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#rockbox log for 2007-03-23

00:00:06preglowi discovered rockbox while browsing misticriver for further news, i think
00:00:22n17ikh|LappyI really wanted an H120 back when they were new, and then the day I decided I wanted one I went to buy one and they had switched to the H3xx series
00:00:25linuxstbThey said that? :)
00:00:33n17ikh|Lappyand the H1xx series was pulled off store shelves everywhere :/
00:00:50preglowlinuxstb: yeah, that and ogg vorbis is pretty much what made me go h120
00:01:15linuxstbThe iriver firmware couldn't even play my single WMA file (it's 48KHz)
00:01:30woodensoulOK, it looks like I'm building now... it sure does take awhile to generate the build. To start, I'd just like to create builds from the current SVN with the album art patch applied.
00:01:42preglowlinuxstb: it played my single wma file fine :)
00:01:52linuxstbI then transcoded it to vorbis, and it couldn't play that either... I then gave up and waited for Rockbox.
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00:02:39preglowyou were involved since before swcodec time, yes?
00:03:14linuxstbI was involved very little right at the start of the Archos work, but then disappeared until swcodec started.
00:03:25preglowi didn't even know rockbox existed before that
00:03:43preglowyeah, you're a fairly early show in CREDITS :)
00:04:09woodensoulI'm working throught the "working with patches" page. Do I need "patch for windows" to do this?
00:04:44***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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00:06:25OLaSparOusing an ipod with rockbox, it is stuck on a song in the player. i tried to restart the ipod, i am going out in the menu and back, i try to choose other songs, but now it just puts them in queue
00:07:03linuxstbwoodensoul: Are you in cygwin?
00:07:39LloreanOLaSparO: What do you mean by "stuck on a song"?
00:08:11LloreanOLaSparO: If it's repeating, then it sounds like you have "Repeat 1" enabled, and if every selected song is queued, it sounds like you've enabled Party Mode. I strongly suggest you have a look at the manual.
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00:09:54woodensoulYes, in cygwin.
00:10:15linuxstbThen you may have the patch program installed already - what happens if you just type "patch" at the cygwin prompt?
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00:11:03OLaSparOwell, my problem is mainly that no songs will start. you were right about the party mode, now it is deselected
00:11:36LloreanNo songs will start? What happens when you select a song, then?
00:12:29OLaSparOafter a restart once again it went fine
00:12:40woodensoulI installed the patch program while waiting for the lag.
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00:14:03woodensoulI typed patch at the cygwin prompt and the cursor just jumps to the next line and flashes, is it doing anything?
00:14:33linuxstbPress CTRL+C
00:14:46linuxstbIt's waiting for input... But it means it's installed OK.
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00:19:13woodensoulOK
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00:22:45woodensoulI'm confused where to put the patch file in order to patch
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00:26:29preglowok, i found the bug in the vorbis patch, measuring gain
00:26:40linuxstbYou can put it anywhere, but I would suggest in the rockbox directory - i.e. the same place as apps, tools, firmware etc.
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00:27:13linuxstbpreglow: Are you testing on ARM or Coldfire (or both)?
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00:27:50preglowlinuxstb: coldfire now, which is what had problems
00:27:59preglowlinuxstb: 10% boost gain in avg on arm, which is very decent, i'd say
00:28:13linuxstbDefinitely. Does that make it faster than libmad again?
00:28:23preglowwouldn't know, has it fallen behind?
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00:28:38linuxstbI thought the last libmad optimisations meant it overtook vorbis on ARM.
00:28:58preglowmy memory is a bit hazy on that
00:29:30linuxstbBut it's good to see the two main lossy codecs getting better on ARM.
00:29:51preglowthere's another patch still for mpa on arm
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00:30:01preglowwhich seems to yield even more than 10% improvements
00:31:27preglowi see antonius had some questions on it, though
00:31:28amiconnDon't forget to test on amd64 ;)
00:31:36preglowamiconn: haha
00:31:49preglowand btw, the vorbis patch yields improvements also on coldfire, it seems
00:32:02preglow7-8% boost ratio improvement on a 143kbps file
00:32:07hcsM-P-A, A-R-M, M-O-U-S-E
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00:32:59preglowany makefile gurus around that could have a look aat fs #6847? it's damned annoying
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00:53:47n17ikh|Lappyso what's car adapter mode? shuts it off when it loses power and resumes play when it gets power again?
00:54:00n17ikh|Lappy(I'm just guessing, there's no info in the manual about it)
00:54:20preglowread the manual?
00:54:26n17ikh|LappyI did
00:54:36preglowwould have expected that to say what it is
00:54:44preglowi don't really know, myself
00:54:54n17ikh|Lappythe section in the manual it should be in skips right over it
00:55:03n17ikh|Lappyand I did a ctrl-f to make sure I didn't miss it somewhere else
00:55:34n17ikh|Lappyyep, it hits stop when the power goes off
00:55:57n17ikh|Lappyplug it back in and it starts up again
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01:00:45nbentonIs there anyway to play gameboy games using the buttons for direction, not the touch-sensitive scroll-wheel? Also, anyway to get the music to sound less choppy?
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01:03:20linuxstbnbenton: a) Yes - you need to change the source code so Rockboy works that way; b) Yes - fix the bugs.
01:04:18nbentonFix the bugs?
01:05:04Lloreannbenton: Yes, fix the bugs that cause the bad sound.
01:05:58LloreanOn an entirely unrelated note, here's the MisticRiver mindset at its fines: They've created a program that can read and swap the logo image in the Rockbox binary, instead of creating a small patch to allow Rockbox to load a .bmp during boot as part of a theme.
01:06:12nbenton..Okay I'm going to sound like an idiot. But how-so? Any specific documentation? Lol..sorry for sounding like a moron.
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01:06:44Lloreannbenton: Documentation on what, exactly? The whole point of a bug is that they aren't documented. They're unexpected behaviour that needs to be fixed.
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01:07:33linuxstbnbenton: We're saying that your requests can only be fulfilled by a developer changing/fixing the code.
01:07:44nbentonI see.
01:07:51nbentonThank you. lol. Sorry guys =p
01:08:11JdGordonLlorean: haha you serious about the MR app?
01:08:11linuxstbRockbox is open source - so anything is possible...
01:09:38LloreanJdGordon: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=52672
01:10:12JdGordon:O
01:10:23JdGordonalthough.. going by the MR userbase.. its not such bad idea
01:10:28linuxstbLlorean: To be fair, searching for the logo in a Rockbox binary and replacing it is trivial, and the result is more efficient than loading a bmp file, and easier for users compared to compiling their own builds.
01:10:37caduone question
01:11:04caduthese toshiba gigabeats have the firmware on disk, what if i accidentally format my toshiba drive? it would 'brick' ?
01:11:07Lloreanlinuxstb: It is easier than compiling their own builds, but I can't help but think that in the time it took to write that app, they could've written a patch to allow Rockbox to load an arbitrary BMP at boot
01:11:21caduor it just copies it again from flash to the hard drive (for some odd/esotheric reason)
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01:12:07preglowLlorean: oh yes
01:12:34JdGordonLlorean: well, i guess its more so people arnt forced to use one build?
01:12:44Lloreancadu: If you format your HD, the player becomes significantly less usable until you copy system files back onto the HD
01:12:59preglowbah, i bloody posted to the wrong flyspray entry
01:13:19hcsLlorean: does it have an emergency disk mode for when it can't find the system stuff?
01:13:32caduthis will be running rockbox only , so no particular reason to store its original GBSYSTEM folder?
01:13:33amiconnHmm, anything pitfalls when moving an svn working copy to another path?
01:13:40amiconns/anything/any/
01:13:48caduby the way i don't have this disk :) ahahhahaa
01:13:49Lloreanhcs: I know there's an emergency disk mode you can access by removing the drive until it powers on, and then inserting it. I don't know if there's an inbetween one.
01:13:57*preglow wonders if it's possible to delete comments
01:14:27caduLlorean, for an example, if i remove all files now, would i still be able to plug it and copy the firmware in ?
01:14:53preglowamiconn: i've done so with no issues
01:15:03Lloreancadu: There are certain files you can't remove. The flash loader looks for specific files other than the one Rockbox normally replaces and requires they be there.
01:15:05preglowamiconn: afaik, svn stores it's metadata inside the directory in question
01:15:15preglowits
01:15:29amiconnYeah, maybe it stores absolute paths somewhere
01:15:32amiconncvs did
01:15:42preglowi think it did
01:15:45preglowsvn does not, afai
01:15:47linuxstbIt did? I was always moving/renaming CVS checkouts.
01:15:54preglowlinuxstb: then it wasn't
01:15:55caduLlorean, nice, but in an *occasion* of hard drive error or whatever, and i need to format the whole drive, this would mean i'll have to open my gigabeat just to save it ?
01:16:25caduor can i just replug it again...turn it on and for example, throw the original toshiba GBSYSTEM folder
01:16:36Lloreancadu: If you're formatting the device, you already have access to the disk. Just don't unplug it until you put system files back on it.
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01:17:08caduyeah, but it's not too robust :) right? usb mode dependant on system files
01:17:25cadujust discussing it by the way :)
01:17:30LloreanIt's not our software.
01:17:35cadu(wanting to know how it works, just in case) :)
01:17:39linuxstbYes, the Toshiba firmware isn't the best...
01:17:48LloreanThere's always the emergency USB mode as I described.
01:18:03caduLlorean, removing the drive and plugging it in...nice :)
01:18:23LloreanHey, they designed it. Tell them they're crazy.
01:18:59cadunah, i'm just asking you guys coz i wanted to know how it works , after all i just received it , and am reading thru the instructions on installing rockbox now :)
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01:21:27*markun is off to sleep
01:22:39linuxstbLlorean: I'm just reading the anythingbutipod forums - do you know what the other sansapatcher is about?
01:22:59Lloreanlinuxstb: No clue, I wasn't aware of their forums in... May did he say?
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01:23:24linuxstbYes.
01:24:34Lloreanlinuxstb: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305
01:25:55LloreanAlso, did anyone know about this? http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/rockbox ?
01:26:00n17ikh|Lappywow, some of these WPSs are really pretty
01:26:19n17ikh|Lappy<- easily distracted by shiny things :/
01:27:35JdGordonI've done 31 commits this month!
01:28:45linuxstbLlorean: Ah, I see, a modified version of the very first ipodpatcher... Complete with bugs meaning it wouldn't work on > 4GB sansas.
01:29:10LloreanJdGordon: That page has a MUCH nicer RSS feed than the other one I've been telling people about.
01:29:14n17ikh|Lappydo ipods natively do album art?
01:29:49linuxstbI believe all the colour ipods do, I'm not sure about the greyscale ones.
01:29:52n17ikh|Lappyah
01:30:00n17ikh|Lappywas gonna say, if they don't they should...
01:30:33caduLlorean, by the way do you have a link for this 'emergency mode procedure' just in case i ever do shit ? :)
01:30:56Lloreancadu: No, I don't. I've only heard of it by word of mouth.
01:31:01Lloreancadu: I don't intend to ever have to use it.
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01:31:12cadume neither :)
01:31:43n17ikh|LappyI'm seeing lots of references to the scrolling margins patch
01:31:46n17ikh|Lappywhat's that do?
01:32:02Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: Read the patch entry in the tracker.
01:32:14n17ikh|Lappyimma looking for it right now
01:34:25n17ikh|Lappyerrrr
01:34:30n17ikh|Lappyit should be in the patches tracker, right?
01:34:54n17ikh|Lappyoh, there it is
01:35:08n17ikh|Lappyit's the "scrolling text margin" patch
01:35:51n17ikh|Lappyif it's been synced to SVN, does that mean it's in the latest build?
01:36:06LloreanNo.
01:36:15LloreanThat means it applies against whatever the SVN version was when they said that
01:36:27LloreanTasks get closed when they get included
01:36:36n17ikh|LappyOh.
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01:39:42cadui'm on rockbox! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
01:40:45*hcs hopes that was a good "waaaaa"
01:40:56cadui'm still using the small fonts (the rockbox default?)
01:41:00caduit's SOOOOO responsive!
01:41:04caduand just WORKS!
01:41:05caduyay!
01:41:17cadunow let me play an ogg and then a flac!
01:41:25chrisjs169|brbWhile audio on the sansa e200 series is still new, i think i possibly found a bug
01:41:38cadueven shows me my accents ! nice for the non-american here !
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01:42:11chrisjs169|brbwith a near dead battery, loading a song often causes it to output a static type crashing sound
01:42:23Soap2Llorean: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9462.msg73213;topicseen#msg73213
01:42:25Soap2Llorean: out of line?
01:42:47LloreanSoap2: I think I'll let it pass. ;)
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01:43:22caducan i say a little thing (after saying a bunch of stuff)?
01:43:27Soap2Had to ask, I'm on a cellphone, won't have a chance to respond if you send me a threatening PM.
01:43:33caduahahah! the sound is CRISP , HAHAAA i'm so happy!
01:44:02BigMacYay guys
01:44:05BigMacno more ipod
01:44:16caduthat design failure of Toshiba (the usb stuff) made me a little concerned but what can go wrong, life is nice and the sun is SHINING! yay!
01:44:21caduSOOOO thanks :)
01:44:41caduby the way, any translation job you guys need (portuguese-english) , just call me up :)
01:44:43BigMacjust bought a 40 gb gigabeat f of ebay for like 140 bucks USD
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01:49:04Domonokycadu: you could test if the portuguese translation of rockbox is still up to date, and if something is missing, translate it :-)
01:49:30caduPROMPTLY DOING! :P
01:49:37n17ikh|Lappyurgh, patching involves cross compiling
01:49:39n17ikh|Lappyugly.
01:50:45Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: Well, that make sense. I mean, if they were binary patches, they'd be useless for development, and would only ever really work with one specific build of Rockbox.
01:50:57n17ikh|Lappywell, right
01:51:03LloreanSo what were you expecting then?
01:51:11n17ikh|LappyI mean it's ugly because I need to set up a dev environment for it
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01:51:28n17ikh|LappyI don't have a compiler for.. uhh, a portalplayer whatever it is on my linux box.
01:51:42JdGordonthere is a script to do it for you in the sourcer...
01:51:44LloreanWe do have a shell script that can install all (or any of) the necessary cross compilers.
01:51:45JdGordonsourc*
01:53:28Soap2_tools/rockboxdev.sh is it. the .sh it
01:53:29n17ikh|Lappya shell script eh
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01:55:38n17ikh|Lappylooks like the script is pretty complete, just run it and it downloads?
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01:58:21n17ikh|Lappycorrection: run it as root and it downloads :(
01:59:05n17ikh|Lappywait, it's downloading gcc
01:59:15n17ikh|LappyI already have gcc...
01:59:34n17ikh|Lappywell, whatever.
01:59:39Soap2_yea, only thing you will need to do is: A-add paths to your PATH. B-Manually install packages for compiling the manual (if you choose), C-Manual Install packages for building the simulator (if you choose)
01:59:41LloreanYes, but do you have the right version of GCC, compiled to cross-compile for arm-elf processors?
02:00
02:00:27n17ikh|Lappythe version of gcc I have is a bit newer than the one it's downloading
02:00:37n17ikh|Lappybut not enough to make a real difference
02:01:01n17ikh|Lappyit shouldn't be that hard to make it cross-compile
02:01:02LloreanYou need the exact versions.
02:01:11n17ikh|Lappyoh?
02:01:18LloreanIn many cases there has been a situation where, for example, 4.0.2 wouldn't compile, and 4.0.3 would
02:01:27safetydanthere are various bugs and issues with different versions of gcc building for different targets
02:01:34LloreanGCC is an unreliable beasty.
02:01:37n17ikh|LappyI see.
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02:01:53LloreanAnd "make it cross-compile" involves compiling a build of GCC for cross compiling.
02:03:35n17ikh|Lappyguess I shouldn't have told it to make it so I could compile to all targets then eh
02:03:37pearldiverso rockbox.gigabeat can live happily in .rockbox now and can be deleted from the root?
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02:04:46***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
02:06:08caduLlorean, by the way, is it normal to hear the HD 'spinning and stopping' sometimes ?
02:06:21barrywardellpearldiver: yes, if you have a new enough bootloader
02:06:36pearldiverbarrywardell ah nice
02:06:38Lloreancadu: If you're hearing it over your music, probably not. Hard drive noises are regular but they should be fairly faint
02:06:43caduooo rockbox just locked up on me :)
02:07:28caduLlorean, not huge stuff
02:07:36cadubut i hear some tacks , once upon a time
02:07:48cadu(like shifting thru songs quickly, playing 3 or 4 in succession)
02:08:39cadui don't hear it over music but i can feel the player shaking mildly, and with one earbud off i can hear one click or two
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02:08:47LloreanYou shouldn't hear anything in the earbuds.
02:08:51LloreanOh, with one off.
02:08:53LloreanSorry, misread that.
02:08:59cadumust be normal.... it's my first time with a hard drive player
02:09:02LloreanFeeling it shake is very regular.
02:09:10caduso i wanna rest assured i got a good deal
02:09:21caduby the way, sound is VERY crisp
02:09:39caduthe stereo separation is perfect :) you guys are something :P
02:10:02pearldivercadu, what player?
02:10:22caduF20
02:10:27pearldiverhehe
02:11:22pearldivergigabeat's sound quality is great, yes, thanks to rockbox and it's not too shabby hardware as well
02:11:31caduWHOA
02:11:42caduplaying audio and seeing the PLASMA plugin! .....
02:11:47cadujust, beautiful!
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02:15:54deceasekainHello. Are there any good guides to WPS creating?
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02:16:55SirFunkis tehre any reason rockbox on my iriver HP-20 takes forever to change directories (up to 10 seconds)
02:17:44Soap2_http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/EZWPS http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking
02:17:47DomonokySirFunk: is dircache one ?
02:17:53Domonokyon
02:17:59SirFunkuhm... i'm guessing no
02:18:00SirFunklet me look
02:18:25deceasekainSoap2_ thanks alot
02:19:13LloreanSirFunk: What is an HP-20, there's no model like that, and depending on which strange way you've modified your actual model number you could be referring to one of multiple devices.
02:19:24SirFunksorry
02:19:25SirFunk120
02:19:29SirFunkiHP-120
02:19:49Llorean10 seconds is a little long, even for dircache off.
02:20:03LloreanThe first directory entry can take 2 or 3 seconds for the disk to spin up, but then it should be fast.
02:20:07LloreanIs your drive heavily fragmented?
02:21:17pearldiverwow videos are in sync :P
02:21:17SirFunkhmmm, any way to tell.. other than in windows?
02:21:23SirFunkDomonoky: dircache was off
02:21:38Domonokymake it, could help :-)
02:21:41Domonokyon
02:21:48Domonokydamn keyboard :-)
02:22:04pearldiverthere's some tearing on gigabeat though
02:22:08LloreanDircache will help, but at a cost of a little space being permanently taken up in RAM.
02:22:19Lloreanpearldiver: I don't believe there's any vsync.
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02:22:33SirFunkwhoa
02:22:36SirFunkway better with dircache
02:22:37caduLlorean, i put the option to pause the song when i take off the plug.... pauses nicely
02:22:38pearldiverLlorean, yeah
02:22:46cadubut when it comes back, the song jumps forth a bit
02:22:55cadulike some random skips and then back to normal
02:23:15SirFunkit may have not taken 10 seconds before.. but it was slow enough that somtimes i would hit 'right' to go into a folder, and think it didn't work so i'd hit 'right' again and wind up going through 2 folders or playing a song or something
02:23:31pearldiverLlorean, still its very nice to watch music videos now :P
02:24:22LloreanSirFunk: With dircache off, you have to wait for the disk to spin up when you try to go into a folder if the disk isn't spinning.
02:25:09caduDomonoky, the portuguese translation is really Portuguese
02:25:19pearldiverLlorean, oh and it doesn't lock up now when the it runs out of buffer, nice
02:25:25caducan i do a modification or start a brazillian-portuguese file !?
02:26:10SirFunkLlorean: yeah, but even after i went through one folder, the next folder would take a long itme too
02:26:18cadubrazillian portuguese and portuguese are interchangeable but some words are less used in one or the other and some sound funny
02:26:51Domonokyif you like, you can shurely do another translation..
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02:27:24cadufor example, like 'ficheiro' (would mean like a drawer with some sheets or files/regs in it) instead of the brazillian counterpart 'arquivo' (that means file, really)
02:27:32SirFunkhmm... i wonder if there's any reason for me to update rockbox, my install is like 2 months old
02:28:11DomonokySirFunk: 2 month is very old, in rockbox time :-)
02:28:14SirFunk:-)
02:28:33safetydanSirFunk, if you see anything you like here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges then upgrade
02:28:40SirFunkoh cool
02:28:41SirFunkleme look
02:28:54safetydangenerally it's recommended that you upgrade reasonably often
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02:30:21webguest06A question about USB support for the Sansa e200...
02:30:43webguest06One of the changes earlier today carried the comment:
02:30:46webguest06Enable usb detection in the sansa bootloader (loads OF if detected)
02:30:48safetydanCripes, you're in for a few surprises if you upgrade from a build that's two months old. I hadn't really thought about how much has changed in the past two months.
02:31:02webguest06I'm trying to figure out what this means. Can anyone explain?
02:32:43Lloreanwebguest06: You know how the Sansa turns on when you insert the USB cable?
02:32:49webguest06Yes.
02:33:00Lloreanwebguest06: If you use an SVN compiled bootloader, it'll load the original firmware, instead of Rockbox, when it turns on like that, so it goes straight into USB mode.
02:33:17webguest06I thought I tried this... didn't seem to work. I'll try again.
02:33:35webguest06I have the latest build installed as well as the bootloader from Sansapatcher.
02:33:39n17ikh|Lappyurgh
02:34:10Lloreanwebguest06: I said "SVN compiled"
02:34:12webguest06Nope. I still get the Rockbox screen.
02:34:22webguest06What does that mean... I really am a noob.
02:34:45Lloreanwebguest06: It means newer than the officially released current version.
02:34:48n17ikh|Lappyso if a patch has been synced to SVN, it's probably best to use it with the source from that SVN date?
02:35:06Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: It may work with newer source, or you may have to sync it yourself if you want newer source
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02:35:26webguest06I'm at a loss as to how to obtain that right now. I'll have to read up. Thanks.
02:36:53Lloreanwebguest06: The simplest method is to just wait for the next version of Sansapatcher.
02:37:17webguest06That'll have to do. Having it boot into the OF on USB insert sure would be nice... thanks. Llorean.
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02:47:16pearldiverhow do you actually use this graph to adjust the rockbox eq settings?
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02:47:21pearldiverhttp://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=603
02:47:58webguest89i keep getting Data abort at 000305D4 on my ipod video 5th gen
02:48:09webguest89when i try to play a file
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02:50:23Lloreanwebguest89: When did you last install/update the Rockbox bootloader?
02:50:51webguest89Llorean: long time ago
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02:51:04LloreanThen follow the bootloader installation section of the manual
02:51:10LloreanYou need to update and install/update are the same process.
02:52:56safetydanpearldiver, at a rough guess you'd make an eq that's sort of the inverse of that graph, so that the eq compensates for any holes in the response of your headphones.
02:53:06webguest89Llorean: oh ive just been installing the new firmware each time
02:54:08pearldiversafetydan hmm
02:54:15Lloreanwebguest89: Usually you don't need to update the bootloader, this is a special case.
02:54:35Lloreanwebguest89: But when you do get *real* crashes, like that, you should make sure your bootloader version is the newest.
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03:00:39pearldiversafetydan, like this example
03:00:41pearldiverhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9468.0
03:01:15pearldiverlow shelf filter, for example, how did he get those parameters looking at the graph
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03:04:29safetydanpearldiver, not sure about the low shelf, but the other filters all look like they're designed to eliminate the peaks and troughs
03:05:15safetydanfor example, the 3rd peak filter has -10 db gain around 2700 Hz and you can see a 10 dB spike at the same spot on the graph
03:06:03safetydanthe low shelf I think is just picked to try and decrease the rolloff a bit
03:06:10pearldiveraha
03:07:10pearldiverwell on this graph
03:07:12pearldiverhttp://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=603
03:07:35pearldiverall the spikes going on around 12000-20000 Hz
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03:10:41pearldiverso im sort of confused
03:10:59safetydanthat looks like it might be hard to compensate for
03:13:40safetydanpearldiver, you could try this method http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9313.msg71779#msg71779
03:13:58pearldiveryeah was just looking at it
03:16:38n17ikh|Lappynow we're cookin
03:16:42n17ikh|Lappycompiling my build!
03:16:55caduquestion: a gigabeat F20 model for 150 dollars should be 'new' , right ? (at least for the price)
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03:24:24n17ikh|Lappydo I have to have a WPS when compiling a build? It throws an error on make zip
03:24:37n17ikh|Lappybeep, no dir to copy WPS from!
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03:27:04n17ikh|Lappyand if so, where would I put said WPS
03:27:29LloreanYou shouldn't need any
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03:28:11n17ikh|Lappywell, it throws an error while compiling
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03:28:17n17ikh|Lappyand then stops
03:28:31LloreanWhat's the exact error message?
03:28:46n17ikh|Lappywell, actually, the last thing is something else
03:28:48LloreanYou did do a "make" before the "make zip" right?
03:28:51n17ikh|Lappyxargs: zip: No such file or directory
03:28:55n17ikh|Lappyyes, yes I did.
03:29:00LloreanAnd do you have a rockbox.zip there now?
03:29:07LloreanI mean, after the make zip
03:29:26n17ikh|LappyI don't have a rockbox.zip, no
03:29:29n17ikh|LappyI have a rockbox.h10
03:29:59LloreanDid you use SVN to check out the sources, or did you download the tarball?
03:30:01n17ikh|LappyI did make, make zip after applying patches
03:30:11n17ikh|LappyI downloaded the tarball and patched without incident
03:30:21LloreanTry using SVN instead.
03:30:46n17ikh|Lappyjust more crap to install on my server :/
03:30:47LloreanOh, wait.
03:31:00LloreanDo you have zip in your path?
03:31:02LloreanOr installed even?
03:31:10n17ikh|Lappyer, no
03:31:14n17ikh|Lappythat might do it
03:31:16n17ikh|Lappy>_>
03:31:31n17ikh|Lappycoulda sworn I had some sort of zipper in there.
03:31:43LloreanBut it's often better to use SVN to check out the sources. You don't have to reapply patches as often, and the tarball script can leave out new files sometimes, when they aren't added in all the right places.
03:31:54Llorean"some sort of" doesn't necessarily mean you have "zip" :)
03:32:21n17ikh|Lappyyeah
03:32:29n17ikh|LappyI mean, zip-compliant
03:32:42n17ikh|Lappyjust like there are about 4983209437 sendmail-complaint MTAs
03:32:48LloreanHeh
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03:33:13n17ikh|Lappythere we go
03:33:21n17ikh|Lappymuch better
03:33:28n17ikh|Lappystill throws the beep at me, but other than that
03:33:32n17ikh|Lappygives me a zip file
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03:34:55LloreanI don't know what you mean by "throws the beep"
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03:35:29n17ikh|Lappybeep, no dir to copy WPS from!
03:35:31n17ikh|Lappythat.
03:36:06n17ikh|Lappymaybe it should say "warning" instead... or "you won't have a WPS in this build, moron"
03:36:09LloreanIt says "beep"?
03:36:13n17ikh|Lappyyes, it says beep.
03:36:24LloreanWeird.
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03:36:35LloreanYou'll still have a WPS, you just won't have any additional WPSes.
03:36:43n17ikh|Lappyinteresting.
03:36:50LloreanWell the default WPS is hard-coded.
03:37:08n17ikh|Lappyuuugh
03:37:14n17ikh|Lappythat makes me shudder
03:37:23n17ikh|Lappyright-clicking on a zip file on a network drive in windows xp
03:37:31n17ikh|Lappy"the page has an unspecified security flaw"
03:37:36n17ikh|Lappy"Continue? Y/N"
03:37:53n17ikh|Lappy..yes, continue, it's a zip file on the server in the next room
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03:39:15n17ikh|Lappyhey, the file arrangement in the zip I made is slightly different
03:39:30n17ikh|Lappyrockbox.h10 is at the same (root) level as .rockbox
03:39:38n17ikh|Lappyin the original, it's inside .rockbox
03:40:42n17ikh|Lappywhere should it be?
03:40:59n17ikh|LappyI'm assuming inside rockbox, but... that's not where the zipping-up script put it :/
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03:41:12safetydann17ikh|Lappy: .rockbox but it sounds like you might be building with an old source tree
03:41:18n17ikh|Lappyonly four days old
03:41:33n17ikh|Lappybecause it's what my patches matched
03:41:40n17ikh|Lappymore or less
03:43:04Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: What exactly made you shudder?
03:43:06safetydanfour days is a long time in Rockbox land
03:43:16safetydanfour days ago, rockbox.h10 was outside .rockbox
03:43:21n17ikh|LappyLlorean: windows XP trying to protect me from myself
03:43:21safetydannow it's supposed to go inside
03:43:30n17ikh|Lappyer
03:43:37n17ikh|Lappywas it, or are you just saying that
03:43:43LloreanIt was.
03:43:46safetydanIt was.
03:43:51n17ikh|Lappy...crap
03:43:54LloreanThe change from outside .rockbox to inside .rockbox was very recent.
03:43:56safetydancurse these human fingers, beaten by Llorean again
03:44:15LloreanIt's irrelevant though, the bootloader should check both locations.
03:44:18safetydan2007-03-20 according to the major changes page
03:44:22LloreanIt was more or less for tidiness.
03:45:39n17ikh|LappyAh.
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03:50:10MrAudioGreetings. I'm writing a customized voice-recorder app for the iAudioX5 by hacking the Rockbox source, inserting code into tree.c, list.c, etc. My app seems to drain the battery and prevent auto-power-off. Any ideas about what behavior would prevent auto-power-off?
03:50:56MrAudioBy "drain the battery" I mean that I left the unit on all night and this morning the battery was drained, so it apparently didn't auto-power-off. The auto-power-off is the issue I'm wondering about.
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03:51:22safetydanMrAudio, any particular reason you're hacking that deep in the code and not just writing a plugin?
03:51:32MrAudioRecording doesn't seem to work reliably in a plugin.
03:51:51MrAudioAt least, I couldn't get recording to work reliably in a plugin.
03:52:11MrAudioSo I'm hijacking the default menus and auto-navigating to the recording screen, etc.
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03:52:36LloreanYou can set it to start up on the recording screen from a menu option.
03:53:08MrAudioRight, but I have a categorized list of files, and the recording has to go into one of the pre-defined files. Basically my system is 90% complete now, I just discovered the auto-power-off problem yesterday.
03:53:17LloreanI didn't think it would idle-poweroff from the recording screen normally. It seems like it could interrupt monitoring before a record.
03:53:41MrAudioNormally the user will be using the system in a hacked version of the directory browser.
03:54:05MrAudioI am drawing a bitmap everytime the status bar is drawn.
03:54:18MrAudioCould that kind of behavior prevent auto-power-off?
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03:55:10MrAudioOr rather, is there a specific branch of the code that checks for "am I idle->if so, power off"? I could then see what conditions are not being met if I knew where to look.
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03:55:58LloreanI think being in the recording screen just prevents it right there. I'm not 100% sure. But where did you leave the device?
03:56:11MrAudioI left the device in the directory browser
03:56:16MrAudioin tree.c main loop
03:56:23MrAudiowith tons of custom code in tree.c main loop
03:56:27n17ikh|Lappyargh. Well, that failed miserably
03:56:42n17ikh|Lappyalright, I'll try again later. Default rockbox works well enough
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03:57:47n17ikh|Lappyummm okay then
03:57:56n17ikh|Lappywindows won't let me make a directory called .rockbox :/
03:58:08LloreanWindows won't let you start a directory name with .
03:58:12n17ikh|LappyI noticed
03:58:26MrAudioIs the idle checking done at hardware level (e.g. some CPU function?) or software level (e.g. none of these buttons were pressed, so idletime=idletime+1; if idletime>timeout poweroff())
03:58:54*n17ikh|Lappy makes a folder on the linux box called .rockbox and copies it over the network
03:59:03safetydanMrAudio, software
03:59:17amiconnn17ikh|Lappy: You *can* make a directory or file staring with . in windows
03:59:26Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: Out of curiosity, why on earth do you need to make that folder?
03:59:32amiconnJust not with explorer, you need to use the commandline
03:59:38MrAudiosafetydan: great, then it should be easy to fix. Any idea about the variable or function names responsible?
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04:00:26n17ikh|LappyLlorean: I renamed my old rockbox folder to old.rockbox
04:00:35n17ikh|Lappyand was renaming it back to .rockbox and found I couldn't
04:01:08n17ikh|Lappythe exact error was something like "You must type a directory name."
04:01:11MrAudioHow about this: if I do my own idle timekeeping, and call poweroff() manually, would that work?
04:01:43LloreanMrAudio: You're welcome to reinvent as many wheels as you'd like, yes. :)
04:01:47Soap2n17ikh|Lappy: if you are talking Windows you can from the command line, if not from Explorer
04:02:06MrAudioHeh, heh, I just need to get this durn system finished so I can run an experiment, write a paper, and graduate :-)
04:02:11n17ikh|Lappyah, you're right
04:02:13n17ikh|Lappycommand line works
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04:02:22webguest14hi
04:02:23n17ikh|Lappyexplorer is just the worlds' most retarded shell
04:02:42webguest14does anyone know one when rockbox 3.1 comes out?
04:02:48MrAudioAnyway, thanks for all the help, I think I'm on the right track now.
04:02:52Lloreanwebguest14: Some time after 3.0 does.
04:03:07Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: I think you're forgetting dos shell.
04:03:19n17ikh|Lappythat's what I said, command line works
04:03:26n17ikh|LappyI tested it ;)
04:03:37webguest14when does 3.0 come out
04:03:40safetydanMrAudio, I haven't got the source in front of me, but some simple searching should find what you need.
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04:03:48Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: Dos shell is not command line.
04:03:54safetydanCheck the settings structure for the idle timeout value and see what code looks at that value.
04:03:57n17ikh|Lappyit's *a* command line
04:04:03Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: No, it's not
04:04:10Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: Dos Shell is a shell. Mouse pointer, filetree view, and all.
04:04:24Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS_Shell
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04:04:28n17ikh|Lappyah
04:04:37n17ikh|Lappyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MS-DOS_6.22_dir_screenshot.png
04:04:42hcsooh, memories
04:04:44n17ikh|LappyI've always called that ^^ a dos shell
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04:05:00LloreanWell, technically speaking you are incorrect.
04:05:03n17ikh|Lappyyeah, I am
04:05:06Llorean:-P
04:05:16LloreanDOS shell makes Explorer look halfway decent.
04:05:26n17ikh|Lappythat doesn't take very much, mind you
04:05:43n17ikh|Lappyer, I got that backwards
04:05:43hcsthere was a high graphics mode, I recall, which wasn't much better
04:05:44Xerioncommand.com is a shell too
04:05:48n17ikh|Lappynever mind.
04:05:52*n17ikh|Lappy crawls off in a corner somewhere
04:05:54Xerionso not incorrect at all
04:06:33LloreanXerion: command.com is not "dos shell", it's "command.com".
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04:08:24Xerionit's "a" dos shell though
04:08:40Soap2how?
04:08:50LloreanIt's a shell belonging to DOS.
04:09:18LloreanBut when you say "you're forgetting dos shell" it's clear that it's a specific thing NAMED dos shell, otherwise you'd say "the dos shell"
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04:25:58DPicDo i have to turn off idle poweroff to enable my wake-up alarm?
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04:27:43DPicDo i have to turn off idle poweroff to enable my wake-up alarm?
04:28:12aliask|uniDPic: No, why would you?
04:28:27DPicBecause if i don't then my player will turn off before my alarm goes off
04:28:34DPicRight?
04:28:53aliask|uniThe alarm turns the player on.
04:29:03aliask|uniTest it out.
04:29:15DPicokay thanks
04:29:42DPicand do i have to reinstall the bootloader when i update rockbox?
04:30:32DPicmy alarm isn't working even without the player turning off
04:30:47DPici just set it to 11:30 5 minutes ago and it's 11:30 and it didn't go off
04:31:06DPicDoes it only work if the player is off?
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04:34:28safetydanDPic, what target?
04:35:05DPicSorry?
04:36:38DPicTarget? I don't know what that means
04:37:14Capsoaliask|uni: lmao.. How's that? Does this mean it is consuming some electricity at all times, as it is waiting for the alarm?
04:37:52DPicI just tried it out
04:37:56safetydanDPic, what type of player do you have? iPod, iRiver, Sansa, etc?
04:38:03DPici set it for 11:35 and turned it off and it turned back on at 11:35
04:38:09safetydanCapso, pretty much. But the amount should be tiny.
04:38:12DPici have an iPod Video
04:38:35LloreanCapso: It's consuming that bit of power anyway, keeping the clock running.
04:39:08CapsoLlorean: But what is the use, if no alarm is set, to keep the clock running?
04:39:23DPicSo that the time isn't reset..
04:39:32safetydanDPic, I'm not sure if the RTC is supported on iPod (i.e. I'm not sure if the alarm works for iPods)
04:39:44LloreanCapso: Otherwise you'd have to re-set the realtime clock on every boot...
04:39:52DPicyeah
04:40:04DPicNo it does i just tested it out and figured it out- the player has to be off
04:40:08DPicthen the alarm will turn it back on
04:40:50DPicdo i have to reinstall the bootloader every time i update rockbox?
04:41:28LloreanNo
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04:41:53DPicjust download the latest build and i should be all set?
04:42:34CapsoHow does RockBox compare to iPodLinux?
04:42:38LloreanDPic: Yes. I thought it said that in the manual.
04:42:44LloreanCapso: They're very different things.
04:42:55safetydanCapso, Rockbox has more focus on actually being usable for music playback rather than just being a general OS
04:43:10DPicipodlinux is based off of linux rockbox is built from scratch
04:44:03Drumrusing both, i can say that ipodlinux is a proof of concept that has a few nice gimmicks
04:44:28Drumrrockbox is a seriously superior music playing firmware with usable plugins
04:45:01DPicit does say to download the newest buld but it doesn't say whether or not you need the bootloader too.
04:45:11DPicDoesn't the bootloader ever need to be updated?
04:45:40Drumroccasionally
04:45:40LloreanDPic: If it doesn't say "you need the bootloader", I think that's a sign that you don't...
04:45:49LloreanThe bootloader doesn't update often.
04:46:09LloreanThere's been about 3 or 4 versions of the iRiver H120 bootloader actually released to the public, for example.
04:46:20LloreanAnd it's had a port for a couple years now
04:46:27DPicCan you give me an estimate on how often it does for iPod video?
04:46:37DPicOne ever certain number of days, weeks, or months?
04:46:48LloreanThere's been one mandatory bootloader update required for the iPod, ever, since the initial working version.
04:47:02Drumri went through about 3 bootloaders on my h320 in about 2-3 months :-P
04:47:13Drumrthat was in way early dev days thougth
04:47:49LloreanDPic: Basically, just check at the bootloader download site and see if the date on the file has changed.
04:48:06DPicI see
04:48:12DPicHow can i check which one i have?
04:48:28LloreanWhen did you install it?
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04:48:51DPicwell i just reinstalled it today thinking i needed it to update
04:49:05LloreanWell, logically speaking, wouldn't that mean you have the one from today?
04:49:27DPicyes but is there a way i can check that later rather than having to just remember it?
04:49:28LloreanWhich, actually, has been out for a little while, but I mean, if you check the site, that date will be the 'current' date.
04:49:51LloreanYou can press "Right" while the iPod is booting to get debug output, if you can read quickly.
04:50:23LloreanActually, it should have a simple version number, now. 1.0
04:50:38DPicoh
04:50:38DPicok
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05:50:39LloreanBagder: Looks like there's something funny with the daily build server, the X5 builds are missing a lot of stuff.
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06:57:15RaRe`the rockbox site
06:57:18RaRe`forum
06:57:32RaRe`seems ok now
06:57:38RaRe`just before wasnt loading anything
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08:10:36LinusNwebguest43: not a single soul, we are 133 bots
08:10:54webguest43good evening, i´m desperatly in need of help?
08:11:06LinusNwebguest43: i wouldn't know, are you?
08:12:08Lloreanwebguest43: You're best off asking whatever your actual question is.
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08:13:22webguest43i used a car adapter with my jbr v2 but accidentally it gave 12v input instead of 7,5v or 6v now only my usb charging works...can anyone help me to fix this problems please...thanks
08:13:45LinusNwow
08:14:11LinusNhmmm, it's been a long time since i worked on the v2...
08:15:17webguest43it used to work fine with 7,5 but now even with the regular charging kit by archos nothing happens...:o(
08:15:53webguest43i do have to do some serious driving and wnated to use my jbr v2 on the trip...
08:16:10LinusNperhaps the charging ship is fried...
08:16:13LinusNchip
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08:17:51webguest43is there any way to reset it...i have experienced difficulties before because sometimes, esp. with a low batterylevel my box freezes while charging...
08:18:24LinusNit's a 6-pin chip called LTHD or LTRG
08:18:31webguest43by the way thanks for your answers
08:21:01LinusNi don't remember if there is a way to reset it, but i seem to recall that you can hold the OFF button for a very long time
08:21:26LinusNlike up to 30 seconds
08:21:36LinusN(or was it 10?)
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08:23:19LinusNhere is the data sheet for the chip in question: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/1734i.pdf
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08:26:01webguest43you are right it should be at least 10 seconds, this wil reset the box, but i am afraid this won´t fix my probs
08:26:22LinusNiirc, it won't work when the device is connected to the charger
08:27:15LinusNin any case, you will have to repair the hardware to fix the overvoltage damage
08:27:46LinusNand you should begin with the Linear 1734 chip
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08:31:59webguest43do you know if any store does repairs like this? as i´m on holiday an have no equipment whatsoever...
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08:35:31webguest43i´m still wondering why tge charfinf via usb still works...is that a different chip?
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08:43:54annulus_what's the best plugin to use as a template when writing plugins?
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08:44:24LloreanHello World is a good starting place.
08:44:48LloreanThough Jewels, or one of the other cross-platform ones can be good to look at for loading target specific bitmaps, keymapping, etc.
08:45:05annulus_something that does a little more than that, e.g. something that excercises the API a bit
08:47:01gursikhIs there a way to remove the 20k playlist limit?
08:47:11gursikhor increase?
08:47:27JdGordonyou can increase it all you want with a custom build...
08:47:30bluebrothermore than 20k entries in a single playlist?
08:47:55gursikhyes, need about 24
08:48:02bluebrotherurgh.
08:48:15bluebrotherI even don't have nearly that number of files
08:48:28JdGordonapps/settings_list.c will have the line you need to chane
08:48:43JdGordonlook for "max files in playlist" or similar..
08:48:53gursikhthanks JdGordon, i'll down the source now
08:49:30gursikhis it just an arteficial limit, or will i need to change other things as well? (memory allocation etc.)
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08:52:30JdGordongursikh: that number is the memory allocation.. we would have thought 20k is a fairly safe artificial limit...
08:52:54JdGordonjust change the max value, recompile, then change the value in the setting and your all set
08:53:09gursikhit's for a friend, he likes to keep the entire hvsc on his nano
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08:53:37JdGordonaliask: cool change is here :D woohoo
08:53:42bluebrotheris there a reason to have the complete hvsc in a single playlist?
08:54:01gursikhbeats me, but he cries about it at least once a week
08:54:28bluebrothercrazy.
08:54:31JoelColdenhello, sorry to interupt. I'm new to the rockbox thing, but I've made a theme I want to upload and it says I don't have "permission". Is there anyone I need to talk to?
08:54:34bluebrotherJdGordon: any news on FS #6863?
08:54:56gursikhthanks for the tip JdGordon compiling now :-)
08:55:00JdGordonwell i fixed it.. but it caused tha annoyance you mentioned.. so i didnt commit it
08:55:05bluebrotherJoelColden: yes, you need to give us your wiki name so someone can give you write permissions
08:55:14JdGordonwont be able to fix it properly till monday probably...
08:55:47bluebrotherhmm. How about committing the fix fml2 posted on that task? It's nasty but the player doesn't lock up anymore
08:55:55bluebrotheruntil there is a better fix?
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08:56:33w1ll14m_i've got some nice new.....
08:56:35w1ll14m_news*
08:56:56w1ll14m_probably i can get my hands on an unencrypted firmware for nano 2g
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08:57:21JoelColdenbluebrother: thanks, my wikiname is JoelColden
08:57:24JdGordonbluebrother: im off but im happy for oyu to commit either of the patches in 6863... just leave the task open
08:57:56bluebrotherJdGordon: ok.
08:58:01bluebrotherJoelColden: done. Should work now
08:58:23w1ll14mi will let you guys now when i have it ;)
08:58:34JoelColdenbluebrother: thanks
08:59:34Lloreanw1ll14m: It's not the Nano2G we want, it's how to encrypt and decrypt for it.
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09:00:25w1ll14mLlorean: but if we have an unencrypted firmware there might be some info within how to decrypt it
09:00:37w1ll14mmaybe i can get some more info.... ll ask
09:02:00XavierGrLlorean: I don't know much about encryption but shouldn't the encryption algorithm might be more easy to find when you have the decrypted result?
09:02:30XavierGrthough I may say silly things I don't really know for sure
09:02:34w1ll14mXavierGr: that's what i think ...
09:04:39w1ll14mi think the rsrc image contains some info about decrypting osos etc (i'm not shure)
09:05:05DataGhostlol
09:05:13DataGhostdid you even look at it?
09:05:16JdGordonLlorean: the decypted firmware is also good to start reverse engeneering it... even if we cant actually start coding....
09:05:20DataGhostit's stuffed with wav and xml files
09:05:35LloreanJdGordon: Yeah, this is true to an extent.
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09:06:46DataGhostw1ll14m normally, I shouldn't be so sceptical...
09:06:57DataGhostbut I still think the only image which possibly holds a decryption key is the decrypted aupd
09:07:12JdGordonok im off.. hae a good weekend all
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09:07:21w1ll14msorry ;) i meant aupd instead of rsrc
09:07:28DataGhostlol
09:07:32w1ll14mhehehe
09:07:54DataGhostand they might even just store it in the flashrom, in some part that's not overwritten
09:07:56w1ll14mbut then, 'll try to get my hands on the unencrypted firmware image
09:08:08w1ll14mmaybe it's something we can use
09:08:11DataGhostsince, when we can decrypt it, we'll be able to decrypt aupd and get the new key from there
09:08:18DataGhostso there's no real need to put it in aupd
09:08:20w1ll14mdataghost, could be
09:08:45LloreanThey only need to put it in AUPD if there's fear of it getting revealed, and if there's that, then putting it in AUPD would be pointless anyway
09:09:05DataGhostyeah, that's why I said 'possibly'
09:09:15DataGhostthere is no real need to store it outside of a chip
09:09:17GodEaterw1ll14m: so where are you going to get it from ?
09:09:34DataGhostand I most certainly wouldn't do that either, if I had to design this
09:09:48w1ll14munless aupd has strong encryption and with a new update they use the old key to decrypt and install new aupd with new keys, reboot and ipod has new decryption keys
09:10:12DataGhostplus the small risk of bricking :) since you're now actually writing the flasrhom
09:10:16DataGhosts/rh/hr/
09:10:27w1ll14mGodEater: a friend of a friend works by apple (ipod development)
09:10:58DataGhostoh look now that's a lot better than that numbskull who thinks a 'programming team' is the same as 'calling apple how to install linux, they might send me special software! worth a try!'
09:11:04Lloreanw1ll14m: If that's the case, then if the old key is found out (the only reason you'd change keys), someone can use the old key to get the new one anyway.
09:11:12XavierGrw1ll14m: then tell him to tell us the decryption algorithm :P
09:11:30DataGhostyeah Llorean that's why it would probably last just 1 hardware revision
09:11:56w1ll14mXavierGr: 'll i will ask, but that could be even for apple insiders classified info
09:12:01LloreanDataGhost: Official updates do write to the flash from time to time. People have bricked ipods by resetting during that write.
09:12:10DataGhostw1ll14m other than that, they needn't even know the key at all
09:12:27DataGhostthey can just submit their code to a 'black box' machine which returns the encrypted firmware
09:12:43DataGhostso you won't accidentally leak the key and you won't intentionally be able to leak it
09:12:45w1ll14mDataGhost: true
09:12:58DataGhostyeah I know Llorean
09:13:17DataGhostI'm just saying that 'installing rockbox/ipl' will have the small risk of bricking from that point on
09:13:36XavierGrI still can't understand their fuss into making difficult to load other code in the machine, if you get it broke it is your responsibility after all...
09:13:57w1ll14mXavierGr:it's about drm
09:14:07DataGhostXavierGr you have to pay for the games, for example
09:14:07XavierGror is it to protect reverse engineering their code?
09:14:24DataGhostI don't think they're very happy with us playing something like doom.. or a copy of their paid games
09:14:25DataGhost:P
09:14:50w1ll14mApple wants us to run their os because of games (mentioned by DataGhost) and drm and other stuff
09:14:56w1ll14matleast that is what i think
09:15:12DataGhostoh and added functionality for models which weren't intended for such use
09:15:16DataGhostlike games/videos on nano
09:15:25DataGhostthey want you to buy a more expensive iPod :P
09:15:27w1ll14myeah indeed
09:15:36w1ll14mdamn true
09:15:38XavierGrin all cases it is "evil"....
09:15:46XavierGrthey just want more money
09:16:04w1ll14mSame as microsoft they just want money
09:16:09DataGhostwell, they're not .org or something :P
09:16:13XavierGrhehe
09:16:15w1ll14mlol
09:16:59XavierGrimagine if you were forced to run a specific OS into a PC :\
09:17:03DataGhosti'd possibly do the same
09:17:20DataGhostand who knows.. it might even be a slightly-different-than-normal job interview
09:17:23w1ll14mXavierGr: that would be my death
09:17:45w1ll14mI have a HP Jornada 720 which runs linux ;)
09:17:50XavierGrI mean I pay for the damn thing, let me use it the way I want
09:17:59w1ll14mit's so much better than that windows ce os
09:18:51w1ll14mi have a psp with a hacked firmware
09:19:01w1ll14mcouldn't live without it ;)
09:20:10w1ll14mand ofcourse rockbox...... that is very precious to me :)
09:20:12w1ll14mlol
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09:48:55w1ll14mdamn windows!
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09:51:53w1ll14mthis is my only windows machine left..........
09:52:01w1ll14mstupid thing
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10:02:12w1ll14mthat's heaven :)
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10:11:23LloreanB4gder: Did you see my message in the logs regarding the x5 build?
10:12:17SlasherijhMikeS: hi, i think your latest fix improved cop support too. I will be testing more soon. I also found possible issue with the cpu boosting
10:16:49DataGhosthaha
10:16:51DataGhostpriceless
10:16:59DataGhostto win the 'gold trashbin'
10:17:12DataGhostthen you'll know your tv-show sucks :P
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10:20:50toni1hi
10:21:19toni1barrywardell: i think i found the reason for the dropouts on sansa:
10:21:29barrywardellhi toni1
10:21:44barrywardellyou mean the audio dropouts?
10:21:56toni1The cache_flush() can be interrupted before ending by the fiq
10:22:10toni1this may stall the meory system
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10:23:06toni1after removing the function calls in lcd_update, the sound was ok (still not very loud)
10:23:28toni1but this seems to be another issue
10:23:50barrywardellah, so it's the lcd that's slowing things down?
10:23:56toni1yes
10:24:25barrywardellthe loudness has a known fix - adjust the dac volume. we just need to find the right level
10:24:36toni1sounds good
10:25:52barrywardellif we could find what the OF writes to 0xe and 0xf in the AS3514 that would tell us what level to set it to
10:26:00barrywardellwhat's the other issue?
10:26:21toni1oh, i only mean the loudness
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10:26:34Lloreanbarrywardell: Were you the one who got access to the internal flash working?
10:26:38barrywardellah, ok
10:27:17barrywardellLlorean: no, but I'd imagine it's just a matter of reading from address 0x0 before memory is remapped
10:27:24toni1bye
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10:27:33barrywardellor did linuxstb already remap the flash to 0x20000000
10:27:38Lloreanbarrywardell: I meant internal flash as in "just the disk storage"
10:27:44LloreanYou know, where the music is. :)
10:27:46barrywardellah, yes
10:27:52linuxstbbarrywardell: Only on the ipods I think.
10:27:54barrywardellthat was me in that case.
10:28:01barrywardellI dumped the hidden partition
10:28:40barrywardelllinuxstb: oh, ok.
10:28:57Lloreanbarrywardell: JdGordon had an idea seeing if the MicroSD could be found through bank switching, but when he wrote some test code, that scanned the banks (and locked up after 0 on his 2gb), it didn't lock up after bank 2 on my 6gb, but kept going (reporting the same size for each)
10:29:49LloreanI was just kinda curious why the same code would behave so differently on my model compared to his, and wondered if you had an insight (of course I haven't actually seen his code, so I don't know exactly what he was doing).
10:30:34barrywardellhmmm. the bank switching isn't part of the SD standard IIRC
10:30:49barrywardellit's a proprietry thing
10:31:09barrywardellso it may only work on models that have two banks (ie. >4GB)
10:31:36LloreanAh, that would explain why it hung on the 2gb.
10:32:03LloreanWell, his code reported that banks 0 through 5 all had unrealistic sizes, so there was a little more wrong with it anyway.
10:32:22Llorean:)
10:32:40LloreanBut he doesn't have a MicroSD card to test with, so I was guinea pigging as usual.
10:33:17barrywardellLlorean: dan_a did most of the NAND driver. I just helped him find a few bugs and re-wrote a couple of the functions
10:33:44Lloreanbarrywardell: Ah, okay.
10:33:59barrywardellaccording to MrH: "If driving an external card one should use SDHC spec
10:33:59barrywardellinstead, if large cards become available and are to be
10:33:59barrywardellsupported. Oh, and if external cards are to be supported,
10:34:00DBUGEnqueued KICK barrywardell
10:34:00barrywardellthe HW will most likely allow also MMC support if so
10:34:00barrywardelldesired."
10:34:16LloreanI wonder if there are MicroMMC cards...
10:34:28LloreanHm, there are.
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10:35:45LloreanRockbox is going to need a little tweaking to handle playlist made PC-side on the sansas with microSD cards in though, if we're going to use a virtual folder like the Ondio.
10:36:32barrywardellthere's also this: "Considering that the Sansa also has a microSD slot, I'd bet some of the GPIOs configured in the init sequence (or potentially some of the other registers) actually perform some sort of chip select function and allow to switch between the internal NAND and external SD card."
10:36:43B4gdera little request to sansa owners: extract the i2c rom using the new e200tool and compare if you get the same image as the one I distribute
10:37:15LloreanB4gder: Where's the new e200tool?
10:37:29LloreanAt the old place?
10:37:32B4gderyeps
10:38:08mattzzHi, could somebody please check if FS #6860 can be committed to SVN? Would help people collecting data for http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SandiskE200BatteryMeasurements
10:38:17LloreanB4gder: Also, X5 daily builds (and iPod mini, and possibly others) seem to have some build concerns. The .zips are like, 500k or less, on some dates recently (including yesterday/today for x5)
10:38:30B4gderoh
10:38:34barrywardellmattzz: do the readings match what the OF reports now? if so then I think it can be committed
10:38:41B4gderI'll investigate that soon
10:38:46CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:38:46*barrywardell downloads e200tool
10:39:04*Llorean does too
10:39:10mattzzbarrywardell: min and max value are OK now. The values inbetween are currently linearized
10:39:36mattzzbarrywardell: so the short anwer is "yes" ;-)
10:41:09barrywardellmattzz: ok. thanks for doing the battery benchmarks :)
10:41:59mattzzbarrywardell: no prob :) I will keep working on a precieser discharge curve
10:42:41mattzzbarrywardell: is anything regarding *charging* active in the code? what happens to the battery if I plug in the cable while rockbox is running?
10:42:58barrywardellmattzz: OK, I'll leave the task open for now to let you post more accurate data
10:43:32barrywardellmattzz: that needs some looking at. we should really reboot into the OF's usb mode when a cable is connected
10:44:44mattzzbarrywardell: would be good if the core people w/ access to the datasheet could give an indication of what can be treated by the circuits and what has to be done in SW. nobody wants do damage his battery :-P
10:45:32LloreanB4gder: What do I need to do to read the i2c rom?
10:45:54Lloreanbarrywardell: With the current bootloader, you just need to shut down Rockbox on USB insert
10:45:55barrywardellmattzz: I think we can answer any questions you may have about it
10:45:55B4gderuhm, check one of them i2c commands
10:46:03B4gderi2cdump I believe
10:46:05LloreanB4gder: I tried i2cdump
10:46:31LloreanHow do I get my device in a mode where it shows up as 6666:e200 rather than 0781:0720
10:46:55B4gderyou don't force that
10:47:00Lloreanbarrywardell: The sansa wakes up on USB insert, and the bootloader starts the OF on USB detect, so shutting down on USB insert triggers a reboot into the OF ->USB mode
10:47:07B4gderas it requires you to first damage the i2c rom
10:47:22LloreanB4gder: Well, it's only looking for that.
10:47:39B4gderare you in manufactor mode when trying this?
10:47:46linuxstbbarrywardell: Do you want to release the bootloader with USB detection?
10:47:49LloreanB4gder: Yes
10:47:57B4gderok, weird
10:48:21Lloreane200tool only scans for 6666:e200 when invoking the i2cdump, it doesn't check for the other one, at least it doesn't say that it does.
10:48:47mattzzLlorean: I agree. Can we make sure that there is no loop (rockbox firmware −−> usb cable connect −−> reboot −−> rockbox firmware −−> usb...)
10:49:25Lloreanmattzz: Rockbox would have to not shut down if a USB cable is detected during startup then.
10:49:26mattzzI dont know if there is a way to reboot explicitely into OF without keypress while booting
10:49:35mattzzah, ok
10:49:42barrywardellLlorean: e200tool init, followed by e200tool i2cdump i2c.bin
10:49:48Lloreanmattzz: As I said, the current bootloader in SVN goes into the OF if the bootloader detects a USB cable. No keypress necessary
10:49:53barrywardellB4gder: mine is different
10:49:55Lloreanbarrywardell: I swear I did an init first.
10:50:11mattzzgotta go - cu
10:50:12Lloreanbarrywardell: I'll do it again
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10:50:26B4gderbarrywardell: and what model do you have? does it differ much?
10:50:33barrywardelle280
10:50:36B4gderhow come you can i2cdump but not Llorean?
10:50:39barrywardellit differs by 1 byte
10:50:54B4gdercare to share your dump?
10:50:55LloreanB4gder: e200tool init finds my device, but says it can't claim it.
10:51:05*Llorean hadn't noticed that bit.
10:51:09B4gderaha
10:51:23B4gderLlorean: have you successfully e200tooled your sansa before?
10:51:41LloreanB4gder: I've successfully e200tool inited without that failure to claim message.
10:51:50barrywardelllinuxstb: yes, I think it would be good to release.
10:52:37linuxstbbarrywardell: Do you have a binary?
10:53:24barrywardellB4gder: barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansa/i2c.bin">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansa/i2c.bin
10:53:35barrywardellB4gder: just byte 0x9 is different
10:53:47barrywardelllinuxstb: I can build and test one now...
10:53:49LloreanB4gder: Ah, sudo fixed everything
10:54:04B4gderbarrywardell: thanks
10:54:22LloreanOh, well, it fixed "init"
10:54:26LloreanBut not i2cdump
10:54:39barrywardellLlorean: are you in Manufacturing mode?
10:55:00Lloreanbarrywardell: Manufacturing mode is the mode in which the device just lights up the wheel and nothing else, right?
10:55:10barrywardellyeah, that's it
10:55:51LloreanI'll try reconnecting it.
10:55:58LloreanMaybe the failures earlier confused things
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11:03:53B4gderand... data abort
11:04:42LloreanB4gder: Apparently e200tool just doesn't like me. It's giving me bulk write errors while trying to initialize the USB stub now. =/
11:04:44barrywardelllinuxstb: barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansa/PP5022.mi4">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansa/PP5022.mi4
11:04:56LloreanApparently connection timed out.
11:05:48B4gderannoying
11:05:49barrywardelllinuxstb: that's svn r12896
11:06:45LloreanB4gder: Okay, that time it claimed to work, and the i2cdump still didn't work. I suspect it just hates me.
11:06:57barrywardellthe only new thing is usb detection and disabling database rebuild with firmware versions 01.01.11A and 1.00.12E
11:07:23barrywardellLlorean: are you doing this on windows? I've heard e200tool isn't too reliable there
11:07:34Lloreanbarrywardell: VMware
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11:07:53linuxstbbarrywardell: 404
11:08:17barrywardelllinuxstb: sorry, barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/PP5022.mi4">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/PP5022.mi4
11:09:48Lloreanbarrywardell: What I don't understand is, I thought it's not supposed to be searching for 6666:e200
11:10:16B4gderyes it is
11:10:23B4gderinit uploads new code that changes the ids
11:10:26LloreanAh
11:10:42*B4gder gets info from the secret feed...
11:10:51LloreanWell that's not working properly then. :)
11:10:58LloreanLet me see if I can check some things here
11:12:03LloreanAlright, my device vanishes from lsusb after e200tool init
11:12:51barrywardellLlorean: http://rafb.net/p/SzSxAX65.html <- that's what I did
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11:14:02Lloreanbarrywardell: With the exception of the '6666:e200 ... found!' and what follows, it looks exactly the same as my output
11:15:25B4gderI could dump my e260
11:15:49LloreanB4gder: I've figured out the problem
11:15:52LloreanIt's a VMWare thing
11:15:58LloreanI haven't figured out the solution yet, but I've got the problem
11:16:00B4gderoh, I did it with vmware just now
11:16:16LloreanOh. Well then.
11:16:30LloreanI have a big "Prototype Vendor ID USB device" button at the top of my VMWare window
11:16:39LloreanThat is blue, instead of white, indicating it's not connected.
11:16:43B4gderaha
11:16:47B4gdermine is white
11:17:12LloreanMine refuses to go white
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11:18:26B4gdermy e260 dump differs from MrH's
11:18:34eatnumber1if anyone is familiar with the powermgmt code, can they point me at where the charging mode is activated, and where the detection of the charger takes place? My ipod does not detect that it is charging, and so reboots after the timeout_interval
11:20:43linuxstbB4gder: Can you update the download site with http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip ?
11:21:09LloreanAlright, I think I'm ready to declare my VMWare "unwilling to cooperate". :(
11:21:42barrywardellB4gder: is it the same byte again? what model does MrH have?
11:22:08linuxstbeatnumber1: Which ipod do you have?
11:22:10B4gderthe same byte yes, as the first one (I only used cmp)
11:22:17LloreanOh, B4gder, and others, had you seen http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/rockbox ? I'm not sure when this sprouted up, but its RSS feed at least works a lot better than the gmane one.
11:22:19B4gdercomparing mine with your showed another diff
11:22:34B4gderbarrywardell: he has a 260, but I think he might have a euro version
11:23:02barrywardellmine's a US e280
11:23:14linuxstbeatnumber1: The function you need to complete for charger detection is firmware/target/arm/ipod/power-ipod.c
11:23:21B4gderI'm keeping MrH posted on the dumps
11:23:38eatnumber1linuxstb, I have a nano
11:24:48B4gderlinuxstb: done!
11:25:37eatnumber1hmm... i've never seen this syntax before... would someone please care to explain it to me?
11:25:41eatnumber1(GPIOL_INPUT_VAL & 0x08)?false:true
11:25:46linuxstbeatnumber1: The first thing to do is to go into the System -> Debug -> View I/O ports screen and see if you can identify how to detect the charger.
11:26:40linuxstbeatnumber1: That checks bit 3 of GPIO port L, returning false if it's 1, true if it's 0.
11:26:43Lloreaneatnumber1: if(GPIOL_INPUT_VAL & 0x08) then false else true, basically.
11:26:49eatnumber1ah, ok
11:27:46eatnumber1ok, i've got the gpio digits for charging and not charging
11:28:27linuxstbYou don't want "charging", you want "charger inserted". They are different.
11:29:02eatnumber1erm, yea, thats what I meant
11:29:25bluebrotherLlorean: nice page −− how about collecting such information in the wiki?
11:29:26eatnumber1GPIO_B changes from F9 to F8 when charger is plugged in
11:29:28linuxstbBut you need to test when the battery is fully charged, do make sure you do have the right one.
11:29:39linuxstb^to make sure
11:29:42eatnumber1ah
11:29:43eatnumber1ok
11:29:45bluebrotherthere are quite frequently questions about a rss feed.
11:29:49Lloreanbluebrother: I just stumbled across the page. I have no idea who registered us there.
11:30:03eatnumber1one problem is that rockbox reports the status of the battery wrong
11:30:06bluebrotherwe could have an ExternalRelatedPages page
11:31:21eatnumber1is there an elseifdef statement? Vim isn't highlighting #elseifdef
11:31:35bluebrother#else defined(foo)
11:31:41eatnumber1k
11:31:46bluebrothernah ...
11:32:04bluebrotherforget me ... was something like #elseif or #elif
11:32:14*bluebrother should get more coffee
11:32:52eatnumber1vim likes #elif defined( IPOD_NANO )
11:33:06bluebrotherguess vim is right then ;-)
11:33:11linuxstbeatnumber1: Yes, that's perfect.
11:34:22eatnumber1so since the gpio is changing from F9 to F8, that would be bit one I have to check?
11:35:07linuxstbYes - (GPIOB_INPUT_VAL & 0x01)
11:35:41eatnumber1ok, so i've got #elif defined( IPOD_NANO )
11:35:43eatnumber1return (GPIOB_INPUT_VAL & 0x01)?false:true;
11:36:12eatnumber1just gotta wait till it's charged to check that the bit doesn't change
11:36:58eatnumber1in the meantime, how could I improve the battery statusbar? Rockbox never reports correct battery information
11:37:43linuxstbI don't know how to do that, but I think it involves running the battery_bench plugin and analysing the results in order to convert voltage to percentage.
11:38:20eatnumber1oh yea, something I forgot... the #elif defined( IPOD_NANO ) statement, don't I have to define IPOD_NANO somewhere?
11:39:00linuxstbNo, the Rockbox build system defines that.
11:39:14eatnumber1ok
11:39:59eatnumber1oh, lol... looking at the rest of the code, it seems that bit one of GPIOB is for when it is charging =)
11:40:22eatnumber1it is probably the same as the video... on my ipod that GPIO also changes when I insert the charger
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11:43:20eatnumber1ok, ipod is charged... GPIOB changed, but GPIOL did not...
11:43:23*eatnumber1 compiles
11:44:19linuxstbeatnumber1: I think you may also need to modify firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h - to define CONFIG_CHARGING. I would just copy the same options from the ipod video config file.
11:46:03eatnumber1I don't see anything
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11:48:48eatnumber1what is the difference between the Normal and Advanced builds?
11:50:06linuxstbeatnumber1: Where are you looking? Search for "CHARGING" in config-ipodnano.h
11:50:20eatnumber1no, i mean in the build process
11:50:24linuxstbAdvanced builds are for players which have had their hardware modified.
11:50:29eatnumber1ah
11:51:19eatnumber1the only things there is for hardware controlled charging... which idk if the ipod can do
11:51:40linuxstbJust copy what's in config-ipodvideo.h
11:52:02eatnumber1ah, ok
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11:53:23eatnumber1hmm, in config-ipodnano.h there already is a commented out statement. The only difference between that statement and the one in ipodvideo.h is that ipodnano.h has CHARGING_SIMPLE and ipodvideo has CHARGING_MONITOR
11:53:30eatnumber1do you know what each does?
11:55:18eatnumber1arg, I assume I need a cross-compiler for the arm processor?
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12:07:53B4gdereatnumber1: you do, yes
12:08:37B4gdertools/rockboxdev.sh on anything except cygwin, for which we have prebuilt packages
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12:11:48eatnumber1is this something simple enough that I can just check it in w/o testing on my actual ipod?
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12:15:26linuxstbeatnumber1: What do you mean by "check it in" ? You can't commit code to Rockbox SVN unless you've been granted write access to it.
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12:15:52pondlifeeatnumber1: When you're happy with your work, put a patch on Flyspray for review
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12:16:15eatnumber1ah, ok... I assumed stupid things =)
12:16:44eatnumber1can it be a diff instead of a patch?
12:16:56linuxstbThey're the same thing.
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12:20:45eatnumber1can svn do a diff of a file that has not been checked in with the latest version?
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12:21:39linuxstbYes. If you haven't modified anything else, just do "svn diff > mypatch.diff" in the "rockbox" directory (i.e. the same level as apps, firmware, tools etc)
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12:22:25linuxstbIf you only want to include specific files, do something like "svn diff firmare/whereever/file1.c firmware/whereever/file2.c > mypatch.diff"
12:23:36eatnumber1k
12:23:42eatnumber1and where should I post it?
12:24:13markunlinuxstb, preglow: I hope the reply will be a 'yes' :) http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-March/025811.html
12:24:14linuxstbClick on the "patches" link on the Rockbox home page (in the menu on the left)
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12:27:48eatnumber1ok, it seems to work fine on my ipod
12:28:30std|nahello
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12:30:14preglowmarkun: would put a smile on my face, yes
12:32:45markunpreglow: if only it was easier to import the ffmpeg codecs
12:34:43std|denisgive me a hint, please, why rockbox shutting down right after the start in normal startup, and running ok in USB mode?
12:35:30eatnumber1well in flyspray, patch number 4984 is for a wma codec taken from ffmpeg
12:35:53markunstd|denis: low battery?
12:36:29markuneatnumber1: I know, I'm just saying it would be nice if it was easier to make such a patch
12:37:16eatnumber1markun, ah
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12:38:31std|denismarkun: but it should show me "WARNING! BATTERY LOW!!" message. isn't it?
12:38:49markunstd|denis: yes, it should.
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12:39:06std|denisbut it did't
12:39:50std|denisafter some reconnects of USB and starting original, iRiver's, firmware it working now as it should..
12:40:49preglowmarkun: benjamin larsson = merbanan (in here) ?
12:40:59B4gderyes
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12:41:23preglowthe email addy made me suspect, yes
12:41:24preglowheh
12:41:33preglowdamn, i've been meaning to have a serious look at ffmpeg
12:41:39preglowbut somehow it just doesn't happen
12:47:36nlspreglow: is there anything stopping a commit of tomals vorbis patches, in FS #6848?
12:47:53preglownls: well, the latest comment doesn't sound too good
12:50:54nlspreglow: right... could you post your changes someplace?
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12:52:24preglowi have to run very soon
12:52:36preglowjust put swap32() around the only two ptr array accesses you see
12:52:47preglowthat's not commitable, of course, but works
12:52:47nlsok, thanks
12:53:03preglowat least for coldfire, that again will destroy arm :>
12:53:26nlscouldn't we use something like letoh() ?
12:54:05preglowyes
12:54:39nlsmaybe ther's a more clever way
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13:00:04LinusNwell, we have those macros
13:00:11LinusNsystem.h
13:02:40preglownls: but no, i'd love to see them commited
13:02:45preglownice gain with not too much code
13:03:37*preglow indulges in one more nag before leaving: any makefile gurus around that could have a look at (the most annoying) fs #6847?
13:03:41preglowhttp://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-March/025811.html
13:03:50preglowyes, spurious paste day
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13:13:55jhMikeSpreglow: odd, I haven't noticed happen but I'm using make 3.81 ... all I can really say about it
13:14:49jhMikeSI remember encountering the need for double makes with the old version I had...not just for codecs
13:15:14nlsthere's another fun one, but not as anoyying, when running make -j it errors out on codec_crt0.o file not found...
13:15:32nlssometimes, not always
13:15:56linuxstbnls: Yes, I get that sometimes (with make -j)
13:22:41LinusNthe codec double-make is a dependency problem
13:23:30linuxstbCan you see the problem?
13:23:34LinusNyes
13:24:20jhMikeSnext logical question: can anything be done about it?
13:24:28amiconnThere's a probably related problem: In simulator builds, codecs are always relinked, even if issuing 'make' with no changes at all
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13:27:40jhMikeSI never used -j so I guess that explains it
13:32:21linuxstbAny amd64 users around who can update the sansapatcher binary? You need to have http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 in the rbutil/sansapatcher directory, and then just type "make".
13:32:34linuxstb^linux amd64 users
13:33:46nlslinuxstb: sure, but I don't have a sansa so I can't test...
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13:36:33thewhoIs anyone familiar with the code in tree.c? Specifically dirbrowse()? What does it return? Declared is int, but there are some "return false" and "return true".
13:36:39nlslinuxstb: ok, it gave me a warning but the binary runs... should I post it somewhere?
13:37:03thewhoOr is it one big mess?
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13:41:50linuxstbnls: Thanks. We need to give it to LinusN or B4gder/Bagder so they can put it on the download server.
13:42:04linuxstbIs it just a single printf warning?
13:42:19nlssansapatcher.c:710: warning: format ‘%llu’ expects type ‘long long unsigned int’, but argument 2 has type ‘loff_t’
13:42:29nlsso, yeah I guess so
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13:49:07amiconnoff_t can be unsigned long long or unsigned long depending on arch
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13:50:11B4gderthey invented the z modifier for that
13:50:16B4gder%zd
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13:50:52B4gderhm, or was that for size_t?
13:50:54thewhoAnyone on dirbrowse()?
13:51:15nlsBagder: could I send you the updated sansapatcher?
13:51:27B4gdernls: sure, mail it my way
13:54:36barrywardellare we gonna make an announcement about sansapatcher?
13:54:44barrywardellin the forums? mailing list?
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13:55:00B4gdersounds like a good idea (both)
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13:57:33barrywardellShould we just update the manual and point people there? or to the wiki?
13:59:54aliaskWhy not all of the above?
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14:00:21barrywardellit's good to have one consistent place to direct people to
14:00:32barrywardelland only one set of instructions to keep up to date
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14:16:04linuxstbI think we should remove the instructions from the wiki, and make the manual the only source. That's been done for ipods now.
14:16:49linuxstbUSB detection in the bootloader is probably a good thing to use to persuade people to upgrade their bootloader to the sansapatcher way.
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14:25:56Webgiestare there any e2xx users here that have noticed a strange screen bug "screen fills with black with vertical lines" since the double buffer commit?
14:27:42Webgiestcan't reproduce it right away and its happened before "on startup" but never this freqently and never after RB has started completely
14:28:27nlsWebgiest: are you using the most recent bootloader
14:29:31Webgiestno im not, but I was told yesturday that it wasn't needed
14:30:44Webgiestits not the starting up bug that gets me it happens while playing music and playing games since yesturday
14:31:00Webgiestat the same time*
14:31:00nlsWebgiest: well updating wouldn't hurt, it can now even detect usb in the bootloader which eill send you directly to the of
14:31:19nlsbut yeah it probably wont help...
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14:35:20Webgiestwell just curious to see if im the only one experiancing this bug I'll try the latest build on my other e2xx today and see if happens again
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15:19:14KCCheyy everybody, hows rockbox comin along?
15:19:29KCChavent used by box'd gigabeat in almost 2 months now, anything new and exciting?
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15:19:47nlsit's coming along nicely, check the changelog
15:20:10B4gder2 month is pretty long by rockbox standards
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15:22:05KCCI see theres quite a few new WPS
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15:22:11KCCyou guys are awesome hahaa
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15:23:41jac0bis there any headway on the low volume on the sansa
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15:46:28Nergarhello, i have a X5 and i want to know what does rockbox offers
15:47:31B4gderit offers fame, glory and profit!
15:47:41B4gderwe just haven't figured out exactly how yet
15:47:51B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
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15:48:15B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison
15:51:39Nergarreading
15:52:49DataGhostha
15:52:56DataGhostnice to read something, forgetting the context
15:53:07DataGhostI thought you were talking about a car :)
15:54:26Nergardoes rockbox supports wma?
15:54:34markunnot yet
15:54:36Nergaraand video playback in the x5?
15:54:42markunyes
15:54:52markunMPEG1/2
15:55:07Nergar4?
15:55:15Nergarwell, xvid?
15:55:24B4gderyou need to transcode anyway, so there's no need for mpeg4
15:55:50markunNergar: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
15:56:33markunNergar: it's still work on progress
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15:56:46Nergarok, how safe is it?
15:57:03Nergari guess, since it is a 2.5 it must be really safe
15:57:06B4gdervery safe
15:57:12B4gderit isn't 2.5 for the x5 though
15:57:21Nergar:S
15:57:25markunNergar: we gave up on releases after 2.5 :)
15:57:36Nergarwhy?
15:58:01markunIt didn't really work when we tried to get a 3.0 release
15:58:08markunbut maybe we can try again
15:58:37Nergargonna try it, i almost bricked my x5 a few moments ago when formatting the hdd of the x5
15:59:26B4gderwhy would that brick an x5?
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16:00:17markunNergar: I think rockbox doesn't add too much on the X5 compared to other Players (like the Gigabeat which is unusable for many people without rockbox)
16:00:45Nergarso, should i try it or not?
16:01:26markunNergar: try it and if you don't like it you can always switch back
16:01:46NergarB4gder, cus my lappy crashed while formatting then, windows couldn't recognize the device
16:01:55markunIf you don't expect too much of it, it can only be better than expected :)
16:02:06Nergarlol
16:02:19markunI think people use the term 'bricked' too much
16:03:06hcsIf I had a brick for every time 'bricked' was misused...
16:03:09markunat least I only consider a DAP to be a brick when it cannot be fixed anymore
16:03:26markunhcs: a castle!
16:03:35nlsmarkun: so true...
16:03:49Nergarwell, linux had no problem formatting my x5
16:03:55markunor we could make a big ROCKBOX logo on the top of a hill in Sweden somewhere out of brick
16:04:05B4gderyay
16:04:30*nls would volounteer if someone gave me the bricks :-)
16:04:42hcsmarkun: or we could throw them through the windows of Apple's offices until they give up the ipod specs
16:04:43markunWhere people take their children for a picknick in the weekend..
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16:05:07B4gder"look kids, that's the REAL rockbox brick construction"
16:05:07markunhcs: now you are just dreaming :)
16:05:15nlshcs: but does apple have windows in it's offices? :-P
16:05:26markun;)
16:05:40hcsshould've called it "brickbox"
16:05:53Nergarlmao @ nls
16:06:20hcsnls: ah, got it, heh
16:06:49bluebrotherdoes the Rockbox office have bricks in the walls? ;-)
16:08:01Nergarbrb
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16:30:46Nergarok, i'm lost
16:30:55bluebrotherwhere?
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16:31:16Nergarthe manual says i need to download a release, and also the font package
16:31:37Nergarbut it doesn't say anithing on where to place the font package
16:31:38bluebrotherthere is no release for the x5. Use a "current build" instead
16:31:50bluebrotherthe font package is on the archived builds page
16:32:00Nergaryes, i have both
16:32:11Nergarbut where do i place the font package?
16:32:16bluebrotherah, no. On the extras page ;-)
16:32:23bluebrotherjust extract it like the build
16:32:32bluebrotherit should create files in /.rockbox/fonts
16:32:49bluebrotherand the zip has the structure in itself.
16:33:46Nergaroh, ok so i overwrite the current build with the fonts package?
16:34:20nlsNergar: it will not overwrite anything
16:34:20bluebrotheryou could say so
16:34:38bluebrotherit won't overwrite but only add files, but it's some case of "overwriting"
16:34:50Nergaryes, i know, but it WILL ask me if i want to overwrite
16:34:55bluebrotherI guess windows will warn you about the possibility of overwriting files
16:36:01*nls wishes rbutil was released and all this would be "click the button"...
16:36:07Nergarany OS
16:36:19bluebrothernot any
16:36:27nlswindows, macos, linux and possibly bsd
16:36:45bluebrotherwhen unzipping a build from linux using the command line unzip it only asks if there are already files existing
16:36:51*bluebrother does this regularly
16:37:33Nergarwell, command line is another thing
16:37:42nlsbluebrother: yes, me to I even made a script that does make && make zip && unzip ... && eject :-)
16:38:01bluebrotherhehe ... haven't bothered with that yet
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16:40:02Nergarmmm, i did something wrong
16:40:40markunNergar: what did you do wrong? (or why do you think you did)
16:40:43Nergarlmao, i used the original x5 FW as a bootloader
16:40:46bluebrothernls: do you know what "error -3" means? I sometimes get this on my h120, but it works fine
16:41:25nlsbluebrother, nope
16:41:43bluebrotherstrange. Just read a report on the forums about that.
16:43:35nlsbluebrother: looks like "wrong model"
16:44:10Nergarmmm, didn't like the GUI
16:44:24bluebrotherselect a different theme
16:44:30Nergarwhere?
16:44:34bluebrotherthe default one isn't the nicest
16:44:57bluebrothermain menu / settings / browse themes
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16:46:38Nico_P... we need an FAQ entry about album art
16:47:07Nico_Pthe same question keeps coming over and over again : "when will this patch be committed ?"
16:47:24bluebrother"never"
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16:49:03Nergarthe themes sux
16:49:17bluebrothertried iCatcher?
16:49:23Nergaryes
16:49:30Nergarso minimalistics
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16:49:48bluebrotherthen you might want to visit the WpsGallery in the wiki and / or rockbox-themes.org
16:53:27Nico_Pbluebrother: nooo :) "when MoB is in"
16:53:40linuxstbNico_P: Then it will be a different patch...
16:54:01Nico_Plinuxstb: I'll have it in the same tracker entry
16:54:14Nico_Pbut I see your point
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16:57:57flukehello, i want to know how you port the rockbox to a new mp3 player.
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16:58:18nlsfluke: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NewPort
16:58:42flukethank you ,i 'll check it out
16:58:56linuxstbfluke: Which player?
16:59:52markunNergar: I think that the rockbox looks matter more to the non-developers than developers.
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17:00:16Nergaryep, taking a look to the themes
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17:03:28bluebrotherNico_P: AlbumArt is useless :D
17:04:49Nico_Pbluebrother: now that's a provovation :)
17:04:58Nico_Pprovocation*
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17:05:34flukei have some experience to C programming, but I haven't done anything to microchip. and, im not an english speaker, i have a little problem in reading english information. :(
17:06:13bluebrotherhehe
17:06:40bluebrotherfluke: have you checked if your player can upgrade its firmware?
17:06:58linuxstbfluke: Which player do you want to port Rockbox to?
17:06:58Nico_Pfluke: where are you from ?
17:07:04GodEater_MoB is supposed to allow reading an arbitrary
17:07:11GodEater_amount of metadata per track yes ?
17:07:40GodEater_doesn't this mean that you'd need album art per mp3/ogg/<format of your choice> ?
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17:07:51sbehhi, is there any way to reset a sandisk sansa e260 with original firmware?
17:08:15toffe82all these talk about alurm art and other looks like the the fight between kde and gnome, some like the to tweak things (dev), some like easy things (users), choose your side ;)
17:08:29toffe82album^^
17:08:39flukethe vendor(the mp3 maker, i dont know if i spelt it wrong) provide a software to upgrade the firmware, but i want to add some function to my mp3, so i think of porting rockbox to it
17:09:26flukeim from china, my mp3 is an old-style one, ANECA sf810
17:09:46sbehthe vendor's firmware on my sandisk sansa e260 hangs, is the only way to get it back working to wait until the batteries are discharged?
17:10:20linuxstbGodEater_: I'm not sure what you mean... Do you mean we need to buffer one image per audio track?
17:10:21GodEater_toffe82, I think the main argument around album art is it's implementation - it'll always be a personal choice as to whether or not to use that implementation.
17:10:46toffe82ok
17:10:47GodEater_linuxstb, not that we *need* to no
17:10:54nlssbeh: hold down power for about 15 seconds
17:11:05markunfluke: your english seems fine to me, don't worry :)
17:11:29markunfluke: do you know what kind of hardware is inside the SF810?
17:11:30GodEater_linuxstb, the description of MoB as it was explained to me was to load metadata for a given track into part of the audio buffer?
17:11:52linuxstbNo, it's to load metadata for every track into the audio buffer, immediately before the track itself.
17:12:05GodEater_every track in the playlist ?
17:12:13linuxstbEvery track that is buffered.
17:12:18sbehnls: ah, thank you
17:12:35GodEater_and that metadata can come from anywhere? Not just the tracks themselves ?
17:13:02linuxstbIt's whatever the "get_metadata(filename)" function reads for that file.
17:13:26GodEater_so for album art that could include just the .bmp file in the same directory as the track
17:13:28GodEater_I see
17:13:43GodEater_when I read metadata, I just assumed tags
17:14:01linuxstbNo, it's everything surrounding the track. Lyrics have also been mentioned.
17:14:04fluke<markun> , i dont know, i'll check it out by google, and i plan to buy a 2nd-hand ipod, then maybe i can add some function to the current rockbox firmware
17:14:08GodEater_I should remember what's said about assumption :)
17:15:05linuxstb:)
17:15:14GodEater_how large is the audio buffer on a swcodec target typically ?
17:15:17flukethe reason i want to port the firmware, is not only to satisfy my need but also to improve my programming skill, im a colledge student in Computer Science
17:15:42markunfluke: ok, great
17:15:47markunwelcome to rockbox :)
17:16:12flukei come from the Google Code of Summer page
17:16:27markunwe also have a chinese translation, but it's difficult to find good fonts
17:16:36linuxstbGodEater: The 32MB targets have about 29MB for the audio buffer, depending on things like the database, dircache etc.
17:17:10linuxstbSome targets are 16MB, and the 60GB/80GB ipod videos are 64MB.
17:17:20GodEater_and is the audio buffer the one which contains the compressed data, or the uncompressed pcm ?
17:17:21flukeI think I need some time to get familiar with your project, If I could do it , I want to make it support Chinese language
17:17:29linuxstbGodEater: The compressed data.
17:17:40GodEater_so there should be plenty of room really then
17:17:46linuxstbThere's a 512KB buffer for the uncompressed PCM.
17:18:17markunfluke: we already have support for the chinese language
17:18:20fluke<markun>, I didn't know you have a chinese translation
17:19:02markunfluke: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/
17:19:14markunchinese-simp.lang and chinese-trad.lang
17:19:17flukeok , i'll take a look at the wiki, i think i don't know enough about this project
17:19:35linuxstbGodEater: Currently Rockbox (swcodec) has a hard-coded limit of 32 tracks which can be buffered at the same time. So we have an array of 32 metadata structs. So adding album-art cleanly (i.e. not performing additional disk spin-ups) would mean reserving buffer space for 32 images.
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17:23:46linuxstbfluke: I think your player has a Sigmatel 3520 inside - the same as the iriver I5/G2/U2 players. This is a problem...
17:24:54flukewhy? it has an encrypt machantrism?
17:25:14linuxstbIt's a DSP and there is no free C compiler for it.
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17:26:11flukewhat cpu does ipod have? ARM?
17:26:25linuxstbIt has two 75MHz arm7tdmi processors.
17:26:49flukelooks very powerful
17:26:58markunit's not :)
17:27:25flukeit's only an mp3 player
17:27:27markunwell, it depends to what you compare it of course
17:27:35linuxstbRockbox only uses one of the two CPUs at the moment - but work is ongoing to use the second one.
17:28:03markunfluke: the Gigabeat has a 300MHz ARM9 (but yes, that's overkill for a mp3 player)
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17:29:49fluketo use two cpu at the same time(i dont know how to spell the word "simotaniously"), do you nees a parell algorithm?
17:30:10flukesomething like distributed system
17:31:54markunfluke: we will run some things on one processor and other things on the other. UI on the first and mp3 decoding on the second for example.
17:32:32markunor video decoding on one and audio decoding on the other
17:32:36fluke:) anyway, it's a good way
17:33:33flukecan i just ask you something out of the topic of rockbox?
17:33:47markunfluke: it depends..
17:34:03markunmostly if people ask off-topic stuff they are just told "this is #rockbox"
17:34:24flukeoh, i understand
17:34:50toffe82markun: this is a good one http://www.zune-linux.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=12
17:39:04markuntoffe82: too bad he's the only one who knows what he is talking about
17:39:17toffe82yes
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17:43:42flukedo you use hardware simulator? like arm simulator
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17:48:07flukedo you use a ipod simulator to test your code or on the real machine?
17:48:51nlsfluke: we have a ui simulator that runs ui code on a computer the rest is real testing on devices
17:50:01linuxstbfluke: The Rockbox "simulator" is not an emulator - it is Rockbox compiled to run on your PC - i.e. x86 code.
17:50:33linuxstbmarkun: I find his #2 optimistic though...
17:50:35flukeim checking out the codes from your svn, can you tell me what ui do you use? by yourown or minigui or some other open source ui?
17:50:53linuxstbOur own.
17:51:12linuxstbIt's a very simple, mainly text-based UI.
17:51:55flukei saw some game plugins on your wiki for ipod-port
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17:52:36linuxstbThe game plugins run on all ports - Rockbox is 99% the same on all players.
17:53:20flukewhy does you just allow one plugin run on the same time?
17:53:39flukehow to you implement the plugin
17:53:46perl|workhaha scummvm for the summer of code
17:53:48perl|worknice
17:54:40markunlinuxstb: maybe a bit optimistic, but I've emailed with this guy and he really knows what he is talking about.
17:54:41flukeis rockbox only a single-process os?
17:55:22markunfluke: no, we have threads
17:56:13flukeso if you wish, you can allow more than one plugin run on the same time?
17:56:42flukeyou make plugin a sub-thread (like fork) or something diferent?
17:57:14linuxstbNo, plugins run in the main (UI) thread.
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17:57:56flukehehe, thank you for your patient
17:58:10pirokoDoes the 4G ipod still have the cpu-frequency-scaling-crash-bug?
17:58:19Nico_Plinuxstb: the guy says himself it might sound a little optimistic
17:58:29sbehfluke: if you don`t like it, you`re free to patch the code :P
17:58:39Nico_Pmarkun: mayeb you should suggest he worked with toffe82 ?
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18:02:38amiconnfluke: A plugin can spawn a (limited number of) threads, but then it would still not be easily be possible to run several plugins at once
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18:03:00amiconnFirst, co-ordinating screen access would become a problem.
18:03:17linuxstbfluke: Another important thing to realise about Rockbox is that there is no dynamic memory allocation.
18:03:38amiconnBut even simpler, plugins are statically linked to a fixed address, so you can't run 2 without changing the whole way plugins are handled
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18:05:30flukeim learning microchip system development this term in school, i heard of something like you said, linuxstb.
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18:07:23linuxstbfluke: Goodnight.
18:07:24flukethank you!
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18:10:59markunnice to have some devs from asia for a change
18:11:20markunI would have expected some japanese hackers to join us because of the Gigabeat port
18:11:27markunmaybe a language problem..
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18:13:49leftrightamiconn: how would you rate the M5's sound versus the H1xx ?
18:13:55lnxmomois anyone here using rockbox on an apple ipod?
18:14:02barrywardelllinuxstb: I just added the installation instructions from the wiki to the manual
18:14:36lnxmomowill rockbox read music that i put in using the apple firmware
18:14:37lnxmomo?
18:14:40barrywardelllinuxstb: just need to add the uninstall and OF booting stuff and then I think we can get rid of the wiki page like you suggested
18:15:37leftrightlnxmomo: i do believe that your question is answered in the manual and on the wiki
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18:15:58linuxstbbarrywardell: Sounds good. Did you base the .tex on the ipod part of the manual? bluebrother (I think) did a lot of code-policing on my ipod install instructions, so they should be good...
18:16:08leftrighti dont own any apples, so dont know apples from apples
18:16:19lnxmomok
18:16:21pirokolnxmomo: It can
18:16:29lnxmomoi have yet to find the answer
18:17:05markunlnxmomo: did you find the FAQ?
18:17:07amiconnleftright: I can'
18:17:08lnxmomothx piroko
18:17:12barrywardelllinuxstb: yeah, I copied the ipod manual instructions, and mostly just replaced ipod with sansa :)
18:17:13pirokoNo problemo
18:17:29lnxmomodo you own one piroko and tried it?
18:17:32amiconnt really speak about the sound of the M5 specifically, but it's the same as X5 because the audio hw is identical
18:17:33pirokoSure do
18:17:36markunlnxmomo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_access_music_that_I_hav
18:17:57amiconnThe headphone amp is definitely less noisy than the iriver's
18:17:57leftrightamiconn, is there a difference in sound quality between the two ?
18:18:24amiconnBut it has no hardware tone control
18:18:42pirokoSo the wiki is up-to-date then about the ipod lockup bug still being present in the 4G?
18:18:50amiconnCan't really speak about line-out quality as I usually use s/pdif at home
18:19:11leftrightah, I have very low impedance headphones, so was wondering if the M5 would be better at driving them than the H140
18:19:34nlspiroko: yes, but it is triggered much less often now that the support for the cop is in svn
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18:19:59pirokoAwesome. Thanks nls
18:20:39nlsleftright: iirc jhMikeS said that the x5 was sounding noticably better than the h100 for playback while the h100 was better for recording
18:20:46markunNico_P: toffe has also emailed with him
18:20:46amiconnleftright: I really can't say that. My earphones are only 16 ohms, but all targets can drive them fine at my usual listening volumes
18:21:05leftrightthanks
18:23:05leftrighthmm, i think i'll wait on the next gen Kenwood player as my next DAP
18:23:45nlsleftright: are those available outside asia?
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18:24:16leftrightnot sure, but i go there frequently, so i take a peek
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18:35:37barrywardellnow we can refer people to the manual for sansa install/uninstall/dual-boot instructions
18:36:17nlsbarrywardell: might be a good idea to wait until the new amuals are built :-)
18:36:51barrywardellhaha, true. I made that mistake with the H10 manuals recently too. When are they rebuilt?
18:37:40nlsI think at the same time the dailies are iirc 4am here which is gmt+1
18:38:50linuxstbbarrywardell: There's no rush to delete the wiki page - just do it tomorrow sometime.
18:39:32barrywardellyeah, It's pretty much identical to the manual now anyway
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18:51:07pirokolinuxstb: Yellowdog seems to have the best support
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19:13:03lnxmomowhere do i download the daily builds from? I am at the website and looking at the list of builds but there are no download options
19:14:06nlsclick "latest" under the picture of your player
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19:14:26*pixelma wonders whether linuxstb lives in the future ;)
19:14:38nlsor if you are in the current builds page, scroll down and click your player
19:15:03lnxmomook
19:15:24linuxstbpixelma: ?
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19:16:12pixelmalinuxstb: in your forumpost about loader 2.4 release you said "which was around May 2007 IIRC"
19:16:29linuxstb:) I guess I should edit that...
19:17:18pixelmaI'm just nitpicking again :D
19:17:20linuxstbpixelma: Thanks, fixed now.
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20:13:40*Domonoky likes to remove the Wizards from rbutil. The Screen would then look like this: domonoky/rbutil-bootloaderInstall.jpg">http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil-bootloaderInstall.jpg any objections ??
20:16:21*amiconn thinks it's slightly funny that the image shows one of the devices where we don't need a bootloader by default
20:16:30Domonoky:-)
20:16:50Domonokyif someone provides another nice image, i could change it.. :-)
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20:18:30leftrightI find the "politeness" in the menus excessive, "please select firmware", why not just "select firmware", no need to be that polite surely
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20:21:22Domonoky:-)
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20:24:17nlsDomonoky: looks nice.
20:25:02Domonokynls: ok, i will continue working on it, at the moment its non-functional :-)
20:25:22leftrightheh, well looking at other apps and manuals which i use, excessive politeness isn't required in applications/manuals, if it were an invite to dinner then be polite by all means
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21:16:16ghostI believe I found a bug
21:17:09linuxstbThat's not unheard of..
21:17:22ghostlol
21:17:41ghostwell, I just want to inform
21:18:15scorcheLlorean: i assume you dealt with the latest reported post?
21:18:18ghostmetronome shuts off the backlight...never heard of a bug like that
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21:19:01ghostok, nevermind
21:19:48Soapscorche: the "dog" one?
21:19:56scorcheyeah...
21:20:11Soapdid I miss something regarding that post?
21:20:45Soap(not miss as in "missed the conversation" but missed as in "over Soap's head")
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21:21:17scorchewell, either the post he reported was deleted, or he reported a useless reporting
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21:22:36LloreanNo, he reported the last post in that thread, the one that's still there.
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21:22:45LloreanThe message numbers match up
21:23:29scorcheaye, but why did he report it?
21:23:43LloreanI dunno
21:23:58scorche"...or he reported a useless reporting"
21:24:01Soapwrong button was my assumption.
21:24:09LloreanThe user who reported it appears to be able to type in complete sentences, has no history of problem posts (only two posts ever) or inane comments on things.
21:24:20Llorean"dog" is a bit of a weird reason for reporting, yes.
21:24:47LloreanAnyway, I am not hear. Just saw the window flashing before I headed out for a while.
21:24:55Lloreanhere
21:25:28scorcheget me one of those....things (i forgot what they are called) while you are out!
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21:36:02mattzzlinuxstb: yep, I just saw who is in the TwikiAdminGroup
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21:37:46sneh1621hello
21:38:04sneh1621is there an automatic installer in order to install ROCKBOX?
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21:38:32mh__hi.
21:38:46sneh1621is there an automatic installer in order to install ROCKBOX?
21:38:57linuxstbsneh1621: What player do you want to install Rockbox onto? (and no need to ask twice...)
21:39:04mh__pretty nice chan u guys got here, never been around.. I'm an old efnet veteran (never heard of freenode)
21:39:05nlssneh1621: it's kind of unfinished so it is recomended that you follow the instructions in the manusl
21:39:06sneh1621iPod
21:39:13sneh1621sorry for asking twice
21:39:35nlss/a
21:39:38linuxstbYou can try the work-in-progress installer here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility - but the install instructions in the manual are very straightforward.
21:40:10mh__I know it's annoying to see someone come in and ask a question, but I'm curious if you guys know of a build (5g ipod) that has the stardict-tools in it.
21:40:47mh__trying to get wiki to work w/ my rockbox but I get insane amonts of errors when I try to make & build through cygwin
21:40:48sneh1621it doesn't say where to download the work in progress installer
21:41:04linuxstbsneh1621: The download link is at the very bottom of that page.
21:41:46linuxstbmh__: Have you browsed the "unsupported builds" forum?
21:41:47sneh1621is the link a box with the words attachment, action, size, ect, ect
21:41:53sneh1621no i have not
21:41:59sneh1621oh sorry
21:42:55mh__linux, yeah I checked the forum but didn't see a build with star-dict off hand.
21:43:20mh__though it seems logical to include it in a build, considering wikipedia on the ipod seems very promising
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21:43:41mh__I'd do it myself but again I have endless errors when trying to compile on cygwin
21:43:51linuxstbWhat's the first error?
21:44:35mh__I'm at a library atm so I don't have acces to the log files, just had a few free mins and figured I'd drop by and check to see if you guys knew a build that had the stardict by chance
21:45:15linuxstbI don't think people here generally follow all the unofficial builds - we just concentrate on the single official build.
21:45:21mh__I see
21:45:40mh__well thanks for the help, I'll check it out in more detail & maybe stop by with the errors later. thanks again
21:45:57sneh1621yea im having trouble finding the link, in order to download the work in progress installer for rockbox
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21:47:52linuxstbsneh1621: Assuming you're using Windows, click on rbutil-win32-v0.3.0.zip
21:47:53nlssneh1621: use the official instructions in the manual
21:48:16linuxstbOr do what nls says - I think you will find them easier.
21:49:18sneh1621My iPod is updated with iTunes 7 ( don't know if that is relevant to anything or not)
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21:55:20sneh1621Is there a way to downgrade your iPod, while you still use iTunes 7??
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21:55:45linuxstbI've no idea - that's unrelated to Rockbox.
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22:03:03sneh1621Wow.
22:03:15sneh1621The work in progress installer works well
22:03:20sneh1621I'm impressed
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22:07:56SoapI can't think, offhand, of a need to downgrade an iPod before Rockbox installation. I know there /was/ an issue at one point in time, but is there still?
22:08:40linuxstbThere hasn't been for a long time. The only problem I can remember is when Apple changed the layout of the firmware partition on the Nano, and no-one noticed...
22:11:59sneh1621Could somone give me a link as to where I could download Rockboy?
22:12:46linuxstbYou've already downloaded it - it's installed with Rockbox. You start it by selecting a .gb or .gbc file in the file browser, not via the "browse plugins" menu.
22:13:27sneh1621Just making this clear, asking where to find roms is illegal, right?
22:13:48scorcheno...asking where to find copywrited roms is illegal
22:13:51scorchehomebrew are fine
22:13:53nlsnot asking but actually downloading them, so we will not tell you ;-)
22:14:08nlsah, yeah teh homebrews are fine
22:14:14sneh1621Okay thanks.
22:14:34nlsor ripping your own cartridges of coures
22:15:16scorchenls: well, he was asking about asking for roms ;)(
22:15:55billytwowillyasking where isn't illegal, it's downloading/using them that is illegal. I think people just don't like it when you ask in here;)
22:16:18scorchebillytwowilly: regardless, it is against the guidelines to ask in here
22:16:24billytwowillynls: beat me too it.. I should read faster/more before talking;)
22:16:46scorcheso, if people asked a cop where to find child porn, they wouldnt be arrested for anything?
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22:17:16billytwowillyThat might fall under soliciting a minor. You would have to ask a lawyer
22:17:41shelly33anyone up for a quick tech question?
22:17:51SoapRockbox tech?
22:17:52billytwowillyanyone try rockboy on the sansa?
22:18:37shelly33i have a iriver120 w rockbox - i am selling it and the person doesnt want rockbox...can i just delete .rockbox folder from the root and player will go back to being unpatched?
22:18:41sneh1621I haven't.
22:19:18scorcheshelly33: there should be an uninstallation guide in the manual
22:19:29nlsthere is
22:19:57shelly33uninstallation of firmware is covered in the users guide?
22:20:30scorchein the manual, yes...as we said
22:20:32shelly33i wouldnt have thought they'd cover that
22:20:40shelly33ok, thanks, let me look
22:21:12SoapThough I find it a moral issue - The selling of precious H1xx, H3xx players to non-Rockboxians.
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22:21:37Soap;)
22:22:10shelly33i agree, but what can i do?
22:22:40linuxstbSell it to someone else? :)
22:22:42SoapToo late this time. Next time PM Soap with all your coldfire offers!
22:22:49shelly33wanna buy one?
22:24:00sneh1621I'm having trouble booting into the regular Apple firmware from Rockbox.
22:24:22linuxstbsneh1621: Have you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ ?
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22:24:44Soapsneh1621: is your Rockbox bootloader black text on a (light) blue screen or white text on a black screen?
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22:25:01Soapshelly33: PM?
22:25:37linuxstbSoap: Or no text at all with the latest bootloader...
22:25:51shelly33hi soap
22:26:04Soapahh poop - I have fallen behind!
22:26:13SoapI missed that.
22:27:24BigMacHey who here is a gigabeat user?
22:27:32*Soap is
22:27:47Soapshelly33: dmhall AT google'
22:27:50Soaps mail
22:28:06Soap(don't want to use the full address in here, but I think you grok)
22:28:16BigMacSoap: What type of case do you have, I am looking for a decent one
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22:28:39Soapnone yet BigMac, still looking also. There aren't many options, #gigabeat
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22:29:16BigMacWell does it scratch as easily as the ipod?
22:29:49shelly33soap - pm ?
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22:30:26Soapshelly33: feel free to email me, as you can't Private Message me on here.
22:30:41shelly33i responded to your PM before
22:30:48shelly33where to email?
22:31:14scorcheshelly33: on freenode, you have to be identified to nickserv to message the default user
22:31:21shelly33i have sent you a PM - appears I have a PM box with you'
22:31:43scorcheshelly33: see what i just said...it wont go to them
22:31:48shelly33ok
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22:32:53shelly33i don't see anyplace in the manual to uninstall firmware....i am trying to get rockbox off of a iriver 120 (selling it to a girl that doesn't want RB on there)
22:33:20shelly33how can I email you Soap?
22:33:28nlsshelly33: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-150002.6
22:33:35Soapdmhall at google's email service.
22:33:49Lloreanshelly33: Firstly, I'd suggest you strongly recommend to her that she try Rockbox first. On the H120 the only thing you lose is WMA playback, and you gain a whole host of features, including better battery life which is useful even if you don't want the rest.
22:33:52shelly33thank you nls
22:36:12shelly33i agree Llorean and have told her, but she is a noob and doesnt know anything other than that she wants a "new one"
22:36:17shelly33dumb, I know
22:37:07LloreanDid you try asking her simply why she wants a "new one"?
22:37:32shelly33she has no clue..i use it for gapless
22:37:55LloreanShe wants a new one, but has explicitly said she doesn't know why?
22:38:20shelly33she doesnt understand firmware or upgrades etc...wants to use the ON button etc
22:38:24shelly33whatever I guess
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22:38:49LloreanShe doesn't need to understand firmware or upgrades... you're not really making any sense.
22:39:04LloreanRockbox doesn't disabled any buttons, either.
22:39:17toffe82Soap, BigMac : I found this one http://cgi.ebay.com/White-Skin-Case-for-Toshiba-Gigabeat-Armband-more_W0QQitemZ280096793955QQcategoryZ86534QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
22:39:21*Llorean shrugs
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22:43:02LloreanI can't help but think that Rockbox just wasn't explained well to the poor girl, if he felt those were among the reasons she wasn't interested.
22:43:22jac0bis the sansa daily build supposed to recognize when the USB is connected
22:43:55Lloreanjac0b: Firstly, out of sheer curiosity, why are you using the daily build instead of the current one?
22:44:19LloreanSecondly, does yours not show a USB cable on the screen when you plug in a USB cable?
22:45:31jac0bis there something wrong with using the daily build?
22:45:56LloreanDo you know the difference between the daily build and the current build?
22:46:00linuxstbNo, but it's almost always out of date.
22:46:09jac0byes it shows the USB is connected but in the changelog it said "
22:46:09jac0bEnable usb detection in the sansa bootloader (loads OF if detected)
22:46:26Lloreanjac0b: Notice the word "bootloader" there?
22:47:02LloreanRockbox doesn't do anything on USB insert.
22:47:02jac0bthat is for when it is booting up right
22:47:05LloreanYes
22:47:06linuxstbsansapatcher has now been updated with that bootloader....
22:47:44jac0bI tried that and it didn't boot to the orignial firmware
22:48:00linuxstbYou've updated the bootloader?
22:48:43jac0bdid they come out with a new bootloader?
22:49:17linuxstbYes.
22:49:36Lloreanjac0b: How would you expect a bootloader change to affect your system, if you haven't put a new bootloader that has that change on it, out of curiosity?
22:50:54jac0bI thought they updated the OS of rockbox not the bootloader, my bad sorry
22:51:31Bagderwe update the bootloader too occasionally
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22:51:58LloreanIt did say "bootloader" in the message you found, and everything. :)
22:53:16scorcheBagder: do you mean too often, or not often enough by that?
22:53:48Bagderas in addition to the "OS of rockbox"
22:54:09Llorean"We update the bootloader as well, occasionally" :)
22:54:41Bagderthere!
22:54:44scorcheah =)
22:54:53jac0bokay now about the daily build/current build what is the suggested one to use
22:55:17Lloreanjac0b: The newest one, which is the current build.
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22:57:09jac0bI go to the current build page but click this http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml to read what is in teh changelog
22:57:46LloreanYes, those are older builds
22:57:50LloreanAs the link to them should suggest.
22:58:15jac0bbut I got the one with the date of 3/23
22:58:19LloreanYes
22:58:25LloreanAs in, it was made at the start of 3/23
22:58:28jac0bisn't that current?
22:58:30LloreanNo
22:58:35LloreanCurrent is "made last time anything changed"
22:58:39LloreanNot "made once per day"
22:58:47LloreanThere can be as many as 15 new builds during a day
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22:59:15linuxstbOnly 15?
22:59:31LloreanOkay, there can be as many as 205ish builds per day
22:59:33LloreanBut it's unlikely
22:59:37LloreanAssuming 7 minutes per build.
22:59:48jac0bwhere is the new bootloader?
23:00
23:00:14Lloreanjac0b: In the new sansapatcher. Just re-follow the bootloader install instructions, downloading the new version of the file.
23:00:45jac0bokay so the ones on http://build.rockbox.org/ are right now builds and ones I am getting are yesterdays build
23:01:26LloreanThat's why that is the "Current build" page, and the earlier page you linked to is described as having "older builds" on that very page, yes.
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23:02:46jac0bLlorean: thanks
23:04:27mattzzAnybody happens to know whether we have hardware controlled charging in the sansa?
23:04:55LloreanBagder: Maybe we should mention on the daily build page that all files on that page are older than the 'current build' and users should update to the download on the current build page if they experience any problems.
23:05:09scorche`mattzz: there is
23:05:36scorche`any target with lithium-ion has it really...
23:05:48mattzzscorche: so if I plug in the cable the battery will be charged fully automatically?
23:06:22mattzz(assuming rockbox is loaded)
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23:08:35Lloreanmattzz: The hardware should prevent it from overcharging. Since Rockbox doesn't really do anything with USB, odds are it'll be like the other PortalPlayer targets and only draw 100mA instead of 500, so you'll either charge very slowly, or slowly lose power because the device is using a bit more than the draw.
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23:10:45mattzzLlorean: Thanks for the info. So I assume that there are some settings for the AS3514 that have to be configured in order to have it charging with 500mA.
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23:13:20Lloreanmattzz: What does the AS3514 have to do with USB?
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23:14:18linuxstbThe AS3514 is also the power-management chip IIUC.
23:14:43mattzzLlorean: the datasheet states "It also contains a charger and is designed for battery supplies from 1V to 5V.
23:14:43mattzz"
23:14:46Lloreanlinuxstb: Yeah, but it's the USB not being in high power mode that should be the problem.
23:14:55Lloreanlinuxstb: Just like the iPods, right?
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23:16:02linuxstbYes, I didn't read the logs properly... But as the AS3514 datasheets aren't public, I don't know.
23:16:45WebgiestQuestion, since I don't like the new boot loader on my e2xx, can I just install the old boot loader over it and be Ok? The artifacts at the top of the screen are ugly.
23:17:08Lloreanmattzz: The problem lies in the USB negotiation, as I said. Or it most likely does at least.
23:17:34mattzzLlorean: OK, thanks. That is beyond my scope :-p
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23:23:17mattzzLlorean: OK, I understand. USB is not engineered @ ipodlinux either :(
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23:25:03LloreanI imagine they'll have USB support before we do, since they won't have to write a whole USB stack.
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23:34:02cadujust came back from work
23:34:07cadua whole night listening to rockbox
23:34:59caduthe sound was perfect, and i've already turned on crossfading, which works perfectly too, one question ....i wanna help (do the brazillian-portuguese translation)....for this, what do i need?
23:35:16caduor i just have to download some kind of template , translate it and send it back to you guys ?
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23:36:07Domonoky_cadu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles
23:41:36caduDomonoky_, strange, can't get the english.lang file
23:41:45cadusays that probably the cvs server may be down
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23:42:46Domonoky_cadu: the link is old, rockbox uses now svn
23:44:08Domonoky_http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/?pathrev=12900
23:45:07caduthanks :)
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