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#rockbox log for 2007-03-28

00:00:24bluebrotherCurunir: there is information in the wiki and forum about this
00:00:30Soul-SlayerThere's a guide on the wiki or the manual on how to use the tagnavi
00:00:48bluebrotherbut usually it would be better to create a new one called tagnavi_custom.config
00:01:01bluebrotheras that won't get overwritten when installing a new build
00:01:08Curunirahh
00:01:18Curunirsoul-slayer: where in the wiki can I find it?
00:01:28bluebrotherthe DataBase page
00:01:39bluebrother(surr
00:01:47bluebrotherhmpf.
00:04:13saratogawe really need to bother people to update the AMS wiki page
00:04:27saratogathey gave us a fair amount of help, and we don't even mention it
00:04:59Moosjust the "normal" documentation ;)
00:05:42bluebrotherdepends on how much "help" you consider what they did.
00:06:14bluebrotherquite some people thing releasing data sheet should be done by every company and isn't any kind of active help
00:06:27Moosamen
00:06:56linuxstbsaratoga: They've given us very little to compared to all the other companies who make all their datasheets available for download on their website as a matter of policy....
00:07:32saratogadidn't they hand out dev boards?
00:07:34linuxstbsaratoga: And it's been commented that they even made us go to their offices and pick them up...
00:07:49bluebrotherof course someone could add information about the process and leave the distinguision to the reader
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00:18:16sbehBuild expected to complete around 22:21:20 (in 7mins 24secs)
00:18:19sbehthats cool
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00:18:42KalthareLet me see if I understand the situation with MIDI on the iPod right. The midi plugin renders at 22.05kHz, and the iPod needs 44.1kHz?
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00:24:31Curunirthanks guys
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00:26:40H10_007quickQuestion: If some of the targets always have red (errors) how do people use them?
00:27:29linuxstbH10_007quick: They're not completely red - only "rombox" (Rockbox running from flash ROM) is broken on those targets. Normal Rockbox loaded from disk is fine.
00:27:42Kalthare...Actually, now the midi plugin data-aborts at startup. Okay, never mind then.
00:28:05linuxstbKaltare: It shouldn't do that...
00:28:11H10_007quickOh, but it shows at the bottom that it didn't make the build
00:29:08H10_007quickmake[1]: Target `all' not remade because of errors.
00:29:09H10_007quickmake: *** [all] Error 2
00:29:11H10_007quickThat is what it shows at the end: leads me to belevie that it was a failed build
00:29:23linuxstbYes, parts failed...
00:29:47H10_007quickSo is a build still made even with errors?
00:29:52bluebrotherif a build fails it won't be useable
00:30:08H10_007quickthat is what I thought
00:30:12bluebrotherso users will have to wait for someone to fix it or use an archived build
00:30:26Kaltharelinuxstb: whenever I try to play a midi on the build I just did, I get "Data abort at 0004FC4C".
00:30:29Soul-SlayerOr make it ignoring errors.
00:30:35H10_007quickbut some of the targets always have the same error
00:30:43Soul-SlayerAnd aslong as you aren't using a part of it that errors, you're okay
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00:31:05H10_007quickAh... so they have it set to ignore that part... I see
00:31:34Soul-SlayerFor instance, a codec used to cause a red build on the H10... When I built it with something like make -x (I don't remember the exact switch)... It functioned fine, and as I didn't need the codec, it never made a problem
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00:32:21H10_007quickI see
00:32:31bluebrothermake -k
00:33:26H10_007quickmake -i?
00:33:45Soul-SlayerSomething like that
00:33:51Soul-SlayerThe switch that ignores errors
00:33:55H10_007quickI see
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00:38:10nlsanyway the make file for the archos taegrets is made so that the regular rockbox binary is made before the rombox one so when it errors out in rombox, regular rockbox has already been built, now sleep
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00:39:30H10_007quickMost of you must be from europe Its only 3:30 here
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00:39:50t0mashi! :D
00:39:57bluebrotherhi t0mas
00:40:13t0masfinally gotten back to rockbox :)
00:40:19bluebrothernice :)
00:40:43t0masjust installed it on my ipod nano.. improved a lot from the point where I left :)
00:41:00t0maslooks way better than a year ago on my iriver :)
00:41:52bluebrotherit still looks great on my iriver ;-)
00:42:06t0mashehe, probably better than a year ago..
00:42:14t0maslots of new features etc...
00:42:35bluebrotheryeah ... already checked the MajorChanges page? ;-)
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00:43:19*Moos is imagining a one year old svn commits logs :)
00:43:26Mooswelcome back t0mas
00:43:48t0mascvs back in the day ;)
00:43:53t0masbluebrother: cool, reading
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00:58:59XavierGrwow t0mas, long time no see! Welcome Back :)
00:59:59markunt0mas: hi man!
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01:00:21markunWe ported rockbox to the Toshiba Gigabeat while you were gone :)
01:01:13markunamiconn: nice work on russian support for the player
01:01:41t0mashehe, yeah I'm still reading the wiki
01:01:49t0masdoes the ipod nano support mpeg playback?
01:01:56t0masseems so in the Mpegplayer docs..
01:01:58H10_007quickyup
01:02:03t0masbut the plugin is not in the nano build?
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01:02:14H10_007quickin the viewers folder
01:02:19H10_007quickjust click on a movie
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01:02:45t0mashmz.. wrong file or something
01:02:52t0masmine has no mplegplayer installed
01:03:05H10_007quickdid you do a current build?
01:03:39t0mashmhm, svn/cvs build
01:03:48H10_007quickLook under .rockbox/viewers
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01:04:18markunt0mas: cvs isn't used anymore, I don't think you have the latest version if you used that
01:04:23t0masno. svn
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01:04:38t0masmaybe some error while copying..
01:04:53t0masI'll just download todays daily and extract that to it
01:05:01H10_007quickDefinetly should be there
01:05:01t0masthat one does contain the mpegplayer.rock
01:05:13H10_007quicknot in the plugins section though
01:05:31H10_007quickits a viewer
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01:05:38t0mashmhm
01:05:46t0masthe file just wasn't in my rockbox-ipodnano.zip
01:06:06H10_007quickdid you look in the viewers folder?
01:06:10t0masyes
01:06:16H10_007quickstrange
01:06:20t0masfile is downloaded 27-03 at 0:18
01:06:24t0masmaybe a bad build or something
01:06:37t0masbut all was green in the table :S
01:07:15***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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01:07:43pixelmaI can see it in the viewers folder in the zip...
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01:08:02t0masI can send you my zip?
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01:08:07t0masit really isn't in that one
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01:08:23t0masrockbox-ipodnano.zip\.rockbox\viewers: 6 files
01:08:27t0masno mpegplayer
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01:08:43t0masjust: jpeg, properties, search, sort, vbrfix and viewer
01:08:46H10_007quickdownload the top build even though it is yellow
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01:08:54t0mashmhm, I just downloaded the daily
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01:08:59t0maswhich does contain the player
01:09:11H10_007quickya
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01:09:17H10_007quickwhat did you download before?
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01:09:39t0massvn build
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01:09:47Soapanyone man enough to test my sync of the scroll-margins patch? ;)
01:09:50H10_007quickso you compiled it ?
01:10:11H10_007quickSoap: to see if it patches?
01:10:19t0masno, prebuild zip
01:10:24H10_007quickSoap: or is it different?
01:10:26t0masI'm looking up from where..
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01:10:35t0masbecause I can't find a rockbox-ipodnano.zip anywhere on the site..
01:10:51SoapH10_007quick: I'm pretty sure it patches, question is if it works still ;)
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01:10:56H10_007quickgo here : http://build.rockbox.org/
01:11:12H10_007quickthey only have current build now
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01:11:28H10_007quickSoap: what is it supposed to do?
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01:11:54H10_007quickSoap: I have it in my custom build only becasue people asked for it, I have no idea what it does
01:12:42SoapIt allows you to set the margins in which a line scrolls in a WPS. Stock behavior is a full line scrolling or not. This allows a subset of a line to scroll. Old patch, always going out of sync. I _think_ I synced it right - but "who knows"? ;)
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01:13:45t0masah
01:13:56t0masare we still working on the bounding-boxes around WPS text?
01:14:03Soapyour build is for iPods, I'm 99.9% sure it will work for iPods. i'm curious if it will work with LCD remotes. We'll see how close that 99.9% guess was when the compile is finished.
01:14:14t0masthere was a great idea for that a long time ago.. but it never really caught on?
01:14:37Soapamicon's concept for "viewports"
01:15:08t0masyeah I guess so
01:15:12Soapit's getting fleshed out, and I think there was talk about SummerOfCoding it, let me check the wiki.
01:15:25H10_007quickSoap: are you going to upload the patch to the flyspray?
01:15:52SoapH10_007quick: I'm not sure if that would be considered rude or not.
01:16:09SoapSince I don't know enough to know if I did it right or not.
01:16:34H10_007quickI would upload it and say that "I'm not sure if this is right... but"
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01:17:56t0maswell... I don't know about right now.. but just a few months ago we loved getting patches
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01:18:03t0masthey just were never really accepted..
01:18:15t0masbecause nobody had enough time to look at everything uploaded to flyspray
01:18:53Moost0mas: you found a new rockbox job then ;P
01:19:04SoapOh, it's only a couple of days out of sync. I just don't know if I should be using Flyspray as my personal "I'm a noob to C, does _this_ look right?" page.
01:19:07t0masyeah, problem is.. my job is what's keeping me away from rockbox
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01:19:36markunt0mas: at least your distributed build system is still running fine
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01:19:40t0mascool
01:19:56Moost0mas: we are more or less all in this case I think
01:19:59markunat least I think it's your system
01:20:02H10_007quickSoap: I'm currios now: I want to try the patch
01:20:10t0masif nobody wrote a new one.. yes
01:20:15t0maseverything still fast enough?
01:20:18t0maslots of servers now?
01:20:39markunSome times it's rockbox wich is keeping me from doing my job :)
01:20:47t0masah yes.. still at least based on my script: http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-20070327T223203Z.html
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01:21:31t0mascool to see it still works
01:22:45robin0800"/msg hello"
01:23:01H10_007quickSoap: it didn't work
01:23:18Soaphttp://rockbox.cleansoap.org/files/scroll-margins_2007_0327.patch
01:23:55Soapaarrgghh, need to set the mime-type on that page.
01:24:07robin0800"hello"
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01:31:08smablyquestion: is it possible to adjust backlight fade duration on the gigabeat?
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01:32:33markunsmably: I don't think it is
01:32:45smablyokay. hardware limitation?
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01:32:55markunthe guy who was working on the fade feature is very busy changing jobs
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01:33:23smablyok, fair enough. maybe i'll hack on this sometime, then. :)
01:33:35markunok, you're welcome
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01:33:45markunI have enough things I want to work on already
01:33:47Lars_GI come for the impossible
01:34:05Lars_Gis there any player out there. that runs rockbox, and that has 20Gb or more, but it's %100 flash based?
01:35:47Soul-SlayerAre there even players out there 20gb or more flash based? :$
01:36:35harlequini dont think so...unless you get alot of memory cards
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01:37:09harlequinanyone know where i can download the latest bootloader for the gigabeat f10
01:37:20SoapLars_G: I think the closest you can get w/o going crazy hardware hacking would be an iPod mini with at 16GB CF card.
01:38:11tsuyoshibiggest flash players are only 8 gigs so far
01:38:18Soapor, a CF to 2.5"HD adapter and one of the Archos players perhaps?
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01:38:52Lars_Gah well i'll keep waiting for the 32gb flash drive to enter the dap market.
01:38:59Lars_Gthanks guys.
01:39:15Soul-Slayer:P
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01:39:34t0masok.. nice to be back here for a little while..
01:39:37t0masbed time now :)
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01:39:41t0mas1:40am..
01:39:57Moosgood night t0mas
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01:40:00t0mastnx
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01:42:47smablyLars_G: just buy an ipod/iriver/gigabeat and replace the disk with one of these: http://news.digitaltrends.com/article12556.html ;)
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01:44:08Lars_Gsmably: not available to end users yet ;) only to OEMs
01:44:39smablyyeah; i'm sure it would cost a small fortune anyway
01:45:38Lars_Gwell the 32Gb ones toshiba is about to put out, come at $250 to the OEMs
01:45:44Lars_Gnot cheap but not too bad either
01:46:00Soapno kidding. That's quite reasonable. Is that a 2.5 or 1.8" form factor?
01:46:21smablyyeah, pretty cheap for that much flash memory
01:47:02Lars_G1.8"
01:47:06Lars_Gbut Sata
01:47:22Lars_Gso no easy reffiting our old ipods with it
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01:49:02scorcheLars_G: samsung just announced a 64 one
01:49:24scorchehttp://news.digitaltrends.com/article12556.html
01:49:40Lars_Gsmably: do you thing scorche will get pissed off if I get sarcastic with him?
01:49:49smablyheh!
01:49:50scorche"Samsung claims the respective read and write performance on the drive have been increased by 20 and 60 percent: the 64 GB unit can read 64 MB/S, write 45 MB/s, and consumes just half a Watt when operating (one tenth of a Watt when idle). In comparison, an 80 GB 1.8-inch hard drive reads at 15 MB/s, writes at 7 MB/s, and eats 1.5 Watts either operating or when idle."
01:49:59scorchepower consumption, if true, is nice
01:50:50Lars_Gscorche: do you realize smably had ALREADY posted that article?
01:50:59scorche.....oh...
01:51:01scorchebug off
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01:52:10smablydon't worry; no harm done :)
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01:53:26SoapWhat percentage of battery consumption is the hard drive?
01:58:20SoapOk, despite the crickets I'll ask my next question: Can I build for multiple targets in the same directory w/o doing a "make clean" or "make veryclean"?
01:58:57Lars_GI wouldn't recommend it
01:59:07hcsif you have a different build directory for each target you'll be fine building from the same source
01:59:16Soul-SlayerIt's not much harder to make a new build directory reaaallyy is it :p
01:59:32SoapI was just curious about taking full advantage of ccache.
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02:00:34Soap(when it takes 45-60 minutes to build, you want every help you can get)
02:01:43robin0800how do you enable ccache?
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02:02:30SoapI believe if you have it installed it is smart enough to use itself. I just don't know if "make clean" disrupts it.
02:02:38KalthareSay.. would the recent COP changes cause problems with plugins?
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02:04:18KalthareIt would explain why nearly every plugin or viewer I've tried so far has crashed.
02:04:29Soapahh, just updated from an older build?
02:04:38KalthareYeah.
02:04:46Lars_GI need to update rockbox. anything special I need to do then?
02:04:48SoapI bet you have two copies of your rockbox program.
02:05:10KalthareI think I cleaned the old one out. I'll check, though.
02:05:11Soapthe new builds put rockbox.ipod (for example) in the .rockbox folder.
02:05:29Lars_GORLY?
02:05:30Lars_G:)
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02:06:07Soapso you might have the old one on the root of your player and the new one in the .rockbox folder, and the old one is booting and seeing new plugins and not knowing what to do with them.
02:06:11Lars_GI need to get lattest. My current has an error that drives me mad
02:06:32countrymikeis there a way to add notes/comments to issues in the bug tracker?
02:06:34Lars_GSoap: of course that means I need a new bootloader too?
02:06:55KalthareThe old rockbox.ipod is gone.
02:06:56countrymikesuppose you've got to be logged in eh?
02:07:21SoapLars_G: for many a moon (very long time) the bootloaders have looked both places.
02:07:31Soapyea countrymike
02:07:44Lars_GSoap: phew. I'm still anxious about compiling my own... somewhy
02:09:16KalthareSo far, rockboy seems to work fine, doom and midiplayer data-abort, battery_bench resets the player, blackjack displays wrong, bounce runs but crashes on exit, and brickmania freezes.
02:10:11markunharlequin: yes, on rockbox.org go to the current build page
02:13:21robin0800http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment this page dosn't tell you to install ccache thats why I didn't have it
02:13:41Lars_Grobin0800: It's not needed
02:14:23robin0800does it improve make performance?
02:14:50Soapa baseball bat improves cygwin performance. ;)
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02:15:24robin0800that might damage the computer
02:15:28Lars_GSoap: and some KY
02:16:02Lars_GI think I'll title a story like that... "My first lover was a baseball bat and a pot of KY"
02:16:12MoosSoap: tried vmware?
02:16:20Lars_Gor qemu
02:16:32scorcheMouser_X: he uses colinux ;)
02:16:44scorcheand my autocomplete doesnt like you moos
02:16:52Mooshehe :)
02:16:54SoapMoos: my computer is too old for vmware, I can push enough buttons and pester enough people to keep the colinux image current.
02:16:57scorcheMoos: there it goes
02:17:09Moosok
02:17:11robin0800seriously I see it in this http://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20070327T223203Z&type=iPod%20Video%20-%20Normal
02:17:15scorchei thought that you maintained the colinux?
02:17:55Soapscorche: considering how much help I get from people answering my questions - claiming "maintainer" is a stretch.
02:18:01scorcheheh
02:18:30Soapmore like "does what nobody else cares to do". Like battery benches.
02:18:40Soapnot "
02:18:50Soapnot "what nobody else can do"
02:18:52scorchespeaking of virtual machiens...anyone think of anything the vmware image needs?
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02:19:20scorcheSoap: well, plenty of others can easily do what i do, just no one else actually does =P
02:19:21n17ikh|Lappyhas anyone ever heard of replacing the hdd in a 20gb H10 with a larger one?
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02:20:12Soapto answer your question directly Moos. It offers performance improvements on linux. I don't know if it does through cygwin.
02:20:29Soapn17ikh|Lappy: people do it all the time.
02:20:40harlequinwhat does batter benching do anyway?
02:20:45Soapnevermind. I saw H100, not H10.
02:21:08Moosscorche: planed to pdate the image?
02:21:21scorcheMoos: aye...another one is on the way
02:21:23Soapharlequin: not much. I tested codecVScodec in a controlled steel-cage match. To see which one offered better runtime.
02:21:25KalthareOh yeah −− I've had my arm-elf toolchain at least since I was working on the 2K FAT problem. Is there anything in that I need to update?
02:21:33harlequinooh ok
02:21:51scorcheto allow for arm thumb-mode, if it is ever used
02:22:08MoosSoap: I puched cygwin on garbage when the vmware image was out, and definitively, another world
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02:22:26Moosscorche: cool !
02:22:52SoapI tested No Coprocessor vs Coprocessor vs Coprocessor and double sized RAM cache to see A-if COP was a big positive or negative in terms of runtime. B-if 64megs of buffer offer than much over 32megs of buffer.
02:22:55SoapThat kind of thing.
02:22:56scorchenot really...all i am doing is running rockboxdev.sh again to take the arm patch in
02:22:58n17ikh|LappyI don't think 1.8" drives are a common size, are they?
02:23:14n17ikh|Lappye.g. the case sizes vary by x amount
02:23:21n17ikh|Lappythickness, etc
02:23:46Soapmost of the thickness differences are due to single vs dual platter.
02:23:49Moosscorche: no new packages? (I have no new one need in head)
02:24:31scorcheMoos: no reason to update if it isnt needed
02:25:02n17ikh|LappyI guess there's no such thing as a single platter 60gb drive?
02:25:13Moosscorche: maybe new usufull one that you can think about and that we missed...
02:25:33Soapn17ikh|Lappy: 40GB is the largest that I know of.
02:25:37scorcheMoos: that is why i am asking, but i cannot think of anything vital
02:25:42n17ikh|Lappythat's what I thought...
02:26:05Moosscorche: :)
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02:32:07BiGRED84Hello i have another question, although it is not completely related to rockbox, my h10 20gb does run rockbox, and i also know that people over at rockbox know alittle bit about my problem
02:32:22scorchewell, this is #rockbox...
02:32:57BiGRED84yes i know, my problem is that it seems there is a coruppted file in the system folder on my h10
02:33:21BiGRED84*sorry about missing a '#'
02:34:30BiGRED84i found this out because my h10 was acting wierd when i browsed the root of the device on the computer, when ever i got to the system folder the h10 would freeze and i would have to reboot it and reconnect it to the computer
02:35:36BiGRED84so i went to windows disk defragmentor and selected analize device and it said there is a corupted file in the system folder and that defragmentatiopn vould not continue
02:35:58BiGRED84is this problem suitable to be discussed here?
02:36:09BiGRED84*apropriate
02:36:24*scorche points to the topic
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02:38:25BiGRED84can you recomend another channel for me to go to please?
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02:38:56scorchenot really
02:39:14BiGRED84oh, thank you anyway
02:40:42jhulstBiGRED84: pm me, if you can
02:40:59scorchehe isnt identified, so no he cant
02:41:13BiGRED84how do i identify myself
02:41:20scorcheyou need to register
02:41:21BiGRED84my nick over at rockbox is delorean90
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02:41:33scorchewith freenode
02:41:42BiGRED84oh, how do i do that
02:41:49BiGRED84i am new to IRC
02:41:50Soap /msg nickserv help
02:41:56BiGRED84thankyou
02:42:05Soap(without the space before the / )
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02:44:23BiGRED84does mIRC support this?
02:45:16jhulstBiGRED84: as far as I know
02:45:32scorcheBiGRED84: think of it as messaging a bot on a network
02:46:22jhulstBiGRED84: follow these instructions otherwise http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
02:47:40BiGRED84where do i put '/msg nickserv register <your-password>'
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02:48:51jhulstBiGRED84: Right where you put in all your other messages, just like you are talking to me
02:49:41BiGRED84oh, thank you, again i apoligize, i just started using irc last week, and i am learning :-)
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03:00:18Lars_GWTF
03:00:24Lars_Gbiiiiiig changes in the main menu!
03:00:51Lars_Gwow rockbox is reaching "I'm gona come on my ipod" levels
03:01:14Lars_Gstill. why the hell do I always have to reboot to enable the db?
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03:01:33Lars_Gto commit it, that is.
03:01:42Lars_GI have a flash ipod, I want on-the-fly commital!
03:02:01LloreanYou should only need to commit it when you first initialize it.
03:02:14LloreanUpdates shouldn't require rebooting unless it's grown outside of the memory allocated for it, I believe
03:02:22Lars_GLlorean: In the previous version, I also had to commit (via reboot) when I asked it to update
03:02:45LloreanHow long ago was it from, though?
03:02:55LloreanFrom the sounds of it it's been quite a while since you updated.
03:02:58Lars_Ghmmm... 2.5 months old approx
03:03:16Lars_GI updated last time just when the last big change that forced a new bootloader was made
03:05:09Lars_Goh no, my favorite feature is gone
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03:05:19Lars_Gwell not THE but one of them
03:05:47LloreanWe aren't in the habit of removing features entirely
03:05:53LloreanWhat one seems to be missing?
03:06:01Lars_GThe special held-menu menu
03:06:07Lars_GAh no
03:06:07LloreanThe quick menu?
03:06:08Lars_Git's there
03:06:12LloreanIt's still there in all the screens it used to be there in.
03:06:15Lars_Gbut only inside database and such
03:06:19Lars_Gyes yes.
03:06:24Lars_Gsmarter each day
03:06:25LloreanIt was never there in the menuing system.
03:06:39Lars_Gand now I'm sadder and sadder that I've not been able to contrib any code to rockbox
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03:07:23delorean90i think i am registered now (i previously was BiGRED84)
03:08:20Lars_GLlorean: Are there any new features for wps now that I might miss unless I get a newer theme? specially stuff I don't need to repatch to use :)
03:09:17LloreanLars_G: Not really, I don't think
03:09:25Lars_Gthanks
03:09:42Lars_Gand you've not been able to unriddle the serial port in the chip while I wasn't looking, did you?
03:09:46jhulstdelorean90: The offer is still open if you want to pm me
03:10:00LloreanLars_G: Nobody's really working on it, I'm sorry to say
03:10:08Lars_GAh it's ok.
03:10:21Lars_GI would give it a try but I'm too busy with life
03:10:46delorean90jhulst: how do i pm you again?
03:11:12Soapin mIRC I think you can double-click on the nick.
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03:44:08delorean90would my mp3 player still work if i use system files from another device, but an identical device?
03:44:34LloreanLike, an H10 with system files from another identical H10 (same capacity)?
03:44:45delorean90yes
03:44:53LloreanIt _should_
03:45:13delorean90ok, i wanted to make sure because it seems that my system folder is corupted
03:45:48TrueJournalsdo you have a 20 GB or 5/6 GB?
03:45:53delorean9020 gb
03:46:07TrueJournalsthen the H10_20GC.mi4 will work from any other H10 20GB
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03:46:39delorean90ok, well i was going to just use rockbox only, but i wanted to make sure that there arent any other important files in the system folder
03:46:47TrueJournalsnope
03:47:14delorean90ok thank you, i have forgotten, where can i find a bootloader for a 20gb h10?
03:47:22delorean90for rockbox
03:47:29Lloreandelorean90: In the manual
03:47:54TrueJournalshttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
03:48:36delorean90thankyou, has the manual been updated with the intructions for the new dual boot setup?
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03:49:46TrueJournalsyes
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03:50:53delorean90ok thankyou
03:51:10TrueJournalsglad to help
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04:03:26jhulstHoffmann: You were one of the original people working on the ZVM Port right?
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04:47:57KalthareHow do I set Rockbox to read filenames as utf8?
04:58:05safetydanKaltahre, I don't think there's a specific setting to do that. Maybe the codepage settings?
04:58:08jhulsttoffe82: You around?
04:58:34safetydanIs it actually having problems reading the filenames or are you just talking about displaying them? If it's just the display, try a font with unicode characters.
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05:12:15KalthareWell, I've set it to unifont, and the default codepage to utf8, but it's still displaying the filenames as latin1 spew.
05:16:42safetydanKalthare, maybe this thread will help http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3871.0
05:17:04safetydanBasically utf8 filenames should work, but make sure you mount the driver correctly in linux or strangeness may occur.
05:17:47KalthareHmm, okay. Thanks.
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05:43:57bonbonthejonwhats the status for Summer of Code
05:44:38LloreanThat's a very vague question.
05:45:01LloreanI believe student signups have ended, and we're now in the "Mentor evaluation of the applications" period.
05:45:11bonbonthejonLlorean: thats what i was looking for
05:45:25LloreanWell, that's all just on the official SoC timeline
05:46:10bonbonthejondid students need to do anything besides express interest
05:46:54LloreanThey had to write and submit an application/proposal through the Summer of Code website.
05:47:11bonbonthejonLlorean: ah, there goes that idea
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06:19:10Aloneaok, I was using that .bat from the wiki and its been working fine all day, but now it crashes every time I try to use. I have tried restarting my computer and downloading a fresh one.
06:19:54bonbonthejonAlonea: what does it do
06:19:56LloreanAlonea: That statement, on its own, doesn't tell any of us much of anything.
06:20:04LloreanAlonea: "the .bat from the wiki" is a very, very vague statement
06:21:59Aloneaoh, sorry. the .bat file for VLC on the wiki that will convert video files. I have been using a program called SmartRIpper to make one .vob and been doing the same for each file and it has worked fine since I started using it. Now when I try the use the .bat file I get the whole windowsVLC media playe rhas encountered a problem...
06:24:13LloreanAlonea: In that case you should be seeking support for VLC, since it's VLC that's having issues.
06:25:04Aloneaah. ok. just seeing if anyone knew. I will just use another program or something.
06:25:17LloreanVLC never did that to me, but I've recently moved to WinFF
06:25:44LloreanIt doesn't have the quirks VLC is (if the video framerate is invalid, it's much more likely to just pick a valid one than wait 10 minutes and then give you a file with no video stream)
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06:27:05AloneaLlorean: well, if it was a framerate problem, would it be doing it after a few minutes or immediately?
06:27:45AloneaLlorean: I did this same file earlier, but I didn't do the sound correctly, so I had to redo it. (2channel is missing from dvd cause dad deleted it.)
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06:28:11LloreanAlonea: No, I wasn't saying it was a framerate issue. That doesn't cause VLC to crash
06:28:29AloneaLlorean: oh, ok. Will try that WinFF then.
06:29:12LloreanAlonea: We've posted some basic presets for it at the PluginMpegplayer page, making encoding with it really easy
06:29:26LloreanAnd if you type in your own values in the empty boxes it'll override those presets.
06:29:54AloneaLlorean: yeah, thats what I am looking at. tried doing the command prompt too and it didn't work either
06:32:46AloneaLlorean: ok, on your WinFF, what framerate do I do 25 or 29.97?
06:33:17LloreanAlonea: If you don't type in one, it'll automatically use the nearest legal one to what your file is.
06:33:24Aloneaok, thanks
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06:33:28LloreanYou shouldn't need to type in anything unless you want to override something
06:33:36Aloneaalrighty
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06:35:16toffe82jhulst: I am here :)
06:35:55AloneaLlorean: oh, I figured out whats wrong...My vob files have more than 2 channels of audio and I don't know how to fix that...
06:36:10jhulsttoffe82: Two hours, not bad ;)
06:36:17LloreanAlonea: In WinFF, in the very bottom window, type "-ac 2" without the "s around it.
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06:36:40jhulstAnyways, I had talked to you earlier about the port for the Zen Vision M and the zif adapter
06:36:59AloneaLlorean: you are awesome. *huggles*
06:37:05jhulstIt seems that our hard drive also uses zif, it just looks like it would be an IDE drive
06:37:40jhulstI was just wondering about your thoughts on the matter, if you had purchased an adapter
06:37:43toffe82It is not with a zif , from the picture I saw it is with a female conector
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06:38:05toffe82hodl on , I check again
06:38:43jhulstthere actually are two hard drives that we know of that are in that device, the Toshiba and a Hitachi
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06:40:38jhulstThis is the other drive that is in it, http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/HD.jpg
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06:42:43toffe82strange thi one is with zif connector, for toshiba, only the reference finishing by 8 are with zif connector
06:43:23toffe82the toshiba on the wiki is a mk3006gal which have a female connector
06:43:23jhulsttoffe82: I know, it seems strange to me, breihanj currently has his ZVM open if you have anything you would like him to look at
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06:43:33breihanjhey
06:43:42breihanjmy camera is not so good
06:43:42toffe82hello
06:43:46breihanji haven't been able to get a good picture
06:44:23breihanjbut i've come across some online, i've got a hitachi
06:44:38toffe82with a zif connector
06:44:38breihanjc4k60-30 with zif connector
06:44:38Lloreanbreihanj: You may have the wrong place, this channel has nothing to do with cameras.
06:44:55breihanj:)
06:45:15jhulstLlorean: he's talking about taking pictures of his Creative Zen
06:45:35toffe82it is the same reference of the zen ?
06:45:48breihanjreference?
06:45:56breihanjit's got this ribbon cable from creative that is attached that goes to the ZVM motherboard
06:46:04breihanjthis is the ZVM 30 gig model
06:46:15breihanji'm not sure how to get the cable off without breaking it
06:46:43toffe82you have to lift the lock of the zif connector if you want to take it of
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06:47:11breihanjyeah, i lifted this piece of metal
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06:47:17toffe82does the zen with the toshiba and the one with the hitachi have the same model number ?
06:47:27breihanjnot sure, i only have the hitachi
06:47:44toffe82jhulst: what model do you have ?
06:47:51jhulstI'll check, from a consumer point of view, they were never told that they were different
06:48:10breihanjthe creative cable goes to a different type of zif port that's on the board
06:48:26breihanji'm assuming that if there are different connectors for different drives, they go to the same style connector on the motherboard
06:48:29toffe82but on the case, there is not a different mark like zen m -xxx
06:48:33breihanjcreative probably has a cable for each drive
06:48:51breihanjmodel no HD0003
06:48:51breihanjhmm
06:49:03breihanjthat sounds suspiciously like hard drive
06:49:10breihanjas in a different model for each drive
06:49:20toffe82and on yours jhulst ?
06:49:22breihanjDVP-HD00003
06:49:30breihanj(my bad, long day)
06:49:52breihanjwow ok, i swear it's right this time. DVP-HD0003
06:49:54jhulstSorry, mine is a DVP-HD0004
06:50:05breihanjthey only had a 30gig and a 60 gig model
06:50:11jhulstmine is the 60 gig
06:50:20breihanjperhaps there are multiple 30gig models
06:51:08toffe82if you want to be able to use your hd outside the zen to copy file, you have to buy the corresponding interface
06:51:11breihanjso i've slid up the lock on the connector, it seems like this cable slides on metal rails of some kind and might be soldered
06:51:21breihanjyeah, i found one at span.com that has the hard drive part number
06:51:43breihanjhttps://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8932&c=102&t=side_right1
06:51:55toffe82for the one with female interface , it is easy just look for external case for toshiba 1.8" , it cost about 10$ on ebay
06:52:36breihanjhttp://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/HD.jpg pretty sure this is the drive in hulst's model
06:53:03breihanji haven't gotten this cable off
06:53:22breihanjdoes it lift up at an angle?
06:53:31breihanjit looks like it might
06:53:33toffe82breihanj: this one is ok but you have to connect it to the ide bus, check this one http://www.iconuk.co.uk/product.asp?strPageHistory=home&numSearchStartRecord=0&P_ID=2834&CAT_ID=0&numRecordPosition=1&numCurrencyID=2
06:53:36breihanji believe it's a female plug
06:53:45breihanjide bus is fine
06:54:05breihanji'm going to run dd on this thing so either ide or usb mass storage works, ide probably works better as long as i don't fry everything :)
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06:55:01breihanjyeah, i've seen that one on a few european sites.. do you recommend that over the ide one?
06:55:55breihanjis there a good way to remove this interface cable?
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06:56:01toffe82I prefer this one so you don't have to open your computer and usb external is generally hot plug so no need to shut down the computer to remove it
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06:56:54breihanjdo all toshiba MK series drives use the same interface as hitachi's zif drives ?
06:56:55toffe82you should have on the connector itself a little lock (black )
06:57:11ptw419i think some may be ide
06:57:15webguest59I need help, my rockbox doesnt go into disk mode, nor is it being seen by my computer. I got an iPod Video, with latest rockbox firmware from site, and I use Mac OS 10.4.9
06:57:15toffe82the zif interface is standard
06:57:24breihanjdo you have a picture you can link me of this lock?
06:57:38breihanji see black plastic on the side of my cable (it's got a white plug so it's easy to see the interface)
06:58:00breihanjit seems like the black plastic is attached to the board somehow
06:58:26toffe82so toshiba and hitachi use the same, the onluy thing is that they are reverse , if the toshiba is connected with the sticker on top, the hitachi would be with sticker on the bottom
06:58:35breihanji folded a metal sliver thing up that was behind my cable's plug
06:58:40breihanjcoming from the side of the board
06:59:08breihanjis there an easy way to know which side my drive goes in
06:59:11breihanj?
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07:00:20webguest59I don't know what happened. This used to work. It worked just fine.
07:00:46webguest59I. Don't. Know. What. To. Do.
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07:01:05ptw419http://cgi.ebay.com/MK4004GAH-40GB-Toshiba-1-8-iPOD-Hard-Drive_W0QQitemZ160100759691QQcategoryZ67839QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
07:01:10toffe82breihanj: what do yhou mean ?
07:01:23breihanjthere's this metal flap thing
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07:02:08toffe82I don't know sorry
07:02:09breihanjthat toshiba drive that ptw419 linked does not use the same interface
07:02:14ptw419thats an ide
07:02:16breihanji have the adapter for that though
07:02:19ptw419this is a zif drive
07:02:20ptw419http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-80GB-1-8-Hard-Drive-MK8009GAH_W0QQitemZ140101277238QQcategoryZ99249QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
07:02:20breihanjgot it from digitalintelligence.com
07:02:26toffe82yes it is the one with female connector
07:02:31ptw419what is the model number of the hd?
07:02:53breihanjthis one is a hitachi travelstar, model c4k60-30
07:03:03breihanjit has the ce (zif) connector
07:03:07breihanjit's a hitachi zif connector though
07:03:09breihanjit's not as wide
07:03:18breihanjand doesn't have those plastic things sticking out on the side
07:03:25toffe82you see on hte picture the zif connector on the top ?
07:03:29breihanjit's a 50 pin
07:03:43breihanjyeah that looks like it
07:03:43ptw419its 1.8?
07:03:51ptw4191.8" i mean?
07:03:58breihanjptw419: correct. apparently there are a bunch of different connectors on 1.8
07:04:05toffe82it is white and there is a black part, this is the lock you just lift the loc
07:04:15toffe82and the cable goes out
07:04:52breihanji have some embarrassingly fuzzy pictures taken with an old digital camera
07:05:08jhulstbreihanj: I don't think your zif connector was a big as the one linked to by ptw419 though is it?
07:05:20jhulstIs there a smaller zif adapter size?
07:05:30breihanjno, it's smaller
07:05:34breihanjit is definitely smaller
07:05:39toffe82no it is standard on the hd 1.8"
07:05:39breihanjand span.com has two adapters for 1.8
07:05:41breihanjone is the ipod size
07:05:45breihanjone is smaller
07:06:35breihanjhttps://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8932&c=102&t=side_right1 versus http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=28_1203&products_id=4267
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07:07:03breihanjok the latter says it's not zif compatible
07:07:06breihanjok
07:07:11breihanjthis thing is about 1 inch long
07:07:19breihanjit's in the middle of the drive
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07:07:27breihanj~3 cm
07:07:51toffe82it is the standard zif interface
07:08:06breihanjit's not the interface ptw419 linked
07:08:16breihanjthat one is a lot wider
07:08:29breihanji would say this one is only about 60% as wide
07:08:54ptw419yeah the one at span http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?c=102&currency=SGD&products_id=8932&t=side_right1 says its compatible for the hitachi model you have
07:09:16ptw419it says in the red print. but you should look for a better one
07:09:38breihanjyeah
07:09:41breihanjhttp://images.tomshardware.com/2006/04/28/small_is_beautiful/hitachi-c4k60-20-bottom.jpg
07:09:52breihanjthat's the same series drive i have
07:10:04breihanjnotice they've got this ribbon cable that goes between the adapter and the drive
07:10:14breihanjbut it's way smaller than the toshiba one
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07:10:45toffe82it is the same
07:11:10breihanjthe "icy box" model is the same connector as the span.com adapter?
07:11:49toffe82i think that the hitachi has the connector on the largest side of the drive and the hitachi on the smaller side
07:12:13breihanji don't see a plastic lock
07:12:36ptw419toffie does this adapter a zif connector? http://cgi.ebay.com/HITACHI-1-8-USB-2-0-HDD-HARD-DISK-DRIVE-CASE-ENCLOSURE_W0QQitemZ140020197540QQihZ004QQcategoryZ41911QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
07:12:50toffe82check were is going the flat cable on the hard drive
07:13:46breihanjthe problem with that link is that many hitachi drives have an ata connector
07:13:54breihanjbut the ones used in consumer electronics have the zif connector
07:14:21breihanjptw419: that specific adapter does not have the right connector
07:14:34toffe82ptw419: this one has a female connector so it should be for an hitachi drive with male connector
07:14:53ptw419ah
07:15:48toffe82to resume : you have 3 type of connector, male (hitachi), female (toshiba, zif (hitachi and toshiba0
07:16:21breihanji definitely have a hitachi zif but i read online that there were different types of zif
07:16:37toffe82where ?
07:16:46jhulstouch $30 shipping alone for the icy box one
07:16:49breihanjnot sure it was reputable
07:17:03breihanjjhulst: from iconuk?
07:17:08jhulstyeah
07:17:20jhulstPlus the $30 for the adapter alone
07:17:23ptw419mine cost $50
07:17:29ptw419w/ shipping
07:17:30toffe82mine 60
07:17:36toffe82with shipping
07:17:36breihanji don't mind swapping ide cables, just nervous about frying/breaking things
07:17:39breihanjhehe
07:17:55breihanji am shipping to texas
07:18:01ptw419same
07:18:06toffe82just never disconnect the hard drive with power on
07:18:16breihanjyeah
07:18:21jhulsttoffe82: So you are pretty sure the icy box one will work for our hard drive?
07:18:51toffe82if it is has the zif yes
07:19:23toffe82you can check the pin out of the zif on the toshiba and on the hitachi, it is the same
07:20:06breihanjdo these cables go in at an angle
07:20:22breihanjit sounds like they go in straight
07:20:23toffe82no
07:20:48breihanjthis one i have looks like it went straight down or at an angle
07:20:55breihanjlike vertically down into a connector
07:20:57breihanjor at an angle
07:21:04breihanjman, this is a really bad description.
07:21:34breihanjthe way this white part of the cable goes into the connector
07:21:43breihanjthere's no way it could fit in straight
07:21:45breihanji think
07:21:50breihanji wish i could get a picture of this
07:21:57toffe82no , the connector is flat , it can not go down, it goes parallel to the board
07:22:12breihanji'm gonna try with the webcam
07:22:31toffe82but once you lift the lock, the cable goes out with no pb
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07:23:38breihanji don't know how to explain it
07:23:45breihanjbut the sides of the plug
07:23:48breihanjspread outward
07:23:50breihanjinside of the connector
07:24:08breihanjwhen i get my cameras close up it turns out too fuzzy to see this
07:25:07ptw419this is for the creative vision M right?
07:25:19jhulstptw419: yes
07:25:22ptw419creativ zen vision i mean
07:25:26breihanjm
07:25:30breihanjZen Vision M
07:25:44ptw419check out this disassembly page
07:25:48ptw419http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/02/how-to-disassemble-the-creative-zen-vision-m.php
07:25:55ptw419maybe it might help you describe it
07:26:36breihanjwow this is a bad graphic
07:26:37breihanjhttp://www.halpus.com/hitachi/Picture4.jpg
07:26:41jhulstptw419: That is a different hard drive then what is in breihanjs player, it almost looks likes that one is an IDE interface
07:26:59ptw419ah
07:27:14breihanjthat is a different drive
07:27:31breihanji definitely don't have pins like that coming out of the board
07:27:44jhulstbreihanj: how long ago did you get your player?
07:27:50breihanjvery recently
07:28:03breihanji bought it in october
07:28:07breihanjoff of amazon
07:28:15breihanjthis was after the 60gig model came out
07:28:50ptw419http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/HD.jpg
07:28:52jhulstI wonder if they changed hard drives when the 60 was released, to standardize them
07:29:00breihanjyes that guy has the same drive
07:29:03breihanjthat's the cable i'm trying to get off
07:29:07ptw419wait thats the W
07:29:08breihanji mean, he has the same series
07:29:13breihanjbut the 60gig rather than the 30
07:29:19breihanjunfortunately, he doesn't have a good pic of the connector
07:29:50toffe82this one is zif connector
07:30:29ptw419this page is talking about the zen vision W
07:30:33ptw419but it uses the same hd
07:30:41breihanjyes, it is the same series hd with the same connector
07:30:46ptw419http://onemansblog.com/2007/01/08/creative-zen-vision-w-teardown/
07:31:00ptw419it also mentions the same zif adapter you were looking at earlier
07:31:02breihanjbut he doesn't say how to remove the creative cable
07:31:43ptw419the flat cable?
07:31:51breihanjyeah
07:32:22ptw419"Step 6) In order to remove the hard drive, peel back the tape covering the ZIF socket and gently unplug it."
07:32:33toffe82are you sure that they are the same model, the board is different ??
07:32:44ptw419usually u pull back the zif connector and hte cable slips out
07:32:52toffe82lift the lock
07:33:25breihanji'm not sure which tape he is referring to
07:34:25breihanji think he's talking about tape over the zif socket on the board, not on the hard drive
07:35:13ptw419it may be in a different place or not there at all, since this hardware is probably different and in a different configuration for this model
07:35:24ptw419but the idea is still the same
07:36:10breihanjdo you have a link to what the connector looks like missing the cable ?
07:36:28toffe82I think that on the board it is not a zif connector
07:37:16breihanjyeah, i mean the one on the board is a different type from on the hard drive
07:37:27breihanjbut by zif i mean it just slides on and off
07:37:40breihanjthe ribbon cable doesn't seem to slide on and off easily from the hd
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07:37:58ptw419http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/cfaxzifdemo/zif_insertion.gif
07:37:59toffe82there is a lock on the zif
07:38:06ptw419animated gif
07:38:23toffe82this one is not the one on the hd
07:38:46ptw419something similar maybe though
07:38:50ptw419?
07:38:53breihanjother than that piece of metal that was blocking the back of the cable
07:38:54toffe82on the one of the hd you have a black part you have to lift up
07:38:58breihanji don't see a lock
07:40:15ptw419toffe would it damage it if they were to gently pull out the cable?
07:40:29breihanjit wouldn't come out
07:40:35breihanjbecause the white piece goes in to the connector
07:40:48breihanji need a better picture
07:41:09breihanjhttp://halpus.com/hitachi/picture5.jpg
07:41:33breihanjthe white part is from the cable
07:41:37breihanjthe black part comes from the hd
07:41:45aliaskbreihanj: Is that from the Zen?
07:41:45breihanjthe white part actually sticks outward inside of the black connector
07:41:56breihanjso it's impossible to pull out, it seems like it must lift up or something
07:42:09breihanjaliask: yes, sorry my camera is really bad and the overhead light in my apartment is out
07:42:24aliaskYeah, I know the connection you are talking about. You're right, it's hard to explain
07:42:44breihanjit's like an inverted d-shape
07:42:57breihanjthe only thing i could think is that it rocks up at an angle or comes straight up
07:43:00jhulstaliask: so what is it, and where do we find an adapter for it? :)
07:43:07breihanjlike a simm back in the day
07:43:14breihanjthat span.com site specifically lists this model
07:43:22breihanjhowever if i can't get the creative cable in and out the point is moot
07:43:51aliaskI thought the Vision: M had a regular drive
07:43:55aliaskLet me open mine up
07:44:14breihanjwhat model do you have on the back
07:44:30breihanjmine says dvp-hd0003
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07:52:02aliaskbreihanj: You're talking about the Zen Vision M right?
07:52:06breihanjcorrect
07:52:15breihanjZen Vision M 30GB model
07:52:20aliaskIf so, the little board that has the weird connector is just an adaptor thing
07:52:34aliaskThe harddrive is a regular pin type
07:52:45breihanjyou don't have model dvp-hd0003 then
07:52:55breihanjwhats it say on the back of your zen case ?
07:53:06breihanjright above the sticker, below the fcc logo?
07:53:08aliaskZen Case or HDD?
07:53:12breihanjzen case
07:53:15breihanjalso
07:53:18breihanjwhich hard drive do you have
07:53:21jhulstaliask: What kind of hard drive do you have? Is it a Toshiba or Hitachi?
07:53:21breihanji'm assuming you have a toshiba
07:53:30jhulstbreihanj: beat me to it
07:53:34aliaskdvp-hd0003
07:53:55breihanjand you have the adapter board
07:53:58breihanjwith a standard cable ?
07:54:04breihanjwell, i mean
07:54:06aliaskToshiba drive
07:54:06breihanjstandard pinout
07:54:14breihanjyeah, i definitely have a hitachi travelstar
07:54:29*breihanj feels the ice burn
07:55:12breihanji wish i could get a good picture of this
07:55:21breihanjit seems like as soon as i zoom in it gets fuzzy
07:55:36aliaskI have lost the cable for my camera :(
07:55:47aliaskI went to go find it but came back empty handed
07:56:23toffe82try a picture from at the max distance to have a clear image
07:58:35breihanji'm gonna put up a couple more pictures but they don't look great
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08:00:00ptw419its a 40pin zif connector
08:00:59breihanjok i got one
08:01:19breihanjhttp://halpus.com/hitachi/Picture11.jpg
08:01:27breihanjit's fuzzy, but can you see how that white part kind of juts out at an angle
08:01:31breihanjinside the black connector?
08:01:41breihanjthere's a metal tab in front of it that i've lifted but the cable doesn't really release with it
08:01:52breihanjhttp://halpus.com/hitachi/Picture7.jpg
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08:03:53toffe82normally zif mean null insertion force, so you should have something which unlock the connector so you can pull out the cable easely
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08:04:20breihanjyeah there must be some way to unlock it
08:04:23aliasktoffe82: It isn't ZIF I don't think.
08:04:25breihanji'm really good at overlooking the obvious
08:04:32breihanjhitachi refers to it as ZIF in their specs
08:04:42aliaskOh are you talking about the other end?
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08:05:46toffe82ok, the connector should be the same as the one on the toshiba, I have one in front off me and there is a lock on it , I lift it and pull out the cable
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08:05:49breihanjthis ribbion cable must come out from the hd before i can plug it into an adapter
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08:10:19breihanjsilly question
08:10:30breihanjdoes the ribbon cable just pull out
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08:10:37breihanjor does the plug comeout too
08:10:46breihanjlike, there is a plug that seems to be at the end of the cable
08:10:59breihanjor does the ribbon pull out and go back in?
08:11:03breihanji'm assuming the plug goes out
08:11:10breihanjwith the cable and that the plug is clamped onto the cable
08:12:16ptw419you said travelstar c4k30?
08:12:30breihanjc4k60-30
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08:12:37breihanjit's a c4k60, 30gig model
08:12:41ptw419i have the data sheet for that hd
08:12:44breihanjwith the CE connector
08:12:49breihanjwhich they say is a hitachi zif
08:12:52toffe82it seems that the zif connector is different on the toshiba
08:13:08ptw419http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/0931DA63CD49990386257061007D29B5/$file/C4K60_Slim_e3.pdf
08:13:10breihanjthe same model is also available with a 44 pin
08:13:13ptw419look at pg 25
08:13:42breihanjyeah
08:13:48breihanjthat's it right there
08:13:55breihanjok
08:13:55ptw419www.jae-connector.com/en
08:13:58breihanjsee that thing in the upper left
08:14:00breihanjof the connector
08:14:03breihanjthat's the metal flap
08:14:04breihanjthat i lfited up
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08:15:00aliaskOh curses.
08:15:16aliaskIt looks like I have broken this Zen
08:15:47ptw419http://www.jae-connector.com/en/pdf/SJ036880.pdf this looks a little complicated
08:16:17breihanjouch
08:17:35ptw419you said that you lifted the metal flap up?
08:17:41breihanjyes i did
08:17:47ptw419and it slid out, but not all the way right?
08:17:53breihanjaliask: which piece?
08:17:56toffe82I think I know
08:18:03breihanjptw419: it's just this metal thing that comes up
08:18:06ptw419ah
08:18:06aliaskIt's acting as if the hdd isn't connected. I might have bend the ZIF cable.
08:18:22ptw419damn that sux aliask
08:18:27breihanjyeah, i've been afraid of doing that
08:18:35aliaskWorst thing is...... it's not mine!
08:18:43breihanjouch
08:18:56breihanjyeah, it's actually part of the metal around the housing of the connector
08:18:59toffe82there is 2 type of zif one as a lock that you lift which is on the opposite side of the cable, the othe one is on the same side of the cable and must be pull out in direction of the cable
08:19:23ptw419it looks on the schematic like you pull something up?
08:19:28ptw419under 1 2 3
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08:20:19toffe82difficult to see
08:22:11breihanji'm testing writing some data to this
08:22:26breihanji don't really get this 1 2 3 thing
08:23:39ptw419on the schematic where its labeled at 1,2, and 3. it right around there it looks like a outlined lever
08:24:06ptw419right below #2
08:24:12breihanji don't see a lever really
08:24:30breihanjit looks like that lever is internal
08:24:34breihanjand has to be pried or something
08:25:05ptw419and the schematic has #3 labeled as an actuator
08:25:51ptw419yeah it might be something different
08:26:18breihanjit looks similar
08:26:25breihanjbut i don't see the actuator mechanism
08:27:33ptw419this look more specific : http://www.jae-connector.com/en/pdf/SJ036881.pdf
08:27:34ptw419?
08:28:57breihanjhmm
08:29:06breihanji can't really see into the drive much
08:29:25breihanjbut i see how the mechanism could unlock and lock
08:29:35breihanjthat would explain why the white cable is doing the inverted d and looks like it can't come out
08:29:51breihanjif the mechanism moved it would lock and unlock and you could just drop the cable in
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08:32:24shoepainteranyone trying to do an m3 or Gigabeat s30
08:32:54breihanji gotta crash for a bit, work in a few hours :(
08:33:02breihanji'll try and hop back in tomorrow
08:33:04ptw419maybe the metal thing is that actuator
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08:33:10breihanjit doesn't seem to be
08:33:33ptw419i'm helping w/ the S30 shoepainter
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08:33:54breihanjalright, take care guys, i'll be back
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08:35:33shoepainterptw419 well i know nothing about programing so I cheer u on
08:35:35toffe82good night
08:35:43shoepaintergood luck
08:36:02shoepaintergood luck and good night
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08:37:28shoepainter<ptw419> quick question I have a c60 is the c30 is ported than the c60 can also be ported at the same time
08:37:37shoepainteri mean s60
08:37:59shoepainterlet me rephrase that
08:38:39ptw419they are the same thing, except the s60 has a 60gig hd
08:39:24shoepainteryeah i got my s60 for 199.99 on ebay Brand New great deals on ebay
08:39:50shoepainterthanks
08:42:00shoepainter<ptw419>hey do u think that the rockbox for the s30 has the potential of being the best rockbox target
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08:43:20shoepainterIam going to sleep now and dream that I have Rockbox on my s60
08:43:26ptw419dunno about the best
08:43:45shoepainterwhats better an Iriver
08:43:47ptw419but if it happens hopfully better than whats on it right now lol
08:44:07shoepainterits a peice of crap right now
08:44:16shoepainterthe battery sucks
08:44:17LloreanIt really depends on what the battery life is like on the S60
08:44:32shoepaintersame as the 30s i bet
08:44:40LloreanWith a stock battery I can get 20 hours in Rockbox in my H120, and it's got a lot more hardware functionality than the Gigabeat.
08:44:54LloreanThe Gigabeat has a big shiny screen, but that's about it.
08:45:11shoepainter20 hours
08:45:16*midgey wishes gigabeat had radio...
08:45:26aliaskThe gigabeat S does.
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08:46:40LloreanThat still leave: Built in Mic, LCD remote, optical in/out, line in recording...
08:46:57aliaskAnd rockbox :)
08:47:00LloreanFor audio purposes I'm still quite fond of the H100 series. :)
08:47:03shoepainterLlorean do you want a cockie
08:47:16LinusNi love the h100 series
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08:47:32ptw419just the fact that it has rockbox on it already makes it better *sigh*
08:47:36midgeyyah, i really like my H300, i just need a new battery and I wish it was slightly smalled
08:47:37LinusN:-)
08:47:39Lloreanshoepainter: My point is that saying something will be the "best" Rockbox target means it's got some very stiff competition to beat, and to most of the people who use Rockbox, a giant color screen isn't going to do it. ;)
08:47:57LloreanOr rather, to most of the people *in here* who use Rockobx
08:48:10midgeyi be willing to give the best target award to the H100 (+RTC)
08:48:14LloreanTo most of the people who use Rockbox, Doom and Rockboy might well be the only noticed features.
08:48:18AloneaLlorean: hey, on WinFF, when you add files, will it put those files in individual files or compile them all together?
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08:48:38LloreanAlonea: If you add like, 5 .avi files, it'll output 5 .mpg files in whatever folder you point it at.
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08:48:51shoepainterthe h100 is olny 4gb
08:49:02Lloreanshoepainter: Do better research, you're wrong.
08:49:06LloreanIt's 10, 15, 20, or 40
08:49:07shoepainterthats like 1% of my music collection
08:49:09AloneaLlorean: ok, good. I want to sleep and just have it convert the rest of these. night all!
08:49:15LloreanAlonea: It's good for that
08:49:22ptw419aliask do you know anything about disassembly and asm?
08:49:40AloneaLlorean: i bet. its almost 2 am...have class in morning.
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08:50:02LinusNshoepainter: my h100 is 40gb
08:50:04aliaskptw419: Not really, I started trying to learn it, but decided it was probably beyond me.
08:50:54shoepaintercorrection: h100 is not olny 4gb
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08:51:09bluebrotherthe h100 was 10GB
08:51:09LinusNin fact you can't find an h100 with less than 10
08:51:16ptw419well then i guess trying to figure out this V update will be some fun ...
08:51:27*bluebrother loves his h120
08:51:32*Llorean loves his h120
08:51:33aliaskptw419: V update?
08:51:52shoepaintercorrection: I did not have sexual relations with that woman
08:51:53GodEater_whole lot of loving of inanimate objects this morning
08:52:09LinusNGodEater: scary, eh?
08:52:27GodEater_yep
08:52:42GodEater_I'm merely affectionate towards mine :)
08:52:50shoepainterinanimate means material things right?
08:52:55ptw419there is a Gigabeat V firmware updater. the Gigabeat V uses the same firmware as the S
08:53:00LloreanInanimate means "doesn't move, or has no animating force"
08:53:18bluebrotherhmm. The harddisk spins ;-)
08:53:30shoepainterthe screen shines
08:53:49bluebrotherhehe
08:54:02bluebrothermaybe it's even shining happier since the player is running Rockbox?
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08:54:26aliaskptw419: There's also the Zen Vision: M updater which uses nk.bin too
08:54:54shoepainterweel you guy do your thing cuz i dont know shit about programming
08:55:37ptw419but i don't think the Zen Vision M uses the same firmware does it?
08:55:53Lloreanptw419: Many players use .mi4 files, but not the same firmware
08:56:07Lloreanptw419: nk.bin is a Windows CE file
08:56:25aliaskptw419: No, but I doubt the V uses the same firmware, only the same firmware type
08:56:30LloreanOr windows embedded.
08:56:49LloreanWhich at least the Gigabeat S, and I would assume V, have their firmware based off of.
08:57:05ptw419well not the exact firmware.
08:57:11ptw419But very very similar
08:57:53shoepaintergoodnight and goodluck
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08:57:57ptw419if you looked at what the V runs and the what the S runs you probably wouldn't know the diff
08:58:39aliaskptw419: But the hardware components, and thus the drivers for them, will be different
08:58:43Lloreanptw419: That just suggests the UI is the same. If you look at what an iPod and an iRiver look like in Rockbox, you wouldn't know the difference either from screenshots alone. :)
08:59:20ptw419true
08:59:49JdGordonanyone know how to get the cwd in a c program?
09:00
09:00:00JdGordonin linux
09:00:04ptw419would it still be worth a shot to analyze the updatr still?
09:00:25GodEater_JdGordon: getcwd()
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09:00:40JdGordoncheers :)
09:00:44JdGordonand clear the console?
09:00:55bluebrotherJdGordon: apropos is a helpful command in that case ;-)
09:00:57Lloreanptw419: As far as I'm concerned, new information is never a bad thing
09:01:05GodEater_tougher - that depends on what the console is
09:01:16JdGordonok, dw then
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09:01:56bluebrotherCtrl-L ;-) (but that's not from a program but the terminal ...)
09:02:15GodEater_JdGordon: there is a clear(), but it's a curses function
09:02:21GodEater_not sure if that's what you need or not
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09:11:33preglowSlasheri: why do we need the ability to kill threads?
09:13:10LinusNi wonder that too
09:13:28pondlifeIs it just for threads to kill themselves?
09:13:35pondlifeThat seems to happen.
09:13:43GodEater_threadseppuku()
09:14:16preglowi can't see the any good reason for that to be in a user build. threads that run do so for a reason
09:14:33scorcheGodEater: but that is only for the honorable ones....we have threadharikari() for the dishonorable threads ;)
09:14:44GodEater_and they should all be well behaved enough not to need killing
09:14:48GodEater_scorche: :)
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09:15:41GodEater_scorche: I think they're the same thing aren't they (wikipedia seems to think so anyway)
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09:17:13scorcheGodEater_: it depends on the area i suppose...
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09:18:52Slasheripreglow: that was just a fancy feature, might not be very useful.. but feel remove that with something better, for example detailed thread statistics
09:19:12scorcheGodEater_: while they dont allude to it in the summary, if you read forward, they mention just the execution as a hara-kiri....but perhaps we should move to PM ;)
09:19:30GodEater_scorche: lets not - it's too gruesome for this time of the morning ;)
09:19:34pondlifelol
09:20:30*pondlife whistles and thinks about thread stats in the sim...
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09:21:44markunSlasheri: I would love to see the amount of time spent in eacht thread (and in idle)
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09:22:07Slasherimarkun: i have thought about that as well, would be quite easy to implement
09:22:20pondlifeBoost % per thread?
09:22:21Slasherihowever, cpu usage is harder because cpu can be boosted at times
09:22:29markunSlasheri: do we have some way of timing that accurate?
09:22:31Slasherithat's difficult to implement
09:22:48JdGordonbut not so easy to display..... remember if we allow the lines to scrol in the debug screen we cant update the thread names properly
09:23:15Slasherimarkun: we can approximate that, it doesn't need to be so exact
09:23:16pondlifeShort and cryptic thread names then
09:23:18*JdGordon thinks changing thread prio is someting which would be nice in the debug screen
09:23:35preglowslasheri: just thinking we should drop fancy features with no good use until the people who are struggling to get the binary size down have succeeded, heh
09:23:52pondlifeJdGordon: Urgh - I'd be happy to view only
09:24:03markunSlasheri: one of the reasons for wanting this feature is because the Gigabeat doesn't boost, so I can't tell how well everything runs.
09:24:12Slasheripreglow: hmm, maybe true. but then the whole debug menu should be drop for normal builds
09:24:47preglowalso a point, heh
09:25:00preglowbut some parts of it are nice for error diagnostics
09:25:02pondlifeI kind of agree, but it can be useful diagnosing user problems
09:25:07pondlife:)
09:25:18preglowkilling a thread doesn't really help with that
09:25:24pondlifeNope
09:25:49Slasheriyou never know :)
09:26:03markunSlasheri: so, do you think you will give this a try when you have some time?
09:26:18Slasherifor example if codec thread would have some problem and it's eating almost all cpu, killing that would help
09:26:32Slasherimarkun: i think so
09:26:52markunok, thanks
09:27:03pondlifeCodec thread shouldn't have such a problem.. and it might make the UI unusable anyway
09:27:08JdGordonSlasheri: this stuff should only be compiled for logf builds imo
09:27:45Slasheripondlife: but any thread could have such an issue. And killing threads one by one, one might be able to debug that better :)
09:28:05SlasheriJdGordon: that sounds better
09:28:18pondlifeIf we have a usable UI, it's good enough just to see the timing perhaps?
09:28:38Slasheriindeed
09:28:39pondlifeKilling threads is surely going to upset other parts of Rockbox
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09:28:59pondlifeQueues will start to overflow all over the place.. :)
09:29:19*pondlife still thinks a queue overflow should panic
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09:29:44*JdGordon thinks he agrees
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09:30:05preglowof course they should
09:30:31preglowjust silently ignoring the condition will do absolutely no good
09:30:42cropHe-he. Threads are killed by pressing SELECT. Isn't it too dangerous? OK, that menu is generally dangerous but SELECT is a natural action...
09:30:45pondlifeWhich is what we currently do IIRC
09:31:17preglowcrop: also a good point...
09:31:27pondlifeLong select, with confirmation?
09:31:35preglowi'd just like the option to be removed
09:31:54preglowthreads in rockbox are too dependent on each other for killing one to make any sense
09:32:25*pondlife imagines new and interesting bug reports
09:32:38croppreglow: at least with confirmation. And possibly some key combination, i.e. not a single key.
09:33:03preglowconfirmation will just eat more valuable space which is better used for other things
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09:33:26preglowif we are ever to get rombox back, we need to let the binary shrinking people do their thing
09:33:37croppreglow: true
09:33:45pondlifeSo just remove the feature.
09:34:02Slasheriremoved from standard builds, now only on logf build
09:34:32croppreglow: yes, killing a thread is dangerous. What does it bring? The possibility to see how RB will react? Pure interest.
09:35:11preglowgoodie
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09:36:03preglowcrop: i'm not saying it won't be fun, just that it wasted space for no gain in other builds ;)
09:36:22preglowbut now it's logf only
09:37:02croppreglow: ok
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09:40:57pondlifeDoes GCC combine multiple bools in a struct into bits within a byte to save memory?
09:41:33pondlifei.e. Would "bool a; bool b; bool c;" use 1 or 3 bytes?
09:42:16preglow3
09:42:24preglowit doesn't bitpack unless you explicitely ask for it to
09:42:33pondlifeAh, maybe we should be doing some of that then.
09:42:45pondlifeOr using a byte and masks.
09:42:57preglowJdGordon: did that commit fix all the plugins that used the old menu api?
09:43:06std|denishello
09:43:13preglowpondlife: to save space, you mean?
09:43:13midgeyno, i didnt touch a few
09:43:16JdGordonpreglow: which?
09:43:43midgeysolitaire, copter, and wormlet i think still need "converting"
09:43:50midgeychopper*
09:43:57preglowmidgey: okies
09:44:14JdGordonmidgey: nice work :) makes menus a bit easier doesnt it :)
09:44:26midgeyit does :)
09:44:47midgeythey still use set_opt() and set_int though...
09:45:02pondlifepreglow: Yes
09:45:06JdGordonthats ok
09:45:08std|denisi found that rockbox sourcecode full of deadlock code :(
09:45:36std|denismaybe not "deadlock", but surely unproof for bad input
09:45:36markunstd|denis: fix it fix it fix it
09:45:53midgeyJdGordon: well, if we ever plan on removing the old menu code completely, that will have to be changed
09:45:57std|denisam i right, that read(..) returns 0 at EOF?
09:46:20preglowpondlife: that'd save space in the struct, sure, but the code that accesses it would be plenty bigger to compensate
09:46:41pondlifeAh, I thought GCC might be clever enough. No mind then.
09:46:45JdGordonmidgey: no, 2 seperate "modules"... the use in the menu is a space saver...
09:46:47preglowpondlife: gcc clever???
09:46:51pondlife:)
09:46:58std|denismarkun: maybe i'm going wrong? :) that's why i want to get clear
09:47:15pondlifeSo it's best to use individual entries for bools?
09:47:23preglowpondlife: for everything
09:47:28midgeyJdGordon: ok
09:47:53preglowpondlife: if we start messing with bitfields and stuff, gcc has to mask out the values it needs when reading and writing, that code will use more space than you gained in the struct itself
09:47:55markunstd|denis: well, maybe you can just fix one of them, show us a patch and ask what we think about it
09:48:02preglowpondlife: there's no clever way to work around that
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09:48:21pondlifepreglow: Thanks. I'm an ASM hacker and have a habit of using one status byte rather than 8 bools... will not do that in Rockbox!
09:48:51preglowthat is, for bools it could be done faster
09:48:56preglowbut not ints or other stuff
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09:49:33pondlifeI prefer not to merge bools into bytes (for readability), but would have done so if it saved overall space.
09:49:46pondlifeDon't want to upset amiconn.
09:51:49preglowdefinitely would have killed some readability for us
09:51:53preglowand probably, knowing gcc, not be smaller
09:52:14*preglow wonders what libtool has to do with nested functions
09:52:21preglowwouldn't making nested funtions static fix that?
09:53:05scorche<jcortega> lh said april 4th (at the latest) was when orgs will be told allocations
09:53:18scorchejust an FYI for those mentors out there ;)
09:54:11midgeypreglow: i didn't try that, mac tends to be weird with certain things
09:54:39midgeythats just what hardeep mentioned on the mailing list, when i enabled nested functions all sorts of bad things happened
09:55:52JdGordonscorche: ? we are told how many students we can accept?
09:56:02JdGordonout of our submissions?
09:56:32pondlifeWell, Google has to control their expenditure :)
09:56:33std|denismarkun: http://pastebin.ca/413247
09:57:28LloreanJdGordon: Yeah, at or before the 4th, we'll be told how many we get to accept
09:57:28scorcheJdGordon: yes
09:57:51scorchethen it is just publically announced ont he 11th
09:58:56JdGordoncool
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09:59:17JdGordonso, I geuss we'll be having a private meeting between them to decide?
10:00
10:00:16scorchewell, i am sure that something like that will happen, but in this case, i am not part of the "we" =/
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10:03:50LloreanJdGordon: What I'd like is for all the Mentors to weigh in on every application.
10:03:56LloreanEven if it means just putting a 0 to say "I don't care"
10:04:35JdGordonIve been doing no comment for the dont care... but your right
10:05:02LloreanA 0 shows us that the score is a case of people actually not being interested, rather than just a case of not having read it yet, or not having done it yet.
10:05:41LinusNpondlife: storing bools as bitmasks tend to increase code space, not save it
10:06:30pondlifeDon't worry, I've been convinced well..
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10:17:59markunstd|denis: I have to go now, will take a look later
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10:30:01tucozbluebrother, hi :)
10:30:21tucozbluebrother, do you remember what the simple solution to get the manual to build on a vanilla ubuntu was?
10:31:20tucozI changed the symling /bin/sh to point to /bin/bash instead of /bin/dash
10:31:24tucozsymlink
10:32:09tucozbut you could set a environment variable in the makefiles to do this as well iirc. Like SHELL=/bin/bash . Am i right?
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10:44:58bluebrothertucoz: hi
10:45:08tucozhi
10:45:37tucozi think the guy with the sokoban changes runs ubuntu so i just wanted to answer him
10:45:42bluebrotherit's SHELL iirc
10:46:56tucozbut i guess we should add the SHELL variable to the Makefiles in any case. Especially since Ubuntu is one of the most popular distributions now
10:47:23bluebrotherthat dash thing can get quite annoying :(
10:47:40bluebrothermaybe I should setup an ubuntu box in a virtual machine and test myself
10:48:00linuxstbDidn't we discuss this in the past and come up with a solution? I just forget what that solution was...
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10:48:02bluebrotherbut the scripts should be dash-safe afaik.
10:48:28bluebrotherI think the solution was "make the scripts not rely on bash"
10:48:47bluebrotherunless they explicitly point to bash
10:49:12tucozit was bash's echo that was the problem i think
10:50:30tucozI think we should add the shell variable to the Makefiles.
10:51:01linuxstbDoes the manual build require Perl?
10:51:26tucozOr could we perhaps do some magic in the configure script? like check for bash?
10:51:46tucozlinuxstb, yes. the credits section, at least, require perl
10:52:03linuxstbThen maybe use perl instead of echo?
10:52:25tucozThe standard rockbox builds also require perl, right?
10:52:42linuxstbYes, I'm sure they do.
10:52:54XavierGranyone feeling to fix the annoying filetype string buffer splash in H100 boot?
10:53:05linuxstbe.g. buildzip.pl - to make the final zip file
10:53:10tucozyep
10:53:15linuxstb(and wpsbuild.pl)
10:53:26tucozthen we do not have to rely on shell, but on perl, and that is better imo
10:53:40XavierGrapps/filetypes.c line 59 (probably needs increasing the #define STRING_BUFFER_SIZE)
10:53:58linuxstbWell, Perl will be slower than a the shell, but IIRC, it's just one place we need to swap echo with perl.
10:53:59bluebrotherwasn't configure perl too?
10:54:09linuxstbNo, configure is a shell script.
10:54:20bluebrotherah, ok. Then I mixed it up
10:54:35*bluebrother starts to remember the issue
10:55:07linuxstbXavierGr: What do you increase it to?
10:55:32preglowoh, how i hate linux audio editors
10:56:29linuxstbXavierGr: I don't understand that code at all - any idea what information it's storing in that buffer?
10:59:58bluebrothersome extension - file icon - viewer mapping
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11:00:03bluebrotherdon't know the details though
11:00:56linuxstbI wonder if it could be allocated from the audio buffer, instead of statically...
11:01:24bluebrothersounds reasonable.
11:01:33lexhey
11:01:46lexdo you have any idea why my rockbox freezes after i reboot it again after the first boot
11:01:51lexit just freezes into the splash screen
11:01:53JdGordonlinuxstb: doing that means you slow down the boot...
11:02:20lexand yes, i'm using the official build
11:02:27tucozbluebrother, linuxstb, i added a bug report http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6919 so that we remember it :)
11:03:40linuxstbJdGordon: Yes, I'm just looking to see where it's called - seems it's in browse_root(), which is called on boot anyway...
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11:05:14JdGordonlinuxstb: browse_root() should actually be split up and then you could call this buffer allocation stuff before auio_init....
11:05:24JdGordonbrowse_root no longer actuallly does that :p
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11:06:46linuxstbYes, shouldn't browse_root be called something like init_browser now?
11:07:05bluebrothertucoz: see my comment on that task :)
11:07:07lexlinuxstb: any idea? :(
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11:07:33linuxstblex: Are you running the very latest build of Rockbox?
11:07:37lexlinuxstb: yes
11:07:40*bluebrother dislikes this "root" in the sources anyway.
11:07:41tucozbluebrother, great :)
11:07:48lexlinuxstb: i had the same problem when i tried it about two weeks ago
11:07:54tucozbut i can't test right now
11:08:01linuxstblex: When did you download Rockbox?
11:08:07lexabout two hours ago
11:08:11linuxstbAnd which URL?
11:08:11bluebrothertucoz: I will try to make it nicer later ... got work to do
11:08:17lexcould it be the bootloader, because it's quite old
11:08:27bluebrother*sic*
11:08:30tucozbluebrother, good.
11:09:19linuxstblex: Yes, it could be the bootloader - you should try upgrading that.
11:09:29lexyeah...
11:09:31lexi'll try it
11:09:54oboJdGordon: I've seen "Save Failed" and "No Partition?" appear a few times - they come from settings_save in apps/settings.c, when the register_ata_idle_func fails - does MAX_ATA_CALLBACKS need to be increased?
11:10:27JdGordoni doubt it...
11:10:45JdGordononly 2 things use that iirc
11:10:52JdGordonsettings_save() and rebuffering
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11:11:40oboJdGordon: and the scrobbler code...
11:12:14JdGordonwhats MAX_ATA_CALLBACKS defined as currently?
11:12:20obo5
11:12:35JdGordonso it should be fine...
11:12:51lexlinuxstb: can i just change the bootloader just with the way it should be installed with
11:12:59lexbecause the bootloader is installed by the old way
11:13:03lexmake_fw i mean
11:13:17Lloreanlex: Yeah, ipodpatcher should work fine.
11:13:21lexgreat
11:13:41oboJdGordon: I don't know what else would cause those 2 messages to appear
11:13:52lexLlorean: but how can i install loader 2, because i like that more :o
11:14:59JdGordonobo: Ill try to look later, busy doing assignments atm
11:15:27Lloreanlex: Use iPodPatcher's advanced functions. ipodpatcher −−help in a terminal window, you want to add a binary bootloader I believe.
11:15:38lexyeah, i just found that part
11:15:51lexand the last question, where to find a compiled new loader 2? :)
11:15:53oboJdGordon: no worries - thanks!
11:16:16lexfound it
11:16:46lexi just realized one thing... :(
11:16:51lexi'm at school and i can't access cmd here
11:17:22scorchedid they also block command.com?
11:17:29scorche(a lot of admins forget that one too)
11:17:40lexyes they did :(
11:17:50Lloreanlex: Questions about where to find loader2 should never really be asked here anyway, it's not our software.
11:18:19lexyes :<
11:18:31lexbut it's just so much better but
11:18:37lexis rockbox's loader gonna be graphical some day?
11:18:46linuxstbNo, it's now completely silent.
11:18:52lexor is it just to boot rockbox, because you don't support apple os? :o
11:19:08linuxstbJust turn the hold switch on when you're booting to start appleos.
11:19:20linuxstbIt's really not that hard...
11:19:23lexscorche: yay
11:19:36lexscorche: it worked, i thought it wouldn't, thanks :p
11:19:43Lloreanlex: The Rockbox loader's job is to get you into Rockbox as quickly and silently as possible.
11:19:52lexyeah
11:20:03Lloreanlex: But it also supports loading iPL and Apple OS
11:20:05scorchelex: next time dont just dismiss me with a supposed "yes" ;)
11:20:24lex:p
11:20:25Lloreanlinuxstb: Did you have any idea what's causing that 10fps file to play back extra fast?
11:20:43linuxstbNot yet... Something odd is happening though.
11:22:48lexscorche: but i can't access the ipod, permission denied :(
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11:23:19scorchelex: you win some, you lose some...we could go into it further, but this really isnt the place for it
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11:23:26linuxstblex: Yes, you need admin writes to run ipodpatcher.
11:23:30lexi see
11:23:32linuxstbs/writes/rights/
11:23:38lexmaybe i'll just need to do it at home
11:24:53Stalwarti have problems with latest build for nano
11:24:57Stalwartit hangs a lot
11:25:27Stalwartah, there are updates available...
11:25:31*Stalwart updates
11:27:56Lloreanlinuxstb: WinFF seems to be simple enough that I just pointed a couple people from the anythingbutipod forums at it, and they managed to use it.
11:28:27Stalwartwhat's up with nano? it hangs a lot when using database
11:28:32Stalwartmultithreading issue?
11:30:15Stalwartlatest build has choppy gui ;[
11:30:45Stalwartgo go rockbox team!
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11:34:35markunStalwart: people were complaining that the UI was too slick, so we slowed it down a bit :)
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11:43:15Stalwartmarkun: did they also complain about buggy volume control?
11:44:16LloreanStalwart: You're running the latest official build, not a daily?
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11:45:54markunStalwart: nah, I have no idea what's wrong with the UI and volume control. Did both work fine before?
11:49:52StalwartLlorean: i take builds from http://build.rockbox.org/
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11:50:12Stalwartmarkun: volume control is buggy for a while already
11:50:28Stalwartit may adjust volume, it may not, it may be choppy or smooth...
11:51:12Stalwarti heard it's multicore targets problem, but afaik multicore is disabled in current build, but volume control is still buggy
11:51:37Stalwarti saw sansa 250 in shop today - looks nice ;)
11:53:14lachlanhey Godeater, any progress with the linux rbutil?
11:53:31lachlanGodEater*
11:54:07Stalwartwhat's rbutil?
11:54:20solexx_Is there a way to tell which rockbox image (RAM, ROM, disk) I am running?
11:54:45solexx_(iriver h120)
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11:56:23lachlanStalwart: it is a program for installing and updating Rockbox accross the various targets
11:56:48lachlanI think it has some other functions as well, although I'm not aware of them
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11:57:41BigBambiKeymap question: I want to switch select and power on the gigabeat as they are swapped compared to the H1x0 and thus confuse me (i.e. on H1x0 navi goes to filetree, and play/pause plays/pauses, but on gigabeat select plays/pauses and power goes to file tree).
11:58:07BigBambiI've found the place in the keymap file, but do I just change the middle section, i.e. button_select | button_rel?
11:58:12BigBambiOr is there more
11:58:14XavierGrlinuxstb: 620 I think will cover sims and H100 with rvf added to viewers.config (maybe less without rvf which isn't added on svn)
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11:59:43Stalwartlachlan: it's gui or commandline?
11:59:58Stalwarti have little experience in PyQt4 coding
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12:00:09linuxstbXavierGr: I think I would like to investigate making the allocation dynamic - so we don't have this problem again.
12:00:14lachlanIts GUI and also cross platform
12:00:49solexxNevermind, I noticed the boot menu tells you whether it could boot from the selected entry.
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12:02:59BigBambiWould changing e.g. { ACTION_WPS_PLAY, BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_SELECT }, to { ACTION_WPS_PLAY, BUTTON_POWER|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_POWER }, be correct?
12:03:48LinusNguess so
12:03:58LinusNBigBambi: fiy, that has annoyed me too :-)
12:04:06LinusNfyi, even
12:04:33BigBambiHaha :) It's beacuse the buttons are almost in the same place but do the opposite thing. So instead of getting annoyed I've decided to fix it!
12:05:32BigBambiWhat I'm not sure about in the keymap is what the third item in the line does - the keymap file says prereq button code, but I don't know what that means!
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12:08:18JdGordonBigBambi: thats the button code which must have been the one before the middle column or that action wont be triggered...
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12:09:55BigBambiJdGordon: OK. So why does ACTION_WPS_PLAY require that select has been the last button pressed before pressing select (for instance)
12:09:56XavierGrlinuxstb: fine by me, I just checked out the error cause it pops up on every boot
12:10:29BigBambi(just curious!)
12:11:55JdGordonBigBambi: it requires SELECT before SELECT|REL because witout it, that action would be triggered when select is released after a long press... which isnt wanted
12:12:27LloreanJdGordon: That reminds me, long-press of Power on the gigabeat seems to do the same thing as Right or Select in the filetree
12:12:37LloreanJdGordon: on release, that is.
12:12:54markunLlorean: quite anoying :)
12:12:57LloreanJdGordon: It's rare that you release it, since it would normally shut down the player, but at the moment it's also mapped Power+Up/Down for pageup/pagedown
12:13:10BigBambiaha - thanks very much, that makes sense. Anyway, as I am just swapping two buttons I'll just copy what is already there :) I'll also stick a patch up for any others who are annoyed by the inconsistency between gigabeat and H1x0
12:13:13LloreanSo when you page to a file, on release, you activate the file
12:16:04JdGordonLlorean: most probably because of what i just explained :p
12:16:13JdGordonfix the prereq and you should be set
12:16:36LloreanJdGordon: Release of play should never invoke a file no matter what comes before it. :-P
12:16:40JdGordonanyone know how the enigma machine works? I need to code it up, but my uni website is down :'(
12:16:42LloreanErr, release of Power
12:17:01*JdGordon points Llorean to apps/keymaps/keymap-gigabeat.c
12:17:42LloreanFine, fine. If nobody's done it by the time I've slept and can think clearly, and somebody reminds me, I'll try to knock out a slightly nicer keymap for the gigabeat.
12:17:56linuxstbI'm not sure how the gigabeat and h1x0 can be consistent - the h1x0 has PLAY/PAUSE/POWER, STOP and A-B, the gigabeat has POWER, MENU and A....
12:18:02LloreanAnyone mind if I try to make the button behaviour slightly more similar to the H100/iPod equivalent buttons?
12:18:32Lloreanlinuxstb: Power is Stop on the H120
12:18:49linuxstbIt is?
12:18:52LloreanYup
12:19:06BigBambilinuxstb: the buttons are in the same place though, and so it is much more natural to use the same ones
12:19:12LloreanSo you have Power=Stop, A=Play/Pause, and Menu=A-B
12:19:14markunwell, just switch A and POWER and I will be a lot happier already
12:19:28BigBambiI don't think select is any more natural to use select for pause than power
12:19:38markunBigBambi: I think that's just lazynes in your part to get used to a different button layout :)
12:19:40BigBambiand it is only in the WPS that the two are swapped relative to the H1x0
12:19:48Lloreanmarkun: That's mainly my suggestion. Switching A and Power, and making "A" resume playback, and the center of the cross take you out of the WPS when you tap it.
12:20:02markunLlorean: I don't agree with that last change
12:20:06linuxstbLlorean: "stop" seems to work as "stop" on my h1x0
12:20:14Lloreanlinuxstb: Yes, and hold it down for 4 seconds
12:20:21BigBambimarkun: :) I use both gigabeat and H1x0, and having two targets with almost identical button layout but different buttons doing different things is annoyong
12:20:26BigBambibrb: fire alarm
12:20:36Lloreanmarkun: The H100 and the iPod use the "Select" button to get rid of the WPS so you see the filetree again.
12:20:39markunI think it works pretty well as a pause button
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12:20:46linuxstbLlorean: Ah, you mean "stop is power"...
12:21:01Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah, right, yes.
12:21:04markunLlorean: well, it's obviously not a H100 or iPod :)
12:21:24Lloreanmarkun: Yeah, but it confuses users moving from one to the other. There's the same number of "buttons", but buttons work differently when you change screens.
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12:21:25markunBigBambi: I don't use my H120 so much anymore, maybe that's why I don't notice the problem
12:21:58markunI think the H100 button layout would have been different if the PLAY button wasn't called PLAY..
12:22:08LloreanThe center of the cross is the same as "Navi" during the filetree, but the same as Play/Pause during the WPS, if you came from an H100
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12:23:14markunLlorean: well, it will be equally anoying for people who are used to the OF
12:24:00linuxstbmarkun: Then they can complain to Toshiba... ;)
12:24:19BigBambimarkun: It isn't ideal anyway, but personally I prefer consistency across rb targets where possible
12:24:29markunBigBambi: I don't :)
12:24:30XavierGrtoo bad my F40 isn't here yet
12:24:36XavierGrthen I could have a word on that
12:24:48BigBambiAnd given the similarity of buttons between gigabeat and H1x0 (whatever the labelling) I'd like them to be the same
12:24:57BigBambibut as I say, I'll change them for my local copy
12:24:59markunBigBambi: I think it's nice to have 1 button to switch to and from the WPS
12:25:20BigBambimarkun: I agree, but the same button on different platforms
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12:25:41BigBambibtw: Fire alarm was a false alarm, but working in a chemistry department you can't be sure :)
12:25:48XavierGrwell as an H100 user I would like my new toy to have around the same keymaps with H100 but I can understand that this might come to personal preferecne
12:26:30BigBambiXavierGr: If you like me are using H1x0 then gigabeat I gurantee you will find it annoying, especially as they are only swapped in some places, not all
12:26:49Lloreanmarkun: I just don't see the benefit of mimicing the original firmware. "Play" resumes playback. It makes sense that it invokes the WPS when it does this
12:26:56XavierGrmarkun: so the center buttons doesn't select or bring the context menu?
12:26:57LloreanSo, it should also invoke the WPS if playback is already running.
12:27:07LloreanAnd it should resume playback if the WPS is running, but music is paused
12:27:19BigBambiLlorean: completely agree :)
12:27:19markunLlorean: yes, I agree that it's logical for the H1xx
12:27:33BigBambimarkun: it is also logical for gigabeat imo
12:27:51markunbut the Gigabeat doesn't have a play button
12:27:58XavierGrI will have to agree that it will be a bit akward for H100 users at least to have the same button to do different things on both targets
12:28:04Lloreanmarkun: Yes, but that doesn't mean we can't just make the A button be "Play"
12:28:08markunIt's not the same button
12:28:16Lloreanmarkun: Just because you're lacking a button labelled "Play" doesn't mean it can't do the function.
12:28:28BigBambiSo why not at least be consistent with which one it is as llorean said. Whichever button you choose as play, make it at least self consistent
12:28:50Lloreanmarkun: Why is it beneficial to have the gigabeat be contrary to most of the other software codec targets?
12:29:18markunI just think it's a good button layout, regardless of what the other targets do
12:29:18LloreanIt could just be that I'm missing your point as to why it should be that way
12:29:46markunI think it's strange to leave the WPS with select and enter it again with A
12:29:50BigBambimarkun - it'd be equally good with power and select swapped in the wps and would be consistent with other targets
12:29:55Lloreanmarkun: And I don't think it's a good one. So, that's preference vs. preference. Now bring out objective reasoning.
12:30:37Lloreanmarkun: Leaving the WPS with select allows you to insert/queue songs starting from the WPS without ever removing your thumb from the cross.
12:30:43XavierGrllorean do you have a gigeabeat?
12:30:47LloreanXavierGr: Yes
12:31:01Lloreanmarkun: It makes navigation significantly easier one-handed.
12:31:04XavierGrthen I guess you know what you are talking about those keymaps :P
12:31:27LloreanXavierGr: I had to learn a new keymap by experimentation when I first picked up the gigabeat because it was different from the other swcodecs.
12:31:41LloreanThere aren't many differences, but they're just significant enough to cause a small amount of confusion at first.
12:31:54XavierGryes It would have been pretty strange if you are used to the other targets
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12:33:02BigBambiLlorean, XavierGr, markun As I use both gigabeat and H1x0 regularly it still confuses me :)
12:33:23markunbtw, the cross center used to bring you to the browser from the WPS, but we changed it :)
12:33:34BigBambimarkun: it should be changed back
12:33:37BigBambiimo
12:33:55Lloreanmarkun: That was before you were in SVN/CVS though, right?
12:34:01markunprobably
12:34:12LloreanI don't remember seeing a commit on that, at least.
12:34:19LloreanAnd I know it's been that way since I got my gigabeat.
12:34:36LloreanSo, really, it was a bunch of people who were primarily used to the original firmware who chose this.
12:34:40XavierGrhmm I thought that center button goes from wps to browser now too
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12:34:50LloreanXavierGr: Not on Gigabeat.
12:35:08markunXavierGr: there is pauses playback
12:35:21XavierGrah so it IS inconsistent with the other targets... :P
12:35:28BigBambiXavierGr: that is what causes my confusion - whilst in WPS centre of cross and power are swapped
12:35:33LloreanXavierGr: There's no question that it's not inconsistent
12:35:41LloreanIt's just a question of whether that inconsistency is a good thing or a bad thing
12:35:51XavierGrah yes I would be completely confused by that keymap
12:36:11BigBambiXavierGr: :) I'm just doing a patch for it I'll point you too
12:36:37XavierGrwell a new comer without other rockboxed devices experience wouldn't notice the difference but a heavy rockbox user will be daunted by it
12:36:55XavierGrBigBambi: thanks, but I don't have my F40 yet :P
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12:37:24BigBambiThat is when I figure out the how to use diff :)
12:37:30XavierGrheh
12:37:35Lloreanmarkun: I also like having Pause be mapped to something that I can feel for in my pocket without accidentally changing the volume, seeking, or skipping tracks.
12:37:43LloreanFinding the center of the cross, I can easily trigger those on accident.
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12:38:48markunah, maybe you guys are right..
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12:39:21BigBambimarkun: you know we are :)
12:39:24markunor.. I can just keep reverting the commit until I loose my commit rights :)
12:39:30XavierGrmarkun: do you have an H100?
12:39:34markunXavierGr: yes
12:39:36markunH120
12:39:46XavierGrand how do you cope with the both of these keymaps?
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12:40:06XavierGrdon't you get confused by it?
12:40:28JdGordonanyone know what the purpose of filetypes.c is?
12:41:00markunXavierGr: I didn't use my iriver for quite a while after we had sound on the Gigabeat
12:41:01XavierGrto store supported filetypes on viewers.config and know which files are under which category I guess
12:41:16XavierGr(like supported, music etc)
12:42:04XavierGrmarkun: try to use your H100 after all this time and then you might see what Llorean and BigBambi say about it
12:42:15LloreanXavierGr: It's really not that confusing, overall
12:42:36LloreanBut I think the benefits of keeping it consistent are real, plus as I mentioned, right now feeling blindly for a pause button can have bad side effects.
12:42:44BigBambiIt's OK, but I have to think about it. I press the wrong button, think, oh damn, then do it right
12:42:46XavierGrwell I would find myself pausing instead of going to browser after all this time with my H100
12:42:59BigBambiXavierGr: Yeah, I still do it all the time
12:43:06XavierGrthen curse a bit and then press the right button :)
12:43:10LloreanXavierGr: I did that for about the first week, and still do every now and then.
12:43:32XavierGrI still curse when I cancel settings by pressing left heh
12:43:57markunLlorean: btw, I was thinking that the side buttons don't need to be disabled with HOLD on, what do you think?
12:44:13markunThey are pretty hard to press
12:44:17Lloreanmarkun: I think all buttons should be disabled with hold on, as that's a common expectation of hold.
12:44:42Lloreanmarkun: Though I've lately been thinking that some targets could have a choice for hold
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12:45:06Lloreanmarkun: Like, Gigabeat could be "All, Cross, None", and the Sansa could be "All, All but center, None"
12:45:23markunbtw, could the person updating the keymap also add volume control to the other screens?
12:45:48markunLlorean: Yes, something like that sounds good
12:46:19Lloreanmarkun: It definitely needs to default to "all", because most users are going to think something is broken if Hold doesn't hold all buttons, and file bug reports without checking the manual. :)
12:46:54LloreanBut on targets where hold is a software feature, I don't really see why it shouldn't be a _little_ bit flexible.
12:47:03BigBambiOK, very simple to line patch to swap power and select in the WPS http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6920
12:47:07BigBambito/two
12:47:26BigBambiHopefully (it is my first ever and is likely to have loads of wrong line endings etc!)
12:48:32markunBigBambi: I think you will be anoyed by the A/POWER swap..
12:48:44LloreanBigBambi: I nothing's happened with it by the time I'm able to look at it this afternoon, I'll try to adapt it to have everything behave as I'd like/expect it (fix the page scrolling, maybe try to do the volume thing, etc)
12:48:45BigBambiMarkun: hugely
12:48:46JdGordonif a struct is only used in a single .c, should its definition be in that file? or in the .h?
12:48:57BigBambimarkun: feel free :)
12:49:21markunBigBambi: which button would you like to have as a stop button? Menu?
12:49:43MoosLlorean: we have already the "hold for keep backlight"...
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12:50:32BigBambiMarkun: that be the same in terms of position as the H1x0, but the names might then be confusing to new users (not having menu as menu). I think with power and select the names don't do what they say anyway, so it doesn't matter
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12:51:18LloreanBigBambi: I think "Power" should do what "Stop" does on H120, center of cross should be "Navi", and 'A' should do what "Play/Pause" does on H120. Menu is, of course, A-B. :)
12:51:24BigBambiPersonally yes, I'd have menu as stop, but i'm not so worried about that. I could probably even get used to power and select being swapped if they weren't only different in some places not all
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12:51:56BigBambiLlorean: I wouldn't mind that too much - as I said it is they doing different things in some places and the same in others that really gets me
12:52:02BigBambithey/the
12:52:26*JdGordon just noticed he has been hacking rockbox for over a year now :)
12:52:29LloreanBigBambi: I think with that layout, it's reasonably truthful to what the buttons are labelled, and then you just make them function consistently on all screens.
12:52:43LloreanJdGordon: Yeah, I was startled when I noticed I'd been with the project over a year.
12:52:45markunLlorean: I think a-b should be used for the a-b feature on the h1xx ;)
12:52:51MoosJdGordon: congrates and happy burthday :)
12:52:54JdGordonhehe
12:52:58BigBambiLlorean: I'd certainly prefer the consistency across buttons rather than the exact same layout if I had to chose
12:53:13BigBambichose/choose
12:53:31LloreanBigBambi: Yeah, I'm not a fan of "the layout needs to be the same, damn the labels", the consistency is more important, and I think buttons with clear labels like Power and Menu need to do that when they can.
12:53:39BigBambiLlorean: So your plan would be OK by me :)
12:53:56BigBambiLlorean: Now you have my permission, feel free :)
12:54:18LloreanBigBambi: As I said, this afternoon, assuming that what's in my brain now lasts through sleep, whenever it comes.
12:55:02Nico_PLlorean: about your custom hold idea... I like it but first I'd like to ask what would a "none" choice bring ?
12:55:19Nico_Pand second I had a patch that did the same kind of thing with the backlignt on the H300
12:55:26LloreanNico_P: "none" would be my sleep deprived brain automatically pairing something with "All"
12:55:37Nico_P:)
12:55:45MoosNico_P: this is already possible on X5
12:55:47LloreanI'm mildly ill, and unable to sleep. :)
12:55:50Moosnote on h3xx?
12:56:05Nico_PThe custom backlight patch was very popular with custom builds
12:56:05LloreanMoos: I think he means that with hold on, certain buttons would turn the backlight on without doing their function.
12:56:21Moosah, more complexe then :)
12:56:26Nico_PMoos, Llorean: No, it made some keys trigger the backlight and some other not
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12:56:44LloreanNico_P: Ah, I was close. :) I assume it was often "Volume doesn't trigger backlight"?
12:56:47BigBambiLlorean: Well, whenever you get a minute :) I look forward to a more consistent gigabeat keymap :)
12:57:00Nico_PLlorean: that's it, as well as track changes
12:57:22Nico_Pand NAVI and A-B triggered the backlight
12:57:49Nico_PI loved it on my H300 but since I have the gigabeat I'm not maintaining it anymore
12:57:53MoosNico_P: but finish your WPS tokenizer first! :p, what is the state? SVN material?
12:58:02Nico_PMoos: almost :)
12:58:16Nico_Pthe latest version is on the tracker
12:58:16*JdGordon starting to feel very violent against whoever started the filetypes.c file :p
12:58:58MoosNico_P: goodie
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13:00:48Nico_Pthere are still a few small issues left and it probably needs a few fixes for the archos player
13:05:17JdGordondoes anyone know what filetype_get_attr() is expected to return?
13:06:00JdGordon /* get the "dynamic" attribute for an extension */ ??
13:06:40Nico_PJdGordon: let me find it
13:06:54JdGordonfiletypes.c..
13:07:03JdGordonis it the index for the type into one of the structs?
13:07:20Nico_PI think it returns on of TREE_ATTR_MPA or TREE_ATTR_...
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13:07:39Nico_P(defined in tree.h)
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13:08:28*JdGordon doesnt understand this line...
13:08:31JdGordon((((unsigned long)exttypes[i].type -
13:08:32JdGordon (unsigned long)&filetypes[0]) /
13:08:32JdGordon sizeof(struct file_type)) << 8)
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13:09:09Nico_PI agree it's very weird
13:09:46JdGordon.cfg returns 1024 :p
13:09:54JdGordonnow to figure out how that == 1024!
13:10:13JdGordonTREE_ATTR_CFG
13:11:03Nico_Pwohoo :)
13:11:31Nico_Pwhat a strange way of doing this
13:12:04*JdGordon thinking about dummping that whole file and starting over :p
13:12:14JdGordononce /me figues out what it actually does
13:13:07Nico_Pthat could be a good idea
13:13:12JdGordonAH! i got it :)
13:13:23JdGordonit sort of is the index...
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13:14:09JdGordonits TREE_ATTR_CUE + extension index into viewers.config...
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13:15:59JdGordonlinuxstb: your definatly happy to put this init stuff in the audio buffer?
13:17:08JdGordonNico_P: looking through the code, I tihnk the skip_whitespace calls in cuesheet should be replaced by looping with isspace()...
13:17:11AceNiki just fully setup cygwin & the source , but when i enter "svn status" it says "svn: warning '.' not a workin copy" , wat can i do here
13:17:22JdGordonwhat folder are you in?
13:18:22AceNikthe local user like it shows my name in cygwin
13:19:02AceNikmyname@my computer name
13:19:37JdGordontype cwd
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13:19:41JdGordonpwd even
13:19:57JdGordonyour not in the rockbox source dir....
13:20:11JdGordoncd rockbox<tab>
13:20:20JdGordonthen <enter>
13:20:54AceNikk then
13:22:17AceNiki also tried the ../tools/configure thing , then i chose my model , n then "N" , but it showed warning "arm gcc " some path not found n stuff
13:22:33Nico_PJdGordon: you're right about isspace
13:22:37Nico_Pi'll do that a bit later
13:23:25AceNiki got "status" & "up" working now
13:23:26Nico_Pgot to go
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13:25:25AceNikwarning the compiler you must use <arm-elf-gcc> is not in your path
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13:28:41AceNikcan any one help me with compiling
13:30:06AceNikis any one there
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13:37:30AceNikcan anyone help me with compiling
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13:38:41JdGordondid anyone know that somefile-ext.rock would automatically register that plugin for .ext files?
13:39:15AceNikwhen i did ../tools/configure , & then finally selected my model & build type , it showed warning : <arm-elf-gcc> not found
13:39:23markunJdGordon: I didn't
13:39:46JdGordonno pugins use it do they? I tihnk its ok to remove to save some space.. yeah?
13:43:36AceNikcan omeone help me on this
13:43:45AceNikwhen i did ../tools/configure , & then finally selected my model & build type , it showed warning : <arm-elf-gcc> not found
13:44:00JdGordonyou havnt set your path correctly...
13:44:14JdGordonor installed the arm gcc module...
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13:44:24JdGordonre read the cygwin instructions....
13:45:55AceNiki did many times , & i have installed arm gcc , it was done by cygwins automated setup , but how do i confirm the path
13:47:18JdGordon$ printenv PATH
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13:49:28cropHas there been any talk about the codecs for guitar pro (.gp3, .gp4) or guitar tab (.gtp)?
13:49:54AceNiknow how do i change this path & what shoul it show
13:50:47cropThere are some open source projects that are able to read .gp4.
13:52:31JdGordonAceNik: step 4 (iirc) in the cygwin setup instructions...
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13:54:35AceNikya i have that page open but dont know which file to open to edit or something , like where do i ad that line , in whih file
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14:01:19PaulJamHi little question: did the commit that enabled the manual rating require a rebuild of the database?
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14:11:19webguest98rock with sound
14:11:29webguest98rockbox
14:12:22webguest98how to put rockbox on sansa e250 ?
14:12:47BigBambiwebguest98: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
14:13:20webguest98hanks
14:13:23BigBambinp
14:13:24webguest98thanks
14:14:51AceNikwhich file to edit the path in for cygwin
14:17:01ptw419.bashrc
14:17:38ptw419you mean $PATH?
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14:22:48AceNikwell i typed ../tools/configure & then ultimately get an error saying warning <arm-elf-gcc> pth not found can someone help me on this
14:28:01AceNikwell i typed ../tools/configure & then ultimately get an error saying warning <arm-elf-gcc> pth not found can someone help me on this
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14:32:39PaulJamWhat is the IRC nick of Robert Kukla?
14:32:50bluebrotherroolku
14:32:59PaulJamthank you
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14:35:06JdGordonspeak of the devil :p
14:35:26bluebrotherwhat devil?
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14:36:11bluebrotheroh. Missed that join action ;-)
14:38:18PaulJamroolku: it would be nice if you could mention it in the commit message if your change requires a rebuild of the database next time, so people can export their runtime info before updating.
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14:38:26roolkuPaulJam: regarding the manual rating - yes, it requires a rebuild. But since the version number of the datafiles has changed that sould be automatic
14:39:51roolkuPaulJam: Yes, I see the problem. Sorry. Unfortunately Zagor hasn't enabled the feature to edit comit messages.
14:40:20bluebrotherroolku: sure? With cvs it was possible modifying commit messages.
14:40:24TrueJournalsSo that's what happened? I synced right after I updated and thought "Wow! Rockbox knows when I sync my music" :-p
14:40:43roolkubluebrother: when I try I get an error message from the svn server
14:40:58bluebrotherI would be surprised if that is a feature that needs explicitly to get turned on or has been disabled
14:41:22bluebrotherwell, Zagor should know the answer ;-)
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14:43:50webguest98how to dual boat sansa ?
14:43:59roolkubluebrother: the error message is: Repository has not been enabled to accept revision propchanges; ask the administrator to create a pre-revprop-change hook
14:44:55bluebrotherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install#How_to_Boot_Original_Firmware_OF
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15:01:16Slasheriroolku: if structures version change, new code can't read the old format and export the db
15:06:21roolkuSlasheri: yes I understand this, my first reply was only concerning the rebuild
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15:07:56roolkuSlasheri: the messages at 13:37 coincided
15:08:30AceNikguys why is there an error with the arm-elf-gcc
15:08:52*Bagder starts his mind reading machine to figure it out
15:09:38Bagderoh no, it crashed. sorry, can't help you today if you don't provide at least some hints or details
15:10:00JdGordonAceNik: ive told you 3 times.... yyou havnt set your path correctly... it explains it very clearly in the instructions....
15:11:33bluebrotherAceNik: there is an error because there is an error. Plain and simple
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15:13:59AceNiki dont know in which file to edit the path sorry guys im new at this , i tried reinstalling everythin , which file to edit the path in ?
15:15:19JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di
15:15:34JdGordon[21:52] <JdGordon> AceNik: step 4 (iirc) in the cygwin setup instructions...
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15:17:53spiorfhi, it's normal that some files (like mpegplayer.rock) are missing in archived daily builds?
15:18:09JdGordonit is if they failed to build...
15:18:29JdGordon... or are not built for the target your downloading the archive for....
15:18:41spiorfno, it bust be the first one
15:18:45spiorf*must
15:19:23spiorfit's ipod nano, and it used to work
15:19:30AceNik<JdGordon>ok i hav edited the file this time , finally got it thanks for bearing with me, can i edit the main page of the cygwin instructions jut to make it more clearer
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15:19:49JdGordonyou need a wiki account
15:20:47spiorfanyway, this can only mean that you guys are working on it
15:22:59Bagderspiorf: missing?
15:23:26spiorfBagder, yeah
15:24:08BagderI can see how the nano package got ~600 K smaller on March 18...
15:24:20spiorfi checked this one http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano/rockbox-ipodnano-20070326.zip
15:25:43spiorfin fact the march 18 package has mpegplayer
15:26:11AceNikthanks JdGordan ill keep experimenting now , only if someone coul make the \etc\profile path thing more clearer on that page it woul be better
15:26:47spiorfthis confused me for some days because when overwriting the .rockbox folder in my ipod the mpegplayer.rock was not "downgraded"
15:27:06spiorfand it told me "incompatible version"
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15:31:33AceNikok now it says make file created , but when i say make , it says " no targets specified & no make file found"
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15:32:37webguest20what video support does rockbox sansa have ?
15:32:44pondlifeHmm, I've got something *really* odd happening in front of me here.
15:32:57bluebrotherpondlife: it has a blue light? ;-)
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15:33:16pondlifeNo sadly. I have a sim with a playlist of 20000 entries, and it has played through to 172 of 20000....
15:33:29pondlifeThen it goes to track 10081 of 20000
15:33:32webguest20video support ?
15:33:56pondlifeI can skip back and forward happily, what happened to 173-10080?
15:34:22bluebrotherwebguest20: read the wiki
15:34:49bluebrotherpondlife: I guess it's not an issue with unaccessible files or broken file types?
15:34:56pondlifeShouldn't be
15:35:00bluebrotherwebguest20: PluginMpegplayer
15:35:05pondlifeI just generated a new database
15:35:32pondlifeHmm the playlist viewer has (ERR) in front of the missing track names.
15:35:49pondlifeSo I guess it thinks they are inaccessible for some reason.
15:36:09bluebrotherbroken symlinks?
15:36:24pondlifeNo. I can access them fine from Explorer...
15:36:56pondlifeNo symlink in use either... I modded my build to have another "archos" path.
15:36:57Slasheripondlife: they might be just "unplayable" as well
15:37:15pondlifeI don't think so, I've certainly listened to some of them before..
15:37:17Luciano90Hi there. I'm having problems with my Ipod 5.5G. I've tried 3 different bootloader with 4 different install guides, and none bootloader has been able to boot neither Apple OS nor Rockbox. I've used some guides found in google, and the rockbox one. Tried the rockbox loader and nothing, none system boots. Also tryed Loader2, and can't get it working. I've copy correctly the folders to the iPod, i have .rockbox there. When I used Loader2
15:37:18Slasherifor example metadata could not be parsed
15:37:31bluebrotherLuciano90: is it a 80GB version?
15:37:34Luciano90Yes
15:37:48bluebrotherread the frontpage. What does it tell regarding the 5.5G 80GB?
15:38:23Luciano90Oh, didn't see that
15:38:35*bluebrother sighs
15:38:40pondlifeHmm, stopping and restarting the sim resolved it...
15:38:44Luciano90Ok thanks, I thought that I saw at a forum that someone get it working
15:38:54AceNikok now it says make file created , but when i say make , it says " no targets specified & no make file found"
15:39:06bluebrotherit's been worked on, but it's not working officially in any way.
15:39:29*bluebrother throws his crystal ball to the wall
15:39:46bluebrotherahhh, this silence :D
15:40:12Luciano90So, no matter what I can try... it wont boot?
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15:40:13*JdGordon puts money on AceNik not running ../tools/configure
15:40:38*JdGordon is getting irritated with the tree drawing code
15:40:57JdGordonstupid thing is putting the dir icon instead of no icon for unsupported files :'(
15:41:09bluebrotherLuciano90: it won't work. It's not supported.
15:41:09pondlifeI noticed that in the past
15:41:14Luciano90Ok
15:41:15Luciano90Thanks
15:41:16Luciano90bye!!
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15:41:31JdGordonpondlife: brand spanking new code... it shouldnt be doing that :'(
15:41:35bluebrothertoo late to mention the new ports forums ...
15:41:50pondlifeAh, well I noticed it in other places.... no icon -> dir icon
15:41:58pondlifeMight be in the icon code?
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15:42:39JdGordonpossibly..
15:42:40markunbluebrother: and I think you could have told webguest20 the name of the PluginMpegplayer wiki page..
15:42:56JdGordonalthough, im returning NOICON which is going straight to the drawing code.. so it should be working
15:43:23AceNik<JdGordon>c i did run ../tools/configure selected 14 as for my H10[20GB], then selected N for normal , it said created make file , n there are no errors , then when i said make , it shows "no target selected , or no make file found:"
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15:44:52bluebrothermarkun: I did ... short after my first hint
15:45:12bluebrotherdon't know if I was clear enough though.
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15:47:42markunah, sorry :)
15:47:46markunI didn't see it
15:48:08markunthere I go again without properly reading the logs..
15:48:56bluebrotherbut it might be that I'm a bit short worded today :D
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15:49:15bluebrothertoday is somewhat annoying :(
15:49:59AceNik<JdGordon>c i did run ../tools/configure selected 14 as for my H10[20GB], then selected N for normal , it said created make file , n there are no errors , then when i said make , it shows "no target selected , or no make file found:"
15:50:57bluebrotherAceNik: you're repeating yourself
15:51:34AceNiksorry it just that i have come so far i am a little excited to just make the damn think compile , so sorry
15:54:12GodEater_AceNik: why are you trying to compile it yourself ?
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15:56:49AceNik<GodEater>cause i want to include some patches , i made a WPS, base on angryman's build , but want to add ome more patches, & alo would love to use my C & C++ Somewhere , rockbox i a good thing to learn i feel
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15:58:02GodEater_AceNik: setting up a dev environment following our guide is not a difficult task. If you're struggling with it, then (to be blunt) I doubt you'll be able to do much of anything with the code...
15:58:32bluebrotherAceNik: you should never try to do everything at once in the first try. Get a standard build running first
15:59:40*JdGordon hates makeing idiot mistakes in the code :'(
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16:00:00AceNik<God Eater>well atleast it worth a try, sorry if im troubling you guy , but i dont have or kno of any Indian following up with rockbox , otherwise i would have approached them
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16:00:34GodEater_AceNik: you're not troubling me - I'm just thinking you're trying to run before you can walk...
16:01:12AceNik<bluebrother> that what im planning to do , making a standard build fromt eh svn for the H10 [20GB] the problem i the make command gives an error "no target specified"
16:02:11webguest53how to play videos on rockbox ???
16:02:20markunwebguest53: depends on the target
16:02:26markunon the Gigabeat pretty well
16:02:40markunah "how TO", sorry
16:02:56markunwebguest53: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
16:03:11JdGordonAceNik: pastebin the output of tools/configure
16:04:26markunwebguest53: still there?
16:04:33AceNikshoul i paste the whole thing here
16:04:45markunAceNik: no, use a pastebin site
16:05:00markunand paste the URL here
16:05:17GodEater_http://pastebin.ca/
16:06:51*JdGordon hopes to have a green delta commit shortly :)
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16:07:02GodEater_JdGordon: famous last words ;)
16:07:52JdGordonwell, ive dropped a 800+ line file down to 200...
16:08:16GodEater_that's pretty good going
16:08:30GodEater_have we lost 600 lines of functionality ? ;)
16:08:37markunJdGordon: I'm proud of you :)
16:08:56JdGordonat the expense of < 2kb of ram...
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16:09:14AceNik<JdGordon>http://pastebin.ca/413503
16:09:48Nico_PJdGordon: filetypes.c ?
16:09:58GodEater_AceNik: I see a problem straight away, you have a space in your home directory name
16:10:04AceNik<Godeater><markun> thanks
16:10:10JdGordonNico_P: yep
16:10:22markunAceNik: this looks strange: ../tools/configure: line 566: cd: /home/Nikkhil: No such file or directory
16:10:39JdGordonAceNik: also, i tihn your in the wrong folder...
16:11:21markunJdGordon: which folder should he be in?
16:11:29markunlooks fine to me
16:11:32GodEater_JdGordon: that looks right to me
16:11:42AceNikWat do i do then ?
16:11:43*JdGordon looks again....
16:11:47GodEater_I just think it's because his /home/<username> folder has a space in it
16:11:53GodEater_and our configure script doesn't like it
16:12:05markunprobably
16:12:06AceNikso Do i chane my username ?
16:12:14markunAceNik: or we fix the script :)
16:12:18JdGordon2kb off the h100 bin size :)
16:12:23GodEater_AceNik: you could just try moving the whole rockbox folder structure to /tmp
16:12:28GodEater_and compile from in there
16:12:46InsectoidAlso, AceNik, you might want to install ccache.
16:13:16GodEater_Insectoid: one step at a time!
16:13:23AceNikwhat im doing now is changing my computer username & then running from /Nikkhil
16:13:59markunAceNik: can you edit tools/configure and put quotes around the arguments of the 'cd' commands?
16:14:06GodEater_AceNik: I'd have done what I suggested first, it's a bit less drastic
16:15:11AceNikso you want me to move the rockbox folder or mu username folder to /tmp
16:15:31AceNik& then wouldnt i have to change some psths to compile from there
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16:15:59Jimmy79Morning folks - anyone awake enouigh to answer a question :)
16:16:13InsectoidWe can try.
16:16:35InsectoidAceNik, the rockbox folder. mv rockbox /tmp from your home dir.
16:16:35GodEater_AceNik: do this : "cd ~ && mv rockbox /tmp && cd/tmp/rockbox/build"
16:16:40markunJimmy79: it's day time in europe, so many rockboxers are awake
16:16:56Jimmy79Ok - I've been playing with Rockbox for a couple days now. One of the features I really wanted was the zoomable photo reader. I've found though that it in some situations it will zoom once.. others as much as I want
16:17:09AceNikok ill try
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16:17:15Jimmy79I can't figure out why it won't consistantly zoom in deeper.
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16:17:32MikeSethuhhh
16:17:36markunJimmy79: it will only zoom until the resolution of the image
16:17:36GodEater_AceNik: do this : "cd ~ && mv rockbox /tmp && cd /tmp/rockbox/build" <−− space in the last cd command
16:17:46AceNik<Jimmy 79> press the pause button
16:17:54Jimmy79markun - these are fairly large images.
16:17:57MikeSethI installed rockbox on my sansa e280.. it crashed with "data abort". Now, how do I turn the player off?
16:17:59markunJimmy79: so for a 1600x1200 image you can zoom more than for a 640x240 for example
16:18:23markunJimmy79: maybe you cannot zoom more when the RAM is being used by the audio player..
16:18:35GodEater_it never ceases to amaze me the people that install rockbox for "feature X" rather than the music!
16:18:38perl|work"resume" bug is still there
16:19:23Jimmy79markun: That's what I was thinking (the ram) - how can I go about dumping that info so I can use the zoom?
16:19:34markunJimmy79: stopping audio playback
16:19:38Jimmy79GodEater: Well the music is there too, gotta love the OGG support.
16:20:00perl|workpressing "power" (gigabeat) to resume right after turning on the player locks it up (on random basis)
16:20:08*markun doesn't find it strange at all that people use rockbox for other things than just music
16:20:21Jimmy79mark: playback is off... the image is 1000x1500 - and it's only zooming once
16:20:23roolkuJdGordon: just curious - is the onplay menu going to stay with the old API or is this work in progress
16:20:23markunit's a nice replacement firmware and much more flexible than any OF I know
16:20:29MikeSethcome on! please tell me there's a magic interrupt that can be triggered with a key to shut the player down? cuz I can't turn it off! :D
16:20:39perl|workmarkun ever encountered it?
16:20:51JdGordonroolku: it will be moved across... just not sure when
16:21:00markunperl|work: no, I don't think I have
16:21:09Jimmy79Yet I've had situations where it will zoom (on the same image) much deeper. It's really strange.
16:21:24perl|workmarkun maybe cause my active playlist is like 400+ tracks...
16:21:28markunJimmy79: I have no clue what it could be. Sounds like a bug.
16:21:50markunperl|work: mine are usually about 12 tracks
16:21:57roolkuJdGordon: okie, the rating stuff could be done more elegantly as an int setting then (I think)
16:21:58Jimmy79mark: It does it does - I guess best bet is to report it...
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16:22:17markunJimmy79: do you have the skills to figure out what is causing it?
16:22:48markunJimmy79: it might not be random at all. Try to find out if you can somehow reproduce it.
16:22:55Jimmy79That's what I've been trying to do
16:23:00markunah :)
16:23:04MikeSethsorry guys.. false alarm
16:23:17Jimmy79If I can figure out what feature/function ALLOWS for it to work.. then I'm golden.
16:23:18markunIf you reboot the player and look at the image before doing anything else?
16:23:32Jimmy79Tried before - we'll try it again right now just for the sake of argument.
16:23:48markunsometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't?
16:23:57markunsounds unlikely
16:23:58JdGordonlinuxstb: ping?
16:24:10Jimmy79I had a period yesterday where I could look at them - now I can't.. I agree it sounds unlikely which is why I'm so confused =)
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16:24:38Jimmy79post reboot - I can deeper zoom. Interesting.
16:24:43perl|workwhy not resizing all the pictures to the resolution of your player's screen before putting them on the player anyway? :P
16:24:53markunJimmy79: ok, that's a start
16:24:56Jimmy79perl: They have words =) And there are a lot of them.
16:25:04Jimmy79mark: I think part of it is the ram issue, as I was listening to a fairly large podcast
16:25:25markunJimmy79: you told me it didn't only happen with audio playing, right?
16:25:29perl|workJimmy79 so its a scan of a book? :P
16:25:33Jimmy79perl: comics ;)
16:25:46AceNik<GodEater> i have the rockbox folder in tmp now wat
16:25:46perl|workgotcha
16:25:55markunAceNik: now try again
16:26:06MikeSethumm
16:26:13Jimmy79mark: correct - but I can't say whether or not that was after I had loaded stuff into ram, unloaded, etc.
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16:26:23AceNikok
16:26:25Jimmy79Going to try and load up a song and do it now. Small first.
16:26:59MikeSethany of you here worked on e200 DAC code? the wiki says that currently the quality of playback is worse than the original firmware. On my e280 it is not true but there are clicks, and stereo seems to be jumping
16:27:12Jimmy79ok - loading the song stops the zoom.
16:27:21GodEater_MikeSeth: you're saying the original firmware is WORSE than that??? jesus.
16:27:23Jimmy79seems it's probably a ram ish
16:27:40Jimmy79perl: I thought it would be nice to read my comics on the pod too - I'm multifunctional like that =)
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16:28:18markunJimmy79: yes, that's a normal and known limitation of the jpegviewer
16:28:19perl|workJimmy79 yeah id zoom into comics rather than anything else
16:28:22MikeSethGodEater_: it sounded worse than my cheapass chinese S1 player when I bought it. Mangled treble frequencies terribly, the sound was ostensibly muffled even when I bought panasonic earcaps
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16:28:42GodEater_MikeSeth: I'd have taken it back in that case.
16:28:57Jimmy79And now - having stopped the song - going back - it doesn't zoom in... so situation defined. Thanks for the help
16:29:03MikeSethGodEater_: no, the device is awesome, and the chip it runs on seems to be kick-ass
16:29:15MikeSethits just that Sandisk screwed up
16:29:16markunJimmy79: the plugins only have a limited amount of ram available, and if no audio is playing they can steal the audiobuffer if they need more
16:29:21GodEater_MikeSeth: your definition of "awesome" and mine seem different...
16:29:28Jimmy79Understood.
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16:30:07Jimmy79And these are fairly high res scans... dropping them down would help... just tedious :)
16:30:58Jimmy79And I'd lose all that fantastic Frank Miller detail (currently reading sin city)
16:31:26markunJimmy79: it would be nice if plugins could steal some RAM from the audio buffer even if audio was playing, but that adds a lot of complexity to rockbox
16:31:44AceNik<godeater> <markun> it seems to have agin openen up in my username folder
16:32:14Jimmy79markun: There's always tomorrow's rebuild. I have faith in you real programmer types. heh, thanks for the help though.
16:32:40GodEater_AceNik: pastebin it again
16:32:43markunAceNik: let me check the script
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16:32:55GodEater_or let markun fix it ;)
16:33:28markunGodEater_: I can't find the problem
16:33:30GodEater_markun: while you're there, fix all those backticks!
16:34:06GodEater_markun: oh - I can
16:34:12GodEater_markun: I'll patch
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16:34:14GodEater_hang on
16:34:17AceNik<markun>when i open the cywin program it shows : "my username@ my computername", how do i get it to load the tmp folder
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16:34:36markunAceNik: with the 'cd' command you just go to the other dir
16:34:47AceNikcant tried it
16:34:52markunwhy not?
16:35:09markuncan't you do something like /tmp/rockbox/build ?
16:35:18markuneh "cd /tmp/rockbox/build"
16:35:25*markun never used cygwin
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16:35:50AceNiknopes cause cywin opens up in cygwin/home/username/rockbox
16:36:04AceNikso i cant go back to the tmp folder
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16:37:07AceNikshould i change my username then ?
16:37:25GodEater_markun: patched - I'm just testing
16:37:31AceNikbut i tri4ed that in control panel it stil show my surname i removed my surname
16:38:07GodEater_AceNik: that's a bunch of crap, "cd \tmp" in cygwin works fine - assuming the directory exists
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16:38:31GodEater_"cd /tmp" even
16:39:09GodEater_crap - I have to run for an appointment
16:40:18AceNikhttp://pastebin.ca/413543
16:40:18MikeSethOk. Rockbox works with e280, but not stable enough :(
16:41:13markunAceNik: you forgot a space between "cd" and "/tmp"
16:41:29markunbut I don't have time to help right now
16:41:40AceNiku c i have tried doin cd separately before
16:41:55markun"cd tmp" is not the same as "cd /tmp"
16:42:20markun"cd tmp" is "cd /" and then "cd tmp"
16:42:26markuneh..
16:42:28markun"cd /tmp" is "cd /" and then "cd tmp"
16:42:29AceNikk ill try somthin out , but its still not working , ill restart my computer chane the username & try
16:42:43markunAceNik: ok, good luck
16:42:46markunmaybe someone else can help you
16:43:19AceNikok wait i got it
16:43:35insectoidAceNik, if you like, you could let me or someone login to the box and try to make it work.
16:44:20AceNikbingo its orking now i hope its ompiling , thank markun
16:45:13markunJdGordon: still fixing some things before commiting?
16:45:19AceNik<markun>thanks a lot buddy its workin & compiling , now all i need to do is tommorow update & learn how to add patches
16:45:45JdGordonmarkun: yeah, had 4 empty functions... which ive finished and they seem to have put the delta to +2k :'(
16:45:49AceNik<markun>so this means ill have to always just use the /tmp folder
16:45:52markunAceNik: good you made it. The configure script should be fixed so you can build it from your home dir.
16:46:29markunJdGordon: ok, then I'm not so proud of you anymore :)
16:46:36JdGordonhaha
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16:46:50JdGordonbut i did cut the code in half.... that counts for something doesnt it?? :'(
16:47:24markunyou cut it in half in what way?
16:47:34markunby adding some macros? :)
16:47:41JdGordonhaha... no!
16:47:46JdGordondidnt add a single 1
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16:48:16AceNikok bye have fun coding , orry for the trouble
16:49:02JdGordonoh fark :p i was checking against the wrong build :p
16:49:10JdGordonyep, still about 1k under then :D
16:49:33JdGordon~1400b even
16:50:41markunAceNik: don't worry
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16:52:48markunJdGordon: ok, I'll just wait for your commit :)
16:53:52JdGordonim putting it on FS first... it uses more RAM than svn so it might not be worth the commit...
16:54:01JdGordonactually... i havnt checked how much more it uses..
16:56:46JdGordonuses 1100bytes more ram than svn...
16:56:51JdGordondoes that matter?
16:57:06markunwhat are you working on?
16:57:20markunbetter put it on FS I would say
16:58:20JdGordondoing
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16:58:28insectoidIs anyone using the latest svn with an Ipod 5g? I'm getting a distinct lack of audio playback, but I'm trying to determine if it's something I've done.
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17:00:39Nico_PJdGordon: I'm not sure anyone really cares about 1k more in RAM...
17:01:04Nico_Pespecially when there's 1k less in binsize
17:01:15JdGordonjust being safe...
17:01:31JdGordonI could probably fiddle more but then the bin increases a bit...
17:04:23JdGordonlinuxstb: (and everyone else).... FS #6922
17:07:38***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
17:07:51Nico_PJdGordon: can't you test that HWCODEC part on the sim ?
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17:08:24JdGordonI _could_.... :p
17:09:16markunJdGordon: great name.. changes.patch :)
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17:12:10bluebrotherJdGordon seems to like confusing names like that ;-)
17:12:23jmsbwtr_hey, i have a problem... after installing rockbox, it worked for a day, and then when i came to it tomorrow, it said the battery was dead, so when i got home i tried charging it, but it wouldnt charge
17:12:33jmsbwtr_now it doesnt charge, doesnt turn on and doesnt reset, any ideas?
17:12:34JdGordonbluebrother: confusing? it says exaclty what it is :)
17:12:45bluebrotherno, it only says you changed something.
17:12:57bluebrotherwhich I assume you did anyway as you created a patch ;-)
17:13:11bluebrotherjmsbwtr_: what player, how are you charging?
17:13:30jmsbwtr_iPod mini, charging via usb
17:13:40jmsbwtr_or at least, tryinmg to charge
17:13:48bluebrotherand how does it "not charge"?
17:14:11jmsbwtr_there is no charging logo, and ive left it plugged in all day and it still wont turn on
17:14:16desowinjmsbwtr_: try to reboot it
17:14:24jmsbwtr_if i press enough buttons randomly eventually i can get the battery flat logo
17:14:34jmsbwtr_i have tried rebooting it...
17:14:43desowinjmsbwtr_: I got the battery with ! logo
17:14:58desowinthen just select hol, remove hold and press select+menu
17:15:06desowinso far it fixes the problem
17:15:11desowinI've got mini aswell
17:15:22Nico_PJdGordon: thanks for clearing 1400 bytes because that's approx. what I'm going to need for the tokenizer :(
17:15:49JdGordonhaha no problem :)
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17:15:53bluebrotherNico_P: but he only moved that bytes to the audio buffer ...
17:16:02jmsbwtr_desowin: if i do that, i get the flat battery logo, and then everything dissapears, so I've plugged it into usb but no charging logo
17:16:19Nico_Pbluebrother: it seems to me that bin size is a more scarce resource than RAM ATM
17:16:23jmsbwtr_i did that this morning and it's been plugged in all day, so if it had charged it should be done! at least enough to turn on!
17:16:34bluebrotherRAM is also an issue for the archos models
17:16:48JdGordonram will be maybe half as bad on archos...
17:16:55Nico_Pbluebrother: damn archos models :)
17:17:02Nico_PJdGordon: what do you mean ?
17:17:17JdGordonthey only use 48 of te structs instead of 72...
17:17:44Nico_Pok
17:17:47desowinjmsbwtr_: try rebooting, if that won't help - your battery is dead
17:18:19jmsbwtr_what i cant figure out is why the battery went flat when the ipod had 93% the night before and was completely dead the next day
17:18:30markunJdGordon: do we have 72 filetypes?
17:18:36jmsbwtr_i dont think the battery is dead because ive had no problems with it at all with the apple firmware :s
17:18:45JdGordonmarkun: dunno... we have more than 64 though
17:19:04markunwow
17:19:07JdGordonand this doesnt handle repeated extensions seperatly
17:19:16bluebrotherwasn't that #define smaller on archos builds?
17:19:33JdGordonno, it was 48 for them...
17:19:34desowinjmsbwtr_: try to reboot and go into diagnostic or original firmware
17:21:04jmsbwtr_ahh, i think it must have just been a very dead battery, when i tried restarting it with the usb cable plugged in it went to the charging logo, thanks desowin for the help
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17:30:29GodEater_markun: you still here ?
17:31:52tri170391I have just make a ipod nano build at about 23:00 PM (GMT+7) and after i update that build, the ipod sometimes crash at boot, sometimes crash after about 10 minutes, what the problem guys?
17:32:11markunGodEater_: yes
17:32:17GodEater_I have a patch for configure
17:32:27GodEater_it works with directories that include spaces in their names
17:32:31GodEater_shall I Flyspray it ?
17:32:58markunI just tried with a dir with spaces in it and didn't have a problem with the current version
17:33:07markunstrange
17:33:17markunsure, flyspray it
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17:34:13GodEater_FS #6923
17:34:36GodEater_markun: the issue I think is when the parent directory has a space in it's name.
17:34:41GodEater_not sure if that's what you tried
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17:34:59markunI made a symlink to my rockbox dir called "should not work"
17:35:07tri170391and when i intend to download current build, ipod nano got 2 warnings. Is that ok to update?
17:35:22GodEater_markun: yeah - I think your symlink should have been the directory above that
17:35:27markunok
17:36:34markunGodEater_: no, the problem is the symlink :)
17:36:56GodEater_markun: I just reverted my patch and tried with this -> /tmp/temp\ dir/rockbox - and that fails as with AceNik's issue
17:37:01GodEater_my patch fixes that
17:37:19GodEater_or "/tmp/temp dir/rockbox" if you prefer :)
17:38:16perl|workmarkun i wonder why people experiencing long boot times on gigabeats
17:38:40perl|worki never had such problem since we have sound on gigabeats
17:39:11GodEater_perl|work: I don't suffer it either. I think it may be bad fragmentation combined with dircache issues.
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17:39:34perl|workyeah i think their hdd's is the key here
17:39:41markunperl|work: me neither
17:40:03markunas long as the people who could fix it don't have the problem it's not easy to track it down..
17:40:30toffe82I have a long boot time , but it is because I have the resume playback on at boot
17:41:26toffe82the boot itself is fast but there is a message "loading" which stay é or 3 second before the main screen
17:41:34toffe822 or 2 ^^
17:41:39markunanoying
17:41:53toffe82doyou have the option on at boot ?
17:41:58markunno
17:42:12GodEater_toffe82: I have that option on - I don't call 2/3 seconds "long" though
17:42:21GodEater_some of the complaints in the forums are for minute long pauses
17:42:56toffe82it looks like the dircache problem I had a few weeks ago
17:43:18GodEater_is the dircache held in nvram ?
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17:43:37markunnvram?
17:43:37toffe82too much files, and the dircache take time to build
17:44:08GodEater_er, nvram.bin, or somesuch file name
17:44:50GodEater_yeah .rockbox/nvram.bin
17:45:12GodEater_I assume it's in there somewhere, as there's no other place I could see that looks obvious
17:45:15toffe82but it was not minutes, perhaps 30 seconds to 1 mn max with 80000 files and at the end the dir cache was not created
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17:48:58GodEater_I recall the conversation
17:48:59GodEater_:)
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17:50:45perl|workyes, one minute is definitely not OK
17:50:54perl|worknor 30 seconds
17:51:42toffe82perhaps we should recommend not using the dircache if the drive is used as external hard drive, if you have only song, depend on the compression but you have like 10000 songs in 40gb (if I am wrong , tell me :) )
17:52:23GodEater_it would be nice to just publish the limit at which dircache goes wrong
17:52:46toffe8280000 is definitively wrong :)
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17:55:31GodEater_we can categorically state that using dircache with 80,000 files is a bad idea :)
17:56:07toffe82the doc say max 36000 I think
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17:57:22toffe82or somebody mentionned it
17:57:39GodEater_36,000 seems a bit random
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18:00:27GodEater_hmm. I could have sworn the use of backticks was discouraged these days. I can't find where I read that now though - so perhaps that bit of my patch to configure should be ignored.
18:01:24Bagderwell they are, but older sh versions may not support the construct $()
18:01:55GodEater_could you refresh my memory as to *why* they're considered bad though. I can't find a single reference to it with google
18:02:01GodEater_only I'm sure I didn't dream it
18:02:07Bagderthey can't be nested
18:02:12GodEater_ah
18:02:14Bagderthat's at least the main reason to me
18:02:23GodEater_so obvious
18:03:15pondlifeBackticks? As in // ?
18:03:26GodEater_no backticks as in ``
18:03:32pondlifeAh
18:03:38GodEater_I'll resubmit that patch then
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18:04:46GodEater_there - that's better
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18:05:50GodEater_fairly trivial patch, but clearly required by some people.
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18:39:15Nico_PBagder: I just saw your mentoring suggestions... Isn't there a mentor who knows the playback code ?
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18:39:32Bagdernope
18:39:46TylerMhi all - tried out rockbox last week... neat stuff
18:39:51Bagderbbl
18:40:04TylerMBut i'm a bit stuck right now trying to restore original system
18:40:05Nico_PBagder: pity... couldn't those who know it be forced to apply as mentors ? :)
18:40:07TylerMon ipod video
18:40:26BagderNico_P: feel free to try ;-)
18:40:36Nico_Pwill do
18:42:09TylerMI erased the rockbox files but now my ipod only shows apple logo when starting... and doesn't boot :[
18:42:16TylerMany pointers... trying to find more FAQ info on this
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18:45:46*TylerM is now reading http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2539.0;prev_next=next
18:46:32TylerMhhmm.. but it looks like my battery is dead :)
18:46:44*TylerM tries CPR ;)
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18:48:33jhulstTylerM: Have you tried this? http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
18:48:39jhulstSection 2.6
18:48:52bluebrotherTylerM: did you uninstall the bootloader?
18:49:03TylerMhi bluebrother
18:49:09TylerMdefinitely not
18:49:17TylerM:[
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18:49:26JazzisHow is the progress on the white "screen of death" problem on the Sansa. Also the problem where first 2-3 lines of the LCD screen allways has screen artifacts. Is anyone having any luck fixing these problems?
18:49:39TylerMbluebrother: if i go into disk mod i should then be able to fix that eh?
18:49:43TylerMmode
18:49:53TylerMjust waiting for sufficient battery recharge now :)
18:50:03bluebrotheruninstall the bootloader the same way you installed it
18:50:04Nico_Ppondlife: please apply as a mentor ! :)
18:50:16TylerMbluebrother: gotcha - that was the piece that I was missing - thx
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18:51:20Nico_Ppondlife: and i'm sure you have a vote, as you're a committer
18:51:23TylerMbatteries suck
18:51:59TylerMso do wires... i have more wireless devices than ever and even more wires hanging off my desk now :)
18:54:07pondlifeNico_P: I'd like to, but I really don't have time.
18:54:19pondlifeI couldn't do it justice.
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18:54:46Nico_Ppondlife: pity... who else knows the playback engine well apart from lostlogic ? I doubt he has time either
18:54:50pondlifeI also don't have a device that runs Rockbox at the moment, which is a bit odd for a mentor.
18:55:06pondlifejhMikeS?
18:55:39pondlifeHe knows more about the output side of playback than I do. And lostlogic knows much more about the buffering side than I do too.
18:55:49amiconnhrrmmm
18:55:54Nico_Ppondlife: yeah, I should try to pressure him in applying as a mentor...
18:56:05*amiconn wonders when Slasheri will fix the nasty yellow
18:56:09Nico_Pthough lostlogic could have been of great help
18:56:15pondlifeI'm always happy to attempt answering questions..
18:56:23*jhMikeS is wondering if all frequency scalable targets can do frequencies in between normal and max
18:56:34Nico_Ppondlife: there probably will be a lot :)
18:56:47pondlifeI can't guarentee the correct answers though ;)
18:56:57pondlifeOr how to spell guarantee
18:57:08amiconnjhMikeS: Why would you need that?
18:57:16*jhMikeS is hoping this low latency thing isn't dead before it starts
18:57:27pondlifeNoooooo!
18:57:40hcsthat'd be the appropriate death for it
18:57:47amiconnAt least coldfire and pp can. Couldfire should stay restricted to integer multiples of the base, because of the timer prescaling
18:57:50hcsrather than one you'd have to wait for
18:57:57pondlifelol
18:58:04jhMikeSamiconn: because, with that tiny buffer and a high dsp load, and perhaps a low codec load, we'd be bouncing back and forth rapidly between it being empty and full boosting/unboosting at a rapid rate
18:58:06pondlifeDies in ms, not seconds
18:58:09Nico_PjhMikeS: could you explain what low latency is ? and also what do you think of applying as a mentor for the MoB project ?
18:58:39amiconnHmm, the output should never need to boost imho
18:58:46pondlifeI was just thinking that.
18:58:57pondlifeThe boost should be already covered, no?
18:59:08jhMikeSNico_P: It means nearly all DSP operations would be applied just before output. Instant response to settings changes and other changes.
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18:59:32Nico_Pah, nice
18:59:38pondlifeThink of alternative uses for low latency too - guitar effects box or even that wacky fax/modem !!
18:59:44jhMikeSI was thinking CPUFREQ_NORMAL could be variable and it gets set at a speed the just lets that buffer drain slowly
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19:00:02jhMikeSpondlife: can be done in a plugin already
19:00:23pondlifeYes, but it should be able to go through the same interface surely?
19:00:30jhMikeSI'm not sure that with a full load, boost won't sometimes be needed
19:00:54jhMikeSpondlife: you mean putting all that throught the core DSP?
19:01:42pondlifeYes, I'd think for voice support it would need to go into the mixer, say.... but I'm taking it to extremes here.
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19:01:46jhMikeSNico_P: not sure about the GSoC thing. I don't thing I've got time. I'm pushing things already just to code stuff.
19:01:58jhMikeSvoice always get's boost though
19:02:12pondlifeYes, but in the voice codec, not at output.
19:02:13Nico_PjhMikeS: ok
19:02:20pondlifeOR does output do it too?!
19:02:34pondlifeThe playback monolith must die!
19:02:42jhMikeSIf the time permitted I would in a second
19:03:12insectoidInteresting idea −− maybe a bit odd. but how about along side the talk, use the pcm beep thing that's used when you switch between tracks for a morse output. Just idle fancy.
19:03:18jhMikeSboost is boost...so the output gets boost too
19:03:33pondlifeYes, but I mean not requested by the output code...
19:03:45*jhMikeS sees no difficulty in beeping at any time
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19:04:18jhMikeSI think a voice channel will boost until it is empty
19:04:51pondlifeI'm confused by your terminology here..
19:05:11jhMikeSwhich?
19:05:20pondlifeI think of a channel as being like a signal path - so we have 4 or however many channels going into a mixer.
19:05:47pondlifeThe voice codec may be using a channel, but a "voice channel" is nothing special, right?
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19:06:49jhMikeSpondlife: I think there will be some specialization to make things work efficiently so one will be dedicated to voice
19:07:15pondlifeIs that really needed?
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19:08:44jhMikeSI think so yes...but not radically different. It's not like it takes up much memory itself.
19:08:47pondlifeThe voice codec (or text-to-speech engine) will be responsible for feeding the mixer, but I don't see how the dsp/mixer itself can influence much.
19:09:10pondlifeWhat sort of specialization?
19:09:12amiconnXavierGr: r u there?
19:09:32jhMikeSOne main channel will be straight through...other ones are played and then removed from the chain.
19:09:55amiconnVoice can always be mono for efficiency
19:10:15pondlifeOther codecs might be mono too, the mixer should use this where possible.
19:10:55jhMikeSit will be, yes and then matched up at final mix to the main channel. All things affected by say, EQ, pass throught a single EQ.
19:11:26pondlifeDoesn't EQ affect everything? i.e. post-mixer..
19:11:39pondlifeCrossfeed too...
19:11:55jhMikeSyup, except beeping really which would sum in after all that.
19:12:25pondlifeWhy special case for beeping? Not a big problem to EQ the sum instead is it?
19:12:42jhMikeSpondlife: You saw the ASCii diagram :)
19:12:47pondlifeNo?
19:12:53pondlifeWhere is it?
19:13:25jhMikeSMy spiel in the users group...I replied with (loose) diagrams of it.
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19:13:44pondlifeAh, I don't go there very often nowadays.
19:14:10jhMikeSUnless you're not Steve Bavin I think you responded to one ;)
19:14:35pondlifeI am, and I did, but I don't recall the diagram.. ;)
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19:15:24pondlifeAha, it's in a response to me that I hadn't read
19:15:36jhMikeSIf you want EQ is your beeps I think it could go there...won't matter really.
19:16:14pondlifeI don't much care if the beep is EQed, but I'd expect if all channels could be equal it would make for nicer code
19:16:26pondlifeAnd I care lots about nice, simple, stable code :)
19:16:41jhMikeSThat's the thing...it should make little difference
19:16:55pondlifeOK, you're doing it, I'm not... so I'll shut up!!
19:17:08jhMikeShehe
19:17:21pondlifeSo is it dead yet? :p
19:19:05XavierGramiconn: yes I am
19:19:09jhMikeSI hope not...but that buffer length...and having full bit depth and not resampling ahead of time makes things real tight. I think I will need to make sure the codecs also don't get held up during a drive spinup. I hope it's possible to be able to spin the disk but not wait on it. Would make life easier.
19:20:01pondlifeAre you planning on having a latency setting for the buffer size? Might be useful for different devices...
19:20:14jhMikeSthat would be utterly trivial
19:20:18pondlifei.e. a system limit setting - would need a reboot to take effect
19:20:35jhMikeSyou could even implement a different output buffer for each target since it's not even 200 lines
19:21:02jhMikeSno need to reboot. just stop playback and reinit the buffers
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19:21:33pondlifeI'm thinking that those who use peak meters or lots of EQ bands may need a slightly higher latency perhaps?
19:22:52jhMikeSperhaps. I really need to just have basic playback working with a single channel and the beep and watching things.
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19:27:26jhMikeSIn any case the buffer is so short that if it does get lagged a bit we get back to not having fine speed control possibly being a problem there. On a .1s buffer, locking the PLL takes 10% of that time itself. urgh.
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19:32:46jhMikeShow much lag is acceptable between, say selecting a menu item and hearing the voicing? playback of voice can't be forced ahead when playing music. There's also pausing which I hope can just let the dma play out whatever it has. Pause just stops giving it data.
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19:34:58jhMikeSbig, sloppy buffers are somewhat of a luxury
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19:45:32jhMikeSplease come forth with ideas...the "damn, I shoulda thought of that myself" kind that helps moves a project along are the best. :)
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19:53:21jmsbwtr_ok, i ws on here earlier, but my problem aint been fixed... my ipod battery is completely dead, and it won't charge up...
19:53:41jmsbwtr_i installed rock box, it worked fine for a day, but when i came to it the day after the battery was completely flat
19:54:27jmsbwtr_now when i try to charge it, i can get the charging logo up, but it isn't animated and no matter how long i leave it in for the thing will still come up with the battery & exclamation mark
19:54:39jmsbwtr_I tried getting into disk mode but no luck as there is not enough battery power...
19:57:25jmsbwtr_i cant even get the apple logo up
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19:59:51pondlifejhMikeS: Sorry, been away. Two things...
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20:00:05pondlife1) Pause should stop the music, but NOT the voice
20:00:17pondlifeSo it needs to not pause the output/DMA...
20:00:26bluebrotherjmsbwtr_: don't know if you tried that already, but:
20:00:30bluebrotherpower down the Ipod
20:00:35bluebrotherattach the usb cable
20:00:50bluebrotherwhen the ipod comes up / start the ipod
20:00:56jhMikeSpondlife: 1) exactly, we pause the codec channels, the voice keeps playing
20:01:09bluebrotherwhen the bootloader starts (apple sign) enter disk mode by pressing Select + Play
20:01:23jmsbwtr_i dont get as far as the apple sign
20:01:26pondlifejhMikeS: 2) The current voicing lag is acceptable IMHO.
20:01:27bluebrotherif it awakes to disk mode you can safely charge it there for a while
20:01:27jmsbwtr_not enough battery
20:01:32jhMikeSDMA is never stopped unless done explicitly to shut everything up
20:01:52pondlifeAh, sorry - I misread you
20:01:55pondlifeGood
20:01:55bluebrothercharging is done in hardware iirc, so you could simply connect the usb cable and wait some hours
20:02:26pondlifeDo you think there's likely to be more voice lag with low latency? I would have thought the opposite...
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20:02:40jhMikeS2) How much lag is there now? It's much laggier during playback for sure.
20:02:43bluebrotherworked for me when the ipod battery was really flat
20:02:45jmsbwtr_if i plug it in get the non animated chargin icon up, and unplug the cable, the icon stays there, im assuming thats bad!
20:02:48jmsbwtr_?
20:02:56pondlifeIndeed, but acceptably so.
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20:03:07pondlifeIt won't get worse than that, will it.
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20:03:24jhMikeSpondlife: I think it could be less and more responsive perhaps.
20:03:36pondlifeless and more?
20:03:44pondlifeless lag, more responsive
20:03:56pondlifeWell that would obviously be good..
20:03:57bluebrotherjmsbwtr_: have you tried charging it with that icon?
20:04:08jhMikeSyes since it should be inserted .1s before output always
20:05:01jhMikeSoh, another voice channel specialization might be to store its as 16-bit samples and not 32-bit
20:05:22jmsbwtr_bluebrother: yes, i left it for about 1 and a half - 2 hours, on the apple site it says that after about half an hour it will go to animated, but it hadn't so i tried to find out what was going wrong
20:05:48jmsbwtr_and i left the cable plugged in but no logo up for about 8 hours and it still saying battery is dead
20:05:49pondlifeWhy not allow any channel to use 16-bit? Like mono, maybe the codec could decide...
20:05:50bluebrotherhmm, that sounds strange
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20:06:39jhMikeSthey might have that but since most codecs have > 16bit most of the time they'll be 32-bit
20:06:41jmsbwtr_yea, and i dont think the battery is dead because it wsa fine before i installed rockbox, for some reason i think that rockbox isnt allowing it to charge, but i dont know why
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20:07:57bluebrotherreally strange. Sorry, but I don't have any other ideas :(
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20:09:00jmsbwtr_no worries, thanks for help
20:09:47jmsbwtr_i might just leave it for another few hours, see if it does eventually decide to charge
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20:10:29jhMikeSpondlife: I suppose it gets left as whatever the codec sends until it is processed...exept for voice which would be truncated before ever being buffered
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20:14:33pondlifeIs there much of a memory/speed gain from using 16 bit for voice only?
20:14:44jhMikeSsomething this opens up is to make it easier to use different output depths on targets that need it
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20:14:52jhMikeSpondlife: half the memory :)
20:14:55pondlifeYou said 32-bit was more efficient though
20:15:05pondlifeAnd these are short-ish buffers.
20:15:12jhMikeSit's only 11kHz though
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20:18:45jhMikeSI suppose I'll try it both ways when ready and see what does better overall
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20:22:42jhMikeSthis is just taking me back to some early recording anxiety where I was constantly going "how the hell am I gonna pull this off"? :P
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20:29:56Lachiennehi ppl
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20:37:46AceNikhey guys anyone know how to apply a patch "patch < patchfile" , here in case of "patchfile " im i supposed to put the patch name
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20:38:45jhMikeSat least the basic framework was for codec recording was designed already. this is basically a scratch job.
20:41:04markunAceNik: yes, you apply a patch like that
20:41:12markuntry adding -p 0 if it doesn't work
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20:41:52JavaMan22:)
20:42:12JavaMan22i was mad 2 days ago because my rockbox kept crashing now im happy again
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20:43:46Lachiennehi
20:43:49JavaMan22hi
20:44:20Lachiennecould an iAudio X5 run the bauer crossfeed filter :
20:44:33Lachiennehttp://bs2b.sourceforge.net/ ?
20:44:39JavaMan22i dont know :(
20:45:10*jhMikeS has to check that one out
20:45:18markunLachienne: what's wrong with our crossfeed?
20:45:40LachienneI read that the rockbox crossfeed is very basic and works just like a stereo expander, is that right ?
20:46:12Lachiennemarkun : i'd never heard it or look further at it
20:46:17markunit's basic, but doesn't work like a stereo expander
20:46:20markundid you listen to it?
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20:46:50AceNik<markun>buddy where do i place the patch file , im trying to integrate the "calculator_tan.patch", so the command would be $patch < calculator_tan , n above the path wuld be the root of my rockbox folder rite
20:47:12jhMikeSthe filter equations look the same
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20:47:55markunAceNik: put it in your rockbox folder
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20:48:06markunLachienne: where did you read this btw?
20:48:19Lachiennehmm segfaults sorry
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20:49:01Lachiennemarkun : on a french hardware forum
20:49:12markunLachienne: can you show me? I want to correct them :)
20:49:48jhMikeSwe have no high boost, just high cut but it's tight enough it seems like it could run this variant
20:49:58Lachienneis there a description somewhere of the filter ( comparatively to other ones : ChuMoy, .. )
20:50:02Lachienne?d
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20:51:07markunpreglow: was there a forum post where jlo showed you his crossfeed filter parameters?
20:51:21AceNik<markun>so would this patch now work if i compile a simulator & try
20:51:57markunAceNik: did the patch command say that it was applied correctly?
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20:53:04AceNikit said patchin file after that nothin else appeared
20:54:17markunit should
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20:54:50markunnormally it tells you how much was applied and how much was rejected (if any)
20:54:52JavaMan22is rockepedia work on 5.5g now?
20:54:59JavaMan22*working
20:58:51markunJavaMan22: your guess is probably as good or better than mine
20:59:12markundid it have some ipod 5.5g specific problems?
20:59:19JavaMan22i never tryed it
20:59:25JavaMan22i just discovered it today
20:59:50JavaMan22i want to get wikipedia on my rockbox can i?
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21:00:00markunI don't know
21:00:15JavaMan22:(
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21:00:32markunwhy don't you check the place where you fond it? Doesn't it say if it works or not?
21:00:37markunfound even
21:00:43JavaMan22it said last updated in 2006
21:00:53scorcheJavaMan22: that is an unsupported feature...you shouldnt even be coming to us about it
21:01:08JavaMan22ooo
21:01:16markunJavaMan22: you see, now you've made scorche angry..
21:01:22scorchehaha
21:01:23markunis that what you want? huh? :)
21:01:28JavaMan22>:o
21:01:52markunscorche: don't take it personal, I'm sure he didn't mean anything by it :)
21:02:10JavaMan22i just want some neat things on my rockbox
21:02:23*scorche just sits there drooling while his chain is being held back by markun
21:03:13markunI watched a futurama episode on my gigabeat in the metro, it was amazing :)
21:03:44JavaMan22markun do you have stuff on rockbox that doesnt come with it?
21:04:02*joshin knew that open source devs were often chained and drooling
21:04:06markunJavaMan22: no
21:04:17JavaMan22o
21:04:29Stalwartmy nano is much more stable with dualcore support disabled
21:04:37Stalwartit didn't crash for whole day
21:05:13markun:)
21:05:30AceNik<markun>http://www.pastebin.ca/413870
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21:06:41AceNiksorry for such a big o/p i just cleared screen
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21:07:55markunAceNik: :)
21:08:11AceNikso is it ok ?
21:08:16JavaMan22i dont get patches
21:08:35JavaMan22does that mean it has changes with other files that comes with rockbox?
21:08:47JavaMan22im trying to get rocklife
21:08:50markunJavaMan22: yes, they are changes to the official rockbox source
21:08:55JavaMan22oo
21:09:02JavaMan22i dont like those then
21:09:07markun:)
21:09:14JavaMan22why cant rocklife just be this one c file
21:09:19markunAceNik: no, it's not ok
21:09:21JavaMan22then i can compile it
21:09:41scorcheJavaMan22: a patch is much easier to deal with then a c file
21:09:44AceNikthen what is the problem here?
21:09:55JavaMan22but i dont want to have modified official files
21:09:59markunAceNik: it says 3 out of 4 chunks failed
21:10:27markunso it looks like the patch is outdated
21:10:57scorcheJavaMan22: then be content with just changing the config file only
21:11:07JavaMan22?
21:11:15scorchethere really is nothing wrong with modified files...
21:11:25AceNik<markun> check the last 2 lines buddy , i re patched later , the whole screen is the work ive done throughout the day , thats wat is the mistake
21:11:27JavaMan22what if something goes wrong
21:11:40scorchelike what?
21:11:47JavaMan22i dont know like a crash
21:12:05JavaMan22or i wont be able to use other plugins or something that use the original version of a file
21:12:08scorchethen it crashes and you go get/make a different build
21:12:17JavaMan22:/
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21:12:52scorche"As of the deadline, we've received 6,179 student applications from over 3,000 students."
21:13:07JavaMan22:)
21:13:10AceNik<markun>http://www.pastebin.ca/413879
21:13:22JavaMan22is this the first year you have entered google summer code
21:13:49scorchethe org?...yes
21:13:58JavaMan22oo
21:14:16JavaMan22can cygwin access linux partition?
21:14:44AceNik<markun>also check here http://www.pastebin.ca/413881
21:15:26markunAceNik: well, if it works it work
21:15:28markuns
21:16:40AceNik<markun>ill patch another 1 & show you?
21:16:50markunAceNik: no thanks
21:17:15markunjust go on, you'll get there
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21:23:45nebudkhello, can anyone please tell me how to apply a patch on my h320? Its regarding the patch for the mpeg viewer
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21:27:24markunrobin0800: what's up?
21:27:48nebudkI really want to know about how to apply a patch on my h320
21:27:53nebudkplease :)
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21:28:44voltagexhi, any project admins here?
21:30:51markunvoltagex: about the wiki?
21:31:38voltagexmarkun: nah, I'm actually wanting permission to do a Rockbox topic on the BinRev podcast
21:32:05markunsounds good
21:32:45voltagexI need someone uber knowledgeable to check over my show notes to make sure I haven't said anything wrong
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21:40:35markunvoltagex: well, you can ask it here.
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21:40:42webguest54hio
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21:41:05hcsmarkun: I suspect he wants his notes reviewed without just publishing them.
21:41:25webguest54wer hat einen sansa
21:41:31voltagexhcs: sorry, should have made myself more clear
21:41:37peturwebguest54: english please
21:42:10webguest54have a sansa e200
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21:42:35webguest54with rockbox
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21:43:46JavaMan22hehe
21:43:55Smoveho
21:44:15JavaMan22hi
21:44:28*Nico_P just committed a cuesheet change that *might* get a green size delta ! :)
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21:46:48jhMikeSthat thread killing thing is just asking for so much trouble...the only safe thread kill is _maybe_ on itself
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21:48:45Ice8lueHey@all
21:49:05peturho
21:50:32Ice8luedan_a: got just one question...today i updated my rockbox on the sansa with today's build (wasnt able to test the last two weeks because of holidays) and just recognized that the screen flickering was gone. how did u get this?
21:52:13jhMikeSit's not like there's a tracker of held locks and which objects it's blocking on
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21:54:01*bluebrother just found this "How to Report Bugs Effectively"
21:54:06bluebrotherhttp://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
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21:54:35pixelmaNico_P: green delta but a bit more yellow in the build table
21:54:51Nico_Ppixelma: I'm about to fix this
21:54:57Nico_Pbut I got green :D
21:55:07donutman25does rebuffering in mpegplayer work?
21:55:35bluebrotherNico_P: cheers to green delta ;-)
21:55:46jhMikeSit seems to, my gigabeat played elephant's dream right through
21:55:48bluebrotherdonutman25: afaik it is supposed to work. Haven't tried myself
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21:56:17Nico_Pbluebrother: :) It's my first time ! I'm so happy :p
21:56:20bluebrotherwatching videos on greyscale targets isn't too much fun. I prefer my computer ;-)
21:56:24Nico_Pthanks to my family, my friends...
21:56:30bluebrotherhehe
21:56:32Ice8luelol^^
21:56:43bluebrotherNico_P: what do you want to say?
21:56:44JavaMan22to JavaMan22
21:56:45jhMikeSit's not easy being green do doubt
21:56:57*bluebrother awaits the answer "and I want ... world peace" :D
21:57:23*GodEater prefers the honest answer "and I want ... lots of money"
21:57:27Nico_Pbluebrother: I'm so happy there are no words :p but world peace sounds good
21:57:36jhMikeSworld peace through negative size deltas? that's the secret? :P
21:58:40*Ice8lue is waiting for an answer :-/
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21:59:04jhMikeSGodEater: I'm partial to that sort of green with positive size deltas :)
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21:59:33*bluebrother remembers that sentence from "Miss Undercover" ;-)
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22:01:41AceNik<markun>what oes this mean " clock skew detected ,your build may be incomplete sometime(0.8s) int he future " it says
22:02:12Ice8lue^^
22:02:21peturit's a cygwin thing
22:02:39LearRather, make on Cygwin thing.
22:02:54Bagderrather, make on cygwin on fat thing
22:03:03peturAceNik: it's because of the lower time resolution of the windows filesystem
22:03:04hcscygwin attempts to alleviate speed issues with small amounts of time travel, still it's too slow
22:03:05AceNikso is it ok to ignore it?
22:03:07LearTrue. Make has code to "fix" it, but it isn't enabled on Cygwin.
22:03:28peturhcs: lol
22:05:28AceNikguys i have made a H10 [20 GB] Theme with WPS, based on vista its made supporting angryman's build can i still post it for the gallery ?
22:06:21amiconnI never got that timestamp warning on cygwin without reason
22:06:22*Ice8lue really wants to have an answer
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22:06:52amiconn(but then I'm not running cygwin on fat)
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22:34:53elborakI want to add a few bits of info to DeviceChart#SanDisk_units. Can I please be given write permission (WikiName DavidGentzel)? Thanks.
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22:36:04Bagderelborak: done!
22:37:08elborakThanks Bagder.
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23:05:27bluebrotherhmm. is FS #6926 a valid task or is this once again one of these "use proper settings" issue?
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23:07:40Nico_PBagder: what do you think is better between defines and an enum ? (it's for the toeknizer, with code size in mind)
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23:07:54robin0800why is the yellow problem on the current builds not fixed?
23:08:14BagderNico_P: for tokens, I think I'd prefer enum
23:08:38Nico_PBagder: I'm kinda relieved :)
23:09:08Bagderhehe
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23:35:16smablyso, rockbox thinks the default gigabeat battery capacity is 2000 mAh, but GigabeatInfo says it's 830 mAh
23:35:21smablyanybody know which is correct?
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23:36:37Nico_Psmably: it's 830
23:36:51Nico_Por maybe not exactly that but it's surely not 2000
23:36:53markunsmably: and the value doesn't matter
23:36:56markunjust ignore it
23:37:23Nico_Pmarkun: what does it take to get the battery meter probably calibrated ?
23:37:24smablyok. doesn't that mean the battery life estimate will be wildly wrong, though?
23:37:38markunsmably: it will be anyway
23:37:43smablyah, okay.
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23:57:52Hamhello
23:58:59Hami have a 30 GB 5G iPod

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