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#rockbox log for 2007-01-28

00:01:14]RowaN[the latest sansa build seems to freeze if you spin the scroll wheel too quickly =/
00:02:54dan_a]RowaN[: The latest Sansa builds seem to freeze if you do all sorts of things
00:03:13]RowaN[oh yeah
00:04:25dan_aI'm looking at it (along with several other things)
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00:23:11decayedcelllinuxstb are you here?
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00:41:02delorean90hello
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00:42:28*Mouser_X likes DeLoreans.
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00:56:42KCCDeLoreans are solid cars
00:56:47KCChahaa, pretty random there Mouser
00:56:55KCCim a car freak myself
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01:01:02Soap<delorean90> hello
01:01:02Soap* Mouser_X likes DeLoreans.
01:01:06Soaprandom?
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01:11:42SoapI'm going to try again in a second to verify - but it appears that the kernel on COP #7 patch makes my 5th gen run very slow compared to a stock build.
01:12:48tanqfinally.. i just found the forum post about the database update failing..
01:12:53tanqarg..
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01:25:02fiveofohIs there any interest in developing RockBox for smaller players like the Sansa M200 series?
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01:25:27SoapI made a build yesterday, right after commit #12120, and found that kernel on cop #6 no longer worked. So, instead of being a good boy and resyncing the patch I removed #12120, applied the patch, and made a build which functioned smoothly.
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01:26:33SoapI reapplied #12120 today, updated SVN, applied kernel on cop #7, and my ipod was running like molassas in january.
01:26:49Hotfusionman I hate my xp. 2 gigs of ram and if I have to many things open it wont open anything and I have ram left over
01:26:54Hotfusionanyway hi people
01:27:00Soapso I removed kernel on cop #7, recompiled, and my ipod ran fine again.
01:27:25LloreanSoap: Did you check the debug screen to see if the threads were supposedly on the COP?
01:27:28Soapwow Hotfusion. I only have 320 megs here, and no such problems.
01:27:36SoapLlorean: no I did not.
01:27:37Hotfusionmy xp is weird
01:27:52Mouser_XSo's mine, but it opens what I want.
01:28:02Mouser_XUptime: 3 weeks 21 hours 15 minutes 30 seconds
01:28:06Mouser_XThough, I should probably reboot...
01:28:06Hotfusionit's like I have to many things open
01:28:07Hotfusionlol
01:28:19*Llorean points out that this is #Rockbox before OT gets too much on a roll.
01:28:27Mouser_X...
01:28:29Mouser_XSorry.
01:28:44LloreanSoap: Though it'd be odd for it to be slower with COP than without, unless something else strange is going on.
01:28:48Hotfusionsvn done eh
01:28:53Hotfusioncool have to try it
01:30:11SoapLlorean: I am in the process of taking current svn minus 12120, plus kernel on cop #6 and doing a compile to try and narrow it down. My theory (as uneducated as theories can get) was that kernel on cop #7 wasn't synced 100% correctly, and I was trying to narrow it down to that - with all the PP commits today I thought elimination was a good idea. BUT - I should have done what you suggested.
01:31:17SoapFor it was running more slowly with the patch than it ever did stock. It wasn't a lack-of-improvement I was seeing, rather a degredation.
01:32:14LloreanMaybe about half the speed?
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01:34:49BiptoNsoap: that's odd, cop on my 4g tears it up
01:34:58BiptoNi'll be gettin my 5.5 30gb monday
01:35:08BiptoNi'll have to put that cop on there also
01:35:14LloreanBiptoN: With #7?
01:35:31LloreanSoap: Yeah, definitely degrades performance on my Nano as well, though it shows threads as being in the COP supposedly.
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01:36:36BiptoNlemme dbl check....
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01:38:48BiptoNeeekk, nm it was koc6
01:38:55BiptoN7 just froze
01:39:13BiptoNVERY SLOW INDEED
01:42:25BiptoNwith kernel on cop 7 i noticed the remaining battery time in zezayer was just a big ol' 7 or 8 digit number
01:46:33Soapthe way I removed 12120 before was to view the diff from the front page, save the text as a .patch file, and then do a "patch -p0 -R" with the resulting text file. I don't see an easier way on the "working with SVN" wiki page, but I must believe there is an easier way. Is there?
01:48:04LloreanYou could just have SVN output a diff between 12120 and 12119 I imagine, though I don't know the exact command you'd do to set that up.
01:48:19dionoeausing svn merge svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk@12120 svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk@12119 .
01:48:28dionoea(while in your rockbox svn checkout)
01:49:03Soapand that, dionoea, will remove 12120?
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01:50:39yuriksHmmmmmm
01:50:42dionoeayes. maybe you can even use svn merge -c -12120 .
01:50:47dionoeaSoap: seems easier :)
01:50:50dionoeaand it works
01:51:04yuriksI'm pondering wether to rip my multi-disk albums to separate folders/id3 or join them
01:52:16Soapwow, thank you very much dionoea. Just to be sure, that process will work at any time? It will work even if my SVN is no longer at 12120, but is at 12130 (for example)?
01:53:02yuriksooo, SVN? What ya talking about?
01:53:47Soaphmm, I get "svn: invalid option character: c"
01:54:47dionoeaSoap: yes it will work
01:55:46Soapreading svn merge help, should that be a -r not a -c?
01:56:03dionoeai have -c too here
01:56:11dionoea-c -rev == -r N:N-1
01:56:21dionoea-c rev == -r N-1:N
01:56:23Soaphmm
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01:56:47dionoeai have svn version 1.4.2 here
01:56:47Soaphow do I check what version of svn I have?
01:56:51dionoea−−version
01:57:05Soapthat would do it.
01:57:09Soap1.1.4 here
01:57:19dionoeathat's quite old
01:58:02SoapI swear it is what apt-get got me, I'll see what upgrade does.
01:58:15dionoeausing debian sarge ?
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01:58:31Soapyes
01:58:50dionoeawell sarge packages will be old
01:59:14Soapyea, I must have installed SVN before I switched repositories to upgrade make to 3.81
01:59:20dionoea1.1.4 is latest in sarge
01:59:26Lloreandionoea: It's not working for me with 1.4.2 =/
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01:59:39LloreanDifferent problem though
01:59:43LloreanNot enough arguments?
01:59:45*dionoea must have a magical svn build :)
01:59:59dionoeaLlorean: what command line did you use ?
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02:00:11Lloreansvn merge -c -12120 to try it out.
02:00:17dionoeayou forgot the dot at the end
02:00:19dionoea'.'
02:00:25LloreanAh
02:00:28dionoea:)
02:00:44dionoeayou have to tell it which dir you want to apply that to
02:00:51LloreanRight
02:01:33dionoeahum, weird. If WCPATH is omitted, a default value of '.' is assumed
02:01:39dionoeait should have worked :/
02:01:46LloreanApparently it simply dislikes me.
02:01:50yuriks"stable" distributions/people should be shot
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02:02:16dionoeaLlorean: why ?
02:02:23yuriksI'm having crappy bugs like these:
02:02:28Lloreandionoea: I dunno. If I knew why it disliked me, I could fix it. ;)
02:02:29yurikshttp://www.nonlogic.org/wiki/index.php?title=C_From_Scratch
02:02:41*Soap googles how to switch from stable to unstable.
02:02:44*yuriks rubs chinhttp://www.nonlogic.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:C_From_Scratch
02:02:48yurikserr
02:02:49yurikshttp://www.nonlogic.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:C_From_Scratch
02:02:51dionoeaSoap: vim /etc/apt/sources.list
02:02:58dionoeachange sarge/stable -> sid/unstable
02:03:04dionoeaapt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
02:03:58Lloreanyuriks: Why on Earth are you spamming that link in here?
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02:06:09Soaplookst like I will be updating the colinux image again.
02:06:34yuriksLlorean: nothing, just part of my "I hate outdated software" rant =P
02:06:49yurikssee how the stuff in the category doesn't shows when you come from a redirect?
02:06:55Lloreanyuriks: Well this is a logged channel, please don't spam irrelevant links.
02:07:17yuriksLlorean: why does it being logged make any difference?
02:07:20yuriksand sorry
02:07:46LloreanBecause many of us read through the logs to see if we've missed anything important, and the more extra stuff there is in the logs, the harder it is to find the important bits.
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02:18:37Zagorfirst test shot: http://bjorn.haxx.se/ircreader/
02:19:16Zagorthe random colors need to be adjusted, and some options added
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02:19:52Zagorfont should probably be selectable too
02:20:46Zagorbut not tonight, I'm way past my bedtime already. nighty nighty.
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02:21:30yurikswoo
02:21:31yuriksI got 2,4gb of music for 2 artists
02:21:40yuriks=]
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02:27:45Soappeople should be able to donate to define their own color.
02:27:47Soap;)
02:27:56Soapplease no blue background.
02:28:17scorcheSoap: didnt i tell you before how to change a repository?
02:28:33scorcheand didnt you do it successfully?
02:28:52Soapscorche: you did, and it was enough to get the newest make, but not enough to get the newest svn.
02:29:18scorcheah
02:29:33Soapso I'll just go full-out and move to unstable
02:29:54tchanIn case any of you need the docs on using svn −−> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/
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02:30:10*yuriks is happy with Gentoo and not having to mess with all this repository kludge, YUCK!
02:31:43Soapbelieve me, scorche, I have our whole conversation logged.
02:35:29scorcheheh....
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02:36:19XavierGrnice irc reader Zagor
02:37:09XavierGrmaybe you could add background colour to nicks too
02:37:46XavierGrthat's what I've done to my mIRC script to colourize the developers' chat
02:38:17XavierGrbah he is not here.... :P
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02:48:36dopeis there a possiblity that rockbox can brick my ipod?
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02:49:16scorcheno
02:49:44scorcheworst case scenario (you deviate from our instructions), you have to re-format it
02:49:52dopeah ok
02:50:00dopeformatting isn't really a big deal
02:50:22scorches/re-format/restore
02:50:29scorchebut either way, all data is lost
02:50:49dopeas long as no bricking takes place
02:51:00scorcheit is quite hard to brick an ipod
02:51:18dopegood :D
02:51:24dopemy buddy almost did once
02:51:49scorchealmost doesnt cut it ;)
02:52:12dopeyea but it was close!
02:52:17LloreanHow do you know it was close?
02:52:29dopeit didn't really do much
02:52:30LloreanWhat is 'close' to bricking?
02:52:37dopecouldn't access it
02:52:44LloreanClearly he could if he could recover it. ;)
02:52:45dopethen one day it started working
02:52:55scorcheit either is bricked, or isnt....there are no shades
02:53:16LloreanWe take brick to mean "non-recoverable without opening the device"
02:53:18dopewell it was the weirdest thing cause it wouldn't function at all and then a couple days later everything was well
02:53:33LloreaniPods do funny things if the battery gets low.
02:53:59dopehow do you gues feel about DRM?
02:54:18SoapI've heard of it.
02:54:23LloreanRockbox doesn't support any DRMed formats and is unlikely ever to.
02:54:53dopethat's fine
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02:55:04dopedoes rockbox interface with itunes ok?
02:55:13LloreanRockbox doesn't "interface" with anything.
02:55:17dopecause i ues itunes for podcasts
02:55:24dopedoes it work properly with itunes
02:55:32LloreanRockbox can index any audio files you've got on the player.
02:55:39LloreanBut it doesn't have any additional podcast-specific features.
02:55:46scorcheprovided they are in a format that rockbox can read
02:55:55dopethey should just be mp3
02:56:03Soap"enhanced" podcasts might present a problem.
02:56:53dopeenhanced?
02:57:34Soapthose which have additional content in the metadata.
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02:57:56dopeoh....like a picture for the screen?
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02:58:34Soapno - album art won't be read, but won't cause harm. There was a forum thread two months or so ago about them. I'll try to dig it up.
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03:00:28dopei just read something about the daily builds don't have fonts?
03:00:39LloreanYou just have to download the font archive
03:02:31yuriksyes, iPods do weird stuff when they get ow on battery =P
03:02:32scorcheLlorean: would you mind if i asked Job Van Dam to remove his signature?....it is extremely annoying...
03:03:04yurikslike getting stuck on the iPodLinux bootloader and never getting to charge =P
03:03:12Lloreanscorche: Yeah. We don't have an official policy. Tell him that you've gotten complaints from users that it makes threads more difficult to read.
03:03:20LloreanAsk him politely to remove it.
03:03:20yurikshaha
03:03:26LloreanIf he objects, we can talk about creating a policy.
03:03:28yuriks"you've gotten complaints from users"
03:03:37scorchewell, i am a user and it does...
03:03:41Lloreanyuriks: I know of at least two users who've complained about it. Three if you count scorche himself.
03:03:49yuriksah
03:04:10LloreanIt's not a lie, but it doesn't tell the whole truth. And that helps keep it diplomatic for the time being.
03:04:27yuriksok, now why does transferring stuff the iPod make my system slow? -_-
03:04:32LloreanI may be the evil dictator of the forums, but I can still try to ease things along.
03:04:39Lloreanyuriks: Clearly your computer doesn't like iPods.
03:05:04yuriksmaybe it's because my RAM sucks =P
03:05:09yuriksI need to get more ram =P
03:05:16yuriks1gb rocked when I had it =[
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03:09:53SoapFour
03:10:21yuriksFive
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03:12:06Soapyuriks: if transfering stuff to your ipod makes your system slow - I would look at your motherboard / USB card drivers.
03:12:26SoapI have very little ram, and have no system issues when transfering.
03:12:32dopedo i need to unmount the ipod before i install the bootloader?
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03:14:57yuriksdope: yeah
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03:15:13yuriksSoap: well, it just makes it swap more, but that makes it slow =P
03:15:25yuriksbut why it makes it swap if I still have 20mb free? =[
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03:23:37dopehow do i unmount the ipod
03:23:50dopeis it sudo umount /media/ipod ?
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03:28:08decayedcellhow do i update the Rockbox source to SVN, reverting all modified files
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03:29:22tchansvn revert -R .
03:30:10yurikssweet, passwordless login works =D
03:32:41*Soap 's favorite command ^^
03:33:45decayedcellhmm
03:33:59decayedcelleven doing that I can't seem to get Barry's common bootloader patch working properly
03:34:10decayedcellthe firmware compiles fine, but it always screws up when I compile the bootloader
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03:37:28webguest97i need help. i flashed my h120 along time ago in august. never updated until now and now i get a codec error.
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03:39:46webguest97i tried to reflash it but it says incompatable version.
03:40:07Lloreanwebguest97: Are you rebooting into the on-disk version before trying to flash?
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03:41:07webguest97im not sure. how do i check this?
03:41:49LloreanYou have to manually do it...
03:41:59LloreanRead the flashing instructions...
03:43:09dopei try to run the ipodpatcher but it tells me my drive isn't an ipod :(
03:43:28webguest97says i have to load bootloader.iriver with the iriver_flash plugin right?
03:43:33yurikswtf, this normalization is awful
03:43:46*yuriks re rips the cd without normalization
03:43:58Lloreanyuriks: Remember, #Rockbox, not #RandomStuff
03:44:04yuriks=[
03:44:19Lloreanwebguest97: Click on the rockbox.iriver file to reboot, while in Rockbox, first.
03:44:27LloreanSo that you've loaded the on-disk new version.
03:46:57webguest97ok
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03:47:56dopecan someone give me some help with the ipodpatcher. when i run it it says drive is not an Ipod
03:47:59dopeand i know it is
03:48:23Lloreandope: What iPod is it?
03:48:26webguest97that worked. i musta missed that file before
03:48:28dopevideo
03:48:37Lloreandope: And what's the exact command line you're running?
03:48:54dope./ipodpatcher /dev/sdc2 -r bootpartition.bin
03:49:04Llorean /dev/sdc2 is not a drive. It's a partition.
03:49:09LloreanTry /dev/sdc
03:49:14dopecrap
03:49:18LloreanAs the instructions tell you to...
03:49:35webguest97ok i have the flash version loaded
03:49:44dopeguess i missed that
03:49:51dope:x
03:50:06LloreanPeople tend to assume it works the way the old version worked.
03:50:16LloreanThough, the old version would've used /dev/sdc1 anyway.
03:50:17dopewell i'm not on osx
03:50:22dopeso i skipped that part
03:50:51dopeall good now though :)
03:50:51webguest97Llorean can i flash now the way i usually have to? load bootloader.iriver from iriver_flash plugin?
03:50:52LloreanWhich part?
03:51:16dopethe mac osx users only part where they talk about unmounting the ipod
03:51:17Lloreanwebguest97: Is there some specific reason you're updating the bootloader?
03:51:23dopein there i see the numbers are partitions
03:51:41webguest97no but i loaded the flash version. and then restarted the player and got the codec failure again
03:51:53Lloreandope: Yes, but it's generally expected that linux users know to an extent how the /dev/sda represents the device and /dev/sda1 represents the partition on the device.
03:52:04dopei'm still learning
03:52:12dopeso that's something new i know now
03:52:17Lloreanwebguest97: What do you mean "loaded the flash version and then restarted the device?"
03:52:40LloreanAll I told you to do was click on rockobox.iriver before trying to flash.
03:53:02LloreanIf you restart after doing that, you'll go back to using the outdated copy in your flash memory, which may not work with the newest copies of the codecs on your disk.
03:53:26webguest97i loaded the rockbox.iriver and it restarted. then shut off the player and then i got codec failure. how do i make it always load the new version?
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03:53:47Lloreanwebguest97: You need to flash then new version.
03:53:56Lloreanwebguest97: Have you actually *read* the IriverFlashing page carefully?
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03:54:48Lloreanwebguest97: After clicking the rockbox.iriver so that you're using the on-disk version follow either "Flashing Procedure" or "Flashing with Rombox" depending on which one you were using before.
03:55:04dopedoesn't rockbox have themes?
03:55:32Lloreandope: Yes. They're discussed in the manual and can be found at the WpsGallery wiki page.
03:56:00dopethx
03:56:21webguest97i get incompatable bootloader
03:56:35Lloreanwebguest97: What file are you trying to run with iriver_flash?
03:56:36webguest97after i open rombox.iriver with iriver_flash
03:56:43webguest97rombox.iriver
03:56:46LloreanThen you need to update your bootloader first.
03:58:20webguest97ok
03:59:21webguest97Llorean: ok i did both. now which do i want as default? ram image or rom image?
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04:00:27Lloreanwebguest97: Um, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to tell you what you want. It's your choice.
04:01:18webguest97whats the difference between ram and rom image?
04:02:24LloreanThe RAM image is copied to ram. It'll respond slightly faster but takes up RAM. The ROM image is executed from ROM. It may be slightly slower (I'm not sure if it is, or if it'll be noticeable) but uses less total RAM.
04:02:54webguest97ok ill use the rom image then.
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04:06:03webguest97thank you very much Llorean. now i have to do this every time i upgrade rockbox? the flash procedure.
04:06:18LloreanYep. That's the cost of running it in flash.
04:06:24webguest59hey i am installing rockbox right now. i am working with command prompts and am having some trouble
04:06:25LloreanYou shouldn't need to ever do the bootloader again
04:06:32webguest59sorry for interrupting the conversation
04:06:33LloreanBut the in-RAM and in-ROM images need to be reflashed
04:06:36webguest59but
04:06:39webguest59i really need help
04:06:51webguest97Llorean ok but i have to open rombox.iriver with the iriver_flash plugin is all i have to do?
04:07:10Lloreanwebguest97: At a minimum, yes. You may want to do rockbox.iriver too
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04:07:15webguest59whenever i enter a command it says "enter command number"
04:07:36dopedo i extract the themes right into the theme folder?
04:07:38webguest59what am i supposed to do if this part happens?
04:07:45dopei'd assume yes
04:08:13Lloreandope: Most themes include several folders, and should be extracted either to the root, or to .rockbox
04:08:19webguest97Llorean ok. i didnt do rockbox.iriver this time. shoud i do it now?
04:08:32Lloreanwebguest59: That's what your command prompt says to you, exactly? A direct quote?
04:08:38webguest59yes
04:08:39Lloreanwebguest97: It's not necessary.
04:08:52dopeah ok
04:08:53Lloreanwebguest59: What Windows are you using? Does "dir" work?
04:08:59webguest59i was on the bootloader installation stage
04:09:08webguest59and whenever i press enter after a command
04:09:12webguest59this is what it tells me
04:10:04webguest97ok then i wont. now that i got the procedure down it should be easier for me. this is my cousins player anyways and hes not a computer person
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04:11:09Lloreanwebguest59: Did you see my question?
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04:11:32webguest59i'm using xp. "dir"? what does that mean?
04:11:39LloreanIt's a command... at the command prompt
04:11:44LloreanIt shows you the contents of the folder you're in.
04:11:50LloreanWithout the quotes. Just dir
04:11:50webguest59oh
04:12:02webguest59well i'm on the first step of installing the bootloader
04:12:10webguest59when shoul di type in dir?
04:12:15webguest59*should i
04:12:16LloreanAt the command prompt.
04:12:23webguest59before anything else?
04:12:34LloreanI'm just trying to find something out, it has nothing to do with installing
04:13:02webguest59ok
04:13:05webguest59i typed in dir
04:13:11webguest59it showed me a directory of things on my computer
04:13:12webguest59but
04:13:23webguest59it is still asking me to enter a command number
04:13:45LloreanAre the exact words "Enter a command number" ?
04:13:55webguest59"enter command number"
04:14:02webguest59it shows up in a white box
04:14:15LloreanThere is something configured strangely about your computer.
04:14:23webguest59hmmmm
04:14:29webguest59is there anything that i can do to fix this?
04:14:35webguest59maybe if i log in as somebody else?
04:14:49LloreanThe "Enter command number" box is the result of some other software installed on it or some configuration setting. I have no way of knowing what is causing this.
04:15:00webguest59ok
04:15:05webguest59well this isn't good news
04:15:29webguest59no ideas on what might be the type of program that is causing this?
04:15:49webguest59or how to get past this?
04:16:37LloreanIt's your responsibility to know how your own computer is set up. Considering the number of programs out there, it could be anything all the way down to something a friend of yours wrote and installed as a prank.
04:16:54webguest59yeah
04:16:56webguest59hmmm
04:17:01webguest59that's too bad
04:17:11LloreanIt could also simply be an aspect of windows I'm not aware of.
04:17:12webguest59i wish i knew more about computer programming
04:17:17webguest59yeah
04:17:20LloreanBut Google didn't suggest anything to me immediately.
04:17:27webguest59i searched it too
04:17:37webguest59it seems that it is usually associated with doing certain things
04:17:42webguest59in the command prompt
04:17:49webguest59like while using certain programs or something like that
04:20:14webguest59 think i found a program that might help
04:20:19webguest59prompt pal
04:20:25webguest59it may help, it may not
04:20:54webguest59 guess i'll see
04:21:47SoapI'll pay you a dollar, webguest59, if you could get your thoughts on one line at a time instead of eight.
04:22:08webguest59oh i'm sorry. that is how i usually type. i'll stop if you don't like it.
04:26:19webguest59but the prompt pal seems to be working. i'll stay on just in case i have any more questions on the rest of the installation process
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04:32:43decayedcellum
04:32:49decayedcelli removed the bootloader
04:32:57decayedcelland now my ipod won't boot up at all
04:33:32LloreanRestore your backed up bootpartition then.
04:33:53decayedcellwhen i connect it to the computer
04:33:59decayedcellit doesn't recognise the device
04:34:04decayedcellit doesn't go into disk mode
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04:36:19decayedcellhmm
04:36:25decayedcellgot it running in diagnostic mode
04:36:31decayedcell*crosses fingers*
04:37:09scorcheSoap: webguest59 doesnt look like the only one with that issue =/
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04:38:27Soapdecayedcell: I'll pay you a dollar if you could get you thoughts on one line at a time instead of six.
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04:39:26Lloreandecayedcell: If you can't get it to go into Disk Mode, you aren't doing it right. Disk Mode is in flash.
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04:40:27Drkepiloguehi
04:40:31Chris_'lo?
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04:40:37Drkepiloguei just install rockbox on my ipod mini2g
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04:40:40Drkepilogueit loads RB just fine
04:40:41webguest59well i have a new question. i have installed rockbox, but now i want to upload my music database. i am confused about where to start. do i need to have my ipod connected to my computer? where do i need to go to initialize the database?
04:40:48Drkepiloguebut it cant load the Orginal Frimware
04:40:59decayedcellSoap okay I'll try I'm just a bit too used to typing in MSN
04:41:07Chris_webguest: the install guides do a good job explain ing that
04:41:58Lloreanwebguest59: It's in the manual.
04:42:24LloreanDrkepilogue: That seems to be a bug with the current version of iPodPatcher. If you have your original bootpartition.bin, try restoring that and then reinstalling the bootloader and see if it helps
04:42:35Chris_how about a tough question: are Julius' builds all I need to run his themes? I've installed a ton of different builds today, including his and Senab's, and I can't get it to work still
04:43:08LloreanChris_: They're Unsupported Builds. You pretty much need to ask him if you have a problem with his custom builds.
04:43:17Chris_gah, go figure
04:43:21Drkepiloguei uninstall the bootloader and reinstall it a few times, same result
04:43:40LloreanDrkepilogue: "Uninstall the bootloader" is different from "Restoring the original bootpartition"
04:43:48Chris_Drkepilogue: just a thought: try restoring your iPod using iTunes and reinstalling RockBox
04:44:28Drkepiloguehmm, Lorean, what is the difference???*i sound kinda dumb*
04:44:55LloreanDrkepilogue: The difference is whether you use ipodpatcher N -d, or ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin...
04:45:59Drkepiloguei use this
04:45:59Drkepilogueipodpatcher [device] -w bootpartition.bin
04:46:15LloreanAnd that bootpartition.bin was from an iPod with *nothing* installed on it, and never had been?
04:46:28Drkepilogueyup
04:46:32Drkepiloguethis is the first thing i did
04:46:42Drkepiloguebefore the other step...
04:46:48Drkepilogueoh maybe cept for the scanning
04:46:58LloreanYeah, but some people have, say, iPodLinux on it before, remove that, and then install Rockbox.
04:47:11LloreanOr install Rockbox, remove it, make bootpartition.bin, reinstall Rockbox with the new bootloader.
04:47:54Drkepiloguei just restored it via itune...
04:48:03Drkepilogueima try and repeat the installation process
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04:48:28decayedcellLlorean nvm I booted it into disk mode
04:48:29LloreanWell, the newest iPodPatcher does have some bugs, so it may just be that
04:48:41Drkepiloguecould be
04:48:49Drkepiloguebut it works fine on my 4g color
04:49:13Drkepilogueunless there a newer version after the bootloader with the *set hold to load OF*
04:49:26LloreanDrkepilogue: I didn't say the problem was with the bootloader.
04:49:31LloreanI said the problem was with iPodPatcher.
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04:50:22LloreanAnd it seems to affect Minis the most, though it's shown up on 5Gs I believe when they're upgraded using -a to overwrite the old bootloader rather than restoring their bootpartition first.
04:50:27blindWhat's the name of the unofficial rockbox firmware for 4G and 5G ipods? Mine was freezing up, and someone recommended it, and now I'm trying to do my friend's iPod and I can't remember the name.
04:50:43Soapmikeage's is it not?
04:50:51scorchethat ist eh author
04:50:56Soapfor the 4th - no need on the 5th.
04:50:56blindmikeage, thanks
04:50:57Lloreanblind: There's not one for 5Gs designed to reduce freeing as there's not a known freezing bug on the 5g
04:51:03Lloreanfreezing
04:51:04scorchebut there is no *the* unofficial build
04:51:06blindoh, it's not for the fifth? my bad.
04:51:16Lloreanblind: There's no frequency scaling bug on the 5G
04:51:39blindWell, his was freezing up so I figured I'd give him the same firmware.
04:51:52LloreanHis 5G is freezing?
04:52:03scorchewas he using the official build?
04:52:03Soapthe 5th / nano are rocks. sleek, sexy, heavily marketed rocks.
04:52:22blindyeah, he was using the official build on a 5G and it would freeze.
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04:52:34scorcheSoap: i think "heavily marketed" is an understatement
04:52:38blindThe playback would work, but the screen was fucked, and you couldn't navigate.
04:52:57Soapsolid, stable...slow...and like most garden variety rocks - lacking in the battery department.
04:53:17Lloreanblind: You should suggest to him that he should file a proper bug report, then.
04:53:28LloreanThings can't be fixed if nobody ever reports them.
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04:53:55blindhm. well i'll have him do the daily build and see if that works.
04:54:03blindif not, we'll file a report.
04:55:51scorcheblind: if you do, please describe it a bit more than "the screen was fucked"
04:56:16scorcheand in kinder words
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04:59:25scott666does anyone know a way to create an itunes db that the apple firmware can use without actually using itines? id swear i saw a link to a program somewhere on the site, but im not having any luck finding it
04:59:42Lloreanscott666: This is #Rockbox
04:59:47scott666yup
04:59:53LloreanRockbox neither uses nor cares about the Apple DB
04:59:59scott666im aware of that
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05:00:08scott666thats why i dont have an apple db
05:00:19scott666id just like to be able to boot into apple and get to the music too
05:00:27LloreanMy point is that this channel has nothing to do with using the Apple firmware
05:00:28scorchethe point is, you are asking about things that dont apply to rockbox...
05:00:42scott666im sure i saw it on the rockbox page once before
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05:01:37scorchei am assuming you mean the forums?
05:02:03scott666no, the wiki
05:02:18Soapscott666: see PM
05:03:56LloreanAnyone use M4A with Rockbox?
05:05:08*Llorean thinks it's not liking files larger than either the buffer, or a certain size limit.
05:05:32Soapwasn't there a problem with really long aac files?
05:05:38scott666(found what i was looking for: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-11/0486.shtml)
05:05:49Soapregardless of size, but related to actual length?
05:05:58Lloreanscott666: That's the mailing list.
05:06:09scott666yes it is
05:06:15LloreanSoap: ~6 hours in this case.
05:06:32Soapthat's a long file ;)
05:07:21Llorean's an audiobook. I didn't feel like burning my Audible copy to CD and reripping, so I *cough* tried an alternative. ;)
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06:37:43decayedcellhas anybody got ipodpatcher 0.6 to compile?
06:42:53LloreanPeople aren't really supposed to be playing with 0.6
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06:58:33Lloreandecayedcell: That being said, I have no problem compiling what's in CVS right now
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07:02:59decayedcellLlorean what version of GCC are you using
07:03:48Lloreandecayedcell: Whatever comes with the most recent version of Bloodshed Dev-C++ 4.9.9.2, I just tried it in windows.
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07:07:16webguest02my ipod has frozen and i don't know what to do to unfreeze it. i changed from one song to another and it just froze. i have tried rebooting it, turning it off, all kinds of things. none of these have worked. it won't respond when i plug it into my computer via usb cable or into my ipod dock. i just installed rockbox tonight and until now it has been working fine. is there anything else that i can do to fix it
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07:07:43webguest02if it means anything, my database is set up on ram, not disc
07:08:11Lloreanwebguest02: Turn on Hold, turn off Hold, hold Menu+Select for 20ish seconds, if this does not work, repeat. It will work eventually but if you wiggle your fingers too much it may fail.
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07:10:01webguest02thank you very much. i was a little worried there for a second
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07:16:00btonhello
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07:16:44btonany1 there
07:17:16LloreanYes. Did you have a question?
07:18:26btonhi
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07:18:54btonim kida working on trying to crack creative zen vision m firmware could anyone help?
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07:20:59btondo u know how to figure out the checksum
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07:28:09btonany there
07:30:13Mouser_XYes.
07:30:20btoncould u help
07:30:23Mouser_XChances are that those who can help you aren't here.
07:30:33bton im kida working on trying to crack creative zen vision m firmware could anyone help?
07:30:33Mouser_XWhile I am here, I can't help.
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09:09:37mitch04hey
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09:25:46Learjdgordon: just curious, but why call settings_save in settings_load_config?
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09:33:40mitch04hey can anyone help me please?
09:36:19LloreanDepends on what problem you're having
09:36:24LloreanNobody knows everything.
09:37:39mitch04ok umm trying to do creative zen vision m you know anything about checksum
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09:39:28LloreanNothing that you'd find useful, I'm sure
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10:04:29ConstructingGodhey
10:05:10ConstructingGoddoes rockbox have a shuffle mode where once one song is played it won't play that song again untill all the remaining songs in that playlist have been played at least once?
10:05:24LloreanThat's what shuffling a playlist *does*
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10:05:32LloreanIt's kinda the definition of "shuffle"
10:06:03ConstructingGod.... no some shuffle will repeat a played song before playing another song that hasn't been played (in the same playlist)
10:06:34JdGordonno.. thats random play.. rockbox doesnt do that
10:06:35LloreanThat's not a proper shuffle then.
10:06:38JdGordonrockbox does a shuffle
10:06:46LloreanThat's technically a mis-named Random as JdGordon said.
10:06:46Mikachuyou can shuffle the playlist, and you can play in shuffle mode, they're two different things
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10:07:01ConstructingGodwtf
10:07:26ConstructingGodputting all the technical defiitions aside
10:07:34ConstructingGodwill rockbox do what my question asked?
10:07:41Mikachuyes
10:07:49ConstructingGodok how do i set it up to do so
10:07:56JdGordonjust enable shuffle mode
10:07:56ConstructingGodbecause i have 2 shuffle modes in my player
10:08:03ConstructingGodwhich one
10:08:05JdGordonfrom the playback menu
10:08:12JdGordonthere is only 1 shuffle mode in rb
10:08:15Mikachueasiest is to go to the quickscreen and select Shuffle
10:08:16safetydanThere is only one shuffle in rockbox
10:08:16ConstructingGodthe one under repeat or the one under shuffle on/off?
10:08:26safetydanRepeat? That's about repeating the whole playlist
10:08:52JdGordonrepeat shuffle is something different.. that means shuffle the playlist when its finished and start again
10:08:53safetydanif repeat is on, and you reach the end of the playlist, it will start again at the beginning
10:08:55ConstructingGodso the regular shuffle mode (on the left side) is the one I want to mess with?
10:09:33JdGordonbingo
10:09:38ConstructingGodand that won't playback any songs already played on that playlist right?
10:09:59LloreanNope
10:10:05LloreanI do believe it describes it in the manual.
10:10:05ConstructingGodthank you!
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10:10:43ConstructingGodnow if only i have a time machine life would be perfect
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10:14:49KillerX12i need help with my 30 gb ipod video
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10:15:04safetydanask, and maybe ye shall receive
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10:15:51tucozZagor: in case you read the logs. It would be nice if your script made a href out of the links posted in the channel.
10:16:33KillerX12when i put movies/music videos on my ipod...they try 2 load but cant/dont
10:16:58Mikachuis this really a real name? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DaurnImator
10:17:11tucozwhat kind of musc and movies is that? what formats is it
10:17:28JdGordonComment: Sorry - but i refuse to give out my name
10:17:46Mikachuah
10:17:47KillerX12i already converted them 2 mpeg4
10:17:59Mikachubut clearly the signup page says that you must
10:18:23tucozKillerX12: rockbox can not play mpeg4
10:18:30JdGordonyeah, ill kick him off twikiusersgroup :D
10:18:37KillerX12ooooo
10:18:45KillerX12oops
10:18:49JdGordonactually... na someone else can
10:18:52Bagderdaurn is mr paranoia clearly
10:18:56KillerX12wut does it play
10:19:13Mikachuit's sort of silly that he's on the ircnicks page, Daurnimator = DaurnImator, o rly?
10:19:22LloreanBagder: There's a message for you in the forums. All caps thread. :)
10:19:22safetydanKillerX12, mpeg2
10:19:23Bagderhaha
10:19:32Bagderlucky me
10:19:44tucozIs it PluginMPEGPlayer the page is called?
10:19:49Bagdersilly persons
10:19:54MikachuMpegPlayerPlugin
10:20:00Mikachui think
10:20:33tucozKillerX12: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
10:20:38Mikachuach
10:20:40tucozhehe
10:20:48BagderLlorean: I'll refrain from replying, yours is good enough
10:21:23LloreanI just found it slightly entertaining. You're sneaky, getting on his local network like that.
10:21:25BagderI should fix that passwd thing one day
10:21:32Bagderhehe
10:21:54BagderI've always thouht
10:21:59Bagderthought it self-explaining
10:22:05Bagderbut clearly it isnt to many
10:22:48KillerX12thx tucoz
10:22:55BagderI get emailed and blamed for all sorts of hacking attempts due to that...
10:24:04Mikachuhaha
10:24:18tucozKillerX12: you can read about the supported audio formats here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status
10:24:42Mouser_X3(Though, that page could use an update, as I recall.)
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10:25:23LloreanBagder: Clearly you're clever enough to get into all kinds of interesting places, but silly enough to leave your email behind once you leave.
10:25:35Bagderhehe indeed
10:26:11BagderI guess these people think they're clever when they manage to find tracks back to the "hacker"...
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10:30:16JdGordonany ideas why im getting i/o device errors on my nano? dud hardware or maybe something else?
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10:39:21webguest65hi, I'm trying to make a patched version of rockbox (rtc for h120). I downoaded a daily tarball, extracted it, applied the patch, and made a build dir. but when I tyoe "../tools/configure" I get a "permission denied" message. what am I doing wrong?
10:39:36webguest65*type
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10:42:40NineTeen67CometHello .. I'm interested in snagging an X5 (What's the diff between X5/X5L/X5?) .. but I would like to play with Rockbox on it. Does anyone know if you can watch video playing on the X5 on a TV via the audio/vid out when using Rockbox?
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10:43:05BagderNineTeen67Comet: X5L is and X5 with large battery, X5V is an X5 without FM tuner
10:43:11Bagders/is and/is an/
10:43:33BagderNineTeen67Comet: and no, X5 has no TV-out
10:43:46NineTeen67Cometaha .. guess I'll seek the X5L then .. never have enough battery .. (I've got an A2 that I love, but I want a little lighter smaller to run with) ..
10:44:04Bagderthe X5L has something around 30 hours run-time
10:44:09NineTeen67CometAny A2 Rockbox in the works?
10:44:14Bagdernope
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10:44:48NineTeen67CometBummer .. I'm always looking to hack my stuff .. :)
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10:45:01BagderNineTeen67Comet: then start the port! ;-)
10:45:49NineTeen67CometBagder: grin .. there is actually limited work there via the iaudiphile.net forums I found .. not much functionality, but he got it to boot via Linux Kernel .. I'm no programmer (yet) .. so I'm little or no help there ..
10:46:14JdGordonshit! is there any way to revert a accidental svn revert? :'(
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10:46:34MikachuJdGordon: see if you have any *.mine files
10:46:59JdGordon*phew* I was in the wrong source tree :p
10:47:02BagderNineTeen67Comet: the A2 uses the same chipset as a wide range of other players, so you could join forces with other hackers of such similar players
10:47:03JdGordonmy chages are safe
10:47:05Mikachuhehe
10:47:17BagderNineTeen67Comet: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320
10:47:47Bagderperhaps the best lead being ArchOpen and Neuros
10:49:14JdGordondoes anyone know what the story with the unused functions in menu.c is?
10:49:27webguest65did anyone notice my question?
10:49:41JdGordonput_cursorxy, menu_movedown/up and a few others
10:49:59webguest65about geting permission denied from ../tools/configure?
10:50:00Mikachuwebguest65: chmod +x configure
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10:50:21Bagderwebguest65: and a general advice is to first make sure you can build unpatched
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10:51:02webguest65Mikachu: thanks!
10:51:11webguest65Bagder: ok...
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10:52:58amiconnJdGordon: menu_moveup & menu_movedown aren't unused: they are exported to the plugin api
10:53:22JdGordonamiconn: yes, but nothing actually calls them
10:53:38JdGordon2 other functions in menu.c is called only by radio.c
10:53:38amiconnput_cursorxy indeed looks like it's unused, maybe it's a remnant from before the gui list code
10:54:03hcsI'm interested in making the wiki viewer usable on other targets, it is tied to the iPod input scheme right now, is there a generalized set of button defines I could use?
10:54:35amiconnDepends.
10:54:40Mikachuthere's a wiki viewer?
10:54:48hcsin development
10:55:06hcs4755
10:55:36hcsall I need is "up", "down", "select" and "menu"
10:55:44amiconnIf you use button actions, this should be possible, but only a very few plugins use the actions concept, and experience has shown that unlike in the core, plugins don't profit from the actions concept too much
10:55:51Mikachusort of useless on a nano, but cool nonetheless
10:56:02amiconnThere are simply too many different needs
10:56:11hcsand possibly "back", though that could be in the menu
10:56:38hcswell, I'll have a look at how the text viewer does it
10:57:19NineTeen67CometThanks Bagder .. I'm at that link now looking around a little ..
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10:58:01amiconnhcs: What are the ram requirements of this plugin?
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10:58:48hcslet me check, I only wrote the UI bit
10:59:40Mikachuhaving a portable wikipedia is sort of like the hitchhikers guide
10:59:53Mouser_XThat's what I was thinking...
10:59:56hcsyeah, it's handy
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11:00:05LloreanHandy, but not reliably accurate.
11:00:06hcsmostly just for trivia purposes, though
11:00:14LloreanVery H2G2
11:00:23Mouser_XIndeed.
11:00:40LloreanIt'd be kinda neat of H2G2 had an easily parsed dump
11:00:40Mikachuh2g2.com never really took off
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11:01:12LloreanYeah
11:01:22LloreanIt's been around quite a while too.
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11:02:04hcsyeah, I recall that a while before wikipeida, my reaction was more "this could be funny" than "this could be useful"
11:02:05LloreanI'm pretty sure it actually predates wikipedia.com at least
11:02:27LloreanI thought "This could be interesting" in a "It'll be entertaining, but it'd be nice if there was useful content too"
11:02:51LloreanHow big are the portable wikipedia dumps?
11:03:19hcs2.4 GB, iirc
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11:06:57hcslooks like it uses around 300k
11:07:40LloreanUses 300k?
11:07:47LloreanIs that the plugin size?
11:08:11hcsthat's I think what it gets from the plugin buffer
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11:10:50hcson another subject, is anyone around with a coldfire target who'd like to tell me how the spc patch runs after I've put some stuff in iram?
11:11:03hcsI'm looking at you, XavierGr
11:11:34midgeyhcs: not fullspeed here
11:11:40midgeyon an h320
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11:12:02hcsI understand, I use no iram, I'm working on that now, could you test it in a few minutes?
11:12:25midgeyeh, im actually on my way to bed, its 0500 here
11:12:32hcssame here :)
11:12:35hcsbut I just got up
11:12:44midgey:)
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11:27:00hcswhoa,how big is the IRAM on the h1xx?
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11:29:46hcsah, mn
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11:31:04XavierGrhcs: you asked for me?
11:31:34hcsyes, I have an h1xx build that I'd like you to try, or I could send you the patch
11:32:02XavierGrbetter send me the patch to compile it for H300 (which is more intensive than H100)
11:32:07hcsok
11:32:18XavierGrbut I can test it on H100 too
11:33:17XavierGrare you uploading the patch somewhere?
11:33:28hcson the tracker now
11:33:37amiconnH100 and H300 should perform the same regarding codecs
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11:34:34XavierGramiconn: maybe, but still... H300 has colour so I always have in the back of my head that H100 runs a little faster
11:34:44XavierGrthough I might be completely wrong
11:36:04amiconnDepends. If there are not many graphical operations, it doesn't matter
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11:37:09amiconnH300 *used* to be a couple of percents slower due to the button polling, but thanks to using a special feature of the pcf50605 this is no longer true
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11:38:07amiconn(jhMikeS found that feature in the datasheet and implemented it for X5, and I backported it to H300)
11:38:14XavierGrhcs: I am compiling now, I will let you know
11:38:18hcsthanks
11:39:10hcshm, my ipod usb cable is disintegrating from heavy use
11:39:22XavierGrgee I hate it that my H300 is one among those that have a problem with the USB bootloader mode...
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11:41:11prediushey gu, how far into the ipod 5.5 is rockbox?
11:41:33XavierGrhcs: it seems to be considerably faster
11:41:53hcs...but still not fast enough?
11:42:00XavierGrin the last version 10 seconds would be playbacked in 20
11:42:03XavierGrnow it is more like 15
11:42:10hcshm
11:42:28XavierGrdon't tell my you've run out of ideas!! :(
11:42:40hcsone unfortunate aspect is that a lot of variables are in a large global structure, which won't fit in IRAM
11:42:54hcsI might be able to pick out some of the heavily-used ones
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11:43:59XavierGrI have to say that quality is top notch :)
11:44:19XavierGreven better from the mp3 rips I have from Galbadia hotel
11:44:25hcsblargg is quite good at this
11:44:41dan_apredius: 30Gb works. We've worked out the technical problems with the 80Gb model, now we just need to implement them in a way that doesn't break support for the other players
11:45:20XavierGrhcs: so is it realtime now on ipods?
11:45:31prediusdan_a: and battery life?
11:45:49hcsXavierGr: for almost everything, yes
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11:45:59Mikachuhcs: if we're talking about the nsf player, i noticed some nsfs play back fine at pitch 200% while some struggle at normal speed
11:46:10dan_apredius: I guess it will be the same as the other iPods: about 50% of the original firmware at the moment.
11:46:38hcsMikachu: we're talking about the SPC player, which device do you notice this on with NSF?
11:46:43Mikachuah
11:46:46Mikachuon my nano
11:46:55hcshm
11:47:07hcscan you recall any in particular?
11:47:13Mikachui don't remember which one it was, i can see if i find it
11:48:28Mikachuah, indiana jones
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11:49:00hcsI almost certainly have it, I'll check it out
11:49:00Mikachuthe first subtrack
11:49:39Mikachuseems to be the same with other subtracks
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11:50:37XavierGrit would be cool to see midi integrated with the playback system just like spc and nsf
11:51:00XavierGrthough I guess the patchset is difficult to handle with the playback code
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11:58:56hcsXavierGr: want to try another?
11:59:17XavierGrsure
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12:00:37LloreanBagder: You here?
12:00:42hcser, cpufreq3.patch is in there by accident, will only affect iPods anyway
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12:00:48hcswell, PP5020
12:02:17midkayLlorean: let me get one of your "opinion" things. :)
12:02:51midkayflat black: http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1893/clockdigits320x240x16yi6.png
12:02:53midkaybeveled: http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/24/clockdigitszf9.png
12:03:19Lloreanmidkay: Does the Clock override the currently set backdrop?
12:03:26midkayit will.
12:03:29LloreanAlright.
12:03:51LloreanThe beveled ones look nice. Not my personal thing, but I think people will like them.
12:04:15midkayi'd considered allowing it, but i can't really stand transparent-thus-aliased bitmaps.. especially on like big text.
12:05:09LloreanI don't really think any of the current plugins should really allow custom backdrops
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12:05:43midkayah, well i was actually thinking about custom (user's set) colors..
12:05:49midkaybut same problem.. ugly, aliased bitmaps.
12:05:54LloreanYeah
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12:06:20XavierGrhcs: OMG I want to kiss you!!! It is realtime! :D
12:06:40hcsexcellent
12:07:03XavierGrit sounds and plays perfectly without gaps
12:07:14XavierGr70% boost ratio so far
12:07:15hcswell, it won't be that way for every track, I assure you
12:07:20hcslots of variation between SPCs
12:07:32hcsUncharted Waters 2 has been the slowest I've seen on iPod so far.
12:07:35XavierGrdo you know some very intensive ones?
12:07:39XavierGrh okay
12:07:52hcs(awesome music, too, highly recommended)
12:08:34hcsnow I've got to see how this affects iPods, if it is damaging I'll have to make that whole thing conditional
12:09:16XavierGrwhat kind of magic did you use?
12:09:22hcsIRAM
12:09:32XavierGrheh magic indeed
12:10:03hcsI'm glad it worked so well
12:10:35XavierGrnow I will test uncharted waters 2 too
12:10:54XavierGrbut I think Castlevania 4 spc tracks are quite intensive
12:11:14hcsMast in the Mist was the one I noticed first
12:12:56iwantanimacwhat've you got working realtime? MIDI (I looked at the log - that's my best guess)
12:13:05hcsSPC, SNES music
12:13:17iwantanimacah.
12:13:21iwantanimaccool
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12:14:12XavierGrhcs: which track number is Mas in the Mist? Because the archive I downloaded has strange names
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12:14:33hcsuw2-03 in the set I got from snesmusic.org
12:14:50XavierGrhmm never checked that site
12:15:02XavierGrI use galbadia hotel for all my game music
12:15:03hcsit is as close to HVSC as it gets for SPC
12:15:06XavierGr(and anime)
12:16:09hcshmm, actually seems to be running better, if anything, now
12:16:30XavierGruncharted waters new horizons is the game?
12:16:39hcsyes
12:17:02hcsDai Koukai Jidai 2
12:17:20Mikachutry zophar.net
12:17:39XavierGrwhat kind of game is that rpg?
12:17:44hcsMikachu: as good as zophar's collection is for some things, snesmusic.org is pretty much definitive
12:18:01hcsXavierGr: sailing, trading, piracy
12:18:23JdGordonanyone wanna talk about the upcoming menu changes? I want to run the new and old code together... does it sound ok to put the new menus in apps/menus/ and slowly remove code from apps/*_menu.c ?
12:19:54XavierGrhcs I got a rsn file, is that an archive type file?
12:20:11hcsXavierGr: yes, it is just a renamed RAR
12:20:19XavierGrah okay
12:21:29Mikachuhm, the sd3 spcs i have are inverted, i wonder if these are better
12:21:45XavierGrsd3?
12:21:50Mikachuseiken densetsu :)
12:21:52XavierGrseiken densetsu?
12:21:53XavierGrlol
12:21:54XavierGrhaha
12:21:55Mikachuaka secret of mana 2
12:22:07XavierGrsecret of mana 1 was my best rpg in snes
12:22:33LloreanCalling it Secret of Mana 2 is a misnomer since then what would you call Seiken Densetsu 1?
12:22:41XavierGrwith my cousin (Genre9mp3) we were playing hours and hours when we were youngsters
12:22:46hcsFinal Fantasy Adventure for GB
12:22:51Mikachuwhat hcs said
12:23:11Mikachuseiken densetsu 2 is secret of mana
12:23:27XavierGrI still feel very nostalgic when I listen to Secret of Mana music
12:23:37Mikachuyou should play sd3 then
12:23:41Mikachuthere is a fan translation
12:23:53XavierGrI played Seiken Densetsu 3 on an emulator (ZSens)
12:23:57XavierGryeah it was quite good
12:24:00Mikachuah
12:24:26hcsXavierGr: spc21 is up, there shouldn't be any change for you so you don't have to bother with it
12:25:08XavierGrIt was fun to play secret of mana with 2 players over the net using zsnes' net play
12:25:28XavierGrhcs: I can assure you now that all tracks are realtime on H300
12:25:28Mikachunah, this one is also inverted, probably the same rip
12:25:43XavierGreven the one you mentioned
12:25:53hcsvideo game chat would probably be better located in #rockbox-community (just a note to get people into #rockbox-community)
12:25:58hcsXavierGr: great!
12:26:09Mikachuit's such a bother to change channels when a conversation slowly drifts :)
12:26:17XavierGreh? there is a #rockbox-community channel?
12:26:21scorcheso is #rockbox-community taking off?
12:26:27hcsscorche: er, no
12:26:35hcsbut I bring it up whenever I can
12:26:43scorchewell, at least it is doing beter than the last attempt
12:28:13hcsMikachu: which indiana jones was it that you sent?
12:28:32XavierGrhcs: are you going to commit it anytime soon?
12:28:35Mikachui don't know, the file is just indianajones.nsf
12:28:52Mikachuif the tags don't say what game it is, i have no idea
12:29:00hcshm, you're right, Last Crusade is playing very poorly
12:29:18hcstime to bust out the profiler
12:29:51hcsXavierGr: I'll be posting on the forum asking for more testers soon, I'd like to hear of it tested on a few more targets before even suggesting it for SVN
12:30:37hcsit does play beautifully, though, doesn't it
12:30:54Lloreanhcs: 21 is the latest version?
12:31:01hcsLlorean: yes
12:31:47XavierGrit is now playing for 10 minutes without any kind of glitches
12:31:55JdGordonscorche: put rockbox-community in the topic... might help it
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12:32:14Mikachuwhat's the bug number for spc?
12:32:23DataGhosthttp://images.ucomics.com/comics/ga/2007/ga070128.gif
12:32:24DataGhost:)
12:32:36Mikachuah found it
12:32:36hcsMikachu: 6542
12:32:38scorcheJdGordon: but that is off-topic =P
12:32:46Mikachui usually don't have luck with the search function
12:33:47Mikachuthere's also a 2727
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12:34:21hcsthat's quite old
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12:34:30Mikachuyeah, but it's still open
12:35:06hcswell, we still don't have 7z, though I wouldn't consider it at all likely
12:35:40Mikachuzip or rar or .tar.gz would probably help the same amount
12:35:50Mikachubut it's not like spc archives take a lot of space in the first place
12:36:05Mikachu.gym are worse :)
12:36:16hcsusing any compression would require a major reworking, unless you stuff it in the codec
12:36:31Mikachuyeah, especially for more than one file per archive
12:36:52hcsand as we know the handling for that is not too good
12:38:25hcsinterestingly, we're using the library first suggested in 2727
12:38:43Lloreanhcs: It seems to have a little problem with file lengths.
12:39:12hcsLlorean: please do continue
12:39:40Lloreanhcs: Well, for example the very short "The players have gone to sleep at the inn" sound from FFVI ("Nighty Night" it seems to be titled") is about 6 seconds... shows a track length of 2:55
12:40:21hcsI'm only reading the "basic" tags in the header, there's a whole different tagging system that sticks extra data at the end of the file
12:40:43hcsall sets from snesmusic.org seem to be tagged correctly with the basic tags
12:40:48Lloreanhcs: So if a file is improperly tagged it could show up with a length of either 2:55 or 3:05?
12:41:00LloreanThese seem to be the two lengths I get on the files.
12:41:30hcsoh, those are the default times
12:41:56LloreanDefault?
12:42:00Mikachugoof troop plays fine on ipod nano
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12:42:37MikachuLlorean: spc tracks don't have lengths
12:42:48Mikachuit's just a small program written for the sound chip on the snes
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12:43:12hcsthe default is 3:05, 2:55 might result from junk in that field
12:43:18LloreanMikachu: Well, about half of mine seem to have defined lengths, and the other half are 2:55 or 3:05. Would it be possible to detect when there are no more instructions to perform?
12:43:28mattzzIs it just me or is archos build broken (/sh-elf/bin/ld: region FLASH is full)?
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12:43:41LloreanSo even if the time remaining was improper it could move on to the next track?
12:43:46hcsLlorean: yes, I should be able to add silence detection, as there was for NSF
12:44:01Bagdermattzz: http://build.rockbox.org/ shows them broken...
12:44:15LloreanAnyway, other than that, which is more my bad files than anything, everything seems fine here.
12:44:21hcsgreat
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12:44:27mattzzBagder, should have looked. Another stupid one...
12:44:36Lloreanhcs: Gigabeat is what I've just tested on, since iPods and Hxxxs seemed covered.
12:44:50hcsah, no fair, it's worked on gigabeat since day 1
12:45:02Bagdermattzz: its the v2 and fm problem that has grown to also include the plain recorder now
12:45:07hcsLlorean: you can enable echo processing and gaussian filtering, too, if you want
12:45:07Lloreanhcs: Yes, but it's good to know you haven't broken it.
12:45:43Lloreanhcs: I can test on H100 and iPod Nano too, but if it works on any iPod, it works on the Nano, and the Hxxx seems done as well.
12:45:56hcsI'll try to find an iAudio guy
12:46:01LloreanBagder: How would you feel if I suggested some changes to the "Download" category of the menu?
12:46:44BagderLlorean: I'm all for improvements!
12:47:04JdGordonthe new menus are going to be paniful to bring in :'(
12:47:18LloreanBagder: I was thinking "Release" "Current Build" (which would be the SVN builds page) and "Extras" (A page containing a link to the daily fonts, a doom.zip containing rockdoom.wad and freedoom.wad or doom1.wad, and a link to the WPS Gallery)
12:47:37LloreanBagder: Then, moving the current Daily Builds page to a link on the actual SVN Builds page entitled simply "Archived Versions"
12:47:41mattzzBagder, I am currently working on a little memory monitor, would that be of some help for the development process?
12:48:11BagderLlorean: I like it
12:49:12LloreanI think it'd simplify for people what to download, and maybe even reduce "Where do I find the fonts" and "Where do I download Doom" questions.
12:49:27LloreanEspecially if the doom wads are already in a /.rockbox/doom folder structure in the zip.
12:49:28Mikachuhcs: it doesn't seem to compile if i undef NOINTERP or ECHO
12:49:44MikachuSpc_Dsp.h: In function ‘DSP_run_’:
12:49:44MikachuSpc_Dsp.h:597: error: ‘struct Spc_Dsp’ has no member named ‘ram’
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12:49:59hcsMikachu: ah, darn, I'll have to fix that up
12:50:26decayedcellbarrywardell: your patch appears to be working on my 5.5G Video
12:50:39markunLlorean: any maybe the "releases" page should direct people to the SVN builds instead of the daily
12:51:02decayedcellbarrywardell: however your latest v7 cop patch causes lots of lag
12:51:02Bagdermarkun: "current build" would be the svn builds, yes
12:51:02Mikachuhcs: it sounds sort of like an old LP, is that because of no interpolation?
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12:51:59Mikachuhcs: also the waterfall backround noise in one of the sd2 files sounds wrong :)
12:52:18hcsMikachu: some of the crackle you hear is from the linear interpolation used in the DSP, and again in rockbox to resample from 32KHz to 44.1Hz
12:52:28Mikachuhcs: "Always Together"
12:52:42hcsI'll check it out, but there's likely not much I can do
12:53:01Mikachuit would be nice if someone fixed setting sample rates on ipods, i think someone said it was settable at least
12:53:48Mikachuand by fix i mean implement
12:54:17hcsblargg talked about implementing a better resampler
12:55:23markunMikachu: Do you know which clocks are available to the wolfson DAC in the ipods?
12:55:35Mikachuno idea
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12:56:12markunThe Gigabeat can choose from a 24MHz and 16.9MHz clock to make all but 1 supported rockbox frequencies
12:56:32hcsit's a shame that I have to mutilate these SPCs to see how they work with default length...
12:56:44markunif the ipods only have the 24MHz you can still make everything, but the 44.1kHz ones will be a bit off
12:56:55Lloreanmarkun: Is the Gigabeat's remote supposed to be functioning properly yet?
12:57:25markunLlorean: well, right now it only works as intended in the WPS
12:57:27hcsmarkun: what do we run it at now?
12:57:34Lloreanmarkun: It works pretty well in the menus too
12:57:38markunhcs: 24 I believe
12:57:47Lloreanmarkun: My concern was just when the main unit is on Hold, and the remote isn't. There's some real strangeness there.
12:58:00LloreanIs that supposed to be working?
12:58:05markunLlorean: yes, that's because of the "LCD Power off" feature
12:58:40markunLlorean: if you disable it in the menu it will also work with the backlight off
12:58:47markunwith hold on even
12:58:47LloreanAh, okay
12:58:59LloreanWhy does the LCD Power Off prevent the remote from working fully?
12:59:31markunbecause it also goes to some other screen to prevent screen updates or something. Didn't look at the code yet.
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13:00:23LloreanAh, gotcha
13:00:27LloreanJust curious. :)
13:00:51LloreanI was more or less curious if it was something that may be fixable, or if that was just a set cost for using the poweroff feature.
13:01:31markunit's fixable. I think sloth was working on it but he took things a bit too personal when his splash screen commits weren't appreciated
13:01:39markunI haven't seen him in a while
13:01:54markunIf only people would communicate more..
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13:02:13LloreanAlways a problem
13:03:14XavierGrhcs: seeking doesn't seem to work right
13:03:28hcsXavierGr: yes, it is intentionally nonfunctional
13:03:36XavierGrreally?
13:03:41hcsif you seek backwards it restarts the track, otherwise it is ignored
13:04:00hcsseeking may be implemented, but wasn't my first concern (which was speed_
13:04:07XavierGrof course
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13:06:17Bagderthat sansa emulator sounds mighty cool...
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13:07:24LloreanAye, it is nifty sounding.
13:10:33markunhcs: does it have looping like SID?
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13:10:54JdGordonwhat the heck does dwarf2_read_address: Corrupted DWARF expression. mean in gdb when I try to print a variable?
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13:11:23Mikachui think the dwarf doesn't like the arm-elf
13:11:30g33does rockbox support recording on irivers?
13:11:35hcsmarkun: the tracks play as they will for the length specified in the header, unless repeat = one in which case the track is allowed to play forever
13:11:38*Llorean resist suggesting his THAC0 is too low.
13:11:57JdGordonMikachu: its the sim build...
13:11:59n1sg33: yes at least on h1xx/h300 not sure about h10
13:12:10g33cool
13:12:19markunhcs: wouldn't plugins make more sense for such audio formats?
13:12:31g33does it have level meters, so you can see that the signal isnt too low or clipping?
13:13:02n1sg33: take a look in the manual and all will be clear :-)
13:13:05markunhcs: or if it is a plugin right now please tell me to shut up :)
13:13:09BagderLlorean: would you be able to provide such a doom.zip for the extras page?
13:13:13hcsmarkun: no, I'd like to have 'em in a playlist, it is in a codec
13:13:16Bagder(http://www.rockbox.org/extras.html)
13:13:39markunhcs: yes, but a playlist if neverending songs?
13:14:02scorcheBagder: if he cant, i can
13:14:05g33im too l33t to rtfm ^^
13:14:06hcsmarkun: typically one would not do that, repeat = 1 does that with any format anyway
13:14:09Bagdernice
13:14:25markunhcs: ah, I thought it was a repeat = 1 option in the header.. sorry
13:14:43scorcheg33: then enjoy not receiving any help...
13:14:54mattzzBagder, how about linking extras to a wiki page?
13:14:57g33\/
13:15:26Bagdermattzz: yeah, that works for me
13:15:39LloreanBagder: Gimme just a moment.
13:15:50mattzzBagder, if there is no need for a strict content control that should work
13:16:01mattzz(in terms of illegal links/uploads of roms etc.)
13:16:18scorchemattzz: we patrol our wiki well
13:16:35mattzzscorche, ;-)
13:16:39Bagderand if we want to control packages to remain untouched, we host them on the download server
13:16:46Bagderinstead of wiki
13:16:52mattzzThan it should work.
13:17:08mattzzBagder, did you get my question regarding the memory monitor/editor?
13:17:33Bagdermattzz: got it, and I'm sure some people can get good use out of it
13:17:54LloreanBagder: Can I attempt to DCC it, or will it be a wiki page, or what? Using freedoom it's ~6.8mb
13:18:20mattzzBagder, OK - just wanted to make sure, that there is no one in place yet.
13:18:33Bagderlet's have the wording in the wiki, and I can put the doom zip on the dl server
13:19:46BagderExtraDownload or RockboxExtras or ?
13:20:05LloreanI like RockboxExtras
13:20:20bluebrotherLlorean, do you think putting a "if you have never done this and are not willing to put quite an amount of time into it stop here" at the top of the SimpleGuideToCompiling / WorkingWithPatches will help for the noob-patching-problems?
13:20:43mattzzRockBoxExtraDownloads?
13:21:24mattzzor ExtraDownloadsForRockbox ...
13:21:26Lloreanbluebrother: "Before you begin, be aware that this process can require a decent amount of time and technical knowledge and should not be attempted by a casual user, but rather by those intending to invest time in development" maybe?
13:21:33*mattzz has to cool down
13:21:52*scorche hands mattzz a block of ice to sit on
13:22:12bluebrotherLlorean, yes. Better worded than my try ;-)
13:22:13*Mikachu puts an empty bucket under mattzz's chair
13:22:23*mattzz is making a zizzzling noise
13:22:39bluebrotherbut I was simply thinking if that would help those "how to install (*sic*) patches" questions in the forums
13:22:53LloreanI really don't know.
13:23:05Mikachumaybe people think patches do not require compiling because one install step is called "ipodpatcher"
13:23:10LloreanConsidering how blatantly people can ignore bold red text at the start of the ipodinstallation, you might need a blink tag.
13:23:23bluebrothermaybe they think it because MS usually ships binary patches.
13:23:45Mikachuyou could probably form a complete windows installation from their patches :)
13:23:52scorcheand many other companies put out binary patches as well
13:24:14bluebrotherand those people patching software to override installation restrictions / license etc. use binary patches as well
13:24:23LloreanI think most people ask about how to use patches *before* they get to the simple guide to compiling page
13:24:30bluebrotherin fact, except for the open source world patches are usually binary
13:24:47LloreanThe most common question isn't "how do I apply patches" or "What do I do with them" so much as "Where do I download them to?"
13:24:58bluebrothersure, but it could help keeping them away from actually trying it after they read the first lines of the page
13:25:11bluebrotherinstead of repeatedly asking about the same stuff
13:25:36LloreanYeah, I think something like that belongs there. A disclaimer of sorts
13:26:23Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras
13:26:28Bagderfeel free to improve
13:28:42bluebrotherhmm, the "releases" download page lists the daily builds also and is missing the old 2.4 manual. Intended?
13:31:25bluebrotherLlorean, do you think we can keep this as a first version? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
13:31:40Bagderwell I don't know where any 2.4 manual is...
13:31:54Lloreanbluebrother: We can hope that'll help
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13:32:09bluebrotherok. I add that line to the SimpleGuide also.
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13:32:36JdGordonwoo :) my menu code is finally working
13:32:36scorcheBagder: if you need one, i have one from a long time ago...(i discovered it on my computer a couple days ago while digging through ancient folders)
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13:35:34Bagderok, testing new menu on the front page
13:35:58Bagderthe svn build page would need some description
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13:37:30LloreanIt probably doesn't need much.
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13:38:33Llorean"Below the table are builds of Rockbox containing all of the changes found on the front page changelog. If builds are not currently showing, wait 5-10 minutes and then refresh the page, or download an older build from the Archived Daily Builds(link) page"
13:38:34Mikachu"Rockbox for Fonts" looks odd
13:39:00Bagderhehe, yeah
13:39:01scorcheheh
13:39:06Bagderbut I've ignored that
13:40:12RedbrevaCurrent Build & Extras are on the same line in the side menu of the extra's page
13:40:25Bagderyes, I fixed that now
13:40:31Redbrevaok ;-)
13:40:39LloreanBagder: I don't think the (link) needs to be included in the actual link. ;)
13:40:50Bagderhaha
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13:41:48amiconnThe 'current build' page is still missing the side menu
13:42:03Bagdernot on the front page
13:42:18BagderI've not made it "global" yet
13:42:30Bagderand by tradition that will take a week ;-)
13:42:37bluebrotherhehe
13:42:42bluebrothertraditions are nice ;-)
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13:45:31Bagderwe can now point to an "official" rockbox wad package
13:45:32XavierGrBagder: What do you think about adding a wiki search box in the front page?
13:45:55Bagderyeah, I've been thinking about that as well
13:46:15Bagdermaybe later, family time coming up now...
13:46:16scorcheI would rather have a title entry box than a search box
13:46:16XavierGrit would be sweet to not have to click on the wiki link each time I search for something specific :P
13:46:47Mikachudon't you people have bookmarks? :)
13:48:11LloreanI just type site:www.rockbox.org/twiki into my google search box... ;)
13:48:37scorchehence why i would rather have a title entry box
13:48:42Mikachuyou can make a search box for that in firefox
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13:51:07muesli__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_nNA8t5eVM&NR just to keep u guys motivated (looks like somewhere in scandinavia huh?)
13:51:17desowinhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199 can anyone check if my patch is ok ? I think it should be applied in svn fast and I don't know if it's all right
13:51:42Mikachumuesli__: haha that's the swedish version of american idol
13:52:16muesli__i knew it ;-) but we have similar weirdos ;-)
13:52:18scorche...and completely offtopic
13:53:21Mikachudesowin: you probably need some more ifdefs for calling lcd_shutdown?
13:53:38Mikachuor is it defined for all other targets already?
13:53:50Mikachu(which seems unlikely since it wasn't called before)
13:53:56desowinare there coding guidelines ?
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13:59:50scorchedesowin: yes...see the DOCS folder
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14:10:51mattzzhow can I get size information about the currently used font in a plugin?
14:11:22mattzzfont_get and font_getstringsize are working on a given font
14:11:54Mikachuuse them on FONT_USERFONT or something like that
14:13:50mattzzMikachu, how do I find out about the currently used font?
14:14:06Mikachuthat's what i just said
14:14:15Mikachui just don't know the exact name to use
14:14:49mattzzMikachu, you mean there is already something like FONT_USERFONT available?
14:14:54Mikachuyes
14:15:08mattzzMikachu, ah, ok. will grep font.h ;-)
14:15:14XavierGrhttp://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110083483658&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
14:15:20XavierGroops this link came too big
14:15:45XavierGrnow this is what I call a big collection
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14:16:43tucozBagder: the 2.4 is still available from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/RockboxManual/rockbox-manual-2.4.pdf
14:17:06tucozhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/RockboxManual/rockbox-manual-2.4.txt
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14:17:14mattzzMikachu, did you mean FONT_UI?
14:17:21Mikachuthat sounds likely
14:17:35tucozand http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/RockboxManual/rockbox-manual-2.4.zip for the open office files.
14:17:48mattzzMikachu, dammit, I thought that was the default rockbox font...
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14:18:04tucoz(the links are hidden in the wiki history for RockboxManual)
14:18:05Mikachumattzz: that is probably FONT_FIXED or SYS
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14:18:21amiconnmattzz: font_getstringsize() is mainly an internal function, because the current font might be different on main & remote
14:18:22mattzzMikachu, you are right. FONT_UI does the trick. Thanks!
14:18:43amiconnYou are supposed to use lcd_getstringsize() and lcd_remote_getstringsize(), respectively
14:18:47Mikachuheh, it was SYSFIXED
14:19:03webguest63can someone please help me put rockbox on my 2nd gen nano?
14:19:16Mikachuwebguest63: no
14:19:23dan_awebguest63: No - the 2nd gen nano isn't supported yet
14:19:33webguest63oh i see.. thanks
14:19:43amiconnThose 2 don't have a font argument, but work on whatever is currently selected for this lcd
14:20:18mattzzamiconn, I want to find out about how many rows of text can be displayed. I will use lcd_getstringsize() than.
14:20:44webguest63what about ipodlinux? can the 2nd gen nano run it?
14:20:55scorcheno
14:21:18webguest63oh crap.. thanks anyway
14:21:48desowinif Apple would be more developer friendly on iPods ....
14:21:51tucozwebguest63: the hardware in the 2nd gen nano is completely different than the 1st gen
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14:22:51hcsshould I be able to determine if I'm not building for a gigabeat by doing #ifndef TOSHIBA_GIGABEAT_F ?
14:22:54webguest63i see...
14:24:40n1shcs: yes that should work
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14:27:17amiconnhcs: Checking for specific models should be kept to an absolute minimum. Check for features instead, wherever possible
14:27:41hcsamiconn: ok, where's the "beefy processor" feature defined?
14:28:03XavierGrlol
14:28:12webguest63where can i get half life and CS for the ipod running rockbox or ipl? are they just skins for idoom?
14:28:18Mikachuyou can check for cpu frequency
14:28:32hcsMikachu: cpu frequency on the gigabeat is defined at 16MHz
14:28:48Mikachuthat's not my fault :P
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14:29:29amiconnIt's not a fault, it's correct for targets which do scaling, provided this is the lowest freq possible in rockbox
14:29:52amiconnCheck CPUFREQ_MAX instead
14:30:13scorchewebguest63: they are add-ons, and you will find them yourself
14:30:34webguest63scorche: where?
14:30:38scorchegoogle
14:31:19webguest63are they generic add ons for all doom ports?
14:31:48scorcheit depends what doom you are running
14:32:03scorcheif that version supports add-ons
14:32:40webguest63ok ill go check google. thanks
14:36:07desowinis there any better way to #ifdef all iPods than #if defined(IPOD_3G) || defined(IPOD_4G) || defined(IPOD_MINI2G) || .... ?
14:36:46XavierGronly ipods or portaplayer based targets?
14:36:52Mikachuyou want to use the same ifdef as the one that determines if your lcd function gets included
14:37:13n1s#idef IPOD_ARCH maybe...
14:37:19n1s#ifdef even
14:41:02desowinor better it would be to ifdef all targets that have Renesas HD66753 Graphics LCD Controller/Driver ?
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14:47:12g33hm the clipping light when recording doesnt work?
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15:01:44midkayhrm.. quick coding question.
15:02:21midkayif i have an int year = 2007.. any quick way to split that up into seperate ints? i can get the "2" by year/1000 and the "7" by year%10.. what about the zeros?
15:03:27midkayah. think i got it.
15:03:33Mikachu+ and -
15:03:42midkayhm?
15:03:53Mikachuint thousand = 2007/1000
15:04:08Mikachuint hundred = (2007-thousand*1000) / 100
15:04:24Mikachu(not guaranteeing it's the best way)
15:04:42midkayhrm.
15:04:47midkaytesting this method..
15:06:34midkayyeah, it works..
15:06:57midkayyear%1000 = thousands..
15:07:02midkaywait.
15:07:11midkayyear/1000 = thousands. :)
15:07:13midkayyear%1000/100 = hundreds..
15:07:17midkayyear%100/10 = tens..
15:07:22midkayyear%10 = ones.
15:07:28amiconnugh, lots of unnecessary divisions
15:07:49Mikachuit's not exactly something in an inner loop
15:08:01*midkay reads up, wondering where amiconn proposed his bette solution..
15:08:02amiconnNah, not lots, bu tsome extra ones
15:08:18amiconnMikachu's method needs 4 divisions, yours needs 6
15:09:23midkaynot sure i even get his...
15:09:36amiconnyear/1000 <= #1
15:09:46amiconnyear%1000/100 <= #2 and #3
15:09:54midkay(2007-thousand*1000) / 100 -> (2007 - 2*1000) / 100 -> (2007 - 2000) / 100 -> 7 / 100?
15:10:02amiconnyear%100/10 <= #4 and #5
15:10:07idnarI think divmod might be the best way to go
15:10:19amiconnyear%10 <= #6
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15:10:51idnarhttp://rafb.net/p/zzXEmW34.html (Python code, but it shouldn't be hard to port it to any other language)
15:11:27Mikachuwould be nice if you could just do year & 9000 :)
15:11:35midkaymm..
15:12:18midkayi think i'd prefer a bit less efficiency for something shorter and much more understandable (to me..)
15:12:21amiconnIf you just need base 10 and it's a long number, you could (mis-)use snprintf
15:13:52amiconnchar buf[8]; snprintf(buf, sizeof buf, "%07d", year);
15:14:23midkayi don't see what that will do..
15:14:50amiconnThen you can read out: ones=buf[6]-'0'; tens = buf[5]-'0'; hundreds = buf[4]-'0'; thousands = buf[3]-'0';
15:15:03amiconnIt's not very elegant, but it should work
15:15:33*midkay stares
15:15:41mattzzamiconn, nice one ;-)
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15:16:28midkayi'll stick with (in comparison) simpler, inline calculations.. thanks, though.
15:16:58amiconnIn practise I would use Mikachu's method
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15:18:53Mikachuwhy are we extracting these digits in the first place?
15:20:40mattzzhere is another one: I want to toggle a value by pressing a button a long time (BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_REPEAT). If the value has toggled I do not want further toggling.
15:21:12mattzzWhat is the best way to do that?
15:22:33amiconnUse a _PRE
15:22:41Mikachucheck if the previous button press was BUTTON_SELECT
15:23:29mattzzThanks.
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15:27:07mattzzwhat works, works ;-)
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15:40:16webguest15Hi there
15:40:38webguest15is there anyone here =D
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15:41:22dan_aHi webguest15 - most people here stay quiet until they see something that they want to respond to
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15:42:46webguest33Allright.. ( still same guest )
15:43:13webguest33I have some questions about rockbox.. I searched the entire internet, forums etc but i can't find it..
15:43:23webguest33Could you help me ?
15:43:43dan_aAsk the questions - if I can't help you, maybe someone who can will answer
15:43:43mattzzgo ahead
15:43:54webguest33thanks ..
15:44:20webguest33I got an ipod 5G ( video ) .. and installed with Ipod linux , Rockbox and the normal Apple OS
15:44:48webguest33Its just when I turn on my ipod, automaticly rockbox opens..
15:45:31dan_awebguest33: The rockbox bootloader goes into rockbox unless you are telling it not to.
15:45:34webguest33First when i used the center button and the menu button, my ipodloader opened.. Do you know how to get rockbox into the loader
15:46:12webguest33How can I set the apple OS to the normal loader, like the "first"loader..
15:47:39webguest33The only way to choose between rockbox, ipodlinux, and apple os for me is center −−> menu ... and then quick the menu button, thats when I come into the ipodloader.. When I dont do anything automatic rockbox opens. How do I change it ??
15:48:42dan_awebguest33: Using the Rockbox bootloader, you can't. You might be better off with Loader2 from ipodlinux (which gives you a configurable menu) - but we can't help you with that
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15:50:05webguest33I thought I installed the Loader2 from ipodlinux.. I allready "insert"the rockbox into the loader.. But i want the loader to appear when i turn on my ipod.. Now automatic my rockbox opens.. You can't help me with this either?
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15:51:03dan_aIt sounds like the Rockbox bootloader has been installed after loader2 - install loader2 again and you should be fine :D
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15:51:45desowinany iPod user can check if http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199 works ?
15:52:04webguest33Allrighty, So its like installing ipod linux again with bootloader 2 ?
15:53:00dan_awebguest33: Yes, but you've already got the rest of iPodLinux on there, so you only need to put Loader2 on there.
15:53:25mattzzamiconn, maybe you can help me once more: What is the preferred way of printing text inversed mode?
15:53:45webguest33yeah I see the wikipod site, but I think its way to difficult! I allready tried that once...
15:54:17webguest33Is this right: I just dropped the .rockbox and the rockbox.ipod files on ma ipod dik
15:54:49n1swebguest33: yes if you already had loader2 that should be enough
15:55:15n1ssp it seems your problem is with the ipodloader...
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15:55:50desowinit's ifdefed but when tried to compile rockbox for iRiver H10, it poped up "powermgmt.c:(.text.shutdown_hw+0x128): undefined reference to `lcd_shutdown'" :/
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16:00:23webguest33hmmm
16:00:30webguest33there is one way to get it work
16:00:40Mikachuthere are many ways
16:00:48webguest33center and menu.. and then again menu.. then the ipodloader appears..
16:00:55webguest33But its just not the right one..
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16:01:05webguest33but anyway thanks for your help.. =D
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16:01:13webguest33I'm gonna try some..
16:01:17webguest33Bye
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16:52:33Mikachuhcs: i can confirm ipods are too slow for gaussian interp :)
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17:25:08Soapok, I feel shamed for asking this, as I've done it before...but I'm getting a "-bash: rockboxdev.sh: command not found" when trying to run rockboxdev.sh from inside the tools folder. I used chmod to allow the file to execute...now I'm at a loss.
17:26:48perplexityis . in your path? tried ./rockboxdev.sh ?
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17:27:02Soapoh go
17:27:03Soapgod
17:27:22Soapyea, that was it. :(
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17:37:26markunhi mirak
17:37:36markunplanning to work on video again?
17:38:24mirakmarkun: hi, how are you ?
17:38:47markunfine, thanks :)
17:41:34mirakhum it's strange it's like charging from usb doesn't work anymore on the H300 ...
17:41:49mirakon rockbox or iriver firmware
17:42:38markunsounds like a HW problem then
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17:43:39fasmaiemarkun: The cpu scaling improved my battery time by about 45 mins. Repeated twice
17:44:00fasmaiemarkun: on the gigabeat
17:44:25markunfasmaie: yes, I remember
17:45:20fasmaiemarkun: Sorry, I saw you mention perldiver's lower times to someone else, I just wanted to make sure he understood that the effect of CPU scaling is not fully documented yet
17:45:30fasmaie:)
17:45:45fasmaieOn the gigabeat, at least
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17:49:09mattzzcan somebody help me with the lcd_puts() function?
17:49:42mattzzI dont want the parts right of the given position being erased
17:50:18mirakmarkun: it seems to work now, strange ...
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17:50:32markunmirak: so, what about video?
17:51:07mirakit's all about time
17:51:46mirakwell what I started was trying to port ffmpeg mpeg2
17:52:17mirakbecause it seemed easier to optimise and understand than libmpeg2 which is unmaintened
17:52:59toffeHello
17:54:21markunmirak: and xvid
17:54:52miraknobody looked at this patch
17:55:20mirakit was ugly anyway
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17:58:46mirakmarkun: xvid I don't know
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18:00:37toffemirak : talk with dune2 and twins when they are connected, they seems interested on working on the mpegplayer
18:01:28dune2hey all !!
18:01:34dune2hey mirak :)
18:03:19dune2mirak, we are looking in main loop of mpegplayer with twins, to insert buffer[0] & buffer[1], to preload next chunck of data while playing previous one ....
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18:04:52dune2midkay: but as I begin to do that ... I had mistake in mpeg2_decode and mad_decode, as they works with pointer independant of "buffer" ... and cannot be updated with indexed buffer
18:05:01mirakdune2: sorry you should ask to linuxstb__
18:05:11dune2ooops sorry midkay ... it was for mirak :)
18:05:22dune2mirak: ok :)
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18:05:41mirakI only worked on the idct part in asm
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18:06:22finnyhow to put rock on sansa e250 i need help
18:06:32finnyrockbox
18:06:54barrywardellhave you followed http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install
18:07:53finnythanks
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18:28:50webguest50hea.. could I ask something??
18:29:07webguest50Does one of you guys know how to get Apple Os work on ma ipod..
18:29:29webguest50I got a dual boot with rockbox ipodlinux and apple os .. but os doesnt work anymore.. Any suggestions?
18:32:17bluebrotherwhat bootloader are you using?
18:32:37bluebrotherI think there was an issue some time ago, but only for some ipod series.
18:32:50bluebrotheralready tried installing the latest Rockbox bootloader?
18:33:50webguest58no boot loader
18:34:03webguest58?
18:34:27webguest58need help
18:34:29webguest50eha am sorry
18:34:33webguest50thought no-one was there
18:34:40webguest50Ehh Am using the bootloader 2
18:34:51webguest50and got ipod linux and rockbox installed ( dual boot )
18:35:00webguest58how to get sansa on rockbox
18:35:33Soaproot
18:35:44Soapoops
18:35:45webguest50How do I replace/reinstall my ipod apple os .. ?
18:36:37barrywardellwebguest58: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install
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18:43:59webguest50Please.. someone/
18:44:20bluebrotherwebguest50, there is no bootloader2. There is loader2 from the IPL people
18:44:41bluebrotherif there are problems with that we can't help you here. I suggest trying the latest Rockbox bootloader
18:45:23webguest58need help installing rockbox on sansa e250
18:45:54barrywardellwebguest58: i directed you to our installation guide. does that not work for you?
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18:46:34webguest50 Allright I mean loader 2... But its the apple OS what does not work. =/
18:47:45barrywardellwebguest50: loader2 is made by ipodlinux people, not rockbox. i recommend you ask in #ipodlinux about it
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18:49:02webguest58can any one make a video on youtube how to do this plz
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18:50:43n1swebguest58: The sansa port is not intended for general use yet (it doesn't have audio!) but is more for developers right now, if following the insatt instructions is too difficult I recomend you to wait until it matures a bit more...
18:51:10n1s- insatt
18:51:13webguest50mm allright
18:51:15webguest50thanks anyway
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18:53:43spugoops, dropped my H300 in the floor :(
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18:53:56spugi need a cradle :( does the H340 cradle/dock work for the H320?
18:55:09n1sspug: I don't think it fits as well, but i guess it should work...
18:55:44spughmm, okay
18:55:52spugthanks
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19:04:21m6arateon maxween's applied patches page, http://members.a1.net/maxwen/rockbox/patched-20070112-1050.htm, it says bmpresize requires version 1.28 of bmp.c. What does this mean and how can I get it? I am trying to make a custom build.
19:07:10n1sit's an old revision of bmp.c look in the cahangelog for one of amiconns changes that added support for several formats among other things
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19:08:25w1ll14mWTF
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19:09:32w1ll14mWTF it'ds a noob
19:09:36HardDisk_WPeh...
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19:09:49w1ll14mtime for a kick ... it's a web irc noob
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19:10:01w1ll14mfgsf is i=54381711@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.jpgclan.com/x-5bb5bbdec8e97c63 * [54381711] CGI:IRC user on http://irc.jpgclan.com/
19:10:03MikachuName: dslb-084-056-023-017.pools.arcor-ip.net
19:10:03MikachuAddress: 84.56.23.17
19:10:28w1ll14mdamn... there goes the log 2 MB's up
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19:10:35MikachuBagder, anyone?
19:10:44HardDisk_WPhe's quitted...
19:10:47Mikachuah
19:10:48Mikachui ignored
19:10:49w1ll14mi see....
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19:11:11HardDisk_WPMikachu, how did you get the IP?
19:11:17Mikachutop secret
19:11:30Mikachufunction hexip() { a=$(for a (`echo $1 | sed -r 's/(..)(..)(..)(..)/\1 \2 \3 \4/'`) {hextodec $a}|xargs|sed s/\ /./g); hostx $a }
19:11:34Mikachu% hexip 54381711
19:11:49HardDisk_WPthat bash?
19:11:54Mikachuzsh
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19:12:22Mikachui figured he might get scared if i pasted his ip :)
19:12:22goffahmm... anyone know what happened to #ifdef HAVE_TC_RAMCACHE?
19:12:30goffaseems to have been removed from settings.c
19:12:34w1ll14mmikachu:whahhaah
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19:12:52barrywardellArathis: do you have a H10 5GB?
19:12:57goffaand that in turn broke a patch that i use
19:12:59w1ll14mmikachu:i would :) maybe this channel is full of hackers.. he'll be dead
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19:13:34Mikachugetting yours is easier, just /whois ;)
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19:13:45Arathisbarrywardell: no. a 20gb
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19:14:13caitsith_2Could I get write permission to my wiki account DamienGood. I intend to contribute battery life benchmarks.
19:14:15w1ll14mmikachu: i know, but i haven't done anything to let you guys get my ip ;)
19:14:29w1ll14mand if so, ll just replace my nic in my gateway and i have a new ip :)
19:14:36barrywardellArathis: ah, ok. i wanted someone to test midgey's rockboy patch on a 5gb to see if they get the same bug i do
19:14:42w1ll14mjust sucks, i have to change a bunch of DNS names
19:14:53HardDisk_WPMikachu, where is hextodec?
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19:14:59midgeybarrywardell: we're searching for an x5 tester as well
19:15:05Arathisbarrywardell: what bug do you get?
19:15:06HardDisk_WPMikachu, doesnt seem to be in a debian pkg?
19:15:11MikachuHardDisk_WP: it's a shell function i just pasted
19:15:14barrywardellmidgey: Moos tested for me
19:15:20barrywardellhe couldn't reproduce it
19:15:21Mikachuanyway you can calculate it by hand too if you want
19:15:23midgeyoh?
19:15:27HardDisk_WPMikachu, you only pasted hexip()
19:15:35MikachuHardDisk_WP: oh okay
19:15:52w1ll14mthe hexip looks intresting....
19:15:56HardDisk_WPMikachu, same for hostx
19:15:58Mikachufunction anytoany () { echo $(( [#$3] $2#$1 )) ;:|sed 's/.*#//' }
19:16:01Mikachufunction dectohex () { anytoany $1 10 16 }
19:16:05midgeyseems strange that the issue is only occurring on the h10
19:16:09Mikachuhostx is just a command, you can use host instead
19:16:14Mikachubut i didn't intend to be this much off topic
19:16:40bluebrothercaitsith_2, done.
19:16:52barrywardellmidgey: yes, strange indeed. would be nice to see if it affects other h10 models too
19:17:51HardDisk_WPMikachu, still dont work, you pasted dectohex instead...and using host instead hostx didnt work
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19:18:09mattzzSansa: Data abort at 01F80248 ?!
19:18:20MikachuHardDisk_WP use your imagination :)
19:18:47HardDisk_WPMikachu, i am no 13337 scr1pt0r :D
19:18:59barrywardellmattzz: what were you doing at the time?
19:19:13Mikachuif dectohex is 10 16, what do you think hextodec is?
19:19:18mattzzbarrywardell, playing with a memory monitor plugin I am currently writing.
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19:19:36Mikachuand you can echo $a instead, that'll just give you the ip, no hostname
19:19:44mattzzbarrywardell, do you know some interesting memory areas to look at (cpu_config, timer, etc.)?
19:19:56mattzzbarrywardell, happened while paging around
19:20:06w1ll14mmikachu, realy i don't understand :)
19:20:39barrywardellmattzz: do you mean addresses of hardware components? firmware/export/pp5020.h is a start
19:20:58barrywardelland http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020
19:21:35mattzzbarrywardell, that was exactly what I was looking for - thanks
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19:23:30HardDisk_WPMikachu, works. 1337!
19:24:10mattzzbarrywardell, yay, it works! I can see the GPIO space in real time ;-)
19:24:27barrywardellmattzz: have you s
19:24:36barrywardellseen the i/o ports debug screen?
19:25:07MikachuHardDisk_WP: a simpler version is
19:25:17Mikachuping `hextodec thenumber`
19:25:24Mikachubut i consider that cheating
19:25:28mattzzbarrywardell, sure. I was just looking for some interesting memory space to look at.
19:26:48*mattzz can also watch timer registers online now ;-)
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19:31:23w1ll14mmikachu: how do you call a function in zsh ?
19:31:47Mikachujust type the name of it
19:32:27w1ll14mok
19:32:59barrywardellmattzz: that could be a useful plugin. is there a patch somewhere?
19:34:02mattzzbarrywardell, not yet, I am still testing. I can send a pre-release if you want.
19:34:43barrywardelli'll wait till it's ready
19:34:53mattzzgood choice ;-)
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19:40:37mattzzis the usage of BUTTON_REC in plugin allowed?
19:40:59mattzzplural, plugins
19:41:27mattzzIn terms of coding style / policies...
19:41:33w1ll14mMikachu: can't figure out howto get hextodec to work.. maybe just to noobish ;)
19:41:54w1ll14mOk, diner is ready so ll see you later guys :)
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19:42:48n1smattzz: It's used in lot's of plugins.
19:43:11mattzzOK, just wanted to be sure.
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19:44:58amiconnmattzz: (in case you didn't find out yourself): In order to print inverted text, set the drawmode to include DRMODE_INVERSEVID beforehands
19:46:16mattzzamiconn, thanks for the reply. I used
19:46:17bluebrotherwhat's the different thing on the "pure" model of the h10?
19:46:19mattzz rb->lcd_set_drawmode(DRMODE_COMPLEMENT);
19:46:19mattzz rb->lcd_fillrect(sel_col*fw*2, sel_row*fh+fh-1, fw*2, 1);
19:46:29barrywardellbluebrother: no fm radio
19:46:45mattzzamiconn, to draw a inverted rect.
19:46:47bluebrotherah. Don't need that anyway.
19:47:03bluebrotherI'm watching one at ebay, but surprisingly there are no other bidders ...
19:47:51amiconnmattzz: Just lcd_set_drawmode(DRMODE_SOLID|DRMODE_INVERSEVID); and then print your text
19:48:09amiconnNo need to complement rectangles
19:48:43mattzzamiconn, I see.
19:49:32mattzzamiconn, do you have any idea what happened to the recorder builds? why has the firmware grown so much?
19:49:32amiconnIf you use DRMODE_COMPLEMENT the way you do, it will look different from using DRMODE_INVERSEVID unless your foreground and background colours are exact complements
19:50:20amiconnFeaturitis, and many devs not caring about binary size :(
19:51:10amiconnAll recorders are now too big for rombox (for quite a while, even though the 'red' for the v1 started just a few days ago)
19:51:44amiconnThe builds don't turn red immediately when they become too big, this is a linker quirk
19:52:32mattzzI think rombox has been too big for quite some time for the recorders. But this keeps me from compiling regular rockbox firmware images
19:52:37amiconnThe linker doesn't complain as long as the start of a section still fits into the memory area, even though the end might already be past the end
19:53:09amiconnmattzz: It doesn't. That's the reason why archos rombox is linked at the end of the build process
19:53:44amiconnAn error there leaves you with ordinary rockbox and all plugins already built
19:54:00mattzzajbrec.ajz - right, there it is....
19:54:04amiconnI have and use a recorder myself
19:54:21bluebrotherwasn't the menu rework supposed to cut the binary size?
19:54:38amiconnbluebrother: Yes. Menu rework isn't in yet
19:55:03bluebrotherso it's like text configuration increased the size, menu rework will decrease it again?
19:55:37amiconnText configuraton decreased binary size a little, but one preparation for the settings rework increased it
19:56:10bluebrotherah. Haven't followed the exact differenct between text configuration and menu rework recently
19:56:48amiconn26 Jan 05:45Jonathan Gordon "Add 4 settings which were somehow missed during the conversion to config.cfg. Adds the LANG_ id for each setting to get them ready for the upcoming menu changes"
19:57:11amiconnThe added LANG_IDs triggered the red for recorders
19:58:46Mikachui saw some places in the code that do things like
19:58:56Mikachustatic const char[] no = "no";
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19:59:08Mikachuand then no is used in the code, but using "no" and no variable takes up less space
19:59:24Mikachuat least when i made a small test program natively
19:59:44amiconnIt depends on target, gcc version and optimisation level
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20:00:08amiconnIf you need "no" more than once, gcc includes it multiple times when not optimising
20:00:28Mikachubut rockbox always uses at least -O1 doesn't it?
20:00:34amiconnIt does
20:01:26amiconnThe static variable just helps gcc in case it misses the string identities
20:01:42amiconnDon't conclude from building for arch. X to arch. Y
20:01:51amiconnResults can be wildly different
20:02:17*amiconn still doesn't like that sh-elf-gcc aligns strings to 32 bit boundaries
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20:02:55amiconnI found no switch to turn this off...
20:03:12webguest72Hey all
20:03:58webguest72I was wondering if it's possible to sync my iPod with rockbox to a new computer without wiping it out
20:04:07webguest72or at least having to reinstall rockbox
20:04:33webguest72I mean, sync using iTunes
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20:07:24bluebrotherI don't know how itunes will behave, but as long as you don't update the firmware there shouldn't be a problem
20:07:41bluebrotherif itunes decides to update the firmware you'll need to reinstall the bootloader
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20:10:15Hotfusionim starting to like emusic
20:10:44webguest72Okay
20:11:01webguest72So as long as I don't update the firmware
20:11:26markunHotfusion: what is it?
20:12:38webguest72So is it safe then to copy the entire contents of the iPod to a folder on my Hard drive, sync it, then move all of it back?
20:12:52*amiconn found a bug in the new config writer
20:13:29amiconnThe 'id3 tag priority' setting doesn't use the correct option srings, making old config files incompatible
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20:15:11n1sIs anyone against removing the stuff in powermgmt.c that changes backlight and spindown times when the battery level is low?
20:18:14n1safk for a while but will read replies later ;-)
20:20:06bluebrotherwebguest72, I guess so unless itunes does something with your database file
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20:57:05mattzzhttp://www.rockbox.org/docs/contributing.html is a dead link on
20:57:07mattzzhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches#Submitting_A_Patch
20:57:19mattzzWhere should it point to?
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21:00:47linuxstbMaybe the docs/CONTRIBUTING page in SVN - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/CONTRIBUTING
21:02:36mattzzOK, thanks. Page is updated
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21:08:48TrueJournalsI have a really strange problem... I just built rockbox and the version number is coming out 20r12131M-070128... this doesn't seem like a right version number... plus, if I try to boot, it shows the debug text and just resets
21:09:02TrueJournalsany ideas?
21:09:16Mikachuthe 20 is strange
21:09:49barrywardellwhat debug text does it show?
21:10:08TrueJournalsIt's hard to tell... it goes too fast... there's not a way to pause it is there? :-p
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21:11:12barrywardelltry getting the latest svn. i just added a 5 second pause
21:11:46dionoeawow, the AMS thing is awesome :) Are they paying the plane tickets too ? :p
21:12:13TrueJournalsRockbox boot loader
21:12:13TrueJournalsVersion: 20r12131M-070128
21:12:13TrueJournalsiriver H10 20GB
21:12:13DBUGEnqueued KICK TrueJournals
21:12:13TrueJournalsHTC42...(more numbers)
21:12:13TrueJournalsPartition 0: 0x0C 19077 MB
21:12:14***Alert Mode level 1
21:12:14TrueJournalsLoading Rockbox...
21:12:16TrueJournalsLength: 734B4
21:12:18TrueJournals(some more stuff... can't tell past there)
21:12:33TrueJournalsAh! It just decided to boot after resetting about 20 times
21:13:15dan_aPartition type 0x0C doesn't look right
21:13:54linuxstb__barrywardell: Did you test those sleep() functions? I didn't think the portalplayer bootloaders had sleep() implemented.
21:14:05amiconndan_a: Uh, why?
21:14:26amiconnPartition type 0x0c is FAT32 LBA, that sounds correct
21:14:27dan_aOh, no, 0x0C is LBA mapped FAT32. I'd just not seen it before
21:14:59barrywardelllinuxstb__: it works on my sansa. i'll test on my h10 now...
21:16:50TrueJournalsI'll try updating my build with the latest SVN
21:20:17TrueJournalscan I update SVN? just do svn update?
21:21:02barrywardelllinuxstb__: you're right. sleep just freezes on my H10
21:21:43linuxstb__You can just replace them by calls to udelay(5000000).
21:22:02linuxstb__Does the Sansa bootloader enable interrupts?
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21:22:39barrywardellmy plan exactly.
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21:24:58Arathisbarrywardell: do I need a new bootloader now?
21:25:16barrywardellno, you don't need one
21:25:29barrywardellthe changes are quite small - mostly just better error messages
21:26:24mattzzbarrywardell, I just committed my memory monitor/editor patch to fs.
21:26:37barrywardellmattzz: great. i'll take a look at it
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21:43:05barrywardelllinuxstb__: i changed it to udelay. hopefully the bootloader behaviour is to your liking, ie. not failsafeing to jumping to apple-os at the start of dram
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21:45:31n1swow, we're now only two tasks (read useless feature requests :-P) from 1k in FS
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21:46:59linuxstbbarrywardell: It looks good to me.
21:47:08barrywardellcool. i'm off then
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21:47:40Soapwhat are the system preresiquites for rockboxdev.sh? I just saw the error "*** The command 'cc -o confters -g conftest.c' failed. *** You must set the enviromental variable CC to a working compiler.
21:48:30dionoeadon't you have gcc installed ?
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21:49:50SoapDidn't realize I needed to, the wiki page for building the cross compilers didn't say I needed to.
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21:50:10dionoeawell you need something to build them with :)
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21:50:34Soaphey! for all I knew the script did it ALL ;)
21:50:54linuxstbWhat OS are you running rockboxdev.sh in?
21:50:57Soapor it would fail gracefully at the start with a "You idiot! You have no gcc!"
21:51:04Soaplinuxstb: linux.
21:51:12linuxstbWhich flavour?
21:51:20Soaplatest debian
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21:51:58linuxstbTry "apt-get install build-essential"
21:52:16SoapI just did apt-get install gcc - was that a mistake?
21:52:22dionoeano
21:52:26linuxstbNo, but you may need more than just gcc.
21:52:46Soapok, thank you. I feel like such a fool.
21:53:37dionoea:)
21:55:17rp-i have a arm asm question, http://rafb.net/p/hOKrfl41.html <−− what value does R0 hold after the LDR command?
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21:55:45SoapI'm trying to rebuild a colinux enviroment from scratch. I had previously simply updated Jdgordon's prior effort, but I am shocked by how much smaller the archive is for the VMWare image, I figured I might have some cruft, so I started from scratch.
21:55:55rp-de addition from r0 and r4?
21:56:46linuxstbYes - it's R0 := R0 + R4
21:56:55rp-thx
21:57:12linuxstbYou may find the "arm quick reference" helpful - google for it.
21:57:50rp-i have it, but i wasn't sure if such a statement makes sense or if it is valid
21:58:02BiptoNrp-: http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/index.html
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22:03:58tucozXavierGr: around?
22:05:23tucozXavierGr: i wanted to ask what you used to build the vmware image
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22:06:17amiconnrp-: After the LDR, ro holds the 32 bit value stored at loc_FFFE, whatever the is
22:06:42amiconnThe disassembler seems to do more than it should; loc_FFFE is a data location, not an instruction
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22:09:44rp-amiconn: thought that too, but how do i know if it's code or data?
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22:10:12amiconnWell, it's loaded by ldr, hence it's data
22:10:46rp-makes sense ;)
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22:24:37tucozdoes anyone else know if there are free tools to build a vmware image?
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22:28:40*tucoz should learn to read. the vmware server is free. :)
22:29:10rp-amiconn: when i'm at thumb mode does ldr r0 only load 16bit?
22:29:16BiptoNyou can use tools from qemu
22:29:59amiconnNo, why should it?
22:30:02tucozBiptoN, i'll check it out. thanks
22:30:11BiptoNsure thing
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22:30:21BiptoNare you on windows or *nix?
22:30:29Mmmmooh err...svn... do I have to check out an entirely new source or can I update my previous cvs ones?
22:31:03rp-just a guess, should have checked the reference before asking
22:31:11amiconnYou have to do a fresh checkout
22:31:20Mmmmok, ta
22:31:23tucozBiptoN, linux
22:31:31BiptoNgood
22:31:32BiptoN;)
22:31:37bluebrothertucoz, there is VirtualBox around. It's free since a couple of days
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22:31:51tucozbluebrother, what is that?
22:31:55bluebrotherI tried it, looks like it's similar to vmware.
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22:32:02tucozoh. great
22:32:07bluebrotherthe only problem was the shared folder, didn't get that working
22:32:14bluebrotherhttp://www.virtualbox.org
22:32:18tucozthanks
22:32:27bluebrotherthey released it as GPL some days ago
22:32:50bluebrothercan't build a vmware image, but for my requirements it might be a good replacement
22:32:58bluebrotheronce I get that shared folders working
22:33:00tucozvmware's eula is quite a long read
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22:35:30amiconnrp-: Google for ddi0100e_arm_arm.pdf
22:36:04webguest96rockboxers: I think I must be doing something wrong in the registration process for Flyspray. (Bug and Feature request.) I input a username/email addy select email. Then click send code.
22:36:28webguest96I haven't received an email in the past week. Have done this a few times to no avail.
22:36:48dionoeawhat version of arm do the pp chips implement ?
22:36:50n1swebguest96: can you try with another email adress
22:37:09tucozwebguest96, or ask Bagder for help :)
22:37:33n1sanyway goodnight fellows
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22:38:46tucozbluebrother, i was thinking about a possibility to create a quick-start manual as a separate download (.pdf) where we only ship the introduction chapters.
22:39:01rp-amiconn: thx
22:39:06amiconndionoea: The PP chips feature 2 ARM7TDMI cores, which are arm V4T
22:39:10bluebrotherhmm. You think it's worth the work?
22:39:12tucozlike a getting-started, where plugins etc are left out
22:39:34tucozi do not think it's that hard. we could opt out the references as a start
22:40:02bluebrotherit shouldn't be too much work, but I'm not sure it's worth it.
22:40:16bluebrotheras the idea was to make the later chapters somewhat an optional read
22:40:17tucozit's just an idea. but i think 144 pages stops a few people from downloading it
22:40:29bluebrotherhehe. Right.
22:40:41dionoeaamiconn: so definitively not ARMV6 compatible i guess ?
22:40:52amiconnnope
22:40:59bluebrotherso we could add a file that simply defines a FULL symbol
22:41:18bluebrotherand include that file if it's present, so the platform file gets somewhat extended
22:41:24dionoeatoo bad :( mru just commited an ARMV6 IDCT to ffmpeg
22:41:40tucozyep. and define a quickstart \def
22:42:06tucozwhere the \ref's are left out
22:42:15bluebrother\IfFileExists{type.tex}{\input{type.tex}{}
22:42:47bluebrotherhmm, that would break all "see <reference>" stuff
22:43:11tucozi am thinking of the frontpage, install bootloader, install rockbox, and the chapter with the key-reference image is
22:43:40tucozwe could do \nopt{quickstart}{see \reference..} there
22:44:03tucozmakes the "code" a bit messier though
22:44:08bluebrotherI'm not sure if I like the added complexity
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22:44:59bluebrotherIMO we can call it code. In some way we are programming the output ;-)
22:45:14tucozyes, we are. tex is turing-complete after all
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22:46:42tucozi just wanted to hear if it is worth the effort to see what comes out of it (when i feel i got the motivation to do it)
22:46:42amiconndionoea: It depends on what instructions this idct actually uses. Maybe it can be adapted
22:46:56bluebrotherwe could try it ...
22:47:33tucozthe problem as you say, is the added complexity
22:47:34Mikachuamiconn: i had a thought earlier, just a theoretical question for now. if one huffman-decoded a jpg, could "large" jpg files be viewed then? ie not needing to fit in ram
22:47:38bluebrothermaybe by simply stripping down a set of local copies, and uploading them
22:47:49Mikachuamiconn: iirc you said that was the step that required the mem storage
22:47:50bluebrotherand look if the users like it
22:48:01dionoeaamiconn: i think that already had a ARMV5TE (whatever that is) implementation. So i guess that big parts are V6 specific
22:48:07tucozgood idea
22:48:13bluebrotherif they do we can add the option to svn later
22:48:17dionoeai can post a link to a patch if anyone is interested though
22:48:30bluebrotherand by a simple hack we could ignore stuff like broken references.
22:48:47bluebrothersimply add a front page that states it as experiment ;-)
22:48:50tucozhehe
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22:51:15tucozhopefully, we'll get a default theme soon other than the current, so that we can add prettier screenshots.
22:51:21saratogahello
22:51:41bluebrotherbtw, I played around with a shipped themes chapter in the appendix a while ago
22:51:43saratogais it possible to allocate local function variables in IRAM or do they need to be declared as static
22:52:00bluebrotherDidn't like the current state, but I think it would be a good addition
22:52:01saratogabasically i don't understand how IRAM allocation is handled
22:52:03amiconndionoea: True, esp. since the commit msg. says SIMD
22:52:42tucozit might be good, yes.
22:52:59dionoeaamiconn: and that's not available on the pp chips ? (/me doesn't have a clue)
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22:55:03amiconnHmm, ffmpeg has an arm v4 idct
22:55:13*amiconn wonders whether we're using it
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22:56:15linuxstbamiconn: No, we're not.
22:56:58Mikachui'm still not used to the logs, that confuses me every time :)
22:57:04dionoea:p
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22:58:17linuxstbsaratoga: Local function variables are on the stack, and plugins run in the main thread, and the main thread's stack is in IRAM.
22:59:00saratogaoh
22:59:15saratogaso if something is just given automatic scope, it is in the iram anyway?
22:59:48linuxstbWhat do you mean by automatic scope?
22:59:59saratogaerr automatic or whatever its called
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23:00:06saratogawhen you say "int x"
23:00:14saratogawithin a function
23:00:25saratogasorry, my c is really rusty
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23:00:37linuxstbYes, variables declared within a function are on the stack - hence in IRAM.
23:00:48linuxstbUnless you declare them static.
23:01:19saratogathen i'm confused about the profileing results posted for dct32
23:01:30saratogaits just a long series of adds and muls for local variables
23:01:33amiconnlinuxstb: Any special reason why we don't?
23:01:38saratogahow are those not in the IRAM?
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23:01:56linuxstbamiconn: ffmpeg's MPEG decoder is different to libmpeg2. I'm sure it could be ported, but no-one has looked at it.
23:01:57BiptoNdoes anyone know off the top of their heads what files need to be editted to add a new function in the quickscreen?
23:02:02saratogaor if they are, then why does that code give so many cache misses
23:02:28linuxstbWas the profiling on the iFP7xx?
23:02:33saratogayeah
23:02:48saratogai believe it has 64k of IRAM right?
23:02:51amiconnMeh, I forgot we don't use ffmpeg for video
23:03:24linuxstbmirak was looking at porting ffmpeg's decoder, but I'm not sure he got anywhere with it.
23:03:25Mikachuat least on x86 ffmpeg is a lot faster than libmpeg2
23:03:47dionoeaMikachu: err ... you're sure it's not the other way arround ?
23:03:56linuxstbThat's not surprising - ffmpeg is heavily optimised for x86.
23:04:11miraklinuxstb: no I did not finished, no time
23:04:50TrueJournalsHey, anyone know how to get wine working on the VMWare image?
23:04:54mirakdionoea: libmpeg2 is not maintained anymore since many years, ffmpeg2 still have some coding going
23:05:03MikachuTrueJournals: isn't that like ... sort of stupid?
23:05:09bluebrotherwine inside of the image?
23:05:15TrueJournalslol, I guess
23:05:34TrueJournalsOK then... different question
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23:05:44dionoeahttp://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-dev-eng/2004-August/028021.html (ok, ffmpeg wins :p)
23:05:52TrueJournalsis there any way to easily get a webbrowser (like Firefox) working in the VMWare image
23:06:14Mikachuif you ever run firefox in wine i will come to your house and kill you
23:06:23bluebrotherinstall firefox?
23:06:26 Quit robin0800 ("For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.")
23:06:31Mikachuand i mean that in a kind way
23:06:37bluebrotherbtw, doesn't the image have a browser installed already?
23:07:25TrueJournalsbluebrother: it has text-based browsers... I'd like a visual browser
23:07:57bluebrotherever tried links? When running in xterm you can even click ;-)
23:08:08bluebrotherapt-get install firefox?
23:08:08MikachuTrueJournals: try apt-get firefox
23:08:13Mikachuis that the command?
23:08:14bluebrotheror iceweasel?
23:08:15TrueJournalslet me try that...
23:08:29linuxstbTrueJournals: I'm not sure what's in the vmware image, but try "apt-get install mozilla-firefox"
23:08:59bluebrothermaybe apt-cache search firefox to find the package name ...
23:09:00*amiconn doubts that the vmware image knows about firefox, let alone iceweasel
23:09:10bluebrotherbut I stopped using apt some years ago
23:09:18amiconnIirc the vmware image is debian stable, aka debian outdated
23:09:51bluebrotherstable? Oh.
23:10:25TrueJournalsthe problem is... anytime I try using apt-get, it just gives me dependency errors
23:10:32Mikachucan't you add stuff to sources.list or something?
23:10:35Mikachu<- never used debian
23:10:37linuxstbTrueJournals: Why do you need a web browser in vmware? What's wrong with just using Windows?
23:10:51bluebrotherdownload the binary version of mozilla ...
23:11:04TrueJournalslinuxstb: it would be easier to download patches directly into the image instead of downloading them to windows, then using SAMBA to transfer them to VMWare
23:11:07bluebrotherdid that for testing a year ago. Worked fine
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23:11:20bluebrotheryou can always wget it
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23:11:25linuxstbTrueJournals: Can't you just download them to //debian/user ?
23:11:50linuxstbwget doesn't play well with the patch tracker.
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23:12:06Mikachuit just doesn't rename the files
23:12:10TrueJournalsI duno, never really tried... I think it'd still be easier to just do everything inside the image instead of having to switch between the image and windows...
23:12:21MikachuTrueJournals: you don't have to run the image fullscreen
23:12:28Mikachujust treat it like a window
23:12:42Mikachuiirc vmware can ungrab the mouse when you go near the edge
23:12:44bluebrotherhmm. Just tried, worked fine for me
23:12:59bluebrotheryou need to enclose the url in "
23:13:00TrueJournalsI'm not running it fullscreen.... but I don't have a very fast computer
23:13:06w1ll14m|awaymikachu: press ctrl+alt and vmware is released
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23:13:17Mikachuyeah but automatically is better :)
23:13:20linuxstbbluebrother: And what is the downloaded file called?
23:13:31amiconnThe vmware image is pretty minimalistic. If someone wants to do all rockbox development inside linux, it would be better to run a complete linux installation in a vm
23:14:02TrueJournalsI just want a "normal" web browser...
23:14:06w1ll14mamiconn: or just setup a full featured linux system
23:14:08amiconnBut such a vm image will become rather large, very hard to ship
23:14:13w1ll14mon an stand alone computer
23:14:17bluebrotherthe same way it appears on the tracker page
23:14:34amiconnw1ll14m: Perhaps, but it depends on the hardware, and what other programs you need /want to use
23:14:38Mikachubluebrother: it doesn't save with the correct filename
23:14:47bluebrotherit does for me.
23:14:49linuxstbbluebrother: I always get files called something like "index.html?getfile=13135"
23:14:50Mikachuhm
23:14:58bluebrotherMaybe it's a different version of wget
23:15:02Mikachui have 1.10.2
23:15:05w1ll14mamiconn: true i own a few computers so i dedicated on to rockbox and it's stuff :)
23:15:06Mikachui doubt they removed the feature
23:15:11*amiconn recommends curl instead of wget
23:15:16Mikachu;)
23:15:41Mikachuit just printed the file to stdout
23:15:42bluebrotherthat's my output: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/35
23:15:49amiconnw1ll14m: I also run a linux machine, but believe it or not, I prefer windows for rockbox development, in spite of cygwin being slow
23:15:50linuxstbamiconn: Can you make curl act like wget by default - i.e. save to a file instead of stdout?
23:16:19*w1ll14m seems like he dousn't know the difference between curl and wget
23:16:30w1ll14mdoesn't ;)
23:16:35Mikachuw1ll14m: don't tell Bagder that
23:16:37Bagderlinuxstb: -O (uppercase the letter o)
23:16:48w1ll14mmikachu:whahah why not >
23:16:49w1ll14m?
23:17:00MikachuBagder: that still called the file '?getfile=13135'
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23:17:18BagderMikachu: yes, since it picks the name off the rightmost part from the URL
23:17:26Bagdernot from any received headers
23:17:28Mikachuthe server sends a Content-Disposition: filename=mem_mon.patch, can you use that?
23:17:36Bagderalthough they say recent (cvs) wget does that
23:17:49Mikachuhopefully stripping any slashes first :)
23:18:05w1ll14mMikachu: it seems to have a difference in url to file handling :) and i know bagder has done much work on curl ;)
23:18:11*linuxstb upgrades to wget 1.10.2
23:18:17Mikachulinuxstb: it doesn't help :)
23:18:22Mikachu23:15:02 <Mikachu> i have 1.10.2
23:18:25bluebrotherwith curl I get a file called ?getfile=11877
23:18:32Bagderno, you need a later version than 1.10.2
23:18:43w1ll14mwith wget it's indet.html?getfile=xxxxx
23:18:52bluebrotherGNU Wget 1.10.2 (Red Hat modified) on my box
23:19:00Mikachucrazy red hat, that explains it
23:19:01w1ll14mindex*
23:19:05BagderRed Hat modified is the key there
23:19:13linuxstbIndeed.
23:19:24bluebrotherit is? Good to know.
23:19:24Mikachui almost forgot to apply my wget-penisprogress.patch
23:19:28bluebrotherat least a modification I like ;-)
23:19:30*amiconn never used wget, and only played with curl a little
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23:20:27amiconncurl -o <filename> should do the trick
23:20:31*w1ll14m just found out that his local time is 23:20 and it is sunday, he jumps away from the computer and lights his last sigaret for today and switches off his monitor
23:20:37w1ll14msleep well dudes :) cya later
23:20:41Mikachuamiconn: of course, you can just rename the file after too
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23:21:02Bagdermy main reason for letting -O remain as it is, is that it makes it predictable
23:21:15Mikachu23:21:11 (235 KB/s) - `mem_mon.patch' saved [9988/9988]
23:21:17Mikachuhooray
23:21:44mattzzgreat plugin, by the way ;-)
23:21:49bluebrotherpatched version?
23:21:55Mikachui fetched svn
23:22:01bluebrotherah :)
23:25:04bluebrothermy package seems to got installed by a recent update. Built on 10th Jan. That explains some things ...
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23:25:34Bagderwget is left with no developers during long times
23:25:41Bagderwhich makes the distros patch it a lot
23:26:22Mikachuthere is a fun mistake to make with wget, if you say wget -o filename it saves log output to filename, it's -O to specify filename :)
23:26:33Mikachu</random>
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23:34:54bluebrother1k-1 open tasks in the tracker ...
23:35:13Mikachuyeah you people suck on closing tasks :)
23:35:56bluebrotherhmm ... wasn't aware I was put into the "task closer" section of the KnowledgeMap ;-)
23:36:08Mikachui didn't mean you specifically
23:37:14Mikachuyou should be less shy about closing tasks nobody's ever going to finish
23:37:51Mikachuyou can probably close this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3031
23:38:54bluebrotherhehe ... the main issue is currently my limited time
23:39:09Mikachuthat's a task i opened, i don't think it applies anymore
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23:44:50bluebrotherBagder, is there any specific reason Jabber notifications to be disabled in FS? Would be a nice thing.
23:45:02Bagderno specific, no
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23:45:21Zagorbluebrother: it's just because I haven't set it up
23:45:58bluebrotherah, ok. Then I'll wait patiently for the day this feature gets available :)
23:47:01bluebrotherhaving a better search in FS would be more important to me
23:47:29Zagorwell that's a job at quite another level...
23:47:53Zagoryou probably want to discuss that in #flyspray instead :)
23:49:33bluebrotherhehe ... looks like they are coming closer to a new release.
23:51:24bluebrotherthe upcoming version looks quite impressive
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