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#rockbox log for 2007-04-01

00:00:18blackninjsorry, i had no idea
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00:02:21fm2Aua! I've just discovered a huge bug in RB!
00:03:33fm2On my h120, while mp3 is playing, it whistles three times and then... I don't know. The music seems to be played back backwards. Like on some Beatles albums
00:04:24fm2Has anyone seen this as well?
00:04:37roolkufm2: it's not a bug, it's a feature - the demonic message feature
00:04:51roolkufm2: only active on April 1st
00:05:26fm2 Ah, yesss! :-))) Greetings to all of you fools! :-)))
00:05:50idnarhahaha
00:06:03davinastill march here ;)
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00:13:54Mouser_XOh wow...
00:14:00Mouser_XInteresting feature.
00:14:05Mouser_XIt's March here as well.
00:15:32blackninjI'm having a hard time finding bootsplash help in the forum
00:16:51kramdrajust wondering but can song info be used by plugins? similar to the stuff that can be put on the WPS screen?
00:17:41kramdracan WPS stuff like current song, next etc.. be used by plugins?
00:17:57kramdracan WPS stuff like current song, next etc.. be used by plugins?
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00:19:40Mouser_Xkramdr: I would think so, but I don't know.
00:19:52BigMacIs there an option to not have backlight shut off in mpegplayer? because that makes no sense for it to keep shutting off
00:21:36perldiverit doesnt shut off here
00:22:01Mouser_XHmmm... I can see how that'd be a big problem...
00:22:37Mouser_XAlso, could an option be added to MpegPlayer that allows you to temporarily increase the brightness of the backlight while it's playing?
00:22:56Mouser_XI intentionally have my light set low to save on battery.
00:23:07Mouser_XJust in case.
00:25:36blackninjcan someone tell me what topic customizing the bootsplash is under in the forums?
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00:25:46BigMacAlright another question, is their any bookmarking/remember place feature working yet
00:25:56Mouser_XI doubt it...
00:26:00Mouser_XIt'd be nice though.
00:26:18BigMacblackninj: there isn't a topic just click search and enter "custom boot screen"
00:26:26Mouser_XActually, for how I plan on using mpegplayer, it'd be *very* nice...
00:26:47blackninjthanks BigMac
00:26:56Mouser_XI plan on watching TV shows on my breaks at work.
00:27:05Mouser_XThey're given in 15 minute bits.
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00:27:15Mouser_XMost of the shows are about 20 minutes...
00:27:18*Kram| slaps kramdr around a bit with a large trout
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00:27:39Mouser_XIf you registered your nick, you could boot them off.
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00:27:48Mouser_XOr that.
00:27:52BigMacMouser_X: Yah but not many people have an hour and a half to sit down in the case of a movie
00:28:00BigMacI have like 20 minute spurts
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00:28:09Mouser_XHmmm.
00:29:12perldiverBigMac backlight should be always on while in mpegplayer
00:31:06BigMacperldiver: Yah I realized it was because I had usb plugged in
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00:32:04perldiveralso connecting usb while in mpegplayer will crash rockbox
00:32:36perldiverconnecting headphones having "pause on headphones disconnect" option will crash it too
00:33:55BigMacI have that option on
00:34:05BigMacI just won't remove my headphones
00:36:57Mouser_XHeh.
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01:28:43RugHowdy all
01:30:29RugIs the 5.5G version of 80GB video Ipod still a no-go?
01:33:22JavaMan22no go it is
01:33:36JavaMan22but ipod linux works on 80gig
01:35:05Rugreally? hmm I might have to look into that then. I bought the ipod expecting to put rockbox on it, but was quite dissappointed to see that it can't/won't work. What are the advantages of linuxPod ?
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01:42:50x1jmpWhere is that wiki page about recommended devices?
01:43:43x1jmpI've seen it once but I can't remember the name, it showed a table and listed advantages of players (storage, runtime, display)
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01:46:06holstanyone know if there is any support for encryption in rockbox?
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01:47:05JavaMan22Rug: ipod linux can basically do anything rockbox can but no one works on it as much as rockbox
01:47:25JavaMan22for rockbox there are updates everyday which i like :D
01:48:02RugJavaMan22: thanks
01:49:44Soapwhat kind of support holst?
01:51:07holstlike cryptsetup in linux
01:51:15holstwhere you encrypt an entire partition
01:51:54holstwhen i start the mp3 player i get to input a password to enable playback
01:52:19holstthe password can be given by using a combination of up,left,right,down and such button presses
01:52:51holsti dont know how much more battery this would "cost"
01:53:07holstbut i know there exits very optimized assembler versions of aes-128
01:53:34holstmaybe blowfish even (very basic algorithm)
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01:59:19holstoh here comes a developer :)
01:59:35JavaMan22:)
02:00
02:00:26JdGordonI wouldnt hold your breath for encyption...
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02:01:16BHSPitMonkeyholst rocks
02:01:29|Rincewind|JdGordon: is it intentional that the first keypress after exiting a plugin does nothing?
02:01:54JdGordonno...
02:01:56JdGordonwhich target?
02:02:03|Rincewind|h120
02:02:12holstBHSPitMonkey: i dont feel safe at the airport with my semi legal mp3 collection :|
02:02:17JdGordonwith svn?
02:02:17Mouser_XIt's happened frequently on the Gigabeat as well.
02:02:44markunamiconn: I'm here now
02:02:46|Rincewind|I haven't tried with the very latest, but 2 days ago it was there
02:02:47Mouser_XI just thought it was a "feature" or something saving, or something.
02:02:55|Rincewind|and one week ago, too
02:02:55linuxstbholst: That kind of feature has been requested and rejected many times - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=password&type=&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=all&date=0
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02:03:36JdGordon|Rincewind|: ok, just puttin svn on my h300 to see what hapopens...
02:03:42BHSPitMonkeyholst, I don't care about your mp3's, and I was referring to a holst who's long dead
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02:04:14markunlinuxstb: I read that there are some problems with my YUV changes, probably a problem with clamping, don't you think?
02:04:36markunI generated the tables, so I could play with that
02:04:40linuxstbmarkun: Maybe, I haven't looked at your commit yet - I'll look now...
02:04:54JdGordon|Rincewind|: does it matter which plugin you exit?
02:05:24roolku|Rincewind| / JdGordon : I have reported this ages ago (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg63323#msg63323)
02:05:42|Rincewind|i haven't tried every plugin, but it seems general
02:05:56|Rincewind|might have to do with action_signalscreenchange() ?
02:06:04markunlinuxstb: but jhMikeS will replace it by a asm implementation anyway
02:06:06roolku|Rincewind|: have a look at the posting
02:06:32SoapIf your MP3 collection is semi legal - fix that issue, don't request a band-aid.
02:06:51JdGordonah! its this bug again... ok
02:07:08Soapregardless, are you expecting a lawyer to stop you an issue a supoena at the airport?
02:07:34Mouser_XIf worse comes to worse, you can format your player.
02:07:39Mouser_XWho's to know then?
02:08:06|Rincewind|roolku: that's the problem, yes
02:08:21SoapCopyright is a civil, not criminal issue. All the airport security in the world don't give a rat's-hiney about your infringement, though you shouldn't talk of it here as infringers don't belong here.
02:08:49linuxstbmarkun: Do you mean clamping of the input values? i.e. YCbCr generated by libmpeg2?
02:09:29perldivermarkun there's too much green now :P
02:09:32holst"long dead"? :)
02:09:49|Rincewind|has someone here tested mpgplayer on h1xx?
02:10:05markunperldiver: do you have a short movie for me to test my fix with?
02:10:14Soapholst: see "The Planets", etc.
02:10:14linuxstb|Rincewind|: I wouldn't go as far to say "tested", but I've run it...
02:10:41perldivermarkun 25mb, would that be ok?
02:10:48markunperldiver: yes
02:10:51|Rincewind|is it realtime (how many frames?)
02:11:01perldivermarkun would you accept dcc?
02:11:16linuxstbperldiver: Does connecting/disconnecting the headphone also crash other plugins which claim the audio buffer? e.g. the JPEG viewer (with large pictures) or Doom?
02:11:17JdGordonroolku: |Rincewind|, i think I may have found the proper fix....
02:11:29perldiverlinuxstb i never tried actually
02:11:29markunlinuxstb: yes, the input values (to prevent y - 16 to be negative for example)
02:11:44linuxstbmarkun: Yes, that seems to be needed.
02:11:50markunperldiver: I'll make a patch, if it works you can first try it, ok?
02:11:53roolkuJdGordon: cool
02:12:03perldivermarkun so you dont want the video?
02:12:11markunperldiver: not now
02:12:16perldiveri can test the patch no problem then
02:12:35JdGordonjust waiting for the full make to finish... but I think its because action_signalscreenchange is after the button_clear_queue call
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02:14:03JdGordonyep :)
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02:14:37perldiverlinuxstb just tested it, it doesn't
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02:16:44linuxstbperldiver: With what plugin?
02:16:55perldiverboth mentioned
02:17:28linuxstbOK, thanks...
02:17:37JdGordonroolku: |Rincewind|, fix commited
02:17:49|Rincewind|thanks
02:18:23roolkuthanks
02:18:59perldiverlinuxstb it doesnt literally crash it when you plug the headphones. the videos goes into slow motion with all buttons locked
02:21:57JavaMan22i think the view partition in debug should display if its a fat32 or linux part i dont understand the numbers
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02:30:26markunperldiver, linuxstb: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/yuv_update2.diff
02:32:11perldiveron it
02:32:12markunlooks like the code is a bit slower though..
02:32:20markunbut I'm not sure
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02:37:13markunperldiver: and?
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02:37:43shoepainterhe i seee they have a new gigabeat s port
02:37:44perldivergive me a few
02:37:55Soapshoepainter: who?
02:37:57markunshoepainter: who has?
02:38:03markunSoap: damn :)
02:38:16Soapmarkun: You used more words, thus I won.
02:38:23shoepainteron the web site it
02:38:36markunshoepainter: do you have a link?
02:38:41shoepainterno
02:38:47shoepainterits in development
02:38:56shoepaintersoory if i got u excited
02:39:08shoepainterunder new ports
02:39:17markunshoepainter: well, I didn't believe you anyway :)
02:39:30markunso don't worry about getting be too excited :)
02:40:09Soapso what was the color noise issue with mpeg player?
02:40:25shoepainterit has two acually "Tatuga Elio TPJ-1022" and "Gigaeat S (S30 S60)"
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02:40:33linuxstbmarkun: Why did you choose to make the arrays int, and not (e.g.) uint8_t/int8_t ?
02:40:34Soapdid you switch away from the standard MPEG YUV->RGB conversion?
02:41:04markunlinuxstb: could do that yes
02:41:29linuxstbmarkun: I think using 8-bit types will be faster - it means you don't need to multiple *ysrc by 4 to get the index.
02:43:04markunlinuxstb: but I will not 'waste' too much time on it if jhMikeS can speed it up a lot with his asm version
02:43:09shoepainterI cant wait until the Gigabeat S gets ported (Icant stand WMP)
02:43:55markunshoepainter: *if* it ever gets ported of course
02:44:08shoepainterquick question I have WMP ver. 2.11 (gigabeat S60) is that the latest
02:44:16linuxstbshoepainter: I thought you could drag-and-drop audio files to MTP devices ?
02:44:46shoepainteryou can drag and drop
02:45:27linuxstbSo why do you need WMP?
02:46:25markunperldiver: yes, don't let me waiting too long :)
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02:48:37perldiverim compiling
02:48:50markuncygwin?
02:49:24perldiveryes
02:50:15markunpoor guy :)
02:51:16perldiveri know :P
02:51:31perldivergive it 15 min
02:51:32Soaphaha - Soap beats someone in compiling?
02:51:37markun15??
02:51:59markunmaybe you should try vmware, I heard it's faster
02:52:12perldivereverybody says that
02:52:44perldiverits not really _that_ faster
02:53:04linuxstbIt would probably be quicker to compile on the gigabeat....
02:53:20Soapyea, it is that much faster than cygwin.
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02:53:50perldiverlinuxstb ha
02:54:05markunperldiver: how much faster was it for you? And why did you stop using it?
02:54:07perldiveri got used to it
02:54:17perldiver(to cygwin)
02:54:30markunperldiver: well, I want to know if my patch work and then go to sleep..
02:55:01scorcheVMware really is much faster than cygwin..
02:55:44perldiveri need to set it again probably
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03:00:29perldiverhow long does it take on vmware? lets say on something like p4
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03:01:13|Rincewind|I just timed a clean build on my ubuntu 1.2ghz pc. It took 5min 16 sec
03:01:44|Rincewind|athlon xp
03:02:17perldiverhmm
03:02:19perldiver:P
03:02:50|Rincewind|I guess a modern pc with 3ghz can do it in 2-3 min
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03:03:19scorchethat is around what it takes me
03:03:33scorchealthough, i am dual-core 2.2
03:03:51|Rincewind|i did a sim-build, if that matters
03:04:17scorchewe, i was referring to the 2-3min and that is on vmware
03:04:23scorches/we/well
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03:05:03w0lfiehey all
03:05:23w0lfiei am looking at doing something for FR4935 as i reckon it would be a pretty cool feature
03:05:26|Rincewind|If I remember correctly vmware wasn't that much worse than what I get now when I used it myself
03:06:18w0lfiei have a question about accurate timing, is there an existing plugin that deals with this?
03:06:27w0lfiewould the stopwatch be a good place to start?
03:07:01markunw0lfie: sorry, don't know
03:07:21w0lfiemarkun: sweet as...hopefully some does :)
03:07:44linuxstbw0lfie: The standard timer in Rockbox is 100Hz - do you need higher precision than that?
03:07:44|Rincewind|what really bugs me is that it takes 30 secs to build even when I don't change code
03:07:50w0lfiedoes anyone know if HZ is an accurate second or does it fluctuate?
03:08:53markunperldiver: what's the ETA?
03:09:07linuxstbmarkun: Can you give perldiver a binary?
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03:09:35w0lfielinuxstb: well, potentially yes. if someone is wanting to do 180 beats per minute, then there is going to be a slight timing error
03:09:37perldiverdone
03:09:49markunlinuxstb: damn, could have done that of course :)
03:11:12w0lfielinuxstb: perhaps you won't actually be able to hear the difference? i'm really not sure without playing around
03:11:24linuxstbw0lfie: In which case, you probably need to use the user timer - you can use this to call a function N times per second. metronome.c uses it (search for rb->timer_ to see examples)
03:11:43perldiverlet's see
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03:13:16w0lfielinuxstb: oh...haha. looks like someone has already beat me to it :)
03:13:26perldiverwell
03:13:31perldiver"green" is still there
03:13:38markunweird
03:13:39perldiverits first 2 or so frames for me
03:13:46perldivergreen "blur"
03:13:54markunwell, will have to look at it some other time
03:14:19Topic"Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | Everyone be sure to welcome the Zune and Nano 2nd Gen to the list of supported targets! | Finally! Version 3.0 released!" by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
03:14:20markunperldiver: you rebooted after unzipping, right?
03:14:26linuxstbperldiver: That effect normally happens with badly encoded files - i.e. not starting with an I frame.
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03:14:45markunscorche: ah, it's that date again..
03:14:52perldivermarkun of course
03:15:00scorchemarkun: i havent the faintest idea of what you are talking about
03:15:03JdGordon??? what date?
03:15:06perldiverlinuxstb well yes, but that didnt happen before markun's update
03:15:13JdGordonim running rockbox on my zune now...
03:15:18perldiverlol
03:15:40markunanyway, good night
03:15:44perldivernight
03:15:51perldiverid put that on the main page for that matter
03:16:06scorcheperldiver: Bagder has to wake up first ;)
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03:16:20|Rincewind|or a dummy svn commit?
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03:17:07Topic"Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | Everyone be sure to welcome the Zune (be sure to thank the ZuneLinux project) and Nano 2nd Gen to the list of supported targets! | Finally! Version 3.0 released!" by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
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03:17:38scorcheehehe
03:17:54w0lfieis anyone here running an iaudio x5 60g? if so, are there any complaints about them?
03:18:47*jhMikeS thinks he shouldn't answer that
03:19:02w0lfieare you not a fan?
03:19:22jhMikeSa fan of the sound big time, not of the company.
03:20:29w0lfieahh right. with the company aside, do you think it is a decent player?
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03:21:16jhMikeSyes, if it never needs repair. probably especially wannanty repair. mine was sent out with a simple joystick problem and they messed it up twice.
03:21:56jhMikeSso aside from the company being a bunch of dills, it's the best sounding player I've heard so far.
03:22:40w0lfiehahah. good to hear :)
03:22:52perldiverits a great sounding player, yes, but somehow i prefer gigabeat
03:23:03w0lfiei have heard that from a few people about them being really awesome sounding
03:23:13jhMikeSI'd put Gigabeat a close 2nd to the x5
03:23:23w0lfiei was originally going to buy a gigabeat f20 but everywhere had sold out
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03:24:37w0lfiei do like the idea of the pad instead of joystick but oh well
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03:27:05perldivergigabeat was never an easy player to find in stores
03:27:16perldiverbut plenty of them on ebay
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03:27:42jhMikeSw0lfie: well, that joystick might get you. I'm not the only one around here that had it break.
03:28:15jhMikeSso if you send it in for that they might trash your battery when you sent it to them second time cause they broke the usb controller :P
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03:31:35w0lfiehaha wow, it sounds like you got properly fucked around :)
03:32:46jhMikeSyou bet...one thing, check the serial number as read by rockbox. write it down, and save it. I wish I had implemented that before sending it to them.
03:33:36jhMikeSIt's under System|Debug|HW Info
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03:34:22jhMikeSlet's just say I might have been able to cause them major legal trouble if I had that number
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03:35:21perldivertheres no serial number on the player itself?
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03:40:35jhMikeSirrelevant. it reads the chip on the main board...which they told me they replaced but the joystick still isn't quite right.
03:41:12perldiverah i see
03:41:20jhMikeS...so if I had that number before sending it in, I could have verified their claim...if it were the same then bam :)
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03:50:30*jhMikeS wants to know why he can't find a menu key in the ipod-color sim for jpeg viewer
03:53:31JdGordonhold swicth iirc...
03:54:19jhMikeSthat just seems to toggle the hold button :P
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04:09:09ablaze`hi folks
04:09:32ablaze`i would like to hear the sansa e200 while i hear some mp3s
04:09:39ablaze`how can i do that ?
04:10:08ablaze`while it charges
04:10:14ablaze`sry for my english
04:10:14ablaze`^^
04:10:33ablaze`lol
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04:11:43jhMikeSargh...the menu there is a combo...:p
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04:14:42ablaze`yeah
04:14:46ablaze`but which combo?
04:14:47ablaze`^^
04:15:14ablaze`nobody else have a sansa in here?
04:15:27ablaze`sry, i hope thiis is the right englich
04:15:28SoapI'd like to believe they would have mapped the top button to be the one you hold while inserting the cable
04:15:30ablaze`x_X
04:15:31jhMikeS5+.=select+menu
04:15:43Soapwhen I say the top button, I mean the one in the 12 o'clock position.
04:15:53Soapregardless, should be in the menu.
04:16:13Soaps/menu/manual
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04:16:34JdGordonablaze`: are you talking about talking menus?
04:16:35ablaze`>|| << this one? :D
04:16:54ablaze`i just want to hear some music while the sansa charges
04:17:45JdGordonhold the record button (or power) while u plug the usb cable in.... I tihnk
04:18:15ablaze`yes i know, but this doesnt work
04:18:26ablaze`anymore...
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04:20:57ablaze`and now? :(
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04:25:21darkshadow_Hey.
04:26:23darkshadow_I'm having a problem after I updated to the latest firmware. For all the plugins it says "Incompatible version" and when I try to play mp3's, it says codec failure.
04:26:46darkshadow_I went to the archives to find an older version, but that did the same thing.
04:26:53darkshadow_I have an H120, by the way.
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04:28:04JdGordonyou need to unzip the whoel file
04:28:10JdGordonnot just the rockbox. file
04:28:26darkshadow_Ahh...
04:28:29Soaparen't the new versions /just/ a .rockbox folder?
04:28:47Soapwith the rockbox.iriver file inside the directory?
04:29:09darkshadow_I noticed that it was just one file in the zip now, but didn't think of that.
04:30:16darkshadow_So I should just copy rockbox.iriver from the .rockbox folder into the main folder on my player?
04:31:05Soapnah, you should delete the rockbox.iriver file from the root of your player.
04:31:19Soapand tell me if that fixes your problems.
04:31:25darkshadow_ah, okay.
04:32:47darkshadow_Now rockbox is gone. ;)
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04:36:44Soapthere isn't a rockbox.ipod file inside your .rockbox directory?
04:37:47darkshadow_Not in this build. I have iriver.
04:38:06SoapI honestly ment .iriver
04:38:32darkshadow_ah.
04:39:44darkshadow_Yeah, there is.
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04:42:15darkshadow_Is there a document or something about the change not to include rockbox.iriver in the main zip file?
04:44:26Soapit IS included, it is just in the .rockbox folder now.
04:44:29Soapfor neatness.
04:44:51darkshadow_ah
04:45:15darkshadow_So now you just have to take it out of the folder and put it in the root?
04:46:04Soapno, it should be fine where it is.
04:46:11Soapyour bootloader should find it there.
04:46:41darkshadow_Do I have to update the bootloader or anything?
04:47:54BigMacSoap: I thought the bootloader background was black with white text, mine seems to be the old one with pale blue and black text
04:48:11Soapon your ipod?
04:49:26BigMacSoap: On my gigabeat
04:50:06SoapI don't know if, nor why, the bootloaders between targets would change colour schemes at similar times.
04:50:23SoapMy gigabeat is black on blue, but it's not the latest one I know that.
04:54:08Llorea1The Gigabeat bootloader is still black on blue, yes.
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04:54:46jhMikeSoy, can't seem to control the mpeg player at all on gigabeat...I wonder if it's because I plugged the phones while playing...no sound and no keys
04:55:37LloreanjhMikeS: If you have the "pause on earphones removal" option enabled, it seems to crash it yes
04:55:51LloreanOr at least so I hear.
04:55:53jhMikeSI might
04:56:20jhMikeSit's also running slow as a result so it appears threads are hanged
04:56:24LloreanYeah
04:56:30LloreanThat's the most common "crash"
04:57:08jhMikeSthat's gotta be fixed...too nasty. all I wanted to do was whip up some ARM code for it :P
04:57:42jhMikeSwill it quit when the movie is finished or do I have to reset my clock AGAIN? :)
04:58:38LloreanUm
04:58:39LloreanIt varies
04:58:47LloreanIf your MPEG stream has the right ending, it'll quit.
04:58:59LloreanWhen it quits, there's a SMALL chance the video thread will hang.
04:59:34LloreanMy videos don't end, when the file finished playing it continues playing data from the previous run through the buffer.
04:59:41SoapLlorean: and ffmpeg isn't writing the eof?
04:59:49LloreanSoap: Well, that *might* not be the problem
04:59:58LloreanEverything else I have plays the files fine, and stops at the end.
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05:00:10Soapditto
05:00:10LloreanLinuxstb gave me a "the problem might be..." response.
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05:03:33toffe82jhMikeS: the other day you were talking about the lcd of the gigabeat, you gave access to a microscope, I can send you a broken lcd if you want
05:03:43jhMikeSXavierGr: Of course...I'll probably just pinch some of the DSP code I did. Also, the yuv stuff is emac already
05:04:14toffe82have access ^^
05:04:45jhMikeStoffe82: We can see the die itself? If so, it might have something there, or else I might need something harsher to remove and covering.
05:05:19*Soap is curious what a microscope can tell you about a LCD...
05:05:35toffe82there is a black bar one mm large by 2cm long more or less, the chip must be under
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05:05:58toffe82I didnt try to take off this part
05:05:59jhMikeSIf the chip die is exposed or exposeable, there's usually microscopic lettering on them.
05:06:25jhMikeSIf we can do that...perhaps a circuit diagram for that :P
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05:08:00EnR_NWhy is the menu styling different from the photo in the video ipod
05:08:02jhMikeSIn many instances, I think it's nitric acid that can remove any plastic cover and leave the silicon untouched
05:08:27toffe82jhMikeS: the mark I see on one side are : 64A-R12 m0220
05:08:57toffe82and another one FH2185T
05:09:27toffe82I think tht the black part is a radiator, I will try to take it off but not time now
05:09:36LloreanEnR_N: It's possible the Manual is out of date.
05:09:44EnR_NIt seems the in the systems settings there is no longer a "start screen" option, so it starts in the file browser −− meaning i cannot access the database/recording/resume playback options
05:10:03LloreanEnR_N: No, that's not the case.
05:10:06jhMikeSI'd still like a microscope on the die to see what's printed there...gotta be possible
05:10:09LloreanEnR_N: Are you using an official build?
05:10:24EnR_NYes- the latest
05:10:29toffe82jhMikeS: but I think I will not see more the last inscription is on the opposite side of the first one , I see it by transparence and it is reverse
05:10:32EnR_Ndownloaded last thursday
05:10:54EnR_Nthe main menu is the same as the one displayed in the manual
05:10:59LloreanEnR_N: The "latest" should never be said about a build unless it was downloaded in the last 5 minutes.
05:11:03toffe82jhMikeS: I can send it to you
05:11:14toffe82lunch time, see you later
05:11:16LloreanEnR_N: What gave you the impression that there have been no updates since thursday?
05:11:20EnR_Nwell ... I saw no updates in the news ^_^ though thats good to know
05:11:30LloreanEnR_N: Look at the changelog on the front page of the site.
05:11:41jhMikeStoffe82: yeah, I'll take my time on disassembly and see what I can get...wanna be careful to not destroy info
05:12:10w0lfiehas anyone managed to natively build the tools needed to compile rockbox on FreeBSD 6.2-R? the m68k tools won't compile for me
05:12:10EnR_N!~~mmm so active
05:12:11*jhMikeS sees the movie just looping around still
05:12:24jhMikeS...argh...battery switch
05:13:09LloreanjhMikeS: Maybe you could get it to stop at the EOF, independent of the stream itself? :-P
05:14:02jhMikeSI'm guessing playback is receiving messages at a time when it should not have any interaction.
05:14:15EnR_NLlorean: do you know which files the settings for the root menu at startup lie in?
05:14:54Soapbascule should write a wikipage on Tagcache/database. Do a brain-dump. He seems quite good with it.
05:15:14XavierGrjhMikeS, toffe: what are you trying to find?
05:15:24LloreanEnR_N: I still have the Settings->General Settings->System->Start Screen option.
05:15:47jhMikeSXavierGr: info on the lcd controller for gigabeat
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05:16:11LloreanSoap: Definitely. At least he was willing to put together some improvements to the default tagnavi.
05:16:46XavierGrjhMikeS: what's the exact reason for that? it seems that it is working currently (forgive my ignorance)
05:16:54SoapI wouldn't mind playing around with tagcache on my Nano (I have mostly single tracks on it) and he seems to know more than I can find in the documentation on pratical usage.
05:17:21jhMikeSXavierGr: a) maybe it's really a documented part? b) we want to control everything about it; better driver
05:17:46Soapthe idea of better gigabeat performance is scary.
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05:18:04LloreanI would love if that 25 updates per second thing were actually changeable though
05:18:19EnR_NMy main menu is recent bookmarks, general-sound- and manage settings, recording, playlist options, plugins and info
05:18:21darkshadow_By the way, what do you guys use for unzipping?
05:18:26darkshadow_The windows XP archive tool seems to work, but it's quite slow.
05:18:28EnR_Nit says Rockbox main menu on top
05:18:29jhMikeSmy fingers
05:18:31Soaphow does it do 29.97/30 FPS video is the LCD only does 25?
05:18:40EnR_NI can't even access the screen with "general" on it
05:18:43Soapdarkless: 7zip is free and excellent.
05:18:51EnR_N(unlike my photo)
05:19:20XavierGrjhMikeS: I thought b) was done
05:19:20jhMikeSsome frames won't be seen?
05:19:36jhMikeSit's hardly complete
05:20:13LloreanEnR_N: It sounds like you have an outdated build, it really does. Update to the newest OFFICIAL build.
05:20:21EnR_NO . K
05:20:22Soapdo they get dropped gracefully, or randomly lost?
05:20:31LloreanRandomly lost.
05:20:36LloreanAs far as I can tell
05:21:01Soapdidn't pacbox on gigabeat just get changed to 30fps?
05:21:05Lloreanmpegplayer sends them to a framebuffer or something, which the LCD controller automatically updates to the screen 25 times per second, I hear.
05:21:34jhMikeSthe display is interlaced
05:21:37Soapjust curious why that would be commited when the screen can't keep up.
05:21:44EnR_NOh btw- is Senab's COP build any better?
05:22:00SoapEnR_N: senab's builds are over 6 weeks out of date.
05:22:07jhMikeSI think it's 50 fields per second actually
05:22:11LloreanEnR_N: COP support is in the official build, if you're using a "COP" build it could be quite outdated.
05:22:12Soapsix very important weeks.
05:22:31EnR_NYes yes, it is >?
05:22:35Soap2007-02-09 vs 2007-04-01
05:23:09Soapif you _must_ go unsupported, at least go with evilG's
05:23:23Soapbut even his stuff is almost a week old.
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05:25:07DarkshadowOkay, all is well and in working order now, thanks for your help. :)
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05:27:06H10_007quickA version 3 is being released?!
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05:29:33Soapit's running a few hours behind. The flurry of activity around the Nano 2nd generation release is clogging the build servers.
05:30:13H10_007quickWhy is there no anouncements on the front page?
05:30:30JdGordonthe relevant person isnt awake yet
05:30:45H10_007quickNo one else can do it?
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05:31:17H10_007quickOr have the files still not been put into svn yet?
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05:32:28EnR_NYeah . Im using the one downloaded on 3/29
05:32:30EnR_NLoL I actually feel safer using official builds ^_^
05:32:32EnR_Nexcept the one for photo - nofreqscaling is the only one working on me photo
05:32:33_AmblinWhoa!
05:32:39_AmblinZune supported?
05:32:45_Amblinoh
05:32:46_Amblinheh
05:32:47_Amblinread
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05:35:28DarkshadowHmm, I'm having another problem too. :P
05:35:39DarkshadowFor some reason the formatting on DancingPuffDuo is messed up for me.
05:36:10DarkshadowThe battery meter on the bottom is on a line by itself, and elements are pushed up, making a lot of things overlap.
05:36:16LloreanDarkshadow: Usually the cause of this is that it used to use the Chicago12 font which isn't used any more
05:36:20LloreanTry picking another font.
05:36:34EnR_NLlorean- is the bootloader link in the manual the most recent?
05:36:52EnR_N"linked" to the most recent version
05:37:27LloreanEnR_N: It should be, yes
05:38:42DarkshadowOkay.
05:40:07scorche=)
05:40:08DarkshadowAh, thanks.
05:41:21H10_007quickLlorean: whats this about version 3! being realesed?
05:41:45H10_007quickLlorean: is there going to be a feature freeze?
05:42:02*JdGordon thinks Llorean might just kill scorche :D
05:42:07scorchehehe
05:42:16H10_007quicklol
05:42:16LloreanH10_007quick: Yes, we've just gotten a LOT of code from the Zunelinux guys
05:42:25LloreanAside the freeze it'll give us plenty of time to incorporate their changes.
05:42:47H10_007quickah ok.
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05:52:05Topic"Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | Everyone be sure to welcome the Zune (be sure to thank the ZuneLinux project) to the list of supported targets! | Finally! Version 3.0 released! | Doom and all other game plugins removed to focus on core functionality: Patches in the tracker will be rejected and removed." by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
05:52:31Mode"#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
05:56:27DarkshadowSo Version 3 is in on the site now?
05:57:00scorcheDarkshadow: look a few lines up
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05:57:35Soap<Soap> it's running a few hours behind. The flurry of activity around the Nano 2nd generation release is clogging the build servers.
05:57:52Darkshadowokay. :P
05:58:14Darkshadowhaha, and thank you all for answering the stupid questions. ;)
05:58:52Soap7zip do it for you?
06:00
06:00:01Darkshadowwhoa yeah.
06:00:10DarkshadowI just tried it like a second ago.
06:00:30DarkshadowIt is roughly 500 times faster than xp's unzip program. ;)
06:00:35DarkshadowThanks.
06:01:06Soapand it does RAR and others very well.
06:01:34DarkshadowGood deal.
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06:09:20DarkshadowWell I'll be on my way now. :)
06:09:38DarkshadowThanks for all the help again!
06:11:06billytwowillyhey, how's the sansa development going?
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06:12:10Soapon the back burner now that the Nano 2nd generation is up and running.
06:12:23billytwowillylame.
06:12:30billytwowillythe sansa is better.
06:12:37LloreanNot technically.
06:12:52billytwowillyheh.
06:13:06SoapIt has FM, I got a DAP because there is nothing on FM except NPR (in the states)
06:13:06billytwowillybigger screen + radio = the win
06:13:24billytwowillyprimarily the bigger screen.
06:13:27LloreanBah
06:13:32LloreanYou don't need a bigger screen for music.
06:13:56billytwowillyit's nice when you sit down and use it.
06:13:59LloreanBut a faster processor for wider format support and better battery life, those are useful.
06:14:14Soapnot to mention 1/2 the thickness.
06:14:21Soap1/3rd almost.
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06:14:35billytwowillythickness at that level isn't that big a deal.
06:14:36scorcheSoap: i changed the topic...now shush
06:14:50billytwowillyso how is the nano 2g support then?
06:15:08LloreanOh, I suspect the Nano2g will be interesting for a little over 24 hours, before something else comes along.
06:15:18LloreanBut for everyone who has the sample code right now, it's quite fun.
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06:15:56scorcheyeah...it was my fault...i wasnt supposed to let people know that our private code has been running on that device for a while
06:16:05scorcheso i corrected our topic
06:16:20scorcheso please dont mention it ;)
06:17:09billytwowillyheh, so it's working, but you aren't telling anyone?;)
06:17:20scorcheit has been working for about a month now
06:17:27billytwowillyrelease it already;)
06:17:53scorchewe just released version 3 and the zune...give us some time!
06:18:05scorche(and we just want the code to ourselves ;)
06:18:06billytwowillyhehe no rest for the wicked;)
06:18:33Soapsomeone might steal credit.
06:18:48billytwowillyman, I'm watching this documentary called "Who controls the children (Schools dumb down kids deliberately)" and it's making me feel sorry for American children.
06:19:29scorchebillytwowilly: please read the link in the topic
06:20:35billytwowilly*sigh*
06:20:48Galoisyou know, given the reliability of all the other stuff in the topic, ...
06:21:49Soapbillytwowilly: there is #rockbox-community for a reason.
06:21:58Soap(I forget what the reason is sometimes)
06:22:59scorcheSoap: to just sit there and look pretty?
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06:38:56Soapit is serving that role well.
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07:06:58_AmblinAnyone have an e200 that uses mpegplugin?
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07:07:21Llorean_Amblin: You mean mpegplayer I assume?
07:07:39_AmblinAh, hey Llorean.
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07:08:21_AmblinWhen playing a video using mpegplayer, do you get a static type noise in the audio?
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07:08:32LloreanThe Sansa has audio problems still, yes.
07:08:39_AmblinOk.
07:09:11_AmblinA/V sync works perfectly now.:)
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07:09:59ace214ismadgod damn
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07:10:33ace214ismadSo I don't know if someone's already on this but I'm getting one big compiling error from the svn build
07:10:58ace214ismadence to `__compound_literal.4'
07:11:01ace214ismadence to `__compound_literal.4'
07:11:12Lloreanace214ismad: One, please don't randomly curse.
07:11:30scorchetwo, that is from an outdated arm-elf-gcc
07:11:31Lloreanace214ismad: As you can see the build servers on the build table don't show this error, suggesting something is wrong with your setup. What target are you compiling for?
07:11:32ace214ismadSorry, FF wouldnt let me in
07:11:55ace214ismadAh, excellent. ok
07:11:56ace214ismadthanks
07:12:30scorcheall rockbox developing environments were updated quite a bit ago
07:13:20ace214ismadOk. Havent compiled in a long time
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07:21:06perldiverso, with vmware, do i need to do svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox everytime i power it on?
07:21:16LloreanNo
07:22:10perldiverhmm
07:22:40perldiverhow does it "remember" me then if use "user/rockbox" then?
07:22:53LloreanI don't understand exactly what you're asking.
07:23:00scorcheit is just like a regular filesystem
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07:26:08Soapscorche: you were asking about vmware packages you should add.
07:26:12Soap(the other night0
07:26:14Soap)
07:26:19Soapdo you have ccache on there?
07:26:33scorchei would have to check
07:27:24perldiverso it does store files locally?
07:27:29ace214ismadThanks for the help. Updating fixed it.
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07:27:52scorcheperldiver: in that 2gig image, yes
07:28:24perldivergot it
07:30:47LloreanSoap: I'm pretty sure it does, yes.
07:31:08perldiverso im guessing typing //debian from the "run" menu will access it?
07:31:25perldiver(sorry guys came back from the night out, trying to figure it out heh)
07:31:48perldiver\\debian*
07:32:08scorcheperldiver: if you are running the image and samba is working properly, yes
07:32:09perldiverdecided to dump cygwin finally
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08:04:32RoC_MMha!
08:07:29*JdGordon is booorreedd
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08:12:15iwantanimacrofl
08:12:20iwantanimacnice topic.
08:12:49iwantanimacumm.. onto serious matters... where would i find the .bmps for the rockbox logo for each target?
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08:13:33JdGordonapps/bitmaps/
08:13:59iwantanimacah. /apps/ is a tad misleading =/
08:14:41JdGordonyes... everything thats not firmware/hardware drivers goes in apps
08:15:03LloreanWell the bitmaps are the bitmaps used by the "application" level.
08:15:08iwantanimacwell maybe "resources" would've been better.
08:15:23LloreanResources wouldn't make any sense for most of the rest of the data in /apps/
08:19:49JdGordonLlorean: do you know why the custom margins patch isnt in svn?
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08:23:04LloreanJdGordon: The one that would be completely unnecessary once viewports is done, so it would have to be removed again?
08:25:15JdGordonthats the one :)
08:26:03LloreanI think part of the idea is that we don't need to be maintaining code we know in advance we don't intend to keep. :-P
08:26:17LloreanThough I do think there was at least some goodwill toward it, if I remember the conversation properly.
08:26:22JdGordonyeah, na, I forgot about viewports before asking...
08:26:54*JdGordon is going to do them in the semester holidays (june) if amiconnhasnt done them by then :p
08:27:04LloreanHeh
08:29:05*Mouser_X is looking forward to viewports.
08:29:16Mouser_XThat is, if they're what I recall them being.
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08:41:24*Llorean pities the MyGigabeat forums.
08:42:14LloreanI see spam messages from the same account over a three day period.
08:49:17perldiveroh well, vmware is fast :P
08:50:43Mouser_XSo you got it working?
08:50:59Mouser_Xperldiver: If so, mind explaining how to add patches?
08:51:14Mouser_XI've got it on my PC, but I haven't figured out how to add patches.
08:51:33Mouser_XAlso, it runs like a pregnant snail on my machine.
08:51:46Mouser_XI'm sure there's a way to fix that, but I don't know what it is.
08:53:51JdGordonget a faster machine....
08:54:18Mouser_XCPU Speed: 1.99 GHz
08:54:28Mouser_XI would have thought that'd be enough.
08:54:57JdGordonhow much ram you got?
08:55:43Mouser_XRAM: Used: 426/512MB
08:55:48Mouser_XPage File: Used: 680/995MB
08:56:46JdGordonshould be fine for vmware...
08:57:01perldiverMouser_X well, you just put patches into rockbox folder and...add them?
08:57:12perldiveri mean at what stage you're having problems?
08:57:39Mouser_XI don't know how to add them.
08:57:57LloreanMouser_X: Have you read any of the guides?
08:58:12Mouser_XI read the compiling guide.
08:58:23Mouser_XIn the Wiki.
08:58:36Mouser_XIf it said how to do it in VMware, I didn't see it, or didn't understand it.
08:59:08JdGordonits all the same... once you have vmware running....
08:59:14LloreanIt's the same as in cygwin.
08:59:29Mouser_XAh.
08:59:41Mouser_XI'll have to see if I have the patience to run VMware again.
08:59:57LloreanIf VMWare has issues with your system, use cygwin
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09:00:10Mouser_XI've heard that it might go faster if I cut back on the RAM it uses.
09:00:16Mouser_XThough, I have no idea how to do that.
09:00:16LloreanThe big vmware advantage is speed, and if you've got a system that won't run it quickly for whatever reason, there's not much reason to try to use it.
09:00:27perldiverwhats the different between suspend and power off?
09:00:32perldiver(on exit)
09:01:57perldiverdifference*
09:02:40Lloreanperldiver: Power Off simulates actually shutting down the virtual computer
09:02:47Mouser_XAs I recall, one "turns it off" such that it'll have to reboot when you start it up again, and the other only puts it in hibernation, so to say.
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09:02:51LloreanSuspend basically just remembers its state when you quit the program, and returns you to it.
09:02:57LloreanIt's not even hibernation.
09:03:19Mouser_XWell, my understanding of hibernation isn't that great.
09:03:19LloreanI'd actually suggest Power Off. Samba is much more reliable when you've powered up fresh, than after a suspend.
09:03:36Mouser_XI've never used hibernation anyway.
09:03:59Mouser_X(I don't even know if I own a system that does that.)
09:04:01perldiveri mean are there any disadvantages in putting in into suspend more (cause obviously its much better than to power it off)?
09:04:14perldiverLlorean ah
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09:04:15Lloreanperldiver: I just explained why I recommend Power Off.
09:04:17Llorean:-P
09:04:35LloreanSuspend is generally fine, but there are occasions where Samba won't work after a suspend, and it's quite frustrating.
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09:06:45perldivertakes less than 4 minutes to compile, very nice
09:08:20Mouser_XLucky...
09:08:30Mouser_XIt takes that long just to get it useable.
09:09:39perldiverLlorean do the resident vmware memory processes take any resources whatsoever?
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09:10:14Lloreanperldiver: Um, I'm not quite sure what you mean. VMWare isn't "free", there's definitely overhead from running it, of course.
09:10:54perldiveri mean after quitting it
09:11:15LloreanYeah, they use a little memory
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09:13:02scorcheMouser_X: have you installed vmware tools?
09:14:10iwantanimachi all. about the boot/credits logo, how practical (In a programming sense) would it be to allow it to use an external bitmap?
09:14:46Lloreaniwantanimac: Relatively easy.
09:14:47JdGordoneasy
09:14:50Mouser_Xscorche: I thought I did, but I don't know.
09:15:06JdGordon... will patches be accepted for it?... pro ably not
09:15:17scorcheMouser_X: well, if you havent, that can cause vmware to appear to run very poorly on your system
09:15:20LloreanThe plan, I believe, is to scrap the "bootsplash" in the Gigabeat bootloader, make it not refresh the screen (speeding it up, and making it subtler), and making the Rockbox bootlogo load a .bmp
09:15:25LloreanJdGordon: Yes, they will.
09:15:27Mouser_Xscorche: Is that the thing that allows me to cut+paste pretty easily?
09:15:33scorcheyes
09:15:36iwantanimacas in into SVN?
09:15:38Mouser_XThen yes.
09:15:49Mouser_XI don't recall noticing a difference.
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09:15:56JdGordonLlorean: wha? since when?
09:16:02LloreanJdGordon: Making the boot logo be loaded from a .bmp instead of being compiled in is actually mostly positively looked upon.
09:16:17LloreanFor one thing, it removes it from the binary, and bitmap loading is already in core anyway, right?
09:16:25JdGordonoh... I thought he meant loading from a file during boot...
09:16:32LloreanNo, not in the bootloader.
09:16:37LloreanThat first "Rockbox" logo in-rockbox
09:16:44LloreanOn the Version screen.
09:16:52iwantanimacyeah. that one.
09:19:38LloreanOf course clearly we shouldn't do that now, it'd obsolete the Logo Swapper program.
09:19:47BHSPitMonkeyso rockbox developers aren't feeling mean today, eh?
09:19:48BHSPitMonkey:)
09:19:59iwantanimacwhich is what i was looking at anyway... logo swapper doesn't work for me.
09:20:20Lloreaniwantanimac: Suggest to its writer that they should just submit a patch for proper themeable logo then.
09:20:20BHSPitMonkeyno false reports of being shut down by Apple or PortalPlayer or Archos?
09:20:37iwantanimacit spits out different errors every time, and besides, it's complicated.
09:20:43LloreanBHSPitMonkey: Nah, but maybe Toshiba has their eyes on us.
09:20:45scorcheBHSPitLappy: see topic
09:20:53scorchebah...whatever
09:20:55Mouser_XI was about to PM that.
09:21:02iwantanimaci think ill try writing a patch...
09:21:05BHSPitMonkeyscorche, ah
09:21:23*Mouser_X wishes he had a Zune...
09:21:24Mouser_X:P
09:21:32BHSPitMonkeyEww.
09:21:40Mouser_XToo bad I spent all my money on the LEGO Millenium Falcon.
09:21:50*iwantanimac wishes iPods were less clunky and had FM Radio so he would buy one.
09:22:00Mouser_XJust get a Gigabeat.
09:22:14Mouser_XNo radio, sure, but it's got lots of other stuff going for it.
09:22:14scorcheheh...ipods...clunky..
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09:22:56BHSPitMonkeyyeah, heh
09:23:04amiconnrrrr
09:23:24scorcheamiconn: i typically make that sound when i wake up too...
09:23:41*amiconn hates april fool's day
09:23:42Mouser_XMine is "Ahhh maaaannn..."
09:23:53Mouser_XFollowed by "I have to go to work."
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09:24:02scorcheamiconn: just be glad you dont have me in the house...
09:24:04*iwantanimac loves april fool's day. check out the GMil homepage.
09:24:11iwantanimac*gmail...
09:25:46scorchehttp://www.google.com/tisp/install.html
09:26:29iwantanimaclol
09:28:42BHSPitMonkeyI have yet to find out what TiSP stands for, though.
09:28:49BHSPitMonkeyT1 in Sewage Pipes?
09:29:40LloreanToilet ISP
09:29:50LloreanIt could be a variety of things
09:30:00iwantanimacgoogle get so into april fools.
09:30:38LloreanI'm just glad it only lasts for a day.
09:31:12iwantanimacyeah.
09:31:24iwantanimaccan you imagine how many people would actually fall for this stuff?
09:32:07scorcheplenty have....check the irc logs fortoday ;)
09:32:24iwantanimacreally?
09:32:39iwantanimacand they commented here?
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09:33:14scorchewell, i am talking solely about our own celebration ;)
09:33:36Mouser_XJust to note: I'm quite happy with my Gigabeat.
09:33:43Mouser_XI don't need or want a Zune...
09:33:55BHSPitMonkeyWay to save face.
09:34:09Mouser_XCheck the #usf logs...
09:34:17Mouser_X:P
09:34:56iwantanimacthird line of today's #rockbox log - what the...?
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09:37:02scorcheexcept, the logs parser omits changes tot eh topic and such
09:37:55iwantanimacwhich is a shame.
09:39:05iwantanimachttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page - featured article - april fools prank or fact?
09:40:19Lloreaniwantanimac: This isn't really a channel for discussing various pranks.
09:40:42iwantanimaci know. sorry for getting offtopic...
09:40:42LloreanAlso, read it and look for valid cited sources.
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09:45:36BHSPitMonkeyfiction
09:45:59BHSPitMonkeyrevolutionary soldiers didn't have -crap-, much less instant coffee.
09:46:07scorchehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/George_Washington_%28inventor%29
09:46:16scorcheand this is the last off-topic mention of it
09:46:23scorcheno more!
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09:59:06iwantanimacis there separate code for the startup bitmap in credits.c as well as soemwhere else?
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10:07:37iwantanimacwhere is the "rb->show_logo();" defined?
10:08:00Bagderfind . -name "*.c" | xargs grep anythingyouwant
10:08:57iwantanimacanythingyouwant would be the string i'm trying to locate, yes?
10:10:09iwantanimacdon't worry. solved my own question.
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10:14:46iwantanimacright found it...
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10:28:54amiconnmarkun: around now?
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10:58:08frankenHello, how do I keep all my preferences when updating Rockbox?
10:58:53LloreanIf you update it the proper way, they should be preserved.
10:59:34frankenHm. What is the proper way then? I use cp -Ru .rockbox /mnt/x5
10:59:55frankenIn what files are my prefernces stored?
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11:00:20JdGordonif you unzip the official build over the top of your current install you will not lose any personal files (includes settings)
11:00:44frankenSadly, I do. All settings are at default after updating
11:00:58JdGordonwere you using a very old build before updating?
11:01:05JdGordonsay, older than 2 months..?
11:01:11frankenIt was from November 2006
11:01:22JdGordonok, that explains it then...
11:01:28frankenAh I see
11:01:36JdGordonyou can put that build back on, then save your config file manually, then update
11:01:46JdGordonor just not bother and redo your settings...
11:01:54JdGordonfrom now on your settings are safe though
11:02:03LloreanYeah, settings were lost across the update to the new setting system if you didn't export them
11:02:22frankenWell, I made a backup of my old /.rockbox, any way I can copy the old settings over?
11:02:23JdGordonyou can go back and save them, if you still have the old build
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11:03:04JdGordonmenu > general settings > manage settings > "write config file" then copy that .cfg intto your new .rockbox folder and make sure its named config.cfg
11:03:54frankenOoh okay great, I will do that, thank you
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11:20:59JdGordondoes depressed mean pushed or not pushed for a button?
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11:21:24LloreanIt should mean pushed
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11:35:44iwantanimacumm... i'm trying to use the VMware image and fluxbox is annoying the heck outta me. It won't let me install Xfce... how do i get it to install with all the dependencies, rather than just complaining that there are dependencies?
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11:42:31JdGordonLlorean: thanks, thats what I thought but needed to double check
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11:42:40JdGordonand asking here is faster than loading ff :p
11:43:02JdGordoniwantanimac: apt-get xfce4-desktop ?
11:43:23JdGordonwhy would you bother with a different WM? or are you plannign on using it for more than rockbox devel?
11:43:32iwantanimaci was doing apt-get install xfce4
11:44:10iwantanimacand yes i was planning to use it for other stuff, but i at least want to b able to use it properly. fluxbox isn't my type...
11:44:56iwantanimacand xfce4-desktop doesn't work either.
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11:46:18iwantanimacill ask elsewhere...
11:46:57JdGordonapt-cache search xfce4
11:47:01JdGordonor aptitude
11:47:17iwantanimacdoes aptitude work - it's installed?
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11:47:33iwantanimacdamn... why didn't i know that... =P
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12:07:01toni1linuxstb: I might have found the problem with mpegplayer on the sansa.
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12:07:47toni1If I declare both audiothread_id and videothread_id as IBSS_ATTR then the sound is fine.
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12:19:17markunpretty difficult for me and amiconn to be online at the same these days..
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12:21:19linuxstbtoni1: (for the logs) Do you have any idea why that would be the case? It doesn't make any sense to me...
12:25:41JdGordonyou guys are funny... why dont you just use the dev ml?
12:25:53JdGordonsaves you having to read logs :p
12:26:08markunNah :)
12:32:19JdGordonhmm... damn, no amiconn :( how am I supposed to nag him about viewports if he isnt here!
12:32:41JdGordons/nag/ask quuestions (if he reads the log :p )
12:33:19markunI'll just wait for him to show up again
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12:35:19Lloreanlinuxstb: Where do you do the remove_thread(videothread_id) anyway?
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12:37:45linuxstbLlorean: I don't - the video thread commits suicide by calling remove_thread(NULL) itself.
12:37:52LloreanAh
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12:38:18LloreanIs that strictly safe? Isn't that the thread that's causing problems on exit sometimes?
12:38:20linuxstbThat's what dan_a told me to do in the past - I don't know if Slasheri's changes have affected that.
12:39:26iwantanimacanyone know why aptitude on the VMWare image wants to uninstall everything?
12:39:47linuxstbBecause you've told it to... (in some way).
12:39:56JdGordonI tihnk i remmeber someone saying that remove_thread(NULL); is fine and safe to use...
12:40:02JdGordonhehe.. commiting suicide :D
12:40:14iwantanimaclinuxstb: i don't see how...
12:40:30JdGordoniwantanimac: possible really outdated packages or something causing dependancy issues?
12:40:39LloreanJdGordon: Well, the thread seems to be data aborting on iPods when it ends. So something funny is happening there.
12:40:46LloreanOr near when it ends
12:40:51liquid_ravenhow is rockbox on iPod Photo these days?
12:41:16linuxstbLlorean: That could be related to mpegplayer reading past the end of the file.
12:41:37Lloreanlinuxstb: Even on manual exits far before the end of a file?
12:42:03iwantanimacAptitude says they're being removed because they're no longer used...
12:42:09linuxstbErr, no :) So you're getting data aborts when pressing STOP?
12:42:41JdGordonI _may_ have found a bug Slasheri missed :)
12:42:47linuxstbiwantanimac: There you go then. So what's the problem?
12:42:50JdGordonbut the core locking mecahnism isnt enabled is it?
12:42:52Lloreanlinuxstb: Yes.
12:43:10iwantanimacbut i don't want them to be removed.. it says it's uninstalling aptitude... which i kinda wanna keep...
12:43:14Lloreanlinuxstb: Should it be safe to try removing the thread the same way you do the audio one?
12:43:20iwantanimacsorry for bad english there...
12:43:50linuxstbiwantanimac: What did you ask aptitude to do?
12:43:53JdGordonSlasheri: thread.c in remove_thread()... if thread == NULL you dont call unlock_cores() before returning... isnt that bad?
12:44:46iwantanimaci just opened it then updated the listings, and asked it (i think) to install xfce4.
12:45:01JdGordonLlorean: looking at remove_thread() it does a thread switch after removing the thread (if its NULL), so its unlikely thats where your problem is.... unless something is expecting that thread to still be alive?
12:45:26LloreanJdGordon: The thread doesn't get removed. After you leave mpegplayer it's still visible on the OS stacks page
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12:46:06JdGordonok, then there is a problem :p
12:46:10linuxstbLlorean: That could also be caused by the video thread not killing itself.
12:46:18linuxstbWhich is probably more likely....
12:46:23LloreanWell, either way
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12:46:42LloreanWhen you leave mpegplayer, you see a brief flash of a data abort, and there's a mpgvideo thread on the OS stacks screen
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12:47:27JdGordonSlasheri: also, why is thread->name = NULL; not done in remove_thread? seems a bit dangerous to me...
12:47:39JdGordonremove_from_list() I mean
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12:51:17JdGordonsleep_thread() doesnt have an unlock_cores() also?
12:51:55*JdGordon closes thread.c .... not gonna bother trying to figure that magic out ;p
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12:58:37amiconnmarkun?
12:58:44markunyes!
12:58:48markun:)
12:58:52*linuxstb cheers
12:58:59*Llorean wishes he had a way to get the actual address of the data abort.
12:59:09amiconnHi, I have some questions regarding unicode and codepages
12:59:11linuxstbLlorean: Video camera?
12:59:41amiconnCurrently, full loadable codepage support is compiled in for the player, even for codepages which don't make sense
12:59:41markunLlorean: I had added that to my build, but maybe I lost it when switching to svn..
12:59:48JdGordonhey amiconn, were you plannig on having a "frame buffer" for each vieport? or just give each viewport a origion,width,hieght values and then the drawing code would adjust x/y values to fit in the viewport?
12:59:55linuxstbLlorean: Or try adding an rb->sleep(HZ*30) (30 seconds) to the end of mpegplayer.c - before it quits.
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13:00:06amiconnBut at the same time, no loadable codepages are included in 'make zip'
13:00:28JdGordonLlorean: the .map file and the dissasembly :p
13:00:37amiconnJdGordon: No separate framebuffers, that'd be overkill (and require dynamic memory allocation which we don't have and don't want)
13:00:39LloreanJdGordon: No, the data abort doesn't stay on the screen.
13:00:45LloreanI'll try the sleep
13:00:49linuxstbLlorean: And remove the calls to rb->lcd_clear_display() and rb->lcd_update() as well.
13:01:08amiconnmarkun: My problem is that the loadable codepages which can be supported on the player are non-contiguous
13:01:10JdGordonamiconn: ok, thats what I figured :)
13:01:31markunamiconn: what do you mean by that?
13:01:39amiconn(indices 0, 1, 3, 6, 7 and 12 in the current settings)
13:02:18JdGordonLlorean: if your game, you could probably fiddle with the data abort code to dump the location to a file?
13:02:36LloreanJdGordon: If one of these easier methods doesn't work, I was thinking about it
13:02:40amiconn(iso 8859-1, iso8859-7, cp1251, iso8859-9, iso8859-2 and utf-9)
13:02:55JdGordonshouldnt a data abort stop all exectution though? how does it not stay on the screen?
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13:03:14linuxstbJdGordon: I assume it's because the data abort is on the COP. But you're right - it _should_ stop everything.
13:03:15LloreanJdGordon: It's on core (1)
13:03:22amiconnSo I need a way to reorder them, and would like to know whether the codepage order has any special meaning other than the order in iso.cp
13:04:16amiconnAlso, I need to find a new name for iso.cp and add a parameter to 'codepages' for selecting minimal or full support
13:05:15amiconnDo we want to reorder codepages for all targets, or rather introduce a new filename (e.g. isomini.cp ??) for the player?
13:06:17Llorean00046148 apparently
13:06:59markunamiconn: hm, I have no idea
13:07:48markunI think you are more into the code to decide that now
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13:08:25Lloreanlinuxstb: It looks like the data abort is happening inside remove_thread
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13:13:31SlasheriJdGordon: lists are linked list. When removing from list and settings thread->name = NULL would destroy the thread
13:14:24JdGordonisnt that whats wanted?
13:14:28SlasheriJdGordon: sleep_thread doesn't need unlocking, because switch_thread takes care about that
13:14:55SlasheriJdGordon: remove_thread should set name to null but not remove_from_list
13:15:05Slasherischeduler removed and adds threads to lists all the time
13:15:24JdGordonah, ok... as long as you know how it all works :D
13:15:30Slasheri:)
13:15:52LloreanSlasheri: Apparently remove_thread is having a data abort when removing the video thread. Any ideas right off the top of your head?
13:16:05SlasheriLlorean: checking that
13:16:30Lloreanremove_thread is at 00046130, and the abort's at 00046148 if that helps a bit (compiled for the Nano, that is)
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13:17:31SlasheriLlorean: so that happens with the mpegplayer?
13:17:44LloreanYes
13:18:30Slasheriok, first i would try it with scheduler's locking mechanism enabled (now cop is not safe to use because those functions are disabled)
13:19:34linuxstbWhy is the COP not safe to use?
13:20:01Slasherioperations are not thread safe core wise as long as the locking is disabled
13:20:29linuxstbWhat kind of operations?
13:20:44Slasheriall kernel function calls that needs locking (almost any of them)
13:20:55Slasherisuch as remove_thread itself
13:21:33Slasheriif COP's scheduler is working with that thread the same time main CPU calls remove_thread, no wonder if it would crash..
13:22:00linuxstbThe main CPU isn't removing the thread, the thread is committing suicide with remove_thread(NULL).
13:22:25Slasheriok, then it's not that bad
13:22:48linuxstbThis worked fine in the past (afaik).
13:22:59Lloreanmpegplayer has frozen when I've hit "stop" on the gigabeat too, which is single core, though no data abort message.
13:23:16Slasherihmm, interesting
13:23:21LloreanOn the gigabeat though, it's not consistent, I can't find a way to reliably reproduce it, it seems about 1 in 5 or so.
13:24:02linuxstbmpegplayer's threading isn't 100% reliable, but I'm waiting for the kernel to become stable before cleaning it up.
13:24:20linuxstbstable as in the API becoming stable.
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13:27:28Slasherilinuxstb: so you figured out it crashes when calling that remove_thread()?
13:27:59linuxstbLlorean did.
13:28:11Slasheriah, how?
13:28:28LloreanSlasheri: It data aborts, and I looked up the address in the .map
13:28:41linuxstbThe data abort doesn't freeze the entire system, so we're assuming the data abort is happening on the COP. And there's only one mpegplayer thread on the COP.
13:29:40LloreanAlso, the thread is still shown on the OS Stacks page.
13:30:10Slasheriah, nice
13:30:12linuxstbSlasheri: The code at the start of remove_thread makes no sense - "if (thread==NULL) { do something with thread->core }" ....
13:30:25Llorean(1) *R 4 8% mpgvideo
13:30:31Slasherilinuxstb: oh! indeed
13:30:38Slasherilinuxstb: that's a null pointer bug
13:31:15Slasherilinuxstb: good thing, i just noticed that now.. i was replacing too much CURRENT_CORE with thread->core
13:31:53Slasherilinuxstb: fixing.. that might fix some other issues too
13:33:53Slashericommitted a fix
13:34:45linuxstbSlasheri: You're still accessing thread->core later in the same function...
13:34:58linuxstb(and thread->name)
13:35:08*linuxstb re-reads the commit :)
13:35:35Slasherilinuxstb: but that should be safe now :)
13:36:03linuxstbSorry, just a moment of blindness.
13:36:07Slasheriit would be great if somebody could try problematic players with the core locking mechanism enabled again
13:36:10Slasheri:)
13:37:25linuxstbRemind me how to enable it...
13:37:45Slasherilinuxstb: just change those two #if 0 -> 1 from thread.c
13:38:32LloreanSlasheri: Well, SVN code works fine with mpegplayer now on Nano
13:38:37Slasheriups.. in fact i accidentally committed that change myself
13:38:44linuxstbSlasheri: I was about to say that...
13:38:57Slasheriwell.. lets disabled them again if problems still occur
13:39:02Slasheri-d
13:39:19LloreanSo, basically wait for the forums to flood with data abort reports again? :-P
13:39:31LloreanWo we have someone with a 'problem target' around right now?
13:39:53Slasheriat least 4g, H10 (and probably sansa) should be those targets
13:40:00LloreanThe sansa had problems?
13:40:10SlasheriIIRC, but not sure
13:41:14linuxstbI'm just compiling now...
13:41:21linuxstb(for the ipod Color/Photo)
13:41:31Slasherigreat! =)
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13:44:00*JdGordon compiling for sansa... on my slow computer tho :p
13:44:40LloreanWell, music plays on my Sansa
13:44:43LloreanWhat am I looking for?
13:44:59SlasheriLlorean: it should crash right away after booting
13:45:09LloreanDefinitely didn't do that.
13:45:16Slasheriat least that seems to be working then :)
13:45:25LloreanAssuming the Sansa was one of the problem targets, then yes
13:45:32LloreanUm
13:45:35LloreanSound sounds GOOD on th Sansa right now
13:45:38LloreanDid we commit a fix for that?
13:46:14linuxstbSlasheri: Still freezing on my photo...
13:46:29linuxstbIn the main menu with the disk icon on.
13:46:45Slasherilinuxstb: ah, need to disable that then :/
13:50:15RaBe42It do also regulary freeze while playing musik.
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13:51:07RaBe42The musik still playing, but the display get no refresh in this case.
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14:02:02JdGordonumm.. any reason why elephants dream refuses to open with svn?
14:06:00LloreanJdGordon: Tried playing the file on the PC? My videos open fine at least.
14:06:46JdGordonIt opened fine a few days ago.. , but no...
14:06:47amiconnhmmmmmmmm
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14:10:30*Llorean doesn't have the power to change the topic.
14:10:31JdGordonits only just 10pm here... you guys have ages to go :p
14:11:27*linuxstb lives in a country that doesn't allow April Fools jokes after midday
14:11:40Lloreanlinuxstb: 7AM here. :-P
14:12:13*preglow lives in a country that likes to allow april fools jokes well into the 2nd of april...
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14:18:49lachlan_mcOMG WHYD U TAKE AWAY DOOOOOOM?!?!!?
14:19:28idnarbwahaha
14:20:25markunanother joke I don't get?
14:21:08lachlan_mcThe IRC topic^^
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14:22:11linuxstbLlorean: Does mpegplayer fail to play a second video on your Nano?
14:22:46Lloreanlinuxstb: No, it plays.
14:22:58caduhello guys, just made a battery benchmark on my gigabeat F20, where do i have to drop it so you guys can use?
14:23:20ompaul date today might help
14:23:22markuncadu: there is a wiki page, don't know the exact name
14:23:28Lloreanlinuxstb: Though I think whatever the problem that affects the gigabeat is there, because my Sansa froze immediately after exiting mpegplayer once, but then after reboot played 4 times in a row no problem
14:23:59LloreanBut the consistent 'data abort' is gone, I believe
14:25:00caduit played for 14h7m , is it okay ?
14:26:06roolkucadu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatRuntime
14:26:55caduroolku, how do i edit it ?
14:28:37cadui just wanna send the runtime :) by the way i'm also starting to create the new portuguese-brazil translation for rockbox
14:28:52markunnice
14:28:59Lloreanlinuxstb: Okay, scratch that, apparently I *can't* play two videos in a row now.
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14:29:23LloreanI did it once after you asked, but it just gave me a black screen on the third play, and now the second play is always a black screen after rebooting.
14:29:31roolkucadu: use the edit link at the bottom left (if you are not registered see first paragraph here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome)
14:30:21linuxstbLlorean: Yes, that's what I get. Is that just the Nano, or the gigabeat as well?
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14:30:37Lloreanlinuxstb: Let me just update the build on my gb
14:30:50Nico_Pwow seeing the topic I just bought a Zune on ebay :D
14:31:15Nico_PI can't wait to run rockbox 3.0 on it !
14:31:35JdGordonhehe Nico_P :)
14:32:16Nico_P:) I was sad not to see an april news on the site
14:32:41Lloreanlinuxstb: 12989 runs multiple videos in a row on my sansa just fine, though
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14:34:04linuxstbSo it works on your Sansa, but not the Nano?
14:34:09Lloreanlinuxstb: Sansa and Gigabeat both play multiple movies fine, not the Nano
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14:34:53linuxstbHmm... I wonder if the video thread is actually running on the COP on the Sansa then...
14:35:07LloreanThe video thread is doing SOMETHING funny
14:35:16LloreanI just plugged in USB on my gigabeat and instead of seeing a USB logo, I see a video
14:35:34Lloreanspecifically the last one I had played, in slow motion
14:35:57linuxstbThat's been mentioned before I think... Maybe we should add a list of known bugs to the PluginMpegplayer wiki page, so we don't lose track of them all.
14:36:48LloreanWell, the thing was, I was in the filebrowser.
14:36:54LloreanUnless I bumped "right" as I plugged in the cable
14:38:04Lloreanlinuxstb: If the videothread weren't on the COP on the Sansa, wouldn't performance be considerably worse than it is?
14:38:48linuxstbProbably, yes. But the LCD update on the Sansa is much faster than other targets IIUC - it's a hardware blit.
14:39:23LloreanAh, because I get close to the performance of my Nano on my Sansa already
14:39:38linuxstbSo I wouldn't have expected it to be slower than the Photo, although there is the possible overhead of rotating the screen.
14:39:49LloreanAaah
14:40:35LloreanI don't recall the video dropping a lot of frames when the audio dropped out though. Would that be expected?
14:41:19LloreanBut then, just memory.
14:41:22linuxstbI'm not sure...
14:41:27LloreanAny way to test what core it's on?
14:41:55LloreanActually... I'm trying to remember if my Sansa did the data aborts.
14:44:37Lloreanlinuxstb: With a day old build, it gets the data aborts, same as the Nano
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14:46:04linuxstbOK, that's expected, but doesn't prove the thread is running on the COP, just that Rockbox is compiled with dual-core support.
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14:46:43LloreanYeah, but Rockbox continues operating, and OS Stacks shows the thread on (1) at least
14:47:02LloreanAlso, now that I've put 989 back on it again, it's showing the expected "You can only play one video per boot" behaviour now.
14:48:04LloreanI wonder if it's similar to what causes the rare freeze-on-exit on my Gigabeat? If that freeze were on core 2, it wouldn't interfere until you tried to launch another video on the PortalPlayers.
14:48:18LloreanWhoops, now I played 2 videos in a row again. It's not consistent, whatever it is.
14:48:34Llorean3rd video did it this time. =/
14:51:10LloreanAlright, the Nano consistently fails after 1 video, the Sansa locks up after an arbitrary number, but still shows the "Shutting Down" splash when I try.
14:51:19linuxstbLlorean: You could try replacing "delay" in line 934 of mpegplayer.c with "PROCESSOR_ID&0xff" - that value should tell us what thread the Sansa's video thread is running on.
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14:52:03linuxstb(85 is the main CPU, 170 is the COP)
14:52:23LloreanI'm betting on the COP, but I'll give it a go.
14:52:31linuxstb(and enable Show FPS obviously...)
14:53:11linuxstbI would probably bet on COP as well, but it's confusing why it's behaving differently to the Nano (and my Photo).
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14:55:13*amiconn reclaimed 63KB of RAM on the player :)
14:56:04markunamiconn: unicode related?
14:56:09amiconnyes
14:56:11markunnice
14:56:37amiconnSince the player cannot support dbcs anyway, I reduced the codepage buffer size from 64KB to 1KB
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14:57:10markun:)
14:57:31Lloreanlinuxstb: 170
14:59:02linuxstbLlorean: OK... BTW, I've just played 5 or 6 videos in succession on my Photo...
14:59:18preglowamiconn: dbcs?
14:59:29amiconndouble byte character set(s)
14:59:34preglowah, right
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15:00:13preglowyeah, i see you've put down a ton of work on the player lately
15:00:21preglownot my preferred target... ;)
15:00:39Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm not surprised by that, I was expecting to be able to on my Nano if I kept trying
15:01:44Lloreanlinuxstb: Really the only difference between my Sansa's behaviour and my what my Gigabeat's been doing fairly recently is that the Gigabeat freezes as you quit, and the Sansa seems to freeze when you start a file.
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15:12:54pixelmaNico_P: with the latest version of the tokenizer patch applied to recent svn (about 1 hour ago) my M5 hangs... tried with 2 different wps - it seems to happen when it tries to actually load the metadata, the "structure" of the wps is didplayed alright
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15:16:12XavierGrdamn it! USB OTG on my H300 broke again :(
15:17:32pixelmaI guess it's the same reason (or at least is related) to the garbage I see for a split second in place of the tags that I got when testing on the Ondio
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15:21:02*amiconn wonders why his commit reduced binsize for all targets ...
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15:21:56Nico_Ppixelma: I'll heva a look
15:24:23*amiconn found it...
15:26:05markunamiconn: oops? :)
15:26:11amiconnSorta
15:26:30amiconnNot including config.h means HAVE_LCD_BITMAP is always undefined...
15:26:42XavierGrI will try a little surgery on my H300 again, this time I am going to disable the overcurrent chip of ISP1362
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15:33:44kramdraanyone know what source file the WPS/ui code is in?
15:34:12Nico_Pkramdra: apps/gui/gwps.c and apps/gui/gwps.c
15:34:23kramdrathanks
15:34:24Nico_Poops
15:34:33Nico_Pthe second one is gwps-common.c
15:38:03markunlinuxstb: I have a file which isn't in sync on the player (but fine in mplayer), do you want to have (a part of) it?
15:39:07Nico_Ppixelma: could you try it with the latest version of the patch ? (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6862#comment14339)
15:39:44JdGordonamiconn: back on viewports... are you going to allow a Z-order? so we can stack them?
15:39:46Nico_Pmaybe it won't help but at least I'll be sure I'm not hunting an already corrected bug
15:39:47Lloreanmarkun: Is it out of sync from the start of the file, or more out of sync over time?
15:40:14amiconnJdGordon: No z-order, just rectangular areas for drawing
15:40:26amiconnIf they overlap, the result will be undefined
15:40:47amiconn(well, not undefined, just the viewport that draws last will win)
15:40:57JdGordondo you know how your planning on updating the screen? maybe a Z-order wont be so hard to implement?
15:41:12JdGordonI have exactly 1 idea which would need this :p
15:41:40pixelmaNico_P:will try but the report might follow a little later then...
15:41:45markunLlorean: I think it might be from the start, but it's hard to tell as there in no dialogue the first few seconds
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15:42:17Nico_Ppixelma: no hurry... I might not be able to continue looking for long anyone
15:42:23Nico_PI'll check the log when I come back
15:42:28amiconnA z-order would be very hard to implement without separate bitmap buffers. It would require checking bounds against *all* viewports where without it the viewport only needs to check its own bounds
15:42:33markunLlorean: at 18 seconds into the file I hear talking and it's already out of sync
15:43:20JdGordonamiconn: couldnt you just update the rect of the lowest vp first? then move up the order?
15:43:46Lloreanmarkun: Just to be sure, you haven't accidentally turned framerate limiting off, right?
15:43:49amiconnUpdate will just update the specified viewport
15:43:55markunLlorean: no, just checked
15:44:11markunLlorean: other files also still play fine
15:44:12amiconnThat has nothing to do with z order
15:44:33JdGordonhmm.... ok
15:44:38amiconnSince all viewports draw to the same framebuffer, each drawing operation would need checking against all stacked viewports
15:45:20Lloreanmarkun: It's too bad there's no audio to hear at the start. =/
15:45:46markunLlorean: while I was experimenting I converted the original avi to mkv. mkvmerge warned me that there was garbage at the beginning and it would delay the audio to account for that.
15:46:13markunMaybe the mpg has an initial delay for the audio which we should take into account?
15:46:30Lloreanmpegplayer is supposed to take into account that sort of delay, I think
15:47:13LloreanThere have been two cases already where linuxstb has made changes for 'initial avdelay'
15:47:32markunwell, it looks like he might make more changes :)
15:47:39LloreanIndeed
15:47:42markunI have to go now. Talk to you later.
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15:53:04XavierGrhmm good news is that reading the datasheet of ISP1362 chip, overcurrent protection can be disabled by software, so in the end if Rockbox ever support USBOTG my H300 will be able to work normally
15:56:52kramdrawhy does OCP need to be disabled?
15:58:04XavierGrmy USB OTG chip is flacky or an internal connection is missoldered
15:58:18XavierGrsend the unit 2 time in germany and they failed tofix it
15:58:40XavierGrthen I managed to temporarily fix it by myself, but I don't know how exactly I did that :P
15:59:03XavierGrwhenever I connect the USB OTG cable the OF displays an overcurrent warning
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16:00:43roolkucan anyone think of a good reason why wps with many lines cause font corruption in the gigabeat sim (svn)?
16:01:14roolku34 lines corrupt the 8, 35 lines also corrupts the letter O
16:01:45roolkuno (visible) problem on target, but who knows what memory areas are affected there
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16:53:48LearMan, that's quite a topic. :) One item would've been enough...
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17:00:57LloreanI think two of those three could be believable if they were up there on their own.
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17:06:47*billytwowilly got crap about the irc guidelines last night, so probably not.
17:08:24pondlifeIt's gone noon here....
17:13:58kramdravery basic c question, have i done this right? http://paste-it.net/1789/raw/
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17:15:10LearNope, no "automatic" string concatenation in C. See functions like strcpy and strcat.
17:15:41LearAlso, mp3e is never set.
17:16:52kramdrawould i need to copy mp3e similar to "rb = api;"
17:17:09XavierGryay surgery was a success! :D
17:17:37XavierGrwell I didn't manage to disable overcurrent protection but at least USB OTG seems to work again...
17:18:09LearAh, that kind of surgery... :)
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17:20:52XavierGrlear, don't tell me you thought a real surgery :P
17:21:48LearWell, I usually associate the word "surgery" with the medical kind... :)
17:22:03XavierGrnot in this channel :D
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17:22:39XavierGrwell I am not completely satisfied with it, if I fiddle with USB OTG a lot again I think it will break again
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17:23:03*XavierGr can't wait for Rockbox USB OTG support and disable from software overcurrent protection
17:24:37XavierGrin the end I managed to clear the dirty screen too :P
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17:28:30Doug2has anybody ripped apple lossless files with itunes and then used dbpoweramp to convert them to LC AAC and had them successfully play?
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17:29:16Doug2i've tried this, and it seems that rockbox is failing to read the tags or play the files, even though they play fine and the tags show up fine in itunes
17:29:44Doug2also, once i try to play one of these files, rockbox will not successfully play any other songs on the ipod until it is restarted
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17:30:38Doug2it tries to play it and it seems it reads all of the tags successfully, but just sits at play with the time not ticking away
17:30:47LloreanDoug2: You'd basically need to file a bug report with a small sample file that doesn't play so someone can check it and see what's wrong with it.
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17:31:54Doug2do you know of a program that will let me shorten the song to make the file smaller?
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17:32:38LloreanNo, I don't use the Apple formats.
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17:33:38Doug2ok, thanks, i'll search around and see what i can find
17:34:06LloreanDoug2: Before you go through the trouble, you are using an up to date build, right?
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17:36:03Doug2yes, it's actually my girlfriends ipod. when i gave her the songs and they didn't work, that's the first thing that i did. updated the boot loader and the firmware last night
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17:36:26DrakAlright. I've probably missed it in the manual, but so far, the only option for adding more music to your player is using iTunes to add it, then updating the database.
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17:36:47LloreanDrakonik: What do you mean?
17:37:07LloreanDrakonik: You can add music to your player by any method that can move audio files from one drive to another
17:37:26LloreanAnd if you don't use something like iTunes that renames them, you have the option of filetree browsing alongside the database.
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17:38:13DrakonikI got that impression from talking with others, but I didnt see any..."songs" or "music" folder. I've also never found how to browse the file system.
17:38:34LloreanDrakonik: That option "Files" at the top of the main menu?
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17:38:44DrakonikHm.
17:38:51LloreanDrakonik: And the only "songs" or "music" folders would be any you create yourself...
17:39:14LloreanThat's kinda the whole point of filetree browsing... you see the filetree.
17:39:14DrakonikI've played with too much stuff...I think I know what you mean, though.
17:39:17DrakonikYeah.
17:40:08LloreanI mean, just put blah.mp3 in D:\, then choose "Files" and you should see it.
17:40:18LloreanD:\ being whatever drive your iPod is.
17:40:34DrakonikI feel suitably dumber now. I'd kick myself, but I'm too sore.
17:41:01LloreanEh, you get used to how annoyingly limited iTunes is, and you forget things *can* be simple. :)
17:41:29DrakonikHeh.
17:42:05DrakonikOh. While I'm here, I didn't see any way to make the text for all the menus larger.
17:42:12DrakonikIt looks to be 3 or 4 points.
17:42:14LloreanJust pick a larger font.
17:42:18DrakonikHm.
17:42:28LloreanAnd it's twice that size.
17:42:46DrakonikAh. Well, I'm terrible at eye-balling things.
17:43:17LloreanWell, I guess it depends on the pixel packing on the LCD, if you want to use "point"
17:43:35DrakonikGood point.
17:44:00DrakonikMy main point is that I'm squinting like friggin crazy.
17:44:43LloreanYeah, and picking a larger font will solve that
17:44:46DrakonikYup.
17:44:56DrakonikI'll do it next time I get my hands on my ipod.
17:45:08DrakonikI'm done being dumb. Thanks for the help.
17:45:24DrakonikAnd I'll probably be back soon.
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17:49:29pixelmaNico_P: that new version of the tokenizer patch still doesn't work (still a hang on M5)
17:52:54roolkuno (visible) problem on target, but who knows what memory areas are affected there
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18:01:12Xerion_someone should commit a nice april fools :P
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18:01:40*billytwowilly commits a patch that randomly inserts fart noises into songs
18:03:12*petur wanted to commit 'code' that enabled a hidden wifi chipset in ipods :)
18:03:31Xerion:D
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18:49:55sp3ielagree ehm
18:49:59petur?
18:50:52XavierGramiconn: why are you roaring again? :P
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18:57:48roolkuamiconn: I found a bug where puts_scroll may be called with a y value greater than the size of the scroll[] array leading to font corruption in the WPS
18:58:21roolkuamiconn: what do you think is the best fix seeing that the size of the array is unknown outside lcd-*.c
18:58:59amiconnThe scroll code will change soon anyway
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19:01:04roolkuamiconn: so maybe a hardcoded: if(i < MIN((LCD_HEIGHT+4)/5, 32)) will do for the time being?
19:01:19roolkuamiconn: on the caller side
19:01:26amiconnno
19:01:40amiconnI'd rather think the lcd code should do it
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19:02:13amiconnYour check wouldn't work for charcell
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19:04:19roolkuamiconn: okay, so at the start of the function if(y>=SCROLLABLE_LINES) return; as a workaround until viewports are here
19:05:22andrewyI'm about to buy an mp3 player for use with rockbox. Do you guys recommend an iriver h3x0, iaudio x5, or something else?
19:06:41roolkuandrewy: if you don't need recording/radio/spdif get a gigabeat FX0
19:07:28andrewyi don't. that has good rockbox support?
19:08:38roolkuandrewy: I have no complaints, but it is obviously less mature thatn h3x0
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19:11:36sp3ielehm anyone have had such silly error while compiling: ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.got' ; perhaps it's caused by different version of tools i use, binutils-arm 2.17-3
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19:14:55SirFunkhey, this is a little off topic, but does anyone know any lossless video codecs comperable to flac/wavpack/etc in the audio realm?
19:19:24pearldivertheres no such thing, any video in a digital form resembles some sort of a compression
19:20:21Soap?
19:20:27pearldiverso the quality is being determined by the compression ratio
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19:20:42SirFunkpearldiver: even DV?
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19:20:50obohuffyuv??
19:21:10Soapthere are a handful of lossless video compression techniques out there.
19:21:36roolkuobo: yes!
19:21:56idnarthere are probably as many lossless video codecs as lossy
19:22:08idnaralthough most of them are not very well-known
19:22:49SirFunka simple google search didn't come up with much
19:23:15Soapwhat do you need it for, SirFunk ?
19:23:40SirFunki'm a data packrat :-D I have a video of my band playing, and i want to keep around the raw DV but i want it to take up as little space as possible :-D
19:24:18pearldiverisnt a dv an already compressed format? :P
19:24:27SirFunkuhm.. *shrug* idk
19:24:30SirFunklol
19:24:36SirFunkthe files are huge though
19:25:04pearldiverwell it is
19:25:06amiconndv is mjpeg, i.e. compressed
19:25:19SirFunkoh it is, hmm
19:25:21SirFunkinteresting
19:25:25SirFunkdidn't know that
19:25:50SirFunki thoguht there was 'lossless mjpeg'
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19:27:03pearldiverwell
19:27:14pearldiveruncompressed YCbCr is the only lossless video i can think of
19:27:50amiconnAVI can contain uncompressed video, either RGB or YCbCr
19:28:33SoapSirFunk: save it as a 1.5Mbit XviD, you'll never notice the loss.
19:28:51SirFunkheh, probably
19:29:26Soapor burn it to DVD and pack it away.
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19:33:01SirFunkoh wow, huffyuv gets about 2.4:1 ratio.. guess i've never experianced the size of uncompressed video before :-D
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19:41:54linuxstbSirFunk: Out of curiousity, how big is your DV file?
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19:42:28andrewyanyone know if the gigabeat MEG-F40S is supported? I know the F40 is, but can't find any mention of the F40S
19:42:55peturthe S is for Silver
19:43:00petur(afaik)
19:43:03andrewyheh, I see
19:43:06andrewythanks
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20:02:42z0deHydraIRC <- IRC for people who like forced quit messages.
20:03:08peturhehe
20:03:39andrewythey have to get users somehow
20:06:16z0delol
20:07:17z0dealso i do actually have a question. is there anyway to see how long rockbox has been on since the last charge? (without doing battery bench)
20:08:11scorchehydra is actually pretty decent, but lets not get into that here ;)
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20:08:44*scorche senses much discontent about april fools in the logs
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20:11:50*petur gets bored by all that aprilfools crap... most newssites don't even carry a decent article :/
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20:12:27funkypetur: hehe
20:12:50peturno, it was not funny...
20:14:04funkyread sites from places where today is a normal day
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20:14:33z0deSoap: ive seen one and used one but shouldn't have to use one to change a quit message
20:14:55z0deany anwsers to my question?
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20:19:58scorcheSoap: feel free to tell me what bits to change ;)
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20:20:28Soapit isn't a plain-text string you can look for?
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20:29:50scorcheSoap: not that i can see
20:30:04Soaprat bastards
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20:32:50peturHydraIRC <- written by paranoid programmers
20:33:46scorchejust one
20:34:32scorcheand he says that he will remove them when it gets released as 1.0, but i dont see that happening this century....regardless though, i just switched to it from xchat and quite like it
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20:56:49AceNikanyone here know how i can setup a http:// or ftp:// address "to my local machine" im behind a router or proxy i guess , my external ip i constant but & my machine ip is also constant , but they both different, im using a gprs connection to use the internet
20:57:22scorcheand this has what to do with rockbox?
20:57:29SirFunklol
20:58:04AceNikwell id like to setup cutom builds i make on this server i setup
20:59:06scorchewe answer rockbox related questions here...not general server questions
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21:00:03AceNikfine have it your way, althought t would have bin imple to answer , or forward me to some place , its up to you , thanks
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21:41:13webguest65hello
21:41:36webguest65can some 1 help me out?
21:42:04markunwebguest65: what's the problem?
21:42:43webguest65o hi
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21:43:10z0deask and people will try
21:43:25webguest65i installd the rockbox on my ipod 5g video and i dont know how to run my original os
21:43:40z0deas long as its related to rockbox
21:44:18markunwebguest65: check the wiki, in the ipod section you will find the ipodFAQ
21:44:33webguest65ok
21:44:33markunwith the answers to your question(s)
21:44:38webguest65tnx
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21:55:36WilliamGCHow come the zune isn't listed?
21:56:19smablyWilliamGC: somebody must have, uh...forgotten :P
21:56:29smably[seriously, it's a joke. april fools!]
21:56:43glulmhaha :)
21:56:46WilliamGCGeeks have no sense of humor.
21:57:23markunWilliamGC: at least not all of us
21:57:24glulmI hope today's fixes are not a joke though.
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21:57:57WilliamGCIs the iFP790 patch useable?
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21:58:19WilliamGCiRiver's firmware ubersucks.
21:58:22markunWilliamGC: not really yet I think
21:58:40WilliamGCMy iRiver keeps crashing.
21:58:45markunthere is 1 person working on it and committing things from time to time
21:58:48WilliamGCEven after I upgraded.
21:59:47WilliamGCAre there any other places for hacked firmware for iFP790?
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22:01:57LloreanWilliamGC: Not really. There is a slightly modified version of the iRiver firmware, but it wouldn't do anything about crashes, it just alters the allowed recording bitrates (though it doesn't make much difference)
22:02:17WilliamGCYeah, I tried it, didn't notice any difference
22:02:26WilliamGCI'll probably end up getting a new player.
22:02:30LloreanThe Rockbox port for iFP, I believe, can play MP3 but you can't build it at the moment, it's in-between being compilable last I checked
22:02:50WilliamGCUnfortunatly my music collection is all vorbis
22:03:18movezigIs vorbis better than mp3?
22:04:32Lloreanmovezig: Depends on which encoder you use.
22:04:37LloreanVorbis is free-er than MP3 at least.
22:05:02LloreanWilliamGC: Vorbis *might* play back, I really don't know. I know he did some optimizations for it.
22:05:27WilliamGCI used auVuTu whatever its' called
22:05:42smablymovezig: what is "better"?
22:07:46WilliamGCiRiver has really bad compatibility for all non-standard things.
22:07:52WilliamGCIt barely even supports Vorbis
22:08:17LloreanThe iFP supports it particularly bad.
22:08:29LloreanIf you have a playlist of MP3 and Vorbis files, the Vorbis play at a significantly lower volume
22:09:18WilliamGCYeah
22:09:29WilliamGCI don't know why, it's bizzare and annoyin
22:09:55webguest65hello i got my ipof 5g wiht rockbox and i dont like the theme. i downloaded a theme but i dont know what to do next, i serach the wiki btw
22:11:20WilliamGCLive with it.:)
22:11:30WilliamGCI have bigger issues that don't have solutions.
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22:11:58Lloreanwebguest65: In most cases you simply extract the theme directly to your player.
22:12:16webguest65in the .rockbox?
22:12:26LloreanBasically, look at the folders in the theme zip, and look in the .rockbox folder, and you'll see folders with the same name, you just make sure the files from the zip end up in those folders.
22:13:31WilliamGCWhich player has the best support?
22:13:59LloreanBasically, anything without a PortalPlayer chip is pretty well working
22:14:10WilliamGCPortalPlayer?
22:14:12peturarchos, iriver, iaudio I think
22:14:30Lloreanpetur: iRiver h10 is bad though, gotta be careful about brands
22:14:32WilliamGCMy iRiver has crappy support, I suppose getting a newer one would be a good idea.
22:14:50LloreanWilliamGC: Basically, don't look at the H10, any iPod, or the Sansa e200.
22:14:59petursorry master Llorean
22:15:13WilliamGCI heard that a certain format of MP3 tags upsets the iFP790
22:15:34LloreanWilliamGC: Many players are upset by bad tags, especially ApeV2 if they don't skip them properly
22:15:43HochlerHow's the progress with mpegplayer going?
22:15:45WilliamGCI don't use ape though
22:16:03Lloreanpetur: Just pointing it out. It'd be sad if someone tried an H10 and thought that was a "good" Rockbox player. :)
22:16:07WilliamGCI generally rebuild all of my Mp3s and retag them on download.
22:16:23LloreanWilliamGC: Anyway, this channel isn't really about original firmwares
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22:16:41WilliamGCYou're more helpful then the forum.
22:16:46LloreanHochler: There are still bugs, and they're still getting fixed.
22:17:04WilliamGCIt has things like iRiver sucks, or questions with no replies.
22:17:09LloreanWilliamGC: I'm as helpful as the Rockbox forum, and here like there we try to stay on topic.
22:17:16WilliamGCsorry
22:17:21HochlerLlorean: Cool, was just curious.
22:17:33WilliamGCIf I wanted to build the patch, how would I do it in Windows?
22:17:55LloreanWilliamGC: It's not really a "patch", it's an entirely new firmware.
22:18:07HochlerLlorean: Is there a chance for full-speed 320x240 on the iPod video, or is that out of reach?
22:18:25LloreanWilliamGC: You'll have to look into the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page at the rockbox site. But odds are good the iFP build will fail to finish compiling.
22:18:48LloreanHochler: Very, very, very unlikely. In fact, probably impossible unless someone comes up with a way to use the built in chip, which nobody on Rockbox is currently investigating.
22:18:50WilliamGCOh, you have to patch the original firmware to create a backdoor.
22:19:00LloreanWilliamGC: Yep, but that's just the 'bootloader'
22:19:11LloreanI do believe there's a precompiled version of that on the wiki
22:19:23HochlerLlorean: Ah, OK. Thanks.
22:19:49WilliamGCI suppose I'll just have to get a new music player.
22:20:57WilliamGCI bought 2 Sansa players on EBay for 7 dollars together.
22:21:00LloreanHochler: The iPod's CPU is basically just too slow, and the screen too big. With the original firmware the Broadcom chip does all the video stuff, but there's no documentation for it, and it'd be a very, very lot of work to try to reverse engineer it, for it to only benefit one (or two if you count 5.5G as separate) targets.
22:21:08WilliamGCThey may either be defective or damaged.
22:21:10WilliamGCOh well
22:21:43peturWilliamGC: that was quick ;)
22:21:53WilliamGCI got them about an hour ago
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22:22:12WilliamGCMy best friend took electronics in tech school, if they don't work I'll probably send him one.
22:22:45HochlerLlorean: Ah, OK. Will there be a player that can play at full-res and full-speed?
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22:23:23WilliamGCWasn't there an article on Rockbox a few months ago in a tech magazine?
22:23:44peturWilliamGC: lots
22:24:33peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox
22:25:34LloreanHochler: My Gigabeat can play 320x240 at 25fps and 320x176 at 30
22:25:53WilliamGCIt was the Popular Science one.
22:29:25webguest65can some 1 give me the link to rockbuy? tnx
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22:29:44Lloreanwebguest65: If you mean "rockboy", I suggest reading the manual
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22:31:07WilliamGChaha
22:31:36webguest65the rockboy is not in my rockbox plugins. what do i do?
22:31:56webguest65cam i download it?
22:32:04pixelmamaybe read the manual? ;)
22:32:16JavaMan22ok
22:32:22JavaMan22you need to have a rom file
22:32:28JavaMan22.gb or .gbc
22:32:46JavaMan22then in your file browser hold the select button and open with rockboy
22:33:03webguest65i do i got a gb and gbc rom
22:33:27JavaMan22ok then do what i just told you to do
22:33:53pixelmayou don't have to "open with" just select the .gb(c) like you would play a song
22:33:58JavaMan22find your rom file and open with rockboy
22:34:06JavaMan22yeh
22:34:11webguest65ow ok
22:34:52webguest651 more question. wher do i drop my roms in .rockbox?
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22:35:44JavaMan22you dont
22:35:56webguest65? i dont?
22:35:59JavaMan22you should drop them in any folder actually
22:36:14JavaMan22you could put in .rockbox
22:36:17webguest65i made a folder named "Gameboy"
22:36:29JavaMan22but i think it would be more organized if you made a folder called gameboy yeh
22:36:31webguest65in the .rockbox
22:36:41JavaMan22anywhere .rockbox or whereever you want
22:36:43webguest65kk tnx
22:37:02JavaMan22doesnt have to be in .rockbox
22:37:27pixelmabut .rockbox is not the best place for it as it is hidden by default - just put your gameboy folder in the root
22:37:40webguest65ow ok
22:38:18*petur curses whoever ported jewels to rockbox. My wife got addicted to it and it now leaves me without a device to test code on :( Yes I know, buy another one ;)
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22:41:28webguest65i cant find the roms. do i seach in database?
22:41:29pearldivererm can you hotplug vga?
22:41:37pearldiversorry for offtopic
22:42:24dionoeapearldiver: sure
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22:42:46pearldiverand its not dangerous?
22:42:53pearldiverfor equipment
22:43:03dionoeapeople do it all the time ... unless you're talking about inserting the card :)
22:43:17dionoeabut if it's just the VGA adapter, you should be ok
22:44:00pearldiverok thanks
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22:45:15webguest65i cant find the roms on rockbox
22:45:39pearldiverdionoea i guess the same thing is true for the dvi connection?
22:46:23dionoeayeah (i've never used those but i'm sure people plug them in/out all the time)
22:46:41peturwebguest65: what extensions did you gave them?
22:46:54pearldiveri just grew up with computers around that didnt have over voltage protection heh
22:47:04peturwebguest65: use .gb or .gbc
22:47:14pearldiveri never thought about vga being hotplugable
22:47:20JavaMan22webguest
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22:47:39JavaMan22make sure your rom files end with .gb or .gbc
22:47:52*petur hears echoes
22:47:53JavaMan22and make sure you are looking at same place where you placed them :D
22:47:56pixelmawebguest65: you won't find them in the database browser - you can access them through the file browser ("files" in the main menu) and of they are still in .rockbox you'd have to switch file view to "all"
22:48:04JavaMan22i didnt see your line
22:48:34webguest65ow tnx guys
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22:49:46webguest75sup dude
22:49:51TofuSCHNITZELi would like to know if a specal feature is finally integrated in rockbox
22:50:02webguest75wuts that
22:50:18JavaMan22i like tofu
22:50:25webguest75eww
22:50:27webguest75tofu sux
22:50:42JavaMan22you suck
22:50:50webguest75naw man tofu does
22:51:04TofuSCHNITZELis it possible to put the ipod with rockbox to a usb powerplug, and rockbox is not rebooting but just recharching?
22:51:06pearldivererm?
22:51:09TofuSCHNITZELat last?
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22:51:51linuxstbTofuSCHNITZEL: Yes
22:51:59TofuSCHNITZELcool
22:52:03JavaMan22really?
22:52:03TofuSCHNITZELbut how to use it
22:52:11JavaMan22yes tell please :D
22:52:27linuxstbHuh? You just plug it in...
22:52:29webguest65I got it to work tnx guys
22:52:35TofuSCHNITZELis there a menu setting like (on usb plug do not reboot)
22:52:42TofuSCHNITZELif i put it on a power plug
22:52:43linuxstbOr do you mean plug it via USB to a computer?
22:52:46TofuSCHNITZELit is rebooting
22:52:48TofuSCHNITZELand rebooting
22:52:53TofuSCHNITZELand so on
22:52:57linuxstbTofuSCHNITZEL: When did you last update Rockbox?
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22:53:04TofuSCHNITZELbut i want rockbox to run continously
22:53:08TofuSCHNITZELwhile recharching
22:53:17TofuSCHNITZELabout 5 mins ago
22:53:17amiconnThen you either don't use a pure USB power plug, or using an old rockbox build
22:53:37TofuSCHNITZELi have to admit i havent tested it jet
22:53:40TofuSCHNITZELwith the new one
22:53:51TofuSCHNITZELi thought there will be an menu option
22:53:53linuxstbWhen did you last update (before 5 mins ago) ?
22:54:05moveziggood night!
22:54:06TofuSCHNITZEL1 week ago
22:54:38linuxstbThere used to be a bug in Rockbox were it wouldn't correctly distinguish between a USB connection to a power plug, and a USB connection to a computer, but that was fixed a few months ago.
22:55:02TofuSCHNITZELah
22:55:03TofuSCHNITZELok
22:55:06TofuSCHNITZELi just
22:55:11TofuSCHNITZELtried it
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22:55:35TofuSCHNITZELrockbox didnt reboot but i could not se if it is really reloading
22:55:49TofuSCHNITZELbut maybe there is just a image missing
22:55:55TofuSCHNITZELlike the original fw
22:55:59TofuSCHNITZELthere is a litte flash
22:56:02JavaMan22chopper should have 10 highscores
22:56:03TofuSCHNITZELif its recharching
22:56:11JavaMan22and have name entries
22:56:14TofuSCHNITZELwhats you highscore in chopper?
22:56:24JavaMan225430
22:56:32JavaMan22something like that 5400
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22:57:24TofuSCHNITZELawww
22:57:26TofuSCHNITZELshit
22:57:28TofuSCHNITZELdamn
22:57:31x1jmpWhat's the easiest way to convert endianess of 64 bit types on Rockbox as well as on the host?
22:57:38TofuSCHNITZELi only got 1760
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22:58:02JavaMan22hehe
22:58:16TofuSCHNITZELok i will let rockbox running and pluged in
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22:58:52TofuSCHNITZELand we will se if its really recharging (using the power from the powerplug)
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22:59:54linuxstbx1jmp: Rockbox ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN and ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN #defines - see autoconf.h in your build directory. There are also some byte-swapping macros in system.h, but only up to 32-bits
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23:00:04linuxstb^Rockbox has...
23:00:21linuxstbx1jmp: What needs 64-bit byte-swapping?
23:00:49x1jmplinuxstb: the dict plugin to hande offsets for the 7-8 GiB wikipedia dump
23:01:04x1jmps/hande/handle
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23:01:10amiconnx1jmp: Forget that. You can't have files that big on fat32 anyway
23:01:24x1jmpamiconn: they are splitted
23:01:58x1jmpamiconn: the offset also defines which file to use
23:02:13amiconnWhy not just split the address as well in this case?
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23:03:33TofuSCHNITZELcool its really working
23:03:38x1jmpamiconn: they should be usable on other devices (no DAPs) as well, so RB is only the exception that uses file splitting
23:03:43TofuSCHNITZELthe battery lev raised
23:03:59*amiconn wonders who will sacrifice multiple gigabytes for a dictionary on a dap
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23:04:14amiconnOkay, with 100GB+ it won't be that much of a problem
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23:04:32*x1jmp wonders whe needs >20 GiBs for music
23:04:36TofuSCHNITZELbut a battery pic with a flash (for recharching) would be good
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23:05:16amiconnx1jmp: That's easily exceeded when using a lossless format
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23:06:14BigMacDOn't know if I am doing anything wrong, but I used playlist>insert to input a cd, then just qued 2 other cds, but the playlist would play one song then change to a different song from the next cd
23:06:19BigMacand shuffle was not on
23:06:39*linuxstb should stop wasting his time with mpegplayer and get the av300 working with a 160GB disk...
23:06:59BigMaclinuxstb: woh woh woh lets not be hasty:p
23:07:07x1jmpamiconn: I think most people don't use lossless formats, and nevertheless I would use up to 8 GiB for having wikipedia everywhere
23:07:19BigMacYour progress with mpegplayer has been astounding
23:07:28amiconnlinuxstb: There are even 200GB 3.5" hdds available now; unfortunately only sata models afaik
23:07:47amiconnErm, 2.5"
23:08:00linuxstbYes, it seems all the >160GB are SATA only...
23:08:20JavaMan22linuxstb why cant brightness work again?
23:08:43JavaMan22i want a brightness option real bad :/
23:08:52JavaMan22that actually saves battery
23:09:06TofuSCHNITZELi would like a alarm clock that plays music
23:09:21x1jmpback to my question to change endianess, do I have to use my own macros for 64 bit types or would some dev just add them for me?
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23:09:38JavaMan22well rockbox can resume playback at a time that you set
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23:09:54JavaMan22so you already have it tofu
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23:11:29TofuSCHNITZELoh ok
23:12:30*petur wonders what 'make tags' does
23:13:05TofuSCHNITZELbut the id3 tag editing is not working yet?
23:13:26Bagderpetur: indexes the sources and makes a TAGS file
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23:15:47TofuSCHNITZELallright thx people
23:16:04TofuSCHNITZELnow i love rockbox even more
23:16:17TofuSCHNITZELdie apple!
23:16:22JavaMan22i second that
23:16:24JavaMan22>:o
23:16:32JavaMan22except playing mp4s
23:17:26TofuSCHNITZELgood night @ all greetings from little austria
23:21:25JavaMan22:)
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23:38:16linuxstbLlorean: Regarding the latest post in the gigabeat forum - it sounds like the poster can't access the gigabeat anymore - which I think is what happens when the FWIMG01.DAT is invalid....
23:39:16Lloreanlinuxstb: Okay, made it a bit more useful then. :)
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23:40:10Lloreanlinuxstb: I'll admit I wasn't in much mood to help the guy at all, having seen his post on the same issue at the MyGigabeat forums.
23:40:12linuxstbSounds like the gigabeat is the most easily bricked of our targets...
23:40:42LloreanYeah, it really is.
23:42:32peturouch
23:42:42LloreanBut it's also pretty easy to un-brick.
23:42:59peturso it's not really bricked
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23:43:05Lloreanpetur: It requires opening the player
23:43:20peturaha
23:43:31LloreanI think this is our definition of "brick": Requires opening the player, or special hardware or software tools.
23:43:42LloreanSo, once you need e200tool, the Sansa is "bricked" in a sense.
23:44:00Soul-SlayerSurely though 'brick' should mean 'it has become a brick, therefore totally beyond repair'
23:44:00peturfair enough
23:44:09LloreanSoul-Slayer: There's no such thing, though.
23:44:23LloreanExcept grievous hardware damage to the point where repairing it constitutes the purchase of a new player.
23:44:37Soul-SlayerWell, 'unable for the average user to repair'
23:44:53LloreanI'd say opening the player is beyond the "average" user, as is e200tool. :)
23:45:07LloreanOr at least, the "average" user *thinks* they are.
23:45:18Soul-SlayerFair point.
23:45:44LloreanThough I wish people wouldn't say "Rockbox bricked my X" so often
23:46:50Soul-SlayerSomewhere there should be bolded, underlined clarification as to its true terminoligy then :p.
23:47:43LloreanI think we do have a definition of it, at least for forum use.
23:47:53Soul-SlayerWell it needs bolding :p
23:48:09LloreanBut the problem is, if they do something stupid while installing Rockbox, then it's "Rockbox bricked it" not "I bricked it before I even managed to start Rockbox"
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23:48:18Soul-SlayerLol
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23:49:22Soul-SlayerI honestly don't see the instructions hard to follow for any targets
23:51:52Bagderthe problem is rather the people, not the instructions
23:52:22LloreanMany, many people get in a rush and skip over things, or assume things.
23:52:42LloreanAnd it's remarkable how many people completely skip the "Installing the Firmware" section of the manual, and just install a bootlaoder
23:53:33linuxstbWe should try and help Domonoky get rbutil ready for release - it will solve all sorts of problems...
23:53:59LloreanWhat hurdles are left?
23:54:55linuxstbIt's just cleaning up, testing and bug-fixing I think... The Mac version needs some work - it compiles and runs, but it could do with some work to make it more "Mac-like".
23:55:25LloreanAlright, I'm off.
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