00:00:41 | petur | or just load without the box |
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00:01:08 | desowin | load without the box sounds good for me |
00:01:19 | Soap | I think a kind PM is all it would take. Everybody seems to be the worst about it. |
00:01:33 | Everybody | do I? |
00:01:45 | Kasperle | i'm all for swift kicks :P |
00:02:01 | Mikachu | yeah, asking nicely first is a good idea :) |
00:02:07 | Soap | the changing of nicks with here/away status, Everybody. Many people consider it rude. |
00:02:22 | Mikachu | the problem is when someone goes away, they won't see that you asked them unless you kick |
00:02:38 | Mikachu | (some clients show /msg inside the channel window as well) |
00:03:11 | Everybody | Soap I'm not away :p |
00:03:23 | Soap | s/away/lost |
00:03:32 | Everybody | how is that considered rude :s |
00:03:47 | bospaadje | Everybody, it clogs up the channel with nick change messages |
00:03:57 | Kasperle | Everybody: it is unnecessary spam in an already crowded channel |
00:04:25 | petur | and it seems to be your main contribution to this channel |
00:04:36 | Kasperle | Everybody: you can just set yourself /away with a meaningful message and everybody who needs to know whether you're there or not can then query that with /whois Everybody |
00:04:39 | Mikachu | of course, if it really annoys you you can do /ignore #rockbox NICK |
00:05:13 | * | petur is afraid to ignore everybody :p |
00:05:23 | Everybody | well I'd rather I didn't get highlights while I'm away to be honest |
00:05:34 | Mikachu | i mean literally nick, in irssi it ignores nick changes |
00:05:34 | Everybody | and seriously what difference does it make |
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00:05:58 | Soap | if it doesn't make a difference, why argue with the request? |
00:06:43 | bospaadje | everybody, if you don't want highlights, dont take a dictionary word as nick |
00:06:52 | bospaadje | especially not a widely used one |
00:06:55 | Soap | It's generally considered bad nettiquite, and yeah, bospaadje beat me to point #2 |
00:08:22 | markun | Mithanks for the tip! |
00:08:40 | Mikachu | no prob |
00:08:58 | Mikachu | be aware that you'll sometimes talk to people who aren't here :) |
00:09:33 | Mikachu | err, my head skipped a logical step there |
00:09:42 | Mikachu | i was going to say you can do /ignore #rockbox joins quits too |
00:10:36 | * | amiconn wonders why nick changes are considered that bad |
00:10:37 | Everybody | pfft |
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00:11:08 | Kasperle | hang on, i recently bookmarked a link that tells you why |
00:11:52 | amiconn | There are much more joins & quits that there are nick changes... and since they're shown in a different colour than ordinary text, it doesn't matter, imho |
00:12:15 | amiconn | s/that/than/ |
00:12:16 | Kasperle | http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html just noticed, it does focus more on public away messages, but it also makes a point on away nicks :P |
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00:16:05 | Everybody | well |
00:16:06 | Everybody | if you really want |
00:16:13 | Everybody | I'll disable highlights and nick changes in this channel |
00:16:19 | Everybody | 8-) |
00:16:37 | Everybody | oh yeah |
00:16:46 | Everybody | I can't because I haven't updated my server thingy list |
00:16:55 | Everybody | well you'll just have to put up with it for a bit longer then :p |
00:16:58 | Everybody | bye |
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00:19:02 | desowin | petur: current svn of qtscrobbler doesn't open file dialog if .scrobbler.log exists in last used directory |
00:19:41 | petur | thanks... will check if I have time, else wait for the next w32 binary ;) |
00:20:08 | desowin | it may be long, long time ;-) |
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00:26:03 | ]RowaN[ | anyone here tried/failed/succeeded playing a mpeg file on sansa build? |
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00:33:39 | linuxstb_ | ]Rowan[: Have you tried the Elephants Dream sample video from the mpegplayer wiki page? |
00:33:51 | ]RowaN[ | nope, will try it |
00:34:06 | linuxstb_ | The 220x176 version should work - I think mpegplayer will rotate it on the Sansa. |
00:34:09 | ]RowaN[ | maybe 1gb porn mpeg was a bit ambitios |
00:34:20 | petur | rofl |
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00:34:46 | * | petur starts to understand why people want video on a dap |
00:35:11 | petur | or rather, doesn't understand.... |
00:35:33 | ]RowaN[ | did i say porn i meant disney |
00:36:03 | petur | mickey and minnie mouse? |
00:36:33 | midkay | oh god... |
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00:36:51 | qwm | oh yes. |
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00:37:48 | ]RowaN[ | trying to download this mpeg now.. whats a torrent? |
00:37:54 | ]RowaN[ | only joking! =p |
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00:49:04 | * | petur discovers microsoft doesn't follow its own long->short filename conversion guideline and is hardly surprised |
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00:51:30 | petur | €12.txt becomes 12D403~1.TXT, following the guideline gives me _12~1.txt |
00:52:41 | linuxstb | Nice also that the GUI and command-prompt do things differently... |
00:52:54 | petur | indeed |
00:53:19 | toffe | linuxstb : did you get you gigabeat ? |
00:53:21 | petur | so why should I care... ;) |
00:54:39 | petur | our char2dos() is flawed in that it checks of illegal chars. It should check for allowed chars and reject the rest |
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00:55:27 | linuxstb | toffe: No, I was outbid. I'm still not sure if I want to buy one though, I've got a cupboard full of mp3 players... |
00:55:38 | toffe | :) |
00:55:57 | linuxstb | and another cupboard for the chargers. |
00:55:59 | amiconn | Those gigabeats are fairly cheap on ebay |
00:56:14 | Mikachu | petur: surely checking illegal chars is better and faster? |
00:56:25 | toffe | I am just playing with the gigabeat |
00:56:37 | linuxstb | Yes, the F40 I was looking at went for around $130 USD, which is very cheap with the current GBP->USD exchange rate. |
00:56:58 | amiconn | Otoh, imho development wise the only interesting part was figuring out how things work, and that's already done (mostly) |
00:57:10 | toffe | did you see the other one, a f20 |
00:57:36 | amiconn | The thing is simply overpowered for a dap, and in fact it surprises me that runtime is as good as it is |
00:57:43 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm keeping an eye on ebay, and if a bargain comes I may buy one. |
00:58:03 | linuxstb | Yes, the runtime is impressive. Makes optimisation seem pointless... |
00:58:37 | toffe | this one : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300082843283&fromMakeTrack=true |
00:58:37 | amiconn | I've watched two F40s, one went for USD132, the other for USB122 |
00:58:40 | amiconn | *USD |
00:58:57 | toffe | expensive |
00:59:12 | toffe | F40 should go between 80 and 120 |
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00:59:41 | amiconn | Still less than half of what H140s go for |
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01:00:05 | amiconn | USD132 is ~EUR100. H140 usually go betwen EUR270 and EUR290, sometimes more |
01:00:17 | toffe | did you see the boot sequence I got from the console port of the S30 |
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01:00:52 | linuxstb | I looked at that. Do you know anything about the signature it's checking? |
01:00:54 | toffe | if somebody know wince, he is welcome :) |
01:01:01 | toffe | no |
01:01:17 | toffe | the problem is that I don't know if the boot is complete |
01:01:46 | toffe | my s30 doesn't have a lcd so I don't know, and I cannot find an entry to send command |
01:01:57 | linuxstb | Maybe that's all the bootloader does, and then control is passed to the kernel, which doesn't log? |
01:02:06 | toffe | perhaps |
01:03:02 | toffe | missing things, intitialisation of the video converter ?? |
01:04:32 | toffe | when I push the power button I write : USB2COM:HcdMdd_PowerUp called |
01:05:37 | toffe | so it is login messages, there should be a way to enter command, but perhaps there is a crtl something to enter the console in interactive mode |
01:07:13 | * | petur tries to recall stuff from his wince days |
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01:24:46 | ]RowaN[ | elephants dream seems to play back well on the sansa, not fullscreen mind |
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01:25:35 | ]RowaN[ | oh i think i downloaded a lower resolution version |
01:25:59 | barrywardell | try the 224x176 version |
01:26:42 | ]RowaN[ | bit confusing that the page tells you only the width of the video, not the dimensions.. confused me anyway |
01:27:26 | linuxstb | It needs updating with Sansa info... |
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01:27:56 | ]RowaN[ | page im looking at is http://rockbox.cleansoap.org/tracker/library.php?i=1 |
01:29:19 | linuxstb | This page has direct links to the files - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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01:30:02 | barrywardell | ]RowaN[: It's the 224 wide one on that page |
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01:31:16 | linuxstb | So the lcd_yuv_blit() is rotating on the Sansa/ |
01:31:18 | ]RowaN[ | thanks |
01:31:18 | linuxstb | ? |
01:31:42 | ]RowaN[ | the video is rotated yes, if thats what you're asking |
01:31:59 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yes |
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01:32:35 | barrywardell | that's the way it's currently implemented anyway |
01:32:51 | linuxstb | Same as the gigabeat - I think it makes sense. |
01:33:18 | barrywardell | it's quite comfortable watching the videos like that too |
01:33:58 | ]RowaN[ | argh, have to rename those files from .mpeg to .mpg for rockbox |
01:34:49 | Mikachu | ]RowaN[: just copy the line with mpg in viewers.config and change mpg to mpeg |
01:35:10 | ]RowaN[ | sweet |
01:35:31 | linuxstb | Or just use the context menu "open-with" option. |
01:35:55 | ]RowaN[ | doh |
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01:50:06 | midkay | if you're committing new bitmaps, do you have to do the propset application/mime-type thingy or.. what exactly does that apply to? |
01:50:08 | XavierGr | linuxstb, toffe: there was an F40 sold for 70 USD! And I lost it, I forgot to bid on it :( |
01:50:21 | toffe | :) |
01:50:32 | XavierGr | toffe: do you still have a diskless F40? |
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01:51:06 | toffe | all the ones working have a disk , but I can make one diskless |
01:51:41 | XavierGr | I mean one that its hard disk was faulty |
01:52:01 | XavierGr | I may buy it from you in the end, that spare 40GB disk is sitting idly |
01:52:10 | toffe | :) |
01:52:30 | XavierGr | I am just awaiting for my ondio FM to arrive |
01:52:35 | XavierGr | then I will contact you |
01:52:38 | toffe | ok |
01:52:43 | toffe | where are you from ? |
01:52:51 | XavierGr | Greece |
01:52:59 | toffe | ok |
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01:55:19 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Do you know what FPS mpegplayer is getting on the Sansa? |
01:58:18 | midkay | linuxstb: by the way, what's the status of the cop patch? were there still some bugs that need straightening out before it's committed? |
01:58:47 | barrywardell | linuxstb: it was about 16 for full screen |
01:59:01 | linuxstb | barrywardell: With or without the COP? |
01:59:08 | barrywardell | but that was with the version before the audio commit |
01:59:14 | barrywardell | and without the cop |
01:59:29 | linuxstb | midkay: dan_a is the person to ask, but yes, I think there are still a few problems left. |
01:59:31 | barrywardell | it's hard to get the fps up when the buttons don't work ;) |
01:59:44 | midkay | linuxstb: ok, thanks, just curious. |
01:59:47 | linuxstb | :) You could just copy a .cfg file from another player. |
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02:00:11 | barrywardell | midkay: I think the usb detection breaking was the main problem left |
02:00:21 | linuxstb | But if you got 16fps without audio, you should get the same with audio and the COP. |
02:01:07 | midkay | barrywardell: ah. that reminds me, whenever i boot my ipod 5g by plugging in USB, it locks up at the file browser (whereas from about a month ago back it would reboot in usb mode) - heard about this? |
02:01:18 | linuxstb | Not that much slower than the ipod Color/Photo, which gets 18fps, but that doesn't rotate. |
02:02:08 | Mikachu | isn't rotating free when you're blitting anyway? |
02:02:54 | barrywardell | linuxstb: it's ~15 now with current svn. that's audio+video, but I think the audio thread may be dead |
02:03:03 | barrywardell | and without cop |
02:03:20 | barrywardell | midkay: i haven't heard of that specifically |
02:03:33 | barrywardell | but I think there are problems with usb detection in general |
02:03:55 | midkay | linuxstb: hmm, x * (3/2) is better than x * 1.5? |
02:04:08 | linuxstb | No, but (x*3)/2 should be better. |
02:04:16 | linuxstb | Did I do (3/2) ? |
02:04:32 | midkay | no, i don't think so.. just a personal question for the about-to-be-commited clock update.. |
02:04:46 | linuxstb | Sorry, I thought you were talking about changes I made to chopper. |
02:04:50 | Mikachu | (3/2) gives 1, so it would be a no-op |
02:04:55 | midkay | linuxstb: a related question :) |
02:05:11 | midkay | ah.. |
02:05:13 | Mikachu | and *1.5 isn't good since it's a float |
02:05:30 | linuxstb | I'm not 100% sure if x*1.5 and (x*3)/2 are equivalent though |
02:05:42 | linuxstb | i.e. will they round the same? |
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02:06:50 | safetydan | Does the clock code use the fixedpoint library? |
02:06:52 | midkay | i'll stick with 1.5 for now.. this isn't dependent on speed anyways... |
02:07:04 | midkay | safetydan: no, some built in sine function is all.. |
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02:07:19 | midkay | i should use the library actually. |
02:07:32 | Mikachu | void main() {int i; for (i=0;i<10;i++) printf("%i %i −− ", (i*3)/2, (int)(i*1.5));} |
02:07:37 | Mikachu | 0 0 −− 1 1 −− 3 3 −− 4 4 −− 6 6 −− 7 7 −− 9 9 −− 10 10 −− 12 12 −− 13 13 −− |
02:09:55 | * | linuxstb just did the same up to INT_MAX, and they matched up to the point where the integer version overflowed. |
02:10:25 | Mikachu | the (int) isn't needed if you print (i*3)/2-i*1.5 instead |
02:10:46 | Mikachu | probably just that gcc doesn't know printf wants an int |
02:11:42 | linuxstb | Back to more important things, the wheel in chopper works well, I think I'll commit... |
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02:13:28 | midkay | what's the sansa's LCD res? |
02:14:31 | barrywardell | 176x224 |
02:14:53 | pixelma | not 220? |
02:15:47 | barrywardell | yeah, sorry, 176x220 |
02:16:12 | midkay | barrywardell: thanks. |
02:16:21 | midkay | should use 176x132 nano bitmaps then.. |
02:17:47 | barrywardell | it's an ipod color lcd rotated by 90 degrees if that's any help |
02:18:26 | midkay | barrywardell: works perfectly with nano bitmaps :) |
02:18:47 | midkay | ok, whew, all targets are officially fullscreen-clock-supported. :) |
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02:20:55 | barrywardell | linuxstb: about 15fps with the COP |
02:22:36 | midkay | how do you delete from the svn repository, anyone? |
02:22:48 | safetydan | midkay, svn remove |
02:22:51 | safetydan | then svn commit |
02:23:10 | midkay | safetydan: thanks. |
02:23:26 | linuxstb | barrywardell: So the same with and without the COP? |
02:23:33 | midkay | safetydan: do bmp files need to be set as binary or whatever? |
02:24:32 | safetydan | midkay, I think subversion defaults to treating things as binary already |
02:24:42 | safetydan | though some of that depends on the server side settings |
02:24:48 | midkay | got it, thanks.. we'll see what happens. |
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02:25:42 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yeah, apparently so. but remember that we don't actually have audio on the Sansa. And I think the audio thread dies anyway |
02:25:54 | linuxstb | It must do. |
02:26:16 | linuxstb | It probably fills the PCM buffer, and then waits (forever) for it to empty. |
02:26:44 | barrywardell | sounds about right. that's what happens when I normally try to play a mp3 too |
02:28:10 | midkay | aw, it got committed without a comment.. any way to change that? |
02:29:07 | midkay | how unfair. :( |
02:30:00 | preglow | hmm |
02:30:14 | preglow | anyone think we'll ever need to care about any other pcf interrupts than the alarm? |
02:30:42 | Llorean | What are the other ones? |
02:30:56 | preglow | there are a ton, really |
02:31:02 | preglow | more specifically about 3*8 |
02:31:04 | preglow | a bit less |
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02:31:34 | preglow | charger connect stuff, key presses, second timer tick, watchdog |
02:31:43 | preglow | accesory insert, whatever that is |
02:32:03 | preglow | midkay: what's up with the lack of commit message? |
02:32:26 | midkay | preglow: i expected it to ask me... i'm committing a small update with a commit message though, that'll explain my last commit. |
02:33:12 | Llorean | I thought SVN forced open your default editor if you didn't use -m |
02:33:36 | midkay | exactly, so did i.. |
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02:33:41 | midkay | but it didn't, so.. sigh. :) |
02:33:59 | midkay | i committed a small update to clock.c and explained my last commit in that message. |
02:34:52 | pixelma | you should have been waiting for the real reason (i.e. red) ;) |
02:35:16 | midkay | haha. didn't expect that. :E i tested on all platforms.. simple fix though. *commits* |
02:36:42 | pixelma | wonder why there's red for non-rtc-targets too |
02:37:20 | pixelma | (Ondios, H1x0s) |
02:37:47 | midkay | bitmaps were still built for those targets.. |
02:37:50 | midkay | even though not used. |
02:38:09 | midkay | (i removed a few old bitmaps in favor of newer ones, but didn't change that the old ones were supposed to be built still.) |
02:39:09 | midkay | i did a quick commit while the other was building, i hope the servers realize that and build the new commit since the other is done... |
02:39:17 | midkay | there it goes. |
02:41:27 | pixelma | ah, I see |
02:41:29 | preglow | is depending on the bss being zeroed a good thing? :> |
02:41:42 | Mikachu | it gets zeroed by the plugin loader at least |
02:43:16 | midkay | hurry up and build.. *has to leave* |
02:44:54 | preglow | Mikachu: it always gets zeroed, i just wonder if depending on it is good. i've seen a couple of static function vars where this initialisation is obviously being relied upon |
02:45:20 | Mikachu | i didn't know if it got zeroed for the main rockbox image |
02:45:26 | preglow | well, i guess it does |
02:45:28 | preglow | bss usually is |
02:45:35 | preglow | that is, i know it is zeroed |
02:45:46 | preglow | at least for ipod, where i wrote the bootloader startup code, heh |
02:45:53 | midkay | green (as much as usual) - yay. gotta run, back in 4 hours |
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02:47:45 | Mikachu | if you know it's always zero, it seems a bit silly to zero it |
02:47:46 | linuxstb | preglow: I thought gcc would give you a warning if a variable was being used without being initialised? |
02:48:51 | Mikachu | linuxstb: you never committed the touch chopper thingy? |
02:49:28 | linuxstb | No, I realised it broke using the SELECT button, so I need to fix it. |
02:49:33 | Mikachu | ah |
02:50:18 | linuxstb | In fact, it's a bit of a hack, so I'll leave it until another day... Time for sleep. |
02:50:27 | Mikachu | okay, good night |
02:50:40 | linuxstb | But I'll upload my patch if you want to try it |
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02:51:19 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/chopper-wheel.diff |
02:53:42 | Mikachu | heh |
02:53:51 | Mikachu | it's a bit confusing since it sometimes detects the finger from some distance |
02:56:43 | Mikachu | linuxstb: chopper.c appears to not have keywords set btw |
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05:37:33 | tchan | export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH |
05:37:33 | tchan | placement of the colon is critical |
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05:41:12 | mightybrick | tchan: That fixed it. Thank you! |
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05:49:07 | Vulcan | any x5 users here? |
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05:57:39 | Llorean | Vulcan: Did you have a specific question? |
05:57:45 | Vulcan | well |
05:57:50 | Vulcan | I'm thinking about buying an x5 |
05:57:53 | Vulcan | I know its old |
05:57:58 | Vulcan | but I want somethign different |
05:58:05 | Vulcan | I have a zune now |
05:58:17 | Vulcan | and I'm tired of being locked in if you know what i mean |
05:58:33 | Vulcan | anyway, my main question was how well is rockbox supported on the x5? |
05:59:12 | Llorean | Well, we don't support dual boot on that target (there's an unofficial patch though) and the USB-on the go, and WMA playback aren't supported. |
05:59:31 | Vulcan | none of those are really concerns |
05:59:59 | Llorean | Other than that it's a fairly solid target. |
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06:00:05 | Vulcan | hmm, what about the remote? |
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06:00:11 | Llorean | I'm curious what specifically about the X5 has attracted your attention. |
06:00:23 | Vulcan | well, it has quite the underground following |
06:00:25 | Vulcan | its proven |
06:00:30 | Vulcan | and I can get one for 150.00 new |
06:00:47 | Vulcan | its either that or one of the newer flash players |
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06:01:20 | Vulcan | other option is the Trekstor vibez |
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06:01:36 | Vulcan | I hate the design though |
06:01:49 | Vulcan | it kinda takes the wrost elements of several players and puts them together haha |
06:02:17 | Mouser_X | Vulcan: Have you heard of the Gigabeat F (or X)? I've got one running Rockbox, and I love it. |
06:02:40 | Vulcan | Mouser_X, I've always kinda stayed away fro mthe gigabeats |
06:02:46 | Vulcan | which one should I look at? |
06:03:05 | Mouser_X | I've got the F40 (40 GB drive). |
06:03:21 | Mouser_X | I've heard the X is nicer, but much more expensive, and harder to get. |
06:03:41 | Mouser_X | Also, any particular reason you avoid the Gigabeat? |
06:04:34 | Vulcan | eh, I've just just been told that they wern't that great |
06:04:51 | Vulcan | I wish the zune was more hackable at this point |
06:04:56 | Vulcan | the hardware itself is great |
06:05:03 | Vulcan | toshiba hardware I belive |
06:05:20 | Mouser_X | Currently, the Gigabeat is the most powerful unit supported by Rockbox. |
06:05:31 | Mouser_X | I can't think of any complaints of the hardware. |
06:05:38 | Mouser_X | I could be wrong, of course. |
06:06:35 | Vulcan | okay |
06:07:05 | Mouser_X | The software, people have complained about. But if you're running Rockbox, I don't see how that'd be an issue. |
06:07:07 | Vulcan | do you know of the speicifc differences between the f and x? |
06:07:13 | Vulcan | yes good point |
06:07:42 | Mouser_X | The X is smaller, sleeker, looks nicer, and has a larger screen (same resolution as the F, but larger in measurment). |
06:07:48 | Llorean | The X has a larger screen (by .2 inches) and less battery life. |
06:07:59 | Vulcan | okay |
06:08:05 | Vulcan | sounds like F is the way to go then |
06:08:15 | Llorean | At least, I hear it has less battery life. |
06:08:16 | Vulcan | whats the battery life with rockbox like? |
06:08:20 | Mouser_X | I could be wrong about the size, but I thought it was smaller. You can check the wiki. |
06:08:21 | Llorean | But the gigabeat has no FM radio, and no recording features. |
06:08:25 | Mouser_X | Battery life is great. |
06:08:29 | Mouser_X | I get 15+ hours. |
06:08:34 | Mouser_X | On one charge. |
06:08:35 | Vulcan | thats pretty solid |
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06:08:59 | Mouser_X | Some people have gotten 20 hours on one charge. |
06:09:10 | Vulcan | wow |
06:09:16 | Vulcan | impressive for a hdd basedp layer |
06:09:29 | Vulcan | I take it that rockbox is pretty well developed on it then? |
06:09:30 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
06:09:39 | Llorean | It's at about the same level as the X5 |
06:09:45 | Mouser_X | It doesn't happen much, but it is known to happen. |
06:09:46 | Llorean | The X5L can in theory get ~25 hours of battery life. |
06:09:59 | Llorean | And an H120 with a replaced battery can get 30ish |
06:10:22 | Mouser_X | You can replace the battery in the Gigabeat. |
06:10:30 | Vulcan | yeah.. H120 is going abit too far back in history for me haha |
06:10:34 | Mouser_X | Someone posted a link for it in #gigabeat. |
06:10:35 | Llorean | Mouser_X: But do they make higher capacity batteries? |
06:10:47 | Llorean | Vulcan: Is age the only reason you're against it? |
06:10:51 | Mouser_X | I heard that you get an hour or 2 extra. |
06:10:55 | Llorean | It's like, 3 or 4 years ago. Hardly 'history' |
06:11:00 | Vulcan | Llorean, its abit bulky to iirc |
06:11:04 | Vulcan | but maybe I'm mistaken |
06:11:06 | Mouser_X | So, not a major increase, but noticeable, depending. |
06:11:06 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Yeah, but I'm referring to upgrading from 1300mah to 2200mah. |
06:11:22 | Llorean | Vulcan: It's larger than an iPod, but it's a far sight smaller than the Archos. |
06:11:57 | Mouser_X | No, I don't think the capacity is that much higher. |
06:12:19 | Mouser_X | I don't know what the capacity of the original battery is, though. |
06:12:50 | Vulcan | wow |
06:12:57 | Vulcan | the toshibas can be had very very cheap |
06:13:20 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
06:13:25 | Mouser_X | So I've heard. |
06:13:52 | Llorean | The H120 is a little bit thicker than the Gigabeat, really. |
06:13:59 | Llorean | But width and height wise it's about the same. |
06:14:07 | Llorean | But it really depends on why you're buying one. |
06:14:12 | Vulcan | I'm having trouble even finding a 120 Llorean |
06:14:16 | Vulcan | theres one on ebay |
06:14:18 | Llorean | If you don't care about recording or fm radio, I'd suggest the Gigabeat over it anyway |
06:14:20 | Vulcan | well, more than one |
06:14:31 | Vulcan | I don't plan on using recording or radio |
06:14:35 | Vulcan | the remote is nice though |
06:15:02 | Mouser_X | Vulcan: The F40 comes with a remote. |
06:15:04 | Llorean | The gigabeat has a remote, though not one with a screen. |
06:15:10 | Mouser_X | That's true. |
06:15:12 | Vulcan | hmm |
06:15:36 | Mouser_X | I use the remote *far* more than I do the actual player... |
06:16:03 | Mouser_X | I just don't look at the screen hardly ever. |
06:16:12 | Vulcan | yeah I don't really need the screen |
06:16:17 | Vulcan | 90% of the time I'm using shuffle |
06:16:37 | Mouser_X | I've used shuffle Maybe 0.1% of the time... |
06:16:43 | Mouser_X | Probably less. |
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06:18:55 | Vulcan | how about syncing with the toshiba |
06:19:05 | Vulcan | if I'm usign rockbox does it just mount as a ums device? |
06:19:12 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
06:19:18 | Vulcan | great. |
06:19:23 | Mouser_X | Very. |
06:19:34 | Vulcan | I just need to find one now |
06:19:50 | Mouser_X | I couldn't *STAND* using the software it comes with to transfer music... |
06:19:59 | Mouser_X | Not that I ever used it. |
06:20:14 | * | Mouser_X has been running Rockbox since he got his Gigabeat. |
06:20:30 | Mouser_X | I've seen the original firmware for about 30 sec. total. |
06:20:39 | Vulcan | http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-TOSHIBA-GIGABEAT-F40-40GB-MOBILE-AUDIO-PLAYER-MP3_W0QQitemZ260087600842QQihZ016QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
06:20:43 | Vulcan | I'm looking at that one |
06:20:50 | Vulcan | should be able to get it for less than 100 I hope |
06:21:03 | Vulcan | maybe slightly over |
06:22:00 | Mouser_X | Looks good to me. |
06:22:15 | Mouser_X | You'll certainly be getting it cheaper than I got mine. |
06:22:36 | Mouser_X | I got mine off of overstock.com |
06:22:56 | Mouser_X | At the time, I couldn't find one on eBay. I wish I had looked harder... |
06:23:32 | Mouser_X | Even so, it was worth what I paid for it. |
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06:36:28 | Vulcan | Mouser_X, are you using a screen protector on yours? |
06:36:49 | Mouser_X | No. I'd like to though. |
06:38:16 | Vulcan | I think I'm going to go without |
06:38:43 | Vulcan | I didn't use one on my zune for the first two weeks and didn't have ap roblem |
06:38:47 | Mouser_X | Well, my work environement isn't the nicest when it comes to portables. |
06:39:13 | Mouser_X | I'm considering buying an entire case. |
06:39:38 | Mouser_X | I might even go ghetto budget, and build my own. |
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06:40:25 | Vulcan | hah |
06:40:35 | Vulcan | I'm excited |
06:40:48 | Mouser_X | :) |
06:40:48 | Vulcan | this is going to mean I have extra money left over when I sell the zune |
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06:40:56 | Mouser_X | Awesome. |
06:41:37 | Mouser_X | If this means anything to you, Rockboy (GB/C emulator in Rockbox) runs very near full speed on the Gigabeat. |
06:41:59 | Vulcan | thats cool |
06:42:08 | Mouser_X | In fact, with the FPS turned on, I've seen it go to 100 a few times (it usually sits around 60-70). |
06:42:11 | Vulcan | I used rockbox on an ipod nano for a long time |
06:42:21 | Vulcan | was decent |
06:42:30 | Vulcan | never really like the nano form factor |
06:42:38 | Vulcan | too thin and long |
06:42:41 | Vulcan | hard to hold |
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06:44:24 | Mouser_X | So, you shouldn't have any speed issues to worry about, regardless of the audio codec in question. |
06:44:25 | Mouser_X | NSF, SPC, and perhaps SID take a lot of CPU to have non-skippy playback. Though, I do believe they're all optimized enough that they play fullspeed on most (all?) targets. |
06:44:58 | Mouser_X | I've only seen the iPod. I've held a 5G once or twice... |
06:45:17 | Mouser_X | I think I've seen the nano, but it might have been a shuffle... |
06:45:28 | Mouser_X | Goes to show how much I know about iPods... |
06:45:32 | Vulcan | I'll most likely just be using VBR lame |
06:45:43 | Vulcan | shuffle has no screen ;) |
06:45:52 | Mouser_X | Which is also a good choice for a format. |
06:45:56 | Mouser_X | See? |
06:46:07 | Vulcan | possibly ogg.. |
06:46:17 | Vulcan | my plan is to just transcode from lossless on the fly |
06:46:20 | Vulcan | with mediamonkey |
06:46:24 | Vulcan | have you used it? |
06:46:45 | Mouser_X | I have about 6 CDs. |
06:46:54 | Mouser_X | Everything else I've downloaded. |
06:46:59 | Mouser_X | I collect video game music. |
06:47:00 | Vulcan | ah |
06:47:04 | Vulcan | thats cool |
06:47:14 | Mouser_X | To answer your question though, no, I haven't. |
06:47:20 | Vulcan | check it out some day |
06:47:22 | Vulcan | its a neat program |
06:47:43 | Llorean | safetydan: You around? |
06:47:47 | Mouser_X | I might. Someone else was talking about it earlier (though, I don't remember if it was on this channel, or elsewhere). |
06:47:59 | Mouser_X | playing: "Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - Chemical Plant Zone" [5kbps][44kHz][Stereo] |
06:48:05 | Mouser_X | Sonic is good stuff. |
06:48:09 | Vulcan | do you have anything from C&C |
06:48:20 | Mouser_X | Command and Conquer? |
06:48:22 | Vulcan | yes |
06:48:25 | Mouser_X | No, I don't think so. |
06:48:28 | Vulcan | ah okay |
06:48:37 | Vulcan | I'd love to get my hands on music from the series |
06:48:40 | Mouser_X | I could probably find something, but I doubt I have it on my drive. |
06:49:33 | Vulcan | no kidding about that x30 being hard to find |
06:49:52 | Vulcan | theres a red one on ebay for 379.00 and its theo nly one I see anywhere |
06:49:57 | JdGordon | the red alert music is great :) |
06:50:02 | JdGordon | hell march ftw |
06:50:04 | Vulcan | yeah it is |
06:50:15 | Vulcan | man that game is such a classic |
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06:50:24 | Mouser_X | JdGordon: I think I have that song. |
06:50:41 | safetydan | Llorean, yo |
06:50:42 | Vulcan | I remember getting up at 5am [and this was when I was about 8 or 9] and playign all day long |
06:50:51 | Mouser_X | Wow... |
06:51:12 | Vulcan | that was how I got to be such a geek haha |
06:51:19 | Mouser_X | Also, I've heard the X goes for $200-$400, depending on the model. |
06:51:44 | Mouser_X | Finding one for $200 though would be pretty darn cheap. |
06:51:47 | Vulcan | yeah.. times liek this I wish I had a good friend in japan |
06:51:58 | Mouser_X | Australia actually. |
06:52:00 | Vulcan | oh? |
06:52:14 | Mouser_X | I've heard that's where they had the longest run, and got the most support. |
06:52:26 | JdGordon | hahah http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8887.0 <- awesome |
06:52:29 | Mouser_X | Just hear-say though. |
06:52:31 | Llorean | safetydan: Just wanted to let you know, the problems I'm experiencing with noise in SPX files reproduce in the simulators just fine. |
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06:53:27 | Mouser_X | JdGordon: Heh, that is pretty funny. |
06:53:37 | Vulcan | what theme do you use on your Mouser_X ? |
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06:53:56 | Mouser_X | I wouldn't mind seeing a Gigabeat port, but I doubt I'd use it. I only go to the forums when someone links to them here... |
06:54:06 | Mouser_X | I use the pixel one. |
06:54:29 | safetydan | Llorean, okay. Try something for me in the sim. In apps/codecs/libspeex/config.h change "#define FIXED_POINT " to "#undef FIXED_POINT" and see if you can still reproduce the noise. |
06:54:51 | safetydan | actually, just comment out that line rather than changing it to #undef |
06:55:58 | Llorean | safetydan: I can't compile windows sims, I just downloaded rasher's. And I can't get sound to work in the VMWare image. =/ |
06:56:03 | Llorean | It hates me, drastically |
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06:57:12 | safetydan | ah darnit |
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06:57:38 | safetydan | Well it's unlikely to be that anyway. |
06:57:48 | safetydan | You'd hope the speex people test their fixed point decoder. |
06:57:56 | Llorean | D'you know what I need to set up to cross-compile a windows simulator? |
06:58:35 | JdGordon | Llorean: you dont have cygwin or colinux/vmware going? |
06:58:42 | Llorean | JdGordon: Just Vmware |
06:58:54 | JdGordon | hmm.. yeah i think only cygwin can compile it |
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06:59:20 | JdGordon | http://icculus.org/~dolson/sdl/ |
06:59:25 | Llorean | Alright then, I'm gonna go get cygwin, for a little while |
06:59:43 | JdGordon | su -c apt-get install mingw32 |
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07:00:01 | JdGordon | yeah, follow that link... seems to do what you need |
07:00:48 | Llorean | I'll try that |
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07:04:30 | illriginal | Hey guys, just lettin you know the latest update doesn't have the Rockbox logo, the black screen. |
07:05:52 | Llorean | What black screen? |
07:06:14 | illriginal | like the introduction kinda thing |
07:06:18 | illriginal | i forget the main name for it |
07:06:40 | illriginal | but for example, when windows starts up, it says windows xp with the blue bar runnin across the screen |
07:07:03 | Llorean | Yeah, but Rockbox doesn't normally have a black screen. |
07:07:09 | illriginal | the update i had before this latest one, it had a black screen that had that rockbox logo on it |
07:07:30 | Llorean | Were you using an official build? |
07:07:38 | illriginal | now it's a gray screen with a message reaading something about loading. |
07:07:38 | Llorean | And, which target are you using? |
07:08:07 | illriginal | I don't know if it's the official... i believe it was the more unstable build which i installed before this latest update. |
07:08:37 | illriginal | i dont know what you mean by target, im sorry. |
07:08:44 | Mouser_X | What system? |
07:08:51 | midkay | what device are you running rockbox on? |
07:08:53 | Mouser_X | iPod, Gigabeat, Archos? |
07:08:53 | illriginal | Gigabeat F series |
07:09:03 | Llorean | illriginal: Official builds are builds from the "Current Build" ling. |
07:09:09 | Llorean | link |
07:09:12 | illriginal | yeah it was the current build. |
07:09:16 | Llorean | If anyone else compiled your build than rockbox.org it's not an official one. |
07:09:28 | Llorean | The screen you must be referring to is the boot splash. |
07:09:34 | Llorean | is the .raw file still in your root? |
07:09:34 | illriginal | yes sir that's what it is. |
07:09:40 | illriginal | thank you, that's the name for it. |
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07:09:48 | illriginal | hm... i gotta check, hold on brb |
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07:10:24 | * | Mouser_X hasn't updated Rockbox on his Gigabeat since before SPC was commited... |
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07:11:52 | Mouser_X | HCS built a Rockbox for me that has MOD support. |
07:11:55 | Mouser_X | (And SPC support, of course.) |
07:11:59 | Mouser_X | I need to figure out how to do my own builds... |
07:12:03 | Mouser_X | With patches, of course. |
07:13:11 | illriginal | bootsplach.raw is in the filesystem |
07:13:24 | illriginal | /media/GIGABEAT |
07:14:15 | Mouser_X | Splach, or splash? |
07:14:20 | Mouser_X | Just checking. |
07:14:23 | illriginal | sorry splash. |
07:14:36 | illriginal | should it be in the gigabeatsystem folder |
07:14:37 | illriginal | ? |
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07:14:50 | Llorean | illriginal: I believe it belongs in the root. |
07:14:51 | Mouser_X | I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be in the root. |
07:15:00 | illriginal | hm... this it's correct. |
07:15:14 | Llorean | The root is just the drive, not in any folders... |
07:15:22 | illriginal | is there a link for the direct download of that bootsplash, maybe i should replace it? |
07:15:29 | illriginal | correct llorean |
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07:20:06 | midkay | anybody in here who understands how the framebuffer works in rockbox? |
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07:28:05 | illriginal | so Llorean, what do I do about the bootsplash, any ideas? |
07:32:26 | Llorean | illriginal: You're free to download it again, I suppose |
07:32:56 | illriginal | can i download just the bootsplash? or do I need to re-download the current build? |
07:34:26 | Vulc4n | redownload the entire build |
07:34:40 | illriginal | ok |
07:35:20 | Llorean | The bootsplash isn't included in the build. |
07:35:25 | Llorean | Vulc4n: Why on earth did you tell him to do that? |
07:35:55 | Vulc4n | its not? |
07:36:09 | Vulc4n | why does it change when I use a unofficial build? |
07:36:12 | Vulc4n | or did rather |
07:36:27 | Llorean | Vulc4n: Are you on Gigabeat? |
07:36:32 | Vulc4n | nope |
07:36:34 | Vulc4n | I had an ipod |
07:36:46 | Llorean | It works completely differently there. |
07:36:50 | Vulc4n | ah |
07:36:51 | Vulc4n | my mistake |
07:37:24 | Llorean | The gigabeat's bootloader loads a file from disk. |
07:37:29 | Llorean | It's included in the bootloader zip, not the build. |
07:38:42 | esp8 | hey ive got a gen 5 with video its a 30 gig you think i can put linux on it :) |
07:38:52 | illriginal | bootloader? ok |
07:38:56 | Llorean | This is #Rockbox. |
07:39:02 | Llorean | esp8: I think you're in the wrong channel |
07:39:31 | esp8 | no... i wanted to throw a new Os on my ipod... with a loader |
07:39:51 | Vulc4n | esp8, rockbox != linux |
07:39:53 | esp8 | i seen rockbox online |
07:40:42 | Llorean | Rockbox is not linux though, it's a completely different thing |
07:40:49 | esp8 | wanted to make sure my ipods version was compatible befor loading my mame rom collection back on to my pc :P |
07:41:00 | esp8 | oh... but still its a nice looking Os for my ipod |
07:41:09 | esp8 | alot more atractive then mac's crap :) |
07:41:28 | Llorean | esp8: The list of compatible devices is on the very front page of the site. |
07:41:49 | esp8 | ive been there read it all... not sure still if its compatible so i connected to this server |
07:42:04 | esp8 | even read the pdf about my ipod you have but still not sure :P |
07:42:45 | Vulc4n | as long as its not one of the 5.5g ipods it will be fine |
07:43:11 | Llorean | Even the 5.5G 30gb is fine |
07:43:23 | Llorean | The site explicitly says, very clearly, on the front page, exactly which players are supported |
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07:44:00 | Llorean | As far as iPods go, only the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation ones, and the 5.5G 80gb don't work among HD based ones. |
07:44:00 | dewdude | i have a 5.5G 30gb. works like a charm. |
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07:45:30 | Vulc4n | oh realy? |
07:45:38 | Vulc4n | I didn't realize the 30gb 5.5g worked |
07:45:44 | Llorean | Vulc4n: It's worked for a long time. |
07:46:06 | Vulc4n | whats the difference hardware wise that prevents the 80gig from working? |
07:46:23 | Vulc4n | I had always assumed thet it was identical to the 30gig minus the drive/case |
07:47:42 | Llorean | There's differences in the way the drive itself works, though I don't know them myself |
07:47:53 | Llorean | We know what the problem is, just the person with the knowledge to work on it hasn't got much time these days |
07:47:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: chopper uses floating point? ehummm.... |
07:48:36 | Vulc4n | ah |
07:51:08 | midkay | if i create a char[20] = "Hello!", char[0] = "H", char[1] = "e", etc? |
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07:53:57 | amiconn | Llorean: I think the simple solution could have been working by now (caching in the ata driver), but LinusN want's the ambitious one... |
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07:56:41 | Llorean | amiconn: Is there a real advantage to the ambitious one, such as 'catching future problems of this sort before they can happen'? |
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07:57:24 | Vulc4n | ugh, I wish someone would buy my zune... |
07:57:55 | amiconn | The ambitious one should be *a bit* faster (no extra level of caching), and it is cleaner |
07:58:03 | Llorean | Gotcha |
07:58:51 | amiconn | But I'm not sure whether it will end up clean and simple enough to not need extra ifdefs for low-ram targets |
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08:00:03 | impsy | hi is anyone here to help me :( |
08:01:08 | impsy | dont be shy now :P |
08:01:19 | Llorean | impsy: Ask your question, but you should always have a little patience. |
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08:02:32 | impsy | Well I was changing themes on my ipod rockbox firmware and it froze so i reset it, now rockbox has a theme where the text is white and the bg is white and i need exact instructions or something to browse to the theme menu and change it :( |
08:04:05 | Vulc4n | Llorean might no better, but I think I would just delete the .rockbox folder and isntall the latest build |
08:04:45 | midgey | resetting the settings is probably easier |
08:04:50 | Llorean | impsy: Just turn on the Hold switch after seeing the bootloader come up, to reset the settings |
08:05:04 | Vulc4n | ugh its been too long since I had my nane |
08:05:07 | Vulc4n | nano* |
08:05:15 | impsy | ah ok ill try that now hold on :) |
08:07:36 | impsy | thank you so much Llorean :) |
08:08:46 | impsy | Now i can get back to playing doom :P |
08:09:36 | JdGordon | midkay: yes, but iirc it wont compile on target... |
08:09:49 | midkay | JdGordon: ? |
08:09:57 | midkay | oh.. |
08:10:07 | midkay | my char question? |
08:10:35 | JdGordon | ye |
08:10:42 | impsy | Llorean: would you by any chance know how to set up the doom that comes with rockbox so that the scroll wheel turns my guy around when i use it? because i would use the left and right buttons to strafe side to side then |
08:10:52 | amiconn | JdGordon: Why shouldn't it? |
08:10:54 | midkay | JdGordon: gave up on that anyways :) |
08:11:21 | JdGordon | didnt we not have memcpy or something which stopped that from working? |
08:11:25 | Llorean | impsy: I believe that requires a patch |
08:11:30 | * | JdGordon is sure he remembers that failing ages ago :p |
08:11:34 | amiconn | Of course we have memcpy |
08:11:44 | JdGordon | we didnt have _something_... |
08:11:50 | impsy | Llorean: Is that available to download anywhere |
08:12:05 | Llorean | impsy: You have to be able to compile, and I don't know for certain if there's a patch for that. |
08:12:14 | JdGordon | aparently it does work... |
08:12:18 | amiconn | char[] = "blah" and char[20] = "blah" is standard C and of course works in rockbox |
08:12:37 | impsy | Llorean: aha exactly what I need http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5153 |
08:13:22 | JdGordon | i dunno... /me obviously going crazy |
08:13:50 | midkay | JdGordon: not that crazy, i tried something similar and got a memcpy error.. i removed the char and references to it, and it was fixed.. |
08:13:57 | midkay | not worth screwing with, i'm done with that. |
08:14:09 | pearldiver | this is just strange |
08:14:10 | pearldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6671 |
08:14:10 | JdGordon | yeah.. that... I knew I wasnt crazy :D |
08:14:37 | esp8 | hey guys i just finished installing rockbox on my ipod but it said when i rebooted it that it cant find the rockbox.ipod on my ipod... so it didn't load :( |
08:14:54 | JdGordon | pearldiver: WTF? |
08:14:56 | JdGordon | closed! |
08:14:56 | Llorean | esp8: You didn't follow the instructions in 2.2.2 exactly |
08:15:03 | pearldiver | JdGordon thats what i thought ha |
08:15:04 | impsy | How hard it is to install a patch? |
08:15:13 | BHSPitMonkey | impsy, pretty hard |
08:15:13 | Llorean | impsy: You have to be able to compile. |
08:15:21 | impsy | ugh :/ |
08:15:28 | BHSPitMonkey | Llorean, let's go with "impossible" |
08:15:29 | impsy | ill never beat doom on my ipod then :P |
08:15:40 | BHSPitMonkey | impsy, what's wrong with iDoom |
08:15:54 | impsy | its hard because i cant have the left and right to strae |
08:15:56 | impsy | *strafe |
08:16:07 | impsy | i need them to turn left and right |
08:16:11 | BHSPitMonkey | just change the setting |
08:16:17 | impsy | so how am i supposto dodge fireballs :[ |
08:16:28 | BHSPitMonkey | so that the scroll wheel is turn, and the << and >> buttons strafe |
08:16:29 | pearldiver | JdGordon like whats next, gigabeat as a videocard? |
08:16:37 | Llorean | impsy: Back up while turning. |
08:16:37 | BHSPitMonkey | or vice versa |
08:16:49 | impsy | The scroll wheel is a patch BHSPitMonke |
08:16:55 | Llorean | impsy: I played Doom for the first time without knowing of the existence of strafing. |
08:17:02 | impsy | haha |
08:17:05 | BHSPitMonkey | impsy, I've been talking about iDoom, not rockdoom |
08:17:10 | impsy | oh |
08:17:13 | impsy | i see |
08:17:39 | impsy | I recommend you guys to download Zdaemon for the PC and play Doom online, funnest ever |
08:18:00 | impsy | so about this compiling :P |
08:18:05 | impsy | is there a guide anywhere |
08:18:26 | BHSPitMonkey | google+rockbox.org |
08:18:28 | Llorean | There's the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. |
08:18:32 | impsy | k |
08:18:50 | Llorean | But honestly, I don't feel it's as "simple" as they say. I've been thinking of scrapping it for a while. |
08:18:57 | Llorean | I'm just too lazy |
08:19:05 | esp8 | okay so how do i get my ipod to scan with the ipodpatcher again? it wont detect... |
08:19:30 | Llorean | esp8: The part I pointed you at doesn't involve ipodpatcher at all.... |
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08:20:02 | esp8 | i know i got the rockbox software now but i cant find my ipod anymore... |
08:20:16 | esp8 | oh i got it now... reboot and goto disk mode |
08:20:18 | esp8 | nvm :_ |
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08:22:00 | midkay | amiconn: you know a lot about core rockbox.. can you tell me a bit about the framebuffer? |
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08:26:01 | amiconn | Well, it holds the frame data in the same (or easily converted −− X5) format as the lcd controller needs it |
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08:28:22 | midkay | amiconn: so you can take current framebuffer data and store it in a variable, and maybe bring it back for display later? how might one do this? |
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08:28:53 | amiconn | Yes you could, but why would you want that? |
08:29:25 | amiconn | It just needs memcpy'ing |
08:29:48 | midkay | amiconn: just something i'd like to play around with.. |
08:29:54 | amiconn | ...and of course you need the correct size. On the colour targets the framebuffer becomes quite big |
08:30:18 | midkay | amiconn: any instance you can point me to in the code that does this? or can you be a bit more specific about what must be done> |
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08:30:59 | amiconn | You just need an (unsigned) char array of the right size and then you can copy back & forth between framebuffer and this |
08:31:26 | midkay | how is the size determined? |
08:32:02 | amiconn | There is no global definition that tells you this size for use in a plugin, so you need to calculate it with the preprocessor depending on LCD_WIDTH, LCD_HEIGHT, LCD_DEPTH and LCD_PIXELFORMAT |
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08:32:54 | midkay | i'd think there must be some plugin that already does this.. |
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08:36:42 | * | MonkeyTamer is starting to wonder whether it would be ultimately worth it to get a gigabeat... |
08:36:57 | Llorean | Isn't it just LCD_WIDTH * LCD_HEIGHT * BPP (of the screen) / 8? |
08:38:05 | amiconn | Llorean: No it's not, because of the padding on some targets |
08:38:20 | Llorean | Ah |
08:39:21 | amiconn | Your formula would be correct if all <8 bpp targets would use all bits in every byte, but e.g. the minis do not |
08:39:21 | midkay | amiconn: can you give me the framebuffer-size formula? :) |
08:39:54 | amiconn | This is because the mini lcd is 138x110, and 138/4 leaves a remainder |
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08:40:18 | amiconn | (greyscale ipod lcds use horizontal bitpacking) |
08:40:35 | Llorean | What is LCD_PIXEL_FORMAT stored as? Does it need to be evaluated to something then? |
08:41:41 | amiconn | LCD_PIXELFORMAT is a collection of identifiers. For 16bpp there are 2 values (which don't influence framebuffer sizes at all), and for 1bpp and 2bpp there are also 2 values |
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08:44:55 | esp8 | well for rockbox working all is fine :) backed up my spare config and voila but now how could i get my tunes in my ipod under the mac settings? |
08:45:47 | midkay | amiconn: how do the identifiers influence 1bpp/2bpp lcds? |
08:47:19 | Llorean | esp8: What do you mean 'under the mac settings'? |
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08:48:07 | midkay | hmm... weren't we going to get rid of Snake months ago because Snake II can do everything it can and more? |
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08:49:50 | * | GodEater wishes for a flat earth where there are no such things as timezones |
08:49:52 | esp8 | well under my old ipod config i had 17 somodd gig's of songs... in those preset 0f 1f what ever folders... how do i get to listen to them? |
08:50:19 | GodEater | esp8: Section 4.2 of the manual |
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08:55:25 | * | MonkeyTamer wonders what price he could fetch for selling an ipod color... |
08:58:38 | MonkeyTamer | with all the mention of Gigabeats, I find it hard to even find a good reason to keep an ipod color these days |
08:59:10 | Llorean | I'm not really sure how much there is. |
08:59:15 | hcs | I have mine so I can test how rockbox runs an an iPod color :) |
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09:00:15 | MonkeyTamer | it runs ok, but there's just so little documentation overall that it seems like an easier fix would be to get a gigabeat |
09:00:44 | MonkeyTamer | especially when they cost so little on ebay |
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09:03:48 | GodEater | good news from toffe yesterday on the Gigabeat S huh ? |
09:04:11 | Llorean | GodEater: I'm not sure if it's really "good" or just "more" until I see what comes of it. |
09:04:29 | Llorean | Your link in your post is bad, btw |
09:04:34 | GodEater | oh |
09:04:49 | Llorean | Just a typo, I think |
09:05:23 | GodEater | left off the http:// |
09:05:29 | GodEater | it should be good now |
09:05:46 | GodEater | I'm impressed he managed to hook up the console port on it - that man must be a genius with a soldering iron ;) |
09:06:27 | GodEater | I've been paying attention to the port of linux for the iPaq h4150 for a while now, and so that WinCE boot sequence looks very familiar to me (no pun intended) |
09:06:53 | GodEater | so if anyone would have info on how to get the hardware booting into something else - I'd imagine it's those guys |
09:07:11 | Llorean | I really wish the Linux port for my old HP PDA had ever gotten finished |
09:07:35 | GodEater | which one did you have ? |
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09:08:17 | Llorean | HP Jornada 565 |
09:08:59 | GodEater | the 4150 port seems to be coming along - but it seems to take a lot longer than a rockbox port does usually. I hope that's not an omen for the Gigabeat S / Zune |
09:09:51 | Llorean | The 565 is a rather ancient PDA but it actually had a really nice looking screen and form factor, and worked really well for me for several years. |
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09:11:06 | amiconn | midkay: I'll make it easier to use the fb size in plugins with some slight changes in lcd.h (and lcd-remote.h) |
09:11:12 | GodEater | the 4150 is about perfect for me :) |
09:11:34 | midkay | amiconn: cool, is that something you'll work on soon? |
09:11:49 | amiconn | The fb size will then simply be LCD_FBWIDTH*LCD_FBHEIGHT*sizeof(fb_data) |
09:12:22 | midkay | cool, easy enough :) |
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09:12:41 | amiconn | Of course you can make your copy an fb_data array, then it becomes fb_data fb_copy[LCD_FBWIDTH*LCD_FBHEIGHT]; |
09:13:06 | amiconn | ...and the memcpy calls can use sizeof(fb_copy) |
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09:16:03 | midkay | amiconn: sounds pretty simple, but i don't know how to use memcpy, nor what fb_data is. :) |
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09:16:20 | webguest42 | hello i was wondering if it would be posible to get a menotrome on rockbox like on here. http://www.metronomeonline.com/ |
09:16:39 | webguest42 | ? |
09:16:45 | Llorean | webguest42: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMetronome |
09:17:00 | webguest42 | thankyou so much. |
09:17:39 | webguest42 | is there any other guitar plugin like that? |
09:19:05 | amiconn | midkay: fb_data is the datatype of the framebuffer array. unsigned char for mono & greyscale targets, unsigned short for 16-bit colour targets |
09:20:59 | midkay | amiconn: got it.. |
09:21:34 | webguest42 | Llorean would a guitar tuner be possible on the sansa e200 |
09:23:09 | crwl | a guitar tuner in rockbox would be seriously cool |
09:23:11 | Llorean | webguest42: Dunno, I don't know what you'd need for one. |
09:25:09 | webguest42 | to tune your guitar |
09:25:26 | GodEater | does the sansa have a line-in / mic ? |
09:25:37 | webguest42 | yer it has a mic |
09:25:51 | midkay | amiconn: this plugin/framebuffer simplification - expecting it to be committed soon? |
09:25:51 | webguest42 | thats why i thought it could work |
09:26:10 | GodEater | probably could then - you'd just need to write a plugin |
09:26:29 | webguest42 | awsome |
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09:31:53 | safetydan | a guitar tuner plugin has been suggested many times |
09:32:01 | safetydan | no one's actually stepped up and written anything though |
09:33:18 | * | petur would like one, too but misses the time to look into it |
09:34:15 | crwl | there's quite a lot of open-source tuner software around, I use Lingot myself, too bad it's written in C++ |
09:35:04 | crwl | it's the best I've found so far, some tools didn't automatically figure out what string one's trying to tune, for example... |
09:36:03 | petur | it should at least be able to do that and support both bass and normal guitar |
09:37:17 | LinusN | problem is that many guitar tuner softwares are designed to run on a fast pentium |
09:37:24 | LinusN | with floating point |
09:37:46 | LinusN | there are a few ones that look quite portable though |
09:38:03 | * | B4gder got a mail from a father of a 12-year-old who installed Rockbox on his Sansa and, well can't get stuff to work anymore |
09:38:23 | LinusN | but it's like with any other idea, someone has to actually work on it |
09:38:36 | LinusN | B4gder: ouch |
09:38:52 | B4gder | maybe we should add "ask a parent" to the install page? ;-) |
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09:39:57 | petur | tuner with fixed point: http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com/2006/08/tuner-tool-for-nokia-770.html |
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09:47:03 | safetydan | petur, interestingly enough I think the FFT that uses is already in Rockbox under libspeex |
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10:11:09 | JdGordon | has anyone got an old .cfg file from before the config block removal? |
10:11:51 | bluebrother | sure. |
10:12:01 | bluebrother | exported cfg files that is. |
10:12:25 | JdGordon | can you paste the value of the "scroll delay" setting please? |
10:13:06 | bluebrother | scroll delay: 100 |
10:13:25 | bluebrother | # .cfg file created by rockbox 061106-2222 |
10:13:37 | JdGordon | ok ta |
10:13:47 | bluebrother | on a h120 |
10:13:50 | JdGordon | :( thats the default value, so not as helpful as I hoped :( |
10:14:49 | JdGordon | haha bloody helll. I made a new file with a really long name to test the scroll delay. without trying I made it exactly long enough for the h300 :p |
10:15:15 | midkay | to fit the LCD width? |
10:15:57 | JdGordon | yeah |
10:16:13 | JdGordon | so, 1 char longer or it didnt need to scroll |
10:16:27 | midkay | i always knew the force was strong with you. |
10:16:28 | LinusN | JdGordon: the scroll_delay setting is multiplied by HZ/10 |
10:17:21 | LinusN | remove that and it should work just fine |
10:18:02 | JdGordon | not fix the actual problem? I think the its just I have 10 where 100 should be and vice verca |
10:18:34 | LinusN | void lcd_scroll_delay(int ms) |
10:18:52 | LinusN | the setting should thus be in milliseconds |
10:19:09 | JdGordon | * HZ/10 is just to keep the int smaller for the old config block then? |
10:19:17 | LinusN | yes |
10:19:49 | JdGordon | AH, ok, I can save a few bytes then by fixing this setting :) |
10:19:57 | LinusN | weeee! |
10:20:33 | JdGordon | :D |
10:21:23 | hcs | teacher says every time a byte's saved, an angel gets its wings |
10:22:11 | amiconn | petur: I checked windows' behaviour wrt fat shortname generation |
10:22:36 | amiconn | Windows 9x does exactly what's described in the fat specs, but xp does it different |
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10:24:02 | bluebrother | wxp doesn't comply to the fat specs? |
10:24:45 | amiconn | I guess it's some more davanced spec that isn't public |
10:25:05 | bluebrother | ah. Just was quite surprised ... |
10:25:24 | JdGordon | or they didnt bother supporting it anymore? |
10:25:46 | amiconn | I think the actual numerictail algorithm isn't that much important, the main point is imho the usage of ~ in the shortname, which is quite uncommon in a normal filename |
10:26:02 | bluebrother | Microsoft? They are downwards compatible to almost everything. Including hell :) |
10:26:35 | amiconn | Otherwise the generated shortname might easily collide with a later longname which is mapped 1:1 |
10:26:46 | amiconn | ...as observed with our driver |
10:27:46 | JdGordon | HZ is 100 isnt it? |
10:28:10 | LinusN | yes |
10:28:14 | petur | amiconn: I have adapted the randomize code, must just test a bit more |
10:28:41 | petur | also, I randomize the shortname if required as per spec |
10:29:35 | amiconn | Yes, and we should also use the ~ |
10:29:51 | petur | yes, new code does that |
10:30:12 | petur | and randomize tries to find the ~ to inc the number |
10:31:34 | petur | I've put it in a little dos program to test and not corrupt my fat (also tests much faster ;) ) |
10:32:16 | LinusN | i have been thinking about adding support for disk images with the simulator |
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10:32:38 | JdGordon | LinusN: I was thinking similar, but a root path instead of an image |
10:33:10 | LinusN | the point of an image would be to be able to better work on and debug the rockbox fat driver |
10:33:31 | LinusN | a root path won't help in that case |
10:33:46 | JdGordon | no :p |
10:33:49 | hcs | I just use symlinks to point it at another root path, anyway |
10:34:11 | JdGordon | I was getting anoyed with having to create my symlink to my music every time I make a new build dir |
10:35:25 | B4gder | JdGordon: write a script |
10:35:30 | B4gder | :-) |
10:36:01 | B4gder | guys, it seems we might have a clueful Sansa R model owner. We might have an extracted bootloader |
10:36:22 | B4gder | which then very well might give us the crypto key |
10:36:38 | amiconn | midkay: Probably tonight (CET) |
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10:37:40 | midkay | amiconn: cool, then i can bug you about how to use it :) |
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10:43:52 | jhMikeS | hcs: I've got echo going on coldfire in the spc codec. Did you want to have look before a commit? (iiuc you wanted to check things first) |
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10:45:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I think I remember you asking the other day for any settings where the order is reversed - the sleep timer looks like one of those cases - it starts with 5 hours and goes down to OFF. |
10:47:02 | PaulJam | wasn't it always the case that you have to press up to increase the sleep timer? |
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10:47:35 | linuxstb | I don't know, but with the settings as a list, it seems the wrong way round now IMO. |
10:50:00 | hcs | jhMikeS: cool, go ahead and commit it if it's full speed |
10:50:28 | * | petur curses workload |
10:50:29 | jhMikeS | 78% boost on the worst of UW2 |
10:51:08 | hcs | wow |
10:51:09 | jhMikeS | I think there's more to be had by far but it's workable |
10:51:29 | hcs | impressive, so are these only coldfire optimizations? |
10:52:17 | jhMikeS | There was one thing I did and that was subtract 8 from global_muting and remove the (1 << 8) wich give the same output |
10:52:36 | jhMikeS | and remove the clipping that the dsp will do for it |
10:52:45 | hcs | ok |
10:53:18 | jhMikeS | otherwise I stayed pretty clear of arm since I can't test |
10:56:13 | hcs | cool, I'll see if/how much it improves on arm |
10:57:44 | jhMikeS | might be worth a bit since it improved cd a few %. i don't think it'll hurt it at the least |
10:58:26 | hcs | for now I'd leave echo disabled in the source (for arm) |
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11:01:29 | jhMikeS | I only enabled it for cf :) |
11:01:35 | hcs | good |
11:03:29 | hcs | I'm going to have to get some sleep, I'll check it out tomorrow |
11:03:33 | jhMikeS | I think I used up every possible emac unit feature :p |
11:03:36 | jhMikeS | 'night |
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11:20:39 | LinusN | amiconn: there? |
11:23:08 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ok, ta, ill fix that |
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11:25:22 | amiconn | LinusN: sort of |
11:25:41 | LinusN | i was thinking about -ffunction-sections |
11:25:58 | LinusN | how well does it work combined with linker relaxation? |
11:26:13 | LinusN | i need to trim the bootloader |
11:26:46 | LinusN | i think i have two options: 1) use #ifndef BOOTLOADER in the firmware code, or 2) use linker relaxation |
11:27:01 | amiconn | Afaik we already do that for the firmware library in case of bootloader builds |
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11:27:11 | amiconn | At least for bootbox |
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11:27:26 | LinusN | hmmm |
11:28:17 | amiconn | Check the .map of a bootloader build... |
11:28:39 | LinusN | maybe i should do that for the h-series loaders too |
11:28:42 | JdGordon | linuxstb: sleep timer has always been 5h at the top... do we really want to change that? |
11:28:58 | tick | Hm. I wanted to create a patch for HAVE_ vs. CONFIG_ but someone seems to habe been faster than I and "stole" my idea (FS #6674) :-/ |
11:29:34 | amiconn | JdGordon: Really always, even before list settings? |
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11:30:37 | JdGordon | ok, maybe not that long ago... |
11:32:32 | amiconn | Iirc some lists are still the wrong order |
11:32:47 | amiconn | Don't remember which ones, need to check |
11:33:37 | JdGordon | sleep timer fixed |
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11:43:52 | amiconn | LinusN: For other bootloaders we don't use sectioned compilation atm; check configure lines 1264 and 1268 |
11:43:55 | LinusN | amiconn: works a treat! shrunk it by 20k |
11:44:43 | LinusN | i guess we don't want to do it on arm, because of the longcall issue? |
11:44:44 | amiconn | Ah |
11:44:58 | * | amiconn just wanted to point to the linker garbage collection thing |
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11:45:09 | amiconn | Why not? |
11:45:43 | amiconn | Should work on arm as well; we don't want it for main rockbox because the sections make the binary larger because of the extra padding and more long calls |
11:45:44 | LinusN | i was under the impression that it always did long calls when using function-sections, and that it was a bad thing |
11:46:12 | LinusN | i'm no arm ninja, though |
11:46:32 | amiconn | Always using long calls means larger binary, but for the bootloaders this might be already compensated for by the dropped code |
11:46:40 | LinusN | i see |
11:47:18 | amiconn | And if we do the rework and properly mark all iram functions long call (argh, with one exception - the iFP), then even function sections won't cause everything to be long call anymore |
11:47:24 | amiconn | (-mlong-call will go) |
11:49:00 | LinusN | aha |
11:49:19 | LinusN | btw, how about moving the lds files to the target tree? |
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11:53:20 | amiconn | Might be useful |
11:53:32 | amiconn | Btw, did you also use data sections, as for bootbox? |
11:54:41 | LinusN | yes |
11:56:49 | amiconn | -20k isn't bad, almost 1/3 of the whole thing... |
11:57:09 | LinusN | indeed |
11:57:51 | LinusN | it was more like 18k, but anyway |
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13:03:41 | preglow | the manual says that alarm mode should be used together with auto-resume on, but the code seems to automatically resume if alarm is detected. how does it actually work on archos+ |
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13:14:46 | LinusN | preglow: it is supposed to work like the manual says, but maybe things have changed |
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13:19:40 | preglow | LinusN: it also says that the unit should shut down when you set the alarm, but i don't see the code for that |
13:20:00 | LinusN | that has changed since then, i believe |
13:20:14 | preglow | also, it seems like the bootloader reads the pcf int regs, so i don't think i can tell if an alarm has been triggered on ipod :/ |
13:20:34 | preglow | well, it would be nice if someone with an archos found out how it works and updated the manual |
13:20:40 | LinusN | sure |
13:21:00 | preglow | and anyway, if the bootloader does clear the regs, it'll have to behave differently on pcf targets anyway |
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13:21:13 | LinusN | yes |
13:21:23 | preglow | i don't exactly feel like digging around the bootloader code to see if it signals that it found the alarm bit set in some way |
13:21:55 | preglow | i haven't exactly ruled out that i'm being the fool in some way yet either :) |
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13:22:31 | LinusN | neither have we :-) |
13:24:49 | LinusN | preglow: it does not seem to turn off when you have set the time |
13:25:36 | desowin | is songdb.pl working ? |
13:25:37 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Maybe you could compare the current time with the last set alarm time, to see if we have passed the alarm time. If that's the case, then we would know the wakeup has been caused by the alarm (unless the user has broken things by starting the Apple firmware). |
13:26:44 | B4gder | desowin: I think it is supposed to |
13:26:46 | Mikachu | you could check if it's within 5 minutes or so? |
13:26:53 | preglow | linuxstb_: nice idea, i'll just check the alarm time and see if it's close |
13:27:23 | desowin | B4gder: yes, but I can't get it to work propertly, it crates database, but rockbox don't use it |
13:27:36 | Mikachu | is this for when you have speakers hooked up, or are you going to go beep-beep with the piezo? : |
13:27:46 | preglow | i'll just read back the address time from the regs and compare, if they're the same, then it HAS to be an alarm anyway |
13:28:02 | preglow | unless the wakeup on alarm flag wasn't set anyway... |
13:28:39 | B4gder | desowin: debug time! ;-) |
13:29:20 | LinusN | preglow: the archos does not autoresume on alarm |
13:29:36 | amiconn | preglow: Alarm on archos can only be tested on fm/v2, and v1 with mod - I only have a v1 without the mod |
13:29:47 | desowin | hasn't database format changed since last songdb.pl update ? |
13:29:51 | * | LinusN just tried it on his fmrec |
13:29:58 | B4gder | desowin: quite possibly |
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13:45:18 | LinusN | we should make buildzip.pl a little more intelligent |
13:45:30 | LinusN | it adds the .eq files to the archos zip |
13:45:41 | preglow | haha, ouch |
13:45:41 | LinusN | the eq .cfg-files i mean |
13:47:32 | amiconn | I reported that multiple times.... |
13:47:42 | amiconn | It also adds an (empty) backdrops folder |
13:49:32 | petur | bleh... my h340 froze :( |
13:50:51 | amiconn | The backdrops folder needs to depend on LCD_DEPTH > 1 |
13:51:07 | preglow | jhMikeS: something is definitely wrong with your spc commit |
13:51:13 | preglow | i think the echo is broken |
13:51:17 | LinusN | amiconn: buildzip.pl has no knowledge of those defines |
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13:51:31 | B4gder | LinusN: it does get some of them |
13:51:44 | B4gder | there's some magic gcc trickery for that |
13:51:50 | B4gder | afair |
13:52:15 | preglow | jhMikeS: and i just had to use the reset button again |
13:54:33 | JdGordon | does anyone know what gets put on the buffer atm? Is it just the encoded audio? or is it the actual file? |
13:55:15 | preglow | depends on how much the loader leaves out, i think |
13:55:35 | preglow | hmm, or no, i just realise i don't know |
13:55:51 | LinusN | the loader attempts to leave out the metadata |
13:56:17 | LinusN | leaving the encoded audio alone |
13:56:27 | LinusN | iirc |
13:57:03 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: I think that's only for MP3, for other codecs I'm pretty sure the whole file is buffered. |
13:57:09 | LinusN | oh |
13:57:40 | JdGordon | and what happens if the file doesnt fit in the buffer? It buffers what it can and store the poisiotn in the file? |
13:57:52 | linuxstb_ | Some codecs need information from the header which isn't in the mp3entry struct. |
13:58:12 | LinusN | JdGordon: it loads as much as possible and remembers the file position |
13:58:19 | JdGordon | ok |
13:58:59 | LinusN | "remember", as in keeping the file open |
13:59:05 | jhMikeS | preglow: I did make a booboo wrapping the buffer but I 've had no freezes from it. Gonna fix that one and then recheck. |
13:59:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: the delay sounds faaar smaller than it should be too me, in places |
13:59:31 | JdGordon | is there any information kept in the buffer? or all in various globals? |
13:59:38 | preglow | it might not be that, but some of the tracks are definitely not sounding right |
13:59:57 | preglow | s/too/to/ |
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14:00:01 | LinusN | JdGordon: all in globals |
14:00:06 | JdGordon | ok |
14:00:07 | jhMikeS | preglow: that's the booboo |
14:00:17 | LinusN | boo! |
14:00:23 | jhMikeS | ahhh! |
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14:06:25 | jhMikeS | preglow: fix up |
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14:09:11 | pondlife | petur: When your H340 crashed, do you recall if it was displaying any scrolling text, or if there was any display corruption? |
14:09:24 | * | pondlife arrives hours after the event, again. |
14:09:50 | Sikkan | Hm, I have a Sansa. Do I understand it right that you can change backdrop directly in the firmware? |
14:09:58 | Sikkan | If that is the case... how? |
14:10:04 | B4gder | Sikkan: in Rockbox, yes |
14:10:16 | Sikkan | yes, in rockbox |
14:10:23 | Sikkan | how? |
14:10:37 | B4gder | first make sure you have a bmp using the size of your LCD |
14:10:42 | Sikkan | done |
14:10:47 | B4gder | then browse to it and use "open with" on it |
14:11:01 | B4gder | I can't remember what key |
14:11:16 | Sikkan | hm, ok.. I'll try myself forward then... thanx |
14:11:31 | B4gder | "To use an image as a backdrop browse to it in the File Browser and open the File Menu (see section 4.1.2) on it and select the option Set As Backdrop. " |
14:11:35 | preglow | jhMikeS: will test now |
14:13:42 | preglow | i think my h120 is starting to feel a bit old :/ |
14:14:09 | jhMikeS | how come? |
14:15:07 | jhMikeS | is it complaining of arthritis? |
14:15:16 | preglow | it just feels a bit quirky |
14:15:22 | preglow | jhMikeS: sounds right again now |
14:16:50 | jhMikeS | that's why I test stuff awhile even after a commit...that's when I always catch that one thing :p |
14:17:15 | preglow | it's not exactly a speed monster yet, but it's definitely going places nwo |
14:18:32 | jhMikeS | did you try the pure c echo is comparision? heh |
14:18:50 | preglow | talking about the codec as a whole |
14:19:14 | jhMikeS | true. it's probably got some quantum leaps hidden away. |
14:19:28 | preglow | this h120 is definitely starting to look like a veteran |
14:19:37 | LinusN | preglow: but a trusty old one |
14:19:40 | preglow | despite the fact that i've kept it in itscarrying thing all the time |
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14:19:44 | preglow | LinusN: oh yes |
14:19:56 | * | jhMikeS needs to put a paperclip hole in the thing |
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14:20:18 | preglow | paint scratched off here and there at the sides,plastic at both side screws is cracked |
14:20:22 | preglow | serial number is all but unreadable |
14:20:42 | preglow | not that i'll be needing it |
14:20:52 | jhMikeS | my x5 serial number was rubbed off and Cowon was gerous enough to put a new one on :) |
14:21:04 | B4gder | haha |
14:21:06 | jhMikeS | s/gerous/generous |
14:21:27 | pondlife | Did you get a new hard disk with that serial no.? |
14:22:07 | * | preglow wants metadata on buffer |
14:22:12 | jhMikeS | I took a scan of the inside before I sent it back...will be able to verify :) |
14:22:17 | preglow | 32 spc files takes exactly this much space -><- |
14:22:28 | JdGordon | haha |
14:22:54 | * | pondlife wants metadata on buffer NOW |
14:22:55 | preglow | jhMikeS: the echos sound like the fir coefs usually aren't used, perhaps there's an optimisation there |
14:23:06 | petur | pondlife: I had just pressed select on a song and put it away (it's attached to wireless headphones), and wondered why it didn't play. The lcd/backlight was off and only reset helped |
14:23:21 | preglow | then again, that's not always easy to hear |
14:23:22 | pondlife | OK, just wondered as mine crashed twice yesterday |
14:23:23 | petur | so I didn't see what happened |
14:23:34 | pondlife | It was in the cradle so backlight was on. |
14:23:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: what do you mean...I don't have enough experience know know the sound of unused coefficient |
14:23:56 | jhMikeS | to know even |
14:24:02 | pondlife | Both times I had a part-scrolled line, which in the past indicated an LCD timing issue IIRC |
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14:24:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: if the coefs aren't used you should be hearing unfiltered feedback, and i think i hear that |
14:24:35 | preglow | the feedback isn't altered at all, it's just a pure delay copy |
14:24:49 | preglow | in which case a ton of muls don't need doing |
14:25:05 | petur | pondlife: when selecting that song again, nothing on the wps needs scrolling |
14:25:11 | preglow | then again, it might just be the soundtracks i'm listening to... |
14:25:28 | jhMikeS | some sound rather smooth and reverby that I have |
14:25:32 | pondlife | petur: Yep, so not related to my problem. |
14:25:59 | * | petur congratulates JdGordon |
14:26:14 | JdGordon | ? |
14:26:23 | petur | check your mail |
14:26:31 | JdGordon | ah.. :) |
14:27:27 | preglow | bah, another spc lockup |
14:27:32 | preglow | this time also at exactly 4 seconds |
14:27:45 | * | jhMikeS isn't having any lockups at all |
14:28:33 | jhMikeS | ...on two different devices at that |
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14:31:39 | preglow | don't think my h120 has too much custom in its build now |
14:31:46 | preglow | just the sw tone controls thing and that wasn't running |
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14:33:03 | jhMikeS | preglow: what are those intended for? I can image the bass boost from the eq, hw tone and sw tone controls all maxed. :P |
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14:33:45 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Some of our players have no, or nearly useless, bass/treble controls |
14:33:47 | * | Mikachu imagines heavily distorted sounds |
14:34:36 | Llorean | And apparently the sw tone controls take less processing power than achieving the same thing with the SW EQ. |
14:35:09 | jhMikeS | Llorean: well, I know the x5 fits that |
14:36:05 | jhMikeS | Would be kind of an odd thing to include on the H120 by default though |
14:36:14 | Llorean | But I do imagine people enabling them on targets we already have adequate ones (if they aren't just enabled as SW Bass and SW Treble on them anyway) and setting Bass, SWBass, and Low shelf all quite hight. |
14:36:15 | amiconn | Yes, and some ipods too (e.g. minis) |
14:36:44 | amiconn | Llorean: The sw tone controls are only for targets which don't have the hw controls |
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14:36:50 | Llorean | amiconn: Good |
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14:36:58 | preglow | you can also use for targets with poor ones, like h120 |
14:36:59 | preglow | which can't cut |
14:41:21 | jhMikeS | filters filters everywhere |
14:43:55 | preglow | oh, indeed |
14:43:57 | preglow | lovely filters |
14:44:21 | jhMikeS | Actraiser sounds like it uses the fir filter more thoroughly :\ |
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14:47:38 | preglow | oh yes, some games do, i'm just wondering if so many don't that it might be good to check for it |
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14:54:45 | preglow | LinusN: wouldn't tree.c line 490 suggest that always autoresuming on alarm is to be done? |
14:56:07 | jhMikeS | well, feedback is checked for so perhaps at the least if the echo volume is zero or all coeffs are zero otherwise I don't wish to intrude too much. |
14:56:43 | preglow | all coefs but the first one will be zero for a staright feedack echo |
14:56:50 | preglow | probably not critical |
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15:01:49 | amiconn | preglow: In fact it wouldn't make _that_ much sense to make the alarm always auto-resume |
15:01:51 | jhMikeS | right, but I'm not sure I want too much logic...the mult is faster than tests and branches |
15:02:11 | preglow | amiconn: perhaps not, i just can't imagine why i'd not want it |
15:02:30 | preglow | jhMikeS: combine with the memory fetches and it might not be very true anymore |
15:02:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: but anyway, more speed can probably be gotten elsewhere |
15:04:56 | Llorean | Can't we make it start up on the FM Screen or the Recording screen, with Root menu? In either of those cases, trying to resume playback on startup doesn't seem necessary or ideal. |
15:06:42 | preglow | well, why'd you want alarm to wake you up there? |
15:06:51 | preglow | that is, i can see why you'd want it to wake up in fm mode |
15:07:06 | Llorean | Well, we don't have a wake-up-and-record yet, do we? |
15:07:08 | petur | timed recordings? see forum ;) |
15:07:20 | Llorean | petur: Timed recordings require leaving the unit on, though. |
15:07:25 | preglow | would be nice, but anyway, the point is i don't see why it should wake up and just sit there |
15:07:45 | Llorean | I thought there was an option to start recording immediately open entering the recording screen? |
15:07:51 | Llorean | I don't use the feature much, so I'm probably wrong... |
15:08:14 | Llorean | 'the feature' being recording in general |
15:09:09 | jhMikeS | preglow: not alot has been done on the cpu side |
15:09:35 | petur | why not make it generic? be able select what screen to start in (wps/fm/rec) and have it start whatever it should start there |
15:09:48 | preglow | petur: that would be perfect |
15:09:55 | Llorean | Well starting in "WPS" is resuming playback, isn't it? |
15:09:59 | petur | yes |
15:10:07 | preglow | petur: again, the only thing i don't see the meaning of is alarm just resulting in the unit twiddling its thumbs |
15:10:24 | preglow | so setting the alarm might just as well imply that the default action is to be taken upon wakeup |
15:10:24 | Llorean | Yeah, that should be avoided. |
15:10:37 | petur | that's why I said wps/fm/rec ;) |
15:10:52 | Llorean | If you've set a 'menu' as your startup screen, it should go to WPS on alarm then. |
15:11:58 | pearldiver | new lcd clock is great ha |
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15:16:36 | * | jhMikeS has these spc's that try to play the spc700 like it's a sid chip. lol |
15:17:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: and yeah, i wonder how much action the spc actually sees |
15:17:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: afaik, it really just rells the dsp to do the really dirty work |
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15:22:53 | jhMikeS | preglow: it still has to run out it's cycles. I don't think it's a small part. I wonder if it does a lot of waiting in loops on a timer. |
15:23:38 | jhMikeS | not that I know how the key events are really scheduled for sure |
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15:37:41 | LinusN | preglow: yes, it looks like it should resume on alarm, looks like a bug then |
15:38:19 | preglow | yeah |
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15:56:15 | pondlife | The wiki reckons I should be able to setup Cygwin from http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ |
15:56:45 | pondlife | But Cygwin reckons not: "Unable to get setup.ini from <http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/>" |
15:58:08 | B4gder | you can only get some packages from there |
15:58:10 | bluebrother | pondlife: checked if there is a proxy making trouble? It worked when I tried last time, but I had proxy problems |
15:58:35 | pondlife | I don't think I've got any proxy at my ISP. |
15:59:25 | pondlife | Anywhere else I can get the patched arm-elf-gcc? |
15:59:31 | pondlife | ie. 4.0.3 |
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16:00:38 | pondlife | Currently I get: "Using sh-elf-gcc 3.3.6 (303) WARNING: Consider upgrading your compiler to the 4.0.X series!" i.e. Stone-age |
16:00:52 | petur | build it using the rockboxdev.sh? |
16:01:36 | pondlife | Is there a wiki page to explain what that does? |
16:01:54 | bluebrother | rockboxdev.sh? I don't think so |
16:02:01 | B4gder | it just builds the selected crosscompiler, not much to explain |
16:02:12 | B4gder | the manual procedure is documented though |
16:02:59 | bluebrother | it's quite straightforward configure && make && make install with a couple of options passed to configure |
16:03:07 | pondlife | I just get command not found errors |
16:03:22 | pondlife | I'm in rockbox/tools. |
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16:04:00 | B4gder | run it with "sh -x rockboxdev.sh" perhaps to see what line of the srcipt that fails |
16:04:25 | pondlife | : command not found 2: |
16:04:25 | pondlife | + dlwhere=$'/home/Steve/tmp\r' |
16:04:50 | B4gder | hm, is that a line ending problem? |
16:06:17 | pondlife | Aha |
16:06:23 | pondlife | dos2unix is my friend |
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16:08:15 | desowin | petur: where would you place progressbar in qtscrobbler ? |
16:08:48 | petur | pop up a messagebox? |
16:09:08 | desowin | little crazy idea IMO |
16:09:08 | petur | even just a count (like 4 of 20) would be ok |
16:09:17 | B4gder | barrywardell: red |
16:09:30 | desowin | it does 10 submission at once ... |
16:09:30 | barrywardell | i know. working on fixing it now |
16:09:36 | B4gder | ok, just making sure |
16:11:23 | barrywardell | thanks anyway |
16:11:55 | B4gder | I got a private mail from someone who was able to extract the BL from a sansa R model |
16:12:08 | B4gder | we might be close to a break-through there |
16:13:32 | pondlife | Hmm, rockboxdev.sh gave an error "gmake: Command not found." but has since continued to curl lots of stuff. Is it likely to succeed? |
16:13:38 | XavierGr | preglow, jhMikeS: today I noticed something strange on spc too (with a build after the echo commit) |
16:13:53 | B4gder | pondlife: yes I think it is |
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16:14:13 | XavierGr | preglow, jhMikeS: although I am not really sure I think that some notes were played back like staccato instead of having the proper echo |
16:14:37 | preglow | XavierGr: before or after the fix? |
16:14:52 | XavierGr | let me check |
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16:14:58 | pondlife | B4gder: Good - I'll let it continue then |
16:15:07 | XavierGr | preglow: before |
16:15:11 | XavierGr | I will try again now |
16:15:11 | preglow | echo didn't sound right at all before the fix, so small wonder |
16:15:19 | preglow | try again now and i doubt you'll hear any difference from before |
16:15:59 | barrywardell | B4gder: is mi4code able to scan it? |
16:16:13 | B4gder | no, mrh found a bug in it with the R-version of mi4 |
16:16:20 | XavierGr | preglow: eh? but you said that the fix fixed the echo, so I guess I must hear something different right? |
16:16:31 | B4gder | but possibly soon |
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16:16:58 | barrywardell | cool |
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16:20:06 | XavierGr | hmm I think my ears are making fun of me. |
16:20:14 | bluebrother | hmm. What's a good price for an ipod mini? |
16:20:15 | XavierGr | let me try with the fix then.... |
16:20:37 | bluebrother | does 85EUR sound ok for a 4GB model? |
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16:22:13 | XavierGr | ah I know what was wrong, on the secret of mana soundtrack some tracks are double, one with echo and one without |
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16:22:28 | XavierGr | that's why I thought that some notes were staccato |
16:22:29 | webguest51 | hi guys !° |
16:22:40 | webguest51 | i am in dire need of help, i dropped my iriver ihp140 |
16:23:02 | webguest51 | now it does not detect the hd, it cant find the hd, ata error |
16:23:12 | webguest51 | i know hd is broken, allright i will replace it |
16:23:16 | bluebrother | might be a connection problem |
16:23:24 | webguest51 | but how the f. do i switch off the iriver ? |
16:23:41 | webguest51 | its constantly spinning the hd, no button does anything... |
16:23:51 | bluebrother | good question. Open it up and remove the battery cable ... |
16:23:53 | pondlife | Is there a reset button on the H140? |
16:23:59 | webguest51 | reset does not help |
16:24:03 | webguest51 | it just tries to boot again |
16:24:25 | webguest51 | i have it open in front of me, the battery cable is soldered... |
16:24:31 | bluebrother | I think the bootloader doesn't have a power off button |
16:24:48 | bluebrother | yours is soldered? I replaced the battery on my h120, and it's a white connector |
16:24:56 | pondlife | Reset and attempt a boot into the OF? |
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16:25:57 | webguest51 | ok, it just died. :( |
16:26:29 | webguest51 | might have been the battery, dunno |
16:26:33 | webguest51 | bugger |
16:26:51 | bluebrother | http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/H1xx_Internal_Battery_Replacement |
16:26:53 | webguest51 | dropped it first a couple of weeks ago, made horrible noise, but kept on fighting, used it till today |
16:27:02 | webguest51 | but now its gone for good |
16:27:08 | bluebrother | it has pictures on how to disconnect the battery. Worked as described for me |
16:27:31 | webguest51 | is the Toshiba MK6008GAH 60GB a possible replacement ? |
16:27:36 | webguest51 | is it a ZIF connector ? |
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16:28:26 | petur | that 8 looks a bit too high... I had to go for an 8007 for the correct connector |
16:29:02 | petur | webguest51: look on MR |
16:29:58 | barrywardell | hmmm. frozen build |
16:30:19 | petur | too cold outside |
16:30:54 | pondlife | petur: Do you have an H340 with a MK8007GAH inside? |
16:31:01 | preglow | XavierGr: the first commit of today from jhMikeS introduced a bug, the second fixed it, it's that simple |
16:31:20 | pondlife | I'm thinking of getting one |
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16:32:25 | petur | pondlife: not yet, it's on its way :D |
16:32:41 | barrywardell | B4gder: can you give the build system a kick? |
16:32:44 | pondlife | Pricy though! |
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16:32:55 | pondlife | petur: I await your reports!! |
16:33:03 | petur | pondlife: yes... $260 |
16:33:11 | pondlife | Where from? |
16:33:15 | petur | ebay |
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16:34:40 | petur | brb |
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16:37:40 | * | pondlife wonders if rockboxdev.sh under Cygwin will finish before midnight. |
16:38:04 | bluebrother | depends on your timezone ;-) |
16:38:20 | pondlife | And I never said which day |
16:38:26 | bluebrother | hehe |
16:39:15 | petur | pondlife: http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/NEW-Toshiba-MK8007GAH-1-8-80GB-ATA-100-IPOD-PDA-Drive_W0QQitemZ220084166809QQihZ012QQcategoryZ48680QQcmdZViewItem |
16:39:36 | pondlife | Thanks. |
16:40:38 | pondlife | I'm waiting for my battery to die a bit before I make any decision. Hopefully the price will have dropped a little by then. |
16:40:45 | Kasperle | bluebrother: did you forget about my patch to svnversion.sh? or are you not happy with it? |
16:41:26 | petur | pondlife: I've ordered a new battery too - if I'm opening it I might as well swap that too |
16:42:49 | bluebrother | Kasperle: no time yet :( |
16:44:08 | pondlife | petur: Yep that was my plan, although the other way round - if I'm changing the battery I might as well supersize the HD. |
16:44:33 | perl|work | its much cheaper to buy a new player than a battery |
16:44:33 | petur | I'm more confronted with disk full ;) |
16:44:40 | perl|work | (gigabeats wise) |
16:44:48 | Kasperle | bluebrother: kk :) |
16:46:00 | * | petur payed 15 euro for a 2300mAh battery - we'll see what it gives |
16:47:13 | toffe | I try to use the graphical equalizer on my F40, the song began to play normally and after 3 or 4 mn the sound became distorded and the volume decrease to no sound, I disable the equalizer and it came back normal , any idea ? |
16:47:41 | toffe | I reenable the equalizer and no sound at all |
16:47:45 | perl|work | toffe never encountered that |
16:47:51 | perl|work | and i use full EQ all the time |
16:48:00 | toffe | strange |
16:48:27 | toffe | it is a build from sunday |
16:48:52 | toffe | do you use the graphical equalizer or the other settings ? |
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16:49:01 | webguest51 | thanks for your help guys, I found the battery connector, now i need to find a new drive for my beloved ihp140! |
16:49:03 | perl|work | toffe all settings that eq offers |
16:49:11 | toffe | ok |
16:50:01 | perl|work | mp3s and FLACs |
16:50:04 | toffe | I will try again, but it was really not working with the equalizer on |
16:50:12 | toffe | mp3 320kbp |
16:50:13 | perl|work | what file you got? |
16:50:22 | perl|work | yeah i use plenty of those |
16:51:03 | perl|work | make sure its not the file itself |
16:51:16 | Llorean | The EQ should be processing the PCM anyway, I thought |
16:51:40 | toffe | I tried several files but from the same cd rip |
16:53:03 | toffe | I will try different files, but it was strange like when you are in a car listening a radio and you loose the signal.. |
16:53:54 | toffe | and when I switch from equalizer on and off, I had a big noise |
16:55:10 | perl|work | id like to see that file toffe |
16:55:17 | perl|work | upload if you can, ill check at home |
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16:55:32 | Llorean | toffe: Try updating to a current build and see if you still have the problem. |
16:55:37 | Llorean | I doubt it has anything to do with the file. |
16:56:10 | perl|work | Llorean what do you think it is? |
16:56:36 | Llorean | perl|work: Well, the equalizer shouldn't be affecting anything until after the audio's decompressed, so it really doesn't matter what format the file is. And since the file plays fine with the EQ off. |
16:56:58 | Llorean | It may be that toffe's specific settings, one of his filters, has landed on a math error or something. |
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16:57:15 | Llorean | I know that for a short while the Q was defaulting to 0 resulting in some very strange effects, for example. |
16:57:16 | toffe | I try also to put back the graphic equalizer to its original settings and it was the same |
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16:58:15 | perl|work | Llorean oh i see |
16:58:26 | webguest51 | ok bye |
16:58:34 | pixelma | sorry for being a bit off topic (though it has a connection) ... anyone ever experienced the following problem: bought something on ebay.co.uk and here in ebay.de it let me choose a method of payment that the seller now claims he wouldn't accept (but the offer said he would ship to the rest of Europe too)? |
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16:58:39 | toffe | all the settings of rockbox are the standard ones, I just change the 3 middle band of the graphic equalizer |
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16:58:44 | Llorean | toffe: If you have the default settings (0db gain on each) then the EQ shouldn't do anything. The filters should actually be disabled. |
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16:59:18 | perl|work | still i'ven't encountered any EQ issues for a long time and i play around with them a lot |
16:59:37 | toffe | I will try again |
16:59:43 | Llorean | perl|work: There was one introduced with JDGordon's setting rework (the defaulting Q to 0 one) |
16:59:55 | mattm91 | Hi, does anyone know the status of 80GB ipod compatibility? |
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17:00:05 | Llorean | toffe: To reset your settings, load the actual 'Default' equalizer preset |
17:00:13 | Llorean | mattm91: It doesn't work yet. |
17:00:22 | toffe | ok |
17:00:58 | mattm91 | ok, thx. i'll check back in a week or so. |
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17:01:13 | perl|work | Llorean does his rework reset it? |
17:01:31 | Llorean | perl|work: Reset what? |
17:02:07 | Llorean | perl|work: When we moved to the new settings-in-file system, the default values set for Q were incorrect. That's been fixed, but anyone who'd used it before would need to manually clear their settings on reboot or the bad defaults would still be stored in their config.cfg |
17:02:35 | perl|work | got it |
17:04:12 | pondlife | Seriously, does anyone know how long rockboxdev.sh takes to run, for all compilers, under Cygwin. I'm running an AthlonX2 4800+, and it's been 45 mins so far :( |
17:04:28 | bluebrother | sounds quite a while. |
17:04:28 | B4gder | it can take a few hours for all I know |
17:04:39 | pondlife | Urgh |
17:04:40 | B4gder | cygwin is dead slow and this is gcc and binutils |
17:05:12 | pondlife | I was hoping for a 10 minute GCC upgrade. |
17:05:14 | perl|work | pondlife takes about 45-50 min on cygwin |
17:05:23 | Llorean | pondlife: It took me about two hours to manually set up all cross compilers under cygwin ones. |
17:05:24 | toffe | Llorean : I am using the basic settings of rockbox, nothing special, I don't really use it for now so I didn't make any personal settings |
17:05:24 | Llorean | onces |
17:05:44 | Llorean | toffe: Yes, but I wasn't talking about any settings other than the equalizer anyway. :) |
17:06:13 | pondlife | Thanks all, I'll let it continue. |
17:06:15 | toffe | I don't have any, the only one is the back light change to 20s |
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17:06:53 | Lible | Hi |
17:06:55 | toffe | I will try again and confirm this afternoon |
17:07:10 | Lible | Where should I send my translation for/of Rockbox |
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17:07:18 | * | amiconn would expect rockboxdev.sh to run for multiple hours on cygwin |
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17:07:41 | B4gder | Lible: submit it to the patch tracker |
17:07:43 | amiconn | Building *one* crosscompiler on cygwin (the manual way) took me 2 hours or so |
17:08:14 | amiconn | Depends a lot on disk speed and cpu speed, of course |
17:08:22 | Llorean | pondlife: Oh, actually when I say "all", we didn't have an arm-elf one yet. |
17:08:28 | Llorean | So, it was "both" back then |
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17:08:32 | amiconn | ...and things like active virus scanners slow it down further |
17:08:55 | Lible | Thanks, b3gder |
17:08:59 | Lible | *b4gder |
17:09:00 | Lible | lol |
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17:21:20 | Winchester | Is there a way to compile a plugin without recompiling the whole of rockbox? |
17:22:19 | Mikachu | sure, just run the gcc command manually |
17:22:27 | Mikachu | try make -n V=1 and then find it |
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17:22:47 | petur | make help gives all build options |
17:22:58 | Mikachu | yes, but there's no option for building a specific plugin |
17:23:02 | petur | but plugins only wasn't there when I last looked |
17:23:03 | Winchester | oh.....rly? O_o |
17:23:12 | Winchester | ah |
17:23:18 | Winchester | so..... there isn't a way then? |
17:23:27 | Mikachu | not if you ignore what i said |
17:23:41 | Winchester | the gcc command ey? |
17:24:05 | Mikachu | it's probably faster if you just run make :) |
17:24:12 | Mikachu | you can press ctrl-c after your plugin is done |
17:24:35 | Winchester | why would make be faster? |
17:24:42 | Mikachu | than trying to make my method work |
17:25:28 | | Part Lible |
17:25:38 | Winchester | when there's a will there's a way...... |
17:26:02 | Winchester | though I'll probably lose the will in half an hour and just run make and ctrl+c when the plug in is done and all |
17:26:34 | Mikachu | you can start make in the meantime and see which is faster :) |
17:27:18 | Winchester | lol |
17:29:04 | * | Mikachu uses the old start make and go to the toilet trick |
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17:31:00 | Winchester | interesting..... I'll stick with being stubborn and tyring to find the gcc command |
17:31:06 | Winchester | *trying |
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17:36:25 | Winchester | and what's the way to print output of an executable to a file? |
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17:36:40 | bluebrother | just > file |
17:36:51 | bluebrother | or >> file to append |
17:36:58 | Winchester | ah thanks =) |
17:38:53 | luckz | Soap, petur, desowin: in any case, qtscrobbler seems to handle unicode chars just fine |
17:39:04 | desowin | sure it does |
17:40:03 | Winchester | Mikachu: What is the V=1 for? |
17:40:15 | bluebrother | make the output verbose |
17:40:44 | Winchester | *blank look* |
17:41:50 | luckz | a blank look equal to a sudden light bulb effect in your head or a blank look showing the still lingering confusion? |
17:42:05 | Winchester | The second one. |
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17:43:17 | luckz | Winchester: verbose means that it will tell you what the hell it is doing, anyway |
17:43:22 | luckz | rather than work silently in the background |
17:44:06 | Winchester | ah.... just didn't see anything about it in 'man make' |
17:44:14 | Winchester | and normally 'man' knows everything =O |
17:45:40 | luckz | man tries its best to confuse people and be unhelpful. |
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17:46:29 | luckz | the times I tried to get help from man and left more confused than before shall be deemed uncountable. |
17:46:35 | amiconn | Winchester: The V=1 is part of the rockbox build system, not a general make feature |
17:46:35 | Winchester | Suppose that would explain my confusion. |
17:46:46 | Winchester | oh |
17:47:46 | Mikachu | Winchester: V=1 is not a make option, but something the rb makefiles look for |
17:47:56 | Mikachu | oops, missed amiconn |
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17:48:46 | Winchester | ok well.... thanks a lot.... I am halfway to figuring out how to compile the single .rock file |
17:48:50 | desowin | luckz: could you please test 0.3 release of qtscrobbler before release date ? |
17:49:06 | Mikachu | Winchester: it should be two commands, one that says CC and one that says LD when not using V=1 |
17:49:19 | Mikachu | maybe three, one for the objcopy |
17:49:55 | amiconn | ...and it might not work, depending on whether that plugin needs generated source files normally created earlier in the build process |
17:50:12 | Winchester | yeah objcopy is there |
17:50:21 | * | amiconn wonders why so many people want single plugin compilation |
17:50:44 | amiconn | After one full 'make' run, subsequent 'make' calls only rebuild changed things anyway |
17:51:34 | Winchester | >.> |
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17:52:16 | luckz | desowin: if you tell me how, sure |
17:55:08 | desowin | I'll provide you an win32 binary |
17:56:35 | Winchester | does the simulator version use the same .rock files or do they have their own compile commands? |
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17:57:09 | Llorean | Winchester: You have to compile for the simulator target. |
17:57:35 | Winchester | hmm ok |
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18:00:44 | desowin | luckz: please especially look for dates of submissions, and if you could test 1.play something on computer and scrobble it 2.just a while later play something on rockbox, and scrobble it; here's binary: desowin/qtscrob-0.3pre.exe">http://republika.pl/desowin/qtscrob-0.3pre.exe |
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18:04:54 | luckz | am playing a song. |
18:05:46 | desowin | oh, and which timezone are you in ? |
18:06:08 | luckz | +1 |
18:06:23 | luckz | submissions work fine in that regard, if I set it to +1 |
18:07:17 | desowin | good |
18:07:36 | luckz | mh, lastfm app has not bothered scrobbling yet. oh, has now. |
18:07:36 | luckz | k |
18:07:38 | luckz | rockbox runnin |
18:09:11 | desowin | oh, and play song on computer after scrobbling from rockbox, and check if last.fm doesn't say that you scrobbled something before last submission date |
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18:11:58 | luckz | ja. |
18:15:19 | luckz | .. |
18:15:33 | luckz | desowin: it goes "last submission date is 18:04" or so on me |
18:15:38 | luckz | it does not get the time zone thing. |
18:15:44 | desowin | damn |
18:15:49 | luckz | ohh |
18:15:51 | luckz | lol |
18:15:52 | luckz | okay |
18:16:00 | luckz | I PLAYED the song on rockbox at 17:04:33 |
18:16:04 | luckz | and submitted 18:04:46 |
18:16:07 | luckz | so maybe it's those 13 seconds :p |
18:16:23 | luckz | did recalc |
18:16:40 | desowin | no! |
18:16:43 | luckz | http://www.last.fm/user/Luckz/ <- 2x rammstein scrobbled, one I did not listen to |
18:16:45 | desowin | don't submit! |
18:16:48 | luckz | why? |
18:16:53 | luckz | recalc just adjusted it by a few seconds |
18:16:56 | desowin | it'll be in future I think |
18:16:58 | luckz | and then submitted fine |
18:16:59 | luckz | no no |
18:17:03 | luckz | it works fine now |
18:17:06 | luckz | it was really those 13 seconds |
18:17:14 | desowin | scrobble something now from computer |
18:17:15 | luckz | guess my pc time and rockbox time have some miniscule difference between them |
18:17:22 | luckz | yes, doing that |
18:17:33 | desowin | well, for me it scrobbled in future ;-) |
18:18:37 | luckz | last.fm app says failed, username password incorrect |
18:18:55 | desowin | well, it's not my fault |
18:19:24 | luckz | maybe the connection to qtscrobbler lingers for a bit |
18:19:41 | luckz | I noticed that everything exploded and I got username password errors when trying to scrobble with logscrobbler and qtscrobbler simultaneously :p |
18:21:37 | desowin | just let me know if now computer doesn't get 'you scrobbled something before last submission' |
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18:22:13 | luckz | http://www.last.fm/user/Luckz/ <- works fine, desowin |
18:22:17 | desowin | btw. for tracks in future, it all time keeps 1 minutes ago for me ;-) |
18:22:29 | luckz | bauhaus was pc, rammstein were rockbox, stuff after was pc again |
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18:22:53 | luckz | just again the issue that I only played about a minute of the second rammstein track, yet the scrobber.log declared it fully played |
18:23:13 | desowin | thanks, 0.3 is out then |
18:23:32 | luckz | I'll try getting pc time and rockbox time fully sync'd |
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18:24:38 | luckz | was 4 minutes difference |
18:24:53 | luckz | sounds like big error potential to me |
18:26:57 | preglow | hmm |
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18:28:07 | luckz | know what I hate |
18:28:09 | luckz | ? |
18:28:13 | luckz | shutting it down when it played one second of a song |
18:28:18 | luckz | it finishing downshuttery at two seconds |
18:28:21 | luckz | and that song then scrobbling :) |
18:28:25 | luckz | (just did that) |
18:28:51 | luckz | let's see what happens if I start playing something on the pc when I should be like 30s into my hypothetical song |
18:30:08 | preglow | any x5 people here who can tell me why the x5 is switched off by toggling the pcf KEEPACT line instead of setting the pcf in standby mode? |
18:31:03 | preglow | right, they're equivalent |
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18:34:05 | * | preglow wishes people would use #defines for register names |
18:34:34 | Mikachu | as opposed to hardcoded hex values? |
18:36:51 | luckz | preglow: I don't follow your question :p |
18:37:19 | amiconn | barrywardell: Voltage->percent mapping propably makes sense, but runtime calibration does not yet, on PP targets |
18:37:28 | preglow | Mikachu: yes, as opposed to that |
18:37:52 | barrywardell | amiconn: i agree |
18:38:29 | barrywardell | I was just trying to say that battery percentages and runtime remaining would not be correct |
18:42:15 | rp- | barrywardell: thanks for committing the battery stuff |
18:42:48 | barrywardell | np. you did most of the work |
18:43:16 | barrywardell | rp-: so what's next on your list? |
18:44:26 | rp- | barrywardell: disassembling the sansa firmware, but it's a pain :( |
18:44:31 | amiconn | GodEater_: What are fourms? ;) |
18:45:18 | barrywardell | are you gonna search for anything specific? |
18:45:47 | rp- | barrywardell: altough i should go to AMS on this friday, but i didn't get any response from austriancoder who should setup the meeting |
18:46:04 | rp- | barrywardell: yep, audio i2c code |
18:46:25 | barrywardell | great. that's what I was hoping you were going to say :) |
18:49:16 | * | dan_a is trying to get DMA working with the Sansa flash driver |
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18:52:23 | ArrowStomper | I recently tried putting rockbox on my sansa e250 and did so improperly, when I tried to unbrick it I realized that I didn't copy the .mi4 file properly (or at all), does anyone know where I can get a new one? |
18:53:29 | dan_a | ArrowStomper: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
18:54:19 | ArrowStomper | thx |
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18:56:37 | ArrowStomper | do you know how to tell what version I have? |
18:56:49 | ArrowStomper | or will any version work? |
18:57:16 | dan_a | If it has a radio, it's not European |
18:57:57 | web-taz | mhh |
18:58:05 | sliper | hopefully someone can help me with a problem I am having, I installed rockbox a few days ago on my ipod and it was working fine now my music does not show up on the file manager but it shows when i mount the drive |
18:58:07 | ArrowStomper | I know its american, buit if I put a file in that it didn't come with will it break it? |
18:58:11 | web-taz | if the radio does not work... it's european....= |
18:58:12 | web-taz | ? |
18:58:18 | ArrowStomper | there are three options |
18:58:33 | preglow | amiconn: what reasons do you have for not autoresuming on alarm, btw? the code seems to have the intent of always autoresuming on alarm, but it doesn't work, linusn says |
18:58:46 | bluebrother | sliper: what do you mean by "file manager"? File browser or database view? |
18:58:46 | amiconn | Yes, read that |
18:59:15 | sliper | file browser |
18:59:20 | amiconn | I think rockbox should perform whatever action the user has set to happen at startup, so the alarm could e.g. be used for timed recording |
18:59:34 | dan_a | ArrowStomper: You put Rockbox on, and now start worrying about putting a firmware that didn't come with it on? ;) |
18:59:42 | sliper | my directories show up but no files inside |
18:59:42 | bluebrother | so it doesn't show up in the RB file view but you can see it from the PC? |
18:59:43 | preglow | amiconn: ah, yes, i agree with that, but it should never start and do nothing? |
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19:00:06 | sliper | ya bluebrother... i can see them on my pc |
19:00:10 | Mikachu | if it does, it'll shut down after the sleep timer |
19:00:14 | ArrowStomper | ha ha, guess your right. I'll try the first one on the list |
19:00:14 | amiconn | Dunno, probably not |
19:00:29 | preglow | Mikachu: which isn't very useful |
19:00:47 | * | amiconn thinks that using rockbox for wake-up alarm isn't very feasible |
19:00:53 | bluebrother | sounds like some unsupported format / file extension to me ... |
19:00:59 | preglow | amiconn: why not? |
19:01:03 | bluebrother | but I assume you're using mp3? |
19:01:04 | sliper | they were playing fine before |
19:01:08 | sliper | they are flac files |
19:01:11 | amiconn | It requires to leave some active loudspeakers or equivalent powered the whole time |
19:01:18 | sliper | it was working last night |
19:01:19 | PaulJam | sliper: maybe you have set the fileview to something like playlists. try setting it to all |
19:01:20 | preglow | amiconn: ah, i'm not a heavy sleeper :) |
19:01:34 | preglow | amiconn: and i've got a pair of ordinary headphones that are very open |
19:01:37 | amiconn | Do you sleep with earphones? |
19:01:42 | preglow | amiconn: i leave them on the floor |
19:01:42 | amiconn | ah, hmm |
19:02:04 | preglow | if you sleep heavily, then this will of course not work, but i tend to wake really easily, so it'll do the trick for me |
19:02:05 | * | amiconn wouldn't wake up from open headphones playing music, even at 0dB volume |
19:02:05 | Mikachu | you can use the piezo too |
19:02:24 | preglow | but anyway, if you've got speakers, it'll work even better |
19:02:28 | bluebrother | maybe the file browser is set to "playlist" view? |
19:02:33 | sliper | must be |
19:02:43 | sliper | i just reset the configure and they are back |
19:02:59 | sliper | thanks for the quick and easy help |
19:03:36 | bluebrother | np |
19:03:49 | amiconn | Yes, but then you need to power them... or use a switch clock (?) to power them - and if you use a switch clock anyway, you could plug the rockbox unit's charger in there as well, and just use car adapter mode for wake-up alarm |
19:04:21 | preglow | just powering them sounds fine, but i'll just stick to headphones |
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19:04:57 | amiconn | I know, that's not necessarily the point here, it's just that I don't think the alarm is that much useful as a wake-up alarm |
19:04:57 | preglow | anyway, it's a nice option to have nonetheless |
19:05:10 | preglow | so, we should rename the option? :> |
19:05:36 | amiconn | Otherwise I would have done the alarm mod to my v1 for sure |
19:06:05 | Mikachu | i think i would wake up from the piezo |
19:06:06 | preglow | i wonder why the resume on alarm doesn't work |
19:06:15 | * | Mikachu plays with his beeper plugin |
19:06:23 | preglow | perhaps there's a bug in rct_check_alarm_started() |
19:06:27 | preglow | i guess i'll find out when i implement it |
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19:07:16 | amiconn | Iiuc the unit should shut down after setting the alarm, which it also doesn't do (?) |
19:07:57 | preglow | yep |
19:08:01 | preglow | i don't even see the code for it |
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19:14:34 | ArrowStomper | I just tried putting the .mi4 file into the sansa when it was on recovery mode and it did not do anything, it appears that the .mi4 file just got deleted. I am getting the (-1) error and after rereading the install instructions have realized that I put the rockbox folder into the wrong location. Is there anyway to just move it to the right location? |
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19:15:38 | dan_a | ArrowStomper: Did you make an OF.bin and put it in \SYSTEM? |
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19:16:30 | ArrowStomper | I didn't put it into system, I just put it into the main file, next to system |
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19:16:55 | dan_a | Hmmm... what instructions were you following? |
19:17:29 | ArrowStomper | umm... i misread |
19:18:23 | ArrowStomper | directions from rockbox site http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install |
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19:19:57 | dan_a | Ah. What message did your Sansa give you when you put the .mi4 file on in recovery mode? |
19:20:02 | Mikachu | that certainly has lots of warnings to follow them exactly |
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19:22:21 | Eimann | moin |
19:22:57 | ArrowStomper | rockbox boot loader version: 20061221-1918 sandisk sansa e200 partition 0: 0x0B 1896 MB loading rockbox... Rockbox error: -1 |
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19:23:17 | preglow | amiconn: seems to be some other redundancies in the rtc code for archos too, but i don't think i'll modify any of it so i won't break it |
19:24:03 | dan_a | ArrowStomper: Sorry, I mean while you are in recovery mode. It will say something like "write main firmware... done" or "writing firmware failed" when you disconnect the drive |
19:24:12 | Arathis | Any idea how to find out where a player is mountet on every linux dist. and every player? Or is this the same on every distribution? e.g. /media/H10 for the H10 |
19:24:39 | Mikachu | Arathis: uh, i can pretty much guarantee it's different on every distro |
19:24:40 | dan_a | Arathis: I think that's pretty much impossible |
19:24:54 | Mikachu | for many distros, even different between computers |
19:25:03 | Arathis | bad thing |
19:25:03 | Mikachu | eg sane ones that don't automount |
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19:26:20 | Arathis | I could 'mount | grep | cut' but I would need a hint what to search for |
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19:26:35 | Eimann | My ipod mini 1g says "rockbox loaded." - didn't found a hint in the faq, do you have one? ;) |
19:26:48 | Mikachu | Arathis: what you want to do is impossible |
19:26:55 | barrywardell | you could look for the H10.mi4 file |
19:26:55 | Arathis | :( |
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19:27:36 | ArrowStomper | when I lock the key pad and press the record and power button, then connect to usb connector it says: Enter USB2.0 MSD mode LUN0 locked LUN0 unlocked (4 times) and then ends with LUN0 locked |
19:28:01 | barrywardell | ie. get the output from mount, then search each of the mount points for System/H10.mi4 if it's just for the H10 |
19:28:04 | Arathis | barrywardell: But I still would need to know where to look for it. I can't search the whole system or /media /mnt (are there other mount directories?) |
19:28:26 | Mikachu | you can mount things wherever you want |
19:28:33 | barrywardell | mount would list all mount points |
19:28:37 | Mikachu | you'd be better of asking the user for the mount point |
19:28:50 | xandl12 | mount | grep sda |
19:29:02 | xandl12 | or mount | grep sd |
19:29:26 | Mikachu | that will give a list of all usb, sata and scsi units |
19:29:28 | Arathis | xandl12: are all rockbox players sd? |
19:29:58 | Arathis | oh, usb devices are also /dev/sd? didn't know about that |
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19:31:16 | Mikachu | if i want i can have a device node for my ipod in /usr/share called frobnicate |
19:32:17 | Eimann | i downloaded the latest file for ipod mini 1g, went through the manual and it boots, but it seems to hang at the "rockbox loaded." line. no file browser here :/ |
19:32:37 | Arathis | Mikachu: I was thinking about automount. Users that mount manually would know where their player is mounted ;) |
19:33:29 | Mikachu | at school they mount usb devices in /usb0..8 |
19:33:57 | Mikachu | Arathis: everyone should know where it's mounted, how else are they copying music to it? |
19:35:49 | dan_a | Arathis: for i in `mount | awk '{ print $3; }'` ; do if [ -e $i/H10.mi4 ] ; then echo $i ; fi ; done |
19:35:50 | Arathis | Mikachu: Ubuntu for example opens the player rute automatically and adds an "H10" in the device menu |
19:36:24 | Mikachu | you can have a lot of fun rooting ubuntu machines with crafted filesystems then :) |
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19:37:25 | dan_a | Arathis: Sorry, that should be $i/System/H10.mi4 |
19:37:50 | linuxstb | Assuming the partition is even mounted... (I've disabled automount) |
19:38:28 | Arathis | dan_a: thanks :) |
19:38:51 | * | amiconn wonders why linux (nautilus, in this case?) stumbles upon surprise removal of an usb msd |
19:38:53 | ArrowStomper | dan_a: when I lock the key pad and press the record and power button, then connect to usb connector it says: Enter USB2.0 MSD mode LUN0 locked LUN0 unlocked (4 times) and then ends with LUN0 locked |
19:39:12 | dan_a | ArrowStomper: Try renaming the mi4 you downloaded to "firmware.mi4" and copying that across in recovery mode. As usual, do not copy anything else across other than the mi4 |
19:40:28 | Arathis | I think I'll execute dan_a's command and ask for the mountpoint so there can be a list of possible mountpoints if possible and the user still can add his own one |
19:40:57 | ArrowStomper | dan_a: ok, just one thing, there isn't a .mi4 file in the 16mb partition right now, only a VERSION.TXT |
19:41:05 | Arathis | Asking for the player would be necessary too of course |
19:42:22 | dan_a | ArrowStomper: That's normal if you haven't copied the mi4 there yet. Every time you boot in recovery mode it does that. Don't delete anything of the recovery partition. Don't format the recovery partition. Copy the mi4 to it, and then safely disconnect your Sansa |
19:42:33 | Eimann | arg .. ok, i should unplug the usb cable ;) |
19:42:56 | dan_a | s/ of the recovery partition/ from the recovery partition/ |
19:43:04 | ArrowStomper | dan_a: it refreshing as we speak, thanks alot |
19:43:17 | dan_a | ArrowStomper: You're welcome |
19:43:54 | ArrowStomper | now time to reinstall rockbox |
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19:48:33 | Eimann | hm, now it shows the splash screen, but still no file browser |
19:48:34 | esp8 | hey i was wondering on how to delete all my old datebase of songs can i just plus the rock box into itunes? or can i just format it? |
19:48:49 | esp8 | *plus Plug |
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19:50:49 | Febs | esp8: what exactly are you trying to do? |
19:51:27 | Mikachu | esp8: if you want to delete the songs itunes put on, look in /ipod_control |
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19:53:16 | pixelma | Eimann: what exactly is on the screen? The rockbox logo? |
19:53:53 | Eimann | Rockbox Logo with Ver. r12409-070220 |
19:55:03 | illriginal | Can anyone please send me the bootsplash.raw file? |
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19:55:14 | esp8 | theres no way to copy the songs on my ipod but kepting there original names? not the ones itunes gave it? |
19:55:23 | illriginal | Rockbox logo on toshiba gigabeat f series is non-existant |
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19:55:57 | pixelma | Eimann: I'm no ipod expert at all - but are you sure that you put the right version on there (1st or 2nd generation mini)? Other than that I have no suggestion |
19:56:08 | illriginal | current build doesn't support bootsplash.raw |
19:56:20 | illriginal | or the bootsplash.raw is corrupted. |
19:56:23 | Eimann | pixelma: i put the 1g version on themini 1g :) |
19:57:09 | Llorean | illriginal: I told you yesterday, the build isn't what loads it, the bootloader is. |
19:58:03 | busa_blade | anyone looked at the aigo mp-235 b4? |
19:58:18 | illriginal | ok |
19:58:21 | illriginal | the bootlaoder is bad. |
19:58:26 | illriginal | both of them. |
19:58:34 | Llorean | Both of them? |
19:58:34 | illriginal | or the bootsplash.raw is bad. |
19:58:43 | Llorean | What 'both'? |
19:58:53 | illriginal | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/ |
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19:58:59 | illriginal | ^ those two |
19:59:03 | Eimann | pixelma: i think i have to recover it or so, it doesn't reboot to start the disk mode as described |
19:59:24 | Llorean | illriginal: Those bootloaders come from before the bootsplash update. |
19:59:32 | illriginal | -.- |
19:59:42 | Llorean | They're not _supposed_ to load bootsplash.raw |
19:59:49 | illriginal | may i have the link to the latest bootloader for my gigabeat? |
19:59:57 | Llorean | See the GigabeatFXPort wiki page. |
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20:00:01 | illriginal | ok |
20:00:52 | illriginal | sorry man |
20:00:58 | illriginal | it takes me to the same page: |
20:01:00 | illriginal | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/ |
20:01:29 | Llorean | illriginal: Try actually reading the whole page, please |
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20:01:50 | Febs | esp8: you can load music onto your ipod just by dragging and dropping it. Rockbox will be able to read it; the original firmware will not. |
20:01:56 | illriginal | The latest bootloader (FWIMG01.DAT) is dated 18 January 2007. It can be downloaded as the bootloader.zip file at the bottom of this page if it is not yet at http://download.rockbox.org, or |
20:01:56 | illriginal | The bootloader should go into the /gbsystem/fwimg. |
20:01:56 | illriginal | bootsplash.raw should go in the root directory of the Gigabeat. This file is a raw file generated with the bmp2rb command. The source is a 240x320x16 bitmap file. To create a raw file, if you would like to replace this one, use the command: |
20:01:56 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK illriginal |
20:01:56 | illriginal | bmp2rb.exe input.bmp -f 4 -r > bootsplash.raw |
20:02:02 | Febs | If you use iTunes, there is no way to avoid having your filenames obfuscated. |
20:02:09 | Llorean | illriginal: Don't copy and paste multiple lines |
20:02:14 | Llorean | illriginal: also, try READING what you just pasted. |
20:02:18 | esp8 | Febs: alright thanks :) |
20:02:50 | Llorean | illriginal: Specifically the part that says "It can be downloaded as the bootloader.zip file at the bottom of this page" |
20:02:55 | Febs | Speaking of obfuscating, does anyone else find it ironic that the guy who is complaining on the mailing list about e-mail addresses not being obfuscated keeps quoting messages containing other people's e-mail addresses? |
20:03:01 | Eimann | pixelma: oookay ... i rebooted it several times. now it works. |
20:03:06 | Eimann | that's cool :) |
20:04:03 | Eimann | Seems that i got a weirdo ipod or a weirdo image or bot of it ;) |
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20:06:06 | ArrowStomper | in the instructions to install rockbox it says "extract it into the root directory of your sansa" what is the root directory? |
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20:06:44 | * | Febs sighs. |
20:06:53 | Febs | It's the base-level directory of your player. |
20:07:06 | Febs | So, if you're player is drive F, the root directory is F:\ |
20:08:01 | dan_a | ArrowStomper: Have you read the warning in the install instructions about Rockbox only being suitable for developers? |
20:08:10 | dan_a | (on the Sansa) |
20:08:39 | ArrowStomper | umm...I heed your advice |
20:09:14 | dan_a | Wait for it to be properly released, and installing it should be a lot easier - and it will have sound! |
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20:10:23 | Febs | Oh, my. I've apparently been reading the forums too much. s/you're/your. |
20:10:30 | illriginal | Llorean... where does the bootsplash.bmp go? |
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20:11:30 | Llorean | illriginal: You don't need it. |
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20:11:36 | illriginal | oh ok |
20:12:15 | illriginal | why does this page exist if it isn't any good at this point? http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/ |
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20:13:29 | Eimann | pixelma: seems the it was the fault of a nearly empty accu (just for the logs) |
20:13:40 | Llorean | illriginal_: Because most people can read, and follow the instructions, instead of just immediately clicking the link and downloading the outdated files. Once the bootsplash is documented in the pdf manual, it's likey the new version of the bootloader will be moved there. |
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20:15:37 | * | dan_a begs to differ with some of what Llorean just said |
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20:15:55 | Llorean | dan_a: Let me guess, the "most people can read" part? |
20:16:09 | dan_a | More the "follow the instructions" part! |
20:16:12 | Llorean | Would you agree if I'd preceded the whole thing with "We hope that"? |
20:16:22 | dan_a | Oh, yes |
20:16:26 | Eimann | ;> |
20:16:32 | Llorean | I will admit I was a little bit irritated with him, though. |
20:17:08 | Llorean | We went through something very similar yesterday, I got so far as pointing him at downloading the bootloader archive, and he came back today as if the whole prior discussion hadn't happened. |
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20:19:13 | dan_a | I'm often amazed at the restraint you display with people who would have most other people reaching for either a stiff drink or a large weapon |
20:20:20 | * | dan_a discovers it is unwise to wait for a FIFO buffer to empty when you are trying to use DMA to avoid transferring data from said buffer |
20:20:41 | illriginal | I just find it useless to have OLD files when there's better updated files. |
20:21:30 | Llorean | illriginal: The bootsplash feature isn't documented in the manual yet, and is hardly a necessary feature. |
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20:21:50 | Llorean | And that's the only difference between the files currently provided, and the new file. |
20:22:05 | illriginal | it's a good eyecandy, better than a gray screen at least. |
20:22:18 | Llorean | So what? It's just eyecandy. |
20:22:42 | Llorean | Since there's no guarantee that's the finalized method for doing that (converting to .raw), I don't see why there should be a big rush to update when the feature may go away or change dramatically again in a little while. |
20:23:01 | illriginal | some people dislike dull things. |
20:23:18 | Llorean | Then don't look at your player while it's booting. |
20:23:34 | illriginal | -.- |
20:23:44 | Llorean | There are many fancy things in the world. For example, if you look out the window, you'll see a whole host of living things that are interesting to look at during the 2 seconds that the splash is onscreen. |
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20:24:04 | Llorean | Seriously, the older files are there because the new file hasn't been moved there yet. |
20:24:10 | Llorean | That's all there is to it. |
20:24:15 | illriginal | that's fine. |
20:24:18 | Llorean | If you actually took the time to read the page, this wouldn't be a problem. |
20:25:08 | illriginal | no offense, but maybe you guys need a new layout on your webpage. |
20:25:14 | illriginal | more organization, that is. |
20:25:35 | Llorean | You found the right page |
20:25:38 | Llorean | You even found the right line. |
20:25:44 | Llorean | You just ignored the text and clicked the link. |
20:25:48 | illriginal | jes |
20:25:49 | Llorean | How can we organize around people who do that? |
20:26:19 | * | GodEater_ would love to know that too |
20:26:24 | Llorean | I hate to point it out to you, but you exist in a literate society where the ability to read is considered necessary to function. |
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20:26:50 | illriginal | but most of the time it's a guessing game, tryin to find the correct page, i mean maybe you can read 10 words per second, but i can't.. nor am i slow reader, i look for the topic i need to find and read in that topic. If that specific topic is scattered all around the webpage, that's just gonna take more time. |
20:27:00 | illriginal | listen Llorean, drop the whole reading crap ok?... |
20:27:14 | illriginal | obviously i can read, thus is why im communicating with you. |
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20:27:19 | Llorean | illriginal: You found the right line, you didn't read it, and then you complain about organization because you didn't read ONE WHOLE LINE. |
20:27:34 | Llorean | If that's too 'confusing', I'm not sure how it can be improved. |
20:27:35 | Febs | illriginal: much of our website is a wiki. You are welcome to improve it. |
20:27:41 | illriginal | it's not problem you guys have a webpage that's disorganized... |
20:27:56 | Llorean | illriginal: How would you improve, exactly, the bit that confused you there? |
20:28:29 | Llorean | In fact, what _exactly_ confused you about "It can be downloaded as the bootloader.zip file at the bottom of this page" |
20:29:41 | illriginal | start off by player, instead of current builds, extras, releases, etc... |
20:29:55 | dan_a | Actually, that line does look horrible. |
20:30:09 | Llorean | dan_a: The line looks like a mishmash, but if you just read it you do get what you need. |
20:30:18 | dan_a | "if it is not yet at http:// , or" |
20:30:20 | Llorean | It looks like someone edited in without removing older stuff |
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20:30:24 | illriginal | and have all the information related to the player, instead of us goin through 5 pages just to get one thing for that one specific player. |
20:30:35 | Llorean | illriginal: That's what the Manual page is for. |
20:30:43 | Llorean | illriginal: You'll notice there's a whole PDF dedicated to each player. |
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20:30:55 | illriginal | that's perfectly fine.. i fully understand that. |
20:31:07 | perl|work | btw, on the main page, after "Rockbox is an open source replacement firmware for mp3 players. It runs on a number of different models:", those player names can be links to their wiki pages |
20:31:07 | Llorean | So, what other "information" are you talking about? |
20:31:14 | perl|work | thats what a lot of people missing |
20:31:21 | perl|work | their player wiki/manual |
20:31:23 | illriginal | im sayin keep everything together. |
20:31:28 | illriginal | with the player |
20:31:32 | Llorean | What "everything" are you talking about, though? |
20:31:42 | illriginal | instead of basing it off by current releases, base it off of the player/model |
20:31:47 | Llorean | The only player-specific things are the install process (in the manual), and the WPS Gallery |
20:32:00 | Llorean | Basing what off "current releases"? |
20:32:24 | Llorean | You think there should be multiple links to the same download page, one link per player? |
20:32:43 | Llorean | I'm just having a very hard time understanding what exactly you think should be done. |
20:33:06 | Llorean | Rockbox is a single piece of software that runs on various hardwares. There isn't a gigabeat rockbox, and then a different ipod rockbox. It's just "Rockbox" that happens to run on both of those. |
20:33:09 | illriginal | nevermind, i all im sayin is, things are a bit scattered... it's not horrible, it's time consuming, havin to go through so many pages to reach one thing. |
20:33:15 | Llorean | Yes, you need a different download, but once it's running, you use it the same way. |
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20:33:32 | Llorean | illriginal: What 'things'. You're being very vague, and it's impossible for us to improve it if you can't name what you actually feel is wrong. |
20:33:45 | Llorean | What 'thing' are you looking for that you have to go through many pages to get to, for example? |
20:33:54 | n1s | Llorean: I think the "single software on multiple platforms" is what is 'confusing' to many people... |
20:34:10 | linuxstb | I would quite like something that says "installation" on the front page. |
20:34:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: Would it be possible to use the Latex->HTML to just create an index of the installation chapters of each manual, by target? |
20:34:54 | illriginal | somethin like that linux, then have all the players/models, click the players, and have all the installation files, even the "extras" including the fonts |
20:35:15 | perl|work | if you really want to get it working and interested in the project, the learning curve to navigate through rockbox.org takes about 5 minutes |
20:35:16 | Llorean | illriginal: Why do the extras need to be in separate player categories? |
20:35:25 | illriginal | instead of clickin fonts, then search for the player/model, then click zip file |
20:35:26 | n1s | linuxstb: Yes I would like that too, and that would have links like the build table with pictures of the players that would lead to a page linking to both current build and release if available as well as linstall instructions. |
20:35:37 | Llorean | illriginal: There's only ONE Font Zip file. ONE |
20:35:54 | perl|work | some people just want to get to install magic section avoiding all the instructions, manuals, statuses etc |
20:35:54 | illriginal | exactly n1s. |
20:35:56 | Llorean | illriginal: Have you even looked at the 'extras' page? |
20:36:06 | Febs | Llorean: we already have that. The installation page could link to the installation chapter of the html manual. |
20:36:32 | Llorean | Febs: Actually, yeah, I was thinking of the existing HTML manuals while I said it, but stupidly didn't think "We could just link to the ones already there" |
20:36:49 | Llorean | illriginal: There aren't different extras for each player. |
20:38:16 | illriginal | anyone here go to the toshiba gigabeat forum?... a lot of people are sayin the same thing, as far as categorizing each player, their info, and all their installation files. |
20:38:45 | linuxstb | What's the point in people moaning there? They should come and modify the wiki themselves... |
20:38:47 | Llorean | illriginal: Other than the installation files, what _other_ info do you keep talking about? |
20:38:55 | illriginal | i dunno linux? |
20:39:50 | illriginal | llorean, think of a book, there's chapters, sections, paragraphs, sentences, words, and letters... |
20:39:54 | Febs | Everything that needs to be downloaded to install Rockbox is referenced in the installation chapter of the manual. |
20:39:56 | illriginal | break it down. |
20:40:02 | Llorean | illriginal: Break what down? |
20:40:15 | linuxstb | Febs: Then maybe all we need is some more direct links to those chapters. |
20:40:18 | Llorean | Telling me to think of it like a book is useless, if I don't know what info I'm supposed to be thinking about. |
20:40:23 | illriginal | the webpage... |
20:40:27 | Febs | linuxstb, agreed. |
20:40:47 | Llorean | illriginal: What part of the webpage? |
20:41:07 | Febs | I'd also like to move the note about the fonts package to its own subsection of the installation instructions and provide a direct link rather than saying "it can be downloaded from the extras page." |
20:41:12 | Febs | But otherwise, I thnk that everything is there. |
20:41:24 | linuxstb | Maybe under Documentation, have "Installation" link to a page of player images, which in turn link to the manual pages. But it would be nice to work on the html manuals to incorporate them into the website properly. |
20:41:42 | Febs | illriginal: I am referring to this chapter of the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
20:41:48 | Llorean | illriginal: You keep making vague statements about other information. What other information that is specific to the gigabeat do you see that is not A) The build, B) the manual, and C) the install instructions? |
20:42:02 | Febs | Perhaps you could read through that page and identify for us any other information that you think should be identified, that is not already identified there. |
20:42:25 | illriginal | the main page, should have a link reading "installation" you click that, then there's a page with all the players/models, you click your player, then you have a page with all the files that are needed to install, lettin people know there's a new build, and old build, tell them the difference in the two so they have a choice which to click, on that same page there should be fonts, and the wps gallery for that specfic player/mode |
20:42:27 | illriginal | model* |
20:42:49 | esp8 | Can i just format my ipod once i installed the rockbox? |
20:42:55 | Llorean | illriginal: There is no fonts specific to a model. There's just one font zip for all of them. |
20:43:08 | Llorean | illriginal: And the WPS galleries aren't model-specific either. You can use any WPS for your screen size or smaller. |
20:43:10 | illriginal | ok im sorry, leave the fonts on the main page? i dunno. |
20:43:18 | dan_a | I think that on build.rockbox.org, the links to the downloads ought to be above the build table - from a dev's point of view it's nice to see the build table first, but there are more users than devs |
20:43:19 | linuxstb | esp8: You can do whatever you want... |
20:43:46 | illriginal | i agree with that dan_a |
20:43:48 | Llorean | illriginal: That's why I asked you for specific pages you think are Gigabeat only, outside of the three categories I listed. |
20:44:01 | illriginal | naw i mean in general. |
20:44:05 | n1s | Llorean: That page can link to the fonts anyway to have links to everything (for the specific player) in one place |
20:44:24 | Llorean | n1s: If the manual is up to snuff, the manual does the job of that page anyway. |
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20:44:37 | esp8 | linuxstb: but will my bockbox Os build on it? what about the extra fonts and files i added to the .rockbox folder on the root of my ipod? |
20:44:41 | Llorean | n1s: I'm not really sure why we should reproduce the Manual as other pages, since there's already an HTML one of it anyway. |
20:45:04 | Llorean | esp8: Formatting will wipe that folder, of course. |
20:45:08 | linuxstb | esp8: If you format your ipod, you'll delete those files, so you'll need to copy them back... |
20:45:08 | illriginal | Llorean some people are dumb enough to some how download the wrong player's installation files.. not that i have, but it has been done before from the last time i read the forums on gigabeat, it's just all about the ease of goin through a webpage |
20:45:20 | n1s | Llorean: yes I know but as a nice way to let them have all the stuff in one place, or just link from the player-picture links directly to the install instructions in the manual... |
20:45:48 | esp8 | okay but the rockbox should still boot in it's own Os.. i just have to do a quick back up of those files in there |
20:45:53 | Llorean | n1s: A link to the install instructions would be fine. |
20:45:54 | dan_a | The "extras" page would probably look better without the TOC there |
20:46:16 | illriginal | n1s, im sure it would even kill off a page saving more space for your website to expand, |
20:46:24 | Llorean | illriginal: How is a webpage easier than the manual? Or the existing webpage? |
20:46:42 | Llorean | illriginal: All you do is click on the picture of your player, and you download it... |
20:46:50 | Llorean | You even suggested using pictures of the player for your other method. |
20:46:56 | illriginal | keepin everything tidy and organize is the only thing that makes things easier for the consumer and the dev/web master |
20:47:21 | illriginal | i dont need pictures, i can clearly read, "gigabeat f series" |
20:47:43 | Llorean | illriginal: So then how is the current build page too confusing, other than that the table's at the bottom of it? |
20:48:04 | Llorean | You want the newest version of Rockbox, so you click "Current Build" then you click the one for your player. |
20:48:19 | illriginal | no no listen man... the specific pages are not confusing by themselves.. it's when you have all the specific information about a specific player that is all scattered |
20:48:36 | Llorean | illriginal: What information, other than the three categories I gave you, is only about the GIgabeat? |
20:48:40 | Llorean | That's what I'm trying to ask. |
20:48:45 | Febs | illriginal: second request. Please read the installation instructions section of the manual that I linked you to above and let me know what you feel is missing. |
20:48:47 | Llorean | What is all this "specific" information you keep referencing? |
20:48:51 | illriginal | if they were NOT scattered, and they were all linked by one page... then it would be considered organized |
20:48:57 | Arathis | Do all PP players have a unique *.mi4? And have the other players similar files you can identify them with? ... a list would be nice :) ... |
20:48:58 | Llorean | WHAT is scattered? |
20:49:09 | * | Febs bangs his head against a brick wall. |
20:49:14 | illriginal | lol Febs |
20:49:15 | illriginal | brb |
20:49:21 | GodEater_ | Arathis: pretty much all of them except the iPod |
20:49:35 | dan_a | Arathis: A lot of them are called PP5022.mi4 |
20:49:40 | Llorean | All known PP players use MI4s outside the iPods, I believe. Well, known to us. |
20:50:09 | dan_a | The Sansa has either version.sdk or VERSION.TXT (or both) in the root |
20:51:07 | Arathis | I'm searching for something like the H10.mi4 I can search the mountpoints for |
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20:57:33 | Arathis | a unique file for each or at least most of the players |
20:58:08 | linuxstb | Could qtscrobbler's functionality be merged into rbutil? |
20:59:19 | Lear | The more I look, the more error-handling bugs I find in bookmark.c, it seems... :) |
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21:00:36 | amiconn | Bugs just seem to be everywhere |
21:01:06 | * | amiconn found one in lcd-remote-x5.c when doing the framebuffer width/height defines |
21:01:22 | amiconn | midkay_: svn has something for you |
21:01:55 | preglow | linuxstb: you know how many bytes the pp i2c interface can write/read in one go? |
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21:02:46 | linuxstb | preglow; I haven't looked at it since I copied and pasted it from IPL... |
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21:03:02 | preglow | ah, then that would be why multiple write is lacking altogether |
21:03:06 | preglow | i'll see about cleaning it up a bit |
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21:07:02 | scorche | g'day folks =) |
21:07:20 | preglow | does anyone know where to actually find the pcd50605 register numbers? i can't find them in any datasheet |
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21:07:27 | preglow | pcf <- |
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21:08:30 | Eimann | hm, is there a way with rocklinux to charge an ipod via usb and play music simultaneous |
21:08:31 | LinusN | preglow: they are in the data sheet |
21:08:35 | linuxstb | Page 108 - Register map ? |
21:08:44 | linuxstb | (8.23) |
21:08:57 | scorche | Eimann: rocklinux? |
21:08:59 | linuxstb | Eimann: What's rocklinux? |
21:09:02 | preglow | well, there we go! |
21:09:16 | n1s | Eimann: in rockbox you can hold MENU while connecting, dunno about rocklinux tho... |
21:09:55 | Eimann | aeh ... |
21:10:00 | Eimann | sorry, lack of sleep and caffeine |
21:10:03 | Eimann | rockbox ... |
21:10:27 | Eimann | n1s: thx :) |
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21:11:58 | preglow | LinusN: seems there is a bug with archos rtc alarm detection, resume on alarm works nice on my nano now |
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21:12:15 | preglow | if someone would care to donate me an archos fm rec... |
21:12:21 | Wincheste1 | ../tools/configure |
21:12:23 | Wincheste1 | gah |
21:12:25 | Wincheste1 | >_< |
21:12:38 | Wincheste1 | why that's arguably the stupidest thing I've done (wrong window) |
21:13:34 | preglow | Wincheste1: you've lead a sheltered life, then :> |
21:13:52 | LinusN | preglow: i'll try to fix that |
21:14:12 | Wincheste1 | well... confusing IRC for a terminal isn't exactly all that bright |
21:14:41 | LinusN | Wincheste1: we are certainly impressed :-) |
21:15:13 | busa_blade | is the rockboxui broken with svn? |
21:15:25 | preglow | LinusN: have a look at rtc_enable_alarm() too if you can be bothered, it seems like the return value is quite unnecessary. it seems like a platform dependent hack we won't really use on other targets anyway, so should be handled internally in the function like it is |
21:15:30 | Wincheste1 | anyway..... back to trying to compile .rock files alone |
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21:15:48 | webguest75 | Hey everyone. Interesting convo on organization. I don't get it, but hey what else is new. Anyway ... Is there a way to tel what svn revision number correlates to which daily build? |
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21:16:31 | preglow | LinusN: the one spot that calls the function ignores the return value anyway |
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21:16:40 | preglow | eh, the several spots that call the function :) |
21:16:40 | LinusN | preglow: i see |
21:16:41 | webguest75 | I'm doing some testing and want to download the source from before 02152007 |
21:16:58 | LinusN | preglow: i want to reform the alarm handling |
21:16:58 | linuxstb | webguest75: You can tell from the changelog. |
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21:17:34 | preglow | LinusN: not a bad idea |
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21:18:34 | LinusN | i want the alarm to generate a SYS_ALARM message (perhaps a broadcast) |
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21:18:54 | preglow | LinusN: not a bad idea at all |
21:19:12 | Wincheste1 | Mikachu: Hey, are you still here? |
21:19:13 | LinusN | and a cron thread that handles alarms and acts on them, allowing timed recordings |
21:19:29 | webguest75 | linuxstb: thnx |
21:19:30 | LinusN | whole sequences of them |
21:20:07 | LinusN | i guess the trick is how to detect the alarm on the ipod startup |
21:20:56 | preglow | well, yeah, i think i can do that reliably anyway |
21:21:15 | LinusN | by comparing the time and check if the wakeup enable bit is set? |
21:21:16 | amiconn | LinusN: /etc/crontab? ;) |
21:21:20 | LinusN | amiconn: :-) |
21:21:22 | preglow | rocktab! |
21:21:31 | LinusN | /.rockbox/crontab |
21:21:35 | preglow | by just checking the alarm time in the rtc regs and compare with current time in the rtc, and checking if the wake on alarm flag is set |
21:21:38 | LinusN | cronbox |
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21:21:48 | preglow | hahaha |
21:21:48 | preglow | that even sounds nice |
21:21:57 | amiconn | LinusN: That's the configuration plugin? ;) |
21:22:08 | LinusN | hehe |
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21:30:29 | Wincheste1 | does configure need to be run.... apart from the first time..... as in is it updated much? |
21:31:16 | preglow | no |
21:31:18 | preglow | seldom |
21:31:21 | preglow | but it does happen, mind you |
21:31:35 | preglow | when it does, you'll usually notice it as failed compiles |
21:31:48 | Wincheste1 | ok thanks |
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21:33:41 | preglow | would be cool if the makefile detected if configure is newer than itself |
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21:34:55 | preglow | wouldn't have to call it, just tell the user and then exit pending a rerun |
21:38:29 | Wincheste1 | suppose you'd notice it was updated when you run svn update anyway |
21:38:47 | preglow | if you're looking for it, then sure |
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21:38:54 | preglow | it's not that much of a bother anyway |
21:39:06 | preglow | i do remember a couple of people who had to be helped to it, though |
21:39:35 | Bagder | I do have a patch somewhere that does that |
21:39:48 | Wincheste1 | ooh commit =) |
21:39:54 | Wincheste1 | >.> |
21:40:27 | Bagder | I should dust it off and check how it works now |
21:41:01 | Wincheste1 | btw... what does dithering do? |
21:41:36 | preglow | ah, shit, i've forgotten to write the manual part on that |
21:41:48 | Wincheste1 | on what? O_o |
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21:42:20 | Wincheste1 | oh right |
21:43:06 | preglow | gimme a sec, i'll dig up a forum post i did |
21:43:12 | preglow | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7179.0 |
21:45:12 | Wincheste1 | is it battery draining? |
21:46:17 | preglow | read and it shall be revealed |
21:47:29 | Wincheste1 | ah I see |
21:47:35 | Wincheste1 | I am a bit inpatient that way |
21:48:16 | Wincheste1 | *impatient |
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21:49:28 | Wincheste1 | and since I don't understand half of the technical sound stuff I kind of zoned out while reading. |
21:49:56 | preglow | i can't make it any clearer |
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21:50:08 | Wincheste1 | no that's my fault there |
21:50:14 | preglow | there's even an audio example |
21:50:26 | preglow | which should demonstrate pretty clearly even if you don't get what is ays |
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21:51:37 | Wincheste1 | hmm.... turning it on and off.... can't tell the difference >.> |
21:51:53 | preglow | hehe |
21:51:59 | preglow | like i also say in the post, neither can i |
21:52:17 | preglow | it's strictly for the enthusiast, i'd say |
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21:52:34 | Wincheste1 | ah |
21:52:49 | Wincheste1 | and.... the replaygain thing..... don't the values need to be calculated first? |
21:53:02 | preglow | well, yeah, the files need to be scanned and tagged |
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21:53:49 | Wincheste1 | what's a linux app that can analyze and tag them..... since the volume levels of my mp3s are all over the place |
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22:01:47 | n1s | preglow: You _did_ in fact write a nice explanation of dithering and committed it to the manual. It's section 6.9 ;-) |
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22:02:01 | * | preglow is puzzled |
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22:02:38 | preglow | so it seems! |
22:03:05 | n1s | a language question regarding the lang cleanup, should we keep strings tat are not currently used but hopefully will be once we drop the sysfont only stuff in recording and various quick screens? |
22:04:05 | Bagder | imho, we should drop everything we don't currently use |
22:04:30 | n1s | Bagder: ok, it's not exacly hard to add them when needed again .-) |
22:04:35 | Bagder | exactly |
22:04:36 | n1s | gah :-) |
22:04:57 | Bagder | hah, no pun intended there actually |
22:06:26 | toffe | llorean : I come back with my problem of this mornig, I tired again using the graphical equalizer and sound distord and desappear, I deselect the equalizer, it cames back normal |
22:06:48 | toffe | I tried to use the preset equalizer and no problem |
22:07:49 | toffe | I switch to a preset equalizer after the sound became crappy, and it came back normal !! |
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22:08:35 | B123 | hey everyone. |
22:08:49 | B123 | Im new to rockbox, and i don't quite understand how to install a theme on it...anyhelp? |
22:10:12 | Bagder | B123: they're usually just a matter of unzipping |
22:10:26 | B123 | i unzipped it, and it looks nothing like it did in the preview. |
22:10:33 | B123 | it just turned the background green. |
22:13:05 | B123 | i could relaly use help |
22:13:17 | B123 | im not sure if i installed this right if it won't load a theme |
22:13:17 | Lear | The biggest difference is seen in the WPS screen. |
22:13:50 | Vulc4n | B123, : what player and theme? |
22:13:52 | Lear | The color change suggest it was loaded. You might lack the proper font though. |
22:14:03 | B123 | i just loaded the font |
22:14:11 | B123 | and it changed the font, but nothing relse relaly changed |
22:14:47 | Mikachu | B123: have you tried playing a song? |
22:15:21 | B123 | i put a song on my ipod's main folder, and it doesnt even show in the file browser. |
22:15:44 | B123 | I have a ipod Video 30gig 5G. |
22:15:56 | Vulc4n | and what theme are you trying to load? |
22:16:28 | B123 | its just called green5g |
22:16:31 | B123 | got it off the site |
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22:17:35 | Vulc4n | B123, that theme requires patches to work correctly |
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22:17:55 | B123 | i didnt know, like i said i just installed about 10 minuets ago =/ |
22:18:03 | Vulc4n | well, just saying |
22:18:10 | Vulc4n | it needs the julius patches applied to the build |
22:18:16 | Vulc4n | so look for an unofficial build to use |
22:18:53 | Vulc4n | http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/ |
22:19:02 | Vulc4n | there are the builds from julius |
22:21:01 | B123 | okay i just got a unoffical. |
22:21:17 | B123 | also how can i put my own images as backgrounds/ |
22:22:37 | midgey | copy them into .rockbox/backdrops |
22:23:02 | Wincheste1 | does HZ represent 1 second? |
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22:23:29 | Bagder | Wincheste1: yes |
22:23:40 | Bagder | number of "ticks" during one second |
22:23:42 | Wincheste1 | and..... no standard librarys are supported? |
22:23:49 | scorche | well, one per second |
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22:25:01 | Bagder | Wincheste1: correct, but the rockbox functions do mimic posix to some extent |
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22:25:32 | Wincheste1 | ok thanks |
22:26:10 | midkay_ | amiconn: thanks! |
22:27:30 | webguest55 | hi, newbie here, can i ask which files i need to retain when unzipping a daily build to my iRiver H340 so my preferences, etc. don't get ovewritten? tx |
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22:28:00 | Mikachu | webguest55: the zip doesn't contain any preferences, so it won't overwrite anything of the sort |
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22:29:03 | webguest55 | oh ok thanks |
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22:31:53 | webguest55 | as a matter of interest where do things like preferences / settings get saved on the device? |
22:32:14 | n1s | in /.rockbox/config.cfg |
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22:33:59 | webguest55 | my device doesn't seem to have a config.cfg file |
22:34:23 | dan_a | Darn it! I can't persuade the DMA controller on the Sansa to transfer more than 16 words of data to the flash :( |
22:34:25 | n1s | webguest55: do you see the .rockbox dir |
22:34:49 | webguest55 | i do yeah, contains 5 files + the subdirs |
22:34:49 | scorche | dan_a: shall i get out the butane torch? |
22:35:27 | dan_a | scorche: Sledgehammer, I think. |
22:35:33 | Bagder | webguest55: are you using a somewhat older rockbox version? |
22:35:39 | webguest55 | .glyphcache, .playlist.control, most-recent.bmark, tagnavi.config, viewers.config |
22:36:09 | webguest55 | i'm using rockbox-h300-20070112.zip |
22:36:33 | scorche | dan_a: but that is a more permanent solution...we can use the torch to persuade it a bit harsher without killing the sap which would only hold us up even further... |
22:36:35 | Bagder | webguest55: then your version is still saving the config in sector 61 on your disk |
22:37:18 | webguest55 | ok thanks bagder |
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22:37:35 | Bagder | we've changed the way configs are saved since then |
22:37:58 | webguest55 | i'll update to today's daily build later |
22:38:20 | Wincheste1 | Does anyone know some C website/guide/tutorial applicable to rb.... as in ones which don't refer to std includes? |
22:38:36 | Bagder | Wincheste1: most "std includes" exist in rockbox |
22:39:15 | Wincheste1 | but... but... "Wincheste1: and..... no standard librarys are supported?" |
22:39:26 | Bagder | includes are not libraries |
22:39:44 | Wincheste1 | *blank look* back to the C books then |
22:39:50 | Bagder | hehe |
22:40:11 | * | bluebrother can really recommend "C in a nutshell" |
22:40:32 | Wincheste1 | thanks bluebrother |
22:40:46 | bluebrother | but it's more a reference than a teaching book. |
22:41:07 | bluebrother | anyone here familiar with prices for used ipods? |
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22:41:25 | bluebrother | I'm wondering if 85EUR is a good price for an ipod mini |
22:41:28 | * | petur learned from the white bible |
22:41:35 | Wincheste1 | ok.... right now I am reading " A first book of ANSI C: Fundamentals of C programming" which seems a good enough teaching book |
22:41:42 | * | Bagder learned from examples and man pages |
22:42:49 | Wincheste1 | meh.... I'll be doing electrical and systems engineering soon.... so I guess I'll learn all that anyway |
22:43:00 | * | bluebrother learned a lot from K&R after starting with examples and short tutorials |
22:43:19 | Wincheste1 | and what's the white bible? |
22:43:51 | bluebrother | Wincheste1: depends on ... I'm doing electricial engineering here. Noone has tought programming |
22:43:53 | Wincheste1 | should've never went near VB and went straight to C >_< |
22:44:03 | * | scorche learned the same way Bagder learned....except, i am still learning ;) |
22:44:15 | Wincheste1 | Pretty sure C/C++ is part of the course |
22:44:19 | Wincheste1 | or it might be just Matlab |
22:44:28 | midgey | Wincheste1: im a first year engineer and we did Matlab and C++ |
22:44:37 | bluebrother | at least not at uni −− except for that C++ course in the first semester, which even didn't include the basic concepts of OOP |
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22:44:52 | midgey | thats how our course was too |
22:44:52 | dan_a | Bagder: Would you mind asking MrH some things about the Sansa DMA - should I be able to ignore the FIFO controller, and where he talks about "size" in his document is that in 16 bit words? |
22:45:15 | Wincheste1 | meh.... guess i'll find out next week.... when uni starts\ |
22:45:27 | Wincheste1 | I know Matlab is there for sure.... don't know about C |
22:45:38 | * | midgey will be on spring break then :) |
22:45:54 | bluebrother | there's lots of Matlab here, but I managed to do different stuff ;-) |
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22:46:21 | midgey | honestly, i just jumped right into rockbox; I had never done C before |
22:46:52 | Wincheste1 | midgey: that was the plan.... until I looked at the code O_o |
22:46:55 | Vulc4n | I want to get involved in the project |
22:46:56 | bluebrother | I'm doing C at uni these days, I'm only lacking the time to work on RB :( |
22:47:01 | Vulc4n | but its so overwhelming |
22:47:17 | midgey | Wincheste1: start with looking at plugins |
22:47:19 | x1jmp | rb made me reading K&R |
22:47:22 | Wincheste1 | btw.... is Matlab syntax based or comparable to something? |
22:47:24 | preglow | Vulc4n: take your time, work on something you like, ask when you're puzzled and send us a patch when you're done |
22:47:28 | preglow | in short: take your time |
22:47:34 | bluebrother | Vulc4n: you can help out with the manual −− it's a bit "smaller" than the C code ;-) |
22:47:38 | Vulc4n | I do java mainly |
22:47:41 | bluebrother | (that's how I got involved) |
22:47:46 | Vulc4n | but learning new syntax shouldn't take long |
22:47:51 | Llorean | Vulc4n: There are always non-code things to do. |
22:47:58 | Vulc4n | I can do graphics for sure |
22:48:00 | * | bluebrother learned to hate Java the last weeks |
22:48:06 | Vulc4n | I hate java |
22:48:11 | Llorean | While I disagree with where whasisname earlier felt the problems lay, the wiki does always need work. |
22:48:11 | Vulc4n | but its what is being taught |
22:48:12 | bluebrother | C and Java have different concepts ... |
22:48:16 | Vulc4n | so I don't have much choice |
22:48:17 | Wincheste1 | K&R? |
22:48:44 | bluebrother | The C "bible" −− "The C programming language" by Kerninghan & Ritchie |
22:48:56 | Wincheste1 | ah |
22:49:05 | Wincheste1 | sounds..... long. |
22:49:12 | Shaid | I have that somewhere. |
22:49:16 | preglow | the book isn't that long |
22:49:22 | Shaid | I think I lent it out and never got it back though. |
22:49:32 | Wincheste1 | heh..... happens. |
22:49:33 | Mikachu | C is pretty simple, imo you don't need to read a book to learn it :) |
22:49:55 | Wincheste1 | btw.... do any parts of RB use assembly? |
22:49:56 | bluebrother | it's a bit hard to read if you don't know programming languages, but imo it's one of the best for C |
22:50:06 | bluebrother | Wincheste1: yes. |
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22:50:14 | bluebrother | time critical stuff. |
22:50:21 | Shaid | like the codecs |
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22:51:15 | Wincheste1 | ok.... I had this crazy idea to try to learn assembly once..... it scared me. |
22:51:40 | Vulc4n | haha |
22:51:46 | Wincheste1 | read so much but never got past CPU registers and memory managment |
22:51:50 | Mikachu | Wincheste1: it's pretty much a different language for each cpu |
22:52:00 | Mikachu | there are similarities of course |
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22:52:06 | Wincheste1 | yeah..... all the opcodes or whatever it was |
22:52:26 | midgey | im attempting to learn assembly now |
22:52:36 | midgey | well, i have to for a class |
22:52:45 | Mikachu | what arch? |
22:52:53 | midgey | made up |
22:53:00 | Mikachu | how... pointless :) |
22:53:07 | midgey | i agree |
22:53:08 | Shaid | haha |
22:53:10 | petur | start with the basics of structured programming, that's all the same for all languages: if-else-then, while, for,... |
22:53:27 | Shaid | atleast they could teach you something silly like HC11 if nothing else. |
22:54:17 | Vulc4n | I'm not sure what I'm goign to be doing |
22:54:25 | Vulc4n | in college I eman |
22:54:34 | Vulc4n | I haven't decided yet |
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22:55:06 | Wincheste1 | hmm.... now I am actually looking forward to uni to learn all this stuff.... though first year is almost entierly maths and physics |
22:55:28 | Shaid | Egh. |
22:55:30 | Shaid | Been there done that. |
22:55:51 | Wincheste1 | ah and business.... since I am doing Electrical Engineering/Business Managment |
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22:56:46 | Wincheste1 | anyway.... I'll stop procrastinating and go read >.> |
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22:57:42 | petur | what about those xyz in 21 days books? |
22:58:17 | * | petur will now study the influence of beer on code writing |
22:58:35 | Mikachu | i think preglow has some experience in that area |
22:58:43 | Wincheste1 | lol |
22:58:45 | Shaid | haha |
22:59:17 | Mikachu | grep -E preglow.\*beer \#rockbox.log|wc -l |
22:59:17 | Mikachu | 80 |
22:59:32 | Bagder | haha |
22:59:36 | petur | and /me ? |
22:59:53 | Mikachu | only 52 |
22:59:56 | petur | bah |
23:00 |
23:00:04 | Mikachu | but you have "connection reset by beer" as a quitmessage |
23:00:16 | petur | yep |
23:00:20 | petur | on fridays |
23:00:32 | bluebrother | hmm. If I have a shebang pointing to bash, and run the script with dash (i.e. dash <script>) it will be interpreted by dash or not? |
23:00:45 | bluebrother | hehe. Nice quit message. |
23:00:53 | Mikachu | bluebrother: by dash |
23:01:02 | Mikachu | the shell sees the #-line as a comment |
23:01:09 | Mikachu | that's why it has a # in the first place |
23:01:14 | bluebrother | ok, that's what I expected. |
23:01:18 | Wincheste1 | what would be some of the ways to optimize battery time for the ipod? |
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23:01:26 | bluebrother | just wasn't 100% sure |
23:01:28 | B123 | Okay i installed the unoffical firm. |
23:01:35 | B123 | and it still won't load the theme right |
23:01:38 | B123 | what am i doing wrong? |
23:01:54 | XavierGr | damn sometimes I wish I used more linux to understand that cool linux jokes :P |
23:01:59 | bluebrother | B123: installed the fonts package? |
23:02:10 | B123 | No. |
23:02:14 | bluebrother | cool linux joke? |
23:02:19 | Mikachu | what joke? |
23:02:26 | bluebrother | B123: then do it. The manual strongly advises you to do so |
23:02:34 | bluebrother | as otherwise a lot of themes will look broken |
23:02:35 | B123 | Where do i put it once i download it. |
23:02:45 | bluebrother | read the manual, it's stated there |
23:02:51 | Vulc4n | anyone using the mediamonkey alpha? |
23:03:00 | XavierGr | well I didn't get the greping command on preglow and beer... (I don't know all these switches) |
23:03:15 | Mikachu | XavierGr: it just gives the number of lines where preglow said something about beer |
23:03:25 | XavierGr | see :D |
23:03:29 | Mikachu | or me saying something about him and beer, which i do quite often ;) |
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23:03:57 | bluebrother | fine-tune the grep line so it only gets lines with preglow actually speaking ;-) |
23:04:23 | B123 | okay |
23:04:28 | B123 | i read the manual it just says i need to do it |
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23:04:33 | B123 | i dont see where to put it |
23:04:50 | Mikachu | bluebrother: down to 62 then :) |
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23:05:32 | Wincheste1 | should rb->lcd_set_foreground(LCD_BLACK); and then lcd_update theoretically make the screen go black? |
23:05:46 | Wincheste1 | *set_background |
23:05:56 | Mikachu | Wincheste1: i don't think so, no |
23:06:04 | bluebrother | B123: just extract it to the device, the fonts itself should then end up in /.rockbox/fonts |
23:06:05 | Mikachu | it just states that text printed from then on will be black |
23:06:11 | bluebrother | (unsurprisingly) |
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23:06:24 | Wincheste1 | so what does lcd_set_background do exactly? |
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23:06:48 | bluebrother | Kasperle: around? |
23:06:53 | Mikachu | i think it only takes effect if there isn't a backdrop image set |
23:07:04 | B123 | alright |
23:07:04 | B123 | i did |
23:07:09 | B123 | let me take it out and see how it worked |
23:07:44 | busa_blade | anyone know of the rockboxui is broken? |
23:08:13 | Wincheste1 | oh nvrm.... now it works |
23:08:29 | bluebrother | busa_blade: no ... works fine for me. Which device are you referring to? |
23:08:31 | B123 | okay |
23:08:33 | amiconn | Wincheste1: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=GraphicsAPI |
23:08:40 | B123 | i installed it. and now i jus thave a ton of fonts to choose from |
23:08:47 | bluebrother | anyone with BSD around? |
23:08:49 | busa_blade | rockboxui for gigabeat |
23:09:37 | * | bluebrother goes compiling that version |
23:09:37 | pixelma | what do you exactly mean by broken? |
23:09:43 | Bagder | busa_blade: so what happens? |
23:10:03 | Wincheste1 | thanks amiconn |
23:10:19 | busa_blade | when i use the plugins... it says incompatible version |
23:10:32 | bluebrother | reinstall with make install |
23:11:21 | B123 | I still can't figure this out. I installed the font pack and everything but the background image will stiill not show up and everything is in plain text. |
23:11:55 | bluebrother | Rockbox _is_ text. No fancy icons (some small ones, not really fancy only) |
23:12:22 | busa_blade | forgot about that part... sorry |
23:12:30 | * | busa_blade smacks self upside of head |
23:12:47 | B123 | Okay. well this is the theme i want http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/08/jclix-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html |
23:12:48 | bluebrother | beware of forehead! ;-) |
23:12:55 | B123 | I can't seem to get it to work, someone please help me. |
23:13:04 | bluebrother | B123: I bet that needs an unsupported build |
23:13:17 | B123 | I have his newest Jbuild. |
23:13:42 | B123 | When i get the theme file, where do i unzip it to? |
23:13:54 | Shaid | your rockbox dir |
23:14:15 | B123 | just in the .rockbox. |
23:14:19 | bluebrother | depends on the theme file. |
23:14:23 | Shaid | yes |
23:14:30 | Shaid | for jclix it goes in the .rockbox dir |
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23:14:35 | Shaid | it puts bits in a few places, you see |
23:14:54 | bluebrother | usually the zip should include the .rockbox folder as highest level. In that case directly to the player. If not, into .rockbox |
23:16:07 | x1jmp | Does someone have an opened iriver hdd? |
23:16:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
23:17:03 | bluebrother | Kasperle: in case you read this: does svnversion.sh work if you enclose the sometimes empty variable in double quotes? I.e. line 22 starts with if [ "$SVNALT" != exported ]; |
23:17:27 | B123 | I extracted the files |
23:17:30 | B123 | to where you said |
23:17:35 | B123 | now how do i apply them on my ipod |
23:17:55 | Shaid | just select it under themes in the menu in rockbox after you boot up |
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23:18:09 | B123 | its oddly not there =. |
23:18:16 | Shaid | strange |
23:18:49 | Bagder | bluebrother: I think traditionally in sh scripts they compare like "x$SVNALT" != xexported to avoid the no string case |
23:18:56 | B123 | now you see why i am comming to ask for help =D |
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23:19:30 | Bagder | although I'm not sure exactly what sh versions that would require that "hack" |
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23:19:40 | B123 | No matter what i choose the background stays just a plain shade of black |
23:19:43 | B123 | and idont understand it |
23:19:58 | bluebrother | bash and dash seem to work fine with it |
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23:20:30 | Bagder | yes, that hack would probably only be needed for like very oldish sunos sh and such |
23:20:37 | B123 | So anyone have any ideas? |
23:20:53 | Shaid | not me |
23:21:12 | B123 | should i maybe reinstall a build |
23:21:13 | bluebrother | but I'm wondering if it would work when putting the variable in quotes so the empty variable gets "" |
23:21:43 | Bagder | bluebrother: I believe it will work on most sh versions |
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23:24:26 | B123 | can someone please help me out with why my background's are not loading correctly |
23:24:53 | B123 | and whenever i load a plugin it fails. |
23:25:02 | B123 | I tihnk i maybe installed wrong. |
23:25:02 | B123 | possible? |
23:25:30 | petur | B123: 1) must be BMP, 2) must be exact LCD size, 3) must be in .rockbox/backdrops |
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23:26:06 | B123 | im tihnking that is correct. because its a theme i downloaded, just my themes will not load! |
23:26:06 | B123 | nor my plugins |
23:27:07 | bluebrother | how do your plugins "not load"? |
23:27:35 | Kasperle | bluebrother: one sec |
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23:27:56 | B123 | When i click on them it says |
23:27:58 | B123 | cannot load plugin |
23:28:41 | Shaid | I think you might've installed something wrong |
23:28:45 | * | petur discovers the wrong song is written in scrobbler.log :( |
23:28:47 | bluebrother | I don't know of any message that simply says "cannot load". So can you be a bit more precise? |
23:28:57 | B123 | thats pretty much what it says. |
23:29:05 | Shaid | Actually, O |
23:29:05 | B123 | cannot load plugin ""path"" |
23:29:10 | B123 | did i install wrong? |
23:29:20 | Shaid | possibly. |
23:29:27 | bluebrother | how are you trying to run the plugin? As viewer? |
23:29:28 | B123 | how should i go about reinstalling |
23:29:29 | Shaid | you did unpack it with pathnames, right? |
23:29:39 | preglow | linuxstb: is the sf cvs still the place to get the ipl kernel? |
23:29:40 | Shaid | delete the .rockbox folder |
23:30:01 | Shaid | and then reunpack rockbox onto your ipod |
23:30:08 | Shaid | or whichever device you've got |
23:30:14 | Shaid | I'm assuming it's a colour iPod though |
23:31:03 | Kasperle | bluebrother: http://pastebin.ca/365387 |
23:31:38 | B123 | yes it is |
23:31:43 | B123 | ill dlete it all and start over i suppose |
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23:32:54 | B123 | I wounder what i could have done wrong =./ |
23:33:10 | * | Shaid shrugs |
23:33:20 | Shaid | somehow not unpacked with the correct directory structure? |
23:34:37 | preglow | doesn't seem like much has happened to ipl... |
23:34:52 | bluebrother | Kasperle: nice. So does this work on bsd? http://pastebin.ca/365392 |
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23:35:35 | bluebrother | B123: as you seem to have installed the bootloader correctly you could try using rbutil. There's a binary somewhere in the wiki |
23:35:45 | busa_blade | is there are reason there isn't a jpeg library? (just wondering) |
23:36:05 | Bagder | bun-bun: because there is a jpeg plugin |
23:36:14 | Bagder | hm, that was to busa_blade |
23:36:20 | Shaid | cute. |
23:37:11 | busa_blade | would there be room to create a general purpose jpeg plugin so that the image viewer could become general purpose? |
23:37:16 | busa_blade | or would that be too much? |
23:37:47 | Bagder | the existing plugin could indeed be extended to view more formats, imho |
23:37:59 | bluebrother | make format plugins to the jpeg plugins ;-) |
23:39:10 | bluebrother | would be nice to preview bmp files, indeed. |
23:39:40 | busa_blade | just wondering because I was thinking about adding it in... but wanted to get some feedback first... I submitted a patch about it the week b4 last |
23:39:50 | Kasperle | bluebrother: the patch didn't work, but i merged the changes by hand and the resulting script seems to work fine |
23:39:51 | * | petur has deja-vu on discussing multi-format viewer |
23:40:05 | Kasperle | bluebrother: do you still need the "r" prefix, though? |
23:40:29 | Kasperle | bluebrother: e.g. ' |
23:40:31 | Kasperle | argl |
23:40:47 | Kasperle | 'then SVNVER=r`svnversion $1`;', 'if [ "$SVNVER" = "rexported" ]; ', ... |
23:41:51 | bluebrother | ok, if the quotes don't work we can simply use the r-trick you posted. |
23:42:15 | bluebrother | I hoped this would work too. At least I learned something new ;-) |
23:42:16 | Kasperle | bluebrother: nono, the quotes work, your patch just didn't apply cleanly |
23:42:45 | bluebrother | oh. |
23:42:50 | Kasperle | bluebrother: your new version is fine. i was just wondering why you still have some "r-tricks" left in that script |
23:43:19 | bluebrother | just historically −− didn't wanted to change too much |
23:43:36 | bluebrother | but while I'm at it I can change that too. |
23:44:37 | Kasperle | maybe people would like to keep the "r" in the version number though, so you could prepend it in the end ;) |
23:45:08 | Mikachu | svn revisions are usually written with an r for revision in front |
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23:52:57 | Kasperle | bluebrother: so you could still just prefix the "r" in the VERSION=... line. it's a cosmetic change, but still a bit "cleaner" ;) |
23:53:52 | linuxstb | reglo |
23:54:04 | linuxstb | ignore that^ |
23:54:37 | linuxstb | preglow: AFAIK, the ipl kernel is still in cvs at sf. And you're right - there's been almost no kernel development for months. |