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#rockbox log for 2007-03-25

00:02:38Bagdersmall kids cause early mornings, time for me to hit the bed. good night
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00:54:26Bigred84hello, i have gone over on the #windowsxp channel to see if i could find answers to my problem, they said it is either the software on the mp3 player, or some unknown factor, could anyone here help me out?
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00:56:23AloneaBigred84: whats your problem?
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00:57:03Bigred84when i connect my mp3 to my computer the computer locks up, requiring a hard reboot
00:57:26AloneaBigred84: ok, are you trying to install rockbox?
00:57:48SoapBigred84: ##windows is a better channel, and I still would like to see you try: A-A different USB cable. B-Connecting through a powered USB hub.
00:58:00Bigred84no i have happily had rockbox on my h10 from the begining of the port
00:58:11Bigred84i hVE TRIED BOTH
00:58:16Bigred84sorry caps
00:58:18Aloneawierd...
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00:58:31Aloneayeah, ##windows people are nice.
00:58:35Bigred84yes, even the people over on the windows channel were stumped
00:58:37Soappowered hub didn't stop the crash? dang.
00:58:59LloreanBigred84: If your computer's freezing, it's definitely a computer-side problem. Especially since Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode on that device, so it's the original firmware that's running when you're in USB.
00:59:19Bigred84oh, ok thats what i thought
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00:59:39Bigred84would it be apropriate for me to ask for help here or should i move on?
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01:00:39LloreanIf you're plugging in the cable while in Rockbox, there is a little bit of the USB detection process that has caused some USB drivers problems, but that doesn't normally happen on Windows. And if the problem happens after rebooting Windows, setting your player in UMS mode, and then after that plugging in the cable, then it's definitely something unrelated to Rockbox.
01:01:23LloreanIt's not really something we'd be able to help much with, if it's on your computer's side, because there are a lot of things it could be, up to and including drivers or other random software you've got installed.
01:01:48Bigred84could you recomend a channal that could help me with my problem
01:02:20Bigred84i have tried #windowsxp, and i can not find ##windows
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01:02:43LloreanI really don't know. I think the windowsxp guys were just blowing you off, so I wouldn't recommend going back there, but it seems like the appropriate place. =/
01:02:57AloneaBigred84: are you serious you cannot find ##windows? I just joined it.
01:03:35Bigred84wel actually someone on the windowwsxp channel spent an hour walking me through steps to solve the problem, its just that they are as stumped as you
01:03:35Aloneayou could try #windows and see if it redirects you
01:03:47Bigred84yes they redirected me to windowsxp
01:04:08Aloneathey, as in the people, or they as in the irc?
01:04:11Soap#windowsxp is an improper channel. since they do not officially represent microsoft, freenode guidelines say they should be ##windowsxp.
01:04:32Soaptwo pound signs. ##windows, NOT #windows.
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01:05:05AloneaSoap: yeha, I know, its just if you do #windows, it will automatically redirect you to ##windows.
01:05:17Bigred84ok i found it thankyou very much
01:05:36Bigred84also by the way i am delorean90 over at rockbox.org ;)
01:05:57Aloneagood luck Bigred84!
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01:51:13RoriHi. I need some info. I am thinking of getting one of these doohickies for my Nano v1 with Rockbox on it. Any idea if it will work? It displays incoming calls on the Nano apparently http://www.datakits.co.uk/store/gear4-black-blueye-bluetooth-mobile-phone-handsfree-fm-radio-rem-p-3193.html
01:51:42LloreanRockbox does not work on accessories that require communication with the iPod.
01:52:08RoriBoo! :(
01:52:19RoriThat's a major bummer
01:52:39LloreanWell, unfortunately none of the people who seem to want that seem to want it enough to work on it.
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01:53:05RoriThat is a major flaw in Rockbox perfection
01:53:11LloreanAccessory support is something that only benefits iPod users, and requires a decent amount of work for a non-core feature, so it's hardly a priority.
01:53:28LloreanBeing open source, though, people who want it are welcome to work on it. They just don't.
01:53:38Rorior don't know how
01:53:48LloreanDon't know how can be solved by spending some time learning.
01:54:32LloreanIt can be looked at like "It may take me a long time to learn, and a long time to do, but if I don't do it, it's possible nobody ever will, and 'never' is further away than 'however long it takes giving it the small amount of time I have available'"
01:54:35Rorioh well may have to get the less attractive unversal inline Bluetooth thingy instead. No fancy communication with the Nano or FM radio though
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03:00:39RoriI wish Sennheiser would make a bluetooth stereo headphone
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03:02:00LloreanI don't think I'd want to listen to audio over bluetooth.
03:04:48RoriYeah well that is why I want inline anyhow
03:05:08RoriSo I can still take a call but listen to my normal headphones with a direct connection
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03:32:51Arathistwo questions: 1. wasn't there talk about ogg support for recording? 2. is it planned to make a virtualbox image of the rockbox-debian compiling evironment?
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03:35:33aliaskArathis: I think the conclusion for 1. was that it was too CPU intensive to be any use
03:35:38aliaskAnd I don't know about 2.
03:35:48LloreanI don't think anyone's tried 1 yet.
03:35:59LloreanThe conclusion is "sure, if someone gets it working", I imagine.
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03:36:09aliaskIsn't it always :)
03:36:14Arathis^^
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03:36:17LloreanFor #2, nobody really "planned" to make the VMWare one. Someone just went and did it.
03:36:32Arathisoh, okay
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03:37:15ArathisI just thought virtualbox is at least as good as vmware + open source so it would match better to rockbox
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03:38:11Arathisand it's said to be faster (haven't tried it myself). but i don't know if there is a windows or mac version
03:39:34LloreanArathis: Supposedly the VMWare player is open source too, though I don't know the licensing.
03:40:21Arathisthe player, yes, but not the workstation
03:40:49Arathiswhich doesn't affect the rockbox image, i know
03:40:56pirokovmware server is free
03:41:37LloreanIt looks like part of the VMWare workstation source is available, dunno how much it is. "Modified source"
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04:13:43daniel1234I have installed cygwin how do I edit the profile file with nano
04:14:30daniel1234how do I open nano
04:14:50n17ikh|Lappyusually you type nano
04:14:53n17ikh|Lappynano /etc/profile
04:15:49daniel1234So do I just type nano straight into cygwin
04:16:18n17ikh|Lappyyes.
04:16:27n17ikh|Lappynano is a command line editor
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04:17:05daniel1234So as soon as I open cygwin I just type nano because it says command not found
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04:17:42Lloreandaniel1234: Have you installed Nano with the cygwin setup?
04:18:15daniel1234how do I install nano
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04:20:20paerezyou guys dont need nano
04:20:24paerezyou could just use notepad
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04:21:11Lloreanpaerez: Notepad is often a bad idea, because of line endings.
04:21:18LloreanWordpad is okay about preserving them though, I believe.
04:21:20paerezah good point
04:21:25daniel1234Is nano one of the packages
04:21:27paerezi just meant they can use a native editor
04:21:34paerezand browse to C:\Cygwin
04:21:52daniel1234can I use wordpad to edit it
04:22:06paerezyes I think wordpad will be fine
04:22:51daniel1234doesn't it say on the web site you can't use notepad or wordpad
04:24:08Lloreandaniel1234: It should say you can't use Notepad for sure, at least.
04:24:09hardeepwordpad/notepad will add extra line endings as Llorean said
04:24:24daniel1234Ok I will try wordpad
04:24:25Lloreanhardeep: I'm pretty sure wordpad will preserve Unix style if the file originally had them. Or it has for me in the past.
04:24:26hardeepyou can use the dos2unix command on cygwin to remove them from the file
04:24:59hardeepLlorean: hmmm, i haven't tried recently
04:25:39Lloreanhardeep: I've never added a line with it, it's always been an in-line edit though. A case of double clicking on something instead of open-with, and then realizing a little bit later that I got lucky.
04:26:20hardeepyeah, it may not modify the existing lines... it will probably add dos-style if you create a new line
04:26:29LloreanI bet it would.
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04:36:07hardeepokay, i've come to the conclusion that supporting nested functions for the mac simulator is difficult
04:36:22hardeepwould anyone complain if I remove them?
04:36:43hardeepthe ones in dsp.c aren't really needed and the one in radio.c can be easily changed
04:40:53zylcheData abort at 000305D4 with the newest build when trying to play music :E
04:41:09zylcheipod video 5G
04:41:09Lloreanzylche: iPod?
04:41:18Lloreanzylche: Update your bootloader, section 2.2.3 of the manual.
04:41:29zylcheahh
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04:43:13zylcheman, I remember the time when you had to manually install the bootloader via linux onto the ipod.. it was fun...
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04:53:47zylchemake a backup of the ipod before upating the bootloader, right?
04:53:51Soaphardeep: Notepad2 is lightweight, and not only preserves unix line-endings, but will do a great job of context highlighting your files.
04:54:06SoapIt's free, small as a newt, and fast as.
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05:01:46hardeepI haven't used notepad2 but I have used metapad which does the same thing
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05:11:15hardeephmmm, notepad2 is pretty cool with the syntax highlighting... will need to try out
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05:23:36datachilddoes rockbox have support for video playback?
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05:24:14Lloreandatachild: See the PluginMpegplayer wiki page for the limitations of it currently
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05:27:53datachildoh, okay
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05:34:10pirokois it bad to keep coming in and out of here? I'm kinda on a nintendo ds...
05:35:31nervepiroko, if you do it too much, you'll break the internet
05:35:45pirokoNOOOOOO!
05:35:53n17ikh|Lappyyou'll clog the tubes
05:36:03piroko:(
05:37:25nerveatleast you'll kill the Boss that way, I heard hes kinda hard.
05:37:53pirokoWhich one?
05:38:33n17ikh|Lappyah ha
05:38:38n17ikh|Lappythat's why my video playback was messed up
05:38:48nervepiroko, level 99
05:38:51n17ikh|Lappythe gui encoder I used encoded it to 160x120
05:38:52nervewhy is that?
05:39:05n17ikh|Lappybut 120 is not a multiple of 16
05:39:11n17ikh|Lappyso there was dead space
05:39:19n17ikh|Lappywhich was throwing libmpeg off
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05:39:44n17ikh|Lappymaybe I'll drop it into virtual dub and black out part of it so it becomes 160x128
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05:42:02n17ikh|Lappyoh lawdy, that's an error in the wiki
05:42:10n17ikh|Lappythe video SHOULD be 160x120
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05:42:21n17ikh|Lappy160x128 is 5:4
05:43:27n17ikh|Lappyurgh, can't correct it
05:43:50SoapCall me if you notice an 8 pixel bust in aspect ratio
05:44:35n17ikh|Lappywell, there should be a note that it's really 5:4
05:44:46n17ikh|Lappyand that if you want 4:3 video to be encoded into this you need to black-bar it
05:45:25Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: What page is the wiki error on, exactly?
05:45:26Soapfor 8 pixels on a sample proof-of-concept video?
05:45:38Soapa 6% stretch?
05:45:39LloreanSoap: Resolution have to be a multiple of 16 for MPEG-2 anyway, I think
05:45:42n17ikh|LappyPluginMpegPlayer
05:45:43n17ikh|Lappythey do
05:45:59n17ikh|Lappyso it's technically correct that fullscreen 4:3 video will have to be encoded into that
05:46:11Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: Yes
05:46:13n17ikh|Lappybut it should at least specify that that is not actually 4:3 ratio
05:46:24Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: Also, 4:3 as a ratio of number of pixels only makes sense on the assumption of square pixels
05:46:32n17ikh|Lappymost pixels are
05:46:35LloreanA 4:3 ratio (visible) screen can have any pixel ratio you want.
05:47:52Soapsee SVCD @ 480x480
05:47:54n17ikh|Lappybut I bet that's why I had that mirror image problem
05:48:09n17ikh|Lappythe video encoded into 160x120
05:48:20LloreanYou can't encode MPEG at 160x120, 120 isn't a multiple of 16
05:48:22n17ikh|Lappywhich plays in a full-featured player but in a simpler one it can't correct for that
05:48:35n17ikh|Lappywell, I've got a 160x120 mpeg-2 video right here
05:48:56n17ikh|Lappyit's probably specified in metadata the actual size, and has 8 wasted pixels
05:49:18n17ikh|Lappywould be my guess, I don't know the actual implementation
05:49:29LloreanIt's probably not technically compliant with the standard then
05:50:36n17ikh|Lappyit was encoded with a gui to mencoder, I don't know what options it used
05:51:08Soapregardless, as that is neither here nor there, you said you had trouble with the160x128 Elephant's dream Wiki encode?
05:51:34n17ikh|Lappyno, I didn't say that
05:51:59n17ikh|Lappythese videos are stuff I'm testing with, not elephant's dream
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05:52:12n17ikh|Lappythough using elephant's dream is a good idea as it's a nice hi-def source
05:52:17Soapok, that's how I understood "<n17ikh|Lappy> that's why my video playback was messed up"
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05:52:33n17ikh|Lappynote I didn't say elephant's dream anywhere there :p
05:52:54n17ikh|LappyI'm just testing it out.
05:52:55n17ikh|LappyI know it
05:52:56n17ikh|Lappyer
05:53:06n17ikh|LappyI know it's nowhere near being complete, I'm just messing around
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05:54:07n17ikh|Lappyok, I thought this video was longer, it's just 3 minutes
05:54:11n17ikh|Lappyplayed the whole thing pretty nicely though
05:57:27jjoreWhen building rockbox for the Video iPod, is it normal to see messages like "relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against ..."? I also saw "additional relocation overflows omitted from the output" and then the LD failed. :-(
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06:01:21Lloreanjjore: No, it's not normal for the build to fail.
06:05:54pirokothe ifp 790 build fails too:(
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06:09:31Lloreanpiroko: The iFP build is kinda in flux. You'll notice it's not a supported target.
06:09:33EnR_Nanyone know the tech specs (as in processor speed, memory) for the Ipod and Gigabeat?
06:09:36LloreanMuch like the Tatung Elio "build" and others
06:09:45pirokoAh
06:09:59daniel1234its seams that I can now compile but where should my patch be when I am going to add it what dir
06:10:08daniel1234I am using cygwin
06:10:44Lloreandaniel1234: Anywhere you want it to.
06:10:51SoapEnR_N: ipods = 32 or 64 MB of ram and a dual ARM7 core which rockbox runs at 75Mhz (max) each. Gigabeat = ARM @ 300 and 32MB of RAM.
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06:11:12daniel1234so in the build folder under the source folder
06:11:18EnR_NHow come Mpeg plugin runs so much faster in gigabeat?
06:11:36Soap2x75 < 300
06:11:38EnR_Neven at higher resolution
06:11:42Lloreandaniel1234: As long as you know where it is for when you're actually running the patch command, it's not needed after you patch.
06:12:34EnR_N:P oops
06:12:59EnR_Nbut more ram 0.0 which version has the 64mb?
06:13:04EnR_N(iod)
06:13:28daniel1234so I put the diff file in the build folder that is under the source folder and navigate to the build dir then what do I do
06:13:33Soapthese aren't PCs, and even on PCs, RAM only helps speed when it saves thrashing your L4 cache (HD)
06:14:50LloreanEnR_N: RAM has very little to do with performance in Rockbox.
06:15:09LloreanIt mostly just has to do with "How often do we have to spin up the disk?"
06:15:12EnR_NAh hmm - Gotcha.
06:15:34EnR_NYeah , though doesn't more RAM = more battery life
06:16:32Soapwhich, really, is no different than a PC. The RAM=speed thing is a moden misconception based upon mega-megabyte OSs and apps always swapping to disk.
06:17:24daniel1234I ran the patch command and tried to add my patch and it gave an error does anyone know what the problem is
06:17:32EnR_NOh . Also I have a question (plz):for the mpeg plugins rebuffering- it quotes "Rebuffering - mpegplayer just buffers as much video as it can fit into your player's memory, plays it and then stops. It doesn't refill the buffer and continue playing."
06:17:49EnR_Nin here does the memory mean the RAM of the current device?
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06:19:21Soapyes, RAM minus whatever part Rockbox has put to use elsewhere.
06:19:45Soapdaniel1234: paste the errors to pastebin.ca, not to the channel, if you want diagnosis of them.
06:19:45EnR_Ndang..
06:20:17daniel1234I will just ask on the mailing list anyway
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06:20:43Soapis pastebin.ca that hard? ;)
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06:43:51LloreanEnR_N: More RAM doesn't necessarily mean more battery life. More RAM means the disk has to spend more time spinning to fill the RAM, and if you skip audio a lot, it means you wast a lot of time buffering (and thus a lot of battery).
06:44:14LloreanMore RAM only really means more battery life if you follow appropriate usage habits for that extended buffer.
06:44:29EnR_NLlorean: thanks for the reply ^_^
06:45:21EnR_NI understand
06:47:32jjoreYou know, I would have thought memory was also a battery life cost because it also draws.
06:49:00Lloreanjjore: Compared to spinning up an HD, or keeping it spinning until you need the data, the ratio's highly in favour of the memory
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06:51:19jjoreYes, I imagine. I just don't think it comes at zero cost.
06:52:17LloreanIt's non-zero, because RAM is volatile of course, but it's a benefit in most cases.
06:52:31LloreanThough now that you mention it, it's too bad you can't shut down some of it on the flash based players. :)
06:53:07n17ikh|Lappywow, video is sexy
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06:53:28n17ikh|Lappywhen it does this, it plays video on one core and audio on the other?
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06:54:41LloreanYes
06:54:46n17ikh|Lappythat was an interesting error
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06:55:09n17ikh|Lappythe screen timed out and when I pressed a button to make it come back up it came back with odd coloring and strange contrast issues
06:55:22n17ikh|Lappyreason I ask is because the audio quality is awful
06:55:31n17ikh|Lappydoes it use a different audio renderer?
06:55:37n17ikh|Lappythan the music player, I mean
06:55:51n17ikh|Lappyseems like it's clipping
06:56:56Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: When is your build dated?
06:57:03n17ikh|Lappyyesterday
06:57:28LloreanWhich SVN revision?
06:57:41JdGordon[15:52] <Llorean> Though now that you mention it, it's too bad you can't shut down some of it on the flash based players. :) <- why would you want to? its the whole chip drawing XmA.. not each bit drawing some small fraction of the whole....
06:58:17LloreanJdGordon: I realized after I said that, it'd depend on there being 2x16 rather than 1x32
06:58:22JdGordonand i imzgine the DRAM is still faster/less power than the flash drive...
06:58:25n17ikh|Lappyr12893-070322
06:58:32*JdGordon thinks its 1x32...
06:58:34n17ikh|Lappyaccording to the boot screen
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06:59:17n17ikh|Lappyoh, guess that's like 3 days ago
06:59:18n17ikh|Lappyactually
06:59:21LloreanJdGordon: The trick is, you don't spin up the flash drive, or spin it down. So, you read each bit once from flash to ram, so it doesn't matter how much ram you have free, because of the lack of spinup, right?
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06:59:35Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: You're exactly one revision prior to the clipping fix for mpegplayer
06:59:44n17ikh|Lappyah, neato
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07:00:30LloreanJdGordon: I know we've got someone who was running with a 1mb audio buffer (and gigantic plugin buffer, so that jpeg viewer and such didn't ever stop playback) without noticeable problems or battery life change on the Nano, if I recall
07:00:41n17ikh|Lappylooks like I set the bitrates on these encodes a little high
07:00:49n17ikh|Lappythey're about twice the size of the one that played alright
07:00:55n17ikh|Lappythese have some framerate issues
07:03:43JdGordonLlorean: yeah, that sounds like something which would be usefull, but increase the voice buffer to 10mb to have nice voice instead of the fast one we have noe
07:03:46JdGordonnow*
07:04:04LloreanJdGordon: Flash players have a lot more flexibility with what to use that RAM for, I guess.
07:04:12JdGordonyep
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07:06:13n17ikh|Lappywell, it still sounds like crap
07:06:24n17ikh|Lappyand now it's playing at about 5x speed
07:06:26n17ikh|Lappyor... something
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07:06:51Llorean"sounds like crap" doesn't mean anything to me...
07:07:02n17ikh|Lappyscratchy audio
07:07:10n17ikh|LappyI'd record it for you if I could
07:07:36LloreanWhat player are you on?
07:07:47n17ikh|LappyH10
07:07:49n17ikh|Lappy20gb
07:07:59LloreanWhat is the audio encoded at?
07:08:04n17ikh|Lappy128kbit
07:08:11LloreanSample rate?
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07:08:20n17ikh|Lappy44100hz
07:08:38LloreanIt shouldn't sound odd then. =/
07:09:08n17ikh|LappyI'll let you know how dialog sounds in a minute
07:09:34n17ikh|Lappyfull of scratching
07:09:54n17ikh|Lappyalso, a fix where it made the screen stay on would be nice
07:09:58n17ikh|Lappyit's timing out
07:09:59Llorean"Scratching" really doesn't mean anything to me.
07:10:06n17ikh|Lappylike I said
07:10:09n17ikh|LappyI'd record it if I could.
07:10:10LloreanPeople use it to describe a variety of different sounds.
07:10:21n17ikh|Lappyrattle, like a blown speaker
07:10:31LloreanWhat's your volume set at?
07:10:31n17ikh|Lappyat dialog, non-clippy levels
07:10:38n17ikh|Lappylow? -46
07:11:03LloreanIs this Elephant's Dream that sounds like this?
07:11:06n17ikh|Lappyno, it is not.
07:11:12LloreanDoes Elephant's Dream sound like this?
07:11:20n17ikh|LappyI'll let you know when I download it
07:12:28n17ikh|Lappywell, that is interesting
07:12:47n17ikh|Lappythe screen timeout came along and shut off, and when I pressed the volume button to make it come back, it inverted the colors again
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07:16:32LloreanDo you have the lcd sleep option enabled?
07:17:01n17ikh|Lappyyep, elephant's dream sounds like it
07:17:36n17ikh|Lappyand yes, I have the LCD set to sleep after a certain time
07:18:06poco153Is anybody aroudn that's fimiliar with the Sandisk Sansa e200 port? I can't seem to get it to play FLAC or OGG, and I haven't been able to find a list of supported codecs for this port...
07:18:35n17ikh|Lappyanyone else here have an iriver H10 20gb?
07:18:50n17ikh|Lappy(this is unrelated to video playback, btw)
07:18:58n17ikh|Lappyseems like there's a pretty high noise floor
07:19:13n17ikh|LappyI can hear the scroll bar through my earbuds
07:20:04n17ikh|Lappyseems like I can hear something that sounds like the cpu clocking up and down too
07:20:14n17ikh|Lappythat might be something that the hardware itself is causing though
07:21:09n17ikh|Lappythe screen refreshing makes noise too :/
07:21:18n17ikh|LappyI can't imagine an audio chip in an audio player being this noisy :(
07:21:21Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: Try disabling the LCD sleep, so it's just the backlight going off.
07:21:41LloreanMany portable players are very, very noisy.
07:21:55n17ikh|Lappythat's terrible
07:21:56Lloreanpoco153: That's because there's not a per-port list.
07:22:13n17ikh|Lappyah, I had forgotten LCD sleep and backlight time are seperate
07:22:34Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: People aren't generally willing to pay for the additional cost. As long as apple sells their iPods at a certain price point, it's not economical to sell players of the same capacity that cost significantly more for something 95% of the population won't hear.
07:22:36n17ikh|Lappyyeah, seems like after it times out if I pressed it immediately (not giving it time for LCD sleep) it came back normally
07:22:57Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: the Mpeg Player draws to the screen in a different way I believe, and I suspect the sleep interferes with it, is all.
07:23:04n17ikh|Lappyyou're probably right
07:23:06LloreanTHe backlight should've been permanently on in it anyway, I thought it was.
07:23:10n17ikh|LappyI did too
07:23:16n17ikh|LappyI think it was in the old build, I tested it
07:23:24n17ikh|Lappymaybe something got disabled in the new build?
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07:27:25poco153Llorean: Is it safe to assume that ogg and flac support are working on the sansa port, then?
07:31:06n17ikh|Lappysadly, the noise level seems to come from the player's cpu itself
07:31:19n17ikh|Lappyunplugging from A/C and letting the screen shut off makes no difference
07:31:29n17ikh|Lappyoh well.
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07:32:55Lloreanpoco153: Yes, it should work on all players but the archos ones.
07:34:18poco153Alright. I got it to play an ogg, but it refuses to see it in the database... Can I force it to refresh somehow?
07:35:45LloreanYou can initialize again
07:35:53LloreanOr delete the database files, and then initialize again
07:36:06LloreanBut if it didn't show up on the first scan, that usually suggests there's something wrong about the tags on your oggs.
07:36:19poco153Alright, I'll give that a try
07:36:20poco153thanks!
07:41:06EnR_NAny clues as to why the Database sometimes "skips" some tracks while initializing with the ItunesDB
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07:42:04EnR_NMy tags are in perfect shape - I also tried using the itunedb to tagcache converter.. but rockbox doesn't seem to read the files
07:42:47LloreanEnR_N: Are you sure your definition of perfect shape matches Rockbox's definition?
07:43:22EnR_Nyes .. all in idv2.3 encoded by tag&cache ..
07:43:40EnR_NI have manually inspected all ... 2021..
07:44:11EnR_N...what is rockbox's definition ?
07:44:22LloreanA couple questions then: 1) No album art in the tags, and 2) If you play the file from the filetree, does the metadata show up in the WPS?
07:45:39EnR_N1) est. of 40% have album art 2) .. filetree? you mean manually finding the song in file viewer?
07:45:48LloreanYes, in the file viewer.
07:45:51EnR_Nif so then yes .
07:46:23LloreanDo the files that don't get added to the database all have album art/
07:46:24Llorean?
07:46:33EnR_Nnope.
07:47:08EnR_NI have found a list of them ... they are not it the same folder. ONE has a japanese title- though I changed it but still no go
07:48:05LloreanSo several of them do not have album art?
07:48:28EnR_Nyes .
07:49:01LloreanThen it's a problem nobody else has.
07:49:14EnR_NIn fact . wps does not show album art - - ..
07:49:20EnR_NAhh . .
07:49:23LloreanWait, are you running a patched build?
07:49:40EnR_NI am running the nofreqscaling build -
07:49:48EnR_NSince it is the only one that works for photo (4g) ipod
07:50:39LloreanAre there any other patches on the build?
07:50:46EnR_Nno.
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07:51:08EnR_NIt is exactly the same as the current build except he turned scaling freq off (in the author's words)
07:51:17LloreanWell, current as of when he made the build.
07:52:09LloreanEither way, you should try to find a correlating factor for the MP3s that don't work and/or file a bug report if you can manage to reproduce the problem.
07:52:20EnR_NOk .
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08:25:29InsectoidAre any coders awake and unoccupied enough to do something that I believe might be relatively simple? Resynching patch 5111, the Ipod Piezo Driver, with current svn.
08:25:53Soapmenu code out of date?
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08:27:03InsectoidAlong with other things.
08:28:59LloreanInsectoid: A tip, never, ever suggest something might be relatively simple unless you have a firm basis to believe it is (and even then don't) because the most likely response is "If it's simple, go ahead 'n do it"
08:29:49InsectoidLlorean: I thought about that after I said it... Thank you though.
08:30:35LloreanWe get a lot of people who think something might be relatively simple that is in no way simple whatsoever, is all. :)
08:30:58LloreanHow many hunks fail, out of curiosity?
08:32:18InsectoidI have been using 6490, which has been doing the job and beeping in lists, making it oodles easier to navigate with speech, but now that's desynched. So I've come looking for help to get the more capable 5111 done. A majority.
08:33:29InsectoidThe most obvious was it not finding the file for the settings menu, then some messing up in settings.c that I guessed was when the switch to the .cfg was made instead of the hidden sector.
08:34:11LloreanWell a lot of both the settings and menu system have been overhauled.
08:35:01Drumrdo the rockbox standard builds include COP support? because the plasma plugin ran alot faster with a recent rockbox build than with a non-COP build... also... does the standard build include 64mb am support (all for 5g ipod, 60gb)
08:35:25LloreanDrumr: Standard builds have included COP support for a while now, yes.
08:35:33Soapno to 64 MB.
08:35:39LloreanThat's why the task is closed as accepted for the COP patch.
08:35:41Drumrok
08:35:46Drumrah, i see
08:35:55LloreanAccepted means "it's in SVN now"
08:36:01Drumryea, cool
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08:38:27InsectoidLlorean: Can you give me a suggestion as what to do about getting Piezo back? It is, in my opinion at least, a quite useful feature, and simplifies navigation in the menus and file lists.
08:39:10LloreanInsectoid: Post to the patch entry asking if anyone would be willing to resync it, and hope that people 'watching' the task show an interest.
08:39:22LloreanAnyone who has it on their watch list should receive an email when you post a comment
08:39:36InsectoidThank you.
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08:49:33InsectoidAh blah posted comment to 6490 instead of 5111. I'm going to attempt to synch this myself −− this should be interesting.
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08:50:24rekahsofthi all
08:50:45rekahsofthow do i switch between the stock firmware and rockbox?
08:50:54rekahsoftwhat are the keys to do so (on a video ipod)
08:51:13rekahsoft?
08:52:19rekahsoftnvm
08:52:24rekahsofti figured it out :D
08:52:25Soapmenu + select to force a reb, ok.
08:53:40rekahsoftthanks
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09:03:10InsectoidSoap, may I message you privately?
09:03:18Soapyes
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09:18:21*amiconn wants automatic dst switching in rockbox on rtc targets
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09:20:52scorcheamiconn: is there anyway to disable that annoying "free advertising" quit messages in hydra?
09:21:18amiconnOnly if you quit using /quit <your_own_message>
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09:21:45scorcheso that would be a no?
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09:23:42Soaplittle hex editor never hurt no one.
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09:25:13InsectoidYech
09:25:35scorchehrm...i will look into it more...i just started using hydra
09:27:15InsectoidDamnit.co.uk
09:27:55InsectoidI just don't grok this stuff. Maybe if I could just go hunt down the code that's executed when scrolling through a list I could add in a beep. Or something.
09:30:02JdGordonamiconn: automatic dst? as in have a list of all dst's and let the user choose the timezone? or the way my phone does it and just have an option for dst off/+1/+2 hours?
09:30:36amiconnThe former, but that's probably overkill
09:31:06JdGordonyeah :) the 2nd is nice n simple to do tho
09:33:22amiconnJust a +1 offset doesn't make much sense though. If you need to switch manually anyway you can just use the time setting screen
09:33:35*amiconn had to adjust 4 targets :p
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09:49:10*JdGordon hasnt done his comp yet... stupid thing isnt automatic :'(
09:50:21JdGordonwtf? why does changing the clock stop amarok playing my music?!
09:50:36JdGordonno, it seems to have crashed it coimpletyl!
09:50:53Bagderyou change dst too today?
09:51:08JdGordonlast night
09:51:16JdGordonwe go back to winter time...
09:51:27BagderI'm just surprised we do it on the same day
09:51:54Bagderdst is so magicly weird and custom all over...
09:52:08JdGordonso your gmt+2 now?
09:52:12Bagderyes
09:52:57JdGordon9.52am says my clock.. correct?
09:53:04Bagdercorrect
09:53:12JdGordonalrighty then :)
09:53:23amiconn3 minutes off...
09:53:49JdGordonclose enough
09:54:05Bagderhm, it wasn't 3 minutes off here ;-)
09:54:20*JdGordon just synced with ntp.. so amiconn is prob off :p
09:54:28amiconnhmm?
09:54:31amiconnweird
09:54:31Bagderyup, I'm synced too
09:54:44amiconnthis box is supposed to sync via ntp too...
09:55:03JdGordonoh well...
09:55:18amiconnrrrr
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09:55:29JdGordonhang on.. dont you have 6 months of sunlight now? or not quite north enough?
09:55:38JdGordonwhy the heck do you need DST?
09:55:45*JdGordon freeking hates dst :'(
09:55:50Bagderthe dst is to adjust the daylight "better"
09:56:07Bagderpersonally, I think the dst zone is better for us all year around
09:56:38Bagderbut no, to get constant sunshine you need to be further up north
09:57:22Bagderbut then otoh, they get constant darkness in winter...
09:59:30amiconnI would hate the latter...
09:59:49Galoisyou (by which I mean a country, state, whatever) can simulate the effects of DST without changing clocks, by, you know, getting up earlier ...
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10:00:17Bagderif you live alone with no contact with other humans, sure
10:00:39Galoisthere's nothing stopping other humans from doing it at the same time as you!
10:01:09Bagderright, but then the there's no reason for time zones either with that logic
10:01:23Galoistrue, I'm against local time zones too
10:01:32Bagder"internet time"
10:01:55amiconnWindows is sometimes weird. The timer service obviously doesn't retry ntp resynchronisation if it wasn't able to synchronise too often
10:02:15*JdGordon is glad he doesnt live in coolangatta on the qld/nsw border... qld doesnt have dst and nsw does.. so it gets wierd :p
10:02:19Galoismy own time zone is GMT-5 no matter where I am ...
10:02:22Llorean Time zones are useful for comparing what relative "part of the day" you're in. DST doesn't really have a "use" except the theory that it saves energy, which apparently seems up for debate now.
10:02:52JdGordonisnt dst so you have more chance to enjoy the summer sun after work?
10:02:55Bagderin Sweden the arguments for DST is mostly said to be to use the daylight better
10:03:15*JdGordon has deja vu from ~6months ago :p
10:03:16GaloisI can sorta kinda see a reason for changing clocks for the summers on the grounds that summer and winter sunlight patterns differ. It's a bad reason (to me) but at least I can see a reason.
10:03:38GaloisHowever, when the discussion shifts in the direction of "year round dst" or similar nonsense, that to me is just a ridiculous idea
10:03:56LloreanBagder: But the daylight gradually shifts as the year goes on anyway. Why not have businesses open at the X:30 that's halfway between the DST and non-DST times, and be done with it?
10:03:59Llorean:)
10:04:12BagderI agree
10:04:19BagderI'm all for skipping the DST madness
10:04:31Bagderbut I want to get stuck in GMT+2 then please ;-)
10:04:37Galoisthe united states was more or less fine with 6 months of daylight saving[s] time
10:04:45Galoisthen our idiotic president went and screwed it up to 8 months
10:04:50GaloisI don't like this trend
10:04:52LloreanAs far as it affects me, DST just means that once a year I'm late for everything for a day, and once a year I'm early.
10:05:05Bagderbut don't the US states have individual DST? some don't have it, right?
10:05:14LloreanBagder: I think just Arizona doesn't.
10:05:33Galoisindiana has 15 different time zones so if you install linux there's a whole menu of time zones just for indiana
10:05:37JdGordonyou have 50 states and only 1 doesnt have dst? :O
10:05:50Bagder15?!
10:05:51Galoisbut indiana and arizona are unworthy anyway, so they don't count
10:06:09BagderI don't think even russia has 15
10:06:19Galois[root@t31:~]# rpm -ql tzdata | grep -i indiana | wc
10:06:19Galois 33 33 1524
10:06:24Bagderhahaha
10:07:17LloreanJdGordon: Arizona and Hawaii of the 50 states.
10:07:26Bagderwell, at least DST keeps us all debating and arguing a lot
10:07:36JdGordonhttp://www.seizethedaylight.com/dst/ the first paragrap is great :)
10:08:48JdGordonseems it was to save energy...
10:09:33Bagder"The extra afternoon daylight also cuts overall traffic accident rates"
10:09:39Bagder(according to wikipedia)
10:12:23JdGordonso umm... should we put in a simple DST setting? or not bother?
10:13:01Bagderhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/DaylightSaving-World-Subdivisions.png
10:13:20Bagderblue has DST, red never had it, orange once had
10:13:34BagderJdGordon: I say don't bother
10:13:42LloreanIt looks like *parts* of Arizona observe it?
10:13:49JdGordonthat map is wrong...
10:14:03Bagderit is pointed to from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
10:14:03LloreanI hate the idea of driving North or South and finding myself in a different time zone
10:14:12JdGordonwestern austrlia trialed it once or twice IIRC and apparently do have it now
10:14:26BagderLlorean: for entire countries I can accept that
10:14:38*JdGordon loves the west wing episodee where DST screws them :)
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10:15:12LloreanBagder: Man, I hate the idea of driving around in my own country just to discover the laws have changed because I'm in a new county or state.
10:15:24BagderI can understand that
10:15:39LloreanNow I see I have more time zone concerns than I thought about. :)
10:15:49*Llorean should just go find himself an island somewhere
10:17:00JdGordonrockbox should have bought sealand...
10:17:15LloreanHahaha, I don't think we have the donations to support that one. :-P
10:17:20JdGordonor a small retired aircraft carrier..
10:26:12scorchewe should start saving up then!
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11:17:19InsectoidWhoops?
11:18:28InsectoidI got the thing to compile with a strange mix of code from two different piezo patches. Then when I booted it, scrolling forward resulted in an extremely high-pitched beep that refused to stop. Think I'll try that again.
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11:53:33InsectoidHas the HZ variable thinggy been removed or changed in some strange way that would make sleep(duration_ms*HZ/1000);
11:53:42Insectoidbreak?
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11:57:51Slasherims sleeps are not possible because timer is not that high resolution
11:58:08Slasherishortest possible sleep time is 10ms
11:59:06InsectoidSo that might cause it to sleep forever, and thereby generate that incredibly long piezo beep? Is this a new development? The patch worked before.
11:59:20Slasherino, it shouldn't cause it to sleep forever
11:59:45Slasherimaybe there is some other issue
11:59:50InsectoidPerhaps so
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12:00:05Slasherithe better solution would be not to use sleep at all
12:00:46Slasheribut just do a delay loop instead
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12:01:37Slasherior maybe from isr, using backlight timer for example
12:02:01InsectoidI'm afraid what's wrong is that I put in the calls to the beep function in the wrong parts of button.c and button_clickwheel.c
12:02:34Slasheriah, you should never put those in the ISR routine
12:02:44Slasherior core crahses for sure
12:02:46InsectoidBut this might not be the case −− I had to have gotten it right in at least one of them? What happens is whenever I press the scrollwheel or scroll the scrollwheel it starts. And doesn't stop.
12:03:11InsectoidWell I needed something quick and dirty so that my lists beeped again.
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12:03:30Slasheriput it in button.c where the button event is _read_
12:03:38Slasherinot where it's written (queue_post)
12:04:36InsectoidIt's stuck right under
12:04:37Insectoid if (!filter_first_keypress || is_backlight_on())
12:05:12Slasherithat is the isr (button_tick)
12:05:16Slasheriyou can't put it there
12:05:24InsectoidBlargh that's where 5111 had it.
12:05:32Slasherithen it's simply wrong
12:05:34InsectoidWhere should I stick it then?
12:05:47Slasheritry button_get
12:06:27Insectoidlong button_get(bool block) ?
12:06:36InsectoidAnd what about in the clickwheel code?
12:06:53Slasherior button_get_w_timeout, just experiment
12:07:00Slasheriyou can't put it there either
12:07:15Slasheriyou need to find out a better solution
12:08:09Insectoid... I've learned more c tonight than I have my entire life −− I was proud to just get it to compile. And it takes about twenty-five minutes to compile on my silly 400mhz linux box. So experimentation is very slow.
12:09:15Slasherihmm, you should be running linux, that compile time sounds over lengthy
12:09:43InsectoidI am running Debian −− but it's on an old optiplex.
12:09:46*Insectoid winces.
12:09:58Slasherihowever, you only need to compile the core, plugins and codecs aren't necessary unless you want to try playing audio
12:10:21Slasheriand dont "make clean" every time and make sure ccache is installed
12:10:34Slasheriah, then it's just very slow
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12:11:12InsectoidAh ccache wasn't installed. that's rectified
12:11:26InsectoidHow do I compile only the core?
12:11:28Slasheri:) it should make future compiles much faster
12:12:14Slasherinot sure if there is any flags for that but after you have seen that core is linked (LD something) and compile of codecs/plugins start, just stop processing the Makefile by ctrl-c
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12:12:24Slasheriand then copy rockbox.ipod to the correct place
12:12:29InsectoidAh cheers
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12:12:58InsectoidSo do you have any recommendations for where I should put my beep code?
12:13:27Slasherino better ideas yet, you should experiment :)
12:13:33Slasheriand have fun ;)
12:13:35*Insectoid nods.
12:13:55InsectoidRight. It's 06:13. I'm off to bed. Thanks.
12:14:43Slasheri:) 13:14 here
12:15:38Slasherijust moved to summer time today, so it's UTC+3 now
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15:13:13sbehhi, when my laptop is off, i am able to charge my sansa sandisk e260 and hear music, but when it is on (with running freebsd on it) the mp3player goes into this file-transfer mode and i can`t play music even if it is not mountet, how does the usb-interface need to be configured to allow charging it with running my system and hear music
15:14:09linuxstbYou need to hold a button (normally the same as the menu button) whilst inserting the USB cable. This will prevent Rockbox attempting to change to disk mode (which doesn't work anyway on the Sansa yet).
15:15:44sbehthis 'trick' does not work with original firmware
15:15:56sbehwho can i help to get rockbox working in this peace of hardware? :P
15:16:32linuxstbWhat do you mean? Rockbox does work on the e260 (but will lots of things still needed to be done)
15:17:43sbehi know that it does not work yet, i'm waiting for it to get work, just wanted to know, if there's a way to help you
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15:18:27JdGordonusb + e200 doesnt work properly yet,,,
15:18:41JdGordonbut you seem to be using the OF, which means we cant help you here...
15:19:14linuxstbsbeh: What do you mean by "it" ? Rockbox works, but certain features don't. If you want to help make those features work, just do it and submit a patch.
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15:23:34sbehJdGordon: the reason i asked here is that there is a lot knowledge about this players, and the 'problem' does nothing to do with the 'OF', waybe there is some 'disable'-mode i can bridge my usb-interface into
15:24:21JdGordonthis is a rckbox channel... I know its not quite ready for the sansa, but we are not a support cannel for the OF...
15:24:29JdGordonand no, i dont know of any way to disable it...
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15:27:50sbehafaik there are 4lines in the usb-interface, 2 for I max 500mA and 2 for serial communication, i think the mp3player goes into this 'charging and still playing'-mode when the 2 lines for communication are 'offline'
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15:29:36JdGordonsomething like that
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15:41:39yossafor sansa users out there: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6905 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6467 (second comment)
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15:49:01JdGordonwhat do we do about the pluginlib for the actions and the default direction keys for the sansa and ipod?
15:49:19JdGordonspecifically.. up/down being scroll.. which doesnt work
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15:51:01linuxstbJdGordon: There can't be a generic default - it always depends on the context. Sometimes the scroll is left/right or up/down, sometimes the four buttons on the wheel are up/down/left/right.
15:51:53JdGordonright, but usually, if you need 4 directions, you wont use scroll for up/down tho will you?
15:53:54linuxstbusually not, but maybe... e.g. if you need all the other buttons for something.
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15:56:33JdGordonIm thinking of extending the lib to have a hold switch return value, so it easy to jump to the menu when the reason we cant use the buttons (on the ipod mostly) is because MENU is needed for that...
15:56:36JdGordonwould that work?
15:56:47JdGordoncopy doom...
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15:57:45JdGordonwould be nice if the button driver could return BUTTON_HOLD and BUTTON_HOLD|BUTTON_RELEASE (unless it does aleeady?)
15:59:27linuxstbNo, I don't think it does.
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16:05:54*linuxstb watches the closing credits of Elephants Deam
16:06:03nlsnice!
16:06:28linuxstbDamn, then it freezes....
16:07:32JdGordonin rockbox?
16:07:37JdGordonso it rebuffers?
16:07:58linuxstbYep.
16:08:47JdGordonwell done :)
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16:18:56linuxstbIf anyone wants to play, here's the current patch - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpegplayer-rebuffer.diff
16:19:58linuxstbBe prepared for it to freeze your player... I'm curious how well it works on the X5 or H300 - does the disk rebuffering cause noticable frameskips? It seems flawless on my ipod Photo and gigabeat though.
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16:21:51Slasherilinuxstb: do you think calling ipod_init_cache() should flush the cache properly too after it has been initialized?
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16:22:48Slasherii figured out it's necessary to make file operations core-wise safe too to make the playback working properly
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16:32:48linuxstbSlasheri: I don't know...
16:33:54JdGordonlinuxstb: i seem to be timeing out connecting to your server..
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16:34:07thorstenhi
16:34:21thorstencould anybody help me with updating the rockbox bootloader?!
16:34:49thorstenI have an old rockbox version on the device and would like to use a newer one which requires a new boot loader as well
16:35:14thorstenwhen I run ipodpatcher it always complains that there is no ipod device available:
16:35:22thorsten[INFO] Scanning disk devices...
16:35:22thorsten[ERR] No ipods found, aborting
16:35:22thorsten[ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode
16:35:22DBUGEnqueued KICK thorsten
16:35:22thorsten[ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems.
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16:35:27JdGordonlinuxstb: does mpegplayer rotate the screen to landscape on the portrait players?
16:35:40thorstenbut the device get mounted and I can access the fs
16:35:47thorstenany idea what goes wrong here?
16:36:19JdGordonwindows or linux?
16:37:20JdGordonlinuxstb: is the url correct? I want to test this on the sansa and h300 for you before bed...
16:37:21SliMMis there anyone working at the plugin api?
16:37:22thorstenlinux
16:37:32JdGordontryed runnng with sudo?
16:37:36JdGordonor root privelages
16:37:40thorstenI run it was root
16:37:45thorstenas..
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16:37:58JdGordondoes dmesg show the ipod beign connected?
16:38:02thorstensure
16:38:17thorstenusb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
16:38:17thorsten Vendor: Apple Model: iPod Rev: 1.62
16:38:17thorsten Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00
16:38:25CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
16:38:25*JdGordon doesnt know :p
16:38:42SliMMis there anyone working at the plugin api?
16:38:59thorstenwhere can I find another version of the ipodcatcher?
16:39:01desowinthorsten: which model ?
16:39:16thorstenipod nano 1g
16:39:26thorstenipod nano 1gen 4g
16:39:28thorsten:)
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16:39:54linuxstbJdGordon: Yes, mpegplayer rotates on the sansa and gigabeat.
16:40:02JdGordoncool :)
16:40:21JdGordonand getting no reposnse from your www :(
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16:40:50linuxstbJdGordon: I'll pastebin it
16:41:17SliMMdo you think a bitmap rotation function is useful for the plugin api?
16:41:23thorstendesowin: any idea?
16:41:45linuxstbSliMM: Do you mean the plugin API or in the plugin lib? If you need something in a plugin, just write it... But don't write things which are not needed.
16:42:09desowinthorsten: according why ipodpatcher doesn't work - no, to get other version of ipodpatcher just checkout different version from svn
16:42:24SliMMthat is why i am asking whether is useful or not
16:42:36SliMMi don't need it myself
16:42:39linuxstbJdGordon: http://www.pastebin.ca/409182
16:42:47linuxstbSliMM: Then I would say no.
16:42:55JdGordonhow long is the elephant dream movie?
16:43:01thorstendesowin: ok
16:43:02linuxstb10m 53s
16:43:10SliMMok
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16:44:19SliMManother question: what is more important in plugin lib: less code or more speed?
16:44:22JdGordonand about how long should the h300 be able to buffer? or no idea?
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16:46:41linuxstb_thorsten: What happens if you type "ipodpatcher /dev/sda" (replacing /dev/sda with your ipod) ?
16:46:47*JdGordon 's computer isnt fast enough to do 2 full builds semi quickly :'(
16:47:18thorstenlinuxstb_:
16:47:18thorsten[root@ernie ~]# ./ipodpatcher /dev/sda
16:47:18thorstenipodpatcher v0.9 with v1.0 bootloaders - (C) Dave Chapman 2006-2007
16:47:18thorstenThis is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
16:47:18thorstenwarranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
16:47:19***Alert Mode level 1
16:47:19thorsten[INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sda
16:47:21thorsten[INFO] Sector size is 512 bytes
16:47:23thorsten[ERR] Drive is not an iPod, aborting
16:47:55JdGordonits not hfs formatted is it?
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16:48:07*JdGordon doesnt know if that would make a difference thouugh
16:48:12linuxstb_thorsten: I'm guessing your partition table is non-standard. Try restoring one from the IpodConversionToFAT32 wiki page.
16:48:29linuxstb_JdGordon: ipodpatcher supports HFS and Apple Partition Maps.
16:48:30thorstendo you have a link=
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16:48:58linuxstb_thorsten: Go to the Rockbox website, click on wiki, then type that page name into the "Go" box at the top.
16:49:05thorstenlinuxstb_: fs is vfat
16:49:29linuxstb_Have you repartitioned it in the past?
16:49:37thorstenno
16:49:48thorstenvfat is supported by ipodpatcher, right?
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16:49:59VPN-UserHello
16:50:27linuxstb_thorsten: And /dev/sda is definitely your ipod?
16:50:28VPN-UserShort question: Will the current daily build be usable on my V1 recorder? Because the builds are red..
16:51:12thorstenlinuxstb_: sure
16:51:28thorstenwhen I go through the steps you described all of my data will be gone
16:51:45nlsVPN-User: yes, the, but rombox doesn't work
16:51:51thorstenusb-storage: device found at 37
16:51:51thorstenusb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
16:51:51thorsten Vendor: Apple Model: iPod Rev: 1.62
16:51:51***Alert Mode level 2
16:51:51thorsten Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00
16:51:51***Alert Mode level 3
16:51:51thorstenSCSI device sda: 7999487 512-byte hdwr sectors (4096 MB)
16:51:55linuxstb_thorsten: What does "fdisk -l /dev/sda" display (please post to www.pastebin.ca, not in this channel).
16:52:05thorstenlinuxstb_: so, looks like sda is my ipod, he?! :)
16:52:09VPN-UserHm. I currently use rombox...
16:52:12nlsinsert "regular rockbox" where appropriate
16:53:15thorstenlinuxstb_: http://www.pastebin.ca/409206
16:53:22nlsVPN-User: we have long running problems with the binary size of rombox being too large to fit in the flash rom of the archoses
16:53:56JdGordonthis isnt about an elephant!! ??
16:54:09JdGordonsansa isnt handling it very well...
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16:55:17JdGordonlinuxstb_: actually, the sansa does handle it ok.. I tihnk its the buffering which is making it go to maybe 5fps every few sec....
16:55:47linuxstb_thorsten: OK, that looks fine. Can you do "dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr-thorsten.bin count=1" and upload that file somewhere (it will be tiny - 512 bytes).
16:57:20linuxstb_JdGordon: Elephants Dream is a 24fps file - I think it's simply that the Sansa can't decode it in realtime so it skips most frames.
16:57:49JdGordonim getting 9fps on the h300 without the idct patch
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16:58:08JdGordonI think im very out of sync :p
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16:59:16thorstenlinuxstb_: tuxgeek.de/mbr-thorsten.bin
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17:00:13linuxstb_thorsten: Yes, the MBR is the problem - it's not a standard ipod MBR.
17:00:36thorstenlinuxstb_: do you think dd'ing mbr-mini1g-4gb.bin without reformating would help?
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17:00:58linuxstb_If you can compile ipodpatcher yourself, I can point you in the direction of where to disable that check.
17:01:09thorstenlinuxstb_: sure
17:01:17JdGordonlinuxstb_: anyway, good work, a full slideshow is still better than 5min of a slideshow :D
17:01:23thorstenlinuxstb_: could you give me a link where I can find the source?
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17:02:28linuxstb_svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk/rbutil/ipodpatcher ipodpatcher
17:03:01thorstenok, have it
17:04:48thorstenlinuxstb_: have it
17:05:11linuxstb_Delete line 178 (the "return -1") in ipodpatcher.c
17:05:46linuxstb_And you'll need to read and follow the instructions at the top of the Makefile in order to build ipodpatcher with the Rockbox bootloaders.
17:05:50thorstenok, works now
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17:06:08thorstenthanks a lot
17:06:48SliMMwhat happens if the mpgs aren't the screen size?
17:07:32linuxstb_They're either centered (if smaller than screen) or cropped if larger.
17:07:58SliMMoh..
17:08:36SliMMon the ipod video 1g, mpegplayer doesn't work very well, right?
17:09:02linuxstb_No - a combination of slow CPU and large LCD.
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17:12:00SliMMis there any chance to find a way to use the decoding chip?
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17:13:39linuxstb_Only by disassembling the Apple firmware. But no-one has shown any interest in it - the ipod video is just one of about 20 different players Rockbox works on.
17:14:27SliMMi'll write a mail to apple konly asking for some help :P
17:14:37SliMMkindly*
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17:15:11SliMMhere's another question: how can i write drivers (for the ipod video mainly)
17:17:49linuxstb_Find out how the hardware works - if you're lucky there may be datasheets, but probably via reverse-engineering, and then write it...
17:18:20SliMM:)) i guess i'll stick to plugins for now
17:18:51SliMMis a flashplayer plug-in possible?
17:19:05SliMMan of course a java emulator
17:19:30sbehimpossible is nothing :D
17:19:41sbehSliMM: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/104160971/article.pl
17:20:04linuxstb_There are some hardware limitations... I don't think ipods can make coffee.
17:20:37sbehwhich world we where in if there was no hardwarelimitations ;)
17:20:37SliMMby possible i mean "will a flashplayer plug-in work real-time?"
17:21:38linuxstb_I would guess it's unlikely, but I don't know anything about flash. You'll need to do some research.
17:22:20linuxstb_Also, is there an open source decoder that will play the files you want to play, or would you need to do it from scratch?
17:22:44SliMMwell.. most mobile phones have the java emulator. i don't really think that a mobile phone is more "powerful" than a DAP
17:22:49SliMMmost DAPs
17:23:07SliMMi think there is an opensource flashplayer
17:23:53SliMMbut vector graphics.. it's quite cpu-intensive
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17:26:58linuxstb_No, I think mobile phones generally are a lot more powerful than the typical DAP.
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17:39:26mattzzHi, has anyone else observed http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6900 on his sansa?
17:42:28mattzz(or on any other model?)
17:48:21foolshmattzz: yes I have noticed this to while just playing music on my e260
17:48:25foolshtoo*
17:48:48mattzzfoolsh: when did you first notice it?
17:49:06foolshmattzz: two days ago
17:49:57mattzzme too. I guess you are running most recent SVN builds?
17:50:08foolshmattzz: music still plays on but it locked up scroll wheel light stays lit
17:50:14foolshyup update every day
17:51:15mattzzexactly the same here. This is a pain because it keeps me from doing battery_bench measurements
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17:55:01foolshmattzz: sometimes just as soon as the first song plays but after a reboot I try the same song but nothing happens
17:55:47mattzzfoolsh: Hm, since the 20-Mar-2007 we had some updates in kernel.c and lcd-e200.c that could be relevant
17:56:27mattzzfoolsh: As it seems to me that other targets do not show this behaviour I guess it is lcd-e200.c
17:57:00foolshmattzz: it was about two days ago the sound got kinda strange too like someone turning the balance from back and forth left to right really fast
17:57:42foolshbefore that it seemed to play just fine
17:59:01mattzzStrange.
18:00
18:00:30*foolsh is just happy to have sound on his sansa ;)
18:01:09sbehoh, rockbox outputs sound on sansa?
18:01:22foolshsbeh: yes it does
18:01:24mattzzYeah, progress is amazing!
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18:02:23sbehwill take me some time too switch mine :)
18:04:40foolshbah! white screen of death strikes again
18:04:58sbehbackup with dd is enough i guess?
18:05:01mattzzfoolsh: did you manage to provoke intentionally?
18:05:27mattzzsbeh: cp -R should be fine
18:05:28foolshmattzz:not sure i'll try what i was doing again
18:05:54mattzzfoolsh: are you running any plugins?
18:06:03sbehmattzz: hm, dd is saver :D
18:06:25sbehmattzz: freebsd`s usb2-performance is nice since 6.1 or so
18:07:09foolshmattzz: no I was in wps and pressed the power button to get back to the menu when it happened
18:07:35mattzzfoolsh: what wps are you using?
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18:08:02foolshmattzz: rockbox default
18:08:42mattzzfoolsh: that rules out plugins and wps dependencies
18:09:20*mattzz goes updating FS #6900
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18:11:20foolshmattzz: but the scroll wheel did not stay lit that time
18:12:09mattzzand the background light?
18:12:29foolshmattzz: stayed on
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18:13:56mattzzHm, whenever I had the wsod it seemed like only the display part was broken, all other threads continued working
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18:24:00foolshmattzz: Im gonna reverse the changes to kernel.c and play with it today to see if it still happens
18:24:42mattzzfoolsh: so you will go back to r12894?
18:27:11foolshno i'll just make the changes and compile
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18:27:31foolshdon't think i'll break too much ;)
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18:30:18foolshmattzz:
18:30:21foolshopps
18:31:30foolshI think I recreated the wsod just let some music play leave it on the wps in about two songs press the the power button to get back to menu
18:31:46foolshbtw backlight goes out
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18:34:28foolshwell gotta go
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18:37:54mattzzHm, Sansa reacts quite sluggish...
18:38:15zimperlighello?
18:38:37mattzzzimperlig: hello
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18:38:52mattzzThat was an easy one.
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18:39:02zimperligahh now its working! :D
18:39:40zimperligive got a short question!
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18:39:57mattzzGo ahead
18:40:28zimperligdoes usb loads my h300 in "bootloader usb mode" ??
18:40:38zimperligcause i dont see any status
18:40:48linuxstbDo you mean charge?
18:40:51zimperligyeah
18:40:56*mattzz is no h300 expert
18:41:04zimperlig:D
18:41:37zimperligdoes anybody of ya programmed rockbox firmware?
18:41:59linuxstbYes, but probably not many people will know the answer to your question. Just wait and see.
18:42:12zimperligcause i olny can say: daimn ***** this is a pretty gooodddd **** :D
18:42:51mattzzAnother white screen of death
18:42:58zimperlighehe
18:43:30zimperligi put rockbox on my h300 today and now my finger hurts
18:43:38zimperligthere so many settings
18:43:47zimperligand i tried all out :D
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18:44:46zimperligi think its charching.....
18:45:48SliMMcan i acces a pixel of a bitmap by bmp[x][y]?
18:47:59zimperligis there a thing like "move after current" when i am playin a playlist?
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18:48:41mattzzzimperlig: have you checked http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
18:48:55zimperligyeah
18:49:49toni1mattzz: can you please check my patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6908?
18:50:10toni1it possibly solves the problem with the white screen
18:50:11mattzzzimperlig: I think you are referring to "insert next"?
18:50:24toni1on sansa that is
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18:51:00mattzzanty vinyl patch - nice!
18:51:07toni1:-)
18:51:07mattzzs/anty/anti/
18:51:10mattzzgah.
18:51:20mattzztoni1: shure - I will
18:51:31toni1yeah, mainly it avoids the scratch things
18:51:44toni1mattzz: thanks
18:52:40zimperligwith the iriver firmware i had only to press A-B in de file browser to play anyfile next
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18:53:42SliMMcan i acces a pixel of a bitmap by bmp[x][y]?
18:53:42markunlinuxstb: I can't download the mpegplayer patch..
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18:55:13SliMMplease?
18:55:39joshinHow much do the tremor optimizations help audio performance?
18:55:51std|denislinuxstb: does all handling of the usb mode is beyond of rockbox's hands
18:55:51std|denis? at iHP1xx
18:56:23bluebrotherstd|denis, the h100 does usb in hardware
18:56:30bluebrotherRockbox only enabled the usb more
18:56:48std|denisbluebrother: thanx, i got it
18:56:58zimperligOMG i read the manual twice! and i didnt find a function in playlist to tell my player what file it should play next...
18:56:58zimperligam i silly or just blind.....?
18:57:50SliMMbluebrother:can i acces a pixel of a bitmap by bmp[x][y]?
18:58:26markunjoshin: I was wondering about that too, too bad tomasz didn't give the difference in boost percentage
18:58:30bluebrotherI don't know about the bitmap format. But if it's stored in an array I guess so.
18:59:15bluebrothermarkun, the FS task on that has some comments regarding performance
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18:59:27roolkuzimperlig: "insert next" or "queue next" in playlist menu
18:59:28markunbluebrother: ok, I'll look again
18:59:45bluebrotherit's not too much but it's at least something
18:59:55zimperligim just holding navi button in wps
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19:00:29zimperligthen playlist/show actually playlist
19:00:32linuxstbmarkun: I posted it to pastebin - read further down the logs.
19:00:55roolkuzimperlig: no, in file browser or database tree, positioned on the file/folder you want to play
19:01:36zimperlignow there are 400 files and if i holding navi down again theres only delete, insert in playlist, insert in new playlist.....
19:02:20markunlinuxstb: thanks
19:03:05roolkuzimperlig: playlist, not playlist catalog
19:05:33linuxstbSliMM: In Rockbox, bitmaps are usually single-dimension arrays of type fb_data - so you want bmp[y*BMP_WIDTH+x] - where BMP_WIDTH is the width of the bitmap. On greyscale and mono targets (or mono bitmaps on Colour targets), the bitmaps store more than one pixel in each byte.
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19:06:30SliMMso i must know the bitmap exact height and width?
19:06:42linuxstbYes
19:06:54SliMMdamn.. thanx
19:07:12linuxstbIf you're using bitmaps created by the Rockbox build system (i.e. .bmp files converted at compile-time), then you have access to the width and height.
19:07:49linuxstbe.g. look in the bitmaps directory of your build directory.
19:08:16std|denisSliMM: you can define your bitmap as "extern fb_data bmp[WIDTH][HEIGHT];" and use as a two-dim. array
19:09:00SliMMthat's a good thing to know
19:09:02linuxstbThat's not encouraged in Rockbox - you should use the bmp build system and #include the automatically generated .h
19:09:26zimperligroolku!thanks now i found it! but if there is this file already in list and i "insert next" this file does this file is now thwice in my list or just moved to another place?
19:09:38SliMM#include failed once
19:09:55SliMMso i just copy the .h content into my code
19:12:43std|denisSliMM: ..or just make a macro [smth like BMPPIXEL(bitmapname, x, y)], that will use automatically generated "BMPWIDTH_*" constant [BMPWIDTH_bitmapname]
19:13:40linuxstbSliMM: Are you processing the whole bitmap?
19:13:57SliMMuhm.. no
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19:14:39roolkuzimperlig: you really should read the manual. Neither removes the old entry, insert inserts permanently and queue temporarely
19:14:59roolkuzimperlig: if you want to just move the entry use the context menu in the playlist viewer
19:16:19roolku*temporarily
19:16:19zimperligok thanks a lot
19:16:51SliMMFor examle, how does lcd_bitmap_part work?
19:16:57SliMMexample*
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19:17:57linuxstbThe GraphicsAPI wiki page should explain it. Or look at the source to that function.
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19:21:44webguest21Hello.
19:21:53webguest21I have a Apple 5.5G
19:22:00webguest21I instaled Rock Box yesterday.
19:22:16webguest21It seemed to work fine, but now it is not working.
19:22:40webguest21The music is playing just fine, but the screen is frozen, and does'nt respond to any buttons I push.
19:22:42webguest21Any help?
19:23:38linuxstbmarkun: Updated mpegplayer patch here - http://www.pastebin.ca/409384
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19:26:00std|denislinuxstb: does rockbox's OS design imitate some another embedded OS or it was designed from scratch without any likeness?
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19:27:35Slasheristd|denis: from scratch
19:28:11std|deniswhy there's so many "yield"s? :)
19:28:28std|denisi thought it is preemptive..
19:28:31Slasheriit's co-operative scheduling, not pre-emptive
19:28:49Slasherihowever, it has priority scheduling etc.
19:29:13std|denisso if some plugin hang in infinite loop a music playback will hang too?
19:29:43Slasheriyes
19:30:02Slasheri(but on ipod not necessarely, because decoding will be done on other core soon)
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19:33:54markunlinuxstb: just tried the old patch. Works pretty well.
19:35:43linuxstb_"pretty well"? What's the problem?
19:36:21markunrebuffering seems slow
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19:37:21markunbut I noticed that in general: disk reading (dircache update for example) is slow when rockbox is busy with other things like playing some music.
19:38:00markunor can't that be helped?
19:38:14linuxstb_The newest patch only buffers 1MB to start with, and then starts playing whilst it fills the buffer up completely. It doesn't seem particularly slow to me.
19:38:47markunlinuxstb_: sounds like a nice improvement. I will start to convert some movies :)
19:40:10linuxstb_BTW, why is the A button stop, and not POWER?
19:40:40markunthe volume buttons on the Gigabeat probably should probably be 'rotated' as well (so LEFT and RIGHT)
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19:41:31linuxstb_Feel free to commit that - it won't conflict with my patch.
19:41:36linuxstb_Or I'll do it later.
19:41:39markunlinuxstb_: I think most people agree that A and POWER should be switched, yes
19:42:14markunI can quickly change it now for rockbox in general and then later improve the plugin button mappings, what do you think?
19:42:23*roolku doesn't aggree
19:42:24linuxstb_Sounds good to me.
19:42:39markunroolku: you're the only one I've heard so far
19:43:10roolku:)
19:43:26toffe82markun: what is the problem to have the button power as a button power ?
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19:43:37roolkudon't worry, I keep it locally the way I like it
19:43:51markunI know that you think POWER is easier to press than A, but it doesn't make sense to make POWER not the power-off button because it has the typical logo..
19:44:08markunroolku: ok :)
19:44:15*roolku has A as stop and shutdown
19:44:25markunEvery change will bring a lot of complaints anyway :)
19:44:56markunlinuxstb: still there?
19:45:00linuxstbYes.
19:45:07linuxstbJust switched computers...
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19:45:21markunmpegplayer hangs indeed after playing elefants dream
19:45:39markundoes your new patch fix that?
19:46:01linuxstbI hope so. At least it did for the test I just did.
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19:46:20markunpower doesn't turn the player off now..
19:46:39markunhow much work will seeking be?
19:47:14linuxstbProbably about the same as rebuffering (i.e. a day), but it may take me another 3 months to do it...
19:47:27markun:)
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19:48:25linuxstbThinking about it, it's probably more work than rebuffering. And it won't be easy to seek accurately.
19:48:56markunthat doesn't matter
19:49:12markunbut being able to go back a few seconds because you missed something is nice
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19:50:04lnxmomohi
19:50:26lnxmomohow do i install the fonts?
19:50:36linuxstbJust unzip them to the root of your player.
19:50:47linuxstbi.e. exactly the same way as you install Rockbox itself.
19:51:17lnxmomook thanx
19:53:49*std|denis wonder why there still no boulder-dash game for rockbox :)
19:59:10paerezanyone know the best way to reach amiconn outside of IRC?
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19:59:58markunlinuxstb: the instant playback with background buffering is a nice improvement
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20:00:25*markun is getting a bit tired of elefants dream..
20:00:36linuxstbDoes STOP work reliably for you? It doesn't seem to work on my ipod, but does on the gigabeat.
20:00:57linuxstbYes, I think it's about time for some alternative test videos...
20:01:38markunSTOP works fine so far
20:03:37linuxstbThat's good. In fact it does seem to be working on my ipod...
20:04:03SoapI've watched elephant's dream so many time when testing speed, but never listened to it once.
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20:05:30*linuxstb commits rebuffering for mpegplayer
20:06:49linuxstbmarkun: BTW, I tried a VCD MPEG-1 file I had sitting on my hard disk on the gigabeat, and it plays, but skips a lot of frames. I think that's due to the high bitrate of VCDs (> 1Mbit/s IIRC)
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20:07:51Soap1150 is standard
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20:07:58linuxstbThe aspect-ratio is also wrong - NTSC VCDs are 352x240, but a 4:3 aspect ratio. mpegplayer just crops it to 320x240.
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20:13:17XavierGrso what's the status on av/sync on mpegplayer?
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20:13:29markunXavierGr: done?
20:13:39XavierGrreally?
20:13:48XavierGrwow didn't notice I should test then
20:14:08markunI can only test it on my Gigabeat, so maybe that's not very fair
20:14:09linuxstbIt's done assuming your video file can be played in realtime on your device.
20:14:20linuxstb(or close to realtime - it skips frames)
20:14:45XavierGrah so in order for syncing to work you have to set frame skipping to yes
20:14:52XavierGrmakes sense
20:14:58Soaptime to encode movies to the Nano! ;)
20:15:09linuxstbXavierGr: Yes, that's now the default setting.
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20:15:34XavierGrcan the mpegplayer be ported easily for grayscale targets? :P
20:15:55linuxstbI don't think it makes sense - the Archos video player is more suitable.
20:16:03XavierGrindeed
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20:17:30linuxstbmarkun: I just did another 10m 53s test with ED, and mpegplayer exited at the end of the movie. So that seems to be OK now.
20:18:14linuxstbBut yes, seeking would make testing a lot more interesting...
20:18:15markunok, great
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20:19:03linuxstbSoap: Now we need some video-playback battery benchmarks :)
20:19:19markunI'm having some problems with mpencoder and audio resampling. It does a lot of 'frame skipped' and the audio and video are not in sync anymore..
20:19:46linuxstbI've never found mencoder very good... What's your source video format?
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20:19:59markunmost DAP manufacturers advertise with '4 hour video playback'
20:20:00*Soap puts on his psychic hat...
20:20:05SoapNano / Sansa wins!
20:20:16markunI wonder if we can outperform that
20:20:27linuxstbThe backlight is always the killer.
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20:23:39XavierGrlinuxstb: too bad battery_bench can't be run while mpegplayer is running
20:23:53XavierGrmaybe a special modified build with bb on core :P
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20:25:02linuxstbOr maybe put battery_bench in the plugin lib...
20:25:52linuxstbBut it would probably be trivial to make mpegplayer log the time/voltage to a file whenever it spins the disk up.
20:26:10XavierGrindeed
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20:27:42toffe82XavierGr: no news ?
20:31:51XavierGrnope
20:31:57XavierGrbut it is the weekend
20:32:14XavierGrdon't worry I am used to slow mail transfers of Greece
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20:44:01XavierGrvery interesting
20:44:50XavierGrmpegplayer works like a charm on grayscale if you comment out the luv-blit function
20:45:03XavierGrof course no video displayed
20:48:19Soaphow do I do a "svn diff" command which creates a patch with not just the modified files, but also the _new_ files?
20:48:39nlsSoap: svn add the new files firsat
20:48:42nls-a
20:48:47Soapjust "svn diff > ../patches/blah-blah.patch" didn't work.
20:51:39Soapthank you nls
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20:55:09linuxstbXavierGr: Yes, I did some testing on my h140 in the early stages - it's the only Coldfire target I have.
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20:56:59bluebrotherSoap, another option (if you don't want to svn add the file) is to diff -u /dev/null files >> patch
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20:57:30Soapwhat is the disadvantage of "svn add"ing the file?
20:58:01bluebrotherusually none. For cvs you can't cvs add unless you have write permission
20:58:26bluebrotherI still prefer the way of not svn add-ing files so I don't need to keep track about added files
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21:00:23Soapwill a "svn revert -R ." from rockbox "un add" the file after I do a "svn add"?
21:00:45bluebrotherdon't know, never tried
21:01:10Soapthanks for the alternative.
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21:17:42valiant3400hi
21:18:46valiant3400I need to uninstall rockbox fropm my sansa e250 and it's not working like it's supposed to. I downloaded sansapatcher and it said old something or other detected and aborted. I found where I needed to run the sansa updater to get rid of that problem so I installed it. That didn't help-it still says that
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21:21:23webguest29I've bought the sansa e250 today and was very excited to install rockbox for it!
21:24:56linuxstbvaliant3400: Follow the instructions on the SansaE200Install wiki page to install the original firmware. That removes Rockbox.
21:28:33Nico_PBagder: are you very demanding on GSoC applications ?
21:29:01markunI think we should be a bit demanding
21:29:22Nico_Pmarkun: not too mcuh :p
21:29:32Nico_Pmarkun: have you applied as a student ?
21:29:37markunno
21:29:39linuxstbI agree - it's going to be a fair amount of effort for the moderators, and we don't want to give students $4500 for nothing... :)
21:29:51linuxstbs/moderator/mentor/
21:29:56markunlinuxstb: it's google's money, but still
21:30:13valiant3400I've been trying to follow instructions for the past two days, just like I tried to follow instruction for as many days to install it in the first place. I just now put a pp5022.mi4 file in the system rout directory of my player and ran the sansapatcher to remove my bootloader and it still said that it was aborting
21:30:29BHSPitMonkeyvaliant3400, just leave it installed, duh!
21:30:39linuxstbvaliant3400: You just put the original pp5022.mi4 in the root directory, and boot the original firmware. That's it.
21:31:04SoapIf SoC students don't produce usable code, does it reflect poorly on the project for next year?
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21:31:27valiant3400ok then should I remove of.bin from system folder and .rockbox dir and rockbox.e200 at the same time I stick the pp5022.mi4 in there?
21:31:33linuxstbSoap: I guess it depends on the situation and the reports from the mentors. I doubt google will blame a project for poor students.
21:31:58linuxstbvaliant3400: No, do that afterwards.
21:32:21pearldiver"Initial attempt at rebuffering"
21:32:22bluebrothera GSoC student gets $4500?
21:32:26pearldiveroh.my.god
21:32:31linuxstbpearldiver: :)
21:32:44bluebrotherdid I get this right? Quite an amount ...
21:33:11linuxstbYes, but I assume the intent is that it's a full-time job for the student for at least couple of months.
21:33:14valiant3400ok I've already placed pp5022.mi4 in my rout dir and disconnected my player and ten pressed my power on button and followed that by holding the << button down for a bit until it came up to fm radio on original sansa firmware, now I reconnect, delete of.bin, .rockbox, androckbox.e200?
21:33:51linuxstbvaliant3400: Make sure the original firmware is booting OK, and there is no sign of the Rockbox bootloader. If so, then yes, you can delete any Rockbox files from the main partition.
21:35:50linuxstbDoes anyone know if the encoding syntax has changed in the latest vlc? I have the latest svn, and the command-line example on PluginMpegplayer gives an error about "no suitable sout access module for `file/ps://(null)' "
21:36:00valiant3400no sign of the boot loader while botting intentionally to the original firmware with the << button correct?
21:36:21linuxstbWhy do you need to hold the << button?
21:36:31valiant3400to get it to load to original firmware
21:36:51valiant3400otherwise it goes to rockbox
21:37:01linuxstbHuh? You should have removed the Rockbox bootloader.
21:37:36scorchebluebrother: and the organization gets 500...lots of beer for preglow ;)
21:37:48valiant3400I can't get it to let me remove it, because I install it the old way before you guys created that nifty little sansapatcher application
21:38:39linuxstbvaliant3400: So copying the PP5022.mi4 file to the root directory and then starting the original firmware doesn't work?
21:38:51linuxstbYou don't need sansapatcher at all.
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21:40:39valiant3400let's see, I put the pp5022.MI4 file in rout dir. I then unplugged the unit, turned it off, rebooted it by holding down the << button to go around my rockbox bootloader to get into sansa firmware in the first place, and it spent a bit displaying refresh databass. After that, I connected it to my PC again and it no longer has a pp5022.MI4 file in the rout dir where I placed it. I understand this is how it's supposed to be, Maybe I should ask wha
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21:41:19linuxstbvaliant3400: That sounds like you've successfully uninstalled the Rockbox bootloader. The OF should now start normally (without needing to hold <<)
21:42:46valiant3400if I restart in a moment and it does start without holding << like you said, then I can delete f:\system\of.bin, f:\.rockbox, f:\rockbox.e200?
21:42:55valiant3400where f is the sansa's drive letter obviously lol
21:43:25linuxstbYes. Just make sure it's "normal" again before deleting those files.
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21:43:34valiant3400ok
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21:47:19valiant3400lenix: no such luck. I restarted the player and it just stopped and displayed rockbox bootloader 2006 and a bunch of numbers. I then held down the << button after turning it back off and was able to get it to connect to the computer
21:47:55linuxstbSounds like the PP5022.mi4 file you installed was the Rockbox bootloader, not the original firmware.
21:47:59valiant3400hmm, maybe my pp5022 is a rockbox bootloader?
21:48:12valiant3400rofl, there we go
21:48:13valiant3400whew
21:48:18linuxstbHow big is it? If it's less than about 100KB, then it will be the Rockbox bootloader.
21:48:27linuxstbIf it's more like 5MB, then it will be the OF.
21:49:03valiant3400it's 59.5kb
21:49:14linuxstbThen that's definitely the Rockbox bootloader.
21:50:14valiant3400I also have a sansa updater application on my computer, that was supposed to do what putting the pp5022.MI4 file on my player did for me. This info was available when I tried to use sansapatcher to uninstall it, it provided a link when it aborted
21:51:43bluebrotherhmm. Did anyone get incompatibility issues with ipod and cypress USB-ATA bridge?
21:52:13bluebrotherlooks like my usb goes crazy when both are connected
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21:55:01valiant3400Lenix: My pp5022.MI4 file that I have here was supposed to be placed in rout directory in addition to .rockbox dir and rockbox.e200, and of.bin was placed in system dir. If that's the case, hmm wow
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21:56:04valiant3400that's how I got rockbox to work, so I must be using the wrong MI4 file, but you say it would be larger than 100k if it was the rockbox MI4 file
21:56:23linuxstbNo, I said it would be larger than 100k if it was the original firmware.
21:56:31valiant3400oh
21:56:34valiant3400lol
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22:01:04valiant3400raa I found one that's 5717kb and am downloading it now
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22:09:10andrewg867oh my god
22:09:22andrewg867what is wrong with this now >:(
22:09:51andrewg867that sound reversal or whatever was happening only with heavy CPU usage is now happening all the time now
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22:10:14andrewg867it doesn't happen when it is set to mono though
22:10:21andrewg867I'll record it again
22:10:34Soapif channeles reversed while in mono mode could you tell?
22:10:50andrewg867probably not
22:11:16andrewg867it is very fustrating to listen to now, it has only happened since some change last week
22:11:26andrewg867maybe with the LCD double buffer
22:12:04valiant3400stereo microphone?
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22:13:09andrewg867stereo audio input on the computer ;)
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22:14:09valiant3400blink, what might that have to do with rockbox lol. although I wish I could get that to work here
22:14:25andrewg867and if I do anything with any plugin I get lots of little pops
22:15:00Soaplinuxstb: I had been having a problem where Rockbox would hang upon plugging in a computer-connected USB cable. Updating to the latest (no text :( ) bootloader appears to have solved it. Is that to be expected?
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22:15:06Nico_Pisn't there a command in linux to get the number of chars in a file ?
22:15:18linuxstbwc
22:15:50BigMacWas scroll margins committed, because I can't find its tracker page anymore
22:16:00SoapBigMac: 2954
22:16:04BigMacand have searched changelog, but to no avail
22:16:08linuxstbSoap: The USB (mis-)behaviour seems random. It's currently acting very badly for for - it almost never works.
22:16:10BigMacok
22:16:13Nico_Plinuxstb: thanks
22:16:13linuxstb^for me
22:16:21valiant3400blah I need to get a copy of lenix running with a software screen reader and speech synthesizer on it, wouldn't that be fun
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22:16:24andrewg867ah HA
22:16:29andrewg867it is stereo reversal
22:16:45Soaphmm, it never worked for me, until just now when I tried updating the bootloader, worked for the first time ever. Luck of the draw!
22:16:46andrewg867if you open the mp3 i'm going to link you to in audacity and look at 2:43
22:17:18andrewg867it also happens at :35 :59 1:05 1:25 1:32 1:40 1:45 1:50 2:14 2:43 and many others
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22:17:50andrewg8674:02, right at the end you can see it like at 2:43
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22:17:56andrewg867let me upload it now
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22:20:14andrewg867http://aliant.ath.cx/~andrew/sansa/u2BeautifulDay-SansaDecoding.ogg
22:20:18andrewg867brb
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22:25:04jmsbwtr_hey, i have a 2G mini, is this COP stuff in the current svn, or do i need to patch and build myself?
22:25:48Soapit's in there.
22:25:55Soapneed the latest bootloader.
22:27:58andrewg867so anyone have a comment on that stupid audio problem?
22:29:58linuxstbandrewg867: Have you tried this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6908
22:30:55andrewg867linuxstb: I will try that now, thanks
22:31:39jmsbwtr_thanks Soap
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22:33:58valiant3400Linuxstb: the file I'm downloading is called 1.02.15a.mi4. Should I rename that to pp5022.MI4 or firmware.MI4?
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22:34:44linuxstbPP5022.mi4 I think.
22:34:44thegeeksorry to ask, but has there been any progress on the 80gb 5.5G disk stuff?
22:34:52linuxstbNo.
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22:36:29JavaMan22is there a way so i can launch .java files with text editor like.txt?
22:36:37JavaMan22instead of going to open with
22:37:05linuxstbYou can add them to .rockbox/viewers.config
22:37:11Soapgo to open with once, and check the "always open this type of file with....." checkbox.
22:37:23JavaMan22where is that checkbox?
22:37:27Soapoh, nevermind. HEADSLAP.
22:37:33JavaMan22>:o
22:37:52midkaySoap: haha.
22:38:21linuxstbAlthough with the number of viewers increasing, I can see that option becoming available...
22:38:25JavaMan22txt,rocks/text_editor, 55 55 55 55 55 55
22:38:28JavaMan22what is the 55??
22:38:40nlshex for the icon
22:38:45JavaMan22ooo
22:38:52JavaMan22:)
22:39:10JavaMan22txt,viewers/viewer,55 55 55 55 55 55
22:39:10JavaMan22nfo,viewers/viewer,55 55 55 55 55 55
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22:39:13JavaMan22there is two?!?!?
22:39:17JavaMan22how does that work
22:39:25nlsthe viewer is default
22:39:47JavaMan22i dont get it
22:40:37nlsjust add java,rocks/text_editor, 55 55 55 55 55 55 to the list
22:41:39JavaMan22ok
22:42:19valiant3400browse to it would work too
22:44:14Nico_PBagder: I have an application almost ready for MoB + basic AA
22:44:18nlsJavaMan22: and make sure that you backup the file as it wil be overwritten when you update
22:44:58JavaMan22...
22:45:07JavaMan22but i update like everyday...
22:45:25JavaMan22erm
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22:47:44JavaMan22is rockbox.ipod supposed to be in .rockbox too?
22:47:48nlsyes
22:47:58JavaMan22why do i need in both places
22:48:20nlsyou don't, delete the one in the root
22:48:34JavaMan22good :)
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22:49:06andrewg867linuxstb: it works :D
22:49:26andrewg867I can listen to music on Rockbox again ;)
22:49:27linuxstbangreg867: Good. Can you post a comment to the tracker to tell the patch author?
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22:50:00bluebrotherhmm. We should close feature requests for new ports with "rejected" instead of "invalid" imo ...
22:50:13mattzzandrewg867: did you observe the white screen of death on the sansa, too?
22:50:40JavaMan22is anyone working on a new game?
22:51:05andrewg867mattzz: I think I might have last night, I though I broke the LCD driver because I was trying to fix that damn audio reversal problem
22:51:15nlsbluebrother: maybe... although they request a whole new port, IMO not a feature
22:51:21andrewg867but it has only happened once
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22:51:51mattzzandrewg867: I have the patch FS #6908 running in this moment - seems much better now
22:52:07andrewg867and it has never just randomly happened, just on startup
22:52:17andrewg867mattzz: I completely agree :)
22:52:53bluebrothernls, yes −− but it's a request, and we reject that request ;-)
22:52:55*Nico_P has just submitted his student application to the GSoC :)
22:53:05bluebrotherthat noise in FS is quite annoying :(
22:53:08mattzzandrewg867: though the UI is sometimes still quite sluggish
22:53:24andrewg867mattzz: does it happen to you at the start of songs?
22:53:45Soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
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22:54:21SoapGigabeat has 417% of the MpegPlayer performance of the H10 20GB.
22:54:25mattzzandrewg867: no, only after some time. Skipping songs, switching between WPS and menu screen and after a while the screen just froze and faded to white
22:54:53mattzzandrewg867: I have not been able to reproduce that since I applide the patch
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22:54:59andrewg867mattzz: weird, that has never happened to me where it just froze and went to white
22:54:59Soap500% of an X5.
22:55:00mattzzargh applied
22:55:44andrewg867oh I should also make a patch to the audio volume changes I made
22:56:41mattzzandrewg867: what is that about?
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22:58:32andrewg867mattzz: I found the registers on the AS3515 to disable the over-current cut out, disable the "Common Mode Buffer" and increase the DAC -> Mixer gain. I find it is very comparable to the Sandisk firmware now
22:59:39mattzzandrewg867: That sounds good (literally). So the clipping-alike sound is gone with your patch?
22:59:59andrewg867yeah it should be
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23:00:14mattzznice!
23:00:24andrewg867that "Common Mode Buffer" really screws up the sound though
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23:00:36mattzzsubmitsubmitsubmit ;-)
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23:01:24*bluebrother managed to save a few bytes by restructuring root_menu.c
23:01:25andrewg867mattzz: if only I could remember my flyspray credentials ;)
23:01:39*mattzz patched battery_bench in order to have a complete benchmark on the sansa running now
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23:01:45Lloreanandrewg867: "over-current cut out" sounds like a good thing.
23:01:52mattzzandrewg867: I can give you mine ;-)
23:01:52*amiconn is undecided whether he should commit the first step of his charcell lcd code rework
23:02:06Lloreanamiconn: Why not, unless it breaks something?
23:02:13amiconnIt has a slight disadvantage compared to svn: jump scroll doesn't work
23:02:14pixelmaNico_P: got a finding about your tokenizer patch - it would be easier to explain (as you probably could try out yourself) if you'd have a coldfire target at hand (hopefully you do?)
23:02:32Lloreanamiconn: "Jump scroll"?
23:02:44Nico_Ppixelma: not atm
23:02:51amiconnBut the code is cleaner, and a lot more similar to the bitmap lcd code
23:02:55Nico_PI sent my H320 for repair
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23:03:39Nico_Ppixelma: maybe the sim will do though ?
23:04:05andrewg867Llorean: it sounds good on paper but sounds aweful, even the Sandisk firmware disables it. I was playing with the windows emulator and I saw that the real firmware sent the value to the register to set the timeout to 0ms
23:04:09amiconnIt already implements some of the bitmap lcd functions which weren't there before: margin setting, lcd_getstringsize(), lcd_putsxy() and some related text output functions
23:04:21amiconnNico_P: There's a NULL pointer access somewhere
23:04:24bluebrothersounds good
23:04:51mattzzBy the way: Anybody interested in checking out or submitting http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6636 or http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6616
23:04:59mattzz?
23:05:09Lloreanandrewg867: Is it just a bad sounding effect, or is it part of what limits the volume as well?
23:05:27amiconnNico_P: On SH and coldfire it hits when you enable the memory guard in the debug menu. Unfortunately that feature doesn't exist on arm
23:05:36pixelmaNico_P: hmm... so I'll try to explain... I wanted to know what is displayed for a very short time when you actually start playback - so amiconn started the watchdog on my Ondio (maybe it's only hwcodec either way) - it then gave me "I0C: UserBrk at 0901650A"
23:05:45Lloreanmattzz: Thought about giving rocklife the ability to load pattern files (or edit)?
23:05:53pearldiverwhats elephant dream's fps?
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23:06:02Lloreanpearldiver: 25 I think
23:06:03linuxstbpearldiver: 24fps
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23:06:08*Llorean almost got it.
23:06:12pearldiverit seems like it has much less tearing than the vlc encoded files
23:06:13***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:06:16pearldiver(on gigabeat)
23:06:21pearldiverso 24?
23:06:22amiconnThe UserBrk (on coldfire it would be 'Debug') address can be used to track down the individual function that causes the hit
23:06:23*bluebrother wonders why the last sync of FS #6616 is a c file rather than a diff
23:06:28andrewg867Llorean: if you set the timeout to 0mb then it just gets distorted when you max out the headphones (or the headphone amp) otherwise it just completely cuts out for whatever timeout you set (256mb default)
23:06:39linuxstbpearldiver: Yes, definitely exactly 24fps
23:06:45pearldiverok thanks
23:07:08pearldiverrebuffer works wonders btw
23:07:16Lloreanbluebrother: It's just a standalone plugin with no changes to the API, so the only other change is in SOURCES.
23:07:22andrewg867sounds better distorted because sometimes you get the odd bit of extra heavy bass in a song that you can live with being fractionally distorted than having it cut out
23:07:28pearldiveri think dave needs a bottle of champaigne to be sent his way :P
23:07:31pixelmaNico_P: s/watchdog/memory guard
23:07:35mattzzLlorean: Should be possible. You think the pre-selectable patterns are not sufficient or enough?
23:07:47amiconn(you need the .bin and the .map of the build in question, a disassembler, the C source and a bit of patience)
23:07:49Lloreanandrewg867: And what is this feature inteded to prevent? Damage to something?
23:07:53bluebrotherLlorean, yes. But I still prefer diff files
23:08:03Nico_Ppixelma, amiconn: can I try it on the sim ?
23:08:19bluebrotherand a diff can contain a single added file without any problems
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23:09:09Lloreanmattzz: How 'bout monochrome bitmaps? Just add it to viewers.config and allow users to open-with mono bitmaps with it. Then they can use a bitmap editor to create patterns for it without it having to have explicit pattern creation support.
23:09:13andrewg867Llorean: maybe but there seems to be no issue with disabling it
23:09:13Lloreanbluebrother: Me too.
23:09:18pixelmaNico_P: if it's only on hwcodec then probably not I've been told
23:09:39Lloreanandrewg867: What conditions would it have to be under to completely cut out?
23:10:00amiconnNico_P: The sim should segfault in this case. That is, if the tokenizer code doesn't behave different than on target
23:10:10mattzzLlorean: Thats a really nice idea!
23:10:29andrewg867Llorean: there is no built in shutdown feature that I know of (or described in the datasheet) if thats what you are asking
23:10:42Lloreanmattzz: Bitmap handling is fairly easy, patterns then don't require a special format, and people can open the Rockbox-mono logo and see what happens to it. :)
23:10:53mattzzHehe...
23:11:06Lloreanandrewg867: Well you said the sound completely cuts out for the timeout when it triggers. I more meant "what conditions cause this feature to trigger"
23:11:09mattzzor the wps...
23:11:22pearldiverlinuxstb just encoded a file at 29.97fps, it was out of sync after 1/3 way through it
23:11:35andrewg867Llorean: if the headphones make the headphone amp use too much current
23:11:36pearldiverwould forcing 25 or 24fps help it?
23:11:47amiconnLlorean: Jump scroll: When enabled, the text doesn't scroll pixel-wise (or character-wise on charcell), but in lcd-width chunks (reduced to match word boundaries if possible). It does this either for a selectable number of times (1 to 5), then switch to normal scrolling, or always instead of normal scrolling
23:11:52pearldiveror might help it, for that matter
23:12:04linuxstbpearldiver: Please test on a desktop video player - I would expect it to be an encoding issue. Assuming of course that you've enabled both Limit FPS and Skip Frames.
23:12:14andrewg867Llorean: and I don't think there is a way to change the current detection threshold eother
23:12:17Lloreanandrewg867: Is this likely under 'normal' use conditions, though?
23:12:21amiconnIt's currently *only* implemented for charcell (i.e. player). My new code doesn't do that yet. The settings are there, but they're ignored
23:12:34pearldiverlinuxstb yep, just test it, everything seems to be in order
23:12:43pearldiverso its not the encode
23:13:00amiconnI am planning to implement this for all targets with the "great scroll code unification"
23:13:07linuxstbpearldiver: Is Skip Frames enabled? The gigabeat isn't fast enough to display a 30fps file without skipping frames.
23:13:13Lloreanamiconn: I don't think it'd be too bad to have that disabled for the time being, then.
23:13:22amiconnBut for now it would be gone for player if I'd commit my changes now
23:13:27andrewg867Llorean: very much so, if you put on a loud song and don't turn down the volume then the over-current protection will cut in and 'help' with the situation
23:13:34pearldiverlinuxstb i think skip frames was OFF
23:13:35amiconnI think it's not good to accumulate too many changes
23:13:54*bluebrother agrees on this
23:13:57amiconnLlorean: If you see how it looks, build a player sim
23:14:15pearldiverlinuxstb let me test it with skip frames ON
23:14:23amiconnbluebrother: Yeah, especially since my experience of almost-data-loss
23:14:54bluebrotheralmost-data-loss is horrifying
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23:15:09*bluebrother remembers to setup a good backup strategy and system
23:15:46amiconnYeah, it was pure luck that the hdd didn't go completely bad at once
23:15:50Lloreanandrewg867: Can you trigger it with the player at 0dB, and a song replaygained to prevent clipping?
23:16:18pixelmaNico_P: I'm currently compiling a tokenizer build for my M5 - it it crashes in the same situation, then a swcodec sim most probably will do the same
23:16:27pearldiverlinuxstb yes, skip frames ON solves it
23:16:48bluebrotherI had a similar thing some years ago ... the hdd wouldn't spin up. Luckily I managed to get it spin up once again by hitting it a couple of times
23:17:02pearldiverlinuxstb so whats the more rational option, force 24fps or skip the frames?
23:17:03LloreanPercussive maintenance at its finest.
23:17:17Nico_Ppixelma: ok, I'll look into it a bit later this evening
23:17:40amiconnOne of the next steps of my rework (hopefully happening next week) will probably make JdGordon (and other ui devs) happy: charcell code will have lcd_update(), making it even more similar to bitmap code
23:17:43linuxstbpearldiver: You have other options - encode at a lower bitrate and/or a lower resolution.
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23:18:16amiconnNo more red builds due to forgotten #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP around lcd_update() ;)
23:18:23linuxstbpearldiver: But you should always enable skip frames - you'll soon notice if mpegplayer needs to skip too many, and that's your cue to re-encode.
23:18:24pearldiverlinuxstb im using the vlc bat file
23:18:34bluebrothersounds great
23:18:36amiconn...and considerably more straightforward handling, also in the sim
23:18:54andrewg867Llorean: the sansa headphone amp actually goes to 1dB but thats beside the point, I am not really that knowledgable in that area so I'm probably the wrong one to ask
23:19:23andrewg867I normally only play with hardware and see what I can do with it, not too much in the software side ;)
23:20:16Bagder11 gsoc applications and counting...
23:20:42Lloreanandrewg867: Basically, I'm just trying to figure out what conditions this 'safety feature' is meant to prevent. I've not heard the cutouts in the music at all, for example, or the strange distortions.
23:21:06Lloreanandrewg867: So I was wondering if it fit 'normal use' or if it aligned with what would be 'abusive' to the headphones anyway.
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23:21:38SlickireBadger: Hi, how many GSoC applications are you accepting?
23:21:38andrewg867with the current svn state, the developer whe first created the driver (name slipped my mind) intentionally made the gain lower to preven to over-current clipping
23:21:47andrewg867*who
23:22:12BagderSlickire: as many as possible, but I recon 4-5 is maximum
23:22:39pearldiverlinuxstb mpegplayer doesn't have problems with lower audio bitrates, does it?
23:22:47pearldiverlinuxstb like 96 or 64
23:22:52linuxstbIt shouldn't...
23:22:56andrewg867and the distortion will only happen if you increase the volume too much, right now with the settings I am using now I can turn it up to about -9dB without distortion but is still pretty loud
23:23:09linuxstbpearldiver: But the samplerate must be 44.1KHz.
23:23:33SlickireBagder: ah rite. I have just started looking into applying for it, what are you looking for in the applications?
23:24:00BagderSlickire: a good idea for the project, and a good idea on how to implement it
23:24:23Bagderpossibly also get a feeling if the person seems to have the means to pull it through
23:24:27Lloreanandrewg867: People were reporting distortion on various locations even with the reduced gain though. I'm just being cautious because we already have one person claiming we blew out his headphones on the Sansa (although he's got no evidence other than 'they stopped working after I'd been using my Sansa')
23:24:43Nico_PBagder: have you seen my application ? :)
23:24:55BagderNico_P: I've already scored it max ;-)
23:25:05SlickireBagder: Oh, so it doesnt have to be one of the projects suggested on the SoC page? It just has to be feasable?
23:25:15BagderSlickire: it can be anything you want
23:25:17scorchemine will come tomorrow after i make a call..
23:25:51Soap4500 might be able to buy a lot of outsourced Indian code.
23:25:56Nico_PBagder: nice :)
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23:27:22LloreanSlickire: Basically, in my opinion, try to pick something that seems well suited to the period of time you have (relative to your skills) and you think would be beneficial to the whole project (preferably as a whole, not something like work on improving how everything runs on a single player, unless its a 'new port' being brought up to speed)
23:27:27bluebrotheris there an overview page of the current status of SoC applications?
23:27:57Bagderbluebrother: only for the mentors I believe
23:28:17scorcheLlorean: well, improvements to PP would be acceptable
23:28:27SlickireAh rite, thanks. I have an idea for increasing battery performance (ie, longetivity) as well as the LLVM/ScummVM on the projects page, but I dont have a great insight into the rockbox codebase
23:28:29bluebrothertoo bad.
23:28:34bluebrotherhmpf
23:28:36Lloreanscorche: Yeah, but that's not single-target.
23:28:52bluebrotheris it me being too tired or is it root_menu.c?
23:29:01LloreanSlickire: Part of Summer of Code is familiarizing yourself with the project anyway, so that's perfectly acceptable.
23:29:35scorchei am still trying to figure out if porting a device over is above my level or not..
23:29:39LloreanBagder: It describes the "Comments" as "Public", does that mean they're just shared with the applicant, or does that suggest the page is public?
23:29:49BagderI don't know
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23:30:21Bagderbluebrother: can you read this page => http://code.google.com/soc/rockbox/open.html ?
23:30:26SlickireOh ok, so would an abastract view of my ideas be ok in the application?
23:30:58linuxstbSlickire: The more detail the better IMO.
23:31:20BagderSlickire: remember that you compete against several other fine applications...
23:31:22Slickirelinuxstb: True
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23:31:51SlickireBagder: yea, i noticed Nico_p is in the ranks here :)
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23:32:07bluebrotherBagder, no −− it redirects me to the signup page for mentors
23:32:14scorchelinuxstb: which link do you use to get to the archopen sources?...they all give me a 404
23:32:28Bagderbluebrother: ok, thanks for testing
23:32:35linuxstbscorche: I got them via svn/cvs
23:32:42linuxstb(whichever they are using...)
23:32:58scorcheah...alright...that is the one method i somehow forgot about...
23:33:33andrewg867Llorean: I doubt you would be able to blow any headphones with the headphone amp in this thing, it is only 40mW per channel with 16ohm or 20mW per channel with 32ohm headpones
23:33:36andrewg867*phones
23:34:22Lloreanandrewg867: Any idea why the feature exists then?
23:37:01scorcheonly revision 93...wow
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23:37:50Blastahello
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23:38:32bluebrotherhello
23:39:09Blastamy video ipod recently stopped responding to being plugged in, then once it's had a while, like days, to lie around doing nothing it'll respond to that again and charge, then operate like normal for a day or two then go back in to coma
23:39:52Blastai tried restoring the apple software the other day, and that seemed to continue working fine after several days of not-real-use, so i formated and reinstalled rockbox on it
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23:40:29Blastaeverything seemed to work fine, filetransfers even went faster, but after using it for about 1 hour last night and spending the night in my jacket pocket, it's now dead again :(
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23:41:06pearldiverlinuxstb still losing sync 2/3 in
23:41:13Blastai suspect some kind of hardware failure, but i have no idea how to check for this on a ipod
23:41:59Blastait's still under warranty, but i don't want to send it in and then get it back with them saying nothing is wrong
23:42:48Blastathere was an issue with a friend fumbling with connecting the cable to it, and he is notorious for breaking stuff you would think unbreakable, but nothing appears to be wrong when i look at another ipod compared to mine
23:43:17pearldiverlinuxstb will force 25fps now instead of 29.97fps
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23:43:34andrewg867Llorean: maybe to make AustriaMicrosystems look good? ;P
23:44:18Blastapearldiver: ?
23:44:39linuxstbBlasta: Do you experience the same problem when running the Apple firmware?
23:44:54pearldiverBlasta oh we're talking about fps rates for the mpegplayer
23:45:20Lloreanandrewg867: Could there be a settings option for disabling that feature, or would we have to do so at boot?
23:45:20linuxstbpearldiver: How long is your video?
23:45:29pearldiverlinuxstb about 23 minutes
23:45:33XavierGrheh mpegplayer plays too fast on the sim
23:45:35pixelmaNico_P: M5 doesn't crash and the Ondio-FM-sims debug menu is missing a lot of things :(
23:45:40Soap29.97 -> 25 will give the appearance of skipping (most likely) as inverse-tele should go to 23.976
23:45:41XavierGr(even with fram limit set to on)
23:46:01Soapshould cause roughly one duplicated frame per second?
23:46:02Blastalinuxstb: it didn't appear to happen after i just plugged it in and charged it a little and let it run out of battery while playing. then it responded fine again. but so it did with rockbox installed the previous week, then stopped working again
23:46:04pearldiverlinuxstb trying 25fps now with skip frames OFF
23:46:10pearldiverlooks good so far
23:46:19linuxstbpearldiver: There's no reason to disable skip frames.
23:46:40linuxstbXavierGr: It works fine in the sim for me...
23:46:48Blastaguess i'll wait for it to come back to life again and restore it and try it out for a few days... the default soundquality is just so abhoringly bad :(
23:46:59XavierGrlinuxstb: strange let me try it again then
23:47:06andrewg867Llorean: if you can help me with the menu option making/global setting then sure :)
23:47:20XavierGrjust got a segfault in the sim :\
23:47:24linuxstbXavierGr: Is the audio playing at the correct speed? The video should be synced to the audio.
23:47:41linuxstbXavierGr: Yes, I don't think removing threads is supported in the sim.
23:47:54linuxstbSo mpegplayer always segfaults when you stop it.
23:48:11XavierGrlinuxstb: on the test I just had audio was at normal speed though video was running quite faster
23:48:34linuxstbAnd you're sure the Limit Frames option was enabled?
23:48:41mattzzgnite
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23:48:55XavierGrlinuxstb: yeah, I already checked it 3 times .... strange
23:49:13Nico_Ppixelma: at what point exactly did the crash occur ?
23:49:27Nico_Pparsing ? displaying ?
23:49:57linuxstbXavierGr: And does the file play OK in other video players?
23:51:02XavierGrlinuxstb: it is a video I encoded at 10fps it seems to play fine on target and my pc but let me check on something again
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23:51:48Blastahm i managed to get life into it with the select-menu hodling down for ages, now it's charging and saying it has "very low battery"
23:51:54pearldiverlinuxstb losing sync at 25fps as well, same thing about 2/3 in
23:52:03Blastabut it was only used for about 60 minutes last night and then spent the night turned off
23:52:19pixelmaNico_P: when I start music playback and it should display the WPS - initially I just wondered what is displayed for a split second in the place where the tags belong...
23:52:20Blasta(this right now is while it's plugged in) so i guess dead battery?
23:52:40linuxstbpearldiver: If you enable "show fps", is it displaying 25.0 (or something close) ?
23:52:46pearldiverlinuxstb, its not drastic though but really visable
23:53:13pearldiverlinuxstb, 24.9
23:53:37LloreanBlasta: The low-battery warning thing is actually most commonly a bug in the iPod hardware. Charge it for a bit, then use Menu+Select while it's still plugged in to reboot it.
23:53:49linuxstbpearldiver: But it's fine on a PC?
23:54:05pearldiverlinuxstb, perfect
23:54:08andrewg867argh the auto change directory is broken
23:54:19andrewg867worked fine before the 'random' option addition
23:54:43linuxstbpearldiver: Can you upload it somewhere?
23:54:56XavierGrlinuxstb: with frame limiting it does indeed go slower but still quite faster than the original
23:55:03BlastaLloren: so you're saying that now after it's charged for a bit, i should unplug, then use menu-select to reboot it? and this is different from just normal poweroff?
23:55:15BlastaLlorean*
23:56:14LloreanBlasta: I said to do it while it's still plugged in.
23:56:20XavierGrlinuxstb: maybe it has to do with the fps of the video (which is encoded at 10)?
23:56:40Lloreanandrewg867: Broken with random disabled?
23:56:41pearldiverlinuxstb its 100mb, is that ok?
23:56:42BlastaLlorean: ah yea, sorry, late at night, eyes not working properly
23:57:06andrewg867Llorean: the whole thing is broken, even when set to yes it doesn't work
23:57:19SoapXavierGr: what program is giving you the option to do 10fps?
23:57:22linuxstbpearldiver: That's fine with me.
23:57:37pearldiverlinuxstb ok, will do
23:57:57XavierGrSoap: mplayer check the wiki
23:57:58Lloreanandrewg867: When you set it to yes, you also have to run the setup plugin
23:58:00XavierGrvery nice tool
23:58:06web-taz2hello
23:58:28andrewg867Llorean: setup plugin?
23:58:36web-taz2is it normal, that the themes which come along with the daily build are not shown right ?
23:58:43andrewg867I didn't have to do anything else prevously
23:58:51SoapXavierGr: 10fps is not a legal MPEG2 framerate. Many programs will do pseudo-10, but it's really 30fps internally with tripple duplicated frames.
23:58:57linuxstbweb-taz2: Did you install the fonts?

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