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#rockbox log for 2007-04-09

00:00:22amiconnThe LineBreak table could be collapsed and searched with binary search(as there are long runs of characters having the same properties; some kind of run-length compression)
00:01:00markunyes, that could help a lot
00:01:07markunnice idea
00:05:09amiconnI.e. just store the first (codepoint; property) pair of a run in the table. The binary search would then compare the tested value against the probe and its successor, forming an interval
00:05:53amiconnSince the mapping can't have gaps, all values from codepoint[probe] to codepoint[probe+1]-1 must have identical properties
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00:06:18amiconnBut that still sounds complicated...
00:09:44markunamiconn: I just calculated that this table would have 1646 entries
00:10:06amiconnIs that for the BMP only, or the full table?
00:10:33markunI did a run-length compression for the whole table
00:11:21markuncat LineBreak.txt | cut -d ";" -f 2 | cut -b 1,2 | uniq -c | wc -l
00:11:25markun:)
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00:11:54markunremoved all the comments from the start and end
00:12:00markunfirst
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00:13:59markunthere is a very large part with H2, H3, H2, H3, H2, ...
00:16:09markunamiconn: http://130.89.160.166/line-break-rle.txt
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00:20:38amiconnThe run counts in your list aren't correct, because the text sometimes specifies ranges (AAAA..BBBB)
00:20:47markunah ok
00:21:11amiconnAnd the long alternating H2/H3 list is caused by hangul
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00:22:00markunamiconn: but the number of entries should be correct, right?
00:22:27markunI'm trying to do a RLE per 2 lines now
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00:25:38amiconnYes, the number of entries should be correct. And the characters above the BMP only contribute 33 lines...
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00:27:02amiconnHangul H2/H3 looks like a quite regular pattern. If this would be handled by a separate code block, the whole H2/h3 streak could be collapsed into a single line
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00:31:00markundoes anyone know a command to remove the newline after every uneven line?
00:31:17markunBagder: you maybe?
00:31:27BagderI'd write a tiny perl/awk thing to do it
00:32:00markundon't want to learn either right now :)
00:32:14Bagderok, gimme a minute
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00:34:39Bagderawk '{ n++; if(n%1) {printf("%s", $0)} else { printf("%s\n", $0);} }' < input
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00:35:51Bagderuhm, %2 I guess
00:36:01Bagderit complained when I tried &1
00:36:15markunthat work, thanks
00:36:22markunworked
00:42:14markunamiconn: not sure if it will work so well with 'bi-grams' http://130.89.160.166/line-break-rle2.txt
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00:50:31peturBagder: did you see http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/browse_thread/thread/32384eb8d956800a/ece41e03020fec27#ece41e03020fec27 ?
00:52:32peturI somehow don't manage to get on that mentor list, my registration is still pending :/
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00:53:53Bagderthe mentor list says nothing of interest anyway
00:55:33scorchei am constantly on that IRC channel, so if there are interesting tidbits, i usually forward them to someone
00:56:03Bagderif there's something google should improve on the gsoc, it is their (lack of) communication
00:56:29Bagderthey create weird lists, groups and IRC channels where various things are posted seemlingly randomly
00:56:35LloreanWell it sounds like there's a lot of work being done by a very few people.
00:56:55LloreanMaybe next year I'll see if they'll let me help. ;)
00:56:56scorche3 main...yeah
00:57:09Bagderyes, but I get the feeling that I very well might miss something just because I don't know where all the info appears
00:57:32LloreanYeah, there should be a single official source of important things, with logs of the IRC channel prominently posted, I think
00:57:33scorcheBagder: well, i typically catch the stuff...(and forward to Llorean)
00:57:43*petur monitors http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=-qxj3hAAAABDGQcUpoa3IBWDm4h2cJBN
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00:58:13scorcheyeah...she is the main person it seems
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01:03:28LloreanIt sounds like the Groups aren't working for Google either
01:03:32LloreanThat "more information" post isn't there
01:03:45LloreanInstead there's an "Oops my post disappeared, I'll repost it later this evening, /me kicks groups" style post
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01:09:34Bagderok, I've now made the applications appear sorted in the order the committers have voted for them
01:10:29Bagdernow I really need to sleep...
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01:13:40billytwowillywhat's the url for the list of updated/added thing to rockbox in cvs?
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01:13:56Lloreanbillytwowilly: The front page of the site?
01:14:21billytwowillyno, there's a wiki page that is manually updated with more info.
01:14:32billytwowillysomeone pointed me to it in here a week or two ago and I've lost the link.
01:14:39LloreanThe MajorChanges wiki page?
01:14:43LloreanThat's not really tied to SVN updated.
01:14:46billytwowillymaybe that's it.
01:14:46LloreanJust general significant changes.
01:14:54LloreanThere is no manual page tied to SVN updates.
01:14:55billytwowillythat's what I'm looking for I think.
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01:15:12billytwowillyand it's in documentation. thanks.
01:15:12peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
01:15:19billytwowillythanks.
01:15:45billytwowillyoooh! file rebuffering. neat!
01:15:47billytwowilly;)
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01:18:52bluebrother... and that page is linked from the frontpage as "changelog" :)
01:19:09Juice^playback of mpegs on the sansa, using the latest build, is acting strange on audio playback.. sounds like electronic noise is all over the sound, same on 3 videos i got, which plays fine on a earlier build
01:19:38LloreanJuice^: This has been reported since some time ago.
01:19:51Juice^Llorean: ok, good to know. thanks
01:20:01LloreanIn fact the cause is already known
01:20:07LloreanIt's just a little awkward to solve properly, I believe
01:20:22Juice^Allright
01:20:49Stalwartsandisk should pay for such advertisement =P
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01:21:15Stalwartevery time i switch to #rockbox buffer to check what's going on i see "sansa" on scren
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01:21:58Stalwartbut i'm still fine with my old nano ^_^
01:22:15Stalwartlatest rockbox builds are pretty stable and well featured
01:22:21Stalwartgood work!
01:22:37Stalwartgnite everyone
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01:39:09Rainbytehi
01:42:35RainbyteLlorean, can you recognize something in this picture?
01:42:36Rainbytehttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5743/dsc00001fi4.jpg
01:50:37peturblurry pic shows rockchip IC and what looks like an SD slot
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01:51:33nicolahhow do I turn off the ipod using rockbox ?
01:52:03markunnicolah: did you check the ipod faq in the wiki?
01:52:23nicolahno, I did not. I will
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01:52:41markundon't know if it's in there (but I think it should)
01:54:20nicolahhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
01:54:26nicolahthere isn't
01:54:53LloreanIt's not in the main manual either?
01:55:28nicolah(checking)
01:56:01nicolahdone, thanks guys
01:56:04nicolahsorry to be this lame
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02:02:20peturlame aint a manual examiner
02:02:34LloreanAugh, recursive acronyms!
02:02:54*petur just gets bored waiting for cygwin
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02:03:09markunnicolah: we just had to point you in the right direction and you found the answer yourself, so no problem
02:03:41nicolahI have to recognize that you have *great* documentation
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02:15:08bryandodsonhey guys, i was looking at a wps file that was not showing any track info, and noticed a %e tag with a bunch of modifiers after it... is that something that was deprecated? i cant find any info on it
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02:16:23bryandodsonnobody?
02:17:27Soapare you sure the track is tagged?
02:18:22bryandodsonyeah, im sure. i've tried it on more than one song. and more than one theme.
02:18:27Llorean%e doesn't exist
02:18:36LloreanIt's probably just unofficial, not deprecated.
02:18:57bryandodsonit was in the JBlackGlass theme... if anyone wants to check that out and fill me in
02:19:07LloreanThat's a theme that requires patches.
02:19:20bryandodsoni see.
02:19:52Soapso it's only that theme where the info doesn't show up?
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02:19:59bryandodsonyeah
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02:23:01Soapcompare and contrast BlackGlass to JBlackGlass to see what needs changed.
02:24:10nicktasticIs aac supported on iAudio X5?
02:25:56LloreanAs supported as it is anywhere else in Rockbox.
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02:28:18nicktasticWell, I've read in several places that rockbox does support aac on some platforms, so that would be yes then? It is supported on X5?
02:28:24nicktasticdammit
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02:28:56nicktasticWell, I've read in several places that rockbox does support aac on some platforms, so that would be yes then? It is supported on X5?
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02:29:48LloreanYes, though support for AAC is imperfect.
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02:31:08nicktasticDo I need to do anything special to make it work? I encoded a wav with faac, put it on my X5, browsed to it, selected it, but nothing happens, it won't pla
02:31:10nicktasticy
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02:31:34nicktasticDoes it need to be m4a or something?
02:38:59LloreanIf you can see it in the browser, it should be alright.
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02:39:22LloreanBut as I said, it's not perfect. There are a lot of conditions under which the files may not work.
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02:40:01*moos KISSES musepack ;-)
02:42:44RainbyteLlorean, my mp4:
02:42:45Rainbytehttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5743/dsc00001fi4.jpg
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02:53:15nicktasticLlorean: I see, thanks for the info
02:53:52nicktasticmoos: Is musepack a good choice for low bitrates (64kbit)?
02:55:31moosnot that's the contrario, mpc is better at "high" bitrates
02:55:43LloreanAuToV tuned Vorbis is good for low bitrates
02:55:51moosindeed
02:56:24nicktasticThanks!
02:56:36moosnickstatic: don't you bother about sound quality? maybe you don't have as much storage on your dap?
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02:57:44nicktasticmoos: I encode most at ~256kbit vorbis, but I have some lectures which are huge at 128kbit
02:57:57nicktasticAnd I am space-constrained on my player
02:58:03moosok
02:58:48*moos doesn't likes vorbis much on DAPs cause it's ressources hungry
02:59:02Lloreannicktastic: For lectures or speech, you should use Speex
02:59:27Llorean32kbps, 16khz mono and it sounds quite good. You can probably do less than that.
02:59:52nicktasticLlorean: These are lectures on music, so there are clips of orchestras playing, etc. Is speex still a good choice?
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03:00:01LloreanAh, not so much
03:00:06nicktastic(Although that is very good to know for the non-music ones)
03:00:33LloreanSpeex will still work if you don't need high fidelity during the music, but quality won't be as good as say 64kbps vorbis. Still, definitely make sure you encode in Mono unless there's a *need* for stereo, I'd say
03:00:54*nicktastic nods
03:06:53FebsOr use an encoder that takes advantage of joint stereo, like LAME.
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03:07:17Febs(I should say mid-side stereo.)
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03:11:15FebsJust as an example, I have a series of lectures that I encoded in LAME's -V5 setting. This setting has a target bitrate of ~135kbps. When encoding lectures consisting mostly of speech, however, they end up at under 90 kbps average.
03:14:27*nicktastic reads about joint frequency encoding
03:14:52Febsnicktastic, be aware that there is a lot of MISinformation about joint encoding floating around.
03:16:48Rincewindthe most important misinformation is about quality. Joint stereo is in no way worse than normal stereo
03:16:53FebsThis is a good explanation: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Joint_stereo
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03:17:50nicktasticthanks :)
03:18:18Febsnicktastic: no problem. Just out of curiosity, what are the music lectures you are encoding?
03:19:43nicktasticRobert Greenberg's High Baroque and Great Masters
03:20:02nicktasticor whatever its called
03:20:31nicktasticTTC
03:20:38FebsThose are excellent. I have the "How to Listen to Great Music" series.
03:20:43FebsAlso by Greenberg.
03:21:41nicktasticYes he is a gifted orator :)
03:23:57nicktasticDaniel N. Robinson also stands out
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03:38:27donutman25how do i change pitch on sansa e200?
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04:00:38nicktasticWow, it seems aotuv couldn't kick more ass
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05:30:44piratedninjahi everyone just got a quick question for you
05:31:15piratedninjaif i put rockbox on my sansa e200 how can i remove it or go back to the original firmware?
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05:34:17hpeezeif i put rockbox on my sansa e200 how can i remove it or go back to the original firmware?
05:36:32angusthefuzzuse the sansapatcher and hit the 'u' key when it asks
05:36:50angusthefuzzor power on the player while pressing hte |<< key
05:37:31hpeezewhere can i get the sansapatcher?
05:39:08angusthefuzzjust read the manual for the sansa port of rockbox
05:39:10angusthefuzzits all in there
05:39:24hpeezeok
05:39:27hpeezethanks
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05:40:58scubacolesHi all, anyone compiling in MacOS? I'm struggling with setup...
05:43:32angusthefuzzThe new build of the sansa e200 port corrupts the topmost line of pixels on my player for both the rockbox and factory firmware. This is not the case when only the factory firmware is installed.
05:43:56angusthefuzzI wondered if anyone has seen this problem before
05:52:06hpeezedoes it go back to normal if u go back to the orignal firmware and remove rockbox?
05:52:23angusthefuzzyes
05:52:30hpeezeok
05:52:47hpeezetry getting an older build and see what happens
05:55:26angusthefuzzi am hesitant because it has been out for such a short time, great updates are made each day
05:55:42angusthefuzzi just wanted to see if i was the only one with the problem or if this is a known issue
05:56:17hpeezeim getting ready to try it out on my sansa right now
05:56:27hpeezeso i'll let u know what happens in the next 5-10minutes
05:56:27angusthefuzzgreat, let me know!
05:56:47angusthefuzzwhat model do you have?
05:57:01angusthefuzzi have an e280 with the new scroll wheel design
05:57:15angusthefuzz(in case the scroll wheel design matters)
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05:58:39hpeezei have the e260 (older model)
05:59:00hpeezegot it right before the newer rapsody versions were released
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06:03:22hpeezegot it running on here now
06:03:38hpeezeand it seems to be working just fine
06:03:57angusthefuzzthe top row is not missing most of the pixels?
06:04:15hpeezeno
06:04:38angusthefuzzya, im gunna need to wait for a developer, maybe it only affects the newer models, I just got my player
06:04:40hpeezethe numbers for the time are touching the very top of the screen
06:04:44hpeezeif thats what u mean
06:04:58angusthefuzzno, i cant read half the numbers
06:05:06hpeezeoh
06:05:15hpeezeno im not having that problem on mine
06:05:24hpeezei can fully see the numbers
06:05:26angusthefuzzthe top row is gone except for a few white pixels in the left corner
06:06:01hpeezenope dont have that on my sansa
06:06:13angusthefuzz:-\
06:06:15hpeezeand i have the latest build
06:06:59hpeezedo you know how to make it go up 1 line in the menu when i click the wheel foward 1 click?
06:07:18hpeezeit moves up or down 2 lines at a time per click of the wheel
06:07:26angusthefuzzmine just does that, hmmm
06:13:15hpeezedoes anyone know how to reboot a frozen sansa e200?
06:13:28hpeezewithout taking the battery out
06:14:44angusthefuzzholding down the power button for a while worked for me
06:14:51hpeezenvm i figured it out
06:15:12hpeezei held down the center button and the powerbutton at the same time for about 5seconds
06:15:16hpeezeand it worked
06:18:17hpeezeWOW rockbox has games? WOOT
06:18:32hpeezefinally something to keep me busy during those boring COM lectures
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06:34:02aliaskAnyone know much about the way that new menus are created (specifically MENUITEM_STRINGLIST)?
06:39:55hpeezewhy do i get "one of the usb devices not recognized..." when i plug in the usb cable?
06:40:13aliaskWhich target?
06:41:39hpeezewhat do u mean which target?
06:41:43aliaskhpeeze: What mp3 player do you have.
06:42:29hpeezesansa e260
06:43:20aliaskHrm, not exactly sure how USB works on those player, but I think it just uses the original firmware's usb function.
06:43:39aliaskDoes the usb work fine when you plug it in while it's in the sansa firmware?
06:44:36hpeezeu just plug in the usb cord and it shows the drive as a removable drive
06:45:11aliaskI'll take that as a yes then. If I were you I'd just use the original firmware for usb until we get a working USB stack in the rockbox code.
06:46:24hpeezei cant use the original firmware if i cant get into usb mode to remove rockbox
06:46:57aliaskHave you read the manual?
06:47:33hpeezeyes
06:48:47aliaskOh that's right, the sansa is one of those ones which can't dual boot... hrm that's a difficult situation then. i think you should wait until someone who actually knows something about the sansa comes around.
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06:49:49hpeezeok
06:50:14hpeezedo you know how i can get into the recovery mode?
06:50:29hpeezeive heard something about it but dont know how to get into it
06:51:25aliaskSorry, no idea.
06:52:29hpeezei got it into usb mode
06:52:32hpeezeWOOT!
06:52:48hpeezejust turned the player off and plugged in the usb cord and it worked
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07:21:22hpeezedoes anyone know where i can get more rockbox themes for my sansa e200?
07:23:21hpeezenvm found em
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07:43:34hpeezeis there a way i can increase the font size on my sansa e200?
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08:17:36Zendeferahi guys, so I haven't updated my ipod in like 8 months, so I might have forgotten something. I downloaded the current build, unzipped it, copied the .rockbox dir over the old one, and copied the rockbox.ipod over the oldone... I put my english.voice in the lang dir, and restarted my ipod. I am not getting any speech any ideas?
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08:31:17lexmaybe there's a new version of english.voice
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08:33:24amiconnZendefera: If you didn't update for so long, it is likely that you need to update the bootloader as well
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08:55:48kkurbjunamiconn: was tehre somethign wrong with my commit that broke the build servers?
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08:56:42kkurbjunBagder are you around?
08:57:09amiconnLooks like Bagder added a new build server which isn't quite up to the task yet
08:57:45amiconnUnfortunately it seems to be located close to the master, and failing a build is very fast. So it failed lots of builds :(
08:59:06kkurbjunahh, well at least it wasn't me then. I need to sleep now. Thanks for the information amiconn.
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09:11:28Bagdershould be fixed now
09:11:41Bagderbut I'll remove it for now since I won't be around until tonight
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09:46:02posingaspopularhi i was wondering if there was anyway to get rockbox to work well between a windows XP sp2 install and a kubuntu 6.10 install. from my understanding the bootloader is different for the different OS'.
09:47:04lexhow did you manage to install windows xp and kubuntu into a mp3 player? :o
09:48:14posingaspopularlex: your guess is as good as mine. i should add that im using a 30 gig video ipod
09:48:37lexso you have installed xp and kubuntu into your ipod's hd?
09:49:18posingaspopularlex: no i mean i want to put music on the ipod from two differnt computers, with two different OS types
09:49:34lexand there comes the question, at last
09:49:47posingaspopularlex: sorry im slow
09:50:12lexit depends on what program you're using to transfer the music
09:51:49posingaspopularsongbird on windows/amorak on kubuntu
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10:02:59scorchewell, that is a bit out of the scope of this channel, as this channel deals with rockbox and not programs to sync...the file browser works fine in both OSs ;)
10:04:30posingaspopularscorche: thanks, that's all i really needed to know i guess
10:04:39posingaspopulari'll pop back in here if i have any issues
10:18:38Rob2222Hi all. Can it be, that the actual iPod Video version doesnt run with a ipod Video bootloader older than 1/2 year?
10:19:39midkayRob2222: yes, some updates took place that pretty much require you to use a rather new bootloader.
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10:54:45Rob2222hmm, ok thx. then i just have to look how 2 update the bl
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12:04:24caduhello, i'm charging the (toshiba gigabeat f) via USB, can i USE it while charging ? (wanna listen to some songs)
12:05:04bluebrothercadu: just tried it ... I don't know the Gigabeat but other devices can do this.
12:06:04bluebrothererr, just try it. Haven't tried it myself (for reasons I said ;-)
12:06:53caduthe only button that 'works' is Power, that turns off the unit :(
12:07:08cadui wanna know if there's a way to do it...like holding something while powering up etc
12:07:31Overandon the iPod, you hold the 'menu' button while you insert the usb gizmo
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12:19:56stripwaxHi. So I've never really dabbled much with writing my own WPS, but I think there's a bug. The 'next track' tag doesn't seem to scroll. Is this expected behaviour or has the WPS tokenizer rewrite broken this?
12:20:12stripwaxe.g. %s%?It<%It|> doesn't ever seem to scroll
12:20:50stripwaxreproducible using a long track title in Unicatcher wps on latest svn build by the way
12:24:01bluebrotherstripwax: it should scroll like all other lines ...
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12:24:46bluebrotherI guess that is caused by the tokenizer −− guess you'll ask NicoP best.
12:24:58stripwaxbluebrother - I'd have thought so too. I've added to the WPS Tokenizer - Report Bugs Here thread.
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12:54:00AceNik_hey blue brother check pvt
12:54:11cadunow a question about battery
12:54:23caduall these hard drive based players use Li-Ion as their batteries, right
12:54:35cadui wanna ask you guys what's the common discharge rate for these batteries.....
12:54:35stripwaxHm, looks like the problem might be that the next track info continually updates, so it's always being reset to zero-offset scroll position
12:54:45bluebrothermost. The archos players have different ones
12:55:05cadulike, if my batt is at 70% and i leave the player 2 days (48h) resting and turn it on, what battery level should i expect ?!
12:55:11stripwax(just from running in gdb. looks like I always hit write_line, all the time)
12:55:34cadui'm studying a case where my players batt may be dying a slow death :P
12:55:44bluebrotherAceNik_: no. I disabled messages from unregistered users again.
12:56:58AceNik_well i figured out the problem , its a sytem file .dat file , its encrypted , its 1KB can u help , cause this file when deleted , makes it start again, but when the player shutsdown doesnt start again cause this file is formed again
12:57:02stripwaxDoes anyone apart from NicoP really understand the difference between WPS_REFRESH_DYNAMIC and WPS_REFRESH_STATIC .. ?
12:57:28*bluebrother goes looking around for his ignore command ...
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13:03:04stripwaxnever mind. details here. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9727.15
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13:09:34amiconnstripwax: WPS_REFRESH_DYNAMIC and WPS_REFRESH_STATIC existed well before the tokenizer patch
13:10:06stripwaxamiconn - understood, but how do I interpret their meaning.
13:10:24stripwaxe.g. why is 'next album artist' static but 'next album track' dynamic
13:10:42amiconnSounds like a mistake
13:10:58amiconnAfaik, static refresh data is only refreshed at track changes
13:11:30stripwaxright. which I think is what I suggested in the above link
13:11:49amiconnSo next track info needs to be dynamic on hwcodec devices, b/c it often changes between tracks (cause it isn't available until the beginning of the next track enters the buffer)
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13:11:56stripwaxbecause 'next album track' is dynamic, it gets updated all the time continuously, so it never actually gets a chance to scroll
13:12:05stripwaxoh. hm.
13:12:41amiconnScrolling next track info worked before the tokenizer afaik (don't use it in my wps'es)
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13:14:58stripwaxamiconn - thanks, I'm pretty sure it used to work before the tokenizer too. Although now it's less clear to me what the fix should be - next track info needs to be dynamic for hwcodec but static for swcodec? or the dynamic refresh needs to be fixed in the new gwps code so that if the text doesn't change it doesn't try to puts_scroll the same text (which resets the scrolling offset continually)? or something else?
13:15:46amiconnWell, new scrolling code will allow to choose whether new scroll text will reset the scrolling position or not
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13:17:56stripwaxamiconn - ? Are you suggesting that new options need to be added to puts_scroll? Or is the new scrolling code something that's already available? (but this worked before the tokenizer, right ..?)
13:18:12amiconnNo, it's not yet available
13:18:23amiconnThe new scrolling code will be part of the viewports move
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13:19:47stripwaxhm, ok - so how to fix the wps code in the meantime? the %It tag should not trigger continously all the time.
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13:23:13*amiconn is looking for a nice place to put a function that is shared between menu.c and tree.c
13:24:28amiconnI could use misc.c ...
13:25:02amiconnAnother thing is that we have a macro HAVE_SW_POWEROFF now, which is defined for all targets except archos player and recorder v1
13:25:29amiconnI think it would be good to reverse the logic, but I am not sure about the naming of that inverse macro...
13:26:46stripwaxHAVE_HW_POWEROFF?
13:27:09amiconnPerhaps, but both names don't really match what they mean
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13:28:05amiconnAll targets can be powered off by software, and many can also be powered off by hardware means if the software hangs
13:28:44bluebrotherHAVE_NO_SW_POWEROFF?
13:29:16amiconnThe macro is there to distinguish between targets where we can intercept the normal poweroff before hardware poweroff kicks in, i.e. either have no hardware poweroff (irivers), or the hardware poweroff timeout is quite long (archos fm/v2, Ondios, iAudios)
13:30:19amiconn...from targets where the hardware poweroff timeout is so short that we need to keep the user away from using it, and use another way for clean shutdown
13:30:32amiconnThe latter targets are player and recorder v1
13:30:34bluebrotherHAVE_SLOW_HW_POWEROFF maybe?
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13:31:37amiconn...and I would like to find a suitable macro name to define for those 2 targets only (less clutter in the config-<target>.h files)
13:32:16amiconnNEED_CLEAN_SHUTDOWN_MEASURE perhaps...
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13:55:28Nico_Pstripwax: you here ?
13:55:50stripwaxyep
13:56:00Nico_Pjust read your report and the log
13:56:13Nico_Pare you sure these lines used to scroll before the tokenizer ?
13:56:39stripwaxI've just checked out an old svn and I'm trying to confirm right now
13:56:47stripwax"pretty sure" but want to check
13:56:49Nico_Pand about the DYNAMIC and STATIC attributes... I used the same as in the previous code
13:57:40Nico_Pand it makes sense that the next track info should be static but as amiconn said, it can change at any moment, even on SWCODEC targets
13:58:15Nico_Pbut maybe they should be made static and then a change of info should trigger a complete WPS update
13:58:42stripwaxso something must be up with the way these are triggered, because they're currently triggering -all the time-.
13:58:48stripwaxConfirmed - these used to scroll on old builds
13:58:57Nico_Pyes, DYNAMIC updates often
13:59:03Nico_P:(
13:59:08stripwaxI guess it used to update less often?
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13:59:50Nico_Pstripwax: if it updated less often, I guess the time display would be jerky and you'd see the scrolling line "jump"
13:59:58stripwaxIt looks like %s and %ac also no longer work together, for some reason
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14:00:21Nico_Pstripwax: they do on normal lines
14:00:23stripwaxNico_P - I'll try it through the debugger.
14:01:29stripwaxNico_P - I'm thinking there must be something in the old code that prevented a puts_scroll if the next track title didn't actually change. Because a puts_scroll is getting triggered all the time, the line doesn't actually scroll
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14:03:20Nico_Pstripwax: looks like the next info is DYNAMIC and STATIC at the same time in the old code
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14:03:28Nico_Pin mine it's only DYNAMIC
14:03:48stripwaxhrm. I can't even imagine what dynamic + static together might mean :-)
14:04:02stripwaxbut yeah, that could be the problem
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14:05:12Nico_PI'm testing now
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14:05:33stripwaxthanks!
14:09:31Nico_Psetting them to static makes them scroll
14:10:46stripwaxI know
14:11:13stripwaxbut is that the right fix?
14:15:11Nico_Pnot sure... It prevents the next track info from being displayed when it appears
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14:15:51Nico_Pthe update of the next track info should trigger a WPS refresh
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14:18:23stripwaxRight. Stepping thru the old code, it looks like we never get (refresh_mode & WPS_REFRESH_SCROLL) triggering repeatedly. In the new code, we always end up processing the puts_scroll code.
14:19:10stripwaxChanging track causes a WPS_REFRESH_SCROLL event however, as expected
14:21:20stripwaxSo it sounds like DYNAMIC is the right flag to have for next track metadata, but somehow the wps_refresh_scroll refresh event is being used too enthusiastically
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14:23:35stripwaxMaybe the order is different? WPS_REFRESH_SCROLL happens in preference to WPS_REFRESH_DYNAMIC in the old code
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14:26:21stripwaxOh. The new code doesn't seem to check refresh_mode & WPS_REFRESH_SCROLL ? is that the problem?
14:28:50Nico_Pstripwax: probably
14:29:04stripwaxok. testing a fix.
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14:29:50Nico_Pme too :)
14:31:22stripwaxWell it seems to fix for me.
14:32:48moosNico_P: no fix yet for the annoying "track peack gain tag" bug? ;P
14:33:13Nico_Pmoos: no, and I'm not sure it's directly related to the tokenizer
14:33:26Nico_Pstripwax: can I see your fix ? mine isn't completely good
14:33:46pearldiver"RTC alarm for Gigabeat. Will be useful one the OF bootloader is no longer required" ?
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14:34:27moosNico_P: oh, the bug seems to came since your WPS rework here
14:35:03moosthat's true that the curious thing is, even in the tag viewer, I have those strange things
14:35:05Nico_Pmoos: It's probably related but not in a simple way
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14:35:49markunpearldiver: what about it?
14:36:00stripwaxhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7000
14:36:31stripwax^ Nico_P. I've linked it to the WPS thread too.
14:36:44pearldivermarkun, "OF bootloader is no longer required", this part
14:36:51pearldiveris a little confusing
14:36:55Nico_Pstripwax: that works fine for you ? mine seemed to be mostly the same
14:37:09stripwaxNico_P - seems to. what problems did you encounter?
14:37:12markunpearldiver: I think "one" should have been "when"
14:37:28pearldiveraha :)
14:37:32markunbasically, RTC can be used when we have our own bootloader in flash
14:37:39markunwhere did you read this btw?
14:37:48pearldivermain page
14:37:53markuneh, wakup alarm I mean :)
14:37:57Nico_Pstripwax: actually I replaced "flags & WPS_REFRESH_SCROLL" by "refresh_mode & flags & WPS_REFRESH_SCROLL", which isn't quite the same
14:38:07stripwaxah. no, that won't work!
14:38:15Nico_PI mean it doesnt produce the same effect
14:38:27Nico_Pstripwax: no, it didn't work well :)
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14:38:57Nico_Pstripwax: I'm going to have lunch but as soon as possible I'll check and commit your patch
14:39:05stripwaxNico_P - great!
14:39:07stripwaxand thanks!
14:39:17Nico_Pstripwax: thanks to you
14:39:19*stripwax gets peckish too and wanders off for a sandwich
14:39:23stripwax:-)
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14:44:16stripwaxcrap- somehow I set the category of my patch to be 'Battery/Charging' rather than gui, .. sorry about that
14:46:04stripwaxmarkun : - probably 'once' rather than 'one'
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14:52:07markunstripwax: yes, that must be it
14:52:10stripwaxCould someone close this redundant patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6972
14:52:36pixelmastripwax: would "wps" be the correct category?
14:52:46stripwaxpixelma - yep, thanks
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15:43:53stripwaxHas anyone considered a regression test framework for rockbox?
15:45:05stripwax(think it could be a good albeit nontrivial Summer Of Code project)
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15:54:42qwedsawhat's wrong with this code?
15:54:43qwedsahttp://paste.uni.cc/14411
15:54:51qwedsaBUTTON_OFF works
15:55:05qwedsabut BUTTON_ON doesnt
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15:59:56linuxstbqwedsa: Which device are you working on?
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16:00:29qwedsaiRiver H300
16:00:43qwedsawith the simulator
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16:04:41qwedsawb linuxstb :P
16:05:09qwedsai'm working on a iRiver H300 with the simulator
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16:08:51linuxstbqwedsa: I can't see anything obviously wrong. What happens if you swap ON and OFF?
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16:10:11qwedsaOnly the BUTTON_OFF works :(
16:13:22qwedsagot it
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16:14:32qwedsabutton on = +
16:14:36qwedsanot 5
16:15:06linuxstbThat would help ;)
16:15:14qwedsa:P
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16:46:36admin_On the rockbox build page, what does 'sim' mean next to the realeases?
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16:50:51linuxstbadmin_: Those aren't releases, just all the different versions of Rockbox which the automated build system builds. "sim" is the UI Simulator - a version of Rockbox that runs on your PC.
16:52:17admin_THanks linuxstb
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16:59:08admin_WOuld someone mind helping me, I try to use the makefile for the sim, but when running the makefile: /bin/sh: m68k-elf-gcc: not found
16:59:12admin_CONVBDF
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16:59:19admin_make: *** [all] Error 2
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17:00:58bluebrotherwhat "Makefile for the sim"?
17:01:10bluebrotherthe makefile is created by configure.
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17:02:13admin_bluebrother: yeah, I meant that, but when i run make, it shows that stuff
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17:02:43bluebrotheryou did not select "Simulator" as build target.
17:02:50admin_oh..nope :p, I didn't
17:02:58admin_I can ONLY select simulator?
17:03:03admin_I can't do things like dev, or normal?
17:03:11bluebrotherhow do you expect to build the sim if you select something else?
17:03:16admin_hmmm
17:03:19admin_Good question ;)
17:03:24bluebrotheryou can select normal, but that will build it for your target
17:03:32admin_thanks bluebrother
17:03:32bluebrotherwhich in turn requires a cross compiler
17:03:43bluebrotheri.e. m68k in your case
17:04:28bluebrotherbe aware that the sim is intended for debugging, not as a standalone pc application.
17:04:30RincewindI have a problem. My H120 doesn't show up in Linux when I plug usb in
17:04:32Rincewindis there a way to mount it manually?
17:05:01admin_crap, lots of errors bluebrother , about button-x11
17:05:02linuxstbRincewind: Has it suddenly stopped working, or has it never worked?
17:06:06bluebrotherdo you have sdl installed? Including development packages?
17:06:21bluebrotherRincewind: does this also affect usb bootloader mode?
17:06:42Rincewindit has suddenly stopped working
17:07:04Rincewindi think it is a problem with my linux, my usb stick isn't working either
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17:07:23linuxstbRincewind: That seems to happen in Linux sometimes - a reboot might be needed.
17:07:49bluebrotheryou can also try to unload and reload all usb modules
17:07:53RincewindI just rebooted
17:08:18admin_no ideas bluebrother ?
17:09:10bluebrotheradmin_, have you sdl installed?
17:09:44linuxstbadmin_: Delete your build directory, create a new one, and then run ../tools/configure, selecting 11 for H320, S for simulator, then S for SDL.
17:10:04linuxstbadmin_: It shouldn't be looking for button-x11 unless you've misconfigured it.
17:10:25admin_hmm, I'll try that linuxstb
17:10:35linuxstbMake sure the configure script says "selected sdl simulator" in the messages at the end.
17:10:50admin_I can't pick iRiver X5?
17:11:03admin_*iAudio
17:11:04bluebrotheryou can.
17:11:06admin_ok
17:11:21linuxstbadmin_: Sorry, I confused you with someone else...
17:11:28bluebrotheryou didn't tell what device you are trying to build, and there aren't too much coldfire targets ...
17:11:29admin_heh
17:14:42admin_hmm
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17:14:58admin_Build (W)in32 or (X)11 GUI version? (X)
17:14:58admin_S
17:14:58admin_Selected x11 simulator
17:15:14bluebrothererrr ... how old is your source?
17:15:17linuxstbYou've downloaded some very old sourcecode...
17:15:20admin_orly?
17:15:21admin_hmm darn
17:15:25admin_I DL'd it a few minutes ago :p
17:15:30admin_I'll get the svn?
17:15:39bluebrotherwhat source did you download?
17:15:46linuxstbOr get the source from the "current builds" page. But SVN is generally better.
17:15:54admin_http://www.rockbox.org/download/rockbox-2.5.tar.gz
17:16:03bluebrotheruarrrgh.
17:16:11bluebrotherthat's wayyy outdated.
17:16:21admin_hah
17:16:35admin_well, then yall should update the downloads page :p
17:16:52bluebrotherno
17:17:08bluebrotherthe download page holds the releases. There hasn't been a release for 2 years or so
17:17:10admin_where should I get it from
17:17:19bluebrotherthe "current build" link
17:17:28bluebrotheror use svn
17:17:35admin_ok
17:17:46bluebrotherthere also hasn't been a release for any other players than the archos ones
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17:21:39admin_hah, wow, the latest svn realese...woah, defiitly a lot more options then the old one xD
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17:22:42bluebrotherhmm. The download page says "Note: Version 2.5 was only released for Archos devices. For other devices, download a current build" and you try to use that source for building the x5 sim? Interesting idea ;-)
17:22:59admin_heh
17:24:28bluebrotherRincewind: have you tried resoldering your headphone jack? Made the connection problems much better for me
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17:25:10Rincewindwhy would I want to do that?
17:25:50bluebrotherdidn't you add a search "request" for the headphone jack on the SpareParts page?
17:26:44RincewindI need a line-out jack because the plastic is broken inside the jack
17:26:47Rincewindthe problem is the combined optical. I couldn't find one on reichelt or conrad
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17:27:08bluebrotherah, ok. Then I mixed it up a bit ;-)
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17:27:13bluebrothertried farnell?
17:28:58Rincewindnot yet
17:30:39admin_nicee, this is good, thanks for the help bluebrother and linuxstb
17:31:13bluebrotherbbl
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18:04:25spiorfhi all, i found a "battery capacity" setting in rockbox, but the lower limit is far higher than the battery capacity of my ipod nano. there is something i forgot?
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18:40:52tchanspiorf: yes, you forgot to RTFM. battery capacity settings are fairly meaningless on all ipods using rockbox. The devs haven't finished the power savings and optimiziations yet.
18:43:16bluebrotherspiorf: additionally, that value is only used for the remaining runtime estimation. It doesn't do anything else.
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19:02:44stripwaxI've sync'd the albumart patch to work with the wps tokenizer. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045
19:03:54elinenbestripwax: good job.
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20:13:08markunI still get stereo reversal on the Gigabeat after pausing from time to time :(
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20:50:33Saibotanyone?
20:51:15bluebrotheranyone what?
20:51:17davinaanyone what?
20:51:23davinajinx lol
20:51:29bluebrother;-)
20:51:42SaibotI was wondering how to switch the dualboot hold time on my X5
20:51:59bluebrotherafaik dual-boot is unofficial on x5
20:52:24SaibotI know, but I'd still like to know how I can change that
20:52:25davinano idea, i only have an ipod
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20:52:49bluebrotherask the guy who did the unofficial bootloader
20:52:50peturiirc, there's a patch on the tracker
20:53:34fm2Hey committers. Care to look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7001?
20:54:06fm2And http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6998
20:54:14Saibotalright, thanks
20:55:26bluebrotherI like the idea, but I'm not working on whe wps parsing stuff
20:56:07bluebrotherbut I wanted to add that patch to the manual documenting the rtc tags. Maybe I'll wait a couple of days until this is cleared
20:56:12fm2bluebrother: which of the two?
20:56:19bluebrotherboth ;-)
20:57:14Saibotnevermind, I don't want to mess up my player..
20:58:28fm2bluebrother: is there such a manual patch (for rtc?) BTW: FS #6998 has wrong title. It should be rtc, not rts
20:59:17davinathis is going to make all the wps that use %c invalid
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21:00:08bluebrotherfm2, check FS #6986. I corrected your task title
21:00:12fm2davina: Yes. Are there many? All official RB WPS's have been updated. And RB isn't released yet. So changes are possible.
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21:00:56bluebrotherand added it as related task
21:01:10fm2bluebrother: ok
21:01:20fm2Hopefully, this won't get lost
21:01:24davinai have 2 that I made that will be affected lol
21:01:54fm2davina: your private? Then you could update them. It's really easy.
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21:24:17datachildIf i want to update my old rockbox firmware with a newly build, do i just write over the old .rockbox dir with the new one?
21:24:51bluebrotheryes.
21:24:55datachildokay :)
21:25:19bluebrotherif you have a rockbox.ipod in the root folder you can remove that too −− it's now below the .rockbox folder
21:25:41datachildyeah, okay
21:26:20bluebrotherand on ipods, make sure you have a recent bootloader.
21:26:31bluebrotherotherwise you might experience data aborts.
21:27:35datachildoh, okay
21:28:04datachildno fonts-dir in the new releases?
21:28:49bluebrotherfonts are a separate package since quite a long time now
21:28:55datachildoh, okay
21:29:15datachildbut it's okay to put my old font-dir in the .rockbox dir?
21:29:50bluebrotheryes. The fonts format hasn't changed, though there might have been some fixes to the fonts.
21:30:16bluebrotherbut for that you could simply overwrite the folder with the fonts package afterwards.
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21:35:58datachildthanks
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21:50:48robin0800with the new album art patch what are the wps tags?
21:51:32bluebrothersame as before maybe?
21:51:47stripwaxrobin0800 - unless I screwed up. I'm fixing the conditionals right now..
21:51:52robin0800they don't seem to work
21:52:44stripwaxwhat don't work, the conditionals, or the %Cl and %C tags?
21:53:02stripwaxTell me exactly what you're doing, and I'll try for a fix.
21:53:44robin0800%Cl|15|70|||
21:53:44robin0800%C
21:54:06stripwaxAh. ok. So I probably broke the default. I bet it works with %Cl|15|70|100|100|
21:54:12stripwaxtaking a look
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21:56:07robin0800yes ypur right its just the default broken
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21:59:02robin0800just noticed wth 100|100 the pictures if bigger still get displayed
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22:08:20Bagderanyone with a commit pending? ;-)
22:08:28*Bagder wants his build server tested
22:09:07stripwaxrobin0800 - what was the behaviour before today?
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22:13:36fm2Bagder: you could try it out with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6998
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22:13:54scoateshi
22:14:02bluebrotherhehe ;-)
22:14:13fm2Bagder: it's quite harmless
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22:14:26fm2bluebrother: ;-)
22:14:31BagderI won't
22:14:36Bagdernot today at least
22:14:37scoatesI poked around the site a bit, and didn't find an answer. My ipod (color) sits in its dock, tehtered to my laptop all day, most days. Is there a way for me to (e.g.) display auxillary information on the screen (via usb) while it's docked?
22:15:06fm2Bagder: I only wanted to test the new build server ;-)
22:15:17bluebrotherscoates, no. At least not yet
22:15:34Bagderfm2: right, but I'm not spending time to work on a random patch for this
22:15:39scoateshmm.. too bad (-: that would be sweet. Scrolling RSS feed, for example..
22:16:03bluebrotherscoates, feel free to implement the needed usb stuff ;-)
22:16:04fm2Bagder: ok, I was just kidding
22:16:20scoatesheh... bluebrother I could write the RSS parser, but that's about it (-:
22:16:58fm2scoates: are you in the southern semisphere? Your smiley is turned :-)
22:16:58bluebrotheronce we have a proper usb stack this might be something to think about. But that's nothing for me
22:17:19bluebrotherfm2, I guess he's rather left-handed
22:17:49scoatesnah.. I'm in Canadia. I developed the backwards-smiley habit back when I was a teenager on BBSs.
22:18:12*petur thinks of committing a new plugin
22:18:20bluebrotherwhat plugin?
22:18:31petura wavfile viewer
22:18:43scoatesthanks for the info.
22:18:45bluebrotherviewer? Like viewing the waveform?
22:18:49peturyep
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22:19:21scoatesI'd also like to be able to use my scroll wheel to jog, but I don't think that's possible, is it?
22:19:31bluebrotherno
22:19:59bluebrotherunless you create a patch to do it of course.
22:20:02scoatesthat's the only thing I miss about the Apple firmware.. quick jogging to 30-mins into the track
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22:20:19bluebrotherwe have accellerated seeking ...
22:20:31bluebrotherit's quite handy too.
22:20:52scoatesyeah, but it still takes a long time to find my place in podcasts where it neglected to save the position, somehow
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22:21:11scoatesaccellerated seeking=the seek gets faster, the longer you've held down the button?
22:21:21moospetur: please do, Bagder need a commit :)
22:21:22bluebrotheruse bookmarks
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22:23:48netmasta10btscoates: yes thats accelerated seeking −− i dont believe its on by default
22:24:05etedoranyone know what to do when rockbox freezes at the loading screen on a 4th gen b/w ipod and isn't recognized by windows?
22:24:21scoatesnetmasta10bt: yeah, I have that. It's still annoying to jump [a large amount]. Much smoother with the wheel.
22:24:34markunscoates: I agree that 'percentual' seeking would be a nice feature
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22:25:18bluebrotheraccellerated seeking is enabled per default.
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22:27:45etedor:(
22:28:57bluebrotheretedor, do you have the latest bootloader?
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22:30:50etedori think so
22:30:52etedorone sec
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22:31:45etedorer guess not but i do now
22:33:00stripwaxrobin0800 - patch updated, let me know if works better for you. I still didn't understand the comment about "the pictures is bigger get displayed"
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22:35:57bluebrotheretedor, does it work with a recent bootloader and a current build?
22:36:07perl|worksomehow this one got out of sync too:
22:36:08perl|workhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5241
22:36:47etedori can't even try to put another build on. windows doesn't recognize it as anything
22:36:51scoateswould it be possible to write a plugin for rockbox that listens to the (USB) serial interface and gets data via USB? (approaching my wishlist from a different angle)
22:37:04bluebrotheretedor, reboot the ipod and go into emergency disk mode
22:37:23bluebrotherthen make sure to have the latest bootloader (just run ipodpatcher) and install a current build
22:37:29bluebrotherand check if it works.
22:38:12bluebrotherscoates, what do you exactly mean? While usb is a serial bus it isn't simply a serial interface like the COM ports on your pc.
22:38:17stripwaxscoates - the plugin writer would almost certainly have to write their own USB protocol stack. Yes it's 'possible'. I think it's covered by part of one of the Google Summer Of Code projects for USBOTG on rockbox.
22:38:45scoateshrm.. ok
22:38:51scoatesI'll check out the GSoC project
22:38:53scoatesthanks
22:38:58bluebrotheryou also need to do the usb enumeration to get any kind of usb connection which is more than simple sniffing
22:39:10scoateshmm
22:39:39bluebrotherusb is some kind of a complex beast.
22:39:47scoateshmm.. plus, it's not actually rockbox that I see when it's plugged in, right? (the "ΓΈ" screen)
22:40:58etedorugh. when i reboot and hold menu+play it'll either freeze at the loading screen like normal, or go to the main menu and then show the charging icon as soon as i plug it in
22:42:07stripwaxetedor - can you reboot into the regular apple fw?
22:42:19etedormy ipod's been out of commission for awhile. i tried installing rockbox a month or two ago and then it started freezing so i gave up and let it sit. should i let it charge for awhile?
22:42:32etedorif that's the emergency disk mode then no
22:43:00etedorblank screen, apple logo comes up, i hold menu+play, it goes to the rockbox initializing screen
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22:43:44bluebrotherthe moment the apple logo comes up press Select + Play. It should go into emergency disk mode then
22:43:55etedoroh. my bad
22:44:05bluebrotheri.e. you shouldn't see Rockbox booting.
22:44:13etedorwrong button :x
22:44:37etedorthere we go
22:44:53bluebrotherthere is also a hardware diagnostic mode. You can access that with Select + Left like the emergency disk mode
22:45:13bluebrotheronce you're in emergency disk mode try updating Rockbox and the bootloader.
22:45:27etedorright
22:45:32etedorshould i format it or anything?
22:45:45bluebrotherhmm. I'm not completely sure, but the 4G might be affected by the frequency scaling bug.
22:45:52bluebrotherno, I don't believe this is necessary.
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22:47:13bluebrotherif it still crashes try a build with frequency scaling disabled. Found one here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0
22:47:24bluebrother(no idea how outdated that build is, haven't checked)
22:47:38etedoralright. thanks
22:47:39scoateswill the USBOTG project support native disk mode (ie, I'll be able to plug it in, and it won't reboot)?
22:48:02bluebrotherscoates, usbotg is "the other way round"
22:48:09peturthat's the idea
22:48:36scoateshrm.. thought that might encompass USB disk support, too.
22:48:42peturas a mather of fact, usbotg is an extension of usb where both sides can request to become host
22:48:46scoatesare there plans to support disk, within rockbox?
22:48:47bluebrotherusbotg is for acting as usb host. Acting as usb slave (i.e. no more rebooting for disk mode) might be similar
22:48:48scoates(usb disk)
22:49:03scoatesright (-:
22:49:45peturbluebrother: the idea is to have an usb stack that can do host and slave
22:49:51bluebrotherpetur, but doesn't usbotg require special hardware (i.e. some chip that can also do master?)
22:49:58peturyes
22:50:01scoates... if I was somehow able to write to the disk, while rockbox is running, I could write a plugin that reads a specific file at $someInterval, and renders the contents.. that would give me my feature (-:
22:50:06bluebrothersure, a stack that can do both would be the best.
22:50:44scoatesbluebrother: doesn't the ipod already have this capability in the apple firmware (albeit limited) for, eg, the camera?
22:50:56amiconnpetur: If you commit your wav viewer, just make sure that it won't become the default, at least for hwcodec
22:51:03peturif we get an usb stack, it should be written so we can do both. We can start with host or slave only, but not limitted to only host or slave
22:51:10amiconnYou know, there already is a wav "viewer", wavplay.rock
22:51:13etedorahhh thanks bluebrother. it works :)
22:51:24bluebrotherscoates, I believe the camera is connected differently. But I might be wrong.
22:51:32scoatesI don't know (-:
22:51:35peturamiconn: how do you set a viewer as default?
22:52:03bluebrotherthe ipod has a serial interface at the dock connector, and the ipl wiki has some information about transferring images using that bus
22:52:24bluebrotherwhich leads me to the assumption the camera is using that protocol
22:53:12amiconnHmm, good question. I think it's just the one that appears first in viewers.config (on target)
22:53:21scoatesthat could be. I wonder if it would be possible to create (e.g., again) /dev/ttyS0 (or whatever) when the ipod is booted but not in disk mode
22:53:39peturamiconn: should be fine then
22:53:41scoates(on the host, I mean)
22:53:45bluebrotheryou can access that serial port with ipl and an adapter cable
22:53:59*petur still has some cleaning up and commenting to do
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22:56:34amiconnbluebrother: Since when?
22:56:47amiconnAfaik ipl has serial working for pp5002 only
22:56:57bluebrotherthe ipl wiki has information about that.
22:57:05bluebrotherreally? Oh, maybe I missed that fact.
22:57:17peturis there a wiki page with an overview of stack/heap space for plugins on different targets? I recall not all targets reserving the same amount for plugins, but maybe all HAVE_LCD_BITMAP targets have the same amount?
22:57:33amiconnnope
22:57:36amiconnSurely not
22:57:59amiconnPlugin RAM is 32KB for archos, 64KB for iFP and 512KB for all others
22:58:48amiconnPlugin IRAM is either 48KB or 64KB, only on ipods, iriver H1xx/H300 and iAudio, shared with codec IRAM
22:59:07amiconnStack is the main stack, shared and same size for all targets (8KB iirc)
22:59:30peturthnx
22:59:36amiconnGigabeat and archos have no plugin iram
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23:00:18scoatesbluebrother: thanks for the info
23:00:25amiconnMeh, forgot other PP targets like H10 and Sansa. Those have plugin iram too
23:01:12*amiconn guesses a waveform viewer doesn't need very much ram
23:02:36peturI use all audio buffer to store as much peak info as possible, just need some temp buffers when reading the file
23:03:16peturit's bloody slow on target btw, 9 minutes to read a 50 minute WAV recording - will need some optimizing
23:03:20amiconnOh, no waveform viewing while listening to music?
23:03:44peturyou can see the whole waveform on one screen
23:03:57peturand then zoom in/out and pan around
23:04:14amiconnThe 9 minutes are on H300?
23:04:18peturyes
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23:04:38*amiconn is curious how long it will take on archos
23:04:55*petur is curious about gigabeat
23:05:04amiconnbah, gigabeat is boring
23:05:08peturhehe
23:05:15perl|workheh]
23:05:41amiconnVirtually no need for optimisation
23:06:40*amiconn thinks iFP is much more challenging
23:07:14amiconnAchieve realtime audio decoding on 60MHz *single core* ARM, with just 1MB RAM
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23:15:24Bagdernew build works fine now at least
23:15:31Bagderbuild server even
23:15:43amiconnQuite fast even
23:15:56amiconnIt seems to me that all build servers get slower over time
23:16:14scorcheBagder: was there a question you wanted to ask leslie (GSoC main person)...she is active in IRC
23:16:18amiconnMaybe a filesystem thing, or perhaps ccache
23:16:20petursome windows effect
23:16:35Bagderthis new box is a 2.8GHZ dual core athlon64
23:17:00amiconnDisk speed is obviously important as well
23:17:28amiconnMine is just a 2.4GHz single core athlon64, but it's not twice as slow
23:17:41Bagdertrue, 4GB of DDR2 800MHz memory and 1000GB SATA2 disks...
23:18:12*amiconn wonders who needs 1000GB ;)
23:18:35BagderI'll use one of the disks for backups of the other one
23:18:47scorches/1000GB/10000 RPM ;)
23:19:11*petur stops drooling and gets on with whatever he was doing
23:19:20Bagderyeah, these disks are not the fastest disks around actually
23:19:47*amiconn just has a 2x160GB sata raid1 set
23:19:57amiconnLinux software raid
23:20:28Bagderand this box is on a mere 1mbit upload adsl link
23:20:43amiconnHehe, 'mere'
23:21:41peturonly 256K here :(
23:22:23amiconn384K here
23:23:10Bagderwell, I have ~15mbit download
23:23:45qwedsado you life in sweden:?
23:23:49Bagderyes
23:23:53qwedsanice :P
23:24:12Bagderand yes, the ground was covered with snow this moring! ;-O
23:24:18Bagdermorning even
23:24:19qwedsaeven nicer :P
23:24:32qwedsahere in The Nederlands no snow :(
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23:25:38pixelmaBagder: what's this sentence supposed to say... "The the very latest sources off the SVN server (or possibly get a recent source code tarball)." ? (I see that it's been the same way before... still I don't get it)
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23:25:59pixelma(in your latest commit)
23:26:04Bagderoh
23:26:16Bagders/The the/Get the/
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23:26:38*petur wonders where '_little_endian_to_native' is used in plugin_start - get a link error on it :(
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23:27:46amiconnpetur: Forgot an rb-> somewhere?
23:28:00stripwaxHm, looks like the wps scroll patch breaks updates of the time remaining info .. ! I'll see if I can quickly figure out why
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23:33:40Bagderscoates: I don't think I have any particular question, no
23:33:45Bagderscorche even
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23:34:31scorcheah...alright
23:34:45scorchejust checking when she is here =)
23:35:02Bagderwe still seem to be marked for three students
23:35:17scorcheyeah =(
23:35:23linuxstbDo we know if that's the final allocation yet? Are students still due to be informed on the 11th?
23:35:32scorchei dont think they will change it until the final allocation
23:35:46LloreanGoogle hasn't responded to my email beyond the initial one-line response
23:36:09guitarfreak211hello...how do i install a patch for doom on my sansa?
23:36:54Lloreanguitarfreak211: For patching Rockbox, see the instructions for how to compile.
23:37:21guitarfreak211oh, ok
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