#rockbox 2007-04-01

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#rockbox log for 2007-04-01

00:00:18	blackninj	sorry, i had no idea
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00:02:21	fm2	Aua! I've just discovered a huge bug in RB!
00:03:33	fm2	On my h120, while mp3 is playing, it whistles three times and then... I don't know. The music seems to be played back backwards. Like on some Beatles albums
00:04:24	fm2	Has anyone seen this as well?
00:04:37	roolku	fm2: it's not a bug, it's a feature - the demonic message feature
00:04:51	roolku	fm2: only active on April 1st
00:05:26	fm2	Ah, yesss! :-))) Greetings to all of you fools! :-)))
00:05:50	idnar	hahaha
00:06:03	davina	still march here ;)
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00:13:54	Mouser_X	Oh wow...
00:14:00	Mouser_X	Interesting feature.
00:14:05	Mouser_X	It's March here as well.
00:15:32	blackninj	I'm having a hard time finding bootsplash help in the forum
00:16:51	kramdra	just wondering but can song info be used by plugins? similar to the stuff that can be put on the WPS screen?
00:17:41	kramdra	can WPS stuff like current song, next etc.. be used by plugins?
00:17:57	kramdra	can WPS stuff like current song, next etc.. be used by plugins?
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00:19:40	Mouser_X	kramdr: I would think so, but I don't know.
00:19:52	BigMac	Is there an option to not have backlight shut off in mpegplayer? because that makes no sense for it to keep shutting off
00:21:36	perldiver	it doesnt shut off here
00:22:01	Mouser_X	Hmmm... I can see how that'd be a big problem...
00:22:37	Mouser_X	Also, could an option be added to MpegPlayer that allows you to temporarily increase the brightness of the backlight while it's playing?
00:22:56	Mouser_X	I intentionally have my light set low to save on battery.
00:23:07	Mouser_X	Just in case.
00:25:36	blackninj	can someone tell me what topic customizing the bootsplash is under in the forums?
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00:25:46	BigMac	Alright another question, is their any bookmarking/remember place feature working yet
00:25:56	Mouser_X	I doubt it...
00:26:00	Mouser_X	It'd be nice though.
00:26:18	BigMac	blackninj: there isn't a topic just click search and enter "custom boot screen"
00:26:26	Mouser_X	Actually, for how I plan on using mpegplayer, it'd be very nice...
00:26:47	blackninj	thanks BigMac
00:26:56	Mouser_X	I plan on watching TV shows on my breaks at work.
00:27:05	Mouser_X	They're given in 15 minute bits.
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00:27:15	Mouser_X	Most of the shows are about 20 minutes...
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00:27:39	Mouser_X	If you registered your nick, you could boot them off.
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00:27:48	Mouser_X	Or that.
00:27:52	BigMac	Mouser_X: Yah but not many people have an hour and a half to sit down in the case of a movie
00:28:00	BigMac	I have like 20 minute spurts
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00:28:09	Mouser_X	Hmmm.
00:29:12	perldiver	BigMac backlight should be always on while in mpegplayer
00:31:06	BigMac	perldiver: Yah I realized it was because I had usb plugged in
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00:32:04	perldiver	also connecting usb while in mpegplayer will crash rockbox
00:32:36	perldiver	connecting headphones having "pause on headphones disconnect" option will crash it too
00:33:55	BigMac	I have that option on
00:34:05	BigMac	I just won't remove my headphones
00:36:57	Mouser_X	Heh.
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01:28:43	Rug	Howdy all
01:30:29	Rug	Is the 5.5G version of 80GB video Ipod still a no-go?
01:33:22	JavaMan22	no go it is
01:33:36	JavaMan22	but ipod linux works on 80gig
01:35:05	Rug	really? hmm I might have to look into that then. I bought the ipod expecting to put rockbox on it, but was quite dissappointed to see that it can't/won't work. What are the advantages of linuxPod ?
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01:42:50	x1jmp	Where is that wiki page about recommended devices?
01:43:43	x1jmp	I've seen it once but I can't remember the name, it showed a table and listed advantages of players (storage, runtime, display)
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01:46:06	holst	anyone know if there is any support for encryption in rockbox?
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01:47:05	JavaMan22	Rug: ipod linux can basically do anything rockbox can but no one works on it as much as rockbox
01:47:25	JavaMan22	for rockbox there are updates everyday which i like :D
01:48:02	Rug	JavaMan22: thanks
01:49:44	Soap	what kind of support holst?
01:51:07	holst	like cryptsetup in linux
01:51:15	holst	where you encrypt an entire partition
01:51:54	holst	when i start the mp3 player i get to input a password to enable playback
01:52:19	holst	the password can be given by using a combination of up,left,right,down and such button presses
01:52:51	holst	i dont know how much more battery this would "cost"
01:53:07	holst	but i know there exits very optimized assembler versions of aes-128
01:53:34	holst	maybe blowfish even (very basic algorithm)
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01:59:19	holst	oh here comes a developer :)
01:59:35	JavaMan22	:)
02:00
02:00:26	JdGordon	I wouldnt hold your breath for encyption...
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02:01:16	BHSPitMonkey	holst rocks
02:01:29	\|Rincewind\|	JdGordon: is it intentional that the first keypress after exiting a plugin does nothing?
02:01:54	JdGordon	no...
02:01:56	JdGordon	which target?
02:02:03	\|Rincewind\|	h120
02:02:12	holst	BHSPitMonkey: i dont feel safe at the airport with my semi legal mp3 collection :\|
02:02:17	JdGordon	with svn?
02:02:17	Mouser_X	It's happened frequently on the Gigabeat as well.
02:02:44	markun	amiconn: I'm here now
02:02:46	\|Rincewind\|	I haven't tried with the very latest, but 2 days ago it was there
02:02:47	Mouser_X	I just thought it was a "feature" or something saving, or something.
02:02:55	\|Rincewind\|	and one week ago, too
02:02:55	linuxstb	holst: That kind of feature has been requested and rejected many times - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=password&type=&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=all&date=0
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02:03:36	JdGordon	\|Rincewind\|: ok, just puttin svn on my h300 to see what hapopens...
02:03:42	BHSPitMonkey	holst, I don't care about your mp3's, and I was referring to a holst who's long dead
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02:04:14	markun	linuxstb: I read that there are some problems with my YUV changes, probably a problem with clamping, don't you think?
02:04:36	markun	I generated the tables, so I could play with that
02:04:40	linuxstb	markun: Maybe, I haven't looked at your commit yet - I'll look now...
02:04:54	JdGordon	\|Rincewind\|: does it matter which plugin you exit?
02:05:24	roolku	\|Rincewind\| / JdGordon : I have reported this ages ago (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg63323#msg63323)
02:05:42	\|Rincewind\|	i haven't tried every plugin, but it seems general
02:05:56	\|Rincewind\|	might have to do with action_signalscreenchange() ?
02:06:04	markun	linuxstb: but jhMikeS will replace it by a asm implementation anyway
02:06:06	roolku	\|Rincewind\|: have a look at the posting
02:06:32	Soap	If your MP3 collection is semi legal - fix that issue, don't request a band-aid.
02:06:51	JdGordon	ah! its this bug again... ok
02:07:08	Soap	regardless, are you expecting a lawyer to stop you an issue a supoena at the airport?
02:07:34	Mouser_X	If worse comes to worse, you can format your player.
02:07:39	Mouser_X	Who's to know then?
02:08:06	\|Rincewind\|	roolku: that's the problem, yes
02:08:21	Soap	Copyright is a civil, not criminal issue. All the airport security in the world don't give a rat's-hiney about your infringement, though you shouldn't talk of it here as infringers don't belong here.
02:08:49	linuxstb	markun: Do you mean clamping of the input values? i.e. YCbCr generated by libmpeg2?
02:09:29	perldiver	markun there's too much green now :P
02:09:32	holst	"long dead"? :)
02:09:49	\|Rincewind\|	has someone here tested mpgplayer on h1xx?
02:10:05	markun	perldiver: do you have a short movie for me to test my fix with?
02:10:14	Soap	holst: see "The Planets", etc.
02:10:14	linuxstb	\|Rincewind\|: I wouldn't go as far to say "tested", but I've run it...
02:10:41	perldiver	markun 25mb, would that be ok?
02:10:48	markun	perldiver: yes
02:10:51	\|Rincewind\|	is it realtime (how many frames?)
02:11:01	perldiver	markun would you accept dcc?
02:11:16	linuxstb	perldiver: Does connecting/disconnecting the headphone also crash other plugins which claim the audio buffer? e.g. the JPEG viewer (with large pictures) or Doom?
02:11:17	JdGordon	roolku: \|Rincewind\|, i think I may have found the proper fix....
02:11:29	perldiver	linuxstb i never tried actually
02:11:29	markun	linuxstb: yes, the input values (to prevent y - 16 to be negative for example)
02:11:44	linuxstb	markun: Yes, that seems to be needed.
02:11:50	markun	perldiver: I'll make a patch, if it works you can first try it, ok?
02:11:53	roolku	JdGordon: cool
02:12:03	perldiver	markun so you dont want the video?
02:12:11	markun	perldiver: not now
02:12:16	perldiver	i can test the patch no problem then
02:12:35	JdGordon	just waiting for the full make to finish... but I think its because action_signalscreenchange is after the button_clear_queue call
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02:14:03	JdGordon	yep :)
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02:14:37	perldiver	linuxstb just tested it, it doesn't
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02:16:44	linuxstb	perldiver: With what plugin?
02:16:55	perldiver	both mentioned
02:17:28	linuxstb	OK, thanks...
02:17:37	JdGordon	roolku: \|Rincewind\|, fix commited
02:17:49	\|Rincewind\|	thanks
02:18:23	roolku	thanks
02:18:59	perldiver	linuxstb it doesnt literally crash it when you plug the headphones. the videos goes into slow motion with all buttons locked
02:21:57	JavaMan22	i think the view partition in debug should display if its a fat32 or linux part i dont understand the numbers
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02:30:26	markun	perldiver, linuxstb: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/yuv_update2.diff
02:32:11	perldiver	on it
02:32:12	markun	looks like the code is a bit slower though..
02:32:20	markun	but I'm not sure
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02:37:13	markun	perldiver: and?
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02:37:43	shoepainter	he i seee they have a new gigabeat s port
02:37:44	perldiver	give me a few
02:37:55	Soap	shoepainter: who?
02:37:57	markun	shoepainter: who has?
02:38:03	markun	Soap: damn :)
02:38:16	Soap	markun: You used more words, thus I won.
02:38:23	shoepainter	on the web site it
02:38:36	markun	shoepainter: do you have a link?
02:38:41	shoepainter	no
02:38:47	shoepainter	its in development
02:38:56	shoepainter	soory if i got u excited
02:39:08	shoepainter	under new ports
02:39:17	markun	shoepainter: well, I didn't believe you anyway :)
02:39:30	markun	so don't worry about getting be too excited :)
02:40:09	Soap	so what was the color noise issue with mpeg player?
02:40:25	shoepainter	it has two acually "Tatuga Elio TPJ-1022" and "Gigaeat S (S30 S60)"
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02:40:33	linuxstb	markun: Why did you choose to make the arrays int, and not (e.g.) uint8_t/int8_t ?
02:40:34	Soap	did you switch away from the standard MPEG YUV->RGB conversion?
02:41:04	markun	linuxstb: could do that yes
02:41:29	linuxstb	markun: I think using 8-bit types will be faster - it means you don't need to multiple *ysrc by 4 to get the index.
02:43:04	markun	linuxstb: but I will not 'waste' too much time on it if jhMikeS can speed it up a lot with his asm version
02:43:09	shoepainter	I cant wait until the Gigabeat S gets ported (Icant stand WMP)
02:43:55	markun	shoepainter: if it ever gets ported of course
02:44:08	shoepainter	quick question I have WMP ver. 2.11 (gigabeat S60) is that the latest
02:44:16	linuxstb	shoepainter: I thought you could drag-and-drop audio files to MTP devices ?
02:44:46	shoepainter	you can drag and drop
02:45:27	linuxstb	So why do you need WMP?
02:46:25	markun	perldiver: yes, don't let me waiting too long :)
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02:48:37	perldiver	im compiling
02:48:50	markun	cygwin?
02:49:24	perldiver	yes
02:50:15	markun	poor guy :)
02:51:16	perldiver	i know :P
02:51:31	perldiver	give it 15 min
02:51:32	Soap	haha - Soap beats someone in compiling?
02:51:37	markun	15??
02:51:59	markun	maybe you should try vmware, I heard it's faster
02:52:12	perldiver	everybody says that
02:52:44	perldiver	its not really _that_ faster
02:53:04	linuxstb	It would probably be quicker to compile on the gigabeat....
02:53:20	Soap	yea, it is that much faster than cygwin.
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02:53:50	perldiver	linuxstb ha
02:54:05	markun	perldiver: how much faster was it for you? And why did you stop using it?
02:54:07	perldiver	i got used to it
02:54:17	perldiver	(to cygwin)
02:54:30	markun	perldiver: well, I want to know if my patch work and then go to sleep..
02:55:01	scorche	VMware really is much faster than cygwin..
02:55:44	perldiver	i need to set it again probably
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03:00:29	perldiver	how long does it take on vmware? lets say on something like p4
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03:01:13	\|Rincewind\|	I just timed a clean build on my ubuntu 1.2ghz pc. It took 5min 16 sec
03:01:44	\|Rincewind\|	athlon xp
03:02:17	perldiver	hmm
03:02:19	perldiver	:P
03:02:50	\|Rincewind\|	I guess a modern pc with 3ghz can do it in 2-3 min
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03:03:19	scorche	that is around what it takes me
03:03:33	scorche	although, i am dual-core 2.2
03:03:51	\|Rincewind\|	i did a sim-build, if that matters
03:04:17	scorche	we, i was referring to the 2-3min and that is on vmware
03:04:23	scorche	s/we/well
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03:05:03	w0lfie	hey all
03:05:23	w0lfie	i am looking at doing something for FR4935 as i reckon it would be a pretty cool feature
03:05:26	\|Rincewind\|	If I remember correctly vmware wasn't that much worse than what I get now when I used it myself
03:06:18	w0lfie	i have a question about accurate timing, is there an existing plugin that deals with this?
03:06:27	w0lfie	would the stopwatch be a good place to start?
03:07:01	markun	w0lfie: sorry, don't know
03:07:21	w0lfie	markun: sweet as...hopefully some does :)
03:07:44	linuxstb	w0lfie: The standard timer in Rockbox is 100Hz - do you need higher precision than that?
03:07:44	\|Rincewind\|	what really bugs me is that it takes 30 secs to build even when I don't change code
03:07:50	w0lfie	does anyone know if HZ is an accurate second or does it fluctuate?
03:08:53	markun	perldiver: what's the ETA?
03:09:07	linuxstb	markun: Can you give perldiver a binary?
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03:09:35	w0lfie	linuxstb: well, potentially yes. if someone is wanting to do 180 beats per minute, then there is going to be a slight timing error
03:09:37	perldiver	done
03:09:49	markun	linuxstb: damn, could have done that of course :)
03:11:12	w0lfie	linuxstb: perhaps you won't actually be able to hear the difference? i'm really not sure without playing around
03:11:24	linuxstb	w0lfie: In which case, you probably need to use the user timer - you can use this to call a function N times per second. metronome.c uses it (search for rb->timer_ to see examples)
03:11:43	perldiver	let's see
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03:13:16	w0lfie	linuxstb: oh...haha. looks like someone has already beat me to it :)
03:13:26	perldiver	well
03:13:31	perldiver	"green" is still there
03:13:38	markun	weird
03:13:39	perldiver	its first 2 or so frames for me
03:13:46	perldiver	green "blur"
03:13:54	markun	well, will have to look at it some other time
03:14:19	Topic	"Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines \| Everyone be sure to welcome the Zune and Nano 2nd Gen to the list of supported targets! \| Finally! Version 3.0 released!" by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
03:14:20	markun	perldiver: you rebooted after unzipping, right?
03:14:26	linuxstb	perldiver: That effect normally happens with badly encoded files - i.e. not starting with an I frame.
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03:14:45	markun	scorche: ah, it's that date again..
03:14:52	perldiver	markun of course
03:15:00	scorche	markun: i havent the faintest idea of what you are talking about
03:15:03	JdGordon	??? what date?
03:15:06	perldiver	linuxstb well yes, but that didnt happen before markun's update
03:15:13	JdGordon	im running rockbox on my zune now...
03:15:18	perldiver	lol
03:15:40	markun	anyway, good night
03:15:44	perldiver	night
03:15:51	perldiver	id put that on the main page for that matter
03:16:06	scorche	perldiver: Bagder has to wake up first ;)
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03:16:20	\|Rincewind\|	or a dummy svn commit?
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03:17:07	Topic	"Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines \| Everyone be sure to welcome the Zune (be sure to thank the ZuneLinux project) and Nano 2nd Gen to the list of supported targets! \| Finally! Version 3.0 released!" by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
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03:17:38	scorche	ehehe
03:17:54	w0lfie	is anyone here running an iaudio x5 60g? if so, are there any complaints about them?
03:18:47	*	jhMikeS thinks he shouldn't answer that
03:19:02	w0lfie	are you not a fan?
03:19:22	jhMikeS	a fan of the sound big time, not of the company.
03:20:29	w0lfie	ahh right. with the company aside, do you think it is a decent player?
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03:21:16	jhMikeS	yes, if it never needs repair. probably especially wannanty repair. mine was sent out with a simple joystick problem and they messed it up twice.
03:21:56	jhMikeS	so aside from the company being a bunch of dills, it's the best sounding player I've heard so far.
03:22:40	w0lfie	hahah. good to hear :)
03:22:52	perldiver	its a great sounding player, yes, but somehow i prefer gigabeat
03:23:03	w0lfie	i have heard that from a few people about them being really awesome sounding
03:23:13	jhMikeS	I'd put Gigabeat a close 2nd to the x5
03:23:23	w0lfie	i was originally going to buy a gigabeat f20 but everywhere had sold out
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03:24:37	w0lfie	i do like the idea of the pad instead of joystick but oh well
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03:27:05	perldiver	gigabeat was never an easy player to find in stores
03:27:16	perldiver	but plenty of them on ebay
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03:27:42	jhMikeS	w0lfie: well, that joystick might get you. I'm not the only one around here that had it break.
03:28:15	jhMikeS	so if you send it in for that they might trash your battery when you sent it to them second time cause they broke the usb controller :P
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03:31:35	w0lfie	haha wow, it sounds like you got properly fucked around :)
03:32:46	jhMikeS	you bet...one thing, check the serial number as read by rockbox. write it down, and save it. I wish I had implemented that before sending it to them.
03:33:36	jhMikeS	It's under System\|Debug\|HW Info
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03:34:22	jhMikeS	let's just say I might have been able to cause them major legal trouble if I had that number
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03:35:21	perldiver	theres no serial number on the player itself?
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03:40:35	jhMikeS	irrelevant. it reads the chip on the main board...which they told me they replaced but the joystick still isn't quite right.
03:41:12	perldiver	ah i see
03:41:20	jhMikeS	...so if I had that number before sending it in, I could have verified their claim...if it were the same then bam :)
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03:53:31	JdGordon	hold swicth iirc...
03:54:19	jhMikeS	that just seems to toggle the hold button :P
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04:09:09	ablaze`	hi folks
04:09:32	ablaze`	i would like to hear the sansa e200 while i hear some mp3s
04:09:39	ablaze`	how can i do that ?
04:10:08	ablaze`	while it charges
04:10:14	ablaze`	sry for my english
04:10:14	ablaze`	^^
04:10:33	ablaze`	lol
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04:11:43	jhMikeS	argh...the menu there is a combo...:p
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04:14:42	ablaze`	yeah
04:14:46	ablaze`	but which combo?
04:14:47	ablaze`	^^
04:15:14	ablaze`	nobody else have a sansa in here?
04:15:27	ablaze`	sry, i hope thiis is the right englich
04:15:28	Soap	I'd like to believe they would have mapped the top button to be the one you hold while inserting the cable
04:15:30	ablaze`	x_X
04:15:31	jhMikeS	5+.=select+menu
04:15:43	Soap	when I say the top button, I mean the one in the 12 o'clock position.
04:15:53	Soap	regardless, should be in the menu.
04:16:13	Soap	s/menu/manual
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04:16:34	JdGordon	ablaze`: are you talking about talking menus?
04:16:35	ablaze`	>\|\| << this one? :D
04:16:54	ablaze`	i just want to hear some music while the sansa charges
04:17:45	JdGordon	hold the record button (or power) while u plug the usb cable in.... I tihnk
04:18:15	ablaze`	yes i know, but this doesnt work
04:18:26	ablaze`	anymore...
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04:20:57	ablaze`	and now? :(
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04:25:21	darkshadow_	Hey.
04:26:23	darkshadow_	I'm having a problem after I updated to the latest firmware. For all the plugins it says "Incompatible version" and when I try to play mp3's, it says codec failure.
04:26:46	darkshadow_	I went to the archives to find an older version, but that did the same thing.
04:26:53	darkshadow_	I have an H120, by the way.
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04:28:04	JdGordon	you need to unzip the whoel file
04:28:10	JdGordon	not just the rockbox. file
04:28:26	darkshadow_	Ahh...
04:28:29	Soap	aren't the new versions /just/ a .rockbox folder?
04:28:47	Soap	with the rockbox.iriver file inside the directory?
04:29:09	darkshadow_	I noticed that it was just one file in the zip now, but didn't think of that.
04:30:16	darkshadow_	So I should just copy rockbox.iriver from the .rockbox folder into the main folder on my player?
04:31:05	Soap	nah, you should delete the rockbox.iriver file from the root of your player.
04:31:19	Soap	and tell me if that fixes your problems.
04:31:25	darkshadow_	ah, okay.
04:32:47	darkshadow_	Now rockbox is gone. ;)
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04:36:44	Soap	there isn't a rockbox.ipod file inside your .rockbox directory?
04:37:47	darkshadow_	Not in this build. I have iriver.
04:38:06	Soap	I honestly ment .iriver
04:38:32	darkshadow_	ah.
04:39:44	darkshadow_	Yeah, there is.
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04:42:15	darkshadow_	Is there a document or something about the change not to include rockbox.iriver in the main zip file?
04:44:26	Soap	it IS included, it is just in the .rockbox folder now.
04:44:29	Soap	for neatness.
04:44:51	darkshadow_	ah
04:45:15	darkshadow_	So now you just have to take it out of the folder and put it in the root?
04:46:04	Soap	no, it should be fine where it is.
04:46:11	Soap	your bootloader should find it there.
04:46:41	darkshadow_	Do I have to update the bootloader or anything?
04:47:54	BigMac	Soap: I thought the bootloader background was black with white text, mine seems to be the old one with pale blue and black text
04:48:11	Soap	on your ipod?
04:49:26	BigMac	Soap: On my gigabeat
04:50:06	Soap	I don't know if, nor why, the bootloaders between targets would change colour schemes at similar times.
04:50:23	Soap	My gigabeat is black on blue, but it's not the latest one I know that.
04:54:08	Llorea1	The Gigabeat bootloader is still black on blue, yes.
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04:54:46	jhMikeS	oy, can't seem to control the mpeg player at all on gigabeat...I wonder if it's because I plugged the phones while playing...no sound and no keys
04:55:37	Llorean	jhMikeS: If you have the "pause on earphones removal" option enabled, it seems to crash it yes
04:55:51	Llorean	Or at least so I hear.
04:55:53	jhMikeS	I might
04:56:20	jhMikeS	it's also running slow as a result so it appears threads are hanged
04:56:24	Llorean	Yeah
04:56:30	Llorean	That's the most common "crash"
04:57:08	jhMikeS	that's gotta be fixed...too nasty. all I wanted to do was whip up some ARM code for it :P
04:57:42	jhMikeS	will it quit when the movie is finished or do I have to reset my clock AGAIN? :)
04:58:38	Llorean	Um
04:58:39	Llorean	It varies
04:58:47	Llorean	If your MPEG stream has the right ending, it'll quit.
04:58:59	Llorean	When it quits, there's a SMALL chance the video thread will hang.
04:59:34	Llorean	My videos don't end, when the file finished playing it continues playing data from the previous run through the buffer.
04:59:41	Soap	Llorean: and ffmpeg isn't writing the eof?
04:59:49	Llorean	Soap: Well, that might not be the problem
04:59:58	Llorean	Everything else I have plays the files fine, and stops at the end.
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05:00:10	Soap	ditto
05:00:10	Llorean	Linuxstb gave me a "the problem might be..." response.
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05:03:33	toffe82	jhMikeS: the other day you were talking about the lcd of the gigabeat, you gave access to a microscope, I can send you a broken lcd if you want
05:03:43	jhMikeS	XavierGr: Of course...I'll probably just pinch some of the DSP code I did. Also, the yuv stuff is emac already
05:04:14	toffe82	have access ^^
05:04:45	jhMikeS	toffe82: We can see the die itself? If so, it might have something there, or else I might need something harsher to remove and covering.
05:05:19	*	Soap is curious what a microscope can tell you about a LCD...
05:05:35	toffe82	there is a black bar one mm large by 2cm long more or less, the chip must be under
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05:05:58	toffe82	I didnt try to take off this part
05:05:59	jhMikeS	If the chip die is exposed or exposeable, there's usually microscopic lettering on them.
05:06:25	jhMikeS	If we can do that...perhaps a circuit diagram for that :P
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05:08:00	EnR_N	Why is the menu styling different from the photo in the video ipod
05:08:02	jhMikeS	In many instances, I think it's nitric acid that can remove any plastic cover and leave the silicon untouched
05:08:27	toffe82	jhMikeS: the mark I see on one side are : 64A-R12 m0220
05:08:57	toffe82	and another one FH2185T
05:09:27	toffe82	I think tht the black part is a radiator, I will try to take it off but not time now
05:09:36	Llorean	EnR_N: It's possible the Manual is out of date.
05:09:44	EnR_N	It seems the in the systems settings there is no longer a "start screen" option, so it starts in the file browser −− meaning i cannot access the database/recording/resume playback options
05:10:03	Llorean	EnR_N: No, that's not the case.
05:10:06	jhMikeS	I'd still like a microscope on the die to see what's printed there...gotta be possible
05:10:09	Llorean	EnR_N: Are you using an official build?
05:10:24	EnR_N	Yes- the latest
05:10:29	toffe82	jhMikeS: but I think I will not see more the last inscription is on the opposite side of the first one , I see it by transparence and it is reverse
05:10:32	EnR_N	downloaded last thursday
05:10:54	EnR_N	the main menu is the same as the one displayed in the manual
05:10:59	Llorean	EnR_N: The "latest" should never be said about a build unless it was downloaded in the last 5 minutes.
05:11:03	toffe82	jhMikeS: I can send it to you
05:11:14	toffe82	lunch time, see you later
05:11:16	Llorean	EnR_N: What gave you the impression that there have been no updates since thursday?
05:11:20	EnR_N	well ... I saw no updates in the news ^_^ though thats good to know
05:11:30	Llorean	EnR_N: Look at the changelog on the front page of the site.
05:11:41	jhMikeS	toffe82: yeah, I'll take my time on disassembly and see what I can get...wanna be careful to not destroy info
05:12:10	w0lfie	has anyone managed to natively build the tools needed to compile rockbox on FreeBSD 6.2-R? the m68k tools won't compile for me
05:12:10	EnR_N	!~~mmm so active
05:12:11	*	jhMikeS sees the movie just looping around still
05:12:24	jhMikeS	...argh...battery switch
05:13:09	Llorean	jhMikeS: Maybe you could get it to stop at the EOF, independent of the stream itself? :-P
05:14:02	jhMikeS	I'm guessing playback is receiving messages at a time when it should not have any interaction.
05:14:15	EnR_N	Llorean: do you know which files the settings for the root menu at startup lie in?
05:14:54	Soap	bascule should write a wikipage on Tagcache/database. Do a brain-dump. He seems quite good with it.
05:15:14	XavierGr	jhMikeS, toffe: what are you trying to find?
05:15:24	Llorean	EnR_N: I still have the Settings->General Settings->System->Start Screen option.
05:15:47	jhMikeS	XavierGr: info on the lcd controller for gigabeat
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05:16:11	Llorean	Soap: Definitely. At least he was willing to put together some improvements to the default tagnavi.
05:16:46	XavierGr	jhMikeS: what's the exact reason for that? it seems that it is working currently (forgive my ignorance)
05:16:54	Soap	I wouldn't mind playing around with tagcache on my Nano (I have mostly single tracks on it) and he seems to know more than I can find in the documentation on pratical usage.
05:17:21	jhMikeS	XavierGr: a) maybe it's really a documented part? b) we want to control everything about it; better driver
05:17:46	Soap	the idea of better gigabeat performance is scary.
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05:18:04	Llorean	I would love if that 25 updates per second thing were actually changeable though
05:18:19	EnR_N	My main menu is recent bookmarks, general-sound- and manage settings, recording, playlist options, plugins and info
05:18:21	darkshadow_	By the way, what do you guys use for unzipping?
05:18:26	darkshadow_	The windows XP archive tool seems to work, but it's quite slow.
05:18:28	EnR_N	it says Rockbox main menu on top
05:18:29	jhMikeS	my fingers
05:18:31	Soap	how does it do 29.97/30 FPS video is the LCD only does 25?
05:18:40	EnR_N	I can't even access the screen with "general" on it
05:18:43	Soap	darkless: 7zip is free and excellent.
05:18:51	EnR_N	(unlike my photo)
05:19:20	XavierGr	jhMikeS: I thought b) was done
05:19:20	jhMikeS	some frames won't be seen?
05:19:36	jhMikeS	it's hardly complete
05:20:13	Llorean	EnR_N: It sounds like you have an outdated build, it really does. Update to the newest OFFICIAL build.
05:20:21	EnR_N	O . K
05:20:22	Soap	do they get dropped gracefully, or randomly lost?
05:20:31	Llorean	Randomly lost.
05:20:36	Llorean	As far as I can tell
05:21:01	Soap	didn't pacbox on gigabeat just get changed to 30fps?
05:21:05	Llorean	mpegplayer sends them to a framebuffer or something, which the LCD controller automatically updates to the screen 25 times per second, I hear.
05:21:34	jhMikeS	the display is interlaced
05:21:37	Soap	just curious why that would be commited when the screen can't keep up.
05:21:44	EnR_N	Oh btw- is Senab's COP build any better?
05:22:00	Soap	EnR_N: senab's builds are over 6 weeks out of date.
05:22:07	jhMikeS	I think it's 50 fields per second actually
05:22:11	Llorean	EnR_N: COP support is in the official build, if you're using a "COP" build it could be quite outdated.
05:22:12	Soap	six very important weeks.
05:22:31	EnR_N	Yes yes, it is >?
05:22:35	Soap	2007-02-09 vs 2007-04-01
05:23:09	Soap	if you _must_ go unsupported, at least go with evilG's
05:23:23	Soap	but even his stuff is almost a week old.
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05:25:07	Darkshadow	Okay, all is well and in working order now, thanks for your help. :)
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05:27:06	H10_007quick	A version 3 is being released?!
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05:29:33	Soap	it's running a few hours behind. The flurry of activity around the Nano 2nd generation release is clogging the build servers.
05:30:13	H10_007quick	Why is there no anouncements on the front page?
05:30:30	JdGordon	the relevant person isnt awake yet
05:30:45	H10_007quick	No one else can do it?
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05:31:17	H10_007quick	Or have the files still not been put into svn yet?
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05:32:28	EnR_N	Yeah . Im using the one downloaded on 3/29
05:32:30	EnR_N	LoL I actually feel safer using official builds ^_^
05:32:32	EnR_N	except the one for photo - nofreqscaling is the only one working on me photo
05:32:33	_Amblin	Whoa!
05:32:39	_Amblin	Zune supported?
05:32:45	_Amblin	oh
05:32:46	_Amblin	heh
05:32:47	_Amblin	read
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05:35:28	Darkshadow	Hmm, I'm having another problem too. :P
05:35:39	Darkshadow	For some reason the formatting on DancingPuffDuo is messed up for me.
05:36:10	Darkshadow	The battery meter on the bottom is on a line by itself, and elements are pushed up, making a lot of things overlap.
05:36:16	Llorean	Darkshadow: Usually the cause of this is that it used to use the Chicago12 font which isn't used any more
05:36:20	Llorean	Try picking another font.
05:36:34	EnR_N	Llorean- is the bootloader link in the manual the most recent?
05:36:52	EnR_N	"linked" to the most recent version
05:37:27	Llorean	EnR_N: It should be, yes
05:38:42	Darkshadow	Okay.
05:40:07	scorche	=)
05:40:08	Darkshadow	Ah, thanks.
05:41:21	H10_007quick	Llorean: whats this about version 3! being realesed?
05:41:45	H10_007quick	Llorean: is there going to be a feature freeze?
05:42:02	*	JdGordon thinks Llorean might just kill scorche :D
05:42:07	scorche	hehe
05:42:16	H10_007quick	lol
05:42:16	Llorean	H10_007quick: Yes, we've just gotten a LOT of code from the Zunelinux guys
05:42:25	Llorean	Aside the freeze it'll give us plenty of time to incorporate their changes.
05:42:47	H10_007quick	ah ok.
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05:52:05	Topic	"Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines \| Everyone be sure to welcome the Zune (be sure to thank the ZuneLinux project) to the list of supported targets! \| Finally! Version 3.0 released! \| Doom and all other game plugins removed to focus on core functionality: Patches in the tracker will be rejected and removed." by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
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05:56:27	Darkshadow	So Version 3 is in on the site now?
05:57:00	scorche	Darkshadow: look a few lines up
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05:57:35	Soap	<Soap> it's running a few hours behind. The flurry of activity around the Nano 2nd generation release is clogging the build servers.
05:57:52	Darkshadow	okay. :P
05:58:14	Darkshadow	haha, and thank you all for answering the stupid questions. ;)
05:58:52	Soap	7zip do it for you?
06:00
06:00:01	Darkshadow	whoa yeah.
06:00:10	Darkshadow	I just tried it like a second ago.
06:00:30	Darkshadow	It is roughly 500 times faster than xp's unzip program. ;)
06:00:35	Darkshadow	Thanks.
06:01:06	Soap	and it does RAR and others very well.
06:01:34	Darkshadow	Good deal.
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06:09:20	Darkshadow	Well I'll be on my way now. :)
06:09:38	Darkshadow	Thanks for all the help again!
06:11:06	billytwowilly	hey, how's the sansa development going?
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06:12:10	Soap	on the back burner now that the Nano 2nd generation is up and running.
06:12:23	billytwowilly	lame.
06:12:30	billytwowilly	the sansa is better.
06:12:37	Llorean	Not technically.
06:12:52	billytwowilly	heh.
06:13:06	Soap	It has FM, I got a DAP because there is nothing on FM except NPR (in the states)
06:13:06	billytwowilly	bigger screen + radio = the win
06:13:24	billytwowilly	primarily the bigger screen.
06:13:27	Llorean	Bah
06:13:32	Llorean	You don't need a bigger screen for music.
06:13:56	billytwowilly	it's nice when you sit down and use it.
06:13:59	Llorean	But a faster processor for wider format support and better battery life, those are useful.
06:14:14	Soap	not to mention 1/2 the thickness.
06:14:21	Soap	1/3rd almost.
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06:14:35	billytwowilly	thickness at that level isn't that big a deal.
06:14:36	scorche	Soap: i changed the topic...now shush
06:14:50	billytwowilly	so how is the nano 2g support then?
06:15:08	Llorean	Oh, I suspect the Nano2g will be interesting for a little over 24 hours, before something else comes along.
06:15:18	Llorean	But for everyone who has the sample code right now, it's quite fun.
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06:15:56	scorche	yeah...it was my fault...i wasnt supposed to let people know that our private code has been running on that device for a while
06:16:05	scorche	so i corrected our topic
06:16:20	scorche	so please dont mention it ;)
06:17:09	billytwowilly	heh, so it's working, but you aren't telling anyone?;)
06:17:20	scorche	it has been working for about a month now
06:17:27	billytwowilly	release it already;)
06:17:53	scorche	we just released version 3 and the zune...give us some time!
06:18:05	scorche	(and we just want the code to ourselves ;)
06:18:06	billytwowilly	hehe no rest for the wicked;)
06:18:33	Soap	someone might steal credit.
06:18:48	billytwowilly	man, I'm watching this documentary called "Who controls the children (Schools dumb down kids deliberately)" and it's making me feel sorry for American children.
06:19:29	scorche	billytwowilly: please read the link in the topic
06:20:35	billytwowilly	sigh
06:20:48	Galois	you know, given the reliability of all the other stuff in the topic, ...
06:21:49	Soap	billytwowilly: there is #rockbox-community for a reason.
06:21:58	Soap	(I forget what the reason is sometimes)
06:22:59	scorche	Soap: to just sit there and look pretty?
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06:38:56	Soap	it is serving that role well.
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07:06:58	_Amblin	Anyone have an e200 that uses mpegplugin?
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07:07:21	Llorean	_Amblin: You mean mpegplayer I assume?
07:07:39	_Amblin	Ah, hey Llorean.
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07:08:21	_Amblin	When playing a video using mpegplayer, do you get a static type noise in the audio?
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07:08:32	Llorean	The Sansa has audio problems still, yes.
07:08:39	_Amblin	Ok.
07:09:11	_Amblin	A/V sync works perfectly now.:)
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07:09:59	ace214ismad	god damn
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07:10:33	ace214ismad	So I don't know if someone's already on this but I'm getting one big compiling error from the svn build
07:10:58	ace214ismad	ence to `__compound_literal.4'
07:11:01	ace214ismad	ence to `__compound_literal.4'
07:11:12	Llorean	ace214ismad: One, please don't randomly curse.
07:11:30	scorche	two, that is from an outdated arm-elf-gcc
07:11:31	Llorean	ace214ismad: As you can see the build servers on the build table don't show this error, suggesting something is wrong with your setup. What target are you compiling for?
07:11:32	ace214ismad	Sorry, FF wouldnt let me in
07:11:55	ace214ismad	Ah, excellent. ok
07:11:56	ace214ismad	thanks
07:12:30	scorche	all rockbox developing environments were updated quite a bit ago
07:13:20	ace214ismad	Ok. Havent compiled in a long time
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07:21:06	perldiver	so, with vmware, do i need to do svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox everytime i power it on?
07:21:16	Llorean	No
07:22:10	perldiver	hmm
07:22:40	perldiver	how does it "remember" me then if use "user/rockbox" then?
07:22:53	Llorean	I don't understand exactly what you're asking.
07:23:00	scorche	it is just like a regular filesystem
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07:26:08	Soap	scorche: you were asking about vmware packages you should add.
07:26:12	Soap	(the other night0
07:26:14	Soap	)
07:26:19	Soap	do you have ccache on there?
07:26:33	scorche	i would have to check
07:27:24	perldiver	so it does store files locally?
07:27:29	ace214ismad	Thanks for the help. Updating fixed it.
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07:27:52	scorche	perldiver: in that 2gig image, yes
07:28:24	perldiver	got it
07:30:47	Llorean	Soap: I'm pretty sure it does, yes.
07:31:08	perldiver	so im guessing typing //debian from the "run" menu will access it?
07:31:25	perldiver	(sorry guys came back from the night out, trying to figure it out heh)
07:31:48	perldiver	\\debian*
07:32:08	scorche	perldiver: if you are running the image and samba is working properly, yes
07:32:09	perldiver	decided to dump cygwin finally
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08:04:32	RoC_MM	ha!
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08:12:15	iwantanimac	rofl
08:12:20	iwantanimac	nice topic.
08:12:49	iwantanimac	umm.. onto serious matters... where would i find the .bmps for the rockbox logo for each target?
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08:13:33	JdGordon	apps/bitmaps/
08:13:59	iwantanimac	ah. /apps/ is a tad misleading =/
08:14:41	JdGordon	yes... everything thats not firmware/hardware drivers goes in apps
08:15:03	Llorean	Well the bitmaps are the bitmaps used by the "application" level.
08:15:08	iwantanimac	well maybe "resources" would've been better.
08:15:23	Llorean	Resources wouldn't make any sense for most of the rest of the data in /apps/
08:19:49	JdGordon	Llorean: do you know why the custom margins patch isnt in svn?
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08:23:04	Llorean	JdGordon: The one that would be completely unnecessary once viewports is done, so it would have to be removed again?
08:25:15	JdGordon	thats the one :)
08:26:03	Llorean	I think part of the idea is that we don't need to be maintaining code we know in advance we don't intend to keep. :-P
08:26:17	Llorean	Though I do think there was at least some goodwill toward it, if I remember the conversation properly.
08:26:22	JdGordon	yeah, na, I forgot about viewports before asking...
08:26:54	*	JdGordon is going to do them in the semester holidays (june) if amiconnhasnt done them by then :p
08:27:04	Llorean	Heh
08:29:05	*	Mouser_X is looking forward to viewports.
08:29:16	Mouser_X	That is, if they're what I recall them being.
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08:41:24	*	Llorean pities the MyGigabeat forums.
08:42:14	Llorean	I see spam messages from the same account over a three day period.
08:49:17	perldiver	oh well, vmware is fast :P
08:50:43	Mouser_X	So you got it working?
08:50:59	Mouser_X	perldiver: If so, mind explaining how to add patches?
08:51:14	Mouser_X	I've got it on my PC, but I haven't figured out how to add patches.
08:51:33	Mouser_X	Also, it runs like a pregnant snail on my machine.
08:51:46	Mouser_X	I'm sure there's a way to fix that, but I don't know what it is.
08:53:51	JdGordon	get a faster machine....
08:54:18	Mouser_X	CPU Speed: 1.99 GHz
08:54:28	Mouser_X	I would have thought that'd be enough.
08:54:57	JdGordon	how much ram you got?
08:55:43	Mouser_X	RAM: Used: 426/512MB
08:55:48	Mouser_X	Page File: Used: 680/995MB
08:56:46	JdGordon	should be fine for vmware...
08:57:01	perldiver	Mouser_X well, you just put patches into rockbox folder and...add them?
08:57:12	perldiver	i mean at what stage you're having problems?
08:57:39	Mouser_X	I don't know how to add them.
08:57:57	Llorean	Mouser_X: Have you read any of the guides?
08:58:12	Mouser_X	I read the compiling guide.
08:58:23	Mouser_X	In the Wiki.
08:58:36	Mouser_X	If it said how to do it in VMware, I didn't see it, or didn't understand it.
08:59:08	JdGordon	its all the same... once you have vmware running....
08:59:14	Llorean	It's the same as in cygwin.
08:59:29	Mouser_X	Ah.
08:59:41	Mouser_X	I'll have to see if I have the patience to run VMware again.
08:59:57	Llorean	If VMWare has issues with your system, use cygwin
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09:00:10	Mouser_X	I've heard that it might go faster if I cut back on the RAM it uses.
09:00:16	Mouser_X	Though, I have no idea how to do that.
09:00:16	Llorean	The big vmware advantage is speed, and if you've got a system that won't run it quickly for whatever reason, there's not much reason to try to use it.
09:00:27	perldiver	whats the different between suspend and power off?
09:00:32	perldiver	(on exit)
09:01:57	perldiver	difference*
09:02:40	Llorean	perldiver: Power Off simulates actually shutting down the virtual computer
09:02:47	Mouser_X	As I recall, one "turns it off" such that it'll have to reboot when you start it up again, and the other only puts it in hibernation, so to say.
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09:02:51	Llorean	Suspend basically just remembers its state when you quit the program, and returns you to it.
09:02:57	Llorean	It's not even hibernation.
09:03:19	Mouser_X	Well, my understanding of hibernation isn't that great.
09:03:19	Llorean	I'd actually suggest Power Off. Samba is much more reliable when you've powered up fresh, than after a suspend.
09:03:36	Mouser_X	I've never used hibernation anyway.
09:03:59	Mouser_X	(I don't even know if I own a system that does that.)
09:04:01	perldiver	i mean are there any disadvantages in putting in into suspend more (cause obviously its much better than to power it off)?
09:04:14	perldiver	Llorean ah
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09:04:15	Llorean	perldiver: I just explained why I recommend Power Off.
09:04:17	Llorean	:-P
09:04:35	Llorean	Suspend is generally fine, but there are occasions where Samba won't work after a suspend, and it's quite frustrating.
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09:06:45	perldiver	takes less than 4 minutes to compile, very nice
09:08:20	Mouser_X	Lucky...
09:08:30	Mouser_X	It takes that long just to get it useable.
09:09:39	perldiver	Llorean do the resident vmware memory processes take any resources whatsoever?
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09:10:14	Llorean	perldiver: Um, I'm not quite sure what you mean. VMWare isn't "free", there's definitely overhead from running it, of course.
09:10:54	perldiver	i mean after quitting it
09:11:15	Llorean	Yeah, they use a little memory
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09:13:02	scorche	Mouser_X: have you installed vmware tools?
09:14:10	iwantanimac	hi all. about the boot/credits logo, how practical (In a programming sense) would it be to allow it to use an external bitmap?
09:14:46	Llorean	iwantanimac: Relatively easy.
09:14:47	JdGordon	easy
09:14:50	Mouser_X	scorche: I thought I did, but I don't know.
09:15:06	JdGordon	... will patches be accepted for it?... pro ably not
09:15:17	scorche	Mouser_X: well, if you havent, that can cause vmware to appear to run very poorly on your system
09:15:20	Llorean	The plan, I believe, is to scrap the "bootsplash" in the Gigabeat bootloader, make it not refresh the screen (speeding it up, and making it subtler), and making the Rockbox bootlogo load a .bmp
09:15:25	Llorean	JdGordon: Yes, they will.
09:15:27	Mouser_X	scorche: Is that the thing that allows me to cut+paste pretty easily?
09:15:33	scorche	yes
09:15:36	iwantanimac	as in into SVN?
09:15:38	Mouser_X	Then yes.
09:15:49	Mouser_X	I don't recall noticing a difference.
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09:15:56	JdGordon	Llorean: wha? since when?
09:16:02	Llorean	JdGordon: Making the boot logo be loaded from a .bmp instead of being compiled in is actually mostly positively looked upon.
09:16:17	Llorean	For one thing, it removes it from the binary, and bitmap loading is already in core anyway, right?
09:16:25	JdGordon	oh... I thought he meant loading from a file during boot...
09:16:32	Llorean	No, not in the bootloader.
09:16:37	Llorean	That first "Rockbox" logo in-rockbox
09:16:44	Llorean	On the Version screen.
09:16:52	iwantanimac	yeah. that one.
09:19:38	Llorean	Of course clearly we shouldn't do that now, it'd obsolete the Logo Swapper program.
09:19:47	BHSPitMonkey	so rockbox developers aren't feeling mean today, eh?
09:19:48	BHSPitMonkey	:)
09:19:59	iwantanimac	which is what i was looking at anyway... logo swapper doesn't work for me.
09:20:20	Llorean	iwantanimac: Suggest to its writer that they should just submit a patch for proper themeable logo then.
09:20:20	BHSPitMonkey	no false reports of being shut down by Apple or PortalPlayer or Archos?
09:20:37	iwantanimac	it spits out different errors every time, and besides, it's complicated.
09:20:43	Llorean	BHSPitMonkey: Nah, but maybe Toshiba has their eyes on us.
09:20:45	scorche	BHSPitLappy: see topic
09:20:53	scorche	bah...whatever
09:20:55	Mouser_X	I was about to PM that.
09:21:02	iwantanimac	i think ill try writing a patch...
09:21:05	BHSPitMonkey	scorche, ah
09:21:23	*	Mouser_X wishes he had a Zune...
09:21:24	Mouser_X	:P
09:21:32	BHSPitMonkey	Eww.
09:21:40	Mouser_X	Too bad I spent all my money on the LEGO Millenium Falcon.
09:21:50	*	iwantanimac wishes iPods were less clunky and had FM Radio so he would buy one.
09:22:00	Mouser_X	Just get a Gigabeat.
09:22:14	Mouser_X	No radio, sure, but it's got lots of other stuff going for it.
09:22:14	scorche	heh...ipods...clunky..
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09:22:56	BHSPitMonkey	yeah, heh
09:23:04	amiconn	rrrr
09:23:24	scorche	amiconn: i typically make that sound when i wake up too...
09:23:41	*	amiconn hates april fool's day
09:23:42	Mouser_X	Mine is "Ahhh maaaannn..."
09:23:53	Mouser_X	Followed by "I have to go to work."
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09:24:02	scorche	amiconn: just be glad you dont have me in the house...
09:24:04	*	iwantanimac loves april fool's day. check out the GMil homepage.
09:24:11	iwantanimac	*gmail...
09:25:46	scorche	http://www.google.com/tisp/install.html
09:26:29	iwantanimac	lol
09:28:42	BHSPitMonkey	I have yet to find out what TiSP stands for, though.
09:28:49	BHSPitMonkey	T1 in Sewage Pipes?
09:29:40	Llorean	Toilet ISP
09:29:50	Llorean	It could be a variety of things
09:30:00	iwantanimac	google get so into april fools.
09:30:38	Llorean	I'm just glad it only lasts for a day.
09:31:12	iwantanimac	yeah.
09:31:24	iwantanimac	can you imagine how many people would actually fall for this stuff?
09:32:07	scorche	plenty have....check the irc logs fortoday ;)
09:32:24	iwantanimac	really?
09:32:39	iwantanimac	and they commented here?
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09:33:14	scorche	well, i am talking solely about our own celebration ;)
09:33:36	Mouser_X	Just to note: I'm quite happy with my Gigabeat.
09:33:43	Mouser_X	I don't need or want a Zune...
09:33:55	BHSPitMonkey	Way to save face.
09:34:09	Mouser_X	Check the #usf logs...
09:34:17	Mouser_X	:P
09:34:56	iwantanimac	third line of today's #rockbox log - what the...?
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09:37:02	scorche	except, the logs parser omits changes tot eh topic and such
09:37:55	iwantanimac	which is a shame.
09:39:05	iwantanimac	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page - featured article - april fools prank or fact?
09:40:19	Llorean	iwantanimac: This isn't really a channel for discussing various pranks.
09:40:42	iwantanimac	i know. sorry for getting offtopic...
09:40:42	Llorean	Also, read it and look for valid cited sources.
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09:45:36	BHSPitMonkey	fiction
09:45:59	BHSPitMonkey	revolutionary soldiers didn't have -crap-, much less instant coffee.
09:46:07	scorche	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/George_Washington_%28inventor%29
09:46:16	scorche	and this is the last off-topic mention of it
09:46:23	scorche	no more!
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09:59:06	iwantanimac	is there separate code for the startup bitmap in credits.c as well as soemwhere else?
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10:07:37	iwantanimac	where is the "rb->show_logo();" defined?
10:08:00	Bagder	find . -name "*.c" \| xargs grep anythingyouwant
10:08:57	iwantanimac	anythingyouwant would be the string i'm trying to locate, yes?
10:10:09	iwantanimac	don't worry. solved my own question.
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10:14:46	iwantanimac	right found it...
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10:58:08	franken	Hello, how do I keep all my preferences when updating Rockbox?
10:58:53	Llorean	If you update it the proper way, they should be preserved.
10:59:34	franken	Hm. What is the proper way then? I use cp -Ru .rockbox /mnt/x5
10:59:55	franken	In what files are my prefernces stored?
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11:00:20	JdGordon	if you unzip the official build over the top of your current install you will not lose any personal files (includes settings)
11:00:44	franken	Sadly, I do. All settings are at default after updating
11:00:58	JdGordon	were you using a very old build before updating?
11:01:05	JdGordon	say, older than 2 months..?
11:01:11	franken	It was from November 2006
11:01:22	JdGordon	ok, that explains it then...
11:01:28	franken	Ah I see
11:01:36	JdGordon	you can put that build back on, then save your config file manually, then update
11:01:46	JdGordon	or just not bother and redo your settings...
11:01:54	JdGordon	from now on your settings are safe though
11:02:03	Llorean	Yeah, settings were lost across the update to the new setting system if you didn't export them
11:02:22	franken	Well, I made a backup of my old /.rockbox, any way I can copy the old settings over?
11:02:23	JdGordon	you can go back and save them, if you still have the old build
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11:03:04	JdGordon	menu > general settings > manage settings > "write config file" then copy that .cfg intto your new .rockbox folder and make sure its named config.cfg
11:03:54	franken	Ooh okay great, I will do that, thank you
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11:35:44	iwantanimac	umm... i'm trying to use the VMware image and fluxbox is annoying the heck outta me. It won't let me install Xfce... how do i get it to install with all the dependencies, rather than just complaining that there are dependencies?
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11:42:31	JdGordon	Llorean: thanks, thats what I thought but needed to double check
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11:42:40	JdGordon	and asking here is faster than loading ff :p
11:43:02	JdGordon	iwantanimac: apt-get xfce4-desktop ?
11:43:23	JdGordon	why would you bother with a different WM? or are you plannign on using it for more than rockbox devel?
11:43:32	iwantanimac	i was doing apt-get install xfce4
11:44:10	iwantanimac	and yes i was planning to use it for other stuff, but i at least want to b able to use it properly. fluxbox isn't my type...
11:44:56	iwantanimac	and xfce4-desktop doesn't work either.
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11:46:18	iwantanimac	ill ask elsewhere...
11:46:57	JdGordon	apt-cache search xfce4
11:47:01	JdGordon	or aptitude
11:47:17	iwantanimac	does aptitude work - it's installed?
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11:47:33	iwantanimac	damn... why didn't i know that... =P
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12:07:01	toni1	linuxstb: I might have found the problem with mpegplayer on the sansa.
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12:07:47	toni1	If I declare both audiothread_id and videothread_id as IBSS_ATTR then the sound is fine.
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12:19:17	markun	pretty difficult for me and amiconn to be online at the same these days..
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12:21:19	linuxstb	toni1: (for the logs) Do you have any idea why that would be the case? It doesn't make any sense to me...
12:25:41	JdGordon	you guys are funny... why dont you just use the dev ml?
12:25:53	JdGordon	saves you having to read logs :p
12:26:08	markun	Nah :)
12:32:19	JdGordon	hmm... damn, no amiconn :( how am I supposed to nag him about viewports if he isnt here!
12:32:41	JdGordon	s/nag/ask quuestions (if he reads the log :p )
12:33:19	markun	I'll just wait for him to show up again
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12:37:45	linuxstb	Llorean: I don't - the video thread commits suicide by calling remove_thread(NULL) itself.
12:37:52	Llorean	Ah
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12:38:18	Llorean	Is that strictly safe? Isn't that the thread that's causing problems on exit sometimes?
12:38:20	linuxstb	That's what dan_a told me to do in the past - I don't know if Slasheri's changes have affected that.
12:39:26	iwantanimac	anyone know why aptitude on the VMWare image wants to uninstall everything?
12:39:47	linuxstb	Because you've told it to... (in some way).
12:39:56	JdGordon	I tihnk i remmeber someone saying that remove_thread(NULL); is fine and safe to use...
12:40:02	JdGordon	hehe.. commiting suicide :D
12:40:14	iwantanimac	linuxstb: i don't see how...
12:40:30	JdGordon	iwantanimac: possible really outdated packages or something causing dependancy issues?
12:40:39	Llorean	JdGordon: Well, the thread seems to be data aborting on iPods when it ends. So something funny is happening there.
12:40:46	Llorean	Or near when it ends
12:40:51	liquid_raven	how is rockbox on iPod Photo these days?
12:41:16	linuxstb	Llorean: That could be related to mpegplayer reading past the end of the file.
12:41:37	Llorean	linuxstb: Even on manual exits far before the end of a file?
12:42:03	iwantanimac	Aptitude says they're being removed because they're no longer used...
12:42:09	linuxstb	Err, no :) So you're getting data aborts when pressing STOP?
12:42:41	JdGordon	I _may_ have found a bug Slasheri missed :)
12:42:47	linuxstb	iwantanimac: There you go then. So what's the problem?
12:42:50	JdGordon	but the core locking mecahnism isnt enabled is it?
12:42:52	Llorean	linuxstb: Yes.
12:43:10	iwantanimac	but i don't want them to be removed.. it says it's uninstalling aptitude... which i kinda wanna keep...
12:43:14	Llorean	linuxstb: Should it be safe to try removing the thread the same way you do the audio one?
12:43:20	iwantanimac	sorry for bad english there...
12:43:50	linuxstb	iwantanimac: What did you ask aptitude to do?
12:43:53	JdGordon	Slasheri: thread.c in remove_thread()... if thread == NULL you dont call unlock_cores() before returning... isnt that bad?
12:44:46	iwantanimac	i just opened it then updated the listings, and asked it (i think) to install xfce4.
12:45:01	JdGordon	Llorean: looking at remove_thread() it does a thread switch after removing the thread (if its NULL), so its unlikely thats where your problem is.... unless something is expecting that thread to still be alive?
12:45:26	Llorean	JdGordon: The thread doesn't get removed. After you leave mpegplayer it's still visible on the OS stacks page
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12:46:06	JdGordon	ok, then there is a problem :p
12:46:10	linuxstb	Llorean: That could also be caused by the video thread not killing itself.
12:46:18	linuxstb	Which is probably more likely....
12:46:23	Llorean	Well, either way
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12:46:42	Llorean	When you leave mpegplayer, you see a brief flash of a data abort, and there's a mpgvideo thread on the OS stacks screen
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12:47:27	JdGordon	Slasheri: also, why is thread->name = NULL; not done in remove_thread? seems a bit dangerous to me...
12:47:39	JdGordon	remove_from_list() I mean
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12:51:17	JdGordon	sleep_thread() doesnt have an unlock_cores() also?
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12:58:37	amiconn	markun?
12:58:44	markun	yes!
12:58:48	markun	:)
12:58:52	*	linuxstb cheers
12:58:59	*	Llorean wishes he had a way to get the actual address of the data abort.
12:59:09	amiconn	Hi, I have some questions regarding unicode and codepages
12:59:11	linuxstb	Llorean: Video camera?
12:59:41	amiconn	Currently, full loadable codepage support is compiled in for the player, even for codepages which don't make sense
12:59:41	markun	Llorean: I had added that to my build, but maybe I lost it when switching to svn..
12:59:48	JdGordon	hey amiconn, were you plannig on having a "frame buffer" for each vieport? or just give each viewport a origion,width,hieght values and then the drawing code would adjust x/y values to fit in the viewport?
12:59:55	linuxstb	Llorean: Or try adding an rb->sleep(HZ*30) (30 seconds) to the end of mpegplayer.c - before it quits.
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13:00:06	amiconn	But at the same time, no loadable codepages are included in 'make zip'
13:00:28	JdGordon	Llorean: the .map file and the dissasembly :p
13:00:37	amiconn	JdGordon: No separate framebuffers, that'd be overkill (and require dynamic memory allocation which we don't have and don't want)
13:00:39	Llorean	JdGordon: No, the data abort doesn't stay on the screen.
13:00:45	Llorean	I'll try the sleep
13:00:49	linuxstb	Llorean: And remove the calls to rb->lcd_clear_display() and rb->lcd_update() as well.
13:01:08	amiconn	markun: My problem is that the loadable codepages which can be supported on the player are non-contiguous
13:01:10	JdGordon	amiconn: ok, thats what I figured :)
13:01:31	markun	amiconn: what do you mean by that?
13:01:39	amiconn	(indices 0, 1, 3, 6, 7 and 12 in the current settings)
13:02:18	JdGordon	Llorean: if your game, you could probably fiddle with the data abort code to dump the location to a file?
13:02:36	Llorean	JdGordon: If one of these easier methods doesn't work, I was thinking about it
13:02:40	amiconn	(iso 8859-1, iso8859-7, cp1251, iso8859-9, iso8859-2 and utf-9)
13:02:55	JdGordon	shouldnt a data abort stop all exectution though? how does it not stay on the screen?
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13:03:14	linuxstb	JdGordon: I assume it's because the data abort is on the COP. But you're right - it _should_ stop everything.
13:03:15	Llorean	JdGordon: It's on core (1)
13:03:22	amiconn	So I need a way to reorder them, and would like to know whether the codepage order has any special meaning other than the order in iso.cp
13:04:16	amiconn	Also, I need to find a new name for iso.cp and add a parameter to 'codepages' for selecting minimal or full support
13:05:15	amiconn	Do we want to reorder codepages for all targets, or rather introduce a new filename (e.g. isomini.cp ??) for the player?
13:06:17	Llorean	00046148 apparently
13:06:59	markun	amiconn: hm, I have no idea
13:07:48	markun	I think you are more into the code to decide that now
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13:08:07	amiconn	hmm.....
13:08:25	Llorean	linuxstb: It looks like the data abort is happening inside remove_thread
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13:13:31	Slasheri	JdGordon: lists are linked list. When removing from list and settings thread->name = NULL would destroy the thread
13:14:24	JdGordon	isnt that whats wanted?
13:14:28	Slasheri	JdGordon: sleep_thread doesn't need unlocking, because switch_thread takes care about that
13:14:55	Slasheri	JdGordon: remove_thread should set name to null but not remove_from_list
13:15:05	Slasheri	scheduler removed and adds threads to lists all the time
13:15:24	JdGordon	ah, ok... as long as you know how it all works :D
13:15:30	Slasheri	:)
13:15:52	Llorean	Slasheri: Apparently remove_thread is having a data abort when removing the video thread. Any ideas right off the top of your head?
13:16:05	Slasheri	Llorean: checking that
13:16:30	Llorean	remove_thread is at 00046130, and the abort's at 00046148 if that helps a bit (compiled for the Nano, that is)
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13:17:31	Slasheri	Llorean: so that happens with the mpegplayer?
13:17:44	Llorean	Yes
13:18:30	Slasheri	ok, first i would try it with scheduler's locking mechanism enabled (now cop is not safe to use because those functions are disabled)
13:19:34	linuxstb	Why is the COP not safe to use?
13:20:01	Slasheri	operations are not thread safe core wise as long as the locking is disabled
13:20:29	linuxstb	What kind of operations?
13:20:44	Slasheri	all kernel function calls that needs locking (almost any of them)
13:20:55	Slasheri	such as remove_thread itself
13:21:33	Slasheri	if COP's scheduler is working with that thread the same time main CPU calls remove_thread, no wonder if it would crash..
13:22:00	linuxstb	The main CPU isn't removing the thread, the thread is committing suicide with remove_thread(NULL).
13:22:25	Slasheri	ok, then it's not that bad
13:22:48	linuxstb	This worked fine in the past (afaik).
13:22:59	Llorean	mpegplayer has frozen when I've hit "stop" on the gigabeat too, which is single core, though no data abort message.
13:23:16	Slasheri	hmm, interesting
13:23:21	Llorean	On the gigabeat though, it's not consistent, I can't find a way to reliably reproduce it, it seems about 1 in 5 or so.
13:24:02	linuxstb	mpegplayer's threading isn't 100% reliable, but I'm waiting for the kernel to become stable before cleaning it up.
13:24:20	linuxstb	stable as in the API becoming stable.
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13:27:28	Slasheri	linuxstb: so you figured out it crashes when calling that remove_thread()?
13:27:59	linuxstb	Llorean did.
13:28:11	Slasheri	ah, how?
13:28:28	Llorean	Slasheri: It data aborts, and I looked up the address in the .map
13:28:41	linuxstb	The data abort doesn't freeze the entire system, so we're assuming the data abort is happening on the COP. And there's only one mpegplayer thread on the COP.
13:29:40	Llorean	Also, the thread is still shown on the OS Stacks page.
13:30:10	Slasheri	ah, nice
13:30:12	linuxstb	Slasheri: The code at the start of remove_thread makes no sense - "if (thread==NULL) { do something with thread->core }" ....
13:30:25	Llorean	(1) *R 4 8% mpgvideo
13:30:31	Slasheri	linuxstb: oh! indeed
13:30:38	Slasheri	linuxstb: that's a null pointer bug
13:31:15	Slasheri	linuxstb: good thing, i just noticed that now.. i was replacing too much CURRENT_CORE with thread->core
13:31:53	Slasheri	linuxstb: fixing.. that might fix some other issues too
13:33:53	Slasheri	committed a fix
13:34:45	linuxstb	Slasheri: You're still accessing thread->core later in the same function...
13:34:58	linuxstb	(and thread->name)
13:35:08	*	linuxstb re-reads the commit :)
13:35:35	Slasheri	linuxstb: but that should be safe now :)
13:36:03	linuxstb	Sorry, just a moment of blindness.
13:36:07	Slasheri	it would be great if somebody could try problematic players with the core locking mechanism enabled again
13:36:10	Slasheri	:)
13:37:25	linuxstb	Remind me how to enable it...
13:37:45	Slasheri	linuxstb: just change those two #if 0 -> 1 from thread.c
13:38:32	Llorean	Slasheri: Well, SVN code works fine with mpegplayer now on Nano
13:38:37	Slasheri	ups.. in fact i accidentally committed that change myself
13:38:44	linuxstb	Slasheri: I was about to say that...
13:38:57	Slasheri	well.. lets disabled them again if problems still occur
13:39:02	Slasheri	-d
13:39:19	Llorean	So, basically wait for the forums to flood with data abort reports again? :-P
13:39:31	Llorean	Wo we have someone with a 'problem target' around right now?
13:39:53	Slasheri	at least 4g, H10 (and probably sansa) should be those targets
13:40:00	Llorean	The sansa had problems?
13:40:10	Slasheri	IIRC, but not sure
13:41:14	linuxstb	I'm just compiling now...
13:41:21	linuxstb	(for the ipod Color/Photo)
13:41:31	Slasheri	great! =)
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13:44:40	Llorean	Well, music plays on my Sansa
13:44:43	Llorean	What am I looking for?
13:44:59	Slasheri	Llorean: it should crash right away after booting
13:45:09	Llorean	Definitely didn't do that.
13:45:16	Slasheri	at least that seems to be working then :)
13:45:25	Llorean	Assuming the Sansa was one of the problem targets, then yes
13:45:32	Llorean	Um
13:45:35	Llorean	Sound sounds GOOD on th Sansa right now
13:45:38	Llorean	Did we commit a fix for that?
13:46:14	linuxstb	Slasheri: Still freezing on my photo...
13:46:29	linuxstb	In the main menu with the disk icon on.
13:46:45	Slasheri	linuxstb: ah, need to disable that then :/
13:50:15	RaBe42	It do also regulary freeze while playing musik.
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14:02:02	JdGordon	umm.. any reason why elephants dream refuses to open with svn?
14:06:00	Llorean	JdGordon: Tried playing the file on the PC? My videos open fine at least.
14:06:46	JdGordon	It opened fine a few days ago.. , but no...
14:06:47	amiconn	hmmmmmmmm
14:06:59	*	amiconn is still undecided what to do with iso.cp :/
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14:10:30	*	Llorean doesn't have the power to change the topic.
14:10:31	JdGordon	its only just 10pm here... you guys have ages to go :p
14:11:27	*	linuxstb lives in a country that doesn't allow April Fools jokes after midday
14:11:40	Llorean	linuxstb: 7AM here. :-P
14:12:13	*	preglow lives in a country that likes to allow april fools jokes well into the 2nd of april...
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14:22:11	linuxstb	Llorean: Does mpegplayer fail to play a second video on your Nano?
14:22:46	Llorean	linuxstb: No, it plays.
14:22:58	cadu	hello guys, just made a battery benchmark on my gigabeat F20, where do i have to drop it so you guys can use?
14:23:20	ompaul	date today might help
14:23:22	markun	cadu: there is a wiki page, don't know the exact name
14:23:28	Llorean	linuxstb: Though I think whatever the problem that affects the gigabeat is there, because my Sansa froze immediately after exiting mpegplayer once, but then after reboot played 4 times in a row no problem
14:23:59	Llorean	But the consistent 'data abort' is gone, I believe
14:25:00	cadu	it played for 14h7m , is it okay ?
14:26:06	roolku	cadu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatRuntime
14:26:55	cadu	roolku, how do i edit it ?
14:28:37	cadu	i just wanna send the runtime :) by the way i'm also starting to create the new portuguese-brazil translation for rockbox
14:28:52	markun	nice
14:28:59	Llorean	linuxstb: Okay, scratch that, apparently I can't play two videos in a row now.
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14:29:23	Llorean	I did it once after you asked, but it just gave me a black screen on the third play, and now the second play is always a black screen after rebooting.
14:29:31	roolku	cadu: use the edit link at the bottom left (if you are not registered see first paragraph here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome)
14:30:21	linuxstb	Llorean: Yes, that's what I get. Is that just the Nano, or the gigabeat as well?
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14:30:37	Llorean	linuxstb: Let me just update the build on my gb
14:30:50	Nico_P	wow seeing the topic I just bought a Zune on ebay :D
14:31:15	Nico_P	I can't wait to run rockbox 3.0 on it !
14:31:35	JdGordon	hehe Nico_P :)
14:32:16	Nico_P	:) I was sad not to see an april news on the site
14:32:41	Llorean	linuxstb: 12989 runs multiple videos in a row on my sansa just fine, though
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14:34:04	linuxstb	So it works on your Sansa, but not the Nano?
14:34:09	Llorean	linuxstb: Sansa and Gigabeat both play multiple movies fine, not the Nano
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14:34:53	linuxstb	Hmm... I wonder if the video thread is actually running on the COP on the Sansa then...
14:35:07	Llorean	The video thread is doing SOMETHING funny
14:35:16	Llorean	I just plugged in USB on my gigabeat and instead of seeing a USB logo, I see a video
14:35:34	Llorean	specifically the last one I had played, in slow motion
14:35:57	linuxstb	That's been mentioned before I think... Maybe we should add a list of known bugs to the PluginMpegplayer wiki page, so we don't lose track of them all.
14:36:48	Llorean	Well, the thing was, I was in the filebrowser.
14:36:54	Llorean	Unless I bumped "right" as I plugged in the cable
14:38:04	Llorean	linuxstb: If the videothread weren't on the COP on the Sansa, wouldn't performance be considerably worse than it is?
14:38:48	linuxstb	Probably, yes. But the LCD update on the Sansa is much faster than other targets IIUC - it's a hardware blit.
14:39:23	Llorean	Ah, because I get close to the performance of my Nano on my Sansa already
14:39:38	linuxstb	So I wouldn't have expected it to be slower than the Photo, although there is the possible overhead of rotating the screen.
14:39:49	Llorean	Aaah
14:40:35	Llorean	I don't recall the video dropping a lot of frames when the audio dropped out though. Would that be expected?
14:41:19	Llorean	But then, just memory.
14:41:22	linuxstb	I'm not sure...
14:41:27	Llorean	Any way to test what core it's on?
14:41:55	Llorean	Actually... I'm trying to remember if my Sansa did the data aborts.
14:44:37	Llorean	linuxstb: With a day old build, it gets the data aborts, same as the Nano
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14:46:04	linuxstb	OK, that's expected, but doesn't prove the thread is running on the COP, just that Rockbox is compiled with dual-core support.
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14:46:43	Llorean	Yeah, but Rockbox continues operating, and OS Stacks shows the thread on (1) at least
14:47:02	Llorean	Also, now that I've put 989 back on it again, it's showing the expected "You can only play one video per boot" behaviour now.
14:48:04	Llorean	I wonder if it's similar to what causes the rare freeze-on-exit on my Gigabeat? If that freeze were on core 2, it wouldn't interfere until you tried to launch another video on the PortalPlayers.
14:48:18	Llorean	Whoops, now I played 2 videos in a row again. It's not consistent, whatever it is.
14:48:34	Llorean	3rd video did it this time. =/
14:51:10	Llorean	Alright, the Nano consistently fails after 1 video, the Sansa locks up after an arbitrary number, but still shows the "Shutting Down" splash when I try.
14:51:19	linuxstb	Llorean: You could try replacing "delay" in line 934 of mpegplayer.c with "PROCESSOR_ID&0xff" - that value should tell us what thread the Sansa's video thread is running on.
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14:52:03	linuxstb	(85 is the main CPU, 170 is the COP)
14:52:23	Llorean	I'm betting on the COP, but I'll give it a go.
14:52:31	linuxstb	(and enable Show FPS obviously...)
14:53:11	linuxstb	I would probably bet on COP as well, but it's confusing why it's behaving differently to the Nano (and my Photo).
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14:55:13	*	amiconn reclaimed 63KB of RAM on the player :)
14:56:04	markun	amiconn: unicode related?
14:56:09	amiconn	yes
14:56:11	markun	nice
14:56:37	amiconn	Since the player cannot support dbcs anyway, I reduced the codepage buffer size from 64KB to 1KB
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14:57:10	markun	:)
14:57:31	Llorean	linuxstb: 170
14:59:02	linuxstb	Llorean: OK... BTW, I've just played 5 or 6 videos in succession on my Photo...
14:59:18	preglow	amiconn: dbcs?
14:59:29	amiconn	double byte character set(s)
14:59:34	preglow	ah, right
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15:00:13	preglow	yeah, i see you've put down a ton of work on the player lately
15:00:21	preglow	not my preferred target... ;)
15:00:39	Llorean	linuxstb: I'm not surprised by that, I was expecting to be able to on my Nano if I kept trying
15:01:44	Llorean	linuxstb: Really the only difference between my Sansa's behaviour and my what my Gigabeat's been doing fairly recently is that the Gigabeat freezes as you quit, and the Sansa seems to freeze when you start a file.
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15:12:54	pixelma	Nico_P: with the latest version of the tokenizer patch applied to recent svn (about 1 hour ago) my M5 hangs... tried with 2 different wps - it seems to happen when it tries to actually load the metadata, the "structure" of the wps is didplayed alright
15:13:14	pixelma	*displayed
15:16:12	XavierGr	damn it! USB OTG on my H300 broke again :(
15:17:32	pixelma	I guess it's the same reason (or at least is related) to the garbage I see for a split second in place of the tags that I got when testing on the Ondio
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15:20:45	amiconn	hmm
15:21:02	*	amiconn wonders why his commit reduced binsize for all targets ...
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15:21:56	Nico_P	pixelma: I'll heva a look
15:24:23	*	amiconn found it...
15:26:05	markun	amiconn: oops? :)
15:26:11	amiconn	Sorta
15:26:30	amiconn	Not including config.h means HAVE_LCD_BITMAP is always undefined...
15:26:42	XavierGr	I will try a little surgery on my H300 again, this time I am going to disable the overcurrent chip of ISP1362
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15:33:44	kramdra	anyone know what source file the WPS/ui code is in?
15:34:12	Nico_P	kramdra: apps/gui/gwps.c and apps/gui/gwps.c
15:34:23	kramdra	thanks
15:34:24	Nico_P	oops
15:34:33	Nico_P	the second one is gwps-common.c
15:38:03	markun	linuxstb: I have a file which isn't in sync on the player (but fine in mplayer), do you want to have (a part of) it?
15:39:07	Nico_P	pixelma: could you try it with the latest version of the patch ? (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6862#comment14339)
15:39:44	JdGordon	amiconn: back on viewports... are you going to allow a Z-order? so we can stack them?
15:39:46	Nico_P	maybe it won't help but at least I'll be sure I'm not hunting an already corrected bug
15:39:47	Llorean	markun: Is it out of sync from the start of the file, or more out of sync over time?
15:40:14	amiconn	JdGordon: No z-order, just rectangular areas for drawing
15:40:26	amiconn	If they overlap, the result will be undefined
15:40:47	amiconn	(well, not undefined, just the viewport that draws last will win)
15:40:57	JdGordon	do you know how your planning on updating the screen? maybe a Z-order wont be so hard to implement?
15:41:12	JdGordon	I have exactly 1 idea which would need this :p
15:41:40	pixelma	Nico_P:will try but the report might follow a little later then...
15:41:45	markun	Llorean: I think it might be from the start, but it's hard to tell as there in no dialogue the first few seconds
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15:42:17	Nico_P	pixelma: no hurry... I might not be able to continue looking for long anyone
15:42:23	Nico_P	I'll check the log when I come back
15:42:28	amiconn	A z-order would be very hard to implement without separate bitmap buffers. It would require checking bounds against all viewports where without it the viewport only needs to check its own bounds
15:42:33	markun	Llorean: at 18 seconds into the file I hear talking and it's already out of sync
15:43:20	JdGordon	amiconn: couldnt you just update the rect of the lowest vp first? then move up the order?
15:43:46	Llorean	markun: Just to be sure, you haven't accidentally turned framerate limiting off, right?
15:43:49	amiconn	Update will just update the specified viewport
15:43:55	markun	Llorean: no, just checked
15:44:11	markun	Llorean: other files also still play fine
15:44:12	amiconn	That has nothing to do with z order
15:44:33	JdGordon	hmm.... ok
15:44:38	amiconn	Since all viewports draw to the same framebuffer, each drawing operation would need checking against all stacked viewports
15:45:20	Llorean	markun: It's too bad there's no audio to hear at the start. =/
15:45:46	markun	Llorean: while I was experimenting I converted the original avi to mkv. mkvmerge warned me that there was garbage at the beginning and it would delay the audio to account for that.
15:46:13	markun	Maybe the mpg has an initial delay for the audio which we should take into account?
15:46:30	Llorean	mpegplayer is supposed to take into account that sort of delay, I think
15:47:13	Llorean	There have been two cases already where linuxstb has made changes for 'initial avdelay'
15:47:32	markun	well, it looks like he might make more changes :)
15:47:39	Llorean	Indeed
15:47:42	markun	I have to go now. Talk to you later.
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15:53:04	XavierGr	hmm good news is that reading the datasheet of ISP1362 chip, overcurrent protection can be disabled by software, so in the end if Rockbox ever support USBOTG my H300 will be able to work normally
15:56:52	kramdra	why does OCP need to be disabled?
15:58:04	XavierGr	my USB OTG chip is flacky or an internal connection is missoldered
15:58:18	XavierGr	send the unit 2 time in germany and they failed tofix it
15:58:40	XavierGr	then I managed to temporarily fix it by myself, but I don't know how exactly I did that :P
15:59:03	XavierGr	whenever I connect the USB OTG cable the OF displays an overcurrent warning
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16:01:14	roolku	34 lines corrupt the 8, 35 lines also corrupts the letter O
16:01:45	roolku	no (visible) problem on target, but who knows what memory areas are affected there
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16:53:48	Lear	Man, that's quite a topic. :) One item would've been enough...
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17:13:58	kramdra	very basic c question, have i done this right? http://paste-it.net/1789/raw/
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17:15:10	Lear	Nope, no "automatic" string concatenation in C. See functions like strcpy and strcat.
17:15:41	Lear	Also, mp3e is never set.
17:16:52	kramdra	would i need to copy mp3e similar to "rb = api;"
17:17:09	XavierGr	yay surgery was a success! :D
17:17:37	XavierGr	well I didn't manage to disable overcurrent protection but at least USB OTG seems to work again...
17:18:09	Lear	Ah, that kind of surgery... :)
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17:20:52	XavierGr	lear, don't tell me you thought a real surgery :P
17:21:48	Lear	Well, I usually associate the word "surgery" with the medical kind... :)
17:22:03	XavierGr	not in this channel :D
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17:22:39	XavierGr	well I am not completely satisfied with it, if I fiddle with USB OTG a lot again I think it will break again
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17:23:03	*	XavierGr can't wait for Rockbox USB OTG support and disable from software overcurrent protection
17:24:37	XavierGr	in the end I managed to clear the dirty screen too :P
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17:28:30	Doug2	has anybody ripped apple lossless files with itunes and then used dbpoweramp to convert them to LC AAC and had them successfully play?
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17:29:16	Doug2	i've tried this, and it seems that rockbox is failing to read the tags or play the files, even though they play fine and the tags show up fine in itunes
17:29:44	Doug2	also, once i try to play one of these files, rockbox will not successfully play any other songs on the ipod until it is restarted
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17:30:38	Doug2	it tries to play it and it seems it reads all of the tags successfully, but just sits at play with the time not ticking away
17:30:47	Llorean	Doug2: You'd basically need to file a bug report with a small sample file that doesn't play so someone can check it and see what's wrong with it.
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17:31:54	Doug2	do you know of a program that will let me shorten the song to make the file smaller?
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17:32:38	Llorean	No, I don't use the Apple formats.
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17:33:38	Doug2	ok, thanks, i'll search around and see what i can find
17:34:06	Llorean	Doug2: Before you go through the trouble, you are using an up to date build, right?
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17:36:03	Doug2	yes, it's actually my girlfriends ipod. when i gave her the songs and they didn't work, that's the first thing that i did. updated the boot loader and the firmware last night
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17:36:26	Drak	Alright. I've probably missed it in the manual, but so far, the only option for adding more music to your player is using iTunes to add it, then updating the database.
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17:36:47	Llorean	Drakonik: What do you mean?
17:37:07	Llorean	Drakonik: You can add music to your player by any method that can move audio files from one drive to another
17:37:26	Llorean	And if you don't use something like iTunes that renames them, you have the option of filetree browsing alongside the database.
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17:38:13	Drakonik	I got that impression from talking with others, but I didnt see any..."songs" or "music" folder. I've also never found how to browse the file system.
17:38:34	Llorean	Drakonik: That option "Files" at the top of the main menu?
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17:38:44	Drakonik	Hm.
17:38:51	Llorean	Drakonik: And the only "songs" or "music" folders would be any you create yourself...
17:39:14	Llorean	That's kinda the whole point of filetree browsing... you see the filetree.
17:39:14	Drakonik	I've played with too much stuff...I think I know what you mean, though.
17:39:17	Drakonik	Yeah.
17:40:08	Llorean	I mean, just put blah.mp3 in D:\, then choose "Files" and you should see it.
17:40:18	Llorean	D:\ being whatever drive your iPod is.
17:40:34	Drakonik	I feel suitably dumber now. I'd kick myself, but I'm too sore.
17:41:01	Llorean	Eh, you get used to how annoyingly limited iTunes is, and you forget things can be simple. :)
17:41:29	Drakonik	Heh.
17:42:05	Drakonik	Oh. While I'm here, I didn't see any way to make the text for all the menus larger.
17:42:12	Drakonik	It looks to be 3 or 4 points.
17:42:14	Llorean	Just pick a larger font.
17:42:18	Drakonik	Hm.
17:42:28	Llorean	And it's twice that size.
17:42:46	Drakonik	Ah. Well, I'm terrible at eye-balling things.
17:43:17	Llorean	Well, I guess it depends on the pixel packing on the LCD, if you want to use "point"
17:43:35	Drakonik	Good point.
17:44:00	Drakonik	My main point is that I'm squinting like friggin crazy.
17:44:43	Llorean	Yeah, and picking a larger font will solve that
17:44:46	Drakonik	Yup.
17:44:56	Drakonik	I'll do it next time I get my hands on my ipod.
17:45:08	Drakonik	I'm done being dumb. Thanks for the help.
17:45:24	Drakonik	And I'll probably be back soon.
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17:49:29	pixelma	Nico_P: that new version of the tokenizer patch still doesn't work (still a hang on M5)
17:52:54	roolku	no (visible) problem on target, but who knows what memory areas are affected there
17:52:59	roolku	opps
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18:01:40	*	billytwowilly commits a patch that randomly inserts fart noises into songs
18:03:12	*	petur wanted to commit 'code' that enabled a hidden wifi chipset in ipods :)
18:03:31	Xerion	:D
18:04:11	*	Xerion only now notices the topic heh
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18:49:55	sp3iel	agree ehm
18:49:59	petur	?
18:50:52	XavierGr	amiconn: why are you roaring again? :P
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18:57:48	roolku	amiconn: I found a bug where puts_scroll may be called with a y value greater than the size of the scroll[] array leading to font corruption in the WPS
18:58:21	roolku	amiconn: what do you think is the best fix seeing that the size of the array is unknown outside lcd-*.c
18:58:59	amiconn	The scroll code will change soon anyway
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19:01:04	roolku	amiconn: so maybe a hardcoded: if(i < MIN((LCD_HEIGHT+4)/5, 32)) will do for the time being?
19:01:19	roolku	amiconn: on the caller side
19:01:26	amiconn	no
19:01:40	amiconn	I'd rather think the lcd code should do it
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19:02:13	amiconn	Your check wouldn't work for charcell
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19:04:19	roolku	amiconn: okay, so at the start of the function if(y>=SCROLLABLE_LINES) return; as a workaround until viewports are here
19:05:22	andrewy	I'm about to buy an mp3 player for use with rockbox. Do you guys recommend an iriver h3x0, iaudio x5, or something else?
19:06:41	roolku	andrewy: if you don't need recording/radio/spdif get a gigabeat FX0
19:07:28	andrewy	i don't. that has good rockbox support?
19:08:38	roolku	andrewy: I have no complaints, but it is obviously less mature thatn h3x0
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19:11:36	sp3iel	ehm anyone have had such silly error while compiling: ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.got' ; perhaps it's caused by different version of tools i use, binutils-arm 2.17-3
19:11:43	sp3iel	?
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19:14:55	SirFunk	hey, this is a little off topic, but does anyone know any lossless video codecs comperable to flac/wavpack/etc in the audio realm?
19:19:24	pearldiver	theres no such thing, any video in a digital form resembles some sort of a compression
19:20:21	Soap	?
19:20:27	pearldiver	so the quality is being determined by the compression ratio
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19:20:42	SirFunk	pearldiver: even DV?
19:20:43	roolku	SirFunk: there is a windows codec that does it - forgot the name though
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19:20:50	obo	huffyuv??
19:21:10	Soap	there are a handful of lossless video compression techniques out there.
19:21:36	roolku	obo: yes!
19:21:56	idnar	there are probably as many lossless video codecs as lossy
19:22:08	idnar	although most of them are not very well-known
19:22:49	SirFunk	a simple google search didn't come up with much
19:23:15	Soap	what do you need it for, SirFunk ?
19:23:40	SirFunk	i'm a data packrat :-D I have a video of my band playing, and i want to keep around the raw DV but i want it to take up as little space as possible :-D
19:24:18	pearldiver	isnt a dv an already compressed format? :P
19:24:27	SirFunk	uhm.. shrug idk
19:24:30	SirFunk	lol
19:24:36	SirFunk	the files are huge though
19:25:04	pearldiver	well it is
19:25:06	amiconn	dv is mjpeg, i.e. compressed
19:25:19	SirFunk	oh it is, hmm
19:25:21	SirFunk	interesting
19:25:25	SirFunk	didn't know that
19:25:50	SirFunk	i thoguht there was 'lossless mjpeg'
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19:27:03	pearldiver	well
19:27:14	pearldiver	uncompressed YCbCr is the only lossless video i can think of
19:27:50	amiconn	AVI can contain uncompressed video, either RGB or YCbCr
19:28:33	Soap	SirFunk: save it as a 1.5Mbit XviD, you'll never notice the loss.
19:28:51	SirFunk	heh, probably
19:29:26	Soap	or burn it to DVD and pack it away.
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19:33:01	SirFunk	oh wow, huffyuv gets about 2.4:1 ratio.. guess i've never experianced the size of uncompressed video before :-D
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19:41:54	linuxstb	SirFunk: Out of curiousity, how big is your DV file?
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19:42:28	andrewy	anyone know if the gigabeat MEG-F40S is supported? I know the F40 is, but can't find any mention of the F40S
19:42:55	petur	the S is for Silver
19:43:00	petur	(afaik)
19:43:03	andrewy	heh, I see
19:43:06	andrewy	thanks
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20:02:42	z0de	HydraIRC <- IRC for people who like forced quit messages.
20:03:08	petur	hehe
20:03:39	andrewy	they have to get users somehow
20:06:16	z0de	lol
20:07:17	z0de	also i do actually have a question. is there anyway to see how long rockbox has been on since the last charge? (without doing battery bench)
20:08:11	scorche	hydra is actually pretty decent, but lets not get into that here ;)
20:08:29	Soap	forced quit messages <- For people who haven't seen a hex editor.
20:08:44	*	scorche senses much discontent about april fools in the logs
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20:11:50	*	petur gets bored by all that aprilfools crap... most newssites don't even carry a decent article :/
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20:12:27	funky	petur: hehe
20:12:50	petur	no, it was not funny...
20:14:04	funky	read sites from places where today is a normal day
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20:14:33	z0de	Soap: ive seen one and used one but shouldn't have to use one to change a quit message
20:14:55	z0de	any anwsers to my question?
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20:19:58	scorche	Soap: feel free to tell me what bits to change ;)
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20:20:28	Soap	it isn't a plain-text string you can look for?
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20:29:50	scorche	Soap: not that i can see
20:30:04	Soap	rat bastards
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20:32:50	petur	HydraIRC <- written by paranoid programmers
20:33:46	scorche	just one
20:34:32	scorche	and he says that he will remove them when it gets released as 1.0, but i dont see that happening this century....regardless though, i just switched to it from xchat and quite like it
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20:56:49	AceNik	anyone here know how i can setup a http:// or ftp:// address "to my local machine" im behind a router or proxy i guess , my external ip i constant but & my machine ip is also constant , but they both different, im using a gprs connection to use the internet
20:57:22	scorche	and this has what to do with rockbox?
20:57:29	SirFunk	lol
20:58:04	AceNik	well id like to setup cutom builds i make on this server i setup
20:59:06	scorche	we answer rockbox related questions here...not general server questions
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21:00:03	AceNik	fine have it your way, althought t would have bin imple to answer , or forward me to some place , its up to you , thanks
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21:01:21	scorche	and while you can be as mad at me as you want, you could have read the link in the topic to easily find out the rules of this channel without breaking them upon entry
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21:41:13	webguest65	hello
21:41:36	webguest65	can some 1 help me out?
21:42:04	markun	webguest65: what's the problem?
21:42:43	webguest65	o hi
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21:43:10	z0de	ask and people will try
21:43:25	webguest65	i installd the rockbox on my ipod 5g video and i dont know how to run my original os
21:43:40	z0de	as long as its related to rockbox
21:44:18	markun	webguest65: check the wiki, in the ipod section you will find the ipodFAQ
21:44:33	webguest65	ok
21:44:33	markun	with the answers to your question(s)
21:44:38	webguest65	tnx
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21:55:36	WilliamGC	How come the zune isn't listed?
21:56:19	smably	WilliamGC: somebody must have, uh...forgotten :P
21:56:29	smably	[seriously, it's a joke. april fools!]
21:56:43	glulm	haha :)
21:56:46	WilliamGC	Geeks have no sense of humor.
21:57:23	markun	WilliamGC: at least not all of us
21:57:24	glulm	I hope today's fixes are not a joke though.
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21:57:57	WilliamGC	Is the iFP790 patch useable?
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21:58:19	WilliamGC	iRiver's firmware ubersucks.
21:58:22	markun	WilliamGC: not really yet I think
21:58:40	WilliamGC	My iRiver keeps crashing.
21:58:45	markun	there is 1 person working on it and committing things from time to time
21:58:48	WilliamGC	Even after I upgraded.
21:59:47	WilliamGC	Are there any other places for hacked firmware for iFP790?
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22:01:57	Llorean	WilliamGC: Not really. There is a slightly modified version of the iRiver firmware, but it wouldn't do anything about crashes, it just alters the allowed recording bitrates (though it doesn't make much difference)
22:02:17	WilliamGC	Yeah, I tried it, didn't notice any difference
22:02:26	WilliamGC	I'll probably end up getting a new player.
22:02:30	Llorean	The Rockbox port for iFP, I believe, can play MP3 but you can't build it at the moment, it's in-between being compilable last I checked
22:02:50	WilliamGC	Unfortunatly my music collection is all vorbis
22:03:18	movezig	Is vorbis better than mp3?
22:04:32	Llorean	movezig: Depends on which encoder you use.
22:04:37	Llorean	Vorbis is free-er than MP3 at least.
22:05:02	Llorean	WilliamGC: Vorbis might play back, I really don't know. I know he did some optimizations for it.
22:05:27	WilliamGC	I used auVuTu whatever its' called
22:05:42	smably	movezig: what is "better"?
22:07:46	WilliamGC	iRiver has really bad compatibility for all non-standard things.
22:07:52	WilliamGC	It barely even supports Vorbis
22:08:17	Llorean	The iFP supports it particularly bad.
22:08:29	Llorean	If you have a playlist of MP3 and Vorbis files, the Vorbis play at a significantly lower volume
22:09:18	WilliamGC	Yeah
22:09:29	WilliamGC	I don't know why, it's bizzare and annoyin
22:09:55	webguest65	hello i got my ipof 5g wiht rockbox and i dont like the theme. i downloaded a theme but i dont know what to do next, i serach the wiki btw
22:11:20	WilliamGC	Live with it.:)
22:11:30	WilliamGC	I have bigger issues that don't have solutions.
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22:11:58	Llorean	webguest65: In most cases you simply extract the theme directly to your player.
22:12:16	webguest65	in the .rockbox?
22:12:26	Llorean	Basically, look at the folders in the theme zip, and look in the .rockbox folder, and you'll see folders with the same name, you just make sure the files from the zip end up in those folders.
22:13:31	WilliamGC	Which player has the best support?
22:13:59	Llorean	Basically, anything without a PortalPlayer chip is pretty well working
22:14:10	WilliamGC	PortalPlayer?
22:14:12	petur	archos, iriver, iaudio I think
22:14:30	Llorean	petur: iRiver h10 is bad though, gotta be careful about brands
22:14:32	WilliamGC	My iRiver has crappy support, I suppose getting a newer one would be a good idea.
22:14:50	Llorean	WilliamGC: Basically, don't look at the H10, any iPod, or the Sansa e200.
22:14:59	petur	sorry master Llorean
22:15:13	WilliamGC	I heard that a certain format of MP3 tags upsets the iFP790
22:15:34	Llorean	WilliamGC: Many players are upset by bad tags, especially ApeV2 if they don't skip them properly
22:15:43	Hochler	How's the progress with mpegplayer going?
22:15:45	WilliamGC	I don't use ape though
22:16:03	Llorean	petur: Just pointing it out. It'd be sad if someone tried an H10 and thought that was a "good" Rockbox player. :)
22:16:07	WilliamGC	I generally rebuild all of my Mp3s and retag them on download.
22:16:23	Llorean	WilliamGC: Anyway, this channel isn't really about original firmwares
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22:16:41	WilliamGC	You're more helpful then the forum.
22:16:46	Llorean	Hochler: There are still bugs, and they're still getting fixed.
22:17:04	WilliamGC	It has things like iRiver sucks, or questions with no replies.
22:17:09	Llorean	WilliamGC: I'm as helpful as the Rockbox forum, and here like there we try to stay on topic.
22:17:16	WilliamGC	sorry
22:17:21	Hochler	Llorean: Cool, was just curious.
22:17:33	WilliamGC	If I wanted to build the patch, how would I do it in Windows?
22:17:55	Llorean	WilliamGC: It's not really a "patch", it's an entirely new firmware.
22:18:07	Hochler	Llorean: Is there a chance for full-speed 320x240 on the iPod video, or is that out of reach?
22:18:25	Llorean	WilliamGC: You'll have to look into the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page at the rockbox site. But odds are good the iFP build will fail to finish compiling.
22:18:48	Llorean	Hochler: Very, very, very unlikely. In fact, probably impossible unless someone comes up with a way to use the built in chip, which nobody on Rockbox is currently investigating.
22:18:50	WilliamGC	Oh, you have to patch the original firmware to create a backdoor.
22:19:00	Llorean	WilliamGC: Yep, but that's just the 'bootloader'
22:19:11	Llorean	I do believe there's a precompiled version of that on the wiki
22:19:23	Hochler	Llorean: Ah, OK. Thanks.
22:19:49	WilliamGC	I suppose I'll just have to get a new music player.
22:20:57	WilliamGC	I bought 2 Sansa players on EBay for 7 dollars together.
22:21:00	Llorean	Hochler: The iPod's CPU is basically just too slow, and the screen too big. With the original firmware the Broadcom chip does all the video stuff, but there's no documentation for it, and it'd be a very, very lot of work to try to reverse engineer it, for it to only benefit one (or two if you count 5.5G as separate) targets.
22:21:08	WilliamGC	They may either be defective or damaged.
22:21:10	WilliamGC	Oh well
22:21:43	petur	WilliamGC: that was quick ;)
22:21:53	WilliamGC	I got them about an hour ago
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22:22:12	WilliamGC	My best friend took electronics in tech school, if they don't work I'll probably send him one.
22:22:45	Hochler	Llorean: Ah, OK. Will there be a player that can play at full-res and full-speed?
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22:23:23	WilliamGC	Wasn't there an article on Rockbox a few months ago in a tech magazine?
22:23:44	petur	WilliamGC: lots
22:24:33	petur	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox
22:25:34	Llorean	Hochler: My Gigabeat can play 320x240 at 25fps and 320x176 at 30
22:25:53	WilliamGC	It was the Popular Science one.
22:29:25	webguest65	can some 1 give me the link to rockbuy? tnx
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22:29:44	Llorean	webguest65: If you mean "rockboy", I suggest reading the manual
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22:31:07	WilliamGC	haha
22:31:36	webguest65	the rockboy is not in my rockbox plugins. what do i do?
22:31:56	webguest65	cam i download it?
22:32:04	pixelma	maybe read the manual? ;)
22:32:16	JavaMan22	ok
22:32:22	JavaMan22	you need to have a rom file
22:32:28	JavaMan22	.gb or .gbc
22:32:46	JavaMan22	then in your file browser hold the select button and open with rockboy
22:33:03	webguest65	i do i got a gb and gbc rom
22:33:27	JavaMan22	ok then do what i just told you to do
22:33:53	pixelma	you don't have to "open with" just select the .gb(c) like you would play a song
22:33:58	JavaMan22	find your rom file and open with rockboy
22:34:06	JavaMan22	yeh
22:34:11	webguest65	ow ok
22:34:52	webguest65	1 more question. wher do i drop my roms in .rockbox?
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22:35:44	JavaMan22	you dont
22:35:56	webguest65	? i dont?
22:35:59	JavaMan22	you should drop them in any folder actually
22:36:14	JavaMan22	you could put in .rockbox
22:36:17	webguest65	i made a folder named "Gameboy"
22:36:29	JavaMan22	but i think it would be more organized if you made a folder called gameboy yeh
22:36:31	webguest65	in the .rockbox
22:36:41	JavaMan22	anywhere .rockbox or whereever you want
22:36:43	webguest65	kk tnx
22:37:02	JavaMan22	doesnt have to be in .rockbox
22:37:27	pixelma	but .rockbox is not the best place for it as it is hidden by default - just put your gameboy folder in the root
22:37:40	webguest65	ow ok
22:38:18	*	petur curses whoever ported jewels to rockbox. My wife got addicted to it and it now leaves me without a device to test code on :( Yes I know, buy another one ;)
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22:41:28	webguest65	i cant find the roms. do i seach in database?
22:41:29	pearldiver	erm can you hotplug vga?
22:41:37	pearldiver	sorry for offtopic
22:42:24	dionoea	pearldiver: sure
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22:42:46	pearldiver	and its not dangerous?
22:42:53	pearldiver	for equipment
22:43:03	dionoea	people do it all the time ... unless you're talking about inserting the card :)
22:43:17	dionoea	but if it's just the VGA adapter, you should be ok
22:44:00	pearldiver	ok thanks
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22:45:15	webguest65	i cant find the roms on rockbox
22:45:39	pearldiver	dionoea i guess the same thing is true for the dvi connection?
22:46:23	dionoea	yeah (i've never used those but i'm sure people plug them in/out all the time)
22:46:41	petur	webguest65: what extensions did you gave them?
22:46:54	pearldiver	i just grew up with computers around that didnt have over voltage protection heh
22:47:04	petur	webguest65: use .gb or .gbc
22:47:14	pearldiver	i never thought about vga being hotplugable
22:47:20	JavaMan22	webguest
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22:47:39	JavaMan22	make sure your rom files end with .gb or .gbc
22:47:52	*	petur hears echoes
22:47:53	JavaMan22	and make sure you are looking at same place where you placed them :D
22:47:56	pixelma	webguest65: you won't find them in the database browser - you can access them through the file browser ("files" in the main menu) and of they are still in .rockbox you'd have to switch file view to "all"
22:48:04	JavaMan22	i didnt see your line
22:48:34	webguest65	ow tnx guys
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22:49:46	webguest75	sup dude
22:49:51	TofuSCHNITZEL	i would like to know if a specal feature is finally integrated in rockbox
22:50:02	webguest75	wuts that
22:50:18	JavaMan22	i like tofu
22:50:25	webguest75	eww
22:50:27	webguest75	tofu sux
22:50:42	JavaMan22	you suck
22:50:50	webguest75	naw man tofu does
22:51:04	TofuSCHNITZEL	is it possible to put the ipod with rockbox to a usb powerplug, and rockbox is not rebooting but just recharching?
22:51:06	pearldiver	erm?
22:51:09	TofuSCHNITZEL	at last?
22:51:23		Quit webguest75 (Client Quit)
22:51:51	linuxstb	TofuSCHNITZEL: Yes
22:51:59	TofuSCHNITZEL	cool
22:52:03	JavaMan22	really?
22:52:03	TofuSCHNITZEL	but how to use it
22:52:11	JavaMan22	yes tell please :D
22:52:27	linuxstb	Huh? You just plug it in...
22:52:29	webguest65	I got it to work tnx guys
22:52:35	TofuSCHNITZEL	is there a menu setting like (on usb plug do not reboot)
22:52:42	TofuSCHNITZEL	if i put it on a power plug
22:52:43	linuxstb	Or do you mean plug it via USB to a computer?
22:52:46	TofuSCHNITZEL	it is rebooting
22:52:48	TofuSCHNITZEL	and rebooting
22:52:53	TofuSCHNITZEL	and so on
22:52:57	linuxstb	TofuSCHNITZEL: When did you last update Rockbox?
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22:53:04	TofuSCHNITZEL	but i want rockbox to run continously
22:53:08	TofuSCHNITZEL	while recharching
22:53:17	TofuSCHNITZEL	about 5 mins ago
22:53:17	amiconn	Then you either don't use a pure USB power plug, or using an old rockbox build
22:53:37	TofuSCHNITZEL	i have to admit i havent tested it jet
22:53:40	TofuSCHNITZEL	with the new one
22:53:51	TofuSCHNITZEL	i thought there will be an menu option
22:53:53	linuxstb	When did you last update (before 5 mins ago) ?
22:54:05	movezig	good night!
22:54:06	TofuSCHNITZEL	1 week ago
22:54:38	linuxstb	There used to be a bug in Rockbox were it wouldn't correctly distinguish between a USB connection to a power plug, and a USB connection to a computer, but that was fixed a few months ago.
22:55:02	TofuSCHNITZEL	ah
22:55:03	TofuSCHNITZEL	ok
22:55:06	TofuSCHNITZEL	i just
22:55:11	TofuSCHNITZEL	tried it
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22:55:35	TofuSCHNITZEL	rockbox didnt reboot but i could not se if it is really reloading
22:55:49	TofuSCHNITZEL	but maybe there is just a image missing
22:55:55	TofuSCHNITZEL	like the original fw
22:55:59	TofuSCHNITZEL	there is a litte flash
22:56:02	JavaMan22	chopper should have 10 highscores
22:56:03	TofuSCHNITZEL	if its recharching
22:56:11	JavaMan22	and have name entries
22:56:14	TofuSCHNITZEL	whats you highscore in chopper?
22:56:24	JavaMan22	5430
22:56:32	JavaMan22	something like that 5400
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22:57:24	TofuSCHNITZEL	awww
22:57:26	TofuSCHNITZEL	shit
22:57:28	TofuSCHNITZEL	damn
22:57:31	x1jmp	What's the easiest way to convert endianess of 64 bit types on Rockbox as well as on the host?
22:57:38	TofuSCHNITZEL	i only got 1760
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22:58:02	JavaMan22	hehe
22:58:16	TofuSCHNITZEL	ok i will let rockbox running and pluged in
22:58:20		Quit madman_ (Client Quit)
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22:58:52	TofuSCHNITZEL	and we will se if its really recharging (using the power from the powerplug)
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22:59:54	linuxstb	x1jmp: Rockbox ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN and ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN #defines - see autoconf.h in your build directory. There are also some byte-swapping macros in system.h, but only up to 32-bits
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23:00:04	linuxstb	^Rockbox has...
23:00:21	linuxstb	x1jmp: What needs 64-bit byte-swapping?
23:00:49	x1jmp	linuxstb: the dict plugin to hande offsets for the 7-8 GiB wikipedia dump
23:01:04	x1jmp	s/hande/handle
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23:01:10	amiconn	x1jmp: Forget that. You can't have files that big on fat32 anyway
23:01:24	x1jmp	amiconn: they are splitted
23:01:58	x1jmp	amiconn: the offset also defines which file to use
23:02:13	amiconn	Why not just split the address as well in this case?
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23:03:33	TofuSCHNITZEL	cool its really working
23:03:38	x1jmp	amiconn: they should be usable on other devices (no DAPs) as well, so RB is only the exception that uses file splitting
23:03:43	TofuSCHNITZEL	the battery lev raised
23:03:59	*	amiconn wonders who will sacrifice multiple gigabytes for a dictionary on a dap
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23:04:14	amiconn	Okay, with 100GB+ it won't be that much of a problem
23:04:27		Quit madman_ (Client Quit)
23:04:32	*	x1jmp wonders whe needs >20 GiBs for music
23:04:36	TofuSCHNITZEL	but a battery pic with a flash (for recharching) would be good
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23:05:16	amiconn	x1jmp: That's easily exceeded when using a lossless format
23:05:23		Quit madman_ (Client Quit)
23:06:14	BigMac	DOn't know if I am doing anything wrong, but I used playlist>insert to input a cd, then just qued 2 other cds, but the playlist would play one song then change to a different song from the next cd
23:06:19	BigMac	and shuffle was not on
23:06:39	*	linuxstb should stop wasting his time with mpegplayer and get the av300 working with a 160GB disk...
23:06:59	BigMac	linuxstb: woh woh woh lets not be hasty:p
23:07:07	x1jmp	amiconn: I think most people don't use lossless formats, and nevertheless I would use up to 8 GiB for having wikipedia everywhere
23:07:19	BigMac	Your progress with mpegplayer has been astounding
23:07:28	amiconn	linuxstb: There are even 200GB 3.5" hdds available now; unfortunately only sata models afaik
23:07:47	amiconn	Erm, 2.5"
23:08:00	linuxstb	Yes, it seems all the >160GB are SATA only...
23:08:20	JavaMan22	linuxstb why cant brightness work again?
23:08:43	JavaMan22	i want a brightness option real bad :/
23:08:52	JavaMan22	that actually saves battery
23:09:06	TofuSCHNITZEL	i would like a alarm clock that plays music
23:09:21	x1jmp	back to my question to change endianess, do I have to use my own macros for 64 bit types or would some dev just add them for me?
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23:09:38	JavaMan22	well rockbox can resume playback at a time that you set
23:09:38		Quit webguest65 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
23:09:54	JavaMan22	so you already have it tofu
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23:11:29	TofuSCHNITZEL	oh ok
23:12:30	*	petur wonders what 'make tags' does
23:13:05	TofuSCHNITZEL	but the id3 tag editing is not working yet?
23:13:26	Bagder	petur: indexes the sources and makes a TAGS file
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23:15:47	TofuSCHNITZEL	allright thx people
23:16:04	TofuSCHNITZEL	now i love rockbox even more
23:16:17	TofuSCHNITZEL	die apple!
23:16:22	JavaMan22	i second that
23:16:24	JavaMan22	>:o
23:16:32	JavaMan22	except playing mp4s
23:17:26	TofuSCHNITZEL	good night @ all greetings from little austria
23:21:25	JavaMan22	:)
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23:38:16	linuxstb	Llorean: Regarding the latest post in the gigabeat forum - it sounds like the poster can't access the gigabeat anymore - which I think is what happens when the FWIMG01.DAT is invalid....
23:39:16	Llorean	linuxstb: Okay, made it a bit more useful then. :)
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23:40:10	Llorean	linuxstb: I'll admit I wasn't in much mood to help the guy at all, having seen his post on the same issue at the MyGigabeat forums.
23:40:12	linuxstb	Sounds like the gigabeat is the most easily bricked of our targets...
23:40:42	Llorean	Yeah, it really is.
23:42:32	petur	ouch
23:42:42	Llorean	But it's also pretty easy to un-brick.
23:42:59	petur	so it's not really bricked
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23:43:05	Llorean	petur: It requires opening the player
23:43:20	petur	aha
23:43:31	Llorean	I think this is our definition of "brick": Requires opening the player, or special hardware or software tools.
23:43:42	Llorean	So, once you need e200tool, the Sansa is "bricked" in a sense.
23:44:00	Soul-Slayer	Surely though 'brick' should mean 'it has become a brick, therefore totally beyond repair'
23:44:00	petur	fair enough
23:44:09	Llorean	Soul-Slayer: There's no such thing, though.
23:44:23	Llorean	Except grievous hardware damage to the point where repairing it constitutes the purchase of a new player.
23:44:37	Soul-Slayer	Well, 'unable for the average user to repair'
23:44:53	Llorean	I'd say opening the player is beyond the "average" user, as is e200tool. :)
23:45:07	Llorean	Or at least, the "average" user thinks they are.
23:45:18	Soul-Slayer	Fair point.
23:45:44	Llorean	Though I wish people wouldn't say "Rockbox bricked my X" so often
23:46:50	Soul-Slayer	Somewhere there should be bolded, underlined clarification as to its true terminoligy then :p.
23:47:43	Llorean	I think we do have a definition of it, at least for forum use.
23:47:53	Soul-Slayer	Well it needs bolding :p
23:48:09	Llorean	But the problem is, if they do something stupid while installing Rockbox, then it's "Rockbox bricked it" not "I bricked it before I even managed to start Rockbox"
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23:48:18	Soul-Slayer	Lol
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23:49:22	Soul-Slayer	I honestly don't see the instructions hard to follow for any targets
23:51:52	Bagder	the problem is rather the people, not the instructions
23:52:22	Llorean	Many, many people get in a rush and skip over things, or assume things.
23:52:42	Llorean	And it's remarkable how many people completely skip the "Installing the Firmware" section of the manual, and just install a bootlaoder
23:53:33	linuxstb	We should try and help Domonoky get rbutil ready for release - it will solve all sorts of problems...
23:53:59	Llorean	What hurdles are left?
23:54:55	linuxstb	It's just cleaning up, testing and bug-fixing I think... The Mac version needs some work - it compiles and runs, but it could do with some work to make it more "Mac-like".
23:55:25	Llorean	Alright, I'm off.
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