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#rockbox log for 2007-01-16

00:01:27 Part norbusan
00:01:27 Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
00:02:54 Join Juice^ [0] (n=juice@213.167.96.196)
00:03:09 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk)
00:05:36Juice^anyone here running linux and using a sansa player?
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00:11:49nixphoeniJuice^: me
00:11:57dan_aJuice^: I have been known to do both those things
00:12:38*amiconn is really puzzled about DataGhost's success
00:12:42DataGhost:)
00:12:48DataGhostso am I
00:12:53DataGhostit's still not seeing my fat32 partition though
00:13:00DataGhostbut apparently that's the same with more winpod users
00:13:09LinusNDataGhost: you didn't answer my question
00:13:10DataGhostexactly the same error
00:13:12nixphoenidan_a: will you be here in a few hours? i might have some questions on the e200 target
00:13:12amiconnIf it were just the factor of 4 due to the sector size, it should work on either both the 30GB and 80GB, or on none of them
00:13:14DataGhostoh sorry, what question
00:13:29LinusNcan you read the partition table without errors?
00:13:30DataGhostwell amiconn but the 80GB also has another controller, right?
00:13:44DataGhostfrom.. linux?
00:13:44amiconnThing is, rockbox runs fine on the 30GB 5.5GB, but cannot read any sector on the 80GB
00:13:47dan_anixphoeni: I'll be here for the next 45 mins
00:13:47DataGhostI guess so, since it's seeing every partition
00:13:58DataGhostand when I define a startingsector which is not valid for a partition
00:14:01DataGhostit complains
00:14:14DataGhostnow it says it cant find fat32 at sector 257044
00:14:23DataGhostwhich I just defined in my partitiontable
00:14:24LinusNwe haven't even coma as far as reading sector 0 without errors
00:14:25amiconnDataGhost: Afaik it can't have a different controller unless it has a different PP version. The ata controller is built into the PP chip
00:14:33amiconnAnd we can read the identify data
00:14:34DataGhostoh
00:14:44DataGhostwell LinusN
00:14:49DataGhostthat's the loader you're talking about?
00:14:52LinusNyes
00:14:55DataGhosti'm running linux without any loader now
00:15:14linuxstb_It's simply that no-one has tried running the IPL kernel before...
00:15:17DataGhostso linux can read it but the loader can't
00:15:18amiconnRockbox loader and main rockbox use the exact same ata & filesystem driver
00:15:37linuxstb_AFAIK, previous tests were using loader2, which isn't using the kernel's ATA driver.
00:15:47amiconnWhat does it use then?
00:15:53DataGhostthe only thing is.. it CAN find my ext3 partition at sector x*4
00:16:05DataGhostit CAN'T find my fat32 partition at sector y*4
00:16:12linuxstb_loader2 was written from scratch, I don't know where the various drivers came from (if anywhere).
00:16:15DataGhostand over USB i can find them both at sector x and y
00:16:16*amiconn wonders what special magic the ipl kernel might do, ata wise
00:16:26DataGhostamiconn probably ata-7 support
00:16:47amiconnata-7 is supposed to be backwards compatible
00:17:17*amiconn tries to navigate the ipl homepage, without much success :/
00:17:24linuxstb_This pages gives the kernel source: http://ipodlinux.org/Kernel_Building
00:17:36DataGhostbut apple isn't required to make compatible stuff, right amiconn? :)
00:17:45amiconnI was searching for irc logs, couldn't find 'em...
00:17:56LinusNapple didn't manufacture the toshiba hard drive
00:17:59DataGhostoh ipl homepage is having load-60+-problems
00:18:21amiconnDataGhost: Does ipl work on the 30GB G5.5?
00:18:29DataGhostI don't know
00:18:30preglowlinuxstb_: i think the loader2 drivers are written from scratch
00:18:32DataGhostI only have the 80GB
00:18:39DataGhostaccording to the wiki it should work on 30GB
00:18:43DataGhostwith loader even
00:18:53DataGhoston the 80GB, the only thing i can load with the loader is appleos
00:18:58linuxstb_amiconn: http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ (IRC logs)
00:19:52linuxstb_AFAIK, IPL boots on a HFS formatted 5.5G, but they haven't adapted the kernel for the "illegal" DOS partition table (HFS ipods use an Apple Partition Map).
00:20:07DataGhostI have a winpod fyi
00:20:23linuxstb_But loader2 (and the Rockbox bootloader) only work on the 30GB due to the same ATA issues Rockbox has.
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00:21:47amiconnHmm, so I guess ipl has problems with the special fat32 partition, and it probably doesn't work on a 30GB/FAT32 G5.5 either
00:22:11linuxstb_loader2 has been fixed for the 30GB/FAT32, but yes, the kernel has the same problem.
00:22:14amiconnAdvantage rockbox on that one ;)
00:22:31DataGhostbut how is the fat32 partition 'special'?
00:22:34amiconnBut the (desktop) linux kernel does handle such partitions...
00:22:37linuxstb_It's just annoying no-one did this 3 months ago...
00:22:42DataGhosthehe
00:23:10linuxstb_The IPL devs claimed the disk controller was different, and didn't even attempt to boot their own kernel...
00:23:22preglowhahaha
00:23:28preglowimpressive
00:24:03amiconnblargh
00:24:17amiconnThis linux source is really hard to follow
00:24:21preglowyes it is
00:24:34*linuxstb_ looks towards Bagder, our resident kernel hacker.
00:25:46Juice^dan_a: ok great.. im using ubuntu now, and trying to get my player working with amarok, any experience there?
00:25:49*amiconn doesn't have a clue where to look in the tree
00:26:35linuxstb_drivers/ide/ide-disk.c has something...
00:27:06linuxstb_Plus ide.c in the same place.
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00:27:27*amiconn doesn't see ide-disk.c
00:27:37LinusNi guess i'll have to assemble my ipod 80gb again and start hacking
00:27:48dan_aJuice^: Sorry, I don't - I just use 'mv' or 'cp' to get music onto the player, and play it either straight from the Sansa or from the original file
00:28:04linuxstb_I'm looking in linux-2.4.24/drivers/ids/
00:28:08*Soap bought the big drive so he didn't have to sync.
00:28:09linuxstb_^ide/
00:28:09LinusNi'm currently drawing the pcb for my logic analyzer adapter board :-)
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00:28:21Juice^dan_a: i see, you're a console man :)
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00:29:10dan_aJuice^: I used KDE until my graphics card started being weird
00:29:20*amiconn wonders where linuxstb sees that
00:29:32amiconnI am browsing here: http://ipodlinux.cvs.sourceforge.net/ipodlinux/linux/drivers/
00:29:34thegeek_LinusN: you got the h120?
00:29:45linuxstb_amiconn: No, that's just the IPL patches to the kernel.
00:29:58LinusNthegeek_: yes, i tried to tell you the other day, but you must have missed it
00:29:59linuxstb_Which are almost zero for ide.
00:30:12thegeek_ah
00:30:12LinusNthegeek_: thanks a lot
00:30:13thegeek_ok:)
00:30:14thegeek_np
00:30:27thegeek_just wanted to make sure it got there;)
00:30:51linuxstb_The Kernel_Building wiki page I linked to describes how to create a source tree - it's a mixture of the standard kernel, then uclinux patches, then the ipl patches...
00:31:09amiconnurgh
00:31:29*amiconn thought there was some kind of online browsing via viewcvs/viewvc
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00:33:10LinusNamiconn: do you remember if godeater removed the call to check_registers() last time he tried?
00:33:53*amiconn is now browsing the git repository on kernel.org
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00:34:34amiconnLinusN: umm, no idea
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00:36:30LinusNamiconn: the check_registers() function might have screwed up the lba48 mechanism
00:36:50amiconnoh?
00:36:52LinusNleading to the IDNF error
00:38:06LinusNi gotta go to bed
00:38:10LinusNnite folks
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00:39:12preglowthegeek_: it's about time we got speex commited now
00:39:17preglowthegeek_: anything new on that front?
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00:40:12Juice^dan_a: im trying to extract the rockbox.zip within gnome.. but the .rockbox folder is somehow hidden, any idea how to show it?
00:40:31thegeek_preglow: huh?
00:41:48preglowforget that
00:41:50dan_aJuice^: None, sorry... traditionally Unix hides all files and directories which start with a dot. There should be an option somewhere in Gnome to show all files
00:41:54preglowfor some reason i thought you were freqmod
00:42:00preglowgotta start reading nicks
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00:42:21ZagorJuice^: try "show all files" in the View menu (assuming you are using file-roller)
00:42:32Juice^show hidden files worked :D
00:42:34Juice^thanks
00:43:00thegeek_;P
00:45:30Juice^nice i love jewels on my e200. thank you Tom Ross!
00:45:45Juice^:))
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00:47:10MadCowis the flyspray account creation broken?
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00:49:39Juice^oh my... rockblox is nice too
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00:57:59Soaphow do I /know/ when a full "make" is in order, and when I can't shortcut with "make bin"?
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00:58:55SoapI ASSume from what I have read that I can safely make bin up until I see any SVN commit which touches the pluggin / codec (?) code?
00:59:56Soapa full make isn't a horrible thing, but it does take a fair amount of time on my slow machine.
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01:02:37Juice^is it just to put a .gb rom in the viewer folder where the rockboy is located?
01:02:57linuxstb_You can put it anyway.
01:03:22Juice^ok
01:03:24linuxstb_And then just select it like a music file.
01:03:34Juice^ah. thats nice
01:04:00dan_aSoap: Have you got ccache on your machine? It makes a noticable difference
01:07:24n1sSoap: I'd say make bin untill plugins stop working ;-)
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01:08:07webguest14hello people
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01:08:24HTDHello
01:08:33webguest14I have a question on the plugin zxbox, can anyone help me on that?
01:09:43HTDI have a quick question reguarding the H10 20GB version of rockbox. On the original firmware you were able to listen to the radio. If I install the rockbox firmware will I still be able to use the radio function?
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01:09:54webguest14No, you will not
01:10:02HTDi see thank you
01:10:02webguest14Well, technically you can
01:10:09HTDif i go back ?
01:10:13webguest14if you boot into the original firmware
01:10:29webguest14well, with rockbox there is a dual bootloader, meaning you can switch to the original firmware
01:10:39webguest14while still having rockbox on there
01:10:46HTDoh cool how do I do that?
01:10:48webguest14http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=50074
01:10:53HTDthank you
01:10:56webguest14there is a thread that tells you step by step
01:11:02webguest14sure :-)
01:12:03pixelmawebguest14: as long as we don't know the question... ;)
01:12:11Soapdan_a: ?
01:12:52dan_aSoap: !
01:13:08SoapI'm reading about it now.
01:13:24***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:13:26SoapDidn't know such a thing even existed. Anything to help my sub 500mhz machines!
01:13:37webguest14ha, ok well i'm having a problem with zxbox on my iriver h10 20 gig
01:14:07webguest14the .tzx and .tap files load and go till about 40% or something like that, and then it freezes
01:14:20webguest14has anyone had any success playing games using zxbox?
01:15:19dan_aCan someone revert the commit that added mazezam? It's too addictive...
01:15:37Genre9mp3dan_a: haha
01:15:43webguest14dan_a: I can't even get passed the 2nd level haha
01:16:47Soapwebguest14: I've never used zxbox myself, but in the forum thread for it, If I Recall Correctly, there was a discussion which included both ROMs which didn't work and ROMs which did work. I suggest trying one of the "known good" ROMs to see if the problem is with your choice of ROMs or in the pluggin itself.
01:17:06linuxstb_I think zxbox only works with 48K Spectrum games.
01:17:24pixelmaheh... beat me
01:17:25webguest14Yes, I downloaded about 3 of them off the site itself
01:17:35webguest14All with the same problem
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01:19:57linuxstb_webguest14: Are you downloading 48K versions?
01:20:06webguest14Anybody making any new wps's for H10 20 GB? :-)
01:20:51webguest14umm, I believe so
01:20:57webguest14how can I check?
01:21:30linuxstb_The download links should say. Or if they are .sna files, how big are they?
01:21:40pixelmawebguest14: you can use the X5's wps too (because the display has the same resolution like the 20GB H10)
01:21:59webguest14yes, thats all the ones I've been using@pixel, but i'd like more :-)
01:22:17webguest14linuxstb_: http://www.worldofspectrum.org/games/index.html
01:22:40webguest14thats the site i've been using and they are .tap files
01:22:51webguest14around 700 KB for each file
01:23:53linuxstb_That website tells you if the games are for the 48KB or 128KB Spectrum.
01:24:20pixelmathe actual links on the site have a "48k" or a "128k" icon ...
01:24:29*pixelma types too slow
01:24:38webguest14oh, I see it now
01:24:47webguest14thanks, but what sucks is that I can't download off ftp's haha
01:24:57webguest14due to my norton internet security that I can't disable
01:25:09webguest14so I had someone re-upload it for me to download
01:25:22webguest14someone want to do that for me ;-)
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01:25:45Kayashacool, hello
01:26:24Kayashacould someone possibly help me ?
01:26:45webguest14Yes, tell me what you need
01:28:15Soapall of a sudden I get the devilish idea of registering all the "webguestNN" nicks.
01:28:30Kayashaok, for rockbox, i followed the instalation and i get error -1
01:28:43Soapthat means you skipped instruction 2.2.2 I believe it is.
01:29:16Soapyou did not extract a .zip file containing the rockbox.<target> file and .rockbox folder to the root of your device.
01:29:40Kayashai did
01:29:50Kayashathe 5gb/6gb one
01:29:54Soap"rockbox error -1" means you didn't.
01:30:00Kayashaumm
01:30:16Kayashai have my .rockbox in my root file of iriver
01:30:23Soapdo you have BOTH the .rockbox folder and rockbox.iriver file in the root of your player?
01:30:23webguest14linuxstb_: I downloaded paperboy, which is 48K, and it still doesn't work :P
01:30:32Kayashai got have the iriver one
01:30:36Kayashadon't*
01:30:45webguest14no... its called rockbox.h10
01:30:53Soapmy bad, thanks.
01:30:55webguest14thats the file, do you have that in your directory
01:30:58Soaprockbox.h10 then.
01:31:04Kayashawait
01:31:18webguest14*waits*
01:31:33Kayashathat file is in system righ now
01:31:58SoapI don't grok?
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01:32:15Kayashagrok?
01:32:22SoapI don't understand.
01:32:45Kayashathe rockbox.h10 is in the file System in my iriver
01:32:55linuxstb_Not the root folder?
01:33:12Kayashanot in the root folder
01:33:22linuxstb_There you go then.
01:33:25webguest14you need to put it in the root folder
01:33:33Kayashaok there it is
01:33:42Kayashaso now it should work
01:34:05Soapnow it will work.
01:34:05webguest14yes it should, unless you made another mistake
01:34:08Kayashaok wait omg
01:34:17webguest14*waits again*
01:34:31Soapif he is getting the -1 error he has the bootloader installed, he made no other mistake.
01:34:33Kayashai got text and rockbox
01:34:47Kayashai love yu omg Ty Ty TY
01:34:55Soapnow you are viewing the filebrowser of your root directory.
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01:35:09Kayashai got no music because i formated it for recovery
01:35:24Kayashaso for theme/wps?
01:35:38webguest14you need to press the power button and then go to browse themes
01:36:06Kayashai meant how to iput one
01:36:11Kayashai downloaded one
01:36:58webguest14If you want more to download you can go here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Wpsiriverh105Gb
01:37:01webguest14oh
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01:37:32webguest14well you go drag and drop those 2 or 3 or 4 folders that are inside that zip file onto the .rockbox file
01:37:42_MatZ_hi
01:37:44webguest14and then if it says replace, then just say yes to all
01:37:48webguest14hello
01:37:51Kayashaok doing it
01:38:02Kayashatestng
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01:38:18Kayashastill the sameblueish one
01:39:41Kayashaomg wait, let me put music in it
01:39:53Kayashaand one last question...... sorry fr games
01:40:25Kayashafor*
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01:42:48Kayashawebguest14?
01:43:14Kayashaor soap?
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01:43:23hc1hi
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01:43:27Kayashahi
01:43:54webguest14yea
01:44:11webguest14to get to the games you press power once and go to browse plugins
01:44:12Kayashafor games, i heard you can play, like doom
01:44:29Kayashaallready in rockbox?
01:44:37webguest14well doom isn't
01:44:45webguest14http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
01:44:47Kayashaook the rest is on
01:44:54webguest14read that and it'll tell you how to put it on there
01:45:00Kayashaook
01:45:09webguest14also pacbox, which is pacman won't work either
01:45:38Kayashahow developped rockbox?
01:45:39webguest14also, it'll be a good idea to read the manual located here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb/rockbox-build.html
01:45:43Kayashawho*
01:45:49webguest14a lot of people
01:45:52Kayashaook
01:46:04webguest14or here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf.pdf
01:46:04Kayashathey are really nice to put that on th web
01:46:10webguest14yes indeed
01:46:27webguest14if you have any more questions, they should be able to be answered in the manual
01:46:40Kayashaook
01:46:41KayashaTy so much
01:47:40webguest14sure
01:47:54webguest14oops
01:47:59webguest14I gave you the wrong pdf file
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01:48:14webguest14http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10_5gb.pdf
01:48:18webguest14theres the right one
01:48:32Kayashacool ty'
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01:49:10webguest14sure
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02:01:50webguest14I'm leaving, bye people
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02:02:24bonbonthejonKayasha: do you know about svn? I need some help
02:02:59linuxstbbonbonthejon: What's the problem?
02:03:07Kayashasry im new
02:03:13Kayashai can't help you
02:03:38bonbonthejonlinuxstb: I just PMed you
02:03:50linuxstbBest to ask here - if I can't help, maybe someone else can.
02:04:54bonbonthejonlinuxstb: its not about rockbox, but svn in general. I'm trying to set up a svn server, and I can't get the repository to have multiple folders deep, is it possible
02:05:06linuxstbIn which case I can't help.
02:05:12bonbonthejonok
02:05:22linuxstbAnd this isn't the place to ask about setting up svn servers...
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02:05:56bonbonthejonlinuxstb: I know. I knew rockbox used svn, so I hoped someone could help set it up
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02:07:03webguest23Hi...can anyone helpme install rockbox on my gigabeat f40
02:07:45webguest23have loaded all files ...i think to the right places...but no change when I turn off and restart the unit
02:08:16toffeyou have to switch off/on the battery
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02:08:49peanutbdoes it work on the i audio M5?
02:09:28webguest23thanks heaps toffeu rock
02:09:45toffedoes it works ?
02:09:46linuxstbpenutb: No.
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02:10:11webguest23yes toffe it works
02:10:18toffeok ;)
02:10:31peanutbi dont think there is much of a difference between the m5 and x5. is there?
02:11:04Hitman1618Can someone help me with the Doom wad. I put the files into the .rockbox/doom directory, and it still says ' missing base.wad' The files I put it are; doom1.wad doom2.wad and rockdoom.wad
02:12:17Kayashaweird i just did it and it worj
02:12:32Kayashayou need to put doom.wad and doom1(shareware) one to
02:12:34linuxstbpenutb: We don't think. It's just that no-one has tried to get Rockbox working on the m5.
02:12:48linuxstbI mean "We don't think so"...
02:12:54Hitman1618where can I get those
02:13:07Kayashaon the rockbox wait
02:13:12Kayashahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
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02:13:59Hitman1618the Doom sharewear one, (the first one you can download, is already thier, under Doom1.wad
02:14:12Kayashathat one
02:14:35Hitman1618i have it thier, and its not working, the one you said I need, just doom.wad, I dont have
02:14:48Kayashaboth
02:14:56Kayashadoom.wad and doom1
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02:15:14Hitman1618where can I get doom.wad then?
02:15:19Kayashayou need rockdoom.wad sorry
02:15:27Hitman1618i have that in thier aswell
02:15:36Kayashasorry them
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02:15:46peanutbi guess ill try then
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02:15:55Hitman1618should I take out Doom2.wad?
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02:15:56Kayashadelete and recopy it
02:16:28Kayashaanyways i need to go
02:16:33Kayashahope ihelped a bit
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02:16:56Hitman1618to start doom, you just goto Plugins>Doom correct?
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02:23:06webguest29Hello
02:23:11webguest29Can someone help me?
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02:24:12webguest29I saw a guide on adding roms to your Rockbox iPod.. I lost it, does anyone know how to do it?
02:24:36midgeyas in gameboy roms?
02:24:46webguest29Yes
02:25:03webguest29GBC
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02:25:47webguest29Anyone?
02:26:03midgeyfind some gbc roms from a site online (can't tell you where) and place them anywhere on your ipod
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02:26:17midgeythen "play" them just like you would a song
02:26:31midgeyrockboy should load up the rom and start playing
02:26:42pixelmayou can find a guide somewhere in here... http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml :D
02:27:05webguest29It says model not supported
02:27:33pixelmawhat Ipod?
02:27:34midgeywhat type of ipod do you have?
02:27:39webguest295g
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02:28:14webguest29Video...
02:28:38midgeyhmm, rockboy should work on the 5g
02:28:41midgeyill check the sim
02:28:51webguest29I can play other games but not the roms
02:28:57webguest29I also changed the to .rock
02:29:01webguest29them
02:29:06webguest29instead of .gbc
02:29:10midgeyoh
02:29:13midgeydont do that
02:29:17webguest29=.=
02:29:23midgeyjust leave them as .gbc or .gb
02:29:34webguest29So then they will work?
02:29:41midgeyrockboy will open automatically with a gb or gbc file
02:29:48webguest29oh o.0
02:29:51webguest29So
02:29:56webguest29I can add any Gbc file?
02:30:01webguest29As long as its gbc?
02:30:19midgeyassuming its a valid game boy color rom, yes it should work
02:30:34webguest29What are the controls for Pokemon =p
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02:31:02midgeycheck the manual for the 5g
02:31:06midgeyand go to rockboy
02:31:13midgeythe controls should be listed
02:32:25midgeyactually scratch that, the 5g manual doesn't
02:32:29midgeythat should be fixed
02:32:53midgeyipods use scroll position in rockboy
02:33:28midgeyi think placing your finger on diagonal right (between menu and >>|) is A
02:33:56webguest29man
02:34:03webguest29rhis is so gay
02:34:12webguest29My ipod wont go ino disk
02:34:21webguest29It says I need to reformatt
02:34:24webguest29=.=
02:34:43webguest29Should i?
02:35:08midgeycan't say im terribly familiar with ipods, sorry
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03:02:46webguest37I have a problem installing roms into my iPod.. They don't show up!
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03:03:05webguest37I put some pokemon roms .gbc into my ipod rocks folder
03:03:15webguest37Then when I look at em it doesnt show up on screen
03:03:40midgeythe roms are in .rockbox/rocks ?
03:03:48webguest37yes
03:03:58midgeythats a hidden folder by default
03:04:10midgeychange your viewmode to all
03:04:11webguest37oh
03:04:14webguest37okay
03:04:19midgeyand go to .rockbox/rocks
03:04:20webguest37So thats in general settings?
03:04:33midgeyor just move them into another folder
03:05:06webguest37can I acess them through the thing in the beginning
03:05:28webguest37Oh
03:05:29webguest37k
03:05:31webguest37Thanks a lot
03:10:05Soapthat "thing in the begining", webguest37, is a file browser, just like Windows explorer.
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03:12:38Plouj-hi
03:12:48Plouj-what's the filename for international iRiver h320 firmware?
03:13:23Plouj-I only see 1.28k, 1.28eu, 1.29k, 1.30eu, and 1.29j
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03:13:38Plouj-I assume those mean korea, europe, and japan
03:13:44midgeyuse 1.29k or 1.29j
03:14:33Plouj-or am I just imagining that k, j, and eu mean anything?
03:14:47midgeyyou were right
03:14:51Plouj-oh
03:15:02midgeyk = korean, j = japanese, eu = europe
03:15:57daurnimatorJdGordon: ping
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03:17:36Plouj-umm
03:17:43Plouj-shouldn't there be a firmware patcher for GNU/Linux?
03:18:00Plouj-isn't there one?
03:20:50midgeyhave you read IriverBoot on the wiki?
03:21:00midgeylook under patching the iriver firmware
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03:21:37midgeyyou'll need to have the source checked out
03:21:49midgey(see the topic)
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03:26:10FebsBluebrother's change to manual/makefile broke the manual build for me.
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03:27:38midgeyFebs: they fixed the problem for me (I'm on Mac OS X)
03:28:07FebsI'm using the VMWare image, so I assume that it will cause problems for others as well.
03:28:16Plouj-virtualbox!
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03:30:03FebsTrying to build the manual now causes the error: xargs: invalid option −−I
03:32:07midgeyhmm
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03:32:23midgeyon mac, -i is invalid
03:33:14FebsYeah, I see that in his commit message.
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03:33:47FebsI've changed it back in my local Makefile so that I can compile the changes I just made. I just need to make sure I don't accidentally commit that file.
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03:37:25FebsThat didn't work either.
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03:42:33Plouj-so
03:42:48Plouj-how do I get a firmware patcher for GNU/Linux?
03:42:58Plouj-do I run make in rockbox/fwpatcher/ ?
03:43:04webguest37Do GBA roms work on rockboy?
03:43:26midgeyrun make in rockbox/tools i think
03:43:33midgeywebguest37: no
03:43:45webguest37Darn
03:43:51Plouj-it says "Run make in your build directory!" if I do that, webguest37
03:43:57Plouj-erm
03:43:59Plouj-that was for midgey
03:44:21webguest37What are some good roms
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03:44:37webguest37I got pokemon and ddr so far
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03:46:21Plouj-and if I run make in tools/fwpatcher I get:
03:46:40Plouj-"No rule to make target bootloader-h100.bin', needed by 'resource.o'."
03:49:58midgeyPlouj-: try running the following commands in /tools
03:50:00midgeyhttp://www.pastebin.ca/318075
03:50:02DataGhosthey, to anyone who is interested: http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/5.5G-80GB-iDoom.avi
03:50:03DataGhost:P
03:51:14Plouj-midgey: I can just run make descramble.o for that
03:52:06Plouj-midgey: what's the point though?
03:52:40midgeythats part of the output i received from a fresh build
03:52:52midgeyits the part that makes scramble and descramble
03:53:10midgeyi've never just built just tools
03:53:25Plouj-what did you build before?
03:53:27midgeyeh, scratch a just in that sentence...
03:53:35midgeyfull sim or target build
03:53:58Plouj-what's a target build?
03:54:10midgeyas in a build for the h300 or e200
03:54:11Plouj-like rockbox for a specific player?
03:54:15midgeyright
03:54:16Plouj-how do I do that?
03:54:29midgeymake a directory
03:54:34midgeysay h300
03:54:41midgeychange into that directory
03:54:55midgeyand type ../tools/configure
03:55:02midgeychoose your target
03:55:07midgeyand normal build
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03:55:34midgeyif you have all the necessary build programs installed, it should build a full build for the h300
03:55:41midgeyincluding the tools directory
03:56:15Plouj-humm
03:56:28Plouj-is there a list of packages I need to install for those tools on Ubuntu?
03:56:54Plouj-I don't seem to have m68k-elf-gcc
03:57:06midgeytry running rockboxdev.sh in the tools directory
03:57:12midgeyit should automate the process
03:57:53Plouj-it doesn't seem to use apt
03:59:25Plouj-oh well
03:59:32Plouj-it'll just install in /usr/local, which is fine
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04:04:45kayashahey still me, rockbox is so cool, but skipping? any topic on thar ?
04:04:54Soapwhat player kayasha?
04:05:24kayashastill iriver h10 5gb
04:05:45Soaphmm, I'm not good with that one.
04:05:45kayashacould be song
04:05:52Soapwhat codec?
04:06:01kayashalost me there
04:06:21midgeypart of its the fact that arm is less optimized than coldfire at the moment
04:06:32scorcheSoap: think of it as a mini first gen with a color screen
04:06:36midgeykayasha: mp3, ogg, flac, et cetera
04:07:04Soapscorche: I thought it had more problems than the mini 1st gen.
04:07:13scorcheit does
04:07:17kayashai'll say mp3
04:07:24kayashanot sure
04:07:33midgeyhave you updated to the newest build?
04:07:48kayashagood wuestion, thing so
04:07:52midgeya commit was made a few days ago that made the h10 faster
04:07:58Soapkayasha: does your WhilePlayingScreen have bars on it which bounce to the music? (peakmeters)
04:08:20midgeykayasha: or are you using an equalizer?
04:08:40kayashaeq and no i don't have a bounce to the music bar thing
04:08:54SoapEQ alone can cause skipping.
04:09:22kayashai put default ook?
04:09:29kayashano skipping till now
04:09:55SoapTurn off the EQ and see if it skips.
04:10:02midgeywell, if its a high bitrate mp3 and you have an EQ, you can get skipping
04:10:02kayashajust did that
04:10:08kayashaand nope looks good
04:10:09midgeyyou also may get skipping while playing games
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04:10:16kayashaookk
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04:10:30kayashafor the playlist/music folder
04:10:43kayashais there a way to get it more organised or what?
04:10:46HTDhello again
04:11:09midgeykayasha: you could try database mode
04:11:18kayashausm?
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04:11:39midgeyorganized by artist or song or genre etc, like an ipod
04:11:46kayashayaa
04:11:49kayashalike that
04:12:09HTDi have a question reguarding the dual boot for the iriver H10 players. it says that in dualboot when i use the original firmware its buggy in such that when i hold the power button it only goes to sleep mode and waste battery
04:12:27HTDnow is that sleep mode the same as the sleep mode on the oringal firmware w/o dual boot?
04:12:45HTDor does it use more battery than normal or something?
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04:13:59midgeykayasha: menu-> general settings-> file view-> database ->initialize now
04:14:44midgeyHTD: barrywardell or dan_a are the most likely to be able to answer those questions
04:15:14kayashathat is in the iriver it self or ?
04:15:25midgeyon any rockbox target
04:16:32kayashalost me
04:16:35kayashaim noob at this
04:16:42midgeygo to the menu
04:16:52midgey(tap power on the h10, i think)
04:17:37midgeythe go to general settings
04:17:39kayashaok got it
04:17:44midgeythen go to file view, etc
04:17:45midgeyok
04:17:52kayashaafter initialize?
04:18:11midgeyno, now you need to wait for a bit
04:18:32midgeythere should by a circle logo in the upper right part of the screen
04:18:48midgeywhen that goes away, the database is ready
04:19:09kayashathink it is ready
04:19:25midgeyok, go to the quickmenu
04:19:52kayashaok
04:20:10midgeyand change "show files" to Database
04:20:29HTDim not sure which iriver your using but for my 20GB h10 the circle flash on and off and stays off when its ready (but when its off you have to 'restart' the player. turn it off and turn it back on than u should have your database)
04:20:43HTDat least thats how i got mine to work
04:20:51kayashaok
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04:22:04kayashathat is done
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04:28:41kayashachanging the themes/fonts
04:29:14kayashaany one good at that?
04:30:57kayashai can't change it crap
04:31:16HTDi know how to change the theme from what they give you and i know how to add but i dont know how to create
04:31:26kayashai wat to add
04:31:54HTDwhen i mean add i mean download pre made themes and putting it in the right folder
04:32:01kayashayaya
04:33:18HTDin your .rockbox folder there is a folder called themes
04:33:23kayashaook
04:33:36HTDjust put the .cfg file/theme u got and out it inside the themes folder
04:33:47kayashawhat about hte rest?
04:33:51HTDthan disconnect your player and go to the main menu and change theme
04:33:58HTDthe rest of the folders?
04:34:01kayashain the iriver
04:34:09kayashaomg -.- im stupid ok wait
04:35:42HTDsay for example your player is E: (when you connect in UMS mode) you should put your downloaded pre made themes in the follow folder: (pre made themes have a .cfg extention on them) E:\.rockbox\themes\yourfilehere.cfg
04:35:45kayashadidn't work?
04:36:09kayashaok not it worked
04:36:31HTDok assuming you placed it in the right place
04:36:39HTDand you disconnect your player
04:36:41HTDgo to main menu
04:36:52kayashaya i did
04:37:00HTDand than go to browse themes
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04:37:08HTDand it should be in there somewhere
04:37:12HTDif it not there?
04:37:15HTDis*
04:37:36kayashado you know a cool one ?
04:37:56HTDother than what the default is? no sorry
04:38:04HTDbut for the default i like the iAmp
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04:38:50HTDare you using iriver h10?
04:38:56kayashayap
04:38:59HTD5 6 or 20?
04:39:02kayasha5
04:39:05HTDcool
04:39:11kayasha?
04:39:34HTDu know there is a dual boot for that right? (you can still get radio*
04:39:37HTD)
04:39:49kayashame and radio eee , not nessesary
04:39:58HTDoh lol
04:40:33kayashadoom is cool
04:40:34kayashalool
04:41:09nixphoeniany devs around? i have a basic question about interrupts
04:41:22HTDhow did u get it to work? mine keeps saying BASE WAD MISSING, and i already got the rockdoom.wad AND doom2.wad inside the DOOM folder inside the .rockbox
04:41:53kayashai have normal shareware doom
04:42:03HTDyeah i tried that too didnt work
04:42:10HTDthe doom1.wad
04:42:18kayashajust put it in the file and it worked lol
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04:42:19kayashaim lucky
04:42:23HTDhow many files do you have
04:42:25HTD2?
04:42:36HTDinside the doom folder
04:43:04kayashayap
04:43:24HTDhmm and the doom folder is inside the .rockbox folder?
04:43:30kayashayap
04:43:59kayashadoes your iriver make a clicky sound sometimes?
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04:44:01HTDdo you think you can link me where u got the files? i got mine from the manual but maybe those files are old or something because they are not working for me
04:44:08HTDyeah its normal
04:44:15kayasha?
04:44:25kayashai got from the roxkbox site
04:44:28kayashawait
04:45:09HTDbut my iriver h10 is the 20GB i dunno about the 5GB (if it uses flash memory) than NO a clicky sound is not normal
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04:45:24Mouser_XAnything new/exciting/special/worth mentioning that happened today? (Besides HCS's SPC player. That's pretty darn cool, btw.)
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04:46:11HTDnot that i know of
04:46:11kayashasry about that
04:46:14HTDits cool
04:46:31kayashayou got msn
04:46:36kayashai could send it to you
04:46:38kayashai lost link
04:47:02Mouser_XLink is in Hyrule.
04:47:09Mouser_XHe should be pretty easy to find.
04:47:16HTDno i dont, can you copy and paste?
04:47:24kayashajust amin
04:47:52HTDmouser_x: whats that hcs spc player thing
04:48:07Mouser_XCheck the flyspray tracker.
04:48:13Mouser_Xhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6542
04:48:14kayashahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/PluginDoom/rockdoom.wad
04:48:19HTDi dont know what that is its my first time here
04:48:24HTDthank you kayasha
04:48:39kayashahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/PluginDoom/doom1wad.zip
04:48:58kayashawhy does it goclickl
04:49:01kayashacliky
04:49:41HTDim not sure if the 5GB is flash memory or not but if its like the 20GB than its normal, if you listen to your desktop computer real close you can hear the hard drive making noises
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04:49:47Plouj-midgey: ok, I compiled everything for h320, where do I find the firmware patcher!?
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04:50:05kayashanoit's not flash
04:50:13kayashayou can use it as a hard drive
04:50:17Mouser_XHTD: Did you see both of my links?
04:50:48HTDthan yeah that clicky sound means the disk is spinning / working its perfectly normal as long as its not really lound
04:50:56HTDyes im looking at them in 2min
04:50:58kayashait is
04:51:00HTDty
04:51:08kayasharealy lound
04:51:25kayashaok it stoped
04:51:31midgeyPlouj-: check in the tools directory, scramble and descramble should be there
04:51:32kayashamaybe when it gets t hot
04:51:39Mouser_XHTD: So, you saw the snesmusic.org link? I timed out, so I wasn't sure if that made it through.
04:52:05HTDno not that link
04:52:27Plouj-midgey: I don't have a tools dir in a newly created h320 directory, nor is there any *scramble* file
04:52:40midgeyno, in /rockbox/tools
04:53:01Plouj-but I was compiling outside of rockbox o_O
04:53:33Plouj-so wwhat do I do with descramble?
04:53:40midgeycheck IriverBoot
04:53:41HTD bah, im stilling getting base wad missing.
04:53:51HTDare you using the daily build?
04:54:00midgeyHTD: download rockdoom.wad from PluginDoom
04:54:00kayashayap
04:54:02kayashahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex
04:54:05kayashaall the plugins
04:54:13Mouser_XHTD: You have *both* WAD files, right?
04:54:18HTDim using cvs build though maybe thats why
04:54:24HTDyeah i have rockdoom.wad
04:54:27HTDand doom1.
04:54:28HTDwad
04:54:31Mouser_XAh.
04:54:38Mouser_XJust trying to help.
04:54:46kayashaim using a normal built not cvs
04:56:00kayashaMouser_X
04:56:04Mouser_XYes?
04:56:17kayashamaybe you know, how to put music in folders/sorted out
04:56:28kayashanot all scramble
04:56:35Mouser_XI don't understand the question.
04:56:43Mouser_XThey're not organized by filename?
04:56:49kayashalike artist, gender
04:56:53HTDoh
04:56:57HTDthose are your id3 tags
04:57:05HTDeven though your file name says one thing
04:57:09Mouser_XIt sounds like you want a database view.
04:57:11HTDthe id3 tags might be different
04:57:43HTDpress and hold the left button on your h10 to go to the quick menu
04:57:46Plouj-hummm
04:57:48kayashai got it
04:57:50kayashanvm
04:57:57HTDokay yeah
04:57:59Plouj-midgey: I don't seem to have a rockbox/bootloader/bootloader.bin file
04:57:59Mouser_XGlad you fixed it.
04:58:09kayashaquick menu general setting database initialize now
04:58:20*Mouser_X will be running Rockbox on his Gigabeat, when it arrives tomarrow.
04:58:22kayashathen show files data base
04:58:42Mouser_X(In other words, I don't yet have Rockbox.)
04:59:17midgeyPlouj-: its an attachment at the bottom of IriverBoot
04:59:20kayashaok now, in normal firmware, in browser i made some files wth my music, is thatpossible in rockbox?
04:59:21Plouj-oh
04:59:50Mouser_Xkayasha: What player are you using?
04:59:52HTDwhat do u mean you made some files with your music? you mean a playlist?
05:00
05:00:15kayashairiver 5gb
05:00:21Mouser_XAh.
05:00:21kayashai folder with all my music in it'
05:00:34HTDyou want to browse via file tree?
05:00:46kayashawhat ever that means
05:01:00Mouser_XIf you've setup the database view, you'll see your files, when it finishes building the database.
05:01:01HTDyou want to browse by folders in the way you arrange them?
05:01:13kayashayaaaa
05:01:23HTDokay go to quick menu (NOT main menu)
05:01:33HTDand scroll down till you see all
05:01:50kayashagot it nvm, i did magic
05:02:02kayashashow files, i did all lool
05:02:15kayashaTY
05:02:21HTDyw
05:02:26kayashalool
05:02:45HTDso whats everyone's most played song on their players
05:02:45kayashanow bed time for me
05:02:59HTDmine is sia - breathe me
05:03:01kayashame it's japanese songs so
05:03:02Plouj-ok, time to flash the bootloader
05:03:16kayashaim a anime fan
05:03:17HTDoh lol thats cool
05:03:22kayashaand techno
05:03:28*Mouser_X collects video game music.
05:03:37kayashawow cool
05:03:43kayashamouser nice nice
05:03:52midgeyPlouj-: make sure the md5sum matches
05:03:55kayashaall ff is good kingdom hearts is good
05:04:06HTDi once heard a jpop once and on the chours they were suppose to say "i say whatever" but they couldn't say it right and it keeps coming out as "i say wall evar"
05:04:06kayashachrono trigger
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05:04:18Mouser_XLike as in, I have over 55,000 songs, and I'd say 5,000 (almost certainly much, much less) is "mainstream" as in Weird Al, Enya, and stuff like that.
05:04:19kayashalol
05:04:24Plouj-midgey: I did
05:04:25HTDi laughed so hard when me and mine friends were cursing down 3rd street blasting that music
05:04:40kayashaNICE
05:04:48kayashaanyways bed time DODO
05:04:55kayashachowww and ty again
05:04:56Mouser_XSleep well.
05:04:56HTDsee ya
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05:05:15Plouj-wait a second
05:05:20Plouj-did I have to copy the fonts somewhere first?
05:05:50midgeythose are extra, rockbox will work without them
05:05:55midgeybut most themes require them
05:06:01Plouj-where do I put them?
05:06:14midgeyextract them to .rockbox/fonts
05:06:18Plouj-in .rockbox/fonts
05:06:19Plouj-k
05:06:20Mouser_X.rockbox/fonts
05:06:22Plouj-well
05:06:26Plouj-extract them?
05:06:29Mouser_XYes.
05:06:32midgeyalso, if you're using the US firmware, you may need to flash twice
05:06:33Plouj-the SVN checkout seems to have them extracted, no?
05:06:37midgeyyes
05:06:47Plouj-I was told the US firmware isn't even supported
05:06:52midgeyif you download from the site they're in a zip file
05:06:58Plouj-so I jused Japanese firmware
05:07:07midgeyright, i meant if thats the firmware currently on your player
05:07:17Plouj-oh
05:07:32Plouj-so, the first time I flash, I'll get back to iriver firmware?
05:09:42HTDi thought you didnt have to flash anything to install iriver rockbox
05:10:37Plouj-humm
05:10:40Plouj-did you mean this:
05:11:02Plouj-I told my player to flash the firmware, but after doing that, it just went back to the play screen
05:11:13Plouj-?
05:11:56Plouj-humm, I tried it again, and iriver still isn't turning off
05:12:13Plouj-nor does it show any progress indicator
05:13:05Plouj-was putting new.hex in the root of the player not enough?
05:13:21midgeyit has to be named H300.hex
05:13:31Plouj-figures
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05:14:42Plouj-there it goes
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05:18:01Plouj-sweet
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05:20:22Plouj-rockbox is runnin!
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05:50:20Plouj-umm
05:50:44Plouj-what video formats does rockbox plays?
05:50:49combrainsgotthardt, you around?
05:51:00gotthardthey combrains
05:51:09combrainshiya
05:51:17combrainsI saw your commit
05:51:23combrainsdid you find the bug?
05:51:31*gotthardt crosses fingers
05:51:38combrainshehe
05:51:40midgeyPlouj-: mpeg 1 or mpeg 2 video with mpeg3-layer1 audio at 44.1kHz
05:51:48combrainsok will svn up now and see
05:51:59midgeylook up PluginMpegPlayer
05:52:13gotthardti think so - i was just idleing the iis and not letting it finish a frame
05:52:47combrainsic. i see that sloth hs changed somthing in the system too - soes this mean i need to build a new bootloader too?
05:53:17gotthardtnot sure - i think it has to be 1/14 or later
05:53:42combrainsI have the one from the wiki currently
05:55:20KCCwhats the most common cause of Rockbox locking up at the filebrowser right after boot, just out of curiosity :)
05:56:02KCClets say, on a Gigabeat?
05:56:43gotthardti havent seen it - can you reproduce consistantly?
05:56:56KCCabsolutely
05:57:09gotthardtcool - how?
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05:57:43KCCI press the power button, rockbox boots
05:57:50KCCshows me the pretty Rockbox logo
05:57:56KCCgoes into the filebrowser
05:57:58*gotthardt follows along
05:58:14KCCand i get a BSOD immediately
05:58:17combrainsgotthardt, BTW i was reading the output of my dmesg after I went offline last night and suse does se my gb as being manufactured by toshiba and does see it as a mobile audio player but it keeps wanting to mount it as a camera
05:58:21KCCa USB picture shows up when I plug in a USB though
05:59:05combrainswhich model? i didnt think we had a BSOD on rb
05:59:20KCCGigabeat F40
05:59:29gotthardt<KCC> what does it look like?
06:00
06:00:08gotthardtcan you make your own builds?
06:00:11KCCliek i said, it goes into the filebrowser
06:00:15KCCshows me 4 options
06:00:34KCCthen the little disk icon in the top right corner turns into a solid black box, and the player freezes
06:00:41KCCif i touch the touchpad, my four options disappear
06:00:48KCCand im left with a disfigured title bar and a BSOD
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06:01:12gotthardtwhat do you do exactly to go into filebrowser?
06:01:31KCCi turn it o
06:01:33KCCon*
06:01:45KCCit shows me some DOS prompt type stuff for a bit
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06:01:50KCCshows me the pretty Rockbox logo
06:01:52combrainsdo you know which version you have?
06:02:03KCCof rockbox?
06:02:06KCCive got the latest CVS
06:02:10KCCand ive tried both bootloaders
06:02:12KCCto no avail
06:02:17KCCill try an older build, perhaps
06:02:26combrainsall I could sugest is making sure that you have the bootloader from the wiki
06:02:30KCC(sorry, not CVS anymore, i apolgize)
06:03:06KCCi'll try it
06:04:44combrainsgotthardt, gwhite has altered system-megfx.c. does this constitute a rebuild of the bootloader?
06:04:57gotthardtill look
06:04:57KCCsame problem...
06:05:16combrainsif kcc has latest svn then this could be the problem
06:05:19gotthardtno - minor
06:05:24combrainsok
06:06:05KCCill try reverting to an older daily build?
06:06:09KCCyesterdays, perhaps
06:09:00KCCyesterdays build works flawlessly
06:09:04KCCim happy to report
06:09:14gotthardtgood!
06:09:16combrainscoll - im running yesterday's svn atm
06:09:28combrainsim building latest svs as we speak
06:09:42combrainsill report back in a few minutes
06:10:18KCCtime to get a new WPS going :)
06:12:12combrainsgotthardt, did you see my query re my suse problem^^^
06:13:23gotthardtyes - somehow the core USB is passing off the VID:PID and a camera driver is taking it...
06:13:55gotthardtso - what to do?
06:14:10gotthardtcan you do a lsmod ?
06:14:18gotthardtand find out what drivers are loaded
06:14:43gotthardtthen i think you can blacklist that driver from loading
06:14:46combrainsthe results of dmesg say that the manufatureer is toshiba and the product is a mobil audio player
06:14:53gotthardtk
06:15:01gotthardttype: lsmod
06:17:21combrainsok this is crazy, now it shows up a a mass storage HDD
06:17:48gotthardtfun
06:18:59combrainssuse is running inside a VM - could this be a factor?
06:19:19gotthardtbeats me - i havent tried that before
06:19:40gotthardtbut its a good bet
06:20:32Plouj-how do I change the screen turn off delay? It seems too short. I only found idle power off which is at 10 min. I'm experiencing 10second delays before screen turns off...
06:21:06gotthardtmenu / general settings / lcd settings - try the top one
06:21:26KCCRockbox is...
06:21:28KCCINCREDIBLE
06:21:30KCCI love you all.
06:21:43combrainsso you rebuilt and it works?
06:21:50combrainsmy SVN build works
06:21:53gotthardtanother happy customer... :)
06:21:56KCCyup, ive got beatMPgirl loaded
06:22:00KCCmy 'beats sexyyy
06:22:44Plouj-humm
06:22:55Plouj-shouldn't mplayer cause the lcd screen not to turn off?
06:23:37combrainsgotthardt, your bug persists :P
06:23:37gotthardtPlouj-: i think you are right
06:23:40gotthardtahh
06:24:03gotthardti couldnt get it to happen on mine for a long time...
06:24:12combrains3 tries...
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06:24:19gotthardtbummer
06:24:23combrainsplay/pause
06:24:42gotthardttry turning off the fade on stop
06:24:48gotthardtplease
06:24:48combrainsit is off
06:24:57combrainsi dont like it
06:25:29gotthardtbut does it work now?
06:25:43combrainsi tried with it off to start with
06:25:50gotthardtrats
06:26:07combrainssorry to be the bearer of bad news :P
06:26:35gotthardtno prob - gotta know it
06:27:02combrainsok im going out for dinner tonight
06:27:08combrainsgott go get ready
06:27:10gotthardthave fun
06:27:18combrainsmight check back later - see how we go
06:27:29*combrains waves bubie
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06:28:06Plouj-this owns
06:28:58Plouj-is playing doom generally bad for the navi pad? ;p
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06:31:42KCCanybody else find it funny when you plug in a USB cable to the gigabeat using the beatMPgirl theme?
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06:54:44perldivergotthardt
06:54:47perldiverstill here?
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06:54:56gotthardtyep
06:54:58perldiverhey
06:55:02perldiverhows everything
06:55:17gotthardtgood - and you?
06:55:40perldivernot bad, too hot tonight though
06:55:50gotthardt? where are you?
06:55:57perldiverthats the funny part
06:56:00perldivernew york
06:56:09gotthardtthat is funny
06:56:17gotthardtthermastat stuck?
06:56:19perldiver+15C at night
06:56:21perldiveris no joke
06:56:25perldiverif its january
06:56:30gotthardtwow
06:57:06perldiverlet me scroll up
06:57:13perldiverwhat combrains was going on about
06:57:16perldiverbugs?
06:57:52gotthardtleft and right channel switches sometimes
06:57:55perldiverhavent seen one in a while
06:57:58perldiverstill does?
06:58:05gotthardti cant get it anymore - he says it does
06:58:11perldiverits kinda weird, cause i could never reproduce
06:58:23perldiveri dont hit play/pause a lot though
06:58:56perldiverwith the latest builds sound quality is almost perfection
06:59:08perldiverand channel swap is nowhere to see
06:59:08gotthardtcool
06:59:42perldiveryeah i couldnt believe my monitor speakers
06:59:55gotthardtnice eh?
07:00
07:00:07perldiverbrilliant
07:00:26perldiveractually 1st hardware player with such a nice range
07:00:28gotthardtdang - i just got the channel switch after an hour...
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07:00:39perldiverok, tell me what did you do
07:00:50perldiverjust hitting play/pause all the time?
07:00:51gotthardti just push pause then play
07:00:55gotthardtyes
07:01:00perldivermp3s?
07:01:10gotthardtno wav file
07:01:18Mikachuis it just me or are the colored diffs more boring than they used to be?
07:01:30perldiverso only with wav files?
07:01:38gotthardtMikachu: boring..
07:01:52Mikachu(ie no colors)
07:02:15midgeyAt least they're working more than they were a day or two ago
07:02:15gotthardtperldiver: i was told others - but wav is closest to raw
07:02:20perldiversvn builds are not hanging the player anymore?
07:02:48gotthardtdont know - i build local
07:03:00perldiveri have to check myself
07:03:17perldiverwell, i can tell i know i never had that channel swapping bug
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07:04:01perldiveri had quite different sound complaints but they are long gone now
07:04:40gotthardtshooting for perfection here...
07:04:59perldiverdo you have a slight delay while browsing to upper folder from an album one?
07:05:10perldiverthats what im getting quite a bit
07:05:21perldiverdir cache on
07:05:50gotthardti get a delay now when i hit up arrow... kinda bugs me - but if we are using a large buffer, that might be the price we pay...
07:06:25gotthardti have dir cache on too
07:06:49perldiverthere was a talk to day about slowing down the cpu to 200 and give it a full go on tasks like video player etc
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07:07:44gotthardtpossible - just need to get the right clock divisors - the cpu is picky
07:08:12perldiverbut the battery life is already around 20 hours
07:08:25perldiverstill would be interesting to see what rates we can reach
07:08:28gotthardtthat is amazing..
07:08:28Mikachuwhy do you need 200mhz for playing music when the others get by with a lot less?
07:08:43gotthardtwe have 300Mhz now
07:08:44perldiverMikachu cause we can?
07:08:54gotthardtits actually a slowdown
07:08:58perldiverhaha
07:09:26gotthardti dont know why they used such a fast chip - maybe they had other plans
07:09:33Mikachuyes, i got that when you said slowdown :)
07:09:35gotthardtor got it cheap
07:10:06Mouser_XIn the hopes of some codecs I'd like to see come up, I like the 300mhz CPU.
07:10:28gotthardtand of course quake
07:10:31gotthardtheh
07:10:50Mouser_XThough, being able to set at what speed it runs depending on the task it's doing would probably be the better idea (if that's possible).
07:11:37perldiverlol
07:11:45 Part gotthardt ("time to hit the gym")
07:12:04perldiveri should say he hits the gym pretty late
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07:16:33toffedo you want to learn japanese :rockbox japan : http://somewhere.babyblue.jp/wiki/pukiwiki.php?FrontPage
07:16:48toffeand also http://www.wikihouse.com/cipher/index.php?FrontPage
07:20:24voltagexsomeone needs to update and re-upload the VMWare image :/
07:20:31voltagexit requires 202mb of updates
07:20:40Mouser_XD:
07:20:53Mikachuwhy would it require updates?
07:21:03perldiverthat japanese page looks surreal
07:21:05Mikachuyou're not supposed to go surfing the internet with it
07:21:07voltagexapt-get dist-upgrade says 202mb
07:21:21voltagexMikachu: but new and shiny is nice :P
07:21:26perldiverMouser_X hows wps doing?
07:21:34Mikachuyeah that's a real good reason
07:22:01perldiversome prefer wet and shiny
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07:22:54Mouser_Xperldiver: I haven't touched it since the weekend.
07:23:11voltagexMikachu: because I said so?
07:23:25Mouser_XMy Gigabeat will be arriving tomarrow, so I probably won't be touching it until Wed. at the earliest.
07:23:46perldiverMouser_X its all good
07:23:58Mikachuvoltagex: go ahead and update your image, then tell me how much it needs in two weeks
07:24:13voltagex:P I haven't updated it
07:24:21voltagexnot gonna waste 200mb of quota.
07:24:42Mikachuhah quota
07:24:51Mikachucrazy australian isps
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07:25:38voltagexMikachu: we call broadband fraudband here.
07:25:51Mikachui've used 200MB of bandwidth in the last 2 minutes :)
07:26:00perldiverquotafreuds
07:26:10voltagexMikachu: omg, how fast is your connection?
07:26:14Mikachu100
07:26:23voltagex100mb???!
07:26:31Mikachumegabits
07:26:44voltagexwow, can I run torrents on your b0x?
07:26:50Mikachuno please
07:26:54voltagexlol
07:27:00voltagex:;(
07:27:02perldiverwhats your upload?
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07:27:09Mikachuit's symmetric
07:27:18voltagexholy shjite
07:27:23voltagexyou'd be a good seed
07:27:26perldiverwet and shiny!
07:27:30voltagexand no quota?
07:27:33Mikachunope
07:27:51voltagexhow many gigs do you do a month?
07:27:55Mikachuno idea
07:27:58Mouser_XHow much do you pay for service?
07:28:18Mikachu7$/month
07:28:25Mouser_XO_O
07:28:28*Mouser_X wants
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07:28:54perldiverMikachu where are you?
07:29:02Mikachusweden
07:29:05perldiveroh that explains it
07:29:36Mouser_X:(
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07:29:50Mouser_XThat'd be difficult for me to get service out this far...
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07:34:21*voltagex moves to Sweden
07:34:45voltagexif we had 100mbit here, it would be $300/month and have a 400mb download quota!
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07:42:18maxis308hello?
07:42:25toffethis is a good site for good music (mp3 and cheap) : http://magnatune.com/
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07:52:00maxis308hello?
07:52:10LinusNhello
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07:55:32maxis308do u guys use rockbox/
07:57:24Mouser_XConsidering the name of this channel, I'd have to say it's extremely likely.
07:58:26maxis308anyone use it for an x5?
07:58:47Mouser_XAgain, most likely.
07:58:58maxis308well who/
07:59:02maxis308not you obviously
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07:59:49Mouser_XPerhaps if you simply asked your question, it'd get answered.
07:59:58midlomanHi gang, need some help :)
08:00
08:00:37midlomanRockbox on H320, 1.29K wont boot
08:01:13maxis308im jw if i shoudl switch
08:02:12JdGordonmidloman: is there an error?
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08:03:10midlomanno error, nothing on screen, stays black. If I tap on key twice, loads Iriver firmware
08:03:46JdGordondo you actually have the rockbox bootloader installed?
08:04:32midlomanyes. downloaded the 1.29k firmware, patched it, then flashed the patched version.
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08:05:01JdGordonsounds like it didnt match successfully...
08:05:19JdGordono.. are you using a us version?
08:05:34JdGordoni mean is your h320 us or international?
08:05:37midlomanyes, previous firmware was 1.04
08:05:46JdGordonok, you have to flash it a second time
08:05:47midlomanus version
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08:06:10midlomanok. same h300 file?
08:06:15JdGordonye
08:06:52LinusNJdGordon: that actually gives us a nice clue where the DRm key is located
08:07:18LinusNwhy didn't i think of that?
08:07:36JdGordonthats been a known problem for ages hasnt it?
08:07:54LinusNyes, but it struck me now that it is a valuable clue
08:07:59JdGordon:)
08:08:05LinusNdamn
08:08:19LinusNand i just returned my 1.04 player to the owner
08:08:47JdGordonwas there any plan to try getting drm working tho?
08:08:58LinusNyes, i once had a plan
08:09:10LinusNno, not to get drm working in rockbox
08:09:26LinusNbut to retain drm in the original fw
08:10:18JdGordonoh well...
08:10:49midlomanThanks JdGordon :) Rockbox is loading now...
08:10:55JdGordon:)
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08:11:50midlomanI used a Kosh build, no Rockbox logo show up. What is best H300 build?
08:12:08JdGordonofficial svn
08:12:20midlomanOK, thx
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08:16:09amiconnmo0ning
08:16:23tvelocitylol morning
08:16:38LinusNmooning
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08:17:08amiconnLinusN: Regarding your idea that check_registers() might confuse the lba48 logic - according to the identify data, the MK8010GAH doesn't support lba48
08:17:29amiconnBut check_registers() has given us trouble before - I wonder why
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08:18:15amiconnThe linux ata driver doesn't seem to do an equivalent of this, at least I couldn't find one.
08:18:38LinusNi'll try without it as soon as i can
08:19:07amiconnOtoh the ata specs (indirectly) describe such a procedure, in conjunction with handling a slave-only configuration
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08:55:14voltagexgetting an error in the build... something about Plugin RAM being full.
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09:07:15*amiconn discovers styles are now applied to viewvc :)
09:07:35*Bagder points to Zagor ;-)
09:07:57amiconnZagor: It seems there's now a bit too much styles: The coloured diffs are no longer red/yellow/green for indicating changes
09:08:12Bagderhehe
09:08:27Zagorthere can never be too much style! ;)
09:08:58GodEaterWebsome people are just never happy ;)
09:09:27*voltagex dances around... CUEsheets!
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09:11:30*Bagder detects that the html-zips are back
09:13:10GodEaterWebdoes anyone know if we've accepted DerPapst's patch to ipodpatcher to allow it to write .bin firmwares ?
09:13:17LinusNwhat do i have to do to build tools/ipodpatcher ?
09:13:24GodEaterWebI want to start looking at what the ipl kernel ide driver does differently to ours
09:13:35GodEaterWebLinusN: make :)
09:13:40***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
09:13:48LinusNipodio-posix.c:58: error: `IPOD_SECTORSIZE_IOCTL' undeclared (first use in this
09:13:48LinusNfunction)
09:14:02GodEaterWebLinusN: which platform is that on ?
09:14:05LinusNwindows
09:14:10GodEaterWebcygwin ?
09:14:19LinusNyes, and mingw
09:14:27GodEaterWebah - don't think we've built it on that ever
09:14:31LinusNi see
09:14:33amiconnLinusN: On cygwin you need to hack the makefile and then explicitly call 'make ipodpatcher.exe'
09:14:37GodEaterWebit compiles natively under windows (MSVC I guess)
09:15:08amiconnBagder: Speaking about colours: The build log processing script somehow lost its ability to mark warnings and errors with colours. It still finds problems and properly links to them, but the colours are gone
09:15:12*GodEaterWeb detects a race is on to see who can get rockbox's ata driver up to scratch
09:15:28GodEaterWeband I suspect I'm going to lose
09:16:04amiconnLinusN: In the makefile, remove the i586-mingw32msvc- prefixes in lines 7 and 8, and then 'make ipodpatcher.exe'
09:16:12BagderI think I can blame zagor for that too ;-)
09:17:07LinusNamiconn: thanks
09:17:13amiconnI don't know how to add cygwin detection to the Makefile. For the main build it's done in configure (i.e. a shell script)
09:17:14BagderZagor: should we perhaps refer to the www.rockbox.org style sheet instead, or should we make sure both are identical?
09:17:14GodEaterWebLinusN: does that mean the firmware-bin patch is in ?
09:17:45LinusNwhat's that? :-)
09:18:03GodEaterWebthe thing you'll need in ipodpatcher to make it write kernel.bin to the ipod's firmware partition
09:18:12GodEaterWebDerPapst submitted a patch apparently
09:18:20LinusNwhat kernel.bin?
09:18:39GodEaterWebah I assumed you were going to do the same as I, installed the ipl kernel, and debug from there
09:18:44LinusNof course not
09:18:45ZagorBagder: point to www.rb.org/styles.css instead of having a local copy
09:18:48amiconnLinusN: Hmm, it might be that you also need to add -mno-cygwin on the gcc command line
09:18:51GodEaterWebsilly me
09:18:51Bagderyeah
09:19:06Zagorah, missed your previous line :)
09:19:10GodEaterWebLinusN: so what *are* you goign to do ? :)
09:19:15amiconnDon't remember exactly, but I once succeeded to build the (new) ipodpatcher on cygwin that way, and it worked
09:19:18LinusNinstall the rockbox bootloader
09:21:02GodEaterWebI think I'll just sit quietly and observe
09:22:24GodEaterWebhave I missed something this morning? Does someone already know what the ipl kernel's ata driver is doing differently than ours ?
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09:24:39LinusNnot yet, but i have a few ideas
09:24:49GodEaterWebgoing to share ?
09:25:35Zagorno, the 5.5 port will be $50 ;)
09:25:59pondlifeHmm, we need a GPL-compliant currency
09:26:41petursome contribution ratio? get 1000 lines code for 1 line contributed ;)
09:26:47GodEaterWebhahaha
09:26:50hcsheh
09:27:11hcswith my massive codecs I'd be good to go
09:27:27GodEaterWebgiven all the investigation I did with the 80G, I may cry if someone fixes it before me
09:27:56LinusNGodEaterWeb: well, your contributions have still been very valuable
09:28:11GodEaterWebhehe - yeah - they may well just be tears of joy
09:28:18pondlifeGodEaterWeb: The race is on!
09:28:40LinusNGodEaterWeb: first of all do you remember if you removed the call to check_registers() when you experimented?
09:28:48GodEaterWebno I didn't
09:28:57GodEaterWebwhich registers does it check ?
09:29:28LinusNit writes to a few r/w registers, among them lcyl, and reads them back
09:29:33*GodEaterWeb reads the code and answers his own question
09:29:57GodEaterWebI'm not sure if it's relevant or not
09:30:06GodEaterWebbut linuxstb expressed some surprise last night when I told him
09:30:22GodEaterWebwhich is I dumped out the content of the read buffer
09:30:29GodEaterWebignoring the error state
09:30:35GodEaterWeband got back a lot of 0xdeadbeef
09:30:49GodEaterWebwhich seems to indicate the ATA read address is at least near the stack
09:31:10GodEaterWebthat may just be a curio though
09:31:13*Bagder brought the "changes since..." links back to life
09:31:43petur\o/
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09:35:30Bagderthey're just in the wrong order... for another two minutes
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09:38:59Bagderpossibly the changelog links will work as well...
09:40:03Bagderwe'll see at next commit
09:40:11pondlifeBagder: Any plans to put the build table fonts and widths back to how they used to be?
09:40:22Bagderthey're not?
09:40:49pondlifeNope, not here at least. The who column is much narrower, and the where column uses a tiny font
09:40:56pondlifeSomething stylee
09:41:07Bagderah right
09:41:13pondlifeThis is bog-standard IE6 FWIW.
09:41:19*pondlife is at work :(
09:41:56pondlifeI would have said "Compare with the since 2.5 page" but I see you've upgraded that too :)
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09:42:14Bagderwe've been tweaking the look back and forth a lot to satisfy everyone...
09:42:34pondlifeI think it was perfect before, but then I'm used to it.
09:43:04pondlifeJust need to change the menu to read "SVN builds" and put the menu back on the build page...
09:43:11pondlifebut I'm sure you already discussed those.
09:43:20tucoz_workBagder: what do you think about renaming the html-zips to html-zip or html (zip)? You have to hover or click to know that it is a zip now.
09:43:35Bagdersure!
09:43:45tucoz_worknice :)
09:44:27tucoz_worknow the gigabeat fellas need a midgey as well, to get their manual up to par with the rest
09:45:04tucoz_workmidgey == tom ross, right?
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09:45:33pondlifeOne other point (which isn't new) - the fonts page (http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=fonts) reads "Rockbox For Fonts" - shouldn't that be "Fonts for Rockbox"?
09:45:44Bagderhaha
09:45:47Bagderwell
09:46:07Bagderall the other builds are "rockbox for ..." and I just re-used the same concept for the fonts as well
09:46:13pondlife:)
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09:46:30GodEaterWebheh - nice to see my build server in the logs now without any errors
09:46:33Bagderbut yeah, one of these days I should adjsut that
09:47:24*Bagder makes sure we get a fixed URL for the html-zips as well
09:48:17Bagderstarting tomorrow or so
09:48:27tucoz_workyay!
09:48:48DataGhost*gah* I'm awake again \o/
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09:49:20*Bagder puts the blanket back on DataGhost and tucks him back to sleep
09:49:20*DataGhost burns Bagder's putting device
09:49:27DataGhosthehe
09:49:40DataGhosthm i've still got that script on
09:49:53sneakumsnow Bagder will have to play golf like the rest of us
09:50:05GodEaterWebDataGhost: Nice work last night after I went to bed ;)
09:50:12DataGhostthanks :)
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09:50:25DataGhoststill didn't work out for the fat32 partition though
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09:50:56DataGhostthe only thing i noticed (long shot) was that there are, according to the header, 64260 hidden 2048b-sectors on it
09:51:10DataGhostand the partition starts at 2048b-sector 64260
09:51:16DataGhostchanged that but it didn't help
09:51:32GodEaterWebI think the iPL fat32 driver needs some work
09:51:44DataGhostwell it's the same as the 2.4 kernel driver
09:51:47DataGhostafaik.
09:51:51DataGhostoh wait
09:51:58DataGhostno the partitioning scheme is the same
09:52:03DataGhostI never really looked at the fat32 driver
09:52:33GodEaterWebthat's what I mean - you've got the low level stuff reading the partitions now
09:52:43GodEaterWebbut the fat32 driver needs updating to the larger sector size too
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09:52:53DataGhostoh!
09:52:56DataGhostit doesn't automatically do that?
09:53:06DataGhostbecause sector size is defined in the fat32 header
09:53:20DataGhost0x0080 = 800h = 2048d
09:53:41DataGhosti dumped 50 kB 'around' the fat32 header, if you need it?
09:53:43GodEaterWebI've no idea
09:53:50GodEaterWebnot looked at the fat32 driver yet :)
09:53:57GodEaterWebI only suspect that's the problem
09:54:02DataGhosthttp://dataghost.com/stukschijf.bin it starts at 0x5000
09:54:41DataGhost0x500b - 2 bytes - Bytes per sector. A common value is 512, especially for filesystems on IDE (or compatible) disks.
09:55:28DataGhostand there's a backup at 0x8000
09:57:14DataGhostoh
09:57:15DataGhosthm
09:57:36DataGhostmaybe that needs to be changed to 512 too and the rest needs to be multiplied again
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10:01:14GodEaterWebDataGhost: check your PMs
10:01:39DataGhosthm?
10:01:46DataGhostwhere
10:01:49DataGhosti don't see any on the forum
10:01:55GodEaterWebno - in IRC :)
10:01:58DataGhostor can't i receive pms either?
10:02:03DataGhostthen i really need to register
10:02:14GodEaterWeboh, you're not registered on irc ?
10:02:23DataGhostdone
10:02:28DataGhostwell I am apparently :D
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10:02:38DataGhosti just forgot to put identify in my startup script
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10:16:00AbcminiuserIs there a reason no one's written a GIF decoder for RockBox?
10:16:57GodEaterWebare you sure there's not one in the patch tracker ?
10:17:48AbcminiuserI'd better check before I try making my own then ;)
10:18:02GodEaterWebit's always an idea
10:18:59AbcminiuserWell I do know C and I've found some whitepapers on writing your own GIF decoder
10:19:20AbcminiuserMinus the LZW decompressor, since that's patented, and wouldn't be allowed in RockBox
10:19:31crwlldidn't that patent expire some time ago
10:20:36AbcminiuserProbably, but with OS burocratic nonsense, who knows what would be allowed
10:21:13AbcminiuserWell jigger me, someone beat me to it a year ago
10:21:21AbcminiuserStill, I suppose I could work on that instead...
10:23:05ZagorAbcminiuser: we're a lot more strict about copyright than about patents. the reason is that it's almost impossible to know if /when you are violating any patents.
10:23:43Zagoralso, there are so many silly patents granted that wouldn't survive a test in court
10:23:44AbcminiuserOne would hope so - software patents are ridiculous in any case (IMO, of course)
10:24:43GodEaterWebI'm pretty sure the GIF patent expired in about 2000
10:24:59BHSPitMonkeyGIF is a dumb format
10:25:13BHSPitMonkeyweb pages look gross that have them
10:25:14LinusNmeh... sleep() hangs for me
10:25:25BHSPitMonkeyI should get some sleep() here pretty soon.
10:25:32GodEaterWebLinusN: that's cos you've not got interupts enabled
10:25:49GodEaterWebwhich is why I did all my debugging with the firmware, not the bootloader
10:25:56LinusNthey aren't enabled in the bootloader?
10:26:00GodEaterWebnope
10:26:00AbcminiuserYes, GIF is a crap format, but still, it's widely used
10:26:10LinusNGodEaterWeb: any idea why?
10:26:17AbcminiuserI'd rather PNG, but there you go...
10:26:36GodEaterWebthough the fact that you're dropping into sleep() at all means you're still getting the drive read errors
10:26:45LinusNyes i do
10:26:49GodEaterWebsince it's not called unless they fail, and the driver attempts an ata_soft_reset()
10:26:53BHSPitMonkeynot really that widely, anymore. but there are still those some morons who insist upon dressing up web pages using them...
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10:27:34ZagorBHSPitMonkey: does internet explorer display pngs normally nowadays?
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10:27:48DataGhostwb GodEaterWeb
10:27:49LinusNcould any ipod hacker explain to me why interrupts are disabled in the bootloader?
10:27:52Zagorthat's the single reason gif sticks around
10:28:21AbcminiuserHow can I grab the latest source? Seems the latest on the site is from the 9th :P
10:28:23GodEaterWebI'm not sure they're explcitily disabled
10:28:28BHSPitMonkeyZagor, how would I know?
10:28:30GodEaterWebI think no-one turns them on is all
10:28:55ZagorBHSPitMonkey: it just sounded like you were into the web arena
10:29:06BHSPitMonkeyZagor, as an end-user.
10:29:16Zagorok
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10:33:10AbcminiuserThat's odd, my source archive from december already has the GIF code in it
10:33:18AbcminiuserBut rockbox doesn't recognise GIFs
10:34:50MikachuZagor: something is wrong with svn diffs again
10:35:55Mikachumaybe someone already mentioned it
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10:42:46amiconnLinusN: My understanding is that the ipod bootloader doesn't enable interrupts in order to not confuse the apple fw
10:43:03LinusNi see
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10:43:46amiconnNot sure whether we could disable them again properly
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10:44:32amiconnBut afaik it's possible to write rockbox.bin instead of the bootloader
10:44:49amiconnDidn't try that myself yet
10:45:25GodEaterWebrockbox.ipod you mean :)
10:45:31GodEaterWeband yes - it's perfectly possible
10:45:39GodEaterWebit's what I did all the time
10:46:08GodEaterWebor you can replace the sleep calls in the bootloader with udelay() calls instead
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10:47:34LinusNGodEaterWeb: yes, i did that
10:48:02GodEaterWebbut according to amiconn that's a filthy hack and I should have birched myself for doing it :)
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10:50:33amiconnMaybe we should have a bootloader sleep() which is based on the usec timer
10:53:05BHSPitMonkeypssh, what a hack
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10:59:15crashdBHSPitMonkey: yeah, hi, welcome to the rockbox project _
10:59:24BHSPitMonkey:D
10:59:30BHSPitMonkeyno need to welcome me
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11:00:00crashdoh, i know, i was just responding sardonically to your silly comment above ;)
11:00:47BHSPitMonkeyno need to posthumously explain jokes to me, either...
11:00:59crashdwell, i didn't know wether you were 'down with it'
11:00:59crashd: )
11:01:02crashdanyway, some of us have to get to work
11:01:03crashdadieu
11:01:03BHSPitMonkeyalso, in case everyone was wondering, I'm making steady progress on my WPS! still struggling with the progress bar, though. I can't understand it!
11:01:09BHSPitMonkeyfarewell
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11:10:35linuxstb_LinusN: You can just write rockbox.ipod to your firmware partition with ipodpatcher instead of the bootloader.
11:10:52LinusNi manage fine with the bootloader
11:11:09linuxstb_OK
11:12:04linuxstb_And yes, the main reason for not enabling interrupts is to do as little as possible to the hardware in order to keep the Apple firmware happy. But once we get Rolo loading the Apple firmware, we could change the bootloader to do the same thing, if there was a need.
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11:15:06LinusNlinuxstb_: the thing is that there are timeouts and delays in the ATA driver
11:15:17linuxstb_I know...
11:16:16GodEaterWebwhich apparently never get called on other iPod targets
11:16:16amiconnLinusN: What do you think about the idea of a special bootloader sleep()
11:16:37linuxstb_Yes, we've just been lucky up to now.
11:16:40LinusNthat would at least solve the software reset timing
11:17:00GodEaterWebnot that the software reset seems to acheive much at the moment
11:17:02amiconnIt would still yield (unlike udelay), and check the usec timer every time the thread is scheduled
11:17:11amiconnIt would just not put the cpu to sleep
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11:41:48DataGhostsigh
11:41:51DataGhostthat didn't help either
11:42:00DataGhosthm wrong window
11:46:18voltagexhelp
11:46:35voltagex/usr/local/m68k/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/3.4.6/../../../../m68k-elf/bin/ld: region PLUGIN_IRAM is full (/root/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/mpegplayer/mpegplayer.elf section .ibss)
11:54:39linuxstb_voltagex: Do you have any patches applied?
11:54:51voltagexlinuxstb_: coldfire asm
11:55:07voltagexI really really want that patch
11:55:16Lynx_Will rockbox use replaygain info created by foobar2k, or is it in the wrong kind of tag?
11:55:54linuxstb_voltagex: That patch doesn't apply cleanly any more - it tries to make mpegplayer use more IRAM (fast internal RAM) than is available.
11:56:06voltagexdamn
11:56:08voltagexdamn damn damn
11:56:23linuxstb_Someone needs to optimise the IRAM usage for Coldfire targets.
11:59:26amiconnThere is no iram problem in svn mpegplayer
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12:00:18voltagexapparently that patch will increase framerates.
12:00:45luckzuh
12:00:52luckzwhat does "*PANIC*", "Stkov dircache" tell me?
12:01:22petursomebody ought to increase the stack of dircache a bit
12:01:27luckzLynx_: that is the RG info it will use
12:02:10Lynx_luckz: ok, i thought there was some problem with ape tags that are not supported or something
12:02:18luckzuh
12:02:19luckzthat is very likely
12:02:42luckzor possible
12:02:44austriancoderwhats the current state of the support for multicore targes like portalplayer based ones?
12:02:46luckzI use ID3v2 tags with foobar 0.9 - they are padded and thus just as fast to write as APE ones
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12:03:09luckzaustriancoder: afaik nothing's really multicore'd yet
12:03:49peturaustriancoder: there's a patch on the tracker
12:04:11linuxstb_austriancoder: There is a patch on the patch tracker to run a kernel on the second CPU. With this applied, mpegplayer uses the second core for video decoding, and the main core for audio.
12:04:48linuxstb_The patch also moves the codec thread to the second core, but without the big improvements we expected. That's still being investigated.
12:04:48voltagexlinuxstb_: lucky, I'm stuck with 16fps
12:05:38austriancoderlinuxstb_: #5755 ?
12:05:44linuxstb_amiconn: The part of Karim's patch which moved some of libmpeg2 into IRAM doesn't apply any more. i.e. the SVN version doesn't use IRAM for video.
12:06:51DataGhostyay, iBoy works on 5.5G 80GB :P
12:07:07linuxstb_austriancoder: Yes.
12:07:40linuxstb_DataGhost: How's your kernel patching going? Can you mount the FAT32 partition yet?
12:07:47DataGhostno I can't
12:07:55DataGhosti also tried creating a 512bsector fat32 partition
12:08:01DataGhostbut that didn't get mounted either
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12:08:22DataGhostand the apparently-working rockbox fat32 driver is still chinese to me
12:08:27DataGhostI've yet to read and understand it :)
12:10:37GodEaterWebI can't find the body of register_disk() that the ipl ide.c is calling either - so I'm no closer coming from the other direction =/
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12:12:08Bagderin the kernel?
12:12:17DataGhostdrivers/s390/block/dasd_int.h:78:#define register_disk(dd,dev,partn,ops,size) \
12:12:17DataGhostdrivers/mtd/ftl.c:86:#define register_disk(dev, drive, minors, ops, size) \
12:12:19*Bagder uses 'make TAGS
12:12:22DataGhostfs/partitions/check.c:378:void register_disk(struct gendisk *gdev, kdev_t dev, unsigned minors,
12:12:27Bagderand then M-. in emacs
12:12:29DataGhostGodEaterWeb the last one maybe?
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12:12:40Bagderfor finding functions and stuff kernel
12:12:49Bagderalthough I can't type
12:12:59DataGhostinclude/linux/blkdev.h:234:extern void register_disk(struct gendisk *dev, kdev_t first, unsigned minors, struct block_device_operations *ops, long size);
12:13:01DataGhostit's in there aswell
12:13:12DataGhostlooks more logical than the check.c one
12:13:47DataGhostat least that's where it's defined
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12:14:00DataGhostI guess the body is in check.c then
12:14:16GodEaterWebBagder - I can find the function all over the place
12:14:27GodEaterWebDataGhost: I don't think that's the right one
12:14:29Bagderhaha
12:14:35Bagderyeah, those are annoying
12:14:37GodEaterWebI can't find the check.c being included anywhere in ide.c
12:14:54DataGhostno but maybe that's the body from blkdev.h
12:15:10GodEaterWebblkdev.h isn't included either
12:15:15DataGhostI don't see any other .c with that definition
12:16:14GodEaterWebnor me
12:16:21GodEaterWebwhich is why I can't find it =/
12:16:27DataGhostheh
12:16:35DataGhostdid you get the calltrace thingy working by the way?
12:16:53GodEaterWebnope
12:17:00DataGhostit normally always works for me when I don't want it.. :P
12:17:10GodEaterWebthat toolchain .sh file you gave me the link for didn't work
12:17:14DataGhostno?
12:17:15DataGhostoh
12:17:17DataGhosttail error?
12:17:22GodEaterWebhaven't bothered looking for another one while I've been looking through the source
12:17:36DataGhostanother one will be the same
12:17:39DataGhostit's tail on your pc
12:17:40DataGhost:)
12:17:58DataGhostnano −−nonewlines −−noconvert arm<restofthefilename>
12:18:11DataGhosttail +${SKIP} ${SCRIPT} | gunzip | tar xvf -
12:18:13DataGhostchange that line to
12:18:16DataGhosttail -n+${SKIP} ${SCRIPT} | gunzip | tar xvf -
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12:18:25DataGhostand it'll work
12:18:48GodEaterWebI'll give that a try
12:18:48pixelmaBagder: I thought I had read the "since..." links on the frontpage are working - but all I get is "Not found" - was it just my imagination?
12:18:57GodEaterWebalthough I'll use vi if you don't mind ;)
12:19:13BagderI think I'll blame Zagor
12:19:17DataGhostyeah well heh
12:19:17Bagderbut I'll have a looksee
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12:19:39Lynx_luckz: ok, the older foobar versions used ape2 tags as standard, but 0.9 uses id3, so it will work with that
12:19:53GodEaterWebstill got an unexpected end of file
12:19:56ZagorBagder: that's my fault. i did a "make clean" again...
12:20:06Bagderyeah, I figured you did
12:20:09Zagorwe really need to fix that
12:20:23Bagderimo we should make the makefile use explicit files and not wildcards
12:20:31Zagoryes
12:21:08Bagderpixelma: now retry
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12:21:42pixelmaIt's working again now. Thanks!:)
12:22:03BagderZagor: maybe "cvs" in "cvs builds" in the menu ought to be changed too...
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12:22:22luckzLynx_: the newer foobar still supports ape, but there just is not much reason to use it for mp3s anymore, with ID3v2.4 with unicode and padding and all
12:22:49Lynx_luckz: yes, and it defaults to id3
12:23:20Bagderman, the www server is now almost flying
12:23:25ZagorBagder: haha, yeah
12:23:26Bagderload average: 0.12
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12:30:20GodEaterWebBagder: does the tag search thing guarantee to find the definition that's being used in the current file then ?
12:30:39Bagderit searches the pre-generated TAGS file
12:30:53Bagderand then loads the file and jumps to that point where the definition is
12:31:01Mikachuif you get more than one hit you can look at them all
12:31:09Mikachuin vim it's :tn or :tagnext i think
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12:31:37Mikachui guess emacs is something like M-x go-to-the-next-tag-please
12:31:50Bagderimo, it is a very useful way to find your way in unknown or just large-enough code bases
12:32:29GodEaterWebMikachu: probably :)
12:32:42GodEaterWebit looks like it's an inline in the armnommu sysdeps.h then
12:35:18GodEaterWebargh
12:35:30GodEaterWebbut then that makes no sense - it calls somthing else which tags can't find at all!
12:35:55linuxstb_And people complain about the Rockbox source being hard to follow...
12:36:06DataGhost:P
12:36:10DerPapstheh...
12:36:12DataGhosti'm still stuck at make TAGS
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12:36:20DataGhostmy etags won't understand - as file
12:36:23DataGhostit thinks it's an option
12:36:45DataGhostah
12:36:46DataGhost-L -
12:36:47DataGhost:)
12:36:58GodEaterWebI never complained about rockbox code being hard to follow....
12:37:10linuxstb_No, but others do.
12:37:56DataGhostw00t
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12:38:13DerPapst^ sounds like progres o.O
12:38:19DataGhostyeah
12:38:21DataGhostit worked
12:38:28DataGhostnow to get an editor which understands TAGS
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12:41:23webguest24Hello rockbox
12:41:41Bagderhello you guest of the web
12:42:11webguest24I have a question : is rockboy plugin working on H10 players?
12:42:19Bagderit does not
12:42:55webguest24oh, cause I noticed the last plugin commit and I saw keymapping for h10...
12:43:02Bagderoh
12:43:08barrywardellthey weren't for rockboy though
12:43:26webguest24http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/rockboy/rockboy.c?r1=12017&r2=12018
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12:43:35webguest24ah ok
12:43:38Bagder"elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == SANSA_E200_PAD"
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12:44:07webguest24silly me sorry, my hope was too strong :)
12:44:16Bagder:-)
12:44:26Bagderdive in and make it happen!
12:45:01webguest24I probably don't have the skills required ;)
12:45:19Bagderit is never too late to learn...
12:45:45DerPapsti have to go to a lecture :) see you then.
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12:46:10webguest24Bagder: indeed, but are the things missing hard to fix?
12:46:46GodEaterWebcurse you linux kernel - where do you hide the ata reads to get the damn MBR?!?!?!
12:47:01webguest24Bagder: for rockboy I mean
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12:48:32webguest24minor thing : is normal that in the home rockbox page, the builds section is still named CVS builds for SVN builds ? :)
12:53:01LinusNwee, no IDNF anymore
12:53:23DataGhosthm GodEaterWeb
12:53:38DataGhostif i make the kernel segfault, would it give a calltrace/
12:53:41DataGhostor just crash? :P
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12:55:37DataGhostor would that not even work in a kernel
12:55:41DataGhostmmmmmm
12:56:02webguest24LinusN: Identified Data Not Found ?
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12:56:30DataGhostnickserv ghost?
12:56:40preglow_my bloody irc shell has hung
12:56:49LinusNwebguest24: yes
12:56:53GodEaterWebgo on - what did you do ?
12:57:02preglow_it just doesn't allow logins anymore
12:57:28*GodEaterWeb waits for Linus's revelation
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12:59:49*LinusN is trying to find out what the heck he is doing
12:59:53DataGhostah
12:59:54DataGhostduh
12:59:57DataGhostI can divide by 0 :D
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13:00:06DataGhostand according to the source it'll backtrace
13:00:17DataGhostprintk("Division by zero in kernel.\n");
13:00:17DataGhost__backtrace();
13:00:23DataGhostprobably don't even need to divide
13:00:31DataGhostlooks like I can just call __backtrace() if it's included in there
13:00:47BagderLinusN: hey, we've all been trying to do that for years
13:00:55LinusN:-)
13:00:58Bagder:-P
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13:02:55DataGhostwell GodEaterWeb
13:03:01DataGhostif this works it'll prove once again
13:03:16DataGhostif you want a debugging output you don't need to search for the proper commands
13:03:20DataGhostjust break something
13:03:43Bagderhttp://www.dapreview.net/news.php?item.3841.5 <= iriver h10 used in the TV series "24"...
13:03:47GodEaterWebhehe
13:03:52Bagderto blow a bomb ;-)
13:03:58DataGhostlol
13:04:02linuxstb_I want that plugin...
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13:04:17DataGhostlinuxstb_ it's explode()
13:04:50DataGhostoh nice I didn't even have to divide by 0, it just accepts __backtrace();
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13:06:02*GodEaterWeb gives up. Clearly the force is strong with LinusN.
13:06:19DataGhostlol
13:06:21DataGhostit works
13:06:31DataGhostbut it's not giving very useful output afaik
13:06:36DataGhostlet's take some pictures
13:10:19DataGhostor there are no debugging symbols in the kernel
13:10:19DataGhost:z
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13:13:53DataGhostnow there are
13:13:55DataGhostbuilding...
13:16:21XavierGrBagder: Shouldn't the link in the front page (in the left side menu) read "Subversion builds" istead of "CVS builds"?
13:16:54DataGhostdoes anyone who needs it not understand what is actually meant?
13:17:08BagderI think I favour "commit builds" or similar
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13:18:09XavierGrBagder: yeah anything that doesn't have "CVS" in it :P
13:18:30Bagder"git builds" ? :-)
13:18:38*Bagder ducks
13:18:47DataGhost'stable builds'
13:18:48*DataGhost runs
13:19:21Genre9mp3what about "latest builds" ?
13:19:52DataGhostbah
13:19:55DataGhostit's not verbose at all
13:19:55DataGhost:(
13:20:02DataGhostsame as before
13:20:33Genre9mp3ok... how about "download-if-you-dare builds" then? :P
13:22:10preglow_wouldn't "latest builds" just do fine?
13:22:21GodEaterWebgets my vote preglow
13:22:23Genre9mp3yes... that's what I think, too
13:22:25preglow_they're the latest builds, after all...
13:22:53linuxstb_Works for me.
13:22:59GodEaterWebwe all know how democratic rockbox is though ;)
13:23:04Bagderhaha
13:23:21DataGhostbah, I think I just found the wrong backtrace
13:23:25*GodEaterWeb tries to find the archived email on the project name vote....
13:23:29DataGhostor it's because arm can't do better ones
13:23:36BagderI'll call it "DONTPRESSTHISLINK" and we can be sure everyone will go there
13:23:38LinusNGodEaterWeb: check the FAQ
13:23:41DataGhost"Function entered at [<%p>] from [<%p>]\n"
13:23:45DataGhostthat's all it'll say
13:23:49linuxstb_Bagder: Or just remove the link...
13:23:57DataGhost<%p> gets replaced with a hex address
13:24:01DataGhostnot a nice function name
13:24:07BagderDataGhost: use the System.map
13:24:14DataGhostyou know
13:24:19DataGhosti actually never thought of that
13:24:20DataGhost:P
13:24:24DataGhostthx :)
13:24:29BagderI can tell you are a kernel newbie ;-)
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13:24:34DataGhostyeah
13:24:35*LinusN has an interesting message on his LCD: "Partition 1: 0x0B 76180MB"
13:24:42DataGhostonly things I've ever hacked were a few bytes to get stuff working
13:24:46linuxstb_\o/
13:24:47Bagderwooo
13:24:53GodEaterWebnice
13:24:54preglow_woop, woop, woop!
13:24:59preglow_what was wrong?
13:25:01GodEaterWebcommit commit commit
13:25:02*linuxstb_ goes to fridge to look for sparkling wine
13:25:09GodEaterWebhahahaha
13:25:11DataGhostheh :)
13:25:15peturbeer will do ;)
13:25:15GodEaterWebthought it was Cava ? ;)
13:25:18*linuxstb_ returns disappointed
13:25:20DataGhostnow... can it actualy read the fat32 too? :P
13:25:26*preglow_ has celebratory tea...
13:25:40*Bagder considers a cup of partycoffee to join
13:25:49GodEaterWebclosest thing to celebratory fluid on my desk is a bottle of squeezy honey
13:26:00LinusNhehe, as we suspected, the disk has a logical sector size of 2048, and the drive requires us to read multiples of 4 sectors
13:26:25amiconnuh?
13:26:27linuxstb_We suspected that?
13:26:34GodEaterWebI don't recally suspecting that
13:26:35LinusNif we set NSECTORS to a non-multiple of 4, it gives us the finger via IDNF
13:26:43GodEaterWebI recall suspecting the opposite
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13:26:51*Bagder giggles
13:26:52preglow_GodEaterWeb: down it! quick!
13:26:55amiconnAfaiu this deviates from the ata spec
13:27:04GodEaterWebI must have *completely* misread the identity info
13:27:04LinusNamiconn: me too...
13:27:23linuxstb_So we need to make all the sector buffers 2048 bytes?
13:27:28GodEaterWebpreglow: even the thought of downing it makes me queasy
13:27:33*LinusN goes to lunch with an ATA spec printout
13:27:49preglow_wasn't that what slasheri's first patch did?
13:27:55amiconnThe disk does support large sectors, but the identify info says logical sector size is 256 word (512 bytes)
13:27:55preglow_turns out it was correct after all?
13:28:18*GodEaterWeb sulks at the lying info from the drive
13:29:21LinusNamiconn: yes, that's what bothers me
13:30:04amiconnpreglow: Slasheri's patch didn't make _all_ accesses multiples of 4 sectors
13:30:23DataGhostso ehh. GodEaterWeb if you need a trace somewhere, just call __backtrace() and use the System.map to search the function names
13:30:35GodEaterWebDataGhost: doesn't look like we need it no
13:30:38amiconnIt would still have stumbled in the very first read - the mbr
13:30:40GodEaterWebs/no/now
13:30:48DataGhostyeah, well.. :)
13:31:00DataGhostat least you can see how every function is called
13:31:05DataGhostif you need it
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13:31:19amiconnLinusN: Perhaps we have to set some features explicitly?
13:32:20LinusNhmmm, wait a sec
13:32:28preglow_amiconn: oh, and btw, i think i find a quick solution to make the treble/bass boost filters behave nicely
13:32:52preglow_s/find/found
13:33:03LinusNi might be wrong
13:33:03GodEaterWebis the current source tree available as a tarball yet? Or is that feature broken with the SVN server currently ?
13:33:42BagderGodEaterWeb: I haven't yet investigated why that thing fails, so no it isn't
13:33:44LinusNthe identify info says that there are 2 logical sectors per physical sector
13:34:05DataGhost:o
13:34:19amiconnLinusN: Yes, but it also says the logical sector size is 256 words, which would point to a physical sector size of 1024 bytes, not 2048
13:34:20LinusNso it might mean that i need to use multiples of 2
13:34:24GodEaterWebthat's what I understood it say too
13:34:35*GodEaterWeb agrees with amiconn
13:34:53GodEaterWebthis is where the ATA spec is unclear
13:35:01DataGhostby the way Bagder, I don't know if you read my post
13:35:09amiconnIiuc the ata specs say that you can read single logical sectors, but performance might be degraded when writing
13:35:11DataGhostbut my 'fix' clearly shows me being a kernel newbie I think
13:35:11DataGhost:P
13:35:12GodEaterWebfor unclear read "downright contradicts itself"
13:35:18LinusNamiconn: yes
13:35:54LinusNok, it is sufficient with multiples of 2
13:36:06GodEaterWebwhat a PITA
13:36:12amiconnLinusN: Maybe there is a feature we need to enable?
13:36:19LinusNperhaps
13:36:20GodEaterWebamiconn: to do what ?
13:37:26amiconnto read single logical sectors
13:38:21GodEaterWebI've read that ATA spec till my eyes have bled. I can't recall seeing sucha feature.
13:39:22GodEaterWeboh well - I can't do much without a source tree till I get home.
13:39:26GodEaterWebI'm going to lunch :)
13:39:35DataGhosthf
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13:39:45Genre9mp3Can someone please kill the damn logbot? I begin to feel logaholic... you have to help me!
13:39:59*Genre9mp3 starts reading the logs again...
13:40:07scorchei love logbot...
13:40:09Mikachui could imagine funner channel logs to read
13:40:09Bagderyou can buy our "relief from logbot" cure
13:40:12Bagderonly 99$
13:40:39Bagderand if you buy now, you also get the "scorche singing" mp3 bundled
13:40:42preglow_which is an ip block in apache? :P
13:40:58Genre9mp3oh...only $99 with scorche singing? nice offer! :)
13:41:02preglow_wait, i also sing for money!
13:41:20preglow_i actually do lots of stuff for money
13:41:24preglow_feel free to drop bids
13:41:26Bagderok, the auction is up, for 98$ you get preglow instead ;-)
13:41:30scorchei only sing odes to logbot
13:42:09preglow_for about 10$, i'll drink a fancy beer and talk about it here for an hour, how's about that
13:42:15LinusNAppendix C: "Supporting unaligned write operations is optional, but highly recommended to maintain backward compatibility with software."
13:42:47Genre9mp3preglow: Is this in hex. $ ???
13:42:52LinusNlunch time
13:43:45amiconnHow about unaligned reads?
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13:51:24GodEaterWebthere's no such thing as an unaligned read as far as ATA-7 is concerned
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13:52:29GodEaterWebAFAIU, a single logical sector read on a large physical sector device results in the device reading the whole physical sector, and only returning the part of the sector related to the logical sector requested.
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13:53:49GodEaterWebthe only reason there's a perf. hit on writing is if you try to write an unaligned logical sector, then the device first has to read the whole physical sector, replace the content of the logical sector with the content of the write request, and then re-write the whole physical sector
13:54:21GodEaterWebalthough how there's no perf. hit on an aligned logical sector I don't get - since that would imply it can write partial physical sectors anyway
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13:55:19amiconnThe point is not aligned vs. unaligned, but partial vs. complete
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13:55:37*amiconn is familiar with this concept because of his work on the Ondio MMC driver
13:55:43GodEaterWebreally? that's not the way I read it =/
13:56:07GodEaterWebstill - you're the hw guru - I bow to your greater experience :)
13:56:38amiconnMMCs have a block size which is 512bytes up to 1GB, but is 1024bytes from 1GB to 2GB, and 2048bytes from 2GB to 4GB
13:57:02DataGhosthttp://de.dataghost.com/ipl/hdparm.txt if at all useful
13:57:13DataGhosti noticed that it doens't give a 'drive conforms to' line
13:57:16amiconnBut the sectors as seen by the file system are always 512bytes, so the mmc driver has to combine on write, and split on read
13:57:27GodEaterWebhow irritating
13:57:55amiconnPartial write accesses cause the very same performance hit as described in the ata 7 specs
13:57:56GodEaterWebipl has got udma working ?!?
13:58:06DataGhostyes apparently :)
13:58:14DataGhostthat was in the identity info by the way
13:58:18DataGhostudma4 = max supported
13:58:21DataGhostand apparently it works too
13:58:41GodEaterWebI didn't think the ata dma stuff was understood for portal player
13:58:42DataGhosthelios linux # grep "conforms" /mnt/ipod/sbin/hdparm
13:58:42DataGhostBinary file /mnt/ipod/sbin/hdparm matches
13:58:43DataGhostgrrr
13:58:52DataGhostso it just doesn't conform to anything as far as hdparm is concerned
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13:59:29DataGhostDrive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-7 T13 1532D revision 0: ATA/ATAPI-1 ATA/ATAPI-2 ATA/ATAPI-3 ATA/ATAPI-4 ATA/ATAPI-5 ATA/ATAPI-6 ATA/ATAPI-7 <- that's what it says on my server's 200GB drive
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14:00:17DataGhostoh
14:00:22DataGhostlet's try hdparm -I
14:00:23DataGhost:D
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14:02:00DataGhosthttp://de.dataghost.com/ipl/hdparmI.txt
14:02:09DataGhostStandards:
14:02:09DataGhostLikely used: 6
14:02:34DataGhostso it's quite unclear, heh
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14:03:00GodEaterWebstill pretty sure it was uses 7 myself
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14:03:31DataGhostwell hdparm just guesses afaik
14:03:43DataGhostsince the drive doesn't return a standard
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14:10:35robin0800whois badger
14:10:43Mikachutwo errors there
14:11:04robin0800who is badger
14:11:19Mikachuyou don't mean /whois Bagder ?
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14:11:36DataGhost[INFO] 1 64260 156301487 305150.8 W95 FAT32 (0x0b)
14:11:39scorchea swell fellow?
14:11:41DataGhostthere's still something wrong though :D
14:11:48*GodEaterWeb is amazed at the number of people who can't spell Bagder
14:11:54DataGhost305 MB? heh.
14:11:57DataGhostGB*
14:12:06Bagderyay! ;-)
14:12:09Bagderlaaarge disk
14:12:13DataGhosthehe
14:12:18DataGhostwell I did edit that manually
14:12:27DataGhostand since I did that I can create partitions this big with fdisk? :o
14:12:31DataGhostbefore I couldn't
14:13:19GodEaterWebI'd got back to an un-hacked MBR if I were you ;)
14:13:26DataGhostyeah well :P
14:13:54DataGhostI can neither read fat32 nor boot apple OS at the moment
14:13:57DataGhostso that's not very important :P
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14:14:12DataGhostlinux seems to have no problem mounting my fat32 partition though
14:14:21DataGhostbut that's probably because the size is defined in the header
14:14:25GwaiLoHi, I've been looking through the website and while I can find references to say the 2nd gen nano isn't currently supported, I'm struggling to find any info on whether support is being worked on, and if so, how far along it is ... anyone who can point me to the right page, it would be most appreciated :)
14:14:46GodEaterWebGwaiLo: it's not being worked on at all as ar as I nkow
14:14:52GodEaterWebs/nkow/know
14:15:26GwaiLoGodEaterWeb: thanks :)
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14:18:46Lynx_GwaiLo: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0
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14:32:02DataGhostnow.. what to make for lunch
14:32:06DataGhostbrb :)
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14:38:08BagderDataGhost: btw, print_fn_descriptor_symbol() might be interesing for you
14:38:24Bagderat least there's such a beast in 2.6
14:38:30DataGhost:)
14:38:44BagderI can't remember what 2.4 was like ;-)
14:38:52DataGhosthelios linux # grep -nRi "print_fn_desc" *
14:38:52DataGhosthelios linux #
14:38:54DataGhostnot like that
14:38:56DataGhostheh
14:40:04preglow_why run 2.4?
14:40:12GodEaterWebthat's wot iPL is based on
14:40:14GodEaterWebeek
14:40:15BagderIPL is 2.4
14:40:16GodEaterWebI mean what
14:40:17preglow_roit, roit
14:40:19DataGhost:)
14:40:36Mikachuhardyharhar
14:40:39Bagderbut no, 2.4 is generally frowned upon by the powers that be
14:41:02Bagderlike the arm kernel guys
14:41:12GodEaterWebin the same way that I'm sure 2.6 will be once 2.8 is out there
14:41:19Bagderindeed
14:41:24preglow_i frown on linux in its entirety
14:41:33*preglow_ wants more preemptibility
14:41:36Mikachuturn that frown upside down
14:41:41GodEaterWebmore?
14:41:50Mikachudid you try -rt? (i haven't)
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14:41:54preglow_working with low-latency sound on a stock linux kernel is... interesting
14:42:06preglow_Mikachu: yes, and it works lovely
14:42:12preglow_not lets stuff that patch in mainline, and quick!
14:42:12GodEaterWebthis is *with* the preemptible kernel ?
14:42:41preglow_there was a story a couple of months ago about linux going to include ingo molnars rt patch
14:42:44Mikachuaren't they going to merge -rt soon? or did i dream that
14:42:52preglow_even interviewed them, but somehow, it didn't seem to happen
14:42:57preglow_the patch is just as big now as it ever was
14:42:58GodEaterWebrt = realtime ?
14:43:00preglow_yea
14:43:01DataGhostyes
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14:43:44Mikachuhe still releases a new -rt like every day, so maybe there are still some issues to work out
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14:44:00preglow_that patch must be a nightmare to maintain
14:44:04preglow_but it's a worthy effort
14:44:18preglow_maybe i should give the rt kernel a stab again
14:44:35preglow_i just need to figure out how the hell to make the nvidia driver work with custom kernels
14:44:44Mikachui just run "make install"
14:44:48Mikachuit seems to work fine
14:45:04preglow_didn't here
14:45:11preglow_had to revert to the opensource nvidia driver
14:45:13preglow_which is shite
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14:45:14Mikachui just have -ck, maybe it's less invasive
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14:45:31DataGhosthttp://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/07jan/uf009907.gif
14:45:32DataGhosthaha
14:45:40*GodEaterWeb uses the i810 intel driver which is both OS and lovely
14:45:48preglow_Mikachu: oh, by far
14:45:58Mikachui meant maybe that's why, it obviously is
14:46:04preglow_Mikachu: i think it doesn't really work nearly as good either
14:46:21GodEaterWebDataGhost: hehehehe - nice
14:46:21preglow_Mikachu: who maintains that patch again?
14:46:27Mikachui'm not using it for low latency audio though
14:46:34Mikachucon kolivas
14:46:43Mikachuhe's currently absorbed by studying japanese in his spare time though
14:46:57Mikachuthat came out strange in english
14:47:03preglow_bah
14:47:07preglow_that'll keep him occupied for years
14:47:15Mikachui think he might even be in japan as we speak
14:47:24preglow_but yeah
14:47:35w1ll14m|workI was thinking, isn't it opssible to shutdown the whole LC
14:47:38preglow_low-latency audio is an area linux just can't cope with
14:47:39w1ll14m|workD controller
14:47:56w1ll14m|workafter an specified amount of time ofcourse
14:48:05preglow_especially using jack
14:48:11Mikachuit's not designed for it, so no big surprise
14:48:22preglow_no, it's bloody designed for servers
14:48:26Mikachuw1ll14m|work: for what target?
14:48:33w1ll14m|workipod 5g
14:48:54Mikachusomeone told me the nano uses the same one as the h300, so i tried porting the lcd shutdown code from there, but failed miserably
14:48:57w1ll14m|worki think it saves a lot of battery
14:49:26Mikachui don't know if the 5g is known in that area
14:49:51Bagderpreglow: linux runs very fine in looooads of embedded stuff
14:49:56w1ll14m|workalso the shutdown cleares screen and then shutdown (else you have those strange dots at LCD)
14:50:03Bagderwhatever it "was designed for"
14:50:21preglow_Bagder: sure, but it needs to be patched quite heavily for reliable realtime stuff
14:50:38Bagderwell, "realtime" by your very strict requirements perhaps
14:50:45Bagdernot for the everyday realtime uses
14:50:46preglow_well, i have no choice but require it strict
14:50:50w1ll14m|workbrb
14:50:59preglow_if you're gonna use a computer for audio, it needs to not glitch
14:51:12Bagderit depends on what audio
14:51:35preglow_sure
14:51:38Mikachuat a live concert it would be quite important
14:51:43Bagderlike the settop guys use linux fine
14:52:19preglow_but if you're using it to decode 32 speaker's worth of realtime audio, you really don't want it to glitch at anything but trivial volume
14:52:23preglow_speakers even
14:52:45Bagderhah, then I would say using linux is the wrong choice
14:52:53preglow_haha
14:52:54preglow_and i might agree
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14:53:04Mikachuwhat would you use?
14:53:07preglow_though ingo's patch does seem to work fine
14:53:10Bagdersomething more RTOS-like
14:53:15DataGhostqnx
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14:53:21preglow_you don't need it that hard
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14:53:24preglow_windows works just fine, for example
14:53:28DataGhostbeos would be nice if it were still developed
14:53:31GodEaterWebI was going to suggest QNX as well
14:53:43DataGhosttoo bad they never did that
14:53:49DataGhostbooting under 30 secs on a p1 133
14:53:55DataGhostand decoding 2 mp3s at the same time!!!1
14:53:56DataGhost:P
14:54:11DataGhostyou could only imagine doing that on windows
14:54:14preglow_would that like leavy time for _anything_ on a p1 133? :-)
14:54:25preglow_i remember my p1 75 barely being able to decode an mp3
14:54:37Mikachui played an mp3 on a 25mhz 486sx
14:54:46GodEaterWebmust have sounded good
14:54:47GodEaterWeb:)
14:54:49DataGhost:P
14:54:50Mikachu(at 8 bits, 11khz, mono)
14:54:51DataGhost1kbps
14:54:53DataGhostah
14:55:05Mikachutook like one minute to register i pressed the stop button
14:55:11DataGhosthehehe
14:55:13preglow_but anyway
14:55:18preglow_windows works just fine for that kind of work
14:55:24preglow_and it's not exactly a hard-realtime os
14:55:50DataGhostbeh.. can't wait until saturday
14:55:58DataGhost1160GBs of storage coming my way \o/
14:56:00preglow_they say macs work great for sound, too
14:56:11preglow_too bad i'm not willing to pay through my nose for one
14:56:19DataGhosthehe
14:56:27DataGhostwell in the benelux, you can buy crisps
14:56:28GodEaterWebwould that not implay *BSD would be equally good ?
14:56:37DataGhostand in those bags you'll find a code
14:56:39preglow_GodEaterWeb: not really, no
14:56:44DataGhostyou can enter that on a website, play a game
14:56:44GodEaterWebno /
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14:56:47preglow_GodEaterWeb: it's not like mac os x is untweaked bsd
14:56:48DataGhostand if you win you get a macbook
14:56:53GodEaterWebtrue true
14:56:55DataGhostso you don't have to pay :P
14:56:56kajupa@find warren zevon
14:57:04Mikachuuh
14:57:04preglow_kajupa: what the hell is up with you people
14:57:17Mikachuwho are "you people"?
14:57:21kajupawhat am I doing wrong?
14:57:29preglow_people who join just to spam bot commands
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14:57:42kajupai'm not spamming
14:57:46kajupaI'm looking for a song
14:57:53Mikachuthis is freenode
14:57:54preglow_in #rockbox ?
14:57:58DataGhosthehe
14:58:06DataGhostdd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp
14:58:06DataGhostnow there's a song
14:58:14kajupacan't I find any songs here?
14:58:18DataGhostno, lol
14:58:21DataGhostthis is not a warez-channel
14:58:22kajupawhy not?
14:58:27DataGhostat least..
14:58:28DataGhost:P
14:58:32DataGhostlast time i checked
14:58:41kajupai'm not that familiar with IRC
14:58:48kajupacan you tell where to go then?
14:58:50Bagderkajupa: this channel is about Rockbox
14:58:52GodEaterWebnot unless rockbox counts as warez now ;)
14:58:54DataGhosti'm familiar enough to tell you you're not in the right place
14:59:01DataGhostand nobody will tell you where to go
14:59:03DataGhostit's illegal
14:59:07kajupaok, thx for the information
14:59:14Mikachuwe can tell you to go away
14:59:14DataGhostif you want to find a song
14:59:18DataGhostgo to the local record store
14:59:20DataGhostbuy the cd
14:59:25kajupaas if you're never doing something illegal ;-)
14:59:35Bagderno we don't
14:59:37Mikachunot on publically logged channels! :)
14:59:42DataGhosthehe
14:59:48Bagderwe are all saints
14:59:58DataGhostthe FBI watches this channel by the way
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15:00:02*GodEaterWeb polishes his halo
15:00:06kajupaoh, hy to the feds
15:00:22kajupai came here because I saw something on this website
15:00:24DataGhostthey've found your IP
15:00:25kajupahttp://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-04/0511.shtml
15:00:33*Mikachu polishes his HELO and connects to a pop3 server
15:00:34DataGhostit's 127.232.10.53
15:00:38kajupathe song I was looking for was mentioned on this site
15:00:39DataGhostping it and see for yourself
15:00:48kajupaso I thought I could find it here
15:00:58Bagderkajupa: this is not a site
15:01:07DataGhostso. the song was mentioned in a mailing list almost 3 years ago
15:01:18DataGhostlisting the contents of somebody's harddrive
15:01:19DataGhostlol.
15:01:51DataGhostperhaps more interesting than getting fat32 to work on 5.5G 80GB is
15:02:02DataGhosthow the heck do people end up here searching for a song, based on that e-mail
15:02:03GodEaterWebno it's not
15:02:08kajupai couldn't find the song anywhere else
15:02:11GodEaterWebthat's WAY more interesting
15:02:17kajupanot even on I-Tunes
15:02:17DataGhosthehe
15:02:24kajupaso if I can't find it the legal way ...
15:02:34DataGhostkajupa as far as it's not clear yet, you will most definitely NOT find it in here
15:02:44kajupaok, that's clear to me now
15:02:52kajupaI just wanted to explain how I ended up here
15:02:55DataGhostgoogle for the artist, go to his website and buy the album from there? or amazon or whatever
15:03:01kajupaand I still hope someone could redirect me
15:03:07DataGhostI just did.
15:03:18kajupabeen there, done that, couldn't find it
15:04:00preglow_woop, shell's back
15:04:01preglow_bye
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15:04:11preglowwoop, woop
15:04:15GodEaterWebhttp://music.allofmp3.com/search.shtml?search=warren+zevon&x=0&y=0&sg=1&sa=1&ss=1&result=ON&range=all&searchaud=yes&rezult=ON
15:04:20Mikachuwb preglow
15:04:21DataGhoststrange indeed
15:04:30DataGhostmaybe you need to have your eyes checked kajupa
15:04:41DataGhosti just found it on amazon at the same time GodEaterWeb found it somewhere else
15:05:09GodEaterWebI charge $50 per google I do on behalf of someone else
15:05:14GodEaterWebyou can paypal it to me
15:05:17DataGhost:P
15:05:28DataGhostand you made a typo
15:05:30DataGhostso you had to google again
15:06:19kajupaok, thx for the help
15:06:28Bagdermidgey34 is now a rockbox committer
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15:07:37Genre9mp3Bagder: how many svn commiters so far?
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15:08:06Mikachuso midgey34 is the 34th?
15:08:08Genre9mp3and IIRC we had 64 before the switch?
15:08:25Bagder66 even
15:08:26pondlifeBagder: Don't know if you noticed, but the new SVN build changes link isn't quite working...
15:08:34BagderI noticed
15:08:46BagderI did a little fix now so we'll see again at next commit
15:08:53pondlifeThanks
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15:09:39Bagderwhich I think messed up my script
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15:11:56w1ll14m|workdataghost, which crisps are you taliking about ??
15:11:58*Bagder hands robin0800 a '/' as he seems to miss that a lot
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15:13:17DataGhostw1ll14m|away lay's
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15:14:05w1ll14m|workDataghost: is that true, hmmmm then ll have to eat more crisps because i didn't know that ;)
15:14:10amiconndebauched_sloth: Your DRMODE_SOLID optimisation for gigabeat is buggy
15:14:12DataGhosthehe
15:14:18amiconnIt actually works like DRMODE_FG
15:14:26DataGhostwell, the top 4 players get a laptop every day
15:14:29w1ll14m|workDataGhost: where are you from ?
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15:14:40debauched_slothamiconn: I know, just checked in a fix. will move to all targets in a bit
15:14:41DataGhostand a 5th laptop is given out to someone else, random
15:14:47DataGhostevery day january/februari
15:14:53w1ll14m|workDataGhost:ok
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15:14:57amiconn...and I don't understand why (1) only DRMODE_SOLID is (supposed to be) optimised
15:14:57DataGhosti'm from NL
15:15:02DataGhostOss
15:15:05DataGhost:)
15:15:05w1ll14m|workDataGhost whaha me to ;)
15:15:12amiconn...and all other 16-bit-LCD arm targets could profit as well
15:15:12DataGhostOss too? or NL :P
15:15:17w1ll14m|workNL ;)
15:15:20DataGhostah :)
15:15:22markunDataGhost: I lived in Tilburg all my life
15:15:31debauched_slothamiconn: I pulled a log of all the draws and that was, BY FAR, the one used most often
15:15:33*amiconn thinks about changing the structure of this opt a little, and add coldfire asm code too
15:16:14debauched_slothI redid it in C and merged the code a bit, added a couple of more drawmodes
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15:16:48w1ll14m|workDataghost:Oss?
15:17:07debauched_slothI may go back and redo the assembler, if I think there is win there - it might be interesting to see what pipelineing the function / unrolling would do for ARM
15:17:13DataGhostyes
15:17:25w1ll14m|workWhat's Oss?
15:17:32Plouj-is there a text based version of the manual for viewing in rockbox?
15:17:49DataGhostlol
15:17:51DataGhostit's a city
15:17:54DataGhostnear den bosch :)
15:18:05w1ll14m|workok, never ehard of it ;)
15:18:10Mikachudo all people in Oss use OSS software?
15:18:20w1ll14m|workwhahahha don't think so ;)
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15:19:42DataGhosthehe
15:19:57w1ll14m|workDataGhost, i live in schoorl
15:20:12w1ll14m|workit's a dead and small village in the netherlands ;)
15:20:38DataGhostyeah I've been there once
15:20:46DataGhostwith my grandparents -_-
15:20:47w1ll14m|workYeah you did ?
15:20:51w1ll14m|workwhahaha ;)
15:21:23w1ll14m|workin the summer there are much tourists mostly german
15:21:34w1ll14m|workand in the winters, it's just dead
15:21:46Mikachugerman tourists are everywhere :(
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15:21:56w1ll14m|workwhahahha ;) just like a virus....
15:22:01w1ll14m|workjkin :)
15:22:04amiconnMikachu: What is "Software Software"?
15:22:15DataGhosthehe
15:22:20Mikachuamiconn: i realized that after i typed it :)
15:22:28Mikachubut OS software and just OSS would have been less clear
15:23:08*Mikachu gives amiconn some readonly cdrom discs
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15:23:19w1ll14m|workMikachu: in the summer schoorl has three times as much people walking around then in the winter
15:23:23w1ll14m|works
15:23:29Mikachudo they go to summer school?
15:23:50w1ll14m|workMikachu:schoorl is the village i live :)
15:24:14w1ll14m|workit's in the netherlands.... and i don't think they came to schoorl for any schools
15:24:37Mikachui know, i was just making another bad pun
15:25:10w1ll14m|workthought so ;)
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15:27:32w1ll14m|workthey say dutch is a german language, i think not.... i think german is a dutch language :)
15:27:49w1ll14m|worklol
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15:29:34w1ll14m|workrockbox + heavy eq configuration + http://www.stoneaudio.co.uk/resources/products/image1/sonyMDREX90LP.jpg is a SUPER combo :)
15:29:57w1ll14m|workdamn, i love this sound quality!
15:30:09luckzeq & sound quality?
15:30:22w1ll14m|workluckz: yeah :)
15:30:34preglowdon't dare badmouth my eq
15:30:43w1ll14m|workwhahhaha
15:30:44preglowit massages the sound to loveliness
15:31:00w1ll14m|workpreglow: did you wrote the eq
15:31:02w1ll14m|work?
15:32:24*DataGhost stops dev-attempting
15:32:33DataGhosthave to get some medicine for my rabbit in a bit
15:32:47w1ll14m|workDataGhost: why ?
15:32:53DataGhostbecause he needs it
15:33:01DataGhostgod. i'll need to go through nijmegen
15:33:11DataGhostwith that 3-lane-roundabout without any markings etc
15:33:15luckzwhat's wrong with nijmegen?
15:33:15luckzah.
15:33:18DataGhostheh
15:33:21luckzno markings?
15:33:23w1ll14m|workDataGhost:Okay, your lucky that you still have your rabbit :) a lot was stolen for christmas diner
15:33:28DataGhostlast time I went there i needed to go left
15:33:30DataGhostso 3/4 around
15:34:14luckzDataGhost: I'm still weirdened out for life by .NL employing *green* lines to seperate opposing lanes in places
15:34:32DataGhostoh
15:34:35DataGhostthat's to indicate the speed
15:34:38DataGhostnot my decision
15:34:41DataGhost!! :P
15:34:46w1ll14m|workheheheh
15:35:12luckzto indicate *speed*?
15:35:19luckzI need that explained.
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15:35:34luckzI also need preglow to explain how to 'massage sound to loveliness' using the rockbox EQ
15:35:37w1ll14m|worklukz:in the netherlands there is a speed limit
15:35:49luckzI know they have a speed limit, every country does ;)
15:36:23w1ll14m|workluckz: just jkin ;)
15:36:51luckzwell, despite having a speed limit and huge fines for crossing that when caught, some people still got themselves killed in NL a few days ago driving 190
15:36:53DataGhostwell luckz
15:36:53DataGhosthttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&sll=47.15984,7.910156&sspn=57.369644,102.919922&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=51.84215,5.859479&spn=0.001591,0.003141&t=k&om=1
15:36:56DataGhostthat is one like it
15:36:56luckznot even on some highway or anything
15:37:02DataGhostbut not the one I had back then I think
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15:38:04tucoz_workI came to think of something. What do you think about rockbox applying for SoC?
15:38:12DataGhosthttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=19&ll=51.824869,5.791852&spn=0.001591,0.003141&t=k that one, most definitely
15:38:17tucoz_workTo fix some outstanding issues (not sure what though)
15:38:18luckzSoC?
15:38:23tucoz_workSummer of Code
15:38:28linuxstb_tucoz_work: It's been mentioned before. Do you know when applications open?
15:38:48DataGhostnormally it's way more crowded around there luckz :P
15:38:52linuxstb_I think the problem is that we need to find mentors.
15:39:07tucoz_worknot sure. i know it's been mentioned before, just wanted to bring it up in time to consider it
15:39:38tucoz_workgoogle doesn't provide us with mentors? bleeh ;)
15:40:05tucoz_worka wmv decoder could be a valid task
15:40:15tucoz_worka fixed point one
15:40:18linuxstb_Not wma?
15:40:21tucoz_workwma
15:40:22tucoz_worksorry
15:40:29DataGhosthehe
15:40:59linuxstb_Similarly, a better decoder for AAC - e.g. a fixed-point version of the one written for ffmpeg last summer in SoC.
15:41:15linuxstb_Or someone to hack the 2nd Gen Nano's encryption...
15:41:18tucoz_workhehe
15:41:27linuxstb_Or the Zune...
15:41:52*debauched_sloth wonders how Eric Schmidt, Google CEO and Apple board member, is going to like a SoC application for a better AAC decoder
15:41:58tucoz_workwould be fun if it was microsoft that hosted the SoC, and we applied for 'hack the Zune'
15:42:15w1ll14m|workDataghost:http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=schoorl,+netherlands&sll=51.84215,5.859479&sspn=0.004826,0.010718&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=52.711187,4.697693&spn=0.001196,0.004463&t=h&om=1
15:42:26w1ll14m|workmy naberhood :)
15:42:32w1ll14m|worknaberhood
15:42:46w1ll14m|worklol
15:42:50DataGhost:)
15:42:53DataGhostanyway i have to go now
15:42:58DataGhostbb in an hour~~
15:43:00w1ll14m|workwell cya later :)
15:43:01DataGhost:w
15:43:06luckzbye
15:46:21DataGhosttime machine!!!!!!!111
15:46:42DataGhostabout the moment I got in the car, my phone screamed to get some attention
15:46:52DataGhostthey're out of stock apparently
15:46:56DataGhostso I'll have to try again tomorrow
15:47:08amiconndebauched_sloth: The way it's implemented now, it would work for all 16bit lcd targets
15:47:50amiconnHmm, case DRMODE_INVERSEVID is a bit ambiguous to read
15:48:11amiconnDRMODE_INVERSEVID isn't a drawmode of its own, it's a modifier for the others
15:48:12debauched_slothamiconn: yes it will, and yes I will merge across
15:48:15tucoz_workdoesn't look like the SoC 07 pages are up yet
15:48:35amiconnEffectively there are 8 possible draw modes
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15:49:04tucoz_worki would think that rockbox would have a fair chance of being accepted as a mentoring org. though (as long as we have mentors)
15:49:12amiconnDRMODE_SOLID, DRMODE_FG, DRMODE_BG, DRMODE_COMPLEMENT, and these 4 or'ed with DRMODE_INVERSEVID
15:49:32tucoz_workhttp://code.google.com/soc/
15:49:58debauched_slothamiconn: good catch, that should be DR_SOLID|DRMODE_INVERSVID
15:50:13amiconnyes
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15:55:16Genre9mp3tucoz: http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=56563&topic=10444
15:57:12tucoz_workthanks. although i could never be a mentor for this, it doesn't look too tedious
15:57:59Genre9mp3sounds interesting project though
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15:58:52tucoz_workyes. i think it's worth considering at least.
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16:02:55preglownaberhood <- word of the day
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16:07:35amiconnBagder: Change links in th ebuild table don't wok properly
16:08:04Bagderoh weird
16:08:38Mikachuand some image links point to build. instead of www.
16:08:41amiconnOh, and the rockbox logo in the side menu in the change pages seems to not exist on the server
16:09:37Juice^howdy
16:09:47linuxstb_Bagder: Will you be changing the builds to be identified by revision number, instead of (or as well as) the date?
16:09:58Bagderthat's the plan, yes
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16:12:27Bagderok, log output adjusted once again
16:12:41BagderI had forgot the -v for svn log
16:13:13sudeephi guys.. I know rockbox is open source, can I use the source for another similar open source project? do I need permission from any person(s)?
16:13:37FebsRockbox is licensed under the GPL.
16:13:45linuxstbYou have permission in the GPL...
16:14:08sudeepSo I can use the source for any other project?
16:14:20linuxstbWhat license is used for your other project?
16:14:29Bagderif you just adhere to the licence you can use it for anything
16:14:51sudeepIt will be open source, not decided on a license yet. If it is GPL?
16:15:51FebsIf it is GPL, there is no problem. If it is not GPL, it needs to be GPL compatible.
16:16:05w1ll14m|workpreglow: my english is little bad ;)
16:16:22FebsFor example, if the license you choose imposes restrictions that are impermissible under the GPL, then you cannot use GPL-licensed code.
16:17:05linuxstbsudeep: What's your project?
16:17:14DataGhostFebs MS EULA :P
16:17:31Febs:)
16:18:11sudeepbasically a custom made mp3 player :)
16:18:32Febsbluebrother: are you around?
16:18:35sudeepmore than an mp3 player rather.
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16:20:32linuxstbNot all of Rockbox is GPL'd code though...
16:20:38DataGhosthe's gone already
16:20:50DataGhostI guess he just invented a laptop with an mp3 decoder
16:20:51DataGhostnot sure though
16:20:52DataGhost:P
16:21:41w1ll14m|worklinuxstb: if it's not GPL'd which license is used then ?
16:22:27amiconnw1ll14m|away: A certain percentage of the german highways (autobahn) doesn't have a speed limit...
16:23:05DataGhostah that was stupid
16:23:14DataGhosti added my AIM thingy to my rockbox profile
16:23:20DataGhostand I just figured out that anyone can contact me
16:23:22DataGhostheh.
16:23:54LloreanDataGhost: Yes, I'd strongly recommend against putting IM contacts in the forums especially.
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16:24:03DataGhost[16:22:57] rogerlubrique: j'ai un ipod 80GB \n et je veux linux \n dessus \n tu peu m'aider
16:24:04DataGhost...
16:24:09DataGhostin french too
16:24:16DataGhostI think he's going to babelfish that now
16:24:21DataGhostI'll remove them indeed, heh
16:25:09DataGhosti just said in french that I don't speak/read french.. heh
16:26:03w1ll14m|workamiconn: i know :) but in the netherlands al the roads have a speed limit
16:26:16DataGhostgood thing I know which roads don't
16:26:38DataGhost200km/h on a 120km/u road isn't very eh.. good for my bank account
16:26:44DataGhostkm/u = km/h
16:27:35w1ll14m|workDataGhost: hehe indeed... but that's why we have tomtom and use POI :) most of the times you can keep the bills away... ;)
16:27:40luckz16:22:29 < amiconn> w1ll14m|away: A certain percentage of the german highways (autobahn) doesn't have a speed limit... <- there is a suggested max speed, however
16:27:44DataGhost:) same yeah
16:27:54DataGhostindeed luckz
16:27:54DataGhostbut it's suggested
16:27:54DataGhostand still higher than the NL limit
16:28:02DataGhostanyway brb
16:28:03w1ll14m|workTrue
16:28:07luckzuh, isn't the NL limit 130 oftenish?
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16:28:21w1ll14m|worklukz: no, maximum is 120 km/h
16:28:25luckzoh, kay.
16:28:36luckzwell, 120 is the usualy max speed I encounter
16:28:47w1ll14m|workluckz: we often drive 170 on some roads ;)
16:28:54luckzin .nl?
16:29:03w1ll14m|workluckz:yeah mostly 120km/h roads
16:29:05luckzI thought you were pretty likely to get caught speeding
16:29:12luckzand the fines are.. high.
16:29:33luckzor so I'm told by the people who don't want me to drive too fast in NL ;p
16:29:41w1ll14m|workluckz: we have a good site which update's every day speed traps
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16:29:58linuxstbw1ll14m|work: A fair amount of Rockbox code (mainly the codecs, but other parts as well) are licensed under open source licenses with fewer restrictions than the GPL. So we can combine them with GPL'd code.
16:30:14w1ll14m|worklinuxstb: ok, just intrested :)
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16:30:48w1ll14m|workluckz: we only drive that fast when we know there are no speed traps (and that's on ways we drive everyday)
16:30:56luckz w1ll14m|work, I'm used to people in NL driving rather slowly but switching lanes every two seconds in some strange attempt to 'wiggle' through traffic faster that way
16:31:33DataGhost"I little to translate"
16:31:42DataGhost"you Na Pa a tutorial for the install"
16:31:43DataGhostrofl.
16:31:46w1ll14m|workgottsa go :) cya later :)
16:31:47luckzNa Pali?
16:31:48DataGhosthe just made it less readable
16:31:49luckzbye.
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16:31:58DataGhostn'a pas is what he means i think
16:32:00luckzwell, I suggest not to miss exits at 200 kmh.
16:32:11DataGhostbut he's trying to translate french street language through a computer :)
16:36:47kclaf2K7[16:24] (fn'DataGhost): [16:22:57] rogerlubrique: j'ai un ipod 80GB \n et je veux linux \n dessus \n tu peu m'aider = I have a 80GB ipod and want linux on it, can you help ?
16:36:59daurnimatorluckz: i do that with crowds
16:37:04daurnimator - when i've lost weight
16:37:22daurnimatori just have heaps of fun running as fast as i can through REALLY crowed places
16:37:28daurnimatorjumping through tiny gaps
16:37:35daurnimatorover strollers
16:37:36daurnimatoretc
16:38:01luckzdaurnimator: in really crowded places, you can turn around. did you try driving backwards on a highway to get back to the exit you missed?
16:38:35daurnimatorlesson: don't miss your exit
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16:39:22luckzwell, in the particular case I'm referring to I was stupidly trying to overtake somebody before the exit
16:39:26jhMikeShello
16:39:28luckzhowever, they were also driving ~180
16:39:31luckzhel-lo
16:39:45peturheya jhMikeS ;)
16:40:14jhMikeSgot a svn checkout but can't seem to access the read only cvs repository anonymous or otherwise to do a diff
16:41:10peturall versions are also in svn (iiuc)
16:41:47bluebrotherFebs: now I'm back.
16:41:49Bagderno, the cvs is no longer accessible
16:42:12Febsbluebrother: sicne your change to the manual yesterday, I can't compile the manual.
16:42:32FebsI'm using VMWare.
16:42:33jhMikeSBagder: my understanding was there was supposed to be a read only cvs for the purpose I mentioned. I asked about it and I believe you said that wouldn't be a problem.
16:42:44bluebrotherhmm. That should work ...
16:42:50Bagderyes, and it was around until this morning
16:43:03petur(european time)
16:43:08FebsI get the error: xargs: invalid option −− I
16:43:17bluebrother*argh*
16:43:36bluebrotherI just changed -i to -I to fix building on OS X.
16:43:46bluebrothermaybe your version of xargs is outdated?
16:43:48Bagderits just that people don't seem to notice properly as long as cvs keeps working
16:43:56jhMikeShmmm...isn't there a cvstosvn tool then (iirc)?
16:44:16BagderjhMikeS: why not just checkout svn and then copy all your modified files over to that repo?
16:44:27Bagderthen do svn diff like normally
16:44:30FebsI updated to the latest VMWare image just a few days ago, so if it is outdated, there will undoubtedly be others with the same problem.
16:44:55jhMikeScould do but I'm afraid of non-current files being interpreted as my changes
16:44:57bluebrothercan you try the following:
16:45:03bluebrotheropen manual/Makefile
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16:45:32FebsOne second while I open VMWare.
16:45:34BagderjhMikeS: ok, so cvs update now then...
16:45:39jhMikeSthanks
16:45:46bluebrotherchange "xargs -I {}" in lines 17 and 18 to −−replace={}"
16:46:01bluebrotherand look if that works?
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16:46:39MikachuBagder: you could do something friendlier like keep cvs running, but commit a change to configure that prints "please use svn"
16:47:00jhMikeShopefully no conflicts. I blew out the root files which contained the server info. I have a couple trees to do. Will let you know when I'm done.
16:47:07Bagderok
16:47:20Mikachujust a thought
16:47:27bluebrotherhmpf. Looks like OS X's xargs doesn't understand −−replace :(
16:48:01MikachuThis option is deprecated; use -I instead. says the manpage
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16:49:54Febsbluebrother: I get an error /bin/sh: line 1: −−replace={}: command not found
16:50:08FebsThis is what I changed line 17 to: @find * -type d \! -regex '.*\.svn.*' | −−replace={} mkdir -p $(OBJDIR)/{}
16:50:14BagderMikachu: its just that cvs alone keeps the server load pretty high and it feels good to get tid of that
16:50:57Mikachueven when nobody is using it??
16:51:09Bagderclearly many people are using it
16:51:17bluebrotherah, my bad. use −−replace (without the ={} part)
16:51:25linuxstbWhat about just disabling anonymous access?
16:51:36Mikachui guess changing the configure isn't quite enough if you just update and rebuild in the build dir
16:51:38goffatopic
16:51:40goffagrr
16:52:01bluebrotherMikachu: so OS X understands −−replace?
16:52:13Mikachuno, that was the man page for gnu grep
16:52:17Mikachubut maybe you should try -I?
16:52:42bluebrotherI'm using -I, but it seems old versions of xargs don't know that.
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16:52:55bluebrotherinstead they work fine with −−replace
16:52:58Mikachui'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do either
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16:53:02bluebrotherjust tried on my old linux box.
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16:53:12FebsStill a command not found error. Here's what I tried: @find * -type d \! -regex '.*\.svn.*' | −−replace mkdir -p $(OBJDIR)/{}
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16:53:24DataGhostthere we go
16:53:29DataGhostjob application done :)
16:53:33linuxstbMikachu: The problem is to copy a directory tree without copying the contents of any .svn directories.
16:53:34bluebrotherFebs: you need to keep the xargs after the |
16:53:47Mikachui would use something like tar c −−exclude .svn | ( cd /other/dir; tar x)
16:54:01Mikachuthat is missing a . after .svn
16:54:15Mikachuor maybe this looks nicer
16:54:20jhMikeSBagder: you turned it off again? I had one more to do :)
16:54:23Mikachutar c −−exclude .svn . | tar -C /other/dir x
16:54:35BagderjhMikeS: nope, it still runs
16:54:42jhMikeShmm
16:54:42FebsThat appears to work.
16:54:47bluebrothertry this: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/21
16:54:52Mikachuit certainly looks a lot shorter than what you have :)
16:55:25bluebrotherI think I'll need to uses find's −−exec
16:55:27Mikachudidn't you have this problem with CVS dirs too?
16:56:14Mikachuokay apparently x needs to come before -C
16:56:40jhMikeSmy fault, put in the wrong server dir :)
16:56:46Mikachuhere is a working command
16:56:59Mikachumkdir /tmp/manual; tar c −−exclude .svn . | tar x -C /tmp/manual
16:57:14Mikachu:)
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16:57:52Mikachui wouldn't be surprised if bsd tar didn't have −−exclude
16:57:56bluebrotherok, this should finally fix it: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/22
16:58:11Mikachuor you can do some crazy find command
16:58:36Mikachui've used linux around 6 years and i've only used find once or twice
16:58:39bluebrotherat least it works on my old linux box. I'll try tonight when I get home on my workstation, and if it works I'll change it
16:59:25markunthe Gigabeat now has CPU scaling
16:59:47markununfortunately we didn't figure out how to get lower than 100MHz
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17:02:41Febsbluebrother: how can I display the directory name \rockbox without causing an error?
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17:03:25bluebrotherdisplay the directory name? What exactly do you mean? In the manual?
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17:03:34Mikachuyou mean /rockbox ? :)
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17:03:45jhMikeSBagder: ok, got it. thanks
17:04:00FebsHeh. Sadly, I have to write the installation instructions for Windows users.
17:04:14bluebrotherah ... \textbackslash{}rockbox
17:04:47zylcheFebs good luck on the idiot-proofing.
17:05:03DataGhosthehe
17:05:29FebsWhat's the saying? There's no such thing as idiot-proofing because the world will always build a better idiot?
17:05:30DataGhostI just saw someone give someone else the advice to quickformat his drive, so maybe recoveryprograms would see it this time
17:05:41DataGhostthere sure are a lot of idiots on windows yeah
17:05:47DataGhost'that doesnt work, what now?'
17:05:53Mikachuthe quotient is increasing among linux users too
17:05:58DataGhosti have to admit, i couldn't help laughing
17:06:01zylcheinstalling rockbox by command line on linux rocks.
17:06:05FebsBut I am at least trying to address the more common issues.
17:06:06DataGhostyeah Mikachu.. the easier it gets..:(
17:07:00FebsFor example, I'm going back to the "ipodpatcher N -r bootpartition.bin" nomenclature instead of "[device]" because people seem to keep trying to include the brackets in the command.
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17:07:14DataGhostlol
17:07:21DataGhostI always say that too yes
17:07:30DataGhost'without the quotes!' 'without the brackets!'
17:07:40DataGhostit really amazes me sometimes
17:07:58DataGhostthank god i can use [code][/code] in some cases :)
17:08:00Mikachusays Febs who tried to run | −−replace ;)
17:08:05DataGhosthehe
17:08:06FebsLikewise, I'm expressly instructing Windows users to change to the \rockbox directory they created as their installation directory.
17:08:41DataGhostimo, such users shouldn't even deserve anything like that on their media device
17:08:54DataGhostif they can't figure out those simple things, well..
17:09:02FebsAhem: bluebrother>change "xargs -I {}" in lines 17 and 18 to −−replace={}"
17:09:18Mikachui think he meant to keep xargs :)
17:09:35Febs:)
17:09:56DataGhostoh and Febs
17:09:59DataGhostwhile you're on it
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17:10:08DataGhostremember that cd \rockbox will give totally different results than cd rockbox
17:10:09DataGhost:P
17:10:14*zylche agrees with DataGhost on the no rockbox for lamers claus.
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17:11:07GodEaterWebDataGhost: on a default windows install, running "cmd.exe" results in a C:\ prompt
17:11:21DataGhosthm? in XP you end up in your home dir
17:11:29DataGhostwhich is totally unknown to most users by the way
17:11:30zylcheand you go to the windows folder
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17:11:43DataGhostthey only know "$home\My Documents" and $home\Desktop
17:11:47*GodEaterWeb checks
17:11:54GodEaterWebdammit - you're right!
17:11:56DataGhosthehe
17:11:57zylchejust make a windows reserved filename for some rockbox needed components so they don't delete them :P
17:12:01GodEaterWebI'll get my coat
17:12:12FebsIt's irrelevant. I'm using an absolute path in the instructions. c:\rockbox
17:12:15jhMikeSFebs: I recall it as "Trying to idiot proof the world will result in a world that only an idiot can live in.", or the like but both make sense.
17:12:21DataGhostah ok
17:12:30DataGhost*cough* C:\ is hidden by default *cough* :P
17:12:31*DataGhost runs
17:12:32GodEaterWebwhich is okay so long as %HOME% is on the same drive
17:12:42zylcheno, thats the system folders DataGhost :P
17:12:48DataGhostC:\ too :)
17:12:52DataGhostyou have to click something first
17:12:53zylcheI forget.
17:12:58DataGhostyeah
17:13:07DataGhostit's usually something you click within the hour
17:13:14DataGhostthat was approx 2 years ago for me
17:13:33zylcheIs that the hour after, or the day before you try to secure windows to the best of your ability?
17:13:35DataGhostOS: Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 1 (5.1 - 2600) Installed: Sat Jan 08 17:27:49 2005 (105wks 2days 23hrs 45mins 30secs ago)
17:13:52***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
17:13:55DataGhostand I haven't had any spyware that I know of
17:13:59GodEaterWebSP1 ?
17:14:05*zylche applauds savage for its linux client..
17:14:07DataGhostreally amazes me to see what users can screw up within a month
17:14:10DataGhostyes GodEaterWeb
17:14:27DataGhosti refused to install sp2 back then, because it was said to be a little bit bad for your gaming performance
17:14:36zylcheDataGhost well, in their defence, they don't know how to operate the machine, what a firewall does and what its used for, etc
17:14:36DataGhostand eh.. well I just quit updating at all
17:14:37*GodEaterWeb hasn't noticed
17:14:51DataGhostthere's an advantage: no wga etc :)
17:15:00DataGhostdisadvantage: be careful
17:15:01zylchethere was no wga on mine either
17:15:05DataGhostbut that's not really a problem for me
17:15:27bluebrotherhmm. How about adding a cmd script to "automate" the installation a bit?
17:16:00DataGhostisn't that the same as using the installer? or doesn't rockbox have one?
17:16:10*DataGhost only familiar with ipodlinux
17:16:21bluebrotherthe installer can't install the bootloader currently
17:16:27DataGhostah ok
17:16:47DataGhostit's best without bootloader ^_^
17:17:37*zylche couldn't get the ipod automated installer to open on linux, and there were no manual instructions >.>
17:17:46zylchebut thats for another channel.
17:17:52DataGhosthm? that's odd
17:17:58zylcheindeed
17:17:59DataGhostthere is an installer but no manual instructions?
17:18:04DataGhostusually it's the other way around, heh
17:18:07zylcheyep, I blame ipodlinux.
17:18:10DataGhostlol
17:18:20zylchedidn't look too far though, someone told me about this :P
17:18:33DataGhostwell my 4G is pre-installer and there was none for my 5.5G
17:18:37DataGhostit didn't even work anyway
17:18:44DataGhostso I just did manual installs all the time
17:18:47zylche5G > 5.5G
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17:18:56GodEaterWebhow's that ?
17:18:56DataGhostin what way?
17:18:59zylche[if counting backwards]
17:19:02DataGhosthehe
17:21:38linuxstbFebs: If you want me to change the text displayed by ipodpatcher, let me know, and I'll do it for the next release.
17:22:48FebsI'm just about finished making revisions to the "installing the bootloader" section. Let's see if these revisions address some of the more common problems.
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17:22:56linuxstbFebs: Also, a similar mistake for Linux/Mac users seems to be to use /dev/sda2 instead of /dev/sda (i.e. not the whole-disk device).
17:23:20DataGhostsda2? for what?
17:23:27DataGhostor do you mean sda1?
17:23:35GodEaterWebno - head means /dev/sda
17:23:47linuxstbFor ipodpatcher. And yes, I think I meant sda1 is commonly used in error.
17:23:49GodEaterWebipodpatcher requires the disk device, not the partition device
17:24:03linuxstb(or maybe people use both...)
17:24:07GodEaterWebI've seen both
17:24:07DataGhostI guess it'll complain even GodEaterWeb
17:24:18GodEaterWebespecially on OSX
17:24:20GodEaterWebyes it does
17:24:26GodEaterWebbut then we get posts in the forum
17:24:32DataGhosthaha
17:24:36GodEaterWeb"Ipodpatcher is crap it doesn't work!"
17:24:42linuxstbWho has said that?
17:24:47linuxstb:)
17:24:49GodEaterWebI'm paraphrasing ;)
17:24:56zylcheGodEaterWeb did!
17:25:06DataGhostyou should code a button for moderators
17:25:10DataGhost[PEBKAC]
17:25:11*GodEaterWeb contributed to ipodpatcher so he's unlikely to say that
17:25:18DataGhostsays what the real problem is and closes the topic
17:25:21DataGhostall by 1 button!
17:25:22DataGhost:)
17:25:26GodEaterWebmost people wouldn't know what PEBKAC stands for
17:25:37DataGhostwell make it a hyperlink to wikipedia
17:25:37DataGhost:P
17:25:38*zylche does <.<
17:25:59GodEaterWeb you're not an idiot that posts in the forums though zylche ;)
17:26:05zylche:P
17:26:21zylche...wait, are you implying that I'm an idiot that is on irc?
17:26:23DataGhostjust a regular idiot
17:26:25GodEaterWebmost people that know what PEBKAC stands for aren't the source of those sorts of errors
17:26:25DataGhostgmta
17:26:27DataGhosthehe
17:26:40zylcheDataGhost exempt.
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17:27:44GodEaterWebit *could* just be me - but I've noticed a sharp decline in idiot ipod posts in the last couple of days
17:28:08FebsI think it's just you.
17:28:09odb|fidel_hello. is there any improvement regarding power management in rockbox (ipod) during the last weeks ? i amasking as the lastest version i was using ( maybe 2 month old) seems still to use more power then the ipod firmware, so battery time is smaller then apple firmware
17:28:12GodEaterWebhahahaha
17:28:12jhMikeSsvn diffs are always universal diff format and new files added with svn add are included in the diffs. am I correct? as I read it no options are needed for that.
17:28:22DataGhostGodEaterWeb maybe you should count PM and IM
17:28:28GodEaterWebFebs: you must be deleting them before I've seen them then ;)_
17:28:32linuxstbjhMikeS: Yes, that's what I found at least.
17:28:38DataGhostso far I have received 2 ipl-on-80GB-tutorial requests
17:28:41DataGhostone in french
17:28:42jhMikeScool, less typing :)
17:28:46Soapodb|fidel_: improvements? Yes. Is rockbox as power efficient as Apple yet? no.
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17:29:00odb|fidel_Soap: ok thx
17:29:27odb|fidel_GodEaterWeb: maybe cause its post-christmas. so many new ipod users :d
17:29:51GodEaterWebthat would surely *increase* the posts - not decrease them ?
17:29:52odb|fidel_regarding: many stupid ipod questions
17:30:02odb|fidel_uh, sorry, mis-read then
17:30:30GodEaterWeba common problem with ipod users ;)
17:30:32DataGhosthehe
17:30:35odb|fidel_hrhr
17:30:51odb|fidel_respect, nice answer :d
17:30:53Soapwhat is amazing is that ipods have 80% marketshare (at least) and only about 60% stupid-question share.
17:31:08amiconnjhMikeS: Less typing in what way
17:31:08amiconn?
17:31:13odb|fidel_from rockbox dev view ?
17:31:35*amiconn used to have a .cvsrc file with options for diff, update etc
17:31:36Genre9mp3Soap: Only 5% of that marketshare though is familiar with Rockbox... ;)
17:31:45Soapand GodEaterWeb's anti-ipod user bias is A-showing. B-rather offensive.
17:31:48odb|fidel_maybe cause many ipod users just use the default firmware. so the marketshare alone is not the important number
17:32:24GodEaterWebI count myself amongst the ipod user population
17:32:29jhMikeSamiconn: no constant specifying "-uN" or "-u" or "-dP" it looks like
17:32:32GodEaterWebso I'm hardly anti-ipod user
17:32:57GodEaterWebI'm not alone in my frustration at the repeated posts we've had about the install process
17:33:46Soapyou're not - but you are alone in your attitude.
17:33:49t-nineCan I ask for Wiki write permission here?
17:34:23GodEaterWebwhatever, I'm entitled to my opinion.
17:34:49thegeek_I think I'll agree with GodEaterWeb here
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17:35:09thegeek_it's hardly a secret that people that are "technically challenged" often get ipods
17:35:09jhMikeSwonder why I'm not showing "G" on modified files :\ where
17:35:48thegeek_I have a 80gb 5.5G myself, so no offence to people that buy ipods
17:35:54thegeek_we still have to face reality though;P
17:35:55jhMikeSthey're definitely there and patched in
17:36:10Soapof course you are entitled to your opinion. That is not what I said. I just think you often fall on the wrong side of the rude/informative fence when it comes to clueless noobs.
17:36:23t-nineare there any mods here?
17:39:05PaulJami don't think you need a mod. afaik everyone with write permission can add you to the list
17:39:23DataGhostor do you need a .mod? :P
17:39:33jhMikeSwierd svn up says it should show "G", but doesn't but svn status shows "M" by merges in the same tree...wtf
17:39:40DataGhostthegeek_ I think it's not just ipod-users but more like 'the entire population - x%'
17:39:46thegeek_hehe
17:39:47thegeek_well
17:39:48DataGhostthat are technically challenged
17:39:59DataGhostbut see something fancy and then they are like 'i MUST have that'
17:40:07thegeek_I agree that ipod-owners are generally more representative of the entire population;P
17:40:14DataGhosthehe
17:40:38DataGhostlike the 5.5G 80GB pms I got
17:40:52DataGhostactually the only thing you can do now is anything but playing music from the large fat32 partition
17:41:03DataGhostin theory it should work when you delete the fat32 partition and create a huge ext3 partition
17:41:04thegeek_;)
17:41:13DataGhostbut I don't know if that's really useful
17:41:26DataGhostit'll at least rule out any need for the original firmware :P
17:41:38DataGhosthm maybe for transferring files though
17:41:56DataGhostthe 'legacy' diskmode is limited at about 170 kB/s
17:42:14GodEaterWebI'd like to see the original firmware transfer files to an ext3 parition
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17:42:27DataGhostwell that'll work afaik
17:42:32DataGhostbut not with iTunes
17:42:33DataGhostor any fancy database
17:42:40DataGhostunless you have a 3rd party app which can build that
17:43:07DataGhostyou can still cp them on there from linux :P
17:43:17DataGhostoh it would be totally useless for windows-users
17:43:17DataGhost:P
17:43:24GodEaterWeb*you* can handle those support calls ;)
17:43:57DataGhostbut since, to my knowledge, all data on my fat32 partition is still intact
17:44:07DataGhostand that it takes about 1,5 hours to transfer all my music on it again
17:44:15DataGhostI'm not quite ready to delete it and turn it into ext3
17:44:24DataGhosthmmm
17:44:27DataGhostyou know
17:44:33DataGhosti might resize it with partition magic
17:44:42DataGhostand create a 30GB ext3 at the end of the disk
17:45:13DataGhostsounds like a plan
17:45:16thegeek_or just wait a little
17:45:17DataGhostnow where did i leave that apple firmware
17:45:19DataGhosthm?
17:45:25thegeek_my bet is that linusn will crack it pretty soon
17:45:30thegeek_and then you can have rockbox :)
17:45:37DataGhostwell we all hope he can
17:45:42DataGhostbut I'm not sure what he's trying to do
17:45:48DataGhostget the loader running or get fat32 support
17:46:05DataGhostbecause if he's working on the loader it'll be a little while longer I guess
17:46:07GodEaterWebfrom what he said I think he's already got it working
17:46:11GodEaterWebhe just needs to tidy the code up a lot
17:46:13thegeek_thou shalt not doubt linusn
17:46:15DataGhostdid? :o
17:46:19thegeek_it's from the gospel of rockbox
17:46:19DataGhosthehe
17:46:21GodEaterWebbecause he'll have done it as a quick and dirty hack just to see
17:46:22thegeek_please obey
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17:46:28DataGhostyes GodEaterWeb
17:46:34DataGhostI thought he could read the partition table from the loader
17:46:39DataGhostor I must have missed something
17:46:54GodEaterWebyep - but he hadn't bothered installing the firmware
17:47:06GodEaterWebhe was just checking that the ATA driver was doing the right thing
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17:47:27GodEaterWebwhich if he can read the MBR - then he's sure it's working
17:47:46DataGhostyeah but I can read the disk too with this kernel
17:47:48DataGhostit just doesn't understand the fat32 partition
17:47:55DataGhostext3 works fine
17:47:56GodEaterWebyou're using the iPL fat 32 driver though
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17:48:00GodEaterWebnow the rockbox one
17:48:01DataGhostyes
17:48:04FebsRegarding rude versus informative, I think that we all need to make an effort to be more of the latter and less of the former. And (1) I *definitely* include myself in that statement and (2) it *is* an effort.
17:48:05GodEaterWeb*not
17:48:08DataGhostthat's a little bit harder for me indeed :)
17:48:42DataGhostbecause, as was 'discovered' today, I'm really not that experienced with hacking the kernel
17:48:48thegeek_Febs: I kinda agree, however I think it would help a lot if we had even more "help for noobs" info more easily accessible
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17:49:03thegeek_it would relieve some of the pressure
17:49:03thegeek_P
17:49:11Soapwiki is open for business, thegeek_
17:49:34thegeek_Oh I know
17:49:36thegeek_I'm lazy though
17:49:38jhMikeSamiconn: ok, so I was retarded for not making a .cvsrc :P but typing those cvs commands got to be like breathing anyway.
17:49:41GodEaterWebnoobs don't like the wiki though
17:49:44thegeek_and I'm not so much talking about the text itself
17:49:47thegeek_more design
17:49:52thegeek_we need big glowing arrows
17:50:01thegeek_and lots of images
17:50:06thegeek_not my kinda thing
17:50:09thegeek_but I think it might help
17:51:27GodEaterWebDataGhost: I think you'll find the rockbox code tree much friendlier than the iPL kernel
17:51:34GodEaterWebit's a heck of a lot smaller for a start
17:51:58DataGhostyes, but I need to port the rockbox fat32 driver to the ipl kernel, right?
17:52:05DataGhostI have no clue if the rockbox thing will boot on my 5.5G
17:52:10GodEaterWebif you insist on running iPL then yes
17:52:17thegeek_hehe
17:52:21GodEaterWebcurrently it won't
17:52:25thegeek_I think porting it will be extremely hard;P
17:52:26GodEaterWebgive it a couple of days
17:52:39GodEaterWebyou don't really need to *port* it
17:52:47DataGhostadapt anyway :)
17:52:48GodEaterWebjust fix the fat32 iPL driver so it behaves the same
17:52:56GodEaterWebwhen confronted with big sectors
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17:53:11GodEaterWebhave you tried RB on your 4g ?
17:53:18DataGhostno
17:53:22DataGhostnever tried rb :P
17:53:25FebsI think that the solution may be to have a sticky thread (like the one that GodEater has already done) that points to the wiki. E.g., "Problem: -1 error. Solution: LinkToWiki"
17:53:29GodEaterWebyou could always try it and see if you like it :)
17:53:38t-nineokay, so can someone add me to the write list?
17:53:43DataGhostyeah indeed, but currently I'm focusing on my 5.5G
17:53:46*GodEaterWeb tried very hard not to be rude in that thread
17:53:53FebsThat way, there is a sticky thread right there in the forum, but we don't have to update information in multiple places when it changes.
17:54:19thegeekgood idea
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18:06:20DataGhostah
18:06:21DataGhostthis is nice
18:06:26DataGhostdmesg also prints backtraces :)
18:07:59DataGhostah w00t
18:08:02DataGhostmy diskmode-program also works
18:08:15DataGhostnow my iPod will boot, output dmesg to a file and then reboot to diskmode \o/
18:08:26DerPapst_heh
18:08:30DerPapst_nifty
18:08:33DataGhostyeah
18:08:43DataGhostnow i've got to write something to map the backtrace into useful function names
18:08:53DataGhostor i need to find the magic function Bagder was talking about
18:10:13Mikachuksymoops?
18:10:26DataGhostthat might even be the one I was looking for
18:10:28Mikachuyou need the System.map for the kernel it's running then
18:10:34DataGhostyes
18:10:35DataGhosteh
18:10:42DataGhostoh wait I need to copy that to the device too
18:10:46DataGhosthow will it find that
18:10:53Mikachuno you can run it on your computer
18:10:57DataGhosthowever eh.. __backtrace() doesn't even look it up
18:11:00DataGhostoh
18:11:03DataGhostksymoops will interpret it?
18:11:06DataGhostnice
18:11:17Mikachui think so... at least if it's an oops report :)
18:11:24DataGhostwell it looks like it
18:11:48Mikachuyou might need some more stuff, i've only used it once
18:11:52DataGhostFunction entered at [<000601b4>] from [<000608a4>]
18:11:53DataGhostFunction entered at [<000607a8>] from [<000607a4>]
18:11:56DataGhostetc
18:12:09DataGhostbut I can do some magic with pcre, if needed :)
18:12:34jhMikeSamiconn: what do you think about running DMA on coldfire at level 6 and setting HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL to 5 so that in certain situations DMA interrupts can be disabled? I want to coordinate certain things with DMA but not have it disabled when reading buttons and such or we know what happens. Does anything atm run level 6?
18:13:30Mikachuksymoops should translate those to symbols
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18:16:04DataGhostit's working brilliantly
18:16:06DataGhostthanks Mikachu :)
18:16:09Mikachunice
18:16:16DataGhostI can even just feed it the entire dmesg
18:16:23DataGhostit'll get the relevant pieces
18:16:28Mikachujust be sure it's not using symbols from your desktop kernel
18:16:33DataGhostno, heh
18:16:39DataGhostksymoops -m /dev/shm/linux/System.map < /mnt/ipod/dmesgoutp
18:16:40DataGhost:)
18:17:04Mikachuyou have a linux source tree in tmpfs? :)
18:17:09DataGhostyes
18:17:16DataGhostI can copy it back when I need to
18:17:31DataGhostlet's say I noticed a factor 5 speedup
18:17:34DataGhostgive or take some
18:17:38DataGhost:)
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18:17:50Mikachuhm, should theoretically be the same, since tmpfs can swap, and disk should stay in pagecache
18:18:05DataGhostwell tmpfs is in my RAM eh
18:18:09DataGhostso it needs no disk reads at all
18:18:16Mikachuyes i know
18:18:23DataGhostfrom the disk it always seems to do them
18:18:27DataGhostat least disk writes
18:18:28DataGhostquite a few
18:18:52DataGhostI don't exactly know how
18:19:07DataGhostbut I call a monofactor-experiment resulting in 11 mins from disk and 2 mins from shm
18:19:10DataGhostreproducible
18:19:17DataGhostnot an 'error'
18:19:18DataGhost:)
18:22:01DataGhostthat was on a dualcore machine by the way
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18:22:04DataGhostwith make -j3
18:22:14DataGhostbut I think it worked with 1 thread aswell
18:22:18DataGhosthi GodEater
18:22:23GodEater'lo
18:22:25GodEaterhome already
18:22:42DataGhostI just got it to backtrace anything I want, dump that to a file with dmsg and reboot automatically to diskmode
18:22:57DataGhostand when I feed it in ksymoops it's readable :)
18:23:09GodEaternice ;)
18:23:51DataGhost+e by the way
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18:31:55DataGhostMikachu
18:32:04DataGhostmake dep && make boot on an athlon 1400, from shm
18:32:12DataGhostreal 0m16.726s
18:32:12DataGhostuser 0m11.960s
18:32:12DataGhostsys 0m3.940s
18:32:12God_Eaterright - now to see if I can duplicate LinusN's success with the 80G :)
18:33:21DataGhostscreen flooding with calltraces
18:33:24DataGhoston every disk read error
18:33:25DataGhost:P
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18:35:09Nico_PGod_Eater: there's been a success with the 80G ?
18:35:15DataGhostheh
18:35:17DataGhostyes
18:35:20God_Eateryep
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18:35:32DataGhostI even made a movie with iDoom on it
18:35:39Nico_Pwow
18:35:45DataGhostand pics from podzilla
18:35:50DataGhostbut that wasn't as interesting
18:35:53GodEaterDataGhost is the real hero here :)
18:35:59DataGhost:)
18:36:01GodEaterhe made it happen :)
18:36:10Nico_Phow did it happen ?
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18:36:17GodEaterhe ran the iPL kernel successfully
18:36:20GodEaterafter he hacked it a bit
18:36:32GodEaterwhich gave us clues as to what the problem with the disk controller were
18:36:37Nico_Pnice
18:36:54GodEaterLinusN has hacked the RB bootloader a bit to confirm the problem
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18:37:04GodEaterI'm going to try and do the same
18:37:48DataGhostpff
18:37:55DataGhostthe real kernel is still very complicated
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18:38:03DataGhostI'm going to give rockbox a try, with my modified partitiontable
18:39:25DataGhostand remind me I need 5 more monitors
18:40:05GodEaterheh
18:43:13Nico_Pi just read the forum topic... so LinusN has a working ATA driver ?
18:45:47GodEaterhe has an ATA driver than can read the partition table
18:45:54GodEaterthat's the limit of what we've done so far
18:45:59Nico_Pok
18:46:13GodEaterread the irc log for more detail
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18:47:49Hdaackdahey, can any1 help me. i cant seem to run DOOM. it says missing base wad
18:48:08DataGhostthen you don't have the base wad
18:48:19Hdaackdawhich one is tht?
18:48:19LloreanHdaackda: Do you have both of the wads the instructions say it requires?
18:48:39Hdaackdai downlaoded the doom1.wad and rockdoom.wad in the .rockbox/doom directory
18:48:59LloreanAnd you're running a new enough official version of Rockbox?
18:49:01Hdaackdai also copied the doom2.wad in that directory
18:49:07Hdaackdalatest
18:49:28LloreanAre you sure you extracted it so that the plugins too are up to date?
18:49:37Hdaackdayes
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18:50:19LloreanWhat's the modified date on your doom.rock?
18:50:53Hdaackdajan 12, 2007
18:51:09LloreanAnd today, being January 16, how is that the latest?
18:51:22Hdaackdaalmost man. almost
18:51:29Llorean4 days is hardly 'almost'
18:51:36Hdaackdahas the vresion changed?
18:52:04maquisHdaackda: my suggestion is to assume that stuff has changed in the past 4 days
18:52:12LloreanHdaackda: Yes, it has.
18:52:26Hdaackdaoh ok :|
18:52:30LloreanHdaackda: In fact, on January 13th, they changed the location base wads belong TO /.rockbox/doom from the previous location, which is where your outdated on looks
18:52:41LloreanWhich is exactly why I asked which version you had
18:52:51Hdaackdaoops , sorry
18:52:53LloreanAnd I could've told you that was your cause sooner if you'd actually told me the truth about the age of your version.
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18:54:21Hdaackdabtw, any chance the rockcalendar.rock gets written for the ipod?
18:54:43DerPapst_if you do it sure
18:55:09Hdaackdai know zilch about coding and stuff. the most i can do is translate stuff from english to urdu
18:55:12LloreanThe core devs tend to work on the core.
18:55:41LloreanRight now there's a TON of more important things being worked on for iPod.
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18:55:55Hdaackdak. and is there any 3rd place where they have unofficial plugins for the rockbox (for the ipod)
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18:56:05HdaackdaLlorean: ok
18:56:34DerPapst_i don't thinks so. every rock available are somehow in svn
18:56:38DerPapst_-s
18:56:47LloreanHdaackda: Of course, it might get included sooner if Rockcalender were actually a part of Rockbox instead of entirely third party.
18:57:15Hdaackdahmm
18:57:47LloreanBut for that to happen the person has to actually submit it to the tracker.
18:59:09n1sLlorean: it's in the tracker afaik
18:59:24Lloreann1s: I just searched the tracker for "calender" and came up with nothing
18:59:32LloreanIf it is, it's not obvious to find.
18:59:48n1sbut it uses a non-standard vkeyboard that doesn't support any non lating symbols...
18:59:55spugwhat about "calendar"?
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19:00:10n1sLlorean: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760
19:00:35spugyeah, it's spelled with an A
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19:01:10LloreanApparently my spelling loses.
19:01:49n1sIt seams someone will need to make it use the standard vkeyboard at least
19:02:09LloreanThat often happens with plugin-patches.
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19:02:26LloreanThe plugin author usually only writes it to the "good enough for what I want" point and doesn't follow through for inclusion.
19:03:01linuxstbIt also uses custom menus...
19:03:29*linuxstb wonders how mazezam slipped in with custom menus...
19:03:54Lloreanlinuxstb: Who committed it?
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19:05:16linuxstb"svn log mazezam" tells me "midk"
19:05:21LloreanAh
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19:13:24DataGhostah ok
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19:13:34DataGhosti figured out how to run rockbox without loader
19:13:41DataGhostnow for my partition table :)
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19:14:45DataGhostheh, fdisk now thinks my 80GB iPod is 1,2 terabyte :)
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19:15:08DataGhoststill no partition found
19:15:17Juice^that would be a nice capacity for an mp3 player ;)
19:15:22DataGhosthehe
19:16:01DataGhostGodEater you said linus has reads working..? on rockbox or what?
19:16:23linuxstbDataGhost: IIUC, Rockbox needs patching to not do single-sector reads... It can already handle the partition table. (i.e. the opposite to the IPL kernel).
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19:16:44DataGhostoh yeah well
19:16:53DataGhostsince rockbox should support fat32..
19:17:10DataGhostat least I know how to put it on there now
19:17:51DataGhosti really hate those stupid helpdeskers on msn
19:18:04DataGhostsome guy offered me an iPod
19:18:12DataGhosti thought like.. maybe he read the forum thingies
19:18:22DataGhostso i was so stupid to reply
19:18:32DataGhost'haha jk... next question, how do i do ..... in photoshop'
19:18:36DataGhost}:|
19:18:50DerPapsthehe
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19:25:47DataGhostdinner time
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19:27:20Soaphttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8208.msg64138#new
19:27:40SoapThese people ^^ complaining of new crashes on their 4th generation iPods...
19:28:05Soap...starting with the 2007-01-13 daily build...
19:28:25SoapIs that the first daily with the new arm-optimised memcopy?
19:29:18debauched_slothSoap: people were also complaining of errors loading, when the same build but not built in SVN, worked
19:29:56debauched_slothwe had one guy here who complained of this, was supplied with a rockbox built not in SVN but from current source, it worked
19:30:06debauched_slothhave seen the same several times with the GB
19:31:17Soapnevermind, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6528 was closed on the 14th.
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19:31:30Soapso it can'
19:31:41Soapcan't be why their problems started on the 13th.
19:31:45pixelmaSoap: the frontpage says the memcopy-commit was on 13 Jan 23:57
19:32:25perl|workwondering, whats the original manufacturers opinion on the whole rockbox phenomena? has anybody ever gotten any angry letters?
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19:32:57debauched_slothI am suggesting that SVN may be throwing bad builds
19:33:07debauched_slothnot related to the ARM memcopy
19:33:08Soappixelma: ahh, the "last 4 weeks" link works now. 23:57 on the 13th. What time did the daily build for the 13th get made?
19:33:24SoapI grok what you are suggesting debauched_sloth.
19:34:00spiorfperl|work, they shouldn't be disappointed, since you still need to buy the player to put rockbox in
19:34:33pixelmaSoap: I do not know...
19:34:49debauched_slothSoap, sorry
19:35:00Soapno need to be sorry.
19:36:37perl|workspiorf well apple comes to mind, with their drm obsession
19:37:33debauched_slothIn the case of Apple, they also derive some serious revenue from iTunes. If someone is running Rockbox, they are not buying from iTunes
19:37:46perl|workexactly my point
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19:38:53blue_lizardhello all
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19:39:19*Soap was under the impression iTunes made no profit, that iTunes existed to drive hardware sales.
19:39:33blue_lizardanybody here with Xgl / Nvidia / compiz and white windows problems experiences?
19:39:35DogBoyI think that's true
19:39:42perl|worki doubt 2,000,000,000 sold tracks count as no profit
19:39:57DogBoyif there is no profit it does
19:39:59Soap2 trillion times zero still equals zero.
19:40:05DogBoythey pay record companies to do that
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19:40:24perl|work2 trilliom times 1 it is though
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19:40:47Soapbut then opritunity cost says a 1% profit is a loss, because you could have made more in a savings account.
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19:40:52blue_lizardwtf thats the wrong channel here
19:40:57blue_lizardsorry guys
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19:41:14Soapand it was a wasted investment.
19:41:18*debauched_sloth Thinks that ipods make no profits and itunes makes all the profit
19:41:38perl|workdebauched_sloth im with you on that
19:41:39*debauched_sloth Thinks the same holds true for Zunes
19:42:04debauched_slothgive away the razor, sell the blades
19:42:08perl|worki know what it takes to get your tracks on itunes and what kind of slice of the pie they take
19:42:43DogBoyyou know how much they're paying record companies for the tracks?
19:42:50Soapand overhead.
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19:43:15SoapEvery stock analyst site I'm pulling up says itunes is a loss leader and hardware is the profit machine.
19:43:27DogBoyanybody have a clue about the spec of embedded images in itunes files? spec video
19:43:42perl|workDogBoy it differes really
19:43:56perl|workabout record companues royalties
19:44:03debauched_sloththey are also selling videos up there
19:44:08DogBoyI just want an image to showup when on the ipod when video is playing on the tv
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19:44:34DogBoylike this: http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/2005/11/18/graphics/figure5.gif
19:45:31*DerPapst is confused.
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19:45:46DerPapsti can't replace the firmware from my ipod anymore
19:45:53DataGhost?
19:46:08DataGhosteven if you dd a previous image DerPapst?
19:46:14DataGhostor isn't it ipodpatcher-related?
19:46:18Soapdebauched_sloth: earning over 150$ profit on high end ipods in not giving away the razor.
19:46:31DerPapstipodpatcher says that it has written something to the firmware partition but the apple_fw has survived
19:46:38DataGhostoh
19:46:40Soapselling an average of 20 itunes tracks per ipod owner is not making money on blades.
19:46:44DataGhoststrange
19:47:18DerPapsti've used the -wfb option which has always worked for me
19:47:57SoapDogBoy: Rockbox does not currently support any sort of TV out on the iPods.
19:48:07DogBoyI know that
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19:49:52DogBoySoap: it was an off topic question
19:50:01DogBoyI figure it's a good bet someone in here knows
19:50:36debauched_slothSoap: would love to be wrong, but don't think that is their plan. If they are smart, they will track what Microsoft did and own the software. The 'software' for these boxes is tunes.
19:50:55DerPapstheh.. the apple_fw is allmighty
19:50:59debauched_slothThe margin on the HW will go away - anyone can clone the HW.
19:51:06SoapRead forbes, WSJ, any of the financial rags. They make money on the hardware, not the tunes.
19:51:12debauched_slothThe SW, as we know, can be cloned
19:51:28debauched_slothSoap: I do, and I don't think that they will long term
19:51:48Soaplike I said - the math of tunes:players sold is 20:1 You can't make a large profit on selling only 20 tracks per player.
19:52:12debauched_slothYes, but add a few videos, get people to release exclusively on itunes, you change the dynamics entirely
19:52:24debauched_slothto do that, they have to own the distribution
19:52:45debauched_slothand then they are rolling in the profit, and people cannot clone that away from them
19:52:46Soapthat's fine - your model may be correct _in the future_ but it is not the model today.
19:53:00DogBoylike microsoft I think apple's goal is to move towards that type of business model
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19:53:06debauched_slothyes
19:53:08DogBoybut I don't think they're there yet
19:53:12DogBoyby any means
19:53:13GPoolhello, is the 80gb working now?
19:53:18debauched_slothbut it means they are hostile to 3rd party firmware in any case
19:53:29debauched_slothas is microsoft
19:53:31DogBoyso they still make the bulk of their money from hardware sales
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19:53:41DerPapstGPool: no
19:53:48DerPapstnot yet
19:54:11GPoolwas there a breakthrough of some kind?
19:54:26GPoolif so can you please link me to the CVS/SVN source code
19:54:26DerPapstcheck the forum thread and you'll know
19:54:34GPoolok i will
19:54:41DerPapst:)
19:54:49DerPapst(hint: page 4)
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19:58:26DogBoydebauched_sloth: I think maybe you're right about that, it's just that in making your point you missed the difference between the way they want it to work and the way it works currently
19:59:01DogBoythey want to make more money selling content but currently don't
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20:00:12capsaicinbig props and thanks to the people getting disk access on the ipod 80GB working!! (DataGhost, GodEater, DerPapst, etc) it's only a matter of time now..
20:00:38DogBoyoh, is the 80 gig almost working
20:00:43DogBoycool
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20:01:05DogBoymy buddy had a fit when I told him about rockbox and how it wouldn't work on his 80 gig
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20:04:16GodEaterwhee - no more IDNF errors
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20:11:31efyx_Hi all :)
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20:11:36bluebrotherhi
20:13:11DataGhostwhat did you do GodEater
20:13:15efyx_I have a little problem when i want to build the UIsimulator from the svn, are there any other way to build the UIsimulator?
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20:13:38efyx_Or i need to wait for someone fix the error?
20:13:39GodEaterDataGhost: change my calls to ata_read_sectors to use a count parameter in multiples of 2
20:13:45DerPapstyay i killd teh apple_fW!!1
20:13:48DataGhost:)
20:14:03bluebrotherefyx_, what _is_ the error?
20:14:20bluebrotherand which target do you want to build it?
20:14:22efyx_bluebrother, "cc1: error: config.h: No such file or directory"
20:14:24GodEateralthough that's still not enough to get me to where LinusN is
20:15:09efyx_bluebrother, i try to build UIsimulator for an ipod Nano
20:15:24GodEaterI wonder if I have to do some magic in copy_read_sectors() too...
20:15:27*GodEater hmms a bit
20:15:49bluebrotherhmm. Building that sim works fine for me.
20:16:17bluebrotherhave you tried starting over, i.e. with a fresh build directory and newly configured?
20:17:19*DerPapst listens to some mod music on his 80GB iPod!!1 YAY
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20:17:43efyx_oops i'am sorry :'( i'am stupid i forgot to take the firmware dir
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20:17:50GodEaterDerPapst: you've gone completely ext3 ?
20:18:36DerPapstno.. just 256MB
20:18:39DataGhostwell, there is enough space on the normal partition
20:18:41DataGhostsee ^^
20:18:53GodEaterah ha
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20:18:56DataGhostDerPapst can your userland do that already or doesn't it have a music player?
20:19:40efyx_arg, no even with the firmware dir i have the same error, i'am going to try to do a fresh build...
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20:20:11DerPapsti've installed BleuLlamas awesome mikmodule to do that.
20:20:26DataGhost:P
20:20:34DerPapstbut i haven't tried mpd (for playing mp3s)
20:20:56GodEatermpd rules :)
20:21:11DerPapstheh.. its a memory hog...
20:21:13DataGhosti'm going to dump parts of the disk with dd
20:21:18DataGhosthopefully it'll work
20:21:20DataGhost:)
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20:22:00*linuxstb spots IPL talk in #rockbox and Rockbox talk in #ipodlinux and gets confused...
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20:22:08DataGhosthaha
20:22:21DerPapsthehe
20:22:41linuxstbEveryone swap channels...
20:23:34goffampd is a memory hog?
20:23:58efyx_bluebrother, works great with a "fresh build" thanks :)
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20:24:22goffaheh.. might have to add talk in #mpd for mpd too .. if i get on my soapbox :P
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20:24:36DerPapstgoffa: yes. it eats a lot of ram (yumm)
20:24:58goffahaven't really noticed that too much
20:25:05DerPapston ipods...
20:25:08DataGhosthm hm
20:25:09DataGhostas I thought
20:25:16DerPapstnot pcs ;)
20:25:16DataGhostdd seems to have no problem at all reading these things
20:25:16goffaoh.. yeah.. i could see that on an ipod
20:25:20bluebrotherefyx_, the sims are build regularly (like the svn builds), so if one doesn't build you can see that on the svn builds page.
20:25:35goffamissed the first part of the conversation
20:29:05DataGhostokay
20:29:19DataGhostdd if=/dev/hda2 of=/ddhda2.bin count=1
20:29:21DataGhostgives me
20:29:25DataGhosthttp://dataghost.com/ddhda2.bin
20:29:32DataGhostwhich is exactly the start of the fat32 partition
20:29:43DataGhostso it's not offset
20:30:09DataGhostdd command was run from inside ipodlinux
20:30:59DataGhostand when reading like I did yesterday it also starts at 0x5000, starting from sector 257000
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20:56:48GodEaterLinusNL I give up - what else did you change besides the call to ata_read_sectors to get it to return 2 sectors and not 1 ?
20:57:14GodEaterI still get a sector buffer full of nothing but 0xdeadbeef :(
20:59:46LinusNthe multisector info in the identify info is not present, so it sets multisectors to 0
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21:00:08GodEaterah
21:00:12LinusNand that makes it read 0 sectors
21:00:21LinusNi'm working on a fix for that
21:01:10LinusNi'm tryinbg to figure out how to best solve this entire logical sectors quirk
21:01:17DataGhosthehe
21:01:43DataGhostapple devs must be desparate or something
21:01:51DataGhostto code something like this
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21:02:06LinusNi think toshiba is the culprit here
21:02:22GodEaterme too
21:02:35DataGhostwell, they still had to make their firmware work :P
21:02:41LinusNtheir drive is not backwards compatible with normal desktop drives
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21:02:44DataGhostbut why would you do something like this
21:02:57DataGhostexcept for slowing down others
21:03:10LinusNlarger physical sectors can give you a performance gain
21:03:27DataGhostyes I know
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21:09:24DataGhosthm wait
21:09:26DataGhosti get it now
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21:09:31DataGhosti was thinking the other way around
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21:09:39DataGhostsounds logical now yes
21:09:40DataGhost:)
21:10:30LinusNi'm considering to treat the 2 logical sectors as one in the lower layer, simulating 1024-byte logical sectors
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21:11:10LinusNjust thinking about the implications of that
21:11:26DataGhostI'm just gonna resume my fiddling
21:11:30DataGhostI just noticed I did something stupid
21:11:35DataGhostwell, forgot something smart*
21:12:05LinusN:-)
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21:13:36DataGhostI hope I break everything now
21:13:40DataGhostthat means it worked
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21:14:43DataGhosthm
21:14:45DataGhostthat's a hang
21:14:48DataGhostlost interrupt
21:14:56*dan_a applauds the 80Gb-ers
21:14:58DataGhostdunno if it's positive or negative
21:15:22DataGhostit did happen when i expected something to happen
21:16:53DataGhostnah
21:17:03DataGhostnow it just says lost interrupt at Partition check:
21:17:19GodEaterhmm
21:17:29GodEaterhard coding multisectors to 2 didn't help much
21:17:45DataGhostI couldn't even find multisectors, or is that defined in rockbox?
21:17:57LinusNata.c
21:19:16LinusNand READ_MULTIPLE would probably not work because of that
21:19:20DataGhostso thats in rockbox
21:19:20DataGhost:)
21:19:44GodEaterdid you redfine the sector size to 1024 in disk.c ?
21:20:36*GodEater spots the reason for it not working as "not having saved the source before compiling"
21:20:42DataGhosthaha
21:21:25GodEaterso doing it like that has allowed a successful disk_init I think
21:21:39GodEaterI'm getting the 0x55 and 0xaa signature anyway
21:21:41LinusNno i didn't redefine SECTOR_SIZE
21:21:51GodEaterI didn't mean the #define
21:21:59GodEaterI meant the buffer in disk_init()
21:22:22LinusNyes, i used a 1024 byte buffer in disk.c and read 2 sectors
21:22:27GodEatersame
21:22:38GodEaterI'm using the full firmware here though
21:22:41GodEaternot just the bootloader
21:23:45GodEaterbtw - completely off topic - but the Wii's version of WarioWare is superb ;)
21:24:01*GodEater watches his g/f enjoying it immensely
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21:26:03*LinusN thinks how that sentence would sound if taken out of the context :-)
21:26:11GodEaterhehehehe
21:26:54DataGhostgoto setup_devfs;
21:26:55DataGhostewwwww
21:26:57DataGhost:P
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21:30:46KCCbahaha, that was pretty clever
21:31:05KCCalmost as clever as plugging in a USB cable with the beatMPgirl theme
21:31:17amiconnLinusN: Do you men something like the block handling in the mmc driver?
21:31:57perl|workKCC lol
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21:36:07Hans-Martinhi folks, I've got an idea for a freaky rockbox plugin in my mind and would like to know whether it might be feasible...
21:36:58amiconnLinusN: Hmm, did you complete the neccessary steps to hook up th elogic analyser to the ipod's ata port?
21:37:29Hans-Martinthe idea: use my iriver 120 as a digital guitar effect - things like reverb, distortion, chorus etc should be doable (i.e. anything that does not require a foot pedal)
21:37:33*amiconn is _really_ curious what initialisations the of does, and how it handles this logical sector stuff
21:39:01GodEaterwhat's a reasonable value to try with the mutlisectors thing, given the drive lies about it's ability ?
21:39:29GodEater16 ?
21:39:31GodEatermore ?
21:41:07LinusNamiconn: no, i stopped working on the PCB CAD
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21:41:25LinusNGodEater: i dunno
21:41:50amiconnYou can try various powers of 2 and (1) check the status return from the drive and (2) issue an IDENTIFY_DEVICE command and check whether and what setting the drive settled to
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21:42:21amiconnLinusN: Hmm, too bad :(
21:42:23GodEaterno point checking powers of 1 is there ?
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21:44:34dan_aHans-Martin: Someone has thought of it, and (I think) made a start towards it. It may be preglow or jhMikeS
21:44:36LinusNamiconn: you want me to finish it? it will take me at least a week to manufacture the PCB
21:45:08amiconnYou need a full pcb to do this?
21:45:28LinusNyes, the pitch on the ZIF is so small
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21:45:52amiconnHmm, no zif connectors to crimp onto a cable?
21:45:54LinusNsoldering 40*2 wires by hand with 0.5mm pitch is not my idea of fun
21:46:41amiconn80 pin ??
21:46:51LinusNit needs to be a passthrough
21:47:04LinusNso 2 connectors with 40 pins
21:47:55GodEaterdo you really still need to do it ?
21:48:02amiconnAh, that's the 2*
21:48:12LinusNi might still finish the project, because it can be useful for any type of ZIF cable, like LCD's and the like
21:48:21GodEatertrue
21:48:24LinusNnot just ata
21:48:35Hans-Martindan_a: thanx, that's promising! maybe the idea is not too freaky after all...
21:49:02LinusNand the silly toshiba drive has a thinner flex strip than others, so a regular flex cable is too thick
21:49:14amiconnI think observing the of's disk accesses is easier for getting a clue what it does than disassembling
21:49:34LinusNi had to carve off some of the insulation to make my cable fit in the socket
21:50:12LinusNi don't think we need to snoop the ata anymore
21:52:23amiconnHmm, I can't believe that the drive is really that silly, regarding the comment in appendix C of the ata7 specs
21:54:13midgeydoes anyone object to me committing blackjack?
21:54:56*amiconn wonders whether the ata READ_BUFFER and WRITE_BUFFER commands might be useful here
21:55:05KCC"add cpu frequency scaling to the gigabeat" ... what does this mean exactly?
21:55:27*Soap objects to midgey not doing it earlier ;)
21:55:41debauched_slothKCC: it means that we now run at 100Mhz instead of 300Mhz, most of the time, but we can boost the CPU if needed
21:55:45*midgey had class
21:55:52debauched_slothit should mean better battery life but we don't have numbers yet
21:56:03KCCis the CPU boosted automatically?
21:56:14SoapThough it doesn't add up to jack squat, I've had no issues with blackjack.
21:56:37midgeyi think the code is fairly solid
21:56:41SoapLike, no fires, minor explosions, or other such failures.
21:56:43n1sKCC: yes
21:56:47midgeyi just think i may screw up the commit
21:57:09midgeysvn commit -m "message" will commit all my local changes right?
21:57:12*pixelma still has blackjack running on her Ondio :)
21:57:19KCCahh well then thats an amazing addition then!
21:57:35KCCthank you, thank you
21:57:43fasmaiedebauched_sloth: has any of todays SVN commits on the gigabeat worked for you?
21:57:46n1smidgey: i think so, but make sure you haven't changed anything else
21:57:53KCCi had the stock toshy firmware on my 'beat for all of 10 minutes, installed rockbox, was blown away
21:57:53dan_aDoes one need to do "svn add" to tell the system about files which aren't in the archive?
21:58:06midgeydan_a: i believe so
21:58:07fasmaiedebauched_sloth: sorry, builds
21:58:27dan_amidgey: Then remember to do that :D
21:58:29fasmaieKCC: yes, rb os nice on the gigabeat
21:58:31midgeyn1s: if i want to commit lets say two files, could the command be
21:58:36fasmaieis, even
21:58:51midgeysvn commit -m message ./apps/plugins/file1 ./apps/plugins/file2
21:59:05n1syes that should do it
21:59:05midgeydan_a: already did (i think I got them all)
21:59:08bluebrothermidgey, I prefer to omit the "-m" so I get prompted with my local editor
21:59:21bluebrotherhas the advantage to see again which files I'm modifying
21:59:56amiconnmidgey: You can leave out the ./ part, just svn commit -m message apps/plugins/file1 apps/plugins/file2 does work
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22:00:50n1smost svn commands are identical to cvs (except for the svn/cvs part in the beginning) :-)
22:01:18midgeygood to know
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22:05:36midgeysuccess, i think
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22:07:15midgeyhmm, first part of the commit message got crossed off
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22:12:43SoapI just did an update and got all the blackjack.pngs
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22:15:01amiconnLinusN: One thing would still be rather interesting regarding the ipod ata - does it use dma or even udma?
22:15:46DataGhostyes
22:15:48DataGhostudma4
22:15:50DataGhoston the 80GB
22:16:03DataGhosthttp://de.dataghost.com/ipl/hdparmI.txt
22:16:17amiconnDoes the of actually _use_ it, or is it just not disabled via set_features?
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