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#rockbox log for 2007-02-12

00:00:22AlbrightIs there a trick to installing WPS screens? I dragged the file and its folder into /.rockbox/wps/ but it's not showing up in Rockbox's theme chooser.
00:00:41peturtheme <−−> wps
00:00:49LloreanAlbright: Themes and WPSes are not the same thing
00:00:55peturinstall the complete theme or choose a wps ;)
00:01:33DataGhosthey linuxstb
00:01:40DataGhostyou can shoot me in the foot
00:01:43DataGhost.config: #define DRAM_SIZE 0x02000000
00:01:46linuxstb_I think plugin actions are possible, they just need more thought. e.g. like core Rockbox, you need different action contexts for different screens in the plugin. So we'll end up with lots of contexts, but I think it will make plugins easier to write and more consistent.
00:01:46DataGhost-_-
00:02:13linuxstb_I was just wondering if it was in the .config file...
00:02:24DataGhostI figured out through reading the source, heh
00:02:53DataGhostit doesn't work, though
00:04:19pixelmalinuxstb: I think you'll end up with a lot of exceptions in the c-file and will have to double check between c-file and pluginlib_actions
00:04:52Mikachumost plugins will be able to use some default stuff, but some will need exceptions
00:05:00Mikachustuff like sudoku and sokoban should be fine
00:05:06linuxstb_What kind of exceptions are you talking about?
00:05:39Mikachuwell, it depens on if you call a buttonmap only one plugin uses an exception
00:06:25pixelmalinuxstb: there already is one exception for the Ondio in bubbles.c although there are only two plugins moved
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00:07:52TrueJournalsyay! I have a 778 MB development environment with tons of programs :-p
00:08:39pixelmaMikachu: I'm thinking of how scroll ffwd/back is used. For example it makes sense in Bubbles to use it as left/right to aim but for me it also makes sense to use it as up/down somewhere else
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00:08:48DataGhostI think this will be a slightly harder one, linuxstb... it still works with mem=32M and DRAM_SIZE=0x04000000 but not without mem= or with mem=64M
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00:09:41pixelmaas an example
00:09:49Mikachui'm too tired to think correctly about it now :)
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00:11:16linuxstb_pixelma: That's what I mean about needing lots of action contexts. I don't think it's a problem to have contexts specifically for one plugin.
00:11:37amiconnWhat would be the advantage then?
00:11:43pixelmawhat's the difference then?
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00:12:18linuxstb_Simpler code?
00:13:06linuxstb_Makes programmers at least consider using an existing action context for a new plugin...
00:14:01Albright Hmm, okay, I've got this theme working, but the elements on the WPS screen seem to be out of alignment with the background.
00:14:04pixelmaI don't know...
00:14:20peturAlbright: using the correct font?
00:14:24AlbrightWPS screen? Is that like a PIN Number on an ATM Machine?
00:14:39AlbrightPetur: I believe so. How would I confirm that?
00:14:46peturAlbright: did you install the fontpack?
00:14:51AlbrightYes.
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00:15:05AlbrightAnd the theme came with some other fonts. I installed those as well.
00:15:18AlbrightI'll double check though.
00:15:30pixelmaAlbright: maybe the theme you want to use needs patches...
00:15:33peturanything special about the theme? maybe requires special patches?
00:16:21AlbrightIt doesn't say it does...
00:16:30AlbrightThe one I'm trying to use is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Ajant_Blue_5g
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00:17:02AlbrightYes, fonts are in there.
00:21:04linuxstb_pixelma: Looking at bubbles, the problem is the "non-Rockbox" opening screen. If it was a menu with a normal options setting for the starting level, and "play game" "show high scores" options, then there wouldn't be a need for the hack for the Ondio.
00:22:34JdGordonlinuxstb: well thats easily fixed if its a big problem....
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00:27:01Albrighthttp://anre.org/crap/Rockbox-Dump.png
00:27:09AlbrightThere's the WPS that's screwing up on me.'
00:27:38Mikachudid you select the theme file or just the wps file when you switched to it?
00:27:47linuxstb_"You don't have permission to access /crap/Rockbox-Dump.png on this server."
00:27:57*petur has :p
00:28:03AlbrightI believe the whole theme, since other menus and stuff changed appearance too.
00:28:06Albrightlinuxstb: Try reloading.
00:30:36linuxstb_According to this page - http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 - that WPS needs the helvB12 font. Try selecting that font manually.
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00:31:51webguest96hi
00:32:35Albrightlinuxstb: Looks like that did it. Thanks.
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00:34:30AlbrightNow one more pesky question... When I'm using the database, and looking under Albums, why is Rockbox showing some albums as having two copies of each song?
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00:35:46linuxstb_Do you use a Mac?
00:35:52AlbrightYes.
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00:36:11AlbrightI'll try re-initializing it.
00:36:23linuxstb_Try running the disktidy plugin first.
00:36:56AlbrightWhoops, already started. Okay, if this doesn't fix it, I'll try that.
00:37:24linuxstb_I don;'t know if it's related (I don't use the database), but Mac OS X will put files called (IIRC) ._trackname.mp3 next to trackname.mp3 - maybe the database indexes them.
00:37:26AlbrightI'm assuming it deletes OS X's annoying hidden resource files?
00:37:58linuxstb_It does.
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00:41:23AlbrightHmm, it looks like just re-initing the database fixed it.
00:41:39AlbrightBut I'll keep that in mind for the next time I'm having a problem.
00:42:18AlbrightBy the way, I tried Rockbox with my NewerTech TRAFFICJamz FM transmitter last night and it worked perfectly.
00:42:36AlbrightNot sure if that's Rockbox's "fault" that it worked, but if so, awesome.
00:42:46AlbrightI wasn't expecting it to.
00:44:56JdGordonhas anyone else had problems loading a wps from a theme? re fs6640?
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00:46:35linuxstb_Albright: Thinking about it, I don't think the resource files will be a problem - the database generation code should (hopefully) reject those files as unrecognised.
00:47:09Albrightlinuxstb_: Yeah, I wasn't thinking the two problems were related...
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00:52:40markunperldiver: you are right, the font is not in the .cfg file, strange..
00:53:01perldiverto clear the old backdrop would be nice as well
00:54:52*linuxstb hopes he hasn't found a Rockbox FAT bug...
00:55:02markunperldiver: I think I found out what's wrong (stupid copy paste typo)
00:55:53perldivergood, nothing serious then
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00:56:10linuxstbI saved a file (accidentally) as config01.cfgA and then another as config01.cfg. They should have been different (one was a normal .cfg, the other a theme .cfg), but checking them in Linux, they were both identical. I then tried to delete both files in Linux, and now I have a corrupt config01.cfgA entry...
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01:00:58JdGordonlinuxstb: are the only settings changed from default the theme ones?>
01:01:10JdGordonthat woulc explain why they are the same... but the next bit is just odd
01:01:18RasmusseNI've been thinking lately the Zune would be a very good player if it had rockbox anyone else think?
01:01:22JdGordondircache enabled?
01:01:38linuxstbJdGordon: I'm sure it's nothing you've done... And no, dircache isn't enabled.
01:01:44JdGordonRasmusseN: no, noeone in this channel thinks... thinking is for the working class...
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01:01:57JdGordonfilesystem bug maybe?
01:02:05RasmusseNlol so what class are you?
01:02:14JdGordonthe upper class.. duh!
01:02:19RasmusseNlawl
01:02:20linuxstbAnd yes, it's done it again...
01:03:16RasmusseNthe zune + rockbox = sweet
01:03:28markunRasmusseN: really?
01:03:28JdGordonsugar == sweet
01:03:55RasmusseNmarkun: I would think so
01:04:05linuxstbI wonder if it's a Linux bug, or Rockbox... If I mount my ipod with "-t msdos" (i.e. only showing the shortnames), then the files appear with different (correct) filesizes. Mounting it with "-t vfat", I get the same size for both files.
01:04:09RasmusseNjdGordon sugar is sweet but your not
01:04:30markunRasmusseN: I think it would be a long while before rockbox could use the Zune hardware to it's full potential
01:05:30JdGordonlinuxstb did you make the theme the 2nd time or the first time?
01:05:48scorchehmph...anyone have any guesses why the VMware image jumped 165 megs after running rockboxdev.sh and re arranging a few files so it would be concurrent with that script in the future?
01:06:22linuxstbIt still has the gcc source somewhere?
01:06:31RasmusseNmarkun: I've heard the zune is a rebranded Gigabeats which rockbox has been actively developing a port for.
01:06:34linuxstbJdGordon: The theme was the second file I wrote.
01:06:45scorchei deleted it from /root
01:06:54linuxstbRasmusseN: Rockbox runs on different gigabeats to the one similar to the Zune.
01:07:05RasmusseNahhh
01:07:25linuxstbThe S series is similar to the Zune, Rockbox runs on the F and X series.
01:07:27safetydanRasmusseN, plus the parts that make the Zune unique (the WiFi adapter) would take a lot of work to get going in Rockbox
01:07:28markunRasmusseN: ah yes, I've heard about the Gigabeat port :)
01:07:53RasmusseNdon't you think it would be worth it to work on the Zune though?
01:08:37LloreanWorth what?
01:08:54RasmusseNworth the work for porting the sunze
01:08:56RasmusseNzune*
01:09:11safetydanApart from WiFi, what's special about the Zune?
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01:09:25LloreanWouldn't it be more likely worth it for someone who already has a zune, and wants a Rockbox player, than for people who have one or more Rockbox players that suit their needs well enough?
01:09:31RasmusseNthe casing is better than the ipod it's stronger
01:09:44RasmusseNthe portrait screen
01:09:46safetydanRasmussen, that's hardly unique to the Zune
01:09:49RasmusseNit's different
01:09:49linuxstb_It's got an extremely powerful CPU...
01:10:13linuxstb_Lots of DSP fun would be possible.
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01:10:22linuxstb_(there's also an FPU)
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01:10:23safetydanlinuxstb_, I already think the GigaBeat is going to be the death of optimisation in Rockbox :)
01:10:31safetydanoo... now an FPU has me interested.
01:10:46RasmusseNwhat is an FPU?
01:10:52scorchefloating point unit
01:11:00RasmusseNhmmm still no idea heh
01:11:06scorchewikipedia
01:11:10RasmusseNkk
01:11:15JdGordonthe bit that can count with decimal points :p
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01:11:59RasmusseNahh i c now
01:12:34RasmusseNwho knows the 6G ipod may be what i am looking for
01:12:45RasmusseNbut he knows when that is coming out heh
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01:13:12linuxstb_And the next ipod is likely to be equally as hard to hack as the latest Nano, so don't hold your breath.
01:13:15RasmusseNbut the ipod is soo popular so fadish it's annoying
01:13:30RasmusseNwhy do you need to hack the ipod anyways though?
01:14:00safetydandear lord... is the Zune CPU really running at greaer than 500 MHz?
01:14:17linuxstb_RasmusseN: You're in #rockbox...
01:14:21linuxstb_That's what we do.
01:14:27RasmusseNheh
01:14:44RasmusseNso does rockbox support FLAC?
01:14:45markunsafetydan: yes
01:14:50EbErTnyes
01:14:52safetydanRasmusseN, yes
01:14:56EbErTyesyes
01:15:02RasmusseNthat's nice but battery life is greatly shortened
01:15:08RasmusseNsince the buffer is too small
01:15:15markunsafetydan: btw, it has a floating point 'vector' unit
01:15:39safetydanmarkun, I noticed that qualifier while looking at the specs of the CPU.
01:15:49linuxstb_RasmusseN: Yes, but FLAC is also very efficient in terms of CPU usage, so it's not that bad.
01:15:50LloreanRasmusseN: But FLACs are computationally simpler to decode, so it balances out to an extent.
01:16:05markunand some hardware support for video de- and encoding, but I don't know exactly how easy that is to use
01:16:05RasmusseNso is it easier than ALAC?
01:16:42RasmusseNis it even worth using lossless on a portable setup anyways?
01:16:42linuxstb_In theory, slightly easier. In practice, Rockbox's FLAC decoder is much more optimised than its ALAC decoder.
01:17:05RasmusseNi c
01:17:19safetydanRasmusseN, in general, no it's not worth using lossless on a portable unit.
01:17:24RasmusseNi c
01:17:38RasmusseNi've seen some pretty crazy portable setups though
01:18:34RasmusseNipods with the imod and a portable amp plus a nice pair of IEM
01:19:15LloreanEven then, properly encoded lossy files should be more than good enough, barring artifacts.
01:19:19linuxstb_safetydan: It depends on your reasons. For me, I use FLAC because it's easier not to have to transcode, and I can live with the reduced capacity and battery life.
01:19:48LloreanThat's the same reason I use FLAC.
01:20:17LloreanThe 'I'm lazy, and only use my MP3 player for 6 hours or less between having access to somewhere I can charge' excuse
01:20:28RasmusseNthat would be tight if the zune could receive music from your computer lets say wirelessly
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01:21:22RasmusseNalmost all my music on my computer is lossy either ALAC or FLAC so if i got a portable setup it would be easier if the portable player already supported those.
01:22:10safetydanlinuxstb_, horses for courses of course
01:22:34RasmusseNi could always have a lossy library and lossless library of both one for home and one for portable but that would take up more HD space and kinda be a waste.
01:22:39linuxstb_safetydan: Of course. I'm just saying audio quality isn't the only reason for FLAC.
01:23:16RasmusseN320kbps MP3 sounds decent but just lifeless and flat compared to lossless
01:23:18busa_bladeall, I was seeing if it would be possible to split the jpeg plugin off into a directory called image_viewer?
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01:23:36busa_bladethat way more capability could be added
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01:24:01RasmusseNis there anyway around the Zune Marketplace? if anyone knows btw
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01:24:06safetydanRasmusseN, have you actually ABX'd your opinion on that?
01:24:18RasmusseNon what?
01:24:24RasmusseN320kbps vs lossless?
01:24:28safetydanRasmusseN, yes
01:24:29RasmusseNyes
01:24:46safetydanWell that makes you a step ahead of most people who claim to hear a difference :)
01:24:49LloreanRasmusseN: A proper ABX? What tool did you use?
01:24:50RasmusseNidk if i could tell on a portable setup though as my home setup is higher quality
01:25:11RasmusseNi ripped two albums one lossless one mp3 320kbps
01:25:13markunbusa_blade: how far did you get?
01:25:15*safetydan can only tell below 160 kbps if it's encoded with lame
01:25:34BigMacanyone here use ubuntu?
01:25:36RasmusseNwhat kind of audio setup do you have though?
01:25:44busa_bladeBigMac: I do
01:25:55LloreanRasmusseN: Just comparing two albums isn't what 'ABX' means.
01:26:19RasmusseNwell if i was able to tell from two different albums i'd say it was noticable enough
01:26:24busa_bladeI think it is ready to put into the main tree but I would need someone else to look at it and possibly upload it
01:26:29safetydanRasmussenN, Sony MDR-V6 headphones with an iRiver H120
01:26:49Lloreanbusa_blade: Have you simply posted it as a patch to the tracker?
01:27:09RasmusseNsafterydan: that is actually a pretty good audio setup doesn't that player have optical out?
01:27:09busa_bladenot yet
01:27:28safetydanRasmusseN, yes it does, but I've never used it.
01:27:29busa_bladebecause I am not sure how to do it because it is very different
01:27:35BigMacbusa_blade, pm'd
01:27:38busa_bladeI moved it into a directory
01:27:43LloreanRasmusseN: I've met people who claim they can hear the difference between FLAC and the original. Unless you're doing actual blind testing, it really doesn't mean much. The placebo effect is startlingly strong.
01:27:43markunsafetydan: do you use the noisy headphone amp of the iriver?
01:28:00busa_bladeand split the code into 4 files
01:28:01safetydanmarkun, yup
01:28:16busa_blade2 headers and two c files
01:28:40markunsafetydan: normally I don't even notice it, until a song stops and you keep hearing the noise
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01:28:44linuxstb_busa_blade: Just tar/zip the new directory and upload it. Or do "svn add" with the new files/directory and then an "svn diff"
01:28:53RasmusseNllorean i renamed them mixed them and randomed them and played them and wrote down what i thoguht was the mp3 and the lossless.
01:29:09safetydanmarkun, I'm rarely listening loud enough to notice any amp noise
01:29:10busa_bladewouldn't I need svn privileges?
01:29:19busa_bladeI am used to cvs, so I don't specifically know
01:29:25linuxstb_I don't think so. Try it.
01:29:29busa_bladeok
01:29:35linuxstb_svn does more locally than cvs.
01:29:46safetydanbusa_blade, no you can do those things with subversion without commit rights
01:29:51RasmusseNafter the test most of my answers were correct.
01:30:01markunRasmusseN: that sucks then :)
01:30:02RasmusseNand i am not even that crazy into audio
01:30:12RasmusseNi've seen people tell the difference between cables
01:30:19markunor don't you mind your music sounding flat and lifeless?
01:30:20busa_bladeoh great
01:30:34Lloreansafetydan: Actually, on the H120 I find I hear a lot of hiss at _low_ volumes with my in-ear phones. =/
01:30:36RasmusseNi like my music to sound the same as the cd
01:30:36busa_bladeI did a add... do I need to commit?
01:30:37SoapAlbright: are you still here? and do you have a wiki account?
01:31:08EbErTi had an iriver cd mp3player that sounded amazing
01:31:13linuxstb_busa_blade: I thought you were just creating a patch?
01:31:34safetydanLlorean, well that's crap. The only problem I have with the H120 is the damn ticking with the remote. Which basically means I've given up using that.
01:31:36Soapeveryone else, I made a new wikipage http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories - hopefully we can build a table of known-good and known-bad behaving iPod Accessories with Rockbox.
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01:31:54busa_bladewell, someone said that if I wanted to break the file up, then I would need to put it in it's own directory
01:32:06BigMacbusa_blade, You going to read my pm?
01:32:14RasmusseNwhat would you guys get ipod 5.5gen 30GB, zune, or zen vision m?
01:32:30markunRasmusseN: I know a guy with perfect pitch hearing. More a curse than anything else.
01:32:34safetydanbusa_blade, you won't be able to commit. You just need to create a diff now (with svn diff) and the create a patch task in flyspray and add your patch there.
01:32:35busa_bladeBigMac, I responded
01:32:39JdGordonthe ipod, or the zune to get the port goingin
01:32:45Lloreansafetydan: I only hear the hiss with one pair of earphones, but it happens on both the H120 and the iFP-799. Other devices have varying amounts of hiss (The gigabeat and AJBR surprisingly have none)
01:32:52linuxstb_RasmusseN: Gigabeat F/X from what I've heard.
01:32:55markunRasmusseN: I wouldn't buy any of those
01:33:12SoapLlorean: your lowest impedance headphones?
01:33:19LloreanSoap: Yeah
01:33:24RasmusseNmarkun: why? btw i agree heh people with golden ears have it hard
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01:33:37Lloreanmarkun: I kinda wish my hearing would get a little bit worse, there are certain day to day noises nobody else can hear that I'd like to not hear either.
01:33:55Presencevoices in yer head driving you nuts again?
01:33:58EbErTim recording lp's into ogg vorbis right now, i don't mind a lil hiss or pop
01:34:05RasmusseNpresense: LOL
01:34:18RasmusseNPresence*
01:34:21SoapI want to find out what frequency the noise from my truck's strobe controller is - I'm the only one who can hear it - but I never considered my HF hearing all that good.
01:34:33markunRasmusseN: because I like rockbox a lot and it doesn't run optimal on the ipod and not at all on the others
01:34:44busa_bladeBigMac: ?
01:34:49EbErTwhat do you have, markun?
01:34:57EbErTi agree it still doesnt run real well on ipod
01:35:08RasmusseNmarkun: but why does an ipod need rockbox?
01:35:09markunEbErT: iriver H120, but I now only have my Gigabeat F40 with me
01:35:13EbErTgettin there tho
01:35:25Presencean ipod **needs** rockbox because iTunes is awful.
01:35:29markunRasmusseN: because my music is in Ogg :)
01:35:35markunwell, Vorbis
01:35:36Presencebecause one should be able to have a hard drive that happens to play MP3s.
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01:35:59EbErTcan you suggest an alternative to itunes for mac Presence ?
01:36:00RasmusseNmarkun: ahh Presence: there is already ways around iTunes.
01:36:03linuxstb_It's depressing that the Gigabeat's 300MHz CPU has longer battery life than ipods running Apple's firmware...
01:36:09Presencesure: the file system and macamp.
01:36:18EbErTmacamp?
01:36:32markunlinuxstb_: lets hope we find the problem some day..
01:36:52JdGordoncan anyone with a 5g ipod please try one of the themes mentioned at the end of fs6640 and tell me if you have a problem loading them/
01:36:52saratogahow big is the gigabeat battery in mah?
01:36:53JdGordon?
01:36:56Presenceor whatever player floats yer boat.
01:37:11RasmusseNitunes is decent but the zune marketplace is bad :(
01:37:15EbErTthere aren't any decent ones, is the problem
01:37:16Presencethe only people who like iTunes are people who are forced to use iTunes.
01:37:19BigMacbusa_blade, I sent you a message
01:37:30RasmusseNI use Foobar 2k :D
01:37:34busa_bladeBigMac: I responded... did you get it?
01:37:47Soapenough iTunes bashing for the night - eh? This is #Rockbox, not #AntiItunes.
01:37:50EbErTim forced, but i HATE the control it takes over sorting files
01:37:55PresenceI use winamp or x11amp with my IR serial receiver with my home stereo remote.
01:37:58Presenceits pure love.
01:38:42RasmusseNheh
01:38:45Presenceand mirrored to my 60gb ipod is my music collection, same playlists, so at work I'm just as happy.
01:39:04Presencegdi, I <3 rockbox. I bought the ipod as soon as the 5thgen was supported.
01:39:16EbErTit works well for you?
01:39:17RasmusseNpresence have you disabled the windows mixer yet? with the winamp plugin?
01:39:29busa_bladeBigMac: Can you see this?
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01:39:39safetydanLlorean, those flyspray tasks you have raised against Speex, could you add a comment describing the details of the files that have problems, e.g. whether their VBR or CBR, narrow-band, wide-band, or UWB, frequency, and filesize?
01:39:48Presenceno, my computer's audio is fixed to full 100%, and everything runs through my living room system's amp.
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01:40:00BigMacbusa_blade, Yes
01:40:02PresenceI can't stand having like 30 different volume sliders everywhere.
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01:40:07safetydanThe one person in the forums who reported a problem says the update to Speex 1.2beta1 fixed their problem.
01:40:20Presenceincluding WoW and ventrilo and whatever, screw that... let the mixer in my home amp figure it out.
01:40:24safetydanBut I know it didn't work for everyone.
01:40:50busa_bladeBigMac: forgive me, it's been years since I irc'd... I thought I was responding... you didn't get it?
01:40:59Lloreansafetydan: They're made with the command line encoder, without paramters, off of a 16khz mono file.
01:41:19BigMacno not in the message
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01:42:24safetydanLlorean, okay, so that's just weird then as they should be CBR wideband, and my test files for that play fine.
01:42:40RasmusseNi want a portable setup :( but i can't decide on one heh
01:42:45*safetydan wonders if it's the Speex ogg parser doing something funny on larger files
01:43:11Lloreansafetydan: The file is definitely 'larger'
01:43:33LloreanThe first noise is at 4 minutes, 25 seconds. The file itself is 7 hours (~85mb)
01:43:39busa_bladeI think it is the whole registering you nick thing... I don't know how..
01:43:51busa_bladeBigMac: I think it is the whole registering you nick thing... I don't know how..
01:44:14linuxstb_`RasmusseN: Do you want to run Rockbox? If so, then the players with Coldfire CPUs (iaudio X5, iriver H3x0/H1x0) or the Gigabeat F/X are probably the best options.
01:44:31safetydanLlorean, okay, I'll try large files when I get a chance then
01:44:57Lloreansafetydan: I'll encode some shorter files later and see what happens. Have you tested for playing very slightly faster than realtime?
01:45:14BigMacah busa_blade then just join #aldkakae
01:45:39safetydanllorean, no not yet. The test files I have are too short for that to be noticeable
01:46:04Lloreansafetydan: If you get the two files exactly in sync, they'll fall out of sync within 15 seconds.
01:46:44linuxstb_Llorean: Have you tried that test with any other codecs?
01:46:59Lloreanlinuxstb_: Let me go do that
01:47:48safetydanOkay, I'll look for that as well. I wonder if the speex metadata reader getting the sample rate wrong would lead to that happening?
01:49:05LloreanWell, with AAC at least, the problem is at the very least not noticeable across 1 minute of playback.
01:49:58Lloreansafetydan: I'd imagine that could do it.
01:50:31RasmusseNlinuxstb_ I honestly don't care as long as the portable player is good i find the ipod firmware fine now but that's just me
01:51:26RasmusseNthe ipod is too popular and fadish for me I want something different.
01:51:31RasmusseNkinda heh
01:51:35linuxstb_RasmusseN: Then you're asking in the wrong place - the answers you get here will be Rockbox-biased.
01:51:40RasmusseNheh
01:51:57Lloreansafetydan: Wouldn't it show the wrong frequency in the ID3 info then?
01:52:05RasmusseNif i could get around the zune marketplace i'd consider the zune
01:52:16RasmusseNthe ipod you can already get around iTunes.
01:52:42RasmusseNthe 3 i am looking at are the ipod 5.5 30GB, zune, and zen vision m
01:52:51safetydanLlorean, probably, but maybe it does something funny with the sample rate before configuring the DSP
01:52:59LloreanMaybe
01:53:29Lloreansafetydan: The noises I hear are also perfectly reproduceable on my gigabeat. I can fast forward to that point in the file, and they happen, that simply
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01:54:06LloreanI'll see if I can come up with a smaller file that does it.
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01:57:49scorcheLlorean: do you think i should upload the newimage even though it is much larger and just figure out the reason later?
01:58:46Lloreanscorche: I think Rockboxdev.sh downloads the sources somewhere else. When it wouldn't work for me because I didn't have BZIP2, it made me delete the folder, but it didn't have to redownload binutils despite that
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01:59:21scorchehmmm....i deleted the obvious folders
01:59:31scorchemaybe i should wait till Bagder wakes
01:59:46LloreanGood idea.
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02:01:07scorchemaybe i could just fill the empty space with zeros and see how that does
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02:03:43LloreanWow, Speex boost ratio isn't bad on the Nano
02:04:02Llorean~19% from the looks of it.
02:08:56safetydanLlorean, the library as fairly extensive arm optimisations already, so I'm not surprised.
02:09:49Lloreansafetydan: Just for testing's sake I reproduced both bugs on the Nano and the H120.
02:11:07*Llorean wonders if the 45% boost ratio on the H120 is mitigated by the fact that it'll only hit the HD something like once every 3 hours.
02:11:34*linuxstb confirms the Rockbox FAT bug...
02:11:52safetydanlinuxstb, ouch that's bad
02:12:03LloreanThe Rockbox FAT bug?
02:12:12safetydanLlorean, thanks for that. Pretty safe to say there's a problem :)
02:12:19linuxstbLlorean: the bug I mentioned earlier...
02:12:29Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah
02:12:47Lloreansafetydan: I figured I ought to test it on a different architecture, at the very least.
02:13:08linuxstbI can reliably repeat it (on both an ipod and my h140), and it confuses Linux, Mac OS X and WinXP.
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02:18:45AlbrightSoap: Sorry, I was AFK, and if you mean the Rockbox wiki, no.
02:19:36Soapno biggie - just curious - I started a wikipage (been meaning to) of ipod accessories, and if they work or not - was going to put your WikiName in there for the FM transmitter, charger.
02:19:59SoapI'd still like to add your real name and the actual model number to the page, if you don't mind.
02:21:26AlbrightOkay. My real name is Garrett Albright.
02:21:40AlbrightI don't think it has a model number; it's just the NewerTech TRAFFICJamz.
02:21:51AlbrightExcept for the two colors (black and white), there's only one model of it.
02:22:14AlbrightAnd I actually wrote a review of it when I was using it with my non-Rockbox'd nano, before it broke.
02:22:34Albrighthttp://raygunrobot.com/index.php?/archives/Review-NewerTech-TRAFFICJamz.html
02:23:05AlbrightI was planning on adding a note about the Rockbox compatibility to the review later.
02:23:35AlbrightI'm now using a 30GB Video, if it matters.
02:23:50Soapcool, the reason I asked about model numbers is some companies (belkin) have a bad habit of releasing multiple hardware revisions under the same name.
02:24:06Soap /shouldn't/ matter.
02:24:41busa_bladequick question about patching
02:25:20busa_bladeshould the syntax be "svn diff file1 > file1.patch"
02:25:32linuxstbSoap: It could be useful to keep track of which ipods accessories were tested on. Nothing surprises me about Apple....
02:25:41Mikachubusa_blade: svn diff -pud gives a nicer patch
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02:25:52Soapcan do linuxstb.
02:26:01SoapAlbright: nano and video both work?
02:26:40linuxstbSoap: I'm just thinking that it's easier to delete later if it proves useless information, then to try and recollect it.
02:26:46Soapvery true.
02:27:33linuxstbbusa_blade: Just "svn diff > mypatch" will produce a diff of everything that's changed in the current directory and any subdirectories.
02:27:56Mikachuat least give -p , it puts function names on the @@ lines
02:28:23AlbrightSoap: I did not try Rockbox on the nano with the transmitter.
02:28:52Soapcool
02:29:04AlbrightAlso, I haven't tested Car Adapter Mode yet, but I know that the iPod was properly charging with the adapter, so I imagine it'd work.
02:29:05busa_bladeok
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02:29:52linuxstbAlbright: Did Rockbox detect the charger? If it's "firewire" (i.e. uses the 12V pins), it may not.
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02:31:28Albrightlinuxstb: Yes, it did.
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02:58:55busa_bladeput my patch into flyspray
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03:22:41webguest09Hey, everyone. Can I get write access to TWiki? Name=Nathan Hale Thanks
03:28:17linuxstbwebguest09: Done.
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04:00:48loopermanI need some info about some of the settings in rockbox
04:01:24loopermanwhat does scroll step size mean?
04:01:51loopermanand with the speed does it go faster with the higher number or smaller number?
04:02:45LloreanThe features are described in the manual
04:02:49LloreanHigher number is faster, though.
04:03:25midgeyLlorean: h100s can't detect select + left correct?
04:03:38Lloreanmidgey: Nope. The only button that can be combined is Play.
04:04:27midgeyok, im going to have play be fire in invadrox
04:04:39midgeythat way the user can move and fire at the same time
04:04:47LloreanThat ought to work.
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04:04:58LloreanIt's really not that badly placed as long as you're using two hands.
04:05:46midgeyok, if someone yells, i may revert it, but it seems to make sense to be able to fire and move
04:05:57LloreanDefinitely.
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04:17:25safetydanNow if only you could fix the blurry screen on the H120, then invadrox would be complete
04:17:42LloreanIf only that were fixable, 'eh?
04:18:11safetydanIt's about the only thing I don't like on h120
04:21:26LloreanDoesn't affect me 90% of the time, but that other 10% is still there
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04:30:12blindHey, I just downloaded the Ajant Blue theme from rockbox-themes.org, and it's not working? it changes everything except the now playing screen...
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04:33:17blindHm, it works if i select it from the file view, just not from the browse themes section
04:33:27blindBigMac: you're from connecticut?
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04:36:06blindHm.
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04:56:38trip_hihi, whats the best way to check programatically that the rockbox bootloader is enabled
04:57:06trip_i dont want to be in the situation where a user is using the apple bootloader, but has left rockbox firmware on their device
04:57:49trip_since the existance of the rockbox firmware seems to be the only way i can check for rockbox
04:58:29trip_unless someone can suggest a better way to check whether the device is using rockbox or not, (or has the firmware on there but is using the apple bootloader for whatever reason)
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04:58:55Lloreantriplah: You *can* read the contents of the firmware partition.
04:59:05LloreanBut that's only an option on iPods.
04:59:30LloreanSince each Rockbox target has a different sort of bootloader, the methods for checking would be different on each, and in a few cases it's impossible (h100/h300)
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05:00:04triplahLlorean: the code i'm writing is specifically for rockboxed ipods, but i would like to generalise it later
05:00:27Lloreantriplah: What are you trying to do?
05:01:18triplahLlorean: my media player of choice gets dbus information saying an ipod has been plugged in and tries to treat it like an ipod
05:01:50triplahi've written a hack to get around it, but now i'm working on something that will hopefully get included in the main source
05:02:52LloreanWell if you look at iPodpatcher, it has a lot of code for detecting iPods, determining what model of iPod there is, and scanning the firmware partition of the iPod for the presence of a bootloader (though it doesn't identify what kind of bootloader in regards to Rockbox vs iPodLinux)
05:03:49triplahah ok, thanks
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05:14:17JdGordonmidgey: shouldnt your commit be done for the h300 also?
05:14:46midgeyi was wondering that, the reason i changed it for the h100 is for hardware reasons
05:14:59midgeyon h300, you can move and press navi
05:15:15JdGordonhmm... yeah, i just checked and you can :)
05:15:25JdGordonthat was the first time i ever played invadrox actually :p
05:15:35midgey:P
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05:21:37JdGordoncan anyone think of a good reason to not remove the properties menu item from the playlist viewer?
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05:29:12midgeybah
05:29:22*midgey made a red build
05:29:32JdGordonnaughty naughty! :D
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05:32:42JdGordonLlorean: do you think the "file options" menu in the playlist viewer is needed? I rekon it should be removed, and the items that actually are useful should be moved up to the actual playlist viewer context menu
05:33:25JdGordoninfact.. there are no items which should be accessable from the playist viewer except playlist catalog in that menu
05:34:02LloreanYeah, I think the 'File Options' can be removed entirely
05:34:25LloreanI'd be surprised if any of those worked.
05:35:32midgeyit froze my h300 when i just tried it out...
05:35:54JdGordonthe only one that actually crashes is properties...
05:36:02JdGordonthe others whould work, but not as expected...
05:36:06midgeywhich is what i tried
05:36:27LloreanI'd say get rid of it entirely.
05:37:19JdGordondone... but I tihnk the catalog options should be put there
05:37:20JdGordonbecause they can actually be useful
05:37:48LloreanProbably
05:39:26midgeyare the file options useful for a user in database mode or not so much?
05:40:08LloreanAbout as useful (or not) as they are in file mode, I think.
05:40:56JdGordonyeah, i doubt they are
05:41:11JdGordonI cant imagine the copy/cut/paste options would work
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05:41:47LloreanNot too much you could do with them
05:41:55LloreanYou can't paste into another category in the database.
05:42:48midgeyfair enough
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05:43:31JdGordonalso, does the exiting as soon as you leave one of the options bother anyone else?
05:43:36JdGordonin the playlist viewer context menu
05:44:56pi-are fonts on rockbox antialiased?
05:45:05Lloreanpi-: No.
05:45:26LloreanJdGordon: I don't really use that feature. :)
05:45:38midgeyJdGordon: never noticed before, but it is a bit annoying
05:48:13JdGordonLlorean: neither do I but in the 3min ive been playing with it ive found it bloody annoying :p
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05:54:49Lloreansafetydan: I had no problems reproducing the 'plays too fast' bug on a much shorter file. The noises didn't happen, so I'm gonna encode some more tests, I suppose.
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05:56:54safetydanLlorean, still at work so I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. More test data is good though.
05:57:21Lloreansafetydan: Just figured I'd let you know. I didn't even expect you to see it any time soon, heh.
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06:00:22safetydanDid we just get a drive by "antialiasing" question?
06:00:31LloreanYes
06:00:39LloreanAnd no argument, or 'why not?' or anything
06:00:44safetydanvery odd
06:01:32LloreanI'm kinda confused, honestly. I guess it was someone who doesn't actually use it yet.
06:08:36*Llorean thinks it takes too long to encode a 7 hour spx file
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06:51:11laughoutloudWhy doesn't rockbox remember the backdrop image, even if it saved in the backdrop folder?
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06:53:59laughoutloudhello, has anyone encounterd any problems like this?
06:55:07laughoutloudanyone out there
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06:55:54safetydanNo patience these days.
06:57:24safetydanlaughinbox: I haven't heard of people with that particular problem, but then again I don't use backdrops.
06:58:01laughinboxI changed because I thouhgt my browser wasn't working
06:58:03decayedcelllaughoutloud: working fine on my 5.5G ipod
06:58:10laughinboxsorry didn't mean to sound pushy
06:58:25laughinboxhow did you do it decayedcell
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06:59:36laughinboxI tried to save the file in the backdrops folder and still nothing. I turn off the iPod and turn it back on and the image is diffrent
06:59:52laughinboxI used an iPod video 30Gb
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07:00:23LloreanWhat folder, exactly, do you save it in, and what filename?
07:00:58laughinboxI saved it in .rockbox/backdrops/darth vader.bmp
07:01:24laughinboxit's also saved in on the root under pics
07:01:28safetydanlaughinbox: maybe try it without a space? Though it'd be weird if that was the problem.
07:01:46Lloreanlaughinbox: Which one did you select with 'set as backdrop'?
07:02:03laughinboxthe one in pics folder
07:02:09LloreanYou have to actually browse to the one in /.rockbox/backdrops/ for it to work.
07:02:23laughinboxohh, maybe that's the problem.
07:02:29laughinboxI'll try that right now
07:05:07laughinboxalright it worked like a charm, thank you Llorean. You are (in nacho libre's voice) "the best!"
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07:06:53laughinboxI got this really kick ass darth pic. I used it on the Zune. I got really happy when I was reading the manual and saw that I could change the background image so I usd the Vader
07:07:26laughinboxwell c-yall later I am going to bed because I got class in the morning.
07:08:13laughinboxdoes anyone know how to overclock an asus mother board with an AMD XP Athlon 3200+
07:08:25Lloreanlaughinbox: This is #Rockbox, not a general hardware channel.
07:08:42laughinboxjust thought I ask, sorry
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07:18:15LloreanIt seems difficult to clear the backdrop with the new settings method
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07:24:24cjflashmanis it possible to usee apple os on a 5.5g with loader2.5d5?
07:26:15safetydancjflashman, you might have more luck asking on an iPodLinux forum as loader2 isn't Rockbox code.
07:27:09cjflashmanoh, right..
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07:32:50Lloreansafetydan: The pops may just be a case of a problem file. :( I'm listening to a new long file now, and ~8 minutes in, no noises yet.
07:42:23safetydanLlorean, well that's good for me as it means less work :)
07:42:32Lloreansafetydan: Well, the file still plays fine on the PC
07:42:58LloreanSo there's something wrong, it's just hard to create a sample file that demonstrates it since it seems to be less than common.
07:43:37safetydanGo to go.
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07:53:22JdGordondoes anyone know the svn command to make $Id$ work?
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08:12:59amiconnmo0ning
08:15:32JdGordonmorning
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08:18:11amiconnJdGordon: For $Id$ to work, you need to set the svn:keywords property properly
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08:19:07JdGordonhow?
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08:29:40safetydanJdGordon, svn setprops I believe
08:31:28safetydansomething like svn setprop svn:keywords Id <file>
08:31:47JdGordonok, ta
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08:35:21amiconnJdGordon: svn propset svn:keywords "Author Date Id Revision"
08:35:42amiconnThis is the standard setting for all cvs imported files
08:36:07amiconnAll textual source files of course
08:36:34JdGordonyeah, ok, ill do that to the files ive added since svn
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08:55:01JdGordondoes anyone have an idea how to add a way for set_int() to ask for the lang to talk for the setting?
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09:06:56safetydanRandom question. How many people have commit rights to Rockbox?
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09:08:35B4gderabout 40
09:08:58B4gdercoming down from some 65 when we had CVS ;-)
09:09:52safetydanSVN scare people it would seem
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09:09:54safetydanscares even
09:10:25B4gderI think the truth is that they had already vanished before the switch and they haven't noticed or bothered about getting svn fixed
09:10:31scorcheB4gder: is there a secret place where rockboxdev.sh stored data besides the folders in /root?
09:10:46B4gderscorche: it stores data in the directories mentioned at the top of the script
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09:11:12B4gderother than those, it shouldn't put anything anywhere else
09:11:31scorchehmmm...trying to figure out why the now image i made is quite a bit larger compressed
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09:24:30GodEater_OT Question : Anyone know how reliable linux's autonegotiation of Full/Half Duplex is ?
09:25:03B4gderit depends on the hw and driver only
09:25:28GodEater_I assume that means at both ends of the cable as well
09:25:35GodEater_i.e. my interface, and the switch
09:25:37B4gderyes
09:26:12GodEater_experimentation is the way forward then
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09:27:33B4gderkinda fun that you asked this, since I'm currently working with an auto-neg problem on linux... :-)
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09:41:22quWhy not use the recently added nimbus-19 in the ROCKboxed WPS for iPod 5g? The screen estate is huge and the font currently used is small...
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09:59:17JdGordonanyone awake enough to comment on a quick patch I want to do to the setting screens?
09:59:27daurnimatoryes
09:59:30daurnimatorbut, i cant
09:59:30daurnimator;)
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10:04:09LloreanJdGordon: What do you want to do to it?
10:04:32JdGordonnothiing visual... its more making sure my hack is done in a nice way :p
10:05:18JdGordonThe problem is you cant dynamically choose what to speak, which with the setting_list stuff will use lots of extra space... I want to add a callback to get the voice id...
10:06:13JdGordonI doubt there would be objections to it.. but its still a bit of a hack.. so want to make sure its ok :p
10:06:37JdGordonjdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/get_lang_id.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/get_lang_id.patch
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10:07:34LloreanAh, so not something I can really comment on at this time. :)
10:08:07JdGordon:) amiconn, B4gder?
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11:41:46scorcheMikachu: there?
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11:44:54linuxstbamiconn: Do you have any ideas about this (I think) FAT bug? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6648
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11:49:30peturlinuxstb: should be fairly easy to find: the file will be created first and then openend, the open routine will have a name matching bug
11:50:43Mikachuscorche: yep
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11:51:24SupachiknHi.
11:51:54Supachikncan someone suggest a program for creating a bitmap with 2 bit colour depth for creating a background for an ipod mini?
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11:52:34scorcheMikachu: upload is finished...can you move to http?
11:52:57Mikachudone
11:53:02Mikachucan i remove the old one?
11:53:05linuxstbSupachikn: I don't think it has to be 2bpp - the Rockbox bitmap loader should be able to load any depth image, and it will convert to the LCD's native depth.
11:53:10scorcheyes
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11:53:26Supachiknlinuxstb, thanks
11:53:28Mikachuscorche: will you change the wiki page?
11:53:32scorcheB4gder: there?
11:53:37scorcheMikachu: already on it
11:56:36linuxstbpetur: I'm not sure I understand why you think it's the open routine - mounting the drive with "-t msdos" in Linux shows that two different files are being created, with different content.
11:59:17amiconnSupachikn: There is no such thing as a 2bpp BMP file
11:59:34amiconnBMP files can be 1, 4, 8, 16, 24 or 32 bpp
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12:00:20Supachiknamiconn, i'm not surprised. photoshop says wtf!. i took the manual too literally i guess. cheers
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12:34:47JdGordonlinuxstb: does fat32 handle 4 digit file extensions properly?
12:35:44directhex|workJdGordon, doesn't fat32 deal with any non-8.3 filename in the same way, including long file.extensions?
12:35:57B4gderit does
12:37:32scorcheB4gder: can you nab the new image from Mikachu's server and move it to the download server please?
12:37:50Mikachumaybe rockbox creates the same shortname when the part before . is the same?
12:38:01scorcheB4gder: when you get the time of course
12:38:02linuxstbMikachu: No, the short names are different.
12:38:13linuxstb(verified by mounting in Linux with -t msdos)
12:38:20Mikachuah
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12:39:04linuxstbMounting with -t msdos, everything is fine. It's only when mounting with longname support that the trouble occurs.
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12:47:31Nico_Pmarkun?
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13:00:35markunNico_P: yes?
13:01:14Nico_Pmarkun: are you aware of the slight problem witht the rockboxed WPS on the gigabeat ?
13:01:21markunare you sure that nimbus-19 is not specified in the ipod 5g rockboxed theme?\
13:01:30markunno, what's the problem?
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13:01:45Nico_Pthe progressba is one pixel off :)
13:02:27markunah, now I see it
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13:04:26Nico_Pmarkun: and is it normal the gigabeat isn't detected by my computer when i put it in the cradle with usb ?
13:06:43markunit depends, when did you last update?
13:06:59Nico_Pi have the latest SVN
13:07:11Nico_Pi was testing karl's commit
13:07:51markunthen it should work I guess. Didn't try it myself yet (but my own patch for enabling cradle USB support which I forgot to commit worked)
13:08:46Nico_Pwell the gigabeat never appears
13:08:59markunfix it :)
13:09:05Nico_Pit charges but isn't detected by the computer
13:09:12Nico_Pno idea how :s
13:09:26markundo you have the charger and USB connected to the cradle?
13:09:35Nico_Ponly usb
13:09:40markunthat will not work
13:10:11markunthere is a USB hub chip inside the cradle which needs to be powered.
13:10:14Nico_Pbut when i plug the gigabeat to the computer directly whith only the usb cable, it charges and appears
13:10:16Nico_Pah
13:10:29Nico_Pi don't have the right wall charger atm
13:11:07markunwhat do you want to use the cradle for anyway?
13:11:11directhex|workmarkun, is the possible confusion between menu & a to reset the gigabeat and holding menu to do some kind of recovery mode a problem?
13:11:22Nico_Pmarkun: i was just testing
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13:12:23markundirecthex|work: could be
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13:13:26markunNico_P: we also need to add support for the USB <-> Line-out switch I think
13:13:40Nico_Pmarkun: that seems to work
13:14:54markunAh, missed that in the commit
13:15:31markunso until rockbox gets a USB stack I don't think there is anything to add to the cradle support
13:15:58markunIs there anything useful we could do with the sync and cd-rip buttons?
13:16:54Nico_Pno idea
13:17:17Nico_Pmaybe run custom scripts ?
13:17:36directhex|workmarkun, i still think power/a is a good combo for reset - the user doesn't need to consciously think about when the different bootloaders are invoked, they simply need "turn off player, hold A and power until rockbox finishes loading"
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13:18:26markunNico_P: what kind of scripts are you thinking of? On the player or on the computer?
13:19:06Nico_Pi suppose it would be managed by rockbox so the scripts could be on the player
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13:21:13Nico_Por rather it would be a plugin... rockbox can't run scripts :)
13:21:14md-ausi was looking through the wiki and noticed on this page there was a request for confirrmation
13:21:18md-aushttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
13:21:41md-ausI have a series of screen shots showing the steps to get a mac formatted ipod to windows if someone would like them?
13:22:29linuxstbYou can edit that IpodConversionToFAT32 page yourself - it's a wiki.
13:22:53Nico_Pmarkun: yeah, why not have a small plugin that would be run when the user presses one of the buttons... it could allow to choose from a list of actions to perform
13:23:05Nico_Plike database things or other
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13:23:10directhex|workassuming it lets you. i never did receive my confirmation/password for flyspray
13:23:20md-ausreally? because the wiki says I cant have an account unless I come here and ask for confirmation, so Id rather just offer this to someone who does have access
13:24:03linuxstbmd-aus: All you need to do is create a wiki account, and then ask here for someone to activate write access. It's an anti-spammers measure.
13:24:44linuxstbdirecthex|work: flyspray registration isn't the same as wiki registration.
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13:26:16md-ausmmkay, I'm registered. linuxstb, do you have the powers required to activate me on the wiki?
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13:26:46md-aususerid: MarkDorset
13:28:04B4gderMikachu: I can't download your vmware-4.7z image
13:28:53B4gderdebian-4.7z even
13:29:28linuxstbmd-aus: Done. Anyone with write access to the wiki can grant write access for others.
13:29:48Mikachuoops, put it in the wrong dir
13:30:07md-austa
13:31:35linuxstbmd-aus: I assume your screenshots document the "hard way", and not the use of itunes in Windows?
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13:33:28B4gderscorche: done now
13:33:58scorchethanks
13:34:09*scorche goes off to edit the wiki
13:38:43md-auslinuzatb: No, they confirm what you'll see doing the easy way - Ive not added images, but reworded the easy way paragraph
13:38:54md-auslinuxstb even....
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13:42:01linuxstbmd-aus: After you update, does the ipod display the charger symbol, to do the flash upgrade?
13:42:11linuxstb^After you restore
13:42:32md-ausyep
13:42:46md-ausand it appears in itunes in windows
13:43:11linuxstbIt could be worth mentioning that as well.
13:44:49desowinone thing I noticed with iPod restore, when there's mbr messed up, that it displayes ie. 128 heads (255 is normal), iPod restore won't fix it (if there're 2 partitions, first one empty and second one fat), but if you delete both of them, iPod restore will fix it nicely
13:46:04md-auslinuxstb: don
13:46:07md-ausondone
13:46:15md-ausbloody kb. "done". :-)
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13:50:26md-auson this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta it doesn't mention anything about backing up the ipod's firmware. However this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#c_1_all_users_except_i_PodLinux does.
13:50:52md-ausDo I need to backup the ipod's firmware before I proceed for the 1st time with a brand new ipod?
13:52:11desowinyou should
13:53:08md-ausis there an easy way to do that on a mac? or do I have to use the windows tools on a windows machine?
13:53:09bospaadjemd-aus, you should follow the manual, not the instructions in the wiki
13:53:24desowinis there dd on mac ?
13:53:38md-ausAhh. ok. will check the manual. From reading the wiki i got the impression the manual was for post-installation docs
13:53:43md-ausdesowin: yes
13:54:13desowindd if=/your/ipod/first_partition of=backup_firmware
13:54:23bospaadjemd-aus, that impression is wrong, and the wiki should be fixed for it (I got that impression too the first time i saw it)
13:54:34linuxstbmd-aus: The newest ipodpatcher is now fully automatic, so there's far less chance of something going wrong, which is why the backup step isn't there any more.
13:54:38Winchester345Heya.... I was wondering if samba is the only way to transfer files from the coLinux fs?
13:54:58desowinWinchester345: nfs
13:55:14Winchester345huh?
13:55:14linuxstbdesowin: On the Mac, the firmware partition doesn't show up as a device - because it's marked "empty" in the partition table.
13:55:15desowinor even scp
13:55:39desowinoh, thanks for info linuxstb
13:55:55Winchester345what's the simplest? and if you could tell me a link I could check on how to get it working? coLinux page on the wiki seems a bit outdated
13:56:02Mikachuyou could temporarily change the partition table, but that might make the ipod sadface
13:56:04md-ausok so I shouldnt use dd then on a mac.
13:56:06linuxstbipodpatcher has the "-r" option which you can use to backup the firmware partition if you wanted.
13:56:31desowinWinchester345: simplest - samba
13:56:49linuxstbBut there's little point in making a backup, you can download copies of the firmware partitions from http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/
13:57:13linuxstb(which links to Apple's download site used by itunes)
13:57:16Winchester345well.... the wiki talks about the xml file.... but colinux uses the .conf.... and I can't figure it out
13:57:55desowinbtw. what do you need coLinux for ?
13:58:07Winchester345building rockbox
13:58:35scorchecolinux is one of the 3 method of building rockbox on windows
13:58:41desowinI would recommend cygwin if you don't want to install unix system
13:58:45linuxstbWinchester345: Try searching google for colinux help - it's not a Rockbox-specific problem, and I don't think many people here use colinux.
13:58:53Winchester345yeah.... I have tried them all
13:59:07scorcheWinchester345: also, i do not think that the colinux page is outdated much at all
13:59:19scorcheSoap is the person you will want to talk to
13:59:19Winchester345nuh not much
13:59:26Winchester345I got it working all right to this point
13:59:29Winchester345just the samba bit
13:59:42scorchehe should be awake in a few hours
13:59:48scorchebut, watch for him
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14:00:00scorchealternatively, you can PM him on the forums
14:00:10Winchester345ok thanks
14:00:54preglowSlasheri: planning to update RockboxKernel any time soon? :>
14:00:57Winchester345and.... http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/AccessingWindowsDrivesWithSamba seems to have the info.... but half of the commands don't work
14:02:01desowinwhich ones ?
14:02:14Winchester345well submount is one
14:02:30desowins/submount/smbmount
14:02:45desowinyou need samba installed for that
14:03:15Winchester345it is
14:03:41desowinand what for alternative syntax ? (mount -t smbfs -o username=User,password=myTrickyPassword //THATBOX/mysharedfolder /mnt)
14:04:21desowinoh, by don't work you mean 'command not found' ?
14:04:33Winchester345yup
14:04:48Winchester345and.... the alternative syntax.... ignorance on my behalf.... didn't scroll down that far
14:04:55desowincan you ping the host machine ?
14:06:06Winchester345yup
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14:06:29desowinand does mount work ?
14:07:20Winchester345I will get back on that one.... have to get the windows stuff right
14:07:32Winchester345thanks desowin.... don't see a reasonw hy it wouldn't
14:12:40md-austhanks for the help - got rockbox working. now to play :-)
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14:13:31Winchester345does THATBOX refer to what the computer comes up as in the network workgroup?
14:15:46desowinyou can type here ip of your host computer
14:16:06desowin(that one seen by virtual ethernet device)
14:16:48JdGordoncan anyone tell me why the call to audio_set_crossfade() in settings_menu.c line 1741 is called with global_settings.unplug_rw when every other call uses .crossfade ?
14:16:50Winchester345ok.... now apparantly the password is wrong.....
14:21:46linuxstbJdGordon: I remember someone mentioning that a while ago - I'm almost certain it's just a copy-and-paste error.
14:22:45linuxstbi.e. the person that added the unplug settings copied the crossfade settings code, and failed to remove that call.
14:23:25JdGordonso the call shouldnt be there at all?
14:23:45linuxstbI'm 99% sure...
14:23:50JdGordonthat makes things easier...
14:24:00JdGordonI should probably email obo just to double check tho
14:25:21Winchester345ah thanks desowin.... instead of trying to get to the windows fs I just.... got to the rockdev home directory from windows.....
14:25:54desowinalways the option
14:27:53Winchester345is it possible to crosscompile rockbox simulator for windows from colinux?
14:28:00JdGordonemail sent.. hopefully I get a reply soonish
14:28:57desowinWinchester345: I really think that using MinGW would be better to get windows simulator ..
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14:30:25B4gderWinchester345: sure, install a cross-compiler
14:30:46B4gdermingw exists as a cross-compiler
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14:31:31Winchester345and how would I compile it with mingw?
14:31:49B4gderI think there's a patch
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14:32:35JdGordonlinuxstb: Zagor found that a month ago but got no answer (/me praises google and logbot :p )
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14:33:32linuxstbDoesn't rasher cross-compile the Windows sim on Linux for his downloads?
14:33:42B4gderyes he does
14:33:51B4gderand I believe that stuff is already in svn
14:34:05webguest20I think, the WPS page for iPod 5g (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g) is outdated. Some WPSs now use larger font (14->19)
14:34:14linuxstbYou'll probably need to install cross-compile SDL first though.
14:35:14Winchester345ok I'll go try to figure it all out.... and cut down on bugging you guys
14:38:30Winchester345gah..... never checked out the patches.... I have been missing out =O
14:39:37JdGordonCan I break cfg compatability on the headphone unplug detect mode setting?
14:41:05directhex|workhm, there are some really nice looking ipod 5g themes on rockbox-themes.org
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14:41:45JdGordonit currently save 0-3 instead of a word to descrbe the mode
14:41:45JdGordonwhich I tinhk is a bit odd
14:44:16JdGordonCan I break cfg compatability on the headphone unplug detect mode setting?
14:44:26JdGordonit currently save 0-2 instead of a word to descrbe the mode which i tihnk is a bit wierd
14:44:53JdGordon(sorry if that was a repeat.. im not sure if my net dced before i tryed sending that 5 min ago)
14:45:44linuxstbWhat's the consequence of breaking compatibility? Is it just that setting that's reset to the default?
14:46:27JdGordonyes
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14:46:42JdGordonthats not a major setting, so i doubt anyone would notice
14:47:00linuxstbIt's "major" if you use it...
14:47:23linuxstbBut if you think it needs fixing, then I say fix it.
14:47:24JdGordonby major I mean one that is in the theme configs
14:47:41Winchester345what is the default?
14:47:45JdGordon0
14:47:52Winchester345which is?
14:47:54obooff
14:47:56JdGordonoff
14:48:01Winchester345oh =(
14:48:13Winchester345I use it... but wouldn't really care if it wasn't there
14:48:24linuxstbAll it means is you need to re-enable it.
14:48:46oboJdGordon: when you say word, do you mean a text string?
14:48:51Winchester345ah... I thought by breaking you meant... disable that completly
14:48:55JdGordonobo: yes
14:49:11oboJdGordon: okay - at the moment the code is doing checks for >0 and >1
14:49:15JdGordonnumbers in the cfg file isnt very nice
14:50:05JdGordonobo: thats ok.. no code needs to be changed expect its entry in settings_list.c
14:50:16linuxstbobo: I think JdGordon is just suggesting the .cfg file will store a string. In the global_settings struct, it will still be a number.
14:50:24JdGordonbingo
14:50:28oboah, fair enough :)
14:51:59JdGordonis have_headphoneunplug not in the sim?
14:52:32JdGordonHAVE_HEADPHONE_DETECTION even
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14:52:58obonope - only ipod targets
14:53:08linuxstbYou can check in the config files to see if it's defined for the sim.
14:53:13linuxstb(e.g. config-ipodcolor.h)
14:53:45obogoing on my copy-paste skills its best to check, but it shouldn't be enabled for the sims
14:54:23JdGordonnuts :p can someone test this patch them please to make sure i didnt break those settings?
14:56:18*obo runs down to car to grab usb cable...
14:57:17JdGordonjdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/playback_menu.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/playback_menu.patch
14:57:34JdGordonAlso, if someone with a h100 could test the spdif enable setting that would be great also :)
14:58:11directhex|workheadphone unplugging works great on my gigabeat
14:58:55JdGordonthe patch is just changeing the menu item to the new system.. so i need to make sure it displays correctly and saves to the cfg correctly
14:59:14JdGordonthey should work.. but someone testing would be better
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15:08:38JdGordonamiconn: good news :) It looks like this new menu system will actually help the bin sizes... moveing playback menu drops the rec v1 bin by 500bytes
15:10:10oboJdGordon: missing comma at the end of apps/settings_list.c, line 827
15:10:30JdGordonthanks
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15:14:55JdGordonobo: nothing seems wrong with the setting?
15:17:33obonope, works fine
15:17:55JdGordonok ta
15:19:27JdGordon... here we go !
15:20:59linuxstbJdGordon: Do we understand the root menu concept differently? See my last comment on FS #6630
15:21:16JdGordonno, I think bluebrother confused me.. I agree with you
15:21:29B4gderI agree too
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15:23:38JdGordonso hang on.. do we really want it to goto the root menu with left from the / folder?
15:24:03B4gderhow else can it be the root menu?
15:24:09JdGordonor are we agreeing that exiting any screen correctly will put you there, but left is not the correct way?
15:24:41JdGordonthe problem with left exiting the browsers is holding it down while going back up the tree.. and non-sihted uysers
15:24:53B4gderwell, perhaps some other key than left should exit from the file tree
15:25:04linuxstbYes, I think so too.
15:25:09JdGordonok, good :)
15:25:51JdGordonB4gder: can you change the changlog>html script to interpret * (or something) as a new line please?
15:26:27B4gdernot a bad idea
15:26:59JdGordonunless svn allows \n in the commit messages?, but we do need something to break them up a bit
15:27:02linuxstbShouldn't newlines be translated to <br />?
15:27:04markunare newlines not stored in the commit messages?
15:27:18B4gderyeah, I could just translate the ordinary newlines
15:27:19linuxstbmarkun: That's what I thought.
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15:27:46markunlinuxstb: last time I used the -F option to read the message from file
15:27:48JdGordonI tihnk someone here told me \n is ignored in the cvs commit log and assumed it was the same for svn
15:28:06B4gderit wasn't in cvs
15:28:12B4gderand it isn't in svn
15:28:22JdGordonok then
15:28:45B4gderits just that they are shown in plain HTML and thus they look like this
15:29:09linuxstbJdGordon: If you view the source of the changelog, you'll see the newlines are there in the HTML file.
15:29:17JdGordonoh, I didnt even think to check the source :p
15:30:01markunB4gder: don't you pass the messages through some HTML encode function?
15:30:08B4gderyes
15:30:19markunbut it doesn't handle newlines?
15:30:27B4gderno
15:30:29JdGordonbtw... the left menu in the chlog page is still showing the old menu
15:32:09B4gder<br> inserted on the front page
15:33:32JdGordonmuch better :) cheers
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15:36:17JdGordondoes anyone have any suggestions about what to do with the top of settings_list.c? all those static functions needed for the setting callbacks... Do we leave them there and have a messy file? or unstatic them and move them to the correct files?
15:36:18markunB4gder: yes, thanks
15:44:24linuxstbmarkun: I've just tried the Rockboxed WPS, and it doesn't seem to default to using the file/directory names for files without tags.
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15:51:07Winchester345hey.... does anyone know if it's possible or if anyone is working on making rockboy work on the greyscale ipods?
15:51:45linuxstbYes, it's possible, someone just needs to adapt the LCD code.
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15:52:17ppeomsomebody have dotum.ttf font?
15:53:23Winchester345hmm... that would be nice.... if only I wasn't hopeless =)
15:54:09Winchester345oh well... there's always iBoy
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16:24:21web-tazhello everybody
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16:29:27markunlinuxstb: yes, I noticed that too
16:30:35markunlinuxstb: I took the liberty to rename the theme from ROCKboxed to Rockboxed, don't know if I should have done that..
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16:31:44markunthe old name suggests the theme is based on the logo, which it is
16:33:05directhex|workhm, i can't build an m68k cross-compiler
16:35:09linuxstbmarkun: I prefer "Rockboxed"...
16:35:18linuxstbdirecthex|work: What's the error?
16:35:27linuxstbAnd are you using rockboxdev.sh/
16:35:28linuxstb?
16:35:42directhex|worklinuxstb, hang on i've got to regenerat it, and yes
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16:38:28web-tazhm just a few tiny questions: Iriver H300 Series; there is a firmware KR 1.31 but European just 1.29 or 1.3(the same without video function)
16:38:44web-tazis there a boot loader for the 1.31?
16:41:20directhex|work../../gcc-3.4.6/gcc/libgcc2.c: In function `__fixdfdi':
16:41:20directhex|work../../gcc-3.4.6/gcc/libgcc2.c:1277: internal compiler error: in do_SUBST, at combine.c:447
16:42:36directhex|worklinuxstb, i'm going to try building in a 32-bit chroot - though gcc 3.4 shouldn't have any problems building in an amd64 host
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16:45:25linuxstbdirecthex|work: Ah, yes I think there are known issues with compiling the Coldfire compiler on amd64. I think you may need to compile manually (not using the script), and apply the patch at the bottom of this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
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16:49:44directhex|worklinuxstb, i think the makefile could do with a sanity check - i keep getting 'command not found's due to stray 64-bit convbdf and so on in 32-bit chroots
16:49:54directhex|worklinuxstb, it's a pretty corner case, but it's still annoying :)
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16:50:26amiconndirecthex|work: You don't need a 32 bit chroot if you use the patch linuxstb pointed to
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16:50:46directhex|workamiconn, there are other reasons - e.g. the sim is pretty broken on 64-bit
16:50:47amiconnThis is what I am running on my build server, which is 32 bit free
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16:51:04amiconnThe only thing broken in the sim I know of is libmad...
16:51:30directhex|workand tags (possibly only on vorbis files, hard to tell if it's on mp3 files too given libmad)
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16:51:42amiconn?
16:51:46amiconnTags display fine here
16:52:09preglowamiconn: playing two files with the same codec after each other crashes the sim for a lot of codecs here
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16:52:18preglowalso looping one file
16:52:21preglowprobably the same bug
16:52:52amiconnodd
16:53:12amiconnNever observed that one.... but then, I have exactly 2 test files in my 64 bit sims
16:53:17amiconnOne .ogg and one .mp3
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16:55:00preglowhaha
16:55:13preglowmy Testfiles dir is a couple of gig
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16:56:04preglowi really don't use the fules for ordinary listening
16:56:09preglowsome are problem cases, etc
16:56:17preglowmultiple encodes of the same song, and so forth
16:57:53amiconnI only put them there to see whether playback works at all
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17:00:56akikonomuQ: my ipod nano gives the "please restore using itunes" error in 4 messages, but restoring it triggers the dreaded "itunes has detected an ipod in recovery mode" loop.
17:01:11akikonomuformating the drive doesn't work because it gives some "i/o error"
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17:01:37linuxstb"i/o error" would indicate some kind of hardware or usb problem.
17:01:57linuxstbHave you tried different cables, USB ports, computers...?
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17:02:37akikonomuhmmm tried it on a mac, also gives the recovery mode loop
17:02:54w1ll14makikonmu: what is your platform ?
17:03:17linuxstbWhat did you do to break it in the first place? Installing Rockbox shouldn't do that.
17:03:22akikonomuwinxp at home, osx10.3.x in the office
17:03:38akikonomuactually the nano was acting screwy the last week
17:03:49w1ll14makikonomu: nano 1g or 2g?
17:04:19akikonomu2Gb. like plugging the headphones in will cause the machine to black out like the battery went flat
17:04:38w1ll14mis it the aluminium version ?
17:04:38akikonomubut it'll turn on again properly if i connect it to a pc
17:04:43akikonomugen 1
17:04:46w1ll14mok
17:04:59w1ll14mmaybe use dd if possible to write firmware image
17:05:01akikonomudefinitely gen 1. you can't install rockbox on a gen2 nano =D
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17:05:24w1ll14makikonomu: nice :) there are people who do'nt read those info
17:05:29akikonomuindeed. under drive manager in winxp control panel, it says the nano is "unreadable"
17:05:30w1ll14mdon't*
17:05:46akikonomudo'h
17:05:49w1ll14m:)
17:06:20akikonomummm. just before it went all multilingual on me, rockbox would start and start and start in some horrible loop
17:06:26akikonomuor get stuck in "loading"
17:07:03akikonomudiskmount manager on the mac said there's an i/o error on the nano.
17:07:04w1ll14mstrange....
17:07:13akikonomubut gah. doesn't it run on flash ram
17:07:14w1ll14makikonomu: try a linux boot cd http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ get here a firmware image, and unzip it, then try to dd the image to /dev/sdX
17:07:41w1ll14mbut it's strange that you get a I/O error
17:07:49akikonomummm. did i mention that i can't write to the nano at all?
17:08:12akikonomuit's a totally wiped out drive at the moment. can't format it either
17:08:38akikonomui managed to load the diagnostics test on the nano
17:08:44akikonomuseems to be the only thing that works
17:08:51akikonomubut the scan doesnt' work.
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17:09:23akikonomuany ideas? cos the nano's past its warranty
17:09:59BiptoNakikonomu: you can try to run "dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/sdX"
17:10:31BiptoNthen you may be able to hook it up to a windows machine and run and older updater on it
17:10:33akikonomuthat's from the linux cd?
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17:12:40BiptoNyeah run that command in linux
17:12:50akikonomummm
17:12:53BiptoNthen use the an older updater on windows
17:13:20akikonomuotherwise, it seems this thing is bricked =\
17:13:27crazy_wombatcan anyone help me? I have an iriver h10, dual booting rockbox, and I can't get rockdoom to work.
17:13:28crazy_wombati downloaded the wads like the manuals said, and it still says it can't find the wads
17:13:33akikonomui might have dropped it a few months ago
17:13:35akikonomu=\
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17:18:56Arathiscrazy_wombat: where did you put the wads?
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17:20:05crazy_wombatin a folder called doom like the manual said
17:21:16crazy_wombat" /.rockbox/doom/" to be exact
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17:22:57akikonomuthanks, bipton and wiiliam... i'll try your suggestions when i have the nano again... left it at the office
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17:24:00Arathiscrazy_wombat: I have it in /games/doom/
17:24:18crazy_wombatand it works there?
17:24:27Arathisand it works for me. didn't use the manual though but the wiki months ago
17:24:51crazy_wombatI'll try that, thanks for the help
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17:25:03Arathiscrazy_wombat: oh, doesn't work anymore
17:26:41amiconnArathis: The position was changed lately
17:27:02amiconnJust move the files to /.rockbox/doom/ and it should work again
17:28:13Arathisamiconn: thanks, it does
17:28:32*Arathis wonders why he has doom on his player anyway.
17:30:02Mikachuso you can make your friends go "oooh"
17:30:40n1samiconn: are .lang files supposed to be UTF8 ?
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17:37:15directhex|worksad fact: doom is smoother on my mp3 player than my homebrew-friendly portable games machine
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17:39:20amiconnn1s: yes
17:46:17ArathisMikachu: Oh, right. That's it ;) Same with Beryl ^^
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18:05:59FrankGrisafihello?
18:06:15FrankGrisafihello harmony
18:06:20FrankGrisafiharmony
18:06:27FrankGrisafiis your mother there please
18:06:35FrankGrisafihello
18:07:32dewdude__anyone know if the arm-elf-gcc build has been updated in the vmware image?
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18:08:15Mikachudewdude__: yes
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18:08:29peppois any 5.5G 80G iPod svn testing needed?
18:08:49FrankGrisafiActually I was just wondering if someone could give me write permission so I can upload a WPS
18:11:42dewdude__Mikachu, ok, cuz i tried updating it myself..and i thought i could work around linux a bit...but failed. i haven't built a new version since last week.
18:12:03FrankGrisafiI am even supposed to be asking for write permission in here?
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18:38:33blindI'm trying to make a rockbox theme.. Is there like an ipod emulator, or do I just have to keep booting it to rockbox to check it out?
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18:42:08LloreanThere's a user interface simulator.
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18:48:38blindLlorean: where is that?
18:49:17Lloreanblind: You just choose it as a compiling option, instead of compiling a normal build. If you're using a completely unpatched build you can usually use rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ though.
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18:50:38blindLlorean: I see it's for windows. Do you know if there's one for Linux?
18:50:55n1sblind: yes, using SDL
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18:51:13Lloreanblind: As I said, you can compile it from the Rockbox source.
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18:52:47LinusNamiconn: you called for me?
18:52:51blindoh. I'm sorry :P
18:52:55amiconnAh, hi LinusN :)
18:53:12oboI've got a weird problem w/ my e200. My MUSIC folder is displayed as a file. I cannot access it.
18:53:15amiconnI would like to know how difficult you would deem an iAudio M5 port?
18:53:43amiconnDo I need a bdm for developing the bootloader?
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18:53:44Lloreanblind: You just treat it like you're compiling Rockbox normally, but when you get to choosing what type of build, one of the options is "Simulator" instead of "Normal"
18:54:06blindoh, neat. thanks for the help :]
18:54:07LinusNan m5 would probably be dead simple
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18:54:41amiconnDid you need the bdm for the X5?
18:54:44Lloreanobo: What exactly is happening?
18:54:55obofsck.vfat -a /dev/sda1
18:54:55obodosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
18:54:55oboThere are differences between boot sector and its backup.
18:54:55DBUGEnqueued KICK obo
18:54:55oboDifferences: (offset:original/backup)
18:54:55obo 71:53/4e, 72:61/4f, 73:6e/20, 74:73/4e, 75:61/41, 76:20/4d, 77:65/45
18:54:56***Alert Mode level 1
18:54:56obo , 78:32/20, 79:36/20, 80:30/20
18:54:58obo Not automatically fixing this.
18:55:00oboBoth FATs appear to be corrupt. Giving up.
18:55:18obono idea. I doubt it's a rockbox problem tho.
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18:55:44oboIt just displays my "MUSIC" folder as a 0-byte file
18:55:52oboand the permissions are a screwy
18:56:01obo*all
18:56:26obodrwx−−−−−− 11 pavle pavle 4096 1969-12-31 19:00 .
18:56:26obodrwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2007-02-12 12:45 ..
18:56:26obo?−−−−−−−−- ? ? ? ? ? MUSIC
18:56:26***Alert Mode level 2
18:56:26obodrwx−−−−−− 4 pavle pavle 4096 2006-04-04 21:39 PHOTO
18:56:26***Alert Mode level 3
18:56:26obodrwx−−−−−− 2 pavle pavle 4096 1980-01-01 00:26 PICTURES
18:56:27***Alert Mode level 4
18:56:27obodrwx−−−−−− 2 pavle pavle 4096 1980-01-01 00:26 PLAYLISTS
18:56:29obodrwx−−−−−− 4 pavle pavle 4096 1980-01-01 00:26 RECORD
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18:56:35barrywardellhmmm. Rockboxed for 160x128x16 seems to be slightly broken. it seems to just have the wrong filename in the .wps file
18:56:37obowht the fuck?
18:56:41Lloreanobo: Please don't make large pastes into the channel.
18:56:46obosry
18:56:56barrywardellis it ok if I just rename it? works for me in H10 sim at least...
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18:57:30Lloreanbarrywardell: Is it just like a typo that needs fixed?
18:57:47oboI can still access the music on the device
18:58:11barrywardellyeah, as far as I can tell (it calls the file bd... instead of bg...)
18:58:20LloreanProbably just fix it then.
18:58:22barrywardelli'm not very familiar with the wps stuff though
18:58:37barrywardellok
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19:38:12linuxstbobo: I don't know if it's just a co-incidence, but your directly listing looks very similar to how my FAT partition ended up after I deleted one of the two files I mention in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6648
19:38:24obolinuxstb: that wasn't me - just someone using the same nick
19:38:42linuxstbOK...
19:38:59desowinyou don't have your nick registered ?
19:39:02oboI do
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19:54:19LloreanAny 5G/5.5G users here?
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19:55:10obo5G here
19:55:27Lloreanobo: With the most recent build, do you have the option Menu>General settings> System> Battery> Charge During USB Connection ?
19:55:47LloreanSomeone on the forums is claiming that option exists, but as far as I'm aware such an option shouldn't.
19:55:51oboyes, I do
19:56:25Lloreanlinuxstb: You here?
19:56:54linuxstbYes.
19:57:12LloreanDo you know why there's a Menu>General settings> System> Battery> Charge During USB Connection on 5G iPod?
19:57:31obothe 5G is the only ipod target to have CONFIG_CHARGING defined
19:57:56oboso it also has car adapter mode...
19:58:28LloreanBut the option shouldn't be there, should it?
19:58:39linuxstbLlorean: It (mistakenly in my opinion) appeared with the H300 charging patch.
19:59:03LloreanYeah, but it doesn't affect the iPod at all, does it?
19:59:16linuxstbBut it's not a big problem - it could be applicable when we get our own disk mode.
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20:00:07LloreanWhat would it do, exactly?
20:01:35linuxstbEnable/Disable charge during USB connection...
20:01:47linuxstbBut I've no idea why such an option is needed.
20:01:56LloreanThat's what I was thinking, which is why I asked about it.
20:02:03LloreanShouldn't it always charge while a USB cable is hooked up?
20:02:23amiconnThe option is named imprecisely
20:02:37peturif you want the number of charge cycles low
20:02:52DataGhostdoesn't it have li-ion then?
20:02:53amiconnAfaik the H300 always charges from USB, and the option switches between low (100mA) and high (500mA) current
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20:03:03peturhmmmm
20:03:10DataGhostah
20:03:25amiconnThis current switching is necessary if we don't do usb in software
20:03:53amiconnAccording to the usb standard, an usb device must not draw more than 100mA without prior negotiation
20:04:35amiconn...and since the usb-ata bridge doesn't negotiate current requirements this way, the current needs to be limited in order to not violate the specs
20:04:56LloreanAh
20:05:04DataGhostspecs, heh :P
20:05:07amiconnHowever, most usb hosts and powered hubs don't shut down the port when the device draws more
20:05:07LloreanSo on the iPod we should be able to just negotiate, once that point comes?
20:05:17linuxstbWhat does the iriver firmware do?
20:05:37amiconnlinuxstb: The iriver firmware has an option
20:05:51linuxstbWhat do they call it/
20:06:00amiconnhmm, lemme check
20:06:45peturhub/desktop
20:07:36amiconnUSB Charging: ON/OFF and USB Conn. Mode: Desktop/Hub
20:07:55amiconnSo it seems that it *does* allow to deactivate usb charging completely
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20:08:07*amiconn didn't know that...
20:08:09linuxstbSo Rockbox's option is equivalent to the USB Connection Mode?
20:08:21amiconnNot sure anymore :/
20:08:25linuxstb:)
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20:12:27LloreanIs there a good reason not to allow a li-ion battery to charge? It seems heavy disk access on battery might be worse for it than letting it have the idle current.
20:13:25peturI think li-ion suffers from the charge cycles (number of time you start charging) - not sure tho
20:14:05amiconnLiIon suffers from everything...
20:14:22peturhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery
20:14:24LloreanI thought LiIon's primary nemesis was simply existing over time.
20:14:25amiconnHigh temperature, both deep discharge and full charge, age...
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20:15:29Lloreanpetur: According to that, "ithium-ion batteries should be charged early and often."
20:15:48amiconnDeep discharge and high temperature are the worst
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20:18:03*petur stands corrected and moves along
20:18:39*petur puts his iriver in the fridge, good for the battery and the cool music
20:19:18amiconnhehe
20:19:39*Llorean needs to start looking for a new battery for his
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20:42:18GodEaterLlorean: I thought you already had a new battery ?
20:42:29GodEateryou just hadn't got round to doing the upgrade with it ?
20:42:48LloreanGodEater: Yeah, but it seems to have disappeared in the move a few months back.
20:42:59GodEaterthat's a pain!
20:43:13LloreanI've got about one entire box of stuff just missing entirely
20:43:24GodEaterdid you move yourself ?
20:43:27LloreanYep
20:43:36GodEaterso it's all your fault then :)
20:43:39LloreanIndeed
20:43:45GodEatershame
20:43:51LloreanBut a replacement battery is not a huge financial burden, so it'll be okay
20:44:03GodEaterthe fiddliest bit I found was reconnecting the battery
20:44:13GodEaterswapping the polarity over was a breeze by comparison
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21:22:06KarhuWaariHi
21:22:22KarhuWaariI just installed rockbox and now its F*****ed
21:22:50KarhuWaariMy computer doesnt recognize it and it crashes when trying to play any songs
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21:23:24petur1) it's probably not, 2) do state player type
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21:23:41KarhuWaariIpod 3rd gen
21:24:16linuxstbFor your computer to recognise it, you need to reboot into the Apple firmware, or manually enter disk mode.
21:24:30linuxstbRockbox doesn't have USB/Firewire detection on the ipod 3G.
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21:24:48peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
21:24:59webguest09hello
21:25:40linuxstbpetur: The 3G is a special case - it uses a different chipset to all the later ipods, so acts differently.
21:26:13peturI was going to say something like that, and then I say the ipodmaster answer ;)
21:26:27KarhuWaariNow it has been in the state of "searching... 2 found (PLAY/PAUSE to abort) for like 20mins
21:26:33webguest70petur: even the TI-84 calculators have a USB stack.. :) http://usb8x.sourceforge.net/
21:26:44webguest09I have a question about the rockbox firmware for the iRiver h120
21:26:46KarhuWaariWhen I tried to play a song
21:27:56linuxstbKarhuWaari: How did you play the song? I'm not sure why it says "searching...".
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21:28:27KarhuWaariby choosing from the artist -> album -> song
21:28:45*petur has a demo usb(otg) stack of philips lying around, but as long as it hangs on startup (device check) it's pretty useless
21:29:07linuxstbOK, I'm not familiar with the Rockbox database, I normally just use the file browser...
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21:29:36KarhuWaarihow long does it normally take to shut down?
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21:29:49KarhuWaaribecause this has now been in "shutting down" - mode for 1 minute
21:30:39linuxstbIt should only take a few seconds.
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21:31:06KarhuWaariyeah
21:31:07KarhuWaariwell
21:31:17linuxstbApparently that's a known problem on the 3G - see this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus
21:31:20KarhuWaariIm going back for normal Ipod OS
21:31:32KarhuWaariMaybe im gonna try this when I get some new mp3 player
21:31:36linuxstbAs I said, the 3G port is much less developed than Rockbox on later ipods.
21:32:07KarhuWaariyeah
21:32:45KarhuWaariWhat thigns i must do to get it to normal state again?
21:34:29linuxstbManually reboot into disk mode, then run "ipodpatcher -d"
21:34:54linuxstbThat will delete the Rockbox bootloader. You can then delete the Rockbox files from the main partition.
21:35:29KarhuWaariok thanks
21:35:49KarhuWaariEven though the program turned out unsuitable atleast the help was quick :)
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21:42:14*XavierGr reads something about USB OTG and gets excited, then gets back to normal :P
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21:43:31peturthe good thing is, I'm catching up with work, there's a light at the end of the tunnel - could be a train tho ;)
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21:44:25XavierGrnice to hear that petur :D
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21:44:54XavierGrdo you have a patch submitted with all this work?
21:45:33peturno, it's a real mess - it just compiles the stack and tries to init it, nothing remotely usable
21:45:46peturI do have a backup on two disks ;)
21:46:11linuxstbYou could still post it to the wiki or something...
21:46:27XavierGrand was the problem with again?
21:46:32XavierGr+what
21:46:44XavierGr+it
21:46:54XavierGrI must learn to type someday
21:47:36peturit stops on waiting for V-rise: it tries to engage conversation but doesn't get very far. Something must be weird about ID and/or VBUS
21:48:17peturthe fact that ID is connected to the processor and not to the usb connector is one thing that's not done in normal design
21:48:37peturI asked Linus to trace vbus and id to make sure
21:48:57XavierGrdid you got a reply?
21:49:06peturhe was busy at the time
21:49:15peturand now I am ;)
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21:50:56[toffe]XavierGr : did you receive my email
21:51:25XavierGrah hello toffe I didn't realise you were here
21:51:28XavierGryes I did
21:51:43XavierGr(you mean the reply to my first one right?)
21:51:52[toffe]yes
21:52:00[toffe]yuo send me another one ?
21:52:33XavierGrin the end I didn't bid on it, because the price went up far, the seller needed weird quirks to pay him and I was a bit unsure
21:52:56XavierGrno I didn't send another one.
21:53:07[toffe]like I told you , I bid on this one 3 weeks ago and he send me something else
21:53:07XavierGrbut one of those days I am thinking to buy one from you
21:53:22[toffe]just tell me
21:53:38[toffe]I just got a F11 for 60$
21:53:52[toffe]it is really nice, it is an japan import
21:53:57XavierGrF11?
21:54:21XavierGrI thought it was 20, 40 and 60
21:55:30perl|workthere are f11, f21 and f41
21:55:37perl|workf41 is the same size as f11 and f20
21:55:42perl|workdifferent colors too
21:55:46perl|workonly produced for japan
21:56:19perl|workall have new drive with perpendicular technology
21:57:07XavierGrhehe this just reminded me the "Get Perpendicular" song from toshiba :P
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21:57:21indrohi all
21:57:26indrois it possible to shuffle the whole database?
21:58:21n1sindro, yes
21:58:32indronice, how? :)
21:59:14n1splaylist options->create playlist, turn shuffle on
21:59:20n1sshould do it
21:59:39Slasherifor the database, hold select on artist -> playlist -> shuffle
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22:00:24indrookay, thanks! :))
22:00:36n1sah, yes that, should work too, I've never *used* the database ;-)
22:00:51Slasheri=) that's pretty handy
22:01:09Slasherisame for other entries too, such as "best tracks"
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22:01:17indroother thing: i get dir buffer full, whats that?
22:01:27n1syes, but indexing the 30k of sid tunes in the hvsc was no fun :-P
22:01:29linuxstbSlasheri: I don't know if you're interested in fixing it, but tools/database.c doesn't compile any more.
22:01:31Slasheriyou need to increase the dir buffer
22:01:39Slasherithat was something in system - limits
22:01:51Slasherilinuxstb: it should not compile
22:01:52indrookay cool, will do that.
22:02:01Slasherilinuxstb: that code is used nowhere now
22:02:06linuxstbSlasheri: Huh? It compiled in the past...
22:02:15linuxstbIt's your standalone database builder.
22:02:19Slasheriups..
22:02:24Slasherii read apps/database.c =)
22:02:28blindWhere can I go to read up on the wps syntax? I tried searching on rockbox.org but it came up with a lot of mail archives and nothing substantial.
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22:02:47linuxstbSlasheri: It fails with button-target.h - because no target is specified....
22:02:49Slasherilinuxstb: i should also implement the endianess-correction to the database
22:03:32n1sblind: appendix in the manual, or CustomWPS page in the wiki
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22:03:47indrois ipod loading battery when I plugin usb cable and use rockbox?
22:04:13linuxstbYes, but it may be using more power than it draws via usb...
22:04:37Slasherii wonder if settings.h really needs to include button.h
22:04:43Slasheriremoving that probably fixes it
22:04:53linuxstbI think that's needed for the Hold-related settings.
22:04:54indroso whats the best for load battery?
22:05:09n1sindro: boot the OF
22:05:10Slasherihmm, but shouldn't that be in config.h
22:05:13blindn1s: the appendix doesn't say much. There was a page I remember being at, it was like a tutorial for making your own theme. Maybe it's the CustomWPS in the wiki, I'll check that out.
22:05:25indron1s, whats OF?
22:05:28Slasheriit only uses HAS_BUTTON_HOLD
22:05:35blindindro: original firmware
22:05:38Slasheriand that is target specific
22:05:53linuxstbSlasheri: Yes, that would probably be logical.
22:05:53n1sOriginal Firmware, iow, turn hold on while booting
22:06:10indrookay, thank you!
22:07:15Slasherieh.. that HAS_BUTTON_HOLD is defined in button-target.h
22:07:45Slasheriwell, probably that's logical too..
22:11:24Slasherihmm, is gwps.h include needed in metadata.c? probably not, trying
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22:13:18Slasherilinuxstb: fix committed
22:13:24Slasherinow sleep ->
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22:25:09indroim off, thx & cu! :)
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22:48:33web-tazgood evening boys 'n girls...
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22:49:46web-tazi have got some questions about the mpegplugin...
22:50:03web-tazcould anybody be so nice and try to answer me?
22:50:24Bagderask and you shall see
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22:51:47markunweb-taz: did you check the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
22:51:56web-tazyes
22:52:05web-tazhm i think yes
22:52:05web-taz^^
22:52:21web-tazhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer <−− that? -> yes
22:52:37markunyes
22:52:38n1sBagder: I made a bug report about the lang bug with using 'none' in FS #6652, if you want to have a look at it ;-)
22:53:06*Bagder whistles and look at the ceiling
22:53:26n1s:-P
22:54:09markunweb-taz: so what's the question?
22:54:11web-tazmy little problem is, that the videos from this site are functioning (sry for faults in language or so -> I'm German), but videos I converted by myself with help of the converter.bat just start to buffer, the sound runs, but there's no picture
22:54:28Lloreanweb-taz: What frame rate are they at?
22:55:10Bagdern1s: I'll investigate that later, but thanks for filing the issue
22:55:10LloreanMPEG-2 only supports certain frame rates, and if they aren't at a proper one (and you don't force it to convert), the encoder will just encode audio without video.
22:55:29web-tazmom
22:56:15web-tazone video was with 10, one large movie with 23.97
22:56:24n1sBagder: well, it doesn't exactly affect anything until the cleanup patch is comitted, and that depends on some other things too so no sweat :-)
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22:56:43web-tazbut when it's the framerate then my problem should be solved
22:57:51Lloreanweb-taz: Try setting fps=25 in the .bat
22:58:21web-tazyes,
22:58:32web-tazi'm just trying
22:59:20web-tazwell...
22:59:41web-tazwhy is rockbox using mpeg2 but the original firmware in iriver can handle xvid?
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23:00:05web-tazwouldn't it make a better quality with xvid?
23:00:07LloreanNot necessarily
23:00:37LloreanConsidering how small the screen is, a lot of the benefits of MPEG-4 aren't necessarily relevant, and an MPEG-2 decoder was easier to adapt at the time.
23:00:51LloreanIf you'd like to convert an MPEG-4 decoder though, feel free.
23:01:33web-tazwell, not in the next time sry ;)
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23:02:52web-tazyear! it works :D
23:03:31web-taztomorrow's waiting for bus and train will no longer be such boring as before :D
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23:03:59web-tazo_O
23:04:12web-tazwow the video is quite 'asynchron'
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23:04:56web-tazjust on the player...
23:04:58web-tazwell
23:05:01web-taznow thx alot
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23:05:05web-tazand a gn8
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23:06:08n1sweb-taz: try encoding with lower bitrate
23:06:17n1sand lower fps
23:06:39web-tazwhich fps would fit?
23:07:17web-tazMPEG-2 only supports certain frame rates<−− which certain framerates?
23:07:26oboBagder: I think my build server is down as arm and sim only?? It's got m68k and sh on it now if needed
23:08:19perl|work"a San Diego-based startup is poised to release a DAP that will not only let users get their share on, but actually enable direct-to-device downloads as well."
23:08:21Lloreanweb-taz: I think 15 is a valid option.
23:08:35Bagderobo: obo.gotdns.org is already marked for all 4 flavours actually
23:08:39perl|workformer iRiver people involved
23:09:07Lloreanperl|work: Tell them to email us. :-P
23:09:17oboBagder: oh - strange, no masterlogs or build folders for any other flavour
23:09:30Bagderthat's... strange
23:10:09oboabout as strange as the 988 defunct processes on it just now before a reboot :)
23:10:19perl|workwhole article
23:10:19perl|workhttp://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72693-0.html?tw=rss.index
23:10:30[toffe]question: I just receive a F11 gigabeat, the hard drive inside is a mk2006gal which is normally a 20gb, any idea how to unlock the 10gb remaining ?
23:10:46[toffe]it is the same drive use on ipod
23:10:56Bagderobo: I'll keep my eyes open and see if I find something
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23:11:58[toffe]it seems to be the same on the F10 also a 20gb downgrade to a 10gb
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23:12:16[toffe]any idea anybody ? do you have this case on the ipod ?
23:12:43n1s[toffe]: doesn't fdisk or equivalent see the unpartitioned space?
23:12:53DataGhostgrr, I wanted to type that ;(
23:13:11[toffe]no
23:13:12n1s:-P
23:13:20DataGhostit's probably locked in the hardware else guides would be crawling over the web
23:13:24[toffe]must be hidden by the firmware
23:13:26DataGhostand there would be no need to ask here :P
23:13:36XavierGrtoffe are you serious? Toshiba included a 20GB drive and only 10GB is available?
23:13:43[toffe]yes
23:13:51XavierGrthat's crazy from their part
23:13:58XavierGr(if the disk is 20 GB in the end)
23:14:02DataGhostindeed
23:14:05[toffe]we just confirm on the F11 and it seems on the F10, I will see tonoght
23:14:16[toffe]just marketing stuff
23:14:43DataGhostprobably it's slightly cheaper than having 2 different production lines
23:14:52LloreanSince Toshiba makes the drives, maybe they just jammed 2006s with one bad platter in as a way to use 'defective' stock or something? Assuming that'd even work?
23:14:54web-taza Framerate of 15Hz is the same as 15 fps?
23:14:58XavierGrhmm well you could always remove the disk and put it on a 1.8 case or another dap to make sure that the software is to blame
23:15:21markunLlorean: they have only 1 platter
23:15:35Lloreanmarkun: Oh, sorry, I thought he said GAH not GAL.
23:15:39XavierGryeah 20gb drives have one platter
23:15:41markunor maybe they are double sided and use only 1 side?
23:15:53DataGhostthat would make them twice as slow, by the way
23:16:09DataGhostafaik :)
23:16:24DataGhostbut it's probably in the software then... the 80GB iPod also 'lies' to the pc
23:16:31linuxstb_web-taz: Probably... (unless it's interlaced and Hz refers to fields/second, not frames per second)
23:17:37LloreanDon't the Gigabeats have a hardware USB to ATA bridge?
23:17:41markunin case anyone is interested: firmware update for the MK2003GAH: http://www.dynabook.com/assistpc/download/modify/mk2003gah/xp/index_j.htm
23:17:44markunLlorean: yes
23:17:55LloreanSo if it were lying, it'd be there that it happens, right?
23:18:15markunLlorean: no, probably in the HDD firmware
23:19:06DataGhostso you'd have to upload 'normal' firmware at the minor chance of bricking the drive
23:19:20DataGhostif it's identical in hardware
23:19:30markunDataGhost: yes, maybe :)
23:19:47[toffe]the problem is to find the firmware
23:20:05DataGhostis that write-only then?
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23:22:25perl|workusing some defective platters for the double platter drive to make it 10gb sounds too crazy
23:23:04DataGhostand it still requires separate production lines
23:23:05[toffe]I think it is just firmware, I have to find out the firmware revision on differnet disk
23:23:07Lloreanperl|work: It's a single platter drive anyway.
23:23:13DataGhostcrippling firmware can be done through the player firmware
23:23:46LloreanDataGhost: My theory was using single platter drives, and any double platter ones that didn't pass QA on one of the platters. A way to cut losses, not so much an alternate manufacturing.
23:24:13DataGhostno but you'd need a separate line to use those drives
23:24:21DataGhostor do another testing pass after building the devices
23:24:34DataGhostand adjusting the firmware+player type to it's capabilities
23:24:44*Llorean shrugs
23:24:58[toffe]or just a an update firmware hard drive and software at the same time
23:25:07DataGhostyes that's what I suggested
23:25:17DataGhostsame production line, different branding and software
23:25:18[toffe]sorry ;)
23:25:30LloreanIt just seems really strange to intentionally cripple the drives, but stranger things have happened.
23:25:38DataGhostwell Llorean
23:25:43DataGhostfictive:
23:25:48DataGhost10gb drive = $50
23:25:51DataGhost20gb drive = $70
23:25:57DataGhostseparate production line = $30
23:25:59perl|workit says everywhere that "apple uses the same but a modified drive"
23:26:17perl|workso it should be a matter of firmware i presume
23:26:25DataGhosttakes just simple maths to see that a separate line with 10gb drives will be more expensive than 1 line with 20gb drives, so you just cripple the better drives
23:26:32DataGhostsame thing happens with graphics cars
23:26:33DataGhost+d
23:26:59LloreanDataGhost: That assumes that it was cheaper to use crippled 20gb drives. That may or may not have been true.
23:27:24DataGhostno, but very probable
23:27:30DataGhostI'd do it :)
23:27:32LloreanWith graphics cards and processors, it's a case of the hardware not being rated at the higher voltage or frequency.
23:28:01DataGhostand some cards have disabled vertex/pixel shaders, which can be enabled with mixed success
23:28:11DataGhostsometimes they are really broken, sometimes they work fine
23:28:31DataGhostusually they test that after manufacturing (in the beginning)
23:28:37LloreanBut I'm sure testing will show whether it's possible to recover the other half of these drives.
23:28:46DataGhostlater on, there are almost no broken cores so they just disable them intentionally
23:28:52perl|workhttp://hoct12.stores.yahoo.net/968.html
23:29:07DataGhostwell, your method could be used too, with a test after the manufacturing
23:29:09[toffe]this is what I found about the mk2006gal for ipod : You have to update th ROM MEMORY OF DRIVE & Firmware, in order to use in APPLE IPOD
23:29:11perl|work"You have to update th ROM MEMORY OF DRIVE & Firmware, in order to use in APPLE IPOD "
23:29:22[toffe]:)
23:29:22perl|workha
23:29:25perl|workyes
23:29:27DataGhostheh
23:29:38LloreanDataGhost: Which is kinda what I was suggesting. But it could be any manner of things. The important isn't 'why' but 'can we undo it?'
23:29:48DataGhost:)
23:29:57DataGhostone way to find out :P
23:30:07DataGhostbut I don't have such a device
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23:36:09markun[toffe] has 2 :)
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23:38:17webguest09can anyone give me a link to downloading the ipod mini firmware??
23:38:55markunwebguest09: do you have rockbox installed already?
23:42:23webguest09no im going to get it installed
23:42:27webguest09using that rockbox installer x
23:42:31webguest09since i know its really easier
23:42:40webguest09and i just need to locate the firmware
23:42:44webguest09on it...
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23:44:02linuxstb_http://www.rockbox.org
23:44:18Lloreanwebguest09: The only supported install method is that covered by our instructions.
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23:46:04webguest09i know but a friend told me that it was alot easier
23:46:10webguest09http://www.kreator666.gabeandco.info/rockbox/documentation.html
23:47:09Lloreanwebguest09: It may seem easier, but if it doesn't work right, you won't get any support here.
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23:47:22LloreanBut any files you need are available at rockbox.org.
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23:47:50webguest09well the current install thats supoorted by rockbox seems really hard
23:47:54webguest09with all that command prompt stuff
23:48:26webguest09so can someone give me the url for the ipod mini firmware...i can't find it on the site.
23:48:30LloreanYou've already typed more lines in here than the instructions require you to type.
23:48:56LloreanBut if you can't find the current build from the front page of the site, it's possible you shouldn't be experimenting with alternative firmwares. You're likely to get quite confused once you're in it.
23:49:54Nico_Pmarkun: it looks like you forgot to correct the progressbar on the rockboxed background...
23:50:08webguest09im not a noob llorean...i can code in php, c+, asl, asp, java, and python
23:50:22Lloreanwebguest09: C+ isn't a language. And I never suggested you were.
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23:50:41LloreanI suggested that the website is less confusing than the firmware.
23:50:42webguest09it is just when i go to the releases i can only find everything but the ipod mini
23:50:49bluebrotherthe new beta version of ipodpatcher makes installing quite easy ...
23:50:59webguest09cuz the website navigation sucks...ooops i shoudn't of said that.
23:51:00linuxstb_bluebrother: But not on the mini...
23:51:00Lloreanbluebrother: He's on a Mini. Not supported by the new method yet.
23:51:03webguest09can someone just give me aurl!
23:51:18Lloreanwebguest09: I even hinted VERY strongly where you can find the _Current Build_
23:51:22linuxstb_webguest09: There are three options under "Downloads" - explore...
23:51:25LloreanMy word choice was careful.
23:51:53webguest09you are genious'!
23:52:00bluebrotheroh. Missed that :o
23:52:02webguest09im 63 and trying to get this on my grandsons ipod!
23:52:13webguest09so im tryin to learn this whole big wave about technology!
23:52:26argonelmaybe you should let your grandson do the work instead.
23:52:31markunNico_P: yes, I did :)
23:52:42*bluebrother remembers he heard something about programming c+ ...
23:52:45Lloreanwebguest09: Honestly, Rockbox on the iPod is not best suited for everyone.
23:52:56webguest09my grandson isn't a noob...
23:52:59bluebrotherwhatever this language is supposed to be ;-)
23:53:00webguest09i am :) i forgot to say that
23:53:01Lloreanwebguest09: It's possible you should read through the manual first.
23:53:24LloreanBeing a 'noob' has nothing to do with it.
23:53:29*bluebrother suggests the FAQ too
23:53:29LloreanMany people just don't prefer it.
23:53:29webguest09how can i tell if my grandsons mini is a first generation or second?
23:53:29Mikachu63 year olds today aren't what they used to be :(
23:53:39markunNico_P: just need to move the bottom down 1 pixel, right?
23:53:42webguest09what did 63 year olds used to be?
23:53:45bluebrothergrumpy old men? hehe.
23:53:59Nico_Pmarkun: the whole bar should go down 1 pixel, yes
23:54:03Mikachuthey usually have better grammar and don't write "cuz"
23:54:19Nico_P(i tested with my y-coord patch)
23:54:29Lloreanwebguest09: Seriously, try reading the manual before asking for random help. A lot of things are covered in it.
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23:54:56bluebrotherleft quickly ...
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23:55:29scorchewell, you know how those 63 year olds are these days...
23:55:33bluebrothermaybe he even _was_ a grumpy old man? *wonders*
23:55:48LloreanA grumpy old man who's fond of the word 'noob' :)
23:55:51bluebrotherI'd rather doubt he was 63.
23:56:04ildellaHi. I have Loader2 running on nano1g and ipodlinux appears from the menu and starts ok. I am trying to put also rockbox kernel on ipod but i can't figure out where to unzip the rockbox.zip file: it did not appear in loader menu neither if i put in / nor in /boot (where linux kernel is). Any advice?=
23:56:21Lloreanildella: It needs to be in a fat32 partition.
23:56:28ildellaah, ok
23:56:33Lloreanildella: But Loader2 isn't supported by use, you need to ask its providers where it looks for things
23:56:33ildellain the root is ok?
23:56:49LloreanIt should be, yes.
23:56:57ildellai try right now :)
23:56:57ildellatnx
23:58:34markunNico_P: why are some of the pg- bitmaps taller than the pgln- bitmaps?

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