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#rockbox log for 2007-01-30

00:00:00Mikachui meant the exponent, but i just realized 1*4 is also 4 ;)
00:00:29amiconnMeh, and you aren't midkay
00:00:39amiconnToo many mi... nicks ;)
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00:01:36amiconnLinusN: Btw, I'm not sure whether this causes a visible effect, but without testing we won't find out
00:02:02LinusNi guess it would make us sleep better :-)
00:02:07amiconnMMCs >1GB have block sizes of 1KB, >2GB have block sizes of 2KB
00:02:19LinusNaha
00:02:20amiconnSo the MMC driver needs to cache blocks anyway
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00:02:57amiconnThis is similar to what I suggested for the large ata sectors, but still somewhat different in that the filesystem is still based on 512-byte sectors
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00:04:36amiconnHowever, the internal flash has plain 512 byte blocks, and I think that MMCs >4GB (MMC 4.2 standard) can have 512 byte blocks as well because the block count isn't limited by the CSD format anymore
00:05:18LinusNoh
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00:05:47amiconnThe MMC protocol and CSD format (up to MMC4.1) is rather short-sighted
00:06:01LinusNwhat a surprise :-)
00:06:25amiconnIt uses byte addressing with a 32 bit address, and the block count encoding also limits it to <4GB (what a coincidence)
00:06:27***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:06:57amiconnMMC4.0 introduces and EXT_CSD, and MMC4.2 puts the block count there (don't know the format yet) and introduces block addressing
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00:07:11amiconna/and/an/
00:07:17amiconnBlargh
00:07:24*amiconn hopes you get what I mean
00:07:48Mikachui did, so most likely LinusN did too :)
00:08:18amiconnSo MMC4.2 is good for up to 2TB (with 512-byte blocks)
00:09:22*LinusN understood
00:09:49LinusNamiconn: so do you want me to rewrite the buffering logic?
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00:13:46amiconnHmm, not sure. Might be good to compare results...
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00:14:17amiconnI think that on hdd target buffering multiple sectors is always better, especially with optimised transfers
00:15:49LinusNok, i'll change the code
00:16:38amiconnI guess you need to do a similar thing with the fat sectors?
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00:17:09LinusNamiconn: the fat cache, yes
00:19:23*amiconn wonders what a typical dir size might be (in sectors)
00:19:45amiconnReading multiple sectors saves some overhead...
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00:20:31*amiconn unzips a fresh build to his Ondio FM
00:23:35tamacrackerwish there was AM radio stations on the internet
00:23:41tamacrackerakc mt
00:24:02amiconnLinusN: Umm, looks like you introduced a bug...
00:24:02Mikachuyou know internet radio is not transmitted over fm right? ;)
00:24:13LinusNamiconn: damn
00:24:20amiconnI see several filenames twice, e.g. in "Browse plugins"
00:24:26LinusNouch
00:24:53tamacrackeris that right Mikachu?
00:24:53amiconnWhen checking from the PC, they aren't doubled
00:25:13amiconnThe file system is error free
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00:25:20tamacrackerthere's this radio station on AM (610 Coast 2 Coast), would be great to have it on PC lol
00:25:24*preglow resets the bug stupidity meter and awaits
00:25:28LinusNamiconn: not good - i tested on h100 and fmrec
00:25:48 Quit ender` (" The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.")
00:26:57amiconnLinusN: To be precise, I see 3 plugins listed twice: blackjack.rock, random_folder_advance_config.rock and test_disk.rock
00:27:28LinusNouch
00:27:39LinusNit looks fine on my targets
00:28:18amiconnNo plugin is missing. 47 *.rock files, 50 listed in "Browse plugins"
00:28:28LinusNthen i guess i'd better revert that change and test some more
00:28:57twistcan i over charge my ipob battrery or will the rockbox firmware stop the chargeing when its full?
00:29:32Mikachuthe ipod has a hardware charging chip
00:29:44twistAhhh thats good
00:30:00twistI can sleep ok tonight then
00:30:24Zagorircreader now stores settings
00:30:39preglowircreader?
00:30:46Zagorhttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl
00:31:10Zagora little thing I've whipped up after having read the logs more than normally :)
00:31:15mattzzCan somebody help me with pluginlib_actions.h? I do not understand the LAST_PLUGINLIB_ACTION thing.
00:31:19preglowfancy
00:31:56preglowarbitrarily chosen colours or what?
00:31:58mattzzthe _pre thing is not working anymore to prevent repeated actions when I use pluginlib_actions.h
00:32:08Zagorpreglow: yes, randomised
00:32:50ZagorI'll play with some sort of hash to keep them persistent
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00:33:52mattzzJdGordon: can you help me with the PLA routines (your name is in the file :-P )?
00:34:08JdGordonyeah
00:34:11Mikachuthere's one in nickcolor.pl but it only has to keep track of 14 colors so it's probably not good enough
00:34:13JdGordonim half asleep tho :p
00:34:15amiconnLinusN: Hmm, found some more folders where files are listed twice :(
00:34:27LinusNamiconn: i'm reverting the commit
00:35:00mattzzJdGordon: I want to prevent repeated actions, so I save my button in button_pre but it does not work
00:35:18mattzzJdGordon: Can i use LAST_PLUGINLIB_ACTION instead?
00:35:24amiconnLinusN: I wonder what's going on there...
00:35:31LinusNamiconn: me too
00:35:56LinusNit could be bad handling of deleted files or something
00:35:57amiconnI only get this behaviour on the internal flash (which is fat16, but since this is not in the root dir I don't see why that should matter)
00:36:06JdGordonmattzz: LAST_PLA doesnt return the last value.... its just a placeholder...
00:36:09JdGordonhow me your code
00:36:13amiconn...and it happens in a whole bunch of dirs
00:36:49LinusNamiconn: in any case, i have reverted the changes, so we can debug it in peace
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00:37:02Zagorscorche: awake?
00:38:02mattzzJdGordon: mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/pub/Projects/RockboxMemoryMonitor/mem_mon.c">http://mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/pub/Projects/RockboxMemoryMonitor/mem_mon.c
00:38:28mattzzJdGordon: l. 346
00:38:37JdGordonok
00:40:29JdGordonok, whats the problem? (apart from button_curr being unintitialised :P )
00:41:57mattzzJdGordon: when I press and hold MEM_MON_MODE (=PLA_FIRE_REPEAT) the if-statement in line 348 is true. Thus the function is repeatedly entered :-/
00:42:33mattzzJdGordon: I dont understand how this can be, because button_prev should equal button_curr then.
00:42:58JdGordonwhy dont you remove the PLA_FIRE_REPEAT from MEM_MN_MODE?
00:43:40JdGordonthats odd tho
00:43:45mattzzBecause I need this "key" to switch the mode. PLA_FIRE has a different action than PLA_FIRE_REPEAT.
00:43:58JdGordonah
00:44:20mattzzwhen I print out button_prev, it is always zero ... o_O
00:44:39JdGordonwell, the only thing that looks odd is you dont set button_prev to ACTION_NONE to start with'
00:44:40mattzzbutton_curr = ox6e
00:44:48amiconnLinusN: The entries in question don't even cross sector boundaries (checked with winhex) - very puzzling...
00:45:25amiconnTwo of them are located in the same sector
00:45:57twistis there a hack to change the scoll speed on an ipod?
00:46:22mattzzJdGordon: it used to work before I switched to PLA, which is odd
00:46:40JdGordonof course :p
00:46:46JdGordonblame it on the pla... :p
00:46:58*JdGordon woke up 10min ago... so is still out of it
00:47:01twistis there an ok hack to change the scoll speed on an ipod?
00:48:16JdGordonmattzz: have you tried putting some DEBUGF() 's in to watch what happens to the button_ vairables while ts running?
00:48:28JdGordonyoull have to run it in the sim to do that tho
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00:48:59mattzzhow do I use DEBUGF()?
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00:49:57amiconnLinusN: "Show all" makes /.rockbox/rocks show some more duplicated entries, for a total of 9
00:50:18amiconn(things like brickmania.score, sudoku.ss etc)
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00:50:22JdGordonmattzz: exactly like printf... it outputs to the console in the sim
00:50:32mattzzgreat!
00:52:12twistis there an ok hack to change the scoll speed on an ipod?
00:52:21twistsorry to repeat.
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00:53:40amiconnLinusN: Very suspicious: All these 9 entries are located within one sector pair. I mean, *all* entries of this sector pair are shown twice
00:53:46amiconn(but deleted entries aren't shown)
00:54:01LinusNvery interesting
00:57:16mattzzJdGordon: OK, I found the reason. Can I use pluginlib_getaction in a blocking way?
00:57:37JdGordonyes, one of the params whould be a timeout
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00:57:55JdGordonuse TIMEOUT_BLOCK
00:59:17mattzzJdGordon: yup, works like a charm! Thanks very much for debugging my code!
00:59:28JdGordon:) no problem
00:59:50JdGordonjust a note.. you have to change the tabs to 4 spaces or it wont get commited :p
01:00
01:00:13JdGordon.... rb coding guidlines
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01:00:20mattzzJdGordon: good hint, I will untabbify my source code immediately!
01:00:25amiconnLinusN: Same in another dir: all entries within one sector pair are shown twice - even those which don't have longname entries
01:01:30amiconnLinusN: Maybe the end check is wrong if the dir spans an odd number of sectors?
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01:03:27amiconnNah, can't be, this dir is 4 sectors long
01:03:38amiconn(it's /.rockbox in case that matters)
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01:04:23amiconnBut the duplicated entries are in the last pair
01:04:26safetydanhrm... stkov dircache
01:04:39preglowsafetydan: people seem to be getting that somewhat often of late
01:04:55safetydanwith the latest build too
01:05:08safetydanlooks like I picked a bad time to upgrade since I also have the one before LinusN's revert
01:05:15*safetydan hunts for a paperclip
01:05:30LinusNamiconn: that's a clue
01:06:43safetydanoh goody, now I can't boot without getting stkov. Time to turn off dircache
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01:08:32Zagorcolours are now "hashed" (rgb = the lowest four bits of first, last and middle char)
01:08:47midkayamiconn: what exactly is the xlcd lib? grayscale framework only? i get a data abort when i try to use it on my color target (iPod 5G)
01:08:49Zagorseems to work fairly ok
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01:09:15amiconnmidkay: No, xlcd are extended lcd functions for the standard driver
01:09:26LinusNok, i'll sleep on this
01:09:28LinusNnite all
01:09:31preglownite
01:09:40midkayhrm. xlcd_filltriangle crashes rockbox.
01:09:44amiconn(scrolling and filled triangles)
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01:10:04amiconnmidkay: Does cube.rock crash on the G5?
01:10:15midkaynot last i checked.
01:10:28midkaynope.
01:10:31amiconnThen I guess you're doing sth wrong
01:10:49amiconnDo you call xlcd_init() before using xlcd_* functions?
01:10:57midkayoops. :)
01:11:22preglowsomeone should make a torus.rock, complete with gourad and phake phong shading :)
01:11:24midkayi guess i should just call that when the plugin initializes, right?
01:11:26preglowthat would rock
01:11:37preglowphake/fake...
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01:17:18amiconnphake was phun ;)
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01:19:23midkayamiconn: ok, it works. thanks.
01:19:44midkayunfortunately not really a good solution..
01:20:33*preglow out
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01:29:53markunpreglow: someone just did some measurement.. the Gigabeat draws about the same current at 100MHz as 300MHz!!
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01:33:09amiconnmarkun: With 100% load in both cases?
01:33:14amiconn(i.e. no sleep() )
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01:38:05markunamiconn: yes, running the plasma plugin
01:38:26markunor would the mpegplayer without limit be better?
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02:18:56webguest10I have a Gigabeat F60 with the 20070128 build w/album art patch. I've noticed that with this build I get serious noise/distortion when enabling the eq. Has anyone else seen this?
02:20:41linuxstbDo you get the same problem with an official (unpatched) build?
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02:21:37XavierGrlinuxstb: how's the default wps patch and compressed wps patch going?
02:21:50webguest10i'll try
02:22:13Lloreanwebguest10: Make sure you're using the preamp properly, to lower the gain an equal amount to the highest raised band.
02:23:51linuxstbXavierGr: Nothing more than what's on the patch tracker. I would like to remove the limitation concerning file ordering in the tar file though.
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02:30:17barrywardelllinuxstb, amiconn: i have a possibility for detecting the difference between power brick and computer on ipods...check UOG_OTGSC bit 9
02:30:24barrywardellit works on my h10 at least
02:30:41XavierGrlinuxstb: any commit plans?
02:31:18JdGordonbarrywardell: oohh... I can test on the nano if you want
02:32:14barrywardellJdGordon: yes, sure. go ahead. the mem_mon plugin in the tracker might be of use...address 0xc50001a4
02:32:36barrywardellor just use the UOG_OTGSC define in usb-target.h
02:32:37webguest10Llorean, Linuxstb: I can reproduce the symptoms with the latest official build. I'm playing a song, nav to simply turn the eq on, and bamm noise/distortion.
02:32:59JdGordon:( i was hopeing for just a patch to compile and dump on to test...
02:33:05Lloreanwebguest10: And you have EQ settings that shouldn't cause distortion set?
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02:33:38LloreanOuch
02:33:45webguest10I would say yes only because, since I had to switch the battery off, everything is set to default.
02:33:49LloreanI don't get "distortion", so much as "Noises inducing physical pain"
02:33:57barrywardellJdGordon: FS #6586
02:34:06LloreanSwitching the battery off doesn't reset Rockbox's settings, since they're a file on disk
02:34:18Lloreanlinuxstb_: There's *definitely* an EQ problem here.
02:34:18webguest10lol, I'm just glad I'm not the only one.
02:34:39Lloreanlinuxstb_: LS only, it seems
02:34:43webguest10yeah, I forgot that was implemented. but no, it's flat.
02:34:45barrywardellJdGordon: compile that plugin, then navigate to the address i mentioned
02:35:08JdGordonok, waiting for my ~ to finish backing up.. then i can do it
02:35:28Lloreanlinuxstb_: Scratch that, for some reason adjusting bands other than the LS don't update when you adjust them. =/
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02:35:37LloreanThe EQ is just very problematic it seems.
02:36:07JdGordon.. the patch doesnt patch SOURCES! :'(
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02:36:40barrywardellJdGordon: you can hang on a sec and i'll have a nice build for you ;)
02:37:03JdGordondw, its building...
02:37:15webguest10well, my job is done. the right people know about the problem. let me know if there's something I can do. thnx
02:37:41Lloreanwebguest10: You should still file a proper bug report.
02:37:54JdGordondoesnt it say something about this not being the place to file bug reports in the title?
02:38:02LloreanThere's no guarantee word will get to someone who can fix it, but bug reports actually stay around.
02:38:20LloreanJdGordon: Only did for about 5 minutes.
02:38:25JdGordonoh ok
02:38:34JdGordonits too long so its off the window :p
02:38:39webguest10will do. I wanted to post here in case others already knew about it and just didn't file the bug report.
02:39:05Lloreanwebguest10: For every bug, there should be a bug report if it's definitely a bug.
02:40:48scorcheJdGordon: no...that was voted off
02:42:19JdGordonbarrywardell: ok, im at the memory locatino.... what am i checking?
02:42:56JdGordongrr! it doesnt ignore the usb connectino
02:43:21barrywardellit should be 0031... with nothing connected
02:43:31barrywardell002D with computer
02:43:39barrywardell002F with power brick
02:44:14barrywardellJdGordon: I have a patch for the usb driver you can just test instead if you want?
02:44:33JdGordonthat would be better :)
02:44:48webguest10Llorean: I read that you recently acquired a Gigabeat. Are you able to reproduce the symptoms on other platforms?
02:45:08barrywardellJdGordon: barrywardell.net/assets/files/ipod-charger.patch">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/ipod-charger.patch
02:45:28barrywardellsee if it ignores the power brick connection, but still detects real usb connection
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02:46:10Lloreanwebguest10: I'll go try
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02:49:52JdGordonbarrywardell: nup, its ignoring the computer connection
02:49:55Lloreanwebguest10: Works fine on my H120
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02:51:38webguest10Llorean: cool, I just say it's GB specific and that it wasn't produced on an H120.
02:52:03barrywardellJdGordon: It is? that's disappointing. It works perfectly on my H10. I'm even using an ipod power brick with it!
02:53:04JdGordonthat mem_ pluging doesnt update the screen enough
02:54:07JdGordonwith nothing plugged its 00113d5f with the brick its 000d3d5f and usb is the same
02:55:17webguest10good evening to all
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03:01:32barrywardellJdGordon: hmmm. with those values it shouldn't ignore either the brick or usb
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03:02:01JdGordonbtw.... there was 0's after the f's but i got lazy
03:02:23barrywardellwhat you wrote is all that's relevant
03:02:47JdGordon:)
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03:06:13barrywardellJdGordon: i don't see why it's ignoring the connections. it should only do so if you get something like 000f3d5f. the middle f is the important one (ie. bit 9)
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03:07:09JdGordonthat was with the patched usb-pp.c also
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03:09:18barrywardelli wonder if it works on any of the ipods.
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03:18:01safetydanman the eq is stuffed
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03:18:17safetydanany deviation from flat and the music starts skipping
03:19:42safetydanbut wait, now it works fine
03:19:45safetydanweird
03:22:11Lloreansafetydan: The EQ is really stuffed on Gigabeat right now
03:22:49safetydanthis was on a h120
03:23:38LloreanIt worked fine on my H120 with the most recent SVN build
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03:24:19safetydanI'm using the one before the latest (i.e. the one before the fat.c revert)
03:24:27safetydanno wait, it is the latest now
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03:25:20LloreanI dunno. I had no problems with it, though I didn't do prolonged testing
03:25:22safetydanbah now I can't reproduce it
03:25:49LloreanSince the EQ was majorly stuffed the instant you moved the LS on the Gigabeat, I just tested the LS and a middle band for a few seconds, then said "Okay, it doesn't have the problem my gigabeat does."
03:26:42safetydanThat was basically the problem I had. I enabled the EQ, tweaked the LS down 0.5 dB and the music started skipping. Set it to 0 dB skipping stops.
03:26:53safetydanMight be something the graphical screen is doing funny
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03:28:00LloreanWhen I tweaked it, it wasn't skipping so much as ear destroying shrieking.
03:28:07safetydanvery strange that I can't repeat it now
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03:28:26LloreanThough it did *involve* skipping, and some of the original audio.
03:28:34LloreanThere was just a lot of other stuff too. Bad stuff.
03:29:11safetydanIt sounds like it *might* be the same bug but with slightly different symptoms on different targets.
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03:30:12LloreanThat's kinda what I'm thinking too.
03:32:08safetydandsp.c and eq.c haven't changed in weeks so it's not something there
03:33:40safetydanI wonder if a builder before January 26 would work. That was the last time playback.c changed, though the comment says "no functional changes"
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03:35:05Soap12120?
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03:36:37safetydanSoap, actually the one before that
03:36:51safetydanwell, I mean, the last build that didn't include the changes from 12120
03:38:23Soappoop. ;) 12120 broke kernel on COP #6, and kernel on COP #7 + 12120 = bad mojo all around - so not knowing if KoCOP#7 or 12120 is the bad boy...
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03:39:32SoapI guess, If your problems are related to 12120, and KoCOP#7 is a clean sync...then all fingers point to 12120 inadventantly doing more than "code police and comment cleanup"
03:41:10safetydanWell it's just a guess at the moment. Needs someone with a gigabeat to check if the eq problems were there before 12120
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04:26:42Nimdaehttp://www.woot.com/
04:26:43Nimdaevery nice
04:26:54Nimdaewish i didn't blow $200 in bossier city last weekend :(
04:28:43orangehow well supported is it?
04:28:45orangein rockbox, I mean
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04:44:08Doomed_9Nimdae i bought one hahah
04:44:17Doomed_9i want to be able to rockbox it but i cant code :(
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04:47:15webguest96hi. I have a 5.5g 30gb ipod video. How can I boot into the regular firmware?
04:48:58fasmaiehold select + play until it reboots, then before the apple comes up, put the hold on
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05:31:14Terinjokesanyone here have a 2GB iPod Nano firmware backup (mine got corrupted...)
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06:03:06Terinjokesso no one is going to help out a fellow rockboxer...
06:03:42fasmaiewhat do you need?
06:04:20scorcheTerinjokes: no need to put people on a guilt trip...
06:04:31fasmaie:)
06:04:53Terinjokesno, i my ears hurt from the lack of music :P
06:05:38Terinjokesand its not like I didn't ask #kde and #ipodlinux as well
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06:58:56ashesi'd like my iriver to emulate a smart card
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06:59:58perplexityand I'd like mine to have a wifi interface, does not mean it's gonna happen tho ;)
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09:27:32GodEaterliking the new irc log reader
09:27:59Bagderme too
09:28:34peturwow... nice
09:30:54peturone nick color is not so readable (the flashy green)
09:35:01markunDoomed_9: you bought a Gigabeat S?
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09:46:44*Bagder removed DaurnImator from twiki now
09:46:58daurnimatoro.o
09:47:14MikachuJdGordon: something like this is already in svn right? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4929
09:47:23markunBagder: there is something wrong with the location of this wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatPortPins
09:47:27GodEaterif you're twiki'ing - how do you feel about fixing my associated email address Bagder? So I can reset my password ?
09:47:49markunit says "Main/" instead of "Main" in the patch
09:47:51markunpath
09:48:08Bagderoh
09:48:22JdGordonMikachu: ah that.. no that patch was to actually get plgins using the lib stuff.. it probably stilll would work
09:48:39MikachuJdGordon: hm okay
09:48:44JdGordonhey daurnimator,you dont hav any laptop ddr or hard disks your trying to ge rd off do you?
09:48:46daurnimatorBagder: uncalled for! :S
09:48:58JdGordonfark this keyboard is horrible :p
09:48:58Bagdernot at all
09:49:02GodEaterdoes LinusN's work from last night require FS #6549 to be commited as well ?
09:49:05daurnimatorwhat size hdd
09:49:07Bagderdaurnimator: brought up here several times already
09:49:26JdGordondaurn: laptop. 2.5"
09:49:43daurnimatorsorry, the 1 i have is... in my laptop
09:49:52JdGordonmeany
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09:51:38daurnimatorBagder: i have had that nick on the wiki for ages :S
09:51:43BagderI know
09:51:52daurnimatorand no one has complained before (at least to me)
09:51:53Bagderbut you've violated the rules for ages as well
09:52:13JdGordonwe have an age rule on the wiki?
09:52:19Bagderhaha
09:52:34Bagderages as in during a long time
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09:55:33decayedcellcouple of questions about plugindoom - is there a way to exit it to rockbox, also, on the 4g grayscale ipod, is it possible to adjust contrast
09:56:40GodEaterhmm, how long does twiki take to send out the reset password email usually ?
09:56:43Mikachujust pick quit in the menu
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09:57:35decayedcellMikachu: okay, i'll do that. But the screen is too dark to find the menu lol
09:58:08preglownow what's this about the eq messing up on gigabeat
09:58:49pondlifeBagder: Nice IRC log layout on the website
09:59:05Bagderyeps, that's Zagor's new script
09:59:16safetydanpreglow, it messed up on my h120 as well, but I can't reproduce that unfortunately
09:59:53pondlifeOK, then shall I tell Zagor that the font size options don't work here (on a very bog-standard IE6/Win2K box)
09:59:56pondlife:)
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10:00:04preglowwell, weird
10:00:10Bagderhehe
10:00:11preglowat least it can't be my fault
10:00:12preglowi haven'
10:00:22preglowi haven't touched the eq code for yonks
10:00:37pondlifeFYI - 'fontStyle' is null or not an object
10:00:46Bagderone yonk being 3.14 months, right?
10:00:47safetydanpreglow, I don't think it's anything in dsp.c or eq.c. At the moment my guess is that commit 12120 wasn't as innocent as it seemed
10:00:48Mikachuit works fine in firefox
10:01:02markunanyone against removing the Chicago font?
10:01:08Bagdermarkun: kill it
10:01:19preglowBagder: yep
10:01:41preglowseems i miscounted then, i haven't touched it for yonk :)
10:01:48Bagderhahaha
10:02:02safetydanif someone could try eq on gigabeat with revision 12119 of rockbox that'd be great
10:02:04preglowbAGHARG
10:02:29preglowwindows that steal focus, why the HELL did they have to port that behaviour over to anything else than windows too
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10:05:17markunBagder: do you remember which font nimbus was based on?
10:05:31markunThe commit log says: Antonius Hellman (patch #1228206)
10:05:46Bagderno, I don't remember that
10:06:04markundo you still have access to the old patch tracker?
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10:06:57markunah, xtal..
10:07:05markunshall I remove that one as well then?
10:07:21bluebrothernice new irc log view :)
10:07:25Bagderif the license is bad or unclear, then I say yes
10:07:35Bagderbut also since they're very limited character-wise
10:07:40markunyes
10:08:05preglowoh lord
10:08:08preglowsomeone needs to shoot me
10:08:24JdGordonmarkun: while your at it, you may as well remove hat giant font which is broken
10:08:26*petur aims
10:08:31*JdGordon cant remeber its name
10:08:38bluebrotherare the text files still available for downloading?
10:09:08safetydanpreglow, ?
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10:09:59JdGordon_yeah, the biggest one
10:10:13JdGordon_6hbo
10:10:31bluebrotherhow about adding a link to the plain file in the irc log reader?
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10:11:29preglowsafetydan: just me being an idiot programmer, nothing rockbox based though
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10:13:02markunBagder: do you know why the "since Aug 1st 2006" link for the commit log is broken?
10:13:13*Bagder checks
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10:14:36Bagderfixed
10:15:57markunpreglow: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8534.0
10:17:55preglowmarkun: as a matter of fact, i know the eq can make a high-pitched sound
10:18:11preglowat least it did, but i've added another couple of bits of precision to the filters in question since then
10:18:53preglowthe low-shelf filter being the culprit
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10:19:54preglowah, yes, but this is a late issue
10:22:24kclaf(fn'preglow): markun: as a matter of fact, i know the eq can make a high-pitched sound −−> I think I had that issue
10:22:37Lloreanpreglow: Similar things happen on the Gigabeat (LS, but if you turn on any other band, turn on the LS, turn off the LS, there's still some strangeness)
10:22:53kclafwhen setting up the EQ on my ipod 5G, I had some strange sounds
10:23:07Lloreanpreglow: But the H100 series don't seem to be suffering from this, so it may be ARM specific (though safetydan experienced some skipping, but no high pitch screeching)?
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10:24:36preglowLlorean: if you turn off any band, that band will no longer process, so that sounds weird
10:25:49preglowanywho, arm actually has more precision than coldfire so should have fewer issues with sound, granted that the internal accumulators actually don't overflow
10:25:55preglowwhich might be possible, after all
10:26:11preglowthat coldfire will handle gracefully
10:26:34safetydanwhat I had was basically skipping with the gaps filled with silence
10:26:41safetydanalmost like the CPU wasn't keeping it
10:26:42Lloreanpreglow: Yeah, but if I turn on LS, turn on one of the peaks, turn off LS, the problem reduces but does not go away. If I turn on a peak alone, on the gigabeat at least, it doesn't seem to do much at all.
10:26:45safetydankeeping up even
10:27:33preglowLlorean: well, weird, it should really behave the same
10:27:36preglowafter all, it's an arm
10:27:46safetydanLlorean, any chance you could try a build with revision 12119 on your gigabeat?
10:28:02preglowand to be honest, i'll be quite surprised if this is a problem with the eq code itself
10:28:07preglowbrb
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10:33:07Lloreansafetydan: Give me a couple minutes
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10:34:12Lloreanpreglow: It's possible you should ignore that. I can't reproduce anything but the LS being really painful now
10:34:49preglowpainful?
10:35:13LloreanIn the latest CVS, if you enable the LS at all on the Gigabeat you get some painful noise.
10:35:37LloreanLike a very loud... almost like it's buzzing or clipping
10:35:47preglowis the sound recognizable at all?
10:35:56LloreanYes
10:36:09LloreanEr, no
10:36:21preglowas in, can you detect some of the original music/sound in it?
10:36:24LloreanWait, yes it definitely is, but the noise is so loud it's very hard to hear, relative to it.
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10:36:40preglowhrm
10:36:45LloreanThe buzzing constantly increases in pitch.
10:37:20preglowwell, it really is quite improbable that the eq routines work on other arms, but not gigabeat, so i'd count on something messing up the filter history/coefs or something for now
10:39:28Lloreanpreglow: well http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8534.0 is another ARM
10:40:23Lloreansafetydan: How can I revert to a specific revision with SVN?
10:40:29preglowwell, in the case it bugs out on all arms, the eq code still hasn't changed for months
10:40:33safetydanLlorean, svn update -r 12119
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10:40:55Lloreansafetydan: Update... okay. I was trying to guess which command it was.
10:40:59Lloreanpreglow: Gotcha
10:41:20amiconnLinusN: Thinking a bit more about your reverted approach, I found that there is a fundamental problem with always reading sectors in pairs.
10:41:42LinusNamiconn: i have been thinking aboiut that too
10:41:47preglowand the last time i updated the eq, i made sure to scan the entire parameter range to make sure overflowing should not occur
10:41:53amiconnOn volumes with single-sector clusters, directories with an odd number of sectors would need special handling
10:42:02LinusNamiconn: exactly
10:42:15LinusNand it sucks! :-)
10:42:21safetydanpreglow, I think I have an idea of what's going on. What would happen if the default cutoff value for the low-shelf was 0?
10:42:28preglowsafetydan: something bad
10:42:42safetydanwell guess what the default is after JdGordon's settings update? :)
10:42:48preglowhashahah
10:43:02preglowthe filters don't handle 0 as a cutoff at all
10:43:08preglowit's not a value you should ever pass
10:43:24*amiconn thinks that with sector caching in ata.c, there would already be a working rockbox on G5.5/80
10:43:26LloreanAlright, I'll skip copying 12119 to my player for now then
10:43:37safetydanLlorean, probably. Sorry about the wild goose chase
10:43:56Lloreansafetydan: Nah, it's always worth testing something if it needs testing. That's why I've got all these varying players. :)
10:43:59LinusNamiconn: yes, but i think sector caching is the wrong way to solve this
10:44:22amiconnI'm still not convinced. fat.c seems to be more complex than it looks
10:44:42amiconnI agree that this 3-sector memcpy()ing buffer is ugly though
10:45:38LinusNi think sector caching would solve the issues with the complex ata.c by adding more complexity
10:46:33safetydanwoo, I have commit access
10:46:52*Llorean cheers
10:47:12*LinusN pheers
10:47:13safetydanI wasn't sure if Bagder allowed me back in after the mailing list debacle :)
10:48:05Bagder:-)
10:49:50amiconnbooh, someone removed my xtal-14 :(
10:50:08*LinusN makes his evil chuckle
10:51:09amiconnmarkun: Are you sure xtal-14 has a proper replacement? I made xtal-14 for exactly one purpose: I need a 14px font
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10:52:22amiconn...because 14px is ideal for 4 lines on the archos lcd with status bar enabled
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10:57:02XavierGrsafetydan: ml debacle?
10:57:30safetydansafetydan, I replied to the list rather than privately to Bagder with my wanted svn login details
10:57:44XavierGrah yeah I remember that :P
10:57:49LloreanHe takes the 'open' part of 'open-source' very seriously.
10:57:54XavierGrROFL
10:57:59safetydanha
10:58:09XavierGrit was hilarious I must say, it made my day ;)
10:58:25XavierGrbut these sort of things can happen
10:58:35XavierGrthe power of a habbit
10:58:46Mikachucursed habbitses
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11:00:04*Llorean rolls a new Gigabeat build to try out the fix
11:00:11*XavierGr goes to try and commit with safetydan's previously-confessed-in-ml password! :P
11:00:49safetydanluckily it was randomly generated so not important
11:00:53*safetydan hugs pwgen
11:01:05XavierGrhmm I must try one of these
11:01:15XavierGrtoo many passwords to handle these days
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11:03:53XavierGrit seems that there are 2 pwgen projects
11:04:19XavierGran open-source and a commercial one
11:04:41safetydanXavierGr, I just use the one that apt-get install pwgen gives me
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11:05:30XavierGrsafetydan: I am in Windows ;P
11:05:37XavierGrno golden apt-get here
11:05:43preglowthere is a need for a commercial pwgen????
11:05:45*Genre9mp3 enjoys the new irc log reader atm :)
11:06:21preglowhrm
11:06:39Mikachuthe commercial one seems to also be a manager
11:06:39Genre9mp3I use my mind for pswd generation :P
11:06:39*preglow wonders how fixed point works with exponentiation
11:06:43preglowwould anyone happen to know?
11:07:10preglowdoing 10^(fixedpointnumber) will yield a very, very large number
11:07:46Mikachudon't you have to write a 10_exp_fixedpoint() first?
11:08:14preglowthat's what i'm wondering
11:08:25*petur stores all his stuff in tombo - there's both a windows and pocketpc version and it uses blowfish
11:08:33Mikachuit was my understanding that most fp operations needed specially written functions
11:08:39Lloreansafetydan: The only problem being that changing the defaults doesn't help much since settings don't reset any more.
11:08:45preglowMikachu: most arithmetic just uses the regular operators
11:09:12preglowLlorean: no, we'll need people to reset
11:09:13amiconnHmm, this new irc log reader has too much colour for my taste...
11:09:18Lloreanpreglow: I already told them to on the forums.
11:09:24preglowamiconn: the colour helps me to see what i want, really
11:09:30amiconnAre the plain text logs still available for download somewhere
11:09:52LloreanWell, current.txt is at least.
11:09:57preglowLlorean: did a new default help before, though? it wouldn't reset then either, unless you bumped the version
11:09:58LloreanI think the plain logs *need* to be available though
11:10:00Bagderamiconn: they're still present like before I believe, just there are no links atm
11:10:06amiconnpreglow: It looks like xchat - every nick has its own colour. One reason why I don't like xchat
11:10:09safetydanLlorean, ah, that is a bit of a problem
11:10:13LinusNamiconn: how big is your fat16 partition?
11:10:17preglowxchat is crap
11:10:22Bagderamiconn: xchat doesn't _have to_ do that you know
11:10:26Mikachusurely that function is optional in xchat
11:10:34BagderI disabled it a long time ago
11:10:38LinusNi like xchat, and i use coloured nicks
11:10:41preglowand i just use good, good irssi
11:10:44amiconnBagder: Yes, true, but xchat doesn't allow to use colours the way I would want them
11:10:47Lloreanpreglow: That's true. Being a slight bastard, I would've bumped the version to force a reset if I felt I couldn't depend on users to do it.
11:11:00amiconnHydrairc does, though
11:11:12preglowwell, we'll just have to be more careful with the default settings from now on
11:11:13BagderI don't like colored nicks at all
11:11:25amiconnLinusN: It's just the internal flash of the Ondio, i.e. ~122MB ("128MB")
11:11:30preglowi like having them coloured when someone speaks to me, and that's pretty much that
11:11:34preglowfound it neat in the reader, though
11:11:38Bagderyeah, that's what I use too
11:11:40LinusNamiconn: can i have a binary dump for testing?
11:11:54amiconnHmm, not now
11:11:59LinusNok
11:12:07amiconnI could make a dump, but I'd need a place to upload it
11:12:17LloreanI see our colored logs have left me with a nice, vibrant magenta. Joy.
11:12:24Bagderhehe
11:12:30Bagdertime to change nick! ;-)
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11:12:38preglowLlorean: well, by way of having chosen that nick, you asked for it!
11:12:39Paul_the_NerdHah, I came prepared
11:13:03scorchelooks nice
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11:13:32Mikachuconfusing that the script doesn't show nick changes
11:14:02scorchei dont have a color..
11:14:38preglowyou asked for it too!
11:14:43*amiconn would like if the reader were configurable
11:14:53Bagderamiconn: it is somewhat
11:15:11Lloreanscorche: I think you're a very dark purplish.
11:15:12Bagderand could be made even more if you just whine on Zagor ;-)
11:16:29Bagder.nick_scorche { color: #325 }
11:16:34*amiconn likes the colouring scheme of hydra: black for normal nicks & text, dark green for joins, dark red for quits/parts, violet for actions
11:16:35Bagder:-)
11:16:45preglowwhite background????
11:16:49amiconnAnd then I have some personal highlights
11:16:56amiconnpreglow: Yes of course
11:17:04*preglow vomits
11:17:43Mikachublack with white text if user agent is linux :)
11:18:26Genre9mp3preglow: What's wrong with white background?
11:18:38preglownothing wrong per se, it's just that i'd never use it
11:18:38preglowhehe
11:18:52preglowi prefer black backgrounds for text based stuff
11:18:56preglownicer and easier on the eyes
11:19:20*amiconn has quite the opposite impression
11:19:33amiconnWhite text on black causes quite some eyestrain
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11:20:03GodEaterLlorean: I'd rather be magenta than turd brown =/
11:20:27*scorche sides with preglow
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11:21:05preglowi've been using black backgrounds for console stuff for ages now and still don't need glasses, so i'll just go for me being right :P
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11:21:12Mikachuit's a good thing we can all choose for ourselves then!!
11:22:11XavierGrbagder, preglow: then I guess that you won't like this much at all:
11:22:13XavierGrhttp://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mircek0.png
11:22:28preglowghah!
11:22:37Mikachufor so many reasons
11:22:38XavierGrmy special little script to already read what the big ones have to say :P
11:22:42*LinusN throws up
11:22:47preglowand mirc too!
11:22:54peturyuck
11:22:57XavierGrlol
11:23:01*Bagder faints
11:23:03Genre9mp3mirc is cool
11:23:20XavierGrit is the most comfortable thing I've done to read all those logs
11:23:38XavierGrnow I can skip all the chit-chat and watch carefully on real dev discussion
11:23:48preglowhaha
11:23:58preglowno chit-chat from me, no siree
11:24:06preglowcoffeecoffeecoffee
11:24:16Genre9mp3XavierGr: So, am I one of the "big ones" ??? :P
11:24:42XavierGrI just press page down repeteadly and stop when I see one of my favorite highlighted nicks :P
11:24:57XavierGrGenre9mp3: you are not on the big ones, you are on the familiar ones hehe
11:25:48preglowthat screenshot really does give me an impression of the number of people in here, though
11:25:51Genre9mp3XavierGr: your IRC client makes people sick though... we have already one vomit and one faint
11:26:00markunamiconn: I just checked and xtal was in fact replaced by nimbus-14, not nedore..
11:27:34XavierGrGenre9mp3: well at least I am not alone in using it :P
11:27:57kclafhmmm −−- this is a bigone test −−- please ignore −−-
11:28:19XavierGrkclaf: there is the #test channel for these kind of stuff :)
11:28:27kclaf;D
11:29:00kclafi mean that was a test for your script, I'm waiting for the screenshot
11:29:16kclafbut well, let me stop acting stupid ;)
11:29:28Bagderpermission granted
11:32:18*sneakums forces his browser to use light on dark with generally pleasing results
11:34:26*markun does the same for his pdf viewer
11:34:58sneakumsi direly need evince to be able to do that
11:36:17sneakumswhen i had os x on this machine i'd run it now and then with the accessibility setting that turns the screen greyscale
11:36:21sneakumsvery restful
11:37:45markunamiconn: I also would like to remove atadore because that one is in fact replaced by nedore. Any objections?
11:38:42markunand I think I could remove rockfont-8 as well (replaced by namil)
11:38:56Lloreandecayedcell: I wasn't "flaming" w1ll14m's patch. I was pointing out that it isn't appropriate for that thread.
11:39:02amiconnI always use rockfont-8 and xtal-14
11:39:17amiconnI don't think anything replaces rockfont-8
11:39:20LloreanWhether he's just trying to help out or not, trying to fix the frequency scaling freeze is *different* from trying to reduce playback skips.
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11:40:17markunamiconn: you think the changes in namil make it look worse?
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11:41:07markunaha, rockbfont-8 is fixed width and namil isn't, right?
11:41:18amiconnNo, rockfont-8 is proportional
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11:43:19amiconnnamil-8 squeezes the letters horizontally. Too much for my taste
11:44:32markunyes, for mine too
11:44:49amiconnNimbus-14 instead of xtal-14 looks ok
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11:45:27markunamiconn: some glyphs in namil (like 'i') are completely different from rockfont
11:51:17markunamiconn: and I think the 'a' in the nedore fonts is wrong, looks much better in the atadore fonts
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12:00:08gookBagder: thanks for committing nimbus-19. BTW: since the font activities are going on I'd like to point to the FS task 5982 which seems to fix something in nimbus-12 and nimbus-14. I haven't tried it though.
12:00:15tucozmarkun: if you are going to remove fonts, will you change the wps's that uses those fonts as well then?
12:00:51tucozif there are any, that is
12:01:27amiconnLinusN: ping...
12:02:11markuntucoz: good point
12:02:13gook markun: FS task 5982 might also be for you
12:02:14LloreanOn an unrelated note to everything, January '07 is now officially the month of the most forum registrations to date. Take that how you will.
12:02:50markungook: thanks, I'll check it out (later)
12:03:32tucozLlorean: how many registrations so far?
12:04:47Lloreantucoz: 772 new members this month.
12:05:37tucozwow. rockbox is really starting to gather up a crowd of (potential) users
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12:06:23LloreanWell, the Sansa thread has nearly twice as many views as the next one down. I do wish it'd show me "views this month" though, the stats are kinda neat.
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12:35:38decayedcellLlorean okay point taken, btw i like the new IRC log thing
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12:38:56JdGordon_Bagder: should the UsingSVN page on the wiki really be UsingSubversion ? (i thought svn was an abrev and subversion is its actual name)
12:39:18Bagderperhaps, but renaming pages all the time is not good
12:39:46Bagderand UsingSubversion has been used for a long time for another purpose
12:40:26LloreanNot to mention, svn is the command that most users thing of at the console.
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12:40:38LloreanSo it's clear enough what the page is for
12:41:06BagderCVS is also an abbrevation
12:41:08Bagder:-)
12:41:13LloreanYup
12:41:37Soapthe only confusion I can see it causing is "apt-get install svn"
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12:42:10LloreanI think anyone trying to apt-get hopefully can figure it out, and anywhere our guides might suggest it should say "apg-get install subversion" anyway.
12:42:13Mikachuif someone wants to use svn they should be able to think a little bit for themselves
12:42:14LloreanAssuming they even do
12:43:37Soapoh - I wasn't trying to suggest that momentary confusion was a deal breaker - far from it.
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12:44:38Soapbesides, look how far confusion has gotten many politicians. ;)
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12:45:27LloreanHonestly, I'm surprised nobody has yet asked where the daily builds went.
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12:46:09webguest21in respect to the daily/current builds actually... i am having a really hard time using them, and have been since earlier this month... they simply don't load for me
12:46:22webguest21since january 12 actually
12:46:41Lloreanwebguest21: "Don't load" as in what exactly? You haven't given us a target, or exactly what they DO do.
12:46:49webguest21ipod color
12:46:56webguest21will not load
12:46:59webguest21the firmware
12:47:08Genre9mp3JdGordon: I wanted to ask you... have you abandoned the timetable plugin?
12:47:22Soapdoes mikeage's unsupported no-scaling build load for you webguest21?
12:47:24webguest21I am unsure how else to describe it other than the firmware simply not loading
12:47:30JdGordonfor the time being.... semester starts again in 4 weeks so i might take it up again... why?
12:47:32webguest21it does...
12:47:50webguest21im just wondering why current builds don't work
12:47:55webguest21they used to
12:47:57Genre9mp3I recently tested it on my H300 but saving doesn't seem to work
12:48:01Lloreanwebguest21: They didn't work well.
12:48:04LloreanIt's still the same problem.
12:48:07webguest21true
12:48:07LloreanIt's just more apparent now.
12:48:08JdGordonGenre9mp3: the reason i dumped it ws because I was too lazy to redo the drawing so it worked on the lcd remote
12:48:33webguest21oh ok, I was just mostly looking for confimation
12:48:45Soapwebguest21: which bootloader are you using? black text on light blue background or white text on black background?
12:48:55Genre9mp3JdGordon: I'm not able to save a .tt file though so I can't actually use it
12:49:10webguest21I believe white on black
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12:49:15JdGordonhmm ok
12:49:21webguest21as in text and bg respectively
12:49:27Genre9mp3and I don't know the format of a .tt file to see if it can read it at least
12:49:41webguest21i've been having funky results, that's why im somewhat unsure
12:49:45Genre9mp3so I can edit it on PC and just use that
12:50:00webguest21right now its white text on a black background though
12:50:02Soapjust curious webguest21, I don't have an answer based on bootloader, just trying to collect all the information I can.
12:50:15webguest21no problem
12:50:39LloreanIt's most likely just the frequency scaling problem.
12:50:42webguest21no rush at all; i'm curious as well
12:50:45webguest21yeah
12:50:48webguest21seems to be
12:50:56decayedcellwebguest21 - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095
12:51:04webguest21oh well, i'll just stick with the no scaling then
12:51:16decayedcellthat should work too
12:51:21Soapyea, Llorean, it is just that the number of people with failure-to-boot seems to be increasing.
12:52:04decayedcellSoap is this the original firmware or rockbox or both?
12:52:06webguest21I'll give it a shot; I want to learn compiling, so I can make my own builds; in time.. when midterms are over
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12:52:28LloreanSoap: Yes, but that doesn't mean that there's a new problem, just that the problem is more frustrating now.
12:52:33decayedcellwebguest21 its pretty easy when you get the hang of it, cygwin is good to start with on windows
12:52:53SoapI know that Llorean, just collecting information, not drawing conclusions.
12:53:06webguest21sure, and there's pretty solid instructions on the wiki isn't there?
12:53:34webguest21I've tried it once, but I just didn't quite have the time to get it going
12:53:48*Soap does not understand the attraction to cygwin. VMWare and CoLinux are so much faster and easier. VMWare being the easiest.
12:53:49decayedcellwebguest21 if they're not solid enough, then you can complain here, or fix it up yourself :p
12:53:59webguest21of course
12:54:07decayedcellSoap: its because cygwin runs on windows, no need to install the other stuff
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12:54:27SoapCoLinux runs on windows, and IS linux and Is 5-10x faster.
12:54:30decayedcellthough a real linux install is a lot faster :p
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12:54:33webguest21thanks for the help
12:54:44decayedcellhmm okay then.. i suppose its not as well known then?
12:54:55LloreanSoap: Cygwin is smaller than either, isn't it?
12:55:06SoapLlorean: ahh - you have me there.
12:55:07decayedcelldepends on the packages you install
12:55:31Genre9mp3Only drawback of using VMware is that you need 2GB of space for the image file
12:55:36Lloreandecayedcell: And VMWare just requires installing the VMWare player, runs much faster than cygwin, and the image is completely enclosed so it's easy to clean up after.
12:55:39SoapI never go my cygwin install (with source) above 1GB.
12:55:43amiconnSoap: cygwin runs directly under windows, so I can use my favourite editor and don't have to access the source files via samba
12:55:54amiconn(which would be a problem w/o the vm running)
12:56:06Soapbah - samba makes it just like another drive - can still use your favorite editor!
12:56:11Genre9mp3samba works quite well though
12:56:21scorcheSoap: but you ahve to ahve the vm running
12:56:22Soapoh - yea - w/o the vm running is a different issue.
12:56:23decayedcellLlorean cygwin is really only limited to one folder I believe
12:56:32amiconnSoap: Yes, and all programs become dead slow if they remember the share and it isn't available
12:56:39Soapunless you mount a windows drive as your /home.....
12:56:45amiconnAlso, vmware / colinux need far more ram than cygwin
12:56:47Lloreandecayedcell: True. It's a lot more frustrating to deal with in regards to configuration than the VMWare kit though, just because it seems so easy for users to mess up.
12:57:00LloreanBut I think each has its points.
12:57:06Soapamiconn: ? colinux never uses more that 32, and isn't allowed to use more than 64.
12:57:08LloreanI used to use Cygwin, but this computer is quite happy with VMWare.
12:57:35SoapI rarely see it use more than 16.
12:57:51Genre9mp3I used to use Cygwin, too but after using VMware it seems to me that is really slow so never went back
12:58:59Genre9mp3besides I apt-get installed gedit so I can edit my files easily without using samba
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13:00:53LloreanHonestly, I don't like the fact that the coLinux image uses "getsvn" and "rbconf"
13:01:05XavierGrI can't change my habbit of using Notepad2 as my editor of choice
13:01:10decayedcellhas anyone else noticed here on the 5G ipod with regards to scrolling - when you scroll its fast for a few pages, but then it lags and slows down. Then you stop and then start scrolling again and its fast?
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13:01:28linuxstbLlorean: You don't have to use those commands though do you? Can't we just change the instructions?
13:01:31XavierGrso I still open the files on VMware from Windows
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13:01:56lachlan123decaydcell: Nope, mine seemed slow all the time
13:01:58linuxstbdecayedcell: It's because the scheduler gives priority to audio decoding.
13:02:03Lloreanlinuxstb: You don't have to, but the wiki page tells users to use them, which means they're in trouble if they start there and move to another development environment for RB.
13:02:26linuxstbLlorean: I agree - but I'm saying we can simply change the instructions without needing to change the colinux image.
13:02:36LloreanYeah
13:03:49XavierGrit is getting late, time to get a nap, the night will be long today
13:03:51XavierGrlater all
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13:04:59Genre9mp3XavierGr: night?
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13:14:05idnarhmm, can rockbox handle wavpack?
13:14:13scorcheyes
13:14:38daurnimatornot hybrid with the wvc
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13:52:04amiconnLinusN: ping...
13:52:26whatboutbobGreetings all. I've a random question. I don't suppose we have any Norwegians in here atm?
13:52:51BagderI bet we do
13:54:38hachiI always want to turn the term 'norwegian' into 'norfolk'... but then I remember that norfolk is just the name of the planet in metroid.
13:54:41whatboutbobA developer friend of mine is heading over to Norway to work for 6 months - doesn't speak a word of Norwegian...just wondering if you guys would have input on his chances of finding work?
13:55:06markunwhatboutbob: talk to preglow
13:55:21whatboutbobasp.net, ruby on rails, php...he's pretty flexible...
13:55:22BagderI would think that the IT market is hot over there too
13:56:16whatboutbobhe's just concerned that (verbal) language will be a barrier...
13:56:25whatboutbobany thoughts? ...anyone?
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13:56:46*Bagder can't comment on that for Norway
13:57:19preglowpeople speak english well here
13:57:23preglowif he does that, then hooray
13:58:36whatboutbobmwaha...thanks preglow. i know most scandinavians speak english better than most aussies...i just wasn't sure if it would be an issue in the workplace.
13:58:38preglowpeople in it especially very seCldom have problems, i even know of companies where they primarily speak english
13:58:44LinusNhehe, i just found a copy of the department's policy at work
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13:59:09LinusN"the cornerstone is 'do it right the first time'"
13:59:24LinusNthe document itself has revision 3 :-)
13:59:27whatboutbobany ideas on where he could start looking for work? (he's mentioned that most websites he's looked at are...unsurprisingly...in norwegian.
13:59:35Bagderhaha
13:59:36Hotfusionwow do it right the first time
13:59:36preglowwhatboutbob: at least i can't possibly imagine it being a problem, almost all job positions require a good knowledge of english these days
13:59:41Hotfusionsounds like a smart company :)
13:59:53preglowheh
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14:00:13preglowwhatboutbob: i don't really know how you'd go about that being a foreigner
14:00:22preglowbut there's got to be tons of people who do know
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14:00:38^BeN^mm how do i make a patch with the svn?
14:00:40preglowbrb
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14:01:14JdGordonPaprica: svn diff
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14:01:53Papricaand when i have new files?
14:02:17Papricahaha i forgot anything
14:02:44Bagderthen svn add the files before you svn diff
14:02:49whatboutbobI've worked for a few places who's policy would be closer to: "Do it right the first time....unless it is going to cost too much money...then take the cheaper option...and spend much more time and money on fixing it later."
14:03:09Papricaok
14:03:15bluebrotherdiff -u /dev/null new.file >> my.patch
14:03:23bluebrothershould work also :)
14:03:42Bagderyeps
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14:04:06Bagderor just the good old "diff -ruN dir1 dir2 > dump"
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14:05:49gookLinusN: and what if the aim was to get the revision 3? Then they did it right! ;-)
14:05:57LinusNthat must be it
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14:06:19LinusNbut did they get to revision 3 the first time?
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14:06:35gookLinusN: and then they'll declare the goal to be rev. 4, 5 etc.
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14:07:23gookIn the beginning, the goal is rev. 1. Then the goal is adjusted according to circumstances.
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14:07:53gookSo the main issue is to get the goal right.
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14:08:48justjohnny68markun: Hi, in response to your Chicago font query. I'm using it for my ROCKboxed theme, and don't include it in my zip. Are you talking about taking it out of the daily builds fonts archive?
14:09:08Lloreanjustjohnny68: It's already out of it.
14:10:19Papricahttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6599 my new game is waiting for commit :P
14:10:40markunjustjohnny68: ha! I wanted to talk to you :)
14:10:49justjohnny68Ahh, okay, repackage time.
14:11:34justjohnny68I'm actually re-creating the font in FontForge and extending it to include latin1 extended characters
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14:12:05markunjustjohnny68: don't do that
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14:12:13markunjustjohnny68: did you get my MP?
14:12:20markuneh.. PM :)
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14:14:07markunBagder: oops, svn didn't really understand I was trying to use UTF-8
14:14:15linuxstbPaprica: Is there a reason you've not used the existing Solitaire bitmaps?
14:14:59Papricamy game have smaller cards
14:15:03Bagdermarkun: you mean the html table stuff?
14:15:03justjohnny68Hi Markun, was asleep when it came in. Just switched screens and saw it
14:15:28Bagderobviously it didn't grok that...
14:15:35muesli__JdGordon whats the time down there?
14:16:24JdGordon12.16am
14:16:28linuxstbPaprica: Doesn't solitaire have different sized bitmaps already though?
14:17:13Papricayes it does but not with my size of card
14:17:14muesli__mmh...that guy told me 2am..but 10hours difference though...
14:17:48Papricaim sorry but i need to go to driving lessen... =\
14:17:55PapricaCU
14:18:39muesli__(all guys are strongly recommended to disappear from street *scr*)
14:19:12JdGordonmuesli__: its 2am in new zealand now... maybe you got his location wrong?
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14:19:42muesli__61 3 9681 should be melbourne!?
14:19:47JdGordonyep
14:19:47muesli__.+61
14:19:59markunBagder: yes
14:19:59JdGordondefinatly melb... inner melb actually
14:20:40muesli__well..i woke that guy, maybe he was out of bounce
14:20:42JdGordonPaprica: you just gave me a perfect reason to not buy my mum a rockboxable mp3 player... she is already addicted to spider solataire on the comp :p
14:21:04JdGordonmuesli__: are you ringing random numbers?
14:21:11muesli__lol..no...
14:21:21muesli__a friend of mine
14:23:19JdGordon.. maybe he diverted his phone to nz ?
14:23:38muesli__no..she was already sleeoing
14:23:40muesli__p
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14:31:25bluebrotherhmm. The website seems to have problems with utf8 characters in the recent svn logs
14:31:40bluebrotherwhy not convert the website to utf8?
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14:33:03jhMikeSHey all...been awhile. I'm curious why #ifdef HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING stuff was added to pcm_record.c if pcm_record.c is only included under the same conditions that #define HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING
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14:33:41LloreanjhMikeS: Because while that's true now, that condition can't be assumed for the future?
14:33:47bluebrotherdouble safety net? ;-)
14:34:26jhMikeSHehe. If you want that, there's more code that should be in the blocks.
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14:38:57*jhMikeS 's head has been too deep in sinc functions, integrators, filters, quantization noise shaping and emac and probably not deep enough yet. :P
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14:45:29markunjhMikeS: are you working on better resampling for rockbox?
14:46:06jhMikeSmarkun: Right now a bandlimited signal generator but knowledge there will likely lead to it.
14:49:27*jhMikeS is absolutely sure he'll have to mess around with that at some point
14:49:31preglowyou won't be using the same technique
14:49:34preglows
14:50:10preglowi'm starting to think we'll just go the iriver route with resampling
14:50:36preglowiir filter and interpolation when downsampling, fir filters when upsampling
14:51:04preglowboth of which will be vastly slower than what we do now
14:51:22preglowalso, we can't just precalc the coefs like iriver probably do :/
14:51:22jhMikeSI'm sure I won't use the same technique but I think I'll understand how to approach and design things as a result.
14:52:12preglowand designing elliptical filters will probably be real, real fun in fixed point
14:52:20preglowit's a bloody nightmare in floating point, ffs
14:53:52jhMikeSwell, I got the pulse synthesis pretty much perfect in fixed point with a noise floor around -120db or so. It's those integrators which thrive on low frequencies that are bugging me. :)
14:55:15barrywardell_anyone know how i make the apple_os.ipod file for booting the ipod firmware from a file on disk?
14:55:33preglowjhMikeS: they've also bugged everyone else working with blits
14:55:35Lloreanbarrywardell_: ipodpatcher -rf apple_os.ipod if I recall?
14:55:40preglowi don't know of any definite solutions to the problem
14:56:30Lloreanbarrywardell_: Assuming the AppleOS still exists in your firmware partition, and you haven't already -wf'ed over it. As long as you've been using -a, it's still there and handy for extraction.
14:56:33jhMikeSpreglow: It's especially problematic with a triangle wave with two stages. I can do sawtooth in one with a single ended blit.
14:56:42barrywardell_Llorean: great, thanks
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14:57:17preglowjhMikeS: yes, triangle is very problematic
14:57:30preglowit usually needs quite a bit of precision too
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14:59:06jhMikeSIt seems to require quantization noise pushed to a higher band. It giggles up and down a bit otherwise it seems because of low frequencies from q noise being amplified.
14:59:45preglowyeah, i had that problem using floats
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15:04:59jhMikeSThe triangle waveform itself is nice though but for that little bugger. Results atm are about the same scaling before or after the second integration.
15:08:18jhMikeSpreglow: Was that other method for sawtooth you mentioned ever published yet or will be? I'd love to have a look at it.
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15:10:28preglowjhMikeS: haven't heard anything more about it, i just read about it recently
15:10:45preglowjhMikeS: also, it's not as perfectly bandlimited as blits
15:10:46Hdaackdahi guys, i need to know something, there is a recording option in rockbox (ipod video 5.5 30gb). Does it work? how? i tried plugin a mic in the headphones jack but it didnt work (not surprised :).
15:10:52preglowjhMikeS: btw, do you handle freq sweeping nicely yet?
15:11:43jhMikeSpreglow: That was no problem. I even abused it with square waves hopping around sounding like R2D2 and it didn't blink.
15:12:10preglowjhMikeS: so you're adding the last harmonic separately?
15:12:32Hdaackda?
15:12:34jhMikeSno. haven't gotten to the popping out thing yet.
15:12:51preglowwhen you cut out harmonics as the sweep freq goes higher, you'll have popping
15:12:58preglowwhich can only be solved by adding the last harmonic separately
15:14:10Hdaackdaumm guys sorry to interrupt but does the recording work for ipod videos?
15:14:19jhMikeSAt least over the range it needs attenuation as long as it's low enough to not be heard
15:14:21preglowit doesn't work for any ipods, afaik
15:14:24preglowbut i don't know
15:14:32Hdaackdafrom the posts (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7765.0) i cant make out
15:14:40Hdaackdaoh ok. thanks :)
15:16:33jhMikeSI saved all that for last because that seemed easier to address than that triangle wave. :)
15:17:05Hdaackdai tried recording. the empty sound file it created was recognized by iTunes as a voice memo :S. wow
15:17:15Hdaackdasad that it didnt contain any voice.
15:17:20LloreanHdaackda: The 5G only has recording through the dock port.
15:19:11Hdaackda:( sadistic mean apple guys :)
15:19:32Hdaackdano workaround possible?
15:20:34Hdaackdabut check this (http://www.forbes.com/technology/2004/04/23/cx_ah_0423tentech.html) there is a device (pic shown) that uses the headphone jack to record
15:21:12Hdaackda(Belkin - dont know if it works for 5g though)
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15:25:41LloreanWhy do people refuse to believe their iPods can't record through the headphone jack?
15:27:10scorcheLlorean: because all it needs is a more powerful amp to drive a current into it...
15:27:52LloreanClearly.
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15:45:12Mooswow, beautiful IRC logs, more readable
15:45:52GodEateramiconn is the only person so far to dislike them for being too psychedlic :)
15:46:12Mooshehe, not surprised ;)
15:46:44*GodEater suspects amiconn used to read the old logs with a hexeditor
15:47:04Mooshaha :-D
15:47:08markunAnd I can't see the difference btween many of the colours, but nothing to do about that
15:47:37Mooshehe markun, sure you are not too many daltoniens ;p
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15:47:53markunXavierGr too I believe
15:48:07LloreanI actually like the plaintext logs, though I couldn't say that I actually prefer either way specifically.
15:48:43LloreanBut most times when I'm reading the logs it's on a very limited screen, so the plain text is better.
15:48:47MoosLlorean: even you didn't feel it, your eyes need to do less effort
15:50:24Moosthe logs looks really more easy to read now
15:50:30*Moos cheers Zagor
15:51:14amiconnThe good thing with the plaintext log is that I have a downloaded copy
15:51:21amiconnVEry useful for greping
15:52:10Moosgood point
15:52:15markunamiconn: I tried it once, but it because very very big. How large are the logs?
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15:52:32Moosand many days........
15:55:46Moosany X5 user around? jhMikeS?
15:55:57amiconn1681 files, 136MB (up to Jan 24)
15:56:19Moosouch
15:56:25amiconnNot very much imho
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16:00:32directhex|workwhat's battery life like with rockbox on an x5, compared to the original firmware?
16:00:33jhMikeSMoos: here
16:01:03RaZorbacKhi all, is there here a super user who could give me some rights on the wiki so I can add something? I just want to translate the voice howto in french
16:02:38Moosit's about cowon technical support, pm
16:03:28RaZorbacKnobody to help?
16:05:42bluebrotherRaZorbacK: it's just write permissions?
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16:06:56bluebrotherwrite permissions can give you anybody who already has write permissions
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16:07:49bluebrothergtg now, so you'll need to ask someone else
16:08:41markunRaZorbacK: what's your wiki name?
16:08:54BagderI think you need to re-register
16:09:05Bagdercause I removed a wiki user named razorback this morning
16:09:15markun:)
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16:11:10MoosI remenber time when we spoke to amways have real name in Wiki, no?
16:11:24Bagderthe register page makes that very clear
16:11:48Bagder"We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule."
16:12:17Moosbut we still have nicks on wiki, no?
16:12:34Bagderwhere?
16:13:21Moosoh, let's see...
16:13:24Genre9mp3Moos: If you mean the IRC nicks page, this is a completely different thing
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16:13:36Moosno wiki I meant
16:14:34Moos"BestSongsong?" this one have probably to go out for exemple
16:14:54Bagderthat doesn't exist
16:14:58Bagderhence the question mark
16:15:10Moosah ok
16:15:54markunI'm trying to tell the people at mygigabeat to ask rockbox questions in the rockbox forums. It's really hard...
16:16:06markunI should just stop answering questions there I think
16:16:17Bagdermarkun: it's bascially the same story in all those target-specific forums
16:16:23Bagderpeople don't give them up so easily
16:16:34markunBagder: a good thing we don't have them anymore! (only for install)
16:16:36n1sBagder: IcoD in the wiki :-)
16:16:37Mooshehe, indeed :-)
16:16:53Lloreanmarkun: I watch several target-specific forums, but all I ever do there is try to correct blatant misinformation.
16:17:15n1soh and KillerWolfe
16:17:29n1sbut maybe that's a name?
16:17:40markunn1s: right..
16:17:49BagderIcoD actually seems to be named Ico as first name
16:18:06n1soh, my bad... how about LuvDay?
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16:18:13BagderKillerWolfe however...
16:18:24n1sor MITinTraining
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16:18:33markunBagder: when you remove the account of a spammer, do you also check who gave that person write permission?
16:18:43Bagdernope
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16:18:53Bagdermost (all?) of them don't have write permissio
16:19:02LloreanIs there a list of actual registered users somewhere?
16:19:10Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsers
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16:19:20LloreanThat's not all users.
16:19:20n1soh the famous dansih actor MadsMichelsen is registered in the wiki :-)
16:19:33LloreanI know at least two users not on that list.
16:19:42Moosn1s: haha :D
16:19:49Bagdern1s: it isn't unlikely that more than one person has that name...
16:20:05n1syeah I konw but its funny :-)
16:20:08BagderLlorean: yeah, but I don't think there's any better way to list users
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16:20:56LloreanBagder: Alright, I was just curious if there was a more authoritative list, as you and I seem to have escaped that one, at least.
16:21:10n1sSereR0kR (with the zero)
16:21:18Bagderthere is the list with the passwords
16:21:27Bagderbut that's not accessible from the web
16:21:48Mooshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GarryN
16:22:19GodEaterwe appear to have an UndeadDragon too
16:22:38markunn1s: his real name seems to be christian kaik : http://ipodlinux.org/User:SereR0kR
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16:23:17Mooshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KiChu
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16:23:26Bagderbut really, there's no need to hunt them all down very hard until they make trouble
16:23:36barrywardellBagder: did you get those updated H10 bootloaders?
16:23:48BagderI did, but I haven't uploaded them properly yet
16:24:03barrywardellk, just checking you got them :)
16:24:11barrywardellno major rush
16:24:22MoosBagder: not important indeed
16:24:28Moos"We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule." ;)
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16:25:21LloreanMoos: Well, since you have to go through a human to get edit access now, they'll all be weeded out with time.
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16:27:46directhex|workhow does battery life compare on the iaudio x5 between the official & rockbox firmwares? there are figures for ipods, plus older archoses & irivers
16:29:01Lloreandirecthex|work: I don't think anyone's actually done a *proper* test yet.
16:29:04linuxstbdirecthex|work: Results are posted by users - feel free to do some tests yourself. AFAIK, the runtimes are similar in the official firmware and Rockbox on the X5.
16:29:26LloreanMostly what you hear is mostly "Well, I got X hours, but I was playing Doom for 2 of them, and skipped around a lot" and such
16:29:33LloreanThe general feeling I get though is that they're very close.
16:30:09Moosyep they are IIRC
16:30:19LloreanI think Rockbox may be slightly worse, but then people seem to want to enable a bunch of power draining features in Rockbox.
16:31:10LloreanSo you get "My X5 is supposed to run 29 hours in the retail firmware, and I only got 24 with a graphical WPS, using the equalizer, crossfeed, replaygain, and a caption timer on the backlight while playing Oggs!"
16:31:12jhMikeSI'm sure the company benchmarks are quite ideal...and with 128K mp3 I think they said.
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16:31:49LloreanI'm actually kinda surprised any time I see someone who lists the caption backlight as one of their regular settings.
16:32:23directhex|worki'm just a little apprehensive, considering the rather wide gulf between figures for the ipod
16:32:35directhex|workall i really care about is a library and vorbis playback
16:32:53Lloreandirecthex|work: You *do* know it's removable if you find it's too short for your tastes.
16:33:00jhMikeSI have a battery bench someone did for x5l and it ran to 30:13:56
16:33:04LloreanBut the iPod has special hurdles that haven't been overcome yet.
16:33:10LloreanYou really shouldn't use any one target to judge another one.
16:33:19GodEatermainly cos we're attempting to hurdle with ankle chains on
16:33:25GodEaterand a blindfold
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16:34:06directhex|workLlorean, yes, i do know it's removable. but at this moment in time there is *no* player whose stock firmware matches my needs, so (for example) an ipod with standard firmware is useless to me since my collection is all vorbis
16:34:19linuxstbdirecthex|work: The X5's hardware is very similar to the iriver h1x0/h3x0, where Rockbox outperforms the original firmware in battery life.
16:34:55linuxstbI'm assuming you haven't yet bought a player?
16:35:27directhex|worklinuxstb, i have not. my rio karma died again last night though, si i'm in the market
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16:35:56markundirecthex|work: what about a Gigabeat F40?
16:35:59linuxstbAny player out of the X5, iriver h1x0/h3x0 or Gigabeat F or X series would be good choice.
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16:36:23Lloreandirecthex|work: If you're *just* concerned about audio playback, Gigabeat F series are very cheap (relatively) on e-bay and such, I believe.
16:37:06*GodEater is still impatiently waiting for his Gigabeat to arrive
16:37:28goffaactually on the gigabeat.. does everything except recording and fm
16:37:33GodEaterit's a shame rio decided to fit such a crappy harddrive in the Karma
16:37:37LloreanBut if you need recording features, you want to look at the H100, and if you need ridiculous battery life (greater than 16ish to 19ish hours) the X5L is where to look.
16:37:38GodEatermine died REALLY fast
16:37:43goffastill does movies, gameboy, etc
16:37:56Lloreangoffa: Yes, but movies and gameboy aren't the purpose of an "MP3 player" in general.
16:37:56markunGodEater: hitachi?
16:38:10Lloreangoffa: I was discussing audio related features.
16:38:10GodEatermarkun: no clue - I never actually opened it
16:38:19GodEaterI just replaced it with an H140 in disgust
16:38:20directhex|workmarkun, is the gigabeat current? doesn't seem to be available new from the usual suspects
16:38:37GodEaterdirecthex|work: thats why we said ebay
16:38:58GodEaterit's pretty sweet hardware though, a 300Mhz ARM and oodles of battery life
16:39:04markundirecthex|work: only in australia I think you can still find new ones
16:39:06directhex|worki'd prefer to get something that's considered a 'current' model. looks quite nice though
16:39:07GodEaterand a nice large colour screen
16:39:26GodEaterI thought the X5 was out of production too
16:39:31Lloreandirecthex|work: It's still current, it's just not necessarily available from retailers in a lot of cases.
16:39:57LloreanIn terms of raw processing power, it has the most out of any Rockbox targets to date.
16:39:58directhex|workhttp://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=139792 - that's fairly cheap
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16:40:19directhex|workassuming i'm looking at the right thing
16:40:33LloreanThat's it.
16:40:47markundirecthex|work: you can get them for much less
16:40:49LloreanThough... I paid about half that price here in the US.
16:40:54markunaround $100
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16:41:19GodEaterI paid $96 US
16:42:00markundirecthex|work: if you can find one buy a X60 :)
16:42:10markunreally nice but equally rare
16:42:15goffaLlorean: i was just trying to offer clairification
16:42:26linuxstbWhat's so special about the X series?
16:42:37Lloreanlinuxstb: It has a bigger screen, to my understanding.
16:42:38goffasupposedly pretty :)
16:42:44markunlinuxstb: smaller, lighter and a bigger screen
16:42:46perl|worklinuxstb biggesr screen, slimmer looks
16:43:01linuxstbSame resolution screen, but larger?
16:43:03LloreanHonestly my Gigabeat already feels a little fragile.
16:43:14markunyes, 2.4" or 2.5" not sure
16:43:14goffayeah.. i ended up getting a zcover
16:43:20goffait adds bulk
16:43:34goffabut on the one with a "loose feeling" casing
16:43:39goffait did the trick
16:43:52*linuxstb can't justify buying yet another mp3 player
16:43:53LloreanNot as bad as the Nano or anything, but I've always felt the H120's general heft was reassuring.
16:43:53directhex|workhm, the reported battery times on the F40 are really good. and it's cheaper than an ipod or x5
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16:44:17Lloreandirecthex|work: Note: It lacks recording functionality, so if you need that it's not a good one to consider.
16:44:22directhex|workmy fiancee's h320 has died after about a year, which isn't very good really
16:44:23goffayeah.. i'm probably going to attempt to sell my h140.. and get one of those new 60gb samsungs if it'll fit in my x5l
16:44:31goffasingle platter n series
16:44:45directhex|workLlorean, i need to play oggs, and browse in a library rather than directory fashion. beyond that, i don't care
16:44:58Lloreandirecthex|work: Then the F40 will work for you.
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16:45:07LloreanThough I honestly can't imagine someone "needing" to browse in a library fashion.
16:45:17LloreanI'd always considered it sort of a "prefer" thing.
16:45:53directhex|worki've owned players which force both methodologies. i'd really say "need"
16:46:45markundirecthex|work: well, no rockbox for you then. Only DRM WMA and file browsing ;)
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16:47:36directhex|workmarkun, i'll reverse-engineer Janus DRM, and transcode all my tracks to 32kib/s drm'd wma. sorted!
16:48:32markuntranscoding is good, all my 128kbit/s MP3 files sound much better at 320 now!
16:48:47directhex|workCBR, i hope?
16:48:54markunof course ;)
16:48:57directhex|worksilence doesn't sound right unless it's at 320kib/s
16:49:09goffadirecthex|work: then you'll force the rockbox devs to listen to the drm'd 32k reencoded to 320 until they change their minds?
16:49:12goffa:)
16:49:40goffaer.. sorry... er not 320.. let's make it flac
16:49:50goffathat'd be better yet
16:50:19Bagderwhat is it with people formatting their sansas to use fat16?
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16:50:36*Bagder shakes head
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16:50:53goffamakes it more gooder
16:51:03goffa:D
16:51:31LloreanBagder: Would windows default to Fat16 on a 2gb disk?
16:51:45directhex|workgoffa, flac's dirty open source rubbish. you want apple lossless
16:51:57directhex|workLlorean, i think it sould
16:51:59BagderLlorean: yeah, perhaps its a default option
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16:52:00directhex|workwould. bah
16:52:05markundirecthex|work: or WMA lossless!
16:52:08goffamy bad directhex|work
16:52:19goffawhat was i thinking
16:52:21directhex|workmarkun, that too
16:52:26goffadon't need any commie formats!
16:52:42LloreanBagder: Windows users are bad about just clicking "okay" and going. That may plague RButil for H100/H120 users, and such.
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16:53:50*Llorean likes making horribly broad generalizations.
16:54:02directhex|workhm, x60 is nowhere to be found. but i like the look of the f40
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16:55:05directhex|worki shall then be able to plug my wma player with open source replacement os into my apple computer with open source replacement os. i like the sound of that.
16:56:06markundirecthex|work: you should give the original F40 firmware a chance. The SAT encryption of all the files is a really nice feature.
16:56:18Bagderhahaha
16:56:39markunBagder: ok, I think I've talked enough nonsense for today..
16:58:08directhex|workbloody hell. £270 for an f40 from napster.co.uk
16:58:23GodEatertip: don't buy it from there :)
16:58:35markundirecthex|work: but they probably give you a 'free' account to their services
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16:58:55directhex|workGodEater, i'm happy enough with £155 from expansys
16:59:11GodEaterchrist that's a lot
16:59:14directhex|workmarkun, nope!
16:59:15GodEaterI paid half that
16:59:26directhex|workGodEater, import or ebay?
16:59:30GodEaterebay
16:59:37pondlifeBagder: Did you see the front page recent changes table? Some kind of character coding issue with "Matouek"...
16:59:40GodEaterI think I paid £76 all in
16:59:43GodEaterincluding postage
16:59:47Bagderpondlife: yes I noticed
16:59:52Bagderbut I'm ignoring for now
16:59:56pondlife:)
17:00
17:00:14Bagderunicode hurts my brain
17:00:20pondlifeSorry, I only seem to be talking about the website recently.
17:00:25directhex|workGodEater, i want a phone number to moan at if there are problems
17:00:30pondlifeWish I had time to discuss playback.
17:00:33GodEaterfair enough
17:00:44directhex|workreałły?
17:00:48GodEaterI think joelonsoftware had a decent description of unicode recently
17:00:48markunBagder: I was not sure I could use UTF-8
17:00:56GodEaterit was the best explanation I've seen so far
17:02:01GodEaterhttp://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
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17:02:48Ghoulunatanyone here?
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17:03:10directhex|worknoi, nobody
17:03:14Ghoulunatlol
17:03:20BagderGhoulunat: no, these are all bots talking
17:03:26GhoulunatI meant to say "anyone here that can help me with the gigabeat build"
17:03:39Ghoulunatbut i Just woke up, bare with me :P
17:03:46directhex|workBagder, You are being a bit negative.
17:03:56*Bagder is hte grumpy kind
17:04:09*Llorean apparently grumpy++ then.
17:04:17LloreanWith an "is" in the appropriate place.
17:04:34markunGhoulunat: just awsk
17:04:36markunask
17:04:36LloreanGhoulunat: You'll probably be best off if you ask a question that can actually be answered.
17:04:38directhex|workBagder, Please go on.
17:04:59*Bagder leaves to go eating
17:05:05Ghoulunatok...welll
17:05:30directhex|workhttp://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script
17:05:34directhex|workow, damn, wrong paste
17:05:48GhoulunatI've got the newest ( I think) version of the gigabeat build, and the new bootloader, although it won't save any of my settings when I power off (volume and theme mostly)
17:06:14LloreanGhoulunat: How do you power off?
17:06:33Ghoulunathold the button on the side
17:06:44markunGhoulunat: strange, it works fine for me
17:06:49Ghoulunathmm
17:06:50LloreanAnd by "newest ( I think)" what exactly do you mean?
17:06:56LloreanWhere did you download it from?
17:06:57Ghoulunatit's kept the settings I think once
17:06:59Ghoulunathere
17:07:04Ghoulunatit was about a week ago I believe
17:07:15LloreanSeeing as builds are updated several times a day, that's far from "newest"
17:07:16markunGhoulunat: do you turn on hold after you turn on the player?
17:07:32Ghoulunatusually, yes
17:07:39markunGhoulunat: that's your problem then
17:07:48markunThat's our nice auto-reset-settings feature :)
17:08:02markunWhen it says "Clearing..."
17:08:25linuxstbIt's probably better not to use the hold switch for that if you can help it. We have trouble detecting early button presses on the ipod, so hold is the only thing that will work reliably.
17:08:27markunmaybe we should make the auto reset a bit more complicated
17:08:42linuxstbAFAIK, all other targets use RECORD.
17:08:49GhoulunatI see
17:08:57markunwe could use A maybe
17:08:59*linuxstb wonders about the Player
17:09:02Lloreanmarkun: Volume -?
17:09:12markunLlorean: what about it?
17:09:18LloreanAs a suggestion for the button?
17:09:18markunah, volume - button :)
17:09:31LloreanSince you're using Volume+ to restore the original firmware right now.
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17:09:38markunwho volunteers to redo the gigabeat key mapping?
17:09:46markunI want A and POWER swapped at least
17:09:57markunand the plugins could be a bit more consistant
17:10:16*Llorean can't make any promises, but has considered looking at it at some point.
17:10:45[IDC]Dragonirc logs are so colorful...
17:10:50LloreanThough if I did it, I'd probably be suggesting something nearly identical to the H100 keymap.
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17:11:25Ghoulunatalso, would there be any adverse effects if I deleted the Room software from my PC? because now it's like "OOH YOU HAVE FIRMWARE THAT WORKS! I WANT TO HELP!"
17:11:43markunGhoulunat: delete it
17:11:44Ghoulunatand every time I plug in the USB, that shit pops up
17:11:45Ghoulunatok
17:11:46[IDC]Dragonblack, hmm
17:12:00markunor uninstall rather
17:12:04*Llorean has never installed the "Room" software
17:12:04Ghoulunatyeah
17:13:05Ghoulunatdone.
17:13:24GhoulunatI seriously want to know what Toshiba was thinking when they made this thing.
17:13:49directhex|workGhoulunat, could be worse
17:13:53directhex|workGhoulunat, seen Sony Sonic Stage?
17:14:00markunGhoulunat: I want to know what the hardware guys were thinking after they saw what the software guys had done to their baby..
17:14:06LloreanI would wager something along the lines of "Right now the RIAA is suing everyone they get their hands on, if it's hard to copy music back OFF the device maybe we'll be safe"
17:14:31Ghoulunatdirecthex|work: no
17:14:37directhex|workGhoulunat, don't. for the sake of your soul
17:14:52Ghoulunatok :P
17:15:18GhoulunatLlorean: yeah, that what I would have said
17:15:57GodEatersomeone seriously needs to take the board of directors at RIAA into a dark alley, and give them a thorough kicking
17:16:05Ghoulunatamen.
17:16:11LloreanGodEater: I'm not entirely sure why someone would try to have their Sansa generate the database yet, since playback doesn't even work.
17:16:31GodEaterwell - I could have said that too Llorean.
17:16:35GodEaterI'm trying to be nice recently though.
17:16:36GodEater:)
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17:17:11GodEaterI realised I was getting into the habit of wanting to start all my posts with "Duh!"
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17:17:19Ghoulunatalso, does anyone have one of those Griffin iTrips for non-iPods?
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17:18:51GodEaterI'm still struggling to work out the post from that guy who started talking about "installing linux being unnecessary" when I asked him not to point people at Rockbox Installer X. He was either a genius or completely insane.
17:19:07GodEaterbecause either way, I had no idea what he was on about.
17:19:12Ghoulunat0_o
17:19:34GhoulunatGodEater: I'd lean toward the latter
17:20:04GodEaterme too - but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Occasionally.
17:20:11Ghoulunathaha
17:20:58Ghoulunatnow, if he started talking up "Room" or any other bad firmwares, you might want to have him shipped off
17:21:05Ghoulunatyou know, before he harms anyone
17:21:57LloreanWe just have a lot of users who feel anything "easier" is automatically a better way.
17:22:04LloreanEspecially among iPod users.
17:22:25GhoulunatOi.
17:22:55LloreanThis especially applies to installers, regardless of whether they install outdated versions of the bootloader.
17:23:30LloreanAnd Loader 2 for iPL is particularly popular because it offers a menu. A good chunk of iPod users are using our software for games, and are perfectly happy with the original firmware for music.
17:24:00directhex|workanything that doesn't involve using a hex editor to install is a luxury, really
17:24:27GodEaterI really don't get the appeal of loader 2
17:24:39GhoulunatHmm...ah balls. I've gotta run
17:24:41LloreanWell, one thing I've learned here: It is a bad assumption that people searching out alternative firmware for their MP3 players even know what a command prompt *is*
17:24:41GodEaterwhen I turn the thing on, I don't want to have to look at it and then push ANOTHER button
17:24:45Ghoulunatabout time for class
17:25:05Ghoulunatthanks for your help guys :)
17:25:09GhoulunatI'll be back though
17:25:27GodEaterI'm curious to know how people who are ignorant of command prompts even work out what an alternative firmware is
17:25:54GodEateras far as I can see their equally "techy"
17:26:00GodEaters/their/they're
17:26:05LloreanGodEater: Someone on iLounge tells them that Rockbox can put Doom on their iPod.
17:26:21GodEaterah - that makes perfect sense
17:26:26GodEaterask a silly question
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17:26:32LloreanThey don't know what an alternative firmware is.
17:27:08GodEaterperhaps porting to iPod was a bad idea....
17:27:26*markun blames linuxstb and preglow
17:27:30LloreanNah, the only real problem here is that I don't have absolute administrative control over the rest of the internet.
17:27:39GodEaterhahahahaha
17:27:48GodEateryour jackboots ain't that big yet huh ?
17:28:37LloreanAnyway, I'm thinking about maybe abstracting the install process a little bit.
17:28:46GodEaterI think we should make it REALLY hard
17:28:48GodEaternot easier
17:28:54GodEaterscare these people away
17:28:56GodEater:)
17:28:57LloreanWell, the problem is that there's too much documentation.
17:28:58linuxstbIt should definitely require vi
17:29:01LloreanPeople don't bother reading it.
17:29:04LloreanOr skip over chunks.
17:29:11GodEaterpah
17:29:12GodEatereflin
17:29:17GodEaters/eflin/edlin
17:29:32LloreanMost of the install processes could be simplified to about two pages of text that you don't have to hunt for in a manual.
17:29:56directhex|workthe rockbox site generally seems a little like text overkill. finding specific information is a chore
17:29:56LloreanWe already have the IpodInstallationBeta page for example
17:30:39linuxstbOr just work to incorporate ipodpatcher into rbutil...
17:30:57LloreanTrue, rbutil simplifies it a lot.
17:31:09GodEateris there only one person working on rbutil ?
17:31:42linuxstbYes, and she isn't around IRC very often, so I don't know if she's actually working on it at all.
17:32:09linuxstbLast I heard from her was that she was fighting with Windows USB device detection.
17:32:12GodEaterlast time she was here she was cursing some aspect of device detection on windows as I recall
17:32:17GodEaterhahahaha
17:32:18linuxstb:)
17:32:35*GodEater looks round to see if linuxstb is standing behind him
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17:33:57perl|workthe funniest part about the whole rockbox on ipods issue is that the 1st thing people ask about it (after they saw doom of course) is how they can play videos
17:34:23GodEateryou have an odd sense of humour....
17:34:41GodEater:)
17:34:42Mikachuit's better than asking how to play doom imo :)
17:34:54Lloreanperl|work: Everyone wants to make their device do something it couldn't do before, rather than make it do what they bought it for, better.
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17:35:18*pondlife agrees and sighs
17:35:41perl|workLlorean well yeah, but with 5g ipods...
17:35:43linuxstbThe "itunes/ipod experience" also appears to be liked by some people, meaning Rockbox is just for games.
17:35:55pondlifeIf it were my jackboots, there would be an iPod port but no games or plugins (apart from diagnostics)
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17:37:03pondlifeIt's barmy that iPod users can play doom but suffer lockups listening to music when their CPU needs boosting.. ;-)
17:43:42GodEaterany news on arrangements / plans for devcon2007 yet ?
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17:48:20Mikachuit's still very cold in stockholm :)
17:48:34GodEaterand ?
17:48:47GodEaterI've wintered there before - doesn't bother me much
17:51:08GodEaterprovided you're not planning on doing the devcon in Kungstragarden ?
17:51:26GodEaterexcuse my lack of swedish keyboard, I gave up looking for the compose sequence
17:51:43amiconnOh, hi [IDC]Dragon :)
17:51:43Mikachuheh, i think it's "a
17:52:52GodEaterThat would be Shift+Compose+2 here
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17:54:24GodEaterwhich gets me -> ›
17:54:56Mikachuyou're not supposed to hold compose
17:56:17GodEaternot holding compose gets- > ä
17:56:25GodEaterwhich I still think is the wrong letter
17:56:31GodEaterbut my swedish is rusty
17:56:34Mikachuno, that's the one
17:56:39Mikachubut then you also want oa
17:56:45MikachuKungstrdgrden
17:56:48GodEaterah
17:56:52GodEaterthat doesn't come out here
17:57:04Mikachui have utf8 by default
17:57:04GodEaterI get junk where the missing vowels are
17:57:21MikachuKungstrdgrden
17:57:26GodEaterthe same
17:57:28markundoesn't look like UTF-8 here
17:57:39Mikachuhm wait i don't have utf8 by default :)
17:57:40GodEaterI get that weird ? on a black diamond background
17:57:46MikachuKungsträdgården
17:57:50Mikachuthat should be utf-8 though
17:57:51markunMikachu: much better :)
17:57:57GodEaterthat's better
17:59:54GodEateranyway - unless you were planning on holding devcon out of doors
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18:00:01GodEaterI don't think it matters much
18:00:14Mikachui'm not involved, i don't like cold weather though :)
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18:04:17amiconnMikachu: Your non-utf8 version looks ok here, utf8 doesn't
18:04:46markunamiconn: doesn't surprise me at all :)
18:04:49Mikachuwell, then you're not using utf8, it's hard to send both encodings at the same time :)
18:05:08Mikachui'm not going to be speaking a lot of swedish with you in here though
18:06:16Mikachumy german is also fairly limited
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18:09:42amiconnhehe
18:09:52amiconnWindows usually doesn't use utf8
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18:14:04Mikachuisn't it more or less up to the app to support it?
18:14:35Mikachui don't remember, utf8 wasn't very popular when i used windows :)
18:14:38toffe:) I register on the wiki and the confirmation mail was seen as a spam by gmail
18:15:01Mikachutheir algorithm probably regognizes identical mails sent to multiple people from the same host
18:15:05[IDC]DragonOh, hi Jens!
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18:16:16toffecan somebody give me write access on the wiki ?
18:17:47toffemarkun ?
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18:39:37toffehello everybody went to lunch :)
18:40:09Bagderwhat's your wiki name toffe ?
18:40:20toffeChristopheNicolas
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18:40:57Bagderwelcome, write access granted
18:41:04toffeok thank you
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18:48:20GodEaterhurrah - my F40 arrived
18:48:37fasmaieGood for you
18:48:57toffewelcome to the club ;)
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18:49:20GodEatertime for some instant rockbox-ing
18:49:30GodEater(after having first read the instructions of course) ;)
18:49:42crculverIs : not allowed on the FAT32 filesystem Rockbox uses, requiring me to change the names of all my files?
18:50:03perl|workwhy all of your files have : ?
18:50:07GodEatercrculver: correct ":" is not a valid filename char
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18:50:23crculverWell, I guess I can write a script to take care of that in the copying.
18:50:42crculverAnd does the filesystem allow UTF-8, or do I need to strip all non-ASCII chars?
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18:56:45Mikachucrculver: fat supports utf8, but not some windows reserved characters such as : ! < > ? etc
18:57:54bluebrothercrculver: fat uses UCS-2, which supports a subset of unicode except some special characters. The FAT specification lists those
18:58:21Mikachuif you somehow create files with those chars, they will show fine in rockbox though
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19:00:53bluebrotherlinux also tolerates some violations of the FAT spec. Those files will work nicely in linux and RB but windows will be unable to access them
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19:10:46n1srockbox can still rename files to illegal names too...
19:11:07Mikachufine by me :)
19:11:53TravisHHey, i have a quick question with SVN. I added a bunch of patches and screwed up a bunch of source files, is there a way to have SVN redownload only the changed files and leave the others so i dont have to download the entire source again?
19:12:55Mikachusvn revert
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19:13:17Mikachuit will in fact not redownload anything when you run that command, it keeps copies of all original files locally
19:13:20TravisHGreat! Thanks a lot.
19:13:31Mikachu(so you can run svn diff offline)
19:13:36TravisHThat is even better.
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19:15:15crculverGreat, that's all I was worried about in using Rockbox. Thanks for the help
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19:32:18webguest65Having trouble getting mpg videos to play on my ipod under rockbox, any suggestions?
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19:34:56toffewebguest65 : did you try this one : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras
19:35:16webguest65yeah ive tried using VLC to convert the videos
19:35:17toffeThere are known to be working
19:35:24webguest65but they dont seem to want to play
19:36:02toffeyou don't have to reencode them , there are ready to play
19:36:23webguest65it just freezes at "Buffering..."
19:36:30toffewhat ipod do you have ?
19:36:43webguest6530gig video, 5th gen
19:37:52Soul-SlayerHow large are the videos?
19:38:11webguest65the one im trying to play is 11 minutes, approximately 17 megs
19:38:14amiconnmarkun: Your latest CREDITS addition has a slight problem: it uses an utf-8 char which is not part of iso8859-1
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19:38:46Soul-SlayerHave you tried playing smaller ones? I have had problems with larger videos before - may be worth a try.
19:39:01amiconnIt's the first entry doing so, and it won't show up correctly with many fonts, and on the player
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19:39:54webguest65im downloading that sample video off the site, to see if its my videos or the player
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19:40:21Soul-SlayerDoes anyone know how well the 'Kernel on COP' patch works right now? The patch written for PP targets (In my case, the H10)
19:40:26markunamiconn: aha, do you think we should fix the player to show a S here instead or do you want to change his name?
19:40:59amiconnI will eventually extend the player's capabilities to map such characters to a plain s, but what about the bitmap targets?
19:42:08markunyes, good question..
19:42:25amiconnWith unicode we *could* switch to using the proper utf-8 chars in CREDITS, but then we would have to convert all names
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19:43:03amiconn...and we would end up with a crazy mix of plain latin, various accented latin chars, greek, cyrillic, chinese, japanese...
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19:43:22amiconnNot many fonts would be able to show that mixture
19:43:24dan_aSoul-Slayer: Everything I've heard suggests it's not working well right now.
19:44:09Soul-Slayerdan_a: Do you know if it degrades performance, or just doesn't enhance? Or enhances by a slight amount? Or are you unaware :p.
19:45:10dan_aDegrades. I need to test it and investigate, but I've got too much paid work to do at the moment
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19:46:05Soul-SlayerFair enough :p.
19:46:39*GodEater spots a missing word from the gigabeat install manual and patches the manual
19:48:08webguest65okay so that video plays..
19:48:13*linuxstb_ feels up to adding a word to the manual
19:48:36GodEaterI'll have a diff in a second
19:48:38linuxstb_webguest65: How did you encode your video?
19:48:44Soul-SlayerIn which case, it's either how your videos are encoded, or their size.
19:48:49GodEaterI just realised my source tree is full of attempts at hacking the fat driver though
19:48:53linuxstb_GodEater: If it's just one word, just tell me.
19:49:01GodEaterok
19:49:08GodEaterunder installing the bootloader
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19:49:31GodEater"Make sure you have configured your browser *to* show hidden file"
19:49:40GodEaters/file/files
19:49:49webguest65i just used VLC, and used mpeg-1/mpeg audio
19:49:49*dan_a wonders if it is possible to replace the Microdrive in an iriver H10
19:49:56GodEatersecond bullet point
19:50:04webguest65this video has sound, but no video ;s
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19:50:53Soul-Slayerwebguest65: Are you using Windows? If so, did you use the .bat file provided?
19:51:09webguest65im using windows yes, but where would this bat file be?
19:51:15Soul-SlayerOne moment.
19:51:48linuxstb_GodEater: Committed.
19:52:17Soul-Slayerhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
19:52:17Soul-SlayerScroll down to 'How to encode files', if you look a little lower down there should be a link to 'VLC-transcode.bat'. Download that and edit it to the correct screen resolution, stated above
19:52:42linuxstb_webguest65: You probably encoded it to AVI - I think that's the default for vlc.
19:52:43Soul-SlayerThen drag and drop your file onto that .bat file and wait for it to complete.
19:53:11linuxstb_mpegplayer expects an MPEG program stream.
19:53:30webguest65i understand that and i DID encode it as mpeg
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19:53:42Soul-SlayerAck, very sorry, don't follow my instructions, just noticed it is out of date :$.
19:53:53webguest65oh, lol
19:54:56Soul-SlayerHold on, I do know of one other automated way
19:55:07linuxstb_webguest65: What was the vlc command-line you used?
19:55:55Soul-Slayerhttp://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=51189 Have a look at that, 'should' do the trick.
19:56:12webguest65didnt use a command line, just used the graphical thing
19:56:37Papricalinuxstb_, amiconn, do you know if i still have my commit access?
19:57:17linuxstb_Not unless you've emailed Bagder with your old CVS username and a new SVN password.
19:57:49Papricaohh ok... so can you commit spider for me??
19:59:09linuxstb_What's the rush? Just ask Bagder to enable your SVN account.
19:59:22markunGodEater: how's the installation going?
19:59:40Papricahaha :)
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20:00:04GodEatermarkun it's not - the battery needs charging :)
20:00:36webguest65soul, those zip files are both corrupt :p
20:00:55Soul-SlayerThey are? Works fine for myself - What unextractor do you use?
20:01:07webguest65just winrar
20:01:28Soul-SlayerHmm, was fine for me in Winzip 11
20:01:53linuxstb_Paprica: Also, I'm not sure new plugins should be added which only support such a small number of targets.
20:02:54RedbrevaSoul-Slayer: Winzip 11 default setting is not widely compatible - try winzip 2 (legacy)
20:03:05Paprica4 targets... the others have a small screennn
20:03:41Soul-SlayerRedbreva: It's not a zip file I am distributing, I am just reporting that I was able to unextract it okay. I could try recompressing for him however.
20:03:46Soul-SlayerAnd uploading elsewhere
20:04:52Soul-Slayerwebguest65: Out of interest, why don't you just dual boot with the original Apple firmware and use that for it's video viewing capacities? The Mpeg player plugin is still quite tempremental and in development
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20:09:39lexwtf
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20:09:46lexhow can my p2 350MHz show xvid flawlessy
20:11:17linuxstb__Why not?
20:11:33lexi thought it is too slow for that
20:11:52lexi guess i were wrong
20:12:00lexbut now i need to take a shower
20:12:36GodEatermarkun: I found a power port nearer the laptop - so I'm going to start my install now ;)
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20:14:59linuxstb__Paprica: Solitaire displays 7 columns of cards on the Archos 112x64 display, so if you use those bitmaps, you should be able to support the 160x128 and larger LCDs.
20:15:47toffeGodEater : the gigabeat should charge through the usb
20:16:16GodEaterah well - I've got it plugged into both =/
20:16:45lexand that is what i love on my ipod:
20:16:49lex[18147.166822] Buffer I/O error on device sda2, logical block 14603084
20:16:51hachioh no, you're cross charging the power company from your laptop! ;]
20:16:57lexso lot of those when i plug it into linux :>
20:17:10lexdo you think it's a broken drive or just partitions messed up?
20:17:20toffeGodEater : I think that if the battery is completely discharge, you have to wait if you connect only through the usb
20:17:33lexit works fine on windows though and it can't find errors from it
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20:19:43GodEaterheh - successfully installed
20:20:10amiconnlinuxstb_: (hmm, how many linuxstb* are there??) The solitaire cards for archos are adjusted for the non-square pixel aspect of the archos lcd. But it shouldn't be too difficult to make a card set with the same card width, adjusted for square pixels
20:20:24GodEaterhad to switch the battery off to get it to reset properly though
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20:20:56amiconnAnd yes, afaik spider uses 10 columns, hence it should be possible to support LCDs of 160x128 and up
20:21:07linuxstbSorry about the multiple nicks, I generally move between my laptop and desktop during the evening so have two IRC clients open.
20:21:23amiconnFreecell would be a little less demanding - only 8 columns
20:21:24linuxstbYes, I forgot about the aspect ratio.
20:22:46amiconnSo the only targets not (practically) supportable in spider would be the archoses, the iFP and the minis
20:23:12linuxstbA card-game library in the plugin lib would seem useful.
20:23:56amiconnOh, and the small H10
20:24:29amiconnI can't see how a lib would help. Our displays are generally small, so the cards should be as large as possible on each target
20:25:06amiconnThe possible card size then depends on the game
20:25:15GodEatersvg cards then obviously :)
20:25:33*GodEater ducks
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20:28:33linuxstbI was just thinking of some simple functions to display the cards, possibly with a user-selectable choice of card styles, and the ability to display cards of different sizes.
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20:31:36*GodEater spots that he's left a Norton Ghost image of a PC from work amongst his music collection. Which is now in mid copy to his Gigabeat. Doh.
20:31:43XavierGrmarkun: yeah you got that right, It is too difficult for me to differentiate all those colours in the new irec log reader
20:32:16XavierGrmarkun: that's why I am going to nag Zagor to let us choose our colour choice for each Nick and add background colour highlighting too
20:32:18XavierGr:P
20:32:46GodEaterjust promise now to share any more screenshots of your resulting masterpiece XavierGr ;)
20:33:16XavierGrI am proud of it :D
20:33:41XavierGrActually I am thinking to make an irc script that does just like that on whole external text files
20:35:43*amiconn wonders how the irc colouring script chooses colours
20:35:58GodEaterblindfold and pointy stick approach I think
20:35:59amiconnlinuxstb and linuxstb_ are coloured differently...
20:36:12toffesomething interesting for the ipod user : http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/present.php?p=Nike_iPod-Internals
20:36:16linuxstbI think the algorithm uses the first, middle and last characters.
20:36:29amiconn...and markun is next to invisible
20:36:35GodEaterI need to change nick then - I don't like being brown.
20:36:44GodEaterI want to be blue or something
20:37:01linuxstbYou'll need to r-e the algorithm then...
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20:37:24*linuxstb looks forward to speaking to BodFaten
20:37:35GodEaterhehehe
20:37:58GodEaterit has to be done now doesn't it ?
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20:38:26bluebrotherlooks like the script colors "The"
20:38:30BodFatenhmm
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20:38:40linuxstbBlue :)
20:38:49BodFatennice guess
20:38:54|Rincewind|hi
20:39:03BodFatenor nice r-e-ing ;)
20:39:13linuxstbLucky guess.
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20:39:33|Rincewind|does anyone where I have to add code to make a new global setting?
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20:40:47|Rincewind|there is a "know" missing in my last sentence
20:41:33n1s|Rincewind|: I'd guess settings.c and settings_list.c and maybe settings_menu.c
20:41:49bluebrothertried grepping for "global_settings"?
20:42:46GodEaterI see another idiot has posted to the 80GB thread that didn't bother to read the rest of it
20:42:46GodEatersheesh
20:43:10amiconnMaybe it's an attempt to actually make the thread 80GB big? ;)
20:43:19|Rincewind|bluebrother: the output uf that is a little bit too much ^^
20:43:26GodEaterit still has some catching up to do I think
20:43:30GodEaterthe sansa one is HUGE!
20:43:42bluebrothertry struct user_settings in apps/settings.h
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20:44:02bluebrotheryou need to restrict grep to promising files only of course
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20:45:19|Rincewind|I figured out settings.h and settings_list.c but I don't really know what to put in settings.c and if there are more changes needed elsewhere
20:45:40*bluebrother decides to leave uni for today ... seen too much bad code this day :(
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20:45:42linuxstb|Rincewind|: If I was you, I would find a similar setting, and then search the files for references to it.
20:45:54linuxstbAnd then do the same for your new setting.
20:46:24*GodEater watches the Vista launch on TV
20:46:51|Rincewind|that's the way to go, yes. I was just hoping that someone here has added a setting to the new system and can give me a shortcut
20:47:27linuxstbNo, I don't think any new settings have been added since the change.
20:48:11*n1s knows someone who removed a setting tho ;-)
20:48:29|Rincewind|the problem is, there are a lot of function calls in settings.c that apply the settings but I don't know if that means that I have to write a function that does this, too.
20:49:04|Rincewind|they look like this: " spdif_power_enable(global_settings.spdif_enable);"
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20:49:31amiconnDepends on whether your code is apps or firmware
20:49:56amiconnCode in firmware must not access global_settings directly, hence the settings must be applied explicitly
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20:50:26|Rincewind|my code is definatly apps
20:54:40|Rincewind|ok, it looks like the only files I have to make changes to are settings.h and settings_list.c
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21:16:15BiptoNhas anyone takin apart a belkin tunetalk yet or know how to make a jack that tricks the ipud into going to the record screen?
21:17:42linuxstb_Why do you want to trick the Apple firmware? Just finish recording support in Rockbox...
21:18:04BiptoNrecordi with rockbox has alot of noise
21:18:27BiptoNi don't know if it's from the hard drive or other parts
21:18:28linuxstb_Because it's not finished.
21:18:57linuxstb_The code in SVN is no more than a proof-of-concept.
21:19:18linuxstb_There's no gain control, and there's a good chance the ADC isn't configured optimally.
21:19:18BiptoNi'm aware of that dave ;) just curious if anyone has annihilated a tunetalk yet
21:19:46linuxstb_But this is #rockbox...
21:19:58BiptoNit is impressive rb has got recording workin on alot of units, where's the ipodlinux fellas have yet to get working
21:20:18BiptoNgood call sorry for the dumb question here
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21:21:05linuxstb_Do you have a tunetalk? It would be useful to know if it works in Rockbox.
21:21:50BiptoNnah i haven't bothered throwin down that much cash for a dumb little device, i just have the line-in jack i made from the linux gys schematics
21:22:01BiptoNif i do get one i will let you know though
21:22:13BiptoNand then take it apart
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21:31:56BiptoNlinuxstb_: i was told rb supports compact flash, is that right? can i put a cf card in an ipod as a drive replacement and run rb?
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21:34:53ZagorBiptoN: possibly the ata startup ata tests will complain, but otherwise it should work fine
21:35:14BiptoNi tried one in my x5 and it gave an error -11
21:35:17BiptoNhmm
21:35:27BiptoNthat's good i have a 4g with no hd now
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21:36:46ZagorBiptoN: try commenting out various parts of ata.c:init_and_check()
21:37:13BiptoNzagor: alright, thanks for the info, i'll have to try that tonight
21:37:38linuxstbBiptoN: There's some info (and a patch I think) in the wiki by someone who put a CF card in an ipod mini - that may help.
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21:38:17BiptoNthanks linuxstb_
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21:40:20amiconnZagor: Is there a download dir that presents the raw irc log files?
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21:40:57Terinjokesany ipod nano 2GB users?
21:41:02Zagoramiconn: no, there's only the "view raw" link
21:41:25Zagorbut the filenames are pretty predictable :)
21:41:28BiptoNlinuxstb_: do you have an id # of that? I'm not pullin' it up in any searches
21:41:39amiconnHmm. Somehow I need to teach DownThemAll to find the files
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21:42:24preglowTerinjokes: yeah, somewhat
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21:44:02HardDisk_WPdisconnecting...
21:44:27Zagoramiconn: that's the fun of running windows :)
21:45:13amiconnDownThemAll is a firefox plugin, hence platform independent
21:45:52Terinjokesi use DtA on my PPC/Linux system :D
21:46:23Zagormy point was that downloading files daily is a typical cron job. not an applicaiton thing.
21:46:32amiconnI don't download daily
21:46:43ZagorI know - you run windows
21:46:43Bagdercurl -O 'http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-200701[01-29].txt'
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21:47:25amiconnZagor: That has nothing to do with the OS of choice
21:47:35amiconnOn a laptop you can't download daily
21:47:37GodEaterTerinjokes: are you still after a replacement apple firmware file ?
21:47:51TerinjokesGodEater: yes
21:48:04GodEaterhttp://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/
21:48:10amiconnBagder: Hmm, does that back off from downloading files which are already there?
21:48:10GodEaterthey're all available there
21:48:24Bagderamiconn: no it does not, you need to adjust the dates
21:48:43TerinjokesGodEater: which iPod Nano should I be using (is there a difference?)
21:49:25GodEaterNano 1G 17.1.3 I'd guess
21:49:31*Zagor quietly notes that his laptop downloads files daily, but drops the subject
21:49:41GodEaterjust not the 2G of course
21:50:31Terinjokesnaturally, its downloading in ipsw format... is this like a dd'd image or something (i know iTunes uses it... but I don't have iTunes)
21:50:52GodEaterthe .ipsw is a zip file
21:50:52GodEaterunzip it
21:51:04GodEaterTerinjokes: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8069.0
21:51:12GodEaterlinuxstb wrote a nice guide there
21:51:42GodEateronce you've dd'd the unzip firmware to your firmware partition, your ipod will need rebooting - and you need to leave it alone cos it'll immediately do a firmware upgrade
21:51:43*amiconn wonders whether he's the only one who thinks that too much automation is bad
21:52:04*preglow does too
21:52:18*GodEater doesn't
21:52:23*amiconn reminds Zagor of what run away cronjobs can do ;)
21:52:28GodEatertouche
21:52:32Zagorhaha
21:52:55GodEateromgz0r! Th3y h4x0r th3 s1t3!!!
21:53:20*Bagder reminds amiconn how much our cronjobs do
21:54:33Bagdercrontab -l | grep -vc "^#"
21:54:33Bagder21
21:54:36Terinjokesthanks :D
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21:54:55Bagder(on the web site server)
21:55:56amiconnI'm not saying that cronjobs are bad in general
21:57:14*GodEater is very *very* impressed with the gigabeat port
21:57:27amiconnOn a side note, windows has an equivalent of cronjobs. For those hard core commandliners, there's even a command line interface to it: the 'at' command
21:57:45preglowcron does more than at
21:57:48preglowafaik
21:57:51GodEaterwhich is a huge gaping security hole in windows too!
21:57:59Bagderwindows equivalent is rather poor the last time I tried it
21:58:00preglowlike most things
21:58:04*linuxstb_ points to his "manual" download scripts for the logs - http://pastebin.ca/333301
21:58:16GodEaterAdmin rights not enough for you ?!?! Use "at" and you get "SYSTEM" instead!!!
21:59:06Bagder... and linuxstb's script could use curl -z to make it not download already downloaded files...
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21:59:24linuxstb_If I had read the curl manual...
21:59:36GodEaterhehe
21:59:54Bagderhey, there's only a 115 command line options!
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22:00:03GodEatera trifling amount
22:00:05*linuxstb_ expects curl to be able to do the whole script itself
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22:00:56MikachuBagder: the shell can expand the numbers too, {01..29} :)
22:01:09Bagder"the shell" not being portable then...
22:01:17Mikachui even tried it in bash
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22:01:27Bagderbash isn't portable by my standards
22:01:40Mikachuit's what cygwin uses isn't it?
22:01:40Bagderbut sure, some shells do that
22:01:41linuxstb_01..29 doesn't keep the leading zeros though (at least in my bash)
22:01:58BagderMikachu: yes it is
22:02:05Mikachuah, zsh does though :)
22:02:19Mikachuwell never mind then
22:02:20Bagderbut curl runs on a few other systems than cygwin and linux ;-)
22:02:38*Bagder shuts up now
22:03:17Mikachuin a pinch you can {0{1..9},{10..31}}
22:03:48linuxstb_I think it's easier to just type them out manually...
22:04:49Mikachuif you want all 5 years of irclogs i'm not so sure
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22:09:34Terinjokesgrr... can't corrupt the partation table enough for the iPod to accept a new one
22:09:53maquistrying to corrupt the partition table?
22:10:02Terinjokesyeah, so I can fix the ipod
22:10:16Mikachu??
22:10:39Terinjokeslong story...
22:10:57maquisTerinjokes: what platform are you on?
22:11:10linuxstb_Can't you just "dd" a new partition table to it?
22:11:19linuxstb_From http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/
22:11:30Terinjokesnevertheless, whatever I do, i only get '/dev/sda' and '/dev/sda1' (where is the ipod partation!)
22:11:33maquisdoes fdisk work for redoing the partitions?
22:11:52linuxstb_Terinjokes: Are you on Linux or cygwin?
22:12:00Terinjokeslinuxstb: I AM DDing the mbr onto the ipod, it doesn't seem to take effect though...
22:12:07Terinjokeslinuxstb_: GNU/Gentoo
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22:12:23linuxstb_Have you disconnected and then reattached your ipod?
22:12:28Terinjokesyep
22:12:54Terinjokesfdisk shows no partations..
22:13:18linuxstb_What command did you use with dd?
22:13:25linuxstb_s/command/options/
22:15:02Terinjokes'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=10' then after ejecting and repluging 'dd if=Desktop/mbr-ipod-nano.bin of=/dev/sda' and ejecting and replugging
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22:15:42linuxstb_mbr-ipod-nano.bin isn't the correct filename - where did you get the file from?
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22:16:16Terinjokesyeah, the IRC window is above the desktop (moves window) i'm using 'mbr-nano2gb.bin'
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22:16:42amiconnhmm
22:16:54linuxstb_Try deleting it and downloading again. And you only need count=1, not count=10.
22:17:19Mikachuwouldn't count=10 overwrite the fw partition?
22:17:30TerinjokesMikachu: the point...
22:17:32linuxstb_No, there are 62 spare sectors
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22:17:51Terinjokesi haven't gotten to put the firmware partation on the ipod yet (its missing...)
22:17:52linuxstb_(Rockbox used to use one of those sectors for the config block)
22:17:59Mikachuif you want to overwrite the firmware partition, write to sda1
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22:24:32Terinjokeshrm, seems to be writing anyways... (goes to make rockbox
22:24:36Terinjokesipodpatcher*
22:26:12*Terinjokes goes to checkout all of rockbox to build ipodpatcher...
22:26:40Redbrevaapart from tetex-base and tetex-extra, what else do I need to compile manuals? Sims and build make OK, but manuals fail
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22:27:51Bagdertetex-base and tetex-bin here
22:28:24TrueJournalsHey, what's songdbj in svn?
22:28:27Bagderbut I'm not sure what's needed
22:28:40Redbrevagot base, bin and extra :-(
22:28:42amiconnBuilding the html manual is a mostly hit and miss
22:29:10amiconnEven with htlatex installed it may fails with all sorts of error messages
22:29:35RedbrevaI'm trying to get the pdf manual
22:30:02linuxstb_What's the error message you get?
22:30:36RedbrevaThis is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
22:30:49Redbreva! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}.
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22:32:15linuxstb_Which target?
22:32:23Redbrevanano
22:32:48n1sRedbreva: stupid question but do you have the manual source in your tree?
22:33:02Redbrevayes, I can see it..
22:33:27BagderTrueJournals: db generator in java for the old format
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22:34:30linuxstb_Hmm, I could build the manual in the past, but now get the svnversion help text followed by an error about character encoding.
22:34:45linuxstb_I mean an iconv error about bad input sequence
22:35:06Redbrevahmm, svn update and make again - this time I too get the iconv error
22:35:21Redbrevaposition 6664?
22:35:28linuxstb_Yes.
22:35:33linuxstb_Maybe the CREDITS file.
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22:36:21Terinjokescrap, I can't get the iPod bin file onto the ipod
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22:37:10n1slinuxstb_, Redbreva: I can confirm that error here too, worked fine with svn of yesterday, updated and boom.
22:37:17Mikachuwhat clever person came up with perl credits.pl < ../docs/CREDITS | iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1 > $(OBJDIR)/CREDITS.tex ?
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22:37:51sonnybobicheso... rockbox on my 5.5gen ipod seems to randomly freeze. it keeps playing music but doesnt respond to any controls. can't even turn it off
22:37:56ZagorMikachu: looks wrong way around?
22:38:10Mikachui don't know, tex doesn't support utf8
22:38:13Redbrevahmm Jakub Matousek (accent over the s)
22:38:33Mikachubut you can't just convert utf-8 to latin1
22:38:36n1sRedbreva: yes, remove the strange s and you're fine
22:38:44n1sat least I was
22:39:43Redbrevawhich file contains that text?
22:39:46sonnybobicheanyone have an idea whas going wrong with my setup?
22:41:13ZagorMikachu: well, I assume the idea is to get a good result as can be done
22:41:39Mikachui guess you want to transliterate, but i don't know how to do that
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22:43:14RedbrevaOK, found it... it's in Docs not manual - getting the hang of it..
22:43:50Mikachumaybe the safest way would be to maintain a separate latin1 credits file manually
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22:44:12ZagorMikachu: what specifically is wrong with the result of that command? the output looks good to me.
22:44:49MikachuZagor: the problem is apparently that someone with a latin2 name contributed to rockbox and made the command fail :)
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22:45:10maretardhello!
22:45:19Bagdercan't we just ask those countries to stop using those letters? ;-P
22:45:29Mikachuhttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/CREDITS?r1=12158&r2=12159
22:45:32*Zagor runs svn up
22:45:37ZagorMikachu: ahaaa!
22:45:50maretardhey guys, i've got a quick question - does anyone know if the mpegplayer plugin is supposed to be bundled with the H10 20gig firmware? i can't find the plugin o_O
22:46:34linuxstb_Read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - mpegplayer is included, but it's a "viewer" - you just select a .mpg file in the file browser to launch it.
22:46:48Zagorwhen did CREDITS become utf-8 anyway? do we actually use utf8 anywehere?
22:47:05Redbrevaadd Jakub Matou?\197?\161ek to the credits on the front page does tend to suggest it's not a regular character
22:47:27amiconniconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1//translit does the trick
22:47:31maretardaaah i see, thanks, linuxstb_
22:47:48Mikachuaha, so that's how you do it
22:47:54Zagoramiconn: gives a ? for me
22:47:56amiconnZagor: All internal rockbox strings are utf-8
22:48:13Mikachuit would be preferable if it gave an s :)
22:48:15amiconnZagor: Yes, on your console, because your console uses utf-8
22:48:22Zagorno it doesn't
22:48:25amiconnMno
22:48:37amiconnFor some reason it does work here (giving an s)
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22:49:24Mikachui also get a ?
22:49:51ZagorLANG=en_US.ISO-8859-1, LC_ALL=C here
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22:50:12MikachuZagor: you are aware LC_ALL overrides all other LC_ vars?
22:50:15amiconnWithout the //translit I get an error (same as the manual build)
22:50:32ZagorMikachu: yes, all other LC vars are C too anyway
22:50:45ZagorI'm not a big fan of l10n
22:50:50amiconnI tested with iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1 docs/CREDITS
22:51:12Bagderhow about "iconv -f utf-8 -t `locale charmap`//TRANSLIT" ?
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22:51:21amiconnOutputs the whole credits to the console, last line reading Jakub Matousek
22:51:45amiconnBagder: tex needs iso-8859-1 iiuc
22:51:59Mikachuit needs some singlebyte encoding, preferably the same as the rest of the manual
22:52:02Mikachu:)
22:52:34Mikachumaybe iconv is better in windows
22:52:48Zagoramiconn: I get "illegal input sequence at position 4324". iconv v2.3.6
22:53:09amiconnodd
22:53:31amiconnI tried both cygwin and debian now, works fine on both
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22:54:06Zagordebian unstable?
22:54:10amiconnyep
22:54:14amiconniconv 2.3.6
22:54:22Bagderhehe, the very same
22:54:30ZagorI'll run dist-upgrade and see if something changes
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22:54:41amiconncygwin has an older one that doesn't output an own version number
22:54:51amiconn$ iconv −−version
22:54:52amiconniconv (GNU libiconv 1.11)
22:54:56amiconn^^ cygwin version
22:55:08Bagderthey're two different ones, afaiu
22:55:30Bagderfrom libiconv and from glibc
22:55:35amiconnHmm, but both do the trick with //translit here
22:56:44*amiconn fires up his linux vm to try the 3rd system: debian-testing-x86
22:57:26RedbrevaUbuntu 6.10 works with amiconn command too (iconv 2.4)
22:57:58amiconnThe other debian was debian-unstable-amd64 of course
22:58:04Mikachui've tried 5 different systems, doesn't work on any :)
22:58:19Zagortry 'locale -a' and see if you have 8859-2 in the list.
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22:58:54amiconn$ locale -a
22:58:54amiconnbash: locale: command not found
22:59:02amiconncygwin.
22:59:12Mikachuit works with libiconv
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23:00:27preglowbah, charsets
23:00:36pregloweveryone should just use utf8
23:00:46preglowand then forget about the issue
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23:01:20Mikachulatex3 should be out any decade now with utf8 support
23:01:34amiconn//translit works on debian testing as well (iconv 2.3.6)
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23:02:23Mikachuone of the systems i tried is debian, but it doesn't have any 88592 in locale -a output
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23:03:12RedbrevaActually it failed with illegal input sequence - once I remembered to revert the credits file :$
23:03:23Mikachuit seems safe to say it doesn't work everywhere
23:03:43amiconnZagor: No 8859-x locale on either debian box
23:04:27amiconnOnly C, de_DE@euro, de_DE.iso885915@euro, de_DE.utf8 and POSIX
23:04:29Zagorthis is interesting. it's obviously a config issue.
23:04:59amiconnOne of them doesn't have the de_DE.utf8
23:05:06Zagorhmm, I wonrder if 885915 affects this
23:05:16Mikachuamiconn: can you upload /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules somewhere?
23:05:17amiconnI doubt it...
23:05:32amiconnWhy would it work on cygwin then?
23:06:19Mikachuwasn't cygwin the libiconv one? that worked here too, it carries around its own conversion tables
23:06:34amiconnaha
23:06:43amiconnYes, cygwin uses the libiconv version
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23:10:20linuxstb_After an "apt-get install locales-all", my iconv is now working...
23:10:34Mikachui wonder which one did the trick
23:10:53amiconnMikachu: amiconn.dyndns.org/gconv-modules-debian-testing-x86">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/gconv-modules-debian-testing-x86 and http://amiconn.dyndns.org/gconv-modules-debian-unstable-amd64
23:10:55bluebrothertex is ASCII per default, but we use inputenc to be able using latin1
23:11:12bluebrotherthere is also support for utf8 but that's not part of a standard installation
23:11:38bluebrotherbut I'd prefer using utf8 for the manual completely instead of iconv'ing the credits file
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23:12:14Mikachuhm, the gconv-modules thing is probably not it then
23:12:40Mikachumine only has more lines
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23:13:55bluebrotherusing iconv -c might be an easy fix (but breaks the names of course)
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23:14:29amiconnbluebrother: //translit doesn't work for you?
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23:15:09bluebrotherthat works but produces a ? for me
23:15:19amiconnOdd...
23:15:33*bluebrother goes reading the iconv man page
23:16:06Mikachuif they're like other man pages from gnu it will be empty and refer to `info iconv`
23:16:13preglowMikachu: latex does have some utf8 support, no?
23:16:21preglowi'm almost certain i've used utf8 with it
23:16:37Mikachulast time i checked i couldn't find any at least
23:16:46bluebrotherI use utf8 for latex here mostly exclusively
23:17:24bluebrotherhttp://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode
23:17:29amiconnAnyway, replacing that accented s by a plain one would help on target as well (both bitmap targets with the majority of available fonts and the player's charcell display), but perhaps it would in fact be better to make full use of utf-8 instead??
23:17:41Zagoramiconn: a present for you: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/listlogs.pl
23:18:55*bluebrother sed'ed the dates from the table an hour or so ago
23:19:15bluebrotherbut it was ugly as hell, I should learn sed a bit more ;-)
23:19:15amiconnOoh, nice, thanks! :) :bookmarks:
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23:26:20preglowZagor: i think perhaps the nick colours need some capping
23:26:28preglowZagor: reading bright yellow on white isn't easy ;)
23:26:48Zagorheh, yeah
23:27:12preglowthe colour limits would depend on the background colour, but i expect your script knows what that is
23:27:38Zagorfor some reason green seems to be the worst color to max out
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23:29:58Zagorpreglow: I removed background selection to avoid having to recalculate the nick colours
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23:31:49Zagorfor example sonnybiche at 22:39 has a horrible colour, but it's not actually very bright. only #3f5
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23:33:04mattzzhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2162 can be closed, it's obsolete ;)
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23:33:47Mikachudone
23:34:11Zagorso the question is what a good cap algorithm would be. we want the f:s, otherwise all the colors gets gray and bland.
23:34:13mattzzthanks. Another one bites the dust ;)
23:34:29bospaadjehi all, i have installed rockbox on my ipod nano today and i'm having this problem: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199
23:34:38Zagorwe just don't want many f:s on the same nick, especially green
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23:35:10bospaadjecan anyone point me to where i can find the source code to apply the patch to, and instructions on how to build (config options)?
23:35:34Zagorthere is probably massive amounts of research on this somewhere :)
23:36:11Zagorbospaadje: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
23:36:50bluebrotherZagor: is it possible to detect alternate nicks, i.e. with _ or similar at the end?
23:37:03bospaadjeseen that, i don't see where it points me to the source code to apply it to
23:37:04MikachuZagor: does your .pl print nick changes now?
23:37:08Zagorbluebrother: this is perl, everything is possible :)
23:37:10Mikachui don't remember if i said it to you or the ether
23:37:20ZagorMikachu: yes, if you show joins
23:37:27bospaadjethough there is a link to 'using svn' - reading that now
23:38:08bluebrotherthe language that is automatically obfuscating itself? ;-)
23:38:30Zagorbluebrother: unfortunately there's not really a standard for alt nicks. people use nickwork and nicklaptop and whatnot that is impossible to detect
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23:38:38Zagorbluebrother: yeah, it's write-only :)
23:38:39Mikachumissing a space there
23:39:20bluebrotherhmm. But detecting added _ and ^ would be a nice start, wouldn't it? At least quite some use that.
23:39:37Zagorbluebrother: yup
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23:39:50bluebrotheror maybe stripping all characters outside of [a-zA-Z0-9]
23:40:14Zagorespecially since I completely ignore nicks with css-illegal characters. that's why [IDC]Dragon got black, for example.
23:40:20Mikachufreenode has a policy for altnicks but i don't think anyone follows it :)
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23:40:38Zagorsome escape tricks would probably be good for those
23:40:44bluebrotherhmm, I wasn't even aware of that ;-)
23:43:42bospaadjehmm if i understand this correctly i have to download the source through svn, even if I only want to use it myself to apply a patch and build it, right?
23:43:51Soul-SlayerNo.
23:44:07Soul-Slayerhttp://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 Direct link to source
23:44:55bospaadjeis that link on the website somewhere? cause that would mean i've missed it
23:44:55bluebrotheryou need to use svn if you want some older release than the current bleeding edge
23:45:00ZagorMikachu: space added
23:45:15Soul-SlayerIt's with all the bleeding edge builds
23:45:16bluebrotherbospaadje: look at the current build page
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23:45:24Soul-SlayerNamed 'Source archive'
23:45:41bluebrotherthe last "player"
23:46:17bospaadjeah
23:46:36Soapand if you are going to be doing builds on a frequent basis, bospaadje, SVN will download just the new stuff, as opposed to downloading the entire thing every time.
23:47:13bluebrotherhmm, so how should we address the iconv problem? Adding -c as a first fix?
23:47:16bospaadjeyeah, i figured that.. for now i'm just trying this one patch
23:47:31Soul-Slayerbos, may I be nosy and ask which one :P?
23:47:31bluebrotherdoesn't look like there are too much other options
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23:47:57bluebrotherwhich one what?
23:48:09Soul-SlayerWhich patch he is going to apply.
23:48:43bospaadjethe one from this bug report: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199
23:49:27Soul-SlayerAha okay. Good luck :D.
23:50:23bospaadjethnx
23:50:37Soapwait! something other than eyecandy motivating people! what has the world come to?! ;)
23:51:04Soul-SlayerCraziness :o
23:51:23bospaadjeit has succumbed to darkness :)
23:51:35Soul-SlayerThat was very quick work, lool
23:51:37Soul-Slayerlol*
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23:52:14bospaadjewhat was?
23:52:44Soul-SlayerWell, are you referring to your ipod?
23:52:53noodrooghey, im having a problem getting the last.fm logger to work in rockbox for ipod video, when i select 'keep last.fm' log it tells me to reset the ipod, but even when i do that the 'no' option remains selected
23:53:18bospaadjelol, no
23:53:21Soul-SlayerHeh
23:53:28bospaadjemy comment was a reaction to Soap
23:53:39bospaadje'what has the world come to?'
23:53:41Soul-SlayerIf you were, that would be the quickest patching/building/updating job I've ever seen
23:53:42Soul-SlayerHeh :p
23:53:52Soapare you shuting down your ipod cleanly (long press of play)? Or are you doing the hard-reset (menu+select)?
23:54:04Soapnoodroog: ^
23:54:16noodrooger
23:54:18noodrooghard-reset
23:54:23Soapthere you go.
23:54:25Soap;)
23:54:30noodroogit said to reset it...
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23:54:58SoapI /thought/ it said to "restart" it, but if it is saying reset that should be changed.
23:55:07noodroogwell it says reboot
23:55:12noodroogwhich i assumed meant reset :o
23:55:19noodroogtrying it now anyway
23:55:35noodroogaha seems to be working now :)
23:55:36noodroogthanks
23:56:06noodrooganother problem though, every so often my ipod random defaults to the default rockbox settings when i turn it on (eg wiping out the bass and volume settings i had stored), is there a reason for that?
23:56:11noodroog*randomly
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23:57:46bluebrotherdamn, that won't work that easy
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