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#rockbox log for 2007-04-14

00:00:14Bagdernow unregret! ;-)
00:00:50 Join eggy [0] (n=eggy@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/yorkcc.eggy)
00:01:10linuxstb_There's still the PP5002...
00:01:35linuxstb_I wonder how many seconds per frame the 3g needs...
00:01:39amiconnTaking the function out of iram increases boost ratio by 1%
00:02:23amiconn(49%->50%, same album of course)
00:02:54linuxstb_Sounds like the real solution will be to build libmad separately for mpegplayer - we'll probably want to start using IRAM for libmpeg2 anyway, balancing it with libmad.
00:03:27preglowoh yes
00:03:32preglowfor sure
00:03:33amiconntrue
00:03:43amiconn...and perhaps also differencing by target
00:03:48preglowbut cmon, you've gotta have loadable codecs :>
00:04:01amiconnMini G2 and Sansa can use more iram than the other pp targets
00:04:12*preglow jumps behind a rock
00:04:20amiconn?
00:04:26*amiconn doesn't understand
00:04:40amiconnWhat does that have to do with iram usage
00:04:41amiconn?
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00:05:10preglowjust the fact that balancing iram usage between every codec and libmpeg2 will be hell
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00:05:19amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm, couldn't we use the same technique as for main codec and voice codec in mpegplayer?
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00:05:57linuxstb_On single core targets, yes. But I don't think it makes sense on PP.
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00:09:15amiconnjhMikeS: The .h files in target tree should always be named *-target.h
00:09:28amiconn(referring to the one for gigabeat)
00:10:28amiconnIf there is more than one xyz-target.h in the path for a target, the more specific one will be used
00:11:19jhMikeSthe problem is the duplication with holding that rule holy
00:11:53amiconnAnd not all PPs are register compatible, only the PP502x ones are. The PP5002 is different
00:12:01jhMikeSit means I have to duplicate stuff that's shared at multiple levels
00:12:24amiconnYes, some duplication happens in target tree
00:12:44jhMikeSurgh...so much easier to have a master file and a specific file
00:13:09amiconnStill better than excessive ifdefing...
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00:14:51jhMikeSwhat's considered excessive? there's hardly any and it could be limited to just the more specific header actually
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00:16:03preglowduplication is one of the worst things, imho
00:16:10preglowit should be avoided by all means
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00:16:40preglowjhMikeS: any work on the low latency dsp stuff, btw?
00:17:25*linuxstb_ works on build libmad separately for mpegplayer
00:17:32linuxstb_^building
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00:19:54jhMikeSpreglow: yes...did some. working this mpegplayer thing may give me more ideas about it
00:20:35MxxConhey folks is there any major features missing from toshiba gigabeat F firmware?
00:20:45preglowjhMikeS: no rush, just wondering if you had any more great ideas, heh
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00:21:55jhMikeSI mean if I can't convince anyone to refine how target/ works in order to avoid pasting in identical routines that can be used on all the cpus in a particular cpu branch, then, ok but imho it's a bit more of a maintenence nightmare than just including a more specific file within the target header.
00:22:01LloreanMxxCon: Rockbox works pretty much identically across all players, except where either the hardware doesn't allow it or we don't have a driver for a piece of hardware yet.
00:22:02markunMxxCon: the original firmware or rockbox?
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00:22:07markunand in what way missing?
00:22:20MxxConrockbox missing vs original
00:22:27markunMxxCon: WMA
00:22:38MxxCongood, don't care for that ;)
00:22:44amiconnjhMikeS: You could do it the other way round, then the names included from outside target tree would be fixed
00:23:07markunand transfering files from a USB stick / camera without a computer doesn't work either
00:23:37amiconnI.e. call the most specific file xyz-target.h, and let it e.g. include a more general xyz-arm.h
00:23:53MxxConmarkun, how likely is that to be implemented in the future?
00:24:12markunMxxCon: the interface looks less polished at first sight, but overall rockbox is way better if I may say so
00:24:13jhMikeSamiconn: true...isn't that just semantics? :)
00:24:19markunMxxCon: quite likely
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00:24:34markunas someone is being payed this summer to write a USB stack for rockbox
00:24:39amiconnjhMikeS: No, it saves ifdefing #include statements
00:24:58jhMikeSif that will be satisfactory then yeah, why not...and true it does that
00:25:01MxxCongoogle summer of code?
00:25:06markunyes
00:25:12MxxConnice
00:25:15amiconnOne specific file would always include the same more general one, so no ifdefing, and the firmware code outside target tree would always include the -target version, so no ifdefing here as well
00:25:19markunMxxCon: why are you asking all this? Are you planning to buy a Gigabeat?
00:25:25MxxConindeed
00:25:34MxxConofficedepot has 40gig model for $90
00:25:45markunI think they are sold out
00:25:46jhMikeSyeah, that is better...doh...shoulda thought of it myself! :P
00:25:56markun4000 players in 1 day I was told
00:25:57l2eM1x40 gig gigabeat for 90$$$?!?!
00:26:08MxxConhttp://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=734578&Ntt=toshiba%20gigabeat&uniqueSearchFlag=true&An=text
00:26:14markunl2eM1x: yes, but you are too late :)
00:26:21MxxConshows in stock here..
00:26:23jhMikeSok, easy shuffle around to do
00:26:28markunMxxCon: try to order onw
00:26:37markunthen they are not in stock anymore
00:26:38l2eM1xis there a known bug with uisimulator that the lines are not accurate to the actual player
00:26:42MxxCondang
00:26:48MxxCon:(
00:26:49amiconnjhMikeS: Heh, I didn't have that idea earlier either; there are probably some places in target/sh/archos/ and target/coldfire/ where duplication could be reduced
00:26:55markunor maybe they are, try it
00:26:59MxxConnope
00:27:14markunit would be nice if they found another 4000 somewhere :)
00:27:19Lloreanmarkun: They aren't only not in stock, but if you ordered one while they were, chances are your order won't be filled.
00:27:27markunwow
00:27:29toffe82I have one to sell :)
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00:27:40LloreanI ordered one wed, and they just left it in "processing" until I called and found out that they weren't *ever* going to be able to ship it (according to them)
00:27:57markunincredible that a out-of-production DAP which was never very popular sells so well now..
00:28:00LloreanOf course, they couldn't just cancel the order and send a polite email, I had to call and find out manually.
00:28:15*Llorean wanted another 40gb of storage, and wouldn't have minded it with a screen.
00:28:15Bagdermarkun: at 90USD I'm not surprised
00:28:17grndslmtons of people are complaining on head-fi.org today that they will not be receiving their gigabeat! :-(
00:28:29markunBagder: true :)
00:28:34jhMikeSanother thing id like to know is if the PP bootloaders depend in any way could depend on the cpu core array order in the scheduler in the rb core
00:28:35toffe82nobody want to buy mine ;)
00:28:40grndslmnope
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00:28:44grndslmis it new?
00:28:51toffe82loks new
00:28:55toffe82looks
00:28:58markuntoffe82: I want to buy one of your X60s :)
00:29:03grndslmhah...no gracias, i don't trust hard drives as it is...
00:29:05toffe82:)
00:29:05markunwhen you finally get them
00:29:24MxxConoh, maybe you guys can help me w/ my other mp3 player?
00:29:25*jhMikeS 's toffe82 special is chugging along just fine :)
00:29:42MxxConit's one of those no-name chinese "mp4" players..
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00:29:59markunMxxCon: help you in what way?
00:30:00grndslmoh...how is the sound quality on those, btw?
00:30:02toffe82hard dirve is like everything else can work one day or 10 years
00:30:19MxxConfind out who made it and possibly fix some bugs? :)
00:30:21grndslmi want one of those mp4 8gb nano ripoffs...if they sound ok of course
00:30:34MxxConthis one looks more like a camera..
00:30:54LloreanThis isn't really the channel for discussing non-Rockbox related devices.
00:30:55grndslmhmm...does it sound good?
00:31:16LloreanMost of the people working on the various chinese knockoffs seem to center around the s1mp3 project
00:31:21MxxConi'd love rockbox to be compatible w/ that device :)
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00:31:36LloreanMxxCon: Feel free to start working on it then.
00:31:45LloreanPorts happen when those who want it, do it. :)
00:31:53MxxConit has a cellphone quality camera, fm radio, can record/playback video, has video out, even lyrics support
00:32:26MxxConbut bloody thing doesn't support directories and shows only unsorted 8.3 filenames
00:34:29grndslmMxxCon: and the sound quality?
00:34:30kkurbjuntoffe82, do you have any black shell for the gigabeat that you want to sell? I want to convert my silver case to a half silver, half black.
00:34:50MxxConbarely acceptable
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00:35:05grndslmwow...what else did i expect to hear?
00:35:10Lloreangrndslm, MxxCon: Seriously, if you're not actually planning on working on this, and just discussing players, you can take it to PM.
00:35:10MxxConhehe
00:35:18grndslmi just had one question
00:35:26grndslmno mas, senor!
00:36:17toffe82kkurbjun: I have to check , I might have one but I am not sure of the transparent windows , if there are scratch or not
00:36:39kkurbjuncan you move the window with the rest of the internals?
00:36:51toffe82kkurbjun: ?
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00:37:47kkurbjunyou said the window may be scratched right? Is it fixed to the shell, or can I pull it off my silver case and put it on the black? Looking at it I'm guessing it's glued though
00:37:51toffe82kkurbjun: the front case is in 2 parts, the outside frame and the inside which is glued with double face tape
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00:39:38toffe82kkurbjun: I have to check but on some model (F10) the windows cover all the inside and on the F20 and F40 , the window is just the size of the lcd
00:40:25toffe82kkurbjun: perhaps I misunderstand, you want to change the outside or the inside
00:40:26kkurbjunahh, I didn't realize. Well let me know if you have a case that you can/will part with. I'd be interested.
00:40:32kkurbjunthe outside
00:41:10kkurbjunso the outside front face, the sides, top and bottom that are sliver to black
00:41:19toffe82kkurbjun: just the top case or the side also, the back doesn't exist for the F40 in black
00:41:41toffe82kkurbjun: do you want a black croos too ?
00:41:47toffe82cross^^
00:41:52markuntoffe82: which colour is the X60?
00:42:10toffe82black I think
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00:42:16kkurbjunas I understand you can't fit the back.. yes, the cross would be nice. with the black sides fit?
00:42:31toffe82yes
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00:42:57kkurbjunok, that's what I'm interested in doing, top, bottom, sides and front with the cross if possible
00:43:13kkurbjunIf not I may just buy a broken one on ebay
00:43:13toffe82you have a F40 ?
00:43:16markuntoffe82's pimp my DAP shop
00:43:22kkurbjun: )
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00:43:23toffe82:)
00:43:28kkurbjunyes, I have an F40
00:43:41toffe82so you have to keep the silver back
00:45:05toffe82kkurbjun: I will ook tonight, but the main problem will bet the top and bottom clip, I often get then broken so I don't know now
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00:47:28kkurbjuntoffe82, thanks for checking, if you hav ethparts it would be great, otherwise I may just buy a broken one on ebay
00:47:48kkurbjungood luck on that X by the way
00:48:25toffe821 1/2 hour to go ;)
00:48:33toffe82I still win
00:48:53kkurbjun:)
00:50:54kkurbjuntoffe82, if you find that you have the parts tonight email me and let me know. I will have access to email, but it's unlikely that I'll be on freenode.
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00:51:52*jhMikeS wonders why there's no x5 parts broker around here
00:52:41toffe82kkurbjun: ok
00:55:36markunWow, a pretty sick DAP from Cowon: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/04/cowon-q5-pmp-packed-with-connectivity.php
00:55:57jhMikeS>:[
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01:00:02markunwell, not really a DAP
01:00:11linuxstb_I was about to say that...
01:01:18linuxstb_A 5" 800x600 screen with Windows CE is hardly a DAP.
01:01:28linuxstb_Sorry, 800x480.
01:01:32jhMikeSwell, it's Cowon anyway :_|
01:01:32markunindeed not
01:01:46LloreanIt's basically a PDA with an HD.
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01:04:54DerPapstlinuxstb: would a −−fix-checksum option useful for ipodpatcher (useful if e.g. the firmware gets hexedited or something like that)
01:05:15DerPapst*be useful
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01:06:40linuxstb_Why would a firmware get hex edited? But I guess it wouldn't hurt...
01:09:21DerPapstfor various reasons ;) e.g. string replacement or ... other stuff... ;-) Actually i've made one and it worked for me. but i'm pretty sure it's not very... accurate (don't know a better word)
01:10:17***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:10:19DerPapstif you are interested in it i can make a patch.
01:10:26linuxstb_Can't you just do something like read-firmware-binary followed by write-firmware-binary ?
01:10:57LloreanCouldn't the editing program (I assume iPodWizard) rewrite the checksum?
01:11:06DerPapstmmhh... not tired.
01:11:26DerPapsti've not used iPodWizard.
01:11:28linuxstb_ipodpatcher's main focus is installing Rockbox, so I'm not "interested" in it as such. But I don't mind comitting patches like that - as long as they don't interefere with the core purpose.
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01:12:07DerPapsttrue. i just thought i ask you about it.
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01:13:44linuxstb_The read/write binary options don't include a checksum, so ipodpatcher will calculate a checksum when you write the modified firmware back. It's possibly missing the read-firmware-binary option though.
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01:16:51DerPapstyeah.. -rf doesn't include that checksum either doesn't it?
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01:18:23linuxstb_rf will include the Rockbox ".ipod" header - with a checksum.
01:18:31linuxstb_So an rfb option could be added...
01:19:26DerPapstbut -rf only includes the checksum in the .ipod header not the one the apple bootloader checks in the first place
01:20:48linuxstb_Yes. But ipodpatcher will create the apple-format checksum when writing the firmware back.
01:21:05DerPapstok. then i understood it correctly :)
01:22:08kkurbjunmarkun, did you comment this disassembly?
01:22:21kkurbjunthat you linked to me earlier?
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01:23:18DerPapstlinuxstb: are you going to implement -rfb? if not i could do it and then send you the patch. but is so it'll take a few days (not much time the next 4 days)
01:23:37DerPapsts/is/if
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01:25:21linuxstb_DerPapst: Yes, just testing it now...
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01:27:15DerPapstok :)
01:28:37linuxstb_Committed.
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01:29:39DerPapstcool :D
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01:41:17amiconnThe old-menu wrapper has a one-off bug somewhere
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01:41:32amiconnIt's clearly noticeable in the debug menu (which uses the old system in svn)
01:41:48amiconns/one-off/off by one/
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01:44:57DerPapstlinuxstb: this is my (now a little obsolete) −−fix-checksum patch. i case you might want to look at it. http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/iPL/Loader/ipodpatcher/fix-chksum.diff
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01:56:17linuxstb_DerPapst: Thanks, but I don't think it's useful enough to commit.
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02:02:51DerPapstok
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02:03:28austriancodersome sansa owner here?
02:04:09Lloreanaustriancoder: Yes
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02:04:39austriancoderLlorean: time to test a little patch?
02:04:46Lloreanaustriancoder: Sure
02:06:41linuxstb_USB support? :)
02:07:00Llorean"get_it__louder_try"
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02:07:54Lloreanaustriancoder: Booting vmware now, it's a bit slow as I'm very multitasking at the moment
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02:08:32austriancoderLlorean: i haved changed the way we set the volume. Headphone vol is set to a default and we regulate now dac volume, because it has a bigger gain value
02:08:37austriancoderLlorean: i have time :)
02:09:29austriancoderLlorean: oh.. and there are some parts of not working recording in the patch - I was too lazy to remove this stuff
02:10:47austriancodercan somebody name a tool for linux to compare the sounds of two firmwares?
02:12:01Lloreanaustriancoder: Is there a version of RMAA for Linux?
02:12:30austriancoderRMAA... never heard of it.. will google it
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02:16:50saratogaRMAA would probably run under wine, at least well enough to use it to compare prerecorded files
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02:27:00Lloreanaustriancoder: It's louder, but there are some problems with it. There's sorta a tinny quality to the sound, I'm not sure about. And the volume adjustment only seems to affect the right channel.
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02:27:58Lloreanaustriancoder: But it sounds quite close to the volume levels on my Gigabeat.
02:28:07LloreanAnd I'm not 100% sure about the tinniness, it may just be this song.
02:29:08austriancoderLlorean: cool :) RMAA shows that both channels are changed..
02:29:16LloreanHm, no, theres definitely some issues.
02:29:28LloreanWell, I'm not hearing increased volume in my left ear.
02:29:59austriancoderhmm.. i have no headphones at the moment..
02:30:06*austriancoder is searching
02:30:14LloreanLet me try an official build on it
02:30:26Lloreanmake sure my Sansa hasn't just given up
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02:33:11Lloreanaustriancoder: Yes, reverting back to SVN the problem with it being in just one ear is gone.
02:33:19LloreanLet me revert back to your build again, just to be sure.
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02:35:57Lloreanaustriancoder: Okay, now it's adjusting both ears fine.
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02:36:29Lloreanaustriancoder: The Sansas seem to have some issues across reboots that are quite odd occasionally
02:37:15austriancoderLlorean: shall i commit my changes?
02:37:15LloreanIt's still quite a bit quieter than the Gigabeat, but other than that sounds fine.
02:37:28LloreanAnd it's definitely louder than it was before
02:38:58LloreanI think as long as you call it an improvement, so it's clear it might not quite be done yet, yeah, I'd say this makes the Sansa a lot more listenable (for me at least)
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02:40:00austriancoderLater we can commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6908 mybe
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02:42:38Lloreanaustriancoder: That one seems to work well for me, though I didn't experience the audio glitches during my brief test with your patch.
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02:43:29austriancoderLlorean: but some channel switching?!
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02:46:48NeedHelpWithSanshi
02:46:55NeedHelpWithSanshello?
02:47:09NeedHelpWithSanscan anyone help me?
02:47:24saratogaonce you ask a question, maybe
02:47:37NeedHelpWithSansokay
02:47:51NeedHelpWithSansi want to install rockbox onto my sansa e270
02:47:57NeedHelpWithSanscan you help me?
02:48:19linuxstb_What's the problem?
02:48:25NeedHelpWithSansi dont know howw
02:48:38saratogayou should read the manual until you do know how
02:48:49Lloreanaustriancoder: I'm not sure what caused that. But I guess that patch could probably help
02:48:58NeedHelpWithSanscould you tell me where it is
02:49:01Hammer89http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
02:49:13linuxstb_NeedHelpWithSans: Go to http://www.rockbox.org then click on the manual link on the left.
02:49:13NeedHelpWithSanscool thanks
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03:03:50courtcHello fellow persons.
03:04:01capo327hello
03:04:09austriancoderhi
03:04:18courtcIs this patch correct? http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/iPL/Loader/ipodloader2.patch
03:04:57Lloreancourtc: That patch has nothing to do with Rockbox.
03:05:18LloreanIt's for loader2, so you should be asking them about whether it's correct for their software
03:05:18courtcSure it does.
03:05:23LloreanIt's just loading Rockbox.
03:05:27LloreanBut it's a patch for non-Rockbox software.
03:05:34courtcThanks, but I would be the one applying the patch.
03:05:50LloreanIf you mean "is it looking in the right place", well, yes, /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod is where your binary should be now.
03:06:06courtcThat's what I needed to know, thanks.
03:06:15NeedHelpWithSansive installed rockbox onto my sansa
03:06:25LloreanAnd you didn't know that from simply looking at the contents of the latest rockbox.zip?
03:06:26NeedHelpWithSanshow do i load music and stuff onto it
03:06:34LloreanNeedHelpWithSans: Please try reading the manual some more.
03:06:37courtcDerPapst brought it to my attention. I was just verifying.
03:06:46linuxstb_courtc: Yes, that patch looks fine to me.
03:06:57courtcShould it also be backwards compatible?
03:07:36linuxstb_The Rockbox bootloader looks in .rockbox first, and then the root, so you could do the same to be consistent.
03:08:01courtcSounds good, will do.
03:08:05courtcThanks.
03:08:07linuxstb_But all new rockbox builds come with the rockbox.ipod file inside the .rockbox folder.
03:08:19courtcAlright.
03:10:11LloreanWTF
03:10:14LloreanMy Gigabeat just shipped
03:10:19LloreanThe order that they "cancelled"
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03:10:42linuxstb_courtc: Are you planning a new official release of loader? It's been a while since 2.4.
03:10:49linuxstb_^loader2
03:11:30courtcslowcoder and Tempel have pretty much dropped development as of recently.
03:12:50courtcI'm working on a iPod OS of my own, so I may be able to contribute some fixes back to loader2. I found a couple minro bugs in it and the iPL kernel.
03:13:32linuxstb_Why another OS? Just for the fun of it?
03:13:38courtcNot really sure in which direction ipodloader2 is aimed though..
03:14:29linuxstb_From what I can tell, it's just been bugfixes since 2.4, plus 2048-byte sector support.
03:14:41courtclinuxstb_: Well, as a learning process, debugging, and an attempt to optimize lcd output−−right now it's fairly slow.
03:14:52linuxstb_I'm not sure what more you can add to a bootloader...
03:15:00courtcExactly.
03:15:38linuxstb_Which ipod(s) are you working on?
03:16:17courtcphoto currently, for debugging purposes.
03:17:41courtcOnce I get it more useful, all color ipods.
03:18:44austriancodertime to go to bed.. god night all
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03:48:01webguest15my pc wont reconize my device
03:49:15webguest15can anyone help?
03:50:17LloreanWhat device?
03:50:57grndslmLlorean: let's say I did wanna start working on e200 support...what would i need to know C & how to write device drivers? what kinda cable would I need to tinker with it? (i am new to programming, but I could try and hack it)
03:51:23Lloreangrndslm: You would need to know C and probably some lower level stuff as well.
03:51:47grndslmLlorean: any pointers to this type of lower level stuff?
03:51:59LloreanAnd you'd probably need to splice a USB cable for your device to a USB keyboard or make a generic USB adapter.
03:52:27webguest15sansa e260
03:52:36Lloreangrndslm: Start small. Trying to tackle something like getting the serial port or USB working up front is probably way too big.
03:52:44Lloreanwebguest15: USB only works in the original firmware, boot into that
03:52:53webguest15oh okay
03:52:56webguest15thanks
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04:13:26webguest84where can i download plugins for rockbox?
04:14:25webguest84for the e200's
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04:14:40Lloreanwebguest84: It comes with all the official ones.
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04:20:24webguest84what do you mean?
04:21:12BHSPitMonkeyit comes with basically all of the plugins you can get.
04:21:14InsectoidThe plugins that come with Rockbox are probably the only really working ones −− at least I don't know of any others.
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04:21:26BHSPitMonkeythere are very few out there that don't ship with rockbox.
04:21:44BHSPitMonkey(and they're generally not worth having)
04:21:54TrueJournalsThe only thing I've seen is the improvements inside FS...
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04:24:07premier_hello, I'm trying to install rockbox on my system which already has ipodlinux and loader 2. I was told I could just extract the files and loader 2 would pick them up, but it doesnt work
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04:24:45Insectoidpremier_: Ipodpatcher installs the bootloader. Just use the link I gave you, the bootloader is integrated.
04:25:14premier_Insectoid: what if I want to keep loader 2?
04:26:56InsectoidWell I know nothing of iPL so ... yeah.
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04:32:01TrueJournalsArgg... still having trouble with the loadable icons patch
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04:54:39BHSPitMonkeypremier_, when rockbox.ipod is in your fat partition's root, it should Just Work and get added to your loader2 menu.
04:54:44BHSPitMonkeyDoes it not?\
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04:57:19BHSPitMonkeyhow did the talks with AMS ever pan out?
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05:01:34scorcheBHSPitMonkey: we have sound on sansa ;)
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05:02:29BHSPitMonkeycool
05:02:45BHSPitMonkeyI only just got around to reading the wikipage on those talks
05:02:56BHSPitMonkeyit's really cool.
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05:53:40Camhey can someone help me out with WPS?
05:54:03CamCan someone help me out with WPS
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06:16:29Vic-ViperJust discovered RockBox 30 minutes ago. Read the manuals, forums, etc. Noticed that it had a SNES music player. Any other formats supported? Looking for .MOD / Tracker, and other game systems.
06:17:01Vic-ViperI will be using this on my Ipod Nano 1stGen
06:17:38safetydanVic-Viper: nsf, spc, and sid are it at the moment for game formats. There is a patch for mod playback but I've no idea how well that works at the moment.
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06:20:19Vic-Vipersounds great, thanks for the quick reply
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06:45:07InsectoidI am a blind iPod user and I am curious as to how much battery power the backlight uses/would I gain any advantages from disabling it?
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06:50:05INFAMOUS=/ 80gb ipod no go
06:50:06INFAMOUS=(
06:50:28Vic-Vipersame for nano, its plugged in, but not charging
06:50:31Vic-Vipernothing on screen
06:53:15INFAMOUSi just got this 80 gig
06:54:00LloreanVic-Viper: Try turning hold on then off again, then holding Menu+Select
06:54:32LloreanVic-Viper: The Nanos (all iPods really, but the Nanos show it the most) occasionally don't like to come back from power down. It happens in the retail firmware too, but since the retail firmware doesn't power fully down until you leave it for like 2 days, you don't see the problem as often.
06:54:43Vic-Viperah
06:54:45Vic-Viperworks now
06:54:46Vic-Viperthanks
06:54:51Vic-Vipertrying to setup a dual boot :/
06:55:16LloreanIf you've installed Rockbox, you have a dual boot...
06:55:22Vic-Viperoh?
06:55:27Vic-Viperits installed and running
06:55:30LloreanTurn it off
06:55:37LloreanThen turn it on, and immediately flip on the hold switch
06:56:34Vic-Vipernice
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07:02:52Vic-ViperThere, got it dual booting via the linux loader so I get a pretty menu at startup
07:03:19aliaskInsectoid: I would suggest turning it off, as I have done. I would guess that it adds at least an hour to playback.
07:04:13InsectoidAliask: just take out the #define from firmware/export/ipodvideo.h?
07:05:07aliaskOh, you mean completely removing the backlight code. This might actually leave the backlight permanently on...
07:05:30InsectoidThat's probably not what I'm looking to do :( −− What did you do to disable it?
07:05:40aliaskI set backlight time to 0
07:05:47InsectoidAh... That's rather easier.
07:06:31aliaskPerhaps a small boost in battery life could be gained by switching the LCD off completely, but I'm not sure how much power it takes. Or how to actualy do this.
07:07:06InsectoidThat's just asking for trouble if I break the thing with my tinkering and need someone to tell me what it says.
07:07:20aliaskYes, a valid point.
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07:20:13Vic-Viperthink I just locked Rockbox by trying to play a SNES song :p
07:21:37Vic-Viperthere it goes
07:21:39Vic-Vipermuch better
07:23:44Vic-Viperthis kicks ass! Any support for 2nd Gen Nanos yet? My bud would love this.
07:24:04BHSPitMonkeyVic-Viper, nope
07:24:45Vic-Viperoh well, too bad for him. Time to load some SID music
07:25:12BHSPitMonkeyhcs did good on the chiptune players
07:26:27Vic-Viperno kidding, its spot on. My friend owns a real sid station. I cheaped out and got the MIDI_NES instead
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07:51:27l2eM1xhow can i look up bug reports for the uisimulator?
07:51:59aliaskl2eM1x: What do you mean?
07:52:13l2eM1xfor example in uisimulator for sansa i am testing a WPS
07:52:25l2eM1xi create the WPS it looks great−−everything is positioned
07:52:30l2eM1xput it on my sansa
07:52:32l2eM1xthe lines are off
07:52:35l2eM1xits way different
07:52:46aliaskDid you build the simulator yourself?
07:52:47l2eM1xthe pictures etc are correctly placed
07:52:52l2eM1xno
07:53:03aliaskYou might be running and old version of the sim
07:53:03l2eM1xI cant get a rockbox build environment to work
07:53:14l2eM1xi just downloaded it today−−but i suppose its possible
07:53:24l2eM1xi doubt it gets updated much
07:53:27l2eM1xlemme find the version
07:53:31scorchel2eM1x: did you also put the fonts pack on the device?
07:54:11l2eM1xyes the fonts are on my sansa
07:54:27l2eM1xactually
07:54:29l2eM1xnow that you mention it
07:54:33l2eM1xi should check that
07:55:10l2eM1xyes the fonts are on my sansa
07:55:54l2eM1xbut look at that
07:56:00l2eM1xthey arent on my simulator
07:56:01l2eM1xyour amazing
07:56:16*scorche deletes his inquiry to that effect
07:56:29l2eM1xgoddamn im stupid
07:56:52l2eM1xwaht is the default font?
07:56:56scorcheon a side note, please type in one line when you can
07:56:56l2eM1xit looked good with it
07:57:08l2eM1xsorry yeah thats really obnoxious now that I look at it
07:57:19scorcherockbox_default.fnt ;)
07:57:31l2eM1xwell that would just make sense now wouldnt it :P
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08:01:28*l2eM1x wondering why my sansa screen just turned bright red
08:02:20scorchedid you try and flirt with its girl?
08:02:38l2eM1xyeah she was cute
08:02:49scorchethat would do it
08:03:26l2eM1xyour so smart
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11:49:38JdGordonis there a midkay in the hourse?
11:49:47midkaythere is.. what's up?
11:50:37JdGordonnm... just wondering if you can come up wth a 6x8x1 icon for supported files that havnt got a icon set?
11:51:21midkaywhat? a single generic icon?
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11:51:26JdGordonyeah
11:51:46JdGordonor is showing no icon good for that?
11:51:59midkaywell, any thoughts? hmm...
11:52:15amiconnOn charcell we use that mirrored question mark
11:53:07amiconn(currently for all supported files because there isn't a way yet to dynamically define icons)
11:53:19amiconnFor dynamically supported files I mean
11:53:41midkayjust a small X is all i can really think of... midkay.net/hmm.bmp">http://www.midkay.net/hmm.bmp
11:53:42amiconnJdGordon: Do we have a 4-gray icon set yet?
11:53:53JdGordondont think so
11:54:35amiconnDid you see my latest remarks regarding charcell and dynamic icons btw?
11:54:52JdGordonin irc? unless i was highlighted i didnt
11:55:25amiconnI think that the best way will be to implement a (limited) bmp loader for charcell, so that the viewers.config mechanism will be the same
11:55:32JdGordonwe definatly want the viewer icons sepearate from the inbuilts?
11:55:36amiconnyes
11:55:57amiconnThe loader would only load 1-bit BMPs, and onl 7 pixels wide ones
11:56:04amiconnErm, 5 pixels
11:56:08JdGordonsounds ok
11:57:20JdGordonhow about using the text version that viewer.config uses now?
11:57:38JdGordonbmp is easier to fiddle with though
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12:01:34amiconnUsing the text version makes it harder to maintain viewers.config
12:01:46amiconnOtoh this doesn't apply to too many viewers...
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12:05:22*JdGordon remembers why he put viewers on the ned of the builtin bmp.... they are a massive PITA as a seperate bmp
12:07:43amiconn?
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12:08:15amiconnJust use some flag bit to distinguish fixed/variable icons...
12:08:56amiconnOr check like this if (icon > LAST_BUILTIN_ICON) ...
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12:12:11amiconnOn a related note, I think we don't need those .bmp context items for icons. Setting themable icons exclusively from .cfg should be ok. WPS bitmaps are also only loadable from .wps files
12:12:52amiconnWith more and more theming stuff coming, all those set as... items will clutter the context menu and confuse the user
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12:14:14amiconnAnd the icon width and height setting is unnesssary if the icon strip bitmaps follow a naming convention that encodes width and height in the filename
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12:17:48PaulJamcan i compile a simulator that runs under windows with linux?
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12:27:48JdGordonamiconn: yeah, you said that yerstarday and i agree
12:27:55JdGordonPaulJam: yep
12:28:05JdGordonlook for crosscompile sdl for windows
12:28:39JdGordonamiconn: the loading the viewer icons into a buffer is the had part, vieweing is simple
12:28:47JdGordons/hard/complicated
12:29:07amiconnWhy?
12:29:17amiconnYou just have 2 buffers instead of one
12:29:31JdGordon4 instead of two..
12:29:43JdGordonmight need to redo the whole loading code
12:30:06amiconnPaulJam: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux
12:30:37PaulJamJdGordon, amiconn: thank you
12:32:36*JdGordon does a svn revert and stars again
12:32:54amiconnJdGordon: Ah, yes, 4 for targets with remote lcd
12:33:40JdGordonthe viewer iconset has to have the same dimensions as the main icons, so can they be loaded onto the end of the main icons buffer?
12:34:36JdGordonthat qould simplify things a fair bit
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12:35:38amiconnPerhaps, but then load order becomes important
12:36:38amiconnHmm, it won't work for vertical-packed pixel format
12:37:42JdGordonok, scrapping that idea
12:37:52JdGordonwe'll just have to do it with 4 buffers
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12:59:37PaulJamwhich files are needed to run the simulator under windows? are the rockboxui.exe and the archos dir enough or do i need something else from the build directory?
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13:00:13JdGordonthats enough... unless you want to play music
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13:03:18PaulJamno, i just want to try to design some icons, and i prefer windows for that, because mspaint doesn't work good with wine
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13:06:49amiconnPaulJam: You need sdl.dll installed somewhere in your path, and if you want the sim background, you need UI256.bmp from the build dir
13:07:11amiconnMaybe that's required even when running without background - I usually don't do that
13:07:20bluebrothermspaint? Urgh. How about The Gimp?
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13:07:45amiconnbluebrother: Are you serious?
13:08:05amiconnGimp is the single graphics program I never managed to use
13:08:06bluebrotheryes. I used Gimp e.g. for the new jewels icons
13:08:31amiconnI can't even do the most simple things in gimp...
13:08:53PaulJami tried gimp once, but i didnt like it. mspaint is simple and easy to understand.
13:09:01bluebrotherit's quite easy once you recognized the idea behind the interface
13:09:30bluebrotherand the last releases improved the GUI for new users quite a bit
13:09:36amiconnI totally failed using gimp. It might be powerful, but the UI goes against anything intuition tells me
13:09:59*amiconn didn't even manage to load an image in gimp
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13:10:37bluebrotherI find it quite intuitive It's just different to about all other image programs
13:11:00bluebrotherI failed when I tried using Photoshop. In that terms that is not intuitive either ;-)
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13:12:32amiconnFor simple things I sometimes use mspaint, and for more serious things photoshop (elements) or corel photopaint
13:12:55amiconnphotopaint and photoshop are quite different in concepts, but they're both intuitive to me
13:13:33bluebrotherjust read a basic introduction and Gimp becomes intuitive in its own way too ;-)
13:13:43amiconnHaha
13:14:01bluebrotherdo I hear some frustration?
13:14:02*JdGordon got slightly further with gimp than amiconn, but couldnt do anything with the loaded image
13:14:39bluebrotherthe right mouse button is quite important
13:15:56*davina is slowly getting better with GIMP
13:16:01linuxstbamiconn: You pinged?
13:17:40davinahaving ditch WindowsXP for Ubuntu linux, I am determined to make things like GIMP work for me
13:17:41amiconnlinuxstb: Yes. Since we have mpegplayer for grayscale, we need the demo video in another resolution (or two): for mini
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13:18:03amiconnFollowing the multiple-of-16 rule, fullscreen would be 144x112
13:18:11SliMMwhat is the rockbox blue
13:18:21SliMM?
13:18:50bluebrotherrockbox blue?
13:18:57bluebrotherwhat are you taking about?
13:19:15SliMMthe default bg colour
13:19:31bluebrotherof the website?
13:19:35JdGordon(182, 198, 229)
13:19:38amiconnlinuxstb: Oh, and I tried current mpegplayer with the demos on H300 and X5. Performance leaves a lot to be desired :(
13:19:40*JdGordon had lcd.h open :p
13:19:41SliMMno, the os
13:19:50linuxstbamiconn: OK, I'll produce some later.
13:20:09bluebrotherthe os?
13:20:21*bluebrother doesn't have any color targets
13:20:27SliMMJdGordon, thanks
13:20:36linuxstbamiconn: Did you measure the unrestricted FPS?
13:20:39amiconn(all tests with frame skip and frame rate limiting enabled) H300 fullscreen ~6.5fps, H300 widescreen ~8fps, X5 fullscreen ~10fps, X5 widescreen ~18fps
13:20:43SliMMbluebrother: that's ok :P
13:21:06amiconnAnd except X5 widescreen it looks really jumpy as it seems mpegplayer skips whole gops
13:21:11bluebrotherbut that's the same values as the website uses (just checked the css)
13:22:08linuxstbamiconn: Those aren't realistic tests - mpegplayer need to decode all 24fps, it's just skipping the display. AFAIK, jhMikeS's changes only skip decoding of B-frames, and my encodes don't have any B frames.
13:22:26linuxstbSo the files should be encoded at far less - e.g. 12fps
13:22:58jhMikeSlinuxstb: no, it will skip I and P frames if desperately behind and just dropping frames in rendering can't keep up. There's no choice or you'll just fall behind.
13:23:16linuxstbYou would expect that to be happening on the H300?
13:23:55*davina is away: in the bath
13:25:47jhMikeSso, if you drop I or P in the decoder, nothing can be drawn again until the next I so that's it's last resort. Order: B->Render->P or I
13:26:17amiconnWithout frame skip, H300 fullscreen starts at around 10.5fps, then drops to ~9 with increasing complexity
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13:27:02linuxstbThat's good IMO - the original firmware only manages 10fps IIRC, and there is still a lot of optimisation possible on Coldfire.
13:27:16jhMikeSPossible, but sync in the short term is it's goal
13:28:18jhMikeSI have a video that can average the video framerate in the long term, but in the short term it must drop frames to keep synchronized
13:28:28amiconnWidescreen starts above 12fps, then drops to ~11
13:29:19amiconnFramerate varies a lot in "elephants dream" on coldfire - does this also happen on arm?
13:29:52linuxstbOne problem is that the valid mpeg framerates are 10, 12, 15, 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, and 30. So a big gap between 15 and 24 - which is probably where most targets lie.
13:30:12linuxstbI guess encoding with lots of B frames is the solution...
13:30:22linuxstbamiconn: Yes.
13:31:01linuxstbAlthough not on gigabeat - I think it can now play the full-screen version with no skipping.
13:33:16amiconnRegarding mpegplayer on coldfire, there is more optimisation potential on X5 (and M5) than on the irivers - more iram
13:33:28jhMikeSwell, that video I mention on the gigabeat keeps up with only b frames dropped. the best solutions are: faster decoder and B frames since they can just not be decoded arbitrarily and they also take a lot of CPU to decode
13:33:42preglowjhMikeS: mov %0, #0x60000000 is four bytes smaller than what you just commited :>
13:33:53preglowand two cycles faster
13:34:42jhMikeSpreglow: hmmm...this is true...hehe...that rotateable
13:35:14preglowindeedey
13:35:19jhMikeSgood spot...will tweak it up :)
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13:35:47JdGordonamiconn: how are we going to supply default icons for the viewers? just in the zip? or ...
13:36:06linuxstbIs anyone working on committing the libmad optimisations?
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13:37:31preglowi assumed amiconn was on it
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13:38:35amiconnpreglow: No I don't because of the iram issue
13:39:11preglowisn't libmad compiled seperately for mpegplayer now?
13:39:19*JdGordon has viewer icons working from a seperate buffer :)
13:39:21jhMikeSyup
13:39:37linuxstbYes, but we still need to decide which bits of libmad are least beneficial in IRAM...
13:39:39preglowbtw: before commiting, i would try to disable the new imdct on portalplayer and see if it has any impact
13:39:46amiconnIt is, but now someone needs to go thought libmad and make some iram assignments conditional...
13:40:04linuxstbIs the extra IRAM enabled for those targets with 128KB?
13:40:22linuxstbCould be useful to do that first.
13:40:23PaulJamJdGordon: is loadable icons patch supposed to take care of the linespacings, so the icons don't overlap when using small text?
13:40:44preglowno, it's not
13:41:07JdGordonPaulJam: no, the list is responsable for that... not icons
13:42:01amiconnlinuxstb: Only for MCF5250, i.e. X5 + M5
13:43:11amiconnBut on coldfire there is no iram issue in mpegplayer even with that patch applied...
13:43:37*jhMikeS has to implement a proper core lock and the processor IDs seem chosen to assist that
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13:46:19amiconnjhMikeS: Could you use the PP mailboxes for locking?
13:46:47jhMikeSMaybe but I don't think it's needed
13:46:56linuxstbamiconn: Do you know where the changes are needed? From what I can see, the IRAM size and location is only in the linker scripts - app.lds, boot.lds and plugin.lds.
13:47:45*jhMikeS wonders why the random channel swapping occurs in playback but not in the mpegplayer on sansa
13:49:00amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm, lemme check...
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13:51:58linuxstbjhMikeS: Have you looked inside libmpeg2 enough to see if just decoding the luma would be easy or hard? (for the greyscale targets)
13:51:58*JdGordon broke the list for charcells :'(
13:52:41PaulJamis there a way to revert to the default iconset without editing the configfile?
13:52:45jhMikeSI haven't looked at that yet but was going to. I was gonna give it going over for anything to cut decoding overhead or to customize it.
13:52:56JdGordonPaulJam: no
13:53:10PaulJamthanks
13:53:41amiconnlinuxstb: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=11482 and http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=11495
13:54:06jhMikeSI also have a video that starts in sync but snaps out a bit a few seconds in...I want to correct that bug cause it's buggin me that it's there.
13:54:20linuxstbamiconn: :) I would have made the same oops...
13:54:41amiconnHehe
13:54:44linuxstbSeems it should be done properly and moved to the config files...
13:55:20amiconnDon't forget to bump the api versions (including the minimum) when doing that move
13:55:34linuxstbA second oops...
13:56:00linuxstbAnd playback.c even uses different names...
13:56:02amiconnThe case of X5 was special because the core IRAM was decreased, so the old plugins and codecs could still work without interfering with the core
13:56:40SliMMapart otimisation, what should i do for my code to be included in the svn?
13:56:43amiconnBut if you increase both core and plugin iram to 64KB, the old plugin iram would partially overlap what now belongs to the core...
13:56:52SliMMapart from optimisation*
13:57:33linuxstbDoes config.h seem the best place for those definitions? Based on the target CPU defined in config-target.h
13:57:57amiconnThe cpu types will probably need a slight rework as well
13:58:09amiconnWe don't have PP5022 as a separate type yet
13:58:37linuxstbI was thinking about that as well... Nothing's straightforward.
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14:00:22amiconnNo, but hopefully we can make it more straightforward
14:00:47linuxstbAnd if we move the IRAM definitions, DRAM should probably be moved as well...
14:01:01amiconnThat's another reason why it's imho worth to keep support for old targets in the trunk - having more targets forces you to think about proper abstraction
14:01:19amiconn...and hence helps adding new targets
14:01:57TrueJournals_JdGordon: Should I try the version of loadable icons you just posted, and see if that works before posting my rockbox.map?
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14:02:22preglowlinuxstb: i refuse to believe decoding just luma should be hard
14:02:28preglowif so, the libmpeg2 coders have done a poor job
14:02:59preglowthe only thing differing from the way jpeg.c handles it, would be in motion compensation
14:03:06preglowafaik
14:03:17amiconnBtw, were there some thoughts about alternative (mpeg2) video decoders which might be faster?
14:03:45jhMikeSI'm sure our own would be :)
14:03:46preglowi think i heard some talk about the ffmpeg one
14:03:49amiconnThinking about the libflac -> ffmpegflac move for audio...
14:03:51PaulJamJdGordon: why have you changed the space between the icon and the text? with svn there are 3 pixels between text and icon in browser and menus, and with your patch ther are 2 pixels in menus and 1 pixel in the browser. (with default font and icons)
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14:04:58amiconnlibflac struggled like hell, and now flac is our fastest (compressed) audio codec...
14:07:26linuxstbI think mirak found a (quite old) comparison showing that (at least on x86), ffmpeg's mpeg2 decoder was significantly faster.
14:08:35linuxstbAlthough I remember the difference not being enough to motivate me to try and use it...
14:09:35linuxstbAlthough libflac is a difference case - it's a reference library, rather than something designed for speed.
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14:10:22amiconnI also wonder about the performance requirements of mpeg4 vs. mpeg2.
14:11:03amiconnOne should think mpeg2 is easier to decode because of less complexity, but then why do dap/pmp manufacturers often choose mpeg4 for video support?
14:11:14preglowpopularity?
14:11:24amiconnhmm?
14:11:37preglowmost videos you will find floating around already are mpeg4
14:11:42amiconnIn what way is mpeg4 more popular? All dvds out there are mpeg2...
14:11:47linuxstbI think one advantage of mpeg4 is more flexible framerates - which is useful on low-powered devices.
14:11:56jhMikeSthere seems to be junk in the decoder we can just strip away perhaps
14:12:06preglowamiconn: dvds aren't just files floating around, you have to rip them
14:12:10linuxstbIt's also marketed (rightly or wrongly) as being targeted for low-resolution and low bitrate...
14:12:34amiconnhmmmm
14:12:44jhMikeSpreglow: I've just copied VOB file off a DVD to my HD and played em
14:13:08linuxstbOr it's simply a case of "mpeg 4 is newer, so it must be better"
14:13:08amiconnDoesn't the of of the H300 or X5 (really don't remember) support mpeg4?
14:13:25jhMikeSx5 uses MPEG4 in OF yes
14:13:50linuxstbDo I remember correctly that it's 15fps?
14:13:55jhMikeS12
14:14:42linuxstbWhat can mpegplayer currently do with limit fps disabled?
14:15:22jhMikeSugh, we can strip out that CPU save state stuff
14:15:53amiconnjhMikeS: The manual says 15fps...
14:16:01jhMikeSI seemed to get around 12.5fps on elephants dream
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14:16:25amiconnXviD MPEG-4, CBR ~256 kbit/s, up to 160x128, 15fps
14:16:29linuxstbjhMikeS: That's with the sync turned off? i.e. not skipping anything?
14:16:38jhMikeSor wait, no that's sync on
14:16:48linuxstbThe wiki page says 18fps for 160x128 on the X5.
14:17:20linuxstbAnd that's without EMAC or IRAM for video decoding...
14:17:35amiconnJdGordon: Do you have an idea why hwcodec always jumps to the main menu instead of the set start screen when playback ends normally?
14:17:57*linuxstb afk
14:18:09jhMikeSI guess I can pull a quick check
14:18:45PaulJamJdGordon: an addition to my previos comment: the 1 pixel between icon and text in the browser is only with titles disabled. with title the spacing is 2 pixels like in the menus.
14:19:10jhMikeSsome parts are so light on decoding though that they really inflate the value
14:19:13preglowjhMikeS: doesn't just sounds like any dvd, then
14:19:39jhMikeSit was a commercial one
14:19:52amiconnlinuxstb: The 18fps were probably from before audio support
14:20:00preglowthen whatever player you used decrypted it for you
14:20:20jhMikeSprobably
14:20:53linuxstbamiconn: I don't think so, but it was before the overhead of proper framerate control and a/v sync.
14:20:56jhMikeSjust the CyberLink DVD drivers
14:21:19linuxstb(and before rebuffering)
14:21:33amiconnpreglow: Some comercial dvds aren't css "protected"
14:21:57jhMikeSI'm not sure framerate control and rebuffering are really much in the overhead equation
14:22:20linuxstbAnyone know the current unlimited fps on the X5?
14:22:36amiconnFullscreen?
14:22:38*jhMikeS is about to check
14:22:45jhMikeSwith current svn
14:22:50preglowamiconn: i know, i even have a couple, but they're usually pretty small scale releases
14:23:06linuxstbThe wiki says 18fps for fullscreen and 25fps for 16:9
14:23:09JdGordonamiconn: no, i guess there is a GO_TO_ROOT which isnt accessable to swcodec that is beign reached
14:23:17jhMikeSone was a Harry Potter movie and the other a Muppet flick
14:23:28preglowalmost certainly cssed
14:23:30JdGordonPaulJam: 1 pixel is enough... i can get it to 3 if nescaceru
14:24:18jhMikeSI am finding fewer Macrovisioned releases...even major ones
14:25:33amiconnlinuxstb: ~16fps X5 fullscreen
14:26:10linuxstbThat's still better than Cowon's mpeg4 decoder can manage then...
14:27:05jhMikeSperhaps but cowon's decoder is playing frames at an even rate
14:27:59linuxstbTrue. But our decoder is far from optimised.
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14:30:15jhMikeSthe real framerate should be considered to be the slowest short term rate actually
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14:30:56TrueJournalsOK, I'm currently compiling a new build to see if the latest loadable icons patch fixes the problems I was having
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14:31:38TrueJournalsI'm just curious what is meant by "you need to remove the viewer icons before loading the above iconsets"
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14:37:49PaulJamTrueJournals: i think it means, that you have to remove the last 14 icons form the custom bmp files that were posted earlier
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14:38:47TrueJournalsah... hmm... so if I want to test it, should I just try loading the default icon set?
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14:44:14jhMikeSlinuxstb: I hit about 17.5 average running it to the end...but audio stops early
14:47:01jhMikeSlinuxstb: should I start stripping unneeded code? :)
14:47:13PaulJamJdGordon: would it be possible to use the choosen foregroundcolour to draw the default icons? (for users who use a dark backgroundimage)
14:49:16amiconnThe icons will be treated as (transparent) images, so no, at least not yet
14:49:49amiconnIt might be possible to add this in a 100% transparent way later, when reworking the bitmap drawing
14:50:24TrueJournalsHmm... I just downloaded latest SVN, patched, and compiled, and it seems like there are no custom icons
14:50:28TrueJournalsUnfortunately, I have to go
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14:50:35amiconnThen the colour depth of the BMP would decide whether it's treated as mono bitmap, and hence drawn in the foreground colour, or as a transparent native bitmap
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14:51:30JdGordonamiconn: have you had a look at te latest version?
14:51:46SliMMwhere is the loadable icon patch, JdGordon?
14:52:03amiconnNo timea tm
14:52:04JdGordonfs 7013
14:52:12SliMMk, 10x
14:52:28*JdGordon hates the abrev. 10x and n8 :p
14:52:39JdGordonthey dont even bloody work!
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14:52:56aliaskWhat's n8?
14:53:11JdGordonnight!
14:53:22PaulJamn8 works in german
14:53:51aliaskHrm. Quite right... doesn't work :P
14:54:02SliMMJdGordon: sorry, i should get used to not using 10x anymore
14:54:08JdGordon:)
14:55:10JdGordonamiconn: on charcell, the cursor is always shows int he list right?
14:55:28JdGordonand there is no scrollbar?
14:55:43aliaskJdGordon: I had an idea for the icons, I think it should be possible for .rocks to have an icon by having the rock's name + .bmp in /rocks
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14:56:12JdGordonaliask: na, that gets too messy :p
14:56:14SliMMi'll ask again, what should i do for my opacity lib to be included in the svn (apart from optimistions)
14:56:14*JdGordon brb
14:56:20jhMikeSI want to just put everything in a single header and delete lots of files...we should just get rid of all the separate lib headers the libmad too
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14:58:49jhMikeSthe state_save stuff shouldn't be needed, right...not even on the sim I hope
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15:07:55PaulJamJdGordon: with the new patch, how do you select an iconset? the contextmenuentry seems to be gone.
15:08:17JdGordonyou have to use the config
15:08:25PaulJamok
15:08:25JdGordonicon set: and viewers icon set:
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15:09:00*aliask thinks rockbox needs a good "select file" interface
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15:10:37amiconnJdGordon: Yes, charcell has no scrollbar for obvious reasons, and also always uses the pointer list cursor because it cannot invert the line
15:10:56amiconnLooks a bit funny with those 2-line-selected lists...
15:11:14JdGordonyeah, so hardcoding the icon positions is ok?
15:11:28*JdGordon wonders why it thinks all file types are unknown :p
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15:16:24JdGordon:'( the stupid code is correct
15:16:32JdGordonjust the player is being stupid :'(
15:17:13JdGordonoh bloody hell :p
15:17:18JdGordonstupid copy+paste bug
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15:17:27asheshello
15:17:33amiconngtg
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15:19:14ashesi use my iriver with my home stereo. its not the best home stereo, but its not bad. so, im wondering what quality level i should use with ogg vorbis
15:19:28PaulJamJdGordon: is the iconheight now determined automatically? (sorry if i'm annoying you with so many questions)
15:19:36ashesthe same track is 1.9MB at quality 5, and 6.3MB at quality 10
15:19:41JdGordonyes, and your not :)
15:21:01PaulJamashes: you should encode some tracks at different quality levels and then decide yourself what is good for your ears
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15:21:11daurnimatorhey JdGordon
15:21:16JdGordonhey
15:21:25ashesusing quality 10 means that one day my iriver will be full. using quality 5 means i can fit over 3 times more tracks in it. what sort of hardware/speakers are needed to hear the affects of quality 5 or 10?
15:22:00daurnimatorashes: try it for yourself
15:22:20ashesalmost all my cds are vocal, so i think they need better quality encoding
15:23:35ashesif i understand correctly, something like Queen wouldn't benefit from higher quality than something like Bjrk
15:23:36JdGordonif they are vocal they dont need high quality at all..
15:23:40SliMMJdGordon: what if i want to make an icon for my php files?
15:23:55JdGordonSliMM: ?
15:24:02ashessomething like elvis wasn't recorded with very good quality to begin with
15:24:35SliMMJdGordon: can i just add the new icon at the bottom of the other icons?
15:25:25JdGordonSliMM: add it to the end of the bmp for the viewers, then add the .icons file, you also need to add php to viewers.config
15:25:29aliaskashes: But that quality degradation is different to the quality degradation of ogg compression, so it'll sound different.
15:25:52SliMMJdGordon: ok :)
15:26:28*SliMM will be back later
15:26:32ashesinstrumental needs higher quality than vocal?
15:26:45daurnimatorashes: yes
15:26:50daurnimatorvoice is easy to compress
15:28:12*dionoea wonders what php files would be used for on rockbox ...
15:28:12ashesflater sounds are easier to compress.. like elvis, compared to a piano?
15:28:25SliMMi have a problem lately with my ipod 30gb 5g
15:28:35JdGordondionoea: php hacking on the bus to work? :p
15:28:43SliMMfrom time to time, it re-commits the tagcache database
15:29:05SliMMdionea: it was just an example
15:29:12dionoea;)
15:29:18SliMMdionoea*
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15:31:24Rifti'am using rockbox on ipod nano, and i want t know if it's possible to view the tag of the files on playlist menu ?
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15:32:06lachlanRift: As opposed to file names?
15:32:20Riftyes
15:32:59SliMMwhich is better? mp3 or ogg?
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15:33:18lachlanIf you are using Database, then yes, you should see the tags
15:33:29lachlanSliMM: It depends
15:34:01SliMMlachlan: on what
15:34:05SliMM?
15:34:22lachlanSliMM: Ogg is supposedly superior in terms of quality to size ratio, however it is harder to decode (more battery drain on DAP's)
15:34:42dionoeathat would be vorbis
15:34:51SliMMi'll stick to mp3 then
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15:34:58Riftlachlan: i see "XJED" "PRFR"....
15:35:08moosMUSEPACK ! :)
15:35:31SliMMwhy does rockbox re-commit my database?
15:35:40lachlanRift: Thats odd. Have you initialised Database?
15:35:59Riftyes
15:36:02lachlanSliMM; What do you mean by 're-commit'?
15:36:06Rifti'am using database
15:36:57SliMMlachlan: from time to time, when starting rockbox, it says "commiting database/tagcache [x/8]"
15:37:05lachlanRift: I'd suggest you ask someone more knowledgeable than myself- Llorean would be an ideal choise if he were here
15:37:24Riftk
15:37:27Riftthx
15:37:45SliMMand i can only use the database for several minutes, after that the database becomes "not ready"
15:37:50lachlanSliMM? It actually says 'tagcache'. All references to tagcache should be gone from RB
15:38:32SliMMit doesn't say tagcahe, i didn't know whether it said database or tagcache, that's why the slash is there
15:39:39lachlanLinuxstb or midkay may be able to help you out, try asking them
15:40:29SliMMlachlan: ok. i don't use the database frequently, but i noticed that :)
15:40:50SliMManyone would find a periodic table plug-in useful?
15:41:16lachlanI think there already is one. Have you checked the tracker?
15:41:26aliaskSliMM: A what?
15:41:27SliMMno
15:41:46SliMMaliask: mendeleev's periodic table. chemistry
15:41:58*JdGordon shudders at the though of chemistry
15:42:10aliaskOh right... I was thinking like timetable for some reason...
15:42:32*aliask loved chemistry until this year
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15:42:43SliMMlachlan: there is none
15:42:55*SliMM didn't love chemistry until this year
15:43:57SliMMi'll use a vista-style semi-transparent window :)
15:44:18SliMMa cubis plugin needs more work, so i'll go for this one
15:44:26lachlanMake one if you want, I suppose. I can't really think of a practical use for it however.
15:44:56SliMMlachlan: io've got a point there
15:45:16SliMMyou* :*)
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15:51:00Riftlachlan: http://dayzof.info/index/DSCN3372.JPG it's wat i view
15:51:04Riftwhat
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15:53:32moosRift: do you wana see the tag of the playing track?
15:53:41lachlanRift: Did you add your music throuhg iTunes?
15:54:06lachlans/throuhg/through
15:54:13Rifti add the music with itunes
15:54:46moosno more need of this evil itunes
15:55:02Riftyes but i like the order of the music
15:55:14Riftordered by artist, album...
15:55:25moosif you are planing to use just rockbox, then just use our own database instead (far better)
15:55:37lachlanI would say that is where your problems are stemming from- iTunes renames all files to random crap lie the stuff you are seeing
15:55:40moosyou can with rockbox
15:55:57lachlans/lie/like
15:56:36moosRift: do you already tried the rockbox database yourself?
15:56:44PaulJamJdGordon: have you taken the default viewer icons out completely? when no custom iconset is loaded for example .jpg files don't have an icon anymore.
15:56:50Riftno
15:57:17moosRift: then just try it out, and see the difference with itunes ;)
15:58:04moosthat will get rid of itunes for you
15:58:17Rifti put the music on the disk ?
15:58:21Riftonly like that ?
15:58:24moosyeah directly
15:58:27Riftok
15:58:28moosdrag and drop
15:59:05JdGordonPaulJam: yes, we need to figure out how we are going to include them in the builds... probably as viewers.bmp in the zip
15:59:19PaulJamok
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16:00:03moosRift: you have to be aware that on rockbox, you can use a browser view (wiith directories and files...) or the database view fully custumizable
16:00:15*aliask just finished his last assignment!
16:00:42moosRift: then if you will want to use file browser, you may organize a bit your collection
16:01:01Riftha ok
16:01:20*JdGordon congrats aliask and realises how much work he should have done last week
16:01:25Rifti was thinking it's only possible to use the file browser
16:01:55moosboth are possible filebrowser or custumizable database browser
16:02:05Rifti like the database :)
16:02:22moosyou can read the manual for full infos
16:02:29aliaskTime to waste time making pretty icons and finishing that game.
16:02:29moosthen just use it instead
16:03:19moostime to go here :)
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16:04:07Riftok
16:04:09Riftit work
16:04:13Riftthanks
16:04:47moosnp
16:05:28PaulJamhmm. trying to rename a file in the simulator seems to cause a freeze.
16:06:27moosRift: enjoy with it, and check the tagnavi.config syntax if you want to cutomize the database browser
16:07:14mattzzHi, i submitted a patch to FS, regarding Sansa scroll wheel speed/sensitivity (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6996). Did somebody have the chance to look into it?
16:07:48Riftok
16:08:34lachlanaliask: what game are you working on?
16:08:51aliaskIt's a really old dos game, I'm making a rockbox clone
16:09:20aliaskhttp://www.prophecybbs.org/usrfiles/CDROM002/GAMES/SUPERDOM.ZIP
16:09:49Stalwartzomg, dos games
16:10:35Riftmoos: it's possible to boot apple os when i install rockbox bootloader ?
16:10:36Stalwartwhat's exact game?
16:10:38Stalwart*name?
16:10:46aliaskSuper Domination
16:10:56StalwartRick: yes, turn on and switch keylock immediately
16:11:08Stalwartmy fav. rockbox game is chopper
16:11:20Riftokok
16:11:38lachlanaliask: sounds cool
16:12:04aliaskI just know I'm going to hit a wall once I need to make AI.
16:14:05JdGordonsuper domination in google shows some intersting links :p
16:14:13lachlanGoogle isn't giving me any info on the game, what genre is it?
16:14:52*JdGordon wants a scroched earth clone
16:15:02lachlandrop the 'super' from the search if you want really interesting links
16:15:41lachlanWhile we are fantasising, a battle tanks kind of game would slay- especially with the click wheel
16:17:34JdGordonaliask: 20x16? some of us want text on the screen also! :p
16:17:42JdGordonbut they look shweet
16:17:50aliaskSorry, I was looking at gigabeat
16:17:59aliaskI guess for H300 it wouldn't be so good.
16:18:07aliaskAlso the tango Icons are 16x16 :P
16:18:09JdGordonor the poor sansa
16:18:28JdGordonI tihnk 12x12 and 12x16 for the h300 and sansa would be about as big as you would want
16:18:48aliasklachlan: It's a turn based strategy game
16:19:26aliaskWhy 12x16? 1:1 looks nicer imo. (those ratios were leftovers from charcell iirc)
16:20:32aliaskI'll take a stab at making some 12x12 ones (likely I'll just scale and cleanup the 16x16's)
16:20:45PaulJamaliask: why didn't you post the viewers iconset in your last comment too? (they can be loaded with "viewers iconset:" in the .cfg)
16:21:00aliaskOh... didn't realise that.
16:21:19JdGordonyeah, the viewers bmp can hold up to 32 icons,
16:21:24aliaskNice
16:21:51aliaskBut why do we have icons for files that already have icons (ie MP3 with vbrfix)
16:22:06JdGordonwhich can replace the built in filetype icons (diff icons for .mp3, flac, ogg :) ) so it needs a <iconset>.icons file to go with it
16:22:47JdGordonaliask: in viewers.config? thats so it can register it.. its actually pointless :p
16:23:37*JdGordon tries aliask's icons on the sansa
16:24:01JdGordonno /me doesnt... /me doesnt have a good theme to go wit the large font needed
16:25:01aliaskThere's only really one nice 16px font... jackash16
16:25:43lachlanaliask: cool, I love TBS. Good luck with the enemy AI
16:25:53aliaskThanks :)
16:26:23JdGordonaliask: these icons look great.. they arnt too big for the h300
16:26:37JdGordonthe plugins icon is a bit wierd.. but ok :p
16:27:57aliaskI originally had the game icon for it, but then I realised that it didn't fit all plugins...
16:28:06aliaskDo you think I should change the colour of the icon?
16:29:17JdGordonits not so much the colour... i dunno
16:29:23JdGordonits abstract :D
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16:30:08aliaskI agree it isn't the best, but I couldn't really decide on anything better from tango.
16:31:21JdGordonthese icons are gpl right?
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16:32:24aliaskUh, I think so.
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16:34:50aliaskhttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
16:35:08aliaskI don't know what implications that has on using them in rockbox.
16:35:52JdGordonas long as the CC license is gpl compatible they should be ok
16:40:36dionoeaby-sa/2.5 is GPL compatible in it's UK: scotland version. Some other versions are kind of unclear (so debian doesn't consider them as GPL compatible)
16:43:03aliaskGotta love legal ambiguity :(
16:43:57dionoea;)
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16:47:28SliMMdoes rockbox support 2bpp fonts?
16:47:53JdGordonno
16:47:56JdGordon1bpp only iirc
16:48:06*JdGordon making assumptions
16:48:33aliaskI believe you are correct.
16:50:52SliMMiir = ?
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16:51:24aliaskIf I recall correctly
16:51:29aliaskOr remember...
16:51:36SliMMoh :)
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17:00:57*JdGordon bored
17:03:25*daurnimator says something about a swap
17:05:07*JdGordon says something about it being 1am :p
17:05:51daurnimatoryou' still not asleep
17:06:01JdGordoni know... im not tired :'(
17:06:15JdGordonbut im going to bed anyway... gnite all
17:06:21aliaskugh i've been asleep at 3 last few days
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17:06:37aliaskdamn, i was about to ask him something.
17:08:07daurnimatorlol
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17:08:22daurnimatoralisk: what do you think of this australian devcon? ;)
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17:11:49aliaskand lots of it
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17:42:38toni1jhMikeS: you're there?
17:43:22toni1jhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6908 gives the answer to your question, why mpegplayer does no channel swapping
17:44:11pearldiveris anyone patching with loadable icons and new dict patches?
17:44:18toni1mpegplayer does yuv_blit without which in turn does not call cache_iflush()
17:44:32toni1-which
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17:59:03jhMikeStoni1: yes...I'll read that too, thanks
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18:01:06jhMikeStoni1: what does that have to do with swapping channels? the dropout problem seems to have disappeared as well since I can play my normal +200kbit mp3s without audio drops
18:01:41jhMikeSwoops he left...logged then :)
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18:31:01ColdSphinX^How can an initialised database affect scrollinglines in the menu, filewiev and databaseview?
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18:35:16toni1jhMikeS: Are dropouts really gone now? Which fix did the job?
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18:36:23toni1jhMikeS: This morning I did a fresh svn with frequency scaling enabled ... and still dropouts + channel swapping
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18:37:40toni1jhMikeS: So the basic problem to my understanding is still the cache_iflush(), which can be elimanated in two ways:
18:38:08toni1jhMikeS: (1) as proposed in patch #6908
18:38:30jhMikeStoni1: not sure actually
18:38:44toni1jhMikeS: (2) by writing lcd frame data to uncached memory (as dan_a proposed)
18:38:45jhMikeSit seems to come after the audio driver update
18:39:20jhMikeShmmm...I don't even know what's to worry about with that
18:39:26toni1when did you do that?
18:40:12jhMikeSrevision 13150...wasn't me
18:40:20toni1problem: while the flush is inprogress the fiq accesses memory (dram)
18:40:38toni1which can cause memory stalls
18:41:05toni1which leads to the audio dropouts + channel swapping
18:41:10jhMikeSso why even bother flushing lcd updated?
18:41:13jhMikeSupdates
18:41:29toni1?
18:42:17jhMikeSor you're saying in general having the two memory accesses isn't a problem...I thought it might be related to flushing the cache on every update
18:42:30jhMikeSis the problem
18:43:13toni1yes, while the flush is in progress, it seems it is very dangerous to do another dram memory access
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18:43:15jhMikeSany more progress on the emulator btw?
18:43:46toni1no, working on the real device is more fun :)
18:44:02jhMikeS:)
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18:44:55jhMikeSso just drop the flush or will parts of the screen be left not updated?
18:46:13toni1dropping the flush during audio playback does not create screen artifacts (to my experience)
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18:47:01toni1but meanwhile I prefer dan_a's solution: writing to uncached memory for the lcd frame
18:48:00toni1this wirks well by adding 64MB to the frame buffer address
18:48:07toni1works
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18:49:32toni1only problem: dma for some reasons seems to move the baseaddress ahead, which results in a vertically splitted screen display
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18:50:05Camjpncan someone help me out with a rockbox problem?
18:50:30toni1Camjpn: shoot
18:50:45Camjpnok,
18:50:56Camjpnwell i just loaded Rockbox onto my Gigabeat F20
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18:51:05Camjpnand i wantt o sync
18:51:26jhMikeSI've seen it appear rotated vertically a few times, yes
18:51:28d03boydoes anyone have a sansa e200? I am trying to figure out how I can automatically remove songs from my player which I remove from a playlist. at the current time it does not check for this
18:51:32Camjpnwith mediamonkey, but it wont let me because mediamonkey just detects it as a hard drive and not a mp3 player
18:52:36toni1Canlpn: sorry, I have no idea with F20 and mediamonkey
18:52:44jhMikeSI think using cached memory gets the screen writes done a little sooner though
18:52:50Camjpno ok
18:53:08Camjpnhas anyone else had problems with mediamonkey using any mp3 playeR?
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18:53:32jhMikeSframebuffer writes...or whatever you want to call them :)
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18:54:08SliMMi don't like patching, so when will JdGordon's icon thing will be commited?
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18:55:16bernie_can anyone tell me how to get album art to show up on my gigabeat?
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18:55:56SliMMbernie_ do you have the album art patch?
18:57:02SliMMoh, he left
18:57:08toni1jhMikeS: But the overall performance should not change by using uncached memory, right?
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18:58:47jhMikeSI don't know. A test would tell...it seems like the write behind is just a few pixels looking at the old mpegplayer screen garbage.
18:59:21toni1ok
18:59:24Camjpnhey ihave a question
18:59:40Camjpnthis might be the problem to the F20?
18:59:49Camjpneverytime i connect it says picture,
18:59:57Camjpnlike show, add, etc
19:00
19:00:09Camjpnhow would i make it say like MP3 device
19:00:51SliMMCamjpn: i didn't really understaind you
19:01:07Camjpnyea ^^
19:01:18Camjpnok, well in windows, when u connect a USB device,
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19:01:34SliMMyes
19:01:42Camjpnit pops up a window saying
19:01:43SliMMwhat is your problem?
19:01:55jhMikeSit's just that it can get done and start executing code again around 32 bytes sooner or so (it looks like).
19:01:57Camjpnwell, i cannot sync my F20 with mediamonkey
19:02:07Camjpnor WMP
19:02:20Camjpnbecause they dont detect it as a mp3 device
19:02:49SliMMsince i don't know what mediamonkey is, i don't know how to help you
19:03:05Camjpno well, it cant sync with WMP
19:03:11Camjpnso could u help me with that?
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19:03:18SliMMbut you shoud be able to see your mp3player as a drive
19:03:30Camjpnyea its I drive
19:03:32Camjpnyes..
19:03:48SliMMand just drag>drop music however you want
19:04:02Camjpno thats wut u do with rockbox?
19:04:08Camjpnso u cannot sync with WMP or anything?
19:04:23SliMMyes, just like other memory stick or storing device
19:04:32Camjpno ok
19:04:35SliMMand you can vrowse the files on your mp3player
19:04:41SliMMbrowse*
19:04:52Camjpnwhat about playlist, like i have a playlist made already? is there someway i can move it to
19:04:56Camjpnthe drive?
19:05:26SliMMwell, playlists are text files
19:05:43toni1jhMikeS: this maybe also related to the issue with the reported e280 screen problems in the forum (top most one or two lines show garbage)
19:05:50SliMMyou coud open up notepad and do some find and replace
19:06:08Camjpno ok
19:06:09Camjpnthanks
19:06:12Camjpn=)
19:06:19SliMMsupposing you keep the same folder structure on your mp3 playes as in your computer
19:06:24SliMMor a similar one
19:06:44SliMMdo you know anything about relative paths?
19:06:56Camjpnuh no
19:06:57Camjpn:D
19:07:33SliMMthen just put your playlist in a folder called "Playlists" on your mp3player
19:08:12SliMMand use '../' before the path to the mp3 file, when find&replacing
19:08:36Camjpno ok
19:08:54SliMMif your file is in x:\music\x.mp3, in your playlist it should look like ../music/x.mp3
19:09:24SliMMuse slashes (/) instead of backslashes (\)
19:09:24Camjpnhmm
19:09:25Camjpnok
19:09:30Camjpnk
19:09:34SliMMbut you can create playlists in rockbox
19:10:26SliMMpress the select button (for 1-2 sec) > playlist catalog > add to [new] playlist
19:10:40jhMikeShmmm...I'd think the continued activity on the CPU would finish the writes...can't say I see garbage on any lines anymore
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19:11:12SliMMpress the select button while the cursor is over the music file you want to add in the playlist
19:12:48toni1during playback it is ok, but simply scrolling lines without playback shows the effect
19:12:53SliMMwhat do you think of some meta tags for the rockbox site
19:12:55SliMM?
19:13:09SliMMSEO is pretty good
19:13:29Camjpnok thanks
19:14:14SliMMcamjpn: that's ok
19:14:33Camjpnok so i have one last question =D
19:14:40SliMMplease
19:14:41Camjpnhow do i load on WPS or themes?
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19:14:53Camjpnlike i found one−−zune one
19:14:56Camjpni liked it
19:15:02Camjpnso how would i load this on?
19:15:30SliMMwell, what is in the zip file? a .rockbox folder or not?
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19:16:09Camjpnuh one sec
19:16:58SliMMif it's a .rockbox folder, extract it to the root of your device (directly on the drive, x:\)
19:17:20SliMMif not, extract it's contents to x:\.rockbox\
19:17:39SliMMby 'it' i mead the archive
19:17:43SliMMmean*
19:18:22Camjpnok
19:18:24Camjpnthanks
19:18:40Camjpnand then once i disconnect, go to the themes, choose it
19:18:42Camjpnand it should work?
19:18:47SliMMi suppose you know how to apply it
19:18:55SliMMyes
19:19:42SliMMcamjpn: wait several days, colour icons are almost in rockbox :)
19:20:14Camjpnok so how do i apply it T_T
19:20:22Camjpni just extracted it
19:20:27Camjpninto the
19:20:32Camjpn.rockbox file folder
19:20:54SliMMwhat was the content of your archive again?
19:20:55SliMM:D
19:21:03Camjpnwait wut T_T
19:21:09Camjpnit didnt have a .rockbox folder
19:21:17Camjpnso i extracted it to the rockbox one
19:21:19Camjpnlike u said?
19:21:26Camjpnso now wut should i do?
19:21:40SliMMthen it probably told you that the folders alrady existed, right?
19:22:01Camjpnhmm no
19:22:05Camjpnit just extracted to it
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19:22:24Hilikushey guys
19:22:33Camjpnhey
19:22:34SliMMok, please tell me the folders that were in the archive :D
19:22:44Camjpnthat were in the zune zip folder?
19:22:53SliMMyes
19:23:03Camjpnbackdrops
19:23:07Camjpnfonts
19:23:08Camjpnthemese
19:23:09Camjpnwps
19:23:29SliMMperfect
19:23:35Camjpnok ?
19:23:38Camjpnso i just extracted it
19:23:46Camjpnto the .rockbox folder, it went where is supposed to T_T
19:23:51Camjpnso should i try it out now?
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19:23:54SliMMyes
19:24:10Camjpno wow
19:24:12Camjpn=D
19:24:15Camjpnbeautiful!
19:24:15CamjpnXD
19:24:17Hilikusquick question, im plannig on setting up a development station here, ive looked at a lot of compiling tutorials for rockbox and all of them say you need either vmware or cygwin, i hate emulators, i want to do it in a real linux box but i havent found any tutorials about it, is it not possible to do it in true linux? is there a reason why it HAS TO be in vmware or cygwin?
19:24:26pearldiverColdSphinX^ here?
19:24:31InsectoidTrue Linux is just dandy.
19:24:44Camjpnhey, but now for the album art, i got this marajuana leaf T_T
19:25:08SliMMyou need a special rockbox build
19:25:23Camjpnok well, now how do i load up some album art =D
19:25:28SliMMbut you're better off without the album art
19:25:39Camjpnwell, i dont want to look like a stoner T_T
19:25:47SliMMyou find a build with album art in the forums
19:25:48Camjpnall the songs have a marajuana leaf as the album art
19:25:56SliMMthat's the first step
19:26:24SliMMthen, you just have to make album art for every album
19:26:32Hilikusso can i not do it with linux or what?
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19:26:33Camjpn-.-
19:26:41Camjpnwow thats a lot of work!
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19:27:08SliMMa .bmp (i think) file, named after the album name, filename or named "cover.bmp"
19:27:16Camjpnok so i alraedy have all the album art
19:27:19SliMMbut it isn't worth all that work
19:27:23Camjpnso can u explain this uploading thing
19:27:23Camjpn?
19:27:30Camjpnor how to put it on?
19:27:37markunWe'll probably have proper album art after the summer
19:27:40SliMMhilikus: you have to install linux first
19:27:45markunjust wait until then and ejoy your music
19:27:48Hilikusi have linux already
19:27:49markunenjoy even
19:27:59Camjpno ook
19:28:02Hilikusthats why i want to use it instead of cygwidn
19:28:07Camjpnbut can i get rid of the default album art?
19:28:09SliMMgood
19:28:15Camjpnits just 1 picture?
19:28:20Camjpnand i can see it in the folder WPS
19:28:24Camjpndo i just delete that?
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19:28:49SliMMcamjpn, edit the images in .rockbos/wps/zune however you want
19:28:59Camjpno cool
19:29:06InsectoidHilikus: Just check out the source from svn, run the script as root um... rockboxdev.sh methinks from tools, then mkdir build from the rockbox dir, cd do that, ../tools/configure and make
19:29:20Insectoidto, not do
19:29:22SliMMhilikus, there should be a script somewhere to install all the tools needed for compiling
19:29:24Hilikusoh gruat
19:29:32Hilikusthanks guys
19:29:44Camjpnok
19:29:59Camjpnnow i have all this music? but i would like to put it into seperate folders by Artist?
19:30:03SliMMhilikus: after that, you can find all the help you need in the wiki
19:30:07Camjpndo i just do this in the Music folder of .Rockbox?
19:30:10Hilikusexcellent
19:30:13SliMMi think that that script is in the wiki too
19:30:51SliMMcamjpn: don't put it in the rockbox folder
19:30:53InsectoidCamjpn: Try musicbrainz: musicbrainz.org
19:31:01InsectoidIt will sort your music.
19:31:03pearldiverwould love to see this one committed:
19:31:04pearldiverhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6697
19:31:17Camjpno ok
19:31:23SliMMcamjpn: you can have any folder structure you want, but the .rockbox folder isn't fit for music
19:31:43Camjpnyea yea, i noticed =D
19:31:51Camjpnthanks, u guys helping me out alot
19:32:20SliMMcamjpn: just think of yourfiles on mp3 player like on any other computer
19:32:33Camjpnyea
19:32:39Camjpnok so this musicbrainz?
19:32:43Camjpni just download and run it?
19:33:26Hilikusis the contacts plugin commited to the main distribution line yet?
19:33:45SliMMhilikus: i don't think so
19:33:57Hilikusok, so ill have to compile that too
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19:35:00SliMMhilikus: yes. you can try out my opacity functions if you are willing to write plugins. leave feedback
19:35:14SliMM:d
19:35:16SliMM:D
19:35:27Hilikuslas question, can you customize the menu orders in rockbox, so that you put the items that you use the most up in the list and stuff like that?
19:35:37SliMMCamjpn: that is for aranging your music :)
19:35:46Camjpnhuh T_T
19:35:46Hilikusi am planning on writing plugins, where can i find your functions
19:35:51Camjpnim running it rite now
19:35:57Camjpnin the music folder?
19:35:58SliMMyes, you can, but i don't know how
19:36:02Camjpnof the Gigabeat
19:36:07SliMMcamjpn :dunno
19:36:13Camjpnlol
19:36:16Camjpnhope it works
19:36:17CamjpnxD
19:36:54SliMMhilikus: in the apps folder somewhere
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19:38:46SliMMhilikus: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7022
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20:08:03PaulJamJdGordon if you read the logs: it just came to my mind, that it is propably not such a good idea, that the height of the icons is detected automatically (assuming the height is determined by dividing the height of the bitmap by the number of icons)
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20:12:58PaulJamJdGordon: if new icons get added, with autodetection of the height, the old custom icons wouldn't work correctly anymore. If the height is determined by for example the filename (like someone else suggested) it would propably be possible to just not show that particular icon which is not present in the bitmap.
20:13:50Nico_PPaulJam: have you seen this : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6949#comment14443 ?
20:16:57PaulJamNico_P: yes, and i told Slasheri i dont think that it is neccessary to have my realname in the credits, because the patch is mainly copy and paste (from the %rr tag)
20:19:38Nico_PPaulJam: what did he say ?
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20:20:27Nico_Pcrap I'm already late... bye
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20:22:38PaulJamNico_P: 21.28.03 # <Slasheri> PaulJam: if you really think you want to remain uncredited, i think that is then ok. But i have no idea why anyone would ever want that
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20:26:26pearldiverso whats gonna happen with the viewer icons?
20:29:21PaulJamthey will propably added to the zip as .bmp file
20:32:52pearldiverah
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20:42:09BiptoNhey there, if i were to remove the usb code in the config file for my ipod video, would it leave the usb chip off or asleep?
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21:06:35*preglow gets mail from google
21:07:41linuxstbInteresting email?
21:07:57*petur checks his mailbox
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21:12:19preglownah, just a notice i've been added to the mentor's list, apparently
21:13:01*petur throws another interesting gsoc link in the channel: http://googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com/
21:14:06*scorche thought people knew about that
21:14:14linuxstbNever assume...
21:14:16peturah well
21:14:30*scorche shrugs
21:14:36*linuxstb hadn't seen it, but hasn't been looking...
21:15:03*scorche communicated all relevant info to people anyway
21:15:45peturdo we need a second communication channel, like a subforum for gsoc stuff?
21:16:25linuxstbNo, I don't think we want to separate soc from the rest of Rockbox
21:16:34scorchewell, part of GSoC is to learn how the community functions and use their communication methods and such, so i wouldnt say so
21:17:19linuxstbAnyone thought about SVN access for the students?
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21:17:45peturaustiancoder and nico_p already have
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21:18:53preglowhaha
21:18:56preglowconvenient
21:19:04linuxstbI think the others should probably get access the same way anyone else does - i.e. after other people get fed up of committing their patches...
21:19:15peturlol
21:19:28scorchefor those that dont, they should use the patch tracker and....ermmm..../me sees linuxstb's line
21:21:55preglowlinuxstb: i think i agree
21:22:32preglowwe really shouldn't treat gsoc students any different than we do with new people
21:22:34peturdesowin: are you TwilightSymph?
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21:24:03ashesdoes a voice like Bjrk's fall into the same ogg vorbis quality as Elvis's voice?
21:24:48*petur thinks Bjrks voice is way better :)
21:24:48pregloweh
21:25:02ashesits not the same spectrum
21:25:05BiptoNlinuxstb: if you disable the usbtg in the config file for ipodvideo will it leave the chip asleep?
21:25:24ashesElvis's voice should be easier to encode, because there are fewer extremes
21:25:26desowinpetur: yes
21:26:57peturdesowin: you have one of the largest personal texts on last.fm that I have seen up to now ;)
21:27:02linuxstbBiptoN: I don't know. AFAIK, the Rockbox driver puts the chip to sleep, so I don't know what happens when that code isn't run.
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21:28:12ashesim using -q5 for everything old, like bobby darin and queen and richie havens, and -q8 for Bjrk. but im wondering if i should bump Bjrk to -q10
21:28:22BiptoNjust curious if I could get rid of it and have longer battery life
21:29:48linuxstbBiptoN: Try it and let us know...
21:30:15BiptoNit won't compile when i comment out that option
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21:30:27BiptoNit also won't compile when i leave out the tagcache now also
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22:17:49secleinteerhi, does anyone know where i can download the alternate rockbox bootloader (that boots the default firmware first)?
22:19:08Bagdernot from any rockbox official place
22:19:41peturok if I close this one? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6947
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22:22:28scorcheBiptoN: what about leaving out tagcache?
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22:25:54BiptoNwhen i comment it out it won't build
22:25:57BiptoNgives me an error
22:27:20scorchehmph...
22:27:29*scorche plans out a bit of checking
22:29:41BiptoNit gives me an error when i comment out usbotg also
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22:31:49davinawith the new RTC tokens in place, how easy would it be to make some of them conditional. such as %cw, it returns a value 0 to 6 where 0 is equivalent to Sunday and 6 Saturday. On it's own this value isnt very useable, but as a conditional such as %?cw<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE|%xdF|%xdG> it would be some much more useful
22:32:58midgeypetur: i think that can be closed
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22:40:20peturmust be saturday evening
22:40:41davinayou are correct in that assumption
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23:18:35job_anyone here?
23:19:03peturnope
23:20:15job_hey
23:21:35job_you wouldn't happen to know anything about the mp3 encoder chip (MAS3587F) would you?
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23:21:54petursorry
23:23:16job_yeah no problem, I've been trying to talk to the manufacture but they're being elusive...
23:26:13jhMikeSThe datasheet is available so what's the problem? I don't really know much about it though.
23:31:27job_I have the datasheet, I can't get the chip to power up consistently. I think it may be a problem with how I'm doing the power-on reset but the datasheet has about two sentences on it.
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23:32:19jhMikeSah, amiconn would probably be your man to talk to on this one
23:33:42linuxstb_Have you looked at the Rockbox source?
23:37:00job_yeah the reset code looks similar to mine. Do you know how I could get ahold of amiconn? or would the forums and mailinglist be the best option?
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23:37:26peturamiconn is online here a lot
23:37:28linuxstb_Here's here often, so your best option is to just wait until he reads the logs
23:37:59linuxstb_LinusN is probably worth asking as well if he appears.
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23:43:16job_cool, thanks.
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23:48:34rifthi
23:49:19rifti want to take screen of rockbox like that http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano
23:49:29riftanybody know ?
23:49:56LloreanTurn on the screen capture option in the Debug menu. Then, every time you plug in USB it'll take a screendump.
23:50:04LloreanTurn it off when you're ready to use USB like normal again
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23:50:18riftok
23:50:20riftthx

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