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#rockbox log for 2007-03-04

00:00:08decayedcelliPod 5G, but I can't build it if it doesn't patch
00:01:25Soapodd, that is the start of the second half of what I changed, I don't see what's wrong. I also built for a 5G and didn't have that error pop up.
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00:02:27decayedcellerror whilst patching
00:02:51SoapI even reverted and then repatched to check.
00:03:05decayedcellwell i just downloaded a fresh source
00:03:12decayedcelland i got the same error again
00:03:14decayedcell*baffled*
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00:03:58Soapshooting in the dark here - did you do a "svn up" when you got the fresh source?
00:04:30Soapor did you wipe your rockbox directory and get the whole thing from scratch?
00:07:26decayedcellwipe
00:07:30decayedcellthen svn co
00:08:05decayedcellwhat's even more puzzling is that line 366 merely says Index: firmware/export/pp5020.h
00:11:59SoapSomeone with more knowledge than me is going to have to set me straight. I don't see what is wrong, and it worked here.
00:12:21decayedcellI think I'll just try manual code injection
00:14:09peturhahaha I'm testing a patch for a possible issue I can't reproduce, and my fix actually causes it to happen :/ - anybody with knowledge about h300 backlight and remotes around?
00:14:18decayedcell-#define CPU_INT_STAT (*(volatile unsigned long*)(0xcf001000))
00:14:19decayedcell-#define CPU_INT_EN (*(volatile unsigned long*)(0xcf001024))
00:14:19decayedcell-#define CPU_INT_CLR (*(volatile unsigned long*)(0xcf001028))
00:14:31decayedcellhow come these three lines are removed in 11.3, but aren't in 11.2
00:14:41decayedcellthis is in pp5002.h
00:15:28Soapahh poop, I know I forgot to paste something,
00:15:42SoapI fucked it all up
00:16:48decayedcellyou're missing 3 lines
00:16:49decayedcellrofl
00:17:07decayedcellit just so happens if you remove the minuses from the above three lines
00:17:13decayedcell@@ -70,9 +70,12 @@ matches up
00:17:15Soapyea, 1/3rd of what needed synced
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00:22:58decayedcellso Soap, figured out what is missing?
00:23:30Soapyou mean the malformed bit?
00:23:39decayedcellyeah
00:24:08decayedcelleven after removing the "-" from the above three lines doesn't get rid of that malformed error hmm
00:29:48decayedcelldone
00:29:49decayedcellfixed it
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00:38:09Soapdecayedcell: I was going to ask if you wanted to try one for me.
00:38:11Soapbut oh well.
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00:41:04Ranbeehi, my mum gave me her ipod video. i've never got it working though on my computer - linux. i don't know anything about ipods, but can someone tell me if rockbox works ok on a 60gig ipod video, please?
00:41:12Soapit does
00:41:28Soapdecayedcell: ok, now we got that - let's do a fun one!
00:41:34Ranbeegreat, thanks, i'll try and get it all working now xD
00:41:48Soap#5594 needs the menu entries reworked for the new menu system.
00:42:21Soapand when I say reworked, I mean rewritten.
00:42:41decayedcellhmm
00:43:27decayedcellwell er, how about you do the writing Soap, and uh, I'll do the testing xD
00:45:47*petur wonders why doing GPIO_READ while in the recording screen could cause huge backlight delays
00:46:22decayedcellhmm just noticed some spelling errors in the TP Diffenbach patch get_ipod_scroll_wheel_acceration_and_cps
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00:55:28Ranbeehi, is this the correct download for my ipod 60gb video? - http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip
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00:55:37decayedcellyep
00:55:40Ranbeethanks
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00:57:40Soapdon't forget the fonts.
01:00
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01:00:58LloreanJdGordon: As far as I'm concerned, the "Menu" button should summon, and banish, the root menu. Basically, if you use the Menu button to bring up the root menu, pressing it again should return you to where you called it from.
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01:01:27LloreanJdGordon: Much like the settings menu worked prior to it.
01:01:47JdGordonhmm... i guess that could work
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01:02:55LloreanIt's what most people expect to happen when they press menu a second time.
01:05:47dionoealike pressing the menu button when in the settings screen would take you back to the WPS ?
01:05:53dionoeathat doesn't work anymore :/
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01:07:25Ranbeewhen i unpack the fonts archive it's in a directory called .rockbox, i can't mv that .rockbox directory to the ipod root folder because i moved the other firmware directory called .rockbox there already :| so does the fonts directory go inside the .rockbox firmware directory?
01:08:04decayedcellyou can't overwrite?
01:08:20decayedcellthe folders inside .rockbox in the fonts package go inside the .rockbox folder on the ipod
01:08:28linuxstbJust unzip it directly there - i.e. "unzip rockbox-fonts.zip -d /mnt/ipod/"
01:09:01Ranbeedecayedcell: ok thanks, i was just abit confused as it said move it to the root directory. i'll put it in the .rockbox one. thanks.
01:10:12Kasperleeasiest would be to go to the ipod root directory, and just run "unzip /path/to/whereverthefontsare.zip"
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01:22:04RanbeeWHOOP i got it working XD thanks for the help :D
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01:28:49Ranbeeim stuck in asteroids :| is there an easy way to stop playing the game and go back to the menu?
01:30:09decayedcellselect + menu?
01:31:12Stalwartroot menu is awesome
01:31:22Stalwartit's exactly what i missed in rockbox
01:31:56Ranbeei just killed myself. i'll try it out next time. thanks. it's great, i love it already. i'm going to try and put some podcasts on it. is there a program in linux that works well with rockbox?
01:32:41Ranbeei'm going to read the manual too now as well...
01:33:20decayedcellSoap, cop patch needs updating again haha
01:33:27barrywardellsorry!
01:33:34decayedcellnvm i'll do it
01:33:37barrywardellit's an easy update though
01:33:47Soapit was before but I managed to foul it up.
01:33:56Soap:(
01:34:06Soapleast I know what I did wrong, now, though.
01:36:09Kasperlecop support for the ipod?
01:36:22Soapwhat are the implications of "#define CONFIG_USBOTG USBOTG_ARC" in config-ipodvideo.h ?
01:36:33Stalwartwhat's cop?
01:36:42Soapthe CoProcessor
01:38:17barrywardellSoap: not much for the moment
01:38:30decayedcellfunnily enough, some of the interrupts in the cop patch are in SVN already
01:39:07barrywardellthat's because I just committed them, along with a load more that weren't in it
01:39:11Ranbeei got one last question - does the back light use alot of battery? i want to make it stay on for 10 secs instead of 5.
01:39:19SoapRanbee: yes
01:39:30Ranbeeoh, ill leave it then, thanks
01:39:41Soapbut I don't think 5 seconds here and there will kill you.
01:39:48Soap(5 seconds additional)
01:40:14Ranbeeyeap, thanks :) it's great!
01:42:19Soapso, barrywardell, can you (if you want to) explain what the #defines you added from IPL's wiki are supposed to/will do?
01:43:22barrywardellwell, a lot of those address were already used in Rockbox code, but with no explanation of what they were for
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01:43:52barrywardelland some more will be useful in the future (eg. cop int ones)
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01:44:32barrywardellthey don't change the resulting binary, just make the code easier to read
01:46:41decayedcellupdated
01:46:46Stalwarti'd like to see ipods suspending
01:46:51decayedcelllol just ran another svn up seems like another update
01:47:56Stalwartdoes ipod's suspend is hardware or software?
01:48:31Stalwarti mean, does firmware needs to reinit all hardware to continue running after waking up?
01:49:26decayedcellhmm maybe it suspends to the firmware partition
01:49:43decayedcelle.g. the 96MB firmware partition on the 5/5.5G iPods
01:49:52decayedcellnot all of it is used up by the firmware itself
01:50:10decayedcellso it might dump the current state of the iPod onto this partition iono
01:52:13linuxstbThe ipods do three things - sleep, hibernate and power-off. Sleep just runs in a very low-power mode and hibernate writes the RAM to the firmware partition and (I assume) powers off.
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01:58:08markunhi HoffmannP, how's the ZVM project coming along?
01:59:21SoapOk, here is the dumbest question of the year:
01:59:52SoapWhat does make veryclean do which is more or less than me just rm ing the build directory's contents?
02:00
02:00:57JdGordonit rm's to tools dir as well
02:01:52Soapdumb question #2 = what are the implications of that?
02:02:40SoapI normally just delete my build directory and make it again, or use a new build directory every build. I don't know how dumb that pratice is.
02:02:59linuxstbI rarely do a make clean.
02:03:14JdGordonmake veryclean is almost never really needed
02:03:29linuxstbOnly if I do things like svn revert, which will change the timestamps of the files into the past, confusing make.
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02:04:42Soapwhat do I want to do to maximize ccache?
02:04:51Soaps/what/which
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02:06:15JdGordonits either on or off isnt it?
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02:07:12SoapI was afraid that possibly by using a new directory every time I was "fooling" ccache
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02:11:12Ranbeecan i make a directory called podcasts in my ipod root directory, then cp files to it after i've mounted it? or do i need to make somekind of database text file? i've never managed to get any software working with my ipod.
02:11:24Ranbee*copy
02:11:56MirrorImageI can't get my podcasts to appear in my podcast folder :<
02:12:27MirrorImageOn my ipod
02:13:07LloreanRanbee: Yes, you can just cp files over.
02:13:18LloreanMirrorImage: If you're referring to the retail firmware, that has nothing to do with Rockbox.
02:13:21RanbeeLlorean: great, thanks xD
02:13:24MirrorImageOh I know.
02:13:31MirrorImageI was just saying.
02:16:35HoffmannPUps, sorry, was lockingon other channel, have some Wlan-problems
02:17:37HoffmannPmarkun: the zvm project, hm, lets say we are developing our plan for the success but we didn't have taken any further steps. We are still in the progress of dissambeling, collecting and scanning.
02:18:41Ranbeethanks everyone. i can't believe how good rockbox is, i've never got my ipod working before i installed rockbox, now it works perfectly WHOOP
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03:38:27timberwolf19hi, I need major help!
03:38:47timberwolf19you see, I installed rockbox on an ipod video
03:39:15timberwolf19now, when I disconnected, I got "loading rockbox bootloader...missing partition"
03:39:44timberwolf19what do I do now?
03:39:57MirrorImageWell.
03:40:21MirrorImageIf I'm the only one active, I can't be much help, but I have rockbox on my ipod video, so I'll give it a shot.
03:40:29Lloreantimberwolf19: Which type of iPod Video?
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03:41:00timberwolf19ok
03:41:08timberwolf19do you have msn messinger? that would be much easier for me
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03:41:38MirrorImageIt's just as easy, if not easier, in irc, unless you're like using a java webchat.
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03:41:43timberwolf19the_conman283@hotmail.com
03:42:02timberwolf19no, with a screen reader its a bit hard, it combines the things you say with the users who are logged on
03:42:09timberwolf19I need a better script
03:42:14decayedcellthis channel is logged, probably not a good idea to disclose your email here
03:42:28MirrorImageBit too late for that.
03:42:33timberwolf19oh err
03:42:37decayedcellaye lol
03:42:45timberwolf19um
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03:46:20timberwolf19so
03:46:37timberwolf19what does it mean when you connect the ipod video to the pc, and it starts immitting beeping sounds?
03:46:50decayedcellmust be something wrong there
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03:47:15timberwolf19oh, wonderful...
03:47:31Soaptimberwolf19, are you Tyler Wood from the mailing list?
03:47:31timberwolf19I'm kinda in a minor panic, if you know what I mean...
03:47:41timberwolf19yes I am
03:47:58SoapLlorean: timberwolf19 has a 30GB video.
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03:48:30timberwolf19yes, I'm tyler wood
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03:48:46Soaptimberwolf19: you mentioned in your last email message that you pressed play and select hoping to get it into disk mode.
03:48:50timberwolf19yes
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03:49:05timberwolf19I'm not sure if it did or not, but the pc gave me the sign it was connected
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03:49:16Soaptimberwolf19: If the ipod is frozen while trying to boot Rockbox, the key-combo will not work at that time.
03:49:19decayedcellwell if its connected
03:49:25decayedcellthe iPod could be in recovery mode
03:49:31timberwolf19well, how do I unfreeze it/reset it?
03:49:32decayedcellif you open iTunes you might be able to restore it
03:49:41decayedcellselect + menu
03:49:44timberwolf19I don't have itunes on this machine
03:49:53MirrorImageGet it.
03:49:58MirrorImageIt'll make it a lot easier.
03:50:04*decayedcell nods
03:50:19timberwolf19ok, hold on. let me go get the disk. as of now, it won't connect
03:50:35*timberwolf19 cringes in terror
03:50:38Soaptimberwolf19: you need to press Select + Menu until the ipod resets, you should be able to feel the hard drive pause, then restart spinning when it reboots. As soon as it starts to reboot, then you press Select + Play to enter disk mode.
03:50:39decayedcellwell using the latest iTunes would be desirable
03:51:12timberwolf19er, hold on a second
03:51:14saratogais there some page out there describing how the ipod retail software was originally reverse engineered by the ipl people?
03:51:46decayedcellsaratoga maybe on the dev blog?
03:51:50timberwolf19from an idle posision, the hard drive just spun up.
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03:53:48timberwolf19ok, I just pressec select+play- and connected. No sound from the pc, nor is it in my computer
03:55:13decayedcelldoes it say please do not disconnect
03:55:45timberwolf19I don't know, I don't have sighted assistance around...
03:56:18decayedcellon the actual iPod does it say please do not disconnect
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03:57:44timberwolf19I don't have sighted assistance around...hold on a second. I just got some. Its a blank screen...argh!
03:58:36decayedcellokay so the iPod is connected to the computer now?
03:59:11timberwolf19yes
03:59:25decayedcellk the hold menu + select for 5 seconds, wait for it to reboot
03:59:40decayedcellwhen the Apple logo comes up on the black screen, hold menu + play and see if it boots into disk mode
04:00
04:01:02timberwolf19ok, I pressed select+menu for five seconds. No hard drive spin-up...
04:02:17decayedcellthen hold down select + menu until it reboots
04:02:28decayedcellif it doesn't reboot then you're in strife
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04:02:58timberwolf19ok, you mean the 12:00 posision on the click wheel and the button in the middle, right, when the ipod is facing you headphone connector at the upper right-hand side?
04:03:36decayedcellyeah the Menu button is labelled
04:03:41decayedcellthe select button is the middle one
04:04:34decayedcellyeah 12:00 position
04:04:46decayedcellclosest to under the screen
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04:08:02timberwolf19ok
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04:08:23timberwolf19should it be connected to the pc?
04:08:55decayedcellit doesn't matter in the reboot process, however, if its connected then you can boot it into disk mode and then hopefully restore it
04:09:11decayedcell(that is if it reboots by holding menu + select)
04:09:28timberwolf19ok, it rebooted with it disconnected from the pc.
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04:09:47decayedcellokay then try connecting it to the PC now and rebooting it
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04:10:30timberwolf19absolutely nothing happens
04:10:53decayedcellthat's strange, it should reboot regardless if its connected to the PC or not
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04:11:51decayedcellokay then, reboot it without connecting it to the PC
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04:12:13decayedcellwhen you feel the hard drive spin up, hold menu + play
04:12:28rbrito_Hi there...
04:12:28decayedcellplay is on the opposite side of the scroll wheel to the menu button
04:12:51rbrito_I have two devices where I would like to try rockbox on.
04:13:01decayedcellthen timberwolf19, connect the iPod to the PC
04:13:03MirrorImageThem being?
04:13:18timberwolf19it works!
04:13:22MirrorImage: D
04:13:38decayedcellokay good. Now if you install iTunes, you'll be able to restore it
04:13:49MirrorImageHe's working on that, I think.
04:13:54timberwolf19ok, the ipod just beeped.
04:14:00timberwolf19just one single beep.
04:15:03rbrito_MirrorImage, the first one is a pretty generic MP3 with both an FM tuner and an microphone.
04:15:37rbrito_MirrorImage, I can provide the dump of the player in a webserver...
04:15:47rbrito_It is quite small once bzip2'ed.
04:15:58rbrito_I would love if it played vorbis.
04:16:32MirrorImageI probably can't help you there. :/
04:16:39rbrito_It records audio in a wav format called IMADPCM, if I am not mistaken.
04:17:01rbrito_MirrorImage, I am willing to take pictures of it, fiddling with it etc.
04:17:24decayedcellwhat you are essentially asking for is a new port rbrito_ :p
04:18:12rbrito_decayedcell, Yes essentially, that's it...
04:18:31rbrito_But I am willing to help as much as I can.
04:18:56decayedcellthere's a checklist for submitting a port request somewhere on the Wiki I think
04:19:16rbrito_decayedcell, thanks, I will check it there...
04:19:16saratogaits actaully instructions for porting it yourself
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04:19:42rbrito_saratoga, thanks. I will try to see if it is beyond my capabilities or not.
04:20:16rbrito_I have no experience trying to work in a very low level... :-(
04:20:54rbrito_Anyway, changing the subject a little, would there be hope to get an iPod 2nd generation working with rockbox?
04:21:16rbrito_Or is it completely out of question?
04:21:49decayedcellsomeone has to decrypt the firmware first
04:22:58rbrito_decayedcell, oh, I see. I thought that it was already partially done with the work of the other iPods...
04:23:16rbrito_Thanks for letting me know that the work is not that trivial...
04:23:45decayedcellthe 2G Nano uses different firmware compared to the other iPods
04:23:55decayedcellall the iPods before it didn't have encrypted firmware
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04:24:47rbrito_decayedcell, I am talking about the 2nd gen original iPod, not the Nano...
04:26:55decayedcellah lol not sure then
04:27:20rbrito_decayedcell, no problems then... Thank you very much...
04:27:36rbrito_Thanks for all the help.
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04:27:50decayedcelltimberwolf19 any luck in restoring?
04:28:02*timberwolf19 shakes his head
04:28:07timberwolf19no
04:28:35timberwolf19I got it connected. I got itunes installed, and was just about to get sighted assistance when the player started beeping, and finally disconnected itself
04:28:48decayedcellhm
04:28:56Shaidhas someone dumped the encrypted firmware from the nano?
04:29:59decayedcellafaik nope
04:30:10decayedcelltimberwolf19 okay then is iTunes running atm?
04:30:42decayedcellif its running, try disconnecting the iPod, rebooting it with Menu + Select, then putting it in Disk Mode with Play + Select
04:30:53decayedcellthen connect the iPod to the computer and iTunes might find it
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04:46:02saratogaa port to the Ipod 2G wouldn't be hard, the 3G is basically the same and already sort of running
04:46:20saratogaits just theres no one with 2Gs left, andt he CPU is so slow it'd take a lot of optimization just to get it working
04:46:36saratogaat present, the 3G can't do much beyond play flac
04:46:39saratogaits so slow
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05:40:38ze /math 19.27+18.48+3.98+11+13.24+4.24
05:40:40zedoh
05:40:46zewhere'd that space come from :p
05:40:54BigMacDo I apply a patch before or after I ../tools/configure
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05:43:56BigMacand does Hunk #1 succeeded at 7 with fuzz 2. mean it worked?
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05:52:41webguest90Question for anyone: If I try to compile a homemade c++ plugin for iPod, will it work? (arm-elf-gcc can compile c++ code)
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06:03:46bonbonthejonwebguest90: If you find out, let me know
06:07:00BigMachttp://rafb.net/p/uuTbxq62.html
06:07:12BigMaccan anyone look at that and tell me what is going on
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06:11:20SoapBigMac: I am far from the man on these issues, but your final error looks like a problem with the dict you added.
06:11:28Dirkai have a gigabeat s60 and there was something about there being a version for it
06:11:39SoapDirka: nope.
06:11:42Soapnot the S series.
06:11:48BigMacHm, how could that be so
06:12:03SoapI don't know - how old is it?
06:12:14BigMacThe patch author just released it this morning
06:12:15SoapPerhaps something it is trying to call in the API has changed?
06:12:28Dirkauhh, idk, i just got it last wednsday
06:12:32Soapthere have been commits since tis morning.
06:12:56Dirkais there a way to check?
06:12:57Soapsorry Dirka, I was talking to BigMac.
06:13:05Dirkaoh
06:13:18SoapThe answer to your question is simply there is no port for the S series.
06:13:28Dirkaport?
06:13:33BigMacThat has to be crazy for patch authors
06:13:34bonbonthejonDirka: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus#Toshiba_Gigabeat_S_S30_S60
06:13:50BigMacYour patch goes out of sync like every day
06:14:00bonbonthejonDirka: the code is ported to different players
06:14:11SoapBigMac: I'm speculating.
06:14:12bonbonthejonDirka: the site says that the S60 is in development
06:14:41Dirkabonbonthejon:Does that meen that theyre is a beta version?
06:14:56scorcheno...that mans that it is in development
06:14:58bonbonthejonDirka: i dont know, go to that link i sent you, thats all i know
06:15:13SoapBigMac: is that your only patch?
06:15:29BigMacYah and I changed the bmp
06:15:34BigMacbut that is it
06:16:06Soaprocklife.c failed for me tonight.
06:16:16BigMaclol
06:16:35SoapI'm guessing the same thing. But maybe someone with more knowledge than me will tell us someday.
06:16:38Soap;)
06:17:10Dirka"New ports here means that Rockbox does not yet function properly enough to make people want to use it instead of the original firmware." ya..what does that meen
06:18:05scorchein otherwords, it is somewhere between not working at all and working enough to be useful
06:18:11Soapwhere did you find that quote Dirka?
06:18:20bonbonthejonDirka: a new port is one where it is in development, unlike the more established ports
06:18:39scorchewell, technically, all ports are in development
06:20:09Dirkaok, i see, so, is there anyone i can contact about maybe getting a beta, i am willing to try it
06:20:33scorchethere is no beta
06:20:59Dirkaah
06:21:08Dirkahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInfo#Other_Link
06:21:32Dirkathis page is getting confusing, it shows random linux stuff that i dont entirely get
06:22:26Dirkadoes that linux stuff have to do with the origonal firmware?
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06:24:11Dirkaokey....so...
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06:40:23SG_Dirkaanyone in this forum participated in the forum post about the gigabeat? (markun, ptw419, toffe, etc..)
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07:45:53learnerHello, I'm looking at getting a new MP3 player, any reccomendations for what would work best with Rockbox that has a higher capacity hard drive?
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07:47:46JdGordonthe x5 is still the most recommended i think
07:47:52JdGordonor the gigabeat F/X
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07:55:14SoapGigabeat wins on eye-candy
07:55:48Soapif that is where you put your stock.
07:56:35LloreanGigabeat also wins on 'If you can make it skip during playback, you're pretty darn impressive"
07:57:27Soapx5 can record, gigabeat can not.
07:57:37Lloreanx5 also has FM radio, doesn't it?
07:58:09Soapthough maybe if you plugged your guitar into an amp and pumped it up the headphone jack you could get _something_ ;)
07:58:21LloreanHahaha
07:58:22Soap(don't take that one seriously)
07:58:24scorcheoh boy...
07:58:36learnerDon't worry, I'm not that dumb
07:58:52SoapTrust me, the disclaimer was needed.
07:58:53learnerThe x5 does have a radio, that is a nice feature
07:59:31learnerDoes the x5 dualboot as well, video support?
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08:00:15LloreanRockbox doesn't really have 'working' video support yet.
08:00:24LloreanIt can play clips of ~20mb or less
08:00:53LloreanAnd there's an unofficial Dual Boot patch for X5, the person who was working on it didn't seem to feel the urge to continue to work out the problems that were keeping it from being included
08:01:02Soapgigabeat will reign supreme as Rockbox video target unless a miracle comes along and does the iPod video Broadcom chip.
08:01:36LloreanSoap: I'm putting my money on the iPod Nano
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08:05:53learnerThe x5 looks like a good choice, are there any real reasons to go with the Gigabeat other than that it looks nice and that it is better choice for video?
08:06:20Soapmight be cheaper.
08:06:25Soaphas a faster processor.
08:07:27learnerWhat's a faster processor going to get me?
08:07:57LloreanNot much right now.
08:08:24LloreanBut in the future it could mean that if you make use of DSP effects or other things, you can stack more of them without music skipping.
08:08:32LloreanOr games might perform better
08:09:45Soapor newer more processor hungry audio codecs can be used.
08:10:08LloreanThere aren't many audio codecs left. ;)
08:15:08learnerThe 60 gb version of the x5 comes in a BL version, is that supported?
08:15:39Llorean"BL"?
08:16:19learneryup, I can't find what that is
08:16:30learnerI know the L is longer battery
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08:16:44SoapYea, the idea of a new audio codec is a weak argument.
08:16:45LloreanYeah, but the x5L is only available in 30gb
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08:21:07learnerSo is the x5BL just the extended battery for the 60 gb?
08:22:01LloreanWhere do you see that an x5BL exists?
08:23:52SoapI get a lot of non-english google hits for X5DL
08:24:00Soapnothing for x5BL
08:24:28learnerhttp://www.amazon.com/iAudio-X5-60BL-Portable-Media-Player/dp/B000CDM6A2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4/104-5217266-1447147?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1172992990&sr=8-4
08:25:15Lloreanlearner: Judging from how I've seen amazon list electronics in the past, I'm betting on BL there meaning "black"
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08:26:23learnerokay, thanks
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08:33:27decayedcell__mm rockbox doesn't seem to want to load when running from Loader2 + loader2.cfg
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08:45:43JdGordonbugger... anyone know how to edit the commit message?
08:45:55JdGordonI forgot to put the FS# in :'(
08:47:18LloreanI don't believe you can
08:47:40JdGordonoh well :p
08:48:01JdGordonthe last commit was to fix 6713 if anyone reads the logs and cares :p
08:48:52amiconnYou can't atm, afaik the svn server admin would need to enable changing of commit msgs
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08:50:53JdGordonok, well its no big deal
08:51:17JdGordondinner time, ill check back after soup incase the build goes pear coloured
08:52:21decayedcell__rofl suprise suprise iPL website down again
08:52:26amiconnhttp://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.reposadmin.maint.html#svn.reposadmin.maint.setlog
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09:02:33amiconnJdGordon: RED
09:03:23JdGordonbah
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09:08:34amiconnAh, the targets with only non-lcd remotes...
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09:21:46amiconnJdGordon: Looks like you made it worse....
09:23:24amiconnHAVE_* should be checked with #ifdef ...
09:24:58amiconnOr rather, must be
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09:34:26JdGordonjust keeping you on your toes :D
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09:46:07JdGordonshould fs 6718 be closed? there is almost no chance of it being accepted (i assume)
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10:05:05JdGordonis there a wiki page where us non-manual ppl can put feature explanations (and stuff needing attention in the manual) that needs translating into good english?
10:05:25JdGordon... and to remind whoever of what needs going in?
10:06:02scorchejust submit a plaintext patch to the tracker
10:07:37JdGordonI was hoping wiki :( its less effort and less likely to be lost or forgotten about
10:12:54bluebrotherJdGordon, for rememering the topic itself see ManualTodo
10:13:38JdGordonI saw that... but that page is scary :p
10:13:49bluebrotherhehe ... it's a bit outdated
10:13:55JdGordonanywya.. the big thing is wrong instructions for A-B on the ipods
10:14:31bluebrotherwrong buttons?
10:15:21JdGordonit says select+left or right, ipods use the 1 button version, so select sets left, then right, then resets
10:15:25JdGordonsame for the x5
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10:19:53JdGordondoes anyone know if we have circle/oval drawing functions in the core?
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10:47:09JdGordoncheers bluebrother :)
10:47:53bluebrotherit's not the attention but the time thing ;-)
10:48:58JdGordonanyone know what the 00:00:00 line in the clock is supposed to be?
10:49:52bluebrotherthe alarm?
10:50:13bluebrotherat least I assumed that when I last tried it on the sim
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11:12:33menubugJdGordon, could you please look at bug FS 6716
11:14:23JdGordonseen it... i plan on fixing that this week
11:14:41menubugah, thanks
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11:15:12menubuggreat menu by the way, i like it
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11:35:15amiconnJdGordon: The '00:00:00 line' is the counter. Kind of an integrated stop watch
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11:59:23nlsmake zip
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12:01:15bluebrothermake: *** No rule to make target `zip'. Stop.
12:01:18bluebrother:D
12:05:51markunJdGordon: do you notice how you are almost the only one increasing the rockbox binary? ;)
12:06:29JdGordonyeah, but ill get over it :D
12:07:14markunDo you think you have some things left to decrease it a bit?
12:09:44JdGordonnot really, the last of the menus conversion will be either small inscrease or no change..
12:10:01JdGordonpossibly some space in redoing the tree browser to work nicer with the root menu
12:10:03JdGordonwe'll see
12:10:14bluebrotherhmm. Are the size values saved somewhere (apart from the ones liked on the build table)?
12:10:47JdGordonthey are saved in log files... dunno how far back the logs go tho
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12:13:46bluebrotherI know these file ... that's what I meant with my side note
12:14:12JdGordonyeah, dunno.... B4gder is the person to ask :p
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12:14:44decayedcelllinuxstb here?
12:15:25bluebrotherhmm. Removing this additional RAM size question for archos configures and putting it into the advanced options would be nice
12:15:29linuxstb_decayedcell: Yes.
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12:17:29decayedcelllinuxstb_ it appears that your diskmode patch is incompatible with iPL Loader 2.5d6?
12:19:21linuxstb_It works for you with the Rockbox bootloader?
12:19:35decayedcell*testing*
12:19:48JdGordonanyone have any idea how a file open/save as dialog should work?
12:19:52decayedcellon the 5G in rockbox, as soon as you plugin the USB cable the screen goes black and the iPod freezes
12:21:52linuxstb_Are you running any other patches?
12:22:23decayedcellkocop11.3c, pluginbacklight, my own frequency patch
12:22:35linuxstb_That's the problem then - the COP patch breaks the rolo feature.
12:23:21decayedcellokay so, if the cop patch is updated to work with Rolo, it will be committed to SVN and it'll work with your diskmode patch
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12:27:00linuxstbdecayedcell__: Yes, I think Rolo is now the main thing stopping the COP patch being committed.
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12:45:35bluebrotherok, some more work for enabling greyscale in Rockboxed for h100: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/dump_0024.bmp
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12:46:18nlsbluebrother: looks good
12:47:03barrywardelllooks nice. I'm not sure if I like the vertical lines on the progress bar though
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12:50:47bluebrotherjust tried to mimic the progress bar of the color targets ... but unfortunately it gets heavier because of the limited number of colors
12:51:25bluebrothermaybe using smaller stripes would be better.
12:52:03markunbluebrother: yes, looks good to me
12:52:12barrywardelli thin a solid bar would be nicer, but maybe thinner stripes would work too
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12:55:23barrywardellactually, I'm not even too keen on those stripes in the current version
12:57:25nlsbarrywardell: i think it was meant to recreate the texture from "box" in the logo, but I agree it look kind of odd
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12:58:25bluebrotherbetter with smaller stripes? http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/dump_0025.bmp
12:59:03bluebrothera plain black bar looks too dark imo
12:59:55aliaskYa, better with smaller stripes
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13:00:06aliaskAlso, the battery looks nicer
13:00:19bluebrotherthat's only a different "fill" of the battery ;-)
13:00:30bluebrotherbut I could make that more grey
13:00:33aliaskYeah, that's what I meant. Does it only do that on low battery?
13:00:46bluebrotheryes.
13:01:03bluebrotherI guess that's to imitate the red bar of the color version.
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13:01:18bluebrotherbut the battery also looks strange to me. Let's see how to deal with that ...
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13:10:48JdGordon:( anyone know of any feature requests which are acceptable that are more interesting to code than code optimization?
13:11:32nlsJdGordon: view ports? metadata on buffer? :-P
13:11:41aliaskPorting eSpeak?
13:11:44bluebrothermodified battery icon: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/dump_0027.bmp and 28
13:12:00bluebrother27 is nearly full battery, 28 nearly empty
13:12:27bluebrother... but now out for food for a couple of minutes
13:12:28JdGordonnls: need to get amiconn to wikify his viewports idead
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13:13:14nlsJdGordon: right, communication is A Good THing (tm)
13:13:28JdGordon:) yeah
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13:13:50JdGordonspose its time for the weekly reminder for Slasheri to wikify the shecdular :p
13:17:06nlsJdGordon: maybe get everyone to agree on a way to do the plugin sorting, ad get that done?
13:18:09decayedcell__and another nudge to get those GUI optimisations commited :D
13:18:41JdGordonnls: bluebrother is working on that iirc
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13:18:47*JdGordon quickly fixing the quickscreen
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13:19:17nlsoooh, make the quickscreen use userfont in a nice way, that's one I want :-)
13:19:58JdGordonabout to commit that
13:20:05JdGordonvery easy to do... not sure why it never was done
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13:20:45nlsJdGordon: because it looked strange with large fonts on small displays
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13:20:59JdGordonit forces the ui font it there are not enough lines
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13:21:27nlshow about when the lines are too long, scroll?
13:21:56aliaskWho wants antialiased fonts? (esp on large displays)
13:22:10JdGordoneveryone I would guess
13:22:25nlsand if it forces sysfont it will not fix the problem with those strings not being localizable outside latin1
13:22:42JdGordonnls: i would guess that if the font was large enough that the line didnt fit then there wouldnt be enough lines anyway
13:22:54JdGordonthat was what i was worried about :p
13:23:17nlsJdGordon: yeah, but translated strings can be longer...
13:23:42nlsnot that I guess they should be THAT long in the quickscreen
13:23:55aliaskWell, it's an easy enough fix, you can test the dimensions of a string and revert to system font if it's too wide.
13:24:27JdGordonscrolling is ok, because every text section is on a seperate lnie
13:24:29JdGordonline
13:24:42nlshmm, should I be able to enter the quicksceen from the main menu?
13:25:12*JdGordon is thinking about adding a user > sysfont translation table for this
13:25:27JdGordonand im not sure.. i thought about that a min ago
13:25:33nlsaliask: yes but that makes them non-localizable to other codepages
13:26:09aliaskAre you talking about if the user font doesn't support unicode?
13:26:35*aliask doesn't really understand codepages
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13:27:07*nls would be happy with nice Icons for repeat and shuffle in the quickscreen, no text for those at all :-)
13:27:25JdGordonna, icons are bad
13:28:09aliaskIcons without text are bad.
13:28:26nlsaliask: I'm not very good with the whole codepage thing either but the sysfont doesn't support the whole unicode so if a string is translated to some language using glyphs not in the sysfont it would be difficult to display the string in sysfont.
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13:29:14aliaskWell, it's in sysfont at the moment anyway, so it'd only be making things better.
13:29:39nlsaliask: yes, it would be better but it is only a half-fix
13:29:48JdGordonim going to do this properly.. hopefully remove that LANG_SYSFONT_ problem everywhere
13:30:00JdGordonwell... make it easy to fix the offending screens
13:30:42nlsJdGordon: I think the recording screen will be "fun" to deal with :_)
13:30:47nls:-)
13:30:54JdGordonyeah, ill stay away from that
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13:35:32*JdGordon wonders why some of these SYSFONTS exist
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13:36:52wpsideabluebrother, an idea for your wps, I would display %pp|%pe where you have mp3 displayed below the progress bar
13:37:04nlsJdGordon: the ones for the pitch screen will be gone with the lang cleanup :-)
13:37:30JdGordonand the eq settings?
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13:37:39wpsideabluebrother, more meaningful than type of file being played
13:37:44JdGordonalthough, wouldnt the pitch screen have the same problem as the quickscreen?
13:37:56markunwpsidea, bluebrother: I think we should also talk to the guy who made the WPS in the first place..
13:39:20markunwpsidea: why do you use different nicks for your questions?
13:39:51wpsideai like to use different nicks, is it a problem ?
13:40:05bluebrothercurrently I only want to add greyscales for targets that support them for now
13:40:34bluebrotherwpsidea, that's confusing −− you'll never know exactly who and what you already talked
13:40:59wpsideai rewad the logs and keep track of my conversations
13:41:05wpsidearewad = read
13:41:21nlsJdGordon: Idk, but the pitch screen is drawn using the userfont, so these string should be renamed to not confuse, and that change is in the lang cleanup patch
13:41:38wpsideamy nick always reflects the issue/question that i'm dealing with
13:41:52bluebrothersure, but instead of you for example me doesn't know you are the same person all the time
13:41:54markunwpsidea: luckily your ip stays the same :)
13:42:25bluebrotherso that makes it quite hard to keep track for others (and people not remembering your ip ;-)
13:42:54wpsideanp, i'll settle on one in future,
13:43:02JdGordonnls: right, but doesnt it revert to the sysfont if there isnt enough lines?
13:43:46bluebrotherwould be at least nice :)
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13:43:58nlsJdGordon: dunno, will try it, but there are only 3 lines of actual text on that screen
13:44:32JdGordonok
13:44:32bluebrotherremember that the lcd remote might have even less
13:46:09nlsJdGordon: everything still fits on the pitch screen with a 32pixel high font, so it would be better to try a target with lower resolution screen
13:46:22wpsideabluebrother, this is what i have below my progress bar %al%pc%ac%pp|%pe%ar%pr
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13:47:23bluebrotherwpsidea, I currently don't plan changing any of the displayed information. Just fixing that big black bar at the bottom as it looks quite annoying
13:47:48wpsideaah ok, thought you were looking for ideas
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13:48:37bluebrotherno, it's not my wps ... it's "just" in svn and it doesn't look good on non-color targets at all
13:48:46bluebrotherso I wanted to improve that a bit.
13:49:41wpsideauhuh
13:49:58wpsideaits very cramped
13:50:42wpsideabut... wps are very personal anyway, mine is very simple with few graphics
13:50:56markunwpsidea: you could suggest it to the creator, I think he's called JustJonny (or something like that) in the forums
13:51:49wpsideai'll do so, and i'll take a screen shot of mine, for what its worth
13:51:57bluebrothermaybe keeping the black bar would work if the icons itself use more greyscales
13:52:09wpsideawhich forum please
13:52:28nlsthe rockbox fourms
13:52:49wpsideaheh, i dont go there often
13:55:27wpsideaah thats a wps for the gigabeat right ?
13:55:31JdGordonfark! this isnt going to work :'(
13:55:44markunwpsidea: there should be a version for all players
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14:05:57*JdGordon thinks it would be fairly trivial to add fully customizable keys to rockbox
14:06:32nlsbut supporting it would not be trivial :-)
14:06:52JdGordonwhy would we need to tho?
14:07:20JdGordonwe would still have the standard keys hardocded
14:07:28JdGordonand they would be the ones in the manual
14:08:21nls"the manuals says to press this button, but it doesn't do what it should"
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14:10:01JdGordonA: are you using a non standard keymap file?
14:10:15nls"dunno, what's that"
14:10:47nlsanyway, I don't see the point of customizable buttons but if you really want to add it...
14:11:09JdGordonwould be fun.. but pointless :p i know it would never get in
14:12:56JdGordonanyone think 5278 would be acceptable? goto start screen after X sec of idle?
14:13:13JdGordonactually ignore that... too much work for it :p
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14:22:54bluebrotherI think that should get rejected. Autoswitching screens is quite a pain.
14:23:09bluebrotherespecially when you think of blind people ...
14:24:24timberwolf19hmmm, ok, I'm experiencing a bit of, uh, technical difficulty here
14:25:35bluebrothercare to share details?
14:25:44timberwolf19I *thought* I charged my ipod up, I plugged it into the pc. I did that last night- but I guess it wasn't charging. But, I booted it into disc mode just now, needing to restore it with itunes, and it started beeping on me..beepbeeep. Then, right when I clicked restore, it apparently disconnected itself from the pc. Little help, please
14:26:38bluebrotherno idea ... maybe someone else does
14:26:43timberwolf19ipod video, 30 gb, I just bought it yesterday so am guessing its a 5.5 g?
14:27:12timberwolf19is it supposed to charge when its in disk mode?
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14:32:01timberwolf19nobody has any idea?
14:32:21timberwolf19oh, another thing- it beeps when I disconnect it from the pc..
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14:34:39ethernaluhm. hi! i am stupid. i wiped my partition table and now ipodpatcher won't regognize it as an ipod any more. clever huh? any ideas? thank you
14:35:21bluebrotherrestore using the apple restoration tool
14:35:43ethernali can't wine the latest itunes, and the old itunes won't regognize it as an ipod :/
14:35:46ethernal(im under linux)
14:36:03timberwolf19btw, where cdo I go in itunes to allow the ipod to be a removable disc?
14:36:22timberwolf19preferances somewhere?
14:36:23ethernaltimberwolf19: somewhere in the settings there is a thingy for "show files on ipod" or something to that effect
14:36:28timberwolf19ah
14:36:36timberwolf19ok, hold on, I'll look for taht
14:36:39timberwolf19er that
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14:36:59ethernaltimberwolf19: or boot it in disk mode.. (holding down play and center wheel at the same time)
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14:39:15timberwolf19I looked in the preferences diologue and couldn't find anything...
14:39:28ethernaltimberwolf19: there is an option to show files on the ipod, i am sure of it.
14:39:40timberwolf19er
14:39:52timberwolf19is it something like show files in windows explorer?
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14:41:47ethernaltimberwolf19: suppose so, i dont have itunes available at the mom
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14:42:23timberwolf19ok
14:42:36timberwolf19I'll keep looking, while my ipod (hopefully) charges
14:43:46ethernali give up, i won't fix this under linux... i'm off to try and restore it on a windows xp machine insteda. thanks for all help!
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14:57:25pixelmahmm... bluebrother just left - hopefully he reads the logs... I've fixed the battery level problem for the Archos-version (also removed the annoying additional spaces) of Rockboxed. And by looking at it I believe that code for displaying the battery level icons for all the other versions can be simplified greately.
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15:39:28timberwolf19hi
15:39:49timberwolf19can someone who has an ipod video w/ rockbox chat with me privately?
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16:47:14Juice^off topic question, on motherboards that has 2x ddr and 2x ddr2 slots, does the ddr2 slots support use of ddr ram? i want to use 4xddr
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16:50:03dionoeahi barrywardell
16:50:15barrywardellhi
16:50:24barrywardellhow is the reading going?
16:50:27dionoeai'm kind of lost with all the usb code :)
16:50:44barrywardelli know exactly how you feel!!!
16:50:54barrywardellis there anything in particular you want me to explain?
16:51:22amiconnbarrywardell: your 23:37 commit yesterday uses C99 variable declaration...
16:52:01barrywardellamiconn: oops. hadn't even noticed that. I'll fix it up now
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17:43:38tim66barrywardell,amiconn:any reason we can't use -ansi or -std=c89 (and -pedantic if it's not already there) to catch these C99 declarations?
17:43:59amiconnBecause we do want a number of C99 features
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17:44:12amiconn...e.g. designted initializers
17:44:18amiconn*designated
17:45:04barrywardelljust curious...why do we allow certain C99 features and not others?
17:45:28amiconnWe use those features which have a real advantage
17:46:16amiconnMixing declarations with code doesn't, might be confusing and/or cause a mess
17:46:56barrywardellok, thanks. i can definitely see how mixing declarations could be confusing
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17:48:35inteliwasphow can i recharge a critically drained 4G ipod?
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17:53:39inteliwasphow can i recharge a critically drained 4G ipod?
17:54:04Kasperleinteliwasp: i assume you've tried connecting it to a running PC?
17:54:44inteliwaspyes, but by the time the disk mode comes up, it resets abruptley
17:54:57Kasperleodd
17:55:04DataGhosthave you waited a long time (weeks/months) after you got the 'low battery' message?
17:55:19inteliwaspwell it was drianed to the point of cutoff
17:55:25inteliwaspno
17:55:40Kasperlei've found it sometimes helps to connect earphones to the ipod if it refuses to wake up
17:55:43DataGhostthat's done by the electronics, to prevent the battery from discharging too low (because li-ion can't be recharged under a certain point)
17:55:47DataGhostso that's not it then
17:56:08DataGhosttry attaching it to a powered usbhub (not attached to a computer), as I assume you don't have a wall charger?
17:56:22inteliwaspthe other night i tried to charge it with my wall charger in the original firmware and the cable was bad
17:56:26DataGhostwhen it goes into diskmode, it'll spin the harddrive... maybe it can't charge fast enough to cope with that
17:56:47inteliwaspDataGhost: yes thats right
17:57:15DataGhostare you using windows? does it detect the iPod?
17:57:22inteliwaspdo you think it can get a charge in diag mode?
17:57:29DataGhostoh. lol. yes
17:57:34*inteliwasp is useing linux
17:57:35DataGhostI forgot about that but it'll charge :)
17:57:39DataGhostin linux it could be done too
17:57:44inteliwaspi'll try that
17:57:53DataGhosttry ejecting the iPod ASAP... was what I was going to suggest
17:57:59DataGhostbut you could use diag mode for that, I guess
17:59:54inteliwaspit's too far gone for the diag mode... and it wants to reset into regular mode when i plug in power
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18:00:07DataGhosthm? what do you mean.. what does it do then?
18:00:23inteliwaspit abruptly shuts off
18:00:52DataGhoststrange, because when I start my 4G in diagmode, the harddrive abruptly shuts off
18:01:03DataGhostso that should actually let you continue
18:02:01inteliwasplithium ion batteries have a special circuit that prevents severe drain and i am at that point
18:02:29DataGhostyes I know, if it drains further than that it'll be unrecharable
18:02:36DataGhostbut since it's not been a long time, you should be able to revive it :/
18:03:04inteliwaspactualy, it's to prevent fireres :)
18:03:16DataGhosteh?
18:03:33DataGhostthat's new to me
18:04:01DataGhostall that I know is that a li-ion battery should *NEVER* be completely discharged because it's not possible to recharge it after that
18:04:05DataGhostbut fire?
18:06:17web-tazhey
18:06:28inteliwaspoh sorry i was thinking of punchureing it
18:06:41web-tazcan someone help me priting an inskin for h300?
18:06:51Ranbeei can't unmount my ipod in linux :( i get this error - 'An application is preventing the volume 'IPOD' from being unmounted.'can i delete the .hal-mtab-lock to fix it?
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18:08:04inteliwaspRanbee: type sync
18:09:18inteliwaspin a terminal i mean
18:09:26FunkmonI've got a question that's been gnawing at me
18:09:29inteliwaspthen try to manualy unmount
18:09:44FunkmonWhy exactly, can't Rockbox work for 5.5g 80 gigs?
18:09:48FunkmoniPods.
18:10:45StalwartFunkmon: they have fucked up hdd controller
18:11:19FunkmonOh.
18:11:26FunkmonOkay
18:11:41Ranbeehi, inteliwasp i get this at a root shell - umount: /media/IPOD: device is busy
18:12:42Ranbeei try eject too and that failed. i might just pull it out :|
18:12:54inteliwaspRanbee: type lsof /media/ipod
18:13:23inteliwaspdont pull it out, it's a good way to damage it or corupt files
18:14:21inteliwaspRanbee: what do you get from the lsof command?
18:14:32Ranbeei love isof, but it says this BTW it's called icepod - No such file or directory
18:14:46Ranbeelsof /media/icepod
18:14:47Ranbeelsof: status error on /media/icepod: No such file or directory
18:15:03Ranbeeit's capitals ill try that
18:15:10inteliwaspare ou sure it is icepod?
18:15:27Ranbeelsof /media/ICEPOD
18:15:27RanbeeCOMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
18:15:28Ranbeenautilus 4374 iceni60 cwd DIR 8,34 4096 1 /media/ICEPOD
18:15:43Ranbeeso it's nautilus
18:16:09inteliwaspany windows open or in the sidebar?
18:17:59Ranbeethanks for the help inteliwasp :) i killed nautlius lol and it unmounted now
18:18:30inteliwaspno problem now i just need to fix my ipod now :)
18:18:41BigMacanyone admin over at mistic river?
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18:21:50lostlogiccan the gigabeat record at all?
18:23:00BigMacno
18:23:41BigMacNico_P: Are you the authorof the album art patch
18:23:41lostlogichmm, unfortunate. are there any 60gb+ targets that we support recording on?
18:23:49Nico_PBigMac: yes
18:24:03BigMaclostlogic: I think the 60 gb Ipod does
18:24:35lostlogichow to connect a mic on the ipod?
18:24:42BigMacNico_P: Is it back in sync with cvs/does it use the bmp resize patch again which I believe was also out of sync
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18:25:07Nico_Pcurrently it's in sync with svn but without bmp resize
18:25:09BigMaclostlogic:Go to the rockbox forums>recording>recording on ipod
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18:25:38BigMacNico_P: Oh so all coverart have to be scaled to the size you want to use?
18:25:52Nico_PBigMac: yes, or smaller
18:25:57Soaplostlogic: mic to preamp to line-in on ipod dock.
18:26:13Soaplostlogic: or mic to headphone jack on ipod 4th generation.
18:26:34BigMacNico_P: Ever going to use bmp resize again?
18:27:12Nico_Pi'll try to have a look at it but i'd like to use a method that could be accepted in SVN
18:27:47BigMacYeah that would be optimal, but it just lets you be a little bit lazier because it auto scales
18:28:05lostlogicSoap: ah, damn. I might hafta get an X5 or HX40 and upgrade the drive to have a player with proper recording.
18:29:15BigMacNico_P: So what is currently keeping it out of the SVN?
18:29:31Nico_PBigMac: metadata on buffer :)
18:29:42Nico_Por the lack of
18:29:55BigMacAh.
18:30:14Soaprecently there has been talk of dropping the MoB requirement as MoB is nowhere in sight and AA can be retooled if/when MoB happens.
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18:30:29BigMacNico_P: Well this is the only patch that I have wanted to use since the day I installed rockbox
18:30:46markunlostlogic: there is support for digital recording on the dock connector, but we have to build a custom dock first to use it.
18:30:52Nico_PSoap: i did't knwo that... when did it happen ?
18:30:55SoapNico_P: I have a suspicion that the climate is becoming right for you to fight for the patch.
18:31:07Nico_PSoap: cool :)
18:31:11SoapNico_P: there have been rumblings on IRC the last few weeks.
18:31:43Nico_Pback when cusheet wasn't committed i felt there was a possibility
18:32:03BigMacSoap: Didn't dan_a say he would commit kocop to SVN like a wekk ago
18:32:31Nico_Pbut then i thought album art was too much without MoB
18:33:00lostlogicHas there been talk of a DevCon, because a DevCon would be a good time to work on MoB and/or AAoB
18:33:05SoapBigMac: dan_a has probably been busy. I stayed up too late last night to have a good memory, but I believe a stumbling block in adoption of current KoCOP code was discussed.
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18:33:35lostlogicmarkun: so no toshiba sanctioned hardware supports recording?
18:33:50BigMacSoap: Ok good because that would be saddening to see a patch like that never be included either
18:34:04Soapoh, it will get included.
18:34:14roolkuNico_P: is there a reason you support so many alternative syntaxes for the album art WPS tag?
18:34:29Nico_Proolku: what alternative syntaxes ?
18:34:30roolkuNico_P: I can only see this leading to confusion
18:34:56Nico_Proolku: i agree it's a bit complicated... most of it is due to the resizing
18:35:06roolkuNico_P: for example a -, r and R are possible values for right alingned
18:35:10SoapI was trying to teach myself the menuing code last night, as that is why the scroll_wheel_acceleration code is out of sync. It hasn't been touched since jdgordon's major menu overhaul.
18:35:13roolkualigned
18:35:39Nico_Proolku: all this part (the resizing and alignment) was done by Massa
18:35:40markunlostlogic: I don't know about the Gigabeat S and V
18:36:02lostlogicmarkun: I meant accessories for the F or X.
18:36:25roolkuNico_P: might be worth deciding a single syntax
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18:36:33Nico_Pyes
18:37:04roolkuNico_P: when it gets committed I mean
18:37:22Nico_Pi agree... it's a bit too complicated
18:37:41BigMacSoap: Is that your way of saying you are looking into picking up that patch?
18:37:49Soapno
18:37:56BigMacdoh
18:38:10SoapTrying to teach myself how things work.
18:38:33SoapIf I successfully sync it, bonus, if not still a good lesson.
18:38:36roolkubottom/top aligned is even worse with 5 possible values: +bBlL/-tTrR :)
18:39:13BigMacSoap: Well if you sync it give me a holler because I would love to use that patch again
18:39:43BigMacRight now I have 4 patches I want to apply but three aren't working
18:39:46SoapIF, and that is a big IF, I sync it I would post it to the tracker. Sign up to watch the thread.
18:39:54SoapWhat 3 aren't working?
18:40:22BigMacThat being Scrolling Accel, KOCOP, and Stardict
18:40:41SoapKoCOP was synced 3 times last night after you went to bed.
18:40:41BigMacThe only one working is Album art I think
18:40:52BigMacAfter 2 am?
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18:41:22roolkuBigMac: I have stardict working...maybe I should upload it to the tracker
18:41:43Soaplikely. I synced it locally, then fuxored up the patch I uploaded, then decayedcell fixed my mess and synced it twice more.
18:41:51BigMacThat would be sweet roolku
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18:42:10BigMacWow well I will try applying it now
18:42:23inteliwaspwhat are the curent hdd players that are compatable with rockbox?
18:42:44BigMacshould I re download the svn, I didn't see any major updates for the ipod
18:44:59Soapinteliwasp: www.rockbox.org
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18:45:26BigMacroolku, holler when you upload
18:45:28Soapinteliwasp: they are listed on the front page. Only the iPod nano is a flash player of the current, fully working, targets.
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18:45:41roolkuBigMac: okay done. let me know if there is a problem
18:45:56BigMacok will do
18:45:59roolkuBigMac: (only tested for gigabeat atm)
18:46:13inteliwaspso i cant get a new rockbox compatable player now right?
18:46:13pearldiverdoes anyone have a fix for this one by any chance?
18:46:15pearldiverhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2954
18:46:24BigMacOk well I will tell you if it works on the 5g
18:46:51lostlogicdoesn't rockbox work on the 30gb iPod 5.5g?
18:47:08markunlostlogic: yes, it does
18:47:15lostlogicinteliwasp: get a 30gb ipod
18:47:43BigMacNico_P: according to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 , your patch needs a resyncing
18:47:45markunor buy a non supported player and start a port ;)
18:48:05Nico_PBigMac: that's possible, i'll upload my local version
18:48:06lostlogicor you can find some new toshiba meg-f series... not in production, but still available some places
18:48:07SoapYou can buy an iPod 30GB new, 60GB refurbushed, an iAudio X5 new, a Gigabeat (possibly) new.
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18:48:12pearldiverBigMac that one works
18:48:28lostlogicinteliwasp: in short stop being alarmist :-P
18:48:31pearldiverat keast it did a day ago
18:48:34pearldiverleast*
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18:48:46markuninteliwasp: what kind of player were you looking for?
18:48:59BigMacpearldiver: then why is there a comment saying it is out of sync
18:49:07pearldiveri have no idea
18:49:19pearldiveri compiled with it a day ago
18:49:40BigMacalright I will try it anyway
18:49:46inteliwaspa hard driver player with atleast 20GB and hopefully not ipod... it that or buy a new battery
18:50:20pearldivernow the scroll margin patch needs an update
18:50:21markuninteliwasp: do you care for a nice screen, recording, fm radio?
18:50:29BigMacroolku: oh I have to apply both patches?
18:51:16inteliwaspnice screen would be nice not necciary the others are a bonus
18:51:32markunperhaps we should make a rockbox DAP buying guide comparing the most important features and average battery time
18:51:46lostlogicmarkun: that does sound like a very good idea
18:52:18markunlostlogic: now of course I gave you the idea I was volunteering for it :)
18:52:29roolkuBigMac: no, dict is enough (the other is just an entry in the main menu) but hang on a second, I have messed up the path in the dict.patch
18:52:58BigMacok just give me a hooha
18:53:11lostlogicmarkun: I'll make a stab at it on the wiki and then hopefully others will help.
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18:53:32markunlostlogic: ok, I'll take a look and try to add some useful stuff when you are done
18:53:48bluebrotherhmm. Is there a reason why the trigger screen is completely different to the other menus?
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19:04:29roolkuBigMac: okay, this one should work now :)
19:04:37BigMacok
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19:11:59BigMacroolku: Does fuzz matter?
19:14:05BigMacNico_P and pearldiver : Hunk #3 FAILED at 2476. on the patch
19:14:20pearldiverthat's interesting
19:14:56BigMaceverything else succeded with some fuzz
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19:15:27Nico_PBigMac: are you using an up-to-date version ?
19:15:28roolkuBigMac: only in rare cases.
19:15:38SoapI assume (this is really a query) that fuzz means it matched by neighboring lines and not line #s?
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19:15:54Nico_PBigMac: of the rockbox source, that is
19:16:01Nico_Pand do you have other patches ?
19:16:17BigMacNico_P: Just dled a few minutes ago
19:16:26pearldiverim trying now
19:16:28BigMacYah KOCOP and Stardict
19:16:41BigMacnone use the files you used though
19:16:48roolkuSoap: that is my understanding
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19:17:00pearldiverBigMac works here
19:17:06pearldiverapplied with no errors
19:17:21Soapdid you revert out earlier failed attempts BigMac ?
19:17:22Nico_Psame here after having reverted
19:17:37BigMac?
19:17:45pearldiverah
19:17:48pearldiveractually
19:17:49Soapfrom the rockbox directory do a "svn revert -R ."
19:17:50pearldiverno
19:17:52pearldiver:P
19:17:58pearldiverHunk #3 FAILED at 2476
19:18:01pearldiveris here as well
19:18:04Soapor not
19:18:04Nico_Ppearldiver: huh ?
19:18:45BigMacSoap: I tried doing an -R on the patch but it says failed on that line still
19:19:11SoapBigMac: which is the svn command for reverting back to "stock" svn, removing changes. -R means chase recursively through the directories, the . means start in current directory.
19:19:12Nico_Pi don't understand, my tree is clean according to svn status
19:19:49Nico_Ppearldiver, BigMac: in which file is hunk #3 ?
19:20:05pearldivermetadata.c
19:20:15SoapBigMac: I don't know how well patch can remove failed patches, that's why I always svn revert. Might very well be a waste on my part.
19:20:16BigMacyup
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19:20:52BigMacok Soap , so cd into the directory of the failed patch, and do a revert?
19:21:10Soapno, the command I pasted should be done from the rockbox directory.
19:21:25BigMacok so I will have to reapply all patches
19:21:28BigMack
19:21:30Soapbut pearldiver confirms your results, so that doesn't appear to be the problem.
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19:21:57BigMacSoap: Well if it doesn't work I would rather just remove it from the build
19:22:50BigMacso I can revert and it will put it all back to stock?
19:23:09Nico_Pi don't get it ... : svn revert -R apps/ firmware/ then svn update then the patch applies fine
19:23:10Soapyes, just like a fresh svn checkout.
19:23:26*amiconn just read the first signs of life of the M5 bootloader on the LCD :D
19:23:45pearldiverNico_P fails here
19:23:45linuxstb_Hurray, another port :)
19:23:46SoapNico_P: are you on SVN 12593 or newer?
19:24:01Nico_PSoap: 12596
19:24:23Soapand BigMac / pearldiver are you on 12593 or newer?
19:24:32pearldiverthe latest
19:24:33BigMacSoap: Oh that is cool, it only revert't take as longs what I patched so it doesn
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19:24:58BigMacI am on 12595
19:25:07SoapBigMac: and reverting is kinder to Rockbox's bandwidth than wiping the whole rockbox directory and checking it out again ;)
19:25:14Nico_Ppearldiver: could you revert apps and firmware to make sure ?
19:25:43pearldiverNico_P just did
19:25:50pearldiversame, fails
19:26:04dan_aBigMac: Just reading your question from earlier, I had planned to commit KoCOP earlier this week, but RoLo doesn't work with it at the moment. Once someone works out how to fix that, I'll commit
19:26:19Nico_P:(
19:26:59Nico_Ppearldiver: you are using the version of the patch i just posted on the tracker, aren't you ?
19:27:09pearldiverha
19:27:10pearldiverno
19:27:12pearldiverhold on
19:27:13*dan_a applauds amiconn
19:27:17BigMacNico_P: You just updated?
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19:27:22Nico_Pyes
19:27:27BigMacI am using one from like february
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19:27:31Soaplinuxstb: M5 = X5 minus FM and colour?
19:27:32BigMacthat could be why
19:27:39Nico_PBigMac: that's why indeed
19:27:48Nico_Pi assumed you saw my updated, sorry
19:27:53amiconnSoap: Almost. M5 = X5 minus FM, colour and USB OTG
19:28:24Soapahh. Things woth sacraficing in my mind. I might need to look into that.
19:28:26Nico_PBigMac, pearldiver: with the updated patch you'll be fine
19:28:39Nico_Pi have to go, bbs
19:28:58pearldiverthanks
19:29:01pearldiverit works
19:29:06BigMacyup
19:29:08BigMacbye
19:29:17linuxstb_amiconn: How are you running code? Did the X5 bootloader (minus LCD driver) work?
19:29:21barrywardelldan_a: how does kocop break rolo?
19:29:41amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, and I also already have a working M5 lcd driver :)
19:29:58amiconn(did that before even trying to run the bl)
19:30:28SoapBigMac: _that_ is the issue I heard last night. KoCOP and RoLo.
19:30:54dan_abarrywardell: I changed Rolo on PP targets so that the COP got rebooted at the same time as the CPU, with a couple of wait loops to make sure they are synced. It seems that the COP now refuses to play nicely
19:31:06BigMacWhat is RoLo, or should I go look it up
19:31:43dan_aBigMac: It is what means you can load a firmware from a file from inside Rockbox
19:32:01BigMacah cool
19:33:46barrywardelldan_a: have you tried using the mailboxes at all?
19:34:55BigMacWell this is a really good feeling
19:35:21BigMacI have been trying to be able to compile since I started using rockbox, and now I am doing it
19:35:29BigMacI feel all tingly inside
19:35:33dan_abarrywardell: I've had a brief go, with mixed results. It doesn't seem like you can use them in the same way as an IDATA variable for passing data
19:36:21dan_aI even tried restarting the COP from inside an interrupt triggered by a mailbox write, and that didn't work
19:37:02barrywardelldan_a: that's what I was going to suggest
19:37:29barrywardelli found some mailbox stuff in the sansa of, but haven't got as far as figuring out what it does yet
19:37:37dan_a I'll have another try doing it that way, in case there is something I missed
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19:38:41BigMacroolku: Still around?
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19:40:46barrywardelldan_a, linuxstb: also, I noticed when I was getting rid of the inl/outl stuff that according to ipodlinux, the ide seems to need to be configured differently depending on cpu frequency
19:41:08linuxstb_Yes, I noticed that in your commit. I've no idea what that's about...
19:41:36*dan_a wonders if that is why amiconn's asm optimised read/write failed on the 3G
19:41:41barrywardelli must remember to do some tests and see if it affects the crashes at all
19:42:54linuxstb_The COP patch seems to fix the crashes for me.
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19:43:48barrywardelllast time I tried, they didn't. maybe I should test again
19:44:50barrywardellalso, the addresses for CPU_INT_STAT and CPU_HI_INT_STAT seem odd, but maybe it doesn't matter because of external memory aliasing?
19:46:18barrywardellone last thing I noticed was in system_init(), they don't seem to be the right addresses for disabling irqs
19:46:20dan_abarrywardell: It looks wrong to me, too, but the memory (even for mmapped I/O, I think) does seem to wrap around
19:47:14dan_abarrywardell: Do you know what the INT_STAT addresses are for?
19:47:44lostlogicRockbox Battery life on the iAudio X5 is comparable to that on the OF, right?
19:47:46roolkuBigMac: yes
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19:48:45BigMacOnce I download this massive dictionary and extract it to my ipod, do I just select it like a viewer
19:48:52BigMacor is it a plugin I have to load
19:48:52barrywardelldan_a: I think external memory does wrap around, so adding an integer multiple of the memory size gives the same location in memory (although mmapping might affect how it's cached, etc)
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19:49:40roolkuBigMac: you browse to the *.idx file and press select (or the equivalent on ipod)
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19:49:48barrywardelldan_a: i thought they are used for checking the status of interrupts, although I have found places in the sansa of where they are written to
19:50:21dan_abarrywardell: I've done tests which show that the caching does only work on the base address, not on the aliassed address
19:50:48amiconnRockbox boots fine on M5; playback doesn't work yet (but doesn't hang either, it pretends to play but you don't hear something)
19:50:55amiconnBacklight doesn't work yet
19:51:13dan_aSo INT_STAT is the interrupt status, and COP_INT_STAT is the interrupt status with the COP interrupt mask applied?
19:51:41*linuxstb_ looks on ebay and doesn't see any M5s...
19:51:51barrywardelldan_a: that's my understanding at least
19:52:35amiconnlinuxstb: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cowon-iAudio-M5L-20-GB-LONG-PLAY-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ270076287463QQihZ017QQcategoryZ73839QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
19:53:17x1jmpBigMac: Do you have success using dict?
19:53:25BigMacoh yah and do you know if there is a torrent of this up yet? because if not I can put it up on my desktop 24/7 if you want to link to it in the tracker
19:53:29nlsheh, "Color Sound" in grayscale :-)
19:53:47BigMacx1jmp: wouldn't know yet, got another hour or 2 left to dl the file:P
19:54:03BigMacx1jmp: it compiled fine with roolku's update though
19:54:30lostlogicmarkun: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide thoughts?
19:54:41linuxstb_amiconn: Did you say the M5 has no FM?
19:54:47amiconnyes
19:55:11x1jmpBigMac: I just saw his patch, maybe someone can explain the reference to memcpy in the plugin...?
19:55:31linuxstb_amiconn: OK, this site says the opposite - http://www.goaudio.co.uk/cowon-iaudio-m5-20gb-specification.html
19:55:45barrywardelldan_a: so we just need to add DRAM_SIZE to a variable's address to make it not cached?
19:56:11markunlostlogic: looks pretty nice! Will you continue to work on it, or shall I try to extend it?
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19:57:37Soaplinuxstb: http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/m5/m5_m3.html
19:58:27x1jmpBigMac: In the meantime you can try a smaller dictionary, you can get them directly from the stardict website or use one from mine (http://timo-horstschaefer.de/files/Rockbox/stardict/dicts/)
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20:00:04dan_abarrywardell: We might need to make sure that nothing within that 16 byte aligned page is cached either
20:00:37x1jmproolku: did you also compile for ARM when you got the undefined reference?
20:00:41linuxstb_Soap: Thanks, I found that.
20:02:32*barrywardell has lots of tests to do!
20:02:54BigMacanyone use ubuntu here?
20:04:22lostlogicmarkun: I gotta do some paying weekend work now, so have at.
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20:05:14nlsBigMac: yes
20:05:57BigMacnls: Anyway to install something so that archive manager can open 7 zip, or do I have to install 7 zip
20:06:53nlsBigMac: dunno, never used 7zip
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20:11:04BigMacarrgggg
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20:11:54linuxstbBigMac: Just try "apt-get install p7zip"
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20:12:11roolkux1jmp: gcc sometimes uses memcpy or memset when initialising variables
20:12:25nlsyeah, p7zip is available in synaptic too, I don't see the problem really...
20:12:39BigMacI already have installed it using "sudo apt-get instal p7zip-full"
20:12:40roolkux1jmp: I can't remember either arm or coldfire3
20:12:46roolku-3
20:13:55markuncan anyone give an estimation for the 'average' runtime with a X5 and X5L ? (for the BuyersGuide wiki page)
20:14:13markunruntime using rockbox of course..
20:15:23linuxstbIs there an IaudioRuntime wiki page?
20:15:41linuxstbNo.
20:17:27markunlostlogic put 16 hours for the Gigabeat F, I know we can get a few hours more, but think this is a realistic average
20:17:46robin0800is the ipod 64 mb patch commited?
20:17:51linuxstbNo.
20:18:15robin0800well it is brocken now
20:18:55robin0800won't compile with latest build
20:19:40robin0800have posted comment in tracker
20:19:43markunrobin0800: can you fix it?
20:20:02robin0800no not clever enough
20:20:20linuxstbmarkun: I don't think the "5G" video ipod should be listed as currently available.
20:20:26BigMacanything wrong with this syntax linuxstb: 7z x freedict_eng-deu.7z
20:20:53linuxstbBigMac: I think that should work.
20:21:16robin0800linuxstb why?
20:21:44linuxstbrobin0800: Why what?
20:21:52amiconnlinuxstb: I plan to check this myself anyway
20:22:25markunlinuxstb: I'm not sure what we should list here. We also recommend H1xx players to people sometimes..
20:22:27linuxstbamiconn: I think that site was just wrong - none of the other sites (including Cowon's) say there is FM.
20:22:29robin0800why should it be listed as not available?
20:22:30BigMaclinuxstb: this is what I get http://rafb.net/p/PR587z78.html
20:22:47linuxstbrobin0800: Because Apple only sell the 5.5gen versions now.
20:23:20markunlinuxstb: the X5 doesn't have FM? Why did I think that..
20:23:21linuxstbmarkun: I think that page should also list all the discontinued players.
20:23:32markunlinuxstb: yes, I agree
20:23:35linuxstbmarkun: I'm talking about the M5.
20:23:40markunah, sorry :)
20:23:49linuxstbamiconn's port of the day...
20:23:57lostlogiclinuxstb: I was trying to list players that are readily available either new or through ebay and its ilk but not players who are difficult to find period.
20:24:06x1jmpBigMac: I already heard of this issue, it was posted on the stradict thread... but I don't know what it is as it works for me :)
20:24:22robin0800this is in the buying guide and your not commenting on operation
20:24:29BigMacwait is it just that file x1jmp ?
20:24:57robin0800are they not availble refurbished by apple?
20:25:48markunamiconn: is it better to have a loop do "if (x) y = true;" or "y |= x;"?
20:25:50x1jmpBigMac: not sure, maybe it's even a misconfiguration of my page, try to download it with wget
20:26:08markun||= even
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20:27:37BigMacis there an option to build a sim that can be run on windows?
20:27:46BigMac**linux
20:29:08*dan_a curses himself for being an idiot
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20:29:26unicornpowerhey guys
20:29:30markunhi unicornpower
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20:29:39unicornpowerhow come when i change the language in rockbox, it is all squares
20:29:46unicornpower
20:30:04dan_aRoLo with the kernel on cop patch works fine - I'd just commented it out for everything except the 3G (the one target it won't work for)
20:30:08unicornpoweri tried changing the codepage, but that didn't matter.
20:30:36markununicornpower: you need a font which supports the language
20:30:39barrywardelldan_a: lol. so does that mean kocop is good to go?
20:30:49unicornpower:( Where do i get one?
20:31:10markununicornpower: did you download the font pack from the 'extra' download page?
20:31:24unicornpoweroh i didn't even notice that. :D brb
20:31:43amiconnSubtle difference of M5 and X5: Play and Rec buttons are swapped electronically... (!)
20:31:46dan_abarrywardell: I think so - I'm just scared of committing it, now!
20:31:54markununicornpower: this helps: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts
20:32:06lostlogicdan_a: do it, we use a VCS for a reason ;)
20:32:07amiconnThe mechanical keypad arrangement is exactly the same
20:32:32bluebrotheroh, found a nice bug
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20:33:32bluebrotherif you call the credits plugin using the "Version" entry in the menu and quit it before the logo disappears the title is drawn using sysfont until you press any key
20:33:41barrywardelldan_a: go for it!
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20:37:12unicornpowerThank you markun. :D
20:37:15unicornpowerit works now
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20:41:22bluebrotherhmm. Is there a reason loading a new language does stop playback?
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20:45:19BigMacx1jmp: that would be a no on the working thing and I hope that the menu patch is causing all the spinups because I keep hearing it spin up like every 5 seconds
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20:47:56Learbluebrother: it loads a new voice file, and in order to do so, it needs to re-allocate buffer space.
20:48:23LearThought the code could probably be more clever, and only stop playback when necessary, and automatically restart it if needed.
20:48:33BigMacSoap: What was that command again to update svn?
20:48:41Soapsvn up
20:48:45Learsvn update? :)
20:48:48BigMacwhoops
20:48:53BigMacI meant revert
20:48:55bluebrotheroh −− so it does use some kind of dynamic memory? Or does that use the playback buffer?
20:49:01x1jmpsvnrevert
20:49:05x1jmpsvn revert
20:49:08bluebrotherI thought the language buffer was static
20:49:23BigMacNo it was something like svn -r .
20:49:41amiconnBacklight works :)
20:49:43bluebrothersvn -r <revision> gets the specified revision number
20:49:50Learbluebrother: Playback buffer is used, yes. See buffer_alloc. Language buffer is static yes, voice file buffer, no.
20:50:04BigMacand x1jmp , do you get often spinups with your patch on your dap
20:50:17Soapsvn revert -R . (if from the rockbox directory)
20:50:17BigMacI have a feeling that it is the menu thing though
20:50:20bluebrotherah, so it's because of the associated voice file?
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20:51:03LearYes. That voice file is always loaded, if present.
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20:51:37*Soap doesn't understand what "if [ -z "$memory" ]; then" is checking. Feel free to ignore me, seriously.
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20:51:39bluebrotherthat means if I remove the voice file I get more playback buffer space?
20:51:51LearYes.
20:52:04bluebrotheroh. Good to know :)
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20:52:45x1jmpBigMac: Unfortunately I currentliy have no hdd which could spin up in my dap, so most testing I do is in the sim. I've only seen the plugin on an X5 for s hort time and didn't notice spinups
20:53:11BigMacok then it must be the root menu patch
20:54:15x1jmpBigMac: the root menu does nothing more the current root menu does not
20:54:29BigMachuh?
20:54:45x1jmpBigMac: When exactly do the spinups occur?
20:55:29BigMacif I change a directory , when I move at all on the vkeyboard
20:55:51x1jmpBigMac: The root menu is an official part of rockbox now, the dict root menu patch only adds an entry
20:56:05SoapBigMac: do you have dircache turned on?
20:56:19SoapI'm willing to be you lost your settigns.
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20:56:59DataGhostlol
20:57:09DataGhostthey're (ab)using you! as an excuse!
20:57:12DataGhost"im not a noob, as i succesfully downloaded rockbox."
20:57:13DataGhost:D
20:57:32BigMacSoap: Not unless it turned itself on
20:57:48DataGhost(using loader2, so it's really just a matter of copy-paste-autodetect)
20:57:55Soapturn on dircache - reboot - I bet your spinups will be gone.
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21:03:36BigMacDoes it always slow down load time?
21:05:14nlsBigMac: Yes, unless you have a romboxed h100 it will have to scan the disk on every boot, but it shouldn't take long.
21:05:27nlsmake install -j
21:05:32nlsgah!
21:06:00BigMacHmm well I am thinking of just removing stardict because it is still spinning up
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21:07:25*dan_a goes for it...
21:07:42roolkuLear: thanks - should have thought of it myself
21:10:28*bluebrother just looks into menu.h ... *blargh*
21:10:48x1jmpBigMac: dict itself is just a plugin, it controls the spinup when it is run, but the settings are restored afterwards
21:11:02roolkuBigMac: there are no extra spinups because of stardict
21:11:19nlsany gigabeaters here that can come up with a good button combo for swithching to Morse mode in the vkeyboard?
21:11:52BigMacwell there has to be because when using a clean build, and one with just that patch spinups increased by a lot
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21:13:04nlsah, llorean you might know a good buttoncombo for the gigabeat to switch to morse mode in the vkeyboard
21:13:21roolkuBigMac: can you be more precise? when are there spinups when there weren't any previously?
21:13:48Soaprobin0800: I _think_ I fixed FS #5472 964MB patch)
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21:13:52BigMacI really can't, they are quite sporadic
21:14:12Lloreannls: I don't know which keys aren't yet used in the VKeyboard, honestly. I think the gigabeat has enough keys that you could just give it a single key, rather than a combo, maybe + or -
21:14:29BigMacOnlything I can say is that when I move down one line in like file browser, It spins up
21:14:40Soapand directory cache is on?
21:14:46BigMacyup
21:15:11LloreanAnd is the dircache ACTIVE?
21:15:20nlsLlorean: ah, yes forgot about those, but isn't markun going to do the global volume control thing for them, maybe I should let him deal with it when he does that...
21:15:22LloreanYou can have the setting to "On" but it not be running for one reason or another
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21:15:41roolkunls: yes, I would prefer to use them for global volume as well
21:15:53BigMacIt said something about it on startup Llorean
21:15:56piercedb0iHey Room.
21:16:02LloreanBigMac: "Something" is very vague.
21:16:26nlsroolku: so, can ypu come up with a good combo? would menu+select work?
21:16:27*roolku leaves user support to the experts...
21:16:44Lloreannls: Well, other than that, I don't know which keys do what in the vkeyboard.
21:16:53*dan_a breathes a sigh of relief
21:17:20LloreanBigMac: Check in the debug menu to make sure it says the directory cache is active
21:17:30LloreanThen, if it definitely is, see if those strange spinups happen
21:17:47nlsLlorean: ok, I'll go with menu+select then for now.
21:18:03roolkunls: the key combos for the virt keyboard are not useful anyway...it shuts down when you move the cursor
21:18:11BigMacLlorean: Yes and yes
21:18:30LloreanBigMac: You had one happen in the last 30 seconds?
21:18:32nlsroolku: the line cursor?
21:18:38amiconnbbl
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21:18:42BigMacYup
21:19:02roolkunls: yes, left and right are power+left/right
21:19:12nlsroolku: for how long can you hold down power before it shuts down?
21:20:06roolkunls: I seem to remember it is 3s ?
21:20:58roolkunls: not long enough to go to the beginning of a filename
21:21:02LloreanBigMac: And you're using the dict.patch from the patch tracker, and NO other changes to Rockbox?
21:21:24BigMacyup
21:21:32LloreanThen what you're describing is impossible.
21:21:36SoapI think a note needs to be made that everybody on the old ipod bootloader needs to upgrade their bootloader.
21:21:44BigMacIt is happening
21:21:53Soap(with dan_a's commit)
21:22:03LloreanBigMac: dict.patch does not modify ANY files in the rockbox core.
21:22:04nlsSoap: they don't HAVE to iirc
21:22:18LloreanBigMac: Any change to core behaviour is because of a setting you've changed, or some other thing you've done.
21:22:31SoapI thought the old bootloader didn't initalize the COP properly?
21:22:45BigMachmm well that is a possiblility but why would I have not experienced it before
21:22:50nlsSoap: yes, but I think me added some kind of detection for that
21:22:58LloreanSoap: the old bootloader doesn't, but then the new Rockbox just won't use the COP if it's not initialized.
21:23:06nlsmaybe dan_a can inform us?
21:23:14dan_aLlorean is correct
21:23:18Soapsorry
21:23:29LloreanBigMac: Track down how to reproduce exactly what's happening, by using default settings first, and maybe you'll figure it out.
21:23:41LloreanSoap: We still should tell people to upload.
21:23:59Lloreandan_a: Actually, you should've included a splash each boot saying "Your bootloader is out of date, please upgrade" :-P
21:24:06BigMacI think I updated the bootloader already, anyway to check?
21:24:14dan_aSoap: That's fine - that behaviour has only been in the patch about a week, but it was one of my personal prerequisites for committing
21:24:24saratogajust noticed the COP was commited
21:24:27saratogacongrats dan
21:24:32saratogabeen a long 6 months :)
21:24:48dan_aBigMac: Update your Rockbox to the latest SVN, see if there are threads on both cores and if audio plays
21:24:49LloreanBigMac: Generally you should try to keep track of these things. Is the background of your bootloader black?
21:25:18dan_asaratoga: Thanks - I'll get it working on the 3G ASAP since that was why I started it in the first place!
21:25:57BigMacyup Llorean
21:26:04saratogaha
21:26:15saratogai guess it'll probably be most useful on the 3g given how slow it is
21:27:02BigMacWait dan_a , you just commited it?
21:27:13piercedb0iI had a question.. Aside from taking my nano apart( Its a 2g) can I help move development along in any way?
21:27:27dan_aBigMac: Yes, just 2 minutes ago
21:27:52BigMacDoh, but is it the same as patch kocop11.3c.patch?
21:28:32dan_aBigMac: Possibly not - it is the latest patch that I did plus the changes needed to apply it to the latest SVN
21:28:42BigMacmannn
21:28:45BigMacalright
21:28:53BigMacso I better svn up
21:29:22roolkux1jmp: I think I have a bug for you - selected Wiki in the english wikipedia, selected wiki-source from the list and my characters were overwritten with random data...let's see if i can reproduce it
21:32:56BigMacHas menu quick exit been commited to svn yet or who made the patch
21:33:19nlsBigMac: It is a part of the new menu stuff
21:33:25bluebrotherI believe the new Rockbox menu does that
21:33:29dan_apiercedb0i: I think the only thing which will help at the moment is decrypting the original firmware, or at least finding out how to run our own code.
21:33:57BigMacAH cool thanks
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21:34:16BigMacWhat about play taking you to the wps from aywhere
21:34:29nlsthat too
21:34:55LloreanBigMac: Out of curiosity, is it too hard to just look at the changelog?
21:35:08nlsok, any gigabeat owner wants to test Morse mode or should I just commit it without getting it tested on target? ;-)
21:35:21linuxstb_dan_a: Nice commit :)
21:35:40BigMacLlorean: No I guess not
21:35:42linuxstb_We have problems with 4g greyscale and mini users though...
21:35:54dan_alinuxstb_: Thanks! I've documented my kernel changes too!
21:36:40roolkux1jmp: nope can't reproduce it...
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21:37:15linuxstb_dan_a: What happens if someone has an old bootloader? Does Rockbox just use the main CPU?
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21:38:25bluebrothercan gui_synclist get updated frequently with changed entry values?
21:38:26dan_aI think my short term solution for the 4G greyscale/mini users would be to provide a prebuilt bootloader using GCC4.1.1, and a big fat comment in the sources saying that this is still an unsolved problem
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21:39:03dan_aOld bootloaders will use the main CPU for everything, but I've not added a splash screen or anything like that to warn people that they ought to upgrade
21:39:07Soaptoo bad dan_a didn't get a "cool" revision # like 12666
21:39:28dan_aI was going for 12600, but just missed
21:40:38linuxstb_dan_a: What changes do you need to make to bootloader/ipod.c ? Disable checking for apple_os.ipod?
21:41:11x1jmproolku: btw what happens when you select 'WikiSource'?
21:41:53Soapand 12601 was prime
21:42:15nlsdan_a: I think the plugin and codec api versions should be bumped.
21:43:10dan_alinuxstb_: No, it's just the check for the 'portalplayer' string. That means that with my bootloader anyone who has deleted their OF from the firmware partition and doesn't have an apple_os.ipod, if they try to boot into the Apple OS will get a reboot loop instead of an error message - I think that's an acceptable risk
21:43:30dan_anls: I thought I'd done it... but maybe they've been bumped in SVN since I did that
21:44:09linuxstb_dan_a: Did you try moving the memcmp to earlier in the code?
21:44:10nlsah, yes I think jhMikeSdid it yesterday, so it's probably not too important
21:45:28linuxstb_dan_a: Or even testing for an in-RAM retailos first, and then checking for apple_os.ipod second?
21:46:24dan_alinuxstb_: I did. It doesn't seem to be the memcmp itsself that causes the problem, but Llorean said that we used to have problems if we were using "if"s to decide what to boot from - I think it could be related to that again
21:46:40dan_aI've not tried the in-RAM test first.
21:47:17dan_aIt doesn't boot apple_os.ipod with a stock bootloader, even though the memcmp shouldn't be run at all
21:48:11roolkux1jmp: the first time all the character bitmaps were overwritten with random data and became unreadable, the second time I got the article as expected
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21:49:51dan_aHmmm... if I'm bumping the API versions, do I need to bump the min API versions for all targets or just for dual core ones?
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21:50:10robin0800soap just got a make all error 2 what ever that is with your patch
21:50:25Soaprobin0800: one sec
21:50:52nlsdan_a: I think we stick with one version number for all
21:51:35Soaprobin0800: where did it spit out the error?
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21:52:08SoapI only tested doing "make bin" so I assume the change I made messed up plugins or codecs?
21:52:45robin0800$ make
21:52:45robin0800make[1]: `rdf2binary' is up to date.
21:52:45robin0800make[1]: `convbdf' is up to date.
21:52:45DBUGEnqueued KICK robin0800
21:52:45robin0800make[1]: `scramble' is up to date.
21:52:45robin0800make[1]: `ipod_fw' is up to date.
21:52:46***Alert Mode level 1
21:52:46robin0800make[1]: `bmp2rb' is up to date.
21:52:48robin0800make[1]: `codepages' is up to date.
21:52:50robin0800make: *** [all] Error 2
21:52:55LloreanPlease don't spam the channel with pastes.
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21:53:20robin0800sorrey
21:54:16SoapI get past that part when doing a normal "make"
21:54:57robin0800I did enter 60gb hard drive
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21:55:36bluebrotherrobin0800, please use a pastebin
21:55:57SoapRob222241: yes, I did here too.
21:56:23robin0800don't know what that is
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21:56:34x1jmproolku: The plugin only uses lcd_puts to draw to the display, the random data can hardly come from the plugin.
21:57:23x1jmproolku: But you just made me finding another bug, which is fixed now :)
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21:58:37roolkux1jmp: it looked more like a buffer overflow overwriting the bitmap data for the fonts - could have been coincidence. Still scary
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22:01:48SoapI'll admit I don't understand the full implications of the change I made. I changed the line in the ipod video definition to "memory=2" so that the changed configure. file would trigger the question, when you answer the question it should correctly set memory regardless, so I'm not sure what problems it could cause.
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22:02:51SoapI don't know why it is working for me and not you. I reverted, updated, then applied the patch, and did my test compiles.
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22:04:52nodroghey my rockbox installation seems to have just messed up, when i turn it on i get a 'no partition found' message, can anyone help?
22:05:36Soapbut robin0800 I am willing to believe I messed up again.
22:05:41Lloreannodrog: And Rockbox worked before?
22:05:52Lloreanrobin0800: Were you building in a new build folder?
22:06:10nodrogyeah it was working fine, i just connected it to my pc to copy some files across and now its screwed up
22:06:28Lloreannodrog: Have you tried scandisk, or some other means of checking the filesystem?
22:06:59nodrognot yet, i wasnt sure if i should reinstall it
22:08:15roolkuSoap: what patch are you talking about?
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22:11:20Soap5472 - 64MB selection for ipod video.
22:11:36Soapthe recent changes to configure. broke it
22:12:29nodrogso should i run scandisk on this then?
22:12:39nodrogwill windows scandisk work with whaatever file system it is?
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22:13:00Soapmy full make is up to minesweeper.c with no errors.
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22:13:47BigMacI thought switching on hold during boot up clears your settings
22:14:07LloreanBigMac: Depends on when you switch on hold
22:14:11Soapit should, if you do it as soon as you see "loading rockbox"
22:14:14linuxstb_It does. But it also tells the bootloader to start the apple firmware.
22:14:21Soapnot before, as that will boot apple OS.
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22:15:04webguest53what does ipodpatcher do with an already rockboxed ipod?
22:15:05BigMacah ok
22:15:05linuxstb_You can turn it on as soon as you see the bootloader messages - the bootloader checks the hold switch status once, before it starts writing text on the screen.
22:15:54roolkuSoap: I'll have a look (since I broke it). Would it be okay to add it as an option in the advanced menu (like for the 8Mb Archos builds)?
22:16:25Soaproolku: you're asking the wrong person.
22:16:34linuxstb_webguest53: Whatever you ask it to do.
22:16:58linuxstb_If you tell it to install a bootloader it will, replacing any existing bootloader.
22:17:27SoapI had it on my "watch list" because I own a 60GB iPod video. My runtime tests have shown it offers little to no reward and possible risk, so I stopped using it. I mearly tried to fix the patch as a learning exercise.
22:17:30webguest53ok, so when it moves images it doesnt move the old bootloader it overwrites it
22:18:03linuxstb_If the new bootloader is larger than the old one, it will still need to move images.
22:18:36webguest53ok thanks, I just wanted to know if i had two rockbox bootloaders installed
22:19:35Soaproolku: I would be interested in what the implications of my hackish fix are, though.
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22:19:58linuxstb_roolku: I don't think it belongs in the advanced menu, as it's not a hardware mod - 64MB of RAM is standard on the 60GB and 80GB video ipods.
22:20:41nodrogi cant connect the ipod at all to the computer now
22:21:05nodrogwhenever i reboot or plug it in it just goes to the no partition found screen
22:21:09roolkulinuxstb: you are right - so it should be done as an additional target?
22:21:19linuxstb_nodrog: Is it in disk mode?
22:21:50roolkulinuxstb: otherwise we get get an additional prompt for memory size (which I thought was undesirable)
22:22:03nodrogit says 'press menu select for reboot, or select+play for diskmode'
22:22:05linuxstb_roolku: Ideally it should be detected at runtime, so we only have to offer one build for both versions of the video. But that's not trivial.
22:22:08nodrogbut nothing happens when i do select-play
22:22:09midkayi haven't been keeping up with the usual complaints recently.. but has anybody mentioned that Rockbox sounds totally different lately? (on my iPod 5G at least.)
22:22:38Soapyou mean the French accent all my albums have now midkay?
22:22:50midkayhaha. not that. :D
22:22:52Lloreanmidkay: Have you tried resetting your settings, there was some strangeness with the EQ getting bad defaults.
22:23:09midkayLlorean: hmm.. i'll try that. i'm using the hardware EQ though.. and I have been for months.
22:23:26linuxstb_nodrog: http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+disk+mode
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22:24:50roolkulinuxstb: yes - I just thought I would fix the patch since I changed the configure - I don't have an ipod
22:24:58nodrogok its in diskmode linuxstb
22:25:10nodroghowever its just connected as a 'removable disk' and i cant actually access it
22:25:24nodrogit says its not formatted
22:25:28midkayLlorean: hmm.. still doesn't seem quite the same.
22:25:59Lloreanmidkay: Anything happen to your ears recently? ;)
22:26:24midkayLlorean: haha. hope not! :) i'll try an older build to be sure. seems like it might have come around the time of "software tone controls".
22:26:33midkaynot that they should be related, i think..
22:26:35LloreanWhich shouldn't be enabled for 5G, I thought.
22:26:40linuxstb_roolku: Yes, they probably should be separate builds, with separate names - e.g. ipodvideo32 and ipodvideo64
22:26:50midkayright.. which is why i'm a little confused.
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22:30:41midkayLlorean: it's a pretty subtle difference.. but i think I can hear it between today's and feb 2nd's build. let me compare once more..
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22:32:29DataGhostis there anyone in here running ipodlinux on a 5G+? (the ipodlinux channel isn't that alive right now :P)
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22:35:13nodroglinuxstb - is reinstalling rockbox likely to fix the file system?
22:35:17nodrogalso will i lose the stuff i have on it?
22:37:07midkayLlorean: i'm pretty positive that the latest build has a different sound... wider/more spread out if you will. there have been lots of sound-related changes over the past four weeks so I have no idea if/which one may have changed it.
22:37:45Lloreanmidkay: I haven't noticed it, but it may be iPod or even 5G specific maybe.
22:38:26linuxstb_nodrog: No, Rockbox installation won't fix your filesystem.
22:38:42midkayLlorean: hmm.. not seeing any complaints about it anywhere. but these are songs i've heard hundreds of times.. i can tell the slightest difference. :) maybe i can find someone else to see... or maybe just live with it. :)
22:38:49Soapmidkay: wasn't there a change to how crossfeed works (if you have that on)
22:38:55nodroghm, how do i fix the file system then? :/
22:39:09Lloreannodrog: Did you ever do that scandisk I recommended?
22:39:11midkaySoap: i'm not using it..
22:39:35nodrogi'll do it now
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22:40:39nodrogThe type of the file system is RAW.
22:40:40nodrogCHKDSK is not available for RAW drives.
22:40:42nodrogthats what i get
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22:41:19linuxstb_nodrog: Exactly what did you do before it stopped working? Sounds like your partition table is corrupted.
22:41:39nodrogi was just copying files from the ipod to my computer, then it stopped working
22:42:03Lloreannodrog: Did you Eject before unplugging?
22:42:06BigMacWhich DAP is the one that has you can add a bigger hdd and battery to
22:42:12LloreanBigMac: Most of them.
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22:42:46BigMacReally? So on an X5 I could?
22:43:33LloreanI believe that replacing the battery isn't really possible on the X5L at least, I'm not sure on the regular one.
22:43:46LloreanThe HD is probably replaceable though.
22:43:51LloreanOn either model.
22:44:06nodrogcan i just somehow format the ipod?
22:44:38midkayhmm.. anybody know why this hasn't been committed? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5591
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22:45:02Lloreanmidkay: Waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of sync last I heard?
22:45:19LloreanLike, out of sync to the extent where it's almost better to just rewrite it.
22:45:22midkayshouldn't be too hard to update, i think.. pretty simple change, at least that's what I assumed.
22:45:23LloreanExcept he vanished.
22:45:35midkayhaha. typical.
22:45:39LloreanI'd heard that some change had made it really hard to resync, but I could be wrong.
22:45:40midkayvery short patch file..
22:45:46LloreanI never actually looked myself.
22:46:02linuxstb_I think Slasheri has been looking at doing similar optimisations.
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22:46:51midkayi remember it giving a pretty huge scrolling improvement..
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22:47:51linuxstb_nodrog: Yes, you could try reformatting it - just make sure you select FAT32. Or see if itunes can restore it.
22:48:28nodrogi really dont want to lose the data on it :/
22:48:31nodrogok i'll donwload itunse
22:48:40Soapmidkay: did that one alone give the large improvement or 5594 - the one he did with scroll wheel acceleration?
22:48:57Lloreannodrog: Reformatting or Restoring will lose all data on it.
22:48:58linuxstb_nodrog: Can you still access the data?
22:49:36midkaySoap: that one alone.. it's not hard to see why. only redrawing two lines versus 12 or 16 or more.. browsing was much snappier.
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22:50:42nodrog <linuxstb_> nodrog: Can you still access the data? <−− no
22:50:47nodrogi cant access the drive at all
22:51:28linuxstb_But it's in disk mode now?
22:51:28nodrog<Llorean> nodrog: Reformatting or Restoring will lose all data on it. <- is there any chance itunes can fix it without wiping it all?
22:51:33nodrogyeah its in disk mode
22:51:53Lloreannodrog: No, there's no change of iTunes being able to fix it without wiping.
22:51:55Lloreannodrog: Did you Eject before unplugging?
22:51:58linuxstb_No, itunes always does a destructive restore.
22:52:06nodrogLlorean - no
22:52:28nodrogit messed up before i disconnected though
22:52:43nodrogas in it wasnt able to access it, then i disconnceted, and saw it wouldnt load
22:53:19Soapmidkay: looking at them I see where I was wrong. I was thinking 5594 included 5591, but it only includes 5526 - his scroll wheel acceleration API
22:53:52nodroghm, so if itunes wont help should i just format it manually?
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22:54:19midkaySoap: ah. i didn't even look at 5594 or anything else, because i know that 5591 is the one that sped up scrolling for me. :)
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22:58:58LloreanjhMikeS: You present?
22:59:20pixelmaDoes somebody know in what currency the prices that are listed in the "BuyersGuide" wiki page are supposed to be? I guess $ but I'm not sure
22:59:31nodrogshall i format this ipod? :/
22:59:53jhMikeSLlorean: si
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23:00:04LloreanjhMikeS: Voiced recording seems to be broken on the H120.
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23:00:33LloreanjhMikeS: There's at least two people in the mailing list reporting consistent hard (I think) freezes.
23:00:49jhMikeSLlorean: voiced? you mean mic in?
23:01:21LloreanVoiced as in "while using a voice file"
23:01:29LloreanThough in this case, the mic is the input too.
23:01:42LloreanFor at least one of the two, the other didn't give much information in regards to what he's doing.
23:01:59jhMikeSalways voice :\ that crap never stops
23:02:36jhMikeSMy mailing list stuff must be messed up still
23:02:42linuxstb_dan_a: Rolo isn't working at all on my Color with latest SVN
23:02:49midkaypixelma: looks like USD.. although I don't personally think that page is too useful at the moment.
23:03:31midkaypixelma: it lists some specs.. but that's pointless because if you want to know this stuff you should check the much more comprehensive DeviceChart. a page on the functionality/usability status on each target might be handy though (like the Subjective discussion section).
23:03:37dan_alinuxstb_: Let me just check I didn't commit the idiotically broken version
23:03:47pixelmathanks - and I agree. I just thought that it shouldn't give false information
23:04:01jhMikeSLlorean: I've had problems with hard freezing when the backlight fades occassionally.
23:04:20midkaypixelma: good idea. :)
23:05:59dan_alinuxstb_: Hmmmm, the code looks right. Does RoLo hang at "Executing...". and do you have a main and a codec thread on the COP?
23:06:02LloreanjhMikeS: I'll try to find out if it happens at backlight fade.
23:06:21Soaproolku: thank you for the proper fix. What was the verdict on my hack? Or did you even look?
23:06:22pixelmamidkay: :) I'll add the currency and a link to the device chart - and then probably forget about it ;)
23:06:26jhMikeSLlorean: please guide me to the proper thread. I see I'm gonna have to fix up my mailing list stuff.
23:06:36midkaypixelma: haha. sounds like a plan! :)
23:06:45LloreanjhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-03/0162.shtml
23:06:46linuxstb_dan_a: Yes and Yes
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23:07:19linuxstb_dan_a: Does it work for you?
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23:08:20dan_alinuxstb_: It did, but I made a couple of tweaks to make the 3G OK before committing. They shouldn't have broken it, but I'll just double check
23:08:57linuxstb_I also had some patches which _shouldn't_ have affected it. I'm just trying a clean build now.
23:09:29jhMikeSIf it has anything to do with menu updates I may have a clue...will investigate.
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23:09:54roolkuSoap: You added your code to a section that I had marked for deletion. :) Seemed to be okay otherwise from a cursory glance
23:10:21Lloreanlinuxstb_: How do I get a RoLo-able image of the disk mode, for example?
23:10:28dan_alinuxstb_: I also compiled using the wrong version of GCC (4.1.1 instead of 4.0.3) so I'll check that too
23:11:06linuxstbLlorean: I wrote a program to extract them - let me upload it to the IpodFlash wiki page....
23:11:29LloreanThanks
23:11:30amiconnYeehah! Time for a "ladies & gentlemen" email :D
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23:11:45pixelma\o/
23:11:47nls:-D
23:12:02amiconnTeh M5L is playing music
23:12:05nlssecond fastest rockbox oprt ever?
23:12:09roolkunls: there is a slight problem with the way you have enabled morse-input: The auto-repeat is broken in a funny way :)
23:12:28amiconnnls: I've beaten my own record by 1 hour :)
23:12:39nlsamiconn: nice!
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23:12:51roolkuamiconn: congrats :)
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23:12:58nlsroolku: That's why I wanted someone to test it :-P
23:13:00Lloreandan_a: I can confirm, it hanged on executing Rockbox.ipod
23:13:03nlsbut what happends
23:13:04LloreanWith RoLo
23:13:13dan_aamiconn, nls: Which one was as quick? (Well done, amiconn!)
23:13:23amiconn9 hours from getting hold of the unit to music playing
23:13:34amiconndan_a: The mini G2 took me 10 hours
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23:14:11amiconnThis time it was mostly a question of checking for #ifdef IAUDIO_X5 and add the M5 there
23:14:12roolkunls: the easy solution is to remove the second ACTION_KBD_BACKSPACE line and lose the auto-repeat for backspace all together (which would be a shame)
23:14:21midkayamiconn: congrats! what are the major differences between X5/M5? are there many/any?
23:14:42amiconn(and of course writing the lcd driver, but this is basically the H100 lcd driver with the M5 port addresses)
23:14:51midkayah, a grayscale LCD..
23:14:54pixelmagreyscale screen / no FM (?) / no USB otg
23:14:55amiconnyup
23:15:09amiconnSame controller as the H1x0, but physically different panel
23:15:11pixelmabut: no need to use the subpack
23:15:21midkayinteresting.. is it as slow as the H100 LCD? :)
23:15:30amiconn(slightly smaller, but significantly faster)
23:16:06midkaythat's nice to hear. 160x128?
23:16:12pixelmayes
23:16:19midkayvery nice. :)
23:16:22amiconnNow I have to clean up the tree (I've duplicated many files from X5 which are essentially identcal), then commit
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23:16:49midkayand add it to our ever-growing list of "rockbox runs on the following models" :)
23:16:51*bluebrother sees another manual coming ...
23:17:08amiconnbluebrother: Not many differences, really. Same keypad etc
23:17:13*pixelma gets to work editing the svg...
23:17:31dan_alinuxstb_, Llorean: Confirmed here as well. Sigh.
23:17:32linuxstbLlorean: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFlash
23:17:37bluebrothersure, it's basically combining x5 and h100 manual a bit ;-)
23:17:48amiconnHmm, maybe I'll wait with the commit until tomorrow. Then I can hopefully provide a correct sim background as well
23:17:52bluebrotherbut it needs to be done. Someone give me some free time!
23:18:19nlsroolku: You'll have to describe it more clearly, it works perfectly in the sim and I don't have a gigabeat
23:18:32pixelmabluebrother: what needs to be done? The platform file - what else?
23:19:09bluebrothernot exactly sure −− adjusting some optionals most likely
23:19:29bluebrotherand one or two new screenshots because of the missing fm radio
23:19:37Lloreanlinuxstb: Cool, thanks
23:19:41bluebrotherbtw, the x5 has a radio, hasn't it?
23:19:48pixelmayes it has
23:20:27linuxstbLlorean: On the Nano, you'll also get a "logo.ipod" file, which is a bit pointless, but the bootloader stores the Apple logo as if it was an application image.
23:20:42roolkunls: I haven't actually tried it yet, but from looking at the action definition, a backspace happens on either the repeat or the release event
23:20:55linuxstbLlorean: The video ipods also have a firmware which presumably runs on the Broadcom chip.
23:21:12roolkunls: so you press - nothing happens, you wait it starts deleting, you let go it deletes one more than you wanted
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23:22:07nlsroolku: ah, yes but repeat delete is hardly precise anyway because it is really fast :-)
23:23:01jhMikeSman, I think I'm gonna allow the H120 keyboard to select the text so I can move the cursor just like the x5...and allow the current way that I hate too.
23:23:07roolkunls: I think power+A might be a better option since power is used for combinations already
23:23:58*roolku tries to parse what jhMikeS just said :)
23:24:48LloreanScroll up/down onto the line that the filename is?
23:24:50jhMikeSpressing the joystick and the power button combo to move the cursor is just awkward. I just want to select the line and move the cursor with the joystick. Both ways can be functional at the same time really.
23:25:02*Llorean is all for that.
23:25:18roolkusounds good
23:30:41nlsroolku: ok, commited changed button combo now :-)
23:31:12jhMikeSI was complaining cause I had to rename my voice file. I have to update it though but the old one causes no freeze.
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23:35:40roolkunls: cheers :) (I was wrong about the extra delete - the release event had a pre-condition)
23:36:06BigMacBuild (S)DL version? (S)
23:36:12BigMacWhat is the difference
23:36:19Lloreandan_a: At least one person is reporting Data Aborts on the 5G w/ COP enabled.
23:36:32roolkuBigMac: there used to be other options, now there is only one
23:36:43bluebrotherthat's a leftover from the times when there was a separate x11 and w32 version
23:36:52Lloreanroolku: The other options are still there, I believe, just hidden.
23:36:54dan_aLlorean: Thanks, I'll look into it
23:37:03Lloreandan_a: I don't know if he has the newest bootloader yet, though
23:37:15BigMachmm It says I need to install sdl?
23:37:20Lloreandan_a: It's a user in the forums who's frequently driven me up the wall with his inability to provide coherent answers, etc.
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23:37:48BigMacLlorean: Me:x?
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23:38:50BigMacI'll take that as a yes...
23:39:08LloreanBigMac: Did you mention a data abort regarding the 5G, because that's what I was talking to dan_a about, if you'd paid attention
23:39:12LloreanIt's pretty clear I'm not referring to you.
23:39:51BigMacI just tabbed in and you were talking to me so I figured it was a logical connection
23:40:05roolkuLlorean: true, I doubt they will still work though (W32 & X11)
23:40:40Lloreanroolku: Probably not, no.
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23:41:46BigMacHow do I install sdl, it is not covered in the guide
23:42:30LloreanBigMac: If you installed Cygwin as per the guide, or if you used the VMWare image, I believe both include SDL.
23:42:44BigMacI am on Ubuntu
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23:44:18saratogathe ubuntu package manager can install sdl
23:44:27saratogaload it up from the start menu thing, and then search for sdl
23:44:31saratogatakes about 30 seconds
23:46:21BigMacI just tried the terminal route, didn't think to use synaptic
23:48:08roolkunls: power-a works fine :)
23:48:25nlsroolku: good, thanks for testing :-)
23:49:33nlsBigMac: install the package called ibsdl1.2-dev and you should be fine
23:49:51nlslibsdl1.2-dev obviously
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23:50:44saratogathis is shaping up to be a good week
23:50:49saratogafirst COP gets commited
23:50:57saratogaand maybe we'll get the sansa docs on friday
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23:51:11saratogawhich means i'd get to order a sansa on saturday
23:51:15nlsit's only 4 minutes left of the week here
23:51:29saratogahaha
23:51:35saratogawell, good 7 days then
23:51:43saratogadepending on time zone
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23:52:08pixelmanls: I think your clock is a few minutes off ;)
23:52:16linuxstb_What's the situation with FM on the Sansa? Is it only the US models that have the necessary hardware?
23:53:29Lloreanlinuxstb_: I believe so, yes.
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23:54:31*dan_a can't figure out how he had RoLo working earlier
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23:57:43linuxstb_dan_a: Is it possible that rolo_restart() executes (and hence clears cpu_message) before the COP wakes up and notices that it's set?
23:58:20BigMacIf I applied patches to the source, and built the sim, will it apply those patches to the sim?
23:58:47LloreanYes

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