| 00:00:11 | bluebrother | please put the german part of the conversation to PM ;-) |
| 00:00:26 | vertic23 | oh, sorry |
| 00:00:37 | bluebrother | np. |
| 00:00:38 | vertic23 | should I translate to the other? ;P |
| 00:00:56 | bluebrother | I guess it wasn't anything important *g* |
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| 00:01:09 | vertic23 | hehehe |
| 00:01:10 | bluebrother | and there is always babelfish :D |
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| 00:01:37 | bluebrother | I'm using irc since quite a while now but wasn't aware of that shortcut |
| 00:02:52 | TrueJournals | I love Opera for that... I just selected the text and was able to translate :-p |
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| 00:04:12 | vertic23 | really? |
| 00:04:15 | vertic23 | like... |
| 00:04:18 | vertic23 | re = return |
| 00:04:22 | vertic23 | and then... |
| 00:04:25 | vertic23 | wb = welcome back |
| 00:04:29 | vertic23 | it's common... |
| 00:05:13 | bluebrother | I know re ... but haven't been wb'ed too often. We usually don't use this kind of "status" messages here. |
| 00:05:14 | pixelma | TrueJournals: try to let it translate "rockbox" ;) |
| 00:05:25 | TrueJournals | it just says rockbox |
| 00:05:35 | bluebrother | oooh. |
| 00:05:43 | TrueJournals | as far as I know, it puts it where it should be in the text... |
| 00:05:46 | bluebrother | couldn't it try to translate it word by word? |
| 00:06:19 | TrueJournals | Translating: Rockbox is an alternative firmware for audio jukeboxes. |
| 00:06:32 | TrueJournals | (into German) |
| 00:06:42 | TrueJournals | comes out: Rockbox ist eine alternative Mikroprogrammaufstellung für Audiojukeboxes. |
| 00:06:48 | bluebrother | hehe ... google translates Rockbox to "Rockbox" but "Rock box" into "Felsenkasten" |
| 00:07:00 | pixelma | lol |
| 00:07:14 | amiconn | Try translating 'Rockbox' from german to english... |
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| 00:07:21 | pixelma | TrueJournals: I meant ... beaten |
| 00:07:30 | bluebrother | I just tried translating the Rockbox frontpage |
| 00:07:37 | bluebrother | Rockbox ist eine geöffnete Quellwiedereinbaumikroprogrammaufstellung für Spieler mp3. |
| 00:07:56 | bluebrother | ROTFL |
| 00:08:08 | TrueJournals | "Quellwiedereinbaumikroprogrammaufstellung" |
| 00:08:11 | TrueJournals | what the...? |
| 00:08:30 | TrueJournals | "Source re-installation microprogram list" |
| 00:08:59 | bluebrother | "Skirt box" is also somewhat ... nice *g* |
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| 00:27:07 | petur | bah... rebuilding arm crosscompiler using rockboxdev.sh failed after 45 minutes with an error (under cygwin) :/ |
| 00:27:49 | amiconn | ermmmm |
| 00:28:07 | amiconn | petur: Iirc you wrote properties.rock? |
| 00:28:29 | petur | yes... shall I hide now? |
| 00:28:38 | amiconn | I dunno |
| 00:28:55 | vertic23 | lol |
| 00:28:55 | amiconn | In the player sim it shows weird values for file date and tim |
| 00:28:57 | amiconn | e |
| 00:29:40 | amiconn | E.g. 2015/00/22, 25:08 |
| 00:29:52 | amiconn | Note month '00' and hour '25' |
| 00:30:04 | petur | hmmm |
| 00:30:39 | amiconn | Actual date & time is 2007/04/07, 00:26 |
| 00:31:00 | amiconn | There are several possible reasons |
| 00:31:35 | amiconn | (1) a sim-only problem. (2) a non-rtc-target problem. (3) a combination of both |
| 00:32:10 | petur | (2) seems not an issue as the date/time are those stored in the direntry |
| 00:32:37 | amiconn | Found that while testing something quite different: Introducing lcd_update() for charcell everywhere |
| 00:33:10 | petur | it does quite a bit of shifting to get date and time (line 93,...) |
| 00:34:25 | amiconn | (2) is ruled out as it works on target (player) |
| 00:34:41 | petur | oh... it's only on the sim? |
| 00:35:04 | amiconn | 00:28:56] <amiconn> In the player sim it shows weird values for file date and time |
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| 00:35:29 | cadu_ | yoo! :) |
| 00:35:58 | TrueJournals | Ummm... hi? |
| 00:36:08 | TrueJournals | Or should I say Mii! |
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| 00:45:13 | * | petur build player target version iso sim.... good thing cygwin isn't so slow :/ |
| 00:46:09 | amiconn | Also happens in other sims |
| 00:46:30 | petur | h3x0 sim looked ok here |
| 00:47:32 | petur | err.... nope |
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| 00:47:55 | amiconn | You don't always get out-of-bounds months and hours, but the date is always off |
| 00:48:18 | petur | older files are ok, recent files are wrong |
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| 00:49:37 | petur | forget me, all files have wrong date/time |
| 00:49:43 | amiconn | A file from May 2006 shows up here as being from 2014. No out-of-bounds values though |
| 00:50:15 | petur | I'll see if I can find where this comes from |
| 00:50:30 | kkurbjun | is anyone around that has agigabeat X |
| 00:51:01 | kkurbjun | - a Gigabeat X? |
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| 00:54:33 | pearldiver | kkurbjun what about it? |
| 00:55:28 | kkurbjun | I have a patch on the bootloader and the ATA interface that I want to make sure works on the X |
| 00:56:19 | kkurbjun | it's not really complete, but I'm trying to make sure all the ports are initialized in the hopes that one day we can get rid of the toshiba bootloader |
| 00:58:19 | kkurbjun | peardiver, do you have one that you wouldn't mind testing with? |
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| 01:00:30 | petur | amiconn: the problem is most probably in io.c where a time_t value is 'converted' to date and time in a rather unusual way (line 158) |
| 01:02:12 | pearldiver | kkurbjun i dont, but i think it shouldnt be any different from F |
| 01:02:24 | pearldiver | what does the patch do? |
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| 01:05:43 | kkurbjun | pearldiver, ahh, I thought there were some problems getting usb working on the F after it was working on the X. do the F and X share the same main board? It just matches up the bootloader to the iriver bootloader, it gives a usb mode if the cable is plugged in automatically, I have started the port initialization like I mentioned, I also added coldstart detection. On my player startup is a bit faster and I don't hear the clicks I |
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| 01:08:16 | pearldiver | kkurbjun yes, everything is the same |
| 01:08:20 | kkurbjun | I also took out the code that toggled GPG12 as no one seemed to know what it did and toffe82's notes/tracing didn't find an endpoint for it. |
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| 01:11:23 | kkurbjun | I'll just commit it then once I have the port initialization done. |
| 01:11:44 | pearldiver | interesting |
| 01:12:47 | amiconn | petur: Haha, that implementation is certainly a bit too trivial ... |
| 01:13:07 | petur | indeed |
| 01:13:30 | petur | fix underway (come on cygwin) |
| 01:15:01 | amiconn | Using localtime() ? |
| 01:16:19 | kkurbjun | pealdiver, were you involved in figuring out the USB connection initially on the F/X? |
| 01:16:26 | petur | amiconn: that or gmtime... |
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| 01:16:45 | dropandho | hey guys! haven't come on here in a while |
| 01:16:55 | dropandho | just a silly quick question that i cant seem to find the answer to |
| 01:17:06 | kkurbjun | sorry, pearldiver that is |
| 01:17:17 | dropandho | i'm running an old build on my h120.... v. 060814 |
| 01:17:26 | amiconn | localtime() is more rockbox-like |
| 01:17:34 | dropandho | i want to place a new build on it...but would like to save my current settings |
| 01:17:38 | kkurbjun | gaim doesn't seem to want to autocomplete names |
| 01:17:46 | pearldiver | kkurbjun nope, toffe would be the right guy here but he's on vacation till next wed |
| 01:17:47 | dropandho | is that possible with all the changes...and how? |
| 01:17:57 | pearldiver | kkurbjun you can always catch markun |
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| 01:19:04 | kkurbjun | I've already talked to markun, he couldn't recall the details, I'll wait till toffe gets back to run my understanding of the hardware by him |
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| 01:20:08 | dropandho | sorry to bother you guys...if there is a link that you can throw my way, that would work just as well |
| 01:20:59 | petur | dropandho: save your settings to a file and hope the new version will read it |
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| 01:21:18 | dropandho | petur- thanks for the info |
| 01:21:25 | dropandho | i'll cross my fingers! |
| 01:21:34 | dropandho | any info as to how i save to file? |
| 01:21:57 | petur | somewhere in manage settings |
| 01:22:03 | petur | write .cfg file |
| 01:22:11 | dropandho | great |
| 01:22:12 | dropandho | thanks! |
| 01:22:15 | dropandho | i appreciate it |
| 01:22:20 | petur | np |
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| 01:31:06 | dropandho | also..i notice that i dont need the rockbox.iriver file in root anymore...can i just simply delete that file after i drop in the new .rockbox folder on my h120? |
| 01:31:24 | petur | yes |
| 01:32:31 | dropandho | thanks again |
| 01:32:33 | dropandho | im excited |
| 01:32:39 | dropandho | u guys have been busy the past year! |
| 01:36:21 | dropandho | hmm- weird |
| 01:36:31 | petur | amiconn: where do the (small) savings on non-charcell targets come from? |
| 01:36:58 | pixelma | he told me it's because code cleanup |
| 01:37:07 | petur | ah |
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| 01:39:06 | pixelma | sokoban has become ugly (I wanted to update manual screenshots) - and on Mini you can't see much of the game at all |
| 01:39:36 | petur | bah... red :( |
| 01:39:39 | pixelma | it's unplayable |
| 01:40:12 | dropandho | my old .rockbox folder is a few megs bigger then the new builds...seems normal to u guys? |
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| 01:41:49 | petur | weird, builds ok on cygwin but fails to find localtime() on linux :( |
| 01:41:56 | * | petur fires up virtualbox |
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| 01:46:38 | amiconn | petur: The small savings are due to some minor cleanup |
| 01:46:55 | petur | in debug_menu I guess |
| 01:47:05 | amiconn | E.g. in a debug function, there was a switch() which called lcd_clear_display() from every case: |
| 01:47:16 | amiconn | Now it's called once before the switch() |
| 01:47:21 | petur | yes I just saw that |
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| 01:47:58 | amiconn | petur: YOu do #include time.h, don't you? |
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| 01:48:28 | petur | yes, but obviously the wrong one or location |
| 01:48:36 | petur | builds ok on cygwin |
| 01:49:18 | petur | hmmmm builds ok on ubuntu too |
| 01:49:36 | amiconn | Looks like it should be time.h, not sys/time.h |
| 01:50:28 | dropandho | so i just did my upgrade...but i can't seem to browse fonts..any thoughts? |
| 01:51:15 | pixelma | did you delete your old .rockbox dir? |
| 01:51:33 | dropandho | i didnt delete the actual dir |
| 01:51:36 | dropandho | just the content |
| 01:51:39 | dropandho | and replaced it with the new |
| 01:51:40 | pixelma | I mean - not just unzipped the new one over the old |
| 01:51:51 | petur | amiconn: I'm not very familiar with the headerfiles on linux/... - coming from a windows dev environment |
| 01:52:05 | pixelma | dropandho: then I guess you deleted your font folder too |
| 01:52:32 | dropandho | ha! |
| 01:52:35 | dropandho | look at that |
| 01:52:40 | dropandho | the new one doesnt have a fonts folder |
| 01:52:41 | dropandho | ma bad |
| 01:52:43 | dropandho | thanks! |
| 01:52:53 | pixelma | you'll need to get the now seperate fonts.zip from the build page |
| 01:53:59 | dropandho | i'm on build.rockbox.org...but dont see it listed |
| 01:54:17 | pixelma | ah no... you can find it in "extras" http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#Fonts |
| 01:55:16 | petur | the link is in the side bar below current build |
| 01:55:16 | amiconn | petur: Hmm.... it builds, but 1980/00/00 clearly isn't correct |
| 01:55:32 | petur | :( |
| 01:56:31 | petur | under linux or cygwin? |
| 01:56:38 | amiconn | linux |
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| 01:57:54 | petur | amiconn: how to get sdl in ubuntu? |
| 01:58:15 | amiconn | idk... debian here |
| 01:58:28 | amiconn | Should be similar though, as ubuntu is debian based |
| 01:58:38 | petur | how's the package called? |
| 01:58:39 | dropandho | great! i'm in business |
| 01:58:41 | dropandho | great work guys |
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| 01:59:02 | dropandho | and the last question from me for a while...is their anyway to default to the files screen when starting up? |
| 01:59:18 | amiconn | libsdl1.2-dev |
| 01:59:29 | amiconn | (should install its dependencies as well) |
| 01:59:51 | pixelma | dropandho: yes: settings > general settings > system > start screen |
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| 02:00:13 | * | amiconn fires up 32 bit debian |
| 02:00:13 | petur | amiconn: thanks, installing now |
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| 02:03:17 | donutman25 | is there any disadvantage of having a binary size that is over 5mb? |
| 02:04:56 | pixelma | Nico_P: ]RowaN[ reported problems with a part of his wps earlier here... |
| 02:05:20 | Nico_P | pixelma: I'm reading the bug report :) |
| 02:05:35 | amiconn | petur: Works okay on debian-i686, but on debian-amd64 it's 1980/00/00 00:00 => 64 bit issue |
| 02:06:07 | petur | yes, just saw it working ok in ubuntu here (32 bit) |
| 02:06:33 | pixelma | Nico_P: ok :) |
| 02:07:10 | Nico_P | his code looks wrong to me |
| 02:07:25 | Nico_P | ... or not |
| 02:07:48 | petur | amiconn: I'm gonna leave it for today, feel free to find out what's wrong ;) - I don't have any 64bit system here anyway |
| 02:08:15 | amiconn | Nah, not now |
| 02:08:30 | * | amiconn needs to get some sleep |
| 02:08:42 | * | petur too |
| 02:09:00 | petur | well I'm off then ;) |
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| 02:11:29 | amiconn | Hmm, that was nearly trivial |
| 02:11:48 | amiconn | struct sim_dirent was declared different from (rockbox core) struct dirent |
| 02:12:14 | amiconn | Didn't matter on 32bit because sizeof(int) == sizeof(long). No longer true on amd64... |
| 02:16:50 | Nico_P | pixelma: just read the log. thanks for testing roolku's line :) |
| 02:17:38 | Nico_P | ]RowaN[: here ? |
| 02:21:00 | pixelma | was just curious :) ...gotta get some sleep though |
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| 02:25:33 | JavaMan22 | can i run a script in cygwin? |
| 02:25:39 | JavaMan22 | like test.bat |
| 02:25:45 | JavaMan22 | because its not working :( |
| 02:26:16 | JavaMan22 | nvm it worked |
| 02:27:26 | JavaMan22 | it wont do the ../tools/configure in my script tho |
| 02:27:57 | JavaMan22 | '..' is not a recognized command << how to fix this |
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| 02:38:33 | donutman25 | where can i find the source for sansapatcher? |
| 02:38:50 | Nico_P | donutman25: rbutil/sansapatcher |
| 02:44:36 | Nico_P | is ipodfoo/billy here (reporter of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6792) ? |
| 02:44:56 | JavaMan22 | help meh |
| 02:44:59 | JavaMan22 | i asked first |
| 02:45:48 | Nico_P | JavaMan22: I have no idea why you have your problem. my only suggestion is to use the vmware image, or better switch to linux :) |
| 02:47:03 | JavaMan22 | okie |
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| 02:50:00 | Beta | Instead of browsing the forums for rediculously long amounts of time, do you mind if I ask a few questions about the current and planned builds for the sansa e200 series? |
| 02:53:40 | Nico_P | Beta: what do you mean by "current and planned builds" ? Also you should know that plans are not done very often here |
| 02:55:34 | Beta | I just have a few questions about the functionality of the current version, and a few more questions about any features that will or might be implemented in the future |
| 02:56:36 | Nico_P | Beta: ask them, it's the best way of getting the answers :) |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:15 | Beta | First of all, I haven't seen any documentation on recording with the player. The record button has no effect, and I haven't found any references to it in the software. Is it supported, if not, is there a project to implement it? |
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| 03:07:12 | Nico_P | Beta: I think there's code to support recording but it's still very basic, as on all portalplayer targets |
| 03:07:33 | Nico_P | Beta: and it won't use the record button. It'll be an entry in the main menu |
| 03:10:27 | Beta | Hmm, ok. Next question, FM Radio is not supported, but it seems work is being done on it. How soon can I expect it? |
| 03:12:07 | Nico_P | Beta: there is no knowing. People work on it when they have time |
| 03:13:32 | Beta | I currently have to boot my player with it's original firmware when I connect it to my computer. Will USB connection be supported in future versions? |
| 03:14:57 | Nico_P | hopefully it will :) |
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| 03:15:36 | Beta | How about MicroSD memory expansion? |
| 03:17:03 | Nico_P | same thing. I can't give you precise answers about progress because I'm not involved in the port. I can only tell you that we don't estimate release dates or give an estimation of when a feature will be implemented |
| 03:17:38 | Beta | I was actually just wondering if it will be done at all |
| 03:18:03 | Nico_P | it will probably be done but there's no knowing whne |
| 03:18:09 | Nico_P | when* |
| 03:18:53 | Beta | Lastly, where do I go to find out how to make a theme/skin/wps? |
| 03:19:38 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 03:20:10 | Nico_P | and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
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| 03:21:32 | Beta | Well, I've skinned more difficult programs, but certainly easier ones. |
| 03:22:13 | Nico_P | Beta: once you get used to it, the syntax is quite nice to use |
| 03:23:26 | Beta | Cool, thanks for your help! |
| 03:23:40 | Nico_P | you're welcome ;) |
| 03:26:29 | Beta | Might I ask what part of a the project you are involved with? |
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| 03:27:33 | Nico_P | Beta: the main things I've done are cuesheet support, the very recent new WPS code and the album art patch |
| 03:28:07 | Beta | Hmm, album art you say? |
| 03:29:03 | Nico_P | Beta: yes, but it's still an unofficial feature. To use it you need to compile your own version of rockbox or use an unofficial build |
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| 05:01:54 | Sufaso | Hello all. Which MP3 player does RockBox work best on and have the most features supported on? |
| 05:02:31 | scorche | well, are there specific features you are looking for? |
| 05:02:52 | Sufaso | see, i was hoping to be able to use all the features in RockBox. |
| 05:03:14 | Sufaso | And i own zero MP3 players. And i want to buy a MP3 and throw RockBox on it. |
| 05:03:21 | capo | i heard archos is the best, but im not really sure |
| 05:03:28 | TrueJournals | Well, I believe different features work better on different players |
| 05:03:29 | scorche | not for features |
| 05:03:31 | TrueJournals | there is no one best |
| 05:03:41 | Sufaso | tell me more |
| 05:03:44 | TrueJournals | I know that Mpegplayer works best on the Gigabeat... |
| 05:03:49 | scorche | each player has its own advantages and disadvantages |
| 05:04:20 | Sufaso | So a Sansa works just as well as the iPod Nano both running RockBox? |
| 05:04:23 | scorche | Sufaso: just tell us exactly what you are looking for...being specific is good |
| 05:04:27 | scorche | no |
| 05:04:27 | capo | and playing doom is great on the sansa, but i dunno how that compares to the others... |
| 05:04:37 | scorche | the sansa is a relatively new port |
| 05:04:40 | TrueJournals | Sufaso: Sansa is still in ther early development stages |
| 05:04:50 | TrueJournals | Therefor, a nano would most likely work better |
| 05:04:56 | TrueJournals | *Therefore (?) |
| 05:04:58 | scorche | ...it does |
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| 05:05:48 | Sufaso | OK, thanx for the input. I will do some more homework on this and study up more on the features i need and get back to you all in due time. Thanks all! =) |
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| 05:06:59 | capo | hey, kinda off-topic, but you guys recommend any tech podcasts? |
| 05:07:06 | capo | besides the twit casts |
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| 05:08:03 | scorche | why are you sighing?....this isnt a social channel |
| 05:08:31 | capo | i know |
| 05:09:22 | scorche | if you knew, then why ask? |
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| 08:02:01 | Good_Apollo | yo |
| 08:02:04 | Good_Apollo | anyone help me? |
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| 08:02:50 | * | Good_Apollo needs to find Halflife for rockbox |
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| 08:03:26 | midkay | patient fellow... |
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| 08:26:49 | BHSPitMonkey | devcon coming up already? |
| 08:26:57 | BHSPitMonkey | Developers Developers Developers Developers! |
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| 09:55:36 | toer | */j kolab |
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| 10:20:16 | markun | I see and article claiming that rockbox is linux based. What's the best place to link them to? RockboxKernel wiki? |
| 10:20:26 | markun | s/and/an/ |
| 10:23:13 | Genre9mp3 | I remember a german article some time ago claiming the same thing |
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| 10:24:49 | markun | fuck, just misspelled rockbox in the subject of my reply.. :) |
| 10:26:02 | petur | lol |
| 10:26:15 | Genre9mp3 | markun: link of the article? |
| 10:27:47 | markun | This is the original article: http://www.mattparnell.com/view/Blog/MyTinkerings/GetMoreFromYouriPod:RockboxandiPodLinux/ |
| 10:28:45 | markun | The think I replied to was a blog just quoting this, so I replied to my own post (as I couldn't edit it) with a sorry |
| 10:29:10 | markun | "You can play FLAC, OGG, SHN, and other popular lossless audio codecs" |
| 10:29:16 | Genre9mp3 | Ah... I was on that page some minutes ago but I didn't bother to read the article |
| 10:29:28 | markun | I don't think shn is very popular is it? And it also suggests that ogg is a lossless codec |
| 10:29:37 | Genre9mp3 | hehe |
| 10:30:19 | markun | Hm, the article sais it's written from scratch now.. am I going crazy? |
| 10:30:48 | markun | (what's up with my spelling today..) |
| 10:32:04 | Genre9mp3 | hmm? Instant update of the article? |
| 10:33:08 | markun | Genre9mp3: http://www.tweako.com/get_more_from_your_ipod_rockbox_and_ipodlinux |
| 10:33:23 | scorche | they say "no video" |
| 10:34:10 | scorche | heh...rockbxo |
| 10:34:18 | Genre9mp3 | hehe |
| 10:34:18 | markun | scorche: yes yes.. |
| 10:34:19 | markun | :) |
| 10:34:58 | Genre9mp3 | It should say though: rockbxo != linxu |
| 10:35:01 | Genre9mp3 | :P |
| 10:35:18 | markun | ;) |
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| 10:39:16 | scorche | look at it now...poor guy...last time he posts a rockbox article! |
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| 10:42:23 | desowin | why you cruel guys wanted to inform him that roxbox isn't linux :P |
| 10:43:24 | desowin | was the original article edited ? |
| 10:43:34 | markun | I'm not sure |
| 10:43:39 | desowin | it says "iPodLinux is obviously an incarnation of Linux, and Rockbox is a firmware written from scratch." |
| 10:43:39 | markun | the date didn't change |
| 10:43:55 | markun | yes |
| 10:44:12 | desowin | while on tweako, the guys says it's copied from that article |
| 10:44:13 | markun | either he and I didn't read very well or the article changed |
| 10:49:38 | scorche | markun: uh oh...now he is trying to get us to join |
| 10:52:18 | markun | :) |
| 10:52:30 | scorche | i will let you answer that one! |
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| 10:56:01 | markun | no thanks :) |
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| 11:25:28 | JdGordon | whos up for a bug slaying party? |
| 11:26:13 | petur | ? |
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| 11:28:57 | JdGordon | get everyone to work on bugs instead of indivual stuff for a day or two... |
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| 11:39:06 | midkay | sounds like feature freeze... :) |
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| 11:40:44 | JdGordon | no.. completyl different... |
| 11:42:01 | midkay | what's the difference? |
| 11:43:11 | JdGordon | the goal is to clear the tracker.. not a release. |
| 11:43:44 | scorche | feature freeze doesnt neccessitate a release |
| 11:44:04 | scorche | it is simply a freezing of features ;) |
| 11:44:19 | midkay | yes, that's what i mean. :) the freeze itself, not the impending release. |
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| 12:35:04 | linuxstb | merbanan: Do you know if any students have applied for the ffmpeg google SoC project to write an LGPL'd Monkeys Audio decoder, or if anyone else has expressed an interest in it? |
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| 14:03:42 | amiconn | petur: Was it you who reported unicode problems in cygwin sims on flyspray? |
| 14:03:55 | petur | nope |
| 14:03:55 | * | amiconn cannot find the appropriate fs report |
| 14:04:50 | amiconn | Anyway, the problem is more serious that I thought. Cygwin doesn't handle unicode file operations yet; if we want proper unicode support, we'd need to use the windows file api |
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| 14:10:02 | merbanan | linuxstb: let me count the applications |
| 14:10:18 | petur | cygwin sucks big time, on all fronts... |
| 14:10:48 | merbanan | linuxstb: 4 applicants |
| 14:16:59 | linuxstb | merbanan: That's the total number of students who applied for ffmpeg projects? |
| 14:18:38 | merbanan | no for the MAC decoder |
| 14:18:48 | linuxstb | OK :) |
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| 14:28:54 | amiconn | ghah |
| 14:29:15 | amiconn | JdGordon: The tree-related crash in the sim still happens |
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| 15:10:37 | crop | Nico_P: he-he, it seems you're too late :-) See http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6991 |
| 15:11:09 | crop | I've just got the notification |
| 15:11:19 | Nico_P | crop: haha I was thinking about it a bit earlier today |
| 15:11:26 | crop | I'll now look into the patch |
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| 15:12:00 | crop | It's quite big |
| 15:12:59 | Nico_P | i'll look too |
| 15:13:22 | crop | Nico_P: have you done something in this area? Or just thought? It would be pity |
| 15:14:05 | Nico_P | just thought about irt... I didn't have time to write anything because of the more urgent things that were reported |
| 15:14:35 | crop | Nico_P: it does compile. That's a good sign |
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| 15:15:16 | crop | BTW: when I run make zip the resulting zip file doesn't contain WPS's and themes. What's up? |
| 15:15:30 | Nico_P | no idea |
| 15:16:46 | crop | Nico_P: what's in gwps.c and what's in gwps-common.c? Why two files? |
| 15:16:59 | Nico_P | crop: that wasn't my decision |
| 15:17:18 | Nico_P | and I'm not sure why exactly |
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| 15:24:16 | Nico_P | crop: I think it'd be better to have the number of tokens of a subline in the subline struct |
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| 15:35:16 | Parrhesia | Hello |
| 15:35:58 | JavaMan22 | hi |
| 15:36:25 | Parrhesia | I've got Rockbox running on an X5L with Maxweno0 current build, is there a way to force Rockbox to remember what folder the files it's currently playing are in when I start with the WPS screen? |
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| 15:36:49 | Parrhesia | Because currently, it will always start at root and that's sort of annoying given the way I've organized my directory structure... |
| 15:39:43 | moos | I don't know about Maxweno0 build, but in rockbox svn, you have an option for follow playlist that will always made browser start at the position of the current track playing |
| 15:39:56 | moos | you can check the manual ;) |
| 15:40:53 | Parrhesia | I did, but apparently I didn't look for the right keywords or something. |
| 15:40:58 | Parrhesia | Thanks a lot, I'll try that right away... |
| 15:41:10 | moos | general settings/file view/follow playlist |
| 15:41:11 | moos | np |
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| 15:41:43 | bluebrother | Parrhesia, "follow playlist" is a bit different than remembering the last position |
| 15:41:47 | crop | Nico_P: The patch seems reasonable to me. Made very closely to what we spoke about. |
| 15:42:08 | bluebrother | follow playlist will always preselect the file currently playing |
| 15:42:16 | Nico_P | crop: yes, I like it too. I have one or two gripes though... I'm posting a comment on the tracker |
| 15:42:22 | bluebrother | if you want to start in the same folder, that is not possible. |
| 15:42:23 | moos | bluebrother: let him test first ;P |
| 15:42:36 | bluebrother | but anyway, unofficial builds are not supported ;-) |
| 15:42:38 | crop | But I haven't tested it thoroughly |
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| 15:42:46 | moos | bluebrother: amen |
| 15:42:51 | Parrhesia | If it's close enough, it'll work. |
| 15:43:01 | Parrhesia | Ah, right... I shouldn't have mentioned the build then. ;) |
| 15:43:03 | moos | just test and see |
| 15:43:07 | bluebrother | it's similar. |
| 15:43:23 | bluebrother | so I guess it will be sufficient for you ... if not, get a current build and submit a patch ;-) |
| 15:43:30 | moos | :-) |
| 15:44:11 | crop | Nico_P: it makes the wps structure closer to sort of like byte code. Max is made at parsing time. I like the fact that e.g. status_bar_enable token has been deleted |
| 15:44:38 | Soap | if you have "follow playlist" on, boot, resume playback, THEN go to files...will that take you to the directory? |
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| 15:45:05 | Nico_P | crop: I agree the tokens he deleted weren't useful. I kept them mainly because they can be helpful to see in the debugging and don't take up too mch space |
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| 15:45:49 | Nico_P | crop: on the whole, I like his code. He improved mine a lot |
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| 15:46:30 | crop | The words "byte code" remind me about an idea once discussed here about "wps dlls", i.e. something like .rock that's responsible for WPS drawing |
| 15:47:54 | crop | Nico_P: we first have to see that it works ;-) Do you have a set of test cases? How did you test your tokenizer? |
| 15:48:15 | Parrhesia | Soap: Yup, that worked. |
| 15:48:21 | Parrhesia | Thanks a lot, guys. |
| 15:48:43 | Nico_P | crop: I don't have a set of test cases but I remember the main issues I ran in |
| 15:48:52 | Nico_P | but the code seems clean to me |
| 15:49:36 | Nico_P | hmm I may have spoken too soon. it segfaulted on the first WPS I tried :p |
| 15:49:50 | Soap | crop: there have been many solid arguments made against WPS drawing as a pluging - not the least of which is the inability to run two plugings at the same time, thus no more TSRs, no more Battery_bench when such a core function goes to the pluggins. |
| 15:49:52 | crop | I can't judge it since I don't know the code well but if you say it... |
| 15:50:28 | crop | Nico_P: ouch |
| 15:51:03 | crop | The default wps worked fine for me. What wps crashed? |
| 15:52:02 | Nico_P | crop: "aZure v2" on the sansa |
| 15:52:09 | Nico_P | apparently the RTC tag caused the crash |
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| 15:52:27 | amiconn | Meh, 'byte code' reminds me of java |
| 15:52:38 | crop | The guy that submitted the patch is like zorro. He doesn't seem to show up here |
| 15:52:51 | Parrhesia | Goodbye and thanks again |
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| 15:52:53 | bluebrother | binary wps will only cause headaches. |
| 15:52:54 | crop | amiconn: I like java |
| 15:53:04 | * | bluebrother doesn't like java |
| 15:53:05 | * | amiconn doesn't |
| 15:53:17 | bluebrother | it's like the worse c++ |
| 15:53:23 | crop | bluebrother: ok, ok, I take the byte code wps theme back |
| 15:53:30 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 15:53:38 | vertic23 | hmm hey bluebrother |
| 15:53:47 | vertic23 | I'm still looking for that one font |
| 15:53:49 | crop | bluebrother: disagree on that. c++ is horrible, but java isn't |
| 15:53:59 | vertic23 | nimbus-8 |
| 15:54:35 | bluebrother | vertic23, there is no nimbus-8 (was was telling lies), it's nedore-8 |
| 15:54:44 | vertic23 | ah, ok.. |
| 15:55:11 | vertic23 | hmm... this database is crap for some reason :/ |
| 15:55:14 | bluebrother | I constantly keep messing up nimbus and nedore |
| 15:55:20 | vertic23 | hehe |
| 15:55:38 | vertic23 | it tells me I got untagged data - but ...it was tagged and stuff ... |
| 15:55:43 | vertic23 | this really sucks |
| 15:55:51 | bluebrother | was it tagged correctly? |
| 15:56:15 | vertic23 | yes |
| 15:56:18 | bluebrother | I had files on the PC that claimed to be tagged with id3v2 but id3v2 -l only showed a v1 tag |
| 15:56:28 | Nico_P | crop: yes, small mistake with the RTC tag, but apart from that it seems good |
| 15:56:29 | vertic23 | well... still tagged then |
| 15:56:39 | bluebrother | removing and readding the tag solved it |
| 15:56:51 | vertic23 | ...nah - just using filebrowser |
| 15:56:59 | bluebrother | but this id3 stuff is somewhat broken anyway. Vorbis comments are muuuch better |
| 15:57:09 | vertic23 | might be |
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| 16:00:06 | vertic23 | still cool to have that feature if I was looking for one specific artist (e.g. out of an VA album) |
| 16:00:36 | vertic23 | omg... |
| 16:01:00 | vertic23 | but ...he shows me untagged again - then I play that "untagged" - and then he shows the tag |
| 16:01:02 | vertic23 | lmao |
| 16:03:47 | vertic23 | should I enable replaygain? |
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| 16:12:32 | Genre9mp3 | Is there a specific reason that the bootsplash.raw trick is only for the Gigabeat? I ask mainly out of curiosity |
| 16:14:25 | Genre9mp3 | To expand my question a bit, why it doesn't show the Rockbox logo on fw start up like on all other targets? |
| 16:14:53 | Soap | The bootsplash.raw trick won't be part of the gigabeat bootloader soon enough. |
| 16:15:15 | Soap | wayward sheep will be brought back into the fold. |
| 16:15:46 | Genre9mp3 | aha... so it's a temporary solution to... <insert reason here> ? |
| 16:16:24 | Soap | not sure. |
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| 16:18:07 | bluebrother | IIRC it was added by someone who liked that feature but not agreed to have something like that. |
| 16:19:41 | Genre9mp3 | bluebrother: I see... I thought it had something to do with the fact that the fw doesn't show the Rockbox logo on start-up |
| 16:20:30 | bluebrother | Genre9mp3, I'm not completely sure. I guess markun will know better. But I can't think of any other reason |
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| 16:21:29 | fm2 | Nico_P: ping |
| 16:21:32 | Genre9mp3 | I have to go now, I'll keep an eye in the logs in case markun gives the answer later |
| 16:21:36 | Genre9mp3 | thank you both |
| 16:21:43 | Nico_P | fm2: pong :) |
| 16:22:02 | Nico_P | fm2: i'm currently makeing some changes to your patch |
| 16:22:24 | fm2 | I've read your comment in the patch. Want to talk about it? |
| 16:22:45 | Nico_P | fm2: yes. I like it, but as I said in my comment there are a few issues |
| 16:23:10 | Nico_P | I'm fixing the subline timeout values right now |
| 16:23:18 | fm2 | time_mult specifies how long the subline should be shown. This should not be modified, it's static data. |
| 16:23:35 | Nico_P | fm2: actually it can be changed at display time with conditionals |
| 16:24:10 | Nico_P | I first thought the same thing as you but some WPSs make good use of the possibility of disabling a subline |
| 16:24:16 | fm2 | Er... Really? I didn't know that. |
| 16:24:38 | Nico_P | fm2: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Alternating_Sublines |
| 16:24:48 | fm2 | And that's done dynamically? I.e. one of the options includes %t? |
| 16:26:03 | Nico_P | fm2: yes |
| 16:26:09 | fm2 | Nico_P: ah, now I see. Then one token must be taken back in |
| 16:26:22 | Nico_P | yes, I'm doing that now |
| 16:26:43 | fm2 | WPS_TOKEN_SUBLINE_TIMEOUT |
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| 16:27:39 | fm2 | bluebrother: he-he, I now see that wordForNext is java like which is hated here :-) |
| 16:27:54 | cadu | markun, hey good news yay yay yay , i think my battery is 'recovering' (or getting to a normal / good state ) |
| 16:29:41 | fm2 | Nico_P: I think the wps drawing code can be further simplified. It isn't straightforward now, a lot of if-then's. That's a smell for me. It *can't* be that complicated |
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| 16:30:10 | RunLikeHell | hi guys |
| 16:30:24 | Nico_P | fm2: which part is a lot of if-then ? gui_wps_refresh() ? |
| 16:30:32 | cadu | can i suggest something? it's about the dabatase |
| 16:31:00 | fm2 | Nico_P: the whole gwps-common.c. Complicated code IMHO |
| 16:31:06 | RunLikeHell | does anyone know if rockbox works the same on ipod 5.5g (80gb)??? |
| 16:31:16 | bluebrother | RunLikeHell, it doesn't work |
| 16:31:32 | Nico_P | fm2: help me simplify it then :) |
| 16:31:34 | fm2 | Is WPS_NUM_SUBLINES = 3*NUM_LINES enough? Too many? |
| 16:32:33 | fm2 | I thought, in the average, a wps won't have more that 3 sublines on a line. |
| 16:32:36 | Nico_P | fm2: seems ok to me |
| 16:33:47 | fm2 | Nico_P: I haven't included the num_tokens as a field to save binary size. But yes, it would make thing clearer. It's a trade off. |
| 16:34:22 | Nico_P | fm2: I think it would probably reduce binsize to include it. simpler code |
| 16:34:38 | fm2 | Feel free to change the code as you like. |
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| 16:34:55 | fm2 | The field would sit in every subline... |
| 16:35:23 | fm2 | I think the function code (+calls to it) is less bytes |
| 16:35:27 | Nico_P | yes, a bit more memory used but simpler code |
| 16:35:30 | fm2 | But we can try |
| 16:35:37 | Nico_P | ah, maybe |
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| 16:37:54 | JdGordon | amiconn: which tree related crash? |
| 16:39:51 | JdGordon | Nico_P: speaking of sublines... i agree with crop about having a total MAX for the sublines instead of a max of 12 on each line |
| 16:40:08 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I agree too |
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| 16:40:52 | JdGordon | dont know what a good number is though :p |
| 16:41:15 | Nico_P | fm2 used WPS_NUM_SUBLINES = 3*NUM_LINES... seems good to me |
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| 16:44:56 | JdGordon | yeah, that sounds sane |
| 16:45:11 | JdGordon | whats the mem usage for one line? |
| 16:45:14 | JdGordon | subline* |
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| 16:49:54 | Nico_P | JdGordon: 12 bytes |
| 16:50:03 | Nico_P | a line si 16 |
| 16:50:09 | Nico_P | s/si/is |
| 16:50:15 | JdGordon | ok, so its not soo big |
| 16:50:24 | amiconn | JdGordon: If you are in the browser and no single entry is displayed, and then go to the root menu, the sim crashes |
| 16:50:39 | JdGordon | is there a FS for it? |
| 16:50:44 | amiconn | That is, it probably only happens the first time |
| 16:50:56 | amiconn | Hard to test ;) |
| 16:51:52 | JdGordon | do you have to start in the browser? |
| 16:52:18 | amiconn | I'll check. |
| 16:52:44 | amiconn | No |
| 16:52:52 | JdGordon | which sim target? |
| 16:53:03 | amiconn | Also happens if you start in the root menu, go into the browser and then go back |
| 16:53:07 | amiconn | Any target |
| 16:53:09 | JdGordon | and how do you go back to the menu? with left or the menu button? |
| 16:53:42 | amiconn | Doesn't matter |
| 16:53:42 | JdGordon | file browser right? not db..? |
| 16:53:49 | amiconn | Yes, file browser |
| 16:54:04 | amiconn | It's important that no entry (neither file nor dir) is displayed |
| 16:54:07 | JdGordon | can you run it with gdb? I cant crash it here |
| 16:54:26 | midgey | it crashes on mac for anyone interested |
| 16:55:17 | JdGordon | it crashes no matter what view the browser is set to? as long as no files are shown? |
| 16:55:27 | amiconn | yup |
| 16:55:50 | JdGordon | pass your config.cfg? it wont crash here |
| 16:56:07 | amiconn | Happens with default cfg |
| 16:56:19 | amiconn | Here's a pastebin containing a backtrace |
| 16:56:20 | amiconn | http://pastebin.ca/428368 |
| 16:57:36 | amiconn | The problem is tree.c: get_current_file() |
| 16:58:13 | amiconn | If no entry is displayed, e->name is NULL, and snprintf() crashes |
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| 17:01:07 | amiconn | This bug also hits the target, although it doesn't crash unless memory guard is enabled |
| 17:01:11 | JdGordon | e->name is definatly getting NULL... but why wont it crash here? |
| 17:02:05 | JdGordon | put if (e->name) before the printf and see if it still crashes? |
| 17:02:08 | amiconn | I'll check; perhaps it doesn't crash on linux, but then it's still wrong |
| 17:02:40 | JdGordon | I mean, that will stop the crash.. but i dont know if it will put you in the correct folder... |
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| 17:04:21 | JdGordon | seems to work correctly |
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| 17:07:45 | JdGordon | amiconn: change the e->name part of the snprintf to " e->name ? e->name : "" " please and see if that works properly |
| 17:08:13 | JdGordon | that way it will atleast garentee yyour put in the correct folder |
| 17:08:21 | amiconn | Hmm, indeed it doesn't crash on linux |
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| 17:11:23 | JdGordon | or shall I just commit it? |
| 17:13:13 | * | JdGordon thinks about doing some action code cleanup to save some bytes |
| 17:13:53 | JdGordon | the menu context is superfluoes.. (my big word for the day :p ) |
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| 17:14:35 | amiconn | I'll check some things |
| 17:15:08 | JdGordon | ? is that fix ok? |
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| 17:17:57 | amiconn | Hmm, it fixes the crash, but it isn't clean |
| 17:18:14 | JdGordon | how so? Its the best solution there is... |
| 17:18:41 | JdGordon | if no file is selected buffer will get the folder wit a trailing / so it will put you back in it next time |
| 17:19:08 | amiconn | That would be ok if it was so |
| 17:20:25 | JdGordon | its not so? |
| 17:20:31 | amiconn | But if you first go into a folder with entries, leave, then enter a folder without entries, and finally leave the browser, &dc[0]->name points to the entry from the old folder |
| 17:20:36 | NHeal | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 17:20:36 | NJoin | bun-bun [0] (n=bun@71-92-215-82.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) |
| 17:20:40 | amiconn | (then one with entries) |
| 17:21:19 | amiconn | In this case it wouldn't crash, but the stored path still wouldn't be correct |
| 17:22:19 | JdGordon | ok, is it dc or e that has the count? |
| 17:22:53 | JdGordon | bah, i gotta go... fix this tomorow hopefully |
| 17:22:53 | amiconn | struct entry* e = &dc[tc.selected_item]; |
| 17:23:19 | amiconn | And tc.selected_item is 0 in folders without content |
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| 17:24:10 | amiconn | Okay, we need to check for tc.dirlength == 0 |
| 17:25:11 | JdGordon | e->name && (tc.filesindir != 0) ? e->name : ""); |
| 17:25:32 | JdGordon | dirlength is length of the dirstring i think |
| 17:25:49 | amiconn | No, dirlength is the number of entries to display |
| 17:26:06 | amiconn | tree.h line 60 |
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| 17:29:02 | JdGordon | am i still here? |
| 17:29:12 | bluebrother | seems so |
| 17:29:26 | JdGordon | goody |
| 17:29:36 | JdGordon | amiconn: yep dirlength is 0 when empty... |
| 17:29:53 | JdGordon | so change fileindir to dirlength in the above line and its good... |
| 17:29:53 | * | amiconn tested that |
| 17:30:10 | amiconn | Just tc.dirlength ? e->name : "" works fine |
| 17:30:48 | JdGordon | fine, commiting then bed |
| 17:31:36 | amiconn | done. |
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| 17:32:20 | JdGordon | done as in you commited? |
| 17:32:37 | amiconn | yup |
| 17:32:43 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 17:32:44 | JdGordon | cya |
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| 17:34:33 | amiconn | markun: are you there? |
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| 17:49:03 | moos | rotator: nice work for resume support on musepack files |
| 17:49:21 | rotator | hey, thanks! |
| 17:49:35 | rotator | I never use resume, so I just recently noticed it |
| 17:50:25 | rotator | Now that there's an explicit resume menu option |
| 17:50:27 | moos | yeah same here |
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| 17:55:07 | funkadelik | hi |
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| 17:56:25 | FunK | anyone in here use rockbox with a sansa e200? |
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| 18:14:44 | stripwax | ello |
| 18:15:08 | FunK- | hi |
| 18:15:08 | bluebrother | fmmp |
| 18:15:14 | stripwax | I've just updated the scrolling margins patch (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2954) to work within the new wps tokenizer framework. let me know if you find any problems |
| 18:15:52 | FunK- | hmm |
| 18:16:10 | FunK- | anyone in here use rockbox with a sansa e200? |
| 18:18:33 | bluebrother | FunK-, doesn't seem like someone with a sansa is currently active. Do you have a specific question? Maybe someone else can also help |
| 18:21:01 | FunK- | umm i kinda do |
| 18:21:19 | FunK- | I don't think you can use mtp mode with rockbox |
| 18:21:44 | FunK- | is there anyway to manage your music files without switching to the sansa firmware? |
| 18:22:34 | FunK- | like syncing your music on your comp with your player |
| 18:23:22 | FunK- | right now i use mtp mode with media monkey, but I don't think i can do that with rockbox |
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| 18:26:46 | FunK- | ouch |
| 18:26:49 | FunK- | just got ghosted |
| 18:27:04 | FunK- | anyone answer my last question cause i didn't see it if you did |
| 18:27:08 | FunK- | ;x |
| 18:29:25 | bluebrother | FunK-, no −− you need to use the OF for USB access |
| 18:29:45 | bluebrother | Rockbox doesn't handle USB yet. |
| 18:30:02 | FunK- | hmm |
| 18:30:05 | FunK- | then |
| 18:30:08 | bluebrother | ipods have a handy disk mode in which we can reboot to. The sansa doesn't have something like that. |
| 18:30:22 | bluebrother | ... which is why it's important to setup dual-boot when installing |
| 18:30:25 | FunK- | is it ok if you boot the sansa firmware |
| 18:30:31 | FunK- | then switch to mtp mode? |
| 18:30:34 | FunK- | and sync |
| 18:30:48 | FunK- | i wasn't sure if switching to mtp mode would mess it up |
| 18:30:50 | bluebrother | I don't know about mtp mode, but I don't think this should be a problem. |
| 18:31:06 | FunK- | hmm ok |
| 18:31:16 | bluebrother | for that question you might need someone else ;-) |
| 18:31:18 | Slasheri | argh, it seems database can still generate duplicates.. this issue is tough :) |
| 18:31:43 | FunK- | I'l wait till someone answer my question on the forum then |
| 18:31:52 | FunK- | thanks :) |
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| 18:38:04 | amiconn | Slasheri: Will you solve the unbreakable dircache problem any time soon? |
| 18:39:10 | amiconn | *uninterruptable |
| 18:40:01 | Slasheri | amiconn: is that still present? |
| 18:40:16 | amiconn | yes |
| 18:40:21 | Slasheri | should have been fixed a long time ago.. |
| 18:40:24 | Slasheri | hmm |
| 18:41:07 | amiconn | If there is a sufficient number of files on your dap, dircache background scan will take a while. During that time, shutdown is impossible |
| 18:41:33 | Slasheri | interesting, dircache should stop scanning if shutdown event is got |
| 18:41:50 | amiconn | Yeah, that's what I would expect |
| 18:41:55 | amiconn | But it doesn't... |
| 18:42:02 | Slasheri | investigating |
| 18:42:22 | moos | Slasheri,amiconn: any way to make the dircache background scan faster? |
| 18:42:42 | moos | +is(are) there |
| 18:43:04 | Slasheri | moos: i don't think so, it's already quite speedy (uses directly fat_ filesystem level functions) |
| 18:43:24 | Slasheri | moos: except with irivers you can put rockbox in flash so dircache & database hibernates |
| 18:44:39 | moos | Slasheri: ok, cause we have the possibility to have HD biger and biger, and when you have thousands of files, the can can be looong |
| 18:44:48 | moos | scan |
| 18:45:00 | amiconn | With very many files on the dap, dircache breaks anyway |
| 18:45:13 | amiconn | (e.g. hvsc) |
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| 18:45:23 | Slasheri | yep, it runs out of memory |
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| 18:46:02 | Slasheri | of course it would be possible to make dircache more complex so it could transparently exclude some directories from the cache etc. |
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| 18:46:23 | moos | Slasheri: great idea |
| 18:46:33 | Slasheri | i am not sure about that :) |
| 18:46:36 | moos | but probably hard work |
| 18:46:39 | moos | hehe :) |
| 18:47:37 | amiconn | Slasheri: I think that dircache should disable itself (permanently, unless the user re-enables the option) if it runs out of memory |
| 18:48:00 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, that might be a good idea |
| 18:48:08 | amiconn | Currently it tries scanning and fails on every boot |
| 18:54:12 | Slasheri | amiconn: found the problem, almost fixed |
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| 19:13:35 | fm2 | Nico_P: He... Who has invented it? %cp is for upper case AM/PM and %cP is for lower case am/pm. Isn't it counter intuitive? |
| 19:15:42 | chaos | hey on rockbox how do i get the video rewind or forwarded? what must be typed |
| 19:15:52 | chaos | on mplayer |
| 19:16:17 | fm2 | And another thought: why are RTC tags so special? They start with %c and are terminated with another c. Why not do them like others, i.e. atomic, i.e. %ca, %cd etc. −− without terminating c |
| 19:16:20 | XavierGr | chaos: you can't rewind/fast forward with mpegplayer yet |
| 19:17:17 | chaos | linuxstd knows how right |
| 19:17:29 | pearldiver | chaos type "erase and rewind" :) |
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| 19:19:13 | chaos | where do i type it? |
| 19:22:01 | fm2 | Nico_P: ping? You are still in the list of the active users |
| 19:23:10 | chaos | whaere do i type this "erase and rewind"? ipod root/.rockbox (databas_changelog)? |
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| 19:30:02 | chaos | linuxstb any ideas |
| 19:30:23 | bluebrother | chaos, you can't rewind / ffwd with mpegplayer yet. |
| 19:30:53 | chaos | u must type ur own C++ program right? |
| 19:31:09 | bluebrother | you must type "/quit" :P |
| 19:31:19 | chaos | where? |
| 19:31:29 | bluebrother | in the window you're using? |
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| 19:31:45 | bluebrother | rotfl. |
| 19:32:23 | chao | rofl |
| 19:32:51 | bluebrother | chao, you simply can't fast forward in mpegplayer. Unless you code it, of course |
| 19:33:00 | bluebrother | and Rockbox is written in C, not C++ |
| 19:33:21 | chao | bluebrother: is there anyway to reduce backlight |
| 19:33:36 | bluebrother | what is reducing backlight? |
| 19:34:10 | chao | contrast |
| 19:34:14 | FunK- | anyone here use rockbox on a sansa? |
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| 19:35:38 | bluebrother | chao, contrast or brightness? |
| 19:35:54 | bluebrother | you about never want to change the contrast on color lcds. |
| 19:36:06 | bluebrother | (at least on a mp3 player) |
| 19:36:28 | chao | reducing the brightness of backlight |
| 19:36:36 | chao | lol my bad |
| 19:36:49 | bluebrother | I don't think brightness is implemented yet. |
| 19:37:14 | chao | oh |
| 19:38:00 | chao | how do i restart rockbox without restarting my ipod (which takes lots of battery) |
| 19:40:53 | chao | hey anyone knows how? |
| 19:41:22 | chao | i was also wondering how do i quit the music player because i cannot view the pics |
| 19:42:15 | Febs | Huh? |
| 19:42:26 | Febs | "quit the music player"? |
| 19:42:43 | pearldiver | chao there`s an amazing thing called manual |
| 19:43:18 | chao | umm okay |
| 19:45:44 | chao | but the restarting of the rockbox doesn't say |
| 19:46:43 | Febs | What is it that you are trying to accomplish by restarting Rockbox? |
| 19:47:08 | chao | umm when it gets stuck |
| 19:47:20 | chao | it happes to me sometimes |
| 19:47:58 | Febs | Reboot by holding Menu and Select simultaneously. |
| 19:48:42 | chao | ok i know that already lol (that way takes up too much battery but if thats the only way then its ok) |
| 19:49:14 | Febs | Why do you think that it takes more battery than any other method of restarting? |
| 19:49:39 | chao | lol u can see |
| 19:49:48 | Slasheri | amiconn: fixed all dircache issues you reported :) |
| 19:50:00 | Febs | chao: you're not making any sense. |
| 19:50:13 | chao | btw how do i quit the music player? i couldn't find it on th manual |
| 19:50:31 | Febs | What do you mean by "quit music player"? |
| 19:51:53 | chao | umm what i mean is that when i am listening to music first then i wana see some nice pics but the memory isn't enough so i gta close the player so how do i do it |
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| 19:55:41 | bluebrother | stop playback? |
| 19:56:06 | chao | how do i do that |
| 19:56:14 | bluebrother | read the manual |
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| 19:57:21 | chao | i couldn't find it =( |
| 19:57:26 | bluebrother | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-420004.3.1 |
| 19:57:32 | bluebrother | is it really that hard? |
| 19:57:55 | bluebrother | that chapter is called "Browsing and playing". I think that's descriptive, isn't it? |
| 19:58:38 | bluebrother | and http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml is linked from the navigation bar on the website ... |
| 19:59:08 | Febs | chao: the chapter about the jpeg view also explains it: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1700008.3.2 |
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| 20:03:04 | chao | wow thx |
| 20:03:57 | pearldiver | like i said |
| 20:04:19 | pearldiver | manual is fascinating |
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| 20:30:08 | Terinjokes | what did you guys do to the builds? |
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| 20:34:34 | Alonea | Terinjokes: whatcha talking about? is yours not compiling? |
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| 20:34:47 | Terinjokes | no, i see yellow across the board :P |
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| 20:35:04 | Terinjokes | look at what it's erroring about, nothing major |
| 20:35:04 | Alonea | uuwa? *goes to look* |
| 20:35:22 | TrueJournals | the thread locking mechanism was disabled because it was causing crashes |
| 20:35:29 | TrueJournals | the warnings are just saying that it's disabled |
| 20:35:55 | TrueJournals | Rockbox works absolutely fine with it disabled |
| 20:36:10 | Terinjokes | ok |
| 20:36:33 | Alonea | woah... |
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| 20:48:08 | capo | does anyone know if lowering fps will help with the av synch on sansa mpegplayer? |
| 20:48:40 | TrueJournals | Lowering FPS and lowering bitrate should help |
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| 21:04:29 | andrewy | the rockbox installation instructions for the iriver h320 say to copy the bootloader to the iriver's drive. I plugged the iriver in, but I'm not seeing the drive in /dev. Is there a way to access that drive in linux? |
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| 21:08:05 | petur | andrewy: it's a mass storage device |
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| 21:08:50 | andrewy | that's what I thought |
| 21:09:04 | andrewy | maybe it doesn't show up if the AC cord is plugged in |
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| 21:09:49 | petur | let me boot into OF (yuck) ;) |
| 21:10:35 | capo | alright, thanks truejournals |
| 21:11:38 | petur | andrewy: with AC plugged in, it still shows up here in windows when plugging usb |
| 21:12:10 | andrewy | odd |
| 21:12:23 | andrewy | windows doesn't need a driver to see it, does it? |
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| 21:12:48 | petur | no, it's UMS, windows comes with that driver installed |
| 21:12:48 | andrewy | I tried it with win2k and it says it finds a iriver h300 series, but the drive doesn't show up in my computer |
| 21:13:10 | andrewy | am i supposed to be pressing something on the iriver for it to show up? |
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| 21:13:19 | petur | that only happens if its got no partition on I think |
| 21:13:20 | Soap | how long did you wait? W2K can take a couple of minutes to add a new UMS device sometimes. |
| 21:13:39 | * | petur slaps Soap for bashing windows |
| 21:13:58 | * | Soap says that _from_ windows. |
| 21:14:06 | * | Soap has no beef with windows. |
| 21:14:14 | petur | I've never seen it take more than some seconds |
| 21:14:31 | andrewy | I definitely gave it more than a few seconds |
| 21:15:05 | Soap | My work PC (the fastest one I have (Core Duo)) can take up to two minutes to add a new UMS device for the first time. |
| 21:15:22 | petur | eh? |
| 21:15:31 | petur | got vista on it? :p |
| 21:15:34 | Soap | 2k |
| 21:15:45 | Soap | only the first time. |
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| 21:16:23 | nicolah | Hi guys |
| 21:16:52 | petur | andrewy: under windows, you can always see if it comes up under disk management (my computer -> manage -> Disk Management) |
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| 21:18:04 | andrewy | doesn't show up there |
| 21:19:30 | petur | weird... you can always try to remove it from the driver list: control panel -> install/remove/troubleshoot hardware (make sure you enable the show hidden devices checkbox) |
| 21:19:45 | andrewy | ohh, there are two usb ports |
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| 21:50:10 | nicolah | I installed ipl and I'd like to try rocklinux |
| 21:50:15 | nicolah | what should I do ? |
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| 21:53:25 | rotator | nicolah: well, there's no such thing as rocklinux, but if you want to install rockbox I'd suggest looking at the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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| 21:54:18 | nicolah | I'm still trying to line out the differences between rockbox and ipl |
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| 21:54:45 | nicolah | rockbox is for the music, and ipl is what for ? |
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| 21:55:44 | rotator | ipl is for having a full featured operating system mostly, not necessarily focused on the music |
| 21:56:08 | Soap | IPL has a faster gameboy emmulator. |
| 21:56:17 | Soap | (too) |
| 21:56:18 | nicolah | uhm got it |
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| 21:56:37 | nicolah | ho do I check if mine is a 1st or 2nd generatio mini ipod ? |
| 21:56:49 | nicolah | it's 4 gb, and in the manual I can read 2005 |
| 21:57:28 | rotator | sorry, can't help you there |
| 21:57:33 | rotator | I try to stay away from ipods |
| 21:58:23 | nicolah | rotator, do I need to erase something special before of installing rockbox on a ipod with ipl ? |
| 21:58:28 | nicolah | (I don't care about data or music) |
| 21:58:29 | Soap | Mini? 2ng gens have two distinguishing features. A-Capacity etched on the back. B-Scroll-wheel text color matches body colour. |
| 21:58:42 | nicolah | it's the 2-gen |
| 21:58:43 | nicolah | thanks |
| 21:58:51 | rotator | no, you don't have to erase anything when installing rockbox |
| 21:59:16 | rotator | but I'm not sure what issues there might be if ipl is already installed |
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| 21:59:22 | Soap | nicolah: the documentation here is excellent. It is expected you read the manual, and the IpodPort wiki page before asking too many questions, as 99.9% of them will be answered there. |
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| 22:00:09 | nicolah | ok Soap |
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| 22:00:34 | Soap | The forum is also excellent, full of tasty vittles on information. |
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| 22:08:50 | nicolah | I'll installa ipl + rockbox |
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| 22:17:21 | petur | bah... FreeBSD and Mono get 25 GSoC students allocated, we get 3 :( (but this is not the final allocation) |
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| 22:18:40 | Soap | I thought Netcraft confirms... |
| 22:18:59 | Llorean | Yeah, honestly I'm not happy with the number we got |
| 22:19:18 | Llorean | Something they posted earlier made it sound like the current distribution suggested projects were likely to get more than they requested. |
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| 22:20:09 | petur | http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=-qxj3hAAAABDGQcUpoa3IBWDm4h2cJBN is a good way to keep up to date on what's going on... |
| 22:20:16 | Febs | Llorean, maybe Google doesn't want us to mentor people coding in C. You know, because it's such an old language that no-one uses. |
| 22:20:31 | Llorean | Febs: It's been theorized that it's because we're a new project. |
| 22:20:39 | Llorean | I'm worrying that it's based on scores somehow |
| 22:20:48 | Llorean | They mentioned that there's an "algorithm" for assigning students |
| 22:20:53 | petur | let's bump some numbers :) |
| 22:20:55 | Febs | I was just joking around about the comment in the "doom cheats" forum thread about C. |
| 22:21:13 | Llorean | Febs: Yeah, but I figured it was a good opportunity to bring up my idea on the scores. |
| 22:21:14 | Llorean | :) |
| 22:21:34 | markun | I'm sure we can get more next year if all goes well this time |
| 22:21:47 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 22:21:57 | * | petur is going to give the top 10 applications another 4 points just to be sure :) |
| 22:22:05 | Llorean | Honestly, my *personal* desire for a bare minimum is 4, and I think there's 6 I'd really like. |
| 22:22:05 | Llorean | :( |
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| 22:22:36 | markun | Llorean: I know, but it's google's money |
| 22:22:40 | Llorean | I think we need to swap 3 and 4 if we really are only going to get 3, but I didn't want to take it upon myself to shift the order. ;) |
| 22:22:48 | Soap | 3? Hmm, I don't know if that is enough to cover Rockboy, Doom, Mpegplayer, AND Album Art. |
| 22:23:01 | markun | :) |
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| 22:23:21 | Genre9mp3 | what's wrong with Doom? |
| 22:23:23 | Genre9mp3 | :P |
| 22:23:31 | bluebrother | remove doom! |
| 22:23:33 | bluebrother | *g* |
| 22:24:04 | markun | bluebrother: start your own doom-les fork! |
| 22:24:29 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 22:24:47 | Genre9mp3 | A fork can't be doomless :P |
| 22:25:00 | bluebrother | this won't remove the neverending questions about doom in the forums |
| 22:25:10 | markun | Genre9mp3: openneo is a fork and it doesn't have doom |
| 22:25:45 | markun | bluebrother: I think we will get even more "how can I play doom" questions when we remove it :) |
| 22:25:46 | bluebrother | a fork could remove or add anything it likes to ... it just needs to be GPL licensed |
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| 22:26:02 | bluebrother | markun, right. "Where can I download doom?" |
| 22:26:12 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: If you don't like answering Doom questions, don't answer them... I'm perfectly happy ignoring Doom :) |
| 22:26:22 | Genre9mp3 | markun, bluebrother : I was kidding of course |
| 22:26:44 | Genre9mp3 | So which in your opinion would be the top 3 tasks for SoC? |
| 22:27:17 | linuxstb_ | I wouldn't rate WMA top... |
| 22:27:20 | bluebrother | me wasn't too serious either ... but it was a good chance to yell "remove doom" once again ;-) |
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| 22:27:30 | bluebrother | MoB and USB stack |
| 22:27:31 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb_: I agree |
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| 22:29:16 | Soap | Google should want to bend-over-backwards to give someone a fixed-point WMA project. MoB helps primarely Rockbox, Fixed point WMA helps lots of people. |
| 22:29:21 | linuxstb_ | I don't see MoB as a full project - more like a few days work for someone who knows what they're doing. |
| 22:29:41 | Soap | MoB / Playback rewrite. |
| 22:29:57 | linuxstb_ | Someone in the ffmpeg project seems to be currently working on a fixed-point WMA codec... |
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| 22:30:09 | markun | indeed |
| 22:30:12 | linuxstb_ | But it's still a _lot_ of work to incorporate it into Rockbox efficiently. |
| 22:30:31 | markun | well, the current codec in the trackers is also based on the ffmpeg code |
| 22:31:08 | linuxstb_ | That's also almost 2 years old now - the WMA decoder has gone through lots of improvements, and ffmpeg itself has been reorganised a lot. So the work really needs to start again... |
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| 22:31:40 | linuxstb_ | Sorry, 1 year... |
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| 22:34:36 | Genre9mp3 | The tasks will be decided by Google? |
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| 22:34:58 | Llorean | No, just the number. |
| 22:35:07 | Genre9mp3 | Ah...nice |
| 22:35:08 | Llorean | The tasks, as far as we can tell, are our top rated ones, in that quantity |
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| 22:39:13 | Ph1r3ph0x | nichts los hier :P |
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| 22:39:53 | bluebrother | *grrr* wrong key combo again |
| 22:40:04 | Ph1r3ph0x | ^^ |
| 22:40:14 | bluebrother | no, nothing up here in german |
| 22:40:20 | Ph1r3ph0x | ^^ |
| 22:40:41 | Ph1r3ph0x | i'm wondering why the devellopers don |
| 22:40:43 | Ph1r3ph0x | t |
| 22:40:45 | markun | but neither in any other language |
| 22:40:51 | markun | Ph1r3ph0x: why we don't what? |
| 22:40:53 | Ph1r3ph0x | include these patches |
| 22:40:54 | Ph1r3ph0x | http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/patches.asp |
| 22:41:15 | Ph1r3ph0x | they are very usefull |
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| 22:41:26 | bluebrother | Album art: wrong way done. |
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| 22:41:33 | Soap | Ph1r3ph0x: well, that's complicated, as there are as many reasons as there are patches mentioned there. |
| 22:41:35 | scorche | Ph1r3ph0x: search the forums...that question is answered many times in there |
| 22:41:37 | bluebrother | usb connection button press: useless ;-) |
| 22:42:07 | bluebrother | scrolling margins: this will be addressed with the implementation of viewports |
| 22:42:15 | TrueJournals | really? |
| 22:42:17 | TrueJournals | sweet :-D |
| 22:42:30 | Ph1r3ph0x | @ bluebrother - yes^^ but the album art is nice and some other things :P |
| 22:42:41 | bluebrother | quick exit: the new main menu adds this already, so it's outdated |
| 22:42:45 | Ph1r3ph0x | but i didnt test it yet |
| 22:42:56 | markun | Ph1r3ph0x: patch 1 and 3 are not included because we think they should be implemented differently |
| 22:43:06 | Ph1r3ph0x | ok |
| 22:43:11 | bluebrother | I only have greyscale targets, and album art doesn't make sense on that. |
| 22:43:22 | bluebrother | "The" sorting has been rejected. |
| 22:43:37 | Ph1r3ph0x | ^^ |
| 22:43:47 | capo | just curious here, but what kind of skills do you need to help develop for rockbox? |
| 22:43:47 | bluebrother | and COP is in included since quite a while |
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| 22:43:49 | capo | programming? |
| 22:43:58 | markun | capo: C |
| 22:43:58 | bluebrother | capo, depends on what you want to do |
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| 22:44:09 | bluebrother | in most cases this means C. |
| 22:44:19 | bluebrother | but you could also help out with the manual, which is LaTeX |
| 22:44:30 | markun | capo: what kind of development are you interested in? |
| 22:44:47 | bluebrother | it's kind of different but in some way it's also development ;-) |
| 22:44:53 | capo | no assembly? |
| 22:45:00 | bluebrother | sure |
| 22:45:08 | markun | capo: if can be useful in some cases |
| 22:45:12 | markun | it can.. |
| 22:45:25 | bluebrother | most is C, and asm in cases it makes sense or is necessary. |
| 22:45:49 | Ph1r3ph0x | i 'can' delphi :P |
| 22:45:57 | capo | okay, thanks for the info, guys |
| 22:45:57 | markun | Ph1r3ph0x: that's a good start |
| 22:46:10 | markun | capo: so, any particular part of rockbox you want to work on? |
| 22:46:16 | amiconn | bluebrother: Cop support is included for quite a while, but according to Slasheri it doesn't work properly |
| 22:46:28 | markun | amiconn: hi, I'm here |
| 22:46:33 | Llorean | bluebrother: The coprocessor is included, but not really used much yet, due to threading issues, I believe |
| 22:46:37 | nicolah | will rockbox work on evry kind of partition ? (I just erased old official one) |
| 22:46:39 | capo | well my skills arent really going to help as i just started learning c++. was just wondering is all |
| 22:46:44 | Soap | doesn't it work as well today as it did when it was only a patch? |
| 22:46:50 | amiconn | (i.e. the thread is scheduled back to the main core somehow in the scheduler the first time it has to wait for something) |
| 22:46:55 | bluebrother | hmm. But then the COP patch should suffer from the same issues, shouldn't it? |
| 22:47:02 | markun | nicolah: it needs to be FAT32 |
| 22:47:11 | nicolah | ok |
| 22:47:13 | Ph1r3ph0x | markun: yes, but i cant develop on rockbox with it |
| 22:47:21 | nicolah | markun, extended or primary ? |
| 22:47:39 | markun | nicolah: my guess would be only primary is supported |
| 22:47:51 | amiconn | markun: I am now starting to look at the actual implementation of viewports, which includes unifying the scroll code, and that will (hopefully) bring jump scroll for all targets |
| 22:47:59 | bluebrother | primary definitely works. Haven't tried using an extended partition |
| 22:48:01 | markun | Ph1r3ph0x: sure, but if you know 1 language you can learn another one quite easily I think |
| 22:48:11 | bluebrother | \o/ |
| 22:48:20 | Ph1r3ph0x | thats right^^ |
| 22:48:34 | amiconn | But I am somewhat stuck thinking about line breaking in unicode; the official algorithm is table driven and requires a huge character properties table... |
| 22:49:18 | bluebrother | line breaking? Will viewports have word wrapping? |
| 22:49:18 | markun | amiconn: what do we use now? |
| 22:49:35 | bluebrother | or am I getting something wrong here? |
| 22:49:41 | amiconn | I was somehow hoping to find a nice simplified algorithm which we could stick into unicode.c and then use in multiple places where we need line breaking (jump scroll, splash, text viewer come to mind) |
| 22:49:46 | bluebrother | i.e. not getting the point? |
| 22:49:58 | * | bluebrother gets it |
| 22:50:09 | markun | amiconn: yes, I'm sure we don't have to make it too complicated. |
| 22:50:14 | amiconn | markun: Currently there is no jump scroll, the old charcell implementation wasn't unicode aware |
| 22:50:35 | amiconn | And splash _only_ wraps at ascii spaces... |
| 22:50:36 | markun | And if someone complains we can add an extra case to break |
| 22:51:24 | markun | amiconn: we could keep it at ascii spaces for now |
| 22:51:59 | markun | there is a special space in arabic, but we change it to a normal space in the bidi code |
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| 22:52:27 | markun | at least I thought so, let me check |
| 22:52:35 | amiconn | Bidi code comes after scrolling... |
| 22:52:40 | markun | hm.. |
| 22:52:59 | markun | bidi with nesting can become quite complicated btw |
| 22:53:14 | Llorean | bluebrother: The COP patch *kinda* worked, but didn't improve performance as expected. It was somewhat better, but scrolling in the UI could still cause audio skipping, pretty much proving not quite everything was right. |
| 22:53:59 | TrueJournals | Llorean: what one thread does seems to affect the other, which should not happen, correct? |
| 22:54:08 | bluebrother | yes, but what was the point for that COP patch? I kinda needs to suffer from the same problems as the COP support in svn, right? |
| 22:54:14 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Threads can affect each other, but not threads on separate cores. |
| 22:54:23 | TrueJournals | Oops, meant cores |
| 22:54:30 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'm not quite sure what you're asking |
| 22:54:35 | TrueJournals | What one core does seems to affect the other... |
| 22:54:45 | markun | amiconn: btw, when I made arabjoin.c I though tables should not be in the .h file, but I think they should be there after all, right? |
| 22:54:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: The COP patch suffered from that, then SVN suffered from that when COP was committed, then Slasheri started working on fixing it, and has disabled use of the second core for audio for the time being, I believe |
| 22:55:00 | Slasheri | amiconn: those old problems with cop has been fixed now. The only issue atm is that the scheduler locking mechanism crashes some players if enabled. Probably some problems with the COP |
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| 22:55:13 | bluebrother | Llorean, that's what I meant ;-) |
| 22:55:24 | amiconn | markun: Nope, tables like this should never be in a .h file, as they compile to actual code |
| 22:55:31 | markun | ok |
| 22:55:40 | Llorean | bluebrother: The only place the COP works "well" right now is in mpegplayer, I guess because it's very limited in what goes on. |
| 22:55:46 | Slasheri | audio running on COP isn't possible atm because there are caching issues between the cores and rockbox fs level functions |
| 22:55:47 | markun | what about all those tables in the codec header files? |
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| 22:56:26 | vanberge | anybody willing to help me out? my rockbox won't play any mp3's... i keep getting "Data Abort at FC" message and have to reboot my ipod |
| 22:56:27 | amiconn | .h files should only have contents that doesn't compile to actual code on its own, this way it doesn't hurt when they're included more than once, or from multiple sources |
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| 22:56:42 | Slasheri | bluebrother: i have actually got audio running on cop, but that code is not yet stable or safe to use (can cause fs corruption at worst) |
| 22:57:03 | amiconn | I.e. macros, function and variable declarations, and inline functions |
| 22:57:07 | bluebrother | fs corruption sounds bad. |
| 22:57:16 | amiconn | (static inline of course) |
| 22:57:21 | Ph1r3ph0x | vanberge: you are using the ipl loader? |
| 22:57:39 | vanberge | Ph1r3ph0x, no... boot straight to rockbox |
| 22:57:45 | amiconn | markun: The codecs are somewhat special since they're not our own code |
| 22:57:52 | markun | true |
| 22:57:53 | Ph1r3ph0x | vanberge: mhm |
| 22:58:20 | amiconn | Changing the layout will probably make updating to a newer codec release harder |
| 22:58:22 | vanberge | Ph1r3ph0x, i tried deleting my entire .rockbox dir and downloading newest FW, nothing |
| 22:58:58 | amiconn | Slasheri: So what's running on the cop now in svn? Nothing? |
| 22:59:06 | nicolah | guys I erased the original firmware, will rockbox work anyway ? |
| 22:59:15 | bluebrother | vanberge, do you have a recent bootloader? |
| 22:59:17 | nicolah | ipodpatcher does not recognize my ipod |
| 22:59:47 | amiconn | markun: Regarding tables, check out my new charcell code. The mapping tables are all in a .c file (lcd-charset-player.c) |
| 22:59:47 | vanberge | bluebrother, not really, no. i patched the ipod firmware probably 8 months ago |
| 22:59:50 | Ph1r3ph0x | vanberge: i had a similar problem, but i have had the ipl loader. Afer resetting and patching my ipod everything worked well |
| 22:59:58 | bluebrother | vanberge, then you need to update |
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| 23:00:04 | nicolah | I copied the .rockbox to the root |
| 23:00:10 | nicolah | /media/ipod/.rockbox/ |
| 23:00:17 | vanberge | bluebrother, how easy is that to do? |
| 23:00:25 | bluebrother | there was a change recently (COP) that requires a new bootloader |
| 23:00:38 | markun | nicolah: "unzip -o rockbox.zip -d /media/ipod" also works fine |
| 23:00:40 | bluebrother | as easy as ... downloading and running a binary |
| 23:00:52 | bluebrother | just run ipodpatcher. |
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| 23:01:02 | nicolah | ok markun, I'll try. is the original firmware essential to run rockbox ? |
| 23:01:02 | vanberge | bluebrother, well... in between my patching of the ipod firmware and now, i am not using linux vs. windows |
| 23:01:38 | bluebrother | vanberge, don't know what's the issue ... you run ipodpatcher on your pc, and it runs on windows or linux, whatever you want. |
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| 23:01:46 | bluebrother | the manual has the download links |
| 23:01:53 | markun | linuxstb: you didn't have the OF on your ipod at one time, right? |
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| 23:02:51 | Llorean | markun: I've gone without it before. |
| 23:03:08 | markun | nicolah: there you have your answer |
| 23:03:37 | vanberge | bluebrother, ok... i see linux instructions, i should be able to take it from there |
| 23:03:49 | vanberge | tyvm |
| 23:03:55 | bluebrother | nicolah, it's essential to identify the ipod, not to run Rockbox. |
| 23:04:15 | nicolah | but to install rockbox I need it, right ? |
| 23:04:50 | linuxstb | markun: You don't need the Apple firmware, but you do need to have an ipod which looks like an ipod - which means a correctly formatted firmware partition. ipodpatcher modifies such a partition. |
| 23:04:52 | Llorean | nicolah: You don't need it to install Rockbox. You DO need it to install via the official installation instructions. |
| 23:05:00 | Llorean | It's vastly more complicated the other way |
| 23:05:13 | nicolah | ok Llorean so I'll try to restore the ipod firmware using itunes |
| 23:05:28 | nicolah | I'll be back in 10 minutes |
| 23:05:40 | Llorean | nicolah: That is definitely the best plan. Back up anything off your iPod you don't have backed up though, iTunes reformats |
| 23:05:53 | nicolah | don't care about data |
| 23:06:18 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:06:32 | bluebrother | if you run linux, you can download the ipod firmware update and dd that to the "empty" partition on the ipod |
| 23:07:30 | linuxstb | nicolah: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore may be helpful. |
| 23:07:41 | vanberge | bluebrother, you were spot on... that fixed it |
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| 23:13:51 | nicolah | I run linux but I can use a w2k machine too, now the ipod is restoring |
| 23:14:27 | vanberge | so i havent updated rockbox in awhile... how is the mpg playback capability in rockbox nowadays? :-) |
| 23:14:37 | TrueJournals | I think it's good :-D |
| 23:14:54 | bluebrother | it improved ;-) |
| 23:14:59 | Llorean | vanberge: Depending on your player, anywhere from "Poor" to "Great as long as you don't need seeking" |
| 23:15:06 | TrueJournals | A/V sync works good, re-buffering is implemented... |
| 23:15:11 | nicolah | thanks for the link linuxstb , in case iTunes fail I'll use that |
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| 23:17:08 | markun | TrueJournals: jhMikeS is working on a/v sync stuff which makes playback even smoother |
| 23:18:02 | TrueJournals | nice :-p |
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| 23:19:55 | fm2 | Nico_P: ping |
| 23:20:21 | nicolah | guys how long does it take to restore a 4g mini ipod ? it's been almost 10 minutes now. (I don't care about waiting, just to understand if it got stuck) |
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| 23:21:10 | bluebrother | never tried it, but the manual process should take no longer than a couple of minutes. |
| 23:21:19 | bluebrother | no idea if itunes does something else |
| 23:21:48 | nicolah | I'll try the manual process if this fails |
| 23:21:59 | nicolah | maybe it's formatting it, low level format |
| 23:24:05 | bryandodson | Hey. My friend referred me to Rockbox in my search for FLAC playback on my iPod. one thing I need to know before I commit though... can I still use my dock connector for audio playback? I have a plug for my iPod in my car, and thats where I use it 90% of the time. |
| 23:25:22 | markun | bryandodson: probably, but you can just try it and go back to the ipod firmware if it doesn't work |
| 23:25:39 | bryandodson | alright, thanks |
| 23:25:51 | scorche | well, if it uses the Apple accessory protocol, no |
| 23:26:07 | markun | and if it uses the audio out signal directly yes |
| 23:26:07 | scorche | if it just accesses it like a hard drive, yes |
| 23:26:12 | scorche | that too |
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| 23:26:41 | bryandodson | yeah, the friend and I had the same discussion, and we're really not sure on which it is. |
| 23:27:45 | markun | bryandodson: can you control the ipod with this car interface? |
| 23:28:52 | markun | Maybe it's time someone with such a accessory tried to implement this protocol for rockbox? |
| 23:28:56 | bryandodson | yeah, just basic controls though, like track skipping. it doesnt take control of the ipod in any way though |
| 23:29:28 | markun | bryandodson: well, track skipping will not work I think |
| 23:29:49 | bryandodson | i dont mind that, its just a convenience... most of the time i still use the iPod to navigate tracks anyways |
| 23:31:03 | bryandodson | its a third-party hookup system i ordered from Crutchfield a while back, and it has settings to change the level of interaction with the iPod... so im sure if it doesnt work on the current settings I could try changing them |
| 23:31:03 | markun | do you know how to program? |
| 23:31:13 | markun | ok |
| 23:31:39 | bryandodson | im a very novice programmer... i can work my way around a java program pretty well but anything thats not java is beyond me |
| 23:31:44 | fm2 | amiconn: what do you mean by "jump scroll" (I'm reading the log) |
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| 23:32:49 | bryandodson | fm2: perhaps he is referring to the way the iPod jumps across the list by letter when your list is too long? |
| 23:32:52 | markun | bryandodson: C is not that difficult to understand I think if you know how to program (in any language) |
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| 23:33:09 | markun | bryandodson: no, he isn't |
| 23:33:26 | bluebrother | fm2, jump scrolling is something that was only present on the charcell devices |
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| 23:33:55 | bluebrother | markun: yeah, but one can get quite lost in the amount of Rockbox code ;-) |
| 23:34:18 | bryandodson | so i've been told... I've been trying to learn to translate between the two, but most of it is just laziness... I'm a senior in high school and have run out of programming competitions to go to, all of which use Java anyways, so I havent found a reason to learn anything else yet |
| 23:35:09 | * | scorche does not approve of all of these school switching over to java for programming classes |
| 23:35:15 | markun | bryandodson: well, maybe the ipod accessory protocol support can be a reason? |
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| 23:35:24 | markun | scorche: why not? |
| 23:35:43 | bluebrother | hmm. Do these cable remotes use that accessory protocol? |
| 23:36:00 | TrueJournals | Ummm... I just noticed something that I think is really stupid in regards to the WPS |
| 23:36:09 | markun | bluebrother: are there other ways to skip tracks through the dock connector? |
| 23:36:11 | bryandodson | well, before Java my school taught VB in year 1 and C++ in year 2... Java made our pathetic 2-part course more unified |
| 23:36:23 | scorche | because before the "just java", there were a variety of languages...plus, you learn a lot more with C or something like that than java, especially regarding memory, etc |
| 23:36:23 | TrueJournals | a lower case p will output upper case AM/PM... an upper case P will output lower case am/pm |
| 23:36:26 | fm2 | bluebrother: that was a good explanation! :-) |
| 23:36:29 | TrueJournals | doesn't that seem backwards? |
| 23:36:30 | bluebrother | markun, don't know |
| 23:37:04 | markun | scorche: I'm sure many of us started with BASIC which also isn't very low level |
| 23:37:31 | bluebrother | but I was thinking if it's a good idea getting a cheap cable remote and disassembling it |
| 23:38:16 | scorche | markun: aye, but my point is that they have moved from a variety of different languages to simply one...before, there were many different programming classes one could take, but now i am seeing a lot of schools change to having only java classes |
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| 23:38:58 | amiconn | jump scroll means that instead of moving the text by a few pixels per scroll step, it moves in steps of the display width, reduced so that the next line starts at a word boundary if possible |
| 23:39:35 | amiconn | Of course each step is somewhat longer during jump scroll (default is 0.5 sec on the archos player) |
| 23:39:48 | bryandodson | i guess you couldn't just get it from apple? would they not share it with an open-source community? I'm not entirely sure about Jobs' position on open source... |
| 23:40:20 | amiconn | This has the advantage to provide a quick overview if the line is much longer than the screen width, and it also causes less blur on slow lcds (like H1x0) |
| 23:40:52 | markun | bryandodson: what would be the fun in that :) (just saying that because we can't get it) |
| 23:41:10 | amiconn | It was (and will be) selectable if jump scroll kicks in at all, and if yes, how often the text jump scrolls before switching to normal scrolling |
| 23:41:47 | amiconn | (old code allowed for 0,1 2, 3, 4, and always) |
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| 23:57:11 | AceNik | hey guys would you try including a few patches in teh current builds , & make it official , they worked till march very well |
| 23:58:02 | Soap | I'll get right on it. |
| 23:58:10 | TrueJournals | you mean committing patches to SVN? |
| 23:58:21 | AceNik | ya |
| 23:58:29 | TrueJournals | Which ones? |
| 23:58:38 | Llorean | AceNik: Just "working well" isn't enough. |
| 23:58:40 | Llorean | Which ones? |
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