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#rockbox log for 2007-01-27

00:00:00midgeyi didnt make any changes to emu.c
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00:01:56barrywardelli'm not sure whether it should block you committing the rest of the patch though. It could be a separate bug that I have uncovered
00:02:18argonelanyone know what the CPU frequency of an e200 is?
00:03:02barrywardellup to 100MHz i think
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00:03:44perldiverNico_P a bit confusing
00:03:58perldiverif you have any advices that wold be great
00:04:11argonelhmm, the stock firmware seems very slow when playing a 320k file
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00:08:49midkayi'm here actually.. perldiver? did you want me?
00:09:19perldiveryes, about the brickmania menu screen...
00:09:32midkayah yes.. i have to go right now but i can do that in about 45m.
00:09:32perldivergigabeat target
00:09:52perldiverok, wondered if you needed any bitmaps
00:10:00midkaygotta log off too for that time, so maybe i'll see you here in a bit..
00:10:03Nico_Pperldiver: what kind of advice ?
00:10:05midkaynah, it's under control, thanks :)
00:10:09midkaybe back soon
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00:10:27perldiverNico_P where i should paste the rej
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00:15:28Nico_Pto the place where it was supposed to be (the rej indicates line numers), before or after the code that was added by the other patch at the same place
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00:16:01perldiverok thanks
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00:52:25terinjokesok, I'm going to give compiling rb a shot :D
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00:55:49midgeybarrywardell: you available to test a patch real quick
00:55:55barrywardellyup
00:56:04midgeyhttp://www.pastebin.ca/329714
00:56:27midgeythat probably wont fix the problem, but its worth a try
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01:03:02barrywardellmidgey: doesn't make any difference unfortunately :(
01:03:23midgeydarn, and here i was hoping for an easy solution
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01:06:07lostlogicso I get home and sit down to take a look at why MoB defeated me last time
01:06:33lostlogicand it all comes rushing back to me. it sucks, because it's damn near impossible to know what chunk of data to hand to the WPS
01:07:37barrywardellmidgey: I find it very strange how it runs perfectly the second time i run rockboy???
01:08:05midgeybarrywardell: so do I and its annoying that I can't reproduce it in the sim
01:11:55midgeyanyone know if the same bug is present in the iAudio or Nano?
01:14:15*midgey goes off to eat
01:15:35LloreanWhat bug?
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01:18:56terinjokeshey Thundercloud!
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01:21:36Lloreanbarrywardell: What bug were you and midgey discussing? I'm having a hard time finding something in the logs.
01:22:28pixelmaLlorean: he said he put a lengthy comment in the trecker (about rockboy on H10)
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01:22:37pixelmaerr... tracker
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01:23:43Lloreanpixelma: Thanks
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01:24:46Sn0vvHello All
01:24:59Sn0vvHello all
01:25:49Sn0vvppl here but no one talking?
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01:26:16LloreanSn0vv: This is a support / development channel. Talk happens when people are working on something or when people need help
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01:26:46Sn0vvoh...well i helped and donated and need some help as well
01:27:11LloreanWell go ahead 'n ask your question, and what help as may come will come.
01:27:40BiptoNbarrywardell: have you run any COP builds yet?
01:28:13Sn0vv<<<ipod 30g video all the themes for my ipod type are all jumbled.......time text slightly out of alignment
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01:28:37LloreanSn0vv: Have you downloaded the fonts package?
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01:29:09Sn0vvso each require a font or i have to download one big font package?
01:29:22Llorean"the fonts package"
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01:31:29Sn0vvI believe i am having difficulties finding that the link in the pdf led to the daily build section
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01:32:33LloreanThe fonts package download is on the Daily Build page, yes
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01:33:22Sn0vvahhhhh its small and blends in my sleepiness
01:34:19XavierGrwhat does MoB stands for? Metadata on Buffer?
01:34:22Sn0vvoh how i longed for the ipod to have a drag and drop type system
01:34:41LloreanXavierGr: Yes
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01:37:41ibeefhi
01:37:51Sn0vvhi
01:38:16ibeefdoes anybody know where i can get the ipodpatcher 0.5 source code
01:38:21midkayperldiver: ok, i'm back.
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01:40:08ibeefdoes anybody know where i can get the ipodpatcher 0.5 source code?
01:40:18Lloreanibeef: You asked that less than 2 minutes ago.
01:40:59ibeefsorry i got a glichy irc client
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01:42:13linuxstb_ibeef: It's in SVN - the tools/ipodpatcher/ directory.
01:42:30ibeefthanks
01:42:37ibeefbye
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01:43:24*Llorean learns that on iPods, Rockbox Error: -5 means "You've put an iPod Video build on your nano, you fool!"
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01:43:40linuxstb_How did Linus write that?
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01:43:50LloreanI'm not sure
01:44:06LloreanI learned it because I always type 22, then backspace and change it to 21, and forgot to do so, during configure
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01:44:19linuxstb_Ah, "Bad checksum".
01:44:28SnorglorfHey everyone
01:44:56SnorglorfSorry for the stupid newb question, but I really have looked everywhere, for the past 45 minutes or so. I feel so stupid.... Where do I download the plugins?
01:45:05Nico_Pperldiver: how's it with the patches ?
01:45:07amiconngrr
01:45:08linuxstb_You don't download them.
01:45:30amiconnViewvc doesn't like to properly display BMPs when viewing it
01:45:30linuxstb_They're included in the main rockbox.zip.
01:45:31SnorglorfWell how do I get them?
01:45:37amiconnViewcvs did...
01:45:39SnorglorfOh :\
01:45:45SnorglorfI'm confused
01:46:38linuxstb_amiconn: I noticed that today. Maybe it's a mime-type issue though - I noticed the new bitmaps are applicate/octet-stream
01:46:49amiconnPNG works
01:46:55Lloreanmidgey: I can change options in the option menu without the crashes, on iPod Nano
01:47:11midgeyhmm
01:47:33barrywardellLlorean: and can you exit the menu ok?
01:47:39Lloreanbarrywardell: Yup
01:47:40midgeyi wonder what causes the bug on the H10
01:47:55LloreanI tried changing the Display Stats option, and switching to scaled mode.
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01:49:33midkaytrying a new brickmania menu, any thoughts? http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9900/brickmaniamenubg320x240rl2.jpg
01:50:07barrywardellmidgey: i think a test on X5 would be quite revealing as it has the same lcd size as the H10
01:50:26midgeyyou're on the 20GB right?
01:50:30Lloreanmidkay: Will this one actually highlight the selected option instead of looking like it's trying to highlight everything *but* the selected one?
01:50:39Papricamidkay, i dont love it
01:50:42Paprica:)
01:51:00midgeyi'd be interested to see if the H10 5/6 GB has the same issue
01:51:01barrywardellyup, 20GB, 160x128.
01:51:02midkayLlorean: yes. :) Paprica: you're here! :)
01:51:13Papricayess.. im here.. :P
01:51:22Papricabut dont have too much time...
01:51:24LloreanI do think that's pretty bland though
01:51:33*midkay ponders..
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01:52:48Lloreanmidgey: Oh, and I was using the rockboy4 patch from the tracker.
01:52:54midkaywould an alternate background change that? i don't really have any ideas.
01:53:10Lloreanmidkay: I think it's more the font choice, and the word "BrickMania" itself
01:53:19midgeyLlorean: i figured as much, the pastebin one just reverted some of HCl's changes
01:53:36tanqok so is there any real documentation besides code that tells the format of the different databases
01:53:39Lloreanmidkay: If you took the word Brickmania, dropped the underline, and cycled it letter by letter through the colors of bricks...
01:53:49midkayooh :)
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01:54:11amiconnLlorean: Why do you configure every time?
01:54:38*amiconn has one build directory for every target he has, plus some extra ones for test builds
01:55:42Lloreanamiconn: When I swap around patches, I wipe the build directory just to head off the rare weirdness.
01:56:08amiconnHmm, wouldn't 'make clean' be enough in that case?
01:56:16LloreanUsually is.
01:56:31LloreanBut I got into the habit of doing it for some reason.
01:56:48Soapaarrgghh - I'm probably stupid, but the latest commit breaks the latest COP patch.
01:57:15Sn0vvwhen the ipod says buffer full should ibe worried??
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01:59:06Sn0vv....
01:59:24midkayLlorean, Paprica: changed a bit... http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4290/brickmaniamenubg320x240ad3.jpg
01:59:42midkayalso more how it would look with "resume game" selected from the menu, the others deselected.
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02:00:20amiconnHmm, blackjack seems to have problems
02:00:33amiconnOn H300 I only see a blank screen when starting it
02:00:36LloreanSn0vv: It just means you've probably set your max files in folder option too low.
02:00:46LloreanYou should probably organize your music better.
02:02:15Soapstart giving users fancy menus in the pluggins, and they'll expect a GUI everywhere! ;)
02:02:34Sn0vvmy ipod just froze
02:02:50terinjokesSoap: new advance GUI, where!
02:02:54terinjokes:D
02:04:09Lloreanmidkay: What you SHOULD do is expand the Menu API to include the option for a bitmap header ("Brickmania") and center aligned text. :-P
02:04:33midgeyamiconn: seems to work fine here
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02:04:38midkayhaha, yeah right.. :)
02:04:49argonelok, got rid of my e250 :)
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02:09:09Nico_Pok i'm leaving
02:09:24Nico_Pgoing on ski vacation :)
02:09:34Nico_Pcu in a week
02:09:55midkayLlorean, Paprica: http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9279/brickmaniamenubg320x240av9.jpg
02:10:12Nico_Pfeel free to commit my ptaches :)
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02:10:34midgeymidkay: it kind of reminds me of playdoh
02:10:52midkayhaha. the header does to me too..
02:11:10midkaybut apparently it needs visual ... stuff! :)
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02:11:30Soapblig
02:11:52Soapbling even
02:12:43LloreanI kinda liked the black text, colorful title version
02:13:03midkayis Paprica still around?
02:13:03midgeymidkay: what was wrong with the old graphics?
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02:13:49midkaymidgey: nothing in particular, i just felt like trying new ones (added bonus of making the gigabeat ones easier to create).
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02:14:54midkayactually i never personally really liked the tiled tiny bright-blue bricks in the back. but i wouldn't think of changing it if Paprica wasn't totally happy with a proposed alternative.
02:15:17midgeyah ok, i think the graphics it are quite nice actually
02:15:29barrywardellBiptoN: yes, I have tried the cop patch on my H10. I think I left a comment in the tracker with my results
02:15:41midkaymidgey: "the graphics" meaning.. the title screen?
02:15:54midgeyyep, call me strange
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02:17:52midkaywouldn't think of it :) opinions differ.
02:20:11midgeyamiconn: i just tried a fresh build on my H320 and I don't have that problem
02:20:30BiptoNbarrywardell: do you have an idea of why recording may not work?
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02:20:52barrywardellit does work
02:21:28BiptoNwhen i bark off recording on my 4g ipod with cop it freezes
02:21:37webguest81wheres the rockbox svn
02:21:43linuxstb_svn.rockbox.org
02:21:51webguest81ok
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02:22:05linuxstb_http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN
02:22:08barrywardelloh, with the cop patch. were you trying to move recording on to the cop?
02:22:21BiptoNi tried it where it was
02:22:27BiptoNand also i tried it on the cop
02:22:37BiptoNit took forever to shutdown when it was on the cop
02:22:45BiptoNfroze both ways though
02:23:20barrywardelli haven't tried recording with the cop patch
02:23:50perldiveris there something can be done about the "grey'ish" screen that appears before the file browser on boot (on gigabeat at least)
02:24:00barrywardellso i'm not sure why that would be happening
02:24:08linuxstb_BiptoN: Have you tested recording a) with a standard SVN build and b) with only the COP patch and no other changes?
02:24:38BiptoNno other change except cop on an svn build, yes
02:24:41linuxstb_perldiver: I guess that's something to do with the bootloader splash that was implemented.
02:25:03BiptoNthat cop really helps out
02:25:17BiptoNi get 2 more hours battery life with it and scaling on
02:25:28BiptoNopposed to pushin 4 hours
02:25:41linuxstb_So you normally have no scaling?
02:25:50perldiverlinuxstb well on my build from 0120 it doesnt appear for example, it does on the new one though again
02:27:05perldiverand i believe it existed before the splash as well
02:27:34linuxstb_When exactly does it appear? Before the main Rockbox logo?
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02:27:53Lloreanlinuxstb_: I think he means the Toshiba progress bar loading screen
02:27:57LloreanKinda like the Apple logo on the iPods
02:28:16midkayLlorean, Paprica: sorry to bug you, but one more. i took a look at the original again and it does have a.. dunno. a bit nicer feel to it. so i tried to more closely recreate it. http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/9612/brickmaniamenubg320x240ha5.jpg
02:28:28Lloreanperldiver: Or are you talking about a brief light blue screen post-splash but before filetree?
02:28:29perldiverLlorean no not that one
02:28:49perldiverblue screen post-splash, correct
02:29:02Lloreanmidkay: I *really* don't like blue as the selection color and yellow as the normal color
02:29:12Lloreanperldiver: That's the default backdrop color before the .cfg file is loaded.
02:29:27midkayLlorean: really? that's how it is in the original.. i chose nearly-identical colors.
02:29:36Lloreanmidkay: Yeah, I really really don't like the original. :)
02:29:36perldiveris there way to manually edit to black lets say?
02:29:43amiconnah
02:29:55*amiconn now knows what's going on with blackjack
02:30:04midkayLlorean: haha, ah :) vice-versa would be better, or is there something else in mind?
02:30:11linuxstb_perldiver: You can change the default colours in lcd.h (in firmware/export I think)
02:30:11amiconnmidgey: Set a backdrop image and try again...
02:30:15Lloreanperldiver: if the splash were in the Core instead of the Bootloader, the splash could simply stay onscreen until after the theme is loaded.
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02:30:33perldiverlinuxstb let me check
02:30:36Lloreanmidkay: Inversing them would work fine for me
02:30:46LloreanErr swapping
02:30:49midkaylet me see how that works out..
02:30:59perldiverLlorean yeah, i bet
02:31:13Lloreanmidkay: "Yellow" to me is just hard-coded as a selection color is all.
02:31:16LloreanIn my brain.
02:31:24linuxstb_Llorean: I think if you are going to have a boot splash, it needs to be as early as possible - i.e. in the bootloader.
02:31:32midkayyeah, that makes sense. :)
02:32:04Lloreanlinuxstb_: Since it's loaded from disk, it could be in both places. Or the core could just not draw *anything* until after the .cfg is loaded.
02:32:32linuxstb_Sure.
02:33:05LloreanI think the latter's probably better, that flash of "default" before the theme loads on boot is kinda weird lookin'
02:33:50perldiverwhats that "blue" color code?
02:33:58midkayLlorean: http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7744/brickmaniamenubg320x240lj7.jpg
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02:34:10Lloreanmidkay: Looks okay to me
02:34:17midkayany other thoughts?
02:34:23linuxstb_perldiver: I don't know, but you need to look for LCD_DEFAULT_FG and LCD_DEFAULT_BG (IIRC)
02:34:33perldiverlooking...
02:34:49Lloreanmidkay: Not really. I don't play Brickmania much. :)
02:34:55midkayLlorean: ok, thanks. :)
02:35:00perldiveraha, its called *rockbox-blue*
02:35:01perldiver:P
02:35:19linuxstb_Yes, it's one of the blues from the website.
02:35:28midkayis midgey or (especially) Paprica around to comment?
02:36:27midgeyseems decent, i think Paprica should have the final say and offer suggestions
02:36:48midkaydefinitely... but where is he.. :)
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02:41:58webguest45hello all
02:42:18BiptoNhola
02:42:29perldivermidgey theres something not right about that screen though
02:42:33webguest45anyone successfully hacked that ipod nano 2nd gen firmware yet?
02:42:39perldivermidkay, i mean
02:42:55linuxstb_webguest45: not publically.
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02:43:19webguest45so is someone working on it or has the firmware not even been cracked yet?
02:43:52linuxstb_I'm sure someone somewhere is working on it.
02:44:03webguest45what the os or cracking the firmware?
02:44:10perldiverthe use of lime green and yellow, probably, just one of them would be enough
02:44:30linuxstb_webguest45: Cracking the firmware. Nothing else can happen until that does.
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02:45:39perldiverso what happened with that "infamous" mp3 file ?
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02:53:37midkayperldiver: hmm.. let me see.
02:53:49midkaydo you care for either in particular?
02:53:59perldiverid go with lime
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02:54:30midkayeasy fix..
02:54:33midkayhttp://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7312/brickmaniamenubg320x240cr6.jpg
02:55:00perldiveryes, better
02:55:17midkayany other thoughts?
02:56:35perldiverwell, it's clean and simple, doesnt really need anything
02:57:15midkayok, thanks. :)
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03:02:30perldiverok, another color question
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03:02:54perldiverthe betting window in blackjack, is it black fixed?
03:03:00perldiveror can be changed as well?
03:03:14perldivercause all my text is white
03:03:40perldiverlinuxstb that worked btw, i have a black screen now before the file browser
03:05:02midkayperldiver: same here, needs to be fixed.. (blackjack white text)
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03:33:30aliaskNot sure if anyone else has noticed, but wiki comparison pages don't seem to be working at the moment.
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04:49:18perl|wtfedit id3 tags, any working patches?
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05:12:08LloreanWould config loading care about CR/LF?
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05:33:08safetydanLlorean, it might. As far as I can tell from the read_line function it will handle \r\n and \n but I'm not sure about just straight \r
05:33:16safetydanthough I don't think any sensible system uses
05:33:18safetydanjust s\r
05:33:23safetydanlousy enter key
05:36:06LloreanJust trying to figure out why the guy on the mailing list doesn't have fixed.cfg working for him.
05:37:14safetydanit's a bit of a puzzle if everything is as he says
05:37:41LloreanYeah
05:37:47LloreanI still suspect he's using the 25th build
05:37:54LloreanSince his problem started before the 26th build was available
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07:19:05webguest92hi i compiled ipodpatcher at the svn with DevCpp and it came up with a bunch of linking errors
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07:20:38Lloreanwebguest92: It used to work for me. I don't *think* it's changed since then. Lemme check
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07:21:01midkayis there any reason anybody knows of why invadrox isn't committed yet?
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07:23:08Lloreanwebguest92: I have no problem compiling it at all with Dev-C++
07:23:36LloreanAll you do is add ipodpatcher.c and ipodio-win32.c to a project, and tell it to compile, and that's it.
07:23:49webguest92o
07:24:06webguest92i compiled it just with ipodpatcher
07:24:11webguest92no wonder
07:24:15webguest92thanks
07:24:26LloreanThat whole "win32" thing is a bit of a hint. ;)
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07:27:47Lloreanmidkay: Does it use a custom menu, or normal menu code?
07:28:01midkayLlorean: no menus at all.
07:28:27LloreanDunno
07:28:39midkayit's a really well-done game. i don't think there'd be any copyright problems... (?)
07:29:23LloreanDunno
07:29:39midkayhrm.
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07:30:09midkaythe aliens look nearly/exactly the same is all (probably drawn pixel-for-pixel to look like the original).. i wonder if that poses a problem.
07:30:22LloreanProbably does.
07:32:25midkayhm, there's a clone online (flash, i think) that specifically claims that it's an unofficial clone, and it uses identical bitmaps.
07:32:57webguest92came back with not linker errors, but errors from ipodio_win32.c
07:33:33Lloreanwebguest92: Well, I have no problems compiling it in Dev-C++, at all
07:33:44LloreanI downloaded and checked before I responded to you.
07:33:49SoapLlorean: regarding the long persistent settings thread in the mailing list - could his problem be one of wrong/no line endings?
07:34:06LloreanSoap: I asked that in here. I was told windows and unix line endings should both be fine.
07:34:16midkayi guess i'd better ask the committers list or something.
07:34:18Soappoop.
07:34:20webguest92Did you use one of the revs
07:34:26Lloreanwebguest92: What version of Dev-C++ do you have?
07:34:31Llorean"One of the revs"?
07:34:34Soapand lack of line endings? Easy to do on a one-line .cfg...
07:34:58webguest924.9.9.2
07:35:13LloreanSoap: I don't believe my one-line test had a line ending either.
07:35:23Soapdouble poop
07:35:23*Llorean goes to check
07:35:32Lloreanwebguest92: Same version here
07:36:02webguest92I will try again
07:36:59Lloreanwebguest92: You've set the project to be a win32 console app?
07:37:00webguest92maybe its the header files got messed
07:37:07webguest92o
07:37:11webguest92ok
07:37:20webguest92i set it to empty
07:37:28webguest92forgot about that
07:37:34LloreanSoap: Just tried with a single line one, hand typed
07:37:46LloreanSoap: No problem
07:37:52safetydansingle line with no line feed or carriage return should work judging from the code
07:38:33Lloreansafetydan: Already confirmed it does. :-P
07:38:42safetydantoo fast for me :)
07:38:52LloreanThat one was easy enough to just test. :)
07:39:36LloreanMy bet is either on him not actually having the build from the 26th, or having made a typo somewhere.
07:39:36perldiverinvadrox isnt committed?
07:39:44perldiverhow come i have it on my player hmm
07:40:45safetydanperldiver, custom build maybe? It's not in SVN
07:40:49Lloreanperldiver: Ever run an unofficial build at any point?
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07:41:02perldiveri compile myself
07:41:06perldivermaybe thats why
07:41:07perldiverbut
07:41:20perldiveri have no memory of patching with invadrox
07:42:09perldivermaybe it was in svn at some point?
07:42:09webguest92i tried setting it to a console app and it came up with the same errors
07:42:45Lloreanwebguest92: Paste the errors into a pastebin then.
07:43:25webguest92how
07:43:45LloreanCan you select the text and copy it?
07:43:58webguest92yea just paste it here?
07:44:06LloreanNot here
07:44:09LloreanIn a pastebin.
07:44:11Mouser_Xpastebin.ca
07:44:16LloreanLike http://pastebin.ca
07:44:20webguest92ok
07:44:21LloreanThen paste a link to it here
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07:46:52webguest92compile log?
07:47:18LloreanIf it has the error messages you're referring to, sure.
07:47:25webguest92ok
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07:49:42webguest92http://pastebin.ca/329995
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07:51:40Lloreanwebguest92: Why is there a main.cpp?
07:52:12webguest92when i clicked on console it came up
07:53:10webguest92i took it out and it came with the same errors
07:53:31LloreanI didn't tell you to start a new project of that type, I just asked if you were sure that the project properties had it set as a console app
07:53:40webguest92o
07:53:42webguest92wait
07:54:09webguest92file>properties?
07:54:48webguest92o
07:54:59webguest92yea its a win32 console
07:55:36webguest92i need the 2 header files right?
07:56:27LloreanThe project should only have the two .c files I specified in it and nothing else is necessary.
07:57:25LloreanYou don't change any other settings.
07:57:37LloreanJust create a new empty project, add those two files, rebuild all, and it should work.
07:57:44webguest92i didnt include the header files but i got the 2 header files in the directory of the 2 .c files: ipodio.h and parttypes.h
07:58:00LloreanYes, I know you have them.
07:58:27LloreanThey're necessary but they don't need to be added to the dev-C++ project.
07:58:42LloreanHonestly, I'm not so sure about your error message.
07:58:45Lloreanmessages
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07:58:56LloreanHave you changed the files at all?
07:58:58rockoquick question
07:59:04webguest92no
07:59:16webguest92ill download them all again
07:59:16LloreanAnd how did you download them, exactly? What tool did you use?
07:59:19webguest92to make sure
07:59:26Lloreanrocko: Ask the question?
07:59:37rockoI have a 60gb photo ipod, I wanna boot into the regular firmware
07:59:53webguest92i just used the browser
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08:00:04Lloreanwebguest92: What browser...
08:00:17webguest92ie
08:00:53LloreanSo you just browsed the ViewVC stuff, and downloaded there?
08:00:59webguest92yes
08:01:15LloreanTry using a better method
08:01:22webguest92such as...
08:01:29LloreanEither use an actual SVN tool to check out the sources, or just download the source tarball...
08:01:49webguest92could you suggest a SVN tool
08:01:56LloreanAlright, stop.
08:02:03LloreanWhy exactly are you trying to compile your own iPodPatcher?
08:02:47webguest92to change it a little after a good compile....but i didnt add anything before this
08:03:47LloreanJust try downloading the source tarball for now, and see if you can get that to compile.
08:04:20webguest92where is it
08:04:28LloreanOn the SVN builds page.
08:04:34webguest92ok
08:04:35LloreanWhat change are you trying to make to ipodpatcher?
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08:05:48webguest92more to the scanning abilities
08:06:45LloreanAre you a programmer?
08:07:00webguest92little bit
08:07:13webguest92used to be experienced
08:07:23LloreanWith C?
08:07:26LloreanOr C++?
08:07:30webguest92but ive lost so much
08:07:43webguest92both c and cpp
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08:09:46webguest92now im readin back up on the books
08:14:10Lloreanrocko: Did you ever have an actual question, or was that statement supposed to have suggested one?
08:14:19webguest92thank you
08:14:27webguest92perfect compile
08:14:30Lloreanrocko: Because the manual does cover how to boot into the apple firmware.
08:14:48Lloreanwebguest92: Generally speaking, you shouldn't trust IE with anything.
08:15:04webguest92guess not.........
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09:16:50jenkinsok so i just installed rockbox on my 5th gen ipod video but its not booting into rockbox at all, can anyone give me some help please?
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09:19:49jenkinsi keep getting the rockboc error code -1
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09:20:52LloreanYou haven't followed the full instructions as they're written in the manual then
09:21:19jenkinsi followed the installation instructions exactly
09:21:51LloreanNo, you didn't if that's the error message you're getting.
09:21:56LloreanWhere is your Rockbox.ipod file?
09:22:12jenkinsyou mean on my comp hard drive?
09:22:17LloreanNo.
09:22:26LloreanDid you extract a rockbox.zip?
09:22:30jenkinsim running windows so i cant see where it is
09:22:32jenkinsyes
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09:22:46LloreanNo, windows doesn't hide any of the files we use...
09:23:11LloreanThere should be a rockbox.ipod file in the root of your iPod, if you extracted rockbox.zip directly onto it.
09:23:38jenkinsthat might be the problem
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09:24:11LloreanWhat might be the problem?
09:24:17LloreanYou didn't extract it directly onto the iPod?
09:24:21jenkinsi didnt copy it onto my ipod
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09:24:39LloreanSo, yeah, the directions weren't followed fully. ;)
09:25:20jenkinsya i guess not
09:25:24jenkinsthanks
09:25:27jenkinsfor the help
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09:37:59Drkepiloguehey, i need help installing the bootloader for the ipod 2gmini
09:38:14Drkepilogueit said that it wont install the bootloader unless it can ID it as ipod..
09:38:21Drkepilogueand my comp only ID my mini as a HD
09:38:26Drkepiloguebut itune read it just fine
09:38:41Drkepiloguehow do i get my comp to read it as an ipod and not a HD
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09:42:50Drkepiloguehey, i need help installing the bootloader for the ipod 2gmini
09:42:57Drkepilogueit said that it wont install the bootloader unless it can ID it as ipod..
09:43:13Drkepiloguebut itune read it just fine, so how do u get windows to read it as an ipod???
09:43:34midkaywhy can't it ID it as an ipod?
09:43:41Drkepiloguei have no idea...
09:43:48midkaydid you even try?
09:43:50Drkepiloguei dont have the driver???
09:43:52Drkepilogueyeah
09:43:58midkayjust because it shows up in explorer doesn't mean it isn't an iPod. :)
09:44:09Drkepilogueit said, ipodpatcher not gonan install bootloader unless window ID it as ipod...
09:44:35midkaywhat command did you enter?
09:45:02Drkepilogueipodpatcher 2 -a bootloader -ipodmini2g.ipod
09:45:16midkaywhere'd you get "2"?
09:45:24Drkepiloguefrom
09:45:29Drkepilogueipodpatcher −−scan...
09:45:55midkayok.. i don't remember the steps to install, but that command looks wrong to me.. the first one.
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09:46:30midkayipodpatcher [device] -a bootloader-ipodXXXXX.ipod
09:46:37midkayyou have a space in there...
09:46:48midkaybetween bootloader and ipodXXXXX.ipod.
09:46:48Drkepilogueooo...
09:46:51Drkepilogueno space!!!
09:47:00Drkepiloguethere
09:47:03Drkepilogueworked!!
09:47:05Drkepiloguehaha thanks!!!
09:47:11Mikachu!!!
09:47:19Drkepiloguesilly meh... hehe..
09:47:22Drkepilogue^^'
09:47:23midkaycool, no problem.. always double-check those commands.. :)
09:47:31Drkepiloguethanks
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11:00:32Lloreanlinuxstb: So, how's MediOS?
11:00:51linuxstbNice, but feels very under-developed.
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11:01:13linuxstbI think there's only 3 developers in the project, and they support 5 or 6 devices.
11:01:18LloreanAaah
11:01:56LloreanKinda like the S1MP3 project. I'm not sure why they're trying to tackle everything themselves.
11:03:29linuxstbI can understand why they started from scratch - their project started at a time when Rockbox only supported the Archos devices. It was _lots_ of work to make Rockbox more portable, and that work is still going on.
11:03:51LloreanWell, I was referring to S1MP3 with my "Not sure". They don't seem to have started yet.
11:04:20LloreanAt least their status page indicates they're still deciding on a toolchain.
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11:05:13rockoI always liked rockbox though
11:05:15linuxstb"public domain firmware" ???
11:05:16rockofor real.
11:05:19LloreanDoes MediOS seem like something that would exist well parallel to Rb, like iPL?
11:05:34rockomy ipod was so screwed up at one point
11:05:39rockorockbox saved it's life.
11:05:46linuxstbYes, but (like IPL), it doesn't do anything Rockbox couldn't.
11:06:12rockoI <3 you guys to the grave
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11:07:39linuxstbBut about the only thing it has that Rockbox doesn't is a NES emulator, and a Sega Master System / Game Gear emulator. It doesn't have an audio player.
11:08:04desowinand xbox360 one ;-)
11:08:19LloreanI think I'll take an audio player over an NES emulator.
11:08:37linuxstbBut it does have a very different type of LCD to the other players - it has 2 video planes (YCrCb), two 256-colour bitmap planes and a cursor plane which are mixed in hardware.
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11:09:18Mikachucan you change the coords of the planes, to scroll stuff aronud smoothly?
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11:09:28linuxstbMikachu: Yes. And zoom.
11:09:31Mikachuneat
11:09:50drazenhello guys is here some one who i could talk about how to install rick box on my 30gb ipod video 5.5g ? thanks
11:09:55linuxstbI guess that's the main difference between medios and Rockbox - medios will support all that fancy GUI stuff.
11:10:05Lloreandrazen: Where do you get stuck with the instructions?
11:10:18thegeekhehee
11:10:20thegeekrick box;P
11:10:40drazenhehe geek geez
11:10:42rockoOhhh I got a question
11:10:43thegeek;)
11:10:48GodEaterdamn. You need a bloody small screwdriver to get iHP-140 apart :(
11:10:53thegeekdrazen: have you read the manual and the wiki?
11:10:56GodEaterI thought I had one small enough, but sadly I don't
11:10:58LloreanGodEater: Yes, you do. :)
11:10:58rockoI try to play mp3s off of my xbox
11:11:01rockoxbox360*
11:11:04rockowith rockbox
11:11:12thegeekGodEater: it's not that small;P
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11:11:19GodEaterI need to replace the battery in mine - it's *completely* stuffed now. Won't hold any charge at all
11:11:34thegeekI miss my h120;/
11:11:42LloreanGodEater: My ex-girlfriend's MP3 player had screws that small, but they were the security types with the small pin in the hole, so I had to get yet another screwdriver for it.
11:12:10GodEateris your H120 done up with Torx head ones ?
11:12:20GodEaterI have a T6 torx driver - but it looks like I need a T4
11:12:25GodEaterlord knows where I'll get one
11:12:29LloreanI could've sworn it was a T6...
11:12:41LloreanI know the H120 had screws I had one that fit already
11:12:54thegeekI just used small screwdrivers
11:12:55GodEaterT6 is what I have and it most definitely doesn't fit
11:12:57thegeekflat ones
11:13:03LloreanBut I've got a decent torx set that I already had lying around. I didn't really pay attention to which one it was.
11:13:10drazeni read the manual and it totaly confused me
11:13:20Lloreanlinuxstb: So, do you have a plan to tackle the software/hardware playback question?
11:13:31thegeekdrazen: then I'm really not sure you should try to install rockbox
11:13:31GodEaterI've got T15 down to T6
11:13:33thegeekno offense
11:13:33GodEaterbut that's it
11:13:34Lloreandrazen: How far can you get?
11:13:48drazenam i supose to extract the files for the instalation on my pcs hard dis or on th eipods hard disk?
11:14:01LloreanGodEater: I ordered an iPod replacement battery, but apparently I'm too clumsy to be able to get the plastic connector off.
11:14:12Lloreandrazen: It tells you which files go where...
11:14:12linuxstbLlorean: The first plan is to port Rockbox as a hwcodec platform, and then take it from there. Similarly with the LCD, I'm just going to use a 2bpp bitmap mode, which happens to be an identical LCD format to the greyscale ipods.
11:14:20drazenarghhhh
11:14:35drazenit mixes C and F disks in the tutorialsss
11:14:40Mikachuit won't hurt if you only put files on the ipod
11:14:55Lloreandrazen: Are you reading the PDF manual?
11:14:55drazenits diferant talking on the sites tutorial and on the pdf one
11:15:01LloreanFollow the PDF
11:15:18Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah, seems like a good plan. Especially if someone else finishes up the playback unification while you're busy doing other stuff
11:15:22linuxstbdrazen: The C: drive refers to the hard disk in your computer, the F: drive refers to the hard disk in your ipod. (but your ipod may be something different to F:)
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11:15:29drazeni did it few times and i am allwas on rhe reboot geting error 1
11:15:43linuxstbdrazen: That's good - you're almost there.
11:15:44decayedcellthat means
11:15:44drazenmy ipods F
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11:15:53decayedcellyou're missing the .ipod file
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11:15:57decayedcellrockbox.ipod i think
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11:16:16linuxstbdrazen: Read section 2.2.2 of the manual - you need to download the rockbox.zip and rockbox-fonts.zip files.
11:16:22GodEaterwhich iPod battery did you get Llorean ?
11:16:49GodEaterif I'm going to replace the battery, I might as well get a decent one that lasts longer than the stock one
11:16:49drazeni have downloaded them
11:16:52GodEaterassuming that's possible
11:16:56LloreanGodEater: I honestly can't remember any more. It's been sitting in a closet for 4 months now. :)
11:17:05decayedcelldrazen: needs to be on your ipod
11:17:09decayedcellconnect it to your computer
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11:17:13decayedcellmake sure its in disk mode
11:17:16linuxstbdrazen: Now you need to extract them onto the F: drive.
11:17:36linuxstbdrazen: Making sure you you rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder at the top-level (root) of the F: drive.
11:17:40LloreanGodEater: You should be able to get a 2100mAh battery that'll work wonderfully. Just get one for a Generation 1/2 iPod and switch the positive and negative wires in the connector.
11:17:45drazen in the rockbox folder right?
11:17:52linuxstbdrazen: No.
11:17:56drazenomg
11:18:02decayedcellget the rockbox.ipod file
11:18:04drazenjust in the F disk
11:18:07decayedcelland put it on F:
11:18:09decayedcellthen
11:18:10linuxstbThere should be ".rockbox" (notice the dot at the start) folder and a rockbox.ipod file.
11:18:15decayedcellopen up the zip archive
11:18:16GodEaterLlorean: cool - I'll have a look for one
11:18:19decayedcelland extract the contents to F:
11:18:23decayedcelland like linux said
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11:18:27GodEateris the +ve/-ve swap hard ?
11:18:28decayedcellthere'll be a .rockbox folder
11:18:34decayedcelland rockbox.ipod on F:
11:18:41drazenok
11:18:54drazenwhat do i do withe the fonts?
11:19:00linuxstbGodEater: I think lots of people have done it, so I doubt it's that hard.
11:19:15decayedcellyou open up the zip file
11:19:15GodEaterhope not - I've got fat fingers
11:19:20decayedcellthen extract it out to F:
11:19:24decayedcelllike the rockbox zip file
11:19:36LloreanGodEater: I've heard it's relatively easy. I apparently just really suck at it.
11:19:41decayedcellif done correctly, it'll say .rockbox already exists
11:19:52decayedcellthen say yes and it'll chuck all the font files in the right place
11:19:57drazenit want to raplace the one i have allready .rockbox folder ?
11:20:08GodEaterLlorean: well if I screw it up I shall commiserate with you ;)
11:20:10decayedcellyeh
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11:20:13linuxstbdrazen: It will just add the fonts to it.
11:20:20The-CompilerHello
11:20:28drazenooo cool i tought he wants too replace it all
11:20:38decayedcellit only says that
11:20:43drazenso is it yes or yes to alll
11:20:43decayedcellbecause it has .rockbox
11:20:48decayedcellyes to all
11:20:58drazenok
11:20:58decayedcellthe folder names are the same so it thinks you're replacing
11:21:23drazengood its all in side with the fonts
11:21:32decayedcellthen disconnect
11:21:35decayedcellit
11:21:37linuxstb...safely
11:21:44drazenok
11:21:48decayedcellby right click eject..
11:21:54decayedcellor by using the icon in the task bar
11:22:08linuxstbGodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-11/0481.shtml
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11:22:50drazenomg i love you its working ^_^
11:23:05drazenthanks guys
11:23:49drazenone more question is it posible to increase the font size its a bit too small ?
11:23:57decayedcellyou can change the font
11:24:00decayedcellby going to um
11:24:03decayedcellGeneral Settings i think
11:24:06decayedcellBrowse Fonts
11:24:13linuxstbPress MENU to enter the main menu, then something like General Settings -> Display -> Browse fonts
11:24:16decayedcell*turns on ipod to check*
11:24:23decayedcellyeh Menu
11:24:26decayedcellthen General Settings
11:24:33decayedcellDisplay
11:24:35decayedcellBrowse Fonts
11:24:49decayedcellotherwise you can try installing a WPS that would have a nice font
11:25:11GodEaterLlorean: I've ordered a 1st/2nd Gen iPod 2200mah battery
11:25:15linuxstbYes, better option is to select "Browse Themes" and choose a new theme - maybe iCatcher.
11:25:15GodEaterI'll let you know how I get on
11:25:18drazenthanks i am so happy i got it working
11:25:23*GodEater goes to find a bloody small screwdriver next
11:25:31decayedcellGodEater: any idea what the stock battery is rated at
11:25:37Lloreandecayedcell: 1300
11:25:39GodEater1300mah
11:25:46decayedcellwhoa GG lol
11:25:47GodEateraccording to the label on the back
11:25:53decayedcellhmm
11:26:08LloreanThe 2200 will give you a playtime somewhere in the "ridiculous" range
11:26:19decayedcellwell a battery bench should be enough to prove or disprove that figure
11:26:22GodEater:)
11:26:23decayedcellwhere did you get it from eBay?
11:26:28decayedcellor ipodmods.com or something
11:26:28scorchespeaking of...
11:26:30GodEateripoddoctor.co.uk
11:26:41decayedcellhmm
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11:26:43scorcheLlorean: have you tried a bench with your gigabeat?
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11:26:52decayedcelloops
11:26:52Lloreanscorche: Not yet, no.
11:26:54decayedcellwrong button
11:26:55drazenummmmmm
11:27:04drazenhow do see my songs ?
11:27:06scorcheLlorean: how much did you end up finding one for?
11:27:09drazen*i
11:27:16scorchedrazen: read the manual and FAQ
11:27:20drazenok
11:27:21Llorean$160 locally from Craigslist.
11:27:24linuxstbdrazen: See the Database section in the manual - I think it's 4.2
11:27:46linuxstbdrazen: The FAQ is also helpful - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
11:27:51decayedcell15~ quid
11:27:51decayedcellnot bad
11:27:52drazenthanks guys once more you really helped my , have a nice day or night where ever you are
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11:29:31*GodEater hopes the screwdriver arrives at the same time as the battery
11:29:52decayedcellyou ordered a self install kit?
11:29:57GodEateryep
11:29:59GodEaterwell
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11:30:06GodEaterI ordered a battery without the fitting service
11:30:10GodEaterif that's what you mean
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11:30:11Lloreanscorche: I'm rather liking it. I wanted a 40gb player anyway, my original plan had been to get a new drive for the H120, but a new player was hard to resist since I was already spending some money.
11:30:32decayedcellGodEater: and that means you get a screwdriver with the battery?
11:30:48scorcheLlorean: and from what it looks like, it is a nice unit
11:31:07GodEaterdecayedcell: no ordered it seperately
11:31:15GodEaterfrom a completely different site
11:31:19decayedcelllol
11:31:21decayedcellwhere?
11:31:22Lloreanscorche: Honestly, at this point if someone asked me what Rockbox to buy, I'd say F40 is a solid choice.
11:31:38GodEatermobilefun.co.uk
11:31:45LloreanThough it'll be nicer once a few minor irritations are gone: The backlight fading is constant right now, and there's a major quirk with the remote
11:31:55scorcheLlorean: aye...if i were to upgrade though, it would likely be an archos 304 though
11:32:01GodEatermy F40 should turn up soon too
11:32:16LloreanFor some strange reason, if the main unit has Hold set, if you change volume on the remote, it gets queued up, and when you take hold off, the volume finally changes.
11:32:33decayedcellGodEater: 2200 is the highest one you could find for the 1-2nd Gen right haha
11:32:33LloreanMeanwhile Pause works, with about a 2-second delay.
11:32:40GodEaterdecayedcell: yep
11:32:49linuxstbscorche: 304?
11:33:06decayedcelland ipoddoctor has the highest
11:33:09decayedcellfor all models?
11:33:13scorchelinuxstb: or 404....i forgot which device, but the one you are working on is in my head =P
11:33:17*decayedcell interested in longer battery life
11:33:54GodEaterdecayedcell: no idea - I only wanted a new battery for the H140
11:33:59GodEaterI've not bothered looking anywhere else
11:34:23LloreanGodEater: I think I've heard of them going up to 2650, maybe.
11:34:39LloreanBut there's been some question of the highest capacity ones not quite fitting.
11:34:44GodEaterI could drive to Scotland and back on that!
11:35:19decayedcell2650 Oo
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11:36:55Mikachuwhat voltage are the batteries?
11:37:05decayedcell3.7V
11:37:10decayedcellfor the 1-2 Gen i think
11:37:34Mikachuso about 35.3kJ
11:38:04GodEaterthink I bought my original set of torx heads for chipping my xbox
11:38:19GodEaterjust a shame they don't go down to T4
11:39:51decayedcellMikachu: thinking of heating a coffee or something hehe
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11:40:13Mikachuno, just interested in how much energy it contains, not those random numbers they're labeled with :)
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11:40:51decayedcellR 12121 Shiny new Minesweeper color bitmaps.
11:40:53decayedcelllol...
11:41:00Mikachunice rev number
11:41:07decayedcellhmm no SVN Bot on this channel
11:41:15drazenhi guys i have just one more question, how do i start the ipod software ?
11:41:25decayedcellshut down the ipod in rockbox
11:41:28decayedcellby holding on Play
11:41:33Mikachudrazen: you already said "just one more", how can we trust you this time? :P
11:41:37decayedcellthen to run the apple firmware
11:41:44decayedcellpress menu/select
11:41:46decayedcelland hold on to menu
11:41:56decayedcellkeep holding until it says Loading original firmware...
11:42:05decayedcelltakes a couple shots to get it right
11:42:16scorchedrazen: i told you before to read the manual and FAQ....do it please
11:42:22scorchedecayedcell: half right
11:42:25drazenis it posible to make th eapple one start by just turning on the ipod and the rock box one by menu/select?
11:42:28Lloreandecayedcell: With the modern bootloader, you can just turn on the ipod, then immediately turn on the hold switch.
11:42:31Mikachudrazen: no
11:42:31scorchedecayedcell: there is a much easier way...
11:42:40*decayedcell is listening
11:42:44Mikachudrazen: everyone wants to use rockbox by default
11:42:57scorchedecayedcell: see Llorean's line
11:43:01Lloreandrazen: If you can program, it's an easy change. But the official version works that way, because Rockbox is for people who actually want to use Rockbox.
11:43:13drazenok
11:43:15linuxstbdrazen: Normally the Apple firmware doesn't fully shutdown your ipod, it just sleeps. So if you shutdown in the Apple firmware, when you next turn it on, it should just wake up in the Apple firmware.
11:43:21drazenthanks once more
11:43:26drazenbye guys
11:43:36drazenhave fun ^_^
11:43:51decayedcellbugger
11:43:52decayedcelllol
11:43:56decayedcellbut
11:44:05decayedcellit keeps rebooting my ipod when it gets to loading original firmware...
11:44:05Mikachudecayedcell: please try to form coherent sentences
11:44:15decayedcellokay then sorry
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11:44:27Lloreandecayedcell: What model iPod do you have?
11:44:37decayedcell30GB 5.5G Video
11:44:40linuxstbdecayedcell: Does it do that with both the Hold switch and the MENU option?
11:45:13*decayedcell testing
11:46:08decayedcelllinuxstb: yes
11:46:22decayedcellbut I don't recall this happening in previous versions
11:47:11scorchelinuxstb: how well do you think it would be able to handle various codecs with its comparatively slow processor? (ignoring mp3 of course)
11:47:12linuxstbdecayedcell: I think it's an ipodpatcher bug. You need to restore a clean firmware partition image to your ipod and then run ipodpatcher again.
11:47:34decayedcellhmm okay
11:47:49linuxstbscorche: I'm only interested in FLAC myself, and that should be fine. I think other codecs will struggle though unless we start using the DSP.
11:47:57desowin[11:44:07] <decayedcell> it keeps rebooting my ipod when it gets to loading original firmware... <- are you using COP patch ?
11:48:05decayedcellwould it possibly have anything to do with LinusN's ATA fixes as per FS6549
11:48:13decayedcelldesowin: yes i'm using cop 6 patch
11:48:22desowinit acts the same here
11:48:26decayedcelldesowin: but it was fine a few days ago
11:48:30scorchelinuxstb: what about ogg? (just a prediction of course)
11:48:33linuxstbdecayedcell: I'm guessing you upgraded your ipod using ipodpatcher though, without removing the old bootloader?
11:48:50decayedcelllinuxstb: I upgraded both rockbox firmware and bootloader at the same time
11:49:13linuxstbscorche: High bitrate vorbis struggles on the ipods, so it will definitely struggle on the av300. The CPU will be slower as there is no cache, and a limited (32KB) amount of IRAM.
11:49:19Lloreandecayedcell: The firmware wouldn't be able to prevent Apple OS from loading, but an improperly installed bootloader would easily explain it.
11:49:21scorchelinuxstb: also, is there more or less overhead with that screen? (i am not that well versed in controlling the lcd)
11:49:40scorcheno cache?...hmph
11:50:37linuxstbscorche: It's less overhead than most targets - there is no lcd_update() function to call, you just tell the LCD controller where in SDRAM the various video buffers are.
11:51:04*dan_a has another theory about what might cause the PP5020 lockups with boosting
11:51:17Lloreandan_a: New theories are good things!
11:51:50*linuxstb waits....
11:53:54dan_aThere is a 2ms delay after changing the PLL to allow it to settle, but we don't turn off IRQs while we change the PLL. The IRQ handler can have a different clock source to the normal code, and we never set that. If an interrupt happens in those 2ms, it could be running using the PLL clock while it is unstable
11:54:23dan_aDoes that sound like a viable theory?
11:54:40Mikachuif you turn off interrupts, can you miss button presses?
11:54:46Mikachu(better than locking up i guess)
11:56:11dan_aI guess the only thing to do is patch and find out!
11:56:15GodEaterI could live with a missed button press for 2 whole ms
11:56:55Mikachuit's obviously no problem if it gets picked up after 2ms, i mean if it's missed completely it could get annoying
11:57:37GodEaterI still think you'd be pretty unlucky to miss a button press inside of a 2ms gap
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11:57:48GodEaterI imagine my presses last longer than 2ms
11:58:00linuxstbdan_a: I'm pretty sure I've tried disabling interrupts, but please try again. You may also need to disable the FIQ, but if you do that, you'll get audio glitches when the CPU speed changes...
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11:58:22dan_aThe better solution is to use hcs's approach, which seems to work for me. He sets the PLL once, and just switches between the 24MHz clock and the PLL
11:58:47linuxstbIt would be nice to confirm interrupts are the problem though.
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11:59:42linuxstbI liked hcs's patch, but 24MHz is too slow for most codecs.
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12:00:01linuxstb(I think it's fine for FLAC though...)
12:00:21dan_aWe should be able to use a 33MHz clock instead of 24MHz, but I've not managed to make that work yet
12:00:28LloreanIf we get COP working better, 24mhz might not be so bad any more.
12:00:48LloreanOr 33 for that matter.
12:01:33dan_aI did manage to get the 32kHz clock to work, but the interface was... erm... sluggish.
12:02:06LloreanSomehow I imagine that's a bit of an impressive understatement.
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12:03:01dan_aYep ;)
12:04:15GodEaterlack of TLA knowledge alert!! Someone care to enlighten me on what PLL and FIQ stand for ?
12:04:44dan_aGodEater: PLL is a type of clock (Phase Locked Loop)
12:04:45scorchewww.wikipedia.com =)
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12:05:01scorche(saves the embarrassment)
12:05:10GodEaterI have no shame :)
12:05:11linuxstbGodEater: FIQ is the fast interrupt on ARM processors.
12:05:32Mikachuis the q queue?
12:06:01Mikachuwikipedia was not helpful, Fdration Internationale des Quilleurs (FIQ) or International Bowling Federation
12:06:13GodEaterheheh
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12:06:59buzzzzzzzhi guys, where can i download rockboy ?
12:07:17scorchebuzzzzzzz: you dont need to
12:07:24scorcheif your player supports it, you have it
12:07:46buzzzzzzzi have video ipod
12:07:58buzzzzzzzis it in plugins?
12:08:05scorchethen you have it...i suggest you read the manual for usage
12:08:20decayedcelli thought the read the manual line was going to kick in somewhere
12:08:59buzzzzzzzi have rockbox and rock paint but no rockboy?
12:09:07buzzzzzzz*blox
12:09:12Mikachubuzzzzzzz: did you read the manual already?
12:09:19buzzzzzzzyes
12:09:19scorchethat was fast..
12:09:21GodEaterclearly not
12:09:39buzzzzzzzit just says the rock boy version and the playing comands
12:09:49buzzzzzzzi have the pdf manual
12:09:53scorcheit also describes what a viewer
12:09:54scorcheis
12:10:00scorcheas compared with a plugin
12:10:18Mikachubuzzzzzzz: if you have a .gb file on your ipod, how do you think you start the game?
12:10:27buzzzzzzzwhy it isnt explaind in the plugin sextion of the rockboy ?
12:10:37scorchebuzzzzzzz: because it isnt a plugin...
12:10:42buzzzzzzz*section
12:10:44scorcheplease just read it again
12:10:52buzzzzzzzoh ok
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12:13:03Mikachuhow come all the silly users are from australia? :)
12:13:16*scorche look at JdGordon
12:13:25Mikachuthe inverse statement may not be true
12:13:31scorches/look/looks
12:13:55JdGordonhmm?
12:14:27JdGordonwhich silly user was aussie?
12:14:28GodEatermerry belated australia day btw JdGordon
12:14:35aliaskyay australia day!
12:14:39fejfighterit was australia day yesterday give us a rest were still hungover
12:14:45Mikachubuzzzzzzz and the one before him
12:14:52*JdGordon did absolutly nothing yesterday :p
12:15:06aliaskaww
12:15:10aliasknot even a barbeque?
12:15:11GodEaterI managed to celebrate it (hangover and all) and I'm not even australian ;)
12:15:15JdGordonnup not even
12:15:21JdGordonwell done
12:15:22fejfighterin true aussie fashion jdGordon -relax
12:15:25aliasklisten to the hottest 100?
12:15:26GodEaterthanks ;)
12:15:28JdGordonexactly!
12:15:40JdGordonaliask: im a metal ead.. i stay clear of the radio
12:15:45scorchedepends on how you define aussie fashion...
12:15:55decayedcellfejfighter its what 10:20 now lol
12:16:00decayedcellhow can you still be hungover
12:16:03fejfighteryeah i know
12:16:15fejfighterkickon till teh next day :P
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12:16:49aliaskYeah, there aren't many metal stations at all, JJJ is the closest, and it's barely it at all.
12:17:12fejfighterI just got my fix at trivium, i know not everyone likes them but it was good
12:17:38JdGordondid they play their new cd?
12:17:50*JdGordon cant stand it... their old stuff is 100x better
12:17:59fejfighternot all of it, like 3 songs, it felt like a short set
12:18:15fejfighterplayed heaps of ascendancy so it was good
12:18:54*decayedcell eyes silly users from Australia comment :p
12:19:20fejfighterhmm we may have taken over now...
12:19:42decayedcellwell theres still 128 odd of other people in this channel
12:19:59fejfighterbut the aussies have spoken up
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12:20:11decayedcelland become 'active'
12:20:31fejfightertrue
12:20:49decayedcelland before this happened
12:21:00decayedcellthey were getting into hardcore talk about PLLs and stuff
12:21:15freqmodHello, i have messed up my partition table. Could someone with linux and an ipod send me the output of fdisk /dev/<ipod> : p (to print the table)?
12:21:21scorchewell, that IS what this channel is for...
12:21:35freqmod(ipod 5g, video 30 GB)
12:21:37Mikachufreqmod: there are mbr sectors for all ipods on rockbox.org
12:21:38decayedcellyes I was trying to say
12:21:42freqmodthx
12:21:52decayedcellthat us aussies blabbering about something else wasn't entirely appropriate
12:22:04decayedcellgiven the level of technical talk that was going on
12:22:32fejfighteryep sorry
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12:23:00freqmoddo you know where?
12:23:08freqmodmikachu: ^
12:23:17*fejfighter goes to create a aussie and rockbox irc channel
12:23:29JdGordonthere is rockbox-community already
12:23:52scorchehow is that turning out anyway?
12:24:02JdGordonthere is 4 of us in there now
12:24:08*JdGordon only just joined tho
12:24:16Mikachufreqmod: not exactly
12:24:33Lloreanfreqmod: The Installation from OSX page.
12:24:36scorcheJdGordon: so slightly better than the last attempt? =P
12:24:38LloreanGo through IpodInstallationBeta
12:24:43freqmodok
12:24:49LloreanLook for the converting to Fat32 bit
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12:28:01linuxstbfreqmod: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ (for the MBRs) - just "dd" it to (for example) /dev/sda, then unplug your ipod and reattach so Linux re-reads the partition table.
12:28:08freqmoddone
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12:28:36freqmodhowever it seems like my fat fs is damaged too :(, well well, i have most of the files on my pc
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12:33:14decayedcellhow do I unlock a SVN directory
12:33:23decayedcellsvn: Can't open file 'firmware/target/arm/archos/.svn/lock'
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12:35:10barrywardelldecayedcell: i read your comments on fs about my bootloader changes
12:35:24barrywardellbut i'm able to build for the ipods you mentioned just fine here...
12:35:39decayedcellhmm
12:35:50barrywardellwhich version of the patch did you use? did you patch against clean svn?
12:35:57decayedcellV6
12:36:07decayedcelli have also the cop 6 patch
12:36:22decayedcellcurrently i'm nuking my rockbox source
12:36:25decayedcelland downloading a fresh copy
12:36:43barrywardellcan you test with v6 against a clean svn when you get a chance?
12:36:49decayedcellsure no problem
12:37:00decayedcellit builds the normal build fine
12:37:07decayedcellit just has trouble when building the bootloader
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12:40:34barrywardellthat's strange. must be the cop6 patch
12:40:39decayedcellalso barry, I believe the cop 6 patch is broken from revision 12120
12:40:48barrywardelli'm gonna update that now :)
12:40:50decayedcellplayback.c appears to be modified
12:40:53decayedcellcheers
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12:46:08fejfighteri must be missing something, where is /what number is the cop patch
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12:46:58linuxstbfejfighter: Scroll down the page on flyspray - you'll see various versions of the patch, the last one is v6.
12:46:59decayedcellFS5755
12:47:18decayedcellbarrywardell says he's updating it right now
12:47:25decayedcellso I'd wait for v7 xD
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12:48:06fejfighterthanks, i just want to read it for the moment
12:49:24fejfighterllinuxstb: i just didnt know where the page was, have no problem with the comments and adding new versions in comments
12:50:47fejfighterand in the end, i find out that i have alread seen that page, now know what cop means, and realise it doesnt affect me in the slightest
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12:51:17decayedcellfejfighter what player do you have
12:51:43fejfighterH300
12:52:08decayedcellcool
12:52:39fejfighteryeah, not affecting me now, possibly in the future though
12:53:21decayedcellupgrading to an ipod maybe?
12:53:58fejfightermight get one for my bro, or when i decide that the h340 is too bulky
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12:54:56fejfightergeez im hoples today off topic again :(
12:55:08decayedcellhmm arm-elf-ar: Command not found
12:55:13decayedcellanyone have an idea lol?
12:55:28linuxstbEither you haven't installed the compiler, or it's not in your PATH.
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13:06:59rp-bx r2; will change to thumb mode depending on the value in register r2?
13:07:12decayedcellconfigure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
13:07:16decayedcellbloody hell
13:07:25decayedcelljust took one step back ><
13:07:39Mikachuyep, australians
13:07:46decayedcell><
13:07:55decayedcelleither that
13:08:04decayedcellor the CrossCompiler instructions aren't AustralianProof
13:08:31Mikachuas soon as you make instructions australian proof, they invent a better australian
13:08:32dan_arp-: It will branch to the address in R2, and change to thumb mode if that address isn't 32 bit aligned (I think)
13:08:55decayedcellhaha
13:08:56rp-dan_a: thx
13:09:08decayedcellanyway barry it looks like i'll only be able to compile tomorrow
13:09:20decayedcellunless I boot into Windows
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13:09:24decayedcellbut I need to sleep
13:09:27barrywardelldecayedcell: i can provide a compiled version if you want to test that;)
13:09:43fejfighteri thought the instructions were aussie proof, use rockboxdev.sh
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13:09:57decayedcellfejfighter i like doing it the hard way
13:10:19decayedcelltheres one problem with the script
13:10:27fejfighterwhat?
13:10:33decayedcelltheres a check to see if you have the gcc etc files already
13:10:38decayedcelland if you do have them it'll stop downloading
13:10:52decayedcellhowever, before that it checks if theres build-rb and those directories
13:10:59decayedcelland if they are there it'll want you to nuke them
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13:11:14decayedcellso technically you can't put predownloaded gcc and stuff into those folders to skip the downloading process
13:11:25fejfighterhow is that a problem, if they are corrupted delete them
13:11:34decayedcellthey're not corrupted
13:11:42fejfightermm ok, it worked for me
13:11:48decayedcellits just annoying to sit here waiting for it to download
13:12:06decayedcellthe script needs to be modified to not go into the loop i described earlier
13:12:18decayedcellso yes it probably would be better if i just ran the script
13:12:24decayedcellbut i need to learn how to build the toolchain manually
13:12:30decayedcellwell i don't need to i just want to :p
13:12:46decayedcellanyway night all
13:12:52fejfightergoonight
13:12:53decayedcellbarry email it to me
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13:13:07Mikachudecayedcell: do you have CFLAGS set in your environment?
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13:16:57JdGordonhow badly should I try to save space? http://rafb.net/p/gk15I990.html < char* desc there is not used when the void* variable is used, but that option is probaly going to be used 80% of the time
13:17:08JdGordonshould i bother trying to move it somehow?
13:18:22rp-dan_a: do you know what address 0x7000C000 is doing on the sansa?
13:18:46MikachuJdGordon: you could make them a union
13:18:47Mikachu?
13:18:50dan_arp-: It sounds familiar, let me just check
13:19:11rp-dan_a: it's near the I2C controller i think
13:19:51lostlogicpondlife: linuxstb: I've posted some initial design thoughts on the wiki for MoB
13:20:14pondlifeCool
13:20:24pondlifeWill take a look later this afternoon
13:20:41dan_arp-: firmware/drivers/i2c-pp5020.c:#define IPOD_I2C_BASE 0x7000c000
13:20:44lostlogicit's kinda a hybrid of what I did before, what lowlight's done and things added based on discussions.
13:21:24barrywardelldan_a: that #define should probably be moved to pp5020.h...
13:21:49rp-would be bad, cause my first look was at the .h file
13:21:52MikachuBagder: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebChanges TWiki Installation Error
13:22:02dan_abarrywardell: Yes, and the C code into the target tree
13:22:13rp-dan_a: i think the power of of the sans is done by i2c then
13:22:18rp-+f
13:22:22JdGordonMikachu: well, the char* is needed for every case except the vairable.. so putting it in the union wont help
13:22:24dan_aI'm not touching any code until my hangover goes away though
13:22:47MikachuJdGordon: i know, i had another thought but then i realized that wouldn't work either
13:23:12JdGordonim thinking about putting each of those union options into a struct * and putting that char in each.. but that will be annoying
13:23:13barrywardelldan_a: haha. i can move it-no hangover here!
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13:23:15MikachuJdGordon: you could have a separate struct type for each of the cases in the union
13:23:33JdGordonsnap :p
13:23:42rp-is there some example in the rockbox code on how to use the i2c bus?
13:24:09rp-i guess in the ipod code :)
13:24:47dan_arp-: Can you tell if it's talking to I2C address 0x70?
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13:25:02dan_aThe iPod touchwheel is on the I2C bus
13:25:19barrywardellrp-: the h10 rtc code has it...firmware/drivers/rtc/rtc_e8564.c
13:25:48lostlogich300 rtc as well
13:27:02barrywardellrp-: and the code in pcf50605.c
13:27:17rp-dan_a: yes i think so, i'm disassembling the bootloader and there is a output "system shutdown" then a 2sec wait and after that it seems there is something done with the 0x70.. address
13:27:26rp-barrywardell: thx
13:27:42JdGordonare structs packed by default in rockbox? or are they aligned somehow?
13:28:56dan_arp-: 0x70 is the I2C address of the AS3514 - which has the power controller built in. It would be really good if we could get software power off working
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13:30:39rp-dan_a: a very good, i hope we get the datasheets, it looks like many things are done by the AS3514
13:30:46JdGordonamiconn: do you know if 2 shorts will work out the same size as 1 int?
13:30:53JdGordon... in a struct
13:31:38dan_arp-: It sounds like you're getting fairly close even without the datasheet
13:32:50rp-dan_a: if i can get behind, what in de registers is and what i have write to them... i will try a little bit
13:33:44rp-dan_a: by the way i don't think the backlight is controlled by any GPIO, i tried most of them out and i had no results
13:34:35dan_arp-: I've just been looking over old mails, and the backlight is controlled by the AS3514 - so it will be an I2C command to turn it off
13:35:04rp-i thought that
13:36:03dan_aHave you had a look at the Rockbox function pp_i2c_send_bytes?
13:36:17rp-is it possible that the cpu could be slowed down by any GPIO port?
13:36:24rp-looking at it right now
13:39:31barrywardellrp-: i experienced slowdown when changing some GPIO on my H10. i don't think it was the cpu though. it only happened during disk access
13:43:24rp-barrywardell: i can't say if it was the cpu speed, but the lcd update was very slow and any input with the wheel
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13:45:25barrywardelli don't think cpu speed would be controlled by gpio. it's probably something else, but i could be wrong
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13:47:37JdGordonpointers arent 16bit on all targets are they? that would make things easy :p
13:55:24linuxstbpointers aren't 16-bit on any of the current targets.
13:56:41JdGordonI know... if they were i could fiddle
13:58:27JdGordonis this trcut going to be ineffienct to access? http://rafb.net/p/r2sDTL20.html
13:59:20JdGordonthe 2nd union s what im really worried about... it makes the whole thing 4 bytes smaller, but adds the struct for maybe 30% of menu items
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14:00:48Kitt0swhere can i get help for ipod ?:\ non-rockbox related
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14:06:00linuxstbKitt0s: Maybe ilounge.com
14:07:32linuxstbbarrywardell: I hope your COP patch was synced to SVN, not CVS...
14:08:02barrywardelllinuxstb: haha, yes. synced to cvs
14:08:13barrywardelli mean svn
14:08:22linuxstb:)
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14:14:58d16174l4n63lcuriousity, anyone on developing for the Sansa e200 on?
14:15:01Kitt0swhen i push both the next and previous button on ipod.. and hold it for a few seconds.. should it give me some diagnostics window or something?
14:15:22barrywardelld16174l4n63l: yes
14:16:20JdGordonwhen space is reserved for a const'ed struct, is it just the sum of the vars? or is it + ..?
14:16:25d16174l4n63lgot a couple min for me to pick your brain barry
14:16:46barrywardellgo ahead.
14:16:46JdGordonbarrywardell: force him to change his nick first :p
14:18:38d16174l4n63lI've had this nick for year man 8)... Anyway, so I have been checking out the refrence documentation for the current Sansa buld mainly just playing with the graphics. The guide say 16, however when I modded the origional firmware with HMOD. It seems to accept 24 bit color <== Mostly a theme'r these daydays. Is that an imposed limit of RockBox which I think is really awsome BTW, or is it more or less th
14:20:18barrywardellH3Mod accepts 24 bit color, but converts it to 16 bit for use on the Sansa
14:20:33barrywardellso it's an imposed limit of the lcd in the Sansa
14:21:14d16174l4n63lI see, that makes alot of sense.
14:24:37d16174l4n63lso H3MOD makes the conversion over to 16. This has beena puzzle for me, I bought a sansa e250 and after doing some H3MOD stuff with it, and working on a new bookmark set for the current firmware, It definitly holds the illusion of 24 bit when you get down to the images it uses 8)
14:25:12d16174l4n63land Yes I have RB as my maina nd am just tweaking for now out of curiousity. Can't wait for play support
14:26:24d16174l4n63lwell, anyway I am at work and all TYVM for the answer. Hats off to you developers out there. I may come back soon 8) cheers!
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14:52:04Womble2Bug 6513, "the keys don't work on h10" - closed because apparently it's a "support question"
14:52:22Womble2Well, I have the same bug/question. Is there an answer?
14:54:00ArathisWomble2: Do you have the latest RB version and Bootloader? .... And hold deactivated? ;)
14:54:06barrywardellWomble2: do the keys not work at all?
14:55:32Womble2Arathis: Latest, yes.
14:55:37Womble2barrywardell: None - not even power.
14:55:58barrywardelldoes anything happen when you switch hold on/off?
14:56:01Womble2and it's not on hold
14:56:31Womble2no, no change
14:56:52barrywardelldoes the backlight stay on all the time? or does it change when you press a button?
14:57:08Womble2It seems to stay on. How soon should it turn off?
14:57:42Womble2Actually, let me correct myself, it's actually stopping at the flash screen. There's no folder view.
14:57:49ArathisWomble2: standard backlight shutdown time is 5s
14:58:15Womble2Then it's staying on.
14:58:17barrywardellwhat screen has it stopped at?
14:58:24barrywardellwhat does it say on the screen?
14:58:28Womble2The one with the Rockbox logo.
14:58:45Womble2"Ver: CVS-061218" (yes, I know, but that's what was in the "latest" zip file)
14:59:05barrywardellwhere did you download the file from
14:59:10barrywardellyou need a newer version
14:59:27Womble2http://download.rockbox.org/daily/h10_5gb/rockbox-h10_5gb.zip
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15:00:12barrywardellwhat bootloader did you download. that might need to be newer too
15:00:26Womble2http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10.mi4
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15:01:27Womble2Is it possible that the files for download aren't being updated properly?
15:01:27ArathisWhat player exactly do you have? 5/6GB? MTP/UMS?
15:01:37Womble2H10 6GB with UMS firmware.
15:02:46ArathisThe path you used for download seems to be out of date. At least since rockbox uses SVN the path is http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-h10_5gb/rockbox.zip
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15:03:36ArathisThe best way is to go through the main page and click "SVN builds" or at least "daily builds"
15:04:09Womble2http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml links to the file on download.rockbox.org
15:04:52barrywardellWomble2: can you try the build that Arathis pointed out and see if it works?
15:05:01Womble2Yes, I'm trying it
15:05:21Womble2How about the H10.mi4 file?
15:06:21barrywardelli can provide an up to date one if the other rockbox build doesn't work
15:06:36Womble2Works!
15:07:01Womble2Well thanks a lot. It's just that index page that's broken.
15:07:12barrywardellsounds like the daily build isn't getting updated
15:08:59Arathisoh, didn't noticed it was a daily build ....
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15:19:05barrywardell_what do people thing about adding a portalplayer directory to the arm target tree?
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15:26:33tanqwhat is portalplayer? (i guess that question automatically throws out my vote)
15:26:41tanqheh
15:27:24tanqchipset?
15:27:37barrywardell_chipset used in ipod, h10, sansa
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15:27:58tanqhence the PP prefix.. i didn't know what it stood for.
15:28:35barrywardellyes
15:30:38tanqits sounds like a good idea, but would you alsa create dirs for each unique vendor's chips?
15:31:11tanqs/alsa/also/
15:31:44rp-is there a difference between ADD R1, R0, #0 and MOV R1, R0 ?
15:31:55rp-i'm talking about ARM asm
15:32:00tanqI wish my ipod would die so i would be forced to buy a new player..
15:32:24rp-is the ADD maybe faster?
15:32:36barrywardelltanq: there are already dirs for iriver, ipod, sansa
15:33:28barrywardellBagder: the build table doesn't deal too well with moved files
15:35:20tanqbarrywardell: i meant for the suppliers chips not for the hardware that uses it.
15:36:10tanqs/hardware/higher assembly part/
15:36:20barrywardelltanq: i guess we would. pp is the only one that is needed for the moment though
15:38:14tanqman i want to put a color lcd in my 4g, but my hard drive seems to be struggling at times. That together equals a new player..
15:38:26tanqbut the harddrive just won't die...
15:38:28tanqheh.
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15:39:18barrywardellhave you tried dropping it from a tall building ;)
15:39:46tanqno..
15:40:00tanqit's a thought though..
15:40:22tanqI can get that warning folder a lot that tells you to go to apple support.
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15:41:01tanqdmesg usually gives me some error about FAT: filesystem panic after a while
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15:41:38hcspanic on the danceplatter
15:41:55tanqheh
15:42:11Mikachumaybe you should run fsck.vfat on it
15:42:21foolshbarrywardell: any luck finding out what causes the e200 to "freeze" I can confirm that the build from 1/23/07 does not freeze, I reversed the changes made by Nils Wallménius at 23 Jan 15:43 concerning powering down the disk,I'll keep crawling up the committs till i find it either way
15:42:43tanqMikachu: the problem is deeper than that.
15:43:25foolshbarrywardell: but it still freezes
15:43:39tanqi've fsck'd the disk a dozen times.. it will fix some things temporarily. I'm pretty sure the drive is bad.
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15:44:29tanqMikachu: I had ipodlinux installed on this a long while back way before the 4g ipod was supported. And I'm pretty sure some events that occurred during that use caused it.
15:44:37pondlifelostlogic: around?
15:44:50barrywardellfoolsh: dan_a was working on it
15:44:52tanqactually i'm not even sure if the 4g is supported by that project yet..
15:46:17barrywardellfoolsh: we suspect the freeze only happens on aligned writes
15:46:51foolshbarrywardell: from the optimized ata driver?
15:47:05foolshi thought the e200 didn't use that
15:47:23barrywardellfoolsh: no, the current one in svn. there's a suspect lcd_update() in there
15:47:27barrywardellwhich slows it down to a crawl
15:47:36barrywardellmaking it feel like it has frozen
15:47:47barrywardellbut it's actually just running very very slowly
15:47:48tanqSlasheri: do you have any documentation for the database formats?
15:48:45foolshbarrywardell:I noticed the scroll wheel light going out and then on when you move it so I knew it was not "locked" up
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15:50:51barrywardellfoolsh: i suspect the problem was always there
15:51:19barrywardellbut we only noticed when jdgordon moved settings from into a file
15:51:52barrywardellfrom the config block
15:53:02lostlogicpondlife: yes
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15:53:34foolshBarrywardell: I can reproduce it by "playing" a mp3 and skipping to the next track then back and next and so on till it stops Ahh I thought that might be it!
15:54:19barrywardellfoolsh: i suspect anything that causes the settings to be written to file might reproduce it
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15:54:59Slasheritanq: checking the structures in tagcache.c should give a good idea (just ignore the temporary commit file structures)
15:55:24Slasheritanq: i have also written a description to the forums a long time ago, that could be useful too
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15:58:23pondlifelostlogic: I've looked at the updated wiki page - there still seems to be a bit of data duplication going on. Would it be possible to reduce the number of structures at all?
15:59:13pondlifeAlso, does "next track to be read" mean next track to be buffered, or next track to be played?
15:59:23pondlifeI assume "to be played".
15:59:29lostlogicbuffered
15:59:39lostlogicwhat data appears duplicated?
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16:00:34pondlifeThe currently playing track data - isn't that guarenteed to be available on buffer?
16:00:41lostlogicno
16:00:47pondlifeAh, long tracks ;)
16:00:48lostlogicremember, tracks can be longer than the buffer
16:00:49lostlogicright
16:00:50lostlogic:)
16:01:02pondlifeSorry - heavy night last night
16:01:08lostlogiclol
16:01:33lostlogicI already had my one 'heavy night' for the month a couple weeks ago :-P
16:01:52pondlifeWhy have seperate structures for ID3 and track info?
16:02:13pondlifeAnd why store for the previously played track?
16:02:15lostlogicpondlife: because the id3 one can be dynamically sized (as per lowlight's patch) and the tracks one cannot really
16:02:29lostlogicneed the previous track for the time period after codec has finished before the wps transitions
16:02:39pondlifeGotcha
16:02:59Mikachuwhat happens if the codec decodes two tracks before the wps transition?
16:03:07lostlogicMikachu: I kill you.
16:03:11Mikachuokay
16:03:14Mikachu:D
16:03:21lostlogicMikachu: not a situation I'm prepared to handle just now
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16:03:48lostlogicif some people wouldn't make their pcm buffers the size of the moon it wouldn't be a very likely situation at all.
16:03:51lostlogic:-D
16:04:27Mikachufor a flash device it's the logical split
16:04:35lostlogicyes yes yes, so you keep saying
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16:04:58Mikachuwell, i didn't mean to start anything, and i'll happily change back if i have to
16:05:08lostlogicMikachu: :) just givin' you shit
16:05:17pondlifeWhat advantage does a large PCM buffer give?
16:05:27Mikachuno skipping when zooming through lists
16:05:35Mikachuunless you're very dexterious
16:05:37lostlogicMikachu: Nothing's comin' to mind that would let me do MoB and safely handle your case.
16:06:00Mikachuare you guaranteed it won't happen with your split?
16:06:04Mikachuthat's all i really meant
16:07:03lostlogicMikachu: no, not guaranteed, for crossfaders, the buffer can be (15 max? at least 8max) seconds long which could contain a whole track in some situations
16:07:54Mikachumaybe it could just stop decoding until the prev struct is free to overwrite
16:08:02Mikachuhypothetically
16:08:20lostlogicthat sounds fairly reasonable.
16:09:00pondlifeCould that kill gaplessness with short tracks?
16:09:18lostlogicshouldn't impact gapless, afaik
16:09:46lostlogicwould kill crossfade with tracks that are shorter than the total fade buffer needed
16:10:19pondlifeCrossfade is currently flaky anyway, but I'd very much hope to make it bulletproof in the new version.
16:10:28lostlogicyou're working on a new version?
16:10:38pondlife:)
16:10:45pondlifeNot me
16:10:47lostlogicMikachu: go ahead and mention that potential problem and solution on the wiki page so we don't forget it.
16:10:59Mikachuokay
16:11:15lostlogicpondlife: Have you written a proposed design for this new version?
16:11:22Mikachuwhat section should it go in?
16:11:30pondlifeNot at all... I'm hoping the wiki can get to that point though
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16:11:38lostlogicMikachu: just put it on the SoftwareCodecPlayback page somewhere
16:11:49pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback
16:11:50Mikachui figured that much out already :)
16:11:56lostlogicbagh
16:11:56pondlifeSorry :)
16:12:02lostlogicwherever you want then :-P
16:12:43pondlifeAnyway, currently a manual track skip to an unbuffered track will gap and not crossfade, right?
16:13:06pondlifeCould there be any mileage in delaying the skip until the required new track is buffered?
16:13:08lostlogicpondlife: yes, disk spin and all
16:13:14lostlogicpondlife: not IMO
16:13:17pondlifeSo the skip is slower, but the music doesn't stop.
16:13:25lostlogicbut then I don't use that feature
16:13:30lostlogicso I don't know what people are trying toa chieve with it
16:13:53pondlifeParty music in my case
16:14:01lostlogicah
16:14:08lostlogicyes, I can see the benefit there.
16:14:45pondlifeSeamlessness/gaplessness/stability are my top 3 requirements
16:15:35lostlogicwell that could introduce a lot of problems :( what happens when you are skipping from a > buffer size track to a new track? you hafta truncate the long track on the buffer X distance from the current read point, start reading the new track into that area and fire up the codec on the new track, then execute the crossfade skip
16:16:02pondlifeIndeed, don't worry about it. I was getting hypothetical.
16:16:06lostlogichehehe
16:16:08lostlogicI mean I do like the idea
16:16:21lostlogicbut it's not feasible until we've locked down the playback interfaces a lot more to make it 'safe' for that
16:16:40pondlifeIndeed. That's why I want to concentrate on simplicity.
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16:19:42lostlogicok, so here's a related proposal then: _all_ writes to compressed buffer variables are done in one file and on one thread. The codec thread instead of writing to these directly only maintains it's position relative to the current track start, the buffer file and thread can read the current track and offset information when needed to update the buffer available information
16:19:54lostlogics/it's/its/
16:20:08pondlifeYes
16:20:22pondlifeThat would be the BUFFERING process
16:20:49pondlifeI think it's important to seperate these things.
16:21:14lostlogicand do you then think that that should get a separate thread / queue from teh 'audio' thread which handles the UI events and passes them serialized to the codec?
16:21:54pondlifeYes. The UI relates to the PLAYBACK stuff; the buffering should just be happening as a service to the playback.
16:22:18pondlifeI see the buffering as a little squirrel, madly gathering data
16:22:30lostlogicwhile true, this involves a third playback related thread and I hate context switches with a passion
16:22:34pondlifeThen sleeping for a long time
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16:22:55lostlogic'course we could actually make it a short lived thread that is only alive during buffer fill.
16:23:09pondlifeWhy not leave it to sleep?
16:23:17pondlifeThat shouldn't be too inefficient.
16:23:17lostlogicwell same thing, I suppose
16:23:43pondlifeThe voice stuff - do you agree with it being removed and using it's own dedicated codec?
16:23:55lostlogicno, not enough IRAM space
16:24:30lostlogicbut on the other hand yes
16:24:52pondlifePity. I was hoping a voice codec (limited sample frequency) could run without IRAM.
16:25:02pondlifeWhat's the slowest SWCODEC target?
16:25:07lostlogichmm, it might could.
16:25:10lostlogicipod video atm
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16:25:20Mikachuisn't ipod3g slower?
16:25:25lostlogicMikachu: sorta
16:25:38pondlifeI mean on pure decoding - not UI updating.
16:25:38lostlogicthe processor is slower, but the screen updates are so much less costly that it runs faster IIRC
16:25:56Mikachudo you really have to draw on the whole screen? :)
16:26:22lostlogic_currently_ with only 1 core working then ipod 3g is probably slowest
16:26:23pondlifeIt would be so nice to have playback.c only include playback code (all buffering and voice moved elsewhere)
16:27:03pondlifeI only have an H300, that's pretty fast relatively, isn't it?
16:27:09lostlogicyeah, but that involves some quite complex things, including codec rewinding so that we can do pause in the playback code and not the pcm code
16:27:13dan_aIf you want any experiments doing to see what the 3g is capable of, just ask
16:27:29lostlogicpondlife: yes, for raw decoding it's pretty tough.
16:27:45pondlifeThe pause mods can be seperate from the rest of it
16:27:55pondlifeLeave that alone for now I reckon
16:29:12lostlogicanyhow, rather than talking, I think I'm going to try to start coding MoB, after that I think the next task is to split out the buffering onto YetAnotherThread
16:29:18lostlogicnot sure what would be next.
16:30:37barrywardelldan_a: did you see my 3g commit just there? i wonder if there's a bug in i2c-pp5002.c line 154?
16:31:42tanqso... am i better of recopying my 7000 files to my ipod with the original filename/directories than having rockbox create a database
16:31:47MikachuBagder: something odd with the frontpage for commit 12123
16:32:10pondlifelostlogic: Maybe split the buffering first? That would make development of MoB easier I'd think
16:32:27dan_abarrywardell: Not seen that yet - after your PP5020 commit I've been looking at unifying the 2 drivers.
16:32:30pondlifeBut you are Mr. Buffering, so I'll defer to your knowledge!
16:33:14barrywardelldan_a: i was thinking they could be unified. the pp5020 one seems more complete
16:33:27dan_abarrywardell: What's wrong with line 154?
16:33:50barrywardellit's enabling device 0x2, rather than 0x100 which i think it should be
16:34:02barrywardellcompared to the pp5020 code
16:34:18lostlogicpondlife: I think it goes both ways, doing the first one is going to hurt but the latter will be easier for the knowledge and refactoring achieved in the first.
16:35:57dan_aI was looking at the wrong line 154... It doesn't look right, but the I2C seems to work
16:36:40pondlifelostlogic: I take it the attachments to the wiki page are now redundant?
16:36:46lostlogicor obsolete
16:36:47barrywardellit's probably already enabled by the bootloader (the apple bootloader)
16:36:57lostlogicand buffer split first it is, btw ;)
16:37:15pondlifeJust seemed to make sense to clear the decks a bit!
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16:40:18dan_abarrywardell: There's a line in i2c-pp5020.c that looks odd to me: "outl(0x80 | (0 << 8), 0x600060a4)"
16:41:51barrywardelldan_a: yes, I noticed that. I just left it as is since I don't know what that address does
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16:42:35barrywardelldan_a: i was thinking about moving all the *-pp.c files to a portalplayer subdir in the target tree. what do you think?
16:44:32dan_aIt would make sense to keep them together
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16:49:53rp-dan_a: i was able to identify the most part of the i2c code in the original bootloader, but not where the data is sent and more import what data
16:51:06lostlogiccan someone tell me what queue send is compared to queue post and what a queue sender list is?
16:52:11dan_arp-: At a guess, the I2C code you've found will be a subroutine. It will probably get arguments (passed in the registers with R0 being the first argument) telling it either the data to send, or a pointer to the data
16:53:05rp-dan_a: yes, i'm looking at this, i think the arguments are stored on the stack
16:54:59barrywardellrp-: the first four arguments are stored in registers r0-r3. any further arguments are on the stack
16:55:24lostlogicso queue send blocks until the message is picked up by the recipient, cool.
16:55:32rp-ok i'll have a look at that
16:56:39rp-does someone have a good arm asm reference?
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17:05:11dan_abarrywardell: That isn't a bug - without the "DEV_EN |= 0x2;" audio doesn't start playing
17:06:07barrywardelldan_a: ok. still seems a bit strange though
17:06:08dan_arp-: I've been using the ARM instruction set: http://www.security-protocols.com/resources/ARM/QRC0001H_rvct_v2.1_arm.pdf
17:07:11dan_abarrywardell: In better news, with a couple of changes i2c-pp5020.c works perfectly for the PP5002
17:07:12rp-ahh great, thank you dan_a
17:08:34rp-dan_a: is the i2c_init() somewhere called in the current sansa code? or should i just call it before i want to send data?
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17:13:13barrywardelldan_a: great. go ahead and combine them if you hangover allows it ;)
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17:15:59dan_abarrywardell: A decent lunch and a few cups of tea have sorted that out, so I'll commit soon :)
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17:23:56dan_arp-: i2c_init() is called from apps/main.c
17:26:06rp-ok thx
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17:36:31michaelconnerhi all... curious how to flash rombox on an h120? instructions in the wiki seem to be archos-exclusive.
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17:41:05dpassen1michaelconner: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing
17:42:16michaelconneraha! thanks, did not see that one. much appreciated.
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17:47:28motshi, is hibernation or sth like that possible on H300?
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17:49:38Slasherilostlogic: queue_send is synchronous and queue_post asynchronous
17:49:45michaelconnerthanks again... it definitely does boot faster that way. nice work.
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17:59:14jenkinsok i put in the wad files on my 5th gen ipod and im getting error messages saying it cant find CBRICK CREB CTAN and so on. has anyone seen this before and can help?
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18:10:15Sn0whuh
18:10:35Sn0wwhat 5th generation ipod you gotjenkins
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18:11:25barrywardelldan_a: I wonder if that 0x2 is needed for i2s rather than i2c (looking at the ipodlinux pp5020 page)
18:12:06Sn0wbarrywardell: what you just said sounded so confusing to me Lol
18:13:29jenkinsthe video snow
18:13:34dan_abarrywardell: That would make sense.
18:14:23Sn0wjenkins which video ipod
18:14:32Sn0w 30 60 80
18:14:32jenkinssn0w 30 gig
18:15:14Sn0whmmm could not say what happened since i am new i did the rocedure with noe errors
18:15:42jenkinswhich ipod do you have?
18:15:50Sn0w30g ipod video
18:16:01jenkinswhere did you get the files from?
18:16:21Sn0wdaily files latest
18:16:23dan_abarrywardell: I'll leave that code as it is for the moment, but commit the combined driver
18:16:37jenkinsi mean the doom wad files
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18:16:58barrywardelldan_a: ok.
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18:18:11Sn0wnever tried that since i have xbx 360
18:18:33jenkinsthats what i was talking about in the first place :)
18:19:05Sn0w.....see what happens when you get so excited over your birthday you get sick like me and confused...must be old age
18:20:33Sn0wI donated.....I have only but one problem with rockbox
18:20:53Sn0wI iwsh it would boot up more neatly
18:21:08dan_aSn0w: What do you mean?
18:21:43Sn0wafter the apple symbol goes away it does a boot up code or something
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18:22:44dan_aIt tells you a lot of information that is very useful when it doesn't boot... that goes away after a second or so, though!
18:22:54Sn0wtrue
18:23:09Sn0wdan a I am just very picky thats all its a bad habit I have
18:23:24webguest22is there are "credits" or about page for the developers of rokbox
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18:24:47Sn0wrockbox is great and I love how i can drag and drop now on my ipod without more software bein needed......anapod does not work properly and itunes will not work on my computer period
18:25:27dan_awebguest22: The credits file shows who has helped Rockbox, either by development or other means (http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/CREDITS?view=markup)
18:26:28Sn0wi have to test though if rockbox can play video properly
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18:27:15Mouser_XIt can't.
18:27:30Mouser_XAt least, video support is, at best, incomplete.
18:27:58Sn0wreally?
18:28:23Mouser_XYes.
18:28:31Mouser_XIt can't rebuffer the videos.
18:28:47Mouser_XIt'll only play the video for as long as it has it in RAM.
18:28:56Mouser_XOnce it empties the RAM, that's it.
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18:29:12Mouser_XAlso, it doesn't sync audio and video properly.
18:29:33Mouser_X(You can get pretty close if you turn on frame skip, and frame limits though.)
18:30:06Sn0wi notice rockbox does push the ipod to its limit
18:30:23Sn0wi figured playin video would be hard for it
18:31:19Mouser_XThat's not the problem, really. It plays the files, and audio syncing is possible.
18:31:30Mouser_XIt's just not implemented yet.
18:31:43Mouser_XSomeone needs to go and complete it.
18:31:49Sn0wwe will see soon enough i am uploading a video
18:31:57Mouser_XWhat format?
18:32:10Mouser_XRockbox only supports MPEG 1 or 2.
18:32:22Sn0wmpeg correct demnsion specifically for the ipod video 30g
18:32:34Mouser_XAh.
18:35:30Sn0wnope
18:35:33Sn0wdoes not work
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18:37:41Mouser_XRead the Wiki. It'll tell you more specifically what format is needed.
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18:42:11Sn0wOk i found something talking about mpeg play back
18:42:45Sn0wunfortunatly ppl on this site dont like to say hey here is the file you need download it here and apply it like this
18:43:39Sn0wi am surrounded by links and i dunno what i need
18:44:13dan_aSn0w: You need to be on the PluginMpegPlayer page.
18:44:29Sn0wbut i think the file cop.diff is what i need
18:45:45Mouser_XThat's not the case.
18:46:03Mouser_XIf you have a new build, you don't need to apply any patches.
18:46:19Mouser_X(A diff is a patch)
18:46:26dan_aSn0w: You don't *need* a patch for mpeg playback. If you want to improve performance, you need to apply kernel_on_cop_7.diff from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5755
18:46:58dan_aIf you don't know how to apply a patch, then look at WorkingWithPatches
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18:56:03Sn0vvno easy instructions on how to get mpeg playback working
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19:02:24Sn0wthis kinda stuff in open source coding makes me wanna go back to factory firmware
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19:03:02Sn0w....
19:03:06MikachuSn0w: you mean wanting to use a feature before it's done?
19:03:36mattzzdan_a, is this bug in the flash driver (locking up after 20 seconds) on the sansa a serious one?
19:04:24dan_amattzz: I don't know if the locking up bug is in the flash driver. There are serious bugs in the flash driver, though.
19:04:57mattzzdan_a, hm, currently it makes development on the target kind of hard ;-)
19:05:16Sn0wI mean applying the feature
19:06:26dan_amattzz: I'll look in to it.
19:07:02mattzzdan_a, thanks, that would be really great.
19:07:45mattzzdan_a, I am happy about the fact that there is some kind of flash driver existing anyway - good job
19:07:47Sn0wso how do i get the mpeg playback feature working
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19:09:05barrywardelldan_a: does removing the lcd_update not fix it? or are there other problems?
19:10:34dan_abarrywardell: The lcd_update has been there since I committed writing. However, it doesn't pass amiconn's stress test (either before or after the change)
19:11:22barrywardellah, that's not good
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19:12:21dan_aBut I think that is a different problem to the hanging - like I say, that line will have been in the driver for months
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19:13:56dan_aI guess something could have changed to cause more writing than normal
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19:17:05barrywardelldan_a: my theory is that it's jdgordon's settings change
19:17:14barrywardellwriting to a file instead of the config block
19:17:47dan_abarrywardell: Sounds logical
19:17:50mattzzthat could explain the timing of the hang
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19:20:13dan_aThen I'll test getting rid of the lcd_update, see whether that fixes the hangs, and commit if it does. That will leave other bugs in the driver though
19:20:50mattzzare the other bugs known (in terms of flyspray entries) ?
19:21:05dan_amattzz: No
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19:23:53foolshno removing lcd_update does not work i've tried that
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19:24:43dan_afoolsh: It doesn't cure the hangs? I had to put a nop in to make writing work
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19:25:38foolshmy filesystem got currupted too but that my have come from all the rewrites of .rockbox
19:25:48foolshhad format
19:25:57foolshhad to*
19:28:22*foolsh is a novice though hasn't wrote a program in 10 years
19:29:35dan_aHow do I force the hang to happen?
19:31:45foolshI can get it to hang by playing a mp3 and skipping to the next song then back then forward and so on but this could come from something to do with the audio not supported or read a doc then goto the menu then back to the doc
19:32:02foolshand so on
19:32:28foolshits like increased disk access starts the hang
19:32:56dan_aOh, yes, I see
19:34:10barrywardelli forced the hang by trying to delete a file
19:34:38mattzzamiconn, u there?
19:34:47*foolsh is glad he could help hang the e200 but must get some sleep he has to go to work tonight
19:37:42mattzzlinking prob on archos recorder: region FLASH is full
19:38:00mattzz(/home/mattzz/rockbox-dev/rockbox/archos-build/apps/rombox.elf section .rodata)
19:38:23mattzzI dont need the rombox
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19:48:23dan_aIt's not the lcd_update line
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19:51:01dan_aNo, wait, perhaps it is...
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19:59:13dan_amattzz, barrywardell: I've committed what I think fixes the lockups. Can you let me know if you are still seeing them
19:59:31mattzzdan_a, sure, I will check
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20:02:40barrywardelldan_a: i2c-pp5020.h and i2c-pp5002.h are identical now...
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20:03:12dan_abarrywardell: I'd missed that - do you want to fix, or shall I?
20:03:32barrywardelli'll leave you to do it. i have to go out now.
20:04:18dan_aOK
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20:13:56mattzzdan_a, still hangs
20:14:21dan_amattzz: darn
20:14:48mattzzdan_a, wheel light control is sill working though
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20:52:51dan_aLlorean: Seen this yet? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8478.0;topicseen
20:53:41Lloreandan_a: I assume that's the link I've already deleted
20:53:44LloreanWe have a new problem user
20:54:05dan_aIt is/was the Pacbox one
20:54:23LloreanYeah
20:54:42LloreanI already deleted a post of his asking for help finding pacbox ROMs that worked.
20:54:52LloreanI tried to explain to him that asking for ROMs is not allowed in our forums.
20:55:30LloreanHis professional opinion on whether it's illegal and whether or not we should allow it was roughly 'It's the internet dude. They just appear out of air. Why the heck does it matter?'
20:56:00dan_aThat's... incredible.
20:57:15LloreanHe asked how people are supposed to get ROMs, I politely explained that they can be obtained from arcade boards, and that the websites that host them are illegal in many places, and anyway we don't allow discussion. Then I said "Where do you think the sites get them, do they flout in out of the air?"
20:57:20LloreanHis response was: "they do just float in the air stupid."
20:57:25LloreanAnd that is a direct quote.
20:58:20dan_aI would have been tempted to point him towards a site selling butterfly nets, then
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20:58:53Mouser_Xlol
20:58:57LloreanHe's banned, but he already seems to be using a proxy, so he's likely to be back under a new username.
20:59:04LloreanThough he did threaten to leave for iPodWizard.net.
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20:59:36gophey
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21:00:25Lloreangop: What does that have to do with Rockbox?
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21:01:24desowinrockbox doesn't support internet connection ....... yet ;-)
21:01:35gopoh
21:02:20LloreanNot to mention there aren't any devices within its current scope that would have their own connection to the 'net.
21:03:09Soapif rockbox can pull ROMs out of the air, Shirley it can pull IP packets out of the air.
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21:04:39dan_aI've been toying with the idea of starting a port to the Sharp Zaurus so that we have something we can use an IP stack on.
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21:32:20midgeydan_a: red build
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21:33:19dan_amidgey: Thank you
21:33:50midgeyjust protecting you from the wrath of amiconn :)
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22:03:51*Bagder fixed the front page table
22:04:39dan_aBagder: It looks like there might be a build server hung too
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22:05:19dan_a(at least, the current build seems to be taking a long time)
22:05:30Bagderdone now
22:05:41Bagderbut indeed 809 seconds...
22:07:30dan_aA long time when you want to be sure that all the red you introduced is gone
22:07:46Bagderhehe
22:08:13Bagderits hard to image there once was a time we had no commit builds...
22:09:27Mikachui'm not sure it's not my fault, but with svn and cop7 i had very slow menus, it went away when i unpatched cop7 again (had cop6 before)
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22:14:58tucozBagder, sorry for stressing the svn server today. i was gathering statistics for statsvn. in case you are interested, i could send you my cache-file.
22:15:32Bagdersince Mikachu took the elephants, we have plenty of bandwidth to play with ;-)
22:15:43bluebrotheroh, will we get a nice svn statistics page?
22:15:53bluebrother;-)
22:16:26tucozunfortunatley i have no hosting of my own, but i can mail the cache file for someone to try
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22:17:29bluebrotherwhen I'm finished with uni in a couple of months I need to look how I can get webspace then ...
22:17:42bluebrotherbut currently my space is pretty limited :(
22:18:14tucozthe stats pages is ~17MB
22:18:30bluebrotherurgh. Too big :(
22:18:31tucozlots of images
22:19:05tucozzipped ~5Mb
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22:21:35bluebrothermaybe I should setup a server at home ...
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22:27:47bluebrotherbtw, any interesting results from statsvn?
22:28:04tucozbagder is the top developer
22:28:15Bagderwooo
22:28:24tucozwith linuxstb as a runner up, and amiconn third
22:28:33*Bagder changes a lot of whitespace... :-P
22:28:56tucozthis is mainly .c and .h files. and with .lang scripts etc included
22:29:00Bagderquantity, not quality has always been my lead words
22:29:04tucozhehe
22:29:07bluebrother*g*
22:29:21bluebrothermaybe I should change to that too ... :P
22:30:16tucozbut the whitespace changes improves the qualitey of the source files
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22:32:06bluebrotherhmm. This file not found thing when building the manual is ... a bit strange.
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22:33:00tucozyes. but look in the generated makefile. you see that TOOLSDIR is pointing to the platform directory for some reason
22:33:23bluebrotheryes, noticed that. Strangely it seems I can only reproduce this on my old machine.
22:33:35bluebrotherbut I need to try on the other one later
22:33:50tucozbbl
22:35:17bluebrotherhmm, I can quite easily fix that by not using TOOLSDIR
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22:37:05Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/svn/
22:37:34Bagderthat's tucoz statsvn stuff
22:37:52LloreanWow, 2006 showed a lot of growth
22:38:37dan_aI imagine the irivers and ipods helped with that
22:38:59LloreanWell, it doubled in the number of lines of code, from the looks of it.
22:39:02bluebrothernice
22:39:16LloreanWith over 100,000 added in Aprilish?
22:39:21Bagdercodecs
22:39:24LloreanDid we add a big codec...
22:39:25bluebrotherwow, contributed LOC.
22:39:25LloreanRight.
22:40:10BagderApril 2006 was over 250000 loc
22:40:15bluebrotherhehe. Developer of the month for January 2002 :)
22:40:16Zagormeh, apps/lang: 207416 lines of code
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22:40:37Zagorno wonder you win, bagder :-)
22:40:38Bagderyeah, that seems like I've gotten a lot of lang stuff on me
22:40:44decayedcellanyone know how to install multiple versions of GCC
22:40:53decayedcelland then switch between these versions
22:40:59Bagderdecayedcell: just change install path
22:41:02ender`install each into it's own prefix
22:41:05Bagderand edit PATH accordingly
22:41:13decayedcellso when compiling
22:41:18tucozexcluded stuff is: *.wps, www/*, *.bmp, *.tex. *.png, *.svg, *.pdf and *.bdf
22:41:24decayedcelljust do a export PATH=
22:41:27decayedcelland that should work
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22:41:51Soapapril 2006 was the language adds
22:42:04tucozmarkun is the champion if .bdf is included
22:42:08Bagdertucoz: *.lang should probably be excluded too
22:42:14tucozprobably
22:42:30dan_aIt seems I do 1/4 of my commits at 1am - but never on a Friday.
22:42:45Bagderthe langs along are 250000 lines
22:42:52Bagdera bit misleading
22:42:57tucozi can generate a new one
22:43:22Soap53,000 lines of .lang rework by amiconn on the 1st, and 177,000 lines on the 3rd by bagder
22:43:22Bagderplease do
22:43:41bluebrotherseems I'm most active on tuesdays
22:43:53Soapand does the scipt differentiate between changed lines and added lines?
22:44:07BagderI don't think so
22:44:12Soapthe monthly breakdowns list everything as a "change"
22:44:23Bagdertrue
22:44:28tucozyou can read about the script here. http://svn.statsvn.org/statsvnwiki/index.php/UserManual
22:44:37Soapbut the graphs appear to count them as adds
22:44:39bluebrotherI'm a bit surprised to not see my most activity in the manual module
22:44:50tucoz.tex is excluded
22:44:57bluebrotherhehe, the addition of the manual credits in doc/
22:45:03bluebrotheraah.
22:46:19bluebrotherwould be awesome if that stat would now also link to viewvc
22:46:22*bluebrother dreams
22:46:41tucozbluebrother, it can
22:46:47decayedcellwhats the difference between the core GCC package and the full one
22:46:51tucozbut not now
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22:47:03Bagderdecayedcell: a lot of different languages added in the full one, iirc
22:47:08bluebrotherstats are nice, but it's nothing important ...
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22:47:23decayedcellbut only the core one is required because it has C and C++?
22:47:50bluebrotherif you only need c and c++ the core is sufficient (afaik)
22:47:59tucozBagder, uploaded
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22:49:25Bagderthat pushed me down to forth
22:49:37Bagderand dave hit the roof
22:50:03Zagorexclude plugins! ;-P
22:50:10Bagderhahaha
22:51:09Bagderso friday is my favourite commit day
22:51:19Bagderaround 14
22:51:43ZagorI find my 15:00 commit peak rather interesting. It's quite pronounced.
22:52:19bluebrothernow my favorite commit day is thursday around midnight :)
22:52:43Bagderthe time is probably GMT ?
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22:54:11tucozBagder, do you want one with viewvc links? ;)
22:54:33Bagdersure!
22:55:56ZagorI'm toying with the idea to write an irc log reader, with a bit of css and js to make it easier to read (colored nicks, idented text, highlight selected people etc). Has anyone seen anything like that?
22:56:07tucozYes. hold on
22:56:17bluebrotherZagor, I wrote something like that some time ago
22:56:35BagderZagor: sounds like something we could use
22:56:36bluebrothersimply colors the logfiles a bit.
22:56:51Zagorbluebrother: is it viewable somewhere?
22:56:58amiconnHmm, the 'file types' table is missing a separate line for .S
22:56:58Bagderand having the long lines not force you to scroll horizontally...
22:57:09tucozZagor, the logs for ubuntu use something like that
22:57:10ZagorBagder: exactly. lots of neat little options.
22:57:19Zagortucoz: do you have a link?
22:57:23tucoza perl script i think
22:57:26Soapperhaps remove the joins/parts too?
22:57:28tucozi am looking for it
22:57:34ZagorSoap: yes, optionally
22:57:36BagderSoap: yeah
22:57:42bluebrotherZagor, not yet. Give me some minutes ...
22:58:04amiconnHahaaa, wavplay.c is in the top ten of largest files
22:58:42amiconnMost of that is just giant array definitions
22:58:52Bagderapps/tree.c has most revisions
22:59:07tucozZagor, example http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-devel-2006-05-01.html
22:59:20tucozZagor, http://freshmeat.net/projects/irclog2html.pl/
22:59:45LloreanSoap: I always search for my parts to know where to start reading the logs, at least.
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23:00:03Soapthat's not a bad idea at all.
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23:00:10tucozit does not work right out the box for the rockbox logs though. should be a simple fix though.
23:00:22tucozBagder, uploaded
23:00:34Soapand freenode apears to be stable again. Netsplits really made a mess of the logs for a while there.
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23:00:53Zagortucoz: I'd like to make it more advanced anyway (on-the-fly user adjustable)
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23:01:06Zagorbut that should be a good starting point
23:01:54Bagderlinus has two users on the top-10... :-)
23:01:55bluebrotherZagor, http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/irc-highlight/
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23:02:29bluebrotherthe log file is hard coded atm. But that is only because I stopped working on it at some point
23:02:39amiconntucoz: Hmm, does the script allow to merge developer names if they are in fact one and the same person?
23:03:15Bagderlinus would climb to #3
23:03:34amiconnyup
23:05:09tucozamiconn, not sure. that would be useful though
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23:05:46tucozdoesn't look like it is possible
23:05:52ZagorHeh, I've never noticed the logbot time format is hh.mm.ss. uuuugly! :)
23:06:13Bagdercrazy authors
23:06:29amiconnhehe
23:08:05tucozafk
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23:08:32bluebrotherZagor, in case you're interested in the source: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/irc-highlight/index.phps
23:08:44bluebrotherhaven't worked too hard on it ;-)
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23:09:08decayedcell*** The command 'gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c' failed.
23:09:09decayedcellman...
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23:09:27Zagorbluebrother: thanks, but I think I'll start from scratch. neither of those two scipts are very advanced so the benefit of doing it my way from scratch outweighs it.
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23:09:47amiconnhmpf
23:10:12bluebrothersure. You could add cool stuff like displaying the real name for developers as name property
23:10:34bluebrotherdidn't remember it was _that_ short ;-)
23:11:24Zagor:-)
23:11:31amiconndan_a: I wonder what's up with the sansa disk driver that it doesn't pass the stress test.
23:12:15bluebrotherI planned to add a search field that would highlight all messages containing that string at once. Never did it though
23:12:17amiconnAll the targets I have do pass it, also with further increased data size
23:12:21dan_aamiconn: I don't know. It gets quite a way before it hits a problem.
23:13:35amiconnI what way does it fail, btw?
23:13:42amiconns/I/In/
23:13:46dan_aIt dies with a compare error.
23:14:04amiconnIn the beginning, or after comparing for some time?
23:14:18dan_aAfter quite a long time
23:14:35Zagornicks can't contain space, can they?
23:14:40*amiconn wonders whether the writing or the reading is at fault
23:16:13*amiconn also wonders how difficult it would be to add exact error position reporting, together with the (pseudo-random) write and read chunk sizes and alignments
23:17:38amiconnThe plugin helped me in finding one bug in my asm optimised transfer routines for arm - but that bug happened in the very beginning for unaligned transfers
23:17:55amiconnJust using a hex editor was enough
23:18:00dan_aI'd like to know the exact sector it's comparing.
23:18:25amiconnThe plugin doesn't know about the sector, it uses plain file operations
23:18:25dan_aI'd be surprised if it was read errors because they should show up in other things
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23:20:14dan_a(for example, I'd imagine that the Doom wad would not load correctly)
23:21:10decayedcellugh looks like another reformat and reinstall for me lol
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23:40:11decayedcellhas anyone tried the patch in FS6357? sounds interesting
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23:52:57*Bagder introduces a new irc log index page
23:54:02Zagorwe've got one or two logs now...
23:54:33Bagderamen
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