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#rockbox log for 2007-03-18

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02:07:58Nico_Pmy WPS tokenizer patch is starting to be near ready :)
02:08:11JdGordonw00t :D
02:08:14Nico_Pi'm just a bit disappointed with the size gains
02:08:41JdGordonsize isnt everything
02:08:52*JdGordon just walked into badness :p
02:08:56Nico_Pyou want to see it ?
02:09:25JdGordoni had a quik look last night... wont have a cance today
02:09:42JdGordonactaully i tink i only got down as far as the debug code :p
02:10:43Nico_Pok :)
02:10:45Zagorweb server is now up again. (phew)
02:12:25Nico_Ponly 48 B gain on the gigabeat :(
02:12:37Nico_Pand i think on archos targets my code is bigger
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02:12:54JdGordondidnt you say 1k last night?
02:13:18Nico_PJdGordon: I did, but i underestimated the code i had left to add
02:13:29JdGordonaaww :(
02:13:33markunJdGordon: you keep increasing rockbox with almost every commit.. :)
02:13:41markunbinary size
02:13:47JdGordonbut... i dropped it by a lot before....
02:13:55JdGordonso it all evens out eventauyll
02:16:06markunI didn't keep a close eye on the amount you reduced the binary size before.
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02:24:07toffe82_hey markun
02:24:53toffe82_just got a lcd working for a gigabeat S so I can rebuild another working one ;)
02:26:46Nico_Pis there someone who could test my WPS patch on an ipod to see if it helps with the boosting ?
02:27:18Nico_PATM i only have a gigabeat, and it's not very useful to measure gains on
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02:27:59Nico_Pan ipod or anything that needs to boost with some codecs
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02:30:54Nico_Plinuxstb_ ?
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02:32:32webguest33what does this define in libmad actually do:
02:32:35webguest33#define MAD_F(x)((mad_fixed_t) (x##L))
02:33:02webguest33i've never seen the x##L syntax before
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02:39:33Bawitdabaah here it is
02:39:49Bawitdabafaq said u guys were @ openprojects.net which doesnt exist
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02:40:29Entasiswebguest33: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Concatenation.html#Concatenation
02:42:08Bawitdabai dont have a mp3 player but i am going to buy one, was wondering rockbox is a complete firmware replacement and it acts as a mass storage device so u dont have to use mtp/3rd party stuff?
02:42:24Bawitdabanot sure what im gonna get yet either and ipod or zen vision
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02:45:14webguest33Bawitdaba: Rockbox completely replaces the original firmware
02:45:36Bawitdabaawsome, i assume is much better or equel to it?
02:45:45Bawitdabaive only seen some limited screens
02:45:47dan333hey does anyone know how well rockbox works on the Toshiba: Gigabeat
02:47:48voltagexBawitdaba: afaik there's no Zen port, correct me if I'm wrong
02:47:55webguest33dan333: I believe its supposed to work quite well
02:47:59webguest33no recording yet though
02:48:10voltagexBawitdaba: currently, best players IMO are the Gigabeat and the iRivers
02:48:11Bawitdabayeah i know i am hoping that in the future one will be made
02:48:39dan333what is the hard drive size do u know
02:49:05Bawitdabai wanted something at 80gb or more but that is pretty hard to find, have to settle for 60gb
02:49:48webguest33Entasis: thanks, but I don't understand what the L does either
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02:52:11Entasiswebguest33: L is just a symbol, MAD_F(foo) => ((mad_fixed_t) (fooL))
02:52:13webguest33oh
02:52:17webguest33yeah just figured it out
02:52:21Entasis:)
02:52:24webguest33specifies that its a long type
02:52:30Bawitdabaoh and voltagex the new gigabeat s's (if u can call them new lol) aren't supported for rockbox either right
02:52:48Bawitdabacuz i was looking at one of toshibas 60gb ones i think it was a gigabeat
02:53:02webguest33yes, only F and X are supported
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02:54:54Bawitdabathink it was a piano whatever that is, ran media center portable edition it says gigabeat on the pic of it tho looks pretty sharp supposedly the predicesor to zune
02:55:05Bawitdabahttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16855167014
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02:55:37SoapNo recording on the gigabeat "yet", webguest33, because the gigabeat doesn't have the hardware to record.
02:56:31 Quit ender` (" Programming is like sex becuse: 6. If you spend more time doing it than watching TV, people think you’re some kind of freak.)
02:56:40Juice-voltagex: what about the iAudio X5's .. they look nice and have great storage
02:56:47Nico_PSoap: are you sure it isn't possible to record via a custom dock ?
02:57:14SoapBawitdaba: despite what webguest33 says, Rockbox does not "completely replace the original firmware" on most devices. For example, the iPod of which you asked, Rockbox uses the Apple firmware for USB disk mode, and dual boot works great on almost all targets.
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02:57:38Bawitdabaah
02:57:54SoapNico_P: I can't speak as to such a dock, but the Gigabeat F/X itself has no recording hardware.
02:57:59Bawitdababut when u load it or running it, it never uses old firmware
02:58:17dan333anyone know what hard drive the ipod uses
02:59:20SoapBawitdaba: correct, rockbox does not reuse any of the original firmware when running, but the original firmware is still there if you choose to use it.
02:59:40Bawitdabascreenshots of rockbox look really cool, was really looking to get something that i can just dump my mp3s on i have no drm junk i just wanna copy paste/sync i dont need itunes and stuff
02:59:44SoapI guess I see what webguest33 was saying, sorry for the semantic fight.
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03:00:18Bawitdabaplus its also a cool backup, never know when ur hd might die
03:00:27Soapyea, being able to browse your music by filename / path instead of the Apple database was a huge selling point for me.
03:00:50Bawitdabayeah i got everything how i like it
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03:01:39dan333what does rockboxdev.sh
03:01:43dan333do
03:02:10Soapit is a shell script to download and build your cross-compilers.
03:02:27dan333what app do i use to open it
03:02:32Bawitdabado u know if anyone is expirementing with zen vision m and rockbox or if its possible at all, i didnt seem to find a page on rockbox site on devices that simply are impossible to put rockbox on for reason x,y
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03:03:46Bawitdabadan333 typically a .sh is a shell file for unix based systems similar to a batch file on windows
03:04:04dan333o do I run it in cygwin
03:04:14Bawitdabauhm u prolly could
03:04:28Bawitdabaif u open it up in a text editor u could read what it does
03:04:33Bawitdabait might have helpfull comments
03:04:51Bawitdabamight be dangerous running it without knowing what it does
03:05:23dan333so when I compile I get a warning error after I select normal build what should I do
03:05:41dan333using cygwin
03:05:49Bawitdabanot sure
03:05:59Bawitdabaarent packages prebuilt, why do u need to compile it
03:06:37dan333someone said I need to follow instructions for installing coldfire so I could compile
03:07:16dan333and I looked on the wiki and it said for automadic install run that script thing
03:07:29voltagexJuice-: what's the biggest harddrive for the X5?
03:07:44dan33360 gb I think
03:07:57voltagexhmm
03:08:15voltagexsee, if I could have a 250gb hard drive in an MP3 player I would
03:08:19Bawitdabasad mp3 players dont have bigger drives yet
03:08:24Bawitdabasame
03:08:26voltagexalthough my collection is only 100gb atm
03:08:35Bawitdabahell 1tb drives are out already for normal pcs
03:08:40toffe82_Soap, Nico_P : one solution to record for the gigabeat could be using the analog input used by the remote connecting a microphone instead of the remote ( it will be a mono recording) . The other way is using the I2s bus on the dock connector (but we have to do the interface)
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03:08:52Bawitdabaperpendicular writting allows up to 5tb drives to be made
03:09:08voltagexBawitdaba: that's a lot of high def pr0n
03:09:18Bawitdabai hope
03:09:25Nico_Ptoffe82_: the custom dock idea seems cool
03:09:27Soaptoffe82_: how about an ethernet jack while you're at it? ;)
03:09:29Bawitdabatry squeezing it on a 60gb mp3 player
03:09:31toffe82_yes
03:09:39Juice-voltagex: yep its max 60gb.. a portable mp3 player with 250gb? hehe, would you carry a battery on a rucksack for it too?
03:09:45Bawitdabayeah eithernet would rock
03:10:00voltagexBawitdaba: the guys with video ipods at school have pr0n
03:10:04Bawitdabawould be nice to see a small mp3 player with a pcmcia slot
03:10:35voltagexJuice-: actually, I use my MP3 player in the house a lot so a wifi connection would do, but that chews batteries too
03:10:44Juice-these are so called ultra portable pcs.... not mp3 players :p
03:11:06Bawitdabayeah i dont really want video
03:11:06SoapI think a SDIO slot would be more likely than a full PCMCIA ;)
03:11:10*voltagex needs to learn C and how to program USBOTG so I can write a wifi-class driver for the H340
03:11:10toffe82_Soap : when I will finish the usb interface (one day... ;) ) and if somebody write a usb driver for an usb ethernet, no problem
03:11:12Bawitdabai just want mp3 and good quality
03:11:19Bawitdabahalf of the mp3 players suck at quality
03:11:37Bawitdabakinda want to get a zen for that reason creative is really good at audio products
03:11:57voltagex*cough*
03:12:04daurnimatorvoltagex: use a psp and shoutcast or something ;)
03:12:07Bawitdabalol
03:12:09webguest33Bawitdaba: I've posted RMAA results for a number of MP3 players
03:12:15webguest33theres not a huge difference between them
03:12:18voltagexwebguest33: ooh, please link
03:12:22Soaploaded or unloaded RMAA tests?
03:12:29Bawitdabanever said it was perfect
03:12:35Bawitdabaand i said audio in general
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03:12:44voltagexdaurnimator: bleaarrrghh sony
03:12:45webguest33hay Soap, this is saratoga
03:12:49Soapahh
03:12:51daurnimatori know
03:12:55daurnimatorsony sucks
03:12:58webguest33mostly unloaded, only did loaded for the ipods since they have trouble
03:13:02Bawitdababut sure ill have a loot at the RMA results where @
03:13:03daurnimatorbut.... hardware is usually nice
03:13:05JdGordonhmmm... how far away from my stereo speaker should an external hard disk be?
03:13:10voltagexiRiver W10
03:13:18daurnimatorsoftware, business tactics, lies etc is crap
03:13:26voltagex8gb flash, SD slot, MP4 playback, wifi
03:13:32BawitdabaJdGordon just not near the magnet
03:13:40webguest33heres a few of them that I have handy:
03:13:41webguest33http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rmaa/
03:13:42Bawitdabadepends on the size of ur speakers
03:13:56voltagexBawitdaba: and also how loud they are
03:14:10Bawitdabaoh
03:14:12BawitdabaRMAA
03:14:15Bawitdabaright i knew that
03:14:50JdGordonhopefully the cov er will shield it abit :p... my desk isnt big enough for 2 speaker and a safe distancee from the disk
03:14:53voltagexoh! RMAA not RMA lol
03:15:06Bawitdabahaha
03:15:45SoapJdGordon: many computer and "bookshelf" speakers are already decently sheilded, and I've never lost a HD next to my speakers, and they are pretty close.
03:16:33JdGordonthese are cheap pioneer spekers with plastic shells.. I doubt they are shielded :p
03:16:36SoapIf they don't gauss (is that the right word?) your CRT monitor I wouldn't worry, and even if they do, as long as you don't rub them back and forth over your HD I bet you are safe.
03:16:47JdGordonok
03:17:13SoapThe Slashdot consensus (for whatever _that_ is worth) is you can't harm a HD with magnets unless you really try.
03:17:51voltagexSoap: I've been told that by friends too
03:18:04voltagexjust don't put your disks in an MRI machine
03:18:07JdGordonawesome :D I just turned my lava lamp on fir the first time in ages.. and after about 5 min the blob inside exploded... looked soo cool
03:18:16webguest33don't put anything metal near an MRI machine
03:18:32webguest33they'll get really angry if you do, takes forever to fish a chair out of a 4T magnet
03:18:43andrewg867ahahaha
03:18:47JdGordonor a bullet, if youve seen the house md episode
03:18:57Soapyou know, I was always told that too, but they used a MRI to check my wife's neck after she had spinal fusion and three plates bolted in.
03:18:58toffe82_:)
03:19:14*billytwowilly had an MRI once
03:19:26JdGordonSoap: surgical plates and stuff isnt magnetic
03:19:39JdGordonor not supposed to be
03:19:41billytwowillymust be made of nickel.
03:19:42voltagexmaybe it's time to turn my speakers down once the windows start shaking
03:20:02Soapvoltagex: that's just your house's way of telling you to open the windows and share.
03:20:18voltagexSoap: the church next to me may not like Drum & Bass
03:20:36webguest33also, very small plats will enclose a small part of the b field inside the magnet
03:20:38billytwowillyyou live next toa church? That must suck.
03:20:40SoapIs it Sunday there?
03:20:44voltagexyes
03:20:50webguest33since the flux is small, the heating is small and its reasonably safe
03:20:58webguest33though you never know
03:21:05SoapOh, well then give them their day.
03:21:10webguest33i have a friend who does MRI design work and he can never go near the magnets
03:21:16webguest33due to metal plates in his back
03:21:18voltagexdoesn't suck too bad, the minister isn't evangelical - understands that we're athiests
03:21:37billytwowillynice. If only more churches were like that.
03:22:17voltagexbillytwowilly: the Buddhists I've met seem to be the same
03:23:10*voltagex wants an iRiver W10. That would be one hell of a rockbox target
03:23:27voltagexactually, you could probably run full blown Linux on the thing
03:23:35toffe82_fyi, if you are looking for a good amplifier, cheap for your player, check this one, 30$, 8hours on batteries and really really good sound : http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/t-amp_e.html
03:23:57voltagexfugly but cool http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/15/the-iriver-w10-eh/
03:24:01billytwowillythat's good. We have some bad religious people up here. They don't like it when I tell them I think teaching kids religion is child abuse;)
03:24:02webguest33in arm, what does MOVS do?
03:24:15voltagexbillytwowilly: USA?
03:24:21billytwowillyAlberta, Canada
03:24:48billytwowillyThe only red state in Canada;)
03:25:21voltagexbillytwowilly: we have state elections here soon... voting for the first time.
03:25:35billytwowillyThat's good. Vote Libertarian.
03:25:54voltagexerr, labor and liberal are reversed here I think
03:26:11billytwowillylibertarian. Oh, are you in Britain?
03:26:24billytwowillyaustralia.. interesting.
03:26:28voltagexLiberal are currently in power in federal parliament. They're the ones who won't pull us out of Iraq, who don't fund schools properly
03:26:40voltagexalthough, school funding is technically a state thing
03:26:50voltagexand the state government is Labor
03:26:50Soap#rockbox-community is really the channel for Off-Topic
03:26:55voltagexoh
03:26:56voltagexsorry
03:27:05voltagexbillytwowilly: see you there?
03:27:13billytwowillyIt would be pretty silly to pull out of Iraq now.... Dumb to go in in the first place though;) K, moving to community;)
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03:34:33webguest33soap: have you been doing loaded RMAA tests?
03:35:40Soapwebguest33: until my sound card crapped out.
03:35:53SoapTrying to make the perfect EQ to cancel out the ipod
03:35:57Soap's 16 ohm issue.
03:37:05webguest33do you have any test results you could share?
03:37:14webguest33i'm thinking of putting together a page of loaded results
03:37:17webguest33since no one ever tests thos
03:37:18webguest33e
03:37:41Soapgive me a few days and I can give you some, I haven't saved any, still searching.
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03:38:38Bawitdabaanyone have info about the 80gb ipod and rockbox, i know currently it isnt supported but from reading the wiki it sounds like it will be soon?
03:38:41webguest33oksure
03:38:55webguest33right now I've just got a few ipod ones, and the h100s
03:41:42Nico_PI'm looking for volunteers to try my WPS code
03:42:16Nico_PI can provide builds
03:42:51Juice-if you made it for the sansa it would try it ;)
03:42:54Juice-i*
03:43:21Nico_PJuice-: fine. do you have tracks that trigger boosting ?
03:43:42Juice-what kind of boosting? oO
03:44:09Nico_PCPU boosting. it's displayed in the audio thread debug screen
03:44:31Nico_Por just tell me if you have tracks that skip
03:44:43webguest33i think pretty much anything but flac will boost on the sansa
03:45:04Nico_Pah, cool
03:45:08Juice-i do have tracks that skip yes
03:45:20Nico_PJuice-: fine. i'd like to know if they skip less
03:45:34Nico_Por more, but hopefully it won't be the case
03:45:40Juice-okay
03:45:50Nico_Pit's not an R model ?
03:46:04Juice-nope
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03:46:12Nico_Pok, I'm building
03:46:17Juice-allright
03:46:36Juice-what did you change?
03:46:37webguest77Did we figure out why the website went down?
03:46:45Soapsee topic
03:46:55Juice-webguest77: the server has been upgraded.
03:46:58Nico_PJuice-: basically, I rewrote the whole WPS code
03:47:14webguest77Oh I figgured that the upgrade was over
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03:47:25webguest77thx for the info
03:47:29Juice-Nico_P: Really. cool :)
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03:47:41webguest33Nico_P: is that on filespray?
03:47:44Nico_PJuice-: you shouldn't see any visual differences (if so, please mention them), but hopefully you'll have better performance
03:47:48Nico_Pwebguest33: no
03:48:18Nico_Pwebguest33: actually there is an entry with a wps tokenizer, but i last posted there ages ago
03:48:20Soapdid you do a wiki page on that Nico_P? I'd really like to learn more about the how, why, and what - but don't expect you to rehash it for (what would probably be) the 100th time.
03:49:19Nico_PJuice-: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox.zip
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03:50:05webguest32How do i get the id tags to show for my files?
03:50:12Juice-Nico_P: ok a min, i will load it onto my sansa
03:50:14Nico_PSoap: there's this wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WPSTokenbasedHandling, but it's not the same thing
03:50:27webguest32????
03:50:41Nico_PSoap: some time ago, i posted some code on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4826
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03:50:58Nico_Pwhich explains the concept a bit better IIRC
03:52:10webguest32Anyone?
03:52:20Juice-Nico_P: extracting the files you compiled overwriting the old ones will do fine right?
03:52:28Nico_PJuice-: yes
03:52:39Nico_Pwebguest32: you should be a bit more specific
03:53:05webguest32The fonts are not alligned? Does this make sense?
03:53:22webguest32Everything is overlapping everything
03:54:13Juice-Nico_P: i can tell you, its not working to play mp3s at all with your build :S
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03:54:38Nico_PJuice-: do you get an error message ?
03:55:40Juice-first error i get when booting up rockbox after the logo is "playlist control file is invalid" - and when i try to play a mp3 file it freezes. tried three different ones now
03:55:49Nico_P:s
03:56:05Juice-I have to force shutdown by holding the power button for 10+ seconds
03:56:06Nico_PJuice-: maybe try another WPS... which one are you using ?
03:56:15Juice-im using plain text
03:56:20Juice-let me try with another
03:57:16Juice-crap, rockboxed is all black on my screen, cant switch to any others.. gotta reset my cfg file
03:57:57Nico_PJuice-: i'll try plain text in my sim
04:00
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04:02:03Nico_PJuice-: plain text crashes my sim, so with another WPS you should be ok
04:02:09***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
04:02:12Nico_Pi'll look at what causes the bug
04:02:21Juice-ok
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04:03:10Nico_PJuice-: have you tried another ?
04:03:12Juice-stupid refreshdatase :/ on the original sansa firmware. it takes about a minute to refresh at bootup
04:03:17Juice-im waiting
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04:03:35Nate_BentonHi guys
04:03:36Nico_Pok
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04:04:01Nate_BentonI just had a couple quick questions about rockbox, before I decide to stick it on my 5 G iPod video.
04:04:02Nico_Phmm "stack smashing detected"... never seen that before
04:05:12Nate_BentonFirst of all, will I have to wipe my iPod completely before installing Rockbox? Second, will my MP4 movie files I have for my iPod work with Rockbox with some sort of a driver?
04:05:21Juice-with another wps i get data abort at 00040FB8
04:06:07Nate_BentonI really would like to experiment with Rockbox, but those are my only concerns.
04:06:47Nico_PJuice-: maybe try with the default... if that one doesn't work I don't know what to say
04:06:56SoapFirst = no.
04:07:01SoapSecond - no
04:07:18Nico_PI haven't done much testing on custom WPSs yet
04:07:21SoapSecond part the second = you can dual boot to Apple Firmware so you can view said movies.
04:07:40Nate_BentonI see, Thank you. Alright, then back to my first question then.
04:08:20Juice-Nico_P: finally, now its playing. but the wps doesnt work with any wps now. its all text without graphics
04:08:42Nate_BentonI'm going to assume from what I've read, that Rockbox won't be ready to play my songs I already have on there, correct? I'll have to put them on again? The songs I synced with iTunes will not appear with Rockbox, because of database incompatibility?
04:09:06Nico_PJuice-: what do you mean ? no pictures are displayed ?
04:09:22Juice-Nico_P: correct, no pictures in wps at all
04:09:46Nico_PJuice-: which WPS is that ?
04:09:50Soapnope, Nate_Benton, read the rockbox manual section on "Database". While Rockbox can not use the apple database, the songs are there, and if they were properly tagged _before_ they were added via iTunes, they are still tagged and Rockbox can build its own database of the songs.
04:10:19Nate_BentonThat's great =)
04:10:34Juice-Nico_P: and it seem to hang in the menus too, after a second or two its "releases" the scrolling and the scroll does all the scrolling in a millisecond that it was about to do before it "freeze"
04:10:56SoapThere is some lack-of-understanding regarding how songs you tag in iTunes _after_ they are added to an iPod get the metadata stored, if the metadata is only in the iPod database, or if iTunes rewrites the tags.
04:11:21Juice-Nico_P: like there is a thread that is paused and resumed
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04:12:12Juice-Nico_P: random stuff, no suddenly rockbox_default is working
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04:13:46Juice-Nico_P: If i scroll up and down fast in the menus, it will create skips on the current playing mp3... dont know if this could be the same for latest build too
04:13:50Nico_PJuice-: could you try the default theme with a track that skips and tell me if you think it skips more or less than before ?
04:15:51Juice-Nico_P: Hmm.. i'll see if i could find a skipping track, i think i had one earlier with the latest build
04:16:37Juice-Nico_P: Any music file skips if i play jewels at the same time, if that is for any help?
04:17:05Nico_PJuice-: that's probably normal
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04:17:18Juice-Nico_P: yup..
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04:25:45dan333and I looked on the wiki and it said for automadic install rucould anyone help me with the cross compiler thing for cygwin
04:26:29dan333could someone help me with the cross compiler thing for cygwin
04:26:46Nico_PJuice-: in plain text the RTC tag at the end is causinf the crash somhow
04:27:02Nico_Phmm i'm so tired i can't type
04:29:01Juice-Nico_P: ok - hehe. im too tired myself, i should have been at sleep many hours ago. let me check it up more tomorrow, i cant really remember the track that skipped the most right now. perhaps my brain will pop it up after a refreshing dreamstate in mind :P
04:29:36Nico_PJuice-: ok, anyway thanks for testing. you made me find a big bug :)
04:29:59dan333what's the most stable player running rockbox
04:30:00Juice-Nico_P: hey , no problem. I can test stuff later on awelll, if needed
04:30:11Juice-aswell*
04:30:22Nico_Pcool
04:30:59webguest33dan333: probably the archos players (though they support only a few formats) or the iRiver H100/H300
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04:31:52dan333what player could I find in the shops still because haven't the iriver's being discontinued
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04:38:46SoapiAudio X5 or M5
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04:46:39andrewg867my guess is that the servers are still down
04:46:58andrewg867either that or my DNS is broken again
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04:47:10scorchethe site is up
04:47:16andrewg867yeah, it works now
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04:47:27andrewg867stupid aliant and their crappy DNS servers
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04:56:15dan333hey I just installed cygwin do I need to follow the cross compiler gide at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
04:57:08dan333because I get errors when I select normal build
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05:05:15webguest33dan333: you need to setup the build environment. that page is one way of doing it
05:05:39webguest33when I setup cygwin a year ago, i followed that proceedure
05:06:18dan333would you be able to give me some help because I am finding the instructions to be very complicated
05:06:54webguest33what do you need help with
05:08:01dan333well I have got cygwin installed but when I type N for normal build I get an error and I don't know what to do
05:08:15webguest33have you setup the build tools yet?
05:08:26webguest33you won't be able to build without them
05:09:08dan333all I have done is follow the instructions on the screen shots page to setup cygwin
05:09:23webguest33what page are you refering to?
05:09:26dan333and that was about running setup.exe
05:10:00dan333hang on I will just get the url
05:11:27dan333i am talking about the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots
05:11:35dan333web page
05:12:28webguest33i don't know what that installs
05:12:38webguest33try typing which arm-elf-gcc into cygwin and see what it says
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05:13:50dan333first it says about selecting one of the websites from that list then what packages to install and about tdding the rockbox site and what packages you need to install from that so do u know what I should do
05:14:15webguest33what did you do?
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05:15:22dan333an setup.exe twice like it said to and installed all the packages that are listed on that page except for the manual stuff
05:15:52webguest33ok
05:16:04webguest33but it seems like your issue now is in figuring out what the cygwin installer does
05:16:18webguest33what happened when you typed which arm-elf-gcc
05:17:05dan333well I can do everything up to selecting normal build once i select normal build i get an error do u want me to send the error i get
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05:18:45webguest33dan333: for the third time, what happened when you ran that command?
05:19:08dan333is the command arm-elf-gcc
05:19:13andrewg867yeah just that
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05:19:38webguest33<webguest33> what happened when you typed which arm-elf-gcc
05:20:00andrewg867oh
05:20:04andrewg867my bad
05:20:08slikerzguys... im new here.. just wanna ask if rockbox functioning on 5.5g 80 gb
05:20:08dan333do i type it as soon as I start cygwin
05:20:15webguest33slikerz: no
05:20:22andrewg867just type 'which arm-elf-gcc' without the quotes
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05:20:31webguest33dan333: type it in to the cygwin command line at any point
05:20:37slikerztnx
05:20:49webguest33its just a normal unix command that will tell you if you've setup the build environment
05:21:31dan333I typed which arm-elf-gcc is that right it said command not found
05:22:00webguest33thats odd
05:22:04webguest33what happens if you just type which
05:22:24dan333so the command is "which arm-elf-gcc" with out the quotes
05:22:34webguest33yes
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05:22:58dan333what directory should I be in
05:23:03andrewg867doesnt matter
05:23:04webguest33it doesn't matter
05:23:14webguest33you aren't interacting with the file system
05:25:08dan333if i just type which i get this message usage: which [-a] command...
05:26:22dan333what was the command that you told me to type first
05:26:50webguest33good so at least you have which
05:27:12dan333ok so what should I do now
05:27:19webguest33i don't understand why you got a command not found though
05:27:42webguest33it should say something like "arm-elf-gcc not found in ..."
05:27:53webguest33then a list of places it looked
05:27:59scorcheit likely is not in his path...
05:28:07webguest33or not installed
05:28:22scorcheeither works
05:28:33webguest33yeah, i wish i could remember how the cygwin installer works
05:28:34dan333t says something about a compiler not in my path so how can I fix that
05:28:48scorcheadd it to your path
05:28:50dan333when I try normal build
05:29:01dan333how do I add it to my path
05:29:31webguest33seems odd to me that cygwin would install it but not put it in your path
05:29:35webguest33my guess is its not installed
05:29:48Soaprockboxdev.sh doesn't add to your path.
05:29:51dan333what path should it be in
05:29:58webguest33regardless, following the instructions you posted above for building the tools will get it work
05:30:11Soapyour path is like your privates, a "special place" only you should touch.
05:30:11webguest33ideally you should use the first method on that page (rockboxdev.sh)
05:30:19webguest33lol
05:30:43dan333is that the path cygwin is in every time u start it
05:31:27webguest33cygwin probably starts in your home directory
05:31:47webguest33the path is just the list of places cygwin/windows/unix/whatever looks when youtype a command
05:31:51dan333ok so where would the compiler be now
05:31:54scorchethat is not the path..
05:32:05webguest33$PATH
05:32:27scorchewebguest33: aye...i was talking to him
05:32:33webguest33oh
05:33:08dan333can I just copy the compiler from where ever it is and paste it
05:33:22webguest33yes, just make sure you get all of it
05:33:29webguest33usuallypeople change the path though
05:33:58dan333so if my home was called dan333 under home would i just put it in there
05:34:15webguest33no
05:34:21webguest33your home is not on the path
05:34:28webguest33generally folders like /bin are
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05:36:11dan333so do i just extract binuitils and gcc to the bin folder
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05:38:36webguest33you mean arm-elf-gcc (assuming ipod)?
05:38:46webguest33regular gcc should already be there
05:38:56dan333i am wanting to compile for the h300
05:39:01webguest33oh
05:39:24webguest33then its probably m68k-elf-gcc
05:39:42dan333ok should they be in there own folder or just all the files just in the bin folder
05:40:41webguest33they have to be in a folder thats on the path
05:40:45webguest33such as bin
05:40:56webguest33have you read the install instructions?
05:41:00dan333and what one do i need for the h300
05:41:01webguest33all of this should be explained in there
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05:42:10dan333hat compiler is for the h300 i think u said before
05:42:49Soapm68k = H300 also
05:43:51dan333were do I get the m68k thing from
05:44:16Soaparm-elf = ipod, sansa, H10, Toshiba. m68k = H100, H300, iAudio.
05:45:13Soapthere is a guide in the wiki for cgywin, both the VMware and coLinux images have the current version already, and you download the source code and run rockboxdev.sh if you want to create a build enviroment on your existing *nix box.
05:45:49dan333i am using windows so what files am i meant to have in the bin folder
05:46:35JdGordonwhat a boring race :p
05:46:40JdGordononly 1 crash :'(
05:47:06webguest33anyone know if there is actual documentatin for the WMA format?
05:47:14webguest33beyond what is in the ffmpeg code?
05:47:47Soap /nick SaratogaWantsToGoIncognito
05:48:00webguest33how do i change nicks anyway?
05:48:10Soapremove the space from the above line
05:48:15Soap(the leading space)
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05:48:35saratogayes
05:48:52saratogai do not understand irc
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05:49:40*Soap points
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05:51:27scorchesaratoga: you can change your name before you even log in with the webclient =/
05:51:44saratogayeah i know, but i forgot to, and then I didn't want to log out since then i'd lose the history
05:52:02JdGordonscorche: time to change the topic?
05:52:04JdGordonwww is back
05:52:14scorcheJdGordon: i guess
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05:54:03Soapmention how RB got SoC and you didn't. nah nah nah
05:54:11scorchemeh
05:54:21Soaptaunt the competition.
05:55:05scorchei am still deciding if i want to become a mentor or not
05:55:30JdGordonyou gte a tshirt!
05:55:36JdGordonhow could you not want tat???!!
05:56:50scorchedo you really?
05:56:55SoapLl should mentor. He could train Damian.
05:57:26scorchehe is mentoring
05:57:31scorcheeven aliask is
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06:06:14daniel1234s the vmware image hard to install and get to work
06:06:25Soapno
06:06:55daniel1234will it work with a screen reader
06:07:40SoapThat question was asked the other night, and I don't think an answer was known. Someone sighted offered to test, I haven't read all of today's logs yet - I don't know how that test went.
06:08:02scorchei think it was aksed by him...
06:08:33Soapsee how stupid I can be?
06:08:44daniel1234if i could find a screen reader for linux would that mean that it would work
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06:09:17scorchedaniel1234: afaik, it should
06:09:29scorcheif you find me one, i can test
06:09:41daniel1234and how would i need to install it
06:09:43Soapdoes the VMware image have working sound through windows?
06:10:02scorcheSoap: aye...simulator uses it, remember?
06:10:23SoapDidn't know if it was a fully-operational battle-station or not.
06:10:38saratogagoogle suggests that you can install a screen reader inside the VM
06:10:45saratogahowever, i don't know how youd do that
06:11:00saratogasince it sounds like the reader on the host machine might have trouble with the VM
06:11:03scorcheapt-get probably...or one could build from source
06:11:16scorcheturn off the host reader temp?
06:11:16saratogawithout being able to see the screen though?
06:11:35scorchewell, as we said earlier, sighted help may be necessary
06:11:40saratogaoh ok
06:12:09scorchedaniel1234: is there a key combination, or something that can toggle the reader you use on windows?
06:12:32saratogahow do screen readers work?
06:12:43saratogaare they just screen scraping whatevers in the active window?
06:12:55scorcheone would assume...
06:13:20scorcheroute the speach to /dev/sound or whatever on windows ;)
06:13:25scorchespeech even
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06:17:03BigMacHey guys, on the vmware image I keep getting the error "You don't appear to have a valid CD-Rom device. If this is a CD-ROM devise, try enabling legacy emulaiton mode"
06:17:11BigMacwhat should I be doing?
06:18:18BigMacI just unclicked the cdrom button and it seems to work
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06:21:36BigMacand it seems to have frozen Now after Journalled Block Device driver loaded
06:26:31daniel1234do u have to install all the packages like cygwin for the vmware image
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06:27:00scorcheno...you just install vmware, then open the image
06:30:15scorchesorry, do my ellipses wreak havok on your screen reader?
06:31:57daniel1234so can u install linux software to use with the vmware image
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06:32:26scorchefor all practical purposes, the vmware image *is* linux
06:32:34scorcheso, generally, yes
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06:33:07daniel1234so for example if I found a linux text editer I could install that
06:33:32scorcheyes
06:33:51daniel1234how do you go about installing stuff on linux
06:34:46scorchewell, that is a bit outside the scope of this channel, but on debian distrobutions, you typically apt-get or build from source
06:35:43scorches/distrobutions/distributions
06:40:39cynicalliberaldon't most linux distros come with a text editor?
06:41:11daniel1234i don't know i was just wondering how to install something but i think it does
06:42:09cynicalliberalI'm not sure about other debian flavors, but with ubuntu you could always use synapetic manager to get dev tools too.
06:42:17jhulstYou can use vi, it is included in every linux distro
06:42:36jhulstpossibly kate if the linux distro has kde on it
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06:44:50daniel1234hey would someone be able to try this screenreader I have found with the vmware image
06:46:08daniel1234if i send the url
06:48:05jhulstdaniel1234: I can probably take try it, I'll at least take a look at it
06:48:28scorcheafaiu, he was just asking as an example...the image already comes with a few editors..
06:48:42daniel1234ok here is the url for it ftp://mirror.services.wisc.edu/mirrors/linux/distributions/speakup/index.html
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06:49:15daniel1234it has instructions for installing but i never installed anything on linux
06:49:45BawitdabaTI sucks :(
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06:56:32jhulstdaniel1234: That reader doesn't look like it is very well supported, I tried installing it on my machine and had some problems
06:56:54jhulstIs the vmware image running kde or gnome or something else?
06:57:22scorcheit runs fluxbox
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07:43:15JdGordonlinuxstb: awake?
07:44:45eulBWhat time is it
07:44:59JdGordon17.44 gmt+11
07:45:17eulBI need help
07:45:26eulBim having trouble with
07:45:40eulBthe theme(s) i want
07:46:01eulBThe text isnt aligning properly
07:46:15JdGordonthey probably need an unofficial version of rockbox
07:46:19eulBand one of the themes wont display the id3 tags
07:46:22JdGordone.g senabs or julius build
07:46:31eulBHow do i get a hold of that
07:46:40JdGordonforums
07:46:53eulBMore digging i suppose
07:46:59amiconnJdGordon: Hmm, regarding your commit y'day - I wonder how the number of menu functions without parameters relates to the number of menu functions with parameter, and what's the absolute number of menu functions without parameter
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07:47:26amiconnPerhaps it would be more efficient to use only one type of function, i.e. the one with parameter?
07:47:33JdGordonprobably
07:47:37JdGordonI was thinking about it today
07:47:51eulBWPJ file is called PJ green
07:48:22JdGordonno, sorry... I was thinking of removing the exit_if variable, which isnt really needed as much as I thought it would be
07:48:46JdGordonbecause its fine to say that if the return value is being checked then only a give set of values is legal for return
07:48:55JdGordon2 funcion types is ok imo
07:49:15eulBJdGordon what topic in the formus should i look in? Can you please point me in the right direction?
07:49:36JdGordoncustom builds
07:49:43eulBthank you
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07:52:54amiconnJdGordon: I am suggesting this because I wonder why this unification increased the binary size. Afaics struct menu_item_ex became one element shorter...
07:53:00olegfinkhi folks
07:53:30JdGordonthe exit_value int in the stuct function I think did it
07:54:08JdGordonIm going to remove that, then commit and see what the size diff is.. if its still way too high we can make it one type, but im hoping that isnt nescaccwery
07:55:28JdGordonstruct menu_item_ex is all mostly enums anyway... so there shouldnt have abeen a decrease there
07:55:34JdGordonunion i mean
07:55:52amiconnWhat does that do, btw? Is it a preparation for using the new system for the context menus?
07:56:19olegfinkThe rumor has it that you support a sort of cowon with tcc767 chip?
07:56:45JdGordonwhat does which do?
07:57:52amiconnexit_value
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07:58:09Bawitdabaanyone know how to get winamp/wmp11 to download coverart for all my mp3cds?
07:58:18Bawitdabaguess thats offtopic of rockbox lol
07:58:20JdGordonif one of the flas was set, you could return that value so do_menu() would quit
07:58:53JdGordonbut seen as 99% of functions didnt set the flag that variable is a waste
07:59:09amiconnHmm, I just found a bug in the settings system
07:59:21JdGordonoh?
07:59:36amiconn'remove background' doesn't persist. After a reboot the background bmp is back
07:59:53amiconn(on X5)
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08:00:25JdGordonok, that needs a settings_save then
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08:01:14JdGordonwhich menu is that setting in?
08:01:39JdGordondw, found it
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08:04:37JdGordonanyone know how to install a custom bootloader with sansatool?
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08:13:19eulBJdGordon: Im going to reinstall rockbox where can i get the boot loader?
08:13:40JdGordonthe wiki?
08:13:52JdGordonseen as you never said which target you had thats the best answer i can give
08:14:26eulBipod video?
08:15:40eulBDefine "target"
08:23:06amiconnJdGordon: RED
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08:23:35JdGordonreclaimed most of the delta tho, so thats good :)
08:23:54JdGordon... or half
08:24:32amiconnMore like 40%, but still good
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08:31:47aliask"Your membership in the mailing list rockbox-dev has been disabled due to excessive bounces" <−− anyone know what that's about?
08:33:01JdGordonyou left your computer on the trampooline again?
08:33:48aliaskCould be. Actually - I recently started hanging my computer from springs, could that be it?
08:33:58JdGordonmust be
08:34:11hcsunderdamped, sorry
08:34:15JdGordonor... might be to do with the mail server being upgraded?
08:34:28aliaskDid anyone else get one?
08:34:43JdGordonnot i
08:35:15amiconnJdGordon: What's the difference (regarding the required code) between a fixed default value and one which requires a function call?
08:35:42amiconnAnd is there any other function-dependent default value othe rthan the archos recorder default contrast?
08:36:18amiconnI am asking because I had an idea how to get rid of the hw-dependent default contrast at the UI level
08:36:39JdGordonumm... not really sure what you mean by the first bit, but the code is usefull anyway, but yeah, I tihnk thats the only setting needing it
08:36:43amiconnInstead, lcd_set_contrast() could handle the offset, just limiting the range a bit
08:37:37JdGordonbrb
08:41:46JdGordonamiconn: hmm.. i dont tihnk any code is actually there for the function dependant values
08:42:47JdGordonah no, it is
08:44:07Bawitdabaanyone know of a good coverart downloader for mp3cds
08:45:35JdGordonholy cow the yellow in rockboxed on the e200 is horrible :D
08:45:42amiconnJdGordon: Even when this code is available, I think it would be better to handle the contrast offset in the driver (why did nobody have this idea before??)
08:46:09amiconnIt would hide the hardware difference (which isn't really relevant to the user) from the ui
08:46:25JdGordonof course
08:46:46amiconnIt would just limit the settable contrast range a bit
08:47:08amiconn...but that's not problematic, since the range of actually *usable* values is much smaller anyway
08:47:19JdGordoncant remember who.. but there was talk about redoing the whole backlight timeout system to just use a seconds value instead of stupid indexes like it is now....
08:47:37amiconnYes, but that's another thing
08:47:56JdGordonor more specifically.. the driver would accept any value and the ui would choose which to allow the user to set
08:48:01JdGordonthey would be independant
08:48:05amiconnyes
08:48:56amiconnBacklight didn't see much target tree work either
08:49:13amiconnThere's a lot left to do. Powermgmt is even worse
08:49:37amiconnBut I really want to do some lcd work first
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08:50:15JdGordondo you have enough idea how viewports should work that you could wiki it so someone could code it?
08:50:37*JdGordon had some fun ideas overnight about what can be done with them
08:50:54amiconnI still think that actually coding it will be easier than describing my ideas
08:51:04amiconnOf course I should, and will, document the api
08:51:24JdGordonok, so we'll just wait then :p
08:57:50EnR_Nanyone here use the Itunes DB to Tagcache converter?
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09:03:24amiconnJdGordon: Do the menu return values have fixed meanings? If so, they should use a #define (or even an enum) instead of just literals
09:03:53JdGordonyou mean from functions?
09:03:54amiconnreturn 1; is a lot less descriptive than e.g. return MENU_EXIT;
09:03:56amiconnyes
09:04:08JdGordon1 is the only value that means anything atm..
09:04:20JdGordonthere are 4 defines at the end of menu.h which might get used
09:07:50jhMikeSJdGordon: Here and there
09:08:07JdGordondw, replied in the thread
09:10:01jhMikeSin light of that, I think it's safe to commit the swap changes. I've been beating the heck out of it for awhile and it's all working nicely. fixes some obscure bugs too.
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09:14:49amiconnjhMikeS: Hmm, there is a question that bugs me regarding the eventual switch to speex for voice: Does speex use malloc? And if so, how could that be handled?
09:16:08jhMikeSI don't know if it does, but I thought a header extension for voiceable codecs could tell it how much space is needed and we just allocate that amount. Actually putting on other codecs should be little problem.
09:17:01jhMikeSOr maybe just have it call back with config data when loaded like the encoder do :\
09:17:32amiconnI don't know whether that helps
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09:17:59amiconnI'm not talking about malloc'ing on startup, that kind should be easily replaceable by static buffer
09:18:30jhMikeSno, malloc_buf is setup in when initializing
09:18:35amiconnBut afaik there are some codecs (e.g. tremor) which malloc as they go
09:18:37jhMikeSthe audio buffer
09:18:53amiconnI mean codec startup
09:19:20amiconnIirc there was a problem with tremor and long tracks, that the malloc buffer became full
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09:21:16jhMikeSright...it's a problem that way. you'd need a swap buffer the size of the largest of the codecs needs
09:23:09jhMikeS...or give up the 512K again when voice is enabled...but that will not be there with voice disabled. It's not like the situations gotten worse.
09:23:28amiconnNope, that has nothing to do with memswap
09:23:42amiconnIt rather has to do with codecs needing malloc or not
09:24:05jhMikeS?? I understand quite well what it's about :)
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09:24:50amiconnI don't know how much each codec needs, but maybe it would be a good idea to give up the separate malloc buffer and use the rest of the codec ram for this codec's malloc?
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09:25:32amiconnThis would automatically ensure that each codec keeps its malloc'ed buffers even with codec swapping
09:25:42jhMikeSyes
09:26:37jhMikeSSounds like a good idea. Think we'll have to make more room for tremor in the basic buffer?
09:28:01amiconnI don't know, it probably depends on the malloc implementation
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09:28:22thewhoJdGordon: ping
09:28:26amiconnOur simple malloc has no free(), but iirc tremor got a somewhat more sophisticated solution recently
09:28:50amiconn...by tomal, because the iFP doesn't have much ram to waste
09:28:54jhMikeSI didn't see it the codec lib so must be buried inside it somewhere
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09:29:45jhMikeSand it works there?
09:31:25amiconnapps/codecs/Tremor/oggmalloc.c
09:32:51amiconnStill rather simple...
09:35:50jhMikeSlooks rather like another stack
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09:43:16jhMikeSwhat about freeing the stuff that gets copied to iram at startup or was that done already?
09:47:30Bagderwith two dual-core cpus in the new server, it should become a fine new build server...
09:48:04Bagderdue to happens "soon"
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09:49:48jhMikeSbuilds ready in 30seconds now
09:50:04Bagderbtw, neuros was also accepted by gsoc
09:50:16Bagderhttp://code.google.com/soc/neuros/about.html
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09:54:03scorcheBagder: so why do we keep the forums on a different server?
09:54:18Bagderbecause Jeff runs/admins them
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09:54:26Bagderon his request
09:54:38Bagderwhen he gave us the domain...
09:54:46scorcheah...alright
09:55:08Bagderand personally I'm fine not having to admin that
09:55:34scorchei just hear the loveliness of the new server and remember the slowdowns that happen to the forums
09:55:54Bagderwell, the new server still has some pretty lousy bandwidth
09:56:08Bagderhopefully soon addressed too
09:57:17Bagderthere's a planned 2 => 10mbit bump
09:57:27scorchein upload?
09:57:33Bagderboth ways
09:58:02scorcheit was previously a 2 mb symmetrical?
09:58:14scorchewell, currently
09:58:15Bagderit is right now
09:58:17Bagderyes
09:58:58scorchewill that affect the forums server as well? (i forget the location of that server)
09:59:03Bagderno
09:59:08Bagderthe forums are located in the US
09:59:19Bagderfaaaar from here
09:59:59scorcheah...alright
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10:07:08daniel1234when I install the vmware image where do i extract the Rockbox VMware image
10:07:13daniel1234to
10:07:19scorcheanywhere you wish
10:08:01daniel1234and where do I install the other thing for it i think it is vmware player
10:08:22scorcheto the typical program directory...the default if you wish
10:08:53daniel1234do i need to launch the vmware player thing to run it
10:09:01daniel1234from a short cut
10:09:15scorcheyou dont have to from a shortcut, but that is the easiest
10:09:44daniel1234ok when I open it up will it just be like linux
10:09:57scorchepretty much
10:10:20daniel1234ok so can I install any linux software I want
10:10:40scorchefor the most part, yes
10:11:55SlasherijhMikeS: now i got playback quite stable on cop, had to fix the synchronous queues in scheduler too
10:12:06scorchefor anyone looking for an iriver H10 20GB: http://www.woot.com/
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10:17:56jhMikeSSlasheri: glad to hear it works...those worried me a bit with a COP
10:19:14jhMikeSwhat was the main issue there if everything was running on a single core?
10:19:29SlasherijhMikeS: but recording still needs to be fixed.. probably i will let that for you :)
10:19:53jhMikeSSlasheri: you didn't just try putting pcmrec on the COP too?
10:19:54SlasherijhMikeS: scheduler and adding those NOCACHE attributes
10:20:04Slasheriand starting pcm playback outside cop
10:20:24SlasherijhMikeS: havent tried yet. i could send you a patch soon
10:20:46jhMikeSI can't test any cop stuff since I don't have one in any device
10:20:56Slasherioh..
10:21:03Bagderbtw
10:21:19Bagderthe mutex is not COP safe, according to our anonymous friend
10:21:20jhMikeSUnless I totally somehow missed that Gigabeat has one :P
10:21:57SlasheriBagder: the locking mechanism should be cop safe (if that one instruction is not interrupted by other core)
10:21:58jhMikeSBagder: issue? the mutex isn't nocache?
10:22:18Slasherithose cache things are already fixed in scheduler
10:22:28BagderI have a rather long email on the issue I could forward you
10:22:28Slasheriand i have added locking to critical functions also
10:22:47jhMikeSbut what about the mutex structure itself? shouldn't that be nocache too?
10:23:13SlasherijhMikeS: yes, surely it needs to be
10:23:41Slasherithe current scheduler in svn is not cop safe in any way
10:23:58jhMikeSpossible to attribute the data _type_ with it instead of every declaration?
10:24:29Slasherihmm, not sure if data type is enough
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10:24:45Slasheribetter to define it for every mutex declaration is core safety is required
10:24:49Slasheri*if
10:24:50ShaunESWhy does rockbox keep crashing on my 4th gen 40gig iPod? It makes me :(
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10:25:05ShaunESI have to wait for it to drain the batteries, I can't do shit when it freezes.
10:25:48ShaunESMakes me super :(
10:26:02BagderSlasheri: I sent you the mail
10:26:11Slasherinow playback works without problems on COP and ui is fast. But still worried about possible fs corruption and other issues
10:26:15SlasheriBagder: great
10:26:16Bagdercouldn't find jhMikeS' address right now ;-)
10:26:37jhMikeSheh! :P
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10:28:47ShaunESOK, another iPod question. Is there a way to charge it without having it boot into apple firmware?
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10:30:02scorcheShaunES: read the FAQ
10:30:16Zagordoes anyone know what's up with gmail? they are bouncing everything with "user over quota". lots of rockbox list subscribers have been removed due to that.
10:30:20ShaunESOh.
10:30:22ShaunESI SMRT.
10:31:11JdGordonZagor: aliask was complainng about beign dropped before
10:31:58ZagorJdGordon: he's not alone. i'd say 50 or more people have been removed
10:32:09JdGordon:(
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10:32:21ShaunESWhat on earth...
10:32:33JdGordonBagder: do you know if there is any experimenting that can be done to get the lcd working on the sansa better?
10:33:12scorcheZagor: i use gmail, but i havent been removed yet, afais
10:35:38BagderJdGordon: as I understand it, it is due to us not knowing properly when the screen update is completed, but I'm not really the one to ask about sansa lcd driver details
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10:36:26JdGordonok, ill wait for barry then I guess
10:36:33Bagderbbl
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10:43:11daniel1234ok so how do i start the vmware image once it is inswtinstalled
10:44:08JdGordonhmm.... why is usb_detect() called before usb_init() in bootloader/main.c?
10:44:24JdGordon... in main()
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10:46:09JdGordonand iriver_h300.c
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10:52:19daniel1234ok so how do i start the vmware image once it is inswdo i install vmware player or the rockbox image thing to use the vmware image to compile rockbox
10:53:03daniel1234do i install the vmware player first or the rockbox image thing to be able to compile rockbox with the vmware image
10:53:28bluebrotheryou install the player. Then open the image with the player
10:55:46daniel1234ok thanks
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11:00:56daniel1234i am installing vmware player and it says this Your machine currently has CD-ROM autorun enabled. Autorun can have unexpected
11:00:57daniel1234interactions with virtual machines.
11:00:57daniel1234Do you want to disable autorun now?
11:01:08daniel1234 what should I choose yes or no
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11:04:33daniel1234what happens if I disable cd-rom auto run does anyone know
11:04:59scorchei would choose no, as that would change things on your host computer which could affect one that is blind
11:05:07scorchepersonally, i choose no anyway
11:06:06daniel1234will anything get messed up if i choose no like booting
11:06:14scorcheno
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11:07:17markunHow can I see the SoC applicants? The SoC site is pretty confusing to me.
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11:08:50johnzornso whats the timeframe for an ipod 80g video port? the apple firmware is atrocious...
11:09:31markunjohnzorn: there is no timeframe
11:09:32linuxstb__JdGordon: You can install a custom bootloader with "sansapatcher -a PP5022.mi4"
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11:09:45scorchejohnzorn: we dont give out timeframes...it gets done when it gets done
11:09:53JdGordonthanks, figured that out a while ago by looking at the code :)
11:10:11linuxstb__OK, good :)
11:10:23linuxstb__Or sansapatcher −−help would have told you :)
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11:11:03daniel1234if I install the vmware player now and tomorrow I extract the rockbx thing will it still work
11:11:05JdGordonthe add-bootloader confused me a bit... I didnt realise that replaces the rockbox bootloader with the newone...
11:11:10daniel1234rockbox
11:11:51linuxstb__JdGordon: Yes, I can't think of a word which means "add a bootloader if there isn't one, or replace the existing one if there is already one there"
11:12:23JdGordoninstall?
11:12:41JdGordonor upgrade?
11:13:02daniel1234if i install the vmware player now and extract the rockbox image tomorrow will everything work fine
11:13:36linuxstb__"install" would work... But I'm not sure I want to change it now - at the moment it uses the same options as ipodpatcher.
11:13:50scorchedaniel1234: yes...you just cannont use the VMware Player without an image
11:13:52markunso, nobody knows how to see the SoC applicants?
11:14:01linuxstb__JdGordon: But I assume it's working fine installing and reinstalling bootloaders for you?
11:14:26JdGordonyep
11:14:33JdGordonused it about a dozen times already today :)
11:14:40daniel1234ok and will the computer boot as normal
11:15:24linuxstb__Any more Sansa E200 users around wanting to test sansapatcher?
11:15:28scorchedaniel1234: of course...it is only an application after all
11:15:55*JdGordon got OF-on-usb booting working :)
11:15:58linuxstb__Linux, Windows and Mac OS X binaries here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip - just run it and follow the prompts.
11:16:00JdGordonnot very nicley tho...
11:16:04daniel1234so it is like linux in just 1 application
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11:16:26scorchedaniel1234: it is more like linux in a window
11:16:51amiconnJdGordon: Afaik the problem with lcd update on sansa is that it is asynchronous. We need to wait for the lcd dma to complete before returning from lcd_update(), but we don't know how to do that yet
11:17:20daniel1234do u know where i could find instructions on how to install applications on linux so i can install this screenreader i have found
11:17:49JdGordonis there any brute force bit checking that can be done to figure that out that only needs someone to sit through?
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11:19:12JdGordonlinuxstb__: I keep getting "cant load from partition, bad checksum when booting the OF... ?
11:19:46linuxstb__JdGordon: What I would try is to read all the LCD registers immediately after starting an update, then wait for a reasonable time (e.g. 50ms), then read them again and compare. But I have no idea what registers to try, or if someone has already attempted that.
11:20:16linuxstb__JdGordon: Sounds like the OF is corrupted... Did this just happen?
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11:20:57JdGordonno, its been happening more often than not all day.. i tihnk it finally loads /System/OF.mi4
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11:21:49JdGordonthis verbose bootloader is irritating :p
11:22:01linuxstb__Is that with the SVN bootloader, or your custom builds?
11:22:15JdGordoncustom, oh it gets OF.bin eventually
11:26:20linuxstb__Can you check that the OF starts from the firmware partition when using the bootloader built into sansapatcher?
11:26:39JdGordonok, in a min...
11:28:17JdGordonverbose mode is only if right is held, doesnt seem to like left and right being held together :p
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11:30:26ashridahwell, it's been three long years. i have a nasty feeling my iriver's finally died :(
11:31:13JdGordondoes jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/sansa.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/sansa.patch look ok?
11:32:38JdGordonlinuxstb__: no, it loaded OF.bin with the inbuilt loader
11:33:06JdGordon2nd time it worked tho
11:33:39JdGordonand 3rd time
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11:34:43linuxstb__JdGordon: OK, best to talk to barrywardell about the OF problems - if that's not working reliably, then we can't release sansapatcher - people who install with sansapatcher won't have the OF.bin or OF.mi4 files.
11:35:03JdGordonrighto
11:35:37JdGordonyou rekon to check the LCD_REG_* defines in lcd-e200.c before and after and lcd_update? or toher ones?
11:35:44JdGordonother*
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11:36:00linuxstb__I don't know - I don't know that code at all.
11:36:10JdGordonok
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11:36:19*JdGordon summons barry!
11:36:42linuxstb__But it will probably be the same (or similar) registers used to initiate the DMA transfer.
11:37:29pixelmaHi... since there are no logs from yesterday I don't know if it's already been mentiond but solitaire is broken (probably on all Archos) - I guess since the audio playback menu commit...
11:37:48JdGordonbroken how?
11:37:50linuxstb__No, I don't think anyone has mentioned it...
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11:38:38pixelma...when I select "play" in the menu I get: I04: IllInstr at 091F9B68
11:39:40pixelmadoesn't matter if music is playing or not - ironically it seems that the audio playback menu works fine
11:40:33LearI've played solitaire (on an h140) after the playback menu was added, so it doesn't affect all platforms.
11:40:47pixelmamaybe all hwcodec?
11:40:50JdGordonpressing play in the menu?
11:41:00*JdGordon has suspisionc...
11:41:01pixelmain the game menu
11:41:49pixelmai.e. "startt game"
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11:42:14pixelmastart, too
11:43:18JdGordondoes this effect other plugins with the playback menu?
11:44:21pixelmasudoku works fine
11:45:18pixelma(but it already comes up with a game - you don't have to start it 'manually')
11:46:42pixelmadon't know of any other plugin with an audio playback menu on Archos (was removed for Archos 'cause it has to stop music anyways)
11:47:39JdGordonshould play in the menu accept the selection like right?
11:48:58pixelmayeah this happens when I press "right" - just noticed that I get the same result when I press "left"
11:50:12pixelmathere are other things to select with pressing "right" like "draw one card/three cards" ... these are ok
11:50:44JdGordonok, trying something....
11:50:58JdGordonstupid thing is crashing gdb so at least i can reproduc it here
11:51:07JdGordonits a menu bug, not a playback menu one
11:52:18pixelmahmm might be - haven't noticed before but then I don't play too often
11:54:19JdGordonits crashing in utf8decode() tho :( so maybe its not
11:55:03pixelmaI just wonder why it affects only "start game" and probably only on Archos
11:55:36JdGordoni doubt wither of those statements are correct....
11:58:09JdGordonpixelma: well... just to make sure... can you comment out the audio_playback parts of the menu? or compile with a patch i can throw together?
11:58:48JdGordonbah... buffer overflow!
11:58:50pixelmano can't do that here -> not at home, no build environment here
11:58:52JdGordonno wonder its failing
11:59:32JdGordonwhoever did the commit missed a 5 that needed to be changed :p
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12:00:32pixelmaI think midkay committed it
12:01:11pixelmathanks for looking into it :)
12:01:30JdGordonall fixed
12:02:13*JdGordon goes back to playing with the sansa :p
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12:02:24pixelmahave fun :)
12:03:18pixelmanow lunch bbl
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12:15:38*JdGordon wishes to kill the drongo @ sansa who thought a stop button isnt needed!
12:16:02crashdlol, drongo
12:16:07crashdi take it you're an antipodean ;)
12:16:26scorchewe just went through drongo a few months back!
12:16:49JdGordonbetter than some of the other words i coulda used
12:17:12*scorche is still attempting to figure out the evolution of "arvo"
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12:24:47Shaidstrewth!
12:25:40JdGordonok.. everyone... 1...2...3... BARRY!!!!
12:25:53JdGordonif we all do it together he might hear... :p
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12:38:37bluebrotherthe ipods don't have a stop button too ... ;-)
12:39:18JdGordoni know, stupid bloody things :p
12:40:16bluebrotherafter using Rockbox on the ipod for a while I think it isn't needed too much
12:40:44WIILDreally?
12:40:47JdGordoncept to stop playback...
12:40:56JdGordonwhich is really only needed when your debugging :p
12:40:58WIILDipods suck on my opinion
12:41:11JdGordonthey suck __on_ your opinion?
12:41:15JdGordoninteresting.....
12:41:23WIILDi couldn't think...
12:41:23bluebrotherI compared the sound of h120 and ipod mini and was shocked how bad the mini sounds
12:41:55*bluebrother remembers he wanted to do something with the sim buttons
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12:42:11bluebrother... but still 2 month left until more time
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12:52:42JdGordonamiconn: I checked the 10 LCD_REG's before and after an lcd update (after a HZ break) and the only one than changes is #5 which is always either 0x3e and 0x2000003e... is that at all useful?
12:53:28amiconnI don't know
12:53:45JdGordonok
12:53:58JdGordonhey, why can the fire plugin do such smooth updates?
12:56:41linuxstbJdGordon: I don't understand what you're saying about LCD_REG_5 - what is it when you start the update, and what is it after you wait a little?
12:56:41*amiconn spots some fixes for bugs discovered by his addition of pritf-style format checking :)
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13:33:25chrisjs169I think there may be a bug in the way Rockbox finds out how much battery power is left (on the Sansa e200 series)
13:34:13JdGordonfailry likely
13:36:08chrisjs169well, I let my Sansa charge last night (on OF of course) and about half an hour after I switched to Rockbox, it says the battery is low, while the OF reports ~75% left
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13:40:25iwantanimacDoes Barry Wardells's latest commit to the H10/e200 bootloader is actually changing the bootloader, so i need a new one to use old builds?
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13:41:59bluebrotherstrange. Seems gmail bounced a couple of list mails to my account.
13:44:23iwantanimacRE: My previous question, anyone?
13:45:51pixelmanls: thanks :)
13:51:16JdGordoniwantanimac: why do you want to use an older rockbox?
13:51:29bluebrotheriwantanimac, I'm pretty sure you won't need a new bootloader for older builds −− they worked with an older bootloader, didn't they?
13:52:17linuxstbYes, the new bootloader works with older rockbox builds.
13:52:27iwantanimacwell i don't i'm just wondering, and no, older builds didnt work on the previous bootloader, as there was some new way of doing it to get dualboot working...
13:53:28linuxstbiwantanimac: The version of the bootloader committed a couple of days ago broke backwards compatibility, but that's been reinstated now.
13:53:48iwantanimacah. okay. thanks for the clarification.
13:54:38linuxstbBut the idea is to change Rockbox builds in the near future, and that will require the new version of the bootloader. But for an interim period, the old bootloader will still work.
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13:55:52iwantanimacwhat exactly is it that'll be chaning that'll need that?
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14:00:52chrisjs169someone mentioned yesterday that the current sansa e200 bootloader only displays text if there's a problem....i'm guessing that excludes the bootloader freezing?
14:01:17iwantanimaclikely, yes.
14:01:45chrisjs169yeah, that's sorta what i noticed
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14:08:11linuxstbiwantanimac: The main Rockbox binary will change to being in .mi4 format.
14:09:19iwantanimacoh. why change it?
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14:10:42linuxstbiwantanimac: So it's consistent with all other firmware files you use on the Sansa. This will be useful when rolo is working.
14:11:26iwantanimacoh, so rolo will load .mi4 files?
14:11:35linuxstbYes.
14:11:49iwantanimaccool.
14:13:27pixelmaJdGordon: solatiare ( :P ) works fine now :)
14:13:45JdGordongreat
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14:16:16JdGordondoes anyone know why fire and plasma can do fast smooth lcd updates but the wps and chopper cant on the sansa?
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14:17:42chrisjs169don't forget xobox on the sansa
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14:18:38MoosJdGordon: hi, IIRC you always touched text editor (then know the code a bit), do you know what can let's CPU boosted after usage? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6845
14:18:45chrisjs169JdGordon: I think it's the rate at which it has to refresh....in plasma, press Play/Pause a few times
14:19:43Moos*always/already
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14:19:53JdGordonhmm... that bug looks bad :p
14:20:18Moosyeah :) cpu boost at count 268, amazing
14:22:04JdGordonhmm... cpu_boost is called excessivly often :p
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14:22:44Moosindeed
14:23:23JdGordonfound the bug tho
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14:27:06MoosJdGordon: that was quick :-)
14:27:18JdGordonyeah, had the unboost after a continue in the loop
14:27:25JdGordonwonder why it took so long to be found :)
14:27:58Mooshehe :)
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14:30:39JdGordonchrisjs169: fire doesnt seem to pause between redraws... and is very smooth
14:32:06amiconnfire probably appears smooth because the frame-to-frame changes are small
14:32:35amiconn...and the frame calculation takes time, so probably covers the lcd dma
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14:33:51chrisjs169JdGordon: i had mentioned plasma, not fire :)
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14:34:05JdGordonplasma is smooth also
14:35:40chrisjs169did you press the play/pause button a few times?
14:35:52JdGordonyeah, still was smooth
14:36:00JdGordonnothing near as bad as in the list
14:36:05JdGordonor wps
14:36:33LearHm, maybe I should commit that ";" -> ":" bookmark separator patch...
14:36:58chrisjs169yeah, but it starts to get somewhat noticeable after pressing play/pause three times (in plasma)
14:37:28*JdGordon thinks it still looks smooth then
14:37:37chrisjs169lol
14:38:24chrisjs169maybe it's just my sansa/build, as i notice a slight difference
14:40:08bluebrotherLear, why not use a tab character instead?
14:40:27LearLooks ugly in an editor? :)
14:40:37Lear":" is not allowed in a FAT(32) filename anyway...
14:40:42bluebrotherwho opens bookmark files in an editor anyway?
14:42:36chrisjs169i'll see if i can get a screendump of plasma
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14:47:30JdGordon:'( it seems to be freezing trying to load the OF now
14:47:46JdGordonah, nope... just me being impatient
14:48:23chrisjs169here's a screendump of what happens to plasma (on mine) - http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5980/dump070318084428dz4.png
14:49:08*JdGordon loves how the sansa screen goes pink then red then black when it freezes :D
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14:51:14chrisjs169yeah, mine usually just goes straight to red though, depending on what pink is classified as
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15:28:37chrisjs169hi
15:29:23ArnoOSomeone use rockbox with Sansa e200 ?
15:29:42chrisjs169yup, i do
15:29:57Juice^yes i do
15:30:04ArnoOok
15:30:09ArnoOAre you using linux ?
15:30:19linuxstbchrisjs169: Did you ever work out what was happening with the "Writing." message your Sansa was displaying? Were there any ill-effects by just disconnecting it?
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15:30:20chrisjs169I can switch over to linux
15:30:22Juice^not at the moment
15:30:27ArnoOok
15:30:36Lloreanlinuxstb: "Writing" after running Sansapatcher?
15:30:39ArnoOBecause i can see the player when i plug it
15:30:41ArnoO:/
15:30:56linuxstbLlorean: Yes, I think so.
15:31:01ArnoOUnder windows it's ok ?
15:31:02chrisjs169linuxstb: I didn't try just disconnecting it, as if it did have a problem, the OF would freeze while refreshing the database
15:31:14Lloreanlinuxstb: There were no ill effects on mine if I told windows to eject while it said "Writing." Windows would still safely eject it, and it won't on a device that's busy
15:31:20Juice^ArnoO: sansa cannot be accessed as a drive when rockbox is running, the usb functions are not implemented.. is that it?
15:31:28ArnoOoh ok
15:31:33ArnoOIt will be i think ?
15:31:51Juice^I would love to have that option.
15:31:51linuxstbLlorean: OK. Do you think a note about that is needed in the Windows section of the instructions? I think chrisjs169 said it didn't happen from Linux.
15:31:55Lloreanlinuxstb: The "Writing" message is just something the Sansa does in response to some sort of message Windows sends it, it's not the real status of the disk. I think Bagder mentioned that on his, while transferring files from Linux, the writing never came up (or behaved strangely) as well.
15:32:28chrisjs169linuxstb: Yeah, like Llorean, Windows safely ejects it without a problem
15:32:40linuxstbBTW, there's a "SansaE200InstallBeta" wiki page where the instructions are being devised...
15:33:32linuxstbLlorean: The "release-candidate" of sansapatcher is here if you want to run it through its paces - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip (binaries for Linux/win32/Mac)
15:33:36Lloreanlinuxstb: Yes, some sort of note about how it's normal, and as long as windows allows you to safely eject there will be no problem.
15:34:03ArnoOThe battery level is wrong too, no?
15:35:17chrisjs169the battery level does indeed have some kind of bug in it
15:35:24linuxstbLlorean: jdGordon mentioned problems with the OF not reliably being loaded from the firmware partition (sometimes it's loaded from OF.bin or OF.mi4). Could you see if you experience that?
15:35:27ArnoOok
15:35:47ArnoOAnd there is an another solution expect remove the battery to reboot my sansa when rockbox crash ?
15:36:01chrisjs169press and hold power/menu for 15 seconds
15:36:22chrisjs169it's a hardware based power off, so it'll work regardless of what happens (even on the OF)
15:36:50Lloreanlinuxstb: Alright, I'll see what it's doing on mine then.
15:37:29ArnoOok
15:37:34chrisjs169linuxstb: you may want to add in the 'Bootloader installation from windows' section that sansapatcher must be run from the command prompt, not by double clicking on it
15:37:46chrisjs169(assuming they use the exe)
15:37:49ArnoOWhat theme are you using?
15:38:24Lloreanlinuxstb: How is he noticing it load the OF from file vs partition? He doesn't have one so it errors?
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15:45:31Lloreanchrisjs169: What gave you the impression it had to be run from the command prompt?
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15:46:25Lloreanlinuxstb: It seems to boot the OF reliably (for me), though there's a bit of strange LCD behaviour. It clears white before booting (OF or Rockbox, though Rockbox comes quickly enough you don't notice) and sometimes after clearing White, while waiting for the OF it fades to purple and then black in a very strange way (and still boots the OF)
15:47:45chrisjs169Llorean: sorry, my mistake....yesterday when I tried it it had to be run from the command prompt
15:48:06chrisjs169I guess the windows binary was updated :P
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15:57:08chrisjs169linuxstb: I added my user to the group 'disk' and executed Sansapatcher without sudo, and it continues to be unable to detect the Sansa
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16:01:07linuxstbDid you logout and back in again?
16:01:38linuxstbTyping "groups" will tell you the groups you're in, and you can compare that with the device node (e.g. /dev/sda) assigned to your E200.
16:01:40chrisjs169oh xD now it works
16:01:47chrisjs169I had to logout
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16:05:21chrisjs169Think I may have a bug
16:06:30chrisjs169I just need to test it again
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16:10:41chrisjs169Hmm
16:10:59chrisjs169even with the included PP5022.mi4 file removed, it still uninstalls/installs the bootloader
16:11:04Nico_Pi'm looking for testers for my new WPS code
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16:11:38chrisjs169Nico_P: for what player?
16:11:45Nico_Pchrisjs169: any
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16:11:54Lloreanchrisjs169: The bootloader is embedded in the .exe
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16:12:40chrisjs169Llorean: I was actually referring the the linux binary, but in either case, what's the point in having that extra file? Just in case the patcher doesn't work?
16:13:28Nico_Plinuxstb: would you be willing to try it ?
16:13:46Nico_Pi'm particularly interested in boost ratios
16:14:11chrisjs169Nico_P: I can try it on my Sansa
16:14:48Nico_Pchrisjs169: do you know about boost ratio ? do you have tracks that skip ?
16:15:03chrisjs169both no =/
16:15:29Lloreanchrisjs169: I think the extra binary is there so that other functions of the program can be tested as well. I'm not really sure. Or maybe so you can restore the old-style bootloader (Is it the old-style one?) after you're done playing.
16:15:57LloreanNico_P: Is your new WPS code likely to improve WPS drawing performance, or just loading?
16:16:12Nico_PLlorean: drawing especially
16:16:16Nico_Ploading i'm not sure
16:16:46Nico_Pmy main goal was to do as little as possible when drawing the WPS
16:16:56LloreanAh
16:17:02chrisjs169Llorean: the mi4 is the Rockbox firmware, which makes it a little odd
16:17:16Lloreanchrisjs169: Well yes, that's why I called it a "bootloader". :-P
16:17:24Nico_PLlorean: also i wanted a cleaner code and i hoped for smaller binsize
16:17:35Nico_Psadly, binsize seems to be about the same
16:17:37Lloreanchrisjs169: What I was saying is that maybe it's the old-style bootloader that loads OF.bin, rather than the in-partition OF.
16:17:49chrisjs169Llorean: ah, ok
16:17:53Lloreanchrisjs169: Though I haven't looked at it, so this is just hypothetical.
16:18:26Lloreanchrisjs169: It could also just be there for testing the -a feature of sansapatcher.
16:18:59chrisjs169Llorean: ah, that's probably why
16:19:11LloreanNico_P: Well, performance increase without significant binsize change wouldn't be bad either.
16:19:35Nico_P:)
16:19:54Nico_Pthat's why i'm looking for testers with "weaker" targets than my gigabeat
16:20:05LloreanYeah, not much you can notice on the gigabeat. :)
16:20:06Nico_Pit's hard to notice a performance increase on that one
16:20:55Nico_Pactually it does feel a little smoother but that's probably my imagination
16:21:24LloreanProbably, since for a while we ran the Gigabeat (we think) at 100mhz and it still never needed to boost. ;)
16:21:38LloreanAssuming the clock speed was changed properly (battery life was actually slightly worse according to some tests)
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16:22:48Nico_PLlorean: would you have time to test on an ipod ?
16:23:00linuxstbchrisjs169: The PP5024.mi4 file included in the ZIP is just the bootloader which is embedded inside sansapatcher - you only need the executable for your platform.
16:23:19linuxstbNico_P: How can you measure the boost ratio? The boost ratio is only shown in the Audio debug screen...
16:23:41Nico_Plinuxstb: good point :)
16:23:49Lloreanlinuxstb: Did JDGordon say how to reproduce, or how he noticed, the loading of an on-disk OF.bin?
16:23:58LloreanOr attempt to load, or whatever?
16:24:01chrisjs169linuxstb: Ah, ok
16:24:28linuxstbLlorean: I think it told him - maybe he was holding the RIGHT button.
16:24:37Nico_Plinuxstb: at least it should be easy to load the default WPS and see if there's less sipping
16:24:41Lloreanlinuxstb: I tried holding Right and couldn't get any text output at all. =/
16:24:45Nico_Por other WPSs for that matter
16:24:55linuxstbLlorean: You could try renaming your OF.bin and see what happens. You can then restore it from within Rockbox if you have problems.
16:25:00Nico_Palso I'm not sure all WPSs work
16:25:11Lloreanlinuxstb: I removed my OF.bin, and it still boots regularly. I was hoping for a "Can't find OF.bin" message. :)
16:25:19LloreanBoots the OF regularly, I mean.
16:25:58LloreanNico_P: Make a TSR plugin that keeps track of the boost ratio much like battery_bench tracks voltage, then go straight from the plugin to WPS, leave it there for a few hours, then check its log. :-P
16:26:10LloreanOf course, then boost ratio would have to be active outside the debug screen.
16:26:36Nico_PLlorean: what a brilliant idea !! it's so simple i wonder why I didn't think of it before :)
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16:26:55Nico_Pand so easy to code too
16:27:17Stalwart/topic Long topic
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16:27:52linuxstbNico_P: I predict a lot of broken patches if your WPS code is committed...
16:28:07Nico_Plinuxstb: yes
16:28:18Nico_Pi still hope to commit it :)
16:28:35linuxstbSure - that won't be a reason for it not being committed.
16:28:55Nico_Plinuxstb: do you have time for a little testing ?
16:29:09LloreanNico_P: Well, I never thought of it before either, so it works out. :)
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16:29:51linuxstbNico_P: Not immediately. I also don't have any WPSs, or any files on my ipod which aren't FLAC... But I'll try and give it a go later.
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16:30:28barrywardellhi
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16:30:39barrywardellany news on sansapatcher?
16:31:08Lloreanbarrywardell: linuxstb's most recent one works great for me, at least (with the exception of the bootloader clearing the screen to white, and then sometimes fading to purple then black, for some strange reason)
16:31:17linuxstbI gave up waiting for you to build a bootloader, and built one myself - the bootloader and sansapatcher binaries are here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip
16:31:46barrywardelllinuxstb: I built one for you last night. did you not get my message?
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16:31:54linuxstbNo...
16:32:02barrywardellweird
16:32:46linuxstbI was possibly logged in from two computers at the same time, and you msg'ed the wrong me.
16:33:42barrywardellthat might have been it. oh well, it's here anyway: barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/PP5022.mi4">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/PP5022.mi4
16:34:18barrywardellbut you probably have the exact same one yourself
16:34:33linuxstbmd5 sums are different...
16:34:37Lloreanbarrywardell, linuxstb: Any idea why the bootloader clears the screen to white before loading OF or Rockbox?
16:34:47*linuxstb has no idea
16:34:54barrywardellLlorean: it must be in the init somewhere
16:35:11barrywardellthe bootloader doesn't do any lcd_update() at all unless there's an error
16:35:17Lloreanbarrywardell: Half the time, once it clears to white it fades to purple, and then black (not every pixel fades at the same rate), but the OF still boots.
16:35:19linuxstbMaybe avoid calling the lcd_init unless lcd_update is needed?
16:35:56barrywardellthat could work. but it would be nicer to find the cause of the problem
16:36:06LloreanIt's the purple fade that really bothers me.
16:36:11linuxstbbarrywardell: Also, JdGordon reported some inconsistency in loading the OF from the partition, but he was also experimenting with his own bootloader, so best to ask him for the details.
16:36:17LloreanIt looks like something has gone horribly wrong, and right before you panic, the OF finally decides to boot.
16:36:37barrywardellprobably something to do with the fact that it's asynchronous with dma
16:37:03barrywardellpity there's no irc logs from yesterday
16:37:11StalwartNico_P: i have nano and want to test
16:37:21Nico_PStalwart: cool
16:37:24barrywardelli assume that's because of the webserver changeover?
16:37:29Nico_PStalwart: can you patch ?
16:37:39StalwartNico_P: is it only optimizations or some fancy features too?
16:37:55StalwartNico_P: i don't want to set toolchain, can you build pack for me?
16:37:58LloreanNico_P: Have you come up with a way to test yet? Remember "WPS doesn't show in debug screen"? :-P
16:38:10chrisjs169i hate windows.....explorer got terminated and it won't restart
16:38:11Nico_PStalwart: optimization, no new features. I can build for you
16:38:36Nico_PLlorean: for no i'll just rely on "more or less skipping" :)
16:38:36StalwartNico_P: build please
16:38:42Nico_PStalwart: ok
16:38:56Stalwartbtw, i never had skipping on rockbox
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16:39:11Nico_PStalwart: even with the default WPS ?
16:39:12Stalwarti had on original firmware 1.1 for nano
16:39:29StalwartNico_P: yes
16:39:34Nico_Pah
16:39:53Stalwartand after dualcore stuff commit rockbox is fast as fuck
16:40:09barrywardellis there any reason why the sprintf-like functions don't support precision so that we can set the max string length?
16:40:17Nico_PLlorean: i probably misunderstood the boost ratio in the debug screen... it isn't updated when the audio thread screen isn't shown ?
16:41:31barrywardelland does this look like an OK way to add the functionality: http://pastebin.ca/400195?
16:41:35Nico_PStalwart: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox.zip
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16:44:14LloreanNico_P: I'm not sure, but I think the audio screen just keeps track of time boosted, time not boosted, and computes a ratio over time as long as the screen is shown, but it's not tracked when it's not.
16:44:33Nico_Pah
16:44:58LloreanNico_P: So all a plugin really needs to know is whether the CPU is boosted or not, and then keep track of the time in each state. :)
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16:45:33Nico_Phmm
16:45:37StalwartNico_P: i downloaded, now upgrading ipod and will check in few minutes
16:45:51Nico_PLlorean: i might be better off doing some profiling
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16:45:57LloreanNico_P: That could work too.
16:45:57Nico_PStalwart: ok, cool
16:46:12bluebrotherchrisjs169, you can restart explorer from the task manager
16:46:31bluebrotherI sometimes even kill explorer.exe on purpose
16:46:35linuxstbNico_P: Maybe you could keep track of the time boosted and unboosted in the core cpu_boost() function - and just display those values somewhere (maybe in a new WPS tag).
16:46:47chrisjs169bluebrother: I know, but I had this bright idea of selecting to have the explorer windows open in a new process
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16:47:09chrisjs169starting explorer from the task manager opens up My Documents
16:47:22bluebrotheryou still can restart it. You just need to kill all other instances first
16:47:27chrisjs169I did
16:47:28bluebrotherincluding internet explorer
16:47:32chrisjs169I don't use IE
16:47:34chrisjs169lol
16:47:48chrisjs169So, I log out, go to log in again, Windows BSOD's
16:47:54chrisjs169So I'm in Ubuntu
16:48:05Soap##windows is the channel
16:48:06bluebrotherhehe
16:48:07*chrisjs169 notices how off topic this just got
16:49:11chrisjs169I think I have a bad stick of memory in my computer....it's always trying to read from memory when it BSOD's
16:50:44StalwartNico_P: works fine
16:50:46Stalwartflac + default theme - no skips
16:51:24Stalwartno skips with my fav. iCatcher too
16:51:24Nico_PStalwart: apparently flac is not CPU hungry enough
16:51:35Stalwarti can test with .mpc
16:51:55Nico_PStalwart: I'm hoping to get less skips when they were some with an official build
16:52:04Juice^the battery section in debug for the sansa cannot be exited back to rockbox menus, it requires an forced shutdown.. is this known, could it be a bug?
16:52:31Soap.mpc isn't hungry enough either
16:52:31Nico_PStalwart: so you'd need something that used to skip with an SVN build
16:52:46Soaplike mp3 and multiple bands of EQ
16:52:49StalwartNico_P: nothing skipped with recent svns =\
16:52:54Soapbull
16:53:04Soap5 bands of eq and mp3 doesn't skip?
16:53:18Soapif not add crossfeed, dithering, or peakmeters.
16:53:24Stalwartghm
16:53:29Stalwartwait a bit, i'll do
16:54:06Nico_PStalwart: ideally, you should try the same config with SVN and my build to see if they are differences
16:55:12Stalwartwoops, i got this sucker to skip a little bit
16:55:40bluebrotherwow. My mini must be special
16:55:55Nico_Pbluebrother: you get a lot of skipping ?
16:56:11bluebrotherno, I get no skipping :)
16:56:14smolynhey does anyone know what the most recent stableish build for a nano 1g is? i've been trying stuff from the 15th onwards and I can't seem to get it to play anything. it won't play anything, and whats weirder is that it has a lot of problems reading id3 tags from most of the files. Sometimes it even just says "File not there"
16:56:18Stalwarteq + gain + crossfeed + dithering == yea, tracks pays a wee bit slower than ususal
16:56:34bluebrotherused "Pop" preset, and default wps with peak meters
16:56:49bluebrotherthe peak meters get sluggish as hell and boost ratio stays at 100%
16:56:55Nico_PStalwart: could you test the same thing with an SVN buid ?
16:56:57bluebrothereven scrolling gets laggy
16:57:18Stalwartyup, boost is always 100
16:57:24bluebrotherbut no skips
16:57:25StalwartNico_P: yes, wait a bit
16:57:34Stalwartghm, i changed track and now it doesn't skip
16:57:38Juice^creepy, i edit lots of advanced eq settings, now it sounds like the artist is singing inside of the center of my brain!
16:57:54StalwartJuice^: that's called crossfeed
16:58:03bluebrotherI should enable crossfeed too ;-)
16:58:08Juice^Stalwart: ok .. :) its creepy
16:58:24Stalwartshit
16:58:35Stalwartrockbox skips only on certain :Wumpscut: tracks
16:58:49Stalwartbut they have heavy psychoacoustics
16:58:54bluebrotherok. Skips when crossfeed and dithering also enabled
16:58:57Soapcrossfeed should _prevent_ the soundstage sounding as if it is the center of your head.
16:59:12smolyni orignally formatted the partition manually in linux, made sure it was FAT32, did I mess up some of the settings perhaps?
16:59:18Soapit should simulate listening to speakers, not headphones.
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17:00:20Soapsmolyn: when your nano boots, and you see the text during the boot process, is it black text on a light blue background or white text on a black background (I mean before you get to the Main Menu)
17:00:51*Stalwart downgrades to svn
17:00:52bluebrotherwow. Farnell website down for a "scheduled system upgrade" for more than 24h now :(
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17:00:56smolynblack on blue
17:01:12Soapsmolyn: your problem is you are using the old bootloader.
17:01:23SoapYou should check out the manual and install the new bootloader.
17:01:50smolynah crappity. thanks. yeah i installed it from the manual instructions just last week but I must have downloaded the wrong thing. i'll give it a do-over
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17:02:45Stalwartshiiiit
17:03:05Stalwartwith vanilla svn (w/o Nico_P's patch) i can hardly navigate menu
17:03:34StalwartNico_P: your code IS faster
17:03:39Nico_P:)
17:03:52Stalwartpeak meters update @ ~0.5 fps
17:04:12Nico_PI'm going to try a bit of profiling
17:04:45Juice^Nico_P: without a doubt, its faster than the current svn.. i switched back to your build now :)
17:05:55Stalwarton settings i usually use vanilla doesn't skip, but with everything enabled Nico_P's code blows away current implementation
17:05:57Juice^Nico_P: strange .. now the volume adjustment was laggy with your build too
17:06:17Nico_PJuice^: maybe it's related to boost
17:06:30Juice^Nico_P: maby
17:06:36linuxstbchrisjs169: (I've just read your last forum post) - afaik, mpegplayer runs on the Sansa.
17:06:49chrisjs169it does?
17:06:56Juice^yes mpegplayer runs on my sansa
17:07:10linuxstbIt has done since before audio support...
17:07:18chrisjs169Weird, i don't even see it on mine...
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17:07:22Nico_Plinuxstb: the docs say "Make sure that the functions of interest will be compiled with the PROFILE_OPTS added to their CFLAGS"... how do i do that ?
17:07:38smolynhrm i downloaded the latest ipodpatcher and ran it but i still get the old bootloader (black on blue text still)
17:07:49Juice^Anyone knows if usb charge is working for the sansa?
17:08:37linuxstbchrisjs169 - It's a viewer - you launch it by selecting a .mpg file in the file browser, not via the Browse Plugins menu.
17:08:52chrisjs169ah, mpg....that explains it :P
17:09:39chrisjs169I haven't been on the forums in a while, so I need to catch up on what all has been done
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17:10:10chrisjs169What's up with the forums?
17:10:26chrisjs169The database seems to be messed up...
17:10:45chrisjs169or was...
17:12:08Nico_Pprofiling only works on m68k :(
17:12:12Nico_Pcan I profile on sim ?
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17:20:43Stalwartmaybe i'm evil, but i like reading forum threads about device bricking and debricking
17:21:26Stalwarti like my nano for being totally unbrickable by reformatting flash
17:22:17linuxstbBy definition, you can't "debrick" something..
17:23:12Stalwartconverting boiled cpu to badge is kind of debricking :D
17:23:34Nico_Plinuxstb: could you give me a hand with the profiling ?
17:23:43linuxstbSorry, I've never used it...
17:24:08Nico_Plinuxstb: maybe you know ho I can "Make sure that the functions of interest will be compiled with the PROFILE_OPTS added to their CFLAGS" ?
17:28:37linuxstbI think most profiling so far has been with the codecs - so that would have meant just adding that option to the Makefile in the code subdirectory. I'm not sure what's needed if you only want to profile some of the core functions.
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17:35:05Nico_PI can't build
17:35:35Nico_PI think I'll go with a boost tag
17:40:27chrisjs169I know this is usually rather hard to answer, but does anyone have an estimate as to when there will be USB support on the Sansa?
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17:44:46Lloreanchrisjs169: It's more like "Impossible" to answer.
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17:44:59chrisjs169Llorean: ok
17:45:27Lloreanchrisjs169: The iPods have gone over a year now depending on the original firmware for USB support, and if you include iPodLinux, quite some time longer than that. And the Sansa is in the same boat as the iPod, to an extent.
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17:45:46chrisjs169Llorean: ok
17:46:10NBentonIs there anyway to boot Rockbox faster? Like to skip the Apple logo before Rockbox boots?
17:46:44linuxstbYou can remove the Apple firmware from your ipod's firmware partition.
17:47:59linuxstbYou can read about ipodpatcher and the ipod boot process a little here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher
17:48:03bluebrotherthat will require to update the firmware partition every time you update rockbox, right?
17:48:45linuxstbNo, you can put the Rockbox bootloader in the firmware partition by itself.
17:48:50linuxstb(i.e. without appleos)
17:49:26linuxstbEven faster booting can be achieved if you don't use the bootloader at all, and just put Rockbox there - and in that case, you need to do it every time you upgrade Rockbox.
17:49:49bluebrotherah, ok.
17:50:27NBentonSo in order to remove the apple logo every time I turn on my iPod, it would require me to remove the AppleOS completely?
17:50:32bluebrotherbut when writing to bootloader to the firmware partition you can still boot OF using the apple_os.ipod method, right?
17:50:34linuxstbThe standard install attaches the bootloader to the end of the Apple OS image, which means both are loaded to RAM together on boot.
17:51:16linuxstbNBenton: You can't remove the Apple logo - that's displayed by the Apple bootloader which is safe in flash ROM. But you can reduce the amount of time it is displayed for.
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17:51:36linuxstbbluebrother: Yes.
17:51:46bluebrothernice.
17:51:53*bluebrother considers doing this
17:51:58linuxstbOr hopefully at some time in the future, with rolo
17:52:32NBentonlinuxstb: I would adjust the amount of time it displays with?
17:52:43NBentonI appreciate your help. I hate being the newbie at something.
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17:53:20linuxstbNBenton: When the ipod is turned on, the Apple bootloader (in flash ROM) is run. This displays the Apple logo (without backlight), and then loads the firmware stored on disk in the firmware partition.
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17:54:07linuxstbNBenton: When you have Rockbox installed, the firmware the Apple bootloader loads is a combination of both the Rockbox bootloader (about 50KB) and the Apple firmware (about 5MB). As soon as this is loaded to RAM, the Rockbox bootloader is started, which turns the backlight on (but leaves the Apple logo there).
17:54:11webguest39hi there... i have a quick question: how do i dualboot on the jukebox recorder v1?
17:54:34linuxstbThe Rockbox bootloader then starts Rockbox itself, and it's Rockbox itself which displays the Rockbox logo.
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17:54:56linuxstbNBenton: So the way to reduce boottime is to remove the 5MB worth of AppleOS from the disk partition.
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17:55:18bluebrotherhmm. Ipodpatcher can't write the embedded bootloader to the firmware partition itself?
17:55:35linuxstbwebguest39: I think you just select the ".ajz" file containing the original firmware from the Rockbox file browser.
17:55:46NBentonThank you, linuxstb.
17:56:12webguest39ah okay thank you ...will try this
17:56:14linuxstbbluebrother: No... It should be trivial to add, but I haven't done it. You can download the bootloader from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ though.
17:56:34Lloreanwebguest39: Out of curiosity, why are you wanting to dual boot?
17:56:52bluebrotherthanks, I know that ... was just a bit unsure if it's correct it doesn't do that
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17:58:31webguest39llorean: hehe i don't want it but i'm just asking because a friend of mine who hasn't tested rockbox yet feels better if he can...hopefully not for long;)
17:58:47LloreanAh, I was wondering if the Recorders still had something Rockbox doesn't do.
17:58:56LloreanI would think "Yes you can uninstall it" would've been more than enough anyway. ;)
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17:59:35webguest39he says recording with the OF is really annoying
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18:00:08TheSphinX^linuxstb: pleas look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6814 before commit
18:01:27NBentonlol
18:01:36NBentonI just tried playing a gameboy rom with rockbox.
18:01:48NBentonThat's pretty niffty. The music is choppy but it's niffty.
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18:03:47mattzzAnybody happens to know the difference between ADC_BVDD and ADC_VBAT on sansa?
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18:06:55barrywardell_mattzz: according to the datasheet, BVDD checks the battery voltage of 4V LiIo accumulator
18:07:10barrywardell_while VBAT checks the single cell battery voltage
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18:07:42mattzzbarrywardell_: hm, what is the difference then?
18:07:54mattzzbarrywardell_: BVDD matters for sansa?
18:08:11barrywardell_BVDD seems to be the battery voltage the OF reads
18:08:29linuxstbTheSphinX^: Sorry, too late....
18:08:51*TheSphinX^ linuxstb diesn't matter
18:09:01mattzzbarrywardell_: ok. just checking if I could fix the wrong battery reading on the sansa...
18:09:30barrywardell_what do you mean by wrong?
18:09:51mattzzbarrywardell_: sansa says 5% where OF says nearly full
18:10:07mattzzs/sansa/rockbox/
18:10:08barrywardell_ah yes, ok
18:10:54barrywardell_what we need to do is find what voltage is read when the battery is full, at 90%, 80%, ...0%
18:11:04linuxstbTheSphinX^: Regarding displaying the volume when changing it, I think mpegplayer needs a proper overlayed display for information like that, which also correctly handles the rotated screens (Sansa and Gigabeat).
18:11:36mattzzbarrywardell_: sounds like a battery-bench run to me
18:11:36*TheSphinX^ linuxstb ok
18:11:40barrywardell_and then feed that data into apps/powermgmt.c
18:12:01barrywardell_mattzz: exactly. although you might need to disable the low battery power off
18:12:26barrywardell_mattzz: by setting battery_level_dangerous and battery_level_shutoff to be 0
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18:12:32mattzzbarrywardell_: Alrighty....
18:12:44mattzzbarrywardell_: no c skill needed for that one ;-)
18:12:57linuxstbTheSphinX^: I have a work-in-progress patch which should improve A/V sync in mpegplayer - it's working well on my gigabeat, but is corrupting the audio on my ipod, so I can't commit yet. Do you mind testing it on your X5?
18:13:27*TheSphinX^ linuxstb yes
18:13:29linuxstbhttp://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpegplayer-avsync.diff
18:14:54barrywardell_mattzz: once you have the results, post a patch or even just the battery bench file and i'd be glad to update the code
18:15:34linuxstbbarrywardell_: What do you think about the new bootloader and sansapatcher? Are you going to investigate the LCD issues, or are you happy to release as it is?
18:15:40mattzzbarrywardell_: is BATT_LPCS355385 confirmed for sansa e200?
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18:19:03barrywardell_linuxstb: there are just two problems left
18:19:22barrywardell_1) the lcd issue. I'll try your suggestion of just not doing the init unless we have to update
18:20:40barrywardell_2) printf doesn't support precision in the format, so it currently prints the model and type strings with extra characters at the end
18:21:19barrywardell_mattzz: that's almost definitely wrong. that battery is used in the H10, so it was probably just copied for the sansa
18:21:55barrywardell_the sansa has a Li-Ion battery which has different voltage characteristics to LiPoly batteries
18:22:13*mattzz is just dismantling his sansa...
18:23:02barrywardell_linuxstb: for 2, I have a patch for the sprintf functions http://pastebin.ca/400195
18:23:47mattzzbarrywardell_: yep, makes perfectly sense...
18:25:21mattzzfor the archive: sansa battery it reads p/n 54-57-00046
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18:26:23barrywardell_mattzz: that matches what Bagder's sansa has: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/pics/
18:27:09nlsand this http://www.auctionlogistix.com/showimages.htm?img=http://208.52.132.65/auctionlogistix/images/54-5700046b.jpg :_)
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18:31:25lImbushi all
18:31:39Seedhi
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18:32:28lImbuswientapper back to project ?
18:32:47mattzz_lImbus: yep
18:32:52lImbusnice
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18:34:41barrywardell_linuxstb: there's also 3) occasionally the checksum fails. according to JdGordan it happens every time after usb
18:35:04barrywardell_linuxstb: so I'd say there is a little more work to be done before the bootloader is ready
18:35:06mattzz_barrywardell_: never mind - found it ;-=
18:35:41*TheSphinX^ linuxstb the audio comes a few seconds bevore the video with your patch
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18:41:27*TheSphinX^ linuxstb and change "rb->splash(0,true,"mpeg2_init failed");" to "rb->splash(0,"mpeg2_init failed");" ;)
18:42:27lImbusDoes anyone know which of the rockbox-compatible hardwares (I own) support monitoring of line in while playing back/radio ?
18:42:57lImbusThe devices with line in I own are OndioFM, recV1 and H320
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18:44:02lImbusI'm thinking of a kind of talkover mode: When another device connected to line in plays back something (like navigation instructions), rockbox would pause playback
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18:46:56amiconnlImbus: Hehe, this is a special feature of rockbox on the archos player (only, afaik)
18:47:18nlslImbus: i _think_ jhMikeS mentioned the h100 and h300 being technically able to playback and record at the same time... not supported in rockbox (yet) tho
18:47:45amiconnTechnically it should be possible on all targets capable of recording
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18:48:03lImbusI know archos can bypass/slope in line-in. What I want is to monitor line-in so I can pause playback.
18:48:21amiconnnls: For voice-over, just analog bypass mixing is enough.
18:48:35jhMikeSnls: preglow and I have plugins already that do it :)
18:48:43lImbusaha ?
18:48:58nlsjhMikeS: nice, (not that I ever record but hey :-))
18:49:19lImbusjhMikeS ? jetheadMikeSevakis ?
18:49:22lImbusnice nick imho
18:49:32jhMikeSyes :)
18:49:54lImbusso you got a plugin that does playback and recording at the same time ?
18:49:57andrewg867I think I fixed the Rockbox Sansa sound volume
18:50:20barrywardell_andrewg867: what did you have to do?
18:50:29jhMikeSlImbus: a couple
18:50:30andrewg867I changed some init values
18:50:44jhMikeSreally primitive stuff just for testing
18:51:16lImbusjhMikeS, one of them easy to change to do somehing Id like to do?
18:51:32andrewg867I increased the DAC -> mixer level, turned off the speaker over current timeout, and disabled the Headphone Common Mode buffer
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18:52:05andrewg867it doesn't cut out at maximum volume and is pretty loud at -9dB
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18:52:10jhMikeSlImbus: you could stop playback based on overal audio level, sure
18:52:21lImbus?
18:52:28_Amblinandrew: It isnt as loud as before, but it doesnt cut out anymore..
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18:52:54jhMikeSlImbus: I think you wanted to monitor line in and pause playback
18:53:01lImbusI want rockbox to play musik unless the tomtom navigator is playing an instruction.
18:53:04andrewg867_Amblin: it's a lot louder than before
18:53:12lImbusafter tomtom is done, rockbox resumes
18:53:25_Amblinandrew:Oh? My ears must be going bad...
18:53:26jhMikeSright, that's about how it would be done I think. basically triggering
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18:53:55lImbusbut why overal audio level
18:54:10lImbusI dont want to get the pause triggered by a loud passage in the mp3-file
18:54:11jhMikeSShort term level really
18:54:38barrywardell_andrewg867: great. I gotta go now, but post a patch to flyspray and I'll have a look tomorrow
18:54:45lImbusok, if you say its possible on h300, ill try it out.
18:54:57jhMikeSyes, all coldfire
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18:55:16_AmblinAh...
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18:55:42lImbusmy h300 has a bad battery anyway, and the new bootloader will allow me to have it in my car with good old car adapter mode
18:56:10jhMikeSThough I haven't actually debugged independently stopping and starting playback and recording yet....just making it do both at once.
18:56:12_AmblinDoes anyone know if the e200 will charge through USB in Rockbox?
18:56:14lImbusany example plugin where I could start tryouts ?
18:56:38jhMikeScan dig one up and pastebin it
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18:56:59lImbusnice, tnx
18:57:04lImbusor mail, if you want
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18:58:43andrewg867_Amblin: when your talking about the volume are you just using the svn Rockbox?
18:59:17_Amblinandrew: I loaded yesterday's latest build, and thought your fix had already been applied.
18:59:27jhMikeShttp://www.pastebin.ca/400412
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19:00:02andrewg867_Amblin: I didn't publish any changes yet
19:02:37andrewg867I was just playing around with changes to different values on the AS3514
19:02:51linuxstbTheSphinX^afk: Have you enabled the Limit FPS and Skip Frames options, and what FPS is your video encoded at?
19:03:37lImbusjhMikeS, thanks got it. Now I only have to find out what it's supposed to do :)
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19:07:53andrewg867could someone add me into the TWiki Users Group, my username is AndrewGreen, thanks :)
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19:08:43TheSphinX^Limit FPS: Yes
19:08:43TheSphinX^Skip Frames: No
19:08:43TheSphinX^testet with http://mikachu.rockbox.org/elephantsdream-q6-160x128-287kbps.mpg
19:08:47TheSphinX^linuxstb:
19:08:52jhMikeSlImbus: it's just does a ringmod effect. It's absurdly low latency for testing purposes. You won't need that for what you're doing and can follow a more pcm_record style.
19:09:43lImbusI figured out it does some modulation, although I don't know ringmod.
19:10:22linuxstbTheSphinX^: mpegplayer can only decode that file at 18fps on the X5 according to the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - so there is no way it can be played in sync. Enabling Skip Frames may possibly help though.
19:10:39jhMikeSringmod = amplitude modulation
19:10:54lImbusso kind of distorsion ?
19:12:18jhMikeSno...distortion is more saturation
19:12:33jhMikeSIt multiplies the audio signal by a sine wave
19:12:50lImbusok, so it sounds like a wah-wah
19:13:17jhMikeSthat's another thing entirely. this sound more like a robot sound or something if you talk into it
19:13:49lImbusokay
19:13:57lImbusgotta try it out first then :)
19:14:40jhMikeSpcm_apply_settings should have the parameter removed...it's (void) now
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19:17:58Moosandrewg867: done
19:18:07lImbusI just noticed I've got no valid sdk at the moment...
19:18:33jhMikeSlImbus: I think that API should be stable now though
19:18:40XavierGrscorche: the best topic I remember was: Rockbox! Coolest firmware around.
19:18:58TheSphinX^linuxstb: limit: on | skip: on -> sync, but sometimes skips extremly; limit off | skip on -> video before audio (some ms) // vote for!
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19:23:35Nico_PI still need someone to help me test my WPS code...
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19:24:09Nico_Psomeone with a target that has frequency scaling
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19:25:07andrewg867Moos: you comitted the changes?
19:25:31andrewg867*committed
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19:25:44Moosuh?? you are in the list now, yeah
19:26:25andrewg867oh, haha thanks
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19:26:31Moosnp
19:26:33andrewg867I was confused for a sec
19:26:54Moosyeah not notified cause minor change but you are in ;)
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19:29:43*TheSphinX^ linuxstb testet again with #FS5995 ,too ; limit on | skip on -> sync (23.9fps); limit off | skip on -> sync(up to 24.1fps)
19:32:33amiconnBagder: r u there?
19:33:07amiconnnvm, found the info I was looking for
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20:06:01linuxstbTheSphinX^: Are you still testing with the Elephants Dream video that decodes at 18fps?
20:06:45TheSphinX^yes
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20:07:45linuxstbThat's not really a realistic test - you need to be using files that the X5 can decode in realtime.
20:07:54acathla'soir
20:08:11TheSphinX^ok, i reencode it
20:08:41linuxstbOr try the 16:9 version - the wiki page says that decodes at 25fps, which is faster than the file's 24fps framerate.
20:09:07TheSphinX^ok
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20:45:23stripwaxhey all, quick question. other than 'because it hasn't been done yet', is there a reason why sim targets (e.g. ipod video sim) don't have rtc support?
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20:49:44Bawitdabais ipod 5.5 80gb supported now?
20:51:43TheSphinX^linuxstb tried with the 16:9 version, limit on, skip off -> perfectly sync
20:52:11peturBawitdaba: not yet I think
20:52:33Bawitdabaah dam
20:52:37Bawitdabai just ordered one
20:52:43stripwaxBawitdaba - not quite yet. Here's the thread. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.0
20:52:49Bawitdabaguess ill have to ruff out the itunes junk for a bit
20:53:11Bawitdabayeah i saw that
20:53:18Bawitdababut it was from feb 10th or something
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20:54:06Bawitdabawith rockbox when u plug usb into ipod it just comes up as a drive letter right and u can drag/drop mp3s to it?
20:54:16LloreanBawitdaba: Yes, and nothing new has been said because the overall situation hasn't changed. It's still being worked on, and it's still not done.
20:54:17Bawitdabamass storage device
20:54:21stripwaxBawitdaba - yes
20:54:25Bawitdabasweet
20:54:43Bawitdabasall good long as they are doing it
20:54:54Bawitdabarockbox ftw
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21:14:55linuxstbTheSphinX^: Thanks. Now I just need to try and work out why I'm breaking audio on the ipods..
21:16:03*TheSphinX^ linuxstb, im happy with your patch at my build and hope, that it will be possible for all players
21:16:15linuxstbstripwax: The sims look like that have rtc support - at least the rtc_read_datetime() function is implemented (uisimulator/common/stubs.c)
21:17:36linuxstbstripwax: Although for some reason, it looks like it's disabled in the sim for the ipodvideo (but not other targets). You could try just changing config-ipodvideo.h and see if it works.
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21:37:04bluebrotherhmm. Can the wiki show side-by-side diffs? Might be useful for tables.
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21:38:07stripwaxlinuxstb - trying that now. I think it failed to build with that change but I'll poke about anyway
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21:45:05linuxstbstripwax: It looks like it works if you enable CONFIG_RTC for the sim, but HAVE_RTC_ALARM needs to be moved to the end of the config file - in the #ifndef SIMULATOR section.
21:50:34stripwaxlinuxstb - ah, right. can that change be made in svn
21:51:35linuxstbYes, I'm just about to do it.
21:51:44linuxstbIt applies to all ipods.
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21:53:05stripwaxlinuxstb - fab, thanks!
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21:54:58linuxstbstripwax: Committed. Fingers crossed for a green build table...
21:55:50*linuxstb should have compiled a bootloader build....
21:59:46linuxstbpreglow: Around?
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22:00:40Mooslinuxstb: sure you canot beat the yesterday amconn's score :)
22:00:44Marty_Suse_hi
22:02:17linuxstbMoos: No, but I'll get two warnings for every ipod bootloader... Fixing now.
22:02:30Moos:-)
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22:48:18Soap /clear
22:56:16amiconn/falied ;)
22:56:35Juice^ /failed ;]
22:56:56Juice^or make that a /spell :D
22:57:17Juice^funny things going on here.. a bit quiet
22:57:33Juice^nice to see that people are coming up with wps's for the sansa
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23:12:12ootputhi guys, did any of you guys get itrip (dock connector) to work with rockbox & ipod?
23:14:47Juice^Someone should remap the keys for the image viewer, the scroll on sansa is so unstable with the rockbox code, it cannot ever be the keys that is next and previous, it easily scrolls by a few pics a time, and sometimes that will take ages for the actual photo to load because its preloading others will its scrolling .. maby the scroll could be the zoom or something
23:15:03Juice^I could proably remap it myself, but my cygwin is not being friendly
23:16:11Soapinstead of remapping keys to work around the problem, scroll instability should be addressed, eh?
23:16:25LloreanI was about to say, wouldn't the proper solution be "Make scrolling work right"?
23:16:52Juice^indeed... if someone could do that, it would be fantastic
23:18:01linuxstbHow does scrolling work on the Sansa? I can't tell from a photo...
23:18:45Lloreanlinuxstb: It's a raised mechanical wheel, you just rotate it. The motions are basically identical to the iPod, except your thumb's moving a wheel instead of sliding on a pad.
23:19:19linuxstbSo it physically rotates?
23:19:25LloreanYes
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23:31:11Alias777hey
23:31:22Alias777any plans for the 30GB creative zen vision M?
23:31:32Alias777ive been reading the thread, nothing concrete yet :(
23:32:06LloreanAlias777: If you've been reading the thread, you know how far they've come
23:32:55Alias777which is exactly 0?
23:33:03Alias777and the thread is locked so i can't help or anything..
23:33:46LloreanThe Creative Zen Vision: M thread is not locked
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23:39:43pixelmanls: maybe people confuse the swedish name of the month in your forum post about voice files with the name of the planet ;)
23:41:42nlspixelma: right, I will edit, was a bit hungover this morning :-)
23:41:59pixelmahehe :)
23:43:22Mode"#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
23:43:46Topic"gmail users who subscriber to rockbox mails: check your subscription status" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
23:43:54Topic"gmail users who subscribe to rockbox mails: check your subscription status" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
23:44:22Alias777so
23:44:23LloreanBagder: It's sent me emails twice telling me that it's gotten to many bounces from me and made me confirm my desire to stay subscribed. Do you know what's causing this? Is there something my end I need to look at?
23:44:25Alias777guys
23:44:28pearldiverwould be nice to get rid of Warning: Low Battery Shut Down message on gigabeat target when shutting down yourself with battery running low
23:44:33Alias777what MP3 player would you recommend for me...
23:44:33*bluebrother got mails to reenable his list subscriptions
23:44:42BagderLlorean: gmail seems to have gone crazy
23:44:46LloreanAh
23:44:49Bagderit has bounced hundreds of mails
23:44:52Alias777im thinking race between Create Zen Vision M and ipod 5th...
23:44:59Bagdersaying they are over quota
23:45:06Alias777ipod has rockbox, huge plus, but the faddishness of it disturbs me
23:45:09nlsBagder: how do i check?
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23:45:17Alias777vision m looks good but no alternate firmware
23:45:25Alias777what do you suggest?
23:45:38linuxstbAre you looking to buy an mp3 player?
23:45:59Bagdernls: check your latest mail received with the latest available in the archive perhaps
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23:46:10bluebrothernls, gmail shows the actual usage at the bottom (or are you referring to something else?)
23:46:21aliaskBagder: Is there any point resubscribing to the mailing lists? Or will I just be booted again?
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23:46:26BagderI doubt these people actually are above 2GB
23:46:37Bagderaliask: I don't know!
23:46:40Nico_PAlias777: I suggest a gigabeat
23:46:42*bluebrother is even below 200MB
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23:46:57aliaskI guess I'll just resubscribe and see what happens...
23:47:03nlsBagder, bluebrother: I get it, I was under the impression that i needed to check a box on some page somwhere?
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23:47:05LloreanBagder: I was bounced a second time, about a day later.
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23:47:32*linuxstb would also recommend the gigabeat, at least in preference to an ipod
23:47:43Bagdernls: if you're still subscribed you can check your subscription status on cool.haxx.se
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23:47:54BagderI mean to change options etc
23:48:01LloreanBagder: gmail says I'm using 5% of my total space, so whatever "quota" it refers to probably isn't space unless there's a crazy math error.
23:48:32Bagderwe got like a hundred bounces at once
23:48:40nlsBagder: page not found :-(
23:48:56Bagderwe got another gsoc application
23:49:26linuxstbYou mean another form to complete?
23:49:29bluebrotherwhat exactly means "Please do not submit bug reports for very early Rockbox target ports!"?
23:49:32nlsanyway I got the latest mails, but I'm only on the dev list and not on the regular
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23:49:41Bagderwe got another student who submitted a project idea
23:49:46bluebrother"early" in the sense of "targets that just have been started working on"?
23:49:54Nico_PBagder: how many do you have ?
23:49:59nlsbluebrother: yes
23:50:05BagderNico_P: two so far
23:50:06Nico_PI'm still pondering wether I should apply
23:50:12Lloreanbluebrother: It used to mean "Anything that's not in the 'Release' state, but now seems to mean 'Anything that doesn't yet have audio, or on any feature that is listed as incomplete such as mpegplayer' I think"
23:50:21bluebrotherhmm. Why do people submit bugs for new ports like the sansa?
23:50:28nlslike reporting that the sansa didn't have sound before it was implemented etc...
23:50:49nlsbecause people do not read instructions?
23:50:57bluebrotherI guess the two sansa bugs simply are missing adjustments ...
23:51:04bluebrother*sic* right.
23:51:16aliaskBagder: What projects have they elected to code?
23:51:26Nico_PBagder: have the applicants come here ?
23:51:35Bagderone of them are desowin
23:51:48Bagderwho's around here regularly
23:52:35bluebrotherBagder, could we add a link to the tracker guidelines at the top of the tracker page?
23:52:50Bagderyeah, we should
23:53:58bluebrotherLlorean, closed two times ;-)
23:54:22bluebrotherbtw, any plans updating to the new version of FS?
23:54:33 Quit midgey ()
23:56:45XavierGrgah I can't imagine the WPS beeing a plugin, very weird idea....
23:57:16Bagderthe wps compiler would be, not the actual wps, as I read it
23:57:24LloreanXavierGr: The WPS wouldn't be a plugin, but the conversion from the current WPS code to a bytecode or some other simpler to use in-core form would be
23:58:04XavierGrthen my response in the dev ml is quite off :(
23:58:07Nico_Pwith my code, it would mean moving the parser to a plugin
23:58:19 Quit bagawk ("leaving")
23:58:22XavierGrbut still...
23:58:33Nico_Pcould be done quite easily i think

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