between the IPPPPP wiki ones and the IBBPBBP ones I made earlier.
02:35:28Nimdaenow, lets see how "l33t" i am
02:35:42linuxstbSoap: See you in 100 minutes...
02:35:43Nimdaewtf
02:35:45Nimdaeit built
02:35:52SoapNimdae: did you make one combining the pluggins?
02:35:57Nimdaeyeah
02:36:02Soapcool.
02:36:07Nimdaei have to scroll up to see this for myself
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02:45:31Nimdaeis there a file i need to edit for a plugin to be included?
02:45:43linuxstbapps/plugins/SOURCES
02:45:49Nimdaeoh yeah
02:46:00Nimdaei forgot i did that for the first one i did
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02:47:27mdkehi there, this isn't strictly a rockbox question, more of an ipod question, but you've been very helpful and you know lots about ipods
02:47:42Nimdaei hope it's rockbox related
02:47:44mdkeI put a fair amount of mp3s and oggs on my ipod and have been happily listening to them with rockbox
02:48:12mdkenow I've tried to copy them off the ipod, and have found a lot of files named *.mp4, which I can't play in my desktop media players.
02:48:19mdkedoes anyone know what the cause might be?
02:48:23mdkeNimdae: well, I'm not sure it is
02:48:45Nimdaeare these files in the numbered directories placed there by itunes?
02:48:57mdkewell, I believe I used gtkpod, but yeah
02:49:10mdkethey are in the numbered directories alright
02:49:13linuxstbYou used gtkpod to transfer the oggs?
02:49:30mdkeI can't remember now, I'm afraid. It would have been that or banshee I suppose
02:49:45Nimdaehah, i forgot to add a function declaration
02:49:47Nimdaesilly me
02:50:23linuxstbI'm only guessing (I've never used gtkpod), but maybe it transcoded the oggs to mp4 (i.e. AAC) thinking your ipod couldn't play them.
02:51:35Nimdaepossibly
02:51:35mdkeI'm trying to recall which files were ogg and which weren't to try and test that theory
02:52:13mdkewould the apple firmware have renamed them if I tried to play the oggs?
02:52:55linuxstbThe Apple firmware only plays files listed in the database. I doubt it would rename the files.
02:53:08mdkewell, unrenaming them hasn't helped either, so maybe your theory is right
02:53:16mdkedamnit, lots of repair work to do
02:53:36linuxstbI'm guessing you're running Ubuntu?
02:53:49linuxstbIf you have mplayer installed, that should play your .mp4 files.
02:53:49mdkeyes
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02:56:46mdkelinuxstb: doesn't seem to.
02:57:16mdkebah humbug
02:57:52mdkeI need to use cp and rockbox from now on, clearly :)
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02:58:45Nimdaethere, now it builds for real
02:58:47Nimdaequestion is
02:58:51Nimdaedoes it work?
02:58:55Nimdaeknowing me, it'll format my ipod
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03:00:35mdkelinuxstb: thanks again :D
03:00:53mdkeyou guys are exceptionally helpful around here
03:01:59Nimdaei expect a tip
03:02:38Mouser_X"Look both ways when crossing the street."
03:02:43Mouser_XHow's that?
03:02:47Nimdaegreat!
03:02:48Nimdaethanks!
03:03:11Mouser_XGlad to help.
03:03:11Mouser_X:)
03:03:14DerPapst_hahahaha
03:03:59Nimdaewell
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03:04:02Nimdaeit starts the fire display
03:04:13Nimdaebut never starts the battery_bench code
03:04:17Nimdaemeh
03:04:43linuxstbBenC: Use the "cvs builds" - they're the same thing.
03:04:56BenC"fonts" isnt there?
03:05:01linuxstbhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip
03:05:16BenCcheers
03:05:22BenCjust looking through the install options
03:05:24*mdke nods at BenC
03:05:36BenCim guessing theres not an installer for it for ipod photo?
03:05:53linuxstbDo you already have ipodlinux installed?
03:05:57DerPapst_BenC: do you still have a loder installed from iPodLinux?
03:05:59BenCI could have
03:06:05BenCI mean - I could install it
03:06:29DerPapst_no then take the rockboxloader if you don't want to use iPL anymore
03:06:36linuxstbThe ipod install instructions are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta
03:08:59Nimdaeblah, i don't have winscp installed so i'm using the explorer based ftp to access my server (where i'm doing the building since it has a build environment already)...stupid thing places the zip file in random places on my desktop and i have to hunt it down onec it downloads
03:10:55NimdaeSWEET
03:10:56NimdaeIT WORKS
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03:12:01NimdaeSWEET IT CRASHED
03:12:30BenC:|
03:12:30BenCCannot create or replace .rockbox: Data error (cyclic redundancy check).
03:12:30Mouser_Xlol
03:12:35BenCthinking my ipod is dead :|
03:12:49Mouser_X(lol @ Nimdae)
03:13:24Nimdaei think i know why it crashed
03:14:06Nimdaea lot i had to work around to keep from duplicating stuff, and i might have removed too much on exiting from the plugin
03:14:18Nimdaeso not everything is closed off
03:15:07Gon2mmm
03:15:10Gon2does rockbox play those ipod games?
03:15:41DerPapst_Gon2: no
03:15:47Gon2kk
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03:27:05BenCrockbox = very simple text interface, right?
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03:28:03DigammaFrom what I see on the wiki; the sansa e200 has attained audio support?
03:28:31markunBenC: it can be
03:28:53DigammaThe CVS...?
03:29:05LloreanDigamma: Where does it say this?
03:29:25BenCmarkun, just looking through the menus and things.. all black text and battery meter etc, right?
03:29:26DigammaWell; it no longer states the audio disablilty in the wiki
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03:29:43DigammaTake a look yourself; it has been revised to v9
03:30:07Soaplinuxstb: should the rockbox mpeg player be able to support VBR videos?
03:30:49markunBenC: you can choose a backdrop, change the font and fontcolour and use a WPS: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
03:31:10LloreanDigamma: What page are you referring to, there's no version number on the official Sansa port page.
03:31:25DigammaI know
03:31:33LloreanOr are you referring to the r9 of the page revision.
03:31:35Digammayeas
03:31:42LloreanSo why'd you say "v9" then?
03:31:49linuxstbSoap: Yes. Are you having problems?
03:31:54Digammasorry; I thought it was v9,
03:31:59BenCmarkun are the supported on ipod photo?
03:32:03LloreanThere's still no green check next to the DAC driver, as you'll notice
03:32:19LloreanMeaning it doesn't work yet.
03:32:43Soaplinuxstb: I haven't tried yet, but I was going to push the low-bitrate envelope tonight with a multi-pass VBR with high precision motion detection, the whole works.
03:32:54DigammaIn other words; no audio
03:32:56Soap(as I slept)
03:32:59LloreanThe "no sound" was replaced with a far more descriptive and meaningful way of saying "no sound"
03:33:07DigammaWhy is there a lack of this information in *r*9?
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03:33:33LloreanDigamma: I'd hardly call "Audio DAC driver - We have not been able to obtain documentation for the DAC" with the yellow exclamation a lack of information.
03:33:51DigammaI apologise
03:33:56DigammaI did not fully read it
03:34:21DigammaYou need further incinuate that I was hasty
03:34:49LloreanI have clarified it, it now says clearly on that line that there is no audio support.
03:35:34Soapbut is there unsupported audio?
03:35:53Soap;)
03:36:25JdGordonoh damn... wen did genre9mp3 leave?
03:36:35LloreanSoap: Yes, but you can't hear it.
03:37:54Digammalol
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03:40:04Injectionhello
03:40:27LloreanSoap: I'll be excited when the Sansa has audio. I like it a good deal better than the Nano anyway.
03:40:53Injectionany progress on creative zen vision m?
03:41:11Nimdaeis there even work on the zen vision m?
03:41:43NimdaeLlorean: i successfully (sorta) combined fire and battery_bench and created 2 versions, one that boosts and one that doesn't
03:41:56LloreanInjection: I would say "No, we're still in the early phases, somewhere around 'Step 1: Wait for people who have the hardware to start working on it,'"
03:42:02LloreanNimdae: Good deal.
03:42:14Injectionis hter?
03:42:33LloreanInjection: Nobody is working on it.
03:42:38Injectionmm
03:42:43Nimdaenow, lets run the noboost version and see if it doesn't crash, heh
03:42:49Injectioni want to try
03:42:51Injectionbut i dont know where to start
03:42:56LloreanNimdae: Good luck. I'll be curious to know the results.
03:43:06Nimdaeme too
03:43:08Injectionwhere do i start?
03:43:22NimdaeInjection: i'd recommend browsing the source code
03:43:36Nimdaeand possibly browsing the specs on the zen vision m
03:43:58Injectionkk
03:44:01LloreanNimdae: One thing, after about 4 or 5 hours, I would suggest stopping the plugin and quitting, as the buffered writes that the battery_bench use won't happen since Fire doesn't access the disk.
03:44:27LloreanNimdae: Then, once you've got the two benches, pick a start point like 90% and an end point like 30%, some range that they both cover with equal voltages at each, and use that to compare times.
03:45:07LloreanInjection: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
03:45:43LloreanNimdae: Or you could just fix it to write to disk every X minutes, rather than using the delayed writes, I suppose
03:47:00Nimdaeif i remember correctly, the battery bench will spin the disk up and write if it finds it's not writing often enough
03:47:29LloreanDunno
03:47:31Llorean:)
03:49:10Nimdaeactually, if i remember correctly, there use to be no way to check if the disk was spinning, so it would just commit a write, which would prompt rockbox to spin up the disk and write
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03:52:59Nimdaelooks like it will write when it is not in usb mode and it has info, and when it is either exiting, it reaches some kind of timeout (i'm guessing), or the disk is active (i'm betting this was added when the function was added)
03:54:06Nimdaeyeah, that's a timeout
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04:04:31Soader03I got a question: is it normal when I listen to music and when I play the plugin "fire", the music cuts every 2-3 seconds???
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04:05:23Soader03Um, and I'm a gigabeat user
04:05:55markunhi Soader03
04:06:03Soader03hey, markun!
04:06:08markunwhich build are you using?
04:06:16Soader03the 25th
04:06:32Soader03december 25th
04:08:40markunSoader03: from now on you can get the latest builds here: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
04:09:01markunstill didn't install a IRC client?
04:09:17Soader03what is the best?
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04:10:19markunSoader03: I don't know depends on your OS also. But I will go to sleep now.
04:10:24markunGood night
04:10:29Soader03bye!
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04:31:48Soapcutting the number of B frames in half didn't change the FPS one bit.
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04:46:37LloreanSoap: So, B frames should be kept for size/quality benefit?
04:48:16Nimdaewell, since my ipod is benchmarking, i'm gonna load up some music elsewhere
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04:50:50linuxstbLlorean: The mpeg2enc manpage would argue with you saying that - "Experts differ on how much using B frames improves compression. In practice unless you have really clean material they tend to be fairly useless and sometimes even harmful."
04:51:28Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah, fair enough.
04:51:59Nimdaehmmm...i haven't heard the disk spin up on my ipod (got it against my ear)...i wonder if it's even attempting to write
04:52:08Lloreanlinuxstb: In all honesty, I'm already at the "it's good enough for me" point with filesize and visual quality, so now it's just curiosity.
04:52:42linuxstbSame for me. I'm just interested in how encoding settings affect the decode speed.
04:53:24LloreanYeah, to me the absolute most important thing is smooth playback anyway.
04:53:56Nimdaeoh sweet, i crashed it again
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04:55:52Nimdaeit was definately writing
04:55:54Nimdaeheh
04:55:59*Nimdae recharges ipod
04:56:54Nimdae50 minute runtime, 90% to 60%
04:57:32Nimdaeobviously not typical battery burn for music playback
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05:16:53LloreanNimdae: The percentage doesn't decrease linearly though. For example, 90% to 10% on my nano is about 3:30, but I get about 5 or 6 hours playback time on it total.
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05:19:00Nimdaewell, this isn't exactly playback either
05:19:17Nimdaei get a LOT more time on playback from 90 to 60
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05:19:37Nimdaeremember, we're getting a comparison on battery drain between boost and non-boost
05:19:47Nimdaeand the fire pluggin is cpu intensive
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05:27:10LloreanNimdae: Aye, it really doesn't matter what real percent of your time it is, as long as the 90% and the 60% represent the same voltages for the two tests.
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06:04:38neutralrobotboyis there anyone in here who can answer some questions about the iriver h3xx port?
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06:26:26JdGordonanyone know a good linux coolmon replacement?
06:27:00Nimdaewhat's coolmon?
06:27:10JdGordonshows computer stats on the desktop
06:27:12JdGordonamong other things...
06:27:44Nimdaethat looks absurd
06:27:53Nimdaegkrellm?
06:28:13Nimdaeoh, that's windows
06:28:14Nimdaewtf
06:28:20Nimdae(coolmon, not gkrellm)
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06:51:26rockboxsucksrockbox is shit
06:51:33rockboxsuckslinux ALL THE WAY
06:52:21rockboxsucksrockbox sucks 2 much battery and allu can do is play ur shit songs and look at your gay xobox piece of crap
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06:52:33JdGordonbye bye :D
06:52:40Kick(#rockbox rockboxsucks :goodbye troll) by scorche!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche
06:53:29scorcheipl suck up less battery?...heh
06:53:40daurnimatorwtf do you expect to do with a music player besides play your music :S
06:54:02daurnimatorand how do you play your xbox with your ipod :D
06:55:09scorchemeh...no use in disclaiming everything as false even if it is...he was just a troll =/
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06:55:51trypt0_ /sigh he should code it himself
06:56:05scorchei very much doubt he would have the ability
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06:59:03Mouser_XWell, what I can't understand, is why you'd want Linux on the iPod anyway...
06:59:09Mouser_XSeems like a waste to me.
06:59:52Mouser_XThere's plenty of other devices that get you more for your money, run better, and have better features, and use Linux natively, without having to change anything at all.
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07:00:20Mouser_XAnd, especially on a portable media player... Don't people buy those things to listen to music?
07:00:38Mouser_XWhat, do you plan on typing up an essay for school on your iPod?
07:00:41Mouser_X...
07:00:48Mouser_XSure seems like the way to go to me...
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07:01:03Mouser_XJust saying, is all.
07:01:13scorcheit is just the kernel....not a whole OS like that..
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07:03:23Mouser_XSo, how is that even useful?
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07:05:03scorcheit require
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07:26:06scorchewhat did you need him for?
07:26:28Nimdaeso i did this test, used the fire plugin to create cpu load, and merged battery bench into the plugin (actually created a new plugin for it as to leave the originals alone), test was boosted and unboosted...battery drain from 90 to 60 is about the same amount of time at 30 mhz and 75 mhz
07:28:03Nimdaellorean was curious about that
07:28:13Nimdaei'll do full drains tomorrow
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07:34:48neutralrobotboyhey, can someone answer some questions about the iriver h3xx port of rockbox?
07:36:48neutralrobotboyi don't understand what exactly is not functioning in the current version of it. it says for example that "multi-codec audio playback with seeking support" is 50% done, but i don't really understand why or what exactly is missing.
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07:49:44JdGordonneutralrobotboy: it works fine.. dont orry about whatever said that
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08:25:36Gon2ey
08:25:40Gon2i gotta question
08:25:54Gon2does ipod video 30gb 5.5g with rockbox use less battery?
08:26:00Gon2or does it use more?
08:27:24tychveruses quite a lot more
08:27:34tychverbattery life is significantly reduced
08:32:50Mouser_XI'm assuming that the iPod 5.5g lasts longer than the 5g, though, right?
08:33:09Mouser_XOr, I should say, am I right in assuming that?
08:34:01tychveriPod 5.5G has no advantages relative to the ipod 5G
08:34:08Mouser_XOh.
08:34:10tychverother than a brighter screen
08:34:30Mouser_XI thought I read somewhere that the 5.5g had a bigger battery, or something to that effect.
08:34:47Mouser_XGuess I was either mistaken, or misunderstood what I read.
08:34:51tychverthe 60GB/80GB versions have better battery life due to their larger batteries, larger and therefore faster discs and more buffer memory
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08:35:45amiconnThe 60/80GB's harddisks aren't faster, and they consume more power when starting because they have 2 platters instead of one
08:35:51Mouser_XBut Rockbox doesn't yet support the 60 GB, does it? (I know the 80 GB isn't supported, because Rockbox can't access the drive, for some reason)
08:36:37tychverthat's true, faster=bigger only works for discs with the same number of platters
08:40:20daurnimatorJdGordon: you there?
08:55:35neutralrobotboyhmm... ok. it says on the iriverh300 faq that video isn't really supported, and rockbox isn't tested with the korean firmware...
08:56:31neutralrobotboyanyone here with an iriver3x0 who's tried rockbox with the korean firmware?
08:56:34EspeonEefiMouser_X: Rockbox works on the 60 GB version.
08:56:53EspeonEefiMouser_X: The only recent iPod that Rockbox does not work on right now is the 80 GB iPod.
08:57:24Mouser_XAh, thanks.
08:57:51EspeonEefiMouser_X: Also, the 5.5G have slightly better battery life because their screens are both brighter and more efficient. Otherwise, they're about on par with the original 5Gs...
08:59:33Mouser_XHmmm. I've been thinking of getting a 30 GB, due to pricing.
08:59:54Mouser_XI've found one (new, I think...) for $170.
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09:00:14Mouser_XAny idea what good price I might find a 60 GB for?
09:01:30Mouser_X($170 is pushing it, for me... Though, I'd consider paying more than that, if the price is good enough [obviously, for a better model]...)
09:01:48EspeonEefiMouser_X: Not sure. I haven't really investigated the market myself.
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09:01:59Mouser_XNo problem.
09:02:04Mouser_XJust wondered.
09:05:58BHSPitMonkeyyawn
09:06:46Gon2[2:27am] <tychver> uses quite a lot more
09:06:46Gon2[2:27am] <tychver> battery life is significantly reduced
09:07:03Gon2so when i use rockbox with 5.5g ipod 30gb the battery life is less?
09:07:14Mouser_XNo.
09:07:26scorchethan stock firmware, yes
09:07:35Mouser_XSorry, I misread what you were asking.
09:07:49Gon2wait wait so which one is more efficient, rockbox or stock firmware>?
09:07:54Gon2in terms of battery
09:08:05Mouser_XYes, using Rockbox, as opposed to the firmware, the battery life will be cut in half.
09:08:10Mouser_XOr, thereabouts, I've heard.
09:08:17Gon2oh
09:08:17scorchenot that drastic
09:08:37Mouser_XOh, well, I guess it depends on how you use it.
09:08:59Mouser_XThat's what someone else told me, but I think they were doing a lot of disc reads with it.
09:09:09Gon2which one has better sound quality
09:09:12Gon2rockbox or stock?
09:09:29Mouser_XI'd think Rockbox, but I wouldn't know.
09:09:36scorchesame quality...just plenty more options to change how it sounds in rockbox
09:09:49Gon2oh ok
09:09:50Gon2thx
09:10:06Mouser_XRockbox has a much wider range of supported formats, as well.
09:10:20BHSPitMonkeywoah, you tricked me Mouser_X
09:10:25BHSPitMonkeyI thought I was in usf
09:10:28Mouser_XOGG, MP3, FLAC, ADX, NSF, SPC (supposedly).
09:10:43Mouser_X(SPC, supposedly)
09:10:52scorchethere are much more than that
09:10:56scorchesee the site for the list
09:10:58Mouser_XWell, yah.
09:11:12Mouser_XNot like I'd know them all off the top of my head though.
09:11:21Mouser_XNor would I want to type them all out...
09:11:33scorchewell, you started to..
09:11:43Mouser_XOnly the ones I'm most likely to use.
09:12:38BHSPitMonkeyyou shouldn't have used a period.
09:13:02Mouser_XAnd you should have capitalized your "Y."
09:13:08Mouser_XIn other words, huh?
09:13:42Gon2oh
09:13:49Gon2thx pplz
09:14:13Mouser_XGlad to help (if I did).
09:14:20scorchenot really ;)
09:14:26Mouser_X...
09:14:30Mouser_XI tried.
09:14:37scorchejees....i kid i kid....
09:14:53Mouser_XI figured.
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09:15:09Mouser_XOtherwise, I probably wouldn't have added "I tried."
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09:56:26neutralrobotboyi can't seem to figure out how to turn my iriver h320 off after flashing it with rockbox.
09:56:41neutralrobotboyanyone got ideas better than letting it idle?
09:58:27tsuyoshihm.. so I am reading the pp5024 data sheet and it says "integrated 128kb of sram"
09:58:45tsuyoshiis that just l2 cache or what?
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09:59:43markuntychver: I don't think it's cache but just fast memory you can use. In rockbox called IRAM.
09:59:53markuntsuyoshi: that was for you..
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10:01:04tychverI meant that it could cache more audio decreasing the need to spin the disc up
10:01:34markuncompared to ~30MB SDRAM?
10:01:57markunthere are far better uses for it
10:04:38tychverbetter than needing to spin the disk up less than half as often?
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10:05:48markunyes, using IRAM for often used parts of the codec makes the music decoding fast enough to real time
10:05:58markunwithout it you would have skipping all the time
10:07:00tychveryes which is why by doubling the memory and keeping the same size/length decoding buffer you only need to spin the disc up less than half as much
10:07:17markundoubling?
10:07:43markun30MB + 128KB isn't doubling
10:08:15tychverthe 60GB has 60MB of RAM
10:08:31tychverthe 30 has 30
10:08:53markunyes, it has 64, so probably uses about 62 for the buffer
10:08:58jeffbis there a list of stuff that needs development resources for rockbox?
10:09:22jeffb(other than the 80gb task)
10:09:46tychverif you mean by loading 62MB of audio into the RAM ready to be decoded then yes it does
10:10:03tychverthe processor cache is used on in the decoding process
10:10:22markuntychver: I think I'm confused with the conversation I head with tsuyoshi ;)
10:10:33tychverfair enough :P
10:11:01markunwhat was "I meant that it could cache more audio decreasing the need to spin the disc up" refering to?
10:11:23tychverto be honest I've already forgotten
10:12:16markunso are you asking how to use the max amount of buffer on the ipod video 60GB?
10:12:17tychveroh, right, the more RAM in the larger sizes of 5/5.5G iPods
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10:12:32Mouser_XOther than the Archos player, what does Rockbox run on the best?
10:12:54Mouser_XMost stabily, best battery life, that sort of thing.
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10:12:59markunMouser_X: irive H120 maybe
10:13:20Mouser_XHmmm. Those are becoming hard to come by, I think.
10:13:34Mouser_XCan you change/upgrade the HDD on those?
10:13:53Mouser_X(I don't know if they have a 30GB version)
10:14:12markunMouser_X: (advertisement alert) the Gigabeat F and X also run pretty well :)
10:14:25Mouser_XAh, I wasn't aware of that...
10:14:45Mouser_XI thought gigabeat support was still in the works (moreso than iPod, I mean).
10:15:39markunit is, but progressig quickly
10:16:10Mouser_XHmmm.
10:16:16tsuyoshioh.. so how do you access this iram? is it just at a particular address?
10:16:38*Mouser_X will look into it more later...
10:16:42tsuyoshimust be
10:16:43markunMouser_X: Someone did a battery test and he got 13 hours on an old battery (the original firmware can run up to 16 hours with a new one)
10:16:49Mouser_XSleep is what I should be doing now...
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10:17:21Mouser_XK, that's good to hear.
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10:18:13Mouser_XI'll definatly keep an eye out for the iriver H120, and a Gigabeat (is there different kinds of Gigabeats, and if yes, what should I be looking for specifically?).
10:18:38markunGigabeat S doesn't work, but it's the only one still in production
10:19:23markunX is the same as F, but slightly bigger screen (2.4" vs 2.2") and is a bit smaller
10:19:48markuncompared to the iriver, it doesn't have recording and optical in/out
10:20:05Mouser_XHmmm. So, avoid the "S," and look for the "X."
10:20:14markunbut can playback video at full speed with audio in rockbox (not in the original firmware)
10:20:26Mouser_XHeh, that's good news.
10:20:38markunX is very hard to get. Only sold in Japan and Australia.
10:20:44Mouser_XAh....
10:20:49tychverand New Zealand
10:20:49Mouser_XThe F, then.
10:21:33*Mouser_X searches Froogle for H120s, and Gigabeats.
10:21:41Mouser_XNot having good luck on eBay...
10:22:22tychverI should think the Gigabeat can playback video with audio at full speed, it has a 300MHz ARM9
10:22:29amiconnmarkun: Speaking about the gigabeat - are there some installation instructions?
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10:23:48JdGordonamiconn: the only tihng holding back the cue support patch by Nico_P is its crazy mem usage yeah?
10:23:49markunamiconn: yes. hotwire moved them here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort
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10:28:35JdGordonGenre9mp3: hey, did you see my reply on the forums?
10:29:05amiconnmarkun: Ok, so the upgrade procedure is similar to the X5 (just put the firmware file in a certain directory and restart)
10:29:37amiconnDoes it get flashed, or is it loaded from disk every boot?
10:29:53Mouser_Xmarkun: How can I tell the difference between the F, X, and S?
10:30:03Mouser_X(For the Gigabeat, of course.)
10:31:14Genre9mp3JdGordon: Yes.. just read it
10:31:18markunMouser_X: visually?
10:31:33Genre9mp3JdGordon: So it was like this all the time... really odd
10:31:42JdGordonGenre9mp3: yeah, i guess so
10:31:51markunIf it says "brand new Gigabeat S30" it's the S series etc..
10:32:25Mouser_XI've noticed that one, and figured that.
10:32:35Mouser_XMost of them don't say anything other than "gigabeat" and the amount of storage.
10:32:46markunMouser_X: can you give me a link?
10:33:04Mouser_Xhttp://www.pricegrabber.com/search.php?form_keyword=gigabeat&topcat_id=v
10:33:14Mouser_XNot the best one, but you get the idea.
10:34:08markun"MEGF20S" -
10:34:12markun= F20
10:34:28markunthe the last 3 are all F series
10:34:35Mouser_XAh, thanks.
10:34:54Mouser_XThey're all a tad more than I'd like to pay, but at least I know what to look for.
10:35:12Mouser_XI found a 60GB for $200, so I'd say that's worth it.
10:35:20Mouser_XIt's out of stock, is the problem...
10:35:39markunI was told the F40 now sells for < 100$ in some places
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10:35:57markunThat's even cheaper that the HDD would be alone
10:36:00Mouser_XOoooh...
10:36:12markunLet me search for a link
10:36:28Mouser_XMy prefered price is between $100 and $150.
10:36:42Mouser_XI'm willing to pay more, but $200 is pushing it...
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10:37:06Mouser_XOf course, being able to run rockbox is a must...
10:37:08Mouser_X:P
10:37:28BHSPitLappyindeed
10:37:59*Mouser_X should be in bed...
10:37:59Mouser_X:(
10:38:16BHSPitLappyI paid 275 for a new 5G with the apple wall charger
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10:39:23Mouser_XAnd I'm not willing to pay that much...
10:39:46neutralrobotboythe rockbox plugins listed in the manual seem to have not installed with rockbox. is there a way for me to get them separately?
10:40:21amiconnugh
10:40:41*amiconn just found the (probably) most expensive mp3 player of the world
10:40:43Mouser_X...
10:40:50amiconnhttp://www.alternate.de/html/productDetails.html?artno=KNAK4Z
10:40:53Mouser_XHow much, and why so costly?
10:40:55Genre9mp3amiconn: an mp3 made of gold?
10:40:56amiconn(german page)
10:41:06amiconnTrekStor i.Beat Organix Gold
10:41:11amiconn17999 EUR
10:41:38Genre9mp3amiconn: yes, I've seen that... but I think there's another one more expensive... one from Samsung, golden, too
10:42:15Genre9mp3We should make Goldbox on these things :P
10:42:26neutralrobotboyoh, i see. they're in cvs but not the daily build for some reason.
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10:42:37markunMouser_X: can't find where goffa bought his gigaeat so cheap. Maybe it was ebay after all.
10:44:33Mouser_XHeh. No problem.
10:44:38amiconnNo gigabeats in german web shops, it seems
10:44:49Mouser_XFound a 40GB for less than $170.
10:44:55Mouser_XIn stock, as well.
10:45:06Genre9mp3amiconn: No, you are right, this Trekstor is way more expensive than the gold Samsung
10:45:25Mouser_Xmarkun: So, in comparison to the iPod, how is Rockbox fairing on the Gigabeat?
10:45:28Genre9mp3here's a page for the gold Samsung (costs about $1000) : http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/05/samsung-pimps-out-18k-gold-yp-z5/
10:45:38markunamiconn: I don't think the Gigabeat was sold in europe except for the UK
10:45:45amiconnaha
10:46:40Mouser_Xmarkun: Or, should I join the #gigabeat channel for more info?
10:46:45markunMouser_X: I should fill in the comparison chart
10:47:06Mouser_XI saw that at one point, but I can't find it now...
10:47:08markunyes, you could come to #gigabeat, but it's a bit quiet at the moment
10:47:15Mouser_XAh.
10:47:38Mouser_XMaybe later then, when I should actually be awake (as opposed to now, when I should be asleep).
10:48:11amiconnmarkun: Are there F or X models with more than 40GB?
10:48:35Mouser_X<markun> I should fill in the comparison chart −−> Link? I could have sworn I saw that at one point.
10:48:37markunamiconn: yes, both have a 60GB version
10:49:20Mouser_Xamiconn: I found a 60GB version, but it was out of stock.
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10:49:28Mouser_XDecent price, too.
10:50:07Mouser_X(I'm pretty sure it was one of the F or X series, anyway.)
10:50:07amiconnhmm
10:50:28markunMouser_X: WhyRockbox has a chart, but I don't think I was looking for that one
10:50:39*amiconn either needs to get wav / aiff (and hopefully flac) working on archos soon, or get an 80GB 1.8" hdd to put into his H140
10:51:01markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison
10:51:32Mouser_XThanks.
10:51:43Mouser_XThough, it's not the one I saw...
10:51:45Genre9mp3amiconn: the first way is costless, the second way is effortless..
10:51:48markunMouser_X: neither chart tells you much how the targets compare to eachother..
10:51:57Mouser_XThe one I saw had battery information as well.
10:52:20markunamiconn: do you know which wiki page we are looking for?
10:52:24Mouser_X(And was displayed differently)
10:52:31amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
10:54:34Mouser_XThat hasn't been updated in awhile, it looks like. No iPod 5gs on there.
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10:55:33amiconnMouser_X: I can clearly see an iPod Video column...
10:56:03Mouser_XHeh. Silly me.. Semantics got in the way...
10:56:11Mouser_XSorry about that.
10:56:24Mouser_X(I think semantics is the word I wanted)
10:59:28Mouser_Xmarkun: I'm assuming that this isn't supported by Rockbox?
10:59:30Mouser_Xhttp://froogle.google.com/froogle_url?q=https://usm.channelonline.com/magnumpc/storesite/Products/Overview/%3Fid%3DM003349839&fr=ABJqdO33mDYmJajhlClEv0lODPGiWGGrWCxdGNWQNlWkgm3wbPMuNZcAAAAAAAAAAA&gl=us&hl=en
10:59:33Mouser_X...
10:59:39Mouser_XSorry about the messy link.
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11:00:34markunMouser_X: no, it isn't
11:00:51Mouser_XYah, I figured as much.
11:01:08Mouser_XThe thing said something about "newest addition to the gigabeat family" or something like that.
11:01:29Mouser_XWhich I didn't see until after I posted the link.
11:04:48Mouser_Xmarkun: If I wanted, could I simply buy a bigger drive later, and put it into a Gigabeat, and use the full thing?
11:05:05Mouser_XOr, will they only work with the same-size drive they came with?
11:12:59*Mouser_X goes to bed.
11:13:04Mouser_XI'll look into it more later.
11:13:39markungood night
11:13:48markunbtw, I just filled out the dev chart
11:15:18Mouser_XHmm?
11:16:25markunhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
11:17:10Mouser_XAh.
11:17:15Mouser_XNice
11:17:52markunI will add the X series too
11:18:34Mouser_XSo, can you add a larger drive, later, if you wanted, even if you bought a 30 or 40 GB model?
11:18:57Mouser_XWell, upgrade to a larger drive, not add...
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11:31:00amiconnWell, in theory, if you find a way to physically place and connect another drive, it's even possible to add a (secondary) harddrive to a rockboxable unit
11:31:30amiconnATA supports 2 drives per channel (master and slave), so this would just require some small changes to the ata driver
11:32:33tsuyoshiis that physically feasible though
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11:51:36amiconnmarkun: I'm puzzled about the CLIP() issue on gigabeat without volatile. There shouldn't be a problem with this block being moved as long as it's only moved obeying the constraints.
11:51:43amiconnI almost suspect a gcc bug...
11:52:11amiconnWhat gcc do you use for gigabeat? The same as for the other arm targets (4.0.3)?
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11:56:50markunamiconn: I use 4.0.2, but I think they others will be using 4.0.3
11:56:55markunthe others
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15:33:44SoapAs I feared, switching from MPLL MPEG2 to MPEG1 gave only a 1% speedup in mpegplayer FPS. Cutting average bitrate 25% and going VBR gave only a 1% speedup - which I find the most disapointing result, as it suggests the decoding:displaying ratio isn't nearly as decoding heavy as I assumed.
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15:53:30SoapGon2: You were asking seven hours ago about battery life on the 5.5G vs the 5G. ( Mouser_X you might also find this interesting) The 5.5G, according to Apple, has significantly longer /movie/ playback time than the 5th generation. When you look at the claimed /audio/ playback time, though, you will find that the numbers are identical to those listed for the 5th gen. This leads to the theory that the power savings is comming from one of two places 1 b
15:53:30Soapeing better useage of the Broadcomm chip (unlikely) 2 being less power hungry backlight. Since official apple testing procedure for audio playback time is done with backlight off, added backlight effeciency alone woud explain the longer video playback. ALL that being said - it would be really nice if some of the 5.5 owners contributed to the ipod runtime wiki page so that we could put the whole matter to bed once and for all.
15:54:35phrozen77Soap: how so? let the pod run a movie all the time?
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16:00:51webguest49can one set alarms with the clock plug in ?
16:01:00webguest49on targets which have rtc's
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16:05:03Soapphrozen77: "how so" what?
16:05:20phrozen77-> "ALL that being said - it would be really nice if some of the 5.5 owners contributed to the ipod runtime wiki page so that we could put the whole matter to bed once and for all."
16:05:53Soapjust normal runtime tests (audio) to show that the 5.5 is the same as the 5 in that regard.
16:06:31phrozen77mhm, will do so - next year ;)
16:06:44SoapA pair of tests, one in apple firmware, one in RB, so that we can judge the %. RB runtime tests alone don't tell us much as they can vary so much based upon the condition of the battery.
16:07:11phrozen77Soap: no RB tests for me on the 80gb model :|
16:07:12phrozen77yet
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16:40:19Soapdang. 4% speedup by dropping the B frames, but my encodes are still only running at 91% of the wiki encodes.
16:40:47Soapno change what so ever by switching from open to closed GOP.
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16:47:51webguest99anybody here?
16:48:11Genre9mp3130+
16:48:23phrozen77:P
16:49:19webguest99I've coded up the reversi plugin. In the plugins dir, I've created the subdir 'reversi' and placed few files there. How can I make them compile?
16:49:58webguest99Should I make some entries in sources/makefile/smth. else?
16:51:12Genre9mp3I guess you should edit apps/plugins/SOURCES for the plugin itself
16:52:32webguest99In the sudoku subdir, there is a rather complicated Makefile. Should I also make one?
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16:53:34webguest99Genre9mp3: sudoku is not mentioned in plugins/SOURCES. Is there some recursive logic in the build script that visits every subdir?
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16:54:07Genre9mp3I have no experience on this to tell you the truth, I don't know what needs to be done when it comes to subdirs
16:56:03markunwebguest99: look at SUBDIRS
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17:00:52webguest99markun: aha! That's it! Now I have to create the Makefile. Any advices?
17:01:44DerPapst_linuxstb: ping
17:02:19Mike_Ahello, i'm planning to buy iriver h10 and i'm wondering what is not finished yet since i've read on the site that h10 support is not complete
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17:04:43Genre9mp3Mike_A: The main problems AFAIK is limited battery life and no FM Radio
17:05:07Genre9mp3but I don't own an H10 myself
17:05:29Mike_Ai can live with no fm radio
17:05:35web-tazaloha
17:06:03Genre9mp3Mike_A: I'm sure there are more, H10 port is pretty new atm
17:06:18Mike_Abasically i want a player with FLAC support, but all the new ones (cowons) which support it are a bit too expensive for me, so i wanna get a used h10 and put rockbox on it
17:07:01Genre9mp3If you want to buy a used device why bother with H10 and not try to find an H300 or H100?
17:08:04Mike_Acosts more
17:08:08Mike_Ai'm really short on money
17:09:22Genre9mp3Mike_A: A quick search on ebay gave me an h120 with $81
17:09:46JdGordonhappy new yea all
17:10:07Genre9mp3JdGordon: Oh? It's 2007 there?
17:10:21web-tazJdGordon where are you?
17:10:28JdGordonaustralia
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17:10:35JdGordon3am 1/1/07 here
17:10:57Genre9mp3OMG! A man from the future! :)
17:10:58heavenlyguyhey wots up
17:11:07heavenlyguyhow the new year look
17:11:08heavenlyguylol
17:11:15Nico_PJdGordon: happy new year
17:11:41JdGordonhey Nico_P, did you see my comments on the wiki?
17:11:55Nico_PJdGordon: yes, I also had a quick look at the patch
17:12:00Nico_Pseems like a good idea
17:12:08heavenlyguy :D
17:12:34Nico_Pbut I think we'd actually need to store a second cuesheet in memory
17:12:59Nico_Pto allow playing two in a row
17:13:31Mike_AGenre9mp3 - what's the difference between the models anyway? can't find info on anything except the h10 on their websie
17:13:36Nico_Pi know that two in a row get mixed up
17:13:41JdGordonyeah, i think i agree.. what I tihnk needs to happen is we keep an array of pointers to cue_track structs, so we can have a max of say 99 tracks in say 5 cue sheets
17:14:06Nico_Pi think we only need two
17:14:18Nico_Pthe current and the next
17:14:19SoapMike_A: the H10 and H120 are completely different machines, all the way down to the processor level and all the way up to the screen.
17:14:50JdGordonyeah, well, 2 or more.. if they all come from the same array of structs there isnt really a problem with a number of cue shets that can be held at once
17:15:22Genre9mp3Mike_A: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=DeviceChart
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17:15:42Nico_Pyeah but i think there will never be more than two cuesheets loaded at a time... i'll check that though
17:16:34JdGordonprobably not
17:17:11Nico_Pso maybe we could simply have two cuesheet structs
17:18:37JdGordoni dunno... im going on holiday on tuesday, so ill leave it up to you. I wanted to add that tho incase you didnt know how about buffer_alloc()
17:19:17Nico_PJdGordon: thanks
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17:20:52JdGordonand on that note... hapy new year all. im going to bed
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17:22:22web-tazat 3o'clock? lamer -.-
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17:53:38Soapwhat's up xx?
17:53:48xxi had a few questions about the ipod nano 2G..
17:53:52xxwhat encryption are they using for the firmware?, and what steps would I take to begin trying to learn more about helping get ipodlinux working on nano 2nd Gen
17:54:10xx(from a devel perspective)
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18:02:32Soaahi everyone!
18:03:17Soaai'm trying to add in pressure based scrolling speed for the gigabeat port, but i don't know which file controls scrolling speed
18:03:21Soaaanyone knows?
18:13:15SoapIANAD, but have you looked at the ipod patch for accelerated scrolling? It might offer some clues.
18:13:32Soaahmm, i'll have a look, where is it?
18:13:51Soapone sec
18:14:41Soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5377 is an old one
18:14:53Soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 is the newer one
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18:16:45Soaathanks, but it switches to pages scrolling instead of scrolling faster
18:16:56Soaabut i'll have a look at the modifies files
18:16:58Soap5594 does?
18:17:07Soaamodified*
18:17:08Soaaoh wait
18:17:53Soaahmm, sounds interesting
18:18:00Soaai gotta go now though
18:18:03Soaabe back later
18:18:10Soaathanks for the link :)
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19:04:05Soaplinuxstb: the wiki encodes were made with which encoder?
19:05:25linuxstbmpeg2enc
19:05:35linuxstbmjpeg.sourceforge.net IIRC
19:06:15markunlinuxstb: and the resulting movies play back faster than generated with mencoder and vlc right?
19:06:22Soapthanks. No matter what I do, no matter how I duplicate the settings to the best of my ability, I can not produce the framerates acheived by those wiki encodes.
19:06:26linuxstbIn my experience, yes.
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19:07:17Soapeven with ugly hacks to the mpeg stream, no go.
19:07:31*linuxstb hugs mpeg2endc
19:07:34linuxstbor even mpeg2enc
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19:08:26linuxstbIt's very slow compared to ffmpeg, but it's my mpeg2 encoder of choice.
19:08:47gopphey any here know
19:08:52goppabout ipods hold switch
19:09:04Soaplinuxstb: do you recall the full command string you encoded with?
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19:09:09goppthis ipod works execpt the person who gave it to me
19:09:20linuxstbSoap: I gave you it last night...
19:09:21gopphas the missing white part and hold switch on top of the mini
19:09:27goppit in hold mode
19:09:38goppbut for some reason
19:09:38Soapmy bad then
19:09:45goppit still works, but I can't take it off hold mode
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19:09:47linuxstbUnless you want my script that does the decoding as well.
19:09:51goppis thier some apple ipod rerfence to thier hardware
19:09:53goppwebssite
19:10:14linuxstbSoap: I'll pastebin my script, one moment.
19:10:27SoapI can pull it out of the logs.
19:10:28DerPapst_linuxstb: a -write-firmware-bin option for ipodpatcher. tested it only once and it seems to work. http://www.felixbruns.de/paste/index.php?id=33
19:10:48goppany one have a good webpage on the ipod hardware
19:11:48linuxstbSoap: http://pastebin.ca/298183
19:11:54goppthe hold switch on top is missing sort of damged
19:11:57goppbut it boots up
19:12:03goppand it shows up in expoler
19:12:09goppbut it in hold mode
19:12:44linuxstbThe hold switch is hardware - i.e. Rockbox doesn't see button presses if it is on. So I guess you'll need to disassemble and fix.
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19:15:45gopplinux the sliver switch is missing
19:15:57goppit the top white part ans sliver switch are missing
19:16:09goppso is thier like something inside the mini part
19:16:13goppI move to take off hold mode
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19:17:19linuxstbI've no idea.
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19:31:10Soapunless I
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19:31:48Soap'm missing something, which I likely am, that isn't the script you used, is it linuxstb? Doesn't that script output at a bitrate of only 100?
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19:32:13Soapmpeg2enc -b 100 -a 3 -f 8 -D 10 -E -10 -K tmpgenc -4 1 -2 1 -o elephantsdream-$SIZE.m2v
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19:41:32linuxstbSoap: Yes and no... Yes according to the manpage, but if you check the filesize of the .m2v files, the answer is no.
19:41:43Soapyea
19:41:54Soapthe filesize is clearly 354
19:42:29linuxstbThe kbps I put in the filename is what I calculate from dividing the size of the file in bits by the duration in seconds.
19:43:25SoapI need to figure out what VBV buffer size mpeg2enc specified, for I can match mpeg2enc encoded file speed if I force a sub sized VBV buffer.
19:44:08ctaylorrheh...sounds like something I would dread maintaining.
19:44:28Soapand last question - I know you have many more important things to do - why did you choose -f 8 over -f 3?
19:44:34ctaylorr(wrong window)
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19:45:26linuxstbSoap: I can't remember if there was a specific reason. Probably just leftover from another encode script of mine - I normally use mpeg2enc to encode DVDs.
19:45:56linuxstbIt's possible that -f 8 may override the -b setting. I should look in the source.
19:46:09linuxstb-b is maximum bitrate btw.
19:47:00linuxstbSoap: Yes, I was thinking that the video buffer size could be the important factor.
19:47:31Soapthough -f 8 should set the buffer to ungodly DVD levels of like 500
19:47:51linuxstbWhat is your buffer size?
19:48:02*linuxstb goes to find the mpeg2enc source
19:48:05SoapMy -46 is encoding right now.
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19:49:23SoapI had most all at 224 before thinking that was the problem. I did one at 2 and it flew like the wind - but poor quality. If 46 is VCD standard we should be able to get away with 30 ish on 224x128
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19:53:19linuxstbSeems video_buffer_size is 280 for -f 8
19:53:19linuxstbSorry, 230.
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19:53:58linuxstbbitrate is set to 7500000, but only if it hasn't been specified on the command-line. So it looks like it is aiming for 100kbps...
19:54:42linuxstb-f 3 (and -f 9) also set the video buffer to 280.
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19:57:50Soapdang, there goes that theory
19:58:45linuxstbBut maybe you're right that the script I pasted isn't the exact version I used. It's possible I added in -b 100 as a test.
19:59:37SoapI don't see anything on the -D and -E switches in the man page either.
19:59:59linuxstbI also have a 4:3 version of the script, and that uses -q 6 instead of -b 100.
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20:01:19Soapthe q settings also make it VBR, which would throw my current comparisons out the window, as I was only comparing average FPS over the first 70 seconds of the movie.
20:01:21linuxstbAccording to my local manpage, -D is intra_dc_prec (8..11) and -E is unit_coeff_elim (-40..40).
20:02:25Soaphmm, DC precision of 10. 8 is what my encoder defaults to on SVCD and 9 for DVD.
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20:03:30linuxstbThe manpage says most commercial DVDs use 10.
20:04:40linuxstb(but 9 is the mpeg2enc default setting).
20:06:37Soapyea, I suspect the wiki ones are VBR, I need to find a program that can verify it.
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20:09:51linuxstbYes, I'm certain they are. The more I think about it, the less I recognise that -b option... I'm sure it was just a more recent test.
20:10:06linuxstbi.e. I just used -q 6 without -b.
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20:14:15SoapAll I've been able to verify so far is that using B frames in standard format causes about 4% speed reduction, all other things being equal, auto VBV works fine on a smart encoder, but a buffer too large is harmful.
20:15:11Soapforcing the VBV down to 46 did not give any speed advantage over "auto" but a 8% improvement over 224
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20:17:50Soapit also appears the the daily build of the mpegplayer pluggin doesn't recognize a MPEG2 file encoded internally at 24 FPS but in which the header says "play back at 12"
20:18:04Soapfor the frame limiter doesn't do anything on that file.
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20:20:29Soapopen vs. closed GOP makes no speed difference.
20:25:28gopphey
20:26:03goppany here knows what keep the ipod hold button closed when it don't have top bazzel
20:26:39goppthe top bezel is missing
20:30:46linuxstbSoap: If I understand my own code correctly, there is a frame period for each frame in the mpeg sequence header. This is what mpegplayer uses, so should be able to handle files with varying framerates within the file. But it doesn't look at any kind of header.
20:31:06linuxstbi.e. it keeps a running count of the total of the frame periods.
20:32:15SoapW/o proper stream diagnostic software I'm ASSuming the 12fps info is in the header as my encoder calls the setting "12FPS (24FPS internally)"
20:32:44goppWOW
20:32:45gopp8GB Compact Flash Microdrive available for ALL iPod Mini models. You can upgrade your existing 4GB or 6GB drive to 8GB with this product.
20:32:57goppyou can upgrade the mini to 8 gb
20:33:12SoapB
20:33:42Soap(pet peeve)
20:33:57SoapVLC plays back said file at 12FPS.
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20:34:43linuxstbSoap: Are you encoding and testing .m2v or .mpg?
20:34:52Soapm2v
20:37:52tsuyoshisoap: what are you trying to do again?
20:38:28Soaptsuyoshi: I'm trying to figure out how encoder settings influence mpeg playback.
20:38:31Soapspeed
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20:39:15Soapthough, the closer I look, it appears the 12FPS file has exactly the same number of frames as the 24 fps file, VLC is just dropping every other frame.
20:39:46tsuyoshithis is with mpeg2?
20:40:02tsuyoshimpeg2 doesn't allow 12fps, technically
20:41:21linuxstbofficially it doesn't allow it. Technically you can do anything.
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20:42:41tsuyoshiI suppose you could
20:43:14Soapand sub standard frame rates will likely be the only way to get full screen video running on the 5th gen screen w/o ungodly low bitrates.
20:43:18tsuyoshibut on a portable player.. you are better off using another video format anyway
20:43:35linuxstbWhy?
20:43:53Soapnot much is easier to decode than MPEG2 simple profile.
20:43:54linuxstbI mean, which format?
20:44:11linuxstbWe have little CPU and little RAM...
20:44:16tsuyoshiwhat cpu?
20:44:23linuxstb(and on the Coldfire targets, slow RAM).
20:44:50GodEateris that just a function of coldfire, or is it just the coldfire targets we support used crappy ram ?
20:45:24linuxstbEither a 124MHz Coldfire, or a PortalPlayer (two 75MHz arm7tdmi cores), or now a 300MHz ARM9 (Gigabeat - a different beast altogether).
20:45:24tsuyoshia 100 mhz arm should be good enough to decode a 15 fps mpeg4 stream
20:45:35linuxstbWe want a 30fps stream...
20:45:42linuxstbOn a 75mhz arm...
20:45:42tsuyoshiI thought portalplayer was 100mhz
20:46:57tsuyoshihmm
20:47:02linuxstbRockbox runs the PPs at a maximum of 75MHz. I think the PP5022 (in the 2nd gen ipod mini) can run faster, but that has a greyscale LCD, so isn't a target for mpegplayer.
20:47:09*GodEater points out we're doing it on undocumented CPUs as well
20:47:18Soapregardless, mpeg4 gives you decreased file sizes at the expense of CPU. most DAPs have plenty of file storage ability, but lack in the CPU department.
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20:48:31linuxstbBut I'm sure someone will port an mpeg4 decoder to Rockbox (e.g. a gigabeat user), and then we can compare.
20:49:02tsuyoshiwell.. as soon as we get audio working on the sansa, I intend to port it
20:49:28tsuyoshibut if the cpu is only 75 mhz, that would be a problem
20:49:35linuxstbYou don't need audio to start porting a video codec...
20:49:48GodEaterespecially not for people that can lipread :)
20:49:50tsuyoshiyeah but audio is more important than video to me
20:49:58tsuyoshiso I want to get that working first
20:50:05linuxstbAre you working on the audio driver?
20:50:10tsuyoshinot yet
20:50:25tsuyoshiI'm still learning arm assembly
20:50:38tsuyoshiso I can understand the firmware disassembly
20:50:39Soapahh, the sub frame rate videos TMPEGenc creates are made with duplicate frames. 12fps = doubled frames. 6fps = quaded frames.
20:51:12tsuyoshihmm.. if there are two cpus
20:51:24tsuyoshithen that's really more like 150 mhz, isn't it
20:51:37linuxstbIf you can use them efficiently, yes.
20:51:43tsuyoshivideo decoding isn't terribly difficult to parallelize
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20:52:44linuxstbThe problem on the PPs is cache coherency between the two cores - the caches are independent.
20:55:05tsuyoshihow much control do we have over the cache?
20:56:06linuxstbWe don't know much about it at the moment, but I think dan_a and others are discovering things...
20:57:13linuxstbBut I think we can invalidate and flush it.
20:57:33goppwow I didn't know you could upgrade ipod mini to 8 gigs
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21:05:30Soapthere is a patch (I think in the tracker) to allow you to run a mini off of a compact flash card.
21:06:06linuxstbI think it's in the wiki
21:06:22linuxstbThe Doom author put one in his mini IIRC.
21:06:27linuxstbs/Doom/rockdoom/
21:07:47linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiniCF
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21:08:32webguest87can anyone help me with installation
21:08:53webguest87uh
21:09:05webguest87what
21:09:16webguest87oh there it goes. delayed posting
21:09:41linuxstbWhat device do you have?
21:10:00webguest87ipod video 30g
21:10:07linuxstbAnd what's the problem?
21:10:42webguest87when im on the step to make a backup of the ipod firmware, it gives me a 40mb .bin file when it should be an 80 mb one
21:10:48webguest87one sec, ill get you a jpeg of the dos
21:10:50linuxstbYou posted in the forums?
21:10:53webguest87yeah
21:11:02linuxstbThe data error reading from the ipod...
21:11:34webguest87yeah? is there anything i can do about it
21:11:54linuxstbSounds like a Windows or hardware issue. I'm not sure what to suggest apart from trying different USB ports, or a different PC.
21:13:03webguest87ok, ill switch around some cables and ports. i entered the right commands though, right?
21:13:07linuxstbYou could also try skipping that step, but it means that if something goes wrong, you'll need to restore via itunes (which will wipe your music), rather than the easier restore operation of just writing that backup back to your ipod.
21:13:30linuxstbYes, the command looks perfect.
21:13:37Soap23 test files and all I can get is a 4% improvement over MPEG2 defaults. I'm off for the Holiday, I'll write up a wiki report on my tests eventually.
21:13:52linuxstbAre they all slower than mpeg2enc?
21:15:07Soapall my CBRs are slower than your VBR in the time frame I was measuring. I strongly suspect they will be nearly the same over the full length of the movie, I'll test that while traveling.
21:15:44linuxstbOK. Enjoy your trip.
21:16:19Soapif you want to test you could make a 354 one and compare it to the Q6 on the wiki.
21:16:42Soapbut that's neither here nor there.
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23:04:50GhoulunaticI need some more help with the Gigabeat version of Rockbox
23:06:32Mouser_XThen join #gigabeat
23:06:51Mouser_XTry typing "/join #gigabeat" without the " marks.
23:11:50Ghoulunaticok I just typed that in...
23:11:53Ghoulunaticnothing
23:12:06Mouser_XWhat client are you using?
23:12:21Mouser_XAre you accessing the IRC from the Rockbox webpage?
23:12:25Ghoulunaticyeah
23:12:32GhoulunaticI can use mIRC though
23:12:34Ghoulunaticwhats the server
23:12:42Mouser_XThat'd be why. It's not a full featured IRC client.
23:12:46Ghoulunaticgotcha
23:12:53Ghoulunaticirc.rockbox.org?
23:12:53Mouser_Xserver= irc.freenode.net
23:12:55Ghoulunaticah ok
23:13:02Ghoulunaticbrb
23:13:04Mouser_XNP
23:13:32Ghoulunaticmaybe...
23:14:06Ghoulunaticok brtb
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23:14:20Ghoulunaticthere we go
23:14:56Ghoulunaticoh man, this brings me back a ways :P
23:15:13Mouser_X...
23:15:19Mouser_XHaven't used it in awhile, I'm guessing?
23:15:20GhoulunaticI haven't used IRC in ages
23:15:26Ghoulunaticyeah, like 2 years
23:15:28Mouser_XHeh.
23:15:37Mouser_XI haven't updated mIRC in about that long...
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23:16:12Ghoulunaticyeah, I don't even know what version I am running
23:16:28Ghoulunatic6.12
23:17:05Mouser_X6.14 for me.
23:17:20*Mouser_X needs to check the batteries in his keyboard...
23:17:27Mouser_XIt keeps not working...
23:17:38Ghoulunatichmm..yeah
23:17:49Ghoulunaticthats the only thing I don't like about wireless stuff
23:22:04Ghoulunaticok, I'm not getting much of a rise out of the Gigabeat channel
23:22:14GhoulunaticI just need to know where to find the bootloader for it
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23:44:25Inf0rsansa m240 and wanting to play flac. rockbx not supporting this player yet?
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