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00:02:37 | dan_a | Which architecture of ARM do the Gigabeats use? There is code for processors which support the pld instruction, but I don't know if that would work on the Gigabeats |
00:03:11 | Bagder | ARM9 |
00:03:20 | Bagder | but I forget the exact one |
00:03:39 | linuxstb | ARM920T |
00:03:46 | preglow | which does little more than the arm7tdmi in the ipod |
00:03:56 | Mikachu | the memcpy.S in linux is written by the same person as the glibc ones |
00:03:58 | preglow | doubt it does pld |
00:04:01 | Mikachu | ( in arch/arm ) |
00:04:14 | preglow | yeah, they looked very similar |
00:04:19 | preglow | i had a look at the linux ones when i did memset |
00:04:21 | Bagder | who is it? |
00:04:40 | Mikachu | preglow: doesn't that make it a derived work? :) |
00:04:42 | Mikachu | Nicolas Pitre |
00:05:16 | Slasheri | hehe, now scrolling on ipod is very fast :) |
00:05:21 | Slasheri | compared to what it was before |
00:05:25 | preglow | Slasheri: what changes have you done? |
00:05:55 | Slasheri | preglow: only the necessary changes are drawn, not the whole screen. And cpu is automatically boosted if there are queued button events |
00:06:20 | linuxstb | So no special acceleration yet? |
00:06:38 | Slasheri | well, just gui optimization |
00:06:39 | Mikachu | performance-faster, not usage-faster |
00:06:58 | Slasheri | what do you mean with usage faster? |
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00:07:43 | Slasheri | Mikachu: with pages scrolling the gui speed feels like it's from another planet now :) |
00:07:52 | Slasheri | *paged |
00:08:06 | JdGordon | hey all |
00:08:17 | preglow | cool, then we just lack better scroll acceleration and it'll be all good |
00:08:27 | * | JdGordon has an idea how to add fluff t the wps without affecting core size :) |
00:08:35 | Slasheri | true. i am planning to have a look on that also :) |
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00:08:47 | preglow | Slasheri: is it commitable? |
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00:09:04 | Slasheri | preglow: soon, still checking for some minor glitches |
00:09:56 | Nico_P | Slasheri: for scroll acceleration there is already a patch too |
00:10:02 | Phalangees | i'm having trouble converting with vlc. i'm getting a few errors. I'm running ubuntu dapper if that helps. I have the codecs for everything. Here are the errors. Any help is appreciated. kyle@LinuxBox:~$ sudo vlc charlie.mpg −−sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=600,width=320,height=240,acodec=mp3,ab=128,samplerate=44100}:std{access-video=file,mux=ps,dst-video=Charles.mpg} |
00:10:02 | Phalangees | VLC media player 0.8.4 Janus |
00:10:02 | Phalangees | [00000274] main private error: no sout stream module matched "transcodesamplerate=44100" |
00:10:02 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Phalangees |
00:10:02 | Phalangees | [00000273] main stream output error: stream chained failed for `transcodesamplerate=44100:stddst-video=Charles.mpg' |
00:10:03 | Phalangees | [00000272] main input error: cannot start stream output instance, aborting |
00:10:04 | Slasheri | preglow: it feels like there is now no gui delay at all when scrolling |
00:10:05 | Phalangees | [00000263] main playlist: nothing to play |
00:10:30 | amiconn | Bagder: Goteater's build server caused red builds... |
00:10:31 | Slasheri | Nico_P: i know.. but i don't like the approach |
00:10:44 | Nico_P | ok |
00:10:45 | Slasheri | Nico_P: i will try something else first |
00:10:54 | Soap | Slasheri: FS? |
00:11:03 | Bagder | yeah, no sh compiler... |
00:11:10 | Slasheri | Soap: hmm? |
00:11:11 | amiconn | And no m68k compiler either |
00:11:14 | Nico_P | JdGordon: what's your idea ? |
00:11:18 | Soap | is this on the tracker? |
00:11:28 | Slasheri | Soap: nope, i will commit it soon |
00:12:14 | Bagder | I've now removed sh and m68k from godeater |
00:12:36 | JdGordon | I want to create a new tsr plugin which will register wps tags and be called when those tags need to be replaced on the screen |
00:13:08 | Bagder | that sounds... complicated |
00:13:23 | Soap | JdGordon: I want to thank you for the colinux enviroment - It is the only solution which works for me. |
00:13:24 | Nico_P | JdGordon: you really want to do a TSR plugin, don't you ? :) |
00:13:37 | amiconn | Slasheri: This boosting on button events doesn't sound like a good idea (unless it's implemented really clever) |
00:13:52 | JdGordon | Soap: :) if you can mainain the image it would be great, ned to remove cvs and add svn |
00:13:53 | amiconn | We don't want to boost/unboost to often, there's a penalty... |
00:13:56 | JdGordon | Nico_P: yeah :D |
00:14:38 | Soap | JdGordon: I was thinking about taking over the maintance. I need to get some hosting. Yea, I added subversion, and just got Samba working really well. |
00:15:17 | JdGordon | Bagder: would you be abl;e to host the colinux images if they are maintained? |
00:15:27 | Bagder | sure |
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00:15:41 | Mikachu | JdGordon: how big is it? |
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00:15:51 | Slasheri | amiconn: i am still working on it |
00:15:54 | JdGordon | ~150mb i tinhk |
00:15:57 | linuxstb | Soap: How did you measure the boost improvement with the memcpy/memmove patch? |
00:16:09 | JdGordon | Soap: there you go :) no need for hosting |
00:16:11 | Mikachu | i can host it too then if you want |
00:16:17 | linuxstb | i.e. what was Rockbox doing, and how long did you measure for? |
00:16:24 | Soap | linuxstb: from the debug screen |
00:16:40 | Soap | linuxstb: ahh - on that front my methodology is rock solid. |
00:16:48 | Bagder | new gigabeat bootloader on the dl site |
00:17:03 | ghost___ | PaulPosition: i tried what you suggested with the tagnavi.config, but it didn't show the entries, just the subordinate menus like "artist a-z" etc... what could i do? |
00:17:06 | JdGordon | anyone like/hate my idea of offloading some of the wps tag handling to a plugin? |
00:17:33 | linuxstb | My first reaction was the same as Bagder's - it sounds complicated... |
00:17:37 | Mikachu | why would you want to do that? |
00:17:47 | Nico_P | JdGordon: it means it's not poissble to use a regular plugin anymore, doesn't it ? |
00:17:50 | Bagder | JdGordon: I've been toying with the idea of simply running a complete plugin instead of the wps, for the case when you want to go wild |
00:17:50 | Mikachu | you'd always have to have the plugin loaded then |
00:18:06 | Soap | boot - launch playlist - wait for buffer to be filled (note buffer fill time) - switch to debug menu/audio thread - wait for two track changes. write down boost percentage at time of second track change. Repeat 3 times per build. |
00:18:22 | Bagder | it would of course require that the plugin api can provide all the info |
00:18:25 | Mikachu | Bagder: but then you have to use -> for everything instead of direct calls, maybe that doesn't matter a lot though |
00:18:44 | Nico_P | that seems smart... the whole WPS as a plugin... |
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00:18:52 | linuxstb | Soap: So it's the boost without any disk activity? |
00:19:17 | JdGordon | Bagder: I thought the idea of a full wps plugin was always goin to b shot down? this would allow stuff which just uses ram (like AA) to be added without much complaint |
00:19:32 | JdGordon | and seen as the wps is not run while a plugin is there wouldnt be any problem |
00:19:48 | Bagder | the AA would still be troublesome |
00:19:50 | JdGordon | the only down side is the playlist viewer uses the plugin ram so a reload would be needed |
00:19:59 | Nico_P | the only drawback i see is having to spin the hard drive to load the WPS |
00:19:59 | JdGordon | why? |
00:19:59 | Soap | linuxstb: correct |
00:20:08 | Bagder | Nico_P: true |
00:20:18 | Soap | linuxstb: 7 minutes of playback since last disk activity. |
00:20:24 | Bagder | JdGordon: because AA should be dealt with by the song loader as well |
00:20:26 | JdGordon | it would only need to spin up if the plugin was unloaded, which it shhuoldnt |
00:20:35 | JdGordon | ok |
00:20:46 | Soap | and the screen was only entered after disk activity, so that doesn't influence the boost % average. |
00:20:46 | Nico_P | JdGordon: what if you load another plugin ? |
00:21:06 | linuxstb | Soap: What % improvements did you get, and which codecs? (refer me to the logs if you posted them here....) |
00:21:12 | JdGordon | the this gets unloaded... but then the disk would have spun anyway |
00:21:43 | JdGordon | also, I would add a tag to check if its loaded, so you could disable the tag if its not |
00:22:20 | Soap | linuxstb: I posted them on the patch tracker. |
00:22:29 | linuxstb | So where would the WPS store its data? Would it need to load and parse the .wps file and bitmaps each time it was opened? |
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00:22:46 | linuxstb | Soap: Thanks, I'll look there. |
00:22:46 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6528 |
00:22:56 | Soap | linuxstb: forgot to mention - mp3. |
00:23:16 | amiconn | Playback is core functionality, and the wps is part of playback imo |
00:23:47 | amiconn | Offloading that to a plugin? Hmm, I'd rather drop wps features than do that... |
00:23:53 | Bagder | amiconn: well, I would of course still want WPS and stuff like today |
00:24:25 | linuxstb | There's nothing stopping someone writing a completely new WPS as a plugin though... |
00:24:26 | Bagder | the wps plugin would extra/custom/config |
00:24:30 | JdGordon | linuxstb: isnt each tag checked for each update currently? and storing would either be in the current place, or the pugin ram |
00:24:39 | Bagder | linuxstb: very true |
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00:25:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: For this to work, the wps would need to be a tsr plugin that is allowed to take over the gui. |
00:25:41 | amiconn | And tsr plugins must not use plugin_get_buffer() |
00:25:54 | amiconn | Otherwise rockbox will crash when using the playlist viewer |
00:26:05 | JdGordon | amiconn: no, im not suggesting remvin wps... add extra tags through a tsr plugin |
00:26:15 | amiconn | Also, the wps plugin would need an interface to enable/disable its gui use |
00:27:01 | Nico_P | on a slightly related note... how does using the plugin buffer to store album art bitmaps sound ? maybe even using it to decode jpegs ? |
00:27:04 | amiconn | What would be possible (an idea of mine) is having a wps with a viewport that is redirected to a plugin |
00:27:15 | [Tesser] | Okay. I need some serious help. Is anyone well-versed with the 5.5g ipod? 'Cause mine refuses to cooperate. |
00:27:18 | amiconn | Thinking oscilloscope in the wps... |
00:27:41 | JdGordon | well, thats similar to what im thinking... but wthout th viewpor |
00:27:49 | JdGordon | it would draw directoly into the lcd buffer.... |
00:28:10 | amiconn | It would still need an interface to stop it from doing so |
00:28:17 | amiconn | (viewport or not) |
00:28:17 | JdGordon | yeah |
00:28:42 | amiconn | The viewports will also draw to the framebuffer |
00:28:51 | JdGordon | well, my idea uses the tags to tel it when to draw, not a background thread |
00:29:01 | dan_a | Is anyone against the ARM optimised memcpy being committed right now? |
00:29:11 | amiconn | JdGordon: Then how would that code be executed? |
00:29:34 | JdGordon | on load, the plugi would register callbacks for each tag it wants to handle |
00:29:34 | Mikachu | call from within the wps parser? |
00:29:39 | JdGordon | yeah |
00:29:46 | amiconn | hmmmmm..... |
00:29:58 | linuxstb | dan_a: Not me. If it's good enough for glibc... |
00:30:25 | dan_a | We can always revert if needed... |
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00:30:25 | * | amiconn thinks the first part that needs to be done is a wps parser rework |
00:30:32 | amiconn | (perhaps even rewrite) |
00:30:44 | Mikachu | maybe only the memcpy one is needed? |
00:30:46 | JdGordon | there has been 2 attempts now to do that hsnt there? |
00:31:05 | gotthardt | anyone here the DAC expert for wm8975 ? |
00:31:22 | gotthardt | on why the code sets the volume twice in a row |
00:31:35 | linuxstb | Is that the 5g? |
00:32:01 | gotthardt | ? im working on the gigabeat and it uses 8971 |
00:32:14 | gotthardt | but we use the 8975 cuz its close |
00:32:32 | gotthardt | i know ipods use 8975 but i dont know which ones |
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00:32:40 | linuxstb | Ah no, the 4g/Color/Nano... |
00:34:02 | gotthardt | i am going to enable zero-crossing on the 8975, but noticed that volume settings are set twice in a row - no comments say why |
00:34:47 | linuxstb | Check the SVN logs, maybe it's just a mistake |
00:34:54 | gotthardt | ok |
00:35:12 | preglow | amiconn: a tokenizer in particular would be nice, that complete reparse per display sounds expensive |
00:36:25 | Nico_P | preglow: what's a tokenizer ? something that stores the WPS in some kind of struct ? |
00:37:01 | thegeek | In computing, a token is a primitive block of a structured text. A token can look like anything: English, gibberish symbols, anything; It just needs to be a useful part of the structured text. Generally, whitespace is ignored, but sometimes it is important and tokenized. |
00:37:15 | thegeek | god bless google and define: |
00:37:31 | thegeek | Anything treated as a single symbol during syntax analysis such as a name, a literal or an operator. |
00:37:34 | preglow | Nico_P: just replace a whole string with an int, for example, so that the string doesn't have to be parsed again |
00:37:48 | Mikachu | wps strings are usually only 3 chars or less anyway |
00:37:49 | preglow | Nico_P: unless i'm mistaken, the entire wps is parsed everytime it's displayed now |
00:37:57 | Mikachu | and anything that isn't a tag is printed anyway |
00:38:02 | preglow | Mikachu: well yeah, but a single compare beats a strcmp |
00:38:08 | preglow | one instruction vs a function call |
00:38:19 | preglow | not that it's done that way, but who knows |
00:38:24 | Mikachu | i think each character is switched on |
00:38:28 | preglow | yeah, probably |
00:38:40 | preglow | strcmping would be pure idiot anyway |
00:38:47 | preglow | anywho |
00:38:50 | Mikachu | but i suspect all static strings like Artist: is redrawn on each update too? |
00:38:53 | preglow | tokens will almost certainly be faster anyway |
00:38:58 | Bagder | indeed |
00:39:00 | preglow | Mikachu: very probably... |
00:39:09 | Nico_P | Mikachu: not sure |
00:39:16 | Mikachu | and the background image memcpy'd into the buffer :) |
00:39:19 | Nico_P | there are flags that indicate what to update |
00:39:22 | linuxstb | gotthardt: It's my own copy-and-paste mistake which has been present since the first commit. The second pair of register writes was originally meant to be setting the volume for the line-out. I think you can safely remove them. |
00:39:25 | Mikachu | ah |
00:39:32 | linuxstb | (we now fix the line-out at 0dB) |
00:39:36 | Mikachu | so it just does clear_rect behind each piece of updated string then? |
00:39:42 | gotthardt | thanks linuxstb |
00:39:55 | gotthardt | is there a archive of all irc? |
00:40:00 | Mikachu | i suppose i could just look |
00:40:02 | gotthardt | in one shot? |
00:40:12 | Nico_P | Mikachu: i don't know much more than what i just said... i just know not everything gets updated each time the WPS is refreshed |
00:41:06 | amiconn | Hmpf |
00:41:36 | Mikachu | Bagder: are links such as this supposed to work yet? http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070113T175308Z.html |
00:41:36 | preglow | gotthardt: why not just google the archive if you're looking for something? |
00:42:01 | Bagder | Mikachu: the link works ;-) but no, I haven't yet populated those with the correct info |
00:42:01 | amiconn | Current svn is broken on mini G2 (and perhaps other ipods): USB is detected, but the mini doesn't switch to disk mode |
00:42:25 | dan_a | It works fine on a 4G greyscale |
00:42:58 | Nico_P | there are two patches in the tracker that rework the WPS parsing |
00:43:18 | Mouser_X | What do they do? |
00:43:23 | Mikachu | heh, gwps-common.o is 28kB |
00:43:34 | * | linuxstb is starting to like the TMS320DSC25 - a dedicated hardware 16-bit byte-swap and bit-swap register. |
00:43:45 | Nico_P | i looks like both implement token based parsing |
00:43:46 | amiconn | dan_a: I am just running a memcpy() speed test on arm with my plugin, using C memcpy() |
00:44:01 | amiconn | I will measure the asm version later |
00:44:09 | dan_a | amiconn: Thank you. |
00:44:24 | preglow | linuxstb: only 16 bit? |
00:44:27 | amiconn | linuxstb: Oh, hardware bitswap! |
00:44:28 | dan_a | Do you want me to hold off committing until we have both results? |
00:44:38 | * | amiconn would like that to be part of the SH1 :/ |
00:44:45 | preglow | not very risc, is it! :-) |
00:45:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: Can you remind me why we need to bitswap for the MAS? Is that likely to be the same on the av3xx? |
00:46:26 | Mikachu | ah yes, the wps only redraws lines that change, but it does clear the whole line |
00:46:44 | amiconn | linuxstb: I don't think so |
00:47:15 | amiconn | The bitswap on SH1 is needed because the MAS (and the MMC in the Ondios) use SPI transfers |
00:47:38 | amiconn | Practically all SPI implementations send MSB first, only the SH1 sends LSB first... |
00:47:45 | JdGordon | Mikachu: each tag is checked tho each update isnt it? |
00:48:04 | amiconn | The SH2 (and higher) have selectable bit order on SPI... |
00:48:05 | linuxstb | Ah, so it's a feature of the SH1. |
00:48:15 | amiconn | Haha, a feature, yes... :/ |
00:48:16 | Mikachu | it looks like each line is checked for marked as scrolling or refresh, etc, and if so it proceeds to parse tags |
00:48:21 | Mikachu | otherwise i think it skips the whole line |
00:48:30 | Mikachu | but it's like 6000 lines, i might have skipped something important :) |
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00:49:56 | preglow | 6000 lines for the wps parser??? |
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00:51:27 | JdGordon | yeah, gwps-common.c is horrible :p |
00:51:44 | JdGordon | 2600 lines... not 60000 |
00:52:02 | Mikachu | felt like 6000 |
00:52:07 | JdGordon | haha |
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00:59:46 | preglow | oooh, the dac can wait for zero crossings |
00:59:47 | preglow | fancy |
00:59:57 | Nico_P | JdGordon, Mikachu: are you looking at the wps tokenizer patches ? |
00:59:58 | preglow | though not as cool as just ramping the volume |
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01:00:06 | JdGordon | Nico_P: no |
01:00:15 | Mikachu | no i was just looking at the code |
01:00:44 | Nico_P | Mikachu: the current wps code ? |
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01:01:11 | * | amiconn was a little puzzled about his speed test results |
01:01:30 | dan_a | amiconn: why? |
01:01:33 | amiconn | It's just the data cache size influence |
01:02:07 | amiconn | One very big copy (1x 5000000 bytes) is slower that copying 4883x 1024 bytes |
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01:02:42 | dan_a | hmmm... do we have any profile for what sort of copies Rockbox does? |
01:03:06 | amiconn | That was with teh C version |
01:03:20 | amiconn | ...but it's normal for all implementations I'd say |
01:04:26 | preglow | why does that puzzle you? |
01:05:05 | amiconn | Only a little... because it's the first time that I observed such behaviour |
01:05:23 | preglow | ahh, you haven't benched arm mem* before? |
01:05:29 | amiconn | nope |
01:05:34 | amiconn | Only SH1 and coldfire |
01:05:35 | preglow | right, then i get it |
01:07:13 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, why do manual/ commits trigger a rebuild now? |
01:09:25 | preglow | amiconn: i've figured out why cuts worked so badly with the first order shelving filter already in rockbox, btw, and i suspect it'll work nicely for treble/bass controls once i solve it |
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01:09:54 | amiconn | Is there a bug in the filter code itself? |
01:10:06 | preglow | amiconn: what made you change your mind about not doing treble/bass in software if not available in hardware, btw? |
01:10:15 | preglow | amiconn: it's a quirk in the way i designed the filter, more like a math problem |
01:10:22 | amiconn | aha |
01:10:28 | [Tesser] | Anyone know why my Rockbox bootloader would hang, while thinking I only had 7130MB on my 3gb drive? |
01:10:54 | Mikachu | only? i would say that is quite a lot on a 3GB drive |
01:11:02 | amiconn | haha |
01:11:03 | [Tesser] | Damn 0 key |
01:11:11 | [Tesser] | s/3gb/30gb |
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01:13:11 | amiconn | preglow: Mainly that one does need some sort of tone control when listening with phones at a non-deafening volume level (because of fletcher-munson), and using the eq is sorta overkill just for this purpose |
01:13:27 | [Tesser] | I've got nothin'. I've had read/write problems since I tried out a new loader, new rockbox, et cetera. I went back to what worked the first time (Psiuyo's Dec 28th build for 5.5g) and it's hung. Nothing doing. |
01:13:37 | amiconn | Plain treble and bass controls are easier to use, and if it also saves cpu power, it's even better |
01:14:05 | preglow | should save some amount of cpu, yes |
01:14:23 | preglow | both treble and bass controls combined should be about the same complexity as one eq band |
01:14:41 | amiconn | Is that also true for coldfire? |
01:14:44 | preglow | yes |
01:15:06 | amiconn | (because the X5 would also benefit from this) |
01:15:12 | preglow | but, there's one problem |
01:15:16 | preglow | we'll probably need a prescaler for boosts |
01:15:22 | preglow | to avoid clipping |
01:15:25 | amiconn | yes |
01:15:34 | preglow | this issue is already there in the eq too, i don't know why we've never dealt withit |
01:15:48 | amiconn | The hw treble/bass deals with it |
01:15:57 | preglow | hmm, yes, we do have a prescaler there :> |
01:16:02 | preglow | it's just manual |
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01:16:54 | amiconn | The hw treble/bass code prescales (on targets where it's needed), and shadows that by boosting output volume |
01:17:18 | preglow | ah, so we still do that |
01:17:32 | preglow | so the only behaviour we removed was the limiting if prescale was not possible? |
01:17:38 | * | dan_a goes to bed |
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01:17:45 | preglow | dan_a: gnite |
01:17:48 | amiconn | ...unless the output volume is already at maximum, then it reduces prescaling (possibly causing clipping) |
01:18:19 | preglow | yes, which is good |
01:18:35 | preglow | should we attempt to duplicate that for sw treb/bass controls, then? |
01:18:50 | preglow | the prescale i can do for free in the filter |
01:18:55 | amiconn | This is done (at least, to my knowledge) for UDA1380 (irivers) and DAC3550 (archos player) |
01:19:27 | amiconn | The MAS3587 and MAS3539 handles that internally, in some not described way |
01:20:10 | amiconn | The TLV320 (X5) doesn't have tone control, and afaik that's also true for the various WM codecs except the 8758 |
01:20:40 | amiconn | (which has that hardware eq which seems to be incomplete) |
01:21:03 | preglow | so i'll just need to find a way to specify the cutoff frquency in terms of half-amplitude points |
01:21:08 | preglow | and we're good to go |
01:22:51 | [Tesser] | linuxstb, can I bother you for a second? |
01:23:21 | Mikachu | is that a trick question? |
01:23:31 | [Tesser] | Well, I'm sure I'll succeed. |
01:23:42 | [Tesser] | I guess the real question is "may I" |
01:24:10 | [Tesser] | Or anyone who could help me undestand how ipod MBR functions. |
01:24:10 | Alonea | ok, I have a friend with an ipod and I was trying to see if his is supported. He said its a second gen nano. I only see first gen nano, so thus it is not supported, correct? |
01:24:29 | preglow | indeed |
01:24:41 | preglow | it's not even close to being supported, i'm afraid |
01:25:18 | Alonea | ok, I will tell him. I swear there are too many different versions of ipod...@@ |
01:25:43 | preglow | the nano2g is _a lot_ more different to nano1g than it looks |
01:25:47 | preglow | the internals are completely different |
01:25:58 | linuxstb | [Tesser]: What's your question? |
01:26:00 | preglow | and this time too, all documentation is secret |
01:26:07 | preglow | pleasing us no end |
01:26:14 | linuxstb | Plus the encryption... |
01:26:32 | Mikachu | plus the pink color |
01:26:33 | [Tesser] | linuxstb, if I used a utility that hacked my MBR, would that carry over after an iTues restore? |
01:26:42 | Insectoid | I've been sitting in make voice for about an hour now without any changes. The last I saw was it running the script. Is this normal? |
01:27:02 | linuxstb | [Tesser]: I doubt it, but I don't use itunes, and don't know what it does when it restores. |
01:27:30 | [Tesser] | I'm just having major issues, and the things that used to work no longer do. |
01:27:37 | linuxstb | We have copies of most of the MBRs from unmodified ipods here: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ if you need one. |
01:28:00 | linuxstb | (FAT32 formatted ipods, obviously) |
01:28:06 | [Tesser] | Right. |
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01:28:46 | [Tesser] | Does MBR = FW or is it a separate thing? |
01:29:06 | preglow | completely separate |
01:29:25 | preglow | the mbr is a 512 byte sector at the very start of the disk |
01:29:42 | [Tesser] | Okay, I thought so. |
01:29:50 | [Tesser] | How do I dd that back in? |
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01:30:07 | [Tesser] | The MBR bin. |
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01:30:39 | * | amiconn wonders why the latest commit doesn't show up on the frontpage |
01:30:46 | [Tesser] | Do I seek=1? |
01:31:37 | Insectoid | You um |
01:31:41 | Insectoid | use ipodpatcher |
01:32:25 | [Tesser] | Oh. Any particular arguements? |
01:33:16 | [Tesser] | I don't really see how that would work, though, Insectoid . |
01:33:27 | Insectoid | Um |
01:33:31 | Mikachu | [Tesser]: just cat file > /dev/sda |
01:33:31 | Insectoid | is it -d? |
01:34:11 | [Tesser] | Thanks Mikachu . Sorry for being a noob. |
01:34:23 | Mikachu | you can use dd too, but it just makes the command longer :) |
01:35:49 | [Tesser] | SWEET! I think that may have worked. |
01:40:36 | * | JdGordon loves it when code works first go :D |
01:40:52 | JdGordon | well... compile first go anway :p |
01:42:38 | JdGordon | Bagder: why are some targets being built more than once? |
01:42:56 | JdGordon | haha, woops, im a dill |
01:42:57 | JdGordon | ignore me |
01:44:41 | amiconn | wow |
01:44:50 | amiconn | dan_a: This memcpy is pretty damn fast |
01:44:58 | preglow | numbers, please |
01:45:00 | Mikachu | 5 |
01:45:03 | preglow | another! |
01:45:13 | Mikachu | i can't think of any! |
01:45:16 | | Part redwood |
01:45:21 | preglow | me neither, i have to ask people for them |
01:45:40 | preglow | ooh, i gleaned 1 and 4 from the current time! |
01:45:47 | preglow | i still feel some of them are missing |
01:46:15 | puetzk | 17 |
01:46:22 | puetzk | it's the most random number, after all |
01:46:23 | preglow | one can combine them?? |
01:46:53 | amiconn | There are some cases where it's slower, this is (1) for data lengths of 0 and 1 byte, and (2) for length==16 with both src and dest 32bit-aligned |
01:46:55 | JdGordon | ...and the supplements, 6 and 19, hope your numbers came up, see you next week on lotto |
01:47:35 | preglow | amiconn: well, the first are to be expected anyway |
01:47:39 | preglow | and the second is no surprise either |
01:47:45 | preglow | though more so than the first |
01:48:37 | amiconn | For very large blocks (larger than the cache), the aligned case is ~10% faster than in C, and the 15 unaligned cases are almost 4 times faster than in the C version, and only ~15% slower than the aligned case |
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01:49:24 | Insectoid | Anyone get the Piezo patch to work on a recent build? |
01:49:50 | amiconn | With blocks in the KB range which fit in the cache, it performs best: 2.4 times as fast for aligned and ~7.5 times as fast for the unaligned cases |
01:50:07 | preglow | that's not bad at all |
01:50:48 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, why do you think (1) is to be expected? |
01:51:57 | preglow | amiconn: since it's a seldomle seen case, it's bound to not be checked for explicitely, but rather just eliminated via the ordinary code path |
01:52:00 | amiconn | On coldfire and SH1 this doesn't happen for any asm mem* function |
01:52:01 | preglow | seldomly |
01:52:14 | preglow | the same happens with the memset |
01:52:51 | amiconn | I agree that len==0 is a rare case, but len==1 is not |
01:53:11 | preglow | hmm |
01:53:15 | preglow | i'd expect it to be |
01:53:27 | amiconn | My in-the-works version for coldfire takes special care for short copies |
01:53:37 | Mikachu | if there are places that call memset with length==1, isn't it better to add the check to them? |
01:53:46 | preglow | i'd pretty much say so |
01:54:19 | amiconn | Not only 1 but also other short lengths |
01:54:19 | Mikachu | would be nice if a function could have two entry points |
01:55:12 | preglow | amiconn: have you looked at the libc memset? the one i commited is from linux, and modified to work according to c specs |
01:57:41 | Nico_P | JdGordon: you working on your WPS extension TSR plugin ? |
01:59:57 | JdGordon | Nico_P: yes, ive just finished the part which handles it in the core |
02:00 |
02:00:33 | Nico_P | do you already have some extensions in mind ? things your plugin would add to the WPS ? |
02:01:52 | JdGordon | not reeally, Id like to add a kareokea display, ill probably add your status bar patch as the tsr as a demo |
02:01:58 | * | amiconn has no idea where to find that |
02:02:15 | Mikachu | download glibc, ls :) |
02:03:43 | preglow | i thought you'd already looked at them |
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02:04:47 | amiconn | I looked at newlib |
02:05:02 | amiconn | Iirc newlib didn't have asm optimised memcpy for coldfire |
02:05:41 | preglow | what is newlib? :> |
02:05:56 | Mikachu | preglow, amiconn: http://mikachu.ath.cx/glibc-arm-memset.S |
02:06:13 | preglow | Mikachu: l33t |
02:06:21 | Nico_P | JdGordon: my status bar patch ? i think you've got the wrong person ;) |
02:06:28 | Mikachu | it was apparently not in the main glibc archive, but in glibc-ports |
02:06:46 | preglow | looks much smaller than the one we already have |
02:06:49 | preglow | also, it doesn't use stm |
02:06:56 | Mikachu | is stm good or bad? |
02:07:03 | puetzk | http://sources.redhat.com/newlib/ |
02:08:33 | preglow | stm is good |
02:08:42 | preglow | multiple stores in one instruction |
02:08:54 | Mikachu | ah, asm and those cryptic acronyms |
02:08:54 | preglow | they probably want to avoid using the stack |
02:09:07 | JdGordon | Nico_P: bah, progress bar |
02:09:14 | Nico_P | ah yes |
02:09:21 | Nico_P | the y-coord one ? |
02:09:25 | JdGordon | yeah |
02:09:40 | JdGordon | maybe... i dunno... i had more ideas for it when i tohught it up at 2am last night ;p |
02:09:46 | Nico_P | actually i think this one should get commited, considering how small it is |
02:09:53 | JdGordon | :) |
02:10:20 | * | JdGordon wanst to strip all the fluff out of the core wps... only keep tex drawing tags |
02:10:30 | JdGordon | wants* |
02:10:30 | Nico_P | even LinusN was in favor of it's inclusion... |
02:10:39 | Nico_P | s/it's/its |
02:10:56 | drklabyrinth | hi everyone |
02:11:04 | JdGordon | breaky time... bbl |
02:11:07 | drklabyrinth | asta |
02:11:26 | drklabyrinth | so, where do i get Rockbox for the fifth gen video? |
02:11:57 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org |
02:12:16 | drklabyrinth | is it ever going to be available for the 5.5g? |
02:12:26 | preglow | it is, if you don't have the 80 gig one |
02:12:29 | linuxstb | It's available for the 30GB 5.5g. |
02:12:34 | preglow | 80? 60? |
02:12:47 | drklabyrinth | 30 gig |
02:12:57 | drklabyrinth | curses to being a n00b |
02:13:09 | preglow | then hooray, you can use rockbox right now |
02:13:12 | drklabyrinth | m'kay, which version do i want? |
02:13:44 | drklabyrinth | nvm |
02:13:48 | preglow | the 5gen ipod one |
02:13:50 | preglow | afaik |
02:14:06 | drklabyrinth | is it possible to save my firmware now |
02:14:11 | drklabyrinth | in case i ever decide to go back to it |
02:14:23 | Mikachu | you will still have it afterwards |
02:14:25 | Mikachu | you can dualboot |
02:14:29 | drklabyrinth | oh very nice |
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02:14:43 | drklabyrinth | and is it compatable with itunes? |
02:14:47 | drklabyrinth | or is it manual |
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02:14:56 | Mikachu | you can do it either way |
02:14:56 | drklabyrinth | upload music manually |
02:15:01 | drklabyrinth | nice |
02:15:19 | drklabyrinth | is it possible to make your own graphics for it? |
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02:16:04 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
02:16:12 | drklabyrinth | thank you |
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02:17:17 | drklabyrinth | is there an installation tutorial? |
02:18:00 | Genre9mp3 | hehe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM |
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02:20:11 | Febs_ | drklabyrinth: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
02:20:54 | nixphoeni | Bagder: to use your cutit program to extract the original sansa firmware, do i have to mount sda2? |
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02:22:49 | drklabyrinth | i got the pdf instead |
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02:23:25 | drklabyrinth | for windows you go start>my computer>Ipod(designated name) and extract them all to there right? |
02:23:35 | Febs_ | Genre9mp3: did you read the comments? "Something makes me think that this isn't a real commercial." |
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02:24:21 | Febs_ | drklabyrinth: no. |
02:24:27 | Febs_ | That's not what the manual says at all. |
02:24:28 | Mikachu | youtube comments are the lowest level of human life |
02:25:26 | Genre9mp3 | Febs_: haha! didn't bother with the comments |
02:26:44 | drklabyrinth | "Note that the entire contents of the .zip file should be extracted directly to the root of your players drive." |
02:27:59 | drklabyrinth | then where do i put it |
02:28:03 | Febs_ | OK, my mistake. The *firmware* is extracted to the root of your player. The bootloader and ipodpatcher files are downloaded to your computer. |
02:28:11 | drklabyrinth | allright |
02:28:15 | drklabyrinth | thank you |
02:28:39 | preglow | Mikachu: competing heavily with slashdot comments, though |
02:29:10 | Mikachu | heh, those are generally a bit smarter at least |
02:29:44 | preglow | yes, but the tendency to regurgitate bad jokes makes up for it |
02:30:08 | Mikachu | i was bored earlier today and browsed around on /b/ on 4chan for a few minutes |
02:30:15 | Mikachu | they have that regurgitating down to an art |
02:30:19 | [Tesser] | Hey, I'm getting a "bad bootsector signature" trying to use ipodpatcher |
02:31:10 | drklabyrinth | curses |
02:31:25 | drklabyrinth | how do you navigate to the desktop via command prmpt? |
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02:32:29 | webguest75 | My Ipod with Rockbox installed doesnt show up when its connected to my computer. It does however show the USB on the screen. Any help? |
02:32:43 | webguest75 | Do I have to do anyhting first? |
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02:32:57 | drklabyrinth | if someone answered that |
02:33:01 | drklabyrinth | wanna retype it? |
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02:33:40 | Alonea | drklabyrinth: its C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator (or whatever user name you are usings)\Desktop |
02:33:44 | Alonea | thats the address |
02:33:57 | DataGhost | gambling is goooooood |
02:34:05 | DataGhost | http://dataghost.com/uurloon.php |
02:34:06 | DataGhost | :) |
02:34:58 | DataGhost | too bad it wasn't real money though, that would've been great :P |
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02:35:11 | Alonea | drklabyrinth: you can double check the address by going into my computer and following the folder trail. But that is the general path |
02:35:58 | drklabyrinth | that is the right path |
02:36:06 | drklabyrinth | but cmdprmpt is being a not nice person |
02:36:45 | Alonea | you using cygwin? you could always move your files to a nicer place. |
02:36:46 | drklabyrinth | "is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file |
02:36:56 | drklabyrinth | the directory it is in is |
02:37:13 | drklabyrinth | C:\Documents and Settings\Admin\Desktop\Rockbox |
02:37:20 | drklabyrinth | but it wont navigate to there |
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02:38:17 | Alonea | desktop really isn't a good place to put stuff in. lets see, you try backing all the way out to c and then go in? |
02:38:18 | webguest75 | My Ipod with Rockbox installed doesnt show up when its connected to my computer. It does however show the USB on the screen. Any help? |
02:38:30 | drklabyrinth | no |
02:38:37 | drklabyrinth | i've never used Cmdprmpt before |
02:38:46 | drklabyrinth | i dont know how to move to different directories |
02:38:57 | Alonea | drklabyrinth: again, are you using the msdos thing or cygwin? |
02:39:13 | drklabyrinth | MSDOS |
02:39:22 | Alonea | ok, its generally the same |
02:39:45 | Alonea | to backup it is "cd.." or "cd .." |
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02:40:24 | Alonea | so, if you are in C, then try cd documents and settings. You might have to use underscores. dont remember. lemme load mine real quick |
02:40:45 | Insectoid | So, I got the latest version of the piezo patch for Ipod 5g from flyspray. Got it patched in although I had to replace one bit no... cd Doc <tab> |
02:40:46 | fejfighter | no underscores |
02:40:56 | Insectoid | it's cd Doc <tab> |
02:40:57 | Insectoid | ... |
02:40:58 | fejfighter | just need capitals |
02:41:01 | Insectoid | but any |
02:41:03 | Insectoid | anyway |
02:41:23 | webguest75 | Drlabyrinth, downloaad this http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/Install/2/WXP/EN-US/CmdHerePowertoySetup.exe |
02:41:25 | Insectoid | I got it all patched and now I hit a key, and it definitely works. It won't stop clicking! |
02:41:51 | webguest75 | this allows you to open cmd prompt on any folder, just right click the rockbox folder, and it automatically starts from thier |
02:41:56 | Mikachu | Insectoid: i would classify that as not work |
02:42:14 | Insectoid | Hey. I know it's using Piezo correctly |
02:42:19 | * | Insectoid grins |
02:42:43 | Alonea | hmm, muy cmd automatically starts in the administrator folder... |
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02:42:56 | Insectoid | What's the problem s/he's having? |
02:43:12 | drklabyrinth | ty webguest |
02:43:22 | webguest75 | Alonea, with the program downloaded, (a Windows powertoy program) it allows you to start on the folder |
02:43:25 | webguest75 | no problem |
02:43:27 | Insectoid | Damn it I need this Piezo so I know if I'm over a folder that doesn't have a talk clip. |
02:43:27 | Mikachu | a preference to write questions to reading answers |
02:43:58 | webguest75 | Im still in a pickle however, my comps not reconizing my mini once I installed Rockbox |
02:44:36 | webguest75 | Is thier any settings to change, or is it simpley, plug in, and it reconizes it? I |
02:44:42 | Alonea | webguest75: Oh, I heard you. I am just not having any problems moving in and out of directories with the windows cmd prompt. |
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02:45:07 | webguest75 | i know, but its alot easier with that |
02:45:10 | Insectoid | New Zealander |
02:45:13 | * | Insectoid waves |
02:45:28 | * | combrains waves back |
02:45:34 | Insectoid | Wow. That's really really really annoyingly clickingish |
02:46:17 | combrains | where in NZ Insectoid? |
02:46:42 | Insectoid | Pssst nowhere nowhere. |
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02:46:54 | Insectoid | Unless somebody picked up Florida and threw it over there. |
02:47:10 | * | Insectoid grins |
02:47:29 | combrains | oic - sorry did i cut in the middle of another conversation? |
02:47:40 | drklabyrinth | ok, i got to where it says ipodpatcher [device] -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
02:47:51 | drklabyrinth | i used device 1 in the parenthasis |
02:48:10 | Mikachu | you're not supposed to write the actual [] |
02:48:18 | Insectoid | just |
02:48:41 | Insectoid | ipodpatcher 1 -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
02:49:06 | drklabyrinth | ty |
02:49:18 | Insectoid | No problem. |
02:49:26 | drklabyrinth | this voids the warrenty correct? |
02:49:36 | Mikachu | i don't think it's been to court yet |
02:49:37 | Insectoid | It shouldn't |
02:49:44 | Insectoid | It's very easy to reverse |
02:49:58 | Mikachu | the issue is if it breaks before you revert it... |
02:50:01 | Insectoid | If you break your Ipod, though, |
02:50:08 | Insectoid | remove it before you send it back |
02:50:13 | * | Insectoid gestures vaguely. |
02:50:20 | drklabyrinth | m'kay |
02:50:26 | drklabyrinth | so now it dual boots |
02:50:31 | drklabyrinth | does it always choose rockbox? |
02:50:31 | Insectoid | Righto |
02:50:45 | Insectoid | Yeah unless you hold down .. . um no. unless you turn on hold switch at boot |
02:51:00 | drklabyrinth | ok |
02:51:09 | drklabyrinth | i think rockbox is alot better than ipodwizard |
02:51:13 | drklabyrinth | better support |
02:51:15 | * | drklabyrinth grins |
02:51:38 | * | Insectoid grins |
02:51:48 | scorche | ipodwizard isnt a replacement firmware...there is no competition.... |
02:52:20 | drklabyrinth | does this drain alot of your battery? |
02:52:22 | drklabyrinth | rockbox? |
02:52:27 | Insectoid | Yes. |
02:52:53 | Insectoid | I've found it to be less efficient with battery usage than the regular firmware. But I'll take that any day. |
02:53:11 | drklabyrinth | how much less efficient? |
02:53:25 | Insectoid | Shrugs −− I've only had my Ipod for a week. |
02:53:38 | drklabyrinth | AHHH!!!! |
02:53:43 | drklabyrinth | WHERES MY MUSIC!!! |
02:53:51 | Insectoid | Oh −− you'll have to turn on the database |
02:53:54 | Alonea | well, I have a gigabeat, dont remember what it was before, but I still get a good 10-14 hours. |
02:54:23 | Insectoid | I'd like a Gigabeat s. |
02:54:35 | Insectoid | But it won't talk so grr. |
02:55:29 | Insectoid | Would it be possible to switch voices for the same language? Maybe just make a copy of the english lng file, call it english2.lng, then make an english2.voice? |
02:55:36 | Insectoid | with a different synth |
02:55:52 | drklabyrinth | m'kay |
02:55:57 | drklabyrinth | is there a tut on installing gfx |
02:56:03 | drklabyrinth | and turning on databases? |
02:56:08 | Insectoid | the manual |
02:56:16 | Insectoid | It'll be like section ... 4. |
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02:58:26 | Insectoid | Which one of the big bad developer dudes can I hold at gunpoint and demand Flite out of? I found a version compiled and working on arm, all yummy with source and things. |
02:58:54 | preglow | floats? |
02:59:02 | preglow | it needs to be fixed point to be of any use to us |
02:59:07 | preglow | some arms have fpus, we don't |
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02:59:53 | Insectoid | It was running with ipodlinux |
03:00 |
03:00:16 | Insectoid | So yeah, I'd assume fixed point |
03:02:05 | Alonea | Insectoid: there is a place for feature requests |
03:02:33 | Insectoid | I'm wondering about feasibility before I go submitting a request. |
03:04:02 | scorche | what is flite? |
03:04:18 | puetzk | scorche, a cut-down synth engine for festival text-to-speec voices |
03:04:27 | scorche | ah |
03:05:13 | puetzk | it's compatible with festvox, but pure C, instead of a C++/lisp mix, and all the voicing data structures precompiled instead of parsed at runtime |
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03:05:34 | puetzk | however, cut-down is still floating-point and several megs (last I know anyway) |
03:06:00 | puetzk | if it runs realtime on iPodlinux, maybe there has been more progress... |
03:06:06 | Mikachu | there is a small engine called espeak that's only 1.3M (that's source + data + compiled binary) |
03:06:12 | linuxstb | Insectoid: Was Flite running satisfactorily in ipodlinux? It's easy to compile things for IPL, but they don't always work... |
03:06:31 | Mikachu | http://espeak.sourceforge.net/ |
03:06:44 | Insectoid | I haven't actual run it as I don't have Ipodlinux. But from what I could glean, yes. |
03:06:46 | puetzk | Mikachu, what we really need is Macintalk-2 era stuff :-P Too bad it was all asm and mostly lost to history... |
03:06:56 | Mikachu | it does seem to use floats a bit though |
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03:07:52 | Mikachu | puetzk: i had a supercool thing for atari st at one time :) |
03:08:25 | Nimdae | so yeah, my computer died and it took my ipod out with it |
03:08:58 | puetzk | right, macintalk2 was mac plus era stuff. 1M of total system ram, and a 4Mhz processor. And it did work... |
03:09:16 | puetzk | Mikachu, wow, espeak sounds pretty good for being that small... |
03:09:34 | Mikachu | it even has a couple of different voices |
03:10:56 | Insectoid | Need something nonconcatinative like Eloquence or DECtalk, that way no data files. |
03:12:08 | Soap | Yay for FS #6528!!!!! |
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03:15:41 | Mikachu | puetzk: heh, try -v en-b |
03:16:04 | Mikachu | various british dialects |
03:16:42 | preglow | no samples? |
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03:17:04 | puetzk | preglow, I just let apt-get install it and started playing |
03:17:16 | preglow | o |
03:17:28 | preglow | lets see if i have it |
03:17:29 | preglow | and i do |
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03:18:09 | preglow | doesn't sound too bad, no |
03:18:12 | amiconn | Hmm, the WM8711/21/31 also have zero-crossing detection, as does the TLV320 |
03:18:45 | preglow | hah |
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03:18:52 | amiconn | What bothers me a bit is that there is no timeout, so if the digital signal never reaches zero, the volume change will never take place |
03:18:54 | preglow | sounds like it uses amplitude modulation for synthesis |
03:19:18 | Soap | really stupid noob question - in colinux how can I check on how much free space I have left in my filesystem? |
03:19:26 | Mikachu | df -h ? |
03:19:28 | nixphoeni | dan_a, barrywardell: ping |
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03:21:04 | Mikachu | wow, i could even use ß with -v german |
03:21:06 | preglow | with a better synthesis method, this wouldn't be too bad at all |
03:21:31 | Mikachu | is the synthesis the easy or the hard part? |
03:21:39 | preglow | easyish |
03:21:57 | preglow | it's not really easy, but it's not as time-consuming as the rest |
03:22:11 | preglow | once characters have been mapped to phonemes, the rest is not that hard |
03:22:17 | preglow | and synthesis has nothing to do with that |
03:22:40 | preglow | ahaha, -v no |
03:22:48 | Mikachu | you have norwegian voices? |
03:23:09 | preglow | apparently not |
03:23:11 | preglow | it just didn't complain |
03:24:25 | Mikachu | ah, there has been new versions since i installed it, i have 1.10 but latest is 1.18 released yesterday (!) |
03:24:48 | preglow | 1.15 here |
03:25:18 | combrains | any gigabeat devs around? |
03:25:47 | preglow | oh, the profanities i have it saying! |
03:26:04 | amiconn | There's something fishy in the wm8975 driver... |
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03:26:09 | Alonea | ok, I have never asked and have been meaning to, but what is dev short for? device or what? |
03:26:21 | combrains | developer |
03:26:21 | Mikachu | developer or device |
03:26:42 | linuxstb | amiconn: That wouldn't surprise me at all... |
03:26:56 | Alonea | ok, thanks. no longer confused. |
03:26:56 | amiconn | If the volume registers work the same way as for the wm8711/21/31 (and I think they do), the | 0x100 in the volume setting is bad |
03:27:23 | linuxstb | Doesn't that make the DAC apply both volume settings at the same time? |
03:27:29 | combrains | linuxstb, you might be able to help me |
03:27:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: yes. |
03:28:19 | Soap | another stupid noob question - how do I rmdir a non-empty directory? |
03:28:37 | amiconn | And because right volume is set after left volume, and has the "set both" bit, the left setting is overwritten |
03:28:44 | combrains | if I build the gigabeat bootloader from source it gives me a file called bootloader.bin. To install it, do I just rename it to FWIMG01.dat and put it in my GBSYSTEM dir? |
03:28:44 | Mikachu | hoho, this version does have norwegian |
03:28:51 | linuxstb | Soap: "rm -r dirname" |
03:29:04 | Soap | thank you for putting up with that question |
03:29:21 | Mikachu | and swedish! |
03:29:29 | preglow | hahaha |
03:29:30 | preglow | i want! |
03:29:41 | linuxstb | combrains: You don't get a FWIMG01.DAT file? |
03:29:43 | preglow | but probably best if i don't have it |
03:29:56 | combrains | not that I could see but I will look again |
03:30:07 | debauched_slot1 | yes, you should have one |
03:30:24 | combrains | ah, I found it :) |
03:30:28 | Mikachu | preglow: i'm not so good with norwegian spelling, can you say type something? |
03:30:33 | combrains | had to refresh the browser |
03:30:36 | Mikachu | -say |
03:30:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: If I am right, balance should be without function on wm8975 targets... |
03:31:28 | preglow | Mikachu: God dag, jeg beklager å måtte meddele at favorittpapegøyen din ble skutt i går. |
03:31:39 | amiconn | (well, it would lower the total volume when set to negative (left) values, and do nothing when set to positive (right) values) |
03:31:42 | Mikachu | hahaha |
03:32:01 | Mikachu | preglow: it's at least intelligible |
03:32:04 | preglow | heh |
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03:32:36 | preglow | call people up and have espeak say that |
03:32:54 | Mikachu | haha, http://mikachu.ath.cx/lateparrot.ogg (34kB) |
03:32:56 | Insectoid | espeak |
03:33:01 | Insectoid | pfftromph |
03:33:04 | preglow | haha |
03:33:15 | preglow | hahah |
03:33:18 | preglow | it's not bad |
03:33:19 | preglow | not bad at all |
03:33:25 | preglow | considering it's an early attempt |
03:33:49 | preglow | it actually sounds a bit like a brit speaking norwegian |
03:35:24 | preglow | Mikachu: something in swedish, please :P |
03:35:30 | linuxstb | amiconn: My understanding is that if bit 0x100 is 0, the value is written into an intermediate latch. When it's 1, then the current channel is set with the value from the write, and the other channel is set from the intermediate latch for that channel. |
03:35:54 | linuxstb | (Page 34 of the WM8750 datasheet) |
03:36:06 | Mikachu | preglow: mikachu.ath.cx/bapp.ogg |
03:36:33 | preglow | hahah |
03:36:37 | preglow | better |
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03:37:22 | preglow | but not exactly spot on either |
03:37:25 | Mikachu | the rs are not rolly enough |
03:37:29 | preglow | but it does sound interesting indeed |
03:37:32 | Mikachu | they sound pretty much like english rs |
03:37:35 | preglow | no, not by far |
03:37:36 | preglow | exactly |
03:37:47 | preglow | and small wonder, since they're easier to create |
03:38:07 | preglow | a rolling r is a pretty hostily sound to synthesize |
03:38:14 | preglow | it's neither a vowel or a fricative |
03:38:41 | puetzk | preglow, I have sympathy for it, it's a sound I can't do either :-) |
03:38:46 | preglow | heh |
03:38:55 | Mikachu | you can pretend to be from southern sweden and do french rs from the throat |
03:39:14 | preglow | haha |
03:39:17 | Insectoid | that's *impossible* to synth. |
03:39:20 | preglow | those people are the greatest |
03:39:32 | Mikachu | (it's where i live, but not how i speak) |
03:39:37 | preglow | got tons of those in norway too |
03:39:39 | amiconn | linuxstb: If it works like you describe, it is different from the wm8731 and friends |
03:39:45 | preglow | rolling rs are actually on the decline, for some reason |
03:39:53 | amiconn | Do you have a link for the 8975 datasheet? |
03:42:28 | linuxstb | I don't think the 8975 is available, but the 8750 seems compatible. It should be on the wolfson website. |
03:43:41 | amiconn | Ah, yes, it is different... |
03:43:57 | amiconn | The wm8731 and friends use bit 8 to tie the channels together |
03:44:15 | amiconn | Writing either side's register with bit 8 set sets both channels to the same value |
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03:56:28 | Kirsch | hi all, i'm trying to install rockbox on my newly purchased ipod video, i was able to install it and run the ipodpatcher, but when it starts it says "Rockbox Error: -1" then "Loading original firmware". any ideas? |
03:58:42 | puetzk | Kirsch, have you actually put rockbox.ipod on yet, or just the bootloader? |
03:58:54 | linuxstb | See section 2.2.2 of the manual. |
03:59:16 | Kirsch | grrr, i just reviewed it |
03:59:22 | Kirsch | yea i forgot that step, 1sed |
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04:00:07 | lostlogic | dan_a: what kind of performance improvement have you seen with that new-fangled memcpy? |
04:00:14 | Soap | big |
04:00:29 | lostlogic | w00t |
04:00:55 | lostlogic | has anyone done further investigation as to what makes the GUI and codec threads still impact each other even when they are running on different cores? |
04:02:34 | Soap | lostlogic: the patch reduced my mp3 playback boost percentage from high 70s to mid 50s |
04:02:39 | Cassandra | We're running multicore? No-one tells me anythiing? |
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04:03:13 | lostlogic | Cassandra: not in SVN |
04:03:19 | lostlogic | Cassandra: there are patches |
04:03:27 | lostlogic | Soap: woah. |
04:03:28 | Soap | lostlogic: I lied. 70% down to 58% I exagerated both ends :( |
04:03:32 | lostlogic | hahaha |
04:03:47 | Soap | still - a chunky chunk. |
04:03:51 | Cassandra | Do they work, and are they as good for battery life as we'd thought they might be? |
04:03:53 | lostlogic | yep |
04:04:08 | lostlogic | Cassandra: they do work |
04:04:10 | lostlogic | but not on 4g |
04:04:29 | lostlogic | and the battery life improvement is large, but not up-to original firmware by any stretch |
04:04:42 | lostlogic | I'd say mine playing mostly ogg q7 went from 6.5-8ish hours. |
04:04:49 | lostlogic | (but I don't do full battery tests) |
04:04:54 | Kirsch | thanks lostlogic, that indeed was the problem, now i'm having another issue but i'm gonna keep reading the manual |
04:05:13 | * | lostlogic didn't do it. |
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04:05:33 | Soap | yea, I'll do some full battery tests in the next week or so. I just hate taking my iPod out of comission for two+ solid days. |
04:05:34 | Cassandra | lostlogic, still worth looking forward to seeing them in CVS though. |
04:05:47 | Cassandra | Erm, SVN. |
04:06:09 | lostlogic | Cassandra: yeah, it's that darn 4g ipod that's causin' trouble gain ;) |
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04:29:03 | jdong | apart from "I am pushing the limit with cflags", what does relocation truncated to fit mean? |
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04:37:11 | JdGordon | guys, I need an idea of something to do with the wps which cannot be done now... |
04:38:30 | scorche | viewports? |
04:38:39 | puetzk | just looking for suggestions in general? |
04:38:51 | puetzk | links that navigate back to the Tag Database for other songs with the same Genre/Artist/Album/etc would be nice |
04:38:54 | JdGordon | yeah, general suggestyions... which dont ned majoy rework |
04:39:08 | JdGordon | bah, i dunno what i want :p |
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04:42:27 | puetzk | it would sort of be like follow playlist for filesystem mode (which doesn't work with the database since there's no unique link to return to) |
04:43:20 | JdGordon | na, I need an idea of something to show on the wps which cant be done atm |
04:43:42 | JdGordon | or a way to change one of the existsing tags |
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04:45:49 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Why not just move an existing tag to your plugin? |
04:46:03 | JdGordon | coz thats boring :p |
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04:46:05 | puetzk | JdGordon, synced lyrics? |
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04:46:28 | JdGordon | puetzk: that would be nice :) |
04:46:37 | puetzk | not a feature I care much about, but it's not totally out of left field and afaik rockbox can't do it... |
04:49:56 | Kirsch | i want to ask a obvious question cause i don't know, can you share a "library" between rockbox and the ipod library? |
04:50:02 | Kirsch | or do i have to put songs so that rockbox can see it? |
04:50:39 | puetzk | Kirsch, you can, but ITunes puts the files on with garbage names and folder structure |
04:50:51 | puetzk | so you pretty much have to use the tag database for it to be useable |
04:50:57 | Kirsch | ok |
04:51:00 | puetzk | (which means you have to make sure your files have good tags) |
04:51:23 | jdong | -foptimize-sibling-calls = culprit of -O2 build failures |
04:51:39 | Kirsch | yea, they are |
04:51:42 | * | jdong continues playing with the Gentoo method of making things fast |
04:52:19 | puetzk | and of course you can only put songs on with iTunes then, or the OF can't see them |
04:56:10 | Kirsch | i'm not "ready" to go 100% into rockbox, at least not yet, i just got it to work a few mins ago |
04:56:13 | Kirsch | so far i like it |
04:56:19 | Kirsch | i'm hoping this will replace itunes |
04:56:24 | Kirsch | and i can just copy all music onto it |
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04:58:35 | webguest89 | Excuse the possible idiocity of this question but how do you return to the WPS from from the file browser? |
04:58:56 | puetzk | webguest89, on the x5 you hit the play button. I would assume that's pretty universal |
04:59:20 | puetzk | should be in the manual too |
04:59:30 | webguest89 | Ahhh yes, that works for the iPod as well. Thanks |
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05:02:32 | puetzk | JdGordon, http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0#head-e76d4fb26268baf285bff899581cc284427a2789 has the has the spec for it. Form is the same for synced lyrics/movement names/chord tabs/etc. |
05:02:42 | JdGordon | ta |
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05:04:18 | JdGordon | I'm gonna do something nice and tribvial... show current runtime on the wps |
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05:04:50 | puetzk | OK :-) |
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05:17:09 | andrewg | i found the datasheet to another chip in the sansa |
05:17:11 | andrewg | http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Data_Sheets/ADG796A.pdf |
05:17:32 | andrewg | the one to the top right of the cpu, http://teraton.com:81/~torment/sansa/sandisk_sansa_e260_back.jpg |
05:18:15 | andrewg | hmm, oops i think |
05:19:14 | andrewg | this one http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Data_Sheets/ADG721_722_723.pdf |
05:19:57 | andrewg | not exactly sure what they would want to switch with it though |
05:21:56 | andrewg | it looks like S2 might be conected to the USB port pins on the bottom connector |
05:22:21 | Kirsch | does www.ipodlinux.org work for anyone? |
05:23:26 | andrewg | it times out for me |
05:23:35 | Kirsch | yea... does anyone have the 2.4 Loader? |
05:24:06 | Soap | I ran rockboxdev.sh, it appeared to go fine, but when I "../tools/configure", select my target I get the line "Using arm-elf-gcc 3.3.6 (303)" I thought that wasn't the newest version. |
05:24:37 | jdong | ipodlinux does inded time out.... |
05:24:56 | jdong | Soap: what does arm-elf-gcc -v report? |
05:25:35 | jdong | (on the same token latest gcc and binutils works; though latest GCC needs reconfigured with no SSP) |
05:25:42 | Soap | gcc version 3.3.6 |
05:26:19 | jdong | heh |
05:26:23 | jdong | well, your GCC is old then |
05:26:31 | jdong | look at rockboxdev.sh, what gcc version is set? |
05:26:55 | jdong | (line 122) |
05:27:40 | Soap | one sec |
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05:28:45 | Soap | gccver="4.0.3" # default gcc version |
05:28:54 | jdong | interesting.... |
05:29:07 | jdong | well, I have no clue then :-/ |
05:29:10 | Soap | maybe it failed and I missed the error? |
05:29:17 | jdong | perhaps |
05:29:29 | andrewg | how would i allow a plugin to be built with the current makefile generated by configure? I have looked through a few makefiles in different directories but couldn't find it |
05:29:31 | jdong | it doesn't exactly report errors all that nicely |
05:30:27 | Soap | let's say I stay on this old gcc, what do I lose? |
05:30:42 | jdong | not terribly much |
05:31:04 | jdong | (1) A bit of "optimizations" although that's a really controversial point and not worth losing any sleep over |
05:31:32 | jdong | (2) sometimes gcc4 will compile code that 3.x will error out on, and vice versa. since the devs are targeting 4.0.3 you might run into build failures |
05:31:40 | jdong | #2 is what you need to be more concerned about |
05:31:47 | jdong | I don't think it'll happen terribly often though |
05:31:53 | jdong | it happens the other way around quite more often :) |
05:32:57 | scorche | andrewg: add it to /plugins/SOURCES |
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05:41:47 | andrewg | scorche: thanks |
05:43:14 | combrains | is there an esy way to convert the data in the batter benc.txt files into a graph or do I have to re-enter all of the data into a table |
05:43:25 | combrains | *battery bench |
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05:44:14 | andrewg | i think the backlight is connected to the AS3517 since that audio front end also is the power controller |
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05:49:28 | decayedcell | funnily enough |
05:49:43 | decayedcell | i can access this IRC from Opera running on Kubuntu |
05:49:45 | decayedcell | but not windows =/ |
05:52:51 | andrewg | oh and it looks like the FM tuner chip is on the I2C bus also |
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06:01:25 | andrewg | actually...hmm |
06:02:16 | andrewg | the FM chip has a 3 wire bus, data, clock and a read or write line. I think GPIO would be easier to use with it |
06:11:34 | Mouser_X | JdGordon: Honestly, the viewport to a plugin is a good idea. I know it's pretty useless, but I'd like to see an anylizer for the WPS (similar to the one that Winamp has). |
06:12:11 | JdGordon | Mouser_X: yeah, it wold be nice... id hate to see the frame rate we would be able to get tho |
06:12:16 | Mouser_X | (Meaning, I know the anylizer is pretty useless, but I'd like it nonetheless.) |
06:12:32 | JdGordon | I finnally gt hte plugin working properly :D |
06:12:57 | Mouser_X | Well, I'll be using a Gigabeat. I expect that to be pretty decent as far as FPS goes. |
06:13:00 | Mouser_X | Cool! |
06:13:26 | scorche | i dont care about the framerate....i would be interested in how big of a chunk it takes out of the battery |
06:13:40 | JdGordon | scorche: a decent amount I would think :D |
06:14:05 | JdGordon | w00t... i got runtime in he wps :) utterly useless but it shos the plugin works |
06:14:16 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
06:14:51 | JdGordon | I want to take the bitmap drawin out of the core and put it in the plugin... I dont know who else will agree with me there tho |
06:15:39 | Mouser_X | If it improves anything, I'd say it's a good idea (increase in battery life, or whatever). |
06:15:41 | JdGordon | It might even get enough code out of the cre to get rombox working agin |
06:17:13 | JdGordon | to do the analyzer in a viewport properly, viewports need to be coded int he core first... |
06:18:30 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. Good point. |
06:18:58 | JdGordon | I need a tag to check if the pugin is loaded... %pl would be good but %p is for the playlist.. |
06:20:19 | drklabyrinth | hi everyone |
06:23:43 | drklabyrinth | i turned the directory on..but i still cant find my music... |
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06:26:51 | Soap | the ability to show more than just track current+1 would be a nice WPS addition. |
06:27:12 | Mouser_X | Oooh! |
06:27:14 | Mouser_X | Yes! |
06:27:24 | Mouser_X | Multiple next tracks, and previous. |
06:27:26 | Soap | plus the ability to show total playlist runtime. |
06:27:30 | Mouser_X | Like, 5-10 each way. |
06:27:35 | Mouser_X | That'd be really nice. |
06:27:46 | andrewg | anyone know what the pixel size of the e200 is? |
06:28:10 | Soap | resolution divided by physical size? |
06:28:20 | Soap | (of screen) |
06:28:23 | andrewg | err...bad wording |
06:28:52 | andrewg | vertical by horizontal size |
06:29:09 | andrewg | i think im tired, its almost 2am :/ |
06:29:23 | Soap | I've thought that the ability to do math with WPS numbers would be nice also, but I can't remember what I wanted that for. |
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06:31:30 | Mouser_X | JdGordon: Something else that I'd like to see (which would be pointless, and usually not recommended for use, due to battery usage) would be animations in the WPS. |
06:31:54 | JdGordon | that ca be done now |
06:32:03 | JdGordon | and actually looks good when done properly |
06:32:04 | Mouser_X | Oh? |
06:32:12 | Mouser_X | Sublines? |
06:32:15 | JdGordon | yeah, usein the subline thing |
06:32:19 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. |
06:32:27 | Mouser_X | I'll have to figure out how to do that. |
06:32:34 | JdGordon | one of the included wps have it |
06:32:38 | JdGordon | dancepuffduo i tinhk |
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06:36:44 | scorche | and the megaman one |
06:37:41 | Mouser_X | Megaman one? |
06:37:46 | Mouser_X | What's that on? |
06:37:51 | * | Mouser_X wants. |
06:37:55 | drklabyrinth | i cant find my music with rockbox...what is goin on? |
06:38:15 | drklabyrinth | i followed all the steps for the database |
06:39:11 | scorche | Mouser_X: one of the irivers |
06:39:32 | Mouser_X | I found it by searching the Wiki. |
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06:39:36 | Mouser_X | Awesome! |
06:40:08 | Mouser_X | Though, if it's the iRiver, then it might not be the same one (I'm on the iPod mini page). |
06:40:10 | Nimdae | drklabyrinth: did you really follow all of the steps? |
06:40:26 | scorche | it was a guess |
06:40:29 | drklabyrinth | yes |
06:40:34 | andrewg | could someone add me to the users group on the wiki please? |
06:40:59 | drklabyrinth | i activated the database |
06:41:12 | drklabyrinth | but i think i'm lacking the knowledge to get to my moive |
06:41:14 | drklabyrinth | music* |
06:41:26 | scorche | andrewg: name? |
06:41:43 | decayedcell | did u update the database |
06:41:46 | decayedcell | as in Update Now |
06:43:00 | * | Soap suspects drklabyrinth didn |
06:43:05 | Soap | 't cleanly shutdown and reboot. |
06:43:05 | drklabyrinth | indeed i didnt |
06:43:14 | decayedcell | yeah |
06:43:18 | decayedcell | then after is finished rattling the hard disk |
06:43:20 | decayedcell | rebot |
06:43:23 | decayedcell | reboot* |
06:43:51 | Nimdae | well, i'm fighting to hold back smartassed responses due to having a bad day so i'm gonna ignore this window further |
06:44:05 | drklabyrinth | flame away nimdae |
06:44:11 | drklabyrinth | in a pm if you like |
06:44:32 | decayedcell | is it working yet drk? |
06:44:50 | decayedcell | in the file view |
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06:45:04 | decayedcell | u need to change the setting to Show Database |
06:45:25 | decayedcell | Show Files | Database |
06:45:37 | drklabyrinth | mhm |
06:46:03 | decayedcell | then press Menu agn |
06:46:07 | decayedcell | and it should show Artist, Album etc |
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06:47:29 | drklabyrinth | ty very much |
06:47:33 | drklabyrinth | how often do i have to do that? |
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06:47:53 | decayedcell | well |
06:47:55 | JdGordon | grr... my brain has packed up... how do i get the volume in percent? isnt it (current*100)/(max-min) ? |
06:47:57 | decayedcell | everytime u add new songs |
06:48:01 | drklabyrinth | ok |
06:48:03 | drklabyrinth | just update |
06:48:04 | decayedcell | go back to General Settings |
06:48:04 | drklabyrinth | shut down |
06:48:05 | decayedcell | and upate |
06:48:07 | drklabyrinth | restart |
06:48:11 | decayedcell | no need to shut down |
06:48:13 | drklabyrinth | and show database |
06:48:15 | drklabyrinth | oh allright |
06:48:20 | decayedcell | the show database setting will be saved |
06:48:30 | drklabyrinth | wow |
06:48:33 | decayedcell | so once you've transferred new songs |
06:48:35 | drklabyrinth | i love rockbox |
06:48:36 | decayedcell | just press update |
06:48:38 | drklabyrinth | ok |
06:48:42 | decayedcell | the auto update isn't working for me |
06:48:45 | drklabyrinth | is the sound quality better? |
06:48:51 | drklabyrinth | or is it just me |
06:48:55 | decayedcell | i think it is |
06:49:02 | decayedcell | it opens up the channels |
06:49:03 | decayedcell | wider |
06:49:11 | drklabyrinth | its amazing |
06:49:21 | decayedcell | yeah because its not using the hardware equalizer |
06:49:28 | decayedcell | and other crap on the original firmware |
06:49:29 | drklabyrinth | wow |
06:49:41 | drklabyrinth | yeah, i hope that this isnt against the warrenty |
06:49:53 | decayedcell | nah its not |
06:50:18 | drklabyrinth | good |
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06:50:52 | drklabyrinth | lets put some gfx on it now:) |
06:50:55 | JdGordon | :'( viewVC is broken |
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06:51:47 | Soap | the ipod 5th gen hardware EQ is not broken in the same way the ipod software EQ is. |
06:52:16 | Soap | and RMAA tests show rockbox audio performance to be very comprable to the stock apple audio performance. |
06:52:40 | KCC | what does RMAA say about the Gigabeat? |
06:52:40 | andrewg | anyone know where LCD_HEIGHT and WIDTH is defined for plugins? |
06:53:00 | JdGordon | andrewg: in config.h |
06:53:04 | drklabyrinth | can you have more than one theme soap? i mean, more than one theme saved on your ipod? |
06:53:04 | andrewg | thanks |
06:53:08 | drklabyrinth | ahhh we're writing in C??? |
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06:53:22 | Soap | KCC: I haven't seen any tests - but outside a flawed firmware there is little reason to believe rockbox would sound /better/. |
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06:54:06 | Soap | rockbox has more options - but basic playback sound is greatly limited/coloured/determined by the DAC and amp. |
06:56:03 | Soap | "opening up the channels" is audiophile speak for stereo crosstalk - one measure where rockbox performs identical to stock firmware. |
06:58:19 | decayedcell | battery life is a lot less than the stock firmware though |
06:58:38 | Soap | on the portaplayer targets it surely is. |
06:58:49 | decayedcell | hmm |
06:58:54 | decayedcell | but why? |
06:58:57 | Soap | perhaps also on the gigabeat, I can't speak to that. |
06:59:01 | drklabyrinth | i have no idea how much battery life i'm going to have |
06:59:05 | drklabyrinth | 5th gen ipod |
06:59:05 | Soap | why? that's the 64,000 dollar question. |
06:59:07 | drklabyrinth | 30gig |
06:59:19 | decayedcell | same one |
06:59:22 | decayedcell | it'll last um |
06:59:25 | decayedcell | 3-4 hours? |
06:59:27 | Soap | drklabyrinth: 55% of the battery life you get with Apple OS is a very good bet. |
06:59:27 | drklabyrinth | i heard 10-14 |
06:59:29 | decayedcell | not sure |
06:59:36 | decayedcell | thats stock |
06:59:37 | drklabyrinth | nice 3-4 |
06:59:41 | KCC | wow, thats rather terrible |
06:59:43 | decayedcell | i charge it every night |
06:59:48 | drklabyrinth | thats really bad battery life |
06:59:50 | decayedcell | yeah |
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06:59:54 | Soap | drklabyrinth: 10 hours on a 60GB, less - maybe 7 on a 30GB. |
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07:00:08 | KCC | no numbers for the 'Beat? |
07:00:09 | decayedcell | depends on your other settings too |
07:00:11 | decayedcell | like backlight |
07:00:12 | drklabyrinth | with rockbox firmware? |
07:00:15 | KCC | ive heard up to 18 hours for the stock firmware |
07:00:19 | webguest50 | Anyone know why my computer wont reconize my Mini, with Rockbox installed? |
07:00:20 | KCC | on the 'beat |
07:00:27 | * | Soap isn't sure how 55% of 10-14 = 3-4 |
07:00:31 | drklabyrinth | i've gotten 18 hrs with stock |
07:00:31 | webguest50 | It seesm to be charging |
07:00:33 | decayedcell | nono |
07:00:43 | decayedcell | Saop reckons that Rockbox |
07:00:46 | decayedcell | Soap* |
07:00:50 | decayedcell | gives about 55% |
07:01:03 | decayedcell | from my experience |
07:01:09 | drklabyrinth | hmmmm...thats rather inefficient... |
07:01:11 | decayedcell | and my opinion, i rekn about 4 |
07:01:13 | Mouser_X | KCC: I've heard that on the Gigabeat, you can expect at *least* 10 hours. |
07:01:17 | Mouser_X | Usually more. |
07:01:27 | drklabyrinth | i guess, i'll have to work on that |
07:01:30 | drklabyrinth | its in C right? |
07:01:34 | decayedcell | but yeah thats just my two cents |
07:01:39 | decayedcell | rockbox uses a mixture of languages |
07:01:44 | decayedcell | is what i've heard lol |
07:01:51 | scorche | it is in C |
07:01:58 | scorche | with asm at the lower levels |
07:02:27 | scorche | hardly a mixture of languages... |
07:02:35 | decayedcell | hm ok then |
07:03:00 | scorche | and the battery life is more attributed to not understanding the hardware fully than optimization |
07:03:26 | Soap | *cough* commit 12,000 *cough* |
07:03:36 | Soap | ;)) |
07:03:41 | scorche | your point? =P |
07:04:14 | Soap | 70% down to 58% boost makes Soap jump for joy. |
07:04:31 | Soap | I'll be giddy about that all week. |
07:04:38 | decayedcell | wasn't that committed today? |
07:04:52 | Soap | yes it was |
07:05:14 | decayedcell | hmm once I get this blasted toolchain working on Linux |
07:05:20 | decayedcell | lol i'll compile |
07:05:33 | drklabyrinth | so, how do you update a wps? |
07:05:46 | decayedcell | make one |
07:05:48 | decayedcell | or use one |
07:05:53 | drklabyrinth | just extract to .rockbox? |
07:06:04 | Mouser_X | Not necessarily. |
07:06:07 | decayedcell | if the wps zip file has .rockbox as the root folder |
07:06:08 | Mouser_X | Open it first. |
07:06:35 | decayedcell | if its got .rockbox as the first folder |
07:06:41 | decayedcell | then u can just drag it to the device |
07:06:57 | decayedcell | and say yes when it says there is already a folder called .rockbox etc |
07:07:00 | decayedcell | if its not |
07:07:04 | decayedcell | and it has other folders |
07:07:16 | decayedcell | then u need to extract it to er |
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07:07:40 | * | decayedcell connects ipod |
07:07:56 | decayedcell | hmm |
07:08:03 | decayedcell | doesn't like folders starting with . |
07:08:05 | decayedcell | bugger |
07:08:14 | Soap | you on OSx? |
07:08:19 | decayedcell | Kubuntu |
07:08:50 | decayedcell | i get cc1: Invalid option `long-calls' |
07:08:55 | decayedcell | when i try to compile |
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07:18:19 | webguest50 | How do I load original Firmware, when I click hold on bootup, it says it loads, will restart, but will keep restarting until I take off hold |
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07:26:18 | [Tesser] | Okay, finally a non-critical question. What's the requirement for album art? Size, filetype, et cetera? I can't find it in the manual. |
07:27:07 | decayedcell | has to be bmp |
07:27:14 | JdGordon | check the wiki |
07:27:24 | JdGordon | its not in the official builds, so wont be in the manual |
07:27:44 | [Tesser] | Ah. |
07:27:56 | [Tesser] | decayedcell, Any idea about size? |
07:28:40 | decayedcell | 100 x 100 if i recall correctly |
07:28:48 | decayedcell | but u can use a bmpresize patch |
07:28:55 | decayedcell | that *should* resize it |
07:30:17 | [Tesser] | Sweet. I was jsut curious. I don't have any pre-existing album art, but some of the themes use it and I wanted to see how it looked. |
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07:38:44 | combrains | did anyone see my question from before? Can I easily convert the data in the batterbench.txt into a graph without having to re-enter the data into a table? |
07:39:04 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
07:39:12 | Mouser_X | Read the manual. |
07:39:27 | Mouser_X | I know it can be easily imported, but I don't remember anything beyond that. |
07:39:36 | combrains | ah. thanks. |
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07:40:26 | Mouser_X | combrains: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBatteryBenchmark |
07:40:39 | combrains | thankyou |
07:40:59 | Mouser_X | Glad to help. |
07:41:14 | combrains | BTW do you know if there is a link on the GB wiki page to the runtime page? |
07:41:23 | combrains | I couldn't see it for looking |
07:41:33 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. I doubt there is. |
07:41:37 | combrains | (that is to say, I can't find one) |
07:41:48 | combrains | maybe we should put one on there |
07:42:06 | combrains | might encourage a few more people to post their results |
07:42:07 | Mouser_X | Feel free. |
07:42:14 | Mouser_X | I'm not signed up. |
07:42:18 | combrains | I'm not a member |
07:42:23 | Mouser_X | :/ |
07:42:23 | combrains | (snap) |
07:42:32 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatRuntime |
07:42:36 | Mouser_X | Any takers? |
07:42:44 | combrains | yes, I found it via a serch |
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07:55:35 | combrains | hmmm, Calc's charting abilities leave a lot to be desired |
07:59:42 | JdGordon | woohooo!! this plugin kicks ass :D |
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08:07:15 | combrains | has anyone had a problem with the most recent SVN bootloader for the GB? |
08:07:35 | combrains | I built one earlier today and I now have choppy playback |
08:08:54 | Mouser_X | Dang... |
08:09:03 | Mouser_X | Can't help, sorry. |
08:10:16 | perldiver | combrains |
08:10:19 | perldiver | people were reporting that issue |
08:10:20 | combrains | hello |
08:10:30 | perldiver | just get the bootloader from the wiki page |
08:10:36 | combrains | I am now |
08:10:42 | perldiver | and get the svn build |
08:11:32 | combrains | I built it because I saw in the SVN logs that it had been updated a few days ago |
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08:14:16 | perldiver | new version came earlier today |
08:14:52 | combrains | of the bootloader in SVN i guess you reffering to |
08:16:45 | combrains | oh - of the one on the wiki |
08:16:55 | combrains | hehe - Im a day ahead of you guys |
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08:38:05 | Insectoid | Wow. I'm using ESpeak, now, as the synthesizer with my screen reader.Funky! |
08:38:57 | Insectoid | It's absolute crap compared to something like eloquence, but for being 400k, it is quite a viable synth rockboxically. |
08:39:17 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
08:39:19 | Mouser_X | Cool. |
08:39:34 | Mouser_X | Any coders want to tackle it? |
08:39:36 | Mouser_X | :P |
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08:47:45 | HopelessNewb-bou | hello? |
08:48:13 | drklabyrinth | hi |
08:48:17 | HopelessNewb-bou | okay |
08:48:31 | HopelessNewb-bou | so this isn't the best place for this question probably lol |
08:48:39 | drklabyrinth | its fine |
08:48:44 | drklabyrinth | spill your BEANS |
08:49:05 | HopelessNewb-bou | I'm working on my sisters Gigabeat f20 |
08:49:13 | HopelessNewb-bou | and she installed RockBox |
08:49:21 | drklabyrinth | wait |
08:49:26 | drklabyrinth | as far as i've been reading |
08:49:43 | drklabyrinth | Rockbox doesnt support gigabeat |
08:49:47 | Insectoid | It does |
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08:49:49 | scorche | it does... |
08:49:50 | HopelessNewb-bou | its not a stable build |
08:49:50 | Insectoid | f and x |
08:49:54 | HopelessNewb-bou | lol |
08:49:57 | HopelessNewb-bou | anyway |
08:50:10 | HopelessNewb-bou | I love rock box its sweet |
08:50:32 | HopelessNewb-bou | however she seems to have mucked up her install and now her damn player just gives me |
08:50:42 | HopelessNewb-bou | an error 00000020 |
08:50:49 | Insectoid | Oh dear |
08:50:52 | HopelessNewb-bou | No clue where to even start to fix it |
08:50:56 | HopelessNewb-bou | any help would be great |
08:50:56 | drklabyrinth | correct me if i'm wrong |
08:51:13 | drklabyrinth | but cant you format, then replace the firmware? |
08:51:15 | Insectoid | Well I've not read the installation information for the gigabeat, but you should be fine, as long as you can access it as an hd. |
08:51:29 | HopelessNewb-bou | I can access it as a hard drive |
08:51:34 | Insectoid | Beautiful |
08:51:40 | drklabyrinth | open cmdprmpt |
08:51:44 | HopelessNewb-bou | however I can't seem to get an accurate firmware image |
08:51:47 | HopelessNewb-bou | sweet dude |
08:52:02 | drklabyrinth | and format (drive name) |
08:52:06 | HopelessNewb-bou | shell open |
08:52:07 | Insectoid | no! |
08:52:10 | Insectoid | don't. do. that. |
08:52:12 | Insectoid | pffft |
08:52:13 | HopelessNewb-bou | lol |
08:52:14 | drklabyrinth | i just did it |
08:52:45 | HopelessNewb-bou | ohh |
08:52:52 | drklabyrinth | buy |
08:52:54 | drklabyrinth | but |
08:52:57 | HopelessNewb-bou | I forgot the best part |
08:53:05 | Insectoid | HopelessNewb-bou, in the hd, is there a .rockbox and uh. I suppose it'd be rockbox.gigabeat? |
08:53:16 | HopelessNewb-bou | okay |
08:53:17 | Insectoid | Best part? Do tell... |
08:53:22 | HopelessNewb-bou | lol |
08:53:41 | HopelessNewb-bou | somehow my sister managed to corrupt the backup Gigabeats software makes of the firmware for you |
08:53:47 | HopelessNewb-bou | so I'm stuck |
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08:53:58 | Insectoid | No big deal. I'm sure they're on the website... Maybe. |
08:54:00 | drklabyrinth | google it |
08:54:09 | HopelessNewb-bou | and with that great error the player doesn't seem to see itself as an MP3 player anymore only a hard drive |
08:54:13 | Mouser_X | You don't *need* (as far as I've seen) the Gigabeat firmware, for Rockbox to run. |
08:54:13 | HopelessNewb-bou | so there formatting sucks |
08:54:27 | HopelessNewb-bou | okay |
08:54:34 | HopelessNewb-bou | I'm listening |
08:54:45 | Mouser_X | Just read the installation instructions in the manual. |
08:54:47 | HopelessNewb-bou | thanks guys I know this is totally off topic |
08:54:52 | Mouser_X | Do all that, and it should work. |
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08:55:04 | Mouser_X | And it's not off-topic, since it's Rockbox you're installing. |
08:55:09 | HopelessNewb-bou | the rockbox manual or ...? |
08:55:27 | Mouser_X | Read the Rockbox manual, as that is what tells you how to install Rockbox. |
08:55:36 | HopelessNewb-bou | sweet sorry |
08:55:40 | HopelessNewb-bou | lol |
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08:55:50 | Mouser_X | If you see installation instructions for Rockbox in the Toshiba manual, I'd like to know what page. |
08:55:55 | Mouser_X | Dang, missed him. |
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09:02:32 | perldiver | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7bZyBSh2tQ |
09:04:26 | scorche | it is fake, but thanks |
09:04:46 | perldiver | didnt say its real :P |
09:04:54 | scorche | then why link it? |
09:05:06 | HopelessNewb-bou | wow |
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09:08:59 | JPMaximilian | could anyone tell me what the voltage should be in battery_bench for a 3g ipod? |
09:09:30 | scorche | what do you mean?....it varies |
09:09:31 | Mouser_X | HopelessNewb-bou: Did that help? |
09:09:36 | HopelessNewb-bou | nope |
09:09:41 | HopelessNewb-bou | lol |
09:09:42 | HopelessNewb-bou | same problem |
09:09:59 | HopelessNewb-bou | not sure whats up |
09:10:02 | Mouser_X | So, you followed the instructions (all of them), and when you turn it on, you get nothing? |
09:10:07 | HopelessNewb-bou | calls it a system error |
09:10:28 | scorche | HopelessNewb-bou: i would wait for someone to come around who knows the gigabeat port a bit more |
09:10:34 | HopelessNewb-bou | all right |
09:10:45 | HopelessNewb-bou | thanks |
09:10:54 | JPMaximilian | scorche: i'm getting around 3800-4150mV is that normal? |
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09:11:44 | scorche | JPMaximilian: what are you trying to get at? |
09:12:23 | JPMaximilian | scorche: my battery does not last very long in rockbox, and lasts much longer in default firmware, much more than the 1/2 to 1/3 loss in rockbox |
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09:12:58 | scorche | that is a guesstimate |
09:13:03 | scorche | it depends largely on what you are doing |
09:13:18 | JPMaximilian | just playing mp3s or flac files |
09:13:31 | scorche | namely how often you activate the backlight, plugins, codecs, etc |
09:13:39 | scorche | skip songs... |
09:14:35 | scorche | about how long does it last in both firmwares? |
09:15:08 | JPMaximilian | well several hours in default, only a few minutes in rockbox |
09:15:29 | scorche | ah...so you are the one in forums |
09:15:36 | JPMaximilian | guilty |
09:16:02 | JPMaximilian | its seems to be intermitent too, so maybe its my hardware |
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09:16:37 | scorche | if you are only lasting minutes, there is definitely something wrong with the hardware |
09:17:06 | JPMaximilian | its weird though, cause it locks up in rockbox, but not default |
09:17:16 | scorche | locks up? |
09:17:40 | JPMaximilian | yeah, my ipod does, while i'm playing a song, or when it's loading, i have to restart it |
09:18:00 | scorche | is that what you mean by the battery dying? |
09:18:15 | JPMaximilian | two different things, sometimes it shuts off cause the battery dies |
09:18:26 | JPMaximilian | sometimes it locks up, even though there is still battery left, at least on the icon |
09:18:28 | scorche | how do you know the battery dies? |
09:18:51 | JPMaximilian | based on the battery indicator, and there is a messgae saying battery low, powering down |
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09:22:51 | scorche | it generally seems to be a hardware issue....others opinions would be nice, but you seem to ahve alienated people in the forums... |
09:23:08 | HopelessNewb-bou | I'd agree but I don't know much |
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09:24:36 | scorche | well, i would say to talk to dan_a if he is still willing to talk to you after the forums incident |
09:25:13 | amiconn | Bagder: Two problems: (1) The svn links in the change table no longer work, there's some 'permission denied' error |
09:25:40 | amiconn | (2) Build server 127.0.0.1 is in urgend need of an m68k-elf-gcc update |
09:25:44 | amiconn | *urgent |
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09:26:56 | HopelessNewb | any ideas how to force a gigabeat to boot past an error? |
09:27:23 | scorche | HopelessNewb: errors are there for a reason |
09:27:45 | HopelessNewb | okay then |
09:27:56 | HopelessNewb | any idea how to figure out what an error number means |
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09:29:21 | drklabyrinth | how do you get back to the song/artist list on an 5thgen ipod |
09:30:04 | drklabyrinth | HopelessNewb, you could try googling it |
09:30:15 | scorche | drklabyrinth: the manual tells you |
09:30:15 | drklabyrinth | whats the number |
09:30:16 | drklabyrinth | i'll help |
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09:30:49 | HopelessNewb | no dice |
09:30:53 | scorche | HopelessNewb: as i said, i would wait around till someone who knows a bit more about the gigabeat port comes around |
09:30:54 | HopelessNewb | 00000020 |
09:31:02 | HopelessNewb | I know |
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09:44:20 | JdGordon | my brai is useless.. how do I work out the volume as a percentage? sholdnt it be (current*100)/(max-min) ? |
09:44:27 | JdGordon | brain* |
09:45:30 | amiconn | ((current-min)*100)/(max-min) |
09:45:42 | amiconn | But why do you need a percantage? |
09:46:08 | JdGordon | cheers |
09:46:24 | JdGordon | to show that my wps plugi can overwrite existing tags |
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09:48:42 | amiconn | hmm :\ |
09:49:51 | JdGordon | :) |
09:51:02 | JdGordon | drawing text works well... just have to figure out the best way to draw an image without it updating the entire screen |
09:51:40 | * | amiconn wonders whether we'll ever see the settings patch finished :/ |
09:52:04 | * | JdGordon too :p |
09:54:44 | scorche | must be a pain to keep updating it all the time... |
09:56:32 | JdGordon | not so much, the thing gets left sitting for a while, then gets updated then fogotten about... |
09:56:55 | JdGordon | I tihkI actually want to start certain parts of it again... |
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09:58:01 | JdGordon | ... I could potentially commit it as it is (about 80% working) and then people can help fix the settings which arnt perfect, but going by the lesson learn with actions I dont tihnk i'll get away with that again... |
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10:04:28 | scorche | ...lets not |
10:06:27 | JdGordon | :) |
10:07:25 | JdGordon | does anyone know if the wps allows a string like "%?ee|xx<no|yes>" ? e.g ee is the tag, xx is some extra data for the tag, and its an enum ? |
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10:17:45 | JdGordon | it doesnt :'( |
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10:29:22 | JdGordon | does the code need to return 1 to get the first enum value inthe wps? not 0? |
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10:32:24 | JdGordon | hmmm.... that was unexpected... but all good now |
10:32:48 | JdGordon | anyone wanna take a stab at what this means? :D %pv%?ee|pv<dB|%> |
10:33:13 | * | JdGordon shuold stop talking to himself |
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10:38:37 | lachlan | haha mate I'll lend you an ear |
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10:42:40 | bluebrother | hmm. The hidden files and folders svn uses seem to make trouble for the manual |
10:42:46 | bluebrother | in some cases. |
10:43:30 | JdGordon | can plugins not talk? |
10:43:56 | bluebrother | in terms of voicing menus in plugins? No. |
10:44:27 | bluebrother | afair this was also something to change with langv2 |
10:44:56 | JdGordon | ok, but there isnt anything really stopping hem from talking? like, talk_spell() should work fine in plugins? |
10:45:21 | bluebrother | no idea but I guess so |
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10:48:45 | bluebrother | hmm, can I tell cp to exclude files based on a pattern? It doesn't seem to understand −−exclude |
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10:49:09 | amiconn | JdGordon: A plugin wanting to talk must not use iram |
10:50:18 | JdGordon | OK, i'll leave that idea then, (I was going to add a tag to allow the wps to speak the new track name!) |
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10:51:48 | amiconn | Hmm, that should work then. A plugin running in parallel to playback must not use iram either |
10:53:30 | JdGordon | is it possible to use iram without knowing it? |
10:53:44 | JdGordon | I mean, does it need to be explicitly called for use? |
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11:22:35 | JdGordon | amiconn: do we know how many bytes we need to save to get rombox building again? |
11:23:13 | Slasheri | hehe, now ipod automatically switches to paginated scrolling when user starts scrolling faster (there are enough queued button events) |
11:23:29 | Slasheri | works very well |
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11:25:12 | JdGordon | 2936 bytes larger than max (233456) <- hmm |
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11:29:53 | JdGordon | moving the clock tags out of the core would save 700 bytes in rockbox.elf, and make rombox small enough that the error says how many btes over it is... |
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11:31:44 | JdGordon | oh, bloody hell.... moving all the tag handling code out of the core would still make rombox 800bytes too large on the recorder |
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11:32:18 | JdGordon | that doesnt include the bitmap drawing handling tho... |
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11:34:34 | pixelma | JdGordon: why putting so much work into this (IMO at least very strange) idea? |
11:34:47 | JdGordon | coz its fun :) |
11:34:55 | JdGordon | back in 40.. houose md whch isnt a repeat! |
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11:56:43 | jba | hey guys |
11:56:49 | jba | who's up and what's doing? |
11:57:04 | jba | the sansa port seems to be moving |
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12:01:19 | dan_a | JPMaximilian: Are you around |
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12:03:36 | dan_a | jba: We're a bit stuck on the Sansa port at the moment, but it might get moving with a few of the suggestions that have been made |
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12:06:56 | Drkepilogue | hey |
12:07:03 | Drkepilogue | one thing i like to point out |
12:07:11 | Drkepilogue | using the lastest CVS build |
12:07:22 | Drkepilogue | i am unable to boot up rockbox |
12:07:46 | Drkepilogue | the boot loader looks like it is working properrly |
12:07:59 | Drkepilogue | but for some reason, it wont boot rockbox |
12:08:08 | Drkepilogue | boot up orginal frimware tho |
12:08:24 | debauched_slot1 | Drkepilogue: which player? |
12:09:11 | Drkepilogue | ipod |
12:09:13 | Drkepilogue | sorry.. |
12:09:20 | debauched_slot1 | ah, thanks |
12:09:54 | Drkepilogue | maybe the change to the arm thingy have an affect? |
12:10:25 | debauched_slot1 | I don't know - I am running a gigabeat, which is also ARM, and it works great here. Noticeably faster, too. |
12:10:28 | Drkepilogue | 4g photo btw |
12:11:00 | Drkepilogue | well |
12:11:12 | Drkepilogue | guess ill reinstall and see what happens.. |
12:11:57 | Drkepilogue | BTW, how much faster r u talking about? |
12:12:02 | dan_a | Drkepilogue: How long ago did you first install? You might need to put on the latest bootloader |
12:12:19 | Drkepilogue | like |
12:12:21 | debauched_slot1 | haven't benchmarked it, Drkepilogue, but visibly |
12:12:22 | Drkepilogue | 10min ago |
12:13:00 | Drkepilogue | i belive i have the lastest bootloader |
12:13:18 | dan_a | Did you do "ipodpatcher −−scan" when you were installing? |
12:13:25 | Drkepilogue | the one where you swich the hold to load into orginal frimware |
12:13:46 | Drkepilogue | no, but i know my number |
12:13:50 | dan_a | That's the one. It should work, AFAIK |
12:13:59 | Drkepilogue | and i got the bootloader working |
12:14:10 | Drkepilogue | hell, had to update my ipod just so it work... |
12:14:58 | Drkepilogue | it should... but it is not??? |
12:15:05 | Drkepilogue | it hangs where it said |
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12:16:01 | Drkepilogue | Rockbox loaded |
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12:17:49 | dan_a | debauched_slot1: It's noticably faster? Wow, I thought with the CPU speed you had you wouldn't be able to see any difference! |
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12:20:16 | debauched_slot1 | dan_a: yes, boot is zippier |
12:21:30 | debauched_slot1 | also menus. can't wait to drop this on my nano |
12:22:08 | debauched_slot1 | will be even more useful if/when we start implementing the CPU boost stuff and drop the speed down to 17Mhz :) |
12:22:20 | dan_a | True! |
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12:22:58 | Drkepilogue | sry |
12:23:06 | Drkepilogue | the web irc thing was acting funny |
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12:27:33 | dan_a | Drkepilogue: I don't know why your Rockbox isn't booting. You can test if it's the memcpy thing by editing firmware/SOURCES, and changing the lines that say 'target/arm/memcpy-arm.S' and 'target/arm/memmove-arm.S' to 'common/memcpy.c' and 'common/memmove.c' |
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12:29:30 | Drkepilogue | =/ i do not know what that mean... |
12:29:38 | Drkepilogue | im just a tester... |
12:29:38 | Drkepilogue | >_> |
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12:31:00 | dan_a | Drkepilogue: Did you compile Rockbox yourself? |
12:32:00 | Drkepilogue | no |
12:32:12 | Drkepilogue | i download the cvs |
12:33:19 | dan_a | You downloaded a zip file? |
12:34:10 | Drkepilogue | yup |
12:34:21 | Drkepilogue | then |
12:34:25 | Drkepilogue | extract to ipod |
12:34:40 | Drkepilogue | the way i been upgrading th frmware |
12:34:44 | Drkepilogue | since... ever |
12:34:45 | Drkepilogue | ? |
12:36:01 | dan_a | Drkepilogue: Can you try installing http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodcolor/rockbox-ipodcolor-20070109.zip and see if that works? |
12:37:58 | Drkepilogue | k |
12:39:08 | Drkepilogue | it booted rockbox |
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12:42:46 | dan_a | Drkepilogue: OK, I'm just compiling some builds for you so we can find out what's gone wrong. Can I msg you with the address to download them from? |
12:43:10 | Drkepilogue | uh... im not using irc |
12:43:16 | Drkepilogue | im using that webclient thingy |
12:43:25 | Drkepilogue | if u have AIM u can AIM me |
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12:44:21 | dan_a | No AIM... OK, I'll post the address in here |
12:44:49 | Drkepilogue | k... sry |
12:44:51 | Drkepilogue | =[ |
12:47:03 | dan_a | Drkepilogue: First test: http://www.weirdo.org.uk/rockbox/rockbox-r12005.zip |
12:49:36 | Drkepilogue | k |
12:52:54 | Drkepilogue | it loaded rockbox |
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12:53:49 | dan_a | Drkepilogue: That's the very latest version... I don't know what went wrong with the one you downloaded |
12:54:34 | Drkepilogue | O_O |
12:54:42 | Drkepilogue | creepy |
12:54:54 | Drkepilogue | lemme re dl the lastest and try again |
12:55:18 | dan_a | Can you just confirm the link you're using? |
12:55:34 | Drkepilogue | yeah |
12:56:18 | dan_a | Is it http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodcolor/rockbox.zip? |
12:56:52 | Drkepilogue | yup |
12:56:55 | Drkepilogue | weeeeird |
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13:02:06 | Drkepilogue | *i can confrim that the cvs build on the site doesnt work* |
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13:06:15 | debauched_slot1 | well, this is weird |
13:06:54 | debauched_slot1 | I have had a report of a svn/rockbox build not working when the same source worked fine locally, but I discounted it |
13:07:13 | Drkepilogue | yeah....if they are the samr file, but downloaded from different host, why would it matter at all?? |
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13:09:44 | debauched_slot1 | yes |
13:10:00 | debauched_slot1 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8175.0 |
13:10:13 | debauched_slot1 | that's in the GB forum, same symptoms |
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13:11:05 | Drkepilogue | ah |
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13:11:10 | Drkepilogue | ic |
13:11:13 | Drkepilogue | @_@ |
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13:14:01 | webguest03 | hi, is it still possible to update the source using cvs? and can i update the source i have checked out with cvs with svn or do i have to check out a fresh copy with svn? |
13:17:40 | debauched_slot1 | you need to checkout using svn |
13:20:33 | webguest03 | thank you |
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13:28:40 | amiconn | Bagder: ping... |
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13:41:14 | Redbreva | Bugger! Loading a theme has just left me with white text on white background... |
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13:42:53 | Genre9mp3 | this reminds me that the generated theme .cfg files included in the builds should define bg/fgcolours as well for each themes |
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13:44:02 | Genre9mp3 | ...at least on some themes |
13:44:03 | Redbreva | how dou you reset defaukst on ipod now that HOLD loads original OS? |
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13:45:02 | * | Genre9mp3 has no iPod nor idea |
13:45:32 | amiconn | Redbreva: Also using HOLD, after the bootloader decided to load rockbox |
13:46:26 | Redbreva | Thanks amiconn :-) |
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13:56:56 | linuxstb | Anyone know how to add binary files to SVN? Or is no special action needed? |
13:57:04 | preglow | argh |
13:57:10 | preglow | someone find info on those samsung cores already |
13:57:22 | preglow | linuxstb: svn should autodetect them being binary |
13:57:26 | linuxstb | Which ones? The Gigabeat S / Zune? |
13:57:39 | linuxstb | preglow: OK, thanks. |
13:57:42 | preglow | linuxstb: thinking about nano2g, there are more? :> |
13:58:01 | preglow | linuxstb: not 100% sure, though, but i've never taken any special action and it's worked out |
13:58:03 | linuxstb | Yes, the Gigabeat S/Zune have a ridiculously powerful CPU as well. |
13:58:56 | amiconn | bleh |
13:59:12 | debauched_slot1 | Yes, the GB S/Zune CPU is a bit of overkill, to say the least |
13:59:12 | amiconn | Those fast cpu things are sorta boring |
13:59:18 | dan_a | I thought Gigabeat S/Zune was Freescale? |
13:59:39 | linuxstb | dan_a: Maybe... I'm not 100% sure. |
13:59:45 | debauched_slot1 | yeah, IIRC, ARM9 Core with a vector processor and 3d enhancements |
13:59:48 | daurnimator | dan_a: correct |
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14:00:08 | preglow | amiconn: boring in a way, yes, but also lets you do cool stuff |
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14:00:16 | preglow | like being able to use them as effect boxes... |
14:00:22 | dan_a | i.MX31 - with a manual you can download from the Freescale site... |
14:00:31 | amiconn | Depends on how you define cool. |
14:00:35 | preglow | debauched_slot1: vector processor as well, jesus |
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14:01:52 | preglow | amiconn: cool, as in not wow-i'd-never-expect-you-could-do-that-with-such-an-underpowered-cpu-cool |
14:02:02 | preglow | just good old useful stuff in a small box |
14:02:30 | PaulJam | hi, is it somehow possible to view the latest changes to svn that are not listed on the main page? (the links on the page show only the changes until jan 8.) |
14:02:32 | dan_a | Hmmm... Rockbox with a 3D GUI! |
14:02:53 | amiconn | PaulJam: Yes, prod Bagder to fix the scripts... |
14:03:29 | dan_a | PaulJam: If you've done an SVN checkout, then you can do "svn log" |
14:03:35 | JdGordon | PaulJam: the links to the last 4 weeks still work dont they? |
14:03:48 | JdGordon | .. its just using the cvs script instead of the svn one |
14:04:01 | debauched_slot1 | ARM 11 core, 64 or 128MB memory |
14:04:13 | dan_a | JdGordon: The last change to CVS was on the 8th |
14:04:24 | debauched_slot1 | That would leave some serious buffer space free |
14:04:37 | JdGordon | ok, so you have before the 8th in the last 4 weeks page.. and after thaat on the main page... |
14:05:01 | amiconn | The main page only shows the last 10 changes |
14:05:29 | amiconn | Hrmph, and it lags severely compared to the build table :( |
14:06:18 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: or you can use this: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.cvs |
14:06:45 | debauched_slot1 | Anyone have any idea about what is going on with the Rockbox not loading issue Drkepilogue reported/ |
14:07:02 | debauched_slot1 | we have what looks like the same problem reported by a GB user in the forum |
14:07:14 | PaulJam | svn log seems to work. thank you |
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14:14:07 | linuxstb | debauched_slot1: I haven't investigated yet, but I recently experienced a case on the ipod, where my own compile (with gcc 4.0.3 and binutils 2.16.1) froze on startup, but someone else's build of the same source tree (gcc 4.0.3 and binutils 2.16) worked fine. So it could be interesting to compare binutils versions. |
14:15:12 | linuxstb | (and then compare the binaries...) |
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14:22:15 | Arathis | barrywardell: When radio for h10 would be implemented would it be possible to record with radio as source? |
14:22:57 | barrywardell | it should be possible. it is with the OF IIRC |
14:26:35 | * | Arathis is angry about himself not being able to port the radio code :-/ |
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14:32:33 | Slasheri | linuxstb: just experimenting with scrollwheel acceleration. Now i have integrated speed & position acceleration |
14:32:51 | barrywardell | Arathis: are you trying to adapt the h300 driver? |
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14:34:37 | Onj | Good day to all |
14:36:27 | Arathis | barrywardell: I would, but I don't have the knowledge neither the time (atm) |
14:36:57 | Arathis | I even don't know which language RB is written. But it wouldn't make any difference ^^ |
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14:38:39 | Onj | Does anybody here know about the current voice files? |
14:39:45 | amiconn | Bagder: ping... |
14:40:29 | preglow | Slasheri: looking forward to testing |
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14:43:09 | amiconn | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!! |
14:43:22 | preglow | now what |
14:43:28 | ghost___ | Hello, how can i organize my database like that: artist/album/etc.... -> a-z -> actual artist/album with the beginning letter |
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14:45:09 | ghost___ | ...with the iaudio that is |
14:46:38 | Febs_ | ghost___: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=DataBase |
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14:47:07 | Febs_ | And this forum thread is useful: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6661 |
14:47:21 | ghost___ | Febs: there isnit one preconfigured one for lazy guy s like me ? :-) |
14:47:30 | Febs_ | But start at the end of the thread. The database format changed over the life of the thread, so some of the earlier examples are outdated. |
14:47:35 | ghost___ | Febs: i know both sites |
14:47:45 | ghost___ | but the suggestions on forum did not work |
14:47:46 | ghost___ | for |
14:47:48 | ghost___ | mwe |
14:48:23 | ghost___ | Febs: thanks, will have a look at since i only viewed page 1 |
14:48:50 | Febs_ | Example: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6661.0;attach=1427 |
14:48:51 | Onj | Guess not |
14:48:59 | * | preglow doesn't want wps functionality in a plugin :/ |
14:50:17 | * | pixelma agrees fully |
14:50:49 | Nico_P | preglow: some people don't want anymore functionnality in the cor |
14:50:53 | Nico_P | e |
14:51:06 | preglow | who? |
14:51:18 | preglow | i think the "some people" you talk about just want rockbox size optimised |
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14:51:41 | * | amiconn doesn't get svn to accept the correct binary images in the www module :( |
14:51:43 | Nico_P | maybe |
14:52:16 | preglow | but i don't want stuff that should be in the core, and i seriously think wps qualifies here, placed in a plugin |
14:53:03 | Nico_P | i agree |
14:53:24 | dan_a | But is - for example - album art something that should be in the core? |
14:53:55 | preglow | linuxstb: what kind of dsp core does the av300 series have? |
14:54:01 | preglow | dan_a: definitely yes |
14:54:04 | Nico_P | dan_a: of course !! :D |
14:54:22 | preglow | keep it simple |
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14:55:11 | linuxstb | TI C54x compatible. |
14:55:27 | preglow | hahaha |
14:55:29 | preglow | good luck in using it, then |
14:56:18 | linuxstb | Why? I've been told by the archopen people that datasheets are available. |
14:56:53 | preglow | that would be news to me |
14:57:50 | preglow | assuming we're talking more than basic data sheets |
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14:58:37 | preglow | anyway, if you're going to be writing codecs in dsp asm now, good luck on that too :> |
14:59:20 | linuxstb | preglow: http://focus.ti.com/docs/military/catalog/general/general.jhtml?templateId=5603&path=templatedata/cm/milgeneral/data/dsp_320lc549 |
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15:00:19 | linuxstb | But the 54MHz arm7tdmi should be enough for my needs - i.e. FLAC. |
15:00:32 | dan_a | Yay! Only one conflict from linuxstb's latest commit against my YH-820 tree :D |
15:01:00 | Slasheri | preglow: that speed acceleration seems to work fine, now i need to add framedropping to the list scrolling when speed gets high enough |
15:01:10 | Bagder | bluebrother: it seems the html zip file doesn't build anymore, have you tried it recently? |
15:01:52 | linuxstb | Bagder: bluebrother mentioned something earlier about the .svn files conflicting |
15:01:58 | Bagder | aha |
15:02:01 | Slasheri | first activates automatic paginated scrolling and ofter that comes automatic frame dropping |
15:02:06 | * | amiconn spots bagder |
15:02:09 | Slasheri | *after |
15:02:12 | preglow | linuxstb: so you'll have both hwcodec/swcodec? that sounds... interesting |
15:02:22 | linuxstb | Yes, not sure how the crossfade would work... |
15:02:36 | amiconn | Bagder: There are two things broken on the servers (in case you didn't read the log) |
15:02:45 | Bagder | I didn't |
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15:02:46 | linuxstb | We would want to do mp2/mp3 in the MAS, but that prevents lame-gapless as well... |
15:02:48 | preglow | linuxstb: how do you plan on supporting video, though? i assume that's your primary motivation |
15:03:04 | linuxstb | No, my primary motivation is a 2.5" disk capable of FLAC. |
15:03:12 | amiconn | Bagder: (1) The viewvc links on the front page don't work anymore - permission denied |
15:03:31 | preglow | linuxstb: and there's no more practical devices around than that? looks like a bother to lug that thing around |
15:03:33 | amiconn | (2) The build master itself is in urgent need of an m68k-elf-gcc update |
15:03:55 | amiconn | 3.4.1 ices in libfaad, we need at least 3.4.4, preferably 3.4.6 |
15:04:03 | linuxstb | preglow: If you find one that will be as relatively easy to get Rockbox working on as the av300, please tell me. |
15:04:25 | linuxstb | It's the same size and weight as my Archos Recv1, and I can live with that. |
15:04:32 | preglow | the swcodecs/hwcodec split doesn't exactly sounds easy to me :) |
15:04:47 | preglow | since you'll pretty much need to unify the playback engine |
15:05:16 | linuxstb | No, but that's "just" a software issue. The hardware is well-documented - either with datasheets, or code from ArchOpen, which seems very advanced. |
15:05:33 | linuxstb | I didn't want to have to reverse-engineer hardware. |
15:06:20 | Bagder | amiconn: (1) is zagor's area and I'll fix (2) asap |
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15:06:30 | preglow | i wonder what the state of dsp c assemblers are |
15:06:31 | preglow | ehh |
15:06:32 | preglow | compilers |
15:06:38 | preglow | last i checked, you were pretty much tied to using asm |
15:06:54 | amiconn | Oh, and (3): Why do manual commits trigger a rebuild? |
15:07:05 | Bagder | preglow: there are commercial ones for that TI dsp |
15:07:17 | Bagder | amiconn: (3) to be fixed at a later time |
15:07:30 | Bagder | currently every repo change triggers a rebuild |
15:08:01 | preglow | Bagder: but are they any good? |
15:08:09 | Bagder | no idea |
15:08:16 | Bagder | the neuros guys discuss them at times |
15:08:38 | Bagder | they also discuss the failed gcc port and possibilty of doing a _new_ compiler for it |
15:09:04 | preglow | hahahah |
15:09:09 | preglow | making a good c compiler for a dsp has to be a nightmare |
15:09:14 | Bagder | amen |
15:09:20 | preglow | what with the odd memory architectures and heavy pipelining |
15:09:30 | debauched_slot1 | second that amen |
15:09:42 | preglow | also, i can't see how making automatic use of the mac units can happen |
15:11:34 | preglow | hrm, seems there's something called embedded c which supports fixed point math directly |
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15:13:16 | preglow | gcc 4.3 will have improved coldfire support |
15:13:23 | preglow | now, if they could only get 4.2 out the door |
15:13:25 | Bagder | woo |
15:14:42 | amiconn | preglow: As long as they don't fix the crappy behaviour being in 4.1.x and/or add all the various coldfire targets from binutils to gcc, we won't be able to use it |
15:15:34 | preglow | amiconn: what would that be? i forgot |
15:15:46 | Bagder | there, made build datestamp in UTC |
15:16:18 | amiconn | preglow: gcc 4.1.x and up always pass the -m parameter on to gas |
15:16:29 | Bagder | next step would be to attempt 'svnversion' in the source dir to provide svn revision in the version string |
15:16:30 | amiconn | But gcc doesn't know the 5249, only 5206e |
15:16:59 | amiconn | So compiling with m68k-elf-gcc 4.1.x will fail either way |
15:17:05 | preglow | amiconn: 4.3 will revise the -m system, i think |
15:17:13 | preglow | anyway, has this been reported to them? |
15:17:24 | amiconn | Not by me |
15:18:10 | preglow | we could just fix this with a small patch as usual |
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15:24:34 | Bagder | build master m68k-elf-gcc updated |
15:26:09 | amiconn | Bagder: Do you have an idea why I am unable to restore properly working images in the www module? |
15:26:30 | Bagder | no, but I haven't investigated anything |
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15:26:39 | amiconn | I tried to do it the same way as I used for repairing the simulatr backgrounds, but it didn't work |
15:26:54 | Bagder | odd |
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15:27:23 | amiconn | Set the mime type (first I tried the correct type, i.e. image/jpeg etc), replaced the file itself with a cvs checkout, and committed |
15:27:41 | Bagder | yeah, afaik that should work |
15:27:48 | amiconn | The mime type got set properly, but the file itself is still wrong in svn |
15:28:02 | amiconn | ...and overwrote my working, local versions |
15:28:28 | amiconn | Then I replaced them again and tried to commit, but svn doesn't find a difference and hence doesn't commit... |
15:29:14 | debauched_slot1 | amiconn: if you don't care about the history, you could svn rm the files and try again |
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15:36:41 | Lear | amiconn: I'm pretty sure I've made working builds with m68k-elf-gcc 4.1.x... Did need to do some makefile changes though. |
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16:02:25 | Soap | Mouser_X3: Are you the one behind http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatRuntime? |
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16:10:35 | Slasheri | preglow: hehe, now i can scroll a list of about 5000 tracks from top to down in under 10s :) |
16:10:56 | Slasheri | i would say ipod scolling now works better ;) |
16:11:06 | PaulJam_ | weird, my pc just froze and 2 seconds later my h300 froze too. |
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16:13:44 | Mikachu | Slasheri: did you implement in button driver or tree browser or both? |
16:14:09 | Slasheri | Mikachu: button driver, and then i optimized the gui list code also |
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16:32:50 | Slasheri | preglow: it seems that direct speed controlled scrolling seems to work the best |
16:33:06 | Slasheri | it's very accurate on slow speeds and increasing speeds, it becomes extremely fast |
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16:33:20 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Can you upload a 5g build that I could test? |
16:33:20 | Slasheri | and reacts to speed changes almost immediately |
16:33:24 | Slasheri | linuxstb: i will do that very soon |
16:33:29 | Slasheri | it's still not commit ready |
16:33:48 | Slasheri | linuxstb: do you want a patch or a complete build? |
16:34:02 | linuxstb | Whichever is easiest for you. I'm happy with just a build. |
16:34:14 | Slasheri | ok, then i will just send the build :) |
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16:34:15 | linuxstb | I'm just curious to see how it feels. |
16:34:16 | Slasheri | just a moment |
16:34:39 | Slasheri | i have tried two different approaches and it seems like the speed control alone feels the best |
16:35:33 | linuxstb | Does it feel the same when a CPU-intensive codec is playing? |
16:35:36 | bluebrother | Bagder, make manual-zip works fine for me. But: sometimes building fails completely with messages about permissiong ... |
16:35:48 | Bagder | hm, ok I'll research |
16:36:03 | bluebrother | and it affects files like manual/configure_rockbox/images/.svn/text-base/ss-sound-settings-176x220x16.png.svn-base': Permission denied |
16:36:04 | Bagder | I noticed that the links are missing on the manual page because there are no html zips present |
16:36:28 | linuxstb | Do many people download the html zips? |
16:36:34 | Slasheri | linuxstb: there, please try out :) |
16:36:38 | Bagder | I don't know, haven't checked |
16:36:56 | Slasheri | the speed is not yet optimized to be as "user friendly" as possible |
16:37:11 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Thanks. |
16:37:32 | Slasheri | linuxstb: and please try with paged scrolling _disabled_ :) |
16:37:43 | Slasheri | then you see how it automatically activates |
16:37:58 | bluebrother | hmm, make clean seems to fix it. |
16:38:24 | bluebrother | let's see if and when this occurs again −− already had this a couple of days before |
16:39:36 | linuxstb | Slasheri: The fast-scrolling kicks in too early for my taste. In short lists, I'm overshooting constantly... |
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16:40:21 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, very possible. Currently it depends entirely how fast you move the wheel |
16:40:22 | linuxstb | (short = less than 100 items) |
16:40:34 | Slasheri | so there is no steps when it "kicks in" |
16:40:48 | linuxstb | I guess I'm used to moving it fast, so maybe I'll get used to it... |
16:40:57 | Slasheri | :) |
16:41:31 | linuxstb | BTW, what size font are you normally using? |
16:41:42 | linuxstb | I have the system font. |
16:41:48 | Slasheri | hmm, but maybe it could still accelerate little slower, so the change wouldn't be immediate |
16:42:00 | Slasheri | hmm, currently i have a theme with a very small font |
16:42:20 | Slasheri | something like over 20 entries / page |
16:43:17 | linuxstb | I think the system font gives be about 30/page. |
16:43:39 | Bagder | 240/8 = 30 |
16:43:48 | Slasheri | oh, i will try that too |
16:45:23 | linuxstb | One small bug... I just told tagcache to initialise itself, so the Update In Background splash came up. But scrolling in the same menu afterwards doesn't remove the splash. |
16:45:52 | Slasheri | ah, yep. Those glitches are still to be fixed |
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16:46:13 | Slasheri | we need to call gui_synclist_refresh() for it to redraw the entire screen |
16:46:27 | linuxstb | Does this build have reduced backlight brightness? |
16:46:45 | Slasheri | oh, yes it has =) |
16:46:54 | linuxstb | Well, I _think_ it's working on my 5g... |
16:47:05 | Slasheri | nice |
16:47:32 | linuxstb | It's just a write to a register to change the brightness? |
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16:49:03 | Slasheri | linuxstb: in fact that bit i found, just dropped the brightness level a bit |
16:49:13 | Slasheri | probably it changed something in the I/O-register |
16:49:25 | linuxstb | Scrolling fast through a long list, I see about 3 highlight bars at the same time... |
16:49:54 | Slasheri | hehe, that is a glitch too :) will be fixed |
16:50:21 | linuxstb | I'm just testing with a large font now, see if that feels different. |
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16:50:37 | Slasheri | actually there should be just one bar, but it seems like there are more |
16:52:12 | linuxstb | But I definitely think the scrolling is now too fast, it jumps into paged mode before I would want it to.... |
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16:52:35 | linuxstb | How about making the scrolling similar to the seeking acceleration in the WPS? i.e. based on the duration of the track (i.e. length of the list). |
16:52:35 | Slasheri | yeah, i will do some adjustments soon |
16:52:56 | Slasheri | hmm, that |
16:53:00 | Slasheri | ups |
16:53:09 | Slasheri | might be work too |
16:54:29 | linuxstb | It would also be nice to put the acceleration in the list code - so it helps all targets when scrolling through very long lists. |
16:55:07 | Slasheri | hmm, that would not work |
16:55:18 | Slasheri | it needs to know the wheel rotating speed |
16:55:20 | Soap | how does your lcd brightness technique differ from the existing ipod backlight patch, Slasheri ? |
16:55:21 | * | amiconn still wonders why one would want faster scrolling than in svn |
16:55:24 | Slasheri | and with joystick there is no speed |
16:55:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: you don't have an ipod? =) |
16:55:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: Enable tagcache, then browse one of the long lists... |
16:55:49 | amiconn | Slasheri: I do have an ipod. |
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16:56:16 | amiconn | My problem rather is to scroll exactlyt to the line I want, without overshooting |
16:56:25 | amiconn | I certainly don't need any acceleration |
16:56:35 | Slasheri | amiconn: that will be fixed too but this feature |
16:56:56 | Slasheri | amiconn: with low rotation speed, it would scroll very slowly |
16:57:17 | Slasheri | (lower than it does now in my patch) |
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16:57:22 | Slasheri | *slower |
16:57:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Prepared yet another port while the previous one doesn't even play anything? ;) |
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16:57:48 | sandeen_ | hmm |
16:57:49 | sandeen_ | [ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting |
16:57:51 | sandeen_ | osx... |
16:58:00 | sandeen_ | it's the ipod device that I just unmounted.. |
16:58:09 | sandeen_ | this is from ipodpatcher. any ideas? |
16:58:17 | Soap | what model iPod? |
16:58:29 | linuxstb | sandeen_: It's not the device you unmounted, it's the "whole-disk" device - e.g. /dev/disk1 |
16:58:56 | sandeen_ | Soap, 4g grey screen |
16:59:01 | sandeen_ | linuxstb, I pointed it at the partition |
16:59:06 | sandeen_ | was I supposed to point it at the disk instead? |
16:59:23 | sandeen_ | oh. |
16:59:27 | * | sandeen_ RTFM's more closely |
16:59:28 | sandeen_ | sorry... |
16:59:44 | sandeen_ | *cough* that works... carry on.... :) |
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17:05:45 | [Sur`DataGhost] | lol linuxstb |
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17:05:53 | DataGhost | this has to be one of the funniest things ever |
17:06:05 | DataGhost | a copypaste of a file opened in a hexeditor in a textfile :P |
17:08:46 | sandeen_ | hey at least it's not a screenshot taken with a digital camera |
17:08:50 | * | sandeen_ gets those for kernel bugs :) |
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17:10:00 | DataGhost | :P |
17:10:28 | DataGhost | would be hell indeed, if OCR got a few bits wrong in a hexdump-picture, heh |
17:11:34 | sandeen_ | cool it booted :) now to make voice files work for my sight-impaired sister in law.... |
17:12:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
17:12:57 | DataGhost | lucky you |
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17:13:04 | DataGhost | I'm stuck with a 5.5G 80GB and no way to help :( |
17:13:53 | sandeen_ | well I hope I can make this work |
17:14:09 | sandeen_ | someone gave her this ipod thinking it would be helpful, and ipods are just fancy shiny bricks for someone who can't see :( |
17:14:47 | sandeen_ | hmm I suppose she desn't know it's shiny either.... fancy -smooth- bricks |
17:15:28 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
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17:16:08 | sandeen_ | i imagine I can script things up w/ festival ok, but on her windows box no idea how to keep voice files up to date with the contents of her ipod.... |
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17:16:41 | Mikachu | sell it and buy a more rockbox friendly device |
17:17:05 | sandeen_ | perhaps. she has an mp3 player made specifically for blind users but it's pretty horribly clunky too |
17:17:15 | sandeen_ | i was curious to see how well this works on the ipod, since she has it now |
17:17:29 | Mikachu | ah that wasn't the 80GB one |
17:17:37 | sandeen_ | nope this is 40G 4G |
17:20:33 | KCC | why won't rockbox run on the 80gb iPod? |
17:20:33 | KCC | just out of curiosity |
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17:21:45 | sandeen_ | oh darn. was reading menus just fine, now it locked up :( |
17:22:43 | * | sandeen_ wonders how to reset the thing now |
17:22:54 | Mikachu | menu+select? |
17:23:24 | sandeen_ | yeah guess so :) |
17:23:31 | sandeen_ | so is there a crashlog saved somewhere? :) |
17:24:14 | Soap | KCC: that's the question isn't it? |
17:24:18 | sandeen_ | this is badass if it will work reliably.... nice job guys :) |
17:25:06 | sandeen_ | so does the rockbox firmware not see any of the original ipod firmware's media files? |
17:25:52 | KCC | is there any physical differences? |
17:25:55 | KCC | like... processor? |
17:26:05 | sandeen_ | :( just locked up again :( |
17:26:43 | sandeen_ | clickwheel brings the backlight back up, but menus don't respond |
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17:30:13 | fasmaie_ | Is anyone having problems with the recent gigabeat SVN builds? |
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17:30:32 | fasmaie_ | Bootup keeps hanging at 'loading rockbox' |
17:30:52 | Soap | KCC: the belief is the only difference is in the hard drive itself. |
17:31:27 | Soap | sandeen_: there is a build in the "unsupported builds" forum for constantly crashing 4th gen iPods. |
17:31:41 | sandeen_ | Soap, ah, cool. so known issue |
17:32:23 | ghost___ | is it ok to charge iaudio x5 with rockbox? |
17:33:38 | sandeen_ | Soap, " FS #5264 ? System Freeze: iPod Photo 60GB" I guess? |
17:34:58 | sandeen_ | oh the frequency scaling topic maybe |
17:37:06 | sandeen_ | If this issue isn't yet fully understood can I gather any data to help? or is that not needed at this point |
17:37:09 | Soap | can someone explain some of the terms in " FS #5234 — lcd brightness for ipod 5g"? |
17:37:37 | Soap | he says in the FS description "Backlight pwm controlling is already used for backlight fading on ipod 5g (and some other players)." |
17:38:24 | Soap | pwm? Pulse Width Modulation? Is this patch just flicking the backlight on and off to acheive reduced brightness? |
17:41:10 | Mikachu | yes |
17:41:40 | Soap | is that a very kosher way to acheive long-term brightness control? |
17:43:53 | Soap | I'm no expert on the hardware, but high frequency switching of the backlight seems kind of stressful. Am I ignorant/nuts? |
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17:47:39 | Mikachu | i don't think leds care about being switched on and off |
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17:51:45 | sandeen_ | what does "long play" mean in the docs?' |
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17:54:23 | Mikachu | for a button press? |
17:54:27 | Mikachu | hold down play long |
17:54:28 | fairway | i want the iphone! |
17:54:40 | sandeen_ | Mikachu, presumeably not so long that it turns of...? |
17:54:48 | sandeen_ | so there's short, long, and reallylong/OFF? :) |
17:54:48 | Mikachu | so i would assume |
17:54:54 | Mikachu | unless you are reading the section on shutting down |
17:54:58 | * | sandeen_ thinks up more stupid questions ;-) |
17:55:06 | Mikachu | long is like 0.5 seconds or so |
17:55:17 | sandeen_ | i guess i should just fiddle with this a bit more eh |
17:57:14 | sandeen_ | oh cool so database view can find all the files that itunes had on there... |
17:57:25 | Mikachu | you can find them yourself too |
17:57:34 | Mikachu | view All files and go somewhere in ipod_control |
17:57:37 | sandeen_ | ok |
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17:57:56 | sandeen_ | although I think it will be easier for her to just use it via a normal file manager interface, itunes also sucks for blind users |
17:58:38 | Mikachu | normally you'll remove that whole filetree after installing rockbox :) |
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17:58:55 | sandeen_ | yeah until I saw if it was working i figured I wouldn't do that :) |
17:59:04 | sandeen_ | any idea if itunes can still see it as a normal ipod when rockbox is on it? |
17:59:14 | sandeen_ | it's just a disk to itunes I'd guess? |
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18:00:02 | D0ug | How do you start your sansa e200 in recovery mode? |
18:01:43 | Mikachu | sandeen_: as long as you don't remove the ipod_control thing |
18:01:52 | Mikachu | sandeen_: although i've never actually used itunes so i'm only guessing |
18:01:58 | sandeen_ | :) ok |
18:02:10 | sandeen_ | I think it'll be easier for her to use her windows explorer filemanager thingy anyhoo |
18:03:30 | sandeen_ | hmm so how do I make it start playing a new artist I select, rather than adding it to the end of the current playlist...? |
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18:06:05 | ankka | $ ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda2 -r bootpartition.bin |
18:06:06 | ankka | -bash: ./ipodpatcher: Permission denied |
18:06:15 | ankka | I get this error on linux |
18:06:25 | ankka | trying to use ipodpatcher.. |
18:06:51 | ankka | but fat32 shouldn't worry about permissions? |
18:06:52 | barrywardell | D0ug: put hold on, then hold record while turning it on. |
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18:07:45 | preglow | amiconn: you honestly think current svn is nice for scrolling through long lists??? |
18:08:30 | ankka | ah, forgot to make the ipodpatcher executable |
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18:12:23 | linuxphile | Is there any special configuration needed to get the gigabeat f40 playing video? |
18:14:57 | * | Genre9mp3 just realised that there are 150+ people logged in atm |
18:16:12 | Genre9mp3 | linuxphile: what do you mean special configuration? |
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18:16:42 | linuxphile | Is there any additional software needed? |
18:17:24 | Genre9mp3 | If you mean how you can convert your videos: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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18:18:07 | Genre9mp3 | and more specifically: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Encoding |
18:19:26 | linuxphile | thanks! |
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18:23:26 | KCC | rockbox is gettin' pretty popular |
18:24:03 | Mikachu | preglow: i am guessing he has very organized music :) |
18:24:56 | Mikachu | preglow: i tried espeak -v sv on some swedish tongue twisters, it doesn't do too well on the "sju sjösjuka sjömän ..." one :) |
18:26:21 | preglow | jhahahaha |
18:26:39 | preglow | sj in swedish can be a pretty weird sound too |
18:27:11 | KCC | hmm, how would you pronounce that in english? |
18:27:14 | Mikachu | yeah, it really stands out |
18:27:16 | Mikachu | you wouldn't |
18:27:33 | Mikachu | think groundskeeper willie in simpsons saying ach |
18:27:33 | KCC | lol, whats the closest? |
18:28:05 | KCC | wow... |
18:28:17 | KCC | so then would does... "sjösjuka" sound like? |
18:28:26 | KCC | ive been told swedish was a very awkward language |
18:28:37 | Mikachu | then you were lied to :) |
18:28:59 | KCC | most likely |
18:29:22 | preglow | sjuk has a sound similar to the one in "loch" |
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18:29:55 | Mikachu | ah yes, that too |
18:29:59 | linuxstb | ankka: You want /dev/sda, not /dev/sda2... |
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18:30:31 | Slasheri | hmm, now the scrolling works even better and i think even amiconn should no longer overshoot entries so easily :) |
18:30:38 | KCC | ach-?-loch-? |
18:32:18 | Mikachu | ask your local scot |
18:32:47 | dpassen1 | Slasheri: Has anyone tested the flashing plugin yet? |
18:33:01 | Slasheri | dpassen1: for iriver? yes, it works fine |
18:33:26 | dpassen1 | I seem to remember it being disabled in the svn log |
18:33:45 | Slasheri | for H115 and those |
18:34:01 | Slasheri | it works only for H120/H140 as it did before |
18:34:17 | dpassen1 | Oh, excellent. I believe I'll update my bootloader shortly |
18:34:26 | Slasheri | :) |
18:34:34 | dpassen1 | Looking forward to trying out Rombox |
18:34:54 | dpassen1 | I haven't yet decided which to go with (Flashed Rockbox or Flashed Rombox) |
18:35:24 | Slasheri | you can try both |
18:37:20 | dpassen1 | The version 7-pre3 bootloader will still load my flashed rockbox, yes? |
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18:37:57 | Slasheri | yes, after you flash it again |
18:38:55 | BigBambi | Slasheri, will the new bootloader boot rockbox off disk too? I would like the voltage readout on USB, but update the build so often I don't fancy flashing all the time |
18:39:16 | Soap | Slasheri needs to stop teasing me and release a patch. |
18:39:30 | Slasheri | BigBambi: of course, you can also set that as the default option |
18:39:36 | Slasheri | but now need to go, back soon -> |
18:39:47 | BigBambi | So I could use it without rockbox flashed at all? |
18:39:49 | BigBambi | OK, thanks |
18:40:58 | andrewg | argh, stupid errors |
18:41:17 | andrewg | /usr/src/sansa-e200-build/apps/plugins/jewels.o: In function `jewels_drawboard': |
18:41:21 | andrewg | jewels.c:(.text.jewels_drawboard+0x300): undefined reference to `jewels' |
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18:47:26 | linuxstb | andrewg: It's probably missing bitmaps - you need to make sure they are specified in apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/SOURCES |
18:47:56 | drklabyrinth | umm... |
18:48:05 | drklabyrinth | i think that when you change the font in rockbox |
18:48:12 | andrewg | linuxstb: oh I see what you mean, thanks |
18:48:21 | drklabyrinth | it also changes the font in the original firmware |
18:48:35 | linuxphile | so I've loaded rockbox on my brother's gigabeat but now the playing is stuttering, plays for a second, stops, then resumes playing, like the cpu is overloaded |
18:48:48 | linuxstb | drklabyrinth: Sounds unlikely... |
18:49:27 | drklabyrinth | linuxstb, perhaps i've just gotten used to rockbox quickly...the original firmware looks a tad off though |
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18:50:05 | dionoea | hello |
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18:50:38 | amiconn | Bagder: The broken images all have the svn property 'svn:eol-style' set explicitly... |
18:50:57 | ankka | err... how do I reset the theme in rockbox? this one somehow is totally blank, only black... unusable |
18:51:00 | Debauched_sloth | Linuxphile: if this is gigabeat, make sure you update the bootloader |
18:51:11 | linuxstb | ankka: On the ipod? |
18:51:17 | ankka | linuxstb: yeah |
18:51:33 | ankka | already deleted the theme files, didn't help |
18:51:33 | linuxstb | Turn the hold switch on as soon you see the Rockbox bootloader appear. |
18:51:42 | amiconn | Aha, that was the problem.... I'll commit a new attempt at fixing them soon |
18:52:07 | ankka | linuxstb: that just boots the original firmware... I want to get rockbox use another theme :) |
18:52:22 | Soap | who is the maintainer of rockboxdev.sh? |
18:52:42 | linuxstb | ankka: No, turning the hold switch on before the bootloader appears will start the original firmware. |
18:53:04 | linuxstb | Soap: Bagder wrote it originally IIRC, but it's in SVN, so anyone can change it. |
18:53:23 | ankka | linuxstb: ah, ok :D |
18:53:57 | Soap | I ask because I ran it last night, and it (or I) failed to update my arm compiler. I'm running it again and directing the output to a text file to try and see if I can find an error message. |
18:54:16 | linuxstb | Soap: It won't delete any existing compilers... |
18:54:32 | Soap | so is my problem a failure to switch over to the new ones? |
18:54:40 | linuxstb | If you have an older gcc, you should either delete it, or make sure the new one is first in the path. |
18:55:05 | Soap | I didn't even think about path order. Thanks. |
18:55:07 | linuxstb | i.e. do PATH=/my/new/path:$PATH instead of PATH=$PATH:/my/new/path |
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19:04:16 | Phantompyro | hello? |
19:04:27 | andrewg | hi |
19:05:16 | Phantompyro | ok maybe im retarded but anyways how do i get to the filebrowser (ipod4g) |
19:05:19 | BigBambi | Slasheri: When you return - Using the latest SVN build, I downloaded bootlader.iriver v7pre3 from the wiki and opened it with iriver_flash. It said "update bootlader [play to confirm]", I pressed play and it said Incompatible/Untested bootloader. I've checked the MD5 sum and it is as on the wiki page. Any ideas? |
19:05:59 | Slasheri | BigBambi: did you also updated to the bleeding edge rockbox build? |
19:06:01 | dpassen1 | BigBambi: I had the same problem, I think you need a newer build of rockbox (with a newer build of iriver_flash) |
19:06:07 | Slasheri | BigBambi: copying just the rockbox.iriver is not enough |
19:06:10 | BigBambi | Yep, latest SVN |
19:06:24 | BigBambi | I even deleted .rockbox to make sure it overwrote properly |
19:06:31 | linuxstb | Phantompyro: From where? Unless you changed a setting, Rockbox will start in the file browser. |
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19:06:43 | dpassen1 | Did you use rolo to load the new rockbox build? |
19:06:56 | BigBambi | no, shutdown then switched on again |
19:07:09 | BigBambi | In Info - version, it is the latest from today as well |
19:07:12 | Slasheri | BigBambi: weird.. if you verified that md5sum of the bootloader.iriver matches, then there is no other possibility than you rockbox build is not the latest one |
19:07:31 | BigBambi | odd, as I deleted the whole lot from my player! |
19:07:39 | BigBambi | I'll try once again |
19:07:43 | dpassen1 | Slasheri: I'm compiling right now (latest source), I'll verify |
19:07:48 | Slasheri | dpassen1: good |
19:09:27 | Phantompyro | ok, so for rockbox i have to put each song on manually? |
19:10:04 | linuxstb | Phantompyro: Read this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ (especially the section about listening to music transferred with itunes) |
19:10:15 | Phantompyro | thanks |
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19:11:27 | BigBambi | Slasheri, Really odd - I have the lastest SVN from the site (iriver_flash.rock has a modified date of 09.20 this morning), I've rebooted and even reset settings, and still incompatible version |
19:11:56 | BigBambi | Would the details of the flash chip it displays before pressing play help? |
19:11:58 | Slasheri | BigBambi: did you boot from disk? |
19:12:13 | Slasheri | nope, the chip itself should be fine |
19:12:14 | BigBambi | yep, i don't have rockbox flashed atm |
19:12:31 | BigBambi | just standard bootloader 6 and rockbox on disk |
19:12:37 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
19:13:02 | Slasheri | weird.. just a moment |
19:13:02 | Phantompyro | linuxstb:so should i just delete all the folders under iPod_Control\Music ? |
19:14:14 | Slasheri | BigBambi: iriver_flash.c, line 347: |
19:14:15 | Slasheri | { 63788, 0x08ff01a9 }, /* 7-pre3, improved failsafe functions */ |
19:14:19 | Slasheri | is that correct? |
19:14:34 | BigBambi | not sure - i grabbed the precompiled one from the site. |
19:14:42 | BigBambi | I can checkout and build if that helps? |
19:14:46 | Soap | Phantompyro: you "should" do whatever you want. If you want to continue to use iTunes to manage your music iTunes will place songs in iPod_Control\Music. If you want to throw iTunes away forever you /can/ delete that folder and simply drop music onto your player like any other drive. |
19:14:56 | Slasheri | ah, i thought you had built it from SVN |
19:15:10 | BigBambi | no, just downloaded it from build.rockbox.org |
19:15:34 | Soap | If you want to continue to use iTunes to manage your music, you will be well advised to browse your music with Rockbox's "Database" feature, which displays songs based on their tags. |
19:15:35 | BigBambi | i can build though, in case there is something odd with the precompiled |
19:15:36 | Slasheri | hmm, weird.. if you can, please try building it yourself |
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19:15:45 | BigBambi | will do - give me a few minutes |
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19:17:00 | dan_a | andrewg: Still around? |
19:17:24 | Phantompyro | Soap: i dont like using Itunes so i dont plan to use it if i dont need to, but iPod_Control\Music files the ones which i should delete from my ipod in order to remove the "itunes" way of storing songs? |
19:17:49 | dpassen1 | Slasheri: Latest source flashes bootloader |
19:18:02 | Slasheri | dpassen1: good |
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19:18:15 | Soap | Phantompyro: that is the folder in which all iTunes added music is stored. So if you don't mind removing all those tracks from your player - feel free to delete that vestigal organ. |
19:18:34 | Soap | s/vestigal/vestigial |
19:20:10 | BigBambi | Just checking out now - VM image takes ages to boot! |
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19:22:33 | Mikachu | Phantompyro: if you're not going to use itunes at all, nor the original firmware, you can remove the whole ipod_control dir |
19:23:51 | Phantompyro | Mikachu: will i have any trouble setting the ipod into disk mode or whatnot without it? |
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19:24:40 | sekondchakra | I'm new to RB on my new X5L, and for the life of me I can't find any guidance anywhere on how to install new WPS themes! |
19:25:02 | sekondchakra | Can someone point me in the right direction? |
19:25:13 | ankka | hmm, how long should initializing the db take? |
19:25:19 | ankka | on a nano |
19:25:19 | amiconn | Ah, finally :) |
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19:26:25 | terinjokes | hey, anybody here running on an ipod nano 2GB? |
19:26:31 | ankka | terinjokes: me |
19:26:59 | BigBambi | Slasheri, it worked! For some reason however, the latest pre compiled SVN on build.rockbox.org doesn't |
19:27:02 | terinjokes | ankka: would you like to help out a Linux user by breaking copyright laws? |
19:27:10 | Soap | Phantompyro: no, removal of the folders (including contacts, notes, et. al) will cause no problems. iTunes will seamlessly recreate them if you switch back. |
19:27:13 | ankka | terinjokes: huh? |
19:27:19 | ankka | I'm one, too :P |
19:27:38 | Slasheri | BigBambi: that is weird.. maybe Bagder could answer that :) |
19:27:41 | terinjokes | I've corrupted my ipod... |
19:27:54 | ankka | terinjokes: sounds bad |
19:28:08 | BigBambi | Yeah :) Anyway, seeing as it was good when I built it myself, thanks very much for the help |
19:28:15 | terinjokes | the ipod tells me to use itunes to restore :-D' |
19:28:33 | Phantompyro | Soap: ok thanks for the help |
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19:28:52 | Mikachu | terinjokes: i have a bzipped firmware partition lying around if that helps |
19:29:38 | ankka | terinjokes: listen to Mikachu, not me, I installed just a couple of hours ago :P |
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19:30:15 | terinjokes | thanks Mikachu |
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19:30:42 | GodEaterWeb | well I'm stumped |
19:30:46 | terinjokes | this is my first time installing from linux (used to be an OSX user...) |
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19:31:02 | Mikachu | isn't the first step to backup your firmware partition and mbr? :) |
19:31:07 | GodEaterWeb | no idea why the sh and m69k builds were failing on my server - I installed all three cross compilers |
19:31:19 | sekondchakra | ankka I have the same question... |
19:31:23 | GodEaterWeb | and when I started investigating this morning by manually running the acbuild.pl script |
19:31:35 | GodEaterWeb | when it was done - but whole rbclient directory was gone |
19:31:39 | GodEaterWeb | INCLUDING the acbuild.pl |
19:31:40 | ankka | sekondchakra: which one? |
19:31:43 | GodEaterWeb | so it's completely broken now |
19:31:58 | sekondchakra | "how long should initializing the db take?" that one? |
19:32:01 | sekondchakra | did you get an answer? |
19:32:09 | ankka | ah, no, didn't |
19:32:12 | terinjokes | Mikachu: no, the first step is to convert the ipod from HFS+ to FAT32 :D |
19:32:24 | sekondchakra | I'm sure "How many files do you have?" will be the response! |
19:32:38 | ankka | sekondchakra: mine has been doing it for like 15 minutes... 2GB ipod not even close to full |
19:32:52 | ankka | maybe 10 cd's :| |
19:32:53 | terinjokes | ankka: reboot the ipod |
19:32:55 | Mikachu | terinjokes: ah, this is a fat32 one |
19:33:02 | terinjokes | good :D |
19:33:02 | Mikachu | terinjokes: in that case you may want to accept the second file too, it's the mbr |
19:33:16 | terinjokes | i got the mbr (from the website) |
19:33:21 | Mikachu | ah |
19:33:32 | sekondchakra | Yeah...I'm never sure how long to let it run... I wish it would display a message, or something... |
19:33:32 | Mikachu | in that case you can ignore the second file :P |
19:33:45 | sekondchakra | "database building finished. restart." |
19:33:49 | sekondchakra | something... |
19:33:51 | GodEaterWeb | LinusN / Bagder / Amiconn: (or anyone else) can someone mail me the acbuild.pl again and I'll have another go |
19:34:12 | ankka | sekondchakra: but you have managed to do it? |
19:34:21 | terinjokes | sekondchakra: if your on the default theme, on the menus you well see a spinning thing, when it disappears, reboot |
19:34:43 | sekondchakra | ankka i HAVE managed to do it, yes... |
19:34:53 | ankka | sekondchakra: ok, great ;) |
19:35:03 | sekondchakra | terinjokes..thanks! I'll look for that! |
19:35:23 | sekondchakra | can anyone point me to instructions on how to install WPS screens?? |
19:35:29 | Mikachu | isn't there a progress thing in the debug menu somewhere? |
19:35:36 | sekondchakra | ('themes')? |
19:36:11 | ankka | sekondchakra: haha, looks like I just didn't know I needed to reboot, too :D |
19:36:32 | sekondchakra | When I first loaded RB−−that took me awhile to figure out too! |
19:36:50 | sekondchakra | Does anyone know if a "warm reboot", as it were, is possible on RB? |
19:37:01 | sekondchakra | Do I have to always completely shutdown and then restart? |
19:38:13 | Phish| | sekondchakra: when you download the theme, generally the files are organized in the zip so you can just unzip the file to either .rockbox or the themes folder on your media player |
19:38:15 | terinjokes | sekondchakra: for now, yes |
19:38:26 | Soap | running rockboxdev.sh I keep getting the error: |
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19:38:31 | Soap | "bucomm.o(.text+0xa19): In function `make_tempname': |
19:38:31 | Soap | ../../binutils-2.16.1/binutils/bucomm.c:425: warning: the use of `mktemp' is dan |
19:38:31 | Soap | gerous, better use `mkstemp' |
19:38:31 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Soap |
19:38:31 | Soap | " |
19:38:38 | Soap | is this fatal, or safely ignored? |
19:38:39 | amiconn | GodEaterWeb: pm... |
19:39:14 | sekondchakra | Phish| OK...cool... I don't think I would have expected it to be THAT easy! |
19:40:40 | sekondchakra | is a warm-reboot possible in the original firmware (somehow I don't think so..)? |
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19:41:09 | Phish| | sekondchakra: it sure is. then you just go to the settings panel on rockbox and browse the themes |
19:41:30 | Phish| | so you can have as many themes on the device as will fit, then change at will |
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19:42:14 | sekondchakra | Phish| Extremely cool... Now I have to figure out why my short-on is no longer starting up RB on my dual-boot X5L!! :-O |
19:42:41 | bagawk_ | Bagder: looks like viewc has died do to a permission error |
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19:43:41 | Slasheri | linuxstb: i think now the scolling works a little better. Would like to try again? =) |
19:43:50 | sekondchakra | anyone else dual-booting and having this problem?? |
19:44:55 | sekondchakra | oh crap. There is goes. Now it's working again! I must be a VERY short "on"? |
19:44:59 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Sure. |
19:45:21 | Slasheri | ok, sending now :) |
19:45:30 | Llorean | sekondchakra: The dual booter is unofficial software on the X5. |
19:45:30 | Phish| | sekondchakra: i have no clue what you're talking about |
19:45:53 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, that was too fast. Please erase the old file :) |
19:45:58 | terinjokes | in linux, how do i 'eject' a device (like the ipod)? |
19:46:48 | terinjokes | Mikachu: what ipod do you have? |
19:47:06 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Done. |
19:47:37 | sekondchakra | thanks for the help, guys... I would have given up on this stuff days ago if not for helpful dudes like y'all... |
19:47:44 | sekondchakra | :D |
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19:48:56 | bluebrother | terinjokes, try "eject" |
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19:52:36 | terinjokes | ok, i need to install the bootloader, which files do i need to compile ipodpatcher (unless i can issue the commands manually) |
19:55:38 | linuxstb | cd tools/ipodpatcher ; make |
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19:57:08 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Does the list scrolling just move the cursor by either one item or one page? |
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19:58:05 | Slasheri | linuxstb: it always moves by one item. But when scrolling speed increases, eventually frame dropping kicks in to keep it fast |
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19:58:57 | linuxstb | It just seems to go from slow to fast, with nothing in between... |
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20:00:09 | Slasheri | hmm, then you just scroll it too fast =) |
20:00:38 | Slasheri | you can slow down scrolling speed and scrolling also slows down |
20:01:46 | linuxstb | But I'm probably not the best tester, I do everything I can to avoid scrolling in long lists... |
20:02:02 | Slasheri | hehe :) |
20:02:34 | Slasheri | at least the scrolling isn't that sensitive as with apple firmware |
20:02:51 | Slasheri | i found it was a pain to navigate to a single item with the apple fw |
20:03:12 | linuxstb | I didn't find that... |
20:03:29 | GodEater | nor me... |
20:03:50 | Slasheri | i wonder how amiconn would be able to use that all.. it's always overshooting and you easily slip the choice to the wrong one |
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20:04:01 | Phish| | sometimes i find the rockbox scrolling on my ipod to be a pain |
20:04:09 | Phish| | the sensitivity is different on different menus |
20:04:23 | Slasheri | Phish|: you try that new patch :) |
20:04:30 | Slasheri | +should |
20:04:49 | Phish| | that would involve compiling the source :-/ |
20:04:59 | Slasheri | Phish|: what ipod do you have? |
20:05:06 | Phish| | 5g 30gb |
20:05:13 | Slasheri | ah, the as i do |
20:05:16 | Slasheri | would you like to try it? |
20:05:24 | Slasheri | i can send you the compiled binary |
20:05:28 | Phish| | sure |
20:05:43 | Slasheri | Phish|: here :) |
20:05:46 | Phish| | that would be wonderful |
20:05:47 | Phish| | thanks |
20:06:01 | Phish| | oh sheesh, gotta love my internet |
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20:07:23 | GigabeatZombie | is anyone here familiar with the gigabeat port? |
20:08:10 | GigabeatZombie | hello? |
20:08:28 | KCC | ill be getting my 'beat any day now |
20:08:34 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
20:08:37 | gotthardt | GigabeatZombie: whats up |
20:08:37 | KCC | ive got theoretical knowledge of the port, if that helps at all |
20:08:48 | GigabeatZombie | I have an error message on boot up thats giving me fits |
20:09:05 | GigabeatZombie | 00000020 |
20:09:15 | GigabeatZombie | Not sure what that means? |
20:09:46 | gotthardt | hmm i just built and used the latest and it works - so it must be something else |
20:09:53 | GigabeatZombie | okay |
20:10:14 | gotthardt | are you using windows to load? |
20:10:14 | GigabeatZombie | any ideas |
20:10:18 | GigabeatZombie | yes |
20:10:23 | Llorean | GigabeatZombie: What's the rest of the error message? |
20:10:35 | GigabeatZombie | system error 00000020 |
20:10:35 | gotthardt | did you 'eject' before disconnecting the USB |
20:10:49 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
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20:10:54 | GigabeatZombie | hang on one second |
20:11:00 | GigabeatZombie | i think so but lol |
20:11:06 | GigabeatZombie | yes |
20:11:33 | gotthardt | ok - common problem is disconnecting before write is flushed |
20:11:44 | GigabeatZombie | okay |
20:11:48 | GigabeatZombie | how do I reverse that? |
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20:12:02 | gotthardt | did you install a bootloader? |
20:12:10 | GigabeatZombie | and I just did a fresh install and parked it and it still does the same thing |
20:12:13 | GigabeatZombie | yes |
20:12:49 | gotthardt | i have heard others having problems with the build on rb - where did you download the port? |
20:12:58 | GigabeatZombie | RB |
20:13:05 | GigabeatZombie | why where should I donwload? |
20:14:16 | gotthardt | >http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatFXPort?rev=1;filename=FWIMG01.DAT |
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20:14:58 | GigabeatZombie | okay |
20:15:39 | GigabeatZombie | no dice |
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20:16:19 | gotthardt | do you see the RB logo on start up? |
20:18:29 | GigabeatZombie | no |
20:18:36 | GigabeatZombie | it goes to load and errors lol |
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20:18:43 | gotthardt | ouch |
20:19:06 | GigabeatZombie | thinking my firmware is toast |
20:19:23 | GigabeatZombie | but I replaced it and it's like the player doesn't know where to look or something |
20:19:41 | GigabeatZombie | I have to admit I'm a horrible newb at thiskinda stuff |
20:19:45 | gotthardt | where are you putting it - |
20:19:48 | Phish| | wow |
20:19:56 | Phish| | Slasheri, that's so much better |
20:19:56 | Phish| | thanks a bunch |
20:19:59 | GigabeatZombie | GBsystem |
20:20:12 | Phish| | what other patches do you have in your build? |
20:20:26 | GigabeatZombie | sorry \GBsystem\FwIMG\ |
20:21:07 | Slasheri | Phish|: nice if it works :) |
20:21:07 | gotthardt | ok - that should be right - this is a gigabeat X or F ? not a S |
20:21:15 | GigabeatZombie | F |
20:21:44 | gotthardt | and you also unzipped the rockbox.zip into the root? |
20:21:52 | GigabeatZombie | yes |
20:21:56 | GodEater | well I see there's no safe way to test acbuild.pl. If you get the arguments wrong it rm -f's the whole directory =/ |
20:22:01 | GigabeatZombie | and loaded the bootloader from the site you gave |
20:22:09 | | Part Llorean |
20:22:20 | gotthardt | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/gigabeatf/rockbox-gigabeatf-20070114.zip |
20:22:33 | gotthardt | try that one |
20:22:50 | GigabeatZombie | new build? |
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20:23:10 | gotthardt | from the gigabeat board - that one is supposed to work - |
20:23:24 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
20:23:30 | GigabeatZombie | so was the last one |
20:24:15 | gotthardt | you can check: http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/ for yourself |
20:26:55 | GigabeatZombie | nope |
20:26:58 | GigabeatZombie | didn't work |
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20:28:41 | GigabeatZombie | its like its not even trying to load rock box |
20:29:02 | Soap | GodEater: ? |
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20:29:40 | Soap | regarding "Re: Converter to rockbox MPEG" - see the edited first post in the thread for the download link |
20:30:02 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
20:30:02 | * | GodEater glows with embarassment and goes to delete his post |
20:30:16 | Soap | bah |
20:30:32 | GigabeatZombie | any idea why the 'beat would show up only as a hard drive and not be recognized by its own software? |
20:30:55 | Llorean | GigabeatZombie: Have you tried restoring your original firmware image file? |
20:31:03 | GigabeatZombie | yup just did |
20:31:12 | GigabeatZombie | same friggin message |
20:31:52 | Llorean | Are you just copying over the file, or are you doing all the extra steps that force it to update? |
20:32:04 | GigabeatZombie | like what steps? |
20:32:09 | GodEater | Soap: sorry - I've jusdt commited the cardinal sin of the forums - of not reading it carefully enough. Sorry :( |
20:32:16 | Soap | GodEater: bah |
20:32:28 | Llorean | GigabeatZombie: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Installation_Instructions See "Initial Startup" |
20:32:34 | GodEater | does that mean I'm forgiven, or you still think I'm an idiot ? |
20:32:40 | Soap | and don't ever apologise to me. |
20:32:50 | GodEater | ....ok..... |
20:32:56 | Soap | (at least not while the pope in in the room) |
20:33:03 | Soap | ;) |
20:33:28 | GigabeatZombie | yes I did that |
20:33:51 | GigabeatZombie | it starts the loading bar and right away throws error message 00000020 |
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20:34:10 | amiconn | bbl |
20:34:12 | Llorean | GigabeatZombie: If you've tried restoring your original firmware, have NO Rockbox files on your player, and it doesn't work, then it's something else that's causing the problem. |
20:34:23 | GigabeatZombie | any ideas |
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20:35:30 | Llorean | GodEater: I wish I could figure out what's causing all these people to completely ignore section 2.2.2, or ignore it (doing it their own way and getting it wrong). |
20:35:55 | Alonea | sorry to burst in, but GigabeatZombie, I am guessing you are using a gigabeat yes? What is your original firmware version? |
20:36:15 | GigabeatZombie | 2.02 |
20:36:24 | Alonea | thats the problem |
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20:36:35 | GodEater | Llorean: hehe - I was just going to ask if we can stop people posting them. Alter the forum software to deny "rockbox error -1" posts of something ;) |
20:36:41 | gotthardt | nice Alonea ! |
20:36:41 | Alonea | someone else could not get rockbox to work until they updated |
20:36:58 | Llorean | GodEater: Hahaha, then they'd just try to come up with a way around the filter, 'cuz that's how people are. |
20:37:04 | Alonea | ok, lemme find that firmware update. its hard to find. |
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20:38:05 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
20:38:07 | GigabeatZombie | no lie there |
20:38:09 | GodEater | Llorean: well perhaps not deny the post, perhaps just display an message saying "You didn't read 2.2.2 dumbass - stop wasting our time" :) |
20:38:13 | GigabeatZombie | needs to be for a us version too |
20:38:20 | Alonea | Ok, I am just gonna upload the file on my site. will take about 10 mins. and it is US version |
20:38:28 | GigabeatZombie | sweet |
20:38:35 | Alonea | do you want just for the gigabeat, or do you want the Room update too? |
20:38:44 | GigabeatZombie | the update or just the raw firmware? |
20:38:53 | GigabeatZombie | either |
20:39:28 | Alonea | ok, I will put just the firmware upgrade. with both its 50 megs... |
20:39:34 | Llorean | GodEater: I'd suggest that we put "Rockbox Error: -1" in the manual, but I don't think that would help much either. |
20:39:57 | Llorean | It's already mentioned, but you won't get it with that search, since it says 'a "-1" error' |
20:40:09 | GigabeatZombie | however if it is a firmware issue all the upgrade will do is upgrade a busted firmware |
20:40:21 | Alonea | but yes, I think this should be mentioned somewhere, that if you dont ahve the latest firmware, rockbox will not work |
20:40:22 | GigabeatZombie | and I'll prolly get that same error |
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20:41:43 | Alonea | ok, has about 7 and a half minutest left |
20:41:53 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
20:41:56 | GigabeatZombie | what is your site by the way |
20:42:07 | dan_a | GodEater, Llorean: The other option would be to change the way iPodPatcher works, so that it unzips rockbox.zip and the fonts file to the iPod, and complains if they aren't there. |
20:42:24 | Alonea | the bad thing is the Toshiba refuses the distribute their update via the internet. You can get it only by snail mail. |
20:42:33 | GigabeatZombie | nice |
20:42:37 | GigabeatZombie | go Toshiba |
20:42:40 | dan_a | (Although that's heading into rbutil territory |
20:43:08 | n1s | dan_a: hopefully, they'll be integrated one day. |
20:43:40 | Alonea | ok, the exact link will be http://myweb.cableone.net/Tx-Files9/Gigabeat Ver 3 Standard.zip I will tell you when the link will be active |
20:44:51 | Alonea | so what people did was put it on the internet for them. its just now its only at those wierd file places with lots of porn adds. I will leave this file on my site for a while |
20:45:05 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
20:45:07 | GigabeatZombie | true that |
20:45:19 | GigabeatZombie | you think this will solve my error? |
20:45:23 | Alonea | less than 4 mins. |
20:45:24 | Llorean | dan_a: Yeah, rbutil is going to make use of ipodpatcher's functionality eventually. |
20:45:46 | Alonea | yes. Someone else had the same problem and upgrading fixed it immediately. |
20:47:10 | Alonea | so just take off rockbox completely, upgrade firmware, then put rockbox back on all should be good |
20:47:32 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
20:47:36 | GigabeatZombie | theoretically |
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20:48:15 | Alonea | well, at least you have US firmware |
20:48:23 | GigabeatZombie | good point |
20:48:24 | toffe | the last broken F40 I get had the same message and I had to reformat the drive with the gigaroom format utilitie ( but I think that the one who sell it mess with the hd, lot of ipod stuff on it) |
20:48:26 | Alonea | the other person had bloody asia... |
20:49:17 | Alonea | ok, download away GigabeatZombie |
20:49:49 | GigabeatZombie | no access lol |
20:50:11 | Alonea | hmm, try again. and what browser? |
20:50:17 | GigabeatZombie | mozilla |
20:50:45 | Alonea | oh, the link is being stupid.copy and paste it... |
20:51:07 | GigabeatZombie | aha |
20:51:08 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
20:51:17 | Alonea | and I think I remember something now about this damn ftp program...I remember now that is HATED spaces with a passion |
20:51:32 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
20:51:35 | GigabeatZombie | I know how that goes |
20:52:12 | Alonea | yeah, using fireftp cause its convenient |
20:52:16 | Alonea | did you get the link to work? |
20:52:20 | GigabeatZombie | yup |
20:52:22 | GigabeatZombie | Dl'ing |
20:52:38 | Alonea | good. the site should have decent speeds. |
20:52:49 | GigabeatZombie | yeah getting about 70 |
20:53:46 | Alonea | at least its downloading. used to if it had spaces period it would not download no matter how you typed it in the address bar. looks like they fixed that error |
20:54:05 | Llorean | GodEater: Deleted your post, that command won't work with the version of ipodpatcher the person's using. |
20:54:35 | Llorean | GodEater: They're either using the outdated one intentionally, or are following some unofficial instructions from someplace strange. |
20:54:53 | GodEater | wow - that was quick |
20:54:58 | GodEater | I only just hit the "post" button |
20:55:09 | Llorean | I'd just been posting as well, and it told me the thread had changed while I was typing. |
20:55:22 | GodEater | you're eagle eyed ;) |
20:55:50 | GodEater | Your post is much shorter too :) |
20:56:06 | Llorean | Well, it asks the most important question in the simplest manner possible, I think. :) |
20:56:16 | GodEater | shorter is better for these people |
20:56:54 | * | GodEater ponders making the download links for rockbox available only via a bot that tests user intelligence |
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20:57:22 | Llorean | I find myself wondering, is there somewhere that teaches the word "triple" is spelled "tripple"? I find that as one of the most common misspellings on our forums. |
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20:57:58 | GigabeatZombie | so that updater won't see my gigabeat lol |
20:57:58 | Llorean | My frustration doesn't relate to intelligence at all. For all I know some of these people are incredibly intelligent, as lawyers or doctors or something. The problem comes from what I see as the "tech support dependency." |
20:57:58 | Soap | it should be trippple |
20:58:03 | GodEater | I would suspect that's a mistake made mostly by non-native english speakers |
20:58:15 | Llorean | There's two problems with IT these days. |
20:58:21 | Llorean | One: IT is often condescending to users. |
20:58:26 | Llorean | Two: IT still fixes all the little problems. |
20:58:31 | * | Soap finds non-native speakers have _better_ spelling. |
20:58:40 | GodEater | Llorean: I guess that's more what I meant - get the bot to ask "demonstrate the DOS command used to change directory to c:\rockbox" |
20:59:34 | dan_a | Llorean: The reason for (1) is that most users deserve it! |
20:59:35 | dan_a | </joke> |
20:59:43 | Llorean | It frustrates me to no end that IT guys are considered bad for suggesting the user read the manual first, but then you see them making fun of users within those users' earshot and you can see where the user gets the impression that the suggestion to read the manual isn't in good faith. |
20:59:46 | Alonea | GigabeatZombie: now, as for installing the update, I have no idea. I know its a bit bitchy. How do you have it set up? COnnect to gigabeat room or windows media? You might have better luck if its in the cradle (if you have it) and set to gigabeat room. |
20:59:50 | * | GodEater pats his LART |
20:59:54 | Llorean | dan_a: The problem is that 1 feeds 2 feeds 1. |
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21:00:18 | dan_a | GodEater: a.s.r. reader, are we? |
21:00:28 | Llorean | dan_a: Tech support gets called on because the user ignored warning messages and screwed something up, tech support resents user, user becomes wary of calling tech support, computer gets in worse condition before they call again. |
21:00:36 | GodEater | dan_a I gues not - I have no idea what that stands for |
21:01:12 | Llorean | I'd very much prefer if a user called up and asked "My computer has popped up a warning box that says 'blah', is it alright if I press Okay or should I have one of your guys down here to look at it?" rather than just hoping it'll work out. |
21:01:15 | GodEater | Llorean: that's odd - I've never come across that professionally |
21:01:21 | GigabeatZombie | arrgggg |
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21:01:45 | GigabeatZombie | so in no way is windows seeing this as a Gigabeat anymore |
21:01:48 | GigabeatZombie | WTF? |
21:01:49 | GodEater | we've all made the "cup holder" joke - but I've never done it within earshot of a user. Nor do I know anyone that has |
21:02:09 | Llorean | GodEater: The "earshot" wasn't really a physical one. |
21:02:16 | GodEater | oic - you mean online ;) |
21:02:22 | Llorean | GodEater: It's within the concept of say, "Bastard Operator from Hell", and other things. |
21:02:22 | Alonea | GigabeatZombie: I have had that problem before. might want to try restarting computer and coming back. |
21:02:39 | GodEater | how sad |
21:02:46 | GigabeatZombie | I work IT thats BS lol |
21:02:53 | Alonea | also,make sure you are doing safely remove hardware if it showing the drive anywhere, but at this point, I say restart might be a good idea. |
21:03:00 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
21:03:04 | * | GodEater loved Channel 4's "The IT Crowd" |
21:03:04 | GigabeatZombie | I'll give it a shot |
21:03:13 | GodEater | but clearly I was unaware it was making my users scared of me |
21:03:17 | GodEater | hehe |
21:03:22 | Llorean | It's just the fact that many users feel condescended to if you over-explain, and short-changed if you under-explain. They want to be offended because judging from our venting elsewhere, they think we want to offend. |
21:03:29 | Alonea | GigabeatZombie: ok. its just windows being silly really. |
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21:03:44 | Llorean | I'm not sure if there is a proper balance, though. |
21:03:49 | GigabeatZombie | any idea? |
21:03:50 | KCC | i'll be d/ling that firmware too, hope ya dont mind |
21:03:50 | GodEater | Llorean: the explanation thing is a tough tight-rope to walk for sure |
21:03:59 | GodEater | I actually always ask |
21:04:09 | GodEater | "do you want to know why this happened?" |
21:04:14 | GodEater | or do you just want it fixed? |
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21:05:00 | KCC | done :) |
21:05:10 | GigabeatZombie | KCC |
21:05:15 | GigabeatZombie | hang on |
21:05:24 | GigabeatZombie | can you zip up an image of your updated firmware for me? |
21:05:38 | dan_a | When I was working on a helpdesk, I'd always ask if a caller wanted something explaining in more detail than I would expect the average PC magazine reader to know. |
21:05:57 | Llorean | GodEater: My biggest frustration though is how often I have to undo something that happened not because of something going wrong, but because a user made a wrong choice because they were 'pretty sure it was the right one, and I was in too much a hurry to check the manual' or some similar excuse. |
21:05:57 | KCC | hmm? |
21:06:09 | GigabeatZombie | I suddenly don't trust my firmware lol |
21:06:27 | GigabeatZombie | after you update if you could zip all of your firmware up and get it to me that would rock |
21:07:09 | GodEater | Llorean: yup - that's my worst nightmare too - but there's not much you can do about those people |
21:07:15 | GodEater | that's why I don't work support anymore :) |
21:07:19 | GodEater | not in the front line anyway |
21:07:32 | GodEater | did it for three years - that was more than long enough |
21:07:57 | Llorean | GodEater: Aye, I don't think I would've lasted much longer doing that, and yet I find myself volunteering for it here. |
21:08:14 | GodEater | Llorean: yeah - but we get to be rude here :) |
21:08:19 | Llorean | Fortunately here, if I find a question just too hard to answer in a civil enough tone, I can just shut the browser window, and hope it goes away. |
21:08:24 | GodEater | within reason anyway |
21:08:41 | Llorean | We get to say "Please come back once you've read the documentation" |
21:08:45 | KCC | gigabeatzombie: ive yet to recieve my F40! |
21:08:52 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
21:08:55 | GigabeatZombie | doh |
21:08:58 | Llorean | And actually direct accuse people of lying when it's 100% evident that they have. |
21:09:05 | GodEater | that too |
21:09:10 | GodEater | no-one can fire us here |
21:09:56 | GodEater | I loved the guy the other day swearing blind he had a "rockbock" directory |
21:10:03 | Llorean | Yeah, but I do like the fact that as a project we actually have a fairly decent reputation in terms of support compared to "open-source" as a whole. |
21:10:04 | GodEater | I was laughing all the way through reading that |
21:10:23 | KCC | GBZ: your 'beat is misbehaving? |
21:10:23 | Alonea | GigabeatZombie: ok, was eating a bit of breaskfast. did you get windows to see it yet? |
21:10:29 | GigabeatZombie | nope |
21:10:38 | GodEater | he even posted a "so there" screenshot - which still showed he was lying |
21:10:40 | GodEater | priceless |
21:10:57 | GigabeatZombie | no idea how to |
21:11:10 | GigabeatZombie | it sees it as a hard drive |
21:11:12 | GigabeatZombie | but not a gigabeat |
21:11:29 | KCC | isnt that the point of Rockbox? |
21:11:31 | Alonea | GigabeatZombie: ok, best thing is to try switching inbetween modes. or you could uninstall it and reinstall it. |
21:11:50 | GigabeatZombie | what do you mean switching inbetween modes? |
21:12:11 | Alonea | between windows media and gigabeat room. |
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21:12:26 | GigabeatZombie | you don't understand |
21:12:29 | Alonea | but I am sure reinstalling it like your computer has never seen a gigabeat might work better |
21:12:36 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
21:12:38 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
21:12:44 | GigabeatZombie | it won't be recognized at all |
21:12:47 | GigabeatZombie | even on a new machine |
21:12:52 | GigabeatZombie | it comes up like a portable hard drive |
21:14:05 | KCC | try dropping mp3s onto that portable drive |
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21:14:15 | GigabeatZombie | is there some sort of naming convention that has gone awry? |
21:14:19 | Alonea | i mean, go under device manager and uninstall it there |
21:14:42 | Alonea | so when you plug it in its like starting over completely |
21:15:27 | GigabeatZombie | okay |
21:16:02 | GigabeatZombie | it sees as a toshiba 2006 GAl harddrive |
21:16:02 | GodEater | hehe - I got my pie! |
21:16:19 | GigabeatZombie | enev post uninstall |
21:16:52 | Soap | there is a difference between "lying" and "clueless and mistaken" |
21:17:10 | Soap | one implies malicious intent, which is, IMHO, a long stretch. |
21:17:54 | GodEater | at the start of a thread I'd agree that most of these guys are "clueless and mistaken" |
21:18:03 | GodEater | but we've asked them to check something specifically |
21:18:11 | GodEater | and they STILL swear that we're wrong and they're right |
21:18:15 | GodEater | *I* call that lying |
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21:18:19 | Llorean | Soap: I only call lying on someone when they've said something that cannot physically be true. |
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21:18:31 | Alonea | gigabeat: ok, then uninstall that toshiba harddrive, then plug it in again and let windows reconfigure it. |
21:18:42 | Llorean | You'll notice you won't find many records of me using the statement "That is a lie" or "You're lying" |
21:19:42 | Soap | I wasn't trying to call _you_ out Llorean. |
21:19:49 | Llorean | Soap: :-P |
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21:20:00 | Soap | Wasn't really trying to call anyone specific out. |
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21:20:45 | GodEater | I can just imagine how our rep for support would go down the pan with a load of posts from the cluebies starting "liar, liar, pants on fire" |
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21:24:20 | GigabeatZombie | same response |
21:25:40 | GigabeatZombie | wish there was a way of finding out what an error message meant |
21:27:55 | GodEater | hahah - what a co-incidence - slashdot is running a "Is a Bad Attitude Damaging The IT Profession" article |
21:28:05 | GigabeatZombie | lol |
21:28:14 | Llorean | Hahaa |
21:28:19 | Alonea | GigabeatZombie: Well, I don't know really what to tell you. I really do hate windows sometimes and if you have another computer that has not had gigabeat isntalled on it you might want to try there. I am almost positive its the firmware, but toshiba did a bad job onmany of the small details |
21:28:21 | Mikachu | i was jsut reading that |
21:28:30 | Mikachu | the article is really stupid though, don't bother with it |
21:28:47 | GigabeatZombie | would linux find this? |
21:28:56 | Alonea | there is probably a more thorough way to uninstall gigabeat from your system, but I will have to google that |
21:29:28 | Soap | if anyone familiar with rockboxdev.sh could take a look at http://www.pastebin.ca/316619 <−−all the warning messages I could capture. I don't know if any are fatal or not. I thought I directed the output to a text file, but all the warnings came up in the terminal instead of the text file. |
21:30:23 | Mikachu | Soap: you need 2> to redirect errors |
21:30:30 | Mikachu | or for both, you can use >& |
21:30:31 | Soap | ahh |
21:30:45 | Mikachu | you stupid luser (ps: joke, see /. article) |
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21:31:26 | Mikachu | hi Everybody |
21:31:37 | Llorean | Mikachu: I think "stupid" is too forgiving a word for the article. Its basic premise is that IT should put up with *anything* with a smile, including willful ignorance. |
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21:31:46 | Mikachu | Llorean: hehe |
21:32:06 | Mikachu | yeah it's all "there are legitimate business reasons!!1" but maybe having a working product should be higher on the manager's list... :) |
21:32:24 | Mikachu | s/'s/s'/ |
21:32:24 | Everybody | hi |
21:32:26 | Everybody | :) |
21:32:37 | Llorean | I'm sorry, but the point at which the user says "No, I don't want to know how to keep this from happening again" is the point at which I should be allowed to say "Well whether you want to know or not, we won't be fixing it again so I suggest you find out". Unfortunately not many policies allow me to do that. |
21:34:08 | Alonea | Ok, we are jumping for joy in the gigabeat channel. I must share news. Ok, I did a battery benchmark with the new bootloader. I did a more natural one this time where I used it like I normally would as much as possible. With the old bootloader I got a little over 14 hours. On this one, I almost got 20 hours! |
21:34:23 | Llorean | Alonea: Why is Rockbox discussion happening in the GIgabeat channel still? |
21:34:57 | Mikachu | because telling them battery time doesn't suck might get them in here? |
21:35:34 | Llorean | Mikachu: But this is clearly a case of the news coming somewhere else first. What else have we missed? As well it makes it nearly impossible for those of us to try to globally support Rockbox if support issues are being brought to bear in unofficial locations. |
21:35:54 | Alonea | well, really, we only work on wps in there and sometimes we test stuff or whatever sloth gives us. Also just random offtopic stuff sometimes. But pearldiver has been getting me to do these battery benchmarks |
21:36:18 | Mikachu | i think you removed the pun from his nick there :) |
21:36:42 | Alonea | its random. sometimes he has it pearl, and sometimes he has it perl. |
21:36:54 | Mikachu | ah, maybe from reconnects |
21:37:02 | Mikachu | i had only seen the perl one |
21:37:51 | Soap | Alonea: I'm not sure you are the right person to mention it to - but the gigabeat battery runtime wiki page would be a lot more useful if testing also took place on the original firmware. |
21:37:56 | Llorean | Alonea: My real concern is that people will come there with simple support questions, and get answers rather than redirection. No matter how simple the question is, if it's regarding the Rockbox software or installation, it should be answered with "Please ask in #Rockbox" so that people are more likely to catch that it is a unified software and support base. |
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21:38:42 | Soap | W/o knowing how long the battery a tester is using lasts in stock, the numbers mean nothing as they have no basis of comparison. Aging batteries will influence the numbers as much as Rockbox improvements. |
21:38:46 | Alonea | oh, rarely people go in there with support questions. they all come in here. |
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21:39:08 | Llorean | Alonea: As long as that's the case, and as long as development discussion continues to happen in here, I'm not too concerned then. |
21:39:34 | Llorean | It's just that all work talked about should be in here so it's on the official logs, and support should happen in here so that other supporters present can learn from it peripherally. |
21:40:05 | Alonea | really its just a few of us wanting a less congested space to work on little projects like wps that have to do with gigabeat, and offtopic |
21:40:34 | Llorean | GodEater: Actually, I realized, my *biggest* frustration is the user making the assumption that, even though they need to consult an expert for help, they still know more than him and can make decisions not to do everything they've been told. |
21:40:57 | GodEater | yep - they're the worst ones |
21:40:57 | Alonea | thats why I shared the news about the benchmark. Oh, please look at it here http://myweb.cableone.net/Tx-Files9/battery_bench2_Alonea.txt |
21:41:07 | Llorean | GodEater: For example the guy in our forums who assumed Rockbox was giving him 3-minute battery life. |
21:41:28 | Mikachu | Llorean: or when they suddenly say "so i decided to click this button over here and it did this and this" :) |
21:41:45 | GodEater | Llorean: must have missed him |
21:42:20 | KCC | so this new 'Beat bootloader frees up 1.7mb of memory... what exactly does this mean? |
21:42:51 | Llorean | GodEater: He eventually realized he'd been an ass and asked me to delete his thread. Since it really didn't contain any useful lessons beyond "When Llorean tells you to do something, he's probably doing so for a reason" I decided to help him out. |
21:45:30 | KCC | like, can we use this 1,7mb for bigger and better things |
21:45:33 | KCC | in theory? |
21:46:02 | Llorean | KCC: It just gets used for audio buffer. |
21:46:29 | Llorean | KCC: There's already a relatively large amount of free memory that could be "used for bigger and better things", but you still want to free up as much spare as you can for audio buffer. It doesn't pay to be wasteful. |
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21:48:21 | GodEater | Argh! |
21:48:23 | KCC | ahh I see |
21:48:31 | GodEater | I can't take any more idiots in the iPod forum tonight |
21:48:32 | KCC | thanks llorean |
21:49:10 | Llorean | GodEater: The complete and utter lack of information from Strawberrywhatever? |
21:49:15 | GodEater | yeah |
21:49:33 | GodEater | I'm guessing he's done a rockbox -1 install, and now needs to go into diskmode |
21:49:38 | GodEater | but I just can't be bothered to ask him |
21:50:14 | GodEater | Can we put another sticky in that forum? |
21:50:21 | GodEater | Like "Things you've probably done wrong" or something |
21:50:29 | GodEater | I *know* it's all in the manual |
21:50:44 | GodEater | but clearly these guys think the forum is the best place to go first |
21:51:14 | Llorean | GodEater: We had the whole iPodFAQ as a sticky at one point, and nobody read it. |
21:51:24 | thegeek_ | which is not that unreasonable, a lot of opensource projects rely on community for support/documentation |
21:51:27 | GodEater | shame |
21:51:31 | Llorean | I'd rather keep the split of Static->Wiki, Discussion->Forum |
21:51:45 | thegeek_ | imo the biggest problem is that the wiki is inaccessible |
21:52:01 | Llorean | thegeek_: We have a full instruction manual, with a link to it on every page of the site. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Except the patch tracker, and if you're there you probably are past the manual stage. |
21:52:07 | thegeek_ | hehe |
21:52:13 | thegeek_ | I know Llorean |
21:52:19 | thegeek_ | however; people are idiots |
21:52:21 | Mikachu | so you can say RTFM in good conscience |
21:52:35 | Alonea | i wonder if that one gigabeat zombie guy would of had better luck if he updated the room software too. I really dont know. I know that I had some problems getting windows to see it as a gigabeat for a while. |
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21:56:50 | gm-frY | hi |
21:57:31 | gm-frY | i've got a problem with the rockbox themes on my ipod g5 |
21:57:40 | gm-frY | it always looks like that: http://fry.kartell-martins.de/files/screens/rockbox.jpg |
21:57:47 | gm-frY | can anyone help me? |
21:58:32 | Mikachu | it's probably a wps that requires some patches or fonts |
21:59:25 | Febs | I agree. We need a sticky for common installation problems. It doesn't matter if the information is elsewhere. If people don't look elsewhere, we end up answering the sasme three questions over and over. |
21:59:48 | gm-frY | mh |
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22:00:13 | gm-frY | i allready tried to find something in the forum, but i didn't |
22:00:18 | Mikachu | you can have a quiz when you enter the forum "enter the first word on the 7th line of the 21st page of the manual" |
22:01:04 | Llorean | Febs: Nobody reads the "POSTING IN THIS FORUMS" stickies (or many enough don't, at least), I'm not sure how many will actually see a "Common Problems" sticky, but we can try it, I suppose. |
22:01:11 | dan_a | gm-frY: It looks like that theme needs a patched version of Rockbox |
22:01:14 | linuxstb | Or have a sticky which is just a link to a Troublshooting wiki or manual page. |
22:01:50 | GodEater | I think we should invent a new badge |
22:01:53 | Mikachu | maybe to some stickies mean "start reading below this line" |
22:01:57 | GodEater | the "I didn't read the manual badge" |
22:02:03 | gm-frY | dan_a, can you tell me where i can get it, or where it is described how to do that? |
22:02:05 | GodEater | shame people into not posting silly questions anymore :) |
22:02:13 | Febs | My favorite idiot user post of the day was the one from the guy who insisted that he had a directory called "Rockbock" and even took the time to post a screen shot with the directory "Rockbox" circled in red. |
22:02:27 | GodEater | Febs: yeah - I saw that one - laughed my socks off |
22:02:56 | dan_a | gm-frY: I am just trying to find the theme you installed to find out what it needs... |
22:02:57 | Alonea | oh, and the most upsetting user was that webguest guy who was a real prick. |
22:03:10 | gm-frY | dan_a: it's that one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Rockamp |
22:03:13 | Febs | And then, he said that we should write the manual "in laymens terms for stupid people like me" or something like that. |
22:03:15 | dan_a | GodEater: I think the badge idea is a bad one |
22:03:17 | Alonea | but yes, be nice to the people who help you. |
22:03:20 | Soap | gm-frY: What specific version of the "Rockamp" theme is that? |
22:03:30 | GodEater | dan_a : it wasn't a serious idea |
22:03:36 | GodEater | hence the smiley |
22:04:09 | GodEater | you got any idea how many people we'd have to award it to? It wouldn't save us any work at all! |
22:04:15 | gm-frY | it's Rockamp-art.zip |
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22:04:36 | spug | hmm, how can i surf the SVN via HTTP? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/ is linked to on the website, but doesn't work (yet?) |
22:04:37 | GodEater | gm-frY: from the name you need an album art patched build |
22:04:52 | Soap | gm-frY: then it needs the album art patch and the scrolling margins patch. |
22:05:00 | GodEater | gm-frY: so see the unsupported builds forum |
22:05:24 | Mikachu | spug: it's temporarily broken |
22:05:43 | gm-frY | okay, thank you, i'll try it |
22:06:54 | Soap | gm-frY: and 75x75 album art. |
22:07:10 | dan_a | gm-frY: The easiest thing to do may be to get Senab's build: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7942.0 |
22:07:18 | toffe | I think we have to write the "complete idiot's guide to Rockbox" or "Rockbox for Dummies" |
22:07:26 | Soap | which I believe might be a slight issue as I don't think the latest Senab builds include the album-art resizing patch. |
22:07:26 | spug | Mikachu: ok, thanks |
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22:08:20 | Alonea | toffe: hmmm. though I must say the manuals do need to be updated. |
22:08:22 | Soap | gm-frY: so I think you would need to provide cover.bmp files for every folder you want art displayed for at <76x76 resolution. |
22:08:27 | Lars_G | I wonder, would it be possible to use qemu-arm to emulate a dap, like ipod? or are there TOO many secondary ICs left to implement for it? |
22:08:58 | Soap | Alonea: any and all manual updates are welcome. |
22:10:08 | Llorean | Has Rockbox been mentioned recently at some major webmedia location again? |
22:10:09 | Alonea | Soap: Hmm, Maybe I can take a look at the gigabeat manual and take a stab at it. Though I don't think I have something to write pdfs with. |
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22:10:34 | Alonea | Llorean: its mentioned at wikipedia on the gigabeat page. |
22:10:39 | Soap | even text additions are welcome. someone will latex it up if you produce it. |
22:10:50 | Alonea | Llorean: but besides that I have no idea. |
22:11:08 | toffe | Even with a good manual you wil still have people asking the same question agaion and again, I know this by experience |
22:11:22 | Lars_G | Llorean: Influx of people coming in? |
22:11:41 | Soap | USA today |
22:11:41 | GodEater | Influx of dyslexics is seems to me |
22:11:48 | GodEater | s/is/it |
22:11:57 | Soap | http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2007-01-12-iphone_x.htm |
22:12:05 | Alonea | soap: Like Doom needs to be taken out from gigabeat. |
22:12:47 | GodEater | Soap: wow - good spot :) |
22:13:00 | Alonea | oh wow. thats awesome |
22:13:56 | Llorean | Lars_G: There's a particularly high ratio of "New user who hasn't read the manual" style questions, particularly "New user who's not familiar with the concept of reading explicit software manuals" questions. |
22:14:29 | Lars_G | Llorean: Sorry man, that's hard |
22:14:40 | Llorean | It's the error: -1 ones that are getting to me. |
22:15:13 | * | n1s likes the "Where do I download Rockboy?" ones too ;-) |
22:15:25 | Llorean | I can almost understand the "Where do I download Rockboy" ones. |
22:15:35 | Llorean | They come from reading the Rockboy section of the manual and NOT reading the header for the "Viewers" section |
22:15:59 | Llorean | But the Error: -1 ones come from skipping the whole first half of the Installation section, and I'm not sure how people justify that one. |
22:16:06 | n1s | yes but when you tell them they already have it they don't believe it because it's not in the liast |
22:16:26 | * | Soap thinks rockbox / rockdoom should be split off to a seperate website whose existance is denied. If people want it they can search it out, but Rockbox's hands get washed of it. |
22:16:28 | n1s | But yes the -1 are nuber #1 |
22:16:44 | linuxstb | Llorean: The -1 error can just be fixed with a line at the end of the bootloader install section saying "if you get -1, go back to 2.2.2..." |
22:17:01 | Alonea | Soap: Should I put in a thing to make sure you are upgraded to the 3.0 firmware before putting on rockbox? Or at least it is reccomended, I am even willing to put up the space for the US update. Though that might be illegal. I really don't know. |
22:17:02 | Soap | Much like Netscape spun-off the Mozilla foundation, Rockbox could spin off the 1337GamesD00d foundation. |
22:17:08 | GodEater | I prefer "if you get a -1, you *shouldn't* have skipped 2.2.2" |
22:17:38 | Soap | Alonea: gigabeat is not my fotre |
22:17:42 | linuxstb | But it's not just skipping 2.2.2, some people would have done 2.2.2, but wrongly... |
22:17:43 | n1s | btw I saw that LinusN added something about more descriptive error messages for the h300 bootloader todo |
22:17:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: A few of those have happened too. |
22:18:12 | Llorean | One person said that it didn't say explicitly to do some sentence, and the sentence he wrote was almost word for word what was in the manual |
22:18:17 | GodEater | I think it's clear that a lot our users don't know what "root of the device" means |
22:18:22 | linuxstb | e.g. using (imo broken) unzipping programs that add an extra folder. |
22:18:25 | Soap | Alonea: make a list of corrections to any and all issues you find. If someone has an issue with your changes they can discuss them / contact you before implementing them. |
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22:18:32 | Febs | Llorean, was that the one where I respond with "are you kidding me?" |
22:18:43 | n1s | IMO this issue can only be solved by a rbutil that does everything |
22:18:45 | GodEater | the built in zip handling in XP SP2 does that |
22:18:55 | Alonea | Soap: I wonder if anyone who has a gigabeat has managed to get rockbox to work on the older firmware? |
22:19:21 | linuxstb | I wish GUIs didn't exist - we could just tell people to type "unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/ipod/"... |
22:19:22 | Llorean | Febs: Aye, It was rather ridiculous. |
22:19:30 | dan_a | Perhaps we should ask the people who are having the -1 errors to help us improve the instructions? |
22:20:25 | Llorean | dan_a: Generally few people continue to respond after their error is resolved. |
22:20:30 | GodEater | How about a summary sub-section at that start of the key bits of the manual |
22:20:31 | linuxstb | I think we just need step-by-step instructions which don't require people to think or make choices. e.g. force them to use a specific unzipping program. |
22:20:33 | Llorean | It's hard to get callbacks on "How can we improve the manual" |
22:20:44 | GodEater | kind of "in this section you will unzip the files to your device" |
22:20:44 | GodEater | kind of thing |
22:20:47 | GodEater | and then the hard detail |
22:20:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: I agree with that. |
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22:21:09 | GodEater | How about a checklist too ? |
22:21:15 | Llorean | linuxstb: Could iPodPatcher include a basic unzip? |
22:21:18 | GodEater | something a user can print out and tick off as he does stuff ? |
22:21:20 | Llorean | ipodpatcher -a bootloader.ipod |
22:21:29 | Llorean | ipodpatcher N -i rockbox.zip |
22:22:11 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher doesn't know the drive letter (or mount point). But I guess it could incorporate the Rockbox FAT driver... |
22:22:22 | Soap | linuxstb: regardless of the instructions, there are people who, when they see a file they recognize (.zip) will use stock tools to play with it. |
22:22:27 | linuxstb | But rbutil is the place for that. |
22:22:43 | sandeen_ | anybody have problems with horizontal lines staying on the ipod (4g) display? |
22:22:44 | linuxstb | In fact, why not just refer people to rbutil to install rockbox.zip ? |
22:22:48 | Soap | rename the files .rbz and maybe they will use the tool you tell them to. |
22:22:57 | toffe | is there a way to insert a text file in the rockbox.zip so when you unzip it, you see the text files with some warning |
22:23:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: Actually, that's a good idea at this point. |
22:23:17 | linuxstb | Although it hasn't been compiled for the Mac yet... |
22:23:17 | davidsmind | if one were to plug in the Iriver-h10 in normal transfer mode to a windows machine with Media Player 10, would media player detect the non drm'd songs and delete them? |
22:23:18 | GodEater | toffe - yes that can be done with a zip file comment |
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22:23:28 | davidsmind | if running rockkbox firmware |
22:23:43 | dan_a | sandeen_: Yes - Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199 |
22:23:48 | linuxstb | Mac users seem to have the most problems, as the .rockbox folder is hidden... |
22:24:23 | GodEater | perhaps we should think of not using a . as the prefix ? |
22:24:29 | GodEater | I know the idea is to hide it on the dap after install |
22:24:44 | Febs | Hm. Manual says to press "Menu+Play" for disk mode. |
22:24:51 | GodEater | but presumably we could had code the name "rockbox" as a hidden file/dir |
22:24:59 | linuxstb | GodEater: It won't be a problem when rbutil is finished... |
22:25:08 | GodEater | I know it won't |
22:25:14 | GodEater | but we're getting the hassle right now ;) |
22:25:34 | Stalwart | in which tarball .rockbox stuff (codecs, wps) is located? |
22:25:35 | Stalwart | for ipod nano |
22:25:39 | GodEater | how's cassandra's device detection coming along btw ? |
22:26:13 | sandeen_ | dan_a, thanks |
22:26:32 | linuxstb | Stalwart: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
22:26:56 | KCC | rbutil? |
22:27:14 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
22:27:19 | GodEater | our magical does everything installer |
22:27:32 | KCC | ahh thank you |
22:27:38 | Stalwart | thanks, i prefer manual ;) |
22:27:39 | Alonea | Well, look at that. I just found the upgrade firmware manual... |
22:29:01 | KCC | rbutil should take all the intimidation out of rockbox |
22:29:05 | KCC | bravo :) |
22:29:12 | Stalwart | thanks, found |
22:29:22 | * | Stalwart rockboxing again |
22:29:48 | sandeen_ | dan_a, hmm guess i'll set up a build environment & try the suggested pattch, thanks |
22:30:58 | dan_a | linuxstb: I know nothing about iPod LCDs. Does desowin's patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13003 look correct for stopping the black line on shutdown? |
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22:32:11 | linuxstb | dan_a: I don't know. Which ipods does that patch affect? |
22:32:22 | Alonea | Ok, does anyone think it is illegal to post the gigabeat firmware upgrade on the internet when said update can only be obtained by toshiba by snail mail? I do not even know if they are still sending those out anymore. |
22:32:47 | entoke | hello everyone, i just installed rockbox on my nano. Everything works great so and I really like it, thanks alot for spending your time crating this :P |
22:32:56 | Alonea | the update was released in november 2005 |
22:32:58 | entoke | creating |
22:32:59 | dan_a | linuxstb: It may only be greyscale ones |
22:33:11 | dan_a | I'm about to test it on 3g and 4g |
22:33:18 | linuxstb | Maybe amiconn would have a view - he did a lot of the work on those LCDs. |
22:34:12 | linuxstb | Alonea: Unless you've been given permission by the copyright holder to distribute it, then yes, it's illegal. |
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22:34:32 | Alonea | figures. I do find it BS though. |
22:34:36 | linuxstb | Alonea: Whether Toshiba would care is a different question. |
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22:34:37 | Soap | expressed written or implied oral? ;) |
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22:35:37 | Alonea | of course all work on the gigabeat f series is dead. hopefully people will be smart and look elsewhere for it. |
22:36:00 | Alonea | hmm, I wonder what toshiba would say if i wrote them and asked... |
22:36:08 | Soap | it can't hurt. |
22:36:30 | linuxstb | Well, parts of the firmware are GPL'd, so you are free to distribute those parts... |
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22:44:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: On the AV3xx, you can choose 2 DSPs to code in asm for: the TI DSP and the MAS core... ;) |
22:44:51 | linuxstb | haha :) |
22:45:07 | linuxstb | Or just stick with FLAC and use the ARM... |
22:45:09 | Mikachu | why did they put two in? |
22:45:21 | amiconn | I'd say both cores are equally bad regarding public documentation |
22:45:43 | linuxstb | The MAS is an audio DSP, the TI one is more oriented towards video I think. |
22:46:05 | linuxstb | The AV3xx can play divx etc at resolutions similar to the ipod video. |
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22:46:43 | Alonea | linuxstb: GPL'd? |
22:46:45 | Phalangees | hello |
22:46:52 | * | Phalangees goes to check logs |
22:46:54 | linuxstb | Alonea: It's a Linux kernel... |
22:46:59 | webguest36 | ok, im here.....where do i ask for help |
22:47:00 | webguest36 | lol |
22:47:07 | linuxstb | But with Toshiba's proprietory applications on top. |
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22:48:30 | Alonea | ah. well, I send them an e-mail and shall see if they send me anything back. It would be nice if people could get the update online. Most never even heard about it. |
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22:50:42 | Phalangees | the logs aren't updating? |
22:50:54 | Phalangees | it's being weird |
22:50:58 | Bagder | the logs? |
22:51:04 | Phalangees | yes |
22:51:16 | Phalangees | of these chats |
22:51:19 | Phalangees | http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/ |
22:51:31 | Bagder | that's not the place for the logs of this channel |
22:51:39 | Phalangees | it's changed? |
22:51:43 | Bagder | nope |
22:51:47 | Bagder | you changed channel |
22:51:50 | Llorean | Phalangees: You're in #Rockbox, the logs have always been kept at Rockbox.org |
22:51:52 | Phalangees | what? |
22:51:56 | Phalangees | oh i'm in rockbox |
22:52:00 | Phalangees | woops |
22:52:02 | Phalangees | lmao |
22:52:05 | Phalangees | crap |
22:52:05 | Phalangees | my bad |
22:52:07 | Phalangees | good bye |
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22:52:30 | linuxstb | Now someone go to #gigabeat and tell him he should be talking Rockbox in #rockbox.... |
22:53:08 | GodEater | you'll just make him cry if you do that |
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22:55:51 | Alonea | oh, he forgot that the logs for the gigabeat is no longer being updated... |
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22:57:08 | GodEater | Bagder: I think my build server should do sh and m68k now |
22:57:16 | Bagder | goodie |
22:57:18 | GodEater | but every time I tried to test the build script manually |
22:57:24 | GodEater | it rm -f'd the whole dir |
22:57:32 | GodEater | so can you test it for me please ? :) |
22:57:36 | Bagder | hehe |
22:58:16 | Alonea | Ok, looking over manuals and stuff. and SVN stands for Subversion right? |
22:58:24 | * | GodEater thinks that build script could do with being a *touch* more defensive... |
22:58:38 | Bagder | yeah |
22:58:40 | GodEater | if my perl wasn't as rusty as a 20 year old nine inch nail left in the sea I'd do it myself... |
22:58:58 | Bagder | it does have room for improvements |
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22:59:33 | Bagder | it looks fine |
22:59:39 | GodEater | phew |
22:59:45 | GodEater | I'm not sure why it didn't work before |
22:59:50 | GodEater | I *had* installed the other compilers |
22:59:54 | GodEater | (and SDL(=) |
23:00 |
23:00:04 | GodEater | but it didn't seem to get them from the system path |
23:00:09 | GodEater | so I've hardcoded that into acbuild.pl now |
23:00:18 | GodEater | as it said in the guide, but I figured I knew better =/ |
23:00:21 | Bagder | I noticed, and I do that way too |
23:00:27 | Bagder | haha |
23:00:37 | dan_a | Alonea: It does |
23:00:48 | GodEater | I guess coming in from ssh and doing an immediate command launch doesn't execute the shell though |
23:00:55 | GodEater | so it never picked up the system path |
23:01:04 | GodEater | although how it got ARM in that case I've no clue |
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23:04:53 | * | GodEater curses the British legal system. Damn jury summons. |
23:04:54 | Stalwart | is there a plugin for rockbox to play .xm? |
23:05:21 | muesli__ | whats .xm? |
23:05:41 | Stalwart | tracker format |
23:05:47 | Stalwart | there must be plugin |
23:05:50 | Mikachu | i think there might be a patch somewhere |
23:05:57 | Llorean | Stalwart: Why "must" there be? |
23:06:01 | Llorean | If nobody's done it yet, there won't be. |
23:06:07 | Mikachu | because clearly it's a feature so many wants |
23:06:16 | Mikachu | Stalwart: try this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5241 |
23:06:35 | Stalwart | i recall i saw something about mikmod in wiki |
23:06:46 | Alonea | Currently there isn’t a prebuild bootloader available and you’ll need to build it yourself. This is described in the wiki. Once a prebuild bootloader is available the link comes here. Have a look at http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/. Ok, there are prebuild ones now right? So really It should just say to get it at that link right? |
23:06:50 | * | Stalwart digging wiki |
23:07:06 | Stalwart | i saw it in supported formats list |
23:07:20 | * | Mikachu feels ignored |
23:07:26 | Bagder | Alonea: correct |
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23:08:00 | Llorean | Alonea: If you're looking at a Wiki page, why not fix it? |
23:08:06 | Alonea | ok, good. Badger, I am attempted to clean up the manual for the gigabeat a bit. |
23:08:16 | Mouser_X | Nice. |
23:08:23 | Llorean | Alonea: Is that in the .pdf manual? |
23:08:32 | * | Llorean could've sworn he'd checked that the PDF had been fixed. |
23:08:56 | Alonea | Llorean: web version. lemme download the pdf and see if its the same |
23:10:05 | Alonea | I thought the web version was the same as the pdf |
23:10:13 | Llorean | If you'll notice, it's dated the 9th. |
23:10:21 | Llorean | The daily builds don't seem to be updating it at the moment. |
23:10:47 | Bagder | which ones? |
23:11:07 | Alonea | ok, so I should look at pdf version. no problem. |
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23:12:28 | Llorean | Bagder: The manual page doesn't show any HTML .zips, and the Gigabeat Online manual is at least dated the 9th |
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23:13:06 | Bagder | ah, right only the pdfs are updated atm |
23:13:23 | * | Mouser_X hasn't downloaded the PDF manual. |
23:13:24 | Bagder | cp: cannot create regular file `/home/dast/rockbox-manual/build-iaudiox5/manual/plugins/.svn/text-base/chip8emulator.tex.svn-base': Permission denied |
23:13:32 | Mouser_X | I've only been reading the Online one. |
23:13:37 | Bagder | a bazillion of those |
23:13:47 | Llorean | Mouser_X: It's 5 days out of date, and counting. :-P |
23:13:57 | Mouser_X | :/ |
23:14:40 | bluebrother | Bagder, that's exactly what I got ... |
23:14:49 | Stalwart | Mikachu: yup, this looks promising, but i need to rebuild rb from source, i'll do it some other day |
23:14:59 | Bagder | we should fix that copy to not copy stuff from the .svn dirs |
23:15:14 | bluebrother | I haven't found some −−exclude for cp |
23:15:29 | scorche | Bagder: Would it be possible to have a separate Rombox build added to the daily/CVS builds (built via removing Database) at least as a temporary thing until Rombox starts working again |
23:15:31 | scorche | ? |
23:15:38 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Use something like find instead. |
23:15:43 | scorche | or would that be a Bad Idea (TM) |
23:15:49 | linuxstb | Or be more specific with the cp commands. |
23:15:58 | * | scorche is not liking this enter key... |
23:16:00 | Bagder | scorche: sure, but every time I've suggested such a thing amiconn has been against it so I don't expect that to change now either ;-) |
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23:16:13 | * | bluebrother needs to look up the syntax for find's exec |
23:16:27 | Bagder | exec echo {} \; |
23:16:30 | Bagder | for a test |
23:16:40 | Bagder | -exec even |
23:16:51 | Bagder | but normally piping to xargs is faster |
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23:18:25 | amiconn | bluebrother: Why not just adjust the source pattern for cp so that it doesn't include the .svn stuff? |
23:19:11 | scorche | Bagder: even if it was a totally separate build and had a foot note saying something about being a temp thing/Database removed/etc?...or is it amiconn i should be trying to get to agree with me? |
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23:19:31 | bluebrother | amiconn, I don't know of any way to do this ... currently we just cp -r everything |
23:20:08 | bluebrother | and there's a .svn subfolder in every folder |
23:20:08 | amiconn | scorche: Rombox without all ordinary rockbox functionality doesn't make sense... I'd rather flash ram-based rockbox than using a crippled rombox |
23:21:08 | scorche | amiconn: yes, but as just a temporary thing and clearly stated that it does not have a full feature set? |
23:21:38 | dan_a | amiconn: What if we could get rombox down to size by (for example) using -Os everywhere we can? |
23:21:52 | amiconn | dan_a: We are using -Os ... |
23:22:05 | scorche | I have been hearing about quite a few people stop using their Archoses because Rombox no longer builds...at least we could give them something to satisfy them temporarily |
23:22:06 | dan_a | amiconn: Darn! |
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23:22:24 | amiconn | Using gcc 4.1 would gain a few bytes more (it's possible for SH) |
23:22:44 | amiconn | But there are still some areas where we can cut binary size without dropping features |
23:22:48 | amiconn | One is the settings patch... |
23:22:57 | scorche | But until then... |
23:23:11 | amiconn | Another is the langv2 _cleanup_ |
23:23:29 | amiconn | Strings for features impossible on a target shouldn't be included |
23:23:42 | dan_a | Has everything that can be declared static been done? If not, there may be a few bytes there |
23:23:54 | amiconn | I'll look into that if no-one else volunteers... but it will take a while |
23:24:28 | amiconn | ANother option is to cut down bootbox size, freeing up more space for rombox |
23:24:45 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon is working on that, but it also may take a while |
23:24:48 | preglow | amiconn: how will langv2 cleanup help on rom size? i thought the lang strings were saved externally |
23:25:00 | amiconn | preglow: The english strings are built in |
23:25:04 | preglow | rightie |
23:25:25 | dan_a | Is it worth writing a wiki page for these things? |
23:25:32 | preglow | i'd say yes |
23:25:46 | amiconn | My estimation is that a langv2 cleanup will give back 2..3KB on the archoses |
23:26:06 | preglow | nice |
23:26:16 | preglow | there's almost certainly plenty of code that's sub-optimal too |
23:26:22 | preglow | putting that info in the wiki would be very nice |
23:26:29 | dan_a | I'll write a CoreSizeReduction page when I get some time, then, unless somebody else does it first |
23:26:57 | Alonea | Who should I send the list of changes that should be made to when I am done? |
23:28:11 | dan_a | Alonea: Is this for manual changes? |
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23:29:01 | sk8deamon | hi |
23:29:09 | Alonea | dan_a: these are for the pdf manual. I, however, do not have a pdf writer, so I am making a list type thing in a word 2003 format. |
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23:29:51 | dan_a | Alonea: Open a new flyspray (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker) task as a patch, attaching your list to it. |
23:30:15 | sk8deamon | i am trying to load rockbox on my ipod photo 30gb and had trouble i finished the installation and when i went to start it up it gave me text and said rockbox loaded no splash screen no menu can someone help |
23:30:38 | Mikachu | sk8deamon: try using punctuation |
23:30:49 | sk8deamon | sorry |
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23:31:06 | amiconn | Alonea: A more open/ generic format than word would be better. Both the pdf manual and the online manual are built from tex sources. |
23:31:30 | Insectoid | I'm having some issues building a voice file with sapi4 eloquence Reed and the given scripts. It goes and goes, then just sort of sticks, after generating a hundred files or so. Different places every time. |
23:31:31 | amiconn | If you don't know about tex, I think a plain text file would be sufficient |
23:32:07 | bluebrother | word files are *blargh* |
23:32:12 | dan_a | sk8deamon: Is this a version of Rockbox you downloaded today? |
23:32:19 | sk8deamon | yes |
23:32:20 | Alonea | amiconn: Well, I am using the highlight feature in word. I am basically doing how I would normally edit/beta a story. |
23:32:27 | sk8deamon | the latest ipod photo version |
23:32:50 | Mikachu | Alonea: if you write something in word, nobody will be able to actually read it :) |
23:32:57 | bluebrother | Alonea, when submitting changes for the manual please use plain text. We need to reformat it anyway |
23:33:23 | linuxstb_ | Alonea: If you're making significant changes, then it would really help if you tried to edit the original tex source files. They're very simple - just plain text files with a little markup for structure (similar in concept to html). |
23:34:13 | sk8deamon | dan_a: is that not good downloading the latest version |
23:34:14 | amiconn | Mikachu: AT least openoffice can open ms word files |
23:34:46 | Alonea | ok, I will, but don't get pissy with me if you get confused. How do I get ahold of these tex files? All I have is the pdf which is damn near impossible to copy paste from. |
23:34:47 | dan_a | sk8deamon: It should be fine, but a few people have had problems today. |
23:35:19 | dan_a | You can use the last daily build until we track down what those problems are |
23:35:30 | bluebrother | Alonea, you'll need to get them from svn |
23:35:55 | dan_a | I wonder if this is an issue that Bagder needs to help us with... |
23:35:58 | sk8deamon | dan_a: wut do u mean the last daily build. The one updated yesterday which had no changes |
23:36:18 | Alonea | bluebrother: Ok, I have cygwin and I have downloaded the source file. Its somewhere in there? |
23:36:31 | sk8deamon | sorry i actually just came accross rockbox today |
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23:36:33 | dan_a | sk8deamon: Try http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodcolor/rockbox-ipodcolor-20070114.zip |
23:36:41 | bluebrother | also, we have a (maybe a bit technical) howto for working with the manual here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto |
23:36:53 | sk8deamon | k ty |
23:36:54 | bluebrother | do you have a folder called "manual"? |
23:37:29 | Alonea | yes, I am in manual, now what? |
23:37:50 | bluebrother | ok, there are the files. They are sorted by chapter |
23:38:02 | linuxstb_ | Do you have a good text editor? i.e. something other than notepad/wordpad/Word ? |
23:38:10 | bluebrother | so getting_started has the files for the Getting Started chapter |
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23:38:28 | Insectoid | Pfft Notepad is a good text editor |
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23:38:29 | bluebrother | usually those folders have a file called main.tex. This is the main file for the folder |
23:38:49 | bluebrother | Insectoid, unless you want to deal with unix type files ;-) |
23:38:56 | Insectoid | unix2dos and dos2unix |
23:39:00 | webguest95 | Hi |
23:39:03 | Alonea | wait, is it the gigabeatf.tex? |
23:39:05 | webguest95 | Can someone please help |
23:39:11 | bluebrother | in platform/ |
23:39:11 | Insectoid | we can try |
23:39:15 | Alonea | ask your question |
23:39:36 | webguest95 | My installer is stuck at Finding UNC Path.. and Finding your iPod... |
23:39:41 | webguest95 | It wont budge |
23:39:44 | bluebrother | the device specific definitions are inside of the platform/ folder |
23:39:54 | linuxstb_ | webguest95: That doesn't sound like an official Rockbox installer. |
23:40:16 | linuxstb_ | Where did you download it from? |
23:40:38 | webguest95 | fileplanet or something |
23:41:04 | linuxstb_ | If I was you, I would delete it and use the official installation instructions on www.rockbox.org |
23:41:13 | Insectoid | And probably run a virus scan |
23:41:24 | webguest95 | I got it off here http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=8585 |
23:41:36 | webguest95 | By Kreator |
23:41:52 | linuxstb_ | Ah, that's not _too_ bad. But if you're having problems you need to ask on those forums. |
23:42:19 | linuxstb_ | i.e. that installer seems to work OK, but it's not written by us, so we can't help. |
23:42:41 | webguest95 | Am I infected with a virus?! |
23:42:52 | sk8deamon | dan_a would u mind if I PM you |
23:43:16 | Alonea | hell if I know. But that isn't ours. If you want rockbox, download from our site. |
23:43:22 | linuxstb_ | webguest95: I can't say for certain, but that site is respectable, so I would doubt it. |
23:43:45 | webguest95 | Does my iPod have to be in enable disc mode? |
23:44:07 | linuxstb_ | Yes. Your computer can't talk to it otherwise. |
23:44:18 | dan_a | sk8deamon: PM me if you want |
23:45:10 | webguest95 | One last question. It says I need to make my iPod visible to Exporer what the heck is that and how do I do it? |
23:45:31 | linuxstb_ | That means to click "enable disk mode" in itunes... |
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23:46:00 | webguest95 | oh lol |
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23:46:21 | webguest95 | Oh yeah one LAST thing... I cant find the download on the site.. |
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23:47:23 | Alonea | http://build.rockbox.org |
23:47:24 | linuxstb_ | Try reading the manual - that has install instructions and download links, plus lots of other information. http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
23:48:35 | n1s | and pay special attention to do _every_ step (in the right order) |
23:48:41 | webguest95 | Tyvm you guys are pretty freaking smart... |
23:50:46 | preglow | very, very smart |
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23:52:07 | Quelsaruk | hi |
23:52:22 | linuxstb_ | Hola. |
23:52:34 | Quelsaruk | hi linuxstb_ |
23:52:35 | Quelsaruk | :) |
23:53:34 | Mikachu | dynamic oranges is a pretty awesome hostname |
23:53:50 | Mikachu | too bad they have the extra e :) |
23:53:56 | amiconn | wow |
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23:54:40 | amiconn | With the new memcpy, mp3 playback doesn't skip on my mini G2 even with all 5 eq bands enabled... |
23:55:11 | linuxstb_ | I wonder what's using memcpy so much? |
23:55:25 | webguest95 | Command Prompt is that big black box where you type things in right? |
23:55:36 | linuxstb_ | Right. |
23:55:38 | * | dan_a loves easy performance gains |
23:55:48 | amiconn | Boost ratio shows 100%, but the pcm buffer stays nearly full (except when rebuffering, but even then - no skip) |
23:55:52 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: I want one a week or you're sacked. |
23:56:38 | dan_a | One a week? Damn, I need to bring my average up - I'm at 2 in total so far! |
23:56:57 | Mikachu | maybe we're paying you too much |
23:57:20 | dan_a | Or not enough... double my wages and see what happens! |
23:57:29 | linuxstb_ | It's a deal. |
23:57:31 | amiconn | Hmm, considering the speedup observed with memcpy, it might be more worthwile to asm optimise the ata sector copy.... |
23:57:50 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I've been saying that for months... |
23:57:50 | preglow | amiconn: wow |
23:58:01 | amiconn | That won't help boost ratio, but faster rebuffering saves battery |
23:58:04 | linuxstb_ | (but never got round to it myself) |
23:58:49 | linuxstb_ | An it will also help with skips that happen during rebuffering. |
23:58:55 | linuxstb_ | ^And |