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#rockbox log for 2007-01-06

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00:00:47Bagdercheck now, better?
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00:01:40bluebrotheryes :)
00:01:53JimmySHi
00:02:14linuxstbBagder: Perfect, thanks.
00:02:19bluebrotheroh, sendmail choked again?
00:02:19Bagdergoodie
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00:04:52linuxstbMikachu: Thanks for those test results. When you play the 176x128 version, and enable Limit FPS/Skip Frames, do you get any skipped frames? That's the number displayed next to the FPS.
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00:06:07*bluebrother just reads Febs mail and thinks it should get posted regularly like a monthly reminder
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00:07:11Bagderbluebrother: not at all a bad idea, I've seen it done on other lists...
00:07:25Lloreanbluebrother: There should be a little quiz on it before allowing someone to sign up for the mailing list. :-P
00:07:33LloreanThough I admit, I'm guilty of overquoting.
00:07:34 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
00:07:45LloreanGMail hides the quotes, and so I often forget they're there when responding.
00:08:08bluebrotherI get monthly remainders for some mailing list (mainly mailman passwords). As that is too much disturbing I think we could do something
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00:10:41Bagderlinux-arm-kernel sends out weekly FAQs and netiquette mails ;-)
00:11:12bluebrotherhmm, the no fading on low power makes sense. But it doesn't seem to set that back when power comes back in
00:11:43*bluebrother votes for also sending out such stuff
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00:20:51Lars_GI wonder, recoding aside, do you think the cpu in an ipod would be able to handle mikmod?
00:21:10Araknislinuxstb: On my iPod Photo I also have iPodLinux installed and use there bootloader ipodloader2
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00:21:46Lars_Gcan ipodloader load rockbox? including the new rockbox that afaik changed load method?
00:22:07linuxstbAraknis: loader2 doesn't load Rockbox in the right way for the COP to work.
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00:22:26Araknislinuxstb: On the kernel_on_cop_6.diff patch I also see a bootloader-color.bin is that why my COP did not work
00:22:54linuxstbAraknis: Only the official Rockbox bootloader (the latest version) will work.
00:23:27Lars_Glinuxstb: What do you think, would an ipod have enough juice to play mods?
00:23:50linuxstbI don't know enough about mods, but I thought there was already a patch for it?
00:24:19Lars_Ghmmm I'll check
00:25:11Araknislinuxstb: can the Rockbox bootloader also load iPodLinux?
00:25:34linuxstbYes. Put "linux.bin" (the Linux kernel) on your FAT32 partition, and hold PLAY whilst booting.
00:26:01linuxstbYou can also "rolo" it, if you convert it to .ipod format using the tools/scramble tool.
00:26:10Lars_Gthat's sweet
00:26:18Lars_Git loads rockbox, OF and ipl
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00:26:29Shawn_Khey all
00:26:45Lars_Glinuxstb: Can I ask you something? have you had any "if it's not linux then it's not good" tards?
00:27:16Shawn_KLars_G: lmao, yeah...those guys exist all over
00:27:27*Lars_G sighs
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00:28:02Shawn_KLars_G: Alot of people don't even realize the Mac OS was built ontop of a *nix system too
00:28:04Lars_Gto be sincere I've not tried IPL because my nano's memory is small. and rockbox makes me so happy as a DAP
00:28:08Araknislinuxstb: But I thought iPodLinux was on a ext2 partition not on a FAT32 partition
00:28:27linuxstbThe kernel can be wherever you want it to be.
00:28:31Lars_GShawn_K: Yes and someone... I think linuxstb told me rockbox's posix anyhow
00:28:36BagderAraknis: the kernel isn't loaded by linux itself
00:29:12Mikachulinuxstb: i'll check
00:29:28Shawn_KLars_G: well, half of the code is tied to iPodlinux...so I would assume so anyways :P
00:29:34AraknisSo will I need to reformat to change bootloaders and reinstall iPodLinux and Rockbox?
00:30:00Bagder"half of the code is tied to iPodlinux" ?
00:30:17Bagderhalf of what code?
00:30:28Shawn_KBadger: the bootloaders and all and cross-compatable...just alot of the ideas are similar to each
00:31:03Mikachulinuxstb: i don't appear to, not right away at least. but the fps says 21.7
00:31:16Mikachulinuxstb: the timestamp numbers match up though
00:32:10Mikachulinuxstb: i got a small increase now, up to 50 or so
00:32:20Mikachuafter a 5th of the movie
00:33:10Mikachu186 now
00:33:26Mikachuseemed to be during the running sequence
00:33:54Lars_Gehhh ehhhhh
00:33:57*Lars_G thinks hard
00:34:10Lars_Gwhat was the string to cvs update to have new files and dirs created?
00:34:32Mikachui'm almost sure that's the default
00:34:47Mikachubut possibly -d
00:34:56Lars_GYes I think -d is required. thanks
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00:35:13Araknislinuxstb: what is "rolo" it, if you convert it to .ipod format using the tools/scramble tool mean? I don't understand what "rolo" is
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00:35:55Mikachurolo means you load it from rockbox
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00:36:42LloreanAraknis: If you use the scramble tool on the .bin file to make it a .ipod file, you can just click it from inside Rockbox to load iPL
00:37:04LloreanYou still need the ext2 partition to exist, but to get linux to start you just click the linux.ipod file on your fat32 partition
00:38:47AraknisHow do I change bootloaders from Loader2 to Rockbox
00:40:03LloreanYou'll need to remove Loader2 first, which will require you kept your bootpartition.bin
00:40:31bluebrotherrolo = "ROckbox LOader". It loads a different firmware (usually a different RB version)
00:41:22JimmyScan you remove the original iPod firmware and store it as a backup and install Rockbox only?
00:41:27AraknisLlorean: does a "rolo" waste more iPod resources (memory, etc) because Rockbox is loaded or does it release everything switching to iPodLinux
00:41:49linuxstbIt reboots into IPL- so Rockbox disappears.
00:42:06linuxstb(a soft-reboot)
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00:42:40AraknisDoes it matter how I installed iPodLinux, you have the choice of shrinking the firmware or shrinking the Fat32 Partition
00:42:42linuxstbAlthough it's not very well tested - all I (and Llorean) have tested is booting a kernel up to the point where it fails to mount the rootfs because we don't have one installed.
00:43:37LloreanI'm actually betting on it working though. No more than hunch, mind you, but it seems it ought to.
00:43:50LloreanJimmyS: Yes.
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00:43:57linuxstbAraknis: You could try the following with ipodpatcher - "ipodpatcher N -r bootpartition.bin" (to make a backup of your current install). Then "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodXXXX.ipod".
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00:44:31Lloreanlinuxstb: The current iPodPatcher will probably complain though about it not detecting the apple os or whatever that complaint was?
00:44:42bluebrotherhmm. We don't want dependencies from firmware/* to apps/*, right?
00:44:54LloreanYou know, the topic that led to discussion the option of a −−force flag?
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00:45:17Araknislinuxstb: do I need bootloader-color.bin from the kernel_on_cop_6.diff patch page?
00:46:01linuxstbAraknis: No - use the links (ipodpatcher and bootloader-ipodcolor.ipod) from the IpodInstallationBeta wiki page (or the manual).
00:46:29linuxstbThe wiki page will be better (until the next manual is built tomorrow).
00:47:04linuxstbOr if you have a development environment, just compile yourself.
00:48:01AraknisWhat if I want more than one podzilla does the Rockbox bootloader handle this? That is what I liked about Loader2 I could load more than one podzilla, Apple's Firmware, etc.
00:48:30Araknislinuxstb: I have been trying the VMWare development image
00:49:00linuxstbAraknis: No, the Rockbox bootloader doesn't support the Loader2 arguments thing.
00:49:09Araknislinuxstb: one thing I have noticed is that mpegplayer craches in the sim
00:49:23linuxstbWhen?
00:49:47linuxstbi.e. immediately or at the end of the video?
00:49:50Araknislinuxstb: lastnight when playing the example video
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00:50:02Araknislinuxstb: durring the video
00:50:25linuxstbHow long into the video?
00:51:11Araknislinuxstb: It did not get very far and it was late, I will check it out again tonight in the sim and see
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00:56:13JimmySah crap, what command shows the kernel ring in Linux again?
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00:56:40bluebrotherkernel ring?
00:56:48bluebrotheryou mean uname -a?
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00:57:04JimmySno, when it tells you what the kernel has just done
00:57:13JimmySum, I think it was the kernel ring
00:57:17JimmyShmmmm
00:57:50linuxstbdmesg ?
00:57:54JimmySah yep
00:57:56JimmySthat's it
00:57:58JimmySthanks
00:59:20bluebrothernever heard that called "kernel ring". But anyway, you found it yourself ;-)
00:59:26Araknis-AwayLlorean: I know you said that the kernal_on_cop tracker is not a discussion page but shouldn't it be noted that it does not work with any bootloader other than the RockBox one
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01:01:50Araknis-Awaylinuxstb: would the COP patch affect iPodLinux?
01:01:59linuxstbAraknis: Are you able to install a new version of loader.bin if I gave you one?
01:02:30Araknis-AwayYes but I can not istall it now
01:02:40LloreanAraknis-Away: That would be feedback on the patch, so yes, it's valid to post that there. But out of curiosity, why is there any reason to expect any non-Rockbox bootloader to work with Rockbox? The problem isn't with Kernel on Cop, it's with Loader2 not doing things properly
01:02:56JimmySwhat on earth
01:02:56linuxstbWhen you can, it's here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/loader.bin
01:03:06JimmySit's saying that my iPod isn't an iPod
01:03:06JimmyS:S
01:03:18LloreanIt's not any part of Rockbox's responsibility to maintain compatibility with non-Rockbox software, is it?
01:03:30linuxstbPatch is here as well: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/loader-rockbox.diff
01:03:32LloreanJimmyS: ipodpatcher?
01:03:38JimmySyes
01:03:51linuxstbJimmyS: What did you do to it?
01:04:06Araknis-AwayLlorean, iPodLinux has instructions for booting into RockBox
01:04:19linuxstbJimmyS: And what command are you running?
01:04:22Lars_Glinuxstb: Each time I see you talk I read "linuxstd"
01:04:29JimmySmy iPod, well I just restored the original firmware from the iPod linux installer
01:04:59LloreanAraknis-Away: So what? If ipodlinux has instructions, they should update them to say "This doesn't work with coprocessor builds"?
01:05:01Araknis-AwayLlorean: I have also seen many tutorials on the web to load both iPodLinux and Rockbox by installing iPodLinux first and unzipping the Rockbox zip to the ipod
01:05:11JimmyS./ipodpatcher /dev/sdc2 -r bootpartition.bin
01:05:19Lars_GAraknis-Away: why is it so hard for you to beleive the rockbox guys about this?
01:05:26LloreanIf I write instructions on how to boot into windows from a piece of hardware I made, should Microsoft be forced to then adapt to any future changes I make to my hardware?
01:05:28linuxstbJimmyS: Use /dev/sdc
01:05:44JimmySum, okay, if you're sure
01:05:50linuxstbI wrote ipodpatcher...
01:05:55LloreanJimmyS: He's *very* sure. :-P
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01:05:56JimmySah
01:06:01JimmySsorry
01:06:01linuxstbAnd that's what the instructions say...
01:06:22*JimmyS must remember to read all instructions first
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01:06:28LloreanAraknis-Away: Again, Loader2 is NOT part of Rockbox. Just because it could do that in the past doesn't mean it'll always be able to, as THEY have to keep it up to date if they want it to work.
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01:07:50kubiixis it possible to realize this - press play and then switch hold for instant shut down ?
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01:09:11JimmySSo if I just want Rockbox, do I have to install the bootloader?
01:09:13akjdfdhello all
01:09:52Lars_Grockbox's bootloader, yes. and unzip the rockbox zip in your dev's root
01:10:07akjdfdI have an ipod mini 2g and read about rockbox it seems great, but i wanted to make sure that my itrip will still work any ideas?
01:10:07LloreanJimmyS: No, you can actually load a rockbox.ipod there instead of a bootloader.ipod, but then you have to replace it every time you update Rockbox.
01:10:10LloreanLars_G: Untrue.
01:10:13*Lars_G feels particularily acid right now.
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01:10:49LloreanLars_G: On the iPods, you can put a Rockbox.ipod in the bootpartition rather than a bootloader, if you know for absolute certainty you don't want to boot the Apple OS. The only downside is you have to repeat the step every time you update your build
01:10:52Lars_GLlorean: hmm? afaik OF's loader can't load rockbox
01:10:53LloreanIt does result in faster boot times though
01:11:04Lars_GAh ok.
01:11:11linuxstbLars_G: It does if it's disguised as the Apple firmware...
01:11:27Lars_GAh well I preffer to keep the OF around but that's ok.
01:11:32JimmyShow does one go about that though?
01:11:36linuxstbsmes: No, the itrip won't work.
01:11:43JimmySI can't seem to find it in the FAQ
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01:11:53Lars_GLlorean: Just DD the .ipod into the btldr partition, right?
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01:12:09linuxstbsmes: You will have to boot into the Apple firmware to use it, or buy a non-proprietory FM transmitter.
01:12:43smeslinuxstb: i have the griffin one
01:12:52linuxstbJimmyS: It's not an FAQ... Just do "ipodpatcher" to view the usage instructions.
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01:13:30linuxstbThe -wf option will replace the Apple firmware in the boot partition with a rockbox.ipod (or bootloader-ipodXXX.ipod) file.
01:13:46Lars_G<3 ipodpatcher
01:13:52JimmySah okay, thank you linuxstb
01:14:11*zylche prefers doing it by hand >.>
01:14:14smesirc://irc.freenode.net/ipodlinux #iPodLinux on irc.FreeNode.net
01:14:18LloreanLars_G: I don't think DDing will do it, I think that the first bit has to be stripped.
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01:14:48Lars_Gcrapola my nose bleeds
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01:15:24smesso it won't work with griffin?
01:15:33Lars_Gsmes: not in rockbox
01:15:51Lars_Gsmes: rockbox can't handle right now the ipod's serial port which is required for the griffin
01:16:06JimmyShmmm, I've just done that
01:16:14JimmySand it said no .rockbox directory
01:16:20JimmySinstallation incomplete
01:16:48Lars_GJimmyS: did you unzip the rockbox zip in your DAP's root?
01:16:59smesLars_G & linuxstb: thanks a lot for the help i'd have loved to have it work :(, any idea about the IPL ?
01:17:07JimmySDAP?
01:17:18Lars_Gsmes: Neither. when one of us gets the driver the other will
01:17:23Lars_GJimmyS: your player
01:17:51JimmySno, all I did was ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdc -wf rockbox.ipod
01:18:18Lars_Gthen you need to unzip a correct compiled rockbox zip file for your player in the root of it's file system
01:18:40LloreanJimmyS: You still have to install the rest of the files Rockbox needs, the .rockbox folder in rockbox.zip
01:18:53JimmySah, right thank you :)
01:18:57JimmySsorry, it's late here
01:20:20midkaysteve gotthardt..
01:20:30JimmySoh, I'm an idiot
01:20:40JimmySof course Linux couldn't see it
01:20:44JimmySit's a . direcotry
01:21:08gotthardtmidkay: yo
01:21:15midkayooh. there you are. :D
01:21:28midkay(you should add your nick to the IrcNicks page, by the way)..
01:21:36gotthardtok -
01:21:39JimmySso I just mv .rockbox to /mnt/sdc2
01:21:57midkayjust wanted to point out that you should add Gary Allen to the credits file (docs/CREDITS).
01:22:29gotthardtOh - good - Ill do that
01:23:15Lars_Glinuxstb: You're part of the team (offitial) right?
01:23:35midkayyeah.. pretty much everybody who submits anything that's included goes in there. i'm betting you didn't know that, but it's not your fault.. there should probably be some kind of wiki page for new committers. :)
01:23:55linuxstbLars_G: Well, I have cvs commit rights, I think that's about as official as anyone gets...
01:23:55Lars_GAh nevermind midkay is.
01:24:12Lars_Gmidkay: Sorry to ask this but I am wondering idly and I don't want to jump to conclusions.
01:24:48midkaywondering what? :)
01:24:50linuxstbJimmyS: It's recommended to do something like "unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/sdc2"
01:24:58Lars_Gmidkay: I saw the "incident" about the guy whose patches where rejected because he wouldn't use his real name in the system, and I wondered the root of the rule. I jumped to the conclusion it's for protection of the project, to avoid anonymous patches whole legality can be doubted. am I right?
01:25:24Lars_Glinuxstb: Better yet you got the cloak, that's the ultimate show of status :)
01:25:34JimmySokay
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01:25:37midkaymostly that.. there were large discussions about it, the "core" guys (i.e. leaders) expressed their views on it multiple times.. legality mostly.
01:25:54*Lars_G nods
01:25:55Lars_Gthanks
01:26:32midkayno problem. the whole discussion's probably back in earlier 2006 if you were curious (rockbox-dev list iirc).
01:27:04Lars_GI'll look at it
01:27:05midkayyeah.. http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-03/ - "signing off" by gl.
01:27:09Lars_Gthanks
01:28:00JimmySdoes it matter if I unzip that as root or a normal user?
01:28:57linuxstbJimmyS: Whoever has rights to write to /mnt/sdc2
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01:29:17linuxstbIt's a FAT32 partition, so no usernames/permissions will be stored there...
01:30:55pixelmagotthardt: still around?
01:31:22JimmyShmm, thats strange
01:31:32JimmySI select a theme and nothing seems to change
01:31:40JimmySit's still just black and white
01:32:07Lars_Gmaybe you selected the theme you already had
01:32:23JimmySWell, I've tried it with all of them
01:32:27pixelmaI think you're missing the fonts package
01:33:01pixelmayou can find it on the daily builds page too
01:33:13JimmySah, thanks pixelma
01:34:17JimmySjust unzip it to .rockbox?
01:34:22gotthardtpixelma: im here now
01:34:45pixelmaJimmyS: should be all you have to do
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01:35:05pixelmagotthardt: could you live with that... http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/rockblox_gigabeat.bmp
01:35:31gotthardtlooks good!
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01:36:00gotthardtGB display is good for tetris...
01:36:07Shawn_KI keep forgetting, how is it that I disable priority threading?
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01:36:11pixelmado you know the code changes a bit?
01:36:12gotthardtbeing portrait
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01:36:41LloreanShawn_K: You just comment out the define for it in I believe the config-target.h for whatever target
01:36:48gotthardtpixelma: how do you mean?
01:36:55Shawn_KLlorean: ok, thank you
01:37:00Lars_Gmidkay: Ah well, I'll skip big part of it, it's just some drama. Thanks a lot.
01:37:28Shawn_KLlorean: after messing with COP alot, I feel there must be bottlenecking going on, I want to disable that and see if it helps
01:37:33midkayLars_G: sure. maybe you can hunt out the (very few) posts by the leader trio if you want (daniel stenberg, linus nielsen feltzing and bjorn stenberg)
01:37:40gotthardtI looked at the code quickly and saw the size and position changes for laryouts for screens - if that is what you mean
01:37:59pixelmagotthardt: I think RedZZR implemented additional x-coordinate defines
01:38:00Lars_Gmidkay: Daniel's post was clear and concise enough, that's all I needed
01:38:11LloreanShawn_K: It helps a little bit, but the scheduler is not the whole problem. I can still make audio skip when it's alone on the second core, which implies that somehow the audio thread is being held up by something other than the scheduler.
01:38:24LloreanShawn_K: Sorry, when the codec thread is alone on the second core.
01:38:24gotthardtpixelma: ok - so do you have a patch? or?
01:38:26midkayLars_G: gotcha :)
01:38:52JimmySgrrrr, ffs
01:39:03JimmySsorry
01:39:13JimmySit's just I've done that
01:39:13JimmySand it's not working
01:39:18pixelmaI wouldn't need them anymore with this layout... but for the highscore list I cannot simply comment that define out - it's used later somewhere
01:39:47LloreanJimmyS: Most 'Themes' included with Rockbox *just* change the font, within the menus. If even that.
01:39:50pixelmagotthardt: I could prepare one for you
01:39:55LloreanThe WPS is what will look different.
01:40:48Shawn_KLlorean: yeah, I still want to disable the scheduler and see how much it helps w/ my builds
01:41:06Lars_GThe trick is very simple, look at the themes gallery, if it has a screenshot of the WPS only, most surely only the WPS screen changes
01:41:17Lars_Gif there are shots of the file list, then that changes noticeably too
01:41:24Shawn_KLlorean: anyways, I can't seem to find the define for it....config-ipodvideo..h is what I am looking at
01:41:42LloreanIt may be in the main config.h then
01:41:53linuxstbgrep is your friend.
01:41:53LloreanIt's... I think HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING maybe?
01:42:09LloreanYeah, I grepped for it last time I needed it, but I had someone to tell me what to grep for.
01:42:24pixelmagotthardt: pm
01:42:29LloreanI think #define HAVE_PRIORITY ought to come up with a single result being the one you want
01:42:40Shawn_KLlorean: ok, that helps...I'll do a search
01:43:46Shawn_Kfound it, was halfway down in config.h
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01:44:32JimmySwhere can I get some good themes?
01:44:37Shawn_KI finally feel like I'm starting to make meaningfull progress w/ learning and coding! ^^
01:44:49Shawn_KJimmyS: rockbox-themes.org
01:45:00LloreanWPSGallery in the wiki.
01:45:01JimmySthanks
01:45:14JimmySokay, night guys, thanks for all the help :D
01:45:19Shawn_KLlorean: I like the url for it...makes it fast and easy ^^
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01:45:47LloreanShawn_K: That's not the URL for the wiki page.
01:45:49LloreanThat's an entirely different page.
01:46:20Shawn_Khmm, maybe I should take a look at the wiki then
01:46:25Shawn_Kanything more on the wiki?
01:46:39Shawn_K*as far as themes
01:46:41LloreanIt used to be mostly identical, but it's probably skewed since then
01:46:47Shawn_Kok
01:46:56LloreanI don't pay attention, I use a very very basic theme because I don't exactly watch the screen during playback
01:47:53Lars_Gare senab's patches CVS safe?
01:48:09Lars_GLlorean: I use "green" for I like clean and orderly
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01:48:24Lars_Gand light
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01:49:02Lars_Gtoo sad cover-art is so hard to nano-size
01:49:15linuxstbWell, the fix for loader2 is now in the IPL SVN, but I've no idea how people will get binaries - there are no daily/nightly builds.
01:50:10linuxstbSo the answer to anyone wanting to use loader2 with a COP-build of Rockbox is to get one built after now...
01:50:21Lars_Glinuxstb: You're a cross polinizer?
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01:50:45linuxstbI do my bit to keep everyone happy...
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01:51:12Video5Hey people
01:51:35Video5I'm sort of a newb in rb, but not stupid. :P
01:51:48Video5where can I find the download of Calculator?
01:52:21LloreanGo to the CVS or Daily builds page, find the rockbox build for your target, and download it.
01:52:21linuxstbThere isn't a download - all the plugins listed in the manual come with Rockbox (if they work on your device).
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01:54:09Angrybarrywardell... One more minor question^^ (Dont worry i've got it all working now)
01:54:43Nibbierdoes anyone here speak indonesian? not eh?
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01:55:07LloreanTidak.
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01:55:36*Llorean probably spelled that wrong, it's been too many years.
01:55:54*linuxstb can speak fluet indonesian but can't write it
01:56:00linuxstb^fluent
01:56:03Angryfor sure^^
01:56:14Nibbierreally linuxstb? might you be able to give me the meaning of a few written words?
01:56:21barrywardellAngry: what's the question?
01:56:24LloreanI suspect he's joking.
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01:56:29linuxstbNibbier: Sorry, I can't read it either...
01:56:31*Llorean could be wrong.
01:56:37Nibbierhehe ok :D
01:56:52neutralrobotboydoes anyone here know if a nes emulator has seriously been contemplated for rockbox?
01:56:56linuxstbLlorean: You're not wrong.
01:57:00LloreanI learned Indonesian something like 10 years ago, but I'd probably not be able to help you.
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01:57:39LloreanI just learned basics. How to order food, how to explain to people I didn't speak Indonesian, the fact that "Hati" was liver, but "Hati-hati" meant caution or beware, and that seemed rather funny at the time, and so forth.
01:57:51AngryYou mentioned howfast the adc_scan reads... I am thinking about making something like a smoot on ten values and grab the result of this ten adc values. Do you think that would work or are this too much values and lead to a delay
01:58:00Lloreanneutralrobotboy: Nobody has ever said they've started work on one.
01:58:28AngryI made a test and smoothing out ten values gives a reliable result
01:58:40linuxstbI think someone got one working in IPL, but the speed was extremely slow (single-figure FPS)
01:59:08linuxstbA search of their forums for "ines" would probably find it...
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01:59:15AngryI could divide the touchpad in ten areas
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02:00:32neutralrobotboyahh, alrightey. well, shame not much has been done for it. maybe it's just not meant to be.
02:00:38Angrybut i iam not sure about the delay, cause i ve got to wait till i've collected 10 outputs from the adc_scan
02:01:30linuxstbneutralrobotboy: What device do you run Rockbox on?
02:01:44neutralrobotboyiriver h320
02:02:48Nibbierhehe Llorean
02:03:00webguest94somebopdy
02:03:01webguest94help
02:03:17Nibbierlol
02:03:27*Llorean wonders if making Emulators as .target files instead of .rocks could allow further performance enhancements.
02:03:28*Nibbier grabs his mindreadingmachine
02:03:45webguest94i have a 20gb rocbox
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02:04:06webguest94on screen appears no opertaing system
02:04:09LloreanThere are many 20gb players that support Rockbox. You're going to have to narrow it down a little bit.
02:04:15webguest94operating system
02:04:22neutralrobotboywhat is a .target file?
02:04:35Lloreanneutralrobotboy: rockbox.ipod, rockbox.e200, rockbox.iriver, etc.
02:04:35barrywardellAngry: that's great. as long as it works
02:04:39webguest94it says roc digital in the back
02:04:58webguest94designed by roc digital
02:05:03Lloreanneutralrobotboy: Basically, a stripped down version of Rockbox that instead of being a music playing firmware, is just a game emulator, you could then launch it from within Rockbox using ROLO
02:05:06AngryIt works... uhmm, for me as a noob i could say it was fairly easy
02:05:14Lloreanwebguest94: Are you sure it's not a Rocbox then?
02:05:19LloreanOh, you typed Rocbox
02:05:26LloreanNote, this is #Rockbox with a K
02:05:39LloreanThis channel is for the firmware named Rockbox, not the Rocbox devices
02:05:43barrywardellAngry: have you tested it with the button driver?
02:05:52webguest94operating system is not found
02:05:56webguest94what can i do?
02:06:03Lloreanwebguest94: This channel is for the firmware named Rockbox, not the Rocbox devices
02:06:13webguest94ok
02:06:21LloreanI suggest you contact technical support.
02:06:25neutralrobotboyLlorean: ahh, i see. ahh, well. i'm not coding an emulator anytime soon, so i guess this is all academic. hehe.
02:06:26webguest94what should i do?
02:06:37LloreanI just told you that you shouldn't be asking here.
02:06:43LloreanThis channel has *nothing* to do with your player.
02:06:49Angrynot yet... I think i could optimize it a bit more and afterwards i thought about making the dragging logic
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02:07:08Lloreanneutralrobotboy: It was just an idea I had. It might allow for more optimizations since you're not reserving IRAM for the codecs and such.
02:07:08barrywardellhopefully it won't be too resource intensive
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02:07:33barrywardellAngry: i think there is an ipod patch for dragging logic in the tracker. might be worth a look
02:07:40AngryBecause of that i didnt wanted to make such a big procedure to flatten the unwanted values
02:07:48barrywardellit's basically the same idea for the h10, but without wrapping the values
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02:08:17AngrySo again do you think it could work by taking 10 values
02:08:18neutralrobotboyLlorean: makes sense , i suppose. heh, now to find some poor sucker to actually do it!
02:08:28Angryno delay
02:08:30Angry?
02:09:15barrywardelli'm really not sure
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02:09:49barrywardelli don't know how fast adc_scan really is
02:10:07AngrySo i think i'll just try it... if it works in the plugin (which i suppose has a much greater dealy) it should work
02:10:39Angrymuch greater delay= cause iz produces a visual output
02:12:05AngryBut if i've got it ready.... PLEASE take a look at it Barry^^ there are several ways of coding... In C i may get things working... but i think someone should take a look over it afterwards^^
02:13:02barrywardellAngry: I will be away skiing for the next week, but will be sure to check it out first thing when I get back. don't be shy to remind me :)
02:13:14Angryi will ;-)
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02:19:09Video5_5ghey, i've downloaded a game package in ipodlinux wiki
02:19:21Video5_5gid doesnt work on rockbox right?
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02:20:10Mouser_XDo Windows programs work in Mac OSX?
02:20:30Mouser_XI'm pretty sure the answer to that is the same as the answer to your question, Video5_5g.
02:20:47linuxstbVideo5_5g: You're right.
02:20:58Mouser_XAh, I misread the question.
02:21:08Video5_5gDarn.
02:21:08Mouser_X:/
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02:21:27Video5_5gWhere can I find iGems for rockbox?
02:21:44linuxstbMaybe the Jewels plugin is what you want.
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02:22:07Video5_5gyes
02:22:20Video5_5gbut I mean, i go on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginJewels
02:22:29Video5_5gand all i see is a png dl...
02:23:01linuxstbAll those plugins come installed with Rockbox already.
02:23:30strabesI'm trying to uninstall rockbox from my ipod. When I try to run "bash ipodpatcher" I get a message saying "ipodpatcher: ipodpatcher: cannot execute binary file"
02:23:46Video5_5gno wai. :o
02:24:45Video5_5gwait, i cant find the plugins...
02:25:09linuxstbstrabes: Why are you running "bash ipodpatcher" ?
02:25:51linuxstbJust do "./ipodpatcher"
02:27:27Video5_5gIf everything's already on iPod, how do i get it working?
02:27:42linuxstbGo to the main menu (press MENU), then Browse Plugins
02:28:03Video5_5goh ok
02:28:04Video5_5gty
02:28:05Video5_5gbye bye
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02:32:26Shawn_KI think I may have come across a big discovery on COP...now to compile and see the results
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02:38:02debauched_slothsure did not check it in
02:38:08debauched_slothwhoops
02:38:24strabesok i'm in the process of uninstalling rockbox. I ran the command ./ipodpatcher -w /dev/sdb bootpartition.bin
02:38:39strabesbut now when I start up my ipod, the rockbox firmware starts
02:38:51strabesbut just has an error so it goes to the original
02:39:03strabeshow do I totally get rid of rockbox?
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02:44:27linuxstbstrabes: What did that ipodpatcher command tell you?
02:44:45linuxstbThe syntax you've used it wrong...
02:44:56linuxstb^is wrong
02:46:48Shawn_Kwhat exactly is IBSS_ATTR?
02:47:05Shawn_Kcomparaed to IDATA_ATTR
02:47:53preglowbss is uninitialised data
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02:48:23preglowjust a hint telling the linker that the data contained in the section doesn't need to occupy space in the file
02:48:33preglowit'll all be zeroed upon loading
02:48:58preglowIDATA_ATTR should only be used for variables that are initialised to some value
02:49:05Shawn_Kok, thank you
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03:14:49Araknis-Awaylinuxstb: I see that you said "the fix for loader2 is now in the IPL SVN" does this mean I can use the bootloader ipodloader2 for the COP, and don't need the Rockbox bootloader?
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03:15:12linuxstbYes
03:16:07Araknislinuxstb: you mean Yes I can use the new ipodloader2 for COP?
03:16:31linuxstbThat's the question you just asked...
03:17:04statikkhi guys, need help. I think I just managed to brick my ipod nano. I installed rockbox and all was fine for a day. But, today I added a new theme(Z-Nano) and when I tried to play a song it just stopped... still :( help please
03:17:08AraknisI know I just didn't understand you answer
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03:17:46linuxstbstatikk: Hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds.
03:17:55statikkdoesn't help.
03:18:28LloreanThen you either aren't holding it long enough, or have wiggled the finger on Menu triggering a scroll.
03:18:42statikki cant get it to restart, it doesnt show as a drive anymore when i connect it,,, ipod patcher doesn't find it anymore
03:18:58statikkerm
03:19:03statikki'm an idiot :D
03:19:07LloreanHold was on?
03:19:12statikk...
03:19:19preglowbeen there, done that
03:19:28statikksry, sry sry...
03:19:31LloreanUsually "I'm an idiot" is followed by "I forgot I had hold on."
03:19:33Llorean:)
03:19:39statikk:D thx guys
03:19:53statikki thought i had a really shiny brick here....
03:20:01pregloweven i've done that and asked here, and i coded the bloody ipod startup code
03:20:18statikk:)
03:20:28statikkthx again, I go play with my rockbox now
03:20:54LloreanSo far nobody has managed to brick an iPod successfully.
03:21:12Mouser_XGive me an iPod, and I'll see what I can do!
03:21:24Mouser_X(I'd never intentionally brick it, if I paid for it...)
03:21:51Mouser_XYah, I doubt it's going to happen (both that someone would give me one, and that I'd actually brick the thing).
03:21:53LloreanI'll tell you what, send me an iPod you've bricked with Rockbox without writing over the contents of Flash, and if it's really bricked, I'll buy you two. If it's not though, I get to keep it. Sound fair?
03:22:06Mouser_Xlol
03:22:08Araknislinuxstb: A Big Thank you for fixing the loader2 :) I see it was you who made the change in the iPodLinux SVN
03:22:59Mouser_XLlorean: The deal makes sense. I, however, am far too much of a cheapskate to take you up on it.
03:23:32Mouser_XBesides, I doubt I'd brick it, unless I caused some hardware faults.
03:23:38Shawn_Ksee ya guys, I'm out...
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03:23:47Mikachuif he does brick it, how will you determine whether or not he overwrote the flash?
03:24:10goffadebauched_sloth: you here?
03:24:47LloreanMikachu: I don't really know. :)
03:24:57Mouser_Xlol
03:25:02preglowapple voodoo
03:25:11LloreanHonestly though, short of melting individual components intentionally with strange codes, or writing to flash, it shouldn't be brickable.
03:25:18Lloreancode
03:25:50gotthardthey goffa - whats up?
03:25:50*linuxstb can think of a way to at least give the impression of a brick
03:25:50Mouser_XThat's what I figure.
03:25:58gotthardtglad to see you here
03:26:08goffajust wondering about that last commit... that the one that lets the screen shut off completely?
03:26:34Lloreanlinuxstb: Impression of a brick?
03:26:34gotthardtno - he fixed the reads - he found the problem and nailed it
03:26:43goffaah.. cool
03:26:44preglowlinuxstb: the good old sleep pcf with no wakeup?
03:26:59gotthardti have to finish the buttons and fade to off - this weekend
03:27:00linuxstbpreglow: That's the one.... A very long sleep.
03:27:10Mikachuand menu+select doesn't override that?
03:27:13goffabuilding
03:27:20Lloreanlinuxstb: Does that survive a battery disconnect/reconnect?
03:27:36linuxstbLlorean: No, that's the way to recover IIUC.
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03:28:05Mikachutoo bad you can't disconnect batteries on ipods :)
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03:28:26Mikachu(easily)
03:28:27LloreanMikachu: I have scissors. :-P
03:28:35LloreanIt's the reconnecting that's slightly more problematic
03:29:05Mikachuah yes, disassembling is usually the easy part
03:29:20Mouser_XSomeone said that you can replace the batteries in an iPod in 10 minutes, or less...
03:29:29LloreanMouser_X: Depends on which model iPod.
03:29:34Mouser_XI thought it was in here, but I'm far to lazy to search the logs.
03:29:38Mouser_XAh, true.
03:29:39LloreanSome it's a simple connectors. Others involve solder.
03:29:43Mouser_XI wouldn't know.
03:29:52*Llorean seems to enjoy pluralizing singular words tonight.
03:30:54Mikachua cheap pastime
03:31:22Mikachui mean a cheap pastimes
03:31:57Mouser_XHeh.
03:33:01preglowhahas
03:33:09*Llorean rolls his eye.
03:33:33Mouser_XSo, missing one? :P
03:33:49*Mikachu laugh
03:34:59Mouser_X*So, missing one? .P
03:35:19preglowhahaha
03:35:21preglows
03:35:28preglowTHIS SKETCH IS SILLY
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03:37:02LloreanMan, a lot of Rockblox commits.
03:37:16*Llorean is still impressed with it on Player.
03:37:48goffacool... the random codec failures seem to be gone
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03:39:57Mikachugood nights
03:40:55gotthardtgoffa: cool - he found the problem - misaligned buffers - hes a genius...
03:41:13goffaagreed
03:41:32linuxstbWhy did that only affect the Gigabeat?
03:41:50Lloreanlinuxstb: Could it be "screeching whitenoise" on iPods?
03:42:12gotthardtnot sure - but misaligned buffers was the prob
03:42:15linuxstbOr are we talking about the ATA fix?
03:42:24debauched_slothyes
03:42:27gotthardthe DMAs the aligned and byte copies misaligned
03:42:42gotthardtthis is in the ATA DMA
03:42:48gotthardtfor GB specific
03:42:48debauched_slothand linuxstb suggested this way back
03:43:10debauched_sloththough I still think this should work and I have a problem with cache clears on odd boundary buffers
03:43:42debauched_slothgotthardt: note that if we require even boundary buffers, we need to go into the sound code...
03:44:06gotthardtso be it - i think it should be done - wont hurt
03:44:17gotthardtand will help maybe more than GB
03:44:46debauched_sloththink it will, it should help just about everywhere
03:45:00gotthardtusing the aligned buffs is good - we just have to make sure we dont break anything making them aligned ;)
03:45:16debauched_slothseems worth it to waste a few bytes here and there
03:45:33gotthardtheh - its all buffer anyways
03:45:44debauched_slothtrue
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03:47:35DeathDealer01hmm i want to liten to this flac song but everytime i do it the itunes songs plays ?
03:48:20Llorean"The iTunes song"?
03:48:38LloreanDo you have two songs with the exact same information in the tags, but in different format, both indexed by Database?
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03:51:48debauched_slothgotthardt: are you going to slide in lcd_enable() in your updates? :)
03:51:55debauched_slothI keep doing that one manually here
03:52:20gotthardtill take a look that will prob be after i get the rest stable
03:52:38gotthardtbut the backlight off will be in there next time
03:52:43gotthardtsmall savings
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03:53:20gotthardtthanks for reminding me
03:53:28debauched_slothnope, still cannot play AAC here
03:53:46debauched_slotheverything else looks good, but no AAC
03:54:04debauched_slothMy hammer test passed half a million block reads
03:54:40gotthardtis your GB hot now?
03:56:55DeathDealer01no I mean I have songs on before
03:57:07DeathDealer01I made a folder and called it flac
03:57:17debauched_slothgotthardt: warmish
03:57:32DeathDealer01it showed up but everytime I try to play it plays something else
03:57:34DeathDealer01on the root
03:57:50gotthardt how long has it been running?
03:57:59debauched_slothI don't know, 4 hours?
03:58:11gotthardtnot bad at all
03:58:18debauched_slothtest, only an hour
03:58:37gotthardtdisk always spinning - yes?
03:59:23LloreanDeathDealer01: Are you pressing Play?
03:59:39debauched_slothspinning, seeking
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04:00:25DeathDealer01yeah
04:02:12LloreanDeathDealer01: Play resumes the last playlist. Try using Select
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04:11:00DeathDealer01ok I got it sweet
04:12:26DeathDealer01so much you can do with this
04:12:41DeathDealer01now is rockbox linux or no
04:13:47scorcheno
04:17:12DeathDealer01also you can play video on the nano with this right
04:19:05LloreanSomewhat
04:19:05LloreanIt's not finished yet
04:19:28DeathDealer01ok
04:19:38DeathDealer01you guys really do a great job
04:19:47DeathDealer01I program too what language is this
04:19:58goffac
04:20:05DeathDealer01I would love to write some stuff
04:20:10DeathDealer01oh ok
04:20:36Lloreanlinuxstb: You present?
04:20:40DeathDealer01are you using a certain library then
04:20:58DeathDealer01special made one for compression
04:21:22DeathDealer01what would I need to start writing programs
04:21:46goffai'm not the right one to ask on that
04:21:50debauched_slothDeathDealer01: there is a page on the wiki which explains it
04:21:56DeathDealer01k
04:22:27debauched_slothin a nutshell, you pull the code from CVS, install a gcc cross compiler (if you want to target a device - you don't need a x-compiler for the simulator) and go to town
04:22:52debauched_slothon linux this is all very easy. on windows, you can use cygwin or setup a virtual machine
04:23:08LloreanDeathDealer01: The video is just MPEG1 or MPEG2 with MP3 audio.
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04:24:52debauched_slothlinuxstb should speak to that, I have only played with it very briefly
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05:15:42LloreanAnyone know if .fnt is documented anywhere outside of the actual files that work with it?
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05:20:31scorchethere is a page about it in the wiki
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05:21:22scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FontFormat
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05:21:36Lloreanscorche: Thanks. I searched, but not successfully
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05:25:36Lloreanscorche: Know what noffset is?
05:28:10scorchei think it is the number of bits in a page
05:28:22LloreanAh
05:30:35LloreanI have someone asking me about the format.
05:31:04LloreanShe wants to create a font, and thinks manipulating the .fnt format would be easier (or perhaps just more fun) than getting a BDF tool working
05:31:11scorchenot really
05:31:14scorchefontforge is easy
05:32:59LloreanYeah, I know, but I think she doesn't want to set up Cygwin/VMWare/etc
05:33:00*Llorean shrugs
05:33:02LloreanAt least not yet
05:33:11LloreanPlus, she's a JAVA programmer. They're all a bit weird.
05:33:38scorcheick
05:35:05Mouser_XHeh.
05:35:20Mouser_X(@ "she's a JAVA programmer. They're all a bit weird.")
05:35:24LloreanIt's weird, basically every female I know in person that programs does so in JAVA.
05:36:11scorchewell, females are a bit weird too
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05:37:50LloreanCan't deny that one.
05:41:02scorcheas you shouldnt
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08:10:22tychveranyone played around with encoding a video suitable for playing on the ipod video in mpegplayer?
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08:10:59LloreanOnly iPod Nano here.
08:11:09LloreanYou're probably better off waiting for the plugin to be in a more usable state.
08:11:12LloreanAnd maybe a few optimizations.
08:12:28tychveryeah, I was trying to create a video with a similar bitrate to the ones that you were using on the nano so I encoded a 320x240 video at 15fps
08:13:29tychvermpeg2 video, mpeg3 audio, vbitrate of 256 and a abitrate of 128
08:15:10tychverused the relevant COP patch too
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08:16:36Lloreanvbitrate of 256 probably looks very bad at 320x240
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08:18:44tychvernot as bad as you would think actually, I played them in mplayer too see what it would be like, it was watchable
08:20:08LloreanYeah, I tried lowering it down to 128 for Nano. These were TV encodes, so the quality wasn't great anyway, and 128 is actually watchable though compression artifacts are noticeable even on the tiny screen.
08:20:22LloreanBut I had a goal of fitting 5 seasons of a TV show on a 4gb Nano, I wasn't too concerned with visual quality
08:20:39atrusb5?
08:21:13atrusLlorean: what show? :)
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08:22:24tychverI don't think I got very many artifects, although I only watched a couple of minutes of video and it was a very slow scene
08:22:42tychverit was encoded from a very high quality mpeg4
08:22:47Mouser_XLlorean: Are there plans (at all, obviously not soon) to add support for AVI, DivX, and XviD? I'm only curious, because it would save re-encoding a bunch of stuff. If not, no big deal. I was simply curious.
08:23:48tychversupport for avi as a container format wouldn't be too hard, mpeg 4 codecs (divx and xvid) are far too cpu heavy to contemplate on anything other than a gigabeat
08:24:25*Mouser_X is getting a Gigabeat...
08:24:32Mouser_X:P
08:25:32tychveryou shouldn't use AVI anyway
08:26:16tychverit causes a massive overhead and has compatability issues with more modern codecs
08:26:21tychverlike xvid
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08:26:31Lloreanatrus: Get Smart.
08:26:31tychverwhich is ironic seen as that's what it's most used for
08:26:58LloreanMouser_X: I don't believe there are any plans for MPEG-4 or alternate containers at the moment.
08:26:58atrusLlorean: also a good choice
08:27:23LloreanMouser_X: But I'm *sure* that one day there will be an MPEG-4 decoder for Rockbox. There's already a very little bit of a start at one in the tracker.
08:27:45tychvermatroska or "mp4" (mpeg4 part 14) are much better, hence why apple used mp4 containers for the ipod vidoe format
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08:28:36Lloreantychver: MP4 seems more likely in the end, for mpeg4 video.
08:28:51LloreanSeeing as there's already a bit of an MP4 container parser used for AAC / ALAC
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08:29:37tychveryeah that's very true, matroska is usually only used where subtitle support is essential
08:30:03Mouser_XBah. Thanks for the answers. I had to read the logs to see them though.
08:30:17LloreanHeh
08:30:32LloreanBut you'll still probably need to convert your video
08:30:40Mouser_XI figured.
08:30:40LloreanEven if MPEG-4 support is added, you'd need to pre-scale it to your screen.
08:30:50Mouser_XAh, good point.
08:31:56Mouser_XAlso, instead of " :P " I should have used " ;) " as it doesn't imply haughtyness/rudeness as much.
08:32:02LloreanSo the only argument for MPEG-4 would become either better visual quality, or better battery life (less disk spinups even if more decode time)
08:32:10Mouser_X(Which :P can, depending how you want to interpret it.)
08:32:52Mouser_XWell, I can re-encode. I was just curious to know what I might able to expect in the future.
08:33:28Mouser_X*might be able
08:35:25LloreanI wouldn't be at all surprised to see MPEG-4 available in the future, but it might be years yet.
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08:35:34Mouser_XHeh.
08:36:01Mouser_XUnderstandable. Rockbox has been in development for like, 4 years, hasn't it?
08:36:15Mouser_XAt least, I saw some dates going back to 2002, as I recall.
08:38:35LloreanI'm honestly not sure when it started.
08:39:01LloreanI consider myself one of "the new guys" still.
08:39:04Mouser_XOh.
08:39:10Mouser_XHeh.
08:39:13LloreanI'm just deceptively not new seeming.
08:39:36Mouser_XWell, I've been in the channel for a week, maybe...
08:39:37LloreanPeople keep mistaking me for a developer. I need a mask that says /rockbox/not_a_developer/Llorean
08:39:39Mouser_XYou've definatly got me beat there.
08:39:50Mouser_Xlol
08:40:00tychveryeah I thought you were a developer too
08:40:10Mouser_XI keep forgetting that you're not...
08:40:22LloreanI just listen a lot, and try very hard to remember.
08:40:27scorche2001-ish
08:41:08Mouser_XCool.
08:41:15scorcheLlorean: you are just as good as one ;)
08:41:17Mouser_XSo, nearly 5 years...
08:41:21scorcheminus the programming aspect...
08:41:32Lloreanscorche: I've once more been branded a villain on the mailing list, I think. :)
08:41:51scorchemeh...who cares ;)
08:41:59LloreanI was beginning to worry because Misticriver seems to have stopped hating me these days, and nobody on the forums was calling me totalitarian any more.
08:42:46scorchelooks like you need to step it up again
08:42:57LloreanOne day I'll write a plugin of some sort, or fix a bug and post a patch or something, just so I can say "Yes, I've done Rockbox programming."
08:43:12Mouser_XHeh.
08:43:24scorcheyou havent gotten a patch committed yet?
08:43:31Lloreanscorche: Not directly.
08:43:45Mouser_XWant to try your hand at porting a player to Rockbox?
08:43:51Mouser_XI've got a suggestion...
08:43:54LloreanUsually it goes "Llorean: Theres a problem on line X of Y.c" "Dev: Oh, let me go and fix that"
08:44:05Mouser_X(I don't actually expect you to take up that offer.)
08:44:08LloreanWhen like, someone asks me to try out a patch before they commit it.
08:44:14scorcheah
08:44:22LloreanThough I did do part of the dice plugin
08:44:29scorcheeven i have a few patches that have been committed =/
08:44:34scorchehaha
08:44:36LloreanMostly a few keymaps and modifying it so that it fits a few screens.
08:44:47amiconnMouser_X, scorche: rockbox is already older than 5 years
08:45:01amiconnIt started 7 Dec 2001
08:45:16scorcheamiconn: i just said 2001
08:46:35amiconn/ping lostlogic
08:46:55LloreanCan someone with commit access do me a favour in regards to the manual?
08:47:10*Llorean really should just ask for commit access by this point.
08:47:18Mouser_XHeh.
08:49:11scorchei would, but i dont really know tex
08:49:20Lloreanscorche: It should just be a matter of editing a line.
08:49:55LloreanThe ipod installation says ipodpatcher N -r (or -w or -a), but the uninstallation says ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin, the -w and the N are in the wrong order, and the new ipodpatcher cares about the order.
08:50:45scorcheaye...but i still need a bit mroe
08:50:50LloreanAh
08:50:52*Llorean shrugs
08:50:55scorchelearning that is...both C and tex
08:51:13LloreanThe line itself won't kill anyone if it's there for another few days.
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08:58:17lavidI don't know if this has been reported yet, but the new sansa firmware doesn't load using the rockbox bootloader for the e2x0
08:58:28lavidI'm using a decrypted firmware
08:59:12LloreanWhat happens?
08:59:19lavidnothing
08:59:27lavidit just says "loading original firmware"
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08:59:40lavidand hangs there
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09:02:50decayedcellanyone know where pdflatex is in cygwin
09:03:26amiconnYou need to install the tetex packages
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09:04:08decayedcellcheers
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09:09:10lavidLlorean: I'm sure a recovery mode restore to an older FW and then to Rockbox will fit it all up... I'll let you know if I experience otherwise
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09:11:16Lloreanlavid: Assuming you can recovery mode restore to an older firmware, I thought Sandisk said you can't downgrade.
09:11:40bernard__hello !
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09:11:58bernard__I have a question regarding rockbox on the gigabeat
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09:12:31Mouser_XThen I'd recommend that you ask it.
09:12:48Mouser_XUnfortunatly, our telepaths are already in bed.
09:12:49perldiveroh well
09:12:57bernard__I would like to know if we can still choose to boot the original firmware when rockbox is installed
09:13:11decayedcellhmm
09:13:18decayedcellwat are the keys for iPod Simulator
09:13:28bernard__because i NEED THE usb otg FEATURE ON A TRIP
09:13:37bernard__oops, sorry for the caps lock
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09:13:39Lloreandecayedcell: There's a bitmap with it that shows the buttons to press.
09:13:50Mouser_XI'd say the answer is yes, due to the fact that that's one of the goals of Rockbox. Being able to dual boot, if need be.
09:13:53ZerapheiPod Simulator?
09:14:05Mouser_X^ @ bernard__
09:14:50bernard__ok, and do you know the button to press at boot or something like this, <Mouser_X> ?
09:15:11bernard__I remember a friend of mine who had a iriver H120 could do that
09:15:17LloreanMouser_X: I'd say it definitely does, because the installation instructions say that the original firmware needs to be renamed to a specific name for the purposes of dual boot. :)
09:15:25LloreanUnfortunately, I have no clue what button needs to be held.
09:15:31Mouser_Xbernard__: No, I don't... I don't use Rockbox yet.
09:15:43Mouser_XLlorean: Ah, good point. I forgot about that.
09:16:01*Mouser_X has no portable player to put Rockbox on, yet.
09:16:18LloreanMouser_X: I don't have a Gigabeat, but I try to keep familiar with as many players as I can.
09:16:33Mouser_XWhich is a good idea.
09:16:41bernard__I guess I will try to install rockbox and maintain a button pressed to see what happens
09:16:47Lloreanbernard__: It will most likely either be hold one specific button down while booting, or boot with the hold switch on.
09:17:09Mouser_Xbernard__: Or you could, you know, read the manual. I'm sure the button presses are in there.
09:17:18LloreanMouser_X: Well, saying "The answer to your question is in the manual" when it's not causes you to lose all semblance of authority. :)
09:17:21perldiverdual boot is not supported yet
09:17:26Mouser_XOh, it's not?
09:17:32Mouser_XI thought it was.
09:17:35LloreanThat's unfortunate.
09:17:36Mouser_X:/
09:17:43perldiverit doesnt work at this stage
09:17:43LloreanWhat's holding it up?
09:17:56*Mouser_X has not throroughly read the manual...
09:18:00perldiveryou have to rename/delete/etc files manually
09:18:34decayedcellzeraphe ipod simulator build
09:19:29bernard__ok
09:19:51bernard__that's what I could understand from the manual, but I was not sure and I nourrished some hope
09:20:08bernard__then I'll have to use the original firmware for 2 months
09:20:20bernard__I can start the gigabeat room
09:20:47bernard__but after my trip, I'll defintely use rockbox
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09:22:18ZerapheSo, is that how it works? I knew that the devices that depended on serial for I/O weren't supported - that goes for just output too?
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09:22:56ZerapheI just installed yesterday, haven't had a chance to test it with the iTrip.
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09:28:31perldiverlatest builds damage WPS on gigabeat
09:28:39perldivertheres an obscure extra line
09:28:56perldiveri cant figure out where it comes from
09:29:52Jsunuit has something to do with the progress bar
09:30:59Jsunuwhen you use a graphical progress bar it offests the edge of it by one pixel
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09:32:53linux_jonesis anyone out there?
09:33:16Mouser_XYes.
09:33:21Mouser_XYou are not alone.
09:33:53lavidLlorean: Sansa says you can't flash to the new FW and the flash to an older ver but what I did was simply decrypt the new beta FW and save it in the system dir. as OF.BIN
09:35:03linux_jonessansa!
09:35:14linux_jonesi have one of those
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09:35:36lavidlinux_jones: yeah, I thought they only made one; the one I bought!
09:35:49perl|wtfheh well rockblox works
09:35:50perl|wtfbut
09:35:56perl|wtfpacman is broken
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09:36:27Mouser_XTetris is where it's at, though.
09:36:28linux_jonescan i do anything intresting with my sansa e250?
09:37:07lavidlinux_jones: you can brick it or play doom on it, but not much else
09:37:13Mouser_XYes, there's lots of interesting things you can do with a sansa e250. Some of them even include Rockbox.
09:37:37lavidthe ones that include rockbox do not include sound
09:37:48Mouser_XThis is true.
09:37:53LloreanYet
09:37:54linux_joneshaha i have read that
09:38:15linux_jonesanything with the zune yet?
09:38:59perl|wtfoh text editor is broken as well
09:39:08perl|wtfalot of plugins are broken for gigabeat
09:39:14perl|wtfnow that im going through them
09:39:14Mouser_XD:
09:39:59LloreanWell some gigabeat owner needs to fix them then.
09:40:01Llorean:)
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09:56:03linux_joneshow long will it be before the sansa e250 is suported/
09:56:08linux_jonesor how can i help
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09:59:47Lloreanlinux_jones: It's basically impossible to predict how long.
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10:00:56linux_jonesno way i cn help?
10:01:32LloreanDepends. Do you know ARM assembly?
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10:02:11booyahI just tried installing rockbox on the ipod 5.5 30gb and now I cant login to rockbox nor the original firmware
10:02:23booyahAny ideas? the emergency disk mode doesnt seem to work
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10:02:37bluebrothermorning guys
10:02:48bluebrotheris FS #6510 the frequency scaling bug?
10:02:58Lloreanbooyah: A) What exactly happens when you boot? And B) If disk mode isn't working, you are doing it wrong. Trust me.
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10:03:49booyahLlorean: It's stuck at the rockbox loader screen
10:04:10booyahLlorean: any tips to go into the emergency disk mode on 5.5?
10:04:16LloreanWhat color is the text and backdrop?
10:04:24linux_jonesLlorean, no could i learn it?
10:04:43booyahstandard black and white
10:04:59booyahtried going into original firmware too. didnt work
10:05:06Lloreanbooyah: Explicitly, what color is the text itself, and what color is the backdrop?
10:05:15LloreanThere are two versions of the bootloader.
10:05:21LloreanOne is black text, very light blue background
10:05:25LloreanOne is white text, black background
10:05:29Llorean"Black and white" doesn't tell me which of those it is.
10:05:44booyahSorry, my bad. Its light blue
10:05:51LloreanSo, dark text, light background
10:05:53LloreanYou're using the old bootloader.
10:06:03LloreanFirst, hold Menu+Select to reboot, and *immediately* hold Play+Select.
10:06:17booyahRoger. doing that now
10:06:17LloreanIf it doesn't work the first time, try again, shifting your timing somewhat
10:06:22LloreanEventually you'll get to emergency disk mode
10:06:35LloreanThen, ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin (I hope you kept that file, you were supposed to).
10:06:48LloreanThat should restore your iPod to its original status (boots apple OS, no rockbox)
10:07:07LloreanThen delete all the files you downloaded, as they're all old, and use the files here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta
10:07:14booyahAhh, thanks. Now I just need to wait for the darn low batt screen to go away
10:07:27LloreanLow battery screen?
10:07:37LloreanJust plug in USB, and it should work.
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10:08:09booyahThink that needs another 5mins. Oh well, could always wait
10:08:21LloreanAlrighty
10:08:26JimmySHi
10:08:26booyahtrying to get rockbox to work on my friend's ipod. Been loving it on my ipod 5g =)
10:08:28LloreanAnyway, everything should be fine. :)
10:08:31linux_jonesi cant even get thee thing working in linux
10:08:43LloreanThe big problem was just that 5.5Gs need the new install instructions.
10:09:04LloreanThe new method doesn't require ipod_fw at all
10:09:29JimmySI've been trying to download senab's build of rockbox, however when I download it, everytime unzip tells me it's not a zip archive even though it appears to be. Does anyone know what the problem could be?
10:09:42LloreanJimmyS: Contact Senab.
10:09:50JimmySokay
10:09:53JimmySthank you :)
10:10:01LloreanThat's the "Unsupported Builds" forum for a reason. They're not official, and nobody here provides support for them.
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10:10:13LloreanAll questions should be directed to the thread you received the build from, exactly as the forum guidelines say.
10:16:43lavidLlorean: as for the new beta FW, using the rockbox bootloader would allow people to use it (once it's supported by the bootloader) without bringing their sansa to a state where it can't be reflashed to a previous firmware
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10:16:50lavidi hope that made sense... i'm sleepyh
10:17:05lavidand yes, I know this is rockbox, not OF hackingland
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10:18:12lavidbut it would allow us to work in loading support for the new FW and then later dealing with installing the RB bootloader on a sansa that has this new FW already installed
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10:22:39bluebrothertucoz, we now have a manual for a device without sound ;-)
10:23:21Mouser_XHeh.
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10:23:50lavidhey, if there's rockbox for the blind, there should be rockbox for the deaf
10:24:11scorche...why?
10:24:18lavidit was a joke
10:24:30scorchei thought so =/
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10:25:44peturfor the plugins?
10:26:10LloreanWell there is an lyrics plugin
10:26:19lavidthanks for the bail-outs
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10:30:17tucozbluebrother, nice! it's better to be ahead of time
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10:33:42JimmySI just registered on the forums and I haven't got an email
10:33:47scorcheLlorean: heh...you see the person who modified a badge to say noob instead?
10:34:50bluebrothernoticed that yesterday ... but it's a bit different, it's "lighter"
10:34:55bluebrotherfunny idea though
10:35:28scorcheyeah, but i am tempted to ask him to not use it...badges are special things in our forums >_>
10:35:28perl|wtfthat extra invisible line in progress bar area really bothers me
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10:35:37perldiveroh well
10:36:13Lloreanscorche: I was tempted to ask him not to use it as well
10:36:39bluebrotherI must admit it confused me a bit at first.
10:36:48LloreanThat's my worry, it might confuse people
10:36:50scorchein that case, you have a second opinion to go ahead and
10:36:52scorchePM him
10:37:13LloreanJimmyS: If you don't get your email in the next hour, let me know your forum account name in a PM and I can activate for you.
10:37:35Lloreanscorche: Alright, I'll ask him politely next time I see a post by him. I'm too lazy to go and do it right this second. :)
10:37:52JimmySokay, thanks Llorean
10:38:07tucozLlorean, you own a sansa right?
10:38:08scorchewell, if you are going to be lazy, should i just do it? (politely of course)
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10:38:32perldiverhey RedZZR
10:38:35Lloreantucoz: Aye
10:38:42RedZZRhi
10:39:08perldiverRedZZR are you aware of a little WPS problem with latest builds?
10:39:08Lloreanscorche: Yeah, if you want to. Just let him know that we felt it might cause some confusion and would like him to pick something else as an avatar.
10:39:14RedZZRjust built the lastest CVS, how is the sound problem?
10:39:19LloreanEven though it says "Noob" people who just glance may not read it.
10:39:20tucozah. great. is Scroll up clockwise, and Scroll down counter-clockwise?
10:39:22JimmySLlorean, I changed the email address and it worked, thank you for the offer though
10:39:22RedZZRwhats the WPS problem
10:39:27perldiverRedZZR thanks for the rockblox btw!
10:39:38LloreanJimmyS: Yeah, I've noticed that happen before. I had to change mine to get notifications of PMs. :)
10:39:48perldiverRedZZR sound problem seems to be gone for me
10:39:53perldiver(sped up issue)
10:40:11RedZZRNo Problem, Marianne Arnold has expanded the background to fill the screen
10:40:17perldivernow the WPS, it adds an extra "pink" line to the progress bar area
10:40:28Lloreanscorche: Since the entire point of the badges originally was so that people could, at a glance, tell who were considered Knowledgeable, and at a second glance, tell where they were. The second glance shouldn't be a correction to say "Nowhere"
10:40:41perldiverand it moves stuff around
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10:40:45RedZZRon all WPS?
10:40:49perldiveryeah
10:40:59perldiverdo you have BeatMP or Pixel WPS?
10:41:05perldiverit clearly wisible there
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10:41:15RedZZRI use the EscapePod WPS which I modded from an IPOD one
10:41:18lavidtucoz: yeah, that's how it is on the OF
10:41:35tucozlavid, ok. I would assume it is the same in rockbox
10:41:39tucozthanks
10:41:44perldiverRedZZR yeah its not there cause its all white and doest have any elements in that area
10:41:46RedZZRall I see wrong is one extra pixel on the progress bar, but its not pink
10:42:05perldiveri meant pink as invisible color
10:42:10perldiveroh so you see it
10:42:18*scorche doesnt see a reason for Llorean's laziness if he just posts the PM in here anyway ;)
10:42:19Lloreantucoz: I can't find my sansa, but I thought clockwise was down.
10:42:20perldiverits not really one pixel
10:42:20RedZZRok.... I get it now...
10:42:29Lloreanscorche: Alt-tab is so many keys.
10:42:37RedZZRso the transparancy is not working properly.
10:42:40scorchehehe
10:42:45perldiverRedZZR probably
10:43:02perldiverbut why it moves stuff as well?
10:43:27RedZZRthat is odd, nothing seems to have changed in that area has it?
10:43:36tucozLlorean, hmm. ok. Isn't it more intuitive to increase (Scroll up) by scrolling it in a clockwise motion?
10:43:39lavidtucoz: yeah, i made an oops
10:43:47perldiveri tried old build, it was OK
10:44:06perldiverbut all 2 days old and new ones break it
10:44:06Lloreantucoz: Clockwise scrolls down, it's actually this case on iPods too though, isn't it?
10:44:07RedZZRmaybe the DMA screen updates?
10:44:18LloreanI believe the idea is that 'The right side of the wheel is moving downward"
10:44:19lavidtucoz: yes, it is more intuitive, like winding up a clock
10:44:38Jsunui think it effects wps with progress bars that are bmps
10:44:51perldiverJsunu yeah
10:44:53tucozLlorean, lavid. i am puzzled ;)
10:45:23Lloreantucoz: In the original firmware, Clockwise moves downward on the screen.
10:45:30tucozah. ok
10:45:33tucozi get it
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10:45:36lavidtucoz: I just booted into the sansa OF. CW moves downward
10:45:38perldiverRedZZR btw sound quality is much improved since early builds i think
10:45:49lavidsorry for the confusion
10:45:57Lloreantucoz: I think, mentally, "Forward" so, increasing volume, but moving down in a list.
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10:46:04tucozLlorean, lavid. that makes sense. I was thinking of using the wheel for increasing volume etc.
10:46:16RedZZRIt sounded good yesterday - except for the odd garbled song from halfway..
10:46:17tucozthat is why i was confused
10:46:25tucozthanks to both of you
10:46:31lavidtucoz: yeah, so for that usage, CW should be increase
10:46:36perldiverRedZZR yeah im not experiencing that anymore
10:46:46perldiverand i had it alot
10:46:57RedZZRgood... hope that has been fixed..
10:46:59Lloreantucoz: Yeah, it should increase the volume. Really it should mimic the behaviour of the scrollwheel on iPods with Rockbox, so that the interface is consistent across targets with a scrollwheel-type thing
10:47:14RedZZRI got the button leds working on my build.
10:47:23perldivernow the screen, as you said, i dont reckon anybody changed anything in that area
10:47:32perldiverso i dont know whats happening
10:47:45tucozI am fixing the key reference image, that is why i wanted to know
10:47:46perldiverRedZZR nice, are they dimming?
10:47:54RedZZRYep
10:48:06perldiverfantastic
10:48:32Lloreanbluebrother: Did you see the thing about -w being before N in the uninstallation instructions for the iPod in the manual?
10:48:40lavidLlorean: the sansa scrollwheel is somewhat different from that of an ipod since as you move the sansa's feels like discreet movements, which i think is different from the touchwheel thing the ipods have
10:48:48perldiverRedZZR maybe you can take a look at dma updates?
10:48:53RedZZRI did add a menu item, but can't seem to get it to save and load, so I might just add the button leds as a patch and if people want it then can install it.
10:48:59bluebrotherLlorean, no.
10:49:17RedZZRI'll take a look, but I don't have commit privs so could not post a fix
10:49:17lavidllorean: but that's trivial for the moment
10:49:18bluebrotheris that still needed with the new ipodpatcher?
10:49:23Lloreanbluebrother: You even posted in response to the thread.
10:49:28RedZZReven if I can find it :)
10:49:48perldiverwell at least we would know what it is
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10:49:53Lloreanbluebrother: Well, the uninstallation method is actually ipodpatcher N -d, but N -w bootpartition.bin works still. The real problem is that the manual as -w N bootpartition.bin, which doesn't work.
10:50:20LloreanNothing is required after the -d, by the way. It's just "ipodpatcher N -d" and it should remove the bootloader safely.
10:50:24perldiverall bmp based progress bars get affected
10:50:25LloreanUnless I got my arguments mixed up.
10:50:33bluebrotherah, I thought you meant an error in the manual first
10:51:02Lloreanlavid: Yes, it does feel like discrete movements, but from an interface standpoint it rotations in the same direction should have the same effect on the same screens.
10:51:45perldivercame with the 0103 build
10:52:27perldiverRedZZR oh and pacman got broken on the way as well :P
10:52:33lavidllorean: yeah, i agree, at least in the case of the volume
10:52:41perldiverstarting from the same build i think
10:52:47bluebrotherdo we have a description of ipodpatcher -d in the manual?
10:53:09*bluebrother greps for it
10:53:12perldiverhang on load but menu still works
10:53:29perldiverseems like dma issue as well
10:53:42lavidllorean: but i think the sansa wheel could control the rotation of the snake on the snake plugin or the tetris blocks while the ipod wheel wouldn't work as well for that purpose
10:53:42RedZZRyes I assume that must be a dma issue
10:53:53lavidllorean: as i said, a very minor issue
10:53:58Lloreanlavid: How could having discrete movements in any situation suggest the wheel should be turning the opposite direction of a non-discrete wheel?
10:54:06bluebrotherso ipodpatcher -d will remove the bootloader without needing a clean bootpartition.bin?
10:54:18Lloreanlavid: My statement *only* applied to cases where the iPod wheel was used, which is why I phrased it the way I did.
10:54:35LloreanI never said it shouldn't have additional uses, just that it should be identical in the places where the iPod wheel is used.
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10:54:40lavidllorean: yes, and this is why I should get to bed, it's 4am here.
10:54:50Lloreanbluebrother: Exactly.
10:55:02Lloreanlavid: Same here.
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10:55:20LloreanBut I'm on a strange schedule, and need to make it to about 6pm before I can sleep. =/
10:55:23bluebrotherok. As far as I can see we don't have uninstallation instructions for the bootloader in the manual
10:55:35Lloreanbluebrother: Ah, I'm not sure what he was quoting then.
10:55:36bluebrotherbut there's a line using the old order of the arguments. I'll fix that shortly
10:55:40perldiverRedZZR today i noticed text editor doesnt load too
10:56:05Lloreanbluebrother: ipodpatcher N -d is definitely the better way to go though.
10:56:08bluebrotheror I'm missing the uninstall instructions. I'll look deeper
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10:56:55Lloreanbluebrother: He was quoting a line that read "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin" I believe.
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11:01:11bluebrotherLlorean, found it. We have uninstall instructions for the bootloader, I just missed it before
11:01:26RedZZRText edit is fine on mine...
11:02:49Lloreanbluebrother: Gotcha, thanks.
11:03:18bluebrotherwill be in cvs shortly. Looks like that line was missed when merging the new instructions
11:03:25LloreanAaah
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11:04:20bluebrotherwho wants to uninstall anyway? ;-)
11:06:10LloreanExactly!
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11:10:29perldiverRedZZR noticed it doesnt shut down when connected
11:11:17bluebrotherwhat doesn't shut down? Rockbox? That's intended
11:12:21perldiveroh i see
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11:12:49perldivertext_editor plugin results in empty screen for me
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11:14:09RedZZRI just opened up a file with the "open with.." and it was there
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11:15:59perldiveryes that works
11:16:06perldiverbut the plugin doesnt
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11:19:37RedZZRprob the easiest way to fix pacbox is to disable dma blits just for that
11:20:37*GodEater chuckles at Shawn_K's latest forum post. Looks like he's found it's not as easy to optimise rockbox as he thought it was going to be :)
11:21:02perldiveror maybe it should be an empty screen there? hm but i remember i saw a keyboard screen there where you can start typing your text etc
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11:22:06pixelmaperldiver: you have to chose a line (don't know the button for it) to edit that one with the virtual keyboard
11:22:41perldiveryeah but what should happen if i chose text_editor from the list of plugins?
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11:24:18pixelmait will start with a blank file (like the manual states) then chose the line, the first blank one so to speak
11:25:16markunperldiver, RedZZR: nice to see the rockbox talk has moved here from #gigabeat
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11:25:43perldivermarkun hey,hows paris?
11:25:53perldiverand yes we were kinda asked to do so :)
11:25:57RedZZRHi, Markun... perl beat me to it...
11:25:58perldiverkindly*
11:26:47RedZZRMarkun: you are just a short (but very expensive) train ride away now...
11:26:59perldiverpixelma so no on-screen keyboard should show up?
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11:27:40pixelmanot at startup, only when chosing a line...
11:27:44perldiveraha
11:27:57RedZZRoff out now... catch you all later...
11:28:08perldiverlater, thanks
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11:39:09bluebrotherGodEater, which post did you mean?
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11:44:49bluebrothertucoz, wouldn't "scroll left / right" be more intuitive for the sansa?
11:45:17bluebrotheror is the sansa manual using up / down as well?
11:45:27pixelmabluebrother: don't think so because it's up/down in a list
11:45:42bluebrotherhmm. That's a point.
11:45:47pixelma(like on Ipods=
11:46:05bluebrotherjust looked at the picture ;-)
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11:48:10tucozI know. you have to keep in mind what pixelma said
11:48:19tucozit's confusing at first
11:51:42pixelmabtw... I wondered - IIUC someone named the button macros (in the code) for the Sansa SCROLL_UP/_DOWN, too. I think _FWD/_BACK would have been more appropriate because it's a wheel (?)
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11:53:00LloreanI think FWD/BACK is more appropriate too.
11:54:05pixelmahave to ask barrywardell or dan_a about... I just wanted to mention it here while at it
11:55:34bluebrotherhopefully we can move almost everything to action macros and won't need to worry about that anymore
11:58:32pixelmawell - that has to be in the keymap files too.
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12:05:33graii wish there were a rockboxable hdd player with an analogue thumbstick
12:06:26grai(if there already is, please tell me before i go out and waste my money on something else :p)
12:07:37LloreanWhat use is an analog thumbstick?
12:08:06graii imagine it would make text entry a lot quicker and easier - you could select chars from a ring rather than doing a binary/ternary search for them or even (shudder) scrolling through a 1d list of them, like you have to on the ipod, for example
12:08:48ZerapheWhy not just get a PDA?
12:08:52graiplus you get variable-speed scrolling without having to use as much energy as with a touchpad :D
12:09:06graipda? hmm. i'll have a look.
12:09:18LloreanIt just seems an odd hardware feature to look for in a DAP.
12:09:44graii didn't think there were any that could hold 20GB+ of music, but i haven't looked for a few years
12:10:01graiyeah well i'd only really want it for browsing wikipedia offline
12:10:18graiso i spose a pda is really more what i'm after
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12:11:36ZerapheDownside: you probably can't play Doom on a PDA. But like you, I haven't looked in a while, so I might be wrong.
12:11:54scorcheyou can...but i dont see what that matters
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12:12:24ZerapheI was being ironical.
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12:13:05scorchei believe "ironic" is the wrong term in that context
12:14:25ZerapheI have to disagree. Not being able to play Doom isn't really a downside. Yet I said that it was.
12:15:03scorchethat is "sarcasm" not "ironic"
12:15:07Zeraphei.ro.ny - The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
12:15:23peturZeraphe: http://www.doompda.com/
12:15:43ZerapheI stand informed. Thanks, petur .
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12:16:11peturand I think there's a linux driven pda with harddrive. Palm also has one iirc
12:16:37Zeraphescorche - what example would you give of irony? Rain on your wedding day?
12:16:49scorchequoting the song?
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12:17:29ZerapheCiting it because the only thing ironic about that song is that it contains few (if any) examples of irony. Only coincidence.
12:18:17scorcheno...like (true story) a tree branch falls on a powerline cutting off power to a court room where a suit against a power company is being taken place about them not trimming vegetation around powerlines when they should
12:19:20ZerapheThat, too, is ironic. i.e., marked by contrast.
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12:20:17*scorche shrugs
12:20:33scorcheit is not worth arguing over...especially not in a rockbox support channel
12:21:27ZerapheYou could join me over at #ironical ...
12:21:45scorcheor i could just ignore the issue
12:21:52ZerapheFair enough.
12:21:59*Llorean has had his share of arguing for the day.
12:22:08scorcheheh
12:22:26ZerapheWait, was that an arguement?
12:22:31LloreanI dunno.
12:22:42LloreanI just saw the word argument, and I'm frustrated about one going on in the mailing list.
12:22:48LloreanIt was such a simple thing, but I think someone's taking it personally.
12:22:55ZerapheI hope not. I didn't mean for it to be.
12:23:04scorchemister 2.5.1 has frustrated me enough....but then again, you were the one talking to him
12:24:09ZerapheWhat happened in the mailing list?
12:24:28scorchesee the logs on the site
12:25:49graii sometimes get the feeling that people who misuse the term "irony" (usually "hipsters") are just trying to wind me up or make something ironic happen by hijacking it or something, but i can't be bothered to think about it
12:26:14scorchegrai: it is now a dead issue ;)
12:27:37graiit wasn't when i started typing and confusing myself over 10 minutes ago (only just finished :))
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12:30:10LloreanZeraphe: Essentially, someone wants to be grandfathered into an exception to the rules, because he was an exception before. But he made the change that altered the situation, I proposed that the rules should now apply, people agreed, and he's acting like we're "shutting him down" or some such.
12:30:43LloreanMy proposal was simply that he move his unsupported build from the wiki to some offsite hosting now that it's moved from "A single bugfix to the 2.5 release" to a full modified build.
12:31:50ZerapheSounds reasonable. If everyone did the same, there'd be a terrible confusion over which version was current, supported, modified, et cetera.
12:33:14ZerapheHosting's not that hard to come by. Neither is a free DNS mask. And anyone searching for Rockbox + (player) would be able to find it, I'm sure. I found Psiuyo's site that way.
12:33:37mlindHello good people! I wonder if someone could lend me a hand...
12:33:39LloreanZeraphe: Supposedly he "cannot" get hosting.
12:33:49LloreanWhich to me means "cannot be bothered to" get hosting.
12:33:56ZerapheGoogle offers it now! www.googlepages.com!
12:34:04mlindI haven't yet got an environment to compile with and I want to add "one line" of code...
12:34:10mlindIs it too far fetched to ask that someone would compile and make a build for me to try?
12:34:34ZerapheWhy no building environment, mlind ?
12:35:50Lloreanmlind: It would probably be best if you set up a build environment, in case you needed to make further changes, or if the line didn't work as expected.
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12:36:15mlindLook here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8036.0
12:37:14mlindI intend to get it running, but right now it would probably take the rest of the weekend.
12:38:04mlind...while I think it would possibly take someone experienced 2 minutes to try my idea...
12:39:17LloreanThe problem is, what guarantee is there that this is the only 2 minute idea, ever?
12:39:35LloreanIf someone does this for you, someone else might come in tomorrow and say "but you did it for him" and so on.
12:39:44*Llorean has actually seen this happen before.
12:40:04mlindI'm only asking...
12:40:39LloreanIndeed, and I'm only offering why you may not get help. I can't answer for others though, but I really think it best you at least try to set up your own environment.
12:41:35mlindYes. Thanks. So. Instead. Is there someone with a Mac here? :-)
12:41:47ZerapheAt least, that way if it foobars your player, you have only yourself to blame.
12:41:58ZerapheOr if more work needs to be done, et cetera.
12:43:20scorcheamiconn: there?
12:43:52Lloreanmlind: I believe rockboxdev.sh (Did I get the name right this time?) mostly works on macs now, with the small change from here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6499
12:44:27*scorche applauds Llorean
12:44:49mlindLlorean: and that is a what?
12:44:50scorche;)
12:45:14scorchemlind: a script that does most of the work of setting up the cross-compilers/toolchain for you
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12:45:41mlindMmm... Seems nice. I'll try. Thanks.
12:45:44LloreanAll you have to do is execute the script, and then add the locations of the compilers to your path.
12:45:47bluebrotherit's in the tools/ folder
12:45:56LloreanBut it does need an edit to the .sh file as mentioned in the patch tracker entry
12:46:02*bluebrother doesn't think building a cross compiler is hard at all
12:46:33scorchewe all know that just because we dont, doesnt mean other people dont as well though =S
12:46:41Lloreanbluebrother: I did it back when you had to download the GCC, binutils and gdb (optional) sources yourself, and hand type the whole line telling it to be built as a cross compiler etc. :-P
12:47:04LloreanThis whole "rockboxdev.sh or VMWare image for windows users" thing is like the land of milk and honey.
12:47:16LloreanActually, the VMWare image works for any users, I suppose
12:47:19bluebrotherhehe.
12:47:43bluebrotherbut the vmware image is really nice. Especially as it provides a build environment one can safely refer to
12:48:00LloreanYeah, it's very consistent and reliable.
12:48:06tucozand it's not cygwin
12:48:10LloreanAnd it's not cygwin.
12:48:15tucoz:)
12:48:19LloreanAbout five million bonus points right there.
12:48:24*bluebrother pats his linux box
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12:48:39LloreanI'm converting this laptop to linux in a month or so.
12:48:48LloreanJust as soon as I get non-lazy.
12:48:48*scorche wonders which linux box to pat
12:49:08LloreanI found a record of someone doing it nearly completely successfully (he didn't test the modem, a feature I don't expect to use).
12:49:32scorcheon your specific laptop?
12:50:01LloreanOh, wait, it was the firewire he didn't test.
12:50:01Lloreanscorche: Yes, this exact laptop.
12:50:01scorcheah...very nice
12:50:01LloreanFirewire is unknown, sound occasionally hangs but can be restarted.
12:50:01Mikachui have 228 unique ips accessing the vmware image in my logs
12:50:01Mikachuif anyone wondered
12:50:06bluebrotherI have two in reach ... but only one is up and running
12:50:22scorcheMikachu: at the moment
12:50:23scorche?
12:50:28bluebrotherLlorean, what type of box do you want to convert?
12:50:28Mikachuno in total
12:50:31Mikachuheh
12:50:38scorcheheh...i was going to say...
12:51:08Lloreanbluebrother: What do you mean?
12:51:33bluebrotherI have my laptop running linux since 3 years or so
12:51:36LloreanI'm planning on converting a Gateway MX6920 laptop, and probably just gonna install Ubuntu.
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12:51:55LloreanSince apparently it works with minimal configuration, and I'm lazy. :)
12:52:24leftrighthi there scorche: just a sec while I register
12:52:37ZerapheI've got Slackware 11 on my Dell Inspiron 4000. I like it.
12:52:37leftrightdamn hydra makes me regfister everytime
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12:53:09scorchei love slack as well, but it just doesnt seem worth the effort on a laptop
12:53:20Zeraphescorche, It took me like, a day.
12:53:50*Llorean goes off in search of food.
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12:54:32*tucoz thinks that an install that takes a day (for an experienced user) is a lot
12:54:48tucozwhich i assume a slack user is
12:54:49*scorche seconds that
12:55:01ZerapheIt had been three years since I touched Linux, tucoz
12:55:05tucozok
12:55:18scorcheslack is very much worth it on my desktops though
12:55:22scorcheespecially this one
12:55:35bluebrotherI'm trying to build avr-libc this moment. Something changed so it'll take me some minutes longer than I thought
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12:55:39scorche(pentium MMX @ 133)
12:55:47bluebrotherit's like Rockbox: it evolves fast :)
12:55:55ZerapheIt's worth it on the laptop, too. I got my PCMCIA wireless card working in no time.
12:56:28scorcheto you possibly, but not to me....i am just at home on ubuntu/debian
12:56:44scorcheas i am on slack that is
12:57:37*bluebrother is still happy with fedora
12:57:37tucozdoes slackware still use the 2.4 kernel?
12:57:42ZerapheAh. Yeah, you probably have a point there. Slack is all I've really ever known.
12:57:54scorchetucoz: yes, but you can use others
12:57:55Zeraphetucoz, it has the option for the 2.6, but 2.4 is standard.
12:58:06pixelmaleftright: in Hydra you can set an OnLoggedIn event in prefs -> command profiles
12:58:24leftrightmany thanks
12:58:34tucozok. that is great.
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13:03:55bluebrotherThey are *huge*
13:05:44pixelmaI prepared rockblox for the other two targets (ifp and sansa)... should these be in two different commits? (not that it is much code - just a few defines)
13:06:08bluebrotherI don't think that's needed.
13:06:22tucozsamples as in chips?
13:06:28bluebrotheryeah.
13:06:57tucozcool. will you be able to fit it inside the iriver?
13:07:24bluebrotherroolu did so, so I think it should work. I just have looked at smaller parts for too long ;-)
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13:07:45bluebrotherSO16 is huge if you worked with TSSPO14 for a while
13:08:05tucozok. i am impressed by stuff like that. i would never dare to come near my iriver with a soldering iron and my (lack of) skills
13:09:46bluebrotherI just need to find the time so they will collect dust for some time most likely
13:10:22bluebrotherbut I needed to order samples anyway
13:11:18bluebrotherok, my last hack to the code has unwanted side effects. Oh my.
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13:15:55mlindAaaaargh, I'm such a nooob! How do I run the script "rockboxdev.sh"??? What's the command?
13:16:14bluebrother./rockboxdev.sh
13:16:16scorchemlind: ./rockblahblah
13:16:56bluebrotherpossibly you need to chmod +x rockboxdev.sh first
13:16:57mlindSays "command not found"
13:17:08bluebrotheror bash ./rockboxdev.sh
13:17:19bluebrothersounds like it's not executable
13:17:37mlindbecause?
13:18:02bluebrotherbecause the executable bit is not set. chmod +x
13:19:10mlindno change
13:19:11bluebrotheror call it using the interpreter itself.
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13:19:17bluebrotheri.e. bash <script>
13:19:49mlindThanks!
13:21:20bluebrothergtg
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13:25:30jbacould be bad newline/carriage return characters in the shell script, like say ftp-ing over from windows
13:25:36jbaaah he's gone
13:30:40mlindHmmm. Someone left who can help me with rockboxdev.sh?
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13:35:05matula_thank you for rockbox, and voice menu capability :)
13:35:24matula_i have a broken lcd, now i can use the recorder again
13:35:30matula_hello
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13:41:00linuxstbmlind: What's the problem?
13:42:30mlindThink I got it now... Was wondering about prefix="/usr/local", and what it does and why the script compliained.
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13:43:28mlindusr/local/ didn't exist
13:43:54mlindand I needed to "sudo"
13:45:19dan_aHmmm.... there's a job lot of faulty 6Gb iriver H10s on ebay. Should I get them and send any I can make work to developers?
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13:48:40mlindHmmm. rockboxdev.sh is hard at work right now, but keeps repeting a lot of "Warning: Function declaration is not a prototype. Should I be worried??
13:50:12GodEaterwell the worst that can happen is it won't work
13:50:17GodEaterso no - I shouldn't worry per se
13:50:46GodEaterI didn't sit and watch it when I ran it, so I can't tell you if that's normal or not either
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13:53:10mlindFinished. But what does THIS mean: make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install'
13:53:39GodEaterit means there are no outstanding steps to be taken for the target "install" in the makefile
13:53:52mlindnot to worry?
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13:54:08GodEateras I said, it can only not work :)
13:54:16mlindgreat
13:54:25GodEatertry building rockbox and see
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13:57:00linuxstbmlind: Which version of gcc (sh, m68k or arm) did you install?
13:57:28linuxstbTry typing something like "m68k-elf-gcc -v" to see if the install was successful.
13:58:01mlindm68k
13:59:53Lloreanlinuxstb: I thought the script didn't automatically add it to path.
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14:00:04Mikachuit can't
14:00:16mlindWhere do I edit the path?
14:00:30linuxstbLlorean: It doesn't.
14:01:17Lloreanlinuxstb: I was just saying, that m68k-elf-gcc -v wouldn't work until it was added to path or he moved to the right folder, was a..
14:01:18Lloreanall
14:01:32*nls_web wonders if there shouldn't be a way to view the highscore in rockblox execpt with the text editor/viewer...
14:01:42GodEatereven moving to the right folder won't work unless "." is the PATH
14:01:58GodEaterwhich it mostly isn't these days
14:02:46linuxstbmlind: ~/.bashrc
14:04:17nls_webHeh, if I open a .roc file with the text editor it crashes with division by 0, I suppose that's a bug?
14:04:24nls_web.rock of course
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14:08:34mlindlinuxstb: Sorry but I don't understand.
14:10:04linuxstbmlind: The .bashrc file in your home directory.
14:10:11nls_webmlind edit the .bashrc file
14:10:22linuxstbIf one doesn't exist, create it.
14:11:35linuxstbThen add the line "PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin" to it (I think...)
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14:15:04mlindlinuxstb: Thanks. Doesn't seem to be one. I fix.
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14:22:22preglowjhMikeS: certainly didn't. dds?
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14:23:27preglowjhMikeS: read the logs, and i don't really know what you're talking about. what beating?
14:24:01mlindHow do I make the system acknowledge my newly created .bashrc-file?
14:24:15GodEater"source ~/.bashrc"
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14:25:10Soapat one point in time there was a website linked from the forums which would graphicly display the results of your parametric EQ settings. Despite thirty minutes of searching the forums I can no longer find the post. Does anyone know, off hand, of this website?
14:25:59mlindGodEater: Thanks!
14:26:01GodEaterSoap: not that I can help, but surely you want to *hear* the results, not see them ?
14:26:11SoapGodEater: I want to see them.
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14:27:07GodEaterSoap: so in what form does it display them ? As some sort of curve ?
14:27:22SoapI have a graph of the frequency cutoff iPods create with 16 ohm loads, and I should be able to set the center, gain, and q value by eye (for a correction) quite easily, and save myself lots of RMAA testing.
14:27:38GodEaterahhhh - makes sense
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14:31:14jhMikeSpreglow: basically undesired frequencies generated, especially strong with sharp-edge waveforms line square and sawtooth of course. strongest when things are not matches well with the sample rate.
14:31:37preglowjhMikeS: that's tricky, you need to generate the waveforms with a bandlimited method
14:32:05preglowjhMikeS: a couple of solutions are bandlimited wavetables and using bandlimited impulses, but both are more trouble than it's worth in this context
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14:32:35preglowcooledit does neither, it just uses straightforward lines too
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14:32:57jhMikeSI figure as much. Anything with a transition from high-low in one sample makes for non-harmonic components.
14:33:26preglownot necessarily
14:33:34preglowthe problem is when the transition occurs between samples
14:33:41preglowin the analogue waveform you are sampling
14:33:43RedZZRGigabeat Button LED patch uploaded FS #6511 if anybody is interested
14:33:44jhMikeSthat's even worse
14:34:06preglowif the transition lines up with the sampling instant, then the harmonics generated fall on top of the already existing correct ones
14:35:13jhMikeSWell, in CoolEdit generating an A882 square wav gives you an unwanted undertone of 442 Hz. Doesn't really sound like A882 in that case.
14:35:21preglowthe blit (bandlimited impulse trains) method isn't that much code, really, but i never could make it work with fixed point math
14:35:54preglowA882 ?
14:36:38jhMikeSThe period of that lines up nicely with 44.1Khz wheras A880 doesn't. No beating but still unwanted components.
14:37:36preglowwhere's the A come from? :>
14:37:41jhMikeSmusic
14:37:45jhMikeSthe note A
14:37:53preglowright, right
14:38:32hcsis this discussion leading towards better resampling?
14:38:39preglowno
14:38:41jhMikeSWould like a rather artifact free method so all samplerates can work at the same pitch and make the pitch adjustable
14:39:37Wiwiehello
14:39:59Wiwiei have a short question to the gigabeat port of rockbox
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14:40:19Wiwieis actually somebody programming at the video-playback-feature?
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14:40:48Wiwieso that it will be possible, to play files bigger than 26mb ?
14:40:55nls_webWiwie: there has been some work done on mpegplayer recently
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14:41:01Wiwieyes, i know
14:41:07nls_webbut no rebuffering yet
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14:41:49nls_webit seems like linuxstb is the only developer working on it, so i guess he'd know about any progress
14:41:52jhMikeStemporal (phase) dithering is just too coarse most of the time...been reading stuff but most literature is based on generating sine waves only and not centered around music synthesis.
14:42:22Wiwieokay, thank you
14:44:16Wiwieperhaps at any time i will be able to offer you my help to program at this feature, but at the moment i just can java and no C
14:48:27nls_webWiwe contributions are always welcome :-)
14:49:50Wiwie;)
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14:50:13Wiwieeven began learning C
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15:19:02FebsWhy is it so difficult for people to understand the concept of threaded e-mails?!
15:21:00*Febs contemplates unsubscribing from the user e-mail list.
15:21:35jbait might be the email clients that can't do it
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15:22:00preglowhaahha
15:22:04preglowplease do post a reminder
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15:22:25preglowthe threaded email view isn't default in all email programs
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15:22:29FebsPreglow: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-01/0209.shtml
15:22:30preglowso i don't think all people know about it
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15:28:23preglowalso, blind people might have problems with threaded view
15:28:27preglowi don't know how that's represented
15:28:40amiconnpreglow: The threaded view isn't default, but all half-decent mail clients can handle threads, even free (not open) ones like Outlook express
15:28:42preglowbut anyway, using reply to start a completely new mail is weird
15:29:04preglowamiconn: sure, all the clients i've seen can handle it
15:29:16amiconnThe only thing people should learn is that the reply function is for replying and _only_ for replying
15:29:56SoapIs it harder for people who receive the digest to reply to specific threads?
15:30:35FebsWhat I think is really weird is the tendency recently for people to have a single discussion over multiple e-mail threads.
15:30:36amiconnI don't use threaded view myself, so it doesn't annyo me as much as others. I only use the function to step through a thread sometimes
15:30:54FebsExample: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1086
15:31:18FebsWhoops. wrong link
15:31:29Febshttp://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-01/0192.shtml
15:34:53FebsSoap: I'm not sure if it is even possible for people who receive the digest to reply to specific threads. Though I think that people who receive the digest tend to want to follow the discussion without necessarily participating in it.
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15:48:58preglowthreaded view is pretty essential to me
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15:55:23Soapbrings back the good old feelings of USENET.
15:55:52SoapNow if only people could get the whole top quoting/bottom quoting thing right...;)
15:57:42preglowyes, there's also that
15:57:52preglownow, what would life be without annoyances
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16:07:24FebsSoap: I thought about mentioning top-posting versus bottom-posting in my "guidelines" e-mail yesterday, but figured that was a lost cause.
16:08:15SoapIf people follow your "guidelines" and trim their quotations it will make a huge difference.
16:08:35FebsAmen to that.
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16:09:11FebsI see that in the time we've had this discussion, there's been yet another thread-breaking reply on the user list.
16:10:00Soapthe Re:rockbox Digest one?
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16:12:02FebsActually, I was looking at "H10 recording status" in the "Rockbox 2.5.1" thread.
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16:16:42mlindOk me noob. Don't understand... If function "opendirs" is defined in "dir.c", and "dir.h" is included in "plugin.h" which is included in "disktidy.c", then why can't I make use of "opendirs" in "disktidy.c"???
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16:17:30Nico_Pmlind: is "opendirs" defined in "dir.h" ?
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16:18:16mlindNico_P: Hmmm.. Maybe not...
16:18:32Nico_Pthat would be the problem then
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16:19:01linuxstbYou have to use the plugin API - i.e. rb->opendir()
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16:23:14mlindlinuxstb: How does that work? how do I learn more about that?
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16:26:57Nico_Pmlind: there's a wiki page about developing plugins
16:27:05Nico_Palso you can look at other plugins
16:27:32Nico_Pand to know what's in the plugin API, look at lugin.h
16:27:36Nico_Pplugin.h
16:27:49Nico_Pthe wiki page : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
16:28:53Nico_Pdamn... am I the only one finding rockbox.org awefully slow ?
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16:42:42webguest50hey!
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16:43:22webguest50naybody wanna help me ?
16:43:50webguest50I get this error -1 when i boot up rockbox on my ipod video 5.5 version (30 gig)
16:44:35Soapyou installed the bootloader, but not the firmware itself.
16:44:51SoapFebs: your most recent post didn't thread for me :)
16:45:05FebsIt did for me!
16:45:12webguest50okey... what does that mean ? do i need to repeat any steps in the installation procces?
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16:46:50webguest50i think i figured out what i did wrong... i'l try it again...
16:46:51Febswebguest50: it means you need to follow the "Instinng the Firmware" instructions in section 2.2.2 of the manual.
16:47:05Febsinstinning/installing
16:49:54webguest50It worked! I just did a little mistake during innstallation, ayways, you were to great help, thank you very much !
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16:52:22webguest30hi
16:52:29webguest30hi all..
16:52:53webguest30i find gigebeat user....
16:53:05webguest50by the way, I am playing snakes on ipod, how do i get out of the game ?
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16:54:01FebsTry Menu+Select
16:54:12Wiwietoo late :P
16:54:22webguest50thanks
16:54:29Wiwieoh no, i'm blind
16:54:49jhMikeSheh...blit synth works in Excel :)
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16:58:53gigabeatwho's use gigabeat?
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17:00:39mlindIs there a function to tell a plugin how many dirs it has opened?
17:00:53webguest50how do you boot original firmware?
17:01:06Bagdermlind: it can't count?
17:01:09gigabeatoriginal firmware?
17:01:16gigabeatwhat device?
17:01:25Zeraphewebguest50, you don't.
17:01:26webguest50apple ipod video 5.5 30 gig
17:01:52Bagderisn't that mentioned in the manual?
17:01:54gigabeatusing ipod updater...
17:02:04Bagdergigabeat: wrong
17:02:23gigabeatwhy?
17:02:24Soapwebguest50: reboot, toggle the hold switch to the "on" (red) position ASAP.
17:02:27Bagderplease don't just guess an answer when someone is asking
17:02:53gigabeatipod updater recovery ipod...
17:02:53webguest50okey.. thank you very much ! :)
17:03:04Bagdergigabeat: that is NOT the way
17:03:10Bagderit would totally remove rockbox
17:03:12gigabeatsorry..
17:03:20Bagdernot just start the OF
17:03:25gigabeatreally sorry..
17:03:59gigabeatBagder.. sorry.. forgive me
17:04:07Wiwielol
17:04:12Bagderno worries
17:04:32gigabeatI have gigabeat F40..
17:04:39mlindBagder: It opens recursively. If too many it stops working.
17:04:54Bagdermlind: sure, but the plugin can count, right?
17:04:58gigabeatBut gigabeat F40 don't display my langguage...
17:05:17mlindBagder: No it doesn't
17:05:17Bagdermlind: doesn't it get an error back when it fails?
17:05:25Bagdermlind: the plugin can't count?
17:05:26Bagderwow
17:05:31Bagderi++;
17:05:57gigabeatwho's gigabeat user?
17:06:01mlindBagder: If opening a new one fails then it stops
17:06:07Bagdermlind: if it doesn't get an error back, then that should be fixed
17:06:21Bagdermlind: yes, and that is bad?
17:06:22*Genre9mp3 reads an article about upcoming Sansas with... AM radio (?)
17:06:32BagderGenre9mp3: americans...
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17:07:05Genre9mp3here's the link: http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.3821
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17:07:57mlindBagder: If you have more than 8 nested subdirs on your DAP and want Disktidy to clean at least ALL those that dont go as deep.
17:08:24Bagderso, why not make it deal with the case when it gets an error?
17:08:37Bagderthen you know it is at its deepest level
17:08:51Bagderor am I not getting it?
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17:09:34Bagderanyway, I'm off again for now
17:09:40mlindBagder: I don't know if this is the only possible reason for rb->opendir to report an error
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17:11:31Bagdermlind: well, does it matter?
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17:14:10mlindBagder: Then the plugin wouldn't have to stop EVERYTHING but just go on to the next dir.
17:14:37Bagderyes, but why not do that when error is returned?
17:14:43Bagderwhatever the reason would be for the error
17:15:04mlindSeem OK to me.
17:15:13Bagderseems like a way forward at least
17:15:24mlindAbsolutely
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17:22:13gigabeatwho's use gigabeat?
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17:22:40Bagdergigabeat: try #gigabeat, some of them lurk in there ;-)
17:23:06gigabeatthank you..
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17:24:30gigabeats
17:24:33gigabeats#gigabeat
17:24:38gigabeatjoing #gigabeat
17:24:55Bagderthe rockbox web client won't let you do that
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17:35:09perldiveri wonder if little distortion of WPS progress bar is gigabeat specific
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17:39:37RedZZRhi perl, i've posted a patch for the Button LED's if your interested
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17:41:17perldiverRedZZR oh thats great
17:41:50perldiverwill it stay as a patch forever?
17:41:56RedZZRI've also got the dock buttons working as Select and Button A
17:41:59perldivercause i think its a nice feature to have
17:42:19RedZZRIts a patch for now - as there is no way to disable it from a menu
17:42:50RedZZRI did do the menu code as well but need to fix the saving of the settings
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17:44:26RedZZRI can't commit to the CVS anyway - so a patch at least lets people try it out
17:45:16RedZZRit can be merged into the main CVS by somebody with commit privs if its wanted as a standard feature
17:46:58RedZZRHas there been anymore discussion about swaping the functions of the Power and A buttons on the Gigabeat?
17:48:41RedZZRI have mine configured as A to browse when in the WPS and holding A stops playback and browses
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17:49:03RedZZRto return to WPS - press A again - seems to work well
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17:52:19perldiveryeah we discussed that
17:52:30perldiverbut markun didnt really like the idea i think
17:53:30perldiveri think browsing with A is more natural
17:54:07RedZZRYep, thats what I found - maybe we should have a menu item to config it...
17:55:29RedZZRI'm sticking with A for browse for now, and will continue to patch the CVS for my builds
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17:57:02perldiverha
17:57:09perldiveryou seem to have all the nice patches
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17:58:02RedZZRI've got quite into the Gigabeat / Rockbox since xmas, once the sound was going I was motivated to play / dev stuff...
17:59:02RedZZRIts quite a simple system to modify, and all the real hard work has already been done..
17:59:44perldiverdid you look into wps problem by any chance?
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18:00:04perldiverim trying to work on my wps and its not a very good thing to have
18:00:25RedZZRNo sorry, had to do a bit of diy...
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18:03:43fasmaieperldiver: if you don't mind reiterating, what is the wps problem?
18:05:35perldiverfasmaie sure, right now all the wps using bmp images for the progress bar seem to have an extra line that shift everything to the right on the gigabeat target
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18:06:55fasmaieperldiver: Ah! Yes, I'd heard about that....thanks for the info
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18:08:58fasmaiegigabeat people: Sorry I can't help with coding (don't know how). But next week I will get my F40 and will be able to help with documentation, if help is needed
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18:17:00RedZZRpossible idea on the WPS problem... it could be that the DMA's are not on aligned to WORD's - that seemed to be an issue with the ATA DMA problems
18:18:45RedZZRuhm, looking at the code - it ignores X anyway so thats prob not it...
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18:21:35perldiverRedZZR hmm but why the progress bar
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18:27:57RedZZRperldiver do you have the album patch installed?
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18:28:15RedZZR*album art patch
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18:40:21booboohai have a question. When it says to open command prompt and type in "ipodpatcher −−scan" it doesnt work for me. plz help pm me
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18:43:36Soapdo you open a command prompt?
18:43:44SoapHow, exactly, doesn't it work?
18:44:33booboohayes i open it
18:44:51booboohai type it in then it says like its not a external or internal nor batch file
18:45:04Soapwhat directory did you download ipodpatcher to?
18:45:09Soapand what directory are you in?
18:45:11booboohaInstallation Folder
18:45:15booboohai put it on the desktop
18:45:30booboohai thought about that but idk where to put it
18:45:45Soapso you downloaded it to the desktop?
18:46:21booboohawell i downloaded the ipodpatcher to a folder called Installation Folder that is located on the desktop
18:46:50booboohaand just btw my ipod is a Nano 2nd generation so idk if that could b a problem as well but i heard that rockbox works better then ipodlinux on the 2ndgen nano
18:47:09Soaplol
18:47:14Soapdo me a favor
18:47:20Soapgo to www.rockbox.org
18:47:22Soapok?
18:47:25booboohayes
18:47:27booboohathats where i went
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18:47:42booboohathen i went under the manual and nano 1st gen
18:47:46booboohaand thats what im going ofa
18:47:57Soapopen www.rockbox.org
18:48:06booboohak
18:48:07Soap4th line below the logo
18:48:11SoapApple.....
18:48:15Soapwhat does it say?
18:48:41booboohait says that the 2nd gen nano is not supported
18:48:52booboohathat only means that the website doesnt like say that it will work fully
18:48:58Soapnot at all
18:49:00booboohabut so far ppl that did it got it too work
18:49:10Soapbull
18:49:16Soapsomeone is pulling your leg.
18:49:32Soapnobody has run any private code on a Nano 2nd Gen.
18:49:52booboohawell ill see if it will work
18:49:57booboohaonce the ipodpatcher can work
18:50:00booboohacuz thats my prob so far
18:50:02booboohaand if it doesnt
18:50:03Soapno
18:50:16booboohai can just reset the ipod to day1
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18:50:33Soapyour problem is a failure to understand that the Nano 2nd generation has as much in common with the Nano 1st generation as it does with a toaster.
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18:51:06booboohait still has a flash drive
18:51:10booboohaonly diff thing is the case
18:51:13Soapnope
18:51:14booboohaeveryone can see that
18:51:17Soapdifferent hardware
18:51:23booboohaexactly
18:51:26booboohasofware is intact
18:51:36Soapnot the same software.
18:51:39Soaplooks the same
18:51:41Soapbut isn't
18:51:46Soapas the hardware isn't the same.
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18:52:01booboohawhat versions are the 1st gen nanos
18:52:03Soaprockbox WILL NOT work on the 2nd gen.
18:52:07booboohacuz the 2nd gen is only 1.1.1
18:52:15Soapthat means nothing.
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18:52:32Soapan artificial label.
18:53:24SoapSo...where did you hear rockbox or Ipod Linux would work on your 2nd gen Nano?
18:53:39booboohahttp://www.binrev.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25902
18:54:58Soapok, I read that entire thread and no where does it mention the 2nd generation Nano.
18:55:18booboohawell its implied
18:55:34booboohacuz the 1st post says that the nano is not supported by the ipodlinux
18:55:47Soaptake it up with the poster.
18:56:28booboohaand i got the idea that its possible b/c ppl replied to that with good responses
18:56:28Soapimplications on a random forum be damned, I'm telling you it flat out will not, can not, work on a 2nd gen.
18:56:47booboohais there any firmware that will?
18:56:51Soapno
18:56:59booboohais rockbox workin on it?
18:57:08Soapbarely
18:57:37booboohaok well i guess i can deal with just the normal firmware
18:57:42booboohano biggie
18:57:44SoapThe 2nd gen nano is the first iPod ever, the first ipod ever (except the shuffles) not to use the PortaPlayer chips.
18:57:56booboohao
18:58:08booboohaand what were those used for b4 and what do the new ipods use now
18:59:12Soapmain processor and half the other components. A "system on a chip"
18:59:22booboohauhuh
18:59:22SoapI believe samsung makes the new ones.
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19:00:01bluebrotherSoap, do you know what processor it is? Still ARM7 core?
19:00:04booboohawell thx for all ur help, at least that saved me some frustration
19:00:22Soapbluebrother: everything I've read says it is, but I don't know how they know that.
19:01:13bluebrotherok. Lets see when someone manages to run code on it ...
19:01:46Soapmaybe the front page should be changed from "Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen are not supported)" to "Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen do not work.)"
19:02:10Soapsince IPL runs well on multiple devices they "do not support"
19:02:50booboohayeah exactly
19:02:58booboohathats what i based my judgement on
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19:03:33booboohathe DO NOT WORK in bold red letters would get the message across and maybe a little link to an explanation as to why they do not work
19:05:22bluebrother"not supported" means to me "it doesn't work, but maybe someone managed to get it working recently, so read the website / mailing list archive / forum"
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19:06:00bluebrotherfor example I got an AVR Dragon recently. avrdude doesn't support it −− but current cvs has support.
19:06:10bluebrotherOf course this is not announced as it hasn't been released officially.
19:06:11Soap"not supported" in IPL lingo means "use at your own risk"
19:06:30Soapboobooha: first line of the Nano (1st gen) manual's install instructions:
19:06:32Soap"Note: Rockbox presently runs only on the original Ipod Nano. Rockbox does not run on the newer, second generation Ipod Nano (the all alumminum verion). For information on identifying which Ipod you own, see this page on Apple’s web site: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61688 "
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19:07:30booboohaSoaP: yeah i shoulda have read that, i just skipped to installation, thinkin if anything goes wrong just format the ipod
19:07:34bluebrother"The dock connector and headphones port are both located on the bottom of the unit."
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19:07:43bluebrotherstrange position for a headphone port
19:07:55Soapboobooha: First line of the wiki install instructions "Rockbox works on all recent ipods apart from the Shuffle (both old and new), the new "2nd Generation" ipod Nano (the all-aluminium version) and the 80GB ipod Video"
19:08:13*bluebrother sighs
19:08:19Soapbluebrother: ment to be worn around the neck.
19:08:24Soaphanging upside down.
19:08:53bluebrotherwriting all this informations to manual, wiki, website etc. is only for users to ignore it :(
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19:09:41booboohai hope that apple or some mp3 player comes up with some wifi headphones, just have lil chip that sets ur frequency in the ipod and 2 lil buds(that can be lost at your own risk)
19:10:17Soapboobooha: there are plenty of bluetooth headphones out there now. But that is offtopic for this channel.
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20:09:34subsonHi, I installed cygwin with sh-elf. I run rockboxdev.h:no error at the end. I run configure and make say no such file or directory asking button-target.h from button.h from backlight.h :30
20:16:14subsonI will try on debian
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20:18:28linuxphiledoes anyone know how to convert the .sat files on a gigabeat back to mp3?
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20:24:40perldiverlinuxphile yes
20:25:24perldiveryou have to load original firmware, connect the player through cradle in windows media port and just copy the files back to computer
20:25:36perldiverport=mode
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20:46:44mlindIs there an easy way to print a string starting from the X:th letter?
20:47:09ydoprint string[X:]
20:47:33mlindWith colon?
20:47:39ydothat was python :)
20:47:49ydothought I was in that #
20:47:58ydois it C?
20:48:00mlindYour joking with a noob.
20:48:06peturadd X to the char pointer
20:48:21LloreanWhatever the string is named, just add X to it.
20:48:22ydothen.. printf("%s",&string[X]);
20:48:25mlindGets the rest of the string and not only one char?
20:48:42LloreanA string is just something that points at the first character.
20:48:45ydothe printf will terminate at the '\0' at the end
20:49:06mlindI'll try that.
20:49:42gotthardtbtw character 0 is the first char 1 is the second
20:49:46gotthardtetc
20:50:04gotthardtso the first letter is 0
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20:52:58hachipointer math is the shizz
20:53:36peturnah it's easy
20:53:58perldivergotthardt maybe you have an idea about broken wps progress bar on gigabeat?
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20:55:32gotthardt? i havent touched the wps - i found that if i just chose the wps and not the 'theme' i would get odd looking wps
20:56:22perldiveryes everything that uses bmp for progress bar gets an extra line that shifts it
20:56:27gotthardti dont know if that is typical behiour
20:56:38perldiverno it was fine till 0103 build
20:57:03hachisorry, I was using that strange language where I was saying I liked it
20:57:14gotthardtoh - not sure what could have done that- which wps does it affect?
20:57:17hachitwos-compliment math is fun to combine with pointers
20:57:30perldivergotthardt easily to see on BeatMP or Pixel for example
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20:57:49gotthardtoh - havent tried those...
20:57:53perldiverits hard to explain but please check them, you will understand right away
20:58:01gotthardtok
20:58:27perldiverits a weird problem that bothers wps authors now including myself :)
20:58:30gotthardtill have to download... and try
20:59:00SoapBeatMP / Pixel with AA or without?
20:59:05perldiverwithout
20:59:09perldiverits not a wps problem
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21:01:05perldiverno patches used, all latest builds have it
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21:02:50gotthardtperldiver: i see the prog bar offset horiz
21:02:54gotthardtnot good eh?
21:03:15perldiveryeah, weird
21:03:37gotthardtare you a coder? can you look at code?
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21:04:04perldiveri can't but redzzr looked at earlier, we thought its a dma issue
21:04:13perldiverbut he didnt see anything strange
21:04:39gotthardtnot likely if it repeatable... but ill poke around some
21:05:58mlindIf I'm only working with the code of a Plugin, can I compile only that one?
21:06:30peturmake will only build the code that's changed
21:06:43peturbut under cygwin it will still be dead slow
21:06:45mlindbut unzip...
21:06:47perldivergotthardt i think i saw it on icatcher wps as a "pink" line
21:06:58gotthardthmm
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21:08:12perldiverit was actually towards right
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21:08:49perldivernot like on Pixel one for example
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21:31:23mlindDoes plugins always use the default system font? I use nothing else myself so I wouldn't know...
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21:38:59linuxphileAnyone know how to restore an S series using a PC?
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21:43:28goffaredzzr's button led patch for the gigabeat is nice
21:44:09hotwire_successful patch for that?
21:44:15goffaseems to be
21:44:20goffaum...
21:44:51goffahttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6511
21:45:34goffagiga is comng together nicely
21:46:07goffabuttons even fade with the wps
21:46:27hotwire_a few more plugins, cradle, and we're 'done'
21:46:37hotwire_done != finished
21:46:47goffayeah.. don't care so much about the cradle
21:46:51goffasince i don't have one
21:46:57goffai think my 60 is supposed to have one
21:46:59hotwire_X series?
21:47:04goffanah.. used f series
21:47:15goffaonly paid $95 for it
21:47:19hotwire_ya, you probably should have a cradle, but what can you do?
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21:47:33goffai saw the cradle.. i'm pretty happy without it
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21:47:57hotwire_I just like the drop in for simlutaneous usb and charging
21:47:58goffaa guy at work bought his son one for christmas
21:48:05goffayeah... that is nice
21:48:20hotwire_best buy in canada now has their gigabeat F's on clearance.
21:48:28hotwire_if only i had money
21:48:32goffayeah
21:48:33hotwire_since my f20 is all scratched up
21:48:47goffayeah.. i got the screen condom for mine
21:48:51hotwire_didn't markun have a patch for cradle on the temporary gigabeat cvs?
21:48:57goffaone of those digi camera screen protectors
21:49:11goffapossibly
21:49:17hotwire_no, the screen is okay for me, the brushed metal is scratched up
21:49:26goffaah
21:49:28hotwire_actually there is a spec of dust inside my screen
21:49:35goffayeah.. mine too
21:52:38hotwire_who has commit access for that patch?
21:53:21goffadunno... gotthardt or debauched_sloth
21:53:41gotthardtwhat patch?
21:53:48goffahttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6511
21:54:10perldiverhotwire_ some plugins are broken
21:54:21perldiverand now the wps is broken as well
21:54:26gotthardtim working on that at the moment
21:54:50perldivergotthardt thanks for looking into it
21:54:56hotwire_ya, i noticed a problem with the wps... the track duration scroll bar is one pixel too many to the right?
21:55:02perldiveryes yes
21:55:40orkidsoo.... :) how do i get a bootloader onto a dev/zeroed sandisk sansa player? :)
21:58:31Lloreanhotwire_: That's most commonly just called the "progress bar" (less to type out, I think)
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22:15:18perldiverrestore?
22:16:19hotwire_Llorean: thanks, i knew there was a simpler name for it.
22:16:24hotwire_just couldn't think of it
22:16:56Lloreanhotwire_: No worries, and using common terms help everyone. :)
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22:32:36tamacrackerhey guys?.. what's the name of the gigabeat room?
22:32:50GodEater#gigabeat
22:32:50tamacrackeri just found out rockbox is fully functional for the F series >.>
22:32:50Mouser_X#gigabeat.
22:32:54tamacrackerwoohoo thanks!
22:32:57Mouser_XWithout the "."
22:33:07Mouser_XAlso, no one is really in there.
22:33:20Mouser_XYou're most likely better off discussing it in here.
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22:33:42Lloreantamacracker: This is #Rockbox, which is where all Rockbox related questions should be, even if on Gigabeat
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22:34:06Mouser_X(That's what I was trying to get at...)
22:34:13tamacrackeroh cool
22:35:02tamacrackerWell i have a quick question for you guys... which im sure it's pretty simple and lazy of me... but what's the direct link to the instructions on how to intall rockbox and also if there's additional information as far as bugs
22:35:21senabthat is lazy
22:35:39Lloreantamacracker: Just click the manuals link at Rockbox.org
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22:36:00senabi'm well impressed with the cop patch
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22:36:12Lloreansenab: It works quite well on its own.
22:36:15tamacrackerlol senab
22:36:34Lloreansenab: It moves just the codec thread and creates a new main thread on the COP, since the codec thread makes up a large chunk of processing anyway.
22:36:53senabye i saw that in the os debug menu
22:36:58Lloreansenab: That build by "sentertainment" probably causes a performance hit, since the Codecs make up most of the processing anyway, and should very likely keep the 2nd core to just them
22:37:26senabi thought that, why on earth would you move the backlight to the same core as the codecs?
22:37:47LloreanHe seems very enthusiastic to "try things" and "challenge things" to see if he can make things better.
22:37:55tamacrackeroh oh one more question, with rockbox on the F series Gigabeat work with linux?
22:38:11tamacrackerI use kubuntu and if my mp3 player works with linux... i will never use windows again.
22:38:14senabgood on him, he could use his brain a bit though
22:38:16GodEaterhe's an enthusiastic idiot :)
22:38:40Lloreantamacracker: Rockbox plays files from UMS mode, so if you can copy the files to the drive as normal MP3s (or any supported format), Rockbox can play it.
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22:39:16senabtamacracker, a tip for *buntu, don't move files, just copy them
22:39:24tamacrackerwell this is the situation, with the gigabeat, in order to drag wma files.. it has to be on the docking station
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22:39:43tamacrackerand it uses windows media player.
22:39:44Lloreantamacracker: Rockbox doesn't support WMA
22:39:52tamacrackeroh.. what does it support?
22:39:58senabeverything but lol
22:39:59LloreanMany formats
22:40:04tamacrackerlol
22:40:07LloreanPretty much every major non-WMA format
22:40:14tamacracker.mp3 for sure then, yes?
22:40:16LloreanYes
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22:40:26LloreanIf you can access the Gigabeat as a drive, at all, you can play music in Rockboxy.
22:40:28LloreanRockbox
22:40:35senabwma is proprietry format, and as which only a decoder for <v9 is available afaik
22:40:38tamacrackerah i see
22:40:51tamacrackerLlorean that's awesome!
22:41:09tamacrackerbecause it's only known as a usb mass media drive when it's off the docking station
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22:41:35tamacrackerso i can just drag it/copy it onto the usb mass drive, yes?
22:41:35LloreanAnd that's all Rockbox needs, or even wants.
22:41:38LloreanYes
22:41:41tamacrackerwooot
22:41:48tamacrackeryou guys f'n rock.
22:41:53tamacrackersorry :D
22:42:11tamacrackerthat's it... windows will no longer exist on my machine ever again :P
22:42:15Mouser_XHeh.
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22:42:34senablol, i still have a need for windows
22:42:41tamacrackernot I :D
22:42:45tamacrackeri have openoffice
22:42:55tamacrackerso any window apps can be used on linux :P
22:43:02senablol not the ones i need
22:43:08tamacrackeroh i dunno :x
22:43:25senabfireworks, dreamweaver mainly
22:43:29Mouser_XEven Winamp will run on Linux.
22:43:37tamacracker:)
22:43:41Mouser_XUnder WINE, at the least.
22:43:46tamacrackeryeah
22:43:55senabi've never seen the point in using wine
22:43:56Mouser_XBack to Rockbox though...
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22:45:55senabllorean: just had a thought about the unsupported builds forum
22:46:30senaband specifcially about the cross platform builds
22:47:14LloreanOh?
22:47:34senabwhy not order builds by platform instead? eg. portalplayer, coldfire
22:48:05linuxphileYes, the gigabeat is telling me to update or restore portable media center using pc application
22:48:10LloreanBecause there's no reason not to have an H300 / H10 / iPod Photo build.
22:48:29senabexactly
22:48:37LloreanBut that's Coldfire/PP/PP
22:48:59LloreanMaybe I'm missing something
22:49:19senabi didin't know the h300 could be the same as the h10
22:49:27senab(in terms of build)
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22:49:46LloreanWell, a lot of people provide multiple versions of the build for different targets
22:49:57senaboooohhh, i get you now
22:50:19senabwell thats just something that you can't really sortout
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22:50:24LloreanFor example, piJulius' patches ought to work fine on the Coldfire targets, if someone wanted to make a build for them too.
22:50:34LloreanYeah. :(
22:51:03LloreanThat's why I just want a list of targets, in alphabetical order, in front of the build name.
22:51:15senabwell not really, i had a look at them today and really can't be arsed with those patches lol
22:51:21LloreanHahaha
22:51:26LloreanWell, I meant in the broadest sense.
22:51:32senabi know, haha
22:51:39LloreanI'm not a fan of the patches anyway, since they're just sorta fluff and not really features aiming for inclusion.
22:51:59senabthey're just one big huge mess
22:52:13tamacrackerHey Llorean, my operating system recognizes my gigabeat as of now as a Mounted Removable Medium, is this correct?
22:52:18senabyep
22:52:24tamacrackerWoot.
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22:52:34senabgo to /media/
22:52:34tamacracker:)
22:52:35tamacrackeryeah
22:52:37senabit should be in there somewhere
22:52:49tamacrackerit's an icon of a usb thumb drive :P
22:52:58LloreanI don't mind unsupported builds, though I think they do end up causing a little grief.
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22:53:23senabtrue, thats why i stopped doing mine for a while
22:53:26LloreanA lot of times people are like "The patch works fine on Bob's builds, why don't you guys include it?" and arguments like "The code doesn't follow our guidelines" and such don't really convince normal people
22:54:12senabthe only reason i'm doing it again is because i use most of those patches anyway, and it's no real hassle to upload them
22:54:26senabespecially with my new shell script lol
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22:54:50LloreanHehehe
22:54:56LloreanWell, they do help with patch testing.
22:55:14senabonly if the person can be arsed to give feedback
22:55:22LloreanThough only when you can actually identify which patch caused the problem, too.
22:55:26tamacrackerMount point should be /dev/sda1 yes?
22:55:26senabusually it's just "it don't work, please fix"
22:55:31senabyes
22:55:35tamacrackerthanks senab
22:55:44MalakaiCan anyone give me suggestions for why I get errors running tools/configure?
22:55:50Malakaiin cygwin on windows
22:55:54senabwell, it'll be /dev/sda*
22:56:09senabmalakai: have you applied any patches
22:56:11senab*?
22:56:27Malakaijust did a co of rockbox-all
22:56:45Malakaiand followed wiki for d/l the mods/packages I need for th ebuild environment
22:57:03LloreanWhat error do you get? Copy it to a pastebin if it's multi-line.
22:57:06tamacrackerah ok senab
22:57:42tamacrackeri have one more dumb question, am i goin to lose all my .sat files or if not will they be read by rock box?
22:57:42Lloreansenab: My favorite unsupported build used to be the "2.5.1" because it was just a backport of a relatively major bugfix to the 2.5 codebase for Archos users, but there's been drama on that front recently.
22:58:01Lloreantamacracker: Rockbox doesn't support .sat. You won't lose them, but Rockbox won't play them.
22:58:17senabwhat are *.sat?
22:58:26tamacracker>.> well i guess i have a crap load of songs to get again
22:58:36tamacrackerit's what toshiba converts the audio files into
22:58:39BagderLlorean: pathetic guys
22:58:47Mouser_Xtamacracker: There's a way to revert them back to MP3.
22:58:47tamacrackerso it will be .mp3.sat
22:58:54Mouser_XI don't know how to do it though.
22:58:55tamacrackerreally?!
22:58:56tamacrackeroh damn
22:58:57Lloreansenab: .sat is the format the Gigabeat converts to, apparently
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22:59:10tamacrackeri know you can't just take off the .sat
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22:59:16LloreanBagder: It all blew up so quickly. I really liked the idea of the build, but I'm not fond of 'special treatment' once it changes its purpose.
22:59:17senabis it just a container?
22:59:20tamacrackeryep
22:59:24tamacrackerthat's exactly what it is
22:59:26Lloreansenab: With encryption I believe, but I'm not sure.
22:59:34BagderLlorean: indeed, even the name is bad now
22:59:35tamacrackerfilename.mp3.sat is what it looks like
22:59:36MalakaiHere's the errors I see: http://pastebin.com/853032
22:59:58senabso they DRM MP3? w***ers
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23:00:10Malakailine 10, 13, 16 and 18 are just blank lines. Maybe some sort of line termination issue?
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23:00:35tamacrackerim not sure senab
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23:00:53GodEaterMalakai: looks more like you didn't run the rockboxdev.sh yet
23:01:20Malakaiwas following this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile
23:01:53senabdo you need to run rockboxdev.sh in cygwin? i didn't when i used it
23:02:43GodEateryou need to get the toolchain from somewhere
23:02:55Malakaii have the toolchain
23:03:00Malakaiit's part of the cygwin package
23:03:02GodEaterin your path ?
23:03:04Malakaiyes
23:03:15GodEaterno clue then
23:03:21Malakai$ which sh-elf-gcc
23:03:21Malakai/opt/sh/bin/sh-elf-gcc
23:03:23GodEaterI don't use cygwin I'm afraid
23:03:41Malakaiit's like the /bin/sh parsing the configure is barfing on something about the file
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23:03:58Malakaithe fact the the first 5 errors are blank lines leads me to blieve it's a line termination thing
23:04:04orkidis there any way to unbrick an mp3 player? (perhaps OT)
23:04:29Malakaithat's a horribly vague question orkid
23:04:32orkidshort of gettinga a JTAG cable.
23:04:38Malakailike saying "Is it possible to fix a car?"
23:04:54orkidsandisk c250 sansa, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda then reboot the sansa....
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23:05:07senabmalakai: doesn't cygwin use DOS line endings anyway?
23:05:41GodEatersenab: I believe it can use either - it's a choice on the install
23:05:43orkidbootloader missing (that's the problem). linux doesn't recognize it as a storage device, but does see it as a sandisk usb device with 'tango digital media platform'
23:06:05gotthardtsenab: you can tell cygwin which ending to use
23:06:10Malakaii think it's fine with dos endings. I think the CVS client I used auto converted the line endings, because I can open up configure in notepad and it's acting like dos line endings
23:06:20gotthardtif you want to change them go back to the setup prog and rerun
23:06:40GodEaterI think that'll be the problem then
23:06:57Malakaii'll look at the setup
23:07:12senabmalakia type the command 'mount'
23:07:14orkidso Malakai? any ideas?
23:07:37senabdoes /usr/bin show up as binmode / text mode?
23:07:39Malakaiyeah, i'm using the default which is unix line endings, and my CVS client is converting line endings to dos
23:07:44***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:07:52Malakaiso i'll re CO the crap with unix line endings
23:07:56Malakaithen configure should work
23:08:03senabfingers crossed
23:08:13Malakaiorkid: don't know any details on Sansa stuff. Most players have a recovery mode in their firmware
23:08:23Lloreanorkid: This is the wrong place to ask about random MP3 players.
23:08:32Malakaiorkid: or at worse, you remove the harddrive, and boot the player, forcing recover mode (like gigabeats)
23:08:50senabmalakai, i'd personally just use CRLF endings
23:09:02orkidbut the firmware has been wiped from the player's flash memory. i know it's not the right place, but don't know of a bette rone, and forums/googling didn't give much info
23:09:13Malakaii guess if i want to edit files easily on the laptop it'd make more sense
23:09:30Bagderorkid: the sansa recovery mode is in the bootloader, not the firmware
23:09:32Lloreanorkid: Have you tried contacting Sandisk?
23:09:33Bagderso it works even if you've installed rockbox
23:09:33orkidit's a flash only device, wioth th efirmware stored in flash.. and a bootloader in flash too that loads the firmware.
23:09:35senabunless you use a good text editor, my fave on win32 is notepad++
23:09:41LloreanBagder: It's a c250, not an e250
23:09:49Bagderah
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23:09:51*Bagder should learn to read first
23:09:53orkidnope, not yet... 2350 and c250 are quite similar i hear...
23:10:17Lloreanorkid: How is it that you don't know a better place, and haven't yet contacted the one set of people guaranteed to know if there's a recovery mode or not?
23:10:17Malakaii use visual studio any time i'm coding. just more familiar with it.
23:10:31tamacrackeris the root location called Gigabeat or Gigabeat/GBSystem?
23:10:35orkidBagder: the boot loader has been toasted though, and i'm looking for a way to put it back on.
23:10:44Malakaiorkid: pull the flash, boot, then put the flash in. see if it goes into USB mode
23:10:51Lloreantamacracker: "Root" refers to the \ on the device.
23:10:54senabnotepad++ has a batch mode for converting lf −−> crlf iirc
23:11:10Bagderorkid: it seems more than one sansa e200 owner have bricked their units like that...
23:11:10orkidLlorean: 'better place' in terms of community support...
23:11:13Lloreantamacracker: Not in any folders.
23:11:20Bagderat least until MrH's e200tool came
23:11:32Lloreanorkid: Considering this channel has nothing to do with your player, in any way, how is this a "Community" at all related to the c-series?
23:11:32tamacracker /media/GIGABEAT <- yes?
23:11:48Malakaimedia?
23:11:52tamacrackerlinux
23:11:52Lloreantamacracker: I don't have a gigabeat. I would guess yes though.
23:12:03tamacrackerok Llorean :P
23:12:05orkidBagder: yes..... Rockbox being an alternative mp3 player OS with support being looked into for teh sansa e and c series, i thought it might be a place that people know something about it's workings.
23:12:07Malakaii have a gigabeat, what are you trying to do?
23:12:12tamacrackerMalakai
23:12:15tamacrackerbasically i use linux
23:12:21orkidLlorean:
23:12:21orkidave wiped firmware from my Sansa e130. Is there any chance to run this ...
23:12:21orkidwww.livedigitally.com/2005/06/27/sandisk-sansa-e130-the-micro-version-of-the-ipod-mini/ - 318k - Cached - Similar pages
23:12:31senabkubuntu should automatically mountpoint it to /media/****
23:12:38tamacrackerim about to install the rockbox onto my f series
23:12:47tamacrackeryeah cool senab :D
23:12:57Lloreanorkid: Support has only been worked on for the e2xx series. Honestly, contact sandisk first.
23:13:07Malakaiahh. if /media/ is the 'root' for the Gigabeat drive, then yes, /media/GBSYSTEM is where the FW images go
23:13:17tamacrackerso I wasn't sure if it needs to go to Gigabeat or Gigabeat/GBSystem
23:13:17Malakaier /FWIMG
23:13:17orkidnvm, the paste is dumb.
23:13:27Lloreanorkid: The c-series isn't even listed on our page as a potential in-development port other than someone suggesting it in the forums. This is not a random hardware support channel.
23:13:28Bagderorkid: really, you should ask sandisk first anyway
23:13:28orkidnvm mind then. i'll go research elsewhere....
23:13:41orkidtx anyway.
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23:13:49Malakai<your virtual root>/GBSYSTEM/FWIMG/
23:13:51tamacrackerMalakai it would be /media/Gigabeat/GBSystem
23:13:55tamacrackerok cool
23:13:55*Llorean wonders why people are so averse to contacting official support.
23:14:07Malakaiif virtual root = /media/Gigabeat/ then yes.
23:14:17Malakaii'm just saying, on the GB itself, there is no 'gigabeat' dir.
23:14:21LloreanI mean, yes, there's like 5 hours of hold time, but it's a good chance to get some reading done.
23:14:32GodEaterhehe
23:14:37tamacracker /media/Gigabeat/GBSystem <- that's exactly what it looks like on the address bar
23:14:38Mouser_XHeh.
23:14:48LloreanMalakai: He mentions a GBSYSTEM under Gigabeat.
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23:15:05Malakaiyeah, and under GBSYSTEM is /FWIMG
23:15:05Lloreantamacracker: Extract rockbox.zip in /Media/Gigabeat then
23:15:13tamacracker /media/GIGABEAT/GBSYSTEM/FWIMG
23:15:14Malakaiwith 3 .DAT files.
23:15:21Malakaiback'm up
23:15:25Malakaireplace the one
23:15:29Malakaiinstall rockbox
23:15:30Malakaigood to go
23:16:42MalakaiBTW, swaping the line ending defaulgt mode in CYGWIN allowed the configure sh to execute appropriately
23:17:01senabgood stuff
23:17:03tamacrackerok back up FWIMG00.DAT, 01.DAT, 02.DAT
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23:17:24Lloreantamacracker: Read the manual, it has a fairly clear step by step.
23:17:27Malakaiyou'd think CYGWIN would have some sort of auto-line-ending-dection in like FREAD
23:17:41tamacrackeri am but Malakai just changed a step.
23:17:47senabive never been a big fain of cygwin anyway
23:17:48Lloreantamacracker: Use the manual then.
23:18:07Malakaiuse the manual, i'm just giving you the gist.
23:18:26Bagdergeez
23:18:33Bagder... that new sansa posting in the forum
23:18:35tamacrackeryou don't extract the .zip file onto the /Media/Gigabeat, instead it's /Media/Gigabeat/GBSystem/FWIMG
23:18:45*Bagder gets a headache by just trying to read it
23:19:14senabi wouldn't extract straight to the player anyway, it'll take ages
23:19:45LloreanBagder: I already erased it and sent him a PM.
23:19:50Bagderthanks
23:19:56Malakaiwhat zip? the rockbox zip?
23:20:03*scorche must have missed it
23:20:05tamacrackeryeah
23:20:15Malakaiextract that to the players ROOT
23:20:17MalakaiNOT GBSYSTEM
23:20:18Lloreantamacracker: Rockbox.zip extracts in /Media/Gigabeat
23:20:28Lloreantamacracker: /Media/Gigabeat is the root of the player.
23:20:35tamacrackeroh i thought i needed to do it onto the FWIMG folder lol
23:20:43tamacrackeryeah Llorean that's where i got confused.
23:20:47Lloreanscorche: It was BAD. Lots of "z" instead of "the" and "2" instead of "to" and all in bright blue.
23:20:51GodEatershame - I enjoy reading the dumb posts as much as the intelligent ones
23:21:00Malakaidude, right now, if you were smart, you'd backup GBSYSTEM/* and zip it up. cause I get the feeling you don't like to read instructions
23:21:00GodEatercan we start a hall of shame ? :D
23:21:00*scorche shudders
23:21:10LloreanGodEater: It wasn't dumb so much as "completely disregarding all manner of guidelines"
23:21:28GodEateroh I like reading them too - and the follow up flames :)
23:21:28tamacrackerMalakai I'm reading lol
23:21:33tamacrackerI thought the instructions changed
23:21:34senabhaha damn ive missed it
23:21:36tamacrackercuz you mentioned something else.
23:21:50LloreanBagder: At least Sandisk can claim having provided us several hundred dollars worth of aid. I'm sure that makes them feel the warm fuzzies.
23:22:02Bagderyeah
23:22:27scorcheand they can claim that they got advertising for geeks on the cheap
23:22:33senabjust looking at some of the 'new ports', rockbox for java???? gps hardware???
23:22:41Malakaionly time you need to be in GBSYSTEM is to backup the GBSYSTEM/FWIMG01.DAT (original bootloader) and then add the new RockBox bootloader in the same direcytor.
23:22:41BagderI can offer a fun quote:
23:22:44Bagder"It would be great to see Rockbox.org release something by September"
23:22:56Mikachuaren't the 3.0 bugs fixed yet? you guys suck
23:22:59GodEaterwho was that from ?
23:23:01scorchesenab: look in the plugins section for a doom 3 request...
23:23:02Bagder(from my contact, dated august 2nd)
23:23:07Malakaiarg, i meant GBSYSTEM/FWIMG/FWIMG01.dat
23:23:09GodEaterah
23:23:18senabyou're joking? lol
23:23:30GodEaterdid he mean Sept. 2006 ? :)
23:23:48tamacrackerunderstood Malakai
23:23:56scorchesadly, im not
23:23:56BagderGodEater: yes
23:23:57senabn64 emulator?
23:23:57LloreanBagder: My response would've been "I feel we can offer some assurance of a September release if we are provided with adequate documentation of these chips: (list)"
23:24:16Lloreansenab: Clearly it's just a matter of renaming a file. (Are you reading that one?)
23:24:21BagderLlorean: I responded in a similar fashion
23:24:24GodEaterMine would have been expect it sometime Sept. 200x
23:24:39Bagderand here's another gem:
23:24:39LloreanBagder: At least you were honest with him about his prospects.
23:24:50Bagder"In our meetings last week with Europe Distis they all knew of you/rockbox.org."
23:24:59Bagderso they know us
23:25:07Bagderdated Oct 12
23:25:08senabLlorean: which one?
23:25:19GodEaterDistis ?
23:25:25Lloreansenab: The N64 one with the guy who was asking which file to rename from an N64 emulator to .rock.
23:25:27senabbadger: they're after you badger, they know where u live lol
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23:25:35Bagder:-)
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23:26:01senabllorean, yep thats the one. apparently the n64 has a 87.4khz cpu
23:26:25GodEaterkhz?!?!
23:26:33GodEatersurely it was more powerful than that!
23:26:36LloreanGodEater: Someone making errors again.
23:26:46drehomepage of rockbox says nano 2nd gen not supported....so is there anything at all i can do to modify my 2nd gen nano that you guys know of?
23:26:51senabits a joke, see: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7685.0
23:27:01Bagderdre: no
23:27:08Mouser_Xdre: No, it doesn't work at all.
23:27:12GodEaterdre: paint it ?
23:27:16Bagderhahaha
23:27:19dreis it because its a flashdrive
23:27:22drethx godeater :)
23:27:31senabsee this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7734.0
23:27:34LloreanGodEater: 93.75mhz
23:27:39senabthis one's made my chuckle
23:27:44senab*me ...
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23:27:57Lloreandre: It's because the firmware's encrypted.
23:27:57Mikachudre: not to make it work with rockbox, except replace it with a first gen nano :)
23:28:10Mouser_Xdre: From earlier (when someone else asked the same thing): <Soap> your problem is a failure to understand that the Nano 2nd generation has as much in common with the Nano 1st generation as it does with a toaster.
23:28:26Mouser_XIn other words, they can't get it working yet.
23:28:41GodEaterand in more words - no-one's even trying
23:28:50LloreanNot here, at least.
23:28:52drethe firmware is encrypted? so if i try to format the drive with windows
23:28:55drei will kill the ipod?
23:29:07tamacrackerhttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ <- does not have toshiba's bootloader
23:29:14tamacrackeri mean for toshiba.
23:29:30Lloreantamacracker: See the manual... there's a link to a wiki page as well, or should be.
23:29:47MalakaiThe bootloader for gigabeat is checked into CVS
23:29:48Lloreandre: iTunes restore should be able to bring it back.
23:29:52senabis the 5.5g 30gb ipod, basically the same as the 5g 30gb hardware wise?
23:29:56Malakaiwhat else needs to happen for the CVS build process to make it?
23:29:56tamacrackerDownload the Rockbox bootloader. Currently there isn’t a prebuild bootloader available and you’ll need to build it yourself. This is described in the wiki. Once a prebuild bootloader is available the link comes here. Have a look at http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/.
23:30:08Malakaineed the encrypter in the rockbox build chain?
23:30:29drei havent done it yet, i just want to know if i have any possible alternative to downloading and isntalling itunes i dont want apple's crap on my pc
23:30:29LloreanBagder: Can we put this http://globelock.mine.nu/rockbox/main-cvs/FWIMG01.DAT gigabeat bootloader up?
23:30:29tamacrackeri need to go the wiki page
23:31:09senabdre: the restore program is only in itunes now afaik
23:31:10Lloreandre: You're better off asking in a place where people actually use the Apple firmware regularly, specifically on 2G nanos.
23:31:26MalakaiLlorean: why not let the gigabeat bootloader auto build?
23:31:37BagderLlorean: done, its now on the download site
23:31:47LloreanMalakai: Bootloaders are usually kept as a static version, so that they can't accidentally be broken.
23:31:58LloreanThis is essential on some hardware that is difficult/impossible to recover from a bad bootloader.
23:32:05drellorean do you mean a forum of some sort? i wouldnt have a clue where to find people who use apple firmware for 2g nano
23:32:16LloreanBut it also allows for consistency, since once you have a working one, you always have one until a new major-version of it.
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23:32:22MalakaiLlorean, gotcha
23:32:22dreor perhaps another irc channel
23:32:24Lloreandre: Try ipodlounge
23:32:52LloreanBagder: Thank you.
23:33:01LloreanMalakai: Just simplifies a whole host of things, really
23:33:02KCChey guys, at this point whats the batterylife like when running rockbox on an f-series gigabeat?
23:33:02Soapyea, the word "supported" is probably the wrong word to use.
23:33:36Mouser_XKCC: I've heard that you can expect at *least* 10 hours, when not using the EQ.
23:33:39LloreanSoap: Supported?
23:33:39Soapshould probably say something like "Ipod 5.5g 80GB and 2nd generation Nano will not work with Rockbox at this time."
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23:33:45Mouser_XKCC: Most likely more.
23:33:48tamacrackerThanks for your help guys :P
23:33:49LloreanAh, yeah.
23:33:58tamacrackeralmost done :D
23:34:01LloreanSupported implies that we just won't help you with it.
23:34:08Soapwhen IPL says "not supported" they mean "works, but don't ask us for support"
23:34:10KCCWow, thats impressive! Why does the EQ drain so much battery?
23:34:23Soapwhen we say "not supported" we mean "does not work"
23:34:30Soapleads to confusion.
23:34:43senabkcc: because it uses cpu cycles draining power
23:34:43scorche...in many cases
23:34:46Mikachuthey imply "supported by us" but you imply "supported by rockbox"
23:34:53Mouser_XKCC: It's all run in software. My guess is that this requires more battery power to run the CPU at a heavier load.
23:35:01SoapKCC - the EQ is in the digital domain and is complex signal processing by the main CPU.
23:35:03KCCok, so if i leave the EQ settings at flat then im good for battylife
23:35:08senabyep
23:35:19Mikachuyou probably want to make sure the EQ is set to Off too
23:35:24KCCwill do
23:35:26senabunless the gigabeat has a hardware eq
23:35:30Malakaisomeone should check gigabeat/GigabeatDecrypter.c">http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/GigabeatDecrypter.c into CVS too before people forget
23:35:43Mikachui think the math in the EQ is more advanced than the actual decoder
23:35:58KCCabout the WPS... there seem to be 2 pages now... one for GigabeatFseries and one for Gigabeat320x240... whats the diff?
23:36:00Malakaigigabeat hardware EQ is bass/treble only
23:36:19LloreanMalakai: Well, that's not considered EQ in Rockbox terms, that's just "The Bass and Treble setting"
23:37:00*Malakai nods
23:37:04LloreanKCC: Where are you referring to?
23:37:16senabokay, i meant like the hw eq in the wolfson dac in the ipod
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23:37:35LloreanMalakai: The iPod Video has a 5-band limited hardware EQ.
23:37:35KCChttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort ... scroll down to "Gigabeat WPS Gallery"
23:37:40tamacrackerFont also goes into the root, yes?
23:37:50senabnope, /.rockbox/fonts/
23:37:53LloreanKCC: One of those two links leads to an offsite gallery
23:38:00tamacrackerthank you senab :D
23:38:14Lloreansenab: When you extract it, it creates .rockbox/fonts if you extract in the root, it has subdirs.
23:38:16senabnp :)
23:38:25Lloreantamacracker: Just make sure the .fnt files end up in /.rockbox/fonts
23:38:32fasmaietamacracker: unzipping fonts in root will put a fonts folder in .rockbox/fonts
23:38:34tamacrackeryep :D
23:38:39MalakaiDo any of the other RockBox targets support screen rotation?
23:38:48Bagderno
23:38:53senabllorean: i didn't know that, i only extract the fonts i want anyway
23:38:57Malakai:(
23:38:57LloreanSoap: Perhaps it could be changed to say "Rockbox does not support the 5.5G 80gb and Nano 2nd Gen"
23:39:08MalakaiNice thing about the original FW for Gigabeat was the ability to switch to horizontal themes
23:39:10BagderMalakai: if anyone did, it wouldn't be that big work we keep mentioning for doing it
23:39:27LloreanMalakai: Yeah, none of them do, but that's not because it's unwanted. Just nobody's done it.
23:39:28MalakaiI guess just the GUI thread really cares about it
23:39:34GodEaterI think we're going to need to write up some special instructions for Vista and iPodpatcher
23:39:42Malakainot like you need to notify people you're changing rotation with an event.
23:39:44LloreanGodEater: Yes: "Don't do it."
23:39:45Mikachuwouldn't it be fairly simple to hack the lcd driver to be permanently rotated?
23:40:05GodEaterLlorean: and how many people pay any attention to instructions like that on our forums ? :)
23:40:07SoapLlorean: I still don't like that usage of the word "support" - I still think it is ambigious.
23:40:08Bagderit would be easy to make it fixed rotated, yes
23:40:23GodEaterI think the chap on the forum with all the hassle is running a foul of vista's protection system
23:40:30LloreanSounds like it.
23:40:32GodEaterI know it's possible to disable it
23:40:36GodEaterbut I can't remember how
23:40:37SoapGodEater: two people in the last 24 hours who explicitly said they read that and thought it ment they should try.
23:40:39Mikachuso you could have two builds and rolo to change rotation maybe?
23:40:50GodEaterhaven't had vista on a PC near me for a couple of months
23:40:55senabhasn't the shell in vista been changed loads?
23:40:55BagderMikachu: not a bad idea really
23:41:07Malakaimik: yuck
23:41:10*Llorean likes the idea of making more use of ROLO.
23:41:10GodEaterit's not to do with the shell senab
23:41:21GodEaterit's to do with the lower level stuff in the OS
23:41:35senabi havn't used vista, so ive got no idea
23:41:36MalakaiROLO no go on GB yet.
23:41:48LloreanSoap: Well suggest it to Bagder, then. I like the idea of clarifying it, and that seems to do so.
23:41:55GodEaterI played with RC2 for a while
23:42:02Lloreansenab: I've got a vista disk coming in eventually, since it was free with a hardware purchase.
23:42:14GodEaterI'm waiting for M$ to wake up and smell the coffee with regards to pricing before I get it here
23:42:22GodEaterit's DOUBLE the price in the UK to the US
23:42:29MikachuLlorean: that is like saying the left shoe comes free with the purchase of the right shoe ;)
23:42:36senabi've just got no incling to get it, very happy with kubuntu recently
23:42:46GodEaterthey can just shove off if they think I'm dropping $800 for something they sell in the USA for $400
23:42:46tamacrackercrap
23:42:56tamacrackerthe rockbox splash screen didn't load
23:43:04senabgodeater, why not make use of the $2 = £1 rate then ;)
23:43:14LloreanMikachu: Well the hardware already had Media Center Edition installed, anyway.
23:43:18GodEatercos amazon won't ship it to the UK
23:43:25GodEaterand nor will anyone else
23:43:56drejeez
23:43:59senabi always though amazon shipped abroad
23:44:12GodEaterthey do generally
23:44:15GodEaterbut not in this case
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23:44:35GodEaterI'm going to get a friend of mine in Miami to ship it to me :)
23:44:47scorcheisnt amazon just a bonch of different companies that just list on amazon anyway?
23:44:53senabi need to get a new laptop anyway, i'll just wait until vista is out then get it oem for free
23:45:04tamacrackerIn my /media/gigabeat/gbsystem/fwimg folder i should have FWIMG00.DAT, FWIMG01.DAT, FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG, and FWIMG02.DAT right?
23:45:12senabamazon is a sort of broker, think dell of books
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23:45:19Lloreanscorche: Amazon has its own warehouses and product too, though
23:45:34Malakaitam: yes, and the FWIMG01.DAT should be what you d/l from rockbox
23:45:37Lloreanscorche: But Microsoft is likely to come down hard on exporting product to a market where it doesn't belong.
23:45:45tamacrackeryeah it is...
23:45:46senabonly a small inventroy though, they mainly order from wholesalers on order
23:45:52scorchehmph
23:45:56Lloreantamacracker: What exactly *do* you get?
23:46:05scorchejust goes to show, it is good to have friends all over the world
23:46:07Malakaimake sure you properly 'eject' the USB device
23:46:15tamacrackerlol my oem toshiba spalsh
23:46:18tamacrackersplash*
23:46:18Malakaior the GB can get stuck in a USB mode and not really load the FW again
23:46:22dreyea considering sony is raping importers like they converted to oldschool islam for ps3
23:46:30tamacrackerMalakai what do you mean?
23:46:37senabmalakai: i always forget to eject ums's lol
23:46:45tamacrackerI took off the power, then the usb, then shut off the mp3 player, then turned it back up
23:46:50tamacrackerup - on
23:46:54Malakaiwell in windows it's the equivalent of dbl click the little icon and 'stoping' the usb mass storage device
23:46:58Malakaibefore you unhook it
23:47:04Soapmight as well download it from some random tracker - you are violating the terms of the license both ways.
23:47:04Malakainot sure the linux equiv
23:47:08senabi know, i still forget lol
23:47:16tamacracker>.> naw i dont think linux you need to do that.
23:47:28senabyes you do
23:47:29tamacrackerthere's mounting and unmounting...
23:47:33tamacrackeryou do?
23:47:33senabsame thing
23:47:39tamacracker<,<
23:47:42Malakaiyou better hope there's no lazy write waiting to flush
23:47:43tamacrackerso i need to unmount it?
23:47:46scorcheumounting rather
23:47:51scorchethere is also eject
23:47:55senabu should, i never do though
23:47:56tamacrackerok <,< hol don
23:48:09Malakaiit's a 'good thing to do' but i agree, it's not always required
23:48:22scorchesenab: you should if you mount it as asynchonous
23:48:24Malakaistill, the GB usb can be flaky. best to follow protocol
23:48:24LloreanIt sounds like you just didn't overwrite the FWIMG01.DAT after all, but I dunno.
23:48:34Mikachunot ejecting tends to confuse the usb stack in linux, at least here..
23:48:45Mikachusometimes a port stops working until i reboot, but the others work fine
23:48:45Bagdernot here
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23:48:49BagderI've never used eject
23:48:52Malakaiwhat's the filesize on FWIMG01.DAT?
23:48:59BagderI just umount
23:49:11senabsometimes i find linux just won't write....at all
23:49:16Mikachui noticed that eject takes proportionally long to finish to the amount of data i wrote
23:49:23Mikachui mean, in addition to umount
23:49:33Soapwrite caching on?
23:49:41Mikachuit says "safe to eject" but still takes a while
23:49:47Mikachuor unplug or whatever
23:49:52senabsoap: nope
23:49:56tamacrackeroh crap i never noticed that
23:50:03tamacrackerright click and click safely remove lol
23:50:27tamacrackernope nothin.
23:50:37Malakaimost OS's are smart enough now not to enable write caching on UMS devices. but still, for awhile many did
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23:50:56Mikachuums devices is a place you really want write caching
23:50:57Mouser_Xtamacracker: What's the filesize of FWIMG01.DAT?
23:51:01tamacrackerhold on
23:51:34Malakaimik: for performance yes, for my grandmother, no.
23:51:36KCChow well does rockboy work on the gigabeatF?
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23:51:49MikachuMalakai: for not breaking the flash too
23:51:59tamacracker63.7kb
23:52:04Mouser_XKCC: I don't know, but someone said they played many GBC games using it on a Gigabeat.
23:52:05Malakaiwell i'm talking HD's, not limited life media
23:52:35tamacrackerFWIMG01.DAT from the bootloader link is 63.7Kbs
23:52:38KCChaha i love rockbox, let me tell ya
23:52:39Mouser_XKCC: That might have changed though. Many plugins seem to be quite flakey with the Gigabeat port of Rockbox.
23:53:05senabi'm not really seeing a battery life increase with the cop patch
23:53:07Mikachuthat's hard for the os to guess
23:53:32Malakaitamacracker: sounds like the right one.
23:53:34dan_asenab: At the moment I thing the gain is about 15 minutes
23:53:48tamacrackerim sure i did everything correct, especially the boot files.
23:54:03senabdan_a: i'd thought it'd be more than that
23:54:10tamacrackerwould the fact that my linux assumes that the .dat file is a mpeg file have anything to do with it?
23:54:34senabno, it shouldnt
23:54:38tamacrackerthought so.
23:54:44Malakaiyou named it FW<I>MG<ZERO>1.DAT?
23:54:51Malakainot 1 and Oh
23:54:51dan_asenab: I thought it would make battery life worse.
23:55:17tamacrackeryeh
23:55:20Malakaias in 'firmware image 1'
23:55:30tamacrackerFW imgae number 01.dat
23:55:39tamacrackeryeah
23:55:41MalakaiYou sure you have a Gigabeat F?
23:55:42Malakaiheh
23:55:44tamacrackerLOL
23:55:45tamacrackeryeah
23:55:47tamacrackerF10
23:55:51Malakaithis doesn't work on Thumb drives.
23:55:57Malakaithey don't have DAC's in them
23:56:09tamacrackerthumb?...
23:56:18Malakaia joke
23:56:19senabdan_a: was the cop just sleeping before then
23:56:21tamacrackeroh
23:56:31tamacrackersorry im kinda lost as to why it's not loading up properly
23:56:52MalakaiYou have a .rock in root?
23:56:59tamacrackeryep
23:57:20tamacracker.rockbox and rockbox.gigabeat
23:57:42senabyou don't then
23:57:48tamacrackeri dont?
23:58:04senaba *.rock is a plugin file
23:58:15dan_aIt was, but it was using full power. I thought it would be powered down, so using it would make battery life worse. I'm going to do some tests to balance things between the two cores, and see what kind of effects I can get
23:58:18tamacracker /media/GIGABEAT <- that's the folder they're in
23:58:20Malakaino i mean .rockbox, was abbreviating
23:58:23Malakaier meant
23:58:45senabooooh, sorry malakai
23:58:51Malakaitamacracker: you followed th einstructions on turring off the battery swithc, and then coming on and holding the power button?
23:58:59tamacrackernope

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