| 00:00:50 | daurnimator | k |
| 00:00:55 | daurnimator | cyas all |
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| 00:08:50 | doktoreas | i think also the bootloader is bugged |
| 00:09:40 | ctaylorr | doktoreas: howso? |
| 00:10:09 | doktoreas | also if i keep the hold swith "on" it continues rebooting |
| 00:10:59 | doktoreas | it says loading original firmware and the reboot |
| 00:12:08 | ctaylorr | doktoreas: as linuxstb describes, there may well be bugs. You may want to see if similar behaviour is described in a bug on the tracker, and if not, open a new one. |
| 00:12:17 | topbloke | mine did that too when the battery was low |
| 00:17:14 | doktoreas | topbloke, i'll try to keep on chargin |
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| 00:29:05 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 00:29:24 | Juice^ | what is the current best player with a bigger screen like ipod video? |
| 00:29:49 | Juice^ | i might invest in another player sooner or later |
| 00:30:07 | ctaylorr | Juice^: that's pretty subjective. describe `best'. |
| 00:30:12 | Juice^ | right... |
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| 00:30:52 | Juice^ | well, compitable with rockbox, good storage capacity.. battery time, speed of decoding flac/videos etc |
| 00:31:30 | puetzk | Juice^, I like my iaudio x5, but I've only had it since christmas so it may be pretty early to say :-) |
| 00:31:50 | ctaylorr | Juice^: speed of decoding video :) You know, I don't think anyone can predict what the outlook on preformance is. |
| 00:31:54 | scorche | you might want to look into the gigabeats, but be aware that they are still a pretty new port |
| 00:32:00 | puetzk | I've not tried video on it, screen's pretty small for that (but I think the same of my dad's iPod video, so there's an element of taste there) |
| 00:32:10 | markun | scorche: but working quite well already |
| 00:32:11 | Mouser_X | Juice^: The Gigabeat sounds nice. I don't have one, but I'll probably be getting one. |
| 00:32:25 | scorche | markun: indeed...one of our best "releases" ;) |
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| 00:32:35 | Juice^ | okey. i've taken a small peek at the gigabeats and they look neat yes |
| 00:33:00 | markun | Juice^: be carefull not to buy a gigabeat S series, they are not supported |
| 00:33:02 | markun | only F and X |
| 00:33:28 | Juice^ | ok |
| 00:34:00 | Juice^ | thanks |
| 00:34:33 | * | scorche wonders if markun has set up his client to ping him on the word "gigabeat" |
| 00:34:47 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 00:35:07 | Juice^ | hehe |
| 00:35:08 | Juice^ | :) |
| 00:37:44 | markun | scorche: of course :) |
| 00:37:48 | Juice^ | but the gigabeat S series will probably be supported one day i guess... depends on how long i can wait i guess |
| 00:38:05 | Soap | Gigabeat, the Hemi of Rockbox players. |
| 00:38:12 | markun | Juice^: maybe, maybe not |
| 00:38:34 | Juice^ | well im off to sleep. laters |
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| 00:45:54 | mdke_ | hi all, I recently updated my database and it now contains duplicate entries for everything. Is there an easy fix? Why did this happen? |
| 00:47:06 | midkay | i won't speculate about how it happened but running "initialize now" would probably fix it. |
| 00:48:19 | mdke_ | midkay: will try that |
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| 00:49:09 | mdke_ | can I run rockbox while the ipod is plugged into the computer? |
| 00:50:03 | midkay | yeah, hold MENU while you insert the USB cable and it'll run/charge at the same time (but don't expect it to fully charge nearly as fast as it otherwise would). |
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| 00:52:57 | mdke_ | midkay: thanks |
| 00:53:06 | midkay | no prob. |
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| 00:57:13 | khalsa | hi, trying to help a friend install RB on ipod 4g. Following the "beta" instructions on the wiki, get to the last step (./ipodpatcher [device] -a bootloader-ipodXXXXX.ipod) and get the following error: |
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| 00:57:52 | khalsa | [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sda2 |
| 00:57:52 | khalsa | [INFO] Sector size is 512 bytes |
| 00:57:52 | khalsa | [ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting |
| 00:58:09 | khalsa | any advice? |
| 00:58:48 | midkay | [device] should be the number you got from the scanning step.. i.e. 2 or 3... what's the actual command you're using? |
| 00:59:19 | bagawk | khalsa: usually if something is wanting the partition lable, you want /dev/sda |
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| 00:59:26 | ctaylorr | khalsa: see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7918.msg61840 |
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| 01:00:08 | khalsa | I saw that thread, [device] we've been usuing is sda2 (ubuntu linux) |
| 01:00:37 | khalsa | ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda2 -a bootloader-ipod4g.ipod |
| 01:00:47 | midkay | did you do the −−scan step? it should give you a single number, that's what you need to use. |
| 01:01:52 | khalsa | no, did not do the −−scan step, the wiki page is a bit unclear if that's what he needs to do, since it specifies (windows users) and the next step is for OSX and unix users |
| 01:02:01 | DerPapst_ | midkay: it doesn't give you a single number in linux. it gives you something like /dev/sdX |
| 01:02:06 | midkay | oh, really.. i haven't used it under linux.. |
| 01:02:13 | * | midkay steps back :) |
| 01:02:17 | DerPapst_ | ;) |
| 01:02:21 | bagawk | ... As i said a long time ago |
| 01:02:27 | bagawk | :) |
| 01:02:38 | DerPapst_ | khalsa: do the −−scan option |
| 01:03:36 | DerPapst_ | and then use the output as [device] like bagawk said. |
| 01:04:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:04:49 | DerPapst_ | so if your output is [INFO] Ipod found - Video (aka 5th Generation) - /dev/sda use |
| 01:04:49 | DerPapst_ | ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda -a bootloader-ipod4g.ipod to apply the loader |
| 01:05:02 | khalsa | ah yeah |
| 01:05:10 | khalsa | that's exactly the issue |
| 01:05:22 | khalsa | [INFO] Ipod found - Photo/Color - /dev/sda |
| 01:05:31 | khalsa | wierd, I could've sworn it was sda2 |
| 01:05:34 | DerPapst_ | no you had a 2 at /dev/sda in your command |
| 01:05:58 | khalsa | ah |
| 01:05:59 | khalsa | but now |
| 01:06:00 | khalsa | [ERR] Model name in input file (ip4g) doesn't match ipod model (ipco) |
| 01:06:08 | khalsa | doh! |
| 01:06:19 | DerPapst_ | wrong bootloader downloaded |
| 01:06:42 | DerPapst_ | you've downloaded the loader for b&w ipods but you have a color ipod |
| 01:07:15 | DerPapst_ | you have to get this one: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodcolor.ipod |
| 01:07:37 | khalsa | yes, thanks |
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| 01:07:51 | khalsa | He told be ipod 4g so I assumed it was the non-color one :-P |
| 01:07:54 | khalsa | me* |
| 01:08:09 | DerPapst_ | heh ;) |
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| 01:09:25 | DerPapst_ | rockbox is fun on the 5.5G 80Gb iPod ;) i know that it isn't working yet... |
| 01:09:55 | linuxstb | Bagder: Still awake? |
| 01:10:49 | DerPapst_ | ah linuxstb. have you looked on the −−write-firmware-bin patch i made for ipodpatcher (i don't care if it will be added to cvs or not. just want to know i i made it correctly ;) ) |
| 01:11:21 | DerPapst_ | one of the i's is a if ^^ |
| 01:11:56 | linuxstb | DerPapst_: I had a quick look, but haven't tried it. What do you use it for? |
| 01:12:13 | DerPapst_ | installing just the kernel |
| 01:12:34 | DerPapst_ | i don't want to use scramble |
| 01:14:14 | DerPapst_ | i've installed the kernel and it seemed to work "normal" |
| 01:15:05 | linuxstb | I probably will commit it. I'll review it (and fix if I spot anything wrong) then. |
| 01:15:33 | DerPapst_ | heh.. cool! thanks! |
| 01:15:44 | khalsa | thanks for your helps guys! |
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| 01:15:52 | khalsa | I love rockbox! |
| 01:16:01 | DerPapst_ | :) |
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| 01:16:18 | khalsa | i've had it on my h120 for the longest time. I can' image it without it |
| 01:17:17 | * | DerPapst_ will use rockbox one day too ;) |
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| 01:23:07 | markun | DerPapst_: you don't use it?? |
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| 01:23:28 | DerPapst_ | can't use it... i've a 5.5G 80GB iPod |
| 01:23:51 | Ajaxinc | i love rockbox on my f10 |
| 01:23:52 | Ajaxinc | :] |
| 01:24:13 | DerPapst_ | and the buttonmapping is kind of confusing on 3G iPods. and audio don't work very well on them too ;) |
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| 01:24:32 | linuxstb | buttonmapping can be changed... |
| 01:25:01 | DerPapst_ | but only in source i guess. |
| 01:25:02 | muesli__ | linuxstb just ur guess...how much optimized is rockbox so far? |
| 01:25:07 | Llorean | Isn't the 3G Buttonmapping essentially the same as the other iPods? |
| 01:25:24 | linuxstb | Llorean: It is currently, but the option is there to change it. |
| 01:25:35 | DerPapst_ | Llorean yes. thats the probelm |
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| 01:25:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: I was going to ask, what about it is confusing. I know the layout is different, but the button labels are the same. |
| 01:26:07 | linuxstb | muesli__: What do you mean? That's a very broad question. |
| 01:26:36 | muesli__ | i mean are there many milestones left? |
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| 01:26:51 | muesli__ | for my point is nearly perfect |
| 01:26:53 | linuxstb | Llorean: Shouldn't you ask DerPapst_? |
| 01:26:55 | muesli__ | from |
| 01:27:08 | linuxstb | muesli__: On which target? All targets have different issues. |
| 01:27:14 | muesli__ | h3xx |
| 01:27:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, I was going to, but forgot to include two names. |
| 01:27:36 | Llorean | DerPapst_: What about it specificallly is confusing. I know the layout is different, but the button labels are the same. |
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| 01:27:57 | DerPapst_ | Llorean: the thing is the buttonmapping on a clickwheel is more intuitive (e.g up and down movement) |
| 01:28:04 | Llorean | muesli__: That's not really an optimization question though. For H300 the incompletes are the charging features, USB Host, and WMA. |
| 01:28:08 | linuxstb | muesli__: I don't own a h3xx, so don't really know. Two obvious things are a new bootloader and USBOTG support. |
| 01:28:19 | DerPapst_ | i always hit the wrong button ;) |
| 01:28:36 | muesli__ | why a new bootloader`? |
| 01:28:37 | linuxstb | Plus general Rockbox things like getting the playback code to a rock-solid state (including voice). |
| 01:28:41 | Llorean | DerPapst_: That was an incredibly vague statement. You still have a wheel, and I assume it moves the cursor up and down when you scroll with it. What are you saying? |
| 01:28:56 | Llorean | muesli__: Proper charging in the bootloader. |
| 01:28:58 | Llorean | And USB |
| 01:29:16 | muesli__ | theres alrady a patch. why dont u use it? |
| 01:29:44 | linuxstb | Do you use it? |
| 01:29:46 | dantheman | hi |
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| 01:30:23 | muesli__ | no. cos i never charge via usb. but i know its possible using the experimental build |
| 01:30:26 | DerPapst_ | Llorean: i haven't played around with rockbox that much on my 3G. i bet if i use it more often i'll make more sense to me. but atm there is no motivation for me to use it. |
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| 01:30:47 | DerPapst_ | i'll = it'll |
| 01:31:20 | linuxstb | Out of curiosity, why do you want it on your 5.5g? |
| 01:31:23 | Llorean | DerPapst_: Are you intentionally avoiding answering my question, or are you just being vague? |
| 01:31:30 | DerPapst_ | linuxstb: you mean me? |
| 01:31:33 | Llorean | All you've said is that scrolling somehow doesn't make sense. |
| 01:31:38 | linuxstb | DerPapst_: Yes. |
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| 01:32:02 | muesli__ | scrollwheel is exactly why i NEVER would buy an ipod |
| 01:32:09 | muesli__ | sux a lot |
| 01:32:09 | linuxstb | muesli__: The experimental build includes an experimental bootloader? |
| 01:32:13 | muesli__ | no |
| 01:32:18 | muesli__ | but u can charge via usb |
| 01:32:34 | linuxstb | And you can't in the official Rockbox? |
| 01:33:08 | DerPapst_ | Llorean: i mean not srcolling... i can't explain it very good (lack of engllish skills) |
| 01:33:08 | DerPapst_ | linuxstb: i've a 80GB iPod so i can't use rockbox on it at all. i would love to use it :) |
| 01:33:33 | muesli__ | <Llorean> muesli__: Proper charging in the bootloader. i concluded on that its not possible atm |
| 01:33:48 | * | DerPapst_ searches his 3G ipod... |
| 01:34:05 | linuxstb | muesli__: Llorean said "in the bootloader". |
| 01:34:46 | muesli__ | i guess u guys dont want to start irivers os while charging (what it does actually) |
| 01:35:02 | linuxstb | Yes, that's one of the reasons for a new bootloader. |
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| 01:36:03 | muesli__ | another reason is? |
| 01:36:31 | DerPapst_ | "No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it." The reason why i don't have rockbox on my 5.5G ;) (right now i have it on) |
| 01:36:46 | linuxstb | Llorean mentioned something about USB... I don't know the reasons, I just know people have been waiting for a new bootloader. |
| 01:37:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: It's that the updates to the USB controller stuff so that it works better in Rockbox haven't been rolled up into a new bootloader version. Primarily it's for USB charging, I believe. |
| 01:37:29 | muesli__ | im fine with the current. im rather keen on audible seeking ;) |
| 01:38:03 | linuxstb | muesli__: But no-one seems keen to implement it... |
| 01:38:16 | muesli__ | yeah..i know :( |
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| 01:41:20 | muesli__ | im also dreaming of an api for basic audio controls while executing .rocks |
| 01:41:42 | muesli__ | just to change a track/volume etc while ie playing |
| 01:42:18 | Ajaxinc | iv seen a few plugins with audio controls in them |
| 01:42:24 | Ajaxinc | i forget what plugins though |
| 01:42:26 | Ajaxinc | they where games |
| 01:42:26 | Llorean | muesli__: There's a playback menu in many plugins |
| 01:43:01 | muesli__ | not in solitaire which is nice for getting tired |
| 01:43:15 | muesli__ | brickmania |
| 01:43:22 | muesli__ | dunno about the others |
| 01:43:53 | muesli__ | but wouldnt it be easier to build a common api on which all apps could access? |
| 01:44:26 | linuxstb | Yes, there is - the playback menu... |
| 01:44:48 | Llorean | muesli__: As linuxstb said, the playback menu is part of a common API that all plugins can access. |
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| 01:44:59 | Llorean | It's just an issue of the people writing them choosing to do so. |
| 01:45:02 | muesli__ | ah ok... |
| 01:45:09 | muesli__ | didnt know that |
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| 01:46:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: You don't by chance know what aspects of kernel_cop is keeping it from CVS, do you? |
| 01:46:53 | linuxstb | I think it's mainly that dan_a is away from home (afaik). |
| 01:47:06 | DerPapst_ | ACTION figures out the button mapping on 3Gs... |
| 01:47:13 | linuxstb | But there seem to be a few instabilities, at least on the PP5020s. |
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| 01:48:47 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, right, you said your 4G didn't boot at all with scaling enabled? |
| 01:49:14 | linuxstb | Any Coldfire users (H300 or X5) tried mpegplayer? Can you confirm Genre9mp3's audio-is-whitenoise problem? |
| 01:49:28 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes. |
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| 01:55:29 | DerPapst_ | something seemst to be wrong with the most up to date cvs build for 3G iPods... it crashes at loading a 45KB image and it crashes at loading a mp3 file that the previous version of rockbox has played (i thing this build was 3 month old) |
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| 01:57:43 | linuxstb | DerPapst_: You should speak to dan_a when he's around. He's our "3G development team"... |
| 01:58:17 | DerPapst_ | thanks. i'll do so :) |
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| 02:00:43 | DerPapst_ | is there any way to get older builds for 3G iPods? the Daily Builds page only has two different builds. |
| 02:01:10 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: you could perform the build yourself. |
| 02:01:38 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: (no offense...just stating that it's possible) |
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| 02:02:20 | DerPapst_ | so can i make a cvs checkout that gives me the source e.g. 2 month ago? |
| 02:02:56 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: Yes. |
| 02:02:58 | linuxstb | Yes, something like "cvs -z3 -d..... co -D 2006-11-01 rockbox-devel" |
| 02:03:12 | linuxstb | (I'm not 100% sure where the -D goes...) |
| 02:03:19 | ctaylorr | linuxstb: looks right. |
| 02:03:24 | DerPapst_ | heh cool. |
| 02:04:02 | DerPapst_ | is the 3.4.3 toolchain ok? or should i better use the 4.0.1? |
| 02:04:25 | linuxstb | 4.0.3 is recommended. (4.0.1 should be fine). |
| 02:04:54 | linuxstb | The uclinux toolchain won't work either. |
| 02:04:56 | DerPapst_ | then i'll have to set up a new toolchain... |
| 02:06:55 | linuxstb | DerPapst_: The older 3G builds are here: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipod3g/ |
| 02:07:11 | DerPapst_ | thank you |
| 02:10:56 | Kingsqueak | I've got a pre-Christmas daily for the 5G, any gotchas with the latest dailies? |
| 02:11:52 | ctaylorr | Kingsqueak: you'll probably have to save your settings. |
| 02:12:09 | Kingsqueak | I don't care about that much, I'll just poke around again |
| 02:12:31 | ctaylorr | Kingsqueak: not sure about anything ipod specific. |
| 02:12:49 | ctaylorr | Kingsqueak: (in that I don't own an ipod...) |
| 02:12:52 | Kingsqueak | k, cool, just curious if anything was glaringly broken |
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| 02:15:19 | Kingsqueak | anyone own both an X5 and a video iPod? Just curious how they compare sound quality wise |
| 02:15:20 | DerPapst_ | -+ |
| 02:15:47 | DerPapst_ | ^ignore |
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| 02:23:23 | DerPapst_ | can the 4.0.3 toolchain coexist with the 3.4.3 one? i want to use the 3.4.3 one as the "main" arm-elf-gcc. |
| 02:24:21 | linuxstb | Yes, just compile them with different −−prefix options to the configure, and put the appropriate one in your PATH. |
| 02:24:56 | linuxstb | Does loader2 not work with 4.0.x? |
| 02:25:54 | DerPapst_ | never tried compiling loader 2 with 4.0.x but it works with 3.4.3 too. i'm not shure about compiling podzilla 2 and the 2.4.32 kernel |
| 02:26:43 | linuxstb | I thought the kernel needed 2.95 |
| 02:27:06 | linuxstb | And podzilla an arm-uclinux-elf toolchain... |
| 02:27:19 | DerPapst_ | the official one (2.4.24) but there is an experimental version. |
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| 02:28:31 | DerPapst_ | yes. podzilla uses an arm-uclinux-elf toolchain. |
| 02:30:48 | DerPapst_ | so ./configure −−target=arm-elf −−prefix=/home/name/arm would do the trick? |
| 02:31:16 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 02:31:28 | Febs_ | I'm really tempted to lock this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7954.0 |
| 02:32:58 | ctaylorr | wow...I'm not the best typist, but making a video instead of just typing it out? |
| 02:33:13 | DerPapst_ | ^^ thats funny |
| 02:33:29 | * | DerPapst_ downloads the vid right now. |
| 02:35:00 | Febs_ | I can't even download the video. |
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| 02:35:39 | linuxstb | Ooh, a .mpg.... |
| 02:35:47 | DerPapst_ | blurry... |
| 02:36:31 | DerPapst_ | heh.. error -1 ^^ |
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| 02:37:07 | webguest95 | hello? |
| 02:37:26 | DerPapst_ | and he can't load appleos and i bet he don't know the disk mode keycombo ;) |
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| 02:38:16 | Febs | I gave him the section of the manual that explains disk mode. |
| 02:38:34 | linuxstb | And he used the old bootloader, so not the official instructions... |
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| 02:39:10 | DerPapst_ | linuxstb: but then the toolchain isn't in my PATH. If i do export PATH=/home/name/arm/bin:$PATH will it conflict with the 3.4.3 one? sorry for asking a lot questions... |
| 02:39:42 | linuxstb | DerPapst_: You should only have one in your path at a time. |
| 02:39:57 | DerPapst_ | Febs: i'm sure he hasn't read them. |
| 02:40:05 | DerPapst_ | linuxstb: ok |
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| 02:40:48 | Febs | Hehe. I think that half of the IRC channel is now viewing that thread. |
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| 02:41:15 | Hsystem | . |
| 02:41:16 | DerPapst_ | hehe |
| 02:41:51 | linuxstb | We're all bored... Time for bed for me. |
| 02:42:24 | webguest99 | hey can somebody tell me how to put rockbox onto my ipod video please? |
| 02:42:37 | webguest99 | ivr tryed but just cant seem to get it to work |
| 02:42:40 | DerPapst_ | linuxstb: good night and thanks for helping me that often :) |
| 02:42:57 | Febs | Did you follow the instructions that linuxstb took the time to write and I took the time to put into the manual? |
| 02:43:11 | DerPapst_ | webguest99: 5G or 5.5G 80GB? |
| 02:43:34 | Hsystem | there is also a 5.5 30gb ... |
| 02:43:47 | DerPapst_ | i know but rb works on it |
| 02:43:56 | midkay | but you didn't leave it as an option. :) |
| 02:44:03 | DerPapst_ | meh... |
| 02:44:15 | Soap | yea, so 5.5 vs 5 is really not the question any more. The question of the day is 30/60/80 GB. |
| 02:44:27 | DerPapst_ | jepp |
| 02:44:38 | Febs | webguest99: explain what you've done so far. |
| 02:46:39 | Hsystem | Hey guys, what about the mAh of the ipod 5.5g 30gb which is 400 mAh, im trying to get the correct battery capacity on rockbox for my battery. Should i leave it with the default 1300 mAh? |
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| 02:48:00 | Hsystem | ? |
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| 02:48:23 | DerPapst_ | if the 4.0.3 toolchain isn't in my path can i use something like "make CC=/path/to/4.0.3_toolchain ? |
| 02:49:16 | tsuyoshi | you need more than just CC |
| 02:49:58 | DerPapst_ | ah... what elso do i have to use? |
| 02:49:58 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: Can't you just alter the Makefile. It's generated anyway. |
| 02:51:35 | DerPapst_ | yeah. i can do that to. so i have to use LD = /path/to/ld too i guess (either in the makefile or in the make command) |
| 02:53:46 | Hsystem | Hey guys, what about the mAh of the ipod 5.5g 30gb which is 400 mAh, im trying to get the correct battery capacity on rockbox for my battery., but all the mAh on rockbox are higher than 1000. Should i leave the default 1300 mAh? |
| 02:54:07 | DerPapst_ | i would say yes. i have no idea about it. |
| 02:54:20 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: hmm...actually looking at a generated Makefile, it looks like tools are grabbed from the PATH. Consider just putting the toolchain you want to use early on in the PATH. |
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| 02:55:00 | ctaylorr | Hsystem: you should leave it where it is, unless you know that your using a non-standard battery. |
| 02:55:17 | Llorean | Hsystem: It doesn't really matter, as right now Rockbox can't estimate remaining playback time for iPods yet anyway |
| 02:55:25 | Llorean | ctaylorr: It's only used to estimate "time remaining" |
| 02:55:31 | ctaylorr | Llorean: ah |
| 02:56:07 | DerPapst_ | ctaylorr: i want to use two different ones. an arm-uclinux-elf toolchain (3.4.3) as the "main" one (which is in PATH currently) and the rockbox 4.0.3 one (which isn't in PATH). |
| 02:56:43 | Hsystem | ok, thanks a lot for yoru answer. |
| 02:56:47 | Nimdae | Llorean: i did a full burn on boost and noboost using fire plugin |
| 02:57:07 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: so you want to use two instances of, say, a cross-compiler? Sounds strange. Do you know which tools from which you want to pick up? |
| 02:57:21 | Nimdae | noboost only lasted 30 minutes longer, but that's in a scale of 2 hours and 45 minutes to 2 hours and 15 minutes |
| 02:57:48 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: If you do, you could put both into the PATH, and prune the first of what you want to pick up from the second. Not sure what you're trying to do though. |
| 02:57:52 | Nimdae | that's a burn from 90% to 10% |
| 02:58:38 | Nimdae | i want to do an idle cpu test next |
| 02:59:11 | DerPapst_ | ctaylorr: i use the 3.4.3 one for compiling parts of the iPodLinux project. and i need it more often than the 4.0.3 one |
| 02:59:40 | Hsystem | Llorean, this morning i opened a new post in the forum (section: iPOD installation/uninstallation), about the same issue, can you close it? I tried to remove it, but i don't have the sufficient privileges. |
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| 02:59:45 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: you *could* just add 4.0.3 to the path when you do rockbox builds. |
| 02:59:57 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: PATH=...:$PATH make |
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| 03:00:06 | Nimdae | then i want to do a hack on the codec thread to not unboost and see if there really is a battery savings to constantly change the cpu speed |
| 03:00:14 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: (just don't forget one time) |
| 03:00:36 | DerPapst_ | but i think that both toolchains will conflict. |
| 03:01:40 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: well, the build will only use the first of each tool it finds. If it were to slip through and use the second toolchain in the path, then it wouldn't have worked anyway, if you follow. |
| 03:01:45 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: It's at least worth a try. |
| 03:02:24 | DerPapst_ | so you think that "PATH=/home/name/arm/bin:$PATH make" will do the trick? |
| 03:02:40 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: Yep. |
| 03:02:57 | DerPapst_ | no && in the command? |
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| 03:03:21 | ctaylorr | DerPapst_: nope. the way you've typed it, it will only modify the environment for `make' <−− this is what you want. |
| 03:03:39 | DerPapst_ | ok :) thanks. i'll try it. |
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| 03:04:49 | ctaylorr | Llorean: you still around? |
| 03:05:19 | Llorean | ctaylorr: Only vaguely |
| 03:06:06 | Llorean | Nimdae: That's about a 20% difference, so there will be a saving boosted vs unboosted, but not very much. |
| 03:06:19 | Llorean | Hsystem: Can you link me to the thread? |
| 03:06:25 | Hsystem | sure |
| 03:06:35 | Nimdae | well, that's also a synthetic benchmark |
| 03:06:39 | Nimdae | i mean |
| 03:06:47 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 03:07:09 | Hsystem | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7952.0 |
| 03:07:28 | Nimdae | that's why i want to test the differences while idle, and also real performance |
| 03:07:39 | ctaylorr | Llorean: good enough. regarding Play Next. In the forums you also suggested ``Play Last''. I'm wondering if Play Next took the right approach. From a ui standpoint, there is only a single menu change, but behind the scenes, Play Next required similar changes in various places. I'm wondering if allowing a user to Clear + Queue Current, or Queue All would be a better approach. |
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| 03:08:22 | ctaylorr | Llorean: I noticed mention of code size in various discussions, and would rather not add more to the codebase than is necessary. |
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| 03:08:51 | Llorean | Nimdae: Yeah, but that synthetic test is basically a "best case scenario" isn't it? Suggesting that's about the most we can hope to gain in real-world from that. |
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| 03:09:40 | Nimdae | well, it's just not real world...real world results could show a smaller gap, or possibly a much larger one |
| 03:09:47 | Llorean | ctaylorr: What do you mean by "clear + queue current" and "queue all"? I'm not sure what you expect to happen in regard to those |
| 03:10:37 | Llorean | Nimdae: I expect the gap to be smaller, all things considered, but that's just my guess. |
| 03:10:43 | Hsystem | What programming languages do you guys use for Rockbox? |
| 03:10:48 | Nimdae | C |
| 03:10:58 | * | DerPapst_ was to slow |
| 03:10:59 | Llorean | Hsystem: Thread removed. |
| 03:11:06 | Hsystem | thanks. |
| 03:11:24 | Nimdae | i'm just curious if there is a real benefit to unboosting during playback, particularly when we start getting the coprocessor working on the ipod |
| 03:11:39 | Nimdae | also, my results are based on the ipod, it could be widely different on another device |
| 03:11:58 | ctaylorr | Llorean: Play Next currently clears the playlist, sets the current song to ``queued'', and inserts whatever was selected in the file browser (or database). I'm pretty sure it would require less code to, instead just have an option to clear the playlist and set the current song to queued. |
| 03:12:26 | ctaylorr | Llorean: The user could then turn around and insert something after the current song. |
| 03:13:07 | Llorean | ctaylorr: The only additional function that allows though, is "Stop after current song." |
| 03:13:47 | Llorean | Are you concerned about the code complexity, or the functionality? |
| 03:14:40 | ctaylorr | Llorean: I'm more concerned (not sure if it's justified) about code size. Doing both steps in one operation requires changes to the menu handler for (1) file browner (2) tagcache `trees' (3) playlists. |
| 03:15:18 | Llorean | Febs: I just deleted a post on that thread you were considering locking that contained a good deal of profanity. If he acts up at all, you have my express permission to ban him for any period you feel like. |
| 03:15:42 | Llorean | ctaylorr: In that case, you should probably be contacting the person who implemented the changes. |
| 03:16:36 | ctaylorr | Llorean: I submitted the patch. Wondering if doing `Play Last' in a way similar to `Play Next' would be acceptable. |
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| 03:18:59 | Hsystem | Guys this morning i found an error in the ipod video uninstallation section that could be very confusing for some people. ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin, should be ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin |
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| 03:21:37 | Llorean | ctaylorr: I think you may have the right idea, dropping "Play Next" for a "Clear Playlist" which empties everything but the current song, and sets if for queued |
| 03:21:54 | Llorean | It's a much more logical way of doing it, from a user perspective too, because "Play Next" is still a confusing term |
| 03:22:40 | ctaylorr | Llorean: agreed. Neither `Replace' nor `Play Next' really describe what is happening. It would take more than one line on the screen to properly explain. |
| 03:23:43 | ctaylorr | Llorean: It is, nontheless, convenient, though (deciding that ``I want to replace everything in the playlist'' in the file browser). |
| 03:25:17 | Llorean | ctaylorr: I think "Clear playlist" works best, since people always ask "How do I clear the playlist?" anyway, not knowing that it's empty while playback is stopped. |
| 03:25:50 | Llorean | It allows both "Stop after current song ends" style functionality and "Play next" functionality relatively easily. |
| 03:26:43 | ctaylorr | Llorean: point. I'll work on this. |
| 03:27:02 | Llorean | :) |
| 03:27:58 | DerPapst_ | Febs: just lock this topic... |
| 03:27:59 | ctaylorr | Llorean: Also, how is documentation updated. I asked a while ago, but is it up to whoever adds a menu item to update the manual, or is this done by one person (or a team) to ensure consistency? |
| 03:29:17 | Llorean | ctaylorr: A little of each. We *really* like it when someone submitting a new feature also includes a patch for the manual as well, but if not there are a few key people who handle a lot of the manual work and there's decent odds they'll get around to documenting it. |
| 03:29:38 | Hsystem | What about the mpg player ? I read this morning a post that says that it will include audio in the next daily build ?? or something like that? is that true? |
| 03:29:38 | Llorean | Ideally the author of the feature offers what they think is appropriate and one of our manual guys will tweak it if they feel it needs to be changed. |
| 03:29:45 | Febs | DerPapst_: Locked. |
| 03:29:59 | Llorean | Hsystem: Yes, but it's still not fully functional. Audio works, but it's very limited still |
| 03:30:06 | ctaylorr | Llorean: makes sense. Thanks for the info. |
| 03:30:26 | DerPapst_ | Hsystem: it's in cvs already. Febs: :) |
| 03:31:09 | Hsystem | cvs? |
| 03:31:15 | Hsystem | ah ok sorry. |
| 03:31:23 | DerPapst_ | hehe |
| 03:31:29 | Febs | ctaylorr: With respect to the manual, it's useful if you could put a description of the new feature/function somewhere (wiki, forums, patch tracker). I personally prefer if people open a tracker item for manual updates under the category "manual." |
| 03:31:30 | ctaylorr | Febs: But.... it was a huge problem. :) |
| 03:31:38 | Febs | Hehe. |
| 03:31:51 | DerPapst_ | if he isn't able to read.... |
| 03:32:38 | ctaylorr | Febs: Agreed. I opened an earlier patch as a bug accidentally. I'm getting there. |
| 03:32:50 | Soap | Llorean: you read full IRC logs? |
| 03:33:10 | puetzk | Soap, well, it's mentioned on the frontpage now |
| 03:33:12 | Llorean | Soap: Sometimes, but usually only when someone points me at them or I'm waiting to hear about something. |
| 03:33:12 | Hsystem | daily build have more new features thant cvs builds? right ? or im wrong? |
| 03:33:49 | Llorean | Hsystem: CVS builds are newers. |
| 03:34:01 | ctaylorr | Hsystem: per build : probably. CVS builds are built after each change is committed. |
| 03:34:06 | Llorean | Hsystem: Daily Builds are just archived CVS builds. They're always equal or older. |
| 03:35:00 | Soap | Llorean: I was just going to mention, as I think you were out of the room, that I believe that the reason the "wiki" encodes of ED were performing 10% better than anything else I could create with reasonable settings is because they were all VBR, and I was only comparing bitrates over a limited period of time. (My encodes all being CBR) |
| 03:35:26 | Hsystem | so, then Daily builds are more stable? |
| 03:35:32 | ctaylorr | Hsystem: no |
| 03:36:00 | ctaylorr | Hsystem: They're just one of the day's cvs builds. |
| 03:36:03 | Llorean | Soap: Ah, makes sense. |
| 03:36:10 | Llorean | Hsystem: They're just an archive, really |
| 03:36:13 | Soap | (I'll have final proof of that theory here in about 30 mins) −−Sad news is I have been unable to find any encoding options to gain (or lose) more than 4%, |
| 03:36:17 | puetzk | Hsystem, maybe a little. Mostly it's just a matter of pruning down the number of builds that get archived |
| 03:36:27 | puetzk | Or so I would assume |
| 03:36:59 | DerPapst_ | Hsystem if someone submits somthing buggy e.g 11:59pm and fixes it 0:01 am the daily build is buggy and the cvs build is not. |
| 03:37:11 | Llorean | puetzk: There's actually a decent chance of them being less stable, just because if a major bug hits before a daily build you're stuck with it for 24 hours. If a major bug hits CVS builds, it's usually fixed or reverted fairly quickly, so odds are low you'll get a CVS build with a big bug |
| 03:38:15 | Hsystem | ahh damn... then i will install again a new cvs build lol |
| 03:38:49 | puetzk | good point |
| 03:39:22 | DerPapst_ | time to sleep. good night @ all :) |
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| 03:39:46 | Hsystem | the last cvs i installed, seems to freeze sometimes, so that's why i change. |
| 03:40:19 | ctaylorr | Hsystem: if it ain't broke, then you may not want to fix it, unless there's a feature/fix you're looking for. |
| 03:40:34 | ctaylorr | Hsystem: <pretty horrible summary> |
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| 03:43:40 | aarond | woohooo |
| 03:43:44 | aarond | how goes it peoples? |
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| 03:46:26 | Mouser_X | Hwody HCS. |
| 03:46:34 | hcs | hwody youself |
| 03:46:44 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 03:46:59 | aarond | anyone using rockbox on a Nano? |
| 03:47:12 | aarond | first Gen 2GB nano |
| 03:48:01 | aarond | I used it for a while but then I updated my ipod firmware |
| 03:48:05 | bagawk | aarond: if you have a question, just ask |
| 03:48:15 | aarond | thought I would give rockbox a break |
| 03:49:06 | Hsystem | . |
| 03:49:07 | aarond | I was going to give it longer but I was thinking of trying to install rockbox again but wanted to know if it would be worth it |
| 03:49:24 | aarond | Im not sure I'll be able to do it anyway :) |
| 03:49:26 | scorche | it is 2 commands... |
| 03:49:51 | aarond | I dont have access to a windows machine but I might be able to do it in VPC |
| 03:50:22 | Llorean | aarond: The installation isn't windows-only... |
| 03:50:34 | puetzk | and you can easily dual-boot it with the original firmware anyway |
| 03:50:46 | puetzk | yeah, just did an iPod video for my dad in linux a few nights back |
| 03:51:10 | Hsystem | aarond: There are installation instruction for Windows/Linux/Mac |
| 03:51:12 | puetzk | (FWIW, the killer feature that caused him to ask me to was frozen-bubble :-) |
| 03:51:52 | aarond | oh cool, when I was using it before it was windows only install for the nano but I could update it in os x |
| 03:52:10 | Soap | If only there were OS/2 instructions! |
| 03:52:14 | scorche | it never was windows only... |
| 03:52:36 | puetzk | this may or may not reflect rockbox's actual strengths :-) |
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| 03:55:08 | aarond | thats strange because I remember instructions saying it was |
| 03:55:12 | Llorean | aarond: There has never been a time that the official instructions were windows only. |
| 03:55:52 | Llorean | The instructions may have said something like "These instructions are only for installing from Windows" but they also went on to have links to the OSX and Linux install guides |
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| 03:58:18 | aarond | hmm |
| 03:59:38 | aarond | maybe I'll give it a try just for flac support again |
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| 04:01:54 | aarond | battery life seemed to suck despite what some thought |
| 04:04:04 | Llorean | Some who? |
| 04:04:18 | Llorean | We've pretty much never denied that Rockbox currently gets about half the battery life of the retail firmware |
| 04:05:58 | aarond | wow its that bad? |
| 04:06:17 | aarond | when I used to hang out here, no one said that :) |
| 04:06:35 | Llorean | Well, it's somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 |
| 04:07:06 | Mouser_X | Well, technically, if they never said anything one way or the other, it's not denying it. |
| 04:07:24 | Mouser_X | I mean, it's not like they lied about battery life. |
| 04:07:25 | Mouser_X | :P |
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| 04:07:57 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Well, if he had asked any developer, they'd have spoken the truth. |
| 04:08:14 | Hsystem | I read that rockbox took longer to charge thru USB than the original firmware, is that right or im wrong? |
| 04:08:19 | Llorean | Not to mention, we have the battery benchmark webpage rather publicly showing how battery life is in Rockbox. |
| 04:08:24 | aarond | I guess having it around just for Flac should be alright |
| 04:08:30 | Llorean | Hsystem: If you charge inside Rockbox, yes. |
| 04:08:36 | aarond | I never looked at that |
| 04:09:22 | Mouser_X | Llorean: I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I was just saying that silence is, to some extent, neutrality. Yes, I would hope that if asked, people would be upfront about it. |
| 04:09:26 | aarond | I kept charging under regular firmware even when charging worked under rockbox |
| 04:09:46 | Llorean | Mouser_X: We are, which is why the battery bench page is there. |
| 04:10:10 | Hsystem | that means that if i charge my ipod and disk mode is on, it will charge == like the original firmware. |
| 04:10:19 | Hsystem | ? |
| 04:10:22 | Mouser_X | Mind giving me a link? I found it once, but for the life of me, I can't seem to find it again... |
| 04:10:34 | Llorean | Mouser_X: The thing is, battery life in Rockbox on other players is in some cases a good deal better than the original firmware, so it's possible he was talking with someone who didn't know iPods were different, or didn't realize he was asking about iPods. |
| 04:10:38 | Llorean | Hsystem: Yes. |
| 04:10:48 | Hsystem | gud. |
| 04:10:52 | Llorean | Mouser_X: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 04:11:35 | Mouser_X | Thanks. And, good point. |
| 04:13:39 | Hsystem | I assume that, the more complicated theme you use on rockbox, the more battery it will consume ? right? |
| 04:15:24 | Hsystem | or is the same if you use a simple theme (let say, the default). ? |
| 04:20:34 | Hsystem | am ? |
| 04:20:34 | tehsmo | hmm, anyone know if there's still a way to sync convert from iTunes (or gnupod) DB to rockbox's DB? |
| 04:20:48 | hcs | yep, got linux? |
| 04:21:29 | tehsmo | yeah |
| 04:21:44 | tehsmo | I remember reading about a script for this, but couldn't find it on google |
| 04:22:42 | hcs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache |
| 04:22:56 | hcs | that's outdated, unfortunately, as it has been renamed Database |
| 04:23:14 | hcs | you just need to rename the files it produces, |
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| 04:23:49 | tehsmo | alright |
| 04:23:57 | tehsmo | or I might just edit the source, should be an easy fix then |
| 04:24:04 | hcs | yeah |
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| 04:29:32 | _0mk4r_ | hi can i use rockbox with my iAUDIO G3? |
| 04:31:11 | scorche | no |
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| 04:38:22 | aarond | do I need to format my nano though? |
| 04:38:36 | aarond | I thought I did |
| 04:38:41 | Hsystem | lol |
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| 04:39:12 | Hsystem | The ipod is fully charged with the rockbox when the battery symbol stop blinking? |
| 04:39:45 | Llorean | aarond: If it's a Mac iPod using HFS+ you need to format it to Fat32 as part of the install process. If it's already a Fat32 iPod, you've never had to format it as part of the install |
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| 04:45:17 | Hsystem | Icons meaning section in the rockbox ipod video manual ? There is a file format section ... |
| 04:46:10 | aarond | damn my formating options suck |
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| 04:50:04 | aarond | ms dos file system or unix file system |
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| 04:57:11 | PaulPosition | Anyone knows why the iRiver H10 could record all right (ie, not great because lack of settings), but scrollpad and battery-readings are jittery like hell.. Is it using two different ADCs? |
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| 05:02:46 | Hsystem | Ok, i got a question... how do i know when my ipod is fully charged, using rockbox firmware ... When it stop filling the bar? |
| 05:04:00 | Hsystem | right? |
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| 05:05:14 | puetzk | right. Or you can make it display 0-100 if you like numbers |
| 05:05:51 | Hsystem | ok, how? i preffered numbers ... |
| 05:06:18 | Hsystem | in display−−>status/scrolling ? |
| 05:06:19 | puetzk | General Settings > Display > Status-/Scrollbar |
| 05:06:33 | Hsystem | um ok, but that will also work when charging? |
| 05:07:05 | Hsystem | since it turn off, and boot again into the do not disconnet logo screen. |
| 05:07:07 | puetzk | does on my iaudio (if it's running while charging) |
| 05:07:23 | puetzk | iPod might do it differently |
| 05:07:26 | Llorean | Hsystem: That screen is not a Rockbox screen, and we have no control over it. |
| 05:08:00 | Hsystem | ok, thats the ipod firmware screen, it looks a little different, also the icons are different... |
| 05:08:17 | Hsystem | that's why im asking... |
| 05:08:32 | Llorean | What exactly are you asking? |
| 05:08:39 | Llorean | You seem to know it's an iPod firmware screen. |
| 05:08:57 | Hsystem | Ok, i got a question... how do i know when my ipod is fully charged, using rockbox firmware ... When it stop filling the bar? |
| 05:09:04 | Hsystem | that is what im asking. |
| 05:09:10 | Llorean | You aren't using the Rockbox firmware though |
| 05:09:18 | Llorean | You already said, you're in the iPod firmware's disk mode. |
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| 05:09:43 | Hsystem | ok i know, but when i connect |
| 05:10:08 | Llorean | That wasn't a complete sentence, so I have no idea what you're trying to say with it. |
| 05:10:10 | Hsystem | the usb cable for charging my ipod with the rockbox loaded |
| 05:10:28 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 05:10:37 | Llorean | When you're in Rockbox, and put in a USB cable, it goes to the apple disk mode. |
| 05:10:40 | Hsystem | the screen that it displays , that says : Do not disconnect is different... |
| 05:10:52 | tehsmo | yes, that's teh apple disk mode |
| 05:10:53 | Llorean | You already said "thats the ipod firmware screen" so you told me you noticed that it's the apple disk mode. |
| 05:11:02 | tehsmo | you can hold menu, if you want, to stay in the rockbox firmware |
| 05:11:10 | tehsmo | (while you cannot the usb cable) |
| 05:11:22 | tehsmo | but then you can't transfer over USB if you want to, you can just charge the battery |
| 05:11:51 | Hsystem | yeahh ok.... but you are not understanding. The icons that present both firmware are different when charging even if it change to the apple firmware when charging.... |
| 05:12:28 | Llorean | Yes, because it's the actual Disk Mode, and not just a connection screen. |
| 05:12:45 | Llorean | It's still an Apple screen, and not part of our software. |
| 05:13:10 | puetzk | but it's the same one you would have seen before if you plugged in your iPod when it was turned off |
| 05:14:59 | Hsystem | well , when i connect my ipod (when using it firmware), the screen that present when working on disk mode is colored. On the contrary, when im using rockbox firmware, when i connct it to charge, the screen appear black and white. And the icon that state the charging state is different... |
| 05:15:09 | Llorean | Yes |
| 05:15:15 | Llorean | \I already explained that to you |
| 05:15:25 | Llorean | The first one is the "connection screen in the iPod firmware" and the second one is "Disk Mode" |
| 05:15:43 | Llorean | Disk Mode is still part of the iPod firmware though, it is NOT a part of Rockbox. |
| 05:15:59 | Hsystem | ok... then my ipod is fully charged when that weird icon stop filling ... |
| 05:16:12 | Hsystem | that is what i want to know... |
| 05:16:25 | Llorean | Probably. That seems very logical |
| 05:17:12 | Hsystem | yeah but when using the ipod firmware connection screen ... the icon that means that my ipod is fully charged on disk mode, means on the ipod firmware connection screen that it still charging ... |
| 05:17:13 | Llorean | I know mine's always charged when it stops showing the charging animation. |
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| 05:17:43 | Llorean | Hsystem: If you are unhappy with the icons Apple chose to use, complaint TO APPLE. It is NOT OUR SCREEN. |
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| 05:17:52 | Hsystem | oh ok thanks . |
| 05:18:11 | Hsystem | jeje , im not unhappy ... |
| 05:19:37 | Hsystem | i was explaining the situation, not saying that im unhappy lol... if you notice my english is not that perfect ... |
| 05:20:45 | aarond | I formated as dos file system, hope it works |
| 05:21:32 | Llorean | Hsystem: Well, then why do you keep repeatedly telling us the same thing. Yes the icons are different. But why does it matter? It's not our screen. We cannot change it. It's their screen. If you don't understand what it's showing, ask them. This is #Rockbox and is not for help with non-Rockbox things. |
| 05:22:04 | Llorean | aarond: Do you even pay attention to what people say to you? I explained you only need to format if it's HFS+, in which case you need to convert it to Fat32. |
| 05:22:11 | Llorean | aarond: Which, actually, is not as simple as just formatting it. |
| 05:22:23 | aarond | it was in HFS+ |
| 05:22:41 | Llorean | I said it needed to be formatted specifically "as part of the install process" |
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| 05:22:50 | Llorean | Have you read the install process to see how to properly do the format? |
| 05:22:55 | aarond | I know but like I said earlier, my options were only DOS or Unix file system |
| 05:23:10 | Llorean | Have you read the install process to see how to properly do the format? |
| 05:23:32 | aarond | the one Im reading just starts with installing |
| 05:23:39 | Llorean | Which one are you reading? |
| 05:24:06 | bobby | how do i install ipod linux with rockbox on 5.5g??/ im confused please help |
| 05:24:12 | aarond | oh wait there it is :) |
| 05:24:24 | puetzk | bobby, ipodlinux is not the same as rockbox. Which are you trying to use? |
| 05:24:38 | Llorean | bobby: This is #Rockbox, and not the right place to ask for help with iPod Linux |
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| 05:27:13 | bobby | i know llorean but there no ther place to ask |
| 05:27:34 | bobby | puetzk, im trying to use ipod linux |
| 05:27:38 | Llorean | bobby: There are other places to ask. And even if there aren't other places to ask, that doesn't mean that you should ask here. |
| 05:27:55 | puetzk | bobby, there's a #ipodlinux on freenode too... |
| 05:28:06 | bobby | but people on here know how to do it |
| 05:28:12 | bobby | really |
| 05:28:26 | bobby | o you have the link to the ipod linux freenode? |
| 05:28:50 | Llorean | bobby: Whether people here know or don't know, it's #Rockbox, and it's for Rockbox discussion. |
| 05:29:02 | Llorean | People here also know how to fix automobiles, but users shouldn't come in asking about that either. |
| 05:29:08 | puetzk | it's the channel #ipodlinux, on the same server you're currently on |
| 05:29:20 | bobby | how do i change channels |
| 05:29:23 | Llorean | puetzk: He's using the webclient, he can't just get to other channels |
| 05:29:26 | puetzk | ah |
| 05:29:34 | Llorean | bobby: You have to use a real IRC client, not the one from our webpage. It's only for #Rockbox |
| 05:29:53 | Hsystem | Bobby take a look here: http://ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=3126&oldid=3125 |
| 05:29:53 | bobby | ohhk so how would i use the real IRC? |
| 05:30:31 | puetzk | Lots of client programs, I like xchat but pretty much any choice works |
| 05:30:39 | Hsystem | there you will found the irc address. |
| 05:30:45 | Hsystem | find* |
| 05:30:59 | bobby | ohk and how would i change the channel do i input an adress? |
| 05:31:25 | Llorean | bobby: Depends on which program you use. I suggest checking the documentation for whichever IRC client you choose to download. |
| 05:31:53 | bobby | im using xchat |
| 05:32:12 | Hsystem | it explain there how.bobby enter here ... http://www.ipodlinux.org/chat/irc.cgi |
| 05:32:29 | bobby | rong link |
| 05:32:42 | bobby | the webpage cannot be found |
| 05:33:18 | Llorean | bobby: Just google XChat. Again, this is for Rockbox problems, not teaching you how to use IRC. |
| 05:33:31 | bobby | have xchat |
| 05:33:53 | Llorean | And what? |
| 05:33:57 | Llorean | Then read XChat's help. |
| 05:34:03 | bobby | i have it already |
| 05:34:18 | bobby | but dont i need a link for ipls channel ? |
| 05:34:27 | Llorean | The channel is #ipodlinux |
| 05:34:31 | puetzk | bobby, pick freenode from the network list when it launches (and put in a nickname), then goto server:join channel and type #ipodlinux |
| 05:34:31 | Llorean | http://www.ipodlinux.org/Support |
| 05:34:53 | Llorean | bobby: ipodlinux.org tells you the proper locations to ask for support. You'll notice #Rockbox is NOT one of them. |
| 05:35:49 | bobby | i dont have freenode on my list |
| 05:36:17 | bobby | got it |
| 05:36:24 | THB | hey guys |
| 05:36:30 | Hsystem | Llorean: −−>There is no option to turn off database completely. If you do not want to use it just don’t do the initial build of the database and do not load it to RAM. ... And even if i reset all settings it will still running in the bacckground? |
| 05:36:42 | THB | anyway to have rockbox do the standard ipdo click wheel noise? |
| 05:37:21 | Llorean | Hsystem: If you delete the database files, and do not initialize it, it will not be running. |
| 05:37:25 | scorche | THB: there is a pezio patch on the tracker |
| 05:37:43 | Hsystem | ok gud. |
| 05:38:42 | bobby | hey llorean i have a prob with rockbox |
| 05:41:58 | bobby | hello???? somethings wrongwith my rockbox |
| 05:42:27 | Llorean | Ask the question, then. |
| 05:42:28 | Hsystem | what's wrong with your rockbox bobby...? |
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| 05:45:27 | Hsystem | Using heavy themes, cause rockbox to use more battery power ... ? |
| 05:45:48 | Hsystem | right? |
| 05:45:51 | Llorean | They can, yes. |
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| 05:48:59 | puetzk | is there a way to make the tag database refresh modified files without fully reinitializing it? |
| 05:49:10 | puetzk | update seems to only get new/deleted, not changed |
| 05:49:33 | puetzk | dircache is on, if that matters |
| 05:49:48 | Llorean | There's somewhat of an expectation that you won't really be editing music files. |
| 05:50:01 | puetzk | yeah, I'm fixing tags |
| 05:50:11 | Llorean | Just fix them all, then reinitialize once and be done with it. |
| 05:50:18 | puetzk | OK |
| 05:50:40 | Llorean | I mean, I suppose updating would be handy, but it's also extra code for a mostly unnecessary feature. |
| 05:51:53 | puetzk | it's not really harder than finding deleted ones; just has to see if the file still exists and compare mtime |
| 05:52:02 | puetzk | but I guess it would mean you'd have to store the mtime for the record |
| 05:52:07 | puetzk | in any case, pretty specialized |
| 05:52:25 | puetzk | this is just the 3rd time I've found a few more b0rked tracks, and initialzing takes long enough it's becoming annoying |
| 05:53:05 | Llorean | I didn't say it would be hard. I said it'd be extra code that's unnecessary. |
| 05:53:13 | puetzk | They all have the same problem too, an empty id3v2 tag and a valid id3v1 one. I must have used a buggy version of lame at some point |
| 05:53:16 | Llorean | Database is already too big for Rombox builds, it needs to shrink, not grow. |
| 05:53:37 | puetzk | c'est la vie |
| 05:56:15 | puetzk | everything new is ogg, which thankfully has less variation in tagging standards |
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| 06:15:33 | tehsmo | hcs: itdb2tc appears not to work; rockbox says "Database is not ready" when I try to browse |
| 06:17:42 | Overand | Hey- was there a recent change (past ~5 days) in i18n support? I was having trouble with 'foreign' named files not working (at least when they showed up in the playlist), but in a recent nightly it seems to be working. |
| 06:18:03 | Overand | (Not that I'm complaining about something being fixed, I'm just curious) |
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| 06:35:57 | aarond | ipodConversionToFAT32 manual instructions arent making much sense |
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| 06:47:50 | bagawk | aarond: do you not have a windows machine around, it would make that _much_ easier |
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| 07:20:28 | Ajaxinc | how long does video work for you guys |
| 07:20:37 | Ajaxinc | only works like 3 minutes for me out of a 12 minute video |
| 07:20:41 | puetzk | depends on how much ram you have. |
| 07:20:41 | Ajaxinc | first sound shuts off |
| 07:20:48 | puetzk | it doesn't do any buffer refilling yet |
| 07:20:50 | Ajaxinc | then a few seconds later it dies |
| 07:20:56 | Ajaxinc | gigabeat |
| 07:20:57 | Ajaxinc | f10 |
| 07:21:01 | puetzk | so when it runs out of data, it stops |
| 07:21:55 | Ajaxinc | isnt rebuffering things an esy script? |
| 07:23:19 | puetzk | it didn't play .mpg at all until today. I would assume it's just not finished. |
| 07:23:51 | Ajaxinc | my gigabeat is pkaying .mpg's |
| 07:23:57 | Ajaxinc | sorry for the spelling |
| 07:23:58 | puetzk | right. As of today |
| 07:24:02 | Ajaxinc | a littel drunk |
| 07:24:48 | aarond | yeah I think I might just try to do it on my friends computer bagawk |
| 07:26:40 | Terinjokes | glad to see that rockbox has video playback :D |
| 07:28:44 | aarond | on video models right? |
| 07:29:10 | * | puetzk is indefferent, but that's just because the x5 doesn't really have enough screen for it anyway |
| 07:29:32 | puetzk | or I'm too picky |
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| 07:33:36 | Terinjokes | I think the nano plays videos.... |
| 07:33:44 | puetzk | aarond, the previous video plugin (which could only do m2v, and no audio) worked on the iPod color/photo/nano |
| 07:33:58 | puetzk | not as much screen resolution as the video of course |
| 07:34:02 | aarond | wow |
| 07:34:15 | puetzk | and less CPU, so the framerate wasn't as good |
| 07:34:26 | puetzk | (I have neither, so this is not firsthand) |
| 07:34:51 | puetzk | but I think it was supposedly at least useable |
| 07:35:09 | puetzk | and the mpg one isn't likely to be drastically worse, audio isn't too huge an addition to the CPU load |
| 07:35:42 | Llorean | puetzk: I get 30fps playing MPEG-2 on my Nano. |
| 07:35:50 | Llorean | There's no much point in having video above that. |
| 07:35:53 | puetzk | Llorean, I defer to someone who has one then :-) |
| 07:36:16 | puetzk | I suppose the lower resolution probably helps at least as much as any other factor hurts |
| 07:36:21 | Llorean | puetzk: The iPods have two cores, so adding audio was actually NO additional load, because it's not being handled on the same core for iPods. :) |
| 07:37:48 | Terinjokes | Llorean, was that patch added to CVS? |
| 07:38:10 | Llorean | Terinjokes: No, the CVS version doesn't use both cores yet, because CVS rockbox doesn't have dual core support yet. |
| 07:38:14 | puetzk | Llorean, it's already doing that? I knew it was sort-of the plan but didn't think it was done that way in this first cut |
| 07:38:14 | * | preglow is back |
| 07:38:41 | Llorean | puetzk: The plugin actually is ready to support it, but the dual-core support in the main Rockbox isn't in yet, so the plugin can't do it, and runs on the same core instead. |
| 07:38:47 | Llorean | You get 9-14 fps on Nano the way it is now. |
| 07:38:53 | Llorean | Or I get that, at least |
| 07:39:07 | Terinjokes | Llorean... you know I've very mad at my computer.... |
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| 08:40:16 | hcs | tehsmo: still around? sure the files are named right? I suppose it is possible that the db format has changed... |
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| 08:52:21 | Ajaxinc | any hope for nes emulator for gigabeat |
| 08:52:40 | hcs | we've got an nsf player... |
| 08:52:44 | Ajaxinc | nsf? |
| 08:52:49 | hcs | nes music |
| 08:52:52 | Ajaxinc | lol |
| 08:52:59 | Ajaxinc | not quite the same thing |
| 08:53:10 | Ajaxinc | close |
| 08:53:12 | Ajaxinc | but not quite |
| 08:53:15 | hcs | as it is all I want from my video games, close enough |
| 08:53:15 | Llorean | Ajaxinc: There's hope if one of the people interested in it actually does it. |
| 08:53:27 | Ajaxinc | hmm |
| 08:53:29 | Ajaxinc | what would it take |
| 08:53:36 | Ajaxinc | some C doce |
| 08:53:37 | Ajaxinc | code |
| 08:53:53 | Ajaxinc | some porting of a nes emulator |
| 08:54:06 | Ajaxinc | is it possible for snes? |
| 08:54:29 | hcs | on the gigabeat I cannot imagine what is possible |
| 08:54:45 | decayedcell | its more advanced than the rest? |
| 08:54:56 | Llorean | It's got a faster core. |
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| 09:00:35 | decayedcell | hmm bugger |
| 09:00:48 | decayedcell | kernel_on_cop_6 patch |
| 09:00:59 | Llorean | What about it? |
| 09:01:02 | decayedcell | when i try to play an mpg it just freezes my ipod |
| 09:01:06 | decayedcell | starts buffering |
| 09:01:12 | decayedcell | screen then goes black |
| 09:02:46 | Llorean | And you're playing .mpg files that worked with an unpatched build? |
| 09:03:02 | decayedcell | yes |
| 09:03:09 | decayedcell | played the same mpg yesterday |
| 09:03:12 | decayedcell | on 20070101 source |
| 09:04:15 | Llorean | Is your bootloader the new or the old one? |
| 09:04:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:04:59 | decayedcell | hmm |
| 09:05:08 | decayedcell | i think its the old one |
| 09:05:17 | decayedcell | its from the 26th or so |
| 09:05:33 | Llorean | Black background and white text, or the other way around? |
| 09:05:46 | decayedcell | black background |
| 09:05:53 | decayedcell | i think |
| 09:05:54 | Llorean | New, then |
| 09:06:03 | decayedcell | hmm |
| 09:06:15 | Llorean | If it's definitely black |
| 09:06:32 | Llorean | If you play audio, does it show the threads being on core (1) in the debug menu? |
| 09:06:32 | decayedcell | yeah its black |
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| 09:06:57 | decayedcell | lemme see |
| 09:07:47 | decayedcell | its updating the ID3 database atm |
| 09:10:24 | decayedcell | brb |
| 09:13:22 | decayedcell | gah wheres the debug menu gone |
| 09:14:01 | decayedcell | view audio thread? |
| 09:14:49 | Llorean | OS Stacks if I recall |
| 09:14:53 | hcs | os stacks |
| 09:15:04 | decayedcell | yea |
| 09:15:11 | decayedcell | says (1) audio |
| 09:15:14 | decayedcell | bugger |
| 09:15:17 | decayedcell | now its turn off agn |
| 09:15:20 | decayedcell | black screen |
| 09:15:44 | Llorean | Wait, you mean, no backlight? |
| 09:15:53 | decayedcell | lemme just check agn |
| 09:15:58 | decayedcell | well in the debug menu |
| 09:16:02 | decayedcell | after i pressed os stack |
| 09:16:12 | decayedcell | it hard rebooted itself |
| 09:16:53 | decayedcell | audio is on 0 |
| 09:16:58 | decayedcell | main and codec are on 1 |
| 09:17:16 | decayedcell | well theres two main |
| 09:17:20 | Llorean | If it hard rebooted yourself, something else is going wrong. |
| 09:17:52 | decayedcell | dunno |
| 09:17:57 | decayedcell | its not rebooting now |
| 09:18:08 | decayedcell | but im positive it did it by itself in the os stacks screen |
| 09:19:10 | decayedcell | that was after i was viewing the audio thread |
| 09:19:39 | Llorean | Which type of iPod, by the way? |
| 09:19:42 | decayedcell | might have just been my clumsy fingers |
| 09:19:47 | decayedcell | 5.5g video 30gb |
| 09:21:06 | decayedcell | mm no it musta been me accidentally hitting the centre button and menu |
| 09:25:07 | decayedcell | perhaps it has something to do with the brightness patch |
| 09:25:21 | decayedcell | the backlight might have turned off after buffering? |
| 09:25:42 | Llorean | The backlight stays on in the plugin. |
| 09:25:57 | Llorean | Are you sure the battery didn't die while buffering? |
| 09:26:19 | decayedcell | hmm i'll plug it into my comp and try again |
| 09:26:30 | Llorean | Give it time to build up some charge. |
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| 09:28:22 | decayedcell | its unusual though battery is nearly full |
| 09:29:23 | Llorean | I dunno then |
| 09:29:39 | Llorean | But the backlight going out is a strange thing, plus yours rebooting randomly in the OS Stacks screen. |
| 09:29:53 | Llorean | It's pretty unlikely that you'd have held down Menu+Select for long enough to hard reboot |
| 09:32:21 | decayedcell | true |
| 09:32:32 | decayedcell | but a few seconds earlier i was in the audio thread screen |
| 09:32:45 | decayedcell | forgot that to go back was to press << |
| 09:32:55 | decayedcell | i would have held the menu+select for a few seconds |
| 09:33:33 | Llorean | Why would you hold them both? |
| 09:33:38 | Llorean | Plus, restarting happens immediately |
| 09:33:43 | decayedcell | yeah i know |
| 09:34:22 | decayedcell | but i went into os stacks and after a few seconds it rebooted =/ |
| 09:34:54 | decayedcell | i didn't know how to get out of the audio thread screen so i was going to reboot it |
| 09:34:56 | Llorean | If you weren't pressing menu+select at the time, the reboot was definitely caused by something else. |
| 09:35:05 | decayedcell | yeah i wasn't |
| 09:35:17 | decayedcell | but i tried playing the same song |
| 09:35:22 | decayedcell | going into audio thread |
| 09:35:24 | decayedcell | then into os stacks |
| 09:35:28 | decayedcell | and it was fine |
| 09:35:36 | Llorean | There's no guarantee that something like that can be reproduced that easily |
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| 09:39:32 | decayedcell | ok tried playing an mpg agn |
| 09:39:42 | decayedcell | it buffers with the backlight for a second or two |
| 09:39:50 | decayedcell | but gets stuck with buffering |
| 09:39:56 | decayedcell | backlight has gone off |
| 09:40:07 | decayedcell | looks frozen |
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| 09:51:26 | jhMikeS | Happy new year and I hope everyone's holidays went well |
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| 09:57:09 | jhMikeS | preglow: can a limiter be implemented to be fast and lightweight and work well? The purpose: pcm buffer mixdown without just cutting channel volume like with voice currently |
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| 10:11:59 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 10:12:11 | Everybody | I fixed rockbox by installing the dualboot loader :D |
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| 10:12:44 | Ajaxinc | so |
| 10:12:49 | Ajaxinc | we should work at VIDEO! |
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| 10:14:11 | jhMikeS | video...hmmm...I think provisions need to be made to use video like normal codecs in the playback system...after a plugin provides good sound a framerates of course then just transfer it over. |
| 10:14:32 | Ajaxinc | well |
| 10:14:36 | Ajaxinc | i mean |
| 10:14:46 | Ajaxinc | i can play video on my gigabeat and everythign with very good framrate |
| 10:14:51 | Ajaxinc | and synced audio |
| 10:14:57 | Ajaxinc | but i jsut hate how it dosnt rebuffer |
| 10:16:46 | jhMikeS | when it was just video, on x5 it did rebuffer but I don't have the player back from service yet so I'm a bit behind. that and the holidays. |
| 10:17:32 | Ajaxinc | hmmk |
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| 10:21:23 | jhMikeS | when was sound added to it? mpegplayer I assume. |
| 10:22:47 | jhMikeS | Ahh...I see, yesterday on the front page :) |
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| 10:26:06 | Ajaxinc | :] |
| 10:28:57 | jhMikeS | I also see pcm_* functions are about to multiply but I want to remove the reset parameter to pcm_apply_settings before that happens. It should be automatic. |
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| 10:43:29 | jamie | i have a proble wid rockbox |
| 10:43:32 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: I found another one in MR reporting the same thing (white noise) http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50527 |
| 10:44:04 | jamie | i have a problem wid rockbox |
| 10:44:28 | jamie | plz help |
| 10:44:34 | jamie | plz |
| 10:44:45 | Genre9mp3 | jamie: wid? Sorry I'm not a native speaker, what wid means? |
| 10:44:49 | GodEater | me waits for both proper english, and a description of the problem. |
| 10:45:16 | jamie | ok i have a problem with rockbox can someone help? |
| 10:45:23 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: is your X5 ok? |
| 10:45:41 | Genre9mp3 | jamie: go ahead and describe your problem |
| 10:46:05 | * | Genre9mp3 spots petur around as well :) |
| 10:46:08 | jamie | ok well rockbox sucks cock how do i fix this problem? |
| 10:46:15 | jamie | do i install linux....i think so |
| 10:46:29 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 10:46:31 | Genre9mp3 | jamie: yeah... probably a good solution for you |
| 10:46:32 | Kick | (#Rockbox jamie :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 10:46:34 | Genre9mp3 | bye bye |
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| 10:47:14 | Ajaxinc | lol |
| 10:47:15 | Ajaxinc | jamie sucks |
| 10:48:06 | * | Ajaxinc spits on his grave |
| 10:48:21 | nls_web | any h10 owners around? |
| 10:48:44 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: Don't know yet. With the holidays it's probably gonna be a bit longer and I hope they take their time this time and get it right. |
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| 10:49:02 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders where all the H300 users have gone in MR |
| 10:49:19 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: have you re-send it to them? |
| 10:51:03 | jhMikeS | Yeah, delivered to them on 12/28/05. At least they paid the shipping back. |
| 10:52:08 | Genre9mp3 | I was just wondering if you have tried video playback. The white noise problem must be for coldfire targets I guess |
| 10:52:44 | Drkepilogue | are u talking about the mpegplayer plugin?? |
| 10:52:46 | jhMikeS | Suppose I'll find out whenever it's sent back to me and I can actually connect it to a computer :P |
| 10:53:22 | Genre9mp3 | what was the case before? I mean, after they have sent it back to you? |
| 10:53:37 | Genre9mp3 | Drkepilogue: yes |
| 10:54:00 | Drkepilogue | hmmmm well for me, it cant even play back mpeg right... |
| 10:54:01 | Drkepilogue | >_< |
| 10:54:08 | Drkepilogue | and no sound what so ever |
| 10:54:12 | jhMikeS | Last time I had it there was of course no audio for mpegplayer but video ran but a bit slow |
| 10:54:21 | Genre9mp3 | Drkepilogue: what player do you have? |
| 10:54:26 | Drkepilogue | ipodcolor... |
| 10:54:52 | Genre9mp3 | Drkepilogue: with or without the coprocessor patch? |
| 10:55:09 | jhMikeS | genre9mp3: or are you asking what problem I had that made me send it back? ?? |
| 10:55:17 | Drkepilogue | i guess w/o cuz i dunno how to patch stuff >_> |
| 10:55:37 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: I was actually asking ab... yes |
| 10:55:49 | Drkepilogue | i just download the lastest CVS and tried it.. |
| 10:55:59 | linuxstb | Drkepilogue: Have you tried the sample videos from http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ ? |
| 10:56:09 | Drkepilogue | yup |
| 10:56:10 | Drkepilogue | yup |
| 10:56:12 | Drkepilogue | using the elephant dream vid |
| 10:56:20 | Drkepilogue | weird color keep poping up |
| 10:56:46 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: it wouldn't connect via the USB port at all. kept coming up as some funny USB storage device and crashing everything. the joystick and other things I asked them to fix were still not fixed correctly either |
| 10:57:15 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: wooo.... nice service! |
| 10:57:35 | Drkepilogue | and BTW, when u click on the mpeg file on the ipod, it doesnt use the mpegplayer automaticly |
| 10:57:36 | jhMikeS | came back worse than it started...indeed |
| 10:57:43 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: I hope when they send it back to you again there won't be a third problem as well |
| 10:57:50 | Drkepilogue | u got to hold the select button and choose mpegplayer |
| 10:58:17 | Genre9mp3 | Drkepilogue: sounds like you don't use latest cvs build |
| 10:58:25 | linuxstb | Drkepilogue: Then you didn't install the cvs build correctly. |
| 10:58:25 | Drkepilogue | O_o |
| 10:58:33 | linuxstb | It sounds like it's still running the old version. |
| 10:58:41 | Drkepilogue | i just extract the thingy to the ipod.. |
| 10:58:50 | Genre9mp3 | define thingy |
| 10:58:56 | GodEater | Bagder: is the mailing list server up? I tried subscribing this morning (about an hour ago) but still haven't had a confirmation request ? |
| 10:59:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: Could you convert the test video w/sound to another (missong) resolution - 160x128? |
| 10:59:23 | amiconn | *missing |
| 10:59:56 | GodEater | amiconn: did you see my note from NYE? |
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| 11:00:00 | Genre9mp3 | ah amiconn :) have you tried video playback on any of your coldfire targets? |
| 11:00:09 | amiconn | No, but I'm about to |
| 11:00:13 | * | GodEater notes how everyone leaps on amiconn at once :) |
| 11:00:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I'm working through them - I need Bagder around to move them from my limited webspace to download.rockbox.org |
| 11:00:44 | amiconn | Yesterday I experimented with some thought-to-be-better memcpy algorithm on coldfire |
| 11:00:56 | amiconn | Turned out worse than the current :/ |
| 11:02:23 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: me too :) I miss it since it's the only thing I have that can hold all my stuff. |
| 11:02:47 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: At least I hope you enjoying your H100 ;) |
| 11:02:49 | jhMikeS | though I am expecting an archos player to arrive |
| 11:03:05 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Do the coldfire targets always produce static noise instead of audio? |
| 11:03:05 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: definitely |
| 11:03:32 | * | amiconn suspects an endian issue if that's the case |
| 11:03:41 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: with current cvs build yes... I always get white noise |
| 11:04:07 | Genre9mp3 | it didn't happen with a previious patch linuxstb gave me though |
| 11:04:09 | amiconn | But video runs ok? |
| 11:04:13 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
| 11:04:25 | linuxstb | The only difference I can think of compared to the earlier (working-on-Coldfire) version of my patch is that there is now a separate audio thread, as well as a video thread. |
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| 11:04:39 | amiconn | hmm |
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| 11:05:17 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you have a coldfire target? Even if it's just a H1x0, you could still test what's going wrong |
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| 11:05:31 | amiconn | Just don't draw the video (or even use the grayscale lib) |
| 11:06:27 | jhMikeS | is coldfire the only big endian cpu or something? |
| 11:06:45 | amiconn | No, archos (i.e. SH1) is also big endian |
| 11:06:48 | linuxstb | Yes, I have my H140 with me, so can try it. I strongly doubt it's an endian issue though. |
| 11:07:14 | linuxstb | What are the alignment requirements for the audio DMA? |
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| 11:07:32 | amiconn | If it is an endian issue, the problem should also show up on a big endian sim (e.g. on powermacs) |
| 11:08:38 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: the min is 4 byte alignment though 16 byte is better |
| 11:08:45 | linuxstb | The audio decoding code itself didn't change between the first patch and the CVS commit, so I can't see how an endian issue could have slipped in. |
| 11:08:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: 32 bit afaik (stereo sample pairs) |
| 11:10:11 | Ajaxinc | hey |
| 11:10:24 | Ajaxinc | how about rebuffering mpg videos? :] |
| 11:12:11 | linuxstb | Good idea - I didn't think of doing that :) |
| 11:12:35 | Ajaxinc | i love you linuxstb |
| 11:12:40 | Ajaxinc | :] |
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| 11:13:23 | Drkepilogue | hmmmm i didnt no rockbox had a mp3 encoder! |
| 11:13:24 | Drkepilogue | xD |
| 11:13:28 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: how difficult will the work be to convert to an mpv.codec or the like? |
| 11:14:08 | * | amiconn wonders what that should be good for |
| 11:14:15 | linuxstb | JhMikeS: I haven't really thought about that yet. |
| 11:14:22 | linuxstb | Playlists... |
| 11:14:28 | linuxstb | Mixing video with audio... |
| 11:14:50 | amiconn | Doesn't make sense to me, honestly |
| 11:15:33 | jhMikeS | playlists should just accept it like any other media file really |
| 11:16:16 | Genre9mp3 | what exactly is mpv? special container or something? |
| 11:17:37 | jhMikeS | was just saying instead of mpeg audio, mpeg video. video should really be no problem to slip into the playback system. the wps just needs to be able to provide a place for the image. |
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| 11:20:22 | amiconn | Anything less than full-screen doesn't make sense for video, really |
| 11:21:14 | GodEater | certainly not in the first instance if you ask me |
| 11:21:19 | amiconn | And imho watching video is a completely different thing than listening to audio |
| 11:21:27 | Genre9mp3 | mpv is just m1v or m2v? |
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| 11:22:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: same here. full screen unless controls need to be temporarily visible for seeking or volume control |
| 11:24:22 | Ajaxinc | i like... rebuffering :] |
| 11:26:19 | GodEater | jhMikeS: I think that should be implemented as an overlay for video eventually |
| 11:26:44 | GodEater | although I've NO idea how tough that'll be to implement |
| 11:27:04 | Ajaxinc | or, we could jsut focus on rebuffering :] |
| 11:27:06 | jhMikeS | GodEater: on x5 it's as close as it will get since lcd_yuv_blit draws right to the display |
| 11:27:19 | Ajaxinc | so i can enjoy my invader zim in the middle of class while you guys work out the other bugs |
| 11:27:19 | Ajaxinc | :] |
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| 11:27:41 | jhMikeS | Real hw overlays aren't usuable on the H300 I'm told |
| 11:28:13 | amiconn | jhMikeS: All coldfire and SH1 video output draws directly to the display, either using lcd_yuv_blit() or using lcd_blit() |
| 11:28:15 | GodEater | I didn't think about that at all before I said it |
| 11:28:28 | GodEater | you'd need a framebuffer or something wouldn't you |
| 11:28:37 | GodEater | all eating more precious memory |
| 11:28:46 | * | GodEater goes to the back of the class |
| 11:29:04 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm aware of that but wasn't sure if GodEater meant it in another hw display surface or not. |
| 11:29:29 | GodEater | heh - I hadn't considered where to do it at all :) |
| 11:30:02 | GodEater | what's the yuv stand for btw ? |
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| 11:30:45 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Does video still play back perfectly for you? |
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| 11:31:12 | * | linuxstb waits patiently for his ibook to compile a h140 build |
| 11:31:20 | jhMikeS | I guess if overlay in rb parlance means anything bypassing the lcd_framebuffer then overlays are the norm for video |
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| 11:31:51 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Not yet on ipod afaik |
| 11:32:04 | Ajaxinc | i just want to watch invader zim :( |
| 11:32:17 | Schlumpf2007 | Hi all! Any news on sansa port sound? |
| 11:32:24 | jhMikeS | GodEater: Y = luminance, U = blue chroma, V = red chroma (maybe I reversed U and V :) |
| 11:33:29 | webguest99 | Hi. I've got a question about set_option. If I provide the function parameter, does this func get called with the index of the selected element as argument? If so, we need another param in set_option IMHO, namely the 'inverse' function. This would make use of set_option more straight forward. |
| 11:34:39 | webguest99 | You wouldn't need to first convert the real value to an index, the call set_opt, and then convert the selected index to the real value (the last action can now be done via the function, but not the first). |
| 11:35:17 | webguest99 | Has anyone had thoughts on this before? |
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| 11:35:33 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: yes, video plays fine |
| 11:35:54 | Ajaxinc | does it crash once your ram is all eaten up? |
| 11:37:23 | Ajaxinc | am i the only one that packbox dosnt work with? |
| 11:39:36 | linuxstb | Ajaxinc: What happens in pacbox? |
| 11:39:37 | jhMikeS | ok, I'll be the crazy one that tries integrating the video into the codec system ... all are free to mock me if I fail miserably :) |
| 11:40:16 | webguest99 | Is jdGordon (=menu guru) here? |
| 11:40:29 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: Forgive my ignorance but still I don't get what this mpv.codec is actually about |
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| 11:40:44 | nls_web | any h10 users want to test morse input mode? |
| 11:40:48 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: I'm getting white-noise on my H140 as well... So at least I can now debug. |
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| 11:41:17 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: cool (about the second part) |
| 11:41:25 | Ajaxinc | it tells me no roms |
| 11:41:32 | Ajaxinc | do i actually need the pacman rom? |
| 11:41:34 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: it would be a codec on the codec thread that uses all the seeking and playlist infrastucture that's in place but would also output a video stream. Audio can play back through the interface that's in place now. |
| 11:41:52 | Ajaxinc | cause i got that folder with pacman files off of globe whatever |
| 11:41:58 | linuxstb | Ajaxinc: Of course. pacbox is an emulator of the Pacman arcade machine hardware. |
| 11:42:06 | linuxstb | Check the manual for the roms required. |
| 11:42:33 | Ajaxinc | the .a1 and such and such |
| 11:42:56 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: so we could have an mpv and an mp3 file playing at the same time? |
| 11:42:57 | Ajaxinc | .5e .5h and such |
| 11:43:53 | jhMikeS | Genre9mp3: no, the video codec would use the audio system to play the sound stream. some organized interface for the video steam would need adding, that's all. |
| 11:44:00 | linuxstb | Ajaxinc: Yes. |
| 11:44:14 | Ajaxinc | i have those in that folder |
| 11:44:19 | Ajaxinc | and still not showing up |
| 11:44:47 | linuxstb | Ajaxinc: Do you have the 6 files mentioned in the manual, with the correct filenames, and matching md5 checksums? |
| 11:44:53 | jhMikeS | An mpg file would use the buffer for the undecoded file just as audio playback does and split the streams into sound and video. |
| 11:44:57 | Ajaxinc | i got them off of globes site |
| 11:45:03 | Ajaxinc | so im pretty sure thier right |
| 11:45:12 | linuxstb | But have you checked the filenames against the manual? |
| 11:45:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: you're crazy.... |
| 11:45:50 | Genre9mp3 | jhMikeS: ah... so the user would just play regular mpg files but he can use them in playlists as well or even use bookmarks, right? |
| 11:45:55 | jhMikeS | Don't think I'd demand crossfade for video though (to alpha blend two videos together :) |
| 11:46:03 | linuxstb | I want gapless though... |
| 11:46:32 | linuxstb | Resuming of videos would be useful as well... |
| 11:46:34 | jhMikeS | gapless video? hehe...maybe |
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| 11:47:31 | Ajaxinc | or, just video that dosnt crash? please :( |
| 11:47:36 | Ajaxinc | :] |
| 11:47:43 | Ajaxinc | not to sound whiny or anything |
| 11:47:55 | jhMikeS | resuming just saves the current position so that should be automatic really |
| 11:48:55 | amiconn | The codec needs to support seeking for this to work |
| 11:48:56 | jhMikeS | I imagine the codec would have to seek to the proper starting picture and decode to the final start position |
| 11:50:14 | webguest99 | Hm... Noone here who knows menu/settings code well. I'll ask later. But the inconsistency/assymetry is obvious IMHO. |
| 11:50:23 | jhMikeS | but exactly how to perform the seek should be the codec's concern in that case |
| 11:51:02 | jhMikeS | webguest99: I did some updating on that. What was the question? I _might_ know something. |
| 11:51:24 | Genre9mp3 | This PANIC stkov with dircache when booting starts to be really annoying :< |
| 11:52:50 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: see the today's entry from 11.33.29 |
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| 11:54:10 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: You could try increasing the dircache stack size - in firmware/common/dircache.c, line 63. |
| 11:54:38 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: thanks, I'll try that |
| 11:55:53 | jhMikeS | webguest99: I did discuss it with JdGordon. I think a small enhancement should allow real values in set_option as well as the ability to hide options through the callbacks and not affect the index. |
| 11:56:57 | barrywardell | nls_web: i'll test that patch for you now |
| 11:57:09 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: have you agreed on something? |
| 11:57:15 | jhMikeS | The value lists are readily available in the settings array afterall |
| 11:57:24 | nls_web | barrywardell: thanks |
| 11:57:43 | jhMikeS | webguest99: no...I just told him I wanted it cause it would simplify the audio menus a lot |
| 11:58:49 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: I want to use set_option in a plugin. There I have a real value. I wouldn't want to convert it to the index in the values array, then call set_opt, then set the value. It's not very elegant IMHO. |
| 11:58:49 | jhMikeS | The recording source option for one where FM Radio may be detected or not detected |
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| 11:59:59 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: or we could enhance the opt_item structure to also include the real value |
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| 12:00:29 | jhMikeS | The arrays spread everywhere should go imho. I did add the option to use external or direct arrays for a setting depending on the need. Samplerates are taken from an external array but it makes sense there. |
| 12:00:40 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: that would make the function param unnecessary. Or do I miss smth.? |
| 12:02:47 | jhMikeS | webguess99: Right now I'm forgetting which parameter you're talking about. It's been awhile. |
| 12:03:24 | jhMikeS | sorry, webguest99, not webguess99 :) |
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| 12:05:37 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: I'm talking about the callback function that may be provided in a call to set_option. That function (if it's specified) gets applied to the selected index. |
| 12:07:23 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: ..and can be used to convert the selected index to the real value. But there's nothing to convert the real value to the initial value of the index. This has to be made "by hand" atm |
| 12:07:34 | jhMikeS | ok. yes. that calls the function to apply setting immediately but with an index. |
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| 12:09:28 | jhMikeS | Indexes would be ok, as long as they dont change if an item is dropped. The real value lookup can be easy if the pointer to the setting item's structure is provided too. |
| 12:09:46 | Ajaxinc | so any thign with nethack happenin? |
| 12:11:34 | jhMikeS | The index is more flexible in general and round_value_to_list32 returns an index and not the rounded value for example. Use the index if preffered or just lookup the value in the array passed in. |
| 12:12:43 | barrywardell | nls_web: the morse input works fine. the only problem is that in morse mode i can't move the cursor down to the text to delete |
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| 12:13:57 | jhMikeS | webguest99: I wanted a way of compiling that code into an automatic enum {}; with settings indexes into the main table and all you're desiring (and me too) would be very easy to accomplish. |
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| 12:17:33 | Ajaxinc | #plugins |
| 12:17:52 | Ajaxinc | are there any other general rockbox channels? |
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| 12:19:58 | nls_web2 | barrywardell: thanks for testing, I'll see if I can fix it. |
| 12:20:01 | * | jhMikeS cannot move down to the text on the keyboard on the H120...never could. |
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| 12:23:16 | amiconn | jhMikeS: On h1x0, h300 and recorders, the virtual keyboard doesn't use modes, but has separate button assignments for moving the cursor and deleting characters in the input line |
| 12:24:14 | amiconn | On the other targets with less buttons, the virtual keyboard uses 2 modes: picker and line edit |
| 12:24:28 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: I don't quite undestand why we should deal with the index at all. After all, we want to set the value of a var. Each option has a text (to show to the user) and a real value. It's like the option tag in HTML. Why messing with index? |
| 12:25:19 | webguest99 | Why not include both the text and the real value into opt_item? |
| 12:27:39 | webguest99 | For example, in the new firewoks plugin, all settings are defined pair wise: texts and the corresponding values as two separate arrays. And the var stores the index. Weird IMHO. I'd rather prefer to have the real value in the var. |
| 12:29:33 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I really find that awkward myself to use the play button. It's fast to just go to the text and move the cursor or hit select/navi to delete chars. |
| 12:29:59 | amiconn | webguest99: There is a reason why large-range settings values are stored as indices rather than plain values |
| 12:30:56 | amiconn | The settings are stored as bit tables in order to save space, and an index takes less bits than the plain value |
| 12:31:31 | jhMikeS | webguest99: Well I don't want to lose flexibility for one. And amiconn said it for another reason :). but that isn't an issue with the settings patch. |
| 12:31:42 | amiconn | This is because settings are (still) stored in a hiddes sector on disk, and on some targets in nonvolatile memory which isn't very big |
| 12:31:55 | webguest99 | amiconn: well, that's another case. If you have an int setting that goes e.g. from 0 to 1000 I wouldn't want that. But for a small set of discrete settings I'd prefer to specify values with texts. |
| 12:32:27 | amiconn | When we switch to storing (most) settings as text this will no longer be an issue |
| 12:32:51 | * | GodEaterWeb jumps up and down and tries to attract amiconn's attention |
| 12:33:16 | * | jhMikeS made the samplerates store as 44100, 88200, etc. in the JdGordon's patch |
| 12:33:23 | amiconn | There is a patch in the tracker for this which has come quite far, but still lacks some things |
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| 12:33:52 | webguest99 | amiconn: I'm not talking about RB settings but rather about the engine that lets the user to choose them. Or, more precisely, about the way the choice is programmed (by a RB programmer) |
| 12:33:54 | jhMikeS | with automatic rounding as an optional attribute |
| 12:34:04 | amiconn | ...mainly storing those ever-changing values as binary, and ironing out some bugs |
| 12:34:10 | amiconn | ...e.g. voice not working |
| 12:34:51 | webguest99 | amiconn: how the settings are actually stored on disk (as text or as bi values or...) is another matter IMHO. |
| 12:35:19 | webguest99 | amiconn: in the code, we always work with real values (or should if we don't). |
| 12:35:32 | amiconn | No it's not... we don't want unnecessary conversion layers because that makes the code more complex |
| 12:35:57 | amiconn | ...and code size is always an issue on embedded platforms |
| 12:36:26 | webguest99 | The question arose as I wanted to call set_option from a plugin. The user can choice one item out of three. |
| 12:36:38 | jhMikeS | if the conversion is small and localized then it probably will save space instead of having every instance providing its own |
| 12:37:47 | amiconn | I agree that the lower levels should all take literal values instead of indices, and once we switched to file configs, the upper level can also be switched |
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| 12:38:00 | webguest99 | But look at the fireworks code (as an example). Pairwise arrays, an the order of entries must match. Very fragile! |
| 12:38:28 | Genre9mp3 | midkay: around? |
| 12:38:51 | jhMikeS | I did use a function that is used commonly in the recording code for the conversion so no new layer to speak of |
| 12:40:53 | amiconn | GodEater: wazzup? |
| 12:40:55 | jhMikeS | webguest99: you can use specified element initialization like my_array[] = { [INDEX_X] = something, ... }. less fragile |
| 12:41:12 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn - I'm in the middle of a v. informative conversation with a friend of mine who used to work at Rio |
| 12:41:25 | GodEaterWeb | he has some ideas on what might be going on with the 80GB ipod |
| 12:41:42 | GodEaterWeb | there's rather a lot though - can you PM me your email address (assuming you're interested) ? |
| 12:43:15 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: but it's not nice. An intuitive way would be: opts={ {"Text1", val1}, {"Text2", val2}} −− and then call set_option(opts, &my_var). Wouldn't it? |
| 12:45:15 | jhMikeS | webguest99: yes, would work but with the settings update that data will be stored in the settings array but for now it's not really possible. |
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| 12:46:43 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: would that update also make working with settings in plugins more comfortable? Or is it only aimed at RB global settings? |
| 12:47:24 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn - it's on it's way - let me know if you think there's anything useful in it |
| 12:47:27 | jhMikeS | webguest99: That I don't know right now. I'm not sure if JdGordon made any changes there. |
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| 12:50:18 | jhMikeS | I'm thinking it needs to work in any way that's needed and be a simple implementation too. It could return the index still in your case and then you can just look up afterwards from the opts but the pairing won't be fragile. |
| 12:51:34 | amiconn | We must not forget the voice ui here. The value needs to be voiceable somehow |
| 12:51:45 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn: by the way, if there's anything in there that looks like it's trying to teach you to suck eggs - sorry! The GPIO education was for my benefit - probably not yours |
| 12:52:35 | webguest99 | amiconn: yes, have struct opt_item{text_to_show, real_value, voice_id} |
| 12:53:34 | jhMikeS | well, most values like that are voiced with a real number and a unit id |
| 12:53:47 | amiconn | Real numeric values don't have voice ids, but they need to be marked as such and the unit needs to be specified |
| 12:55:50 | webguest99 | amiconn: we need (and already have IIRC) two API's: one for numeric settings (with unit, min, max, step, etc) and one for discrete settings. I'm talking only about the latter case. |
| 12:57:08 | amiconn | Yes, but discrete settings are used for numeric values in some places, if they're not equally distributed |
| 12:57:18 | amiconn | The backlight timeout is such an example |
| 12:58:47 | webguest99 | amiconn: then they are (technically speaking) discrete settings and need to be defined as such. At the 'human level' they are numeric ofcourse. |
| 12:58:59 | jhMikeS | it has that pesky lookup tucked away in backlight.c though...eck |
| 12:59:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, sure, but wouldn't it be equally good to just fade audio smoothly out while voice clips play? |
| 12:59:59 | preglow | jhMikeS: not an expert, though, i've never actually coded a limiter |
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| 13:00:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: Here's an X5-sized version of Elephants Dream - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-160x128-287kbps.mpg |
| 13:00:29 | webguest99 | jhMikeS: another reason to enhance the opt_item structure. |
| 13:00:42 | jhMikeS | preglow: had more in mind than just voice...probably 4 channels or so with the ability of plugins to use a sound channel during playback |
| 13:02:49 | preglow | jhMikeS: but yeah, i don't think a limiter need be very slow, but it'll have to introduce some delay (look-ahead) in order to be decent |
| 13:03:04 | jhMikeS | I want smooth cosine rolloff/up for starts and stops on each channel too. A mixing board with gain on each, 2 channels for playback (for x-fading), 1 for beep, 1 for voice, maybe 1 for plugins |
| 13:03:10 | amiconn | Hmm, am I the only one who thinks fireworks.rock isn't really impressive? |
| 13:03:29 | webguest99 | amiconn: visually or code wise? |
| 13:03:31 | * | linuxstb hasn't tried it. |
| 13:03:42 | amiconn | Visually, resulting from how it's coded |
| 13:03:51 | amiconn | Plain integers instead of fixed point |
| 13:04:07 | jhMikeS | preglow: and a DSP approach for the fade too instead of the volume control for SWCODEC |
| 13:04:18 | preglow | yeah, that would very nice |
| 13:04:20 | preglow | goodbye clicking |
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| 13:04:46 | * | linuxstb is running out of ideas to fix Coldfire audio in mpegplayer... |
| 13:04:47 | jhMikeS | That would just result from each channel having a gain stage |
| 13:05:11 | webguest99 | amiconn: well, I think it's more than OK for a DAP. And the code is nice except from the fact with options :-P |
| 13:05:23 | preglow | linuxstb: fix? |
| 13:05:45 | linuxstb | Somehow I broke it between my initial patches and committing to CVS. |
| 13:05:57 | linuxstb | I just get noise... |
| 13:06:07 | linuxstb | Works fine on ARM though. |
| 13:06:13 | linuxstb | (Gigabeat and PortalPlayer) |
| 13:06:27 | jhMikeS | not really sure how to approach it though. not trivial and must be fast. crossfade would just be feeding two audio channels with sould and adjusting the volume. hope I'm not creating a nighmare :) |
| 13:07:41 | preglow | jhMikeS: i wouldn't be too sure on how to approach it either... |
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| 13:09:04 | mamott99 | is there a rockbox bootloader for the gigabeat f/x series? where can i find it? |
| 13:09:57 | jhMikeS | So much is required to be a "late effect" so the results are heard rather immediately. Some things can be early effects like sample rate conversion. I need to draw one of those functional diagrams like you see for ICs with what stage should go where. The final summing point would happen right in the DMA and nothing can be modified beyond that point. hmm |
| 13:10:21 | linuxstb | mamott99: Try asking in #gigabeat |
| 13:10:33 | mamott99 | ok thx |
| 13:10:55 | jba | mamott99, http://globelock.mine.nu/rockbox/main-cvs/ occaisionally posts builds from cvs |
| 13:11:13 | jba | the bootloader in there works with current download.rockbox.org cvs downloads for the gigabeat |
| 13:11:23 | mamott99 | ah, thank you! |
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| 13:11:44 | jba | don't forget to copy your original bootloader to FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG |
| 13:11:45 | * | jhMikeS just gets crazy ideas in his head |
| 13:11:56 | mamott99 | will do |
| 13:12:08 | jba | hey guys does crossfading songs drain much extra power? |
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| 13:12:31 | jhMikeS | some change there is needed to split voice away from playback and add other capability that I'd like |
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| 13:15:14 | jhMikeS | jba: well it makes things a bit busier for a couple seconds or so mixing buffers. can't imagine it should be too bad. |
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| 13:17:24 | mamott99 | thank you very much, guys, it works great! |
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| 13:27:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: Something is really wrong with mpegplayer on coldfire |
| 13:27:10 | jhMikeS | at least about 512KB of memory will be regained in the first iteration at that :) simplifying the audio init to one stage saved a lot too |
| 13:27:41 | amiconn | I don't hear any sound on H300, and the main thread exits the plugin while the video thread is still up & running (!!) |
| 13:27:53 | amiconn | Now I have a file browser with a video overlay... |
| 13:28:09 | linuxstb | hehe... |
| 13:28:09 | linuxstb | That's not good. |
| 13:28:47 | amiconn | Starting another plugin makes it crash, of course |
| 13:29:08 | petur | wow, can we have moving backdrops now? :p |
| 13:29:22 | amiconn | More like a frontdrop... |
| 13:29:24 | jhMikeS | petur: beat me to it :) |
| 13:29:34 | amiconn | I used a non-fullscreen video |
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| 13:30:46 | linuxstb | One of my elephants dream encodes? |
| 13:30:55 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:31:09 | amiconn | Tried both the widescreen version for H300, and the X5 version |
| 13:31:45 | amiconn | Same problem occurs on X5 |
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| 13:32:18 | amiconn | (less easy to see since there is no widescreen version yet, but the browsers "flickers through" when moving the cursor) |
| 13:32:53 | amiconn | There's a short splash "Cannot create.... " |
| 13:33:03 | linuxstb | That must be "cannot create thread" |
| 13:33:05 | amiconn | Doesn't appear long enough to read it fully |
| 13:33:29 | amiconn | That means that there is some error handling missing |
| 13:33:30 | linuxstb | Which would probably explain the immediate quit without closing the video thread. |
| 13:33:37 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 13:34:13 | linuxstb | But I've just discovered that if I decode audio on the main thread (rather than creating a new thread), it's working. |
| 13:35:06 | amiconn | The splash is indeed "Cannot create audio thread" |
| 13:35:39 | linuxstb | The audio thread is the second thread created, and mpegplayer doesn't kill the video thread if the audio thread can't be created... |
| 13:35:47 | linuxstb | It just returns PLUGIN_ERROR. |
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| 13:36:06 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:36:07 | linuxstb | But why would the thread creation fail? |
| 13:36:21 | linuxstb | Just the maximum number of threads being reached? |
| 13:36:22 | amiconn | Too many threads? |
| 13:37:12 | jhMikeS | demolish the backlight thread to make room |
| 13:37:52 | amiconn | #if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC |
| 13:37:52 | amiconn | #define MAXTHREADS15 |
| 13:38:08 | linuxstb | Yes, looks like MAXTHREADS is the only error condition in create_thread. |
| 13:38:13 | amiconn | ..and there are already 14 threads running without that plugin |
| 13:38:42 | amiconn | But why does it work on ipod then? |
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| 13:39:45 | jhMikeS | I wonder if the recording thread shouldn't be stopped when recording is closed. Seems unncessary unless you're recording something. |
| 13:40:26 | linuxstb | I only have 12 threads running on my ipod Color when I turn it on. |
| 13:40:40 | linuxstb | (according to the debug screen) |
| 13:40:42 | amiconn | Does the ipod color have recording now? |
| 13:40:57 | linuxstb | Yes. pcmrec is one of them. |
| 13:41:32 | amiconn | I have: main, scroll, remote_scroll, usb, backlight, power, audio, codec, ata, dircache, tagcache, playlist_cachectrl, pcm, voice codec |
| 13:41:44 | linuxstb | remote_scroll... |
| 13:42:05 | amiconn | That's one... but there are 2 more than on ipod color |
| 13:42:08 | linuxstb | And I don't have voice enabled. |
| 13:42:32 | jhMikeS | you'll have a voice thread if a file is detected |
| 13:42:36 | amiconn | Me neither... |
| 13:42:41 | linuxstb | Yes, I don't even have the file. |
| 13:42:48 | amiconn | That explains it... |
| 13:43:23 | linuxstb | Any objection to bumping MAX_THREADS by one? |
| 13:43:48 | amiconn | Could be done... but the plugin still needs proper error handling |
| 13:45:23 | linuxstb | It just needs to kill the video thread. I'll add that. |
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| 13:46:32 | jhMikeS | Personally I'd like to shut off stuff not needed all the time like pcmrec. That state is so specific and modal. Voice and backlight should just be history. Why can't scroll and remote scroll be the same? |
| 13:47:23 | linuxstb | But going back to the Coldfire audio problems, does anyone know any reason libmad would work on the main thread (and obviously in the codec thread), but not on my own audio thread? |
| 13:47:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Scroll and remote_scroll can be set to different intervals. |
| 13:47:53 | amiconn | And why would backlight be unneeded? |
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| 13:52:34 | jhMikeS | wondering if it can be handled at different intervals on one thread. backlight really can be a final state thing and the tick task can do it. |
| 13:52:54 | amiconn | No, the tick task cannot switch the backlight directly |
| 13:53:21 | amiconn | It could if it were just GPIO on all targets, but that's not the case |
| 13:53:37 | amiconn | On the recorders, switching backlight involves i2c |
| 13:54:06 | jhMikeS | Is the i2c used by interrupts? |
| 13:54:33 | amiconn | No, quite to the contrary, it must not be used in interrupts |
| 13:54:42 | amiconn | And tick tasks run in the timer interrupt |
| 13:55:37 | amiconn | It _might_ be possibly to unify the display stuff (scroll and backlight) into one thread per display |
| 13:56:00 | jhMikeS | I know they do...ok, is there any way to combine threads for infrequent events? |
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| 13:57:21 | jhMikeS | backlight seems almost like a power managment task to me |
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| 14:05:29 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn: had a chance to read that email yet? any of it useful ? |
| 14:06:58 | jhMikeS | also, are all the SWCODEC targets' DMA interrupts at an unmaskable level or is this just a coldfire deal? I'm thinking the usual disabling of interrupts should be at level 5 and DMA be at level 6 so it can be disabled at certain points for a short time but not interfered with normally. |
| 14:08:03 | linuxstb | OK, if I disable the Coldfire optimisations in libmad, mpegplayer works... |
| 14:08:29 | linuxstb | (with a separate audio thread). With the Coldfire optimisations, it only works if I decode audio in the main thread. |
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| 14:09:07 | jhMikeS | something in the emac status register not set right? |
| 14:09:07 | * | linuxstb pings preglow |
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| 14:13:27 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: That's what I thought, but I can't see anything that would do that for the main thread. |
| 14:13:46 | linuxstb | i.e. what's different between the main thread and the thread I'm creating? |
| 14:14:36 | preglow | linuxstb: ? |
| 14:14:59 | linuxstb | preglow; Any comments on my last 4 or 5 sentences? |
| 14:15:06 | preglow | linuxstb: try finding out the specific opt that breaks stuff |
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| 14:15:14 | preglow | linuxstb: some of them have been modified after i touched them |
| 14:15:26 | preglow | and either way, i'd hate to have to look at any of them again :> |
| 14:15:47 | linuxstb | :) |
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| 14:16:31 | linuxstb | libmad seems to work without error, but the audio it's returning is wrong... |
| 14:16:45 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:16:49 | linuxstb | Any suggestions where to start? |
| 14:16:52 | preglow | any special linkage? iram is used as normal? |
| 14:17:19 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: it's the first "thread" but never created, just added as a default. It's not given any special consideration beyond that. macsr is preserved per thread though. |
| 14:17:34 | linuxstb | Yes, IRAM is used as normal. The only thing that breaks it is when I create my own mpegplayer audio thread, rather than decoding in the main thread. |
| 14:18:07 | linuxstb | That audio thread has an IRAM stack. |
| 14:19:39 | preglow | well, i really have no idea |
| 14:19:46 | preglow | been a long time since i looked at that code anyway |
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| 14:20:27 | linuxstb | Any suggestions for asm I could use to initialise the EMAC in my thread? Does that make sense? (I know nothing about the EMAC...) |
| 14:20:29 | jhMikeS | libmad obviously works on the codec thread though |
| 14:20:35 | preglow | linuxstb: ah, right |
| 14:20:52 | preglow | that would be logical |
| 14:21:23 | linuxstb | mad_synth_init does this: coldfire_set_macsr(EMAC_FRACTIONAL | EMAC_SATURATE | EMAC_ROUND); |
| 14:21:32 | linuxstb | (which I'm calling...) |
| 14:21:34 | preglow | then that's what you want |
| 14:22:04 | linuxstb | There's nothing else? |
| 14:22:16 | jhMikeS | it should be preserved upon a task switch |
| 14:22:16 | preglow | macsr is saved across threads, so if you do some fancy thread stuff, you need to set it other places too |
| 14:24:47 | nls_web | barrywardell: if you read this I updated the patch in the tracker to enable line edit mode in the Morse mode screen, should work for ipods too in fact... |
| 14:25:31 | jhMikeS | mad_synth_init is called from the thread that uses libmad? (just a dumb question but have to ask :) |
| 14:25:42 | linuxstb | Not a dumb question, and not true :) |
| 14:25:54 | linuxstb | I call init_mad() from the main thread... |
| 14:26:14 | jhMikeS | there you go :) |
| 14:26:30 | * | linuxstb passes jhMikeS the beverage of his choice |
| 14:27:15 | jhMikeS | just coffee at this hour, thanks :) |
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| 14:27:23 | preglow | screw the hour! |
| 14:27:37 | jhMikeS | ok, Guiness then :) |
| 14:30:25 | linuxstb | Yes, that did the trick. Guinness in the post. |
| 14:30:42 | * | petur wonders why he suddenly wanted to check on the irc window.... |
| 14:31:06 | * | preglow votes for the alcoholic tendency |
| 14:34:56 | jhMikeS | *glug* ahh |
| 14:36:39 | linuxstb | preglow: Tried mpegplayer on your Nano? |
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| 14:39:51 | linuxstb | Anyone object to me bumping MAX_THREADS by 1 to allow mpegplayer to create two threads on targets with LCD remotes and voice files installed? |
| 14:43:13 | jhMikeS | I don't object but I'm still thinking pcmrec should only exist when recording is initialized and video playback makes recording impossible at the same time so it's not really needed to do so. The change is pretty trivial and safe. |
| 14:43:57 | jhMikeS | But then the debugging screen won't display the pcmrec stack usage anymore...hmmm |
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| 14:52:32 | jhMikeS | Be mindful it's only truely safe for a thread to remove itself via remove_thread(NULL) since waitable objects contain the waiter pointer and it seems wakeup_thread will bomb out later on the invalid entry (or wake the wrong thread if something took the slot). Just an observation. |
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| 14:55:42 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Haha! That was quick! :) thanks for fixing it :) |
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| 15:01:56 | midkay | Genre9mp3: here i am! :) |
| 15:02:36 | PaulJam | little question: can cvs still be used to update the source, or do i have to use svn now? |
| 15:03:26 | midkay | afk for 10 mins or so |
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| 15:09:09 | Genre9mp3 | midkay: I was wondering if you plan to commit other games as well (like pegbox or chopper) |
| 15:09:53 | jhMikeS | ummm...I didn't get no notification about a switch to svn other than the plans to...am I out of the loop now? ?? |
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| 15:10:25 | Genre9mp3 | isn't the svn switch supposed to be on 8th of Jan? |
| 15:11:59 | bluebrother | has there been a change to the FS notification mails? |
| 15:12:16 | jhMikeS | hmmm...didn't hear that either. the last message I have is a reply to one of my questions |
| 15:15:26 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: I assume you've tested? |
| 15:15:43 | jhMikeS | should post a countdown on the site till the switch :) is it installable on debian via the apt-get? |
| 15:16:05 | linuxstb | Yes, it's something like svn-client |
| 15:16:34 | jhMikeS | any min version that will be needed? unstable? |
| 15:16:44 | linuxstb | I've no idea... |
| 15:19:46 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: give me a moment, I was busy with something else |
| 15:19:46 | jhMikeS | says it couldn't find package svn-client ... hmmm |
| 15:20:00 | midkay | Genre9mp3: yeah, i am :) |
| 15:20:36 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: After you've (hopefully) confirmed that CVS is working, can you do a test with kiram's optimisations applied? Add "IBSS_ATTR" to line 300 of mpegplayer.c (i.e. so it reads "....MDLEN] IBSS_ATTR; /* 2567 bytes */" I would be interested to know if that increases the framerate further. |
| 15:20:37 | debauched_sloth | sudo apt-get subversion should work |
| 15:20:52 | debauched_sloth | (for getting subversion) |
| 15:21:24 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Sorry, "svn-client" is the package in fink (a Mac OS X thing). |
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| 15:24:43 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: everything seems ok... I had an mpg though (which I had encoded myself) that the music pauses some times |
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| 15:25:32 | Genre9mp3 | I mean: elephant's dream vids play alright now, but one mpg I've encoded myself has pauses in the sound |
| 15:26:32 | webguest99 | midkay: could you please read the discussion about set_options (started today at 11.33.29) and tell me your opinion? What did you feel/think as you coded menues for the fireworks plugin? |
| 15:27:30 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: I guess I'll experiment more and re-encode it but if you like I can send it to you for experimentation |
| 15:28:07 | Genre9mp3 | ...since that file previously played fine (without pauses in the sound) |
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| 15:28:35 | linuxstb | What kind of audio does it have? |
| 15:28:48 | Genre9mp3 | mp3 128kbps cbr |
| 15:29:06 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn: I tried something based on my discussion with my friend this morning - which is writing out the ATA_DATA register regardless of any errors returned in the ATA_STATUS register. |
| 15:29:08 | jhMikeS | seems to be svn-buildpackage by Googling |
| 15:29:16 | GodEaterWeb | now - it's still fubar - the data makes no sense at all |
| 15:29:22 | GodEaterWeb | but it is *changing* at least |
| 15:29:30 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: "apt-cache search svn" would have given you a list of candidates... |
| 15:30:11 | jhMikeS | hrmph...it's going in now :) don't know what I'll end up with |
| 15:30:42 | GodEaterWeb | do we initialise something somewhere with a bunch of 0xdeadbeef values ? |
| 15:30:49 | linuxstb | Yes, the stacks. |
| 15:31:42 | Angry | I am ready for testing here also linuxstb^^ (H10) |
| 15:31:50 | jhMikeS | hmmm...that just came up with a bunch of other packages it couldn't find |
| 15:32:04 | linuxstb | Angry: Nothing's changed - I've just spent all day fixing a Coldfire bug... |
| 15:32:05 | GodEaterWeb | well we appear to be getting those back again from the ata_read_sectors call on the MBR |
| 15:32:07 | midkay | webguest99: hmm.. well, it was a little harder than it might have been because most of the values you choose aren't exactly sequential. |
| 15:32:14 | GodEaterWeb | for at least the first few bytes |
| 15:32:15 | Angry | roger^^ |
| 15:32:19 | jhMikeS | but the seach comes up with a helluva lot of candidates |
| 15:32:33 | GodEaterWeb | all the way up to 0xd0 in the sector anyway |
| 15:32:43 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: "subversion" seems to be the package - as debauched_sloth mentioned 10 minutes ago... |
| 15:32:45 | GodEaterWeb | and then we starting getting "other stuff" |
| 15:32:56 | linuxstb | (and maybe subversion-tools) |
| 15:33:20 | jhMikeS | missed that one :) |
| 15:33:24 | linuxstb | Angry: Which H10 do you have? |
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| 15:34:50 | GodEaterWeb | are the stacks near the ATA registers ? |
| 15:34:50 | linuxstb | Angry: Have you compiled your own build with the kernel_on_cop_6.diff patch? |
| 15:34:55 | jhMikeS | stilll a lot of "failed to fetch:" |
| 15:35:05 | linuxstb | apt-get update ? |
| 15:35:39 | jhMikeS | trying that |
| 15:35:45 | jhMikeS | we'll see |
| 15:36:04 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: trying now the change you told me in mpegplayer.c |
| 15:36:52 | jhMikeS | seems to be going ok now |
| 15:37:06 | midkay | (gotta run, laters) |
| 15:38:38 | jhMikeS | yep it's there now...beverages of choice to linuxstb and debouched_sloth in return :) |
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| 15:39:43 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: I get errors with the change you mentioned |
| 15:39:51 | Genre9mp3 | while compiling that is |
| 15:40:08 | webguest99 | midkay: wouldn't it have been it easier if you could provide real values along with the setting texts (i.e. in one data structure)? |
| 15:40:40 | norbu | Hi all! I am currently building a new customized build (h3x0 norbu build) but get compile errors with mpegviewer ... is this known already? (PLUGIN_IRAM is full, section .ibss) |
| 15:41:40 | Genre9mp3 | huh? |
| 15:41:46 | Genre9mp3 | I just got the same error |
| 15:41:56 | Genre9mp3 | with mirak's optimisation patch? |
| 15:42:30 | norbu | what is mirak's optimisation patch? The one from FS #5995 idct_asm_coldfire_patch_0.2.patch? |
| 15:42:35 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
| 15:42:56 | norbu | yes, I have this one in my build. Do I have to kill it? |
| 15:43:28 | Genre9mp3 | well, it seems that it just got outdated |
| 15:43:39 | norbu | Ok, thanks ...1min and I try .... |
| 15:43:47 | jhMikeS | I suppose the read-only CVS will be good for diffing and patching to the svn checkout? |
| 15:44:24 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, that's the purpose of it IIUC. |
| 15:44:29 | norbu | Genre9mp3: thanks, worked, removing the optimisation patch made compiling work, even with my bunch of patches I have. |
| 15:44:53 | Genre9mp3 | norbu: well, you'll loose some performance though |
| 15:45:09 | norbu | Better than no performance at all ;-) |
| 15:45:39 | Genre9mp3 | sure, I wish mirak gets his hands on this |
| 15:45:40 | linuxstb | We're now fighting for IRAM between the video and audio... |
| 15:46:08 | norbu | BTW, I have fixed the progressbar_ycoord patch to work with the new markers stuff, not very hard. What should I do with it? The discussion about inclusion seems to be dead anyway, or? |
| 15:46:13 | linuxstb | Someone needs to try and find the optimal combination, or implement IRAM switching in some way.... |
| 15:46:16 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: So it's not the change that cause it, it's the whole patch outdated now |
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| 16:01:52 | fasmaie | linuxstb: I have put the information you requested about the new bootloader on a 20 GB 4G iPod on the forum |
| 16:02:11 | fasmaie | linuxstb: hope it helps figure out the problem |
| 16:02:24 | Genre9mp3 | norbu: about the progressbar_ycoord patch, I think that the idea is that we won't need it after viewports get implemented |
| 16:03:56 | norbu | Ah, ok. So I will continue fixing it for my builds as long as there are the mythical viewports ;-) ;-) |
| 16:05:15 | Angry | mythical^^ |
| 16:05:43 | Genre9mp3 | not as mythical as the mythical Rockbox 3.0 :P |
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| 16:06:00 | norbu | Basta with this, it doesn't help. |
| 16:06:29 | norbu | Angry: Did you ask for the cuesheet support patch to be included? |
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| 16:11:42 | liviu | hello |
| 16:11:51 | liviu | is it possible to dual boot rockbox with the ipods firmware? |
| 16:12:01 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 16:12:14 | liviu | and how would I do that? or where is it referenced in the manual? |
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| 16:12:52 | linuxstb | I don't know about the manual, but it's described here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 16:12:58 | liviu | thanks |
| 16:14:11 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Does mpegplayer still compile with karim's optimisation, but without that extra IBSS_ATTR I suggested to you? |
| 16:14:37 | GodEaterWeb | linuxstb: as far as I can see, it's not referenced in the manual at all |
| 16:15:11 | Febs | We need to put a "tips and tricks" section in the manual that contains that type of hardware-specific information. |
| 16:15:33 | linuxstb | Dual-booting isn't really a tip or a trick though... |
| 16:17:20 | Febs | I'm sure we could think of a better name. |
| 16:17:35 | GodEaterWeb | shouldn't it go into the bootloader section ? |
| 16:17:40 | Febs | But the point is that we need a section that deals with hardware-specific things like how to dual boot, how to clear settings, etc. |
| 16:18:21 | Febs | I was thinking that it could go in the Quick Start chapter. |
| 16:18:43 | linuxstb | The method is hardware-specific, but the task isn't. All (?) targets have dual-booting, a way to clear settings, etc etc. |
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| 16:20:25 | pixelma | Febs: I also think it would be placed better there - for example I'm still searching a place where to put the info about "usb power mode" in the Ondio manual |
| 16:21:09 | Schlumpf2007 | Hello! How about the sansa sound? Any news? |
| 16:21:50 | pixelma | Febs: the Quick start chapter would be a good choice for that too |
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| 16:23:20 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: It doesn't compile anymore with karim's patch, with or without the change |
| 16:23:41 | barrywardell | Schlumpf2007: no more progress on sound yet |
| 16:26:12 | Schlumpf2007 | so progress depends on DAC data sheet? nothing similar available? what a pity... |
| 16:26:33 | norbu | Genre9mp3 and linuxstb: I can check about the customization patch. What would be the suggested change? Currently the IBSS occurs only in +static mpeg2dec_t static_mpeg2dec IBSS_ATTR; What would be the suggested change? Removing only the IBBS_ATTR text? |
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| 16:26:46 | barrywardell | yes, we haven't been able to obtain a data sheet |
| 16:27:15 | PaulJam | does someone know if the old devkit can still be used to compile rockbox for coldfire targets (h300)? |
| 16:27:49 | PaulPosition | Hey Barrywardell.. I was wondering, how come the recording on H10 works well enough but the battery and the scrollpad reading is noisy as hell? They use two different ADCs? |
| 16:28:04 | barrywardell | yes, they use different ADC's |
| 16:28:11 | PaulPosition | ah. |
| 16:28:20 | barrywardell | the ADC for the battery and scrollpad are inside the PP5020 |
| 16:28:28 | PaulPosition | Ohhh. I see, thanks. |
| 16:28:57 | PaulJam | i'm getting an error when trying to compile: cannot find -lgcc |
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| 16:31:47 | norbu | Genre9mp3: You said: linuxstb: It doesn't compile anymore with karim's patch, with or without the change. |
| 16:31:47 | norbu | But I just compiled with the idct_coldfire patch included, only the IBSS_ATTR removed?! |
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| 16:32:51 | linuxstb | Yes, the IBSS_ATTR puts variables in IRAM. We only have 48KB of IRAM available to plugins, so that was too much... |
| 16:33:03 | linuxstb | (now that libmad is using IRAM at the same time) |
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| 16:33:30 | norbu | Thus, removing the IBSS_ATTR allows compilation, does it also still help with speedup? |
| 16:33:45 | TCPMeta | anyone care to help me with my ipod? i installed rockbox on my 5g and the loader kinda loads up and frezzes |
| 16:33:54 | gantrixx | I have some files on my iAudio that can't be erased because they are corrupted. Does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 16:33:55 | Genre9mp3 | norbu: So you removed IBSS_ATTR completely and it compiled? |
| 16:34:01 | linuxstb | norbu: No, removing the IBSS_ATTR will slow it down... |
| 16:34:30 | norbu | Well, the question is whether it is still faster without the IBSS_ATTR then without the whole patch? |
| 16:35:19 | TCPMeta | anyone care to help me with my ipod? i installed rockbox on my 5g and the loader kinda loads up and frezzes, lastline is Toshiba MK8010GAH |
| 16:35:45 | PaulPosition | gantrixx - You'd need to do a scandisc (under windows) or a fsck under linux, or whatever the file system checks are named in your operating system, I think. |
| 16:36:05 | linuxstb | TCPMeta: Rockbox doesn't work on the 80GB 5.5g |
| 16:36:06 | gantrixx | is scandisc a command line program? |
| 16:36:07 | PaulPosition | TCPMeta - 80gb drive? Rockbox doesn't support them yet. |
| 16:36:16 | TCPMeta | damn |
| 16:36:25 | linuxstb | (as mentioned on the homepage....) |
| 16:36:31 | TCPMeta | chkdsk /r X: where X is the drive letter of your iPod. use that for checking the ipod disk |
| 16:36:31 | phrozen77 | ^^ |
| 16:36:46 | TCPMeta | so i can't partition the drive to 60 and use it then? |
| 16:36:53 | PaulPosition | gantrix: nope, in windows, right click the device's drive, select properties, then tool and there is scandisc.. |
| 16:37:02 | * | norbu running to the homepage and checking ... btw 80Gb are not supported at all or only on iPod5.5? (Thinking about putting it into my H340). |
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| 16:37:29 | habana | hi all |
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| 16:37:52 | linuxstb | TCPMeta: No. |
| 16:37:53 | phrozen77 | norbu: afaik, theres no 5g 80gb |
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| 16:38:20 | linuxstb | norbu: The "5.5g Video ipod with 80GB disk" is not supported. 80GB disks in general work... |
| 16:38:40 | TCPMeta | think ipod linux will work? |
| 16:38:41 | norbu | good, now I have to get a hand on one ... |
| 16:38:49 | linuxstb | TCPMeta: No, it doesn't. |
| 16:38:51 | phrozen77 | TCPMeta: nope |
| 16:39:42 | habana | can u exxplain me why patches are not added as far as they are done (as for keymaps mods) ? quality code ? hard to revert ? |
| 16:40:00 | TCPMeta | oh well, time to reflash and stick with a stock ipod |
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| 16:40:21 | habana | [not a criticisism, just question] |
| 16:40:28 | norbu | linuxstb: sorry to disturb again: So is the optimize patch without the IBSS_ATTR still faster than without the optimize patch at all? |
| 16:40:57 | linuxstb | I believe so, otherwise the rest of that code would be pointless... |
| 16:41:06 | gantrixx | ok I'm running the chkdsk /r i: |
| 16:41:18 | gantrixx | but all it does is report the problem? does it attempt a fix? |
| 16:42:07 | norbu | linuxstb: ok, thanks. |
| 16:42:13 | norbu | Angry: are you here? |
| 16:42:23 | Angry | Yes |
| 16:42:45 | Angry | You dont get the messages i send you over miranda^^ |
| 16:42:48 | norbu | About the cuesheet patch: Was it you who asked me to include it into the norbu build? |
| 16:43:18 | Angry | Yes it was me... but i didnt ask for... Already got them in my H10 build... it was just a hint for your builds |
| 16:43:55 | Angry | :) |
| 16:44:03 | norbu | Sorry, I must have missed your response. Ah, ok, I hoped you could try out a build with the patch. ANyway thanks for the hint. |
| 16:44:40 | norbu | I have a new build ready now, but my H300 is at home, so no testing, so no uploading before tomorrow. |
| 16:45:08 | Angry | I could sent you a working .cue file... just gotta change the relative path to the mp3 and the time markers |
| 16:46:02 | norbu | Ah, why not, yes send it to me. How? |
| 16:46:53 | Angry | email^^ |
| 16:47:14 | Angry | or wait |
| 16:47:15 | norbu | good, preining@logic.at, thanks. |
| 16:47:19 | topbloke | is rockbox getting .cue support? |
| 16:47:33 | norbu | or via file transfer in the irc, is this working? |
| 16:47:49 | PaulPosition | norbu - It works if both of you registered your nicknames. |
| 16:48:22 | norbu | PaulPosition: Umpf, aehm, not a big guy in irc. How do I check this? |
| 16:48:51 | norbu | topbloke: see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/6460 and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=CuesheetSupport |
| 16:49:03 | PaulPosition | norbu - I don't know what client you're using... |
| 16:49:49 | PaulPosition | norbu: But it goes bit like messaging some bot with your name and the password you wish to use.. |
| 16:49:51 | norbu | PaulPosition: gaim (2.0.0 or so) on linux |
| 16:50:40 | PaulPosition | norbu: then just re-messaging it once you log back in. Does gaim give you the 'traffic' window, with freenode's MotD and other informations when you log on? Tht's where you find name of the bot. |
| 16:50:56 | norbu | Normally yes. |
| 16:50:59 | topbloke | u do like /nickserv register pass email |
| 16:51:56 | norbu | topbloke: thanks, it was close to this, but nickserv answered me what to do. |
| 16:52:07 | Angry | emailed^^ |
| 16:52:22 | norbu | Angry: thanks |
| 16:52:40 | norbu | nick norbusan |
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| 16:56:11 | topbloke | it maybe email pass |
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| 16:56:18 | topbloke | i do always get that wrong |
| 16:56:34 | norbusan | Back, thanks, seem to work. |
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| 16:58:14 | norbusan | Hmm |
| 16:58:30 | norbusan | topbloke: nickserv tells me: (notice) If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> |
| 16:58:49 | topbloke | oh |
| 16:58:53 | topbloke | so you have a pass |
| 16:59:03 | norbusan | but i entered my password in the gaim chat dialog, so it should be there. |
| 16:59:46 | norbusan | topbloke: after msg the nickserv ... ah anyway, this is not the place to discuss this. Thanks anyway. |
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| 17:00:41 | bluebrother | norbusan: freenode.net also has a nice description of the registration stuff |
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| 17:04:24 | muesli__ | is there a way to find out if a mp3 was encoded with lame`? |
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| 17:04:59 | crwl | i guess that any even remotely recent LAME version adds some metadata that identifies the encoder version |
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| 17:16:15 | barrywardell | linuxstb: what do you think about this: barrywardell.net/assets/files/usb_debug.patch">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/usb_debug.patch |
| 17:16:28 | barrywardell | it adds a usb debug screen |
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| 17:23:34 | barrywardell | nls_web: i tried your updated patch, but line edit mode doesn't seem to be working yet:( |
| 17:24:16 | amiconn | muesli__: Yes, lame adds a special 'lame tag' that indicates the exact version and some other things |
| 17:24:44 | amiconn | A tool for figuring out the encoder used to produce an mp3 file is encspot, http://www.guerillasoft.co.uk/encspot/index.html |
| 17:24:58 | muesli__ | kewl, im gonna check it |
| 17:24:59 | muesli__ | thx |
| 17:25:02 | amiconn | Not open source, but freeware |
| 17:26:10 | Genre9mp3 | [B]I just managed to playback video with sound on my h300 @ 25fps[/B] [FONT=really really small]with a 112x80 video :P[FONT] |
| 17:31:50 | barrywardell | nls_web: actually, it is working. i must have been still using the first patch |
| 17:32:21 | * | bluebrother notices the deprecated font tag :o |
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| 17:33:18 | Genre9mp3 | whooops... :) |
| 17:33:54 | muesli__ | FhG (fastenc or mp3enc) doesnst sound like lame :-/ |
| 17:34:14 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Does it show anything interesting? |
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| 17:37:14 | Genre9mp3 | Does setting the dircache stack size higher affects anything in a negative way? |
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| 17:37:46 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: It uses a little more RAM... Did that fix your dircache stkov errors? |
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| 17:39:29 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Yes, it did |
| 17:39:44 | Genre9mp3 | at least it seems to be so far |
| 17:39:47 | barrywardell | linuxstb: some things. it shows whether the port is in low power suspend, if interrupts are enabled,... |
| 17:39:58 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Can you go into the debug menu, and go to "view os stacks"? What is displayed for dircache? |
| 17:40:15 | linuxstb | And what did you increase the stack to? |
| 17:41:51 | linuxstb | barrywardell: And is it in a low-power mode? |
| 17:42:19 | barrywardell | it is on the h10 anyway |
| 17:42:24 | Genre9mp3 | I increased it from 0x800 to 0x1000 (didn't actually test 0x900) and now it says B 8 dircache: 61% |
| 17:44:02 | linuxstb | You mean you changed the "+ 0x800" to "+0x1000" ? |
| 17:44:16 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
| 17:45:37 | Genre9mp3 | the weird thing is that before, I didn't _always_ get PANIC stkov, it was just happening sometimes |
| 17:45:42 | PaulPosition | Maybe people soon buy rockbox-usable (read not DRMed) music from majors? - http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=ousiv&storyid=2007-01-02T095330Z_01_N02295773_RTRUKOC_0_US-DIGITAL.xml&from=business |
| 17:46:12 | linuxstb | You mean buy a CD? |
| 17:46:31 | puetzk | Genre9mp3, I've had that happen twice now too |
| 17:46:34 | PaulPosition | linuxstb - That's the other possibility, right. |
| 17:47:24 | PaulPosition | (I found it interresting that the majors are now trying to "kill" iTunes and they'd remove DRM if it's what it takes to pull the carpet from under apple's feets) |
| 17:47:59 | PaulPosition | But sorry for veering quite offtopic-ish. |
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| 17:48:03 | Genre9mp3 | puetzk: Other people at MR reported this, too |
| 17:48:40 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: You nearly doubled (!) stack size with your change |
| 17:48:41 | Moos | Hi there, and happy holydays, happy new year.... ! |
| 17:48:49 | amiconn | 0x1000 == 2 * 0x800 |
| 17:49:31 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: ouch, what you would suggest I do? |
| 17:49:32 | amiconn | DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE == 0x400, so the dircache stack was 3KB before, and now you have 5KB |
| 17:50:04 | amiconn | But if you observe 61% usage now, that means 3KB was only a tiny bit too small |
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| 17:50:32 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 17:50:41 | Moos | hello |
| 17:50:54 | amiconn | I'd try 3.5KB (or maybe 4KB), i.e. DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + 0xA00 or DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + 0xC00 |
| 17:51:16 | Jungti1234 | Moos, long time no see :) |
| 17:51:21 | preglow | why not hardcode the size instead of depending on DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE having the value it currently has? |
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| 17:51:34 | amiconn | Hmm, good question |
| 17:51:39 | linuxstb | I was wondering that as well recently... |
| 17:51:43 | Moos | Jungti123: hehe, right, happy new year... :) |
| 17:51:49 | petur | Genre9mp3: I've had a dircache stkov last week too |
| 17:51:58 | petur | gotta go now... |
| 17:52:01 | amiconn | Many threads do it that way... |
| 17:52:02 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: oh.... I should start thinking in hex more often :) |
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| 17:52:05 | Moos | petur; just yesterday here :( |
| 17:52:11 | preglow | amiconn: most |
| 17:52:12 | Moos | oops |
| 17:52:17 | preglow | but i don't see the point |
| 17:52:20 | linuxstb | But probably only becuase the first one did... |
| 17:52:39 | linuxstb | and subsequent developers copy and paste... |
| 17:53:45 | Jungti1234 | don't exist test video for h300? |
| 17:54:13 | linuxstb | http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ |
| 17:54:23 | Jungti1234 | yes, I know |
| 17:54:31 | Jungti1234 | but.. which file? |
| 17:55:06 | Jungti1234 | 224x176? |
| 17:55:15 | linuxstb | 224x176 (4:3 aspect ratio) or 224x128 (16:9). |
| 17:55:24 | Jungti1234 | ah, thenks |
| 17:55:28 | Jungti1234 | thanks |
| 17:55:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: Will there be widescreen versions for iPod video and nano and the X5 as well? |
| 17:55:32 | linuxstb | But they are 24fps, so won't play in realtime. |
| 17:55:47 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 17:55:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I'll do them all again. I'm just waiting for Bagder... |
| 17:56:00 | * | amiconn pings Bagder |
| 17:56:28 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: you use mencoder you said? |
| 17:56:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: If there's one you want in particular, I'll upload it to my webspace. |
| 17:57:33 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: I used mpeg2enc for the Elephants Dream encodes. But I've used mencoder for other videos. |
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| 17:58:26 | Genre9mp3 | I should try this mpeg2enc, it seems that it produces less heavy mpgs |
| 17:58:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is there a special reason for the separate audio thread? |
| 17:58:44 | amiconn | (like better button handling, buffering etc) |
| 17:59:25 | linuxstb | The practical reason is that it needs a bigger stack than the main thread.... |
| 17:59:41 | amiconn | Really? |
| 17:59:54 | amiconn | I thought the main thread is the one with the biggest stack... |
| 17:59:58 | amiconn | 8KB |
| 17:59:59 | linuxstb | Yes, codec thread is bigger than the main stack... |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:18 | * | linuxstb double-checks... |
| 18:00:41 | linuxstb | Codec stack is 0x2400 bytes. |
| 18:00:59 | amiconn | 9KB |
| 18:01:07 | amiconn | hmm |
| 18:01:10 | linuxstb | And libmad overflows the main stack... |
| 18:02:18 | linuxstb | I haven't put that much thought into the various threads in mpegplayer, or how they should communicate with each other yet, so everything is subject to change. |
| 18:02:20 | amiconn | Hmm. You put a big buffer on the main stack in plugin_start() |
| 18:02:35 | linuxstb | Yes, to use the otherwise unused IRAM... |
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| 18:04:01 | Jungti1234 | Moos: yep, happy new year :) |
| 18:04:26 | Jungti1234 | bye everybody |
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| 18:11:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: An X5 widescreen version (160x96) would be interesting for me |
| 18:11:27 | linuxstb | OK. |
| 18:12:15 | amiconn | Video with audio works now on X5, but video skips like mad |
| 18:12:34 | amiconn | Can't tell whether video and audio stay synchronous or not |
| 18:12:45 | linuxstb | What FPS do you get if you disable the limit fps and frameskip? |
| 18:13:23 | linuxstb | There's no attempt at a/v sync yet, but error should stay more or less constant... |
| 18:13:54 | amiconn | fps vary a lot across elephantsdream |
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| 18:15:51 | amiconn | Starts at about 17.5, goes beyound 18.0, decreases to around 17.0 |
| 18:16:18 | amiconn | (fullscreen version on X5) |
| 18:16:45 | amiconn | More complex parts can make it go below 16.0 |
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| 18:19:38 | amiconn | On H300 a fullscreen version starts at around 10 fps ... |
| 18:20:23 | Genre9mp3 | ends up at 10.9fps here |
| 18:21:18 | amiconn | At least it seems that audio decoding doesn't cause such a dramatic drop in framerate as it does on ipod (without dual core operation) |
| 18:21:59 | linuxstb | My webspace became full, but here is the first 28MB or so of the 160x96 version: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/elephantsdream-q6-160x96-212kbps.mpg |
| 18:22:33 | amiconn | You can take down the 160x128 version if you haven't already done so |
| 18:22:48 | amiconn | I could even put some versions on my webspace temporarily |
| 18:23:27 | linuxstb | I still need bagder to transfer them, so if you could move the 160x128 to your space, I can delete it. |
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| 18:24:41 | linuxstb | I'm now re-uploading the 128x96 version, seems my server doesn't support resume... |
| 18:24:48 | linuxstb | I mean 160x96 |
| 18:25:05 | linuxstb | And I've deleted 160x128 |
| 18:25:57 | linuxstb | ETA about 8 minutes... |
| 18:25:58 | amiconn | Gah, firefox hung completely :/ |
| 18:27:28 | Angry | By the way for the iriver H10 its 128x70 but thats not really important |
| 18:28:29 | Genre9mp3 | Angry: You can't really create an 128x70 mpg file... mpeg uses 16x16 blocks |
| 18:28:40 | Angry | Yep |
| 18:28:48 | Genre9mp3 | eg. it can be 128x80 |
| 18:28:55 | Angry | ups i meant 128x96 |
| 18:29:11 | Angry | ^^ |
| 18:32:56 | Angry | Checked now my settings: 4:3 ->128x96, 16:9 -> 128x80 |
| 18:34:41 | linuxstb | amiconn: 160x96 is now fully uploaded - 31803392 bytes. |
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| 18:48:36 | amiconn | Gah, my provider is having problems |
| 18:49:09 | Febs | It looks like the daily builds of the manual haven't been updated since December 22. |
| 18:49:18 | amiconn | http status 503 |
| 18:49:21 | pixelma | maybe I could host it (for a while) |
| 18:50:18 | linuxstb | amiconn: It's downloading OK for me. |
| 18:50:32 | amiconn | _my_ provider |
| 18:50:39 | amiconn | I wanted to upload the files there |
| 18:51:06 | linuxstb | Ah, I thought you meant your ISP, meaning you couldn't download... |
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| 18:52:25 | amiconn | I already downloaded it, and it's playing fine |
| 18:53:01 | amiconn | Starts at around 21 fps on X5, top value is even slightly above 24 fps, but also goes down below 20fps later |
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| 18:55:52 | amiconn | Ok, uploading now, but it will take quite a while |
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| 19:00:43 | lamed | hey guys, is there any differences between a normal usb cable and the usbotg h340 cable? I'm using the original player's usb <> computer cable connected to female <> female usb adapter connected to a supported camera usb cable... and it's not working, the camera won't go into usb mode. (fw version 1.29K) |
| 19:01:25 | amiconn | The usbotg cable has a special mini-AB connector |
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| 19:02:03 | amiconn | Plugging a standard mini-B plug into the socket won't switch the iriver into host mode afaiu |
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| 19:02:16 | Wiwie | hello |
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| 19:04:04 | Wiwie | is someone aboard, who can explain how to install the bootloader? |
| 19:04:23 | bluebrother | Wiwie, the manual can explain it :) |
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| 19:04:47 | Wiwie | in the manual the section "installation boot loader" is empty, isn't it? |
| 19:05:21 | bluebrother | not for me. But that depends on the manual ... which device you are referring to? |
| 19:05:44 | lamed | amiconn: do you think they weired the usb cable differently? the original cable fits in both connectors (what seems to be) perfectly! |
| 19:05:44 | Wiwie | i see, my device is a gigabeat f |
| 19:05:55 | bluebrother | ah. |
| 19:06:26 | amiconn | lamed: The mini-AB socket is constructed in a way that allows to plug both a standard mini-B and a mini-AB plug |
| 19:06:47 | bluebrother | the gigabeat manual is missing mostly everything ;-) |
| 19:06:51 | Wiwie | lol |
| 19:07:00 | bluebrother | I don't know how it works, you might want to ask in #gigabeat |
| 19:07:11 | Wiwie | thanks for the info ;) |
| 19:07:16 | bluebrother | the gigabeat manual has only brought up to a state where it can get build |
| 19:07:29 | bluebrother | but the missing specific stuff hasn't been added yet. |
| 19:07:40 | bluebrother | feel free to submit a patch for missing stuff :) |
| 19:07:56 | Febs | Not only that, but it appears that the builds of the manuals haven't been updated since 22 December. |
| 19:08:21 | bluebrother | I guess this comes in line with the daily builds being broken currently |
| 19:08:56 | Wiwie | the current manual is of second of january |
| 19:09:05 | GodEater | amiconn: are you uploading to download.rockbox.org ? |
| 19:09:05 | Wiwie | oh no |
| 19:09:21 | Wiwie | you're right :P |
| 19:09:25 | * | GodEater has access to a colo'd machine on a dual 300MB backbone to the 'net |
| 19:09:32 | amiconn | GodEater: No, as I don't have access to it |
| 19:09:37 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 19:09:38 | GodEater | nevermind then :) |
| 19:10:16 | GodEater | did you get a chance to look through that email at all ? |
| 19:10:19 | pixelma | oh the Ipod Mini manual just includes the "getting started" and "installation" chapter (at least the online version) |
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| 19:10:42 | Genre9mp3 | there should be more devs with access to download.rockbox.org IMO |
| 19:11:13 | * | bluebrother checks building the mini manual |
| 19:11:35 | bluebrother | yeah, it's broken. |
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| 19:11:45 | pixelma | and the html version of it is missing completely |
| 19:12:00 | pixelma | err... pdf |
| 19:12:42 | lamed | tt amiconn, for the record, http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=1618 has some answers |
| 19:12:48 | Febs | If it stops at the Installation chapter then it's possible (likely) that I broke it when updating the installation instructions. |
| 19:17:12 | Febs | Indeed I did. |
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| 19:19:57 | bluebrother | you did. Unfortunately this seems to be a bit more tricky than I first thought. |
| 19:27:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: (and others) I've now uploaded the X5 versions of elephants dream here: http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/mpeg/ |
| 19:27:42 | Febs | I fixed it. |
| 19:27:52 | amiconn | Had to make a tiny index.html b/c the provider doesn't allow directory listings :/ |
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| 19:28:38 | Febs | Though if you have any suggestions for how to reflect the bootloader installation commands as \code without the blank lines caused by the \opt macros ... |
| 19:29:04 | GodEater | amiconn, how big are all the mpegs combined? I can chuck them on that colo of mine too if it'd help anyone ? |
| 19:29:06 | bluebrother | I'm working on it. |
| 19:29:22 | bluebrother | the problem is that there is an unbalanced environment |
| 19:29:35 | bluebrother | i.e. the code environment gets closed from inside opt. |
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| 19:30:57 | Febs | Well, I just removed that and substituted a note for mini 2g users to replace "1g" with "2g." |
| 19:30:58 | * | GodEater grabs them anyway |
| 19:31:45 | bluebrother | also, you need to use optv when there is something with verb (which is used by code) inside. Otherwise it may break |
| 19:31:53 | bluebrother | strange it only broke for the mini |
| 19:33:05 | bluebrother | add comments signs at the end of an opt command to remove the added line breaks |
| 19:33:35 | funky | I got my ipod (5th gen.) with rockbox some months ago (maybe 3 or 4), there have been some power consumption enhancenments since then? |
| 19:33:39 | Febs | I tried that and it didn't seem to work. |
| 19:34:05 | linuxstb | GodEater: I have a few here waiting to be moved to download.rockbox.org as well: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpeg.html |
| 19:34:40 | funky | I dont like the idea that the battery life will be the half if I still use rockbox |
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| 19:35:33 | funky | I need the the double of charging cycle to get the ibook on the same tiem |
| 19:35:35 | funky | time* |
| 19:35:45 | funky | ipod* |
| 19:35:52 | bluebrother | urgh. Were the blank lines present before? |
| 19:35:57 | Febs | bluebrother: yes. |
| 19:36:35 | bluebrother | ok, then we need to do this a bit different. Unfortunately that makes it a bit less readable |
| 19:36:37 | Febs | I guess one way to avoid it would to do something like this: \opt{ipodvideo}{\code{insertCodeHere}} |
| 19:36:57 | Febs | whoops |
| 19:37:03 | amiconn | linuxstb: You can take down the 160x96 version. I could host a few more, but not too many |
| 19:37:13 | amiconn | This webspace is limited to 200MB |
| 19:37:30 | Febs | Would need to \begin and \end code in each \opt. |
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| 19:37:35 | linuxstb | Same as mine... With the ones already on download.rockbox.org, I don't think there are many left now. |
| 19:38:09 | amiconn | Widescreen for ipod video and h10-small |
| 19:38:18 | amiconn | 128x128 is really odd... |
| 19:38:41 | bluebrother | how about just having one line with something like ipodpatcher <bootloader-file> and a not to replace that with the correct file name? |
| 19:38:45 | amiconn | Iirc the X5 version is also matching the h10-large lcd |
| 19:39:12 | linuxstb | I'll encode a 128x96 (4:3 ratio) one now. |
| 19:39:33 | Febs | That is the way linuxstb wrote the wiki page. It would certainly work. |
| 19:39:47 | amiconn | Widescreen would be between 128x80 and 128x64 |
| 19:40:33 | Febs | I thought it would be more user-friendly (i.e., idiot-proof) if the manual contained the verbatim command that the user has to type. |
| 19:41:18 | linuxstb | Would a \bootloadername macro help? |
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| 19:42:06 | bluebrother | yeah, that's an idea. |
| 19:42:21 | bluebrother | could be locally to ipod-installation.tex |
| 19:42:45 | Febs | That makes sense. |
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| 19:44:25 | Febs | Is the bootloader command case sensitive? |
| 19:44:40 | Llorean | barrywardell: The debug USB screen patch: Did you post it to share progress or did you want some sort of tested output on any specific targets? |
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| 19:44:43 | linuxstb | Depends on the filesystem... |
| 19:44:57 | linuxstb | But the "-whatever" part is. |
| 19:45:15 | barrywardell | Llorean: A bit of both. I posted it in case anyone would find it useful |
| 19:45:22 | Llorean | Ah. |
| 19:45:41 | barrywardell | I wasn't sure if it was worth adding 4kb to the binary size by adding it to cvs |
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| 19:46:03 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I bought an "ipod camera connector" (basically a dock->USB A socket) the other day, so I'll try it with that. |
| 19:46:21 | bluebrother | ok, works fine. We only need an additional line for the mini |
| 19:46:43 | bluebrother | btw, what's the difference between mini 1g and 2g to require a different bootloader? |
| 19:46:44 | barrywardell | linuxstb: would be interesting to seem how much it does without a driver... |
| 19:46:53 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Maybe make a USB test plugin, similar to testfps (i.e. in cvs, but not SOURCES). |
| 19:47:28 | * | Llorean has two PP502x targets so is looking forward to USB progress. |
| 19:47:52 | Llorean | A USB test plugin sounds good. |
| 19:47:59 | * | barrywardell agrees |
| 19:48:01 | Llorean | Or something in CVS but only in (D) builds. |
| 19:48:28 | barrywardell | i'll start with one that just has that debug info |
| 19:48:45 | * | barrywardell starts looking at how to make a plugin |
| 19:48:54 | amiconn | bluebrother: The lcd hookup is different between mini G1 and G2 |
| 19:49:03 | linuxstb | barrywardell: helloworld.c is the place to start. |
| 19:49:12 | bluebrother | ah. Thanks :) |
| 19:49:14 | barrywardell | i'll look at that, thanks |
| 19:50:59 | bluebrother | btw, we could also introduce a \download macro that expands to http://download.rockbox.org/<whateverisargument> |
| 19:51:54 | bluebrother | together with the \bootloaderfile the download list gets reduced to one line :) |
| 19:52:39 | GodEater | linuxstb, wow - your host is well plugged :) I'm getting 8Meg a second :) |
| 19:52:50 | GodEater | hahah - whole lot done in 18 seconds |
| 19:53:09 | preglow | how the hell did mrh find out that the mx31 datasheet matched :> |
| 19:53:33 | Llorean | Luck guess? |
| 19:53:58 | amiconn | Black magic... |
| 19:54:11 | linuxstb | GodEater: Nice... I'll have some more in about 20 minutes or so. |
| 19:54:24 | GodEater | I can leave them hosted there if people prefer |
| 19:54:33 | GodEater | and someone can just point the links to them on the rockbox site |
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| 19:55:48 | preglow | i'll go for amiconn's guess |
| 19:55:53 | preglow | altogether more probable |
| 19:57:35 | barrywardell | he found a datasheet and linux driver! |
| 19:57:45 | barrywardell | and a datasheet that matched the dac |
| 19:58:18 | linuxstb | GodEater: See what Bagder says. But I think download.rockbox.org has plenty of space and bandwidth. |
| 19:59:04 | GodEater | ok :) |
| 19:59:15 | linuxstb | So no IPL devs have implemented USB yet? |
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| 20:01:21 | barrywardell | no. dan_a suggested trying the driver to them. dunno if anyone picked it up |
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| 20:01:27 | linuxstb | Nice quote from forums.ilounge.com - "I'm starting to realize the whole video support will be worthless if they don't utilize AVI because that's mainly what I have in my video collection"... |
| 20:01:49 | | Quit netmasta10bt (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 20:02:18 | GodEater | godeater.cream.org/rockbox/mpeg/ |
| 20:02:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: I saw that one. I assume an implied "For me" after the worthless, but still, yea |
| 20:03:08 | | Quit barrywardell () |
| 20:03:30 | linuxstb | But people will always complain, there are too many video formats out there... |
| 20:03:44 | bluebrother | Febs, got to go now. Have a look here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/18 |
| 20:04:01 | GodEater | does MrH have some sort of web site? Where are you guys reading this ? |
| 20:04:04 | bluebrother | if there aren't any objections I'll submit this later |
| 20:04:31 | linuxstb | GodEater: He exchanges brown envelopes with Bagder on park benches... |
| 20:04:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: "What, no 1080p output?" |
| 20:04:36 | GodEater | hahahaha |
| 20:04:39 | Genre9mp3 | LOL |
| 20:04:45 | goffa | yeah... we only need to get about 50 video codecs working before 40% of the people will be happy :) |
| 20:05:26 | GodEater | Llorean, thanks for my badge :) |
| 20:05:38 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: That was an extra-classic quote! :) |
| 20:06:21 | GodEater | funny - but if it's even halfway true it's a sad state of affairs |
| 20:06:42 | puetzk | goffa, luckily you picked the right one for me :-) |
| 20:06:53 | goffa | he he he... wasn't me that did it |
| 20:07:01 | goffa | thanks linuxstb |
| 20:07:10 | puetzk | since mpeg2 PS is what mythtv and an ivtv card likes to produce |
| 20:07:26 | goffa | has to be the most common |
| 20:08:27 | puetzk | codecs are such a mess :-P |
| 20:08:30 | goffa | yep |
| 20:08:40 | goffa | bad enough keeping the audio ones straight |
| 20:10:04 | Febs | bluebrother: looks good to me. |
| 20:10:23 | linuxstb | Has anyone tried the audio version of mpegplayer on the gigabeat without the limit FPS option? |
| 20:10:40 | linuxstb | I'm curious how many FPS it can achieve with sound. |
| 20:10:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: I seem to recall hearing the number 55 floated, but I don't know if that's with or without sound. |
| 20:10:57 | linuxstb | Should give us an idea if more processor-intensive codecs are feasible. |
| 20:11:10 | linuxstb | That was the old number without sound IIRC. |
| 20:11:48 | Genre9mp3 | yes... it was 55 fps with an 320x144 video |
| 20:11:52 | GodEater | anyone care to tell me if they get a decent download rate of any of the files from here : godeater.cream.org/rockbox/mpeg/">http://godeater.cream.org/rockbox/mpeg/ |
| 20:11:55 | GodEater | ? |
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| 20:12:36 | Genre9mp3 | just found it in the logs: "<markun> we had to disable some ARM assembly and now my 144x320 test movie runs at 55fps" |
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| 20:13:04 | GodEater | I'd say that was more than passable :) |
| 20:14:21 | linuxstb | But that's without audio, and not full-screen... |
| 20:16:48 | Genre9mp3 | I would expect 33fps without sound fullscreen (320x240) |
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| 20:23:31 | GodEater | linuxstb, I've got the latest two from your site too |
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| 20:32:04 | linuxstb | GodEater: You may have been too early for the second one - they should be 30140416 and 63582208 bytes. |
| 20:32:08 | GodEater | ls -l |
| 20:32:11 | GodEater | oops :) |
| 20:32:20 | GodEater | ah yes |
| 20:32:27 | GodEater | I was wondering why it was so small for such hi res |
| 20:33:40 | GodEater | that's more like it |
| 20:34:02 | GodEater | and I've turned on Options +Indexes so I don't need the damn html file and all the inherent risks of my fat fingers making typos now :) |
| 20:34:46 | GodEater | amiconn, if you provider runs Apache, you should be able to do the same - just drop "Options +Indexes" into a .htaccess file |
| 20:34:51 | GodEater | s/you/your |
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| 20:35:24 | linuxstb | GodEater: We can't see the filenames now though... |
| 20:36:01 | GodEater | erm - I'll see if I can fix that |
| 20:36:02 | linuxstb | And you have a .mpg.1 file... |
| 20:36:06 | GodEater | gimme a sec tho - dinner just arrived |
| 20:36:14 | GodEater | they're there if you hover over them in the meantime |
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| 20:38:10 | Digamma | Is there any sort of official manual for installing rockbox on a Sansa e200; or will I have to find a homebrew one...? |
| 20:40:12 | bluebrother | the manual hasn't been adjusted for the sansa yet. |
| 20:40:31 | bluebrother | but I guess it's similar to other non-ipod portalplayer devices |
| 20:40:56 | Juice^ | Digamma. there is a guide on the forum.. its quite simple. but be careful..... |
| 20:41:08 | Juice^ | not an "official" guide |
| 20:41:22 | Digamma | Can you possibly link me to it, I dont mind the non-official stuff |
| 20:42:18 | Juice^ | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.msg61275#msg61275 |
| 20:42:22 | Juice^ | in that topic |
| 20:42:33 | Juice^ | its atleast on that page |
| 20:42:43 | Juice^ | im running rockbox on my sansa |
| 20:42:52 | Juice^ | but you know that there is no sound right |
| 20:43:05 | Digamma | I know |
| 20:43:20 | Digamma | I would like to be able to run Rockbox, and be able to dual boot |
| 20:44:50 | Digamma | Thank you very much Juice^ |
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| 20:49:22 | GodEater | ok - the .1 file is gone |
| 20:50:23 | Olav | Anybody here? |
| 20:50:37 | maquis | Olav: nope |
| 20:51:10 | Olav | I just wanna know if there is a RockBox firmware for Creative Zen MicroPhoto |
| 20:51:21 | linuxstb | Olav: No, and no-one is working on it. |
| 20:51:38 | Olav | Ok! |
| 20:52:02 | linuxstb | Unless you are... |
| 20:52:18 | Olav | No. Don't got the skills. |
| 20:52:33 | linuxstb | GodEater: OK, thanks. |
| 20:54:01 | GodEater | linuxstb, file name widths are sorted now too |
| 20:54:16 | GodEater | I just gave myself a lightning refresher course in .htaccess files :) |
| 20:54:21 | linuxstb | How did you fix it? |
| 20:54:33 | linuxstb | (I'm sure I'll forget by the time i need it though...) |
| 20:54:36 | GodEater | IndexOptions NameWidth=* |
| 20:54:50 | GodEater | when you use * it automatically sets the name width to the longest filename |
| 20:55:01 | GodEater | although you can specify a hard value if you prefer |
| 20:55:30 | GodEater | if you encode any more give me a shout and I'll put them there too |
| 20:56:28 | linuxstb | I think that's them all now. Unless I encode a 128x??? 16:9 version... |
| 20:56:38 | GodEater | for player X |
| 20:56:52 | linuxstb | For the H10 5/6GB. |
| 20:56:55 | linuxstb | 128x128 LCD. |
| 20:56:57 | GodEater | ah |
| 20:57:33 | * | GodEater is having to tolerate the weird noises from his g/f's shiny new Nintendo DS that's being played at full volume next to his left ear |
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| 21:00:46 | Digamma | Juice^, are you still there? |
| 21:01:36 | Digamma | Is there anyone here who can clarify something small with the Sansa e200 rockbox installation? |
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| 21:05:21 | Digamma | Never mind me; I just figured it out |
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| 21:08:21 | ed_ | anyone got rockbox working on ipod nano 2nd gen? |
| 21:08:34 | linuxstb | No |
| 21:09:38 | ed_ | :-( that makes me sad. anything i can do to help? |
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| 21:10:48 | linuxstb | Crack Apple's firmware encrytion, reverse-engineer the hardware... |
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| 21:11:22 | GodEater | ed_, or bribe someone at apple of break their NDA and give us the specs |
| 21:11:28 | GodEater | s/of/to |
| 21:11:32 | thegeek | linuxstb: is the encryption on the new nano the same as the encryption used in the firmware image for the 5.5g? |
| 21:11:56 | GodEater | the 5.5g firmware image isn't encrypted |
| 21:12:02 | linuxstb | I don't know. |
| 21:12:07 | thegeek | not the osos |
| 21:12:09 | ed_ | GodEater, oh i see it's that sort of show stopper... is there anything i can do with the nano besides use the apple software? |
| 21:12:15 | thegeek | but I thought the other part is? |
| 21:12:19 | thegeek | the flash firmware |
| 21:12:19 | GodEater | the AUPD is |
| 21:12:20 | | Part juxtap |
| 21:12:21 | linuxstb | ed_; Sell it? |
| 21:12:32 | GodEater | but we wouldn't know if it's the same encryption or not |
| 21:12:38 | thegeek | the aupd encryption is broken? |
| 21:12:40 | thegeek | ah ok |
| 21:12:43 | GodEater | all we can see if gobeldigook |
| 21:13:05 | thegeek | I just played around with the osos in ida pro last night |
| 21:13:07 | thegeek | ;P |
| 21:13:13 | GodEater | if we could see a pattern of similarity then we'd be hafway to cracking it |
| 21:13:17 | thegeek | lots of references to encryption blobs and keys;P |
| 21:13:20 | thegeek | mhm |
| 21:13:25 | GodEater | lord my typing sucks |
| 21:13:33 | GodEater | damn laptop keyboards |
| 21:13:45 | thegeek | I mish my natural 4000 keyboard too;P |
| 21:13:47 | thegeek | ouch |
| 21:13:48 | thegeek | miss |
| 21:14:10 | thegeek | I going home soon just because my laptop is driving me crazy;P |
| 21:14:13 | thegeek | I'm* |
| 21:15:09 | thegeek | do we know if the ipod updates flash the aupd as it is |
| 21:15:15 | thegeek | or does it decrypt it first? |
| 21:15:29 | GodEater | I imagine it decrypts it first |
| 21:15:32 | thegeek | in other words, is the data on the flash chip encrypted or not |
| 21:15:41 | thegeek | it could be decrypted at runtime |
| 21:16:01 | GodEater | it could - but then there'd have to be a bit of the boot routine which is never updated |
| 21:16:04 | GodEater | to hold the decryption routine |
| 21:16:07 | thegeek | yep |
| 21:16:53 | GodEater | I'm not sure how that helps us though |
| 21:16:56 | GodEater | if indeed it does |
| 21:16:57 | linuxstb | On the ipods before the 2nd gen Nano, the flash contents isn't encrypted. We can dump it from Rockbox. |
| 21:17:11 | GodEater | that's what I thought |
| 21:17:26 | thegeek | if the encryption is the same |
| 21:17:39 | thegeek | it should be possible to reverse the algo from the osos flashing routine |
| 21:17:56 | thegeek | however, that is a big if;P |
| 21:18:02 | * | goffa had a ms 4k.. but ended up getting a logitech wireless ergo when i got the new monitor |
| 21:18:14 | goffa | so i have the option of sitting in the recliner |
| 21:18:19 | thegeek | goffa: why?, the 4k rocks |
| 21:18:19 | thegeek | ah |
| 21:18:20 | GodEater | thegeek, good luck with that :) |
| 21:18:24 | thegeek | hehehehe |
| 21:18:36 | thegeek | I dont even have a nano |
| 21:18:54 | goffa | 4k rocks.. but cord doesn't reach to the recliner :) |
| 21:19:07 | GodEater | well if the forums are to be believed you have plenty of victi^H^H^H^H^H volunteers to test your decryption with |
| 21:19:13 | thegeek | hehehehehe |
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| 21:19:46 | thegeek | sure, I'll be know as the guy that bricked all the nano's ;P |
| 21:19:47 | GodEater | so you don't need to own one |
| 21:19:50 | thegeek | hehe |
| 21:20:02 | thegeek | but meh |
| 21:20:09 | GodEater | hey - none of those people said they wanted their nano's to work again afterwards |
| 21:20:17 | thegeek | ;P |
| 21:20:22 | GodEater | I even looked to check :) |
| 21:20:36 | puetzk | "brick" may be the wrong word. I thought this was "rock" box? |
| 21:20:54 | thegeek | a rock that does not rock is a brick |
| 21:21:00 | Digamma | Haveing already installed Rockbox, and it works. How do I upgrade to the latest CVS version...? |
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| 21:21:28 | goffa | look at the shape of the player.. that's where the name brick comes from |
| 21:21:44 | goffa | kinda like a crappy computer is a boat anchor |
| 21:21:47 | goffa | hosed cd is a coaster |
| 21:21:48 | goffa | etc |
| 21:22:09 | puetzk | goffa, sure, sure. But I don't want to build a wall of nanos - too thin. They'd be better for skipping on a pond |
| 21:22:10 | GodEater | I've never seen a boat anchor in the shape of a PC |
| 21:22:21 | goffa | well there you go.. skipping stone :) |
| 21:23:02 | * | puetzk tries to figure out why his keymap hacking doesn't work |
| 21:24:14 | goffa | there was an update to keymap about a month back |
| 21:24:19 | goffa | dunno if that has anything to do with it |
| 21:24:27 | puetzk | trying to make it so pushing select while holding up/down does pageup/pagedown on an x5, but it persists in going to the context menu instead. |
| 21:24:34 | goffa | but i used to swap play and the navi button |
| 21:24:44 | puetzk | As this is my first attempt to hack the code, I am assuming it's still my fault :-) |
| 21:24:47 | goffa | x5 remote is touchy |
| 21:24:51 | puetzk | not remote |
| 21:24:56 | goffa | blah |
| 21:24:59 | goffa | retarded fingers |
| 21:25:02 | goffa | joystick |
| 21:25:21 | goffa | don't think that has anything to do with this laptop kb :P |
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| 21:26:19 | puetzk | ah, hadn't considered that it might be the sensor not doing what I want rather than the code |
| 21:26:25 | puetzk | but quite possible |
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| 21:26:52 | * | puetzk tries a different button combo to rule that out |
| 21:27:18 | goffa | yeah.. try 2 side buttons for testing purposes |
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| 21:29:08 | puetzk | prolly drop the whole idea if that's the cause though. Pushing down to say "scroll faster" seemed really ergonomic |
| 21:29:15 | amiconn | puetzk: The X5 cannot detect 2 of the standard buttons at once |
| 21:29:17 | puetzk | nope, doesn't work using play either |
| 21:29:30 | goffa | ah.. there you have it |
| 21:29:36 | puetzk | indeed |
| 21:29:57 | goffa | you can increase scroll speed |
| 21:29:57 | amiconn | The only button that is independent of the other 7 is the Power slider |
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| 21:37:11 | Digamma | I would like to thank any of the developers who took paty in making this awesome OS for my Mp3 player; I would like to thank you for the hours put into the dev process and the time spent for the sansa port, thank you VERY much |
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| 22:04:01 | tj2master | nearly 28.6 |
| 22:04:07 | tj2master | oops |
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| 22:07:03 | linuxstb | tj2master: I asked the question here (unlimited FPS on gigabeat) earlier, so it's helpful.... |
| 22:07:29 | tj2master | :) ok |
| 22:08:13 | linuxstb | Seems even the gigabeat might struggle with more complex video codecs then... |
| 22:08:41 | linuxstb | Although I don't think much (if any) optimisation has been done yet. |
| 22:09:29 | Ajaxinc | nope, no optimissation has been done |
| 22:10:03 | tj2master | can .avi be playable in the future |
| 22:10:20 | linuxstb | .avi can be anything... |
| 22:10:28 | puetzk | tj2master, with what inside? MPEG4? |
| 22:10:28 | linuxstb | It's just a generic container format. |
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| 22:11:22 | tj2master | sorry,i mean mpeg4 |
| 22:11:51 | linuxstb | Someone needs to port an mpeg4 codec before we can say. |
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| 22:12:22 | tsuyoshi | playable on what? |
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| 22:13:08 | tj2master | on rockbox |
| 22:13:33 | tsuyoshi | but what hardware? |
| 22:13:41 | tj2master | gigabeat |
| 22:14:12 | tsuyoshi | I think so |
| 22:14:35 | tsuyoshi | the processor looks like it would be fast enough |
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| 22:15:39 | tj2master | yes but does anyone work on mpeg4 codec.there is a work about that? |
| 22:16:06 | tsuyoshi | I intend to port mpeg4 just as soon as audio is working on my sansa |
| 22:16:34 | tsuyoshi | it shouldn't be difficult to port it |
| 22:16:57 | linuxstb | Which decoder? |
| 22:17:15 | tsuyoshi | ffmpeg probably |
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| 22:21:30 | [-BF42-W]Hyperbi | Hi! |
| 22:21:52 | [-BF42-W]Hyperbi | i doesnt understand the new Bootloader 4 IPOD |
| 22:22:17 | [-BF42-W]Hyperbi | if i push the "MENU"KEY within the old bootloader the apple firmware starts too..! |
| 22:22:26 | [-BF42-W]Hyperbi | can u explain it to me? |
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| 22:24:22 | bagawk | [-BF42-W]Hyperbi: I do not see what you want explained, please ask a complete question |
| 22:25:17 | Febs | [-BF42-W]Hyperbi: are you trying to boot the Apple firmware using the new Rockbox bootloader? |
| 22:25:34 | Febs | If so, turn on "hold" as the player boots. |
| 22:25:39 | [-BF42-W]Hyperbi | no ... |
| 22:25:49 | [-BF42-W]Hyperbi | is it now easyer? |
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| 22:26:39 | [-BF42-W]Hyperbi | i think i have to update the bootloader and test it ... |
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| 22:27:28 | [-BF42-W]Hyperbi | im a little bit afraid of it ... :/ (cause last times i alaway crashd my pod ^^) |
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| 22:30:06 | dionoea | howdy |
| 22:31:41 | bagawk | Hyperbit_01: well, if it works there is not much need to update it, but if you wish, yes it is easier now, just 2 commands if I remember |
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| 22:35:12 | Hyperbit_01 | i think i need a clean ipod without rockbox to update to new bootloader? |
| 22:35:43 | dionoea | i doubt it |
| 22:36:19 | Hyperbit_01 | ? |
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| 22:37:04 | Juice^ | tsuyoshi: interesting.. i'd love love you if you made the ffmpeg decoder work on the sansa after its having sound and all :):) |
| 22:37:37 | tsuyoshi | sansa is more difficult though |
| 22:38:05 | tsuyoshi | I think in order to get a decent framerate we need both processors decoding |
| 22:38:47 | Juice^ | its dualcore? |
| 22:39:09 | Juice^ | or two different |
| 22:39:15 | tsuyoshi | dual yeah |
| 22:39:22 | Juice^ | kool |
| 22:39:26 | Juice^ | i dont know too much about its hardware |
| 22:39:39 | puetzk | Hyperbit_01, I don't think so, but you do need to update rockbox and the bootloader at the same time |
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| 22:40:32 | Juice^ | tsuyoshi: i will do my best for adding wps themes for the sansa :) |
| 22:40:57 | tsuyoshi | Juice^: http://www.portalplayer.com/products/documents/5024_Brief_Mar05.pdf |
| 22:41:02 | tsuyoshi | that's what the sansa has |
| 22:41:13 | Hyperbit_01 | hmm hmm i cant find the applie firmware on apple.com |
| 22:41:33 | Hyperbit_01 | i think its the batter way with a new clean ipod firmware |
| 22:41:47 | dionoea | you're going to overwrite it anyway |
| 22:41:52 | dionoea | so you don't really care do you ? |
| 22:42:21 | linuxstb | What kind of ipod do you have, and what is installed on it already? |
| 22:42:46 | Juice^ | tsuyoshi, ok so its the cpu and the cop (arm7s) |
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| 22:44:35 | linuxstb | tsuyoshi: I don't think decoding on two cores will help - decoding on one core, and doing the yuv2rgb conversion, audio decoding and everything else on the other core should keep them both busy. |
| 22:44:50 | linuxstb | I mean video decoding. |
| 22:45:03 | tsuyoshi | maybe |
| 22:45:18 | tsuyoshi | that's still more complicated than a single processor though |
| 22:45:34 | dionoea | linuxstb: did you already start moving yuv2rgb on another core ? (does that mean that you'll need twice as many decoding buffers in IRAM ?) |
| 22:45:59 | linuxstb | No, we just need to take care to flush the cache. |
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| 22:46:35 | linuxstb | And no, I haven't started yet. That will come after the basic mpegplayer features are working (rebuffering, a/v sync, probably seeking). |
| 22:46:46 | dionoea | k |
| 22:47:36 | * | amiconn_ thinks an asm optimised lcd_yuv_blit() for arm would already help quite a bit |
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| 22:48:01 | linuxstb | Indeed. |
| 22:48:12 | linuxstb | But at the moment, I'm sure the main CPU is idle for a lot of the time... |
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| 22:48:20 | linuxstb | (on PP targets) |
| 22:48:35 | amiconn | I don't think that it's such a lot |
| 22:48:52 | amiconn | libmad doesn't seem to be nearly as efficient on arm as it is on coldfire |
| 22:50:52 | * | linuxstb pings Bagder again |
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| 22:53:12 | * | Bagder arrives |
| 22:53:37 | dionoea | that was fast ;) |
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| 22:54:24 | linuxstb | Welcome. |
| 22:54:42 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:55:01 | linuxstb | GodEater is currently hosting some more videos for download.rockbox.org - godeater.cream.org/rockbox/mpeg/">http://godeater.cream.org/rockbox/mpeg/ |
| 22:55:11 | linuxstb | He said he was happy to keep them there if you wanted. |
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| 22:57:08 | Bagder | well, I think it makes sense to have one place that have all the sample mpegs |
| 22:57:39 | Bagder | or more than one place... |
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| 22:58:56 | linuxstb | Yes, we could have two links to each file in the mpegplayer wiki page. |
| 22:59:25 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:03 | Bagder | I've considered offering download.rockbox.org via rsync to better allow mirrors of it |
| 23:00:36 | linuxstb | Are there any plans for www.rockbox.org? New server, new CPU? |
| 23:00:38 | dionoea | how much bandwidth do the rockbox downloads take ? |
| 23:01:04 | Bagder | dionoea: I think we're on like 200GB/month or so |
| 23:01:29 | Bagder | linuxstb: new server with dual opterons coming up within a few weeks |
| 23:01:30 | dionoea | ok. In case you need a mirror, feel free to ask |
| 23:01:37 | bluebrother | Bagder, I'm missing some cvs notifications. Is there something known to be broken with that? |
| 23:01:54 | linuxstb | Bagder: Nice. Will it be on the same connection? |
| 23:01:56 | Bagder | bluebrother: yeah, sendmail was acting funny earlier |
| 23:02:11 | bluebrother | ok, thanks. |
| 23:02:14 | Bagder | linuxstb: yes |
| 23:02:24 | * | bagawk spits at sendmail |
| 23:02:40 | Bagder | but when we move to svn we'll release some bandwidth from the www server |
| 23:03:00 | dionoea | like 20 MB ? :) |
| 23:03:07 | bluebrother | is there a date planned for the svn move? |
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| 23:03:15 | Bagder | we have quite intense cvs traffic |
| 23:03:21 | Bagder | and viewcvs |
| 23:03:36 | Bagder | bluebrother: I think we're aiming for next week still |
| 23:03:51 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 23:04:15 | Bagder | there's increased bandwidth for the www server planned too |
| 23:04:32 | Bagder | but that might still be several months away |
| 23:04:38 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:04:46 | dionoea | what do you have ATM ? 100 Mbits/sec ? |
| 23:04:47 | linuxstb | What server will be doing the builds? Will that be the svn server or www.rockbox.org? |
| 23:05:07 | Bagder | linuxstb: I'll move those to the svn server |
| 23:05:43 | Bagder | dionoea: the download one has one or more 100mbit, and the www one has 2mbit ;-) |
| 23:05:52 | dionoea | ouch :p |
| 23:06:19 | dionoea | so you're going to have 3 servers dedicated to rockbox ?!? or do they host other stuff too ? |
| 23:06:39 | Bagder | they host a lot of other stuff too |
| 23:06:51 | dionoea | curl ? |
| 23:07:10 | Bagder | curl is one of the other projects/sites, yes |
| 23:07:27 | Bagder | but the main curl web site is on yet another server... |
| 23:07:33 | dionoea | hehe |
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| 23:12:38 | Bagder | linuxstb: those 6 mpegs are now on download as well |
| 23:12:47 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
| 23:13:22 | bluebrother | Bagder, when I changed the download link in the manual for ipodpatcher I wondered why they aren't collected in a folder |
| 23:13:25 | * | Bagder used the documentary "the making of the elephants dream" as a test stream on his work-DTB thing |
| 23:13:56 | Bagder | bluebrother: just my sloppy copying, I could change it if you think it helps |
| 23:14:04 | bluebrother | like /bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/<hosttarget> |
| 23:14:37 | bluebrother | I just linked to /bootloader/ipod/ and trusted the users to find the correct subfolder. |
| 23:14:40 | linuxstb | The filenames are the same for different binaries... |
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| 23:15:06 | linuxstb | Ah, you mean ipodpatcher/<hosttarget>/ipodpatcher[.exe] ... |
| 23:15:07 | bluebrother | Experienced users shouldn't haven any problems with that, but maybe the non-experienced pc users? |
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| 23:15:38 | bluebrother | yes, currently I would need to write a different url for each host target. |
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| 23:15:55 | bluebrother | I want the users to think a _tiny_ bit ;-) |
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| 23:16:20 | Bagder | speaking of URLs, I now hopefully have made "static" URLs for daily builds |
| 23:16:27 | Bagder | for targets, fonts and source |
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| 23:16:41 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I think we need an ipodpatcher wiki page, so you could just link to that. |
| 23:16:55 | linuxstb | (describing the more advanced things ipodpatcher can do). |
| 23:17:00 | bluebrother | nice. |
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| 23:17:24 | Bagder | I'm afraid to explain how I messed up ;-) |
| 23:17:36 | Bagder | "cd build-dir; rm -rf *" |
| 23:17:46 | Bagder | but the build dir didn't exist... |
| 23:17:52 | linuxstb | Ouch... |
| 23:17:55 | bluebrother | hmm. I think it's better to link to some download server (but maybe additionally mention the wiki page) |
| 23:18:31 | bluebrother | hehe, I did this once when I started working with linux. In the root folder as I wanted to remove the installation but forgot my DOS partition was mounted ... |
| 23:19:00 | * | amiconn also had to learn the advantage of using && instead of ; in the *nix shell |
| 23:19:20 | Bagder | yeah, but I simplied my error somewhat |
| 23:19:28 | Bagder | still had that effect |
| 23:19:38 | Bagder | wham, no more daily builds... |
| 23:20:00 | Bagder | and with holidays and stuff it was faster to rewrite than to wait for the guys that could bring back the backup tapes |
| 23:20:17 | bluebrother | who needs dailies? We have cvs builds ;-) |
| 23:20:33 | Bagder | the dailies offload the www server :-) |
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| 23:25:21 | Febs | Has anyone seen claims that there is an audible hiss that exists in the Apple firmware that is eliminated by Rockbox? |
| 23:26:37 | Llorean | Febs: There's an audible hiss in the Apple firmware, but as far as I'm aware it's there in Rockbox as well, and I can only hear it on my CX300s. |
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| 23:27:11 | linuxstb | Febs: Am I missing it, or is there no mention of FAT32 in the ipod install instructions any more? |
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| 23:27:36 | Hyperbit_01 | new bootloader @ ipod works great |
| 23:27:44 | Febs | Llorean: here's an example: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2598790 |
| 23:27:47 | Hyperbit_01 | thanks @ team |
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| 23:28:12 | Febs | linuxstb: I'd have to check, but my feeling is that you're probably right. |
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| 23:28:40 | puetzk | maybe not using the coprocessor helps? |
| 23:28:53 | puetzk | if it's a power supply thing that's not inconceivable |
| 23:28:57 | Febs | I'm trying to remember if we had a reference to FAT32 in the manual before. It was probably in the OSX-specific instructions, which no longer exist. |
| 23:29:07 | linuxstb | Febs: Then I should apologise to the person on the forum.... |
| 23:29:40 | Febs | And I should add something about FAT32, probably in the "Prerequisites" section. |
| 23:29:50 | scorche | Febs: i still hear a hiss in rockbox, but the hiss is much louder in apple firmware |
| 23:29:58 | Llorean | Febs: What audio format did you use to create the listening test? |
| 23:30:20 | Febs | .wav |
| 23:30:45 | Febs | And I think that I ran the RMAA test with MP3s as well. |
| 23:30:59 | Llorean | Febs: Try it with MP3. If I recall, MP3s do have a louder hiss in the Apple firmware, now that I think of it (still only heard with one set of earphones I own though), but it's been a very very long time since I listened with that specific combination. |
| 23:31:25 | scorche | Febs: this wasnt playing anything...just on the tree |
| 23:31:49 | Llorean | I can't hear it at all with any other method of listening than that single pair of headphones though, so it's probably a factor of resistance or something. |
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| 23:33:29 | Febs | In re-reading my thread on the issue, I see that I used the iPod line-out for the test. Perhaps there is a hiss issue with low impedance headphones through the headphone out. |
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| 23:33:45 | Febs | But why would the hiss be less in Rockbox than in the Apple firmware? |
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| 23:34:08 | puetzk | Febs, well, the poor battery life definitely shows rockbox is doing different things with power management :-) |
| 23:34:56 | puetzk | could be the voltage regulation is better under more load, or the one of the chips has a noisy ground when in powersave, or who knows |
| 23:35:25 | scorche | with that hiss in apple firmware, i cant see listening to it without using my attenuator |
| 23:37:20 | puetzk | kinda like the macbook power supply whine when the cores switch on and off. The "fix" was to power up the iSight, which wasn't really doing anything but sucking power :-) |
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| 23:38:24 | Hyperbit_01 | Question : Will You Include the USB Connection Button Patch to any next Builds? |
| 23:38:58 | Bagder | markun: you have a gigabeat bootloader around to put on download.rockbox.org with the other ones? |
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| 23:39:49 | Llorean | Hyperbit_01: You mean the patch that makes it *not* go into USB mode when it's supposed to, but rather when you hold down a button? |
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| 23:40:16 | Hyperbit_01 | yes |
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| 23:41:07 | Llorean | Out of curiosity, don't you think they would've just had it work that way in the first place if they'd wanted it to? |
| 23:41:08 | Hyperbit_01 | for me i think thats the better way ... mybe it can be an option in rockboxconfigs? |
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| 23:42:02 | Llorean | An option, such as "On USB insert:" with the choices being "Charge" and "Connect" (or "Disk Mode") is probably more likely to have a chance. |
| 23:42:19 | Hyperbit_01 | ^^ |
| 23:42:31 | Hyperbit_01 | i think so too :) |
| 23:42:31 | Llorean | Especially if it were made in such a way that would work on other targets with USB charging as well. |
| 23:42:40 | Llorean | But you should perhaps suggest that to the patch author. |
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| 23:42:52 | Hyperbit_01 | on my way ... :) |
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| 23:43:15 | phrontist | I want to charge my iPod over USB |
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| 23:43:22 | phrontist | while still playing music |
| 23:43:36 | phrontist | but when I plug it in, it goes into file-transfer mode |
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| 23:43:58 | Llorean | phrontist: Hold Menu down while plugging it in, as per the directions. |
| 23:43:58 | phrontist | how can I override this? |
| 23:44:46 | Hyperbit_01 | LOL .. use the patch we talk about few seconds ago :D^^ |
| 23:45:14 | phrontist | hyperbit: I just logged on, and the menu thing should work for me, but out of curiosity, what patch? |
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| 23:53:29 | phrontist | Llorean: thanks, that works |
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