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#rockbox log for 2007-03-16

00:00:22 Part merwin
00:01:07petura file from svn has keybords Author Date Id Revison here
00:01:15peturkeywords too
00:01:46linuxstbI've found it in the logs (thanks to amiconn) - svn propset svn:keywords "Author Date Id Revision" followed by a commit
00:04:35JdGordondid amiconn's m5l eventually die?
00:04:52linuxstbI think he said about 51 hours...
00:05:05preglowhole shit
00:05:08linuxstbIt should be in the logs
00:05:15preglowthat's quite insane
00:05:29linuxstbIndeed. It's about the same as all my DAPs combined...
00:06:18JdGordon19:48:42amiconnM5L runtime test result: 51:57 !
00:06:30*linuxstb wonders what H140+ipodcolor+ipodvideo+Recv1+gigabeat will give
00:06:39 Join merwin [0] (n=merwin@
00:07:09preglowi won't put any bets on my h120 + nano combo
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00:15:50 Part JavaMan22
00:16:03saratogai see toni updated the sansa emulator
00:16:08saratogaanyone played with it?
00:16:22saratogai'm curious if it can decode files properly in rockbox
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00:16:45saratogaor if it still fills up the pcm buffer and then stalls
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00:27:36*linuxstb waits for barrywardell to test sansapatcher with his bootloader...
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00:28:30barrywardellalmost ready...
00:28:41preglowlinuxstb: will sansapatcher be easier or harder than ipodpatcher?
00:29:23linuxstbAlthough it requires current Sansa users to restore the original firmware (i.e. remove the Rockbox bootloader) first.
00:30:17preglownot much of a problem
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00:31:47JavaMan22i finally compiled it :D
00:31:58JavaMan22but now i dont see my test.rock anywhere >:o
00:32:13JavaMan22i put test.c in apps/plugins
00:32:34 Part toffe82
00:32:53JdGordonlinuxstb: you going to merge them into pppatcher?
00:33:53linuxstbNo, they're quite different inside.
00:34:03JdGordonoh well :p
00:34:30linuxstbAlthough Domonoky should be able to incorporate sansapatcher into rbutil quite easily.
00:34:39preglowJavaMan22: have you updated plugins/SOURCES ?
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00:36:20JavaMan22oh wait
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00:36:33JavaMan22thanks a ton
00:36:37JavaMan22you too linuxstb
00:37:19preglowi'll take that as a no
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00:40:13 Quit ender` (" Asembler: You try to shoot yourself in the foot, only to discover you must first invent the gun, the bullet, the trigger, an)
00:40:21JavaMan22jeezus i better get used to this no new line at the end of file error
00:43:23andrewg867hey, can someone help me with this? I'm trying to figure out how do write to a register on the LV24020LP, I think I have figured out all the read/write bit code but I can't seem to find where in this datasheet ( it tells me what bits to put on the line to specify the register and what data to put in it
00:45:01_AmblinDoes anyone know if the voice for the e200 works yet?
00:45:18linuxstbYes, it should do.
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01:00:46Nico_Pam I right to think this is a complete mess ?
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01:01:39nlsNico_P: which tool did you use to make that graph?
01:02:00Nico_Pnls: it's a feature of KScope
01:02:08Nico_Pwhich uses Cscope
01:02:33andrewg867would my tuner_read_bit() work?
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01:05:28DwylocCan I ask how I go about trying to get my changes adding Audio playback control to the Solitaire plugin committed ?
01:05:43DwylocIts only a very small 3 or 4 line change put as a solitaire addict I find it very useful to be able to still control my music playback on my dap without exiting my current game.
01:06:14 Part Redbreva
01:07:02midkay(i'd be glad to commit it if nobody else speaks up)
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01:07:57andrewg867so no one has any comments on my code? :P
01:08:26midkayandrewg867: not sure if anyone around is able to.. what are you asking? why don't you try it and check? :)
01:08:37DwylocThanks that would be really appreciated.
01:09:45andrewg867midkay: it's somewhat of a general C question, did i create the tuner_read_bit function correctly to return the bit?
01:10:26andrewg867and I really have no clue on what the 'static inline' part does either ;)
01:10:48andrewg867i'm just learning as I go and borrowing code from other parts of Rockbox
01:10:53midkayandrewg867: static inline void? not sure how inline stuff works.. but you need to have the function an int to return an int (like static inline int read_tuner_bit)..
01:11:24andrewg867also 'bit = GPIOH_INPUT_VAL;' would work?
01:11:36midkaynot sure how that will work out though. you're dealing more with the core parts of rockbox that i know very little about.. sorry. might try the static inline int thing, else i can't help much.
01:11:37andrewg867I would have to define bit as an int then right?
01:12:10midkaywell, is GPIOH_INPUT_VAL an int or number? then it should be int bit.
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01:12:20andrewg867thanks for your help anyway :)
01:12:30andrewg867i'm not sure what it is exactly...
01:12:45andrewg867i'll try it like it is now
01:13:11andrewg867you wouldn't happen to know how to create a new debug menu would you?
01:13:50midkayandrewg867: well you'll probably get an error or warning.. you can't have a void function return an int.
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01:14:12andrewg867I think I have fixed that anyway
01:14:17midkayand you mean add an entry? you'll have to check out apps/debug_menu.c (i think) and find where to add it there.
01:14:29andrewg867yeah, and thanks
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01:14:47midkaysure thing.
01:14:50Domonokylinuxstb: i have some problems with sansapatcher, and including it in rbutil, there are problems with things with the same name in ipodpatcher and sansapatcher
01:15:00linuxstbDomonoky: Yes, I've realised that...
01:15:15linuxstbI didn't expect you to start work so soon.
01:15:27linuxstbIs it just the functions in sansapatcher.c ?
01:15:44linuxstbread_firmware(), add_bootloader() etc
01:16:11Domonokysansapatcher.h has a wrong include block.. and yes those functions..
01:16:33Domonokyi mean a wrong #ifndef ... #define block :-)
01:16:35midkayDwyloc: just a few minutes i hope..
01:16:36linuxstbAh, oops. To much copy and paste.
01:16:49linuxstbOK, I'll quickly fix those now.
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01:18:25Dwylocmidkay: thanks that will be one less patch to apply each time I do a fresh checkout and build for my nano and h120 :)
01:18:51midkayDwyloc: which others? maybe some are committable :)
01:21:59Dwylocmidkay: I don't currently have any more in a committable state but I am working on adding support for quitting a number of plugins with the h120 LCD remote. I will post them if and when I am happy with them.
01:22:25midkayDwyloc: alright, sounds good. if i can just get vmware to work.. :)
01:22:36_AmblinJust a quick question, on a DAP's processor, which is less exaustive, MP2 or MP3?
01:22:53_AmblinIm guessing MP2...
01:24:04linuxstbDomonoky: OK, I've just committed some changes - they should help, but there may be some more changes needed...
01:24:29linuxstbBut now it's time for sleep.
01:24:31*linuxstb sleeps
01:25:34Domonokyoki.. thx, gn8
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01:26:07linuxstbDomonoky: Feel free to make some changes yourself if you need to.
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01:30:23Domonokywhats the display resolution of the sansa ?
01:31:22pixelma176x220 I believe
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01:32:53Soap2neat patch Dwyloc
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01:33:45midkayDwyloc: vmware is really not working for me. :( i wonder if anyone else can commit it for now.
01:33:53*preglow wonders if the m5 can record
01:34:51Soap2according to it can
01:35:47Soap2dropped FM tuner (meh), DRM (boo-fscking-hoo) and colour (meh)
01:36:04pixelmapreglow: yes it can (built-in mic and line-in through the subpack)
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01:38:20Dwylocmidkay: thanks anyway. I know wmware can be a pain at times, but it still beats dual booting most of the time.
01:38:51midkayDwyloc: absolutely beats dual booting.. but having network problems. :(
01:39:42midkayDwyloc: gimme one more minute..
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01:43:28Dwylocmidkay: I had to add to /etc/hosts as sometime vmware fails to pickup dms from dhcp for me at work from our wifi network, even though it works under the host os fine.
01:44:29preglowpixelma: with the run time amiconn says it has, i've got to say it sounds tempting
01:45:03preglowi've been wanting another coldfire based player in case my h120 (god forbid) croaks
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01:45:36midkayDwyloc: finally.. fixed it.
01:46:31idk2I have a question about rockbox for the ipod
01:46:55idk2is there a way to have it boot by default into the original apple firmware?
01:48:43pixelmait definitely is - the only thing I really miss is the radio. The runtime is that high for the L-version which is only available with a single platter hd (I think 20 or 30GB versions) - also there are a bit rare already.
01:48:53idk2I have a question about rockbox for the ipod
01:48:56pixelma@ preglow
01:49:30idk2is there a way to have it boot by default into the original apple firmware?
01:49:44Soap2mp3 is mpeg1 layer 3, while mp2 is mpeg2 layer (?)
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01:50:26Soap2idk2: not unless you want to modify the bootloader
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01:50:56idk2are there bootloaders available which are already modified?
01:51:02nano-Does rockbox have support for usb-storage devices? Like if you have some cool iAudio and want to plug in your massive 500GB collection of music, is that possible?
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01:51:23Soap2not to the best of my knowledge. Have you searched the fourms for someone posting one?
01:51:32idk2I'll do that
01:52:03Soap2The actual modification wouldn't be that hard, and there are two premade build enviroments avalilable, and there is also cgywin for those who are prefer that method.
01:53:02midkayDwyloc: there, it should be in svn.
01:53:41idk2Should i ask about it in the forums?
01:53:51Dwylocmidkay: thanks again.
01:54:00Soap2someone has very recently, I thought perhaps it was you.
01:54:03pixelmanano-: do you mean with an external usb - connected through USB otg to your iAudio? If so the answer is: no, not yet
01:54:23midkayDwyloc: no problem :)
01:54:36pixelmaesternal hd that should read
01:54:54pixelmaerr.... you get the picture ;)
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01:54:59idk2I searched, there was a thread asking about it, but from april '06
01:55:06idk2is there a more recent one?
01:55:14nano-pixelma: "not yet", as in someone working on it?
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01:57:56idk2Actually, if i just installed it normally, then usually used the default firmware, and only reset my ipod when i wanted rockbox, would the ipod be mostly in sleep mode when i powered it off, and not constantly revert to rockbox?
01:59:30pixelmanot to my knowledge. I think it's a goal to have it... one day...
01:59:42Soap2idk2: mostly
02:00:13idk2how is the battery affected when playing music through rockbox. I will likely be using FLAC
02:00:24pixelmamy statement was to nano- ...
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02:05:05webguest26Hi guys...I just installed the gigabeatFX onto my question do I get the button LED to function????cant seem to find the setting!!!
02:06:00dude52i'm looking for someone who's good with coding and the ipod mini, anyone fit that bill?
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02:08:48preglowSoap2: mp2 is mpeg1 layer 2
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02:11:53dude52is Karl Kurbjun online?
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02:21:20andrewg867hrmph, I think I have finally figured out how to add a new debug menu selection
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02:22:43dude52i can't tell if i'm connected right. can anyone read this?
02:22:48andrewg867I can
02:22:53dude52oh good
02:22:59zecan you be connected wrong?
02:23:16dude52i didn't know if i'd have to port forward
02:23:42dude52are any devs online right now?
02:24:28dude52guess not
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02:50:24idk2I have another question
02:51:13idk2your features comparison page lists "Radio recording"
02:51:15idk2is this possible on the ipod?
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02:58:52dan333If I use the vmware image what will happen when my computer boots
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03:04:24Soap2it will boot windows (I assume you are running windows, dan333)
03:04:52Soap2as VMWare is Windows software that runs Linux (or other OSs) inside a virtual machine.
03:04:59dan333yes I am but do u get the choice of windows and linux or what happens
03:06:14Soap2VMware is just like firefox.
03:06:25andrewg867whooo, almost done the sansa FM tuner driver, just about ready for a real hardware test :)
03:06:28Soap2it is a windows application inside which linux runs.
03:06:34Soap2it is only an app.
03:06:46andrewg867vmware runs on linux too btw
03:06:47Soap2idk2 - the iPod has no FM to record.
03:06:50dan333what is fire fox
03:07:21Soap2nevermind - I figured that was a well-known enough Windows application to use as an example.
03:07:50Soap2andrewg867: ilrelevant for the point I am trying to make to dan333.
03:07:54dan333r u talking about the web browser
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03:09:13dan333So does it run linux and windows at the same time
03:09:33Soap2it runs linux IN windows.
03:09:47Soap2just as if linux was any other application.
03:10:01dan333how do I start the application through a short cut
03:10:08dan333on my desk top
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03:12:14andrewg867by double clicking on it?
03:13:00andrewg867it's just like if you wanted to run solitare or internet explorer, you just click on it and it will run linux on windows
03:13:29dan333I use a screen reader will this still work once I open up linux
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03:14:41andrewg867sorry but most likely not, the vmware virtual screen would be just like a picture to your software
03:15:53dan333is it like the command window or completely different
03:16:12andrewg867completely different, it is a whole operating system in one window
03:16:42andrewg867you might be able to use cygwin (which I have no experience in) to compile which is just like the command window
03:17:15dan333do u know of any screen readers for linux or would that just not work
03:17:35andrewg867I don't know of any personally but I'm sure there is one
03:18:15dan333if I could find one would this help the window read or not
03:19:06andrewg867it would require setting up vmware first without any screen reader then attempting to enable sound in vmware and setting up the screen reader in linux
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03:19:57andrewg867I think it would be easier to use cygwin, it somewhat emulates a linux environment in windows which your screen reader should have no trouble with
03:20:18andrewg867it would esentially be just like the windows command window
03:20:59dan333I tried installing cygwin but it seems really really complicated
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03:22:25blacknessdoes anyone here use the loader 2?
03:22:41Soap2try #ipodlinux
03:23:22andrewg867dan333: hmm, I don't really know what else to say, I can't really help out with anything cygwin related
03:24:19andrewg867yay, I have finished the first revision of the sansa FM driver :)
03:25:27andrewg867I don't even know if it works or not, its up for anyone to try. i'm going to try putting it into my sansa and using a debug menu to attempt to retrieve the chip ID
03:26:05dan333all I want to do is add patches to my daily and then compile it so what do you think i should use
03:27:33andrewg867if they are only a couple I might be able to do it for you
03:27:52andrewg867what player are you using and what are the patch numbers?
03:28:53dan333all I want to do is add patches to my daily and then compile it so what do you think i should useI am using a h300 but I will need to get the numbers also when i update I would need to repatch that's all
03:29:57andrewg867I dont think thats a big deal, it just seems easier for someone to compile it for you instead you you struggling to use cygwin or vmware since you use a screen reader
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03:31:46Soap2it would be nice for a sighted person to confirm the compatibility of VMware or colinux and popular screen-readers.
03:32:16andrewg867if you could name some screen readers then I might be able to try with VMware
03:32:21Soap2maybe even tune one of the distros for ease-of-screen-read.
03:32:38dan333do u want to know the screenreader I use
03:32:39andrewg867yeah, a nice project
03:32:44andrewg867dan333: sure
03:33:13dan333I use window eyes but jaws for window more
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03:34:43dan333jaws for windows is what it is thats the full name
03:34:53andrewg867I found a copy of jaws but not window eyes
03:35:46dan333jaws is more power full and more people use it so its probabley a better option
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03:41:12andrewg867wow these screen reader programs are expensive
03:46:53dan333yeah u can download a demo that does everything but u need to reboot every 40 minutes
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03:55:39andrewg867brb, jaws reuires a reboot
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04:02:32andrewg867this seems to be working nicely in the terminal window, anyway
04:03:20andrewg867I downloaded the "portable" version of 7.0 and it seems that I don't have to pay for it
04:05:42andrewg867now to see how well it works in VMware
04:07:46andrewg867it seems it cant read any of the VMware dialogue boxes or the virtual machine
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04:11:36sslasheshi - i just registered on the wiki to add my name to the summer of code page - can i get write permission?
04:12:33andrewg867well I shall be off to bed now, i'll work on the FM driver more tomorrow. Hopefully I can integrate it with my current development source and maybe get the FM tuner working :)
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04:29:06aliasksslashes: What's your wiki name?
04:29:15sslashesaliask: RobFrawley
04:30:44aliasksslashes: You should have write access now.
04:30:53sslashesaliask: thanks!
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04:30:54aliaskYou're welcome.
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04:35:29aliaskjhulst: I see you're interested in the Zen Vision: M port
04:36:51jhulstaliask: yes
04:37:24aliaskI've been using one for a couple of days now, it's a pretty nice device. It'd be better with rockbox though :)
04:37:27jhulstaliask: I recently purchased one and am looking to expand it
04:37:42aliaskDo you have a plan of action?
04:37:44jhulstaliask: I agree, the biggest thing for me is the lack of flac and ogg
04:38:00jhulstHave you seen our wiki page?
04:38:20aliaskNot recently...
04:38:57jhulstWe have a person buying a hard drive adapter to figure that part out
04:39:11jhulstsomeone offered a broken one for the scans
04:39:20jhulstI'm waiting on getting that from him
04:40:01jhulstUnfortunately, lots of people are interested, most without any coding experience though
04:40:30jhulstnot unfortunate that their are lots of people, unfortunate that their is no coding experience
04:41:38aliaskIt might be an idea to work with toffe of the gigabeat port - both the ZVM and the gigabeat s use a very similar method of updating firmware
04:42:05jhulstsounds good, I've chatted with toffe a little bit
04:42:15jhulstare you going to be holding onto your Vision M?
04:43:46aliaskIt's actually my cousin's. It just came back from creative after some repairs.
04:44:02aliaskLong story short: no.
04:44:05jhulstI see, well you are always welcome to help out :)
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04:44:44aliaskWell, I have a gigabeat s, and I'm looking to get a harddrive adapter for that so I can take a closer look. They're quite expensive and I've only managed to find them overseas.
04:44:54aliask(the adapters)
04:45:22jhulstwe were lucky, it looks like a $20 one will do it for us
04:45:52dan333hi again if I go a head and try cygwin again would I be able to get help on here as I am instaling
04:46:27jhulstdan333: I can try to give some help, it's been a little while and I don't have my Windows box in front of me
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04:47:07aliaskjhulst: Does the Zen use a ZIF harddrive? If so, could you give me a link to where you bought it?
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04:48:25dohminatorCan someone help me? I tried to install rockbox on my color/photo ipod, now I am stuck with a black screen with the white apple logo, and I can't reset it.
04:48:38Enraged_NoobHow did you install it?
04:49:07jhulstaliask: I'm not sure if it is zif, this is what we go
04:49:41dan333when I get to the list of sighsites this is when I am installing cygwin which one do I choose
04:50:07aliaskjhulst: Ah, that one won't fit the Gigabeat unfortunately.
04:50:09dohminatorInstalled the bootloader, then I installed the files to the root directory. It loaded it up initially, but when I did the safely remove hardware in XP, it went to that screen
04:50:24Enraged_NoobAhh.. hold on
04:50:34jhulstaliask: yeah, I think it is just a miniature laptop drive
04:50:38blacknessis it possible to run ipod linux as an app under rockbox?
04:50:46aliaskblackness: No
04:51:00jhulstdan333: you have already downloaded the setup.exe and are running that?
04:51:51dan333I have got setup.exe but am not running that also I am blind will I need sighted asystence to install
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04:52:48Enraged_NoobDohminator go here
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04:53:08Enraged_NoobAnd download the noscaling build for the ipod
04:53:47Enraged_Noobrestart your ipod in disk mode (press select+play) after restarting, delete the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod folder
04:53:49jhulstdan333: okay, you have to start out runnign setup.exe
04:53:56Enraged_Noobthen delete the bootloader
04:54:06Enraged_Noobreinstall everything
04:54:12Enraged_Noobexcept this time
04:54:27Enraged_Noobinstead of the rockbox firmware unzip the noscale build to your ipod
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04:54:50dan333If you could that would be great I amiganOk I am up to the screen that says download from the internet
04:55:24Enraged_NoobCan anyone here help me with the itunesDB to rockboxDB converter?
04:55:45jhulstdan333: now select a mirror, one close to you is best but it shouldn't make a whole lot of differencec
04:55:49dohminatorOnly problem is that I can't restart my ipod at all.
04:56:07Enraged_Nooboh.. how are you doing it?
04:56:07dohminatorwow, there it went
04:56:24dohminatorof course it would work.
04:57:44dan333If you could that would be great I amiganOk I am up to the screen that says download from the internetis ok
04:58:17jhulstdan333: yes that is fine
04:58:24dan333I mean is ok
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04:58:39jhulstdan333: yes
04:59:10Enraged_Noobso ... can anyone help me with the Itunes to rockbox database converter?
04:59:34dan333I mean is okwhat do I type in the edit box thing on that same screen
05:00:06jhulstyou don't need to type anything, that is to add your own mirror
05:00:28jhulstdan333: just click next
05:01:00dan333now it is downloading is that meant to happen now
05:01:01dohminatorActually, I don't think it did reset. It just changed to a screen with a batter life indicator. WTF? I toggle the hold button, then press and hold menu and select. hmm...
05:01:14jhulstdan333: yes, it is getting the list of packages to install
05:01:33dan333Ok how long should this take?
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05:02:00jhulstdan333: it depends on your connection speed, I don't know exactly
05:02:49dohminatormy ipod is finicky
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05:03:11dohminatorThanks for your help enraged noob
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05:05:07jhulstdan333: has it finished yet?
05:06:14Enraged_Nooboops sorry
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05:06:25Enraged_Noobstill there?
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05:07:21Enraged_NoobYou need to recharge your ipod .. don't worry mine had the same problem ( i have photo/color) .. took me some hours to figure out what was wrong... then Llorean helped me and all was well _]
05:07:40Enraged_Noobjust charge your ipod for an hour or so, restart in disk mode .
05:07:46dan333yes , it says to keep and to skip packages, which ones do I keep?
05:08:38jhulstdan333: none are installed by default, you will need to install quite a few
05:09:22dan333should I keep them all?
05:09:52jhulstNo, you need to install a few, not deselect any
05:11:12jhulstdan333: I'm getting a list of ones that you need to install, hold on a second
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05:13:53jhulstdan333: is the list, the first one starts with Archive-zip
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05:14:01dan333I just clicked next I will see if it works and if it doesn't can I just reinstall it
05:14:50jhulstdan333: you don't have the correct packages installed, it isn't going to work for you
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05:18:35dan333xyOk so what do you think I should do
05:18:49dan333I have got a short cut as well
05:19:10jhulstI'm not sure, the setup gui isn't setup very well for someone who can't see it
05:19:49aliaskdan333: Are you installing cygwin for the purposes of building rockbox?
05:19:53jhulstdan333: you have a basic cygwin install without any special packages, to update all you need to do is run the setup.exe again
05:20:31dan333So should I run setup.exe again
05:20:52jhulstdan333: yes, but we are still going to need to figure out how to get the correct packages selected
05:20:53dan333I am wanting to add patches and then compile
05:21:00aliaskRead this
05:21:10dan333I can get sighted help if I need it
05:21:25jhulstdan333: I think that is going to be necessary
05:21:26aliaskAh, that won't be much help if you're blind...
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05:22:06jhulstaliask: I've been trying to walk him through it but that package selection is terrible if you can't see it
05:22:08dan333I can get sighted help if I need itI have read the screen shots page what number do I need to look at because I have already installed something
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05:22:43jhulstdan333: you can basically start over again
05:22:46aliaskI've heard that the cygwin installer is notoriously bad with screenreaders.
05:23:10dan333OK so do I need to rerun the download from the site list
05:23:37jhulstYou don't need to redownload setup.exe, just run it again and follow the instructions aliask linked to
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05:27:51dan333OK now I have got the list of packages I think
05:28:51jhulstdan333: okay, how can I describe what you need to click on, graphically they are little checkboxes
05:29:26jhulstUnder a column heading that starts with Bi I believe
05:29:32dan333There is curr do I leve that selected it is a check box
05:30:06jhulstyes leave that, below there are more check boxes
05:30:30dan333Ok so whats the first thing I should get some sighted to do now
05:30:46dan333some one i mean
05:31:53jhulsthave them go here,, and then at the middle of the page where it says "Ok, up to here it has all..."
05:32:08jhulsthave them start with the instructions there
05:32:42dan333does anyone know what I should get some one who is sighted to first click on
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05:34:50dan333I found the word Archive should they click on that
05:35:31jhulstYou click on the plus sign next to archive
05:36:18jhulstand then click the word skip for each package that needs to be installed (Zip and Unzip)
05:37:19jhulstThen you do the same for Devel clicking on skip for each package (binutils, gcc, gcc-mingw-core, gdb, make, mingw-runtime, patchutils, subversion)
05:37:39jhulstSame for interpreters (perl)
05:37:56jhulstand text (tetex-base, textex-extra)
05:42:53dan333It says keep next to zip and unzip as well as GNU shar utilities.It has skip next to MS-TNEF & Extract microsoft cabinet. What should I do?
05:43:30jhulstif it has keep next to zip and unzip, leave it, don't uninstall anything
05:44:12jhulstjust make sure keep or a version number is next to all the ones I listed
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05:47:02jhulstdan333: it's time for me to go, hope you get through the rest
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06:32:13aegray__anybody know about mmu's?
06:32:27aegray__specifically how to convert addresses?
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07:13:06DaNET23947hey can anyone help me
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07:16:42DaNET23947can anyone help me
07:16:57DaNET23947how do i add themes in my ipod
07:17:15scorchejust extract them
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07:17:20DaNET23947i did
07:17:27t0dk0nwhat os do you use?
07:17:38t0dk0nWindows, Linux, OS X?
07:17:38DaNET23947first of all i downloaded a theme and its too small for the screena nd i deleted it
07:17:52t0dk0nDaNET23947: alright, do you see the .rockbox file somewhere?
07:17:54scorcheyou need to download one for your device
07:18:01DaNET23947i got it
07:18:04t0dk0nDaNET23947: go into that
07:18:07t0dk0nthen copy the background
07:18:13t0dk0nto the background on your ipod directory
07:18:21t0dk0nthe font into the font directory on your ipod
07:18:25DaNET23947what do u mean by that
07:18:33t0dk0nthe wps folder and config file to the directory on your ipod
07:18:55DaNET23947my wps file has some stuff cna i delete it all
07:19:05t0dk0nDaNET23947: make two different file viewer windows... one to your ipod, and one into the .rockbox that your theme extracted to
07:19:17t0dk0nno, don't delete anything from the wps
07:19:25t0dk0nwhy would you want to delete it?
07:19:26DaNET23947umm i cleared it out
07:19:29DaNET23947just 1 file left
07:19:45DaNET23947its the unicatvher left
07:19:55t0dk0neverything from the zip file of the theme
07:19:57t0dk0nbelongs on your ipod
07:20:02t0dk0nin the respective directories
07:20:08t0dk0nunzip it again
07:20:22t0dk0nDownload them theme you want
07:20:25t0dk0nthe theme*
07:20:30t0dk0nunzip it
07:20:33t0dk0nor extract
07:20:37DaNET23947where cna i get osme themes
07:20:43t0dk0ndon't delete anything in the .rockbox file it creates
07:20:59t0dk0npick your ipod modek
07:21:07DaNET23947i[pod 5g
07:21:15t0dk0npick ipod video then
07:21:57DaNET23947ok then now wat
07:22:05t0dk0ndid you download a theme?
07:22:21DaNET23947which theme is the balck one
07:22:32DaNET23947black theme?
07:22:36*t0dk0n facepalms
07:22:38t0dk0niono, look around
07:23:15scorchet0dk0n: you brought it on yourself...i attempted, but you drowned me out with your multi-line sentences...all yours =)
07:23:19DaNET23947btw the remaining files in my wps file just delete it right?
07:23:37t0dk0nscorche: lol ass :-D
07:23:48DaNET23947hey todkon
07:23:59DaNET23947all the files in my wps file i clear em k?
07:24:06t0dk0nDanet23947: why do you want to delete the wps file?
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07:24:09t0dk0ndon't delete anything
07:24:15DaNET23947there is 1 file left lol
07:24:19DaNET23947its useless
07:24:24t0dk0nhows it useless?
07:24:29t0dk0nexplain your reasoning!
07:24:44t0dk0nDo you mean wps on your ipod?
07:24:46t0dk0nthe directory?
07:24:51t0dk0nwhich is not a file
07:24:54t0dk0nno, don't delete taht
07:24:59t0dk0nthose are just built in themes
07:25:09t0dk0non Rockbox, you can have as many themes as you want
07:25:18t0dk0nyou can have the whole theme database on your ipod if you'd like
07:25:21t0dk0nbut that would take a while :p
07:25:22DaNET23947so if i delete them then i won't ahve anythemes
07:25:27DaNET23947yea i want it
07:25:29t0dk0nyup :p
07:25:33DaNET23947so how do i do it
07:26:04t0dk0nalright.. download a theme, extract/unzip it, place all the contents of each sub directory into the main directories on your actual ipod
07:26:15t0dk0nso anything in the wps from the theme goes into wps on your ipod
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07:26:38DaNET23947i gotta download 1 at the time right?
07:26:41t0dk0nanything from the theme from the theme, goes into theme on your ipod
07:26:49t0dk0nlol sure
07:27:12DaNET23947i got the file now i extract to my ipod root?
07:27:36t0dk0nextract it on your computer somewhere, make a new directory
07:27:45DaNET23947oh ok
07:28:02t0dk0njust to be safe... I don't use windows, so I wouldn't know :p
07:28:04DaNET23947done ...
07:28:14t0dk0nnow, there's .rockbox from your theme?
07:28:20t0dk0njust the theme
07:28:22t0dk0nnot your ipod
07:28:37DaNET23947i got backdrops,fonts,themes,wps folders
07:28:42DaNET23947after extractin
07:28:57scorcheseriously though, can you use one line per thought at least? spams the logs
07:29:13DaNET23947my bad bro =P
07:29:21scorchenot you ;)
07:29:23t0dk0nI think he might be talking to me :-D
07:29:41DaNET23947ok now wat do i do
07:29:45t0dk0nsorry scorche... i'm too scatterbrained
07:30:20DaNET23947do i dump it in my ipod now?
07:31:03t0dk0nDanet23947: put the files from the inside of the extracted directories into the directories on your ipod
07:31:21DaNET23947in the .rockbox folder right?
07:31:22t0dk0nso whatever is in backdrops, the .bmp file, put that in backdrops on your ipod
07:31:53t0dk0nthen in wps, you put that whole directory + the theme config file into wps on your ipod
07:32:01DaNET23947i hate the wps defult background cna i clear em?? any effects on my ipod 5g?
07:32:19t0dk0nif you clear them, you should replace it with a new one, with the same name
07:32:37t0dk0nor change the name in the theme.cfg or theme.wps files
07:32:41DaNET23947same name??? if i load this new 1 i just added
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07:32:54DaNET23947then i gotta rename it?
07:32:54t0dk0nerr yeah
07:33:06t0dk0nwell, it wont load automatically when you load the theme file
07:33:27t0dk0nI think there's somewhere you can go in the settings to change the background
07:33:40t0dk0nscorche: do you know if you can change the backdrop from the settings?
07:33:46amiconnjhMikeS: I compared the battery discharge curves of X5 and M5L. Apart from the time scale, they look nearly identical
07:34:02t0dk0nscorche: am I still 'spamming the logs'? :P
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07:35:40DaNET23947hold on i am workin on it
07:36:05DaNET23947ok donw
07:36:17DaNET23947lemmie check my ipod
07:36:31DaNET23947how do i change the background
07:36:38DaNET23947my background is ugly
07:37:14t0dk0nI'm not quite sure... I just rely on themes pretty much
07:37:29DaNET23947wow a nice theme =P
07:37:44DaNET239471 more thing
07:37:54DaNET23947how do i make the games working
07:38:08peturbackdrop should be in .rockbox/backdrops and if you browse to that and select the backdrop, get context menu and select backdrop
07:38:51t0dk0nDaNET23947: plugins
07:38:51DaNET23947is that about the games thingy?
07:38:58DaNET23947yea its in plugins
07:39:06DaNET23947the games some r bugged
07:39:19t0dk0nDanet23947: petur was just telling you how to set a different background :P
07:39:39DaNET23947ahh i know that but thx anyway =P
07:39:40t0dk0nDanet23947: and yes, some games are buggy, because Rockbox is still a beta firmware... so that should be expected
07:39:44t0dk0nits not perfect
07:39:52DaNET23947btw doom is dead
07:39:54t0dk0nbut I think its certainly better the the original ipod firmware
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07:40:00DaNET23947i saw people on youtube with awesome doom
07:40:40t0dk0nread all of that carefully for Doom to work
07:40:51t0dk0nand don't ask for WAD files, this channel isn't the place for that :P
07:41:15DaNET23947lol ^^
07:42:08DaNET23947wats ipod linux for btw?
07:42:17t0dk0ndo you know what Linux is?
07:42:34t0dk0nwell, its that, but for the iPod :p
07:42:36DaNET23947when i open i[pod linux its bugged
07:42:51DaNET23947all the leter fles all over the place makin it unable to read
07:42:52t0dk0nhmm? you installed ipod Linux?
07:43:15t0dk0nah, did you format your ipod to a Linux file system?
07:43:28DaNET23947i did everyhintg perfectly
07:43:31t0dk0nhmm iono, you should goto the IRC channel for that though
07:43:38DaNET23947lol yea ^^
07:43:46DaNET23947what else can rockbox do?
07:44:01t0dk0nall I can say is that iPod Linux is just another firmware for iPod, based pretty much on the Linux operating system
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07:45:28DaNET23947i want to add in cool plugins like clocks
07:45:38DaNET23947how do i add them
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07:45:56t0dk0nall the plugins that exist for rockbox, are built into rockbox
07:46:03t0dk0nunless you find a patch in the developer wiki
07:46:17DaNET23947how do i do that
07:46:38scorchehonestly, i wouldnt worry about it
07:46:40t0dk0nnevermind that :p
07:46:52DaNET23947btw do u know urself?
07:47:05*t0dk0n looks into his brain...
07:47:11t0dk0nyes, yes I do, know myself?
07:47:20DaNET23947can u tell me how please
07:47:30t0dk0nthis isn't #philosophy :-p
07:48:10DaNET23947hey open my oter chat
07:48:42DaNET23947how cna i add a clock
07:48:54t0dk0nyeah... I afk now... tootles, good luck :)
07:49:48DaNET23947ok thx btw
07:50:01t0dk0nlol welcome
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08:26:51DaNET23947anyone know how do i add a clock or app in rockbox?
08:27:05DaNET23947searched for weeks but nothing
08:27:41peturif your dap has an rtc chip, the clock plugin is included
08:28:09DaNET23947sorry i am an idiot but i got no idea wat u r sayin
08:28:20DaNET23947in layman terms ...
08:28:24peturor better, if we support the clock chip inside your player,...
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08:28:47scorcheDaNET23947: point is, as has been told to you before, all the plugins that work with rockbox, are already there
08:28:48DaNET23947how do i know tht? i ahve an ipod video 60gb does it support
08:29:37peturDaNET23947: there's a wiki page that lists the possibilities (iirc)
08:30:09scorcheDaNET23947: read the manual...please
08:31:26dan333When I am in cygwin and I type n for normal build after i have done everything else I get the following message WARNING: The compiler you must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in your path!
08:31:27dan333WARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the
08:31:27dan333WARNING: checks we want now.
08:31:43dan333WARNING: checks we want now. what should I do
08:32:12LinusNdan333: install the compiler
08:32:21peturor put it in your path
08:32:28dan333how do I do that
08:32:50peturdan333: start by reading the warning/errormessage, it sometimes gives a clue
08:33:14peturhow did you get the compiler?
08:33:28dan333as that what i just sent
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08:34:05peturwas it a loud bang and it was there or did you follow some guide to build it?
08:36:05dan333I am following the instructions from and I am using the daily build sorce
08:37:03peturdid you wollow the CygwinDevelopment page completely?
08:37:12merwinwhat crypt lib do i need to build mi4code on linux?
08:37:14LinusNdan333: and you did step 3 of
08:37:49*petur checks his code for weird typos - it's one of _those_ days :/
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08:41:51dan333I followed the instructions from and did step 3 but I could of missed something if I did is there a way to install that one packthing
08:42:05dan333package thing
08:44:44LinusNdan333: this is interesting, because if it is a fresh cygwin installation, installing the compiler packages should automatically add the path
08:46:24LinusNdan333: could you check the contents of /etc/bash.bashrc ?
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08:48:48dan333what is /etc/bash
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08:52:22dan333does anyone know what I should do
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08:52:33dan333about my cygwin problem
08:52:50GodEaterdan333: LinusN already told you. If you don't understand the answer - you've got a lot of googling to do.
08:53:16bluebrotherwho is RobFrawley?
08:53:56DaNET23947does anyone know how i can put in applications in my rockbox for my ipod 5g
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08:54:45GodEaterI see the clue meter has dropped several points
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08:55:11DaNET23947does anyone know how i cam put in applications like a clock in my rockbox for my ipod 5g
08:56:36LloreanDaNET23947: Rockbox includes everything officially supported.
08:56:55bluebrotherif you are asking for "applications"
08:57:00scorcheDaNET23947: this is the third time you have been told this...stop asking and read the manual
08:57:03DaNET23947yea whoa thx bro
08:57:12DaNET23947where do i get a manual
08:57:38scorchepeople have had a bit of luck with the link that says "maunal" on the side of the rockbox site
08:58:35DaNET23947i got the manual
08:58:42DaNET23947but its just loads of pic and no info
08:58:43scorchenow read it
08:59:07scorchedo you see words?
08:59:08bluebrothergo to
08:59:12dan333or my sygwin problem were you talking about the etc folder
08:59:18bluebrotherpress Ctrl-F
08:59:21bluebrothertype "manual"
08:59:23bluebrotherpress enter
08:59:27bluebrotherand look what it finds
08:59:30GodEateramazing, people normally complain there's not enough pics
08:59:45DaNET23947ok hold on
09:00:19DaNET23947which should i get
09:00:26DaNET23947pdf?html or online?
09:00:42bluebrotherthe one for your player
09:00:54scorchepdf is the easiest to read
09:00:56DaNET23947ok i 'll choise ipod video
09:00:59bluebrotherhow do I know if you prefer to read it in pdf form or online?
09:01:00DaNET23947i did this b4 rofl
09:01:17DaNET23947i chose html lol
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09:02:29*amiconn started another runtime test which is likely to end much sooner than the m5l test with backlight :P
09:03:44GodEateramiconn: what you testing this time ?
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09:04:10blackbrotheri get this annoying error(when i read online) doesn't open
09:04:49amiconnIpod mini g2 w/ backlight
09:05:02LinusNdan333: type this on the cygwin prompt: cat /etc/bash.bashrc
09:06:53blackbrotherhey i added all the themes on my ipod butit won't display all the themes i got?
09:07:23blackbrotheris there any way it can display all or i gotta clear some?
09:07:51LinusNblackbrother: maybe some of the themes are incompatible?
09:08:42blackbrotherthats maybe , so i think i shoudl clear some (all the lousy themes are displayed whereas all the good theres i cannot see
09:09:36LinusNhow did you install them?
09:10:21blackbrotherextracted them
09:10:32blackbrotheri extarceyted them in the wrong place
09:10:41blackbrothertheres like 50 themes there lol
09:11:24blackbrotherhey ok tell me what only should be in the .rockbox follder beacuse i forgot wat should be tehre due to the tons of themes ther
09:12:44blackbrothergive me the name of the folders that r suppose to be in the .rockbox folder like fonts ....
09:13:09LinusNhang on
09:13:19scorchei was aghast of this conversation, as this didnt sound like anything even close to what bluebrother would say....then i looked at the name again...
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09:14:01blackbrotherand ...
09:14:03***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
09:14:37LinusNblackbrother: backdrops, codecs, docs, codepages, eqs, fonts, langs, rocks, themes, viewers, wps
09:15:24blackbrotheri also got some strage files like .playlist_control and other stuff (do i throw these away
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09:15:32LinusNblackbrother: leave them
09:16:29LinusNnow who is Rob Frawley?
09:16:57linuxstbLinusN: Good question :)
09:17:25linuxstbDid he come here from rent-a-mentor?
09:17:31LinusNblackbrother: that does not sound like success to me :-)
09:17:38blackbrotheri dragged and then LOST ALL MY FONTS AND EVERYTHING IN MY ROCKBOX
09:17:44blackbrotheraccidently deleted it
09:17:52blackbrotherall my work ............ =(
09:17:52LinusNblackbrother: better reinstall then
09:17:57scorcheLinusN: stripslashes or something like that...came in earlier
09:18:07blackbrotherhow do i reinstall
09:18:43scorchehe added himself as a mentor?...ugh
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09:19:44LinusNmentor: it's hard to follow the conversation if you change your nick all the time
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09:21:58LinusNblackbrother: reinstallation is simply extracting the zip's again
09:22:08blackbrotherreinstall? how?
09:22:19markunblackbrother: what kind of 'work' did you lose?
09:22:25B4gder"reinstallation is simply extracting the zip's again"
09:22:31blackbrotheri wiped the whole rockbox folder
09:22:52Lloreanscorche: He added himself to the SoC wiki page. That doesn't mean he's signed up at Google, and doesn't mean he's been accepted (I assume by project administrator there)
09:22:53markunJust unzip the from the 'current builds' download page
09:23:17blackbrotherafter extarcted then?
09:23:25scorcheLlorean: aye...i would be very surprised if it was that easy to add...but still =/
09:23:34B4gderLlorean: I am the project admin for Rockbox/soc so I am the one who will accept mentors
09:24:09B4gderthe applying mentors are meant to appear in a little web app for me
09:24:20markunblackbrother: after extracting the rockbox folder is back
09:24:20B4gder... but they have a bug that so far has prevented any mentors to appear
09:24:45blackbrotherwhats a nemtor?
09:24:58B4gderblackbrother: see the SummerOfCode wiki page
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09:25:33LloreanB4gder: I guessed it was either delayed or not working yet. :)
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09:26:21blackbrothermarkun: i see it
09:26:31dan333hould i try running setup.exe to try and fix my cygwin problem
09:26:46LinusNdan333: did you do what i told yu?
09:27:23dan333hould i try running setup.exe to try and fix my cygwin problemcan u say it again because my screenreader didn't read it out
09:28:05LinusNdan333: oh, you're blind....
09:28:32dan333yep is that a problem or something
09:28:36LinusNdan333: type this on the cygwin prompt: cat /etc/bash.bashrc
09:28:52LinusNit should print 3 lines of text
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09:32:01dan333s the command "cat /etc/bash" with out the quotes
09:33:41LinusNdan333: no, it's "cat /etc/bash.bashrc"
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09:34:34dan333with the . and "
09:34:41LinusNwithout the quites
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09:38:08dan333is it amigan"cat /etc/bash
09:38:45scorchedan333: your screenreader might be interpreting this wrong
09:38:52zecat /etc/bash dot bash are sea
09:38:57ze(dunno if that helps)
09:39:15scorchetype: cat /etc/bash dot bashrc
09:39:42scorchereplace "dot" with a period/dot
09:40:20dan333can u put a qu" at the start of the command and 1 at the end
09:40:34dan333so I can just pate it in to cygwin
09:40:58ze"cat /etc/bash.bashrc"
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09:41:35scorcheby ze's first comment, he made the last portion of the command a bit more phonetic
09:41:49dan333ok is the command cat /etc/bash.bashrc
09:42:52movezigI'm having trouble with rockbox on my 1gen Nano. When I try to initialize the database the ipod goes really slow and eventually freezes. I left it allone untill the battery ran out, but the database wouldn't be created.
09:43:04austriancoderdoes somebody can explain me, what parameter type of void audiohw_set_recvol(int left, int right, int type) stands for?
09:43:19*scorche retires to his bed
09:43:34*ze does too, by coincidence
09:43:41moveziggn8 scorche and ze
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09:45:41dan333ok is the command cat /etc/bash.bashrcthis is y i get when i run the command # base-files version 3.7-1
09:45:41dan333# WARNING
09:45:41DBUGEnqueued KICK dan333
09:45:42***Alert Mode level 1
09:45:44dan333# The latest version as installed by the Cygwin Setup program can
09:45:46dan333# always be found at /etc/defaults/etc/bash.bashrc
09:45:48dan333# System-wide .bashrc file
09:46:13dan333what should i do now
09:46:20movezigWhat was the problem?
09:46:44GodEaterdan333: is that all? There should be more to it than that.
09:47:19dan333that seems to be all I get when I go in to cyg win paste this command
09:49:05dan333do u know what I should do
09:49:07movezigI take it, nobody has any idea about my database problem?
09:49:55linuxstbaustriancoder: Look at the implementation of that function in (for example) firmware/drivers/uda1380.c
09:51:20GodEaterdan333: did you try the VMWare environment ? It requires a lot less setup than the cygwin one, and it's faster.
09:51:29austriancoderlinuxstb: thanks.. found it
09:51:35nlsmovezig: you maye have some files that crash the metadatareader, try to take all your music off the player and add it back eithe r in a "binary search" way or just little, by little to try to find the files that break it
09:52:17dan333i use a screen reader and I think cyg win is the only one that wil work with it
09:52:40nlsthen fine out what is wrong with the files and report it if they shoudl have worked or fix them :-)
09:52:49movezigthanks nls
09:53:06GodEaterdan333: that's a shame! Ok, I'm installing cygwin myself right now so I have a look at it. Give me a few minutes!
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09:54:05austriancoderlinuxstb: would be a good idea, to add some comments for each funtion to firmware/export/audio.h. So its documented well in one place
09:54:29linuxstbaustriancoder: Yes, that would seem to make sense.
09:54:29dan333k thanks can u tell me when you r ready
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09:55:28GodEaterdan333: nearly there
09:55:43***Alert Mode OFF
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09:56:23nlsmovezig: i was a bit unclear, update the database between adding more files too :-)
09:58:06GodEaterwell that's bloody useful. Using the "default" install option of cygwin leaves you with no working text editors at all
09:58:18linuxstbYou still have notepad :)
09:59:34GodEaterlinuxstb: doesn't work well with LF endings
09:59:52GodEaterlinuxstb: which, if you accept the default install, as the rockbox guide recommends, is what you get.
10:00:17linuxstbI thought I saw "nano" listed in the cygwin install guide?
10:00:46linuxstbOr are there other guides?
10:00:52GodEaterStep 2: If you are unsure about which to accept, just accept default
10:01:04linuxstbAnd the next sentence?
10:01:12linuxstb"When you are asked to select the packages to install, select the following, except for the Base, which is required:"
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10:04:05t0dk0nAnyone wanna see the parody of the Ubuntu theme I made for my ipod?
10:04:32GodEaterlinuxstb: I personally found that first instruction confusing - like you could choose to ignore the next bit. I see of course now that you can't - but perhaps the package installation part needs it's own heading.
10:05:30linuxstbGodEater: wiki wiki wiki...
10:05:57linuxstbI'm not sure what that last part of the sentence - "except for the Base" means though.
10:06:07GodEateryes, that's not clear either
10:06:09linuxstbDoes it mean to leave the Base at the defaults?
10:06:26CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:06:26*linuxstb makes his first gigabeat commit
10:06:26GodEaterI'll edit it in a second when I've finished my install and found any other possible gotchas
10:07:14markunLinusN: can you rename the SamsungSA58700 wiki page to SamsungSA58xxx or SamsungSA58 ?
10:08:45markunlinuxstb: I'm happy more and more of the rockbox devs are getting a Gigabeat
10:08:55linuxstbmarkun: I'm not sure what's going on, but for some reason, Rockbox is displaying the USB logo with a black background on my gigabeat - but the status bar still has my normal white background (iCatcher theme)...
10:09:24LinusNSamsungSA58 it is
10:09:24markunlinuxstb: yes, there is a a weird bug
10:09:47markunLinusN: thanks!
10:09:47linuxstbOK, so it's known?
10:10:07markunlinuxstb: known by me and on my todo, I should have filed a bugreport
10:10:32markunI also know party why the problem happens
10:10:42linuxstbSo is it always a black background?
10:11:20markunno, it depends on the background of the last plugin you visited
10:11:44markuncheck lcd-meg-fx.c
10:11:47MarkarianHey guys, I have a question. I'm new to Rockbox, and am switching from iTunes (except for movies) to use Rockbox for my music. I run Vista x64 and am trying to figure out how to safely use my iPod with Rockbox without corrupting the filesystem.
10:11:52linuxstbOK, that explains why I've just seen it today (testing pacbox)
10:12:05markunthere is bg_pattern_blit and gb_pattern
10:12:08blackbrotheri can't get doom
10:12:16markunI think one of them doesn't get set correctly for some reason
10:12:39markunblackbrother: what's the problem with it?
10:12:44linuxstbMarkarian: What's the problem? You just treat your ipod like any other removable USB disk.
10:13:47blackbrotherlook i put the files in then it stops there? i removed my ipod video and then doom its still bugged
10:14:44blackbrotheri got the file freedoom-iwad
10:15:20blackbrotherthats the 0.4.1 relese
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10:16:05blackbrotherit says about the thing about the add on directory ??? where is it
10:16:13dan333is there away I can check what cygwin packages I have installed
10:16:35GodEaterdan333: yes, run the setup.exe again
10:16:48GodEaterdan333: mine is still running currently - be with you as soon as it's done
10:16:50MarkarianI know, but I've heard you need to put it in Apple mode to get high-speed transfer working. And I've heard the risk is from people "Safely Ejecting Hardware" through Windows.
10:17:10markunblackbrother: did you "install rockdoom.wad" ?
10:17:21blackbrotherwhats that?
10:17:39blackbrotheri got that file
10:17:39markunI read it from the wiki page you linked to
10:17:51markunand where did you put it?
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10:18:17blackbrothermy ipod
10:18:43markunok, I think you need to store you other wad file there as well
10:18:48markunworks fine for me at least
10:19:00linuxstbMarkarian: The risk is form people NOT "Safely Ejecting Hardware" through Windows. And yes, most people seem to report that USB transfers are faster when running the fuill Apple firmware, compared to the emergency disk mode that Rockbox reboots into. Personally, I have no problems with the emergency mode on my 5g.
10:19:03blackbrotherstore it where
10:19:26markunin the same dir
10:19:41blackbrothermarkun: i stored the wad file only in my ipod\.rockbox\doom\ directory
10:19:54blackbrotherwhere else do i store it?
10:20:00markunwell, if that doesn't work then I don't know what's wrong
10:20:58blackbrotherthey say soemthing about an addon file
10:21:13markunyes, I see that in the wiki page
10:21:20blackbrotherA free alternative for Doom 2 is Freedoom. This can be used in place of doom2.wad or it may be used as an addon in doom by placing it in the addons directory.
10:21:21markunwhat about it?
10:21:42blackbrotherok i'll restart my ipod and try itt now
10:22:07blackbrotherhey thx ^^
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10:22:20markunyou're welcome, I hope it works
10:22:53blackbrothermissing base wad
10:23:05blackbrotherand plugin returned and error
10:23:35blackbrotherwhat does that mean?
10:23:58markunusually that it didn't find rockdoom.wad
10:24:02GodEaterdan333: you still here ?
10:24:29blackbrotherso what do i do now?
10:24:31markunblackbrother: but you put rockdoom.wad in .rockbox/doom as well, right?
10:24:53blackbrotherthats the only place i put
10:25:07markunso you have 2 .wad files there?
10:25:24blackbrotherno just 1
10:25:28blackbrother1 wad file
10:25:33markunwell, you need 2
10:25:40blackbrotherwhere do i get the other?
10:25:58markundo which one do you have?
10:26:04markunso which one do you have?
10:26:11blackbrotheri am using the 0.4.1 now
10:26:17markunwhich wad file
10:26:19blackbrothernow i am downlaoding the latest 1 0.5
10:26:31markunplease tell me the name of the file
10:26:32blackbrotherlets just say 0.5
10:26:46blackbrotherfreedom iwad0.5
10:26:59Lloreanblackbrother: The official Rockbox doom extras file includes freedoom.
10:27:13markun'10:17 < markun> blackbrother: did you "install rockdoom.wad" ?'
10:27:29blackbrotherinstall? i just dump in the file?
10:27:30markun'10:17 < blackbrother> i got that file'
10:27:33blackbrotherinto the folder
10:27:55blackbrotherwhat do u mean by instal?
10:28:05blackbrotherjust paste the file ?
10:28:32markunyou tell me you only have 1 wad file, I ask you the name of the file but you refuse to tell me.
10:28:43blackbrotherthe name of the file is
10:28:44markunis it rockdoom.wad or not?
10:28:51nlslinuxstb: I have heard of some vista "safely remove thingy"+itunes bug that would corrupt the filesystem on the ipod unless you ejected the ipod inside itunes, i think he was reffering to that...
10:29:30nlsblackbrother: then you need either freedom.wad or one of the original doom wads
10:29:33barrywardelllinuxstb: there's still a problem compiling sansapatcher on mac. same off_t and lseek problem. is the #if on sansaio.h:34 right?
10:29:55blackbrothernls: wats that suppose to mean original doom wads???
10:30:19nlswads from the doom game.
10:30:33blackbrothernls: i got 1 wad
10:31:09nlsblackbrother: did you get the feedoom wad?
10:31:36blackbrotherohhhhhhhhh i think i got it now
10:31:52nlsand did you put it in /.rockbox/doom?
10:31:53blackbrotheri need the freedom wad and the rockdoom in the doom folder right?
10:32:05blackbrotherbecause i only got the freedom in lol
10:32:11Lloreannls: The extras file for doom contains a freedoom wad, rockdoom wad, and the appropriate directory structure already...
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10:32:19nlsLlorean: oh
10:32:32blackbrotherwow great thx nls and markun
10:33:03blackbrothergonna test in 5 minutes
10:33:14blackbrothereye hurts like hell
10:33:29nlsLlorean: next mission for domonoky and rbutil, automated freedoom install ;-)
10:33:52*bluebrother just notices a dark incarnation of his name
10:34:03nlsyeah, kinda confusing
10:34:31nlsok, anyone with an archos here, that want to test a patch?
10:34:36bluebrothermarking registered users is a nice thing ...
10:34:36blackbrotherhey so we cana't add any extra software in rockbox am i right since its ll built in?
10:35:05blackbrotherahh now i understnad brother
10:35:15linuxstbbarrywardell: No, that #if is complete nonsense :)
10:35:29bluebrotherthe binary stuff is shipped, but some plugins require additional gamedata you need to own
10:35:33blackbrotherbtw i see a guy in you tube have tons of different clock modes? how do we do it
10:35:38bluebrotherlike gameboy roms
10:35:48bluebrotherdifferent clock modes?
10:35:53blackbrotheryea he got atomic clock
10:35:56blackbrotherananlog clock
10:36:03blackbrotherditigtal clock
10:36:04bluebrotherah, the clock plugin?
10:36:07markunbluebrother: I will update the doom wiki page as you are not the only one having so much trouble with it
10:36:16markunthat was for blackbrother :)
10:36:19blackbrotheru r an admin?
10:36:25bluebrotherpress the right button or use the menu ;-)
10:36:52blackbrothermarkun give me the link later because i forgot it
10:37:06bluebrotherdon't know which button is the right one off of my head. Just try.
10:37:17linuxstbbarrywardell: Fix committed.
10:37:20bluebrotherit's about fun, so just play around with it a bit. It won't bite.
10:37:28bluebrotherthe worst case is crashing your player.
10:37:50linuxstbbarrywardell: Llorean has just tested sansapatcher for me - the full install/uninstall cycle is working fine, so it looks like the OF mi4 image that it creates is fine - i.e. readable by the original bootloader after the uninstall.
10:38:01blackbrotherabout the clock modes how do i get it bluebrother?
10:38:08barrywardelllinuxstb: yes. it's working for me now too
10:38:24linuxstbHow's the bootloader looking?
10:38:39barrywardellalmost done
10:38:39movezigCould it be that rockbox can't handle UTF-8 in mp3 tags?
10:38:54barrywardelli know i said that last night too, but it really is this time!
10:39:13linuxstbmovezig: I may be wrong, but I think you need to tell Rockbox to use utf8 - in the "codepage" setting.
10:39:23movezigOk, tthanks
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10:42:51blackbrotherwhahahahaah i got doom working
10:42:58blackbrotherbut how do i move back?
10:43:32nlsmovezig: look for the default codepage setting, but having that set wrong shouldn't crash anyway...
10:45:16nlsFS #6159 needs testingn on archoses, I do really think it should go in soon
10:46:19movezigOk, that worked. Thanks.
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10:46:55pondlifenls: Is Archos testing the only thing holding that up?
10:47:12pondlifeI'd like to see it committed too.
10:47:44nlspondlife: it works fine for me and no-one has reported any other problems, so I guess so :-)
10:47:53GodEatermarkun: is star on the gigabeat still broken ?
10:47:54LinusNnls: is it even possible to test it on archos, since the voice file is so big :-)
10:47:58pixelmanls: think I cannot test it somehow... because a usual recent voice file just fits so...
10:48:07markunGodEater: I didn't fix it
10:48:32nlsLinusN: , pixelma shouldn't it be possible with lower quality/higher compression?
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10:49:02pixelmanls: also splashes couldn't be voiced when music is playing...
10:50:06nlspixelma: for archoses?
10:50:36pondlifeAs long as it doesn't interfere with playback in this case...
10:50:40pixelmayes for hwcodec: you only have one MAS
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10:53:39nlsLinusN: the lang cleanup will exclude over 50 voice entries for hwcodec, so if this patch makes the voice files not fit, they should fit again once the cleanup is comitted, is it ok to break it for a while?
10:53:57pondlifeWhy not do the cleanup first?
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10:54:11pixelmaI would prefer that too
10:54:16LinusNme too
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10:54:46nlspondlife: because the cleanup depends on a lang build system bug that is apparently not easily fixed, but sure I can wait :-)
10:54:48pixelmapondlife: for the record - I believe you even got further than me with the tex4ht install... it still doesn't even find htlatex here :/ (don't know where I went wrong)
10:55:00dan333hey should I run setup.exe and just reinstall all the packages to try and fix my cygwin problem
10:55:13preglowblind and a programmer, sounds like someone with quite a brain
10:55:26pondlifepixelma: I had to rename htlatex.bat to htlatex IIRC
10:55:34pondlifeNot that it helped :(
10:55:41nlsI'll just mark this as depending on the cleanup and we'll have a nice dependency tree :-D
10:55:47pondlifeSomething like that anyway
10:56:32pondlifenls: (or anyone) Can you give me more details on this "lang build system bug"...?
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10:56:47preglowhow does an archos behave with a 1.5 meg voice file anyway?
10:56:52preglowi mean, 500kb for buffer?
10:56:56nlspondlife: FS #6652
10:57:02pixelmanls: what would happen with the recent patch (on Archos) if it tries to voice a splash during playback? Is it checked?
10:57:26pixelmapreglow: you either have a voice file in the buffer - or playback
10:57:50amiconnpreglow: Hwcodec can't do voice and playback at the same time anyway
10:57:55preglowamiconn: right
10:58:05nlspixelma: afaict it hasn't been tested on archos at all
10:58:11preglowso if you stop playback and enter some menus, there's a lag while the voice file is loaded?
10:58:16amiconnpixelma: Nothing. The voice code just returns when music is playing
10:59:04*preglow hugs swcodec
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10:59:21pixelmapreglow: the actual available is quite below 2MB at the moment (for example 1,39MB on my backlight modded Ondio)
10:59:37pixelmabut I never noticed a lag... ;)
10:59:56nlspixelma: the ondio has no disk to spin up
10:59:58blackbrotherhow do i play movies in an ipod video using rockbox?
11:00:08amiconnpreglow: Most of the time there is no extra delay, because stopping playback spins up the disk, and when it drops to the menu the disk is still spinning
11:00:18pixelmanls: that's why the ;) ... :P
11:00:24linuxstbblackbrother: Just select them in the file browser - see this page
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11:00:48amiconnOn Ondio there used to be a delay because of the slow disk access, but that's worked around by loading the clips on demand
11:01:05linuxstbblackbrother: But note that on the ipod video, you'll get much better results for video playback with Apple's firmware, not Rockbox.
11:01:24blackbrotherlol but to sync it takes almost 2 hours for me
11:02:03amiconnCompatibility to loading the whole voice file at once is retained: It loads the header, and then loads each single clip when it's used for the first time, to the position in memory where it belongs
11:03:02blackbrotherso u tellin me to play videos thru the normal way?
11:03:46blackbrotheris the refresh rate slower if we play thru rockbox?
11:03:56LinusNmuch slower
11:04:03linuxstbDid you read the page I linked to? That explains it.
11:04:04blackbrotherahh ok then
11:04:10blackbrothernot yet =)
11:04:18blackbrotherthat summarises 10 pages ^^
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11:05:13blackbrotherwow 10fps rofl
11:05:19blackbrotherthats really lagin
11:05:48linuxstbThat's because it's just using the main CPU, not the dedicated video decoding chip that the Apple firmware uses.
11:07:19CtcpIgnored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
11:07:19*barrywardell loads an OF mi4 patched by sansapatcher :)
11:07:34linuxstbHurray :) From the firmware partition?
11:08:01blackbrotherluckily bluyebrother cisn't here to see this
11:09:21linuxstbbarrywardell: Is the CRC checking OK now?
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11:09:33barrywardellyes, that was the last problem I had to solve
11:09:50barrywardellit also loads /System/OF.mi4 as a backup
11:10:00barrywardellthen /System/OF.bin and a second backup
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11:11:14barrywardellIs there any way in Rockbox to check the number of partitions on a disk?
11:11:23linuxstbbarrywardell: This may be useful -
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11:11:50bluebrotherbarrywardell: the debug menu can display it
11:11:54linuxstbbarrywardell: You can read the partition table info, and count how many valid entries there are.
11:12:04dan333what applications can I use to add patches
11:12:10bluebrotherdan333: patch
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11:12:18linuxstbbarrywardell: What do you need to check?
11:12:20bluebrotherit's a command line tool
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11:12:50bluebrotherlinuxstd: please stop changing nicks all the time
11:13:00barrywardelli want to check for the hidden partition. right now I'm doing it by checking the type of the second partition
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11:13:34linuxstbI'm not sure you even need to do that - if there isn't a second partition, the bootloader won't be started anyway.
11:14:02bluebrothermost of us here are doing other things the same time so it is quite confusing
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11:14:15bluebrotherand disturbs the development process somewhat ;-)
11:14:29barrywardelllinuxstb: there isn't a second partition on H10...
11:14:42barrywardellor possibly on e200r
11:15:00dan333was someone going to help me with my cygwin problem?
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11:15:33iwantanimacdan333: cygwin never worked for me. get the VMWare image. heaps easier.
11:15:53dan333I use a screenreader and only cygwin works I think
11:15:55blackbrotherwats cygin?
11:16:43iwantanimaca set of unix binaries ported to windows... sorta
11:17:35blackbrotherwats it used for?
11:17:42blackbrotherin rockbox?
11:17:46bluebrotheryou can e.g. use it for building rockbox
11:18:07blackbrotheranyone using ipod linux?
11:18:20blackbrothermy ipodlinux is i think u can call it messed up
11:18:37bluebrotheripl refused to install on my ipod yesterday
11:18:43*iwantanimac points out the channel you're on.
11:19:11blackbrotherlol but i got it installed =P
11:19:26blackbrotherwat ipod u usin?
11:19:41bluebrothermini 2G
11:19:42iwantanimacshuffle *giggles*
11:19:57blackbrotherhmm i got the tutorial for a 5g
11:20:01blackbrotherreally useful
11:20:04blackbrotherwant it?
11:20:18blackbrother^^ aight
11:20:32iwantanimaci'm sure the manual is simple enough to follow. if my friend chris could install Rockbox on his 5g
11:20:40iwantanimacthen anyone could... seriously.
11:21:01bluebrotherThe manual is. I know for sure :P
11:21:04nlsiwantanimac: you must be underestimating your friend the ;-)
11:21:27iwantanimacwell kinda =P
11:21:48bluebrotheranyone swapped the battery in the mini 2G? Is it the same as the mini 1G?
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11:22:01movezignls: Thanks for the help. Adding all Albums one by one worked perfectly. Now I'll never know what happened. But that's Ok :)
11:22:10amiconn"Fork the code between HWCODEC and SWCODEC to optimise the two development strands" <= who added this weird idea??
11:22:24nlsmovezig: heh, ok, that works... :-)
11:22:28amiconnI think code should be unified rather than forked
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11:23:25amiconnThere already is a target which pretty much requires it - the AV3xx
11:23:30blackbrotherhey anyone changed a 5g ipod battery?? is it even possible?
11:23:36nlsamiconn: it seems like EddyCorman added that, latest rev
11:23:38amiconn(if that port ever takes up speed - linuxstb??)
11:24:06*linuxstb_ replaces LinusN under the rockbox rock
11:24:37LinusNi think SoC project suggestions should be at least sanctioned by the core dev community before entering that list
11:24:42preglowLinusN: me too
11:24:48*bluebrother hates websites being to unspecific
11:24:52preglowthe forking thing sounds stupid
11:24:53*amiconn reminds everyone that there is another virtually dead port - the tatung elio
11:24:55preglowand should be removed
11:25:03dan333If i installed vmware image and I could find a screanreader would it work with vmware image
11:25:15dan333a linux screenreader
11:25:30bluebrotherdan333: I don't know, but you could connect to the vmware using ssh.
11:25:46pixelmaEddyCorman also revived the idea of the "CompiledSkinProposal" - I thought that was already abandoned
11:25:53bluebrotherI'm pretty sure there is a ssh client for windows out there that works nicely with screenreaders
11:26:08linuxstb_amiconn: As I've got no immediate intentions of working on the Elio, you think it should be removed?
11:26:32dan333what's ssh.
11:26:47linuxstb_amiconn: I'm happy to do that, and then perhaps post it to flyspray instead.
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11:26:56preglowlinuxstb_: has any non-trivial code been done for it at all?
11:27:32LinusNdan333: secure shell, a way to log in to a remote computer over an encrypted channel
11:28:35dan333is it hard to setup
11:28:49linuxstb_preglow: I can't remember anything significant. Although it does have one use - the bootloader build can be used as a "generic" portalplayer build which is useful for experimenting on new portalplayer targets.
11:29:14nlsLinusN: couldn't you set some sort of edit restrictions on the SoC page and tell people to come here with their ideas?
11:29:24LinusNgood idea
11:29:32linuxstb_i.e. the bootloader should run on any PP5020/1/2 target - there's no LCD or button code.
11:29:44bluebrotherdan333: not at all. The server is running in the vmware, and the client is simply to run a program
11:29:52bluebrotherputty is a widely used one
11:30:17preglowlinuxstb_: no lcd or button code? what use does it have then?
11:30:28linuxstb_disk reading and writing...
11:30:34preglowgood point
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11:31:37linuxstb_The port is really just lacking an LCD driver. I can read most of the buttons (it has hundreds...) via GPIO, and it's a wolfson codec, so sound should be straightforward.
11:32:18*linuxstb_ should really dig into a disassembly and get the LCD working.
11:32:36barrywardellis it a colour lcd?
11:32:42dan333if I re run setup.exe and select every package will everything work
11:32:47linuxstb_Yes - 220x176.
11:33:04barrywardellit should be the same interface as the other pp colour lcds then
11:33:15barrywardellso half the work is done already!
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11:33:28linuxstb_I'm pretty sure I tried variations on all the existing drivers, although I can't recall what stage the Sansa port was in at the time.
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11:33:59amiconnlinuxstb_: Do you have access to the unencrypted of?
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11:34:01linuxstb_And searching the bootloader, I couldn't find references to any of the usual LCD register addresses.
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11:34:17linuxstb_amiconn: Yes - it's an mi4 firmware. Plus an unencrypted bootloader.
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11:34:25preglowwhat happened...
11:35:24preglowi even got disconnected
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11:36:04preglowwho is rob frowley?
11:36:16LinusNi wish i knew
11:36:21bluebrotherI asked that before. Seems nobody knows
11:36:25linuxstb_I think he's sslashes
11:36:43linuxstb_(he requested wiki write access early this morning)
11:36:48LinusNdoesn't sound like "very much involved" if nobody knows him
11:37:04preglowindeed not
11:37:18linuxstb_Do we have (or want?) a list of SVN committers?
11:37:18peturI thought mentors needed to have commit access too?
11:37:20preglowsomeone should just gut out all the surplus stuff and write protect it in some way
11:37:38preglowpetur: they need to have commit access and should definitely have had it for some time
11:38:15linuxstb_Is there some mechanism for preventing anyone registering as a mentor with google? e.g. approval by the person who submitted the application?
11:38:21*linuxstb_ looks at Bagder
11:38:47LinusNanyone can apply, but bagder approves them
11:38:56linuxstb_OK, good.
11:40:40preglowand some of the projects on the page really aren't big enough
11:40:49nlsRe: SoC projects, is it possible to add c++ stuff to rockbox without rewriting to c?
11:40:53preglowlike album art
11:41:08LinusNnls: no, not really
11:41:09preglowcombine it with metadata on buffer, and you might have something
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11:41:24*amiconn was too slow
11:41:25Lloreanpreglow: Considering Album Art is technically done
11:41:32preglownls: you pretty much need to wrap the c++ in c
11:41:38preglownls: and disable stuff like exceptions and rtti
11:41:46LinusNand dynamic memory
11:41:51preglowyeah, that too
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11:42:02preglowbut that can be done pretty simply by overloading new/delete and using our own malloc
11:42:12nlspreglow, LinusN: eSpeak is c++ and if we want that included in rockbox it seems like a pretty major undertaking
11:42:22preglownls: i've heard that uses few major c++ features
11:42:49preglowbut for a core feature, it'll have to be rewritten
11:42:49nlswow, espeak does swedish :-)
11:43:13nlspreglow: so wrapping is ok for a plugin for example?
11:44:06PaulJamSlasheri: are you there?
11:44:07LinusNnls: however, espeak sounds so awful that you sometimes don't hear what language it is anyway :-)
11:44:31nlsahaha :-)
11:44:47peturI thought you were going to say it sounds so awful that it sounds like Swedish
11:44:51*petur ducks
11:44:53preglownls: i'd say so, yes, but we'd start building c++ compilers as well, then
11:44:54LinusNbork! bork!
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11:45:09preglownls: like our c, it also needs to not depend on any standard lib
11:45:31preglowthough i guess stl is ok, since it's purely templates
11:45:41LinusNlet's not go there
11:45:42nlspreglow: but if we only had c++ in plugins we could make a special make target for them :-)
11:45:43preglowall iostream needs to be ported away, obviously
11:46:11dan333so did anyone answer my question I want to know if I reinstall cygwin and select every package will it be fine and work
11:46:31preglowlucky for you, c++ has almost no non-c standard library that isn't in templates :>
11:46:50LinusNdan333: well, if the first installation didn't work, i don't see how the next attempt would work better
11:47:25linuxstb_nls: Maybe setting up an environment for writing plugins in C++ could be a SoC project.
11:47:31dan333maybe I left out a package
11:47:38preglowlinuxstb_: not a very big one, though
11:47:39LinusNdan333: possibly
11:47:53preglowsounds like a one-week project to me, tops
11:48:03LinusNdan333: type this: ls /opt/m68k
11:48:29LinusNpreglow: and a quite unwanted one too
11:48:47nlslinuxstb_: I suggested a scummVM port as a SoC project, and that is c++ so a c++ plugin environment comes as a bonus on that one :-)
11:49:13LinusNin my view, c++ is not a bonus
11:49:15preglowLinusN: if it works, i don't see why it should be unwanted
11:49:25preglowdisregarding your irration c++ phobia, that is :>
11:49:26*aliask just found out audio works fine in the rockbox sim under ubuntu. I think I just found a new media player.
11:49:40*preglow has coffee
11:49:59LinusNi rest my case
11:50:38nlsLinusN: if we require that all the code for something in c++ is rewritten to c it will be hard to sync it when that project changes, but you do of course have veto...
11:50:57blackbrotherhey how do i install mame
11:51:03preglowif we can have a clean c++ plugins framework, i see no reason it shouldn't be wanted
11:51:09preglowas far core, though, c is the way to go
11:51:22*amiconn would prefer to stay away from c++ as well
11:51:23aliaskblackbrother: Wrong place to ask - I don't think many people here would know.
11:51:39preglowamiconn: then don't work on the c++ plugins
11:51:42blackbrotherits part of rockbox right?
11:51:53LinusNblackbrother: no
11:52:04austriancoderthe core should be in c, but the applications on top (plugins) could be in c++
11:52:05dan333is the command eggyls /opt/m68k Eimann
11:52:25blackbrothersorry i don't understnad wat u guys r sayin
11:52:42LinusNblackbrother: rockbox does not run mame
11:52:54blackbrotheri do see pacman tho =P
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11:53:10austriancoderat the moment i am working at a company build measurement instruments and they also have a core in c and the apps using it are in c++
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11:55:07markunLinusN: don't be so hard on espeak :)
11:55:35preglowaustriancoder: sure, i don't see a problem for it, if someone makes it work: good, great, we now have more code we can use
11:55:36markunI made a little change to the dutch pronounciation of the 'r' which made a huge difference
11:55:48markunI think it would probably help with swedish as well
11:55:49preglowi'd say the bloody same thing for java or python plugins
11:56:06LinusNif anyone succeeds in making c++ work for all platforms, i will listen
11:56:08markun(and german and french)
11:56:21preglowLinusN: why would it be hard to make it work for all platforms?
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11:56:37limpbizkit70where is the virtual keyboard???
11:56:41preglowand imagine the high scores we can have when we start getting gcc's template error messages! :P
11:56:56LinusNbecause you must have runtime libraries and be able to build the c++ compiler
11:57:21Lloreanlimpbizkit70: It shows up in the screens where you need it, for the most part
11:57:32preglowwell, i welcome sometone to try
11:57:35markunI'd prefer to just port espeak to C
11:57:36LinusNme too
11:57:40preglowi sincerely doubt it'll use it, though
11:57:47preglowsince i don't port much code
11:57:50LinusNwithout the "new" operator :-)
11:58:14markunlimpbizkit70: save a file for example
11:58:26limpbizkit70hmm i really don';t get u guys
11:58:52LinusNactually, the plugins could have their own private memory pool
11:59:10LinusNlimpbizkit70: ?
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11:59:23blackbrotherwats that mean
11:59:27preglowLinusN: i was thinking more along the lines of just always letting c++ plugins have the mp3 buffer :>
11:59:59markunblackbrother: ah, it was you again :)
12:00:04markunfigures :)
12:00:08LinusNpreglow: well, that wouldn't help espeak much, would it?
12:00:15james_75Hey does anyone know if there is a way to use the alarm with out sighted asisstents on the ipod nano?
12:00:37blackbrotheripod linux irc is so dead nobody is answerin lol
12:00:44LinusNjames_75: no speech in the alarm setting screen?
12:00:52amiconnpreglow: Problem is, most plugin authors only have one (or a few) targets. In order to make them cross platform, other devs need to adapt them
12:00:58markunblackbrother: so, what do you want to do with the virtual keyboard?
12:01:09blackbrothermarkun: type stuff
12:01:32james_75When I go in to it it does not have nay speech at all
12:01:52markunblackbrother: you want to type a text?
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12:02:15LinusNamiconn, preglow: and in my experience, people who feel they need to program in C++ generally have no clue the limitations of embedded programming
12:02:19markunwell, you need an editor, not just a keyboard for that
12:02:26preglowLinusN: espeak will be core anyway, i presume
12:02:31preglowLinusN: so needs to be translated to c
12:02:51LinusNpreglow: possibly
12:02:51markunhaving espeak as a plugin would be a nice start
12:02:55pixelmamarkun: btw. the swedish 'r' sounds quite different from the german 'r' - don't know how it compares to the others
12:03:08preglowLinusN: i see this more as a way to be able to port c++ stuff at all
12:03:19blackbrothermarkun: so how do i get it?
12:03:34preglowLinusN: rewriting a big project like scummvm (which uses several nasty c++ features) will never happen
12:03:46dan333should I just try rerunning setup.exe
12:03:58dan333to fix my cygwin
12:04:02LinusNpreglow: true
12:04:10PaulJamblackbrother: there is a plugin called text_editor
12:04:13markunblackbrother: I see a plugin called "text_editor" but I've never tried it
12:04:18iwantanimacdan333: what's the problem?
12:04:19preglowpeople want to write c++ because that's what they use, and yes, very few people have any idea what limitations you're facing when doing embedded stuff
12:04:31blackbrothermarkun: so where can i get it
12:04:42markunblackbrother: in the "plugins" section
12:04:48preglowthey should of course be told to use c for new stuff
12:04:50markunshould be easy to find
12:04:56LinusNpreglow: absolutely
12:04:58preglowanyway, i have a feeling this won't materialise anyway :>
12:05:08LinusNpreglow: i share that feeling
12:05:37LinusNpreglow: i think it goes in the line of my wma golden quote
12:06:09blackbrothermarkun: ok i'll look for it
12:06:11preglowdepends, you can want to port scummvm and still have a clue
12:06:21preglowbut something along those lines, yes
12:06:23blackbrotheris there a calculator too?
12:06:35nlsblackbrother: check the manual
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12:07:35blackbrotherwhere is text_editor?
12:07:36LinusNblackbrother: are you sighted?
12:07:37markunblackbrother: it's better to ask questions after you've looked and still didn't find anything
12:07:53blackbrotheri loked and still didn't find
12:08:04Lloreanblackbrother: It's highly recommended you read the manual.
12:08:05blackbrotheram in the plugin index
12:08:13markunblackbrother: it's under 't'
12:08:23linuxstb_It isn't a viewer?
12:08:25dan333hat happens if u go in the alarm thing
12:08:30LinusNand "calculator" is under "c"
12:08:38markunlinuxstb_: is it?
12:08:44linuxstb_markun: I don't know...
12:08:49nlslinuxstb_: it's in the list
12:08:58markunfor me too
12:09:02linuxstb_Ah, so it's probably both a viewer and a plugin - to allow new files to be created.
12:09:17*linuxstb_ keeps quiet
12:09:53dan333if I didn't install some of the cygwin packages would I be getting errors when selecting normal build
12:10:00blackbrotherwhcih 1 is it?
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12:10:21LinusNdan333: it depends, but generally no
12:10:26markunblackbrother: ah, you were looking for the source code?
12:10:30iwantanimacdan333: possibly
12:10:32markunbe more specific next time
12:10:48markunwe thought you just wanted to run it in rockbox
12:10:54blackbrotheri do
12:11:11markunyou don't need to download it
12:11:11*nls tears his hair out
12:11:14blackbrotherbut my search went intot the sorce code area
12:11:24markunblackbrother: it's included in the rockbox install
12:11:29markunjust run it
12:11:36blackbrotherunder plugins?
12:11:37LinusNblackbrother: listen carefully: if the plugin works for your target, it will be included in the installation ZIP file
12:11:43dan333s there ever gonna speech for the text editer
12:11:51markundan333: why not?
12:12:01markunwhen espeak is ported..
12:12:32blackbrotherwats up with my ipod it has a battery sign and an exclaimation mark
12:12:49LinusNblackbrother: low battery?
12:12:58bluebrotherblackbrother: please read the manual
12:13:16blackbrotherok blue brother
12:13:19dan333also someone said something about tts in rockbox is that right
12:13:20barrywardellmy arm asm isn't great. can anyone help me with how to use this with Rockbox:
12:14:08markundan333: that's what I was talking about. espeak is a tts program
12:15:14dan333has any work being done on this and how long do u think it would take
12:15:42linuxstb_barrywardell: Is the current CRC checking noticably slow?
12:16:02markundan333: 1) not really 2) depends on a lot of things
12:16:31markunuse /quit
12:16:31linuxstb_barrywardell: Also, going back to your partition table question, can't you just surround the reading of the OF from the second partiion by #ifdef SANSA_E200 ?
12:16:31dan333got to go
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12:16:53barrywardellnot when loading rockbox, but it is maybe 0.5-1 second for the OF
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12:17:37iwantanimactwo people in less'n a minute - both using the same client. yeesh.
12:18:03markunwho are these freedomchat guys..
12:18:04barrywardellwell, that's reading the firmware and doing the crc...
12:18:45linuxstb_You could test by disabling the CRC check - maybe the C implementation is fast enough...
12:19:53linuxstb_Also, is the CPU boosted in the bootloader?
12:21:00barrywardellno, no boosting in the bootloader, I could add that
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12:22:53brownie17hi. can i get a hand? i recently installed rockbox on my 30gb ipod video, and atm the whole thing is frozen. just wanna know how i can turn it off so i can fix it
12:23:19bluebrotherpress and hold Menu + select
12:23:27bluebrotherat least for a couple of seconds.
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12:25:06brownie17yeah thanks i had actually tried that earlier, but it worked this time
12:25:48bluebrotheryou need to hold it for quite a while, and it seems to be a different time sometimes
12:26:00GodEaterI've had to hold it for 45 seconds sometimes
12:26:06brownie17oh okay
12:26:08brownie17thanks though
12:26:14brownie17i was getting a little worried
12:26:34brownie17i have another question, not that i really care, and i guess you probably don't even know, but does installed rockbox void an apple warranty?
12:26:40linuxstb_There's never a need to worry - ipods are resilient beasts.
12:26:52GodEaterbrownie17: it might do if you sent it back to them with it still installed
12:27:00GodEaterbrownie17: but it's pretty easy to get rid of it too
12:27:04markunLinusN, preglow: hm, the memory consumption is a lot more than I expected:
12:27:21brownie17GodEater, good point, alright. good night lads, music is pumping away again
12:27:22markunbut maybe we can bring it down a lot
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12:27:46linuxstb_markun: 1MB isn't too bad though.
12:28:32markunlinuxstb_: and a ARM(9?) at '28 MHz' sounds quite ok
12:28:52markunand I'm sure he didn't try very hard to optimize it for speed if it runs fine on a 200MHz machine
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12:31:56linuxstb_One implementation idea - we could create a special plugin buffer (e.g. 1MB) at the end of RAM (but before the codec and plugin buffers). The espeak plugin would be loaded there if enabled by the user (and hence available at all times), otherwise the space would be used in the audio buffer as it is currently.
12:34:15markunlinuxstb_: maybe an idea to create a wiki for TTS/espeak ideas?
12:34:21dukeman down?
12:34:35barrywardelllinuxstb_: the crc32 takes 2,137,076usec both with and without boosting
12:38:00linuxstb_barrywardell: That sounds like an odd result...
12:38:25barrywardellwell, give or take a couple of usecs
12:38:25Nico_Plinuxstb_: that's a bit like what i was thinking about for album art before MoB
12:38:51austriancoderdukeman: no
12:39:12dukemanno, now it works
12:39:23dukemanCouldn't reach it at all 10 minutes ago
12:39:45Nico_Plinuxstb_: there's a filebufend pointer that could be moved
12:40:02barrywardelllinuxstb_: it's not odd if the sansa is already running at the max frequency. or if frequency scaling isn't working right on the sansa
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12:41:48blackbrotheri guess this is it
12:41:53blackbrotherthx for everything
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12:45:12linuxstb_barrywardell: Going back to incorporating that ARM asm version, I think you'll need to look in the Linux kernel source for the other files - e.g. the crctab that it needs. Apart from that, you can probably just add it to bootloader/SOURCES, and define the prototype somewhere as defined in the comment in the .S file.
12:46:03linuxstb_But maybe leave that as future work?
12:46:21barrywardellyeah, i'll leave that so someone with more knowledge of ARM asm
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12:47:15brun0_what prevents rockbox to run on ipod nano v2 ?
12:47:24preglowwhere do we need to crc?
12:47:29linuxstb_barrywardell: But apart from that, is it looking good? Any bugs remaining?
12:47:34preglowbrun0_: the total and complete lack of documentation on the hardware
12:47:47linuxstb_preglow: In the Sansa bootloader to check the CRC of the original firmware.
12:47:47barrywardellyes, no bugs I can find. I'll post a patch in a second
12:47:49preglowbrun0_: plus the fact that apple has encrypted absolutely everything, keeping us from finding the info on our own
12:48:05brun0_the first gen wasn't encrypted ?
12:48:10preglowbrun0_: no
12:48:14linuxstb_brun0_: The 2nd gen Nano is completely different hardware to earlier ipods...
12:48:31brun0_so it's really and apple decision against rockbox/ipodlinux ?
12:48:44preglowi think it's more apple figting against hardware pirates
12:48:50preglowbut we're hit as a consequence
12:49:01barrywardellok. who wants to test this on sansa/h10:
12:49:01preglowbut no one knows for sure
12:49:36barrywardelli've tested on my own sansa and H10, but may have missed something
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12:53:55markunlinuxstb_: the list of players is becoming quite big for these platforms:
12:53:58brun0_how do you do to develop rockbox for a new hardware ?
12:54:02brun0_step by step ?
12:54:29daurnimatorare there any targets with SD slots?
12:54:50Lloreandaurnimator: MicroSD on the Sansa, and MMC on the Ondio, are the closest.
12:55:00daurnimatordamn :P
12:55:10daurnimatorany possible targets with one
12:55:25LloreanWhy is it important that it be SD specifically?
12:55:34markundaurnimator: Nintendo DS?
12:55:40daurnimatorspecifically, SDIO
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12:59:54markundaurnimator: would be a lot easier than USB, right?
13:00:10daurnimatorshould be
13:00:20daurnimatoralso less bulky
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13:02:28linuxstbdaurnimator: The Tatung Elio has a SD slot... :)
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13:04:42daurnimatorreckon MicroSD in sansa is SDIO?
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13:04:59barrywardelllinuxstb_: I think sansapatcher should write the rb model and type strings to the mi4 header of the relocated OF
13:05:24markundaurnimator: do you need special hardware for it?
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13:05:37daurnimatornot sure
13:05:42markunI thought it would just be memory mapped IO
13:07:00daurnimatorwouldn't this be fun on a sansa?:
13:07:06markundaurnimator: looks like it will not always work no:
13:08:40daurnimatorit usually just needs some obscure drivers on a portable platform
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13:13:18linuxstbbarrywardell (for the logs): That would be easy to add, but why do you want it there? It's not a Rockbox file.
13:13:51linuxstbbarrywardell: That OF should never leave the firmware partition, so I'm not sure why it would be useful.
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13:19:06amiconn188mA avg. current. Quite a lot compared to the normal runcurrent of our targets
13:19:10*GodEater attempts to install wxGTK-2.8.2 onto Gentoo with a self-hacked ebuild
13:19:39markunamiconn: with the M5L and the backlight on?
13:20:29amiconnNo, the MicroSD wifi card daurnimator linked to
13:21:37daurnimatorisn't it standard SD?
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13:23:47*pixelma wonders (?) why there are now short stops when scrolling long lists on her Ondio...
13:24:42amiconnpixelma: Database list(s)?
13:24:50pixelmathough I have to admit that I've never scrolled such a long list before...
13:24:58pixelma...yes "all artists"
13:24:59B4gderdaurnimator: "micro SDIO"
13:25:15B4gderthe physical size given also seems to be a micro SD size
13:25:37amiconnThe stops in the database lists are due to chunked browsing
13:26:19B4gderand even the logo on the card itself says micro ;-)
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13:26:34amiconnIf there are more ntries in the database list than the setting "max files in dir browser" specifies, the databse loads the list in chunks
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13:26:53pixelmaah... didn't know that, sorry
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13:32:15B4gderlinus and Llorean I made you co-admins of the gsoc stuff on google
13:32:24B4gderLinusN even
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13:33:08B4gderand I've accepted a bunch of mentors now
13:34:51LinusNwoooo again
13:36:51B4gderdid you get any mail when I accepted you?
13:38:20LinusNnot me
13:39:05B4gderwell, maybe they don't do that
13:39:44daurnimatorB4gder: "[23:20:31] <daurnimator> isn't it standard SD?" was in relation to "[23:18:00] <amiconn> 188mA avg. current. "
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13:40:07daurnimatorrephrased: "aren't all SD cards run at that current"
13:40:10B4gderI would assume a wifi card to use a lot more than a mere memory card
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13:40:22daurnimatorwifi card use is constant
13:40:26thewhoWhen I'm listening to music (H120) and go to the playlist (via conext menu), pressing PLAY doesn't bring me back to WPS. Is it a bug or a feature?
13:40:31daurnimatormemory card access would be periodical
13:40:41B4gderand that number is "average" in "View current playlist"
13:41:05nlsthewho: well, it's always been this way... dunno if you'd call it bug or feature
13:41:06B4gderand I doubt the wifi card spends that current constantly
13:41:25LinusNthewho: the playlist viewer is still a little special
13:41:44thewhoLinusN: but is it wanted that way?
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13:42:36thewhoI'd expect the PLAY takes me back to WPS as everywhere else
13:44:03LinusNthewho: i think it should go to the wps
13:44:25LinusNthe real problem would be the menu button
13:44:31thewhoLinusN: me too. I hope JdGordon is reading this ;-)
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13:45:37thewhoLinusN: what problem do you mean?
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13:45:51LinusNthewho: the playlist viewer has its own menu
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13:46:04LinusNbut we want the menu button to go to the main menu
13:46:58LloreanLinusN: While you're in the main menu (not the settings menu), should you be able to quickmenu?
13:47:01nlsLinusN: IMO we could remap the playlist viewer menu to whatever we use to enter the quick menu usually
13:47:03thewhoLinusN: aha! Never knew that (never used). But I think it's ok that the playlist has its own menu. But pressing PLAY should return to WPS
13:47:35pixelmanls: thanks - then there would be no playlist viewer menu on Ondio...
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13:48:02pixelma(just saying it's not as easy)
13:48:29LinusNi think it should be possible to merge the menu into the context menu
13:49:01nlspixelma: ah, right...
13:49:21nlsMost users never even know that the plalist viewer has a menu tho
13:50:01daurnimatorB4gder: anyway, reckon sansa could support it? ;)
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13:50:49*amiconn would rather drop the quickmenu(s)
13:50:55B4gderI don't know the differences and particulars of (micro) SD
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13:55:22barrywardellB4gder: I think there's an error in the "mi4 Header Explained" section on your site. the crc32 starts at 0x200, not 0x1c
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13:57:20B4gderthat doesn't make sense
13:57:23B4gderthe mi4 header is only some 0x40 bytes big
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13:57:47Marty_Kubuntui have a question
13:57:48barrywardelli mean the crc is calculated from 0x200
13:57:53markunB4gder: I applied to be a mentor, now I just have to hope I will be accepted :)
13:58:05B4gderah, _from_ 0x200 oh yes
13:58:37B4gdermarkun: you haven't appeared in my list (yet)
13:59:08Marty_Kubuntui'm using rockbox with my Iaudio X5L, can i still boot the iaudio firmware ?
14:00:01B4gderbarrywardell: thanks, updated the page now
14:00:07markunB4gder: now I should be
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14:00:38B4gdermarkun: and you are now accepted
14:01:00nlsMarty_Kubuntu: not with the official bootloader
14:01:21nlsthere is an unsupported version somwhere that supports it
14:01:33peturB4gder: did you see Robert Frawley II applied as student?
14:02:08Marty_Kubuntunls: if i'm using rockbox firmware, that's mean i have the rockbox bootloader ;-)
14:02:47Marty_Kubuntunls: so, how to use iaudio firmware with the rockbox bootloader ?
14:02:53nlsMarty_Kubuntu: yes, but there is a modified rockbox bootloader that can dualboot, jus tsaying, I don't remember where it is
14:03:42B4gderimho, we should get those changes into our boot loader, hackish or not
14:03:43LloreanB4gder: Do you know, is the "Comment" feature how we're supposed to try to recommend refinements to the Students at this time?
14:04:08B4gderI don't know, I thought I'd read up on the issue before I use them
14:04:45LloreanI definitely don't think "Customizable controls" are a relevant part of a "WPS and Themeing overhaul"
14:05:02LloreanEven if they were a desired feature, they wouldn't fit the project as described.
14:05:22peturimho they would be a support nightmare
14:05:57LloreanI think most of us agree they'd be pretty nightmarish to support, yes. :)
14:06:22LloreanI really want to elicit more information on just what this person intends with his revamped themeing idea.
14:06:28peturrelocating theme files like backgrounds and such should be possible now we store settings in a file (path can be included)
14:07:12petur(the idea of keeping all files of a theme together)
14:07:15markunLlorean: yes, pretty vague so far
14:07:23LloreanI can see a theme/wps theme/backdrop and theme/font subfolder of .rockbox
14:07:34LloreanErr theme/fonts
14:07:35Lloreanand theme/backdrops
14:07:41LloreanI'm apparently bad with plurals.
14:08:20peturor one theme per folder and all theme stuff in that folder
14:08:32LloreanI'm not sure I agree with backdrops belonging with the rest of the theme though.
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14:08:43LloreanAt least the way things currently stand, backdrops don't have anything to do with the WPS.
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14:09:05peturwps, no but theme, yes
14:09:26LloreanYes, but I think that's the thing, WPS deserves to be kept separate from "Theme", the concepts shouldn't merge.
14:09:33linuxstbbarrywardell: Did you check the crc32 changes with a v2 firmware? I could test on my Elio if you haven't.
14:09:44LloreanA theme should load a WPS and a backdrop, but the user should have the option to separate the two easily.
14:09:55LloreanEspecially if Tree/Menu themeing becomes possible.
14:09:57barrywardelllinuxstb: no. i don't have access to any device with a v2 firmware
14:10:02linuxstbbarrywardell: Also, do you want to make a beta version of sansapatcher available with your bootloader? I can build a win32 version if you can't.
14:10:13preglowsometimes, when my battles against c++ templates are at their worst...
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14:10:34blackbrotherany interesting add ons u thing i should get?
14:10:38linuxstbbarrywardell: I'm guessing it also needs Rockbox as a .mi4 as well?
14:10:53bluebrotherblackbrother: the manual :D
14:11:34barrywardellyeah, sure. I'm thinking about committing the new bootloader
14:11:37blackbrotherhere we go again with the manual (i read it)
14:11:44blackbrotherjust now
14:12:08bluebrotheryou just asked for "add ons" ...
14:12:08blackbrotherbut isn't there an cool addons that isn't in the manual?
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14:12:20blackbrotherwat about stull inside
14:12:29barrywardellbut people will need to update their bootloader to use new SVN builds
14:12:41bluebrotherunless you get game data files (like the doom wads) or patches you compile yourself
14:12:55blackbrotheryea i want games how do i add them
14:12:59bluebrotherthere are themes, but I guess you found that already
14:13:10linuxstbbarrywardell: If I was you, I wouldn't change the build servers to create .mi4 files yet. I think you also need to warn Bagder about the name changes...
14:13:19bluebrotheryou can't simply add games. Either compile them yourself or use games that are shipped.
14:13:24blackbrotherany links that have a whole bunch of games
14:13:37linuxstbbarrywardell: i.e. change the bootloader, but not Rockbox itself.
14:13:38blackbrotherhow do i compile
14:13:45bluebrotheryou can't simply add games from some site
14:13:48barrywardelllinuxstb: yeah, ok. I can do that
14:13:49bluebrotherread the wiki
14:14:11blackbrotheri read it but don't understnad =) too specific
14:14:40B4gdercompiling is specific
14:15:05linuxstbbarrywardell: Is upgrading the bootloader easy on the H10? i.e. do you just put the bootloader .mi4 somewhere in the FAT32 partition?
14:15:13bluebrotherif you don't understand it then it is nothing for you
14:15:17markunNice, the Meizu M6 firmware is unencrypted!
14:15:21bluebrotherit's that simple.
14:15:34blackbrothernothing for me?? =(
14:15:37barrywardellyeah, just a matter of putting it in the System directory
14:16:00blackbrotherany site that'll help?
14:16:05*linuxstb wonders if it could be part of the file...
14:16:09bluebrothernope. Unless you are willing to spend loads of time to learn it.
14:16:19bluebrotherblackbrother: no, no, no.
14:16:21*linuxstb then rejects that idea.
14:16:22blackbrotherok i will now pass me the link =)
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14:16:39LloreanB4gder: I'm seeing if I can get some etiquette tips at the summer of code IRC channel then.
14:16:50B4gdera good idea
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14:18:52LloreanB4gder: The general consensus seems to be "Discuss via the comments when asking for more information or clarification so it's public and all the mentors can see it"
14:19:18linuxstbbarrywardell: Thinking about people upgrading Rockbox - if they have an old "rockbox.e200" file, then they may not noticed that new zip files contain rockbox.mi4 instead - so will continue running the old version...
14:19:26B4gderLlorean: great, then let's!
14:19:41barrywardelllinuxstb: the new bootloader doesn't look for rockbox.e200 any more
14:19:44LloreanB4gder: On a related note, they suggested we might want to put a Google SoC banner on our page instead of just the text link.
14:19:59linuxstbbarrywardell: That's what I mean - if people install the new without upgrading their bootloaders...
14:20:00B4gderI didn't know there was one
14:20:22barrywardellah, yes
14:20:23LloreanB4gder: I'm asking.
14:21:04barrywardelli'm not sure what we can do about that apart from make a clear post about it in the forums and wiki
14:23:14linuxstbbarrywardell: How about a transitional period where we keep the name .e200, but change to MI4 format - the old bootloader will fail to recognise it.
14:24:12linuxstbOr maybe include a dummy .e200 file in the zip, so it will delete the previous version of Rockbox?
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14:25:32LinusNlinuxstb: the dummy file could be an executable with nothing but a splash saying "Please upgrade the bootloader"
14:25:47barrywardelli prefer the dummy file option
14:25:58linuxstbLinusN: A cool idea.
14:26:01LinusNspeaking of which, can't we detect that the ipod loader is old?
14:26:19pixelmaSlasheri: I want to repeat my question about "auto-update" of the database again, because I'm confused now. You said it would only be possible with dircache, now I found that the option is there on Archos and the wiki says it would work bur wouldn't recognise deleted files...
14:26:42linuxstbLinusN: I think dan_a thought he had done that - but it seems his detection only worked on his ipod, and no-one elses...
14:26:47LloreanB4gder: How does this look?
14:27:39B4gderLlorean: looks fine
14:27:42LloreanB4gder: Also, apparently no official banner, the person was just suggesting we knock together something, like a temporary modification of the main logo or something similar
14:27:43barrywardellmaybe we should add a version to the mi4 header too?
14:28:39B4gderexperience says version number is good
14:29:01Slasheripixelma: yes, that's correct
14:29:19Slasheripixelma: auto update without dircache is slow, eats battery and detects only new files
14:30:11pixelmaso would it be still needed
14:30:43Slasherisure, some users may still prefer it
14:30:59Slasherithat does not add much code size either
14:31:14Slasheriand with small databases it works better
14:31:38blackbrotherdoes anyone use iboy?
14:31:54LinusNblackbrother: i'm sure *someone* does
14:31:56blackbrotheri really want this but its causing me lotta trouble to get it working
14:32:08blackbrothercan anyone help me out please
14:32:10B4gderblackbrother: rockbox doesn't have iboy
14:32:27LinusNblackbrother: ask in #ipodlinux
14:32:37blackbrotheri am but the people are so dead that
14:32:45blackbrotherthey are zombies
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14:33:02LloreanIt would be really, really neat if I could *remove* a comment if I double post.
14:33:08*Llorean sighs
14:33:15*Llorean is off to an inauspicious start.
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14:33:33Lloreanblackbrother: "They don't answer" isn't a reason to ask us questions about someone else's software.
14:34:01pixelmaSlasheri: I was just asking because of the .lang cleanup
14:36:10blackbrother^^ no
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14:39:05LloreanPP is arm4?
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14:42:49linuxstbbarrywardell: Why did you want the extra rockbox header information in the original firmware .mi4?
14:43:08linuxstbI thought that would just be for identifying Rockbox files.
14:43:27bluebrotherhmm. Should FS #6827 really considered as a bug?
14:43:46bluebrotherPP: PLEASE stop this!
14:44:02barrywardelllinuxstb: the bootloader shows it in verbose mode. might be helpful for debugging problems
14:44:54linuxstbbarrywardell: Should we create another "RB" code? e.g. "RBOF" ?
14:45:29barrywardellyeah, that would be good. we might not need it, but no harm in having it there
14:45:43Lloreanbluebrother: I don't know, which change is he referring to?
14:45:49Domonokylinuxstb: sansapatcher needs something like BOOT_OPTS (like you do in ipodpatcher), to compile it without the Bootloader.. (for rbutil) :-)
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14:46:40bluebrotherLlorean: r12592 by roolku afaics
14:47:01bluebrotherIMO it's just a tag that changed, and if this breaks his wps it's not a bug
14:47:10*GodEater comes back from the pub ti find his hacked ebuild for wxGTK 2.8 has worked apparently
14:47:15linuxstbDomonoky: Can't you just create a dummy "bootimg" char* ?
14:47:49linuxstbI guess you can't - there's the .h file as well....
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14:48:30Domonokyi could make a fake .h file.
14:49:03linuxstbMaybe have a "RBUTIL" define - so things can be excluded with #ifndef RBUTIL
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14:50:06bluebrotherhi tucoz
14:50:29Lloreanbluebrother: I don't think the change should've affected those tags though?
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14:51:01Domonokyjeah a #ifndef RBUTIL would work..
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14:51:21GodEaterhmm - that looks to have at least changed the errors I get on compiling now
14:51:30tucozDo you mind if rearrange the soc page a little?
14:51:43tucozI want to add an additional level
14:51:46bluebrotherLlorean: afaics they shouldn't
14:51:54bluebrotherthe manual level? ;-)
14:52:16GodEaterDomonoky: I'm getting this error trying to build rbutil on linux now : wizard_pages.cpp:326: error: no matching function for call to \u2018wxString::Printf(
14:52:26tucozno, add another level under the different categories
14:52:46Lloreantucoz: Feel free if you think it's appropriate. I'm sure you can be trusted. ;)
14:52:50GodEaterI *think* this is because on the const char* in the call, does it need to wrapped in something ?
14:52:54tucozand add the bullets under that. That is, WMA codec will get its own heading
14:53:10tucozLlorean, thanks. i'll do that then
14:53:26DomonokyGodEater: jeah it needs to be in wxT()
14:53:53GodEateris this something that's fixed in your source tree that you've not commited ?
14:54:23preglowsvn compiles here
14:54:26preglowwith unicode wx
14:54:45Domonokyits now fixed in my source tree, but i have a non working sansapatcher in my tree, so i cant commit it :-)
14:54:57preglowlinuxstb: hmm, perhaps we need one of those sleep() things on shutdown for pp too
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14:55:27barrywardelllinuxstb: what do you think about committing the bootloader and mi4 changes together with a dummy rockbox.e200/rockbox.h10 for the zip?
14:55:59barrywardellpreglow: are you referring to my commit?
14:56:02GodEaterDomonoky: ok - I'll just muddle on through then
14:56:04preglowbarrywardell: aye
14:56:27preglows/sleep()/while(1)/ :>
14:56:50GodEaterDomonoky: neat - that appeared to be the only error!
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14:57:09barrywardellI've only noticed it while working on the bootloader - i found it kept running some code after power_off() finished
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14:57:23preglowi think i actually tried stuffing a while(1) there at one time
14:57:29preglowto see if it solved the backlight flickering i get on shutdown
14:57:55GodEaterDomonoky: unfortunately it doesn't run =( Probably more my issue than yours though
14:58:05preglowGodEater: the glibc issue?
14:58:09preglowGodEater: amd64?
14:58:12DomonokyGodEater: munmap error ?
14:58:36linuxstbbarrywardell: I think we need to test sansapatcher and the new bootloader first, before releasing it. At the same time the bootloader is released, we can then change the build system to generate .mi4 files, include the dummy .e200 file, and update the install instructions.
14:58:49barrywardellok, sounds good
14:59:13GodEaterpreglow: no - i686 here
14:59:15LloreanDummy .e200 file?
14:59:16preglowGodEater: weird
14:59:18*Llorean missed something
14:59:20preglowi get the same thing
14:59:30preglowwell, then it's probably not a 64 bit specific issue, at least :>
14:59:31GodEaterDomonoky: *** glibc detected *** ./rbutil: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x0854c044 ***
14:59:42barrywardelli'll commit just the bootloader changes for now
14:59:48GodEaterpreglow: :)
14:59:57linuxstbLlorean: The main Rockbox binary is changing from rockbox.e200 to rockbox.mi4 - so if someone installs a new without upgrading the bootloader, the old .e200 version will still be loaded.
15:00:11DomonokyGodEater: same error as many other on linux, but i dont know what causes this.. :-(
15:00:12linuxstbLlorean: The idea is to include a dummy .e200 file in the which will overwrite that e200 file.
15:00:27Lloreanlinuxstb: Why are we naming it .mi4 though?
15:00:39*GodEater rolls his sleeves up and prepares to get into ddd
15:00:53linuxstbFor consistency. It will allow us to make Rolo load any .mi4 file.
15:01:12LloreanIs there any reason you can't leave it *named* .e200 but make it a valid mi4?
15:01:51LloreanI'd kinda like to take the rockbox.iriver from the H100 and H300 and rename those .h100 and .h300 (and .h120)
15:02:12LloreanBut this is more or less so users are likely to notice if they're installing the wrong build.
15:02:46LloreanI dunno, maybe simplifying the extensions is better.
15:02:52linuxstbIt's similar to everything called ".ipod" on the ipods - ipodpatcher deals with .ipod files, and so does rolo. Although I can understand the desire to give filenames a unique name on each platform.
15:03:05LloreanI'm not happy with the .ipod thing either. ;)
15:03:22LloreanLay users tend to assume that if the filename is the same, the file is the same (or if the extension is the same, it'll work in the same places)
15:03:29preglowwouldn't it be better to keep the target name encoded in the filename, not the extension?
15:03:43Lloreanpreglow: rockbox-h120.iriver? Or even h120.rockbox?
15:03:54preglowrockbox-h120.bin, whatever
15:04:03Llorean.bin is good too
15:04:05preglowsomething seems wrong by using the extension for the target name
15:04:16linuxstbI agree with that.
15:05:00tucozNow it's easier to add category-feature specific stuff to the SoC page
15:05:09preglowand by not using the extension, it's more likely to be seen by everyone too
15:05:13preglowsome oses hide extensions...
15:05:14Lloreanpreglow: I wouldn't be against a uniform extension as long as there's a target-specific bit in the filename.
15:05:24preglowLlorean: that being the point of it all, yes :)
15:05:38LloreanI was just using a very long form of "I agree with you" :-P
15:05:57bluebrotherwhy not use the device as file extension? rockbox.h120 etc.
15:06:04GodEatertucoz: that looks much better
15:06:10preglowbecause i think the idea is clearer if it's in the file name
15:06:13LloreanThat would mean people will actually get bootloader error messages saying "rockbox-mini2g.bin not found" instead of obscure checksum errors
15:06:16tucozI think the ffmpeg people have a nice page, with specifications etc. for each project. Maybe we should try to add "wanted skills" or something to the different projects
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15:06:33preglowtucoz: the soc page should get more specific than it is now indeed
15:06:34linuxstbLlorean: Although "rockbox-mini2g.bin not found" won't fit on the mini's LCD...
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15:06:52Lloreanlinuxstb: I thought it was on two lines anyway?
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15:07:11LloreanOr is rockbox-mini2g.bin too long on its own?
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15:07:22linuxstbIt should be OK...
15:08:19preglowanywho, this is what i think would be the best solution, uniform extension for the same concept, rockbox in the name, plus a specific target
15:08:26preglowpeople are more comfortable with file names than extensions
15:08:34LloreanBut my complaint is on the issue of "identical filenames on incompatible targets" rather than what they're actually named.
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15:08:55preglowLlorean: sure, i just think we should do it properly if we're going to change things around anyway
15:09:08Lloreanpreglow: Fine by me. :)
15:09:27linuxstbBut if the issue is people putting the wrong files on their device, we can easily check for that in the bootloader and display a "wrong target!" error message.
15:09:42GodEaterlinuxstb: that's definitly one of the issues
15:09:43bluebrotherhmm. Wouldn't file extensions have the advantage that the average user won't see them?
15:09:56preglowbluebrother: what's the advantage in that?
15:10:08bluebrother(and thus not rename like rockbox-ipodvideo.ipod to rockbox-ipodnano.ipod)
15:10:10linuxstbbluebrother: The whole point is so that people see it..
15:10:13preglowwe WANT them to see they've got the right target
15:10:29amiconnOn X5 and M5 the rockbox binary is also called rockbox.iaudio
15:10:34bluebrotheroh, then my argumentation is beaten ;-)
15:10:45Lloreanlinuxstb: I wouldn't mind that either, but that doesn't reduce the confusion of Bob Average posting rockbox.ipod up on a message board saying "This is patched with blah". I'm not sure if that's a problem we care about, but it does create some noise.
15:11:10Llorean"That" being "Checking for a version in the bootloader"
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15:13:43linuxstbI guess we should also try and decide if we want rockbox-whatever.whatever in .rockbox or not.
15:14:11preglowi'd say we do
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15:14:26preglowclean and good, and i can see no downsides to it
15:14:42linuxstbDownside is harder to rolo it.
15:14:56preglowi don't know how important i think that is
15:15:08LloreanI think anyone who knows about RoLo knows how to switch file view modes.
15:15:19preglowif that's something people want to do a lot, we should have a menu entry for it
15:15:28LloreanBesides, RoLo doesn't require that the file is anywhere, so any RoLo'd firmwares can still be in the root.
15:15:31linuxstbPersonally, I'm happy with it in the root, but can see that for 99.9% of users, it will be better in .rockbox
15:15:35LloreanIt's only the boot firmware that needs to be in .rockbox
15:15:46preglowlinuxstb: anyway, i still think we should support both
15:15:54preglowlinuxstb: it's primarily a matter of where we put it in the zips
15:15:57linuxstbpreglow: I agree, that costs nothing.
15:16:12LloreanWe already do support both, we'd just be changing the default location.
15:16:20preglowyes, and that should be .rockbox, no doubt
15:16:28LloreanAnd on a related note to what Preglow said, a "Restart" and a "Shutdown" menu entry would be nice, I think.
15:16:58preglowdoes anyone want a piece of how much i hate writing parsers?
15:17:02amiconnWhy shutdown (except on the 2 soft-shutdown targets)?
15:17:45Lloreanamiconn: On the gigabeat you cannot shut down from the remote (I think). As well, on the iPod it would be faster than holding the play/pause button, some users would find it more convenient.
15:17:54LloreanAnd I think once you've got it there for a few targets, it may as well be there for all.
15:17:57GodEaterpreglow: can we just imagine ? ;)
15:18:08preglowGodEater: as long as you try really hard!
15:18:18*Domonoky has to leave..
15:18:40amiconnLlorean: I wouldn't like to clutter the main menu with too many entries.
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15:18:52preglowthose fit fine in system/
15:19:02LloreanI agree that they belong in "System"
15:19:05preglowwhich isn't very cluttered at all
15:19:13amiconnWith the current main menu it's already more complicated to shutdown the archos player (and recorder v1) via the menu
15:19:33amiconn...because you never know for sure where you end up in the menu when calling it
15:19:48preglowit's random on player and recorder v1?
15:19:57amiconnWith the old menu, shutdown was 3 button presses on the player which could be entered blindly
15:20:01bluebrotherhow about removing rockbox.whatever from the list of supported file types and offering a "browse firmwares" entry?
15:20:10preglowbluebrother: we had that... it was removed
15:20:15amiconnpreglow: No, but the menu position depends on where you come from
15:20:24preglowamiconn: then you do know where you end up
15:20:29amiconn(file browser, database, wps etc)
15:20:40bluebrotherpreglow: I know ... but iirc the firmware files always were part of the supported file types
15:21:16amiconnpreglow: Yes, but then I need to count, depending on where I come from, or look at the display, or listen to the voice
15:21:23linuxstbbluebrother: I don't think there's a need to hide the files in "supported" view, but maybe a "browse firmwares" option in System could be revived - especially if Rolo manages to load original firmwares on the portalplayer targets.
15:21:38amiconnBefore, it was just "Menu, Minus, Play" on the player
15:21:57preglowamiconn: there isn't a purely button based shutdown?
15:22:02GodEateroh bugger. Looks like I'm going to have to rebuilt glibc with debugging symbols :(
15:22:26preglowamiconn: like hold stop for iriver, etc
15:22:37*linuxstb thinks the main menu became too clever
15:22:48preglowlinuxstb: what with the remembering where you came from and so on?
15:23:00amiconnpreglow: Quite to the contrary
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15:23:18amiconnThe player and recorder v1 have a too fast hardware shutdown, so we can't intercept it
15:23:39LloreanIt took me a while to learn not to hold Off on the Recorder
15:23:49linuxstbpreglow: Yes, I would have prefered buttons have to have fixed destinations, rather than "last something" With the exception of SELECT/NAVI in the wps going to the last-used browser.
15:23:49PPhey anyone recieved a problem in podzilla like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa throught out ur whole screen
15:23:51amiconnHolding Stop (player) or Off (rec v1) shuts down the hardware in less than a second
15:23:56PPmy bad
15:23:58PPwroing channel
15:24:34Lloreanlinuxstb: Me too
15:24:35amiconnBut we want a clean shutdown (saving settings etc)
15:24:55preglowlinuxstb: yeah, i think i agree
15:25:19PP^^ ahh
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15:32:30barrywardelllinuxstb: new bootloader committed
15:32:55linuxstbJust reading it - shouldn't the hidden partition stuff be #ifdef'ed for the E200?
15:33:22barrywardellyeah, I guesss it should. first bugfix commit on the way...
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15:34:59linuxstbAlso, how about referring to the second partition as the Sansa's "firmware partition"? As we do for the ipods.
15:35:48barrywardellsounds good
15:35:54preglowwell, i'm out for the weekend
15:35:56preglowseeya later
15:36:20linuxstbAlthough in disk.h, maybe use the official description - "PARTITION_TYPE_OS2_HIDDEN_C_DRIVE"
15:37:01linuxstb(I'm mainly referring to documentation when suggesting the term "firmware partition")
15:37:12barrywardellis that the official partition type description?
15:37:23linuxstbThat's what the Linux fdisk calls it.
15:37:39linuxstbI don't know if there's an official list somewhere though.
15:38:24linuxstbHmm, seems it can also be a "hibernation partition" -
15:39:10linuxstbBut that list also includes "OS2 hidden C: drive"
15:39:45barrywardelli don't mind what we call it, it's only for that #define
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15:40:00barrywardellmaybe PARTITION_TYPE_OS2_HIDDEN_C_DRIVE is best as you suggested
15:40:55linuxstbOr as Sandisk have reinvented it, maybe "PARTITION_TYPE_SANSA_FIRMWARE"...
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15:41:27linuxstbBut anyway, I'll build the bootloader and create some sansapatcher binaries for testing.
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15:41:41linuxstbAlthough will people need to build their own rockbox.mi4?
15:41:53barrywardelli can build a for them
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15:42:12linuxstbOK. Can you host it?
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15:42:21linuxstb(I mean your
15:43:10barrywardelli'll even include a dummy rockbox.e200 ;)
15:44:10linuxstbOK, sansapatcher windows binary here -
15:45:20linuxstbJust double-click on the .exe...
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15:52:06billytwowillyhey, are there any issues left with the e200 that should stop me from buying one just to put rockbox on?
15:53:07billytwowillydoes the USB now work? wiki says it doesn't..
15:53:16barrywardelland the to go with sansapatcher -">
15:53:20GodEaterbillytwowilly: well it's still a portalplayer based device - so still the "worst" rockbox platform
15:53:32barrywardellbillytwowilly: usb doesn't work
15:53:40barrywardellbillytwowilly: and sound is half working
15:54:00billytwowillythat's too bad. Keep up the good workt hough guys, the last week has been amazing for devel;)
15:54:20billytwowillyCan you recommend another player that looks as good as the sansa?
15:54:46barrywardellthe sansa is improving quickly
15:55:08barrywardellso sound should be working fully before long
15:55:58billytwowillythat's good, because all the rest of the players except for the ipod either look bad or are hard drive based.
15:56:32barrywardelland you can always dual boot into the original firmware if you need usb
15:56:37billytwowillyand I don't really want a nano with the tiny screen.
15:57:23billytwowillymy ipod mini hasn't quite died yet;) It's on its last legs though:( I think I'll just hold off until it either really dies or the e200 port is close to flawless
15:57:38joshinbillytwowilly: With the rate of progress on the sansa, that may not be too long...
15:58:02billytwowillyyah, I've been watching the devel. It's been pretty amazing so far.
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15:58:34billytwowillyer. development
15:58:51billytwowillyThe devil doesn't exist so it's tough to watch;)
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15:59:37whitebrotherblue brother has been here since morning =P
16:00:10markunwhitebrother: why do you keep changing your nick?
16:00:34barrywardellok, testing time. old bl+new = "Please upgrade bootloader"
16:00:57whitebrotherupgrade my bootlaoader wat u talkin aboiut?
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16:01:35bluebrotherI'm usually around all day.
16:01:44bluebrotherthe PC is running anyway ...
16:02:27linuxstbmarkun: I guess he didn't realise you were talking to him.
16:02:53markunlinuxstb: he ignored the question before when I asked him
16:03:13barrywardellsansapatcher+old bl already on sansa= "OLD ROCKBOX INSTALLATION DETECTED, ABORTING"
16:03:25bluebrothermaybe he hasn't a good answer to the question?
16:03:28*petur recognizes the troll of the month when he sees one
16:03:40*billytwowilly bets whitebrother is in another chan and said something really horrible that he doesn't want associated with him so he changed his name
16:03:45*linuxstb puts the food back in the cupboard
16:03:47markunlinuxstb: I'm checking how I can put someone on my ignore list without using his nick
16:04:12bluebrotherhmm. Using a host mask?
16:04:14peturmarkun: kick/ban ;)
16:04:26peturhelps us too
16:04:38barrywardellSansaE200Install will need updating...
16:04:56linuxstbbarrywardell: Indeed. We have a lot of things to do simulatenously...
16:04:58whitebrotherban??? me?
16:05:15bluebrotherwho has the powers for kickban again?
16:05:23whitebrotheradmin and mods
16:05:29whitebrotherthere are non at the moment
16:05:48*petur looks at amiconn
16:06:07whitebrotherrefresh my memory how do u make emotions
16:06:10Mode"#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
16:06:11whitebrotherlike that
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16:06:39whitebrotheri gess i am being inored
16:07:05markunwhitebrother: no, I still haven't figured out how to do it
16:07:24whitebrotherfigure wat out? do wat?
16:07:42billytwowillycan't you just go /ignore ?
16:08:14markunbillytwowilly: his ip might change
16:08:21markunbut for now it will do I guess
16:08:33whitebrotheraight ok sorry guys
16:08:36whitebrotheri'll go then
16:08:37billytwowillyalthough I'm still not certain why you want to ignore him.
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16:13:50devondHow do you boot back into the apple firmware?
16:15:15bluebrotherswitch hold on while booting
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16:17:36devondthats it...sweet
16:22:34barrywardelloops, there was a problem with the rockbox.mi4 in that zip. new one coming up
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16:22:53devondhow do you force the ipod to shutdown. while in apple firmware...not just sleep
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16:24:36amiconndesowin: You can't. You need to reset the ipod, then shutdown from rockbox
16:24:50desowinwrong nick
16:25:08GodEatercurse that tab completion ;)
16:25:34limpbizkit70compile in a cygwin typing?? do we need a software for this
16:25:46amiconndesowin: Ooops, sorry
16:25:49barrywardellok, updated the, same url:">
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16:26:29peturlimpbizkit70: why are you back here?
16:26:36limpbizkit70i really want to know this
16:26:43limpbizkit70sorry for all the things i did b4
16:27:03limpbizkit70how do we type in a cygwin?
16:27:08devondreset? sorry for sounding stupid but how do you do that?
16:27:17barrywardelland the patch to change to mi4 format:">
16:27:20peturlimpbizkit70: see
16:27:26GodEaterdevond: hold menu + select
16:27:34limpbizkit70ok thx i'll check it out
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16:30:18devondis that at all harmful to the Ipod?
16:32:10linuxstb_barrywardell: So is it all working well?
16:33:21devondnow i'm having trouble getting it to show up in finder. and it just crashes explorer in windows
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16:33:30devondit just sits there
16:33:40devondand itunes in windows wants to reformat it
16:33:47barrywardelllinuxstb_: yes. I've yet to come across a problem
16:33:51linuxstb_devond: What sits where?
16:34:02devondokay got it to work in mac
16:34:10devondbut only when using apple firmware
16:34:19linuxstb_Are you using USB or firewire?
16:34:55linuxstb_Rockbox is known to freeze sometimes when you attach USB.
16:35:03freqmodHi, I was trying to solve bug 6760 (speex sterio doesn't work), but I don't have an accurate enough (integer) sqrt function. Does anybody know about such a function?
16:35:35GodEaterfreqmod: are you aware that stereo speex files appear to work *after* you've played a mono one ?
16:36:23freqmodstrange, because speex_decode_stereo uses sqrt, and in rockbox.c sqrt returns 0 (because it isn't implemented)
16:37:01jhMikeSfreqmod: there's one in fixedpoint.c
16:37:04freqmodbtw. i filled a new speex bug: (doesn't work without the fix in my 64-bits emulator)
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16:51:26GodEaterI think my C++ must be rusty
16:52:15GodEaterI didn't think you could use an object just by declaring it, I thought you had to use it's new() operator as well
16:53:37GodEateranyway - the crash in rbutil on linux appears to be wen ReadGlobalConfig attempts to delete some local variable objects right at the end
16:53:49jhMikeSnew() makes a heap object, the other can be used for static or stack based objects
16:55:02GodEaterI wonder why this works on windows
16:55:08jhMikeSyeah, that's bad, never use delete on automatic objects
16:55:52jhMikeSdelete might find that it's not in it's heap and just exit
16:55:57idnaron the other hand, it's kind of hard to do that
16:56:12idnaryou'd have to do something like delete &localvar;
16:56:15GodEateryeah - surely g++ should pick it up
16:56:40GodEateranyway - commenting out the delete there makes rbutil run fine
16:57:34*jhMikeS didn't look at the code so can't say why it would compile for sure...just guessing at stuff
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16:58:47GodEaterI think you're right though - it tries to remove a non-heap object
16:59:27jhMikeSwhich file?
16:59:58GodEaterthe delete is around line 225
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17:00:42jhMikeSI think I know why it accepts it
17:00:46GodEaterI knew you could do the static thing in java - didn't know C++ had that feature. Mind you - I've looked at C++ like twice in the last ten years.
17:01:38GodEatershould I post a patch ?
17:02:09jhMikeSwxString must have some kind of pointer case operator
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17:02:52jhMikeSdoesn't seem that should be there so why not?
17:02:57GodEater <−− includes a Printf fix too
17:03:21jhMikeSWhere is the source for wxString?
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17:03:33GodEateroh lord knows
17:03:35GodEaterburied in wxWidgets somewhere
17:03:45GodEaterhang on - I'll grep for it
17:04:31GodEaterI don't even have it extracted currently
17:05:33jhMikeSThat would probably be safe if it has it's own operator delete or something but dunno
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17:05:57jhMikeSI imagine I have to obtain this separately?
17:06:11GodEaterdoesn't look like it has
17:06:22jhMikeSthen that's definitely wrong
17:06:47andrewg867hmm i'm getting a weird build error
17:06:58GodEaterI'd see an "operator delete" somewhere in that file if it did right ?
17:07:02andrewg867its saying that it can't find sysfont.h
17:07:24nlsandrewg867: try make clean
17:09:04jhMikeSor in the header as an inline
17:09:16andrewg867nls: it's still doing it, it is included on line 55 in powermgmt.c
17:09:26andrewg867but this worked fine yesterday
17:09:27GodEaterjhMikeS: ah - didn't look there
17:09:57jhMikeSit would be kinda weird if it had it though
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17:10:08GodEaterit doesn't appear to *have* a header
17:10:33andrewg867hmm, actually export/font.h
17:10:51nlsandrewg867: do the standard procedure, kill the build dir, create a new one and run configure :-)
17:11:48amiconnThat's one reason why I don't like oo languages in most cases - too much stuff happening behind the scenes
17:12:05andrewg867nls: still doesn't work
17:12:15GodEateramiconn: I blame Christi ;)
17:12:30amiconnjhMikeS: Is your fmradio code tested on hwcodec, both tea5767 and samsung?
17:12:32GodEaterthat's why I'd have chosed GTK+ from the get go if it were me
17:12:42nlsandrewg867: weird, and it used to work, and you didn't change anything?
17:12:45jhMikeSamiconn: which part?
17:13:09amiconnThe whole thing, scanning for stations and such
17:13:11andrewg867nls: I added in a line to compile my driver in firmware/SOURCES, thats all
17:13:13jhMikeSit was basically UI changes today
17:13:33jhMikeSit didn't change anything for samsung
17:13:43nlsandrewg867: that shouldn't change anything, try make clean in the tools dir too, jus to be sure
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17:14:22andrewg867what a stupid mistake
17:14:24jhMikeSfor tea5767 in the US/Canada region it works like a charm. Things appear to need a different strategy in the European region and I have no idea about the others.
17:14:34andrewg867i put in driver/ instead of drivers
17:15:49GodEaterI added the patch to Flyspray, FS #6839
17:16:20GodEaterif someone else could test / commit, that would be ace
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17:16:47jhMikeSI just moved some code out out radio.c the was too close to the HW imo...and added a RADIO_SCAN_FREQUENCY which basically puts the old code in the tuner layer
17:17:21GodEaterit should probably be tested in windows / mac too =/
17:17:36*GodEater blinks at linuxstb
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17:21:10andrewg867anyone know where the GPIOH_INPUT_EN and stuff are defined (which header)?
17:21:20andrewg867*header file
17:21:31thewhoWhy there is a separate menu in the playlist viewer? I'd argue that it should be moved to somewhere the settings menu. And the entry "save current playlist" should be moved to the context menu of the playlist viewer. Any opinions?
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17:22:04thewhoThen the MENU button would bring up the main menu as in other screens
17:22:33thewhoThus we'd have more consostency
17:22:50jhMikeSamiconn: If the big/small battery curves are so much alike...I think I know why mine were off now.
17:24:39barrywardellandrewg867: firmware/export/pp5020.h
17:30:50thewhoHmm.. Where are the consistency protagonists? :-)
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17:36:34jhMikeSGodEater: by any chance did you think to scan rbutil for more of using delete improperly? :) might be wise.
17:36:58GodEaterjhMikeS: Um No. That would be far too sensible for me to have thought of on my own ;)
17:39:07GodEateron cursory glance, that appears to be the only place it's been done (and not noticed previously)
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17:41:21jhMikeSlol...never mind...just my paranoia
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17:43:50GodEaterjhMikeS: No - I'm satisfied it doesn't do that elsewhere
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17:44:27GodEaterhaving looked a bit more carefully - all other delete calls are done following a suitable blah = new blahobject()
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17:44:54GodEaterah, the very chap
17:45:10GodEaterDomonoky: FS #6839
17:45:20DomonokyGodEater: thx for fixing :-)
17:45:24GodEaternp ;)
17:45:29*GodEater hugs ddd
17:45:53Domonokyi am not at home at moment, but will test it later..
17:46:09GodEaterI'm out for dinner this evening - so I'll have to catch up tomorrow at some point
17:46:33jhMikeSknowing myself, I'd probably go through and change anything to stack objects that don't need heap allocation...but I guess I'm obsessive.
17:46:50GodEaterjhMikeS: That'd be an awful lot I think...
17:46:58barrywardellon which targets should/shouldn't rockbox.* be moved inside .rockbox?
17:48:49*jhMikeS hates the heap unless and will only use it at gunpoint
17:50:37nlsbarrywardell: old archoses will not like that
17:50:46jhMikeSwould be nice if it could still pick up fw in the root if it's there
17:51:31barrywardelljhMikeS: the bootloader still looks in the root. I'm just talking about changing how is built
17:52:27jhMikeSI thought now it looks in .rockbox first, then checks the root. That one got me a few times in the past.
17:53:24barrywardellyes, it does load from .rockbox first, but isn't that the way it should be?~
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17:54:00jhMikeSwell, if .rockbox is going to be the usual location, I'd think that should be the other way around
17:54:32jhMikeSor else I can't use it from the root without deleting the one in .rockbox
17:56:41jhMikeSit's just that it's a bit more convenience in Windows to just drop the bin on the driver letter
17:57:14barrywardelli thought checking in the root was just to provide backwards compatibility?
17:57:49barrywardellunzipping a new would replace the one in .rockbox - could be confusing for people doing an upgrade
17:58:07jhMikeSyes...I suppose that would disappear over time
17:58:34jhMikeSmaybe rbboot.cfg would be a nice little thing to have then
17:58:37andrewg867I personally overwrite all the files whenever I recompile
17:59:06jhMikeSif you only modify something that affects the bin itself why bother?
17:59:11andrewg867i'm too lazy just to select the files, and it's not that slow ;p
17:59:41jhMikeSwhen you're doing on target debugging everything is slow and most things slower :)
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18:00:13jhMikeSjust make bin and dump it on the drive letter keeps thing moving along with few steps
18:00:49andrewg867well, now I know that most stuff is in the bin and not in external files :)
18:01:05andrewg867I always assumed that it might have updated some files elsewhere
18:01:09amiconnjhMikeS: Well I don't know either. I'll do some more comparisons as I *think* most LiPo discharge curves are so similar that they can share a single mapping
18:01:42jhMikeSamiconn: I think I got somewhat of a lemon of a player personally
18:02:06amiconnThe powermgmt code is a royal mess, and I am planning to rework that after my ideas for lcd
18:02:13amiconnThat is, if nobody beats me to it
18:02:41amiconnA lot of powermgmt should in fact be moved to target tree
18:02:57Juice^should be my checkout directory for tortoise svn be: C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel ?
18:04:17*barrywardell has promised to rework powermgmt too
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18:04:37jhMikeSWell, I wanted complete charging stuff for x5 including the USB charging which needs some management...and maybe implement the nice LED for good measure.
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18:04:57amiconnbarrywardell: The most difficult case is the recorder v1, as there is a complete NiMH charging algorithm for v1 in powermgmt
18:05:10corpdoes rockbox have recording capability on the ipod video?
18:05:13amiconnThat needs to be separated somehow
18:05:20jhMikeS...and then see where that takes it many plans
18:05:41amiconnAlso, the iaudios need a rudimentary charging algorithm as well. They can charge from usb, but that needs supervision
18:05:49barrywardellamiconn: there also seems to be some hardware charging control in the AS3514
18:06:13barrywardellie. sansa
18:06:34amiconnThe iaudio charging uses the pcf50606, but usb charging needs some trickery to make it not exceed the 500mA
18:06:50jhMikeSyes, a little bit but not too much it seems
18:07:25jhMikeSI never wanted that stuffed into powermgmt.c so that would've motivated an abstraction
18:07:35amiconntarget tree
18:08:32jhMikeSof course, but in the way targeting the pcm stuff abstracted all the pcm handling
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18:08:44amiconnOrdinary pcf quick charge doesn't limit current (apart from component overcurrent protection, 2 amps)
18:09:41amiconnSo usb charging must use pre-charging mode with a higher factor, but then we need to control current selection "by hand"
18:10:17amiconnFortunately there's a safety timer built into the charger module, so we can make sure things won't run away when rockbox crashes
18:11:07amiconnWe just need to set a small enough timeout, and reset it every time we check voltage and temp, and they are within range
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18:13:52jhMikeSI don't think I need more pcf heatups...two is scarey enough to watch (and feel)
18:14:02barrywardellis any of that implemented yet?
18:14:05Juice^ - where could i set the correct directory?
18:14:41Juice^Maby i need to re-setup cygwin.. an missing arm-elf-gcc?
18:14:49jhMikeSclobbering certain zero area addresses can make the whole thing have a seizure
18:16:09jhMikeSahh...but all part of recording work
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18:18:21jhMikeSactually I recall now it was a PLL mistake that triggered it
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18:33:20amiconnMini G2 backlight draws more power than I expected
18:33:36amiconnRuntime with backlight on was only 4h 39min
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18:35:37amiconnWithout backlight I got 9h 07min
18:36:43amiconnThat was quite a while back in May 2006, so perhaps I should re-run a no-backlight test
18:37:01*amiconn has a collection of battery_bench logs
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18:39:43*jhMikeS recalls all those movie scenes with a room full of clocks running and sees amiconn with DAPs in a similar fashion
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18:40:21amiconnI don't have enough of those beasts to fill a room ;)
18:40:37pixelmadepends on the room ;)
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18:43:44bluebrotherdo we have a somewhat "standard" setup for battery benchmarks?
18:44:06bluebrotherlike a playlist with freely downloadable tracks
18:44:41amiconnI don't think we have a fixed setup for benchmarks yet
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18:45:32amiconnThe 'standard' in the past was usually 192kbps mp3, at least afaik, and that's what I use
18:45:47bluebrotherI think we could use tracks from the machinae supremacy page −− they have high quality mp3 and ogg versions
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18:46:44amiconnmp3 has the advantage that it is playable on all targets, but on swcodec it makes coldfire look good and arm look bad in comparison
18:46:50XavierGramiconn: have you updated the runtime pages with all your batter_benches results?
18:47:35jhMikeSthings got a lot better for cf recently too with no boost with all effects on :)
18:47:35nikosapiAre there any builds of rockbox that work on the 5.5G (80GB) ipod?
18:47:36*bluebrother prefers ogg anyway, so test running with mp3 files aren't that much signigicant to me
18:47:43*amiconn wants to know how to do disk poweroff on ipods :(
18:47:46XavierGramiconn: you have made many bbs it would be a shame not to have them in the wiki.
18:47:51bluebrothernikosapi: afaik no
18:48:18bluebrotherbtw, the battery_benchmark plugin could save the settings too
18:48:26bluebrother(is this easily possible?)
18:48:31nikosapiI have iPL running fine on it, but I want to try rockbox...
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18:48:36XavierGrsave the settings?
18:48:53XavierGrbluebrother: which settings do you mean?
18:48:57bluebrotheryeah, so you'll later know what e.g. the backlight settings of that test was
18:49:03bluebrotherXavierGr: all :)
18:49:04XavierGrah nice idea
18:49:08amiconnbluebrother: The settings yes, but it won't know the format played
18:49:30bluebrotheror at least all settings that are relevant for the runtime test
18:49:30jhMikeSthings got better for ogg too on cf at least...don't know if the alignment helped arm at all
18:49:30amiconnIt could just use the settings save function called with a suitable filename
18:49:36XavierGrbleubrother: it can be extended to do so, quite easily iirc
18:49:46bluebrotherright, file format won't get saved.
18:49:51amiconnjhMikeS: Thing is, mp3 doesn't boost at all on coldfire
18:49:59XavierGrthe same happens to detect mAh setting
18:50:10bluebrothersounds nice.
18:50:14XavierGrso it can happen for virtually any setting I suppose
18:50:30jhMikeSUsed to if the dsp had extra stuff going until all the asm
18:50:51bluebrotherbut if we have a standard runtime test playlist ... it could save the name of the playlist used, couldn't it?
18:50:57amiconnXavierGr: Instead of getting each setting individually, just save all settings to battery_bench.cfg or such
18:50:58jhMikeSIt should soon be even faster
18:51:21XavierGramiconn: yes if we want to log all settings that would be best
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18:52:26XavierGrI wonder where Bger is lost, he helped quite a lot (among other things) while developing battery_bench...
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19:07:19Juice^Im testing voice playback for menus, directories etc on the sansa. It seems to playback the voice speech too fast. is there any place to adjust this speed? (alot too fast actually)
19:08:21Juice^have tried two different .voice files - both playing too speedy
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19:10:01andrewg867hmm, I can't seem to figure out the problem with my driver
19:10:05jhMikeScan't see how unless the hardware sample rate is set too high or some other strange bug
19:10:22andrewg867when it tries to build it keeps saying GPIOH_* is not defined
19:10:52pixelmaJuice^: what .voice files did you try?
19:11:23andrewg867Juice^: I think you need to use 44.1 khz files
19:11:27Juice^english_VW Kate.voice and english_Reed.voice
19:11:44Juice^both last updated 070307
19:11:49andrewg867I tried playing an mpeg video with a 22k sample rate and the audio played way too fast
19:11:56pixelmathe Reeed.voice is definitely a read-fast-voice
19:12:04pixelmaor Reed
19:12:07jhMikeSThe sansa doesn't use the resampler?
19:12:15andrewg867I don't think it does yet
19:12:46jhMikeSIt shouldn't have choice
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19:13:38pixelmaJuice^: it is s very fast voice - I tried that too - was too fast for me
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19:15:27pixelmathe Kate.voice should be better but I couldn't try
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19:16:20linuxstbandrewg867: Audio must be 44.1KHz for mpegplayer at the moment.
19:16:30andrewg867ahh I see
19:17:00andrewg867I had the steve balmer "monkey boy" movie on there just to see if ti worked :P
19:17:49linuxstbjhMikeS: It's not a Sansa issues - mpegplayer doesn't pass the audio through the DSP layer, or even check the samplerate of the audio yet.
19:18:06Nico_PGodEater: wohoo ! your rbutil patch works :D
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19:22:03jhMikeSlinuxstb: I was thinking about the voice thing but I guess it's just a fast voice
19:22:26andrewg867yay, it seems my driver compiled :)
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19:25:20webguest84hello... i'm trying to save a .cfg file on my gigabeat −− am in the on-screen keyboard screen −− what button saves?
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19:32:15Juice^pixelma: do you know of any that is too fast then?
19:32:40Juice^pixelma: one of those where so fast i couldnt even hear the full words pronounced
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19:36:07pixelmaI bet that was the Reed.voice. The only hint which could be slower is the file size -> the larger ones could be slower but also could be made with a higher quality. Sorry, I can't give you a better advice as I was only able to try the two smallest on my player. (could try in a sim but haven't)
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19:39:44Ice8luewould i be possible to port maybe Transport Tycoon or something similar to rockbox?
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19:48:25muesli__there was a bug in the last build. backlight on h3xx didnt turn while keylock is on
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19:50:17amiconnRegarding the discussion "key lock" vs. "keylock yesterday - why not change the whole message instead?
19:50:50andrewg867hmm, I think I broke the sandisk firmware, only one thing to say don't hold down the record button while the sandisk firmware is booting :P
19:50:54amiconnIt currently says "keylock is on" (or "off"), but imho "keys are locked" ("unlocked") would be better
19:50:55muszekI'm trying to clean up my sister's sansa e250 before installing rockbox... only it always mounts as read only. Any idea why and what to do? Using Ubuntu 6.10, player is set to MSC (usb mode)
19:51:32andrewg867remount it in the console as read-write?
19:51:56andrewg867mount /dev/sda1 /media/{whatever} -t vfat -o rw,remount
19:52:03andrewg867should work
19:52:18amiconnAfaik linux switches to read-only if it finds a filesystem error
19:52:40muszekandrewg867: my primary hdd is /dev/sda ... how do I find out which device is it?
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19:52:53andrewg867just try pin mount and look at the listing
19:53:13andrewg867where did that 'pin' come from...
19:53:48andrewg867just do 'mount' and you will most likely see the sansa at the bottom of the list, maybe sdb1 or sdc
19:53:57muszekgparted "told" me... it's hdb. Thanks and hopefully I won't be back for more answers :)
19:54:01ElaraI'm trying to uninstall Rockbox from my Ipod color photo in Windows XP Pro SP2, and I keep getting an error on the ipodpatcher step. Can anyone help?
19:54:56nicktasticAm I ever happy Rockbox runs on the iAudio X5. The stock Cowon operating system is so frustrating to use.
19:55:44linuxstbElara: What's the error?
19:57:04Elaralinuxstb: It says: Error Reading Disk Geometry: The Device Is Not Ready.
19:57:24linuxstbI've never seen that before...
19:57:39ElaraBut XP reads it just fine. I had no trouble deleting the rockbox.ipod file.
19:58:02linuxstbHow are you running ipodpatcher? Just double-clicking on the .exe ?
19:58:20ElaraNope, I'm in cmd.
19:58:39ElaraAnd, I'm in the exact folder where ipodpatcher is located.
19:58:54linuxstbThere's no need to do that - with the latest ipodpatcher, you just double-click on it.
19:59:03andrewg867linuxstb: for the AS3514 AUDIOSET1 is 0x60 (1100000) then to enable line 1 and 2 would be 1111000, 0x78 right?
19:59:07linuxstbIt will then give you a prompt, and you can say "u" for uninstall.
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19:59:54andrewg867also how would I turn up the line in gains?
20:00:37linuxstbandrewg867: Sorry, I don't know anything about the AS3514.
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20:01:21andrewg867too bad I don't have access to the datasheet ;P
20:01:38ElaraOk, let me download the latest one and see if that works. Would it matter that I already deleted the rockbox.ipod file?
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20:01:55andrewg867well this is going to have to wait until someone who knows about it happens to come on irc
20:01:58linuxstbNo, ipodpatcher doesn't care about the rockbox files, just the boootloader.
20:02:10muszekandrewg867: mount: /media/bla not mounted already, or bad option
20:02:38linuxstbandreg867: Yes, it would have been nice if AMS had published the datasheets...
20:03:44andrewg867muszek: then try umounting 'umount /media/bla' (or the location 'mount' says its already mounted in then remounting 'mount /dev/hdb1 /media/bla -t vfat -o rw'
20:04:07muszekandrewg867: oh... I did that after unmounting :)
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20:05:41muszekandrewg867: worked, thanks
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20:08:19muszekI installed rockbox on my iAudio X5 half a year ago or so... is there any good reason to upgrade?
20:11:05|Rincewind|a lot of things have changed since then, muszek
20:12:50muszek"Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." - one of my favorite quotes :)
20:13:45bluebrothermuszek: see the changelog linked at the front page
20:14:18muszekbluebrother: rgr (sorry to bother you with the question in the first place...)
20:15:11|Rincewind|yes, that one is great
20:17:19*amiconn just had an idea how to make longer splashes than 22 chars usable on the archos player
20:19:41bluebrothermuszek: it's much easier as we don't know exactly what state of Rockbox you are aware of ;-)
20:20:45Bagderthat was Rex
20:21:02linuxstbHello Rex.
20:22:00Bagderbanging on the keyboard, chewing on a usb cable...
20:24:05muszekcool, logs :)
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20:25:59webguest83hey, uh...can the gigabeat OF *actually* play wavpack, as the comparison table reports?
20:26:30linuxstbWhere does it say that?
20:27:19webguest83i told markun about this a few days ago - he removed it, and now somebody's added it back
20:27:34linuxstbI'm sure that must be a mistake...
20:27:49webguest83i figure
20:27:58linuxstbMaybe someone is confusing it with plain WAV
20:28:15*amiconn wonders whether there is a single gui_(sync)splash call that does *not* use centering
20:28:30webguest83yeah. well, i'd remove it, but i don't have write access. :)
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20:28:51Nico_Pwebguest83: i'm sure he'll edit it again :)
20:29:10Nico_Pi did check and i'm pretty sure the GB can't do wavpack
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20:29:28linuxstbHe's Soader03 - I'm sure I've seen him around...
20:29:57pixelmaI think he's more active in the forums
20:30:34linuxstbI'll send him a PM in the forum.
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20:31:20webguest83ok, classy!
20:33:39webguest83shame twiki doesn't have edit summaries
20:33:55webguest83anyway, i'm off. thanks!
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20:34:37linuxstbamiconn: I've never noticed an uncentered splash...
20:34:50amiconnI found one single uncentered splash so far
20:34:59amiconnAll syncsplashes are centered
20:35:03linuxstbWhich one isn't?
20:35:14amiconnPlayer volume change in the wps
20:35:23amiconnThat could and should be centered as well
20:35:39amiconnThen we can drop the 'bool center' parameter completely
20:35:50linuxstbSounds sensible.
20:36:18amiconnJust checking the plugin splash calls as well...
20:36:52amiconnWow, these are more than all core splashes...
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20:39:36amiconn...and they're all 'true' except one
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20:40:07amiconn...which could also be centered with no problem
20:40:29amiconnAny objections against slashing 'bool center' from *splash() ?
20:43:21amiconn(it means changing 500 calls btw)
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21:22:53Juice^when running ../tools/configure - how can i change the source code root directory? it seems to be incorrect..
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21:34:16BagderJuice^: check the produced Makefile
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21:35:00amiconnHmm. Saves less space than expected for the core, but it still saves something...
21:35:56Juice^Bagder: where is that normally stored?
21:36:25Bagderit gets generated in the build directory where you invoke configure in
21:36:53amiconn-588 byte for fmrecorder
21:40:19linuxstbJuice^: What the full path of the directory you ran ../tools/configure from? Are there any spaces?
21:41:40Zagoramiconn: I think the cleaner api is worth the change even if the size gain isn't that big
21:42:00amiconnI think so too
21:42:13amiconnJust working my way through the plugins
21:42:15*linuxstb adds a "me too"
21:42:27amiconnTwice as many calls from plugins as from core
21:42:46amiconnBut the change itself is quick and simple
21:43:07amiconnHmm, the commit might break the langv2 cleanup patch somewhat...
21:43:44Juice^linuxstb: not sure... i type ../tools/configure in the cygwin bash.. and it doesnt show a full path.. but it seems like my rockbox source directory has been placed here by CVS earlier, that might be the trouble i guess.. C:\Documents and Settings\Frode\rockbox
21:44:05Juice^I just need to set the source dir to be C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel
21:44:23Juice^But i dont know where to set it
21:44:38Juice^I guess its stored somewhere for cygwin
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21:45:37BagderJuice^: what's so hard to understand with my explanation?
21:45:49Bagderthe source path is stored in the Makefile that configure produces for you
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21:46:46Bagderthe question is of course why it gets the path wrong in the first place
21:47:02Bagderconfigure is known to work for quite a few people
21:47:03Juice^I dont think its the correct place to look.. Correct
21:47:10Juice^in the first place its going to the wrong place
21:47:37Bagderand how are your dir hierarchy for this setup?
21:47:41Juice^I have no idea why CVS placed my source root at C:\Documents and Settings\Frode\rockbox
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21:48:10Bagderoh, spaces in the path...
21:48:16Juice^yes that too
21:48:28BagderI bet that can cause problems
21:49:01Juice^Cygwin is placed to C:\cygwin - and the source from rockbox source downloaded with tortoise svn is in C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel
21:49:33Bagderand in what dir do you run configure?
21:50:11japjI was wondering, is it possible to reduce the playing speed of audio with rockbox (realtime)? e.g. play on 80% of the normal speed?
21:50:12Juice^configure seems to be linked to C:\Documents and Settings\Frode\rockbox\tools
21:50:40Bagderuh, you lost me now
21:51:00Bagderlink from where?
21:51:41Juice^Let me google this... its all strange
21:52:00linuxstbjapj: Rockbox can increase/decrease the pitch, which will speed up/slow down playback.
21:52:02Bagderand you mentioned CVS, if you have a CVS tree around you should kill it
21:52:41japjlinuxstb: hmm that's not exactly what I want, I want the pitch to be the same
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21:53:07Juice^Bagder: how do i kill the cvs tree? just delete it?
21:53:21merwinso the sansa bootloader can now boot mi4 files?
21:53:27japjlinuxstb: I'm a musician, and I want to listen to songs and be able to play along in a slower tempo
21:53:28Bagderwe've used svn now for two months
21:53:39linuxstbjapj: I guessed so... In which case, no, Rockbox can't do that.
21:54:03*amiconn notices some plugin authors didn't know that splash() has printf-style formatting :/
21:54:38japjlinuxstb: any idea if this is possible at all? (in realtime on a iAudio)
21:54:59japjlinuxstb: what about in/decreasing the pitch, but keeping the tempo the same?
21:55:07andrewg867Bagder: I think my sansa FM tuner driver is almost working, it compiles just needs some testing :)
21:55:11Juice^Bagder: I guess i will have to reinstall cygwin. I installed svn a while ago, and it downloaded the source files into C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel - so if i could just make it the active source dir for configure to run in
21:55:38Bagderandrewg867: nice!
21:55:47Juice^andrewg867: kool. tell me it play on the european version missing the fm tuner too? :))) hehe
21:55:57BagderJuice^: and why can't you?
21:56:02linuxstbjapj: I think it's unlikely, but I'm no expert on these things. preglow is the person you want to talk to, but he's signed off for the weekend.
21:56:12BagderJuice^: or move the source tree to whereever you want it
21:56:21Bagderit has nothing to do with cygwin or its installation
21:56:29linuxstbjapj: Or just hang around - maybe someone else will reply to you.
21:56:43japjlinuxstb: ok, thanks!
21:57:15amiconnSlasheri should be renamed to splasheri
21:57:28amiconniriver_flash.rock has loads of them
21:57:51amiconn(and he's one of the aforementioned plugin devs)
21:59:13Juice^Bagder: ofcourse, i can move it, but do you know where to define the new source for cygwin?
21:59:22Bagderyou don't
21:59:32Bagderyou just cd there and 'svn update'
21:59:42Bagderor do it with tortoisesvn if you rather use that
21:59:45Juice^oh ok, let me try
21:59:59bluebrotherjapj: there's been a feature request for both mentioned playback modes quite a while ago
22:00:05bluebrotherit's in the tracker.
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22:02:20thewhoHow much work does it mean to convert a menu to the new API? If not that much i'd suggest to reorganise the context menu and the menu of the playlist viewer.
22:02:37webguest87why is it that elephants dream plays fine (video) but others do not?
22:03:37thewhoThe list view options could be moved to the settings. And the "Save current list" to the context menu of the list viewer.
22:03:41Juice^Bagder: one step closer.. now i need to fix this :
22:04:12Bagderhow did you install the compiler?
22:04:14scorchewebguest87: are these "others" encoded properly?
22:04:19thewhoThen we could get rid of the playlist viewer list menu and show the normal main menu instead
22:04:24Juice^Bagder: followed the guide in the wiki
22:04:32webguest87yes, they are all encoded as .mpg
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22:04:41webguest87either mpeg one or two
22:04:49scorchethat isnt what i asked....encoded properly is more than just a format
22:04:56BagderJuice^: you need to make your PATH contain the path to your cross-compiler tools
22:04:58webguest87do tell
22:05:18|Rincewind|thewho: jdGordon wants to convert the menus you mention at some time
22:05:18scorchewebguest87: read PluginMpegplayer (it is a page on our wiki)
22:05:57thewho|Rincewind|: just convert? Or also reorganise?
22:05:58webguest87so would using a client such as SUPER to encode them as .mpg's count as encoding them properly? or should i just follow the wiki?
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22:06:46scorcheas long as super can do the other selections such as screen size (ras), it is fine
22:06:52|Rincewind|thewho: converting first. Reorganisation is a seperate issue, and everything that should be reorganised about the menus will be discussed to death before
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22:07:03thewhoI've learned today how those menues are and that struck me. Historical reasons maybe.
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22:07:52|Rincewind|I have looked in the playlist viewer code recently and I've seen quite a few strange things there
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22:08:12japjjapj: ok, I found several items related to this... do you have any idea if the hardware of an iAudio (processor + all the specific audio chips) would be capable of doing this in realtime?
22:08:21thewho|Rincewind|: yes, they should be. But I think that would be quite logical. What are the list viewing options doing in the viewer menu?
22:08:25japjbluebrother: ok, I found several items related to this... do you have any idea if the hardware of an iAudio (processor + all the specific audio chips) would be capable of doing this in realtime?
22:08:37thewhoThey clearly (for me at least :-) belong to the settings
22:08:52|Rincewind|for me too
22:09:33thewho|Rincewind|: well, then there's a chance that we'll agree on that (I mean not only we two but also the others)
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22:10:18webguest87can somebody give me a link to the page in the wiki that details encoding MPEG files? i cant find it.
22:10:41thewhoIs there a description of the new menu API btw? Not how exactly it works but how it should be used? What should be returned, item types etc?
22:10:53|Rincewind|It doesn't mean a thing if _i_ agree with you...
22:11:02webguest87thank you
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22:11:41|Rincewind|the description of the new menu api is the code itself. You can start in the relevant header files and look for comments there
22:11:55t0dk0nIs there somewhere in the Manaul for ipod video to change the way your time looks on WPS?
22:12:08thewho|Rincewind|: that I have thought!
22:12:16t0dk0nI can't find it on the WPS tags file
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22:12:40bluebrotherjapj: afaik it _should_ be possible. But the task would be quite some work
22:12:49bluebrotherand absolutely not easy.
22:13:11bluebrotherbut I don't know any details. It's just what I know from following the discussion
22:13:25t0dk0nlinuxstb: thank you :)
22:13:56thewhoWould a patch doing two things at the same time be accepted? I mean reorganising AND converting the menu? I could then try to do that.
22:14:58thewhoBut I wouldn't want to do something that doesn't have a chance from the start
22:15:41linuxstbGenerally single-step patches I preferred I think.
22:15:46bluebrotherlinuxstb: is there a way to force ipodpatcher to access the disk?
22:15:52linuxstbbluebrother: No.
22:16:06linuxstb^are preferred
22:16:25linuxstbWhat's gone wrong?
22:17:47bluebrotherI want to write the bootloader to a disk that is completely empty
22:17:54|Rincewind|thewho: It might be a good idea to ask a few of the main devs what they think of you idea first
22:18:15linuxstbbluebrother: Download the Apple firmware and write it to the disk with dd
22:18:21|Rincewind|if you convert the menus first, then it should be rather trivial to reorganize them later in a second patch
22:18:38andrewg867are there any devs here that know about the AS3514?
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22:19:23linuxstbbluebrother: I've documented the process (although very briefly) in the IpodManualRestoration (IIRC) wiki page
22:19:35Juice^Bagder: This is not the one to use for sansa? PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:$PATH
22:19:50Juice^Im looking at profile
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22:26:11Juice^Bagder: Another step forward here...
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22:30:35Juice^any clues ?
22:31:30Bagderuse 'make V=1' to get to see the full compile command lines, they make tell something
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22:34:57Bagderstarting now, the distributed builds should only start if ./tools/ outputs "rebuild"
22:35:30Bagder"svn up | ./tools/"
22:38:06t0dk0nMy edit of the Ubuntu theme for Rockbox on ipod 5g Video
22:38:25t0dk0nI'm not quite done editing it though... need to get rid of the Ubuntu logo and replace it with SLACKWARE =D
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22:42:44andrewg867I think I just figured out a small change that seems to have helped the over-current detection on the sansa
22:42:57andrewg867it's not going higher than before
22:43:15andrewg867just change the line to pp_i2c_send(AS3514_I2C_ADDR, HPH_OUT_R, 0x40 | vol_r); /* Right Headphone Register */
22:43:41andrewg867the 0x40 turnes up the headphone over-current detection to 512ms instead of 256ms
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22:45:37Juice^ ?
22:46:27Bagderyou build in the same dir as is the source root?
22:47:09Juice^I guess :S
22:47:33Bagderyou really should try to follow the guidelines
22:47:36japjyou should build out of tree
22:47:41austriancoderandrewg867: from where do you know the ms values?
22:47:43andrewg867err, *it is going higher than before
22:47:47Juice^let me read the guidelines once again
22:49:25andrewg867austriancoder: it does help the output though
22:49:48Juice^Bagder: sorry, im quite tired too :) i'll get some coffe
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22:50:12Bagderstep 2
22:50:18Juice^Bagder: Yes, im on that page
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22:54:43Saneerr, is there some trick to having your computer recognize your device when Rockbox is installed?
22:55:15BagderSane: no, you just follow the steps
22:55:22Bagderand then it works
22:55:26Juice^Bagder: still getting the "make[1]: *** [/bin/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o] Error 53" have made the build dir, and ran configure for it and set it to 50 for sansa
22:56:10Juice^I think he means to have your device work with USB on the pc while running rockbox?
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22:56:35Bagderoh, is that what you ask Sane ?
22:56:54BagderJuice^: can you invoke that final perl command line manually on the command prompt?
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22:58:22SaneYeah well, I just got my iriver H10 20GB, copied the bootload, installed Rockbox, and when I connect it via USB, I get a "not recognized" signal, but if I use the UMS trick, it loads with the iriver look and allows me to access the player
22:58:37Saneso my question is, is there no way to access my player while running Rockbox
22:59:06BagderSane: not yet, rockbox on h10 has no usb support
22:59:12Saneah i c
22:59:12Juice^Bagder: Thats a bit too complicated for my skills im afraid
23:00 commit...
23:02:12Bagderthe best kind!
23:02:58XavierGramiconn: that's the third wordplay attempt on Slasheri :P (along with Flasheri and Cacheri)
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23:03:49Bagderthere's a swedish saying that goes something like "a loved child has many names"
23:04:31XavierGrI love Slasheri just by the dircache feature (not to mention the others)
23:04:40Bagdermy svn update check at least worked for the monster
23:05:00donutman25is usb working in sansa yet?
23:05:32_AmblinBadger: With rockbox loaded, about how much video buffer can MPEG Player use?
23:05:49Bagderthe whole audio buffer
23:06:03_AmblinHow large is that in MB?
23:06:15amiconnDepends on the target, and on some settings
23:06:25_AmblinIm trying to cut my files accordingly
23:06:25amiconnRoughly ram_size - 2MB
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23:08:16_AmblinI take a 30 MB file, it plays for about 2/3rds the way through before maybe I should limit file sizes to about 15 MBs?
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23:10:30webguest40I do believe that that big long update to svn just broke something!
23:10:51Bagderwhy what?
23:11:05webguest40I was just makeing builds
23:11:14webguest40and it worked fine
23:11:20pixelmaa bit of yellow - an oversight in midiplay it seems
23:11:30webguest40then I updated and it failed
23:11:35CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:11:35*amiconn wonders why the saving for archos is lower than what I got here when comparing my own builds
23:11:56Bagderthat's odd
23:12:02webguest40I now see that someone did a big load of changes
23:12:14webguest40I do have patches
23:12:18Bagderwebguest40: as you can see on the build page, all builds still build
23:12:22amiconnMaybe I have some changes in my main tree which help archos bin size
23:12:24Bagderthen fix your patches
23:12:29pixelmawebguest40: the syntax for splashscreens has changed so to speak
23:12:38webguest40i will try building with out patches
23:13:00amiconnI simply overlooked a single plugin
23:14:14amiconnHmm, how can I replace a certain string in all source files with another string?
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23:14:25amiconn...without doing it by hand of course
23:14:53webguest40building now
23:14:56Bagdersed or perl
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23:16:10Fingolfinhi there. I am from the ScummVM project, and we just noticed that your SoC suggestions include a ScummVM port to rockbox
23:16:11Bagderamiconn: perl -ie is a common trick
23:16:13Fingolfinfirst off: way cool :)
23:16:22Fingolfinsecond: could you please fix the link to our forums?
23:16:34Bagderfix as in... ?
23:16:34andrewg867how do you convert an int to a char in C?
23:16:41Fingolfinit points to forums-he, but should point to forums (forums-he is an alias which was temporarily used when we moved to alternate hosting)
23:16:59Fingolfinalso, you may want to add a link to
23:17:04Bagderandrewg867: you mean 32 to 8 bit, or 32bit number to a string?
23:18:13webguest40told u there was an error
23:18:18webguest40he just fixed it
23:18:30BagderFingolfin: updated!
23:18:49Bagderwebguest40: yes, we saw 2 warnings on the build page
23:18:57Bagderwarnings are not errors
23:20:07andrewg867Bagder: 32bit number to sring
23:20:11FingolfinBagder: thanks. should you actually end up with somebody working on this, we are of course also willing to help (as this likely will require both Rockbox and ScummVM knowledge)
23:20:19Bagderandrewg867: snprintf()
23:20:52BagderFingolfin: thanks, I bet some talks will be required in both camps indeed
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23:23:07nikosapiIs there any way I can get rockbox on my 5.5G (80GB) ipod? And if not, is work being done to get it working?
23:23:27Bagdernikosapi: work is being done, albeit a bit slow
23:23:38Bagderbut no, it doesn't work atm
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23:24:33nikosapiSo there's no super-alpha-beta-expirimental build available? ;-)
23:24:54Bagdernot that I know of
23:24:55*amiconn thinks that figuring out how to do the replacement with perl or sed would take him longer than doing it by hand :/
23:25:14Bagderamiconn: I'll offer you a script, hang on...
23:25:32lavidnikosapi: the ipodlinux group just got their svn to work on the 5.5G 80GB.
23:25:52lavidnikosapi: so it's possible that it might be coming soon
23:26:14amiconnNot too soon
23:26:28nikosapiI know, but I want rockbox, iPL doesn't do what rockbox can
23:26:32lavidamiconn: thus my extensive use of conditionals
23:26:56nikosapinp, anywho, thanks for the update. bye
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23:27:01amiconnWe know what the problem is, but solving that involves changing the fat filesystem driver, and this driver doesn't share code with linux, and hence ipl, at all
23:27:19lavidoh well, he's gone
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23:30:43amiconnBagder: Thanks, that was quick :)
23:31:10BagderI've written them so many times...
23:31:37amiconnHmm, does that descend into subdirs?
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23:32:07homieloweBagder: Is the TMS320-based target you mentioned on the GSOC wiki page similar or actually this player
23:32:13Bagderyou can extend the wildcard wiht */*.[ch] etc for a simple version
23:32:41Bagderhomielowe: that's an example of such a target
23:32:54homielowetbadger: thankyou
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23:33:14Bagderhomielowe: see
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23:33:47homielowebadger: probably should have searched more
23:34:51amiconnHmm, that doesn't work
23:35:14amiconnIt complains about an unexpected token
23:35:51Bagderhm, insert a space before the semicolon on the for line
23:36:39Bagderwhat's the exacy error message?
23:37:05amiconn$ ./
23:37:05amiconn: command not found
23:37:05amiconn'/ line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `do
23:37:05DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn
23:37:05amiconn'/ line 3: `for t in *.[chS] ; do
23:37:13amiconnHmm, command not found
23:37:21CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:37:21*amiconn wonders what command that would be
23:37:36Bagdernewline problem?
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23:38:02amiconnBlargh, me hatses it
23:38:08amiconnYou were right...
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23:40:16SaneQuestion: If I make my player dualboot and use the original iriver firmware, will there be any problems if I have unreadable codecs (such as FLAC) on my player?
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23:41:09Sanek thankx
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23:52:31bluebrotherfind apps/ -name '*.c' -exec "sed -e 's/bool/BOOL/g' {} > {}.new && mv {}.new {}" \;
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