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#rockbox log for 2007-01-19

00:00:04DerPapstmaybe something has changed after implementing support for 5.5G 30GB ipod
00:00:43linuxstb__What happens when you try to load Rockbox?
00:02:27DerPapstit just said: err: Open failed
00:02:42linuxstb__Ah, then that's unrelated to my change.
00:03:02linuxstb__All my change did was change what loader2 did after loading Rockbox into RAM.
00:03:24DerPapstoh. ok.
00:03:43DerPapsti'll do some tests tomorrow. currently i can't boot my pc because of energy fluctuations.
00:04:15DerPapst(using a notebook right now without linux)
00:05:05 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
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00:13:05LinusNi must say that scrolling in the file view is sluggish on my 5G
00:14:02Lars_Git is on my dad's 5G as well
00:14:12Lars_Gnot sluggish but the scroll wheel ratio is low
00:14:45linuxstbSlasheri is working on that.
00:15:10linuxstbI guess you're talking about your 80GB 5G though? :)
00:15:36pixelmaheh... just wanted to ask something similar
00:15:53Mikachuthe scroll wheen delta needs to be different on the various ipods because the wheels are different sizes
00:16:19amiconnI don't think the delta needs to be different
00:16:31amiconnThe problem on the G5 is that the lcd is so slow
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00:16:51amiconn...and the wheel events are throttled in order not to queue up
00:17:16amiconnOtherwise there would be significant afterscroll
00:17:58Lars_Glinuxstb: No, an older 5G not 80Gb
00:18:19Lars_Gamiconn: Makes sense
00:18:38Lars_Gat least they don't queue, that's aggravating
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00:19:35Mikachui think they should queue, but the file tree could peek ahead and see how many scrolls there are, and skip directly that many steps ahead
00:19:40LinusNlinuxstb: nah, my 5.5G is not working yet :-)
00:19:49Mikachuor to formulate more correctly, would that be a good idea?
00:20:55Lars_GI dissagree
00:21:28amiconnMikachu: Then all "clients" of the button code would need to peek ahead
00:21:41Lars_Gsince the normal user follows the screen movement and applies forward motion until the selector reaches the correct destination
00:21:43linuxstbI think the way the Apple firmware works is good - it increases the skip from 1 line, to 2, then 4, then 8 etc, depending on the speed.
00:22:04Lars_Gnormally people don't say "I need to scroll down 6 files, that's 23.4º on the scrollwheel"
00:22:08amiconnI'm not sure, maybe the wheel code could count the number of suppressed events, and when it sees an empty queue pass this number as a parameter to the event
00:22:17Lars_Glinuxstb: good idea.
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00:22:45webguest98Where can I get the Halflife game?
00:22:46amiconnThen the "client", e.g. list scrolling, could decide whether to use this parameter, and e.g. skip the appropriate number of lines
00:23:02OverandIsn't there already a patch for this?
00:23:06Overandah
00:23:11Overandsorry, hadn't read back far enouygh
00:23:14linuxstbwebguest98: You need to get a half-life WAD for Doom. Maybe ask google.
00:23:38OverandDoes the doom port support half-life?
00:23:47Overander
00:23:51Overandwow, generatio ngap there
00:23:56webguest98Where do I put the files?
00:24:00OverandI should have asid "does the quake port"
00:24:04Overandbut there isnt' a quake port, is there?
00:24:05webguest98in .rockbox/doom?
00:24:31OverandI think it goes in /Games/doom actually
00:24:38Overandbut I'm sure that's in the docs.
00:24:42linuxstbNo, it's .rockbox.doom as of about 4 days ago.
00:24:55Overandlinuxstb: ah, neat
00:24:58linuxstbAdd-ons go in (I think) .rockbox/doom/addons/
00:25:06OverandI hadn't noticed any changes i nthe changelogs recently
00:25:09webguest98thanks
00:25:24webguest98There was a change?? Do I have to update my iPod or something?
00:25:56linuxstbWhen did you install Rockbox?
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00:27:09webguest98idk
00:27:13webguest98Sunday
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00:27:39 Quit funky_ ("leaving")
00:28:01linuxstbwebguest98: It's worth updating whenever you get the chance - you just need to download a new rockbox.zip and extract it over the top of the existing files. No need to upgrade the bootloader.
00:28:23midgeyamiconn: did you see my most recent pastebin?
00:28:42webguest98Will the other files I put on myself be wiped?
00:28:56DerPapstno.
00:29:13DerPapstthe older stuff just gets overwritten
00:29:33linuxstbThe worse that can happen is that your Rockbox settings will be reset, but that only happens occasionally.
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00:33:03webguest98Where do I get Doom 2?
00:33:23webguest98Do I have to make a new folder for it and where do I put it
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00:34:08scubacoleswebguest98: search for freedoom
00:34:36LinusNregarding the long buffering times on the 5g ipod, is it because the ata is slow, or because the ata driver gets too little cpu?
00:34:38scubacoleswebguest98: and put the doom2.wad into .rockbox/doom
00:36:56amiconnLinusN: Both, I'd guess
00:38:10amiconnWe don't know how to control parameters of the ata port. Then playing mp3 already takes a good deal of cpu power, and on the G5 graphics is also quite heavy
00:38:17LinusNthe buffering is a lot faster when the music is paused
00:38:35amiconnBoth because of the high resolution and the lcd updates
00:39:34linuxstbI'm sure an asm ATA read function could help a lot though.
00:39:44amiconnOn my mini G2 I can play mp3 with all 5 eq bands enabled, and a peakmeter in the wps without skipping, but then buffering takes nearly forever
00:39:52linuxstbOr DMA - MrH has given us some info on that.
00:40:02amiconnThat became possible due to the improved memcpy
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00:41:03*amiconn is really curious what the apple firmware uses for transfer
00:41:09*Genre9mp3 notices lately a black vertical line (one pixel thick) showing up when booting on his H300 LCD... should he start get worrying?
00:41:12amiconnpio or mwdma or even udma?
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00:41:41LinusNi guess pio with internal dma
00:41:42Genre9mp3The line is showing up exactly on the same position
00:41:57webguest98When I open doom and choose an addon and Play Game it restarts???
00:42:00linuxstbLinusN: Yes.
00:42:31linuxstbSorry, I misread, I meant MrH's docs show us how to do PIO with DMA, I don't know what the Apple firmware does.
00:42:42amiconnGuessing is not as good as knowing...
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00:43:26LinusNi wonder if we could use the new pp emulator to investigate stuff like this
00:43:28dan_aIn lieu of some proper ASM optimisation, could Duff's Device help the ATA transfer?
00:44:32amiconnmidgey: Yes, that should work. I would just combine case 2: and default: though
00:44:51amiconnThey run identical code
00:44:54midgeyok, i committed that already
00:45:05midgeyi'll fix it up in a later commit
00:45:21LinusNdan_a: i can't see where that would help
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00:45:55Genre9mp3hmmm... the line doesn't show up when starting the original firmware...
00:46:24Genre9mp3also there's a slight backlight fading when the line shows up
00:46:36dan_aLinusN: OK. I don't know enough theory to know where some things will help :)
00:47:36amiconndan_a: Combining transfers on the memory side will help. Duffs device can't do that. Asm can, in case of arm using ldmia and stmia
00:48:48amiconnThe unaligned case needs much bitshifting, but arm seems to be built around a shifter...
00:49:50*amiconn is still puzzled about the coldfire ata port not liking dma with auto-alignment enabled
00:50:14amiconnWithout auto-alignment it works, but then it's slower than my asm loops
00:50:38Mikachuhow long would it take one of you to actually write this asm ata code you've been talking about for a week now? :)
00:51:02dan_aCan we steal code from memcpy (without updating the source address) or is that optimised for the wrong things?
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00:52:51amiconnIt's unnecessarily complex
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00:57:53LinusNbedtime
00:57:55LinusNnite all
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01:00
01:01:06webguest81hello im a noob 2 ipod modding and could some one tell me the easyest program 2 have a gamebuy emulator on?
01:02:00dan_awebguest81: Please use proper English on this channel - a lot of the most helpful people are not native speakers
01:02:11webguest81boy* any one plz?
01:02:31thegeek_ahhahaha
01:02:35thegeek_I just can't help myself;P
01:02:54webguest98The only file u need in .rockbox/doom is doom1.wad?
01:03:18thegeek_http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
01:03:27thegeek_;P
01:03:45webguest81so i dont have to have ipodlinux oh ok cool thank you
01:03:54Mikachucrazy aolers
01:04:13thegeek_;)
01:04:27dan_awebguest81: If I recall correctly, ipodlinux has a gameboy emulator. We have one too.
01:04:35linuxstbwebguest81: If you're asking how to install Rockbox (which has a gameboy emulator amongst one or two other features), start with the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
01:04:54DerPapstand iPL has NES and GameGear....
01:04:59DerPapst:)
01:05:13linuxstbAlthough it's not available on all ipods... See if it's included in your manual.
01:06:42linuxstbDerPapst: Have you tried them? Are they fast enough to be playable?
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01:06:55Mikachucrazy zsh of the day
01:06:57Mikachufunction hexip() { a=$(for a (`echo $1 | sed -r 's/(..)(..)(..)(..)/\1 \2 \3 \4/'`) {hextodec $a}|xargs|sed s/\ /./g); hostx $a }
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01:07:28webguest81ok cool thanks i was just reading and ipod linux sounds dumb cause u have to deleate ur songs and i have a 30g vid
01:07:36DerPapstlinuxstb: no.. :) but they are there ;) (i don't play a lot with my 3G)
01:08:34DerPapstbut the NES thingy seems to have a acceptable spped.
01:08:41DerPapst*speed
01:08:49 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Khe!!!")
01:09:24*DerPapst don't want cows :$
01:11:20pixelmasurely you can send them all over to muesli...
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01:12:01DerPapsthehe... i'll ask him if he want mine when he's back ;)
01:12:08amiconnhaha, funny mail header:
01:12:22amiconnX-fromdanielhimself: yes
01:12:46pixelmaDerPapst: I wonder why there are some in the Vatican anyways ;)
01:13:10preglowhahaha
01:13:11DerPapstthere are? didn't know that :)
01:13:42*Genre9mp3 wonders what DerPapst and pixelma are talking about
01:13:50webguest81so is rockbox the simplest or easyest (working) gameboy emulator
01:13:55*DerPapst wonders whether the real Pope already has rockbox on his nano...
01:14:16Genre9mp3webguest81: Rockbox is not a gameboy emulator, it has one though
01:14:34sneakumsnintendo makes the best gamboy emulators, in my experience.
01:14:34DerPapstGenre9mp3: the quitmessage of muesli__ was "i want cows!!!"
01:15:05DerPapstin german
01:15:05webguest81ya sry thats what i ment, yes i ment for and ipod duh
01:15:14***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:15:30thegeek_webguest81: _please_ use proper english
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01:16:43Genre9mp3webguest81: I don't have an iPod nor I ever tried iBoy so I don't know how it compares to Rockboy
01:17:01DerPapstwebguest81: RockBox is a firmware. mostly you use it to play music with it. but the devs get bored so they made some cool plugins for it....
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01:17:13mofonyxhi
01:17:26mofonyxdoes rockbox'd iPod 5th Gen results in it not being able to play videos?
01:17:58DerPapstthere is a mpeg player plug in.
01:17:59webguest81ok thanks (im so confused modding a psp is sooo much easyer)
01:18:23Genre9mp3It can play videos, but it's a work in progress so there's no A/V syncing yet among other things
01:18:52DerPapstso better use AppleOS to playback your videos
01:19:13mofonyxDerPapst : So, dual boot?
01:19:40webguest98Do I have to pay for Doom 2
01:21:03DerPapstmofonyx: yes
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01:23:10Soapand webguest98
01:23:35webguest98?
01:23:57Soapmofonyx: yes / and (yes to) webguest98 ('s question)
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01:26:12webguest98where can i get free doom 2
01:26:51DerPapsttry google: freedoom
01:28:24webguest98none of them are doom 2
01:28:40DerPapstthen i can't help you
01:28:47DerPapsti don't use doom
01:28:54mofonyxcheers guys :)
01:29:02mofonyxis there a guide on rockbox.org for the dual boot configuration?
01:29:39DerPapstif you install the loader your ipod can always dual boot
01:30:37DerPapsthave you read the manual?
01:33:16linuxstbmonfonyx: What player are you using?
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01:36:59XavierGrin order to use ccache do I simply type "ccache make"?
01:37:10XavierGr(when compiling)
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01:37:52amiconnno
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01:38:23Soapwebguest98: you can not get doom2 for free, it is a commercial game.
01:38:23*Genre9mp3 spots some more blue in the channel! :)
01:38:26amiconnYou just need to have ccache installed when configuring, configure will detect it
01:38:34XavierGrah
01:38:47XavierGrI think my Vmware image has it installed
01:39:03sneakumsconfigure will tell you if it's going to use ccache
01:39:23XavierGrok let me see again
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01:40:11XavierGrFound and uses ccache (/usr/bin/ccache)
01:40:12sneakums"Found and uses ccache (/usr/bin/ccache)"
01:40:15sneakumssnap!
01:40:16XavierGrlol
01:40:16amiconn...and if you explicitly don't want to use ccache, use configure −−no-ccache
01:40:17XavierGrecho
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01:40:42hen3rzhow do i get write access to the wiki
01:41:18Soapwhen do I _not_ want to use ccache? When troubleshooting?
01:41:28peturhen3rz: ask here with your wiki name
01:42:07XavierGrnow another question: when I reconfigure on a clean empty dir and compile (let's say for H300) I get 3 minutes to compile it, while if I type a "make clean" and then compile I get 1.20 minutes. I thought that make claen = rm -r * (on the compile directory)
01:42:08hen3rzmy wiki name is HenryLawson and could i please be given write access
01:42:53sneakumsSoap: or if you have ccache installed for other stuff and don't want rockbox builds ejecting other stuff from your cache
01:43:27sneakumsXavierGr: how about if you try it again the first way? it could be down to files not being cached the first time
01:43:31Soapahh, ok, makes sense sneakums. So if I don't want to cross-pollinate caches, or troubleshooting.
01:44:04peturhen3rz: done
01:44:27XavierGrsneakums: ok let me do it again, though I almost certain that I've build 3 times already in the same directory
01:45:36hen3rzpetur: Thank you
01:46:19XavierGrGenre9mp3: Blue eh? Linus is blue for me and amiconn is green on my set up :P
01:48:23Genre9mp3We agree on the second one! :)
01:48:27XavierGrheh
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01:49:24Genre9mp3btw, how I review all avail. colours? Do you remember?
01:49:32Genre9mp3^to XavierGr
01:49:52piyocan i get some help pls?
01:50:23piyoi just updated my ipod
01:50:24piyowith itunes
01:50:32piyoand now i cant launch rockbox :(
01:51:16sneakumspiyo: you probably need to reinstall the bootloader
01:51:33piyook
01:51:35piyohow do i do that
01:51:38piyoim retarded
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01:51:49*petur points to the wiki
01:52:02linuxstbpiyo: The same way you installed Rockbox the first time.
01:52:07peturhahaha
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01:52:46piyodam
01:52:48piyoi forgot
01:52:51piyoif i install that
01:52:59piyowill it erase my songs or something?
01:53:15linuxstbDid it erase your songs the first time?
01:53:18peturnah, but wise people have backups
01:53:21piyoi cant remember
01:53:27piyoi installed it last year xD
01:53:49peturand still using itunes? tsk tsk tsk
01:53:56sneakumsinstalling the bootloader does not do anything to the data partition, when it's done correctly.
01:54:08piyoc00l
01:54:18piyocan anyong give me link
01:54:23piyoto d/l
01:54:28linuxstbLast year was only three weeks ago...
01:54:28piyothe b00t loader
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01:54:40piyowe all know >.>
01:54:59linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
01:55:05peturor http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta ?
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01:55:29piyobasically
01:55:38piyodo i have to reinstall da thing?
01:55:47peturjust the bootloader
01:56:16linuxstbYou could send it to me, and I will reinstall da thing.
01:56:48piyolol
01:57:21piyoa a....
02:00
02:01:04piyodo i need to dl the ipodpatcher?
02:01:32DerPapstto install a bootloader? no you can use a hex editor as well but ipodpatcher is easier
02:01:42mofonyxsry guys was busy
02:01:46mofonyxreplying on behalf of a friend
02:01:50mofonyxhe's in iPod 5G
02:01:58mofonyxi'm on 4G, not particularly concerned about the dual-boot thingy
02:03:22piyoyo da ipodpatcher link is dead
02:03:29piyohttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/
02:03:38piyosomeone try it pls
02:03:48piyowww.download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/
02:04:12linuxstbYour first link works fine for me.
02:04:37piyodoes it direct you to a page
02:04:41piyowhere it says index
02:04:44piyothen parent directory
02:04:47piyothen 4 folders?
02:04:54linuxstbYes.
02:04:59piyowhich do i clik
02:05:07peturaaaargh
02:05:08linuxstbHave a guess.
02:05:20DerPapst(lol)
02:05:22*petur runs off, screaming....
02:05:28piyothe firs one :D
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02:05:52piyobad choise?
02:06:18Lloreanpiyo: What operating system are you on?
02:06:41piyowindows
02:06:43piyoi know!!!
02:06:45piyothe last one
02:06:48piyowin32
02:06:56LloreanNow that wasn't too terribly hard, was it?
02:06:59DerPapsthahahaha
02:07:10DerPapst(sorry)
02:07:10piyonot for me
02:07:13piyoim a genius
02:07:20*piyo rubs nipples
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02:13:32*barrywardell notices midiwall's posts at misticriver and wonders if he is a portalplayer developer
02:14:42Lloreanbarrywardell: Posts?
02:15:20midgeybarrywardell: i've been meaning to respond to your comment on my flyspray entry (adapting e200 plugins)
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02:16:05barrywardellLlorean: eg this one http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=331298#post331298
02:16:13midgeyby removing that bit of code, the ships in spacerocks are drawn vertically instead of slanting at a 45 degree angle
02:16:17barrywardellthat's quite old
02:16:27barrywardellbut he has recently started posting again
02:17:05barrywardellmidgey: yes, i figured that out eventually. i'm not sure what the preferred behaviour would be though...
02:17:19pixelmabarrywardell: sorry if you're not the right one to talk to but I thought you could know the source... I've experienced that the backlight will switch of after about 1 second on really low battery. (not that I have backlight for long - have a modded Ondio for about 3 weeks but I heard others reporting it too). Is that intentional, or a bug?
02:17:54pixelmaafter an event that switches it on of course
02:17:57barrywardellpixelma: i don't think that is intentional
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02:18:08midgeybarrywardell: im not sure either, i personally think it look better with the ships straight and that how the original version worked
02:18:16barrywardellthere are some changes to backlight behaviour
02:18:21barrywardellat low battery
02:18:27Lloreanbarrywardell: Yes, he definitely sounds like he had a part in developing the generic portalplayer OS
02:18:29barrywardellbut that one doesn't make much sense
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02:19:04barrywardellmidgey: and it simplifies the code by removing a couple of irrelevant lines
02:19:18pixelmaI mean most probably it's more visible to me because Ondio uses NiMH cells and runs till they are really empty
02:19:30pixelma(or batteries)
02:19:33barrywardellLlorean: he would be a good person to have contributing to rockbox
02:19:55Genre9mp3barrywardell: you plan to PM the guy?
02:20:29barrywardellyes, i was thinking about doing so
02:21:04DerPapstthats awesome :D
02:21:52Lloreanbarrywardell: Or at the very least address a few key questions to. I doubt he can contribute directly (who knows) but at the very least he might be able to answer "Do your remember if..." kinda things.
02:23:21barrywardellLlorean: yeah, he might have nda problems.
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02:26:32midgeybarrywardell: check out this post
02:26:34midgeyhttp://www.yotatech.com/showpost.php?s=34a1a5736bab5961631ac57c2361eda7&p=50377136&postcount=11
02:27:20barrywardellpixelma: line 636 seems to be the culprit. it changes the timeout to 2 seconds when the batteries are low
02:27:33barrywardellpixelma: line 636 of firmware/powermgmt.c
02:27:54Soaphttp://www.pastebin.ca/321064
02:28:06Soapif someone could look at my build error I would appreciate it.
02:28:55SoapI don't care if doom failed to compile (I believe that is all that failed), I'm more curious why (outside the obvious plugin buffer being full)
02:29:05barrywardellmidgey: i guess that answers my question so
02:29:06Lloreanmidgey: I wonder where he got the impression DRM support is coming, ever.
02:29:30barrywardellnow we just need to persuade him to help rockbox
02:29:31LloreanI like the "We couldn't get enough throughput out of the chip when we did the original OS to do anything reasonable" bit though. Running video on my Nano at 25fps seems kinda special now.
02:29:36midgeyLlorean: i saw that...
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02:30:29pixelmabarrywardell: yes this is how it feels - but I can't imagine that on a colour display the user could read something at all with this setting
02:32:18barrywardellpixelma: yes, i agree. that could be easily removed, but the real problem is that power management is in need of a bit of an overhaul imho
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02:34:26pixelmahmm... ok. Should I file a bugreport then or something?
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02:37:07LloreanSoap: If he doesn't he's going through an awful bit of trouble, all the way down to setting his location correctly. May as well give him the benefit of the doubt, it's not like he can provide anything less than the 'nothing' we already get from PP.
02:37:44Soapoh no - I'm not poopooing on contacting him - I just am always cynical about forum bravado.
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02:38:52LloreanSoap: With 8,000 posts on that forum I'm guessing he's generally a fairly serious member. *shrugs*
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02:39:27SoapI'm always skeptical to the point of cynical - ignore my poopooing.
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02:45:25Soapthough (on a less pessimistic tone) Maybe he is one of the ~4 dozen fired after Apple cut PP out of the Nano 2nd gen, and he is bitter and willing to point in the right direction.
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02:58:49rUISuhi, i want to make a raw image, but i can see how to in windows X[ any body know how to in windows??
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03:00:12Nico_PJdGordon: i'm not staying long, but have you seen my latest cuesheet changes ?
03:00:34JdGordonhey
03:00:35JdGordonno
03:00:40JdGordonon the wiki or fs?
03:00:46Nico_PFS
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03:01:03Nico_Pmaybe you knwo about them, i didn't do anything today
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03:02:22JdGordonah yes, I saw the comment, havnt had a look at the patch yet tho
03:02:35Nico_Pok
03:03:10Nico_Pi haven't touched the loading part because i need do discuss it with the swedes
03:03:32Nico_PLinusN seemed to prefer the way it's done currently
03:03:43JdGordonallowing both to load?
03:03:44Nico_Pi wouldn't want to rework it all for nothing
03:04:23Nico_Prather using the cue as a link to the mp3... the issue of both being added to the playlist is a negative side effect
03:05:57Nico_Pif you have any new ideas on how to deal with this, please post them on the tracker... i'm going to bed now ;)
03:06:04JdGordonok
03:06:07JdGordonnn
03:06:14JdGordonim not really sure how it should be handled
03:06:20JdGordonso ill leave that up to you guys
03:06:40Nico_Pi'm not really sure either :s
03:07:05Nico_Panyway, we'll see that another time
03:07:11Nico_Pbye
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03:14:32Siryusso I want to play doom on my ipod
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03:14:44Siryuswhat files do I have to download
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03:15:39iwantanimacyou need the rockdoom.wad and a doom.wad file... or doom2.wad - there are links to rockdoom.wad and the shareware doom 1 wad on the wiki...
03:15:41LloreanSiryus: You need to own a copy of Doom, and read the Rockbox manual.
03:16:01SiryusI'm at the wiki
03:16:35iwantanimacSiryus: it says clearly there that you need to download rockdoom.wad, and there's a link.
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03:16:43Siryuswhat folder do I put the rockdoom wad file in?
03:17:00iwantanimacwasn't it updated to /.rockbox/doom/?
03:17:16LloreanSiryus: Do you have something against just reading the manual where it explains everything?
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04:08:46perldiverSoap?
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04:10:37perldiverSoap let me know if its something you wanted when you see this: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2850/splashsj4.png
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04:18:32Soapegg zactly
04:18:37Soapthank you
04:24:39perldiverwant an uncompressed version?
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04:27:55Soapfire at will
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04:29:58perldiverSoap here we go
04:29:59perldiverhttp://download.yousendit.com/7B3900192225919D
04:30:49perldiverif you need any custom logos (like we did for gigabeat) let me know
04:32:08LloreanI'm not really sure why there's a custom logo just for the gigabeat.
04:32:21LloreanIt seems like it'd make more sense just to have the logos by screen size rather than individual target.
04:33:23perldiverLlorean make sense, yes
04:33:45LloreanKeeps the source archive from getting too big as the number of targets expand.
04:34:34perldiverbut we have this idea of custom splash going on for gigabeat
04:34:53perldiverso people can create their own ones
04:35:06perldiverand the custom one is included in bootloader as an example
04:35:44perldiverthis one
04:35:45perldiverhttp://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5273/splashtest02el0.png
04:36:04LloreanMost targets don't even have a splash in the bootloader. It's kept as small as possible and purely functional. But 'eh, I've no place to speak on it.
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04:37:21perldiverits really part of the "theme" concept, when someone can creat splash+backdrop+wps
04:37:31perldivercreate*
04:37:38perldiverfollowing the same style
04:38:31LloreanThe bootloader isn't really considered the same sort of part of Rockbox.
04:38:53LloreanOn many targets it's stored in flash and doesn't even access the disk until Rockbox itself is loaded, sometimes useful for recovering bad filesystems.
04:39:17perldiveryes, i understand
04:39:43perldiverbut do you think offering this option on targets where its possible is bad idea?
04:39:49LloreanWouldn't it be more logical to make the customizable splash the one when Rockbox boots, rather than as part of the bootloader?
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04:40:16perldiverits a separate .raw file that should be placed in root
04:40:28perldiverif its not present regular rockbox screen comes up
04:40:36LloreanI meant though that wouldn't it make more sense for Rockbox to load the .raw, and not the bootloader?
04:40:55perldiverit loads the .raw
04:41:07LloreanWhat 'it'?
04:41:12LloreanYou've been saying the bootloader so far.
04:41:13perldiverthe bootloader
04:41:36LloreanSo, how does saying "it loads the raw" respond to "Wouldn't it make more sense for Rockbox to load the .raw, and not the bootloader?"
04:41:55LloreanI just don't see why it's a feature of the bootloader rather than the core.
04:42:08perldiveroh i see what you mean now
04:42:28LloreanIf it were a part of the core, every target could have the feature, and at the same time you wouldn't be messing with the current bootloader paradigm.
04:43:05perldiverbut i think it never became a core feature because its not possible on all targets?
04:43:35LloreanOn what target would it be impossible for the core to load an image, other than the Archos Player (because it has a charcell display)?
04:45:16perldiverbut is it possible to display an image before the bootloader displays its data on load?
04:45:22SoapLlorean: now that pijulius is back, should his 34 page thread be pruned, since much is outdated?
04:45:43LloreanSoap: If he wants it pruned, I will.
04:46:08LloreanAs far as I'm concerned, the unsupported builds are none of my business outside of me keeping unrelated threads from showing up on their boards, or keeping them out of our boards.
04:46:39Lloreanperldiver: So you're trying to hide the bootloader data for some reason?
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04:47:55perldiverinteresting train of thought but of course not, its just the dilemma here "bootloader data or splash screen"
04:48:44LloreanBut there's already the normal Rockbox splash upon boot. I just don't see why you feel the need to add any graphics into the bootloader as part of 'themeing' when there's the normal Rockbox splash that could be made themeable.
04:49:20LloreanIt seems rather odd to add a themeable feature to just one target by way of the bootloader, when you could make a universal feature with the normal bootup splash, and leave the bootloaders as they are, text-only and very simple.
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05:15:08scubacolesOn the bootloader splash topic, it makes Rockbox look far more "professional" or finished if no boot text is visible.
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05:18:26Lloreanscubacoles: But that can wait for a release version in which something like a simple progress bar can be used.
05:18:36LloreanSomething that can be done identically on all targets.
05:18:50scubacolesyeah, fair call..
05:18:56LloreanThat still doesn't in any way address the "Splash in the core vs bootloader" question.
05:20:05scubacolesPerhaps us giogabeat users are coming from a different perspective
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05:21:11scubacolesWe have to boot with part of the Toshiba bootloader, then flick over to the Rockbox bootloader, going from Toshiba splash to boot text to rockbox splash to file browser (or WPS)
05:21:39Lloreanscubacoles: Rockbox itself should be able to show a splash though.
05:21:54LloreanHow long does the Gigabeat spend in the bootloader?
05:21:58scubacolesover the top of the bootloader text??
05:22:07scubacoles2 seconds
05:22:12perldiverLlorean 2-3 seconds
05:22:28Lloreanscubacoles: Remember, I suggested that the bootloader text be removed for a final version.
05:22:43Llorean2-3 seconds of a blank screen, or a progress bar, followed by a Rockbox splash shouldn't be too jarring, should it?
05:22:59LloreanOn an entirely unrelated note, I believe I shall be joining the ranks of Gigabeat owners shortly.
05:23:17Mouser_XOooh,
05:23:29perldiverLlorean thats great, i hope you will
05:23:32Mouser_XIndeed.
05:23:41hcsjoin us....
05:23:41LloreanWell, it really depends on one final email coming back to me saying "Agreed, we have a deal"
05:23:41Mouser_XHeh
05:24:22perldiverprogress bar followed by a splash sounds great but we have are "own" progress bar screen built into gigabeat
05:24:31LloreanBut I still think the splash should be a part of the core. The bootloader shouldn't have any non-essential code in it except perhaps a very simple, elegant progress bar, so that it can be consistent across all targets.
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05:25:48perldiverit comes up right after you turn on the player
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05:26:00perldiverand i guess theres nothing can be done about it
05:26:08scubacolesperldriver is referring to the Toshiba part I think...
05:26:16scubacoleshas its own progress bar
05:26:16LloreanAye, I figured that.
05:26:28LloreanWell, the Rockbox bootloader could also just be a blank screen.
05:26:48perldiveri'm up for elegant progress bar across all targets
05:26:48LloreanMy big concern is that the bootloader itself should be treated as something that should be minimal and as fast as possible.
05:26:59perldiveragreed
05:27:23LloreanThe iPods show a splash on boot, but it's the first thing *after* the bootloader that you see.
05:28:14LloreanEspecially considering that in the end, the ideal for nearly any target would be to get the bootloader itself into flash. I don't know if that's physically possible ever on the Toshibas though.
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05:29:28scubacolestoffe is looking into it I believe, via the jtag connector on the motherboard. No promises though
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05:30:54LloreanAlright, as of Monday I shall be $180 poorer, and an F40 richer.
05:31:14perldiveraww.
05:31:30LloreanAww?
05:31:46protonitehey, i upgraded the version of rockbox on my ipod to the new build yesterday (i was using one from last June), and today my ipod completely died, is there any way that rockbox could be responsible for that or is it coincidence?
05:32:06scubacolesLlorean: congratulations, you wont regret it....unless you accidentally try the Toshiba firmware first!!!! Although then you'll understand why so many gigabeat owners have flooded this channel since Christmas :-)
05:32:06Lloreanprotonite: Coincidence. What kind of "completely died"?
05:32:23Lloreanscubacoles: It will be my... umm... 5th or 6th Rockbox target.
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05:32:28perldiverLlorean just happy for you
05:32:58protoniteLlorean - I had around 70% battery left, turned it off, then when i tried to turn it on I got a low battery symbol in rockbox, and it turned itself off
05:33:04protoniteit now wont turn on, or recharge
05:33:06scubacolesLlorean: yeah I understand that I'm the newbie here...
05:33:11perldivermaybe it will become your favourite target
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05:33:18Lloreanprotonite: turn hold on, turn hold off, hold menu+select for 30 seconds very carefully
05:33:22Lloreanperldiver: Unlikely
05:33:30Lloreanperldiver: Very, very, very unlikely
05:33:35perldiveryou have a winner already?
05:33:37LloreanI can't imagine anything competing with the H120 for pure audio function.
05:34:02protoniteer
05:34:08protoniteok that just worked
05:34:20Lloreanprotonite: I know. ;)
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05:34:31protonitethanks, but what was the problem? even plugging it onto my computer done nothing before, that normally causes it to reboot automatically?
05:34:48protonitei thought the battery had just blew up or something :o
05:34:57Lloreanprotonite: The iPods have somewhat strange batteries it seems, and sometimes you have to use the full hard reboot procedure.
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05:35:27protonitehm, fair enough
05:35:30Lloreanperldiver: Honestly, I'm just getting it because the price was cheap enough for a 40gb player, and it'll make it easier for me to provide support.
05:36:11perldiverh120 has alot to offer yeah
05:36:36LloreanColor screens 'n all that jazz, not really stuff I use terribly often.
05:36:58LloreanThough if the battery life beats the H120, and the sound quality is comparable it could replace it for everyday use.
05:37:19LloreanActually, my H120 needs a new battery anyway. The original's too many years old
05:37:25protoniteid definitely swap my ipod for my old h140 if i could find one in good condition :/
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05:40:05LloreanMost of my players are ones I've ended up with through various deals or in the case of my Archos, my brother's old player.
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05:40:23webguest96i need help
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05:40:34Lloreanwebguest96: What problem are you having?
05:40:55webguest96my video ipod is displaying " dara abort at 00041b30"
05:41:01webguest96data*
05:41:08LloreanWhat did you do immediately before this happened?
05:41:18webguest96playing music
05:41:27LloreanWhat build are you using?
05:41:33webguest96how do i turn it off
05:41:42webguest96video ipod v5.5
05:41:46LloreanJust use the reset combination.
05:42:02webguest96which is?
05:42:02LloreanNo, I meant, how old is the build, and is it an official one.
05:42:06LloreanMenu+Select, hold it for several seconds.
05:42:09webguest96for rockbox
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05:42:22webguest96then nest one for video ipod
05:42:42webguest96thanks
05:42:54LloreanSo it's from the SVN Builds link on the site?
05:42:55webguest96im still new to rockbox
05:43:20webguest96daily build
05:43:28toffescubacoles , Llorean : the jtag is accessible on the gigabeat, it is part of my todo list :)
05:43:42webguest96its a bit hard to find my music though on it
05:43:57toffeto try to connect to it and read (if possible an reflach)
05:43:57Lloreantoffe: But is it flashable without the JTAG (once you've got a safe bootloader, can it be flashed by normal users?)
05:44:01webguest96do i have to get rid of the itunes uploaded music first?
05:44:14Lloreanwebguest96: Have you read the manual yet? I suggest the portions on Database
05:44:33protoniteis there a setting in rockbox thatll make the ipod buttons work as soon as you press them when its been active? not sure to describe what I mean but when Ive not used it for a while it ignores me pressing fastforward/pause etc until Ive played around with the scrollwheel a bit to activate it
05:44:41protonites/active/inactive/
05:44:55Lloreanprotonite: Turn off "First keypress enables backlight"
05:44:56toffeLlorean : I don't think you can flash it without the jtag
05:45:23Lloreantoffe: So the Toshiba bootloader built in can never be upgraded in a firmware update?
05:45:54webguest96can it play my videos?
05:45:58protonitecool, thanks
05:46:04Lloreanwebguest96: Rockbox does not support the same formats of video.
05:46:13webguest96oh, k
05:46:17Lloreanprotonite: It may not help perfectly though. Some of it's just because of the slowness.
05:46:26protonitefair enough
05:46:38protoniteit was a lot worse on the June 2006 build i was using
05:46:40toffeLlorean : I don't know enough to answer
05:46:49protonitethe new one is far far better so thanks :o
05:46:49Lloreanprotonite: Try the kernel_on_cop patch.
05:46:57Lloreantoffe: Alright, I'm just curious. :)
05:47:11webguest96ah i got it now
05:47:24webguest96i hold menu down for 3 seconds or so
05:47:33webguest96then go to database
05:47:45webguest96to see my music
05:49:35webguest96whats a good looking theme
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05:56:14KCCcheck out beatMPgirl, if you can
05:56:47protonitedo using non-default themese decrease batterylife?
05:57:32Lloreanprotonite: It can depend on the theme.
05:57:47LloreanAnimation, alternating sublines, peakmeters, complex graphics can all affect things
05:58:02protoniteok
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05:59:26protoniteoff to bed, thanks for the help
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06:22:09Mnementh114i figure people here might be able to answer my rockbox question
06:22:25Mnementh114is there a way to charge the ipod and play music when running rockbox?
06:22:47Mnementh114because every time I do, It won't run because it thinks a usb is connected
06:23:10LloreanHold Menu while plugging it in.
06:23:20Mnementh114then it boots to old os
06:23:36LloreanAFTER Rockbox is on, Hold Menu, then while menu is down, plug in USB.
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06:24:09Mnementh114gotcha.
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06:36:45webguest36why is it that my database "isn't ready"
06:37:00Lloreanwebguest36: Did you follow the directions for how to get it set up?
06:37:25webguest36well do i have to restart it?
06:37:51webguest36onece the cange to the settings has been done?
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06:38:48sneakumsperhaps that message should be "database build in progress. please wait."
06:38:56sneakums(assuming that is why it isn't ready)
06:39:00Lloreanwebguest36: I take it that's a "I haven't read the instructions" then?
06:39:10webguest36yep
06:39:15webguest36im very tired
06:39:43Lloreanwebguest36: And magically the words we put on the screen are easier to read than the words that were already there?
06:40:30webguest36sorry, you lost me
06:40:38sneakumsha ha.
06:40:46Lloreansneakums: Well, the database can be not ready because the build is in progress, or because the person hasn't restarted after, or because it was never initialized in the first place.
06:40:55webguest36ah
06:41:04webguest36that makes sence
06:41:09Mouser_X*sense
06:41:24webguest36right
06:41:42Lloreanwebguest36: My point is, if you'd just read the bloody manual you wouldn't have had to ask in the first place, and I don't see how "I'm very tired" is an excuse since reading the manual is something you should've done in the first place, and doesn't require any of us to retype things yet again.
06:43:09LloreanSeriously, the manual was written for a reason and it's rather frustrating that when I asked if you'd read it, you attempted to dodge the subject.
06:43:36webguest36i understand that the manual was made for that
06:43:51webguest36and i did read the basic stuff
06:44:00webguest36and a bit more after
06:44:17webguest36i just wanted a live answer
06:44:25LloreanWhy?
06:44:43webguest36i find it to be faster
06:44:49LloreanDid the logic go something like "They already wrote it down for me, but I should make them type it again even though it's the very same people saying it?"
06:45:24LloreanSo, the logic is "I want to make someone else work to save me time" then.
06:45:39LloreanThat's what "Getting someone to tell it to me so it's faster for me" boils down to.
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06:46:01Mouser_X<webguest36> i find it to be faster
06:46:01Mouser_Xwebguest36: It wasn't faster this time...
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06:50:34johnd0ehey room
06:50:49Mouser_XHowdy johnd0e
06:51:08johnd0eI have a quick couple of questions about rockbox on a ipod 5g
06:51:15Mouser_XShoot.
06:51:43johnd0eDoes rockbox support the ipod wall chargers ?
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06:51:48Mouser_X(As in, dang, sorry, I can't help.)
06:51:51Mouser_X:P
06:51:54johnd0elol
06:51:58Mouser_XI don't know, but I would assume so.
06:51:59Lloreanjohnd0e: Yes.
06:52:08johnd0eHmmm.
06:52:30johnd0ePerhaps the charger I have is defective then... Damn cheap foreign electronics...
06:52:39johnd0eAnother:
06:52:53sneakumsyou could check for sure by booting into the apple firmware, if you have dual boot
06:53:08johnd0ewow, sneakums just brought up my next question
06:53:16johnd0ehow can you dualboot with orig firmware?
06:53:20johnd0eipodpatcher?
06:53:43Mouser_XNo, start Rockbox, and while it's booting, turn on the HOLD button (is that right?)
06:53:55Lloreanjohnd0e: If you installed it properly, you just turn on the hold switch immediately after powering up
06:53:56Mouser_X(I know it's close to that)
06:54:01johnd0eIs that in the documentation anywhere?
06:54:09LloreanOr if you have the old bootloader, hole Menu down while booting.
06:54:15johnd0eI scoured the docs and didn't find anything...
06:54:19Lloreanjohnd0e: It's in the IpodFAQ on the website, and *probably* in the manual too.
06:54:42johnd0eLeave it to technology to leave me feeling stupid... haha...
06:55:43johnd0eNote for others: It is the hold switch. Boot the ipod with hold on, and it will boot orig firmware.
06:55:50johnd0eThanks for the help guys
06:56:12Mouser_XWell, I try.
06:56:19Mouser_XSorry I couldn't be of service...
06:56:41johnd0eno problem. You're part of a great community
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06:56:58Mouser_XHeh.
06:57:08johnd0eWhat a polite nick, FOAD...
06:57:52johnd0e@llorean, Yeah, it was there in the IpodFAQ... Darn... I didn't check that.
06:58:20Mouser_Xjohnd0e: It wasn't until you said that, that I realized it wasn't a mispelling of "toad."
06:58:23Mouser_X:(
06:58:31johnd0elol
06:58:53Mouser_XThere are some things that I am very happily ignorant of.
06:59:29perldiverMouser_X any progress on wps?
06:59:39Mouser_XNot at this time.
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06:59:50Mouser_XI'll probably get back to it on Friday.
06:59:58perldiverim about to start drawing icons for mine
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07:00:12Mouser_XIcons? In what form?
07:00:19Mouser_XOr, I should say, what's their use?
07:00:36perldiverwell, battery, play/pause, shuffle etc etc
07:00:43Mouser_XAh.
07:00:55Mouser_XYes, I still need to do those (and figure out their placement).
07:01:04johnd0ewell anyways, thanks to you all for the help and have a good morning/night/afternoon!
07:01:07Mouser_XWell, for the battery anyway.
07:01:18goffaevening folks
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07:01:47Mouser_XI have play, pause, stop, shuffle, repeat, and all the standard buttons of Winamp to take care of that stuff.
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07:02:27Mouser_XThough, because of the multiple modes of repeat, I might have to modify that...
07:02:38Mouser_XOr, display it in 2 places, or something.
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07:20:39webguest62Anyone know why my Ist gen ipod nano won't be found by ipodpatcher
07:21:07webguest62ive done it like 50 different ways
07:21:25Mouser_XReminds me of Thomas Edison.
07:21:36webguest62?
07:21:56Mouser_X"I didn't fail 5000 times when making the light-bulb. I learned 5000 ways not to build a light-bulb."
07:22:11webguest62O
07:22:16Mouser_X(Take note, that's not a direct quote, but he did say something pretty close to it.)
07:22:36Mouser_XSorry, I don't have an answer for you.
07:23:10webguest62sorry i don't have that long and im not Thomas Edison
07:23:31webguest62anyone else maybe
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07:24:33webguest62it just says no ipod found
07:26:31webguest62it says i need to make it show up as a disk drive but i can onlty think of 2 ways so thats what 4 combinations
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07:27:48webguest62all right Im assuming that means no one knows thats currently here
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07:39:28sneakumsi'm pretty sure it's a case of "open to itunes, tick box"
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08:23:38akadewboyCan I get write permission for the Wiki so I can upload my WPS? WikiName: RobertOlenichak
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08:48:10JdGordonakadewboy: done
08:48:19JdGordonany perl/script kiddies here?
08:49:13akadewboythank you :D
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08:52:32AndreSmithI downloaded the rockbox zip and rockboy.rock doesnt seem to be there
08:52:47LinusNwhich platform?
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08:53:03AndreSmithe200
08:53:20LinusNi guess rockbox hasn't yet been ported to the sansa
08:53:26LinusNsorry, rockboy
08:53:33AndreSmithOh, but it has, many people with a sansa have rockboy on theirs
08:53:45LinusNare you looking in the right place?
08:53:54AndreSmith.rockbox/viewers?
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08:54:57LinusNyes, hmmm, looks like it's not there
08:55:09AndreSmithstrange, does that mean it might have been taken off?
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08:55:54AndreSmithWhere would I acquire rockboy then?
08:58:38LinusNi'm surprised to hear that it has been there and then removed
08:58:51AndreSmithI wonder why
08:58:58AndreSmithis there anyway to get it though?
08:59:11LinusNstay tuned, i'm checking
08:59:21AndreSmithThanks
08:59:49amiconnmo0ning
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09:01:00amiconnBagder: Did you make the buildmaster exclude godeater.dyndns.org and lostlogicx.com from simulator builds?
09:01:29*amiconn noticed the absence of yellow in his latest commit
09:01:39B4amiconn: nope
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09:02:31amiconnweird. All previous builds had some yellow due to the bad gcc
09:02:36BagderrI've only removed slasher's server
09:02:46Bagderrso I guess the distribution is now very different
09:04:00AndreSmithLinusN: Found anything?
09:04:02amiconnHmm, possible
09:05:47LinusNAndreSmith: this is really weird. Rockboy is being built when i build the sansa code myself, but not by the build servers
09:06:03AndreSmithStrange
09:06:06AndreSmithWhy is that so?
09:06:07LinusNreally
09:06:12LinusNi wish i knew
09:06:31AndreSmithWell, for the time being is it possible to send me the plugin?
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09:06:57Bagderris that problem in the daily builds too?
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09:07:48AndreSmithI dont think the e200 is on the daily builds yet
09:07:49AndreSmithIs it?
09:08:04LinusNno, only svn builds
09:08:08Bagderruhm
09:08:12BagderrI'll add it
09:08:15amiconnBagderr: Hmm, fnarfbargle.com might have the same problem as Slasheri's server
09:08:27LinusNnot svn converted?
09:08:28BagderrI'll check
09:08:40amiconnThe latest build is missing rockboy, but the previous one has it
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09:09:03amiconnPrevious was built on a different server, farsan.haxx.se
09:09:14Bagderrindeed
09:09:21Bagderrfnarfbargle.com is bad
09:09:43LinusNamiconn: you can always trust farsan :-)
09:13:48Bagderrdo I disabled both fnarfbargles
09:13:52Bagderrs/do/so
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09:14:53LinusNBagder: what's the issue with it?
09:14:59Bagderrno svn
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09:15:06Bagderrrather no checkout repo
09:15:15LinusNwhy not do it then?
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09:15:31BagderrI'm not sure they want me to
09:15:42BagderrI rather ask the admins to do it
09:15:42LinusNok
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09:16:34LinusNhas anybody tried to run the ipod ata patch on another platform?
09:17:00*tucoz notices more manual commits from Mr. Ross. Yay!
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09:18:17tucozmidgey_: nice work :)
09:18:23GodEaterwhich ATA patch would that be Linus ?
09:20:49GodEaternevermind - found it
09:21:50DataGhostdid you get fat32 to work then LinusN? or what exactly :)
09:22:17LinusNDataGhost: i take it you haven't checked my patch :-)
09:22:17LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6549
09:22:27DataGhostif necessary I cn test it on my 4G iPod after my exam today, if that's 'another' enough :)
09:22:32DataGhostno I haven't checked it yet indeed :)
09:23:04LinusNit turns out that fat32 is very much non-trivial to fix
09:23:13DataGhostheh
09:23:16DataGhostand ext3?
09:23:19DataGhostor didn't you try that?
09:23:26LinusNrockbox doesn't have ext3
09:23:37DataGhostoh ok :P
09:23:42DataGhostI really need to try it on my 4G some time :P
09:24:42Bagderrand now, we have a daily sansa build too
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09:25:11GodEaterLinusN: sadly I don't have another target with me here to test at the moment - but since I'd like to test it on my 5.5G, I'd like to ask: do I need to build both the bootloader and the firmware, or can I do just the firmware ?
09:26:23LinusNit won't be able to load the firmware, so don't bother :-)
09:26:36GodEaterjust bootleader then ?
09:27:12LinusNyes, and with an unmodified ipod.c, you won't see anything else but a hang
09:27:15*GodEater assumes this will just display the MBR properly
09:27:21LinusNnot even that
09:27:30GodEaterno? still sleep() hangs ?
09:28:35LinusNbecause the current ipod.c displays the partition table *after* mounting the file system
09:28:50LinusNwhich fails, since fat32 isn't fixed yet
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09:29:00GodEaterah
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09:29:07sneakumsah, that explains why my experiment of changing the mbr-read to be 1024 bytes didn't seem to do anything
09:29:13LinusNprobably
09:29:18sneakumsthat'll teach me to look more carefully
09:29:26sneakums(actually, it probably won't)
09:30:04LinusN:-)
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09:30:35GodEaterI saw your note in the logs re: fat 32 directory handling being very 512 byte centric
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09:31:08LinusNGodEater: yes, in the rockbox driver
09:31:19GodEaterwell that's what I meant ;)
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09:32:41LinusNthe rockbox fat driver is very optimized for low memory usage
09:32:48GodEateras I would expect
09:33:17LinusNbut that unfortunately made it harder to adapt for 1024-byte physical sectors
09:33:52LinusNi curse toshiba for not allowing 1-sector reads
09:34:05GodEaterI second your curse, and also thumb my nose at them
09:34:25sneakumsi additionally set them on fire
09:34:33LinusN:-)
09:34:50GodEaterin fact, I nominate them Rockbox's "Public Enemy No. 1" for the month.
09:36:03GodEaterhere's an idea
09:36:31GodEateris it worth just re-writing ata_read_sectors so that it always reads 2, and always throws away the second one ?
09:36:36GodEatervery inefficient
09:36:41GodEaterbut perhaps easy to make this worth with ?
09:37:18*GodEater waits for his shiny idea to get shot down in flames and stamped on....
09:37:50LinusNGodEater: then it wouldn't be compatible with the existing filesystem
09:37:56GodEaterheh - I can imagine amiconn choking into his breakfast just reading that
09:38:07GodEaterah well - it was just an idea
09:38:31GodEaterhow is the exisiting file system done then ?
09:38:55LinusNaccording to the fat32 specification
09:39:08GodEaterI'll google for it
09:39:21LinusNif we only used every second sector, we will not be able to read the filesystem
09:39:27sneakumsit's a horrible word document somewhere on microsoft.com, iirc
09:40:02sneakumsLinusN: well, i think the idea is more to round the requested sector down to even, read 1024 bytes, and throw away whicever half isn't needed
09:40:10sneakumsso it would read the existing format
09:40:15LinusNGodEater: no need to google, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/FAT32Spec103.pdf
09:40:40sneakumsbut the writing would be horrible if you try to hide it that way, i guess
09:40:52sneakumssince you'd have to read the 1024 bytes, change the right 512, and write it back
09:41:00sneakums(assuming writes as constrained as reads are)
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09:41:08LinusNsneakums: yes, that is a way, but then we must handle unaligned reads and writes by buffering, and that is a mess
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09:41:50GodEaterI did a cursory inspection of the code tree, and never came up with anywhere that we were reading many sectors at once
09:41:58LinusNit's not that fixing the fat32 driver is impossible, just not as easy as i had hoped for
09:42:37LinusNGodEater: exactly, the only places we do that is when we read/write files
09:42:40GodEaterso I always figured it was currently returning 512 byte buffers
09:43:46GodEaterso my idea was to just modify ata_read_sectors to always return the first 512 bytes from a 2 sector read. That way the code calling ata_read_sectors would always get back what it currently expects
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09:44:08LinusNGodEater: what about when it reads an odd sector?
09:44:16GodEaterbut that would become very messy (as you say) when we start doing more sectors at one time than just one.
09:44:37GodEaterdoes the Toshiba driver moan when you give it an odd starting sector number as well then ?
09:44:44GodEaters/driver/controller
09:44:56LinusNafaik, yes
09:45:02GodEaterwhat a pain
09:45:04sneakumsthe ata spec seems to indicate you'd have to do the i/o on multiples of the physical sector size
09:45:13GodEaterI thought we just had to set NSECTORS to a power of 2
09:45:26GodEaternot LBA to be a power of 2 as well
09:45:52sneakumser, my sentence didn't really say what i wanted it to say, i think
09:45:57sneakumsbut you get it anyway :)
09:46:28LinusNGodEater: we basically have to align the i/o to the physical sector size
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09:47:05GodEaterhas anyone (i.e. you ;) ) actually tried an odd numbered sector offset to read ? Cos if you haven't I'll try it now.
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09:47:37LinusNGodEater: try it, i would be utterly surprised if it worked
09:48:58*GodEater gets to it
09:51:19LinusNeven if that worked, we would still have a nightmare to support 1-sector writes
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09:54:43GodEateraware of that now that sneakums pointed it out - I'm now just burning with curiousity ;)
09:58:13Exodushey ladies and gents
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10:02:29Exoduswas wondering if some one could clarify if you can watch standard ipod video format with rockbox before i go and install it with linuxbooter
10:04:11LinusNExodus: the answer is no, but you can always boot the original firmware to watch them
10:04:12GodEaterread the mpegplayerplugin page on the wiki
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10:04:33Exodusok thank you at least i know my options
10:05:12Exodusive been reading some of the wiki and have found that the mpeg player is some what slow
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10:21:26webguest52Hello
10:22:29webguest52Just wondering, does RockBox work with the iAudio 6?
10:24:38bluebrotherno
10:24:52bluebrotherit works only on the players that are stated at the frontpage.
10:25:35webguest52Hm, bummer. I have to buy some number of audio units for a university project but the X5 seems to be discontinued.
10:26:43bluebrotheryou can look in the New Ports forums if there is a discussion about that player.
10:27:01bluebrotherbut I doubt that −− never heard of an iaudio 6
10:27:27webguest52It's the newest version, I thought. http://global.cowon.com/product/product_iAUDIO6_feature.php
10:28:04Thundercloudbluebrother: the 6 has been out for quite a while.
10:28:47webguest52Any idea if there are technical reasons why Rockbox wouldn't work on the iAudio 6?
10:29:00bluebrotherhmm, I'm definitely not up to date
10:29:25bluebrotherdo you know techical details about the iaudio6? Like CPU?
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10:30:51webguest52I don't, unfortunately (googling now)
10:30:52GodEaterhmmm - my ipod appears stuck in wait_for_bsy()
10:30:59LinusNit's too bad that they decided to discontinue the x5, it was a very popular rockbox target
10:31:12LinusNand a very good player in general
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10:32:20webguest52Yeah, I want to buy 5 units but the stores here say "no can do, no longer sold"
10:32:39webguest52So I might have to buy the iAudio 6 but I need to know if RockBox will work on them
10:32:55LinusNno it won't, at least not in the near future
10:33:06LinusNtry to get hold of some x5's from another store
10:33:16bluebrotheramazon.de seems to still have some in stock
10:33:27webguest52University regulations unfortunately require me to purchase from approved sellers, argh.
10:33:38LinusNtheir loss then
10:34:13webguest52Is porting to X6 probably difficult? Or probably similar? Or impossible to say?
10:34:28LinusNthe x6 is a totally different beast, afaik
10:34:33webguest52Aaargh.
10:34:40bluebrotherso no more coldfire? Too bad.
10:34:45LinusNvery bad
10:35:41webguest52Well, I'll try to convince my superiors to purchase remaining X5s from non-approved sources.
10:35:56webguest52Thanks for the info guys.
10:36:20bluebrotherfound a firmware file for the iaudio6. I6_FW.bin with over 7MiB size
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10:38:16GodEaterLinusN: any idea why I'm stuck in wait_for_bsy() now ? That's not happened before AFAIAW
10:38:18LinusNi'm not surprised that cowon pulled the x5, it has been on the market for quite some time
10:38:24webguest52*ears perk up* bluebrother - does that mean rockbox will run on the i6???
10:38:43LinusNGodEater: because the fat code reads 1 sector at a time
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10:39:37GodEaterI've not got as far as the filesystem yet
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10:40:02LinusNcan you even buy an i6 in europe?
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10:40:27GodEaterThis hasnt even finished ata_init() yet LinusN
10:40:34GodEaterit's not gone near the fat code yet
10:40:53LinusNGodEater: interesting, what have you changed?
10:42:12webguest52Tech info in i6: http://iaudiophile.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-8344.html
10:42:21webguest52s/in i6/on i6/
10:43:20GodEaterLinusN: apart from the odd numbered start in the call to get the MBR - nothing
10:43:23GodEaterand it's not got there yet
10:44:05LinusNweird
10:44:43GodEatervery
10:45:11*GodEater curses
10:45:21GodEaterand now - for no reason at all
10:45:25GodEaterit's just finished ata_init()
10:45:47GodEaterso it's not stuck there anymore
10:46:39LinusN"odd numbered start"?
10:47:07LinusNah, an unaligned read?
10:48:09GodEaterwell I just brutally hacked disk_init() to read sector 1, not sector 0, just to see if ata_read_sectors() would return without an error
10:49:16GodEaterand I got no error
10:49:41LinusNdid you change it to read only 1 sector too?
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10:51:01GodEaternope - still reading 2
10:52:04daurnimatoro.o
10:52:08daurnimatorwhere is jd?
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10:54:57GodEaterthis is odd
10:55:08GodEaterit's hanging again now I've taken more of my printfs out
10:56:44bluebrotherwebguest52: no, that doesn't mean anything. I was just a bit surprised by the size
10:57:03bluebrotherI guess that file is encrypted, so simply disassembling it won't work
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11:01:18GodEaterI'd completely disregard that no error statement from above
11:01:29GodEaterI only managed to get my iPod to that stage once
11:01:37GodEaternow it's just hanging randomly again
11:02:30LinusNGodEater: are you running the bootloader?
11:02:50GodEateryes
11:03:04GodEaterI went through and replace all the sleep() calls with udelay() calls
11:03:09GodEaterdoesn't seem to make any difference
11:03:13LinusNok
11:03:25GodEaterI don't think that's where it's hanging
11:03:39GodEaterwhen I got to the point with numerous printf()s of narrowing it down
11:03:46GodEaterit suddenly skipped past the point it was hanging
11:03:54GodEaterit's *somewhere* in set_multiple_mode()
11:03:57LinusNbut this is still with the unaligned read?
11:04:00GodEaterbut I'm not sure why or how
11:04:06GodEaterwell it's not got that far though
11:04:11LinusNi see
11:04:12GodEaterso I'm not sure that's relevant
11:04:18GodEaterit's still in ata_init()
11:04:22GodEaterbefore it shows the HD model
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11:04:35LinusNweird indeed
11:04:42GodEateryeah =/
11:04:54GodEaterand as soon as I took the printf()s out again - it hung again
11:04:59LinusNso it hasn't even tried to perform a READ_MULTIPLE?
11:04:59norbusanNicolas, are you here?
11:05:05GodEaternope it hasn't
11:05:15LinusNmajor weirdness
11:05:18GodEaterI don't understand it
11:05:27GodEaterthree weeks ago this was utterly reliable
11:05:44*amiconn would like to see rockbox on the M5
11:05:54tucozbluebrother. run strings on the file. Iirc, the x5 fw is not encrypted.
11:05:55amiconnShould be fairly easy
11:06:18LinusNamiconn: yes it should be easy
11:06:27tucozbluebrother: and i think i ran strings on the x6 as well some time ago, and i think it wasn't encrypted
11:06:43*tucoz says think a lot
11:06:48LinusNbut can you buy an m5 nowadays? i think not.
11:06:55tucozs/says/writes
11:07:11webguest52Sorry for the noob question, but what use is the fw file? Reverse engineering the binary firmware?
11:08:10tucozYou can find info on the hardware used for instance
11:09:38tucozwebguest52. it is a lot easier to add a bootloader to the player if the original fw is not encrypted.
11:10:16webguest52Ah, I get it. Reminds me of hacking disk boot sectors on my Atari 800 back in the day.
11:11:46webguest52i6_FW.bin appears unencrypted (just downloaded and ran strings on it)
11:12:56tucozyep. so i remember it to be
11:13:31webguest52What's the general process of adding a bootloader? Reverse engineer magic numbers for booting, disassemble the code, insert a jump point to your code, that sort of thing?
11:13:39tucoztry and see what info you can gather by looking through that. you can get hints to what hw and libraries is used etc.
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11:13:56tucozwebguest52. ask LinusN that
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11:14:28bluebrotherlooks really like the FW isn't encrypted.
11:14:35LinusNwebguest52: yes, that's basically it
11:14:39bluebrotherstrings even tells something about cue sheets.
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11:15:46webguest52I wish I had time to work on this sort of porting officially :-(
11:16:04GodEaterwhy not work on it unofficially then ? ;)
11:16:09bluebrotherok ... TELECHIPS TCC720 USB MMC
11:16:30LinusNoh
11:16:33webguest52Different then the X5?
11:16:39bluebrotherat least that is found by strings
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11:17:24*bluebrother even found some windows file paths with strings
11:17:38tucoziirc, i found references to coldfire in that fw file. i could be wrong though.
11:17:57webguest52Yeah I saw the windows file paths, must be leftovers from their development environment seeping into the binaries. Kinda funny though.
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11:18:40LinusNwebguest52: the iriver firmware had all the debug strings left in the binary, a gold mine for reverse engineers
11:18:51Bagderr__FILE__ is nice
11:18:54webguest52Ah... never thought about that. Interesting, interesting.
11:19:32Bagderrthose telechips are the usual "we don't show the world anything" kind of chips
11:19:38bluebrotheryeah, __func__ also :)
11:19:55webguest52I remember 15 years ago I released a "copy-protected" shareware program with the debug strings in the executable :-)
11:20:06LinusNhehe
11:20:36bluebrotheruse obfuscated debug stings like "!!!" only ;-)
11:21:32webguest52So, anyway, i6 is probably technically possible with RockBox given the firmware, right?
11:21:47webguest52Or are those famous last words?
11:22:40LinusNtechnically, yes
11:23:01webguest52Looks like some DRM stuff in the firmware too, REVOCATIONINFO WMDRMNET_RVK LICENSERESPONSE DRM_HDS_HASHKEY1DRM_HDS_HASHKEY2
11:23:34tucozI wonder what processor the U3 uses. it might have been that fw file i ran through strings
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11:32:11LinusNtucoz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioU3Info
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11:33:54GodEaterI would say that it's *technically* possible to port rockbox to all sorts of targets, including a full on PC. That doesn't mean that a) anyone ever will, or b) that it's a good idea :)
11:33:57webguest52I assume the SDK for such chips costs $$$?
11:34:21LinusNit's not so much the $$$, it's rather the NDA
11:34:26webguest52Ah...
11:34:30GodEaterwebguest52: that's one hurdle - but they're normaly bound up in NDAs too - which would mean we couldn't use them, even if we could afford them
11:34:50Bagderrthe tccs mostly use arm cores
11:35:00Bagderrso there's no need for any SDK from them, just docs
11:36:57GodEaterBagder - did that guy Stephen from positive get back to you at all yet? Last I heard (in the email we were both cc'd on) he was still reading the buildserver wiki page ?
11:37:20BagderrI've only gor that single reply as well
11:37:25Bagderrgot
11:37:35GodEaterI'll give him a nudge again today then
11:37:50GodEaterI wonder what sort of box he has for us
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11:40:14*bluebrother just found batik −− http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/
11:40:38bluebrothertucoz: converter between pdf and svg
11:43:22bluebrothertoo bad it's java
11:44:18markunbluebrother: there is also a little tool called svg2pdf http://cairographics.org/snapshots/
11:44:25markunor do you want it the other way around?
11:44:50amiconnBagder: [11:34:50] <Bagderr> the tccs mostly use arm cores <== mostly, but not always. Think of the TCC730...
11:45:13BagderrI know, hence "mostly" since I think that's the only exception
11:45:57amiconnRunning a main firmware on a dsp seems just weird.
11:48:30*LinusN runs the sansa emulator
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11:51:11voltagexhi guys, anything interesting happening in 'box world?
11:51:34LinusNnot really, move along, nothing here to see :-)
11:51:42voltagexlol
11:51:52voltagexI wish I was skilled enough to hack on rockbox.
11:52:05LinusNwell, austria microsystems has given indications that they will help us
11:52:15voltagexooh, who are they?
11:52:23LinusNwe have progress on the ipod 80gb
11:52:50voltagexand I can't speak oesterdeutsch (sp?)
11:53:24LinusNvoltagex: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AustriaMicrosystems
11:53:39voltagexthe wiki is useful :D
11:53:53voltagexAustria Mikro Systeme International AG
11:53:55voltagexaustriamicrosystems is a leading designer and manufacturer of high performance analog ICs.
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11:55:09voltagexsounds good
11:55:13voltagexany help is good
11:55:20voltagexRockbox for president!
11:55:40Genre9mp3The AS3514 chip is on Sansa? I can't find it in the SandiskE200HardwareComponents page.. What does this chip does?
11:55:52Genre9mp3</plain_curiosity>
11:56:01barrywardellit''s the dac
11:56:13Genre9mp3I see.. ok
11:56:15voltagexIs it used in any other players?
11:56:22barrywardellused for audio, power management, loads of other stuff
11:56:38barrywardellit's inside the pp5024 chip
11:57:07voltagexchips inside chips... *head asplode!*
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12:02:51tucozbluebrother, markun. Looks interesting. the current method to convert svg->pdf is a bit cumbersome
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12:08:49markuntucoz: what do you use now?
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12:11:16tucozmarkun: the svg is exported to eps from inkscape and then i run a tool called epstopdf on that file
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12:12:05tucozit produces very tiny pdf's, but it would be great to skip the intermediate step and preferably do it all on commandline
12:12:21tucozwith one single tool
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12:13:15markuntucoz: I believe the pdfs generated with svg2pdf were very well compressed
12:13:31markunNOT very well
12:13:53tucozoh. sounds great. i'll have to try that out when i get home
12:14:10tucozoh
12:14:17tucoznot very well. i see
12:15:18tucozi'll test both svg2pdf and batik later today
12:18:23markunok
12:18:42bluebrothertucoz: inkscape can also export from the command line. Haven't tried it yet.
12:18:44markuntucoz: there are also some little tools to (re)compress a PDF file
12:19:12bluebrotherI would prefer to be able integrating the conversion in the build itself\
12:21:16markunbluebrother: hm, yes, that would be better. I'll keep looking
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12:24:59bluebrotherI'll try the command line conversion from inkscape when I find time.
12:25:14bluebrotherbut I don't like adding inkscape as build dependency
12:25:47markunbluebrother: the tool I linked you too requires cairo
12:26:33bluebrotherI noticed that.
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12:26:56bluebrotherand the box I can access right now is too old to build a current cairo
12:27:21bluebrotherI should really upgrade the installation on that box
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12:34:26tucozbluebrother: there could be a problem if we add the conversion in the build. Inkscape and Corel treats layering differently for the same .svgs. We would have to be sure that the output pdf is working somehow.
12:35:04tucozs/ Is working / converted correctly
12:36:02bluebrotherhmpf. But maybe we could do the conversion to png during building
12:36:16bluebrotherI'd like to reduce the redundancy of the images
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12:38:01Mikachuhow many people actually build the manual themselves?
12:39:30tucozMikachu. 396 people on our last count ;)
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12:40:21tucozbluebrother: i agree. it feels wrong to have 3 copies of each image in svn.
12:41:45Mikachuheh, okay
12:41:49bluebrothertucoz: you counted the people? *g*
12:42:06Mikachujust thought you might not have to be so careful about adding dependencies to it
12:42:28bluebrotherit should at least be safe for building on windows and mac
12:43:02*n1s builds lots of manuals and dont want more dependencies uless they add something great
12:43:23linuxstb_Do those images change very often?
12:43:29tucozno. almost never
12:43:38bluebrotherwe should add a phone-home-and-tell-when-building-the-manual feature ;-)
12:43:52linuxstb_In which case, I think it's better to reduce build dependencies.
12:44:15tucozbut we want to have both the images needed by the buildsystem, and the svg that is used for editing.
12:44:16bluebrotherhaving our own tool in the tools/ folder would be ok for me
12:44:31bluebrotherbut I agree we shouldn't have too much dependencies
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12:46:09linuxstb_tucoz: So just put them both in SVN... I assume that's how it is now?
12:47:12tucozyes. that is how it is done
12:47:13bluebrotheryes. svg, pdf and png (for the web)
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12:54:30austriancoderI have a question about svn... are all old cvs accounts transferd to svn?
12:55:38linuxstb_Yes, but you need to email Bagder a new password (telling him your old cvs username).
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12:56:24GodEaterassuming you had one :)
12:56:41austriancoderGodEater: jep i had one
12:56:51GodEaterI figured you did, or you wouldn't have asked
12:56:59GodEatermind you - we get all sorts in here
12:57:00austriancoderlinuxstb_: thanks.. will mail him
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12:58:31GodEatertry not to cc: the rockbox-dev mailing list with your new password like safetydan did :)
12:59:15voltagexofftopic but if I want to automate a cvs/svn checkout, how do I supply my password?
12:59:37voltagex#cvs is dead
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13:00:16GodEateryou don't supply your password at all for checkout
13:01:09voltagexGodEater: this isn't for rockbox, the server asks for a password at login
13:01:29GodEaterthat's login - not checkout
13:01:44GodEaterAFAIU you only do that once
13:01:46voltagexok, my bad
13:02:05voltagexwell it isn't reading .cvspass for some reason
13:03:13GodEaterhow do you know ?
13:03:39voltagexit's still asking me for the password, when the password is in .cvspass ;)
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13:04:15GodEaterwhich OS ?
13:04:31voltagexos x, but a bog standard CVS afaik
13:04:44GodEaterdoes OSX have strace ?
13:05:05voltagexbash: strace: command not found
13:05:12GodEaterguess not then
13:05:23voltagexchecking the fink repository
13:05:42voltagexI can probably compile it
13:05:58n1sAny gigabeaters here that knows if Car adapter mode is working or included in the gigabeat builds
13:06:39GodEaterI wonder if I should mention to Llorean that I saw a Gigabeat going for $120 on ebay....
13:06:47GodEaterprobably it would upset him
13:06:54n1soohhh, cheap :-)
13:07:03voltagexGodEater: I've been watching them, they go for $100-200AUD
13:07:03GodEateryeah that's what I thought
13:07:14GodEaterI'd have bid myself but the shipping cost would have been silly to the UK
13:07:18voltagexmind if I /msg you?
13:07:21GodEaterthis was USD
13:07:36GodEateryou'll have a job - I've not identify'd :)
13:07:38voltagexthe shipping cost is silly to Australia, from Australia! ($25)
13:07:45voltagexoh
13:07:51voltagexdamn you *shakes fist*
13:07:59GodEatersorry - I'm kind of busy with something for paid work =/
13:07:59voltagexjust wanted to keep #rockbox ontopic
13:08:08voltagexseeing as I'm gonna be pasting straces :P
13:08:16GodEaterpastebin
13:08:23voltagexoh, well wheever you have time, I'm in no hurry
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13:21:01markunn1s: it shouldn't be working, but we probably can get it to work
13:21:26markunforget that, I think we need to have our bootloader in flash for that
13:23:50n1smarkun: ok, thanks, the changes proposed by alonoea included it.
13:23:55n1sin the manual
13:26:04tucozmidgey_: you can add yourself to the docs/CREDITS-MANUAL file.
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13:41:36preglowhmm, someone else than lostlogic also had a metadata on buffer patch
13:41:40preglowanyone remember who?
13:42:32Bagderrnico_p ?
13:42:38Nico_Pyes ?
13:42:41tucozpondlife?
13:42:49preglowi think it was either him or lowlight
13:43:15tucozno patch in the tracker i assume
13:43:38preglowdpm'
13:43:42preglowdon't think so, will look
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13:45:09linuxstb_I seem to recall lostlogic mentioning that there was some kind of patch in the wiki.
13:45:30n1shttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback
13:45:42n1sthere it is
13:46:33tucozyes. but is there a patch from the other attempt?
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13:48:53Nico_PBagderr: ?
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13:53:45Nico_Phmm no i didn't make a metadata on buffer patch
13:54:16Nico_Ptucoz: i don't think there were any other patches
13:54:28linuxstb_I think lowlight also did a patch.
13:55:06linuxstb_But I think neither of them worked reliably...
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14:19:34bluebrotherhuh? The front page says "SVN builds" while the manual page still has "CVS build" ... I assumed the menu to be a template
14:20:13n1sHmm, it seems like the automatic builds trigger on pure manual commits now...
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14:27:27Bagderrbluebrother: the makefile for the web site really stinks, that's why
14:27:40Bagderrn1s: yeah, I took the lazy route to start with and may address that later
14:28:30bluebrotherah. How good I'm far enough away to not smell it ;-)
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14:30:39bluebrotherBagderr: regarding tools/release −− from what I can see the version information isn't stored in apps/version.h any more, so it should create docs/VERSION, right?
14:31:17Bagderryes, sounds right
14:31:44bluebrotherok. I'll be offline for the weekend, will look into it then
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15:27:52Bradleyhi all has anyone roxed their ipod nano here?
15:30:15markunBradley: what's the problem (no, I haven't but maybe I can help)
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15:36:58DataGhostthere.
15:37:01DataGhostthat exam wasn't so hard
15:37:09DataGhoststarted at 14:00 CET
15:37:15DataGhostI have to travel an hour by train
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15:43:42linuxstbmarkun: Why do you assume there's a problem? :)
15:44:15markunlinuxstb: yes, stupid of me
15:44:29daurnimatorlinuxstb: hows the rocking
15:44:52linuxstbWaiting for a new box to rock.
15:45:32markunlinuxstb: the Elio?
15:45:47daurnimatorstill!
15:47:12linuxstbmarkun: An Archos AV320 (to be upgraded with a 160GB drive).
15:47:25Bradleyoww i got the -1 error. i have to check ive done everything right...
15:47:37linuxstbBradley: Section 2.2.2 of the manual is your friend.
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16:03:39kjkhi
16:03:42kjkanyone here?
16:03:49bluebrotherno
16:03:51daurnimatorno
16:03:53kjklmfao
16:04:02kjkhow can i charge my iPod Video staying in rockbox?
16:04:36bluebrotherhold the correct button while inserting the charger cable
16:04:44linuxstbMenu.
16:04:44bluebrotheriirc it was select, but I don't know ...
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16:05:10kjkalright, thanks
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16:05:21Bradleywell, i got it working on my ipod nano
16:05:31Bradleycheers
16:05:44Bradleynow i need to put a few mp3s on it
16:06:08Bradleyand the what ive been wanting to do all alon: PLAY LOSSESSS CD on it!
16:06:29linuxstbJust what the Nano was designed for...
16:06:52Bradleythe installer really needs a front end though - i might be able to help with that
16:07:14kclaf2K7the Nano is that player with 200GB, right ?
16:07:29Bradley:)
16:07:54Bradleymines a 1st gen 4GB
16:08:10linuxstbBradley: One is in progress - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
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16:08:23Bradleyoh ok - great!
16:08:26*bluebrother starts to hate programming on windows
16:08:36linuxstbbluebrother: Then don't...
16:09:07Bradleyhehe - most people here are 'nix es yes?
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16:09:23linuxstbNot really.
16:09:25bluebrotherI need to have this thing running on windows ... Uni is really contaminated by windows :(
16:09:47bluebrotherbut ... I could grab rbtool and wxwidgets and try to have some fun with that during the weekend
16:12:11Bradleyok :)
16:12:36Bradleyow man rockbox is great!
16:12:51markunBradley: good to hear you like it!
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16:18:14impsyhmm you know how you can use themes for the whats playing screen, why is some of my text always cut off behind other things
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16:19:41bluebrotherimpsy: have you installed the fonts package?
16:20:27Bradleya bit off topic: anyone know of a good flac CD ripper for windose
16:20:46linuxstbEAC is generally considered the best, at least in terms of quality.
16:20:54bluebrotherI usually use CDex. No idea if it can produce flac ...
16:21:41impsyhmm i dont think so
16:21:56impsyCan I still install it now?
16:22:02Mikachurip to wav and encode to flac with anything else otherwise
16:22:57amiconnEAC can use some encoder dlls / acms, and also allows to use any commandline encoder you want
16:24:59FebsDoesn't CDex also allow the use of a command line encoder? If so, then it can encode to FLAC.
16:25:59FebsI haven't used it in quite a while so I don't remember.
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16:27:09Bradleyok. ill look for EAC. id prefer to rip direct from CD to FLAC for best quality though - cheers
16:27:40markunBradley: without 'transcoding' from WAV? :)
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16:29:23robin0800Foobar2000 Audio formats supported: MP1, MP2, MP3, MP4, MPC, AAC, Ogg Vorbis, FLAC / Ogg FLAC, WavPack, WAV, AIFF, AU, SND, CDDA, WMA.
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16:30:57markunrobin0800: so?
16:31:09n1srockbox should support CDDA too!
16:31:15n1s:-P
16:31:20Bradleymarkun, isnt the best way to rip straight from the source?
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16:31:42n1sBradley, Waw is generally uncompressed PCM −− no quality loss
16:31:48n1sWav
16:31:51markunBradley: WAV and flac are both lossless. You can change from one to the other as much as you like
16:32:13markunn1s: yes, you are more correct as WAV is a container format
16:32:53robin0800markum in preferences converter sayes flac level 5
16:33:02Bradleybut don't you get compound-errors when you convert between WAV and FLAC ?
16:33:11markunBradley: no
16:33:52linuxstbYou can go from WAV -> FLAC -> WAV as many times as you like and have identical WAV files - that's the definition of lossless.
16:34:22FebsThink of FLAC as the audio equivalent of ZIP or RAR.
16:34:27GodEaterBradley: lossless = no information is lost.
16:34:30markunBradley: just don't do the same thing with lossy compression like mp3 or vorbis
16:37:24DataGhostAlso very funny when you see someone transcode a 64kbps mp3 into 320kbps
16:37:32DataGhostand then he tells you he notices a difference in soundquality!
16:37:38DataGhostthe 320kbps sounds a lot better!!11
16:37:52DataGhostUsually I just let him believe that :')
16:38:10n1sWell that is what really matters after all
16:38:22Mikachumaybe he likes the sound of mp3 artifacts
16:38:27DataGhost:P
16:38:32Bradleyok cheers
16:38:37markunDataGhost: I saw some posts about how crappy ogg vorbis was because when he converted his mp3s they sounded worse
16:38:49DataGhostwell, there are a lot of 'stupid' people in the world, at least people who are convinced they are right
16:39:22DataGhostsomeone @ university, doing computer science... claims a non-native (1280x1024 instead of 1400x1050) resolution is much better on a laptop
16:39:39n1smarkun: do you mind if I #if 0 out utf16decode() in unicode.c it isn't used anywhere?
16:39:39Bradleyim really into quality music- i use 320K mps (when i HAVE TO use mp3 that is)
16:39:49DataGhostbecause on 1400x1050 it flickers (??????) and "it's not good for your screen to have it running at the highest resolution"
16:40:01DataGhostI did try to tell him the truth but he won't believe me
16:40:06MikachuDataGhost: maybe he read that about crts in PC Expert
16:40:12markunn1s: what does the FAT code use?
16:40:15DataGhosthehe I guess so yes
16:40:21DataGhostoh yes and it's not good for your eyes either
16:40:37Mikachuwhen people read stuff in a computer magazine they won't believe the opposite no matter if you prove it
16:40:40DataGhostI pointed out that his entire screen was blurred (well, that's how I noticed it in the first place) but he couldn't see a difference
16:40:41n1smarkun: dunno but rockbox compiles an d runs fine without it
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16:41:30DataGhostbut I guess that's why 2/3 of all students fail in the first year :P
16:41:37Mikachuin one swedish pc mag, they claimed gf2mx chips were regular gf2 chips clocked lower
16:41:50Mikachusounding all professional, talking about production yields and stuff
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16:42:15n1smarkun: seems to use utf8 functions in fat.c
16:43:21FebsBradley: you might be able to save yourself a lot of space by doing an ABX test.
16:43:31Bradleyi cant fine EAC - well i found a downloadsite but the links are broken
16:43:54BradleyABX test?>
16:44:01FebsEAC: http://www.exactaudiocopy.com/
16:44:06FebsABX test is a double blind test.
16:44:23FebsCompare a lossless file against a compressed file like an MP3 without knowing which is which.
16:44:36robin0800try foobar2000
16:44:41markunn1s: I'm pretty sure it used to use my utf16LEdecode function
16:44:58FebsMy guess is that you wouldn't be able to distiguish a decent MP3 from the original at compression levels far less than 320kbps.
16:45:27DataGhostI read a test about that once
16:45:37DataGhost64-320kbps + original, tested by 5 people
16:45:49n1smarkun: I'm not going to remove the LE and BE functions, those are used at least in id3.c but the general utf16decode, as it isn't used.
16:45:52DataGhostall tracks were burned on a CD in random order so they couldn't tell which
16:46:06DataGhostfor pop music, 64kbps turned out to be the best quality :')
16:46:12markunn1s: how many bytes do you save by removing it?
16:46:23DataGhostand for the rest ~192 kbps was the limit
16:46:24n1sabout 100 on h300 :-)
16:46:39Mikachu5 people is hardly a basis for a scientific study
16:46:54DataGhostMikachu it was published in a computer mag... nuff said :)
16:46:57Mikachuah
16:47:19FebsHydrogen Audio tests show that LAME -V5 is transparent for most people.
16:47:28FebsThat bitrate averages around ~132kbps.
16:47:35DataGhosthm
16:47:40Bradleydepends on your hearing ability - but mostly the quality of your equipment (imho)
16:47:49DataGhostindeed
16:47:54FebsI disagree.
16:47:59DataGhostI can hear the difference between 128 and 192kbps
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16:48:02DataGhostwithout knowing
16:48:16DataGhostusually I hear 'crappy sound', then I check my mp3 player and see it's 128 kbps
16:48:24FebsThat's meaningless.
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16:48:47FebsIf the 128kbps file was encoded in 1999 by a poor encoder, it has no relation to the quality you might expect today from LAME 3.97.
16:48:57DataGhostwell, I never get mp3s lower than 192kbps
16:49:05markunFebs: and when you can hear the difference between 192 and 32 kbps? :)
16:49:13DataGhostso the 128kbps ones I have must have slipped through my checks :)
16:49:53BradleyFebs, i couldnt find EAC on the URL ??
16:50:16BradleyFebs, i couldnt find EAC on that URL you gave me
16:50:27FebsEAC=Exact Audio Copy.
16:50:43FebsThat url *is* EAC.
16:51:07Bradleyyar i know but i cant navigate anywhere to donwload it
16:51:09FebsWait.
16:51:13FebsSorry.
16:51:13Bradleyok
16:51:33Mikachuthere's a hell of a difference between a 128kbps cbr file and a lame encoded ~128kbps quality based file
16:51:40Febshttp://exactaudiocopy.org/
16:51:49Febs(.org, not .com) My mistake.
16:51:58Mikachuit's likely vbr at 128 is better than cbr at 160 and even 192 for some music styles
16:52:11BradleyFebs, the links are broken there
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16:53:47Bradleyits funny how life treats you - i envisaged spending 4 hours to get Rockbox running and 15 mins to rip a CD to FLAC, but it took 15 mins to get RockBox going sweet and 3 hours to find a FLAC CD ripper
16:54:10Mikachuheh
16:54:24Bradleydoes anyone do FLAC cd ripping at all?
16:54:25Mikachuin linux you can just apt-get/emerge/whatever abcde
16:54:46Mikachu</advertisement>
16:55:02hcsI do, but using cdparanoia and the command line flac encoder
16:55:41FebsBradley: I do.
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16:56:10Bradleyhcs, it that for windows? if so where can i get that tool?
16:56:30hcsBradley: not to my knowledge, is a linux tool, I use EAC when in windows
16:56:46Bradleyah
16:57:23StalwartBradley: i used cdparanoia + flac
16:57:38Stalwartcommand line tools, i'm sure they're available for windows too
16:57:55markunn1s: bastard :)
16:58:21robin0800foobar2000 definately works and yes straight fom cd 4 mins for 20 tracks
16:58:43n1smarkun: when you dind't object... :-)
16:59:23MikachuBradley: tried these too? http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/eac6b.html
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17:00:48idnarI use jack in Debian
17:00:53idnar(which also doesn't help you)
17:01:00FebsBradley: do you have an email address you can provide to me where you can receive a ~2mb file?
17:01:40n1sthe links mikach posted work fine here
17:02:27Bradleyfebs sure - bradnerdhss@hotmail.com
17:03:18robin0800ive tried eac and to be honest it may be best but its not the easiest and i have found it abit buggy
17:03:19Bradleyfor the moment ill rip to WAV via windows media player - then use the FLAC tools from the website to convert to FLAC
17:03:46*Bagder reads the XSPF specs and shakes head
17:03:58Bagderxml...
17:04:04robin0800http://www.foobar2000.org/
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17:05:04robin0800one step conversion and replay gain too
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17:05:56Bradleyobin0800, ok ill give it a go
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17:07:18robin0800robin0800@hotmail.co.uk if you have problems
17:09:37amiconnBradley: http://www.digital-world.de/downloads/audio/software/1253089/index.html
17:11:19amiconnHmm, that doesn't work, but Mikachu's link does
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17:15:12Bradleyrobin0800, cheers - its working
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17:16:00Bradleyamiconn, thoes links don't work
17:16:19amiconnThey're working here
17:16:20Bradleynev mind gents - im using foobar2000
17:16:49DataGhostwhoa that was freaky
17:17:07DataGhostmy iPod just beeped for no apparent reason? at the same time my cam shut itself down because the batteries were dead
17:17:19Bradleyrobin0800, quick question- whats the 'Level 5' mean in the FLAC settings ?
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17:19:50robin0800I don't know
17:20:10linuxstbBradley: It's the compression level. 5 is the default, but I use 8 for all my FLAC encodes. The higher the level, the longer the encoding time, and the smaller the resulting file.
17:20:34robin0800it is adjustable though from i to 9
17:21:07GodEaterlinuxstb: how long does your machine take to compress a typical 4 minute tune at that level ?
17:21:08linuxstbFrom 0-8.
17:21:14MikachuBagder: it's crazy
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17:21:28MikachuBagder: they are like "if the filenames don't match exactly it should work anyway"
17:21:42linuxstbGodEater: I don't know. I think it's slower than the actual ripping though.
17:21:57GodEaterbut not by much if you're not sure ;)
17:22:21Mikachusecondly, filenames can be arbitrary bytes except 0x00 and 0x2F, but xml only allows a specified charset, so you have to invent some private way to encode bytes in xml, and that definitely doesn't make it exchangeable
17:22:27BagderMikachu: I didn't even other to read that much
17:22:30Bagderbother
17:22:32robin0800at 5 20tracks took 4mins
17:22:34Mikachuaudacious uses it
17:22:46Mikachui had to hack it a bit to make it actually save my filenames properly
17:22:55Mikachuthey use url encoding for all filenames now :)
17:23:00Bagderhaha
17:23:11Mikachuso the .xspf files are like 4x as large as the .m3u file
17:23:21Mikachuand i doubt anything else will find the files
17:25:23preglowthey're xml...
17:26:42Mikachuyes, that provides the first 3x :)
17:26:44Bagderxml but with added encoding on the filenames
17:27:23Bradleybut the quality of flac remains the same no matter what level you choose - right? Its just the file compression - nothing to do with the audio - am i right?
17:27:34preglowBradley: correct, hence lossless
17:27:35n1syes, correct
17:27:51MikachuBagder: here is a sample playlist entry http://gentoo.pastebot.ath.cx/3
17:28:04Bradleyah ok cheers. i think im becomming to understand now
17:28:05Bagderhahahaha
17:28:12BagderI love it
17:28:22hcs*shudder*
17:28:30robin0800it would appear to take almost twice as long for 8
17:29:06*Bagder goes to make food
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17:30:16Bradleywell im now listenning to jean michelle jarre in FLAC on my ipod nano thanks to RockBox !
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17:31:01Bradleyits amazing what the developers have done!
17:31:47Bradleylater all, and thanks for all the help
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17:32:11webguest55http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/songdbj/
17:32:55webguest55are this dir still needed since new database, strange to see yet java files ;)
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17:33:27webguest55s/are/is
17:33:28n1sMaybe someone can make it work with the new database
17:34:04webguest55but it's obsolete now, the tagcache made what that database made
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17:34:26linuxstbThere's already a C version - tools/database.c (but I think it still needs some work...)
17:34:29preglowany lords of c++ here? :-/
17:35:01webguest55linuxstb: then remove those unusable files?
17:35:33webguest55linuxstb: wasn't tagcache suposed to replace this db version?
17:35:53linuxstbYes, it has.
17:36:29webguest55cause this dir http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/songdbj/, is plenty of subdirs with plenty of files, for nothing ;)
17:36:48n1swebguest55: Some users want to generate the database on a computer still and that tool could possibly be adjusted to work.
17:37:33webguest55n1s: isn't Slasheri made some works for made it happen for tagcache too?
17:37:41linuxstbwebguest55: Yes, it's probably useless, but it doesn't do any harm there...
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17:38:18webguest55yeah indeed, just cleaning sources
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17:38:46n1swebguest55: That's what I mean, making it work with the new database (aka tagcache)
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17:39:16n1sNot that there semm to bee any interest from the developers....
17:39:36linuxstbWasn't someone from xmms2 working on integrating Rockbox support?
17:39:53webguest55linuxstb xmms2?
17:39:57n1syes, I remember that tooo
17:39:58*webguest55 googles
17:40:01n1s-o
17:41:05Mikachulinuxstb: DraX
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17:41:14Mikachu21:29 <DraX> i'm writing a xmms2 <-> rockbox syncer
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17:43:29webguest55I wanted to look at playback engine, but seems a big beast and not very easy code to understand :(
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17:51:59preglowoh, woe
17:52:05preglowwhy can't linux have a good music player
17:52:07preglowapart from the rockbox sim
17:52:20Mikachuyou should write one!
17:52:41n1slets port rockbox to x86!
17:53:21XavierGrif only foobar was ported to linux
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17:53:34XavierGradd to that media player classic :P
17:54:59*GodEater likes both amarok and mplayer
17:55:25rp-quod libet is a nice player for linux
17:55:41GodEaternot my favourite - bit too simple for me
17:56:19GodEaterfor simplicity I favour mpd and emphasis
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17:59:59*Febs has the flu and goes to the medicine cabinet for cough medicine. :(
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18:02:21*n1s drank lots of beer yesterday and has a hangover...
18:02:34linuxstbAt least xmms2 seems to play FLAC gaplessly, so it does one thing right.
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18:07:55Nico_Plinuxstb: i just saw your comment on the cuesheet tracker entry
18:08:46Nico_Pfor the two cues in memory, the assumption is that mp3s described bu cuesheets are long so we'll rarely have more than two cuesheets to store
18:09:04Nico_Pbut i agree it's not general enough and doesn't work for SPC files
18:09:36Nico_Por SID files i mean... anyway smaller files with cuesheet type info in them
18:09:56linuxstbOr even the 64MB targets with MP3s...
18:10:03Nico_Palso yes
18:10:48Nico_Pand about the "mp3 looks for cue" technique, LinusN seemed to be rather in favor of the one i use currently, so i didn't really know what to do about that and focused on other things
18:11:29Nico_Pbefore thinking of integrating it better into the current system i need to have it work properly
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18:12:31Mikachuit would be nice if you could playlist specific subtracks as well
18:12:51Mikachunot that i'm likely to, but if i have a bunch of .nsf, i probably don't want to hear 5 minutes of sound effects
18:12:59Nico_PMikachu: that's another different issue
18:13:08Mikachui'm just putting it out there
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18:13:53Nico_Plinuxstb: about memory management... what are my options ? besides implementing metadata on buffer i mean... ;)
18:14:03Nico_Pusing the plugin buffer ?
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18:14:30n1sbut what if the user starts a pliugin then?
18:15:05Nico_Pn1s: i know but it's about the only solution i can think if
18:15:56Nico_Pn1s: plugins don't necesseraly use the whole plugin buffer, do they ?
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18:16:10Nico_Perr that wasn't specifically for you, n1s
18:16:16n1sdunno, but some do and I think the loader clears the whole buffer
18:16:27Mikachuthe loader only clears the bss section
18:16:45Nico_Pwell i might need to reload the cuesheets after the plugin is exited then
18:16:47Nico_Pbss ?
18:17:04Mikachuzero-initialized memory segment
18:17:17Mikachui thought
18:17:34linuxstb_Nico_P: I don't think there are any other options...
18:18:07Mikachuyou could invent a new memory segment
18:18:15Mikachubut that might be considered a waste by some :)
18:18:26linuxstb_Does the current implementation work if you try and buffer 3 short files with cuesheets?
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18:18:48Nico_Plinuxstb_: it will spin the disk to read the third
18:19:07linuxstb_I can live with that, as long as it works reliably.
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18:19:32Nico_Pthat's what i thought... especially as cues are most used with long files
18:20:26rp-ha mpegplugin is working on the sansa, except sound
18:20:39linuxstb_You found the blocking bug?
18:21:36rp-actually not really, but i tried another mpg file in this looks ok, no pixel errors or something like that
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18:22:08rp-and with the elefant .mpg file from the wiki i got those errors
18:22:31linuxstb_Did you try different size Elephants Dream files?
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18:22:56linuxstb_Also, did you try the COP patch?
18:23:09rp-128x128 and 224x176
18:23:49rp-yesterday i patched my source but i don't think it worked, had no performance increase, but i didn't have a closer look at it
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18:24:56linuxstb_rp-: It's probably worth talking to dan_a or barrywardell about it.
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18:25:15Nico_Plinuxstb_: would using the plugin buffer be an acceptable (temporary until metadata on buffer arrives) solution in order to get my album art patch in SVN ?
18:25:28Nico_Pand maybe also for the cuesheet patch, i don't know
18:26:46rp-ok i will, with the video i have no proplems is not downsized and i get only 13 frames, maybe the lcd update timing creates these errors, but i will talk about it with dan_a
18:27:30linuxstb_I would like to see your album art patch in SVN, but using the plugin buffer just seems to be adding complexity. You need to deal with the case where the plugin buffer is being used when the album art should be being buffered...
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18:28:28linuxstb_Nico_P: What is the cost in terms of memory with your current album art patch?
18:29:35Nico_Pthe current one uses the WPS image buffer and puts only one bitmap at a time in there
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18:29:46Nico_Pso it spins the disk each time a new bitmap is needed
18:29:52linuxstb_What about the id3 structure?
18:30:23Nico_Pplacing a bitmap in there would mean reserving space for 32 different bitmaps
18:30:43linuxstb_I mean do you add fields to the id3 structure? e.g. the bmp filename?
18:30:49Nico_Pah sorry
18:30:52Nico_Pyes
18:31:34Nico_Pthe bmp is looked for in get_metadata
18:31:52linuxstb_I was thinking that you could remove that filename, and just use a single byte instead - e.g. 0 means cover.bmp in the same directory, 1 means same name as current track etc. Would that work?
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18:32:30linuxstb_(and another value for "no bitmap")
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18:33:47preglowMAN, c++ can be so annoying
18:33:48roolkulinuxstb_ Nico_P: like 3_lyrics+albumart.patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6301
18:34:11Nico_Plinuxstb_: that's a good idea yes
18:35:19Nico_Pand if we do cuesheet your way it would also save quite a bit of memory (down from MAX_PATH to a bool)
18:35:37Nico_P* 32
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18:40:08linuxstb_For cuesheet we would need None/Internal/External
18:40:24Nico_Pthat's true
18:40:41linuxstb_But yes, cuesheets could work that way as well.
18:41:17Nico_Pwhat's the smallest possible type besides a bool or a char ?
18:41:40linuxstb_There isn't one. And depending on the alignment needs for other variables in the struct, a bool/char may need more than one byte.
18:42:11Nico_Pok, so what's the best to use to store small values ? would a char be ok ?
18:42:31linuxstb_Yes, I think so.
18:42:36Nico_Pok
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18:42:49Nico_Pand is an enum automatically an int ?
18:43:07linuxstb_I'm not sure...
18:43:11Nico_Por is it optimised to take as less as possible ?
18:43:29Nico_Pas little as possible i mean
18:44:05Nico_Pthat's something i've been wondering (because of the WPS tokenizer)
18:45:10linuxstb_I guess it will also depend if gcc is optimising for speed or space - chars can sometimes be slower to deal with than ints.
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18:46:59linuxstbAlso, I think that a first commit of album art would probably need to be without the bmp resize patch. I don't think amiconn was happy with how that was implemented.
18:47:25linuxstbBut I'm definitely in favour of committing album art if the impact on non album-art users is minimal.
18:48:21linuxstbThe efficiency of album art itself can then be improved when/if metadata-on-buffer is implemented.
18:48:57Nico_Plinuxstb: i agree about the bmp resize... anyway it's no longer in sync with SVN because of the big changes amiconn made to BMP handling a while ago
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18:49:16Nico_Pit used a pretty bad resizing algorithm
18:50:59Nico_Pso what should i go for ? buffer_alloc with an onn/off option like for the cuesheets (that would require a much bigger buffer but album art users are probably willing to sacrifice the file buffer), the plugin buffer, or the current system (which i don't like much) ?
18:52:25linuxstbWould buffer_alloc store 32 bitmaps?
18:52:44Nico_Pall have different issues... i don't really see which could be the best. Maybe a combination of two, like plugin buffer + wps image buffer for the current bitmap (to avoid it getting overwritten by a plugin)
18:53:00Nico_Plinuxstb: no idea... plus it depends on the size of the bitmaps
18:53:15Nico_Pwhich varies with the size of the target's screen
18:53:46linuxstbDo you know if the wps is loaded before or after buffer_alloc is available?
18:53:47Nico_Pand there is also the possiblity of having many times the same bitmap for the buffered tracks
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18:55:53perl|workdoes the album art patch spins the disk on every track now?
18:56:14Nico_Pperl|work: curently it spins the disk each time the bitmap changes
18:56:26perl|worki was doing the battery bench with it, though the tracks in the playlist didnt have any art, so im wondering...
18:56:54Nico_Pperl|work: then it probably didn't change anything to the result
18:56:57Nico_Por did it ?
18:57:28perl|workhard to say now, it was the bench with the newly implemented cpu scaling for the gigabeat target
18:57:37perl|worki got less hours than usual
18:57:58perl|workjust wanted to rule out AA patch from it
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19:00:13perl|workcan't wait for the cue sheet support :)
19:00:54Nico_Plinuxstb: i'm not sure when the WPS is initialised
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19:02:39linuxstbIt's probably when the settings are loaded.
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19:03:54linuxstbLooking at apps/main.c, gui_sync_wps_init() is called immediately after settings_load(), so I'm guessing we will know the size of the album art image at a time when we could buffer_alloc() 32 of them (if we wanted to go that route).
19:04:07linuxstbBut it does seem a waste...
19:09:07Nico_Plinuxstb: you mean the WPS has already been parsed at that time ?
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19:13:02linuxstb_Nico_P: I think so, yes.
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19:30:33lexyay senab is back
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19:35:39eskorpianhi all
19:36:10eskorpianjust read about your SW in the Popular Science mag
19:36:10eskorpianvery nice
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19:36:31eskorpianjust wanted to find out if yr sw is available for the Creative Zen?
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19:38:55Ghoulunathey everyone
19:39:01Febseskorpian: no.
19:39:38eskorpianok
19:39:50eskorpianis there any plans to make it for the Zen?
19:40:34FebsWe don't "plan" to make Rockbox available for any particular platform. If someone wants to do it, they do.
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19:41:28GhoulunatI've got a few questions about the new Gigabeat build
19:41:28eskorpianok
19:41:33eskorpianthx
19:41:33FebsThere has been some discussion of that platform. You can read this forum thread for more information: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0
19:41:51Ghoulunatok, thanks
19:41:58Ghoulunatoh, whoops
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19:43:40perl|workGhoulunat what is the question?
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19:49:02Ghoulunatwell, I installed the new build today
19:49:10Ghoulunatand it just acts weird
19:49:20Ghoulunatit won't save my theme settings
19:49:37Ghoulunatand when I try to play songs I get some weird bar across the bottom that fluctuates back and forth
19:49:48Ghoulunatand when it hits the right side of the screen, the song stops
19:49:54Ghoulunatand then it goes back and the song plays again
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19:55:03perl|workGhoulunat when was the last time you updated the bootloader?
19:55:27perl|workalso, i suggest to make the battery reset before booting
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19:56:26perl|workyou seem to have an old scrolling bug which was fixed 2 days ago
19:56:41GhoulunatI just updated this morning
19:56:44Ghoulunatwell, not the bootloader
19:57:24perl|workmake sure you're using the latest bootloader and do the battery reset
19:57:31Ghoulunatwhere do I get said bootloader?
19:57:50perl|workhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort
19:57:53perl|workbottom of the page
19:58:24Ghoulunatok thanks
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20:03:35perl|workGhoulunat any better?
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20:04:32Ghoulunatworking on it, where do I put the splash?
20:05:31Ghoulunatbootsplash.raw
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20:08:09Alonearoot folder e.g L:\
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20:10:11perl|workGhoulunat root folder yes
20:10:24perl|workhey alison
20:10:28perl|workhows it going
20:12:02Aloneawell, I am freezing my arse off down here . Should probably put a sweater on. Just waiting for my cable to get here really. Also sorta watching this thing about China on tv.
20:12:42Ghoulunatthe peakmeter thing is still there
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20:13:06perl|workdid you do the battery reset?
20:13:23Ghoulunatyeah
20:13:29GhoulunatI did it when I first installed the new firmware
20:13:38Ghoulunatit's not skipping anymore
20:13:44Ghoulunatok, now let me see if it will keep my theme
20:14:21perl|workwell you have to do the battery reset again if you installed the new bootloader
20:14:29GhoulunatI did
20:14:32perl|workok good
20:14:49perl|workit might reset the settings after 1st power off
20:15:08Ghoulunatwhere are the themes?
20:15:11perl|workjust apply them again and everything will work from that point on
20:15:13Ghoulunatrockbox-themes.org?
20:15:18perl|workyes
20:15:33Aloneayeah, anytime you do the battery reset youwill have to reset the time usually, but that is all I ever notice that is reset
20:15:51perl|workAlonea sometimes it resets again after 1st power off
20:16:09perl|workmaybe not anymore but did in the past
20:16:49Ghoulunatok
20:16:55GhoulunatI'm restarting it atm
20:16:59Ghoulunatok it kept
20:17:01Ghoulunatnow for new themes
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20:22:57Ghoulunatsome of the themes dont' work
20:23:01Ghoulunatthey won't unzip
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20:26:46Aloneawhich theme will not unzip?
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20:28:49Ghoulunatjust a sec
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20:29:03GhoulunatPixel and Yellowprint I think
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20:29:35RedbrevaGive me a minute, and I will upload a re-compressed version...
20:29:43Ghoulunatok
20:30:31RedbrevaI have just started to use Winzip 11, and it's default compression seems to be not very compatible :-(
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20:30:43ender`www.7-zip.org
20:30:49perl|workhmm everything works for me in winrar
20:30:52Mikachuyeah, winzip is pretty much obsolete
20:31:03ender`or winrar if you really want to use shareware
20:31:05Ghoulunatlol
20:31:08Mikachuheh
20:31:23amiconnfilzip is freeware
20:31:25n1s What do i do when dsfsck tells me it doesn't support 191 FATs when running it on my h300?
20:31:28Aloneaok just checked yellowprint and it does not unzip for me either
20:31:34Mikachu7zip is free as in speech
20:32:50Aloneathough pixel did work
20:32:57Ghoulunatdidn't work in winrar for Yellowprint
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20:34:58Aloneaso far it just seems the Yellowprint will not extract correctly...
20:35:08Redbrevahmm, seems that it has an 'adaptive' mode and changes the compression scheme for each file in the archive depending on what compresses it the best... Just re-loading all the GB zips now..
20:35:36RedbrevaOK, they should be done now
20:35:57Aloneasays File skipped unknown compression method. ok, thanks Redbreva
20:37:20Aloneait works now.
20:38:44RedbrevaHmm, time to junk Winzip I think....
20:39:45Ghoulunatyeah lol
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21:30:49jackfusionhi all
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21:31:39jackfusiondose editting the viwer.config on the ipod work?
21:31:50Mikachuyes, but you have to reboot to take effect
21:34:25jackfusionhow do u get the mpegplayer to play avi files?
21:34:40linuxstb_Convert them to .mpg files.
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21:34:50jackfusionok
21:36:40jackfusionwhen I turn on my ipod and set it to hold right away the settings get cleared why?
21:37:11goffajackfusion: they are supposed to
21:37:11linuxstb_Because that's how you clear the settings.
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21:37:26DataGhosthaha
21:37:44jackfusionthen how do u load the apple firmware
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21:38:04DataGhostrewind button?
21:38:10DataGhostoh wait I'm in #rockbox
21:39:46BiptoNw1ll14m are you here?
21:40:49Mikachujackfusion: turn hold on earlier :)
21:40:59n1sjackfusion: set hold, then power on to get to apple firmwarwe
21:41:03dewdudejackfusion, that's strange...because my 5.5g loads apple if you turn hold on right away..however, i updated my bootloader last month for coprocessor support
21:41:16DataGhostn1s question: how do you power on with the hold button on? :P
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21:41:34n1soh, I thought it was purely software hol
21:41:38n1sd
21:41:45jackfusionI have 5g
21:41:56n1sdo what the others said
21:42:10Mikachuyou can put the cable in to turn it on
21:42:11n1sany ata.c wizards here
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21:42:26DataGhostheh, I'm just reading it
21:42:33DataGhostI'm hardly a wizard yet :P
21:43:06linuxstb_jackfusion: Is your Rockbox bootloader showing white text on a black background, or back text on a pale blue background?
21:43:50jackfusionpress and hold menu to get into the apple firmware.
21:43:53n1sDataGhost: The problem is that whit ata poweroff enabled on h10 the first read after poweron fails. It sounds to me like it is trying to read too soon, increasing the READ_TIMEOUT didn't help...
21:44:50barrywardelln1s: i've just been reading the bug report
21:44:54DataGhostoh and I don't have a h10, whatever that may be :)
21:45:14amiconnIriver h10, pp5020 based
21:45:42n1sbarrywardell: do you mean the patch? If so my last post there is the only thing I can think of
21:45:59barrywardelln1s: might be worth adding a sleep(HZ*2) into ide_power_enable() in firmware/target/arm/iriver/power-h10.c
21:46:08barrywardellor maybe a longer delay
21:46:19amiconn2 seconds???
21:46:35n1sDataGhost: the problem is that I don't have one either
21:46:40DataGhosthehe
21:46:41barrywardelljust for testing purposes
21:47:14BiptoNbarry is it possible to move the ata thread to the cop ?
21:47:20DataGhostand I'm not even entirely sure yet how ata works
21:47:36DataGhostbut if it's trying to read too soon, could it be possible that the request is 'ignored' until the drive is ready?
21:47:45DataGhostwhich would lead to a sleep() indeed :)
21:47:59n1syes, but it will timeout
21:48:05amiconnThe drive should set busy until it's ready
21:48:15barrywardellBiptoN: i don't know. i'm really not the person to ask about that
21:48:35DataGhostshould
21:48:41amiconnBiptoN: Why would you want to do that?
21:48:53DataGhostI've seen enough in the last few days to not trust 'should' things with drives :P
21:49:01amiconnThe ata thread has _very_ little to do
21:49:59BiptoNwell, the codec "seems" to take alot more cpu to run and me and william were thinkin of chnagin the speed to 1/2 so maybe less intensive things could run on it
21:50:01BiptoNexactly
21:50:16BiptoNif it has little to do it could run on the cop at 1/2 speed right?
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21:51:28[IDC]Dragonhi rockbox!
21:51:53n1shi rockboxer
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21:57:57jackfusionthank u all for ur help.
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22:06:43goffaipod? rockboy?
22:06:43goffahttp://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/iboy-classic-gameboy-ipod-case-229985.php
22:06:45goffathe next logical step
22:11:05dewdudehow well does arm7 emulate z80?
22:16:46preglowwell enough
22:16:58dewdudegood to know.
22:16:59LloreanI'm not even sure on what scale "well" is being compared.
22:17:48Mikachu| |
22:17:53dewdudewell enough to emulate the 4.1mhz custom z80 in 75 mhz
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22:21:42preglowwell, that's quite a lot
22:21:55preglowit will be able to do that using interpreting, but not much else, i'd wager
22:23:10preglowgameboy uses a z80 clocked lower than that for its main cpu, so you could check out rockboy's performance as an indication as far as performance goes
22:23:49dewdude4.194304 MHz
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22:30:26preglowhmm, apparently
22:30:31preglowwell, then you have your answer :-)
22:30:51preglowand the current emulation core isn't even optimised for the arm, which it should be
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22:31:30linuxstb_pacbox emulates a 3.072MHz z80, and that seems to be comfortable on the PP.
22:31:58Mikachuwith the cop patch, does the cop boost/unboost?
22:32:04Mikachuand if not, what speed does it run at?
22:32:13LloreanMikachu: It follows the main processor's speed
22:32:20Mikachuah
22:32:30preglowit can't do anything else, afaik
22:32:51Lloreanpreglow: Supposedly with clock skipping it can also be 1/2 or 1/4 the main core's speed
22:32:53Bagderit can but we don't know how afaiu
22:33:03preglowLlorean: i though that was the other way around
22:33:09preglowLlorean: forget that, i'm wrong
22:33:35preglowgeeez, i'd love some pp docs
22:33:54GodEaterwouldn't we all
22:33:56GodEater=/
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22:36:13baseballluverHi, I'm having a spot of trouble with running rockbox.
22:37:18baseballluvercould I get some help?
22:37:30Lloreanbaseballluver: Well we don't know what your problem is yet.
22:37:35amiconnOh, hi [IDC]Dragon
22:37:42baseballluverHah, I wasn' sure if anyone was on
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22:38:07baseballluverall right, well, I'm running the command scripts to install it, but when I run "ipodpatcher" it can't find my ipod
22:38:44baseballluverany pointers?
22:39:10Lloreanbaseballluver: What kind of iPod do you have, and is it in disk mode?
22:39:11linuxstb_Windows, Mac, Linux? What's the command you're typing?
22:39:12GodEaterwhat flavour ipod have you got ?
22:39:28GodEaterthe three musketeers leap to the rescue....
22:39:31baseballluverI'm on Windows 2000, running a 30GB 5.5G ipod
22:39:46baseballluverand it's skittled-flavor.
22:39:59linuxstb_Are you running "ipodpatcher −−scan"
22:40:04baseballluveryes
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22:40:24linuxstb_Can you see it as a drive letter?
22:40:52baseballluverit says [ERR] nO IPODS FOUND
22:41:10baseballluverEr, [ERR] No ipods found.
22:41:18Lloreanbaseballluver: What drive is your iPod showing up as right before you do that?
22:41:33baseballluverI know what drive it's in, it's not showing up at all though
22:41:40baseballluverit's the K:\ drive.
22:42:14linuxstb_Is the Apple firmware working OK? Have you performed any mods to your ipod in the past?
22:42:43baseballluverI was trying to, but I ran into walls with the itunes 7.0 firmware upadater.
22:43:00baseballluverthis is my second ipod, and on the first ipod, I modded it a lot.
22:43:34linuxstb_So what did you do to this ipod?
22:44:08baseballluverI haven't been able to do anything with it thus far.
22:44:34baseballluverWhen I was trying to get past some authorization tags for games, I created some new folders, but they're empty.
22:45:15baseballluveractually, they're not empty, they have some games in them.
22:45:23baseballluverWill that affect the search at all?
22:46:12linuxstb_Does itunes recognise your ipod?
22:46:21baseballluveryes
22:46:36baseballluverit doesn't have any problems at all.
22:47:18[IDC]Dragonamiconn, I got bootbox down to about half its size
22:47:18linuxstb_Does ipodpatcher display the sector size of your ipod?
22:47:32baseballluverno, it just says:
22:47:41linuxstb_Yes, forget that...
22:47:55[IDC]Dragonwtf?
22:48:15baseballluversorry
22:48:19baseballluverI was going to typ ein what it said.
22:48:26[IDC]Dragonsomething's stuck here with me typing
22:48:59[IDC]Dragonah, now I see what I type
22:49:28linuxstb_baseballluver: Did you modify your firmware partition in any way?
22:50:06baseballluverOther than creating folders for games, and putting games in them, no.
22:51:04linuxstb_Do you have administrator rights?
22:51:24Mikachuhave we enabled disk mode in itunes already?
22:51:41preglow[IDC]Dragon: so how big is it now?
22:51:51linuxstb_Mikachu: "it's the K:\ drive"
22:52:04baseballluverLast time I checked it was
22:52:16baseballluverand I can run the program fine without administrator rights, it just doesn't find anything.
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22:52:37baseballluverI'm using the non-administrator account right now, lest I download something.
22:52:56Mikachulinuxstb_: he also said it didn't show up
22:52:56linuxstb_That's probably the problem - you need to have administrator rights.
22:53:21baseballluverreally? You mean it won't find anything without admin rights?
22:53:32baseballluverall right, I'll try running it with a different account.
22:53:46linuxstb_ipodpatcher needs raw access to the disk device.
22:54:09linuxstb_The instructions mention it...
22:54:28baseballluverwell, I saw that afterwards and didn't think it would affect it since it messed it up.
22:54:55[IDC]Dragonpreglow, about half the size, like I said, but checking now...
22:55:00baseballluverIs there a way to use the "run" program through a different user without having to log off?
22:55:10Mikachuyes, but i don't know how :)
22:55:25baseballluverah, then thanks, I'll come back in a minute.
22:55:27Mikachuis it w2k or wxp?
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22:55:37preglow[IDC]Dragon: yes, but i don't know how big it used to be :>
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22:57:00[IDC]Dragonhere I see one with 28892 bytes, that's what it use to be
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22:57:24[IDC]Dragonnow still looking for the newer one...
22:58:25[IDC]Dragonfound it, 15170 bytes
22:58:32n1snice
22:58:59[IDC]Dragonbut I broke something, USB is not detected
22:59:34[IDC]Dragongenerally, I don't like the "butchering" approach any more
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23:00:45[IDC]Dragonsize saturates bigger than it could, so I'm considering writing a new bootbox "from scratch", cannibalising from the existing Rockbox code
23:01:37[IDC]Dragonbootbox needs no threads, queues, etc.
23:02:03[IDC]Dragonand the file system code can be much simpler
23:02:55Zagor[IDC]Dragon: looking for new bugs to fix? ;)
23:03:03linuxstb_Wouldn;'t that mean it's no longer portable? Or is it already Archos specific anyway?
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23:04:15preglow[IDC]Dragon: oh, i already thought that was how it worked
23:06:45[IDC]DragonI already reduced a lot of stuff, e.g. the filesys is read only
23:07:18[IDC]Dragonbut I didn't touch "Rockbox fundamentals" so far, like threads, button queue
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23:08:06[IDC]Dragonit is still portable
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23:10:19[IDC]Dragonis CVS still around, read only?
23:10:19preglowyea
23:10:20preglowthey say so
23:10:35[IDC]Dragonso I can make a patch against it
23:10:42Zagornow, we moved it to avoid people grabbing it
23:11:20Zagors/now/no/
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23:13:05baseballluverOK, thanks guys, that worked. Do I need to stay on administrator for the rest of the installation?
23:13:22[IDC]Dragonwhere did it move to? Can I change my local CVS/Root tags to reach and diff it?
23:13:26linuxstb_No, just the ipodpatcher parts.
23:13:52baseballluverok, so once I know the disk device number (6), I can go onto the other account?
23:14:22n1sno need for disk number any more
23:14:28baseballluvereh?
23:14:56n1sif you've installed the bootloader, the rest is drag and drop a few files
23:15:12Zagor[IDC]Dragon: hmm, we actually never did move it. only discussed/decided to move. so you should be able to diff it right away.
23:15:24baseballluverbut I do need to know the disk number, right?
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23:15:28Zagortell me when you're done, I'll move it away then
23:15:42n1sbaseballluver: to install the bootloader, yes
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23:17:20linuxstb_baseballluver: Yes, any part of the installation that needs ipodpatcher needs admin rights.
23:20:04baseballluverah, dang it.
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23:21:21*n1s didn't know any windows users were actually using non-admin accounts if they had an option...
23:21:50[IDC]DragonZagor, I won't be done so soon, you probably want to move it before
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23:22:15dionoean1s: it's effective to fight against spyware and other unwanted stuff :)
23:22:15[IDC]DragonI'm fine as long as the place is public
23:22:38baseballluverand I take it that it's going to take a while to write 48132 sectors?
23:22:57n1sthat's like 100 megs
23:23:14baseballluverah, ok then.
23:23:17baseballluverdoo doo doo...
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23:25:15Zagor[IDC]Dragon: What is the reason you are diffing against cvs instead of svn?
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23:26:02[IDC]Dragontortoise cvs "pampering" me
23:26:59[IDC]Dragonit quickly shows me the modified files
23:27:26Zagorisn't the svn version as good? as I understand it you can simply copy tree into the svn checkout and keep working.
23:27:37[IDC]Dragonso I don't have to learn cvs/svn/diff command lines ;-)
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23:27:58[IDC]Dragonaha, ok
23:28:54baseballluverthanks, everybody!
23:29:52Zagorlinuxstb_: latest news: "19 jan kl 20:52 Stockholm Sdra, Frsndelsen har sorterats" :-)
23:30:20n1slate christmas presents?
23:30:39Zagorsomething like that, yeah
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23:32:36linuxstb_I assume that's good news?
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23:35:05jhMikeSpreglow: how do you write the assembly for a mac instruction with a scale factor?
23:35:43Zagorlinuxstb_: well, nothing special. just the next step in the chain.
23:36:09ZagorI just find it funny how limited it is to only offer the package tracker in swedish
23:36:42linuxstb_Yes, I noticed a lot of the site was in English.
23:37:22Zagorlots of the sales talk and pretty PDFs at least. but none of the actual functions, as far as I could see...
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23:43:15amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I wouldn't recommend tortoisesvn. It has problems regarding *nix versus windows line ends, more than the cvs version
23:43:54amiconnWell, you can use it if you switch your cygwin installation to windows line ends and then do everything in crlf locally
23:44:40amiconnEven though I usually prefer gui applications over the command line, tortoise is a thing I wouldn't want to use
23:45:14Zagorrequest for opinions: I intend to implement feature request #1569 (Short rewind on resume) by simply subtracting 64KB from the resume offset. this of course will cause different amount of rewind on different bitrates, but in my opinion exact rewind time isn't the point of the feature. and I think a setting selecting the amount of rewind is overkill, I'll rather just have a 1-bit on/off. does anyone disagree?
23:45:54linuxstb_Not all offsets are byte offsets AFAIK.
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23:46:08linuxstb_Some are in ms - it's codec dependant on swcodec.
23:46:25jhMikeSamiconn: I asked preglow about a question about how to specify an emac scale factor in assembly but I'm sure you know the answer too. :) Can't seem to find an example of it.
23:46:36MikachuZagor: doesn't the headphone patch already implement that?
23:46:42Zagorlinuxstb_: aha, I'll have to look at that then. thanks.
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23:46:57ZagorMikachu: I have no idea, I'll look at that too.
23:47:11Mikachuit lets you rewind a set number of seconds when you plug them in
23:47:19Mikachuthat code is probably not anywhere near the startup resume code though
23:47:25linuxstb_I'm not even sure we need an option though - why not just always rewind a little?
23:48:00*n1s votes for no option too
23:48:06Zagorlinuxstb_: I agree. I think :)
23:48:07Mikachuon headphone reinsert it would be annoying with always rewind
23:48:17Mikachuso please don't change that
23:48:26linuxstb_Yes, but headphone insert is normally a short pause.
23:48:35ZagorMikachu: is this patch committed or in the tracker?
23:48:41Mikachui'm not sure :)
23:48:44linuxstb_But I'm probably not the best person to comment, as I don't use either kind of resume...
23:48:47Zagorunpause != resume
23:48:52linuxstb_I thought it was in SVN ?
23:48:54Mikachui am almost sure it's in svn though
23:49:53Zagoryes it is: 'unplug_rw'
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23:50:06n1sWhat will it do if it rewinds past the start of the track?
23:50:18Zagorstart at beginning
23:50:21amiconnIf rewind on resume is going to be added, there should be an option
23:50:34n1ssounds good to me then :-)
23:50:35amiconnI often use resume, but I would never want it to rewind
23:51:19amiconnjhMikeS: No idea...
23:51:38Zagoramiconn: just to clarify, it won't rewind to start of the track. just a few seconds.
23:51:45amiconnI understand that
23:52:10n1sI don't think I would be able to tell if this feature was either on or off, often I don't even remember on which track I was
23:52:13amiconnResume should resume where I left off, not a few seconds back or forward
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23:52:36EnterUserNamehey all
23:52:41Mikachui see why it's useful for audiobooks
23:53:02ZagorMikachu: yes, that's what I want it for
23:53:14Mikachujust a thought, would it be easier to change the code that saves the resume point?
23:53:17EnterUserNameas there been any advancements in video for nano and using smaller video
23:53:19Genre9mp3yes it's very useful with audiobooks, so one can have an option for this
23:53:19EnterUserNamefiles
23:53:23EnterUserNameinstead of raw filesd
23:53:27amiconnI don't have audio book, but even if I would, I don't understand why resume should rewind
23:53:48Mikachuamiconn: if you read a book, to you resume at the exact same word, or a paragraph/page back?
23:53:48Zagoramiconn: so you remember where in the story you are
23:54:17n1sEnterUserName: The video was never raw, but now it has sound too :-)
23:54:21amiconnMikachu: I stop at chapter boundaries, and resume exactly where I left off
23:54:35EnterUserNameoh n1s: wasn't it large avi files where 20 minutes would be like 2 gigs
23:54:50GodEaterI stop wherever and pick up right where I left off
23:55:05EnterUserNameim wondering if it allows something like divx or something similiar..
23:55:10Genre9mp3and what if something interruots you while listening?
23:55:22Zagorwell, an option it is
23:55:26GodEaterI have a good memory =/
23:55:37amiconnEither I remember where I was (audio or printed book) then I would always want to resume exactly where I left off. Or I don't, then I would start over anyway
23:55:44n1sEnterUserName: Nope, the old ones were m2v, which is peg 2 video without sound, now we use mpg which is mpeg video with sound
23:55:58n1sand no divx/xvid
23:56:04EnterUserNamehmm
23:56:08amiconnThe latter would take several weeks to apply (that I don't remember where I left off)
23:56:09EnterUserNamempg.. how big of a file is that..
23:56:17EnterUserNamefor 20 mins..
23:56:21linuxstb_As big or as small as you want it...
23:56:30n1sDepends a lot on bitrate
23:56:42EnterUserNamehmm thank you.. its been a whuile since i used it.. i'll give it a try :)
23:56:46amiconnGenre9mp3: That's what pause is for
23:57:40linuxstb_EnterUserName: Look at the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. That has some sample files as well.
23:57:55n1sZagor: maybe the resume on startup option could be extended to resume, resume with rewind and off
23:57:58linuxstb_(as well as a long to-do list of unimplemented features...)
23:58:07ZagorMikachu: have you used the headphone rewind option? does it work well in your opinion?
23:58:12Genre9mp3oh... I thought we were talking about an option for rewind on resume after both pause or stop
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23:58:28MikachuZagor: no, i only use headphone resume without rewind
23:58:44Zagorn1s: nah, that'd need more bits for that option and hence make the config block incompatible. better a new option.
23:58:50Genre9mp3anyway... I never listen to audiobooks so I would never need it actually
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