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#rockbox log for 2007-01-31

00:01:43 Quit tamacracker (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))
00:01:43bluebrotherthere is no locale-all for my distro
00:01:48bospaadjewhat's this arm-elf-gcc compiler i need?
00:02:09bluebrotherit's a gcc that compiles for an arm target
00:02:14bluebrotheralso known as cross-compiler
00:02:21Zagorbluebrother: right, but the fact that locale-all apparently fixed it (haven't tried myself) indicates the problem is a missing locale
00:02:53safetydannoodroog, do you have the hold switch on when you turn on your iPod?
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00:03:05safetydanIIRC that causes a settings reset.
00:03:56bluebrotherhmm. /usr/lib/locale has 376 entries ...
00:04:29Zagorbluebrother: what is your distro?
00:04:47bluebrotherFedora, Core 5 currently
00:05:03bluebrothericonv (GNU libc) 2.4
00:05:11noodroog<safetydan> noodroog, do you have the hold switch on when you turn on your iPod?
00:05:13bluebrotheris there anything newer around? Haven't checked yet
00:05:16noodroogyeah i probably do it by mistake
00:05:20noodroogis there any way to turn that off?
00:06:26safetydannoodroog, no. It's a feature.
00:06:27 Quit ender` (" Your Mom is so dumb that she tried to minimize a 12 variable function to a minimal sum of products expression using a karnau)
00:06:28Soul-Slayernoodroog: Not as far as I know, it's used as a failsafe way to clear your config settings without being connected to a computer or anything, any corruptions without it could be a bad idea :P
00:07:10***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:07:50noodroogah ok, thanks then
00:08:20Soul-SlayerJust be sure to check you have hold off before trying to boot ^^
00:09:08Mikachui have a patch that disables settings reset on hold if the headphone cable is also in
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00:12:31noodroogmikachu - ive not had much luck with patches so far, cant get them to compile :/
00:12:48noodroog(the same erm-elf-gcc thing something mentioned above, only under cygwin)
00:13:05Mikachuthat would be the compiler
00:13:12Mikachuan essential part of compiling
00:13:35noodroogwell yeah but i have gcc and ive looked through all the cygwin packages and cant find anything called that
00:13:57Mikachuinstead of doing that you can read the instructions on the wiki
00:14:25bospaadjeindeed, just found this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
00:14:50bospaadjevery helpful, especially the gentoo part (for me (gentoo-user)) :)
00:15:38noodroogheh, thanks
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00:19:50bluebrotherI'm off for some sleep. If the daily manual breaks we will notice ... and if not I can find a solution on my side later
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00:21:18n1ssafetydan: hi, just wanted to tell you that i wont have any time for the lang cleanup this week but will probably take after the weekend.
00:21:30n1stake a look
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00:23:06safetydann1s, no worries
00:24:35dantjeHi. I just downloaded rockbox current for my Sansa e250 plus fonts, then unzipped both files to the root dir of the Sansa, unplugged USB and power-cycled. No visible change. Did I miss something?
00:24:59TrueJournalsYou need to download the bootloader
00:25:06TrueJournalsLook in the manual for instructions
00:25:26TrueJournals( http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 )
00:25:31Zagordantje: and READ the instructions carefully! lost of sansa owners are sloppy and brick their players!
00:25:57dantjeOk, will do. Thanks. I'll RTFM myself in the corner...
00:26:12TrueJournalsunfortunately... the manual's 2.2.3. Installing the boot loader section seems to be empty
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00:27:15TrueJournalsGo here for instructions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install
00:27:34n1sMaybe because the sansa port doesn't have sound yet no-one thought non-dev people would install it?
00:27:47TrueJournalslol
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00:28:05TrueJournalsyeah, looking at the status page, it seems like the sansa port is in a VERY early stage
00:28:30TrueJournalsdantje: you might want to hold off on installing for now... follow the port, and wait till it's actually.. well.. useable :-\
00:28:31dantjeAh yes, the devenv is compiling in the other window :-)
00:28:58TrueJournalsah, so you are a dev?
00:30:23dantjeWell, never did something with rockbox, but I manage to make a living of developing software...
00:30:49TrueJournalsI see
00:32:36heavylaythecrownanyone here use the mpegplayer plugin for an ipod?
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00:32:49heavylaythecrownor know much about it..
00:33:26TrueJournalsnot for an iPod... but I might be able to help anyway :-\
00:34:04TrueJournalsactually, nevermind... I gotta go
00:34:06heavylaythecrownwell im interested.. it sounds glitchy. should i just stick to switching to the ipod firmware for now or does it work wellenough?
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00:34:10heavylaythecrownno!
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00:36:10preglowso it is possible to actually brick the sansas ?
00:40:28scorcheZagor: you rang me a bit ago?
00:40:52Zagoryeah have you looked into the cloak list yet?
00:41:35Zagorpreglow: apparently yes. the recovery mode, ironically, allows you to really destroy it.
00:41:42scorchei have...i sent a mail to staff@freenode.net (staffers said that would be the easiest), but that sint know really knows for replying in a timely manner
00:42:26scorches/sint know really know/isnt really known
00:42:29scorcheeek...
00:43:22 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk)
00:44:13Zagorwell, we're not in a hurry anyway.
00:47:00linuxstb_heavylaythecrown: Do you have an ipod video?
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00:52:36zylcheisn't rockbox meant to play aac encoded sound files? :/
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00:54:44heavylaythecrownlinuxstb_: yes
00:54:47safetydanzylche, I believe so
00:55:17zylcheohh, and I keep getting "incompatible model" coming up, upgraded the correct model [ipod video] to the latest version
00:55:21zylche<.<
00:56:03safetydanzylche, you haven't upgrade properly then. Make sure you overwrite rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder
00:56:36*zylche removes the folder and file and re-extracts them
00:56:38linuxstb_heavylaythecrown: Then forget mpegplayer, it's designed for devices without special video decoding hardware. You should stick to the Apple firmware.
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00:56:51maretardhey everybody, just wondering, how do you apply a patch?!?
00:57:08TrueJournalsmaretard: What OS are you running?
00:57:13heavylaythecrownbut does mpegplayer allow me to play video on the rockbox side?
00:57:24safetydanmaretard, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
00:57:35maretardiriver h10 20gig, latest daily build of rockbox
00:57:41maretardsweet, thanks a bunch!
00:57:49linuxstb_Yes, but not using the ipod video's video decoding hardware, so it is nowhere near as good as the Apple firmware.
00:58:14heavylaythecrownjust out of curiosity, why isnt video supported yet? is it hard to implement?
00:58:22maretardoh btw, i managed to get video working on my h10, but the framerate lags behind the audio like a MOTHER
00:58:31maretardis there any setting i can configure for this?
00:58:53maretardapparently i'm supposed to apply a patch enabling my second core to decode the video, but that's why i need to apply the patch first ^_^
00:59:17TrueJournalsmaretard: Not really.. the kernel_on_cop patch should help a little, but mpegplayer is still very buggy
00:59:24linuxstb_heavylaythecrown: Assuming that you're asking why Rockbox doesn't use the ipod video's undocumented video decoding chip, it's because it's undocumented.
00:59:32TrueJournalsYou might want to change the skip frames setting in mpegplayer to On
00:59:47maretardi am skipping frames, but then the video is barely viewable
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00:59:54maretardit's like 0.5 fps T_T
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01:00:22TrueJournalsThen the kernel_on_cop patch should help
01:00:27heavylaythecrownlinuxstb_: does ipodlinux support video playback?
01:00:29markunmaretard: buy a Gigabeat :)
01:00:33maretardok, i'm looking at the patch manual, but how am i supposed to apply it?
01:00:36maretardhahahaha :D
01:00:41linuxstb_maretard: You need the kernel_on_cop patch for anything like reasonable playback.
01:00:45TrueJournalsIf you want, I can make a build for you real quick (I have everything downloaded)
01:00:50maretardoh sweet
01:01:00maretardthat would be awesome!
01:01:00TrueJournalsjust give me like 5 minutes...
01:01:07maretardcoolcool, no problem! :D
01:01:27linuxstb_heavylaythecrown: It has video playback similar to Rockbox - i.e. not using the ipod video's video decoder.
01:01:51linuxstb_I'm not sure if the IPL video player even works on the ipod video.
01:02:08linuxstb_(I think it's just the Nano and Photo/Color)
01:02:23heavylaythecrownlinuxstb_: ok. so what is the best program to use to convert videos to an acceptable ipod format? ive had trouble in the past
01:02:42linuxstb_No idea - that's not a question for #rockbox
01:02:53heavylaythecrownk thanks
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01:09:55maretardhas everyone stopped talking, or has my internet timed out?
01:10:05TrueJournalseveryone's stopped talking
01:10:07markunstopped talking
01:10:08maretardah haha
01:10:08bospaadjethey stopped talking
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01:10:12maretardlolol
01:10:18maretardstill building, TJ? :D
01:10:22TrueJournalsyup
01:10:25TrueJournalsalmost done
01:10:28maretardthanks a bunch, man
01:10:56maretardpatching is such a big hassle when you just want to apply one and get out of the maze of manuals and infodocs safely :D
01:10:56bospaadjedamn, i built the wrong crosscompiler
01:11:11bospaadjei'm in for some waiting again :S
01:11:22maretardwithout all the compilation/codewriting stuff T_T
01:11:30TrueJournalsheh
01:11:41TrueJournalsbrb
01:11:47maretardhaha k
01:12:43TrueJournalsok, back
01:12:49TrueJournalsdarn samba...
01:13:04maretardsamba?
01:13:04maretard?
01:13:20daurnimatorhi all
01:13:27TrueJournalsfilesharing program to share files between linux and windows
01:13:27maretardhola
01:13:31maretardahh
01:13:34maretardyou're on linux?
01:13:40TrueJournalsI'm using a virtual machine to compile rockbox (linux running in windows)
01:13:48maretardah, i see
01:13:59TrueJournalsso, to get files from the virtual machine to windows and give it to you... I need samba working
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01:14:04TrueJournalssometimes it decides to not work
01:14:06maretardand it's not :D
01:14:13maretardhehe
01:14:22maretardwell i've gotta go eat
01:14:25TrueJournalsok
01:14:27maretardso could you zip it up and email it to me?
01:14:30TrueJournalsyes
01:14:31maretardmaretard@gmail.com
01:14:37maretardthanks a zillion, man!
01:14:41TrueJournalsnp
01:14:44maretardttyl!
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01:15:07MikachuTrueJournals: maybe you'd have more luck with an ftp server :)
01:15:40zylcheweird, "Save Failed" <new line> "No Partition" appeared on my ipod just there when I was listening to song..
01:15:42TrueJournalswell... I have an FTP server that I can run on my machine... but I don't think I have anything for ftp in vmware
01:15:50TrueJournalsnevermind
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01:22:48TrueJournalsyes! It worked!
01:22:49TrueJournals:-p
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01:36:11TrueJournalsGMAIL IS PISSING ME OFF
01:36:17maretardLOL
01:36:19maretardhow so?
01:36:57TrueJournalsit won't let me send you the files
01:37:09TrueJournalsI'm going to upload them to rapidshare.com if that's OK with you...
01:38:49TrueJournalsOK, go to http://rapidshare.com/files/14175732/RockboxKernelonCOP-Zipped.zip to get the files
01:38:56maretardsweet, man
01:39:14maretardthanks!!!
01:39:18TrueJournalsin the zip is rockbox.zip and H10_20GC.mi4. Put H10_20GC.mi4 in your system folder, and extract rockbox.zip to the base directory of your player
01:39:18maretarduhh
01:39:19TrueJournalsnp
01:39:23maretardah i see
01:39:27TrueJournalslol
01:39:29maretardso it's like a totally new build of rockbox
01:39:35TrueJournalsyeah
01:39:36maretardwhat happens when i update RB though?
01:39:45TrueJournalsthen you will lose the patch :-\
01:40:03Soapthe you learn to patch yourself! ;)
01:40:06maretardT__T
01:40:12maretardsighhh
01:40:13preglowD:
01:40:19maretardlooks like i'll be forced to join the dev horde T_T
01:40:30*Soap is no dev.
01:40:32maretardwhat's so good about updates anyway?
01:40:36maretard:D
01:40:47bospaadjeyou get new stuff
01:40:56bospaadjeshiny!
01:40:58bospaadje:P
01:40:59maretardlike...?
01:41:19SoapI thought you were joking about updating.
01:41:19maretarduhhhhh
01:41:21maretardtruejournals
01:41:26maretardrockbox.zip is corrupt
01:41:26bospaadjeuh.. new features/improvements
01:41:30maretard ah
01:41:47Mikachuit might even include the patch you're trying to use
01:41:52maretardsweet
01:41:54SoapThere is stability, battery life, new pluggins, new features, better menus, what more could you get w/o a new player?
01:42:14maretardhahaha
01:42:22maretardoh well
01:42:26maretardi guess i'll have to learn then ^_^
01:42:40bospaadjemaretard, i'm doing so right now ;)
01:42:51Soapif you realized how recent some of the coolest things were....
01:43:00maretardlke?
01:43:01maretardlike*
01:43:06bospaadjeIn my case, it involves lots of waiting for arm-elf-gcc to finish compiling
01:43:11maretardah
01:43:18maretard* clueless * :D
01:43:35Mikachubospaadje: it's faster if you don't use -O3 ;)
01:43:48bospaadjei don't, i think it's -O2
01:43:50maretardsigh
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01:43:58*bospaadje checks
01:44:02maretarddoes anyone have an IRIVER H10 20GIG that can play video with a good FPS?
01:44:40barrywardellmaretard: i got the fps that are shown on the PluginMpegplayer page
01:45:01maretardholy crap
01:45:04Soul-SlayerIs the Kernel on COP patch still flawed?
01:45:08maretarddunno
01:46:17maretardanybody there?
01:46:40maretard...
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01:46:58maretardwell
01:47:00barrywardellSoul-Slayer: there are problems on the H10
01:47:05maretardargh
01:47:07barrywardelldunno about other targets
01:47:14maretardwhat's wrong with the h10?
01:47:33maretardlow processing power?
01:47:36barrywardellsomething to do with setting the cpu frequency
01:47:39maretardah
01:47:47barrywardellit probably affects other targets too
01:47:47maretardwell i've noticed that the H's tend to be weak as hell
01:47:54maretardrockbox actually LAGS on mine
01:48:04barrywardellthe h10 has the same processing power as the ipods
01:48:09maretardreally??
01:48:11bospaadjehmm that pluginmpegplayer page looks promising for my ipod nano, i might try that out soon
01:48:14maretardwow O_O
01:48:14Soul-SlayerIt's practically the same thing
01:48:18maretardwell anyway
01:48:19maretardi g2g
01:48:22maretardswim team ^_^
01:48:22barrywardellyes, they even have the same processor
01:48:28SoapKoCOP #7 still makes my ipod lag.
01:48:29Soul-SlayerThe similarities between ipods and H10s are incredible, lol
01:48:30maretardi'll see if i can learn how to patch
01:48:36maretardi'll tty guys later
01:48:39maretardpeace :P
01:48:39Soul-SlayerGoodbye.
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01:49:07Soul-SlayerSoap: Does it lower performance for you with the patch applied?
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01:49:28Soapyes, which is why I still remove 12120 and then apply KoCOP#6
01:50:22Soul-SlayerAnd that results in an increase in performance?
01:50:51Soapback to where things were before 12120
01:51:17Soul-SlayerWould you mind telling me what 12120 is?
01:51:20Soapbut you should try both ways and see if KoCOP#7 causes problems.
01:51:46SoapSVN commit #12120, the cleanup of playback.c which broke KoCOP#6
01:51:56Soul-SlayerAhh right, gotcha.
01:52:15barrywardellSoap: there is one thing that I see I changed (not really intentionally) in KoCOP#7
01:52:32barrywardelli put voice_thread_start in IRAM
01:52:43barrywardellyou could try removing it and see if it changes anything
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01:53:18Soapjust clip that one line?
01:53:21TrueJournalsbarrywardell: do you have any idea why kernel_on_cop_7 and the scrolling margins patch together would cause my H10 to just suddenly reset after debug info is shown?
01:53:55barrywardellSoap: just remove the IDATA_ATTR from it
01:54:08Soapok
01:54:31barrywardellSoap: I can't see how it would make much difference, but you never know...
01:55:03barrywardellTrueJournals: I don't know about scrolling margins, but I know kernel_on_cop had problems with the ipod_set_cpu_frequency function
01:55:29TrueJournalsok, maybe I'll try removing that and see if it solves the problem..
01:55:30Soap#7 makes the iPod 5th gen. bog down dramaticly, Llorean confirms on his Nano.
01:55:48bospaadjejust curious, wat is kernel_on_cop?
01:56:13Soul-Slayerbospaadje: Takes advantage of the dual processors and loads the kernel from the coprocessor
01:56:14TrueJournalsthe PP5020 cpu has two cores... kernel_on_cop allows you to use both cores of the cpu
01:56:29bospaadjeah
01:56:55Soul-SlayerCurrently however it seems flawed, in the way it makes things slower, completely the wrong effect
01:57:31bospaadjei gathered that much :)
01:57:35Soul-SlayerHeh
01:58:12barrywardellTrueJournals: remove it from system_init() in firmware/system.c
01:58:35TrueJournalsok
01:58:35Soul-SlayerTo be honest, this is the one commit I have truly been looking forward to, full performance would be great :p.
01:58:45Soul-SlayerOr atleast, enhanced performance.
01:59:53Soul-SlayerOh curse this 6gb H10 and it's stupidly small screen...
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02:00:06*Genre9mp3 dances the "yet another new game plugin" dance
02:00:08Soapmeh - it is a _music_ player
02:00:17Soul-SlayerTrue enough
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02:01:14barrywardellSoul-Slayer: small screen=less time spent by the cpu updating it
02:01:19barrywardellso it's not all bad
02:01:34Soul-SlayerI suppose so, yes.
02:02:41Soul-SlayerHas frozen out a lot of the plugins that could have been perfectly viable however, annoying, but of course, can't have everything. I am just glad it was ported to the H10 at all :p
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02:03:29barrywardellsome people are doing work on adapting plugins to the smaller screen. there have been a few new ones recently
02:03:44Soul-SlayerYes, I noticed the RockBoy one, that was a nice addition
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02:05:35TrueJournalsyeah, I just recently saw the rockboy one too
02:05:42TrueJournalsyay rockboy :-D
02:05:47Soul-SlayerHeh
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02:05:56TrueJournalstoo bad it's slow and the sound is really... messed up...
02:06:03Soul-SlayerHaha, yes, too true.
02:06:15Soul-SlayerAnd the text is hard to read (On the 5/6gb model that is)
02:06:23barrywardellSoul-Slayer: have you tried rockboy on your H10? I was hoping someone would test to see if they could reproduce my bug...
02:06:26Soul-SlayerBut that's due to it being scaled of course
02:06:31Soul-SlayerYes, I have rockboy on my H10
02:06:52TrueJournalstext isn't that bad to read on 20 GB
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02:07:09barrywardellSoul-Slayer: you get the same crash i do?
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02:07:35Soul-SlayerI did read through your problem, and I have no trouble changing my scaling to other options
02:07:45Soul-SlayerI shall try again however, give me a moment.
02:08:42Soul-SlayerOkay, loading ROM.
02:09:06barrywardelltry loading a rom. entering the menu. change a settting, then back out of the menu
02:09:12Soul-SlayerMenu -> Options -> Changed 'Max Frameskip' to 3 max rather than 4 max
02:09:15barrywardellit's not just changing scaling that causes it
02:09:25Soul-SlayerHit the back button... Still playing my ROM
02:09:35Soul-SlayerI trust you have tried other ROMs?
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02:10:40Soul-SlayerRe-entered options to turn that infernal racket it calls 'sound' off, hit back to leave the main menu and still playing
02:10:46barrywardelli tried two roms
02:11:03barrywardellso it's just on 20GB then
02:11:15Soul-SlayerInteresting... TrueJournals, you have the 20GB model I believe? Do you get this problem?
02:11:18barrywardellTrueJournals: have you experienced my bug?
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02:11:56TrueJournalsno, I haven't
02:12:12Soul-SlayerHow strange...
02:12:39Soul-SlayerDid you patch it yourself True, or use the mini build on misticriver?
02:12:46TrueJournalspatched it myself
02:12:51Soul-SlayerHmm
02:13:15Soul-SlayerCan only imagine you are both using different SVN's
02:13:19TrueJournalsI'm building another build right now without the ipod_set_cpu_frequency as barry suggested... I'll try again when this is done
02:13:24Soul-SlayerAnd something recently messed up
02:13:29Soul-SlayerOkay.
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02:13:31barrywardellmaybe it's just the two roms i have
02:13:42Soul-SlayerHmm.
02:13:56barrywardellSoul-Slayer: it only happens the first time i run rockboy after powering on
02:14:38Soul-SlayerI literally powered on and went straight into a ROM to test, so I imagine it would be the same scenario you are having in this case
02:14:57Soul-SlayerCan only be your ROMs
02:15:01Soul-SlayerI think :p
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02:16:24barrywardelli'll try some different ones
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02:17:57Soul-SlayerThey definitely have the .gb or .gbc extension?
02:18:18barrywardellyup
02:18:24barrywardelland they run fine otherwise
02:18:30Soul-SlayerHm
02:18:31barrywardellwell, slow, but fine
02:18:39Soul-SlayerSlow is to be expected I guess
02:19:46barrywardelluntil someone optimises
02:20:07TrueJournalsI commended out the ipod_set_cpu_frequency and now scrolling is really jaggy... it'll scroll like 5 files, pause, scroll, pause...
02:20:20Soul-SlayerOuch
02:20:25TrueJournalsand it says there's disk activity...
02:20:45TrueJournalseverything seems to be responding WAY slower...
02:21:08TrueJournalsit's taking quite a while to boot up...
02:21:31TrueJournalsbut, the resetting bug was solved... so it seems to be something with ipod_set_cpu_frequency
02:21:44Soul-SlayerI must leave. Best of luck with the KoCOP and Rockboy Barry and True.
02:21:56barrywardellbye Soul-Slayer
02:22:02TrueJournalssee ya
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02:22:31barrywardellTrueJournals: it's probably running at a slow cpu frequency now
02:22:40TrueJournalsI would say so :-p
02:22:53TrueJournalsit's actually loading rockboy right now...
02:22:59TrueJournalsand loading...
02:23:26barrywardelli had some success when i wrote my own ipod_set_cpu_frequency based of my cpufreq4 patch
02:25:10TrueJournalsthere was somewhere in debug where I'm able to specify CPU boosting.. where is that?
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02:26:44TrueJournalsIf I go to debug −−> View HW info, it just shows a blank screen. Is that supposed to happen?
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02:27:46barrywardellTrueJournals: i only gives the option to boost when frequency scaling is enabled
02:27:58TrueJournalsah
02:28:07barrywardellhere's the version of ipod_set_cpu_frequency() that worked for me before: http://pastebin.ca/333681
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02:28:24TrueJournalsthanks... I'll try that
02:28:33barrywardellyou could try using it and putting the call back into system_init()
02:29:19TrueJournalsI'll try...
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02:34:24TrueJournalsok... rebuilding...
02:34:58TrueJournalssystem.c: In function 'ipod_set_cpu_frequency':
02:34:58TrueJournalssystem.c:774: error: 'PLL_CONTROL' undeclared (first use in this function)
02:34:58TrueJournalssystem.c:774: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
02:34:58DBUGEnqueued KICK TrueJournals
02:34:58TrueJournalssystem.c:774: error: for each function it appears in.)
02:34:58TrueJournalssystem.c:789: error: 'CLK_SRC' undeclared (first use in this function)
02:34:59***Alert Mode level 1
02:34:59TrueJournalssystem.c:789: error: 'CLK_SRC_24MHZ' undeclared (first use in this function)
02:35:01***Alert Mode level 2
02:35:01TrueJournalssystem.c:839: error: 'CLK_SRC_PLL' undeclared (first use in this function)
02:35:03TrueJournalsmake[1]: *** [/home/user/rockbox-20070128/h10-build/firmware/system.o] Error 1
02:35:05TrueJournalsmake: *** [all] Error 2
02:35:31barrywardellah, ok. you need a bit more. hang on a sec...
02:35:42TrueJournalsok
02:37:11barrywardellhttp://pastebin.ca/333695
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02:37:34barrywardelli'm not sure if that patch will apply cleanly, but it should be easy to resolve any conflits
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02:37:38barrywardellconflicts
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02:37:52TrueJournalsok
02:40:51TrueJournalsapplied cleanly actually... except for the COP_HI_INT_STAT stuff which was already in there :-p
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02:41:04barrywardellcool
02:41:10TrueJournalsok, now it's working...
02:41:24TrueJournals(well, it's building)
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02:47:54TrueJournalsbuilding is a bit slow right now...
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02:49:32bospaadjei applied this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199 (fix-lcdshutdown3.patch) to the current build, it produces the error:
02:49:55bospaadje/home/rick/tijdelijk/rockbox-bleeding/build/librockbox.a(powermgmt.o): In function `shutdown_hw':
02:49:55bospaadjepowermgmt.c:(.text.shutdown_hw+0x138): undefined reference to `lcd_shutdown'
02:49:55bospaadjecollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
02:50:41Mikachudo you have an ipod mini 2g?
02:50:50bospaadjenope, ipod nano
02:50:55bospaadjebut i have the same problem
02:51:03Mikachuwell, then that patch isn't for you
02:51:10Mikachuit's a completely different lcd driver
02:51:58bospaadjeI was hoping it would work for ipod nano as well (as was the author of the patch apparently)
02:53:02Mikachuwell, it obviously won't work for ipod nano since the code he changed isn't even compiled for the nano :)
02:53:24bospaadjeuh, his latest version does
02:54:01bospaadje"#if defined(IPOD_MINI) || defined(IPOD_MINI2G) || defined(IPOD_COLOR) || define
02:54:02bospaadjed(IPOD_NANO) || defined(IPOD_3G) || defined(IPOD_4G)"
02:54:10Mikachuno, it doenst
02:54:17Mikachuthat ifdef is incorrect
02:54:35Mikachuhe probably didn't notice that lcd-ipod.c has two parts, one for bw and one for color ipods
02:55:03bospaadjeoh, so that's why it has an undefined reference
02:55:10bospaadjemakes sense
02:55:18Mikachuand the colors has a completely different chip, so the same code will most likely not work there
02:56:15bospaadje:(
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02:58:31bospaadjeI'll comment on the bug report mentioned above, hopefully someone will look into it
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03:00:34TrueJournalsbarrywardell: I just got the new version onto my h10, but it still seems slow...
03:00:51TrueJournalsdo I need to recompile the bootloader too?
03:01:44barrywardellpossibly. it's worth a try. it could be that there is something in the playback.c changes either
03:02:08TrueJournalsok, let me do that..
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03:05:08bospaadjeMikachu, thanks for the help
03:05:12bospaadjeI'm off to sleep
03:10:06TrueJournalsbaryywardell: booting with new bootloader... and it still seems slow...
03:10:34TrueJournalsyup, still slow, and harddrive activity icon is still like eternally on
03:11:48TrueJournalsI gotta go right now... I'll be back in like 10 - 20 minutes
03:11:52barrywardellhmmm. is it only slow while reading from disk?
03:12:02barrywardelli'm off to sleep now
03:12:11barrywardelllet me know if you discover anything else
03:12:13TrueJournalsit's slow when doing everything
03:12:15TrueJournalsok
03:12:18TrueJournalssee ya
03:12:21barrywardellbye
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03:24:00perldiverhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6326
03:24:07perldiveri concur
03:24:19perldiverthere's an "artifact"
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03:33:35bospaadjehmm mpegplayerplugin works, but after some time (i'd guess about 3 mins), the audio stops, and it doesn't respond to anything but menu+select reboot. the video keeps playing though.
03:34:26bospaadjewhatever.. need sleep
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03:37:43adam1302hi does anyone know where i can download the rockboy plugin for my sansa
03:37:45sonnybobicheumm rockbox on my video ipod keeps freezing and not responding to control for hours. i cant even turn it off
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03:38:22sonnybobichebut it keeps playing music
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03:39:21sonnybobichelike... i can get the backlight to turn on... but i can't change the volume or skip tracks or anything like that
03:39:26sonnybobichescreen doesnt update
03:39:40sonnybobichebeen happening for several builds now
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03:42:39adam1302does anyone know where i can download the rockboy plugin for my sansa
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03:43:11TrueJournalsI don't think they've ported it to sansa yet
03:43:21TrueJournalsso you can't get it... if you could, it would come with rockbox
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03:44:51TrueJournalsalthough, since there's not even audio support on the sansa port... I don't see why you'd want rockbox on it at this point...
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03:47:52TrueJournalsyour welcome...
03:47:59TrueJournals*you're...
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03:51:54deejay-fuzionhey
03:51:58deejay-fuziontruejournals
03:51:59deejay-fuzionthere?
03:52:14TrueJournalshey
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03:52:25TrueJournalsyeah, sorry, wasn't watching the window :-p
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03:52:41deejay-fuzionnp
03:52:46deejay-fuzionread PM
03:53:14TrueJournalsdidn't get a PM... O_o
03:54:02scorcheyou have to be registered with nickserv to send a pm
03:54:07deejay-fuzionok
03:54:11scorcheunless the person you sent it to allows it
03:54:11deejay-fuzionnow read o_O
03:54:17scorchewhich is not the default
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03:54:20deejay-fuzionohh
03:54:31TrueJournalshow do I change my setting then?
03:54:41TrueJournalsah, got it
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04:31:50maretardyo truejournals
04:31:52maretardyou there?
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04:32:22TrueJournalsyeah, I
04:32:27TrueJournals*I'm here
04:32:52maretarduh yeah
04:32:58maretardthat zip file was corrupted
04:32:58thanatonauteHi. I bricked my Sansa e200 after installing hebrew beta, and am trying to Mr. H's e200 tools under Ubuntu
04:33:04maretardNICE! :D
04:33:14TrueJournalshm... the whole zip file, or the rockbox.zip?
04:33:19maretardanyway, that zip file was corrupted, i could extract the big file but the zip file inside the zip file was corrupted
04:33:21maretardrockbox.zip
04:33:33TrueJournalshold on a second...
04:33:34thanatonauteI am using "gcc -o e200tool e200tool.c -lusb" to compile using the latest release of the source, but it won't compile :(
04:33:39maretardkk
04:34:16TrueJournalshmm.. you're right
04:34:20maretardyep ^_^
04:34:24maretardunexpected end of archive
04:34:29TrueJournalsunfortunately... I have to go right now so I can't get you a good version
04:34:34TrueJournalswell... maybe I can
04:34:34maretardcool, s'all good
04:34:37maretardo_O?
04:34:49TrueJournals*goes as fast as I can...*
04:34:52maretardit's okay, take your time, i won't die without video hahahahaaha
04:34:56TrueJournalslol
04:35:07thanatonauteIs there a tutorial on using e200tools to unbrick Sansa e200? THANKS.
04:35:34TrueJournalssorry, don't know about the sansa port :-\
04:38:11thanatonauteah.. thanks :)
04:38:21maretardnp ^_^
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04:40:26TrueJournalsOK, uploading GOOD rockbox.zip
04:41:07TrueJournalshttp://rapidshare.com/files/14190353/rockbox.zip - try that
04:41:21maretardah sweet
04:41:21maretardh/o
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04:41:43maretardagh i hate the 30 second wait T_T
04:41:45maretard* grumbles * :D
04:41:54TrueJournalslol
04:42:47TrueJournalsOK, well, now I gotta go
04:42:57TrueJournalsI was just able to extract the file though, so you should have no problem
04:42:58TrueJournalssee ya
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04:43:04maretardcool
04:43:07maretardthanks man
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04:51:54G|iTch_i have a question for the gigabeat users
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04:53:53GliTch_i have a question for the gigabeat users
04:53:55GliTch_just loaded rb and it comes up to a screen that says "hold menu when booting for rescue mode" is rb loaded and what do i need to do next or did i screw up?
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04:54:38GliTch_at the bottom it says rockbox error -1
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05:00:48sonnybobicheguess you didnt extract the actual rockbox files to ur gigabeat
05:01:10sonnybobicheread the beginning part of the manual
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06:08:24daurnimatorJdGordon: ping
06:12:56KCCdaurnimator: pong
06:13:11daurnimator?
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06:45:53daurnimatorJdGordon: ping!
06:46:50midkayoh, me too: JdGordon, wake up.
06:47:55JdGordonhey
06:48:05JdGordonmidkay: wake up? its 5pm here :p
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06:48:25midkayJdGordon: haha.
06:48:32midkayJdGordon: something i need to bug you about..
06:48:40JdGordonshooot
06:48:48midkaysince your cfg-file-instead-of-cfg-sector change, my hardware EQ crap is no longer saved.
06:49:07JdGordonoh?
06:49:08midkayand i have to reload a config manually to get it to go into effect, temporarily. i could fix this i guess, with fixed.cfg, but.. it's a bug nevertheless.
06:49:20midkayi guess you just overlooked it?
06:50:29JdGordonwhich settings?
06:51:10midkayall the hardware eq ones.
06:51:19midkaygain, cutoff..
06:51:44JdGordonsoftware eqs save ok tho?
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06:52:46midkayi haven't tried.
06:52:48midkayi don't use it.
06:52:58midkayhardware eq is the same thing, but doesn't suck CPU. :)
06:53:05JdGordonhmm.... ok they apear to save coreclty here... so tey must work
06:53:08JdGordonhw eq tho....
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06:53:37JdGordonunless #ifdef HAVE_WM8758 is wrong?
06:53:46JdGordonI dont see why they wouldnt work
06:53:53JdGordon... mean from a quick glance
06:53:59midkaythat seems wrong...
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06:54:07midkayhw eq only works on 5G as far as i know.
06:54:16midkayisn't that ifdef for an archos chip?
06:54:48midkayoh, that is right.
06:54:49khalsaanyone here willing to (privatly) help me with h10 non-rockbox related issues?
06:54:50JdGordonno... the wm is definatly right.... dunno if that is the right version tho
06:55:05midkay8758 is right..
06:55:16midkayhttp://www.rockbox.org/since25.html
06:55:21midkay14 Aug 2006 10:52
06:55:58JdGordonare the settings written to the config file wrongly? or not at all?
06:56:03midkayi mean.. you know what i'm saying, right? they aren't actually *saved* to the config file. they were saved to the config sector when it existed.
06:56:22midkaythey load and work fine from an alternate cfg file, but they just aren't saved correctly (at all?)
06:56:32midkay.. in the new config file loaded at startup.
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06:57:29midkayhm.
06:57:40midkaylooks to me like perhaps the gain settings are not saved, but the cutoffs are.
06:59:41JdGordonHA! found the possible problem
06:59:47JdGordonfull of typos :p
06:59:54midkayhaha.
06:59:57JdGordonserves me right for coding after midnight i guess
06:59:57midkayyou clumsy.
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07:00:03JdGordoncopy/paste errors
07:00:04JdGordonyeah
07:00:07midkaybetter run a spellcheck on the entire source.. :)
07:00:25JdGordonhehe na there is 0's instead of 4 and 3
07:00:29JdGordonill fix that now
07:00:45midkaycool, then i can test it.
07:00:48JdGordononly 3 mistakes
07:02:03JdGordonmidkay: you want a patch?
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07:02:55midkayyou can just commit it if you want.
07:03:41JdGordonI could... but if it doesnt fix all the problems there isnt any point
07:03:52midkayit
07:03:53JdGordonjdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/hweqfix.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/hweqfix.patch
07:03:59midkayit'll surely fix one, right? :)
07:04:02midkay*sighs* ALRIGHT alright!!!
07:04:19JdGordonhopefully :p
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07:08:15midkayerm.
07:08:27JdGordonno good?
07:08:38midkayoh, ok, never mind.
07:08:48midkayout of date revision i'm working with.
07:09:13JdGordonthe first 2 changes are probably bad....
07:09:30JdGordonyeah, remove the first section from the patch or it might not work correctly
07:10:19midkaymy current revision of settings_list has like 550 lines.. the latest has like 700.
07:10:47midkayk, *tests*
07:12:03midkayworks!
07:12:08midkaythanks.
07:12:38JdGordongreat
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07:30:56JdGordonsomeone highlight me please
07:31:20LloreanJdGordon: You mean like this?
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08:09:17JdGordondid my commit get lost on the way or something?
08:10:29JdGordongrr.... local source out of date :p
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08:38:54webguest20Hi. What would you think about the following. There is the region setting for FM radio. What if we could put that setting into fmr-files? And it would be set if the file is loaded? Then the files would be self consistent. Like WPS files where it's possible to switch the status bar on or off.
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08:53:39rp-dan_a: are you there?
08:57:29Bagderwe advance to the next level of realllly low level e200 hacks now
08:57:56Bagderupcoming post in the "bricked e200" thread...
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09:02:10JdGordonits actually been bricked?
09:02:31rp-great Bagder, time to write a how to for all those "i can brick my sansa" guys :)
09:02:36Bagderwell, "bricked" is a bit of a gray area on the sansa
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09:03:13Bagdermany sansas have been "bricked" but they guys never actually try to recover
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09:03:26decayedcelli have a question about the bootloader - what does it look for to boot into iPL
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09:04:20Bagderisn't that mentioned in the manual?
09:04:37decayedcellI'll have a look
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09:06:12amiconnWhoah, this sansa is a strange device...
09:06:26decayedcell9.4. Firmware Loading
09:06:26decayedcell9.4.1. Using ROLO (Rockbox loader)
09:06:26decayedcellRockbox is able to load and start another firmware file without rebooting. You just “play” a file with the extension .ipod. This can be used to test new firmware versions without deleting your current version.
09:06:36amiconnAll those pre/extra/recovery/special modes... and still brickable
09:06:44decayedcellthat section doesn't mention iPL at all
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09:09:16amiconnAfaik the sansas are the only rockbox targets with reported bricks... am I wrong?
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09:09:30BagderI think you're right
09:09:58amiconnHmm, perhaps this one archos with broken flash rom must be counted as well
09:10:46rp-but it's weird how many users managed to "brick" their sansa
09:10:54Bagderindeed
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09:11:07BagderI find it amusing that the sansa has no less than _four_ usb modes
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09:11:33rp-four? recovery, manufacture, normal( mtp, msc) ?
09:11:49rp-did i miss one?
09:11:49Bagderthe one I just posted about is pre-manufacturing mode
09:12:06rp-haha know i got it :)
09:12:06Bagderso its pre, manu, recovery, normal
09:12:13rp-crazy
09:12:39Bagderodd design
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09:13:07rp-do you know if it's the same on the c200 series?
09:13:16Bagderno, but it seems likely
09:13:35dan_arp-: I'm here now!
09:14:06rp-dan_a: fine, did you read the sansa port thread?
09:14:18webguest20Any comments on the idea about the fmr files (see above)? Has it been discussed before?
09:14:36dan_arp-: I'm just having a look
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09:16:29rp-dan_a: because i tested some things and wrote a debugfile in the power_off() function, and it worked
09:17:37dan_aNice :D I tried using the emulator results to read the battery level, but all that did was mess the screen up
09:18:19decayedcell_is it just me or are the forums not loading
09:18:27decayedcell_nevermind
09:18:54rp-dan_a: but why would the i2c functions not work in the power_off()?
09:18:56GodEaterdecayedcell: they're always slow this time of day
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09:20:07dan_arp-: I don't know - Toni says that the power_off() function is never reached
09:21:07rp-dan_a: hm i can't confirm that, in my tests it got called when i hold the power off button
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09:21:43rp-dan_a: can you try the code from toni?
09:21:54dan_aI'll have a play with that this evening and see if I can get it working correctly.
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09:25:56rp-i'll try too, when i'm at home
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09:29:26rp-now i'm interested if i can find some backlight code in the BL firmware or i have to disassemble the original firmwar :/
09:30:47dan_aI don't remember the bootloader turning off the backlight - however MrH says that it does check if it is on.
09:31:46webguest20Hmm... Nobody who travels lot listens to the radio. Ok, forget the idea.
09:32:06webguest20Or I'll make a patch. That's probably the best idea :-)
09:32:28LinusNwebguest20: now we're talking
09:32:30rp-i will look at it, i can also try to find out how to read out the battery, i remember some string "Battery is low" in the BL
09:32:57dan_awebguest20: Making a patch would be a good idea - the only targets which I have with a radio can't use it yet!
09:33:59dan_arp-: If you have a look at the Sansa emulator in Flyspray, there is a file consisting of the reads and writes done to read the battery level
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09:34:16webguest20LinusN: you mean you like the patch idea? But would be useful in your opinion?
09:34:32webguest20would *it* be
09:34:37rp-how does the emulator work? didn't try it yet, can it boot the original firmware?
09:34:46GodEaterwebguest20: most patches start off by being useful to just one person - the person that writes them :)
09:35:15dan_arp-: It can't boot the original firmware yet, but it can run the Sansa bootloader IIUC
09:35:36webguest20GodEater: but if there's little to no chance for it to get committed I wouldn't bother
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09:35:57dan_arp-: FS #6524
09:36:03rp-dan_a: very nice, thx
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09:36:42LinusNwebguest20: your idea is to be able to set the fm region in .fmr files?
09:37:04webguest20LinusN: yes. Like status bar in WPS
09:37:19LinusNsounds like a pretty useful thing to me
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09:37:47JdGordonlast time you said that it got removed shortly after commiting :D
09:37:51LinusNmakes the fmr files self-contained
09:37:54JdGordon@ LinusN :p
09:37:57LinusNJdGordon: haha
09:38:04webguest20LinusN: I'm not sure whether it's really useful (who travels that much?) but logical it is (IMHO)
09:38:18JdGordonshouldnt be too hard to add
09:38:42perplexityActually, I travel that much. I'd just never used the radio anywhere other than home coz it was always a pita
09:38:46pondlifeLinusN: Finally we meet!! Could you take a quick look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4770#comment12612
09:39:21pondlifeBasically the questions are (1) should the H300 be drawing 500mA when USB charging
09:39:44pondlife(2) Is the reported current in Windows 2000 wrong?
09:39:55webguest20Well, that regional setting is not very relevant, the entries in the fmr file are. So the benefit won't be very great. But still... That setting belongs there IMHO
09:40:20LinusNpondlife: it should draw 500mA in "hub mode", iirc
09:41:10pondlifeSo 100mA charging is expected in Rockbox, based on our current (aha!) knowledge?
09:41:28pondlifeIf so, I will commit this
09:42:47pondlifeAlso, it seem that http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments#PCF50606_GPO is wrong - as per Massa's comment. Do you agree?
09:43:15pondlifei.e. GPOOD2 is USB charge enable, not GPOOD0
09:43:45pondlifeIf so, do we know what GPOOD0 does?
09:44:09webguest20perplexity: why is this a pita for you? Too much trouble to swith the fmr? Or what?
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09:45:16perplexityyeah, to be honest I just had issues shuffling things around every time I got off a plane. it's been so long since I played with it now I'm every rusty on the specifics. I just gave up on radio when I was not home.
09:45:38perplexityI'll sit down tomorrow and actually refresh myself on what I found was such a pain
09:46:18tucozlinuxstb: i saw that IPL infor is missing in the manual. The question is, should this be mentioned? I think it should, if it is not too hard to keep track of ipod linux changes.
09:47:15tucozi think it would be a nice addition to describe how to use the rockbox bootloader for triple booting (rockbox, ipl, of)
09:47:35webguest20perplexity: then... until then!
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09:47:53LinusNpondlife: another question is where the uda1380 reset is connected
09:48:15pondlifeIndeed. Did you do the original pin traces?
09:48:27LinusNyes i did
09:48:54pondlifeI did some software poking at GPOOD0, but it didn't produce any obvious effects!
09:49:20*pondlife kept an eye on his H340 for smoke.
09:49:56tucozLinusN: i think the high pitched buzzing is back in Slasheris bootloader for the h120
09:51:15LinusNtucoz: oh
09:51:16tucozthe occasional buzzing that is. as the fw is flashed, it only last for maybe half a second.
09:52:01tucozi have noticed it two times lately, and this was after i installed the newest bootlader
09:53:30tucozI remember you fixed that, some time in the summer in 2005.
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09:54:53LinusNpondlife: my understanding is that you don't enable charging, but you instead set the allowed current draw (hi/low)
09:55:29Slasheritucoz: hmm, buzzing.. what do you mean with that?
09:56:13LinusNthe buzzing i fixed came from resetting the UDA1380
09:56:18pondlifeAll I can say is that GPOOD2 seems to control the charging, and that Win2K reports 100mA current draw with either setting.
09:56:45Slasheriah, weird.. then that might be an issue, iirc when loading ram/rom image, uda is not reset
09:57:39pondlifeWith pcf50606_write(0x39, 0x00) the reported battery % increases during connection, without it does not (or does slowly, maybe)
09:57:50Slasheribut rely on rockbox doing the reset
09:59:20LinusNpondlife: i'll see if i can find the time to do a trace later tiday
09:59:22LinusNtoday
09:59:26pondlifeGreat
09:59:45tucozSlasheri: the issue was only on some h120's, and LinusN fixed it some time during the summer of 2005.
09:59:49pondlifeI'll keep an eye on the wiki
09:59:55Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html#usbmodes
10:00
10:00:11*Bagder tries to sum up the weirdness
10:00:22LinusNtucoz: i wonder if those h120's also have the loud ticking issue...
10:00:37tucozCould i check that somehow?
10:01:23pondlifeBagder: Hmm, so the Euro Sansa DOES have an FM tuner!
10:01:26tucozThat is with the remote right?
10:01:30pondlifeI missed that.
10:01:42pondlifeE200 is back on my list then
10:01:46Bagderpondlife: claimed by my contact yes, contradicted by others
10:01:47LinusNtucoz: yes
10:02:04LinusNBagder: could be both :-)
10:02:15Bagderyes, it might differ
10:02:20*tucoz makes a mental note that he should try to find the old remote when he gets home
10:02:22LinusN"yes, we disable it in software, because the chip isn't mounted"
10:02:30Bagderhehe
10:02:35pondlifeOr maybe some Euro ones are actually leftovers from elsewhere?
10:02:43BagderI actually asked specificly if the hw was different
10:02:52*LinusN recalls the Archos FM/V2 story
10:02:54pondlifeSo most have no chip, but occasionally one will have.
10:03:06Bagderyes I figure that might be the case
10:03:06*pondlife reminisces
10:03:12Bagderperhaps the first euro ones had the chip
10:03:17directhex|worki've ordered my new portable player
10:03:28LinusNBagder: like the archos v2
10:03:34Bagderyah
10:03:50markundirecthex|work: so, which one is it?
10:04:26directhex|workmarkun, a gigabeat f40
10:04:36markunnice
10:04:38pondlifeCan anyone describe how the Gigabeat F control works? It looks like 2 touch sliders; isn't that a bit odd to use?
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10:05:09markunpondlife: worked quite well in the OF
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10:05:20directhex|workpondlife, haven't the faintest idea. someone just recommended the gigabeat as the best rockbox platform
10:05:28pondlifeCertainly the best CPU.
10:05:46markunbut we just use it as a 4 direction joystick with 'select' in the middle
10:05:46directhex|workbattery life seems good, and i like the screen
10:05:48bluebrotherBagder: looks like the manual builds are broken −− the timestamp shown is of yesterday
10:06:05Bagderbluebrother: prolly the iconv thing...
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10:06:25tucozbluebrother: what would it take to convert the manual to utf8?
10:06:35rp-is usb msc mode implemented in some PP target?
10:06:43bluebrotherfirst, make sure utf8 support is installed on all manual build machines
10:06:52Bagderrp-: nope
10:07:06bluebrothersecond, change the inputenc line in the preamble to use utf8x instead of latin1
10:07:15Bagderrp-: but Barry has started on it a bit
10:07:21bluebrotherand last, remove the iconv call from the makefile
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10:07:38bluebrotherthe main issue is that utf8 support isn't part of a standard latex installation
10:07:38Bagderrp-: since we know from where to get "inspiration" for it (i.MX)
10:07:55tucozcould we add the package to the source tree?
10:07:57bluebrotherand, afaik, it is not only a style file we could simply ship with the sources
10:08:00LinusNbluebrother: what do i have to apt-get?
10:08:10rp-Bagder: ok thx, would be the next nice think to have on the sansa
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10:08:24bluebrotherLinusN: sorry, no idea. I
10:08:29Bagderrp-: indeed, and it is probably the very same for all PP targets
10:08:30bluebrotherI'm a Fedora guy ;-)
10:08:39pondlifeHmm, GodEater's build machine suffers from the same (?) gcc problem as lostlogic's...
10:08:45directhex|workoh, is speex supported as well as vorbis?
10:09:21Bagderno
10:09:45bluebrotherfedora has a package called tetex-unicode
10:09:45Bagderdirecthex|work: I believe there's speex codec in the works in the patch tracker
10:10:41bluebrotherhmm. Just looked in the unicode package page again
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10:11:27bluebrothermaybe we could put the files into the source tree
10:11:40bluebrothertucoz: can you test that out?
10:12:04bluebrotherhttp://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode/ucs/INSTALL
10:12:45bluebrotherseems I remembered the installation stuff wrongly
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10:13:25tucozno, i am not at home right now
10:13:50tucozi can try it out this evening
10:14:00tucozbtw, VirtualBox works great
10:14:17tucozfeels really snappy.
10:15:50GodEaterpondlife: yes it does - and until gentoo fix their GCC build - there's nothing I can do about it
10:16:05bluebrotherdid you manage to use the shard folder thing on VirtualBox?
10:16:24LinusNiconv: illegal input sequence at position 6664
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10:17:44pondlifeGodEater: Sorry, was just noticing - thought this might become a more widespread issue :(
10:18:19pondlifeIt only affects the sim builds, right?
10:18:39pondlifeMaybe a nasty hack to the build system to mark some servers as non-sim only?
10:19:02LinusNno nastyness needed
10:19:17LinusNwe have support for that
10:19:26tucozbluebrother: i haven't tried
10:19:32tucozbbl
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10:20:05GodEaterpondlife: no problem - it's just I don't intend to replace my native gcc with one from outside the portage tree
10:20:13GodEaterand yes it only affects the sim builds
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10:20:30pondlifeSo if you're fed more non-sim and less sim builds, we can all be happy
10:20:51GodEaterif the yellow in the build table bothers you that much - then yes ;)
10:21:08LinusNlet's ban all gentoo servers :-)
10:21:17Bagderactually, all the red build bother me a whole lot more
10:21:21Bagderbuilds
10:21:22pondlifeMe too
10:21:28LinusNand amiconn :-)
10:21:28pondlifeI remember the days of ALL GREEN
10:21:30Bagderand I mostly blame amiconn ;-)
10:21:46BagderI want those builds disabled or stripped
10:21:49JdGordonwhy not disable sim builds for the naughty servers?
10:21:55LinusNspeaking of that, how's the langv2 patch these days?
10:22:00JdGordonyou want my server for suim builds?
10:22:54LinusNall your servers are belong to us
10:24:41Bagderwe could even re-introduced the nasty cpp hack to fix the warnings
10:25:04Bagderit would of course need to be even hairer to properly detect the gcc versions
10:25:30Bagderhairy hairyer ?
10:25:37pondlifeAnyone know if the langv2 patch going to fix the red builds, or is there still further work there?
10:25:41LinusNBagder: :-)
10:25:42Bagdertricky word ;-)
10:25:44JdGordoncan you build a gcc for 32bit x86 on 64bitx86?
10:25:45bluebrotherhmm, seems I got utf8 working here. Now something different is breaking :-/
10:25:56LinusNbluebrother: lovely :-)
10:26:20bluebrotherlooks like I'll need to uninstall the unicode stuff at home tonight to test it.
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10:26:40Bagderpondlife: even it it would fix the current reds, it would only be a tiny matter of time before they break again
10:27:04Bagderthere's no future in craming everything in on the archos flashes
10:27:12LinusNBagder: amen to that
10:27:21Bagderit is only amiconn who thinks that
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10:28:18Bagderso the question is, would archos users still like to flash rockbox? if so, we need to make feature-stripped one for flash
10:28:34Bagderi.e a different build
10:28:35amiconnIt's still possible to flash rockbox
10:28:36pondlifeDidn't tagcache/database already get stripped from rombox?
10:28:57amiconnI see no point in stripping down rockbox in order to make rombox fit
10:29:04JdGordoncan we do a few different builds (weekly) for rombox so people who want different stuff excluded can still be happy?
10:29:13Bagderamiconn: then we stop building it?
10:29:40amiconnEither it fits as-is, or it doesn't
10:29:51amiconnBut I still think that it's possible to make it fit
10:29:54Bagderand it doesn't...
10:30:01LinusNamiconn: ...for now...
10:30:49Bagderand clearly it being "possible" still has left the red builds in there for ages
10:31:13Bagdersince obviously not many care
10:31:27JdGordon... or just stop it making the table red on rombox failure?
10:31:42Bagderthen what would the point be to build it?
10:31:49amiconn[IDC]Dragon does, and he has a stripped-down bootbox, which just needs to be committed
10:32:14BagderI thought you just said a stripped-down version was pointless?
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10:32:25LinusNBagder: of *bootbox*
10:32:29Bagderah
10:32:32amiconn*bootbox*, not rockbox
10:32:34*Bagder gets confused
10:32:43LinusNBagder: "gets" :-)
10:32:43amiconnAnd it only strips things not needed in bootbox
10:32:56LinusNBagder: you have always been confused
10:33:03amiconnI think that keeping down binary size is a good thing in general, not only for archos
10:33:14bluebrotherwow. tetex 1.0 installation on my old box. That is _really_ outdated
10:33:21BagderLinusN: it was from "very confused" down to just "confused" ;-)
10:33:31*amiconn reminds of the iFP build, which has to work with 1MB ran - including codecs...
10:33:44Bagderamiconn: sure, but red builds in the table does not help that
10:33:44amiconns/ran/ram/
10:33:48scorchepondlife: no...just added a ifdef for it so it can easiely be taken out
10:34:39LinusNamiconn: the iFP will have to be stripped in many ways
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10:36:21LinusNstill, the stripped bootbox together with langv2 will buy us some time
10:36:30amiconnLinusN: Of course, but keeping an eye on efficient coding helps in keeping things that need to be stripped to a minimum
10:36:35LinusNuntil we hit the barrier again
10:36:58amiconnLinusN: Archos rockbox will have to become a bit more modular in the future, it seems
10:37:05perplexitywhich reminds me, is it possible to build a h300 bootloader again? last I tried the object was too large
10:37:15LinusNperplexity: i have a patch for that
10:37:31amiconnSome parts have to be taken out of the core (or rather, not introduced in the first place)
10:37:36perplexitycool :)
10:37:53amiconnThe pcm codec is one such thing
10:38:40LinusNi'm not holding my breath for the pcm codec
10:40:49safetydanLinusN, still work to do on langv2, just not as much time to work on it
10:41:04LinusNsounds familiar :-)
10:41:18safetydanpondlife, the patch might get recorder under the limit but the other targets will need more work
10:42:05*amiconn is curious how much the settings menu rework will save
10:42:37XavierGrLinus: Do you have any idea why some H300s fail to connect on USB bootloader mode?
10:42:49perplexityooooo like mine
10:42:52pondlifeOK, just wondering
10:43:09JdGordonamiconn: hopefully enough to at least to make rombox build again...
10:43:18pondlifeMine never works in USB bootloader mode
10:43:23XavierGrmine too
10:43:32LinusNXavierGr: not really, but if the theory about GPOOD2 is true, that might be the reason
10:43:40pondlifeI was hoping to put some debugging in - normal USB is very reliable.
10:44:28*JdGordon should get coding.. but so cbf tonight :p
10:44:29XavierGrIt is just strange why it works on normal mode and not in USB mode
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10:44:45XavierGr(bootloader mode)
10:45:06pondlifeMust be some kind of initialisation issue.
10:45:15*JdGordon 's h300 connects maybe 80% of the time... annoying when it just plain refuses to connect
10:45:52XavierGrI want to play with the bootloader but I am way too afraid if I do something stupid
10:45:52perplexityI've not had mine connect ever, no matter what the host machine or OS.. not that it worries me
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10:46:53amiconnLinusN: There's also the emergency park click in H300 bootloader usb mode...
10:47:13LinusNamiconn: could be related
10:47:13amiconnBootloader usb works everytime for me, but the click is nasty
10:47:39JdGordonand the click on the outputs on bootup
10:49:29safetydanokay, with current svn and the latest langv2 cleanup patch we're 1348 bytes larger than max for recorder builds
10:50:12JdGordonI rekon 1.3kb should be easy to get from the settings rework....
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10:51:06amiconnsafetydan: Please tell me when you're done with the langv2 itself. Need to change talk.c a bit then
10:51:50safetydanwill do
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10:53:25JdGordonhas any work been done on seeing if speex will work?
10:56:27linuxstbtucoz: I'll try and add something to the manual for booting IPL. I agree we should mention it, but it's really only useful for advanced IPL users - normal users will just use the IPL GUI installer which installs the IPL bootloader (which can also boot Rockbox).
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10:59:13safetydanJdGordon, I think there's a patch in the tracker for that
10:59:14Lloreanlinuxstb: Should the bootloader look for linux.bin and then linux.ipod when you hold Play, that way you can have a ROLO-able image that'll still work on bootup?
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11:00:13LinusNamiconn: do you think we should adapt dynamically for 1-sector clusters, or just stay with 1-sector caching on the ondio?
11:01:50LinusN(btw, my patch is now capable of the N*M scheme we discussed yesterday
11:01:51amiconnI think we should either stay with 1-sector caching on all targets, or check cluster sizes to decide how many sectors to cache
11:02:07amiconn(1-sector meaning physical ata sectors here)
11:02:19amiconnThe 1-sector cluster problem is not limited to the Ondio
11:02:26LinusNtrue
11:02:44LinusNok, so we dynamically adapt to the physical sector size then?
11:02:48amiconn(and btw, the duplicated dir entries were not the problem on the internal flahs, in case you didn't analyse the image yet)
11:03:12amiconnI mean, they were not related to the single-sector cluster problem
11:03:14webguest61i love rockbox :-)
11:03:26amiconnThe internal flash has 2K clusters
11:03:28webguest61to all who have contributed to it, i thank you
11:03:30LinusNwebguest61: me too :-)
11:03:50webguest61much is the pity i'm programming inept so am no assistance whatsoever :-(
11:04:23bluebrotherwebguest61: feel free to help out with the manual ...
11:04:31bluebrotheror with knowledge in the forums
11:04:57webguest61yes, must help others......
11:05:04webguest61must convert them to rockbox...... :-)
11:05:37bluebrotheradvise them to read the manual ;-)
11:06:09webguest61manual not good for gigabeat yet. how do i help write it ?
11:06:37bluebrotherare you familiar with latex?
11:06:54webguest61ummm, you getting kinky on me ???? :-P
11:07:09bluebrotherno. The manual is written using latex.
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11:07:40whotheh3llam1ahhhh
11:07:43bluebrotherbut it's not that hard if you only want to extend / correct existing sections
11:07:53amiconnLinusN: On hdd targets, it might be useful to read sector pairs (of course only when there are no single-sector clusters) on 512 byte physical sector targets
11:07:54whotheh3llam1how/where ????
11:08:02whotheh3llam1do i get started ?
11:08:12bluebrotherso the best way to help with it would be working with the latex sources and submit patches
11:08:48bluebrotheras a starting point read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto
11:09:16whotheh3llam1ahhh, just found that :-)
11:09:35LinusNamiconn: yes, it's a performance issue too. however, i have not seen a measurable difference between 1 and 2 sector caching
11:09:45amiconnLinusN: So basically it sounds like an idea to check the cluster size and then cache either 1 or 2 sectors. Should automatically work on the G5.5, because clusters cannot be smaller than sectors
11:10:48LinusNamiconn: yes
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11:15:39linuxstbLlorean: Or when rolo is working 100%, we could just remove IPL support from the bootloader...
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11:34:35amiconnLinusN: Did you find the problem which caused the duplicated entries in the dir list?
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11:35:23LinusNamiconn: it might very well be fixed with my latest patch
11:35:33LinusNwanna try?
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11:39:35jhMikeSLinusN: it fixes the problem when I saw duplicate filenames occasionally in the recordings directory?
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11:41:25pondlifelostlogic: Have a look at the last comments on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 if you get a chance...
11:41:55amiconnLinusN: Can't do that now, but (hopefully) tonight
11:42:05pondlifelostlogic: Oops, I meant http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5755#comment12907
11:42:06decayedcell_concerning FS6095... I also tested it on my friends 5G Video, appears to work fine
11:42:11JdGordonamiconn: LinusN: did you guys see the message on the mailing list about te changes to the menu code for the new settings stuff?
11:42:36amiconnLinusN: Btw, your old patch (the buggy one) decreased code size on archos (though only a little bit)
11:43:15GodEaterLinusN: I'll test yuor patch if you want ?
11:43:26amiconnJdGordon: I agree with Bagder that you use too many macros which purely hide away stuff for no reason. That also goes for the settings list
11:43:42amiconn...e.g. GS(blah) -> global_settings.blah
11:43:45amiconnwhy?
11:44:05JdGordonit makes it much easier to read (imo)
11:44:24bluebrother... and much more complicated for people who haven't written it
11:44:27decayedcell_pondlife if you revert to one revision before the playback.c mod and patch rockbox with cop 6 you should find that it works properly
11:44:40amiconnFor me it makes the stuff harder to read
11:44:54bluebrotherin other words: harder to maintain
11:45:03pondlifedecayedcell_: Hmm, I don't have a COP on my H300.
11:45:06decayedcell_I suspected it was playback.c because the cop diff modifies that file, and no other svn commits have
11:45:21JdGordonwell... either its lots of macros.. or in the case of the settings_list, lots of typecasts and {}'s
11:45:21pondlifeIt's only 2 lines extra isn't it?
11:45:43pondlifedecayedcell_: If you comment out those 2 lines, I assume all is well again?
11:45:53decayedcell_hmm
11:46:00decayedcell_*checks SVN history*
11:46:20pondlifei.e. the filebuf += CODEC_IRAM_SIZE; filebuflen -= CODEC_IRAM_SIZE;
11:46:30decayedcell_No its 12120
11:46:36decayedcell_I was right earlier http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playback.c?r1=12119&r2=12120
11:46:58pondlifeHmm, 12120 is only comment changes and code police.. allegedly
11:47:29decayedcell_Well if you check the changes...
11:47:38*pondlife is checking right now
11:48:04decayedcell_I don't see how a few extra lines could break the cop entirely though
11:48:13pondlifedecayedcell_: Which are the new lines?
11:48:23pondlifeIs it the inline stuff?
11:48:57decayedcell_highlighted in green on the right side
11:49:00decayedcell_is the extra stuff
11:49:20pondlifeDo you have crossfade enabled?
11:49:27decayedcell_nope
11:49:37decayedcell_I never have crossfade enabled, just replaygain
11:49:51decayedcell_but even with the cop patch that didn't slow it down
11:50:40pondlifeTry commenting out the new call to codec_gapless_track_change()..
11:50:59decayedcell_and then applying cop 7?
11:51:14pondlifeWhatever you were doing that broke it before?
11:51:31pondlifei.e. comparing like-for-like
11:51:34decayedcell_well up to 12119 with cop 6 cop was working fine
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11:51:46pondlifeOK, so stick with cop 6
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11:52:14pondlifeAnd 12120 with that line removed.
11:52:31decayedcell_well, if I just downloaded 12119 revision playback.c, wouldn't that be the same as commenting out the changes
11:52:48pondlifeYes, but I thought you'd already tried that.
11:52:58decayedcell_yeah 12119 worked fine
11:53:07pondlifeNext up is to work out *which* particular line is causing the problem.
11:53:17decayedcell_ah okay which line then
11:53:51decayedcell_1835 + 1842?
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11:56:59decayedcell_barrywardell would you have any idea of which line could be causing the cop problems http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playback.c?r1=12119&r2=12120
11:57:23barrywardelli had a quick look, but I don't know playback.c very well, so I'm not sure
11:57:45barrywardelli haven't even run KoCOP#7 myself yet!
11:57:47jhMikeSpondlife: You just reminded me about that buffer thing I wanted to address but I see it's been gotten to :)
11:58:18decayedcell_barrywardell well I've already tested it, and it lags. It was perfectly fine with revision 12119 playback.c and cop 6
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12:00:38barrywardelldecayedcell_: there aren't may lines in 12120 that actually change the code. most only change comments
12:00:58barrywardellso i suggest pondlife's recommendation of going through them one by one
12:01:02decayedcell_barrywardell well there is the crossfade stuff, that appears to be the only change
12:01:34decayedcell_okay so which one should I comment out, and which character do I use, '/' ?
12:02:18scorche"//" before the line to comment out
12:03:27decayedcell_I would imagine that the cop 6 diff would need to be modified too
12:04:53barrywardelluse cop7
12:04:59barrywardellwith 12120
12:05:01decayedcell_barrywardell cop 7 is just cop 6 but with the code patched in different locations right
12:05:05decayedcell_yeah okay
12:05:09barrywardellyes
12:05:21barrywardellremove the two new static inline functions
12:06:26pondlifedecayedcell_: Sorry, phone rang
12:07:11decayedcell_ int crossfade_mode = global_settings.crossfade; this too?
12:07:17pondlifeNot yet
12:07:26pondlifeThat can be the 2nd part
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12:07:33decayedcell_so just static inline void codec_gapless_track_change(void)
12:07:40decayedcell_and static inline void codec_crossfade_track_change(void)
12:07:54decayedcell_and adding // between the comments
12:07:54pondlifeYou'll need to reinstate the original function calls to pcmbuf_set_position_callback() etc.
12:08:03barrywardellput back the code starting line with if(global_settings.playlist_shuffle)
12:08:43decayedcell_its probably easier if you comment it out for me then send the file :p
12:08:43pondlifejhMikeS: Which buffer thing did I remind you of?
12:09:08pondlifeGot to go shortly I'm afraid
12:09:29decayedcell_pondlife thats fine, barrywardell can you do it?
12:09:40decayedcell_I'm not at all familiar with C
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12:09:52LinusNJdGordon: i agree with Daniel, we should keep the macros to a minimum
12:09:52decayedcell_or any programming language bar BASIC ><
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12:10:25barrywardelldecayedcell_: i'll give you a version of playback.c to test
12:10:48jhMikeSpondlife: the problem after the call to buffer_alloc and not adjusting the pointer and size. I've known about it and was gonna fix it but got all distracted recently.
12:10:48pondlifebarrywardell: Thanks
12:10:57pondlifeAha
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12:13:25decayedcell_http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5755#comment12911 confirmed by Steve... so I guess its just line by line then
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12:14:19JdGordonLinusN: I agree also, but really think these should be exceptions
12:15:07LinusNi believe in having the code "in your face"
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12:15:30barrywardelldecayedcell_: http://pastebin.ca/334116
12:15:34LinusNbut in this case, it might perhaps serve a purpose
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12:16:36JdGordon... unfortunatly, even with the macros its going to be messy, but at least it will be slightly easier to follow than without them
12:16:57LinusNthat of course depends on what you are trying to follow
12:17:15LinusNGodEater: the bootloader?
12:17:42decayedcell_barrywardell: it appears that system.c has been modified recently
12:17:46GodEateryour ata / fat patch
12:17:48JdGordonim talking about settings_list.c atm
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12:18:04GodEaterI noticed you said to amiconn you thought you'd got the duplicte entries sorted ?
12:18:18decayedcell_hmm actually I'll get rid of the other patches oops
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12:18:25LinusNGodEater: ah yes
12:18:57GodEaterdoes it require FS #6549 applied seperately ?
12:19:27LinusNGodEater: i /msg:d you
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12:24:34jhMikeSI'm sure why the objection to macros in the settings struct since they'd be rather tedious declarations otherwise and worse to change if the element format is altered for some reason.
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12:24:47jhMikeSnot sure rather
12:25:34LinusNjhMikeS: which is why i said it might serve a purpose in this case
12:26:17jhMikeSI wouldn't say "might" in this case :-)
12:26:20daurnimatorJdGordon: what time do you finish each day?
12:26:21LinusN:-)
12:26:34pondlife4am-6am, isn't it?
12:26:40pondlife;)
12:26:45JdGordondaurnimator: uni? dont know yet, timetable doesnt come out till late feb
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12:29:49LinusNthis is the type of macro that i dislike:
12:29:52LinusN#define GS(a) &global_settings.a
12:29:57LinusNtotally unnecessary
12:30:13LinusNand non-kiss
12:30:27decayedcell_barrywardell: still the same thing
12:30:32JdGordonthats because you like 80 char wide lines :p
12:30:43daurnimatorJdGordon: i started 12 today, so i got a hell of a lot less time now
12:33:29*jhMikeS likes 77 char wide lines because all Microsoft example code does it :P
12:33:45*pondlife likes lines to go as long as they need to
12:33:57pondlifeBut then I do now have dual monitors!!
12:34:04pondlife(As of yesterday)
12:34:13LinusNso the lines can span two screens? wow!
12:34:23JdGordonno, thats too wide
12:34:23jhMikeSI don't have enough desk space for that or I would
12:34:23pondlife;)
12:34:28barrywardelldecayedcell_: ok. only one other thing changed. try this: http://pastebin.ca/334130
12:34:38JdGordon100ish should be the max...
12:34:43pondlifeNah, it gets hard to follow after about 150
12:35:17pondlifeI like line breaks for a better reason than an arbitrary number of chars
12:35:21decayedcell_barrywardell alright I'll try it tommorrow, need to sleep. I'll email the results
12:35:26barrywardellk
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12:35:35JdGordoni have a line down the window at 80chars, i still have about 20lines worth of whitespace now
12:35:46JdGordon... and im on a low res
12:36:29JdGordonanyway, back to figuring out this damn type cast
12:37:28jhMikeSpointers again?
12:38:09JdGordonyeah
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12:44:19*jhMikeS sees he left a comment in pcm_record.c about threading and the audio recording functions that's totally untrue now.
12:45:57JdGordonthat wouldnt be the only untrue comment in the code...
12:46:09JdGordonthe description of bmp_load (i tihnk) is wrong also
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12:50:38jhMikeSI hate it when I put in notes, fix the problem and forget to remove the note. Probably should refrain unless extremely important in some fundamental way.
12:52:16GodEatertime for lunch...
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12:54:10JdGordonjhMikeS: still better to forget about the note than not fixing the problem...
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13:00:31JdGordoncastng to void* wouldnt even work
13:01:11JdGordongrr... bloodu typical... i get it as soon as i ask :p
13:01:20JdGordonI was missing the unsigned :p
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13:11:23MikachujhMikeS: put in notes with #warning, that way you can't miss them :)
13:12:13jhMikeSMikachu: haha...neither will anyone else :)
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13:15:50JdGordonMikachu: thats proabably a good idea tho...
13:16:06JdGordoni mean, they arnt compile warnings.. so its not soo bad, and are helpful
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13:17:42amiconnJdGordon: They would still colour the build table yellow
13:17:50JdGordonso?
13:18:09JdGordoneven more reason to make it like that... it forces people to remember and fx these problems
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13:19:26*jhMikeS will just use #error when he _really_ means it
13:20:46JdGordonwell... thats going a bit extreme :p
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13:29:03JdGordondaurnimator: whats the archos model you have?
13:29:24daurnimatorgmini 402
13:29:30daurnimatorwhy?
13:30:03JdGordontalking to a friend about it
13:30:36daurnimatoro.o
13:34:20*JdGordon hates writing tech docs :( especially in wiki format
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13:45:08LinusNi wish slasheri could document the new scheduler in the wiki
13:46:49preglowwell, at least he's said he's going to do it!
13:46:52preglowfive, six times
13:47:52JdGordonmaybe he forgot how it works...
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14:13:42JdGordonOK, I've started documenting the upcoming changes... can someone please have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SettingsRecode#Order_of_calls_to_the_menu_callb and let me know if that order of callback calls sound right?
14:13:59JdGordonI mean, thats what happens, but does it need changing?
14:14:21JdGordon... ignore the rest of the page... its not done
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14:18:39GodEaterdammit. Stone Sour are playing in London in March and all the tickets are gone already.
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14:20:19directhex|worki managed to get tickets for Air in march
14:20:32directhex|workalthough it was a slightly dodgy site, and i don't have any actual tickets yet...
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14:21:22GodEaternone on ebay even
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14:25:53directhex|workthey still have tickets for the other venues. could you make it to brum?
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15:06:57GodEaterLlorean: I'm absolutely loving the gigabeat
15:07:13GodEaterI'd definitely recommend it.
15:07:39perldiver:)
15:07:46LloreanIt's no H120, but as a device for simply playing music from an HD it's quite good.
15:08:16GodEatermy new H140 battery showed up yesterday too
15:08:24GodEaterbut the screwdriver didn't =/
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15:08:32LloreanFrustrating
15:08:33directhex|workGodEater, good, i ordered one last night
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15:08:53GodEatersomewhat - I've hunted round here at work too, and we only go down to T6
15:11:07GodEaterout of curiousity - did you change the theme on your GB Llorean? And if so - which did you go for ?
15:11:21LloreanNormally I make my own rather basic theme.
15:11:31LloreanBut I stumbled across one in the gallery I very much like.
15:11:35GodEaterI'm using Cabbie
15:11:39LloreanYup
15:11:43GodEateryeah - it's very good
15:11:43LloreanI made a few changes to it.
15:11:48GodEatershame he didn't use the real RB logo
15:11:52GodEaterbut otherwise it's pretty bool
15:11:54LloreanI actually kinda like that logo.
15:11:54GodEater*cool
15:12:05LloreanThough in the menu I moved it to be rotated like the "Gigabeat" words.
15:12:20GodEaterit's not bad I suppose - just unoffical
15:12:22LloreanAnd I added a entry showing where I was in the playlist, as well as numeric battery and volume, to it.
15:12:27Lloreanan entry
15:13:26bluebrotherwoot! Got the utf8 manual working. Now I need to make it in a clean way
15:14:17LloreanWoo
15:15:48Lloreanbluebrother: I haven't looked at how the tex is structured, but do you think it'd be reasonably possible for me to hack together a manual build that includes all the various player specific bits, text only (plus the general bits)?
15:16:18LloreanOr would a very lot of stuff end up repeating that way?
15:16:50LloreanI mean, I assume it's structured so you're not rewriting the same stuff for different players, but I don't know how well that'd translate into a giant mishmash.
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15:22:18gookA question for the initiated: why is radio.c in the recorder subdir?
15:22:46Lloreangook: Because the "recorder" subdir for a while meant "things with bitmap screens" if I recall. Though I'm not sure on this one.
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15:24:34gookLlorean: but this is not true anymore, right? So it would be logical to move it one level up.
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15:24:58l_rhello
15:25:06l_rhow can i turn off the ipod?
15:25:25l_ri am not in rockbox, i am in the apple firmware fors some reasons
15:25:32l_ri have to reboot this thing
15:25:39l_rto enter rockbox again
15:25:54Lloreangook: No, it would be logical to move it to target tree, I assume.
15:26:04Mikachul_r: hold menu+select
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15:26:14Mikachul_r: or wait 36 hours
15:26:33l_r36 hours?
15:26:38Mikachumaybe it's 24
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15:27:03Lloreanl_r: The Apple firmware can't be shut off normally. You either wait for it to go to deep sleep, or you restart with Menu+Select
15:27:07LloreanWaiting for Deep Sleep takes a long time.
15:27:10l_rok done
15:27:14gookLlorean: I meant radio.c. It's for many platforms I think.
15:27:28l_rthanks
15:27:33Lloreangook: And?
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15:29:15gookLlorean: I thought under the target you have many subdirs (one for each platform). Should radio.c be copied then?
15:30:20Lloreangook: Well, perhaps just /drivers. I'm really not very solid on the source organization.
15:30:30LloreanBut my understanding of target tree was that things that are hardware specific ended up there in the end.
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15:31:28LloreanRemember: This is far from my area of expertise, very far.
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15:32:51gookLlorean: but radio.c contains both kind of code. It should be splitted into platform specific and 'general' parts
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15:33:15Lloreangook: I never said it shouldn't be split.
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15:34:49gookI also never said you did :-)
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15:35:25gookBut I say: it should!
15:35:57Llorean"Target Tree" isn't really just the /target folder, it includes splitting the files I believe. Again, working on my understanding of it, it's making sure that the general-purpose files are more separate from the hardware specific bits, and less ifdefs are scattered throughout firmware files.
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15:38:05amiconnradio.c is not firmware code
15:38:31LloreanWell, that settles it then.
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15:39:38gookamiconn: but as of now, it contains some HW specific #if's
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16:44:51Luis07Will there be a Rockbox for the iPod Nano 2nd Generation? I was just curious, and I can't find any news
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16:46:58perl|workinvadrox makes the player unresponsive to any buttons, including power off, after the backlight fade (gigabeat target)
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16:48:24perl|workhey midgey
16:48:36midgeyhello
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16:48:43perl|workdid you commit the invadrox?
16:48:52midgeyno, that was midkay
16:48:55perl|workah
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17:00:51GodEaterany other gigabeat owners recommend a case for one ?
17:01:02GodEatercan not do
17:01:39*GodEater managed to drop his (first day of ownership!) at the gym and scared himself when it wouldn't come back on.
17:02:06directhex|workplace it inside a used sock. decreases chances of theft too!
17:02:33GodEaterand makes using it a real pleasure
17:04:01perl|workwell
17:04:07perl|worki use apple grey sock
17:04:08perl|work:P
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17:08:56perl|workGodEater no good cases were ever made
17:10:19perl|workhttp://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-MEG-F40-Gigabeat-FlexiSkin-Low-Profile/dp/B000G2UGPQ
17:10:56perl|workthis one is very "industrial" but does the job
17:11:01GodEaterI just ordered a silicone skin from some uk site
17:11:17perl|worksame one i posted?
17:11:21GodEaterlooks very similar ;)
17:11:44GodEaterthe first site I looked at was charging $23!!!!
17:11:46perl|workyeah i doubt theres something else silicone for gigabeat
17:11:51GodEaterI want diamond plating for that amount
17:12:12KCCCheck out the Tech-Nohm case
17:12:25GodEaterhttp://www.i-nique.co.uk/
17:12:26KCCi've got one, its a pretty good case
17:12:28KCCbulky though
17:12:29GodEaterthat's where I ordered from
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17:28:01GodEatermarkun or toffe around ?
17:28:53perl|workboth away
17:29:03perl|workmaybe i can help?
17:29:22GodEateroh it's just a question on the manual
17:29:45GodEaterI noticed last night when I was doing my install, after I'd done the bootloader section, turning it off wasnt' enough (at least, not using the power button)
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17:30:04GodEaterI just wondered if it was worth inserting that as a step into the manual
17:30:20GodEaterotherwise it just stayed in the Toshiba fw
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17:30:36perl|worki always thought the step with flipping the battery switch is in the manual
17:30:37directhex|workGodEater, i want the gigabeat manual to be spot-on by friday!
17:30:54perl|workat least its on the gigabeat wiki page
17:31:04GodEaterfrom the manual : "2.4. Running RockboxRemove your player from the computer’s USB port.Unplug any connected power supply and turn the unit off. When you next turn the unit on, Rockbox should load. When you see the Rockbox splash screen, Rockbox is loaded and ready for use."
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17:31:13GodEaterthat's all it says
17:31:25perl|workthats strange
17:31:31*GodEater waits to be struck by lightning for pasting in the channel
17:32:26perl|workyep, its missing the battery switch step
17:32:46GodEaterso that *is* required then
17:32:52GodEaterit wasn't just me
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17:33:33perl|workit is very much required
17:33:43GodEaterthought so - I just wanted to check
17:34:01GodEatercan you do the change yourself, or do you want me to submit a patch ?
17:35:19GodEateralso (having just read the wiki port page rather than the manual) if the latest bootloader is dated the 18th, then it still hasn't made it to download.rockbox.org - since I'm using one from the 17th
17:35:23webguest20What happens to the hidden disc sector after updating to a RB version where settings are stored in cfg files? Can the sector be removed so that there will be no tracks of RB if I delete RB specific files?
17:37:18perl|workGodEater bootloader in bootloader.zip dated 18th was made during some late night hours
17:37:28perl|workso technically its 17th but was added on 18th
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17:38:03GodEaterah - so I'm using the right bootloader then - but not with the splash ?
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17:39:10perl|workspash comes separately in a .raw file you put in /root
17:39:45GodEaterI see that from the wiki
17:39:52perl|work(hence its .zip file)
17:40:02GodEateryep understood
17:40:27GodEaterplaying devil's advocate here - wouldn't it make sense to have the zip file include the gbsystem\fwimg folder structure ?
17:40:43GodEateralthough I suppose that could mean a use would overwrite the original firmware before he renamed it
17:40:58perl|workyeah people might end up screwing the whole thing
17:42:50perl|workill ask someone with write access from #gigabeat to modify the manual
17:43:44GodEaterhmmm
17:43:51GodEateranyone know where the dircache get's stored ?
17:45:38perl|worktcd files?
17:46:34GodEaterno that's the database
17:46:46GodEaterdircache seems to be broken here
17:46:46perl|workah
17:47:20GodEaterif I turn the player on with it enabled - it says rockbox loaded, and the the screen goes blank, the backlight switches off, and then nothing else happens.
17:47:46GodEaterI wonder if that's a result of the patch LinusN did this mornign
17:47:50amiconnThe dircache doesn't get stored on disk
17:48:04amiconn(except on H1x0 when rockbox is in flash)
17:48:13GodEaterright
17:48:42GodEaterso I wonder what's going on there then
17:48:55GodEaterthe first reboot after you enable it it works fine
17:49:02perl|workGodEater always worked on mine
17:49:08GodEateryou get the "scanning disk" message
17:49:13GodEaterbut if you then power off and back on
17:49:20GodEateryou get the symtoms I describe above
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17:49:43GodEaterand you have to boot with hold on to clear settings to get it to work again
17:49:58ppeomHi all..
17:50:08perl|workGodEater i balme patches
17:50:12perl|workblame*
17:50:16GodEaterhehe
17:50:25ppeomblame patch?
17:50:28GodEaterI'm just re-building the fw again without that patch to see if it helps
17:51:12ppeomCan edit Start menu charactet position ?
17:51:23perl|workinvadrox crashes the player after you quit the plugin btw, GodEater
17:51:33perl|workonly battery flip helps
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17:52:18GodEaternot even tried that
17:53:09GodEateramiconn: so explain to me how it works then ? Does dircache scan your disk every time you boot ?
17:53:24amiconnYes.
17:53:39GodEaterI wonder why it works once and not subsequently then
17:53:58amiconnAt first boot after enabling, it scans in the foreground. After that it knows the necessary buffer size
17:54:18ppeomWho's know gigabeat..
17:54:22amiconnSubsequent boot use this information in order to reserve the buffer beforehand, and then scan in the background
17:54:46GodEaterso it does store *something* somewhere then
17:54:56GodEateri.e. the size of the req'd buffer
17:54:59amiconnYes. Just the buffer size
17:55:06GodEaterand where does that live ?
17:55:28amiconnThe buffer gets allocated with some extra space to adjust to changed content
17:56:16amiconnIt's part of the global status, i.e. nvram.bin as long as there is no other nv storage
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17:57:30amiconnI never use dircache myself, so I don't know what could be the problem here
17:58:01GodEaterwell as I was saying earlier
17:58:10GodEaterI tested LinusN's latest fat patch this morning
17:58:18GodEaterI was wondering if it could have anything to do with that
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17:58:45GodEaterI've just replace that rockbox.gigabeat with one that doesn't include the patch
17:58:51GodEaterand the problem appears to have gone away
17:59:16GodEaterI'll just test again to make sure
17:59:48GodEateryep - definitely gone
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18:01:02amiconnMaybe the fat patch breaks dircache somehow? Dircache is pretty low-level....
18:01:04GodEaterI'll just put it back again to make sure that was the problem and not some other lame thing I'd done
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18:02:24GodEaterdoes ROLO work on igabeat ?
18:02:37perl|worknope
18:03:03GodEatera mundane reboot then ;)
18:03:07GodEateryep
18:03:11GodEaterit's definitely that
18:03:21GodEaterwon't boot properly now
18:03:32GodEaterwell - bootloader works - but rockbox won't now
18:03:40GodEatershame - poor LinusN :(
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18:05:36GodEaterright - I've got to shoot home
18:05:39GodEaterchat later chaps
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18:12:12barrywardellthat sansa emulator really is great!
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18:20:06Mikachuhcs: have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6603 ?
18:21:10hcsnope, thanks for pointing it out
18:21:21lowlightbarrywardell: what's needed to get the sansa emu to work?
18:22:07hcsMikachu: looks like a straightforward float to fixed conversion, which I had intended to do but didn't care about N106 to get around to...
18:22:11lowlightjust crashes for me :(
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18:24:51Genre9mp3hcs: I was curious... do you plan to adapt other Nintendo formats in the future? like GBS or USF?
18:25:29Genre9mp3hcs: great work with NSF and SPC btw :)
18:27:28hcsGenre9mp3: I'm considering GBS, but I think the best strategy for that might be to get blargg an iPod and let him do it :)
18:28:07Genre9mp3hehe
18:28:59hcsUSF... is not likely
18:29:43Genre9mp3to much processing power needed?
18:29:47bkuhnHey, do any of the developers working on the 80GB port still need the donation of an 80GB model?
18:29:48Genre9mp3too
18:29:54bkuhn80GB 5.5 ipod, I mean.
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18:30:44hcsGenre9mp3: Yeah. Even the best players available only run on x86, and would still be too slow if they could magically be transformed into exactly equivalent ARM
18:31:35Genre9mp3hmmm... so I guess this applies for all PSF based formats, right?
18:32:05hcsno, PSF itself I think is feasible
18:32:14hcsGSF also
18:32:46Genre9mp3PSF would rock in rockbox! :)
18:33:46hcsI have no intention of working on it myself any time soon.
18:34:52Genre9mp3well, sure... its better to have SPC in SVN first :)
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18:35:16Genre9mp3anyway gtg
18:35:19Genre9mp3cheers
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18:50:13tucozdoes anyone know what sdl package i should apt-get in debian to be able to compile the sims?
18:50:48XavierGrhmm
18:51:00XavierGrtucoz: have you installed X?
18:51:06tucozno, not yet
18:51:21XavierGrin order to make the sim run I think you need that
18:51:24tucozi am building a virtual machine for VirtualBox
18:51:32Mikachuprobably something like sdl-dev and sdl, possibly "lib" too
18:51:45XavierGryeah what Mikachu said
18:52:09XavierGrbut I am almost certain that when I built the VMWare image the sim couldn't run without X
18:52:22tucozok. i thought i only needed the sdl-dev package, but i guess i need sdl to be able to run it :)
18:52:34Mikachuyou need sdl to link it too
18:52:35tucozyes, i will have to install x to run it
18:52:39bluebrothersdl-dev should require the sdl package
18:52:53tucozright. that is probably true
18:53:29tucozit's really cool. I wonder if i should see how quick i can compile a rockbox build in this vm
18:54:06bluebrothertucoz: I want to add the ucs package files to svn but I'm not sure about the license
18:54:21tucozwhat was the link again?
18:54:25bluebrotherafaiu you need to distribute everything
18:54:27bluebrothersec.
18:54:42bluebrotherwhich would include lots of unneeded stuff
18:54:54bluebrotherhttp://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode/
18:55:00tucozthanks
18:55:18bluebrotherlooks like I'll manage to put everything in a different folder ...
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18:55:49bluebrotherbut the question is: do I need to put everything from the package there? Or can I use only the files I need?
18:56:04Mikachu- A distribution may split the package into smaller packages, as long
18:56:04Mikachu as this fact is visible to the user and the user may easily install
18:56:04Mikachu the complete UCS package (e.g. by installing all small packages).
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18:56:33bluebrotherright. But I don't want to create a package, I want to use parts of it
18:56:50bluebrotheri.e. the most except what's needed to rebuild some files and other addons
18:57:34Mikachujust put the full package in the wiki somewhere
18:57:46tucozI guess you could simply state what you have done in a documentation file when you upload it
18:57:52bluebrotherso do I need to consider it as a package and add everything?
18:58:16bluebrotherI wanted to add a README file to the new folder and add some information where to get the complete package
18:58:26tucozLike README.rockbox
18:58:30bluebrotherbut the license made me doubt if that is sufficient
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18:58:51bluebrotherand of course add the license file for ucs there too
18:58:58Mikachuyou could ask him
18:59:05tucozmy initial thought is that the license is quite flexible
18:59:40Mikachuwhat kind of space do these extra files take?
18:59:49tucozi haven't read the LaTeX Project Public License though
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19:00:20bluebrother3.6MiB
19:00:33barrywardelllowlight: it ran for me. i think you need a full dev environment with debugger, etc to get the most out of it though
19:01:03bluebrotherif I want to add everything that _might_ be needed (i.e. all definition files) I get 2.2MiB
19:01:15bluebrotherso adding all other files doesn
19:01:20bluebrotherdoesn't add too much
19:01:53tucozno. it's not that bad. maybe you should ask one of the old-timers for their opinion?
19:02:15bluebrotheryou mean Rockbox old-timers? Might be a good idea
19:02:19tucozyes
19:02:39bluebrotherok, I'll do that later.
19:02:49bluebrothergtg now, back in half an hour or so.
19:02:54tucozsee you
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19:32:14bluey-hey, anyone can recommend me some inear phones for 100??
19:32:28bluey-how are the ultimate ears super.fi 3?
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19:32:36FebsThis isn't really the right place for that inquiry. But I'd recommend Westone UM-1.
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19:33:22bluey-do you have them?
19:33:40FebsYes.
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19:34:53bluey-how stable are they? my last one had a crappy cord which broke several times (panasonic hje70)
19:35:12*amiconn wonders what currency '??' means
19:35:42FebsBluey: I've haven't had a problem with them. I suggest, however, that you look to http://www.head-fi.org for recommendations.
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19:36:04bluey-thanks for the link
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19:49:16tucozamiconn, you decide what currency you want the price to be in :)
19:49:19GodEaterWe definitely need to get Llorean some larger boots
19:49:41amiconn100 SEK perhaps? ;) Quite cheap then
19:49:46tucozor 100 Bhat
19:50:13tucozi think that's about 20 SEK
19:50:30GodEater100 Yen ?
19:51:21tucozI wonder, should i keep the vm without X. I.e. strictly for compiling etc
19:51:21amiconnOtoh, if it were 100 EUR, or even 100 GBP...
19:52:29amiconntucoz: I also thought about building a minimalistic vmware vm for rockbox
19:52:50tucozthis feels really fast. Actually, it feels equal to my other terminals
19:52:50GodEateror 100 CYP
19:53:06amiconnPlain console, just the crosscompilers, samba, plus a windows crosscompiler, so the vm could build windows sims
19:53:29tucozyep. I think i'll go that route, and see how well that works
19:53:52XavierGrwell I don't think that you will gain much more except the size of the image
19:54:21tucozi have little (or none) experience with samba. Do i install samba in the vm, to be able to access windows files?
19:54:41amiconnIirc rasher added autodetection of the cross-win-sdl case, i.e. if the build system finds the win32 sdl includes in the path, it should build windows sims
19:54:48GodEaterinstalling samba in the VM will give your windows install access to the filesystem in the VM
19:55:04bluebrothertucoz, did you manage to get the shared folders working?
19:55:07tucozok. thanks
19:55:10XavierGr"IF" your windows system is set up correctly
19:55:15tucozhehe, i started from scratch
19:55:22GodEatermaking sure the vmware kernel supports smb or cifs will allow connections the other way
19:55:22tucozi do not know yet
19:55:25XavierGrthat means that you will have to make sure that the network services are on (server etc)
19:55:28GodEaterwhich I think is tidier myself
19:55:35GodEaterand certainly requires less faffing about
19:55:43GodEaterand will make your image smaller still
19:55:54GodEatersamba is a sledgehammer to crack a nut in this case I think
19:56:01XavierGrtucoz keep in mind that you will need the latex packages to build manuals
19:56:13tucozyep. i'll add them
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19:57:57XavierGrtucoz: for some needed packages check the wiki here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform
19:58:18tucozthanks :)
19:58:41XavierGrof course not all are needed for basic compile
19:59:37tucozno. but i want to be able to compile the stuff there is to compile
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20:00:27tucozbbl
20:00:50*amiconn wonders what's necessary to build debian packages. Same question for cygwin packages
20:02:12bluebrothertucoz, wanna try a possible utf8 fix?
20:02:59bluebrotherapply http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/36 and unpack the ucs package from http://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode/unicode.tgz to the manual folder (so it becomes a subfolder ucs/)
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20:07:38tucozsure
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20:12:40SimpsonOk. I've been trying to use the mpeg player on my Gigabeat, but it doesn't seem to work. I know that it doesn't rebuffer right now, but I can't get it to show any video whatsoever. First, I download the 425MB .avi file and then I installed VLC. I then also downloaded the .bat file, dragged and dropped the .avi onto the .bat and it made a new file, which I put onto the Gigabeat. The only problem is when I try to play it, it says buffering, and then nothing h
20:13:02SimpsonThe 425 Elephant's Dream video I mean
20:13:04Simpson425MB*
20:14:33Soul-SlayerSimpson, the bat file on the manual is broken, it encodes to a .m2v still, the file type used by older versions of mpegplayer
20:14:47Soul-SlayerUnless you mean a different bat file, in which case it may have something to do with the size of the file
20:14:51SimpsonAh.
20:15:07SimpsonNo, you're right it's .m2v
20:15:15SimpsonIs there any way to convert it correctly?
20:15:22SimpsonA new .bat file?
20:15:36tucozbluebrother, i am doing something wrong. i get patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input.
20:15:49tucozafter i run patch < p.diff
20:15:54Soul-SlayerA new .bat file has yet to be created - I do know of a third part tool that seems to work for me however. Hold on
20:16:05bluebrothermaybe it's because of the missing @@ pastebin eats
20:16:19tucozwhere is that?
20:16:19bluebrother(the yellow lines)
20:16:28tucozok
20:16:29toffeSimpson : why don't you try the version of elephant dream of the wiki ?
20:16:41Soul-Slayerhttp://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=51189 Courtesy of TrueJournals, you will want the 'Full version with all codecs'
20:16:57bluebrotherI should find out how to modify pastebin to not eat @@ at the beginning of a line ...
20:17:07SimpsonThank's soul-slayer
20:17:14Soul-SlayerNo problem.
20:17:17Simpsontoffe: I also want to convert other files :)
20:17:34Soul-SlayerDoes anyone know if barrywardell is around? I am wondering if he managed to get RockBoy working in the end
20:17:35SimpsonWhat's the input file have to be?
20:17:47barrywardelli'm here now
20:17:48Soul-SlayerCovers most extensions, I think he listed them
20:17:50Soul-SlayerAha, hello
20:17:58Soul-SlayerAny luck?
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20:18:11tucozbluebrother, should i add a @@ in front of those lines?
20:18:21bluebrotheryep.
20:18:44bluebrotherfor some strange reason pastebin uses them to recognize lines to highlight and also removes them
20:18:46barrywardelli haven't tried the latest version yet
20:18:47Soul-SlayerSimpson: Supported file types are *.mov *.mpg *.mpeg *.avi *.wmv *.rm *.flv and *.m4v
20:18:59Mikachutucoz: you want to click "download"
20:19:03barrywardelland didn't hear from TrueJournals if he has the same bug
20:19:11tucozaha
20:19:18SimpsonI just read, thank you.
20:19:27Mikachu"To highlight particular lines, prefix each line with @@"
20:20:37dan_abarrywardell: Do you have any ideas about what might be causing the Sansa lockups?
20:20:41tucozbluebrother, i have to do this later. i have to get my daughter to sleep.
20:21:02bluebrothersure
20:21:10barrywardelldan_a: I haven't really looked at the flash driver, but it seemed to always happen on writes
20:22:10dan_abarrywardell: I'm getting them while scrolling up and down the screen now.
20:22:18barrywardelldan_a: also, you may have noticed I added the power off for the sansa. but now I'm wondering if we're better off doing it like this: http://pastebin.ca/334616
20:22:21barrywardellboth ways work
20:23:20dan_aThe new way is more in line with how we believe the AS3514 to work
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20:23:40dan_aBut if the current way works, why change it?!
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20:24:02dan_aI'm starting to wonder if it's the LCD driver that hangs.
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20:24:06bluebrothertucoz, when you come back, the same as diff here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/utf8fix.diff
20:24:13barrywardellbecause we're changing more than necessary
20:24:21barrywardelldan_a: i think you might be right
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20:24:27barrywardelli've got a freeze here
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20:24:40barrywardellbut the backlight on the wheel still comes on and off as it should
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20:24:53barrywardellindicating rockbox is still running
20:24:54dan_aI'm going to disable writing in the flash driver, and see if that helps.
20:25:02barrywardelljust not updating the lcd...
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20:25:38barrywardelldan_a: any ideas about waiting for the dma to finish before starting another lcd update?
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20:26:10Soul-SlayerSorry to interrupt Barry, but is there any updates/progress/other news on the KoCOP patch?
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20:26:56dan_aSoul-Slayer: See FS #5755
20:27:00Soul-SlayerThanks.
20:27:21barrywardelli tested both 6 (with SVN 12119) and 7 (with current SVN) and they both felt the same on my h10. but then the cop patch isn't really working on the H10 without changing the frequency scaling too.
20:27:59dan_abarrywardell: Logically, we should be able to just monitor the GPIO pin for the LCD update, but Rockbox has hung every time I've tried to do it that way
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20:29:56barrywardellhas it definitely hung? or does the lcd just not update? ie. does the scroll wheel light still work?
20:30:39dan_aLast time I tried, the scroll wheel hadn't been worked out, so I don't know.
20:31:01barrywardellwould be worth trying again now in that case...
20:31:35dan_aI get a hang (with scroll wheel light working) after a few seconds with writing disabled in the ATA driver
20:31:55barrywardellok, so it's not that
20:32:48SimpsonWhoa. When I played the movie, it was FAST!
20:32:55SimpsonAnyway to slow that sucker down...
20:33:32linuxstb_Go into the mpegplayer menu and enable Limit FPS and Skip Frames.
20:34:26amiconnbarrywardell: If it hangs but things like backlight etc still react, it's very probably the main thread hanging in some endless loop that yields
20:34:40lexlinuxstb_: is the rockboy so slow on ipods because of the slow lcd driver?
20:35:08linuxstb_Not all ipods have slow lcd drivers.
20:35:15lexwhat about 5.5G
20:35:34linuxstb_I've no idea what the bottleneck is in rockboy.
20:35:40lex:o
20:35:47lexwhat about doom then
20:35:47barrywardellamiconn: the backlight handling is in the button driver (it's a button backlight), but I assume the same reasoning applies
20:36:00lexor just because of the megahertzes
20:36:01SimpsonThe video still plays too fast in the player, even with skip frames and limit fps on.
20:36:08SimpsonJust the way it is right now?
20:36:50linuxstb_Does the video play at the correct speed in a PC video player?
20:37:09SimpsonLet me check.
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20:39:03SimpsonYes.
20:39:09SimpsonThe video plays correctly on PC
20:39:35barrywardellhmmm. the power_off() no longer gets called when it crashes. is that handled in the main thread?
20:40:03linuxstb_Simpson: Double-check that Limit FPS is still enabled.
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20:40:46SimpsonYup
20:40:48SimpsonStill on.
20:41:00SimpsonLet me convert another video and see if it changes.
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20:48:48tucozbluebrother, works great
20:49:02SimpsonOk, newly converted video works fine.
20:49:09SimpsonAudio's in sync.
20:49:14SimpsonFramerates good.
20:49:25SimpsonWish you coul adjust volume though....
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20:51:06tucozbluebrother, when editing the manual when it is using ucs, do we also save the source files as utf-8 then?
20:51:13Redbrevacan anyone help me get Manual compilation working...? I have installed tetex-base tetex-bin and tetex-extra, corrected the strange s character in credits, but still cannot get the manual to compile (output can be seen here http://www.rockbox-themes.org/error.html )
20:51:54RedbrevaOS = Ubuntu 6.1 in VMWare in case that is important
20:52:01tucozyep
20:52:13tucozRedbreva, ubuntu uses dash instead of bash
20:52:43tucozthat is, /bin/sh is pointing to dash instead of bash
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20:52:56Redbrevatucoz: Sorry - not sure what you mean by that
20:53:03tucozRedbreva, you mean ubuntu 6.10 right?
20:53:08Redbrevayep
20:53:44tucozi do not remember the syntax, but you could change the symlink /bin/sh to point to bash instead of dash
20:53:45DanselkyHey guys, I was looking through all the manuals for WPS coding, and I couldn't find anything about changing the font color for the WPS only... is it possible at all?
20:54:04DanselkyFont color and size
20:54:06Mikachuno
20:54:15tucozRedbreva, could you do: ls -l /bin/sh ?
20:54:19tucozwithout the ?
20:54:29DanselkyI like bigger fonts for the menus, but lots of info on the WPS
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20:55:07linuxstb_Setting SHELL=/bin/bash in the Makefile should work.
20:55:16tucozok, that is better
20:56:39Danselkyno one knows?
20:56:44Redbreva bin/sh -> dash
20:57:07RedbrevaWhereablouts in make - anywhere?
20:57:25linuxstb_Danselky: Mikachu already answered - you can't.
20:58:52tucozRedbreva, my guess is at the top somewhere
20:58:54perl|work invadrox makes the player unresponsive to any buttons, including power off, after the backlight fade (gigabeat target)
20:59:36tucozor do you set export SHELL=/bin/bash?
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21:00:09linuxstb_I think just SHELL=/bin/bash near the top should work.
21:00:42linuxstb_If the Makefile is using bash-isms, then we should probably add that in SVN.
21:01:02linuxstb_(or remove the bash-isms)
21:01:12Redbrevahmm, tried both - neither option seemed to make a difference
21:01:24linuxstb_Which Makefile?
21:01:45Redbrevathe one inside the manual_video build folder
21:02:02bluebrothertucoz, not necessarily −− except for the credits we don't use characters outside of ASCII, and the lower characters are identical to utf-8
21:02:21bluebrotherbut, if we happen to use extended characters, we need to use utf8 for them then
21:02:32bluebrotherunless we write them as latex control sequences
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21:02:46tucozah, so those will still work
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21:02:59bluebrotheryeah. No other changes necessary
21:03:03tucozgreat
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21:03:46bluebrotherthat's the great thing about utf8
21:04:04DanselkyDamn, sorry and thank you.
21:04:09linuxstb_Redbreva: Can you try changing the one in the main manual directory?
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21:05:36barrywardelldan_a: did you say before you had done some work on the sansa fm radio?
21:05:54Soul-Slayerbarrywardell: Are there any combinations of SVN and KoCOP patch that do infact increase performance?
21:05:58dan_abarrywardell: I've not got far with it
21:06:49Redbrevalinuxstb_: Great!! SHELL=/bin/bash in the manual directory did the job ;-) Thanks
21:07:01barrywardelldan_a: i have a tuner on my sansa so i was just curious
21:07:02tucozthen we should commit that imo
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21:08:15dan_abarrywardell: The radio is a bit mad. It looks like to tune it you write a random value to the tuner and then measure what frequency that gives you, and go up or down based on that.
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21:08:49linuxstb_That sounds more than a "bit mad".
21:09:20barrywardellthat sounds crazy
21:09:26dan_aI'm *sure* I'm missing something fundamental, but haven't figured out what yet.
21:09:27Soul-SlayerWhat an... Effective... System o.0.
21:09:45Mikachuwouldn't you only need to do that once, then you know how the "random" value relates to the freq?
21:10:06Soul-SlayerUnless it's randomised each boot...?
21:10:24Soul-SlayerWhere would the logic in that be o.0.
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21:11:05dan_aI guess so - or at least measure the highest and lowest frequencies, and see if the tuning is linear and work from there
21:11:28RedbrevaStrange, I seem to have a fully formed .pdf manual, but I got an error at the end of the compilation - /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
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21:12:09Redbrevamake[2]: *** [rockbox-build.pdf] Error 2
21:12:18BiptoNwhere's the install instructions for the 5.5 30gb?
21:12:34tucozmaybe there is another Makefile that needs fixing
21:12:45tucozas it calls /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash
21:13:03Redbrevaperhaps I need to leave it in the build dir makefile too
21:13:55tucozand if that does not work, try the Makefile.pdflatex
21:14:09tucozin the manual dir
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21:17:24Redbrevatucoz: Thanks - that was indeed the solution... both makefile and makefile.pdflatex in the manual dir needed SHELL=/bin/bash at the top... manual has now built to completion without errors...
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21:18:04tucozcool. thanks for the help with the bug-hunting
21:18:12Redbreva;-)
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21:26:32tucozbluebrother, should we commit the fix to be able to build the manual on ubuntu 6.10?
21:27:01tucozwe have to expect people to have /bin/bash though
21:28:38linuxstb_Do we know what dash isn't happy with??
21:29:36tucozhehe. you want to go for that route instead of the quick hack
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21:30:53tucozit is definitley better to find that out, albeit more work
21:31:03*linuxstb_ adds SHELL=/bin/dash to his Makefile
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21:31:42GodEaterdash... ?
21:31:55tucozdebians shell
21:32:04GodEaterthey need their own shell ?
21:32:17tucozsomething to do with licenses probably
21:32:24tucozand, it's a lot leaner than bash
21:33:01tucoz"A difference between dash and bash is the echo command : you can't escape characters : "\\n" always print a newline with dash, whereas it prints "\n" with bash."
21:33:07LearUbuntu changed to dash (for bin/sh) because it was smaller and faster.
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21:36:28linuxstb_Hmm.. Seems dash wants echo "\\\newcommand" to output "\newcommand"
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21:37:18linuxstb_The same in bash gives \\newcommand
21:37:30tucozexactly what i pasted ^^ ;)
21:38:18linuxstb_Ah, you meant that you can't escape characters in bash?
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21:38:53tucozhehe, i am not sure after i read that again
21:39:22linuxstb_The -e option to the bash echo will enable interpretation of escape codes.
21:40:11linuxstb_But yes, dash doesn't have a -e option, and interprets escape codes by default.
21:40:18tucozi see
21:41:01*linuxstb_ curses latex's use of \
21:41:32tucozis it possible to fix the makefiles then?
21:42:33linuxstb_Maybe by avoiding echo and using a different command
21:42:47tucozcat perhaps?
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21:46:58linuxstb_How could cat help?
21:48:04GodEaterI would just ask our Ubuntu user's nicely to install bash as another part of the toolchain
21:48:29GodEatertrying to accomodate too many other configurations is a recipe for a nasty headache for someone IMHO
21:49:21tucozlinuxstb, i am not sure actually
21:49:44linuxstb_The problem is that if we force the Makefile to use /bin/bash, it breaks building on systems with other (but compatible) shells, and no bash.
21:50:32GodEaterwhich systems are those /
21:50:33GodEater?
21:50:52Bagdermac os x and freebsd etc I guess
21:50:57linuxstb_Does cygwin always install bash?
21:51:09GodEaterthey don't use bash ?
21:51:16linuxstb_Mac OS X has always come with bash, and since about the 2nd version bash is the default shell.
21:51:18tucozthen we can tell them to symlink /bin/bash to their shell
21:51:21Bagderok
21:51:46GodEaterI was going to say. The last time I used OSX I could have sworn it was a bash shell!
21:51:54tucozis there an alternative to echo then?
21:52:14linuxstb_Maybe /bin/echo, I don't know how common that is though.
21:52:27linuxstb_(rather than the echo built into the shell)
21:52:49GodEaterI have a /bin/echo
21:53:16barrywardellis there a function already in rockbox to convert unix time to the time format used by timefuncs.c?
21:53:23GodEaterit's help text apparently doesn't recommend it's use
21:53:30GodEaterit says "use your shell's implementation"
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21:53:49GodEateror rather "your shell's implementation usually supercedes"
21:53:56barrywardellactually, i want to convert seconds since 1-jan-1980 to the right format
21:54:57GodEaterso not a unix time then
21:55:18GodEaterthat would be a unix time plus about ten years of seconds
21:55:25barrywardellno, 10 years off
21:55:40barrywardelli guess there's probably not...
21:55:59GodEaterI don't even know if there's such a thing in libc
21:56:03GodEaterlet alone rockbox
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21:56:21dan_aThe seconds, minutes and hours should be easy
21:56:35Bagderwell, the time diff from 1-jan-1970 to 1-jan-1980 is fixed...
21:57:04Bagderso with libc it would be easy I mean
21:57:22GodEaterthere's a good reason I'm not a professional programmer anymore :)
21:57:28Bagderhehe
21:57:40GodEaterother people are much better at it than me
21:57:51Bagder315532800 seconds is the diff
21:57:57barrywardellBagder: true. i could just add 10 years in seconds if there's already a function in rockbox. i don't see one though. would it be useful to have, or will i just do it in the rtc driver?
21:58:42Bagderdo it in the driver for now, and if someone else wants to use it later we can move it out
21:58:50Bagderimo
21:59:00barrywardellk
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21:59:59GodEaterdoes anyone know the mah figure for a default gigabeat F40 battery btw ?
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22:01:09linuxstb_Back to the manual, I can think of 3 options: 1) Tell dash users to change /bin/sh; 2) Add SHELL=/bin/bash to the Makefiles; or 3) Use /bin/echo
22:01:35barrywardellat least setting the clock will be easy. there's already mktime in timefuncs.c :)
22:01:35sonnybobicheok so i have found a serious bug in the video ipod version of rockbox
22:01:44sonnybobichebut nobody seems to want to hear about it
22:02:04Bagdersonnybobiche: there's a bug tracker you know
22:02:12sonnybobichei did not!
22:02:18sonnybobicheexcellent where to?
22:02:21Bagdercheck the left-side menu of the site
22:02:46sonnybobichewell...
22:03:01sonnybobichei thought that was just like... reports of known bugs
22:03:03Bagder"bug reports" it says
22:03:06sonnybobichei feel a bit silly now
22:03:13Bagderhehe
22:03:54hcsBagder: I'm going to be committing a change suggested by a patch on FS soon, should I just ask for it to be closed or might I get that permission on FS?
22:04:11hcsFS #6603, btw
22:04:13Bagderhcs: tell me your FS name and I'll give you the superpowers
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22:04:50hcsBagder: AdamGashlin
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22:05:30Bagdernow you can close
22:05:38hcshuzzah
22:06:11hcsjust gotta wait for the build tests to finish here
22:06:19*GodEater wonders whether sonnybobiche will search and see if his bug is already logged
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22:07:53perl|workGodEater 850mah i believe
22:08:05GodEateronly 850 ?
22:08:12GodEaterwow
22:08:30GodEaterand what battery life are people getting ?
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22:09:34tucozlinuxstb, i like 2) best
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22:11:52perl|workGodEater up to 20 hours
22:12:11GodEaterthat is outstanding from an 850mah battery
22:12:28]RowaN[guys i used mi4code to decrypt sansa 1.03 firmware.. but when i try and dualboot into it, it just hangs on the Refresh Database screen. Is that normal? time for recovery mode perhaps..
22:12:50sonnybobichereport submitted!
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22:13:07Bagder]RowaN[: I don't think we've heard that before, no
22:13:35]RowaN[bugger
22:13:56sonnybobicheis there a particular build of rockbox that gets more attention than any other?
22:13:58]RowaN[it should work ok?
22:14:29]RowaN[im not sure what i should name the mi4 file i copy over when in recovery mode.. i gather 1.03 looks for firmware.mi4 instead of pp5022.mi4. i dont want to double brick my sansa =]
22:14:32Bagder]RowaN[: I'm not sure if anyone tried with 1.03 before
22:14:51Bagderfirmware.mi4 afaik
22:14:59]RowaN[here goes nothing..
22:15:24Bagderand putting a bad mi4 on it in recovery mode does not brick it
22:16:17BagderI would expect using the wrong file name just will make the player ignore the file
22:16:34Bagderbut who knows
22:16:59]RowaN[ookkk.. recovery mode is not giving me the recovery mode screen
22:17:19sonnybobichegah my bug was already reported, but there seems to be a slight variation
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22:18:08]RowaN[ladies and gentlemen we have a brick
22:18:19Mikachucongratulations
22:18:38*hcs prepares the 21-bootloader salute
22:19:29Bagder]RowaN[: e200tool time...
22:19:54Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html#usbmodes
22:20:58Zagoryou can never have too many usb modes :)
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22:21:46Bagderexactly
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22:22:30]RowaN[AH.....
22:22:50]RowaN[the rockbox Help page gives instructions for accessing MANUFACTURING mode under the heading "Recovery mode"
22:23:04]RowaN[on this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting
22:23:22]RowaN[whats the process for recovery mode?
22:23:38Bagdersee the url I pasted
22:23:47Bagderand about 7 lines down
22:23:47]RowaN[ah hold record
22:23:55]RowaN[got recovery mode yay! =]
22:25:14]RowaN[thanks bagder
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22:25:24]RowaN[just to clarify, that page i pasted is giving the wrong instructions under "Recovery Mode" title
22:25:32BagderI've fixed it now
22:25:37]RowaN[cool
22:25:50]RowaN[and my dad said i would amount to nothing!
22:25:50Xaarhi
22:26:00Bagder:-)
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22:26:43preglowbah
22:26:57preglowi wish pagefault would have uploaded that bloody spc player of his
22:27:08Xaari have a ask, with rockbox, can i use itunes for synchronate music of my computer to ipod 30gb 5.5 ?
22:27:19Bagderhcs: remember to ask for his name (FS #6603) and add it to the credits
22:27:22TrueJournalsXaar: if you use iTunesAgent you can
22:27:26TrueJournals(http://ita.sf.net)
22:27:27Genre9mp3preglow: have you seen hcs patch?
22:27:37Xaarthank i go to seek this
22:27:47TrueJournalsno problem
22:28:03preglowGenre9mp3: no... but he did talk about it, and it sounded nice
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22:28:23Genre9mp3preglow: FS #6542
22:28:24hcsBagder: hm, ok, is there any way to contact him besides asking on the task?
22:28:40Genre9mp3preglow: It's realtime and works pretty well
22:28:41Bagderhcs: nope, not if no other info has been given
22:28:55Bagderir
22:28:57Bagderor
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22:29:06Bagderwell, his email is available on his account page
22:29:12Bagderat least to me
22:29:19preglowGenre9mp3: pagefault said he had it going with all bells and whistles realtime on an ipod
22:29:37Bagder... but that's probably only because I'm an admin
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22:30:14preglowGenre9mp3: doesn't that codec disable echo and interpolation and stuff to make it realtime?
22:30:16hcsBagder: yeah, I don't have it
22:30:33Genre9mp3preglow: hcs is here so you better ask him
22:30:35Genre9mp3:)
22:31:09hcspreglow: we use linear interpolation now, but yeah, echo disabled on ipod
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22:31:27hcsand with that nearly everything is full speed
22:31:40hcswith echo there'd be a few that don't quite make it
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22:32:00preglowhcs: at 32khz?
22:32:07hcspreglow: yeah
22:32:09Genre9mp3preglow: Also, if you are _that_ interested on pagefault's never submited patch... a "/whois pagefault" gives me "pagefault on #zsnes" ;)
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22:32:51preglowGenre9mp3: i know, and i've msged him, never got an answer
22:33:02hcspreglow: he claims to have lost it
22:33:09preglowhcs: well, that solves that, then
22:33:18Genre9mp3hmmm.. weird
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22:33:24Xaarhum a another ask TrueJournals with itunesagent, i cant take my *.mp3 same as itunes original or edit my older playlist created by the real itunes?
22:33:39preglowpeople should post patches earlier
22:34:02hcsindeed, I know I like to post things as soon as they're working, before even
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22:38:11preglowthe gaussian interpolation is table based, yes?
22:38:18TrueJournalsXaar: With ita, you can sync all your .mp3 files, but you cannot sync playlists I don't believe... I'm not really quite sure...
22:38:38hcspreglow: yes, and you can easily enable it when building the patch if you want to check it out
22:38:57hcsthat and echo are controlled by preprocessor defines at the top of spc.c
22:39:33Xaari think too of it's only for sync playlist into a hdd same as a usb key or other ^^
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22:39:59preglowhcs: i'll give it a listen
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22:41:19]RowaN[hmm my sansa isnt showing up as a drive anymore, from OF usb connection. maybe my poor pc needs a little reboot.. its had a busy day
22:41:24hcspreglow: linear interpolation also uses sample caching which helps out as well
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22:41:48preglowhcs: sample caching as it caches a sample after having interpolated it at a specific pitch?
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22:42:09hcspreglow: no, just caches the decoded samples from BRR
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22:43:18preglowhcs: what's with putting the source files straight in codecs/ ?
22:43:57hcspreglow: blargg did that... I had it all in one file but he split it back out, and I was too lazy to make a subdirectory
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22:50:58Xaargood night all +
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22:51:29preglowhmm
22:51:37preglowthere's some scratching here that doesn't sound too nice
22:51:48preglowi wonder if that's the resampler...
22:51:58preglowit is...
22:52:42preglowooh, ff6 soundtrack
22:52:47preglowthis deserves a whiskey
22:54:02preglowwhat's with the super long fading? rockbox does its own fading
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22:55:37preglowhcs: but it does sound decent, yes
22:55:47hcspreglow: er, fading... I read tags
22:56:01preglowh1x0 with echo and gaussian interpolation and it does skip from time to time, though, that needs fixing
22:56:04preglowhcs: i mean fading on pause
22:56:43preglowsweet lord, this resampler really, really needs fixing
22:57:16hcspreglow: well, echo and gaussian interpolation is disabled on anything but gigabeat builds, by default, the fading is slow because so much cpu is being used the fader doesn't get a lot of time
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22:57:42]RowaN[for anyone interested, here is the latest windows binary of mi4code http://rapidshare.com/files/14314056/mi4code_0.9.31-beta__January_25_2007_.zip.html
22:57:43preglowreally now
22:57:48preglowthat's pretty slow
22:58:01]RowaN[use at your own risk =]
22:58:04hcsthat's why I have fade on pause disabled
22:58:10Bagder]RowaN[: thanks
22:58:16preglowi have that too, but my settings seem to be reset
22:58:18]RowaN[np
22:58:22preglowhmm
22:58:29preglowdsp doesn't seem to be optimised at all
22:59:12hcsspc dsp?
22:59:28preglowyes
22:59:36preglowmy dsp is at least somewhat optimised :)
22:59:45hcsany improvements I'd be glad to consider
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23:00:19preglowthe fir filter at least is bEGGING for some nice emac asm
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23:00:57hcsoh, well, I'd rather avoid that, and I don't consider the fir to terribly important anyway
23:00:59preglowthis thing is structured really badly for optimising, though
23:01:01hcsclass now, later
23:01:02preglowit does A TON of stuff per sample
23:01:21preglowthe fir is important, it does a ton of memory acceses
23:01:39hcs(as in, I can just throw it out and it doesn't bother me)
23:02:06preglowit would me
23:02:28hcsI look forward to checking out your improvements, bye
23:02:39preglowthis dsp loop really is structured badly :/
23:03:06preglowoh, you won't see any anytime soon, but perhaps in a couple of days
23:03:07preglowbye
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23:07:43tucozbluebrother: i got virtualbox running with shared folders
23:08:10tucozbluebrother: it only works if you download the proprietary build
23:09:33tucozto use it, you install the virtualbox guest additions. that is on a iso in the program installation that you mount and run a script from (from within the vm)
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23:20:03bospaadjeok i got a question about the bug tracker, I'm having a problem similar to the one described in here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199, but on my ipod nano
23:20:24bospaadjeI was told that, because it has a colour screen, the fix will probably be completely different
23:20:36bospaadjeshould I open a new bug report for this?
23:20:52Bagderno, submit a comment in the existing one about it
23:21:10bospaadjeok, done that already
23:21:47bospaadjei just wondered, cause it mentions in the original bug report specifically the player it involves (mini2G or something)
23:22:10*preglow hugs rockbox
23:22:45preglowyou can't beat esoteric format support
23:24:21Mikachuyou're closing in on xmms
23:24:34preglowbut xmms is crap
23:24:52bospaadjeindeed
23:24:54Mikachui mean in the esoteric format support department, it was not meant as an insult :)
23:25:17preglowMikachu: it automatically becomes an insult when mentioned in a context apart from how much xmms sucks
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23:25:32pregloweven then it's sketchy
23:25:55preglowsweet lord, this resampler is capable of some heavy-duty clicking
23:25:56Mikachuin that case i change my statement to {}
23:26:15*preglow summons people knowledgable about playback.c
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23:29:23TrueJournalsHey, if anyone here was waiting for a newer version of the kernel_on_cop patch... I just made one and I'd like other people to test it
23:29:47TrueJournalsHard to say if it works or not... seems to be working fine for me though...
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23:31:53Mikachuyou just changed yield() to sleep(HZ)?
23:31:59preglowif the resampler would suddenly stop clicking, this spc plugin is pretty decent as is
23:32:17*Mikachu hugs interdiff
23:32:41Soul-SlayerTrueJournals, I would love to test it for you, one little problem though... You couldn't compile me a H10 5gb version could you :$?
23:33:43TrueJournalsSoul-Slayer: I'll do that right now... give me just a second...
23:33:54Soul-SlayerThanks a lot.
23:34:12TrueJournalsnp
23:34:39preglowwhat does kernel_on_cop do again? put a kernel on the cop as well?
23:34:50TrueJournalsyes
23:34:57preglowdo we need a fully fledged kernel there?
23:34:57Soul-SlayerNot 'as well', but instead, I believe
23:34:58Mikachui think it puts the kernel on the cop
23:35:01Mikachunot a
23:35:01TrueJournalsand it enables audio playback on the cop instead of the main core
23:35:08preglowwhy would we want to put the kernel only on the cop?
23:35:21TrueJournalswell, it's on both
23:35:29TrueJournalsI'm not sure about the specifics :-\
23:35:30Soul-SlayerSo as to free up a processor for other tasks
23:35:32Mikachui think linuxstb has something to do with it
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23:36:42preglowi still think using the second core for the codec only is pretty much what we want
23:36:52preglowbut then again, i'm not involved in it at all
23:37:02TrueJournalsit is... but I think we need a kernel on the second core to do that
23:37:08TrueJournalslike I said, I'm not quite sure...
23:37:13Mikachurunning the lcd and codec on separate cores would seem the smart thing to do
23:37:28Soul-SlayerCurrently, the COP just sits there doing nothing. Pretty much anything running on it has to be a step forward :p
23:37:43TrueJournalsit does that... lcd = core 1, codec = core 2
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23:38:39preglowTrueJournals: then i don't see the need for a kernel on it
23:38:50Soul-SlayerI'm sure there is reasoning behind it
23:38:55TrueJournalsLike I said... I'm really not quite sure about why
23:39:04Soul-SlayerWould have to speak to someone like barrywardell or linuxstb I guess
23:39:12Zagorthe reasoning could be "it's good in case we want to do something else in the future"
23:39:14TrueJournalsexactly
23:39:22Zagor...which would not be a good reason
23:39:29TrueJournalslol
23:39:35Mikachuswedish logic
23:39:41ZagorKISS logic
23:39:53Zagordon't add code you don't use today
23:40:24TrueJournalsI'm actually not quite even sure that at this point the kernel runs on the cop... it might just be the audio codec. With recent patches if I go to view OS stacks, I just see the codec on the second core... nothing else
23:40:31Mikachui vaguely remember something about irqs only going to the main cpu, or something
23:40:58Bagderthat could possibly be controlled somehow
23:41:03preglowinded
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23:41:08preglowi'm sure it can
23:41:14BagderI hacked on a dual-core thing recently that could do it that way
23:41:55preglowi'm 99% certain i speaked to the ipl people about that
23:42:08TrueJournalsSoul-Slayer: I'm zipping up the two files, I'll upload them to rapidshare.com and give you the link, OK?
23:42:14preglowlots of the reg addresses have separate addresse for cop and cpu anyway
23:42:23preglowwell, some, at least
23:42:31Soul-SlayerSure thing. Two files?
23:42:32XavierGrah preglow, and I was wondering what all these clicks on SPC files are...
23:42:42preglowXavierGr: that's the resampler, tell it i said hi
23:43:00TrueJournalstwo files: rockbox.zip (rockbox itsself), and H10.mi4 (new bootloader... not quite sure if you need it.. I think you do though)
23:43:01XavierGrbut I thought it was coming from the SPCs because I have some ripped SPCs that click too
23:43:09preglowXavierGr: they really shouldn't
23:43:17Soul-SlayerAha, okay
23:43:17Mikachuan spc is just a memdump, not a recording
23:43:51Soul-SlayerI'll just remove my current rockbox setup
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23:44:03XavierGrpreglow: beats me
23:44:14TrueJournalsIt's uploading...
23:44:16XavierGrwhen the resampler is going to get better :P
23:44:28XavierGr^+?
23:44:52TrueJournalsSoul-Slayer: http://rapidshare.com/files/14320116/56-cop-rockbox.zip
23:44:55preglowwhen someone figures out what's wrong with it
23:45:07TrueJournalsPut H10.mi4 in your system folder and extract rockbox.zip to the root of your H10
23:45:11preglowi've had looks at the resampler code itself, and i can't find anything wrong
23:45:16preglowi suspect it's in playback.c the error is
23:45:19TrueJournalslet me know how it works
23:45:24Soul-SlayerOkay, I'll take it from here, thank you.
23:45:31TrueJournalsno problem
23:46:51XavierGrI wish the plaback system was somewhat more stable...
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23:49:22Soul-SlayerRight, first off this bootloader isn't working, so I'll try it with my old one again
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23:50:03TrueJournalshm... the first bootloader I made for my H10 didn't work either
23:50:03Soul-SlayerOkay, were in. How would you like me to test it?
23:50:16TrueJournalsdoes it seem to be running at normal speed?
23:50:34Soul-SlayerScrolls up and down this list of my root directory fine, yes
23:50:34TrueJournalsTest it by playing a music file and trying to play a game like jewels... see if the music pauses at all
23:50:42Soul-SlayerOkay, hold on
23:51:42JohnyTheHessgood evening to you all. I would lilke to speak to someone who is familiar with using rockbox on the sandisk sansa series 250? hope I have that right. I have the 8 gig and would like to know if before loading the files if I need to put it in to a specivic mode and if theer is a shortcut to do this? this was not specified in the manual.
23:52:17Soul-SlayerVery interesting... Let me try running Jewels without playing music
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23:52:30TrueJournalsdoes the music pause when playing music?
23:53:01Soul-SlayerNo, and Jewels appears to run at full speed too, atleast I think so, thats why I am testing it without music
23:53:12TrueJournalsin that case, it seems that my patch works well :-D
23:53:22Soul-SlayerYep, Jewels runs same speed with and without music
23:53:32TrueJournalsone more thing...
23:53:32Zagorwoo, check this out: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/tailreader.pl?date=20070131
23:53:36Soul-SlayerI'll try it with the 'Plasma' plugin, that always lagged like crazy when I ran it with Music, hold on
23:53:40ZagorI just need to make it autoscroll too
23:53:56Mikachuajaxy
23:54:03preglowZagor: oooh, snappy
23:54:29Soul-SlayerPlasma still runs jumpily it seems
23:54:33ZagorMikachu: yeah you'd think so, but this is actually plain http.
23:54:37TrueJournalsWhen you still have music playing, go to the rockbox menu, go to Info > Debug > View OS stacks, see if it says (1) B 4 codec at the bottom (well, at least make sure it says (1) before codec)
23:54:45Soul-SlayerOk
23:55:28Soul-SlayerIt flashes between
23:55:28Soul-Slayer(1) *R 4 codec: 93%
23:55:28Soul-Slayer(1) S 4 codec: 93%
23:55:33Soul-SlayerBut definitely has that (1), yes
23:55:38TrueJournalscool
23:55:45TrueJournalsthen I would say my patch works well :-D
23:56:05Soul-SlayerWell done :p
23:56:05tchanI wanted to know if a used iriver h320 is worth upgrading (battery and hard drive) to run rockbox on it ? A friend is willing to sell his player cheap (bad battery).
23:56:07Soul-SlayerWhere was the problem?
23:56:15TrueJournalsI duno
23:56:17Soul-SlayerLol
23:56:21TrueJournalsI just resycned kernel_on_cop_6
23:56:28Soul-SlayerInteresting
23:56:34TrueJournalsmaybe barry left out something in kernel_on_cop_7 or something...
23:56:40Soul-SlayerQuite possibly
23:56:45TrueJournalsanyway, I gotta go for now... I'll be back later
23:56:53Soul-SlayerOkay then, well done :P. See you around.
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23:58:13JohnyTheHess?``Good evening can anyone tell me if I need to put the sansa sandisk player in a particular mode for loading the rockbox files and if theer is a shortcut to doing this rather then using the menus?

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