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#rockbox log for 2007-03-05

00:00:44*nls installs NTP support...
00:00:47 Join lImbus [0] (n=lImbus@port-83-236-56-21.dynamic.qsc.de)
00:00:51lImbushi all
00:00:55dan_alinuxstb_: Just trying to work that out
00:00:58lImbuscongratz amiconn
00:03:09lImbusJens ?
00:03:17amiconnyes
00:04:16lImbus:)
00:04:39lImbuslong time not seen. geeeez
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00:06:15 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com)
00:07:24lImbussomebody looking for a h320 owner keen on trying out the new bootloader ;-) ?
00:15:47 Quit ender` (" It could have been worse. Imagine you were trying to download pr0n and you end up with some naruto ep.")
00:16:22perldiverso...left-to-wps is dead forever?
00:17:42 Join cadu [0] (i=CaduMimi@ZS119217.ppp.dion.ne.jp)
00:17:52caduhttp://www.geeks.com/additem.asp?InvtId=MEGF40S&Cat=MP3
00:18:05cadufound a gigabeat F40 :P
00:18:17cadu+-180USD
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00:18:38caduwill this do for a nice rockbox host ? :)
00:19:02Lloreancadu: That Gigabeat will serve quite well as a Rockbox palyer
00:19:03Lloreanplayer
00:19:07perldiveryou can find one for $100-140 on ebay
00:19:36caduperldiver, heard about it, but as this thing isn't flash storage ...i prefer to buy new :P
00:19:55perldiverim talking about the brand new ones
00:20:24caduwhoa!
00:20:48cadubtw i did a small search here in japan for older models from toshiba
00:21:06perldiveroh you're in japan?
00:21:09caduthe guy told me that when a collection is going to be released, toshiba recalls all former models :(
00:21:18perldiveryou can as well hunt for X30 or X60 then
00:21:27caduthat's why my chance of finding a Fxx or a Xxx here is impossible
00:21:38perldivertry japanese amazon and ebay
00:21:40caduas they're already being supplanted by the brand new spanking Sxx model :(
00:21:44perldiverthey had all models last time i checked
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00:25:33caduchecking...
00:25:41Ranbeehi, do some themes use more power then others? my battery % is going down at about 1 ever 2 minutes.
00:26:08ShaidDoes your theme have peak meters on it?
00:26:24LloreanAnd since you're looking at the theme, is the backlight on?
00:26:47RanbeeShaid: not sure. i'm using the black glass one right now, but i'm new to rockbox so i thought i'd ask before i download everything
00:26:49caduLlorean, perldiver : thanks, i've been talking here with some guys about the gigabeat and i'm quite interested, i'll be buying it with the sole purpose of having a nice rockbox platform, with some good battery life (they told me to avoid ipods :P)
00:27:25RanbeeLlorean: yeap, i asked about that already, i suppose i'll put it back to 5 :| and stop playing around so much lol
00:27:27perldivercadu you won't be disappointed
00:27:34ShaidRanbee: Are you on an iPod?
00:27:41RanbeeShaid: yes
00:27:41LloreanRanbee: Having the backlight on will hurt your battery life a very, very large amount.
00:27:49caduperldiver, thank you for your support :P
00:28:03RanbeeLlorean: thanks, i'll put it back to 5 :)
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00:28:24ShaidiPods don't currently have the best battery performance in rockbox either, unfortunately.
00:28:39caduanyway, i'm not a coder person (can do some python and some silly C hacking) but if you guys need any translation service for -brazillian portuguese- just put me in :P
00:28:44perldivercadu, np. i would try to get an X30 red :P
00:29:03caduperldiver, what's the difference between the F30 and the X30 ? thinner ?
00:29:14perldiverthinner, a little bigger screen
00:29:49perldivercosmetic differences really, just nicer to the eye and hand :P
00:30:07LloreanDoesn't the X have worse battery life?
00:30:13LloreanBecause of the screen?
00:30:16RanbeeOK, thanks everyone, i think it much be the light, i can't stop playing around with it so the light is on all the time :D thanks for letting me know.
00:30:22perldiveralso there's no F30, just 10, 20, 40 and 60
00:30:27perldiverLlorean slightly
00:30:35perldiverfew hours here and there
00:30:53ShaidRanbee: Also, are you changing songs a lot?
00:31:02Shaidcause spinning the drive will lower battery too.
00:31:03LloreanA few _hours_ is a bit more than slightly. :-P
00:31:21perldiverLlorean well, 1 to 2 hours, let's say
00:31:59RanbeeShaid: yeap, i think i just need to put it on hold and put it down. i'll know from now on.
00:32:08Shaidhehe
00:32:26Ranbee:P
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00:36:42dan_aHahahahaha! I've just got a prefetch abort at "C0EDBABE" - That can't be a coincidence
00:37:12Shaidlol
00:37:24Lloreandan_a: I used to get those with something.
00:37:28Shaidyour rockbox really likes you. ;)
00:37:28robin0800soap didn't relise kcop had been committed this is what broke the build and not your patch
00:37:30LloreanC0EDBABE and DEADBEEE
00:37:59Shaidsounds like someone hid an easter egg in the code
00:38:28dan_aDEADBEEF is a stack overflow in Rockbox, DEADBEEE would be related. C0EDBABE might be from the Apple code
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00:47:57mcphailHi. I'm trying the ipod-3g rockbox for the first time. It crashes (a lot). Is this a problem with the daily build? Would using an older build help?
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00:48:40Lloreanmcphail: What exactly do you mean by 'crashes'?
00:49:05mcphailLlorean: locks up, especially when trying to power down
00:49:13mcphailLlorean: requiring reset
00:49:52mcphailLlorean: also randomly locks up when browsing or playing from database
00:49:54dan_amcphail: I think that that problem is related to frequency scaling - try going into the debug menu, selecting CPU frequency and scrolling backwards to increase the "boost count"
00:50:10mcphaildan_a: thank you. i'll try that
00:50:28 Quit robin0800 ("If you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people.")
00:51:27mcphaildan_a: how far should i scroll back?
00:51:51dan_amcphail: If you make the boost count 2 or 3, that should be fine
00:52:09mcphaildan_a: thanks
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00:54:31dan_alinuxstb_: Fixed here by r12609 - how does it look to you?
00:54:38LinusNJdGordon: three?
00:54:42JdGordonhey
00:54:46LinusNJdGordon: there, i mean
00:55:01JdGordontoo tired to notice the tyoo :p
00:55:02JdGordonwassup?
00:55:30LinusNi'm working on fixing the issue where the "Resume" item isn't voiced
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00:55:58JdGordonok
00:56:01LinusN(gave me quite a headache) :-)
00:56:08JdGordonhehe sorry :D
00:56:32LinusNi have a solution that works, but there is one quirk
00:56:39donvitohas anyone here heard anything regarding the sansa rhapsody dev?
00:57:02Lloreandonvito: The forum thread is, I believe, up to date.
00:57:02LinusNi must say that the way of handling dynamic menu items is not very handy
00:57:38dan_adonvito: None of the core developers have Rhapsodys, so all we know is what is in the thread
00:57:45donvitoLlorean: ok, i was just checking, because no one's really said anything useful yet hah
00:57:52JdGordonyeah, unfortunatly it didnt work out as nicely as I hoped there... onplay.c becomes horrible after converting.. so im still working on it
00:58:00donvitodan_a: ahh i see
00:58:20donvitowell i have a rhapsody, and i am willing to test things if needed
00:58:35LloreanWell, the forum thread says what needs to be tested.
00:59:00LinusNJdGordon: anyway, my solution is this:
00:59:05donvitolike what bagder says on pg 45?
00:59:12LloreanYes
00:59:40donvitook, does the current emulator work with rhapsody fw?
00:59:57LinusN1) always use P2STR() in gui/list.c for the list item string
01:00
01:00:19Lloreandonvito: The emulator isn't really related to this sort of testing
01:01:20donvitoyea nvm stupid question ha
01:01:35donvitoi guess im just asking because im also trying to figure something else out
01:01:40LinusN2) let talk_menu_item() check for DYNAMIC_DESC and call the callback to get the string
01:02:14LinusN3) let the get_wps_item_name() callback return the ID pointer instead of the string
01:03:57JdGordonisnt it easier to add a 2nd callback to the menu_get_name_and_icon struct in menu.h to get the voice id?
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01:05:23LinusNperhaps, but all these callbacks are driving me nuts
01:05:41amiconnLinusN: Could you add a new build, or will I have to wait for B4gder?
01:06:04LinusNonly the get_wps_item_name() callback is called 4 times for every cursor movement
01:06:10donvitoLlorean: is the bootloader linked in that thread specifically for the r or is it just re-encrypted
01:06:19LinusNamiconn: i'd rather let bagder do it
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01:06:50stevepastelanhowdy
01:07:14***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:07:41Lloreandonvito: I'm not really sure.
01:07:46dan_aHi, stevepastelan
01:08:04donvitoLlorean: ok, well i am going to try a few things for a bit, ill let you know what happens
01:08:24Lloreandonvito: Useful information should be recorded in the thread.
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01:08:45donvitoLlorean: makes sense :]
01:09:07JdGordonLinusN: 4 times?
01:09:32LinusNyes
01:10:08LinusNi can imagine it being called for each screen (main and remote)
01:10:26JdGordonthats still only twice tho
01:10:30LinusNyes
01:10:58JdGordonbut that really just means the list widget needs to buffer some lines
01:11:09LinusNbtw, the selected item is not spoken when the root menu is first displayed
01:11:48JdGordonare any menus voiced when they are first entered?
01:12:12LinusNyes, the selected entry is spoken
01:12:19stevepastelanI have a general question
01:12:26LinusNstevepastelan: shoot
01:12:42stevepastelanI heard that rockbox improves the battery life of devices.. does that hold true for the iPod (Video)?
01:12:47LloreanNo
01:12:57stevepastelani.e. drains less than the official firmware
01:13:03LinusNstevepastelan: quite the opposite i'm afraid
01:13:04stevepastelanah
01:13:13LloreanAll of the PortalPlayer targets, including all currently supported iPods, have significantly worse battery life than they should right now.
01:13:25caduperldiver, i prefer the 'a few hours' longer battery life model ;)
01:13:56Lloreancadu: I wouldn't sacrifice even half an hour of battery life for a 0.2 inch larger screen, personally. :)
01:14:11cadume neither :)
01:14:22cadui won't be looking at it at all :P
01:14:34caduif it has a smaller screen, good to me
01:14:42caduif i wanna -game- i get my handheld :P
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01:14:51LloreanWell, they're the same resolution anyway.
01:15:08cadubtw, how difficult would be to port rockbox to GP2X ?
01:15:08LinusNJdGordon: btw, what is this "buffer" argument supposed to be used for?
01:15:24caduit has an u-boot standard bootloader (on these arm boards)
01:15:33caduall hardware is documented , datasheets available
01:15:34JdGordonwhere?
01:15:43Lloreancadu: It'd pretty much just depend on how much time someone was willing to spend doing it.
01:15:48Shaidwell, all you need is a developer who wants to port it, cadu.
01:15:53LinusNJdGordon: in the menu callbacks
01:16:00robin0800I get a reported 9 hrs on ipod video 60gb with album art patch and 64mb memory patch
01:16:24caduShaid, no one here has one ? :P
01:16:42JdGordonLinusN: its the same as the list callback, so buffer is a static buffer to copy the text into (unless it can just be returned)
01:17:14caduand another question....how difficult would be to put rockbox as a standalone application..like, run its kernel in usermode and redirect screen to say...a SDL surface and buttons to a joystick ?
01:17:22Lloreancadu: Almost everyone in this channel focuses on actual digital audio players, rather than converting game devices or other things into being digital audio players.
01:17:38caduLlorean, oh got it :)
01:17:40Lloreancadu: And, see the UI simulator for 'Rockbox as a standalone SDL app'
01:17:47LinusNJdGordon: i see
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01:18:41caduLlorean, link ? :)
01:18:48 Part nls
01:18:56Lloreancadu: It's in the source. You just pick it as a compile option.
01:19:04caduwow
01:19:08cadudoing it now :)
01:19:16LloreanIt' simulate's the user interface of a specific player
01:19:20Kasperlewow. was something fundamental changed in rockbox?
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01:19:24mcphailIs there anyway to increase the scrollwheel sensitivity on the 3g-ipod?
01:19:24LloreanBut it's basically a stand-alone SDL compile of Rockbox.
01:19:27Kasperlei'm getting tons of signedness warnings right now
01:19:30caduLlorean, does it plays audio thruu OSS or ALSA ?
01:19:42LloreanI'm really not sure, but it does play audio.
01:19:51Lloreanmcphail: Not at this time, no
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01:20:09Kasperleoverlay.c:89: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'rb->open' differ in signedness
01:20:28mcphailLlorean: ok, is there any way to ignore the "The" in artist names?
01:20:39Kasperlelike that. i don't recall there being that many warnings during a build
01:20:44LloreanKasperle: You'll notice there aren't a whole bunch of warnings in the build table. Is there something non-standard about your environment?
01:21:02Nuk3Quick question guys−−Is there an ETA for the rockbox iPod 80gig port?
01:21:05Lloreanmcphail: There's a patch in the tracker for that, but you have to compile.
01:21:10KasperleLlorean: i'm on FreeBSD, other than that, no.
01:21:13LloreanNuk3: No. It'll be done when it gets done.
01:21:31LinusNi'm getting a nasty noise at the end of each spoken item (X5)
01:21:32mcphailLlorean: will it be entering the main trunk build any time soon?
01:21:33Nuk3Llorean−−understood.
01:21:45Lloreanmcphail: Who knows.
01:21:56LinusNi wonder if my voice file is b0rked
01:22:03*jhMikeS can't even get voice to run again after loading settings and rebooting on H120
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01:24:17KasperleLlorean: does the build table even display warnings?
01:24:25LloreanKasperle: Yes.
01:24:34jhMikeSresetting them brings it back :\
01:24:35LloreanYellow builds are warnings, red are errors.
01:24:52Kasperlestrange
01:25:48JdGordonhow do you extract a 7z archive?
01:25:59JdGordontzr x blaa.7z does nothing
01:27:01Kasperle7zip is some archiver software. might have its own nonstandard format
01:27:07Kasperlei think it's open source, too
01:27:59LinusNJdGordon: it seems the first item is spoken on the target, but not in the sim
01:28:50linuxstbKasperle: Which gcc version do you have?
01:28:57Kasperlelinuxstb: 4.0.3
01:29:03Kasperlelinuxstb: compiled with rockboxdev.sh
01:30:49JdGordonLinusN: well that makes sense :p
01:32:54dan_aKasperle: Have you tried doing a make clean and then reconfiguring?
01:33:04*jhMikeS trying to test his but is having a futile attempt at getting a drive letter to show up
01:33:21Kasperledan_a: i think i did. i just tried again in a fresh shell and the warnings are gone
01:33:49Kasperlei'm pretty sure i cleaned out and configured before, sorry
01:34:46JdGordonhaha voice in the rockbox info screen is funny :D
01:35:06linuxstbdan_a: I've just tried rolo - when I try to rolo Rockbox, it works, but I don't get any threads on the COP :(
01:35:25linuxstbThe codec thread is created on the main cpu.
01:36:08dan_alinuxstb: Hmmm - that means that the COP doesn't run init_threads()
01:36:12linuxstbAnd then if I try rolo again, it just freezes on "Waiting for coprocessor..."
01:36:53donvitocan an inncorrectly patched BL for a sansa brick it completely?
01:38:42dan_adonvito: Eh? Who patches their Sansa BLs?
01:39:07donvitodan_a: its a rhapsody, im trying to get rockbox to boot
01:39:50dan_aI know - what are you patching the bootloader with?
01:40:26donvitodan_a: well mi4code blpatch
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01:42:50Kasperlelinuxstb: fwiw, the same happens on my 5.5g with a fresh build
01:43:11perldiverquick menu (shuffle, repeat, show file) looks weird on gigabeat now
01:43:19perldivershuffle and repeat
01:43:26perldiverare not alligned
01:43:46JdGordonLinusN: your right! its not voiced in the sim bu i is ont hte target... that makes no sense :p
01:43:53Lloreanperldiver: Aligned how?
01:43:57JdGordonperldiver: the text hasnt been alligned for ages
01:44:12LinusNJdGordon: probably some weird race or something
01:44:17Lloreanperldiver: Shuffle has always been slightly above repeat
01:44:22perldiverwhat i mean is that "shuffe" is higher than "repeat" now
01:44:28JdGordonor a sdl sound problem or something?
01:44:35LinusNJdGordon: possibly
01:44:36perldiverLlorean really? it was always on the same line for me till today
01:44:43Lloreanperldiver: No, it wasn't.
01:44:46JdGordonperldiver: its probably more noticable if your using a custom font
01:45:04perldivermaybe it was but wasn't enough to pay attention to
01:45:08LinusNbtw, the noise in my voice playback is a festival/lame issue
01:45:11perldivernow it's much higher
01:45:26dan_adonvito: I don't think that blpatch is intended for Sansas - you should be able to recover with e200tool, but are you trying this because someone has suggested it, or because the option was there?
01:45:31roolkuperldiver: the right arrow is above the Repeat now - that is what looks odd
01:45:55JdGordonperldiver: which font?
01:46:14donvitodan_a: ok, thats kind of what i thought, i was just trying it, because i was reading what bagder was saying on the forums about patching th bl to accept the rockbox mi4
01:46:47perldiverJdGordon helvR12
01:46:51donvitodan_a: i think all that needs to be done is to get the BL patched to accept the rockbox mi4, and then well be in business
01:47:06perldiverroolku that too
01:47:16LinusNJdGordon: i think selecting "Resume playback" and pressing Play should do the same thing
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01:47:33JdGordonI dont...
01:47:38LinusNwhy not?
01:47:46JdGordonif that were the case, and fm was playing, how could you resume your playlist?
01:47:48dan_adonvito: Can't we sign the Rockbox .mi4 with the Rhapsody key?
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01:47:55perldiverit's all messy now, i swear it was almost perfect in the past
01:47:57LloreanLinusN: Then the option needs to say "Resume Audio" not "Playback"
01:48:09LinusNhmmm
01:48:27donvitodan_a: well are you talking about the pp5022.mi4 bootloader that bagder mentioned in that thread? (its ~50kb)
01:48:43LinusNJdGordon: i guess you're right
01:49:14Lloreanperldiver: It hasn't changed how it displayes
01:49:17LinusNwe definitely need to eat our own dog food regarding the voice support
01:49:22JdGordonthis gb sim is bloody huge!
01:49:29Lloreanperldiver: You're using a different font, with different spacing, and so it looks different, but it's an aspect of your font.
01:49:37dan_adonvito: Any mi4 which we make. The first step will be to decrypt the original Rhapsody mi4, re-encrypt it and run that
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01:49:43JdGordonLinusN: ??? what the heck does that mean?
01:49:45perldiverLlorean yeah but it was perfect with this font
01:49:51perldiverim using it for ages now
01:49:57Lloreanperldiver: The screen was never displayed in your font until now
01:50:04perldiveroh
01:50:07Lloreanperldiver: Prior to the change, that screen always used the same font no matter which you had set.
01:50:10LinusNit means that we should try to navigate without looking at the screen to verify the voice
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01:50:14donvitodan_a: so you mean decrypt the original fw and then re-encrypt it?
01:50:23perldiverLlorean so this is the case here, i see
01:50:39JdGordonperldiver: ok, ive got the sim open, i see what you mean
01:50:42dan_adonvito: Yes
01:50:49LloreanJdGordon: It's just that it looks bad with that font.
01:50:56LloreanJdGordon: With Rockbox_default it looks exactly as it did before.
01:51:05donvitodan_a: ok, with what key? the dummy or something else/
01:51:08perldivergotcha
01:51:11JdGordonof course.. i tihnk the icon positions are hardcoded for the sysfont
01:51:34LloreanProbably
01:51:41LloreanThe icons should be fixed.
01:51:46dan_adonvito: Try the dummy one, and try the Rhapsody one
01:51:48JdGordonyep
01:52:26donvitodan_a: ok
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01:58:22*amiconn wonders whether he should edit the frontpage right now, before B4gder added the build
01:58:31LinusNdo that
02:00
02:01:50LloreanAnd oddly enough there's no 'New Ports' thread for me to close
02:02:02amiconnhehe
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02:05:01linuxstb_Is the M3 next?
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02:10:48JdGordonis there an easy way to get the y pixel that a line starts on?
02:11:07JdGordonfont_height*line doesnt work, i guess because there is a gap between lines :'(
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02:15:11bonbonthejonJdGordon: (font_height+1)* line, maybe
02:15:48cadurockbox does crossfading ?
02:15:55LinusNyes
02:16:02caduwoohoo.
02:16:36JdGordonbonbonthejon: closer.. but still off
02:17:16bonbonthejonJdGordon: i'm just guessing, maybe its +2, one on top, one on bottom
02:17:40LloreanDon't different font sizes have different vertical spacings?
02:17:44bonbonthejonJdGordon: how could i write and compile a plugin? what is the process
02:17:46Lloreaner, different fonts, rather
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02:19:04JdGordonbonbonthejon: guide on the wiki...
02:19:13bonbonthejonJdGordon: ok, ill look
02:19:23linuxstb_JdGordon: Look at the implementation of lcd_puts() - lcd_getstringsize(str, &w, &h); ypos = ymargin + y*h;
02:20:47JdGordoni was looking at the scroll implementation.. but it does the same thing
02:23:37caduperldiver, Toshiba MEGF40S....buying this week :)
02:23:37*LinusN goes to bed
02:23:43LinusNnite all
02:23:46JdGordoncya
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02:24:02JdGordonwhy cant we set a line to scroll on any x/y point?
02:25:59amiconnlinuxstb: M3 will be somewhat harder. (1) Power management must be different - no PCF50606 (2) We have to teach the gui api that there can be a remote lcd with no main lcd
02:27:08caduthe toshiba gigabeat port supports the 'cross' as a scroll too ?
02:27:17Soapdo I need to run rockboxdev.sh again after dan_a's reworkings?
02:28:07JdGordonamiconn: for (2) it shouldnt be all that hard, it still only has 1 screen then, so just make SCREEN_MAIN actually the remote for that target
02:28:25amiconnThat wouldn't be wise
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02:28:46amiconnThe remote is conceptually different from the main lcd, as it can be detached
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02:29:58cadulike, can i slide my finger and scroll playlist/menus ?
02:30:04Lloreancadu: No.
02:30:13LloreanThe four directions on it are treated as buttons.
02:30:25caduokay :)
02:30:40LloreanIt may not be to everyone's liking, but I certainly like it that way
02:30:46caduthat would be super :P
02:30:51caduLlorean, toggle option ;)
02:31:13Lloreancadu: I just don't like the idea of having to pick up my finger while scrolling long lists.
02:31:52caduLlorean, like, you separate your songs in albums right? can you create playlists on the fly by adding full directories ?
02:32:05caduand if so, does it read subdirs inside those too ?
02:32:26JdGordonyes and yes if its enabled
02:32:27Lloreancadu: Yes. Many of your questions will be answered in the manual
02:32:39caduLlorean, okay, sorry for bugging.
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02:35:58BigMacWhy is this syntax for coverart not working
02:35:59BigMac%Cl|5|8|100|100|
02:36:26dan_aSoap: (I notice this didn't get into the logs...) No, not yet at least. That's for something I'm going to start playing with
02:38:49BigMacThat is what the wiki said
02:38:53LloreanBigMac: Cover Art is not a feature of Rockbox, you should ask either the patch provider or the provider of whichever build you're having problems with.
02:41:02BigMacLlorean: Yah, but it has a patch in the tracker, I built it myself, it has a page in the rockbox wiki, and I was just asking if I was using the correct syntax
02:41:58amiconnooops
02:42:18amiconnThe build table has become _very_ wide now
02:42:35amiconnLooks like LinusN forgot to add vertical text gfx
02:44:42JdGordonalso the .zip
02:49:09Soapthank you dan_a
02:50:02caduperldiver, as i said, japan is a prick.
02:50:16caduperldiver, even on amazon.com , all older series models are in 'not shipping' state :P
02:50:25cadus/amazon.com/amazon.co.jp
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03:29:56riffichi
03:30:48riffictoday's build for ipod 5g seems to be suffering from all sorts of instablities, am I supposed to be using this version?
03:32:57Lloreanriffic: Have you updated your bootloader recently?
03:34:33rifficnope
03:34:37riffici'll give that a try
03:34:48rifficdoh, cable is in the car
03:37:34riffichas the bootloader changed by much?
03:38:31LloreanWell, the new version (with the black backdrop) is required for the coprocessor changes to function properly
03:38:39rifficah
03:38:44rifficokay i'll give that a shot
03:41:21rifficoh I think I ran down the battery =(
03:41:35rifficcharge damnit
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03:43:43rifficoh its not charging
03:44:24rifficah there it goes
03:44:25rifficscared me
03:44:39rifficipodpatcher needs to be run with sudo?
03:46:15rifficoh nice black background
03:47:09rifficyou guys are beautiful
03:49:15rifficnow I can listen to the new wilco lp
03:49:24rifficsky blue sky
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05:09:10pleahelpwow
05:09:29pleahelpLot's of people here - that's great to see... I need help to a simple question
05:10:39pleahelpI learned from reading the forums, that there is a way to increase font size, that was, to check the daily builds for font size increases - I searched there... but couldn't find it... then I read over the manual (couldn't find help there), so if someone would please help me find out a way to increase the font size so my eyes don't hurt, that would be greatly appreciated.
05:11:00midgeyhave you installed the font package?
05:11:35pleahelpsorry.... no I have not ... I saw on the forums that was on the "current build" page, but I could not find it there
05:11:44midgeyhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip
05:12:33pleahelpwell - thanks for helping out a noob.. I know you probably get these lame questions all the time (trust me, I tried to prevent this by doing my own research before hand) - Thanks for the help... have downloaded the file now and will take a look... have a great day
05:12:49midgeyno problem
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05:23:31Nimdaeit seems i found a problem with the latest build of rockbox for 5g
05:24:00Nimdaeit won't play
05:24:24Nimdaeit says play but it doesn't do anything
05:24:50FebsYou need to have the most current bootloader installed.
05:25:08Nimdaei have a recent one
05:25:33Nimdaeenough to get cop working
05:25:55Nimdaeheh, it detected usb connection and froze
05:26:29Nimdaeok i'm gonna get the latest bootloader
05:27:03Nimdaealso, on the build page, the new iaudio m5 build images don't show right, heh
05:30:39bonbonthejonis there somewhere that documents the new menu structure, the manuals don't mention the new way
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05:36:21Nimdaeafk while rockbox build
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05:44:20Nimdaeare there tools for building a win32 binary of the ipodpatcher in linux?
05:44:25Nimdaels
05:44:29Nimdaewrong window, heh
05:45:18Nimdaethe bootloader is bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod, right?
05:48:34Nimdaedid the wiki go down?
05:49:19bonbonthejonNimdae: no the wiki is fine here
05:49:32Nimdaei can't reach it
05:49:35Nimdae:(
05:50:21Nimdaeinteresting
05:50:50Nimdaei went to www.rockbox.com, then clicked on the wiki from there and the same page loads fine
05:50:54Nimdaeanyway, back to patching
05:51:01FebsNimdae: you should be able to simply run ipodpatcher from here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IpodInstallationBeta
05:55:12Nimdaeyeah, i was trying to load that page but it kept timing out
05:55:19Nimdaei got it now though
05:55:37Nimdaenew bootloader installed
05:56:23Nimdaeok it appears to play now
05:57:31Nimdaethe new menu stuff is very nice
05:57:58Nimdaefiguring it out without a manual is not though :P
05:59:02Nimdaesweet, usb reboot works now
05:59:54bonbonthejonNimdae: I agree, I wanted to work on the manual, but I dont know where to start
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06:00:59Febsbonbonthejon: there are a couple of ways that you could work on the manual.
06:01:19FebsAre you at all familiar with LaTeX?
06:02:08bonbonthejonnot particularly
06:02:44FebsIn that case, you can just write up the changes that you think should be made and submit them to the patch tracker as patches under the category "manual."
06:06:12perldiverhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcrQmNFGfOs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdapreview%2Enet%2Fnews%2Ephp
06:07:48bonbonthejonFebs: ok. another question, why isnt more of the manual instead in the wiki
06:08:10bonbonthejonFebs: I mean, it seems like there are two sources of info, couldnt they be combined
06:09:19FebsI'm sure that there are instances where that is the case. However, I think that the manual is intended to be the ultimate end-user guide.
06:09:49FebsIt's the compilation of all of the relevant information.
06:10:26FebsAnd it's something that can be downloaded, printed out and kept as a reference, which is not something that can be easily done with the wiki.
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06:11:18FebsAnd we do consolidate when possible. For example: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WikiManual
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06:13:03FebsOn the other hand, there are instances, like the IpodInstallationBeta page I linked to earlier, where information is duplicated.
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06:17:19bonbonthejonFebs: how do i get a copy of the manual to edit in latex
06:17:29LloreanAnyone with a 5G in here?
06:17:38bonbonthejon4G
06:17:47Febsbonbonthejon: It's part of the Rockbox source. You can download it from SVN.
06:17:59bonbonthejonFebs: can i donload only the manual
06:18:31piercedb0iI just did something with my nano that I've never done before...I cant do it now though..
06:18:36FebsI don't know. I've never tried to download only part of the source, but if you want to try, it's contained in the directory trunk/manual.
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06:18:44FebsLlorean: yes.
06:18:58LloreanFebs: Mind looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6735 briefly?
06:19:13LloreanIt sounds like something that everyone should notice instantly if it's happening as described.
06:19:24FebsI saw it. I can partly duplicate the bug.
06:19:37LloreanPartly?
06:20:00FebsIf I play music and then let the disk spin down, and then enter the file browser, the disk will spin up again and continue to spin for a couple of minutes.
06:20:22piercedb0iAnyone have a 2nd Gen Nano?
06:20:25FebsThe bug report suggests that the disk will spin constantly, but I haven't been able to duplicate that.
06:20:52FebsNevertheless, there seems to be a lot of unnecessary disk activity.
06:21:04LloreanMan, I wish Flyspray had a "confirmed" status. The closest seems to be "assigned"
06:22:16JdGordonLlorean: it does have a confirmed/... doesnt it?
06:22:25LloreanJdGordon: Nope
06:22:30LloreanIt has "unconfirmed"
06:24:28JdGordonwe should start tihynking about using the assign feature of fs...
06:24:58LloreanOnly so far as assigning things to yourself, as if to say "I got this one, guys"
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06:25:16combrainsdoes nayone know when the button backlight code for the gigabeat f series will make it into the mainstream settings menu for the target?
06:25:18LloreanOr assigning the blame "I'm reasonably certain this one's JDGordon's fault" and so forth.
06:25:25piercedb0iIs it normal to be able to get into Ipod Diagnostics on the Nano 2nd gen?
06:26:16JdGordonLlorean: haha yea i guess so
06:26:23Lloreanpiercedb0i: You can on all the other iPods, I believe.
06:27:09FebsAfter clearing settings, I don't get the disk spinup when entering the file browser.
06:27:26piercedb0iI've never done it before and I was just messing around and it kicked on. I can change the color of the backlight its odd..
06:27:43LloreanFebs: That's very strange, that is.
06:27:50FebsI get a short spinup each time I switch directories, but not the constant spinning for a couple of minutes that happened upon entering the file browser.
06:28:16LloreanWell that short spinup is pretty regular for the disk targets with dircache off, though.
06:28:32FebsYes.
06:29:07FebsLet's see what happens when I turn the dircache on.
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06:33:33LloreanFebs: Apparently it may have something to do with the font.
06:33:39FebsSame behavior. Short spinup on switching directories, but no extended HD activity.
06:33:50FebsFont, eh?
06:33:54JdGordonshouldnt have anything to do with the font?
06:33:58LloreanHe says a larger font causes the problem
06:34:00JdGordonbut that is strang
06:34:04LloreanMaybe the glyph cache is screwed up?
06:35:34FebsWhen I was experiencing the problem earlier, I was using the Rockboxed theme. I just tried reloading that theme, but cannot replicate the problem.
06:35:50JdGordonim willing to bet its voice related
06:36:02JdGordonthats the only reason the disk sohuld spin up when entering menus
06:36:28LloreanMy first thought was voice too, but then why would he be able to reproduce it by changing to a large filesize font?
06:37:12JdGordonhe is using a non standard font (which probably is (c) 'ed) i rekon close the report and not worry about it :D
06:37:22JdGordonor the glyph cache isnt large enough for the font
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06:37:47JdGordonall very odd :p
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06:39:27LloreanWhat's the largest included font? Unifont?
06:40:13JdGordonI assume it will have to do with the glyph dimensions not only the char count
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06:46:10smablyJdGordon: thanks for fixing the remote scrolling bug :)
06:47:42FebsI can't replicate the problem using the ter-u24 font.
06:51:15LloreanFebs: He sent me the fonts he was using, and I can get some additional spinups with one of them at least.
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06:52:31LloreanBut I haven't found an included font I can reproduce it with
06:52:53JdGordonLlorean: can you put the font somehwere for us?
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06:53:55LloreanActually, just got some extra spinups with Unifont.
06:54:17LloreanIn the menus even.
06:54:27LloreanIncluding lag opening one of them, while waiting for a spinup
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06:56:30FebsI've been able to get an extra spinup here or there, but I haven't been able to replicate the issue where the HD spins up and continues to spin for several minutes.
06:57:03JdGordonFebs: in the trees, if the disk is spining and a button is pressed it will keep spinning
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06:57:18ryranhola everyone
06:57:43FebsHello.
06:58:26Lloreanryran: Hola. Just sent you a last PM regarding my experiences with the issue.
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06:58:43ryranah coo. JDG, check your email
06:59:36JdGordonta
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07:01:35ryranbtw Llorean, regarding spin-downs, just so you know it's the same for me: they're always brief
07:02:27Lloreanryran: Okay, it was a bit unclear whether the all the time meant frequent spinups, or that the spin continued all the time.
07:05:25JdGordondid you say it was more or less reproducable if music is playing?
07:05:36ryranapparently, more
07:05:47LloreanI had no problem reproducing it with music off.
07:05:54ryranah
07:06:03ryrancould've just been my brain jumping to conclusions about buffering
07:06:14JdGordonwith music off I would assume it would be more aparent because there is less liklyhood the disk is spinning
07:06:34JdGordonanyway, yeah, the problem is MAX_FONT_SIZE is too rediculously small
07:06:37LloreanWell, once your music's buffered you've got 15-45 minutes before it'll need to buffer again depending on bitrate anyway
07:06:46ryranooooo
07:06:47LloreanDid MAX_FONT_SIZE get changed recently?
07:06:56JdGordondoubt it
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07:07:41JdGordonnot for 5000 revisions :p
07:08:01ryranhah
07:08:08ryranI guess very few people are using larger fonts
07:08:09*JdGordon wants general-purpose dynamic allocation!
07:08:36JdGordonryran: can you compile your own build?
07:08:52ryranyes
07:09:22JdGordonok, play with the MAX_FONT_SIZE define in firmware/export/font.h up the top untill its less anoying
07:09:33JdGordon10K isnt very much for large fonts
07:11:22LloreanThen again 1/3 of our fonts are fully less than 10k flat out.
07:11:31JdGordonyeah
07:11:56lostlogicwhat's the font caching strategy? LRU?
07:12:03JdGordonunifont is 1.3MB!
07:12:05JdGordonyup
07:12:10LloreanUnifont is gigantic.
07:12:21LloreanBut it's supposed to be the most complete unicode font in existence, isn't it?
07:12:54*JdGordon wonders is we can load chars from multiple font files (if they are the same glyph dimensions)
07:13:02ryranhmm... didn't think to try unifont to reproduce... the ones that I've been using are only ~200k
07:13:28lostlogicFont: Random (6x13)?
07:13:36lostlogicwould be amusing.
07:14:18JdGordonmore like you have the ascii glyps in a base-6x16.fnt then you have <subset>-6x16.fnt ...
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07:14:46lostlogicooh, you had an actual _reason_ for wanting it, not just amusement.
07:14:49JdGordonthen there is more chance your glyphs will be in the cache
07:14:54JdGordonhehe yeah
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07:16:09ryrantotally newbish svn question: is there an undocumented switch to the svn update command (or some other way) that updates everything, discarding any and all local changes?
07:16:36scorcheryran: man svn
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07:17:01Lloreanryran: svn revert -R *, then svn update (or do it in the other order)
07:18:19JdGordonwe could make the font cache size customizable...
07:19:26LloreanJdGordon: Like the max files in folder option?
07:19:31JdGordonyeah
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07:20:02LloreanWith how big some fonts are, that seems reasonable, since the only other options are 'make it permanently bigger' and 'make its size be dependent on the screen size, kinda like the WPS image buffer'
07:20:40ryranhah
07:20:43ryranyou guys rock
07:20:50JdGordonWe could actually make both those buffers reallocate their size on the fly, kinda like dircache does... but everyone is against any sort of malloc, so it wont happen :'(
07:23:03LloreanDircache doesn't really reallocate is size on the fly does it?
07:23:52JdGordonno, i meant that it saves its needed size, and allocates that on boot if its known
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07:31:38JdGordonhmmm.... this may not work
07:31:44JdGordonfont are loaded too early
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07:33:14JdGordonah, no they arn't
07:33:32amiconnThis was already discussed several times
07:34:06JdGordonit was?
07:34:07amiconnA font cache size setting would be rather obscure to a user
07:34:38amiconnThe font cache size could be made dependent on the lcd size, but that's it
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07:35:23JdGordonhow about when a font is loaded, if its too large, ask the user if they want to reallocate room for the font (which could pause playback)?
07:35:32ryranwell I changed max_font_size to 300k and over a minute I couldn't reproduce the spin-ups using my 200k fonts... YAY! (obviously very reproduceable w/unifont) thanks for the work-around JDG.
07:35:34JdGordonthen do as dircache and allocate the privous amount of room?
07:36:27amiconnVariable allocation also doesn't make much sense: true unicode fonts are multi-megabyte, but you only ever need a fraction of the glyphs
07:36:55JdGordonits not lcd dependant tho.. its language dependant
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07:37:27amiconnIt is as well lcd dependent, because you can user larger fonts on a larger lcd
07:37:38JdGordontrrue
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07:38:00amiconnmarkun has something in the works that makes more efficient use of the given font cache size
07:38:33JdGordonlooking at the file sizes, 100k looks like a better value than 10k for swcodec
07:40:17amiconnWhat does that have to do with the codec?
07:40:46amiconnI'm sure tomal would get angry if you just increase the font cache size for swcodec...
07:41:16JdGordonnothing.. but swcodec is the plenty of ram targets
07:41:21LloreanJdGordon: Except iFP
07:41:29JdGordonbah, yeah forgot about that one
07:41:45JdGordonMEM > 8 then
07:41:47amiconnJdGordon: Never draw conclusions like this
07:42:12amiconnThe font cache size should at maximum depend on the lcd size, but nothing else
07:42:54amiconnWe use these feature definitions because we want to stay flexible, so don't make things depend on the wrong features
07:43:21ryranugh
07:43:39LloreanWhat's the largest 'language' character set?
07:43:55JdGordonchinese i think
07:44:14amiconnJdGordon: Btw, LinusN indirectly found another case of menu_string != settings_headline
07:44:14JdGordonor japanese? something from the east :p
07:44:22JdGordoncool :)
07:44:47JdGordongoogle says chinese
07:44:53amiconn...and he added a voice string because you did use the settings headline (which doesn't need to be voiced) for the menu (where it needs to)
07:45:20amiconnNow there are 2 voice clips, meaning the voice file unnecessarily takes more space... :\
07:46:10amiconnI'm talking about "Channel configuration". This always was just "Channels" in the menu
07:46:32JdGordonI saw the commit....
07:46:45JdGordonChannels in the menu sucks anyway imo
07:47:15amiconnPlease make it use either one or the other, but not both, and drop the other. The recording settings still use "Channels"
07:47:46smablyJdGordon: i had an idea for the menus; maybe you've already considered this, but what do you think of using icons to indicate the values for boolean settings?
07:47:51smablyfeasible, or even desirable?
07:48:26JdGordonsmably: feasle yes, but wouldnt look so good... have a look in the forums, there is a possibility of showing the value of every setting in the menu
07:48:45smablyok, i'll have a look :)
07:48:58JdGordondont bother trying the patch tho.. its way out of date
07:49:04JdGordonbut the pic looks good :p
07:50:20smablyah, found it
07:50:32JdGordonamiconn: linus should have fixed that instead of making Channel configuration voicable... if we do want to use 2 strings for that setting...
07:51:25amiconnI'm not saying we should use 2 strings for that setting, but now the one for playback and the one for recording use different strings...
07:51:50*JdGordon back in 30
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07:56:15RixMy ipod is stuffed
07:57:43LloreanStuffed is a pretty vague term
07:58:26Rixwell its going to the rockbox boot screen then does nothing
07:59:03ryranI don't know how you do it Llorean...where would rockbox be without you?
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08:00:26LloreanRix: Where, exactly, does it stop at?
08:00:50Lloreanryran: Well, on average, I think our forums would be considered a friendlier place. :-P
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08:01:23ryranpfft. perhaps. but I bet the devs wouldn't go in there anymore, ever.
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08:14:06tucozSlasheri, I added the audiohw_reset() in the init method of apps/main.c, but it still beeped as i booted today
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08:14:45tucozSlasheri, I think it is the bootloader as it happens instantly when i press play to power on
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08:37:24amiconnThe size delta table is still looking a bit strange: it doesn't take the missing column into account (further down)
08:37:54amiconnOh, and the link to the .zip is also missing
08:38:20tucozI haven't followed the logs lately, but the commits. What is the status of the M5?
08:38:47amiconntucoz: It's working nicely. Just some minor quirks left
08:38:59amiconn(like charger etection vs. usb power)
08:39:38amiconnI'll scan the M5 today (and also the X5/M5 remote)
08:39:56tucozwow, cool. congratulations on an incredibly quick port :)
08:41:05decayedcell__yeah it sort of came out of nowhere OO
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08:41:54LinusNamiconn: the size table is a little tedious to fix
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09:03:28JdGordonso what should we do with the font bug on FS? close it?
09:03:55LinusNthe font cache thing?
09:05:13LinusNclose it with "Works for me" and let him reopen it if he manages to reproduce it
09:06:01LloreanLinusN: It's definitely reproduceable.
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09:06:24LloreanThough only if you're using large fonts.
09:06:28LinusNok
09:07:07LinusNwell, i guess the only solution would be to enlarge the glyph cache, right?
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09:07:46LloreanCan we precache certain characters, like say either standard ASCII, or all the ones used by the current .lang?
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09:08:06amiconnLlorean: The font code does precache characters
09:08:10LloreanAh, okay
09:08:34amiconn...the ones that were cached in the previous session, i.e. it's dynamic
09:08:49amiconnLinusN: Check the log around 90 minutes back
09:08:58LloreanIt seems to me there should at least be an effort made to ensure you don't have to wait on a disk spinup while navigating the menus
09:09:02*amiconn is curious what markun will come up with
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09:12:33thewhoHi. A have a H120. Shouldn't the main menu have the item "Now playing" instead of "Resume playback" when the FM radio is active?
09:13:00LinusNthewho: no
09:13:02linuxstb_If you did that, how would you resume playback?
09:13:15linuxstb_You already have an FM Radio entry in the menu.
09:13:22LinusNamiconn: i see the log, what can i do to fix it?
09:14:01thewholinuxstb_: only if I'm listening to the radio. If nothing is playing, the menu item would be "Rsume playback" and activating it would start mp3 playback.
09:15:18Lloreanthewho: The option relates to playback, which by very definition of the word, is playing back of a file. Why should there at any point be two options that both take you to the FM Radio screen?
09:15:23thewhoLinusN: OTOH you're right in the sense that when FM radio is active nothing is "playing". It's making noises/sound but it's not "playing"
09:15:49thewhoLlorean: hehe. Simultaneous shooting :-)
09:16:23LinusNi must say that the MAX_FONT_SIZE could be a lot bigger
09:17:05LloreanIt could definitely be dependent upon screen size, at least
09:17:08LinusNit is
09:17:10thewhoLlorean: I see now. I only thought that it should be "Now playing" whenever I can hear something. But the current behaviour is ok.
09:17:40LloreanMaybe some way to highlight the FM Radio while the radio is active?
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09:18:57thewhoLlorean: my concern is the following. If I'm listening to the radio and call up the main menu, I'd like to be able to return to whatever I'm listening to (FM/mp3) without knowing what exactly it is.
09:18:59LloreanLinusN: I've been thinking about the topic of banishing the Root Menu with a second press of the menu button, and realized that to mimic past behaviour regarding the menu button would basically be impossible, unless the root menu and the settings menu were treated as one.
09:19:17amiconnLlorean: FM is already indicated in the status bar
09:19:20Lloreanthewho: The concept of banishing the menus with a second press of "Menu" would cover that.
09:19:36LinusNLlorean: the whole point of the main menu was to change the interface
09:19:53decayedcell__clicking on the gcc url here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/tools/rockboxdev.sh?r1=12612&r2=12613 redirects me to the rockbox no spam page? Oo
09:20:08LloreanLinusN: It's just a significant frustration to call up the menu to edit settings and have to navigate a significant distance to get back to the filetree.
09:20:26LloreanLinusN: The ability to banish the settings with a second press of Menu is the most significant thing I miss about the 'old' system.
09:20:31LinusNLlorean: i can imagine that the Menu button could do that
09:21:11LloreanI'm just not sure how it'd work properly
09:21:25LloreanRight now if you go into the settings, 'Menu' brings you to the main menu, which makes sense with the current method.
09:21:25LinusNare there any players with an lcd higher than 64 pixels that don't have plenty of RAM?
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09:22:37LloreanAren't the only low-RAM targets right now the various Archoses and the iFP?
09:23:20thewhoLlorean: yes, that would probably work. It doesn't matter (for me) how it's achieved as long as I don't have to press many keys to do that.
09:23:39Lloreanthewho: Right now, just tap the menu key to get to the root menu, then tap the play/resume key.
09:24:27thewhoLlorean: ...and that will stop the FM radio. Which I don't want
09:24:40LloreanWhy does that stop the FM Radio?
09:25:27thewhoLlorean: ah, you mean the PLAY button and not the "Resume playback" entry. Ok then. My fault.
09:25:47LloreanDoes that work?
09:26:20thewhoLlorean: It should but I can't verify right now
09:26:45thewhoLlorean: I mean: it would be nice if it'd work that way
09:26:54LloreanWell, it _should_ work with those two button presses.
09:27:23thewhoLlorean: ... or even better: with just the second
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09:30:27LinusNPlay should work in the settings menu
09:30:43LloreanOh, that's right.
09:30:54LloreanIt should work basically anywhere that's not a plugin now, right?
09:31:03LinusNthink so
09:37:20midkayi think it should and is supposed to.. but i found a place or two it didn't work where it should have the other day.
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09:52:54roolkuB4gder: hi, I wonder if you have followed the discussion about the RTC (and other) Mods...
09:53:55roolkuB4gder: I have added 2 options (rtc & 8mb) to the configure script and was wondering if you could create the coressponding daily builds
09:55:01roolkuB4gder: (the current memory selection can then be removed, it is marked with "remove start/end" in the configure script)
09:55:08roolkucheers
09:56:41LinusNroolku: bagder is on a skiing trip, he seems to have forgotten to log out
09:59:32roolkuLinusN: whoops, I just noticed the build table had changed, so I assumed he had done it this morning
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10:00:52LinusNi did
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10:04:14roolkuLinusN: you couldn't do the MOD change as well, could you? So that this is done and dusted
10:04:33LinusNthe what?
10:06:58roolkuthe builds for the two mods
10:07:48roolkui.e. change 8Mb Rec build to use (a)dvanced menu and add RTC build
10:08:00roolkuthe configure script already contains the changes
10:08:33LinusNwill have a look
10:09:00roolkuthank you
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10:10:39LinusNthe automatic build is a mesh of different scripts scattered all over :-)
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10:11:56*linuxstb_ wonders where the cuesheet browser has disappeared to - browse_cuesheet() now isn't being called from anywhere
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10:14:28roolkuLinusN: sounds like an interesting challenge :)
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10:18:26*preglow wonders how that happened
10:18:54*amiconn wonders about LinusN's odd commit
10:19:08jhMikeSpreglow: should be getting too much power soon
10:19:13LinusNamiconn: explain
10:19:22bluebrotherjhMikeS: just tried the line input mode ... is it inteded it wraps between ASCII and extended characters?
10:19:31LinusNamiconn: i might have totally misunderstood the glyph cache system
10:19:49LinusNwhat made it odd?
10:20:13amiconnYou do an #if MEM >2 within a block that's already #if LCD_HEIGHT > 64
10:20:14jhMikeSbluebrother: It's been that way awhile anyway. Can't say I care for it myself and intent to address it.
10:20:26amiconnThe inner #else will never be true
10:20:44amiconnAnd I would really really make the cache size depend on lcd resolution
10:21:13LinusNamiconn: i would have the cache size depend on amount of memory available
10:21:22markunamiconn: would it be acceptable if a glyph cache miss would render the dotted square and then lookup the glyph in the background?
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10:21:24LinusNnever be true?
10:21:25bluebrotherit feels strange that I need to wrap at the top / bottom to switch bewteen extended and non-extended characters
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10:21:26jhMikeSbluebrother: I looked and don't know atm if it's even intended to work that way unless multiple pages are used
10:21:56jhMikeSbluebrother: yes, indeed otherwise there would be no real difference :\
10:22:06amiconnLinusN: Yes, all targets with LCD_HEIGHT > 64 also have MEM > 2
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10:22:44LinusNamiconn: i know that, but I wanted the code to depend on the amount of RAM, since that is a key factor
10:22:45bluebrotherand how about using an inverted bar as indicator for the keyboard and only non-invert the currently selected char?
10:22:53bluebrotherin the character table that is.
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10:24:01jhMikeSsounds interesting and might be more visible but I didn't intend to redo the whole basic display right off
10:24:24bluebrotherwas just an idea that popped into my head ;-)
10:24:49markunJdGordon: some minor problems with the Main Menu:
10:24:49jhMikeSI just hated holding two buttons to move a cursor around
10:25:21bluebrotherI still want to do simpler things like the runtime page −− but I'm stuck by it not updating, and I haven't found enough time to look sharp enough at it
10:25:35bluebrotherbut the line moving in the input is really a nice addition
10:25:36amiconnLinusN: Still, the #define within the inner #else will never be used. And the font size is what causes excessive spinups, so the cache needs to be bigger when the lcd is bigger
10:25:37markunafter starting playback from the filetree you go to the WPS, if you now go from the WPS to the menu it will point to the Files entry.
10:25:38bluebrotherI like it.
10:26:48amiconnAnd the 4000 might be a little too small even for the archos lcd
10:26:49pondlifemarkun: That's correct, isn't it?
10:26:58jhMikeSwas always there for other targets with that enabled
10:27:03bluebrotherJdGordon: didn't you ask for something to implement yesterday other than optimizations?
10:27:05pondlifemarkun: What should be selected? Now playing?
10:27:07markunJdGordon: another thing, when I enter the plugin browser it point to some item (not the first one). It doesn't matter what I do, it always goes to the same point.
10:27:11amiconnmarkun: Did you say your wip code makes more efficient use of the cache?
10:27:34markunamiconn: it should
10:27:59bluebrotherI liked the show-values-in-lists A_M did some while ago pretty much
10:28:24markunpondlife: Yes, I think it should show Now Playing
10:28:59pondlifeI think I agree with you.
10:29:05bluebrothermaybe that would be a challenge for you? ;-)
10:29:33pondlifemarkun: From WPS, default to Now Playing. From file browser, default to Files. Right?
10:29:34markunamiconn: but I'm working on too many things at the same time, should just focus on one or too I think
10:29:43*pondlife knows that feeling
10:30:43jhMikeSLinusN: I really need an opinion on this. Any trouble forseen by moving DMA to level 6, HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL to level 5 and using a higher level to disable DMA interrupts on Coldfire? I'd like to be able to avoid the DMA interrupts occasionally but disabling them routinely causes DMA errors.
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10:31:08bluebrotheroh, and another thing: when radio is playing, shouldn't stop from the menu also quit the radio? Seems logical to me
10:31:51pondlifebluebrother: I don't think a decision has been reached on whether radio can be considered equivalent to playback.
10:32:13jhMikeSThere's no way to turn the radio off directly other than the radio screen is there?
10:32:17pondlifeThis affects the STOP and PLAY buttons, and the "Now playing" option - at least...
10:32:59bluebrotherjhMikeS: afaik yes.
10:33:35pondlifeI understand the argument that radio != playback. But don't know that there's any disadvantage to making the relevant options work against radio as if it were playback (if that makes sense).
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10:34:32jhMikeSmakes sense to me
10:34:52LloreanThe "Now Playing" thing shouldn't say "Now Playing" during the radio, nor should it ever take you there
10:35:00LloreanThe FM Radio option on the main menu already serves that purpose well.
10:35:05*amiconn agrees with Llorean
10:35:10bluebrotherI don't think "now playing" should affect the radio
10:35:22LloreanBut for the Play and Stop buttons, I see no reason they shouldn't return you to the radio screen, or stop radio audio, if that was the last audio in use.
10:35:27bluebrotherbut the stop button could be considered stopping playback, and that includes radio
10:35:34jhMikeSonly for stopping it but I agree about the now playing item
10:36:15bluebrotherI'm not sure if I would like "play" reenabling the radio. It has been tied to the wps for years.
10:36:32pondlifePLAY should resume, not go to the radio.
10:36:36pondlifeIMHO
10:36:37jhMikeSme neither
10:36:55pondlifeAlso, PLAY and the Now Playing option should do the same thing.
10:37:01jhMikeSjust the stop button should silence things, that's it
10:37:15pondlifeYes
10:37:31LloreanI'll accept that.
10:38:07jhMikeSKind of strange to have the Now Playing take you to radio when there's a Radio item there already :P
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10:40:06*bluebrother agrees
10:41:48cweiskeHello. I am about to buy a rockbox-compatible music player and wanted to know which one / which company would be the best to choose regarding their "ethical goodness" to open source and rockbox - e.g. which company was helping rockbox devs and such
10:42:18LloreanHas any company actually helped Rockbox yet?
10:44:07*jhMikeS has to stare down the odd keyboard cursor movement that's been around for so long
10:44:51linuxstb_cweiske: I think the closest is Sandisk, who donated a couple of Sansa players to the project. But they didn't provide any assistance beyond that. But note that Rockbox doesn't yet have audio playback on the Sansa.
10:45:15cweiskedid any company provide specs?
10:45:29jhMikeSwas just gonna ask if the SanDisk thing was considered help
10:45:37markuncweiske: we are working on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
10:45:48linuxstb_cweiske: No.
10:47:04cweiskeso there is not really a good ethical buy to do
10:47:40preglowstaying awake today is truly going to be a challenge, i see
10:48:08jhMikeSethical?
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10:49:15cweiskeethical = not supporting companies that behave bad to oss developers/projects or try to stop/sue them
10:49:51cweiske= buying from companies that just behave good to people
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10:50:31pondlifeamiconn: I did my H340 battery bench (with backlight off). Is there somewhere specific I should put the results to aid in runtime calibration?
10:50:51linuxstb_No company seems any better or worse than any other. No-one has given any real assistance to a Rockbox port, and they all say installing it voids your warranty.
10:51:14jhMikeSwell, if they just don't interfere I'd say that's ethical...I can't figure out what makes looking at software no naughtly and any worse than taking apart your car's transmission and building it to your specs.
10:51:27linuxstb_(although there is some doubt over Apple's stance - they seem to more relaxed in that respect).
10:52:10cweiskethanks, that's a statement
10:52:16pondlifeArchos were fairly friendly, weren't they? In the old days I mean...
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10:54:50markuncweiske: maybe Neuros is more your thing
10:55:22markunin what way is the X5 display dithered?
10:55:38jhMikeSmarkun: two ways
10:56:05thewhopondlife: I'd also expect that PLAY and "Now playing" do the same. But when FM is playing you don't have "Now playing" but rather "Resume playback". Hence PLAY could take you back to the FM screen.
10:56:06jhMikeSthe 18bit video is dithered to 16 bits by hardware.
10:56:56jhMikeShigher depth backgrounds are dithered to 16 bits (565) by the image loader
10:57:18amiconnThe latter is done on all colour targets
10:57:30markunjhMikeS: we could do 18-bit graphics for the Gigabeat, but I don't think we would gain anything from that.
10:57:32pondlifethewho: I disagree - in this case PLAY should resume playback
10:57:40DataGhosthttp://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/07mar/xuf010105.gif hehehe
10:58:03pondlifeSo, anyone know of a place to collect battery_bench.txts?
10:58:16jhMikeSmarkun: I made an 18 bit throughout version of rockbox on the x5 but it actually looked worse in many respects.
10:59:00jhMikeSNot to mention additional bitmap size and weird pixel format. Once advantage on that might be having DMA writes to the display though.
10:59:17markunjhMikeS: I'll not bother with it then. It would also double the size of the framebuffer.
10:59:34markunjhMikeS: we already have DMA writes with 16 bit mode
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11:00:04thewhopondlife: If FM is active, will the main menu cursor always be at "FM" when the main menu is brought up?
11:00:13pondlifeShould be
11:00:17jhMikeSx5 has a little problem in that it expects 18 bit pixels, even in 16 bit mode so the driver does some conversion on the fly
11:00:17pondlifeI've not tried it though
11:00:27pondlifeDepends on what you last selected.
11:00:34thewhoEven if I went to settings (e.g.) in the meantime?
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11:00:38pondlifeNo
11:00:40jhMikeSwon't help solid colors and the software dithering will look as good or better
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11:00:57pondlifethewho: It should go to whatever you last selected I think.
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11:02:41JdGordonmarkun: yeah, the root menu doesnt follow the screen if the acctual menu is bypassed... you rekon the overhead is worth it?
11:02:52markunJdGordon: not sure
11:02:58pondlifelol, I like the way most voices pronounce Plugins as Ploojins...
11:03:55JdGordonmarkun: well.. the overhead isnt actually all that much.. and the code is there already... so it can be done
11:03:59pondlifeJdGordon: Any plans to look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6716 ?
11:04:11JdGordonyes..
11:04:26JdGordonthis week if all goes according to plan :p
11:04:36pondlifeOK, I won't bother then ;p. (Probably wouldn't have time in the next week anyway.)
11:05:48JdGordondoes anyone have any idea how a save as /open file screen should work?
11:06:38bluebrotherwhy an open screen? Why not use the standard file browser?
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11:07:31JdGordonwell, if the file browser is goign to be redone to work better with the root menu, i want to make it extendable so it can be used as those screens
11:07:38JdGordonbut not really sure the best way to do it :p
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11:08:30bluebrotherhow should the browser "work better" with the menu?
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11:08:47bluebrotherdo you mean code-wise?
11:09:04amiconnpondlife: The vb script has a pronunciation correction stage depending on the voice used
11:09:42JdGordonbluebrother: yeah
11:09:45pondlifeamiconn: I quite like my ploojins, no worriws
11:09:49pondlifeworries
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11:14:25MonkeyTamerhas anyone used audiochecker here before?
11:14:36tucozbluebrother, do you have time to add a platform file for the m5? I do not have internet at home at the moment.
11:15:08tucozOr maybe i can steal access from an open wifi in the neighbourhood
11:15:45tucozif you do not have time, i can see what i can do later today
11:17:54jhMikeSpreglow: so will having a Gigabeat be too much for me to handle? (recalling your earlier statement) I did need to break down and get an ARM based player afterall.
11:18:33MonkeyTamerthe silly program claimed a mp3 transcoded file into flac was 100% cdda... yet others that I believed to have been lossless were claimed 95% mpeg...
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11:20:37preglowjhMikeS: heh
11:20:49preglowjhMikeS: as long as you don't stop optimising :)
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11:22:05jhMikeSpreglow: never
11:22:13bluebrothertucoz: wanted to add the m5 tonight
11:22:27amiconntucoz: I'll scan the M5 today, and pixelma will provide an M5 svg, perhaps tonight. There are not many changes vs. X5. Just some colours and sizes
11:23:08bluebrotherI'll see what I can do tonight, but I guess I'll manage to do the necessary stuff for building
11:24:39jhMikeSpreglow: I need an in place version of FRACMUL_8_LOOP for ARM. I switched the gain stage to in place. Not cvs ready yet. I'm not sure if I'll have stereo/mono gain and resampling functions either. Joining them saves a bit of space but makes the function more complicated.
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11:25:32bluebrotherthe M5 is 2bpp LCD?
11:25:58preglowjhMikeS: i'll see if i have time tonight
11:26:04*jhMikeS only ever talked to one person here with an M anything...an M3
11:26:43preglowjoining resampling and gaining?
11:26:45jhMikeSpreglow: probably a couple tiny changes to the existing one?
11:27:09preglowjhMikeS: ah, i misread it
11:27:09jhMikeSpreglow: no, having a separate function for stereo and mono for each of those functions
11:27:17preglowjhMikeS: i have time to look at that now, yes
11:27:22amiconnbluebrother: yes
11:27:28amiconn160x128x2
11:28:25preglowjhMikeS: only modification will be it reading and writing from one array?
11:28:47jhMikeSyou said ARM has conditional execution so it can have one function for sure. doing both channels for resampling in one pass is quite beneficial so that must stay but requires two functions or two branches in one function.
11:28:51jhMikeSpreglow: yes
11:28:57preglowthat should be minor indeed
11:29:15preglowall the array logic is in c, heh
11:29:21preglowonly the mul itself is in arm asm,
11:31:04jhMikeSI figured as much but can't make sure it runs right myself. I guess it should read then postincrement the source but write to the original source address then increment that
11:31:34preglowread, calc, write, increment
11:31:44preglowunless you're going for something fancy, i don
11:31:51preglow't see how it can be any different
11:31:57*preglow hugs enter key
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11:33:23jhMikeSwell for coldfire the read ends up one ahead of the write since the reads are parallel with macs so two pointer are used into the same byte
11:33:27jhMikeSor long, whatever
11:33:29preglowwell, yeah, but that's asm
11:33:49preglowbut i guess you want the c to be the same?
11:34:04jhMikeSI think it won't change for the FRACMUL_8_LOOP_IP macro on cf either
11:34:41jhMikeSWasn
11:34:55jhMikeS't looking to change the behavior, no need
11:35:52jhMikeSI'm realizing the current one might just work as is :)
11:35:56preglowbut then you really don't need to change much, do you? FRACMUL_8_LOOP can work in place right if feed it two pointers
11:36:01preglowright now
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11:36:23preglowyeah
11:36:47pregloweh
11:37:38preglowmy brain just does not work today
11:38:18jhMikeSme neither when so sleepy
11:40:20jhMikeSoverpartying this weekend? :)
11:40:35preglowhaha
11:40:37preglownot really, no
11:41:13preglowthere was saturday, but i did nothing but rest yesterday
11:41:20preglowshould be good as gold today, but no
11:41:29preglowtired as hell anyway
11:41:47preglowgood time to be programming
11:42:17markunamiconn: what do you think about organizing the font folder in subfolders for at least some fonts?
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11:45:13JdGordonrocks folder needs organising first
11:45:33markunwhy first?
11:45:48JdGordonits got more files that ned organising
11:46:19markunI think those tasks can be done in parallel
11:46:59JdGordon:( playback is fubared in my sim, and my h300 is busy.. i cant test this damn patch
11:47:09JdGordonto keep the root menu prperly selected
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11:47:52bluebrotherspeaking of plugins folder ... what do you think about the subfolder approach?
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11:48:03tucozgood
11:48:31markunI like it too
11:48:47bluebrotherany objections against adding what I already got in that FS task?
11:49:08tucozas in, there are categories of plugins and it would be nice to be able to browse by those categories
11:49:08jhMikeSpreglow: anything that you changed recently in the eq the could cause the flac glitches reported by perl|work? if not I'd better double check the output functions on all aligments and sizes.
11:49:54bluebrotherhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5464 that is
11:50:15DwylocOK own up who broke h120 remote support ;)
11:50:30JdGordonmarkun: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch if you want to test it out (and commit if it works), im heading out for an hour or two
11:50:32DwylocPressing stop on the remote now stops playback instead of moveing the the previous directory in the file view or previos menu in the menus.
11:50:51markunJdGordon: can't test it now, but I will tonight, ok?
11:51:07JdGordonno prob
11:51:18preglowjhMikeS: what's the problem?
11:53:40safetydanbluebrother, seems fine to me, but I haven't tested it
11:53:57DwylocI am guessing the remote problem is related to the ether the root menu or the new menu system.
11:55:04jhMikeSI don't know...perl|work reported problems with crossfade...ok fixed that. Then reported glitches in the middle of some flacs that were new. Was running eq with precut only. Precut is unchanged, so that leaves perhaps eq, and maybe a bug in the output
11:55:47preglowjhMikeS: hmm
11:55:51safetydanbluebrother, though... localisation doesn't really work with that way of doing things
11:56:01preglowi dunno, if eq works at all, i'd expect no temporary glitches, that's for sure
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11:56:25preglowthe little work i've done in the eq is pretty much only optimising for size/speed in the coef calculation part itself
11:56:33preglowonce the coefs are calculated, there should be no problems
11:56:41bluebrothersafetydan: I know, but that could be done in a way like .desktop / desktop.ini
11:57:17jhMikeSthe outputs are complicated so I suppose I'd just run something to test all the code path deliberately. Alignment and sizes could change somewhere perhaps.
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11:59:22jhMikeSmaybe the wrap thing? people start listening more closely when thing are updated I've observed...I start hearing things that were actually always there since I'm monitoring so closely
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12:01:01jhMikeSThe pitch screen ought to run that through all the alignments and sizes though and that doesn't glitch a bit
12:01:10preglowweird
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12:01:31preglowbut without knowing what kind of glitch it is: i have no idea
12:01:39LinusNamiconn: i can change the glyph cache #ifdef, but i still think the calculation shouldn't be made from the lcd size alone, since the amount of ram is a factor as well. i knbow that all targets that have a large lcd also have much ram, but that is pure coincidence.
12:01:40pregloweq glitches should really sound pretty harsh
12:02:02preglowbut if the filters sounds like it should, it really shouldn't glitch temporarily
12:02:49LinusNjhMikeS: i think your idea is good, and i don't see any major drawbacks
12:02:57jhMikeSI don't know either. Havent' caught it myself. Said it disappeared when rewinding back a little bit and replaying the section. :\
12:03:38jhMikeSLinusN: great. I really need the syncing in some spots to have it solid.
12:04:08LinusNjhMikeS: all we have to do is to make sure we use the correct level when we "disable" the interrupts
12:04:48jhMikeSWell, I don't think anything is above 4 (the timers) so 5 should be good.
12:05:25preglowjhMikeS: that shifter overflow bug really bloody bothers me, though
12:06:06pondlifeJdGordon: Heads up on another minor menu bug - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6738
12:06:49LinusNpondlife: is this in the sim or on the target?
12:07:19pondlifeCertainly on the sim, am trying target now
12:07:20LinusNi have seen this issue in the sim even with the main menu, but only in the simulator
12:07:25pondlifeAh, ok
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12:07:33LinusNworks fine on the target
12:07:47LinusNcan't really tell why, probably an initialization race
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12:08:18pondlifeLinusN: You are (as always) correct! I'll edit the bug report....
12:08:30LinusN:-) do so
12:09:08LinusNlunch time
12:10:02Arathisis anybody working on this: "Ability to specify a margin on a line (e.g. to allow space for images or to indent lines)." (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsRequestList) or is it implemented already? The last time I checked it wasn't possible, but that's some time ago
12:10:09jhMikeSpreglow: so...put a panicf in there :)
12:10:15pondlifeDwyloc: Which remote?
12:11:26ArathisAns is it planned to be able to customize the icons in the menus?
12:15:53jhMikeSpreglow: I'm sure if it were eq related, rewinding would have no effect...wouldn't make sense to me.
12:16:12Dwylocpondlife: h120 LCD remote
12:16:21jhMikeSunless filter history gets b0rked
12:16:29markunArathis: both would be nice to have, but I don't know if anyway is working on it
12:17:25decayedcell__I think one of P.I. Juilius' patches would do it
12:17:46markunArathis: amiconn wants to implement graphical regions (viewports) which will make it easy to do the WPS changes
12:18:01Arathismarkun: at least the first one would be nice for my current WPS WIP. I think I have to make it whole-width than :-/
12:19:24Arathismarkun: Is there a progress thread/flyspry page/wiki page or something for amiconn's viewports?
12:19:36markunamiconn: is there?
12:19:43pondlifeDwyloc: I'd think that STOP should stop playback on the remote, like it does on the main unit. LEFT should go to the previous directory though.
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12:19:57pondlifeI only have a button-starved H300 remote
12:20:45Dwylocthere is no left on the h120 remote see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KeymapIriverHSeries for more details.
12:20:56pondlifeI am looking there
12:21:04Dwylocit dose not have a joystick
12:21:07markunArathis: no, there are only 2 pages with mention viewports, ReleaseTodo (obsolete I think) and SummerOfCode
12:21:13pondlifeIt seems to have a LEFT and RIGHT key on the top?
12:21:27pondlifeOpposite HOLD
12:21:28Dwylocleft and right move up and down
12:21:44pondlifeSo what do UP and DOWN do?
12:21:52pondlifeVolume?
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12:22:43Dwylocthe bottom ones are volume the second top ones are page up and down
12:23:24Dwylocpressing in the fist top one is select
12:23:41Dwylocpressing in the botom one is menu
12:23:44preglowjhMikeS: rewinding should definitely trigger the same bug again, were it the eq
12:23:47pondlifeI would expect the volume keys to be up/down as well (i.e. in lists).
12:24:10pondlifeSELECT and MENU are correct then.
12:24:19pondlifeNice remote isn't it. Maybe I should get one!
12:25:03pondlifeWithout actually trying it, I'd expect all keys to be mapped to their main unit equivalents.
12:25:24DwylocThe bottom left and right labled vol currently dose nothing in the menus or file viewer
12:25:46pondlifeAh, that should be up/down by the look of it.
12:27:08pondlifeBut I'm only going by that diagram, with no account for usability.
12:27:17pondlifeSo probably best you decide if that would work for you.
12:27:31pondlifeIf not, come up with a better proposal, of course.
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12:33:15DwylocI think using the first top joystick as up and down in the menu and the second top left and right like left and right the main unit would work best.
12:36:13DwylocThe bottom vol left and righ could them be ether maped to up and down in the menu or page up and down.
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12:43:21Dwylocpondlife: OK I have filled a bug in report in flyspray http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6739
12:43:24pondlifeOK
12:43:41pondlifeIt would make most sense for vol to map to UP and DOWN
12:43:59pondlifeOtherwise the Vol button would not change volume...
12:44:48Dwylocyes on second thought that sounds correct.
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12:45:34DwylocI was just thinking about menu navigation not the wps view.
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12:45:36pondlifeIf you want to try things out (and can compile) then search for "button_context_standard_h100remote" in keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c.
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12:46:03pondlifeI think it's best if you just regard the keys as being mapped to equivalents on the main unit.
12:46:31pondlifeOther things may be possible, but not easily and not easy to describe in the manual etc.
12:46:46DwylocOK I will give that a try latter as I am at work at the mement and I have things to do.
12:46:50pondlifeMe too ;)
12:48:32Dwylocyes I had noticed that the manual dose not seem to detail the remote for the h120/h140
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12:53:15pixelmathe forum search is broken once again...
12:54:16pixelmamaybe someone is arround who can fix it (LinusN ?)
12:55:13LinusNpixelma: fixed
12:55:35pixelmathanks! :)
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13:00:52pondlifeHmm, the dynamic "Now playing" / "Resume playback" option - could that not simply be worded "Playback"? Might allow some code to be removed...
13:01:30pondlifeAlso might make it clear that the radio is not to be found in here!
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13:01:59LinusNi like it the way it is, but maybe it is confusing when the name changes
13:02:09pondlifeIt seems non-KISS if nothing else.
13:02:34LinusNthe user couldn't care less if the code is KISS or not :-)
13:02:46pondlifeI mean from a UI point of view (too)
13:03:13pondlifePeople may hunt for the Now playing option when there isn't one...;)
13:03:29LinusNperhaps...
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13:05:03pixelmaok... the M5 thread I remembered reading is in the Archived threads section :)
13:05:18markunpixelma: does rockbox already work on your M5 now?
13:06:15pixelmamarkun: you didn't miss the "Ladies and Gentlemen"-mail by amiconn, didn't you? ;)
13:06:45markunI did :)
13:07:06markunnice
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13:09:45markunpixelma: anything rockbox related you are working on these days?
13:11:49pixelmaI need to make an M5.svg now and have a few small but half-ready changes to the manual :/
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13:19:36LinusNjhMikeS: there?
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13:51:18JdGordonanyone know how to get the modification date of a file?
13:51:53LinusNin rockbox?
13:52:14JdGordonye
13:53:47LinusNreaddir() fills it in for you in the dirent structure
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13:54:32JdGordonthere is no way to get it for 1 file?
13:54:58LinusNno
13:55:12JdGordonnuts :p
13:56:39JdGordonI was going to fix updated firmware file detection... Should I check in the .rockbox folder and / for an updated file? or just /?
13:57:21LinusNyou could check both for now
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14:00:38JdGordonactually.. how slow would a checksum sort of thing work? instead of doing ft_load() on both /.rockbox and / ?
14:02:38LinusNJdGordon: i wouldn't put too much effort in that detection, it
14:02:45LinusNs mainly a developer feature
14:03:27JdGordonthe checksum the bootloader reads, does that change every compile?
14:03:45JdGordonI know... but if its there, may as well make it work
14:03:53JdGordoncurrently it doesnt work at all in the root menu
14:06:17LinusNi don't care much about that feature, i'd rather remove it, but that
14:06:20LinusN's me
14:06:54JdGordonI like it :p
14:08:44amiconnIt always only worked when browsing the root dir, and even then not always reliable
14:09:12amiconnE.g. it doesn't work at all when using early usb to change the boot file
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14:19:39JdGordonbah, so much for that :p
14:19:50JdGordonshould i just remove the code now it doesnt work?
14:20:00LinusNi think so
14:21:54pondlifeLinusN: You managed to repro the Recording sluggishness/crash using the english_Cepstral.voice?
14:21:55markunLinusN: how can I callibrate the charging curve for the Gigabeat?
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14:24:00thewhoWhat is the difference between iAudio X5 and X5L?
14:24:22pondlifeJdGordon: I quite like the new firmware detection...
14:24:37JdGordontoo late... its gone. :p
14:24:42JdGordonit doesnt work anymore
14:24:47pondlifeIs is not something that could happen only after USB disconnection?
14:24:55pondlifeOr is that how it was meant to work?
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14:25:34JdGordonif it was easy to get the filestamp of a single file then it would be easy, but you have to load the entire dir which is wasteful
14:25:46pondlifeWhy use filestamp?
14:25:54JdGordonhow else?
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14:25:58pondlifeThere must be something in the file, no?
14:26:11pondlifeVersion string perhaps?
14:26:15JdGordonthere is a checksum which I just tried, but aparently it doesnt work so well
14:27:04pondlifeNeed to compare something from the file against something in memory (i.e. the current running code)...
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14:27:20thewhoNo iAudio experts?
14:27:21amiconnthewho: The X5L has a much bigger battery and hence longer battery runtime
14:27:25pondlifeVersion string would be the obvious one.
14:27:50thewhoamiconn: thanks. But the size is the same?
14:28:05pondlifeAnyways, lunchtime
14:28:24JdGordonpondlife: version strings dont change in custom builds during testing....
14:28:43pondlifeYes, but real users don't do much of that
14:29:10pondlifeI'm more in favour of it helping users to upgrade.
14:29:18pondlifeIf that makes sense.
14:29:53JdGordonI dont know if we can actually read the version string from the file
14:30:01pondlifeHopefully if you can operate a compiler you can remember to rolo. (Not that I've always remembered..;) )
14:30:05JdGordonIts not in the actual header i dont think
14:30:13pondlifeMe neither, but I thought it might be findable.
14:30:56JdGordoneasier to dump the feature and save a few bytes
14:30:59pondlifeNot a biggie, but I'd prefer to leave it in there rather than kill that functionality completely. Even if it's not fixed up immediately.
14:31:36pondlifeIt's a useful feature IMHO... I know this entirely subjective though. Back to the "I don't use crossfade" argument...
14:31:52pondlifeJust think it might reduce support.
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14:31:58JdGordonhmm... I actually agree... but its pointelss because it doesnt work at all currently
14:32:03pixelmathewho: there are two iaudio cases that differ in thickness: the thicker one is used for the X5 with a 60GB drive (dual platter) with a small battery - or the X5L with the bigger battery but only with a single platter drive, 20GB and 30GB are available). The smaller one is for X5s with a single platter drive and a small battery.
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14:32:24pondlifeJdGordon: Well, leave the code in there and make sure it's logged on Flyspray
14:32:42JdGordonor remove it and add it as a request on fs
14:32:45pondlifeI may get to look at it soon-ish. Maybe tonight.
14:33:02pondlifeNah, the code will be easier to fix up than redo from scratch I suspect.
14:33:17JdGordonnope... the only useful part is the splash screen
14:33:20pondlifeUnless it's preventing you fixing somegthing else.
14:33:20JdGordonbut ok
14:33:35*pondlife has typing problems
14:34:13pondlifeAnyway, hungry now.... back in a bit
14:36:37JdGordonmarkun: I commited that patch from before... is there a FS that needs closing for it?
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14:39:01LinusNpondlife: yes, i can reproduce it
14:41:00JdGordondoes anyone know if there is an alram plugin for amorak?
14:41:21LinusNi don't even know what alram and amorak is...
14:41:43*pixelma guesses it should be alarm for amarok.. ;)
14:41:43LinusNi have heard of amarok, though
14:41:46*JdGordon is half drunk and cant type :p
14:41:58LinusNlol
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14:47:11JdGordonall set with some cron magic :p bed time, cya
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15:22:57ArathisIs there a key to de-/activate hold in the UiSimulator
15:22:59Arathis?
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15:30:18LinusNArathis: not that i know of
15:30:27Arathis:(
15:30:37LinusNfeel free to add one
15:31:45Arathisif I'd now in which file(s) and how ..
15:32:02LinusNArathis: hang on
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15:43:03LinusNArathis: is this for testing a WPS?
15:43:33Arathiswhat do you mean?
15:43:40Arathisoh,yes
15:43:48Arathisdidn't read correctly
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15:46:10markunB4gder: what's going on in Neuros land these days? You have a OSD, right?
15:49:03LinusNArathis: i have now added support for it in SVN
15:49:14LinusNArathis: do you have Wiki access?
15:49:20ArathisI have
15:49:25Arathisthanks btw
15:50:07LinusNthen do me a favor and update the UiSimulator wiki page with this new functionality
15:50:27LinusNh = toggle hold, j = toggle remote hold
15:50:36ArathisI'd have to edit more than that. There is no H10 table so far
15:51:10Arathisbut I'll do so later if you don't mind.
15:51:40LinusNplease
15:51:44LinusNthanks
15:52:49markunLinusN: could we give back some of our changes to the codecs to the original projects? (like coldfire optimisations)
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15:53:30LinusNof course
15:53:39markunI don't know how it would work with different licenses for example
15:53:56LinusNthat's up to the author of the optimizations
15:57:11LinusNgtg, cu folx
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16:24:47ArathisIs it possible to get an image above text in a WPS?
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16:30:35Arathisno way to do that? :(
16:31:29markunI have no idea
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16:36:37perl|workArathis
16:36:43perl|workhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking
16:36:49perl|workhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
16:39:11Arathisperl|work: so this means no. I knew that pages, but at least I hadn't found anything solving my problem there
16:39:53perl|workcould you elaborate a bit on your question?
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16:40:50GodEater_I assume by "above" he means in the Z-Ordering
16:41:18GodEater_he said, havnig read a bit of the conversation in the IRC logs
16:41:53GodEater_rather than above meaning the line above
16:42:45GodEater_I don't see why it's unachievable though
16:42:54GodEater_you can put images wherever you like
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16:44:00Arathisyes, I mean z-ordering
16:44:22GodEater_so why do you think you can't do it ?
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16:45:17Arathisthough I can't define a margin for a text line I tried covering the text with an image, but the text stays above the image
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16:46:41GodEater_ah, so image rendering is always behind the text rendering in terms of z-order
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16:46:51GodEater_doubt you can do much about that unless you hack the code yourself
16:46:53Arathisseems so
16:47:25GodEater_odd - I'd have thought the text and image layers would be the same
16:47:52GodEater_although, thinking about it, perhaps that isn't as obvious as it would seem at first glance
16:48:15GodEater_and thinking about it some more - that'd actually be quite tricky I think
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16:54:53GodEater_amiconn around ?
16:56:22thewhoHow can I terminate the sim under windows (H120)? I tried to hold the return key (=STOP) pressed but nothing happened. I always have to close the sim window by clicking at the X in the top right corner.
16:56:44GodEater_is there something wrong with doing it that way ?
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17:05:19thewhoGodEater: I'd expect that the "shut down" function also works on the sim. And, besides, I'd wouldn't have to use the mouse :-) (Alt+F4 doesn't work for the sim window)
17:06:48PaulJamjhMikeS: jour commit that enables the line edit mode for irivers seems to have broken my cusom keyboard layout. now i can only access the first and the last 3 lines
17:07:26PaulJamwould it be possible to disable this feature when usin .kbd files?
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17:09:48amiconnLine edit on larger lcds is buggy
17:10:01amiconn...even without using .kbd files
17:10:30PaulJamis it possible to reset the keyboard to default?
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17:17:00Arathisamiconn: You know anything about z coordinate of images in WPS? atm text is allways above iamges. at least while scrolling
17:17:57Arathisbtw "U" for toggling usb mode in uisim is for all targets?
17:18:21*Arathis is editing the wiki page to add usb and hold keys
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17:18:49loopermanHello, hello
17:19:07loopermanis rockbox able to play avi files?
17:19:23bluebrotherno
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17:20:08loopermanwhat type of video files work with rockbox, is it only mpeg?
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17:20:24markunlooperman: yes
17:20:41markunand you will have to resize them to the right resolution and framerate
17:20:48loopermanwell that sucks, I guess I need to convert the files then.
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17:21:24bluebrothertststs ...
17:21:59markunwhy doesn't he stay long enough for me to finish what I was going to say..
17:22:12bluebrotherbecause "it sucks"?
17:22:28*bluebrother shakes head
17:22:57markunif you have a ipod video it sucks maybe, but for us Gigabeat owners it really rocks :)
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17:24:23ArathisiRiver roo :)
17:24:33bluebrotherroo?
17:24:59amiconnArathis: No idea, my wps'es are bitmap free
17:25:10markunArathis: but the H3xx guys already had video playback
17:25:13Arathiss/roo/too
17:25:19bluebrotherah :)
17:25:29Arathismarkun: but not the H10s
17:26:06Arathisamiconn: hmm...haven't found anything. Need to rethink my new wps than :/
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19:25:27Zandaahi there
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19:30:16dan_aHi Zandaa
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19:31:02Zandaadan_a: I know I shouldn't really be asking here, but I tried to install Rockxob on my iPod 4G with an installer, but it boots into apple firmware :\ any suggestions?
19:32:35dan_aI guess "try again" isn't what you're looking for?! Do you see anything that isn't normally there between the Apple logo and the Apple firmware?
19:33:16Zandaadan_a: nothing irregular, no
19:33:45dan_aThen it sounds like nothing has been installed
19:34:24Zandaahm... :\ I'll look around for a quick-start guide on a manual install then
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19:34:47dan_aZandaa: Do you have a color or a greyscale 4G?
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19:34:56Zandaadan_a: greyscale, good old greys
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19:35:37dan_aThen IpodInstallation from the Rockbox wiki is what you need, and ignore the bit about it being outdated.
19:35:46GodEaterhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
19:35:53GodEaterta da!
19:35:53Zandaathanks a lot you guys :)
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19:40:40Zandaadan_a: just grab the daily build then?
19:41:02GodEaterZandaa: get the current build
19:41:05GodEaternot the daily one
19:41:20bonbonthejonZandaa: do you run linux?
19:41:38Zandaabonbonthejon: not at the moment, no.. :S
19:41:41axion1just got the new daily build. New menu's are nice. Had to restart player to reflect battery capacity time remaining change
19:41:45axion1no issues yet
19:42:07bonbonthejonZandaa: i wrote a script that gets the bootloader installs, gets the firmware and installs that, but its linux shell script
19:42:18GodEatercurrent build is due to finish in about 7 minutes
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19:42:37bonbonthejonaxion1: daily build or current build
19:42:58GodEaterhttp://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipod4gray/rockbox.zip
19:43:08GodEaterthere we go - the 4th gen gray scale is done already
19:43:26axion1oh sry curent
19:43:34ZandaaGodEater: thanks ^^; I'm a bit new as far as firmware replacements go :( sorry for the trouble
19:43:42GodEaterno trouble
19:43:45GodEater:)
19:44:26GodEaterZandaa: out of curiousity - why are you trying rockbox? For the ability to play more music in an easier to manage way? Or for the games ? :)
19:44:32axion1I have versoin r12624−−070305 current build from the site
19:44:36GodEateror some other reason ?
19:44:56ZandaaGodEater: just for the sake of trying it out, tried iPL before which was... nice, and new audio codecs are always awesome
19:45:18GodEateroh well if you got iPL going, rockbox should be a breeze
19:45:38ZandaaI used an installer for iPL though, no manual work
19:46:00GodEaterwell - you should be okay
19:46:06GodEaterthe instructions are pretty thorough
19:46:10GodEaterand we're here too
19:46:28pixelmaAhh - with the cop support we don't have to tell people to get a no-scaling build or something in that line, right? :)
19:46:38Zandaathe instructions seem straightforward so far :B plus I'll have bragging rights at school tomorrow *evillaugh*
19:46:38GodEaterdan_a: btw - I've followed your example and started using git locally
19:47:20GodEaterpixelma: seems to depend on the individual ipod =/
19:47:34dan_aGodEater: Are you using git-svn to handle things, or running git on top of an SVN checkout?
19:47:41GodEaterthe latter
19:48:05GodEaterhaven't looked into git-svn
19:48:12dan_apixelma: COP support seems to help, but I'm not guaranteeing anything
19:48:25ZandaaGodEater: any way I need to back up my current iPod firmware?
19:48:42GodEaterZandaa: the instructions include that step
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19:49:00ZandaaGodEater: kk ^^;, just asking.. don't want my apple firmware customizations to go to waste
19:49:13pixelmadan_a: thanks - just wanted to be prepared when someone asks
19:49:17GodEaterZandaa: the bootpartition.bin you'll end up with is your backed up firmware
19:49:27ZandaaGodEater: k, thanks ;)
19:49:44GodEaterZandaa: make sure you keep it somewhere safe :)
19:50:02ZandaaGodEater: somewhere on the iPod should do I guess right?
19:50:41GodEaterZandaa: that's a good idea - and somewhere on your PC too ideally
19:50:52GodEaterI do the same with my gigabeat
19:51:02GodEaterI even gmailed it to myself :)
19:51:06ZandaaGodEater: hm.. what about storing that on my network's fileserver?
19:51:37GodEaterZandaa: the more places the better in my experience
19:51:48ZandaaGodEater: okay :D
19:51:58bluey-will there ever be hfs+ support for the ipod? :)
19:52:12GodEaterbluey-: extremely doubtful
19:52:36GodEaterthat would be a platform specific filesystem, and rockbox aims to be as cross platform as possible
19:52:52ZandaaGodEater: besides, after reading about how Rockbox allows for you to drag/drop music onto the iPod and let it work I was sold :B
19:53:29bluey-yeah but it would be interessting to see, how an diffent fs would help to improve the performance and battery times
19:53:30GodEaterZandaa: are you likely to want to dual boot ?
19:54:02n1sbluey-: what makes you think it woulod improve battery times?
19:54:05ZandaaGodEater: dualboot apple and rb? I unno :\ what do you suggest I do as a first shot?
19:54:19bluey-better caching
19:54:25bluey-for example
19:54:34GodEaterZandaa: well if you *will* dual boot, I'd stick to using iTunes to look after your music on the iPod, and use Rockbox's Database features
19:54:34amiconnbluey-: I doubt that a more complex file system will improve battery runtime and performance
19:54:34bluey-correct me if i`m wrong
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19:54:57GodEaterif you're not going to dual boot, then you can consider using the drag 'n' drop method
19:55:14ZandaaGodEater: well, I mostly use winamp for syncing my iPod, was disgusted by the way iTunes worked
19:55:20n1sbluey-: wouldn't caching be more implementation dependant htan dependant on the FS?
19:55:21axion1im stilll lookiing to how to create database
19:55:24GodEaterbecause if you try to mix the two methods, you'll end up with music that the apple OS can't see
19:56:41bluey-well dunno but i`m sure there a limitations within the fs
19:56:49GodEateraxion1: General Settings->File View->Database->Initialise Now
19:57:10bluey-isn`t or wasn`t creative using there own FS because of better performance
19:57:23GodEaterbluey-: if anything I'd expect hfs+ to decrease battery life
19:57:37GodEaterthere's so much metadata overhead that it would be pointless for rockbox to support
19:58:12amiconnUmm.....
19:58:25ZandaaGodEater: sweet :D it's up and running now
19:58:31amiconnRockbox doesn't boot any more on my mini2g, I wonder why?
19:58:47amiconnThe bootloader says "rockbox loaded", and that's it
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19:59:15n1sbluey-: anyway the reason that FAT32 is a very good choice here is that it is so well supported by computer OS's, hfs is mac only (and linux and maybe some others) but fat works everywhere and it is quite simple too and it's supported by all OF's too
19:59:53bluey-thats a point
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20:00:18GodEateramiconn: frequency scaling issue? ;)
20:00:23amiconnHuh?
20:00:32amiconnThe PP5022 never had frequency scaling issues
20:00:38GodEaterhence the smiley ?
20:02:18GodEateramiconn: on another note - have you got round to a brief outline of your viewports plan anywhere ?
20:04:13GodEaterbluey-: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NoDo#Support_other_filesystems_than_F
20:04:23ZandaaGodEater: o.O holy sweet
20:04:42GodEaterZandaa: is that good exclamation, or a bad one ?
20:05:10ZandaaGodEater: ehh, not quite sure.. but I bet it's good :D
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20:05:58amiconnAh, my bootloader was too old. I thought it was new enough...
20:06:20GodEaterhard to tell what color the background is on a mini huh ?
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20:06:38GodEaterit's either grey, or grey
20:06:42amiconnI had a self-built bootloader running from mid-december
20:06:54GodEaterthat is quite a while back
20:07:03preglowhaha
20:07:05amiconnI thought that one already had cop support
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20:07:11preglowlooks like the zune-linux site is down :P
20:07:17amiconnIirc I installed this bootloader because f that
20:07:36GodEaterpreglow: you mean the scotch mist site? :)
20:07:57GodEateror we'll-make-it-up-as-we-go-along-ware
20:07:58n1sI guess we should tell people to update their bootloaders as the old ones doesn't seem to work very well with the new cop support...
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20:08:42GodEatern1s: can't hurt
20:09:35amiconnHmm, rockbox now seems to be more sluggish than without cop support...
20:10:15axion1question when rockbox createst a playlist. and I scroll down to the name of hte file how do I save that file on the X5
20:10:16amiconn...and cop doesn't help anything regarding boost ratio
20:10:49preglowdeed
20:11:04amiconn57% boost with 256kbps mp3, 0dB linear stereo output
20:11:29ZandaaGodEater: how nice Rockbox may look :\ it's kinda jaggy on audio playback on my pod
20:12:01GodEaterhere's where you'll need the advice of actual ipod owners who run rockbox =/
20:12:12*GodEater looks at amiconn significantly
20:12:53GodEaterZandaa: first thing you should try is change to a WPS that doesn't use peak meters
20:13:02GodEaterthey eat valuable CPU
20:13:12GodEatertry RockBOX'd
20:13:17preglowamiconn: it shouldn't actually be slower
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20:13:21ZandaaGodEater: I see, under settings right?
20:13:22preglowamiconn: but something is wrong indeed
20:13:33amiconnpreglow: No, it shouldn't, but it feels like it is
20:14:18GodEaterZandaa: Settings->Browse Themes I believe
20:14:21pixelmaGodEater: Rockboxed isn't very nice in greyscale (or mono)
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20:14:30ZandaaGodEater: got it on rockboxed, thanks
20:14:31dan_aIt seems like disk spinups take longer with the COP support
20:14:33preglowi don't think rockboxed is very nice at all
20:15:00GodEaterZandaa: try the playback again - that *should* help
20:15:08ZandaaGodEater: it seems better now, yeah
20:15:08pixelmapreglow: I don't like it much myself but that's personal taste
20:15:23preglowpixelma: sure, didn't claim i spoke for everyone ;)
20:15:34GodEaterZandaa: I'd try browsing through the forums and look for other people who have audio issues with the ipod
20:15:38GodEaterand see the other things they've tried
20:15:54GodEaterI'm still waiting for LinusN to work his magic with the 80GB before I can try them myself
20:16:22*LinusN hides under a rock
20:16:27ZandaaGodEater: it's especially while using other functions :\
20:16:30GodEaterI think I'm going to give up subtly digging at LinusN for Lent
20:16:33GodEater:)
20:16:43GodEateryou have 40 odd days of peace Linus ;)
20:16:50pondlifeI gave up subtlety for Lent
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20:17:04GodEaternice thing to give up pondlife :)
20:17:08GodEaterI wish I'd thought of that
20:17:18*amiconn spots LinusN under his rock ;)
20:17:26pondlifeHmm, how did tree.c track the current file in the old days (before the root menu)?
20:17:35amiconnLinusN: There is now a nice little M5 gfx for inclusion on the build page
20:17:58*GodEater wonders what an M5 is ? Other than a fast BMW that is
20:17:58LinusNamiconn: there is now a nice little m5 pic on the build page
20:18:13pondlifeAnyone with a clue fancy looking at tree.c, routine rockbox_browse()?
20:18:18amiconnGodEater: iAudio M5, the greyscale twin of the X5
20:18:20GodEaterooh pretty
20:18:46GodEaterdo you know - all this time I thought the X5 was greyscale
20:19:01GodEaterhow dumb do I feel now
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20:19:06amiconnThere are some more differences. M5 has no radio and no USBOTG
20:19:23zethHi, is ogg supported on the 1st gen Ipod Nano?
20:19:32preglowehh, when viewing an actual mail in the ml archive, the "current builds" and "extras" menu entries switch to something else
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20:19:57GodEaterzeth: yes
20:20:03zethcheers
20:20:08GodEaterif by ogg, you mean ogg vorbis
20:20:10zethI will give it a go tonight then
20:20:12zethyeah
20:20:15zethogg vorbis
20:21:09GodEaterheh - they go back to daily/svn builds :)
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20:24:07zethwhat version of firmware do I use
20:24:11zethcurrent or archive
20:24:12zeth?
20:24:14GodEatercurrent
20:24:30GodEateralways use current, unless you have a very good reason not to
20:25:01Learpondlife: what about it (not that I know much more about it than you...)?
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20:26:02zethcheers
20:26:05pondlifePreviously, stopping playback would return to the browser with the last selected/played song selected (depending on follow playlist)...
20:26:18pondlifeNow it always selects the first file in the folder.
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20:27:38pondlifeWell, I'm out of hacking time again.
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20:31:40preglowshould we try to revert the "switch off when alarm is set" functionality the manual describes, or correct the manual?
20:31:59LinusNi don't think it should switch off
20:32:17Learpondlife: (In case you're reading the log) Previously tree.c would start the WPS, so when you left the WPS, you returned to tree.c, with all the context intact. Now dirbrowse returns a special value when it is time to show the WPS.
20:32:19preglowand i think i agree
20:33:16amiconnLinusN: How could we handle potential collisions then?
20:33:28amiconnI.e. the alarm kicking in when the box is still on?
20:33:39LinusNwhy would that be a problem?
20:33:39preglowwhy would we want to handle that?
20:33:43preglowit's the user's fault, surely
20:33:54preglowthe powermgmt thread already checks for it
20:34:00preglowand disables alarm if it sees it
20:34:08LinusNwhich is wrong imho
20:34:15amiconnLinusN: *Iirc* the v1 alarm mod doesn't allow the box to shut down if that happens
20:34:22LinusNit should send a SYS_ALARM signal to the main thread
20:34:37amiconn..and unless I'm missing something, the archos rtc doesn't send interrupts
20:34:48preglowit doesn't, no
20:34:53LinusNno, but the powermgnt thread polls the rtc
20:34:59amiconnoh ok
20:35:08LinusNthere is no reason to force a shutoff
20:35:16LinusNor at least there shouldn't be
20:35:35LinusNdamn, my sim hangs when trying to play mp3 files... :-(
20:35:43amiconnThen I wonder why there used to be a shutdown...
20:36:11LinusNbecause the rtc is connected to the ON button, and you can't shut it down if the rtc alarm is unhandled
20:36:49amiconnYes I know. But you say the rtc is polled and hence the alarm will be handled...
20:36:54Zandaa:| mwah
20:37:20LinusNamiconn: that was added much later
20:37:53amiconnaha, makes sense
20:40:34amiconnhmmmmm
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20:41:04amiconnLinusN: Iirc there were reports regarding glitching keypads on X5?
20:41:10LinusNyes
20:41:20amiconnSeems this M5 does have the same problem
20:41:22preglowthe manual also says that switching on again before an alarm triggers disables it, but i don't know if that's true on ipod
20:41:33LinusNthere is a patch in the forums that solves it
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20:41:55amiconnI should probably add extra filtering the same way as on the H300
20:42:02Zandaa:( unfortunately I had to uninstall rockbox.. iPod was getting too slow and whatnot
20:42:55amiconnBah
20:43:11*amiconn almost never finds what he's looking for in the forums
20:48:19bonbonthejonZandaa: what gen ipod
20:48:29Zandaabonbonthejon: 4th gen, greyscale
20:48:56bonbonthejonZandaa: same i have, do you have eq on, that slows it down, otherwise it works fine here
20:49:09Zandaabonbonthejon: eq? don't think so
20:50:43preglowamiconn: gcc 4.1.x shaves off 7kb of rockbox.ipod
20:51:02preglow4.1.1, i think it was i used
20:51:12bonbonthejonanyone know why rockbox scans the disk when it turns on?
20:51:38pixelmapreglow: IIRC dan_a was tinkering a bit too a while ago
20:51:46preglowbonbonthejon: because you enabled dircache?
20:51:55bonbonthejonpreglow: ah
20:52:30Zandaabonbonthejon: got rockbox back on, it still responds really slow :\
20:52:52bonbonthejonZandaa: do you have the most recent bootloader and firmware
20:53:01Zandaabonbonthejon: yeah
20:53:16bonbonthejonZandaa: the old bootloader or the newer one
20:53:36Zandaabonbonthejon: I guess the old one then
20:54:12bonbonthejonZandaa: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta
20:54:28bonbonthejonZandaa: did you use ipodpatcher?
20:54:30*preglow just tried the arm thumb patch
20:54:43preglowand all i can see is 4kb of size savings
20:55:05preglownot exactly staggering
20:55:30Zandaabonbonthejon: yeah, used ipodpatcher
20:55:32bonbonthejonif I turn off bookmarking, can rockbox still resume play after I turn it off
20:55:37bonbonthejonZandaa: hmm
20:56:28amiconnLinusN: The patch in the forum changes behaviour for all targets...
20:56:32toffejhMikeS: are you there ?
20:56:55amiconn...but I've adapted my sliding window filter from H300 to X5+M5
20:57:00Zandaabonbonthejon: and I'm kinda bummed by lack of iTunes DB reading as that's where all my music is stored currently
20:57:03amiconn...and it seems to work nicely
20:57:09LinusNamiconn: great
20:57:13preglowZandaa: just use the database feature
20:57:25Zandaapreglow: it says database not ready
20:57:27bonbonthejonZandaa: there is supposedly a way to convert itunes db to rockbox's db
20:57:33preglowZandaa: have you read the manual?
20:57:46Zandaapreglow: manual.. shortly, yeah
20:58:40jhMikeStoffe: yes, here and there
20:59:06toffedid you check your email ?
20:59:37jhMikeSno just got back, will do
20:59:51toffeor can you pm me?
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21:08:37LearAny opinions about http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5591
21:09:04LearI've updated it to SVN, but it is a bit of a hack, making gui_list_draw a bit more complex...
21:16:05*amiconn wonders whether this patch has a noticeable effect at all on the G5
21:16:08Zandaa:| why does it not initialize a DB?
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21:16:31n1sZandaa: because you didn't tell it to?
21:16:36amiconnAfaik the lcd controller has a practically fixed recovery time, independent of the size of the update
21:17:19Zandaan1s: I told it to initialize now
21:17:20amiconnHmm, and unless one uses paged scrolling it doesn't help at all on any target
21:17:28LearStill, it avoids lots of drawing...
21:17:49LearIt doesn't help actual scrolling, no.
21:17:59n1sZandaa: then wait til the disk stops spinning and then reboot your ipod, and it should say committing and then it should be ready
21:18:26*pixelma wishes tucoz was here to give the M5.svg the final touch...
21:18:58Zandaan1s: ^^; thanks again.. I'm so stupid at times -.-
21:19:39n1sZandaa: taking a look in the manual might help you to understand most things about rockbox :-)
21:20:01Zandaan1s: I just did :\ must've read over the line that says to reboot the pod
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21:21:38z0dehi
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21:22:39z0deare their any more small games that can be added to rockbox that i can play while music plays
21:22:54z0derockbox, bubbles, snake type games
21:23:05z0dealso can anyone do lvl70 of bubbles?
21:23:10decayedcell__that would have to be implemented in the actual game
21:23:22bluebrothercheck the tracker
21:23:39bluebrotherbut most of them might be integrated into Rockbox as of now.
21:24:24z0detrackers only has a few patchs for ipod.
21:24:50z0deor stuff thats already in
21:25:09z0dei was hoping i could drag-drop some mods in.
21:25:59bluebrotherno.
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21:26:15bluebrotheryou won't drag-n-drop any plugins as they need to match the plugin API
21:26:20bluebrotherwhich changes from time to time
21:26:23z0deso i cant play any other games without using a doom type set up.
21:26:52z0deI've finished brickmania far too meny times
21:27:07Zandaawooo! we're animaniacs!
21:27:11z0deand im stuck on lvl70 of bubbles.
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21:28:52x1jmpCan someone explain me that '* $Id: ' line in every source file? Is it an automatically updated header?
21:29:06*jhMikeS isn't sure why the keyboard should have to restrict cursor movement based on the smallest screen. the selected char doesn't match between remote and main lcd anyhow.
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21:32:36bluebrotherx1jmp: yes
21:32:37Buschelhi all, any developers in here? i'd like to discuss some issues regarding musepack and ID3-tags
21:32:42amiconnjhMikeS: Probably because nobody has come up with a clean multiscreen implementation of the keypad
21:33:23bluebrotherit's a header that has the latest vcs ID and date. Makes it easier to track versions of a file
21:34:19Learbuschel: don't mix the two?
21:34:21jhMikeSamiconn: it forces both screens into line edit simultaneously so the cursor hops oddly on the main. To me it makes some sense to just have them operate independently.
21:34:26x1jmpbluebrother: So just ignore it?
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21:34:44amiconnjhMikeS: Yes, with just the edit line synced
21:35:07amiconn(only the contents, neither cursor position nor mode)
21:35:12Buschellear: why should it not be allowed to mix musepack with ID3
21:35:15z0deHow do i finish bubbles lvl70.
21:35:18jhMikeSright
21:35:21z0deTips please.
21:35:38LearBecause Musepack uses APE tags. That's the "official" format at least...
21:36:13jhMikeSit doesn't distinguish remote and main keypresses atm
21:36:22Buschellear: well, you may combine .mpc's with ID3 −− i've got nearly 1000 such files
21:36:24bluebrotherx1jmp: yes, mostly.
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21:37:23bluebrotherBuschel: I don't know about mpc, but some programs even allow id3v2 tags in vorbis files, which is plain wrong (and will cause problems in Rockbox)
21:37:49LearBut what are the issues?
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21:38:19Buschelbluebrother: but all sw-players I tried (e.g. winamp) work do not bother about the kind of tag attached to musepack −− why shoul rockbox?
21:39:31Buschellear: issue = a) forbid combination of musepack with ID3 or b) how to exchange all my ID3-tags with APE ;)
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21:39:47bluebrotherI don't know if using id3 in mpc files is broken. If it is broken Rockbox shouldn't bother, regardless of PC players
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21:40:28Buschelbelieve me: mpc will not got broken by either ID3v1/v1.1 or v2
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21:40:48amiconnbluebrother: I agree that we shouldn't support broken combinations of tags and format, but rockbox shouldn't crash either
21:41:03Learbuschel: Changing tags should be easy with a program like mp3tag. But as always, test a few files first, before attacking all files. :)
21:41:12Buschelrockbox ignores ID3-tags with musepack. but such files are not broken.
21:41:17amiconnEither it should just ignore the file, or play it (without reading the metadata)
21:41:57Buscheldo you think there is a slight possibility that rockbox may support ID3-tags with musepack files in future?
21:42:25bluebrotherdoes it crash on id3 tags in those files?
21:43:00Buschelno, it does playback very well. the tag data will not be loaded to database or be even shown
21:43:12bluebrotherit shouldn't crash, agreed.
21:43:39bluebrotherBut as I said, I don't know if mpc & id3 is a valid combination. At least the mpc website tells to use ape tags.
21:44:02amiconnI fact rockbox should never crash on malformed input
21:44:16bluebrothersomeone else than me might know better if that combination is valid or not
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21:44:19amiconn(like when e.g. renaming an mp3 file to .ogg and then trying to play it)
21:44:31bluebrotheramiconn: I absolutely agree with that
21:44:39Buschelwell, as I wrote the very first encoders and created the format (up to SV7-bitstream) I can tell you that ID3 and .mpc are compatible :)
21:45:00Buschelthat's why I have problems with so many old files and ID3-tags...
21:46:40bluebrotherah :) Btw, there is a broken link on the musepack website to uni-jena.de pages
21:47:29Buschelthat was Franks site. afaik he also stopped participation in development
21:49:11LearAFAICT, ID3V1 is acceptable with MPC. But that format is quite limited...
21:49:51Buschelthats true, but it will be a pain and quite risky to delete all ID3s and replace them with APE
21:50:37LearShouldn't be a pain with mp3tag.
21:51:09Buschelis this tagger capable of reading the information out of exisiting tags and replacing them with APE?
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21:52:59LearShould be, yes. I've replaced ID3V1 with ID3V2. Not tried change to APE though (which is trickier, since both tags are at the end of the file).
21:53:09LearBut test on a file or two first...
21:53:28*jhMikeS sees get_action_statuscode and hopes that does the trick
21:53:28Zandaa:\ rockbox just randomly resetted my iPod
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21:56:36Scooterback again (Buschel)
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21:59:30Scooterso, cannot change my nick back... I just found mp3tag cannot write APE-tags. Any other well-known tool some here knows?
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22:00:07peturScooter: if you registered it, do /msg nickserv ghost
22:02:31thewhoHow can I terminate the sim under windows (H120)? I tried to hold the return key (=STOP) pressed but nothing happened. I always have to close the sim window by clicking at the X in the top right corner.
22:02:49thewhoAlt+F4 doesn't work for the sim window (for me at least)
22:03:01Scooterpetur: hmm, doesn't work... no problem though
22:03:09LinusNyes, clicking X is the way to do it
22:03:10Zandaagrrr
22:03:28Zandaarockbox keeps resetting my iPod randomly as i'm playing music :(
22:03:41thewhoLinusN: so the shutdown function (the most important one!!!:-) is not simulated?
22:03:52LinusNnot that i know of
22:04:39thewhoLinusN: weird but ok. So for example the "save config on shutdown" can only be tesed on target?
22:05:04thewho(if the config is saved on shutdown)
22:05:13LinusNguess so
22:05:50ArathisLinusN: your uisim changes where for all targets, right?
22:07:22LinusNyes
22:07:36preglowLinusN: thanks for that
22:07:39LinusNhmmm, perhaps not archos player
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22:08:00LearScooter: I write APE tags to WavPack files with it. Works fine.
22:08:42ArathisLinusN: I updated all target-tables. I also added U for USB toggling. I'm not sure if that is for all targets too
22:10:16ScooterLear: just found another tool also called mp3tag -> write APE from any other ID3-tag :o)
22:10:32x1jmpHow do I detect, if USB was connected with menu_run?
22:10:41LearScooter: I mean this one: http://www.mp3tag.de/en/
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22:11:12Scooteryes, V2.37a
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22:13:51amiconnLinusN: The debug was there for a reason: it should remind of the missing "lcd off" simulation for colour
22:14:43LinusNbut it is annoying as hell
22:14:59amiconnIs it?
22:15:35LinusNyes, the interesting debug output is drowned in "backlight: on" printouts
22:15:38*amiconn wasn't annoyed enough to add the missing simulation
22:16:43preglowi had it commented out in my local tree
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22:17:04preglowmade using the sim so much nicer
22:17:11preglowat least for debugging, which i tend to use it for a lot
22:17:17LinusNsame here
22:18:25LinusNsure, it might have been better to do proper simulation of the backlight, but i'll leave that to someone who cares
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22:21:18LinusNArathis: saw that and made some corrections. thanks.
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22:24:22Nico_PLinusN: well done... i should have removed that hing a long time ago
22:25:40dan_apreglow: I've just seen your comments about the thumb patch - sure it's only 4kb of saving, but that's with about 6 files compiled as thumb. If everything was compiled as thumb, and if that worked, we shave 25% off the binary
22:26:29preglowjust six files?
22:26:34preglowdamn, way to go misunderstanding a patch
22:27:33dan_aCheck the changes to the 2 Makefiles
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22:28:23zethOkay I am installing Rockbox on my nano, and I am a bit confused by 2.2.3.7
22:28:47zethI.e. the bit where you start using ipodcatcher
22:29:02zethis my nano supposed to be mounted or not at this point?
22:29:45linuxstb_zeth: Try these instructions instead - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta
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22:30:47linuxstb_If you use those, we no longer recommend a backup (but feel free to make one if you wish). The Nano shouldn't be mounted, but on Linux it doesn't matter.
22:31:05linuxstb_(on Mac OS X it must not be mounted).
22:31:25zethI am on Linux
22:31:39zethCan have it mounted or not
22:31:51zethif it is safer unmounted then I'll do that
22:31:59linuxstb_It shouldn't make any difference.
22:32:08zethso pick one
22:32:32linuxstb_Well, I never mount things unless I need to....
22:32:41zethcheers
22:32:43linuxstb_(I have disabled automounting)
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22:34:03zethleast by unmounting I can be sure that the files are really written
22:34:18zethto the disk, the .rockbox I just put there
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22:35:46linuxstb_dan_a: Does Rockbox work for you with the old bootloader on your 4g? I've only tested on my 5g, and get the same data abort that others have reported when starting playback.
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22:42:57dan_alinuxstb_: I'm sure it did when I tested it... let me just try again
22:43:05zethOkay I ran ipodcatcher
22:43:12zethIt said it installed okay
22:43:22zeth[INFO] Bootloader installed successfully.
22:43:38zethBut then it said something on the ipod screen (that I missed)
22:43:48zethNow I have regular ipod
22:44:01zethis that correct behaviour?
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22:44:27linuxstb_zeth: Is your hold switch on?
22:44:33zethit was
22:44:46linuxstb_That tells the Rockbox bootloader to start the Apple firmware :)
22:44:47zethis that bad?
22:44:51zethok
22:45:07zethhow do I tell it to load my trendy new firmware?
22:45:17linuxstb_Leave the hold switch off.
22:45:37linuxstb_(whilst you reboot - hold MENU+SELECT)
22:46:17zethnice
22:46:20zethI'm in
22:46:52linuxstb_Now go to Settings and Browse Themes and choose something other than the default - e.g. iCatcher.
22:47:07linuxstb_Although on the Nano the default isn't that bad...
22:47:35zethdefault is pretty tiny text
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22:49:27zethSo the controls seem identical to the legacy firmware
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22:54:05zethI have been using the ipod nano for half a year already and it is 60% full or more, the legacy database, does that use a lot of memory
22:54:30zethCan I save much by attacking the other firmware?
22:54:41dan_alinuxstb_: I used the bootloader in r10435. I get all the threads on the CPU, and when I try to play a song it works fine.
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22:56:21linuxstb_What date is that? I just used the release versions, from Jan 2006 I think.
22:57:00dan_aAugust 2006, just before I made the COP handling changes
22:57:22perl|worki wonder why people want rockbox on zen vision m
22:57:50perl|workits less "crippled" contemporary player ever
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22:58:24dan_aperl|work: Voice menus? Codecs? Games?
22:58:36linuxstb_For the fun of it...
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22:59:00dan_aTo impress girls
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22:59:25linuxstb_So does UMS drag-and-drop work on the Zen? I thought all Creative players needed some Windows application to copy files.
22:59:26perl|workerm, its OF it much more impressive, to girls that is
22:59:39perl|workit=is
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23:00:37zethOkay, I have an Ipod Nano at least half full of stuff, I have installed rockbox and read most of the manual
23:01:00zethQ. When I want to add new stuff, how does that work?
23:01:10zethDo I treat it as a normal ipod?
23:01:19bluebrotheryou can use itunes
23:01:26zethOr as a normal mp3 player and just dump the files on
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23:01:34zethI do not have itunes
23:01:38bluebrotheralternatively, you can simply drag n drop your audio files to the player in disk mode
23:01:40zethI hav gtkpod
23:01:40linuxstb_It's your choice. If you want the Apple firmware to see the files, you have to use it as an ipod. If not, then just drag-and-drop.
23:01:56zethNo I have rejected the ipod firmware
23:02:21bluebrotherreplace "itunes" with any ipod aware software
23:02:23linuxstb_Then "rm -r /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/" and just copy the files.
23:02:48zethI'd rather drag and drop
23:03:27peturJdGordon: here?
23:03:28perl|worklinuxstb_ its an MTP device
23:04:08zethI want to play some music but "database is not ready"
23:04:42zethHow long does that take?
23:04:44linuxstb_perl|work: Then getting rid of that would be one reason to port Rockbox.
23:05:23pixelmaperl|work: then I would hate it and prefer drag-and-drop with Rockbox. And I say that as a girl :P
23:05:25perl|workwell, it doesnt need any software if you're under XP
23:05:30perl|workyou just drug and drop anyway
23:05:37zethOk, so when I drag and drop
23:05:43perl|workdrag*
23:05:44zethWhere should I drop it?
23:05:52Kasperlezeth: until the "disk active" icon disappears. after that, you might need to reboot to commit the database
23:06:03peturroot menu bug: root -> plugins , then press play (resumes playback), then press stop. You're now again in the plugin list but left no longer goes to root
23:06:15zethMaybe I should kill the database and start again
23:06:16perl|workMTP is an XP built in feature
23:06:29zethget everything into drag and drop world
23:06:34linuxstb_perl|work: The whole world doesn't use XP
23:06:51Kasperlezeth: you can drop it anywhere you want. you can then browse by database or directly browse the filesystem by selecting the appropiate entry of rockbox's root menu
23:06:52JdGordonpetur: hey
23:07:11zethKasperle should I make like a hierarchy?
23:07:22Kasperlezeth: whatever floats your boat :D
23:07:34peturJdGordon: just wrote a root menu bugreport a few lines up
23:07:43***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:07:54linuxstb_zeth: Yes. Most people use an Artist/Album/NN-Track structure. Maybe with an extra Genre level at the top.
23:07:58JdGordonI saw... i have a 4 hour break today at uni, so im gonna fix all these tree bugs hopefully
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23:09:34Kasperlei normally like to use the database to browse music, but i recently dragged a bunch of not-so-well-tagged music onto the ipod :/
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23:12:06zethOkay I have music
23:12:23zethnice
23:12:56zethis it me or does it sound different?
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23:13:10zethslightly lighter
23:13:30zethmore treble?
23:14:04zetha clearer sound, less bass growl?
23:14:14Kasperlei think rockbox has an equalizer somewhere. but i dunno, i never used it
23:15:24zethThis is really nice software
23:15:40zethCan I change the menu names?
23:15:52zethCan I change 'database' to 'music' ?
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23:16:40peturfrrrr
23:16:46pixelma:)
23:17:02peturlearning linux the hard way
23:17:06dan_alinuxstb_: Bootloader version 20060404 works here
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23:23:17|Rincewind|LinusN: I saw that you are fixing some bugs in the simulator, I don't if this is a general problem, but If I use 'u' to simulate usb and then press 'u' again to "disconnect" the buttons don't work anymore
23:23:39JdGordon|Rincewind|: i had a look at that and couldnt figure it out :p
23:23:56|Rincewind|JdGordon: do you get it, too?
23:24:55JdGordonyeah
23:25:03JdGordonits definatly a bug...
23:25:22Zandaa:( Rockbox keeps hanging on me, crap
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23:26:45pixelmaZandaa: you have a 4G right? Then you suffer from the well known frequency scaling bug - there is an unsupported build in the appropriate forum section who works around that
23:27:17pixelma(most likely)
23:27:29Zandaapixelma: I just re-installed it using Loader2 to still gain access to Apple OS.. :\
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23:28:52Zandaapixelma: unsupported builds forum right? which topic should I look for?
23:29:20pixelmaZandaa: that should've worked for you too in rockbox when you used the old IpodInstallation instructions...
23:29:45pixelmano frequency scaling - I think it's called Mikeage build or similar
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23:29:52Zandaapixelma: I did, but the standard RockLoader didn't allow me to choose AppleOS
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23:31:04pixelmayou have to hold a button at startup (with the old bootloader I think) you don't get a menu. Don't know which because I don't own an ipod
23:31:20linuxstb_It's MENU.
23:32:34*mcphail hast just built the cross-compiler...
23:33:27Zandaagrr >.< laggy playback
23:35:36linuxstb_Zandaa: Which version of loader2 did you install? v2.4 isn't recommended for current Rockbox versions.
23:36:03LinusN|Rincewind|: fixed
23:36:12Zandaalinuxstb_: it probly was 2.4 :\, should find an older version I guess
23:36:30linuxstb_No, you want a newer version...
23:36:46linuxstb_Something from the last month or two.
23:37:14KasperleZandaa: you can either press and hold the menu button during startup, or reboot and put the ipod to "hold"
23:37:25Kasperlethat should boot apple os with the current rockbox bootloader
23:37:38zethWow, i have the complete Bible and Python docs on my ipod
23:37:46|Rincewind|LinusN: nice
23:38:13pixelmaKasperle: he has to use an older bootloader because the new one doesn't load the AppleOS on the greyscale Ipods
23:38:21Kasperleoh! :(
23:38:23zethnow putting Terry Pratchet
23:38:25Kasperlesorry
23:38:31Kasperlezeth: how do you read those?
23:38:38Kasperleapple os / ipod notes?
23:38:41zethin the reader
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23:38:55Zandaalinuxstb_: can't find anything newer than loader2.4 :\
23:38:58zethviewer
23:39:06Kasperlezeth: what viewer?
23:39:12zethThe rockbox one
23:39:30pixelma.txt viewer I assume
23:39:35zethYeah
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23:39:37Kasperleah.
23:39:43zethFor example, extract this http://ebible.org/bible/web/webtxt.zip
23:39:59Kasperlesome rich-text capable reader would be nice
23:40:00zethI extracted that onto ipod/rockbox
23:40:12zethRich text is for wossies
23:40:12Kasperleat least something that can do bold/italic/underline and maybe links
23:40:23zethLaTex reader
23:40:28zeththat would be cool
23:40:30Kasperlesomething like plucker for palmos
23:40:39linuxstb_Zandaa: Try here - http://ipodlinux.org/5.5g - in the Downloads section. (ignore the fact it's the page for the 5.5g - loader2 runs on all ipods).
23:40:45zethhtml maybe would be handy though
23:40:59Kasperlezeth: i'm not talking RTF here. just anything with formatting
23:41:31zethyeah I was just joking about
23:42:06zeth32 wide my screen is
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23:42:33zeththe ebible thing was just particularly well formatted for this kind of thing
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23:45:05Zandaalinuxstb_: Kasperle: thanks for all your help ^_^ I got Rockbox dualbooting with AppleOS using the newest loader, no laggy audio playback so far :D
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23:49:02mcphailcan i say thanks to all the devs for creating such a clean build and install process. I'm looking forward to hacking this ipod-3g now :)
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23:49:32linuxstb_dan_a: What do you think about the bootloaders? I think I prefer the option of the gcc 4.1.1 compiled, slightly hacked SVN bootloader.
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23:50:42Zandaasalut people, bed is calling
23:50:50LinusNsleep tight
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23:51:17dan_alinuxstb_: I agree, but with notes to say that it still needs fixing
23:53:25linuxstb_dan_a: Yes, commit your changes to SVN (#ifdef'ed for the appropriate targets) with a disclaimer.
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23:54:37linuxstb_Can you make some binaries, and I'll build ipodpatcher with the embedded files?
23:55:10linuxstb_We should then probably make an announcement telling people they need to upgrade.

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